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/r/PurplePillDebate25/08/22 04:24 AM
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Damn, I guess that makes you a real freak.
/r/PurplePillDebate25/08/22 04:09 AM
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So are feet, so I guess that isn't a fetish either? thinking
/r/PurplePillDebate23/08/22 07:59 AM
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LOL, go take your birthing fetish somewhere more appropriate, lady
/r/PurplePillDebate22/08/22 05:36 PM
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No, but people are generally far more willing to let genetically unrelated females do exactly this, which is his point.
/r/PurplePillDebate21/08/22 09:19 PM
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Please read his post before commenting on it.
/r/PurplePillDebate21/08/22 08:04 PM
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Men don't get to choose when children are born. Women do. EDIT: Did. LOL
/r/PurplePillDebate30/06/22 03:05 PM
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There's a lot of people like me who are only in favor of abortion rights on the grounds that the fetus isn't a person; we don't buy into the idea that women have the absolute right to murder whoever they want for their own personal medical expedience. Early abortions are a no-brainer. Excessively late-term abortions are not.
/r/PurplePillDebate30/06/22 03:02 PM
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Disparate impact analysis is lost to men the moment they are conceived.
/r/PurplePillDebate30/06/22 03:01 PM
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I got a 4 on the AP Calc exam yikes
/r/PurplePillDebate28/06/22 06:17 PM
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I'll bet you're one of those people who shares facebook memes about math being just fine until "the letters got involved"
/r/PurplePillDebate28/06/22 05:55 PM
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Tell me where I said its all mens fault. When you used the word "abandon". Feel free to correct me if I'm wrong. What culpability do you think the woman holds in this situation?
/r/PurplePillDebate28/06/22 05:54 PM
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Blows my mind that there are people in this world who can't understand analogies and hypotheticals
/r/PurplePillDebate28/06/22 04:53 PM
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I don't like this game where everything is actually men's fault. Is there a gender ideology that doesn't do this?
/r/PurplePillDebate28/06/22 04:50 PM
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your kid is out there growing up fatherless and poor blame the mother, she has all the power to decide how and when children will be born EDIT: had* LOL
/r/PurplePillDebate28/06/22 04:44 PM
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As I explained in previous posts, I hate women.
/r/PurplePillDebate28/06/22 12:44 AM
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Oh well. I guess as a man I just can't help hurting women for no reason.
/r/PurplePillDebate28/06/22 12:36 AM
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I see zero evidence of men’s soft spot for women. Then you wouldn't miss it :)
/r/PurplePillDebate28/06/22 12:20 AM
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Women have absolutely no such power over me—but I understand the spirit of your criticism. You think that men's soft spot for women is entirely and merely licentious in nature; this is a common yet hideously faithless slander of men's love for women—and yet another reason I believe you don't deserve it. The women of the west deserve incels and redpillers.
/r/PurplePillDebate27/06/22 11:57 PM
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Men care a great deal—way more than women care about them. I want that to stop.
/r/PurplePillDebate27/06/22 11:45 PM
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All of the women I care about either live in blue states, or are morally against abortion themselves. And in the event one of mine were somehow trapped in a situation where they needed an abortion but couldn't get one, I'd probably help them out. I foresee no circumstances in which a woman who I care about needs to get an abortion and can't. But you seem to be arguing that women you don't know and will never meet driving to blue states to get abortion is either harming you Nah, I'm just saying t…
/r/PurplePillDebate27/06/22 11:41 PM
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I agree that it's not a person. I don't see why I should care about women I don't know and will never meet needing to drive or fly to the nearest blue state in order to get rid of it. Those women don't care about me or my problems as a man.
/r/PurplePillDebate27/06/22 11:35 PM
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I think the accommodating attitude toward women hurts men way more in aggregate than a lack of abortion does.
/r/PurplePillDebate27/06/22 11:23 PM
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Why? I'll never need an abortion.
/r/PurplePillDebate27/06/22 11:17 PM
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I'm not interested in having my interests as a man represented only when it benefits women too.
/r/PurplePillDebate27/06/22 10:42 PM
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No. Men are, as a class, extremely receptive to the reasoning do this for women because it's the right thing to do. I want them to become less receptive to it. I want them to become far more mercenary in what they are willing to do for women as a class, as women are toward men.
/r/PurplePillDebate27/06/22 08:43 PM
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Cool, I want more men to think about women the way you think about men.
/r/PurplePillDebate27/06/22 08:29 PM
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Women absolutely do see it that way. I understand that not every woman views men as an enemy, but I've yet to see one that views men as friend. They, at best, view men as a neutral third-party whose problems are not their concern. This is how I want men to view women.
/r/PurplePillDebate27/06/22 07:58 PM
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The Fall of Roe puts abortion back on the table as a bargaining chip. The major obstacle is to get men to start seeing gender politics in an adversarial capacity as women do, and start asking what's in it for me when women make demands, and saying that's not good enough when told that it's simply the right thing to do.
/r/PurplePillDebate27/06/22 06:18 AM
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women had the option when they chose to have sex just keep it in your pants nobody needs to have sex holy shit this is so fun i can see why women love doing it
/r/PurplePillDebate27/06/22 02:13 AM
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Just stick to keeping it in your pants and you'll be fine.
/r/PurplePillDebate27/06/22 01:05 AM
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I don't care about women's casual sexual availability.
/r/PurplePillDebate26/06/22 09:51 PM
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Sweet, I must have imagined all of the reproductive rights discourse about abortion.
/r/PurplePillDebate26/06/22 09:49 PM
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sure and women can just keep it in their pants if they don't want babies just like men do
/r/PurplePillDebate25/06/22 10:45 PM
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their legal abilities have ended (which is what is being spoken of), just like men's :)
/r/PurplePillDebate25/06/22 10:36 PM
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Mens reproductive abilities end when they have sex. And now women's do too :)
/r/PurplePillDebate25/06/22 07:55 PM
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It is what it is, and isn't what it isn't. Not hard to understand.
/r/PurplePillDebate03/06/22 03:52 PM
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I mean, she's not wrong. It doesn't matter how many women he's inseminated, he has no reproductive rights.
/r/PurplePillDebate13/05/22 12:58 PM
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yeah
/r/PurplePillDebate10/05/22 10:59 PM
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I'm pretty sure pro-lifers are against executing people who have medical debts
/r/PurplePillDebate10/05/22 10:39 PM
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Does this go for rape victims too?
/r/PurplePillDebate10/05/22 10:25 PM
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What does paying mom's medical bills have to do with supporting the child?
/r/PurplePillDebate09/05/22 01:53 AM
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Okay. Women opt in when they take a dick. Not my problem.
/r/PurplePillDebate08/05/22 08:18 PM
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When Roe was law, women had 100% of the power over the human reproductive process, in many cases from start to finish. It makes no sense to assign any degree of responsibility to men for a choice they have no say in. If a man is not to be a party to a woman's decision regarding her pregnancy, then he is not to be a party to that decision full stop and in all capacities—including apportioning accountability. I prefer the opt-in model: women have all rights and duties to their child and men none b…
/r/PurplePillDebate08/05/22 07:40 PM
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they are pro-choice until baby grows up and wants to smoke a cigarette (your argument is literally this bad)
/r/PurplePillDebate08/05/22 07:10 PM
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Look, I'm all for shunting as much reproductive burden on sex-havers as possible but nothing you mentioned has to do with supporting the child.
/r/PurplePillDebate08/05/22 07:05 PM
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Her body, her choice, her responsibility.
/r/PurplePillDebate08/05/22 05:33 PM
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If we're taking the idea seriously that it's child support and not mother support, than we're talking monthly about, like, what... $5? $10? for the caloric and nutritional requirements to support the child in utero? Something tells me that's not what's being proposed.
/r/PurplePillDebate08/05/22 05:32 PM
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Yes.
/r/PurplePillDebate08/05/22 05:28 PM
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Putting reproductive autonomy for men on the agenda.
/r/PurplePillDebate08/05/22 04:55 PM
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I'm glad that we agree. Since boys will only live to be 18, there's no point in sending them to school or worrying about their health, either. I think boys should be working 16 hour days as soon as they can walk to support women and girls. I mean, it's only fair and logical given what's happened with Roe.
/r/PurplePillDebate08/05/22 04:43 PM
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quote one example
/r/PurplePillDebate08/05/22 04:28 PM
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Who is complaining? I thank my neotrad overlords for letting me bask in this unprecedented level of seething.
/r/PurplePillDebate08/05/22 04:28 PM
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the amount of seetheposting this ruling has generated has been truly glorious
/r/PurplePillDebate08/05/22 04:24 PM
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I think we should kill and harvest the organs of men as soon as they turn 18 and give them to women and children. What else are they good for?
/r/PurplePillDebate08/05/22 04:22 PM
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It's actually a step forward for equality, as now we're closer to both sexes having no reproductive rights as opposed to just one.
/r/PurplePillDebate08/05/22 03:46 PM
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I think men should be paying child support from the moment that they are born.
/r/PurplePillDebate08/05/22 03:26 PM
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Unless these educated people are rendering me services for free, I'm already paying my way when they charge me for services. The military doesn't send me a bill on top of the taxes I already pay. Pay for your own kids' college.
/r/PurplePillDebate08/05/22 02:26 PM
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you will never hug and nuzzle a femcel while she claws and screeches rape at you why live
/r/PurplePillDebate01/05/22 09:18 PM
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How would he do this?
/r/PurplePillDebate30/04/22 10:18 PM
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women take responsibility for their unilateral reproductive power challenge (impossible)
/r/PurplePillDebate29/04/22 02:18 PM
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Why do they do it?
/r/PurplePillDebate05/04/22 04:43 AM
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I suppose since you were forthcoming enough to say so I should say that you're the very first I've spoken to public or private that was willing to even consider it.
/r/PurplePillDebate17/03/22 01:29 AM
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Just for my personal records if you don't mind, would you happen to be a man or a woman?
/r/PurplePillDebate16/03/22 07:38 PM
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Would you be willing to consider a tax credit for those eligible for selective service?
/r/PurplePillDebate16/03/22 02:16 PM
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Peace, if it knows what's good for it.
/r/PurplePillDebate15/03/22 08:04 PM
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Why would a man want to fight for a civilization that thinks so little of him?
/r/PurplePillDebate15/03/22 07:58 PM
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I already said that I would expect all women who left to be able to return two comments ago. With their stuff intact, like you would deny a man? No? Are you dodging the question on purpose? Literally we're arguing about protecting wombs by allowing women to leave so Right, because they are people who can take those wombs somewhere else if they please. They don't belong to anyone. I presume you're not going to demand they come back?
/r/PurplePillDebate15/03/22 07:39 PM
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You said that as a man who does not fight I should expect to come back to nothing. Should this be true of women who do not fight, and have no husband fighting in their stead? I don't know how to make this yes or no question any simpler. I take issue with your rhetoric of "women's wombs" being conceived of a resource when it would appear to me that there is no context in which they are treated as such. Do you disagree? Sorry, this one is a little more open-ended than true or false.
/r/PurplePillDebate15/03/22 07:18 PM
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I genuinely have no clue what you think I want to say but am not saying. I don't self-censor. Then please, you are cordially invited to answer the question plainly. Do unwed women get to come back to nothing, like you would have of me? I don't care what nations do which policies, I am asking you. You had no reservation about sharing your opinion on the subject when it was about a lowly man like me. What should happen to spinsters? People are always a nation's resources, both men and women. Some …
/r/PurplePillDebate15/03/22 07:01 PM
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I dunno, but I'm not necessarily opposed to a "finders keepers" mentality. It's up to each nation to decide on how they will manage collective defense and property. You don't want to say it. I gotchu—I'll read between the lines. You may not like it, but the raw reality is that the reproductive limiting step of humans (and therefore any nation) is pregnancy and that wombs are therefore valuable national resources. But it's the men you're treating as mere resources. It's upon him you'll impose as …
/r/PurplePillDebate15/03/22 06:38 PM
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Do single women or women whose men didn't fight get essentially told to not come back?
/r/PurplePillDebate15/03/22 05:38 PM
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Practically, no. In principle, I'd demand to be made whole again in whatever way women are as well.
/r/PurplePillDebate15/03/22 05:26 PM
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Sure thing. You said that men should be expected to fight and die to keep their women and children safe. Mister Bear mistook this as a general statement about all the women and children in the nation, and asked why this obligation only seems to go one way. You rebutted that you meant specifically one's own women, ergo their mothers and presumably sisters and daughters—you're free to fill in the blank regarding just how many familial degrees you feel are appropriate. Curious, I asked if this mean…
/r/PurplePillDebate15/03/22 05:15 PM
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No solidarity, got it. Will keep those receipts when called upon in the future.
/r/PurplePillDebate15/03/22 05:03 PM
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I wouldn't fight for you, that's for sure.
/r/PurplePillDebate15/03/22 05:00 PM
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So you don't mind if I flee the country with only my own women?
/r/PurplePillDebate15/03/22 04:59 PM
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Biology isn't fair Doesn't mean we can't try to be. What reward should men enjoy for carrying this unique and unparalleled burden?
/r/PurplePillDebate15/03/22 03:52 PM
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not when abortion is on the table please pay attention
/r/PurplePillDebate08/03/22 01:56 AM
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This is easy. If you want to control social costs through coercive action, you apply that action to those who have the power. In this case: women.
/r/PurplePillDebate08/03/22 01:00 AM
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men who are raped are still made to pay
/r/PurplePillDebate08/03/22 12:55 AM
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It isn't obvious what you're responding to. The poster didn't ask why the policy was happening. The poster made a point about certain groups of men's disposition toward that policy. I took your post to be an answer to that, which is to say you believe that the presence of traditional gender roles acts as an alternative to the presence of hypocrisy in their support for Ukraine. I'm wondering what that alternative is. What is it about gender roles in Ukraine that offers counter-balance to the sexe…
/r/PurplePillDebate04/03/22 01:28 AM
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Solution: nobody leaves.
/r/PurplePillDebate04/03/22 01:21 AM
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Did your post have a point? If so, what was it?
/r/PurplePillDebate04/03/22 01:11 AM
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In what way are women expected to lay down their lives for men?
/r/PurplePillDebate04/03/22 12:19 AM
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Because the world will not protect their gentleness.
/r/PurplePillDebate24/02/22 08:15 PM
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Now just because you go to a strip club, doesn’t mean you are cheating 100% cheating
/r/PurplePillDebate24/01/22 05:04 PM
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Clearly and unambiguously FDS, but this speaks only to the bias in what kinds of hatred reddit admins are willing to tolerate.
/r/PurplePillDebate18/12/21 07:01 PM
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Have fun defending that interpretation in court.
/r/PurplePillDebate30/04/21 11:08 AM
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They sure are, and as you'll notice this inclusive language only belongs to the perpetrator.
/r/PurplePillDebate30/04/21 12:47 AM
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“The penetration, no matter how slight, of the vagina or anus with any body part or object, or oral penetration by a sex organ of another person, without the consent of the victim.” This is the definition as understood the the FBI—the definition that is in question here. It enumerates the physiology that is eligible for protection under its classification. Do you see the word 'penis' in it?
/r/PurplePillDebate29/04/21 06:33 PM
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Fucking someone against there will is rape. Not if you're doing it to someone's penis according to this definition. Do you agree with this classification?
/r/PurplePillDebate29/04/21 06:18 PM
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This happened because feminists were upset about the original definition requiring penetration specifically of the vagina, neglecting rape via other means. The fact that the new protections happen to include men as a matter of shared anatomy is wholly accidental and there exists no evidence that this was in any way a part of the motivation from the onset of the campaign. The cited material regarding the agitation for this change in policy does not mention men at all, and I hope it goes without e…
/r/PurplePillDebate29/04/21 06:04 PM
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and if there were fewer insecure men in the world...
/r/PurplePillDebate22/04/21 06:45 PM
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I would note that a lot of words used for men have found themselves used to refer to everyone, "dude", "guy", "bro", so on. Just about the only one I can think of that hasn't gone this way is the word man itself.
/r/PurplePillDebate31/03/21 06:22 PM
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Why do you think he perceives it as an "attack on his masculinity"?
/r/PurplePillDebate31/03/21 06:14 PM
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I don't know how I can make it any simpler. If this is difficult for you to parse, maybe you should just stick to Feminism.
/r/PurplePillDebate31/03/21 05:12 PM
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“toxic masculinity,” the pernicious societal norm that being a man means “you can’t show emotion, that you can’t seek help when you need it, essentially that you can’t be fully human, you can’t be vulnerable.” If you ask a Feminist how our society enforces these prescriptions, they will draw blanks—because the foundation of their ideology says that there's no reason for men to be emotionally austere. The entire world is built for their benefit and to appease their sensibilities. The working Femi…
/r/PurplePillDebate31/03/21 05:04 PM
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It isn't "heh, what's wrong, girl?" (your weakness is like a woman, which is bad and you should feel bad) It's more like "heh, what's wrong, girl?" (as though I could give a single shit about your pain like I might if you were a woman LMAO) When people use female signifiers like this toward women it typically comes with a warm and tender quality in tow. When it's pointed to men instead, these qualities enjoy a hot, steaming dollop of contemptuous irony slathered on top—and that's what makes it o…
/r/PurplePillDebate31/03/21 04:46 PM
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I see nothing in what you've highlighted to suggest a portrayal of men as "victims of a society that doesn't care about them except for what they can provide". It appears to cast Toxic Masculinity as an irrational psychosis that has little to no bearing on reality. There's no extrinsic reason for men to be emotionally austere—it's all in their heads, perhaps imposed upon them by a misled parental figure. This is consistent with my experience of the broader position taken by Feminists, who virtua…
/r/PurplePillDebate31/03/21 04:41 PM
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did you even read his post
/r/PurplePillDebate28/03/21 07:42 PM
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did you even read his post
/r/PurplePillDebate28/03/21 07:41 PM
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Did you or someone else set it to reject feature updates?
/r/PurplePillDebate22/03/21 12:34 AM
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The only one on the planet?
/r/PurplePillDebate24/10/19 09:40 AM
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"By measuring x I have concluded that x > y" 21st century gender ideology in a nutshell.
/r/PurplePillDebate23/10/19 11:59 PM
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Wake up call: not everyone in the past was a feudal lord.
/r/PurplePillDebate25/09/19 12:01 AM
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Yes, I know that it "doesn't count" because the state does it.
