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PPD is a niche internet bubble. If that warrants invalidation, then we might as well pack it up. Pointing out fringes is important because it gives people on that same side the option of leaning towards the extreme or the center, and the results can be very telling.
/r/PurplePillDebate22/09/25 01:58 PM
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That's exactly what the shareholders would prefer, actually.
/r/PurplePillDebate22/09/25 01:20 PM
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"That's just a niche internet bubble" is not a counterargument.
/r/PurplePillDebate22/09/25 01:16 PM
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The first is presumably what OP has done, because that's the type of data that people normally have available to themselves. The latter is basically impossible, because how do you evaluate a potential abuser that doesn't have the opportunity to become an actual abuser? It's like looking for school shooters that don't have access to guns.
/r/PurplePillDebate18/09/25 03:00 PM
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Selection bias. You see men in relationships. You don't see the men who would beat women but don't have the opportunity because they were rejected.
/r/PurplePillDebate18/09/25 01:55 PM
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Sure. I don't think that's illogical.
/r/PurplePillDebate10/09/25 07:06 PM
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I don't agree with the comment above at all, but I disagree with the idea that there's no logic in attraction. Anecdotally and observationally, I'd say that most people (in healthy relationships) select partners based on choosing people who are good for them. That's logical. Finding men/women attractive based on the context of them being trustworthy and exhibiting kindness is definitely logical.
/r/PurplePillDebate10/09/25 06:55 PM
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Partly, lesbian relationships aren't viewed as being as threatening. Partly, a lot of women have accepted that cheating is inevitable when it isn't and they shouldn't.
/r/PurplePillDebate05/09/25 06:18 PM
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Conversely, in some flavors of historical toxic masculinity, it's totally fine to have sex with other men (as long as you're the top), and it's dishonorable to cheat on your wife (typically when toxic masculinity gets twisted with nationalism).
/r/PurplePillDebate05/09/25 04:58 PM
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Bi, easily. People are way too lenient about cheating.
/r/PurplePillDebate05/09/25 04:54 PM
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Why can't we just continue to have a system that creates absolute winners and losers? That's what capitalism aims for in the economic space, and it's carrying on just fine.
/r/PurplePillDebate03/09/25 06:40 PM
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The power a man holds is whatever a woman wants from him. If you actually have no power then it's because you bring nothing to the table, but that's more of a terminally-online anti-fantasy. I hold plenty of power in my relationship because my wife wants/likes what I offer, from compassionate companionship to confluent climaxes.
/r/PurplePillDebate31/08/25 03:34 PM
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Let me put it this way for you: Lots of people want to have a Rolex. The only people who deserve to have a Rolex are the people that have paid to buy their Rolex. No payment, no deserving. You can want a Rolex, that's totally cool, but you don't deserve it until you put the money down. To say that you should have a Rolex is to say that you believe you deserve one despite not meeting the criteria to be deserving. That's entitlement. You lt is entitlement to abstract criteria that would entitle on…
/r/PurplePillDebate29/08/25 08:09 PM
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"Should" notes a disparity between reality and a preferred non-reality. It's inherently in acknowledgement of the fact that they currently don't have said thing and believe this to be in error. If they believe said thing should be provided without them earning or paying for it, then logically it follows that it should be provided to settle an obligation, hence they are owed.
/r/PurplePillDebate29/08/25 07:52 PM
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The moment anyone crosses from "I want" to "I should have" it implies owedness.
/r/PurplePillDebate29/08/25 07:40 PM
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Suppose he just leaves it as "I wish I didn't have to work." Okay, that's a normal sentiment. Then suppose then that he starts blaming everyone else because he has to work. He blames his job for not paying more for less work. He blames the government for not giving him welfare cheques that would allow him to maintain his lifestyle with less work. He blames Porsche for pricing their cars out of his reach. He blames his affluent friend(s) for not showering him in expensive gifts. He blames the gov…
/r/PurplePillDebate29/08/25 01:02 PM
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Yes, and someone believing that they're literally owed any amount of success with women is entitlement.
/r/PurplePillDebate29/08/25 03:47 AM
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Few things are as bad as kicking an animal, but plenty of lesser acts warrant a proportional response. Labeling entitlement is a proportional response to a man denigrating women because they won't conform to his desires.
/r/PurplePillDebate29/08/25 03:16 AM
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wanting to dunk on losers How about wanting to hit back at people who are lashing out unfairly and inappropriately? Suppose somebody had a really bad day at work. We should empathize with them up until the point that they decide to take out their frustration by kicking their dog. After that, empathy is null and void; you should give them nothing but scorn.
/r/PurplePillDebate29/08/25 12:13 AM
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That sounds comparable to the idea that young people enter politics with left-wing idealism and cross over to right-wing pragmatism as they grow up. I reject both notions; I leaned red and right, and shifted to blue and left as I grew up. I think it's really more to do with class than anything.
/r/PurplePillDebate28/08/25 04:26 PM
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Conversely, I would say that nothing bluepills a man more than women. Likewise, you could make a parallel case that capitalism redpills the worker and bluepills the shareholder.
/r/PurplePillDebate28/08/25 04:16 PM
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Incels are hopeless romantics because if they were successful then they would be hopeful romantics.
/r/PurplePillDebate28/08/25 04:06 PM
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The elites are going to be just fine. The normal people are the ones that will suffer as the economy collapses. The elites will always win more and lose less; that's just how it goes.
/r/PurplePillDebate27/08/25 10:08 PM
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I cannot say with any certainty how I would handle being in her shoes. However, I can say that I have both received unkindness from others and tried to adopt unkindness for myself, and found that I can't help but drift back towards kindness as soon as I stop actively trying to swim away from it.
/r/PurplePillDebate27/08/25 02:26 AM
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Your link to Lizzie Vélasquez in your other comment supports my point though; she was subjected to negativity from people around her, and it inspired her to become a motivational speaker. She chose positivity, despite her environment pushing her away from it. That meets my criteria for genuine goodness. Nobody has to be Buddha, they just have to be more inclined to positivity than negativity, regardless of their circumstances.
/r/PurplePillDebate26/08/25 09:45 PM
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A genuine trait is like a tennis ball that your golden retriever puppy has dropped in your swimming pool. It floats. You can take it under the surface, but it naturally floats back up. You could say it has genuine buoyancy. Conversely, your puppy also has a rubber Kong that it also drops in the pool. The Kong sinks to the bottom. The Kong can be brought to the surface, even held there, but that doesn't make it genuinely buoyant. It's not about whether you're at the surface all the time, it's abo…
/r/PurplePillDebate26/08/25 01:50 PM
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Becoming frustrated with current outcomes versus becoming bitter with future outcomes are two different phenomena. It's like comparing your car getting splattered with mud and having to get it cleaned, versus your car getting splattered with road salted slush and having major structural components become compromised by rust. One is an inconvenience, one is a major problem.
/r/PurplePillDebate26/08/25 01:29 PM
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if a man is kind and gets rejected No, if a man ceases to be kind as a result of feedback, then it was performative. It's not about getting rejected, it's about whether the trait is an inherent quality (that can't be controlled) or an emulated quality (that can be discarded if it isn't working). For instance, I know that I'm not a clinical psychopath because I've tried to fully discard empathy and I can't do it. I can suppress it situationally if I have a good reason, but it's an inherent part o…
/r/PurplePillDebate26/08/25 01:25 PM
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usually tried being genuinely good, got nowhere, and then got bitter about it, Then he was never genuinely good. It's not something that you can try to see if it gets results. He was performatively good, which just isn't the same thing.
/r/PurplePillDebate26/08/25 01:06 PM
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I can't answer all of these, but my then-girlfriend had health issues that not only caused weight gain and killed her libido, but also required me to take a disproportionate amount of the work. I still loved her, I eventually married her, and eventually we solved most of those issues.
/r/PurplePillDebate23/08/25 02:46 AM
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Nonetheless, even if you take sex/dating out of the equation, people are just generally prejudiced against immigrants/ex-pats. In the western world, we tend to be very aware of resentment for the people that arrive, but a lot of us don't realize that they're also resented back in their home country for leaving. Mostly everyone wants everyone to just stay in their lane.
/r/PurplePillDebate22/08/25 12:04 PM
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It's recusing oneself from their normal pool in order to win more than they otherwise deserve. A man from a well-developed country moving to a developing country to seduce women by creating a favorable finaincial disparity that he wouldn't enjoy in his home country is fundamentally the same pattern as a diamond rank R6 Siege player who creates a new account so that he can beat up low rank players by creating a favorable skill disparity that he wouldn't enjoy in his actual rank division.
/r/PurplePillDebate22/08/25 03:33 AM
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It's basically smurfing
/r/PurplePillDebate21/08/25 10:56 PM
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Men and women have roughly equal standards for sexual frustration of "seeking an orgasm with someone else." The perceived gap in standards comes from a biological gap; women typically have a much harder time achieving orgasm than men, especially in the context of hookups. I think a lot of men genuinely can't imagine what it's like to get with a woman only to be completely unable to cum. So to directly answer your question, I would say that men and women describe the same phenomenon with the same…
/r/PurplePillDebate21/08/25 08:51 PM
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Claiming that you want to impregnate as many women as possible as a form of retaliation against their behavior is an extremely rapey statement.
/r/PurplePillDebate20/08/25 05:34 PM
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There's a part of masculinity that's focused on self-actualization and personal agency, on asserting yourself and pursuing your goals, and on using your capabilities to lead others. These are all great. To be clear, by "warrior" in this case I'm referring to societies where the warrior class was elevated above other citizen classes (e.g. knights and samurai). I'm not talking about conscript infantry. These elements of masculinity are still relevant even in a mostly peaceful modern world; there's…
/r/PurplePillDebate20/08/25 02:51 PM
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Are you suggesting that men shouldn't have an instinctual urge to reproduce, or are you suggesting that men shouldn't let instinct drive their conscious will?
/r/PurplePillDebate20/08/25 01:50 PM
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That sort of comes back to my point. The good parts of masculinity would say that a manly man needs to strategically adapt to the age of drone warfare, and would push our men to develop the best drones and the best military doctrine for them. The bad parts of masculinity would say that going to the frontline and taking drone hits is manly because men are supposed to be tough.
/r/PurplePillDebate20/08/25 11:36 AM
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I like the norms that push us to be warriors. I resent the norms that condition is to be laborers.
/r/PurplePillDebate20/08/25 03:04 AM
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Women want men to use intelligence to take a nuanced approach. Also, "read their minds" isn't an unrealistic expectation. We use "mind reading" for business (sales) and pleasure (chess). It's not a stretch to expect the same principles be used for mating.
/r/PurplePillDebate19/08/25 03:02 PM
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In my experience, some people just naturally have it.
/r/PurplePillDebate18/08/25 05:24 PM
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I would say they're aligned in the sense that both prescribe that there's a cosmic tendency towards fairness that didn't actually exist. Reality is unfair. We see these in tropes with the hot mean girl and the dumb jock, but what's more realistic is that the popular kids are kind and charismatic and attractive and athletic and smart and affluent, and all those factors together are what makes them popular.
/r/PurplePillDebate16/08/25 02:43 PM
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It's a variant of the Just-World Fallacy. People want to believe that someone's upsides have to be balanced with downsides. They don't want to accept that some people have it all and others have none of it and that's just how it works.
/r/PurplePillDebate16/08/25 04:38 AM
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Not quite. It doesn't make you a Chad, but it allows you to remain one. To be a Chad is to be able to wield the supreme power of having your shit together. If you get shook by rejection and cease to have your shit together then you cease to be a Chad. If you don't have your shit together in the first place, then you're no Chad even if you can handle rejection well.
/r/PurplePillDebate09/08/25 03:14 AM
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Through high school, I was socially inept, largely due to my parents being entirely unhelpful. I was extraverted, but fundamentally unable to fulfill that need Once I graduated from high school, I needed a job because my parents insisted that I need to be completely financially independent at 18. I got a job at Which Wich, and the owner let me go 2 weeks later. He said it was a bad fit because I was too smart and I was overthinking it. He suggested that I did get a job involving computers. My ne…
/r/PurplePillDebate09/08/25 01:52 AM
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Nah, not really. I expanded on it in another comment.
/r/PurplePillDebate08/08/25 08:31 PM
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An average man can be a Chad, but it's going to be very difficult. He's going to need to have an impervious sense of self that allows the negativity of rejection to bounce right off of him, and he needs to do so without any delusion. Most people can't do that. Outstanding men have an easier time because they tend to have less failure to accept.
/r/PurplePillDebate08/08/25 08:28 PM
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Chad is a mindset, not a material state. Either man in your example can still be Chad if he thinks like a Chad. Meanwhile, a man can be the 6-6-6 unicorn and he still won't be a Chad if he harbors insecurity.
/r/PurplePillDebate08/08/25 08:15 PM
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I also think that bluepill narratives need some reformation. Red has a big advantage in that it tends to be very blunt and very tangible, while Blue tends to be more tactful and abstract. That makes Red more appealing to many men based on style rather than substance. As an example, Blue will tell you that true love is magical and it makes it feel like you have butterflies in your stomach and you're walking on sunshine. That might be accurate but the pitch is lost on someone who hasn't experience…
/r/PurplePillDebate08/08/25 04:12 PM
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I'd make the case that base TRP doctrine isn't necessarily problematic, but the things it doesn't say and address creates a vulnerability that has allowed grifters to twist it into what it is today. What we need is a new red pill that addresses this.
/r/PurplePillDebate08/08/25 03:16 PM
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If it's not hypocritical then it indicates an internal contradiction that's maladaptive and unhealthy, which is really just self-hypocrisy so we're back to square 1. I want to fuck women because I like them. I like women because I want to fuck them. It's elegant, recursive, consistent, and beneficial for everyone involved.
/r/PurplePillDebate08/08/25 02:26 PM
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You can, but it makes you a hypocrite.
/r/PurplePillDebate08/08/25 02:17 PM
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There's a difference between critiquing and denigrating. One is constructive, the other is not.
/r/PurplePillDebate08/08/25 02:15 PM
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The reason that an individualistic dating paradigm works is because it also does a better job of aligning with the same selfish assholes. It works because most of us are selfish assholes, we just don't all get the chance to express it.
/r/PurplePillDebate08/08/25 02:13 PM
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You can be a hypocrite, certainly, but I'll judge you for it.
/r/PurplePillDebate08/08/25 01:46 PM
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Admittedly, I didn't check your flair to gauge your perspective before I responded, but my previous statement still stands as a rhetorical question since the "80/20" is often framed as a bad thing.
/r/PurplePillDebate08/08/25 01:46 PM
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That's incongruent with reality. There's a reason why an individualistic system like capitalism builds bigger and more developed societies than collectivist systems like communism. Selfishness is an incredible motivational force.
/r/PurplePillDebate08/08/25 01:30 PM
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Let's suppose that this is all totally correct for a minute: why is it a problem? I don't think it is one. This does however highlight the contradiction between redpill premise and reality. The premise of redpill is that you need to change yourself to become Alpha Bucks, and then you can get those AB results that you've always wanted. The reality of redpill is complaining about women's filtration.
/r/PurplePillDebate08/08/25 01:01 PM
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What do you mean by "average woman"? Is it average looking? Average income? Average upper body strength? Average intellect? Either no neurodivergence or an average amount? If you change some of these things then I'm not me anymore. If we translate me to a woman as 1:1 as possible then I'm much better at it than most women. It has nothing to do with my gender and everything to do with having clinically high intelligence that made me both "gifted and talented" as well as "disruptive" as a child go…
/r/PurplePillDebate08/08/25 12:48 PM
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I fully agree, but of course I do. I'm flaired as a "sexual economist" because my main schtick is pointing out how the macro structure of the dating market is the source of most men's frustrations, rather than "women bad."
/r/PurplePillDebate07/08/25 02:45 PM
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I think you're still not quite getting it; I want a class war of male infighting. Let the women be the cheerleaders as the Chads step up to bat, rather than the reversal of those roles that we currently have. That's the only way to stand up to the rich. Clearly we're on opposing sides of this conflict. Is your flair set in bad faith? You seem much more aligned with redpill than bluepill.
/r/PurplePillDebate06/08/25 09:28 PM
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That number comes from one of OKCupid's studies. They found the most women are getting at least some attention, but there's a premium tier that represents about 1/3 of women that are getting a crazy high volume of interest; that essentially all men are fighting over a large but minority block of women. Men support each other in this They shouldn't. It's women who are selectors And the only thing stopping many men from being selected is that they simply aren't competitive. It makes sense to fight…
/r/PurplePillDebate06/08/25 08:20 PM
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Only about 35% of women are "rich" in this case, and about 10% of men are. I'd rather have the 90% of "poor" men to take the fight directly to the Chads and then get dunked on for it, rather than attacking women and requiring us Chads to step in and assist on there behalf. It's like playing TF2/Overwatch and being forever stuck playing healer and supporting your teammates when you want to be the aggro tank that steamrolls the other team and puts up the biggest numbers.
/r/PurplePillDebate06/08/25 07:51 PM
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In defense of men, good pussy is the best thing ever. It's understandable why it can drive us crazy. In defense of women, pussy is only as good as it is because of everything else about women, and men often don't appreciate that.
/r/PurplePillDebate06/08/25 04:22 AM
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See, I used to think that way and had that kind of relationship. But, eventually, you figure out that food tastes better when you're hungry, and then you'll start to use that to your advantage. I've actually done that with food (not metaphor) as well; reducing snacking (most of my snacks are now just bottled water) has led to moderate weight loss with minimal effort, improved culinary pleasure, and just generally feeling better because I'm healthier.
/r/PurplePillDebate05/08/25 08:04 PM
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Oh, I think I might have misunderstood what you were getting at previously, because I've always negotiated casual sex from a perspective of "let's keep expectations to a minimum and see what happens." It strikes me as a bit bizarre to take a more rigid approach with a predefined outcome.
/r/PurplePillDebate05/08/25 05:51 PM
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Sex is an interesting phenomenon because you can have your cake and eat it too, yet a lot of people really only want the first half of that. Common sexual behaviors make a lot of sense when you realize that a lot of people enjoy having sex, but fewer people enjoy actually doing sex. If sex is something that you want compartmentalized so that you can cross it off your list and go back to playing videogames then you don't actually like sex; you like emotional validation and hormonal balance. That …
/r/PurplePillDebate05/08/25 05:41 PM
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Younger men tend to want women to work like microwaves; you hit a button and 3 minutes later you have a Hot Pocket. Some men eventually grow out of this and eventually embark on their "grill era" where they figure out that working on putting together a great meal is a great way to spend their day.
/r/PurplePillDebate05/08/25 03:45 PM
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It's difficult to work with until you expand your concept of foreplay into a holistic approach. Once you get the hang of it, you can maintain nearly constant sexual tension and have fun doing it.
/r/PurplePillDebate05/08/25 03:37 PM
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That's not true. Responsive desire isn't a problem, and can even lead to a preferable relationship dynamic as long as you're willing to adopt the right approach. Foreplay all day is very rewarding.
/r/PurplePillDebate05/08/25 02:52 PM
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It takes a massive ego to say "hey, we should switch to dating because I'm awesome and you should want more me!" It doesn't take a massive ego to say "hey, we should switch to dating because you're awesome and I want more you." Occasionally people go with the former even if they're feeling the latter because they somehow think they're less likely to be rejected that way, which is a very flawed tactic. I don't think it's bad to be open and honest if you have a positive change of heart and find yo…
/r/PurplePillDebate05/08/25 01:54 PM
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It's not a perfect analogy because the relationship between Costco members and the samples carts is a one-sided affair while casual sex is bilateral, but I think it shows the behavioral process. I hoped that using an indulgent dessert would add a touch of flattery to smooth out the transactionist reduction. Sure, you don't want to settle for casual if you want to date someone, but maybe that's exactly what's happening to the guys that are trying to stick around. Maybe they go into it thinking th…
/r/PurplePillDebate05/08/25 01:02 PM
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if getting sex and a person who spends time with him isn't enough I think most people leveraging this complaint are speaking from dead or mostly-dead bedrooms. So wanting the Adonis treatment I don't think it's so much that guys want to be worshipped, but rather that either they don't understand the concept of responsive desire, or they do and they wish their woman had spontaneous desire because they don't like the need to put in constant work to trigger responsive desire.
/r/PurplePillDebate05/08/25 12:42 PM
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Have you considered that maybe you're viewing this as a collective problem when it's actually an individual problem? Maybe you're just super cool, and men change course after becoming acquainted with you? I don't accept samples at Costco because I expect to get hooked into making a purchase, but sometimes I'm unexpectedly blown away, and that's how I end up with an entire box of Portuguese custard tarts in my freezer.
/r/PurplePillDebate05/08/25 12:58 AM
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Everyone is sexually incompatible with selfish jerks, unless that's their fetish.
/r/PurplePillDebate04/08/25 09:53 PM
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No, quite the opposite. If a straight but involuntarily celibate man doesn't want to get assfucked by a dude he has no attraction to, then it's proof that bad sex is worse than no sex. Coming back to my original point, men often can't fathom that sex for women can be even worse than even that.
/r/PurplePillDebate04/08/25 09:28 PM
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Yeah because this is simply wrong If it were wrong, more men would hook up with other men, despite not having any attraction to other men, because bad sex would beat loneliness. It doesn't, so most straight men don't.
/r/PurplePillDebate04/08/25 09:00 PM
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This sounds a lot like the "skill points fallacy" which is a term that I am going to continue to try to coin until someone points me to the TV Tropes page that describes it better and came first. The skill points fallacy is an extension of the just world fallacy. It's the idea that everyone has a similar number of skill points, just distributed differently across our assorted traits. We see this in movies and shows all the time; where the hottest girl in school has the shittiest personality, whe…
/r/PurplePillDebate04/08/25 08:55 PM
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I was more hitting at the phenomenon of men complaining (mostly here) that they have it worse than women because women can have sex whenever rather than being crushed by solitude. The analogy has been floated around here before, but that's like a man in a desert with no water claiming that he has it so much worse than a woman who's trapped on a raft in the middle of the ocean because she's surrounded by water. He's ignoring that you can't drink saltwater and both are going to die of thirst in ro…
/r/PurplePillDebate04/08/25 08:22 PM
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There's a quote from the beginning of one of the Pink Panther movies where a guy says something along the lines of "We'll see if I'm a better liar than you are a psychologist." Men often don't see the worst in other men, because they aren't shown it. They have to trust that it's there.
/r/PurplePillDebate04/08/25 08:19 PM
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You can't talk about having good sex because at best it's taken as bragging but at worst it triggers toxic levels of envy. So, you can usually only talk about it in a way that lets other people commiserate, but at scale this creates widespread pessimism. It makes you wonder; there's so much poorly-aged vintage humor about men hating their wives: was the nuclear family era really that miserable, or is this a case of survivorship bias because it just wasn't socially acceptable to say "My wife is t…
/r/PurplePillDebate04/08/25 08:03 PM
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Men don't understand that a lot of the sex available to women isn't worth having, and refuse to accept that bad sex can be worse than loneliness. Women ice good relationships because she can't understand how her boyfriend/husband could find her attractive when she doesn't see it in herself.
/r/PurplePillDebate04/08/25 07:35 PM
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Men want to outcompete the most other men with the least effort, but that's just not how it works for most people. So, many men end up bitter and bigoted and doing all sorts of mental gymnastics to cope for their shortcomings.
/r/PurplePillDebate04/08/25 04:25 PM
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To quote Marcus from one of the Borderlands games, "Everybody wants to buy, but nobody wants to be sold." Sex sells unless you're too overt about it, and then it backfires because it makes the customer feel like only a schmuck would buy.
/r/PurplePillDebate03/08/25 08:57 PM
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American Eagle's recent eugenics ad
/r/PurplePillDebate03/08/25 07:32 PM
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I choose B, easily. First, Sweeney has given me red flag vibes for awhile, and the recent controversy has confirmed those suspicions. Second, advertisements aren't sexy. Anytime it feels like someone is trying to sell me something, it's a major turn-off. You say that Sweeney as pictured is optimized for the male gaze, but she strikes me as patronizing and disingenuous. Those are also turn-offs. I constantly feel like I'm living in that South Park season from 2015ish where the people (including P…
/r/PurplePillDebate03/08/25 02:58 PM
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Sex bots will be subject to capitalism. Sex bots will only be developed because of capitalism. That's just how it goes.
/r/PurplePillDebate03/08/25 12:10 AM
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I addressed this in response to your other comment, but this is predicted on the bulk of men having satisfying access to sex bots, but there's a lot of financial incentive to ensure they don't.
/r/PurplePillDebate03/08/25 12:05 AM
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Conversely, consider cars. Mass production has brought them to the point where the lower class either can't afford them at all or is stuck with junkers, the middle class chooses between new economical models or old luxury models and struggles but manages to afford either, and the upper class gets favorable financial terms for the latest and greatest, often paying less to get more than the lower class. My prediction for sex bots is that the upper class will rent them with 1-3 year leases and have…
/r/PurplePillDebate03/08/25 12:02 AM
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I don't have any disagreement with the body of your post, but I don't think it's concordant with the title. My wife is straight. From the beginning, we both agreed that we wanted a collaborative egalitarian relationship rather than a patriarchal one. There's no further dismantling necessary.
/r/PurplePillDebate02/08/25 08:53 PM
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Male sex toys aren't as satisfying as real women because they can't provide the same sort of validation. That's critical because having sex is more important than doing sex for many people, even if they don't realize it. We all want to be part of the sex-havers club. Relevant comedy sketch
/r/PurplePillDebate02/08/25 07:42 PM
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I don't think that's surprising; I expect most top men own/use Fleshlights at least occasionally, but they're discrete about it and nobody suspects it because of the social narrative. Meanwhile, I'd suspect that most bottom men probably don't have anime body pillows, but they are assumed to because of the same social narratives. With bots, I don't see much changing other than accessibility due to price. I imagine high-earning men have bots in their closests, while low-status men can't afford the…
/r/PurplePillDebate02/08/25 03:12 PM
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Women aren't losing their power as long as it suits top men, which it does.
/r/PurplePillDebate02/08/25 01:06 PM
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Except that's predicated on the idea that the social power of women is based on the physicality of sex rather than the perceived exclusivity. Think about today's how single women with sex toys are "empowered" while single men with sex toys are seen as "losers" and amplify that effect further. The likely scenario for sex bots is that men will partake but keep it on the downlow because they'll be culturally shamed for admitting to it, and they'll still chase women for the sake of status. More wome…
/r/PurplePillDebate02/08/25 12:43 PM
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That's selection bias. You're observing all the men that were selected despite their moral failings, but not observing the men that were rejected for their moral failings. After all, we can clearly see relationships but we don't see rejections beyond unreliable anecdotes and the occasional leaked chat.
/r/PurplePillDebate02/08/25 12:24 AM
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You're still missing my thesis; that whatever deficiencies a man/woman has, whether physical or moral or whatever else, it's all just a matter of whether they can be overcome within the current pool. Everyone has to either expand their pool (which can be impractical or resource intensive) or change themselves to fit the standard of their existing pool. There's roughly 4 billion women on earth. One of them is probably willing to accept your shortcomings and love you as you are, but if you meet 5 …
/r/PurplePillDebate31/07/25 11:07 PM
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First, women don't have to be feminists to be rationally self-interested in avoiding men with prominent moral failings. Second, some men end up socially isolated to very small pools. As an example, I was very unsuccessful in dating in high school, because I went to a private school where my prospects were fucked. Thehe entire highschool had a student body of maybe 90-100 people at any given time, only about 15-20 of those students were female, and then we have all sorts of quirks and incompatibi…
/r/PurplePillDebate31/07/25 10:38 PM
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That's because nobody has a complete pool of all women, and no trait is a dealbreaker for all women, BUT it can be a dealbreaker for enough women that it invalidates a specific man's entire pool, especially if he has a small pool that he can't easily expand.
/r/PurplePillDebate31/07/25 10:19 PM
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Ted Bundy had a very specific moral failing that mentally ill women are willing to handwave. That doesn't mean every combination of moral failings doesn't impede attraction.
/r/PurplePillDebate31/07/25 09:45 PM
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Ok, but what about the people who do struggle with dating because of moral failings? Sure, not every single man is lazy and talentless and selfish... but what of the men that are?
/r/PurplePillDebate31/07/25 09:35 PM
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No, it's not. The top 1% of men have more in common with the top 1% of women than they do with the bottom 50% of men. The way PPD should work is that the incels whine about how it's so unfair that all the "Chads" are taking all "Stacies", and then Chads show up to be like "yes, this is absolutely true. I fucked seventeen girls in a row last night..."
/r/PurplePillDebate30/07/25 05:07 PM
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Emily Nagoski's book "Come As You Are" is intended to be an explanation and source of help for women that are struggling with their sexuality. However, the information can be used by men to have more and better sex. A lot of the advice has very practical applications, whether you're a playboy or a boyfriend or a husband. For instance, she mentions a study where researchers found that women had an easier time achieving orgasm in a controlled environment when they were wearing socks. This sounds b…
/r/PurplePillDebate29/07/25 08:47 PM
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Typically around $75-$150. I'd pick a restaurant that was casual (no dress code/reservations) but unique and good at what it does. For instance, dinner for the worst date I went on was The Royale Magnificent Burger which is one of those fancy/trendy burger places. This one had a particular vibe with the interior decor that was good for date night, a bunch of options for $20 burgers, and their specialty was a $14 s'mores shake with vodka and a hand-torched marshmallow crown. I met my wife at midn…
/r/PurplePillDebate29/07/25 02:02 PM
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You mean I haven't resorted to plan B and C because I got laid with plan A?
/r/PurplePillDebate28/07/25 03:40 AM
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Leaving your homeland behind because you're neither economically nor sexually prosperous is an automatic disqualifier of any claim to Chadfluence.
/r/PurplePillDebate28/07/25 02:48 AM
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Jordan Belfort suggests that he ran up that kind of whore bill, but we have to take his word for it. Let's assume that an Escort costs an even $500 although that's probably a low-ball figure. My last run of bachelorhood saw me get laid every 5 days on average. Matching that in escorts would be 73 per year, or $36,500 annually. That's a tall ask for purely disposable income. Additionally, I doubt I'm at the top of the Chad hierarchy, I probably would have gotten that down to getting laid every th…
/r/PurplePillDebate28/07/25 02:27 AM
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You don't need to be extremely wealthy to drop a few hundred on an escort one time for your birthday. You do need to be extremely to drop a few hundred on escorts for breakfast, lunch, and dinner every day. Most men are going to be somewhere in the middle, and the affluence needed will vary.
/r/PurplePillDebate28/07/25 01:49 AM
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Some are meeting by accident in ways and places where they aren't intending to find a date. Some are getting set up through mutual friends in their social circles. Some are using a niche to meet women in that niche. Some are using online dating successfully (including me).
/r/PurplePillDebate26/07/25 05:28 PM
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I detailed that in a further comment, but the unfortunate truth is that a lot of people regardless of gender are just going to work/school, home, and the internet. Basically all social/community spaces have become niche. Some of that's due to economic factors, some is due to social fragmentation, and some is due to widespread mental factors like social anxiety and introversion and depression. Consider that even the most popular social/entertainment events (e.g. Avengers Endgame, T Swift Eras Tou…
/r/PurplePillDebate26/07/25 04:54 PM
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I went to R4R, sorted by new, and kept an eye out for any posts tagged F4M that were in driving distance. I met a woman in a college town about 3.5 hours away, so I drive out for a first date that went very well. We became a couple, and I spent the next 2 years driving out there nearly every weekend.
/r/PurplePillDebate26/07/25 04:36 PM
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Most IRL public spaces are niche. Between modern economic and social conditions, there are vast numbers of people who go to work/school, go home, and go online. Some of that's due to mental illness/social anxiety/introversion, some of that's due to bad work/life balance in order to make ends meet, and some of that's due to social places having become very expensive as a result of the real estate market going kind of crazy. If you want to avoid the specific archetype of woman that hangs out at mu…
/r/PurplePillDebate26/07/25 03:49 PM
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First, biases on the table, I prefer quirky alternative women and I have gotten laid through reddit. Second, I disagree that the western hemisphere is full of these chav women. Statistically, Coachella is super niche compared to Reddit, as is clubbing. Normal people aren't doing those things. If I were going to take a guess, I'd suspect that you're paying disproportionate attention to chav girl bosses doing the party lifestyle because either that's what you're attracted to (even if it's likely u…
/r/PurplePillDebate26/07/25 03:38 PM
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Personally, I think the root cause is poor sex education. At best, we teach kids the basic mechanisms of reproduction and a little bit of risk mitigation. At worst, we tell them that they're supposed to wait until marriage and then figure this out. This is supposed to promote monogamous marriage over promiscuity, but it causes people to have unsatisfying sex lives which leads to unsatisfying marriages which leads to negative associations amongst young people.
/r/PurplePillDebate26/07/25 02:27 PM
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There's a critical measure that has a lot less potential to hurt normal men, which is for men to be better at self-policing; for good men to call out bad men when they see bad behavior, and to support women when they make a case against bad men. The issue is that the ratio of good men to bad men is kinda fucked, which is why Gillette got flamed for suggesting such a practice.
/r/PurplePillDebate25/07/25 02:41 PM
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Even if we reduce online dating to just photos, there's way more that goes into that than just looking good. Photography fundamentals and scene framing go a long way towards making you look your best, as do your style and grooming choices. But dating, even online, isn't just about looks. The most important aspect is charisma. The short men that do get laid do so because they're dripping with charisma, and women respond.
/r/PurplePillDebate25/07/25 03:01 AM
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That's the real crux; to develop a dating app that is profitable by collecting commissions on dates rather than grifting people for subscriptions that aren't actually supposed to get them anywhere. Back in uni I had an idea for an app that worked on that principle; it focused on movie dates, and matched people based on what they wanted to see, so you would decide you wanted to see Superman on Friday night, and it would show you eligible ladies/gentleman that also wanted to go Friday night to see…
/r/PurplePillDebate24/07/25 07:05 PM
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I doubt it. A very small number of women would be upset, but they'd mostly be the ones using dating apps for marketing rather than dating. Women trying to date would probably be pleased with the junk reduction. The main effect would probably be lower tier men losing their shit and crashing out because they aren't able to use swipe volume to increase their match volume. However, if it pushes them to leave then it improves the pool for the remaining men, which is kind of the point.
/r/PurplePillDebate24/07/25 06:42 PM
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So then you swipe right 3 times and come back tomorrow. Do that every day and that's 90 possible matches in a month. Women will be much less inundated, and that gives each swipe a higher chance to result in a match.
/r/PurplePillDebate24/07/25 05:42 PM
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I've suggested before that online dating would probably work better if it restricted men to 3 swipes right per day, but I think I remember someone brought up last time that there was an app that tried that and it didn't work out.
