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False AccusationHeadlockBrock/r/MensRights07/06/16 03:06 AM
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FeminismHeadlockBrock/r/MensRights14/06/16 07:53 PM
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Obviously you failed civics. The judge doesn't determine anything. The jury convicts. Now you claim that there was no extended fingering session, which violates the central claim of the prosecution. You see, if you can't prove that she was unconscious at the time of penetration, then you really don't have any proof of a crime at all. The jury, of course, is free to ignore this and give the DA whatever the bitch wants. And why wouldn't you consider the facts of the case? Because you read the vict…
/r/MensRights19/10/16 09:58 PM
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There is no extended fingering session with a comatose woman Okay... glad we could establish that. So what exactly, in your mind, did he do that constitutes felony sexual assault?
/r/MensRights16/10/16 10:05 PM
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Okay then it wasn't reported because it wasn't a crime. Pretty simple.
/r/TheRedPill15/10/16 05:17 PM
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The problem here is the open narrative. One could assume that maybe a landlord entered illegally in the night and beat her into submission and raped her. So then we get into very complicated reasons why she didn't report this heinous crime. But, for most of us, we're just going to assume that she didn't have money, and the landlord offered to let her stay in exchange for sex, and she called that rape. In this case, she didn't report because frankly it wasn't rape. Now which is more likely? To a …
/r/TheRedPill14/10/16 11:33 PM
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find the accusers social media. Then archive all of it. Very wise. I know a lot of people that were exonerated by chick's social media posts gloating about getting with them. However, DAs get wise to this and fight for precedent to consider this inadmissible evidence, especially if it has anything to do with sexual behavior because there are laws about that. This is the only type of crime where the accused cannot bring certain evidence to their defense. Complete fucking abomination of justice.
/r/TheRedPill14/10/16 11:18 PM
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Ray Lewis pleaded guilty to his involvement in a double murder, and he's a hero to these psychos.
/r/TheRedPill14/10/16 11:05 PM
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If you are on a university campus, just know that the Obama administration sent a Title IX letter of reprimand to certain universities for their low rape conviction rates. If universities don't comply by getting convictions, they lose federal funding. That's a death sentence. All research universities get the majority of their money from the government. Stanford was one of these places, and they entirely changed their system from the police department to the counseling center to facilitate convi…
/r/TheRedPill14/10/16 11:01 PM
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Unconscious before a 20-minute phone call? Now you're just making shit up. Even if true, it doesn't address my point.
/r/MensRights14/10/16 05:52 PM
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Okay; you're right about that. Military may be worse. Commander discretion is valuable though, especially when you have a few generals willing to lose a star to protect you from SJWs (I have seen it happen, maybe for the last time).
/r/MensRights14/10/16 05:48 PM
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Nobody but incels and feminists believe that a rapist would sit there fingering her diddle and rubbing against her leg for 20 minutes if she were passed out.
/r/MensRights04/10/16 05:42 PM
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it just limits people claiming they were too drunk to know they were assaulting someone. What? No, it's actually just about minimum sentencing. If you are too drunk to know that you are assaulting someone, it is not a crime. The law defining assault of intoxicated persons requires knowledge of their inability to consent. Maybe stupid, but that's the law.
/r/MensRights04/10/16 05:40 PM
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Except that a female in the military will go to Courts Martial for lying under oath, even in cases of alleged sexual assault. There are also a lot stricter rules about drinking in general, and they don't spare anybody punishment if they broke a law/rule/order.
/r/MensRights04/10/16 05:30 PM
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The cases that come to court are not established couples, they are typically strangers or people who have not got to know each other sexually. Oh I get it, so you can't ever be charged with sexually assaulting your wife. Good to know, retard.
/r/MensRights04/10/16 05:27 PM
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Minority = someone that complains like hell until they get special shit Has nothing to do with 'representation'
/r/MensRights04/10/16 04:56 PM
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It depends on how black you look. There are Indian dudes that totally pass for black. These guys are like masters of the universe once they change their name to sound less ethnic.
/r/MensRights04/10/16 04:54 PM
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Yes, about as much of a piece of shit as any other nerdy college freshman. Not as much as a person 4-5 years older that goes to a frat party to get wasted and hook up with 18-year-olds despite being in a relationship and lying to their partner. Yeah, I agree they both suck.
/r/MensRights04/10/16 04:52 PM
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"Failed to answer texts"... well there's a smoking gun right there.... First she was on her back with Brock, then they chased and tackled him, then she was curled up in the fetal position. Nobody put her in that position; I don't know where you are getting that. She curled up and went to sleep on her own. The guy 'tried to rouse her' by saying "are you alright". That's not exactly a slap in the face and a bucket of water. The whole twisting the head thing never happened. And the fact that they d…
/r/MensRights04/10/16 04:44 PM
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This is a smoking gun of a lie. A true denial is clear and direct in plain active language. A false denial is almost always over-explained or using unfamiliar/ambiguous language. Bill Clinton, did you get a blowjob from an intern? No. She's lying. (Truth) I did not have sexual relations with that woman. (Lie: ambiguous) Jane Doe, did you consent to getting fingered? He said 'can I finger you' and I said 'no' loud and clear. (Truth) I don't remember. (Truth) Most guys don't ask. Usually there is.…
/r/MensRights18/09/16 07:19 AM
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How about we teach women not to lie about rape to cover up their secret slut behavior to their boyfriends. Guarantee he never believed her anyway. Definitely dumped the bitch the moment he read about it. Congratulations him.
/r/MensRights03/09/16 07:10 PM
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A woman that is starting that kind of trouble is not with a beta. She's attracted to danger, and she's creating it for attention. Most likely he doesn't give a fuck about her anymore, and she's trying to get him to do some crazy shit like fuck up some dude from the bar to prove (in her mind) that he still loves her.
/r/TheRedPill28/07/16 06:55 AM
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Another desperation move for attention. Fighting with you had nothing to do with the bitch, it had to do with his male friends seeing you with the bitch, which is what she wanted.