/r/PurplePillDebate25/09/19 12:00 AM
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What does any of that have to do with men being liberated from living traditional masculine lifestyles under traditional gender roles Men are not. Enforcing adherence to "traditional masculine lifestyles" has been outsourced to the government. The "traditional masculine lifestyle" I'd like to escape is being a servant to a civilization that views my phenotype of human being as unworthy. I can't. I am not liberated. What point are you trying to make here? Your claim that men are the only thing st…
/r/PurplePillDebate24/09/19 10:13 PM
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If you'll notice, the selection of things I've cited are creatures of legislation. Individual men don't exactly have a choice in the matter when it comes to whether or not they participate. Whether I want to or not, if I want to earn my bread and the roof over my head, I simply must pay taxes into a government that routinely regards my caste as expendable. I have to participate; I don't have a choice in the matter. Now, recall that women can vote now. If you're unaware, I will inform you now tha…
/r/PurplePillDebate24/09/19 08:28 PM
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You didn't answer my question.
/r/PurplePillDebate24/09/19 10:38 AM
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Name a culture in which men were allowed to neglect the women in their charge to a greater degree than the men. One. Additionally, I suppose that given the obligations that a man had to his wife and daughters, I suppose he could be considered their "property" too, under the incredibly broad definition of property that you propose here.
/r/PurplePillDebate24/09/19 01:45 AM
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it's about understanding that women have been predominantly considered property for thousands of years. This is false. My car is property. As property, I'm free to allow it to fall into whatever state of disrepair as I please. This would not be true of my wife or daughter at any point in human history.
/r/PurplePillDebate24/09/19 12:45 AM
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and equally, men, being instilled with ancient ideas about gender roles, are confused about what it means to be a man in a new world Being a man in this "new world" means the same thing it always has: literally nobody cares about you. Men need to get in touch with what a woman wants, and create a culture that supports having equal relationships with women Also, if the current state of the world is to be considered a reflection of women's entrance of formal power into the world, women want anythi…
/r/PurplePillDebate24/09/19 12:44 AM
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How can you say men have not been liberated? The eternal roles remain the same. When we speak of power and accountability, these phenomena only go a single direction on the axis of sex. Same thing for worthiness and humanity. Everything you mentioned in this post is the superficial skin over an ancient skeleton. All of these examples are of men prying value as human beings out of the cold, apathetic vice of their sexual station, mostly through the acquisition of clout and power. A revolution in …
/r/PurplePillDebate24/09/19 12:27 AM
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I've been informed that it only happens when the "good men" aren't looking.
/r/PurplePillDebate20/09/19 06:57 PM
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Anyone who tells you that women did this is sorely mistaken. The current state of affairs, as they are, are a co-creation between both men and women's sexual-psychological morbidities and grotesqueries.
/r/PurplePillDebate20/09/19 09:57 AM
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Attacking feminism and attacking traditional gender roles are one and the same.
/r/PurplePillDebate18/09/19 10:05 PM
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Feminists want men to be liberated from gender roles too. Then why do they oppose the only movement that offers this? (as seen by the triggering that happens everytime someone dares to question traditional masculinity) I don't see men getting triggered about the MRM?
/r/PurplePillDebate18/09/19 10:04 PM
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That's a lot of words to say "I give up; you win."
/r/PurplePillDebate16/09/19 11:35 PM
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You're talking to a youths rights hardliner, so that's MY thoughts on power. You're dead right about tyranny, but the issue isn't men/women what the fuck are you even saying here i'm right but i'm somehow wrong? the power and accountability side of this issue is absolutely gendered and to ignore this is certainly a detriment to the well-being of children how can you say that you care about children when you won't even hold the most powerful people in their world proportionately accountable for h…
/r/PurplePillDebate16/09/19 08:44 PM
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"feminists" do not "swoop in to defend the modern child support system"--if anything they're leading the loudest cry to reform it, but men don't like that either because it means an increase in state aid lol "we don't defend it, we're so critical of it that we want it to be even bigger than it already is!" exquisite double-speak, there should be a reward for this You keep talking about "power" as if that's the relevant factor in a discussion of child rearing. It's not. The FUCKING CHILD is the r…
/r/PurplePillDebate16/09/19 08:03 PM
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Also good to have an admission on record that this actually has nothing to do with children
/r/PurplePillDebate16/09/19 07:57 AM
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Nah, I think I'll just let the enemies of women's reproductive rights keep on keeping on.
/r/PurplePillDebate16/09/19 07:41 AM
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me: completely sound argument you, an intellectual: you misspelled a word shut the fuck up
/r/PurplePillDebate16/09/19 06:46 AM
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it wasn't "feminists" who created the modern child support system via welfare reform. and yet it's feminists among other gender regressives who constantly swoop in to defend it, who gives a fuck who built it not "mothers", mind you--men get child support if they're primary caregivers even now a completely irrelevant non-sequitur to this argument which is based on who actually has the power in this arrangement the existence of a few women who managed to screw themselves regardless of their massiv…
/r/PurplePillDebate16/09/19 06:20 AM
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me: 100% of men should have reproductive freedom not just women, here's why you, an intellectual: about 30% have managed to kinda have it already by becoming fugitives from the law so shut the fuck up WeirdChamp
/r/PurplePillDebate16/09/19 06:08 AM
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The problem with your main point though is that not everyone believes in abortion and there are a whole range of issues around why a woman might not be able to abort. Let me know when the reproductive rights agenda has mine on it too and I'll be happy to support it.
/r/PurplePillDebate16/09/19 06:04 AM
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why can't that loser be the person who made the choice
/r/PurplePillDebate16/09/19 05:31 AM
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the availability of abortion is literally a given in this argument why is it so difficult for people to think clearly on this issue
/r/PurplePillDebate16/09/19 05:27 AM
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I already Googled "opposition to presumption of joint custody" and the only things I could find applied to cases in which domestic violence or child abuse were factors, which I find reasonable. Indeed this is the excuse, but it falls flat when you realize that the presumption is already rebuttable as proposed. Hard to fix a problem that doesn't exist. I can only presume that they use this misdirection because, clearly, it works. I also find it telling that most custody arrangements are arrived a…
/r/PurplePillDebate09/09/19 03:09 PM
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Source? You first. Maybe you'll wind up doing my work for me again :) About 380,000 women are receiving alimony out of a population of 135 million adult women. That works out to .002 percent. Right now, yes. I certainly wouldn't suggest that alimony reform is the most important issue for men in the world right now—I'd probably point at the grab bag of ones that result in deaths. Feminism has enabled women Ahem. What little has improved for men has often come despite the resistance of feminists. …
/r/PurplePillDebate09/09/19 04:58 AM
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For instance, quite a few states have adopted a policy of presumptive shared custody of children. And the few that have did so over the objections of feminists. Not all powerful, to be sure. Alimony is largely a thing of the past You overstate this. Feminism is your friend, it seems. Not even close. What little has improved has often come despite the resistance of feminists. Also, feminists oppose any interest or grievance on behalf of men that they can't see as being also beneficial to women, a…
/r/PurplePillDebate08/09/19 08:47 PM
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If it was men who established these things for their own interests, why are women and feminists also so firmly opposed to offering men this freedom for the first time? As the enemies of patriarchy, shouldn't they be all for it? To shield themselves from the burden of supporting indigent women and children, they passed laws to hold the fathers of said children accountable. And now that women in most of the West have complete and total power over the human reproductive system and its outcomes, we …
/r/PurplePillDebate08/09/19 02:45 AM
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EDIT: Disregard this post's previous contents. We're getting caught up in moot details. Regardless of what the alternatives are and how easy I'm sure they'll be or be made to access if and when Roe v. Wade sinks, the data still shows that, even in light of other potential options, women overwhelmingly use abortion as a means to achieve reproductive autonomy. This means that the question of why we are so hostile to extending the same freedom to men still remains.
/r/PurplePillDebate07/09/19 10:03 PM
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Oh, duh. I should have read between the lines. Of course, yes. The fact that female privilege would be re-enshrined elsewhere in the law is a foregone conclusion.
/r/PurplePillDebate07/09/19 09:27 PM
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"The reasons most frequently cited were that having a child would interfere with a woman’s education, work or ability to care for dependents (74%); that she could not afford a baby now (73%); and that she did not want to be a single mother or was having relationship problems (48%)." None of these problems require the annihilation of the fetus; it's simply inconvenient for the woman to be pregnant. ?????????????? Okay, now I'm simply genuinely confused. Tell me, how would any of these problems be…
/r/PurplePillDebate07/09/19 08:54 PM
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Did you take the time to even look at the results? Virtually all of the most common reasons are all motivations that would not be served if the fetus wasn't terminated. In fact, the only item on here that I can see that is unrelated to the status of the fetus is "Concern for her own health", clocking in at a whopping 6%—and keep in mind that this is multiple choice. Literally everything else is related to not wanting a baby, at least not right then. If these findings are to be believed, they sug…
/r/PurplePillDebate07/09/19 08:04 AM
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I can't imagine a woman who wouldn't want her fetus to survive, somehow. Well, unfortunately that's not what the stats say. Most women who procure an abortion report that they did so precisely because they didn't want the fetus to survive.
/r/PurplePillDebate07/09/19 04:57 AM
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The Future IS Female, basically. For purely humane reasons, one can only hope.
/r/PurplePillDebate07/09/19 02:26 AM
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You should be careful about the conclusions you draw. IIRC, this study only compared relative rates, not absolute, so it could simply be the case that men message average women as much or even more than the opposite, but that this difference becomes even greater at the extremes. Also IIRC, men send messages way more often than women, and so I'm pretty sure that this is what is going on here. It isn't exactly a revelation that men are visually sensitive to sexuality, even though we generally have…
/r/PurplePillDebate07/09/19 02:05 AM
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all the see is the open and visible "misogyny" and sexism towards women lemmie know when open and visible "misandry" and sexism towards men isn't the rule of the day until then, i sleep
/r/PurplePillDebate07/09/19 01:43 AM
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They don't talk about it because the culture at large already accepts that men are superficial. Meanwhile, the worst "flaw" that finds common acceptance is that women are just too wonderful and loving for their own good.
/r/PurplePillDebate07/09/19 01:37 AM
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Oh, I wasn't suggesting it as an option. I was insisting that, for the sake of principled fairness, women's only choice for ending an unwanted pregnancy will be one that does not offer freedom from unwanted parenthood. I hear it insisted all the time that ending the life of the fetus is a wholly accidental and irrelevant side effect of a procedure whose sole intent is to end a particular medical state within an individual woman. Therefore, objections about men's lack of reproductive autonomy in …
/r/PurplePillDebate07/09/19 12:44 AM
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What's the name? Looking forward to reading about it, honestly.
/r/PurplePillDebate07/09/19 12:28 AM
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Oh. Well, your previous reply seemed to indicate as much.
/r/PurplePillDebate05/09/19 08:47 PM
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I'm glad that we're in agreement that women's vagina pains have absolutely fuck all to do with a just arrangement of power and responsibility.
/r/PurplePillDebate05/09/19 08:45 PM
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I would rather enshrine in law that disallowing abortion is akin to forcing one person to provide a transfusion or organ donation to another person and that rather than focusing on the unborn fetus we should focus on a woman's right to end the physical state of pregnancy and not go through one. The fetus dying is an unfortunate side effect of a woman's right to not experience pregnancy. Okay, when artificial wombs become viable and Roe v. Wade dies because artificial viability begins at concepti…
/r/PurplePillDebate05/09/19 08:33 PM
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When abortion becomes illegal in the US due to the ability to extract a fetus into an artificial environment instead, I trust that you will be principled and accept that women can no longer exercise post-conception autonomy over parenthood and that if they become pregnant, they may be able to terminate their pregnancy, but they're gonna be mommies whether they like it or not. I am completely confident that you are principled on this issue.
/r/PurplePillDebate05/09/19 08:26 PM
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But men don’t have vaginas. Don’t get periods. Don’t get menstrual cramps. Don’t get ovulation cramps. Don’t get yeast infections. Don’t have to worry about their PH balance being disrupted just because they had sex with their SO/any penis. Don’t get pregnant. Don’t have their bodies altered internally and externally as a result of pregnancy. Don’t have to take hormonal and physiologically altering birth control yet are usually the ones pestering for sex, raw sex, finishing in her baby-making ty…
/r/PurplePillDebate05/09/19 08:20 PM
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Also...women take on the lion's share of the risk. True, but this is wholly irrelevant to a just assignment of responsibility. Risk that is voluntarily suffered is simply categorically different from risk that is involuntarily suffered.
/r/PurplePillDebate05/09/19 08:12 PM
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Could you give me an example of women's greatest military victory against men in the war for women's emancipation?
/r/PurplePillDebate05/09/19 07:55 PM
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I dont think feminist women are actually asking for mens permission. Do you think that women pose a credible military threat to men?
/r/PurplePillDebate05/09/19 08:01 AM
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you really think men allowed us anything..if it werent so cute coming from you it would have been embarrassing. know your history. Men gave women the vote almost as soon as they asked for it in any significant numbers. Women didn't take up arms against men and pry it from men from their cold dead hands, because they couldn't, and can't. Women pose little occupational military threat to men. Everything they have is by definition lent at men's forbearance.
/r/PurplePillDebate05/09/19 07:58 AM
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If a rape occurs and someone gets pregnant it's always a lose situation for the victim, but women draw the shorter stick here. I'd rather go though a one day fit of acute discomfort than lose a significant part of my income for the better part of two decades, but each their own. By the way, I hope you don't mind if I reciprocate the apathy you express of male victims.
/r/PurplePillDebate05/09/19 07:23 AM
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No, now she cares about other places in the world where women can't get abortions. You see, there needs to be a free abortion clinic in every block, then she might consider caring about reproductive rights for men.
/r/PurplePillDebate05/09/19 07:21 AM
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Everytime I see stories like this online everybody is angry about it Not "angry" enough to do anything about it, which is not something that can be said when an oversight in the law granted partial custody of a child to a man who raped the mother, even though she'd still be the one getting the support bucks. That was international news, and was promptly redressed.
/r/PurplePillDebate05/09/19 07:17 AM
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Yeah, but people got upset about that and the law was quickly changed. The cavalry isn't going to arrive for men shelling out a monthly sum to their rapists because nobody fucking cares.
/r/PurplePillDebate05/09/19 07:14 AM
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They are incompatible, and "man up" is not a feminist thought, expression or statement Says the individual who, just a few threads ago, was parading around this exact sentiment when asked why feminists don't actually support equality. It's all a sham.
/r/PurplePillDebate30/07/19 07:53 PM
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Can I call this policy retarded?
/r/PurplePillDebate30/07/19 07:48 PM
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The same people who are willing to support resources for women aren't for men. It's the same task, but on nightmare mode.
/r/PurplePillDebate30/07/19 01:26 AM
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I mean, there's still rare cases of injustice against women we havent solved. Yeah, and when they come up, we care enough to solve them. When that poorly written law forced that one woman to share custody with her rapist, people changed it. What happens when yet another man is ordered to pay child support to his rapist? Nobody gives a fuck.
/r/PurplePillDebate30/07/19 01:25 AM
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I'm going to try to give an honest answer on this one: because we're sold a narrative about how we're moving forward to The Great Egalitarian Unity where imagine all the people sharing all the world, but it's overwhelmingly obvious that nobody actually gives a fuck about men as a class. A lot of men don't have any other group identities that the intersectional Left Tribe cares about, and also aren't particularly conservative or libertarian in disposition, and so you have a lot of men who have no…
/r/PurplePillDebate30/07/19 12:30 AM
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I am extremely close to saying fuck it and embracing full-on sociopath mode. Nobody matters except me.
/r/PurplePillDebate30/07/19 12:15 AM
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Is your talking point machine broke, or are you honestly suggesting that to demand any provisioning for men for any reason whatsoever (for example, to suggest that men shouldn't be able to find themselves in a position where they are required by law to write checks to their rapists) is strictly equivalent to fat acceptance? That would be pretty stupid.
/r/PurplePillDebate30/07/19 12:11 AM
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I'm very happy that there's lot of women out there who are eager to tell men how awful they are and all the things they need to do to stop sucking. That's exactly how we help women with their problems.
/r/PurplePillDebate30/07/19 12:04 AM
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We get it, nobody cares about men and expecting them to is cringe because they never will.
/r/PurplePillDebate30/07/19 12:02 AM
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Plenty of women want to fix that by giving men advice about addressing their mental health problems more. Take your shitty "advice" and stuff it.
/r/PurplePillDebate30/07/19 12:01 AM
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What’s harder or impossible about having the same rules applied to you? They're not the same rules.
/r/PurplePillDebate30/07/19 12:00 AM
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That's all well and good, but it doesn't really matter how long your resume is so long as you respond to any mention of systemic issues with "shut up go do it yourself," you will always be a perpetuator of the root problem and thus an obstacle to anything that could truly be called egalitarianism.
/r/PurplePillDebate29/07/19 08:07 PM
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With an attitude like this, maybe us men deserve the cold indifference that our civilizations direct at us.
/r/PurplePillDebate29/07/19 07:15 PM
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I can only hope that one day espousing such a disposition will be costly enough to the point you'll reconsider it.
/r/PurplePillDebate29/07/19 07:14 PM
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As I've said before, people have tried before and have encountered challenges unique to men that are prohibitive. No amount of gumption can turn lead into gold.
/r/PurplePillDebate29/07/19 06:53 PM
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But in order to achieve your goals at scale, even the slightest of margins count. Attempting to provide services for under-served men right now is an entrepreneurial non-starter. The market isn't big enough.
/r/PurplePillDebate29/07/19 06:31 PM
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What's your actual problem with her actions? She responds to discourse on the subject of our civilization's under-provisioning of resources for men's issues by telling them to, and I paraphrase, man up and deal with it yourself. What about it is not going far enough? The numbers. It's about the numbers, my friend. They tell a very convincing story about what, and who, we care about and who we do not. This is what is shameful. that whole comment is full of negativity with no actual point made abo…
/r/PurplePillDebate29/07/19 06:26 PM
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I will hold my breath in anticipation for a warning to be issued to the individual who called my position retarded.
/r/PurplePillDebate29/07/19 06:19 PM
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I can't, because you have forbade any reference to it. If you'd like to talk about any of the other points I made, feel free.
/r/PurplePillDebate29/07/19 06:16 PM
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This is completely irrelevant to the post at hand. The complaint is that there don't appear to be the same amount of "tools" available to both sexes. We have tools for women, and tools for everyone—even in places where men suffer a greater proportion of the problem. This is shameful to a society that claims to be egalitarian, no? Surely we're doing this woman a disservice by making her job harder through our indifference. Nah, just kidding. She doesn't care either.
/r/PurplePillDebate29/07/19 06:15 PM
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If by "posting about it before" you mean something similar to the post above, that only proves my point. Yes, I get it. Pulling himself up by the bootstraps is the only help a man will ever get. That's why the current regime of "gender equality" is fraudulent.