/r/PurplePillDebate24/07/25 05:02 PM
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I think part of the problem with that is younger men tend to have arousal that works like a light switch; just flip it and it's on, and they have a hard part understanding that women don't work that way (and men tend to grow out of it). Instead, women are more like grills; "warmed up" isn't a singular state, the grill can be 400/500/600/700 F, and more heat is better when you have USDA Prime steaks that you're looking to sear. Likewise, you want to build up all the heat you can for the bedroom b…
/r/PurplePillDebate24/07/25 04:59 PM
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I'd say that the chance women should give men (and that men should give women) is a conversation, rather than immediately skipping to rejection based on an immediate snap judgement of either a superficial trait or a material metric (like height/weight/occupation/income). Initial impressions lack context, and a conversation creates context. From the male side, I became much more successful with online dating once I started talking to people first and drawing conclusions second, rather than just i…
/r/PurplePillDebate24/07/25 02:42 PM
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OP's argument is essentially that men want marriages that revolve around themselves, and so they want women who will orbit them due to limited career prospects. That strikes me as an immature and insecure perspective, although I technically agree that widespread immaturity and insecurity are likely to blame for men not wanting to get married.
/r/PurplePillDebate24/07/25 01:20 PM
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...you really think careers are the problem?
/r/PurplePillDebate24/07/25 12:50 PM
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According to your own link, 34% of young women are single and 20% of young women aren't sexually active. What's critical is that most of those women are single and inactive because they choose to be; they could get a boyfriend or get laid, but they don't want to, and often they have good reasons for it. This is in contrast to the men who typically want some sort of relationship/situationship and to get laid but can't. If men and women were both wanting each other but failing to connect, then the…
/r/PurplePillDebate23/07/25 07:36 PM
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There's so many involuntarily single men because there are so many voluntarily single women. Small differences in supply/demand ratios have massive effects on the entire market. The solutions are either to encourage women to come back to the dating market, and/or to kick a portion of men right out.
/r/PurplePillDebate23/07/25 07:14 PM
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I think there is a very small segment of women who leverage high attractiveness to squeeze money out of suitors, but these women are overrepresented in the minds of men due to selection bias; men by default tend to gravitate towards them rather than women with a more average appearance and a not-shit personality. I think there's a larger segment of women who are trying to use paying for dates as a filter to help screen out fuckboys. Women use a lot of questionably effective ways to filter becaus…
/r/PurplePillDebate23/07/25 01:48 PM
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Yes, and? Poor people are expected to follow all the rules, while rich people are allowed to allowed to disregard them when convenient. Should people be angry with the government for failing to enforce evenly, or with the rich assholes that disrespect the laws? Personally, I think PPD should revolve around having a sexual class war rather than a gender war.
/r/PurplePillDebate22/07/25 07:17 PM
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You never know. Maybe by the third date they're already taking turns spanking a midget covered in Thousand Island dressing.
/r/PurplePillDebate22/07/25 05:00 PM
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I used videogames as my prime example not just because I play them (as do most people) but because I went to uni to learn how to design them. One of the eye-opening classes I took was on player motivations and how to balance appeal for very different types of players in parallel. That class actually did a lot to sour me on gaming. Some of that messaging was repeated in a marketing class I took as well. The quiet part that they don't say out loud is that marketing (and all of capitalism) is biase…
/r/PurplePillDebate22/07/25 04:27 PM
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Men as a whole don't want to want things. Some men do, but it's likely a maladaptive behavior. I just want things; when I get them I like having them and don't feel I need a new thing.
/r/PurplePillDebate22/07/25 02:36 PM
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I completely disagree. I mean, I fully acknowledge that much of what you describe is true for a large number of people, but my experience completely contradicts it. Just in general, I don't value things for having to chase or earn them. I would prefer to just have them so that I can use them as I see fit. This is most evident when I play videogames. I hate grinding for things. In games like Forza Horizon 5, I'd rather the game just give me free access to all the cars from the beginning. In CoD, …
/r/PurplePillDebate22/07/25 01:59 PM
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Nature herself...are therefore more eugenecist than any program promoted by any civilization ever This only holds up if you don't count totalitarian/genocidal regimes as civilization. Otherwise, humans have intervened in genetics to have a more prominent eugenic effect than nature ever could manage on its own. *In case anyone brings it up, I'm counting slavery as a form of genocide
/r/PurplePillDebate21/07/25 02:15 PM
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Sure, but consider if you spread the disparity wider; Let's say one woman has 2 suitors. One man has 2/10 looks but 10/10 sociability. The other has 10/10 looks but 2/10 sociability. Who are you betting on to win? Yes, I'm aware that this is the plot of Cyrano de Bergerac/Roxanne.
/r/PurplePillDebate19/07/25 04:57 PM
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While I agree that people will compromise on one for the other, I also believe that charisma is superior. If competing for a single woman, I expect that the charismatic man will beat the attractive man. Consider on the flip side that significant neurodivergence is typically more debilitating than being short and/or fat and/or ugly.
/r/PurplePillDebate19/07/25 04:49 PM
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Yes. Physique and other physical aspects are often treated as the most important element of being attractive. However, there is no visual aspect that is as important as charisma. People play up physique because it's easier to work on than developing charisma if you don't naturally have it.
/r/PurplePillDebate19/07/25 03:57 PM
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The problem isn't getting married at 50, the problem is that people at 50 tend to be less willing/able to change and adapt. If you want a partner that is perfectly tailored to you (and you to them) it's better to get the ball rolling on that sooner than later.
/r/PurplePillDebate18/07/25 04:19 PM
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Yet relevant men are basically always married. Marriage improves the way people perceive you, which makes it easier to get promoted or win elections. Splitting rent/mortgage is a giant benefit that's only growing with the real estate market being out of control. But then you're also taking a break from sex, which isn't ideal. High risk, high reward. It's worth it if the reward is a partner that is perfectly tailored to you. Yes, benefits, which is why marriage is still extremely common.
/r/PurplePillDebate18/07/25 04:16 PM
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Because marriage is a key mark of status among high value men. Because settling down has legal and financial advantages. Because a good marriage is less work than playing the field, which frees you up to pursue other things. Because optimal monogamy has the potential to result in the best possible sex. Because claiming those benefits becomes further difficult as you keep aging.
/r/PurplePillDebate18/07/25 02:50 PM
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Your entire argument is based on the premise that masturbation is unhealthy, which is false. Regular masturbation is healthy, and has benefits like reducing the risk of prostate cancer. Masturbation can be unhealthy if done excessively, much like drinking or dieting or exercising, but normal people don't have those problems. Likewise, therapy is helpful for normal people, and unhealthy for a small segment of the population that chooses to have an unhealthy relationship with it.
/r/PurplePillDebate18/07/25 02:13 PM
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I agree with your premise (actual good guys are hard to find, don't waste time on trainwrecks) but I disagree with the conclusion (put dating on ice until you're older). Dating is a social skill and you need to develop it, or you're more likely to screw up when Mr/Ms Right comes along. Interrogation is also a social skill, and one that's ludicrously helpful beyond dating. Being able to ask the right questions and get the right information out of people also needs to be developed with practice. S…
/r/PurplePillDebate18/07/25 01:46 PM
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No, but that's not a bad idea. What they need is the charisma to make women feel good about being with them. The point of the clip is that a P30L doesn't make you John Wick, but it makes you feel like John Wick. If you can have that effect on people, then people respond.
/r/PurplePillDebate17/07/25 11:47 PM
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I made that a link if you need more explanation.
/r/PurplePillDebate17/07/25 11:42 PM
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That only holds up if the man has no X-factor and the woman has no standards.
/r/PurplePillDebate17/07/25 11:40 PM
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That's a damning question, coming from a vampire.
/r/PurplePillDebate17/07/25 10:18 PM
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One of the hard truths in life is that no one really owns no one. This isn't a hard truth for anyone with a healthy outlook.
/r/PurplePillDebate17/07/25 08:52 PM
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I do think there's an issue with applicant saturation. It's an issue that is mimicked in the professional world. The internet and its platforms have made it so that spamming is the primary paradigm. Men have to swipe right at every opportunity while women have their inboxes flooded, just like how candidates are throwing their resume at every post on Indeed while recruiters/HR have mountains of garbage applications to sift through. Nobody has a good solution to either problem. So, it may seem lik…
/r/PurplePillDebate16/07/25 06:35 PM
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On one hand, a lot of the auxiliary aspects of having a social life have gotten a lot more expensive, often disproportionately. On the other hand, I've consistently found across multiple social circles and settings that I'm the only one willing to be sleep deprived and possibly hungover the next day in return for a good time tonight. Even a low-cost night of staying home, grabbing a cold beer from the fridge, and getting on Call of Duty is a really hard sell for my peers.
/r/PurplePillDebate16/07/25 04:22 PM
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...if they're not hateful then nobody is applying that label. By definition, the label only refers to the hateful ones. The frustrated male virgin that keeps his frustration to himself and doesn't subscribe to grift content isn't an incel. There is more to the term that the most literal application of the words it derives from. No. Nobody gets to have a chip on their shoulder without expecting derision in response. Exhibiting such behavior is uncouth. You seem to be taking a stance that these me…
/r/PurplePillDebate11/07/25 06:04 PM
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Yes, because "good looking hunk" isn't a precise specification. There are some correlations and trends, but it's ultimately subjective, which is why my mother swoons for Connery while my wife can't stand the entire franchise.
/r/PurplePillDebate11/07/25 03:38 PM
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Some women think every iteration of James Bond is sexy. Some women only like some versions of the character. Some women don't think any of the 6 main portrayals are appealing. Taste varies. The best explanation for the discrepancy is that some people have better social skills, for the same reason that some people do better working in sales than others. The idea that everyone would find their ideal match is flawed. Dating is not a game of complete information. There are roughly 8 billion people o…
/r/PurplePillDebate11/07/25 02:23 PM
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That's because people don't want to connect the dots: it is normal for high school/college to suck, and to miss out on some of the most desired experiences of those eras, because many of them are fantasies. Entertainment presents them to us not because they're essential, but because they capture our imaginations. As you grow up, you're supposed to eventually figure out that you "missed out" on wasn't all that it's cracked up to be.
/r/PurplePillDebate11/07/25 12:29 PM
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Supply/Demand would sort that out without an issue. As long as male demand exceeds female supply, it would be a non-issue.
/r/PurplePillDebate11/07/25 12:10 PM
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It is not unkind to decline emotional investment in a needlessly self-inflicted issue that can't be fixed by external action. In general, sympathizing with those that resist personal reform is wasteful.
/r/PurplePillDebate11/07/25 12:38 AM
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It is a non-issue, not because it has no consequences, but because it's a self-inflicted problem that requires a self-inflicted solution. There's not really much that should be done from the top down; they need to fix it from the bottom up. As such, we shouldn't waste resources on it when there's stuff that does need a top down solution.
/r/PurplePillDebate10/07/25 10:42 PM
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comparing this to employment is deeply flawed since capital owners always have the upper hand Notice though how most of the reasons I gave were on the accord of the worker rather than because the capital owner made them do it? there will be no love There can be, but first the beggar has to accept their situation and let go of any resentment towards the millionaire. If they can do it, then a connection can form. Most likely they can't let go, it's their fault they won't let go, and they can go fu…
/r/PurplePillDebate10/07/25 09:22 PM
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No, it's like hiring an employee, finding out they worked a bunch of unpaid overtime at their last job because they thought they had to, and now they expect you to be compliant with labor laws because they know better now. A good manager is fine with this. A bad manager resents that they are going to get less productivity than the last company. Or maybe they were just really passionate about the position because it was a non-profit and they believed in the cause. Maybe they thought they could hu…
/r/PurplePillDebate10/07/25 08:44 PM
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That's impossible. We can't just not change; every experience and resulting memory changes us constantly. The act of writing this comment has changed me, even if the effect is infinitismal. She might be superficially the same, but she's not the same, as applies to all of us.
/r/PurplePillDebate10/07/25 07:23 PM
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Men claiming it's unfair that a past partner got more/easier access to sex is blaming the associated woman for making them feel cucked when all she did was grow up, live/learn, and maybe started setting some boundaries.
/r/PurplePillDebate10/07/25 07:06 PM
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Sure, but this is an emotional reaction based on ignorance. The disgruntled men who feel cucked do so because they're attributing the past hookup to the man being attractive rather than the woman being less inhibited because sex was new and exciting, as it was for most of us when we were naive hormonal teenagers. Men are bitter that everyone grew up, then place that blame unfairly on women.
/r/PurplePillDebate10/07/25 06:55 PM
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To quote JK Simmons: We know a thing or two because we've seen a thing or two. Experience gives you knowledge to draw on, which is especially helpful if hooking up with a woman who either doesn't know what she wants or likes, or otherwise can't communicate it to you. Experience doesn't have a downside unless you use it to jump to conclusions about new partners rather than observing and listening.
/r/PurplePillDebate09/07/25 07:42 PM
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They can dictate for themselves, as OP has explicitly done. Why would I waste time and energy to judge people when they'll freely admit their abominable sensibilities?
/r/PurplePillDebate08/07/25 08:45 PM
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I support legalization of prostitution because I think a blanket ban is government overreach, but I support regulating, unionizing, and gentrifying sex work such that market forces keep it out of reach for many rather than prohibition.
/r/PurplePillDebate08/07/25 03:26 PM
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There's definitely something wrong with anyone dating men that hold predatory or even vengeful intentions.
/r/PurplePillDebate08/07/25 04:40 AM
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Of course wife goggles are a thing. It is a positive adaptation that helps prevent dissonance from committing to monogamy.
/r/PurplePillDebate07/07/25 02:10 PM
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Other than all the practical and legal and financial benefits, I want great sex. That fundamentally requires a committed partner who knows exactly how to push your buttons and vice-versa.
/r/PurplePillDebate02/07/25 10:13 PM
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Some of the advice is contradictory because you're trying to satisfy contradictory desires in other people.
/r/PurplePillDebate02/07/25 05:10 PM
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Or...does chatGPT write like me? I've been writing for longer, after all.
/r/PurplePillDebate30/06/25 07:10 PM
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I did, but I'm flattered if you're insinuating that I stole the text for the prior comment.
/r/PurplePillDebate30/06/25 07:08 PM
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He was originally written as a post-war embodiment of noblesse oblige, which is both a British principle and a cultural trope from the time. There was an entire generation of affluent young men that were privileged enough that they might have enjoyed a life of leisure, but instead they were pushed to serve in the military and government because they inherited a world that was rapidly being encroached by the rise of evil authoritarianism. In this regard, Bond served as an alter ego to Ian Fleming…
/r/PurplePillDebate30/06/25 06:06 PM
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James Bond is not redpill. He's genuinely heroic, and he's as much of a gentleman as his job allows. Tony Stark is redpill at first, but then his whole arc is about that kind of behavior backfiring as he becomes heroic.
/r/PurplePillDebate30/06/25 04:44 PM
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I feel like most of this is in reaction to a specific kind of guy who's totally awful, but not as common as the post makes him out to be. It reminds me of a lot of the posts where men complain about women all being hypergamous cheaters, while completely missing that the actual problem is that they're only attracted to the type of woman that's likely to be a hypergamous cheater. You're correct that this is all more tolerable with a lot of money sprinkled on top, but it seems better to seek a part…
/r/PurplePillDebate26/06/25 12:51 PM
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As I detail down the comment chain, that definition of libido is basically a composite of multiple factors coming together, many of which can fluctuate a lot. For instance, your own "libido" is likely very different when you're on vacation than when you're working overtime. Which version do you tell people when they ask how high your libido is? Do you average them and get a value that doesn't correlate to real circumstances? Basically, we can all agree what libido means, but it trying to measure…
/r/PurplePillDebate25/06/25 07:43 PM
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That's my whole point though, "libido" is such a nebulous concept that it's not useful. It's an attempt to simply and quantify a complex aspect of humanity. It's trying to take values from a bunch of different axes and compile them into one axis, which is misleading in most cases. Asking who has more spontaneous desire is almost certainly going to be men. Trying to figure out quantum responsive desire is going to require exotic mathematics or unhelpful shortcuts. Asking who has more orgasms is t…
/r/PurplePillDebate24/06/25 06:03 PM
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But it still comes down to how exactly you're measuring libido, and most of the answers are going to be that men are more stable on average, with higher lows but lower highs. A stable libido isn't the same thing as a high libido though. Consider two runners. One of them is very consistent, always finishing a mile run between 7:20 and 7:40. The other one is much less consistent and can get his time down to 5:45 on a good day but drags out to 9:15 on a bad day. Who is faster? Answer; regardless of…
/r/PurplePillDebate24/06/25 03:43 PM
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I would say that the entire premise is flawed, partly because of disparity between controlled environments vs real environments, and partly because of dynamic contexts. Consider a fictional couple; James and Eva. They live in a major city, and they both work full-time white collar jobs. James wants sex every day, and occasionally twice on the same day. Eva only wants it 2-3 times per week, so that's what they do. There's a bit of supplemental fooling around to help partially close the gap. The r…
/r/PurplePillDebate24/06/25 03:23 PM
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Emily Nagoski (PhD) would say that your concept of libido is wrong by virtue that you're measuring it in terms of frequency.
/r/PurplePillDebate23/06/25 11:18 PM
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Absolutely false. If this is going to continue to be a recurring topic for today, y'all are going to get me qualityposting by the end of it.
/r/PurplePillDebate20/06/25 04:14 PM
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Do you think maybe such subreddits MIGHT exhibit some selection bias?
/r/PurplePillDebate20/06/25 03:56 PM
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Because, once again, women are saying what works, to stroke the male ego in this case. It's not an honest assessment. If it were, you probably wouldn't be hearing about it. If a woman is telling you about a private conversation she had with another woman, you can assume it has been filtered and altered because, like all communication between animals, she is trying to affect your behavior.
/r/PurplePillDebate20/06/25 01:55 PM
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Okay, what other body parts/types should woman shame in order to hit you with an emotional suckerpunch? Women don't shame men for having an enormous penis because it just doesn't work. The men will feel pride instead of shame.
/r/PurplePillDebate20/06/25 01:47 PM
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Body shaming isn't an indicator of women's honest preference, it's an indicator that they know how to exploit a common insecurity.
/r/PurplePillDebate20/06/25 01:09 PM
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Like, certainly cute blonde rural christian tradwifes exist, they're just in short supply compared to the number of dudes who want that. Adding in a very specific kind of PC gamer is drastically going to shrink that pool. Certainly women are represented in all sorts of PC gaming, but there's very little overlap with the other traits. For instance, PC gamers in general skew towards being urban. The kind of woman who's into overtly masculine games is less likely to want to be held to traditional g…
/r/PurplePillDebate19/06/25 03:41 PM
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PC gaming meant something very different in the 90’s than in the 10’s though. To expand on that, he specifically wanted a woman who was enthused to play PvP milsim shooters with him. So, in 90's terms, a woman who built a PC to play Rainbow Six and Day of Defeat.
/r/PurplePillDebate19/06/25 03:17 PM
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It goes both ways. I had a delusional friend in high school who never got laid through college because he insisted that he was holding out for a cute blonde christian virgin that wanted to be a tradwife AND was interested in hunting, fishing, and PC gaming. He would absolutely not accept that most of those traits were not only a tall order, but absolutely did not correlate with PC gaming, so he'd have better luck trying to seduce a unicorn.
/r/PurplePillDebate19/06/25 02:13 PM
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Counterpoint: very high intelligence makes it difficult to empathize and connect with people that are closer to average. This results in poor socialization as smart kids become socially outcast. Often the short term solution is to disingenuously emulate normalcy, which causes long term problems.
/r/PurplePillDebate18/06/25 10:11 PM
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No to the first question, yes to the second. Women in (good) action movies are hot, even though their behavior is typically very masculine. Consider Ballerina as a most recent example. Consider how the competent Bond girls tend to be hotter than the bimbos.
/r/PurplePillDebate14/06/25 12:06 AM
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I strongly disagree with your premise. I estimate about 1 in 4 people lack basic decency.
/r/PurplePillDebate09/06/25 10:13 PM
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While I'm NOT suggesting that men are generally oppressed, the factor that makes this complicated is that the distribution of power between men and women are not equally wide. Suppose power is distributed on a scale of 0-100. Men are distributed from 50-100. Women are distributed from 30-70. Obviously, this is unequal. However, there's no way to shift the distributions where everyone will be happy unless they can somehow be compressed/stretched to the same width, which is likely even more diffic…
/r/PurplePillDebate27/05/25 07:26 PM
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This is where we can agree to disagree. I believe a surprisingly large number of people would like to harm other people, but don't because they're afraid of the consequences, hence why the "in the woods" part is relevant. Bears harm people because they feel threatened, or rarely (unless polar bear) because they want food. People harm people for a lot of reasons, and a very common one is simply that they wanted to.
/r/PurplePillDebate24/05/25 01:01 PM
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Bear encounters aren't actually all that rare if you include all the ones that result in no contact because the bear chose not to engage and ran away before the human even knew it was there. There's a lot of wildlife that we encounter in this way. I've encountered a brown bear in the woods before. I saw it from about 100 yards away as it ran away.
/r/PurplePillDebate24/05/25 12:42 PM
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Humans are known to kill humans more than bears. Objectively, the deadliest animal is actually the mosquito in terms of total humans killed. Bear attacks are very rare.
/r/PurplePillDebate24/05/25 12:28 PM
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This is such a silly hill to die on. The bear is the rational choice unless it's a polar bear. Otherwise, men are objectively more dangerous.
/r/PurplePillDebate23/05/25 06:41 PM
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Mathematically, that's a 100% benefit.
/r/PurplePillDebate23/05/25 04:11 PM
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The orgasm gap is primarily due to women having objectively trickier anatomy. The fact that some women can't figure out how to orgasm on their own is proof.
/r/PurplePillDebate19/05/25 12:02 AM
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Okay, what do you propose as a catch-all term for mitigating an inferiority complex via aggressive behavior? This is two degrees disconnected from what I actually said. I don't have an actual study on truck sizes, but I expect it would have similar results; I'd venture that the stereotypes around compensation are a form of just-world fallacy. Assuming it were real though, people would be compensating for their dissatisfaction with their attributes rather than the actual attribute values. Height …
/r/PurplePillDebate18/05/25 03:52 PM
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to a tall person you wouldn't use Napoleon Syndrome you would likely say "Small Dick Syndrome" or attack whatever shortcoming you think is causing the behavior. Nope, but at this point we're just disagreeing on semantics. I would use Napoleon Syndrome to refer to the basic pattern. In my opinion, it's simply more elegant phrasing than "small dick energy" but otherwise interchangable. I often view the lifted truck thing as a joke Except the people making those comments are dead serious more often…
/r/PurplePillDebate18/05/25 03:25 PM
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Napoleon Complex can be applied to tall men, it just transforms the connotation to presume that you're compensating for other anatomical shortcomings. Case in point, you can be 6' 6", but if you drive a lifted truck (especially with huge rims and tires unsuitable for any terrain other than pristine suburban pavement) then people will just assume that it's genital geometry that you're compensating for. The same goes for men that favor motorbikes with obnoxiously loud exhausts, as well as men that…
/r/PurplePillDebate18/05/25 03:11 PM
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A Napoleon Complex is the perceived use of aggression as a form of compensation for shortcomings. Women would also be called out for it, because at the end of the day, people do not like other people exhibiting aggression. Consider the root issue; women bully short men because they want to push them to be less assertive/aggressive and more passive/submissive. A Napoleon Complex is the exact opposite outcome.
/r/PurplePillDebate18/05/25 02:32 PM
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As a straight man, my initial impression is that I'd rather fight the guy on the right, so I fully believe women would prefer the left photo.
/r/PurplePillDebate29/04/25 06:01 PM
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It depends on how you want to define abundance. Suppose there are 1,000 quality men within what you consider a reasonable distance, and you only need to bag one of them. Now suppose that they make up 1% because the total pool of men is 100,000. Is that abundance? Now suppose that there are only 10 quality men, but the total man pool is only 100. Are the quality men more or less abundant now?
/r/PurplePillDebate20/04/25 05:53 PM
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I've never dated a woman in my income bracket Generally, I'd say you should only be dating women in your income bracket, unless you somehow manage to charm a wealthy heiress. Most of the risk you've expressed is a direct result of dating below your income bracket. Should I start dating women in high end professions that are 10 years older than me...? Yeah, probably, but I'm sure there are also some women your age in high end professions, so maybe start with them. it still carries some social sta…
/r/PurplePillDebate20/04/25 05:33 PM
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They aren't seeing escorts as a full alternative to marriage, since married men are inherently married.
/r/PurplePillDebate20/04/25 05:15 PM
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Sure, and the factors that lead those women to initiate divorce are often there from the beginning, in both partners. If you optimize your partner selection around either long term stability rather than either short term fun or speculative change ("I can fix him/her") then you can mitigate most of the risk. The issue is that this requires self awareness and personal intervention, because we're naturally drawn towards unhealthy choices, like fast food and recreational drug use and staying up too …
/r/PurplePillDebate20/04/25 02:45 PM
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But that's a complete non-issue if you pick a woman who doesn't take you to court.
/r/PurplePillDebate20/04/25 02:34 PM
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Marriage is dangerous if you forge it based on passion rather than trust. It's much less dangerous if you approach from the perspective of looking for a business partner than a sexual partner.
/r/PurplePillDebate20/04/25 02:20 PM
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Escorts are the best option if you have bad goals. Marriage and surrounding legal framework is only problematic for men with bad goals that lead them to make bad decisions. Marriage is by far the best choice for gentlemen with good goals. There's a reason that top men are basically always married.
/r/PurplePillDebate20/04/25 01:56 PM
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Diamonds are valuable, or else restricting the supply wouldn't work.
/r/PurplePillDebate19/04/25 03:06 PM
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Except you're drawing a false equivalence. Sex is not a need. Life is a need. You do not need sex to live. You do need to reduce/eliminate exposure to deadly pathogens in order to live. Nobody owes you sex. Anybody exposing you to deadly pathogens owes you a disclosure.
/r/PurplePillDebate19/04/25 02:27 PM
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Aids is an internal problem Aids is a condition directly caused by a foreign body (HIV) Suicidal tendencies...requires rejection Rejection is not a foreign body. What's actually causing the suicidal tendencies is your own personal emotional reaction to the rejection. Hope you never have suicidal tendencies Been there, done that, turned out that I needed to just get over it and adopt a better mindset. Why are you so against the idea that sometimes the problem lies on your life instead of in your …
/r/PurplePillDebate19/04/25 01:57 PM
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First of all, who the fuck likes cheaters? Second, I'm just pointing out that your argument seems to be based on some sort of prospective ideal of how you think people should behave, rather than the actual behavior that we can clearly observe.
/r/PurplePillDebate19/04/25 01:32 PM
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Suicidal tendencies are an internal problem that's merely exacerbated by external factors. Either it's all in your head and you need to get over it, or there's a chemical imbalance that's actually the reason for it rather than a lack of fulfillment. HIV is a physical pathogen that violates the body. There's really only 2 normal ways to get it, and both require exposure to other people.
/r/PurplePillDebate19/04/25 01:28 PM
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Tell that to the cheaters. Let them tell you why they don't do that.
/r/PurplePillDebate19/04/25 01:20 PM
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So that puts a giant hole in your entire premise, considering that cheating is nearly always going to be concealed with varying levels of effort. At the end of the day, not getting HIV is fundamentally more important than sexual satisfaction.
/r/PurplePillDebate19/04/25 01:11 PM
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You can die if your partner is cheating on you. It exposes you to the transmission of potentially lethal/terminal diseases.
/r/PurplePillDebate19/04/25 01:08 PM
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I married because it was mutually beneficial for us, and it still is. I'm of the opinion that marriage is only dangerous if you do it with the wrong person or for the wrong reasons. Here's the hard truth; forget about passion, the most important factor is trust and there's no close second. After all, marriage is first and foremost a legal construct. Additionally, top men (presidents, CEOs, star actors, pro athletes) tend to marry. Sometimes those marriages blow up, but they still happen for a re…
/r/PurplePillDebate14/04/25 02:20 AM
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Being introverted is not a personality defect. Agreed. Having an ego is not a personality defect. That entirely depends on what actions your ego drives you to take.
/r/PurplePillDebate12/04/25 12:00 AM
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We should definitely be kinder to men who choose to gracefully recuse themselves from the dating market, whether temporarily or permanently. Conversely though, we should be meaner to men that refuse to work on or acknowledge their personality defects.
/r/PurplePillDebate11/04/25 11:44 PM
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Indeed. The part that people really don't want to acknowledge is that ugly people have a tendency to correlate with ugly personalities and vice versa. The trope of attractive people being super toxic and ugly people having hearts of gold is mostly industrial-grade copium. That's not to say that it's never the case, but rather that it's not the usual paradigm. In reality, the prom king/queen is usually someone both attractive and nice, which is why other people like them. Men have changed both fo…
/r/PurplePillDebate11/04/25 11:17 PM
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The idea that everyone should match with their approximate equal is a common misconception that doesn't hold up to scrutiny. The reality is that the value of a potential partner tends to scale with their desirability, and does so at a different curve than the effort you need to bring to the relationship. To put this more simply, consider the following: If you are a the type of person who's inclined to make lasagna and bring it to your partner at work when they're having a bad day, and your equiv…
/r/PurplePillDebate11/04/25 10:58 PM
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I’ve never been offended by sexualization of men. If anything, I'm offended by antisexualization of men. Steel Panther provides the quintessential male perspective on objectification.
/r/PurplePillDebate11/04/25 12:52 AM
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That depends on where you are and who the woman is, doesn't it?
/r/PurplePillDebate08/04/25 04:46 PM
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Yeah, but it's all about risk vs reward. Would you play Russian roulette for a chance at sex with a hot woman?
/r/PurplePillDebate08/04/25 04:29 PM
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Nonetheless, it should be noted that we had civil equality, and feminists rallied to defend civil equality, and people said "you already have the rights, and nobody is going to take them away" and then they took them away. As such, there does not need to be a current civil inequality for feminism to be justified; just the potentional for future civil inequality, which has been clearly demonstrated.
/r/PurplePillDebate29/03/25 08:00 PM
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You have to keep in mind that America has 50 states with different laws, so some states have men and women relatively equal and some don't. In Texas, women are legally required to die from pregnancy complications. I'm not aware of any situation where men are required to die when treatment exists.
/r/PurplePillDebate29/03/25 01:11 PM
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I used flat correlation for easy math, to illustrate the principle, and because I don't know your criteria. Yes, a lot of desirable traits highly correlate, which causes stratification in the dating market. However some traits can anti-correllate. For instance, I had a friend from high school who was outright delusional. He wanted a cute white christian virgin with traditional values...but he also insisted that she had to share his passion for PC gaming. He didn't understand that a lot of those …
/r/PurplePillDebate19/03/25 01:04 PM
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There are a few factors that work against that. The first is that once you reach the extremes of the curve (1% or 0.1% or 0.01%) then simply encountering women in your bracket becomes a bottleneck. You may intuitively think that algorithm-driven dating apps should be able to expedite the process, until you realize that they have a financial incentive to keep you single. Once you find a suitable woman, you have to make a play. Your odds of success (conversion rate) now compound with your populati…
/r/PurplePillDebate19/03/25 06:03 AM
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If I were going to take a guess, you're likely still single because you have standards that are subject to the same math. If you're underestimating your own rarity (e.g. perceived top 10% when actually top 1%) then you're likely making a similar error with women, looking for what you think is an uncommon but attainable woman who's actually much more rare than you realize. This isn't really unusual; we tend to notice and remember attractive people more than unattractive people, and this biases ou…
/r/PurplePillDebate19/03/25 05:10 AM
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I can't attest for other countries since I haven't played with their data. That said, I'd guess that you're in the top 1%, and if you added millionaire and extrovert socialite then you'd probably make it into the top 0.001% because you're likely underestimating just how many men are short, broke, or fat. Compound factors filter down large populations extremely quickly. Assuming no correlations, if 10% of men are "tall" and 10% are "affluent" and 10% are "fit" then you multiply them together and …
/r/PurplePillDebate19/03/25 04:18 AM
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I honestly don't think I'm in the top 5% of guys over 6ft tall, has a good career, works out 3x a week If you're currently single and living in America then that puts you in the top 1% or higher, assuming that you mean your career pays well and you're physically fit. Might even be close to top 0.1% of single men. Over 6ft tall puts you in a small minority. Good income puts you in a small minority. Not being overweight puts you in a small minority. All 3 of those groups are more likely to depart …
/r/PurplePillDebate19/03/25 03:58 AM
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Men being shamed for a spontaneous conclusion isn't strictly a sex thing. The implication is that the involved man was too excitable and failed to retain his composure. This is shamed because it's a liability in other things that men do. You don't want your teammate to fumble in the fourth quarter of the championship game because they started getting jittery at the prospect of taking home the title. You don't want your colleague to accidentally torpedo a billion dollar business deal before the c…
/r/PurplePillDebate13/03/25 01:09 AM
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Consider the traits you just listed (reliable, dependable, responsible, safe) other than caring, since caring is a specifically human trait. Notice that all of the others are not attributes that we associate with desirable cars. A Lamborghini is not reliable and dependable, it's not responsible, and it's not particularly safe. Instead it's temperamental and indulgent and dangerous, yet highly desirable. A Toyota is reliable, dependable, responsible, and safe. For all those reasons, nobody actual…
/r/PurplePillDebate27/02/25 05:37 PM
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The simplest answer is that most people are hypocrites.
/r/PurplePillDebate24/02/25 04:53 PM
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Regarding that last bit, the key difference is that some of those issues are at a family/community level and some are at an institutional level. The former is much more critical because immigrants can bring those issues to the first world. To use a very politically charged example, when Israeli people come to the USA they can't bring mandatory military service to the USA. Even if they support it, they have to get the rest of the country on board with it for the government to adopt it. That's not…
/r/PurplePillDebate20/02/25 06:00 PM
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Male privilege is superior. I wouldn't trade mine. The men who complain just aren't in a position to leverage it. And benevolent racism/sexism is bad, in that it's not ideal. It's better than malicious racism/sexism, but still inferior ontological individualism. Or to put it more simply, as a white man I hate white supremacy/male supremacy because it eschews personal supremacy. If I beat a latina woman at a game of chess, I don't want people to think that I had the advantage because I'm white or…
/r/PurplePillDebate19/02/25 03:11 PM
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When being menu-worthy is a source of social credit, it's worthwhile. Besides, you wouldn't want people to think you're some sort of filthy peacemonger.
/r/PurplePillDebate19/02/25 04:10 AM
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Yeah, but you have to look at it in the context of individual countries. Americans didn't die at Stalingrad...because they weren't there. Likewise, selective service isn't a big deal in the US because the US won't use it, but would be a bigger deal for other countries that might need it. That said, if you are in a non-G7 country with a credible likelihood of conscription, then sexism isn't nearly as much of a problem as belonging to such a country in the first place.
/r/PurplePillDebate18/02/25 09:57 PM
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That's only a downside if you actually get conscripted. My whole thesis, consistently across this thread, is that nobody in America is actually getting drafted. It's like if I write you a check for a billion dollars that you can't cash, and I know you can't which is why I write it in the first place.
