Hot-Law2682 Archive

Upvotes	Title	Category	Author	Subreddit	Date (UTC)
66	The Blue Pill didn't lie to you	Debate	Hot-Law2682	/r/PurplePillDebate	17/02/24 06:20 PM
40	Why you have to work harder than your grandfather (and what to do about it)	Debate	Hot-Law2682	/r/PurplePillDebate	05/01/25 10:28 PM
23	Women’s willingness to date older is a massive advantage when it comes to dating young	Debate	Hot-Law2682	/r/PurplePillDebate	31/03/26 05:23 PM

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1	Men place women on a pedestal and in doing so they start to hate women for any show of humanity. Yeah you never know the motive thats why worrying about this stuff is stupid. Understand and verbalize your needs in the relationship and make sure your partner is enthusiastically meeting them, but trying to sleuth out all the ways they treated their various exes and why they changed is silly.	/r/PurplePillDebate	23/07/26 12:21 AM
3	Men place women on a pedestal and in doing so they start to hate women for any show of humanity. Stop taking it as a personal attack when they see women dating bad men, as if women are actively choosing to be with these men to spite them. Understand that women can change their desires over time (like going from being interested in hookups to not interested) and stop assuming any change is not genuine and cynically employed to advantage of them. Stop assuming that moral behavior will directly lead to sex Honestly points 1 and 3 are pretty redpilled. Point 2 is what a lot of redpillers get hu…	/r/PurplePillDebate	23/07/26 12:07 AM
3	Men place women on a pedestal and in doing so they start to hate women for any show of humanity. I think its more the idea that if you do all these things you should find a partner because thats how it works for 99% of people. However nowhere in that statement does it say you will find an attractive partner, or a virgin one. But also that advice is old and is rapidly changing. My parents and their friends are boggled at how hard dating is now and tell us they don't really know what to do. It seems like people generally agree dating is harder nowadays and just being a normal, respectful guy …	/r/PurplePillDebate	22/07/26 09:46 PM
–	Women have no problems with "power dynamics" if it’s something they’re attracted to and validates their egos I think it depends on the man and the type of leverage, I don't agree with that as a base principle. But even the FDS sub makes it clear women should have avenues to earn their own money and not be fully reliant on a man. They tend to shoot more for "my money is my money and his money is our money" scenarios rather than "I have no money and he has all the money". But the reason I say it depends is that offline people aren't as worried about hyper-analyzing the amount of leverage each party has, …	/r/PurplePillDebate	20/07/26 02:38 PM
–	Women have no problems with "power dynamics" if it’s something they’re attracted to and validates their egos What principle?	/r/PurplePillDebate	20/07/26 02:24 PM
–	Women have no problems with "power dynamics" if it’s something they’re attracted to and validates their egos I never made a claim about what % of men are doing this. All I said was that the criticism is mostly levied towards men who are explicit in their desire to use power dynamics to facilitate bad behavior.	/r/PurplePillDebate	20/07/26 02:23 PM
–	Women have no problems with "power dynamics" if it’s something they’re attracted to and validates their egos I think a lot of the criticism about men pursuing relationships where there is a strong power imbalance in their favor is that these men explicitly do this to get away with bad behavior. They pursue people who are younger and/or poorer because they know they are more vulnerable and naïve and will let them get away with cheating, mental abuse, lack of effort, etc. Whereas when women pursue relationships where they have less power there is not the same possibility or stated desire for exploitation…	/r/PurplePillDebate	20/07/26 01:31 PM
–	Friendzoning guys is an extremely painful experience I have a feeling that if you did some self-reflection and analyzed these friendships you would realize these guys did WAY more for you than vice versa. These guys do favors for you, dress up in costumes, buy you meals, do you ever do these things for your male friends? I am guessing not, or very infrequently. And do these guys also buy dinner and dress up for their male friends? I am guessing not. So for you and the other women reading this, if you are friends with a guy and the effort in the re…	/r/PurplePillDebate	18/07/26 11:18 PM
1	Women who struggle to find a long-term partner aren't "too good" for the men who are also single "used as a placeholder" sounds like the same neurotic insecurity men speak about when they claim they are being "settled for" Just because people are nervous their partner doesn't like them doesn't mean its actually happening.	/r/PurplePillDebate	18/07/26 03:44 PM
1	Women who struggle to find a long-term partner aren't "too good" for the men who are also single Thats a fairly reductive take and can be said for anything. "you are poor because you haven't put yourself in a situation to achieve financial success" "you are sad because you haven't put yourself in a situation to achieve happiness" It says nothing about the things holding them back from being in that situation or the situation itself.	/r/PurplePillDebate	18/07/26 03:37 PM
0	Women who struggle to find a long-term partner aren't "too good" for the men who are also single That is interesting, from what I have seen similar numbers of men and women form relationships from dating apps. https://nuancepill.substack.com/p/have-dating-apps-ruined-dating I'd say the fact that women get more offers for relationships than men yet men are more likely to be in a relationship from a dating app shows that men desire women more than the reverse. Men take the offers they can get whereas women get tons of offers and often don't select any of them.	/r/PurplePillDebate	18/07/26 03:35 PM
8	Women who struggle to find a long-term partner aren't "too good" for the men who are also single Yes but even taking that into account women still get more desire on dating apps than men, even just purely because of the skewed gender ratio.	/r/PurplePillDebate	18/07/26 12:11 AM
5	Women who struggle to find a long-term partner aren't "too good" for the men who are also single https://www.nbcnews.com/politics/politics-news/poll-gen-zs-gender-divide-reaches-politics-views-marriage-children-suc-rcna229255 https://www.pewresearch.org/short-reads/2023/02/08/for-valentines-day-5-facts-about-single-americans/ https://www.independent.co.uk/news/uk/home-news/women-men-femosphere-new-statesman-poll-b2958208.html https://xcancel.com/jakozloski/status/2050540807049171242#m, https://xcancel.com/jakozloski/status/2054652650705043938#m I'll admit a lot of research does show that ge…	/r/PurplePillDebate	18/07/26 12:11 AM
0	If a woman a man is dating or is interested in starts pulling away, his best option is to let go and stop trying. Bruh if you really like this girl its worth a 5 minute conversation to assess her feelings	/r/PurplePillDebate	17/07/26 05:10 PM
46	Women who struggle to find a long-term partner aren't "too good" for the men who are also single Many surveys show that currently men desire women more than women desire men. Its not that women are "too good" its more that single women are generally "good enough" for men whereas single men are not for women.	/r/PurplePillDebate	17/07/26 05:08 PM
10	Women who struggle to find a long-term partner aren't "too good" for the men who are also single Who decides what standards are legitimate or not? Or is the rule just that "if your standards come in part from online culture then they are invalid"?	/r/PurplePillDebate	17/07/26 05:07 PM
1	Most Modern Women are Alpha Widows As people get older their looks worsen (they get fat, wrinkles, balding, etc) and they tend to date people around their age who also look worse. However, with life experience you develop confidence in the love languages and relationship dynamics that suit you best. So yeah you will probably date worse looking people as you get older (because you will also look worse than your younger self) but that doesn't mean the relationship itself is worse.	/r/PurplePillDebate	16/07/26 01:39 PM
–	Just because a woman wants a relationship with you doesn't mean she desires you. But if a woman doesn't hook up with a guy that doesn't mean she didn't find him attractive. That is the real issue in all these debates. No one debates that getting a hookup means she is attracted, where it gets really spicy is this idea that if you didn't get a hookup your entire relationship is a lie and your gf actually has no desire for you.	/r/PurplePillDebate	16/07/26 12:56 PM
2	Just because a woman wants a relationship with you doesn't mean she desires you. It makes sense that when add additional factors into a decision the power of each individual factor decreases. But you are making the decision that however much physical attraction matters for an LTR is not enough. I don't see what about this data is "dark" or "heartbreaking".	/r/PurplePillDebate	14/07/26 10:25 PM
1	Just because a woman wants a relationship with you doesn't mean she desires you. Why is this heartbreaking? Doesn't it make sense that for a LTR women would care more about things like status and resources relative to a hookup? But this doesn't mean that looks don't matter for a LTR, just that other factors matter too, which makes sense.	/r/PurplePillDebate	14/07/26 09:19 PM
1	Just because a woman wants a relationship with you doesn't mean she desires you. what data?	/r/PurplePillDebate	14/07/26 09:16 PM
0	Just because a woman wants a relationship with you doesn't mean she desires you. I don't understand this. If hookups are the way to determine desire than a woman who never has hookups just doesn't desire any men. Unless you want to acknowledge that sometimes women find men attractive but don't hook up with them, but then the whole "hookups determine desire" thing falls apart.	/r/PurplePillDebate	14/07/26 09:15 PM
2	Just because a woman wants a relationship with you doesn't mean she desires you. The only way women can win in this worldview is by instantly having sex with any man they would consider having a relationship with. This is great for men, they get more sex with less effort, which is the goal of a lot of men's dating solutions.	/r/PurplePillDebate	14/07/26 09:12 PM
1	Passport bros is the only real solution for average and below average men. And men and women should agree with it Rehab room says that. He says looks = personality and says if you aren't an 8/10 at least you will never get genuine desire and will always be a cuck or an oofy doofy who is getting cheated on or used for money.	/r/PurplePillDebate	12/07/26 10:09 PM
1	Passport bros is the only real solution for average and below average men. And men and women should agree with it According to a lot of the blackpill people I debate here looks are literally the only factor lol	/r/PurplePillDebate	10/07/26 07:49 PM
5	If a man would actually take any woman, he’d be very wanted. Being slim/skinny is attractive for a woman and unattractive for a man. A skinny guy with no muscle who wants a skinny woman with no muscle is likely looking for someone more attractive than them, so they will have a hard time.	/r/PurplePillDebate	10/07/26 07:19 PM
-1	Men who don’t approach IRL are behaving in the way they’ve been instructed Most people meet partners through social circles or shared activities like school, work, or hobbies. The dichotomy of either cold approach or dating apps is false.	/r/PurplePillDebate	10/07/26 07:13 PM
1	Passport bros is the only real solution for average and below average men. And men and women should agree with it Actually agree with this. If you are a below average looking guy with a mediocre career who wants a young, thin, beautiful partner then going international is your best shot.	/r/PurplePillDebate	10/07/26 07:11 PM
6	Passport bros is the only real solution for average and below average men. And men and women should agree with it Ugly men are only 15% less likely to have partners compared to very attractive men? Factors besides looks (education level) significantly affect chances of finding a partner? Thanks for linking this	/r/PurplePillDebate	10/07/26 07:09 PM
1	"Game" is overrated. Does this mean she will never be authentically attracted to him? Also women don't participate in hookups as frequently as the internet thinks	/r/PurplePillDebate	08/07/26 07:18 PM
1	"Game" is overrated. Is it true that if she doesn't have sex with you in the first week she will never genuinely desire you?	/r/PurplePillDebate	08/07/26 07:17 PM
1	"Game" is overrated. When a lot of people say "game" they just mean being charismatic and interesting, which obviously helps with dating. If you think it doesn't you are just wrong. But in the traditional sense "game" is a very specific set of instructions and phrases taught by a PUA. These CAN work too but are extremely situational and only give specific outcomes. They also often require a certain extend of lying/twisting of truth. Here is an example strategy from John Anthony: Introduce yourself to a drunk girl at…	/r/PurplePillDebate	07/07/26 06:43 AM
2	"Game" is overrated. This is the normal experience for a ton of guys, attraction growing over time through knowing someone better. Its a shame that now young men are being told by blackpill/redpill internet guys that if a girl doesn't fuck you within a few days of meeting you then you are a cuck/simp/beta/oofy doofy who is just being used while she fucks chad on the side. Even if she does have sex with you later its not the "authentic desire" chad gets and will always end in cheating/divorce/etc.	/r/PurplePillDebate	07/07/26 06:39 AM
–	There's nothing morally wrong with the af/bb strategy. Investing in a woman is beta, the more you invest the more beta you are. Peak alpha is a man who has sex with a woman 10 seconds after meeting her without even learning her name and ghosts her after. Peak beta is a man who pays for every bill in a woman's life and provides constant emotional support.	/r/PurplePillDebate	12/06/26 09:40 PM
3	Society is Addicted to Male Ambition and Productivity — While Systematically Destroying Every Incentive That Creates It If the "desired lifestyle" includes a relationship with a woman then it follows that men need to address women's feelings. Having a nice salary and career is not gonna do that. So expecting your career to be the tool that gives you access to relationships is silly.	/r/PurplePillDebate	31/05/26 02:54 PM
2	Society is Addicted to Male Ambition and Productivity — While Systematically Destroying Every Incentive That Creates It Do men want relationships with women or ownership of women? Because a relationship requires mutual feelings from both participants, and feelings can't be forced. Ownership can be forced, however. But if men want relationships the only real solution seems to be to address women's feelings.	/r/PurplePillDebate	31/05/26 01:27 PM
1	There's nothing morally wrong with the af/bb strategy. its not that hard to find a car that stays on the road	/r/PurplePillDebate	29/05/26 03:30 AM
1	There's nothing morally wrong with the af/bb strategy. Your standard to be an alpha was just receiving sex. I think you would admit that women will have sex with guys they wouldn't start a family with. So it seems like alpha and beta are optimizing for different things. The alpha optimizes towards traits that lead to quick and easy sex, the beta optimizes towards traits that lead to family formation. They are desirable in different contexts. And it makes sense that alphas are more valued in youth because people generally don't try to start families …	/r/PurplePillDebate	28/05/26 11:35 PM
1	There's nothing morally wrong with the af/bb strategy. People only get in car accidents when they drive cars.	/r/PurplePillDebate	28/05/26 11:29 PM
1	There's nothing morally wrong with the af/bb strategy. If a man is dating a woman 99% of the time he is only with her because the 50 stacies he dm'd first ghosted him.	/r/PurplePillDebate	27/05/26 09:07 PM
1	There's nothing morally wrong with the af/bb strategy. According to all the comments in this thread a "beta" is just a man who invests emotionally and financially in a woman.	/r/PurplePillDebate	27/05/26 09:04 PM
1	There's nothing morally wrong with the af/bb strategy. From this definition being alpha or beta has nothing to do with moral goodness. For example, someone who constantly lies to women to get sex could be an "alpha" whereas the same person who is more honest might then need more investment and be a "beta". So is preferring to be alpha over beta just a selfish decision in the end? Also wouldn't it make sense that women prefer to start families with men who offer actual emotional and financial investment?	/r/PurplePillDebate	27/05/26 08:57 PM
0	There's nothing morally wrong with the af/bb strategy. What would indicate that you are disrespected or hated?	/r/PurplePillDebate	27/05/26 08:54 PM
1	There's nothing morally wrong with the af/bb strategy. You keep bringing up the absolute worst case scenario that happens less than 0.1% of the time. However, childless and unmarried men are significantly less happy then married men with kids, this is the expected outcome.	/r/PurplePillDebate	27/05/26 08:53 PM
1	There's nothing morally wrong with the af/bb strategy. Its not pity. Doesn't it make sense that when a woman is looking to form a family they value someone who can support that family and who they can trust to be loyal? These are all "beta" qualities.	/r/PurplePillDebate	27/05/26 08:48 PM
1	There's nothing morally wrong with the af/bb strategy. https://dailycitizen.focusonthefamily.com/do-young-men-want-to-be-married-in-2026/ Ok but the numbers are real	/r/PurplePillDebate	27/05/26 08:47 PM
3	There's nothing morally wrong with the af/bb strategy. Lol cuck has lost all meaning	/r/PurplePillDebate	27/05/26 08:45 PM
2	There's nothing morally wrong with the af/bb strategy. There are longitudinal studies tracking happiness before and after marriage that show getting married makes you happier. https://ifstudies.org/blog/does-getting-married-really-make-you-happier	/r/PurplePillDebate	27/05/26 08:44 PM
–	There's nothing morally wrong with the af/bb strategy. What percent of women have had 100+ sexual partners?	/r/PurplePillDebate	27/05/26 08:40 PM
8	Men who get their life together for the sake of becoming attractive but then decide to be single should not be blamed for their choice Popular MGTOW channels: Hammerhand Better Bachelor Sandman Thinking Ape All say women shouldn't have independence and shouldn't be able to vote. The core of MGTOW ideology nowadays is antifeminist.	/r/PurplePillDebate	16/05/26 08:49 PM
1	Both men and women choose to be single, anyone could be in a relationship, it just won’t necessarily be with someone you want or desire Basically it is. How many LTRs exist where the man offers 0 financial support? It never happens.	/r/PurplePillDebate	16/05/26 05:51 PM
1	Both men and women choose to be single, anyone could be in a relationship, it just won’t necessarily be with someone you want or desire More than 20% of men are in relationships lol.	/r/PurplePillDebate	16/05/26 05:49 PM
1	Both men and women choose to be single, anyone could be in a relationship, it just won’t necessarily be with someone you want or desire Thats like 99.9% of men. Very few women is going to enter into a LTR with a man who has 0 financial commitment.	/r/PurplePillDebate	16/05/26 05:47 PM
–	The "she did it with her ex but won't with me" situation is typically valid for a man to be concerned about. I don't text my current gf that often (maybe 2-4x a day) and thats what I like. If I find out she was more enthusiastic about texting with an ex I wouldn't care because thats not something I need in a relationship. I understand your idea of evidence pointing to desire, but you are still just guessing. I know I will never truly know how someone feels about me, they could be a virgin who treats me better than everyone else but deep down be an emotionless sociopath who feels nothing. I measure desi…	/r/PurplePillDebate	13/05/26 08:54 PM
2	Do most men here come from married two parent homes? I do. No divorces at all in my immediate family for the last two generations. No divorces among my parent's friends, though one couple is in a semi-open marriage.	/r/PurplePillDebate	13/05/26 08:17 PM
2	Telling men not to attach their worth to dating women is a tall ask when women collectively act like it IS about men's worth. I guess it depends where you look. Depending on the subreddit a post of a woman complaining about dating will either have comments calling her a dumb whore who only wants chad or saying men are trash. I don't use instagram or X but I have heard they are equally volatile. But I have also seen reddit threads where older male virgins are met with pity and understanding. It depends on the context. It really depends on if the angle is "women are wrong to not date me" or "it sucks I am too low value t…	/r/PurplePillDebate	03/05/26 02:19 AM
1	Telling men not to attach their worth to dating women is a tall ask when women collectively act like it IS about men's worth. Yes, it sucks to be undesirable. I don't get the point of tone policing on the internet. We have decided as a culture that the internet is a shitty place where everyone hates each other. Women are constantly shit on and called whores whenever they talk about dating. If you really want to feel supported or understood talk to people irl, or go to a very specific and small internet space.	/r/PurplePillDebate	03/05/26 01:36 AM
1	Telling men not to attach their worth to dating women is a tall ask when women collectively act like it IS about men's worth. So then you agree with the idea that men's desire for sex doesn't override the women's preference for autonomy. Therefore, if a man has no women attracted to him, its on the man to make himself attractive.	/r/PurplePillDebate	03/05/26 01:13 AM
1	Telling men not to attach their worth to dating women is a tall ask when women collectively act like it IS about men's worth. Would you have sex with an attractive woman if you knew she didn't want to but couldn't say no?	/r/PurplePillDebate	03/05/26 12:50 AM
3	Simps are the problem. So you don't have any actual counter argument?	/r/PurplePillDebate	14/04/26 03:55 PM
7	Simps are the problem. "wanting wife treatment from a man they met a few days ago" This does not happen lol	/r/PurplePillDebate	14/04/26 03:48 PM
11	Simps are the problem. You can't say simps are thirsty and desperate when your standard for being a simp is "pays for a date" and "acts chivalrous". By this logic most men have been simps since dating became a thing. You don't have to put in effort if you don't want to but for a lot of guys building a relationship with someone is worth spending $50 on a meal and being a nice person. Also if men stopped "simping" all the issues with dating would just get worse. Women would gravitate even more strongly towards the most …	/r/PurplePillDebate	14/04/26 03:40 PM
9	Dating for straight men is entirely TOO MUCH WORK You have to think of things from the women's perspective. Male validation for sexual attractiveness isn't that valuable. Women get hit on since the age of 13, they know men want to fuck them. So if not validation what is the benefit of casual sex? Pleasure? Nope, around 80% of women report not feeling sexually satisfied in their hookups. Social capital? Nope, women are shamed and seen as lower value for engaging in hookups. So it really doesn't sound that great. This is why women have high regre…	/r/PurplePillDebate	08/04/26 02:10 PM
–	“I like to take things slow” usually means she’s not that into you Most women aren't even looking for hookups and aren't receptive to them even from very attractive strangers. Trying to only meet women through hookups is basically impossible for most men, but internet brainrot has dudes thinking every girl has slept with 50 chads so if she doesn't fuck him right away then hes a cuck or something.	/r/PurplePillDebate	07/04/26 08:10 PM
–	“I like to take things slow” usually means she’s not that into you "raw attraction" is just another way of saying "fucks me right away" Attraction is not static, it changes for better or for worse. If you genuinely desire a long term relationship and a family its silly to think of attraction as something that is only built in the first few hours or even days of an interaction. I want a long term relationship. I'd rather be with someone who I know is attracted to me 5 years after we meet than someone who only wants me for one night. But if you want quick and eas…	/r/PurplePillDebate	07/04/26 08:08 PM
–	“I like to take things slow” usually means she’s not that into you So you deny familiarity bias? Its a frequently-replicated phenomena where people become more attractive to each other just by spending more time together. https://pubmed.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/21381850/ Or do you deny the idea that factors other than physical appearance contribute to attraction? Because this has also been consistently demonstrated: “Gross and Crofton presented a photograph of a (fictional) female student attached with verbal descriptions of her personality. Male and female participant…	/r/PurplePillDebate	07/04/26 03:35 PM
