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Sure, but RP goes way further than standards and values - there are step by step guides. Bloops don't consciously apply procedural approaches to socialising. The BP stuff is also more about morality. It's great to get laid, but not at any expense. You're also right in pointing that out - forgot for a minute that "alpha" means something different in BP/RP than elsewhere. It seems a pity to boil all that good self-actualisation stuff down to SMV though. What's so fantastical and self destructive? …
/r/PurplePillDebate17/05/17 10:15 PM
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It implies it, but it's also a lazy throwaway reply which probably shouldn't be given too much weight. The actual reason is probably usually a mixture of asshole, creepy, socially inept, poor appearance.
/r/PurplePillDebate17/05/17 10:02 PM
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They're not what, sorry? You're quite right that right/wrong in this context are really subjective. Incredibly dependent on life experience.
/r/PurplePillDebate17/05/17 09:43 PM
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By bloops? Being nice is not the same thing as being a "nice guy". People in general respond well to kindness, and bloops in general hate "nice guys".
/r/PurplePillDebate17/05/17 10:40 AM
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Is BP aware that women can enjoy and pursue casual sex? Erm, yes. We're fine with it.
/r/PurplePillDebate17/05/17 09:50 AM
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I can't say I've ever had the impression that the BP mindset (which I agree, in a loose sense, exists) advocates being beta or not being alpha. There is nothing wrong with being alpha. It doesn't require treating women (or anyone) badly. But I doubt that a legitimate alpha would ever get involved with RP. I've never seen bloop sexual strategy discussed sincerely. I don't think one exists, even as unconscious group-think. In general, I think BP finds consciously/explicitly applying strategy to re…
/r/PurplePillDebate17/05/17 09:46 AM
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"Hey you're wrong because x" is a perfectly valid argument. Nothing logically fallacious so far as I can see. But the unspoken alternative is always respecting women and socialising like a normal, healthy person (or making positive efforts towards that).
/r/PurplePillDebate17/05/17 09:17 AM
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That's the whole point of BP, so it shouldn't be surprising that's the vast majority of its content.
/r/PurplePillDebate17/05/17 09:13 AM
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I don't think anyone has or would deny that's what we're doing. Why would BP need a competing ideology to have an argument though? What's wrong with "your ideology sucks"?
/r/PurplePillDebate17/05/17 08:23 AM
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BPers have a lot of common ground, but there aren't instructions on how to be a good bloop cuck with Correct thoughts in the sidebar AFAIK.
/r/PurplePillDebate17/05/17 08:20 AM
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I don't think BP has ever suggested that one should act "beta". BP doesn't have a codified ideology. It's just for making fun of RP.
/r/PurplePillDebate17/05/17 07:32 AM
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I enjoy rants that say a lot more about the author's psychology than anything else.
/r/MGTOW08/03/17 12:44 AM
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Thanks! Perhaps that is normal, it might be hard for me to comment on the cultural context as I'm not American. But even if you do get all that "women are wonderful" stuff as a child, I feel that it normally wanes when you have lived experience of girls/women to draw your own conclusions from.
/r/PurplePillDebate01/11/16 10:21 PM
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I don't think it's any more complicated, in general, than relatively normal socialisation during childhood and adolescence.
/r/PurplePillDebate01/11/16 09:49 PM
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No. Not necessarily because I'm averse to differences of opinion but because, as OP says, political ideology is a strong proxy for one's attitudes and morals. The idea that socialism is "tribal" and "testosterone-induced" seems fucked though, capitalism is far more coded with ideals of masculinity, conquest etc.
/r/PurplePillDebate20/10/16 09:09 AM
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I have a feeling this boils down to a lack of coding for extremity, i.e. "I will rape and murder you" vs. "m8 ur a dumb fuck".
/r/PurplePillDebate19/04/16 09:50 PM
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meet a girl that I can sleep with and date for a few months. What about LTRs?
/r/PurplePillDebate12/01/16 07:55 PM
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Human interaction has far more to do with emotion than with the application of poor logic to cherry-picked evopsych papers.
/r/PurplePillDebate03/01/16 05:05 PM
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I dom her in the bedroom, when we both feel like it. She seems to enjoy that. Then I make her a cup of tea and we watch movies and cuddle. Because what people want in a sexual context does not typically relate at all to what they want in a romantic one. There's no denying that, for example, rape porn is popular with women. Many women have rape fantasies. You make the mistake of assuming that what people fantasise about is something they actually want for real.
/r/PurplePillDebate29/12/15 11:41 PM
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I don't think the material women jerk off to has anything but, at best, an extremely tenuous relation to what they desire in a real relationship.