/r/PurplePillDebate29/07/19 06:03 PM
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Sure, but it's readily apparent that helping men is purely accidental to her.
/r/PurplePillDebate29/07/19 05:53 PM
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Plenty of men and women help men. But not to the same rate, and people have violent, allergic reactions when you point this out. That's the sickness that the men's movement is seeking to cure, because as long as it exists, reaching true equality will be impossible.
/r/PurplePillDebate29/07/19 05:36 PM
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Okay, men are the ones who pave the roads. Why should women get to use them?
/r/PurplePillDebate29/07/19 05:34 PM
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Huh? If the building wasn't built, the shelter couldn't exist. But this isn't really important. Consider my other points instead. Are the construction workers who were paid to build a hospital responsible for the lives saved in it? You are the one who is insisting on making this gendered. If we're going to carve the world up into women did this and men did that, why stop at shelters? Why should women get to use roads that are paved by men?
/r/PurplePillDebate29/07/19 05:01 PM
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Women don't create this stuff by themselves. It's not unlikely that the buildings they put their shelters in were constructed entirely by men. Government and private charity offers resources for women's interests that it simply will not for men's. This is a systemic problem. I get that you don't care; that's the biggest obstacle that exists today to setting up such resources for men. People have tried to do it, and were stopped by the comparative indifference of a public and government that was …
/r/PurplePillDebate29/07/19 04:52 PM
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That's the charitable reading, anyway.
/r/PurplePillDebate29/07/19 04:36 PM
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Not all, but that's not important to the issue at hand.
/r/PurplePillDebate29/07/19 04:36 PM
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Telling men to piss off and do it themselves doesn't count as "doing something about it".
/r/PurplePillDebate29/07/19 04:35 PM
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Not wanting to play the game by harder if not impossible rules is not a demand for special treatment.
/r/PurplePillDebate29/07/19 04:34 PM
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I get it: you don't care about the gendered differential and never will. I will try to remove a brick from the wall of apathy elsewhere.
/r/PurplePillDebate29/07/19 04:32 PM
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Yep, true egalitarianism: that's the bullshit that MRAs are selling. Guilty as charged.
/r/PurplePillDebate29/07/19 04:30 PM
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Men and women have not come together to build men-only shelters because it doesn't solve a problem that co-ed shelters aren't already addressing. If that's the case, why does unsheltered homelessness remain a largely male problem? Why can't men and women get together and find a solution for that? Does that not count as an unsolved problem, in your book? Answer: neither men nor women care enough to expend that kind of effort or resource on behalf of men specifically. Women (and men who support wo…
/r/PurplePillDebate29/07/19 04:29 PM
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People have already tried, my friend. The woman who basically founded the women's shelter network tried to open a shelter for men and found that all the people she went to who volunteered resources for women had none to offer for men. This is a systemic problem that requires systemic solutions. Anything less is in act in spinning wheels.
/r/PurplePillDebate29/07/19 09:22 AM
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Part of overcoming this challenge means breaking through the stone-cold wall of apathy that lies as an obstacle to such a project. Yes, it is very hard, but maybe one day we'll live in a world that cares as much about the well-being of men as it does women, even if such a position today is radical. I wholly agree that there is much work to be done to bring this vision about.
/r/PurplePillDebate29/07/19 09:07 AM
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Yes they did. What are you talking about? Look, I get that you don't care. The problem is that most people don't care. The problem is that the people who do care are so small and aren't monied enough to do anything about it. IIRC, the biggest men's advocacy organization that exists is HoneyBadgerRadio, and they take in perhaps a few thousand per month, which probably wouldn't even pay rent for a shelter. And it isn't that people haven't tried to create shelters for men. Go read about Erin Pizzey…
/r/PurplePillDebate29/07/19 08:55 AM
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You think the president showed at some woman's doorstep with a bag of money, then she created it? How do you think organizations get funding? People have tried for men, and governments and private charities say no. Go read about a woman named Erin Pizzey and her attempts to open up a shelter for men. Make a plan for a shelter. Market it. Apply for funding from the government and private groups who might care. Build it. Run it. Keep advocating for it and applying for funding. This doesn't help wh…
/r/PurplePillDebate29/07/19 08:41 AM
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The male gender isn’t building hospitals by themselves, ningnong. The female gender isn't building DV shelters by themselves, either. Not even the women-only ones. Moreover, men are the ones who are doing most of the work and paying most of the taxes that go into them. Speaking of the building alone, it's not at all unlikely that not a single woman so much as touched it as it was being built. Compromise: let's prorate it. Women get the amount of services to the degree they are involved in their …
/r/PurplePillDebate29/07/19 08:35 AM
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What is it protecting men from? Higher rates of unsheltered homelessness. So it's not that women want all-women shelters because "men don't deserve special shelters", it's that women want a place where they don't have to fear being raped. Why do we insist on provisioning resources for women when they have special problems but not for men when they do? Why is that of course DV advocacy focuses on women, they're the ones who die all the time but not of course homeless resources are aimed primarily…
/r/PurplePillDebate29/07/19 08:20 AM
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I'm confused what the point of an "all male" shelter would even be. To make up for the fact that, right now, there are two resource pools: one for women, and one for everyone. Women have access to two pools, and men to only one. Let's take homelessness as an example: men currently dominate the ranks of unsheltered homeless. Could this be in part a product of having fewer resources available to them? The powers that be don't seem to be particularly interested in differential gendered impact analy…
/r/PurplePillDebate29/07/19 07:58 AM
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We don't have the government or private funding that they did. Hey, off-topic: do you think that women should only be allowed to use hospitals built by women?
/r/PurplePillDebate29/07/19 07:37 AM
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Sure, but the average of all these groups combined is resources for women but not men.
/r/PurplePillDebate29/07/19 07:13 AM
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Wow, at least you will admit that this arrangement isn't fair, and you admit that you don't care. That's far better than most, well done. The only thing you need to do now to earn the title of honest hypocrite is to admit that it's because we're talking about men's interests, when just one post ago, you were happy to moralize over the fairness about women's.
/r/PurplePillDebate29/07/19 05:52 AM
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Mm, no. Women make them lol Being a feminist and being a woman are not mutually exclusive edit: and being a woman is not mutually exclusive with receiving government aid.
/r/PurplePillDebate29/07/19 05:43 AM
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If those women champion themselves as vanguards of the brave new gender egalitarianism, yes, absolutely, or else they are frauds.
/r/PurplePillDebate29/07/19 05:42 AM
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Members of the ideology which currently hold a monopoly on the public perception of being the legitimate representative of gender issues, with the help of the government. What exactly is your point?
/r/PurplePillDebate29/07/19 05:38 AM
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dude just do it urself bro Whenever somebody says this in response to this question, it literally translates to "guilty as charged".
/r/PurplePillDebate29/07/19 05:31 AM
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"jus do it urself lol"
/r/PurplePillDebate29/07/19 05:28 AM
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A sterling example right here. If you want anything done for men, do it yourself, because I definitely do not care.
/r/PurplePillDebate29/07/19 05:27 AM
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You do realize that women pay all physical costs associated with pregnancy, yes? Costs that are entirely elective, unlike any costs incurred by a man.
/r/PurplePillDebate29/07/19 05:23 AM
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this is your daily reminder that trad-cons get the bullet too
/r/PurplePillDebate24/07/19 06:44 AM
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Geez, you sure are lucky that I just so happened to mention Clinton by name, otherwise, what excuse would you have?
/r/PurplePillDebate17/07/19 09:57 PM
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I didn't make any mention of her. You did. I did, and purely because Clinton is the name of the politician who said it, and for no other reason. You could have said the exact same thing as the example without mentioning Clinton by name and it would have qualified as a perfect score. You're the one who is making a big deal about it. You wanted some other reaction and sorry, I just can't give that to you. And that's why you fail the test. You cannot condemn the gendered element of the statement. W…
/r/PurplePillDebate17/07/19 09:11 PM
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Addendum: Clinton's identity isn't even important to this discussion. You could have passed with without making any mention about her.
/r/PurplePillDebate17/07/19 08:48 PM
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I want you to morally condemn a particularly chauvinistic and supremacist statement in no uncertain moral terms, and, if a man can only dream, relate the phenomenon of the statement itself and the reception to it to a moral deficit in our civilization. As I'm sure you would insist from me were the tables turned. At most, you're willing to offer a tepid objection to the factual premises of the statement that have nothing to do with the value of a man's life in relationship to women's convenience.…
/r/PurplePillDebate17/07/19 08:44 PM
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I have given you the solution to this test and you still can't bring yourself to say it.
/r/PurplePillDebate17/07/19 08:36 PM
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I understand. Anything to keep empathy away from men. At least now you know what you are.
/r/PurplePillDebate17/07/19 08:32 PM
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You couldn't fail this test harder if you tried.
/r/PurplePillDebate17/07/19 08:29 PM
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It's a pretty hideous and disgusting statement, and, frankly, the fact that Clinton's career didn't immediately end for having said it speaks volumes about our culture. This would be an example of an answer worthy of a perfect score. "It's not completely accurate" is a write-off.
/r/PurplePillDebate17/07/19 08:16 PM
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I can't help but notice a distinct lack of description regarding your very first interaction with the phenomenon, let alone an explanation about how repeated exposures should lessen the amount of compassionate response toward's men's lot in this culture, rather than enforce it. This is so easy, and yet you can't even pass the broadest test. There are harder tests than this.
/r/PurplePillDebate17/07/19 08:07 PM
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Empathy is about affect. I didn't ask you what you thought about the statement. I asked you how it made you feel. Because you could only muster a partially mitigated factual repudiation, I can assume that this means you felt nothing. Empathy test failed. To cite my flair as an illustration, compare your non-reaction to this hideous statement compared to how you would feel if it were an uncontroversial position among our society that men were the real victims of women dying in child birth.
/r/PurplePillDebate17/07/19 07:59 PM
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You fail.
/r/PurplePillDebate17/07/19 07:50 PM
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Okay, I'll administer the female-empathy litmus test. Women have always been the primary victims of war. Women lose their husbands, their fathers, their sons in combat. How does this statement make you feel?
/r/PurplePillDebate17/07/19 07:43 PM
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So that's the angle now, huh? When men talk about a disparity in empathy, what they really mean is that they are penis-angry? Women keep finding new and innovative ways to make not hating them a dynamic challenge.
/r/PurplePillDebate17/07/19 06:58 PM
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If they're like me, they understand this fear perfectly, but they just don't care. Why don't I care? Because women couldn't possibly care less about men's unique vulnerabilities.
/r/PurplePillDebate24/06/19 08:36 PM
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this is why mras and tradcons can't be friends
/r/PurplePillDebate24/06/19 08:27 PM
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Unfortunately, their tears do more than mine for quite a lot of people, which is the problem. Not everything is about you.
/r/PurplePillDebate17/06/19 02:36 AM
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The running theme in this conversation is that genuinely nice men are nice to women while "expecting" nothing. A nice guy is a man who is gallant to women but "expects" nothing at all, not just from any specific individual, but not even for the social landscape to acknowledge his virtue and eventually reward it with genuine companionship. Men don't deserve genuine companionship, not for any act. Women deserve it merely for existing. Why is it that older and successful women have a rough time in …
/r/PurplePillDebate16/06/19 11:04 PM
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Are women who engage in casual sex under the impression that it's an exclusive relationship?
/r/PurplePillDebate08/06/19 08:07 PM
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wgtow makes me laugh every time The vast majority of women would rather have cats than share. Also, the data does not appear to support this hypothesis.
/r/PurplePillDebate08/06/19 02:42 AM
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That isn't even the most glaring flaw in the conception of male privilege. Privilege is defined as unearned advantages that one inherits simply from one's identity. It should go without saying that most of what is considered "male privilege" doesn't even qualify as privilege at all. Unless you think that high paying careers and executive positions are assigned through a male-favoring lottery, or something.
/r/MensRights25/05/19 01:44 AM
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Of course there is a special ethic here because their is the possibility of an entire human life being created. But this ethic doesn't apply when lives could be taken? And far more than just one? Kids are not gifts that be just be taken back or walked away from. Right, but their existence can be chosen, and only women have this choice. The birth of a child is not a risk. It is a choice. Why is it that when we speak of reproduction, people talk about women as though they are mindless forces of na…
/r/PurplePillDebate22/04/19 08:21 PM
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But the woman wouldn't have been in the position to make any decision without a man's input, as it were. It doesn't matter. In all other cases, participation in the creation of a choice on someone else's part in no way implies necessary shared responsibility for the chosen outcome. If I put a gallon of gas in your car, am I responsible with what you do afterwards? If you crash the car or use it to murder someone, should I be held accountable? No. You're applying a special ethic to this case that…
/r/PurplePillDebate22/04/19 09:12 AM
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If a man willingly has sex with a woman knowing that it can result in pregnancy Sure, but this isn't enough for a child to be born. There's a choice in between, and only one person is legally empowered to make it. This is the part that matters, and the consequences can be laid entirely at the feet of the woman.
/r/PurplePillDebate22/04/19 06:54 AM
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The lack of fairness comes from biology. Wrong. Biology doesn't write our laws. There is no reason that men should be held responsible for a decision they are not party to, unless voluntarily bound. Period.
/r/PurplePillDebate22/04/19 06:01 AM
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If it's everywhere, surely you could provide some specific examples and ones that clearly show that this is a reflection of an imposition upon women rather than the other way around.
/r/PurplePillDebate22/04/19 05:07 AM
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"Many" being tiny, insular, ostracized communities that will never receive mainstream acceptance. You have a perspective problem.
/r/PurplePillDebate22/04/19 04:36 AM
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Men have control in most situations as to where they let their semen get released. But this isn't the decision that decides whether or not a baby will be born.
/r/PurplePillDebate22/04/19 02:12 AM
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They do define it. They've controlled the information about women's sexuality for the longest time This has got to be one of the most delusional things I have ever read in my life. Imagine seriously believing this decades after the sexual revolution proved once and for all that it's women and not men who control the sexual mores of a civilization.
/r/PurplePillDebate22/04/19 12:26 AM
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I'm all for consolidating the "manosphere" into a single coalition, but I'm wary about including tradcons in the mix. From what I've seen of their ideology, it isn't very friendly to male freedom. Just my two cents.
/r/MGTOW02/01/19 06:28 AM
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No they're not. Private ownership of the means of production is not compatible with public ownership thereof. Please read more.
/r/PurplePillDebate10/11/18 11:21 PM
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Right, but supporting women's reproduction through government subsidy is obligatory.
/r/PurplePillDebate10/11/18 10:55 PM
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Sweden and Norway are market economies, my friend. It's the only reason that they have any wealth to redistribute at all.
/r/PurplePillDebate10/11/18 10:53 PM
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Well, at least then we won't be arguing over these things anymore. We'll be arguing over who gets the last slice of bread.
/r/PurplePillDebate10/11/18 10:48 PM
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I'm having a conversation based on the belief that private property is a legitimate concept. If you want to engage in Marxist dialectic, you're not going to get very far with me.
/r/PurplePillDebate10/11/18 10:38 PM
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Oh, I don't care if a woman is in a relationship with a man who willingly pays for these things. That's perfectly fine. The problem is the use of force through the government. Most tax systems as they are in the West, are, among other things, engines of wealth transfer from men to women and their children. This means that women, as a class, cannot be considered "financially independent" from men -- particularly as it pertains to understanding their reproductive behavior.
/r/PurplePillDebate10/11/18 10:31 PM
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feminists have murdered more people than incels what should we do about the feminist problem
/r/PurplePillDebate10/11/18 10:12 PM
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who's stopping ya? the government
/r/PurplePillDebate10/11/18 09:50 PM
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Women are still financially dependent on men to rear children. We've simply removed the obligation from marriage to taxation. Really, this is the only gender issue I've come to care about. Women can fuck around all they like. I don't care. What really sets me up a wall is when people claim that women are somehow "financially independent" as a class in modern times when they are anything but. We have set up the most extensive social safety nets in the West that have ever existed in human history,…
/r/PurplePillDebate10/11/18 07:28 PM
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this is one of my personal favorite pastas god bless
/r/PurplePillDebate10/11/18 07:21 PM
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Do you know everytime incel shoots people, it's women who get shamed for not having sex with them? You are absolutely delusional and therefore I have nothing to gain by continuing to speak with you.
/r/PurplePillDebate10/11/18 06:51 PM
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You need to watch less TV and movies and watch the real world of flesh and blood more.
/r/PurplePillDebate10/11/18 06:32 PM
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The legal system is rife with penalties for men who do not play the game. The tax code has been jerrymandered with all kinds of traps and tripwires that disproportionately catch men, without even needing to take into account that men earn most of the taxable dollars. The family court subject has been beaten to death. The criminalization disparities have been beaten to death. I hope you're well trodden enough to not need a primer on these. But I guess because there's a few anachronistic names out…
/r/PurplePillDebate10/11/18 06:26 PM
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I want to know what planet you live on so I can move there.
/r/PurplePillDebate10/11/18 05:43 PM
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You're right. Bill Burr and sometimes Chris Rock get some PG-13 rated stabs in at women every once and a while. This is an adequate counterweight to the non-stop propaganda machine maligning men with endless faults both real and imagined. Oh, and I guess Tucker Carlson thinks that men aren't that bad, so really it all balances out.
/r/PurplePillDebate08/11/18 08:43 PM
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I've never seen a red piller who had a pristine view of men's nature. Hell, the entire sub is basically a celebration and veneration of men's worst sexual traits, but this means that it's no better than feminism. What makes it more honest than feminism is that it doesn't pretend to be anything but or deny it in any way. People don't need to be told that men suck. Everyone knows that men suck, and exactly why they suck. We hear all the time from the dominant culture that men suck, and even comple…
/r/PurplePillDebate08/11/18 08:37 PM
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There have to be serious consequences for false accusations. The problem will never go away until you apply disincentives. It's just that simple. Right now, we choose to let real predators have their way with real male victims because we care about them significantly less than hypothetical female victims. However, this may be an intractable problem. Neither women nor men care about male victims of women's aggression and neither are capable of identifying women's predation.
/r/PurplePillDebate07/11/18 07:00 PM
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and women deserve nothing better
/r/PurplePillDebate07/11/18 06:53 PM
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Well tough shit, its either stay or starve. Bullshit. I have never seen any system devised by humans in which women possessed no recourse for neglect, and I don't imagine that this one is any different. And the reason that modern work for women being able to work is a feminist issue is because not being able to make your own money leaves you essentially trapped. Daily reminder that you can literally serve up the world to women on a silver plate and many will spit in your face for it. Women still…
/r/PurplePillDebate05/11/18 01:09 AM
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I said it before and I'll say it again. Once feminists wake up and realize that promiscuity is bad for women, its rise to prominence in our culture will be blamed on men, despite the fact that sexual liberation was demanded for women by women and for women's ostensible benefit: to free female sexuality from oppressive male ownership. Obviously men did this. Who else would? It's men who are the sex fiends; it is only they who possess the motivation. Why would women bring about a cultural shift to…
/r/PurplePillDebate03/11/18 08:15 PM
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I am completely confident that you're not a filthy hypocrite and would be totally okay with a woman living in fear of her husband's violence so long as he never strikes her hard enough to leave a mark. Utterly confident.