–	“I like to take things slow” usually means she’s not that into you There are epochs of desire. I'd say generally desire peaks during the honeymoon phase around 6-10 months in. But that means desire has increased from day 1. It might go down after the 1 year mark then increase again at 5 years... still has increased from day 1. My point is that someones attraction towards you after knowing you a few hours to a few days does not encompass the full extent of their possible feelings. That is obvious to most normal people but people on here make it sound like desire…	/r/PurplePillDebate	07/04/26 03:31 PM
–	“I like to take things slow” usually means she’s not that into you Can desire grow over time?	/r/PurplePillDebate	07/04/26 12:18 PM
–	“I like to take things slow” usually means she’s not that into you several hours lol	/r/PurplePillDebate	07/04/26 12:10 PM
–	“I like to take things slow” usually means she’s not that into you Really depends on context. Are we talking waiting for two weeks or two months? Are we talking no physical contact at all or no sex? Really what I fundamentally disagree with is the line that if a woman likes you she will "try to hookup with you early on". Not every woman wants hookups or is looking for them at every moment. If you want a hookup go for hookups but don't pretend like hookups are the only way to secure desire. What makes this terrible advice is that women are much less likely to pu…	/r/PurplePillDebate	07/04/26 12:09 PM
1	There are a FAR too many cons than pros for dating for men. Your desire for sex, romantic intimacy, and a family, depends on your personality and goals. If you are someone who has a high sex drive, desperately craves intimacy, or really wants a family then I think access to those things greatly outweighs the cons. If you are asexual or low sex drive, don't desire companionship, and don't want a wife/kids then yeah its probably not worth the effort.	/r/PurplePillDebate	06/04/26 10:46 PM
5	Giving a woman false signals to get laid is the male version of being friendzoned How is it unfair for someone to not get something they need? If I get a 35/100 on the test is it fair that I fail? But I needed to pass the test.	/r/PurplePillDebate	06/04/26 07:15 PM
9	Giving a woman false signals to get laid is the male version of being friendzoned I agree for commitment but not honesty. Commitment involves access to someone else's body and time, honestly is about ensuring mutual success for both parties. Someone who wants to force commitment does not care about the wellbeing of the other party, someone who wants to force honesty does. Yes you are obligated to be honest to others as a measure of insuring proper consent and understanding before engaging (i.e. not having someone do something they didn't agree to). Is cheating morally justifi…	/r/PurplePillDebate	06/04/26 07:13 PM
5	Giving a woman false signals to get laid is the male version of being friendzoned What is unfair about this?	/r/PurplePillDebate	06/04/26 07:07 PM
10	Giving a woman false signals to get laid is the male version of being friendzoned No one is obligated to give someone else sex or intimacy just because they want it. The difference between these two situations is that the man is lying about wanting a relationship/commitment whereas the woman never lies about her intentions. Yes, in both situations someone isn't getting something they want but at least the woman who friendzones the guy is being truthful about her intentions. Do you not see the difference? I admit there are situations where a woman will knowingly lead a guy on,…	/r/PurplePillDebate	06/04/26 07:01 PM
1	Women’s willingness to date older is a massive advantage when it comes to dating young Men would be open to sex with an older woman if it was presented to them and it required no effort. But even courting older women requires effort and young men mostly choose to direct their effort towards women their age and younger, which is also the most desirable demographic of women overall.	/r/PurplePillDebate	02/04/26 07:47 PM
–	Sex robots are imminent Its all nonsense speculation. Just people saying "look at where we are at now imagine where we will be in the future" Yeah, you can imagine it. Doesn't mean its gonna happen	/r/PurplePillDebate	02/04/26 07:42 PM
–	Sex robots are imminent Its mostly gonna be used by couples who struggle with infertility.	/r/PurplePillDebate	02/04/26 07:41 PM
–	Sex robots are imminent I agree with this one. We are seeing AI chatbots meet a lot of intimacy needs for lonely people. Research has even shown using them improves mental health. But the catch is that women use these bots as much if not more than men.	/r/PurplePillDebate	02/04/26 07:40 PM
–	Sex robots are imminent Who is gonna raise the kid tho?	/r/PurplePillDebate	02/04/26 07:39 PM
–	Sex robots are imminent It sounds good yes, but its not a realistic option which most men understand. These type of robots are likely never going to exist.	/r/PurplePillDebate	02/04/26 07:38 PM
–	Sex robots are imminent This is the equivalent of all the people who said we would have flying cars by the 2000s. You have no clue what the rate of development of this technology will be and what is really possible. You can hope that the sex robots you want eventually exist, but there isn't strong evidence its gonna happen.	/r/PurplePillDebate	02/04/26 07:36 PM
–	Sex robots are imminent I am all for sex robots but at this point these things are basically silicon-covered mannequins with a speaker inside them. There is no internal lubrication, no jaw or throat mechanics, their arms or legs don't move or if so they move at the pace of a 90 yr old with arthritis in every joint and ofc can't support any weight. Also, the really advanced ones in the video that have tons of facial mechanics and smooth arm movements? You can't fuck those. But if it works for you then go for it.	/r/PurplePillDebate	02/04/26 07:28 PM
3	Women’s willingness to date older is a massive advantage when it comes to dating young I never argued mid-20s men should go for mid 30s. Even just 5-6 years older expands your pool by a lot.	/r/PurplePillDebate	31/03/26 08:16 PM
1	Women’s willingness to date older is a massive advantage when it comes to dating young 40% for 2 years younger, more like 10% for 4-6 years younger 21 is a big stopping point for women because under 21 men are seen as much less mature. But the messaging data shows men aged 22+ get interest from women aged 24-30 though the interest declines as the women get older.	/r/PurplePillDebate	31/03/26 07:33 PM
1	Women’s willingness to date older is a massive advantage when it comes to dating young Men aren't as choosy about looks but they are choosy about age. Also the reason young women can be so picky is that they are the most desirable for casual sex and get tons and tons of offers from men of all ages. So again, if a young, ugly guy wants to increase his chances of having casual sex he should widen his age range.	/r/PurplePillDebate	31/03/26 06:03 PM
-1	Women’s willingness to date older is a massive advantage when it comes to dating young yep and its an aspect of male pickiness that is rarely discussed	/r/PurplePillDebate	31/03/26 05:58 PM
2	Women’s willingness to date older is a massive advantage when it comes to dating young Most young men are unwilling to at least attempt to have sex with either. Men are selective about sexual attraction when it comes to age, thats my whole point.	/r/PurplePillDebate	31/03/26 05:55 PM
2	Women’s willingness to date older is a massive advantage when it comes to dating young Yes they are, especially on dating apps	/r/PurplePillDebate	31/03/26 05:54 PM
1	Women’s willingness to date older is a massive advantage when it comes to dating young I am talking about young men dating 28-30 year old women. Not 40 year old MILFs lol.	/r/PurplePillDebate	31/03/26 05:47 PM
0	Women’s willingness to date older is a massive advantage when it comes to dating young That paper talks about the marriage market, which involves older people. As men and women get older dating outcomes equalize and the vast majority of men and women 80%+ get married or find relationships. At this level where average people do fine the below average (ugly) stand out in terms of underperformance. And yes, I agree its harder as an ugly guy, but that doesn't affect my point. If anything ugly guys should be even more willing to widen their age ranges and not just chase after the most …	/r/PurplePillDebate	31/03/26 05:45 PM
1	Women’s willingness to date older is a massive advantage when it comes to dating young Im not talking about 22 year old men dating 40 year old women, moreso 22 year old men dating 28 year old women. But yeah, at least we can agree widening the age range would increase the chance of finding hookups.	/r/PurplePillDebate	31/03/26 05:44 PM
–	Women’s willingness to date older is a massive advantage when it comes to dating young Yes, I left this out but its very important. In the future the proportion of young women is going to be even smaller, so competition is going to be insane.	/r/PurplePillDebate	31/03/26 05:37 PM
1	Women’s willingness to date older is a massive advantage when it comes to dating young Its not gonna solve male loneliness but enough older women are open to dating/having sex with younger men that it would help if men widened their horizon. Especially when we consider casual sex. You can't deny that it would be way easier for a 22 year old man to get casual sex if they considered women age 19-28 compared to only trying to attract women 19-22.	/r/PurplePillDebate	31/03/26 05:35 PM
4	Women’s willingness to date older is a massive advantage when it comes to dating young Many are, on average a 28 year old woman sends more messages to a 25 year old man than a 32 year old man for example. But even if its not suddenly super easy, widening the net of possible people you would date would definitely increase the chances of success. Especially when we consider casual sex. You can't deny that it would be way easier for a 22 year old man to get casual sex if they considered women age 19-28 compared to only trying to attract women 19-22.	/r/PurplePillDebate	31/03/26 05:33 PM
–	This sub’s idea of the “average man” is way off from the general population. Your top link is just about sexual activity since turning 18 not dating. The bottom link is about teen gen z not having dated. I guess an 18 year old is an "adult" but I would consider "adult gen z" to be more in the 23-27 age range.	/r/PurplePillDebate	16/11/25 03:42 PM
1	Marriage doesn't make Men the happiest group because they are married Divorced men are equally as happy as never married men https://ifstudies.org/blog/exploring-the-happiness-premium-for-ever-married-men	/r/PurplePillDebate	07/11/25 08:16 PM
3	Marriage doesn't make Men the happiest group because they are married If you compare men with equal income, levels of fitness, social connections, the married one is more happy. Why do you think that is?	/r/PurplePillDebate	07/11/25 08:14 PM
4	This sub is an objectively bad example of what average men are like in real life because there’s over-representation of autistic/socially incompetent men here If you believe certain behaviors and values are good you should practice them, unless you are a bad person. But yes just being kind and virtuous doesn't make you attractive to women (on its own). It can make you more attractive though: “Gross and Crofton presented a photograph of a (fictional) female student attached with verbal descriptions of her personality. Male and female participants gave higher physical attractiveness ratings under the condition of favorable descriptions (e.g., generous, …	/r/PurplePillDebate	03/11/25 08:14 PM
1	This sub is an objectively bad example of what average men are like in real life because there’s over-representation of autistic/socially incompetent men here Depends on what survey you look at. Others have it as low as 50% with singleness for women being between 40-45% The pew survey is especially strange for the 29% gap in singleness between women and men. This gap has not been replicated in other surveys and has even shown to be nonexistent in the 2024 GSS data. https://nuancepill.substack.com/p/further-evidence-against-the-pew-singleness-gender-gap https://nuancepill.substack.com/p/2024-update-to-the-gss-sexlessness-graph	/r/PurplePillDebate	03/11/25 04:50 PM
2	This sub is an objectively bad example of what average men are like in real life because there’s over-representation of autistic/socially incompetent men here It was posted on this sub around a year ago with the raw data included. https://docs.google.com/spreadsheets/d/1RSUIqKbC49RwEkInvgvpHIQ0gvMaI2EhEIJsWRAnTR8/edit?usp=sharing&pli=1&authuser=0 This is a link to the raw data	/r/PurplePillDebate	03/11/25 04:46 PM
8	This sub is an objectively bad example of what average men are like in real life because there’s over-representation of autistic/socially incompetent men here The PPD subreddit survey found about 30% of the male subreddit users were virgins. Of those virgins, around 50% were above the age of 24 the other 50% were ages 18-24. Overall 70% of the male users were over 25 and around 60% of that age group is single, definitely higher than a random sample of that age group. However its not that crazy considering reddit users skew younger and are more autistic/awkward. These are around the numbers I would expect from any subreddit, I dunno if PPD is especiall…	/r/PurplePillDebate	03/11/25 02:58 AM
1	This sub’s idea of the “average man” is way off from the general population. What study says "~30% of adult Gen Z have never dated"	/r/PurplePillDebate	02/11/25 05:11 PM
1	This sub’s idea of the “average man” is way off from the general population. Can you link those studies? I remember seeing that ~45% of gen Z men didn't have relationships in their teens. Is that what you are referring to?	/r/PurplePillDebate	01/11/25 08:33 PM
3	Most women aren't honest about dating apps and finding relationships Evidence of what? It is not evidence that most men don't ever get any romantic or sexual attention, which is what you are claiming	/r/PurplePillDebate	01/11/25 04:33 PM
0	Most women aren't honest about dating apps and finding relationships Most men have relationships and at least monthly sexual activity. https://www.pewresearch.org/social-trends/2020/08/20/a-profile-of-single-americans/ https://jamanetwork.com/journals/jamanetworkopen/fullarticle/2767066 What is your evidence that most men don't ever get any romantic or sexual attention?	/r/PurplePillDebate	31/10/25 06:58 PM
0	20 year old women don't want middle aged or geriatric men the way these men want them Okay	/r/PurplePillDebate	29/10/25 08:17 PM
2	20 year old women don't want middle aged or geriatric men the way these men want them Well we have very different ideas of what a "provider man" means. I am referring to the general idea that men should make a good income to support their family. Most people agree with this: "Roughly seven-in-ten adults (71%) say it is very important for a man to be able to support a family financially to be a good husband or partner. By comparison, 32% say it’s very important for a woman to do the same to be a good wife or partner." https://www.pewresearch.org/short-reads/2017/09/20/americans-se…	/r/PurplePillDebate	29/10/25 08:14 PM
3	20 year old women don't want middle aged or geriatric men the way these men want them The idea that men should be "providers" within relationships is pretty widespread. Men don't see "provider" men as losers/creeps/weirdos, a lot of dudes are jealous of men who can provide a good life for their partner. If you love someone and are building a family together it makes sense to want to deliver economic stability. I don't think that makes you a simp or a betabuxx. I agree on the PPB stuff though.	/r/PurplePillDebate	29/10/25 07:46 PM
1	20 year old women don't want middle aged or geriatric men the way these men want them I don't see a lot of the first kind.	/r/PurplePillDebate	29/10/25 06:50 PM
3	If you lack options for ltr as a male you aren't avg Yes the goalposts always shift and you end up at a circular argument. "80% of men get no attention from women" - Well if you look at STD, marriage rates, and partner count data thats not true at all "Well if they aren't in the top 20% the women aren't attracted to them" - How do you know that? "Women are only attracted to the top 20% of men" - How do you know that? "Women aren't attracted to 80% of men"	/r/PurplePillDebate	29/10/25 06:46 PM
4	Don't Take The Personality Pill. Ok but you aren't hot enough to act however you want so you need a good personality too	/r/PurplePillDebate	27/10/25 08:02 PM
2	Don't Take The Personality Pill. Personality is only irrelevant IF you can compensate for it by having insane good looks. For most people personality matters: Research has found personality matters in terms of sustaining relationships (wow big shocker): https://www.researchgate.net/publication/382253515_A_Worldwide_Test_of_the_Predictive_Validity_of_Ideal_Partner_Preference_Matching Correlated ratings of partner competence in a variety of skills and traits (honesty, sex, etc) to relationship satisfaction. Found the traits which…	/r/PurplePillDebate	27/10/25 07:44 PM
–	Some men never have a sexual prime Most men never get the attention (for casual sex) women do because men are far more likely to seek out casual sex for a myiad of reasons including the orgasm gap, sex differences in impulsivity, double standards socially, and differences in sexual attraction. So even though most women don't engage in casual sex very frequently the interest and offers she gets from men will far exceed any interest men get. However, with all this being considered I wouldn't say the woman is "settling" dating someo…	/r/PurplePillDebate	27/10/25 12:29 AM
6	Not everyone needs to play the field, but everyone must have a "young" romance first. For the first link you read it wrong, its ages 18-24 not 24. 40% virginity within that age range is possible if they sampled heavily from the 18-20 range. Also the second link is interesting but seems to contradict the first link, if 40% of people aged 18-24 were virgins you would expect the percent of virgins at 22 to be higher but its a bit lower. For the second link they didn't perform their own survey its a report using data from other sources but they don't include where they got the data f…	/r/PurplePillDebate	27/10/25 12:15 AM
1	How do men view fwb/casual sex relationships? I laughed when I read your comment	/r/PurplePillDebate	26/10/25 05:31 PM
1	How do men view fwb/casual sex relationships? lol	/r/PurplePillDebate	26/10/25 05:28 PM
8	Not everyone needs to play the field, but everyone must have a "young" romance first. I am not talking about men under 25, I said men aged exactly 25. Virginity decreases logarithmically, around 50% of men are virgins at 18, 20% of men are virgins at 22 and this goes down to around 5% at 25. So overall its closer to 20% when you look at the 18-25 age range. But my point is that its very rare for a man to hit 25 and especially 30 with no romantic or sexual experience.	/r/PurplePillDebate	26/10/25 05:23 PM
10	Not everyone needs to play the field, but everyone must have a "young" romance first. This is fairly rare. Only about 5% of men are virgins at age 25 and about 1% are virgins at 30. Single adults who have never been in a relationship have a median age of 24. Only around 6% of men aged 40 have never been in a relationship. https://www.pewresearch.org/social-trends/2020/08/20/a-profile-of-single-americans/ https://datepsychology.com/are-27-of-young-men-really-virgins-and-why/	/r/PurplePillDebate	26/10/25 02:53 PM
1	I feel like most mens' lives are decided as early as middle school I'm sorry you feel that way	/r/PurplePillDebate	26/10/25 01:38 PM
3	This sub’s idea of the “average man” is way off from the general population. Dating apps don't fully make your point. Yes the top percentage of men get most of the likes but that doesn't mean they end up dating all the women. Research has found that when you randomly sample a set of dating app users men are as likely to have met someone from the app as women. This is because men get fewer likes but swipe more and go on more dates which makes up the difference. https://link.springer.com/article/10.1007/s40806-019-00222-z All the stuff about Islam is interesting, I can't r…	/r/PurplePillDebate	26/10/25 02:53 AM
2	Female written romantic literature is insanely patriarchal I agree with this.	/r/PurplePillDebate	25/10/25 09:59 PM
0	Women don't view sex the same way men do (referring to previous post). Mutual does not mean equal it just means shared (at least to me). We can infer that men are more attracted to their female partners then reverse, yes, but this does not disprove that mutual attraction exists.	/r/PurplePillDebate	25/10/25 09:58 PM
1	Women don't view sex the same way men do (referring to previous post). "Being looked at with disgust as if you were a Leper or a hobo." What is your evidence this happens? "men always have to date LOWER" I disagree, I have posted evidence people generally date those who are around their physical attractiveness level (even if they prefer people who are more attractive). What is your evidence to the contrary?	/r/PurplePillDebate	25/10/25 09:55 PM
0	Female written romantic literature is insanely patriarchal I thought you were asking for a framework about which lifestyles led to greater success in marriage.	/r/PurplePillDebate	25/10/25 09:53 PM
7	Female written romantic literature is insanely patriarchal I sort of agree with you. Women ideally want a dominant man who is successful but who is also obsessed with them and emotionally open (to an extent). Redpill teaches men to be dominant and successful (good) but emotionally empty and closed-off (bad). Also the books are very exaggerated and supernormal. Women aren't actually looking for shredded billionaires because they know thats silly. But they still want a relatively successful and attractive guy.	/r/PurplePillDebate	25/10/25 09:50 PM
2	Female written romantic literature is insanely patriarchal Look at the actual divorce rate. Marriages between college educated couples are much less likely to end in divorce (~30%) compared to marriages of less educated couples ~55%	/r/PurplePillDebate	25/10/25 09:48 PM
1	Most Low Status men (ugly, autistic, short,etc..) rejected by society and by women become alcoholics (some hide it well, others not so muhc) and create problems for everyone else involved. And it seems that no one wants to adress this issue. It's society's fault this is a systematic issue, CMV Where is your evidence for this?	/r/PurplePillDebate	25/10/25 09:27 PM
0	Women don't view sex the same way men do (referring to previous post). Nothing you has linked so far has proven this claim. This shows that men prioritize physical attractiveness more then women when selecting partners. Your other study showed women will trade off attractiveness for resources, they will select a less attractive male partner with resources over a broke guy who is very attractive. None of this proves "mutual strong physical attraction is quite rare for heterosexual couples"	/r/PurplePillDebate	25/10/25 09:16 PM
3	Women don't view sex the same way men do (referring to previous post). What to you mean by "treated like shit"? Also you are wrong about "average Men can only get relationships from ugly women" People tend to date those of similar physical attractiveness: https://www.sciencedirect.com/science/article/abs/pii/S0191886924001909?via%3Dihub https://www.science.org/doi/10.1126/sciadv.abm5629 Contrary to people might expect, this effect is stronger for couples who were NOT friends first: https://pubmed.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/26068893/ By the way this doesn't mean people don't …	/r/PurplePillDebate	25/10/25 08:38 PM
1	Women don't view sex the same way men do (referring to previous post). Can you link a source that shows "mutual strong physical attraction is quite rare for heterosexual couples"	/r/PurplePillDebate	25/10/25 08:24 PM
6	This sub’s idea of the “average man” is way off from the general population. I agree. Any post, red, black, or blue pilled that makes declarative statements about a fact of the world (most men are single, most women cheat, etc) needs to have at least one source for their claims. All the posts about "women only date 5% of men" would disappear overnight.	/r/PurplePillDebate	25/10/25 06:41 PM
1	This sub’s idea of the “average man” is way off from the general population. How high do you think it is?	/r/PurplePillDebate	25/10/25 06:38 PM
2	This sub’s idea of the “average man” is way off from the general population. How do you explain pew finding women are cohabitating at near double the rate of other surveys administered at the same time period? Your answers: -polygyny: These are cohabitating relationships. Meaning either a man has to live with multiple women at the same time (switching where they sleep every night I guess) or a bunch of women all live with the same man. Neither is happening. -Women are dating older men: I agree this is happening but why is it so much more prevalent in the pew study compar…	/r/PurplePillDebate	25/10/25 06:34 PM
