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I didn't accuse you of lying, I accused you of being intellectually dishonest, aka mouthing off about shit you have no idea about (you know, that thing you just did, again). But to be fair here, I did a bad job of describing my story. When I said my "personal circumstances" I meant my career choice. So when I shared that my therapist told me "you're unusual, you're a _ but you're in touch with your feelings", it was a flex but it was also self-deprecating because my therapist called me unusual a…
/r/PurplePillDebate19/02/26 01:52 PM
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For me to find my soulmate as soon as possible, it would be optimal to go on dates whenever I have the time to do so. It would be nice if the apps allowed for that, but they don't. That's all I'm saying. All this "women are resources and the apps are doordash" crap is you shadowboxing against shit I didn't say The apps are not doordash for dates so you can't just set up a bio and expect some constant, reliable and consistent stream of dates on a timeline that you determine. They are exactly that…
/r/PurplePillDebate16/02/26 01:34 PM
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The guy I'm replying to said "rejection is fine as long as you can still find someone who likes you in a reasonable timeframe." I replied that it is generally not possible to find dates in a reasonable timeframe as a man on OLD. Spare me your rant please, you're reading meaning into my comment that isn't there So have you done everything that you could be doing to be appealing to a woman who is discerning? I'm sorry, what? Has anyone ever done literally everything they could be doing to be appea…
/r/PurplePillDebate16/02/26 12:58 AM
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No no no we're not doing this lmao, it doesn't seem better. It is better, objectively. It was exhausting but you could've stopped and paused your profile at any time if you would've rather had no matches
/r/PurplePillDebate16/02/26 12:46 AM
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No, it's from a customer service outsourcing company that's completely unaffiliated with hinge. Tell me how you know that anything on that page isn't made up.
/r/PurplePillDebate15/02/26 03:34 PM
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Ok well where did the 60/40 number come from then? Show me the source. Where did "helplama" get it from?
/r/PurplePillDebate15/02/26 03:20 PM
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as long as you can make your way towards a chick that actually likes you within some reasonable timeframe Well yeah, that's every man's problem with OLD - we aren't getting dates frequently enough
/r/PurplePillDebate15/02/26 03:03 PM
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FALSE Its a little bit more men like 60-40, but most time people use the Data from tinder USA with the worst gender Ration. I don't think "helplama" is legit dude. It looks AI generated and there's no source given for any of the data
/r/PurplePillDebate15/02/26 03:01 PM
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Took 2 years of frustration and probably 8 dates to meet my partner. 2 years and 8 dates to meet your husband? That's it?? Wow, so it really is that easy for women but there had to be physical attraction. Why wouldn’t there be Yeah, I'm with you there. I really should've phrased my title and post better. This is my question: Let's say you've got 10 matches. You've swiped right on all of them, so they all pass the looks threshold, but some are more attractive than others. All of them messaged you…
/r/PurplePillDebate15/02/26 02:29 PM
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Why is this a niche thing? Shouldn't everyone be doing this?
/r/PurplePillDebate15/02/26 02:23 PM
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Do you assume all the good looking women on apps are vapid and thus, do not swipe on them or try to connect with them? If their profile is empty/basic and their photos look like everyone else's photos, then yeah. So not all, but most. We don’t know if the good looking guy is vapid If his profile is empty then we can safely assume he is. And the hot empty profile guys are outperforming regular guys with full profiles by orders of magnitude. So, if women claim to be filtering by personality, they'…
/r/PurplePillDebate15/02/26 02:19 PM
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They opened with deep messages and we skipped the small talk and got straight into deep things How did you decide which of the messages to respond to? Was it based on the profile or the content of the message, or both?
/r/PurplePillDebate15/02/26 02:12 PM
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There was no way to keep up, even though I’m extremely picky. In my holidays I had to make my phone block access to the apps otherwise it would become my more than fulltime job You know you could've just paused your account, right? Every app has a "pause my account" button that keeps your profile from being shown to new people. You could've done that every time you felt like you had enough matches and didn't want any more. I had about 50 matches a day, 5 superlikes, and hundreds of likes ...you …
/r/PurplePillDebate15/02/26 02:02 PM
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Fair enough
/r/PurplePillDebate14/02/26 08:47 PM
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Is it a looks thing mostly?
/r/PurplePillDebate14/02/26 08:42 PM
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Why was it near impossible?
/r/PurplePillDebate14/02/26 08:42 PM
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Why would you match in the first place if you're not that into him? Isn't that the type of thing that men do that women are always complaining about?
/r/PurplePillDebate14/02/26 08:35 PM
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So if a guy asks you a thoughtful question about something in your profile, you respond 100% of the time?
/r/PurplePillDebate14/02/26 08:31 PM
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Of the profiles you match with, what determines which ones you respond to?
/r/PurplePillDebate14/02/26 08:19 PM
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What is true is that men get a higher rate of responses and dates if they are more physically attractive, regardless of the quality of their messages. And let's not forget that this is true even after matching, meaning that meeting the initial looks threshold is not the issue here. This seems like a massive unforced error on the part of women.
/r/PurplePillDebate14/02/26 07:57 PM
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Companies absolutely do make shitty products so that people will have to buy more of them. It's called planned obsolescence. It happens with phones, clothes, furniture ... Planned obsolescence doesn't really apply here. If relationships are the product in this analogy, Match Group doesn't make money off the product itself, it makes money off the service that delivers you the product. It's not the same as Apple selling you an iPhone that's gonna break in a year. It would be more like if Apple pro…
/r/PurplePillDebate14/02/26 07:44 PM
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Yeah that's what I would expect most women to do if they're looking for a serious partner. Curious, what percentage of guys do you think have those kinds of photos? Another commenter brought up an interesting point; that the algorithm might be actively hiding guys with those photos in order to keep you frustrated.
/r/PurplePillDebate14/02/26 06:44 PM
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Are these things you see commonly??
/r/PurplePillDebate14/02/26 06:00 PM
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Has there ever been any dating app with a majority of women? Or any dating market, ever, including in person ones?
/r/PurplePillDebate14/02/26 05:03 PM
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but that’s not really women’s fault is it? No, it's not. But if you care about the common good then it's in all of our best interest to be transparent about what makes these profiles hopeless. So, what does a hopeless profile look like in your opinion? Is it just when the guy is ugly or is it usually something fixable?
/r/PurplePillDebate14/02/26 04:59 PM
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You are advocating for more women to go on dates with more men who the women are indifferent to to give the guy a chance I think what would satisfy everyone is if women went on more dates with men to give the guy a chance if and only if he actually has a chance. Like, don't go on a date with someone you know you're not attracted to just in case attraction magically develops out of thin air. But at the same time, if there's a guy who seems cute enough who sent you a thoughtful opening message, ma…
/r/PurplePillDebate14/02/26 04:54 PM
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The dating app on the other hand stops making money if all of its users end up in happy long-term relationships This is a common truism about online dating that gets repeated a lot that I don't think is true. Lots of businesses sell goods and services that you're only meant to use a few times in your life, and they still make a profit. Do realtors sell you busted houses so that you're incentivized to buy another house? Do car companies sell you shitty cars so you're incentivized to buy another c…
/r/PurplePillDebate14/02/26 04:34 PM
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We prefer well enough photos that aren't like glamor shots. Just like regular pics. One picture maybe with friends as long as its not the first picture Okay, so if you limit yourself exclusively to the guys who only have those kinds of pics, do you still feel like it's hard to sift through and see personality? If so why?
/r/PurplePillDebate14/02/26 03:57 PM
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What do you mean specifically by "bad pictures"?
/r/PurplePillDebate14/02/26 03:39 PM
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I mean the texts is how you would find out if he’s boring right? Based on your own logic in which it’s possible to tell someone’s personality based on texting on a dating app. Texting is good for gauging some personality traits but not others. For example, if someone makes lots of spelling errors, they probably don't have much attention to detail. However, if someone is reserved over text, it could be because they genuinely have nothing to say, or they could just be nervous. Changing this up and…
/r/PurplePillDebate14/02/26 03:38 PM
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They often do stupid pictures to make them look hot etc, but its often stuff men find "attractive" in other men Seems like that would be a trivially easy thing to filter out. Like, just swipe left on the men who do that and you've solved that problem, no? Women do not like that. What photos do women prefer? And what's stopping you from only swiping on the men who have that kind of photo?
/r/PurplePillDebate14/02/26 03:27 PM
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Which surveys? Got links?
/r/PurplePillDebate14/02/26 03:24 PM
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Right, but attraction is less likely to develop on an awkward first date with the pressure of knowing it’s a date and not just a friendly hangout ...I thought women hate when guys "ruin friendships"? So if they dislike boring guys, they should try dating boring guys? What better personality traits do you suggest women should filter for? Again, when I say "boring", I mean boring during the first few texts. If filtering for guys who are really charming in the first few texts leads to a lot of guys…
/r/PurplePillDebate14/02/26 03:21 PM
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I see. Well it seems like the bullets are dodging themselves, at least. Now the follow-up question: do you think it's possible that you might have mistakenly swiped left on some men that might have fit your criteria, but just had unflattering photos or something? And if so, have you been doing anything to try to not make that mistake again in the future?
/r/PurplePillDebate14/02/26 03:19 PM
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Look how many men lose money to sports betting apps, buying Trump bibles, falling for conspiracies Yeah and it's mostly their fault for being so stupid and gullible. The difference is, they're perfectly happy with the results of their actions.
/r/PurplePillDebate14/02/26 03:17 PM
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Sometimes they were just wanking talking to you and disappear as soon as they’ve cum ...what kind of conversations are you having with these men?? Are you talking them off? 😂 Sometimes it becomes apparent they’re hiding something like they are married Interesting, what made them seem like good guys in the first place?
/r/PurplePillDebate14/02/26 03:05 PM
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I mean, lots of men just don't take photos of each other/themselves. So for a lot of single men, when it comes time to choose their 6 best photos, they're naturally not all gonna be perfect. I don't personally think that's a red flag, it could mean they're more focused on living life than they are with taking photos of themselves living life. But to each their own.
/r/PurplePillDebate14/02/26 03:01 PM
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The whole problem with dating apps is that the context does not allow for attraction to happen over time in a natural context as it often does for women Right. That's what going on dates is for. The apps aren't for developing attraction. They're for setting up dates. Also, it sounds like you are contradicting yourself. You say that women should filter for personality more, but then say that if a person is boring (bad personality trait) over text, she should not filter him out and give him a chan…
/r/PurplePillDebate14/02/26 02:55 PM
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Well I disagree that there's no way to filter for that, I think that's what texting is for. But it sounds like it's not worth the trouble to you, in which case, it makes complete sense to me that you wouldn't bother. Thanks for answering!
/r/PurplePillDebate14/02/26 02:52 PM
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Fair enough. This is a hard one to answer, but do you think it's possible that you might have mistakenly swiped left on some men that might have fit your criteria, but just had unflattering photos or something? And if so, have you been doing anything to try to not make that mistake again in the future?
/r/PurplePillDebate14/02/26 02:45 PM
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Thank you for this!
/r/PurplePillDebate14/02/26 02:42 PM
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The intermediate step before giving up on apps entirely would be something like "use apps, but do more than I've previously been doing to filter for personality rather than looks". Even texting is not enough Interesting. Do you think this is constrained by the number of messages you get to exchange before meeting up? Is there a hypothetical length of time where you could text someone enough to get a good enough read on their personality? Also what about video calling?
/r/PurplePillDebate14/02/26 02:41 PM
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Despite all of this, the self-professed “good guys” I’m left with frequently are still time wasters, mess you around, or come out with some atrocious views. Interesting. I have a lot of questions if you don't mind, this is the exact perspective I was hoping to hear more from. For starters, what do you mean by "time wasters"? And looking back, do you think there were any signs in their profile/conversations that in hindsight could have revealed their negative personality traits?
/r/PurplePillDebate14/02/26 02:38 PM
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I was thinking more like, are you finding what you're looking for? Something like 80% of women who use dating apps are dissatisfied with their experience with them, would you count yourself as one of them?
/r/PurplePillDebate14/02/26 02:35 PM
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Dating profiles are very photo-focused with a few sentences of text which are definitely not enough to know if you would vibe with a person Right, but that's what texting is for, isn't it? You can ask whatever questions you like, and the guys on apps are so desperate that they really have no choice but to answer. And women DO change their strategy. They leave dating apps Surely there's an intermediate step between "use dating apps and only date the hottest guys" and "don't use dating apps at all…
/r/PurplePillDebate14/02/26 02:32 PM
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I see. How's it working for you?
/r/PurplePillDebate14/02/26 02:25 PM
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Women: You have physical power over us. In order for us to be equals in this relationship, I need your word that you will not use it. Men: I had no desire of doing that to begin with, and you have my word that I will not. versus Men: You have the power of leverage over me in that you can replace me more easily than I can replace you. In order for us to be equals in this relationship, I need your word that you will not use it. Women: Actually we don't have more power at all because vetting is har…
/r/PurplePillDebate13/02/26 04:58 PM
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Aww you’re super sweet. It’s just that Reddit fatigues me after I respond for a while. I don’t know how you do it! Thank you :) the answer is I take breaks! I treat it like email rather than instant messaging. So is this us asking the MEN why they are struggling? Or are we asking the women why the men are struggling? Let's assume we're asking the women, because I agree that the men probably have no clue. And with the dating apps ratio being so lopsided and men swiping on every woman to increase …
/r/PurplePillDebate12/02/26 04:35 PM
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Take your time and respond to everything if you want to, I'm not going anywhere. Or don't, it's up to you. Are you telling me you cannot think of reasons outside of looks that would make a man not a a good candidate to date? Of course not, I could name 100 reasons too. That's not what I'm saying though. What I'm saying is, if you were to survey all the guys who are struggling to date right now and find the reasons they're struggling - not the reasons women give when they reject them, but the act…
/r/PurplePillDebate12/02/26 03:55 PM
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What is the actual power we are talking about here? Because the only power I see women having here is the power of choice The power to walk away from the table is the most important kind of power in relationships. Imagine how job hunting would be if you could ask for any salary you want and if the employer says no they're not gonna get another interviewer for a year, that's basically the kind of power women have in dating. The argument men always want to pose is that the options women have are g…
/r/PurplePillDebate12/02/26 01:58 PM
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What you're saying here makes sense to me. You don't want a guy who takes one look at you and thinks "eh, not worth the trouble" and leaves you alone. You also don't want a guy who wants you so badly that he'll keep pursuing you long after you've said no. What you do want is the middle ground - a guy who wants you badly enough that he'll sacrifice his pride temporarily, but will still take no for an answer. However, what you're describing is a power imbalance - you know, the thing this thread is…
/r/PurplePillDebate12/02/26 01:26 PM
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The siren effect doesn't mean "if I see a pretty girl I'm gonna absolutely lose all control of myself", It means "if I see a pretty girl then I'm going to want to be with her badly enough that I'll be willing to do things I normally wouldn't." Like, you know, making the first move on a woman even when you know damn well you're gonna get painfully rejected. If most of the time, you are going to end off worse than you started, then asking women out is simply not a rational move, and women deciding…
/r/PurplePillDebate11/02/26 09:32 PM
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Women are not actively pursuing a situation in which they have this siren effect on men This is a gross misunderstanding of how dating works. Women's dating strategy boils down to "put myself in the proximity of men and let them make a move on me." Not only are they pursuing situations where they have this siren effect, they're banking their entire dating life on it.