/r/PurplePillDebate31/10/18 08:23 PM
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200iq post
/r/PurplePillDebate31/10/18 08:15 PM
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This is a tiny, tiny "victory". So a man might not be stopped by utterly empty allegations. Womp womp, as they say. You'd bet that if the allegations were any more weighty, perhaps if even a single of the witnesses Ford named corroborated her story, it's very possible that the vote could have gone the other way. But I supposed it's victory, no matter how small. You can be sure that the feminist types will throw this case in your face as an example of "rape culture" or a society that "disbelieves…
/r/MGTOW06/10/18 10:55 PM
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We need more context. Would it be possible for you to scan the whole thing?
/r/MGTOW30/09/18 08:18 PM
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I hope at least a few of those men take her to small claims for their travel expenses. This is fraud.
/r/MensRights25/08/18 11:40 PM
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"About". What is says on the tin isn't always what you get. Feminism is the reason that women have the right to vote but still to this day don't suffer all of the obligations of full citizenship. Feminism is the reason women have reproductive rights and men don't. Feminism is the reason women have resources for domestic violence and men don't. These are hardly the only examples.
/r/MensRights28/06/18 07:05 PM
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Feminism was never about equal rights.
/r/MensRights28/06/18 06:38 PM
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All waves of feminism are cancer, from the very beginning.
/r/MensRights28/06/18 06:31 PM
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It'd be great if these were made using 1st and 2nd wave feminist ideals. Then we'd have something that actually supported equality. more red pills for this one
/r/MensRights28/06/18 05:46 PM
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No, the US is every bit the shithole as the rest of the world when it comes to men's rights and social/cultural status.
/r/MensRights28/06/18 05:43 PM
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Things that will be in the history books. Really. Mark my words. Chapter 24, The Early 21st Century. Figure 24-5: The deaths of men were routinely ignored. It doesn't get more egregious that this, and from a world-scale state actor.
/r/MensRights05/05/18 06:43 PM
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It seems like most men here think they are top 20%, and I guess I do too. I'm probably not that far into the top 20% bracket. I do have a nice face and am relatively fit with distinctly masculine characteristics, and just about the only "flaw" that I have is that my hairline has peeled back a bit. Considering that I'll soon have a career with starting income well into the six figures with plenty of room for growth, I think that owning my own house in my mid twenties will put me up there if I'm n…
/r/PurplePillDebate24/10/17 05:13 AM
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Well it's a bunch of poo 💩 to say women can't love you. Is this society what you would call love of men?
/r/PurplePillDebate29/07/17 06:12 PM
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No, social contract broken for men and not for women. But if you want to engage in the blame game, yes, women guilty and men innocent. Men don't vote to make raping and killing women a legitimate part of the social contract. Women vote to make things like divorce rape a legitimate part of our society.
/r/PurplePillDebate29/07/17 05:53 PM
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If we're going to play the game of collective guilt, why can't I just say that all people are guilty of the crime that people commit? If you look at the crime, it's all people doing it. What possible objection could you raise to this? You can't. Once we start organizing people into victim categories, all objectivity flies out the window. It's a game where you try to draw the arbitrary borders to render the responsibility for the human condition as far away from yourself as possible. Men are also…
/r/PurplePillDebate29/07/17 05:47 PM
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It's funny because there's no possible argument against it. Once you start arranging people into victim and perpetrator categories, there's no objective way to do it. It's completely arbitrary. It just so happens that you draw the borders such that you're cleanly on the innocent side. It's all the people who aren't like you who inherit the collective guilt of other people's crimes. What a coincidence.
/r/PurplePillDebate29/07/17 05:40 PM
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Who cares? It's all humans victimizing other humans. All mammals victimization other mammals. All carbon based life victimizing carbon based life, all matter victimizing other matter. Instead of succumbing to moral nihilism, how about we draw the line between innocent and perpetrator on an individual basis?
/r/PurplePillDebate29/07/17 05:33 PM
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Yes, to which you responded with "poor women". The makeup of the individuals perpetrating the crime doesn't matter. We don't care about those people. We care about the people that they victimize. If this was any other demographic of people, you'd easily see the terrible bigotry taking place here. Blacks dying in droves to violent crime? Who cares! Whites are the real victims here, we're the ones disproportionately targeted by interracial crime.
/r/PurplePillDebate29/07/17 05:27 PM
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You literally linked an article entitled "CDC: Half Of All Female Homicide Victims Are Killed By Intimate Partners" in response to my attempt to add perspective to the topic.
/r/PurplePillDebate29/07/17 05:22 PM
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Of course. Why would we have a discussion about the subject at large when we can instead focus on the parts that look bad for women? Women die so much less often from violent crime that they're actually more likely to be killed by someone they're close to. Conclusion: Poor women :(
/r/PurplePillDebate29/07/17 05:18 PM
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Isn't it funny how men are by a significant margin the predominant victims of homicide and yet somehow it only matters when it happens to women
/r/PurplePillDebate29/07/17 05:14 PM
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"Women are just better people" is a common coping technique for why the world treats men like complete garbage.
/r/PurplePillDebate29/07/17 04:32 PM
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Not raping and murdering is in the social contract for both men and women.
/r/PurplePillDebate29/07/17 04:24 PM
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So some men rape and pillage, while the rest of men don't care. And this somehow isn't supposed to be evidence of men's overall heartlessness? Some men aren't willing to do it for free. That's not heartlessness. Many still are though. Men's good will towards women is largely unreciprocated.
/r/PurplePillDebate29/07/17 06:57 AM
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yeah, whoops. that wasn't meant for you.
/r/PurplePillDebate20/07/17 02:41 AM
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Homelessness/starvation in the west is usually a result of mental illness/substance abuse. It doesn't matter why they're poor. I could just as easily say that women are poor because they have kids. Wouldn't change a thing. Its not because men are less privileged. Most money is earned by men, which is then spent mostly by and on women. Men are affected more by health problems and violence, and yet more is spent for women. Gendered programs don't exist for men. They exist for women. Men by far sac…
/r/PurplePillDebate20/07/17 12:49 AM
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Actually starving, lacking shelter, that sort of stuff. Also, I remember hearing that these studies don't take into account government receipts, and child support receipts. So a lot of these women and children are "poor" because they aren't the ones earning the money.
/r/PurplePillDebate19/07/17 11:19 PM
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And yet somehow, poverty seem to hit men harder.
/r/PurplePillDebate19/07/17 09:33 PM
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But we're just going to assume that men did it for sex, because the premise of this conversation is that everything that happens in society is because men and sex.
/r/PurplePillDebate19/07/17 09:28 PM
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Farming was developed by men's sex drive. More food = more time for sex.
/r/PurplePillDebate19/07/17 09:25 PM
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Whenever someone accuses a group of people of being crypto-anything, ask them to produce the cipher. If they can't, tell them to fuck off.
/r/PurplePillDebate19/07/17 09:24 PM
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If you're going to take the route of "everything men do is about sex", then men's sex drive built all of civilization. A net positive, I'd say. Kinda funny how this "men are driven by sex" narrative only goes one way.
/r/PurplePillDebate19/07/17 09:20 PM
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Are you trying to claim that feminist is a descriptive term, and not a political movement? It's both. It actually seems as though you are claiming both, at the same time. That's because it is descriptive of a group of people who share common beliefs and also politically act on them. This sounds impossible to you? And also blatantly straw trolling. Whatever, dude. If you don't want to think outside rigid black-and-white confines that's up to you.
/r/PurplePillDebate17/07/17 11:46 PM
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So appearly 37% of women did in fact idly watch it go by. And if they voted, they very likely would have voted in favor, stats considered. And if they didn't, that only goes to show how idle the dissent is, which really only proves my point. Feminism hasn't yet reached the point where any significant fraction of women will actively oppose its claim to be their representative.
/r/PurplePillDebate17/07/17 11:27 PM
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They vote for a lot more than just feminism when they vote. Good thing I never claimed otherwise, and doing so is in no way necessary to my point. Allegedly. IIRC my old gender studies professor said the core tenet of feminism is that the female perspective is valuable and has historically been ignored. Sounds like a shortcut to something very similar to the core tenants I proposed earlier. That should negate your idea then. No it doesn't; because the reason that they do this is fear of losing m…
/r/PurplePillDebate17/07/17 11:25 PM
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So Catholics can claim all Christians are Catholic? No, but they are all Christian. They both believe that Christ is the son of God and died for our sins. They agree on the fundamentals. So respecting someone's personal choice denies them agency. That's your position, by refusing to label something primarily of their own creation as such. Are women capable of generating and propelling any macro-scale political movement, by your estimation? That right there is the core of why less women identify …
/r/PurplePillDebate17/07/17 11:04 PM
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At the end of the day feminism is about women not wanting to deal with bullshit Bullshit like doing better by almost every measure of wellness?
/r/PurplePillDebate17/07/17 10:40 PM
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Either they stand with a movement or idly watch it go by. Women do neither: they vote for it instead. Pew also showns that 54% of women preferred Hillary while 42% preferred Trump. Clearly women have a bias towards dems but it's pretty unfair to say that the 54% speaks for the other 46% of women. Good thing I never said that, then. First, bear in mind there are many different feminist ideologies, some of which are contradictory. But they agree on core fundamentals. A failed policy is the fault o…
/r/PurplePillDebate17/07/17 10:39 PM
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Where are these expectations and stresses coming from? The only answer Feminism seems to want to consider is men and their privilege. They are expected to be a man. And if they fall short of that they fear being ridiculed by their fathers, brothers, everyone alike. And why do the fathers and brother do this? Are you telling me it's entirely arbitrary, and if men stopped doing this everything would be happy and healthy and rainbows? What if doing this is actually an act of compassion from these m…
/r/PurplePillDebate17/07/17 10:37 PM
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It stems from the millennia of oppression women have faced. Even if this were true, it would hold no bearing over the world as it is today. There are no modes of power that men have that women don't have access to. This disposition is at best outdated.
/r/PurplePillDebate17/07/17 10:30 PM
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What if it isn't masculinity, but rather expectations and stresses upon men?
/r/PurplePillDebate17/07/17 10:20 PM
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But it's more than just one thing. It's many: Women were historically oppressed. Women are still the aggrieved sex today. Society is still by and large built by men for men. It's not some simple one-off policies. It's the core fundamentals that women agree with. So much so that we recently had a record-breaking Feminist march not too long ago. That wouldn't have happened without mostly women. I think that to deny women's involvement in Feminism is to deny their agency.
/r/PurplePillDebate17/07/17 10:17 PM
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How come? Do you have any proof of this? Because they do each and every time it happens. See: literally any movement that is non-feminist or feminist-critical.
/r/PurplePillDebate17/07/17 09:59 PM
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Feminism is mainly about female liberation, however nothing is really stopping men from using their money to fund centres for male victims. That's not what Feminists usually say. Usually it's feminism is for everyone and feminism is the only legitimate perspective on men's issues. MRAs are simply petitioning the group of people who claim responsibility for enforcing and executing gender egalitarianism for redress. Telling them to screw off and spend their own money is illegitimate. Feminists alr…
/r/PurplePillDebate17/07/17 09:54 PM
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That's because it was about the MRAs and the MRAs are anti-feminists. Of course the feminists would oppose an anti-feminist group. I don't see MRAs trying to shut down and silence feminist media. Well, in my country most feminist groups are against mandatory military service. Sure it's not enough, but at least they oppose it. And this opposition is dwarfed by their concern over microaggressions. There is a massive problem here. I am pretty sure in the US the law is gender neutral. It's the court…
/r/PurplePillDebate17/07/17 09:39 PM
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I'm not sure what solution you're expecting. Acknowledging that there is a problem and that it is gendered against men (not women!) would be a great start. Now, whenever you hear the term gendered violence, it's about the tiny subsets of subsets of violence where women are the majority victims. The next mountain is getting over our hyper-fetishization of male agency, which is one of the instunctual urges that Feminism peddles with reckless abandon. Instead of pointing at the male choice at the e…
/r/PurplePillDebate17/07/17 09:21 PM
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Men are going to have reproductive rights soon when the male birth control pill is perfected. Nobody is against this. Yes, but nobody is in support of it. It struggles to find funding. Feminism was massively involved in producing female birth control. To my knowledge, feminism will be 0% involved in the production of the male option. However, the biggest issue is that men are still being held liable for women's reproductive choices. Women in the U.S. (and I believe Canada) now have a constitutio…
/r/PurplePillDebate17/07/17 09:11 PM
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Perhaps I should elaborate. Twelve points is an enornous spread particularly when you're dealing with two groups that are homogeneously mixed—as in there is no clear way to separate them in any meaningful capacity. With most demographical dimensions you can separate them in many ways: geography, economic class, etc. You can't do that with men and women, meaning that the spread is almost entirely due to sex, and not other factors. Twelve points is an enormous spread because losing it would spell …
/r/PurplePillDebate17/07/17 09:03 PM
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Women like all people want to protect their own interests. Men don't seem to do very well in gathering together to protect their own interests as men. Anyway, what specific feminist laws are bothering you? The one that gave women the right to vote without equalizing the burdens of citizenship one way or another, the ones that screwed up the family courts, the ones that gave women reproductive rights but not men, the ones that steadily erode due process for the accused, the ones that enshrine spe…
/r/PurplePillDebate17/07/17 08:56 PM
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Twelve points is a massive spread in politics, and for groups that are so homogeneously mixed.
/r/PurplePillDebate17/07/17 08:50 PM
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Most of that comes from male gender roles. Roles which feminism seems hellbent on enforcing. Women should have rights over their body being used as a vessel. And men should not be held liable for the exercise of these rights. Men are victims of violent crime because of masculinity and how men see them as adversaries. So this means it's okay to ignore the fact that most of its victims are men? That's a deeper issue that honestly is more of a class struggle, not a gender one. Then why does this tr…
/r/PurplePillDebate17/07/17 08:50 PM
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But the general principles do seem to find support in women.
/r/PurplePillDebate17/07/17 07:51 PM
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Fighting for women's rights and social equality is definitely something all women can agree to. How would you rate the importance of the male side of this question? Stuff like men lacking an entire category of rights that women have (reproductive rights), the sacrifices that come along with earning more than women (death, injury, time, stress, pain, children), the health problems that have become so dire they're starting to affect demographics, the fact that men are the primary victims of violen…
/r/PurplePillDebate17/07/17 07:34 PM
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Clinton received only a few percentage points more of the female vote than Trump. That doesn't appear to be the case, though. Twelve points is a massive spread in politics, and for groups that are so homogeneously mixed.
/r/PurplePillDebate17/07/17 07:24 PM
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yet when we ask for help, it's "nagging" No it isn't. When you ask for help like a bitch is when it's called nagging. I notice this pattern a lot with women. "When we do something poorly, people don't like that." No shit. It's the same thing with the "when women are overbearing and tyrannical dictators, we're called bossy :("
/r/PurplePillDebate31/05/17 09:15 PM
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Also, it's rather unbelievable that we've reached the point where expecting women to ask for help when they need it is now considered too much to ask. Is there going to come a point where expecting women to breathe of their own accord will become too much?
/r/PurplePillDebate31/05/17 09:12 PM
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The whole "emotional labor" stuff would actually be a valid concept if its progenitors didn't fucking ruin it by tacking "and everything men traditionally do doesn't count" on the end of it.
/r/PurplePillDebate31/05/17 09:09 PM
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:thumps_up:
/r/PurplePillDebate27/05/17 06:03 AM
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And you know this because....
/r/PurplePillDebate27/05/17 02:27 AM
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Here come the excuses. Assuming good faith and having good faith are two totally different things. I've done nothing but argue against exactly what you said. Just because I won't let you retroactively revision what was said doesn't mean I have bad faith. Go on and continue policing expression of male vulnerability. I won't refrain from calling it when I see it.
/r/PurplePillDebate26/05/17 11:23 PM
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There's no "explaining" going on here. This is merely a denial.
/r/PurplePillDebate26/05/17 11:12 PM
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You haven't explained anything.
/r/PurplePillDebate26/05/17 11:08 PM
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Unfortunately, evidence suggests otherwise. It's funny how people generally don't trust police and understand that they can be susceptible to bias, but the very instant you suggest that this might apply to men it's all nope nope nope police are absolutely perfect justice robots that are infallible. It's amazing, the power of male disposability.
/r/PurplePillDebate26/05/17 10:59 PM
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You can argue semantics I'm arguing the literal definition of words. take little pieces of my comment out of context Please explain to me how it's at all possible to take something out of context by quoting its entirety verbatim. I've already explained to you 15 times what I meant and you are wrong. You've done nothing but deny your own words. You haven't explained anything. there will always be side effects to any hormonal BCs no matter who they are prescribed to and no matter whether they are …
/r/PurplePillDebate26/05/17 10:56 PM
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It doesn't matter. You can't compare the arrest rates directly if there are biases that affect how likely those arrest are to produce convictions, and how heavy the punishments well be. If you were police, why would you waste your time going after people you subconsciously believe to be far less criminal?
/r/PurplePillDebate26/05/17 10:47 PM
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It would, if arrests are more likely to result in guilty verdicts and greater punishments. It means that each arrest becomes more weighted for men then women. You can only make a direct comparison if an arrested man is as likely to be guilty as an arrested woman, which evidence suggests isn't the case.
/r/PurplePillDebate26/05/17 10:42 PM
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Not necessary. Many of the discounts take place before the official recognition of guilt for a crime.
/r/PurplePillDebate26/05/17 10:39 PM
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And chance to be arrested isn't the only discount that women get. In fact, women get discounts at almost every level of the justice system.
/r/PurplePillDebate26/05/17 10:31 PM
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No. I cited well known differences in treatment between men and women in the justice system. "Men are wonderful" had nothing to do with it because it doesn't exist. I know you want to cast this as "wow men so emotional" so you can dismiss me as people typically do with men's emotions, but the shoe doesn't fit.