1	This sub’s idea of the “average man” is way off from the general population. Its not a "sampling criticism". It literally is just oversampled. In the 2022 National Health Interview Survey, 2024 GSS, 2023 Survey Center on American Life, and 2022 APS, percentage of young women cohabiting or married was between 35-38%. This number was 66% of young women in the 2023 Pew survey. How do you explain a near doubling of cohabiting women within the same time period? "The average man under 40 needs sex 3 times a week minimum, many needing more." Where are you getting this from? I l…	/r/PurplePillDebate	25/10/25 02:40 PM
4	This sub’s idea of the “average man” is way off from the general population. Being currently single does not mean chronically single. People take this pew result to say that 60% of men are loser incels who never get attention from women. The reality is that only around 5% of men aged 40 have never had a relationship and around 80% of men have sex every year. https://www.pewresearch.org/short-reads/2023/06/28/a-record-high-share-of-40-year-olds-in-the-us-have-never-been-married/ https://jamanetwork.com/journals/jamanetworkopen/fullarticle/2767066#google_vignette This pew …	/r/PurplePillDebate	25/10/25 01:19 PM
1	An hugely understated "purgatory" for men is being stuck in the "zone" between average and the top 10% yeah but I don't think life was a mistake	/r/PurplePillDebate	24/10/25 03:06 PM
2	An hugely understated "purgatory" for men is being stuck in the "zone" between average and the top 10% Its funny how people see child slaves building iphones, millions of animals being tortured every year to provide meat, and tortures/genocides happening globally but what really pushes them into "life was a mistake" is seeing 6/10 men forced to date 4/10 women.	/r/PurplePillDebate	24/10/25 03:03 AM
–	"Just talk to women as people" and its even worse when you realize they genuinely like you as a person, yet none of them sees you "that way" So why do you deserve an attractive woman?	/r/PurplePillDebate	21/10/25 02:33 AM
1	If men only want you sexually and not romantically, that is a personality issue It could be a looks issue. The looks standard for casual sex is different then the looks standard for relationships. So maybe she isn't hot enough to be relationship material. Redpillers admit this when they attack average women for sleeping with chad. I have never heard anyone say "your personality is too shit, maybe date a guy with a similarly shit personality" it is ALWAYS "oh you got P&D by chad? Maybe try dating a 5'6 guy next".	/r/PurplePillDebate	16/10/25 09:50 PM
3	Most women aren’t good enough for relationships for most men This doesn't align with any of my relationships or those of my family and friends. Generally anywhere from 70-80% of men report feeling positive in their relationships. So I don't know where you are getting this from. I am sure it happens but you are claiming this is "most women" and not backing it up at all. Basically the same as those feminist rants about how most men only want sex from women and are incapable of love, also with 0 evidence.	/r/PurplePillDebate	13/10/25 03:16 AM
1	Why do you guys insist that a woman's income and career doesn't matter, while also complaining about women "settling" for stable providers? Men will fuck women they wouldn't take back to their parents or introduce to their friends.	/r/PurplePillDebate	13/10/25 12:59 AM
29	Men who dated "experienced" women, how do you deal with the fact that your partner likely hooked up with guys hotter than you? I don't care if my partner has hooked up with people hotter then me. I care if they are being a good partner and meeting my needs. I might care if I felt our investment was at totally different levels (I was a virgin and she had past partners or she was my first love and I wasn't for her, etc). But I have had sex plenty of times and fallen in love before. I expect my partner to have experience too and come from a mature perspective. I am not trying to bring back the butterflies of first love, I …	/r/PurplePillDebate	13/10/25 12:50 AM
15	Dating is insanely inequal and unfair for men, yet no one’s adressing it even though it affects fundamental human 70% of men are still in relationships and around 50% have sex at least once a week. Around 20% of men are sexless every year. So this is not a few top males with large harems. Maybe we get there eventually but I doubt it.	/r/PurplePillDebate	09/10/25 09:13 PM
8	Dating is insanely inequal and unfair for men, yet no one’s adressing it even though it affects fundamental human Relationships are about forming a specific, intimate, emotional bond with someone. If you don't actually have a bond its not really a relationship, its some form of coerced or forced interaction. So its impossible for someone to "deserve" a relationship because you either form a bond or you don't. And you can't "deserve" to form an emotional bond with someone because you can't control other's feelings. Some people really struggle to form bonds with others and some can do it easily. Life isn't fa…	/r/PurplePillDebate	09/10/25 09:06 PM
0	Average man could put more effort in his appearance and it wouldn't change a thing I agree with that. My point is that people are being given the ability to procreate and ruining it by obsessing if their girlfriend secretly likes chad better.	/r/PurplePillDebate	09/10/25 09:01 PM
–	Men are dumb and vote against their economic interest for some perceived macho reason Its not semantics. You are calling something slavery that isn't slavery. Use a different word if you don't want people calling you out.	/r/PurplePillDebate	09/10/25 08:56 PM
-1	The advice that “men need to stop showing interest in order to actually attract women” only works for certain top % men. It’s horrible advice and a catch 22 situation. But its not unchangeable. Attraction can grow and shift.	/r/PurplePillDebate	07/10/25 08:23 PM
3	The advice that “men need to stop showing interest in order to actually attract women” only works for certain top % men. It’s horrible advice and a catch 22 situation. I could say the same thing about you. You tell men that self-improvement and putting effort into their appearance won't help them in dating. That is equally as destructive.	/r/PurplePillDebate	07/10/25 08:21 PM
2	The advice that “men need to stop showing interest in order to actually attract women” only works for certain top % men. It’s horrible advice and a catch 22 situation. I agree and thats also why its stupid when people say showing effort and interest is a sign you are an oofy-doofy and can't build natural attraction. "If she doesn't approach you first she will never find you attractive", "chad doesn't have to approach", is fairly common to hear in blackpill circles and leads men to just giving up completely.	/r/PurplePillDebate	07/10/25 08:18 PM
2	Men are dumb and vote against their economic interest for some perceived macho reason How does that meet any definition of slavery? I guess you can say men are mistreated by society or discriminated but that wouldn't make them slaves. By the way you can say the exact same thing about black people with regards to bias in education, employment, criminal courts, healthcare, and cultural vilification. So are black people still enslaved?	/r/PurplePillDebate	06/10/25 06:59 PM
0	Average man could put more effort in his appearance and it wouldn't change a thing "The argument is that the men are betabuxx oofy-doofys who are about to get deadbedroomed." You haven't made an argument for this. Argument is premise, evidence, conclusion. You have the premise, where is the evidence?	/r/PurplePillDebate	05/10/25 02:08 PM
1	Average man could put more effort in his appearance and it wouldn't change a thing So you either spend money and time and maybe fail and are miserable or you never try and are still miserable. I'd rather do the option that at least gives me some chance of success, you only get one life after all. Something guys definitely have control over is how they view themselves and their relationships. This is why I push back on a lot of the blackpill thinking because it create insecurities that make it impossible to ever be happy. BP thinking creates this world of insecurity where your …	/r/PurplePillDebate	05/10/25 02:04 PM
5	Average man could put more effort in his appearance and it wouldn't change a thing The way plenty of dudes talk about it finding a partner is a matter of life and death. I see dudes saying they have no hope, are considering ending their lives, and are generally miserable over their lack of dating success. If not finding a partner will literally destroy your life and leave you miserable forever then its worth all the money and time you can possibly invest to avoid that.	/r/PurplePillDebate	04/10/25 09:11 PM
1	Average man could put more effort in his appearance and it wouldn't change a thing Lol you say the GSS (one of the largest most validated public health surveys administered by the best researchers in the country) is too inaccurate but you come up with this. Very few men are victims of paternity fraud https://insidestory.org.au/the-fatherhood-myth/ This is a good article breaking it down. The number is likely between 1-3%. But you are saying "most" men are unknowingly raising another man's kid, so at least 50 percent?	/r/PurplePillDebate	04/10/25 08:04 PM
2	Average man could put more effort in his appearance and it wouldn't change a thing They line up with STD data and there are many tools statisticians use to validate accuracy of results. https://datepsychology.com/is-self-reported-sexual-partner-data-accurate/ Yes the results aren't going to be perfectly accurate but they can provide general understandings of trends. The idea that 70% of men report being in relationships but really its 20% is just silly.	/r/PurplePillDebate	04/10/25 07:56 PM
2	Average man could put more effort in his appearance and it wouldn't change a thing The 80/20 rule has never been demonstrated in any dating outcomes. More than 20% of men are in relationships (its around 45% for men under 30 and around 70% overall) More than 20% of men are sexually active (around 60% have sex at least a few times a month, about 20% are sexless every year). And AFBB has no real meaning. I have heard it described in 50 different ways.	/r/PurplePillDebate	04/10/25 05:35 PM
1	Average man could put more effort in his appearance and it wouldn't change a thing Yeah most men can't get consistent casual sex with average or above women. You need to show some signs of commitment. If you don't want to commit then you have to be chad.	/r/PurplePillDebate	04/10/25 03:03 PM
1	Average man could put more effort in his appearance and it wouldn't change a thing Many genetically average men don't meet the other requirements. They live with their parents or have a shit job or no hobbies or friends or never went to college.	/r/PurplePillDebate	04/10/25 02:38 PM
-1	Average man could put more effort in his appearance and it wouldn't change a thing Average women will date average men but won't have casual sex with them. And I am talking average in "genetic quality" here average in facial structure and height. You need to have your shit together in terms of career and housing, education, fitness, which would make you above average overall.	/r/PurplePillDebate	04/10/25 02:31 PM
0	Average man could put more effort in his appearance and it wouldn't change a thing If you are going after young, attractive women for relationships or average women for casual sex then you are competing with chad and brad. If you are willing to commit to average women or go after ugly and fat women for casual sex then you aren't competing with them. This is assuming you can get to around a 5 and have the other aspects of your life in order like career, place to live, etc. If you can't get yourself to a 5 your only option is committing to ugly women. That is still an option tho…	/r/PurplePillDebate	04/10/25 02:19 PM
18	Average man could put more effort in his appearance and it wouldn't change a thing Maybe a 1 will become a 2 by changing his clothes and doing skincare. That is still improvement though. He is becoming more attractive. But would still need to do way more to meet the threshold.	/r/PurplePillDebate	04/10/25 01:11 PM
-5	Average man could put more effort in his appearance and it wouldn't change a thing Its not about competing with chad its about making yourself more attractive. Dressing better and having clean skin does make you more attractive. Clean skin especially is a sign of physical health whereas having big pimples and acne is literally disgusting. Dressing well can help you fit into a niche dating market and just generally shows maturity. But yes you won't be more attractive then chad. The good news is that women don't only date chad. Try to maximize your potential and dressing well an…	/r/PurplePillDebate	04/10/25 01:09 PM
0	Men are dumb and vote against their economic interest for some perceived macho reason Wouldn't getting rid of abortion make that worse? Now even more women would be forced to raise chad's kid and then need tax money to support it. Also most men aren't sexless and the ones who are are overwhelmingly in the under 30 age bracket which does not pay as much tax. So no most taxes are not paid by sexless men.	/r/PurplePillDebate	04/10/25 01:03 PM
3	Men are dumb and vote against their economic interest for some perceived macho reason How are men slaves? I can't think of any definition of slavery that would fit the experience of the average dude. Unless you think slavery is just when you pay taxes.	/r/PurplePillDebate	04/10/25 12:57 PM
1	A man’s ability to attract women has nothing to do with whether or not he’s a good person Hm well that seems like the logical solution if you have a large population of both single mothers and single men and you don't want either of them to be single.	/r/PurplePillDebate	29/09/25 02:27 AM
1	A man’s ability to attract women has nothing to do with whether or not he’s a good person I see, you are saying men should date single mothers. This way the single mothers are no longer single and the men aren't single. Interesting idea.	/r/PurplePillDebate	29/09/25 02:04 AM
1	A man’s ability to attract women has nothing to do with whether or not he’s a good person Men cheat more often than women (or about as often) so why is this a woman behavior?	/r/PurplePillDebate	29/09/25 02:03 AM
1	The majority of marriage issues are caused by the fact that women look at marriage like a "coming-of-age" celebration. If a divorce occurs within a college-educated couple it is more likely that the woman initiated it but overall college-educated couples divorce at much lower rates.	/r/PurplePillDebate	29/09/25 01:52 AM
3	The majority of marriage issues are caused by the fact that women look at marriage like a "coming-of-age" celebration. No its more like 40% for first marriages and this drops to around 25% for college educated women. Still a decent chance but why use this to judge all women.	/r/PurplePillDebate	24/09/25 05:02 PM
5	The majority of marriage issues are caused by the fact that women look at marriage like a "coming-of-age" celebration. Why restrict your view to marriages that end in divorce if you are using that to pass judgements on all women?	/r/PurplePillDebate	24/09/25 03:57 PM
7	The majority of marriage issues are caused by the fact that women look at marriage like a "coming-of-age" celebration. Median first marriage length is 21 years. I don't think that lines up with the idea that "women never wanted to be wives" I think it moreso lines up with the idea that marriages often fail for a multitude of reasons.	/r/PurplePillDebate	24/09/25 03:49 PM
1	I think boyfriend/husband material is more validating No its not the same because money is something you accrue over time and always need. Most women only want to be fertile in a small portion of their life so they can have 1-2 kids. Thats why they go on birth control. Everyone always needs money. And men don't actually care about fertility they want sex because sex feels good. So both men and women are hijacking our bodies' desire for reproduction to get something. Men get a good feeling without the risk of raising a kid. Women get that and the ab…	/r/PurplePillDebate	24/09/25 03:14 PM
2	A large amount of women who want LTRs don’t actually like them in practice epitome of the just world fallacy right here	/r/PurplePillDebate	23/09/25 02:17 AM
1	I think boyfriend/husband material is more validating yes if you believe that every single time women hook up its with chad.	/r/PurplePillDebate	22/09/25 05:07 PM
1	I think boyfriend/husband material is more validating I agree that women aren't likely to settle for men they aren't attracted to. Therefore, if you are in a relationship with a woman she likely finds you attractive and being "boyfriend material" is not an indictment of your physical characteristics.	/r/PurplePillDebate	22/09/25 05:06 PM
2	I think boyfriend/husband material is more validating In an esoteric sense yes they are attached but practically fertility and sexual desirability are separate due to birth control. The use of makeup, plastic surgery, and digital filtering means that physical signs of aging can also be increasingly compensated for. Also if you consider the length of a woman's fertile window and the fact that the average woman only wants 1-2 kids then having some casual sex is not really that big of a deal in terms of "wasting fertility" especially considering at th…	/r/PurplePillDebate	22/09/25 05:03 PM
1	I think boyfriend/husband material is more validating Lol if you say so. I already pointed out how this way of thinking is really silly, women are not perfect hypergamy machines.	/r/PurplePillDebate	22/09/25 03:41 AM
2	I think boyfriend/husband material is more validating Yeah and I think in that case obsessing about "would she have hooked up with me 10 years ago" is pointless and destined to lead to insecurity. If she really thinks you are physically unattractive there are other ways to figure that out.	/r/PurplePillDebate	22/09/25 03:22 AM
1	I think boyfriend/husband material is more validating "If a woman has sex with you without earning your investment, it is often a compliment to your great genetic material." Or she could be drunk or young and stupid. I know tons of women who had sexual encounters they regret with guys they weren't that into. If you are in a certain subculture or social group that encourages casual sex then its easy to make dumb decisions. People act like women are these cold calculating hypergamy machines immediately locking onto the nearest chad to extract his see…	/r/PurplePillDebate	22/09/25 03:08 AM
3	I think boyfriend/husband material is more validating This gets tricky if a woman decides she no longer wants to do hookups. Is it the case that once she hooks up once now she needs to hook up with all subsequent boyfriends or else she doesn't really like them? Your view ignores that behavior and desires are not static, a woman might have different attitudes about sex at 21 than at 31. This doesn't necessarily mean she finds the men less attractive.	/r/PurplePillDebate	22/09/25 02:59 AM
2	I think boyfriend/husband material is more validating It depends on the framing and who is saying it but I generally agree. People make a big deal about hookups online but relationships are what really matters emotionally in the grand scheme of things. Sure there are probably people out there still thinking about a former hookup but for the most part the people with the greatest impact (positive and negative) on our lives are those we form LTRs with. To pretend like being a husband and a father is inconsequential or meaningless whereas having a ONS…	/r/PurplePillDebate	22/09/25 02:56 AM
–	Why should women treat you like a Chad ? If I found out that I could be paid 100k I would be mad at myself for not effectively advocating for something I need. But I behave the same in relationships, I take it as my responsibility to make sure my partner knows what my needs are and if they don't meet them I move on. What is silly is not listening to your own needs and basing your standards off a nebulous understanding of how they may have acted in the past. And what if someones best effort is literally worse? What if the best someone c…	/r/PurplePillDebate	18/09/25 03:14 PM
13	Rejection is Humiliating to Men. Im not a big "go to therapy" guy but therapy is probably a good idea here. You have a delusional perspective on other peoples view of you.	/r/PurplePillDebate	17/09/25 06:10 PM
3	Rejection is Humiliating to Men. If a woman approached you she is attracted to you but if she doesn't approach that doesn't necessarily mean she thinks you are unattractive. Easy proof. I bet you see attractive women all the time, how often do you approach them? What percentage of the attractive women you see do you actually approach? I bet its less than 1%. And yes men are less strict with their looks standards than women but the principle still stands, just because you didn't approach someone doesn't mean you think they are u…	/r/PurplePillDebate	17/09/25 06:08 PM
1	Why should women treat you like a Chad ? I acknowledge I might have to put in more work than chad because chad is super hot and I'm not. There is no girl where this isn't true unless she is blind or something. But I don't see this as analogous to the work situation. A more analogous situation would be putting in more effort but achieving worse results than a colleague who breezes to promotions by talent and luck. In that case I would say that is life and some people are just gonna be better, no use worrying if I have everything I need …	/r/PurplePillDebate	17/09/25 03:43 AM
1	Why should women treat you like a Chad ? Well if my partner has an active OLD profile then she is likely cheating which is against my preferences. I would never excuse that. "Maybe that relationship is only happy because you assume that she doesn't treat you worse than someone else and you are her one and only." No my relationship is happy because she meets all my needs and is a constant source of intimacy and affection who I can build a strong emotional connection with. Why would I care if she has the strongest feelings for me if she …	/r/PurplePillDebate	17/09/25 03:17 AM
1	Why should women treat you like a Chad ? I think we hit on a fundamental disagreement. If I am getting everything I want, I don't consider it mistreatment if someone else got a better deal for themselves. There is no perfect job where everything is fair because thats not how life works. My goal is to make sure myself and everyone I care about get what we want/need, not investigate everyone else to make sure no one is doing better. Now to answer your questions: Q: What type of mentality would cause a male to behave like this? A: Behave …	/r/PurplePillDebate	17/09/25 03:08 AM
1	Why should women treat you like a Chad ? Yeah I'm not gonna leave a great job because someone else has a better job. Maybe someone else has a better situation they don't deserve, the world isn't fair. There is also someone out there wishing they were in my position, too bad. "You are just pretending not to care" Lol ok, if you say so. If I felt the woman was worth pursing, then I would pursue her. If she was attractive, compatible, met all my needs in terms of intimacy and affection, then yeah I try and lock her down because she seems …	/r/PurplePillDebate	16/09/25 10:10 PM
1	Pair bonding a lot actually increases your ability to pair bond. Being on this subreddit might be damaging your ability to pair bond. I disagree, isolation also impairs your ability to form lasting connections. I would bet the social guy can form much deeper and lasting friendships than the isolated guy. But being more specific, people get better at anything they practice, good and bad. If someone has done tons of hookups they are good at hookups, if they have been in LTRs they are probably good at managing relationships. So yeah if someone has reached the age of 35 and their longest relationship is 3 weeks but they have done …	/r/PurplePillDebate	16/09/25 10:01 PM
1	Why should women treat you like a Chad ? Sounds like someone self-sabotaging due to internet ragebait. Again, if you are in a happy relationship that meets all your needs why fixate on the idea that the internet says she must have treated some other guy differently?	/r/PurplePillDebate	16/09/25 09:58 PM
1	Why should women treat you like a Chad ? I think these are normal things that occur in the vast majority of relationships. I guess it depends on what you mean by "lots of" and "aggressively".	/r/PurplePillDebate	14/09/25 02:55 PM
0	Pair bonding a lot actually increases your ability to pair bond. Being on this subreddit might be damaging your ability to pair bond. Sounds like circular reasoning to me. "High n count decreases pair bonding and I know this because if women can't pair bond I assume they have a high n count"	/r/PurplePillDebate	14/09/25 02:50 PM
1	Pair bonding a lot actually increases your ability to pair bond. Being on this subreddit might be damaging your ability to pair bond. Who do you think will find it difficult to make new friends, an older person who has been alone most of his life or an older person who has had tons of friends and constant social activity? Its not a linear association between experience and "pair bonding" ability. I'd argue there is definitely a sweet spot that requires experience. Very rarely are peoples first friendships and first relationships their most meaningful. Experience gives us skills and knowledge that enable us to form stronger bon…	/r/PurplePillDebate	14/09/25 02:44 PM
