HighTMale12 Archive

Upvotes	Title	Category	Author	Subreddit	Date (UTC)
201	CMV: Red pill is just mostly scammers who are trying to take advantage of down on luck men	CMV	HighTMale12	/r/PurplePillDebate	04/04/21 05:18 PM
118	CMV: "Provider" males should employ sugar dating strategy by 30s rather than marry women in 30+ range that rode CC	CMV	HighTMale12	/r/PurplePillDebate	19/09/20 01:37 PM
72	CMV: Blue Pill Feminism (Gynocentrism) lead to TRP/MGTOW movement	CMV	HighTMale12	/r/PurplePillDebate	01/09/20 12:30 PM
65	Both genders are at fault for being "Used" : "Pump and Dump" female and "Strung Along Beta" make are both at fault	CMV	HighTMale12	/r/PurplePillDebate	13/12/20 12:59 PM
11	CMV: 30+ year old "successful beta" males would be better off sampling Sugar Market than commitment to women in their 30s	CMV	HighTMale12	/r/PurplePillDebate	14/12/20 11:37 AM
7	CMV: Women's unrealistic standards has led to the collapse of birth rate/marriage rate	CMV	HighTMale12	/r/PurplePillDebate	25/07/21 11:42 AM
1	CMV: Red Pill are mostly scammers: Conference for Male Excellence		HighTMale12	/r/PurplePillDebate	04/04/21 12:44 AM
1	CMV: Heterosexual White men are at fault for Feminism		HighTMale12	/r/PurplePillDebate	10/07/21 11:47 AM
1	CMV: Feminism is damaging the "mental health" of its participants and would be better off ending		HighTMale12	/r/PurplePillDebate	13/09/20 11:34 AM
1	CMV: Feminists use "natural" world debate in a selective and hypocritical manner		HighTMale12	/r/PurplePillDebate	13/09/20 12:26 PM
0	CMV: Marriage to an "educated" female with 6 figure salary is mostly useless for successful males	CMV	HighTMale12	/r/PurplePillDebate	27/09/20 09:44 AM

Upvotes	Comment on	Subreddit	Date (UTC)
2	CMV: Women's unrealistic standards has led to the collapse of birth rate/marriage rate lol	/r/PurplePillDebate	25/07/21 11:14 PM
3	CMV: Women's unrealistic standards has led to the collapse of birth rate/marriage rate Most conservatives are simping for women these days.	/r/PurplePillDebate	25/07/21 09:16 PM
3	Kevin Samuels Discussion Thread He is very accurate for all races of men to be honest.	/r/PurplePillDebate	25/07/21 09:14 PM
5	Kevin Samuels Discussion Thread Dave Ramsey made more money giving advice about money then actually saving money or making a business himself unrelated to financial advice lol	/r/PurplePillDebate	25/07/21 09:13 PM
3	CMV: Women's unrealistic standards has led to the collapse of birth rate/marriage rate Untrue	/r/PurplePillDebate	25/07/21 09:12 PM
1	CMV: Women's unrealistic standards has led to the collapse of birth rate/marriage rate MidWest and South.	/r/PurplePillDebate	25/07/21 09:12 PM
3	CMV: Women's unrealistic standards has led to the collapse of birth rate/marriage rate Conservatives these days are often feminist too.	/r/PurplePillDebate	25/07/21 09:11 PM
3	CMV: Women's unrealistic standards has led to the collapse of birth rate/marriage rate Not whining. Speaking about low birth rates.	/r/PurplePillDebate	25/07/21 09:09 PM
2	CMV: Women's unrealistic standards has led to the collapse of birth rate/marriage rate Who said that? lol	/r/PurplePillDebate	25/07/21 09:09 PM
1	CMV: Women's unrealistic standards has led to the collapse of birth rate/marriage rate Most women are single now though. So "average age of first marriage" is only a subset of women.	/r/PurplePillDebate	25/07/21 03:28 PM
3	Men value beauty less as they get older There is really no value for marriage for a man unless the female earns alot more and is richer.	/r/PurplePillDebate	25/07/21 03:27 PM
1	CMV: Women's unrealistic standards has led to the collapse of birth rate/marriage rate Id argue the "freaks" is normal among American women.	/r/PurplePillDebate	25/07/21 03:26 PM
1	CMV: Women's unrealistic standards has led to the collapse of birth rate/marriage rate Feminism always becomes radical once women get the vote	/r/PurplePillDebate	25/07/21 03:26 PM
1	CMV: Women's unrealistic standards has led to the collapse of birth rate/marriage rate im not worried. I figure Islam should take over.	/r/PurplePillDebate	25/07/21 03:25 PM
1	CMV: Women's unrealistic standards has led to the collapse of birth rate/marriage rate due to low birth rates	/r/PurplePillDebate	25/07/21 03:24 PM
4	CMV: Women's unrealistic standards has led to the collapse of birth rate/marriage rate Yes but not close to enough to pay for single moms. 50+% of workers dont pay federal taxes now.	/r/PurplePillDebate	25/07/21 03:24 PM
-1	CMV: Women's unrealistic standards has led to the collapse of birth rate/marriage rate Russia was a long time feminist communist country. So I figure residual effects of that still linger.	/r/PurplePillDebate	25/07/21 03:23 PM
1	CMV: Women's unrealistic standards has led to the collapse of birth rate/marriage rate Divorce rate is only lower due to low marriage rate	/r/PurplePillDebate	25/07/21 03:23 PM
1	CMV: Women's unrealistic standards has led to the collapse of birth rate/marriage rate What is their marriage rate compared to college educated women 30 years ago?	/r/PurplePillDebate	25/07/21 03:22 PM
2	Men value beauty less as they get older So men clearly dont value women enough to "marry" them anymore.	/r/PurplePillDebate	25/07/21 03:21 PM
1	CMV: Women's unrealistic standards has led to the collapse of birth rate/marriage rate I gave them as one subset but said this is basically a universal opinion now. White women aren't only dating white men either.	/r/PurplePillDebate	25/07/21 03:21 PM
4	Men value beauty less as they get older Thats good. So no marriage is a good thing for the males.	/r/PurplePillDebate	25/07/21 03:20 PM
3	Men value beauty less as they get older Marriage rates are at all time lows. So the notion that there are all these "relationships" is false compared to any other time in known history.	/r/PurplePillDebate	25/07/21 03:19 PM
5	CMV: Women's unrealistic standards has led to the collapse of birth rate/marriage rate I’d argue men should just avoid marriage entirely.	/r/PurplePillDebate	25/07/21 02:57 PM
2	CMV: Women's unrealistic standards has led to the collapse of birth rate/marriage rate Huh	/r/PurplePillDebate	25/07/21 02:56 PM
3	CMV: Women's unrealistic standards has led to the collapse of birth rate/marriage rate Anyone can	/r/PurplePillDebate	25/07/21 02:56 PM
-1	CMV: Women's unrealistic standards has led to the collapse of birth rate/marriage rate Yeah but at least feminism will be dead.	/r/PurplePillDebate	25/07/21 02:56 PM
4	CMV: Women's unrealistic standards has led to the collapse of birth rate/marriage rate Or they will make so little as to avoid paying taxes like 50 percent of the country already.	/r/PurplePillDebate	25/07/21 02:55 PM
1	CMV: Women's unrealistic standards has led to the collapse of birth rate/marriage rate So why do islamics do it well?	/r/PurplePillDebate	25/07/21 02:55 PM
1	CMV: Women's unrealistic standards has led to the collapse of birth rate/marriage rate Don’t marry unless get top level guy is similar argument to mine.	/r/PurplePillDebate	25/07/21 02:54 PM
1	CMV: Women's unrealistic standards has led to the collapse of birth rate/marriage rate Then I guess women should not want to marry at all by this logic.	/r/PurplePillDebate	25/07/21 02:54 PM
3	CMV: Women's unrealistic standards has led to the collapse of birth rate/marriage rate Who says I’m opposed to that change?	/r/PurplePillDebate	25/07/21 02:53 PM
0	CMV: Women's unrealistic standards has led to the collapse of birth rate/marriage rate And they can’t do it too?	/r/PurplePillDebate	25/07/21 02:53 PM
1	CMV: Women's unrealistic standards has led to the collapse of birth rate/marriage rate I answered all of them. College educated women want at least 2 times the per capital normal income of a college graduate. Average height for American is 5’9. 6 foot and above is less then 15 percent. Even if we make it 20’percent, the math is still bad.	/r/PurplePillDebate	25/07/21 02:53 PM
3	Men value beauty less as they get older If men are very much interested in marrying them, why is the marriage rate at all time lows?	/r/PurplePillDebate	25/07/21 02:41 PM
1	Men value beauty less as they get older This guy is acting like 5/10 American women aren’t as entitled as 10/10 women. Newsflash they are	/r/PurplePillDebate	25/07/21 02:40 PM
0	Men value beauty less as they get older I’d argue the 5/10 women are just as delusional and superficial in demands as 10/10 women these days.	/r/PurplePillDebate	25/07/21 02:36 PM
5	Men value beauty less as they get older What happens when 5/10 women have very high demands as well and consider themselves 10/10? This seems to be the norm.	/r/PurplePillDebate	25/07/21 02:35 PM
1	CMV: Women's unrealistic standards has led to the collapse of birth rate/marriage rate Yet the Islamic parts of Russia seem to have over 2 per woman birth rate.	/r/PurplePillDebate	25/07/21 02:32 PM
0	CMV: Women's unrealistic standards has led to the collapse of birth rate/marriage rate Yeah bye bye west and hello Islam.	/r/PurplePillDebate	25/07/21 02:31 PM
0	CMV: Women's unrealistic standards has led to the collapse of birth rate/marriage rate How do welfare moms afford it then and have such high birth rates?	/r/PurplePillDebate	25/07/21 02:31 PM
1	CMV: Women's unrealistic standards has led to the collapse of birth rate/marriage rate I already spoke about welfare moms in other comments. The marriage rates are at all time lows. Just because some women eventually “settle”, doesn’t mean this issue isn’t mainstream. Also, these women become resentful after they “settle” as well hence divorce rape.	/r/PurplePillDebate	25/07/21 02:26 PM
1	CMV: Women's unrealistic standards has led to the collapse of birth rate/marriage rate Yeah guess it doesn’t really matter if West dies off and Islamic culture takes over.	/r/PurplePillDebate	25/07/21 02:23 PM
1	CMV: Women's unrealistic standards has led to the collapse of birth rate/marriage rate 100 percent agree	/r/PurplePillDebate	25/07/21 02:22 PM
1	CMV: Women's unrealistic standards has led to the collapse of birth rate/marriage rate Can’t afford it at all or can’t afford lifestyle they want?	/r/PurplePillDebate	25/07/21 02:21 PM
1	CMV: Women's unrealistic standards has led to the collapse of birth rate/marriage rate Shows the level of delusion in the modern female compared to Dr Phil BS. Very valuable info.	/r/PurplePillDebate	25/07/21 02:20 PM
9	CMV: Women's unrealistic standards has led to the collapse of birth rate/marriage rate You realize these studies are done by feminists right? Ergo, the data can be correct whole conclusions will be clouded in typical feminist clap trap.	/r/PurplePillDebate	25/07/21 02:18 PM
2	CMV: Women's unrealistic standards has led to the collapse of birth rate/marriage rate Yes women have higher demands from men then ever while they are more obese and masculine then ever. I don’t disagree.	/r/PurplePillDebate	25/07/21 02:16 PM
2	CMV: Women's unrealistic standards has led to the collapse of birth rate/marriage rate Or they can let other cultures take over and restore patriarchal values.	/r/PurplePillDebate	25/07/21 02:14 PM
5	CMV: Women's unrealistic standards has led to the collapse of birth rate/marriage rate Beta male will never pay the taxes to support children that way. Ergo, that will fail.	/r/PurplePillDebate	25/07/21 02:14 PM
0	CMV: Women's unrealistic standards has led to the collapse of birth rate/marriage rate Russia is a different animal then USA. I’d argue in Russia men have more of the advantage. But as I recall, birth rates are going up under Putin.	/r/PurplePillDebate	25/07/21 02:13 PM
3	CMV: Women's unrealistic standards has led to the collapse of birth rate/marriage rate Marriage rates at at all time lows in all education levels. It’s just poor uneducated women don’t really marry at all now (they get on welfare and marry state). So comparatively college educated women marry more then poor women.	/r/PurplePillDebate	25/07/21 02:12 PM
1	CMV: Women's unrealistic standards has led to the collapse of birth rate/marriage rate Speaking about population issues.	/r/PurplePillDebate	25/07/21 02:11 PM
8	CMV: Women's unrealistic standards has led to the collapse of birth rate/marriage rate Do I need to link women wanting taller men? Really?	/r/PurplePillDebate	25/07/21 02:10 PM
1	CMV: Women's unrealistic standards has led to the collapse of birth rate/marriage rate Both. Rich men can buy sugar babies. Hot men can sport fuck women in their early 20s.	/r/PurplePillDebate	25/07/21 02:08 PM
2	CMV: Women's unrealistic standards has led to the collapse of birth rate/marriage rate Yes welcome patriarchy from other men’s cultures. It does sort itself out eventually	/r/PurplePillDebate	25/07/21 02:07 PM
0	CMV: Women's unrealistic standards has led to the collapse of birth rate/marriage rate You might be that rare supermodel looking woman with high standards (like everyone else on the internet). However, most women are obese there days with high demands.	/r/PurplePillDebate	25/07/21 02:04 PM
2	CMV: Women's unrealistic standards has led to the collapse of birth rate/marriage rate Women even in the Midwest are demanding 80k plus.	/r/PurplePillDebate	25/07/21 02:03 PM
1	CMV: Women's unrealistic standards has led to the collapse of birth rate/marriage rate Standards for men have gone through the roof while women are more obese and masculine then ever. I think that’s a big part of the issue.	/r/PurplePillDebate	25/07/21 02:02 PM
0	CMV: Women's unrealistic standards has led to the collapse of birth rate/marriage rate Ok. Feminist and female entitlement is at top of list.	/r/PurplePillDebate	25/07/21 02:00 PM
0	CMV: Women's unrealistic standards has led to the collapse of birth rate/marriage rate Answered it perfectly for me. Shaming language incoming with discuss of “sexism and rape” to follow.	/r/PurplePillDebate	25/07/21 01:59 PM
3	CMV: Women's unrealistic standards has led to the collapse of birth rate/marriage rate It needs far more then its current rate. Hence bringing in immigrants.	/r/PurplePillDebate	25/07/21 12:53 PM
3	CMV: Women's unrealistic standards has led to the collapse of birth rate/marriage rate Hence high female demands	/r/PurplePillDebate	25/07/21 12:53 PM
1	CMV: Women's unrealistic standards has led to the collapse of birth rate/marriage rate That doesn't explain any causation. It tries to invert the reality. Feminist studies always show that kind of stuff. Women divorce men because they don't make enough? Well its the man's fault dammit! And that "patriarchy"	/r/PurplePillDebate	25/07/21 12:51 PM
9	CMV: Women's unrealistic standards has led to the collapse of birth rate/marriage rate You have to realize these "studies" are all published in feminist journals. Ergo, it admits women are divorcing men at higher rates if the female makes more. But the conclusions always have to blame the man or it won't get published.	/r/PurplePillDebate	25/07/21 12:46 PM
1	CMV: Women's unrealistic standards has led to the collapse of birth rate/marriage rate So women are just not having kids because its too much work and no benefit? Then why are they still wanting men who make far more then them to marry?	/r/PurplePillDebate	25/07/21 12:44 PM
2	CMV: Women's unrealistic standards has led to the collapse of birth rate/marriage rate Im speaking about USA	/r/PurplePillDebate	25/07/21 12:43 PM
-1	CMV: Women's unrealistic standards has led to the collapse of birth rate/marriage rate Thats the feminist shaming language version of it. I don't agree with the conclusions of the article just the fact that women divorce at higher rates if they earn more then husband. The article clearly shows women divorce men who make less at a far higher rate.	/r/PurplePillDebate	25/07/21 12:43 PM
-4	CMV: Women's unrealistic standards has led to the collapse of birth rate/marriage rate High standards among women in terms of lifestyle leads to this. Ergo, the 100K requirement.	/r/PurplePillDebate	25/07/21 12:40 PM
1	CMV: Women's unrealistic standards has led to the collapse of birth rate/marriage rate I have already answered this above	/r/PurplePillDebate	25/07/21 12:38 PM
3	CMV: Women's unrealistic standards has led to the collapse of birth rate/marriage rate Birth rates are the lowest on record in from 2018 to 2021.	/r/PurplePillDebate	25/07/21 12:37 PM
4	CMV: Women's unrealistic standards has led to the collapse of birth rate/marriage rate Correct	/r/PurplePillDebate	25/07/21 12:37 PM
0	CMV: Women's unrealistic standards has led to the collapse of birth rate/marriage rate I'd argue in their early to mid 20s, its the women rejecting marriage and doing their "party phase" I'd say by women's late 20s to 30s, its the women who are chasing after the above demands and most are unable to secure it these days. Ergo, marriage rates are at all time lows. Men are also figuring out in their 30s+ that earning 100K/year is tough and marrying a poorer female who will take their money isn't a pleasant experience. So they mostly avoid marriage with these women.	/r/PurplePillDebate	25/07/21 12:36 PM
2	CMV: Women's unrealistic standards has led to the collapse of birth rate/marriage rate Its bad if you want a population that survives with children	/r/PurplePillDebate	25/07/21 12:34 PM
2	CMV: Women's unrealistic standards has led to the collapse of birth rate/marriage rate I have given a link to the studies. Can you confirm any studies that show women who earn more then their husband have lower divorce rates?	/r/PurplePillDebate	25/07/21 12:34 PM
1	We are headed for a huge population cliff mainly because men and women have been conditioned to hate each other. This was "in person" culture in the 1990s for big cities.	/r/PurplePillDebate	25/07/21 12:30 PM
5	CMV: Women's unrealistic standards has led to the collapse of birth rate/marriage rate 1) Yes and they promptly get on welfare. This would be the only population in the US that has a higher birth rate. Welfare single moms in poor communities. 2) Sure they can. Men can stand on their "own feet" without women too. Ergo, low birth rates/marriage rates. Women are pickier then ever. I 100% agree. Despite women earning more money, they demand even HIGHER salaries from their husbands. With the high level of affirmative action/low employment for men (especially high school only males), th…	/r/PurplePillDebate	25/07/21 12:29 PM
-2	CMV: Women's unrealistic standards has led to the collapse of birth rate/marriage rate Women have the lowest birth rates in history. "Maintaining" a "high lifestyle" is the likely issue since they want men who make 100K+ these days to "have children". I can agree with that.	/r/PurplePillDebate	25/07/21 12:26 PM
0	CMV: Women's unrealistic standards has led to the collapse of birth rate/marriage rate Population As an individual, I was truly annoyed to see all the below average women (single moms, obese women, women barely earning a living, etc) demanding these traits on dating sites or match maker forums when I was dating. The question of if the woman brought anything to the market was met with blank stares.	/r/PurplePillDebate	25/07/21 12:25 PM
0	CMV: Women's unrealistic standards has led to the collapse of birth rate/marriage rate Are you arguing women aren't picky about income demands for future husbands? https://ifstudies.org/blog/better-educated-women-still-prefer-higher-earning-husbands	/r/PurplePillDebate	25/07/21 12:23 PM
7	CMV: Women's unrealistic standards has led to the collapse of birth rate/marriage rate Highest divorce rate marriages: Women who outearn men.	/r/PurplePillDebate	25/07/21 12:22 PM
9	CMV: Women's unrealistic standards has led to the collapse of birth rate/marriage rate https://ifstudies.org/blog/better-educated-women-still-prefer-higher-earning-husbands One of many "studies" confirming women demanding men make significantly more INCLUDING women who are "better educated".	/r/PurplePillDebate	25/07/21 12:22 PM
3	CMV: Women's unrealistic standards has led to the collapse of birth rate/marriage rate Cool story bro but anecdotal evidence doesn't negate birth rate/marriage rate data.	/r/PurplePillDebate	25/07/21 12:21 PM
4	CMV: Women's unrealistic standards has led to the collapse of birth rate/marriage rate Actually 100K+ is not a "dime a dozen" for men in their 30s-40s. Its top 9% of total male population and about 5% or so for 30s-40s men.	/r/PurplePillDebate	25/07/21 12:21 PM
2	CMV: Women's unrealistic standards has led to the collapse of birth rate/marriage rate At what ages?	/r/PurplePillDebate	25/07/21 12:18 PM
1	CMV: Women's unrealistic standards has led to the collapse of birth rate/marriage rate Hence the reason for the decline in marriage for men in their late 20s to 30s. Successful men are smartening up to this fact.	/r/PurplePillDebate	25/07/21 12:17 PM
2	CMV: Women's unrealistic standards has led to the collapse of birth rate/marriage rate Most women are sleeping with "Chads" in their early to mid 20s and not really interested in marriage to equivalent males. The "attitudes" demanded above mostly apply to women once they hit mid to late 20s onwards when they become more "marriage" minded.	/r/PurplePillDebate	25/07/21 12:16 PM
2	CMV: Women's unrealistic standards has led to the collapse of birth rate/marriage rate Abortion/Contraception has been mainstream since the 1960s. Yet birth/marriage rates didnt collapse until recently.	/r/PurplePillDebate	25/07/21 12:15 PM
3	CMV: Women's unrealistic standards has led to the collapse of birth rate/marriage rate Im speaking about the society in general not my personal situation. Women are at all time low marriage rates/birth rates. That is the discussion. Proof: https://www.marketwatch.com/story/can-american-men-ever-be-happy-if-their-wives-earn-more-than-they-do-2019-04-29	/r/PurplePillDebate	25/07/21 12:13 PM
1	CMV: Women's unrealistic standards has led to the collapse of birth rate/marriage rate Most women who were thin would have the ability to marry a man who is in their early to mid 20s. Its women in those age groups that don't want to marry. This issue about marriage that men are avoiding is when women hit their late 20s to 30s.	/r/PurplePillDebate	25/07/21 12:11 PM
