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Bluepill just something redpill has created as an imaginary opponent. The only real answer to this is, "whatever it is you, as a redpiller, want to challenge and/or use to strengthen your most recent redpill talking point."
/r/PurplePillDebate05/12/13 07:03 AM
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Counter point to the joke, yeah, but unless I was trying to break your entire point on a detail, I don't see how it matters if I was pedantic. It's silly and ironic, and I slipped up, but doesn't mean anything except that I have a habit of being particular about word history. It's the only time I am pedantic usually.
/r/PurplePillDebate06/11/13 07:51 PM
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I guess I can't see the trees. Maybe if they were on the sidebar or made up a more noticeable amount of TRPs content, it would be easier for me. Actually, I don't really care about the trees. The rocks and fauna are plenty interesting. (Also, see my other comment.)
/r/PurplePillDebate06/11/13 07:33 PM
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How so? I didn't make any argument here. I didn't challenge anything you said or act like I had disproved you. I just thought it was interesting to clear up the origin of the word. I'll admit that the irony of your statement was lost on me, probably because I still don't entirely understand what is pedantic about theBluePill.
/r/PurplePillDebate06/11/13 07:29 PM
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"Devolve": officially a word since the 15th century. I'm actually surprised that "devolution" has been a word for that long, too. I assumed it was a back-formation from "evolution."
/r/PurplePillDebate06/11/13 07:19 PM
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It's more like "missing the forest for the trees, but not that tree, that ones an aspen. They don't count. Pine doesn't count either. No, no, no. I meant taller trees, but not as tall as that one."
/r/PurplePillDebate06/11/13 07:14 PM
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That still doesn't mean that including "generally" won't contribute any useful meaning or clear up possible confusion. There is no sense in thinking accuracy is all or nothing, unless you are in the business of deliberately conflating vague statistics and information to push an agenda, and more precision would reveal holes in your theories. For example, suppose someone was trying to claim that rising obesity rates in children is the fault of women seeking higher education, and they use the gener…
/r/PurplePillDebate06/11/13 07:03 PM
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Mostly I'm just disappointed that he didn't address my own comment about how absurd his gender switch argument is.
/r/PurplePillDebate06/11/13 06:40 PM
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Context, dude. Context.
/r/PurplePillDebate06/11/13 04:21 PM
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sometimes Latching on to such a teensy detail is all you have left, isn't it?
/r/PurplePillDebate06/11/13 03:16 PM
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I read once that which gender substance abuse has been associated with has changed a bunch if times. At one point it was a civil war soldier thing, then it was a women's thing, because doctors were giving women a lot of opium in the late 1800s, then it as a vagrant, mostly male thing, and so on. I'm not sure how much that reflects actual rates of substance abuse.
/r/PurplePillDebate06/11/13 03:13 AM
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So, we're not supposed to leave if we don't get our way? This logic doesn't leave women many/any options that could not be considered emotional abuse. Life just doesn't work that way. And I'm pretty sure I've seen at least a dozen cases of blue pillers applauding red pill his for breaking up with their girlfriends. "Bullet dodged" is the common reaction.
/r/PurplePillDebate06/11/13 02:06 AM
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I have no idea what you are getting at. Are you trying to say there are no songs by men about women cheating/leaving them/not settling down? That would be a strange argument to make, and I still don't know what it is supposed to prove.
/r/PurplePillDebate06/11/13 02:03 AM
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Men have historically held powerful positions in society, what has happened because a male leader could not properly vent his inner turmoil? I suspect that society has been plagued countless ways because we have refused to acknowledge men's mental and emotional burdens. I think you just described the plot for two thirds of Shakespeare's plays.
/r/PurplePillDebate06/11/13 01:55 AM
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Maybe your being oversimplistic. There are definitely degrees and types of emotions, and "outburst" are only one. I don't know how literally you meant "outbursts," but it reminded me of this. People can be emotional in all kinds of ways. They can have no understanding or control of their emotions and lash out or breakdown as a result. They can manipulate or use emotions to control their partners. Etc. For me, I don't mind a partner who is open about his own emotions, but I have had one who would…
/r/PurplePillDebate06/11/13 01:51 AM
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It wasn't so much pressure to be stoic as pressure to be happy all the time. If I was sad for too long about not making friends I'd get told I should be happy about getting good grades or something like that. I think I went through a phase where I'd find reason to cry out of rebellion. We've talked about that now and are getting along better. My ex was the same way. My dad told me to "buck up" at least a billion times, but I did need to buck up most of those times. It's more like he got how I fe…
/r/PurplePillDebate06/11/13 01:38 AM
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Imagine they had first, when you were young, gone awkwardly through the motions of comforting you, but with discomfort, impatience for you to snap out of it. As a woman, that's a very familiar experience for me, too.