0	Why should women treat you like a Chad ? The average man isn't sexless...	/r/PurplePillDebate	14/09/25 02:45 AM
-1	Why should women treat you like a Chad ? Maybe he is more efficient and can get better results with much less effort? Working hard does not automatically equal success.	/r/PurplePillDebate	14/09/25 02:43 AM
1	Why should women treat you like a Chad ? What does it mean for a woman to treat a man like a chad and a man to treat a woman like a stacy?	/r/PurplePillDebate	14/09/25 02:41 AM
2	Why should women treat you like a Chad ? How do you figure out how a woman treated chad? If you are in a happy relationship that meets all your needs why fixate on the idea that the internet says she must have treated some other guy differently? I believe its useless to hold your relationships to the standards of what the internet claims "chad treatment" is. Focus on your own needs and only date someone who meets those needs.	/r/PurplePillDebate	14/09/25 02:40 AM
1	If You Were A Woman, How Would You Date? I'd wait until commitment until having sex. That would filter out a lot of the player guys but yea its still possible to get bamboozled. If that happens just move on to the next.	/r/PurplePillDebate	28/08/25 04:48 AM
0	If You Were A Woman, How Would You Date? It would be so easy. I would look for a LTR with someone who supported me and was affectionate. I'd want someone who was active physically (not necessarily muscular) and who had the drive to establish a career (not just interested in working entry-level jobs forever). As a woman I could probably find that in a week and never be single again.	/r/PurplePillDebate	27/08/25 07:30 PM
1	The problem is not being likable AND not having good looks (and being broke). They might sleep with the attractive misogynist while he is pretending to be a good guy but once his true colors come out the relationship usually ends (but the guy usually moves on before then). However I guess this is better than the unattractive good man who gets nothing.	/r/PurplePillDebate	26/08/25 08:15 PM
2	“Men are looking for clean water in a desert while women are looking for clean water in a swamp” is the most misandrist analogy I ever heard So no matter what age demo you date in only a very small portion will ever be suitable for LTRs?	/r/PurplePillDebate	10/05/25 06:22 PM
–	Women don't "owe" men relationships...But it's reasonable for men to be upset about not having them Is it ok for a chronically single guy to feel upset about it?	/r/PurplePillDebate	07/05/25 03:21 AM
–	You are not a victim just because nobody wants to date you. Loneliness and sexlessness is just an unfortunate by product of free will, which proceeds all other rights in dating Men are also entitled to those things.	/r/PurplePillDebate	26/04/25 12:55 AM
–	You are not a victim just because nobody wants to date you. Loneliness and sexlessness is just an unfortunate by product of free will, which proceeds all other rights in dating lol	/r/PurplePillDebate	26/04/25 12:48 AM
1	"Chad" is less likely to be misogynistic than a sexually inexperienced man: A study found that the more sexually experienced a man is, the more biased he is towards women. Maybe hes upset at himself.	/r/PurplePillDebate	24/04/25 06:19 PM
0	Single mothers symbolize something deeply painful to a lot of men I don't get this argument at all. They aren't dating the deadbeat dad, why would they be in the situation to be vetting his character? This post is about how men vet romantic partners and about how having kids leads to negative perceptions.	/r/PurplePillDebate	23/04/25 12:37 AM
1	What going to happen to the dating scene in 10 to 20 years? "Anything to not be alone every single night. No cost is too great, not even my soul" He said he would do literally anything, including enslaving all women, in order to get a slave wife. I was wondering if he was consistent.	/r/PurplePillDebate	21/04/25 02:36 PM
1	Wanting to matter to someone without being a healed woman's reward is not narcissism, it's human "20% who wanted a relationship were currently single" I guess thats you. Never said every single med student got a relationship, only that generally being stable (good job, emotional intelligence, family minded, etc) actually makes you more desirable.	/r/PurplePillDebate	21/04/25 12:10 PM
0	What going to happen to the dating scene in 10 to 20 years? Would you kill 100 children if it ensured you would get a slave wife?	/r/PurplePillDebate	20/04/25 04:57 PM
2	Wanting to matter to someone without being a healed woman's reward is not narcissism, it's human what is your standard for "ran through"? Either way, past partner count between partners correlates at .6 so people with more experience tend to date others with more experience.	/r/PurplePillDebate	20/04/25 02:10 PM
3	Wanting to matter to someone without being a healed woman's reward is not narcissism, it's human The most stable men tend to get snatched up the quickest. The family-oriented men who get good jobs in their early/mid 20s or show lots of potential, they don't have as much of an issue dating. Only 9 percent of med students surveyed had never been in a relationship and only 20% who wanted a relationship were currently single. https://news.med.miami.edu/are-medical-students-in-love/#:~:text=The%20State%20of%20Medical%20School,never%20been%20in%20a%20relationship The idea that the average woman i…	/r/PurplePillDebate	20/04/25 02:09 PM
1	What Will This... Topic Look Like in 40 Years? No we aren't even close. The most skewed estimates still have 40% of young men dating. 5% is just goofy.	/r/PurplePillDebate	12/04/25 09:16 PM
3	What Will This... Topic Look Like in 40 Years? "Loser" men will be able to date "loser" women (single moms, obese, mentally broken, etc) however: By then a lot of men are just burnt out from rejection and no longer want to try AI girlfriends, porn, and the constant stream of content make it so you can easily fill your free time with sexually-gratifying and entertaining things. Dating is still a lot of effort, no matter who you end up with. If men don't feel its worth it then many will just give up.	/r/PurplePillDebate	12/04/25 09:15 PM
1	What Will This... Topic Look Like in 40 Years? There are still around 30 million surplus men.	/r/PurplePillDebate	12/04/25 09:11 PM
2	What Will This... Topic Look Like in 40 Years? I'm not very optimistic but I do come from a fairly biased place right now being single and young. I think America will likely follow a similar pattern as South Korea, we are just a little behind. Also the elitism around career is not as bad as SK but is getting worse as women get higher degrees on average. - I think AI chatbots will get fairly realistic and have already shown to be attractive to men AND women. I don't think its gonna become common but definitely more utilized - People will cont…	/r/PurplePillDebate	12/04/25 09:09 PM
2	"Your value is what you can get" is a useless tautology that purely serves as a thought-terminating cliche. The "dating market" is different from an actual market because in an actual market sellers NEED to sell their products. Making gas 50/gallon would be silly because people would move to other sources of gas or energy. Yes, people need gas, but the suppliers also NEED to sell their gas. "Value" is the point at which supply and demand meet. The modern dating market is different as plenty of modern women value quality over the prospect of being alone. They would rather be alone or wait then settle f…	/r/PurplePillDebate	06/04/25 04:41 PM
3	The Overabundance of Male Validation Has Made Us Disposable The enduring biological and social factors make it so its very difficult to sell men an idea of success that doesn't involve a relationship. The best we can do is extend the timeline, "Oh its normal to have your first girlfriend in your late 20s", "Its ok to be a virgin, that just means you are saving it for someone special". That is already sort of happening by necessity, I see it in how my parents (and their friends), and my co-workers discuss relationships, but soon the broader culture will c…	/r/PurplePillDebate	06/04/25 04:04 PM
3	The Overabundance of Male Validation Has Made Us Disposable And by "valuable" I mean "worth showing affection to and creating a relationship with".	/r/PurplePillDebate	06/04/25 03:28 PM
4	The Overabundance of Male Validation Has Made Us Disposable The issue is women don't see male attention as valuable because they don't see the majority of men, either because of their intentions or their own capabilities, as valuable. Decreasing the amount of attention won't really fix that. You have to increase the quality of men. And by "valuable" I mean "worth showing affection to and creating a relationship with" not "valuable as a human being".	/r/PurplePillDebate	06/04/25 02:40 PM
2	Men embrace redpill because mainstream advice is dogshit What is the mainstream? Who exactly is pushing this message? Everyone is on the internet now, by age 13 you get tons of ads and recommendations for clothes, fitness programs, you see hot influencers, etc. I cannot imagine growing up in the last 20 years and believing that your physical appearance is not important.	/r/PurplePillDebate	06/04/25 02:33 PM
3	The Overabundance of Male Validation Has Made Us Disposable Generally sexual activity correlates highest with sociosexuality (ones desire to have sex and openness towards sexual experiences), even moreso then attractiveness. The idea that not caring about sex leads to more sex is just wrong, usually the people who have the most sex really, really want to have sex. https://datepsychology.com/male-attractiveness-and-sexual-partner-count/	/r/PurplePillDebate	06/04/25 02:18 PM
4	The Overabundance of Male Validation Has Made Us Disposable Its definitely a confluence of social and biologial factors which makes it very difficult to just stop. There are clear biological reasons for this: - Men have more testosterone which increases desire for risky, casual sexual behaviors - Its much easier for a woman to get pregnant without a man (sperm bank, insemination, ez) then it is for a single guy to get a child Then there social reasons: - Men benefit more from relationships both in terms of mental health and social status https://x.com/ro…	/r/PurplePillDebate	06/04/25 02:13 PM
1	If a guy wants NSA sex he has to go to where NSA sex is "Chad" fucks from within the same pool of the 20% most promiscuous women. Thats what all the STD data, partner count, and app usage data indicates. The vast majority of women are not having casual sex with chad, but thats not necessary for chad to get laid, all he needs is a dedicated, promiscuous minority.	/r/PurplePillDebate	31/03/25 09:57 PM
3	If a guy wants NSA sex he has to go to where NSA sex is Thats not technically NSA, there are strings but they are easy to cut by ghosting the second you get bored or she wants something more serious.	/r/PurplePillDebate	31/03/25 09:54 PM
8	There is no good Bluepill Dating Manual. You keep going back to this idea of "can you teach a college freshman how to pick up hot party girls in 10 minutes" but the topic of dating is much broader than that. The RP directly encourages men to engage in hookups and "spin plates" so its gonna have very specific advice on that which would be better than the mainstream standard advice. Thats what PUA has always been about, knowing how to target and seduce women for a easy lay, and it offers detailed scripts and guides to achieve that. In te…	/r/PurplePillDebate	30/03/25 07:53 PM
1	Most provider men do not end up with traditional women "vaginal canal stitched up virgin" would be a great flair lol	/r/PurplePillDebate	29/03/25 01:38 PM
1	Women’s reliance on passive dating is self-sabotage and they know it In what sense? In terms of baseline arousal, just making me horny, that would be the more attractive (harder to attract) women. Those kind of women I could jerk off to photos of them easily, for the other kind (easier for me to attract) that would be more difficult. However that didn't really affect my performance in-person. Attraction is deeper though, it reaches a personal level where you don't just find someone hot but actually like them and want to be with them. I have only felt that deep at…	/r/PurplePillDebate	28/03/25 09:57 PM
1	Women’s reliance on passive dating is self-sabotage and they know it When did I complain? I'm just describing how different people behave. I personally suck at texting so I don't really care if someone texts me every day. What I have found though is that if texting is infrequent (less than once a day) that usually means the woman has lost interest. In all my relationships my partner asked me to text them more, and then I could tell it was about to end when they stopped caring how often I texted. I am an extreme introvert who only dates other introverts. Regardles…	/r/PurplePillDebate	28/03/25 09:48 PM
–	The real reason behind the male loneliness epidemic is that there are more happily single women than men A lot of redpillers are dudes who have a big and very sensitive ego and took rejection really hard. For catharsis they buy into revenge fantasies about the women who rejected them becoming depressed cat ladies or single moms.	/r/PurplePillDebate	28/03/25 09:10 PM
1	Women’s reliance on passive dating is self-sabotage and they know it If texting someone once every other day or complimenting them 2 times over a 3 hour date sounds exhausting to you I dunno what to say. I'd guess its because you have a low opinion of men in general so the idea of doing anything nice to a man sounds extremely draining and substantial. But that goes towards my point, if a guy is actually liked then showing interest is less draining and exhausting.	/r/PurplePillDebate	28/03/25 09:02 PM
1	Women’s reliance on passive dating is self-sabotage and they know it Based on the average dudes romantic interaction with women "super proactive" means initiating conversations more than 20% of the time and actually texting first after dates. "Constantly complimenting" means like 2-3 compliments per date. "Very little attention" means days without responses or only tiny 3 word responses or just getting ghosted Nothing has to do with 24/7 attention. If you text a guy once a day you are giving him more attention than 90% of the other women hes messaging.	/r/PurplePillDebate	28/03/25 04:37 PM
–	The real reason behind the male loneliness epidemic is that there are more happily single women than men They are just assholes I guess. Not experiencing physical intimacy does suck and there really isn't a strong replacement.	/r/PurplePillDebate	28/03/25 11:23 AM
–	The real reason behind the male loneliness epidemic is that there are more happily single women than men Women hate the idea of having sex with unattractive men and the more you beg the less attractive you are so begging for sex is never the answer.	/r/PurplePillDebate	28/03/25 11:17 AM
1	Women’s reliance on passive dating is self-sabotage and they know it Dunno where you are getting the 24/7 part from. But I think if someone is not responding to messages and never plans a date its safe to say they aren't that into me.	/r/PurplePillDebate	28/03/25 11:08 AM
–	The real reason behind the male loneliness epidemic is that there are more happily single women than men Yea while sex is definitely important for a good life "plz I just need a friend I'm so lonely and have nobody even just to chat with" is much more sympathetic than "I NEED MY DICK SUCKED RIGHT NOW OR ELSE I WILL DESTROY SOCIETY".	/r/PurplePillDebate	28/03/25 04:42 AM
–	The real reason behind the male loneliness epidemic is that there are more happily single women than men Mental health in young people is getting worse across the board but its definitely more drastic for young women I agree with that. For whatever reason though, (maybe the sexes really just don't trust each other anymore), young women don't see dating men as the solution (whereas young men seem to almost universally think dating women is the cure to their mental health issues).	/r/PurplePillDebate	28/03/25 04:05 AM
–	The real reason behind the male loneliness epidemic is that there are more happily single women than men Thats not what loneliness means though. Should we call it a male sexlessness epidemic instead?	/r/PurplePillDebate	28/03/25 04:01 AM
2	Women’s reliance on passive dating is self-sabotage and they know it Well yeah she has to at least like you somewhat but attraction can definitely build and plenty of guys play the long game for a more hotter partner rather than date someone less attractive who is more attracted to them initially. Deciding what to do is on a case-by-case basis, often its best to give up but not always.	/r/PurplePillDebate	28/03/25 04:00 AM
–	The real reason behind the male loneliness epidemic is that there are more happily single women than men You are right but your evidence is incomplete. "Relative to women, (a) men tend to be more strongly focused on romantic relationship formation, (b) men tend to benefit more from romantic relationship involvement, (c) men are less likely to initiate breakups, and (d) men tend to suffer more following relationship dissolution." https://x.com/robsica/status/1872386667245695417 So not only do men want relationships more but they also break up less and suffer more following breakups.	/r/PurplePillDebate	28/03/25 03:58 AM
14	Most provider men do not end up with traditional women Yeah it seems like over the course of a man's life education really makes no impact on whether they have kids or not. https://ofboysandmen.substack.com/p/men-without-children	/r/PurplePillDebate	27/03/25 08:55 PM
55	Most provider men do not end up with traditional women Yeah he thinks just because a man has a "provider mindset" (works at McDonalds but wants a family) a woman should pledge her entire life to raising his babies, including when she is most desirable, all for the chance that maybe he won't abandon her later leaving her with kids and 0 skills or work experience. And then he says all women who refuse are degenerate hedonists lol.	/r/PurplePillDebate	27/03/25 06:08 PM
11	Most provider men do not end up with traditional women Being "provider minded" is meaningless. Lots of early-mid 20s guys want to be a provider and yet work at gamestop and smoke weed every day. The guys who actually are putting in the work to become providers, starting a business, going to college then grad school for law/finance/med/engineering/CS, etc, tend not to struggle. Only 9 percent of med students surveyed had never been in a relationship and only 20% who wanted a relationship were currently single. https://news.med.miami.edu/are-medical-s…	/r/PurplePillDebate	27/03/25 06:05 PM
1	Most provider men do not end up with traditional women You seem to have the same mindset as a feminist who gets sexually harassed and then says "all men are rapists"	/r/PurplePillDebate	27/03/25 05:32 PM
20	Women’s reliance on passive dating is self-sabotage and they know it Well when they do get a good option they tend to jump at it. Thats at least what I've seen. If a girl really likes you its usually very, very obvious. Though honestly this gives me more respect for guys who date women who aren't that into them at first and win them over, thats the real nightmare difficulty.	/r/PurplePillDebate	27/03/25 05:30 PM
6	Women’s reliance on passive dating is self-sabotage and they know it The women who treated me better were much less attractive and had less dating experience. Some of them even told me they thought I was a catfish at first because my profile looked so good to them. So I do think I was one of their best options. As for the other women yeah they are less interested but thats because an abundance of similar options prevents them from getting attached to any individual.	/r/PurplePillDebate	27/03/25 05:28 PM
15	Most provider men do not end up with traditional women Yes because you are using "provider" as a indicator for "traditional man" when that is not the case. Its funny that for a man to be traditional he just has to make good money and want to get married but for a woman to be traditional she has to literally live like its the 1920s, getting married at age 19 with no education or job experience. These modern "provider men" are not nearly as religious, chaste, and community-oriented as a "traditional man" is expected to be. They also generally have at …	/r/PurplePillDebate	27/03/25 05:24 PM
13	Most provider men do not end up with traditional women If you choose to surround yourself with hedonistic and promiscuous women thats a reflection of you as a person.	/r/PurplePillDebate	27/03/25 05:16 PM
2	Casual sex with strangers make up a minority of casual sex encounters what do you believe then?	/r/PurplePillDebate	27/03/25 12:53 PM
93	Women’s reliance on passive dating is self-sabotage and they know it The amount of effort from the girl is related to where you stand among her other options. I could tell when I was a girl's best option, they were super proactive in texting, would ask to meet up without even needing a "date", and constantly complimented me. When I was in the average-tier (compared to her other options) I would get very little attention, ghosted frequently, and they would never plan a date. This makes sense to me, if you have an infinite supply of 6/10 dudes it doesn't make sense…	/r/PurplePillDebate	27/03/25 12:43 PM
–	Dont say “Choose Better” and then get mad at picky women with high standards. Women avoid boring guys for interesting guys. Its a lie that interesting guys are also aggressive and sociopathic, thats usually not the case.	/r/PurplePillDebate	25/03/25 10:29 PM
–	Dont say “Choose Better” and then get mad at picky women with high standards. The vast majority of hot guys (chads) are not sociopathic thugs, they are normal guys who are also hot.	/r/PurplePillDebate	25/03/25 10:26 PM
–	Dont say “Choose Better” and then get mad at picky women with high standards. Maybe thats what it means if you have delusional internet brain. The vast majority of women are not dating guys with histories of domestic abuse, face tats, and prison sentences.	/r/PurplePillDebate	25/03/25 10:22 PM
1	“Women may have it easier in dating, but that’s not the most important thing” - yes it is. I don't think you have to be an incel to see that women have a much easier time finding relationships and to be a little envious of it. The same way I can totally understand if women are envious that men are naturally bigger and stronger. Both are advantages to life. And yeah, a guy could tirelessly work on himself so he can easily find a relationship the same way where a woman could work out to the point where she is as strong as the average man. The point is that both are natural disadvantages…	/r/PurplePillDebate	20/03/25 07:42 PM
1	“Women may have it easier in dating, but that’s not the most important thing” - yes it is. I agree with this for the most part. Women do have a much easier time finding a relationship, and that is an advantage. Even if your life sucks in other ways (broke, unemployed, etc) it would still be better with a committed romantic partner giving you constant support and love.	/r/PurplePillDebate	20/03/25 07:32 PM
5	“Women may have it easier in dating, but that’s not the most important thing” - yes it is. People always say this even though its been proven that women get way more sexual requests AND relationship requests than men. If your average woman has 200 matches around 70 of them are dudes who want a relationship (around 40% of men say they use dating apps to find a LTR). The average guy in this comparison would be lucky to get 20 genuine matches total. The issue for women is figuring out which of those 200 matches want a relationship, which is exhausting and annoying and leads many women to…	/r/PurplePillDebate	20/03/25 07:28 PM
0	Women live life on easy mode. Ok but I didn't say that women have it harder, I don't know why you put that in quotes as if it was something I said.	/r/PurplePillDebate	20/03/25 02:42 PM
2	CMV Women are overly dramatic about viable dating options. Yes but research shows fat women are equally picky about partner fitness as normal weight women so it doesn't help the chances of fat men.	/r/PurplePillDebate	20/03/25 03:04 AM
73	Women live life on easy mode. "All modern women are spoiled and coddled from birth" "Men are women's slaves" "Women never feel lonely" "All women are set for life financially and can marry a millionaire" "Even extraordinarily ugly women can easily marry a man making 500k a year" These are not rational ideas. They are so warped and deluded that they obviously do not come from a place of logical assessment of the world. On any other sub this would be an over-the-top troll post but unfortunately we have to take this stuff serio…	/r/PurplePillDebate	20/03/25 02:57 AM