/r/PurplePillDebate26/05/17 10:29 PM
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I'm willing to do a play-by-play of what you said, of that's what it takes. This is what you said: Which they should, but god knows there are side effects to hormonal BC. It provides freedom, I get that, but it's not a picnic for everyone. You said that "there are side effects to hormonal birth control". Present tense. You're speaking about hormonal birth control as it exists today. You must be speaking about women's hormonal birth control, because that is the only form of it that presently exis…
/r/PurplePillDebate26/05/17 10:27 PM
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You noted how hormonal birth control has side effects for women. You then put this situation and the situation men are in, having no options at all, in the same bucket. You called them both, together, "not a picnic for anyone". I'm not putting words in your mouth. You're denying that they came out of it. Go read your own post again. It's clear as day. You saw an expression of male vulnerability and did what most women do: police it. Make sure women are getting their cut. It's really scary to thi…
/r/PurplePillDebate26/05/17 10:06 PM
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As did I, and only one of us is ignoring them.
/r/PurplePillDebate26/05/17 09:48 PM
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Why mention women, then? You didn't say "well it men better know that it won't be perfect", it was "well you better remember that it's not perfect for women either". I give no charity because we're living in a world in which women some seem to care at all about men as a class.
/r/PurplePillDebate26/05/17 09:47 PM
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You said "it's not a picnic for anyone" which serves to largely equivocate the two situations. If that wasn't what you were doing, then what was? What was the point in even posting if not to police an expression of male vulnerability?
/r/PurplePillDebate26/05/17 09:32 PM
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If you don't care about the facts, that's not my problem.
/r/PurplePillDebate26/05/17 09:30 PM
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You're dismissing a massive advantage that women have over men on the grounds that it isn't perfect.
/r/PurplePillDebate26/05/17 09:28 PM
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Yes, and studies also show that is possible that a lot of this differential is explained by discrimination in the justice system.
/r/PurplePillDebate26/05/17 09:21 PM
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"Yeah women might have more and/or better options than men, but the world isn't 100% perfect for women yet, so who cares." Every time I hear a woman say this, hatred stirs in my gut.
/r/PurplePillDebate26/05/17 09:04 PM
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men are disadvantaged by women who's control mechanisms are trickier to identify and plausibly deniable. And in this age, cast as though it is a virtue. "Emotional intelligence" and all that shit.
/r/PurplePillDebate26/05/17 09:02 PM
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But in general, if you look at history, men seemed afraid of women gaining power And if you look at how things transpired, it looks like men were perfectly logical and reasonable in this fear. And painting women as the impulsive ones, the ones who can't be trusted to act on thought rather than emotion was likely just another form of control. And so far, at least, politically, these men have been proven right. When women gain power, there's never any accountability or responsibility attached to i…
/r/PurplePillDebate26/05/17 09:01 PM
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this is why violent crimes are committed exponentially more often by men. The data would suggest that most of the differential has to do with discrimination in the justice system, actually.
/r/PurplePillDebate26/05/17 08:57 PM
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"Ugh she's so illogical. Why won't she have sex with me on the first date if she wants to fuck me???" said literally nobody ever
/r/PurplePillDebate26/05/17 08:54 PM
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Male solipsism... men have a habit of describing their emotions as logic. Wouldn't that be great for women if we decided that everything was emotions? Even hard data? Wouldn't it be great for women if all discussion took place in an arena where women have a massive natural advantage? No, this is female solipsism. Male solipsism would be if men insisted that all disagreements between men and women should be settled with fisticuffs.
/r/PurplePillDebate26/05/17 08:52 PM
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When people say "women are emotional" or "women are hormonal", what they really mean is "women are given greater slack with their feelings and their emotions are valued much more than men's", but you really can't say the latter because suggesting that the world is anything less than perfect for men and anything more than hell for women is sacrilege. People think that women are hormonal because it's one of the many valid excuses for emotionality that women have that men don't. Humans have a bias …
/r/PurplePillDebate26/05/17 08:50 PM
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Well, the thing is that it's pretty much a theocratic, totalitarian society where the men are oppressed too except for the elites. And yet the thesis of the book is woe is women.
/r/PurplePillDebate26/05/17 03:45 AM
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I think The Handmaiden's Tale is great. No book better encapsulates the futility of male suffering when crushed under the awesome moral weight of the human uterus.
/r/PurplePillDebate26/05/17 03:43 AM
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And as was said, they can also be negative things by no action at all. Men can't just can't have positive inherent value. They have to do things.
/r/PurplePillDebate25/05/17 04:30 AM
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MRAs, Redpill men, etc are displacing their anger onto women but really they are angry about the entire constellation of change that has upended modern society in developed and developing nations. No, I'm angry that this wave of change has left men entirely behind. It's perfectly legitimate to be angry and women because women are a part of the problem.
/r/PurplePillDebate25/05/17 03:05 AM
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X is a deadbeat dad. You're right, men can be negative things, but they can only do positive things.
/r/PurplePillDebate25/05/17 03:01 AM
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I do not support automatic shared custody Why yes, I do think that men's investment in marriages should be considered disposable in family court. the "right" to financially abort children Why yes, I do think that men should be held responsible for women's reproductive choices. and their never ending quest for a redefinition of rape Why no, I don't have the ability to differentiate feminists from MRAs. I also despise their paranoia regarding false rape accusations Why no, I don't think that the p…
/r/PurplePillDebate25/05/17 02:58 AM
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I can't say that it was PPD specifically, but speaking to many women individually on the subject of gender issues has significantly changed my perspective on them a lot. I can't really say I like them that much anymore.
/r/PurplePillDebate19/05/17 01:56 AM
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To understand better this asymmetry, we need to look more closely at the relative value we place on masculinity and femininity. Of course, the author comes to the conclusion that the reason men feel the need to perform and thus choose higher paying, higher sacrifice careers is because we love them too much; whereas the reason women are freer to prioritize personal factors in employment is because we hate them. You see, masculine value must be constantly demonstrated through performance because i…
/r/MensRights18/05/17 08:06 PM
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I didn't hear about that one. Do you have a source on that?
/r/PurplePillDebate18/05/17 06:12 PM
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All of this because some dude finger banged some passed out woman at a frat party.
/r/PurplePillDebate17/05/17 10:22 PM
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The disparity between men and women is many, many time greater than that between whites and blacks. And yet, it's the latter that receives more sympathy in the eyes of the mainstream. I think there's perfectly good reason to have "selective" outrage over it.
/r/PurplePillDebate17/05/17 10:18 PM
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No; the old social order was obsolete and had to be replaced. We simply failed spectacularly in doing so in a genuinely egalitarian way. We need to look forward and not backward. We need to fix the terrible mistakes that were made.
/r/PurplePillDebate14/05/17 07:30 PM
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I think that things were mostly balanced before the advent of feminism. Now we're living in a hopefully short period of human history where our instincts on gender have become pathological, and we're experiencing a huge imbalance.
/r/PurplePillDebate14/05/17 06:17 PM
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Agreed; I've spoken to multiple women on this subject that I've managed to corral in to speaking out of both sides of their mouths at the same time on this one-- speaking about how strong the urge to procreate is and claiming that it's a dutiful sacrifice that women are virtually forced into and need to be compensated for ad infinitum. And if you point out the contraction, you're a big meanie who hates women.
/r/PurplePillDebate14/05/17 06:13 PM
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Not really; men don't demand entitlements except maybe health care, which they often don't receive in full.
/r/PurplePillDebate14/05/17 06:10 PM
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Yes, the justice system is perfect and immune to human biases. I wish I could view the world through your rose-tinted glasses.
/r/PurplePillDebate13/05/17 07:41 PM
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Firstly, the legal process has actual objective rules and evidence which can be pointed to if they are exploited, so there is little chance of a miscarriage of justice. And the system relies upon imperfect people to adjudicate these rules. There was a time where people discussed the merits of legalizing the murder of men by women, because it was de-facto already legal. There was a serious problem of juries being unwilling to convict women accused of murdering men, no matter how compelling the ev…
/r/PurplePillDebate13/05/17 09:42 AM
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Because the justice system is made out of people and people have biases and flaws in cognition. We view violence against men and women so differently that they might as well be categorized as different things-- something that many are actually trying to do.
/r/PurplePillDebate13/05/17 09:24 AM
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It's unlikely that a man would ever be wrongly convicted for hitting back. That's an extremely optimistic reading of the social and cultural climate we're living in.
/r/PurplePillDebate13/05/17 09:03 AM
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Just-world fallacy
/r/PurplePillDebate13/05/17 08:31 AM
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There's not enough capable adoptive parents to meet the current demand for orphaned/foster care children, what makes you think there will be enough if you were to start taking children away from willing parents? The problem is that those children aren't babies. There are many people who want to adopt healthy, newborn babies but can't because there aren't enough. If we truly cared about the best interests of the child above all else, we would be more than happy to tear a newborn baby out of its m…
/r/PurplePillDebate29/04/17 09:04 PM
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The "Best interests" standard is a total farce on nearly every level. The "best interests" standard only exists in divorce, and can't be seen anywhere else in family law. If the "best interests" standard were universally applied, we'd be tearing infants out of their mother's arms to give them to more capable adoptive parents. But we don't. Everywhere else, a parent must only reach a minimum level of fitness in order to retain guardianship rights over a child. The only place we apply it is the on…
/r/PurplePillDebate28/04/17 08:27 PM
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Does he have a brain? The condom is 98% successful. Also protects against STDs. Use it wisely. The problem is that his brain nor his penis gets to choose whether she gives birth to a baby. The condom is not 98% successful. Stop spreading this harmful misinformation. You wouldn't call pulling out birth control, stop saying it about condoms. You have no excuse now. We owe it to boys to tell them that condoms alone are not enough, especially given his incredibly legally vulnerable position. Takes t…
/r/PurplePillDebate28/04/17 03:27 AM
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That makes no sense. It's his dick. Not hers. He can put a condom on it. His dick doesn't choose when she becomes pregnant nor does it choose when she gives birth-- which is what produces a baby. The most his dick can do is employ one highly ineffective method to make the availability of the choice somewhat less likely. This is far, far, far less power than she has. And yet, you want him to be equally accountable. Once again, you're making women out to be brainless semen receptacles. Again, if e…
/r/PurplePillDebate28/04/17 01:09 AM
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No. Life is messy. Many women and men have no idea how they feel about abortion or parenthood until faced with the prospect. And so because women can't be trusted to handle their new reproductive power like adults, men have to pick up the slack? Because her choices aren't absolutely perfect and consequence-free, she can't be trusted to make them without the chaperoning influence of men? If men banded together en masse to stop circumcision, it would stop overnight. Women would have no say at all.…
/r/PurplePillDebate27/04/17 05:01 PM
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Look at all of these evidence-free claims.
/r/PurplePillDebate27/04/17 04:20 AM
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Nature decides that. Nope. Nature does not decide when women give birth, not where women have abortion as a guaranteed right. I'm not sure if you're aware of this, but women aren't brainless semen receptacles that give birth to babies when men choose to have sex with them. If you mean abortion, then abortion isn't a choice for all women, whether they are religious or not. Reasons can range from beliefs to fear to finances etc. Yes, it is, by definition. That doesn't change if she's already made …
/r/PurplePillDebate27/04/17 01:19 AM
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No they don't and we won't agree on this. You're factually wrong. Women choose when babies are born, and they don't require the participation of men at all in order to make that happen. Your agreement is completely unnecessary to these facts. Men can 1. not have sex 2. use a condom 3. have a vasectomy and freeze their sperm The only things these can possibly do is modulate the chances that a given women will be presented with the choice that only she is empowered to make. This does not change th…
/r/PurplePillDebate26/04/17 09:53 PM
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On behalf of all women, I apologise for having a uterus. This is not an argument. Men have the power in their hands to use condoms properly. Do women not have the power to use their birth control properly? Do women not have the power to exercise their reproductive power judiciously? So I assume that you do consider withdraw to be a perfectly acceptable method of birth control. If your son was sexually active and told you that he didn't need a condom because he's really diligent about pulling out…
/r/PurplePillDebate26/04/17 05:40 PM
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Which means men do get to choose when a woman gives birth - indirectly. And so this negates the fact that the ultimate, most meaningful choice lies exclusively in the hands of women? Because men have one, highly imperfect method by which they might prevent women from being able to make that choice? Condoms have a very high rate of protection. 98% You're dead wrong. I'm sick of seeing this misinformation everywhere. Condoms are on par with methods that we don't even consider birth control. It's t…
/r/PurplePillDebate26/04/17 05:24 AM
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0 sympathy for men on this front. None. That's okay. Men are quite used to that.
/r/PurplePillDebate26/04/17 02:27 AM
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No, men have. Men get to choose when women give birth to children? That's news to me. But they do work as birth control. They work terribly. A condom is not enough alone, especially for men, who have no other options and who have no legal control over the reproductive process. And why is it some men complain they affect their pleasure during sex without ever considering how hormonal birth control might affect a woman's pleasure during sex, or how much crap she goes through with her birth control…
/r/PurplePillDebate26/04/17 02:25 AM
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Condoms are abysmal as birth control, to the point where it might actually be irresponsible to call it birth control. Would you call the pull-out or fertility awareness methods "birth control"? Because the condom really isn't that much better with a failure rate of 16%. Where women have been granted full, guaranteed control over the human reproductive system, there is no excuse to hold men presumptively accountable for her choice to use it-- no matter how much birth control is available to him. …
/r/PurplePillDebate26/04/17 01:14 AM
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I've understood this to be more of a statement in terms of women's relationship to power. Women, by and large, and especially on a political scale, seem to have a rather peculiar disposition toward power. They can wield great power while also deny that they have it. They can demand that everyone else around them manage the consequences of their power instead of them. Case in point: reproductive rights. Women will insist that despite the fact that they legally hold all of the power over the human…
/r/PurplePillDebate10/04/17 12:00 AM
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We can't change the pattern of thinking when we can't even properly diagnose the sickness. What causes this is the perceived toxicity of basic male sexuality. Women are born pure and become whores through excess contact with men. We can't see that through the women are always the victims always always instinctual ideology that we're blinded by.
/r/PurplePillDebate31/03/17 07:15 PM
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TREATED LIKE CATTLE FOR 4000 YEARS LOL turns out soylent green was made out of women specifically LOOOOOOOOOL
/r/MensRights29/03/17 01:06 AM
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But you appear to at the very least roughly equivocate their unreasonableness.
/r/PurplePillDebate28/03/17 01:37 AM
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The billion dollars is a metaphor It doesn't really sound like much of a metaphor when you're talking about women. And most men won't find that girl. They can keep dreaming just like women can keep dreaming about their billionaire male model, but in the end most people won't find exactly who they want and will either choose single or settle. You say this flatly, as though the fantasies are equivalent.
/r/PurplePillDebate28/03/17 01:34 AM
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So if I reasonably meet these criteria, I'm worth a billion dollars? Also I don't know what RMV is.
/r/PurplePillDebate28/03/17 01:20 AM
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which is why I don't think waiting for marriage or marrying a virgin is a good idea Because there's a chance that things won't go as planned? What's the reason to think that there's a much higher chance of this happening? How often do you think that a woman is going to find out that she actually hates sex and nothing is going to change that? No, it's implied that she has other qualities that are desirable too. I doubt most men would want a female incel I didn't see you imply anything of the sort…
/r/PurplePillDebate28/03/17 12:23 AM
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Nothing wrong with that, but the problem is that these women are rare and most men won't find them. As rare as a sexually domineering billionaire? Also if she's really saving herself for marriage it may be too late when he finds out whether she really enjoys sex or just believes she does. Well, if it turns out that they are sexually incompatible, the relationship might have to be cut short. Depends on what other qualities he has... So he needs to have other qualities in order to be worth a cool …
/r/PurplePillDebate28/03/17 12:13 AM
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Well that sounds like a personal problem. I'm not sure what this has to do with the value of a woman who will only fuck one man but fuck him a lot. Is the male version of this worth a billion dollars too or not?
/r/PurplePillDebate27/03/17 11:50 PM
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You need to imagine more... No, you need to provide evidence. I haven't seen anything of what you describe. And some of those women who are waiting for marriage also see sex as a procreation only thing. Well then she doesn't pass the "slut" mark. Duh. This isn't hard to understand. The only criterion is to have lots of sex. He won't be able to tell whether that's her until they're already married. Or she could be open and honest about her sexual dispositions before marrying. Or is that too much …
/r/PurplePillDebate27/03/17 11:46 PM
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I don't think by "slut" they mean "willing to let me do anything to them." I think they mean "wants to have lots of sex with me." I can't imagine these men whining if they're getting lots of sex just because she won't do anal. What they're afraid of is getting rejected within their own relationships. I can't imagine I'd be too big on oral, either way. Also, you didn't answer my question. Am I or am I not worth a billion dollars?
/r/PurplePillDebate27/03/17 11:33 PM
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TIL being a woman who doesn't sleep around and saves herself for marriage/love is as difficult as becoming a billionaire. I'm a man who is doing something very similar. How much am I worth?
/r/PurplePillDebate27/03/17 11:22 PM
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Women have more legal rights than men do. Reproductive rights Right to not have your genitals hacked at when you're born Right against the looming specter of compulsory military service Greater rights to children in divorce Oh, well I guess that last one only targets the role men play in a relationship to a much greater extent. I guess it isn't strictly gendered like the other ones so it doesn't count.
/r/PurplePillDebate27/03/17 11:15 PM
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Oh yes, merely having the expectation to be a performer and being burdened with all of the responsibility therein isn't such a big deal at all. Women in a protectorate role were oppressed, almost as much as Jews under Nazi Germany.
/r/PurplePillDebate27/03/17 11:11 PM
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How can you put your pill on your phone -_- just because your alarm goes off to take it, doesn't mean you have the pills with you... And if you know that you missed your pill, you know you can't have sex. Are you really telling me that if you knew you've missed your pill that you would have sex anyway? Side effects like nausea and mood swings would obviously keep you from wanting to take the pill. And that's a choice that women have that men don't. There's hardly any way to misuse a condom. Ther…
/r/PurplePillDebate27/03/17 08:50 PM
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I want both signatures for an abortion, and I look forward to the invention of artificial wombs. Well, when you've managed to get the law changed, let me know. Until then, it's not reasonable to hold men responsible for a choice that only women possess.
/r/PurplePillDebate27/03/17 08:36 PM
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What does this mean? It means that men are doing a fine job of managing their half of the responsibility for a power that only women wield, with tools that are far more limited than women's. Whose fault is that? Ours, for not teaching them. It's a perfectly reasonable assumption that one won't be held responsible for other's choices. Boys need to be taught that this isn't the case when it comes to reproduction. And men have little of it to offer to women. Demonstrably false. Our governments and …
/r/PurplePillDebate27/03/17 08:35 PM
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Your OWN SOURCE says "oral contraceptive: 92%" -_- Yes, which is the typical use rate. There is a difference between typical use and perfect use. How are condoms complicated at all? Seriously, explain it to me. It isn't as easy as "you slip it on and it's good to go." What if you aren't home when your alarm goes off? Put it on your phone? What about the side effects of the pill + getting the prescription in the first place? I'm not sure how this makes proper use of the drug any harder.
