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They may find women more easily attracted to resources, but the higher she scores on traditional feminine values, the grander his masculine performance will have to be. Which alot of dudes who couldn’t impress ANY western woman (he probably could have, if he tuned his parameters better) won’t be able to do. What level of economic leverage do men need to feel secure? The ability to impress her with his wealth, or literally support her? For a man looking for a level-headed woman, he’d need neither…
/r/PurplePillDebate22/05/23 09:54 AM
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I really like considering free market failure in this context, but many of these points could/are motivated by behaviors far from female sexual selection. Fluctuations in religion, economics, and socialization from the 20th to the 21st century arrived well before women started being picky over social media - the hyper-fixation on the perfect male mate is aggressively modern. Female dating advantage has always existed in youth, if anything its purview has only widened and softened over time. 100 …
/r/PurplePillDebate22/05/23 09:43 AM
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Only a minority of people are so disconnected from their own agency to pursue education and health only for attention. And an individual unable to self-motivate is more unattractive to all peoples than a fat person in the long run. Their problem is less to do with physique and more in motivation, which is bound to be palpable in other aspects of their life. Being encouraged by romantic attention is to be expected, but an individual’s ability to go and go consistently is a larger part of the appe…
/r/PurplePillDebate22/05/23 09:17 AM
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Great points. I’ve always been curious of how women’s access to sex and nothing more can be deemed as an immutable privilege, but a woman cannot use this privilege to determine her worth on the sexual market.
/r/PurplePillDebate22/05/23 09:12 AM
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Responded so well you put his ass to bed. Great read.
/r/PurplePillDebate22/05/23 08:58 AM
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No problem. I appreciate your honest demonstration of dating abroad. Like stated, most guys who want to do what you do think they can pull up to SEA with no money, looks, charm, or decency. Big part of why western women don’t like it is because we fear men aim to treat these women worse. Even if you were just looking for sex, you display universally attractive attributes that have secured your success. It’s important to shoutout the good applications, hopefully others will learn from you.
/r/PurplePillDebate19/05/23 05:58 PM
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No questions, I’d just like to point out how OP is an attractive, working, respectful, and older man searching for something stable but still having his fun overseas. Most of the women he engages with do not want him for money. And he does not see his engagements with them as transactional. He’s even been engaged several times and plans to return to his home with a wife. This is very different from most of the passport-hopefuls I hear/read about. Going across the world didn’t mitigate the need t…
/r/PurplePillDebate19/05/23 05:16 PM
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So you’d be cool with being attacked/raped by every 33rd man you met in your life? Sure jane
/r/PurplePillDebate18/05/23 08:04 PM
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Wonderful response.
/r/PurplePillDebate16/05/23 07:58 PM
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Male sexual desire is one of the only things our society allows to be pursued nearly unchecked. A jury can be incredibly sympathetic to a thief, but that will almost never amount to an acquittal. Because they still stole the money. If I, as a woman, wanted a relationship so much from you that I lied to you about who I was, would my explanation of said desire make it ok? Do you appreciate and still engage with people who catfish you online? If someone broke into your house and explained they only…
/r/PurplePillDebate16/05/23 07:24 PM
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My analogy could be more specific - it’s really like stealing money from an uninsured bank. In the mind of the thief, their actions are justified because they know their own suffering, but they’re taking from people who don’t have much more than them and weren’t the ones who made them poor. Under the image of the bank (women as a collective/the plight of male dating), you feel safe to strike the institution but you’re just taking from people you don’t know and have nothing against you (the indiv…
/r/PurplePillDebate16/05/23 07:17 PM
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Social Studies present human behavior under incredibly specific conditions - there are trends in population based on narrow parameters with a high amount of external variability. The problem is less of if people perform behaviors similarly in specific situations, but how likely that specific situation is to happen irl, with the same context as before. Sexual behavior is incredibly varied, especially for women, so it’s hard to apply how 23 year old students taking Psych 1 in a college town respon…
/r/PurplePillDebate16/05/23 04:24 PM
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It’s funny, how you state it sounds much more appealing than any softening or diversion. I understand and empathize with men’s desire to have sex, but women hate that it comes at their expense. Not that men set out to use, but knowing that you will have to offer them something that you never plan to give hurts. By omission or otherwise, men know they insist on women’s rosy shades for their benefit. It’s like being poor and robbing a bank. Its horrible to be poor, but taking something under false…
/r/PurplePillDebate16/05/23 04:14 PM
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Nah, the conclusion is just that all women are stupid. Apparently a man needs to lie to get laid. Women hate that, these men say - shut up stupid bitch, you couldn’t tell anyway. A woman says she can tell - shut up stupid bitch, victim blaming much A woman admits she can’t tell - well stop being a stupid bitch and vet better No wins available here.
/r/PurplePillDebate15/05/23 01:35 PM
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I like your jib captain.
/r/PurplePillDebate12/05/23 06:26 PM
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This is super key, most likely because women are thinking about things beyond sex/courting. If considered honestly, this is a hard question for anyone to answer and you can really only answer it for yourself. Men may believe it to be easy because men may think of only two things 1) how to make him hard (the near universal don’t be fat and smile will suffice) and 2) how to not give him a hard time (ask him questions, don’t argue with him, make him feel special). Men are also much more confident s…
/r/PurplePillDebate12/05/23 06:24 PM
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We struggle because we’re all different, so giving a guy a list of things to be will really only help him get me. Which, following what men say they want, isn’t great advice. And you’re right, essentially the things that get women to like men are the things that make women like any given person + physical attraction. Maybe why women get frustrated with the ask - because the request is really about decency and sociability which are applicable well beyond dating. Skills that she’d expect you to ha…
/r/PurplePillDebate12/05/23 06:08 PM
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Tend to isn’t a strong enough case here - something being significant in a study doe not mean it happens the majority of the time. Women indeed have different parameters between hookups and long term. The quality of that difference does not need to be compared to men’s to be legitimate.
/r/PurplePillDebate11/05/23 03:47 PM
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They just picked a word that they thought would make you look bad. What you said cuts close to the antithesis of whataboutism.
/r/PurplePillDebate11/05/23 03:35 PM
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We all do it. That thinking is the cornerstone of conservative male dating. ‘Let me aim for women who are discreet and virginal into adulthood and hope they’ll learn to be sexually daring with me!’
/r/PurplePillDebate11/05/23 03:33 PM
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Right. It’s only ever two poles, threaten her or become indistinguishable from a talking doll.
/r/PurplePillDebate11/05/23 03:26 PM
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Jesus what a great response. And they’ll never be able to answer your questions.
/r/PurplePillDebate08/05/23 09:04 PM
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No you don’t understand. Logic and common sense are based in what men like to do. Because female behavior and perspectives are invariably false.
/r/PurplePillDebate07/05/23 12:28 PM
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Ding ding ding
/r/PurplePillDebate07/05/23 12:08 PM
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Live more within masculine performance. Be less emotional, less willing to show deep interest in anyone. Focus more on displaying stocism, dominance, and the dark triad. I don’t think any of that helps here, because you seem to be looking for a more earnest and forward interaction. And to be interesting to women is part what you do, part how you incorporate her into the interest, and part how far/well you are at the interest. Doing things that she doesn’t and couldn’t join in on, things you cann…
/r/PurplePillDebate03/05/23 07:59 PM
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Sure, but if you can understand that confidence is important, but difficult for human beings, why must we say that women don’t need confidence? Because that’s just not true, in dating or life otherwise. Ill put it like this - men make a very reasonable stink about how women use the actions of a few to paint the entire sex. Just like men can’t approximate their dating potential from the >10% of Chads, women can’t with the >20% of Stacies. All the women who NEEDED confidence and charisma to get a …
/r/PurplePillDebate03/05/23 04:50 PM
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You’re going to get a plethora of advice here that amounts to a few things. 1) You are not that Alpha you say you are. Tighten your frame. 2) You presumed she wanted commitment and she didn’t. That’s on you completely. 3) Women cannot be trusted to know what they want or to act rationally. Use this as a learning opportunity. While I won’t say these points hold no truth, I wanted to offer you something else. 4) You may be an alpha and done everything mostly right and still failed because nothing …
/r/PurplePillDebate03/05/23 04:26 PM
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Could we write the second way without the statements about women? Must the point be made through comparison?
/r/PurplePillDebate03/05/23 04:02 PM
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I don’t think women pride themselves on being interesting anymore than men pride themselves on being logical or correct. People are annoying. And yeah, less attractive people tend to be more interesting. Men or women.
/r/PurplePillDebate02/05/23 03:28 PM
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Men also need to be entertained, it’s just easier to do and revolves around far fewer criteria.
/r/PurplePillDebate02/05/23 01:40 PM
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Yes, she can’t be empathetic because she has something you don’t, but that isn’t a socialized problem. Because of her position, she can at best be sympathetic. Which I think she’s trying to be.
/r/PurplePillDebate02/05/23 01:38 PM
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Most HV women have no interest in vulgar, disrespectful men because there are too many willing to be nice to her. But neither vulgarity nor benign kindness will get her attention. Why is this always the dichotomy we strike here - either be sickeningly sweet and appeasing, or be an asshole? There are other continuums of behavior that inform personality that are needed to attract women. Maybe men who max on individuality (which Ive always thought actually made more of a difference rather than kind…
/r/PurplePillDebate29/04/23 03:34 PM
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It’s more that most people are not compatible with each other. We all need to stop assuming men and women mostly suck and understand they only mostly suck to US.
/r/PurplePillDebate29/04/23 03:19 PM
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Am a black woman, cannot confirm this. But I may be an outlier.
/r/PurplePillDebate28/04/23 09:41 PM
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Idk about women being dually primitive, the first step of innovation is talking to people about it. But its just a bit sad to me. Sad and strange. But to each their own.
/r/PurplePillDebate28/04/23 09:29 PM
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So if women didn’t exist, men would happily live in separate caves with no technology? Society would have never existed? Men wouldn’t even be friends with each other?
/r/PurplePillDebate28/04/23 08:13 PM
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Despite its tone, I can’t say I disagree with this, though the single with casual screwing phases do include average men. Those are the people she’s vetting for the LTR.
/r/PurplePillDebate28/04/23 08:02 PM
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Perhaps because the ‘harem’ scenario doesn’t exist at all, it’s an incorrect term to describe people dating broadly and casually. It’s just beneficial to their argument at certain times to assume a man dating liberally accesses women who are committed, or women can’t be trusted because they always have options. Essentially whatever scenario will give men the most empathetic, but impressive agency. And women the most nefarious agency.
/r/PurplePillDebate28/04/23 07:57 PM
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Ok, given the two options of women you listed, what would be a type of woman you find acceptable? Especially if girl #2’s willingness to consider dating is still not helpful. What do you think would be helpful if women exploring and women not exploring are both not good?
/r/PurplePillDebate28/04/23 07:50 PM
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Oof so true. Imagine the vitriol on subs like this, about how women still found a way to ‘emasculate’ these men by making money off their desire. The surplus of men buying just to burn or deface them, the constant posting. Nike socks and Bud Light will look like a carnival in comparison. Itd be equally hilarious and terrifying.
/r/PurplePillDebate28/04/23 07:06 PM
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I mean sure, screw women, but why don’t you just work for other men? This isn’t a ‘men don’t need frilly stuff like decorative pillows’ argument, it’s a ‘men don’t need paved roads, running water, or education’ argument.
/r/PurplePillDebate28/04/23 06:53 PM
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Exactly, exactly. I really appreciate your perspective and I’m happy you’ve grown to see the beauty and pleasantness in yourself and frame. I hope things continue to improve for you, truly. You’re so right, this is a place people come to when they’re sad and alone. They want answers because the ones they’ve gotten before don’t speak to their lived experiences. I get that so deeply, but I don’t think many can see that because of my sex. I hope comments like yours can really cut through the fat an…
/r/PurplePillDebate27/04/23 05:44 PM
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It both was and wasn’t a micro aggression. The new diss for a woman who can articulate herself is calling her ‘strong and independent’. They keep the anti-blackness pretty silent here outside of purge week.
/r/PurplePillDebate27/04/23 05:17 PM
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Goodness, men are obsessed with calling people they don’t agree with liars. I expect your flair is definitely bringing out their worst, but they should be able to take what they dish out. Kudos.
/r/PurplePillDebate27/04/23 05:13 PM
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It has, goodness this is a great comment. My own posts have proven exactly what you’re worried about.
/r/PurplePillDebate27/04/23 05:02 PM
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This is such a hilarious comment man. From beginning to end, a mutiny of awareness. Goodness, never change PPD.
/r/PurplePillDebate27/04/23 03:51 PM
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I think she quite literally described the exact opposite though.
/r/PurplePillDebate27/04/23 03:18 PM
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The barometer for male attractiveness in a man’s eye is the capacity for casual sex. The barometer for male attractiveness in a woman’s eye is the capacity to reject casual sex and personal independence. It would be so helpful for this sub for men to start trying to think like women, and women to start trying to think like men.
/r/PurplePillDebate27/04/23 03:13 PM
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Women rarely compare singular actions of current lovers to prior ones indiscriminately. They only begin to compare when the overall level of content drops. So if a woman dated a guy who took her out every week, but is with a man who takes her out every other week, she probably won’t care. But she may start if other things compound to make her feel less secure. If a man can make a woman feel safe, content, and wanted, there will be no thoughts in her head of anything before him.
/r/PurplePillDebate27/04/23 03:08 PM
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To these men, the compromise is being in a monogamous relationship at all. Imaging an abundance of sexual options they probably never had, a man assumes he’s done his diligence to sexual compromise by allowing his woman to think he is only hers. Whether or not he actually is is another degree of compromise that is even harder for them to consider.
/r/PurplePillDebate27/04/23 02:59 PM
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Where you getting far less from? Far less in your experience sleeping with and dating men? Because I can tell you I can think of way more situations of men doing these types of things than women. From my own experiences, speaking to my female friends, and from the internet. But I understand that my view is limited to the people I am watching (men), so I’m willing to consider this to be a mutual human experience. As a man, I am asking you to do the same. Consider the view that you don’t engage in…
/r/PurplePillDebate25/04/23 10:21 PM
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Dude, I’m not the one making the claim only one group of people have the capacity to gaslight. It’s more abnormal for you to insist men have no culture of pushing off blame. You’re doing that right now. Men tell women they had to cheat because they’re horny, stressed, or unsatisfied. They’ll tell their partners they pushed them to do it because she gained weight, had kids, or spends less time with him. They’ll say they couldn’t help it because men are naturally promiscuous, that he’s compromisin…
/r/PurplePillDebate25/04/23 06:59 PM
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No. Clearly the women and their friend groups who encourage them are not your cup of tea. They are a minority, just like the men who encourage men to cheat and lie. Women who do what you described are quickly labeled as LV, so what you’re complaining about is already being corrected for. If you want women to come out of the woodwork to demonize them, that’s not what people do. Thus why men feel no need to take ownership of men who do crazy things either.
/r/PurplePillDebate25/04/23 06:52 PM
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A large reason why women avoid visceral, personal criticism is because the objects of their behavior don’t modify their response to them. At the end of the day, the women who do this don’t care because they know dudes will still hit. Please stop hitting, make them earn your attention.
/r/PurplePillDebate25/04/23 06:28 PM
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How do you know this? Do you date men? If you do, I respectfully disagree with your position, but as a person who dates men, emotional and sexual manipulation is the standard. And women do it too, thus why people things.
/r/PurplePillDebate25/04/23 06:20 PM
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Sure, there are uniquely feminine assholish behaviors, but this isn’t one of them. And performance and empowerment are not the same thing. I don’t understand how a woman being promiscuous means anyone is calling her empowered. She’s just doing what she wants and no one is stopping her.
/r/PurplePillDebate25/04/23 06:17 PM
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That’s not what they are saying at all. Clearly there are two scumbags, what’s curious is why OP is more concerned about a woman he isn’t with anymore vs his current friend. There’s only one betrayal in that scenario really, and it’s not the woman.
/r/PurplePillDebate25/04/23 06:14 PM
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Understandable, but there are a ton of personal hobbies that exist and are still hobbies. What you’re referring to are interpersonal activities. Which encompass a ton of hobbies, but not all of them.
/r/PurplePillDebate23/04/23 02:36 PM
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But that’s quite literally all a hobby needs to be, an enjoyable time pisser. Hobbies by definition do not require improvement or investment. I personally think the best hobbies are individually reinforcing, but they don’t have to be.
/r/PurplePillDebate23/04/23 02:33 PM
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Depends on the quality of sex you’re having, what stage of life you’ve met her, and her own interpretation of her worth and goals. Congrats on being convincing enough to warrant commitment, unless you aren’t a relationship minded guy.
/r/PurplePillDebate23/04/23 02:30 PM
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Super true. It’s less to do with them being unattractive and more about them being socially apprehensive.
/r/PurplePillDebate23/04/23 01:12 AM
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Yeah, that nugget of ‘truth’ is one of the strangest and most unexpected I’ve come across here. It’s almost certainly a load of hooey coming from men trying to project their depression on others, but still. Finding out a man only tries in life to get laid has to be the biggest turn off I’ve ever heard.
/r/PurplePillDebate23/04/23 01:06 AM
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Agreed on your last point, but I’m not following your modification of my analogy.
/r/PurplePillDebate23/04/23 12:44 AM
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The problem with using the word harem is that it suggests that the women within it 1) Know they are not being seen exclusively 2) Are exclusively seeing the man, and 3) Have reduced access to leaving the situation (ie its use in describing prostitution, polygamy or religious marriage). If a woman is in a FWB relationship, only 1 is really true. If she doesn’t believe herself to be in one, she would consider his multiple partners as adulterous. Of course women who aren’t dating a man exclusively …
/r/PurplePillDebate23/04/23 12:38 AM
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If they didn’t attract her sexual attention, they weren’t attractive. Decent doesn’t matter. Who cares if your mechanic has a beautiful voice if they can’t fix your car?
/r/PurplePillDebate23/04/23 12:29 AM
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That’s how anything is learned though. That, and listening to others advice on the subject.
/r/PurplePillDebate23/04/23 12:26 AM
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Watching TV, going on tiktok, and going to bars are all hobbies. Any leisure activity is a hobby if it’s done regularly.
/r/PurplePillDebate23/04/23 12:24 AM
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Also motivates the idea that there are methods that can secure you any possible date. Most hunters presume most game can be caught. Like there’s some Konami Code that can get you access to any woman you want. A perfect trap.
/r/PurplePillDebate23/04/23 12:14 AM
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It’s not semantics, its context. It’s not helpful for men to internalize that women don’t want relationships. More helpful to say they only want good ones. It would be like saying I don’t like food, when I really just prefer food that won’t make me sick.