2	CMV Women are overly dramatic about viable dating options. Usually when people say OLD is a swamp they mean that everyone is either extremely sexual or low-value (terrible hygiene, unemployed, bad social skills, etc). I have never heard someone call OLD a swamp because "I just didn't personally like any of the guys I saw". None of this has to do with standards for a relationship, the idea of a swamp is that not only are the guys not worthy of a relationship, but the average guy on OLD is so horny and disgustingly pathetic that using the app feels like w…	/r/PurplePillDebate	16/03/25 04:23 AM
8	CMV Women are overly dramatic about viable dating options. The girl was maybe a little above average but nothing that extraordinary. The photos were given by a user of this subreddit I think, so it wasn't like he took the photos of a model or celebrity. It was a fairly average woman but she was white which is a pretty big advantage. All the 7 guys expressed interest in a relationship and offered to take the fake woman on a date. He said he could have gone further if not for the ethics of it. I don't remember one having a kid but sure, lets say he found …	/r/PurplePillDebate	15/03/25 08:59 PM
–	The average woman today is more privileged than the average man. hes gonna ignore this	/r/PurplePillDebate	15/03/25 03:29 PM
9	CMV Women are overly dramatic about viable dating options. Its tricky because standards are increasing at the same time that the "quality" of the average man is decreasing. Men on average are more fat, make less money (relatively), have fewer friends, spend more time on video games / porn, and less social than ever. Its not just that men are putting in more effort for less results, though that does definitely happen. Plenty of men are also putting in less effort socially which has a massive impact on their dating prospects.	/r/PurplePillDebate	15/03/25 03:24 PM
12	CMV Women are overly dramatic about viable dating options. Yes this whole "dating for women is a swamp" thing has already been disproven even by people in this subreddit. A guy on here won a bet by showing that using an average womans pictures he got 7 dates in under 2 days with nice, put-together guys who wanted relationships. The post got removed by mods though for some reason. If you want a relationship as a woman you can easily find eager suitors who meet all the basic requirements (good hygiene, decent job, nice, not fat).	/r/PurplePillDebate	15/03/25 03:21 PM
1	I’ll Answer the “Why Don’t Men Read Our Profiles?” Question. The major aspects of dating app elo systems are widely known. Additionally, you can ask tinder for your ranking and they will provide it. Swiping on everyone does lead to a low match rate BECAUSE you swipe on lots of people out of your league and who are not your type. Thats why I said to only swipe on people who you think you will match with. If you notice you are matching with super attractive women then good for you.	/r/PurplePillDebate	27/02/25 02:11 AM
1	I’ll Answer the “Why Don’t Men Read Our Profiles?” Question. Your score is determined by your match rate and the match rate of people who swipe on you. Having a higher match rate means a higher score. Swiping on everyone leads to an extremely low match rate, even by tinder/hinge standards. It kills your account.	/r/PurplePillDebate	26/02/25 10:46 PM
8	I’ll Answer the “Why Don’t Men Read Our Profiles?” Question. From a dating strategy perspective this is dumb. Reading the bio gives you an understanding of her basic personality archetype and interests, which influences whether she will swipe on you or not. You only want to swipe right on people you think will swipe back. For me, music choice was a big indicator, girls with similar music taste to me were much more likely to match so I prioritize them. Think about it, if you can identify traits that increase your match rate from 1% to 5% now you are gettin…	/r/PurplePillDebate	26/02/25 02:48 PM
–	Women in this subreddit are always confused about 'high standards'. Its the only option that doesn't involve revoking women's political rights or access to equal financial opportunity.	/r/PurplePillDebate	25/02/25 10:36 PM
–	Women in this subreddit are always confused about 'high standards'. how do you know this?	/r/PurplePillDebate	25/02/25 09:24 PM
–	Women in this subreddit are always confused about 'high standards'. What percent of women do you think get "used by chad"?	/r/PurplePillDebate	25/02/25 09:19 PM
–	Women in this subreddit are always confused about 'high standards'. How often does this happen?	/r/PurplePillDebate	25/02/25 09:18 PM
–	Women in this subreddit are always confused about 'high standards'. Women naturally carry much higher bodyfat than men. So women generally need to put much more effort into being skinny then men. Your average thin and toned woman probably puts in as much effort into her body as a muscular guy.	/r/PurplePillDebate	25/02/25 09:17 PM
–	Women in this subreddit are always confused about 'high standards'. If you want to help society understand that you can never bully women into dating men they don't like. The only option is to make men more attractive.	/r/PurplePillDebate	25/02/25 09:14 PM
1	Most “I want a traditional woman” claims translate to “I want a woman who can rely on me so she won’t be able to leave” I think the appeal for passport bros mostly boils down to two things: They have a infantilized and fetishized view of foreign women, seeing them mostly as sex objects who just can't resist them. They are super scared of divorce (which I understand tbh) and want to stack the deck in their favor. This means increasing their relative wealth and decreasing the likelihood that their wife even considers divorce an option. Going to a poorer country where divorce is socially discouraged accomplishes bot…	/r/PurplePillDebate	22/02/25 12:31 AM
33	Most “I want a traditional woman” claims translate to “I want a woman who can rely on me so she won’t be able to leave” Wait but I thought most men were chronically single and can never get laid ever. What kind of men are you talking about?	/r/PurplePillDebate	22/02/25 12:24 AM
–	The reason women loathe the passportbro movement is because it threatens their position in the dating market Well yeah it can't refer any sort of cultural or religious tradition because passport bros explicitly seek women from different cultures and often different religions. They mean "traditional" in terms of the power dynamics within the relationship.	/r/PurplePillDebate	21/02/25 01:36 AM
–	Its very rare for a man to find a woman who genuinely likes him for who he is as a human being, instead of what he provides. What is "bullshit"?	/r/PurplePillDebate	16/02/25 03:57 PM
–	Its very rare for a man to find a woman who genuinely likes him for who he is as a human being, instead of what he provides. Women also care about genetic quality. Thats why its harder for shorter and less attractive dudes to find dates. The idea that women only care about money is silly.	/r/PurplePillDebate	16/02/25 03:55 PM
–	Its very rare for a man to find a woman who genuinely likes him for who he is as a human being, instead of what he provides. Men are only interested in women who will provide them sex. The idea that women don't have to provide anything is silly.	/r/PurplePillDebate	16/02/25 03:47 PM
–	Its very rare for a man to find a woman who genuinely likes him for who he is as a human being, instead of what he provides. They are attracted to their looks because they want to have sex with them. If the woman doesn't provide sex then they are worthless. Either way someone has to provide something, either money or sexual access.	/r/PurplePillDebate	16/02/25 03:45 PM
–	Its very rare for a man to find a woman who genuinely likes him for who he is as a human being, instead of what he provides. The only people who will love you unconditionally are your parents and your pets. This is true for men and women.	/r/PurplePillDebate	16/02/25 03:43 PM
1	What do you assume to be the normal rate of matches the average guy on a dating app receives? This is the most accurate response I've seen so far. Everyone else is way too pessimistic about OLD.	/r/PurplePillDebate	14/02/25 10:06 PM
4	What do you assume to be the normal rate of matches the average guy on a dating app receives? https://roast.dating/blog/tinder-statistics For Tinder: Men get on average 1 match out of 40 likes 52 % of men have less than one match a day 13 % of men have less than one match a week So around 50% of men get one match a day or more, 50% get fewer than one a day. Then the bottom ~15% get less than one a week	/r/PurplePillDebate	14/02/25 10:04 PM
1	A relationship should last a minimum of four years before marriage and preferably seven I have studies with race and ethnicity but race stuff usually gets banned here. Also yes, you are sort of right about black women and white men, it is lower than white/white couples and white woman / black man couples.	/r/PurplePillDebate	14/02/25 10:01 PM
–	You can't justify loneliness by saying that some people are okay being lonely. "You can't justify loneliness by saying that some people are okay being lonely. The vast majority of mentally and physically healthy people have a craving for social relationships, romance and sex. This is a stable biological imperative." The first two lines of the post.	/r/PurplePillDebate	10/02/25 08:42 PM
–	You can't justify loneliness by saying that some people are okay being lonely. You are doing the exact thing the post is describing.	/r/PurplePillDebate	10/02/25 07:56 PM
16	My friends GF broke up with him because he only has a part time job Thats not hypergamy, its totally reasonable to want a partner who is at least willing to work full-time as an adult. The income itself matters but moreso the fact that he just doesn't want to work and is willing to go broke over it. Thats not a very attractive trait especially for a LTR.	/r/PurplePillDebate	10/02/25 04:46 PM
1	A relationship should last a minimum of four years before marriage and preferably seven You should be doing that regardless of whether you are married but yes, thats a good idea.	/r/PurplePillDebate	09/02/25 06:53 PM
2	A relationship should last a minimum of four years before marriage and preferably seven True, doctors have under a 10% divorce rate. https://x.com/Ed_of_O/status/1883518810801791072 Married people consistently report higher levels of happiness than unmarried people. Unmarried people have similar happiness ratings as divorced people. Every lifestyle choice has risk, yes there is a chance of ending up in an unhappy marriage, but I would argue if you do want a happy, stable family marriage is the best way to go. Its kind of a catch-22 in that avoiding risk can be risky in itself. Avoi…	/r/PurplePillDebate	09/02/25 06:52 PM
2	A relationship should last a minimum of four years before marriage and preferably seven Education: https://divorce-education.com/divorce-rate-by-education-level/ Age: https://ifstudies.org/blog/want-to-avoid-divorce-wait-to-get-married-but-not-too-long/ Reasons for divorce: https://sanfordbehavioralhealth.com/2021/05/25/alcohol-divorce-drinking-ruining-marriage/ Weath/income: https://read.dukeupress.edu/demography/article/60/1/147/342803/Wealth-and-Divorce https://flowingdata.com/2021/05/04/divorce-rates-and-income/ https://x.com/Ed_of_O/status/1883518810801791072/photo/4 https://x…	/r/PurplePillDebate	09/02/25 06:37 PM
1	A relationship should last a minimum of four years before marriage and preferably seven More education leads to a lower divorce rate. There are definitely confounding factors (college graduates get married older and tend to have higher income), however, even controlling for some of the factors still shows an effect. Grad school > college > some college > high school diploma > high school dropout https://divorce-education.com/divorce-rate-by-education-level/ Controlling for confounds: https://x.com/datepsych/status/1846622969579426249/photo/1	/r/PurplePillDebate	09/02/25 06:35 PM
16	A relationship should last a minimum of four years before marriage and preferably seven So theres an 80% chance of having a great life, family, etc. But lets dig into that 20% chance of divorce. Even in that case the marriage lasts usually around 20 years with 2 kids. Around 95% of divorces are described as amicable, combined with alimony only being awarded in 10% of divorces. https://www.wf-lawyers.com/divorce-statistics-and-facts/ Over 60% of men remarry and 90% say they would marry their spouse again. So I would say you have a greater chance of ruining your life if you stay unma…	/r/PurplePillDebate	08/02/25 10:48 PM
15	A relationship should last a minimum of four years before marriage and preferably seven Going from 0 to 40k income is as big a drop in divorce rate as from 40k to 400k. So even just getting out of total poverty is a massive reduction in divorce rate. Keep in mind the national divorce rate includes EVERYONE: drug addicts, abusers, totally broke people, cheaters, etc. https://read.dukeupress.edu/demography/article/60/1/147/342803/Wealth-and-Divorce	/r/PurplePillDebate	08/02/25 10:39 PM
29	A relationship should last a minimum of four years before marriage and preferably seven Don't get married too young (or too old), get college educated, have over 40k income, and don't cheat, use drugs, or abuse your spouse. Now your divorce rate is around 20%.	/r/PurplePillDebate	08/02/25 10:11 PM
2	You can't justify loneliness by saying that some people are okay being lonely. what?	/r/PurplePillDebate	08/02/25 07:59 PM
2	Marriage Is Clearly Illogical for Men Given The Statistics - God says to - You want to pass on genes - You believe you can give them a happy life and teach them skills and morals which will impart happiness onto others	/r/PurplePillDebate	08/02/25 05:03 PM
6	Marriage Is Clearly Illogical for Men Given The Statistics Lol who said anything about inflating ego? But if thats the only reason you can think of to start a family you are making the right decision in avoiding it. The institution of marriage was designed to help people start families, if you don't want a family don't get married. But that doesn't reflect poorly on marriage, thats just not what it was designed for.	/r/PurplePillDebate	08/02/25 02:48 PM
8	Marriage Is Clearly Illogical for Men Given The Statistics If you are college-educated, marry at ~30, have more than 40k income, and don't cheat, beat your spouse, or abuse drugs your divorce rate should be around 15%. Also your framing of "engine failure" is misleading. In the case of marriage being unmarried (or not going on the plane in your hypothetical) potentially has major consequences as well. Never-married people are less happy, fulfilled, and less likely to maintain a stable family. Aside from the correlations with lower happiness and fulfillm…	/r/PurplePillDebate	08/02/25 02:39 PM
18	Marriage Is Clearly Illogical for Men Given The Statistics How do women get "all the money"? Alimony is only awarded in 10% of divorces, the average child support payment is $700 a month, and women generally fare much worse financially in divorces than men.	/r/PurplePillDebate	08/02/25 01:27 PM
14	Marriage Is Clearly Illogical for Men Given The Statistics Its more like 25% for college-educated people. But if you are college-educated, marry at ~30, have more than 40k income, and don't cheat, beat your spouse, or abuse drugs your divorce rate should be around 15%. Keep in mind these population-level divorce rates include cheaters, abusers, drug users, extremely poor people, etc. If you can avoid doing those things your divorce rate will already be much lower than the overall population. Also, when considering marriage you have to consider the outco…	/r/PurplePillDebate	08/02/25 01:19 PM
3	Marriage Is Clearly Illogical for Men Given The Statistics Using population statistics for divorce is very stupid. Population statistics say that over 50% of men are overweight and weak but would you tell someone "oh don't bother working out, you are just gonna be fat and weak". No, because individual choices and circumstances matter. And you see this in the data as well. People with a college degree have a 26% divorce rate, compared to a 45% divorce rate for people with less than high school. https://divorce-education.com/divorce-rate-by-education-leve…	/r/PurplePillDebate	08/02/25 12:51 PM
3	You can't justify loneliness by saying that some people are okay being lonely. because its not, its an abnormal circumstance	/r/PurplePillDebate	08/02/25 02:39 AM
3	You can't justify loneliness by saying that some people are okay being lonely. I have seen plenty of MGTOW people generally endorse solitary lifestyles and encourage men to give up on forming relationships. Some MGTOW advocate for distancing yourself as far from society as possible until it is better for men. Every MGTOW person doesn't do this, but I would say MGTOW is a community that does occasionally justify loneliness.	/r/PurplePillDebate	07/02/25 06:11 PM
1	You can't justify loneliness by saying that some people are okay being lonely. The only people who I see directly justifying loneliness are people who intend to be lonely themselves (MGTOW guys, women who don't care about dating, etc). Otherwise, the debate isn't whether chronic loneliness is normal, its about the reasons loneliness occurs. No one thinks a lonely, 40-year-old virgin is "normal" its more who should accept responsibility for his condition. How much is it women's high standards versus factors within his control?	/r/PurplePillDebate	07/02/25 05:46 PM
1	“Needs Vs Wants” (The Truth of the Matter) A need for what? What are our goals as a society? Do we want a society of happy, fulfilled people? Does that matter?	/r/PurplePillDebate	07/02/25 04:43 PM
1	“Needs Vs Wants” (The Truth of the Matter) A need for what? Just saying "need" lacks context. What is it needed (or not needed) for?	/r/PurplePillDebate	07/02/25 04:20 PM
3	“Needs Vs Wants” (The Truth of the Matter) yep. Anyone who wants to force people to have sex is a monster.	/r/PurplePillDebate	07/02/25 04:17 PM
3	“Needs Vs Wants” (The Truth of the Matter) Do you think as a society we should create structures to help people achieve "good lives"? That could be subsidized college education, community social groups, etc Or should we consider someone fully taken care of as long as they aren't dead?	/r/PurplePillDebate	07/02/25 03:58 PM
2	“Needs Vs Wants” (The Truth of the Matter) In my experience telling someone who has never experienced love or emotional intimacy to "grow the heck up" hasn't helped.	/r/PurplePillDebate	07/02/25 03:44 PM
2	“Needs Vs Wants” (The Truth of the Matter) Yes, but need for what? If we are talking needs for survival you are generally correct. But if we expand that to "what is needed for a good life" its not as universal.	/r/PurplePillDebate	07/02/25 03:41 PM
0	“Needs Vs Wants” (The Truth of the Matter) The vast majority of people need access to sex and emotional intimacy to have a happy and fulfilled life. Some people can fully meet their needs through friends and family but some can't and require a romantic partner to feel emotionally fulfilled. Being emotionally fulfilled and happy is not a "need" in the sense that it is not required to maintain the basic biological functions of survival but for many a life without it is not worth living. Maybe they should get over themselves and stop being …	/r/PurplePillDebate	07/02/25 03:27 PM
3	Stating that sex and intimacy for men is a need, isn’t a proposal for sexual slavery. This is a common strawman that women propose because it would be ethically uncomfortable to acknowledge this being true. You aren't gonna die without sex but the vast majority of people need sex and intimacy to have a good life. Thats why its sad tons of young people are giving up on dating. At least 90% of those people will seriously regret it later.	/r/PurplePillDebate	06/02/25 02:38 PM
1	The parents of boys have an obligation to teach them about attracting women I don't think that is true but for the people it does apply to it is a very sad situation. For those people their issues go far beyond their knowledge of seduction, they likely need therapy or some sort of counseling.	/r/PurplePillDebate	04/02/25 09:56 PM
2	The parents of boys have an obligation to teach them about attracting women Lol I literally said thats what friends are for. You don't have to work this out alone, your friends are there going through the same issues as you, your parents are there to provide help. My point is that you have to set your direction, its not on your parents to plan out your seduction strategy.	/r/PurplePillDebate	04/02/25 04:11 PM
3	The parents of boys have an obligation to teach them about attracting women No not really. Parents have an obligation to exemplify positive examples of relationships for their kids but its stupid to expect parents to be able to navigate youth dating culture when they have been detached for so long. Thats what your friends are for. Its really on the individual to figure out what kind of person they are and their ideal dating scenario. You figure this out through living, making friends, trying hobbies, and your parents can't do that for you. I agree they should encourage …	/r/PurplePillDebate	04/02/25 08:20 AM
2	Lonely people don't need to be told how to improve, they need to be told to talk to the people they're attracted to. Now. https://x.com/DKThomp/status/1886411787693621649 “men’s odds of being in a relationship today are still highly correlated with their income. Women do not typically invest in long-term relationships with men who have nothing to contribute economically.” https://x.com/datepsych/status/1861142314212827331/photo/3 About 45% of poor men are married compared to around 65% of upper middle class men and 75% of rich men. Having a good career helps immensely with dating success.	/r/PurplePillDebate	04/02/25 04:14 AM
2	Lonely people don't need to be told how to improve, they need to be told to talk to the people they're attracted to. Now. For some people the objective result of having kids and a family is very valuable.	/r/PurplePillDebate	03/02/25 06:56 PM
5	Lonely people don't need to be told how to improve, they need to be told to talk to the people they're attracted to. Now. I don't know anything about laws in Europe, my advice and perspective is geared towards the US.	/r/PurplePillDebate	03/02/25 06:50 PM
2	Lonely people don't need to be told how to improve, they need to be told to talk to the people they're attracted to. Now. Well to them having kids might be worth it. Its all about subjective desires really.	/r/PurplePillDebate	03/02/25 06:44 PM
4	Lonely people don't need to be told how to improve, they need to be told to talk to the people they're attracted to. Now. Can you link any evidence of this happening? I tried to look it up and I got nothing.	/r/PurplePillDebate	03/02/25 06:43 PM
1	Lonely people don't need to be told how to improve, they need to be told to talk to the people they're attracted to. Now. If you want to date, approaching women is part of "fixing yourself". It doesn't happen after or before.	/r/PurplePillDebate	03/02/25 06:41 PM
5	Lonely people don't need to be told how to improve, they need to be told to talk to the people they're attracted to. Now. Name one time an ugly guy has been thrown in prison for hitting on a hot woman	/r/PurplePillDebate	03/02/25 06:37 PM
2	Lonely people don't need to be told how to improve, they need to be told to talk to the people they're attracted to. Now. what if they really want kids and a family?	/r/PurplePillDebate	03/02/25 06:36 PM
8	Lonely people don't need to be told how to improve, they need to be told to talk to the people they're attracted to. Now. Has an ugly guy ever been sued for hitting on a hot woman?	/r/PurplePillDebate	03/02/25 06:23 PM
1	Lonely people don't need to be told how to improve, they need to be told to talk to the people they're attracted to. Now. What if the dude doesn't want to leave the country? Is dating hopeless?	/r/PurplePillDebate	03/02/25 06:22 PM
3	Lonely people don't need to be told how to improve, they need to be told to talk to the people they're attracted to. Now. Its very simple, being social and learning how to flirt is an essential component of self-improvement. If you are just working out and building your career you are not doing "self-improvement" correctly. You need to be leveling up your social skills and flirting at the same time. Maybe its useless if you are extremely obese and jobless or literally mentally ill or addicted to drugs, but once you get past the self-improvement stage that makes you a functional human (most people are there already)…	/r/PurplePillDebate	03/02/25 06:21 PM
1	Are men actually putting in effort when it comes to dating, or do they just think it should be easy? I got access to the article through my college so I can't link a pdf. Here is an excerpt of the methods: "Our attractiveness measures included: (1) self-ratings of overall physical attractiveness on a scale from 1 to 7 (the question read, “How physically attractive would you say members of the opposite sex think you are?”; participants were given a scale from 1 to 7 where 1 was labeled “Not at all attractive,” 4 was labeled “Average,” and 7 was labeled “Very attractive”); (2) ratings by ten oppo…	/r/PurplePillDebate	31/01/25 12:59 AM
1	Are men actually putting in effort when it comes to dating, or do they just think it should be easy? photo ratings by opposite-gender peers also BMI and chest/waist ratio together are decent measures of attractiveness. High BMI and low chest/waist ratio is unattractive whereas high BMI high chest/waist ratio is attractive.	/r/PurplePillDebate	30/01/25 11:55 PM
