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The metaphor is the red pill/blue pill from the matrix, which as I’ve said is ironic. With the question you’ve asked, I’m not sure I’m going to make much headway here. There is no relationship that is more important than the health and happiness of the people involved. Stability in oppression is oppression. It only looks like stability when you have 0 empathy for the person being oppressed and turn a blind eye to all the generational trauma it is perpetuating.
/r/ExRedPill21/01/24 02:54 PM
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That's the thing, this isn't a matter of opinion, it's a problem of listening to people that are making stuff up. The earth is *not* flat, that's not an opinion. It is verifiable. Women are not a different species with brains that work fundamentally differently than men's. They are human. There are medical differences between men and women, but people are people. Hypergamy is fictional. See the side bar in this subreddit for plenty of proof. Cheating happens. It happens for a reason, but it's no…
/r/ExRedPill21/01/24 02:26 PM
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Your feelings are real, but the things you are afraid of are not. Red pill content is convincing you to be afraid of falling off the edge of the flat earth, when the earth is not flat. You’re watching the content because it’s addictive and giving you easy answers, but it’s going to ruin your life. Relationships are hard because people are complicated. Anyone promising you easy answers is trying not to sell you something. Divorce happens, but the divorce rate is falling. The ultimate irony of the…
/r/ExRedPill21/01/24 02:06 PM
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Gender is a construct. We’re all just people. Have a good one 😀
/r/ExRedPill18/01/24 10:06 PM
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I am sorry anyone is victim blaming you. It hurts to be betrayed, and knowing someone prayed on you when you were vulnerable makes it even worse. Learning from our mistakes is good and healthy, but if we internalize too much blame we learn the wrong lesson like “never trust other people.” Find a non-sexist therapist (that knows what all this garbage is) and I wish you well on moving on with a full and happy life.
/r/ExRedPill18/01/24 08:03 PM
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Red Pill and every easy answer like it is exploiting an emotional need that is not being met. You’re right I’m generalizing about what that need is, because it’ll be different for different people. It uses pipelines, radicalization steps, and propaganda techniques that are far from new, but we have (as a society) failed to inoculate against them.
/r/ExRedPill18/01/24 07:54 PM
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When trying to deal with traumatized people, there’s a big emphasis with not focusing on the behavior but on the need and the trigger. Redpill is a harmful response to the symptoms of loneliness and mental health. I’m not sure how successful you’ll be fixing the beliefs when the underpinning issue is not addressed. That being said, there’s a sidebar on this subreddit with all the big things debunked. If facts are what you’re looking for they are there, but when you’re not processing all those ne…
/r/ExRedPill18/01/24 06:35 PM
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Facts. The big pitfall I see around the attraction conversation is entitlement. When someone feels entitled to a romantic relationship, or to a romantic relationship with someone who meets an unreasonable standard, they aren’t emotionally ready to be someone’s equal and partner. People should have high standards, but they need to love themselves enough to be happy alone first. In a lot of women’s spaces I’m seeing the trend of women happy not to be in a relationship where you they were stuck man…
/r/ExRedPill14/01/24 08:37 PM
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Lol. Thanks for all the replies though! I wish at least one of them had something to say, but you do you.
/r/ExRedPill14/01/24 08:20 PM
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Yeah I’m real sorry but no, absolutely not. Your “digital age” comment is being either intentionally dense or disingenuous because there are so many self help channels on YouTube that don’t tell you to degrade women. There is no “moderate” amount of RP that is good for you. The core message is unhealthy and dangerous. By consuming any amount of it you are actively sabatoging your ability to have healthy and satisfying relationships with half the worlds population. It’s like saying “being a flat …
/r/ExRedPill14/01/24 12:28 PM
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You could find those ideas and suggestions in absolutely any self help book, movement, or group. Nothing is wrong with any of those specific things you listed, but my question is why get that from the group who’s core message is hateful and misogynistic? Anything as wide and diverse as what we’re talking about is going to have people saying stuff totally divorced from the core message. The KKK had a big philanthropic wing, but their core message was wrong. The OP has mentioned a couple times tha…
/r/ExRedPill14/01/24 03:15 AM
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Oh hey! It’s you again, with the same post as before. I’ll ask the same question as last time and maybe this can be more productive. What are the positives you see in Red Pill ideology? Can you list the parts that you think are acceptable in moderation?