/r/TheRedPill28/07/16 06:50 AM
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I personally wish I wasn't interested in women. You think you can just get confident with women and then turn it off and work on other things? Yeah, right.
/r/TheRedPill28/07/16 06:40 AM
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It depends on what you consider 'improve' to mean. If you mean lifting weights and making money, this is basically TRP. If you mean be great at something that interests you, then you are MGTOW. Go back and count the number of times AskTRP tells someone to go lift weights, or even get a good job or an employable degree. These are distractions from true greatness.
/r/TheRedPill28/07/16 06:37 AM
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I think there is a very strong current of "Alpha" == stud in TRP. There are definitely those among us that take a longer-term view, but maybe only 20%. I'm not saying that the way of the Chad is wrong; maybe nothing else can match the satisfaction of the sex and procreation drives, but MGTOW has a different strategy for life satisfaction. You can't have it both ways. Chad may be a CEO or investment banker, but he's a replaceable bozo with no real skills, and he knows it, and he's scared. I don't…
/r/TheRedPill28/07/16 06:21 AM
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Congratulations. You've just graduated to MGTOW. Time to define your own life instead of letting women's hormones define it for you.
/r/TheRedPill26/07/16 07:12 AM
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Dude tries to speak truth and he's shot down by an army of hebetudes that can't think 5 minutes into the future beyond their own dick. Good luck bros. Focus your life on getting laid by drunk sluts. See where that gets you.
/r/TheRedPill26/07/16 07:05 AM
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Some types limit gains permanently by killing muscle and tendon satellite cells.
/r/TheRedPill26/07/16 06:59 AM
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You guys are funny. You believe these women's stories about their 'beta' husbands begging them to stay with them. In reality, the dude is just trying to keep his shit together so he doesn't fuck up a great career with a parade of secretary quiff and his saggy-ass slut wife keeps getting drunk and bringing home losers from the bar to get his attention.
/r/TheRedPill26/07/16 06:55 AM
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how is this a better alternative to this subreddit? Because MGTOW allows a man to focus on what he thinks is important (science, art, math, engineering, nature, endurance sport etc.). TRP is generally telling men to go lift weights and make money so that women will fawn over them. Very rarely are men of historical significance focused on suitability for women.
/r/TheRedPill26/07/16 06:43 AM
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For those that weren't there: YHOO board was trying to rekindle a $45B deal with MSFT that they rejected two years earlier, but MSFT had since dropped their valuation. MSFT/others would not consider YHOO without Yang. Yang wouldn't serve, although he did finish closing the Alibaba deal Female CEOs, VP nominees etc were hugely in vogue with the media Mayer was famously NOT a feminist like Sandberg, which is why she got the job Mayer got excitement and a stock boost, but the plan didn't work. None…
/r/TheRedPill26/07/16 06:37 AM
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Trump is a magnet for gold-diggers, psycho chicks, and apparently those with a delusional rape fantasy too. http://fusion.net/story/328522/donald-trump-accused-rape-sexual-assault/ These women will do anything to destroy something greater than themselves. Same with journalists.
/r/TheRedPill26/07/16 06:07 AM
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Ceasar Milan is a case-in-point for something we rarely talk about here. As far as being alpha is concerned, the bigger you are, the harder you fall. It is every woman's instinct and life purpose to destroy the biggest alpha they can get. If you let one in, they will win eventually.
/r/TheRedPill20/07/16 11:21 PM
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A woman’s true value lies in the way she was made. She doesn’t need to change anything or to prove anything in order to be worthy or happy. She only needs to embrace it. Except that she still probably believes that she was 'made' as a fat disgusting imbecile hog. This is not a reversion to conservative roles. This is just the logical path of feminism toward greater levels of female entitlement.
/r/MGTOW05/07/16 08:08 PM
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Actually I'm going to politely request that you stop trolling TRP. Disagreement is fine, but you clearly lack the intelligence to contribute here.
/r/TheRedPill02/07/16 07:23 PM
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No, but I am saying that blackout drunks do a lot of things that they later regret.
/r/TheRedPill02/07/16 07:15 PM
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We've all been through it man.
/r/askTRP02/07/16 07:05 PM
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Talk to military fathers in the teams that hardly ever come home. Fatherhood is about more than just presence.
/r/TheRedPill02/07/16 07:01 PM
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If you believe his narrative is true but still think he committed a crime, then we're not really in disagreement. My contention is that he was convicted based on an unsubstantiated narrative. If a legal expert holds that his own narrative is a crime, then so be it. In this case, the legal experts determined that his criminality was minimal in relation to the charges.
/r/TheRedPill02/07/16 06:57 PM
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After-party? Sounds like you need to seriously think about what you are doing with your life. This chick is a warning sign.
/r/askTRP02/07/16 06:47 PM
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But dude, you are free. Free! FREE! Your kids don't want a buddy for a dad. They want a hero. You don't need to see them more than once a month to be their hero. G-d is giving you a second chance. Don't give it anything less than your best.
/r/TheRedPill01/07/16 11:00 PM
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Statistically speaking, this is rare, right? Is this level of experience is a sort of enlightenment that brings people to TRP, maybe even MGTOW? I wonder if this can be studied scientifically.
/r/TheRedPill01/07/16 10:42 PM
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Have you actually listened to any of his testimony or the actual 'facts' that HE tried to play off as true. Did you listen to his testimony? As far as I know, the trial wasn't televised.
/r/TheRedPill01/07/16 10:15 PM
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PTSD is massively misunderstood. It is a state of constant awareness that focuses on small details and paranoid thinking like what is required in life or death situations. A PTSD trigger is something in a normal situation that is associated with a threat in an abnormal situation. Think trash by the side of the road to someone hit by an IED. There are also visceral memory triggers, stuff that people don't want to think about, but these are not PTSD sufferers, because PTSD sufferers can't stop thi…
/r/TheRedPill30/06/16 07:35 AM
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All I know is that if I were slaying quiff at the rate this guy claims, I wouldn't have time for Reddit, wouldn't even know TRP existed.