1	Are men actually putting in effort when it comes to dating, or do they just think it should be easy? There is basically no chance of getting arrested or assaulted for approaching a woman. Just doesn't happen. The cases I have heard of are pickup artists who stay in one place and approach women all day (they get asked to leave) and that one kid in the UK who stalked a girl and tried to hug her. Warm approaches are not a guaranteed rejection for 95% of men but we can agree to disagree on this one.	/r/PurplePillDebate	30/01/25 11:55 PM
1	Are men actually putting in effort when it comes to dating, or do they just think it should be easy? They used: Face photo ratings, body mass index, and chest-to-waist ratio for men face photo ratings, body mass index, and waist-to-hip ratio for women	/r/PurplePillDebate	30/01/25 11:43 PM
-1	Are men actually putting in effort when it comes to dating, or do they just think it should be easy? Its not a guaranteed rejection. And 75% of women under 26 said they wanted to be approached more. Cold approaching is very difficult but warm approaching is very viable. You just need a social circle and hobbies. Theres actually very little risk and very high reward.	/r/PurplePillDebate	30/01/25 11:41 PM
0	Are men actually putting in effort when it comes to dating, or do they just think it should be easy? Thats an awful mindset. 99% of men would be single forever if they believed that. I'd rather "lose" by approaching women and getting dates and sex than never get dates or sex ever. I think thats a bigger loss.	/r/PurplePillDebate	30/01/25 11:23 PM
2	Are men actually putting in effort when it comes to dating, or do they just think it should be easy? Sociosexuality did not correlate with attractiveness but does correlate with lifetime partner count. https://psycnet.apa.org/record/2007-07458-008	/r/PurplePillDebate	30/01/25 11:21 PM
2	Are men actually putting in effort when it comes to dating, or do they just think it should be easy? The studies did control for it. They found that attractiveness did not correlate with sociosexuality but that sociosexuality correlated with lifetime partner count. https://psycnet.apa.org/record/2007-07458-008	/r/PurplePillDebate	30/01/25 11:19 PM
0	Are men actually putting in effort when it comes to dating, or do they just think it should be easy? if you don't ever approach women its very hard to date one, yes	/r/PurplePillDebate	30/01/25 11:00 PM
–	Women, why do you believe might makes right, but only when it comes to dating? So women choosing not to date their "match" is immoral? How so?	/r/PurplePillDebate	30/01/25 07:53 PM
0	Are men actually putting in effort when it comes to dating, or do they just think it should be easy? I know that no individual decides how difficult dating IS My question is who decides how difficult dating SHOULD BE	/r/PurplePillDebate	30/01/25 07:18 PM
–	Women, why do you believe might makes right, but only when it comes to dating? I think we can agree rape is immoral. Whats immoral about women choosing who they date?	/r/PurplePillDebate	30/01/25 07:12 PM
–	Women, why do you believe might makes right, but only when it comes to dating? Do you see no difference between freedom of association and forced association? Scenario 1: A really strong guy uses his natural advantages to defend himself against an attacker Scenario 2: A strong guy attacks someone weaker and holds them hostage Both are people using "natural advantages" to achieve their goals, but would you say both actions are morally equal?	/r/PurplePillDebate	30/01/25 07:11 PM
-6	Are men actually putting in effort when it comes to dating, or do they just think it should be easy? Who gets to decide how difficult dating should be?	/r/PurplePillDebate	30/01/25 06:57 PM
4	Are men actually putting in effort when it comes to dating, or do they just think it should be easy? Good post, people underestimate how much the decline in socialization plays into dating success. Young men 18-24 spend around 60% of their free time alone compared to 45% for young women. This is a increase from 40% in 2004. From: https://www.ft.com/content/23053544-fede-4c0d-8cda-174e9bdce348 About half of young men report never approaching a woman in person https://datepsychology.com/risk-aversion-and-dating/ Studies on correlates of body count show extraversion and alcohol use are actually hi…	/r/PurplePillDebate	30/01/25 06:56 PM
2	My take on how society has failed men and has contributed to extreme red pill ideology. I hope you have a good life as well Also, cuck has really lost all meaning huh	/r/PurplePillDebate	22/01/25 07:40 PM
2	My take on how society has failed men and has contributed to extreme red pill ideology. Ok but you still agree that men should show emotion sometimes. There are "approved" emotions. So saying men should show emotion sometimes isn't insane. Also, being sad sometimes is ok. Everyone gets sad, if women just hated it then no relationship would last.	/r/PurplePillDebate	22/01/25 06:28 PM
3	My take on how society has failed men and has contributed to extreme red pill ideology. You think its insane because your brain is poisoned by internet stories, stories which you lack context for and receive one biased perspective and could just be fake too. Showing emotion is an obvious part of a relationship. Passion and love are emotions and its normal to be angry, sad, etc sometimes. Have some critical thinking for a second. I'm not saying you should be crying all the time or never hold back emotions. Theres a time and a place for things. But saying "NEVER show emotions to wome…	/r/PurplePillDebate	22/01/25 05:57 PM
11	My take on how society has failed men and has contributed to extreme red pill ideology. No because the goal isn't to get followers to recruit others, its to get followers to believe they are in a special club that offers them the only chance at success. The goal is to isolate the person from everyone around them (your parents/teachers are bluepilled and beta, etc) to get them to fully buy into their schemes and give them all their money.	/r/PurplePillDebate	22/01/25 02:51 AM
1	My take on how society has failed men and has contributed to extreme red pill ideology. Thats a reasonable perspective. But when I think of young men engaging with the "red pill" its much more often the youtube slop vs the "field of study" aspect.	/r/PurplePillDebate	22/01/25 12:01 AM
3	My take on how society has failed men and has contributed to extreme red pill ideology. Men talking and hanging out isn't necessarily "redpill", what are your examples of redpill spaces? Any example you can give me, the tate and F&F communities are 1000x larger. You can call them grifters but it doesn't change that fact. I'm all for men sharing experiences with each other and being supportive, thats not what the modern redpill is about, thats not what young men are currently being drawn to. And yeah that therapist is fucked up.	/r/PurplePillDebate	21/01/25 10:52 PM
4	My take on how society has failed men and has contributed to extreme red pill ideology. yes	/r/PurplePillDebate	21/01/25 10:48 PM
19	My take on how society has failed men and has contributed to extreme red pill ideology. They are sometimes very explicit about this. Andrew tate brags about scamming loser men and stealing girlfriends. F&F brags about how much more action they get than their fans, its a sales tactic partially. Its a multi-pronged assault on the ego that breaks you down by making you feel inferior, telling you how much better they have it, but then reminding you its possible to reach their level, you just need to buy their course.	/r/PurplePillDebate	21/01/25 10:20 PM
1	My take on how society has failed men and has contributed to extreme red pill ideology. The redpill doesn't talk about healthy ways of emotional expression. Just because people use it as a venting forum doesn't mean its received well. The reason I mention Tate and F&F is because they are the most popular redpill voices by FAR. Rollo tomassi is nothing compared to the reach and fanbase of those guys. The modern redpill message is about getting as rich as possible. None of their content or messaging is about going to college or trade school and getting a nice job, its all about start…	/r/PurplePillDebate	21/01/25 10:17 PM
1	My take on how society has failed men and has contributed to extreme red pill ideology. ? I don't know what you are asking	/r/PurplePillDebate	21/01/25 10:11 PM
6	My take on how society has failed men and has contributed to extreme red pill ideology. Yes this is very true. The happiest demographic in all of society is married men in management positions with 2 kids. Lots of "depression" in men is just failure to thrive. Unfortunately, many lack the tools to achieve success on their own.	/r/PurplePillDebate	21/01/25 09:05 PM
1	My take on how society has failed men and has contributed to extreme red pill ideology. Most upset men don't want therapy. They hate their lives and want to improve. Some are genuinely trying, some get convinced by tate that its feminism's fault and they cry about it. It is literally a skill issue. The happiest demographic IN ALL OF SOCIETY are successful (management positions), married men with kids. But if you can't achieve that then life is pretty brutal.	/r/PurplePillDebate	21/01/25 08:59 PM
17	My take on how society has failed men and has contributed to extreme red pill ideology. I'd believe this if it wasn't for the fact that redpill spaces actively reinforce the stoicism and emotional rigidity that you claim is the issue. According to redpill guys NEVER show emotions to a woman but they also never talk about healthy ways of emotional expression among friends. This is because the redpill ideal is a muscular, rich guy with 5 girlfriends who is never sad or upset because he is winning at everything. According to redpill guys like Tate and F&F if you are failing to meet th…	/r/PurplePillDebate	21/01/25 08:56 PM
–	Immediate sex is not needed to prove desire. You just want sex. The point is that if you don't ask for a hookup don't expect the same sexual experience as a guy who asked for a hookup.	/r/PurplePillDebate	20/01/25 02:43 AM
–	Immediate sex is not needed to prove desire. You just want sex. If you are an adult with an adult salary spending $50 a week on a date shouldn't really be that big of a deal. Also, you aren't just paying for the potential for sex, you are facilitating the potential for a long-term relationship that involves deep emotional bonding and intimacy and could lead to kids and marriage. If you literally just want sex better off seeing a prostitute. Then you can spend your money and be sure you will receive sex in return.	/r/PurplePillDebate	20/01/25 02:37 AM
1	The issue with promiscuous men wanting non-promiscuous women is about his hypocrisy around pious conservative values Are those women worth it?	/r/PurplePillDebate	16/01/25 07:09 PM
0	If TRPillers were honest with what they´re saying, they would have 0 issue with single women, cat ladies, sluts etc. I don't know anyone who fits all of those criteria but I know plenty of people who get laid consistently or are in relationships. I think you just have a warped view of the world. Also generally ~80% of men have sex at least a few times a month.	/r/PurplePillDebate	16/01/25 04:57 AM
2	Hyper independence is making men and women incompatible. All the liberal feminist countries either have nukes or are in military alliances with countries that do They aren't getting invaded anytime soon. More likely they collapse from internal pressures than get invaded.	/r/PurplePillDebate	16/01/25 04:52 AM
6	The issue with promiscuous men wanting non-promiscuous women is about his hypocrisy around pious conservative values A whole provider? Just pay for dinner dude.	/r/PurplePillDebate	16/01/25 04:44 AM
3	Hyper independence is making men and women incompatible. Ukraine voluntarily gave away their nukes in 1991 with the Budapest memorandum on security assurances. Literally the worst example you could use because it perfectly proves my point.	/r/PurplePillDebate	16/01/25 04:42 AM
3	Hyper independence is making men and women incompatible. their crime rates increase too	/r/PurplePillDebate	15/01/25 03:28 PM
11	The issue with promiscuous men wanting non-promiscuous women is about his hypocrisy around pious conservative values If you think casual sex is destroying society and then make your identity around having lots of casual sex you are either just a bad person or a hypocrite.	/r/PurplePillDebate	15/01/25 03:22 PM
10	The issue with promiscuous men wanting non-promiscuous women is about his hypocrisy around pious conservative values Looking at this from a conservative framework: The idea is that eventually they will have kids and the woman will do most of the work in raising them and do all the chores. Also, because of necessity, the woman will probably be working at least part-time as well. It makes sense for the man to invest more initially.	/r/PurplePillDebate	15/01/25 03:21 PM
4	Hyper independence is making men and women incompatible. Regression to the mean, the children of immigrants tend to have views closer to the average American than their parents. As long as the immigration is gradual enough to allow for assimilation its not a big worry.	/r/PurplePillDebate	15/01/25 03:19 PM
7	Hyper independence is making men and women incompatible. We have nukes. Countries don't just "get invaded" anymore.	/r/PurplePillDebate	15/01/25 03:17 PM
1	Guys Usually Have Problems With Dating Because of Money, Not How They Look or Act Yes, no one would dispute that increased physical attractiveness can also lead to more positive ratings on a variety of personality and competence metrics. My question, which the studies you linked don’t address, is whether the reverse is true. Can an increase in positive personality traits lead to greater attractiveness? Some research says yes: “Gross and Crofton presented a photograph of a (fictional) female student attached with verbal descriptions of her personality. Male and female particip…	/r/PurplePillDebate	12/01/25 04:21 AM
–	Why you have to work harder than your grandfather (and what to do about it) My argument is that its very possible to find relationships through friend groups. Some studies found that around 40% of young men were friends with their partners and some have it has high as 68%. According to pew around 56% of people 18-29 met their partners through friends/family or at school, compared to 21% who met their partners online. https://www.pewresearch.org/social-trends/2020/08/20/a-profile-of-single-americans/ So while lots of young men are single, the ones that aren't single ofte…	/r/PurplePillDebate	12/01/25 03:09 AM
–	Why you have to work harder than your grandfather (and what to do about it) You basically said the same thing over and over: I am overestimating the ability for men to date their friends My statistics around friends was focused on close friends and doesn't account for casual friendships Dating apps are also viable and allow you to interact with lots of people in a shorter amount of time I believe I addressed all 3 of those points. Now for the new stuff: - When I say socialized 10x more I was speaking generally to the average person complaining, not you specifically. - T…	/r/PurplePillDebate	11/01/25 10:52 PM
3	The Provider Man Model No Longer Works in Modern Western Relationships. It's a scam. Presumably they do work full time just not in a good enough job to support a family.	/r/PurplePillDebate	11/01/25 08:00 PM
7	The Provider Man Model No Longer Works in Modern Western Relationships. It's a scam. Yes this is true. It was hypothesized that as women became more educated and started earning more they would care less about the man's money and status. However, most women, no matter their education or income, are unwilling to date down in income or educational attainment. Highest degree attained is actually one of the strongest predictors of relationship choice. Also everyone's expected standard of living is very high. We generally expect to have a few nice vacations a year, multiple cars, a h…	/r/PurplePillDebate	11/01/25 07:58 PM
-2	Guys Usually Have Problems With Dating Because of Money, Not How They Look or Act How do you know whats genuine attraction and whats not? Do you think personality traits (like being funny, charming, etc) and displays of competence (good at sports, playing an instrument, etc) can't create attraction? Is attraction really only about your facial structure and height?	/r/PurplePillDebate	11/01/25 05:28 PM
2	Willingness to become a “second safe option” is a true sign of insecurity So this goes back to the idea that everyone agrees with: "If your partner is not meeting your needs find a new partner" I don't know what this has to do with being a "second choice" or "safe"	/r/PurplePillDebate	11/01/25 05:17 PM
–	Why you have to work harder than your grandfather (and what to do about it) busy with life so Im responding now I don't believe I ever made any statements about the exact chance you can find a relationships with a friend. The data on it is variable, some studies have that 45%/~30% split for men and women, some have it at around 75%. My point isn't that it guarantees success, just that it provides a viable option. As for social groups, both close friends and total friends are decreasing. I found the close friend metric striking because its gone from 10 average in the 1…	/r/PurplePillDebate	11/01/25 05:14 PM
2	Willingness to become a “second safe option” is a true sign of insecurity Except when questioned you have given no way for someone to figure out if he is really getting "the maximum" or being treated like a prize. You just say, "its about whether you feel it or not". So in your perspective the overly neurotic guy is justified in exploding his relationship because he feels his partner is settling. What standard does he have to judge it other than his own feelings?	/r/PurplePillDebate	11/01/25 04:56 PM
4	Willingness to become a “second safe option” is a true sign of insecurity Whats your evidence that most women were never attracted to their husbands?	/r/PurplePillDebate	11/01/25 04:43 PM
-1	Willingness to become a “second safe option” is a true sign of insecurity Whats a low body count? If you are over the age of 25 and looking for a virgin thats gonna be very difficult.	/r/PurplePillDebate	11/01/25 04:40 PM
1	Willingness to become a “second safe option” is a true sign of insecurity Whenever this comes up you see a range of positions from reasonable to extremely insecurity. Reasonable: "I want a partner who meets all my needs" Crazy: "If your girlfriend has ever had an ex then you are their second choice and shouldn't date them" The crazy stuff generally comes from two sources: Feeling like the girl doesn't really love you and is just settling A belief that she liked her past partners more and gave them better treatment I call it crazy because in this mindset her actions do…	/r/PurplePillDebate	11/01/25 04:37 PM
1	Why you have to work harder than your grandfather (and what to do about it) Thats an interesting story you made up in your head.	/r/PurplePillDebate	07/01/25 01:27 AM
2	Why you have to work harder than your grandfather (and what to do about it) This sounds like mega cope to me. Married men report being happier than unmarried men every time this is studied. To a large extent our brains and drives were shaped by the desire to reproduce. The idea that a guy whos alone forever is generally happier than the dude who has kids and a wife just seems silly on its face and never manifests in the aggregate, only anecdotes.	/r/PurplePillDebate	07/01/25 01:22 AM
2	Why you have to work harder than your grandfather (and what to do about it) Married men tend to report being much happier and satisfied with life than unmarried men. The most happy demographic are married man in management positions with 2+ children.	/r/PurplePillDebate	07/01/25 01:18 AM
1	Why you have to work harder than your grandfather (and what to do about it) What about the math is wrong? Maybe you see lots of guys in social groups, but social participation is trending down. The average man has only 1 friend. How can all these social spaces be fully saturated but also most guys are not socially active? My main point with those numbers about dating is that it shows plenty of young women are open to dating people within their social groups, its not only about finding people on apps. The issue is that fewer young men and women are actually serious about…	/r/PurplePillDebate	07/01/25 12:44 AM
1	Why you have to work harder than your grandfather (and what to do about it) Casual sex is not as frequent as you think it is. Rates of sexual activity are actually dropping and are the lowest for gen z (both women and men) of any other recorded generation. But yes, gender expectations have definitely shifted in a way. Men are still expected to outearn the woman but are no longer expected to be the sole earner. However, there is a much greater expectation for men to invest emotionally in the relationship and to contribute to chores and childcare. I'd actually say this is…	/r/PurplePillDebate	06/01/25 06:32 PM
1	Why you have to work harder than your grandfather (and what to do about it) thanks	/r/PurplePillDebate	06/01/25 06:29 PM
1	Why you have to work harder than your grandfather (and what to do about it) Its called getting at the heart of our disagreement. It seems we agree that being more social puts you in contact with potential dating partners, but you think it doesn't matter because women are too picky so you will always get friendzoned. So now we need to figure out how picky women really are to see if you are right, thats why I asked you for more details. I'll be more specific: If the average guy genetically (5'9, average face) looksmaxxes to a good extent (lean, good fashion, good grooming…	/r/PurplePillDebate	06/01/25 02:46 PM
1	Why you have to work harder than your grandfather (and what to do about it) I am talking about this in the context of dating. Usually when people say that they mean modern dating takes more work and results in a lower quality partner. This post was to give an explanation why that is the case and to see what lessons we can take from this time where dating was apparently easier.	/r/PurplePillDebate	06/01/25 02:42 PM
4	Why you have to work harder than your grandfather (and what to do about it) Can you actually define who you are talking about? I looked around and some sources say only 16% of Americans are working "low skill" jobs, however they define it. So should people working low skill jobs not have kids or anyone in the bottom 50%? Because I think those are two different groups. But generally, I think the vast majority of Americans are happy they are alive. Life can be hard, yes, but theres also plenty of things to make it meaningful and fun. I think its a definite stretch to say …	/r/PurplePillDebate	06/01/25 05:21 AM
-1	Why you have to work harder than your grandfather (and what to do about it) I am a 22 year old 5'10 guy so no. How attractive do you need to be to have any dating success? I'm curious about where you think the bar is and how "delusional" womens standards really are.	/r/PurplePillDebate	06/01/25 05:15 AM
2	Why you have to work harder than your grandfather (and what to do about it) Well the issue is that lots of men have nothing. No friends, no girlfriend, no social groups. The average gen z guy is single and has 1 friend. I agree with you, social interaction is important, and it doesn't have to be in the context of a relationship.	/r/PurplePillDebate	06/01/25 04:49 AM
2	Why you have to work harder than your grandfather (and what to do about it) People are pickier because there is more competition for your time and everyone is more neurotic and anxious. Why go out with people you don't like that much when you could just watch netflix and order a pizza? Why go to a party that is gonna be loud and crazy and full of people you don't know (who might be mean to you) when you could just watch pizza and eat netflix?	/r/PurplePillDebate	06/01/25 04:46 AM
4	Why you have to work harder than your grandfather (and what to do about it) I care too, I like HighestTierMaslow and all the other yappers around here. Its fun to read a massive paragraph of spite and bitterness sometimes.	/r/PurplePillDebate	06/01/25 04:44 AM
4	Why you have to work harder than your grandfather (and what to do about it) The economy and society needs low-skill workers. Not everyone can have a "great career" and thats ok. You can have a good life without having a great career (depending on your definitions, I guess). We are not at the point where AI can take over everything.	/r/PurplePillDebate	06/01/25 04:41 AM
3	Why you have to work harder than your grandfather (and what to do about it) Wait, thats the point of this post though, that joining social groups is good. Looks like we got there in the end folks.	/r/PurplePillDebate	06/01/25 04:39 AM
2	Why you have to work harder than your grandfather (and what to do about it) Im glad. I'd be a terrible father right now.	/r/PurplePillDebate	06/01/25 04:35 AM