2	CMV: Women's unrealistic standards has led to the collapse of birth rate/marriage rate I stated at the beginning that the women are mostly delusional like the ones who call into Kevin Samuels show. Women mostly never look at it about their SMV position. They have been conditioned to just have "demands" and feel that any man who doesn't fulfill them are inferior creatures that are to be looked down upon.	/r/PurplePillDebate	25/07/21 12:10 PM
2	CMV: Women's unrealistic standards has led to the collapse of birth rate/marriage rate Feminist shaming language lol	/r/PurplePillDebate	25/07/21 12:08 PM
3	CMV: Women's unrealistic standards has led to the collapse of birth rate/marriage rate That comment was edited after the fact. Read my second response.	/r/PurplePillDebate	25/07/21 12:08 PM
1	CMV: Women's unrealistic standards has led to the collapse of birth rate/marriage rate Women avoid marrying in their early to mid 20s due to their "standards". Women regulate that market. Men regulate the market for marriage by late 20s to 30s.	/r/PurplePillDebate	25/07/21 12:03 PM
0	CMV: Women's unrealistic standards has led to the collapse of birth rate/marriage rate The men who get the "most pussy" are usually still the richest. Women are still demanding "hypergamy". Maybe they are marrying men below them more now due to necessity but they clearly aren't happy about it. Women who earn more then men have the HIGHEST divorce rates.	/r/PurplePillDebate	25/07/21 12:02 PM
3	CMV: Women's unrealistic standards has led to the collapse of birth rate/marriage rate LOL this comes from real world women	/r/PurplePillDebate	25/07/21 12:00 PM
-1	CMV: Women's unrealistic standards has led to the collapse of birth rate/marriage rate Thats true But that occurs more for men in their 30+ years when women magically want to get married. Its women avoiding marriage in their 20s mostly.	/r/PurplePillDebate	25/07/21 11:59 AM
1	CMV: Women's unrealistic standards has led to the collapse of birth rate/marriage rate I actually fulfill all these traits listed above.	/r/PurplePillDebate	25/07/21 11:58 AM
3	CMV: Women's unrealistic standards has led to the collapse of birth rate/marriage rate Women are "resentful" due to watching all the women's shows, seeing books like Lori Gottlieb having to convince women to settle and women's general discontent about men without these traits in discussions.	/r/PurplePillDebate	25/07/21 11:57 AM
2	CMV: Women's unrealistic standards has led to the collapse of birth rate/marriage rate Actually most men are looking just for a thin woman in their 20s for "marriage". Men aren't "settling" and "feeling resentful" towards women in the same manner.	/r/PurplePillDebate	25/07/21 11:55 AM
4	CMV: Women's unrealistic standards has led to the collapse of birth rate/marriage rate Notice the term "settle" you used. Imagine how that affects the female thoughts about her "husband" that she "settled" for?	/r/PurplePillDebate	25/07/21 11:52 AM
4	CMV: Women's unrealistic standards has led to the collapse of birth rate/marriage rate I'd argue the female black dating culture is LESS materialistic then white female. Ergo, if its that bad among black females, imagine white females.	/r/PurplePillDebate	25/07/21 11:51 AM
-2	CMV: Women's unrealistic standards has led to the collapse of birth rate/marriage rate Marriage rates and birth rates at all time lows	/r/PurplePillDebate	25/07/21 11:50 AM
2	CMV: Women's unrealistic standards has led to the collapse of birth rate/marriage rate Yet I wrote the typical female demands (especially white female who is college educated)	/r/PurplePillDebate	25/07/21 11:49 AM
6	CMV: Women's unrealistic standards has led to the collapse of birth rate/marriage rate and men don't want to be women's meal ticket and slave.	/r/PurplePillDebate	25/07/21 11:47 AM
3	CMV: Women's unrealistic standards has led to the collapse of birth rate/marriage rate I never wrote 6'4" 10/10 though.	/r/PurplePillDebate	25/07/21 11:46 AM
3	We are headed for a huge population cliff mainly because men and women have been conditioned to hate each other. Thats false. By the 1990s, the popular culture with Dr Phil/Oprah/movies/TV shows were all showing men as "dogs who cheat" and women are virtuous monogamous creatures. Women were already divorcing in droves and taking ex husbands to the cleaners. The MRA/Red Pill is a logical countermovement to 1990s feminism.	/r/PurplePillDebate	25/07/21 11:05 AM
1	We are headed for a huge population cliff mainly because men and women have been conditioned to hate each other. I disagree. Before online dating become prominent (mid 2000s and the more with smartphines in the 2010s), most interaction was in the "clubs and bars". Only attractive, muscular men did well in that environment. That is why the "nerdy" men flocked to online dating when it first started and it was considered for "nerds". Men who do poorly online now would do poorly in the "clubs and bars" in the 1990s.	/r/PurplePillDebate	25/07/21 11:03 AM
3	We are headed for a huge population cliff mainly because men and women have been conditioned to hate each other. I dont remember this culture. In the 1990s, most movies/TV showed people "hooking up" throughout college and having "fun". Marriage wasn't emphasized. Men were promoted as "dogs" who "cheated" on Oprah/Dr Phil/movies as well. Women definitely werent promoted on getting married young either. Feminism was in FULL swing by the 1990s.	/r/PurplePillDebate	25/07/21 11:02 AM
1	We are headed for a huge population cliff mainly because men and women have been conditioned to hate each other. I don't fully agree. By the 1990s (when I was in teens), there wasn't "online" dating but much of the casual dating market was "clubbing and bars". The hypergamy was INSANE at clubs with 8:1 male to female ratios (same for bars). Most men were "incels" in those days as well. Only the top 10% of men at best were consistently getting laid in these situations. Women were already getting massive affirmative action benefits and outnumbered men on college campuses as well. Women were demanding high sa…	/r/PurplePillDebate	25/07/21 10:59 AM
6	Which gender is really more competitive/ambitious? Then I wouldn't have crushed them on MCAT scores. Are you smart enough to know what affirmative action is?	/r/PurplePillDebate	10/07/21 10:20 PM
1	Are your dating chances really better when the ale/female ratio is in your favour? Most college women only want college men due to hypergamy	/r/PurplePillDebate	10/07/21 03:59 PM
2	Are your dating chances really better when the ale/female ratio is in your favour? Its 33/66 by default in men's favor in college. Yet most men in college are not doing that great getting women. So I dont know how to explain it that well. It might be 10/90 ratio now.	/r/PurplePillDebate	10/07/21 01:28 PM
0	Which gender is really more competitive/ambitious? Thats correct. I know by grad school in the 1990s and early 2000s, the LGBT/minorities/women stuff was huge. The only stuff they didnt have were trannies yet.	/r/PurplePillDebate	10/07/21 01:27 PM
4	Are your dating chances really better when the ale/female ratio is in your favour? College dispels this myth. There is about a 2:1 female to male ratio in college whereby college women ONLY want men who are college educated. Yet even in that environment, college men don't seem to be chased by women.	/r/PurplePillDebate	10/07/21 12:40 PM
11	Which gender is really more competitive/ambitious? Decade? I remember in the 1990s getting passed over into medical school by women/minorities in NYC already.	/r/PurplePillDebate	10/07/21 11:39 AM
1	Are the female and male imperatives inherently irreconcilable? 100% truth right here	/r/PurplePillDebate	01/06/21 04:49 PM
2	What do you think is the cause for the supposed disparity between what women say they want and what they actually respond to? This is 100% the reason	/r/PurplePillDebate	30/05/21 03:01 PM
1	A big reason why women are becoming more successful than men today is not cause they are smarter or harder working but because they are better able to capitalize on their sexual attractiveness Must not have lived in NYC	/r/PurplePillDebate	17/04/21 06:44 PM
2	Why are men in the US still getting married when there’s a high rate of divorce. ( 70%) with a high probability of losing a lot of money and possibly your children ? Sugar babies solve that. Plenty of "nontraditional" people are making it to top levels of corporate culture in 2021.	/r/PurplePillDebate	17/04/21 03:04 PM
1	CMV: Red pill is just mostly scammers who are trying to take advantage of down on luck men the scam is they are acting like they are obtaining top level women in their 20s.	/r/PurplePillDebate	11/04/21 05:31 PM
1	A big reason why women are becoming more successful than men today is not cause they are smarter or harder working but because they are better able to capitalize on their sexual attractiveness Cool story	/r/PurplePillDebate	11/04/21 01:53 PM
2	A big reason why women are becoming more successful than men today is not cause they are smarter or harder working but because they are better able to capitalize on their sexual attractiveness Then I guess they dont need affirmative action/quotas anymore they have been whining about for 2 generations?	/r/PurplePillDebate	10/04/21 10:49 PM
1	A big reason why women are becoming more successful than men today is not cause they are smarter or harder working but because they are better able to capitalize on their sexual attractiveness Trust it applies plenty to females in medicine as well. Many physician women dress like hookers on the wards these days with high heels or big boots with short dresses.	/r/PurplePillDebate	10/04/21 10:45 PM
3	A big reason why women are becoming more successful than men today is not cause they are smarter or harder working but because they are better able to capitalize on their sexual attractiveness Trust me the physician females dress like hookers on the wards these days	/r/PurplePillDebate	10/04/21 10:42 PM
2	A big reason why women are becoming more successful than men today is not cause they are smarter or harder working but because they are better able to capitalize on their sexual attractiveness you clearly dont work in medicine	/r/PurplePillDebate	10/04/21 07:39 PM
13	A big reason why women are becoming more successful than men today is not cause they are smarter or harder working but because they are better able to capitalize on their sexual attractiveness These "older" women used their sex appeal at younger ages to get promotions. When they get "older", they push for quotas/affirmative action feminist preference to make sure they continue at top positions.	/r/PurplePillDebate	10/04/21 03:30 PM
1	A big reason why women are becoming more successful than men today is not cause they are smarter or harder working but because they are better able to capitalize on their sexual attractiveness Women are using sex appeal in the workplace to obtain: 1) Affirmative Action quotas 2) "Sex Harassment" to defeat competitor men who are uppity 3) Short/Skimpy clothing that would never be accepted 20+ years ago to get male bosses to give them promotions. Women are keenly aware of their sexual power and are utilizing it strongly in the workforce.	/r/PurplePillDebate	10/04/21 03:27 PM
1	CMV: Red pill is just mostly scammers who are trying to take advantage of down on luck men Cool story bro	/r/PurplePillDebate	05/04/21 09:27 PM
2	CMV: Red pill is just mostly scammers who are trying to take advantage of down on luck men RedPill/Blackpill combo is 100% truth. Its the scammers that ruin the space.	/r/PurplePillDebate	05/04/21 09:09 AM
3	CMV: Red pill is just mostly scammers who are trying to take advantage of down on luck men TRP subreddit has been eliminated and is largely irrelevant now. Youtube is where all the "redpill" content creators are now and these grifters seem to have taken over.	/r/PurplePillDebate	05/04/21 09:07 AM
1	CMV: Red pill is just mostly scammers who are trying to take advantage of down on luck men This is all true except the "gurus" give the fantasy that "game" can overcome this. Yet all the "game" they use hasn't done much for them in real life.	/r/PurplePillDebate	05/04/21 09:05 AM
1	CMV: Red pill is just mostly scammers who are trying to take advantage of down on luck men Yeah "GayLubeOil" was another clown when I used to rarely frequent TRP forums. Dude was just a generic gym guy that was nothing special with an average girlfriend acting like he was "super chad" and selling BS. There is no way that clown could go to any random club and "slay" pussy. I never saw real "Chads" on there to be honest but I would see "reports" that was mostly fiction writing.	/r/PurplePillDebate	05/04/21 09:02 AM
1	CMV: Red pill is just mostly scammers who are trying to take advantage of down on luck men No "game" that these TRP coaches sell is just "being confident", having stupid jokes, being "alpha", etc. Actual fighters or drug dealers aren't using "game".	/r/PurplePillDebate	05/04/21 09:01 AM
2	CMV: Red pill is just mostly scammers who are trying to take advantage of down on luck men It seems that TRP has regressed dramatically over the last 3 years. It is just grifters/scammers like Rich Cooper now that got into it to sell scam courses/soap. The good theorists are all gone and there has been literally no advances over the last 4 years or so. Also, if someone is coming into the TRP space now without knowledge of its history, they will only be introduced to these scammers and it will turn them off.	/r/PurplePillDebate	05/04/21 08:59 AM
1	CMV: Red pill is just mostly scammers who are trying to take advantage of down on luck men Name one that is "living" anything close to "alpha male" conventional red pill theory in the real world.	/r/PurplePillDebate	05/04/21 08:57 AM
1	CMV: Red pill is just mostly scammers who are trying to take advantage of down on luck men Yes but average looking/status men aren't "cold approaching" women with any consistency and being successful using "game". None of these "gurus" pick up women in the real world.	/r/PurplePillDebate	05/04/21 08:55 AM
3	CMV: Red pill is just mostly scammers who are trying to take advantage of down on luck men Show me any dude that is average in looks/status that can obtain women using "game" and "cold approaches". You think a clown like Jon Hogwood or Roosh in his prime was able to consistently pick up women on "cold approaches"?	/r/PurplePillDebate	05/04/21 08:54 AM
1	CMV: Red pill is just mostly scammers who are trying to take advantage of down on luck men Bro even nightclubs in the 1990s were very competitive. I dont even believe this "before online" dating stuff was some kind of panacea. The 1990s were brutal in the "clubs"	/r/PurplePillDebate	05/04/21 08:52 AM
0	CMV: Red pill is just mostly scammers who are trying to take advantage of down on luck men Yeah that is very true. Much of one's success and "status" are luck and genetics too. Height is genetics. Facial aesthetics is mostly genetics. Even muscle mass development often requires roids/HGH to really "stand out" from the crowd these days. Remember its not enough to have "some muscle" but you basically need to be super ripped/roided these days to really stand out for women.	/r/PurplePillDebate	05/04/21 08:48 AM
1	CMV: Red pill is just mostly scammers who are trying to take advantage of down on luck men Yeah I enjoy the Better Bachelor and Coach Greg Adams stuff However, I am concerned because they are now involved with Donovan Sharpe's scam conference. Major turn off.	/r/PurplePillDebate	05/04/21 08:45 AM
1	CMV: Red pill is just mostly scammers who are trying to take advantage of down on luck men Blackpill/Redpill combo is best	/r/PurplePillDebate	05/04/21 08:39 AM
0	CMV: Red pill is just mostly scammers who are trying to take advantage of down on luck men Got to clean out the trash bro TRP has to have a filter mechanism if its to survive	/r/PurplePillDebate	05/04/21 08:38 AM
3	CMV: Red pill is just mostly scammers who are trying to take advantage of down on luck men lol true	/r/PurplePillDebate	05/04/21 08:37 AM
1	CMV: Red pill is just mostly scammers who are trying to take advantage of down on luck men Coaches can prove their teams ability though	/r/PurplePillDebate	05/04/21 08:37 AM
1	CMV: Red pill is just mostly scammers who are trying to take advantage of down on luck men I agree	/r/PurplePillDebate	05/04/21 08:36 AM
4	CMV: Red pill is just mostly scammers who are trying to take advantage of down on luck men lol we can argue that on another thread	/r/PurplePillDebate	05/04/21 12:23 AM
1	CMV: Red pill is just mostly scammers who are trying to take advantage of down on luck men Yet all these clowns are married to single moms or older women	/r/PurplePillDebate	05/04/21 12:21 AM
2	CMV: Red pill is just mostly scammers who are trying to take advantage of down on luck men Yet he promotes all these scammers around him	/r/PurplePillDebate	05/04/21 12:19 AM
2	CMV: Red pill is just mostly scammers who are trying to take advantage of down on luck men Makes it tough when reddit has shut down the whole TRP subreddit. All we have left are these grifters who call themselves the "leaders" or "godfather" of Red Pill. I understand the concept of TRP though should be much better then this PUA scam stuff it has morphed into.	/r/PurplePillDebate	05/04/21 12:03 AM
2	CMV: Red pill is just mostly scammers who are trying to take advantage of down on luck men I read it. So what? Does that justify him selling BS conferences for 10+ year old material? Or push all those other scammers? Does this ignore the fact that he married a 35 year old woman when he was 30? Come on bro	/r/PurplePillDebate	04/04/21 11:41 PM
2	CMV: Red pill is just mostly scammers who are trying to take advantage of down on luck men They had huge videos out there with 100K+ views on this topic as well. I am fine with TRP as long as they aren't selling scam conferences, soap or 2k/hr calls. I am not fine with dudes pretending to be PUA chads when they are married to postwall single moms, etc either.	/r/PurplePillDebate	04/04/21 11:38 PM
3	CMV: Red pill is just mostly scammers who are trying to take advantage of down on luck men True	/r/PurplePillDebate	04/04/21 11:33 PM
5	CMV: Red pill is just mostly scammers who are trying to take advantage of down on luck men He married a 35 year old female when he was 30. So by his own logic, his SMV was going up while hers was collapsing. So it was the worst possible marriage choice for a "red pill" man to make and totally opposite of his theories.	/r/PurplePillDebate	04/04/21 11:31 PM
11	CMV: Red pill is just mostly scammers who are trying to take advantage of down on luck men Lets not pretend feminism hasn't been toxic and "playing games" for 2 generations now. That is why we have a red pill.	/r/PurplePillDebate	04/04/21 11:26 PM
12	CMV: Red pill is just mostly scammers who are trying to take advantage of down on luck men Life in the modern western world is "toxic" especially when it comes to feminism	/r/PurplePillDebate	04/04/21 11:25 PM
2	CMV: Red pill is just mostly scammers who are trying to take advantage of down on luck men Yeah that is why blackpill is winning out over redpill now	/r/PurplePillDebate	04/04/21 11:24 PM
1	CMV: Red pill is just mostly scammers who are trying to take advantage of down on luck men I can agree with this	/r/PurplePillDebate	04/04/21 11:24 PM
4	CMV: Red pill is just mostly scammers who are trying to take advantage of down on luck men Im speaking about all the notable youtube red piller figures like the Rollo crew. Rollo is the "godfather" of the Red Pill as you know.	/r/PurplePillDebate	04/04/21 11:23 PM
2	CMV: Red pill is just mostly scammers who are trying to take advantage of down on luck men Doesnt sound very red pill	/r/PurplePillDebate	04/04/21 11:22 PM
2	CMV: Red pill is just mostly scammers who are trying to take advantage of down on luck men Disproven how?	/r/PurplePillDebate	04/04/21 11:21 PM
3	CMV: Red pill is just mostly scammers who are trying to take advantage of down on luck men Im not arguing about 3-6 years ago. I think it was way better back then. There hasn't been any advances since then though in TRP and it just became PUA scammer crap. Rollo hasn't added anything new for at least 10 years.	/r/PurplePillDebate	04/04/21 11:21 PM
2	CMV: Red pill is just mostly scammers who are trying to take advantage of down on luck men who are they then?	/r/PurplePillDebate	04/04/21 08:00 PM
3	CMV: Red pill is just mostly scammers who are trying to take advantage of down on luck men Bro this clown Donovan Sharpe is charging 2K each for his conference now	/r/PurplePillDebate	04/04/21 07:47 PM
7	CMV: Red pill is just mostly scammers who are trying to take advantage of down on luck men His book Rational Male is 10+ years old and he stole it mostly from sosuave forums	/r/PurplePillDebate	04/04/21 07:14 PM
3	CMV: Red pill is just mostly scammers who are trying to take advantage of down on luck men you never heard of Rollo?	/r/PurplePillDebate	04/04/21 07:00 PM
2	CMV: Red pill is just mostly scammers who are trying to take advantage of down on luck men truth	/r/PurplePillDebate	04/04/21 06:55 PM
2	CMV: Red pill is just mostly scammers who are trying to take advantage of down on luck men Yet these guys claim to run Red Pill	/r/PurplePillDebate	04/04/21 06:50 PM
2	CMV: Red pill is just mostly scammers who are trying to take advantage of down on luck men bad boys are fighters or sell drugs or have another angle besides just "game"	/r/PurplePillDebate	04/04/21 06:50 PM
6	CMV: Red pill is just mostly scammers who are trying to take advantage of down on luck men bro Rollo pushes all the PUA stuff too	/r/PurplePillDebate	04/04/21 06:49 PM
3	CMV: Red pill is just mostly scammers who are trying to take advantage of down on luck men "game" only works if you have all the other essential stuff women want its icing on the cake at best but not the cake.	/r/PurplePillDebate	04/04/21 06:38 PM