/r/PurplePillDebate11/02/26 08:51 PM
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Caring about someone means being willing to make your mood a little worse so that you can help make their mood a lot better "Yeah so I've just had a really bad day and it's stressing me o-" "The fuck are you killing the vibe for bro?? Quit pissing in my cheerios! Control your emotions, you moody teenager!" There is a line to be drawn about not dumping your problems on other people, sure. But if you draw that line at "it is perfectly reasonable for women to expect men to hide all negative emotion…
/r/PurplePillDebate11/02/26 08:11 PM
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If a necessary part of being "confident and fun" is stuffing all your negative emotions down where no one can see them and not talking about things that bother you then it was never good to begin with
/r/PurplePillDebate11/02/26 07:24 PM
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It doesn’t feel like a power imbalance to have so many options because that is an illusion If you want to prove that point, you will need to provide evidence that women's options are worse than men's options. As it stands, you have not done that. My inbox is not full of men, it’s empty and im a thin average looking woman Okay, download a dating app. Boom, inbox full of men. we are compared to the lives of insta super models or mini influencers and it’s uncomfortably unrealistic No, we're compari…
/r/PurplePillDebate11/02/26 06:02 PM
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Okay, now imagine you can test berries' safety before you eat them, but it takes some time per berry, and that this is just something everybody does when they eat berries, regardless of how full their bowl is. And when you point that out, half of the people with full bowls will deny that it's possible at all, and the other half silently moves the goalposts to "but testing them is hard! I want a berry now!" All while you're sitting there hungry, staring down at your empty bowl and wishing you had…
/r/PurplePillDebate11/02/26 04:29 PM
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They provide strangers If dating apps provide unlimited strangers, and some of those strangers are safe options, then dating apps provide unlimited safe options. All you need to do is to have the competence to find them. Behaviour does not reveal itself without in person interaction ...so interact with them in person then??? You know, like a date? The thing dating apps are meant for setting up?? And you never know how someone will react to rejection, boundaries, or disappointment until you are a…
/r/PurplePillDebate11/02/26 03:50 PM
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unlimited safe options You have this thanks to dating apps. assumes women have perfect information You have the option to have perfect information. If behavior reveals itself over time, all you need to do is take more time. Whatever bullshit you want to put men through to vet them, you will find some sucker who has the patience for it. It's a statistical guarantee thanks to the aforementioned unlimited options.
/r/PurplePillDebate11/02/26 02:44 PM
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I think, in love, the healthy state is thinking your partner is the greatest of them all Yes, but the point is you should actually think this. As opposed to just lying to them about it. I would rather be single than be with someone who thinks I'm second best but hides it from me.
/r/PurplePillDebate11/02/26 01:55 PM
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Things that do come to mind were people like Hugh Hefner and the play bunnies existing as being what I saw a lot of men view as a sort of a pinnacle of achievement. There was no sexual repression being shown there I think that this is more of an example of the right to express your sexuality without repression being something a man earns through achievement rather than an innate right he is born with.
/r/PurplePillDebate08/02/26 02:13 PM
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Women have different criteria for getting aroused If testosterone doesn't explain this, then what does? Higher estrogen levels?
/r/PurplePillDebate08/02/26 01:42 PM
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Men often kind of just forget the existence of women they're not attracted to I'm not forgetting, I'm knowingly leaving them out because as far as I know, they're all doing better than I am. Did the men who complain about it try everything they could? Of course they didn't! What makes you say that? What stones do you think they're leaving unturned?
/r/PurplePillDebate07/02/26 04:37 PM
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Actually, people who spew this kind of shit are quite obvious about it. They think they're being discrete by claiming it's an "online" persona but it absolutely leaks out. Again - are you speaking from experience here? Do you know people in real life whose online personas leaked out into their irl mannerisms? Or are you just assuming? Because if you are just assuming, I agree a little bit. There are some red/blackpilled people who can barely contain their anger when they talk about dating online…
/r/PurplePillDebate07/02/26 04:14 PM
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Did you actually try all the appropriate channels to find it? If not, is it really fair to say you wanted it badly? I suppose the women who other men don't want just aren't on your radar either Well, every woman I've met who claims men "don't want" her does actually have men who want her but just rejects them for various personal reasons. But you're right, it was hyperbolic of me to claim that "not a single one" exists when I can't disprove that they exist but just aren't on my radar. That being…
/r/PurplePillDebate07/02/26 03:31 PM
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When you make that insecurity your whole identity? A lot, actually. Okay well good thing nobody does that. Even incels who go on incel forums are only incels when they're on the forums. If you actually think people's online debating personas are accurate representations of their entire identities I suggest you spend less time online. Looks aren't some objective thing that can be studied and analyzed in charts and graphs. They're subjective The degree to which looks are subjective vs. objective i…
/r/PurplePillDebate07/02/26 01:24 AM
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Forgot to ask, what's with people thinking interracial couples are some sort of fetish instead of you know, just two people attracted to each other Well, I don't think it's anything more than that except when people tell me it is. As a blue eyed white man myself, I've had WOC express attraction to me not because they like my eyes but because they want blue eyed babies - of course I tell them to fuck off every time because I'm not gonna take a 50% chance of my kid's mom wishing they came out diff…
/r/PurplePillDebate06/02/26 02:20 PM
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Right, but when you talk about not wanting to have kids with someone "who looks like your brother", I assume that category includes all blond people regardless of how different their other genes are, and does not include any nonwhite people even if they look like the Arab/Latino version of your brother.
/r/PurplePillDebate06/02/26 01:50 PM
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Genetics are never predictable, though. You're always gonna be surprised. You'll never be able to know what your child's facial features, height, etc. will be. The only question is will the skin/eye/hair color be a surprise as well. I guess that's what rubs me the wrong way, the elevation of those three traits as being a more exciting surprise than the rest of the human genome.
/r/PurplePillDebate06/02/26 01:07 PM
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What I would find boring would be having kids with someone who looks like they could be my brother I really don't see how this could be true without some level of "some ways my kid could come out looking are better than others" being present at the root of it
/r/PurplePillDebate06/02/26 12:32 PM
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Because it's not about the sex, it's about feeling like you're one of the cool kids What's wrong with wanting to feel special? And this whole "genetic elite" commentary is just blackpilled tripe Blackpilled? Sure. Tripe? Disagree. Tons of ugly, fat, weird people have casual sex all the time. Including in the college party scene. This is just reality Ugly, fat, weird men? Never met any or seen this reflected in statistics. and never receive serious offers of credible sex See this is where I disag…
/r/PurplePillDebate06/02/26 12:19 PM
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I definitely don't get the impression that you're fetishizing anyone's features, but I have to say, parents treating their kids' phenotypes like a form of entertainment leaves a bad taste in my mouth. That seems like the kind of thing that would lead to insecurity for the kid, i.e. "mom thinks I'm boring because I came out looking the same as all my siblings"
/r/PurplePillDebate06/02/26 11:50 AM
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The obsession with "raw" attraction is because many dudes drawn to the redpill missed out on teenage love, casual sex, sloppy college hookups, wild parties, and early sex in dating. Alright, I don't think anyone else is gonna be brave enough to admit this, but yeah this is true in my case. However, I don't agree that it's about a fictionalized version of "what other men got." I think it's about what the person I'm dating got. Let's say that all that stuff is something that was reserved for the g…
/r/PurplePillDebate06/02/26 11:28 AM
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I don't have the background to fully answer your question but I do want to share a study that I think you'll find relevant. Blue-eyed men evolved a preference for blue-eyed women, because it makes it easier to ensure paternity (i.e. if the kid comes out with eyes that aren't blue, it's not yours). Could that have happened in the last 10,000 years? I have no idea.
/r/PurplePillDebate06/02/26 10:52 AM
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Men string women along A LOT Curious what your evidence is for that
/r/PurplePillDebate06/02/26 10:41 AM
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if she is sexually satisfying her current bf Well, I can only answer this from my perspective. But if I know that there's some standard which she's comparing me to and I'm falling short of, and there's nothing I can do about it, then sex will not be satisfying to me. And you might be thinking, "wait, but it was the same sex you were having before, wasn't it? It was satisfying to you then, but it isn't satisfying to you now?" Yup. Men do in fact care about the emotional side of sex too, believe i…
/r/PurplePillDebate03/02/26 03:20 PM
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she was super in love with her ex She wasn't "super in love" with her ex. She was more physically attracted to him. She didn't love him at all. Why are you misrepresenting her? Do you even notice yourself doing it? Does her being super into her ex actually matter Yes. This woman just ruined her relationship with her current boyfriend for no reason For him, it wasn't "for no reason". It was for a reason. Finding out that your partner settled for you physically *is useful information*. If you look…
/r/PurplePillDebate03/02/26 01:24 PM
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Interesting hypothesis, got any evidence?
/r/PurplePillDebate03/02/26 01:05 PM
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NO woman is telling men “hey I had insatiable lust for the last guy but not you" Here's a thread where that exact thing happened It would be ridiculous for a woman to show her hand like that even if she did feel this way Well, if she did feel that, I would want her to "show her hand" (absolutely deranged way to phrase "being honest with your partner" btw) as soon as possible so I can leave her. If she doesn't want to do that, then I need to figure it out through other means.
/r/PurplePillDebate03/02/26 01:04 PM
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None mocked, none ran off, none used it against me What??? Cannot relate at all
/r/PurplePillDebate03/02/26 01:30 AM
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Sure, but "incel" only had that meaning among a subset of the incel community. People associate the word with whatever context they first heard it. If you were in the incel community, it means "involuntarily celibate" to you. If you were in the incel discourse community, it means "person who self-identifies as an incel" to you. If you only found out about it from the news, it means "online loner misogynist who might go on a killing spree" to you. And obviously because the majority of people fall…
/r/PurplePillDebate02/02/26 08:06 PM
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Well another problem is that you can't objectively prove someone is undateable. So calling someone undateable is inherently a statement of belief, and saying "I don't believe that anybody could ever date you" is always gonna come off as an insult We need a better word is what I'm saying. Something that says "you're not undateable per se but I get why someone like you would be struggling"
/r/PurplePillDebate02/02/26 07:27 PM
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I used to help my ex separate her laundry before she put it in the dryer. It started as her handing me clothes but as she started to take my help more for granted she would just shove piles of wet clothes in my arms without asking first or at least being gentle about it. Despite me voluntarily agreeing to it, the way she went about it made me feel taken advantage of, and I definitely get why the bag carrying example made OP feel similarly. That being said, obviously the solution is a conversatio…
/r/PurplePillDebate02/02/26 07:10 PM
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This is fascinating and it really gets down to the way in which some people have completely different assumptions about how the way a relationship is supposed to work fundamentally. You've given me a great tool to evaluate compatibility with another person, which would be asking (or asking probing questions to try and find out) which of these two dating philosophies she subscribes to: This whole thing comes down to different dating philosophies. Some people believe patience through early imbalan…
/r/PurplePillDebate02/02/26 04:53 PM
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Okay I spent a lot of time trying to digest this and I think I get what you're saying. So basically, if you want a woman to feel sexual desire, she needs to first like you (initial relational attraction), then she needs to feel an emotional connection with you (relational affective attraction), then you need to get her in the mood via foreplay. Is that right? If so, I don't get it. Where's the step where she decides whether she's physically attracted to the guy? Like, you're not denying that phy…
/r/PurplePillDebate02/02/26 02:15 PM
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Well, lucky him I guess.
/r/PurplePillDebate02/02/26 04:21 AM
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Awww that's really sweet, and a great way to make someone feel special and desired while avoiding comparison. I'm stealing this one and I hope I find someone who will tell me this someday
/r/PurplePillDebate02/02/26 04:20 AM
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He didn't have to do anything, or say anything profound: just listened attentively and took her seriously. Anyone could do that Disagree. Listening - really listening - is hard, and most people are shit at it. Try actually listening to someone so well they start glowing without your heart being in it and you'll see for yourself how hard it is to fake. Because it's not just about the nonverbals (which are extremely easy to fake, we've all been doing it since grade school), it's about giving a res…
/r/PurplePillDebate02/02/26 04:18 AM
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How do you know you're not even worse?
/r/PurplePillDebate02/02/26 02:52 AM
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...what?
/r/PurplePillDebate02/02/26 02:24 AM
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Desire is treated like something that should appear, not something two people grow together This seems like an issue of semantics. Yes, desire is something you have to continue to work on in a relationship. But also, at its core, there should be some form of desire that's innate, no? Something that does in fact just "appear". It's the foundation of desire - it takes more than that to build a relationship, but you can't have one without it either. Because if desire worked the way you seem to be s…
/r/PurplePillDebate01/02/26 09:13 PM
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Huh I've never had anyone tell me I shouldn't have been born before, that's a new one. Seems like kind of an overreaction to this post but thanks for sharing 👍
/r/PurplePillDebate01/02/26 09:09 PM
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Right, but it's only "new" because the internet allows us to find out what women say when we're not around. Women have always settled down with guys who they don't enjoy sex with as much as they did with their exes, it's just that men in the past were able to live in blissful ignorance and now the veil has been lifted.
/r/PurplePillDebate01/02/26 08:50 PM
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This stuff is being messaged to them, and the exact level of truth to it remains unclear When was it ever not being messaged? Is growing up envious of the attention girls give to more attractive guys not a universal experience?
/r/PurplePillDebate01/02/26 07:28 PM
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If the woman isn't not doing things with her BF that he knows she has done before somehow Okay well what if there is stuff she's done with past guys but refuses to do with you? Because whenever this issue is brought up, it seems like it's pretty evenly divided along gender lines - women think it's perfectly reasonable while men think it's a breakup worthy offense. On that note, it stands to reason that if a woman did something with an ex that she doesn't want to do with you, she'll just hide it …
/r/PurplePillDebate01/02/26 07:12 PM
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What I meant with the conscious vs. unconscious distinction was less about a physical response and more about emotional expression. For example, saying "I love you" is a conscious expression where as the way I look at my partner while I think they're not looking is an unconscious one. The latter seems like an inherently more honest signal than the former. I know it's very difficult to understand. Sounds pretty understandable to me. Sometimes I get horny randomly and sometimes jacking off scratch…
/r/PurplePillDebate01/02/26 06:57 PM
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Hmm, interesting answer. You definitely hit the nail on the head that I've never really felt pursued by a woman and if I did I would feel like I'm walking on sunshine. That being said texts first and consistently, shows them off on social media, plans and pays for dates, gives little gifts, and is generally bountiful in admiration both publicly and privately None of that sounds hard to fake to me. If my livelihood depended on all this I could fake it easily
/r/PurplePillDebate01/02/26 05:58 PM
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A therapist is way more helpful than a partner for overcoming that kind of irrational thought pattern. Have you ever actually been to therapy for this kind of thing before? Because one of the things they tell you for challenging cognitive distortions is to look at the objective evidence. This isn't me trying to avoid doing the work, it is the work. They are a ton of work. You would never do it other than for its own sake Exactly. Being in a relationship with someone is a costly and hard to fake …
/r/PurplePillDebate01/02/26 05:04 PM
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how does she look at you when you look her in the eyes? what’s her body language like? is she focused on you or is she distracted by her phone or something? does she say anything positive about your appearance? is she hesitant to touch you? Thanks, this is what I was looking for. Although none of this seems hard to fake. If I wanted to convince a girl I was attracted to her I could fake all those things easily. but you’ll never know how you stack up to the last guy she was with, which is your or…
/r/PurplePillDebate01/02/26 04:17 PM
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bro being solicited by a hooker is not the fucking same as having a woman meet you for a first date Ah but I never said she was a hooker, did I? You assumed that. Why? Because whether you admit it to yourself or not, you do in fact have the same mindset I do. You know that there are women out there are who are out to take advantage of you and you know the signs to look for. The only places we might disagree are how many women exist that are like that, the lengths that they'll go to deceive you, …
/r/PurplePillDebate01/02/26 03:44 PM
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I think if you're going into the first date not worried if she's using you then you're in the wrong mindset. That's the kind of mindset that's gonna get you taken advantage of. Think about it this way, if I'm walking down the street at night and a pretty girl calls out to me "hey handsome, wanna have a good time tonight" then should I take her at her word that she thinks I'm handsome and wants to have a good time with me tonight? Or should I correctly assume that she wants something from me and …
/r/PurplePillDebate01/02/26 03:05 PM
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This is fascinating, thanks for the explanation. And thanks for being patient even if it seems like I'm being dense on purpose, I promise I'm trying my best to understand and not waste your time. So the conclusion is the exact opposite of what you're understanding: in women, what they consciously express is more informative than physiological signals, not less. That seems very counterintuitive to me. How could conscious expression ever be more informative than unconscious/subconscious expression…
/r/PurplePillDebate01/02/26 02:55 PM
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Fair enough i went on a date with a (hopefully) pretty girl, and it the worst it’s a nice little ego boost I found this interesting. Why would going on a date with a pretty girl be an ego boost? She could be using you.