/r/TheRedPill30/06/16 07:01 AM
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Because men argue. It's not personal. I'm saying that MGTOW is very strong in the Hollywood set already, and the crap we produce is a result of selling to increasingly dumber populations of feminized society. It won't change because we don't consume our own product.
/r/MGTOW29/06/16 09:01 PM
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Holy shit...
/r/MensRights29/06/16 08:56 PM
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You think 'we' aren't already producing and selling bullshit targeted at whatever demographic will pay for the worthless crap that gets advertised?
/r/MGTOW29/06/16 05:59 PM
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Don't say I didn't warn you that this was the decisive victory of feminism. Even the majority of people on this sub refused to look at the facts.
/r/MensRights29/06/16 05:57 PM
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Legions of forever-aloners on the internet distort your understanding of who the real audience is.
/r/MensRights29/06/16 05:38 PM
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Doesn't matter. We don't spend it on stupid shit we see on TV like they do.
/r/MGTOW29/06/16 05:24 PM
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This is why nobody takes MensRights seriously. What are you trying to convince them of? Are we not in agreement that the MAIN ISSUE in MensRights is that feminists are subverting the justice system against men? Is this not the most public example of this? What does the OJ trial mean to Americans? To some, it means that racist cops are conspiring against black people to frame them for murder. To others, it means that money and racial tensions can subvert the justice system. Now ask yourself how w…
/r/MensRights29/06/16 02:10 AM
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When reading "The Crucible" in school, the accusations were all explained as some sort of hysteria. I never thought once that there it was just a female game to flex their powers of manipulation.
/r/MensRights29/06/16 01:34 AM
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Appeasement never works.
/r/MensRights27/06/16 02:43 PM
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Sometimes the only motive a group of people wants is to see an individual suffer That's definitely a good point, especially with the 'fairer' sex, and especially with little sisterhood cabals.
/r/MensRights27/06/16 02:39 PM
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Most of these multiple-accuser cases were of little boys: Michael Jackson, Jerry Sandusky, and the biggest of them all, the Catholic Church. In the Jackson cases, all were within the statutes of limitations, but decided to sue instead of pursue criminal charges. This to me is a pretty good red herring of a false accuser. The Catholic Church cases were almost all dismissed when the kids started making up completely bonkers shit, but they got one conviction, which opened up the floodgates to the c…
/r/MensRights24/06/16 08:24 PM
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Which of these are multiple parties accusing the same person?
/r/MensRights24/06/16 08:05 PM
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From here the best debunking of "Rape Culture" isn't to try and defend the sentencing of a rapist, but to point out that once every 10 years is hardly a culture supporting and condoning rape. When you have a professor that states that over 40% of students at Stanford were raped, despite the official survey indicating 1%, do you think they will listen to reason? Regardless, you're right in a way. It doesn't make sense to defend the sentence because the sentence probably wouldn't have been appropr…
/r/MensRights24/06/16 07:54 PM
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he was so drunk he couldn't even get his penis up, so he fingered her instead Actually there were enough police notes about this kid's erection that I'm starting to think he has a future in rape fantasy porn. But the point here is that he clearly could have, and didn't, which makes the 'attempted rape' charge total bullshit. double standard here is so blatant and extreme that's it's genuinely surreal That may be true, but the larger injustice here is the criminalization of men, and the solution …
/r/MensRights24/06/16 07:37 PM
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Note that 'not entirely convinced' -> acquittal. How much information did it take you to conclude that he was guilty in the first place? Did you honestly believe in your head that you have more information and better wisdom than the judge in this case? This kind of thinking is lunacy. Maybe your concern is that the judge knows he is guilty, but is part of some kind of patriarchy conspiracy. Maybe you got lost looking for /r/feminism. When even the majority of MRAs don't understand the justice sy…
/r/MensRights24/06/16 07:32 PM
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Oh thank g-d there is one person on earth willing to stand up for rationality. And as a side note, I cannot believe that article in "Reason" magazine. Seems like it has nothing to do with libertarianism. Hmmm... let's look at the author: Robby Soave is an associate editor at Reason.com. He enjoys writing about college news, education policy, criminal justice reform, and television. He is also a columnist for The Daily Beast and has penned articles for the New York Post, CNN, USA Today, Newsweek,…
/r/MensRights24/06/16 07:18 PM
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if Brock had been passed out and the girl found fondling him He'd have been in jail for public indecency.
/r/MensRights24/06/16 06:59 PM
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Honestly, I see a lot of bitching on this sub about how women should be punished harder for stupid shit versus fighting the assault on men.
/r/MensRights24/06/16 06:56 PM
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They're in a shitty situation now because the jury convicted based on emotions and not facts, and the legal system gave a lenient sentence because they ostensibly disagreed with the jury. Now if they have an actual violent rape case where the defendant presents clear and present danger to society, they have two choices: Give an appropriately harsh sentence and be accused of bias, racism etc, and likely lose an appeal, setting a dangerous person free Give a lenient sentence and piss off all the p…
/r/MensRights24/06/16 06:39 PM
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Hint: 'boyfriend' comments doubtfully from actual boyfriend.
/r/MensRights24/06/16 06:23 PM
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required Sociology course Well that's the problem right there.
/r/MensRights24/06/16 06:17 PM
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Rape fantasy. Pure and simple. Average girl 'taken' by Stanford olympic hopeful.
/r/MGTOW23/06/16 08:56 PM
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I don't really buy this. I don't think it's possible for a woman to be attracted to a kid unless maybe he's rich or something.
/r/MensRights23/06/16 07:47 PM
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Good point. With women, everything is about control. Maybe it's just practice for manipulating older men.
/r/MensRights23/06/16 07:45 PM
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There will be nobody there. Women crave male attention.
/r/MGTOW22/06/16 07:39 PM
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Any time there's money or fame involved, I don't believe shit.