/r/PurplePillDebate27/03/17 08:29 PM
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I am comparing the perfect use for both. No, you're not. The perfect use failure rate for the pill is well under 1%. I can lead you to water but I can't force you to drink. Please take some time to read the scientific data. The numbers are right there in front of you. Please look at them. Again, condoms have very little room for error, unlike the pill which has to be taken at the same time everyday. Condoms aren't as simple as sticking them on. They're actually quite a bit more complicated than …
/r/PurplePillDebate27/03/17 03:12 AM
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Also, if men handle it with such grace (lol) Considering how ill-equipped men are for the task compared to women, they seem to do quite an excellent job at it. why all the crying about laws that they knew existed before they stuck it raw in some girl? That's the thing: not all men know. Sometimes they make the mistake of thinking that this world has their back as much as it does with women. They assume that the world wouldn't hold them accountable for a choice that only women are empowered to ma…
/r/PurplePillDebate27/03/17 03:09 AM
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Well, unfortunately you're not in control of the laws. Also, something tells me that you wouldn't allow a man to force a woman to have an abortion. I wouldn't either. Women should have both full control and full responsibility for the reproductive system.
/r/PurplePillDebate27/03/17 03:06 AM
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It looks like you're comparing the typical use rate of the pill for the perfect use rate for condoms. Their numbers as also a little different. Different sources will produce slightly different numbers, but it's still in the same ballpark.
/r/PurplePillDebate27/03/17 03:03 AM
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Please take a moment to familiarize yourself with the actual data. Here's another. And another. I'm not talking out of my ass. The perfect use failure rate for the pill is well under 3%. 3% is about the perfect use failure rate of the condom.
/r/PurplePillDebate27/03/17 02:57 AM
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Condoms have the highest protection rate actually... You're factually incorrect. Condoms have an abysmal failure rate even with perfect use. Go read up on BC methods. Knowledge is power. my hormonal bc is only 97% With typical use, yes. With perfect use the failure rate has to be measured with multiple leading zeros. The point is that even if you compare perfect use condoms to typical use female birth control, the pill is still multiple times more effective. If you compare like with like, it is …
/r/PurplePillDebate27/03/17 02:45 AM
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It isn't too much for men to handle. Men handle it every day with grace. They shouldn't have to. Men should not be expected to shoulder half of the burden for what is exclusively female power and authority.
/r/PurplePillDebate27/03/17 02:42 AM
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What about me saying "they have other options but only one additional non hormonal, non permanent method than men do" is wrong? Because they have more than one non-hormonal method that isn't permanent. People really need to read up on female BC methods. There seems to be a wide ignorance on the topic, but I'm not entirely sure it isn't willful or selective. If used incorrectly, yes. No, if used typically. That this happened is not any indication of sexism. The fact that there has been a complete…
/r/PurplePillDebate27/03/17 02:42 AM
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I have no idea, that's like a very difficult question to ask. You have no idea, and yet you presume tell me that the two "aren't comparable, not even close." Do you see a disconnect here between your confidence and the amount of data you have access to? You don't even have a very good measure on quantity A. How can you be so sure that it's so much lesser than quantity B? Are you noticing a problem here? Why are you not getting this: the standards TODAY still let dangerous drugs on the market. An…
/r/PurplePillDebate27/03/17 02:31 AM
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They don't have that choice until a man has chosen to have unprotected sex with them. That doesn't mean that it isn't still the woman's choice and the woman's choice alone. He has no authority over when and if she will give birth. But without him coming in her she can't will it. This means nothing. The ultimate choice is still hers to control. The man also had to breathe in order for her to get pregnant too. Should men have to refrain from that? According to the law, they do. of course, it takes…
/r/PurplePillDebate27/03/17 02:22 AM
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That is me quoting you. But they do. This is true. They have these options in addition to the hormonal options. The other options they have are either barrier methods (which men have too) Men have only one barrier method and it has a double digit failure rate. This is not so for women's options which are also more plentiful. Sexism is not the reason men don't have more contraceptive options. That's highly debatable. There was a huge push for female contraceptives that resulted in the plethora of…
/r/PurplePillDebate26/03/17 08:25 PM
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There are many, many drugs/devices on the market with various different, dangerous, and even deadly AEs. You didn't answer my question. Are the rates comparable or are they not? "Edge case" or not, the labeling was inadequate to give doctors the necessary information to make a cost/benefit analysis and obtain informed consent from their patients. It matters if they are edge cases. The serious effects in the trials for male BC were not. Additionally, I don't care what things were like before. I'm…
/r/PurplePillDebate26/03/17 08:20 PM
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They do, but you specified "non hormonal" and which point no they do not. No I didn't. You did that. I specified reliable and reversible. Women have many more options in that capacity. Honestly, the whole birth control thing is a moot point. It's the cherry on top. The point is that women have full legal control over the human reproductive system and enjoy complete authority over how and when children will be produced. Holding men liable for women's choices is incompatible with a gender egalitar…
/r/PurplePillDebate26/03/17 07:58 PM
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Yes. Most of the LARCs can cause irreversible sterility And I'm to believe that this incidence was as high, and that this isn't an edge case for female hormonal birth control still on the market? I find that difficult to believe. Hormonal LARCs or pills or the shot or the patch cause a myriad of injuries, some of which can kill you. Drospirenone -- very widely prescribed pill -- as well are other progesterone/estradiol based pills -- cause blood clots, which can jump to your lungs and kill you. …
/r/PurplePillDebate26/03/17 07:54 PM
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Women either, even a woman at peak fertility only has a 14% chance of becoming pregnant in a given month. Yes women. Women are the ones who get to choose if a baby will be born. That's the choice that creates a baby, and it's the choice that only women have. false, a man needs to come in her. A man can cum in a fertile woman an infinite number of times and it will never result in a baby until she wills it. Women either, but he is necessary to create the possibility. It isn't a "possibility". It'…
/r/PurplePillDebate26/03/17 07:40 PM
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No. That's women. Women are the ones who have total control over the reproductive system. Men cannot make babies happen. There is no choice that a man can make that will cause a baby to be born. It's entirely within the woman's hands. A baby will only be born if she chooses it to be born. There is not choice the man can make that will guarantee a baby. Just because two people are involved in an outcome does not necessarily mean that they are equal participants. Quite the contrary. In many cases,…
/r/PurplePillDebate26/03/17 07:23 PM
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Imagine that. Imagine that women might have to be a little more judicious with their sex, because they are the ones who have the power to choose how and when babies are made. Crazy, huh? Do you think that women are capable enough adults to handle this responsibility? Or do you think that it's too much for them?
/r/PurplePillDebate26/03/17 07:20 PM
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I'm not going to discount hormonal methods. Women have many, many options.
/r/PurplePillDebate26/03/17 07:19 PM
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And of these drugs that are currently on the market, they have greater side effects than were recorded including some incidences of irreversible sterility?
/r/PurplePillDebate26/03/17 07:18 PM
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How many of them carry a significant risk of permanent sterility?
/r/PurplePillDebate26/03/17 07:17 PM
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This doesn't change the fact that it's women who are the ones who have full legal ownership over the reproductive process. It will only produce a child if an when she wills it.
/r/PurplePillDebate26/03/17 07:15 PM
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But men aren't the ones empowered with the legal choice to choose when a baby will be born.
/r/PurplePillDebate26/03/17 07:14 PM
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And has an exceptionally high failure rate.
/r/PurplePillDebate26/03/17 07:13 PM
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"if you take random set of qualities from pool A and a random set of qualities from pool B and if random set A is greater than random set B, that means that pool A is greater than pool B" You aren't this retarded, are you? Hey girls, would you trade having an adam's apple in exchange for being much more likely to be beaten or killed? No? Well I guess women have it better than men~! If I was offered all of the advantages of being a woman in exchange for all of the disadvantages, I'd make the trad…
/r/PurplePillDebate26/03/17 06:04 AM
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I don't care about you. You were the one who who brought my personal understanding of the problem into question. If you didn't like the fact that I responded to it, you should have refrained from bringing it up.
/r/PurplePillDebate26/03/17 05:57 AM
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But please don't even remotely compare the two. You cannot. Yeah, I get it. Female suffering is just worth so much more. You can't put male suffering up against it and hope it to stand up. The sad thing is that there's a good case to be made that better contraceptives should be made for women, but when women behave the way you do, it makes me not care. Women have everything but it isn't good enough. They have all the reproductive rights but it isn't good enough. They have all the contraceptives …
/r/PurplePillDebate26/03/17 05:55 AM
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I looked over the thing quite a bit when the whole outroar over its cancellation was revealed. I have a functional understanding of what I'm talking about. Even with everything else aside, a significant incidence of irreversible sterilization in addition to a lot of the side effects that female hormonal birth control has and often worse is enough to call it a worse choice. But I get it. It's not the exact same thing that women experience, so it doesn't count. Par for the course. There was a lot …
/r/PurplePillDebate26/03/17 05:45 AM
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but you have a long way to go before you compare the two. No, you don't. the symptoms that men experienced were similar to what women experience but greater in both incidence and magnitude. There were also a suicide if I remember, but that couldn't be tied conclusively to the drug. But that's okay. Men weren't expecting you to care about their pain.
/r/PurplePillDebate26/03/17 05:37 AM
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There's always the risk of birth control failing so yes if you consent to sex you also agree to take on the responsibility of the risks you are taking. Translation: no for women, yes for men. Just be honest about it. I might not like your position but I could respect you more if you didn't try to hide it. Because how are you going to enforce them having to get an abortion just because the man wishes to? You don't. She's free to do whatever the hell she wants with her body. He just isn't compelle…
/r/PurplePillDebate26/03/17 04:40 AM
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Because some people seem to think that women are children and aren't actually capable of making choices. Choices simply happen to them because of feelings and so it's only right to have sympathy for that poor woman to whom those circumstances merely fell upon.
/r/PurplePillDebate26/03/17 04:36 AM
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Welcome to being a woman The side effects were far worse and involved some cases of permanent sterility. It's okay, though. Men are used to getting zero empathy.
/r/PurplePillDebate26/03/17 04:32 AM
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You can't afford a baby don't father one. Not hard. It's actually a lot harder for men because they have far fewer contraceptive options as well as no legal control over the reproductive process whatsoever.
/r/PurplePillDebate26/03/17 04:31 AM
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Men aren't the sex who have been entrusted with total power over the human reproductive system.
/r/PurplePillDebate26/03/17 04:30 AM
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Then it doesn't matter what you believe. The law says that men are responsible for their kids. And this law is not just because women have control over the reproductive process. You don't get to pick and choose the logical consequences of a law just because you don't like it. Saying that his DNA is not his responsibility condemns both women who are raped and women who had kids when in a serious relationship who were abandoned as soon as the guy learned she was pregnant. Nope. Men who rape could …
/r/PurplePillDebate26/03/17 04:20 AM
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What goes around, comes around.
/r/PurplePillDebate26/03/17 04:10 AM
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It doesn't matter that you believe. What matters is what the law is. Women have full control over the human reproductive system, and so men shouldn't be held responsible for those choices. It's that simple. Stating that his DNA = his responsibility condemns both rape victims and sperm donors. You can't use this standard unless you engage in special pleading.
/r/PurplePillDebate26/03/17 04:09 AM
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Yes, the choice to have sex. Not the choice to give birth to a child. That's the choice that creates a child and that's the choice only women have.
/r/PurplePillDebate26/03/17 04:08 AM
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If a woman hasn't agreed in advance to get an abortion, she shouldn't be expected to comply with that wish. I never said she should. He simply shouldn't be bound to her choices implicitly. Men should be fully aware of what the laws are and behave themselves accordingly. I agree, but that doesn't mean that the laws are just and should remain as they are.
/r/PurplePillDebate26/03/17 03:57 AM
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You mean condoms, which are also available to men. No. I mean literally everything else that women have. There are many other options that aren't condoms. Condoms have an abysmal failure rate and shouldn't be considered "reliable" contraceptive. I think you mean: If a man isn't willing to agree to the possibility of a child, he shouldn't have sex with her. Um, no. I mean that if a man hasn't agreed in advance to support a woman's decision, he shouldn't be expected to support that decision. Men s…
/r/PurplePillDebate26/03/17 03:49 AM
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Why not an exception for men who never agreed to be fathers?
/r/PurplePillDebate26/03/17 03:06 AM
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But you said that his DNA = his baby. It's his DNA, it's his baby, and so he should pay for it and be happy to do so. Right?
/r/PurplePillDebate26/03/17 03:02 AM
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Natural conceptions shouldn't be an issue either because we can expect women to exercise their reproductive power like rational human beings, right? Right? Also, I'm still expecting you to tell little Billy who was raped at age 14 that he must pay his abuser to raise the fruit of his abuse. Certainly he should care about his baby, too?
/r/PurplePillDebate26/03/17 02:59 AM
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Okay, go tell that rape victim that he's gotta pay up. Go make sure that sperm banks let men know that by donating their seed they will be held liable for all of the children produced by it. The law shouldn't compel me to pay jack shit to play. If a woman needs me to commit to fathering her child, she needs to make that cost explicitly clear so that I can reject it. Men should be free to consensually agree to the price of sex with a woman without legal coercion.
/r/PurplePillDebate26/03/17 02:43 AM
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I will shed no tears for men who have willingly entered into fatherhood being held responsible for that decision. What I have a problem with is men being held responsible for women's decisions.
/r/PurplePillDebate26/03/17 02:34 AM
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At no point did I ever appeal to my feelings. Stop projecting.
/r/PurplePillDebate26/03/17 02:33 AM
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It disturbs me that I don't care about your feelings.
/r/PurplePillDebate26/03/17 02:27 AM
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Okay, then, don't get upset when people liken women to children because they demand that men take responsibility for women's power.
/r/PurplePillDebate26/03/17 02:26 AM
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SO YOU GET PISSED OFF WHEN I TELL MEN THE EXACT SAME THING? Yes, because men are not in the position of power in this situation. Women are. It isn't rational to tell men to be responsible for their reproductive power because they have no reproductive power to be responsible for. It is irrational to tell men the exact same thing because men and women are in utterly disparate legal positions relative to the human reproductive system. Are you incapable of understanding this? Women get to decide whe…
/r/PurplePillDebate26/03/17 02:11 AM
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Yes! Not unless he agreed to it ahead of time! Now you're getting the feel of it! This is equality. This is what it's like when we treat women as though they are men's equals in terms of moral and rational capacity. Guess what: having power isn't always fun! Having power means being burdened with responsibility! This is what it's like when men have power: they have responsibilities, too! Power without accountability is called privilege! It is inherently inegalitarian! If you're against abortion,…
/r/PurplePillDebate26/03/17 01:53 AM
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I think both people should be responsible. Both people should be responsible for the woman's choices. You've done an excellent job in proving his point. You want women to be held only 50% responsible for something they have 100% complete legal authority over.
/r/PurplePillDebate26/03/17 01:42 AM
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I don't know. It's your choice and only your choice. If you want to have a baby, find a man who is willing to have one with you, or make enough money to raise it yourself. It's just that simple. Men should not have to irreversibly sterilize themselves in order to be free of the consequences of women's choices.
/r/PurplePillDebate26/03/17 01:27 AM
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Yes, you're right. But not for the reason you thought.
/r/PurplePillDebate26/03/17 01:23 AM
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Go educate yourself on the wide plethora of highly reliable female contraceptives at women's disposal. Women also have abortion as a constitutionally guaranteed right in both the US and Canada. Women often have a range of post-natal options as well, including save havens and an adoption policies that are extremely easy to engage with without the knowledge of men. Women's options are plentiful. Men's options are not. On top of all of this, women possess all of the authority over the human reprodu…
/r/PurplePillDebate26/03/17 01:16 AM
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You're right; I don't. I don't care about the women's side because nobody cares about men's side.
/r/PurplePillDebate26/03/17 01:12 AM
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Women have many, many more options than hormonal birth control. If abortion is morally ambiguous for a women, she needs to be an adult and factor that into her mating choices. If a man isn't willing to agree to the possibility of a child, she shouldn't have sex with him. When it comes to non-permanent, reliable options, women have them all. Every single one. The fact that these options aren't all perfect changes nothing. Power comes with responsibility. At least, it does for men. This must be ex…
/r/PurplePillDebate26/03/17 01:11 AM
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Do you think that men should be obligated to make women's reproductive choices as easy as possible, no matter the personal cost?
/r/PurplePillDebate26/03/17 01:07 AM
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I wish I we were living in a world that cared about men so that I could care about women, but we don't. If we lived in a world that was as enthusiastic about supplying men with reliable birth control methods as well as offering them reproductive freedom, I'm sure I would feel open to having my heartstrings pulled by this story. I'm sure that I'd be interested in having a discussion about moving on from giving women near limitless choices to figuring out how to make those choices as easy as possi…
/r/PurplePillDebate26/03/17 01:05 AM
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Why is it that women have almost an infinitely greater control over the human reproductive system than men do and yet we only think that they can be merely 50% responsible?
/r/PurplePillDebate26/03/17 01:00 AM
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I'm not against child support. I'm against men being compelled to pay for a choice that only women are empowered to make. If a man agreed to become a father, he must support the child. I know this sounds crazy to our gendered sensibilities, but I want fatherhood to be as voluntary as motherhood is.
/r/PurplePillDebate26/03/17 12:59 AM
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that's the point the "gendered violence" excuse is typically employed to render most male victims unimportant
/r/MensRights24/03/17 08:08 AM
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b-but m-muh gendered violence
/r/MensRights24/03/17 08:04 AM
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That's a great chance to see how it feels when stuff is men-centric. When are women ever outright devalued like this?
/r/MensRights21/03/17 02:37 AM
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men suck hahaha it's just a joke guys calm down xDDDDD
/r/MensRights21/03/17 02:37 AM
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girls need to know that they can break the rules and feminism will have her back
/r/MensRights18/03/17 06:49 AM
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ignoring the issues and problems of the dominant group is how systems of dominance perpetuate themselves owo what the fuck is this can people really be convinced of this absurdity
/r/MensRights16/03/17 05:30 AM
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No resistance. Yes. No resistance. The suffragettes did things that would have gotten anyone arrested. Women weren't jailed or persecuted merely for demanding the vote. And once more women wanted it than not, they got it shortly. Do you also think that black people were given equal rights just as soon as they decided they wanted it, with no resistance? Your conflation of women's "struggles" with the terrible oppression that black people faced in America is fucking disgusting and you should be as…
/r/MensRights13/03/17 05:23 AM
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But I don't think it was a conscious trade-off for a right to vote. It doesn't matter if it was conscious or not. The two went hand in hand and when the opportunity arose to officiate this bond, the government did so. It doesn't "not count" because the two weren't officially wedded until later. It was a part of that male package that included the vote. But in the modern era, governments needed additional carrots to inspire the march into hell. The government doesn't need to give men any carrots.…
/r/MensRights13/03/17 04:47 AM
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I don't think many people connected the two things together at the time. But they obviously were connected, if it could be declared constitutional. It wasn't challenged until the ruling.