/r/PurplePillDebate23/04/23 12:08 AM
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A man’s SMV/RMV only increases if he has the capacity for self improvement. It’s strange to me that men just assume they will all be richer or learn how to engage in self control. Most people peak pretty soon into their 20s and stagnate or decline. Especially when you learn how many men apparently only try for women’s attention, and the amount that are disillusioned from dating, the rate of average male SMV increase from 18 - 35 will be declining over the next few decades. It only improves if he…
/r/PurplePillDebate22/04/23 11:31 PM
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Women definitely do pump/dump men, with women willing to consider a FWB relationship being more likely to do so. Certain women definitely keep men around just to eat her out and go. And I don’t think it’s super rare, especially if she’s attractive.
/r/PurplePillDebate22/04/23 11:19 PM
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Oh! Hahaha, apologies! Deadass can’t tell whats real and what’s satire here
/r/PurplePillDebate21/04/23 08:50 PM
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Is there a timeframe for the sex, like it happens too quickly? Would you prefer she didn’t sleep with you at all?
/r/PurplePillDebate21/04/23 08:46 PM
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What do they do? Honestly curious.
/r/PurplePillDebate21/04/23 08:43 PM
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Both men and women are asked to essentially cosplay as their grandparents in order to get laid. Difference is women get that training from birth, men are given more leeway to mold themselves individually before they are allowed to become attractive. And it’s not really about being someone you aren’t - that’s taking it too far and will probably hurt men more than help. It’s about stats maxing your given qualities. Optimizing the inherent parts of you, which most people find to be a positive endea…
/r/PurplePillDebate21/04/23 03:44 PM
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Goodness, it’s not about fairness, it’s being the logically consistent operators that men with these opinions claim to be. If I understand that men care absolutely about my looks and youth, but also are deeply upset that a woman may want him for his ability to please her, I also understand that men are not removed from emotional moralizing. May just be me, but it’s irritating.
/r/PurplePillDebate19/04/23 05:47 PM
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I believe most people cannot live with the adjunct realism you suggest, seen through the abundance of BP/RP/PP people who cannot rationalize a relationship because they have to ‘trade’ affection to secure one. It does also dissuade people from dating at all because the intricacies of companionship, courting, and trust have been reduced to net worth and beta bux. Most things on this sub aren’t untrue per say, but a very reductionist interpretation of complex behavior.
/r/PurplePillDebate19/04/23 05:40 PM
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No, he said that looks aren’t the only role. Everyone feasts visually first. The deciding factor simply includes looks. No one said its not important, it’s just weighed and considered like everything else.
/r/PurplePillDebate18/04/23 04:43 PM
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Yeah exactly. It has to be universal, ubiquitous, and immediately upon birth to work. Anything else and it would be a social disaster, people don’t have the sanity to not make it a sticking point.
/r/PurplePillDebate18/04/23 03:59 PM
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The problem is whose determining he’s a 6? Probably himself or other men. It doesn’t work like that.
/r/PurplePillDebate18/04/23 03:06 PM
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Some women suck. Sometimes people make mistakes. Sometimes people have low self esteem. Men often lie to their partners. Male courting behavior is based on initial performance. Makes it harder to pick. I will never understand this adamant disdain for women’s choice just because you know some woman who dated a jerk. I know a ton of men who’ve dated idiots, but that doesn’t mean I think men can’t choose.
/r/PurplePillDebate18/04/23 02:58 PM
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Live, walk, and posture yourself like you think that way. Vocalization will get you called out. Think about how annoyed you get when a woman calls herself a queen and boss babe. It’s just cringe.
/r/PurplePillDebate18/04/23 02:30 PM
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I always thought league vocabulary was more popular with men anyway. I don’t hear women coming from that perspective as much, more of a subjective ‘hot or not’
/r/PurplePillDebate18/04/23 02:28 PM
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Yep. For some reason, men think they are accurate raters of both male and female attractiveness. Doesn’t matter how much I disagree, I know sveltness is more attractive than being large as a woman. And men would be very happy to tell me this.
/r/PurplePillDebate18/04/23 02:25 PM
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Something something only chads something something most men just want snuggles and sunshine
/r/PurplePillDebate17/04/23 02:54 PM
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Well if I asked him why that was and he gave me a reason that made sense ( he learned he had a boundary that he needed to honor/ learned how to honor known boundaries/context for how the ex perceived things differently than I/ grew up), I don’t think I’d care. Reductive shifts in chivalry (opening doors for her but not me), attention (spent more time with her than I), sexual occurrence and duration (more with her, less with me) would cause me to question his inherent desire for me. I would vocal…
/r/PurplePillDebate16/04/23 12:49 AM
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I read your replies to some below and can recognize that you are a measured and articulate person. What I want to know is how can I be there for people who so viscerally reject my help? I always get to this wall where what I suggest isn’t a good enough solution for these men because it isn’t exactly what they want. My allyship is not useful because it does not guarantee more sex. It’s not just quotas, it’s satiating physical and emotional desire that they want to be articulated in a very specifi…
/r/PurplePillDebate16/04/23 12:41 AM
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I just don’t think most women would care. And if they do and you don’t like it, don’t date them. I can’t tell you that women are perfect moral actors. But there is a sizable population that wouldn’t care. I get the sense that you want to equate some women not working exactly as you like to women enmass being angry perfectionists. Like I know I probably wont want to date the majority of men I meet, but that doesn’t equate to dating fatalism to me. I just know that’s an impossible assumption to ma…
/r/PurplePillDebate15/04/23 11:04 PM
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Not learn, only do so to get laid. People are transitive, they change and grow. I would argue those that must learn to thrive are more legitimate because they put effort to get to that state. Most women would date a guy whose lost weight, but they would break up with him if he gained it back and said he only prioritized his health to get her. Everyone expects slight behavioral modifications in courting. And personal improvement is the spice of life. And the looksmaxing part of RP is the least co…
/r/PurplePillDebate15/04/23 05:25 PM
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You shouldn’t confuse self improvement for being a kiss ass. Everyone has hurdles to overcome, leveling up is a natural and expected process in life. I was talking about pretending to have hobbies that you don’t have, dressing in a style you don’t like, or just straight up lying. If you like to game, eat junk food, and vibe, thats fine. I just expect you to know when to do that and when not to, for your own productivity.
/r/PurplePillDebate15/04/23 05:03 PM
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Women tell men to work on themselves because those women appreciate independently realized men. The things I do, I do because I enjoy them and they make me happy. I don’t do them to make myself more attractive to men. If I got no attention from men, I’d be sad, but continue to do the things I like because why not? I didn’t realize how much men are willing to mold their looks, activities and habits to attract women. This backfires imo because after you’ve gotten her, you’ll stop doing all the stu…
/r/PurplePillDebate15/04/23 03:38 PM
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This is a post about OP being annoyed about others using a benign term to accurately describe their behavior. Just because you don’t like the word moist doesn’t make water any drier.
/r/PurplePillDebate15/04/23 03:28 PM
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In an attempt to depedestal women, this sub has thrown them in the trash. The ‘women are wonderful’ effect is an oft criticized position here, but there appears much bitterness in realizing that women can suck pretty hard. Like yes, women are mid too, but that midness cannot be interpreted as normalizing but as an inherent flaw. Less ‘women are wonderful’, more ‘women ought to be wonderful’
/r/PurplePillDebate15/04/23 12:51 PM
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Yep, the resounding position on here seems to be that all men are actually the same, they’re just too scared or too dedicated to the game to say it. Women will pitch the exact opposite, that we have no definable trends and can’t be interpreted in-mass. Both are incredibly untrue.
/r/PurplePillDebate15/04/23 12:45 PM
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Yep, same. Came here because I wanted to be a better male advocate. I do think it’s made me a better one, but also realized that the majority of men who want it may not deserve my effort.
/r/PurplePillDebate15/04/23 12:41 PM
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Your interpretation that men see things through physicality and logic and women see things through emotion and social cohesion is definitely a big reason why subs like this are functionally useless. Coming to PPD made me realize just how emotional, socially desperate, and reckless men can be BECAUSE they think they aren’t/ can’t be any of those things. And it has provided me a list of behaviors I need to engage in as a woman to mitigate my physical and emotional leverage over men and their desir…
/r/PurplePillDebate15/04/23 12:39 PM
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It’s interesting how some people (specifically those who frequent PPD or engage in similar spheres) have a strong aversion to using certain words to describe their perfectly applicable situation. Its not insecurity, its fear of comparison. It’s not low self esteem, it’s recognizing one’s ‘inherent’ worth. It’s not feeling embarrassed or being mistreated, its emasculation. It’s not obsession, it’s wanting something badly enough to the point of compulsive thinking because you can’t have it.
/r/PurplePillDebate15/04/23 12:31 PM
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Highkey always thought this was true. Of course women wanted more autonomy, but it wasn’t not working and being at home that made them revolt. It was the lack of respect for their labor, infantilization of femininity, and the erosion of male accountability that did it. We wanted respect put on our name.
/r/PurplePillDebate11/04/23 05:28 PM
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Women are are also more likely to question how universal their taste is, so may find fundamental issues with suggesting specific changes based off their preferences. Despite the fact that those changes could be broadly appreciated.
/r/PurplePillDebate10/04/23 09:49 PM
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^ And don’t realize the game of ‘tell me what to do so I can be that guy’ is a losing strategy. Women hate that, men begin to resent the performance, and start to believe women suck because they want him to be something he’s not.
/r/PurplePillDebate10/04/23 09:36 PM
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It’s a two way street. The question asker should be articulate enough to specify their intended purpose. And the question answerer should be indued by the questioning enough to answer honestly. OP does have a point - men will ask about getting general women’s attention when they are usually specifically talking about low-cost sex. The approach for universal appeal is really only possible if you specify sex. And women should be more assertive, specific and vocal in what they want. They tend not t…
/r/PurplePillDebate10/04/23 09:22 PM
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I do agree that their are feminist grifters, but they are a minority and appeared at the later stages of the movement. It’s sad to me that men can identify problems amongst themselves, but will only move upon them to make money. Specifically to the detriment of the cause.
/r/PurplePillDebate10/04/23 08:49 PM
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Oof, you’re hitting with some HEAT OP.
/r/PurplePillDebate10/04/23 08:18 PM
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Your aversion to career-minded women may put you in the company of only money-dependent women. Hyperfeminism begets women who will ask you to care for them no matter how much money they have, its part of the position.
/r/PurplePillDebate10/04/23 08:12 PM
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I presume you conduct the action of pursuit based off of what attracts you the most, then on what you can get. I haven’t heard a man state he’s attracted to youth, then not pursue that.
/r/PurplePillDebate10/04/23 08:09 PM
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What if you meet her when she’s in the building stage of her career? Like she’s still in her 20s? Men seem to assume their attractiveness increases over time because they only reap the economic benefits of their labor in their 30s. So is she still a boss babe then? Don’t men still date when they’re building their careers?
/r/PurplePillDebate10/04/23 08:02 PM
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Yes, but the expectation is that women will work to mitigate all emotional, time, and personality disparities generated by their career-minded partners. Thus why men aim for hyperfeminine and unambitious women who are willing to forfeit their careers.
/r/PurplePillDebate10/04/23 07:56 PM
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Let’s rephrase then. If you are a strategic thinker, why would you prioritize a partner that you know will be perpetually dependent on you? Or - Is it logical to be attracted to someone who inherently destabilizes your potential as you will need to generate income/support for you and them? Or even - Why is/how could financial dependency be attractive in a world of rising economic costs?
/r/PurplePillDebate10/04/23 07:48 PM
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If your aim is random sex, two approaches: If incredibly anxious - 1) Be inherently attractive to her. You don’t know if you are until you do the other steps and she’s willing to engage in conversation with you. 2) Present and move with an air of confidence. Your anxiety will make her anxious. Being anxious or unconfident in a rogue approach is a signal to a woman that you are unattractive or dangerous. 3) Make eye contact with her and smile. Attempt this at least twice over a short period to en…
/r/PurplePillDebate04/04/23 09:04 PM
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Again, the body positivity movement is not about external validation. It was a call for bigger women to interpret personal value beyond the sexual reinforcement of other people. Its not delusion, it’s understanding that health (which can manifest negatively in a variety of ways) is not a legitimate measure to assume overall worth. Thus why it started amongst people with debilitating disabilities and physical deformities. Centering yourself in how other people see you only gets you so far. I will…
/r/PurplePillDebate04/04/23 04:11 PM
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Thank you! It’s one thing to recognize your unattractiveness and learning to love yourself and achieve worth regardless. It’s another thing to demand other’s standards change to MAKE you attractive, so that you don’t have to try to be attractive at all. Everyone has the responsibility of being compelling to the people they want to attract, if you can’t measure up, you change YOUR standards or settle. No one is saying unattractive men don’t deserve love, maybe just not with the women they want be…
/r/PurplePillDebate04/04/23 03:39 PM
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They’re saying the quiet part out loud rn.
/r/PurplePillDebate04/04/23 03:31 PM
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There’s no fault really, it’s just an unfair game. Genuinely, why do you think things would be better if women had sex with men they aren’t attracted to?
/r/PurplePillDebate02/04/23 11:02 PM
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This is an incredibly correct, but horribly unpopular take.
/r/PurplePillDebate02/04/23 11:00 PM
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Sounds like two people of equivalent attractiveness found each other.
/r/PurplePillDebate02/04/23 10:58 PM
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Men are poor predictors of how other men treat their partners in relationships. As are women with other women. Dating behavior demands selfishness that hurts all parties.
/r/PurplePillDebate02/04/23 10:47 PM
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It’s not the ‘just sex’ alone. Its the behaviors, attitudes, and beliefs that surround the majority of men who have a ‘just sex’ mentality that women don’t trust. Tends not to end too well for us.
/r/PurplePillDebate02/04/23 10:42 PM
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Good on you for standing firm. Don’t know why so many people want to fight you on this. You can be into casual sex and have sexual discretion at the same time. You’d be down, but won’t just take anything that passes you. Most women I know are like this when single.
/r/PurplePillDebate02/04/23 10:23 PM
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I don’t think so. I think men’s decorum generally decreases in behaviors that involve sex and women. The reason why most other men don’t see it, yet so many women experience the same things, is because these men tend to compartmentalize their aggression to sexual scenarios. They don’t lie, cheat, berate, or stalk anything or anyone other than women they want to date. Because male dating strategy, blue pill or red pill, overwhelmingly encourages that behavior. Men will treat their dates worse tha…
/r/PurplePillDebate02/04/23 10:03 PM
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I think there are far more examples of peak male attractiveness than men give credit for. Frankly the male-centric focus of our society fails to reflect them.
/r/PurplePillDebate01/04/23 07:44 AM
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God this is distasteful.
/r/PurplePillDebate01/04/23 07:27 AM
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I think we have much closer definitions of attractiveness than you’d think, given your appeal to historical relativism and instinct. But to say women haven’t had much chance to communicate what is attractive to them is sound. Thank you.
/r/PurplePillDebate01/04/23 01:34 AM
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Did you edit your comment? All I saw was the first two paragraphs, sorry.
/r/PurplePillDebate01/04/23 12:01 AM
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Mm! I see your point now. I do see men claiming those things should make him attractive, but its more a comparison of outcomes. It tells us how fleeting companionship is or that he is missing something in his view of himself.
/r/PurplePillDebate31/03/23 11:53 PM
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Sure thing. I edited the post.
/r/PurplePillDebate31/03/23 11:47 PM
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This is very helpful thank you. You addressed it well! For men, there’s a near 1:1 correlation between beauty and attractiveness. For women, the ratio could be anything. It’s a harder game, no doubt. It’s like being a door to door salesman. The product isn’t nearly as important as the technique of sale.
/r/PurplePillDebate31/03/23 11:41 PM
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My post is asking for how heterosexual men and women view their intended audiences’ metrics of attractiveness. Attractiveness being how well you can gain the view of your intended audience, not a person’s relative beauty. The questions I posed to you were just thoughts. As a heterosexual woman, I don’t think I would be a better judge of what a gay man finds attractive in other gay men, because gay men are not trying to attract my view. My perspective isn’t advantageous here, thats what I was try…
/r/PurplePillDebate31/03/23 11:32 PM
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That’s fair, specific individuals with delusional interpretations of themselves lack credibility. I don’t understand how a woman who gets some attention and sex is more deluded than a single man stating he deserves a high value woman because he’s rich and successful. She’s confused, but it’s understandable considering she does have something to hang her hat on. He has nothing. Relative to the data they have, why should a man that is by definition unattractive not believe himself to be so if he h…
/r/PurplePillDebate31/03/23 11:21 PM
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There is a distinction between beauty and attractiveness. Beauty is the objective (mostly physical) position of someone’s form. Attractiveness is one’s ability to gain the attention of their intended audience. I think men and women are on average mostly equally ugly/pretty. But women are far more attractive because they earnestly consider what their audience wants. Heterosexual men are the least attractive out of all people because they put the least amount of effort into doing this. Because the…
/r/PurplePillDebate31/03/23 11:09 PM
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No, no. That wasn’t the statement I was trying to make. I should have been more specific to clarify a heterosexual woman/men’s view of each other. But this is an interesting point. In my mind, there is a distinction between ugliness and attractiveness. What is attractive to a heterosexual woman is different than what is attractive to a homosexual man, I would assume in some categories. If they are both viewing men. So I could believe bi/homosexual men are better judges of a man’s ugliness, but n…
/r/PurplePillDebate31/03/23 11:03 PM
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Value is in reference to attractiveness here. My questions refer to the dissociation between how unattractive a man is perceived to be, and his interpretation of his sexual value. It’s very common for unattractive men to attack the credibility of a woman’s metrics, rather than to understand the metrics women use for measurement. Not how well men take rejection. If this is your approach to rejection, it’s quite a bit healthier than what is demonstrated in this sub.
/r/PurplePillDebate31/03/23 10:57 PM
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Why? Nature of the assignment, why would a heterosexual man care about anyone else’s opinion of his looks but women?
/r/PurplePillDebate31/03/23 10:31 PM
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Tells who? Men or women?
/r/PurplePillDebate31/03/23 10:29 PM
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Very fair. Thank you!
/r/PurplePillDebate31/03/23 10:28 PM
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What does this mean in the context of the questions?
/r/PurplePillDebate31/03/23 10:28 PM
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I have never got the the impression that female attraction is anymore trend specific than men. And the population of fit men doesn’t seem to change how a woman feels about any specific man. What gives you this impression? The population of attractive partners increasing isn’t synonymous to a shift in baseline attraction.
/r/PurplePillDebate31/03/23 10:27 PM
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I’m not a man. It’s interesting to interpret your answer under the assumption that I am one though. I completely agree with you, I’m just curious of why men have a harder grasping the things women like vs not. Even within male taste, there are variations of what physical is and the type of physicality. Men are not as easy a sell as they think they are, you all still have taste and need certain things. Even if women go for vibe, why isn’t vibe appreciated as a concretely important thing to grab w…
/r/PurplePillDebate31/03/23 09:56 PM
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I don’t disagree. That position just doesn’t seem to be popular.
/r/PurplePillDebate31/03/23 09:50 PM
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That is a testament to the fact there is no guaranteed formula for companionship. Not every supermodel dies a wife either.