/r/PurplePillDebate01/02/26 02:13 PM
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This kind of paranoia, living as it does inside the man's brain, can only be addressed by the man Yes, but it's the kind of thing that help from a partner will go a long way with. Dating someone is, on its own, a costly, hard to fake signal I don't think it's costly or hard to fake, and what is it even a signal of? The idea that someone would date someone else for resources, when it's so much easier to go get a job and get the resources yourself, is sort of batty Huh? If you're a woman and you m…
/r/PurplePillDebate01/02/26 01:56 PM
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men would come out of sex all starry eyed from my exercising some basic skills What does that say about the average straight woman's skill and enthusiasm in bed lmao
/r/PurplePillDebate01/02/26 01:49 PM
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time spent thinking about how she treated the last dude is better spent figuring out if she’s really into you Are those not the same thing? Isn't figuring out how she treats you compared to other guys a pretty good way of measuring how into you she is?
/r/PurplePillDebate01/02/26 01:47 PM
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I majored in electrical engineering so no, I did not have a mixed gender group of friends in college lmao In high school, it was more like the girls and hot guys in the group were "figuring out dating and sex" and the rest of us were just cracking jokes Still I really don't believe that there are a lot of guys who have women friends they could ask "so just checking in - are you actually attracted to your boyfriend?" and expect an honest answer from
/r/PurplePillDebate01/02/26 01:43 PM
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This is a great comment because it illustrates that academic learning about women's sexuality doesn't actually help me, as a man, navigate sexual relationships with women. All I really took away from this study was this sentence: There is a discrepancy between what women say they feel and what they actually feel If this is true, why would I trust anything my partner says on the subject of her attraction to me? Or at all for that matter? Now we're back at my original question. Our attraction to m…
/r/PurplePillDebate01/02/26 01:33 PM
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Any evidence I have for that is anecdotal Cool! I don't care then :) it sounds like we run in different circles Yeah apparently I run in very different circles than the people in this thread?? The amount of you who've tried to say "ummmm you've never talked to a woman, have you??" as if I regularly talk about sex and blowjobs with my female friends is staggering
/r/PurplePillDebate01/02/26 01:20 PM
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https://www.scientificamerican.com/article/universal-desire-men-and-women-respond-identically-to-erotic-images/
/r/PurplePillDebate01/02/26 01:09 PM
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To put it more crassly, with all the people out there who are enthusiastically giving head, why stress over someone who won’t if that’s important to you? People are entitled to their preferences. I don't buy that there are a lot of straight women out there enthusiastically giving head and I'd like to see some data if you're going to claim there are. I think realistically speaking my dating pool is small enough if I hold out for a woman who enjoys giving me head I'm going to die alone.
/r/PurplePillDebate01/02/26 04:56 AM
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why does it make you a "complete fucking piece of shit" that you don't want to be with someone that's depressed That's only a small part of what OP said someone who is struggling or has previously had serious issues with depression usually make bad partners That's not stating a preference. That's a statement of fact. Aren't you the guy who's writing a book? Maybe a better place to start would be learning how to read? And also this post is ableist to the point of being absolutely ghoulish. Listin…
/r/PurplePillDebate01/02/26 12:49 AM
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I love the occasional thread that's just like "being a complete fucking piece of shit is an unpopular position that's frequently overlooked!"
/r/PurplePillDebate31/01/26 11:03 PM
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Yup it's like when they ask you to pick a restaurant to eat at "I'm hungry, can you get us pizza" "Ok how about the place down the street" "No not that one" "Ok which one then" "A pizza place!!! What's so hard to understand about that??" Women have no understanding of what they want and expect everyone else to figure it out for them while also maintaining that they have no expectations at all, tale as old as time
/r/PurplePillDebate31/01/26 03:41 PM
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It's fine if you want to have high standards but you don't get to say shit like "the bar is on the floor" when the bar is in fact very high
/r/PurplePillDebate31/01/26 01:39 PM
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36 dates a year and she couldn't find anyone?? She must be a fucking dumbass lmao
/r/PurplePillDebate29/01/26 02:29 PM
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If you are getting matches on dating apps, you are good enough. If you are not getting matches on dating apps, you are not good enough. It's as simple as that. Everything else is just cope stop men from treating themselves like damaged goods because they can’t attract women in a system stacked with endless options This is what I'm saying is irrelevant. It's irrelevant that women have endless options. It's irrelevant that sometimes good men fail. The only thing that's relevant is that some men su…
/r/PurplePillDebate29/01/26 02:27 PM
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Then for my wife I met her at an escape room Curious how did that work? Don't people typically go to escape rooms with groups and only talk to people within the group?
/r/PurplePillDebate29/01/26 02:21 PM
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85%of men make 100k or less you can't be a man with this salary Sometimes I feel bad about being single, but when I remember that not a cent of my 6 figure salary is going towards gold diggers like you, it makes me happy ☺️
/r/PurplePillDebate29/01/26 02:18 PM
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I don't think you get what I'm saying. Regardless of how many options women have, most men are doing fine. If you are not one of those men, you are not good enough. Everything else you said is irrelevant.
/r/PurplePillDebate29/01/26 01:26 PM
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We didn't create it. Men created it. Yes, men who were the ones who wrote the code. But the features were chosen by women. They were created for you which is kind of the same as designing it yourself. fundamentally less compatible with the (significantly less visual) way women/anyone with less testosterone experiences sexual attraction I genuinely do not understand how you can say with a straight face that women are less visual after seeing how you guys choose men on dating apps. In this very th…
/r/PurplePillDebate29/01/26 01:36 AM
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And some men stick out through the noise and some don't. And the ones who do are the ones who measure up to a checklist of attractive traits. Like, let's not kid ourselves here. If I was taller I'd get more attention. If I had a better face I'd get more attention. Those things are the problem. How does any of what you're saying change anything?
/r/PurplePillDebate29/01/26 12:47 AM
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Wow, speechless. As a finasteridecel you have my full sympathy as well 🫡🫡🫡
/r/PurplePillDebate29/01/26 12:24 AM
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Thanks. You say you used to be invisible - curious what changed?
/r/PurplePillDebate29/01/26 12:21 AM
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Why do you put "unwanted" in quotes?
/r/PurplePillDebate29/01/26 12:08 AM
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A date per month and you're complaining??? I just want you to know that you are to me what women are to you. We are not the same.
/r/PurplePillDebate29/01/26 12:07 AM
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Like, to verify their net worth? Or just to prevent bots?
/r/PurplePillDebate28/01/26 11:47 PM
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Wouldn't that increase the number of men who give you unwanted attention in public?
/r/PurplePillDebate28/01/26 11:22 PM
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We get fewer matches, so realistically speaking that's not the case.
/r/PurplePillDebate28/01/26 11:01 PM
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I mean, isn't it kind of telling that giving women the maximum amount of freedom to choose their partners leaves men bitter and angry?
/r/PurplePillDebate28/01/26 10:56 PM
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Yup, 10% is pretty significant, and I've seen much higher numbers in other studies. How does that tell you anything about the percentage of people who use OLD to hook up?
/r/PurplePillDebate28/01/26 10:37 PM
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I was looking at the same study lol. It shows that the percentage of people who use the apps for long term relationships is about 40% while the percentage who use the apps for casual sex is much lower. What statistic in particular did you mean?
/r/PurplePillDebate28/01/26 10:34 PM
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The majority of people who meet online through apps just hookup Do you have a source for this?
/r/PurplePillDebate28/01/26 10:30 PM
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I'd make some kind of filter that doesn't allow basic-ass, no effort dm's I would love this!! I feel like it would be too easy to outsmart though haha. This is the kind of thing AI could actually be useful for
/r/PurplePillDebate28/01/26 10:25 PM
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They will always be hookup apps in reality Except a significant amount of couples actually do meet on there, possibly even the majority They are designed to maximize profit which means making men pay to match Shouldn't this lead to a more positive experience for women?
/r/PurplePillDebate28/01/26 10:23 PM
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Tinder, bumble off the top of my head. If your theory is "too many guys sending dick pics", you'd be correct.
/r/PurplePillDebate28/01/26 10:21 PM
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That's a really interesting idea. Maybe a BeReal type thing where you get a random notification to take a picture so you get less of a chance to construct an image.
/r/PurplePillDebate28/01/26 10:20 PM
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my reply would be that quality stuff will get spread through word of mouth I say this with love - that is laughably naive. You know word of mouth is how Andrew Tate got famous, right? Is his stuff quality? No, what spreads through word of mouth has nothing to do with quality. But if you're really so confident in your advice that you're willing to trust the invisible hand of the free marketplace of ideas, good luck with that homie. sheer quality, as in it will literally be an actual book of who k…
/r/PurplePillDebate28/01/26 08:59 PM
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I am also not a house builder but I can tell if a house is REALLY fucked up. If I can't tell, it's not outlandishly bad. Ok but would you be able to tell a 5/10 house from a 4/10 house? Because that's the level of expertise you would need to make the claim you were originally making. There is no "evidence" for most parts of most dating books, other than going out and witnessing it work in real life. Yes, but those books are written by people with actual qualifications. People who've studied dati…
/r/PurplePillDebate28/01/26 08:18 PM
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I'm asking you to consider whether what I said was logical and decide based on that. I can't link you to an official study that focused on increasing men's SMV. Ok, well if you don't have any evidence then I don't think that claim should go in your book. Instead it's always a memorable event when I see someone THAT ugly. I don't see how your opinion on men's looks is relevant, seeing as you're not a woman and you don't date men. if you implement everything you will have consistently more success…
/r/PurplePillDebate28/01/26 07:38 PM
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You are allowed to do things outside what the majority does. I do not recommend dating apps. Ok well I do not recommend your book Then yeah I'm sure you can be at least as good looking as the average man in summary So you literally are asking me to just trust you But that's not the vast majority of men. There is no way you actually have evidence for that. 2 and 3 are just subjective categories that you made up Remember that the average man does not workout And like you said, the average man stil…
/r/PurplePillDebate28/01/26 05:17 PM
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I mean, you shouldn't claim things you don't have evidence for, right? Surely we agree on that at least?? Like if you don't even know how many "good men" there are then you don't get to say that there aren't enough of them. if your feelings got hurt it's not my problem Hahahaha weirdly defensive way to start but sure I'll answer your questions Would you consider yourself "good" in dating? Yes Like do you treat women as a decent human being I think so? My women friends seem to think so as well Do…
/r/PurplePillDebate28/01/26 05:00 PM
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None, that's why I have a problem with you making that statement in the first place when you seem to know perfectly well you can't prove it. That's what you asked, remember? Although I suppose if you wanted to you could try and prove #3 using a survey of men's attitudes on sexism.
/r/PurplePillDebate28/01/26 04:45 PM
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I would need the following: A specific definition of what a "good" man is Evidence that X% of women agree on that definition Evidence that Y% of men do not fit that definition (where Y is any number greater than X)
/r/PurplePillDebate28/01/26 04:40 PM
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I think all of this stuff is pretty good advice except for this bullet point: Don't fall into the "only looks matter" mindset. None of what you said contradicts the "only looks matter" mindset On dating apps looks reign supreme And dating apps are the way the majority of couples meet so not really off to a great start here 95% of men can reach a 5/10 look at a minimum through non-surgical means, most can be a 6 or a 7 (after years of hard work yes, nobody said it would be easy) Source: "just tru…
/r/PurplePillDebate28/01/26 04:37 PM
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There isn't enough good men out there, why do you have an issue with a statement Not OP but I have an issue with that statement because it seems very unlikely that you have any evidence for it
/r/PurplePillDebate28/01/26 04:20 PM
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You want this to be women's fault so bad even though there's literally no proof that women were behind this or are the ones responding more positively to the billboard
/r/PurplePillDebate27/01/26 01:00 PM
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I don't appreciate the Luigi slander
/r/PurplePillDebate27/01/26 12:53 PM
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So is your source for this just "vibes" or do you actually have something here
/r/PurplePillDebate27/01/26 12:51 PM
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No, he is not. He wanted to date lesbians. Ok well I'm employed so I'm not gonna get into the debate over whether Chris Chan's transition is valid but even if not, that's still only five cases, all of which are extreme outliers. Doesn't change anything. There's more proof of guys causing their dating problems than guys who are just down on their luck. Where is this proof??? You guys only believe it's primarily guys down on their luck because thats what they claim, not that we can see how theyre …
/r/PurplePillDebate26/01/26 06:48 PM
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Because when people are able to look into the lives and behaviors of guys who complain, theyre typically the problem Alright well Chris Chan is a woman so I count four men, zero of which are typical. I'm not saying you're wrong, but you haven't even come close to providing enough evidence to prove your point. It seems like you genuinely believe and it want to do the work to prove it, though, so I look forward to seeing what you come up with.
/r/PurplePillDebate26/01/26 06:27 PM
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Okay, I'm with you that guys who do those things should not complain about not getting matches. But how do you know that these are the same men who are complaining? I would assume it's the opposite - if the algorithm is showing you lots of those profiles, it's probably because that's what lots of women are swiping right on.
/r/PurplePillDebate26/01/26 06:13 PM
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...the usual suspects?
/r/PurplePillDebate26/01/26 06:00 PM
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Okay, what was the sample size?
/r/PurplePillDebate26/01/26 05:59 PM
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Plenty of guys have bad profiles If you want to prove this point then you need more than one example.
/r/PurplePillDebate26/01/26 05:54 PM
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How do you know they make up 99% of the men who messaged you? Did you write it down? If not, then you are in fact asking us to just trust you. Or maybe you don't know the exact number, which is fair enough. But how do you know it's higher for you than it is for men?
/r/PurplePillDebate26/01/26 05:54 PM
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All this proves is that one guy had a bad profile. If you want to prove the point you think you're making, what you would need to do is find an ugly guy and make him a successful online dating profile. Kind of telling that no one has managed to come up with that though, isn't it?
/r/PurplePillDebate26/01/26 05:46 PM
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Really? Post your data then.