/r/MensRights13/03/17 04:35 AM
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But it did. Women were given the unconditional right to vote almost as soon as they demanded it. Men, on the other hand, always had their vote subjected to various restrictions, up to and including the duty to serve. This isn't just a Britain thing. The US Supreme Court ruled that conscription is constitutional on the grounds of being a reciprocal duty to the government in exchange for citizenship rights, including the right to vote. It's a reciprocal duty that has yet only been applied to men. …
/r/MensRights13/03/17 03:33 AM
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It really doesn't matter how you slice it. The "men could vote and women couldn't and feminism came to the rescue" narrative is highly dishonest no matter how you look at the data.
/r/MensRights13/03/17 03:15 AM
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Early feminists lived in a world where they couldn't vote And yet, women were given the vote as soon as they actually decided that they wanted it with no resistance. Some oppression. If women were truly oppressed, the suffragettes would have been executed. Oppressed peoples don't get to decide when their oppression ends. and were effectively banned from many occupations and hobbies because of their gender. No they weren't. I have only ever seen examples of individual clubs and organizations excl…
/r/MensRights13/03/17 03:09 AM
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It's very likely that women would have gotten the vote without feminism. Most men couldn't vote either and there were already stirrings for universal suffrage. Also, the way feminists got the vote for women wound up making men and women less equal, not more. Women got the vote with very little of the traditional obligations attached to it, a problem that hasn't been fully solved to this day.
/r/MensRights12/03/17 06:11 PM
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I think feminism was a damn good thing many decades ago Feminism was terrible from the very beginning. Not because it did what what it claimed it would do, but because it never had any intent to do what claimed it would do. Everything it did, from the very beginning, served to make men and women more unequal. This is because they operated only from the perspective of women's interests. Now, the social and legal systems have somewhat caught up with the powers the women have, but this process is e…
/r/MensRights12/03/17 05:56 PM
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Women can literally kill babies and still get compassion. Seriously. Think about it. Do you think that this would be the response if men started killing their unwanted children?
/r/MensRights11/03/17 07:13 AM
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'It is pathetic but it is also dangerous and really, really scary' I'm made to think of the concept in 1984 where people are brainwashed into thinking that their enemy is weak, pathetic, and in imminent defeat but also somehow simultaneously powerful, insidious, and terrifying. It's a specific kind of doublethink. I don't think that this one gets enough appreciation. I see it a lot with these people.
/r/MensRights09/03/17 07:51 PM
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Explain to "that stupid" how making fun of the proliferation of genders is an open jab at trans people.
/r/MensRights09/03/17 03:15 AM
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wow that last one actually triggered me T R I G G E R E D how are people able to see the world in upside down vision i just don't get it how can you live in a world in which women have more plentiful and superior options for birth control and still convince yourself that Women Have It Worse™ because men can use a much shittier free alternative that women can also use like how dare we require women get approval from a doctor before putting a drug into their body that could have serious side effec…
/r/MensRights09/03/17 03:05 AM
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what the fuck does this have to do with trans people tone trolls get the fuck off my board REEEEEEEEEEEEE
/r/MensRights09/03/17 02:41 AM
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whoa lots and lots of tone shills in here brrr very shilly in here
/r/MensRights09/03/17 02:41 AM
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what the fuck does this have to do with hating women
/r/MensRights09/03/17 02:40 AM
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what the fuck does this have to do with trans people
/r/MensRights09/03/17 02:40 AM
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I couldn't agree more on that front. Heaven knows I'll never advocate for women's reproductive rights ever again until mine are also on the agenda.
/r/MensRights24/02/17 05:00 AM
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Because it's simply unacceptable to have a choice in someone else's body. Her body, her choice, her responsibility. This is the line that the men's movement should pursue.
/r/MensRights24/02/17 04:31 AM
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This isn't the direction I'd like men's reproductive rights to go in.
/r/MensRights24/02/17 04:12 AM
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The problem is that they do not break down "violent victimization" based on gender into any sub-categories smaller than "sexual assault" and "physical assault". They do note that women's higher incidence of violent victimization is owing to their much higher rate of sexual assault. So it's not surprising that men dominate things like homicide, beatings, stabbings, and all that. Women dominate things like gropings, which you can probably imagine is much more common. At least, I can only presume t…
/r/MensRights19/12/16 06:18 AM
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Isn't it strange how a man's obligations to a child are utterly static and can't even be removed if it came about through rape, but his entitlements and rights to it are extremely contingent? He doesn't get any say, not even an emotional one, when it comes to the actual choice-- but he is still responsible for it. He'll still be held as liable for the child if it happened outside of a marriage as he would if she had it within one-- but he'll hardly have any rights to it in many places of the wor…
/r/MensRights04/12/16 08:00 PM
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Sorry dude, I'm not really a "listen and believe" type.
/r/MensRights12/11/16 07:12 PM
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Links?
/r/MensRights12/11/16 10:02 AM
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No source? I'm getting serious "didn't happen" vibes from this.
/r/MensRights12/11/16 08:31 AM
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See the first 10 minutes of this video. On prime time TV, mothers who voluntarily left their children in the custody of their father are portrayed as immature selfish whack jobs. And men who do so are branded with the even hotter iron of "deadbeat." The fact of the matter is that many mothers, upon separation or divorce, believe that 50/50 or more for the father just might be in their child's best interest. Evidence? That is something you can never say in our society. But is it true? Women, like…
/r/MensRights08/11/16 08:31 AM
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Here's the situation. She said no and never revoked that. Yes, she did revoke that no. When she voluntarily participated in all of the escalation leading up to sex that happened afterward, that is consent. Holy shit. The existence of women with your disposition is very frightening. Perhaps we do need consent courses, but for people like you.
/r/PurplePillDebate01/09/16 08:29 AM
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You're wrong. The "women are wonderful" effect actually means that women are judged much more harshly when they deviate from the 'good' behavior that's expected of their gender. Hah. People can turn any article of women's privilege into an oppression. It's incredible sight of intellectual dexterity. Check this shit out: Other authors have cited studies indicating that the women are wonderful effect is still applicable even when women are in nontraditional gender roles. Wow! It's almost as if you…
/r/PurplePillDebate29/07/16 05:34 AM
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Is there a law that guarantees women have equal access to spousal income? I'm not sure. I know that the money he earns is considered "marital assets." I do know that baselessly withholding finances is considered a form of abuse and would make a divorce much, much harder on him at the very least. And she'll certainly be entitled to about half of what he's earned during the marriage, which are classified as marital assets. (2) If the answer to (1) is yes, is the law effective? I don't know. I do k…
/r/PurplePillDebate08/07/16 09:11 AM
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In that it's not easy to combine work and children - which is mostly an issue that women face. It's an issue only women face because it's something that only women are trying to do. Men don't get to "combine" family and work. If they want a fully formed career, they don't get the family part. Someone else has to do that. Men don't face any of that. They don't take days and weeks off to care for sick children. They don't have to manage dropping kids off in the morning and picking them up after sc…
/r/PurplePillDebate06/07/16 03:38 AM
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How so? Usually when people complain about that workplace being set up to "suit men's needs", what they're usually complaining about is the workplace being set up to reward productivity and merit. I don't think that should be changed. Women ought to sink or swim.
/r/PurplePillDebate06/07/16 03:09 AM
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What privileges over women do men still enjoy? The only one I can think of is that we still have a cognitive bias that prefers men when it comes to authority and power, but I don't see how we can stomp that out while we're still fully giving into our bias that prefers women when it comes to victimhood and vulnerability.
/r/PurplePillDebate06/07/16 02:54 AM
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Don't you think most women drive somewhere every day? Most women have jobs or/and they take their kids to daycare or school, drive to see parents, drive to do the grocery shopping and a hundred other things. Sure, but men, on average, work more hours than women do, especially more if they're fathers. He only needs to commute one extra day per week than the woman for that to consume all of her pregnancy risk. That's how small it is. This doesn't even include all of the other sacrifices around inc…
/r/PurplePillDebate06/07/16 12:30 AM
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ALL women who give birth face the risk of dying. All women face a very small chance of dying. Most face very, very small odds. Others with risk factors face more. It's varied, much like men's sacrifices. MOST men will never face death in their place of work. Did you know that the number of miles an average man will commute to work will add up to be nearly equal to her risk of pregnancy fatality in a mere four years? If you suppose that he only drives to work one extra day per week because of his…
/r/PurplePillDebate05/07/16 07:21 PM
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For women, everything has to change. They have to give up their careers and raise children. No, they don't. Women have the same bargain offered to them as men. If they want a high-powered career and a family, they must be willing to support a man who spends most if not all of his time in the home and not earning money. Most women, it seems, aren't willing to do this. Women don't get paid for hauling around weights 24/7. This "unpaid work" argument rests on special pleading. Just because the mate…
/r/PurplePillDebate05/07/16 07:08 PM
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I can't say that I see basic income as a prerequisite for male reproductive rights. If a woman willingly bring gives birth to a child she has no reasonable expectation to be able to maintain-- that is to say, one that she can't expect support herself without resorting to welfare, or with the willing consent of a man-- she shouldn't be able to keep the child. She'll keep the burden, though. That will eliminate virtually all of the incentive that causes children to be born into scenarios where the…
/r/PurplePillDebate23/03/16 12:09 AM
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babynames.com
/r/MensRights07/11/15 10:44 PM
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I don't believe you. I think it would be quite a revelation if you could grab evidence of something like this happening. Do it if you can,
/r/MensRights18/10/15 01:59 AM
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I'd hate to be a wet noodle, but reading this caused my "didn't happen" sensor to go haywire. Still trying to calm it down. Could you possibly "accidentally" crash one of these meetings with your phone recording in your front pocket?
/r/MensRights18/10/15 12:00 AM
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you're mad bro?
/r/MensRights15/09/15 02:05 AM
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NYPA
/r/MensRights14/09/15 08:56 PM
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whatever doucher
/r/MensRights10/09/15 06:08 PM
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No it's not. You're a moron.
/r/MensRights10/09/15 02:07 AM
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did you fucking miss the part where he wants to demand she stay loyal to him at the same time
/r/MensRights09/09/15 04:45 PM
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there are plenty of examples of bias against men in subs like this, but this sure as fuck aint one of them
/r/MensRights09/09/15 03:22 AM
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what the fuck this guy is indefensible is this some kind of false flag
/r/MensRights09/09/15 02:57 AM
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For as long as history has been recorded, otherwise pertinent members of society colloquially known as "trash men" have proceeded to mislead their respective significant others with regards to their sexual exclusivity, which is to say: people cheat and people get caught. isn't it just wonderful when idiots try to sound smart For as long as history has been recorded oh really so cheating was invented right around the advent of written word and the sense and desire to self-record and there's no pr…
/r/MensRights18/08/15 03:54 AM
1

If you swapped the sexes, I don't think the prescription would be all that different. I think you would still see calls for her to break it off, but I severely doubt it would be as aggressive and hostile. It would look more like you really shouldn't be doing this and you should stop right now instead of you're a despicable human being for stringing this poor, poor man along I also find this quote interesting: Is it technically your responsibility to break it off on her behalf? No, but if you wer…
/r/PurplePillDebate16/08/15 07:38 PM
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wow, you've inferred quite a bit from just my opinion of you. it looks as if you're egomaniac as well.
/r/PurplePillDebate11/08/15 03:56 PM
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jesus christ the voice of reason sings if someone did this to any of the literally whos there's be fucking blood to pay
/r/PurplePillDebate11/08/15 06:36 AM
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stop using phrases when you don't know what they mean just stop the term you're looking for is "misrepresentation" and how the fuck are you gonna back that how is that not what you said are you gonna be like "oh it's not men's fault it's patriarchy's fault which is in and of itself men's fault and men need to fix it" as if that's any fucking different
/r/PurplePillDebate11/08/15 06:30 AM
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holy fucking shit you're quite the piece of work aren't you your posts never cease to amaze me "men killing themselves is their own fault because they're such proud assholes" you're literally the "i drink male tears" tumblr crowd personified
/r/PurplePillDebate10/08/15 11:20 PM
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When I read this comment I rolled my eyes when I saw "child abuse." Then I read the article. Really chilling stuff. I wonder what it must be like to be raised by a mother that cares more about the women you'll interact with than she does about you. She's not even wrong, though, when describing how parents feel when they're expecting a girl. The kicker is that instead of fighting against that gender role, she embraces it with open arms. We won't see her encouraging parents to raise their daughter…
/r/MensRights29/07/15 09:31 PM
1

Please provide evidence that this is tiresome.
/r/PurplePillDebate29/07/15 05:03 AM
1

You're given me some data that you believe to be evidence in support of your claim. I've given alternative explanations that compete with yours. It is your task to either demonstrate that my explanations do not actually fit over the data as well as yours, or provide additional data that sheds significant doubt on my explanation compared to yours. Do you not understand this? This is elementary logical discourse. Your explanation for the data doesn't get preferential treatment over mine. Data only…
/r/PurplePillDebate29/07/15 04:58 AM
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I've pointed out my problems with your evidence. I can't provide any evidence because I have no thesis to defend. How can I substantiate my doubt in your assertion other than pointing out potential and reasonable alternative interpretations to the data? What do you want me to prove? That these possible explanations are in fact possible?
/r/PurplePillDebate29/07/15 04:02 AM
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I'm not the one making a claim. You are. Why should I have to provide any evidence? What would I prove?
/r/PurplePillDebate29/07/15 01:42 AM
1

What about something that compares men to women? I often see things like this that declare that women have it worse about something, and then only describe what women go through. Do men not experience any repercussions from natural disasters? Considering they probably do, doesn't it behoove one to actually compare the women's situation to the men's in order to support the thesis that women have it worse? The only direct comparison I saw was the 3:1 death statistic, but that was for the disaster …
/r/PurplePillDebate28/07/15 06:29 PM
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Aiyyo, ya niggas must be outcha fucking mind Thinkin dog can't pull another motherfucking rabbit out the hat Nigga I ain't gotta check out my motherfucking sleeves you bitch ass niggas Fuck is y'all niggas Y'all niggas just thinkin I'm sittin around doin nothin? Oh my God, y'all niggas can't be serious Where the hood, where the hood, where the hood at? Have that nigga in the cut, where the wood at? Oh, them niggas acting up?!? Where the wolves at? You better bust that if you go'n pull that Man, …
/r/PurplePillDebate26/07/15 10:47 PM
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But it doesn't appear to be a relevant factor in determining female survival rates. Uh, how do you know this? If you can't be sure it isn't present, how can you tell? We don't have a direct measurement. What we can do is we can vary conditions we believe to be related to WCF and infer its relative presence through the change in female mortality. Given this, how do we know that the average numbers don't have it present? Do you think that the fact the other outlined factors did not have a signific…
/r/PurplePillDebate26/07/15 10:07 PM
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I don't see how it's unreasonable to suggest that there might be external factors related to nationality. In fact, I'd think it would be absurd to think otherwise. We're not talking about a chemical compund that behaves exactly the same all of the time. We're talking about people with various ethnicity, upbringings, and life experiences by geographic location. I think it is extremely safe to assume that there are significant differences between cultures that aren't just levels of WCF mentality. …
/r/PurplePillDebate26/07/15 05:44 AM
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I'm sure WCF does have an effect, but it was not measurable in this experiment unless ordered by an authority figure. How could it be measured without a baseline? Do we have mortality samples from which we know for a fact WCF mentality wasn't a factor? How would we know? You seem to be assuming that typical rates are without any kind of WCF mentality. How would we know that? We would then expect that women would have higher rates of survival in cultures where WCF was more of a social norm. What …
/r/PurplePillDebate26/07/15 05:02 AM
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Right, but that doesn't necessarily mean that WCF isn't a force that exists. It just that if it does, it's doesn't typically manifest as strongly as the numbers seen in the sinking of the Titanic. Now I could argue against using the Titanic itself as a prototypical example of the phenomenon, which is something I've seen people do, but not that often. EDIT: What if the Titanic was the most extreme example of a non-isolated phenomenon? What if men typically do exhibit preferential treatment to wom…
/r/PurplePillDebate26/07/15 01:08 AM
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What gives you the confidence that this perception is more than just a perception?
/r/PurplePillDebate26/07/15 12:24 AM
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im so glad most feminists are more reasonable than you you're the nightmare i can point to when people on the other side of the isle are having a hysteria fit over much more tempered feminist beliefs
/r/PurplePillDebate26/07/15 12:19 AM
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The situation for women and children in refugee camps in developing countries after natural disaster or war is dire. Men are in a far better position. Curious, do you have any materials that compare relative living conditions of men and women post-disaster?
/r/PurplePillDebate25/07/15 10:37 PM
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I don't remember seeing a mention of panic, only duration. This would hold if panic and duration were the same, but they might not be.
/r/PurplePillDebate25/07/15 10:34 PM
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Was the hypothesis the WCF still exists but in many cases isn't a large enough factor to overcome women's inherent disadvantages tested? For example, we could conclude from the data using similar logic that crew members preferentially guard their own lives over those of passengers, but what if that isn't the case? What if crew simply have better skills relevant to survival but it turns out that they help the passengers and this closes some of the gap? EDIT: So I read more of the article, it seem…
/r/PurplePillDebate25/07/15 09:59 PM
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isn't it funny that we already live in a world where men have no reproductive rights or expectation to bodily autonomy when it comes to their genitalia whatsoever almost anywhere and cunts like this can be so convinced that men would have it so much better as women than women do (as if that makes any fucking sense) i remember it being a pretty big turning point on my view of gender when tina fey opined that she thought that if men could get pregnant there would be an abortion clinic inside of ev…
/r/MensRights20/07/15 06:32 AM
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All science is experimental science.
/r/PurplePillDebate17/07/15 05:00 AM
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You would have different people do the analysis of the data and reach a similar result. Is this really so hard to envision? Do you really think one paper is good enough to stand as an authority on what all the others say?
/r/PurplePillDebate17/07/15 12:42 AM
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the whole thing
/r/PurplePillDebate16/07/15 10:24 PM
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what
/r/PurplePillDebate16/07/15 08:58 PM
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Well then it would be the methodology used in the composition and analysis of the data.