9	CMV: Red pill is just mostly scammers who are trying to take advantage of down on luck men "Game" only works if you have all that other stuff	/r/PurplePillDebate	04/04/21 06:29 PM
2	CMV: Red pill is just mostly scammers who are trying to take advantage of down on luck men yeah it can mean any "high status" guy in any topic	/r/PurplePillDebate	04/04/21 06:28 PM
0	CMV: Red pill is just mostly scammers who are trying to take advantage of down on luck men Hypergamy can be rich banker or drug dealer thug or nerdy rock star. Just anyone that women could like basically.	/r/PurplePillDebate	04/04/21 06:23 PM
2	CMV: Red pill is just mostly scammers who are trying to take advantage of down on luck men That part I agree with but that isn't what they are "selling". They are selling "game" and other mostly PUA scam stuff that they are calling Red pill including Rollo	/r/PurplePillDebate	04/04/21 06:22 PM
3	CMV: Red pill is just mostly scammers who are trying to take advantage of down on luck men Yet they seem to be running the whole Red Pill online now	/r/PurplePillDebate	04/04/21 06:17 PM
1	CMV: Red pill is just mostly scammers who are trying to take advantage of down on luck men Agree 100% but really can't say much since this is CMV	/r/PurplePillDebate	04/04/21 06:16 PM
1	CMV: Red pill is just mostly scammers who are trying to take advantage of down on luck men For 2K, you can bang a bunch of sugar babies instead of listening to some clown like Rollo taking about hypergamy for the 1000 time.	/r/PurplePillDebate	04/04/21 06:12 PM
3	CMV: Red pill is just mostly scammers who are trying to take advantage of down on luck men Yeah I agree but im starting to question him since he is going to these scam conferences now with Donovan Sharpe	/r/PurplePillDebate	04/04/21 06:11 PM
2	CMV: Red pill is just mostly scammers who are trying to take advantage of down on luck men https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=j-_KUy8ATYg&t=433s	/r/PurplePillDebate	04/04/21 06:07 PM
1	CMV: Red pill is just mostly scammers who are trying to take advantage of down on luck men Seems far more effective then "game" or spending 2k/hr talking to Rich Cooper or 2K for a Conference on Male Excellence with Donovan Sharpe	/r/PurplePillDebate	04/04/21 06:07 PM
5	CMV: Red pill is just mostly scammers who are trying to take advantage of down on luck men If they claimed that are 5/10 man could become a 7/10 with working out, "game", etc. then I could believe it. If they said you get slight improvement but will never be at the level of a Chad it wouldn't sell well though. Thats why they have to lie about it.	/r/PurplePillDebate	04/04/21 06:04 PM
12	CMV: Red pill is just mostly scammers who are trying to take advantage of down on luck men Hence blackpill	/r/PurplePillDebate	04/04/21 06:00 PM
1	CMV: Red pill is just mostly scammers who are trying to take advantage of down on luck men Yeah but at least if you're living it then you can sell it. Jon Hogwood telling people to "do the work" while dating 1/10 Asian women he has to pay for isn't exactly good business.	/r/PurplePillDebate	04/04/21 06:00 PM
2	CMV: Red pill is just mostly scammers who are trying to take advantage of down on luck men They identify as the leaders of the red pill	/r/PurplePillDebate	04/04/21 05:58 PM
2	CMV: Red pill is just mostly scammers who are trying to take advantage of down on luck men Rollo is the "godfather" of the Red Pill though.	/r/PurplePillDebate	04/04/21 05:54 PM
8	CMV: Red pill is just mostly scammers who are trying to take advantage of down on luck men Yes but there is only so far you can go based on genetics and luck with that stuff. That is why blackpill is far more accurate.	/r/PurplePillDebate	04/04/21 05:53 PM
1	CMV: Red pill is just mostly scammers who are trying to take advantage of down on luck men You should teach at his conferences then with Donovan Sharpe	/r/PurplePillDebate	04/04/21 05:51 PM
0	CMV: Red pill is just mostly scammers who are trying to take advantage of down on luck men This is purple pill debate bro	/r/PurplePillDebate	04/04/21 05:51 PM
2	CMV: Red pill is just mostly scammers who are trying to take advantage of down on luck men Then explain all the above examples	/r/PurplePillDebate	04/04/21 05:51 PM
1	CMV: Red pill is just mostly scammers who are trying to take advantage of down on luck men Well thats good to hear. Their conversion rates should be .001% at best.	/r/PurplePillDebate	04/04/21 05:49 PM
14	CMV: Red pill is just mostly scammers who are trying to take advantage of down on luck men Yeah but "Red Pill" content creators only solution is to sell scam courses and soap	/r/PurplePillDebate	04/04/21 05:48 PM
2	CMV: Red pill is just mostly scammers who are trying to take advantage of down on luck men Bro watch John Anthony's video exposing MLD Its basically 1/10 Asian women and gay dudes he is hanging out with.	/r/PurplePillDebate	04/04/21 05:47 PM
5	CMV: Red pill is just mostly scammers who are trying to take advantage of down on luck men That is what blackpill says. Redpill claims you can use "game" and "frame" and other BS tricks to get top level women.	/r/PurplePillDebate	04/04/21 05:46 PM
3	CMV: Red pill is just mostly scammers who are trying to take advantage of down on luck men How do we know it works if their top practitioners cant achieve anything close to their claims? How do we know blackpill isnt right?	/r/PurplePillDebate	04/04/21 05:45 PM
6	CMV: Red pill is just mostly scammers who are trying to take advantage of down on luck men They seem to have some kind of business model since they keep selling their BS. Cooper apparently has people subbing to his scam stuff and making >6 figures from it.	/r/PurplePillDebate	04/04/21 05:44 PM
33	CMV: Red pill is just mostly scammers who are trying to take advantage of down on luck men Dating "coaches" hate the blackpill stuff because they can't sell that to unlucky men.	/r/PurplePillDebate	04/04/21 05:42 PM
-1	CMV: Red pill is just mostly scammers who are trying to take advantage of down on luck men THey are all selling each others scam stuff Edwin Hopkins is even running a "conference" at 2K/person to teach people about "masculine excellence" that his single mom wife is running.	/r/PurplePillDebate	04/04/21 05:41 PM
3	CMV: Red pill is just mostly scammers who are trying to take advantage of down on luck men Yeah but all the main content creators are now PUA scammers.	/r/PurplePillDebate	04/04/21 05:40 PM
3	CMV: Red pill is just mostly scammers who are trying to take advantage of down on luck men The term "hypergamy" can mean anything too. Its a nebulous term that Rollo stole from evolutionary psychology books and sosuave forums	/r/PurplePillDebate	04/04/21 05:39 PM
5	CMV: Red pill is just mostly scammers who are trying to take advantage of down on luck men All the main content creators are now selling courses and other BS stuff. It wouldn't be so bad if it was just theory without all the selling of scam courses and "conferences"	/r/PurplePillDebate	04/04/21 05:37 PM
2	CMV: Red pill is just mostly scammers who are trying to take advantage of down on luck men You too bro	/r/PurplePillDebate	04/04/21 05:32 PM
7	CMV: Red pill is just mostly scammers who are trying to take advantage of down on luck men Although much of their diagnosis is correct, their "solutions" clearly haven't worked for them. How can they sell "solutions" when they can't achieve even come close to achieving it themselves?	/r/PurplePillDebate	04/04/21 05:31 PM
3	CMV: Red pill is just mostly scammers who are trying to take advantage of down on luck men You seem emotionally invested in them. Did you buy their PUA courses too bro? Its like a dude who is morbidly obese selling dieting tips. It just doesn't work bro.	/r/PurplePillDebate	04/04/21 05:29 PM
2	CMV: Red pill is just mostly scammers who are trying to take advantage of down on luck men Its spelled Shekel lol Are you Jon Hogwood bro?	/r/PurplePillDebate	04/04/21 05:26 PM
15	CMV: Red pill is just mostly scammers who are trying to take advantage of down on luck men Bro have you seen the women on his social media accounts? Where's all these "hot women" that he can get from "game"? I was expecting to see 8-10/10 supermodels that were 10 years younger then himself but instead saw 1/10 Asian women he had to pay for.	/r/PurplePillDebate	04/04/21 05:25 PM
3	CMV: Red pill is just mostly scammers who are trying to take advantage of down on luck men I know plenty about them. Anthony Dream Johnson, John Anthony, MGTOW Dictionary, etc have been exposing them. Why are their personal lives in direct opposition to their talk? I mean these dudes are married to older women, single moms, etc.	/r/PurplePillDebate	04/04/21 05:23 PM
1	What is the mindset of women in their late thirties or older wanting to have kids? I don't know how they "concluded" that. It clearly says OLDER men with women under 35 DON'T have that risk. Is there a study confirming women over 35 with men under 35 have a lower risk then women over 35 with men over 35? That is the only way I can see making that conclusion.	/r/PurplePillDebate	16/02/21 03:13 PM
2	What is the mindset of women in their late thirties or older wanting to have kids? Actually someone posted this gem trying to confirm men are at risk for causing "Down's syndrome in older women" but the findings actually confirmed older men with younger women have same risk as younger men with younger women. "Paternal age has an effect on Down syndrome but only in mothers 35 years old and older," write researcher Harry Fisch, MD, of the department of urology at Columbia-Presbyterian Medical Center in New York City, and colleagues. "In younger women, in whom age was not a risk …	/r/PurplePillDebate	16/02/21 11:23 AM
1	What is the mindset of women in their late thirties or older wanting to have kids? The "newer" studies only show "increased autisim risk" which is a far more nebulous disease without any clear cut genetic markets like Down's. Furthermore, there are confounding variables including: A) Autist men have children at older age. 2) Diagnosis of Autism is far higher in general in the last 15 years. The only way to determine if this is true is to have the SAME men having children in their 20s vs 40s with women in their 20s and correcting for increased autism rates in general largely du…	/r/PurplePillDebate	16/02/21 10:33 AM
1	What is the mindset of women in their late thirties or older wanting to have kids? The "newer" studies only show "increased autisim risk" which is a far more nebulous disease without any clear cut genetic markets like Down's. Furthermore, there are confounding variables including: A) Autist men have children at older age. 2) Diagnosis of Autism is far higher in general in the last 15 years. The only way to determine if this is true is to have the SAME men having children in their 20s vs 40s with women in their 20s and correcting for increased autism rates in general largely du…	/r/PurplePillDebate	16/02/21 10:33 AM
0	What is the mindset of women in their late thirties or older wanting to have kids? The "newer" studies only show "increased autisim risk" which is a far more nebulous disease without any clear cut genetic markets like Down's. Furthermore, there are confounding variables including: A) Autist men have children at older age. 2) Diagnosis of Autism is far higher in general in the last 15 years. The only way to determine if this is true is to have the SAME men having children in their 20s vs 40s with women in their 20s and correcting for increased autism rates in general largely du…	/r/PurplePillDebate	16/02/21 10:33 AM
0	What is the mindset of women in their late thirties or older wanting to have kids? Once again: "A 2009 review prematurely concluded that the absolute risk from paternal age for genetic anomalies in offspring was low, and stated that "there is no clear association between adverse health outcome and paternal age but longitudinal studies are needed."[14]"	/r/PurplePillDebate	16/02/21 10:14 AM
0	What is the mindset of women in their late thirties or older wanting to have kids? "A 2009 review prematurely concluded that the absolute risk from paternal age for genetic anomalies in offspring was low, and stated that "there is no clear association between adverse health outcome and paternal age but longitudinal studies are needed."[14]" Your own wiki quote confirms bigger studies say the opposite.	/r/PurplePillDebate	16/02/21 10:14 AM
1	CMV: 30+ year old "successful beta" males would be better off sampling Sugar Market than commitment to women in their 30s True but Stacy didn't have to put out in her 20s like "average" female did	/r/PurplePillDebate	15/12/20 11:01 AM
2	CMV: 30+ year old "successful beta" males would be better off sampling Sugar Market than commitment to women in their 30s The problem is these "educated" women will often go to part time or stop working after they have one kid while sticking the collect and grad school debt on the husband.	/r/PurplePillDebate	14/12/20 08:45 PM
0	Men don't age like wine. They hit the wall at the same exact time women do. Women's fertility is far more susceptible to STDs as well. As a result, women running on the CC are far less likely to bear children than younger cohorts of women.	/r/PurplePillDebate	14/12/20 08:06 PM
1	CMV: 30+ year old "successful beta" males would be better off sampling Sugar Market than commitment to women in their 30s False: 1) Never said 100%. Realistically, its like 70% for women that aren't married by 29+. This doesn't apply to women who marry young for the most part or marry their HS sweetheart. 2) That is a more tricky concept. Beta male can improve enough but why would he waste it on someone who slept around for many years while he is improving? 3) Not enough value for the male of equivalent age to marry	/r/PurplePillDebate	14/12/20 08:01 PM
0	Men don't age like wine. They hit the wall at the same exact time women do. Celebrity males as "sexiest man alive" are never young 20s	/r/PurplePillDebate	14/12/20 07:45 PM
-5	Men don't age like wine. They hit the wall at the same exact time women do. Celebrity females lose their "looks" far quicker than celebrity males. That is why the "sexist man alive" celebrity males are always >30 while females are often in their 20s. Women have become angry about this recent and try to artificially push older women/obese women as "attractive" but this really isn't the case.	/r/PurplePillDebate	14/12/20 07:44 PM
-1	Men don't age like wine. They hit the wall at the same exact time women do. The older Clooney looks more distinguished and attractive. There is a reason the top celebrity males are all >30 years in age for looks.	/r/PurplePillDebate	14/12/20 07:43 PM
1	"Be yourself" and pretty much all dating troubles started with Baby Boomers What % "minority"? Also, I would figure it represents a very substantial % of women who arent married by late 20s	/r/PurplePillDebate	14/12/20 06:11 PM
0	"Be yourself" and pretty much all dating troubles started with Baby Boomers It was powerful enough that women mostly married by 20 until the 1990s	/r/PurplePillDebate	14/12/20 05:53 PM
2	"Be yourself" and pretty much all dating troubles started with Baby Boomers Not just "intimidated" but also expectations for commitment are higher since they can demand it. Average women dont have that ability with Chads.	/r/PurplePillDebate	14/12/20 05:50 PM
1	CMV: 30+ year old "successful beta" males would be better off sampling Sugar Market than commitment to women in their 30s Chad still has to put in work to get a Stacy. Chad has no put in minimal to no work for "average" women. Ergo, he more readily bangs average women due to no need for effort.	/r/PurplePillDebate	14/12/20 05:49 PM
5	"Be yourself" and pretty much all dating troubles started with Baby Boomers Boomers affected the cultural changes from the 1960s onwards and implemented it through institutional power from the 1990s onwards.	/r/PurplePillDebate	14/12/20 05:47 PM
1	"Be yourself" and pretty much all dating troubles started with Baby Boomers most women are liberal arts majors. Physician women who go through rigorous medical school/residency curriculum have far better "excuse" to not be married into late 20s/early 30s without them riding the CC.	/r/PurplePillDebate	14/12/20 05:46 PM
2	CMV: Supply And Demand Curve Is Off In American Dating Correct. The SMP is more like a govt subsidy for female imperative using the beta male's taxes to allow for this lifestyle.	/r/PurplePillDebate	14/12/20 05:40 PM
1	CMV: 30+ year old "successful beta" males would be better off sampling Sugar Market than commitment to women in their 30s He can afford SBs	/r/PurplePillDebate	14/12/20 05:37 PM
2	"Be yourself" and pretty much all dating troubles started with Baby Boomers It is true enough for most liberal arts "feminists" college grads that are 28+ that arent married	/r/PurplePillDebate	14/12/20 05:37 PM
1	CMV: The Wall Is due more to lifestyle than age Its worsened by poor lifestyle but fertility drops far earlier for females regardless of health status.	/r/PurplePillDebate	14/12/20 05:36 PM
2	"Be yourself" and pretty much all dating troubles started with Baby Boomers The stats bear it out. The lower on the looks scale, the more sexual partners women have.	/r/PurplePillDebate	14/12/20 05:35 PM
1	CMV: 30+ year old "successful beta" males would be better off sampling Sugar Market than commitment to women in their 30s They can't rail a 9/10 with no effort. Stacies make Chads offer relationship/commitment. "Average" women with no bargaining power will offer pussy to Chads far more easily.	/r/PurplePillDebate	14/12/20 05:35 PM
1	CMV: 30+ year old "successful beta" males would be better off sampling Sugar Market than commitment to women in their 30s Im in a situation where I am involved with a female 11+ years younger than me and have multiple children. Im speaking about this from an academic exercise mostly.	/r/PurplePillDebate	14/12/20 05:34 PM
1	"Be yourself" and pretty much all dating troubles started with Baby Boomers I think the "Chads" are banging the majority of college women. The stats on "sexual partners" is bearing it out. Most "Chads" will bang average women if they offer pussy to them.	/r/PurplePillDebate	14/12/20 05:33 PM
3	"Be yourself" and pretty much all dating troubles started with Baby Boomers Stacies are harder to bang for ONS too. A 9-10/10 female demands commitment out of the "Chad" far more than "average" women who have no bargaining ability outside of offering fast pussy.	/r/PurplePillDebate	14/12/20 05:31 PM
1	CMV: 30+ year old "successful beta" males would be better off sampling Sugar Market than commitment to women in their 30s There is no evidence of the later. Its only the former assertion.	/r/PurplePillDebate	14/12/20 05:29 PM
1	CMV: 30+ year old "successful beta" males would be better off sampling Sugar Market than commitment to women in their 30s 10% of men can easily bang 80% of the women during their 20s.	/r/PurplePillDebate	14/12/20 05:28 PM
3	"Be yourself" and pretty much all dating troubles started with Baby Boomers The will be able to sleep with him. They just wont be able to get any type of long term relationship with him. Doesn't mean they wont try.	/r/PurplePillDebate	14/12/20 05:27 PM
29	"Be yourself" and pretty much all dating troubles started with Baby Boomers The boomers didn't gain institutional power until the 90s. Bill Clinton was the first boomer President.	/r/PurplePillDebate	14/12/20 05:25 PM
1	CMV: 30+ year old "successful beta" males would be better off sampling Sugar Market than commitment to women in their 30s Who said "every"?	/r/PurplePillDebate	14/12/20 05:24 PM
1	CMV: 30+ year old "successful beta" males would be better off sampling Sugar Market than commitment to women in their 30s If they can't, then they should remain childless and run a harem of SBs with money.	/r/PurplePillDebate	14/12/20 05:23 PM
1	CMV: 30+ year old "successful beta" males would be better off sampling Sugar Market than commitment to women in their 30s Divorce Rates are only down because total marriage rates are down. The % of marriage divorce is still around 50% despite far less marriages	/r/PurplePillDebate	14/12/20 05:22 PM
3	"Be yourself" and pretty much all dating troubles started with Baby Boomers Boomers didnt gain control of the society until the 90s. First boomer President was Clinton. Boomers ruined the society since the early 90s when they took over.	/r/PurplePillDebate	14/12/20 05:21 PM
3	"Be yourself" and pretty much all dating troubles started with Baby Boomers Im not sure that is even true anymore that women who marry in their 30s are doing it with their HS/Teen Boyfriends. Most women are marrying late 20s now.	/r/PurplePillDebate	14/12/20 05:18 PM
2	"Be yourself" and pretty much all dating troubles started with Baby Boomers Its not better for the man to marry an older woman with more "experience" sexually. Thats is NEVER true. Chad dude usually bangs hot ones but he will often dip into lower/mid tier when he gets drunk at bars/clubs/rotating harems when he feels like it. "Stacies" are far harder to bang on ONS since they have more SMP capital compared to average women. The "average" women have to throw pussy at Chad much more readily.	/r/PurplePillDebate	14/12/20 05:17 PM
0	CMV: 30+ year old "successful beta" males would be better off sampling Sugar Market than commitment to women in their 30s Most women are kindve prostitutes in some form. I agree with the relationship with a woman in 20s if man is in 30s as a good alternative.	/r/PurplePillDebate	14/12/20 05:09 PM
1	CMV: 30+ year old "successful beta" males would be better off sampling Sugar Market than commitment to women in their 30s Cool if you want to marry post wall CC riders, more power to you bro (if you really are a bro). The stats in psychology as the another poster added confirms differently.	/r/PurplePillDebate	14/12/20 05:08 PM