/r/PurplePillDebate29/12/15 11:38 PM
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25, M, native English speaker 31/36, which surprised me as I felt I was guessing quite a bit. Pretty interesting, I enjoy these sorts of things.
/r/PurplePillDebate29/12/15 10:36 PM
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Well, I'm excited to see how this goes!
/r/PurplePillDebate29/12/15 05:23 PM
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Is anyone going to answer anything other than your SO cheating on you? 25, M, blue
/r/PurplePillDebate29/12/15 05:21 PM
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It's partially because men are more prone to sexual aggression and harassment. A woman can say she wants to fuck you, as lewd as she likes, but you're not likely to be looking over your shoulder on the walk home because of it - there's less likely to be a threat (perceived or otherwise) of sexual violence.
/r/PurplePillDebate29/12/15 03:59 PM
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Start sending women unsolicited dick pics and let us know what your positive response rate is like. For science.
/r/PurplePillDebate29/12/15 03:54 PM
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It certainly forms part of a first impression (though there's a lot more to appearance than your physicality - smiling, warm and open body language, groomed and dressed well etc.), and being conventionally unattractive isn't going to make things easier, but IMHO what's really important in forming relationships is the way you make other people feel. I don't think you need to go into anything with the mindset of having to compensate for your perceived poor looks. You're probably not going to win o…
/r/PurplePillDebate29/12/15 03:39 PM
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You're assuming that relationships/attraction are predicated exclusively on physical appearance, and that people have no other qualities though.
/r/PurplePillDebate29/12/15 03:09 PM
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As people have said, your assumptions are simply incorrect. They may apply to some women, but certainly not all of them.
/r/PurplePillDebate29/12/15 11:11 AM
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Right, anything aside from actually interacting with women yourself. Biotroofs don't play out as you'd expect in the real world. And erotica/successful fishermen are, at best, what women want when they want to have sex. Plenty of women do enjoy being dominated in the bedroom, but it doesn't mean that's what they want day to day.
/r/PurplePillDebate29/12/15 11:08 AM
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People enjoy spending time with people who make them feel at ease and accepted. When you view romantic relationships as some sort of dominance/resource struggle, even though you don't vocalise it, that's going to bleed through.
/r/PurplePillDebate28/12/15 10:52 PM
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Aw c'mon man, you know full well I don't have any evidence whatsoever. Not least because there's no objective measure of personal decency. If you routinely approach women, maybe get first dates semi-regularly, but nothing ever comes of it, what's the alternative explanation to something being wrong with you? All of those women are somehow defective? And yeah, maybe you are a legitimately nice dude who's just terrible with women. But IME most of the men who'd have you believe that start referring…
/r/PurplePillDebate28/12/15 10:50 PM
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They gotta be chubby or fat, I find that the opposite of repulsive. That's the only must I can think of.
/r/PurplePillDebate28/12/15 08:10 PM
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I don't think either pill will have any consensus on this. For myself, there isn't one unless you construct it yourself.
/r/PurplePillDebate28/12/15 07:55 PM
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You're right, I have likely been overzealous. I don't aim to offend genuinely nice dudes who simply don't have any luck with women, they have my sympathy. But IME many who would claim to be in that position pretty much resent women, whether they can bring themselves to admit it or not.
/r/PurplePillDebate28/12/15 07:33 PM
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Naw, I'm in a LTR. Look honestly I'll make fun of people who have horrible ideas about women/general human socialisation and then can't get over the indignity of women not wanting anything to do with them whether I'm getting any or not.
/r/PurplePillDebate28/12/15 05:15 PM
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As in, I do get laid so why would I be projecting about it? I'm not going to say that I effortlessly pick up women whenever I feel like it or something, and I don't have any "game", but I'm able to meet women who enjoy my company and whose I enjoy. Pretty comfortable with where I'm at. Yeah sure just let me scan in all my sex receipts, give me a minute.
/r/PurplePillDebate28/12/15 05:05 PM
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Oh sorry, yes I can certainly see that.
/r/PurplePillDebate28/12/15 04:59 PM
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But I... do get laid?
/r/PurplePillDebate28/12/15 04:55 PM
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Well yeah if we're talking about terper/anti-feminist men's conceptions of victimhood (nobody will touch my dingus).
/r/PurplePillDebate28/12/15 04:51 PM
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I should have been clearer in places, but there's a post nested above this one where I've clearly referred to being rejected by a succession of people. Does that mean you agree with my properly qualified point? Or are you just arguing semantics to no particular end. What, pray tell, am I projecting?
/r/PurplePillDebate28/12/15 04:44 PM
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I dunno, we are all really mean and posting from human thrones of painfully contorted HB10s so...