/r/PurplePillDebate31/03/23 08:59 PM
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I cannot tell you the amount of times men have confirmed such points. In this sub, a man is more apt to tell you how close men are to rape than any method to manage mental health or self soothe.
/r/PurplePillDebate31/03/23 08:51 PM
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Women may have a slightly higher threshold for looks, but it’s the only threshold for men. And that threshold is for the unsustainable activity of causal sex. Which the majority of people do not value highly in the long term.
/r/PurplePillDebate31/03/23 08:49 PM
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It’s not about engaging in any particular behavior to get a girl. It’s about drastically changing your behavior to court, then shifting back to baseline when you think you have her. There are women who love doing all the things you think only men like to do. There are ton of ladies who don’t go out, don’t want to be seen, etc. If you courted her with that behavior, then she likes that behavior. What I’m realizing is that men include too much performance in their courting behavior. You all do thi…
/r/PurplePillDebate30/03/23 10:10 PM
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A part of the problem may be that most people don’t derive pleasure from pleasing the people they want to court. Which I believe is a direct indication that you shouldn’t court that person. I get an abundance of pleasure from making my man happy. Not because I think it’ll earn me something, but because I like him, want to make him happy, and crave his happiness. And he feels the same for me - the kind things he does are not simply to ensure sex but because it is pleasurable for him to see me con…
/r/PurplePillDebate30/03/23 10:02 PM
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Change out fat/weight/diet with intimacy/affection/courtship and that is exactly how women feel about men who stop trying. Exactly. It doesn’t take that much to tell her she looks nice, or to buy her flowers. But laziness accumulates over time.
/r/PurplePillDebate30/03/23 09:51 PM
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They get defensive about any position that doesn’t agree with their worldview. It’s a published paper with stats in it, they should eat this one up
/r/PurplePillDebate30/03/23 08:45 PM
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I totally agree. Very few people fight from the text, but their interpretation of it.
/r/PurplePillDebate30/03/23 05:03 PM
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Yes, but does that make her fitness more legitimate than his? If a man and a woman both do 20 pullups, would the rest of the gym belittle the man for doing something that comes ‘so easily’ to him? Or would they consider how hard it is for anyone to do 20 pullups?
/r/PurplePillDebate30/03/23 05:02 PM
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You’re right. But what TRP literally says vs doesn’t is rarely a serious consideration here.
/r/PurplePillDebate30/03/23 03:47 PM
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We aren’t grasping each other. Women do not respect the same things men do. We don’t care how you and your buddies feel about having sex. And you don’t have to care about how we feel about your priorities - but most TRP’ers do because they aren’t getting what they want. Your metric of easy is not universal. If ease => lower respect, why should I care if a man goes to the gym? It’s easier for men to gain muscle. You have less social barriers to exercise. If one isn’t getting what they want from t…
/r/PurplePillDebate30/03/23 03:45 PM
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Very true. Thus why it’s usually helpful for any human to have some sexual history before settling down.
/r/PurplePillDebate30/03/23 03:37 PM
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Great post OP. Men also confuse women’s indifference for a man’s high body count as us PREFERRING that high body count. Not true. We just don’t care and/or can accept a person’s changing temperament as they age. This seems to be a very rare occurrence in TRP. We ask you to be as understanding and indifferent as we are because we cannot understand how someone would be worth less for enjoying their life. You specifically going out of your way to have meaningless sex is the opposite of impressive t…
/r/PurplePillDebate30/03/23 03:37 PM
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The red pill - based on its structural tenants and interpretations pre-2012 - could be seen as a useful paradigm for PEOPLE (not just men) to understand dating dynamics. The problem with it is that it’s modern iteration has strayed far from its original form, and morphed into a money making, misogynist/misandrist/misanthropic machine. It also prioritizes casual connections with women men don’t want, as a means to optimize its money making potential.
/r/PurplePillDebate30/03/23 02:59 PM
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It’s not Americanism, these guys responding are just assholes or have no self esteem. I have no idea how anyone could rationalize direct insults on a date as normal or compatible. This is the reality of lowering your standards. For most women, that directly means taking verbal accosting for no reason. Take your break and heal sis.
/r/PurplePillDebate28/03/23 11:25 PM
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This is not the right audience to answer this question. If OP runs in academia circles, her education will be much more compelling than if she didn’t. Also depends on the type of man she hopes to attract.
/r/PurplePillDebate28/03/23 11:17 PM
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For the last time, no. Some women, yes. For sex only? Maybe, for again some women. For women a PPD man would enjoy, value, and see long term? No, very likely not.
/r/PurplePillDebate28/03/23 11:03 PM
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What if a woman wants to have sex before marriage because she likes sex? It’s funny how, so coincidentally, the only indication of serious intent you’ll recognize directly benefits your interests.
/r/PurplePillDebate27/03/23 03:03 PM
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That’s true only for men. Women are expected to care alot about it, generating enough anxiety to suppress their engagement. And amplify their response to make their mates feel as special and courageous as humanly possible. She must care about her own intensely, and his not at all.
/r/PurplePillDebate27/03/23 03:45 AM
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Like this, and very true. Women should be more promiscuous and men should be better at valuing this promiscuity.
/r/PurplePillDebate27/03/23 03:35 AM
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The only way we culturally value in women more than in men is their bodies. And not the utility of that body (disregarding childbirth), it’s visual appeal. Men desire women more enmass almost completely due to physical attraction. Women don’t value this type of praise. If you took away a person’s perceived access to a woman’s body, she would never be valued more than a man. Equally at best.
/r/PurplePillDebate27/03/23 03:33 AM
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I’m really sorry this happened to you. A big problem with human psychology is that we feel almost no requirement to hold each other accountable for anything. This is a human issue that we should all be trying to address in our respective circles.
/r/PurplePillDebate27/03/23 03:22 AM
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I’m not talking about before or after these wars. I’m talking about during. Those 5-8 year stretches of men being away required women to pool into the labor forces that were decimated by male enlistment. Increased labor exploitation is also subtlety increased by the increase in population after the wars. Especially considering how women took up the lowest paying subsections of the economic force, I still question this mindset. I don’t think female employment before the 80s. But thank you for the…
/r/PurplePillDebate26/03/23 07:31 PM
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I’m not saying you did, sorry to suggest that. I just think the discussions around female employment subtly suggest women wanted the desire to work from nothing, and that their addition to the work force was mostly unproductive. All of the countries you list do not have a the capitalistic, individualistic culture that makes changes to the working force so extreme. Western women began to work outside the home because there were few men left. They found benefits in their employable labor and didn’…
/r/PurplePillDebate26/03/23 06:13 PM
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What really motivated it was the great economic hole created by men going off to war in the 20th century. I’m not saying that women didn’t push this forward, but the countless conflicts motivated by globalization and upheaval motivated women to take their place in the workforce. Lets stop putting this mostly at the feet of feminism. Its a product of continuous western war.
/r/PurplePillDebate26/03/23 05:42 PM
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I completely agree with your assessment of male vs female modes of attraction. They are good looking, but honestly who cares? Will they be able to hold a conversation? Do they smell good? What hobbies can we share other than the generic ones they listed? I personally prefer a smiley, well dressed, energetic man who lives earnestly by his own standard. Of course physicality is important, but a man with good banter and a warm spirit will win me over far more than a proportion face or 15% body fat.
/r/PurplePillDebate25/03/23 06:57 PM
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Nope. I can’t change the subset of women you perceive the most, but I do know there are a plethora of women you would happily take who don’t do this.
/r/PurplePillDebate24/03/23 09:08 PM
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I agree with this, but maybe the problem arrises because the definition of ‘thirst trap’ is dependent on male thirst, which has seemingly no limit. The argument could be made that any image has the capacity to capture the male gaze, simply defining ‘thirst trap’ as such makes any display suspect. That’s why these things get women annoyed - There’s a high possibility that this rule can be abused, with it increasing with the rate of a given man’s anxiety. Of course women who only post half naked n…
/r/PurplePillDebate24/03/23 08:47 PM
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Yes and those are the only subsets of women who don’t post risky pics perpetually…
/r/PurplePillDebate24/03/23 08:40 PM
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This comes from a place of prioritizing physical attraction over anything else. Out of all the possible human characteristics, you’ve selected the body. How this is more genuine than any other - especially as it is the thing that arguably can change the most - I don’t really understand. Your interpretation of women’s baseline desire for men is curious. I think you reflect the major attraction of a small subset of women, and presume it is the solitary one. The status a man can bring a woman is si…
/r/PurplePillDebate24/03/23 08:36 PM
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Never said it was any type of conservative. People have ONS stands for a plethora of reasons, but it’s often assumed that a woman would engage in them because she is either 1) Exploring her sexuality, 2) Unable to secure anything else, or 3) Highly promiscuous I used the word fantasy as the OP suggested a woman would do so to fulfill some fantasy; this would fall under umbrella number 1. Women also can choose to sleep with a man immediately into courtship because 1) She, like any man, wanted cau…
/r/PurplePillDebate23/03/23 01:07 AM
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It was an analogy. I named so many behaviors in my response and the vast majority of men do not get one option in life. Thats just ridiculous. In fact, prioritizing any of the things I listed could increase the number of chances they get.
/r/PurplePillDebate22/03/23 08:09 PM
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I genuinely don’t think this is a good place to figure out women, as there are very few of us willing to post regularly. Unfortunately I don’t have to many suggestions. But I really hope it works out for you! Women are definitely fickle, but not at all impossible. Looks matter but character sooo much more.
/r/PurplePillDebate22/03/23 07:18 PM
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I’m interpreting this to mean you wouldn’t have pursued a woman who told you outright that she had a ONS. So the mootness of the relationship is based also on the lying aspect. That’s fair. I do think it’s a bit wild to think ONS are fantasy-based exercises, but to each their own. Some ONS were never met to be that way at all.
/r/PurplePillDebate22/03/23 07:15 PM
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Thank you! Just trying to provoke the masses I love this place because I’ve learned so much, but hate it because 90% of the people here don’t realize why they can never leave it. Great post too! Maybe some people here will grow empathy 😊
/r/PurplePillDebate22/03/23 07:07 PM
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This is by far the most common reason why women go from sexually enthusiastic to sexually wary. But because men apparently don’t form social communities, cannot ever compromise on their sexual needs, live up to the morality they press on women, have no sense of biological agency, are totally and completely socially impressionable, and can never risk the confines of their perceived masculinity, it’s really a her issue
/r/PurplePillDebate22/03/23 06:55 PM
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Maybe waiting should not be interpreted as a display of purity, but a display of contemplation. If you waited, formed a relationship, stayed together, and married, then found out she once had a one night stand, the entire relationship would be moot to you? How is that a not ragingly emotional and illogical response?
/r/PurplePillDebate22/03/23 06:47 PM
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You need infinite options to be a decent person? Do you not work because you aren’t qualified for every profession?
/r/PurplePillDebate22/03/23 06:38 PM
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Thank you. Women can start to second guess the value of their purity because of the allegation that if she hasn’t had the chance of being perused, she must be ugly and low value. Who would want to save themselves if being able to do so will be interpreted as them being unwanted? There’s this highkey association of attractive with promiscuity, because if she’s actually attractive, why wouldn’t she be promiscuous? Or the assumption that a woman who is a volcel/incel is by definition LV even though…
/r/PurplePillDebate22/03/23 06:35 PM
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I would support that first paragraph if it didn’t imply that men are inherently amoral and weak. Its super common for men to say they can’t prioritize their mental health, seriously vet partners, not lie directly (or through omission) to get sex, or even ask other men to be less predatory BECAUSE thats all they’ve been taught and what’s reinforced. That’s what OP is saying, women get mixed signals too. Are women supposed to rise to the occasion but men not? These are the positions that make wome…
/r/PurplePillDebate22/03/23 06:23 PM
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That’s more in reference to a woman’s demeanor in public vs her mate. Not how liberally she sleeps with someone. If it referred to how often a woman had sex with men she met, she would be labeled a lying, shit-testing woman.
/r/PurplePillDebate22/03/23 06:17 PM
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I think answers from men would be incredibly helpful here. What do yall want us to do to make you feel courted and chosen? Perfect world, not what you think the socially common answer is.
/r/PurplePillDebate21/03/23 04:38 PM
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Far less diminished than a man who smells, is rude, cannot dress, or is incredibly awkward. And unfortunately that’s alot of guys Height IRL isn’t any more of a poison pill than any other vaguely unattractive trait. If we’re talking about dating, you are leaps and bounds above any giant if you are nice to be around or fun to talk to. You don’t need a 100 to pass the class. Hookups vary. That’s true.
/r/PurplePillDebate21/03/23 04:27 PM
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And it’s only applied in OLD. It’s impossible to not create some artificial cuts because of the abundance of choice. Every man would do better on this site if they were more willing to go in person. I don’t know you in 5 pictures, I have to parse through somehow. It exaggerates shallow choice because that’s really all you have.
/r/PurplePillDebate21/03/23 04:15 PM
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I think you misunderstand me. Most people have some barometer to tell who they want to flirt with vs not. I certainly don’t think I’m better than them, and male attention (sexual attention in general) is horrible thing to build your ego off of. What I mean is, a man in person will get my attention if I think he’s handsome, good natured, and pleasant. If he’s 5’5 or 6’5, I don’t care. If I like him, I like him. Because you get so little information about the people you swipe on on OLD, the ONLY t…
/r/PurplePillDebate21/03/23 04:09 PM
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I don’t think so. Never have and never would. Its a testament of how men shouldn’t be using it as their only dating method because it’s horrible for all of us.
/r/PurplePillDebate21/03/23 08:16 AM
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Not really. You just meet people in person, like most women do. It’s ok!
/r/PurplePillDebate21/03/23 08:14 AM
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One knock, amongst a list of 10+ knock-able traits. So few women I know would gate-keep their affection from a man they found kind, interesting, and handsome just because he’s 5’7. If she does, she’s shallow and playing herself. But people are allowed to make mistakes. No one is perfect in all categories. And any tall guy can tell you they still struggle.
/r/PurplePillDebate21/03/23 03:20 AM
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Yes. OLD is such a mixed bag, there’s really no correlation between attractiveness and treatment. PPD seems to think mid guys are nicer, but they’re really not - I cycle through phases of giving ok-looking, but seemingly well meaning guys a chance, but there’s no improvement in relative compatibility. At least with a man you are gutturally physically into, you have a pleasant view. I have and will always give a shorter guy a chance if I meet him in-person. I can see how he moves, his demeanor, h…
/r/PurplePillDebate21/03/23 03:14 AM
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It’s less about immutability and more about coping. Fat women find ways to make themselves attractive despite their limitations, short men should do the same. But all I’m seeing here is complaining. God forbid someone would have to put effort into being attractive. Very few men or women exist as inherently attractive beings, we all have our burden.
/r/PurplePillDebate21/03/23 02:30 AM
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They do teach responsibility - it’s just the object of that response has shifted from civilian to leader to leader to civilian. We need a mix of what we do now and what we did before. Teach people they have a responsibility to nurture their greater environment, but also that their environment has a responsibility to protect them. The social contract should be a two way street, it was previously only presented as one way.
/r/PurplePillDebate20/03/23 07:27 PM
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Men and women no longer owe anything to each other that is uniquely specific to either sex. Commitment, communication, intimacy (whether physical or not), etc are all sex non-specific. In the modern day though, when gender roles are fading, people have re-assigned what used to be requirements as markers of strong attraction. Thus, a man doesn’t need to pay for your dates, but if he does, you know you’re particularly special to him. A woman doesn’t need to cook for her mate, but if she does, you …
/r/PurplePillDebate20/03/23 07:20 PM
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Bingo! It’s unfortunate that men and women’s ultimate dating fantasies are fundamentally incongruent if you’re wrong about the person. A women subscribing to the incorrect man’s ultimate desires is incredibly open to being P&D’d, ending her fantasy. A man subscribing from to the incorrect woman’s ultimate desires is incredibly open to being used and dropped, ending his fantasy.
/r/PurplePillDebate20/03/23 06:51 PM
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But how can we talk about self control if men have no options? Men also have no self control, they’re just rarely tested.
/r/PurplePillDebate20/03/23 06:47 PM
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But you see, now you’ve just turned this to a game of insult. Which is the primary reason why people balk at preferences - no one cares until you frame it as a complementary or moral position.
/r/PurplePillDebate20/03/23 06:45 PM
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Very sympathetic to short men, but if fat women don’t deserve grace and understanding, neither do short men. Just take what you can get and move on.
/r/PurplePillDebate20/03/23 11:11 AM
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Their description of what is needed to maintain femininity is critically important. If you cannot support a woman, she cannot afford to be feminine. That would make her an unideal partner for you.
/r/PurplePillDebate19/03/23 05:24 AM
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You’re getting at the sauce. It’s very fashionable for some men to bring up their mental and social health struggles to either critique women or silence them. But if you actually approach these men and ask them to discuss these issues, its seen as an attack on their masculinity. Like you’re accusing them of being soft. Or if you suggest they focus on themselves and re-evaluate their opinions about themselves, they say such actions are inherently feminine and useless to them. Its the paradox of t…
/r/PurplePillDebate19/03/23 02:33 AM
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The men women are most willing to have sex with are quite close to the men they are willing to date. As in, a girl could sleep with a 6, and dates a 5-7. The women most men are willing to have sex with can be wildly different from the women are willing to date. As in, a man could sleep with a 2, but dates a 5-7. Doesn’t apply for everyone, but tends to be the truth.
/r/PurplePillDebate19/03/23 02:21 AM
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It really does. Whatever you’d thought you’d gain from coming here, you probably won’t find. This is the rhetoric of some of the most unhappy, anxious, and antisocial men you can find. I’d really suggest leaving if you can, this place isn’t good for anyone’s mental health.
/r/PurplePillDebate19/03/23 12:54 AM
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Agreed on social media being a detriment to all living beings. I only use Reddit, and only occasionally to talk to the menfolk here hehe. Standards and expectations aren’t the same thing - I genuinely don’t believe there’s such thing as an unrealistic standard. Its their bar to set. Like I said, only the person making them has to live with the burden. A fundamental flaw of fixing yourself directly for others affection is that it doesn’t guarantee anything. There’s actually nothing anyone can do …
/r/PurplePillDebate18/03/23 04:27 AM
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Yup, never met a man who didn’t care what I did with most of my time. Or whether or not he’d have to support both of us.
/r/PurplePillDebate18/03/23 03:27 AM
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I’m happy for them too. Also happy there are an abundance of imaginary people in this world then too.
/r/PurplePillDebate18/03/23 03:25 AM
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The standards are incredibly realistic because those are what they desire. If they get what they want or not, isn’t our problem. And men can want as big of a dream as they please. It’s strange to see so many men in this thread mad that the status quo changed, that they didn’t get some updated list of standards. Even though its clear that they know what women want. It’s either we didn’t tell them and they’re mad, or we did tell them and they’re mad.
/r/PurplePillDebate18/03/23 02:57 AM
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The cool thing is that most women could swap in men in this sentiment and make the exact same statement. Other than men being ok with being single. I don’t know why men and women can’t have their own set of standards for what they want. I don’t care if you think my standards are stupid, and you don’t care if I think yours are stupid.