1	CMV: 30+ year old "successful beta" males would be better off sampling Sugar Market than commitment to women in their 30s Yeah the MC collapsed the most. The UMC is somewhat down but that could represent a different demographic of more highly educated females that actually bring money/income to the table. Most women dont bring significant income/assets to the table to justify marriage with for betas.	/r/PurplePillDebate	14/12/20 05:07 PM
1	CMV: 30+ year old "successful beta" males would be better off sampling Sugar Market than commitment to women in their 30s Most women are hookers in one form or another. Post Wall CC rider is a more expensive hooker.	/r/PurplePillDebate	14/12/20 05:06 PM
1	CMV: 30+ year old "successful beta" males would be better off sampling Sugar Market than commitment to women in their 30s Good citation and accurate with TRP perspective	/r/PurplePillDebate	14/12/20 05:05 PM
6	"Be yourself" and pretty much all dating troubles started with Baby Boomers Actually the average age of marriage went from around 20 for females up until early 90s to about late 20s now for women. When women married young, there was no AF/BB opportunity structure. Yeah I mean Chad only bangs other Stacies and never 4s to 7s in ONS/short term flings right? LOL	/r/PurplePillDebate	14/12/20 05:02 PM
4	"Be yourself" and pretty much all dating troubles started with Baby Boomers The boomers set up the current paradigm when they took control of society in the 1990s. They pushed feminism, multiculturalism, LGBT, etc	/r/PurplePillDebate	14/12/20 04:56 PM
0	"Be yourself" and pretty much all dating troubles started with Baby Boomers The AF/BB phenomena really started around the 1990s. Most women were getting married by late teens and early 20s well into the 1990s. The really couldn't ride the CC until late 20s/30s and then marry some simp. They were marrying equivalent age men they met in HS and college up until 1990s on average. It was only since the mid 90s that women started marrying far later, fucking tons of "Chads" at clubs/bars (now off Tinder), etc. When were still able to get "simps" to marry pretty readily once th…	/r/PurplePillDebate	14/12/20 04:29 PM
1	CMV: 30+ year old "successful beta" males would be better off sampling Sugar Market than commitment to women in their 30s Why should a beta risk half his assets/income on a female that was unreliable in the past? Its like asking to overlook credit scores for loan applications.	/r/PurplePillDebate	14/12/20 04:26 PM
3	CMV: 30+ year old "successful beta" males would be better off sampling Sugar Market than commitment to women in their 30s Wow women take to their 30s to become "mature" Amazing how that works. I thought women were supposed the more "mature" sex at younger ages?	/r/PurplePillDebate	14/12/20 04:25 PM
1	CMV: 30+ year old "successful beta" males would be better off sampling Sugar Market than commitment to women in their 30s Theres something wrong with there is a large disparity in sexual backgrounds. When a female "changes" preferences dramatically after she has gotten older/less desirable, its a red flag. Rollo is a clown. Dunno where he came from lol	/r/PurplePillDebate	14/12/20 04:25 PM
3	CMV: 30+ year old "successful beta" males would be better off sampling Sugar Market than commitment to women in their 30s Post Wall women in their 30s never admit to the beta they are settling. They will claim they "changed and dont like badboys/fuckboys" anymore. Magically, this happens after the female is older and less desirable.	/r/PurplePillDebate	14/12/20 04:08 PM
1	CMV: 30+ year old "successful beta" males would be better off sampling Sugar Market than commitment to women in their 30s Marriage is not a partnership though under current laws. Its a subsidy for the lower income/asset "partner" and an annuity on top of it if they break apart. There is no reciprocity noted in the contract either or obligations for the lower income/asset partner in the contract. No business would allow for a "partnership" like that.	/r/PurplePillDebate	14/12/20 04:02 PM
-1	CMV: 30+ year old "successful beta" males would be better off sampling Sugar Market than commitment to women in their 30s There's plenty of those posts and some of the most upvoted ones on the sugar reddit. Regardless, its a better option than a 30+ year old woman "settling"	/r/PurplePillDebate	14/12/20 04:00 PM
1	CMV: 30+ year old "successful beta" males would be better off sampling Sugar Market than commitment to women in their 30s Why would a guy chose to be in a relationship with a female that had sex with multiple "bad boy Chads" in her 20s when he is an accountant in his 30s? He doesn't fit that stereotype at all. Why would she be interested in him by 30s outside of money? The problem is women don't admit they are "settling" to the "beta". They usually say they have "changed", etc. Why would a female admit to "settling" when she needs the beta for financial benefit?	/r/PurplePillDebate	14/12/20 03:57 PM
1	CMV: 30+ year old "successful beta" males would be better off sampling Sugar Market than commitment to women in their 30s Actually they don't when its this type of relationship. Current marriage rates and divorce rates confirm it.	/r/PurplePillDebate	14/12/20 03:56 PM
1	CMV: 30+ year old "successful beta" males would be better off sampling Sugar Market than commitment to women in their 30s The nanny can be a different person	/r/PurplePillDebate	14/12/20 03:48 PM
2	CMV: 30+ year old "successful beta" males would be better off sampling Sugar Market than commitment to women in their 30s You are giving multiple false assumptions here including: 1) Female brings assets and income to relationship. Most of these 30+ year old women are in debt and make less than the beta. 2) Prenups are solid 3) Female doesn't stop working after having 1 kid or more. There are very few good "2 income" households where the female brings in as much as the male and contributes equally.	/r/PurplePillDebate	14/12/20 03:48 PM
3	CMV: 30+ year old "successful beta" males would be better off sampling Sugar Market than commitment to women in their 30s Yes if the female makes more then the male and has more assets, there is no risk in marriage to that female. Im speaking about females who have debt and less money/assets which are the good majority.	/r/PurplePillDebate	14/12/20 03:46 PM
2	CMV: 30+ year old "successful beta" males would be better off sampling Sugar Market than commitment to women in their 30s I dont see evidence that UMC and MC marriage rates are "stable". Marriage rates have collapsed in general and are lowest on record with lowest birth rates on record. Marriage was already gone many years ago for the low income segment. Ergo, the collapse is hitting MC hard and somewhat UMC.	/r/PurplePillDebate	14/12/20 03:46 PM
2	CMV: 30+ year old "successful beta" males would be better off sampling Sugar Market than commitment to women in their 30s Plenty of women on the Sugar Reddit talk about "falling for" their older SDs. I wouldn't ask it in that manner.	/r/PurplePillDebate	14/12/20 03:45 PM
2	CMV: 30+ year old "successful beta" males would be better off sampling Sugar Market than commitment to women in their 30s I never said its "all" but its significant enough in that demographic that this is the best option. Furthermore, even if the female magically became attracted to the beta when she got older, what benefit does he get from an LTR with her?	/r/PurplePillDebate	14/12/20 03:44 PM
5	CMV: 30+ year old "successful beta" males would be better off sampling Sugar Market than commitment to women in their 30s Yeah because those women who were ran through by Chads in their 20s are looking for good "company" with a "beta" in his 30s that is financially secure. Take the financial security away and see how long they stay for the "company".	/r/PurplePillDebate	14/12/20 03:25 PM
1	CMV: 30+ year old "successful beta" males would be better off sampling Sugar Market than commitment to women in their 30s Yeah because he wouldn't be paying her alimony/child support/half of assets in that situation and she would've been far younger when having his child	/r/PurplePillDebate	14/12/20 03:23 PM
1	CMV: 30+ year old "successful beta" males would be better off sampling Sugar Market than commitment to women in their 30s The "ideal" is for a the man in his 30s to date female in 20s and have children with her. 10+ age difference would be ideal. However, surrogate/SB option is for "betas" that are unable to achieve that. Having children with post wall women is NOT a good option regardless.	/r/PurplePillDebate	14/12/20 03:22 PM
0	CMV: 30+ year old "successful beta" males would be better off sampling Sugar Market than commitment to women in their 30s Its a worse deal if she got ran through. At least the virgin isn't "settling" for a guy because all the Chads she banged wouldnt commit.	/r/PurplePillDebate	14/12/20 03:21 PM
1	CMV: 30+ year old "successful beta" males would be better off sampling Sugar Market than commitment to women in their 30s Possibly then he would be a "single dad" not worse than a "single mom"	/r/PurplePillDebate	14/12/20 03:21 PM
1	CMV: 30+ year old "successful beta" males would be better off sampling Sugar Market than commitment to women in their 30s I am not "assuming" this is all women. I am specifically speaking about late 20s to 30s women who had a specific "type" of "boyfriend/fuck buddy" throughout their 20s. This type of female is probably the norm in US culture at this time though since marriage rates have collapsed and marriage is happening at older ages.	/r/PurplePillDebate	14/12/20 03:20 PM
1	CMV: 30+ year old "successful beta" males would be better off sampling Sugar Market than commitment to women in their 30s I think men who are UMC should be the most likely to employ this tactic if they are "beta" and marrying a 29+ year old woman. I can't explain why if they aren't. All I know is the marriage rates are collapsing in all demographics, so I figure some of the "simps" are catching on.	/r/PurplePillDebate	14/12/20 03:17 PM
1	CMV: 30+ year old "successful beta" males would be better off sampling Sugar Market than commitment to women in their 30s Yes I would like them to explain the value of this type of relationship compared to SBs. SBs appear far better with lower cost.	/r/PurplePillDebate	14/12/20 02:55 PM
7	CMV: 30+ year old "successful beta" males would be better off sampling Sugar Market than commitment to women in their 30s What benefit does the male get in such a relationship? He is just a financial mule for a female who isn't really sexually attracted to him after banging a ton of Chads.	/r/PurplePillDebate	14/12/20 02:47 PM
2	Both genders are at fault for being "Used" : "Pump and Dump" female and "Strung Along Beta" make are both at fault This discussion is related to average late 20s to early 30s+ women as marriage options for the typical 30+ year old "successful beta". This doesnt apply to other relationships. If female is in early 20s and dating/relationship with man in early 20s, its totally different discussion. Male in his 30s dating female in 20s is difficult discussion too.	/r/PurplePillDebate	14/12/20 02:47 PM
1	CMV: 30+ year old "successful beta" males would be better off sampling Sugar Market than commitment to women in their 30s Ideally, he would find a female 10+ years younger for a relationship with. Outside of that, surrogate where he is a single dad or SB that is willing to do it is best option if he wants to propagate.	/r/PurplePillDebate	14/12/20 02:45 PM
1	CMV: 30+ year old "successful beta" males would be better off sampling Sugar Market than commitment to women in their 30s SBs are pretty much equivalent in price and better looking mostly unless you buy super cheap hotel prostitutes that are high risk for police/pimps. Surrogate is another option if SBs aren't willing. The best option is if he can find a female 10+ years younger that is willing to have his kids but this might not be feasible for random successful beta if he is too beta.	/r/PurplePillDebate	14/12/20 02:45 PM
3	CMV: 30+ year old "successful beta" males would be better off sampling Sugar Market than commitment to women in their 30s Best options are: 1) Surrogate and hires nanny with sugar babies for sexual gratification 2) Female 10+ years younger that is traditional There is no good option with 30+ year old post wall women that rode the CC	/r/PurplePillDebate	14/12/20 02:26 PM
2	Both genders are at fault for being "Used" : "Pump and Dump" female and "Strung Along Beta" make are both at fault The feminists brought it to this level for the beta males. This is just about empowering beta males in a feminist dating market	/r/PurplePillDebate	14/12/20 02:25 PM
1	CMV: 30+ year old "successful beta" males would be better off sampling Sugar Market than commitment to women in their 30s This is another good option.	/r/PurplePillDebate	14/12/20 02:24 PM
1	CMV: 30+ year old "successful beta" males would be better off sampling Sugar Market than commitment to women in their 30s I agree if he can secure a female in her 20s while in his 30s, its a better option. This is a post for betas who cant secure women in their 20s while in their 30s.	/r/PurplePillDebate	14/12/20 02:23 PM
1	CMV: 30+ year old "successful beta" males would be better off sampling Sugar Market than commitment to women in their 30s This is the natural response to the dating market that feminists created. Currently, the female imperative is served at the expense of the beta male. This change empowers the beta male to serve his own sexual imperative like feminists ruthlessly did.	/r/PurplePillDebate	14/12/20 02:22 PM
3	CMV: 30+ year old "successful beta" males would be better off sampling Sugar Market than commitment to women in their 30s "Social obligations" were changed by feminists in the 1960s for the female imperative rather than family formation. Men need to just follow their imperative in a free for all sexual market that women created. This would be best bet for betas under feminist conditions.	/r/PurplePillDebate	14/12/20 02:21 PM
0	CMV: 30+ year old "successful beta" males would be better off sampling Sugar Market than commitment to women in their 30s Even 400 isnt that much if its 4 times/month at 1600 Man could switch them out too when he gets bored.	/r/PurplePillDebate	14/12/20 02:19 PM
1	CMV: 30+ year old "successful beta" males would be better off sampling Sugar Market than commitment to women in their 30s 100% correct post	/r/PurplePillDebate	14/12/20 02:18 PM
10	CMV: 30+ year old "successful beta" males would be better off sampling Sugar Market than commitment to women in their 30s A post wall woman who settles with a "beta" after she got banged out by "Chads" isn't much of a relationship either besides financial. So at least SBs are younger and hotter plus cheaper than half assets/income in divorce.	/r/PurplePillDebate	14/12/20 02:14 PM
3	CMV: 30+ year old "successful beta" males would be better off sampling Sugar Market than commitment to women in their 30s Great post that succinctly explains this phenomena.	/r/PurplePillDebate	14/12/20 02:12 PM
5	CMV: 30+ year old "successful beta" males would be better off sampling Sugar Market than commitment to women in their 30s Feminist shaming language doesn't change reality.	/r/PurplePillDebate	14/12/20 02:10 PM
0	CMV: 30+ year old "successful beta" males would be better off sampling Sugar Market than commitment to women in their 30s She has a "connection" in the sense she likely tried to lock down dudes to get commitment using her pussy. The problem is the "Chads" she is banging had 10+ other options and only used her for pump and dump. During her peak 20s, she is more interested in riding the Chad harem in the small chance of getting him to "commit" rather then working with her looks/status equivalent male. She only comes to looks equivalent male by 30+ after her SMP has collapsed and isn't able to be on the harem anymore …	/r/PurplePillDebate	14/12/20 02:09 PM
3	CMV: 30+ year old "successful beta" males would be better off sampling Sugar Market than commitment to women in their 30s The "wall" isnt women not being able to get sex. The "wall" is when women can't get commitment or attention from "Chads" anymore. The "wall" is when she has to "settle" for the "beta" since her SMP has failed. Also, the argument is women of same socioeconomic class/looks dont want the equivalent male until they hit 30+ and casually sleep with men far above their station.	/r/PurplePillDebate	14/12/20 01:55 PM
7	CMV: 30+ year old "successful beta" males would be better off sampling Sugar Market than commitment to women in their 30s There is no "real love and affection" from a woman who slept with mostly Chads in her 20s to "settle" with a guy in her late 20s to 30s based on financial reasons and losing SMP value. The beta is clearly being used for financial reasons. What benefit does the "simp" get marrying a female that is 30+ after sleeping with many men and on the hook for half his assets/income?	/r/PurplePillDebate	14/12/20 11:43 AM
3	Both genders are at fault for being "Used" : "Pump and Dump" female and "Strung Along Beta" make are both at fault He is out of her league in terms of looks and status.	/r/PurplePillDebate	14/12/20 11:42 AM
1	How much truth is there to this statement? Yeah the "simps" are starting to form their own harems in their 30s from these postwall women who slept around with "Chads" in their 20s that are looking to "settle down". This is a very smart and logic move on their part. Why commit to these women? Also, they should utilize the "sugar baby" market if they have acquired currency.	/r/PurplePillDebate	14/12/20 11:29 AM
1	Both genders are at fault for being "Used" : "Pump and Dump" female and "Strung Along Beta" make are both at fault Yeah then there is no issue	/r/PurplePillDebate	13/12/20 05:10 PM
6	Both genders are at fault for being "Used" : "Pump and Dump" female and "Strung Along Beta" make are both at fault A female who isn't a whore that sleeps with a man so quickly and doesn't shoot outside of her league doesn't have these issues. Not that complicated.	/r/PurplePillDebate	13/12/20 04:56 PM
3	Both genders are at fault for being "Used" : "Pump and Dump" female and "Strung Along Beta" make are both at fault My argument is that the "victims" are no better than the perpetrators.	/r/PurplePillDebate	13/12/20 04:53 PM
2	Both genders are at fault for being "Used" : "Pump and Dump" female and "Strung Along Beta" make are both at fault The women who get "pumped and dumped" deserve it mostly	/r/PurplePillDebate	13/12/20 04:52 PM
7	Both genders are at fault for being "Used" : "Pump and Dump" female and "Strung Along Beta" make are both at fault Yes but they largely do this due to them attempting to shoot outside of their "league" and attempt to compensate this through sex for women or resources/emotional support for men.	/r/PurplePillDebate	13/12/20 03:56 PM
3	Why not be a sex worker in this day and age? Thats whats happening in the sugar dating world	/r/PurplePillDebate	13/12/20 03:26 PM
1	Why not be a sex worker in this day and age? They are already called "sugar babies"	/r/PurplePillDebate	13/12/20 02:42 PM
4	Why not be a sex worker in this day and age? I dont see why modern feminists who make poor mothers or relationship material in general wouldn't see this as a viable option outside of "shame". Whats the difference between a hooker and "empowered feminist" who gets pumped and dumped by "Chads" during their 20s?	/r/PurplePillDebate	13/12/20 02:40 PM
11	Why not be a sex worker in this day and age? Dont see this being an issue for many modern women since they really arent relationship or mother material. What would be wrong with this for most feminists?	/r/PurplePillDebate	13/12/20 02:38 PM
12	Both genders are at fault for being "Used" : "Pump and Dump" female and "Strung Along Beta" make are both at fault There are endless complaints from females feeling "used" by men. I am speaking about why women who feel "used" were mostly at fault for being "used"	/r/PurplePillDebate	13/12/20 01:38 PM
2	Both genders are at fault for being "Used" : "Pump and Dump" female and "Strung Along Beta" make are both at fault Correct	/r/PurplePillDebate	13/12/20 01:37 PM
1	If it's "unethical" to not commit after implying you're interested in doing so, them it's "unethical" to not have sex after implying you're doing so. Which would be absurd. So both are ethical. If a guy keeps getting used for dinners, he needs to figure out cheaper venues to take a female to.	/r/PurplePillDebate	13/12/20 01:37 PM
1	If it's "unethical" to not commit after implying you're interested in doing so, them it's "unethical" to not have sex after implying you're doing so. Which would be absurd. So both are ethical. She is at fault for mostly trying to offer sex to "lockdown" a man out of her league in most cases. At best, she has sex way too quickly with men.	/r/PurplePillDebate	13/12/20 01:31 PM
1	Both genders are at fault for being "Used" : "Pump and Dump" female and "Strung Along Beta" make are both at fault umm ok	/r/PurplePillDebate	13/12/20 01:24 PM
6	Both genders are at fault for being "Used" : "Pump and Dump" female and "Strung Along Beta" make are both at fault Yet I notice in this culture there is a constant whining in the general culture about "bad men using women for sex". Or the inverse is the incel dudes whining about being beta bucks.	/r/PurplePillDebate	13/12/20 01:24 PM
1	Both genders are at fault for being "Used" : "Pump and Dump" female and "Strung Along Beta" make are both at fault What	/r/PurplePillDebate	13/12/20 01:19 PM
2	Both genders are at fault for being "Used" : "Pump and Dump" female and "Strung Along Beta" make are both at fault Both parties are trying to gain something outside of their "league" mostly. They attempt to give resources/money or sex to get relationships with people who wouldn't normally do it with them. They are being "used" only because they are attempting to get a "bette deal" then they normally could get without allowing themselves to be "used".	/r/PurplePillDebate	13/12/20 01:18 PM