/r/ExRedPill13/01/24 10:09 PM
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Cool! You replied, with 0 useful context or information. For whatever is going or has gone wrong in your life that is making you think a movement built on a bedrock of misogyny makes some good points, you have my empathy. Thank you for sating my curiosity, at least.
/r/ExRedPill08/01/24 08:43 PM
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Well put. I’m morbidly curious if OP’s going to reply with any of the “truths” he sees, but I’m at a loss when someone is trying to both-sides an argument that boils down to “but what if misogyny is actually good?”
/r/ExRedPill07/01/24 03:29 PM
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Sorry, the possibility of sex doesn’t depend on you liking them, and intentionally or subconsciously that sort of phrasing and thinking is what I’m talking about.
/r/ExRedPill22/12/23 03:49 AM
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Some people can be blunt and still empathetic, other people say they are blunt as an excuse to be rude. When I say empathy, I mean if you just find out a friends mom died, you would probably not say “hey, do you want to go on a road trip with me?” (Or hey, do you want to go on a date?) but you might offer to buy them dinner. If you want to ask a person out, a quick check of “is this a reasonable time and place for them to do so” is good. Just like you would for anyone else who doesn’t tickle you…
/r/ExRedPill22/12/23 03:19 AM
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Here’s the best thing to help that I can think of: women are people. Not sub-human, not magical gazelles, just people. If you had a guy friend, how would you ask him to go on a road trip with you? How would you ask to borrow money? How would you ask him to see a movie with you? Some of these are easy and some are tricky, but you approach them the same way you do asking out a woman because they’re just people. Be honest about your feelings, be willing to pull back for a bit on a friendship if tho…
/r/ExRedPill22/12/23 02:43 AM
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So, lots of possibilities to look into (preferably with her). If this seems to be a change in her interest in libido, it could be physical or mental health related. Please tread carefully here, and I probably wouldn’t bring it up until exhausting everything else. Her sex and intimacy before was performative and she is actually somewhere on the ace (asexual) or aro (aromantic) spectrum. There is no “fixing” this, but there are a wide spectrum of heathy relationship options out there if that’s wha…
/r/ExRedPill21/12/23 04:05 PM
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If you posted something hurtful and hateful, people have a right to be hurt and distrustful of you. “I was angry” is a defense of someone who might not yet be ready to atone for harming someone else, so I’d encourage you to sit with that for a bit. You also deserve to move on and grow from who you were. You’re supposed to look back and cringe about who you are. Own your mistakes, make amends for harm done, and forgive yourself.
/r/ExRedPill15/12/23 07:07 PM
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To clarify, are you saying you see a big difference between redpill and incel ideologies? Are you still posting these things, or are you concerned people are judging you based on your past?
/r/ExRedPill15/12/23 05:10 PM
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Empathy is a muscle. It gets stronger the more you exercise it. Like you said, though, if you don’t want it then it won’t happen. Fair enough.
/r/ExRedPill10/12/23 09:32 PM
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1) don’t take the “you” in my post too personally. It’s more just pointed at whoever it resonates with, but English doesn’t have great pronoun options lol 2) don’t sell yourself short. Unless you’ve been diagnosed with one of the big-bad personality disorders you are totally equipped and capable of making connections with people. It’s going to sound dumb, but date yourself for a bit. Treat yourself to things, take yourself out, and invest energy in yourself. When you go out you don’t have to be …
/r/ExRedPill10/12/23 08:05 PM
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Do most men? I don’t know if we can answer that. Do most men in the red pill/PUA/manosphere community? Yeah 100%. That’s the whole point is to dehumanize and other women and to reduce them down to a service or function. There are shitty people of all genders, sexes, and ideologies, but the issue here is just a self fulfilling cycle of lonely men who listen to bad advice to see women in a way that we as a society are leaving behind one agonizing step at a time. That world view then just further i…
/r/ExRedPill10/12/23 05:20 PM
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Chemistry. A spark. That indescribable feeling we’re all chasing. There is no check list or set of features that are guaranteed to produce chemistry. People are as different and varied as the universe. If you want to call it attraction that’s fine I don’t think the difference is huge, except for the pitfall of thinking “be conventionally attractive” is the takeaway, and then you’ve missed the plot.