4	Why you have to work harder than your grandfather (and what to do about it) When you are looking at the individual level variance in personality type is going to lead to massive differences in experience. However, if you zoom out to all of society you can see clear downward trends in socialization and social milestones. I linked a bunch of the data in the post if you want to check it out.	/r/PurplePillDebate	06/01/25 04:35 AM
1	Why you have to work harder than your grandfather (and what to do about it) - Being socialized will help you understand how to become attractive in other ways, putting you in contact with attractive men you can use as reference. Joining workout clubs and sports leagues can help you get in shape too - Opening up your social circle gives you more chances to meet genuinely interesting women - You might get treated like a creep, but I'm sure you are more likely to be seen as creepy if you are an absolute stranger vs someone who they kinda know from being part of their socia…	/r/PurplePillDebate	06/01/25 04:33 AM
6	Why you have to work harder than your grandfather (and what to do about it) In some aspects the bottom 50% of society actually has higher fertility. This person is not asking for natural selection, they are asking for a social mandate that people in the bottom 50% are encouraged to not reproduce. If this happened naturally then we wouldn't even be having this conversation, it would just be a given.	/r/PurplePillDebate	06/01/25 04:29 AM
2	Why you have to work harder than your grandfather (and what to do about it) Both genders are becoming increasingly antisocial. I see no evidence that women are inherently only attracted to a select percentage of men.	/r/PurplePillDebate	06/01/25 04:26 AM
5	Why you have to work harder than your grandfather (and what to do about it) Unfortunately mental health outcomes are in the toilet. Can men "walk off the plantation" without sacrificing their happiness?	/r/PurplePillDebate	06/01/25 04:24 AM
3	Why you have to work harder than your grandfather (and what to do about it) yes https://x.com/KirkegaardEmil/status/1875736933101662656/photo/2	/r/PurplePillDebate	06/01/25 04:23 AM
3	Why you have to work harder than your grandfather (and what to do about it) thanks	/r/PurplePillDebate	06/01/25 04:21 AM
7	Why you have to work harder than your grandfather (and what to do about it) I dunno man, I've had a 6 pack for a while and people can't see it through my clothes so unfortunately no approaches. Its helped once I got the shirt off (by then I was 95% of the way to sex anyways) but it was nice to see the look on their faces. All this to say, don't give up approaching. Dating is gonna be nightmare difficulty if you aren't putting yourself out there.	/r/PurplePillDebate	06/01/25 01:53 AM
5	Why you have to work harder than your grandfather (and what to do about it) He did have it easier. So... what now? I'm 22, I was a virgin at 21 so pretty similar situation. What do we do?	/r/PurplePillDebate	06/01/25 01:48 AM
8	Why you have to work harder than your grandfather (and what to do about it) When surveyed around 45% of young men had not asked out a woman in the last year. And before people claim MeToo, the major reasons given were fear of rejection and lack of interest, not fear of being cancelled or arrested. Pretty big shift.	/r/PurplePillDebate	06/01/25 01:45 AM
3	Why you have to work harder than your grandfather (and what to do about it) Maybe pursuing "free love" isn't the solution then. You made some great points regarding all the economic and political factors that made the 60s and 70s extraordinary but maybe there are still some lessons to take, even if they are more abstract. We have been dissociating from each other as a society, communities falling apart as in-person socialization becomes less frequent. Maybe we can't bring back love for everyone, but resurrecting some sort of social infrastructure seems like a good step …	/r/PurplePillDebate	06/01/25 01:37 AM
5	Why you have to work harder than your grandfather (and what to do about it) I wish the entire country had the experiences your family did. Unfortunately, it seems like young people are having less sex and relationship experience than ever. The question is whats the message for my generation. Do we fall into blackpill despair (women only want 10% of men, give up) or do we try to take lessons from history and focus on improving social structures?	/r/PurplePillDebate	06/01/25 01:33 AM
11	Why you have to work harder than your grandfather (and what to do about it) I don't think its best for our country if 50% of people don't reproduce. You realize this means that women in the top 50% will have to have 4 kids on average or else the population will be cut in half every generation?	/r/PurplePillDebate	06/01/25 01:29 AM
0	Why you have to work harder than your grandfather (and what to do about it) Can you say that like a normal person? What do you mean by "run the clock out" in this case? These are college students, they aren't approaching "the wall" unless its massively shifted since I last checked.	/r/PurplePillDebate	06/01/25 01:28 AM
7	Why you have to work harder than your grandfather (and what to do about it) I mentioned that in my post, people tend to gravitate more towards solitary, internet-based hobbies nowadays. I don't think anything has changed genetically, yeah we diagnose autism more often but I don't believe there is this massive proportion of society that just suddenly can't handle socialization. More likely that we are all out of practice.	/r/PurplePillDebate	06/01/25 01:26 AM
5	Why you have to work harder than your grandfather (and what to do about it) lol for some reason I assumed everyones grandparents grew up in the 60s like mine. My post is mostly geared towards that time period as thats what the research I've read focused on. Hearing about the 40s and beyond is definitely cool though, there are lessons to take from every point in history. The shrinking of families is an interesting topic, especially considering how around 1 in 4 people are currently being raised by a single mother. The differences in socialization between having 0-2 sibli…	/r/PurplePillDebate	06/01/25 12:57 AM
5	Why you have to work harder than your grandfather (and what to do about it) And I was more approaching this from the perspective of someone in my early 20s. I'll admit I definitely have less understanding of what a social life is like past 30 and especially past 40.	/r/PurplePillDebate	06/01/25 12:01 AM
2	Why you have to work harder than your grandfather (and what to do about it) Thanks for the thoughtful response. It would be interesting to hear what you consider the qualities of a "good option" to be.	/r/PurplePillDebate	05/01/25 11:47 PM
17	Why you have to work harder than your grandfather (and what to do about it) So eugenics. Is there an absolute standard that we should hold people to before they reproduce or is it always relative? Either we say the bottom 50% of society always shouldn't have kids or its an absolute standard but in this case like 90% of people in heavily underdeveloped countries like Haiti shouldn't reproduce.	/r/PurplePillDebate	05/01/25 11:44 PM
3	Why you have to work harder than your grandfather (and what to do about it) Your comment echoes something I am seeing frequently and reckoning with. Yes, the restricted rights of women and social pressure to get married played a massive role, I should have been more forthcoming about that in my post. My point with the overall framing was to encourage a positive call to action for people in the modern day. Obviously we can't roll back womens rights (and shouldn't), so what do we take from this time period? I still maintain that active social structures are very beneficia…	/r/PurplePillDebate	05/01/25 11:39 PM
3	Why you have to work harder than your grandfather (and what to do about it) Thats a cool story.	/r/PurplePillDebate	05/01/25 11:36 PM
14	Why you have to work harder than your grandfather (and what to do about it) So what lesson do we take from this? My point is that we can't, and shouldn't, take away womens rights. However, there are still positive lessons to be learned from the 60s and 70s regarding the value of social engagement.	/r/PurplePillDebate	05/01/25 11:33 PM
9	Why you have to work harder than your grandfather (and what to do about it) My point was more that the modern guy can't roll back womens rights (nor should we) so the best lesson we can take from the 1960/70s culture is the value of socialization.	/r/PurplePillDebate	05/01/25 11:25 PM
10	Why you have to work harder than your grandfather (and what to do about it) So you believe the issue now is that too many men are just so low quality that no woman would even consider dating them? What should these men do to improve? Would you agree that increased socialization is a good step?	/r/PurplePillDebate	05/01/25 11:21 PM
8	Why you have to work harder than your grandfather (and what to do about it) Do you think socialization plays a role at all? Do you acknowledge that our society being much less socially active would have an effect on dating culture? I can grant that the culture of the time (more prioritizing marriage, more traditional) and the lack of full legal protections for women played a role as well.	/r/PurplePillDebate	05/01/25 11:15 PM
9	Why you have to work harder than your grandfather (and what to do about it) The stats I posted seem to directly contradict that. Plenty of young people are forming relationships with their friends. I'm not saying that if you ask a friend out they will say yes most of the time, what I am saying is that a large proportion of young people do look for relationships within their social circles. If you have a wider social circle it opens that option.	/r/PurplePillDebate	05/01/25 11:08 PM
2	Men improving themselves wont fix the dating market, women need to lower their standards. It seems most men make the choice to say with their wives as they age. The divorce rate is around 45% and men initiate the divorce only 30% of the time.	/r/PurplePillDebate	03/01/25 11:23 PM
2	The main problem with many modern men is their need for approval from women What makes the average woman's life easy?	/r/PurplePillDebate	03/01/25 10:25 PM
1	If you cant admit you want a hookup, dont get angry you cant get immediate sex from your date. I would be confused because the goal of a company is to make money. It actually doesn't make sense to pay someone more for less work because it wastes money. Relationships and feelings do not function on a similar logic.	/r/PurplePillDebate	02/01/25 10:38 PM
1	If you cant admit you want a hookup, dont get angry you cant get immediate sex from your date. Communication is important in a relationship. If you aren't getting what you want, ask for it. Again, why should I care about unequal treatment if I am getting everything I want out of the relationship?	/r/PurplePillDebate	02/01/25 08:45 PM
1	If you cant admit you want a hookup, dont get angry you cant get immediate sex from your date. If they met all my needs, yes. Why should I be upset at someone for not giving me something I never asked for?	/r/PurplePillDebate	02/01/25 08:25 PM
1	If you cant admit you want a hookup, dont get angry you cant get immediate sex from your date. If my partner met all my needs in the relationship then I would be happy, yes. If you want them to treat you a certain way then ask for it. If the girl in your hypothetical is fine with ramen and doesn't like fancy dinners then it makes sense that it wouldn't bother her. Just be honest about your needs, I don't see why I should want something just because someone else got it.	/r/PurplePillDebate	02/01/25 08:17 PM
1	If you cant admit you want a hookup, dont get angry you cant get immediate sex from your date. I don't get the obsession with "fairness". People change, maybe they had money with their previous girlfriends and are broke now and can only afford ramen. It doesn't necessarily mean they don't like you as much. The better question is: Are you satisfied with the relationship? Does it meet all your needs? If you are, why leave? If not, why are you staying?	/r/PurplePillDebate	02/01/25 07:25 PM
5	It’s unhealthy for someone to never having someone else be romantically interested in them. Well according to you and the OP there is NOTHING society can do to make these people attractive. They are doomed from the start due to their genetics. I even went along with your reasoning, I said that even if these people are doomed to be single forever society should still try to spread the message that their life has value, and you still got mad. You can't have it both ways, you can't say society should do more while also saying its totally hopeless. Well no one is forcing you to do anything…	/r/PurplePillDebate	28/12/24 12:45 AM
1	It’s unhealthy for someone to never having someone else be romantically interested in them. I have never seen someone deny this	/r/PurplePillDebate	27/12/24 10:28 PM
4	It’s unhealthy for someone to never having someone else be romantically interested in them. The part of the redpill that is common sense is just a part of pop culture at this point. Everyone knows its good to work out, to be financially successful, to be charming, etc. There are massive industries about helping people achieve these things. The reason I know this is true is that just to stay relevant modern redpill creators (like andrew tate and F&F) have to go overboard with the traditional rhetoric, now saying that you have to be a millionaire to have any chance or that men should aim…	/r/PurplePillDebate	27/12/24 10:27 PM
2	It’s unhealthy for someone to never having someone else be romantically interested in them. If you acknowledge that some people will just be lonely and unloved forever then isn't the ideal situation trying to find a way to help them accept their situation and NOT be too "messed up" by it? Maybe this is impossible but it seems like we should try to help before giving up on believing that chronically single people can ever be happy.	/r/PurplePillDebate	27/12/24 10:24 PM
15	It’s unhealthy for someone to never having someone else be romantically interested in them. I have a hard time believing anyone falls for this anymore. Going to the gym is more popular than ever, social media is dominated with looksmaxxing content, etc. At least for myself and the other zoomers I know, everyone is at least somewhat focused on improving their looks. The idea that "looks don't matter at all just be nice" is totally dead.	/r/PurplePillDebate	27/12/24 10:21 PM
–	Do you agree with redpillers saying that the average man is doomed when it comes to dating/finding love? What do you mean by "dead on arrival"? Do you mean "no chance of ever having a relationship or sex" or "no chance of having the type of relationship I want"?	/r/PurplePillDebate	27/12/24 10:14 PM
–	Do you agree with redpillers saying that the average man is doomed when it comes to dating/finding love? What is your evidence for this? Much more than 20% of men are in relationships and are sexually active. So how did you determine that 80% are considered barely human? Are women dating men they don't consider human?	/r/PurplePillDebate	27/12/24 10:13 PM
2	The Red Pill perpetuates itself by setting men up to fail When you remember 25% of people are now raised in single-parent homes it makes a little more sense. Some people might not have an example of a successful marriage in their life and when they go on the internet all they see is redpill stuff.	/r/PurplePillDebate	26/12/24 02:13 AM
1	The Red Pill perpetuates itself by setting men up to fail Have you ever seen someone you considered ugly in a relationship? My point being that there is no direct looks standard that you can apply to your own case, what you consider ugly might be above the looks threshold for someone else. So yes attractiveness matters a lot and you do have to surpass the looks threshold for that particular woman but theres no telling exactly where that standard is. Don't get me wrong, there are dudes who would get rejected by 99% of women by looks alone and a small % …	/r/PurplePillDebate	26/12/24 02:04 AM
1	The Red Pill perpetuates itself by setting men up to fail Wow you must have a great life if the only thing disturbing your peace is seeing fictional characters with your skin color and sex do bad things.	/r/PurplePillDebate	26/12/24 01:59 AM
1	Q4W: Do you think it's sexist/misogynistic/problematic for a man to fully avoid and decenter women? Mike Pence also calls his wife "mother". I think people were generally weirded out by his objectively strange relationship.	/r/PurplePillDebate	25/12/24 03:55 PM
1	Q4W: Do you think it's sexist/misogynistic/problematic for a man to fully avoid and decenter women? Lol what was OP expecting? Was he really expecting women to get mad at the idea some random dude doesn't want to talk to them? The desire for attention is not equal. On posts about 4B and giving up on men you always see men crying in the comments or trying to insult the women. The 4B stuff frequently goes viral because BOTH men and women react to it. But does MGTOW stuff ever really go viral? No, because women just don't care.	/r/PurplePillDebate	25/12/24 03:54 PM
1	The disconnect between perceived SMV and actual SMV is the primary reason so many people fail in the dating world Ok so you admit most of the attention goes to unattractive men. Therefore, 80% of women can't only be paying attention to the top 20% of men. Also the average guy has consistent sexual activity (around 50% of men report having sex weekly or more) I guess someone who finds them attractive. https://jamanetwork.com/journals/jamanetworkopen/fullarticle/2767066	/r/PurplePillDebate	24/12/24 04:18 AM
2	Paper Abortions are not ethically analogous to Abortions consistent and well-explained thanks for responding	/r/PurplePillDebate	24/12/24 01:53 AM
0	Paper Abortions are not ethically analogous to Abortions Where do you derive morality from?	/r/PurplePillDebate	24/12/24 01:35 AM
0	Paper Abortions are not ethically analogous to Abortions You cannot sacrifice your child for your bodily autonomy. Once the fetus becomes a conscious person both parents have a duty to protect and support it. But it is immoral to abandon a child (concieved during consensual sex) to preserve your own autonomy, whether you are a woman or a man.	/r/PurplePillDebate	24/12/24 01:27 AM
2	The disconnect between perceived SMV and actual SMV is the primary reason so many people fail in the dating world That quote literally comes from the same blog and dataset that the 80/20 attractiveness graphs come from. So all I am doing is quoting THE EXACT SAME BLOG that you used as evidence earlier. Do you not trust it now?	/r/PurplePillDebate	24/12/24 12:39 AM
1	The disconnect between perceived SMV and actual SMV is the primary reason so many people fail in the dating world The blogs that OkCupid used to put out, which is where everyone got that attractiveness graph showing women rate 80% of men as unattractive. https://thesocietypages.org/socimages/2009/12/03/guest-post-in-the-land-of-the-hideous-the-somewhat-less-than-loathsome-man-is-king/ This is a good overview of other data from the same blog on how actual message rates correlate to rated attactiveness. According to OKCupid, “women rate an incredible 80% of guys as worse-looking than medium. Very harsh. On th…	/r/PurplePillDebate	23/12/24 10:02 PM
1	The disconnect between perceived SMV and actual SMV is the primary reason so many people fail in the dating world How is pointing out racial preferences in dating weird? They have been proven to exist for women and men. You seem to think I am describing my own behavior, but I'm not. Basically all of my romantic/sexual partners are nonwhite, mostly because I don't have any preference and they were the people who showed me attention.	/r/PurplePillDebate	23/12/24 04:39 PM
2	The disconnect between perceived SMV and actual SMV is the primary reason so many people fail in the dating world Yeah and if you read the study women still messaged men they considered less attractive, the messaging distribution was not 80/20. So this is a perfect example of the 80/20 rule not actually playing out in terms of real outcomes.	/r/PurplePillDebate	23/12/24 12:18 PM
-1	The disconnect between perceived SMV and actual SMV is the primary reason so many people fail in the dating world most people consider latinas to be white	/r/PurplePillDebate	23/12/24 12:16 PM
2	The disconnect between perceived SMV and actual SMV is the primary reason so many people fail in the dating world My mistake, I meant likes, not matches.	/r/PurplePillDebate	23/12/24 05:43 AM
5	The disconnect between perceived SMV and actual SMV is the primary reason so many people fail in the dating world I agree with a lot of what you said. Its definitely true that increasing education and salary for women causes them to chase a smaller % of men who outearn them. However, men still largely outearn women for the most part. According to 2022 data, young men make up 44% of college students. So the market is definitely getting more difficult, but I haven't seen any evidence that women are only chasing 1% of men and 80% are ignored. Partner count data consistently shows that women and men sleep aroun…	/r/PurplePillDebate	23/12/24 03:57 AM
3	The disconnect between perceived SMV and actual SMV is the primary reason so many people fail in the dating world and be young but yeah. Also consider that basically EVERY guy wants an in-shape, mentally well, white/asian girl who is between 18-28 and doesn't have kids. Most women who meet those criteria go off the dating market fast so its a large pool of guys fighting for a shrinking pool of attractive women.	/r/PurplePillDebate	23/12/24 03:44 AM
1	The disconnect between perceived SMV and actual SMV is the primary reason so many people fail in the dating world Good post, I have long said that the easiest way to find success in dating is to lower your standards. I had pretty low standards for looks but that made it easier to find someone who clicked with me personality-wise AND there was an attractiveness differential (she found me more attractive than I found her) which led to a good relationship while it lasted. No drama, constant physical affection, basically everything I see men online say they want. The one thing I'd critique the post about is tha…	/r/PurplePillDebate	23/12/24 03:38 AM
–	What is meant by "women live on easy mode"? Thats not the point of the OP. Its not about if women have advantages, its about whether women live easy lives or not. Do these advantages lead to an easy life for most women? Because so far you have not proven that.	/r/PurplePillDebate	17/12/24 03:08 AM
–	What is meant by "women live on easy mode"? The vast majority of women will never have this opportunity or would have to accept a low quality lifestyle (relative to modern expectations) to make it work. Also keep in mind this makes the woman completely financially dependent on the man which is a very scary position.	/r/PurplePillDebate	17/12/24 03:05 AM
–	What is meant by "women live on easy mode"? - Not true, women are valued because they can have kids which is very physically demanding and then changes their entire life forever. It is such a valued trait because it is so important and life-changing. - Only hot women. Your average women (who is very overweight, mind you) isn't getting sugar baby treatment - Maybe if you gave examples I would agree - No, women get love because they are giving something to a guy or the guy expects something in return and is delusional. No guy just gives lov…	/r/PurplePillDebate	17/12/24 03:03 AM
–	What is meant by "women live on easy mode"? Yeah but does that mean women have an easy life? Think about it this way, around 0.1% of people will use a homeless shelter during their life. So this safety net never even comes into play for 99.9% of women, and if it does they are still homeless and broke. So how does this make women's lives easy?	/r/PurplePillDebate	17/12/24 02:51 AM
–	What is meant by "women live on easy mode"? I love the phrase: "Everything in life is about sex except sex which is about power." I think that sums up life for most men pretty well.	/r/PurplePillDebate	17/12/24 02:47 AM
–	What is meant by "women live on easy mode"? A safety net for being homeless sure is meaningful but definitely not indicative of an easy life. Would you say homeless women live life on easy mode because they have access to a shelter? Really? Is it really a safety net if you are still homeless and totally broke? I am honestly baffled that the homeless shelter thing is so consistently mentioned, like homeless women have to check their privilege that they aren't dying in the street. Yeah, we should give more resources to homeless men but its …	/r/PurplePillDebate	17/12/24 02:45 AM
–	What is meant by "women live on easy mode"? Yes	/r/PurplePillDebate	17/12/24 02:36 AM
–	What is meant by "women live on easy mode"? Thats why I said womens lives are GENERALLY easier, because there are exceptions.	/r/PurplePillDebate	17/12/24 01:51 AM
18	CMV: Males should stop dropping out of the dating market Most of the women in that twitter thread "commiserating on how common it is to go without boyfriends" mention that they constantly get approached by men and turn them all down. So its not like these women are being ignored, they just don't like what is being offered. Ironically, it is gen z women who are actually saying "the juice is not worth the squeeze".	/r/PurplePillDebate	17/12/24 01:18 AM