/r/PurplePillDebate28/12/15 04:20 PM
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I guess I must imagine it all? Thanks for setting me straight bro.
/r/PurplePillDebate28/12/15 04:11 PM
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I've taken pains to make clear that I'm talking about people who interact with women a lot, probably go on plenty of dates, and are never successful.
/r/PurplePillDebate28/12/15 04:09 PM
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I'm sorry you had a shitty youth, but people not wanting to sleep with you doesn't make you a victim. I dunno, the misfits/forgotten dudes sometimes... shoot a lot of people?
/r/PurplePillDebate28/12/15 04:08 PM
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Not at all, you could be indifferent about getting laid and it would say nothing about your quality as a person. It's if you can't find anyone who will touch your dingus despite interacting with a lot of women that I'll assume there's likely something objectionable about you. You could attack my point, by arguing that lots of nice people are just really bad at social interaction (which would frankly be a good argument I'd likely have to concede to, 'cause I'm pretty much shitposting here), but y…
/r/PurplePillDebate28/12/15 04:01 PM
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But being smart, hard working and not breaking the law (unless you're talking about assaulting random people or something else clearly bad - law, generally, is not an arbiter of morality) does not correlate to being of good character. You can do all of those things and still be a jerk. I was clumsy when I said it was in general a good proxy though. It's only the not getting laid, and being continually rejected by women, that is. Because then either there's something wrong with all women ever, or…
/r/PurplePillDebate28/12/15 03:32 PM
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But I didn't say that men who can get laid necessarily aren't defective! Because a lot of them are! You're assuming conditions which I have not stipulated. I've had perfectly satisfactory sexual and romantic success with my sick ~true blue~ being nice to people tactics thx
/r/PurplePillDebate28/12/15 02:55 PM
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If you're going on dates with a lot of women and they're all eager to get away from you, then yeah, you're probably a bad person. I detest all ugly and shy men. It's not anything to do with attitudes towards women. Those Chad misogynists are fine by me! We're the decent person supremacy association yes.
/r/PurplePillDebate28/12/15 02:49 PM
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If it were a just world then Thailand would be a more prosperous country, whose women wouldn't have to sleep with gross Westerners who can't get any in their own country in order to provide a better standard of life/green card for their families and children.
/r/PurplePillDebate28/12/15 02:46 PM
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I said that if you have attempted to get laid/form relationships a lot, and can't, you're probably an asshole. This does not imply that assholes can't get laid or form relationships. Gandhi was a racist.
/r/PurplePillDebate28/12/15 02:36 PM
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Totally, assholes can get laid too. It's not that being able to necessarily makes you a good person.
/r/PurplePillDebate28/12/15 02:31 PM
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Again, I can't relate to any of that. What about... all the nice stuff she does for me? The thoughtful little gifts, loving notes, cups of tea made, emotional support and empathy etc? She never has (or would) nag me to buy stuff for her. She has her own money. And she seems pretty happy to do nice things for me when I ask her, which is why I do the same for her.
/r/PurplePillDebate28/12/15 02:30 PM
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It's not just the lack of success which I'm saying is probably symptomatic of your being a jerk - it's the continual rejection. People continually judging you as not someone they want in their lives. I'm not passing comment on shy dudes. It's also not "even" ugly people. Being physically ugly is no massive bar to finding someone. You probably won't be with a HB10, but it's not like you're likely to be willing to date anyone markedly less attractive than yourself either. If you have a nasty perso…
/r/PurplePillDebate28/12/15 02:25 PM
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I'm going to go out on a limb and say that, in my experience, one's likability as a person is fairly well correlated with one's likability as a romantic partner. You don't have to be a suave motherfucker like Chad to be able to find a partner. Just a kind, decent and fun person.
/r/PurplePillDebate28/12/15 02:18 PM
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I think it's more like we're in thrall to each other, i.e. we're in a loving relationship. She really doesn't ask much of me except company and affection, which I'm happy to give. We cuddle and watch movies, cook for each other, fuck, go out and do nice things (for which she pays half)? The only thing I do more than her is roll joints. But not because she's unwilling, I'm just better at it.
/r/PurplePillDebate28/12/15 01:59 PM
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I'm sorry about your life and dysfunctional beliefs. You've succeeded in making me pity a misogynist, so congrats. The fucked up thing is that you probably pity me too.
/r/PurplePillDebate28/12/15 01:49 PM
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But I'm not particularly wealthy, charming, muscular or fit. I don't do things asked of me if I think them unreasonable, and I won't tolerate a one-sided relationship. Nor will I take responsibility for the consequences of anyone else's behaviour. Am I unknowingly an alpha as fuck BPer or something?