/r/PurplePillDebate26/01/26 05:41 PM
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source: just trust me bro
/r/PurplePillDebate26/01/26 05:29 PM
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HAHAHA oh my god dude So let me get this straight. You won the genetic lottery. You go online and give shit advice (to people who I'm guessing haven't even asked for it) while calling yourself "reality pilled". People rightfully tell you that your advice is shit because you don't know what the world is like outside of your bubble of privilege. And instead of listening to them, you get so butthurt about it that you complain on threads that are completely unrelated about how men must be misogynist…
/r/PurplePillDebate15/01/26 04:59 PM
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Ah I see where the disconnect is. You think these men are rejecting your advice because it'll get them love but not instant gratification sex. In reality, these men are rejecting your advice because it sucks. It will get them neither love nor sex; their preferences are irrelevant here. Hope that helps!
/r/PurplePillDebate15/01/26 04:08 PM
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People want advice that gives them results -> they must not really like women I've seen a lot of big reaches on this subreddit but wow. People are impatient dude it's not that deep
/r/PurplePillDebate15/01/26 01:27 PM
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Personal anecdotes are irrelevant to my observations No they aren't. Your observations are personal anecdotes. This shit? It is a vastly, wildly overstated phenomenon that only gets outsized inordinate focus in the manosphere due to the overabundance of inexperienced, highly neurotic men in it That's an anecdote. Either put up some data or accept that we're in theoretical territory here. We are talking about relationships No, we're talking about n-count. Do you really think someone with a body c…
/r/PurplePillDebate12/01/26 06:58 PM
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I mean I've slept with a current hoe (self-described) who pursued me for a serious relationship even though her body count was like 20x higher than mine. And I'd be very surprised if she ever pulls a dude with the same n count as her for a serious relationship because those men are going to be significantly more attractive than her I've also never seen any actual data to substantiate this epidemic of high-n female/low-n male couplings Fair point, neither have I. But I assume you don't have the d…
/r/PurplePillDebate12/01/26 05:57 PM
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Oh :( not sure why that is but sorry to hear that 🫡😭
/r/PurplePillDebate02/01/26 01:57 PM
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Oh wow. You can name one person who's both a feminist and Zionist? Someone who's been dead for 20 years? Yeah you're really onto something here. Netanyahu is a ultraright conservative who loves Trump. The enablers of the genocide in America are far right conservatives and centrist liberals. The only ones who are actually boycotting and protesting are leftists, aka the group most likely to support feminism. So no, feminism and Zionism do not go hand in hand. Time to wake up and realize the call i…
/r/PurplePillDebate30/10/25 12:17 PM
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I mean if you didn't like the source, I also proved why the term genocide is applicable using just logic. But I see you're conveniently choosing not to acknowledge that part And when I linked the IAGS resolution, it wasn't to appeal to their authority, it was because the resolution explains exactly why your argument is wrong. If you had actually read it then you would've seen this part: Declares that Israel’s policies and actions in Gaza meet the legal definition of genocide in Article II of the…
/r/PurplePillDebate29/10/25 11:21 PM
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Didn't expect to see genocide denial on my dating slop subreddit Just gonna leave this resolution from the International Association of Genocide Scholars declaring Israel's actions in Gaza a genocide here Palestinians are not being targeted because of their ethnicity - they are being targeted because they are governed by terrorists Ah yes, which is why the West Bank, which is not governed by terrorists (unless you count the Israeli government), has never had any sort of ethnic cleansing take pla…
/r/PurplePillDebate29/10/25 10:25 PM
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If you have a clit then you did not experience what the majority of men go through. Like yeah if I could buy a magic wand and give myself 5 orgasms in a row with no refractory period and all of them last for 3x longer then I wouldn't give a shit about not getting laid either
/r/PurplePillDebate17/10/25 09:39 PM
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The logical next step is that if any of these "dickless" men do express any sexual desire, then it's seen as gross, as if a child did it. Which will lead to men being ashamed of their own sexuality. Which will cause all kinds of problems for men which in turn becomes a problem for everyone But also, wrong things are wrong. It doesn't need to be any deeper than that. And if you really look at viewing people as less than fully human and think "well this seems harmless" then I don't know what to te…
/r/PurplePillDebate16/10/25 10:40 PM
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It's insulting and dehumanizing. You're basically saying you don't see them as a complete person, more like a child or a dog.
/r/PurplePillDebate16/10/25 09:47 PM
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Calling someone dickless is essentially denying that they experience sexual feelings at all
/r/PurplePillDebate16/10/25 09:25 PM
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women let unattractive men be invisible dickless people to them Do "invisible" and "dickless" sound like neutral words to you? Sounds pretty negative to me
/r/PurplePillDebate16/10/25 09:04 PM
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I think men who care about body count are totally ok with just not dating women with a high body count, but the problem is that you aren't allowed to ask up front so you have to expend a significant amount of effort just to find out the same way women let unattractive men be invisible dickless people to them Why are women like this? Why is it "unattractive people are invisible dickless asexuals who might as well be a gay 6 year old blood relative" instead of a simple "I don't want to date this p…
/r/PurplePillDebate16/10/25 07:27 PM
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Sex requires enthusiastic consent from all parties involved. Labor under capitalism is not consensual since our only other option is starvation, and it definitely isn't enthusiastic. If you want ethical prostitution then you should be working to bring about either universal basic income or a socialist revolution
/r/PurplePillDebate15/10/25 06:58 PM
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Because the implication is that the toxic ones speak for everyone and that anyone who isn't outwardly toxic is lying to you. OP literally says in the first sentence of her post that she believes the majority of women think the same way as her
/r/PurplePillDebate15/10/25 04:12 PM
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A lot of us are on SSRIs thanks to living in the depressing late stage capitalist world that your generation voted for
/r/PurplePillDebate15/10/25 02:22 PM
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That is a fundamental misunderstanding of how capitalism works. None of us except the super rich consent to labor, we do it against our will because the other option is starving
/r/PurplePillDebate15/10/25 02:09 PM
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I don't think these guys are the same ones who were getting girls in high school
/r/PurplePillDebate15/10/25 02:05 PM
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The only things men even have to hide, as far as I can see, are the dangerous things I can say from experience that the #1 reason I hide things as a man is not because they're dangerous, but because they're not socially acceptable
/r/PurplePillDebate15/10/25 12:29 AM
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You didn't read it very well apparently Recently I noticed some inconsistencies with a partner of a year+ behavior and statements around basically womens issues and equality. Within about a month of me pushing and prying and doing rhetoric analysis on his texts it basically came to light that he was completely full of shit Maybe it's an exaggeration to say he could've kept it up indefinitely but it's safe to say from her phrasing that he got away with it for about a year before she noticed anyth…
/r/PurplePillDebate15/10/25 12:20 AM
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I said 20% of couples under 30. Obviously if you take into account all adults, including ones who've spent the majority of their lives without online dating, the rate is going to skew lower Meanwhile, sports betting shows the top 10 percent win the most (enough to make a living as you said). Yeah no fucking way, let's see your source on that one. I'd believe that 10% break even but that doesn't mean it's enough to make a living
/r/PurplePillDebate14/10/25 11:46 PM
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Dating apps are a part of social media, no different than Instagram, snapchat, facebook or X This is not true in any meaningful way besides I guess the fact that you can message people. Can you post to tinder? Add friends on bumble? Start group chats on hinge? The apps centre women as the focal point, which is the case for apps like instagram, snapchat and TikTok, the women drive the most traffic that brings in the men If you're a gooner maybe. Most people have social media to keep up with frien…
/r/PurplePillDebate14/10/25 10:54 PM
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Garbage analogy. No one makes a living off sports betting. Whereas 20% of couples under 30 meet online
/r/PurplePillDebate14/10/25 10:41 PM
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I have not, I assume because anyone who thinks this knows that if they said it outside of the safety of their online echo chamber they would get mercilessly clowned on. Or maybe it comes up less because men are less likely to express their misogynistic views in front of women irl. Still, I think it's worth mentioning because discussion of manosphere issues happens primarily online and this is a very common argument people use. I haven't seen it on this subreddit very much but I see it a lot on i…
/r/PurplePillDebate14/10/25 08:30 PM
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If you behave badly online, I'm assuming that you're likely not going to be able to keep up not being misogynistic irl Ok, well you shouldn't assume that because it's wrong. Here's an example of a guy hiding his misogyny from his gf for a year, if she hadn't snooped on his phone he probably could've kept it up indefinitely.. But sure. Take everything 100% literally. That will certainly help you in relationships Yeah communicating unambiguously has actually helped me a lot in relationships. I'm s…
/r/PurplePillDebate14/10/25 07:03 PM
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If you see someone say misogynist things online and you assume with 100% certainty that if you met them in real life that you would be able to tell they're a misogynist then you are in fact claiming that you have a supernatural ability to read minds/smell misogyny. Or that misogyny is somehow impossible to be hidden even though other character traits aren't
/r/PurplePillDebate14/10/25 06:52 PM
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I know you never said women have the magical ability to know who will abuse them. I'm claiming you said people on the manosphere are saying that. What I'm trying to say is that the people who are saying that are not aligned with the manosphere Also this isn't whataboutism, I'm just saying you attributed a quote to the wrong person
/r/PurplePillDebate14/10/25 06:47 PM
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I bring it up because you brought it up, reminder this was in your original post the manosphere and most of the internet [...] insisted that [women] can smell misogyny a mile away It's not derailing the debate to point out that one of the claims that you make is straight up wrong
/r/PurplePillDebate14/10/25 06:36 PM
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I have seen the exact words "creep radar" used so many times I've lost count. It's understandable if you don't believe people are making this argument because like you've said it's pretty stupid but I promise you that they are it means guys who haven't touched grass in a couple years and have poor social skills are worse at hiding it This is just confirmation bias, you would have no idea if a seemingly well adjusted person who you meet in passing is actually a misogynist basement dweller in his …
/r/PurplePillDebate14/10/25 06:18 PM
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I've seen the following argument play out a million times "I can't get laid because I'm ugly" "No, you can't get laid because you're a misogynist" "I'm only a misogynist online, no one would be able to tell in real life" "Women have a built in creep radar and they can pick up on your misogynist vibes" Just go on r/inceltears and you'll see dozens of normal women making this argument
/r/PurplePillDebate14/10/25 05:54 PM
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I agree with everything you said except this the manosphere and most of the internet has callously called these victims "stupid" and insisted that they can smell misogyny a mile away The manosphere does not insist that women can smell misogyny a mile away. Women insist this, usually in response to a guy with misogynist leanings complaining that women don't want him
/r/PurplePillDebate14/10/25 05:43 PM
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Most serial pedophiles are well-respected members of their community, but you would be an utter fool to treat being a well-respected member of your community as a red flag. This is just victim blaming with a coat of intellectual paint over it
/r/PurplePillDebate13/10/25 09:35 PM
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Apparently no one in this thread knows what "red flag" means. It's a warning sign of something worse. Not a disqualifier
/r/PurplePillDebate13/10/25 08:24 PM
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A red flag is a warning sign. What does being ugly warn you of
/r/PurplePillDebate13/10/25 07:55 PM
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Being socially awkward in your 20s is somewhat of a red flag or it can be the deal-breaker itself Being awkward can be a deal breaker or unattractive but that's different from being a red flag. A red flag is a signal of something worse. If someone is awkward it just means they're awkward. Ugliness evolutionarily signals bad health This may have been true in caveman times (and even then it's debatable, e.g. taller people die sooner on average) but it's definitely not true now. Health is mostly a …
/r/PurplePillDebate13/10/25 07:45 PM
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The shame is on your ( the virgin ) 's end How fucking dense do you have to be to type this sentence and not think this is virgin shaming. You are literally telling virgins to feel shame that signals very clearly for one or several reasons, every girl in this guy's life has found him undesirable Yeah and usually it's just being ugly or awkward or shy, which are not red flags nor are they anything to be ashamed of
/r/PurplePillDebate13/10/25 07:27 PM
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Romance novels are a green flag imo. Liking to read and being romantic are both attractive qualities to me For the rest it's too hard to say because it really depends on what level she's into these hobbies and what she gets out of them. Like does she just enjoy collecting disney princess memorabilia or is she gonna make me take yearly trips to disneyworld and watch whatever slop marvel is pumping out? And "fanfiction" covers such a wide range. There's a big difference between an Undertale AU and…
/r/PurplePillDebate13/10/25 03:16 PM
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Why are you so bitter? Baggage from a past relationship, same as every other bitter person on this sub And idk this whole "um actually what turns me on is you doing labor for me because women's sexuality is just different like that 😊😊" smells of bullshit to me. To the cynical part of me it seems like it's just women weaponizing their lower libido to extract favors that they never plan on returning. I don't want to have to exchange services for sex like I'm soliciting a hooker in a barter economy…
/r/PurplePillDebate13/10/25 12:27 AM
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I'm asking if doing chores for you was what it took to get you in the mood, would she ever do it. It sounds like a lot of women expect this from men but would never do it themselves, and are shielded from ever having to face this hypocrisy because realistically it's extremely easy to seduce men.
/r/PurplePillDebate12/10/25 04:36 PM
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...so realistically, does it ever happen?
/r/PurplePillDebate12/10/25 03:40 PM
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Would she ever put in the same level of effort to get you in the mood?
/r/PurplePillDebate12/10/25 03:04 PM
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Ah yes anybody who possesses a virtue I don't is clearly just faking it for attention. Grow up
/r/PurplePillDebate11/10/25 06:10 PM
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People find the sexuality of people they find sexually unattractive to be gross Immature people do this We'd all prefer not to acknowledge that the 300 pound school lunch lady with a mustache masturbates and gets horny sometimes Speak for yourself, I cannot even fathom preferring not to acknowledge a person is sexual unless they're family or a child. Who cares
/r/PurplePillDebate11/10/25 05:55 PM
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Take two average males that are almost identical, make one follow the BP, and one follow the RP. The RP guy will always have better success Yeah this is the part I don't buy without evidence while the BP guy is simply following the verbal advice given by women and society Without evidence, RP is just verbal advice given by men
/r/PurplePillDebate11/10/25 04:14 PM
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If relationships are a soft science with no objective truths then how can you say that the RP objectively works better than the bluepill for the vast majority of men and is correct despite anyone's opinions? What is your evidence?
/r/PurplePillDebate11/10/25 03:39 PM
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Objective truths don't really exist in this field the RP objectively works better than the bluepill for the vast majority of men 🤔
/r/PurplePillDebate11/10/25 03:27 PM
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Uh no I got my feelings hurt by somebody who I cared about treating me differently when I revealed something about myself. The fuck are you talking about?
/r/PurplePillDebate08/10/25 03:16 PM
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This mf believes in the meritocracy <image>
/r/PurplePillDebate08/10/25 03:58 AM
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No she didn't want to have sex with me after she found out, we did do other stuff though
/r/PurplePillDebate07/10/25 03:55 AM
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I can confirm my first time hooking up with a girl she got very weird about it when she found out it was my first time. She didn't explicitly shame me for it but I definitely felt ashamed afterwards
/r/PurplePillDebate07/10/25 03:20 AM
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Yes, calling people virgins to insult them is virgin shaming
/r/PurplePillDebate07/10/25 03:12 AM
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"Ignore the internet's opinion on dating apps" says guy on internet
/r/PurplePillDebate02/10/25 03:49 AM
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As a man, if 1% of women on dating apps decided I was good for more than a night, that would be a vast improvement in my dating situation
/r/PurplePillDebate02/10/25 03:47 AM
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Perhaps by communicating with him? It's not hard to tell when someone is a bad listener
/r/PurplePillDebate14/09/25 04:21 PM
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Describing it as an "orgasm gap" implies that it should be closed
/r/PurplePillDebate14/09/25 04:20 PM
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If a woman decides to have sex with a man who isn't a good communicator then that's on her. The whole point of getting to know them first is so you can select for these kinds of things
/r/PurplePillDebate14/09/25 03:10 PM
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There is no such thing as the orgasm gap. A man has to work harder to make a woman orgasm than vice versa. If both partners are giving equal effort then the man will orgasm more.