1	If it's "unethical" to not commit after implying you're interested in doing so, them it's "unethical" to not have sex after implying you're doing so. Which would be absurd. So both are ethical. I dont really see why you need to get married if you have kids. You can "cohabitate" in a state without common law marriage and easily take care of the kids as well as being married.	/r/PurplePillDebate	13/12/20 01:05 PM
1	If it's "unethical" to not commit after implying you're interested in doing so, them it's "unethical" to not have sex after implying you're doing so. Which would be absurd. So both are ethical. Men should never marry under the current Western system unless the female is significantly richer/higher income.	/r/PurplePillDebate	13/12/20 12:51 PM
1	If it's "unethical" to not commit after implying you're interested in doing so, them it's "unethical" to not have sex after implying you're doing so. Which would be absurd. So both are ethical. I agree just like its the female's fault for getting pumped and dumped without a relationship	/r/PurplePillDebate	13/12/20 12:46 PM
1	If it's "unethical" to not commit after implying you're interested in doing so, them it's "unethical" to not have sex after implying you're doing so. Which would be absurd. So both are ethical. Basically woman wearing skimpy clothing, flirty, etc for a male that does favors/gives money to the man that is clearly attracted to her. She does it specifically to get stuff out of the man and then turns around where she says in disgust "I dont owe you sex" after using the man for finances/benefits/etc	/r/PurplePillDebate	13/12/20 12:10 PM
3	If it's "unethical" to not commit after implying you're interested in doing so, them it's "unethical" to not have sex after implying you're doing so. Which would be absurd. So both are ethical. That is correct. An honest "good" girl wouldn't do either	/r/PurplePillDebate	13/12/20 12:07 PM
2	If it's "unethical" to not commit after implying you're interested in doing so, them it's "unethical" to not have sex after implying you're doing so. Which would be absurd. So both are ethical. If women are concerned with STDs, they shouldn't have sex with partners until they get multiple testings and avoid sex for an extended period of time. It is her fault for having sex so quickly.	/r/PurplePillDebate	13/12/20 12:05 PM
0	If it's "unethical" to not commit after implying you're interested in doing so, them it's "unethical" to not have sex after implying you're doing so. Which would be absurd. So both are ethical. No different than females who lead men on the illusion of sex to only get the benefits they want.	/r/PurplePillDebate	13/12/20 11:50 AM
2	If it's "unethical" to not commit after implying you're interested in doing so, them it's "unethical" to not have sex after implying you're doing so. Which would be absurd. So both are ethical. Women have caused "hook up" culture by having sex often throughout their late teens and early to mid 20s. Women would need to become more "traditional" to avoid that but they are strongly opposed to that due to "feminism" So they will continue to get hookup culture.	/r/PurplePillDebate	13/12/20 11:43 AM
3	If it's "unethical" to not commit after implying you're interested in doing so, them it's "unethical" to not have sex after implying you're doing so. Which would be absurd. So both are ethical. She can just avoid having sex with the man for many months to "vet" him properly then. Thats her problem.	/r/PurplePillDebate	13/12/20 11:41 AM
5	Young women are less likely to intend to use a condom with a more facially attractive male partner, and over 50% of non-virgin women report having intentionally employed a tactic (excluding other preventative birth control methods) to prevent/inhibit effective condom usage Damn son you're an alpha chad	/r/PurplePillDebate	09/12/20 11:49 PM
4	Are people this days less "datable"? Or these women remain obstinate into their late 30s and older without any standards. Many will get pump and dumped in their 20s by men far outside of their league and will eventually become spinsters when they get older and bitter.	/r/PurplePillDebate	06/12/20 05:29 PM
1	Do you consider that the "equal but different" label applies to men and women in the context of traditional relationships as described by Alena Kate Pettitt? You have breakdown of the poorest vs 500K in terms of TFR? I don't see that stat	/r/PurplePillDebate	05/12/20 02:29 PM
1	Do you consider that the "equal but different" label applies to men and women in the context of traditional relationships as described by Alena Kate Pettitt? The stat is only for 2011-2015. It shows a marginal increase for 500k+ compared to less than 500K for 3 or more children. However, it doesn't break it down by deciles of income. Ergo, it is very possible the "welfare" queen class has the highest amount of kids, with the "middle class" having the least and "wealthy" having more than middle class but less than "welfare" class. This is how it broke down by education levels. Furthermore, the TFR for everyone outside of "high school dropout" was belo…	/r/PurplePillDebate	05/12/20 01:36 PM
1	Do you consider that the "equal but different" label applies to men and women in the context of traditional relationships as described by Alena Kate Pettitt? I found another link that somewhat explains the article but doesn't break it down with much vigor by %. "Less than 28% of 40- to 45-year-old women in a household in any income bracket below $500,000 per year have three or more children, according to data from the 2011-2015 US Census, while 31.3% of families earning more than $500,000 do." This isn't a complete statistic since the other link confirmed the lowest educated had the MOST kids, then the middle educated had the least with the MOST educ…	/r/PurplePillDebate	05/12/20 01:33 PM
1	Do you consider that the "equal but different" label applies to men and women in the context of traditional relationships as described by Alena Kate Pettitt? That link is subscription based and can't be accessed. Only one that could be accessed was education link.	/r/PurplePillDebate	05/12/20 01:30 PM
1	Do you consider that the "equal but different" label applies to men and women in the context of traditional relationships as described by Alena Kate Pettitt? You're arguing India is matriarchal?	/r/PurplePillDebate	05/12/20 01:28 PM
1	Do you consider that the "equal but different" label applies to men and women in the context of traditional relationships as described by Alena Kate Pettitt? The graph clearly shows the "high school dropout" has 2.24 TFR compared to 1.98 TFR for "advanced degree" holder. Its only the "some college" category that is the lowest in the middle category for fertility. \|\|\|\| \|:-\|:-\|:-\| \|\|\|\|	/r/PurplePillDebate	05/12/20 01:10 PM
1	Do you consider that the "equal but different" label applies to men and women in the context of traditional relationships as described by Alena Kate Pettitt? The number shows the highest fertility is in the high school dropout at 2.24 TFR compared to 1.98 for "advanced degree" holder TFR. So the poorest has the most kids.	/r/PurplePillDebate	05/12/20 01:08 PM
1	Do you consider that the "equal but different" label applies to men and women in the context of traditional relationships as described by Alena Kate Pettitt? Which "cultures" are these? This certainly isn't Islamic nor Latino culture.	/r/PurplePillDebate	05/12/20 12:18 PM
7	Why do some beautiful women become sex workers instead of marrying a rich provider? Yes you dont have to but most white women demand at least that level of lifestyle to be a SAHM	/r/PurplePillDebate	28/11/20 08:38 PM
4	Why do some beautiful women become sex workers instead of marrying a rich provider? https://smartasset.com/retirement/the-average-salary-by-age Its lower than that for men in 30s and 40s for men making over 100K	/r/PurplePillDebate	28/11/20 04:47 PM
19	Why do some beautiful women become sex workers instead of marrying a rich provider? I agree that it isnt easy to be a fully SAHM these days. Only about 5% of men in their 30s make even 6 figures. https://smartasset.com/retirement/the-average-salary-by-age	/r/PurplePillDebate	28/11/20 04:46 PM
1	We should view men who pump and dump and women who finesse men for money the same way Money isnt just money lol Very often it is very hard to obtain money and the man has to do physically damaging stuff to obtain it. How is that him being abused?	/r/PurplePillDebate	13/10/20 04:21 PM
2	Do you believe that the female sex drive is as high as the male sex drive on average? Dont know about the goat or other man thing but rest is accurate lol	/r/PurplePillDebate	13/10/20 01:51 PM
2	Do you believe that the female sex drive is as high as the male sex drive on average? So you're arguing you can have sex with people under your employ in inferior positions without repercussions? It would be different if he was banging some random woman that wasn't involved with him on a professional level and subservient to him.	/r/PurplePillDebate	13/10/20 01:39 PM
1	Modern women want a man with liberal values who acts conservative - who doesnt actually exist. True Mexicans do it to flood USA with more Mexicans and welfare not due to liberal ideas like LGBT	/r/PurplePillDebate	03/10/20 05:49 PM
4	Modern women want a man with liberal values who acts conservative - who doesnt actually exist. Yes it is Conservatives are proven to be highT while liberal men are mostly soy boys	/r/PurplePillDebate	03/10/20 05:42 PM
5	Modern women want a man with liberal values who acts conservative - who doesnt actually exist. everyone is superman online brah	/r/PurplePillDebate	03/10/20 05:41 PM
0	Modern women want a man with liberal values who acts conservative - who doesnt actually exist. Alpha males are conservative	/r/PurplePillDebate	03/10/20 05:40 PM
1	CMV: Marriage to an "educated" female with 6 figure salary is mostly useless for successful males Id would argue that the majority of female physicians are obese	/r/PurplePillDebate	27/09/20 01:33 PM
1	CMV: Marriage to an "educated" female with 6 figure salary is mostly useless for successful males FDS are 3rd wave feminists Basically their argument is they are "queens" who deserve high value men for nothing. That is straight Feminism 101	/r/PurplePillDebate	27/09/20 01:33 PM
1	CMV: Marriage to an "educated" female with 6 figure salary is mostly useless for successful males Thats why I put the caveat for people with 6 figure income plus	/r/PurplePillDebate	27/09/20 01:32 PM
1	CMV: Marriage to an "educated" female with 6 figure salary is mostly useless for successful males Baby oven > Modern Feminist in terms of value for men	/r/PurplePillDebate	27/09/20 01:31 PM
0	CMV: Marriage to an "educated" female with 6 figure salary is mostly useless for successful males umm ok	/r/PurplePillDebate	27/09/20 01:29 PM
1	CMV: Marriage to an "educated" female with 6 figure salary is mostly useless for successful males True	/r/PurplePillDebate	27/09/20 01:28 PM
0	CMV: Marriage to an "educated" female with 6 figure salary is mostly useless for successful males Men with >6 figures can select for younger/thinner women though, so prevalence of obesity among poor isn't an issue. Besides arguing that men should overlook these things due to everyone being "unique", I see no valid arguments	/r/PurplePillDebate	27/09/20 01:28 PM
1	CMV: Marriage to an "educated" female with 6 figure salary is mostly useless for successful males yeah I dont think marriage is worth it I agree	/r/PurplePillDebate	27/09/20 01:27 PM
1	CMV: Marriage to an "educated" female with 6 figure salary is mostly useless for successful males 1) Younger and less stressed are usually in better physical condition. That is just reality. 2) If men don't want kids or few kids, then maybe this isn't as much of an issue for them	/r/PurplePillDebate	27/09/20 01:26 PM
1	CMV: Marriage to an "educated" female with 6 figure salary is mostly useless for successful males Funny how "equitable" split is mostly the man giving to the woman Feminism 101	/r/PurplePillDebate	27/09/20 01:26 PM
1	CMV: Marriage to an "educated" female with 6 figure salary is mostly useless for successful males So no argument against anything I wrote except "not everyone is like that"? No true scotmans lol	/r/PurplePillDebate	27/09/20 01:25 PM
1	CMV: Marriage to an "educated" female with 6 figure salary is mostly useless for successful males Feminist "scholars" never advocate differently either	/r/PurplePillDebate	27/09/20 01:25 PM
1	CMV: Marriage to an "educated" female with 6 figure salary is mostly useless for successful males So basically men should only expect "good conversation" but nothing substantial to marry Doesn't sound like a very good bet for men to marry	/r/PurplePillDebate	27/09/20 01:24 PM
-1	CMV: Marriage to an "educated" female with 6 figure salary is mostly useless for successful males There are plenty of our of shape physician females You clearly arent in medicine	/r/PurplePillDebate	27/09/20 01:23 PM
1	CMV: Marriage to an "educated" female with 6 figure salary is mostly useless for successful males LOL i couldn't care less	/r/PurplePillDebate	27/09/20 12:51 PM
2	CMV: Marriage to an "educated" female with 6 figure salary is mostly useless for successful males 1) Women are rarely ok with a man taking extended time off from work without financial contribution (particularly successful women) 2) Women rarely stay with men if they lose a job for extended periods of time. 3) Successful women are usually even more hypergamous and thus more "gold digging" Minuses retort: 1) Things can be discussed but women's attitudes often change. They are "egalitarian" in discussion ahead of marriage but often change (especially after having 1 kid) 2) I agree 3) Discussin…	/r/PurplePillDebate	27/09/20 12:45 PM
2	CMV: Marriage to an "educated" female with 6 figure salary is mostly useless for successful males 1) They are older at a minimum if they get a graduate degree (necessary for 6 figures these days for many jobs). Most are under stress as well to achieve this so by extension being older/stressed people are mostly in worse shape than younger less stressed. 2) Yes so basically you have to accept a female who will have less children as part of the "deal" in most cases, which is another negative for men. Often when they have their one kid in mid 30s, they got to part time work despite having alot o…	/r/PurplePillDebate	27/09/20 12:41 PM
6	CMV: Marriage to an "educated" female with 6 figure salary is mostly useless for successful males In the lower classes, women stay single and use govt resources mostly.	/r/PurplePillDebate	27/09/20 12:38 PM
2	CMV: Marriage to an "educated" female with 6 figure salary is mostly useless for successful males Show me any feminist websites that say women should only marry men who make equal or less than themselves and split bills 50/50. Doesn't seem particularly a high priority for feminists	/r/PurplePillDebate	27/09/20 12:33 PM
1	Men should care about Women's Salary and Finances I can agree with that last part That is the only situation where a man conceivably should get married	/r/PurplePillDebate	27/09/20 12:23 PM
1	CMV: Marriage to an "educated" female with 6 figure salary is mostly useless for successful males Most of the "higher paid" women will have plenty of student loans, so their savings is negligible by the time they go to part time. Furthermore, its much more common to have feminist attitudes against cooking/cleaning/etc when "educated" LOL at you downvoting my posts too	/r/PurplePillDebate	27/09/20 12:20 PM
1	Men should care about Women's Salary and Finances I already said toddler is more difficult but that is a short stage of life. I have no issue if they do 50/50 and pay for childcare.	/r/PurplePillDebate	27/09/20 12:12 PM
0	CMV: Marriage to an "educated" female with 6 figure salary is mostly useless for successful males Its "useless" if they cut to part time or stop working once they lock down the male. Its actually worse than useless since the entitlement remains. Read the argument	/r/PurplePillDebate	27/09/20 12:11 PM
2	CMV: Marriage to an "educated" female with 6 figure salary is mostly useless for successful males Read FDS or any feminist blogging site about "high value men" and how they should support the female financially. In fact FDS and other similar feminist sites state that females should "know their worth" and demand "high value men" that support them financially. There is no discussion that she should contribute 50/50 to finances.	/r/PurplePillDebate	27/09/20 12:10 PM
1	Men should care about Women's Salary and Finances working is much more stressful then the others	/r/PurplePillDebate	27/09/20 12:05 PM
1	Men should care about Women's Salary and Finances Yeah I found that but BLS says its 28% according to same article. So the men still earn more in at least 2:1 ratio for marriages if these stats are to be believed. Might be that men are smartening up a little and not marrying women if they earn too little (can only be hopeful)	/r/PurplePillDebate	27/09/20 12:05 PM
1	Men should care about Women's Salary and Finances GOt a link to this stat?	/r/PurplePillDebate	27/09/20 11:57 AM
1	Men should care about Women's Salary and Finances There is no link to that stat. Its just an assertion.	/r/PurplePillDebate	27/09/20 11:56 AM
1	Men should care about Women's Salary and Finances You linked a post from someone with no link confirming their assertion. Also, their statement showed that >50% of marriages still had the man making majority of the money with only 24% of women being higher earning. I highly doubt women are even close to 24% in real life and never saw a study showing that.	/r/PurplePillDebate	27/09/20 11:56 AM
1	Men should care about Women's Salary and Finances umm ok?	/r/PurplePillDebate	27/09/20 11:55 AM
2	Men should care about Women's Salary and Finances Pretty useless unless a top musician (1/100000 chance)	/r/PurplePillDebate	27/09/20 11:54 AM
2	Men should care about Women's Salary and Finances Thats total BS that women aren't encouraged. They have all kinds of affirmative action courses for women to go into STEM. Women just are uncompetitive in mathematics are higher levels and are unable to form new companies. Teaching mostly special ed kindergarten is a joke compared to teaching Calculus for the gifted students. So most of the "teaching" that women do are low level subjects where they demand no standardized testing for themselves or students, etc. Nursing is the only harder career o…	/r/PurplePillDebate	27/09/20 11:53 AM
1	Men should care about Women's Salary and Finances I never saw stats anywhere that women make as much or more than men in the good majority of marriages Got any links?	/r/PurplePillDebate	27/09/20 11:41 AM
1	Men should care about Women's Salary and Finances yeah except in real life this is rare that a female provides equal financial benefit to the marriage	/r/PurplePillDebate	27/09/20 11:38 AM
1	Men should care about Women's Salary and Finances This is only true potentially for a "toddler". Once the kids hit kindergarten, the man easily works far more than the female. Furthermore, most studies show men work more total hours than females. Also its paid not "payed"	/r/PurplePillDebate	27/09/20 11:33 AM
1	Men should care about Women's Salary and Finances The modern female won't cook/clean/emotionally support the male What value is there?	/r/PurplePillDebate	27/09/20 11:31 AM
3	Men should care about Women's Salary and Finances Correction: women go into easy careers with easy liberal arts degrees where they want to be paid the same as a STEM major. So the women basically mostly earn less than the men in most marriages. Got it.	/r/PurplePillDebate	27/09/20 11:30 AM
1	Men should care about Women's Salary and Finances Pretty much useless to any man and less than useless if you have a good amount of student debt.	/r/PurplePillDebate	27/09/20 11:28 AM
2	Men should care about Women's Salary and Finances She should have a job that has equal salary and split all costs 50/50 Not just "have any job"	/r/PurplePillDebate	27/09/20 11:28 AM
2	Men should care about Women's Salary and Finances Why should he support her financially? If she wants an ATM, go get a sugar daddy.	/r/PurplePillDebate	27/09/20 11:25 AM
6	Men should care about Women's Salary and Finances They are two income with the man making the vast bulk of the income Ergo, he is basically sharing his surplus income with the female in most cases.	/r/PurplePillDebate	27/09/20 10:04 AM
3	Men should care about Women's Salary and Finances Correct. Rotating sugar babies >>>> Marrying older woman	/r/PurplePillDebate	27/09/20 10:00 AM
2	Men should care about Women's Salary and Finances Yes they should just rotate Sugar Babies at a much cheaper rate than marriage for good majority of successful men.	/r/PurplePillDebate	27/09/20 09:58 AM
1	Men should care about Women's Salary and Finances Define "equal"?	/r/PurplePillDebate	27/09/20 09:51 AM
2	Men should care about Women's Salary and Finances Correct. There is no value in marriage. Even feminine women can change due to the culture. The man is just placed at risk.	/r/PurplePillDebate	27/09/20 09:50 AM
2	Men should care about Women's Salary and Finances So wouldn't a man be far better served dealing with a female >10 years younger that is only a HS grad without student loans? Why should he burden himself with a feminist type "educated" female who will just stop working on his dime while doing none of the traditional female roles, slept around during her 20s, etc?	/r/PurplePillDebate	27/09/20 09:47 AM
1	Men should care about Women's Salary and Finances Plus nothing will stop them from stopping work or going part time after they have 1 kid or so. When women hit 35+, they rarely continue to work full time at a highly stressful job that makes >6 figures.	/r/PurplePillDebate	27/09/20 09:31 AM
6	Men should care about Women's Salary and Finances Its a very common view among women. Also, most women usually go part time or stop working when they man makes >6 figures even when the female is "educated"	/r/PurplePillDebate	27/09/20 09:27 AM