/r/PurplePillDebate05/11/13 11:30 PM
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Feminists claim to believe gender is a social construct (despite being obsessed with it) and therefore we are all at sea when it comes to finding a mate. That is a triple non sequitur. I have no idea what the meaning is.
/r/PurplePillDebate04/11/13 04:58 PM
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Links?
/r/PurplePillDebate04/11/13 04:52 PM
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I suppose he could mean two things. Either he doesn't object in the sense of the dehumanizing kind of objectification, or he genuinely doesn't see any grey area between "sex object" and "co-worker". I'm guessing it's a little of both.
/r/PurplePillDebate09/10/13 08:33 PM
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I prefer my discussions informed with data rather than "understandings", but whatever. Other than that, I don't really know what this is about any more. Are you objecting to strength and independence in women, or just praise of that or "leftoids" in general? Honestly, it kind of looks like you just latched on to a few words in a comment ("Someone who controls their money, their career choices, their eating habits, dress sense, etc."), glossed over the context and are now lost. Nobody even said t…
/r/PurplePillDebate08/10/13 10:50 PM
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Bear in mind that I'm not talking about wearing body armour to bed or anything. It's just not a good idea to be totally dependant on one person to the point of being cut off from the rest of the world. edit: It's especially problematic since this only seems to work one way.
/r/PurplePillDebate08/10/13 09:18 PM
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What goes on at, say, /r/theBluePill would be more about feminist critique, which is often, but not always, a large part of feminism. This is stuff like looking at a situation, text, movie, whatever in terms of gender and gendered perspectives, which is not really within the realm of law, but still very telling.
/r/PurplePillDebate08/10/13 08:42 PM
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Well... yes.
/r/PurplePillDebate08/10/13 08:35 PM
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dress themselves, feed themselves, get a job, and balance their checkbook? I'm sorry. I was assuming that you were being sarcastic when you said "dress themselves and function as adults" the first time. I didn't think you literally meant that. I thought you meant that women should not be applauded for breaking traditional gender norms because breaking norms is something most successful men also do. If you were being literal, then I don't really have a reply, because I also don't know what you ar…
/r/PurplePillDebate08/10/13 08:29 PM
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It's tricky, because to an observer it is very, very difficult to tell what is independence and what is not. Still, there are many aspects of redpill marriages that seem to cross the fine line between wanting to please a partner and scary dependence. By scary, I mean that wives don't even have enough control to ensure they are safe and comfortable. That doesn't mean they are in danger or uncomfortable, but that they have no protection and/or no interest in being protected. It is especially unset…
/r/PurplePillDebate08/10/13 08:22 PM
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Ok, I should leave a better answer to this comment, too. Everyone has decisions forced on them, but it's different when the role that is forced onto someone includes strength, being the head of a household, and, often, controlling women, as the masculine role often does. That's why we talk about them differently. That is why we have to be so clear and seemingly "obvious" when talking about these things in women's lives.
/r/PurplePillDebate08/10/13 01:27 PM
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Hey FleetingWish, since there is a lot of discussion about the context in which the phrase is used, can you please clarify for us what situation/usages of the phrase specifically confuse you? Thanks.
/r/PurplePillDebate08/10/13 01:18 PM
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The difference is context. When we talk about women, we have to do so while bearing in mind that history happened and places like theRedPill still exist. Also, I have to point out the irony of you saying that your personal experience is that other people's personal experiences are wrong. I've heard anti-feminists use the phrase to shame women and to make it sound like feminists are personally attacking them whenever the experiences of women are discussed.
/r/PurplePillDebate08/10/13 01:17 PM
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I'm not redpill, but this article might help you out: http://no-maam.blogspot.ca/2008/02/questionators-should-women-have-right.html Basically, in nature, only the alphas would breed and the betas would be cast out, but civilization ended this. These natural alphas would not try to control women, but women evolved to like that treatment because it meant they could score an alpha. Women are all very high value, because babies, but they only want alpha babies, so what alphas want is what evolution …
/r/PurplePillDebate08/10/13 01:55 AM
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To quote mrsamsa: Someone who controls their money, their career choices, their eating habits, dress sense, etc. As I mention, all of those things are perfectly fine is someone chooses that life for themselves; problems only arise when these decisions are forced on them.