/r/PurplePillDebate18/03/23 02:53 AM
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I understand that society is unsympathetic to men. What I don’t understand is why, even when men have the chance to, they aren’t sympathetic to themselves.
/r/PurplePillDebate17/03/23 03:00 PM
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The fact that this comment got an award is so freaking sad man.
/r/PurplePillDebate17/03/23 02:14 PM
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You’re right OP, but this sub reflects the experiences of the most desperate of men. You will get the opposite feedback than if you went on r/dating or something. Good post.
/r/PurplePillDebate17/03/23 01:29 PM
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Idk. I work in a very demanding and competitive field, with men who dedicate their lives to their profession. Coupled or not. I wish people could be more explicit with their true desires. Sexually eager women are easy whores, emotionally open men are desperate and weak.
/r/PurplePillDebate17/03/23 01:21 PM
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Your test case is wrong. In scenarios of DV, men have far less avenues for support and people are less likely to empathize with their abuse. If we’re talking about selecting immature, money-obsessed, monkey branchers or just shitty female (non abusive) partners, I agree completely.
/r/PurplePillDebate17/03/23 01:00 PM
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Wow. Performative masculinity is truly a low self esteem machine. You, and men as a whole, are not pieces of shit. Your interpretation of yourself and what tools that would be useful for your self care are the primary drivers of TRP, the manosphere, and much of the current discourse about men and boys. Far beyond dating. I’m really sorry, and I hope you find peace.
/r/PurplePillDebate17/03/23 02:20 AM
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Say it again for the back row! The soft, serving state that men deeply desire from women REQUIRES alot of upkeep and responsibility on their part. It’s incredibly unadvantageous to not work, be young and dumb, and not know how to defend yourself physically and/or mentally. Thus men need to have the resources and intelligence to support themselves and their partners. Protect her back so she can snuggle and warm your front. But men began to take advantage of this arrangement and even benefiting fr…
/r/PurplePillDebate17/03/23 01:02 AM
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So you were only doing those things to get the ladies? Why isn’t it enough to do it for yourself? It’s just sad to hear that being honest, self-care positive and healthy was only to attract women. You deserve to serve up that love for you and you alone.
/r/PurplePillDebate17/03/23 12:32 AM
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Amongst the volcel and incel women I know, they’re turning to employment and service to mitigate lack of connection. Their thought is that they can at least do good and have resources even if they don’t have a hand to hold. Men doing the opposite supports your take, but I don’t understand why men would stop achieving for themselves because they’re lonely. It’s just incredibly strange to me that men desire achievement only for sex.
/r/PurplePillDebate17/03/23 12:28 AM
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Yuh. Many men have a rationalization kink that gets them in far more trouble than the original preference.
/r/PurplePillDebate17/03/23 12:02 AM
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We all know why 😬 I just don’t get how they don’t get that an adult woman whose still a virgin would absolutely care how promiscuous their partner is. Maybe her definition of promiscuous will be softer than theirs, but she’ll still care. Perhaps thats why they feel so lied to in the dating world, they aren’t picking up what women are putting down.
/r/PurplePillDebate16/03/23 11:57 PM
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Right. It’s like presuming a 7ft tall man is objectively a bad basketball player just because it would be relatively easy for him to get into the NBA.
/r/PurplePillDebate16/03/23 11:45 PM
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You’re alluding to something here that’s harder to justify. If your argument is that women criticize you unfairly for your preferences, that’s a condition that can be pretty well considered. But if your argument is that vocalizing your preferences inhibits your ability to get the women you want, thats a much less reasonable position. Because these women have their own preferences and have the right to disengage if they don’t align. Like its ok and somewhat reasonable for me to be annoyed that me…
/r/PurplePillDebate16/03/23 11:41 PM
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I think men do the exact same thing. Its a people thing, we’re all too sensitive for out own good. The reason why men get the impression that they are more reasonable is because they have a higher drive to reconcile the situation.
/r/PurplePillDebate16/03/23 11:17 PM
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It isn’t 0 for anyone. The longterm problem with this discussion is that men and women have different priorities. Having an abundance of sexual options from people you don’t want to have sex with is useless. It’s like telling a middle class person they should be happy that they can still be robbed. Or like telling men they should be proud of their ability to be drafted to serve their country. No one wants that shit, access doesn’t constitute benefit. I’m not comfortable creating a sexual landsca…
/r/PurplePillDebate15/03/23 06:10 PM
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Every post I have seen made by and about ugly women has been deleted. Just like this one.
/r/PurplePillDebate15/03/23 04:58 PM
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The conversion rate between sex and relationships is incredibly low. Lower than men realize, especially if a woman is keen on not being used for sex. Plus this mentality doesn’t consider the behaviors of women that men supposedly value the most - chaste, low n women. How is a woman supposed to benefit from this increased sexual access if she shouldn’t be having random sex?
/r/PurplePillDebate15/03/23 04:55 PM
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Youre fighting the good fight jamming. I see you
/r/PurplePillDebate15/03/23 04:33 PM
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Its ok honey, I and other women believe you. I hate how the lives of unattractive women are erased here. They do exist and have problems that unattractive men could relate to, but don’t chose to. I hope people recognize your grace and treat you with the kindness you deserve.
/r/PurplePillDebate15/03/23 04:33 PM
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This is a sub full of people giving a shit. There are subs and spaces full of people who care. Despite your assumption, I even care. My problem is that you aren’t willing to extend the same empathy you expect from everyone else.
/r/PurplePillDebate15/03/23 02:07 PM
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Why isn’t this advice that less attractive-affluent men should take? This a truth for everyone who ever complains about dating - get over it and work with what you have.
/r/PurplePillDebate15/03/23 01:07 PM
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Its is. For alot of them. That’s what she’s getting at, the dating realities of dark skinned women are completely erased from this sub.
/r/PurplePillDebate15/03/23 01:04 PM
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Finally someone said it. Alot of conservative/traditional/red-pill expectations of male sexuality are about the best, most selfish outcomes for only males. These men select for submissive, agreeable, young, chaste, naive women not because they are good or better partners, but because they are the most likely to enable male hedonism and least prepared to identify abuse and coercion. Of course that all falls away if the man walks the same reserved path. I know feminism is the boogeyman here, but i…
/r/PurplePillDebate13/03/23 02:54 PM
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It’s not the inverse, it’s the same thing. I’m just a woman looking at men and you’re a man looking at women. I think alot of dating is deeply screwed because communication, agency, and consistency falls away in modern romance. Sex notwithstanding. I hope we both heal and find what we need and deserve!
/r/PurplePillDebate09/03/23 10:18 PM
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Holy misandry! Sorry you feel this way about yourself bud.
/r/PurplePillDebate09/03/23 10:14 PM
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Genuinely always thought this was the real tea.
/r/PurplePillDebate09/03/23 10:03 PM
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Fair, but I don’t count men’s physical desire for women to count towards liking them. Its a compulsive need-desire. If I’m a mouse and you’re an elephant, you needing 1000x more food to live than me doesn’t mean you enjoy eating more than I do.
/r/PurplePillDebate09/03/23 10:00 PM
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Women are advertised as the gatekeepers of affection and human companionship. Men live for their drive for sex, but die by their deprivation from this emotional sweetness. Sad stuff.
/r/PurplePillDebate09/03/23 09:56 PM
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I love men, so much. They make amazing friends, and a healthy degree of masculinity is fantastic and special all on its own. But I find men’s decorum drops greatly if an interaction they are having has something to do with sex. I don’t really think this is a gendered thing - dating behavior is somehow allowed to be much more selfish and constrained than platonic behavior. Really, when a man thinks he wants to have sex/date, it seems he treats me with less care than a coworker or stranger. Maybe …
/r/PurplePillDebate09/03/23 09:49 PM
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Hasn’t been mentioned yet, but the women they bring on are not normative to black dating either. Black women are more likely to be the breadwinners in their families for gods sake. Don’t put this one on all of us, thanks - alot of women see althelticism and peerformers as masculine and attractive, regardless of color.
/r/PurplePillDebate09/03/23 07:55 PM
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1000% agree. It’s part of the reason why this sub is essentially an echo chamber. Bad faith debates abound.
/r/PurplePillDebate28/02/23 05:44 PM
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They probably reject it with the same heat and emotion as a man being told he may just be too unattractive to have sex. No one likes to hear hard truths.
/r/PurplePillDebate27/02/23 03:32 PM
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If it went that long of a way, men would be tripping over themselves to get degrees and start businesses. It’s not that money gives them nothing, its that men cater so much to their sexual appetite that they forget they’d also like to be loved. So those that do make money still feel as if they have nothing, and men who don’t don’t attempt to because they know they only attract women who value their cashflow. Generating a portion of the nascent anger we see here everyday.
/r/PurplePillDebate24/02/23 06:30 PM
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Not necessarily basic - part of the game is understanding that these men use the qualifications for hookups and relationships interchangeably. They will date, sex down, and leave a woman they hate and are bored with if they can. Basic doesn’t matter more than access. So basic women do get something, just nothing she’d want. But these men desire the prestige of a high value woman ( and by high value, we really mean incredibly physically attractive, naive, and little else) is too strong, so those …
/r/PurplePillDebate24/02/23 06:23 PM
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Exactly. Women realized a long time ago that there was intrinsic labor to being attractive. Not just in the body but the mind. Especially if you wanted to be treated well on top of having access to sex. Men’s traditional attractive labor was literal labor. Now that has much less attractive value. The common modern man is very slow to catch up, because they need to learn new methods of performance and that’s frustrating for them.
/r/PurplePillDebate24/02/23 06:00 PM
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Your barista buddy and his fiancé are interesting. I know OLD has completely lost its charm. As a woman, I just can’t take the vast majority of men I match with seriously because of how unserious they have been when we meet and seeing what I see online. Even men I would find attractive in person are less so on the app. I truly think half of the rejections people on OLD experience wouldn’t be so if they just saw that same person in motion for five minutes. Some people can’t make attractive profil…
/r/PurplePillDebate24/02/23 05:42 PM
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Women put in effort by being attractive to your eye in general. Women who don’t put in that labor don’t get your attention. Or there are women who do do this, just not to you. And more commonly than any other situation, men and women just meet in equal environments, thus no one is putting more labor into nurturing the relationship. If you mean men do the first approach, women often reciprocate by continuing the interaction at another time. It evens out.
/r/PurplePillDebate24/02/23 05:26 PM
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This right here!! Different words, same outcome.
/r/PurplePillDebate24/02/23 05:12 PM
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They are not physically attractive to men, so it doesn’t matter. Who would have thought men have the same standards for women as women do men?
/r/PurplePillDebate24/02/23 04:43 PM
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Yes. I believe that’s what they mean. For any incoming browser, look above to the threads of statements by PPD men stating the horrid nature of women, their selfishness, callousness to male issues, delusion, apathy, etc. The responses of how women (a presumable all) are horrid, unloving beings. Look at their critiques of TwoX and female rhetoric. Or even below, you’ll see the same thing. No sides of this discussion are logical or correct. These places are filled with hurt, ruined people. Regardl…
/r/PurplePillDebate24/02/23 04:36 PM
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Competency and action, but it has very little to do with physicality. A man who has a moral system that he stands by, is willing to help his communities through service. He can take criticism, he can lead, and he can follow - his masculinity comes in his ability to work in any position to help a team or complete a goal, instead of using that strength to force his perspective. A person who you trust not because they are invariably stoic or aggressive, but because they know their business and wort…
/r/PurplePillDebate22/02/23 02:24 PM
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Most guys I know are just working, living, and surviving like anyone else, regardless of genitalia. The competition is very specific to employment (employee vs employer), or is internalized to our expectations. Sometimes I think we base our standards of conduct on the lifestyles of our grandparents, dynamics that don’t quite persist in the modern day. There’s also the question of why men think they are competing with their mates at all. That’s not the game we play in relationships. Men seem to w…
/r/PurplePillDebate22/02/23 02:12 PM
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I can only speak for myself, but as a woman I know that men need to feel a strong sense of competency to feel desired and honored in a relationship. Especially for men very attached to their masculinity, its a near requirement to make men FEEL like they are top dogs because that seems to be the most normative affection men offer themselves and each other. Almost like play-acting, I provide and nurture opportunities for my mate to be useful to me, like opening doors, fixing things I could do myse…
/r/PurplePillDebate22/02/23 06:00 AM
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I think this perspective of women’s preference for respect is a cornerstone of traditional femininity that is changing. Part of the reason why traditional men crave traditional women is for their high capacity to be disrespected. The patience, agreeableness, and pleasant demeanor all correlate to women who will allow a man full breadth of his agency, to not complicate his actions. Women are demanding the same type and level of respect in turn from their male partners nowadays. Along with the nor…
/r/PurplePillDebate22/02/23 05:43 AM
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I resonate so much with this. As a fellow big woman coming off the hill, the fear of seeing just how poorly you have been perceived because of your body is deafening. I truly hope we both have the mental strength to undergo this journey, and get the companionship we always deserved.
/r/PurplePillDebate22/02/23 05:17 AM
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You don’t know that the person who responded to you is even a woman. For Christ’s sake… this is a you problem.
/r/PurplePillDebate19/02/23 04:49 PM
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Why do men like you INSIST on being so condescending?? Opening up any retort from someone who disagrees (and I presume you presume is a woman) with ‘ahh, another example of THESE people failing to be as intellectual and coherent as I :)’ That is the presentation that gets women fired up here. Like how the heck are we to debate anything when you start from such an alienating place? This sub is nearly useless because some posters are so disrespectful from jump.
/r/PurplePillDebate19/02/23 04:42 PM
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But you all believe every woman’s dissent to be virtue signaling or lying. Like no one here has any ability to presume the truthfulness of anyone else, but I invariably find men calling women liars or ‘illogical’ if they disagree. I don’t know if I’ve ever seen a clearly female poster preemptively state anything a male poster said to be a lie. That’s a recipe for bad faith debate because you’ve already decided you’ve won. There are many more men here that are active than women, so one groups voi…
/r/PurplePillDebate19/02/23 04:31 PM
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Red pill is a set of ideals based in masculine sexual hedonism. Though started as a list of tips for self improvement, it mostly serves to optimize selfish sexual activity. Doesn’t need to be moral, consistent, or respectable, because the most honorable thing such men can do is get their dick wet. Red pill allow men to lean into their desire with little to no restraint, they are tools to optimize unbridled sexual conquest and little else.
/r/PurplePillDebate17/02/23 05:11 PM
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No. We have had male contraceptive for years. They never become popular because men don’t like the side effects of birth control (which very well mirror the effects women have) and the masculine stigma of lower sperm count. Tying a rubber band around your testes can be effective for men. Taking extra hot baths can also be effective. Even these methods are less invasive than what is prescribed to women. An interesting aside - many female birth control methods has a stark effect on female libido. …
/r/PurplePillDebate16/02/23 06:58 PM
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You know, we say this alot here, on this sub that is mostly made up of men though it’s not inherently gendered. In a modern world where much of our social discourse surrounds what we need to do with distressed, lonely, sexless, terminally online, and/or ostracized men.
/r/PurplePillDebate16/02/23 06:45 PM
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Wouldn’t rape be the equivalent of rape for men?
/r/PurplePillDebate16/02/23 06:19 PM
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So beautifully stated. Thank you.
/r/PurplePillDebate16/02/23 06:03 PM
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Doesn’t it tell you alot about the view of women these men have, and which types of women they are most likely to select? We’ve created this monolithic view of romantic relationships based on a paradigm of purchase and barter. To the point that men and women who define their affection some other way are labeled liars. Sad stuff.
/r/PurplePillDebate16/02/23 06:00 PM
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Ok so you can make a glaring generalization about 50% of the human pop off of one convo, but a woman can’t suggest she doesn’t want some guys advances, ugly or not. God this is frustrating. This is further proof men here are almost always bad faith debaters.
/r/PurplePillDebate16/02/23 05:05 PM
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I completely agree. Men need to defend their right to innocence more than they do.
/r/PurplePillDebate16/02/23 05:02 PM
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Why are you redefining what creepy means to fit your assumptions about what women mean? Like this is the problem, you don’t believe what women say even if they’re saying something that would increase your faith in them. The definition of creepy doesn’t literally include a physical qualifier to the person, that just happens in the sub because so many people are stubborn and upset.
/r/PurplePillDebate16/02/23 04:59 PM
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Try. See how you do. Not being entitled to something doesn’t mean you don’t get or deserve access to it.
/r/PurplePillDebate16/02/23 04:52 PM
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Yep. The advice they give to women should be their own - no one is owed affection and you need to provide attractive qualities in order to be offered attractive companionship. That’s the rule for everyone, not just women for some reason.
/r/PurplePillDebate16/02/23 04:51 PM
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Most people, male or female, aren’t that physically appealing if you dont have a high drive for sex. I’m not convinced that men find women any more attractive than women find men. The deep desire for sex is what drives men to women so fervently, an incredibly physical act. I’ve heard too many tales of men dealing with women they hate - or women in general- just because it provides access to sex and feminine softness. Things like social stigma, safety, and conditions of the interaction also make …
/r/PurplePillDebate15/02/23 07:35 PM
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Don, bro. This is hilarious. But why does a man’s relative attractiveness get to be determined by other men, but a woman’s isn’t? Listen to your audience. If every women thinks Don is a 2/10, he’s a 2. Does average mean the attractiveness of an average person, or a literal 5/10?
/r/PurplePillDebate15/02/23 04:49 PM
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They don’t want to be alone, or they are capable of developing a close-approximate to physical attraction overtime. And are very susceptible to the social pressures that force human partnership and the false virtue that woman shouldn’t care about looks.
/r/PurplePillDebate15/02/23 04:39 PM
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This is really horrible, I’m so sorry. But I do think it’s a good metric to have good sexual rapport with someone before committing to them.
/r/PurplePillDebate15/02/23 04:30 PM
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Same! But for men. It’s funny, how men and women can go to the same forums to see how deluded and weird the other sex is.
/r/PurplePillDebate15/02/23 04:17 PM
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Do you think that’s an unreasonable thing for them to do, considering the provided data?
/r/PurplePillDebate10/02/23 06:07 PM
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If a woman receiving any service - a service she PAID for nonetheless - from a man makes her indebted to masculinity, men are also relying heavily on women. The vast majority of your teachers, nurses, transportation workers, half of doctors and academics, are women. 43% of agricultural works are women, and 56% of agricultural operations have at least one female decision maker. Women are the majority of service and retail labor. Most consumer goods in the west are being made in Chinese factories,…
/r/PurplePillDebate10/02/23 05:07 PM
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The key to PPD is to realize PPD/ RP men are the biggest misandrists of all
/r/PurplePillDebate09/02/23 09:05 PM
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Why must you label behaviors that you don’t understand as women being oblivious? What if women just have more things they select for than you? I hate that we choose to villify here instead of just agreeing to disagree. This insistence that women must be stupid, illogical, ill informed, or immature to do things men don’t understand is the cornerstone of why men have such a hard time finding partners.