/r/ExRedPill10/12/23 03:27 AM
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Picture this: you have a friend who wants to hang out, but only because they want something from you. How do you feel about this person? Does knowing this make you want to spend time with them? How would you talk about this person with your friends? The flaw with… all the pickup/redpill/whatever (not the only flaw) is people don’t like to be used, and they all treat women as objects to be used. There is no trick, one special rule, or system for dealing with people. Anyone trying to sell you advi…
/r/ExRedPill09/12/23 02:27 PM
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Sure, breakups suck. They hurt. Yes, I’m going to side with anyone trying to have bodily autonomy. I mean, that’s not even remotely close to a point. What is the truth you think you’ve hooked into? Do you think this “truth” is making you happy? Cynicism is a warm blanket that can feel good to wrap ourselves in, and sometimes it’s even the right move. Stay in there too long and you start to get things twisted and the world becomes a sad place.
/r/ExRedPill08/12/23 10:59 PM
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I hope you can see how sad that outlook is. Reducing a human to just a sexual service and all effort to connect with someone else to a return on investment calculation cannot be a satisfying way to live. OP went from having a connection based on mutual interest to a (literally) transactional experience that was underwhelming and disheartening. I completely understand making bad decisions due to horny brain. No judgement here. If you both can find value and joy from all interactions with people a…
/r/ExRedPill08/12/23 10:35 PM
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Ok, let me rephrase. Intimacy is about more than sex. If you are feeling lonely, that is a lack of intimacy in your life (or mental illness, which I don’t want to discount or diminish) basically by definition. Sex is great but won’t fix that. Your manhood and happiness is not dependent on sex, and by focusing on this you reduce half the population to a service. Unfortunately that focus on sex and world outlook makes you (general “you,” I don’t know you to say this is true or not) unattractive to…
/r/PurplePillDebate05/12/23 06:38 PM
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I get that you’re tired of seeing the argument, but I mean, you can take a step back and see how what you just posted is an example of the problem, right? Like, talking about sexless men and women fucking “the wrong men” in the same thought is part of what I’m talking about. What you posted does not demonstrate a healthy view. Men and women are just people. That’s it. If you want to talk about gender roles being problematic, the mechanism that gets enforced by is the word everyone seems to hate …
/r/PurplePillDebate05/12/23 12:17 PM
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Oh man I’m going to need a source on this because…umm… I think you just made that up.
/r/PurplePillDebate04/12/23 08:20 PM
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I think the problem with the point you are making here is scale. There are absolutely shitty people of every sex, gender, and nationality. There are people who do bad things. You just cannot compare that to a pervasive, near universal internalized misogyny that is the heart of the problem.
/r/PurplePillDebate04/12/23 06:57 PM
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I will absolutely give you that there are lots of different opinions within the red pill ideology, but the foundation of it based on every single expression of it I have seen is self defeating by blaming women or being excessively cynical. Patriarchy might be a broad term, but that’s because it is a broad and pervasive problem. Discounting it because it’s a broad term seems like a fatal flaw.
/r/PurplePillDebate04/12/23 06:23 PM
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Women are still averaging fewer sexual partners than men in every general report I’ve seen. Average relationships are also starting later. You’re not wrong that men cannot get away with mistreating women like we could in previous generations, but the answer is to treat them as equal human beings more than just a potential mate. Make friends (actual friends, not friends hoping for more) with women, be social. Women are going to be turned off if you think of them as lesser humans, so we have to sh…
/r/PurplePillDebate04/12/23 05:34 PM
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I think the difference is one side says to confront your (internalized or very public) misogynistic and patriarchal thinking, and the other says to double down. One wants you to work towards being a capable and equal partner, and the other tries to tell you that women are the problem. It’s fair criticism to say that “work on yourself” is too broad, as the two communities have very different ideas of the end goal.
/r/PurplePillDebate04/12/23 05:26 PM
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I’m just make fun of ya, it’s all good. I mean, not for your spouse, but not my life to live.