/r/PurplePillDebate18/02/25 09:07 PM
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Having no choice is fine when you get the best of both worlds without any downside. I'm about to walk into Costco. I can choose to pay $1.99 for a slice of pizza. I can choose not to and save the $1.99 for other things. You know what's better than choosing? Free pizza!
/r/PurplePillDebate18/02/25 08:24 PM
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The same is true with racism. There are cases of people benefitting from racism. It's still racism and it's still bad. Let's say I'm selling my house. As a white person, I will get a higher value than a black person would for the same house. That's bad for black people for obvious reasons. I dislike it as a white person because it's intellectually lazy and because I'm a staunch individualist that dislikes being categorized.
/r/PurplePillDebate18/02/25 08:19 PM
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Volunteering is not the same thing. If you volunteer, you actually have to go serve. If you register with selective service then you don't actually have to do anything but you gain social credit for it for free.
/r/PurplePillDebate18/02/25 08:12 PM
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After Vietnam, the draft is so politically toxic that neither party can trigger it, at least for another half century if not more. With much of the other stuff going on, one side is cheering while the other side is appalled. The draft returning (unless there are foreign boots on American soil) is just about the only thing that would unite the American right and left.
/r/PurplePillDebate18/02/25 07:06 PM
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I'd say that their concerns are valid on account that right-wing politicians are liars. Looking at the situation in American, the Supreme Court struck down Roe v Wade after claiming it was "settled law" in confirmation hearings. As such, I think it's reasonable to suspect that right-wing parties have nefarious intentions that they aren't being honest about. Likewise, the current president bragged about not starting new wars and keeping America out of foreign conflicts, only to immediately start …
/r/PurplePillDebate18/02/25 06:19 PM
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In America, we don't do cannon fodder. Best case scenario, we flex our air superiority. Worse case scenario, we massacre groups of insurgents in the middle of the night because we have night vision and they can't afford it. Moreover though, selective service is purely ceremonial at this point.
/r/PurplePillDebate18/02/25 06:13 PM
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Those women in Europe are not all that well off. People generally do not view refugees favorably, and so the women are put near the bottom of the social hierarchy of wherever they end up. The war for men is a gamble. If they survive and win then they have a permanent accreditation that boosts their status for the rest of their life. If they lose then they're fucked, so hopefully they don't. But again, if you're not Ukranian then this isn't really relevant.
/r/PurplePillDebate18/02/25 05:55 PM
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If G7 nations have to implement a draft for a defensive war, then shit has hit the fan so hard that none of this matters. And yes, we are immensely different; socioeconomic status is the ultimate divide. If you are a Ukranian man, then sexism is simply not a relevant concern, and suggestions to the contrary are likely the results of Russian propaganda. The reality is that Russia is trying to take your stuff, which in turn will strip you of whatever status you might have. If you kill enough Russi…
/r/PurplePillDebate18/02/25 05:35 PM
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While I sympathize with the people of Ukraine and their geopolitical plight, I'm not going to base by social views on a very particular scenario on the other side of the world that I am not a part of and never will be. I care about privilege and prejudice in the context of living in a G7 nation because I do, as do a majority of Redditors. If you want to talk about that experience then go ahead, but otherwise you aren't offering anything relevant.
/r/PurplePillDebate18/02/25 05:22 PM
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In smaller/less developed countries that are actually at risk of using their draft, then sure. In the case of a global superpower that primarily goes to fight abroad, then nah. You have to look at it from a perspective of geopolitical privilege. After all, privilege is fundamentally a matter for privileged people to dissect and discuss.
/r/PurplePillDebate18/02/25 05:10 PM
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Men across the first world are not being "shipped off and fucking dying." Americans are not getting drafted. Canadians are not getting drafted. Brits are not getting drafted. Europeans are not getting drafted. Aussies are not getting drafted. Japanese are not getting drafted. In America, selective service is toothless because implementing a draft would be political suicide, so every American man gets to claim he's totally upholding his civic duty at no cost.
/r/PurplePillDebate18/02/25 04:59 PM
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And some countries don't force military service on anyone in modern times, so being eligible for a draft that's not going to happen is basically free credibility. You can claim to be a willing and able patriot for absolutely no personal cost since another draft isn't going to actually happen. A lot of privilege that women benefit from is based on a cultural perception that women are weaker or softer or dumber than men. However, nobody wants to be thought of as weak/soft/dumb, which is why it's b…
/r/PurplePillDebate18/02/25 04:39 PM
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I do not want to be conscripted, but I want to be considered worth conscripting. I don't think that's an uncommon sentiment amongst people who don't have a credible risk of actually being conscripted (like the entire US).
/r/PurplePillDebate18/02/25 04:31 PM
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"Prejudice" simply means to pre-judge someone prior to having specific observations of them. It means that you see someone primarily for the group that they belong to rather than as an individual. This is typically negative (e.g. black people steal cars) but can also be positive (e.g. black people are good at sports). While positive prejudice is more favorable than negative prejudice, and receiving more positive than negative is a form of privilege, it's ultimately all bad because it diminishes …
/r/PurplePillDebate18/02/25 04:10 PM
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r/shoplifting is a red flag. Edit: oh, it's gone. Good riddance.
/r/PurplePillDebate08/02/25 01:24 AM
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You're not fooling anyone by ignoring the emotional stimulation that sex robots are intended to provide, which again, is what seperates sex robots from sex dolls.
/r/PurplePillDebate16/01/25 08:30 PM
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It does when the complexity is used to provide auxiliary functions that complement the primary function. Hence, sex robots provide functions alongside primary stimulation, which makes them distinct from sex dolls that don't.
/r/PurplePillDebate16/01/25 08:22 PM
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The complexity of the system determines the function. A Fleshlight or vibrator provides basic stimulation, making them comparable to each other. An entire synthetic human that intends to emulate an experience that goes well beyond basic stimulation is in an entirely different category. After all, there's a reason why "sex robots" and "sex dolls" are distinct from each other as a matter of divergent function.
/r/PurplePillDebate16/01/25 08:02 PM
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women...should treat this as a male vibrator Fleshlight is the male vibrator. This is going way way beyond that. This is not comparable to anything other than male sex robots engineered to please women.
/r/PurplePillDebate16/01/25 03:50 PM
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The issue is that sexual prowess is not only not selected for, but actually harms your chances of getting women in bed. I'm not talking about boasting or puffery (which is often perceived to be overcompensation for a lack of prowess), I mean actual prowess. Back in college, I had a class on human-technology interaction where we had to design the user-facing elements of an app. My pitch was a hookup/dating app that was intended to fix the orgasm gap by having people rate each other after a succes…
/r/PurplePillDebate11/01/25 05:25 PM
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Higher man quality is the only positive incentive for women to lower their standards. The negative alternatives are a degradation of freedom or a supply/demand rebalance in the form of a huge number of men dying in WWIII. Remember, the whole reason women are perceived as having high standards is because they view men below their standards as an inferior choice compared to being single. The only fixes to that are more men being more desirable or being single becoming less desirable.
/r/PurplePillDebate03/01/25 04:14 PM
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Surely you can tell which of your peers have a shot and which are hopeless.
/r/PurplePillDebate23/12/24 06:03 PM
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That very heavily depends on the money/influence that your parents have.
/r/PurplePillDebate22/12/24 10:48 PM
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I'm not specifically saying either applies to the commenter above, but both a really shitty personality or severe autism will outweigh tall/fit/successful.
/r/PurplePillDebate22/12/24 10:40 PM
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Being bluntly honest doesn't work either, anecdotally. I had a male friend in high school/college who insisted that he didn't want to date anyone unless she was "the one" which in this case meant a white Christian virgin who was cute and fit AND was passionate about hunting and videogames. I tried to explain to him that the first half was a tall order and the last part meant that he was holding out for a bonafide unicorn, and he refused to budge on it.
/r/PurplePillDebate22/12/24 09:14 PM
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I disagree that it's easier to increase your appearance as a woman. The difference is rather that women are actively pressured by everyone to work on their appearance, while men are not subjected to the same pressure. There is much that men can do to improve their appearance ranging from good tailoring to cosmetic routines like skincare to male-oriented grooming disciplines like wetshaving. Wetshaving is a really good example. As a man, my introduction to shaving was my father handing me down hi…
/r/PurplePillDebate22/12/24 09:08 PM
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This is precisely it. When 2/3 of the country is fat, then fat is average. To insist on a fit partner is to insist on an above-average partner. In many ways, the average person has enshittified, which leads to assorted discontent.
/r/PurplePillDebate22/12/24 08:56 PM
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Unfortunately, it's considered quite rude in American culture to tell people that they're mid.
/r/PurplePillDebate22/12/24 08:44 PM
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Compare both groups to people who didn't manage to get married at all, and what do you get?
/r/PurplePillDebate22/12/24 08:22 PM
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In a strictly economic sense, class is a matter of where your money comes from, whether from labor or ownership. If you have to work to sustain your lifestyle, then you're working class. There are cultural class roles as well, but for economics it's just what you own or don't. The gap between cultural class and economic class is noteworthy because it has been exploited.
/r/PurplePillDebate22/12/24 06:40 PM
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There's a similar phenomenon in economics. Most people think they're middle class because most people think that lower class is crackhouse broke (wrong) and upper class is Jeff Bezos (right). The reality is that the average person is working class. The "middle class" is a tiny minority, and the "upper class" is absolutely minuscule. If you look at your local Walmart supercenter, both the lowest paid part time employee and the general manager are working class. The general manager's boss is the d…
/r/PurplePillDebate22/12/24 06:21 PM
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It's possible that such women are completely delusional about prospects. It's also possible that you have something else going on that negatively outweighs height and status.
/r/PurplePillDebate22/12/24 05:40 PM
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Sure, there are some 6 foot college educated guys that are wildly incompetent and uncharasmatic...but there's also an enormous number of guys who are wildly incompetent and uncharasmatic but don't have height or a degree either. Height and a degree may not be a silver bullet, but it puts you further up the ladder. This just kind of comes back around to my point: actually average people are much worse than what people intuitively assume.
/r/PurplePillDebate22/12/24 05:38 PM
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Desirable people have more incentive to get married (access to higher quality potential partners) and more opportunity for it. They will get married quicker and easier on average if their desire for such a situation is equal. Sure, individual people may or may not for individual reasons, but it's the overall trend that's important.
/r/PurplePillDebate22/12/24 05:32 PM
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Yes, although I also figured it's a given that "single" is a mandatory trait as well. Part of the issue is that the most desirable people are always the first to leave the dating market. So while people are less healthy on average than you might expect, the ones that are physically and mentally healthy get married and leave the market first, which skews it. Or, more succinctly, the average single person has a significantly lower SMV than the average married person, if they weren't married and bo…
/r/PurplePillDebate22/12/24 04:09 PM
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While I think you're mostly right, I do think there's a crucial piece of your premise that's off. Rather than people overestimating their own SMV, I think the more common problem is that people underestimate their target SMV. That is, they think that they're 6/10, they think they're chasing after men/women who are 6/10, but those potential partners are actually 9/10. The perceived distribution is all wrong. This is where the assorted "delusion calculators" come into play. A woman who's in good p…
/r/PurplePillDebate22/12/24 03:35 PM
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Silly? In the old days, people would sail across the world for the sake of opportunity, both economic and romantic.
/r/PurplePillDebate20/12/24 01:36 AM
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Women live on "easy mode" because they have the ability to very easily achieve men's goals. This doesn't really matter because women have different goals, but men don't want to acknowledge that they aren't playing the same game.
/r/PurplePillDebate16/12/24 09:08 PM
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All dick is not the same. The evidence is irrefutable. (Note: probably NSFW, but not in the way you're expecting.)
/r/PurplePillDebate15/12/24 03:56 PM
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It's an unhealthy habit. We should call out unhealthy habits from both sides, because it helps people become aware of the underlying malice. Social media is often unhealthy for women, just as videogames are often unhealthy for men. Systems such as Instagram and Call of Duty use nefarious algorithms to reinforce the unhealthy elements into a vicious feedback loop. And I say all that as someone who has every intention of spending the second half of my day binging on Call of Duty.
/r/PurplePillDebate13/12/24 02:35 PM
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That's why I tend to judge the execution rather than the overall style concept. You can look sharp in either flannel or a cardigan. You can also look sloppy in either.
/r/PurplePillDebate09/12/24 06:52 PM
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Incidentally, I tend not to judge workers/employees because work uniforms and/or occupational requirements generally dictate what people must wear with little room for decision making. I judge people for what they wear when they have the freedom to choose anything, such as on their day off. Some people choose well, and some people choose poorly.
/r/PurplePillDebate09/12/24 01:47 PM
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Even married, I still care about making good impressions on other people. A lot of the things that women find attractive (e.g. being in shape, groomed and hygienic, dressed fashionably) are also marks of status. Also, people that give off a vibe of not giving a fuck about what others think are insufferable. I don't want to be around them, and I certainly don't want people to think I'm one of them.
/r/PurplePillDebate08/12/24 08:05 PM
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I have proposed an alternative correlation to supercede the oft-cited crime statistic. Do you have an alternative corrosion to propose for socially aggressive men?
/r/PurplePillDebate25/11/24 11:58 PM
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And you haven’t shown the correlation anyway. Notice how I said "PERCEIVED correlation" rather than just correlation? I didn't say that it's correct, just that it's a perception that drives behavior, and will continue to drive behavior until the perception is challenged. Speaking of correlation, if this is the justification, then there is a certain... correlation, relating a certain demographic that makes up 13% of something but do 52% of something, very popular correlation among white supremaci…
/r/PurplePillDebate25/11/24 10:01 PM
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I'm suggesting that getting angry simply galvanizes your opposition.
/r/PurplePillDebate25/11/24 07:47 PM
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Why you need to attach some anatomic trait to something that is a behavior? Perceived correlation
/r/PurplePillDebate25/11/24 07:46 PM
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Sure. One of those courses of action doesn't affect me at all because it's a private matter, and one of them affects me everyday on my commute because it's a public matter. Guess who I'm more likely to shame as a result?
/r/PurplePillDebate25/11/24 12:58 AM
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That's still a case of discriminate aggression. There is a specific group that such women are targeting with their aggression. As a result, such targeted women have a casus belli to justify some retaliatory snark. The rest of us don't though; it's not our conflict. However, when certain men exhibit aggression towards EVERYONE, then they provide justification for EVERYONE to strike back.
/r/PurplePillDebate25/11/24 12:44 AM
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Women usually don't behave in an indiscriminately aggressive manner. They may be rude or agressive to specific people, especially those that they envy or feel threatened by, but it's uncommon for it to be completely indiscriminate. Consider a stereotypical example of a man with a small penis who compensates by buying a huge truck and putting it on huge rims and lifting it up to make it look even bigger and then modifying the exhaust to make it obnoxiously loud when he revs it at red lights. Such…
/r/PurplePillDebate24/11/24 11:50 PM
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There is a distinction here, because ugly is a subjective judgement while anatomical dimensions are very objective. Ugly behavior can change our perception of someone and render them ugly to us, while size is simply a hard fact that does not change with your opinion on someone.
/r/PurplePillDebate24/11/24 08:09 PM
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Women don't generally compensate for insecurity about their genitalia by behaving aggressively towards other people. The Napoleon Complex is a decidedly male phenomenon.
/r/PurplePillDebate24/11/24 08:04 PM
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Absolutely not all women are like that, just the easiest ones to find. If you actually know how to look, you can find any type of person you want.
/r/PurplePillDebate16/11/24 03:53 AM
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I would make the argument that Red Pill guys are focused on women that date around, fun, and also up to attractiveness level of Hawk Tua and her friend. Yes, which is the problem. Those women are overvalued and competition is fierce. I don’t think guys comprehend what some young above average looking women have on their table with options. I think they do, they just choose to be bitter because the alternative is that they would have to hold themselves accountable for their bad strategy. The real…
/r/PurplePillDebate16/11/24 01:25 AM
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Red theories and discussion center around a specific group of women in a specific time of their life. Red pill talk is about women like Hawk Tua and her friend and how they operate. At any given moment this is likely only 30% of single women 20-35. It’s a low current percentage of total women, but it’s the sub section of women that single men who want women care about. The key issue is that RP acts like these are all women, and when you point out that they have tunnel vision for a specific type …
/r/PurplePillDebate15/11/24 11:01 PM
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Yes, but the problem with "self-defense" is that you have to convince the jury that there was a credible threat. Coming back around to my original point, again, you can very easily convince the jury that the bear was a threat. Most people will believe you. The PETA crazies will give you shit about the bear being in its natural environment or whatever, but most people will accept that the bear was trying to eat you. Most people WILL NOT accept that the man is a credible threat, no matter how obvi…
/r/PurplePillDebate11/11/24 07:32 PM
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That is literally the dumbest thing you could do. Especially when lethal force is involved you act on the threats as they present themselves not on the imaginary worse case scenario. Preparing is action. Buckling my seatbelt when I get into the car is an ACTION that I take to PREPARE for the worst-case possibility of a collision. You can PREPARE for the worse case scenario, you cannot ACT on it unless the threat presents itself. And that's the problem; if a bear presents a threat then you're all…
/r/PurplePillDebate11/11/24 07:16 PM
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There are no guns, no assumed threat. It is instinctual to answer the question as you naturally are. If you normally carry a gun for personal protection, then it's normal to assume you would have it if you end up with a man or bear. The question is not "you're in the woods and you've left all your normal accoutrements at home." I mean, I normally wear shoes, so I think it's fair to answer as if I'm wearing shoes, unless the question specifies that I'm barefoot. The misandristic problem with the …
/r/PurplePillDebate11/11/24 06:36 PM
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As I laid out in the scenario, I'm assuming there is an explicit threat, not just a bad first impression. You don't have to shoot the bear. You don't have to shoot the man. Both can be chill. Both can be very not chill. However, people will believe that the bear is dangerous, while they won't believe that the man was. This isn't strictly a women's problem, although there is bias in the justice system against them. This is a problem that affects every law abiding citizen. Also, you should be perm…
/r/PurplePillDebate11/11/24 05:01 PM
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The man-bear debate - if there are actually women who trust the bear more - please fuckoff to the mountains where we don't have to put up with your hysteria and mental issues. The bear is the logical pick. If you find yourself in the woods, you can immediately shoot the bear. Virtually nobody will bat an eye when you claim you were threatened and it was justified. People understand bears are dangerous. If you find yourself in the woods with a man, you have to hope he's benevolent or you're screw…
/r/PurplePillDebate11/11/24 04:54 PM
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The rates of feminism and misandry have skyrocketed among western women, and it's natural that men don't want to risk providing protection to people who follow these ideologies. That's not right at all. That's not even in the same ballpark as right. Men's hesitation to get involved with altercations has NOTHING to do with beliefs that the woman may or may not hold, and EVERYTHING to do with the legal system punishing you for trying to be helpful. If they aren't family, then they are probably not…
/r/PurplePillDebate06/11/24 01:55 AM
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A quality shave goes a long way.
/r/PurplePillDebate04/11/24 06:11 PM
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This included the Bachelor Joker. I've been awake for less than an hour and this has already exceeded my cringe quota for today.
/r/PurplePillDebate03/11/24 02:11 PM
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Here's some NSFW context from the 4chan subreddit.
/r/PurplePillDebate26/09/24 06:17 PM
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They transcended crypto to become general financial news, kinda like how Elon Musk transcended automotive manufacturing to become what he is now.
/r/PurplePillDebate26/09/24 06:01 PM
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Okay but their dating woes don't matter to anyone. You can't commit 9-figure financial crime without some legendary debauchery, and debauchery tends to capture the public's imagination. Apparently Caroline was nicknamed "The Weasel" due to one of the coke-fueled orgy games they would play on their private island. And doubtful than anyone in this sub was a victim of their stealing. Their main victims were normal people. They hired celebrities (like Shaq) to promote their exchange, and then simply…
/r/PurplePillDebate26/09/24 05:58 PM
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They're the most notorious fraudsters of the decade. They stole billions through a crypto scheme that catastrophically imploded when the market shifted. Think Bernie Madoff but more techy and less clever.
/r/PurplePillDebate26/09/24 05:45 PM
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Well, they matter to a lot of people because they made their billions by stealing from a lot of people. It's basically Wolf of Wall Street but for the current decade.
/r/PurplePillDebate26/09/24 05:40 PM
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What region or culture you are from (United States, Europe, Asia, Western, Eastern, etc.) Texas, United States How long you have been together (if married, please include years dating + married) Married for 2, together for 7 Does your wife/gf contribute to the household expenses? What does this split look like? We co-own a small business that she inherited when the previous owner gave up on it. Does your wife/gf contribute to planned dates or the overall date fund? Have you ever split the cost o…
/r/PurplePillDebate24/09/24 01:20 PM
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A troublesome woman is one that exhibits behaviors likely to cause trouble, either short term or long term. Women being attracted to abusive and/or criminal men is a troublesome behavior, for example. Women being inclined to cheat is a troublesome behavior. Women being promiscuous and not insisting on protection is troublesome behavior. Women partying hard with illicit drugs is troublesome behavior. Gold-digging and AF/BB are troublesome behaviors. Here's the thing, most women don't do these typ…
/r/PurplePillDebate17/09/24 04:09 PM
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Only a certain type of woman goes for the bad boys, but men are disproportionately attracted to troublesome women.
/r/PurplePillDebate17/09/24 01:13 PM
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their examples of 'Chads' we're basically all male models/celebrities that maybe 1% of the male population looks like. I find it unlikely the majority of women will have sex with such men once in their lives. Yeah, but these men are typically chasing the top 15%-5% of women while thinking that they're chasing the top 60%-35% because they don't realize just how many women are excluded by the standards they've set.
/r/PurplePillDebate06/09/24 10:18 PM
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While "your rating is what you can get" sounds intuitive, it's mathematically stupid because it stakes the male ranking distribution curve to the female population size. Instead, the men should be ranked strictly against the other men in the population pool, forming a normal distribution (bell curve). Otherwise, you're just creating a headache for yourself. Nonetheless, my key point still stands: disparity between male and female population participation causes some severe skewing, which people …
/r/PurplePillDebate01/09/24 05:01 AM
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Actually, there is inflation in the dating market, and it's a direct result of supply and demand. There are a considerable amount of modern women that are simply okay with being single long-term or perpetually, either due to dissatisfaction with the men available to them or dissatisfaction with men in general. This creates a market imbalance where there are more men than women. Let's exaggerate the math to help make this clear. Let's take a population of 200, split evenly into 100 men and 100 wo…
/r/PurplePillDebate31/08/24 10:51 PM
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There are 2 key issues. The first is the conflict between legal and tactical ramifications. If you step in, the aggressor might attack you in response, which can result in either death or disability. The only way to completely eliminate this risk is to immediately shoot the aggressor. If you do this though, you're almost certainly catching a murder charge. The problem is that someone can go from appearing (to a jury) as completely non-threatening to striking in an extremely small amount of time.…
/r/PurplePillDebate29/08/24 01:36 PM
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This is a matter of jurisdiction. In some places, you do have an obligation to help. In other places, you will be punished for trying to help. Always know your local laws, especially in America where they can vary by city.
/r/PurplePillDebate29/08/24 12:50 PM
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If people were honest about the unfairness of dating then the message of the manosphere would change but a similar number of people would flock to it. You're missing the underlying factors that drive it. Modern dating, like capitalism, is an individualist meritocracy. The result of an individualist meritocracy will be that there are absolute winners and absolute losers. Some of those losers will work to gain merit in order to become winners, but others will seek to collectivize with other losers…
/r/PurplePillDebate27/08/24 02:21 PM
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I think what's going on is very obvious: women are incredibly paranoid and frequently suspect being "drugged" when in reality it's just the symptoms of their own voluntary alcohol/recreational drug consumption. I'm going to have to side with the women on this one. It's not "incredibly paranoid" to be vigilant when there's even the slightest possibility of an intolerable scenario. Telling women that they're exaggerating the danger of drink spiking reminds me of all the bad arguments for disarmame…
/r/PurplePillDebate16/08/24 10:52 PM
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I think you're misunderstanding the underlying reasoning. A single parent generally demonstrates a certain level of responsibility, but comes with the burden of having a child that must be accounted for. Most women want a responsible man, and they'll put up with a child to get it. Conversely, responsibility is not a key trait that men are looking for, so to them it doesn't justify the drawback of the child.
/r/PurplePillDebate04/08/24 04:55 PM
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Women hate the manosphere at the moment because it's been hijacked by right-wing politics and now presents a significant threat to women's liberties.
/r/PurplePillDebate21/07/24 01:26 AM
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I'd make the case that most popular philosophies mandate self-improvement, so you should perpetually be doing it anyway regardless of dating prospects.
/r/PurplePillDebate13/07/24 09:48 PM
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People generally hate it when other people hold on to high standards, especially when it feels hypocritical (e.g. fat man/woman demanding a thin partner, promiscuous man/woman demanding a virgin partner). Rationally, single moms should be generally less desirable than women with similar qualities but no kids. Because of that, men would figure that they would hold lesser standards to compensate, and therefore be easier to score with. So, single moms attract a disproportionate amount of low-value …
/r/PurplePillDebate11/07/24 10:01 PM
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The orgasm gap is important because reducing it is the only viable way to reduce male sexlessness.
/r/PurplePillDebate07/07/24 04:28 AM
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Women who quit the market are celebrated until about 30 if they're average, and up to 45 if they have a good career. Men who quit the market are viewed as losers instantly.
/r/PurplePillDebate05/07/24 12:53 AM
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The red pill is both an ideology and a community, which over time have diverged until they oppose themselves. The key reason for this is grifters. The red pill creates a concentration of vulnerable young men, and assorted predatory con men take the opportunity to exert influence. This was never a good thing, but around 2016 it took a turn for the worst as right wing politics crept in.
/r/PurplePillDebate27/06/24 07:07 AM
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However, that makes sense in the context that women are generally doing much less chasing. Men are chasing the top as their main strategy, while women are chasing the top as a side quest.
/r/PurplePillDebate24/06/24 12:04 AM
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Statistically, OKCupid reported that most men were chasing the top 35%, but otherwise you're on point.
/r/PurplePillDebate22/06/24 10:39 PM
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Rather than blaming the winners of the game, or blaming their parents for giving them a poor entrance to the game, they resent women for not playing the game at all. This lets them deflect from their own lack of merit.
/r/PurplePillDebate15/06/24 07:57 PM
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Here's the thing; all of the privileges that you've listed apply relatively universally to women. if you're a woman, then "women are wonderful" applies automatically. It's just how it is. This is in stark contrast to male privilege. Male privilege is not automatic and universal, because the main male privilege is agency and agency is only as useful as you make use of it. Amongst men there are absolute winners and absolute losers. The winners flex their privilege all the time, while the losers ca…
/r/PurplePillDebate15/06/24 02:55 PM
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As a man I see no reason to marry without the children. Status. There's a reason that single men almost never become president.
/r/PurplePillDebate14/06/24 05:35 PM
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Pill theories and Pill communities are wildly different. Red pill theory: be valuable if you want to be valued. Red pill community: women are evil sluts. Blue pill theory: just be yourself, there's someone for everyone. Blue pill community: red pill community is full of shit.
/r/PurplePillDebate12/06/24 10:05 PM
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I would like to add a very important criteria that nobody else is likely to mention, and that I wouldn't have thought of when I was younger: "not like Jane Pierce" -marries young congressman Franklin Pierce -her only wish is that he'll leave politics for good -he leaves congress and opens a law firm -she helps him quit drinking -she accepts it when he goes off to war -he didn't even tell her he was going to war -he comes back with a leg injury, she doesn't mind -she still stands by her only requ…
/r/PurplePillDebate03/06/24 05:20 PM
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Well yeah, because men and women are expected to approach the market differently. The idea is that men approach and women filter. If those roles are accepted, then preferences hurt men's performance but boost women's performance.
/r/PurplePillDebate02/06/24 03:13 PM
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I mean, they're directly impacting the supply/demand relationship, and supply/demand imbalance is the root cause of problems for the median male.
/r/PurplePillDebate01/06/24 10:53 PM
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It will be harder for women to achieve women's objectives. It doesn't fucking matter if women can achieve men's objectives.
/r/PurplePillDebate01/06/24 07:28 PM
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Your argument would be stronger if you could give a specific example of observed behavior of women in your social group.
/r/PurplePillDebate01/06/24 12:40 PM
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But that's not how it ever actually works. The reality is that a minority of men will apply themselves to increasing their worth, while the majority can't be arsed to do anything except complain occasionally. In a lot of cases (not just dating) you can immediately elevate yourself just by giving a shit, because most can't be bothered to even do that.
/r/PurplePillDebate30/05/24 05:05 PM
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And you’ve decided that a “horny woman” is just a woman with higher testosterone? No, I've decided that transmen reporting their libido being transformed by testosterone increases doesn't provide a slam-dunk for the argument that men are comprehensively hornier.
/r/PurplePillDebate29/05/24 08:20 PM
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My thesis across this whole thread is that outlier women are more important than average women since men can select for them. If you want a horny woman, then only pursue and compete for horny women.
/r/PurplePillDebate29/05/24 06:40 PM
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The female range for testosterone is 15-70 The male range for testosterone is 300-1000 ng/ml Those are the normal ranges, not the maximum documented levels. For instance, the maximum documented level in a male was over 30,000 although that was the side effect of a tumor. So, a normal woman may be limited to 70, but not an abnormal woman. This idea that female T level outliers exist that rival literally any normally functioning man is patently false. It's certainly possible that women can hit 300…
/r/PurplePillDebate28/05/24 12:24 AM
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Answer: it's class warfare disguised as gender warfare. By pushing the narrative that strength and toughness are the main traits of manliness, they subvert and de-emphasize other key traits like education and wealth that are less accessible to the masses.
/r/PurplePillDebate27/05/24 06:43 PM
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A key element in the modern dating market is that more and more men and women are deciding that members of the opposite gender just aren't worth the trouble, and it's only getting worse with time. The difference though is that women's solution is to just be single and not worry about it, while men's solution is to engineer a substitute.
/r/PurplePillDebate25/05/24 08:26 PM
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Because if you don’t impose on your partner you must be a bottom? You don't have to impose to be dominant. It can be (and usually is) much more subtle. Maybe you just don’t know how to have a equal relationship…. Consider if we quantify the balance of power in a relationship. A perfect 50/50 split is equal. A 50.01/49.99 split is not equal, it's a top/bottom relationship. The difference is small enough that you'd miss it if you weren't looking for it, but it's still there. Or to put it more succ…
/r/PurplePillDebate24/05/24 09:18 PM
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That would be a bottom/bottom relationship, they're just not as common as people think. Typically someone takes a subtle leadership role. Someone "wears the pants." A top/bottom relationship doesn't have to be a strict "I am your master" type deal, it just needs one partner to be predisposed to leading and one to be predisposed to following.
/r/PurplePillDebate24/05/24 09:04 PM
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That would suggest that in your case it isn't a conscious element, hence you don't recognize it. Alternatively, you could be in a bottom/bottom relationship.
/r/PurplePillDebate24/05/24 08:51 PM
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You do understand that only a fraction of people have a bottom/top dynamic but that laws are for everyone? Just about everyone has a bottom/top dynamic, it's just not a conscious element in most cases. Only a fraction of people make it overt.
/r/PurplePillDebate24/05/24 08:45 PM
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The linked article attributes a genetic legacy of 16 million to Khan, and 1.5 million to Giocangga. Edit: it's badly worded. It attributes 16 million to Khan globally, and 1.5 million to Giocangga in just northern China.
/r/PurplePillDebate24/05/24 06:58 PM
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That all just does to show the quantity of horny men, not the horny potential for an individual man or woman. People are too concerned with the market as a whole, when the top 1% of the market is really more important.
/r/PurplePillDebate23/05/24 07:12 PM
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It's pretty difficult to measure sex drive simply by desire. The better method is to look at prolific actualization.
/r/PurplePillDebate23/05/24 07:05 PM
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That's not true. The actual horniest men tend to work their way into power where they don't have to worry about such things. Genghis Khan is possibly the horniest man of all time. In a more contemporary sense, JFK was a notorious sex addict, and LBJ claimed he slept with more women by accident than JFK did on purpose. There are also assorted athletes and actors and rock stars that are well known for legendary debauchery. Yeah, some of them (Freddie Mercury, Elton John) are best known for having …
/r/PurplePillDebate23/05/24 07:02 PM
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The horniest woman is just as horny as the horniest man. The median woman isn't nearly as horny as the median man, I think having eyes shows that women aren’t nearly as horny in any way And then people say shit like this because they think the tiny portion of women who's sexuality is visible to them are somehow representative of the whole population.
/r/PurplePillDebate23/05/24 03:11 PM
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Some cis-women already have high testosterone, it's just a minority. I remember reading awhile back that professional male athletes are discouraged from having sex before the big game because it temporarily reduces testosterone, while female athletes are encouraged to because it actually boots testosterone. This would help account for the extreme amounts of banging that happens at the Olympics.
/r/PurplePillDebate23/05/24 03:08 PM
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I don't think it's that, I think that it's a general obliviousness both to the general nature of the market (the desirables are the first out) and the way traits conflate (high sex drive comes with other quirks). It reminds me of a good post here from awhile back, where the thesis was essentially that sex and drugs and rock and roll all go together, and if you're seeking wild casual sex without the other parts then you're basically sailing against the wind.
/r/PurplePillDebate22/05/24 11:41 PM
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Some of them are married and monogamous. Some of them are married and are swingers. Some of them are single mothers with multiple baby daddies. Some of them are still single and partying hard, but now their lifestyle is seen as "alternative" which makes them "weird" or even "crazy" to the normal people. If you live in a major metropolitan area, check Craigslist for orgies in your local area. There will typically be at least a few women there. That's them. When most people claim they can't find t…
/r/PurplePillDebate22/05/24 08:13 PM
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There certainly are such women. You just don't know them. For instance, there's a reason that the Olympics is a giant orgy behind the scenes. It turns out that the word's greatest athletes of both genders tend to be turbo horny. In a more general sense, in high school, the horniest chicks tend to be involved in theatre programs. If you're not doing theatre, you're likely missing out.
/r/PurplePillDebate22/05/24 06:06 PM
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Individually, women and men can be just as horny. However, a much lower percentage of women exhibit maximum horny compared to men.
/r/PurplePillDebate21/05/24 04:57 PM
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Certainly it ends in divergence. Some men have a constructive response to women's feedback and improve themselves to become viable. Others react destructively and double down on inceldom and fascism. A gap forms and stratifies men further.