/r/MensRights22/06/16 06:52 PM
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Somebody please explain the psychology here. Why?
/r/MensRights22/06/16 06:48 PM
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What I don't understand is why all these big universities and corporations let this cancer in the door. What good can it possibly do them?
/r/TheRedPill22/06/16 05:02 PM
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The biggest threat to a new world order, one world government, is nationalists, specifically armed nationalists in western white patriarchal countries. Evolve, man. You're focused on the least scalable form of persuasion. They are, in ascending order: Threat of violence (physical power) Rational self-interest (economic power) Irrational belief (religious / media power)
/r/TheRedPill22/06/16 04:57 PM
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Sympathy is not the point. Abuse of the legal system is.
/r/TheRedPill22/06/16 04:42 PM
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precious White women Dude, I'm goading you because you seem like you have a lot of race hate built up. The racial discount is based on core theory of gene spreading preference. AWALT.
/r/TheRedPill22/06/16 02:45 PM
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As for a conspiracy, probably more the opposite. It takes a conspiracy to build a civilization. All it takes to destroy it is immediate self-interest. 3 simple rules: Maintain 'our' identity Help only each other Tell everybody else to do the opposite
/r/TheRedPill22/06/16 12:05 AM
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Funny is as funny does, and the reaction here was pretty hilarious - posting it on her own facebook page. She basically just raped herself. For her sake, I hope she at least has career potential in porn or escorting.
/r/TheRedPill21/06/16 11:29 PM
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There you go proving my point. You don't seem to care about stupid, and my guess is that you think 'nastiness' has something to do with being ugly. Show me one example of a white girl married to a black dude that most white dudes would want to marry. Different standards in different cultures.
/r/TheRedPill21/06/16 09:43 PM
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https://youtu.be/EMkz7lTGzQ8?t=1h8m22s
/r/TheRedPill20/06/16 10:48 PM
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"Wow, I just went a week and a half and really wasn't turned on by anything. You too? I thought it was because young girls today are all so fucking fat.
/r/TheRedPill20/06/16 10:28 PM
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One trick in sex is to teach the girl to "grip" with her pussy and literally "ride" along with you. Girls that know this trick.... holy shit....
/r/TheRedPill20/06/16 10:24 PM
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Guys, seriously, if you're 6'5" and swole as fuck, is it really worth your time to be thinking about how to be more alpha? I sort of wonder how short people even exist at all given millions of years of selective breeding.
/r/TheRedPill20/06/16 10:19 PM
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How can a country that produced Magnus Samuelsson be such a gaggle of sissies?
/r/TheRedPill20/06/16 09:42 PM
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Does it appear to bother GLO that asian dudes think his plates are ugly? Being an asian bottom-feeder doesn't upset white dudes, but I'll tell you what does, the fatness, nastiness and pathetic stupidity of white girls. I gotta hand it to you though, black dudes know how to put them in their place; maybe they're meant for each other.
/r/TheRedPill20/06/16 09:40 PM
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Well I guess that's sort of why TRP is a feeder for MGTOW. TRP is first about informing people about AWALT etc and then they have a plan for how to go back into the matrix and master it. MGTOW is sort of like 'fuck this, I'm outta here!'. Bluepill is interesting because it's like they know the truth but consciously stay ignorant of it. TRP emphasizes posterity, MGTOW emphasizes freedom. BP emphasizes comfort.
/r/MGTOW20/06/16 08:54 PM
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Since they were acquitted, does that mean that the victim's name is no longer protected? I mean... Swedish dudes kinda need to know about this chick.
/r/TheRedPill18/06/16 07:10 AM
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So what the fuck did she do the whole time? Sit there with her legs spread open trying to do her best not to appear racist?
/r/TheRedPill18/06/16 07:07 AM
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Brock got 6 months for making out with a chick who got drunk to the point where she passes out mid-coitus Well, it didn't quite get that far actually. Sometimes I think it would have upset women less if he actually did the deed. No girl wants to get fingered behind a dumpster, but being 'taken' by chad behind a dumpster in a fit of passion is fantasy material. Interesting irony given the swedish heroes and the media blast on swedish national day.
/r/TheRedPill18/06/16 06:58 AM
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I think the only top private university that doesn't discriminate against them is Caltech. Doesn't matter though, discrimination just makes them stronger and they know it.
/r/MensRights18/06/16 06:10 AM
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we are to feminism what the Bloods are to the Cripts I think that might be more MensRights. My issue with them is they get fanatical about stupid shit like prosecuting female sex offenders. Real men don't give a shit about that. TRP, however, well, you're going to have to get more specific about what you find to be ignorant, hypocritical etc. so that maybe people in this sub can see your point and decide whether to engage with TRP or not.
/r/MGTOW18/06/16 06:07 AM
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50% of white students. No judgement, just putting the facts out there.
/r/MensRights18/06/16 01:34 AM
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“In the context of sexual assault, ‘innocent until proven guilty’ is sometimes invoked to silence survivors; when a survivor’s experience is validated through measures that either protect or provide care, it is assumed that there is an infringement on the liberties of the person who has caused harm, as well as a presumption of their guilt.” This statement makes zero rational sense. It seems to be saying that the process is unfair to the accused, and this unfairness silences the accuser. Complete…
/r/MGTOW18/06/16 01:32 AM
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What is your issue/disagreement, exactly? (Aside from being downvoted)
/r/MGTOW18/06/16 01:23 AM
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When studying history, people always neglect to assume any kind of intelligence to the people. If you go back 100 years, the complexity of the language was 5-10x what it is today, and thus the power of non-scientific reason would have been much greater. You can't use the excuse of 'backwardness' if you assume they were wiser. You may be able to cite technological limitations.
/r/MGTOW18/06/16 01:14 AM
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Or you just just don't recognize the other race's slag, like the asian girls GLO is talking about, or hot blonde strippers that hang out with pro athletes.