/r/PurplePillDebate03/02/23 10:42 PM
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None of the things you listed under gross have anything to do with each other. Why wouldn’t differences in morality and beliefs not be a possible description for gross? Y’all need to stop rewriting what women tell you they don’t find attractive just because you don’t agree. Like nooo, the only people who find Andrew Tate attractive are people who agree with him. It isn’t us virtue signaling, gaslighting, being delusional, being illogical, or any other condescending thing you can think of. You ju…
/r/PurplePillDebate03/02/23 10:38 PM
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They probably don’t hate men. They’re just disappointed in them.
/r/PurplePillDebate03/02/23 08:20 PM
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I don’t understand why an engineer can’t be an fboy. Being sexually promiscuous is not an occupation. And under the standards of red pill, these high earners should have the advantage.
/r/PurplePillDebate03/02/23 01:56 PM
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Japan is far from being socially liberal. They are rather xenophobic, homophobic, mysogensitic, ableist and all around culturally reserved.
/r/PurplePillDebate03/02/23 01:53 PM
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We are all being shown the most optimal of scenarios. Even for the people who do get to have sex, they aren’t as sexy or as successful as the relationships we are being shown today. I know something is better than nothing, but I believe those with nothing over-exaggerate the lives of those that do the vast majority of the time, a la all women have orbiters, successful men are swimming in HV tail, etc. Essentially, they are confusing equality and equity here: we are all free to play the game, but…
/r/PurplePillDebate03/02/23 01:44 PM
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Women are only so susceptible to oppression because they are physically smaller and weaker than men. And possibly because women internalize their aggression instead of externalizing it, making it more likely for them to compromise to less favorable conditions. In the same way that smaller men can be overpowered by larger men - we all deserve systems to prevent our overtaking from stronger forces.
/r/PurplePillDebate01/02/23 10:20 PM
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Its not the performance of the study that’s problematic, its the hyperfixation on them in lieu of coming to conclusions through human interaction. There are men saying women are incapable of monogamy and cannot be in long term relationships, which is laughably false. But it feeds their relationship anxiety so they hold onto it like a crutch. It wouldn’t even matter if they met a woman irl who didn’t do any of the things that fuel PPD fears, a paper told them not to trust women so they won’t. Rec…
/r/PurplePillDebate31/01/23 12:22 AM
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Completely agree. You can’t even label behavior as insecure, sensitive, or emotional without it being some way to shame men. As if men can’t be scared, sad, anxious, or irrational. We just take normal, ungendered dating realities and rehash it as the most villainous, gynocentric behavior possible. Tiring to say the least.
/r/PurplePillDebate30/01/23 09:31 PM
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I think it’s depressing that men are so confident that other men traumatize women through their sexual contact with them. Like you just expect your fellow men to treat women so poorly that she is irreversibly changed. And the likelihood of that traumatizing behavior is so high, that simply knowing how many men she’s been with can be confidently used as a measure of her trauma. Do you ever ask yourself why you have this expectation or why you think so many men act like that?
/r/PurplePillDebate30/01/23 09:24 PM
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Just because language used made you feel shame doesn’t make it inherently shaming language. This is a fairly common, well known concept that has been repackaged, hyper-vilified, and depersonalized to become palatable for the red pill crowd. It happens all the time here.
/r/PurplePillDebate30/01/23 09:18 PM
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I genuinely think every man falls into some woman’s niche. Every man. It just depends on if she is in your niche and if you’re in the most optimal mental state to receive her.
/r/PurplePillDebate26/01/23 09:55 PM
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You’re right. They respond like this because it scares them. You’re being far more diplomatic than many here can be when speaking about women.
/r/PurplePillDebate24/01/23 02:50 PM
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I can’t convince you that you can split away from your social conventions and live the life that you want. You don’t need to provide for anything or anyone, but I know you choose to because that’s what you were told you should do. Women are earning their keep more each day. I’m sorry you’ve spent any time raising up equal adults. You need to find some other avenue to make yourself feel worthy of companionship. We are telling you this truth because it’s clearly hurting you more than it’s hurting …
/r/PurplePillDebate24/01/23 02:47 PM
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There’s no resentment or disgust in their replies. They just refuse to be convinced to settle. Just because they won’t do and think as you want doesn’t mean they hate you. Men need to stop thinking not getting what they want means people hate them.
/r/PurplePillDebate24/01/23 02:38 PM
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Makes sense, thank you. When you get convinced that you can find only the worst case scenario in dating, of course you wouldn’t want to date.
/r/PurplePillDebate23/01/23 05:55 PM
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What features only occur in one race of people? And as a modern human in a modern world, it’s hard to understand not being able to identify said features across different cultural groups, to the point of being unable to find someone attractive. And animals do mate with things that aren’t their natural mates - indiscriminate humping comes to mind - as well as humans all being within the same species, so I’m not sure if evolution covers that…
/r/PurplePillDebate23/01/23 05:53 PM
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Absolutely amazing post and fantastic retorts OP. People are being read to FILTH 😰😰😰
/r/PurplePillDebate23/01/23 05:45 PM
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Yes. The most we talk about mental health is in the berating of modern women’s use of antidepressants. Even though the talking point of men being more homeless, more lonely, and more successful at suicide is well used - but only to make women shut up about some discussion about women’s needs. The responses I get here are some of the most aggressive I’ve gotten anywhere on Reddit.
/r/PurplePillDebate23/01/23 05:26 PM
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But why doesn’t the red pill tell the stories of low n women and average, but fuckable guys if they supposedly exist within TRP rhetoric? Its never that the men and women we describe here - the Chads, betas, cock carasol Stacies, ‘post-wall’ women - don’t exist, its the presumption that ALL people must fall into those categories and ALL behaviors’ causes and consequences can be predicted because you ‘understand’ how dating works. TRP is absolutely built off of the presumption of the extreme, tha…
/r/PurplePillDebate23/01/23 05:21 PM
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Great analysis. Most men choose to stats max numbers maybe because it is inherently attractive to have a high number of attempts. But many of the strategies to max numbers lowers probability. And most women would suggest them to max out probability than numbers here.
/r/PurplePillDebate23/01/23 02:38 PM
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Do you think your whiteness is a large factor in who you can find attractive?
/r/PurplePillDebate23/01/23 12:50 PM
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Nah, upset was a good way to put it.
/r/PurplePillDebate19/01/23 01:29 PM
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But incels aren’t completely incapable of having sex. If femcels require absolutely no male attention to be legitimate, incels require absolutely no access to sex. Which isn’t true because most of these men could find very unattractive women to sleep with, or pay for it. Discounting one forces you to discount the other.
/r/PurplePillDebate19/01/23 12:13 PM
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By that logic, no man can be an incel because he can find someone to pay for sex.
/r/PurplePillDebate19/01/23 12:07 PM
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All these assumptions allow you disbelieve any conclusions that could arise from the responses though. I can’t think of any pattern of response that wouldn’t allow to say ‘looks like the women continue to lie/deflect as expected’.
/r/PurplePillDebate19/01/23 11:35 AM
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Yes. Never got the hesitation for bi-sexual men. As a heterosexual woman, I can understand why someone would want to have sex with someone with a penis. I do think the addition of domination here leads the question though. It’s just sex.
/r/PurplePillDebate19/01/23 11:19 AM
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What does this behavior have to do with feminism?
/r/PurplePillDebate19/01/23 09:09 AM
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Did you fall out of love because you specifically weren’t having sex anymore, or you felt like your partner wasn’t attracted to you anymore, which hurt your feelings? Thanks
/r/PurplePillDebate18/01/23 08:36 PM
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This is an interesting thought. Will keep this in my back pocket.
/r/PurplePillDebate18/01/23 08:33 PM
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So much this. One of the most sexually enticing things a man can do is display non-sexual affection. You don’t think I’d notice if you only ever grab my hand to shove it in your pants?
/r/PurplePillDebate18/01/23 08:28 PM
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You’re preaching to the choir here. I have no idea why having random sex is so appealing to people who clearly want/need individually meaningful relationships. I know most men get very little positive reinforcement so they use sex as a proxy for that. Unfortunately all their favorite tactics per the red pill make anything sustainable very difficult.
/r/PurplePillDebate18/01/23 08:24 PM
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Optimizing random sexual encounters. Never confuse it for a pathway to long term companionship.
/r/PurplePillDebate18/01/23 08:05 PM
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So true. Essentially any person would be intolerable in a long term sexual relationship if you don’t wanna smash from jump.
/r/PurplePillDebate18/01/23 08:01 PM
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Average isn’t ‘average’ - the average we talk about here is usually not a legitimate, statistical average. I meant that as the pool of neither exceptionally attractive nor exceptionally unattractive women is greater than that of men.
/r/PurplePillDebate16/01/23 01:36 PM
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I don’t disagree with you at all, the communication of these ideas differ, thus why female sentiments can be better received because they are more palatable. It’s not the display of loneliness that gets men in trouble, its how they display, and how they contextualize the people who don’t give them what they want. Just another thought - the 80/20 split for men is particularly nefarious because men’s taste are much more generalized. A set of women’s 80/20 preferences are more likely to cover a wid…
/r/PurplePillDebate16/01/23 01:29 PM
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Statistics of intrapersonal behaviors are horrible for interpersonal relationships. They are stifling much more than motivating. Much of the discourse on this sub amounts to female subservience as well. I have never met or heard of women who have time for such a thing, but they are in the minority. And it’s not rare. It’s rare to you because women are much less incentivized to relay such information. People can understand why/how a man could be unattractive, but a woman in the same position is t…
/r/PurplePillDebate16/01/23 01:20 PM
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What empathy? Nearly all the responses is some saying exactly what you said or some quip about ‘welcome to OUR world’. Not a surprising response honestly. Empathy gap for sure.
/r/PurplePillDebate16/01/23 01:12 PM
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Please don’t erase these women’s perspectives by saying they’re too ugly to be counted. They don’t need to be ‘sub 4’ to have these experiences.
/r/PurplePillDebate16/01/23 01:01 PM
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Look at the WAY she’s complaining. Look at what she’s saying about the men who reject her. Does she state any globalizing statements about the opposite gender? Is she using statistics to justify her position or make her perspective unmoveable? Are there threats of violence or name calling in any of her replies? Does she post the same ideas multiple times a day? The idea of male loneliness was never controversial. It seems how you talk about it and use it to frame your perspective another ALL wom…
/r/PurplePillDebate16/01/23 12:58 PM
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Way more than 20%. Many PPD men greatly over exaggerate the experiences of women. There are alot more average looking women than men imo and most get ignored. It’s so very possible for a woman to be seen as not good enough physically.
/r/PurplePillDebate16/01/23 12:53 PM
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There’s a difference between expressing a lack of intimacy and demanding its existence. Most of the gender flipped iterations of this feeling make accusatory statements about women, don’t see that here about men.
/r/PurplePillDebate16/01/23 12:50 PM
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I wish this could be the top comment on every post of this sub.
/r/PurplePillDebate16/01/23 12:42 AM
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Maybe because men are much more likely to think they’d look down on them. Could be part of the reason.
/r/PurplePillDebate11/01/23 09:35 PM
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Fair, it is a deep desire for some.
/r/PurplePillDebate11/01/23 04:30 PM
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What part of what I said was a straw man? I wasn’t debating any point you made, I was asking you to reflect on your perspective. If anything, your original response was the only stawman I can find in this exchange. Someone said sometimes women are used in sex. You said, boohoo women always make the worst of their perspective. I said, thats not a great way to go about debate if you’ll just call the counter position a lie. And now we’re here.
/r/PurplePillDebate11/01/23 04:23 PM
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Resort to what? You heard an innocuous comment about a perspective of sex and turned it into an accusation about that perspective. And absolute accusation. You then reply to me backtracking and accusing me of doing what you did in the first place. You’re mad that PPD women can identify bad-faith, unempathetic debaters? Sounds good to me.
/r/PurplePillDebate11/01/23 04:16 PM
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It makes you feel better to say this, but I’m so sorry, it’s not true. Probably 2/3 of women just sit at home, not doing any of the supposedly single activities you accuse them of because you feel cheated.
/r/PurplePillDebate11/01/23 04:07 PM
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God. So why should we care about any complaint you have about your sexual experiences if you can’t consider that women could have a bad time too? I know you’re hurting, but empathy begets empathy.
/r/PurplePillDebate11/01/23 04:03 PM
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These analogies never work because you’re assuming our interests are the same. Why should women respect men’s high prioritization of sex if you can’t respect our high deprioritization? Women just don’t NEED sex like that, by and large. It’s starving only to you, from a woman’s perspective the McDonalds will kill us in 20 years because it’s full of carcinogens. And it’s not starvation, it’s a highly desired resource, yes, but the end result of not getting will not be death. More accurate to say y…
/r/PurplePillDebate11/01/23 03:51 PM
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And most people wish they could eat cake everyday. You can want something without needing it, and live a perfectly fulfilled life without getting everything you want. The worst thing that could happen to Heidi is not living without a husband. Let her live.
/r/PurplePillDebate11/01/23 03:42 PM
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I promise you most of the women here don’t hate men. Don’t mistake your position as normative amongst men, in the same way many of the opinions of TwoX posters represent women.
/r/PurplePillDebate10/01/23 08:38 PM
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Why doesn’t your excuse for this sub’s abysmal comments not follow for TwoX? And a cursory scan of this sub makes it clear that its a clear counterpart for TwoX. The animosity for women here is palpable.
/r/PurplePillDebate10/01/23 06:31 PM
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Freaking fantastic question.
/r/PurplePillDebate10/01/23 06:23 PM
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But the wild is, some men DO imply other characteristics in their requests. They don’t find the need to articulate them because that isn’t necessary for them, but become hugely frustrated if their box-ticking doesn’t get them some ass.
/r/PurplePillDebate10/01/23 05:00 PM
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I feel like women do the same, but get called liars and less intelligent by the same men who do this. Of course one would assume non smelly, non-crazy, and relatively attractive.
/r/PurplePillDebate10/01/23 04:56 PM
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I just think, at the end of the day, nothing guarantees anyone companionship. Point blank. No amount of gym going, stats maxing, or money making ensures that you can request or expect anything. Especially in an age where we can compare ourselves to the best and the worst so easily. The key seems to be expecting the least amount as possible, no matter what you think you offer.
/r/PurplePillDebate10/01/23 04:54 PM
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I’ve heard a certain type of man use it in a way that could be insulting. Like there are many women he sleeps with and has kids by, but one whose got the most children or who he returns to for safety when he hasn’t gotten his way with the frequent fliers. She may not support him financially, so he uses the other women for that or to take care of the main one. Essentially the women he probably would marry if he could commit. She tends to be his high school sweetheart or longest relationship. I th…
/r/PurplePillDebate09/01/23 03:20 AM
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Yes? Not all men are you, and there are real benefits of having a long term partner that you would even appreciate.
/r/PurplePillDebate09/01/23 03:15 AM
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Biggest farce I’ve ever heard. Men want kids badly, enough to have these marriages they hate just to ensure known seed
/r/PurplePillDebate09/01/23 02:45 AM
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THANK YOU. Men fail more often, but god forbid a woman can’t get what she wants.
/r/PurplePillDebate05/01/23 02:54 PM
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This too, a denying man is seen highly amongst men. A denying woman is a bitch, even though we have many more opportunities to deny.
/r/PurplePillDebate05/01/23 02:50 PM
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Idk man. Women tend to think ‘I’m simply not attracted to them, go away so i can continue my day’ I have never heard a man speak about an approaching woman he didn’t want without making a value judgement on their character and worth. It’s always ‘ she MUST be easy, ran-through, or a total 2/10’. Men do have a harsher vocabulary, but approach is weighted heavily against these girls.
/r/PurplePillDebate05/01/23 02:49 PM
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I don’t think its good for your mental health to presume all your partners are lying to you about this. Believe them for your own sake. You don’t need to be the greatest guy as long as you’re their guy. And if they did, maybe thats because they think you emotionally cannot handle not being their best. I know men hate women lying to them, but this continued discussion about simple terms being hurtful to men’s egos is a great display of why some women may choose to lie. Apparently, it doesn’t matt…
/r/PurplePillDebate05/01/23 02:36 PM
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Territorial behavior generates from insecurity about what happens when your territory is encroached. You aren’t against other men seeing your girl dance just because, you don’t want either party to be tempted by each other. If territorial is a less, idk, emasculating term for you, thats fine. But insecurity and territorial refer to the same thing here.
/r/PurplePillDebate05/01/23 02:31 PM
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Exactly, its not a slight. It’s a conclusion based on the behavior they display and their own words.
/r/PurplePillDebate05/01/23 02:28 PM
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Genuinely, men here think anything that is not completely agreeing with their position as shaming them. I don’t know how to describe this behavior some other way. Requesting that we over formalize our speech to appease your sensibilities is another display of that same insecurity.
/r/PurplePillDebate05/01/23 02:25 PM
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I am genuinely sorry that that’s the way of life for men. We’ve all got problems, but that particular aspect of masculinity is just killer.
/r/PurplePillDebate04/01/23 10:42 PM
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Please don’t say I don’t understand you just because we disagree. I heard you, and I understand you very well. I just think there are different conclusions one could make about WHY people do these things. Also I’m referring to a subset of men and a subtype of submission. There is a wealth of behavior between submissive and combative in-which women can meet your desire for an easy relationship.
/r/PurplePillDebate04/01/23 10:38 PM
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I greatly disagree, but that’s ok.
/r/PurplePillDebate04/01/23 10:31 PM
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It’s sad that the fatalism has fully taken over. Maybe that’s what it feels like to be on the brink of revolution. How many times in history did people think the world was ending and gave up, only to be dragged under the will of someone more auspicious when they still woke up the next day? It can only get worse, and it creeps forward at the pace of people’s surrender.
/r/PurplePillDebate04/01/23 09:46 PM
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You had me in the first half, ngl.
/r/PurplePillDebate04/01/23 08:39 PM
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Your evidence is a screenshot of a post from this sub? Was hoping for something peer-reviewed mate.
/r/PurplePillDebate04/01/23 08:36 PM
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This approach to dominance/submission makes much more sense to me.
/r/PurplePillDebate04/01/23 08:14 PM
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I’ve gotten that sense as well. Do you think men get such infidelity-anxiety with equal footed women because they worry they offer very little other benefits to their partners? Like idk, I pick dudes because they’re attractive, fun to be around, and level headed. And cheating is a pretty pathological behavior set that income doesn’t mitigate.
/r/PurplePillDebate04/01/23 08:08 PM
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Why do you think not being submissive means literally yelling at you? Why be so hyperbolic to pretend anything above deferment is adjunct aggression? Imagine there’s no yelling, you don’t fight often, and you can relax when you’re with her. Is that being submissive to you?