/r/PurplePillDebate03/05/24 12:19 AM
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Sure, but part of Hop's theory as to how we got here is social media UX. Take Reddit for instance; on any given post or comment you have the option to upvote or downvote. You can't mehvote or 75% upvote or have any other sort of nuanced rating, you have to choose good or bad. This correlates with other web paradigms, like Rotten Tomatoes simplifying every movie review into simply positive or negative, and then compiles those results into a single number that is then extrapolated into either a "r…
/r/PurplePillDebate20/04/24 09:55 PM
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Hop (gun YouTuber) has a theory that social media has conditioned us to have high-contrast opinions rather than moderate nuanced ones. Color-coded pills allow for viewpoints to more directly oppose each other. It's included in here. The discussion is focused around a particular type of rifle scope that has been trendy in modern years, but you don't really need to understand those particulars for the social media discussion. https://youtu.be/m4aB7XEPkmQ?si=WtLoSYD0QzpOH1RZ
/r/PurplePillDebate20/04/24 03:50 PM
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You're probably right in a technical sense since 51% counts as most women, but that still leaves 49% of women that still can't orgasm even with a genuine super stud, so it's really kind of a pointless assertion. Yeah, maybe 1/5 women could have better sex with a better partner, but 4/5 wouldn't see a major change.
/r/PurplePillDebate16/04/24 01:07 AM
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It’s been male hypergamy all along, you have been shooting out of your leagues. It's more that there's a very narrow window in adulthood where prospects are okay, and if you miss that window for whatever reason then you're probably doomed.
/r/PurplePillDebate15/04/24 04:18 PM
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Your account is incomplete. You reached the part where influencer conmen took over, but then you stopped before the part where rightwing fascist influencers take over from them. Now the Black Pillers are relatively harmless compared to the Trads.
/r/PurplePillDebate14/04/24 02:57 PM
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I dont think we’ll ever have a definitive answer to that but i’m pretty sure it started as a matrix reference to mark the opposition between the bluepill We do definitely know that's where the name comes from. We're not talking about ancient Egypt, some of us were there. which would say it’s all about personnality and the redpill thzt says that it wouldnt and it would instead be about status and look only. No, bluepill was all the bullshit optimistic platitudes like "there's someone for everyone…
/r/PurplePillDebate12/04/24 06:15 PM
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Way too many people are too honest when negotiating. If you want a good deal then you need to lie and bluff and call accordingly.
/r/PurplePillDebate12/04/24 05:45 PM
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Everything attached to it is indeed rotten and serves the purpose of providing excuses at the expense of women I agree. If you give it such a narrow definition then yes it’s not rotten. But you have to because it started with such a narrow definition. The original red pill was that very simple notion paired with the assertion that Disney movies and romcoms are unrealistic bullshit. That's all. Everything else is the corruption that people attached.
/r/PurplePillDebate12/04/24 05:43 PM
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Good catch! Not my finest bit of keyboard slapping.
/r/PurplePillDebate12/04/24 05:28 PM
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The core essence of TRP is "be valuable if you want to be valued." I don't think that's rotten, but certainly some people disagree with that because they're collectivist and weaksauce. I'm an individualist GigaChad and I think it's splendid. All those other beliefs that you're attaching are not the core; they're extrapolations from people who are afraid to really look in the mirror. Or collectivist male supremacists I guess.
/r/PurplePillDebate12/04/24 05:27 PM
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No. Feminism has a bunch of different sects that infight, and all claim to be feminism. TRP doesn't have this aspect. Certain groups that splinter off (MGTOW, a certain banned dark pill) took different names and identities rather than being "third wave redpill" or whatever.
/r/PurplePillDebate12/04/24 05:04 PM
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Yes and no. Some of them might need a better personality. Others have other problems like being ugly, or stupid, or no rizz, or having a massive chip on their shoulder that gives everyone the ick.
/r/PurplePillDebate12/04/24 03:16 PM
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but it's just a facade. It's mostly virtue signaling You have it backwards. TRP isn't good on the outside and rotten on the inside. Rather, the core idea is great but the exterior has corroded. That's an important distinction because it defines the direction of causality. TRP isn't new marketing for old misogyny, it's a pragmatist take that incels hijacked. The key point of TRP is that dating is meritocracy, and the implication of meritocracy is that those without merit can go fuck themselves. S…
/r/PurplePillDebate12/04/24 03:02 PM
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Okay, so it needs to be understood that TRP/TBP are each an ideology and a subreddit that share a name but don't correlate. As an ideology, blue pill is all the bullshit feel-good platitudes that people spout about dating: "there's someone for everyone, just be yourself, etc." as an ideology, redpill is a reaction to the blue pill, which is that if you want people to date you then you need to be someone desirable to date. So, you should work on your fitness and grooming and style and social skil…
/r/PurplePillDebate08/03/24 01:11 AM
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Strong suggestion to make this the "indigo pill." It sounds more unique, it's a rainbow color It has to be green or gold because those are the colors we associate with money. I defaulted to gold because I ran a search for the green pill and someone on this sub already used that for something else. what you're discussing sounds like blue pill-plus, It's closest to original red pill before it got hijacked by alt-right grifters and bitter misogynists, in the sense that it's about pragmatically leve…
/r/PurplePillDebate07/03/24 03:36 PM
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Think about basketball for a moment. It's satisfying to dunk when you're on offense. It's satisfying to block a dunk when you're on defense. In dating, men are on offense and women are on defense. Women rejecting men are women succeeding at their objective, just as men scoring with women are succeeding at theirs.
/r/PurplePillDebate05/03/24 05:27 AM
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Sure, but we live in a world where the Republican party (in the US) is actively pushing for porn bans and restrictions in multiple states, in addition to other right wing pushes across the world. If someone strongly opposes such measures, it seems unintuitive and unhelpful to brand them as anti-porn.
/r/PurplePillDebate26/02/24 03:53 PM
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I suppose that's correct from a certain framework, but I question whether it's a useful one. In my opinion, you're anti-porn if you advocate for banning it, and pro-porn if you oppose a ban.
/r/PurplePillDebate26/02/24 03:44 PM
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You can get a substantial improvement by upping your budget to $20 and $60 respectively. You don't have to go all the way up to Gucci or YSL or whatever, just a little more to go from economy to premium.
/r/PurplePillDebate24/02/24 02:46 PM
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If a guy has a really good build then he can get away with it, but spending a little more on something like True Classic tees and Levi's slim/athletic cuts will be a huge improvement for someone with a decent build. They'll look like they're wearing the same outfit, but their build is much better. This is precisely the case that they make in the True Classic ads on YouTube, and it's actually not bullshit.
/r/PurplePillDebate24/02/24 01:37 PM
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Having clothing that fits well and accents your assets helps present your physical potential. It's not about having fancy brand names or exotic materials, it's fitment fitment fitment. Being able to replace clothing as your size changes, being able to afford adjustments and alterations for garments, and being able to have clothes tailored to you rather than just buying off the rack. The differences can be subtle (doesn't scream money) but go a long way towards making you look your best.
/r/PurplePillDebate24/02/24 05:34 AM
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You can't just change your body/face to be more attractive. You can take certain steps with styling and grooming to help, and you can maybe look into plastic surgery for certain things, but it's unrealistic to expect anyone to just become attractive to solve their issues with dating. Most of us (in western society) can make more money though, if we prioritize it.
/r/PurplePillDebate24/02/24 04:24 AM
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Money quite literally helps you look your best. Having a larger budget for grooming and clothing goes a long way. On top of that, money allows you better food, better healthcare (in America), and better ways to maintain fitness. All of that contributes to a more attractive appearance which will help you land more first dates. More first dates gives you more chances to find a meaningful relationship from one of them. Dating is also expensive if done well. There are cheap dates, but either you nee…
/r/PurplePillDebate24/02/24 04:07 AM
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It's simply a flipped causality: successful assholes aren't successful because they're assholes, they're assholes because they can get away with it and still be successful.
/r/PurplePillDebate21/02/24 10:19 PM
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But some people do actually have standards. And those women still benefit from presenting different standards than what they actually hold. But I do agree that it is a game...to try and manipulate people. Exactly!
/r/PurplePillDebate27/01/24 11:05 PM
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I'm actually cooking up a lengthy post for that which I'll link to for future inquiries, but the basic gist is that long-term monetary gain is more important than short-term sexual gain, and we should reframe dating for that context. While TRP is often skeptical of marriage, the gold pill counters this by pointing out how marriage is a source of status and a cultural and economic advantage. There's a reason that single men almost never become President (looking at you, Grover Cleveland). Therefo…
/r/PurplePillDebate27/01/24 11:01 PM
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Frankly, you seem to misunderstand the purpose of standards. They aren't supposed to be accurate or honest, they're a bluff. Claiming women need to raise or lower their standards is like complaining that poker players aren't betting based on the probability of their hand and are instead playing mind games with the others. That is the game.
/r/PurplePillDebate27/01/24 10:30 PM
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To clarify, I have no intention of making the gold pill be anything more than a concept I use for ripostes here on PPD where the naming scheme is intended to allow it to fit in amongst the other pills thrown around. I'm not starting a sub to grift or anything like that. Also, some drugs are good. The gold pill is a sort of ideological vaccine that connects elements of the blue pill to the sigma male grindset.
/r/PurplePillDebate22/01/24 08:57 PM
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I'm actually cooking up a lengthy post for that which I'll link to for future inquiries, but the basic gist is that long-term monetary gain is more important than short-term sexual gain, and we should reframe dating for that context. While TRP is often skeptical of marriage, the gold pill counters this by pointing out how marriage is a source of status and a cultural advantage. There's a reason that single men almost never become President (looking at you, Grover Cleveland). Therefore, the centr…
/r/PurplePillDebate22/01/24 08:36 PM
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If our society got any more competitive we would be lucky if only 99.99% of the population was wiped out before the end of this month. Nobody gets wiped out. You just get sent to the underclass where you deal with poverty as labor is squeezed out of you. This gets way way outside of the scope of PPD, but it's a fundamental flaw that we attempt to trap people into the lower class because we need to exploit them for labor in order to keep the economy going. This creates unsavory people that we the…
/r/PurplePillDebate22/01/24 06:33 PM
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You have to remember selection bias. You're not in a neutral setting with an accurate sampling of the general population, you're in a filtered group of unusually shitty people. Something about the hiring criteria attracts the kind of people who cheat. If you want to prevent a future where you're a victim of adultery, then don't date any of your coworkers.
/r/PurplePillDebate22/01/24 05:26 PM
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You have it backwards. Actual work is simply an auxiliary function to increase your ability to date.
/r/PurplePillDebate22/01/24 05:17 PM
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It's the first step towards your greatest possible biological achievement, and it's the most important social achievement that most people will experience. The outcomes of dating can include gain and loss, agony and ecstasy, and life and death. By dating being difficult, there's a natural state of defense against some of those negative outcomes. Beyond that, if dating were easy then it would be less valuable, and I don't think that would be preferable. In my estimation, our modern society isn't …
/r/PurplePillDebate22/01/24 04:07 PM
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reading the room can be difficult Dating isn't supposed to be easy.
/r/PurplePillDebate21/01/24 09:49 PM
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You should always volunteer to take the check, even when it's not a date or even involving a woman.
/r/PurplePillDebate18/01/24 04:40 AM
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This is only a problem if you think all women are the same people. So...most of the internet?
/r/PurplePillDebate17/01/24 10:27 PM
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Yeah, because your wife isn't planning to divorce you. So, in her mind if it happens in your hypothetical it's because you've betrayed the relationship and she has good reason to be vengeful. No, I wouldn't go back and try to frame it as "how would you react in a divorce if you started it by cheating" or whatever.
/r/PurplePillDebate15/01/24 02:12 PM
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Mostly though, I don't agree with the premise that parental arrangements should be the priority for our cultural sexual paradigm.
/r/PurplePillDebate12/01/24 11:33 PM
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Your whole argument is based around "objectively good" meaning "less children raised by single mothers" but there are way better ways to accomplish that than slut shaming.
/r/PurplePillDebate12/01/24 11:29 PM
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I do not know if the same expectations are placed on me as a man to "be a man" in that way. I'd make the case that the ideal expectation is for you to compensate for and overcome your disability, depending on the scope of it. I saw a video a few days ago of a guy shooting a handgun on a competition course... but he didn't have any hands. Instead he had a custom race gun designed so that he could operate it with the stubs of his wrists. He had practiced to the point that he could shoot better tha…
/r/PurplePillDebate10/01/24 04:48 PM
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there will be many MEN who oppose these sorts of changes. Sign me up Expectation to be more comfortable with violence and danger - Going to war, killing spiders, expected to be able to fight other men on the street ect. I'd rather advocate for women to become more comfortable with violence and danger than for men to be less comfortable with it. Expectation to be stoic and rational - Men should be allowed to have non-violent emotional expression the same as women, not shamed for being scared or s…
/r/PurplePillDebate10/01/24 04:22 PM
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You can't do speed dating IRL if you're terminally online.
/r/PurplePillDebate09/01/24 06:07 AM
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Most women either don't partake in casual sex or try it briefly before deciding that it sucks. There's a small minority that does it regularly coupled with the rotating segment of women trying it, and the two combined don't nearly provide enough supply to meet the demand for casual sex from men, providing a major source of debate and controversy with assorted crackpot theories to explain.
/r/PurplePillDebate06/01/24 01:35 PM
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I wouldn't accept such an uneven split, but my wife and I share all 3 of those roles mostly evenly. We own our own business though, which is a major factor in that arrangement.
/r/PurplePillDebate03/01/24 09:53 PM
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I think as a whole it benefited women a lot and men a little. However, it's controversial because some men are unworthy to reap the rewards.
/r/PurplePillDebate01/01/24 04:18 PM
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Because it's not all men, it's the leftover men that haven't made it out of the dating market yet. The most desirable men are the first to be taken, leaving behind mostly players and losers. When the quality men return to the dating market after a breakup or divorce or other circumstance, they're the first to leave again.
/r/PurplePillDebate28/12/23 04:26 AM
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Not all sex is comparable to dog shit, just the sex that's readily available. That's the whole crux. Some women mistakenly give in to their desperation and have bad casual sex. Others hold out for good casual sex, which doesn't come from the first dozen bozos they see on Tinder.
/r/PurplePillDebate27/12/23 06:34 PM
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Something you won't use is the same as nothing. Options have no value until they're exercised, so an option that you'll never exercise may as well not exist. However, people will often try to deny it as a means of coping. To use a different analogy, imagine a ladder with 1000 rings. In 2 minutes, the ladder will split at rung 500, dropping the bottom half of the ladder and everyone on it into lava. Person A is at rung 900, and there's no way they can climb up in time, so they're screwed. Person …
/r/PurplePillDebate27/12/23 06:00 PM
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They still treat it as better than nothing when it isn't, because they can't fathom it having negative value. It goes something like this; "You have it so much better, I'm starving to death." "All I have available to eat is dog shit with paprika. I'm starving to death too." "Yeah, but you can eat the dog shit whenever you feel like it. I have nothing." "But I'm not going to eat dog shit." "But you could. Still better than nothing."
/r/PurplePillDebate27/12/23 02:38 PM
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If that were true, we wouldn't get so many threads with men bitching about how women can get sex whenever they want.
/r/PurplePillDebate27/12/23 05:35 AM
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Everyone understands that sex is high value for men. Most men can't understand that typical sex is negative value for women.
/r/PurplePillDebate27/12/23 05:31 AM
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That is only half of the sub. The other half is men refusing to comprehend that getting laid has a completely different value to women than it does for men.
/r/PurplePillDebate27/12/23 12:56 AM
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"What is Will to Power?" "That is correct!" "I'll take Philosophy Cheesesteak for $800"
/r/PurplePillDebate25/12/23 01:47 AM
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we are more or less the same society. We aren't even vaguely close to the same society. You live in a tiny irrelevant town. Move to Rio de Janeiro and you'll be introduced to a whole new world. Unfortunately, it happens to be full of monsters.
/r/PurplePillDebate20/12/23 01:31 AM
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He did answer the question. One is a person and one is not. One of them involves sharing the sexual experience with someone else, and the other lets you keep it to yourself. This assumes that the sex robots are essentially mechanized dolls rather than full AI beings, but adding AI seems to defeat the purpose by discarding much of their utility.
/r/PurplePillDebate18/12/23 07:05 AM
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Then he flairs it "Question for Women" even though it's a history/anthropology question.
/r/PurplePillDebate14/12/23 04:31 PM
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You claimed people cut off their parents for dumb reasons, then refute everyone bringing up their own experiences as not being what you were referring to. What qualifies as a dumb reason and how many people cut their parents off over it to justify generalizing?
/r/PurplePillDebate13/12/23 06:56 AM
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Whatever the reason is, it's clear to me that a hyper-individualistic view of relationships is harmful because of how superficial it is. If you are focused on getting your immediate needs met instead of focusing on the long-term happiness of yourself and others then you will end up with superficial relationships that will not fulfill you. The problem isn't hyper-individualism, it's short-sightedness. It's the personal counterpart to the corporation that destroys their business over time because …
/r/PurplePillDebate13/12/23 06:48 AM
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As with all things, a community formed around TRP that people can and do join. It may sound weird to say you joined Rick & Morty, but it's not inaccurate if you choose to participate in the fandom rather than just watching the show.
/r/PurplePillDebate13/12/23 03:21 AM
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I don't think this is entirely true. I think it's occasionally true for certain people but not for men as a whole. The truth is men have been manipulated from birth (by their mothers and preschool teachers) to view and treat women a certain way which (in the west atleast) benefits women and they use this to their advantage in their relationships with men. Admittedly, I got my idea of masculinity from my mother...because as a child she introduced me to James Bond movies. Sean Connery as 007 is he…
/r/PurplePillDebate12/12/23 06:27 PM
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While I highly doubt that, it really doesn't matter. Your participation would devalue the whole affair regardless of the outcome.
/r/PurplePillDebate11/12/23 03:08 AM
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No, you're the type to defile victory rather than claim it.
/r/PurplePillDebate11/12/23 02:51 AM
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What a loser attitude.
/r/PurplePillDebate11/12/23 02:47 AM
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You're wrong. You see a collection of individual problems and you've bundled them into a collective problem. You don't need everyone to succeed in the dating market; you just need to succeed yourself. Moreover, you are the only person for whom your success matters. All the other men struggling are your competition, and you're playing a game where zero sum strategy is the meta.
/r/PurplePillDebate11/12/23 02:43 AM
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As with many behaviors it all came down to class. If a wealthy man slept around then he was a playboy. If a poor man slept around he was a sleazy degenerate.
/r/PurplePillDebate09/12/23 09:15 PM
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Men are supposed to push themselves to be the best they can be. To decline such a calling makes a man pathetic.
/r/PurplePillDebate05/12/23 08:03 PM
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But scammers sell a product or service that don't exist. You are a product/service, and if you lie about yourself then you're selling a version of yourself that doesn't exist. That makes you a scammer by your own definition.
/r/PurplePillDebate27/11/23 08:37 PM
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If you're thinking this seems inane, I have a pet theory that a big part of the struggle some men are apparently facing is due to a lack of pop-culture application/literacy or being highly atomized. Conversely, my wife likes Dua Lipa, Megan Trainor, and Panic at the Disco. She mostly only listens to mainstream pop, a bit of alt rock based on what was popular when she was in middle/high school, and some country. By comparison, my musical taste is much more broad (in terms of both genres and time …
/r/PurplePillDebate22/11/23 06:57 PM
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I think having the privilege to do so would make me the luckiest, per the thread.
/r/PurplePillDebate19/11/23 02:20 PM
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Millionaires can't buy Twitter on a whim.
/r/PurplePillDebate19/11/23 02:10 PM
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Billionaire men are the luckiest. /thread
/r/PurplePillDebate18/11/23 10:24 PM
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Yes and no. There are plenty of good men, just not on the dating market because they're the first to get out of it.
/r/PurplePillDebate17/11/23 06:25 PM
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To clarify, I enjoy John Wick and don't necessarily believe that movies need to explain how each character became badass, I'm just trying to illustrate that Edge of Tomorrow is the wrong movie to use as an example of poorly-developed highly-skilled heroines unless you set a ludicrously high bar that most conventional action movies can't meet either.
/r/PurplePillDebate16/11/23 07:22 PM
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The soldiers all have exoskeletons that provide their strength, so she has the exact same strength as every other dude. What sets her apart is that she got looped which allowed her to develop her skill until she was unparalleled. This is way more explanation than someone like John Wick gets, where we just write off his crazy skills as willpower.
/r/PurplePillDebate16/11/23 06:55 PM
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Or when the world's most deadly super solider is a 110 pound woman who does badass yoga? (Edge of tomorrow). One of these is not like the others. It's clearly explained how she developed into the world's most deadly super soldier.
/r/PurplePillDebate15/11/23 07:19 PM
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I always did the cinema date because I like to go to the movies, and now that I'm married I still go with my wife somewhat regularly. You're problem is you seem to keep going for ultra-mainstream Disney junk rather than picking out good films, let alone date-oriented films. If you're going to do the cinema date, you have to have good taste in cinema.
/r/PurplePillDebate15/11/23 07:02 PM
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People are naught but genetics and circumstances.
/r/PurplePillDebate23/10/23 11:08 PM
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Competitive polarity. I think I'm going to write up a whole thread on the subject. Basically, there's a gap between those who embrace the competition of the dating market and those who reject it, and it keeps growing.
/r/PurplePillDebate17/10/23 01:58 PM
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The problem is you/too many men think y’all can consistently “predict the thoughts and feelings” of all women like some monolith. I think perhaps you misunderstand me. Going back to my original root comment at the top of this thread, I explicitly prescribe tailoring your approach to each individual woman. I clearly refute the idea that you can treat women as a monolith. Yes, you need to predict the thoughts and feelings of each individual woman you hope to succeed with, and you can only do this …
/r/PurplePillDebate13/10/23 08:00 PM
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Einstein was a weirdo who couldn't handle grocery shopping on his own.
/r/PurplePillDebate12/10/23 09:01 PM
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Charm them by predicting their thoughts and feelings.
/r/PurplePillDebate12/10/23 08:57 PM
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That's your burden to overcome. The strangers you approach don't care, because they're strangers.
/r/PurplePillDebate12/10/23 07:31 PM
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That's fine as long as you approach well.
/r/PurplePillDebate12/10/23 07:27 PM
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And...? I play Rainbow 6 Siege somewhat regularly. I'm okay at it, I guess. Sometimes I kill people that I can't even see because I guess exactly where they are or where they will be. My opponents are intentionally trying not to be predictable and easy to kill, but that doesn't stop me. Just because women are being ambiguous or even misleading doesn't mean you need to fall for it hook, line, and sucker. Your objective is to see through all that by being smart and observant.
/r/PurplePillDebate12/10/23 06:04 PM
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If that's really what you want to call it then you're doing yourself a great disservice. Being able to accurately predict how other people will behave isn't magic. It's more akin to counting cards in blackjack, but on a much larger scale.
/r/PurplePillDebate12/10/23 05:06 PM
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Yes, that sort of double standard for advice is very misogynistic, so we should probably focus on the junk advice for women rather than the great advice for men.
/r/PurplePillDebate12/10/23 04:54 PM
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How about the "sell me this pen" scene from Wolf of Wall Street? The same thing applies anytime you ever sell anyone on anything, and we spend a lot of time selling people on stuff, particularly our ideas.
/r/PurplePillDebate12/10/23 04:50 PM
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Where exactly do you think the advice to not text back quickly came from? Feigning aloofness is a prominent part of bad dating advice, because occasionally it does work.
/r/PurplePillDebate12/10/23 04:45 PM
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Only a pathetic man would complain about that though, because the implication of that dichotomy is that men get the privilege of pursuing greatness while women have nothing to pursue but chemical bliss.
/r/PurplePillDebate12/10/23 04:39 PM
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Clear communication is like a sledgehammer. Sometimes you need a scalpel, like cases when you need to be persuasive.
/r/PurplePillDebate12/10/23 04:10 PM
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Yes, basic. Being able to read people and using what you read to persuade and influence them is a basic social skill, and you need it for business just as much as for dating.
/r/PurplePillDebate12/10/23 03:56 PM
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Clear communication is sometimes viable and sometimes not, just like every tactic. What's bad is failing to adapt to your particular scenario.
/r/PurplePillDebate12/10/23 03:48 PM
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Forget about dating for a second; if you want to be generally successful then you need to be socially savvy. It's not telepathy, it's basic social intelligence.
/r/PurplePillDebate12/10/23 03:44 PM
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The hard rule is that you need to analyze the contextual nuance of the situation to make an intelligent decision, which is to say that you need to actually think about how you approach each individual woman rather than relying on some sort of script.
/r/PurplePillDebate12/10/23 03:27 PM
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Because I'm not interested in trying for a strawman?
/r/PurplePillDebate08/10/23 03:36 PM
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Why does everything have to be this macro view all the time? Because everyone's lives are controlled by macro systems, and the real obfuscation is people trying to deny this because otherwise they'd be uncomfortable with their lack of overall agency. What if a minority says, “white people suck”? The view that I'm steel-manning says that they can't actually do anything to harm white people as a whole right now, so it doesn't matter. My view is that it's concerning because things change, and just …
/r/PurplePillDebate07/10/23 06:27 PM
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I don’t understand how anyone could say it doesn’t matter. Please keep in mind, as I stated in the previous post, that I'm presenting a viewpoint that I don't agree with. I agree with certain components of the view, but not the full result when they all come together. I'm going to assume you're a normal person (if you're literally Joe Biden then this really falls flat). With that in mind, what you think about me (another random stranger on the internet) just doesn't matter. Because: it hurts whe…
/r/PurplePillDebate07/10/23 06:15 PM
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I DO NOT support the viewpoint, but the opposing argument is that personal bigotry doesn't really matter unless it reinforces systemic bigotry. This is what people are trying to illustrate when they say superficially wrong things like "you can't be racist against white people." There is some logic here. If politicians don't make policy to conform to your opinion, then what does it matter?
/r/PurplePillDebate07/10/23 02:48 AM
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Have you ever experienced actual violence in a public place?
/r/PurplePillDebate05/10/23 01:51 AM
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You don't have to attack someone to help them. You have to allow for the possibility that the situation will escalate to violence, even if you intervene in a very reasonable way. People are crazy these days.
/r/PurplePillDebate05/10/23 01:24 AM
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We as a society have decided that men should only protect their immediate family members. Anything else puts you at risk of having your life ruined in court.
/r/PurplePillDebate05/10/23 01:16 AM
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Your choice of wording is poor, and it derails the question that you're trying to pose. To most people, "treating her like a queen" means taking an unconditionally submissive role. After all, a queen isn't simply a woman who lives well; she's someone that has killed or imprisoned all contenders to the throne, and will act with extreme prejudice if any new ones arise.
/r/PurplePillDebate03/10/23 05:54 PM
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And yet, PLENTY of women enjoy casual sex, hookups, FWBs, situationships, etc 🤔 PLENTY is not a majority. A majority of women have removed themselves from the dating market, either by entering a committed LTR or otherwise deciding to abstain from participating in the market. This is why the supply/demand relationship between men and women is so slanted. I mean, both sexes have literally evolved to find sex pleasurable. But one of the sexes only generally finds it pleasurable in very specific con…
/r/PurplePillDebate03/10/23 04:18 PM
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Men and women are fundamentally biologically different. You get this, but you completely miss how this changes the value of sex for women. IMO, posts like these are akin to complaining about the flavor of champagne when men can’t even patch their thirst with water. It's more like a teetotaler complaining about how disgustingly bitter that gin is, and an alcoholic failing to understand how someone can be concerned with the taste because they can't comprehend a lack of desire to get drunk. And tha…
/r/PurplePillDebate03/10/23 03:44 PM
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OP addressed this; in their scenario, the male partner is inclined to maintain a lower standard of living. While that's definitely not the most common approach, there are men like that, including my younger brother. Personally though, I wouldn't want to date/marry someone who wants to stick to modest living after they come into money.
/r/PurplePillDebate27/09/23 02:54 PM
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I mean, just don't be overtly rude when traveling.
/r/PurplePillDebate27/09/23 03:29 AM
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First, they often make a very bad impression of their original country. Second, and related, they tend to be douchebags that are living a lifestyle they couldn't afford in their original country and they tend to be rather crass about their newfound "wealth." Third, they're selfish because they made their fortune in their original country and are now doing what they can to avoid putting it back. Fourth, it's not exactly patriotic.
/r/PurplePillDebate27/09/23 03:15 AM
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I don't like them, but it has nothing to do with PPD. I just don't like ex-pats in general.
/r/PurplePillDebate27/09/23 02:12 AM
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No. They have that, and I have other tools. It might be fun to try their tools, but all tools are situational.
/r/PurplePillDebate26/09/23 03:37 AM
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If you're born a poor and average looking woman... how do you get to the point where you can afford nutritionist personal trainers, designer dresses, exotic jewelry, plastic surgery, etc? You don't; I'm saying that being born with a silver spoon in your mouth is the easy mode regardless of your sex/orientation. I could be misunderstanding, but I took your previous comment to mean that you only think wealth lets men live on easy mode. I think if you're born growing up to look like Megan Fox or Ad…
/r/PurplePillDebate26/09/23 02:17 AM
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Being a very wealthy woman is easy mode too. Any average woman can easily become above average if she can spend all day every day working on it, rather than having to have a job. She can hire trainers and nutritionists and stylists and a PR team to manage her Instagram. She can afford designer dresses and exotic jewelry and plastic surgery as needed.
/r/PurplePillDebate26/09/23 01:42 AM
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If the only thing we can reroll is sex and orientation, I'd probably stick with straight male. I'd consider straight female, not because it's easy mode, but because I'm Machiavellian enough to weaponize sex appeal. The only real easy mode is affluence.
/r/PurplePillDebate26/09/23 01:33 AM
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That's not what shallow means.
/r/PurplePillDebate24/09/23 08:39 AM
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Women are more okay with being single long-term. Men are more inclined to desire multiple short-term partners. Both of these factors skew supply and demand to favor women. Both of these factors are largely due to male behavior.
/r/PurplePillDebate15/09/23 06:42 PM
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Feel free to substitute whomever you think is the most desirable man in 2023.
/r/PurplePillDebate14/09/23 01:48 AM
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Most people envision a flat distribution because it's easy, but normal distribution makes more sense. Consider the 10/10 male. If you use flat distribution, you're giving 9% of men the same score as Jason Momoa. With normal distribution, less than 1% of men score the same as Jason Momoa. Which seems more accurate?
/r/PurplePillDebate13/09/23 09:13 PM
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The contradiction is because right wing grifters have infiltrated TRP.
/r/PurplePillDebate12/09/23 02:39 PM
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I'm working on a pair of epic mathposts that explain why you're wrong, but they're not quite ready for primetime. The main issue is a giant discrepancy in supply and demand. If men and women had similar supply and demand then you would be correct and a man who's a 6 should be able to get a woman who's a 6. We don't though. There are more men actively participating in the dating market, and each man typically contributes more demand to the market than each woman.
/r/PurplePillDebate11/09/23 05:39 PM
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I'm not offended and I understand the utility. However, I think it serves as a scathing indictment of the issues with public transportation, and supports my position that it's better to have car-centric infrastructure.
/r/PurplePillDebate11/09/23 01:31 PM
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You don't need condoms for July or August because everyone knows that girls can't get pregnant in the summertime.
/r/PurplePillDebate10/09/23 12:56 AM
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It is contextual, but people prefer static values because that's easier to work with, and the resulting discrepancy becomes a major source of delusion.
/r/PurplePillDebate09/09/23 01:56 PM
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It's standard math. That's not how women or orgasms work. Ease of reaching first orgasm does dictate ease of reaching subsequent orgasms, nor the total number of consecutive orgasms available. They're multiple traits that can be all over the place. Some women can cum in 5 minutes, but then get really sensitive and be done for a while. Some can cum in 4 minutes for the first one, then 12 minutes for the second, and then 28 minutes for a third. Some women may need 30 minutes of foreplay followed b…
/r/PurplePillDebate01/09/23 11:59 PM
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There's quite a lot wrong here, but the main question I have to ask is why are you in such a hurry? It's kind of pathetic to have sex because you've got a chemical quota to fulfill, and not because you actually want to have sex.
/r/PurplePillDebate01/09/23 02:06 PM
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Of course it does. Anything that allows a population to win is part of being the fittest.
/r/PurplePillDebate01/09/23 12:49 AM
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And the ability to become the most numerous is part of being the fittest.
/r/PurplePillDebate01/09/23 12:48 AM
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Social conditions are determined by the fittest.
/r/PurplePillDebate31/08/23 10:37 PM
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The real problem in the US is a combination of the way our elections work, both in terms of how votes are counted and in terms of how power is distributed. Andrew Yang has a lot of great content about this, but our electoral processes keep us locked into having only 2 major political parties. This is why propaganda is so bad, because the entire country is forced to pick one of two sides even when a majority don't like either. For that reason, something like 70% of Americans can want to reform ou…
/r/PurplePillDebate30/08/23 01:43 PM
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Anyone who commands an army knows the virtue of collectivism. Nationalism is individualism on a global scale. Individualism doesn't mean a complete inability to accept any sort of cooperation at any level. Of course later Caesar got too high huffing his own farts and believing he was above social consequences, which is why he got stabbed to death. Rome would be better off after the transition from republic to empire, regardless of Caesar's fate. Rome's neighbors, not so much.
/r/PurplePillDebate30/08/23 04:31 AM
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If you look at most of the institutions of successful societies, they were built through men's collectivism. Our greatest societies were defined by men conquering other men. What great society was created by a bunch of individualists? Are you considering Caesar, Washington, and Napoleon to be individualists or collectivists? Ayn Rand is just a meme, not a serious philosophy. I'm actually not fond of Ayn Rand. I'm more of a Senator Armstrong type of individualist.
/r/PurplePillDebate30/08/23 04:12 AM
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Collectivism aligns with femininity, not masculinity. Moreover though, as a man I am not in a position to dictate how women should be; I can simply voice support or opposition. I am in a position to dictate how men should be.
/r/PurplePillDebate30/08/23 03:59 AM
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Not sure if you’ve been to Europe? I have, although not since before Brexit/Trump. Even your Democrat party is still pretty right wing though. Our democrat party is further left in some cases (e.g. immigration, abortion) and further right in others. That said, our political system requires Democrat candidates to spend most of their time appealing to moderate "swing states" if they want to win, and that limits how progressive they can be. And government assistance is very limited, huge disparity …
/r/PurplePillDebate29/08/23 04:47 PM
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The parts of America with the outdated attitudes would be completely irrelevant if it weren't for grievous imbalances in our political system. The parts of America that hold any importance have similarly progressive attitudes in the mainstream, coupled with a disgruntled underclass of semi-closeted Nazis, just like Europe.
/r/PurplePillDebate29/08/23 03:38 PM
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I'm married, but not specifically rewarded for my stance on feminism. Here's the thing; I'm a staunch individualist. For this reason, I support feminism as a way to thwart masculine collectivism.
/r/PurplePillDebate29/08/23 03:22 PM
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like that was the whole message of the movie. The whole message of the movie is that postmodernism is a stepping stone in modernism's journey towards progress, viewed through the lens of second vs third wave feminism. This is made abundantly clear in the scene where Barbie meets her creator. The entire ending spends like 15 minutes emphasizing that men and women need to stop viewing themselves in the eyes of each other and basing their self esteem off how the opposite sex views them… The movie s…
/r/PurplePillDebate25/08/23 10:04 PM
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While there was a lot of good stuff in the Barbie, that bit didn't land at all. We already know exactly what happens to Ken when we separate him from Barbie, he becomes GI Joe.