/r/PurplePillDebate28/12/15 01:48 PM
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Then I'd refer you to my first point. If lots of people dislike you, there's a common denominator. You are probably (note that I've been careful to caveat this throughout) a shitty person. What's the alternative? Surely there's either something wrong with you, or something wrong with all of them? When I said unattractive men get laid/cultivate relationships all the time, I was referring to physically unattractive men. I have personally known men who are ugly, shy, poor dressers etc. and are perf…
/r/PurplePillDebate28/12/15 01:40 PM
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Can you give examples of these unreasonable demands and standards?
/r/PurplePillDebate28/12/15 01:32 PM
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I'm sorry you've had bad experiences with women, but the things you believe are utterly fucked and are going to do the exact opposite of improving those experiences by colouring your relationships with them and creating a self-fulfilling prophecy. I've met lots of women who are caring, empathetic, giving and generally nice people. As before, I am at a total loss in relating that to my lived experience. I've not met any women who expect me to do everything for them. In relationships, we help each…
/r/PurplePillDebate28/12/15 01:30 PM
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I have never met a woman who that was true of. Not at all to say there aren't women who think like that, I'm sure there are, but it's very far from being all women. Are you talking about compliance with reasonable demands? If so, that's just interpersonal relationships. Usefulness is surely a two way street in relationships. I do things for her, she does things for me. I struggle to relate any of this to my lived experience of dating women.
/r/PurplePillDebate28/12/15 01:16 PM
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I don't see what's so controversial about thinking that, if a succession of people don't like you very much, you're probably a shitty person. And when the contrary position is that all women are terrible because they won't fuck you... how is TRP not a bigger hate group and similarly shameful ideology?
/r/PurplePillDebate28/12/15 01:10 PM
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What is the "insane bullshit" that all women require at a bare minimum?
/r/PurplePillDebate28/12/15 01:03 PM
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Yes, we should discipline women/feminists like dogs for having and/or airing opinions.
/r/PurplePillDebate28/12/15 12:53 PM
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I don't think anyone is suggesting that individual women are infallible arbiters of moral character. More that, if you've never been able to get laid, there is a common denominator in play (it's you) and you're probably not a very nice person. Your sexual success does not determine your character (unless you have none and deal with it in the worst way), but your sexual success is probably a crude proxy of your quality of character. This would also apply to women if men weren't relatively indiscr…
/r/PurplePillDebate28/12/15 12:40 PM
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I thought the article was saying that, when it's warm outside and women are dressed for it, they're cold inside because office A/C is set to accommodate suit wearers?
/r/PurplePillDebate28/12/15 12:07 PM
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My bad. That's a dumb article, I think the real issue is that women have a lot more flexibility on officewear than men, because of the expectation that men in offices with business dress codes will wear full suits all year. Most of them would probably rather wear a polo shirt and shorts for summer.
/r/PurplePillDebate28/12/15 11:56 AM
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One small Jezebel article = a baseline for general feminist thought.
/r/PurplePillDebate28/12/15 11:46 AM
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I often fuck on the first or second date. Lots of people do, women like sex too. My one cool trick? Not being repulsive to them.
/r/PurplePillDebate28/12/15 11:42 AM
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Not at all against the concept of dating advice. Against misogyny and emotional manipulation in general, upon which a lot of TRP dating advice is predicated.
/r/PurplePillDebate27/12/15 07:51 PM
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Trust me, TBPers are not emulating the men in chick flicks. I don't think anyone is doing that.
/r/PurplePillDebate27/12/15 05:19 PM
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You don't need a codified system of behaviour to build or maintain relationships with women.
/r/PurplePillDebate27/12/15 12:42 PM
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An "emotional affair" is an affair between two people that mimics the closeness and emotional intimacy of an affair while never being physically consummated. Your girlfriend may well have been talking shit, and the definition may well be nebulous (even if only because emotions are messier than actions), but it's certainly a thing.
/r/PurplePillDebate21/12/15 11:05 PM
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Agreed, it's terrible. Unfortunately that's how it is (at least in my experience) though.
/r/PurplePillDebate21/12/15 08:31 PM
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No good reason, I suppose because that's how society in general views it and it's very easy to take that on board - sex is cool, cool people have sex, what's wrong with you that means you aren't getting any? Etc.
/r/PurplePillDebate21/12/15 06:51 PM
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Kinda depends on the vegan in question... if you're going to bullshit about a vegan diet being the healthiest possible for humans, that is (unless I'm woefully wrong) ignorant of how evolution and humans work. If you're vegan for ethical reasons, that's a whole different thing. You don't necessarily think a vegan diet is optimal for health.