/r/PurplePillDebate04/01/23 08:04 PM
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Yes, this. You read what these women have to mentally tell themselves to mitigate the stress of having little autonomy in their relationships. Virtue of its presentation, there are NO scenarios where a man doesn’t get what he wants in these relationships. The only person who has to put effort into stabilizing the union is the woman constantly working to fit the mold her husband makes for her over time. And she’s more inclined to dissociate because she doesn’t have the ability to leave. She was h…
/r/PurplePillDebate04/01/23 08:01 PM
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What part is complete BS? This is a discussion post because I want to know others opinions. Pinky promise I meant every word I wrote.
/r/PurplePillDebate04/01/23 07:57 PM
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If you told the average woman that she would have to ultimately defer to her partners decision making virtue of the fact that he is a man, she’ll probably push back on you. If you used the terms ‘submissive, agreeable, or cooperative’ to explicitly describe the women you want, many would ask clarifying questions about why you want this or why you can’t offer the same in return. What you don’t understand is submission as a concept isn’t off limits. The type and degree and demand for submission is…
/r/PurplePillDebate04/01/23 07:56 PM
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Nah they were. Just because the answer can’t be universal doesn’t mean it isn’t serious.
/r/PurplePillDebate04/01/23 07:49 PM
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Thank you! I think both sides of a partnership should have the option to leave if their needs aren’t met. That’s what make’s relationships like this a privilege, they enrich life but only if they enrich you. Both parties should be able to stand on our own. We do build together, based on each person’s individual capacity and the combined work of the union. There’s mine, his and ours; the ours grows as we feed into it and ourselves. I’m not assuming a 50:50 split of anything, just the option for e…
/r/PurplePillDebate04/01/23 07:48 PM
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The economy could implode. Or you get sick. Inflation. War. So many things affect monetary positioning. You can always moderate your reaction to people and situations than your ability to work in a capitalist society. We have completely different perspectives here, but thank you for explaining.
/r/PurplePillDebate04/01/23 07:37 PM
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^
/r/PurplePillDebate04/01/23 07:33 PM
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Women who say ‘Can you handle me?’ unprompted and with no context are crazy, yeah. But I think there are dudes who see anything above the submission I detailed as being equivalent. I understand the appeal of being in a relationship where your perspective and wishes are catered to. Where you don’t really need to compromise or consider what the other person is doing because they’re waiting on you. Its the best case scenario for you. But it is a very polarizing thing to request from your partner. W…
/r/PurplePillDebate04/01/23 05:45 PM
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Thank you for sharing. I’m happy you found something stable for you. It works if both parties are cool with the dynamic. And I can appreciate wanting someone who caters to you, that is a very predictable thing to enjoy in a relationship.
/r/PurplePillDebate04/01/23 05:32 PM
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I think women say that because women’s income expectations in dating is the only scenario where men don’t agree that more money is logically better. There are women who like high earners because they can’t earn themselves, sure. But there’s also a large subset who just don’t want to pay anyone’s way - a position I do think men would respect more if it wasn’t about them. And women do run into problems when they earn more than their partners. Some men feel emasculated just because they do, then re…
/r/PurplePillDebate04/01/23 05:26 PM
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You got me there! It’s to say that the things you put in place to generate stability have a high likelihood of being your undoing if they stop working. Like yes, its very effective to make an unwavering bond if one pays the others way, but if you can’t pay, that’s often the exact reason why it begins to fall. But if your bond is based on emotional capacity, that’s much less likely to affected by things outside of your hands. Especially since it seems to be a deep concern of men that women use/le…
/r/PurplePillDebate04/01/23 04:48 PM
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I want to be and have been the approacher, but it has never been successful. I know the retort is to say that it’s because I am not HV, but that perception is exactly why it doesn’t work. A man whose approached will either believe its a joke, trick, or simply an LV woman because she’s doing the asking. I started approaching because of all the complaining men do about having to do it - an attempt to be gender neutral and kind - but I wouldn’t suggest it for men you don’t know. As we like to say h…
/r/PurplePillDebate04/01/23 04:39 PM
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Interesting, don’t disagree with you, thus why I said some or many. What do you think they would reflect about me?
/r/PurplePillDebate04/01/23 04:34 PM
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Agreed captain
/r/PurplePillDebate04/01/23 04:20 PM
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That’s fine. You can think those things, how could I stop you. We just aren’t compatible.
/r/PurplePillDebate04/01/23 04:19 PM
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I’m happy that it does work for you. I think I understand your definition of stability here - its the perception of stability through external and internal motivators.
/r/PurplePillDebate04/01/23 04:17 PM
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Women are shamed for wanting those men. Every day here for example, men will say women love psychopaths, drug dealers, and thugs just because they may pick a man whose more assertive than the person making the comment. It doesn’t help that we seem to only talk in extremes - a submissive woman is imagined to be spineless while a non-submissive woman is immediately called masculine and presumed to be insane. Men and women probably want the same types of relationships, but when we describe them to …
/r/PurplePillDebate04/01/23 04:13 PM
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You show me you care by answering the post bud, don’t get mad at me for it. The point is that submission really can’t be a unilateral characteristic. I’m a very appealing version of submissive in situations that prove to be ideal. The type of submission I document here is unsustainable in comparison.
/r/PurplePillDebate04/01/23 04:04 PM
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I understand the words and the reasoning, that just seems sad and unsustainable. If you trip up in any area you outcompete her in, you just expect her to leave you. Your bond is utilitarian. I would get much more pleasure from knowing someone could do whatever they want, and they chose me. There’s no inflation of worth due to relative comparison.
/r/PurplePillDebate04/01/23 04:01 PM
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Sorry, not sure how to do the indent reference! Super interesting, thanks. I ask because it seems like alot of work, as if you need to be constantly corralling your partner to make it worth while to both of you. This is what my last question refers to mostly, the effort to subdue your partner instead of them just wanting to be around you because they like you. It all seems like a formalized way to mitigate infidelity anxiety, to lower the likelihood of being left by creating structural reasons w…
/r/PurplePillDebate04/01/23 03:58 PM
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Agree 1000%. It’s frustrating.
/r/PurplePillDebate04/01/23 03:45 PM
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So your romantic compatibility with a woman depends on your ability to lead her? It just seems very limiting and vaguely egocentric to expect your partners to be perpetually indebted to your guidance. Isn’t that exhausting? Do you not feel used in a way, knowing you can outmaneuver this adult and must to maintain the relationship? What is attractive about extending that mental power here? These are serious questions btw.
/r/PurplePillDebate04/01/23 03:37 PM
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Not necessarily a problem, just incredibly unattractive to most women. Like stated, it cheapens the relationship because it’s less of a mutual sexual/emotional bond and more of a vehicle to make one party feel better about themselves. Plus it grounds all logical reasoning in the male sex, which is asinine at best.
/r/PurplePillDebate04/01/23 03:32 PM
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No I agree with you, I’m suggesting that these types of men see relationships as a competition scenario, which makes no sense.
/r/PurplePillDebate04/01/23 03:27 PM
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Thank you for your take, I agree immensely.
/r/PurplePillDebate04/01/23 03:26 PM
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I agree! Both partners deserve to be intellectually tested, but the home isn’t a debate club.
/r/PurplePillDebate04/01/23 03:25 PM
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Absolutely true. Thats why this behavior is more obvious and less reasonable now.
/r/PurplePillDebate04/01/23 03:22 PM
4

What did I miss? I actually want to know.
/r/PurplePillDebate04/01/23 03:14 PM
4

This all sounds fine. Why would you sacrifice your agency for someone you don’t want?
/r/PurplePillDebate04/01/23 03:12 PM
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Thank you. I agree that a woman’s emotional maturity in a relationship can often go unnoticed, but usually these behaviors are corrected outside of them. The way people treat platonic partners is so different from romantic ones, that’s part of the problem. It seems like men talk about these unstable, mean woman a bit. The whole ‘don’t put dick in crazy’ comes to mind. But it suggests men will chose these partners regardless of how wild they are, or because of it because they associate it with go…
/r/PurplePillDebate04/01/23 03:04 PM
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Thank you for your take. I thought as much but appreciate your input.
/r/PurplePillDebate04/01/23 02:58 PM
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This is only a poignant thing to say if you devalue women who have had sex before meeting you. Some agree with you, most don’t. Just aim for women who meet this expectation. I know there are too little for your liking, but no one gets to demand that there are more people that they are compatible with. It’s an illogical ask.
/r/PurplePillDebate04/01/23 02:52 PM
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No they aren’t. I know you’re upset about women not meeting your standards, it sucks. But don’t just make up stuff because you’re sad.
/r/PurplePillDebate04/01/23 02:48 PM
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Genuinely, yes. I know many men who expect their partners to keep up good conversation, or reflect their education status. None of the highly educated men I know date women who aren’t. Neither men nor women bring anything to a relationship other than their time, attraction, bodies, and commitment. It’s such a bad question to ask, this isn’t a job interview. The men who ask these questions tend to think a paycheck is enough.
/r/PurplePillDebate03/01/23 08:11 PM
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Absolutely not. Men can be led anywhere based on the promise of pussy and the threat of ego.
/r/PurplePillDebate03/01/23 03:41 PM
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Many of us came to learn more about men. Which probably didn’t help the problem as much as we had hoped. The majority aren’t laughing at you, but you’ll never believe that.
/r/PurplePillDebate03/01/23 03:18 PM
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Yes. You overestimate a person’s ability to live without hope. BP as you describe does not exist, no one believes all of what you said to a point of absolution because the absolution itself is incorrect. RP fails to generate the momentum and influence to be useful because it is needlessly fatalistic and myopic. You think there’s some power in believing 80/20, beta bux, etc when it’s simply an infatuation with information that displeases you. Especially when considering the difference between RP …
/r/PurplePillDebate03/01/23 02:10 PM
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Purge made me realize this sub is less of a debate forum and more of a live demonstration. There isn’t a system for RP people and BP people to talk amongst themselves, it’s a place for non-RP/BP/misogynistic edge lords/misguided lonely men to come view why these people fall into the categories they do.
/r/PurplePillDebate03/01/23 12:47 PM
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Then I’m not sure who these memes are made for because none of them have to do about men or their attractiveness or agency in dating. They are only about demonizing women, fantasizing about their de-pedestalling, and robo-waifus. It’s hard to tell who’s posting what because it’s just misogynistic - no pills in sight.
/r/PurplePillDebate03/01/23 12:31 PM
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So do you think no men have an education requirement for their partners?
/r/PurplePillDebate02/01/23 07:53 AM
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Why are you so upset? It could be true, and I’d assume someone who’d write such a post would agree with me.
/r/PurplePillDebate02/01/23 07:21 AM
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Yes, probably. It’s a lack of exposure issue.
/r/PurplePillDebate02/01/23 07:20 AM
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There are black women who would love you, frfr. They may be in different circles than you though. I work in academia, usually very good institutions. The vast majority of black men I have met have a specific preference against black women, similar to the preference you see in your sampling of black women. There just needs to be more avenues for black people to intermingle, especially across economic and educational levels.
/r/PurplePillDebate31/12/22 06:15 PM
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Women don’t need to be empathetic to your position. Empathy is earned. So persists the cultural presumption of men being allowed to be terrible yet still better actors than women.
/r/PurplePillDebate31/12/22 06:09 PM
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And yall wonder why we’re leaving you behind and don’t care about your opinions.
/r/PurplePillDebate31/12/22 06:07 PM
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Understandable, but I think it’s ultimately unsustainable. Raw lust can be generated through physicality and personality in women. Men don’t want to believe this but it’s true. Personality just takes more time and isn’t conducive to lots of casual sex, which seems to be a great motivator for alot of men. And men know that being hot is not enough to get her to come talk with you. Maximum hotness will not cause women to enmass treat dudes like they treat women, which I think also frustrates men. B…
/r/PurplePillDebate31/12/22 06:05 PM
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If that’s all you want woman for, no one cares. Chase after women for their vaginas for the rest of your life bro, just don’t be suprised when you only find women who have nothing to offer but their vagina. Thats the rub, you get mad about finding the only thing you’re selecting for. Just pick something else. Women can want men for incidental, stupid, and dehumanizing things as well. Welcome to earth.
/r/PurplePillDebate31/12/22 05:56 PM
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👏🏿👏🏿👏🏿
/r/PurplePillDebate31/12/22 05:50 PM
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YES. I want to be here and talk about dating, I came to legitimately understand how things can be different and hurtful for men. But it’s very clear that any offered empathy, time, or consideration will not be reciprocated. If you say something that doesn’t amount to women being total, horrible monsters, they just presume you’re a woman. Its always, ‘ your argument is illogical’ or ‘you don’t use the same biased studies I use’ or ‘only my anecdotes matter’. So many here think I lack the capacity…
/r/PurplePillDebate31/12/22 05:46 PM
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Do you think average/below average men would do better in dating if they deprioritized white women? When I read about the women most PPD men base their ideas on, I can’t help but think they’re pretty much only talking about lack of access to white women. I wonder how many people here have a race-specific preference to dating that’s limiting them more than being ugly or short.
/r/PurplePillDebate31/12/22 05:37 PM
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It’s a preservation tactic much more than a disgust or dislike of other races. BW are taught to hold down and protect BM as much as they can. Coupled with a high sense of low interest outside of BM, alot of BW just presume it is their best bet to really just focus on BM. If WW were seen pretty universally as less attractive and feminine than all their female counterparts, and had a history of systemic prosecution of their male counterparts, they would probably do the same. Most people are taught…
/r/PurplePillDebate31/12/22 05:29 PM
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Anti-blackness is very real in the black community, especially in consideration of dating. Mixed women usually get preferential choice amongst all men as they aren’t dark, fulfill the common ‘exotic’ desire of non-black men, and still give black men the leverage of saying they’re with a black woman. It’s not a hate your race thing per say, just an overall sense of embarrassment because you’re aware of how everyone else expects you to be worth less, especially as a woman. I don’t think black men …
/r/PurplePillDebate31/12/22 05:25 PM
2

Is it worse to fail at one task or to fail at a plethora of tasks all at once?
/r/PurplePillDebate31/12/22 07:13 AM
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Like most times we discuss this, you’re mixing the requirements for sex and commitment to make the coveted ‘men great, woman bad’ shtick. Life partner my ass. Just because you prioritize nothing other than a woman’s tits and capacity to re-raise you and nothing else doesn’t mean women should change what they prioritize in men. Just because some men are hypersensitive to physicality doesn’t mean all are either. We don’t refuse to admit anything, we’re just embarrassed FOR YOU, and your horrible m…
/r/PurplePillDebate31/12/22 07:11 AM
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Black people can carry more fat without forfeiting health, especially African Americans. Thus why BW are much more likely to have the big booties so craved by men.
/r/PurplePillDebate31/12/22 06:25 AM
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I agree, though many brown and black women have their standards. I’m happy its up to discuss but its still kinda hard to look at.
/r/PurplePillDebate31/12/22 12:54 AM
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The view that men’s work frames the major accomplishments of the human race is incredibly slanted. Due to misogyny, the course of the human experience has greatly resembled an amoeba - it moves forward through mobile flagellum (affluent men) while being generated, fueled, and reinforced by many dynamic organelles (poor men and women). Its cool that a very select group of dudes got to use an abundance of other people’s time and resources to pull a much larger group of people in whatever direction…
/r/PurplePillDebate30/12/22 09:28 PM
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Completely agree. It’s why I believe women shouldn’t back down if their only critique is rudeness. We have a much higher expectation of civility for women and can push this expectation because we know women will care more about this accusation. We will also punish women more for being less agreeable, patient, or compassionate. That higher neuroticism is really the basis of most modern minoritization: question and scold them into submission, they already aren’t used to winning anyway.
/r/PurplePillDebate30/12/22 08:46 PM
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Red pill, at its purest and most original form, is incredibly illuminating. It seems to teach young men that romance and love follow the same unfair rules and standards of any other part of being alive. Because boys and girls and masculinity and femininity are so artificially opposed in our society, it forces us to create these ‘ideologies’ to teach young men how to operate given untold expectations. If anything, there should be a red pill for women, but there isn’t because of the incorrect assu…
/r/PurplePillDebate30/12/22 06:29 PM
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Men create the situations that allow women to make friends? Men create the social circles that allow women to be independent? How so? There are a plethora of other things women get from heterosexual relationships other than money. That position is very misandrist and dehumanizing to men. The thing we want is your heart and peace. We don’t get this, so we leave. The point is that women HAVE friendships, family, and social interactions that can substitute the appeal of sexual relationships with me…
/r/PurplePillDebate30/12/22 06:08 PM
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Then the wall exists for men AND women. Older men will struggle to date the younger women they desire every year they’re past 30. Men and women both age to shit, men sometimes worse because many don’t use skincare and women sometimes worse because they don’t exercise. Id argue the higher beauty standards will give women more momentum though. And the vast majority of dudes won’t make the money needed to continuously swing young - and those women don’t even like them so who’s winning here? Can we …
/r/PurplePillDebate30/12/22 05:56 PM
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Exactly. Maybe they see non-sexual creature comforts as immasculating because real men can never have peace 💯
/r/PurplePillDebate30/12/22 05:48 PM
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The current wall rhetoric is one aggressive conclusion from women’s earlier need to produce children to earn their keep, yes. Now that women can have children later, alone, or not at all and still be appreciated in their society, that observation about women’s fertility-anxiety has morphed into a psuedo-moralized position to keep women anxious.
/r/PurplePillDebate30/12/22 05:44 PM
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I think we’re all a bit sadder and more disenfranchised from each other these days. I’ve seen this statement alot, that women specifically are more distressed when we talk about the reality of men and women drifting from each other. Maybe so, but we definitely have better coping mechanisms. It’s not that women don’t desire or miss this companionship, they just know the juice often isn’t worth the squeeze and can appreciate it from many other fruits than sexual relationships with men. Women don’t…
/r/PurplePillDebate30/12/22 05:37 PM
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Niceness is the baseline for neutral conversation. By nice, most people refer to cordial behavior. Most people expect that from randoms they meet on the street or the people they share a street car with. On the level of personal interactions, it means almost nothing, especially if you’re looking for romance. Being overly cordial as a man makes women think you’re doing whatever you need to to appease her, which we distrust. It’s a red flag as it suggests you would bend your personality and percei…
/r/PurplePillDebate30/12/22 05:07 PM
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Yeah thanks man. Happy to be seen
/r/PurplePillDebate19/12/22 09:22 PM
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The population of women who have no N-count preference are vastly over represented to you because those are the female narratives that comfort your sensibilities most. Just like the opinions of men in the sub vastly over represented the population of men who think women hit a wall or that think fat women are inherently unattractive. We both know that people lie, but I can attempt to consider your perspective without presuming that you are. Just because you’ve interacted with female liars doesn’t…
/r/PurplePillDebate19/12/22 09:21 PM
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How can you not have one conversation about prior sexual experiences with someone? The reasonable way is to actually ask the question directly. If the assumption is that you can’t inherently trust whatever someone says to you, that’s valid, but a separate issue. You can use that as a metric if you want, but I promise you it’ll lead to you cutting out way more viable partners than you’re saving yourself from. Those studies don’t account for personal growth, context, or individual history. People …
/r/PurplePillDebate19/12/22 04:04 PM
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Let’s be specific with looks though. For most women I know, men need: Face = Affect and Personality > Confidence => Personal Drive/Occupation >> Body. Body can shift up depending on the woman herself and whether this is something casual or something longer term.