1	Men should care about Women's Salary and Finances Actually its far cheaper to just "lease" pussy through Sugar Babies then get involved in a depreciating feminist "educated" female that doesn't bring in income and only has demands/student loans. Marriage is useless for a successful male to be honest.	/r/PurplePillDebate	27/09/20 09:26 AM
4	Men should care about Women's Salary and Finances Yes but then its largely useless for the man. In fact, its usually a negative because the "education" makes the female far more demanding and "uppity" in terms of her "worth" coupled often with student loan debt. Essentially, the man gets an angry feminist who doesn't want do any of the convention cooking/cleaning/deference to the husband who has student loans and demands the man pays all the bills. How isnt this a far worse deal than an "uneducated" female with just a HS degree?	/r/PurplePillDebate	27/09/20 09:25 AM
2	Men should care about Women's Salary and Finances I think modern "education" in liberal arts fields are so useless with feminist/cultural marxist indoctrination that it would be better to find a HS only grad than a female with a grad degree in a "liberal arts" field. They mostly become angry jaded feminists with debt and demands with no benefits conferred to the man.	/r/PurplePillDebate	27/09/20 09:23 AM
13	Men should care about Women's Salary and Finances many women go into part time work or stop working once they have locked down a man who makes 6+ figures	/r/PurplePillDebate	26/09/20 10:05 PM
3	Men should care about Women's Salary and Finances they would need to divorce immediately if that happened	/r/PurplePillDebate	26/09/20 10:04 PM
7	Men should care about Women's Salary and Finances I would argue that even women with careers that have the POTENTIAL to make as much income as their husband (or more) are bad bets. They often cut to part time if they are able to marry a husband that makes 6 figures plus. I would argue marriage has no value to men at all in general unless the female is coming in with far more assets than the man and is "sharing" them in a joint account to compensate for income risk for the male.	/r/PurplePillDebate	26/09/20 09:11 PM
1	CMV: "Provider" males should employ sugar dating strategy by 30s rather than marry women in 30+ range that rode CC Dunno she must be a really good actress then and having kids with the mailman behind my back lol	/r/PurplePillDebate	21/09/20 05:16 PM
2	CMV: "Provider" males should employ sugar dating strategy by 30s rather than marry women in 30+ range that rode CC Its my experience but im not speaking about it, hence the proposition I made in this discussion for men who couldn't get a younger woman to have children with as easily as I got.	/r/PurplePillDebate	20/09/20 07:44 PM
2	CMV: "Provider" males should employ sugar dating strategy by 30s rather than marry women in 30+ range that rode CC What career benefits?	/r/PurplePillDebate	20/09/20 07:43 PM
2	CMV: "Provider" males should employ sugar dating strategy by 30s rather than marry women in 30+ range that rode CC Im doing just fine and we have plenty in common with 3 kids already	/r/PurplePillDebate	20/09/20 07:14 PM
2	CMV: "Provider" males should employ sugar dating strategy by 30s rather than marry women in 30+ range that rode CC Who cares about relating to male zoomers lol Im having no issues getting younger females	/r/PurplePillDebate	20/09/20 07:13 PM
2	CMV: "Provider" males should employ sugar dating strategy by 30s rather than marry women in 30+ range that rode CC A younger female with low N count is better	/r/PurplePillDebate	20/09/20 05:09 PM
3	CMV: "Provider" males should employ sugar dating strategy by 30s rather than marry women in 30+ range that rode CC Yeah I mean if the 22 is morbidly obese feminist and 35 year old is a super slender hot model, then the 35 year old could be better. However, im speaking about averages not exceptions.	/r/PurplePillDebate	20/09/20 05:08 PM
3	CMV: "Provider" males should employ sugar dating strategy by 30s rather than marry women in 30+ range that rode CC lol the "commonality" argument Feminism 101	/r/PurplePillDebate	20/09/20 05:08 PM
1	CMV: "Provider" males should employ sugar dating strategy by 30s rather than marry women in 30+ range that rode CC That statistic only gives one year instead of averaging over 5-10 year intervals. One year variance can account for any change in divorce rates by random chance. It shows marriage rates are down and divorce rates are down. It looks like divorce rates went down slightly faster than marriage rates for 2018 but that is only one year and it still is showing about a 45% divorce rate compared to 50%	/r/PurplePillDebate	20/09/20 05:06 PM
3	CMV: "Provider" males should employ sugar dating strategy by 30s rather than marry women in 30+ range that rode CC They are my kids. My situation isn't relevant since I have achieved significant amount of progeny with a younger female (might have more). This discussion is about men who haven't been able to do that and are offered 30+ year old CC riders as their choices only.	/r/PurplePillDebate	20/09/20 05:02 PM
4	CMV: "Provider" males should employ sugar dating strategy by 30s rather than marry women in 30+ range that rode CC That argument is weak since its a "give and take" situation. The male is providing resources/money/income and the female is providing youth/fertility. If the female is coming to bargain at 30+ when it has declined, she can't expect to have the same currency as her 18-25 year old self.	/r/PurplePillDebate	20/09/20 04:59 PM
3	How is dating/relationship dynamics going to change as Gen Z moves into their early 20s and is at the forefront of popular culture? Yeah plenty of trust fund liberals rioting too	/r/PurplePillDebate	20/09/20 01:14 PM
2	How is dating/relationship dynamics going to change as Gen Z moves into their early 20s and is at the forefront of popular culture? Yes but leftist billionaires caused this like Bill Gates, etc by outsourcing everything. How would the left fix it?	/r/PurplePillDebate	20/09/20 01:14 PM
4	Women have a hard time in relationships, the only way to save them is to objectify them Yes male pedestalization of women is a MAJOR problem. Just dont see how objectifying them changes that	/r/PurplePillDebate	20/09/20 01:08 PM
2	CMV: "Provider" males should employ sugar dating strategy by 30s rather than marry women in 30+ range that rode CC Why not?	/r/PurplePillDebate	20/09/20 01:01 PM
1	CMV: "Provider" males should employ sugar dating strategy by 30s rather than marry women in 30+ range that rode CC True	/r/PurplePillDebate	20/09/20 12:59 PM
1	CMV: "Provider" males should employ sugar dating strategy by 30s rather than marry women in 30+ range that rode CC I already said marriage is useless for men in general	/r/PurplePillDebate	20/09/20 12:59 PM
1	CMV: "Provider" males should employ sugar dating strategy by 30s rather than marry women in 30+ range that rode CC What do you do for work?	/r/PurplePillDebate	20/09/20 12:59 PM
1	CMV: "Provider" males should employ sugar dating strategy by 30s rather than marry women in 30+ range that rode CC Women still require resources and demand husbands are richer in most cases	/r/PurplePillDebate	20/09/20 12:58 PM
1	CMV: "Provider" males should employ sugar dating strategy by 30s rather than marry women in 30+ range that rode CC Natural Chads with alot of money bang a ton of women in 20s and part of 30s. Then in late 30s or so, they get a woman in 20s to have children with mostly. They get the best of all worlds but are rare in number.	/r/PurplePillDebate	19/09/20 06:49 PM
6	[REPOST] “It is dangerous to be in the provider role because of the high risks. As well as the reality that women treat their casual sexual partners better than they treat their long term relationship partners.” 100% correct	/r/PurplePillDebate	19/09/20 06:46 PM
6	[REPOST] “It is dangerous to be in the provider role because of the high risks. As well as the reality that women treat their casual sexual partners better than they treat their long term relationship partners.” Why should you marry then? Women provide no value outside of children for marriage	/r/PurplePillDebate	19/09/20 06:43 PM
5	CMV: "Provider" males should employ sugar dating strategy by 30s rather than marry women in 30+ range that rode CC LOL maybe get banged out but definitely want a "relationship" with a more established guy with money	/r/PurplePillDebate	19/09/20 06:06 PM
6	[REPOST] “It is dangerous to be in the provider role because of the high risks. As well as the reality that women treat their casual sexual partners better than they treat their long term relationship partners.” Truth Women treat beta male providers far worse than the men they banged in young 20s	/r/PurplePillDebate	19/09/20 05:05 PM
8	CMV: "Provider" males should employ sugar dating strategy by 30s rather than marry women in 30+ range that rode CC 1oo% truth	/r/PurplePillDebate	19/09/20 03:27 PM
7	CMV: "Provider" males should employ sugar dating strategy by 30s rather than marry women in 30+ range that rode CC lol	/r/PurplePillDebate	19/09/20 03:23 PM
14	CMV: "Provider" males should employ sugar dating strategy by 30s rather than marry women in 30+ range that rode CC If you read sugar dating forums, SDs are strongly opposed to platonic and SBs constantly complain they cant get platonic	/r/PurplePillDebate	19/09/20 03:23 PM
2	CMV: "Provider" males should employ sugar dating strategy by 30s rather than marry women in 30+ range that rode CC Thats inevitable and unfortunately most relationships with CC riders	/r/PurplePillDebate	19/09/20 03:22 PM
1	CMV: "Provider" males should employ sugar dating strategy by 30s rather than marry women in 30+ range that rode CC could be but that is true of all relationships with CC riders too	/r/PurplePillDebate	19/09/20 03:19 PM
1	CMV: "Provider" males should employ sugar dating strategy by 30s rather than marry women in 30+ range that rode CC There is alot of overlap with these relationships	/r/PurplePillDebate	19/09/20 03:06 PM
11	CMV: "Provider" males should employ sugar dating strategy by 30s rather than marry women in 30+ range that rode CC Except the vast majority do Platonic relationships are very rare	/r/PurplePillDebate	19/09/20 03:00 PM
2	CMV: "Provider" males should employ sugar dating strategy by 30s rather than marry women in 30+ range that rode CC The advice is all over the place on them. Some form relationships and others try to talk them out of it. Normal stuff for age gap dating	/r/PurplePillDebate	19/09/20 02:56 PM
3	CMV: "Provider" males should employ sugar dating strategy by 30s rather than marry women in 30+ range that rode CC lol can do both	/r/PurplePillDebate	19/09/20 02:55 PM
5	CMV: "Provider" males should employ sugar dating strategy by 30s rather than marry women in 30+ range that rode CC Same situation for CC riders in their 30s	/r/PurplePillDebate	19/09/20 02:52 PM
11	CMV: "Provider" males should employ sugar dating strategy by 30s rather than marry women in 30+ range that rode CC Yeah thats true. Women will have to force men to pay them for existing since men are smartening up on the marriage front.	/r/PurplePillDebate	19/09/20 02:51 PM
2	CMV: "Provider" males should employ sugar dating strategy by 30s rather than marry women in 30+ range that rode CC There's plenty of posts that discuss women getting "feelings"	/r/PurplePillDebate	19/09/20 02:50 PM
2	CMV: "Provider" males should employ sugar dating strategy by 30s rather than marry women in 30+ range that rode CC PPM= pay per meet	/r/PurplePillDebate	19/09/20 02:47 PM
11	CMV: "Provider" males should employ sugar dating strategy by 30s rather than marry women in 30+ range that rode CC The reason divorce is declining is marriage is declining. I think the % of marriages that last long term are still at all time lows	/r/PurplePillDebate	19/09/20 02:44 PM
7	CMV: "Provider" males should employ sugar dating strategy by 30s rather than marry women in 30+ range that rode CC The "divorce" rates arent declining as a % of marriages. Divorce is declining because marriage is declining in general	/r/PurplePillDebate	19/09/20 02:43 PM
3	CMV: "Provider" males should employ sugar dating strategy by 30s rather than marry women in 30+ range that rode CC You'd be surprised how that could change if wanted by the older man who takes care of hmself.	/r/PurplePillDebate	19/09/20 02:42 PM
2	CMV: "Provider" males should employ sugar dating strategy by 30s rather than marry women in 30+ range that rode CC 300-400PPM isnt that hard for man in 30s that is living bachelor lifestyle	/r/PurplePillDebate	19/09/20 02:39 PM
2	CMV: "Provider" males should employ sugar dating strategy by 30s rather than marry women in 30+ range that rode CC No, the article is saying that the mothers are usually wealthier and can live longer for women who traditionally had kids starting in 30s. The problem is that is an older stat since the vast majority of women in those days had kids in 20s and only wealthier women had kids in their 30s (usually higher paid professionals). This isn't true anymore	/r/PurplePillDebate	19/09/20 02:38 PM
5	CMV: "Provider" males should employ sugar dating strategy by 30s rather than marry women in 30+ range that rode CC Are you saying the average 30+ CC rider is hotter than 22 year olds?	/r/PurplePillDebate	19/09/20 02:37 PM
2	CMV: "Provider" males should employ sugar dating strategy by 30s rather than marry women in 30+ range that rode CC Ok I can accept that	/r/PurplePillDebate	19/09/20 02:36 PM
2	CMV: "Provider" males should employ sugar dating strategy by 30s rather than marry women in 30+ range that rode CC Yes redder is accurate	/r/PurplePillDebate	19/09/20 02:35 PM
4	CMV: "Provider" males should employ sugar dating strategy by 30s rather than marry women in 30+ range that rode CC Most have sex with them man or they are paid far less. Read sugar forum Many SBs complain they arent able to get any SDs as well. This is especially true for BBWs	/r/PurplePillDebate	19/09/20 02:31 PM
2	CMV: "Provider" males should employ sugar dating strategy by 30s rather than marry women in 30+ range that rode CC He has the ability to get sugar babies using his provider income	/r/PurplePillDebate	19/09/20 02:30 PM
6	CMV: "Provider" males should employ sugar dating strategy by 30s rather than marry women in 30+ range that rode CC Its pretty simple answer. Would you pay more for the older model? That is the choice.	/r/PurplePillDebate	19/09/20 02:29 PM
5	CMV: "Provider" males should employ sugar dating strategy by 30s rather than marry women in 30+ range that rode CC That article clearly shows having birth in 20s is easier for females with lower pregnancy related risks for mother/kid	/r/PurplePillDebate	19/09/20 02:29 PM
3	CMV: "Provider" males should employ sugar dating strategy by 30s rather than marry women in 30+ range that rode CC 40	/r/PurplePillDebate	19/09/20 02:27 PM
3	CMV: "Provider" males should employ sugar dating strategy by 30s rather than marry women in 30+ range that rode CC riding CC, taking birth control and age are big factors	/r/PurplePillDebate	19/09/20 02:27 PM
2	CMV: "Provider" males should employ sugar dating strategy by 30s rather than marry women in 30+ range that rode CC sugar babies dont have "multiple clients" usually consider the ratio of SB to SDs are 10:1	/r/PurplePillDebate	19/09/20 02:25 PM
3	CMV: "Provider" males should employ sugar dating strategy by 30s rather than marry women in 30+ range that rode CC it a "use it or lose" it difference as a female ages	/r/PurplePillDebate	19/09/20 02:22 PM
7	CMV: "Provider" males should employ sugar dating strategy by 30s rather than marry women in 30+ range that rode CC lol nice strawman	/r/PurplePillDebate	19/09/20 02:22 PM
2	CMV: "Provider" males should employ sugar dating strategy by 30s rather than marry women in 30+ range that rode CC What?	/r/PurplePillDebate	19/09/20 02:22 PM
3	CMV: "Provider" males should employ sugar dating strategy by 30s rather than marry women in 30+ range that rode CC I said first kid after 30s Read it again	/r/PurplePillDebate	19/09/20 02:21 PM
2	CMV: "Provider" males should employ sugar dating strategy by 30s rather than marry women in 30+ range that rode CC there is risk for women having first kids after 30+ on many fronts	/r/PurplePillDebate	19/09/20 02:21 PM
6	CMV: "Provider" males should employ sugar dating strategy by 30s rather than marry women in 30+ range that rode CC You'd be surprised how many of them would be down after they form a "relationship" with a guy in his 30s who takes care of himself and financially	/r/PurplePillDebate	19/09/20 02:17 PM
4	CMV: "Provider" males should employ sugar dating strategy by 30s rather than marry women in 30+ range that rode CC CC behavior is women banging men in their 20s and then changing their "interests" by late 20s to 30s into more "beta" type males	/r/PurplePillDebate	19/09/20 02:17 PM
8	CMV: "Provider" males should employ sugar dating strategy by 30s rather than marry women in 30+ range that rode CC Since the females are doing the CC riding in their 20s, the natural response is men in their 30s running the "pussy" ride through SBs. My argument is that if its happening due to women in their 20s already forcing the issue, men need to respond in kind rather than becoming a beta male provider after they get older.	/r/PurplePillDebate	19/09/20 02:16 PM
2	CMV: "Provider" males should employ sugar dating strategy by 30s rather than marry women in 30+ range that rode CC Women shouldnt be having kids over 30+ if they are just starting out. Women who had kids in their 20s should be fine in their 30s if its with one man	/r/PurplePillDebate	19/09/20 02:15 PM
3	CMV: "Provider" males should employ sugar dating strategy by 30s rather than marry women in 30+ range that rode CC Well jeff bezos got married before he is rich and is staying single Elon Musk seems to be doing same thing	/r/PurplePillDebate	19/09/20 02:10 PM
5	CMV: "Provider" males should employ sugar dating strategy by 30s rather than marry women in 30+ range that rode CC Children should be had with women in their 20s that didnt ride CC	/r/PurplePillDebate	19/09/20 02:07 PM
29	CMV: "Provider" males should employ sugar dating strategy by 30s rather than marry women in 30+ range that rode CC That is correct For "beta" males, all sex is transactional. That is why many of them cant get women until their late 20s when they start accumulating money/income.	/r/PurplePillDebate	19/09/20 02:06 PM
3	CMV: "Provider" males should employ sugar dating strategy by 30s rather than marry women in 30+ range that rode CC The get an account on SA and usually just offer 300-400 for a PPM Not that complicated SB to SD ratio is 10:1	/r/PurplePillDebate	19/09/20 02:05 PM
4	CMV: "Provider" males should employ sugar dating strategy by 30s rather than marry women in 30+ range that rode CC It could work for any male in his 30s making 6 figures period. Obviously, the more money he has, the more relevant this argument is unless he is a natural "Chad" that gets women easily without money.	/r/PurplePillDebate	19/09/20 02:04 PM
3	CMV: "Provider" males should employ sugar dating strategy by 30s rather than marry women in 30+ range that rode CC Of course I don't approve of it and that is the reason for my CMV	/r/PurplePillDebate	19/09/20 02:03 PM
7	CMV: "Provider" males should employ sugar dating strategy by 30s rather than marry women in 30+ range that rode CC Investing time/resources into a 30+ year old woman who rode the CC to have "children" is a poor investment He should be attempting to woo his sugar baby in his 22-25 age range to have kids for him if he is interested in having children.	/r/PurplePillDebate	19/09/20 02:03 PM
14	CMV: "Provider" males should employ sugar dating strategy by 30s rather than marry women in 30+ range that rode CC I think most women are hoping "provider" men want that. However, most "provider" men are put into that position due to social obligations (shaming) from mostly women/tradcucks which is weakening and the false notion of "providing" getting him some real "relationship of trust and love" which is also dying with the obvious high divorce rates	/r/PurplePillDebate	19/09/20 01:59 PM
8	CMV: "Provider" males should employ sugar dating strategy by 30s rather than marry women in 30+ range that rode CC All sex is openly transactional including marriage to 30+ CC rider for beta males	/r/PurplePillDebate	19/09/20 01:58 PM
7	CMV: "Provider" males should employ sugar dating strategy by 30s rather than marry women in 30+ range that rode CC Im not complaining. Im speaking about their rational response to females riding CC.	/r/PurplePillDebate	19/09/20 01:58 PM
3	CMV: "Provider" males should employ sugar dating strategy by 30s rather than marry women in 30+ range that rode CC Thats total BS A man could easily do that at low 6 figures if he has no other costs as a bachelor.	/r/PurplePillDebate	19/09/20 01:56 PM
9	CMV: "Provider" males should employ sugar dating strategy by 30s rather than marry women in 30+ range that rode CC Well since his "peers match" have already ran the CC, why shouldn't he do that in his 30s rather than marry one of the CC riders?	/r/PurplePillDebate	19/09/20 01:54 PM
6	CMV: "Provider" males should employ sugar dating strategy by 30s rather than marry women in 30+ range that rode CC Yes if you want to define a beta male provider as some chump who just wants to give money to a CC rider without benefit, then I guess that narrow definition would suffice. To me, most beta males put in the "provider" situation dont want to be just chumps that provide for a 30+ CC rider lifestyle with nothing in return and high risk of divorce.	/r/PurplePillDebate	19/09/20 01:53 PM
3	CMV: "Provider" males should employ sugar dating strategy by 30s rather than marry women in 30+ range that rode CC There are plenty of pay per meet relationships that are no where near that costly	/r/PurplePillDebate	19/09/20 01:52 PM