/r/PurplePillDebate21/12/15 06:10 PM
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Losing your virginity is a badge that says "I can't be a total loser, someone wanted to get involved with my genitals" - there's a lot of validation tied up with the physical act. Moreso for men, because women who assign value to male virginity are (I'd posit) far fewer in number than the reverse. Which is why paying for it isn't quite the same - you aren't being validated a a person.
/r/PurplePillDebate21/12/15 06:07 PM
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I think it relates to the idea of a "hardening" (hurr) of the self being a commendable masculine goal and a means of limiting one's vulnerability. The problem being that, if you try to remove exposure to bad feelings from your romantic life, you also make it very hard to enjoy the good ones.
/r/PurplePillDebate21/12/15 05:57 PM
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Sorry, misunderstood. All I can comment on is my view of it, not been around long enough to notice the conflict.
/r/PurplePillDebate21/12/15 05:45 PM
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Because they're done with the intent of making the target feel insecure. That's what makes it abusive behaviour.
/r/PurplePillDebate21/12/15 05:42 PM
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It's just hypocrisy IMO. You can dress it up with "the sexes are different" evopsych bullshit and cherry picked papers or whatever but it comes down to the idea that, while you can be a man who sleeps around and still be a catch, women who do the same devalue themselves. TRP men want to sleep around themselves, but don't want women who do that (for LTRs), so invent some magical reasoning to justify it instead of being honest about it being... something to do with your perceived inferiority, I gu…
/r/PurplePillDebate21/12/15 05:32 PM
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It's not the sex that's meaningful when it comes to cheating, because emotional cheating is just as bad (if not worse). It's the violation of trust.
/r/PurplePillDebate21/12/15 05:27 PM
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Yes, it does include that (AWALT awfulness aside). It does not include a codified system of emotional abuse.
/r/PurplePillDebate20/12/15 11:25 PM
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Yes, one woman = all women. Wacko stories on the news are absolutely representative of those you might meet in everyday life. That's how this works. You'd think you don't actually know many women IRL or something. And you know the answer to your question, come on. You can't be that delusional.
/r/PurplePillDebate18/12/15 07:20 PM
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Be incredibly aroused.
/r/PurplePillDebate18/12/15 12:15 PM
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objectively worse On what basis?
/r/PurplePillDebate18/12/15 12:12 PM
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What about the motivation to be physically intimate with someone you're fond of? Cuddling is great, but in no way is it as intensely intimate as fucking.
/r/PurplePillDebate18/12/15 12:09 PM
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just to be "progressive and empowered". Or maybe (some) women earnestly like fucking, and aren't picky about the other party's personality when it's just casual?
/r/PurplePillDebate18/12/15 11:44 AM
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This all seems very imprecise. Has anyone codified the rules of SMV calculation and created a spreadsheet for it yet? I must know, Top Trumps style, which pussies I can unquestionably crush.
/r/PurplePillDebate18/12/15 10:58 AM
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I think it's because TRP is a pretty radical group. They're pretty much on the opposite end of the spectrum to radfems. But where radfems are often called out by other feminists (for e.g. sex negativity, transphobia, shitty attitudes towards sex workers, you can see this in /r/feminism), TRP posters can say that all women are whores or consent is for betas and it'll likely go unchallenged or even be upvoted. There's plenty of horrible shit that's been upvoted on the front page of TRP every day.
/r/PurplePillDebate18/12/15 10:54 AM
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Sure. This is subjective, but if they're not clinically deluded then their behaviour just falls under assholery IMHO. E: Also they're not just armchair narcissists making hundreds of shitty vlogs, they're colluding in hurting innocent people from an (arguably) oppressed group and laughing about it on the internet.
/r/PurplePillDebate17/12/15 11:02 PM
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They can be dumb assholes without being mentally ill.
/r/PurplePillDebate17/12/15 10:20 PM
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I don't see how TBP can be punching down if TRPers are, as I've been led to believe, alpha masters of industry, game and the universe. Surely mockery from pitiful betas should be like water off a duck's back?
/r/PurplePillDebate17/12/15 07:49 PM
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If you're framing it as misanthropy, how does TRP inform your assumptions about and behaviour towards your male friends? And, if you're framing it as misanthropy, why do you want anything to do with people in general? I can certainly appreciate the misanthropic mindset, but I wouldn't call myself one because there are people whose company I earnestly enjoy.
/r/PurplePillDebate17/12/15 04:01 PM
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The "sexual strategy" (or mine as a BPer) is that you don't need one if you treat women like people. That's pretty much it.
/r/PurplePillDebate17/12/15 02:22 PM
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