/r/PurplePillDebate19/12/22 03:53 PM
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It’s not a powerplay. Most men genuinely just don’t evoke an instant arousal based on looks. You just get confused on how that DOESNT immediately count you out because it would for some women with men. This is the truth - Yes, women are not inherently attracted to most men. 80/20 is probably pretty accurate, but 10% of that are just incredibly physically attractive men (the traditional Chad), while the other 10% fall within a given woman’s niche. This niche usually runs the full gambit of tradit…
/r/PurplePillDebate19/12/22 03:42 PM
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Bravo, great retort 👏🏿
/r/PurplePillDebate19/12/22 03:25 PM
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I thought men aimed for sexual relationships because they are ostensibly the only human interactions that are advertised to be loving, compassionate, and doting. The world is very cold to the male image, and the vast majority of men are told the only way they can find kindness is through their mothers and lovers.
/r/PurplePillDebate19/12/22 03:20 PM
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Exactly. People really should be aiming for independence above all. To love someone is to have the innate desire to compromise because such compromise is pleasurable to you and generates meaningful outcomes for both parties.
/r/PurplePillDebate19/12/22 03:16 PM
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Ok, thank you for sharing your perspective! I would imagine many more guys irl have the position you have - these girls are giving you what you want without heed, why hate them? I appreciate you answering my questions, NotARussianBot.
/r/PurplePillDebate19/12/22 02:20 PM
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Completely agree! Joining this sub has been so eye opening - I joined because I wanted to understand how some men see the world and these conversations really deliver. I’ve learned to take men more at their word because of it, its just a shame that many here don’t like the results.
/r/PurplePillDebate19/12/22 02:15 PM
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Interesting. Just to make sure I understand you, essentially you don’t trust the scruples of a woman who sleep with men who are exclusively more attractive than you? Again, if a woman slept with NO chads, is she still a slut? And is it the approach of most men to date the girl who they ultimately deem as their best lay?
/r/PurplePillDebate19/12/22 02:02 PM
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^^^ yes, thank you Chad. Both men and women are being disenfranchised by the diminishing sack of goods the other gender is offering them in the modern day. Men want women to be chaste, inexperienced, and totally receptive to whatever they have to offer but women have realized they have better leverage thus can demand things like respect. Women want men who will dote on them and satisfy their emotional, sexual, and financial needs but men have realized that the ‘service to servitude’ pipeline can…
/r/PurplePillDebate19/12/22 01:51 PM
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So it’s ok to sleep around if it’s not with Chads? Like you don’t consider your girlfriend a slut, essentially, because she is willing to sleep with a guy like you? And do you not compare her to other women you’ve slept with? Do men not have some understanding of their best lays?
/r/PurplePillDebate19/12/22 01:43 PM
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Genuinely, what is the nuance? If this was any other scenario, the ‘this behavior is diminishing unless you do it for me’ position is usually seen as morally questionable. Would you respect a woman who was anti-tradmen/provider until she met a guy who was willing to take care of her? Would you not be disgusted by her hypocrisy?
/r/PurplePillDebate19/12/22 01:39 PM
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Why can you disprove my position for being an anecdote with a series of anecdotes? And you misunderstand their position - they don’t care about the n-count inherently thus they prioritize attractiveness. If the same question was posed without their ranking, responses would be different. Alot of women care about their n-count but not a man’s because they know their count will be marked against them. It’s a protective behavior rather than a lack of care for their partner. And didn’t I say these wo…
/r/PurplePillDebate19/12/22 01:34 PM
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But you generalized too. You said it would be far from the truth in a way that implies all people that make that defense have your position. Sounds like you both know thats not true.
/r/PurplePillDebate19/12/22 12:17 AM
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Thank you. It’s incredibly inappropriate to use population trends to determine individual behaviors. Idk why some people think they’re benefiting themselves by living by stats of global behavior instead of just…communicating with and understanding their own partners. Certainly adds to the widespread disillusion here.
/r/PurplePillDebate19/12/22 12:13 AM
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It’s not that you can’t be insecure, it’s that this isn’t a good enough threshold to end/reject a relationship over. If a woman you’d want had even had such an experience, you’re more than likely just competing with herself and her vibrator tbh. You greatly underestimate the pleasure women experience with doing anything with someone they care about vs some random guy. 9 times out of 10, a big dick, some cool techniques or a hot bod will not overcome the benefit of care, warmth, and familiarity. …
/r/PurplePillDebate18/12/22 10:17 PM
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Thank god for this. A good response.
/r/PurplePillDebate18/12/22 09:54 PM
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Y’all keep saying that women don’t care but they very much do. For every random promiscuous famous man who women can’t keep their hands off of, there is an equal female equivalent. I don’t think many people want to prioritize a relationship with a 30+ n-PERSON, it’s a cope to believe these low n-count women you desire would desire you if you also aren’t low. Please stop saying that women don’t care - there are definitely those that don’t, but it’s probably close to the same amount that men don’t…
/r/PurplePillDebate18/12/22 09:51 PM
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Fair. There’s gotta be a population of monogamous people who maybe shouldn’t be. I do think the relative challenge of committing to one partner may attract some people to monogamy more. Whether or not they’d be more satisfied with multiple partners, they reap more meaning from the effort and desire to attempt commitment than the outcome.
/r/PurplePillDebate16/12/22 07:39 PM
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You do indeed make those accusations in the comments though.
/r/PurplePillDebate16/12/22 06:43 PM
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Your use of quotations around monogamous but not poly is hilarious. You can do whatever you want, but’s wild to be so certain of your perspective that you actually believe everyone who isn’t doing what you’re doing is lying to themselves. Monogamy and polygamy are equally valid and real. Some people cheat, but I don’t think polygamy would be a solution to that problem the majority of the time. I hear many more poly people trying to fight against this stereotype of lack of commitment, so this is …
/r/PurplePillDebate16/12/22 06:42 PM
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A lot of dudes slouch. There are an invariably many people I’ve met who were 3+ inches taller than I thought because of this. I wonder if it adds to the problem.
/r/PurplePillDebate15/12/22 11:45 PM
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Yes. Exactly. It’s very clear that when men here talk about women, they mean skinny white women. Do I mean fit white men when I say men? No, I don’t think so.
/r/PurplePillDebate15/12/22 11:35 PM
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I feel like your last paragraph highlights the assumption burden that men put on women here though. You all presume we have it much better in every category when it simplifies isn’t true. Women struggle in many of the same categories as men here, we just don’t demand the space to complain. I understand that men have a very hard time, but tbh alot of it is self generated, especially if you’re talking about the average man who surfs this sub. Since this is a place of debate, we expect men to treat…
/r/PurplePillDebate14/12/22 04:26 AM
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What she’s saying is that is nearly impossible for women to debate on this debate sub because they will almost only receive bad faith arguments. A man can say A = confirmation from other men. A woman will say A = vitriolic retorts and denial. We see it all the time. A man can use anecdotes and because many men are familiar with them, will be accepted as fact. A woman cannot do the same without being called a liar, outlier, or simply too ugly to truthfully comment. Even here, men will jump to say…
/r/PurplePillDebate13/12/22 02:30 PM
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Good on you. The majority of men on this sub are bad faith discussants, especially when they know they’re talking to women.
/r/PurplePillDebate13/12/22 02:22 PM
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You are society. A form of ‘crushing force’ would be not engaging with these articles.
/r/PurplePillDebate13/12/22 01:45 PM
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Honestly love this for you. I hope you find someone you like.
/r/PurplePillDebate06/12/22 09:47 PM
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What? No, not at all. Sports games, friendly events and dinners, and dancing with friends all exist mate.
/r/PurplePillDebate06/12/22 08:30 PM
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There’s got to be some truth to this. Everyone here is afraid of being hurt in ways they HEAR other people speak about. Or have rationalized themselves into a position of anxiety where they’re only seeing what they want, which is assumed defeat. It’s quite sad.
/r/PurplePillDebate30/11/22 03:38 PM
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Mechanisizing and ‘rationalizing’ human desire allows them to feign stability and a degree of assurance that soothes this anxiety. It’s male-centric cope dressed in garments called ‘logic’ and shitty statistics.
/r/PurplePillDebate30/11/22 03:34 PM
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Thank you for this response. If you have any time to consider - Why are men so afraid of being judged by women? And why do you presume lack of judgement only comes from inexperience? Do you have any ideas on why the impact of other men has such an effect on women?
/r/PurplePillDebate29/11/22 07:10 PM
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Two things. 1) That’s only from your perspective - there is a population of those women you don’t care about who cared about YOU, which is it’s own whole dynamic. Irl, there’s probably an equal cost burden between the genders here. 2) Given the virtue signaling, you should only respect that woman for waiting. The fact that your mind jumps to deceit and lack of sex when you hear this instead of believing her, tells us the priority is not actually on the moral or logistical good of her celibacy. Y…
/r/PurplePillDebate29/11/22 06:46 PM
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Always? Really?
/r/PurplePillDebate29/11/22 04:11 PM
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The only arousal killers for men maybe. Lack of communication is absolutely an arousal killer for women at least, full stop. There doesn’t need to be another person, and you don’t have to get ugly. I promise you will see your relationships die if you keep this perspective.
/r/PurplePillDebate29/11/22 04:04 PM
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Ooo! Tea - why don’t we talk about men’s ability to bond? Seems many here think it goes against their nature.
/r/PurplePillDebate27/11/22 12:11 AM
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No problem, just telling.
/r/PurplePillDebate26/11/22 11:43 PM
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Exactly. It’s like when poor people support low taxes because they hope one day to be rich. More likely than not, these dudes aren’t those guys.
/r/PurplePillDebate26/11/22 09:07 PM
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Maybe, but it’s increasingly small. The ‘value’ these men generate are all self serving. You really think the types of women who are pulling away from male companionship would be more enticed by this? If anything, you’ll be pulling from the same pool of trad women (if not smaller) while diluting the pool for your comrades. The reality is you probably won’t be the guy who would benefit from this setup, you just hope you will be.
/r/PurplePillDebate26/11/22 09:05 PM
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Why polygyny vs polygamy? Are you threatened by your wives taking on other partners?
/r/PurplePillDebate26/11/22 08:59 PM
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Every time I say something like this on this sub, a man will respond with essentially your response. I understand that the manosphere functions to optimize men’s interactions with women. The point is that you shouldn’t have to perform to get that. I read your response as not saying I’m wrong, but that my approach won’t get you what you want. When you don’t do the trad male things, you’re alone and it hurts. I think I recognized that in my response - if anything we are agreeing with each other. A…
/r/PurplePillDebate21/11/22 01:39 AM
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Thank you for the reply. I always come to this place of deeply resenting our gender and sex dynamics because I see much more similarities between myself as a woman and most of the men I know when we allow ourselves to disengage from our gender expectations. The majority of the men I know are lovely, affable people who I can understand, but it’s more likely than not that our few disagreements arise not from their inherent masculinity, but what they think they need to do to be observably masculine…
/r/PurplePillDebate21/11/22 01:23 AM
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Amazing response, I feel very similar on many fronts. It perplexes and saddens me that the drive for sex is so guttural, persistent, and all encompassing to the point of sacrificing your own independence and personal agency to achieve it. And as you said, if men believe themselves to be the true logical, stable, and reasonable agents they claim to be within masculinity, why is this the hill they always seem to be killed on? Especially considering that most men would still feel unfulfilled if ALL…
/r/PurplePillDebate20/11/22 09:29 PM
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You read all of that, and this is what you had to say? Y’all have given up before you started and it shows.
/r/PurplePillDebate20/11/22 04:38 PM
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It’s not your fault because you’re a man, it’s your fault because you can identify specifically harmful thought processes about women and yet still refuse to dismantle them. Everyone is fed shit at some point in their lives, thats not your fault, but its up to you to spit it out.
/r/PurplePillDebate20/11/22 04:27 PM
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Your reaction to her position, if you were truly a sexually independent man, should be solidarity. You’re instead placing women in a negative position, instead of realizing that men and women equally don’t need each other. This is the problem with MGTOW. You haven’t really removed yourself from the sexual aggression of the dating world; your ‘independence’ is more of a performative punishment for women. Like you’ve only come to this conclusion that you don’t need women because you were let down …
/r/PurplePillDebate13/11/22 02:43 PM
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Very true. Many women learn quickly that incredibly attractive men need to be avoided at all costs.
/r/PurplePillDebate13/11/22 02:29 PM
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Thank you for trying; these dudes are just so disillusioned. See how angry he got when you disagreed with him? Immediate aggression and cursing. Always what happens when you counter them, and they still believe they’re being reasonable and logical.
/r/PurplePillDebate13/11/22 02:21 PM
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This is more of a rejection of correcting it, not the idea itself.
/r/PurplePillDebate07/11/22 06:36 PM
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Then let us go. Please. No one - man or woman - should put up with relationships that are burdensome. I believe in you.
/r/PurplePillDebate07/11/22 06:29 PM
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These are good thoughts, I wish you could share more.
/r/PurplePillDebate07/11/22 04:19 PM
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Below average != disgusted. That’s a wild jump.
/r/PurplePillDebate07/11/22 03:48 PM
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Women are not spoiled for choice, and neither should men. I think we see relationships as a want, a luxury, but men see it as a need. No matter what helps you sleep at night, being big, strong, rich and loud is not enough to get you a girlfriend in most cases. Or it is, but you’d probably not like her because she only cares about you being rich and big. Thus generating many of y’all’s perceptions of women’s shallowness imo. The frustrating thing is, the plethora of men who will not meet a given …
/r/PurplePillDebate07/11/22 03:42 PM
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Yes, but no one would have sex with someone they don’t want to, early or not. You’re telling me you wouldn’t change your habits to engage an attractive mate? You buy the same volume of drinks and chitchat all girls equally because of logical consistency? Plus, if we are to take any of the advice thrown around this sub, women should be taking early sex-talk as a red flag. It’s a pretty big indicator we’re in line to be ‘pumped and dumped’ right? Stop vilifying us for being reasonable, it’s so fru…
/r/PurplePillDebate07/11/22 03:20 PM
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The evidence is that it makes them feel better when they believe they never had a chance to begin with. The most important source of course!
/r/PurplePillDebate07/11/22 03:15 PM
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Most women would agree with you.
/r/PurplePillDebate07/11/22 03:09 PM
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So you’re telling me having alot of something that isn’t ideal for you is a bad thing? As in, an abundance of options is not automatically a privilege?
/r/PurplePillDebate04/11/22 03:04 PM
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Thank you for trying in this thread, I completely agree with you. These dudes run from any meaningful conversation or points that don’t support their narrative. Almost every time I’ve attempted to discuss things with men here, they get immediately tight, deflective and defensive. It feels exhausting to try to bridge the gap.
/r/PurplePillDebate01/11/22 04:50 PM
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The amount of people who accept empathy here is vanishingly small though. I find most empathetic positions offered here are shot down.
/r/PurplePillDebate01/11/22 04:42 PM
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Yes. We listen and offer advice, but because it doesn’t equate to ‘sure, I’ll subdue all my standards and dreams to be the performative wife-mother you were promised’, we have no sympathy for them, didn’t understand what they said, or are lying. These conversations only go as far as both parties are willing to discuss in good faith.
/r/PurplePillDebate01/11/22 04:28 PM
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Because it’s much harder to find a partner making exactly what you make vs a person who can engage in general self care. Straight men absolutely enter relationships presuming their partners will take over their home upkeep overtime, regardless of how much they make relative to each other. Personally, I think both people in a partnership should contribute equally to feeding, clothing and cleaning up after themselves. If there’s such a wild economic disparity, just pay someone to cover their porti…
/r/PurplePillDebate01/11/22 03:39 PM
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Women would probably care if they had the social leverage to do so. And men can have that expectation because they know enough women will work to meet it.
/r/PurplePillDebate01/11/22 01:42 PM
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You’re confusing sexual leverage and social leverage. Men need to be hot to have sex, women need to be hot to eat.
/r/PurplePillDebate01/11/22 01:37 PM
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I agree with you; a stable man’s capacity for affection is quite special. Part of the reason why I’d prefer male affection, when it’s in place it’s unmoving and complete. But I do think women’s disgust with men can be remedied and is mostly socially artificial, which gives me hope.
/r/PurplePillDebate01/11/22 01:17 PM
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I believe you. You didn’t list anything that you want women to do, so I presume you’re trying to convey that many people still have arbitrary expectations of men. There are women who don’t care about those things, and you can do more to advocate for your non-physical skillsets. I know, I know, if you do that you won’t get sex, but maybe it’s more important to advocate for your personhood here. You clearly don’t like having to be responsible for that unrelated nonsense and you wish women still ha…
/r/PurplePillDebate30/10/22 08:24 PM
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I don’t think I did, and I’m genuinely perplexed by your response. The point is that having a pickup and big guns doesn’t correlate to a compatible partner. Do you think its good or right thing that men have to enter relationships as if they’re contractors? Why is reliance a purely physical matter to you? If you actually think a dude’s ability to mow lawns is the foundation for a longterm, romantic relationship, what are the tasks you’d imagine women would do, if they were as helpful as you say …
/r/PurplePillDebate30/10/22 07:57 PM
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Does the sub find posts like this to be useful at all? Like, they’re just incredibly inflammatory and frankly hard to debate since it’s such a bad-faith position. Do men here feel more empowered convincing themselves they’re attracted to robots or?
/r/PurplePillDebate30/10/22 06:51 PM
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Obesity is not the relationship-killer we love to say it is. I find this especially true amongst women. Push comes to shove, most people can overlook weight for companionship. To think that the chaddiest men (the men who get the most frequent and/or novel sex) are automatically the most fit has never been true, but we say it is to make ourselves feel better.
/r/PurplePillDebate30/10/22 06:37 PM
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My point is that you shouldn’t be making a task-based value judgment on what people should ‘provide’ in a relationship. Men CAN do all those things, which women can also do if they have functioning arms and legs. The rest are temperament-based assumptions that vary based on the individual. Just because men can do those things doesn’t make them a requirement for your entry into a relationship. I recognize that you may have been told that those are hard requirements, but they aren’t and frankly ha…
/r/PurplePillDebate30/10/22 06:28 PM
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What do men contribute to romantic relationships other than sex? What is there to contribute to an otherwise independent, functioning adult other than sex and attention?
/r/PurplePillDebate30/10/22 03:18 PM
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No, that’s like, the point of companionship. You can and should do all those things, and women do them all the time. Maybe we aren’t as directive to SAY we’re making friends to literally achieve that, but we reap those benefits, yes. I’ve always been a big believer that the best friendships are very similar to romantic relationships, sin the sex and commitment.