/r/PurplePillDebate16/07/15 08:32 PM
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Do it again with a different pool of people but with the same methodology. Reproductability is a core tenant of the scientific method a lot of people overlook.
/r/PurplePillDebate16/07/15 08:21 PM
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Easy: do it again. Get the same or similar results.
/r/PurplePillDebate16/07/15 08:16 PM
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Can we not indulge in the libertarian fantasy that anything less than a gun to the head means 100% super double-plus free choice? Agency can absolutely be thwarted by external factors. My problem with this mindset is that people are all too quick to hand out passes to women, especially within a sexual or romantic context, to absolve them of the responsibility to use their agency. The opposite mindset wherein everyone- sans violent coercion- is responsible for their own decisions lacks this issue…
/r/PurplePillDebate16/07/15 05:58 PM
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Has this study been reproduced or studied further? I can only take one study done once so seriously. Don't get me wrong, the findings are what I would personally expect to see, but I have certain standards of evidence compelling me to see more.
/r/PurplePillDebate16/07/15 05:47 PM
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You're okay with it being done to an infant before she could even fathom informed consent?
/r/PurplePillDebate10/07/15 09:57 PM
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[x] Just Stop Please [ ] Tyrannosaurus Rekt [ ] Rekt [ ] Not Rekt
/r/PurplePillDebate10/07/15 08:01 PM
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P in V Coitus. The word you're looking for is coitus.
/r/PurplePillDebate10/07/15 12:31 AM
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There is an enormous amount of evidence that Cosby drugged women for sex. I honestly haven't been following this scandal very closely since it began. Care to share some of this?
/r/MensRights07/07/15 11:11 PM
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Just being a woman is enough to get attacked Pure horseshit. Women don't get this treatment just for being women. They get this treatment when they expect their womanhood to carry them. I see men interacting with women who they know are women all the time and quite frankly I've seen this card withheld even when I felt it was deserved. I don't know what kind of absurd parallel universe you live in where the very instant it becomes known that a poster is a woman suddenly her internet career is ove…
/r/PurplePillDebate01/07/15 12:25 AM
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Being the default, not having to divorce yourself from your gender identity lest you want to receive gender-based abuse for bucking the status quo, is the +1. Whoa this might actually make sense if people actually gave a special shit about you based on your manhood, but unfortunately that isn't the case. On the internet, everyone is the other. Men don't value each other as men. Sure. What is so hard about ignoring giving them the attention they crave? What you fail to consider is that "tits or G…
/r/PurplePillDebate30/06/15 11:32 PM
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But these women showing their cleavage are in compliance with "tits or gtfo." How is this a bad thing? They have absolutely nothing of value to say, but at least they're showing themselves off. They're not under any illusion that they deserve any better. Men being obnoxious doesn't roople my jimmypops because they don't have a vagina to hide behind when they are criticized. When a man does something obnoxious, he's mocked into oblivion and nobody comes to his rescue based on his sex. When a woma…
/r/PurplePillDebate30/06/15 11:23 PM
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Tits or GTFO is to remind females that if they buck the status quo of the male default point of view, there will be consequences to pay For trying to buck that status quo of nobody caring about your womanhood, sure there will be consequences. There is no "default male" point of view. Your opinion does not deserve special consideration because you are a chick.
/r/PurplePillDebate30/06/15 11:17 PM
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mansplaining i hope someone actually says this to me in person one day so i can laugh in their fucking face
/r/PurplePillDebate30/06/15 10:49 PM
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Where's the evidence that this mentality is being displayed, as opposed to what I've described? How do you differentiate "sex is all this woman is good for" from "sex is all I want this woman for, but she may have additional characteristics I just don't care about personally"?
/r/PurplePillDebate29/06/15 12:16 AM
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If a man only wants a woman for her sexual utility to him, what is wrong with that? As long as he's not being disingenuous about it, I see no reason this is a moral failing. I doubt you'd look so sour upon a woman who just wants a nice piece of flesh to ride.
/r/PurplePillDebate28/06/15 08:25 PM
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All male groups tend to perform better than all female groups Perform better at what? Everything?
/r/PurplePillDebate28/06/15 07:57 PM
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Is there a link to anything more in-depth? Are there any comparable numbers for men? These numbers alone don't paint a very full picture.
/r/PurplePillDebate28/06/15 07:43 PM
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You're a hopeless, disgusting human being. Have a nice life.
/r/PurplePillDebate27/06/15 04:33 AM
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whatever
/r/PurplePillDebate27/06/15 04:24 AM
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Reputation, name-recognition, connections, so on. Does it really matter how she benefited? What does this have to do with your characterization of Gjoni's revelation of his experience with a cheating abuser as a "tantrum" and a product of "butthurt"? That doesn't seem very progressive and feminist. At least, not by the professed standards and principles thereof. Additionally, I don't condone death threats being sent to anyone. I don't know why you just assumed that I did. Do you really think you…
/r/PurplePillDebate27/06/15 04:23 AM
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I'm mocking you.
/r/PurplePillDebate27/06/15 04:07 AM
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I wonder how wronged a man must be before him whining about it won't be characterized as a "tantrum." Also, you should keep in mind that most of the noise that surrounded Quinn had nothing to do with Gjoni but rather all the dick she rode to push her game. The fact she's a cheating abusive cunt is the icing on the cake. EDIT: Additionally, I don't condone death threats being sent to anyone. I don't know why you just assumed that I did. Do you really think your average supporter of gamergate cond…
/r/PurplePillDebate27/06/15 04:06 AM
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yep those millions of dollars the mra-industrial complex rakes in annually goes straight into lining paul elam's pockets what a fucking bastard
/r/PurplePillDebate27/06/15 02:48 AM
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white knighting for a butthurt ex boyfriend i wonder just how much abuse a man has to go through before he's entitled to a little bit of empathy like if zoe stabbed him a few times would it be ok to """white knight""" for him?
/r/PurplePillDebate27/06/15 02:45 AM
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Developing the cure is expensive. I'm speaking in general here, not just RISUG. I totally agree with you that there's not a lot of incentive to push this drug out to market because not only will it likely turn a meager profit, but it would sharply compete with already existent, much more profitable products that do something similar. Some people seem to think a completely free market is only incentivized to make things better and cheaper, which isn't always the case.
/r/MensRights23/06/15 06:07 AM
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nice comma
/r/PurplePillDebate23/06/15 03:07 AM
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Feminists want ethics in gaming journalism Is this a joke? These are social issues, not political ones. My Ford Fiesta is an automobile, not a car.
/r/PurplePillDebate20/06/15 10:49 PM
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probably because this is purplepilldebate and not bluepilldebate just an idea
/r/PurplePillDebate20/06/15 10:47 PM
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How did they determine attractiveness? Depending on how they did so this data might not suggest against the notion that status plays a role.
/r/PurplePillDebate20/06/15 10:43 PM
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The cure is costly and highly technical to develop, which means only a few firms have the potential to do it. However, none of them want to because all of them are already making far more on the treatment, even if they are competing for the market. Each firm stands to make less with the cure than they would simply competing with the other firms to provide treatment. It's a rather easy model to set up.
/r/MensRights19/06/15 09:30 PM
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zany, playful reality music playing female: gee i sure wish my clit wasnt cut off when i was born so i could have more frequent and fulfilling orgasms laugh track
/r/MensRights19/06/15 08:41 PM
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When I was first dating my husband--every time he would cry when we fought and then I'd think oh you really do love me! And then I would have sex with him. Did this mostly involve you getting your way? Just curious. Please tell me that holding a baby or a puppy does not work for men. This isn't vulnerability so much as it is an announcement of provider traits. Sensitivity and vulnerability are two distinct, almost inverse things. Sensitivity is care to other's feelings, whereas vulnerability is …
/r/PurplePillDebate08/06/15 08:51 PM
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Men are more likely to commit suicide successfully because they tend to use more violent methods, where as women do a lot more suicide by drugs. What does it matter?
/r/PurplePillDebate04/06/15 08:22 AM
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sex should be considered as a variable. A meaningless one prove it oh wait you won't because you waited until the very end to state your position after gingerly admitting you were wrong before immediately backing off to feel smugly superior you have a decidedly feminine way of arguing
/r/PurplePillDebate29/05/15 12:43 AM
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You didn't just say "piece of work." You called me a piece of work. Can you see the difference? Why must you make leaping assumptions about my relationship to women and how I treat them? Hint: my flair is a joke. Why do you have to be so begrudging when you admit that you were wrong?
/r/PurplePillDebate29/05/15 12:13 AM
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When did I say anything about research? Why would you call me names if you weren't mad?
/r/PurplePillDebate29/05/15 12:06 AM
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Don't get mad at me because you're wrong.
/r/PurplePillDebate29/05/15 12:03 AM
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I don't care. The only thing that I said was that your statement about him being the only common factor wasn't correct. Whether or not his reasoning is sound is a completely different matter.
/r/PurplePillDebate28/05/15 11:19 PM
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No. You just wouldn't be able to say that she was the only common factor. That's all. You seem to be reading a lot into my words.
/r/PurplePillDebate28/05/15 11:10 PM
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i didn't make any claim about actually figuring out what the cause is. I merely stated that your assertion that he's the common factor is factually inaccurate. That's all.
/r/PurplePillDebate28/05/15 09:44 PM
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That's probably because it's dumb and irrelevant to what I said. You're not in a position to be condescending, dear.
/r/PurplePillDebate28/05/15 08:49 PM
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I don't know where you're going with this whole science and research stuff. I merely pointed out the there's more than one common factor here.
/r/PurplePillDebate28/05/15 08:06 PM
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They share their sex but it isn't a common factor? Can something only be a common factor if it's a complete person?
/r/PurplePillDebate28/05/15 07:15 PM
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The phenomenon I just described.
/r/MensRights28/05/15 04:34 PM
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So they're not both women?
/r/PurplePillDebate28/05/15 04:34 PM
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This is honestly the one issue I can't read or argue about without getting upset or otherwise emotionally elevated. The justifications for the system as it stands are some of the most infuriating apolegetics I've heard for anything. My personal favorite is the one that states that a man's exercise of personal autonomy would be illegitimate, coercive- or in the most outrageous phrasings- tantamount to a crime. As soon as we start talking about consequences proportional to power, women's agency fl…
/r/MensRights28/05/15 05:45 AM
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there's another common factor here they were both women in fact there were likely many common factors just throwing that out there
/r/PurplePillDebate28/05/15 04:44 AM
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I see a great need to change attitudes that lead men to try to control women's bodies against their will. What attitudes? I don't see any attitudes like that. I think you'll find that when pressed, you'll find that many feminist types consider it male attitudes that lead up to that, and then wonder why they're perceived as man-haters. Women everywhere speak up about being taken advantage of sexually in pretty much every context or situation fathomable. Evidence? If so, if this proof that women a…
/r/PurplePillDebate23/05/15 08:01 PM
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"we need to change everything about the industry down to day to day interactions for women. women are really sensitive though and see adversity in everything so this will be no small task. also, tech is very non-glamorous and this puts off women." also LIP NOISES UGHGHGGHGGHH why should technology businesses seek to attract women if doing so is as time and resource consuming as she portrays it to be
/r/MensRights20/05/15 07:13 PM
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xD
/r/PurplePillDebate19/05/15 07:00 PM
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jus b urslef
/r/PurplePillDebate16/05/15 09:39 PM
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How do you know this?
/r/PurplePillDebate16/05/15 07:43 PM
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Compared to women at the top?
/r/PurplePillDebate16/05/15 07:39 PM
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If men succeed then they have it easier than women, or the rewards are greater I should say. Evidence? Examples?
/r/PurplePillDebate16/05/15 07:20 PM
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None of these actually necessitate that it isn't the case that less unhealthy men are married at any given time.
/r/PurplePillDebate16/05/15 04:12 AM
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You need to be more subtle if you want to catch more replies.
/r/PurplePillDebate15/05/15 09:15 PM
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solid 5/10 apply yourself
/r/PurplePillDebate15/05/15 07:45 PM
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I don't make any effort to acquire sex. I haven't seen anything I wanted.
/r/PurplePillDebate15/05/15 07:40 PM
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None of that whole "physical privilege" stuff really matters in an era with small, reliable firearms. I'm not really down for the whole proto-anarchy thing though. I don't want to live in a world where I have to carry a weapon in order to feel safe. Why wouldn't they be? There was no incentive to not be an asshole and kidnap/rape any woman you got a boner for. This might be hard to imagine, but most men in the past- similar to those today- actually liked women and wanted to protect them.
/r/PurplePillDebate14/05/15 04:58 PM
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god damn that's a lot of parentheticals
/r/PurplePillDebate13/05/15 10:27 PM
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It appears as though she was the first person to bring up the subject of her sex and make it an important part of her post. Are we seeing a different chain of comments?
/r/PurplePillDebate13/05/15 12:46 AM
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She objectified herself.
/r/PurplePillDebate12/05/15 10:10 PM
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"hi im a feeeeeemale please give me a cookie because i agree with you" I would have banned her too.
/r/PurplePillDebate12/05/15 09:01 PM
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Funny, I've always had a sneaking suspicion that women want to think that men aren't interested in being loved so that they don't have to try as hard.
/r/PurplePillDebate12/05/15 08:15 PM
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Alright, let's switch it up a bit. I don't think at all of the dangerous life-threatening labor it took to produce the gasoline I buy and put into my car. The point is that paying someone for risk they they voluntarily take in pursuit of profit isn't conferring any kind of disposability. if you found out your kid was having sex with strangers for money I think you'd be unhappy. Depending on how old my kid was, they may or may not be at a level of mental maturity to handle that amount of risk. If…
/r/PurplePillDebate12/05/15 07:00 PM
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red pill men's hate and anger is ALWAYS directed at the gender who suffer so much at the hands of men in this world Other men?
/r/PurplePillDebate12/05/15 05:45 PM
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That they view women as disposable. How does this follow? I pay the guy who makes my pizza but that doesn't mean I view him as disposable.
/r/PurplePillDebate12/05/15 03:59 AM
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There wasn't a single shred of evidence to suggest that she was in any kind of mortal danger. Is taking someone's phone suddenly a threat against your life if you're a woman? Statistically speaking men are more often the targets of violent crime so your quip about "well you just don't know what it's like" is flagrantly gynocentric.
/r/PurplePillDebate09/05/15 04:52 AM
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Considering the fact that he signed a contract I'm not at all against this guy not getting what he wants. However, this is the closest thing I've ever seen to a woman potentially being made to pay for a reproductive decision she didn't make. Think about it. Couldn't she be made to pay child support because after all doesn't the assertion go that a child is entitled to support from both parents? Due to the fact I believe in reproductive freedom I don't think she should be forced into parenthood, …
/r/MensRights02/05/15 12:37 AM
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muh best interests
/r/MensRights30/04/15 08:33 PM
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There have been cases that set the precedent that any sperm produced during an intimate encounter is treated as a "gift", even if a condom is used, the material is discarded, and there is no consent given for it to be retrieved and be used for a pregnancy. I'm not quite sure how this justifies the responsibility after the fact. Why should the man in question be held liable for what she does with her new property? If I give someone a car and they run somebody over with it, would I be held liable …
/r/MensRights08/03/15 02:28 AM
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It'll be progress when there's a list like this and not a quarter or more of the points are actually about women. Boys in Relationships Are Whipped It’s inherently sexist [...] as it implies that the default state of affairs is for men to keep women in their place. If you can't stop people from using a word you don't like, just misuse it until nobody knows what it means anymore. It's a simple but effective way of controlling language if you have a loud voice. Don't ever let discontentment congea…
/r/MensRights04/12/14 08:17 AM
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If there are boundaries, I will try to knock them down Shit. I guess that old classic line "ain't no mountain high enough" is actually a rape hymn.
/r/MensRights04/12/14 06:22 AM
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I expected to click the link and see that the title of the men's section had changed. Nope. Still "building better men." Yet another drop in the bucket of women have problems, men are problems.
/r/MensRights03/12/14 11:38 AM
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Good Lad Workshop aims to promote “Positive Masculinity”, Let me take a quick guess as to what that means: Servitude to women. and in doing so, to empower men to deal with complex gender situations and become agents of positive change within their social circles and broader communities. Yeap.
/r/MensRights30/11/14 05:36 AM
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He did overreact Even that seems like too much of a concession to me. What do you do when your first strike doesn't deter your attacker? You hit them harder the second time.
/r/MensRights30/11/14 04:23 AM
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My explanation isn't "without biology". You're the one speculating about how biology will react to a change in context. You're saying that it won't. You're using the fact that men exhibit a trait as evidence to suggest that trait won't stop appearing in the manner that it does if the conditions around them change, because it's some kind of biological constant. It may be a constant in some cases. This doesn't mean that it is in all cases. Your assertion that the expression of this trait can't be …
/r/MensRights26/11/14 01:34 AM
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I say you're backpedaling because you bring up completely irrelevant points to cover your original assertion. I never denied that the early differences in newborns exist when it comes to your engineering example. I don't deny that men and women have genetic differences. Your little patriarchy quip is laughable. I'm saying that the fact that men seem less interested in their social position isn't proof that it's immutably biological. You're assuming that's the case. You're looking at a phenomenon…
/r/MensRights26/11/14 12:34 AM
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Stop backpedaling. Your initial assertion was that men shouldn't demand empathy for their issues because they're not "hard-wired" to be that way, because testicles. The jump from "men like science and have less compulsion to socially cohere" to "men shouldn't demand help for their issues because that's against their biology" is completely unscientific. You're presuming that the distribution of traits we see is insensitive and unmalleable to social and cultural forces, which is complete speculati…
/r/MensRights26/11/14 12:08 AM
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What I meant when I said that is that you're looking at the statistics and jumping to the conclusion that it's "hard-wired", whatever the fuck that means.
/r/MensRights25/11/14 11:32 PM
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Statistically, women are hard-wired You can't be statistically hard-wired.
/r/MensRights25/11/14 06:56 PM
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Surprised she didn't staple the obligatory "but women have it worse" on top. Credit where it's due.
/r/MensRights16/11/14 08:07 AM
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this is an ironic facebook page they don't do anything but post stupid content
/r/MensRights16/11/14 07:51 AM
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Don't. Go eat some candy. Go play some video games.
/r/MensRights04/11/14 08:00 AM
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When I reached the end of the article, his portrait looks every bit the douchebag I imagined him to be as I read his article. Phenomenal.
/r/MensRights02/11/14 06:12 AM
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I don't see the point in tossing yourself into an echo chamber and whining about getting kicked out when you disrupt the circlejerk. That's like complaining about being bitten when you threw yourself into the lion's den.
/r/MensRights29/09/14 08:24 PM
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