/r/TheRedPill17/06/16 11:26 PM
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Seems like this article has upset you. Here's the thing, when you get girls from a different race, you're going to be a bottom-feeder. GLO s admits this this straight up with asian girls, and it doesn't seem to bother white dudes. If you're not white and you want white chicks, she's going to be fat, slutty, stupid, bitchy, or SJW. Focus your attention on these girls and you can't lose. This is exactly what the asian dudes say about the white/asian thing.
/r/TheRedPill17/06/16 08:55 PM
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My experience here says chinese dudes don't give a fuck. I've begun to think of them as the ultimate alphas. They ignore women, work their asses off to get rich and then plow through the young chinese girls that all want to be with them. American asians and girls that give it up to non-chinese guys are just slag to them. They aren't even upset about Chad, they're grateful he exists to filter out all the untouchables.
/r/TheRedPill17/06/16 08:32 PM
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I don't think it would have been a big deal for me personally. I had friends at 13 that were in similar situations with women in their 20s and it never was for them. I seriously doubt you'd find an effect in an unbiased sample of men. On the other hand, I've certainly noticed some difference in the sexual patterns of women that had something like this happen when they were younger. Maybe females are different than males. Getting hysterical about sex and turning everything into a crime is THEIR a…
/r/MensRights17/06/16 07:52 PM
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Look, no matter how many of these cases you dredge up, there will never be nearly as many as the number of girls that accuse men of rape. If you go mirror the feminist psycho tactics on the women, it will just come back to hurt us more. No crime here.
/r/MensRights17/06/16 07:21 AM
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actual sex vs grabbing their dicks
/r/MensRights17/06/16 07:16 AM
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Yeah, and it would have been different if all she did was grab their dicks.
/r/MensRights17/06/16 07:13 AM
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don't think it should be illegal, because “he wanted it”. Yeah, good luck suggesting that about a female “rape victim”, you rape apologizing cis scum. I'll take the bait. Both cases are bullshit.
/r/MensRights17/06/16 07:10 AM
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His mother is not a credible witness.
/r/MensRights17/06/16 07:04 AM
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“In the context of sexual assault, ‘innocent until proven guilty’ is sometimes invoked to silence survivors; when a survivor’s experience is validated through measures that either protect or provide care, it is assumed that there is an infringement on the liberties of the person who has caused harm, as well as a presumption of their guilt.” Their premise is that victims are silenced. Their basis is that suspects are presumed guilty. The basis is true, but unrelated to premise. F-
/r/MensRights17/06/16 06:57 AM
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Or they could fight back and leave nothing to interpretation.
/r/MensRights17/06/16 06:49 AM
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antidepressant medication ... admitted she is an alcoholic Do not underestimate how much these types will fuck up your life. Nobody will ever believe you.
/r/MensRights17/06/16 06:44 AM
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Yeah, I agree on the hypocrisy. I don't whether it's better to push for equal insanity, or just call bullshit. I'm assuming we want sex de-politicized. Cell phone dude could have been anybody. Seems he was held down for about 10 minutes with her lying alone there. I get the sense that there were actually a lot of people around.
/r/MensRights17/06/16 06:40 AM
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Rape and molestation? According to the law, maybe, but as the law is written, minors are unable to consent because they don't understand the moral and ethical implications of what they are doing. This doesn't sound like a case of coercion, just lack of consent due to minor status. So what exactly are the moral and ethical implications of getting a blowjob that a minor is unable to comprehend? If you are pissed because the legal system screws over men, then fine, but trust me, an old woman that l…
/r/MensRights16/06/16 06:49 AM
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Pretty good example of female delusional thinking, but seriously guys, let's not get caught up in the sex crime hysteria like the other side; it only makes it worse. Any reasonable person knows that most of these cases are bullshit. Unequal adjudication maybe, but still bullshit. Serious question: what harm has been done here? Emotional harm? Bullshit. Lowering the boy's standards for life? Maybe, but hey, we all walk down that road eventually. Does it make men more free to prosecute women for g…
/r/MensRights15/06/16 09:29 PM
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claimed she had killed husband Narsinh in self-defence Ego defense. Typical.
/r/MensRights15/06/16 07:42 PM
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Guarantee the women won't get in any trouble, and will do it again. It's fun for them to 'outsmart' the cops.
/r/MensRights15/06/16 07:34 PM
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But, but, Prof Dauber's research shows that the REAL number is 42%.
/r/MensRights15/06/16 07:27 PM
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Is that even possible with Title IX? 'Federal financial assistance' casts a really wide net. No pell grants, no subsidized loans, no research grants, etc.
/r/MensRights15/06/16 07:24 PM
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the assumption being that non-consensual sex would necessarily require force or violence, or at least the threat thereof Uhhhhh... yeah, basically.
/r/MensRights15/06/16 06:56 PM
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So killing 50 men equals touching one vagina. Sounds about right.
/r/MensRights15/06/16 06:52 PM
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She sent her own daughter to school there. Arrest her for child endangerment. Good thing she is safe... #unrapeable
/r/MensRights15/06/16 06:36 PM
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https://www.scribd.com/doc/315399999/People-v-Brock-Turner-Document-6 Page 42: Dauber's letter to judge.
/r/MensRights14/06/16 09:13 PM
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Okay, saw it now. Can't edit title. Delete?
/r/MensRights14/06/16 09:06 PM
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Okay, so then there is a huge time gap between her consciously walking behind a dumpster and the police finding her unresponsive. Can I ask you what is the minimum that would constitute a reasonable doubt for you in this case?
/r/MensRights13/06/16 09:41 PM
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Okay, so, having looked at the report... what the fuck happened that night? I just don't understand how the cell phone thing fits into anybody's narrative, unless it happened during the chase and fight with the swedes. Did one of them take the picture before running after Brock? We heard absolutely nothing about it in the court reporting. I believe the guy that saw the cell phone picture taker was the same guy that called 911 and did so immediately, so it must have during or after the swede epis…
/r/MensRights12/06/16 09:29 AM
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Man bites dog. I keep seeing people making comparison to Corey Batey's abduction, rape, and filming of an unconscious woman. Anybody that claims equivalence is exposing their exceptionally low expectations for minorities.