/r/PurplePillDebate14/09/25 03:08 PM
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Sometimes it's just fun to argue and sometimes you learn new things by hearing different perspectives. You ain't going to do that by spending hours each week let alone in a day in discussing why Men are that, why women are this. I think you're overestimating how much time people spend on this sub. A few hours per week out of your leisure time is not gonna make a difference The people who GENUILELY want relationships are going to find each other This is some woo woo bullshit. Maybe true for attra…
/r/PurplePillDebate14/09/25 02:28 PM
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That's demonstrably false, hence the hacking of celebrity nudes, deep fakes, look alike porn stars, etc. Those are not dating partners Also not condoning this behavior but plenty of ordinary women get their nudes leaked/deepfakes made
/r/PurplePillDebate03/09/25 02:00 PM
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I'm going to bed now but if I check this thread tomorrow morning and no one has cited any studies I'm going to be very disappointed in you all edit: 200 comments and not a single one. Great job everyone 👍
/r/PurplePillDebate03/09/25 04:13 AM
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Here's a study showing that Gen Z women are not more critical of age gaps than any other age group of women Also, to OP's point, this study found no correlation between approval of age gaps and intrasexual competition as measured by the Intrasexual Competition Scale If I had to guess, I think the reason Gen Z seems more angry about age gaps is that they do their complaining on tiktok where people can see it while older generations seem to reserve it for the comment sections on Daily Mail that no…
/r/PurplePillDebate03/09/25 03:27 AM
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So because we have climate change and unchecked capitalism, you feel like you shouldn’t have to put in any effort to find a partner? You said I was "delusional to what previous generations of men had to go through." I brought up those examples to show that I understand it just fine. Not to say that I don't think I should have to put in any effort. What I think is that I should have to put in the same amount of effort that women do. When in reality I have to put in a lot more. Do you think that w…
/r/PurplePillDebate31/08/25 06:41 PM
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That's like saying no one is forced to pay rent. I suppose it's technically true because I could live under a bridge somewhere but that's not a realistic option. Likewise, "these women" are the only women out there. They're not necessarily boring people. They might be, or they might be interesting people who just don't see you as valuable enough to put in the effort in yet. You have no way of knowing until you meet them in real life. And you are "forced" to do this in that your other option is d…
/r/PurplePillDebate31/08/25 05:12 PM
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It's not small talk. The standard dating advice is to ask interesting, targeted questions that mention something on her bio and provoke an emotional response. I don't get that kind of energy back. That's my reality.
/r/PurplePillDebate31/08/25 05:06 PM
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Women don't do more during the relationship stage unless they are in the unfortunate minority of women who don't realize their worth.
/r/PurplePillDebate31/08/25 05:01 PM
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This seems like a one in a billion story and starting a faceless twitch stream in the hopes that a woman will chat you up does not seem like a worthwhile endeavor.
/r/PurplePillDebate31/08/25 04:51 PM
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On dating apps, you have to put up with boring conversation over text in the hopes that you might get interesting conversation irl. It's an invention of terminally online men that gets uncritically parroted year after year but does not reflect reality It is my reality. I'm describing my lived experience
/r/PurplePillDebate31/08/25 04:44 PM
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Making it happen means going through the dating app grind which means being a spineless wimp, because that's how you maximize your odds of finding someone.
/r/PurplePillDebate31/08/25 04:41 PM
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How did it start then? I promise I won't call your husband a beta.
/r/PurplePillDebate31/08/25 04:29 PM
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Going on dates is fun. Finding someone who will show up to the date is the not fun part
/r/PurplePillDebate31/08/25 04:24 PM
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I'll admit my assumption is wrong when I see some evidence to the contrary. Do you have any?
/r/PurplePillDebate31/08/25 04:18 PM
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I'm not normally scared of failure, but you know what yeah I will admit the thought of spending decades single and alone scares me. As it would anyone who's really had to face that possibility. Which I'm guessing you haven't, given that you're calling it "slight adversity." That is just straight up insulting.
/r/PurplePillDebate31/08/25 04:16 PM
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you guys are so horny for the same women you keep picking them I suppose that's true in that I am going after the women who exist and put themselves out there. You assume that there are women out there who act any differently but there are not.
/r/PurplePillDebate31/08/25 04:08 PM
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Good for you bud
/r/PurplePillDebate31/08/25 04:04 PM
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It's not a false dichotomy. If you want something to happen, you either make it happen or wait for it to happen.
/r/PurplePillDebate31/08/25 04:02 PM
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These men are so delusional when it comes to what previous generations of men had to go through when it came to dating I really don't give a fuck what previous generations of men went through, they could retire on a janitor's income and they never had to deal with climate change or AI so they have nothing to complain about. But now they think filling out a dating profile, engaging in basic conversation, asking a woman to go to dinner and picking a restaurant is a lot of effort Doing it once is f…
/r/PurplePillDebate31/08/25 03:57 PM
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I absolutely can complain about being forced to choose between two shitty things.
/r/PurplePillDebate31/08/25 03:52 PM
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I think you really overestimate the power of reflection. And dont start with the whole "we cant choose" and "all women are like that". "Oh and don't even start with [lists two extremely valid points]" These are the women you guys pursue And where are all these totally real women who put in mutual effort from the get go? What club do they hang at?
/r/PurplePillDebate31/08/25 03:44 PM
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I dislike being a pushover but not as much as I dislike the prospect of dying alone.
/r/PurplePillDebate31/08/25 03:41 PM
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just find a woman that really strongly desires you Right but in order to do that you still have to go through what I'm describing Namely, don't simp and don't waste your time with women that don't value you This is just not feasible. Every woman starts out not valuing you. You have to at least start out as the dancing monkey 100% of the time.
/r/PurplePillDebate31/08/25 03:36 PM
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Even in countries with “free” healthcare it’s not free, it’s funded from taxes Obviously that's what I meant
/r/PurplePillDebate31/08/25 03:34 PM
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I have, that's what this post is?
/r/PurplePillDebate31/08/25 03:34 PM
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find a partner who treats you like an equal instead of a dancing monkey I would like to find a partner before I turn 60 so not gonna bank on that
/r/PurplePillDebate31/08/25 03:31 PM
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Oh no she has to hit the block button 200 times. The horror. That might take her almost a couple minutes An absolute joke that you would even think that compares to what men go through
/r/PurplePillDebate31/08/25 03:28 PM
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In cases where women don't realize the power they wield, the relationship can be equal or even balanced in favor of the man. But it's not natural for that to happen.
/r/PurplePillDebate31/08/25 03:26 PM
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Duality of man (except not really, I'm right and he's wrong)
/r/PurplePillDebate31/08/25 03:25 PM
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My point is, just because something should be true doesn't mean it is. Dating is not fun. It's miserable
/r/PurplePillDebate31/08/25 03:22 PM
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And healthcare should be free but it isn't now, is it?
/r/PurplePillDebate31/08/25 03:20 PM
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On average, men desire women more than women desire men.
/r/PurplePillDebate31/08/25 03:20 PM
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Ghosting is basically the default on dating apps now for when someone loses interest
/r/PurplePillDebate31/08/25 03:50 AM
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It doesn't make sense to me either that leftist and feminist women are on a debate subreddit. I didn't think anyone actually likes debating this stuff except for romantically unsuccessful men who've got a chip on their shoulder. And the prevailing attitude I've seen among leftist/feminist women towards debating gender issues is "educate yourself, I don't owe you a debate." I'm glad you all are here though, it would be pretty boring without you.
/r/PurplePillDebate30/08/25 01:36 PM
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Most fashion is terrible for the environment and the dudes wearing the same t-shirts they've had since high school are the ones with the lowest carbon footprints. But y'all aren't ready for that conversation.
/r/PurplePillDebate29/08/25 10:30 PM
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I get compliments on my clothing somewhat regularly and it does absolutely nothing for my self esteem. They like the shirt, not me.
/r/PurplePillDebate29/08/25 10:22 PM
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if you push me my goal is try to flatline you Get help
/r/PurplePillDebate29/08/25 09:51 PM
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For some men the cost-benefit analysis does indeed point towards dating not being worth it.
/r/PurplePillDebate29/08/25 08:04 PM
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No it isn't. Rejection hurts. Someone else not wanting you the way you want them is painful. Not wanting to feel that pain is simply human.
/r/PurplePillDebate29/08/25 08:03 PM
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they project blame on social norms and expectations, or parts of themselves that they don’t have control over like their height These things do in fact have significant effects on dating success Maybe there’s something wrong with western society or just something wrong with the world at large Uh yeah, there is? Pointing this out is not coping
/r/PurplePillDebate29/08/25 07:53 PM
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It's more like 1.) I have a friend! They're really awesome! 2.) My friend was so awesome, that I fell in love with them! 3.) My friend doesn't want to date me, and now whenever I see them I'm reminded of how awful I felt when they rejected me. The dynamic has been forever altered and hanging out with them is painful and awkward instead of fun
/r/PurplePillDebate29/08/25 07:43 PM
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Capitalism has convinced men that their ultimate calling is to leave their families and create shareholder value at work
/r/PurplePillDebate29/08/25 05:05 PM
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For men the choice isn't "pump and dump vs. relationship." The choice is "pump and dump vs. pump and relationship"
/r/PurplePillDebate29/08/25 02:55 PM
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I don't buy that women experience this on the same level that men do, outside of extreme cases.
/r/PurplePillDebate29/08/25 02:14 PM
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It's fine, but it hurts a lot when it happens over and over again.
/r/PurplePillDebate29/08/25 01:51 PM
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I agree. As a short man, if you want a guy over 6ft who pays for everything, please stay the hell away from me.
/r/PurplePillDebate29/08/25 01:07 PM
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New game just dropped: start talking about your yugioh card collection so she doesn't see sex with you as settling
/r/PurplePillDebate28/08/25 03:05 PM
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OR that you value her and think she deserves more than hump and dump That sounds like cope lmao no one would phrase it that way. No man is out here like "you know what, I'm not gonna have sex with this woman, I value her too much"
/r/PurplePillDebate28/08/25 02:25 PM
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"Wife material" or "husband material" are compliments. "Not hookup material" is an insult.
/r/PurplePillDebate28/08/25 02:17 PM
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Reddit leans left and there is a general attitude on this subreddit of "if people are doing something that doesn't affect you then why would you care." So I was hoping this sub would be better but apparently not
/r/PurplePillDebate28/08/25 02:15 PM
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TIL half this sub is transphobic
/r/PurplePillDebate28/08/25 12:47 PM
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The demographic that benefits from artifical wombs is going to be trans women
/r/PurplePillDebate28/08/25 12:43 PM
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Half the country is in fact trying to fix that, by lowering the wealth gap and putting money back in regular people's hands casual sex requires looks so if you don’t have it you won’t have that experience I'm ugly as fuck and I've experienced it, you just have to find the right person
/r/PurplePillDebate28/08/25 12:42 PM
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Damn bro chill 😭 I never said I avoided clubs, I said I found it hard to have conversations with people over the loud music while wearing earplugs
/r/PurplePillDebate28/08/25 04:20 AM
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Uh, yes? It's a survey, pretty straightforward https://www.gq.com/story/the-hottest-thing-to-wear-to-the-club-is-a-pair-of-earplugs Dance floors at clubs and live music venues typically hover between 95 and 105 decibels, which the CDC says can create hearing loss in as few as five minutes. https://www.abc.net.au/news/2023-02-24/earplugs-at-concerts-clubs-and-gigs/102012978 David McAlpine, the academic director of Macquarie University Hearing, says concerts and clubbing are now "the main cause" f…
/r/PurplePillDebate28/08/25 04:13 AM
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Most Gen Xers went clubbing and are not deaf. 75% of Gen X/boomers reported hearing difficulties and that's not even counting the percentage with tinnitus You sound a bit uptight. I am literally just following the standard medical advice that any doctor would give you
/r/PurplePillDebate28/08/25 02:24 AM
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If you say so, I've literally never seen anyone say that outside of straight up incel forums. But even if it is true, this subreddit is not representative of the general population of men.
/r/PurplePillDebate28/08/25 02:14 AM
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Plenty of men would love to give women orgasms during casual sex but there is no way for them to communicate that without being overly forward and scaring her off. Women, instead of putting effort towards trying to find these men, will just go for the hottest guys with the most options and the least incentive to do anything for the woman's pleasure. So yeah I do blame women
/r/PurplePillDebate28/08/25 01:56 AM
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Going on a tangent here but do people actually buy drinks for multiple women hoping to score with one? How does that even work? Do you flirt with both of them or just your favorite one?
/r/PurplePillDebate28/08/25 12:06 AM
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but the risk of just bad and unsatisfactory sex with potentially a guy that is disrespectful or dangerous How hard is it to just learn to find men who are good at sex?
/r/PurplePillDebate27/08/25 09:37 PM
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I'll copy my comment from the main thread: You can't really make women want casual sex more (nor should you try and interfere with their will to choose), but you can make it a less risky prospect for them. If you could lower the rate of STDs or male on female violence or reduce the stigma around casual sex for women then I think you could sway some of the women who are on the fence about it.
/r/PurplePillDebate27/08/25 09:00 PM
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Okay then don't? All I'm saying is it would be good to increase the pool of women who participate in casual sex so that fewer men get passed on.
/r/PurplePillDebate27/08/25 08:27 PM
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Jesus fucking christ that is the biggest leap in logic I've seen all day. I would like it if more women participated (enthusiastically) in casual sex. I most certainly do not want anyone to do anything against their will. Why even bother going on debate subreddits if you're just going to twist what people say so that you can interpret it in the most extreme way possible?
/r/PurplePillDebate27/08/25 08:10 PM
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Fun is subjective. Case in point, that toilet paper doc sounds pretty interesting, I would watch it
/r/PurplePillDebate27/08/25 08:09 PM
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It doesn't need to be in the same way that, say, the wealth disparity needs to be evened out. But casual sex is a lot of fun and missing out on it sucks. It would be a good thing for society if everyone who wanted to experience it got to.
/r/PurplePillDebate27/08/25 08:00 PM
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Last time we had this thread it revealed how incredibly homophobic and biphobic many of the women on this subreddit are
/r/PurplePillDebate27/08/25 06:59 PM
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You can't really make women want casual sex more (nor should you try and interfere with their will to choose), but you can make it a less risky prospect for them. If you could lower the rate of STDs or male on female violence or reduce the stigma around casual sex for women then I think you could sway some of the women who are on the fence about it.
/r/PurplePillDebate27/08/25 06:49 PM
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No, calling it the minimum without mentioning that it's also the maximum is dishonest. That's what I was originally saying.
/r/PurplePillDebate27/08/25 04:02 PM
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50/50 that means either he does more and it's a net positive If he's doing more then she is a burden. So 50/50 is the maximum as well as the minimum.
/r/PurplePillDebate27/08/25 03:15 PM
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Calling 50/50 "the bare minimum" is a bit dishonest, it's also the maximum in an equal partnership This isn't about convincing you to want someone. It's about OP's claim that women put up with getting less out of a relationship, which is something that only happens if they let it happen. Sounds like a man doesn’t enjoy sex if he complains about all the work to be honest. What kind of logic is this? People enjoy raising kids but they complain about it all the time, because there's so much bullshi…
/r/PurplePillDebate27/08/25 02:32 PM
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I call little spoon
/r/PurplePillDebate27/08/25 01:44 PM
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50/50 is what's fair in a relationship with two people. 50% of the chores in a combined household is always easier than 100% of the chores living by yourself since you can combine things like cooking and laundry, and you can split the chores based on which partner prefers them more. So 50/50 does in fact make her life better, his too. Unless you're actually suggesting that the man needs to contribute more because he's a man. sound like she is laying there and waiting for it to be over When I say…
/r/PurplePillDebate27/08/25 01:42 PM
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This, not to mention the nonsexual physical intimacy. Cuddling your homies just doesn't hit the same.