/r/PurplePillDebate30/10/22 03:06 PM
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Why do you think she only said no because you’re unattractive? What if she just doesn’t want to see anyone? I don’t find any of my male friends to be unattractive or undatable, I’m just not interested. This is the product of men putting too much self worth on their sexual prowess. Someone saying no to your penis doesn’t make you unattractive nor them unable to be attracted to your personhood. Just because physical attraction is the main motivator of your interactions with women doesn’t make the …
/r/PurplePillDebate30/10/22 02:56 PM
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Women do have a dating advantage now, for the first time in human history. Its a recent development, but an important one. I think women react poorly to mens wants because you often want things that would reduce a woman’s agency for your comforts. Like if you’re the type of guy who’d like to have alot of casual hookups before settling with a girl whose had very few, that ask is unrealistic because your asking for two different behaviors at the same time. Coupled with the demonization of women wh…
/r/PurplePillDebate30/10/22 02:44 PM
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This is interesting because I would presume the best romantic relationships are just that - a friendship with sex and more commitment. What do you wish they were doing that they aren’t, and what would you describe as the ideal differences between a female friend and a girlfriend other than sex?
/r/PurplePillDebate30/10/22 02:31 PM
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The problem is point 1 is probably why point 2 exists. Also don’t really understand how point 1 could be this massive problem if you actually do what OP said, which is foster legitimate platonic relationships.
/r/PurplePillDebate30/10/22 02:28 PM
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I’m really sorry this happened, but I’m happy you have the resources now. Therapy is too hit or miss, especially considering how hard it is for men to take themselves there. Thank you for trying again for yourself.
/r/PurplePillDebate30/10/22 02:20 PM
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This is true, but these are inter- and intra-personal skills men need to learn and reinforce with each other. Women cannot do all the emotional labor required to free men from their own minds - in fact, the men who need this most are probably the least likely to use any resource provided by women. The truth is that to change this, men will need to take the reigns and lead the effort much more than they currently do. Its certainly a cultural change, absolutely, but men should also be enacting the…
/r/PurplePillDebate30/10/22 02:18 PM
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Men do need to do more to undo masculinity, but a ton of women drink the kool-aid too. They make fun of men who react to strongly to pain, mothers don’t teach their sons basic skills, and women expect their male partners to handle every ebb of their wild behavior. Both parties could improve here.
/r/PurplePillDebate30/10/22 06:35 AM
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Definitely - men want families because the drive for offspring is universal. I do think we as women need to have more conversations about what we are asking from our men. We know how much they want us, we need to be fairer here.
/r/PurplePillDebate30/10/22 06:31 AM
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Yes, but everyone wants to be desired. Wanting attention is not the moral failing men make it out to be. The point is only the most attractive (physically AND personably) people could change these women’s behavior - modern women work to this benefit but men do not. Thus we seek more want-based relationships than need-based, which seem the healthiest to me. Men should feel the flexibility to engage in behavior that doesn’t attract women, that’s the point. Men can be and do and be valid while bein…
/r/PurplePillDebate30/10/22 06:27 AM
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But men aren’t capable of unconditional love either! Men leave when women get too fat, too sick, or too sexless - they often do this by throwing the relationship so its no longer mutually compatible. Why do/should men care if they can’t do it either?
/r/PurplePillDebate30/10/22 05:42 AM
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The point is always to construe sexual access and relationship status so much that you can deflect behind either when its suits you. I love hearing men say they really just want love, but all their behaviors, interpretations and ultimate goals only lead to the most casual, random sex as possible. Men definitely don’t want to be alone, but they want to aim for copious sex at the same time and those cannot be achieved at the same time in most cases.
/r/PurplePillDebate30/10/22 05:39 AM
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Both. Men get their feelings hurt all the time, to the same degree that would make a woman change her pace or perspective, but men do nothing about it. They don’t recognize something harmed them and think this recognition is the true assault. This is reinforced and encouraged by everyone around them, men and women. I honestly think men and women have the same capacity to be shaken and distressed, its just that men’s coping mechanisms are all essentially the same two things - pretend it didn’t ha…
/r/PurplePillDebate30/10/22 12:13 AM
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For real. And they don’t recognize how traumatic of thing this could be.
/r/PurplePillDebate29/10/22 11:24 PM
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‘Behaving like women’ is interesting. I think women resent men who think what they want is femininity when what the are asking for is respect. I also think men are sold a false script on what ‘real women’ are, thus seek out stereotypes of women more than women themselves. We’re just humans with vaginas who can’t run as fast. As you’re just a human who can’t carry children. The expectations of behavior above that are what gets us all in trouble.
/r/PurplePillDebate29/10/22 11:14 PM
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Your second paragraph is very illuminating as a woman. If boys believe that women and men want the same things from each other at the exact same rate AND view the way men will pine for the randomest of women, I could see many becoming disenfranchised in themselves and women if they can’t achieve their desires. Like if it really is the same both ways and women get all this attention, there must be something very wrong with a man who gets none. I think over-emphasizing the importance and benefit o…
/r/PurplePillDebate29/10/22 11:06 PM
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Three for me. Men think they are far more diplomatic, logical, and apathetic than they really are. So much of the criticism leveraged at women here seems to be just normative, unreliable, and selfish human behavior. The genuine disquiet that sexlessness generates in men. I don’t think there is anything that would make me do half of the things men would do to get laid. It’s actually a bit sad and scary to me. I believe you all, but its distressing. I genuinely don’t think men have a good gauge fo…
/r/PurplePillDebate29/10/22 10:59 PM
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Men over-emphasize women’s emotional stress and de-emphasize their own. There are just as many sad men, and they’re probably just as sad, but they either don’t communicate that displeasure or do so much differently.
/r/PurplePillDebate29/10/22 10:48 PM
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Exactly. And this de-emphasis of female pleasure in relationships generates those women-leading divorces statistics that they hate. Maybe thinking of relationships as less of a game to horde ‘social points’ and more like intimate human interactions would lead to ones that actually last.
/r/PurplePillDebate29/10/22 10:43 PM
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You only listed male-drawbacks that correspond to the end of a marriage, not its generation or continuation. Are there any other drawbacks during its duration? Genuinely curious.
/r/PurplePillDebate29/10/22 10:28 PM
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This very much. I understand women’s hesitance to be direct and clear, but if you’re seeing someone longer term you have to be responsible for opening your mouth.
/r/PurplePillDebate29/10/22 10:21 PM
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Thank you for the effort you’re putting into this wisdom. Taking the words out of my mouth rn.
/r/PurplePillDebate28/10/22 10:42 PM
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You’re confused. Men have been at a position of disproportional privilege - the male gaze colorizes most things, thus systems inherently work to your preferences. Feminism was an attempt to undo the universal gaze = male gaze to a more universal gaze = sex-neutral gaze. The unfairness men register now is simply getting less of what you want, a compromising position women have been sold for generations. Men’s helpings always came from womens plates, now we both get more equal portions. You just h…
/r/PurplePillDebate28/10/22 10:09 PM
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It always is. Whenever these dudes say they crave affection, time or companionship, its a dog whistle for as much meaningless sex as possible. Its sad.
/r/PurplePillDebate28/10/22 10:01 PM
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So its not ok to have sex for…personal pleasure as a woman??? I’m so confused. Positions like this are what make women disengage - a few materialistic women is enough to make such harsh, wildly inaccurate criticisms of our behavior. Like no, the majority of women do not have sex only for resources. And having sex periodically for resources wouldn’t remove your capacity to do so out of love. I don’t why you want to believe this, I really don’t.
/r/PurplePillDebate28/10/22 12:04 AM
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No its that y’all can only see a given woman’s position as an extreme. The way you talk about women having physical preferences as if it’s immoral or something. Women won’t admit this shit because - 1) They don’t need to explain themselves and neither do men, though it seems quite popular amongst men to demand other people accept/validate your preferences 2) They know anything they say will be taken in the worst context by men who aren’t asking in good faith. Why is it deflection if they just do…
/r/PurplePillDebate27/10/22 09:59 PM
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It’s very well articulated, it’s just a ‘crazy’ notion -specifically here -that a person find their mate physically attractive. Everyone deserves that, no matter what’s between your legs.
/r/PurplePillDebate22/10/22 10:05 PM
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I just don’t understand why you think spending time with a potential partner doesn’t matter. I’m sorry that you ran into too many women who made you feel undervalued and unwanted, but I promise women can sense that mentality and will avoid you like the plague. It’s very clear that the monetary benefits men provide are losing value in the modern dating scene. There are more women than ever who don’t care about a man’s wallet. Do you think there could be a reason why you find yourself mostly pursu…
/r/PurplePillDebate22/10/22 09:58 PM
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Very articulate, thank you.
/r/PurplePillDebate21/10/22 06:14 PM
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Doesn’t negate pretty privilege. I’ve always thought people’s intense animosity towards fatness was just equal helpings of self hatred and fear of impressing others. Fat people do much better than we’d all like to believe because it matters less than we wish it did.
/r/PurplePillDebate21/10/22 05:53 PM
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What many men don’t understand is that women fantasize about romantic INTENSITY - the feeling that your partner has such a deep desire for YOU (and just you, most importantly) that it manifests in things like deep loyalty and voracious intimacy. The amazing thing about men is that they are more head-strong and sexually intense from the jump. Thus if a woman is looking for someone to provide the intensity she longs, men are a good place to start. When men suggest women can get what they need from…
/r/PurplePillDebate21/10/22 05:36 PM
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Do you really believe this? Like honestly? Or is it just a conclusion you’ve come to because you’ve been disappointed repeatedly and this line of thinking provides more meaning than thinking you just struck out too many times? Please don’t read this as an offense, its a legitimate question. Because I think we both know this isn’t literally true, but it’s comforting. But I do think it puts you in a position to not recognize when people don’t meet this expectation. So the women who could love you …
/r/PurplePillDebate21/10/22 05:14 PM
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You know, you’re right. Women have a fantastic and mostly easy time achieving orgasm on their own. Under most conditions of heterosexual sex, a woman will not. So, women choose to forgo sex to just do it themselves. Maybe there are reasons why the addition of a man makes orgasm much harder.
/r/PurplePillDebate21/10/22 05:06 PM
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Thank you for posing this question, but these replies make me genuinely sad. I can think of so many reasons why I love men and want them to prosper. Oof city out here.
/r/PurplePillDebate17/10/22 02:43 PM
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Thank you so much! I don’t know if I think women are ‘failing’ here; it’s literally a difference in perspective that isn’t truly understood. I would argue that your confidence in your conjectures is part of the dynamic I spoke of before - yes you’re covering alot of ground, but you’ll still be unable to account for a ton of counter cases because your assumptions don’t fit or fit too well. But alas. The socialization point is hard - the neurology of an individual is directly affected by their int…
/r/PurplePillDebate16/10/22 08:37 PM
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Tea - most men I have known respond poorly to forwardness. And I’ve always been scolded for not taking a man’s money on a first date. Mixed signals are real.
/r/PurplePillDebate15/10/22 11:07 PM
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Completely agree - socialization is a hell of a drug and it hurts men much more in dating than women. Women’s standards only seem high because we are more willing to ascend the sexual standard. I want this so badly for men as well, but maybe its harder because the socialization is much more limiting for men and you still get too much social capital for engaging in it.
/r/PurplePillDebate15/10/22 08:28 PM
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I really appreciate your perspective here, I’m happy you shared it. I see your position quite often here and hear it in real life from men - this position that women do not speak ‘logistically’ or ‘rationally’ about their desires in relation to men. It’s interesting because I think many women would say the same about men but for different reasons. From my view, It often seems men chose not to contextualize details and greatly undervalue their own emotions when stating what they believe to be ‘fa…
/r/PurplePillDebate15/10/22 08:03 PM
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…those are probably the only true requirements of a relationship right? Your (and the common use) of provide in this sub seems to refer to physical and structural means only, which I’ve always never understood. The social-material goods men traditionally provide were the sole compromises for women to encourage marriage - agreements that often require much from the woman, but do provide her access to social welfare she was unable to achieve on her own. Long term, sexually-committed relationships …
/r/PurplePillDebate13/10/22 08:35 PM
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Ooo get em! This is so on point and often lost in this sub; a tragedy of the no race talk I presume.
/r/PurplePillDebate13/10/22 08:23 PM
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Awesome response and agreed. Thank you for sharing!
/r/PurplePillDebate13/10/22 08:03 PM
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Beautifully stated, thank you for sharing!
/r/PurplePillDebate13/10/22 08:01 PM
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HAHA WHAT??? Do you read this sub?? That is THE MOST common talking point about women on here, other than how disgusting older women are. Like be for real please.
/r/PurplePillDebate13/10/22 01:40 PM
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Your last sentence addresses the concerns of your post - IDK how you think older women wouldn’t have all the insecurities and baggage they have when you are screaming how little you value them due to age. Your perspective is literally creating your reality - old women are bitter because 1) they are never that old to begin with and 2) men love to tell them how little they prefer them because of the presumption of lost looks and extra ‘baggage’. I’m sure you can recognize that continual negative r…
/r/PurplePillDebate12/10/22 08:37 PM
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Thank you for stating this - this is the hard place I always reach when having discussions on this sub. If we just take what these dudes say head-on, there are very few reasons for women to value, trust, or respect heterosexual men. Like, if we don’t counter with ‘no, you’re just appealing to socialization’ or ‘other guys get this but you don’t’ or ‘biology is not enough of a reason to be an ass’, then we’re just left with this reality where men only value looks, youth, sex, and each other. Why …
/r/PurplePillDebate12/10/22 07:11 PM
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*have sex with, and we know what little that actually means. Also, if thats the only aspect of woman privilege, its pretty shoddy in comparison to the benefits of having a penis.
/r/PurplePillDebate12/10/22 04:54 PM
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I’m sorry, but you’re just using an insanely misinformed view of viral biology to substantiate a disdain for sex-regular women. You don’t think men don’t get STDs??? Your body is perpetually covered in germs and most don’t do anything or even help you.
/r/PurplePillDebate11/10/22 12:41 PM
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They may not be willing to run the race, but they’re definitely still looking for a prize. I have not met a man who was choosing to be alone and there doesn’t seem to be a higher propensity of purposeful celibacy amongst men who don’t take care of themselves. So I don’t quite buy this unfortunately. Theres also the element of interpreting self care as a purely performative act here (because why would no one giving you attention change your requirement to groom?). This is a difference of perspect…
/r/PurplePillDebate07/10/22 07:44 PM
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We don’t need men, but we want men. Desperately. Just like men want women. That’s why they cry, they know being needed means nothing in comparison to desire. To choose to be there instead of being required to be. No one wants to be alone, men are just taught to show their distraught differently I think. And most women would agree with you on the last point - I figure it should be the standard for everyone. This principle is what makes us seem so picky in comparison.
/r/PurplePillDebate07/10/22 07:33 PM
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No they literally won’t haha. This is the coldest take on this sub - its the same studies with the same tired conclusions and pessimism.
/r/PurplePillDebate03/10/22 11:11 PM
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I don’t understand why there’s any appeal in staying in a marriage just for statistics sake. Men and women end relationships because they’re not happy and that’s truly not any of our business, their reasons are their reasons. We like to make a big fuss here about women initiating divorce more/most divorces end due to money, generating the perfect ‘woman bad’ argument to dissuade men in even assuming marriage to be an option for you. If that’s how you want to take that, fine. You don’t have to, b…
/r/PurplePillDebate28/09/22 02:38 PM
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How you gonna tell her to go look at a graph to determine her personal preferences when she just told you??? The use of half-assed studies to speak over things people can tell you directly about themselves is crazy here. Its a TREND not a RULE, and a biased trend at that.
/r/PurplePillDebate27/09/22 09:08 PM
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I’d bet my left titty that a man hired her to do that because he knows how men work. Its economics bb, and we know how much yall value money.
/r/PurplePillDebate27/09/22 08:57 PM
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We both know the vast majority of partnered men do not fit that description and will never need to. Its a difference in fantasy expectations - women want, men demand.
/r/PurplePillDebate27/09/22 08:43 PM
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I truly don’t think women enjoy promiscuous men as much as men think. We probably find them as gross as you find the same type of woman (though I suspect the n needed to call a woman easy is much lower than that for a man), we just know we don’t have the right to DEHUMANIZE them because of their actions. If given the choice, most women would pick a less promiscuous man because we think you won’t cheat and actually value the female bodies you come across. It’s not life, its men demanding fantasy …
/r/PurplePillDebate27/09/22 08:40 PM
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Exactly. Men will bend over backwards to call a girl living her life an object, used, disgusting, worthless, unlovable, less than human. Women befriend, love, marry, and appreciate short men everyday. Men feel entitled to their fantasies in a way women don’t seem to. It’s infuriating.
/r/PurplePillDebate27/09/22 08:35 PM
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Honestly find virgin men are better in bed, because they haven’t generated a habit of prioritizing their needs over their partners in bed. They want to learn and are open to finding ways to please much more. Or they are at the very least as good as promiscuous men. Perhaps the only difference is how long they last, but that can easily be improved with time ☺️
/r/PurplePillDebate27/09/22 08:31 PM
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None of those things are directly tied to confidence, nor in any way define confidence. Thats like saying men want women who are better strategic planners because they want a woman to cook, clean, and manage the house.
/r/PurplePillDebate27/09/22 08:21 PM
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If he actually wants long-lasting, sustainable love over sex, why is he a higher flight risk if he has less casual sex? I don’t know if you can assert both at the same time without it being a ‘have your cake and eat it too’. This is what perplexes women, men say they want love then do as much as they can to run from it. As often said here about women - I don’t give a crap about what men say, its what they do that counts.
/r/PurplePillDebate27/09/22 04:14 PM
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Yes, there are. Women just often use material that men don’t respect because its at their expense. Besides, men are very apt to select against humor in women because y’all often weight all things under looks. Its strange to me that I here this complaint often (boring women) but in the same breath hear men say how little they care about a woman’s education, hobbies, or career. Can’t win for losing.
/r/PurplePillDebate21/09/22 12:00 AM
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It is WILD that total societal collapse is attractive SPECIFICALLY because it would make women beholden to men again. This is why yall stay alone, who would put up with this sad mindset??
/r/PurplePillDebate19/09/22 12:45 PM
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I love how there’s only two states for women here - incredibly high standards that are unrealistic or riding a ‘cock carousel’. That disjointed view of women’s sexual behavior is exactly why you struggle. You know what most women’s ‘unreasonable standards’ is simply not thinking about women like you do? The standards are not too high man, we just want general attraction, effort, and human respect, but there are too many deeply hurt men who refuse to see beyond their own insecurities and needs to…
/r/PurplePillDebate19/09/22 12:37 PM
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Bro, you are really angry with women and that makes me sad. Women wear makeup to cover flaws and make themselves more attractive (to themselves or men, doesn’t matter). Men could easily do the same thing to accentuate their masculine features, but men have been convinced that makeup is feminine. Calling makeup a bigger farce than exercise (using your metrics of purposefully/artificially changing yourself to appear healthier) seems wild since you can wash off makeup easier than you can remove ste…
/r/PurplePillDebate15/09/22 05:10 PM
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