/r/TheRedPill09/06/16 05:40 AM
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seriously, what woman does that??? Generally someone who wants to get blackout drunk and make out with a dude 5 years younger than her. But not her. She wanted to dance and that's the only place you can dance.
/r/TheRedPill08/06/16 11:07 PM
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Well, she wasn't dancing just minutes before, but maybe an hour before. So what the fuck does your version of events say they they were doing between dancing and walking to the dumpster? If you're going to make up your own timeline, at least fill it in. And you DEFINITELY don't need it to get sexual. There you go. You just exonerated him.
/r/TheRedPill08/06/16 11:04 PM
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This is getting really fucking repetitive. There was no witness of penetration, only "he was moving a lot" and "she was not moving very much". Then they confronted him, and then they checked on her. This kind of certainty about filling in the missing details with incriminating acts is exactly the reason that juries suck and the internet is retarded.
/r/TheRedPill08/06/16 11:01 PM
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Do you personally know that he did exactly that? And even if he did, why has this case become the anti-american rallying cry of feminists around the world? Because it was planned that way, and we're all getting fucked by it. The silent majority doesn't believe anything that comes out of the SJW media.
/r/TheRedPill08/06/16 10:33 PM
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He's from a poor redneck family in Ohio and his only way out of pissville was that he worked his ass off in a sport that doesn't pay shit, but allows you to go to college for free. His lawyer almost certainly sucked. His dad is an idiot. This kid had nothing going for him, and was up against an army of the best-paid and most liberal DA team in the country. Law professors from his own school pilloried him from day 1. He never had a chance at the truth even if he was innocent, and they took advant…
/r/TheRedPill08/06/16 10:16 PM
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thats pretty fucked up that he would continue that after she had passed out Did you even read the comment you replied to?
/r/TheRedPill08/06/16 10:14 PM
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Her "trauma" is the shame of everyone knowing. Her 'therapy' is ruining someone's life and being called a beacon of hope for all women instead of an alcoholic disaster.
/r/TheRedPill08/06/16 10:11 PM
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Does sexual stimulation have the effect of prolonging consciousness before slipping into the passed out state? If so, his story is entirely plausible because he stood up and talked to the swede for a bit, and then they checked on her.
/r/TheRedPill08/06/16 10:09 PM
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That's a good question. If I decide that today I'm just going to do a bunch of random shit without thinking about it, can I be charged with attempted murder because it's full well within the distinct possibilities of what I might do?
/r/MensRights08/06/16 10:01 PM
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I'm stunned by this phenomenon, but actually it matches with his story 100%. He stood up to barf and then was confronted by the swede #1, then swede #2 checked on her and she was 'hardcore asleep and unrousable'.
/r/TheRedPill08/06/16 09:57 PM
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But dancing just minutes before?
/r/TheRedPill08/06/16 09:47 PM
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When the police discover her, she had changed to the fetal position. Let's just assume that she was complicit 100% as Brock tells it. She's now caught naked behind a dumpster of a school she doesn't go to getting finger banged by some nerdy kid, and she's probably going to get in trouble with the law, her parents, and her boyfriend. What would you do in her situation? Motive is important. I don't think he had a motive to fingerbang an unconscious chick. Most likely his motive was to get an extre…
/r/TheRedPill08/06/16 09:45 PM
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Two hours later she wakes up In two hours BAC only falls 0.02-0.04%. Have you ever seen someone truly knocked out from alcohol wake up in 2 hours? I've definitely seen alcoholics take coma-like naps like that, but never just standing one moment, passed out the next, and wake up 2 hours later.
/r/TheRedPill08/06/16 09:17 PM
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How long after dancing does it take to pass out unconscious? Seems like a pretty tight timeline.
/r/TheRedPill08/06/16 09:05 PM
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It was a jury trial. I keep on saying this. Juries are insane. The judge states plainly that he believes Brock. He also probably thinks Brock is a skeevy ratchet ass of a human, but probably not quite as much as the specific convictions imply.
/r/TheRedPill08/06/16 09:03 PM
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Oh no, it's WAAAYYYY worse than just being on a registry: http://freakonomics.com/podcast/making-sex-offenders-pay-and-pay-and-pay-and-pay-a-new-freakonomics-radio-podcast/
/r/TheRedPill08/06/16 08:53 PM
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Look at the prosecution's timeline and ask if it makes sense: Dancing and kissing at the frat (Start timer) Leaving together, walking to dumpster Pass out cold immediately upon getting to dumpster remove her clothes, finger banging for a while dry humping her leg until he gets caught (20 minutes elapsed) Police arrive and discover her in fetal position Her BAC was 0.127 at 7am, estimated at 0.24 at 1am
/r/TheRedPill08/06/16 08:45 PM
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How long does it take for someone to go from dancing to unconscious without consuming additional alcohol? The same amount of time it takes to walk behind a dumpster? This is a pretty tight timeline. Then she was discovered akimbo by witnesses and had moved herself into fetal position by the time police arrived. Was she unconscious or sleeping it off? Further, her blood alcohol level was not estimated to have been in the unconscious range. The prosecution's timeline is dancing, leaving with brock…
/r/MensRights08/06/16 08:20 PM
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couldn't walk But she did 'walk' herself to the back of a dumpster with a dude she was 'dancing' with. How quickly can you go from dancing to unable to walk? I'm assuming no additional alcohol was consumed once they left together. Something is fucked up about the timeline. Running when he was caught seems to imply intent The witnesses say they confronted him as he stood up. I'm not sure that constitutes running away as in her victim's statement. But regardless, what specific intent does it imply…
/r/MensRights08/06/16 07:54 PM
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He wasn't charged with rape, so... But he was convicted of attempted rape, essentially without evidence.