2	Dangers of being strictly a provider, as well as the reality that women treat their casual sexual partners better than they treat their long term relationship partners. They are "working" but making far less than the man in most examples	/r/PurplePillDebate	19/09/20 01:45 PM
4	CMV: "Provider" males should employ sugar dating strategy by 30s rather than marry women in 30+ range that rode CC Most women in their 30s expect a man to make 6 figures. This is the SD range	/r/PurplePillDebate	19/09/20 01:45 PM
11	CMV: "Provider" males should employ sugar dating strategy by 30s rather than marry women in 30+ range that rode CC A larger harem of younger, attractive women fulfills the male sexual imperative far more than marrying an older CC riding female	/r/PurplePillDebate	19/09/20 01:44 PM
7	CMV: "Provider" males should employ sugar dating strategy by 30s rather than marry women in 30+ range that rode CC Actually most "provider" males are under the false impression that his future CC riding wife is going to be attracted to him and loyal. There might be some shaming (mostly by women who want men to marry but also some tradcucks) to push him into "social obligations" that don't benefit him due to divorce laws but that shouldn't be a real issue for him to care about.	/r/PurplePillDebate	19/09/20 01:44 PM
8	Should men start to put as much effort into appearance as women? Men should put work into physique/assets/status	/r/PurplePillDebate	19/09/20 01:42 PM
13	Basing your life around sex/power/dominance dynamics and spreading those ideas is bringing the society backwards They want to stay "oblivious" since it benefits their sexual strategy at the expense of beta males. Why would they want beta males to know the truth?	/r/PurplePillDebate	19/09/20 01:30 PM
1	Dangers of being strictly a provider, as well as the reality that women treat their casual sexual partners better than they treat their long term relationship partners. As long as women are looking to marry men with substantial assets/income in their 30s after riding the CC, the man is put into the default "provider" status. Even if only "13% are strict bread winner", the many makes the most income in the vast majority of marriages. The woman obtains disproportionate financial benefit from the man's higher income and thus is put in "provider" role by default.	/r/PurplePillDebate	19/09/20 01:27 PM
2	Dangers of being strictly a provider, as well as the reality that women treat their casual sexual partners better than they treat their long term relationship partners. 100% correct Alimony and Splitting of Assets with Child Support with female getting custody are default positions in most states.	/r/PurplePillDebate	19/09/20 01:19 PM
5	Dangers of being strictly a provider, as well as the reality that women treat their casual sexual partners better than they treat their long term relationship partners. Correct. This is 100% the mating strategy for "provider" males in the future. I suggest they do the sugar dating stuff too to bang young, attractive women rather than settling down with 30+ CC riding woman that needs someone to "save" them now. Its far cheaper to be a sugar daddy with a harem of younger attractive women with no commitment rather than marrying some 30+ CC rider that is likely to divorce and take your stuff.	/r/PurplePillDebate	19/09/20 01:12 PM
13	Basing your life around sex/power/dominance dynamics and spreading those ideas is bringing the society backwards I dont think it works for millenial women either Bluepill should never be used in modern dating period. Its not like older women arent divorce raping and cheating on provider males in droves.	/r/PurplePillDebate	19/09/20 01:07 PM
4	Dangers of being strictly a provider, as well as the reality that women treat their casual sexual partners better than they treat their long term relationship partners. Almost any male that gets married in USA is put in provider role by default.	/r/PurplePillDebate	19/09/20 01:05 PM
1	Is riding the the 'CC' really unreasonable in a society that is so sex obsessed? RP is correct on that	/r/PurplePillDebate	19/09/20 12:43 PM
14	Why women want to make guys they like wait for sex? Actually, most men dont want women who have slept around.	/r/PurplePillDebate	19/09/20 12:04 PM
12	Why women want to make guys they like wait for sex? Thats 100% truth The guy who slept with the female quickly is clearly the higher value person from the female perspective. The man who is made to wait is less sexually attractive and used for resources.	/r/PurplePillDebate	19/09/20 12:03 PM
2	Changes in the Distribution of Sex Partners in the United States: 2002 to 2011–2013 [The 80/20 rule strikes again?] This is 100% correct to the current situation. This exaggeration is very common among TRP beta males as well.	/r/PurplePillDebate	17/09/20 11:03 PM
2	Q4W: Should men care about a woman's financial status? I'd say a small % are truly "equal" but its rare	/r/PurplePillDebate	15/09/20 02:46 PM
1	Q4W: Should men care about a woman's financial status? Its only "quicker" if you both stay together for 20+ years and she continues to work. Very often, when the male is high paid, the female starts cutting to "part time" or less within a few years. Who is there to force her to continue working? Marriage laws are not setup to hold her accountable.	/r/PurplePillDebate	15/09/20 02:44 PM
1	BDSM stats show that there are far more submissive men than there are dominant women. What might this imply? I believe this. Western men have become largely pathetic weak beta cuckholds to Western women	/r/PurplePillDebate	15/09/20 02:20 PM
1	Shouldn’t we measure wealth equality between men and women based on access to wealth rather than income per se? 100% truth right here except the part it won't be "mainstream". I think the female collective already are pushing openly for quotas, affirmative action, etc. so its pretty "mainstream"	/r/PurplePillDebate	15/09/20 02:09 PM
5	Male dating isn’t getting worse. It's returning to its historic past Correct while the children of the losing tribe are killed (the children of these women). The women are forced into harems with no rights and are made to breed for the dominant males. Somehow this "natural" state wouldn't be accepted by feminists.	/r/PurplePillDebate	13/09/20 11:44 AM
4	Male dating isn’t getting worse. It's returning to its historic past Yeah the concept of "natural" isn't something they are interested in when it is women are treated as property for the dominant male. The females are in harems whereby they have no rights and are breeding machines for the alpha/dominant males. Yet I never see this "natural" state being promoted by feminists.	/r/PurplePillDebate	13/09/20 11:42 AM
1	Do you think women's standards for men have become too high and their hypergamy has got out of control? Women dont get away with it though in the sense they cant get long term commitment but only casual sex from those men.	/r/PurplePillDebate	13/09/20 11:06 AM
2	Do you think women's standards for men have become too high and their hypergamy has got out of control? The answer is wrong since birthrates are at all time lows in Europe. If it was so successful, why are their birth rates lower than USA? Hypergamy is more about benefits to the female lifestyle rather than children.	/r/PurplePillDebate	13/09/20 10:34 AM
0	Do you think women's standards for men have become too high and their hypergamy has got out of control? This is not correct as per the stats in Europe confirming: 1) Extremely low birth rate: far lower than USA. If relationships were far easier in Europe, birth rates wouldnt be lower than USA 2) High out of wedlock birth rates across Western Europe confirming marriage is dying there was well. 3) Plenty of extreme feminist policies in Western Europe despite less "inequality"	/r/PurplePillDebate	13/09/20 10:30 AM
1	CMV: Blue Pill Feminism (Gynocentrism) lead to TRP/MGTOW movement PUA is mostly useless	/r/PurplePillDebate	05/09/20 11:23 AM
1	Who has benefitted more from women's sexual liberation: women, men, or some subset? That is why female education destroys birth rates.	/r/PurplePillDebate	04/09/20 10:01 AM
3	The overwhelming feminist approval, and criticism over conservative criticism over Cardi B and her song "WAP", is evidence that, despite many claims to the contrary, women ARE as horny as men Correct. I don't see this song "WAP" as anything but selling sex from a former sex worker. I don't see how it proves women are thirsty	/r/PurplePillDebate	04/09/20 09:43 AM
0	CMV: Blue Pill Feminism (Gynocentrism) lead to TRP/MGTOW movement Well im happy to hear men have more ability to get kids.	/r/PurplePillDebate	03/09/20 12:50 PM
2	CMV: Blue Pill Feminism (Gynocentrism) lead to TRP/MGTOW movement 1) More hours, more difficult work, overtime, etc 2) Data didn't prove your case even though you think it did	/r/PurplePillDebate	03/09/20 12:49 PM
1	CMV: Blue Pill Feminism (Gynocentrism) lead to TRP/MGTOW movement you seem mad bro	/r/PurplePillDebate	03/09/20 12:49 PM
1	CMV: Blue Pill Feminism (Gynocentrism) lead to TRP/MGTOW movement sounds like PUA	/r/PurplePillDebate	03/09/20 12:49 PM
2	CMV: Blue Pill Feminism (Gynocentrism) lead to TRP/MGTOW movement 1) Number of hours worked and type of hours are well documented. Taking time off for kids decreases progression in job progression. 2) You didn't give relevant data	/r/PurplePillDebate	02/09/20 02:31 PM
1	CMV: Blue Pill Feminism (Gynocentrism) lead to TRP/MGTOW movement I agree Society forced them into monogamy for the good for the overall culture. As you can see, it collapses under the current system.	/r/PurplePillDebate	02/09/20 01:16 PM
1	CMV: Blue Pill Feminism (Gynocentrism) lead to TRP/MGTOW movement It was a perspective given by feminists	/r/PurplePillDebate	02/09/20 01:16 PM
1	CMV: Blue Pill Feminism (Gynocentrism) lead to TRP/MGTOW movement 1) Men work harder and don't take time off for kids in same way as women. 2) Women take more from services then pay into taxes. Pay gap is irrelevant. 3) I agree don't get married	/r/PurplePillDebate	02/09/20 01:15 PM
0	CMV: Blue Pill Feminism (Gynocentrism) lead to TRP/MGTOW movement Semantics. Affirmative Action is basically quotas with plausible deniability.	/r/PurplePillDebate	02/09/20 12:38 AM
1	CMV: Blue Pill Feminism (Gynocentrism) lead to TRP/MGTOW movement 1) True 2) Women are net tax takers and men are net tax payers 3) Alimony is still given 98% to women instead of men	/r/PurplePillDebate	02/09/20 12:31 AM
5	CMV: Blue Pill Feminism (Gynocentrism) lead to TRP/MGTOW movement Actually feminism is far closer to fascism since it has govt control. MGTOW/TRP doesn't.	/r/PurplePillDebate	02/09/20 12:30 AM
1	CMV: Blue Pill Feminism (Gynocentrism) lead to TRP/MGTOW movement Gender quotas are unconstitutional huh? lol	/r/PurplePillDebate	02/09/20 12:29 AM
2	CMV: Blue Pill Feminism (Gynocentrism) lead to TRP/MGTOW movement LMAO You think women in 30s arent looking to get married? I hope women are against marriage too now TBH.	/r/PurplePillDebate	01/09/20 09:42 PM
1	CMV: Blue Pill Feminism (Gynocentrism) lead to TRP/MGTOW movement 1) Affirmative action for women in academia, business, etc 2) Taxes for single moms from productive men 3) Divorce laws that make it unfair to successful men Need I go on?	/r/PurplePillDebate	01/09/20 09:41 PM
1	CMV: Blue Pill Feminism (Gynocentrism) lead to TRP/MGTOW movement Marriage rates	/r/PurplePillDebate	01/09/20 09:37 PM
1	CMV: Blue Pill Feminism (Gynocentrism) lead to TRP/MGTOW movement Are you arguing it wasn't sold to men?	/r/PurplePillDebate	01/09/20 09:37 PM
0	CMV: Blue Pill Feminism (Gynocentrism) lead to TRP/MGTOW movement What about if I have 12M in both personal assets and inheritance while I make >600k/year with a spouse that doesn't make anything? How would I be protected in marriage?	/r/PurplePillDebate	01/09/20 09:37 PM
0	CMV: Blue Pill Feminism (Gynocentrism) lead to TRP/MGTOW movement I'd say from marriage rates, its >50% of men 50 and below. They might not call themselves "MGTOW" but there is a clear marriage strike.	/r/PurplePillDebate	01/09/20 09:36 PM
16	CMV: Blue Pill Feminism (Gynocentrism) lead to TRP/MGTOW movement You are correct. Feminism doesn't care about men besides enslaving them. We can agree on that.	/r/PurplePillDebate	01/09/20 09:35 PM
0	Marriage I don't see any issue in a noncommon law state. Why would it matter if you had kids with her or not from a legal standpoint?	/r/PurplePillDebate	01/09/20 05:40 PM
0	CMV: Blue Pill Feminism (Gynocentrism) lead to TRP/MGTOW movement I can agree with that Its just that feminist ideology has taken over since then among most Western females.	/r/PurplePillDebate	01/09/20 05:32 PM
0	CMV: Blue Pill Feminism (Gynocentrism) lead to TRP/MGTOW movement Bible Teaches: 1) Wife defers to Husband 2) Women should hold no authority over men Now you can chose to believe it or not.	/r/PurplePillDebate	01/09/20 05:21 PM
1	CMV: Blue Pill Feminism (Gynocentrism) lead to TRP/MGTOW movement It is speaking to all Christian women and men in general. I have already quoted both OT and NT discussions on the subject. So you approve wives deferring to their husbands?	/r/PurplePillDebate	01/09/20 05:09 PM
1	CMV: Blue Pill Feminism (Gynocentrism) lead to TRP/MGTOW movement LOL you were just trying to quote Bible as part of your support for men serving women. Is this a serious argument?	/r/PurplePillDebate	01/09/20 05:07 PM
1	CMV: Blue Pill Feminism (Gynocentrism) lead to TRP/MGTOW movement Yes it does. The other quote referred to ALL women not having power or authority over men. Ergo, they shouldn't be in any authority over men in workplace, academia, etc as per Bible.	/r/PurplePillDebate	01/09/20 05:06 PM
2	CMV: Blue Pill Feminism (Gynocentrism) lead to TRP/MGTOW movement 1) Yes they did. The other stuff you are saying has nothing to do with my argument. 2) Actually, most studies are now confirming the opposite. https://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pmc/articles/PMC4418903/ 3) I never said anything otherwise about housework. I said total work.	/r/PurplePillDebate	01/09/20 05:05 PM
2	CMV: Blue Pill Feminism (Gynocentrism) lead to TRP/MGTOW movement https://www.bible.com/bible/8/EPH.5.22-33.AMPC "For the husband is head of the wife as Christ is the Head of the church, Himself the Savior of [His] body. As the church is subject to Christ, so let wives also be subject in everything to their husbands. "	/r/PurplePillDebate	01/09/20 05:03 PM
2	CMV: Blue Pill Feminism (Gynocentrism) lead to TRP/MGTOW movement Here's Proverbs: "The good wife (31:10–31) Verses 10–31 of the chapter are called Eshet Ḥayil (אשת חיל, woman of valor). It is a praise of the good wife, a definition of a perfect wife or "ideal woman" in the nation of Israel, who is 'an industrious housewife, a shrewd businesswoman, an enterprising trader, a generous benefactor (verse 20) and a wise teacher (verse 26).[2] This "Woman of Valor" has been described as the personification of wisdom, or in some sense as a description of a particular…	/r/PurplePillDebate	01/09/20 05:02 PM
0	CMV: Blue Pill Feminism (Gynocentrism) lead to TRP/MGTOW movement the Bible clearly teaches the man is the head of the household and the female is to defer to the male. https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/1_Timothy_2:12 ""But I suffer not a woman to teach, nor to usurp authority over the man, but to be in silence".[1][2]" Need more?	/r/PurplePillDebate	01/09/20 04:59 PM
1	drinking and drug culture IS the casual sex culture in the west... studies	/r/PurplePillDebate	01/09/20 04:58 PM
1	drinking and drug culture IS the casual sex culture in the west... 8 and higher	/r/PurplePillDebate	01/09/20 04:44 PM
4	CMV: Blue Pill Feminism (Gynocentrism) lead to TRP/MGTOW movement In the Bible, women are to serve men as well. Funny how you just notice the "work" part for men but not obligations of women serving their husbands. Feminism 101	/r/PurplePillDebate	01/09/20 04:44 PM
1	CMV: Blue Pill Feminism (Gynocentrism) lead to TRP/MGTOW movement Nice pretending this isnt mainstream Kind've like Biden trying to pretend he isnt a socialist now lol	/r/PurplePillDebate	01/09/20 04:43 PM
0	CMV: Blue Pill Feminism (Gynocentrism) lead to TRP/MGTOW movement im pretty confident women were property before civilization since "might made right" before civilization	/r/PurplePillDebate	01/09/20 04:21 PM
0	CMV: Blue Pill Feminism (Gynocentrism) lead to TRP/MGTOW movement lol nice strawman that has nothing to do with my argument	/r/PurplePillDebate	01/09/20 04:20 PM
2	CMV: Blue Pill Feminism (Gynocentrism) lead to TRP/MGTOW movement Men do more overall work than females in marriages when adding in work time plus household work Highest divorce rates are when women make more than men	/r/PurplePillDebate	01/09/20 04:19 PM
1	CMV: Blue Pill Feminism (Gynocentrism) lead to TRP/MGTOW movement Yes but men arent getting affirmative action for them	/r/PurplePillDebate	01/09/20 04:18 PM
2	CMV: Blue Pill Feminism (Gynocentrism) lead to TRP/MGTOW movement The "no true feminist" fallacy	/r/PurplePillDebate	01/09/20 04:18 PM
2	CMV: Blue Pill Feminism (Gynocentrism) lead to TRP/MGTOW movement they bring in foreign labor for cheaper costs totally different issue Furthermore, women are demanding the high paid "management" jobs more than grunt programmer work. Kind've like women never fight to be plumbers, electricians, etc only CEOs.	/r/PurplePillDebate	01/09/20 03:44 PM
4	CMV: Blue Pill Feminism (Gynocentrism) lead to TRP/MGTOW movement women still almost exclusively marry men who make more money/assets than themselves. Large segments of men are just going MGTOW since they dont find it to be worth the hassle now.	/r/PurplePillDebate	01/09/20 03:39 PM
2	CMV: Blue Pill Feminism (Gynocentrism) lead to TRP/MGTOW movement actually thats women's demands of men	/r/PurplePillDebate	01/09/20 03:38 PM
1	CMV: Blue Pill Feminism (Gynocentrism) lead to TRP/MGTOW movement Feminism was a prominent supporter and at the forefront of the movement. Sure there were other groups involved as well but the feminists totally supported it.	/r/PurplePillDebate	01/09/20 03:37 PM
2	CMV: Blue Pill Feminism (Gynocentrism) lead to TRP/MGTOW movement most women are feminists who deny it in USA these days	/r/PurplePillDebate	01/09/20 03:34 PM
4	CMV: Blue Pill Feminism (Gynocentrism) lead to TRP/MGTOW movement Men got benefits and responsibilities in the past Women got benefits and responsibilities in the past Feminism gave women all the benefits while giving responsibilities to men.	/r/PurplePillDebate	01/09/20 03:33 PM
1	CMV: Blue Pill Feminism (Gynocentrism) lead to TRP/MGTOW movement You really think men who were constantly at war with other men for women, resources, etc treated women as "equals"? You cant be serious lol	/r/PurplePillDebate	01/09/20 03:32 PM
5	CMV: Blue Pill Feminism (Gynocentrism) lead to TRP/MGTOW movement ok then make your own thread	/r/PurplePillDebate	01/09/20 03:32 PM
1	CMV: Blue Pill Feminism (Gynocentrism) lead to TRP/MGTOW movement You said the men "all had corporate wives" that supported them in other post	/r/PurplePillDebate	01/09/20 03:31 PM
2	CMV: Blue Pill Feminism (Gynocentrism) lead to TRP/MGTOW movement 1) Again, it was sold as "free love" in the 1960s. That was the "woodstock" theme. 2) I have in other posts 3) It doesn't change because women fight to keep it. https://www.palmbeachpost.com/article/20160217/NEWS/812065230	/r/PurplePillDebate	01/09/20 03:31 PM
1	CMV: Blue Pill Feminism (Gynocentrism) lead to TRP/MGTOW movement VC make specific funds for women now. VC doesn't care if one is female or male, all they care about making money.	/r/PurplePillDebate	01/09/20 03:29 PM
2	CMV: Blue Pill Feminism (Gynocentrism) lead to TRP/MGTOW movement and women want to control men's resources while sticking beta males with the bills Misandry has its own same "roots" everywhere as well.	/r/PurplePillDebate	01/09/20 03:26 PM
3	CMV: Blue Pill Feminism (Gynocentrism) lead to TRP/MGTOW movement So by your argument, might makes right? Guess men should go back to keeping women as property right since "feminism isn't made to benefit men".	/r/PurplePillDebate	01/09/20 03:23 PM
1	CMV: Blue Pill Feminism (Gynocentrism) lead to TRP/MGTOW movement I've seen those "studies" from "pre civilization" times. Im speaking about after the creation of modern civilization and language some 6000 years ago or so. Unless you want to go back to hunter/gatherer times where women were basically just property and men would fight to stake claim to them as booty?	/r/PurplePillDebate	01/09/20 03:21 PM
1	CMV: Blue Pill Feminism (Gynocentrism) lead to TRP/MGTOW movement I agree TRP doesn't need feminism to be true but it was the impetus in USA for its development.	/r/PurplePillDebate	01/09/20 03:19 PM
2	CMV: Blue Pill Feminism (Gynocentrism) lead to TRP/MGTOW movement Yes women are being pushed onto tech companies invented by men due to "quotas" They mostly take non programming "diversity" roles and other BS too.	/r/PurplePillDebate	01/09/20 03:19 PM
1	CMV: Blue Pill Feminism (Gynocentrism) lead to TRP/MGTOW movement umm ok?	/r/PurplePillDebate	01/09/20 03:18 PM
1	CMV: Blue Pill Feminism (Gynocentrism) lead to TRP/MGTOW movement That article doesn't say she supported him financially. She helped with some of the "grunt" work but he had all the ideas.	/r/PurplePillDebate	01/09/20 03:17 PM
2	CMV: Blue Pill Feminism (Gynocentrism) lead to TRP/MGTOW movement https://www.psychologytoday.com/us/blog/the-how-and-why-sex-differences/201104/why-dont-women-ask-men-out-first-dates	/r/PurplePillDebate	01/09/20 03:15 PM
1	CMV: Blue Pill Feminism (Gynocentrism) lead to TRP/MGTOW movement TRP is far closer to reality than feminist theory	/r/PurplePillDebate	01/09/20 03:14 PM
1	CMV: Blue Pill Feminism (Gynocentrism) lead to TRP/MGTOW movement Jeff Bezos depended on his rich wife to support him?	/r/PurplePillDebate	01/09/20 03:11 PM
0	CMV: Blue Pill Feminism (Gynocentrism) lead to TRP/MGTOW movement Im speaking about general society not exceptions	/r/PurplePillDebate	01/09/20 03:11 PM