/r/PurplePillDebate25/08/23 06:19 PM
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What tradition are you talking in today's age. Traditions by definition are from before today's day and age.
/r/PurplePillDebate23/08/23 06:55 PM
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Keeping in mind that we're discussing tradition (since OP stipulated it), Traditionally, women are essentially just trophies. The dating game is just another way to one-up the other men around and prove who's really got the best combination of privilege and BDE. It's nothing more than a way to flaunt your status. It's not even a primary way to have sex; that's what affairs are for, and why they're so normalized in Europe.
/r/PurplePillDebate23/08/23 06:37 PM
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If we're talking tradition, then women are supposed to be a game that men play AGAINST OTHER MEN.
/r/PurplePillDebate23/08/23 04:55 AM
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But what if my value is nothing something that can be ‘shown’ or ‘presented’ but instead ‘experienced’. Then you're bad at marketing, which is an essential social skill. Whatever value you think you have is probably not enough to compensate for social ineptitude.
/r/PurplePillDebate22/08/23 02:36 PM
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That assumes you're only working to Chad-up because you have to for a particular woman. The reality is that men should be striving to Chad-max themselves regardless of the women in proximity, because that's the essence of masculinity.
/r/PurplePillDebate13/08/23 10:43 PM
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If she's giving special treatment to other men for free while making it hard for you to get that same treatment then she sees those men as more deserving than you But if she's giving you the opportunity to work for it rather than straight-up rejecting your lame ass then it's because she thinks you could prove worthy. This is the chance for a man to Chad-up, but so many don't.
/r/PurplePillDebate13/08/23 10:19 PM
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Do you agree with his thought process? Would you do the same in his position? Would you consider him “beta bucks” or “alpha fucks”? He's an aristocrat. His situation doesn't apply to normal people, and normal approaches to dating (red/blue/purple pills) don't apply to him.
/r/PurplePillDebate11/08/23 01:48 PM
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Overall I'd consider her interest to be a positive since we're assuming it's genuine and I don't have to guess what she's trying to sell me.
/r/PurplePillDebate10/08/23 03:11 AM
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From a strict liberal atheist perspective, there are financial incentives to be married in the Western world. You've basically structured your whole post around sex but you're forgetting that money is more important.
/r/PurplePillDebate02/08/23 12:26 AM
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In terms of actual legislation there’s no much you can do which could be what they mean? Unfortunately, despite its severe importance to us citizens, legislation is mostly a MacGuffin for politics.
/r/PurplePillDebate28/07/23 03:27 PM
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It's not a political issue, Considering how politics are staked on the culture war, gendered issues are political.
/r/PurplePillDebate28/07/23 01:50 PM
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This seems like a needlessly antagonistic way to say "get your priorities straight, and then find someone who actually aligns with those priorities."
/r/PurplePillDebate27/07/23 04:45 PM
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I’ve often heard that women need to buy into an “illusion of effortlessness” where everything seems like it comes easily and naturally to a man, in order for him to seem impenetrable and give her a constant sense of security. This goes way way beyond women. Effortlessness is a key aspect of presenting yourself favorably, because more than moderate effort devolves into desperation, and everyone universally loathes desperation. Again, this isn't strictly about women or attraction. It's a key eleme…
/r/PurplePillDebate26/07/23 11:16 PM
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Yes. Men should be gentlemen. Gentlemen are supposed to be affluent. Affluence means that paying for dates isn't some sort of unreasonable burden.
/r/PurplePillDebate26/07/23 09:30 PM
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I see no reason to object to this paradigm. I swiffered the kitchen floor yesterday, fixed myself a daquiri, and then finished season 3 of Ted Lasso. I am a 6'6 Jacked dude that is rich, assertive and i would call myself a "traditional male" and i still enjoy it, fuck you.
/r/PurplePillDebate24/07/23 03:16 PM
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James Bond does it, so it's totally masculine. /thread
/r/PurplePillDebate24/07/23 03:09 PM
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Regardless most of the criticisms enunciated against the nuclear family and patriarchy have already been nullified by social changes under modernism. At which point were dealing with the modern family. To advocate specifically for the nuclear family is to push for a return to the social landscape of the 50's, which a certain political party in America is adamant about pushing for. Essentially, it's a dog whistle.
/r/PurplePillDebate17/07/23 11:55 PM
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"The Nuclear Family" is called that because the father is intended to be the nucleus, while the wife and kids revolve around him. It's NOT because the concept was popularized in the atomic age. If you eliminate the patriarchal elements, you don't have a nuclear family anymore.
/r/PurplePillDebate17/07/23 11:31 PM
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An egalitarian husband/wife relationship, and less pressure on everyone to have kids.
/r/PurplePillDebate17/07/23 11:17 PM
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Because it's an outdated patriarchal concept.
/r/PurplePillDebate17/07/23 11:16 PM
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"Based" in this context serves as the antonym to "cringe"
/r/PurplePillDebate17/07/23 10:40 PM
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it furthers the destruction of the nuclear family that's taken place over the last 40 years. Destroying the nuclear family is based.
/r/PurplePillDebate17/07/23 10:38 PM
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Everyone is allowed to talk bad about them, but nobody wants to because they'd have to acknowledge their own inferiority.
/r/PurplePillDebate17/07/23 10:33 PM
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Women should be the ones who ask guys out. Women are the sexual gatekeepers. They are the one who control the dating marketplace. Instead of being passive Women only control the dating marketplace because they're willing to be passive. You're asking them to give up their defining advantage.
/r/PurplePillDebate11/07/23 05:34 AM
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I did this too in high school! I figured essentially all fellow teens would be inclined to rebel against the institutions of their parents, including religion, but apparently not.
/r/PurplePillDebate11/07/23 01:24 AM
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Women hate men who can't handle a little banter, if we want to throw out sweeping generalizations.
/r/PurplePillDebate05/07/23 08:55 PM
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I'm the hero that PPD deserves, but not the one it needs right now. So you'll hunt me, because I can take it. Because I'm not our hero. I'm a loudmouth guardian, a watchful protector. A dark knight.
/r/PurplePillDebate05/07/23 08:46 PM
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I'm not punching the clowns to benefit the clowns.
/r/PurplePillDebate05/07/23 08:20 PM
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Have you ever read The Killing Joke? Basically, Joker tries to torture Jim Gordon in order to prove to Batman that all it takes is one bad day to turn a normal person crazy. Batman rejects this thesis, and counters by claiming that one bad day only turned Joker crazy because Joker is a weak piece of shit. I'm here to be Batman, and fight back against the bitter clowns in this sub.
/r/PurplePillDebate05/07/23 08:04 PM
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The unbridled cringe of this statement holy shit I can't believe he left off Blade Runner 2049
/r/PurplePillDebate28/06/23 11:37 PM
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Your dating life is an extension of your social life, and once you are out of school, infiltrating a social circle, or building one from scratch, becomes next to impossible. It's not easy, but it's quite doable if you know what you're doing. You can be as wealthy, charming, fit, well groomed, well dressed, and good looking as you want, if you are a lonely isolated bastard, it hardly matters. As long as you're charming, you can be average in those other categories. The reason it isn't working is …
/r/PurplePillDebate28/06/23 11:34 PM
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Any time a man looks at the dating situation objectively, he gets accused of being bitter and hating women. Generally, my observation is that the men presenting such information are doing so with an agenda to relieve themselves of accountability from their dating failures while shifting the blame to women. The truth is that women have raised their standards, it is harder than it used to be to get dates, and there is more competition. The truth is that isn't a bad thing overall. It's bad for a se…
/r/PurplePillDebate20/06/23 05:58 PM
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The heart gets the luxury of fantasy. The mind has to live in reality. As much as I love motorsport and fantasize about carving corners with precise fury in an exotic sports car, the reality is that I drive 50,000 miles for business and every bit of efficiency I can get directly translates to profit margin. I don't agree that it's settling to follow Silent Bob's advice: "There are lots of pretty girls in the world, but very few will bring you lasagna at work. Most just cheat on you." Instead, I'…
/r/PurplePillDebate15/06/23 05:12 PM
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Are you actually settling for the Camry though, or have you simply made a better choice? Yes, a Lambo (not counting Urus) seems like fun if you don't have one. However, there's so much baggage attached; maintenance is a hassle both financially and logistically, insurance will effectively rob you, you'll constantly receive unwanted attention, you become very painfully aware of how shitty your local roads are, you have no cargo space, and the overall design sacrifices comfort for performance. If y…
/r/PurplePillDebate15/06/23 04:26 PM
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Wanting more isn't outrageous entitlement. Demanding more without putting in the work to earn more is. Complaining that the work it takes to get what you want means the system is broken also is.
/r/PurplePillDebate15/06/23 03:03 PM
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The sexual market isn't zero sum at all, unless you mandate monogamy. With promiscuity enabled, the sexual marketplace is totally positive sum.
/r/PurplePillDebate15/06/23 03:55 AM
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Certainly an opposite trajectory, in the sense that opposing gun control is the major right-wing element of domestic policy that I uphold. As an urban atheist nationalist, I originally attached to the Republicans because I'm staunchly pro-gun, and they seemed to be the more pro-American party. What changed in my case, other than the right wing starting to go off the deep end, is discovering Andrew Yang and realizing that Republicans have an overly simplified view of finance that doesn't work in …
/r/PurplePillDebate10/06/23 01:25 PM
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I've primarily focused on guns, but also studied other aspects of combat, enough to say that the last thing you want to do (as an American with access to guns) is to have to try to kill someone without them. I've studied a little bit of unarmed martial arts, and a good amount of historical melee weaponry. Basically, if you're not using a gun then you're putting yourself at a big disadvantage and exposing yourself to additional risk. Something a lot of people don't really think about is that your…
/r/PurplePillDebate10/06/23 01:18 PM
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I'm not straddling the fence, nor am I having to pretend. I simply have two views that are unusual to be held together, but are not incompatible: Women are people, they have a lot to offer, and it's strategic to network with them and foster good relations with them, both platonic or romantic. There's no need to try to exert control over them, and that will probably hurt the value proposition of interacting with them as a high value male. And Men are competition. I must be stronger than them, fas…
/r/PurplePillDebate09/06/23 11:58 PM
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Exceptions to a rule are not proof the rule doesn't exist. I acknowledged that I'm abnormal in this regard. And I guarantee you, you are not the exception you think you are. Do you want to fault my masculinity, or my marriage?
/r/PurplePillDebate09/06/23 11:37 PM
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Is it in a literal sense of someone idk trying to rob you as you’re walking down the street? Is it for when you go camping, you’ll be the one to fight the bear? It's for anything that could come up, whether that's crime or a bad encounter with wildlife or crime or societal collapse or crime. You have to understand, being a "protector" isn't about being big and strong. Some people will think of it that way, but that comes from a perspective of ignorance. Instead it's mostly a matter of knowledge …
/r/PurplePillDebate09/06/23 05:39 PM
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Ackhually, guns were invented because archery is too much work.
/r/PurplePillDebate09/06/23 03:28 PM
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Yes, I think that people like you describe used to be more commonplace. I sorta disagree. If it weren't for the increasingly deranged behavior (particularly from the right), I'd probably still vote Republican and not feel inclined to audit my ideologies. Instead, the last several years have forced me to challenge and change my views for the better. I certainly can't be the only one who's had to confront their beliefs in the modern political climate. I also think it was easier for people to recon…
/r/PurplePillDebate09/06/23 02:56 PM
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Yes, but I assume most women who want their man to be a designated protector are okay with him using guns to perform that role, because otherwise it's just theatre. If a woman specifically wants a protector husband who doesn't use guns, she's outright delusional, but I don't think that's particularly common. The women who are staunchly anti-gun tend to want a dreamworld where security just isn't a concern because people are nice.
/r/PurplePillDebate09/06/23 02:39 PM
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I disagree, because they do exist. I'm one of them. I have an egalitarian relationship with my wife, and we co-own and run our business together. I'm pro-abortion, pro-LGBTQ, and pro-AR15. I open doors for women because traditional manners are a part of having class. I take the check on first dates, because not taking the check strikes me as poor person behavior. Additionally, I'm a weird hybrid that used to consider myself right-wing, but slowly changed sides over the last 5 years.
/r/PurplePillDebate09/06/23 02:11 PM
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it could be because American politics have some hardlines on issues that are not inherity political, aka Guns and Abortion. I think this is at the core of her frustration. She's inherently looking for someone that doesn't fully align with either right or left, and that's inherently rare since most people are steered to one party or the other.
/r/PurplePillDebate09/06/23 01:21 PM
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To clarify, the issue wasn't a misconception over salaries, but rather how hypercompetitive anything related to entertainment media is.
/r/PurplePillDebate03/06/23 03:20 AM
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As a man, I assumed I'd be making close to 6 figures right out of college with my art degree. That has more to do with academia being misleading rather than not understanding finance though.
/r/PurplePillDebate03/06/23 02:36 AM
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In defense of women, I've come to realize that everyone almost fails to grasp financial reality, despite our entire society revolving around money.
/r/PurplePillDebate03/06/23 02:20 AM
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It needs to be understood that pill ideologies work like religion, in that they're fragmented into a bunch of different communities that interpret the original idea differently, and they all love to play "no true Scotsman" whenever you point out some of the more reprehensible sects.
/r/PurplePillDebate01/06/23 01:28 PM
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It all just depends on the situation. Sometimes the necessary help is contingent on a healthcare system that isn't working like it's supposed to, whether that's due to insurance shenanigans in the US, or extended wait times in the UK, or the system recommending that patients save everyone the trouble and just kill themselves in Canada.
/r/PurplePillDebate31/05/23 07:10 PM
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SOME women love one night stands. SOME women do not. If I remember correctly, it's roughly 1/3 of women achieve orgasm easily, 1/3 achieve orgasm with difficulty, and 1/3 simply haven't ever managed an orgasm. When you put those numbers up against men, of which SOME are selfish lovers and SOME are trying but inexperienced and SOME are excellent, then it becomes obvious that there is a disparity. With certainty, we can conclude that there are less women enjoying one night stands than men enjoying…
/r/PurplePillDebate29/05/23 06:57 PM
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No, conservative libertarians are just hypocrites.
/r/PurplePillDebate25/05/23 02:13 PM
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I think you misunderstand my position. I'm advocating for Big Pharma to make better medicine for women. "Side effects are bad" shouldn't be a controversial take.
/r/PurplePillDebate06/05/23 09:24 PM
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Why are those the only two answers? Why can't we pick alive without compromise? The only thing standing in the way is R&D.
/r/PurplePillDebate06/05/23 09:10 PM
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I'm not saying people should stop taking their meds, as long as they're prescribed by valid medical professionals. However, we should view a loss of appetite as a negative side effect. Hopefully, science can eventually offer us improved medicines that don't do that. Don't you think it's wacky that anti-depressants decrease sex drive? Shouldn't they be doing the opposite?
/r/PurplePillDebate06/05/23 08:57 PM
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Would you say the same thing about appetite suppressants? Yes. so what's the issue? Can't miss what you don't want. Appetites of all sorts are a crucial part of being alive.
/r/PurplePillDebate06/05/23 07:36 PM
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Every praxeology has an ideology behind it. Nonetheless, it's telling that your primary objection to my statement is a needlessly academic one.
/r/PurplePillDebate05/05/23 02:32 PM
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That's a very poor distinction to make since ideology and praxeology are two aspects of every movement. The ideology of communism is that capitalist economies are unfair to the working class, and the praxeology is to launch a revolution to forcibly change the system. Likewise, the ideology of TRP is that dating is unfair and that women control the game and give bad advice, while the praxeology is to improve your looks and status to gain a better SMV.
/r/PurplePillDebate05/05/23 02:06 PM
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My personal view is that the difference between thick and fat is whether the body is bouncy or floppy. That means you really need to see someone in motion to make that call, rather than a static picture, unless they're obviously morbidly obese. That also accounts for different distributions on different people.
/r/PurplePillDebate05/05/23 01:17 PM
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A better analogy is that TRP is like communism. It started as a single doctrine, but then different people took it and interpreted it and made it into their own version, and nowadays it's sort of pointless to debate because any criticism of anything other than the basic core is met with "that doesn't apply to my version of TRP." It's just like how communists will take your criticisms of Russia/China/Cuba/Venezuela and say "those aren't actually communist countries based on my particular definiti…
/r/PurplePillDebate05/05/23 12:38 PM
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That's precisely "what could go wrong"; you get a really good deal on a prostitute, only for her to drug you and steal one of your kidneys.
/r/PurplePillDebate01/05/23 01:56 AM
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You don't see anything wrong with getting a kidney stolen?
/r/PurplePillDebate01/05/23 01:47 AM
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I wouldn't know, I'm not a feminist. Nor does it matter if a woman is a feminist. Just because someone subscribes to an ideology doesn't mean they have to meet any sort of standard of purity.
/r/PurplePillDebate26/04/23 01:47 AM
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Do men call out that sort of behavior when they aren't white-knighting or participating in a forum based around discussing this particular sort of thing?
/r/PurplePillDebate26/04/23 01:33 AM
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Because some men express their preferences in a very rude manner. To use your provided example, it's not misandry to prefer tall men, but it is misandry to say that short men are completely useless. The distinction is the implication that fitting your preference is all that the opposite sex is good for.
/r/PurplePillDebate25/04/23 01:35 PM
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Your career isn't just a way to access and provide resources, it's a way that men compete with other men.
/r/PurplePillDebate20/04/23 02:39 PM
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Simple. Think of shoes. Shoes are subjective. Everyone has different feet with different functional needs. Everyone has opinions on what looks nice and what looks awful. Despite the high level of subjectivity, any pair of shoes available for sale has an objective price. The same is true of people. Everyone can have a different assessment of your value, but at the end of the day you set your own value, and if you set it too high then nobody is interested. So, you assess your value lower and lower…
/r/PurplePillDebate19/04/23 01:14 PM
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If you're ugly or socially awkward, AND you're poor, AND you lack the street smarts to participate in illegal vices, then you're just hopeless.
/r/PurplePillDebate18/04/23 12:53 AM
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I proposed this awhile back but where men get 3 yes swipes and 9 no swipes. If they reach either limit then the app locks for the week.
/r/PurplePillDebate14/04/23 05:29 PM
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"when he holds the steering wheel with both hands" ick You can't be serious.
/r/PurplePillDebate09/04/23 01:28 PM
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In my opinion, the Red Pill starts with an agreeable premise and takes it to an odious conclusion. "You can't just be yourself and expect to get anywhere. You need to improve yourself." Amen to that. "Also, women are terrible and you should despise them for creating a situation where you have to improve yourself." Fuck no. If you fundamentally have a problem with improving yourself, then you're a pathetic piece of shit.
/r/PurplePillDebate08/04/23 02:01 AM
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When you look deeper into it, you'll realize the problem isn't with the man, it's with the woman who believes this No, the problem is definitely with the man who seeks to minimize his competition.
/r/PurplePillDebate07/04/23 02:21 AM
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The truth is though without sex, men wouldn't bother with women or trying to get to know them. Ignoring people because they don't immediately offer you what you want is shortsighted and ineffective. The savvy man understands the strategic value of networking.
/r/PurplePillDebate06/04/23 02:58 AM
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Strangely, there are almost certainly better leggings out there. They will cost much more than $12, but much less than whatever LV wants. They will have a better design and better manufacturing and better material and better QC. They will have better performance, but they won't give you clout because our consumer priorities are bonkers.
/r/PurplePillDebate31/03/23 10:18 PM
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I get you on quality shoes for specific use cases, just not specific use cases that are "buying extremely expensive shoes for this one specific outing and then never wearing them again". That's exactly how high end carbon fiber race shoes work though, although nobody is generally wearing them as a status symbol because they absolutely suck at anything other than running in a straight line. I read this somewhere and I find it funny that guys brag about how much they can do with something and/or b…
/r/PurplePillDebate31/03/23 08:10 PM
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Ad arguably fashinable expensive shoes are the worst at that function per dollar, and the shoes that are the best at doing that don't have anywhere near the level of status symbol the expensive shoes do Designer anything is almost always garbage, but you can certainly spend a lot on quality shoes for specific use cases. In contrast cars, PS4s, trucks, etc, actually have a use, they're not just an expensive but otherwise useless status symbol. Cars/trucks are a great example here; like GPUs, ther…
/r/PurplePillDebate31/03/23 06:45 PM
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99% of shoes dont have production cost over 50 dollars. Why the fuck are we going off production cost when we live in a free market economy? No, on console you have higher input delay Irrelevant to the majority of players, they aren't skilled enough to notice. consoles get outdated way faster than gpu's PS1 lasted 6 years. PS2 lasted 6 years. PS3 lasted 7 years. PS4 lasted 7 years. GPUs, particularly at the price of a contemporary console, do not hold up that well. not to mention on playstation …
/r/PurplePillDebate31/03/23 05:02 PM
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There is a staggeringly large difference between cheap shoes and expensive ones, particularly in terms of fit, finish, longevity, and mobility. 5000 is excessive and at that point you're essentially buying artwork disguised as footwear, but otherwise there's a tremendous difference in the quality of that primary function. You're probably going to say that most women predominantly buy low-function shoes on the basis of aesthetic appeal, so something like a carbon fiber race shoe doesn't apply, to…
/r/PurplePillDebate31/03/23 04:39 PM
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Shoes have to separate you from the ground. That's the most important function there is.
/r/PurplePillDebate31/03/23 04:22 PM
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Yes, but it has nothing to do with women being single and everything to do with wealth inequality fueling an insatiable lust for status, regardless of gender or marital status.
/r/PurplePillDebate31/03/23 04:21 PM
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as long as the man is rich enough That's how basically all rules in all cultures work.
/r/PurplePillDebate29/03/23 03:16 PM
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Texting is way way easier than having a conversation in person. The pacing is way more relaxed, so you have more time to think through what you say and delivery timing isn't critical. You also don't have to even worry about body language. Additionally, you also have access to the internet so you can quickly fact check yourself as needed. ​ You can have constant natural conversation without immediately dumping your whole life story. That said, you should be carefully working out the other person'…
/r/PurplePillDebate29/03/23 01:16 PM
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Most people cannot have a natural text conversation with someone they just met. Being able to strike up a natural conversation with strangers is an extremely important skill, even beyond dating, and one that should be a priority to develop. Mystery is part of the spark. Mystery is overrated. Most of the time, attempts at mystery just come across as conceited bullshit.
/r/PurplePillDebate29/03/23 01:01 PM
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Texting constantly isn't lovebombing, provided you can keep a natural, casual conversation going and both of you are contributing to it, rather than one person trying to force it. You can read the room and determine if space is needed, but if it's not then giving it anyway is a bad maneuver.
/r/PurplePillDebate29/03/23 12:54 PM
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You literally just met this person, why would you be blowing up their phone every single day? Because that's how the spark of chemistry works. If it exists, then they'll want to hear from you sooner rather than later. If they don't, it's already game over. A world where people have lives? If someone leads the kind of life where texting back someone they're attracted to is an undue burden, then don't bother chasing them. If dating isn't their priority, then they're just wasting everyone's time.
/r/PurplePillDebate29/03/23 12:45 PM
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I just want guys to understand that anyone offering a supposed path to success on the internet is a scam. The bitter truth is that nobody online actually wants you to truly succeed, it's all just a grift to separate desperate fools from their money. The only guide for young men that I would endorse is "The Book of Five Rings" by Miyamoto Musashi, which is public domain as the author is long dead.
/r/PurplePillDebate28/03/23 02:45 PM
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They were always well-integrated and sociable girls. The less popular girls I've known haven't gone through this "phase". So not a majority?
/r/PurplePillDebate28/03/23 01:45 PM
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But this whole thread is about what the average woman can do. Unless 51% of women are influencers, they are not representative of the average woman.
/r/PurplePillDebate27/03/23 02:36 PM
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This is not an average woman. She may be average in terms of looks or whatever else, but her behavior is not normal. Even if the average woman could pull off this sort of lifestyle, the vast majority wouldn't because they'd (rightfully) be afraid of ending up murdered. This is the equivalent of the guy with no college degree who makes 6 figures at 22 because he sells illicit drugs. Yes, the average person could make bank as a drug dealer, but the average person is also too averse to risk to expl…
/r/PurplePillDebate27/03/23 04:08 AM
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Just be confident! Just be funny! Just don't be a creep! Ok genius but how????? Is there a switch to flip or what? Observe successful interactions, and analyze them for patterns. You know, the way you're supposed to learn basically anything outside of academia.
/r/PurplePillDebate23/03/23 06:39 PM
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Dream bigger.
/r/PurplePillDebate22/03/23 03:23 PM
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The only men who really benefit from female sexual liberation are the fuckboys who get to sleep around all they want. With or without purity culture Average Billy ain't getting free, hookup pussy. Quit settling for being an Average Billy. Become Chad and benefit from sexual liberation.
/r/PurplePillDebate22/03/23 03:20 PM
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There's some basic universal advice that everyone can benefit from. It may not be helpful to everyone since some people have already figured it out, but it won't be harmful to follow for anyone. For example, consider the sage advice of Jimmy Pop: "Camping with your bros, while your playoff beard grows, ain't gonna get your wack ass laid." That may not be helpful to you specifically, but it is good advice.
/r/PurplePillDebate17/03/23 09:55 PM
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Is selfishness rational?
/r/PurplePillDebate15/03/23 04:11 PM
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Unattractive women don't go shoot up schools, malls, or nightclubs.
/r/PurplePillDebate15/03/23 01:53 PM
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I'm not the salty one, I'm attacking the salty ones for running away rather than becoming one of those Chads at the top.
/r/PurplePillDebate13/03/23 02:12 PM
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Yeah you will, because you can punch down as a victory lap. I thought I addressed the nationalism thing already, but I guess I got my comments mixed up. To that point: Nationalism! Unilateralism! Materialism! Welcome maxims for those with no faith — without guiding principles of their own. Give yourself up to the whole. No need to better yourself — you're American! You're number one! Then the only value left is dollar value — the economy. I kinda think nationalism is bogus, unless Russia is viol…
/r/PurplePillDebate13/03/23 01:36 PM
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I'm out of the bucket, shouting down at all the crabs that are refusing to climb because they think the bucket is too tall. Men are supposed to climb, because the climb is how you develop Big Chad Energy.
/r/PurplePillDebate13/03/23 01:19 PM
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I'm already married, and I pay way more than $3 on delicious cheese from around the world. She's fond of Port Salut.
/r/PurplePillDebate13/03/23 01:09 PM
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Imagine not being unable to afford $3 cheese.
/r/PurplePillDebate13/03/23 01:05 PM
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Oh, I'm not a nationalist. Nationalism! Unilateralism! Materialism! Welcome maxims for those with no faith — without guiding principles of their own. Give yourself up to the whole. No need to better yourself — you're American! You're number one! Then the only value left is dollar value — the economy. I'm an individualist and social Darwinist.
/r/PurplePillDebate13/03/23 01:04 PM
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What im asking is, does moving to accomplish a goal easier make you a loser? Only if you're seeking to reduce competition. Is it lame that someone who wants to be an actor move to LA? No, but it is lame if they move to Eastern Europe to make low-budget action films since they suck too much for Hollywood. Steven Seagal is pathetic. Is it lame that someone who wants to be an engineer moves to SF? Assuming SF is a competitive scene for engineering, then no. Is a person of color who lives in oklahom…
/r/PurplePillDebate13/03/23 02:42 AM
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There are plenty of good looking women, they're just out of your league because you couldn't make the team past Little League.
/r/PurplePillDebate13/03/23 01:37 AM
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Yes it is, and you're not fooling anyone. You couldn't hack it at home, so you went somewhere else. It's the dating equivalent of Kanye playing basketball against disabled children so he can score 106 points.
/r/PurplePillDebate13/03/23 01:36 AM
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Which is kind of my point. Men should be fighting tooth and nail for status and money rather than whining about how they can't just win without it.
/r/PurplePillDebate13/03/23 01:10 AM
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Bruh, you cucked yourself.
/r/PurplePillDebate12/03/23 11:50 PM
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I see even buff manual labor types complaining nowadays, so it's probably not just the testosterone dip. Not really a great example of apex males. Do you see either special forces or pro athletes complaining much? Those are the guys who make a living out of physical conflict with other men.
/r/PurplePillDebate12/03/23 11:46 PM
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You're not top anything. If you were then you'd be banging American chicks while this sub complains that you're ruining the dating market.
/r/PurplePillDebate12/03/23 10:52 PM
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Imagine abandoning your fatherland because you can't date successfully without patriarchy lending a hand.
/r/PurplePillDebate12/03/23 10:50 PM
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Counterpoint: men are supposed to be competing for resources anyways regardless of women, and the reason men complain about it these days is because microplastics are destroying our collective testosterone levels.
/r/PurplePillDebate12/03/23 06:20 PM
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men's more "democratic" sexuality is the elephant in the room that nobody wants to discuss, partly because it would undermine the manosphere.
/r/PurplePillDebate11/03/23 09:18 PM
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Only a small number of deranged angry men would reject Mrs Perfect. Normal men will be completely ensnared. The only exception is if that high body count came from doing porn.
/r/PurplePillDebate10/03/23 04:44 PM
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You make it sound like the West doesn't include Las Vegas and Amsterdam, and that's assuming you've resigned yourself to paying for sex.
/r/PurplePillDebate08/03/23 06:09 PM
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My personal theory is that women are generally more empathetic than men. This can lead to them being less pragmatic than their male counterparts. I presume that if you found a high-functioning psychopath woman then she would be very logical.
/r/PurplePillDebate08/03/23 03:56 AM
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That implies that the woman gives up her career to settle down and become a mom, but that's a declining trend. Less people are having kids. If you took immigration out of the picture, the western world has population shrinkage severe enough that it would cause a demographic crisis. Your argument would hold up if being a single income family were generally viable, but the economy is trying its hardest to abolish that practice. You might be right that marriage favors women in the case of high-earn…
/r/PurplePillDebate02/03/23 06:25 PM
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This really only applies if you're doing the trad marriage thing where the man is the sole breadwinner and the woman is a homemaker. That paradigm has been eroding for quite a long time, and at this point it's basically not viable. Your argument falls apart when both the man and woman have similar incomes from their respective careers and are barely able to afford a house or apartment together, which is much much more common for young people today.
/r/PurplePillDebate02/03/23 04:25 PM
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I'm answering on behalf of my wife, as she doesn't really do Reddit. She's on a hormonal IUD, which was originally chosen for contraception, but had the positive side effect of completely eliminating her period. At one point I convinced her to have it removed to rule it out as a factor for other health issues that could have been side effects, but after about 7 weeks she determined that it was not the culprit and had a new one put in.
/r/PurplePillDebate27/02/23 10:19 PM
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Are you suggesting affluence doesn't make dating easier?
/r/PurplePillDebate22/02/23 04:15 PM
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There are people who achieved a lot, way more than you probably could ever achieve and also lost it all. So in theory, that means I'm winning, because "not losing it all" is kinda important. Your stupid judgemental "what did you do in the last 20 years" just shows that you probably don't even live on planet earth. I dated consistently from 21, until I got married at 29, so I'm not exactly waiting for dating to get easier at 40. However, I'm certainly never going to have a two-decade span where I…
/r/PurplePillDebate22/02/23 04:14 PM
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In 20 years, even the lower class should be able to advance in their ordinary job and be reasonably well off, assuming they haven't had kids or done anything terribly irresponsible with money. If you get into a trade (electrical, plumbing, HVAC, etc.) then you should be making good money after 20 years, particularly if you have nobody to spend it on except yourself. If you work a shitty retail/service job, 20 years should be enough to become the manager and make a decent living, again assuming y…
/r/PurplePillDebate22/02/23 03:43 PM
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Dating gets easier for men if you've attained affluence by then, often due to having focused on succeeding in your career. If you reach 40 and you haven't succeeded in either dating or business, then what the fuck did you do with the last 20 years?
/r/PurplePillDebate21/02/23 07:06 PM
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Houellebecq is correct that economic and sexual liberalism create market conditions where some people are highly successful and others are not. However, this is framed as a bug but it's actually a feature. Winners should win and losers should lose.
/r/PurplePillDebate03/02/23 07:47 AM
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Just in case you use this analogy again in the future, Stephen Colbert had a better version where it's brownies at a bake sale and some of them were made with shit instead of chocolate.
/r/PurplePillDebate23/01/23 11:59 PM
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He sounded frankly alarmist blaming women for the decline in testosterone levels in men, as if lack of exercise, obesity, and other co morbidities and public health circumstances don’t exist Can't forget microplastics!
/r/PurplePillDebate23/01/23 11:55 PM
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First I will try to fuck all hot guys(hoe phase, hot girl summer ) This only applies to a particular type of woman who you should probably be avoiding anyway if you don't have what it takes to play that game.
/r/PurplePillDebate08/01/23 02:53 PM
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That's the point. Your treatment of women can be progressive while your hobbies and skill set can be traditionally masculine.
/r/PurplePillDebate15/12/22 06:36 AM
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No, it doesn't, unless you let pundits and Internet comments run your life. What makes it hard is being too poor to get into cool hobbies.
/r/PurplePillDebate15/12/22 12:02 AM
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I was very explicitly taught that being a good feminist would attract women and that this involved being nice, emotionally sensitive, and rejecting traditional masculinity. But the harmful part of this isn't the feminist aspect, it's the false dichotomy. You can be feminist, respectful, and sensitive, while also being really good at shooting guns, climbing mountains, and driving vehicles really fast. Combining those elements is way more effective than putting them on opposing ends of a spectrum …
/r/PurplePillDebate14/12/22 05:29 PM
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Companionship? Women have friends and family, much stronger social circles and networks than men. A good husband goes beyond mere companionship. Let me ask you this: what do you think about Waymond from EEAAO?
/r/PurplePillDebate17/11/22 06:19 PM
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Also, have you ever noticed that the men that advocate for traditional gender roles never seem to want to fight other men? It's like they think that the classic masculine occupation has always been plantation owner rather than infantry.
/r/PurplePillDebate11/11/22 01:52 PM
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As OP clearly spelled out, it's reliant upon a pre-existing assumption. If you don't subscribe to that assumption then the argument falls apart.
/r/PurplePillDebate19/10/22 04:04 AM
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OP specifically addressed that: Other arguments used to justify that are also quite irrational, such as “well, it’s easy to be a slut but difficult to be a stud; therefore, sluts should be shamed and studs should be praised”. Is it true that the former is indeed easy, and the latter is indeed difficult? Sure, definitely. But what follows in their argument is not logical.
/r/PurplePillDebate19/10/22 03:33 AM
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You jest, but if I have a single thesis for PPD it's that the economy is the major root of most of our sex-related problems.