/r/PurplePillDebate27/08/25 01:21 PM
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The males you swear are "good/right" men (you all say this) are usually the worst Oh are they now? How convenient. Yeah no, I'm calling bullshit on this. Obviously I'm talking about genuinely good men. Human psychology/Male Nature suggests that men are incapable of maintaining the emotional fulfillment and security of a relationship that many women want This is some tiktok hoe science bs, show me one study that backs this up In the meantime, you can read this study about how men value romantic r…
/r/PurplePillDebate27/08/25 01:14 PM
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Let's start with your peacock example. A rule of thumb with birds is that the more sexually dimorphic a species of bird is, the less role that the male has in raising the child. So the peacock with his incredible plumage is probably going to dip right after conception and will never be seen again. Humans are pair bonders where the male is typically around for the child's entire upbringing. So peafowl and similar bird species are not playing by the same rules that humans are. We're closer to mute…
/r/PurplePillDebate27/08/25 12:56 PM
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Agreed but it also is laughable that you think this is due to poor helpless women who just don't know how strong and brave they are. The fact is that there are plenty of men out there who would love to go 50/50 on chores and still put up with starfish sex at the end of the day. Women just aren't choosing these men. Not because they have low self esteem, but because they make no effort to. They are too incompetent to choose the right men and too lazy and/or entitled to put in the effort to learn …
/r/PurplePillDebate27/08/25 12:28 PM
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People who don't want to go deaf in their 40s
/r/PurplePillDebate27/08/25 04:47 AM
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Ok so let's revisit this then: Guys complaining being single/sexless. Women explaining its because theyre assholes Men complain about loneliness. Women immediately jump to the conclusion that it's because they must be an asshole. Do you see the problem with that?
/r/PurplePillDebate26/08/25 03:06 PM
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Guys complaining being single/sexless. Women explaining its because theyre assholes Wait so are you actually saying that all single/sexless guys are assholes?
/r/PurplePillDebate26/08/25 01:21 PM
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That is in fact a completely different point than OP was making
/r/PurplePillDebate26/08/25 12:28 AM
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It's fine if it's not your thing but no need to be judgmental about it
/r/PurplePillDebate26/08/25 12:23 AM
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How the fuck are you supposed to chat at a club? It's loud as hell and anybody sane is wearing earplugs
/r/PurplePillDebate26/08/25 12:20 AM
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Whether that's true or not, it's completely besides the point
/r/PurplePillDebate25/08/25 08:09 PM
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“Nice Guys” dont want to be good They do want to be good. That's why they're complaining, because being good isn't working out for them but they don't want to stop doing it. If they secretly wanted to be assholes then there would be no reason to complain, they would just go be assholes. Someone who actually cares about morals wouldnt think this way. This is a fundamental misunderstanding of how people and morals work. Good men want to be good but they also want other people to be good. They want…
/r/PurplePillDebate25/08/25 03:50 PM
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/r/femcelgrippysockjail Not as bad as incels by far but they post some vile stuff
/r/PurplePillDebate25/08/25 02:51 PM
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Hatred is a confession of need Do you think people need Hitler?
/r/PurplePillDebate25/08/25 02:36 PM
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“Literal sociopaths”. Come on Clearly you didn't read the post I linked Most of the guys who complain about good looking guys being assholes don’t even know the guys in question This is just ignorant. Having a childhood bully who gets more girls than you is practically a universal male experience. And there are plenty of studies that show that men who are more sociopathic do better with women on average, here's one.
/r/PurplePillDebate25/08/25 01:58 PM
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Because the asshole guy can be an asshole to other people besides his partner
/r/PurplePillDebate25/08/25 05:33 AM
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No, they're good men who don't need incentive to act like a good person and think they should at least be doing better romantically than literal sociopaths Petition to make the SSC nice guys blog post required reading to post on this sub
/r/PurplePillDebate25/08/25 04:07 AM
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witness men act not nice notice these men have no problem attracting women notice other men are emulating them point this out get called as bad as the first guy "Nice guy" discourse in a nutshell. Pointing out that many women reward bad behavior with romantic attention is not the same as saying those women deserve bad things to happen to them
/r/PurplePillDebate25/08/25 03:51 AM
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Wow. If only I had thought of that
/r/PurplePillDebate25/08/25 03:21 AM
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This is a great way to get banned from every dating app
/r/PurplePillDebate09/08/25 10:17 PM
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Dating apps isn't real life Dating apps are in fact comprised of real life people who meet in real life and go on real life dates and form real life relationships The bar is in hell Anyone who says "the bar for men is in hell" is basically telling on themselves for not having any self-respect. That's all there is to it. The bar is factually very high But for men looks are much more forgiving Let's see some data
/r/PurplePillDebate08/08/25 10:21 PM
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The point of the tea app is to determine if a guy is secretly a bad person. You don't need to do that with conservatives because they're loud and proud about being bad people
/r/PurplePillDebate08/08/25 09:18 PM
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Nice Guys hate women with low look standards and who prioritizes personality/morals too Bad boys chasers are the women they actually want It would help a lot if you just said what you were trying to say
/r/PurplePillDebate08/08/25 07:43 PM
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OP is saying nice guys don't like the women who would date them. I don't see any evidence of that in any of the stories you shared.
/r/PurplePillDebate08/08/25 05:56 PM
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Where is the evidence for any of this
/r/PurplePillDebate08/08/25 05:06 PM
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I don't get it. I don't think anyone is arguing against the existence of these categories. What we're saying is that women suck ass at picking the first category of men and are constantly making excuses about it when all it really comes down to is incompetence.
/r/PurplePillDebate08/08/25 04:23 PM
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I'd force him to sound with a 1x8 brick Okay I get you don't like legos but jesus christ that is horrific
/r/PurplePillDebate08/08/25 04:04 PM
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It's called assortative mating. People are attracted to people who are similar to themselves.
/r/PurplePillDebate08/08/25 03:38 AM
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No more aspie virgins for me That's seriously your takeaway? All virgins on the spectrum must be bad? Way to prove OP's point, you really do suck at filtering
/r/PurplePillDebate08/08/25 03:28 AM
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many women who are "not into" casual sex will have casual sex at some point in their lives Yes, 100%. I wonder what the numbers are on how many women have "hoe phases." I would guess 30-50%. Also so much of the discussion on this subreddit is around sex and sexual partners but one of the main ways women seem to engage in promiscuity is just making out with people.
/r/PurplePillDebate06/08/25 10:52 PM
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Men say they want women to stop exclusively dating guys who are better than them. However, if men don't feel like they are better than their partner, they will be insecure. That's what I think OP is trying to say
/r/PurplePillDebate06/08/25 03:47 PM
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I don't think I've ever walked into a woman's room and not thought "damn bitch you live like this"
/r/PurplePillDebate06/08/25 02:19 PM
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Yes. Most men I know dress well, have skincare routines, exercise regularly and are in good shape
/r/PurplePillDebate05/08/25 08:50 PM
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Hell yeah I could. I would never do that, but you know what, it actually is nice to know I have the option.
/r/PurplePillDebate04/08/25 10:50 PM
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Having the option to have sex with gay men is better than not having it.
/r/PurplePillDebate04/08/25 10:28 PM
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Sure, the explicitly incompatible ones are spam. But I'm sure you had plenty of good and decent options as well. And I doubt it took you much time at all to filter out the obviously incompatible ones. Hardly worth complaining about.
/r/PurplePillDebate04/08/25 10:27 PM
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Who the fuck refers to the Matrix as "some 26 year old sci-fi film." I was too angry to finish reading the post after that
/r/PurplePillDebate04/08/25 10:22 PM
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No I'm saying if you want love then going through the dating process is a necessary part of life, so it's useful to have options, even if some of them are bad. It is never useful to have spam or robocalls in any circumstance, making it a bad analogy
/r/PurplePillDebate04/08/25 10:18 PM
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That's a bad analogy. Nobody wants to be scammed or pestered to donate to politicians. Everybody wants love.
/r/PurplePillDebate04/08/25 10:11 PM
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So the first time you experienced wanting someone really bad, you ended up married to him. Yeah I see why you have trouble understanding the male experience
/r/PurplePillDebate04/08/25 10:10 PM
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"Less noise" lmao just say you suck at vetting people
/r/PurplePillDebate04/08/25 10:04 PM
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Well, more power to you I guess. I don't think most people are like that. And I wonder if you'd still feel that way if you'd ever experienced what it's like to want one and not have one easily within reach.
/r/PurplePillDebate04/08/25 10:02 PM
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that access to sex is inherently an “advantage.” Having the option to have sex is inherently better than not having it. It is an advantage, period.
/r/PurplePillDebate04/08/25 09:59 PM
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It's also exceptionally easy for women to find relationships. sex is the only thing of value to them No, it's the only thing of value that I can't get through effort alone.
/r/PurplePillDebate04/08/25 09:47 PM
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It's just a start. As you get more experience you can keep your own track of what personality traits are correlated with better sex. Women don't seem to understand that if you want a good man then you have to actually put effort into learning to discern good vs. bad.
/r/PurplePillDebate04/08/25 09:43 PM
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If someone is a good listener in conversation then they probably are in bed too. And if they take a genuine interest in you in conversation then they probably will care about pleasing you in bed
/r/PurplePillDebate04/08/25 09:19 PM
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Because like everybody I started out bad at sex. But I got better by listening to my partner's feedback. That's all it takes.
/r/PurplePillDebate04/08/25 08:35 PM
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Pretty much every able bodied adult has the fine motor skills to be good at sex if they want to be. All it really comes down to is the will to listen to what your partner wants and the desire to put the effort into doing it. I fully believe that there are lots of men who lack these qualities. But if you choose to have sex with them then that is 100% on you.
/r/PurplePillDebate04/08/25 08:14 PM
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Men don't understand that a lot of the sex available to women isn't worth having I understand this just fine. What I don't buy is that it's hard to tell who will make an effort to focus on the woman's pleasure and who won't. If a woman is having lots of bad sex then she must be choosing the wrong guys. Which is either a skill issue or because she's willfully ignoring red flags.
/r/PurplePillDebate04/08/25 07:51 PM
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There's no reason it can't be both. And either way, what is so wrong with being angry out of jealousy?
/r/PurplePillDebate04/08/25 04:50 PM
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And it doesn't even matter what women "reward" because men just become complacent and ignore that they have a woman and then are surprised when they get divorced. It absolutely matters what traits women reward. When a man struggles with finding a partner and he realizes something about him needs to change, he is going to look towards men who are successful at finding partners as his role model for who to be like. And the process you're describing is ironically a shining example of the reward sys…
/r/PurplePillDebate04/08/25 04:43 PM
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If getting casual sex was equally hard for everyone then not getting it would still be upsetting, but not to the same degree. Maybe "ok" wasn't the right word to use but you wouldn't see the same kind of mass frustration if it was always the same difficulty no matter how you were born. “Basically, as long as the guy isnt a cheating violent felon, they cant register what women consider asshole behavior.” I asked "why does venting frustration about how unfair the dating market is make you an assho…
/r/PurplePillDebate04/08/25 04:41 PM
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Yeah of course I wish women's standards were lower. I want to get laid on a regular basis, as any sexual being does, and I also happen to have been born short and ugly. I don't see what's so wrong with that. This is about guys who say “its unfair that there’s rules for most guys except hot guys” When two groups of people are held to different standards because of traits they can't control it is by definition unfair. When they say “women should be consistent with their standards” they mean “women…
/r/PurplePillDebate04/08/25 04:35 PM
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You're assuming that the men who get posted to the tea app are a representative sample of all men when that is certainly not the case. The app exists to warn other women about bad men. There's no reason to post a man on the app unless he did something bad. So of course there are no "good men" on the app. This doesn't mean that they don't exist or aren't the majority of men.
/r/PurplePillDebate04/08/25 03:36 PM
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If antisocial bad boys are eroticized because they're rare, and your solution created a world where men are incentivized to be prosocial, then wouldn't antisocial bad boys become rare again, causing the pendulum to swing right back to where it started? What we really need to incentivize prosocial behavior is create a world where prosocial behavior leads to more wealth and social status, i.e. end capitalism.
/r/PurplePillDebate04/08/25 03:17 PM
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These range from fair and valid points to completely talking out of your ass -All of the benefits of having kids Except, you know, custody -Majority of top paying jobs are held by men The majority of top paying jobs are held by the 0.1% ruling class, their success is not our success -Not as much pressure to get plastic surgery and other expensive cosmetic procedures -No pressure to prevent signs of aging Debatable in the social media era -Bodily autonomy (In some places women have their whole li…
/r/PurplePillDebate11/05/25 02:04 PM
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Idk man nobody on this sub has ever called me a misogynist. Maybe I just haven't been here long enough
/r/PurplePillDebate11/05/25 12:37 PM
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"Choose better" doesn't mean "never choose wrong." It means it's ok to make mistakes and get played but you need to learn from your mistakes and do better next time. We are all responsible for learning how to vet our partners and discern good people from bad people. In my experience, pretty much all men will instinctively take on this responsibility but a lot of women assume they're exempt from it. Not that they don't try to vet people, but that if they choose wrong they're more likely to place …
/r/PurplePillDebate11/05/25 03:57 AM
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You should probably just go on r/antipornography instead of asking a user base that largely will not have a strong opinion on the topic But here are the reasons I've seen women complain about single men who watch porn: Abuse is common in the industry and if you choose to watch anyway then to some extent you are complicit with that Mainstream porn videos depict a very stylized and unrealistic kind of sex that will lead to frustration and possibly physical pain if you try it in real life (think ja…
/r/PurplePillDebate11/05/25 03:42 AM
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Fantasizing about keeping men in a petting zoo is based. Wanting to have some casual action on the side while you look for something serious is also based. Idk what you want from us
/r/PurplePillDebate09/05/25 07:27 PM
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Circumcision vs. female genital mutilation is not a double standard. They're different things. Circumcision is a medical procedure, it's not mutilation. It's fairly common to do it voluntarily or out of medical necessity. Generally speaking, nobody gets their clitoris removed for any reason. And yes, babies should not be circumcised, but to compare it to FGM is one of those classic 2015 anti-SJW false equivalencies that I'm just so tired of seeing
/r/PurplePillDebate08/05/25 09:20 PM
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I mean you could make the same argument about calling people racial slurs but that wouldn't make it right. I suppose if you're in physical danger then doing something morally wrong can be justified though
/r/PurplePillDebate08/05/25 09:14 PM
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I didn't ask if you've seen it happen, I asked what you would do if you saw it happen. But I get the impression you're going to keep dodging the question so whatever My point is, if your response to body shaming is to body shame them back, you are part of the problem. If you only do that to ugly people and attractive people get a pass to body shame, you are even worse
/r/PurplePillDebate08/05/25 09:03 PM
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No you should definitely be mean to them but don't body shame them back, then you're basically firing strays at all the thousands of people who share that trait
/r/PurplePillDebate08/05/25 08:58 PM
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So body shaming is totally cool when it's in response to body shaming, got it I don't understand people like you. What would you do if someone attractive enough that they didn't have obvious flaws to go after insulted a woman's appearance? Would you just be ok with that?