/r/MensRights08/06/16 07:42 PM
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she was bleeding ... bruises I didn't see anything about bleeding nor bruising. That would certainly be significant evidence. Tears could be superficial; it's a delicate area and the test is very sensitive.
/r/MensRights08/06/16 07:40 PM
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https://www.justia.com/criminal/docs/calcrim/1000/1048.html "A person is unconscious of the nature of the act if he or she is (unconscious or asleep/ [or] not aware that the act is occurring/ [or] not aware of the essential characteristics of the act because the perpetrator tricked, lied to, or concealed information from the person/ [or] not aware of the essential characteristics of the act because the perpetrator fraudulently represented that the sexual penetration served a professional purpose…
/r/MensRights08/06/16 07:20 PM
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Fingering and humping unconscious women is a crime. The former is at least questionable, and he was not charged with the latter. See the problem with this case?
/r/MensRights08/06/16 02:55 PM
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He was caught dry humping or some other weird shit. This is probably legitimately a lesser charge by itself. It would make sense to give sizes of lacerations and gram amounts of dirt, or at least say what specific action the SART results were consistent with. Nobody is denying the fingering behind the dumpster. If the SART implies strongly that he intentionally stuffed dirt into her, then, yeah, he's the worst person on earth. If the dirt was consistent with her sitting upright and naked before …
/r/MensRights08/06/16 02:51 PM
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Besides, killing someone without premeditation is still a crime -- usually either second-degree murder, voluntary manslaughter, or involuntary manslaughter. Okay, criminal intent then. The penetration of an unconscious person charge actually requires this. It's meant mostly for roofies and twisted doctors.
/r/MensRights08/06/16 02:36 PM
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Wouldn't there be urine behind the dumpster if she was pissing? If they can prove that she went behind the dumpster without him, that pretty much removes a great deal of reasonable doubt and definitely helps establish criminal intent. I would expect this to be part of the prosecution's narrative. It seems that both sides agree on her going there with him.
/r/MensRights08/06/16 02:32 PM
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safe bet that the jury arrived at the correct conclusion This is never a safe bet. Juries have a terrible record. The judge, in so many ways, makes his doubts pretty clear.
/r/MensRights08/06/16 02:26 PM
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Obviously they wanted to take her for a whirl, but then they just decided it was more fun to rape the nerdy swimmer kid, and then the cops showed up and ruined the party.
/r/MensRights08/06/16 09:36 AM
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No doubt Bank's case was a travesty of the legal system, but, if anything, it lends credibility to Brock. Banks grew up in a time when false rape accusation was generally reserved for white girls who got caught having sex with black men and the legal system hadn't quite caught onto the trend. I don't even know it's a white girl, but something tells me it's a white girl. Now false rape accusation is much more widely practiced with 'privileged' white males that make for easy targets with no allies…
/r/MensRights08/06/16 07:59 AM
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Yeah, his case included all kinds of stupid shit that he probably said to avoid incriminating himself on some kind of technicality, like positive consent laws or an erection implying intent to fornicate. Juries hate that weasely shit. They want honest people that they can relate to. But unfortunately, your honest self has been criminalized. Being a man is basically a crime in and of itself.
/r/MensRights08/06/16 07:34 AM
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As the law is written, it is extremely hard to establish drunken sex as any sort of crime. A jury trial, however, is a circus of emotional manipulation. You never know what you can get them to do. The biggest problem with this case, and the reason we should care, is establishment of precedent that results in automatic criminalization of men.
/r/MensRights08/06/16 07:23 AM
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I think in that case they wouldn't be able to establish belief, so they would have to establish premeditated criminal intent.
/r/MensRights08/06/16 07:20 AM
1

To be honest, MRAs have a bit of a reputation for being wusses. Most regular working class men out there that aren't on twitter and reddit are a lot more willing to call out bullshit than anybody here. I don't mean to insult, because this is an invaluable resource to many, but, just sayin.
/r/MensRights08/06/16 07:16 AM
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recommendation of probation office Which was based on her own conversation with the probation officer.
/r/MensRights08/06/16 07:09 AM
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"The defendant knew or reasonably should have known that the effect of that substance prevented the other person from resisting the act." The key is knowledge about her ability to resist. One important clarification: The witnesses didn't say what act they saw. It seems from their statement and her own that it was dry humping. There was also an act of digital penetration that occurred at some point behind the dumpster. If he knew she was unable to resist at the time at which he performed the act,…
/r/MensRights08/06/16 07:01 AM
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But she was conscious at least until the point at which she went behind the dumpster. If penetration happened before unconsciousness, no case. If after, felony assault. Can we agree on that construct?
/r/MensRights08/06/16 06:12 AM
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Unfortunately an eloquent woman speaking in support of a man in jeopardy doesn't garner the attention that a boorish letter of questionable authenticity from his father does.
/r/MensRights08/06/16 06:08 AM
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No need. CA law clearly defines rape and penetration as two different things.
/r/MensRights08/06/16 06:05 AM
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It's in the SwimSwam article, although somewhat unclear as to what interaction actually occurred. A few sources (PA Online, Stanford Daily) say that she remembered the witnesses, which is a bit bizarre given her victim statement.
/r/MensRights08/06/16 05:54 AM
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We just don't know. Yes we do. The prosecution made no claim of coercion.
/r/MensRights08/06/16 05:48 AM
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Obviously you've never had to decide between aborting your baby and raising the child of the person you hate most in the world. Fuck you.
/r/MensRights08/06/16 04:54 AM
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Also, she talked to the Swedes briefly before passing out. Holy shit. No wonder the judge said he believes Brock's story.
/r/MensRights08/06/16 04:50 AM
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Nobody is denying that penetration occurred. The state of the victim during that act is the entire case.
/r/MensRights07/06/16 11:59 PM
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I looked this up for their actual statements and updated the facts and critical thinking sections. If they testified that they saw actual penetration, he should rot in jail. If they would have, but didn't, then it's more reason to doubt. Now, if they witnessed him dry humping her leg without penetration, that definitely makes him a total fucking weirdo, but I'm not sure it makes him a felon.