/r/PurplePillDebate07/10/22 10:47 PM
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It's unrealistic for me to cook a lovely 3-course meal every night; I don't have the time or the energy after I get home from work, just as I don't have the time or energy to have sex every night either. However, that's missing the big picture. What's actually unrealistic is a career that leaves you so drained that you don't want to come home and grill a perfect steak, shake up a perfect margarita, and fuck your husband/wife at the end of every day.
/r/PurplePillDebate07/10/22 10:23 PM
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That's probably a sign that your work/life balance is messed up, frankly. I mean, it is for most of us...
/r/PurplePillDebate07/10/22 09:31 PM
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That's because the woman, in theory, could reform herself and become a more valuable member of society. The man is afforded no such optimism; he's relegated to the low role of exploitable labor. This is because both genders benefit from a larger pool of enfranchised women and a smaller pool of enfranchised men.
/r/PurplePillDebate07/10/22 08:56 PM
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Actually, 90% of a woman's value is bringing you lasagna when you're stuck at work on what should have been your day off.
/r/PurplePillDebate24/09/22 06:43 PM
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If nearly all people are dating someone on their own attractiveness level (league) – then that means looks must be a deciding factor for attraction that is non-negotiable, can’t be compensated for our downvalued, so no movement in either direction. Your trampoline must be very impressive to allow you to jump to such conclusions. The key part you're missing is when Bluepill says "looks don't matter" it's always in response to Blackpill saying "I'm entirely barred from dating because of my looks."…
/r/PurplePillDebate22/09/22 10:21 PM
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Here’s what we can gain by using South Korea as a case-study for toxic gender wars. You see, since the Asian Financial Crisis of 1997 destroyed South Korea’s previous model of lifetime employment, Korean youth have spent their entire lives preparing for and taking a series of ruthlessly competitive examinations — for prestigious high schools, then colleges, then large corporations. Instead of poverty and oppression, their main struggle is to achieve economic security in a society that is often b…
/r/PurplePillDebate11/09/22 09:23 PM
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I'd like to answer on behalf of the last two women I dated, since I asked this exact question. I met my ex on the R4R subreddit in fall of 2014. She said she received about 50 responses to the post she made. Of those, about 40 were spam/dick pics, and about 10 were serious. Of the 10, I won because I quickly pushed to go out on an actual date with a time and venue and everything. With my fiancee, we met on OKC at the end of summer 2017. She doesn't remember how many replies she got, but she made…
/r/PurplePillDebate29/08/22 04:40 PM
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It's a function of how normal distribution works. If you end up behind the curve, either you take drastic measures to catch up or you go fuck yourself.
/r/PurplePillDebate28/08/22 07:53 PM
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The main tenet of redpill is either "be pragmatic and improve yourself to be competitive" or "Women are despicable because Stacy won't fuck me." The main tenet of bluepill is either "be yourself because there's someone for everyone, so pull yourself up by your bootstraps" or "laugh at the incels over in the TRP sub, can you believe how much Andrew Tate was making off those suckers?" Notice how much disparity there is between those options?
/r/PurplePillDebate27/08/22 04:52 AM
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it's on-topic because if redpill has split into 2 seperate things then so has bluepill. Bluepill as an ideology is traditional dating advice, while Bluepill as a sub is "shit misogynists say". In both cases, nobody knows which you're referring to so they pick whichever suits their agenda.
/r/PurplePillDebate27/08/22 04:33 AM
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I think the bigger issue is the gap between TRP as a subreddit and TRP as an ideology. I don't really object to the core idea behind TRP, but I absolutely loathe the community it feeds, and I feel that such a community betrays the principles that it represents.
/r/PurplePillDebate27/08/22 03:44 AM
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A key aspect is that dating requires a different social skill than hanging out with friends. Dating is about selling yourself, about persuading the other person to pick you, and about marketing yourself as Mr Right. In my case, I struggled with dating through high school, and in college I became a computer salesman. That experience of working with customers developed the skill set to become successful with women.
/r/PurplePillDebate25/08/22 01:54 PM
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When you understand that strategy, not machismo, is the core of masculinity, then going to a wine bar fits in perfectly with the idea that guys should be guys.
/r/PurplePillDebate18/08/22 12:33 AM
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Humanity has evolved scientifically and culturally would be a more accurate phrasing. Nevertheless evolution is filled with dead ends. In fact most paths lead there. If you really knew anything in depth about the evolution if science or culture you would know that most scientific premises are eventually discarded as wrong and that most cultural premises lead to social collapse. Trial and error are a critical part of development. I’m quite precise with my phrasing, thank you very much. Riddle me …
/r/PurplePillDebate15/08/22 04:05 PM
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I am endlessly amazed that women think I should police men while they go about doing whatever they want judgement free. In such an arrangement, you’re not policing men for the sake of women, you’re doing it for your own personal gain, just as women aren’t policing other women for the sake of men but to preserve their own value. That means if women go about doing whatever they want, it doesn’t affect you in the slightest as long as you’re willing to fight other men. If anything, it just gives you…
/r/PurplePillDebate15/08/22 03:15 PM
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Or better put. Most of all humanity throughout time and space. Absolutely not. Humanity has gotten much better over time as we’ve developed scientifically and culturally. Shockingly enough thete are third world countries where people are more happy on average than we are. Happiness is a useless metric. How’s their tech? How’s their education? Western countries are only better if better is measured in material wealth and if we worship material wealth as a god. No, Western countries are better bec…
/r/PurplePillDebate15/08/22 02:38 PM
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Outside of liberalized western countries these views are normal. AKA the shit parts of the world.
/r/PurplePillDebate15/08/22 02:26 PM
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Well that’s just bullshit. Men can pry into whatever they want as long as they do it tactfully, but most don't. If you can't so much as bait people into talking about themselves then you have a giant disadvantage that's going to hold you back.
/r/PurplePillDebate11/08/22 03:37 PM
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As do men. Let's say you're throwing a house party. Men have an incentive to invite fewer men than women, because it makes for less competition. Women have an incentive to invite more women than men, as it is perceived to create a safer environment. Men end up disenfranchised and barred from the hedonist lifestyle, so they stay home and play videogames. How are you doing to put the blame squarely on women?
/r/PurplePillDebate10/08/22 04:32 PM
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it is hypocrisy to claim there was a change and development but then do the exact same thing, just older. There was no genuine change, it was only a difference of behavior towards one person vs a general behavior change across all. If it lasts for a decade or more, I'd call that genuine change. Change isn't permanent, we are becoming, rather than being. Women aren’t to blame? Are women really blameless in the grand scheme of mate selection? You take away too much of their agency. Who do you thin…
/r/PurplePillDebate10/08/22 03:46 PM
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I also think the majority of these situations are made up or grossly exaggerated. It’s less likely she makes him wait months and months for sex than it is she waited a few weeks when once or twice she tried ONS and didn’t like them. Probably, but there's no point in having a discussion forum if we don't grant an OP the benefit of the doubt unless there's evidence to the contrary, so I'm taking what others have previously presented at face value.
/r/PurplePillDebate10/08/22 03:32 PM
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I get what you’re trying to say, but think you’re wrong. It is hypocrisy. There’s not way around that. Yes there is. It's not hypocrisy to undergo change and development over time. In addition to that, it also is the great majority of men don’t get to participate at all in the “hedonistic” (I’d argue it’s a normal phase) cycle of late teens to late 20s indulgent sexuality. A normal phase for sure, but women aren't to blame. It's men that disenfranchise other men. Exerting control of mating oppor…
/r/PurplePillDebate10/08/22 03:02 PM
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Responsibility and accountability don't really apply when it's simply a compatibility issue based on two people being on different paths/stages of development. There's no fault, it's just a mutual mismatch.
/r/PurplePillDebate10/08/22 01:12 PM
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Dallas/Fort Worth, Texas. I probably would NOT recommend Texas unless you have a lucrative job lined up.
/r/PurplePillDebate10/08/22 12:26 PM
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DFW area?
/r/PurplePillDebate10/08/22 12:12 PM
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Whether you think the phenomena is stupid or not, you can't just trash the general explanation without offering a compelling alternative. I've tried to put a big hole in AF/BB theory by explaining how they same result can come from a completely different circumstance. You've neither endorsed AF/BB nor my counter theory nor directly offered a different counter theory. You've laid the framework to make the argument that people take a default pessimistic view towards repeating experiences, but rath…
/r/PurplePillDebate10/08/22 04:12 AM
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Nobody said it was. I’m all about normalizing ending relationships that are no longer compatible. But ending a relationship that’s no longer working =/= complaining and berating her for not being what you want. just fucking leave. I agree. Tell me you’ve never been on the receiving end of anal sex without telling me that. Don’t underestimate the extent of my adventures in debauchery. What you're telling me is that you haven't yet experienced all that the human body has to offer. Except that’s no…
/r/PurplePillDebate10/08/22 03:53 AM
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Generally I call it what it is, entitlement and a lack of respect for women. You’re not entitled to your partner’s body in a way they’re not comfortable giving it to you. Full Stop. While I’ll acknowledge that many men do approach this situation with a sense of entitlement, I contest that it’s not entitlement to recognize when a relationship isn’t what you’re looking for. I guess if you wanted some kind of rhetoric explanation from a feminist perspective, it’s probably entitlement as a result of…
/r/PurplePillDebate10/08/22 12:24 AM
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So basically just hope they get caught out by having to tell more lies, which you can hardly, if ever, verify. Typically, they just won’t want to open up that far and you can just write them off as a misfit. Meanwhile most guys are happy to eat up all the dogshit getting sold to them thinking the woman they like is actually into them and being sincere. Everyone knows about rules 1 and 2, but even more important is rule 0: don’t be a complete fucking idiot. That’s how you get a kidney stolen.
/r/PurplePillDebate09/08/22 11:46 PM
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lol how would they vet in a practical way that gets around her just lying? You ask a lot of questions and get a lot of answers that let you construct a comprehensive profile for a prospective date. Being good at extracting information from people is a hugely useful skill.
/r/PurplePillDebate09/08/22 11:39 PM
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Alright then, if a dude complains “My girlfriend made me wait 6 months for boring vanilla sex, but she used to hook up with strangers from the club every weekend” then how do you explain that? TRP says it’s AF/BB, I say it’s post-addiction behavior, what’s your third option?
/r/PurplePillDebate09/08/22 11:29 PM
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That’s just it; men don’t want to date women who used to party hard and then went straight, but it’s not something they vet for in a practical way, and it’s also not something that’s thought of as being in the same ballpark as addiction.
/r/PurplePillDebate09/08/22 11:26 PM
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False. Sex addiction is a rare disorder. I’m not talking about clinical sexual addiction, I’m saying that the general compulsion that teens/young adults feel that draws them to sex/drugs/rock and roll fits the general pattern of addiction for a significant portion of people.
/r/PurplePillDebate09/08/22 11:24 PM
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Ah, so your definition of a mature relationship is essentially one without pleasure. Can you explain to me why this sort of relationship is actually desirable? No, what I’m saying is that there’s a significant number of people who indulge to excess and then swing way over to the other end of the spectrum and insist on excessive moderation, and if you’re a normal person in the middle then it represents a compatibility issue rather than an indication that women are maliciously playing you. In fact…
/r/PurplePillDebate09/08/22 11:06 PM
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That would generally be the exception where AF/BB is actually occurring, but I don’t think that’s particularly common, particularly because a lot of the situations where people call AF/BB are for current relationships where the woman isn’t putting out.
/r/PurplePillDebate09/08/22 10:28 PM
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It’s simply a matter of shrinking pools as people get older. I’m a few months away from turning 30. On most nights I’m down to knock out a fifth of Don Q, try to do karate, and climb onto the roof of someone else’s house. I don’t know anyone close to my age who would be down for that sort of mischief. It’s always “I can’t, I have work tomorrow” even though we both have the exact same 8AM shift together.
/r/PurplePillDebate09/08/22 09:28 PM
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It’s not just women and it’s not just sex, it’s the beer and the weed and the raves and all the other staples of sophomore year.
/r/PurplePillDebate09/08/22 09:24 PM
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I’m not sure it always has to be considered an “addiction” and “crash.” Sometimes women simply try casual sex for a brief time because of “it’s empowering” messages, or pressure, or just curiosity, find it’s not something they enjoy, and are done. I’d argue that experimentation that resulted in a decision not to experiment further is a form of crash.
/r/PurplePillDebate09/08/22 09:21 PM
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No, not in a clinical sense. My explanation is that young people generally go through a phase that mimics the pattern of addiction, driven by a compulsion to seek pleasure.
/r/PurplePillDebate09/08/22 09:18 PM
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I would argue it’s not that deep. People mature as they get older. Both men and women. After being young and dumb and jumping into bed with regrettable people both men and women become more careful with who they sleep with. Based on some of the complaints that surface here, it definitely seems to be beyond mere caution. I agree that the comparison to hard drug addiction is a bit alarmist, but I felt it was the easiest way to illustrate the pattern, even in a much milder form.
/r/PurplePillDebate09/08/22 09:13 PM
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In part this was a reaction to the recent thread where the inexperienced guy was dealing with the discovery that his girlfriend had done a threesome with strangers before they met.
/r/PurplePillDebate09/08/22 09:09 PM
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I’m friends with plenty of women who enjoy sex but realized over time that they learned to appreciate the intimacy of it more than the act of it, so they’d rather find someone they can be close and intimate with. Sometimes they decide to wait to have sex with them, but most of them just wait until after the first or second date. While I imagine that “growers” are likely more common than “crashers” among the general population, I’d like to posit that crashers are more likely to result in the comp…
/r/PurplePillDebate09/08/22 09:02 PM
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Then come back and spout your modernist NPC garbage at me. Classicalism is utter shite, and I don’t feel any inclination to address you further.
/r/PurplePillDebate08/08/22 04:50 PM
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I don’t take it as Chivalry meaning that you should be stern to men and meek to women though. Only that it is virtuous to be able to be either stern or meek, depending on the context, rather than the idea of always being the super-always masculine ideal that took over after it. Once you strip chivalry down that far, you’re left with the simple principle that adaptability is good. At this point, you’re now looking at what chivalry has in common with a lot of other ideas, rather than what makes it…
/r/PurplePillDebate08/08/22 02:27 PM
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…because they take polar opposite approaches to answering the same question. Don Quixote makes the point that knighthood was optimistic fantasy, while GoT makes the point that knights and their time period were totally awful. There’s been a relatively modern trope of doing dark and gritty versions of popular historical periods, with 300 kicking it off and The Northman being the most recent example that comes to mind, and GoT represents the most popular part of that movement. We’ve gotten dark gr…
/r/PurplePillDebate08/08/22 02:03 PM
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Taken simply as an idea that men should be meek to women and stern to men, I don’t really object to chivalry. However, the most important aspect of chivalry is the idea that there should be this unwritten code that men follow, and I find that abhorrent. For the most part though, I view chivalry like I do The Force; cool concept, useful for storytelling, definitely fictional. I think you’d quite enjoy the 1962 film Hara-Kiri. While it deals with bushido instead of chivalry, it essentially makes t…
/r/PurplePillDebate08/08/22 01:56 PM
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There are examples of good knights and men even in GoT. That said, GoT doesn’t even really have many ideas about chivalry and knighthood, it’s much more about power and politics. GoT just generally shows how awful the Medieval period was, without too much rosy nostalgia. It fits because knighthood was much more about power and politics than it was questing. It’s all part of the feudal system. Don Quixote is the example you were looking for. No, the entire point on Don Quixote is that the romanti…
/r/PurplePillDebate08/08/22 01:24 PM
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Chivalry is a false idea. In the Medieval period it was an idea that floated around a bit, and then it took off after the Medieval period ended and stories about knights going on quests became popular. This led to a romanticized notion of knights and chivalry that has persisted until modern day when works like Game of Thrones have popularized the idea that knights were the corrupt murderers and rapists that they actually were because that period of history was complete shit.
/r/PurplePillDebate08/08/22 01:06 PM
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TikTok isn’t real fame. It’s heavily skewed towards the young and dumb. By your same logic, the “mainstream” responds very positively to eating Tide pods, but it’s artificially suppressed by western media companies. He’s only just now blowing up on Google because of the criminal allegations. Otherwise, he’d be just another grifter.
/r/PurplePillDebate08/08/22 12:09 PM
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Sex isn’t the only important part of a relationship, but (assuming you're straight) it's the only exclusive part. Not only is it the only part that you can't be supplied by a very close friendship, but it's so important that even in a healthy relationship you generally waive the right to seek it from other people. Without sex, what does romance offer that bromance doesn't? You tell me.
/r/PurplePillDebate04/08/22 02:14 AM
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Oh hell no. Most men struggle with the former because they want to be physically attractive enough that they don't have to change their lack of social ineptitude since that's way harder to work on (than fitness or grooming or style). It's their social ineptitude that's really holding them back, and it's way harder to coach them on.
/r/PurplePillDebate03/08/22 01:53 PM
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Sure, and mainstream appeal is still dictated by how many men partake.
/r/PurplePillDebate31/07/22 01:09 PM
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While current events indirectly play into it, what you’re seeing is a manifestation of the Beard Paradigm. What is that you ask? A study into women’s attraction to beards found that men with beards were really appealing when they were rare, and more men having beards in a dating pool meant that all of them became less attractive accordingly. When men were more stereotypically macho (e.g. 80’s), women would express a preference for “sensitive” guys, which was really nothing more than bucking the …
/r/PurplePillDebate31/07/22 12:43 PM
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Yet they all end up collectively complaining about women rather than infighting like they ought to.
/r/PurplePillDebate27/07/22 04:07 PM
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You’ll need to be a bit more specific on which part you find so odious. Is it: Dating has gotten worse in recent times A tiny minority influences the market for everyone Supply and demand can behave in counterintuitive ways Blaming the opposite sex is unfair and unhelpful
/r/PurplePillDebate27/07/22 02:13 AM
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Do you think self-development can fix the problems with dating on a national or international level?
/r/PurplePillDebate27/07/22 01:48 AM
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Let me ask you: why are you here on PPD?
/r/PurplePillDebate27/07/22 01:41 AM
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Let’s be clear, I’m in a happy LTR that’s less than a month away from resulting in an engagement. I’m not overly concerned with individual cases of men or women getting rejected. My interests are in the big picture, and how dating, technology, and the economy are fueling the instability and possible decline of western civilization. I’ll grant that many people here are really just bitter over their personal situations, but all of those accounts of personal bitterness contribute to a bitter cultur…
/r/PurplePillDebate27/07/22 01:28 AM
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“Your boos mean nothing, I’ve seen what makes you cheer!”
/r/PurplePillDebate27/07/22 01:10 AM
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Falling in love isn’t about looks, rating systems etc. Sure physical attraction gets you noticed but falling in love is more complex. You might date someone who is highly attractive buy just be meh about them but fall head over heals for someone who is pretty average looks wise. Whether you’re looking for a soulmate, a summer fling, a date to your cousin’s wedding, or a late night creampie, it all starts with an introduction. Everyone is fighting for a useful introduction. Whether you’re a pump-…
/r/PurplePillDebate27/07/22 01:09 AM
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Oh, that’s interesting. I meant no disrespect, it’s just I’ve observed that a lot of people think top tier is top 5% or top 1% when it’s really top 0.001% because normal distribution curves are tricky.
/r/PurplePillDebate25/07/22 07:12 PM
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I think the best way to think about it is to envision your friendly neighborhood McDonald’s. We have a “labor shortage” because the workers need a higher wage/better benefits for the job to be worth their time and pay their bills. The owners need to pay a lower wage in order to keep the business afloat in consideration of their other expenses and their revenue. Neither is to blame for this conflict. People pick a side based on which party they find more relatable, and the problem becomes that th…
/r/PurplePillDebate25/07/22 05:18 PM
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Well. Some men on here bitch about being in shape but only pulling fat girls. So kinda. Not me, I do fine, but still. What a lot of people don’t seem to realize is that men do (and should) have higher standards of fitness. Beyond basic health, fitness for women is mostly cosmetic while for men it’s mostly functional. So, even if a man and woman appear to be in about the same shape, the man is generally below par. And yeah but I’m sure if he finds a cute trad wife he’ll compromise on the gaming a…
/r/PurplePillDebate25/07/22 04:01 PM
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Then that’s totally fine provided you’re also in desirable shape. My main point above is that he has this giant contradiction that he refused to acknowledge; a hot tradwife isn’t going to be in his PUBG squad.
/r/PurplePillDebate25/07/22 03:06 PM
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But are you also insisting on dating a women who’s into PC gaming?
/r/PurplePillDebate25/07/22 12:55 PM
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I don’t disagree morally. But I’m just saying for the rest of us it’s a positive outcome. Not morally, pragmatically. There’s rational benefit to not having a large number of resentful people around. Disagree. Mass shootings first off are mainly due to racist and religious reasons, not sexlessness. Mass shootings are caused by people who are imbalanced with the world around them, essentially similar to a wendigo. Sexlessness contributes to that imbalance. Second, mental health treatment would be…
/r/PurplePillDebate25/07/22 12:54 PM
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As a mature lady, I am no longer in the top tier bracket you mentioned. Just a quick note, the “top-tier” that I allude to would be celebrities and trophy wives. To qualify, you’d either be a supermodel/movie star/Olympian/etc or marry a multimillionaire and be set for life from your 20’s. Chances are you were “high tier”, good looking but not enough to become famous for it. If I’m wrong and you are famous, then I stand corrected. This is an important point because part of what I’m trying to ill…
/r/PurplePillDebate25/07/22 12:48 PM
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The chain effect isn’t one at the top cascading down like some trickle down economic theory onto the poors. That’s been there since forever - high SMV people have always congregated at the top. This predated the current dating issues of modern society and have zero effect on the middle and low class. The key difference is that the elites used to segregate themselves from the rest, leaving us to largely imagine how they lived. Modern media has changed that, allowing us to follow them 24/7. It’s e…
/r/PurplePillDebate24/07/22 04:40 PM
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And how many of them choose motherhood over their other available paths?
/r/PurplePillDebate24/07/22 03:34 PM
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My question is centered on why we can’t challenge that concept as a society, because the system itself is broken at this point. Is it worth it when there are so many other things to fight over? Let’s pretend that there’s a fascist government that has taken over. Every year, they conduct a mandatory citizen test. The SS brings you to their processing facility, where you’re escorted into a room with a testing officer and a panel with 2 large buttons, 1 red and 1 green. The officer greets you and a…
/r/PurplePillDebate24/07/22 03:03 PM
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On all sides, men have been done an injustice by being crammed into this role when they don’t have or need to be—especially now with careerist women. I kinda disagree. Masculinity is fundamentally based around conflict with other men, whether through war or business. Eschewing that to stay at home is…questionable. I aspire to be a breadwinner not so much because I’m on the hook for bread, but because I’m a winner, damn it!
/r/PurplePillDebate24/07/22 02:28 PM
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Men can’t get pregnant, which is the critical missing piece.
/r/PurplePillDebate24/07/22 02:16 PM
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And a massive amount of us are miserable with putting that on a pedestal in precisely the same way that a massive amount of women are miserable with putting motherhood on a pedestal. The key difference is that women fought to become careerists/providers as an alternative, but men can’t become mothers so there isn’t really an alternative to fight for.
/r/PurplePillDebate24/07/22 01:16 PM
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To clarify, I’m blaming top-tier men AND women, and by top tier I mean models and movie stars. They create the culture that the rest of us are swimming in.
/r/PurplePillDebate24/07/22 04:10 AM
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and that is the real reason for an inefficient dating marketplace, and the ripple effects you mentioned. Nonetheless, my main point is that the ripple even exists, which makes for 2 key takeaways: A tiny minority of men and women are ruining dating for everyone, and they probably don’t understand just how much effect they have on people they’re seemingly not connected to. TRP is quick to blame all women when it’s really the fault of just a few women.
/r/PurplePillDebate24/07/22 03:40 AM
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And you didn't answer me. How does another mam pumping and dumping ruin your chances with a woman? If anything it makes you look better ​ Men and women are all competing for opportunity, whether they intend to pump & dump or would rather pump & pump & pump over a long a joyous marriage. ​ You also didn't answer multiple people who asked: how are mid women's standards too high and how are women's standards today too high? ​ Their standards aren't too high, that's largely TRP trying to allocate bl…
/r/PurplePillDebate23/07/22 01:12 AM
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The “price” that a man pays is a combination of his inherent value (looks/status) and his behavioral value (how much effort he puts into courting). I’m not suggesting that any tier of women shouldn’t be courted, but rather that for a given man (fixed inherent value) and a given behavior (he tries to court all women equally) the desirability of the women he can attract is lower than it used to be. Or, more succinctly and realistically, a 6/10 dude used to be able to really try and maybe get a 7/1…
/r/PurplePillDebate23/07/22 12:09 AM
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Not necessarily. If low end people check out of the market it’s a demand pressure easing Creating a repressed underclass is not an acceptable solution, and likely to result in more public shootings.
/r/PurplePillDebate23/07/22 12:02 AM
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But at the same time, men don’t have empathy for the common woman. Both have been pushed into conflict by market forces that neither control.
/r/PurplePillDebate22/07/22 11:50 PM
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I'm saying both men and women have a point against each other, but neither is ultimately to blame. ​ Have you ever read The Dark Knight Returns by Frank Miller?
/r/PurplePillDebate22/07/22 10:00 PM
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Dating is fun if you make it fun.
/r/PurplePillDebate22/07/22 07:50 PM
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Of course it is. However, I’m not saying “you should be bitter towards women”, I’m saying “bitterness is an inevitable outcome, whether it’s directed (wrongfully) at women or (rightfully) at the system.” Bitter is bad. Bitter people shoot up schools. We should be collectively working to reform the system to result in less bitter people.
/r/PurplePillDebate22/07/22 07:02 PM
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You take for granted that the solution to capitalism must exist within capitalism or solutions to modern dating must exist within modern dating. That’s simply not the case…just because you don’t have power within the capitalistic system(or modern dating) doesn’t mean you don’t have any power in the larger systems that allow capitalism/modern dating to happen in the first place. The alternatives to capitalism (long term) are traditional fascism or social fascism, neither of which is preferable. J…
/r/PurplePillDebate22/07/22 06:55 PM
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I’m neither a Marxist nor a failure, nor am I prescribing that we implement a hard redistribution.
/r/PurplePillDebate22/07/22 06:52 PM
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The missing connection you didn’t make is that average and below women’ standards are not congruent with the increased demand, it outpaces it. Attractive women are getting flown out, wined and dined in fancy restaurants so yeah it’s understandable they have really high standards. The average woman? Who is 5’4 and borderline obese? She has no basis for the standards she often has these days. The guy she wants will never look her way. I’ll accept that there are a tiny number of crazy women with co…
/r/PurplePillDebate22/07/22 06:49 PM
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Sure, but that doesn’t advocate for mistreatment or a disparity of treatment. Unless you think inaction counts as mistreatment? If that’s the case then you’d be mistreating every unattractive man/woman that you don’t make a play for.
/r/PurplePillDebate22/07/22 06:43 PM
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Just to jump in here, in between digging through all the comments in my inbox that I’m trying to get to, I want to clarify that I am NOT saying mid women expect too much, and I am NOT saying that mid women should have lower standards. A major part of what I’m trying to get across is that it’s straight up wrong to blame mid-women, as many men here would like to. If ANYONE is to be blamed, it’s maybe the Kardashians and other celebrity influencers that shape our culture from the top. It’s a system…
/r/PurplePillDebate22/07/22 06:35 PM
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The consequences will keep coming back until we solve them permanently with technological improvement.
/r/PurplePillDebate22/07/22 06:22 PM
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Is your problem specifically that I’m arguing we can group different people into classes? While I’m arbitrarily making up classes, I’m not saying any particular class should receive better treatment nor be mistreated.
/r/PurplePillDebate22/07/22 06:20 PM
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Yes, I’m not sure which piece you’re picking at.
/r/PurplePillDebate22/07/22 06:05 PM
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“Treatment” and “Results” are not the same thing.
/r/PurplePillDebate22/07/22 05:51 PM
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Yes, and? Decency only gets you so far. If decency + your looks/status gets less results than it used to, something is wrong with the market.
/r/PurplePillDebate22/07/22 04:56 PM
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Sure, and industrial meat farms can be cleaner, but it's ludicrous to say "we need to reduce the number of cows in the world so we can continue to have dirty factories and boats."
/r/PurplePillDebate22/07/22 04:47 PM
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The key difference is that many bubbles can be corrected supply-side. More houses can be built, more companies can start producing insulin, etc. We can't just make more women materialize.
/r/PurplePillDebate22/07/22 04:45 PM
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It would be much better for the environment if attacked any number of factors other than what poor people eat. There are huge institutions wreaking havoc on the environment, and it pisses me off when people try to shift the burden to individual citizens.
/r/PurplePillDebate22/07/22 04:44 PM
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I'm not suggesting that different people deserve treatment. What I'm pointing out is that if Man A treats women well, he used to be able to score a date/relationship with B-Class women, but now he's the same and his treatment of women is the same but it's only getting him C-Class women, where B > C. Man A is now bitter because essentially his value has artificially diminished. It's like inflation, but it's not caused by a central authority being irresponsible with the money printer.
/r/PurplePillDebate22/07/22 04:40 PM
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I'm not expecting you to explain labour-market economics, I'm asking you to expand on the notion that nobody likes them.
/r/PurplePillDebate22/07/22 04:36 PM
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The main point of the analogy is how supply and demand can get fucky and behave in ways that people with only a basic economic understanding would be surprised by.
/r/PurplePillDebate22/07/22 04:33 PM
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I think where you are wrong is that man as whole are chasing the top % of woman. Most men would be happy with an average woman if the average woman wasn't lurkwarm towards them. ​ No, my point is that a small number of men are chasing a smaller number of women at the top, and that this creates a cascading effect that damages the entire dating market, especially at the bottom.
/r/PurplePillDebate22/07/22 04:32 PM
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Actually no. By reducing the footprint of humanity via population decline, it'll result in a giant win for Republicans, who will take the reversal of climate change as proof it was always a hoax.
/r/PurplePillDebate22/07/22 04:30 PM
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"Everybody hates _______" is a subjective observation, and I'm not going to go hunting for research that supports a single-sentence musing.
/r/PurplePillDebate22/07/22 04:27 PM
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The highest tier of women has gotten harder to acquire for a few reasons: Increased interconnectivity has consolidated what would have been a bunch of smaller dating pools into a few larger ones. Economic disparity has widened. Evolution of arts and technology has given us stricter beauty standards. ​ How are mid women's expectations higher as well? You said mid women have high expectations. So you think if somebody is considered socially ugly that person should jusy Date whoever asks and should…
/r/PurplePillDebate22/07/22 04:26 PM
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While I don’t think it makes men oppressed nor do I dislike high-effort dating, I think it’s indicative that men are forced to choose between more effort for the same results or same effort for less results, and the further down we go in terms of male quality the worse it gets until the instability becomes dangerous.
/r/PurplePillDebate22/07/22 04:13 PM
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The housing market is a great comparison; the elites are raking in the cash, the people in the middle are paying more for a crappier house, and the bottom are simply unable to own a house now.
/r/PurplePillDebate22/07/22 03:31 PM
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I'm envisioning tiers sort of the way Rotten Tomatoes appraises movies; not reliable for subjective quality, but gives an understanding of broad appeal. While "value" in this sense is far from set in stone, it can be approximated by looking at both broad trends and one's history of success/failure in the dating game. ​ Edit: To further clarify, think of chess. Different players have different styles that allow one player to overcome a better player just by having the right approach. Despite this…
/r/PurplePillDebate22/07/22 03:28 PM
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Do you think the distribution of men trying to pump and dump is equal across attraction ratings, or concentrated around a particular score out of 10?
/r/PurplePillDebate22/07/22 03:26 PM
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The expectations are that men should try really hard when pursuing women. That may include paying for dinner, but it also includes planning a fun date and picking out a new tie or cologne and taking the time to get a really good shave rather than a quick shave and all manner of other things that a man would do if he was chasing a 10/10 bombshell.
/r/PurplePillDebate22/07/22 03:24 PM
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Oh, meat farms will still do that, they'll just rake in record profits while catering to the wealthy. There won't be real scarcity driving that, just greed. Animals will still be subjected to the same horrible abuses, but the resulting meat cartel will be able to afford ponies made of diamonds.
/r/PurplePillDebate22/07/22 03:22 PM
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Fuck that shit, I'm not going to let the elites take away meat from me. We should NOT be regressing back to the value proposition of hunter-gathering.
/r/PurplePillDebate22/07/22 03:20 PM
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That’s a part of the problem that leads to much unrest. There will always be men who pursue less attractive women for the sake of it being quicker/easier/less costly. As more men are pushed downwards due to increased competition/pricing at the top, it all cascades until the men at the bottom get crushed, and that’s how we ended up with enough incels to label them.
/r/PurplePillDebate22/07/22 03:08 PM
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Do elaborate.
/r/PurplePillDebate22/07/22 03:04 PM
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Value holds up as long as people continue to attribute it it to each other. Yeah, scoring people between 1 and 10 for their value as a date is backwards and asinine, but people still do it so it sticks, and the economic mechanisms that derive from it hold up. It’s sort of like swords; thrusting is simply better. Thrusting techniques are more effective, and swords designed for thrusting are superior, but despite this everyone who picks up a sword wants to be able to slash. It’s irrational and ine…
/r/PurplePillDebate22/07/22 02:53 PM
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Technology will not solve it. It could, but instead it will be used to increase disparity. Let me share with you a nightmare of mine. If there’s one Technology I’m scared of, it’s not deepfakes or weaponized prions or AI or satellite lasers or embedded malware. It’s Beyond Meat. While I’m glad that vegetarians and vegans have plant based options that they can enjoy, I’m horrified because I suspect that it’s been pushed as strongly as it has because eventually us normal people will be priced out …
/r/PurplePillDebate22/07/22 02:49 PM
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Additionally, the usual examples used for Giffen goods, food and fuel, are not exactly analogous to a relationship. Counterpoint: the closest analogue to sexuality is food. Our bodies process horny and hungry in a similar manner. We eat not just for survival but for pleasure, often indulging in excess. We even tend to be picky about our consumption, in a way that isn’t entirely rational.
/r/PurplePillDebate22/07/22 02:40 PM
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I am not suggesting women need to lower their standards, but I see the irony you’re pointing out. My point above is: Supply and Demand isn’t as simple as some people make it out. The bitter truth is that economics dictate that low tier men must go absolutely ham to score with even low tier women. The solution isn’t for women to lower their standards, because that entirely disregards economics. The only way forward is a complete reform of the entire system (unlikely) or for many men to simply exc…
/r/PurplePillDebate22/07/22 01:43 PM
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I’m actually writing an entire new thread about applying the Giffen Paradox to PPD but the short answer is that competition has intensified even over lower-tier women. Lower-tier men don’t want to have to fight tooth and nail for a lower-tier woman (even though that’s what the market dictates), so we get the current dissatisfaction and angst that permeates PPD.