1	CMV: Blue Pill Feminism (Gynocentrism) lead to TRP/MGTOW movement Bumble is a rip off of Tinder where female board member literally just stole the information and change it nominally to avoid lawsuit. Others I cant speak on since they seem pretty small but there are a few exceptions im sure Vast majority of tech is made by men.	/r/PurplePillDebate	01/09/20 03:11 PM
2	CMV: Blue Pill Feminism (Gynocentrism) lead to TRP/MGTOW movement When was that?	/r/PurplePillDebate	01/09/20 03:10 PM
2	CMV: Blue Pill Feminism (Gynocentrism) lead to TRP/MGTOW movement I never said they were "good people" and most billionaires are psychopaths. That doesn't negate that women didn't do it	/r/PurplePillDebate	01/09/20 03:09 PM
1	CMV: Blue Pill Feminism (Gynocentrism) lead to TRP/MGTOW movement Show the data of what?	/r/PurplePillDebate	01/09/20 03:08 PM
3	CMV: Blue Pill Feminism (Gynocentrism) lead to TRP/MGTOW movement They want to not believe it since it benefits women at the expense of men Most men 50 and under experience it.	/r/PurplePillDebate	01/09/20 03:08 PM
1	CMV: Blue Pill Feminism (Gynocentrism) lead to TRP/MGTOW movement Zuckerberg's wife was working to support him? Sergey Brin? Larry Paige? Bill Gates? This is untrue for Google, Facebook, Microsoft, etc	/r/PurplePillDebate	01/09/20 03:07 PM
6	CMV: Blue Pill Feminism (Gynocentrism) lead to TRP/MGTOW movement nice way of avoiding my argument lol	/r/PurplePillDebate	01/09/20 03:06 PM
7	CMV: Blue Pill Feminism (Gynocentrism) lead to TRP/MGTOW movement 1) When feminism was first sold in the 1960s, the concept of "free love" for men was a HUGE selling point. The concept of a "Woodstock free love" scenario where the average male participated was a huge selling point. 2) IQ was removed from admissions due to mostly Asian/White men being most of the 130+ population whereby there was no "diversity". IQ was deemed "racist and sexist". White women actually benefit the most from affirmative action (more than minorities). https://ideas.time.com/2013/06…	/r/PurplePillDebate	01/09/20 03:05 PM
4	CMV: Blue Pill Feminism (Gynocentrism) lead to TRP/MGTOW movement Most feminists dont agree with it because its uncomfortable truths.	/r/PurplePillDebate	01/09/20 02:57 PM
3	CMV: Blue Pill Feminism (Gynocentrism) lead to TRP/MGTOW movement First off, this confirms that women were given opportunity in jobs well before 1960s. Second, the computer was invented by men. The "coding" in those days weren't as high level as it became later and the men outcompeted the women. Women should be able to invent their own Google, Facebook, etc right?	/r/PurplePillDebate	01/09/20 02:56 PM
1	CMV: Blue Pill Feminism (Gynocentrism) lead to TRP/MGTOW movement ok? lol	/r/PurplePillDebate	01/09/20 02:51 PM
3	An experiment in hypergamy/polygamy theory Yes that is why most of written civilization had enforced monogamy due to stability of society.	/r/PurplePillDebate	01/09/20 02:50 PM
1	CMV: Blue Pill Feminism (Gynocentrism) lead to TRP/MGTOW movement TRP "theory" is just understand female sexual nature. Its as old as the Bible. The only real solution for society is early marriage virginal monogamy. That will never happen in the West, which will continue to decline with low birth rates/broken families. The only "rational" protection for men in this environment is probably MGTOW which largely means avoid legal entanglements such as marriage.	/r/PurplePillDebate	01/09/20 02:50 PM
0	CMV: Blue Pill Feminism (Gynocentrism) lead to TRP/MGTOW movement Throughout almost all of written civilization until the 1960s or so. Sure, there were some small windows of declining civilizations (Roman decline) where this wasn't the case but for vast majority of history. In fact, Roman/Greek men were given so much power over there women during most of their histories that they could kill them or their kids. I wouldn't recommend that extreme but you aren't speaking reality overall.	/r/PurplePillDebate	01/09/20 02:48 PM
2	CMV: Blue Pill Feminism (Gynocentrism) lead to TRP/MGTOW movement Women dominated computers in the 80s? Which companies did they invent again?	/r/PurplePillDebate	01/09/20 02:46 PM
1	CMV: Blue Pill Feminism (Gynocentrism) lead to TRP/MGTOW movement I have 3 kids and am in a traditional relationship already where i can afford to pay for everything. How about Physician Assistant? You just cant get an art history degree and live in NYC	/r/PurplePillDebate	01/09/20 02:43 PM
0	drinking and drug culture IS the casual sex culture in the west... I assumed you were trying to argue that only women who "drunk/drugged" were high N Count women. I read it wrong.	/r/PurplePillDebate	01/09/20 02:37 PM
0	CMV: Blue Pill Feminism (Gynocentrism) lead to TRP/MGTOW movement Women can easily still go to nursing school/teaching/etc with a bachelor's degree by 22. A woman can easily find a man in hate late teens to early 20s while having a low N count and still afford kids in many parts of the country outside of NYC, LA, SF, etc.	/r/PurplePillDebate	01/09/20 02:37 PM
1	CMV: Blue Pill Feminism (Gynocentrism) lead to TRP/MGTOW movement Non virginal women were shunned for most of known civilization. The vast majority of women married as virgins until recently. Being "beta bucks" in those days wasn't a large negative though since he still got a virginal bride that was young that couldn't divorce him unless extreme circumstances. He was always able to have a family with children that were his own.	/r/PurplePillDebate	01/09/20 02:36 PM
-1	CMV: Blue Pill Feminism (Gynocentrism) lead to TRP/MGTOW movement People can still have kids at younger ages in lower cost areas of USA. Most women can't "afford" it since they want to live an expensive lifestyle in high cost cities	/r/PurplePillDebate	01/09/20 02:34 PM
1	CMV: Blue Pill Feminism (Gynocentrism) lead to TRP/MGTOW movement There was no "beta bucks" since the woman was a virgin and couldn't divorce unless extreme circumstances. "Beta bucks" only exists in modern dating culture Premarital sex "existed" but was very rare	/r/PurplePillDebate	01/09/20 02:29 PM
0	CMV: Blue Pill Feminism (Gynocentrism) lead to TRP/MGTOW movement Thats true but a different subject.	/r/PurplePillDebate	01/09/20 02:28 PM
0	CMV: Blue Pill Feminism (Gynocentrism) lead to TRP/MGTOW movement Everyone could "seek" them but only one could marry. Higher tier men wouldn't marry lower tier women if they had higher tier women seeking marriage. There was also no carousel riding the top guys for 80% of women either. Women were expected to be virgins at marriage. Lower tier women were basically made to marry lower tier men when the higher tier men married the higher tier women. Ergo, everyone got someone.	/r/PurplePillDebate	01/09/20 02:26 PM
0	CMV: Blue Pill Feminism (Gynocentrism) lead to TRP/MGTOW movement Actually, productive financially successful men did far better under that system. They would get a virgin at a young age to have a family with and they could productively support. Under the current system, women sleep around with "bad boys" and sugar daddies during their 20s while getting "educated" mostly in BS social science subjects. Then when they hit their late 20s to 30s, they find out they can't marry the "alphas" they were banging, so then they become interested in the nice "beta success…	/r/PurplePillDebate	01/09/20 02:25 PM
5	CMV: Blue Pill Feminism (Gynocentrism) lead to TRP/MGTOW movement Hypergamy was only allowed in a monogamous marriage situation. A top male would marry a top female with pairing off. So each person would basically marry at their level. Currently, its a sexual "free for all" where 80+% of women sleep with about 10-20% of men in their 20s and then attempt marriage in their 30s. Its not equivalent in the least.	/r/PurplePillDebate	01/09/20 02:19 PM
8	An experiment in hypergamy/polygamy theory Actually, most people will employ their instincts but not admit doing it. They will give another "justification" for it to give plausible deniability. Who would want to have the perception of being a disloyal person that "monkey branches" when given the opportunity? Very few.	/r/PurplePillDebate	01/09/20 02:13 PM
-1	CMV: Blue Pill Feminism (Gynocentrism) lead to TRP/MGTOW movement There are a few rare exceptional fields where men get preference but this is very uncommon. OB/GYN was rumored to do that as well in medicine.	/r/PurplePillDebate	01/09/20 02:10 PM
8	CMV: Blue Pill Feminism (Gynocentrism) lead to TRP/MGTOW movement Yeah its "adapt or die" for men while giving "preferential treatment" and "coddling female whims" with govt support, academic support and business support. Feminism 101 in reality.	/r/PurplePillDebate	01/09/20 02:08 PM
3	CMV: Blue Pill Feminism (Gynocentrism) lead to TRP/MGTOW movement Correct. I really don't much care about the "theory" when the reality is totally different. Reality > Theoretical semantics	/r/PurplePillDebate	01/09/20 02:05 PM
3	CMV: Blue Pill Feminism (Gynocentrism) lead to TRP/MGTOW movement LGBT get preferential treatment too	/r/PurplePillDebate	01/09/20 02:04 PM
0	drinking and drug culture IS the casual sex culture in the west... ok forget my comments then lol I might've mistakenly read it is "high N count women need to be part of drug/drinking culture". Carry on.	/r/PurplePillDebate	01/09/20 02:02 PM
1	CMV: Blue Pill Feminism (Gynocentrism) lead to TRP/MGTOW movement I agree	/r/PurplePillDebate	01/09/20 02:01 PM
6	An experiment in hypergamy/polygamy theory Correct. Very few females will admit they are monkey branching. They will speak about "abuse" or some other claptrap.	/r/PurplePillDebate	01/09/20 02:00 PM
1	CMV: Blue Pill Feminism (Gynocentrism) lead to TRP/MGTOW movement I already gave the basic premises of the "Feminine Mystique" and how they varied from reality over the years with the evolution of third wave feminism with the demands of quotas, preference in divorce, etc.	/r/PurplePillDebate	01/09/20 02:00 PM
3	CMV: Blue Pill Feminism (Gynocentrism) lead to TRP/MGTOW movement Not at mathematics and hard sciences at the higher levels. STEM at higher levels are almost all male.	/r/PurplePillDebate	01/09/20 01:59 PM
4	CMV: Blue Pill Feminism (Gynocentrism) lead to TRP/MGTOW movement Then why are women demanding quotas and preference in USA? Tell your sisters they dont need them right since they are so good at it in other countries?	/r/PurplePillDebate	01/09/20 01:58 PM
8	drinking and drug culture IS the casual sex culture in the west... I think your definition of "LTR" is different than mine lol Very often fuck buddies are basically called "relationship" by women to lessen the reality of the situation and not make it seem the way it is.	/r/PurplePillDebate	01/09/20 01:57 PM
5	CMV: Blue Pill Feminism (Gynocentrism) lead to TRP/MGTOW movement 1) That is extremely rare that women ask men out, etc. You are giving exceptions. The general trend is females demanding chivalry, courting, etc including "feminists". 2) All those "studies" are just BS claptrap justifying fake quotas due to female underperformance on basic standardized exams. No one can hold down a good programmer, etc since its pure merit. The same "argument" about "sexism" can be used in female dominated professions and attitudes towards men. 3) TRP allows men to be with wome…	/r/PurplePillDebate	01/09/20 01:56 PM
4	drinking and drug culture IS the casual sex culture in the west... Why cant FWB be "exclusive" for a month or two?	/r/PurplePillDebate	01/09/20 01:49 PM
3	drinking and drug culture IS the casual sex culture in the west... Sure but the original implication is that only women that "drink/drug" culture have high N counts. That is false.	/r/PurplePillDebate	01/09/20 01:49 PM
7	drinking and drug culture IS the casual sex culture in the west... "Serial Monogamy" can include FWB type of relationships or ones where no real commitment is offered.	/r/PurplePillDebate	01/09/20 01:48 PM
4	drinking and drug culture IS the casual sex culture in the west... Yes but its not essential to drug/drink to do this.	/r/PurplePillDebate	01/09/20 01:44 PM
3	CMV: Blue Pill Feminism (Gynocentrism) lead to TRP/MGTOW movement Read Betty Friedan the "Feminine Mystique" and get back to me	/r/PurplePillDebate	01/09/20 01:43 PM
9	CMV: Blue Pill Feminism (Gynocentrism) lead to TRP/MGTOW movement Correct. It was largely a "bait and switch". They feigned "equality" at the beginning but quickly switched into preferential treatment.	/r/PurplePillDebate	01/09/20 01:42 PM
3	drinking and drug culture IS the casual sex culture in the west... Don't see the difference right? High N count is high N count. You don't need to be a bar slut to get a high N count. So the premise is false.	/r/PurplePillDebate	01/09/20 01:39 PM
8	CMV: Blue Pill Feminism (Gynocentrism) lead to TRP/MGTOW movement Actually, feminism is far past "equality" these days. Quotas, preferential child custody/divorce laws, etc are the norm. The "equality" it was sold on was a lie but probably well intended by academics at the beginning. Feminism was "sold" on "equality"	/r/PurplePillDebate	01/09/20 01:37 PM
20	drinking and drug culture IS the casual sex culture in the west... Serial Monogamy is another form of sex that is pretty close to "casual" as well. High N count women can come from "serial" monogamous relationships that last a month or two each (or even shorter).	/r/PurplePillDebate	01/09/20 01:35 PM
8	CMV: Blue Pill Feminism (Gynocentrism) lead to TRP/MGTOW movement So you're arguing that giving women "no fault divorce", unfair quotas, etc are "civil rights" now? Feminism "evolved" from a theoretical construct with initially noble pretenses largely by academics on a false notion. 3rd wave feminism is the "reality" on the ground and logical outcome.	/r/PurplePillDebate	01/09/20 01:34 PM
5	CMV: Blue Pill Feminism (Gynocentrism) lead to TRP/MGTOW movement 1) Ok but im speaking about the general movement among the vast majority of Western women. There are always exceptions like in everything in life. 2) How is STEM "sexist"? Its the most meritocratic field you can have. Either you get the equation right or not. Women have been uncompetitive on the standardized exams since the beginning and hence quotas were instituted. 3) TRP/MGTOW is adaptation to the feminist movement like I wrote in the post	/r/PurplePillDebate	01/09/20 01:32 PM
5	An experiment in hypergamy/polygamy theory Self reporting about hypergamy is less than useless. Most females wont admit they will monkey branch due to hypergamy due to it making them look bad in perception. Ergo, most women will find another "excuse" to dump their old boyfriend for someone "better" that doesn't involve admitting to hypergamy.	/r/PurplePillDebate	01/09/20 01:28 PM
1	CMV: Blue Pill Feminism (Gynocentrism) lead to TRP/MGTOW movement These are natural gender relation behaviors for women that are "unhinged" from responsibility while all the negative externalities are placed on men to "fix". Its basically men becoming slaves to the female ID. I think men who subscribed to feminism initially didn't understand female nature since monogamy was forced on women for most of written history.	/r/PurplePillDebate	01/09/20 01:25 PM
5	CMV: Blue Pill Feminism (Gynocentrism) lead to TRP/MGTOW movement Are you arguing that feminism wasn't sold on these premises to men? Who said "conspiracy"? I think it evolved from those initial ideas into "3rd wave" due to realities on the ground that varied from the theory. As "reality" showed women weren't competitive in STEM, AF/BB, etc, the externalities developed whereby men were basically held down with quotas, divorce laws, etc	/r/PurplePillDebate	01/09/20 01:22 PM
2	Why do we pretend free will doesn’t exist here? Atomized is no feeling of obligation to the collective society/males for the "good of society".	/r/PurplePillDebate	01/09/20 01:03 PM
2	Why do we pretend free will doesn’t exist here? Why would atomized women not follow hypergamous instincts then and employ AF/BB strategy? They would only go against their instincts in a society that restrained them.	/r/PurplePillDebate	01/09/20 12:56 PM
2	Why do we pretend free will doesn’t exist here? In an atomized feminized society, the vast majority of women will employ their perceived biological strategy of hypergamy ruthlessly since there is no societal constraints. Women have no loyalty to the "collective" male population in terms of relationships.	/r/PurplePillDebate	01/09/20 12:47 PM
20	Women want the protection and chaperoning of patriarchy without the accordant obligations. It'll never work. So you are trying to use "shaming" to get men to slave themselves with no benefit? Feminism 101 confirmed. Fortunately, men arent falling for this in the 50 and under crowd.	/r/PurplePillDebate	31/08/20 08:33 PM
14	Women want the protection and chaperoning of patriarchy without the accordant obligations. It'll never work. Neither are most men. Why should non criminal men protect random women?	/r/PurplePillDebate	31/08/20 08:28 PM
27	Women want the protection and chaperoning of patriarchy without the accordant obligations. It'll never work. Are women judged for being pathologically selfish and doing nothing for random men? Why would men be judged any different than women?	/r/PurplePillDebate	31/08/20 08:25 PM
6	Women want the protection and chaperoning of patriarchy without the accordant obligations. It'll never work. I have no obligation to protect a woman from some random man. There is no "altruism" from women towards men.	/r/PurplePillDebate	31/08/20 08:11 PM
8	Women want the protection and chaperoning of patriarchy without the accordant obligations. It'll never work. Its the female who tries to get the child support, etc	/r/PurplePillDebate	31/08/20 08:06 PM
13	Women want the protection and chaperoning of patriarchy without the accordant obligations. It'll never work. USA 2020	/r/PurplePillDebate	31/08/20 08:01 PM
16	Women want the protection and chaperoning of patriarchy without the accordant obligations. It'll never work. women are the ones who do the divorcing mostly	/r/PurplePillDebate	31/08/20 08:00 PM
4	Women constantly talk about how immoral men can be in regards to their sexuality. Are women generally any better, or are they even worse? Yeah only thing worse than dating a "Trump supporter" is dating a "Hillary Supporter, Obama Supporter or Biden Supporter" Who would want to date someone that supports a feminist male hating party?	/r/PurplePillDebate	31/08/20 08:00 PM
15	Women want the protection and chaperoning of patriarchy without the accordant obligations. It'll never work. Also women commit far more violence against children, so maybe we should give preferential child rearing to the male.	/r/PurplePillDebate	31/08/20 07:45 PM
8	Women want the protection and chaperoning of patriarchy without the accordant obligations. It'll never work. If you get rid of men, there will be no electric/plumbing/cars or modern civilization. We would race to the bottom	/r/PurplePillDebate	31/08/20 07:45 PM
12	Women want the protection and chaperoning of patriarchy without the accordant obligations. It'll never work. 100% truth but its far worse when it comes from female to male interactions.	/r/PurplePillDebate	31/08/20 07:39 PM
26	Women want the protection and chaperoning of patriarchy without the accordant obligations. It'll never work. Yes but why should the average random man care about protecting average female? He gets no protection, support, etc from a random female.	/r/PurplePillDebate	31/08/20 07:38 PM
26	Women want the protection and chaperoning of patriarchy without the accordant obligations. It'll never work. Its not a random man's obligation to protect you from being robbed, raped, etc. Call the police and have them come to help.	/r/PurplePillDebate	31/08/20 07:14 PM
40	Women want the protection and chaperoning of patriarchy without the accordant obligations. It'll never work. Correct. No man should white knight for random females.	/r/PurplePillDebate	31/08/20 07:12 PM
21	Women want the protection and chaperoning of patriarchy without the accordant obligations. It'll never work. But there is no "synergy" in these relationships. It's women demanding free stuff from men with obligations for no benefit for the men.	/r/PurplePillDebate	31/08/20 07:11 PM
0	Older men (30+). What are your reasons for going after younger women that are NOT LOOKS RELATED? they dont have enough appeal after 30+ for a long term relationship for men in the 30+ range that are successful instead of a few exceptions.	/r/PurplePillDebate	31/08/20 01:18 PM
1	Older men (30+). What are your reasons for going after younger women that are NOT LOOKS RELATED? just lol	/r/PurplePillDebate	31/08/20 01:05 PM
4	"TRP and FDS" Concepts are not new. 1987 Eddie Murphy Raw; Marriage, Men and Women, Cheating. Watch the Clips - Lets discuss. That is why the concept of "redpill" is BS since it goes back WAY before anything called the "redpill". I was already "redpill" before there was a Rollo, Roosh or Roisy? Before them there was Tom Leykis, Eddie Murphy, etc. I think the only difference is enough baby boomer simp men didn't get divorce raped, false rape charges, etc back then. Now since its full 100% anti-male with abundant divorce rape, metooing, etc., more simp men are finally waking up to some degree.	/r/PurplePillDebate	30/08/20 03:10 PM
2	Older men (30+). What are your reasons for going after younger women that are NOT LOOKS RELATED? truth	/r/PurplePillDebate	30/08/20 12:07 AM
15	Older men (30+). What are your reasons for going after younger women that are NOT LOOKS RELATED? Younger women are: 1) More Fertile on average 2) Less Sexual Partners on average 3) Less jaded by past relationships on average 4) Usually don't have kids/divorce/baggage on average Older women's benefits: Can't really think of any. More demanding? Usually more debt?	/r/PurplePillDebate	29/08/20 05:24 PM
1	CMV: Men are far more into casual sex than females as noted by casual sexual outlet ratios with far more men than females They dont need it because they have a lower sex drive	/r/PurplePillDebate	23/08/20 11:54 PM