/r/MensRights07/06/16 11:15 PM
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In fact, he straight up said, "I take him at his word." Please explain what you know that the judge doesn't. Holy shit, thank you for that reference.
/r/MensRights07/06/16 10:24 PM
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Proof of dragging would be enough to convince me that he should rot in jail forever. Without proof of a crime, however, I'm not buying it.
/r/MensRights07/06/16 10:22 PM
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Lack of scars consistent with dragging. Are you seriously suggesting that she didn't walk there herself?
/r/MensRights07/06/16 09:59 PM
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Why would he want to limit the impact if he really thought he was a dangerous criminal? Wouldn't he be more concerned for society and keep him locked up as long as possible?
/r/MensRights07/06/16 09:48 PM
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Most guys don’t ask Except that they have to now with 'yes means yes' rules for student disciplinary purposes. It's reasonable in my mind to assume that he did actually lie about asking for each and every move he made, but that is pure speculation in my own head. If so then fine, send him to jail for perjury, but at least prove the crime. I don't see how that's relevant. Because it establishes a long timeline of interaction starting at the party with her and her sister, and ending with her going…
/r/MensRights07/06/16 09:42 PM
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Compare the two cases and the two outcomes. You couldn't have stated my point any better.
/r/MensRights07/06/16 09:25 PM
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Imagine a freshman girl and a much older piss-drunk man from the inner city get caught behind the dumpster with his dick out and her fully-clothed. Who gets arrested? This case sets a precedent that proof is optional when convicting men of a crime. Forget all the other bullshit false accusations, this case is THE battleground that they have chosen.
/r/MensRights07/06/16 09:20 PM
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Yes, I agree, and it does. Any reasonable person agrees, and I'm willing to bet that the judge also agrees. However, the judge is obviously making a statement that, according to the evidence, there is a reasonable doubt that he actually committed a felony assault which the jury didn't properly take into consideration.
/r/MensRights07/06/16 09:01 PM
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if it was a black guy You mean like Jameis Winston? http://media.graytvinc.com/documents/Complete+Case+File.pdf
/r/MensRights07/06/16 08:50 PM
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Who are these "guys" you are speaking to exactly, and why do you think they would listen to you? Your contribution of new information and rational inquiry is exactly zero.
/r/MensRights07/06/16 08:38 PM
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the media sympathizes with rapists, not victims. Sympathizes with rapists? Name one media outlet that has ever cast doubt on a college rape case before the 'victim' was proven to be a liar in court. I've never seen it.
/r/MensRights07/06/16 04:56 PM
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SJW logic.
/r/MensRights07/06/16 04:51 PM
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No proof of where it came from. Looks to be written at the intelligence level of an SJW.
/r/MensRights07/06/16 04:45 PM
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According to the prosecution.
/r/MensRights07/06/16 04:44 PM
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Excellent points. I see you really did your research.
/r/MensRights07/06/16 04:43 PM
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Read more. There was no rape claimed.
/r/MensRights07/06/16 04:39 PM
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That's the SJW definition of rape. CA law disagrees. I think he's an idiot. Total fucking idiot with zero experience with girls or alcohol, and to be honest, more than a little bit morally reprehensible. This case establishes that he may have had the opportunity to keep fingering a girl after she 'become unresponsive'. Technically, there is a lot more required to meet that charge, but let's just agree on moral grounds that doing so would be totally fucked up. The evidence does not prove him inno…
/r/MensRights07/06/16 04:35 PM
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EDIT: Fixed 2-4 based on misunderstanding of victim statement. I believe it was also reported early on that sexual contact occurred on the dance floor, but I can't recall the source or find a primary for it.
/r/MensRights07/06/16 03:21 PM
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Especially calling it "rape". California law is very clear about that term.
/r/MensRights07/06/16 03:15 PM
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There was no sex in this case. Obviously you have zero interest in facts. Lemme guess... SJW lawyer? Lawyers don't get paid to find the truth, they get paid to win. Judges get paid to adjudicate on the truth, and this one strongly disagreed with the verdict. Jurors get $40 a day. You cannot pay the rent in Palo Alto on $40/day unless you are on welfare, (more likely) a wealthy SJW trust fund princess (i.e. prototypical feminist), or a tech millionaire CEO with nothing to gain and everything to l…
/r/MensRights07/06/16 03:11 PM
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It was a light sentence because the judge obviously thought it was a bullshit verdict. No surprise there. https://www.reddit.com/r/MensRights/comments/4mwzng/brock_turner/
/r/MensRights07/06/16 10:01 AM
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It wasn't clear whether he had sex with her as well. It was clear. He didn't.
/r/MensRights07/06/16 09:39 AM
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expired when she lost consciousness This is really the key prosecution claim. Unfortunately Brock is the only witness. Consent to digital penetration was clearly given on the dance floor and all the way to the back of a dumpster.
/r/MensRights07/06/16 09:38 AM
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Here's what I've gathered https://www.reddit.com/r/MensRights/comments/4mwzng/brock_turner/
/r/MensRights07/06/16 09:33 AM
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This is worth listening to for anybody that considers this sentence 'lenient' http://freakonomics.com/podcast/making-sex-offenders-pay-and-pay-and-pay-and-pay-a-new-freakonomics-radio-podcast/
/r/MensRights07/06/16 09:29 AM
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added some above
/r/MensRights07/06/16 09:19 AM
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Unfortunately, no. The best source of information we have is the formal charges and the victim's statement, which is full of contradictions if you read it carefully and try to piece together a timeline.
/r/MensRights07/06/16 08:52 AM
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Juries do insane shit. Every DA, lawyer and judge knows this. This DA turned it into a circus from day 1 without even consulting the victim.
/r/MensRights07/06/16 08:35 AM
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Also, if he only planned to stop when she was unconscious (which he didn't), it is still rape. He was not charged with, nor convicted of rape. You obviously have no interest in facts.
/r/MensRights07/06/16 08:18 AM
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