/r/PurplePillDebate22/07/22 01:26 PM
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Then let me introduce you to capitalism 102. Unattractive women in today’s dating market are a Giffen Good
/r/PurplePillDebate22/07/22 01:03 PM
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I will teach her how to be safe, and how to secure herself by force. ​ That's all I need to teach her. My girlfriend/her theoretical mother will already teach her to respect herself, stand up for herself, and accept no shit from anyone.
/r/PurplePillDebate22/07/22 01:32 AM
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I partially agree, but I think you're missing a key piece. ​ The problem many men have is that they think a 10/10 woman requires 10/10 effort, and a 6/10 woman only requires 6/10 effort. This is only true for a 10/10 man. It must be scaled to your score. That means if you're a 6/10 man, the 10/10 woman requires 14/10 effort, the 6/10 woman requires 10/10 effort, and only the 2/10 woman lets you get by with 6/10 effort. Absolutely nobody lets you get away with 2/10 effort.
/r/PurplePillDebate22/07/22 01:17 AM
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I too am an in-shape gamer, but let’s not pretend that gamers are more likely to be in shape than the rest of the population. It’s a requirement that’s at odds with his other requirements.
/r/PurplePillDebate20/07/22 06:54 PM
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But it is a big ask if you also insist on dating female gamers.
/r/PurplePillDebate20/07/22 06:45 PM
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Oh, it’s much worse. The Catholic, Anglican, and Orthodox churches are all giant networks. They all have an amount of centralization that regulates them. That leads to some major problems (e.g. shuffling around child molesters), but also keeps any particular church from going full crazy. The baptists are instead a bunch of small independent churches, similar to one another while disconnected. This gives them a much higher likelihood to cause radicalization and devolve into a cult (or grift).
/r/PurplePillDebate20/07/22 05:58 PM
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The really really short answer is because American Baptists are backwards and stupid. The slightly longer answer is that rural Americans have a longstanding hatred for Europe and institutions, so they claim that Catholics aren’t Christian out of spite. I suspect this is a major reason why the Anglican Church is rebranded as Episcopalian in America.
/r/PurplePillDebate19/07/22 08:20 PM
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For men with limited access to sex (but not completely shut out) my best advice is research. Study female anatomy, study clinical research on sexuality, study resources intended to actually teach good technique, and don’t be fooled by porn. The easiest way to increase the amount of sex you have once you get a little bit is to become so good at making women cum that they invite you back. When I was a horny teenager, I read all of the nonfiction sex books at the local library, because I was determ…
/r/PurplePillDebate19/07/22 07:13 PM
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I don’t make movies, but I can judge them. Women don’t have to ask someone out to distinguish between good and bad attempts. They just need to receive enough attempts, and they’ll be perfectly able to tell that you made a weak play when you approach at the company pool party and say “I wanna be on you.”
/r/PurplePillDebate19/07/22 06:09 PM
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Yeah, he was only interested in hot women. I declare his standards unrealistic because “female PC gamer” as at odds with the rest of his criteria, but he wouldn’t drop that bit.
/r/PurplePillDebate19/07/22 05:38 PM
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Look, I’m a gamer. I play videogames. I went to school to learn how to make videogames. I’m in good shape because of my job, but I’m not going to pretend that gaming is conducive to fitness.
/r/PurplePillDebate19/07/22 04:14 PM
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Nonetheless, his body requirements further exacerbated the gamer issue.
/r/PurplePillDebate19/07/22 04:07 PM
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“Thicc” has no value as a descriptor, it’s been misapplied and made a euphemism/shorthand for an awful body type. It’s useful for indicating how someone feels about curvy women. I wouldn’t say his standard for thinness were unreasonable considering his own physique (he’d previously intended to go into the Marine Corps, and still hit the gym regularly) but simply enough he was only interested in slim/athletic women. These are mutually inclusive, meaning they go together. Only thing I could see be…
/r/PurplePillDebate19/07/22 03:46 PM
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How many hot trad women do you know that would bother changing when they’re already in high demand? Emphasis on hot.
/r/PurplePillDebate19/07/22 03:31 PM
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Dude im not looking for that kind of answer. I wanna know what it means from a psychological or behavioral perspective. I want to know what the different behaviors mean. Yes, and a good doctor will have both the academic knowledge and the experience to provide an actually useful answer. Psychological and medical advice/doctors etc are literal scams. And so you think Reddit is a source for good advice??? Bruh.
/r/PurplePillDebate19/07/22 02:58 PM
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It indicates that you should seek professional help. That’s not an insult, that is a suggestion made with complete seriousness.
/r/PurplePillDebate19/07/22 02:52 PM
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Yes, I had a close friend from high school that was reasonably handsome, in excellent physical shape, college educated, and completely impossible to date. His problem was 100% unreasonable standards. He insisted on holding out for a woman who: Is not overweight (or even thicc) Christian (but not Catholic because they don’t count) Right wing and/or culturally rural Shares his interests in hunting/shooting/fishing/PC gaming So essentially a hot PC gamer trad wife. He might have been okay if he wou…
/r/PurplePillDebate19/07/22 02:50 PM
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Sure, but there’s a major difference between accepting minimal restrictions and attempting to impose additional restrictions. There’s also an important distinction between symmetrical restrictions that are imposed equally, and asymmetrical restrictions that impose on one partner more than the other.
/r/PurplePillDebate18/07/22 09:49 PM
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I’m not saying you can’t make it work, but you’re making things more difficult. Text based messaging is superior because it isn’t in real time, so you’re better able to scrutinize what he/she says and put more thought into your responses. Arranging for a date within a few days is great but try to use that time to your advantage. Radio silence doesn’t get people excited to meet you.
/r/PurplePillDebate18/07/22 05:33 PM
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I mean, this just comes back around to my original statement that Chad is subjective and poorly defined. In a broad sense, I am Chad because I'm successful. In a narrow sense, I'm not Chad because I don't do cocaine or attend orgies, but my narrow idea of Chad is likely too rare to be relevant to PPD.
/r/PurplePillDebate18/07/22 04:17 PM
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The last time I was single, I slept around until my current GF convinced me to turn our one-night stand into an all-nights stand. Even if you’re just looking for sex, all of that still applies, because doing your homework is the key to high quality sex. You want to know beforehand what a potential partner does and doesn’t like so you can prepare accordingly. Like, even if you’re completely self-centered and don’t care about your partner at all, sex is just so much better when you’re fucking some…
/r/PurplePillDebate18/07/22 04:08 PM
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Even then what exactly is better finding and choosing a hot women from the comfort of your own home, or having to actually put effort and go out there. Chad was going to go clubbing anyway, because Chad likes to party. For Chad, downloading an app to pull even more women would be the extra effort. Let me ask you; ignoring the whole conviction thing, do you think high-profile celebrities are bothering with Tinder when they get people throwing themselves forth all the time IRL?
/r/PurplePillDebate18/07/22 03:20 PM
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Someone who can get thousands of matches in dating apps. See, that’s a measure of success, like what I’m advocating. However, isn’t it just as Chad to have no need for dating apps because they can just go to a club whenever and consistently leave with hot women?
/r/PurplePillDebate18/07/22 02:53 PM
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The origin was to describe the bogeyman who was stealing the attention of all the women. For some people that’s a handsome man, for some it’s a charming and socially connected man, and for some it’s a frat bro with a trust fund. Chad is simply an evolution of The Jock in an era where high school is no longer dominated by sports.
/r/PurplePillDebate18/07/22 02:23 PM
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I’m 6’1” with an athletic build, and while I don’t have movie-star good looks I think I’m at least mildly handsome. I’ve always thought that success was more important than looks though. The most successful guy I went to high school with was shorter and not particularly good looking, but he has ridiculous charisma and the intelligence to put it to use. He got involved with theatre at the state level, which meant he spent those years visiting other schools all over and partying hard with theatre …
/r/PurplePillDebate18/07/22 02:18 PM
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That depends on how you want to define Chad, because Chad is really just a bogeyman that takes the form of whatever anxiety lurks in the person describing Chad. Beyond that, I consider myself a Chad. The last time I was single it lasted for 15 days, during which I went on 5 dates and got laid 3 times, all through online dating. I probably could have continued with a (good) date per week, but I cancelled all upcoming dates and decided to stick with the lovely lady from that 5th date, and I’m prop…
/r/PurplePillDebate18/07/22 01:30 PM
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To observe how the world is changing. To look for solutions to make our society better. To pass on advice, because I used to struggle with dating and now I’m about to get married. To bully the wretches for their toxicity.
/r/PurplePillDebate18/07/22 01:23 PM
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Man speaking, but I believe my approach works the same for women: After establishing mutual interest, schedule a date for a few days from now. Spend the time between almost constantly talking. If this isn’t successful, either the chemistry is bad or they’re too busy with other things to put much effort into a relationship. Ask a lot of questions and get a lot of answers. Get personal and probe deep. Use the info you get to build a comprehensive psychological profile. Determine whether they’re be…
/r/PurplePillDebate18/07/22 01:19 PM
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Boundaries = Defense Controlling = Offense It’s all about whether you’re preserving your own agency or diminishing your partner’s agency.
/r/PurplePillDebate18/07/22 01:12 PM
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But it is easier than it would be with a woman who has the same standards but much more intense competition. ​ It needs to be noted that there's a huge difference between idealistic standards (what is desired) versus competitive standards (what the market is offering).
/r/PurplePillDebate17/07/22 06:01 PM
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It's creepy because it's highly likely to be predatory, but it can't be completely confirmed as such.
/r/PurplePillDebate17/07/22 02:33 AM
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No, most men have scarce offers but not none. Moreover though, you’re still missing that it’s all about what you’re trying to acquire. Options for things you don’t want are worthless. If you don’t want peanut butter, then it doesn’t matter how much peanut butter I give you the option to consume. It’s a worthless option.
/r/PurplePillDebate15/07/22 11:04 PM
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The woman is expecting any number of things from the man, based on how he has marketed himself prior to her deciding to sleep with him, only for her to be disappointed and frustrated at what could range from poor performance to downright fraud. But more typically, the woman isn’t actually having sex with anyone, and is having to explain why sex with anyone has absolutely I appeal.
/r/PurplePillDebate15/07/22 09:44 PM
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Because it was offered in a sealed box and I was promised that “there’s totally money inside bro.”
/r/PurplePillDebate15/07/22 09:22 PM
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If you wanted $10 USD and I offered you sticky Monopoly(tm) money, it would not be better than nothing.
/r/PurplePillDebate15/07/22 09:11 PM
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No, she wanted something very specific that wasn’t delivered, and we both know it. There isn’t a single woman who simply wants “sex”. Women may want “great sex with 7 orgasms over the course of 31 minutes” or “moonlit sex on a secluded tropical beach at 11:28pm” or “quick sex with a dude that looks vaguely like my father who’s approval I never received” or any number of other things. However, women never just want “sex” without any other sort of context or modifier or stipulation, and men who’ve…
/r/PurplePillDebate15/07/22 09:03 PM
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That’s not how supply/demand works. Something is NOT better than nothing when it’s something you don’t want at all.
/r/PurplePillDebate15/07/22 08:40 PM
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I don’t think you know what a caste system actually looks like. We don’t have a caste system. We have some people who are taller and hotter while we have some people who are shorter and uglier. These are vague terms that are typically relative to our locale, and ultimately they don’t define you unless you let them. A caste system would be if we determined that all males are now alphas, betas, or gammas. Alphas are 6 ft and up, betas are below 6ft but above 5 ft 6 in, and gammas are below 5 ft 6 …
/r/PurplePillDebate15/07/22 08:24 PM
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A hierarchy is different from a caste system. Hierarchies are inevitable. Caste systems go beyond hierarchy; they give structure to power to ensure that the top stays at the top and that the bottom stays at the bottom. Adults can handle the concept of SMV, both by applying skepticism, and by understanding it as a dynamic construct. Children lack both of those tools, so if you give them the concept of SMV they’ll just use it to label and bully each other.
/r/PurplePillDebate15/07/22 08:06 PM
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Yes, way worse. The blue pill doesn’t encourage children to form a caste system.
/r/PurplePillDebate15/07/22 07:49 PM
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Income is possibly the worst way to illustrate thst. Unless you're specifically telling her precise details of your finances, income does nothing except contribute to the vibe. I grew up rather middle class but I attended a private school for the upper class. When I was dating I had a crappy retail job and drove a high mileage 2003 Civic that had seen better days, but I had refined tastes in many things and other factors like my apparel/accessories and the way I planned dates made me seem more a…
/r/PurplePillDebate15/07/22 12:54 PM
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The thing is, vibe is always a factor. It would be very rare for a woman to turn down a man on looks alone because it would be very very rare for her to consider anyone on looks alone. Moreover, experience often leads to the stereotype that 10/10 men/women will have a bad vibe because they generally do.
/r/PurplePillDebate15/07/22 05:59 AM
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Ignoring my objections to the way SMV is typically described, it is a fucking TERRIBLE idea to give children a reason to stratify.
/r/PurplePillDebate15/07/22 02:39 AM
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Some truth 2 it tho. Only if you’re fundamentally loathsome.
/r/PurplePillDebate15/07/22 02:22 AM
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When she’s lost count. When she’s lost count. Yes, usually early on. I ask a lot of questions and get a lot of intel. I fucked my ex on our first date, and I fucked my current girlfriend within 24 hours of our first date.
/r/PurplePillDebate11/07/22 09:43 PM
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Two things: Are you explicitly filtering out women with boring, low-effort written profiles? If not, that’s probably your problem. Are you actually being interesting? If you’re playing it safe with fairly neutral openings and questions then you’re going to be too boring to stand out. When I first met my ex through online dating (R4R on Reddit, actually) I was one of 50 responses she got that night. What are you doing to distinguish yourself as the most interesting man in the dating pool?
/r/PurplePillDebate11/07/22 04:54 PM
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Masculinity is about mastery, and it doesn’t necessarily have to entail mastery of other people. You can affirm masculinity through nearly any skill, as long as you work to be damn good at it.
/r/PurplePillDebate10/07/22 04:43 AM
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Worse than that; mitigating jealousy of other men by hating women is supremely counterproductive.
/r/PurplePillDebate09/07/22 09:58 PM
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They do, and it’s always annoyed me. I’ve generally wanted great sex to be an alternative to doing drugs, but it’s a minority opinion.
/r/PurplePillDebate09/07/22 04:47 PM
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From an outsider’s view, it looks like a gateway to self improvement for 20% and a feeble attempt to cope for the other 80%
/r/PurplePillDebate09/07/22 04:44 PM
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A lack of cohesion should result in intense infighting.
/r/PurplePillDebate06/07/22 02:31 PM
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It’s not a her thing, it’s an everyone thing. When you’ve observed how someone can go from a seemingly decent person and role model to an out of control narcissist once they suspect that they won’t be around long enough to deal with the consequences of their actions, you realize that anyone can change when presented with life-changing news. I’d stay with my girlfriend if she didn’t immediately devolve into a horrible person and try to cheat (as my dad did) but as far as I’m concerned it’s a 50/5…
/r/PurplePillDebate05/07/22 07:26 PM
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Counterpoint: you’d think that art would be dynamic and subjective, and unable to be reduced to an equation or formula, but that’s just not true. As we get better at collecting and interpreting data, we start to learn how to take advantage of even the most subtle patterns, and that’s why pop music all sounds the same now.
/r/PurplePillDebate05/07/22 03:43 PM
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Honestly, I love my girlfriend, but I don’t know what I would do if she received a terminal diagnosis. That may sound terrible, but you don’t really understand what it entails until you witness one first hand. My dad received a terminal diagnosis when I was a kid, and it destroyed him. Almost 20 years later, he’s still alive and generally doing fine, but he’ll never regain respect from me or my mother after the way he behaved for a decade of our lives.
/r/PurplePillDebate05/07/22 03:35 PM
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Like i don’t go to movies alone, neither karts or grabbing drinks. If i go out alone i make my main objective stopping being alone ASAP. If you’re incapable of going out and having a good time on your own, you probably have some personal development to work on before you can find success in dating.
/r/PurplePillDebate04/07/22 11:06 PM
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It’s a matter of strategy. A lot of people keep dates simple, consisting of just a quick meal or beverage. When there’s not much going on except meeting the other person, a bad date makes for a bad experience. The upside is that a bad date doesn’t take up as much time or cost as much money. Personally, I don’t do coffee dates. I always try to plan a fun activity. I think activities make for more effective dates because the fun factor is a catalyst for chemistry, but the side effect is that even …
/r/PurplePillDebate04/07/22 05:41 PM
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So are bears
/r/PurplePillDebate04/07/22 03:52 PM
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It’s telling though that you compare them to dangerous animals. I’d instead liken them to sports cars; I’ll also speak as to how best to handle them, but that means something very different.
/r/PurplePillDebate04/07/22 03:16 PM
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Again, I didn’t make the claim that TRP was hijacked by incels, so I’m not the one subject to burden of proof.
/r/PurplePillDebate04/07/22 02:53 PM
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Let the commenter above name the hijackers; he’s the one trying to claim that “it’s not the pill, it’s just a few bad apples.”
/r/PurplePillDebate04/07/22 02:49 PM
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Welcome to the Jungle, Sweet Child O Mine, Out Ta Get Me, Mr Brownstone, and Rocket Queen. Oh, you’re a racist? Name every Grand Prix.
/r/PurplePillDebate04/07/22 02:22 PM
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I’ve been a commissioned salesman before, so I know all the tricks and there isn’t a single opening you can use that won’t raise my suspicion.
/r/PurplePillDebate04/07/22 12:58 PM
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That’s a little bit different, as a church isn’t a hobby but rather a propaganda factory where people are supposed to network in order to help build a brainwashed society. The point of going to church is to meet women, with the expectation that you’ll both be enslaved to a god that doesn’t exist.
/r/PurplePillDebate04/07/22 12:55 PM
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Speaking as a man. Dating is fun. It’s expensive and exhausting and annoying to balance with a full time job, but it’s fun. I mean, think about it for a minute. Fine dining is fun. Going to the movies is fun. An afternoon at Six Flags is fun. Visiting a zoo or aquarium is fun. Laser tag is fun. Mini golf is fun. If dating isn’t fun, it’s probably because you’re rubbish as planning dates. At the end of a bad date, you should be able to tell yourself “well, at least the go-karts were wicked cool!”
/r/PurplePillDebate04/07/22 05:26 AM
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Sure, but it’s common enough that amongst all but the smallest groups of men you’re liable to have at least a few members that make it a problem.
/r/PurplePillDebate04/07/22 05:07 AM
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I went a bit further into detail in other comments, but you’re only kept in the matching pool while you’re “eligible” meaning that you’ve activated a card for that week and you haven’t gone through it yet. You’re also removed if you have enough people to swipe right on you to make up the entire card; so if you activate your card and don’t swipe, you’ll be in the pool until 11 people swipe right on you. Then, when you go through, the possibly 11 people you’re presented with are all the people tha…
/r/PurplePillDebate04/07/22 04:06 AM
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Technical scenes like cars and guns are quite bad too. I encourage women to try to get into male dominated hobbies and spaces, they just need to know going in that masculinity promotes gatekeeping, and fighting the gatekeepers is part of the thrill. It validates that you're in.
/r/PurplePillDebate03/07/22 08:47 PM
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As a man, I'm going to generally assume that you're trying to sell me something. That said, you're welcome to approach. That she can go to a male dominated spaces/hobbies for the sole purpose of meeting men and she’d do fine. Do you find this accurate? Fuck no. Men hate it when women pretend to be into a hobby to support an ulterior motive. We're so quick to attack the posers that we drive women who have legitimate interest away, and that's how communities get a reputation for toxicity. You can …
/r/PurplePillDebate03/07/22 08:27 PM
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I’m in favor of requiring platforms to disclose what percentage of their active “users” are bots, but I don’t trust the government to implement regulations in a useful way. Beyond that though, success is too vague to define.
/r/PurplePillDebate03/07/22 07:28 PM
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Assuming you’re perfectly average, each right swipe is about an 11% chance at a match though.
/r/PurplePillDebate03/07/22 07:11 PM
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It’s a point to online dating, but far from the only point. I’d say the most important aspect is that it lets you work on dating while you’re slacking off at work.
/r/PurplePillDebate03/07/22 05:51 PM
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Explanation: https://youtu.be/lwbW9WZb004 I don’t fight because I’m triggered, I fight simply because I can, and because incels make for ideal targets.
/r/PurplePillDebate03/07/22 04:59 PM
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I’m 200% Nietzsche, Senator Armstrong style.
/r/PurplePillDebate03/07/22 04:53 PM
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Quarantined, actually, but I thought they were banned too until another user corrected me. Quarantined now means there’s absolutely no way to see that they even exist unless you go through the desktop site.
/r/PurplePillDebate03/07/22 04:53 PM
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Nah, blackpill is hopeless eugenics worship. TRP is “you need to be cynical towards women and proceed with dating a certain way or they’ll use you as betabux while reminiscing about the orgies they had in their 20’s.” That implies that the members in TRP are not the ones who dumped Stacy after all the college orgies.
/r/PurplePillDebate03/07/22 04:39 PM
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Quit acting like that’s a bad thing and start being a dickhead - TO THEM. Go to the TRP sub and either start a fight or get banned trying.
/r/PurplePillDebate03/07/22 04:36 PM
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I didn’t know that about Hinge, I haven’t used it as I haven’t been single since before they started airing ads for it. I think giving women unlimited rejections is part of the problem with regular OLD, as it encourages the window shopping mentality. Can I ask you; of the men that you swipe left on, roughly what percentage are automatically disqualified based on bad things in their profile, vs what percentage do you pass on where nothing stands out as abhorrent but you think you can do better?
/r/PurplePillDebate03/07/22 04:34 PM
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This is exactly the shit I’m talking about. Your ideology has been violated and instead of condemning the violators you’re redirecting away. It’s an impotent strategy. Why don’t you instead take the opportunity to demonstrate some aggression and call out the misogynist incels that have taken over and say something mean about them? Get mad! Sling some mud! Start infighting! Don’t just let them give your ideology a bad name. Those guys are trash, so dump on them.
/r/PurplePillDebate03/07/22 04:12 PM
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It all comes down to how much time and effort people want to spend. Some people will really sift through Tinder, simply outswiping their competition by putting in more time and effort. Those people won’t be interested. However, I don’t think that’s most people. I think a majority of people on Tinder swipe for a bit, and then get frustrated and give up. I think they’ll find my system more effective.
/r/PurplePillDebate03/07/22 04:07 PM
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OkCupid does a soft version of that, evaluating questions to create match percentages. I think it’s a mixed system. I can’t be too hard on it because I met my girlfriend on OKC, but huge swathes of people don’t want to fill out a thousand questions, which is why Tinder rose to prominence in the first place. After all, people will tell you that the swiping system is “more natural”, but the real benefit of Tinder is less data entry to get started, and less data to sift through while you’re using i…
/r/PurplePillDebate03/07/22 03:49 PM
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I think the biggest downside to the app is eliminating endless swiping would give people the false perception that there’s a lower quality of available matches since they can’t just swipe their way to the best ones. I think the biggest upsides are less bots, higher match chance per swipe for men, and less bombardment for women.
/r/PurplePillDebate03/07/22 03:44 PM
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I’m not even using online dating; I met my girlfriend on it back in 2017 and have no plans to return. OLD can work better for everyone. It has systemic problems that affect people at all tiers of attraction. The ugliest man and the most attractive woman both have problems with current OLD, as do the most attractive man and the ugliest woman. And then there’s the bot problem which plagues the entire internet…
/r/PurplePillDebate03/07/22 03:42 PM
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The way I envision it working, the algorithm would only show you people with an active card and few enough right swipes that you still have a chance. That means anyone you see, you have 1:9 odds minimum of getting a match.
/r/PurplePillDebate03/07/22 03:38 PM
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Or, hear me out: we launch a good but not ultimately profitable platform that builds a huge user base. When the VC runs out, we either sell it off to a large tech company for a nice payday, or we IPO and cash the fuck out.
/r/PurplePillDebate03/07/22 03:36 PM
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The dating pool would only display users with an active card and few enough likes to still be eligible in this particular week. That means if Miss 10/10 appears in your feed then you have a solid chance, but since she’ll be removed from the pool rather quickly your chances of encountering her in the first place are rather slim.
/r/PurplePillDebate03/07/22 03:33 PM
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While an interesting idea, it sort of has the opposite effect of what I’m going for. I imagine that Thursday encourages you to binge swipe every Thursday as the optimal strategy.
/r/PurplePillDebate03/07/22 03:12 PM
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Here’s the thing, though: there hasn’t been a dating app gimmick yet that has made unattractive people attractive. I get the appeal of reduced “competition” but for most OLD users, their biggest competition is themselves. Sure, but my experience with Tinder is that it’s a total shitshow even if you’re attractive. Even if you’re a supermodel quarterback rockstar, you still have to swipe through an army of bots to find real women.
/r/PurplePillDebate03/07/22 03:10 PM
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No. High value women get the same 3/9 limit as everyone else. That means there’s a set maximum of 11 interactions each week per user. So, a high value woman will probably find that every yes swipe results in a match, but she only gets 3 matches each week.
/r/PurplePillDebate03/07/22 03:07 PM
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TRP doesn’t seem very inclined to condemn the hijackers, just like how police departments aren’t inclined to condemn the racists, or Muslims aren’t inclined to condemn the hijackers.
/r/PurplePillDebate03/07/22 02:35 PM
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If they were attractive, desirable, and successful with women then they wouldn’t be whining about “Chad” sleeping with all the women. They would actually be Chad themselves. They wouldn’t be complaining about women, they’d use their time to bully Billy beta. Even if some of them are attractive, fit, and confident, they don’t act like it.
/r/PurplePillDebate03/07/22 01:59 PM
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My point is that men simply process the value of mistakes differently from women. Consider this (and I have no data to back this up, so if you do please share); if we asked a bunch of men and women whether a DUI should strip an offender (no gender specified) of their license and ban them from driving, do you think men and women would answer about the same? I suspect that men would be more in favor of downplaying the offense, while women would be less forgiving.
/r/PurplePillDebate02/07/22 05:40 PM
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It’s simple projection. Women don’t like to admit that they made mistakes in relationships because they think it would devalue them for future relationships because that’s how they tend to judge men. Men are fine with admitting fault because they don’t think it will devalue them for future relationships because that’s how they tend to judge women.
/r/PurplePillDebate02/07/22 04:13 PM
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That would be NYC. Where do you live that good-looking men are common?
/r/PurplePillDebate02/07/22 03:22 PM
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I went to art school and studied photography and photo editing amongst other things, and once you realize how fake everything is you can’t stop seeing it.
/r/PurplePillDebate02/07/22 03:21 PM
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I’m not trolling, but I expect that I’ll get that a lot in this thread. I think the best way to explain it if you’re not quite getting it is to think about clothing and fashion. It’s well known that rich people spend top dollar to look like poor people, but that’s actually misleading. When you spend $500 on a pair of ripped up jeans, they don’t look the same as a pair of $50 jeans with some wear and tear. There’s a lot of reasons for this, but the important part is that they have a subtly distin…
/r/PurplePillDebate02/07/22 03:19 PM
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Sure, but despite that the “underdog” men are almost never actually mid.
/r/PurplePillDebate02/07/22 03:12 PM
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such behavior I thought we were talking about looks. After all, his behavior and the results it yields are all scripted.
/r/PurplePillDebate02/07/22 02:46 PM
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I haven’t watched enough Seinfeld to properly make that judgment, but I would be inclined to answer no, not because George is unattractive but because women on TV are also subject to the same phenomenon. You’re essentially watching an above-average man date way-above-average women. So there’s a mismatch, but you’re still being tricked nonetheless.
/r/PurplePillDebate02/07/22 02:45 PM
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Seth Rogen in Knocked Up? Johnny Galecki in Big Bang Theory? Both of these are great examples of handsome men that are being professionally disguised as average men. Jerry Seinfeld is one of few exceptions, he’s actually rather average, or at least he was. He now looks good for his age.
/r/PurplePillDebate02/07/22 02:21 PM
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There’s 2 halves to this: Jason Alexander (the actor) has good facial geometry. Facial geometry is way more important when assessing attraction (for men and women) than people give it credit because it’s hard to explain in concrete terms (unlike height, which is a simple number). Almost all actors and actresses are going to have good facial geometry with very few exceptions. When Jason Alexander becomes George Costanza, he has multiple teams of people working to make him look good on camera. He …
/r/PurplePillDebate02/07/22 02:16 PM
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You can have favorable results if you have similar base facial geometry and a team of professionals getting your hair and makeup just right before you walk into every room.
/r/PurplePillDebate02/07/22 01:56 PM
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George Costanza is still better looking than average, by a large margin. You may initially think he’s average to unattractive because that’s how he’s framed by the show, but the reality is that his facial symmetry and proportions paired with professionals doing his hair and makeup put him way above average.
/r/PurplePillDebate02/07/22 01:54 PM
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Wait until marriage There is no flag more red than waiting until marriage.
/r/PurplePillDebate02/07/22 01:40 PM
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When romcoms like How I Met Your Mom or Friends show the mid-looking, dorky, unambitious, timid men getting the pretty girls, they present it such that it doesn’t look so far fetched. Except nobody on TV is mid-looking. You don’t get cast in a romcom if you’re mid-looking. The scenarios and relationship dynamics aren’t as far fetched as you’re making them out to be, but the actual damage is that such shows trick you into thinking that the characters look like normal people when they’re all top-t…
/r/PurplePillDebate02/07/22 01:36 PM
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Trust. Trust is the most important thing. Without trust, anything else a spouse or even friend can offer you is worthless.
/r/PurplePillDebate01/07/22 10:02 PM
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As a man, I detest the anti-feminists, which results in my alignment with feminists. Much of anti-feminism, including TRP, reduces to men working together collectively to minimize intermale conflict and gain an advantage over women. To me, this is antithetical to masculinity.
/r/PurplePillDebate01/07/22 08:02 PM
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A woman with even a modest network and a beer in hand can find their way onto a boat, having never even met the owner before. Because of the implication.
/r/PurplePillDebate01/07/22 06:15 PM
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I would hope so, I do spend a fair amount of time around women, and I live with one.
/r/PurplePillDebate01/07/22 06:12 PM
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There are also factors that make men and women different at work. Physical jobs are obvious, but leadership roles and roles working with kids, etc. There is a different supply and demand there as well. But ultimately, men and women can both be put into the same job with the same productivity goals and they can be directly compared. Conversely, women and men do not play the same role in dating. Mostly though, my main point is that your employer has no business in anything other than your producti…
/r/PurplePillDebate30/06/22 10:04 PM
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And moreover, it’s fine for women to want to be viewed as equal at work and unequal in dating because they’re two completely separate pursuits with separate value systems. At work, women can make spreadsheets and attend conference calls just as well as men and their pay should reflect their productivity, which should be roughly equal. In dating, men and women have completely different utilities and different supply/demand curves.
/r/PurplePillDebate30/06/22 02:44 PM
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Unmarried women from 18-36 primarily focus on classes/studying or working, because rent is gender neutral. After factoring time to sleep, there’s a little bit of leftover time for extra stuff like recreation or doctors appointments or social activities.
/r/PurplePillDebate30/06/22 02:22 PM
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Employers don’t pay you based on societal views, regardless of gender. They simply lowball everyone as much as they think they can get away with, and use bullshit about not discussing wages to try to keep everyone from figuring out who’s underpaid.
/r/PurplePillDebate30/06/22 01:41 PM
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…are you insinuating that I’m a woman?
/r/PurplePillDebate29/06/22 09:01 PM
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How often do you complain about things that don’t exist?
/r/PurplePillDebate29/06/22 08:57 PM
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Regardless, OP has based his premise on a wage gap existing. Others have illustrated how his premise doesn’t align with reality, and I’m here to illustrate that if it did then it’s still completely fucking wrong.
/r/PurplePillDebate29/06/22 08:48 PM
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What I don’t see is how salary expectations are supposed to be in any way correlated with your social life. Is it fair that some women straight up expect men to pay for everything? No, but it’s none of their employer’s business. Your employer should absolutely not be able to say “Hey, since you’re not paying for ________ in your private life, we can get away with paying you less.” FUCK. NO.
/r/PurplePillDebate29/06/22 07:55 PM
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Why the fuck should your dating habits (or any other habits unrelated to work) have ANYTHING to do with how much your employer pays you?
/r/PurplePillDebate29/06/22 04:43 PM
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If men are less vulnerable to existentialism then that’s a big win.
/r/PurplePillDebate22/06/22 11:20 PM
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When blue pillers are talking to black pillers, they frequently use red pill talking points such as claiming that women aren’t as visual as men, and thus, looks aren’t that important to a man’s dating success. They advise ugly/short men to focus on going to the gym, being confident, being charismatic, etc. in order to attract women. It’s ironic because, despite supposedly not believing in TRP ideology, this is the exact rhetoric that red pillers and PUAs commonly spout. This is an auxiliary poin…
/r/PurplePillDebate22/06/22 11:17 PM
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If we approach women anytime and anywhere expressing our interest, but also learn to take no for an answer, let her go, and overall respect her boundaries whenever she feels uncomfortable, then perhaps cold approaching can become normalized and even become acceptable once again. “Society would be better off if all the stupid people would quit acting stupid.” Yeah, sure. What’s your plan to get everyone on board?
/r/PurplePillDebate22/06/22 06:09 PM
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Focusing on a tiny minority of men/women and insisting that all men/women are like that.
/r/PurplePillDebate22/06/22 06:05 PM
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Women can judge whether your first impression makes you sexually suitable, but that doesn’t mean your perception can’t change over time.
/r/PurplePillDebate22/06/22 03:02 PM
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I’m a man. I’m not going to set up a male and female friend on a date unless I’m really confident that they’re going to be a near perfect match. After all, my credibility is on the line. HOWEVER, the blue pill isn’t wrong on this one. You’re half-right that women may not intentionally set you up on dates, but you don’t need them to. Women will unintentionally set you up on dates, and that’s why it works. Friends will inevitably expose you to new people without any agenda, it’s just part of being…
/r/PurplePillDebate22/06/22 02:59 PM
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Not a fan. The entire concept feels like paying for commercials.
/r/PurplePillDebate22/06/22 03:15 AM
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Eh, hard to say. Physically, I’m not hard to please. I’m less hung up on looks than most men. However, I have an eccentric personality and I’m a human lie detector, so a lot of people aren’t compatible with me.
/r/PurplePillDebate22/06/22 02:22 AM
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Roughly 1/3 of women have never orgasmed, 1/3 can only orgasm with very specific stimulation, and 1/3 can orgasm normally or even repeatedly. Logically, that would lead to the conclusion that I’ve anecdotally observed; a minority of women enjoy easy access to sex while the majority don’t, and PPD wants to focus on that minority.
/r/PurplePillDebate21/06/22 01:20 PM
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It really seems like we just have fundamentally different views on what makes a man a man. If this is irreconcilable, we’d just have to agree to disagree. Sure, and it’s really a topic better served by a dedicated post rather than being appended to this one. For the part relevant to this post, we are in agreement on the important bit: sharing TRP is not purely strategic.