/r/PurplePillDebate08/05/25 08:40 PM
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This is getting frustrating. The more wanted a woman is, the more her value goes up. An attractive woman is more valued than an unattractive woman. This is what you were originally arguing against. The more a woman actually has sex, the more her value goes down. A woman with a body count of 300 is less valued than a woman with a body count of 3. This is what you're trying to gotcha me on now for some reason. However these two things are not contradictory at all.
/r/PurplePillDebate29/04/25 01:47 PM
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No, I'm saying sex can be exchanged for value in two ways: directly (sex work) and indirectly (profiting off being the status that comes with being sexually desirable). Furthermore, men want sex with desirable women so badly that they're willing to pay up front for it. So women can basically have their cake and eat it too by entertaining the advances of men who want to have sex with them but not actually doing it. It's possible to get some of the benefits of sex work without the social stigma th…
/r/PurplePillDebate29/04/25 01:29 PM
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Sex is just a past time Nope. Sex is the world's oldest profession. If that isn't proof enough that people wanting to fuck you makes you more valuable, look at how much money the top onlyfans models are making. You don't even have to sell sex directly; instagram models can make absolute bank posting clothed photos off the sheer envy they attract because of how much everyone wants to be as fuckable as them. Look at someone like Matt Rife - he's one of the cringiest, least funny people on the plan…
/r/PurplePillDebate29/04/25 01:21 PM
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Even if purity culture wasn't a thing, men would still have inherently less value because men desire women more than women desire men. Women have more value because they have something men want, plain and simple. So I don't agree that men who complain about being inherently worthless "did it to themselves." They can't help the fact that they desire women.
/r/PurplePillDebate29/04/25 11:18 AM
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Very relevant essay
/r/PurplePillDebate29/04/25 10:45 AM
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Happened once, she was out of my league
/r/PurplePillDebate29/04/25 01:01 AM
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Except she didn't try to distance herself from him. She told him "you're so sweet" and "you're a good friend" and then talked shit about him to her gc Maybe that’s how she felt She said "what an idiot" and "this guy is crazy." Those are insults, not feelings. I'm starting to think you haven't actually read the thread
/r/PurplePillDebate28/04/25 01:44 AM
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Maybe but that still wouldn't excuse her calling him creepy and ugly in her group chat
/r/PurplePillDebate28/04/25 01:27 AM
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She said she was his friend and she was talking shit behind his back, maybe not lying but a form of deception. Regardless it doesn't change my original point
/r/PurplePillDebate28/04/25 01:10 AM
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I love how dramatic this title is, I hope we get more threads that are just accusations in the form of questions
/r/PurplePillDebate28/04/25 01:09 AM
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First of all, if we're talking about hypothetical societal changes, why not socialize everybody to act more trustworthy instead? If nobody trusts anybody then society in general will be fucking miserable I don't get how "if he wanted to he would" is applicable to either of these situations. These are both cases of people lying and getting caught. At the end there was no mystery of whether they wanted to or not. if people can say "Not all men but always a man", it makes perfect sense to say "Not …
/r/PurplePillDebate28/04/25 12:52 AM
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Incels describe themselves using the 5 stages of grief pretty frequently actually, although as you can imagine they usually leave out acceptance. They even have their own abbreviated version: hope, cope, rope (referring to denial, bargaining, and depression respectively). The problem is that they never get the closure that a person who's grieving a loss gets. A person who dies is never coming back. Whereas there's always still a chance that an incel might lose their virginity next year. So it's …
/r/PurplePillDebate26/04/25 02:54 PM
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I suppose both pre-nups and having a "starter girlfriend" are both means of self-protection? I don't think you can really compare the two though, you can't protect yourself from getting emotionally hurt forever but if you're wealthy enough then protecting your assets is just the smart thing to do When dictating during a fight, I am prepared to resort to so-called "emotional abuse," specifically verbal abuse and The Silent Treatment (especially the "ASD Shut Out"). Bro what 😭 get help
/r/PurplePillDebate26/04/25 02:47 PM
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If you want to keep living in your boomer bubble where everyone who doesn't agree with you is a snowflake or a blue haired feminist and everything you don't understand must be because of that damn phone then fine. But the fact is that there are mountains of evidence that luck plays a significant role in dating, whether you choose to see it or not. Ironically for someone who uses feminist as an insult you seem to have completely bought into the lie that women on this subreddit push about dating a…
/r/PurplePillDebate26/04/25 01:56 PM
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God people like you annoy me. 1 date a month is not a "mirage of options", it IS having options. Oh boo hoo, you have to put some effort in to get there. Get over yourself dude, there are people who can only get 1 date per year if even that.
/r/PurplePillDebate26/04/25 01:36 PM
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Oh boy another victim blaming thread you can’t have a guy who has a bunch of friends and is roaming around being courageous and easygoing and then at the same time never been in a relationship and is struggling to get dates that’s impossible either he’s nuts or some secret grapist or he just doesn’t want to be with women You gonna, you know, defend this point? You say "that's impossible" - why? I think it's perfectly possible for an unattractive person to have friends but not dates. I've seen it…
/r/PurplePillDebate26/04/25 01:15 PM
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Men who are not capable of finding a romantic or sexual relationship with a woman are not being victimized by women, but they can be considered a victim of circumstances. /thread
/r/PurplePillDebate25/04/25 03:56 PM
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For jobs in entertainment you absolutely can. I imagine people would complain for jobs outside of entertainment, but I don't believe there are laws against it. And laws are not even the full picture here. Women and racial minorities are still discriminated against despite the laws against it. It needs to go further than that; i.e. educating people about their unconscious biases and training them to work against them
/r/PurplePillDebate25/04/25 03:39 PM
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Conservative men. Nobody whose opinion is worth considering gives a shit about a fat girl on a billboard or giving a comic book character smaller titties But you bring up a good point, a lot of men are like that. So here's another bullet point to add to the list: getting conservatives out of any kind of position of power
/r/PurplePillDebate25/04/25 03:34 PM
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What does “addressing workplace inequality” involve? This is starting to get above my pay grade but here's a good article written by actual experts We already address gendered violence; I’m sure cracking down further will make men….unhappy Yes there are going to be some men who are unhappy about it but we need to keep fighting the good fight regardless It already is illegal to discriminate based on appearance Common misconception actually, appearance is not a protected class here in the US
/r/PurplePillDebate25/04/25 03:21 PM
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That is just straight up not what I said at all
/r/PurplePillDebate25/04/25 03:02 PM
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Unless the nerd CEO is the founder of a gene editing startup, you've only listed examples of people succeeding in spite of their genetic hand, not improving it. And yes, the distinction is important. To claim that people can improve the hand they're dealt is to fundamentally misunderstand the way that the world works and to minimize the effects of genetic luck on life outcomes in general. Also if you think everybody gets an equal shot at becoming a CEO or having a successful career in entertainm…
/r/PurplePillDebate25/04/25 02:59 PM
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Nobody is a victim of any one person's choice in particular. However to look at a world where some suffer more because of factors entirely out of their control and throw your hands up and go "welp, nothing we can do about it" is completely morally bankrupt imo. There are ways to make dating outcomes better for everyone without impinging on people's free will to choose their partners. There are things you can do to improve your genetic hand Did nobody else catch this? What the fuck are you talkin…
/r/PurplePillDebate25/04/25 01:15 PM
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No I'm affirming a completely different kind of sexism lmao get it right The original comment was saying that women are all blameless damsels who would never put up with any kind of bad behavior unless they're literally forced to, and men are horny idiots that will put up with anything if it means they can get their dick wet. I'm saying that the deck is so stacked against men in dating that women will take way more than they give because they know you need them more than they need you, but if yo…
/r/PurplePillDebate25/04/25 01:06 PM
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Women don't care about meaningless athletic accomplishments like your fucking mile time lmao. In college I could do all that (except bench 2 plates) and was still a virgin, ironically until after I quit lifting. If you mean "be built" then say that, don't throw out these arbitrary hoops to jump through the only commonality is everyone is built Really doubt that that's the only commonality - being coordinated, going to parties regularly, social skills etc. probably play way more of a factor regul…
/r/PurplePillDebate25/04/25 03:43 AM
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Or because having to choose between putting up with constant bullshit or never feeling the touch of a woman without paying is just a choice that a lot of men have to make
/r/PurplePillDebate25/04/25 01:43 AM
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"If a woman is putting up with shit from a man then she must be a victim of low self esteem or an abusive financial situation" "If a man is putting up with shit from a woman then it's because he's so horny it makes him irrational" This fucking subreddit man I swear
/r/PurplePillDebate25/04/25 12:37 AM
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Speak for yourself, I tried lowering my standards for sex and I ended up enjoying it a lot. I have in the pasts longed, ached, obsessed over getting a man I wanted to touch me to touch me Yeah I remember being 16 too. Except then I realized that these kinds of obsessions are totally pointless and if you want things like sex and love then you need to direct your energy towards people who might actually like you. And this isn't a case of "I pulled myself up by my bootstraps because I'm so great" -…
/r/PurplePillDebate24/04/25 05:48 PM
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Lowering your standards is possible if you're truly desperate - this is the basis behind assortative mating. If you haven't experienced that then you probably haven't been truly desperate before, and I have no sympathy for people who haven't experienced that level of hardship. Why don’t men just be happy with masturbating? Well, you're right that masturbation is not as good sex no matter who you are. But when you think about who gets closer to the real thing, it's clear why men are less satisfie…
/r/PurplePillDebate24/04/25 04:06 PM
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It's been proven time and time again numerous studies that women are indeed miles behind men when it comes to their sexual drive and hunger than men are For fuck's sake why do people say shit like this and then not include the proof. This thread is gonna be a disaster if nobody bothers to bring any evidence
/r/PurplePillDebate24/04/25 03:45 PM
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You're confusing two different definitions of "bad". When men on this sub say short=bad, they mean "being short will lead to worse outcomes in dating." Vilifying short men would mean saying "short men are worse as people." And the former is easily replicable in research, here are couple examples: https://www.ntdaily.com/news/height-still-a-major-factor-when-choosing-a-romantic-partner/article_6828342f-af0a-5c9a-b6d5-0924f0098b30.html https://pmc.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/articles/PMC9454610/ People who t…
/r/PurplePillDebate24/04/25 03:44 PM
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Pointing out that women often have height requirements is not "vilifying short men." Show me one example of a man in this sub saying something negative about short men
/r/PurplePillDebate24/04/25 03:26 PM
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If I was a man, I would just, you know, do everything right. See? It's easy! ^ how you all sound
/r/PurplePillDebate24/04/25 03:17 PM
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I think this is an unfortunate case of the English language not having the proper words to convey what you're trying to talk about here. Because sometimes feeling lonely while regularly turning people who want to connect with you away because they're not physically attractive enough is not loneliness, it's something else. Feeling sexually frustrated but not being willing to have sex with the dozens of people who would love to have sex with you is not sexual frustration. It's not frustration if i…
/r/PurplePillDebate24/04/25 03:12 PM
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The level of sexual frustration and loneliness that a single woman goes through is nothing compared to what a single man goes through. The fact that all you have to do to get attention is show up to a bar is proof of that. I'm sorry you've been in relationships where your needs weren't met. That's something that hurts the same regardless of your gender. But it's not relevant here - this post is about dating culture, i.e. single people.
/r/PurplePillDebate24/04/25 12:38 PM
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Nah it's true unfortunately. Here's an article on how men value relationships more and suffer greater consequences from breakups than women It's easier for women to develop closer friendships that better fulfill their emotional intimacy needs because they aren't fighting social programming that tells them to hide their feelings. Whereas men are told that it's only ever ok to confide in your partner so we end up becoming more dependent on them.
/r/PurplePillDebate24/04/25 01:06 AM
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In the case of goals, they don't have to be ignored. Goals can change. If you've seriously never seen someone who normally goes for relationships decide that what they want right now is a one night stand then I really don't know what to tell you.
/r/PurplePillDebate22/04/25 08:09 PM
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Ok, and my point is that a woman can decide that what she wants right now is casual sex, but a man can't ever decide to just be gay for a night. So for the woman, always having guys available for casual sex is a win, but for the man, having gay guys available for casual sex is not a win.
/r/PurplePillDebate22/04/25 07:38 PM
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Curious if you have a source on that. This article describes an experiment where subjecting people to 10 hours of social isolation was enough for them to start craving social contact again. In general, solitary confinement is known to be borderline torture. Remember how awful quarantine was for people who lived alone?
/r/PurplePillDebate22/04/25 07:31 PM
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Yes, that's pretty much exactly what I said: decide after a few times that it's not all it's cracked up to be What I'm saying is most men don't even have that. You want to try out a one night stand once or twice? Good luck lmao. Better be prepared to download every dating app and hit the bar at last call every friday and saturday night, and still face the possibility of doing all that for months or years and still ending up with nothing.
/r/PurplePillDebate22/04/25 07:27 PM
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No but I don't see how people can spend 100+ hours/week alone with their thoughts and not feel lonely or isolated at all
/r/PurplePillDebate22/04/25 07:18 PM
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Most people aren't promiscuous all the time. A lot of women have "hoe phases" where they decide they want to have no strings attached sex, decide after a few times that it's not all it's cracked up to be, and then look for something serious secure in the knowledge that it's what they want. Consequently, a lot of men decide they want to have no strings attached sex, can't find it, and then realize if they ever want to experience the touch of a woman again then the only way is to look for somethin…
/r/PurplePillDebate22/04/25 07:14 PM
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I see what you were saying in that top comment now - however I think it's wildly unfair to put sexuality in the same category as preferences and desired relationship outcomes. Sexuality, for the most part, you're stuck with whatever you're born with. Preferences can change over time and desired relationship outcome changes all the time. For a person seeking casual sex, their desired relationship outcome is casual sex, so I don't even see how that's relevant. As for preferences, I really doubt a …
/r/PurplePillDebate22/04/25 07:10 PM
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A good place to start would be this article, it's a great read and has a ton of useful info linked Personally the way I found out about this stuff was from Malcolm Gladwell books. In Tipping Point he talks about how people's brains are wired to live in communities of ~300 and in Outliers he talks about how living in a friendly community could explain the mysteriously low rate of illness and death in a tiny village in Italy
/r/PurplePillDebate22/04/25 07:02 PM
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How you can call it "not the win you think it is" when there are people who really enjoy it
/r/PurplePillDebate22/04/25 06:57 PM
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Being wanted for a quick fuck isn’t the win y’all think it is How do you explain the many women who've had casual sex and enjoyed it? Just having the option is a big win even if you don't use it
/r/PurplePillDebate22/04/25 06:51 PM
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Ok fair enough, sheer number of hours alone is not enough to determine whether someone is feeling isolated. But the article recommends that social interaction is not only regular but also frequent. Think about it this way. Let's say you get your 5 friend hours on saturday night and your 5 family hours on sunday because those are the only times you can fit it into your schedule. Monday through friday you're gonna be feeling lonely and isolated.
/r/PurplePillDebate22/04/25 06:50 PM
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According to this article we need 7-21 hours/week. Although the specific number doesn't change my original point
/r/PurplePillDebate22/04/25 06:37 PM
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I haven't studied law so I can't say exactly how you would go about it, but the principle is that you want to go after the people who are profiting off exploitation. In practice the people who make profits off those kind of websites are the owners and stockholders.