/r/PurplePillDebate08/10/13 01:32 AM
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Only because we lack the technology to measure such a phenomenon. We can and do measure human psychology all the time.
/r/PurplePillDebate08/10/13 01:29 AM
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Men are also supposed to do the asking for marriage. If the point of "gatekeeper of commitment" is that marriage is the female equivalent of what sex is for men, we would expect to see some things that reflect that. Stuff like women not initiating divorces or marriage ages getting older when restrictions on women giving are relaxed. We literally needed to ban women from public office, education and voting to maintain that half of the dynamic. When this alleged ideal was the norm, only men could …
/r/PurplePillDebate04/09/13 02:47 PM
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Thought experiment. Hypothetically, if the premise were always consistently how thing happen, its still not a clear power imbalance favouring women.
/r/PurplePillDebate04/09/13 02:31 PM
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Fuck Ryan Reynolds. Why do people like him?
/r/TheRedPill14/04/13 01:14 AM
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Doesn't really answer any of my questions above, but whatever. I mean, aren't we juding her (not making fun of, but still) for quitting right now? Why do women internalize people telling them to quit but not people telling them not to quit? This is still all pretty strenuous. I mean, if someone told me the cake I made yesterday was bad and made fun of me, I wouldn't quit making cakes because I have made a hundred good ones (I am a marine of cakes!), but if someone said my first cake was shit, ou…
/r/MensRights27/09/12 09:14 PM
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I just meant that being insulted by a stranger in a car is different than being made fun of by an acquaintance, but after rereading your comment, you didn't say who taunted you while running, so my bad. Still, if you've seen many guys being made fun of for quitting, doesn't that also mean you have seen many guys quit stuff? And if you don't see guys quit, how do you know they would get made fun of? And how do you know she isn't ridiculed for quitting, too (you did talk to her about it "many time…
/r/MensRights27/09/12 08:48 PM
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It's also not the same because it was some random stranger in a car, not a fellow runner on a track.
/r/MensRights27/09/12 06:24 PM
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I'm sorry if you feel like I was baiting you, I really am just trying to have a discussion. That isn't really what I meant or was looking for. What I am trying to do is separate "causing" and "not preventing". I also think most of the rape "prevention" tips are unreasonable and ineffective. Not going out at night alone and such makes sense, but telling girls/women they need to make themselves unattractive to rapists is looking for reasons to blame them. It's more like saying your car was stolen …
/r/MensRights11/05/12 01:44 PM
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You know what. Just describe to me, in your own words, what causes rape. Not how to prevent it, just what causes it. We must have some common ground
/r/MensRights11/05/12 05:18 AM
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fine, but why is you first suggestion (in fact only) that the girls shouldn't go to the party?
/r/MensRights10/05/12 11:40 PM
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Going to a party does not imply agreeing to have sex. Why should they expect rape at a frat party? What things can a girl do for fun, then?
/r/MensRights10/05/12 10:21 PM
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Then you don't get it.
/r/MensRights10/05/12 10:11 PM
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So...victim blaming then? Your preventing rape by telling girls not to go to a public party because there might be rapists there, and heaven forbid anyone prevent a rapist from enjoying a party, I guess.
/r/MensRights10/05/12 07:05 PM
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It's true, plus most of her anxiety was from pretending she was someone else and being afraid of getting caught. People kept thinking she was gay, so likely the act was not 100%, so her experience wouldn't be 100% either. And most of the experiment was limited to a few types of situations.
/r/MensRights10/05/12 06:51 PM
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Except the tips usually aren't just self-defence. According to most common knowledge on rape, not being raped involves more than just locking your car to keep it from being stolen. They are more like "don't have a car in the first place, cuz it'll just get stolen." And if you do have a car, don't take it out of that garage, especially at night, and make sure it is an ugly car that won't appeal to anyone, cuz they will just take it. And if it does get stolen, don't bother reporting it, cuz it's y…
/r/MensRights10/05/12 06:32 PM
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yes and no. rape prevention tips do little to really protect women, but the attitude that rapists are a subspecies of human isn't right either. People think you should be able to spot a rapist by looking at them and that no normal looking person with normal ideas can be a rapist. It isn't about demonizing all men, it's about normalizing rapists so they can be properly understood.
/r/MensRights10/05/12 06:21 PM
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