/r/PurplePillDebate21/06/22 03:42 AM
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That is a very narrow and dim view of masculinity and IMO does not completely map onto mating, especially in modern day. It should be noted that I'm taking a cynical approach to masculinity, rather than putting it on a pedestal. Aside from direct conflict with other men, ie the warrior archetype, masculinity still entails man the leader/king, man the skilled/competent, and perhaps the most relevant here, man the lover. Where I disagree is that I'd argue the warrior archetype is pure masculinity …
/r/PurplePillDebate21/06/22 02:48 AM
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No, fight in the sense of directly conflicting with other men, rather than collectively working to reorient the male/female paradigm to minimize male-to-male conflict. This is ultimately the problem with TRP; it’s trying to use a guise of masculinity to destroy actual masculinity. At its core, much of the “problems” problems that TRP identifies (particularly relating to sexual distribution) are masculinity working as intended.
/r/PurplePillDebate20/06/22 04:24 PM
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However I think for alot of RP men there is an overarching goal (whether consciously or subconsciously) for some sort of social awakening in which men reclaim their masculinity through an honest understanding of the truths behind human sexual dynamics. But that's delusional. Men can't reclaim their masculinity through their orientation to women. That's not how it works. If they want to reclaim masculinity the only way to do it is to fight other men.
/r/PurplePillDebate20/06/22 04:15 AM
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Based
/r/PurplePillDebate20/06/22 04:09 AM
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Look, I don't really know how to explain it better, but I can tell you that it's kind of obvious we look up to jobs that require intellectual effort and we look down upon jobs that require physical effort, with a big exception for entertainment. ​ That's sort of a contradiction since we also detest fat people, but that's a separate matter.
/r/PurplePillDebate20/06/22 03:44 AM
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You’re thinking of nothing as output, but I’m talking about nothing as input. Have you ever heard the song Money For Nothing by Dire Straits? The rock band on the TV is getting “money for nothing” because they’re contributing something (music) but not actually having to perform significant labor to create that contribution (compared to selling appliances).
/r/PurplePillDebate20/06/22 03:05 AM
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I mean, I’ll grant you that forensic accounting is a bit obscure, but I think it’s quite well known that the ultra-wealthy have private accountants, just like they have private lawyers or private doctors. Even so though, the worst case scenario is that you have a cushy office job where you don’t actually have to work hard, and that’s still favorable. Think about it this way; trades can make a decent living because they pay well enough, but they’re also often a lot of work. If you think of your s…
/r/PurplePillDebate20/06/22 01:40 AM
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I’ve never heard a warehouse worker or anyone else in an essential role say that if they could do any job, it would be a teacher Teaching is absolutely a passion job. The pay sucks and the job is exhausting, but people are driven to do it despite that. or accounting I’d much rather fuck around with spreadsheets than do actual labor, and that’s the low end of accounting. Forensic accountants have an interesting, challenging job. Then there’s the luxe personal accountants, whose job is to go play …
/r/PurplePillDebate19/06/22 08:16 PM
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No, my argument is that women are attracted to men with jobs that men desire. Women aren’t attracted to essential jobs because men don’t generally want essential jobs; they settle for them. Personally, the last thing I want is an essential and important job. My daydream is spending all day hosting conference calls and shitposting on LinkedIn and getting way way overpaid for it. I fantasize at being at some uptight yuppie cookout in a $500 polo shirt, and when one of the other douchebags asks wha…
/r/PurplePillDebate19/06/22 07:47 PM
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Let me ask you this, as I’m assuming you’re a guy: if you could have any job you wanted, what would you do for a living? Would it be something essential?
/r/PurplePillDebate19/06/22 07:18 PM
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You didn’t answer the question. What can you provide that Stacy wants but doesn’t have? Don’t say “nothing” because we both know Stacy isn’t a nun.
/r/PurplePillDebate19/06/22 07:42 AM
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Where does your criteria for “disrespect” end? Is it disrespectful if a woman assumes that a man isn’t into being pegged and slapped by a dominatrix? It’s disrespectful to treat someone as a piece of a collective rather than an individual. It’s not a difficult concept. Something tells me that you don’t hold women responsible for communicating like you do with men. I’m happy to call out women when they start making assumptions about specific men based on perceptions of general men. If a woman pos…
/r/PurplePillDebate19/06/22 07:40 AM
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He didn’t disrespect them in any way whatsoever. He was naïve. Do you think a naïve man is disrespectful if he assumes that a woman doesn’t want him to spit in her mouth and choke her too? Depends, is his reasoning “I doubt she in particular would be in to that” or “I shouldn’t spit in her mouth and choke her because all women collectively dislike it and guys that do it are surely assholes.” It’s more like a sandwich shop employee assuming that you didn’t want the five alarm fire hot sauce on yo…
/r/PurplePillDebate19/06/22 06:56 AM
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I’ll reiterate. Don’t say “nothing” because we both know Stacy isn’t a nun.
/r/PurplePillDebate19/06/22 06:37 AM
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What a funny example of the male feminist point of view lol. It isn’t even a male feminist thing, it’s a general “don’t be an asshole thing” when interacting with other people. Nobody likes being reduced to a stereotype. Framing it as “disrespectful” that a man naïvely assumed women wouldn’t want him to be rough with them in bed, probably after hearing some women complain about guys who “jackhammer” women or are too rough. I’m going to steal an analogy from another comment in this thread; if you…
/r/PurplePillDebate19/06/22 06:34 AM
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I offer basically similar things she is offering, basically. So let me get this straight: you’re frustrated because you want to trade something you have (that Stacy already has) for something Stacy has (that you don’t have) and it’s not working. Bruh, this is simple supply and demand. What can you provide that Stacy wants but doesn’t have? Don’t say “nothing” because we both know Stacy isn’t a nun.
/r/PurplePillDebate19/06/22 06:18 AM
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Have you considered that maybe you’re easy for people to connect with?
/r/PurplePillDebate19/06/22 03:40 AM
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Yes, of course. All media shows us attractive people, but social media tricks us into thinking its more real and representative when it’s just as bad as Hollywood.
/r/PurplePillDebate19/06/22 03:37 AM
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I see a lot of posts here detailing how hard it is for men to date, women only go for super attractive guys etc. But I notice that most men making this post want super attractive, model-teir women. How is this logical? Simple; everyone has a really skewed view of what average looks like.
/r/PurplePillDebate19/06/22 03:30 AM
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And what do you provide? Stacy has something people want. What do you have that Stacy would want?
/r/PurplePillDebate19/06/22 03:24 AM
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it is VERY obvious that they are deliberately manufactured from youth, all propaganda teaches men to be simps from a young age, which in turn let’s women be liberated and free Pick a popular film from the last decade and please explain to me how it’s been manufactured to create simps. Like if i could just be nice, have my dead end job, one weekly hookup from apps, and absolutely no worry about other men becoming agressive if i tried to hit on their friends, or even randoms, i would be all for it…
/r/PurplePillDebate19/06/22 02:48 AM
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Control, power, and agency are all nice. They’re extra nice when they feel earned. That’s not to say that a 100% submissive partner is automatically great, but in can be nice every so often.
/r/PurplePillDebate19/06/22 02:38 AM
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I ask because I recently had a very creepy interaction with a member of the sub who will go unnamed. Give us the deets!
/r/PurplePillDebate19/06/22 02:34 AM
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Simply put, women won’t change anytime soon so that men have the upper hand, in fact women never changed, they were deliberately chained for centuries by societal norms to keep the “game” playable for all men. And the biggest problem IMO is that the female behaviour is enabled by simps, of various degrees. And really simping is not something that is going away since men will always be hornier, thus the simp types will always exist. I’m going to humor your predisposition to a radical approach, ev…
/r/PurplePillDebate19/06/22 02:18 AM
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Objection! There’s this thing called acting where you make people believe you’re someone or something else.
/r/PurplePillDebate19/06/22 01:48 AM
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This nonsense is like saying “It’s not the fact that he didn’t like tomatoes that made your sandwich bad, it’s that you didn’t ask if he liked tomatoes.” No, I’m saying that OP can’t blame tomatoes for his shortcomings as a restaurateur, because the premise of his thread is that it’s impossible to make a good sandwich with tomatoes because supposedly all patrons dislike them. If the man in my analogy liked tomatoes, the lack of communication would not magically make him dislike the sandwich. Do …
/r/PurplePillDebate19/06/22 01:29 AM
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Until you lose half of your belongings Unlikely, she has more stuff in terms of net value and I don’t have anything she’d want anyway. child custody battles No kids or plans for them have to pay alimoney Nope! She out-earns me, because I’m banging my boss. Yes, that’s wildly irresponsible, but it’s also a Chad move. It takes like 5 minutes tops to explain your preferences Or I can get into bed with someone who already knows them and doesn’t charge me for the privilege.
/r/PurplePillDebate19/06/22 12:34 AM
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That was maybe undeservedly harsh, but the internet is a collection of all of mankind’s worst advice, written by people who can’t be trusted to be honest about their demographics. You probably have a decent understanding of “women” on the internet, but if you try and apply that IRL you’re probably going to have a bad time. To answer your original question, being a virgin isn’t a red flag. Acting like one is.
/r/PurplePillDebate19/06/22 12:05 AM
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Or I could stick to long-term monogamous relationships. Escorts are expensive, but sharing an apartment with my girlfriend is cheap. Even beyond that, unless you always get the same escort each time you’re still dealing with someone who doesn’t know your specific preferences, and having to explain them each time takes the fun out of it.
/r/PurplePillDebate19/06/22 12:00 AM
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I feel like I’ve gotten a pretty good understanding of them from the internet That statement is way more of a red flag than virginity.
/r/PurplePillDebate18/06/22 11:44 PM
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I do not want to be hooking up. It sucks. It takes tremendous time, effort, and money to ensure enough activity to keep satisfied, and the sex is worse because strangers aren’t trained to your preferences.
/r/PurplePillDebate18/06/22 11:39 PM
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They’re good enough considering what bottom 80% men claim women provide They’re not “good enough” yet, they’re a major logistical hassle at the moment. price can be worked around by re-organizing your finances Not when we’re talking about a 5-digit price tag. If I could do that, I’d be driving something newer than 07. Plus the more men buy into sex bots the more funding companies have to expand and improve based on customer feedback. Sure, but right now it’s not really worth it to be an early ad…
/r/PurplePillDebate18/06/22 10:56 PM
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Well yeah, the crab that’s least likely to escape the bucket has the most to gain from others remaining in the bucket. If you want a deeper explanation than crabs, consider Nietzsche: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Master%E2%80%93slave_morality?wprov=sfti1 Tl;dr people tend to devalue things they can’t have themselves
/r/PurplePillDebate18/06/22 10:18 PM
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crabs in a bucket mentality. You answered your own question.
/r/PurplePillDebate18/06/22 10:12 PM
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So, now so I trust her that she is fully and completely satisfied or do I continue to prod? Prod, but not by asking directly. Get mildly experimental. Make some subtle changes, and see how she reacts. If you get positive feedback, go a little bit further next time. If you really want to discuss rather than act, frame it as “so I was thinking, what if we tried this?” That way, she doesn’t have to commit to liking something beforehand and you get credit for taking initiative. Either you were alrea…
/r/PurplePillDebate18/06/22 09:58 PM
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Now, here’s the spicy question; how well do you know what your wife likes? How certain are you that you’re giving her exactly what she desires?
/r/PurplePillDebate18/06/22 09:22 PM
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Looking back, I can see clues where my girlfriends wanted me to be more aggressive and dominant, but I thought that’s what assholes did and I was a nice guy. BINGO! It wasn’t gentleness, it was you thinking you knew what women like better than they did. I was supremely blue pilled back then, so I just assumed all women wanted to be treated with the utmost respect and never do anything that was aggressive. And yet you completely missed how disrespectful it is to treat women like a hivemind rather…
/r/PurplePillDebate18/06/22 09:12 PM
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Most women will expect you to figure out what they want, and they will give you hints and feedback accordingly. If you’re bad at probing people to figure out what they like/want, then that’s what makes you a meh lover. Of your assorted partners, how many of them do you know what they really like?
/r/PurplePillDebate18/06/22 08:55 PM
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Did they tell you to be gentle?
/r/PurplePillDebate18/06/22 08:51 PM
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It always depends on what winning looks like. I’d define it as achieving a career that enables you to become financially independent, and college stats suggest women have the edge. I’d rather be a man though, even if it’s harder.
/r/PurplePillDebate18/06/22 08:36 PM
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It’s NEVER, “he was so slow and loving and tender and we made sweet love.” Yeah, it sometimes is. It’s less common, but I’ve definitely seen women say some kind of version of that, especially if anal was involved. When I’ve asked, “what is the best sex you’ve ever had”, every woman has answered with some variation of “he was so dominant and fucked me like I was a rag doll!!” Conversely, I’ve also seen women complain about that. Back in my blue pill days, I bought into this bullshit and thought t…
/r/PurplePillDebate18/06/22 08:25 PM
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Sex robots are neither good enough or cheap enough for mass adoption.
/r/PurplePillDebate18/06/22 08:08 PM
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Yeah, I called that perfectly.
/r/PurplePillDebate18/06/22 08:02 PM
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Even short and ugly, a job and gym time will put him well ahead of lesser men who are getting laid.
/r/PurplePillDebate18/06/22 04:00 AM
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I have a job, and friends and I’m a college student, I spend 10 hours a week in the gym. I’m not locking myself in my room waiting for mommy to bring me my dinosaur chickie buggies with hunny mussy on the side. Either you have some sort of malignant personality trait that drives people away, or you’re absolutely terrible at marketing yourself.
/r/PurplePillDebate18/06/22 03:49 AM
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Looks like I made another mistake; it was quarantined instead. Apparently quarantining now makes affected subs completely inaccessible on mobile. No more warnings, straight to “we don’t know what you’re talking about, that sub doesn’t exist.”
/r/PurplePillDebate17/06/22 11:44 PM
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Go ahead, give me your definition of TRP.
/r/PurplePillDebate17/06/22 11:02 PM
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Both male and female incels are willing to do what it takes to get laid, simple as that. They may need to do different things, and women might have it easier, but that doesn’t really matter because neither will overcome themselves.
/r/PurplePillDebate17/06/22 05:45 PM
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Female incels literally don’t exist. Incels are involuntarily celibate. They do, but it’s a misnomer. Both male and female incels are unwilling to do what it takes to get laid, although what that entails can vary quite a bit. It’s not usually actually involuntary, that’s just the bullshit they tell themselves. Also the fact you compare fds to redpill proves you’ve never read any of their posts. Redpill men literally advocate coercing women into sex. The worst thing that fds ever had was someone …
/r/PurplePillDebate17/06/22 01:10 PM
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Oops. Sorry for party rocking. You’re right, I thought I remembered them getting banned with TRP and MGTOW, but nope.
/r/PurplePillDebate17/06/22 03:56 AM
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Ok, so the most important thing is separating the ideologies of each pill from the associated communities. As ideology: Blue - there’s someone out there for everyone, just be yourself and it will eventually work out. Red - don’t listen to that fairy tale crap, you need to be pragmatic. That means self improvement and a strategic approach, and generally not trusting women. Purple - some mix of red and blue Black - it’s impossible to overcome bad genetics, so if you’re short or ugly just give up. …
/r/PurplePillDebate17/06/22 03:33 AM
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That’s because it’s a different sub entirely. The original TRP sub got banned awhile back. You’re seeing a new sub someone made afterwards. When you say that you’re new, do you mean strictly to PPD and TRP, or to Reddit in general? Like, does the name Ellen Pao ring a bell? To fully understand the issues with TRP you need a bit of familiarity with almost a decade of Reddit drama. The really short version is that there were subs that got banned before TRP, that were worse than TRP. Those problema…
/r/PurplePillDebate17/06/22 02:56 AM
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First of all, I don’t believe in banning any sub unless it involves child pornography, but that’s a separate issue. Second,the worst part of TRP was the TRP sub, and depending on your interpretation you could even argue that the sub contradicted TRP. You can correct me if I’m way off, but in my observations the good aspect of TRP is the idea that you should take control of your life and actively drive positive change rather than sitting around waiting for a fairy tale romance to fall into your l…
/r/PurplePillDebate17/06/22 02:43 AM
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I’m not proposing shit, I’m explaining what the prior comment was proposing, so that you can design a more relevant counter argument. If you want my opinion, I have a thought experiment that I’ll offer if you’re up for it.
/r/PurplePillDebate17/06/22 01:28 AM
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No, you’re conflating two separate arguments: The Mexican Standoff - if everyone has guns, then everyone will be afraid to use their guns The Violence Pyramid - with more guns, gun violence goes up but overall violence goes down; guns concentrate violence to a smaller volume of crimes The latter is what the above comment suggests.
/r/PurplePillDebate17/06/22 01:18 AM
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I’m vain I don’t think he could have been much clearer.
/r/PurplePillDebate15/06/22 11:07 PM
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Because their problem isn’t misogyny, it’s that they’re complaining on the internet.
/r/PurplePillDebate15/06/22 08:07 PM
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It won’t do anything to stop STD’s, so it’s useless for casual sex. It only lasts for 3 weeks, so it’s too much of a hassle for committed sex. My gf has a Mirena to negate her periods, but if she were to have it removed we’d probably do something like Phexxi instead of male BC.
/r/PurplePillDebate15/06/22 01:06 AM
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I believe dating is exceedingly difficult right now, but I believe the reason for that is neither men nor women, but the economy. As wages fail to keep up with costs, people are getting priced out of dating. They’re getting priced out of the self-improvement they need to date successfully. They’re getting priced out of the fundamental infrastructure (car + house/apartment) needed to date I imagine someone will come forth and say that you can get by on broke dates. There’s a thread right now on a…
/r/PurplePillDebate14/06/22 06:49 PM
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it isn’t doing what’s best for the child because then you’d also ban abortions. Yes, it is best for the child. What’s worse for the child is forcing it to come to life in a world where it doesn’t have parents that are willing and able to provide for it.
/r/PurplePillDebate14/06/22 04:59 PM
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It’s cringy if he directly copies others forever. When he’s a man he shouldn’t simp for other men that’s weird. But when he’s young he is undoubtedly going to be an unoriginal copy of his dad or someone else. He cannot be himself until he is someone else first and that is usually his dad or another older man. But what ends up happening is most people bounce from false idol to false idol, never actually reaching the point of enlightenment where they reject the very concept of worship. You don’t s…
/r/PurplePillDebate13/06/22 04:49 PM
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Some losers are happy to date other losers, because they'll take what they can get. Others insist on holding out for a winner. The issue is that while there are a similar amount of male and female losers, there's way more female losers inclined to hold out so supply/demand become imbalanced.
/r/PurplePillDebate13/06/22 04:11 PM
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You call it pyramid schemes yet you have no problem when this hierarchy exists in corporations, businesses, the army, police, sports teams. Basically everywhere with men. Blind spot for your hypocrisy perhaps. WRONG! You underestimate both my individualism and my cynicism. I despise hierarchies in all of those, but this isn't about hierarchy. Young Men are wired to follow cult leaders, heroes, legends, Gs. Men who live the life and preach it. Joining gangs, religious ideologies, cartels, rebel g…
/r/PurplePillDebate13/06/22 03:54 PM
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You really need to pick a different term than "gurus" for the point you're trying to make. Outside of Sikhism, it's a term that means "spiritual bullshit peddler" to most people. I understand you're trying to say boys need role models but it sounds like you're saying boys need to join cults and/or pyramid schemes.
/r/PurplePillDebate13/06/22 03:00 PM
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Welcome to Insults 101. What derogatory term hasn't been used to the point of uselessness?
/r/PurplePillDebate13/06/22 02:39 PM
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If your standard is “ideals” then it’s extremely difficult for most men to get both and it’s equally difficult to get both long term. Yes, but the point of ideals is for us to strive towards them. We generally want to get as close to ideal as we realistically can. So it still doesn’t explain why they give more energy to one than the other. Again, it's a matter of availability. We all give more energy to things that are less available. Sex approaching ideal is less available to men than companion…
/r/PurplePillDebate13/06/22 02:16 PM
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Your analogy would make sense if men could lock down a quality life partner easier than they could get sex No, easier than they could get ideal sex, which is very different than getting any sex. according to the men that struggle both are hard to get and a woman that would make a quality partner(not just a mediocre one that they keep around to avoid the casual dating circus) is even harder. For men that struggle, they’re not even bothering to hunt for ideal sex, they’re looking for any sex. This…
/r/PurplePillDebate13/06/22 05:03 AM
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Imagine that I really wanted to find a restaurant that could serve up an amazing cheeseburger with an amazing side of fries. There are 27 venues within a reasonable driving distance. Of them, 11 make an amazing cheeseburger, 2 have amazing fries, none overlap, and the other 14 are unremarkable or underwhelming. Now a 28th restaurant opens. Do you think I’m going to spend more time and effort scrutinizing the burger or the fries? Answer: I’m going to give the burger a simple thumbs up or down, bu…
/r/PurplePillDebate13/06/22 01:52 AM
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There’s no contradiction; men frequently want both the wholesome partner AND the super freak, but they’re constantly forced to choose. Seeking a relationship can lead to a wholesome partner, and playing the hookup game can lead to a super freak, but there’s no good approach to find a balance of both. It’s ESPECIALLY dicey because often times women can be both but they refuse to be both to the same person as a sort of reverse Madonna/whore. Then, they mostly talk about sex because the sexual side…
/r/PurplePillDebate12/06/22 07:41 PM
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“People want commitment from a high-value partner despite high-value partners having the least to gain from commitment.” You’re taking a bilateral phenomenon and stuffing it into a unilateral frame.
/r/PurplePillDebate12/06/22 06:34 PM
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The bar is absolutely not at an all time low unless your view of history is laughably nearsighted. It’s only recently become unacceptable for men to get drunk and beat the shit out of their wives. The bar is higher than it’s ever been, and that’s a good thing.
/r/PurplePillDebate10/06/22 04:52 PM
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The biggest misconception that everyone is exposed to is the idea that attraction is universal. It isn’t, especially for women. Thus, if you want to make yourself attractive then you need to have a really good understanding of who you want to be attractive to or else you’re going to have a bad time. For instance, take James Bond. You’d think he’d generally be considered the pinnacle of sexy. He’s physically attractive, he’s affluent, he’s charming, he’s cultured, he’s educated, and he has basica…
/r/PurplePillDebate31/05/22 04:37 PM
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Because that’s how the human brain works. We’re conditioned to never become content or fulfilled outside of extreme circumstances. The upside of that is our ability to cope with hardship and despair. Inevitably, our brain strives to return to a state of equilibrium in the middle. If you could easily have all the casual sex you wanted, one of two things would happen; either you’d subconsciously downplay the value of sex and come to take it for granted, or you’d get caught in an addiction loop. Th…
/r/PurplePillDebate31/05/22 02:55 PM
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But in reality, many men will have more than 1 of those qualities, making the math totally wrong. That’s sort of what it’s trying to illustrate; many men may score well in one category, but refusing to compromise and demanding that they score well in all categories is hugely limiting. Basically, women can insist upon dating men that are tall OR wealthy OR not obese and of their preferred race, but if we switch each OR to AND then suddenly there’s nobody to date.
/r/PurplePillDebate30/05/22 09:42 PM
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Sure, but some people are responsible and try to pay it down, and some keep making it worse. The first is acceptable, the second is problematic.
/r/PurplePillDebate30/05/22 04:58 PM
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My girlfriend had student and credit card debt before I met her. That didn’t stop her from working a job to pay her rent. Debt isn’t inherently bad if it’s being managed responsibly.
/r/PurplePillDebate30/05/22 04:45 PM
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Most women don’t have spending habits that would result in a net loss, ESPECIALLY if they’re already paying for their own place on their own while single.
/r/PurplePillDebate30/05/22 04:38 PM
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Some women do, but they aren’t the ones you want to be living with anyway.
/r/PurplePillDebate30/05/22 04:32 PM
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Not with what rent costs in the city.
/r/PurplePillDebate30/05/22 04:28 PM
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Keeping parameters at the default ages 20-40 and unmarried, me being 6’1” and not obese automatically puts me at top 3.6% without factoring income or race. If I add in that I’m white and I put my income to $40k, then I’m now top 0.95% of men.
/r/PurplePillDebate30/05/22 04:25 PM
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It’s a bad thing if it isn’t sustainable. The birth rates in developed countries are alarmingly low, and it will eventually lead to severe social regression.
/r/PurplePillDebate30/05/22 04:06 PM
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In short, yes, because: Reddit and much of the internet is America-centric What we’re observing is an American cultural issue that both our economic and romantic issues stem from
/r/PurplePillDebate29/05/22 03:17 PM
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My bad, I missed the Q4W flair.
/r/PurplePillDebate19/05/22 12:47 AM
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As a man who’s been a prolific gamer, and with a girlfriend that has ranged from critical of the hobby to partaking in it herself, the big issue is the scope of gaming. Being a gamer and playing games can mean a lot of different things. A lot of games are designed to encourage unhealthy behavior through a variety of insidious means, and getting snared by them is not a good look. When my girlfriend has a problem with my gaming, she was justified: I was trying to get into Destiny 2 raiding, which …
/r/PurplePillDebate18/05/22 11:47 PM
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Having kids is not the same as having a family. There are plenty of people, irrespective of red/blue/purple pills, that would pull a Jango Fett and clone themselves if they could.
/r/PurplePillDebate15/05/22 11:59 PM
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Take the sex out of the equation and I’d still choose that lifestyle. You might be happy with your Jetta, but I’d rather swap mine for a Porsche.
/r/PurplePillDebate06/05/22 03:32 AM
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Im saying dont do things you dont want to do. And I’m saying that reasoning justifies pursuing partners with low n-counts as they’re less likely to have already figured out what they do and don’t want to do, making them more likely to be willing to try more things. Do you understand how that follows?
/r/PurplePillDebate24/04/22 03:41 AM
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Thats a her thing not a people thing. We all have things we’re open-minded about, and things we aren’t. Hey you do you and think you cant have great experiences with others because you did it with someone else. So then you’re asserting that I should NOT try anal sex, not like it, and then never want to do it again? It sounds like you’re saying I should do it with every man I ever date.
/r/PurplePillDebate23/04/22 05:14 AM
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Why couldn’t you learn and develop still because of one sex act? Presumably if you’ve tried and judged anal sex, you’ve tried and judged other acts. A person with one parter before you could try something once and not like it. Sure, but the extent that they’ve discovered their sexuality already is likely to be more complete with more experience, which correlates to partner count. Who says you cant learn and develop? You learn each other. We never stop growing or learning. Until we choose to stop…
/r/PurplePillDebate23/04/22 04:45 AM
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Counterpoint; if people commonly try things once and then solidifies their preferences, then low n-counts rise even higher in value. Who wants a partner that you can’t learn and develop with?
/r/PurplePillDebate23/04/22 03:22 AM
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It’s not going back to normal anytime soon. The economic damage from the pandemic and resulting inflation is half the problem. The other half is government regulations pushing the industry to electrification faster than the necessary infrastructure is built. We’re looking at a lengthy period where you can buy a new car, drive it for a few years, and sell it for almost what you paid for it, or even a profit, if you can afford to do so. If you can’t afford new vehicles, you’re going to get fucked …
/r/PurplePillDebate23/04/22 03:15 AM
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Not in this market.
/r/PurplePillDebate23/04/22 03:02 AM
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ITT: conveniently ignoring that men and women have different priorities.
/r/PurplePillDebate04/04/22 12:53 AM
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I think that entirely depends on the impact of the unusual traits and how much they affect your partner. You don't need to tell a partner before emotional investment that K-pop is your guilty pleasure. You do need to tell them that you were abducted as a child and now commercial vans cause panic attacks on sight.
/r/PurplePillDebate30/03/22 11:10 AM
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It's not about fairness, it's about efficiency. In an ideal dating economy, everyone pairs up with someone analogous to them to ensure the most total pairings.
/r/PurplePillDebate23/03/22 03:42 PM
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No, he's trying to rescue her from enslavement. She's not indifferent, she's brainwashed.
/r/PurplePillDebate22/03/22 05:09 PM
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You're really trying to ignore the context of Casino Royale. Crashing an Aston Martin to avoid killing your coworker is not "trying to win her over". I mean, these are soldiers. It's kind of expected that they try to save each other regardless of romantic interest. In the final scene, Bond isn't just trying to "win her over", she's carrying a briefcase full of a shit load of stolen cash. Bond would be pursuing a male colleague the same way.
/r/PurplePillDebate22/03/22 05:07 PM
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It's likely not representative because you, like most people, are attracted to good-looking extraverts which biases the results.
/r/PurplePillDebate14/03/22 03:54 AM
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Let's make an exception for people who actually perform sex acts for money though. If Ben will give you a handy for $50 then it's okay to call Ben a hoe.
/r/PurplePillDebate14/03/22 03:52 AM
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apart from the ones who were in relationships in their teens/early 20s Ding ding ding
/r/PurplePillDebate14/03/22 03:50 AM
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People think it's normal because that behavior gets noticed much more than boring normal dating (or lack of).
/r/PurplePillDebate14/03/22 03:48 AM
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The only men who enjoy being players are the few wildly successful ones, just like the only employees that enjoy working 60 hour weeks are the owners that make the rules and take the profits.
/r/PurplePillDebate13/03/22 09:38 PM
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Go to your local brick & mortar sex shop and look at what they have on the shelves. Chances are they stock a big silicone disembodied ass but not Bad Dragon.
/r/PurplePillDebate28/02/22 12:20 AM
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Bad Dragon is neither popular nor mainstream. It's not relevant.
/r/PurplePillDebate27/02/22 11:29 PM
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Women with dildos meant to look like realistic dicks aren’t getting shamed anywhere near as much as men with the male equivalent. How many women can you personally confirm to favor realistic dildos? And you can argue that they are less popular all you want…but realistically that should only make the women who do have sex toys like that look worse by contrast not better. But the difference in popularity is steep enough that unless a woman specifies her toy collection then odds are she prefers som…
/r/PurplePillDebate27/02/22 09:23 PM
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There are definitely sex toys for men that aren’t just surrogates and the stigma doesn’t seem to go away whatsoever Because they're simply less common/popular. if anything it seems to get worse not better. Agree to disagree. If I had to pick a sex toy for someone else to accidentally stumble upon, 100% my pick would be Tenga's Flip Zero. Also personally, the more realistic a woman’s toys are the less I judge her. If your idea of sex is so devoid of personality that’s kind of weird and pathetic a…
/r/PurplePillDebate27/02/22 08:44 PM
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To put it more succinctly and expand on that thought, the most common female toys try to sell stimulus. "Buy our toy, it'll buzz your clit really well." Conversely, the most common male toys try to sell fantasy. "Buy our toy, pretend your fucking a currently famous porn star." That's kinda lame, and not because of anything to do with male sexuality itself, but because it's always lame buy things in a desperate attempt at coping. Think about it this way; it's perfectly fine to purchase a Toyota Y…
/r/PurplePillDebate27/02/22 08:12 PM
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You're looking at fringe oddities. Look at the most mainstream sex toys for either gender. The normal toys for women have been the Hitachi wand, assorted rabbits, and bullet vibes. Many of these have gone upmarket over time. Stuff on the men's side has largely consisted of cheap TPU pocket pussies, disembodied sections of women, and inflatable or silicone dolls, all of which are presented in a rather unappealing way. This is slowly changing, but it's mostly heralded by Tenga, which isn't gaining…
/r/PurplePillDebate27/02/22 07:41 PM
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I wrote it up fully in another comment, but women's toys tend to be abstract, which allows for better design. Male toys keep trying to be surrogates for real women. Think Hitachi wand vs sex doll.
/r/PurplePillDebate27/02/22 04:21 PM
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I think male sex toys should be as accepted as female ones The problem is that male toys are so often distasteful with their design. Women have companies like Lelo and We-Vibe and Fun Factory and Njoy and more that have excellent industrial design, and they take the spotlight over all the cheap sleazy garbage because there's more money to be made in marketing and selling them. On the male side we have Tenga which is excellent, Fleshlight which is okay, and Venus which is very expensive. Beyond t…
/r/PurplePillDebate27/02/22 04:19 PM
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Eat the cheeseburger until steak is available, then swap? The above statement is easily disproven by the concept of hypergamy.
/r/PurplePillDebate06/02/22 08:20 PM
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Sure, so it's not diametrically opposite. Women and men will both date down while waiting for the opportunity to date up.
/r/PurplePillDebate06/02/22 05:47 PM
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Nonsense. I crave 5% of cheeseburgers, but I'll eat 75% of them when I'm hungry. Where's the contradiction? It's not diametrically opposite unless you also claim women refuse to ever date outside tht 5% they're attracted to. That just isn't true though.
/r/PurplePillDebate06/02/22 05:36 PM
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There are more people in the dating pool than white Americans, but even among them there were arranged marriages through the boomers. It just was more low-key, with families heavily nudging their offspring together as opposed to "you are marrying the Patel kid whether you like it or not." You should read/listen to Aziz Ansari's book/audiobook Modern Romance. He wrote it with the help of Reddit, and it covers the way that technology has changed dating. One of the big takeaways is that boomers did…
/r/PurplePillDebate03/02/22 05:23 AM
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Actually, they're looking for much better results than previous generations. It used to be much more common to marry for convenience or necessity or diplomacy than for love. It also used to be much more common for marriages to be arranged.
/r/PurplePillDebate02/02/22 05:08 PM
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They are discontent and refuse to accept a relationship on those terms. I'm not saying people should settle. What I'm saying is instead of chasing 8's, you should seek out 5's that are actually 8's, that will eventually be recognized as 8's, but that you can get in with before then and at a better cost. It is obvious to most people men and women, that attraction can’t be negotiated It is flexible, in that you can be attracted to a variety of people. It's also based on what you see in people, and…
/r/PurplePillDebate02/02/22 03:24 PM
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It's much better to have a synergistic relationship where both people benefit, than a malicious one that's advantageous to you. The red pill kinda makes sense if you're insistent on chasing high-value partners, but you'd have to be an idiot to think that's a good idea. If you want a happy, synergistic relationship then the play is to seek out people who are undervalued by the market, which should be obvious yet so few people do.
/r/PurplePillDebate02/02/22 02:08 PM
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There is none. TRP doesn't believe relationships can be symbiotic. Their whole ethos is to benefit from a malicious relationship, because the only alternative they see is to suffer from a malicious relationship.
/r/PurplePillDebate01/02/22 08:18 PM
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Which do you think changes stuff more consistently and with greater potency?
/r/PurplePillDebate31/01/22 07:48 PM
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You can be real friends with sex partners. You can't be real friends with clients, no matter what your business is.
/r/PurplePillDebate31/01/22 07:26 PM
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I'd rather have 0 exes still around.
/r/PurplePillDebate31/01/22 02:59 PM
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