/r/PurplePillDebate22/04/25 06:32 PM
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Well yeah, that's what our brains are wired for. And I'm not saying all 20 hours are spent with the same person
/r/PurplePillDebate22/04/25 06:27 PM
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In case the link isn't working for anyone else, replace "np" with "old"
/r/PurplePillDebate22/04/25 06:23 PM
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In this day and age, having an active social life probably means seeing friends like 20 hours a week (and that's being generous, for a lot of people it's just 5-10 hours on the weekend). So if you sleep 8 hours/day (another modern pipe dream) then that's still 92 hours of solitude per week. Pretty lonely if you ask me
/r/PurplePillDebate22/04/25 06:17 PM
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Prostitution should be legal; soliciting or managing prostitutes should be illegal. Sex requires enthusiastic consent. Under capitalism, no one consents to labor (we are coerced with the other option being starvation), and definitely not enthusiastically. So soliciting sex work is unethical under capitalism no matter how well you regulate it. If humanity ever reached a point where we no longer have to work to live, and we could guarantee that the only people who chose to do sex work are those wh…
/r/PurplePillDebate22/04/25 05:14 PM
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How?
/r/PurplePillDebate21/04/25 11:41 PM
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Calling a deepfake "satire" is deranged. As if people were sitting around watching it like "ah what a biting commentary on the US house of representatives." No, the goal was to use somebody's likeness against their will so depraved dudes could get their rocks off. Maybe it doesn't sound that bad to you, but you'll never be in her shoes so try and have some empathy.
/r/PurplePillDebate21/04/25 07:00 PM
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If your status as a man comes from convincing people that you never feel fear or insecurity then yes, your masculinity is fragile. If your status as a man comes from convincing people that you sometimes feel "un-manly" emotions but do your best anyway, then it will be a lot harder to knock you down. Take Alexandria Ocasio-Cortez, a woman which is considered high class and virtuous. And she felt traumatized after seeing deepfake porn of herself. She didn't feel traumatized because she was thinkin…
/r/PurplePillDebate21/04/25 02:09 PM
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Think of tipping as a donation to help wealth inequality here
/r/PurplePillDebate21/04/25 01:54 PM
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That's not the same thing, you've probably been with plenty of normal men as well. Try and imagine how you'd feel if those boyfriends were the only people you'd dated
/r/PurplePillDebate21/04/25 12:03 PM
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Is this supposed to make me feel better? I'm a below average man and I've only ever been with women who had an extremely specific type that I fit to a T. I suppose it's nice to know that these women exist, but it doesn't change the fact that the level of romantic attention I get is well below what other people get, and well below what I feel like I would need in order to be reasonably happy. Not to mention the hit to my self esteem of knowing that my partner is only with me because I check a box…
/r/PurplePillDebate21/04/25 04:43 AM
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In my experience women in relationships do this more than anyone. Some people just love playing matchmaker - it lets them experience the thrill of a new relationship vicariously, potentially introduces a new friend into the group, or maybe they just like helping people
/r/PurplePillDebate21/04/25 04:14 AM
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Does "Choose better" assume there's an abundance of good options? No, "choose better" assumes the following: There are some good options - maybe rare, but still there if you look hard enough With some effort, you can learn to discern a good option from a bad option It seems like "choose better" is bundled with this notion that there is better Well, why wouldn't there be? We all have no choice but to operate under the assumption that there's someone out there for us. Why do you think it would be …
/r/PurplePillDebate20/04/25 06:33 PM
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Does OP think we can predict the future? I would be shocked if there's anyone on this subreddit (or anywhere, really) who's even remotely qualified to answer this question
/r/PurplePillDebate20/04/25 03:16 PM
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It's really nice and refreshing to see a guy who struggles with dating treated with respect and sympathy in this thread
/r/PurplePillDebate20/04/25 12:24 AM
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I don't like being friends with single women because I can't stand listening to their dating "problems." It's either shit that makes me feel incredibly self conscious ("tall men are so hot, why are only short men into me", they say to me, a short man) or incredibly envious (complaining about a 2 month dry spell when I'm pushing 2 years)
/r/PurplePillDebate20/04/25 12:13 AM
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None of the citations posted by the OP listed their methodology, only that they collected data from “surveys” This is just straight up not true, if you read any of the articles you can see that they have at least some details about the participants and how they were recruited. Here's an example from the 3D model survey: Volunteer were recruited by flyers around the California university campus, the neighborhood, and local physicians’ offices. The flyers stated that women were requested to volunt…
/r/PurplePillDebate19/04/25 11:03 PM
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It’s biology, it’s logic, it’s millions of years of evolution or divine design, whatever makes sense to you. Sure but that's not my point. My point is that being rejected based on an immutable body trait is really painful. That's why guys care so much that they're posting dick size threads 24/7. That's why they aren't taking anything but the most convincing evidence imaginable for an answer, because they're hurt and anxious. These threads are ensuring the crab bucket is always full, they don’t h…
/r/PurplePillDebate19/04/25 10:26 PM
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If this hypothetical guy exudes energy that arouses women but still ends up with an average woman as opposed to a stacy/stacylite, would he be ok with that?
/r/PurplePillDebate19/04/25 07:49 PM
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You're asking two different questions here. Your title is asking "how can a guy who lacks sex appeal find a girl who likes him for who he is as opposed to what resources he can provide her." Whereas the body of your post is asking "how can a 5 bag a 7+". To answer the second question, who gives a shit, don't be so shallow. To answer the first, my best guess would be to look for signals that she's genuinely attracted to you that are costly and/or hard to fake. If anyone has a better answer than t…
/r/PurplePillDebate19/04/25 07:42 PM
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Mediocre people get stuck with mediocre relationships Okay that's an incredibly pessimistic way to put it lol. Average people can still experience happiness and fulfillment in relationships with other average people, is how I would word it
/r/PurplePillDebate19/04/25 07:33 PM
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It's also not feasible to measure how much people actually like hamburgers, summer, or the color green Sure it is. You can ask people what their favorite season or their favorite color is, or how much they like burgers on a scale of 1-10 or how they'd rank it compared to other foods. There's no way to measure on an absolute scale how much a person likes a thing, but you can approximate it by breaking it into answerable questions that might not be 100% accurate but are better than nothing. The "s…
/r/PurplePillDebate19/04/25 07:28 PM
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Then what's even the point of these discussions? If it really is all just based on vibes then how do you have a productive conversation without talking past each other and tilting at windmills?
/r/PurplePillDebate19/04/25 06:14 PM
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Individuals are chiming in on a subjective preference, which doesn’t negate research. Opinions are subjective, none of this “research” actually measured the women’s preferred partners. Are you saying that in order for any research to be fully valid, it's not enough to just ask women their opinions, you have to actually go and measure their favorite dicks? I suppose that would be more accurate but it's not feasible at all. One of the studies in this post arrived at ~6 inches by showing women 3D m…
/r/PurplePillDebate19/04/25 03:02 PM
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Ok first of all, if you're going to make an argument about 4 billion people, you're gonna need some scientific evidence. Your personal experience might be applicable to the wider population of men but without any evidence, there's no way to know. Second of all, what's your point? Because even if all of what you've said is true, you've still only made half an argument. If you're trying to claim that men are worse partners than women, then how good are women as partners? Let's do a full accounting…
/r/PurplePillDebate19/04/25 02:41 PM
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It's hilarious how much the goalposts have shifted in the whole PPD size debate "Stop making so many threads asking women what dick size we prefer, we hate answering this question and it's getting exhausting" "Here's a compilation of research asking thousands of women what dick size they prefer - here you go, now you can all stop making threads about it" "Well why did you have to go and find a study? Why couldn't you have just asked us? Also the fact that you did all this research means you're a…
/r/PurplePillDebate19/04/25 02:17 PM
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You get what you want without the indignity of having to ask for it or the guilt of finding pleasure in it This is true for the protagonist of the story, but not the reader. The reader is finding pleasure in it either way. How could finding pleasure in a rape fantasy possibly be less guilt inducing than finding pleasure in a fantasy about consensual sex?
/r/PurplePillDebate18/04/25 11:49 PM
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fantasising about a man we already know and find attractive being dominant and doing all the things we want to do but are too repressed to ask for I don't understand this. Why not just fantasize about not being too repressed to ask for those things? Or if it's about not having to ask, then why not fantasize about having those things happen in a consensual encounter?
/r/PurplePillDebate18/04/25 11:43 PM
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Not OP but I think the connotation he's angling for is less "controlling" and more "deceitful." Trying to trick people is in general kind of mean
/r/PurplePillDebate16/04/25 01:47 PM
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I think both the red and black pill folks hugely overestimate the amount of attention available to women, because they lump in all of the "wanna fuk"s and "hiiiii"s and "show me your tits!" in with anything that's serious and desirable to a woman They're not overestimating, they're just calculating differently. You're thinking on an absolute scale, i.e. "how much attention does a woman get." When a man does it, he's thinking "how much attention does a woman get relative to what I get." Let's say…
/r/PurplePillDebate16/04/25 01:21 PM
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Did you get the bit about me encouraging my girlfriends (here I mean friends that are women, not women I'm fucking) to take the reigns - meaning here, to take the initiative? I saw that, but do they actually do it? Or do they go "but it's hard :(" and wait for a man to ask them out anyway? Because I've only seen the latter. But I also think that a lot of your statements about who has the most to lose are pretty mired in redpill ideology I think you mean blackpill. Afaik redpillers are completely…
/r/PurplePillDebate16/04/25 03:56 AM
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It's when there's a lot of "men are expected to initiate and it's not fair!" from men who aren't actually doing any initiating, but also wanting dates, that I want to roll my eyes a bit. I get why you would roll your eyes at this but I think most people read this argument as just crying about having to do work when really there's so much more to it than that. Think how many problems it would fix if women took on the role of making the first move. Women don't have to fear for their lives when say…
/r/PurplePillDebate16/04/25 01:02 AM
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I had good experience with average bc that's the only way the guy can stimulate the clit+vagina at the same time. Like, without his mouth/hands? Can you elaborate on this?
/r/PurplePillDebate15/04/25 11:46 PM
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With endless options available feels like we should be more satisfied I'm sorry who the fuck is this "we"? Most people don't have "endless options" even with dating apps Too much choice doesn’t always mean more freedom Hot take incoming: yes it does. People who complain about having too many options are whiny babies who need to lock tf in and take some responsibility for their choices. Literally every dating app has an option to pause your profile, if you can't be bothered to do that then I don'…
/r/PurplePillDebate15/04/25 04:28 AM
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Being good at school is actually portrayed as a “nice to have, if you’re also very good at sports.” Honestly I don't even know about that. Pretty much all the guys I knew who were good at school had to play it off like it was nothing, because trying in class wasn't cool. I remember in middle school I used to wish I was dumber so I could fit in better with the cool kids.
/r/PurplePillDebate15/04/25 01:13 AM
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Is the data in the room with us
/r/PurplePillDebate15/04/25 12:57 AM
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Yeah and when video games depict killing, they typically do so under those circumstances that make it justified (e.g. the bad guy is gonna kill you if you don't kill him first)
/r/PurplePillDebate15/04/25 12:52 AM
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Honestly, the research I end up doing in order to fact check lazy people on reddit is usually way more valuable and interesting than whatever stupid shit I'm arguing about. So it's worth it to me even if the discussion itself ends up being unsatisfying (which internet arguments usually do). I'm gonna forget about this dumb thread the moment I log off but "70% of women expect men to financially support a family compared to 25% of men who expect the same of women" is a genuinely interesting fact t…
/r/PurplePillDebate15/04/25 12:43 AM
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But this term “provider” is vague Is it? In this context I've only ever seen it used it as a synonym for "breadwinner" Personally I think men are morons to marry a woman that doesn’t work or doesn’t want to Who the fuck wants to work? Who actually likes this shit? Not to mention that working doesn't always mean financially providing, sometimes it means homemaking. Even the dudes who marry genuine bums, I imagine they're only doing it because the other option is dying alone. I don’t think I have …
/r/PurplePillDebate14/04/25 03:53 PM
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It means the latter, but I'm gonna caveat that with what I told someone else in this thread: Recall from the graphic that 39% of women believe a woman should help support the family. That means if you're a straight man in the US and you start a relationship with a woman, there is a 61% chance that she doesn't think she needs to help support the family. Obviously there can't be no breadwinner, right? Which means the responsibility falls on you, the man. In other words, assuming that we're only ta…
/r/PurplePillDebate14/04/25 03:39 PM
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Fair enough, but the reason nobody talks about 90s cartoons the way they talk about anime is that they're not popular the way anime is. most shonens I know of are TV-14 You mean like, rated TV-14 by the FCC? Because that's based on a review of the content of the show performed by an American governmental agency, not a statement of who the intended audience is. Shonen anime is typically adapted from shonen manga which is marketed to kids in Japan, regardless of how we classify it as Americans. Al…
/r/PurplePillDebate14/04/25 03:33 PM
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how many TV G or TV Y rated animes out there sexualize their characters Honestly no clue. The only baby anime I can even think of is Crayon Shin-chan, which I've never seen but wikipedia says heavily features sexual innuendo. animes made for teenagers and adults aren't "aimed at a child audience." Sure, but the most popular demographic is shonen anime which is aimed at ages ~9-18. And I think we all know how pervy that genre can be.
/r/PurplePillDebate14/04/25 03:08 PM
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"I expect a man to be able to provide financially for a family" and "I expect the man to be the primary breadwinner" are two different things That is completely true, and yet I don't think it changes things much. At least in the context of this post, where OP is clearly arguing from a place of personal feelings as opposed to a purely rational evaluation of the data. Think of things from his perspective. Recall from the graphic that 39% of women believe a woman should help support the family. Tha…
/r/PurplePillDebate14/04/25 02:52 PM
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I say this as a low value man and an anime fan, but I think there's a totally valid reason why people have problems with anime but not straight up pornography. There's something uniquely creepy and gross about the way a lot of anime shoehorns objectification of girls (sometimes underage) into otherwise innocent and fun (or at least nonsexual) cartoons, especially when they're aimed at a child audience. Granted, I don't agree with disgust-based politics, nor do I think the platforms should pull t…
/r/PurplePillDebate14/04/25 02:38 PM
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That's fine. I'm not trying to police anyone's attitude here, I'm just pointing out what the statistics are.
/r/PurplePillDebate14/04/25 02:27 PM
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We should all be so lucky
/r/PurplePillDebate14/04/25 02:20 PM
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It's why whenever I mention these two facts, the guaranteed reply is "Here's why you're actually a feminist even though you just said you aren't a feminist." I feel like this was true until 2018 or so, when it was revealed that many outspoken male feminists (most notably Joss Whedon) were using their "one of the good ones" status to get away with preying on women. After that, I remember the message being that if you're a man, even if you fully agree with feminism, you're not supposed to call you…
/r/PurplePillDebate14/04/25 02:17 PM
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It says 71% of women and 72% of men: While a nearly equal share of men and women say a man needs to be able to provide for his family to be a good husband or partner (72% and 71%, respectively) It's right here in this chart too I don't appreciate you insinuating I didn't read the article when you very clearly didn't read past the third paragraph. If you had read one paragraph further you would've seen that you're wrong.
/r/PurplePillDebate14/04/25 02:05 PM
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In the US at least, there is pretty much zero expectation for this It genuinely pains me how lazy people on this subreddit are when it comes to actually backing up their claims with evidence. According to this study, 72% of women see being able to support a family financially as necessary for being a good partner, compared to 25% of men who believe the same of women. This stuff is not hard to find, all I had to do was search "do women expect men to provide study" and scroll down to like the fift…
/r/PurplePillDebate14/04/25 01:52 PM
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