/r/PurplePillDebate04/12/23 04:07 PM
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RemindMe! 5 years
/r/PurplePillDebate04/12/23 03:57 PM
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Gotcha, enjoy being lonely I guess.
/r/PurplePillDebate04/12/23 02:46 PM
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Ok, so I’m not sure what that word salad was supposed to mean. I think every functioning adult understands what housework is required on a daily basis unless you are a pampered man child who has never had to do basic housework because you have had women do it for you. I don’t know you, so I don’t know which is the case. In your incredibly specific question, the couple has agreed that the wife will not work. Why? That’s going to be different for every couple. Who are you seeing say that all women…
/r/PurplePillDebate04/12/23 02:40 PM
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Do you know what a straw man is? You have intentionally constructed the most slanted question you possibly could, which makes me think you’re not looking for real answers.
/r/PurplePillDebate04/12/23 02:30 PM
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Some people are “nice” as a manipulation tactic, and this will always lose in the end because the mask will eventually slip. Some people are “nice” because they have empathy and see their fellow humans inherent value so the kindness is just what naturally follows. The way you talk about “drug dealers getting pussy,” it seems like you might not view women as equal, and I’m really sorry but you cannot have a successful and healthy relationship with that view. Of course you have to be attractive; y…
/r/PurplePillDebate04/12/23 01:16 PM
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There are shitty people in the world or any gender so I’m sure it’s possible, but yeah. Every successful relationship I know and can think about has both partners appreciating the care and respect their partner shows them. It’s not just about being nice. The “nice guy” act fails because it is at its heart manipulative, and trying to be nice in order to get something like sex or a relationship. When you hold a basic respect and love for all people in your heart and you behave according to those f…
/r/ExRedPill03/12/23 12:38 AM
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Can you elaborate? I would say my point is that the foundation of the online red pill ideology is toxic masculinity and misogyny, so Tate is the logical end point. I’ve never seen anything healthy come from it.
/r/ExRedPill03/12/23 12:24 AM
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That is profoundly sad, and you need to hang out with better people because I have a hard time believing this.
/r/ExRedPill03/12/23 12:16 AM
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A lot of my online gaming groups are either even mixes or predominantly women, but spending some time lurking and absorbing what people say in r/twoxchromosomes has done a lot for seeing a spectrum of perspectives.
/r/ExRedPill02/12/23 10:35 PM
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Well put.
/r/PurplePillDebate02/12/23 09:36 PM
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I think your first paragraph is spot on, but then you lose the plot. Social pressures (outdated gender roles, men who wish it was the 1950s again, conservatism) make men unattractive. Women are freer now than any time in recent history to live a successful life without a partner, so the threshold for men has been raised above “not actively making her life worse.” There are so many voices telling men how to be a man and actively leading them down unattractive paths. Dating apps make things worse …
/r/PurplePillDebate02/12/23 09:28 PM
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Can I ask why Andrew Tate’s attitudes toward women is surreal given his status on the red pill space? To me those views seem like the logical conclusion of most red pill ideologies, so that word choice makes me think you might have some interesting insight!
/r/ExRedPill02/12/23 09:15 PM
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In every women’s space I’m in, what they are looking for is chemistry (which is going to be different for every human), basic human respect and viewing them as autonomous and equal, and someone who will treat them as a partner instead of a mom or a bang-maid.
/r/ExRedPill02/12/23 09:12 PM
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I think it’s more insidious. The entire house of cards comes down in the face or a competent, confident woman. As people age they get more confident and capable of standing up for their own interests. The wall is just another way to identify people as less likely to be part of the vulnerable and exploitable population. It’s less “you’re no longer desirable” and more “I’m dumping you before you wise up to my abuse and manipulation.”
/r/ExRedPill02/12/23 07:27 PM
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That's a lot of question packed into a few words. Unconditional love is a charged phrase that gets used by different people to mean different things, so I want to start out by making sure we're using the same definition. The idea is that the love you feel for someone is not dependent on external factors, what they do, look like, or provide. If your love has a condition (I love you as long as you put out, I love you as long as you finance my lifestyle, I love you as long as you don't ask too much…
/r/ExRedPill27/11/23 04:27 PM
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