–	What is meant by "women live on easy mode"? Your paper is about testing gender preferences of college faculty for an assistant professor in a STEM field. So its possible they preferred the female applicants because women are underrepresented as STEM professors. Additionally, the study looked at the preferences of college faculty, not actual hiring managers. For these reasons it cannot be used as evidence for systemic hiring bias in all fields.	/r/PurplePillDebate	17/12/24 01:15 AM
–	What is meant by "women live on easy mode"? Generally easier than men's lives but still not easy. Lifting 800 pounds is easier than lifting 1000 pounds but I wouldn't say doing either is easy.	/r/PurplePillDebate	17/12/24 12:33 AM
–	What is meant by "women live on easy mode"? What is your evidence for this? The research I have seen is very mixed, and nothing with differences as high as 99%.	/r/PurplePillDebate	17/12/24 12:29 AM
–	What is meant by "women live on easy mode"? I don't believe womens lives are easy.	/r/PurplePillDebate	17/12/24 12:26 AM
7	Too many men destroy their own confidence. They’re too convinced that everything is against them, and it hurts their dating chances. Whatever it takes to keep you going. There are two options in this world: Keep trying (consistent self-improvement and dating when you feel ready) Give up Mark my words, if you are an early-mid 20s guy and you give up, you WILL regret it later. I'm not talking about taking some time to level yourself up, I'm talking about totally losing faith in your ability to have a happy life and not putting in any effort to improve it. You will regret it when you hit your 30s and so badly want that time back…	/r/PurplePillDebate	16/12/24 09:20 PM
1	Too many men destroy their own confidence. They’re too convinced that everything is against them, and it hurts their dating chances. How did it get better? Did you find someone or change your mindset?	/r/PurplePillDebate	16/12/24 09:15 PM
–	What is meant by "women live on easy mode"? I don't think anyone really lives life on "easy mode" except for the sons and daughters of the very rich. Even then wealthy people have higher reported rates of mental illness so its not like their lives are perfect. Generally when men online talk about women's lives being easy they are doing one of a few things: Only thinking about hot women or hot sex workers. Yes, we all get it, super hot women can make money from sex work or sugar baby stuff. The craziest feminists would agree with you on th…	/r/PurplePillDebate	16/12/24 09:12 PM
2	Even college is not that great of a way for men and women to meet, due to male variability Maybe you could say its easier to become a plumber but even with a less inviting job market the gender studies grads eventually find jobs within similar salary ranges. All this being said, both groups make around 60k so we aren't talking big money here.	/r/PurplePillDebate	16/12/24 08:56 PM
13	Even college is not that great of a way for men and women to meet, due to male variability Maybe they have some shared hobbies or just get alone well. Also mutual hornyness helps a lot. But I knew plenty of guys in engineering or other "high iq" majors who had normal hobbies in addition to anime. You are fixated on two stereotypes, the hyper-autistic engineering major who is only interested in video games and anime, and the airhead girl studying something worthless. Lots of engineering/CS majors aren't like that and there are plenty of high-iq, nerdy women in college too.	/r/PurplePillDebate	16/12/24 07:12 PM
11	Even college is not that great of a way for men and women to meet, due to male variability Your average gender studies graduate makes the same salary as your average plumber. So "useless degrees" may not be be as bad as you think.	/r/PurplePillDebate	16/12/24 07:07 PM
1	Why Do Men's Issues Often Get Overlooked I have never seen any evidence that women have significantly more sexual partners than men on average, where are you getting that info from?	/r/PurplePillDebate	15/12/24 06:58 PM
1	Do you think women have an obligation or moral duty to have children? I said I saw his point as in understood it. That doesn't mean I think it is justified. I don't think targeting innocents with violence is ever justified as a means of addressing oppression.	/r/PurplePillDebate	11/12/24 08:33 PM
4	Do you think women have an obligation or moral duty to have children? You are assuming that it is the responsibility of society to control who ends up with romantic partners. Yes society can set overall standards but aside from total control there is no way to ensure that moral behavior will lead to romantic success. You will never be satisfied unless society exerts total control over romantic partnerships, which would mean that women are obligated and forced to date men who act a certain way. That seems to contradict your earlier statement that no individual shou…	/r/PurplePillDebate	11/12/24 02:29 AM
1	Do you think women have an obligation or moral duty to have children? Lol no it doesn't justify it, unless might literally makes right in your worldview. I don't think the physical ramifications are likely to occur in a wide scale. The pacification of incels is so widespread that its literally being studied by psychologists. Excerpt: "Contrary to common beliefs, empirical evidence suggests that incels are not particularly prone to violence. Incels’ propensity for violence appears relatively low compared to that of the general population. We conclude by offering on…	/r/PurplePillDebate	11/12/24 02:05 AM
5	Do you think women have an obligation or moral duty to have children? Have you considered that if this situation does indeed occur then maybe you are just not personally capable of finding a romantic partner? Maybe you did have a chance and you just messed it up. Is that worth hurting random people?	/r/PurplePillDebate	11/12/24 02:01 AM
4	Do you think women have an obligation or moral duty to have children? Why hurt others then? Just to feel good?	/r/PurplePillDebate	11/12/24 01:53 AM
1	Do you think women have an obligation or moral duty to have children? The point is not about if single men are gonna be violent, the question is whether or not their violence is morally justified.	/r/PurplePillDebate	11/12/24 01:46 AM
3	Do you think women have an obligation or moral duty to have children? So you admit that chronically single men who commit violence against random individuals are not morally justified? Why do it then? Just to feel good?	/r/PurplePillDebate	11/12/24 01:44 AM
7	Do you think women have an obligation or moral duty to have children? How do you decide what is a fair dating environment? I am sure you understand that there is never going to be a world where every man who wants a family gets one, there is always going to be some sort of dating/screening process. I see your point in that if the process is excessively unfair then men are justified in lashing out at society, but how do you decide if that is the case? Is it on an individual basis? Because if its on a societal basis how does someone determine if they are being held …	/r/PurplePillDebate	11/12/24 12:10 AM
–	Influencers like Andrew Tate isn't radicalizing young men, the dating and economic conditions and general misandry are This is actually the theme of the Barbie movie. Its what the whole "I am Kenough" meme is about.	/r/PurplePillDebate	10/12/24 09:18 PM
–	Influencers like Andrew Tate isn't radicalizing young men, the dating and economic conditions and general misandry are Software engineering is still in-demand and lucrative.	/r/PurplePillDebate	10/12/24 09:16 PM
–	Influencers like Andrew Tate isn't radicalizing young men, the dating and economic conditions and general misandry are I never dismissed redpill ideas. My point is that when someone makes fun of Andrew Tate, they are mostly making fun of his super controversial and wacky takes (take away women voting, etc), his literal scams, or sex trafficking allegations. The self-help stuff is a small part of Andrew Tates online identity.	/r/PurplePillDebate	10/12/24 08:55 PM
–	Influencers like Andrew Tate isn't radicalizing young men, the dating and economic conditions and general misandry are This has very little to do with Andrew Tate. The basic self help "get jacked and be confident" bit of Tate is a small part of his identity. Tate is mostly 2 things. A controversy generator due to his statements about women (treat them like children, they shouldn't vote), white supremacy, etc Funneling young men to his literal scams (real world, crypto coins, etc) The court documents showed he was making 600k A MONTH off of his online university scams. I don't know what basic self-help advice has…	/r/PurplePillDebate	10/12/24 08:13 PM
1	Literally no man is “mad that women can choose their partners now.” This has absolutely nothing to do with TRP or men’s frustrations whatsoever and needs to stop being used as a deflection. Only 14% of men 18-24 had 0 sex partners in 2022. But yeah, given that we are delaying marriage as a society that leaves more chances for people to have extended periods of singledom. I do agree there is more single people, but being a complete virgin into your mid-late 20s is still very rare. Data from 2017-2019 shows less than 1% of men were virgins past 30. It can't have changed that drastically in 5 years. https://datepsychology.com/are-27-of-young-men-really-virgins-and-why/	/r/PurplePillDebate	29/11/24 01:35 PM
5	Literally no man is “mad that women can choose their partners now.” This has absolutely nothing to do with TRP or men’s frustrations whatsoever and needs to stop being used as a deflection. He is talking about an incel uprising, repeating the "women only date chad so all the scorned incels will eventually take their revenge" narrative.	/r/PurplePillDebate	29/11/24 01:59 AM
19	Literally no man is “mad that women can choose their partners now.” This has absolutely nothing to do with TRP or men’s frustrations whatsoever and needs to stop being used as a deflection. Well 70% of men are in relationships so I guess entitlement is not that out of control yet.	/r/PurplePillDebate	29/11/24 01:56 AM
6	“Women give men bad dating advice” is a lie. The manosphere will discredit anything women say if it doesn’t fit their narrative. ha you are old	/r/PurplePillDebate	26/11/24 03:22 AM
9	“Women give men bad dating advice” is a lie. The manosphere will discredit anything women say if it doesn’t fit their narrative. Where are you getting those numbers from?	/r/PurplePillDebate	26/11/24 03:19 AM
–	Modern feminism and online dating have destroyed dating; absolutely nothing to do with TRP, which is simply an acknowledgment of reality. Both things can be true. Attractiveness can be correlated with casual sexual success (which is what your source says) and there can be no significant overall correlation between attractiveness and body count. This is because casual sex is not as common as people think. Around 80% of all sexual activity occurs with long-term partners and within relationships. So while attractive people may have more casual sex partners on average, because generally people have sex within relationships (even attra…	/r/PurplePillDebate	23/11/24 03:48 AM
–	Modern feminism and online dating have destroyed dating; absolutely nothing to do with TRP, which is simply an acknowledgment of reality. I think the guy does good work, if you read it you might learn something. Anyways, have a good night.	/r/PurplePillDebate	23/11/24 02:23 AM
–	Modern feminism and online dating have destroyed dating; absolutely nothing to do with TRP, which is simply an acknowledgment of reality. Never said anything about "romantic interest", I am talking about number of sexual partners. So share some of your "mountain of evidence" proving the claim that attractive men have significantly more sexual partners than average men.	/r/PurplePillDebate	23/11/24 02:09 AM
–	Modern feminism and online dating have destroyed dating; absolutely nothing to do with TRP, which is simply an acknowledgment of reality. How do you know its untrue? Is it from the youtube videos you watched? Or... let me guess... personal anecdotes?	/r/PurplePillDebate	23/11/24 01:55 AM
–	Modern feminism and online dating have destroyed dating; absolutely nothing to do with TRP, which is simply an acknowledgment of reality. All of the studies are performed by actual academics, what the twitter guy does is compile them. Actually go to the links and you can see the real studies being cited. Believe it or not, redpill ideas like "80% of women only date 20% of men" or "women only find 10% of men attractive" are so stupid that actual academics don't even bother to directly address them. Its on weird internet people like that guy to compile the actual research and address those claims directly because again, those claims…	/r/PurplePillDebate	23/11/24 01:52 AM
–	Modern feminism and online dating have destroyed dating; absolutely nothing to do with TRP, which is simply an acknowledgment of reality. Wow how convenient... And how convenient that behavioral data from experimental settings and demographic data (marriage rates, STD rates) ALSO rebukes TRP. I guess every single form of evidence (other than your personal anecdotes) disproves TRP. You guys really are victims, huh....	/r/PurplePillDebate	23/11/24 01:15 AM
–	Modern feminism and online dating have destroyed dating; absolutely nothing to do with TRP, which is simply an acknowledgment of reality. One of the studies I linked shows that the stated/revealed preference theory is fake, generally women actually prefer what they state they want. Women state they want kind and dependable guys and actually prefer those guys for relationships. In addition, you can predict breakup frequency using stated preferences. If stated preferences had no effect on genuine interest then that would not be possible. The fact that body count correlates moderately highly (0.6) between partners shows that women te…	/r/PurplePillDebate	23/11/24 01:10 AM
–	Modern feminism and online dating have destroyed dating; absolutely nothing to do with TRP, which is simply an acknowledgment of reality. I don't know what "higher sexuality rates" means. Do you mean the studies that show criminals have more kids? Thats because criminals are more likely to engage in reckless and antisocial behavior, like having sex without birth control and having kids while knowing you can't support them. Men making less than 20k a year have more kids than men who make 100k, so does that mean women would prefer a poorer man over a richer man? No, it just means poorer people make riskier decisions and aren't as ca…	/r/PurplePillDebate	22/11/24 11:37 PM
–	Modern feminism and online dating have destroyed dating; absolutely nothing to do with TRP, which is simply an acknowledgment of reality. Prove 99% of women would date a hot rapist.	/r/PurplePillDebate	22/11/24 11:09 PM
–	Modern feminism and online dating have destroyed dating; absolutely nothing to do with TRP, which is simply an acknowledgment of reality. Do you think a modern woman is more likely to want to date a criminal than a non-criminal?	/r/PurplePillDebate	22/11/24 11:08 PM
–	Modern feminism and online dating have destroyed dating; absolutely nothing to do with TRP, which is simply an acknowledgment of reality. Some of the evidence is self report some are experiments some are demographic data. None of it supports TRP. How do you know what women are "truly attracted to"? What kind of evidence do you use?	/r/PurplePillDebate	22/11/24 10:47 PM
–	Modern feminism and online dating have destroyed dating; absolutely nothing to do with TRP, which is simply an acknowledgment of reality. The redpill is wrong about that though: Claim: Women generally have way more sex than the average man, most women consistently have casual sex with chads while the average guy barely ever gets laid https://datepsychology.com/how-many-sexual-partners-did-men-and-women-have-in-2022/ https://datepsychology.com/casual-sex-is-often-mismeasured-and-overestimated/ Distribution of male/female sex partners is similar and STD data corroborates this. The top 5-10% of men and women have lots of sex with eac…	/r/PurplePillDebate	22/11/24 07:23 PM
–	Modern feminism and online dating have destroyed dating; absolutely nothing to do with TRP, which is simply an acknowledgment of reality. TRP isn't supported by statistics, redpill guys even say statistics are fake except for that one OkCupid study they misinterpret. Statistics of dating behavior disprove TRP: Claim: Attractive men get laid more https://datepsychology.com/male-attractiveness-and-sexual-partner-count/ There is a low correlation between physical attractiveness and partner count The traits which correlate most highly with partner count are extraversion and sociosexuality (how much you want sex and your openness to se…	/r/PurplePillDebate	22/11/24 07:20 PM
–	The conversation has been hijacked by undesirable men, the REAL issue is that actual DESIRABLE men are being viewed as beneath average-below average women How are 70% of men in relationships when only 10% are considered attractive?	/r/PurplePillDebate	21/11/24 08:39 PM
–	The conversation has been hijacked by undesirable men, the REAL issue is that actual DESIRABLE men are being viewed as beneath average-below average women You still haven't explained what "crowd sourced data" is and what the findings are.	/r/PurplePillDebate	21/11/24 04:03 AM
–	The conversation has been hijacked by undesirable men, the REAL issue is that actual DESIRABLE men are being viewed as beneath average-below average women "stop trying to use actual statistics and just trust me bro" What does dating app history have to do with this? If you want to make a claim you have to prove it. I agree that women get more matches than men but you need to show what effect that has. What studies show: - There is no annual difference in partner counts for men and women who use dating apps - Grøntvedt et al. (2020) found that only 20% of Tinder users reported ever having casual sex and that, even when matches were plentiful, very …	/r/PurplePillDebate	21/11/24 01:34 AM
–	The conversation has been hijacked by undesirable men, the REAL issue is that actual DESIRABLE men are being viewed as beneath average-below average women Link the "crowd sourced data" whatever that means. Everyone agrees attractive people get more attention from the opposite sex, it just doesn't translate into massive differences in partner counts. If 80/20 doesn't measure partner counts or relationship frequency then what is it measuring? What is "attention" in this case? Physical attractiveness isn't a good predictor of partner count, alcohol use is a better predictor (r = 0.2 vs r = 0.4). Most studies show little to no difference in partner co…	/r/PurplePillDebate	21/11/24 12:29 AM
3	Studies consistently show that women do not all perceive the same type of men as physically attractive, that a high majority of women prefer long term relationships and that a man’s social status/abilities and economic security are far more important than his looks Stated preferences have shown to highly correlate to actual behavior. For example, you can use stated preferences to accurately predict the chance couples break up. https://x.com/datepsych/status/1834755496039137329	/r/PurplePillDebate	21/11/24 12:07 AM
–	The conversation has been hijacked by undesirable men, the REAL issue is that actual DESIRABLE men are being viewed as beneath average-below average women And? They are screaming into the void just like any other person who tries to debate others into dating them. "Well actually, if you look at this chart I actually rank top 10% in height and income so you MUST find me attractive or else you don't follow the science"	/r/PurplePillDebate	20/11/24 11:59 PM
–	The conversation has been hijacked by undesirable men, the REAL issue is that actual DESIRABLE men are being viewed as beneath average-below average women The 80/20 thing is fake. No actual study of behavior has shown any 80/20 distribution in dating or hookups. Even the Okcupid study that the attractiveness data came from showed more than 20% of men received messages.	/r/PurplePillDebate	20/11/24 11:54 PM
–	There is a Socially and Economically Oppressive Zeitgeist Against Young Gen Z Men. Be honest, what is the support to make life better for young women? What does that look like?	/r/PurplePillDebate	20/11/24 02:43 PM
–	There is a Socially and Economically Oppressive Zeitgeist Against Young Gen Z Men. What do we do about it? Do affirmative action for men? Well the supreme court said thats unconstitutional. Be nicer to men? I agree with this but what does this look like in practice? Banning social media comments that are mean to men? Censoring articles which are seen as anti-male? I think we need an empowering, positive-masculinity movement that offers career internships and programs for men as well as running sports and hobby groups. The group would have chapters at high schools and colleges …	/r/PurplePillDebate	20/11/24 02:41 PM
-2	For average men, getting a female partner mostly comes down to luck, everything else is insignificant. wow so edgy, are you the joker? Are you actually joker from the movie joker?	/r/PurplePillDebate	19/11/24 11:46 PM
1	For average men, getting a female partner mostly comes down to luck, everything else is insignificant. Success is when luck meets preparation. There is an element of luck to every situation, but its on you to be prepared for when those situations arise and to try and make those situations more likely. If you try to date, you will inevitably meet people interested in dating, the next step is being prepared so you come across as attractive. Its not that good luck = partner its more like really, really bad luck = no chance at partner. As long as your luck isn't awful you should have some opportuniti…	/r/PurplePillDebate	19/11/24 06:21 PM
-2	For average men, getting a female partner mostly comes down to luck, everything else is insignificant. You are describing twitter troll fights. No left-wing in real life would tell a lonely man hes an awful person and deserves to be alone. Also, as a redpill guy, wouldn't you agree a lonely guy should try to be more attractive?	/r/PurplePillDebate	19/11/24 06:15 PM
-1	For average men, getting a female partner mostly comes down to luck, everything else is insignificant. Whats the alternative? You can't force attraction. If you want help becoming more attractive all the resources are out there, you don't need to figure it out on your own.	/r/PurplePillDebate	19/11/24 06:12 PM
1	RP men use dating strategies that attract specific kinds of women, which reinforces their stereotypes about women in a vicious cycle I acted redpill-ish in my first LTR and ended up getting dumped because she felt I wasn't emotionally invested enough and didn't show emotional vulnerability (her words exactly). So its not the key to success every time.	/r/PurplePillDebate	18/11/24 12:30 AM
1	The Red Pill is the most effective strategy for men in the world of modern dating. So the redpill is just basic self-help? Its just about getting richer, more confident, and more jacked? You are leaving out all the female psychology stuff and evobio bullshit. The stuff about how women will never love men and are always looking to leave you. The stuff about how if you ever show emotion around a woman she will instantly stop loving you. Thats the downside of the red pill. The self-help stuff is great but the psychology aspects turn you into an extremely insecure wreck incapable …	/r/PurplePillDebate	17/11/24 06:35 PM
6	Not placing unrealistically high standards on women is causing the dating crisis I agree, the distinction is that indicators of desirability can only be compared within-gender not between. So a man needs to figure out where he ranks among men (as rated by women), then date a woman who has a similar rank among women (as rated by men). Example: Dave gets more compliments and tinder matches than 60% of other men, his match is lily who gets more compliments/head turns and tinder matches than 60% of other women. But if you compared lily and dave directly she would get WAY more co…	/r/PurplePillDebate	17/11/24 06:29 PM
6	Not placing unrealistically high standards on women is causing the dating crisis I agree with this except that men and women show desire in different ways. Men are much more inclined to be sexually aggressive, catcalling, approaching etc. Basically every single woman ever has been approached like this since she turned 14. I'd say less than 5% of men have ever been approached by women or received aggressive sexual attention (catcalling etc). Its just a difference in how the sexes show attraction. But by your logic only 5% of men are desirable enough to date any woman.	/r/PurplePillDebate	17/11/24 06:20 PM
1	Guys could put more effort into their dating profiles, pictures, and conversations to get better results. They are their own worse enemies. If you don't put in effort as a woman then you don't deserve men and are no better than male incels But if you put in effort as a woman that makes you a degenerate whore Redpillers love double standards	/r/PurplePillDebate	31/10/24 03:38 PM
2	Guys could put more effort into their dating profiles, pictures, and conversations to get better results. They are their own worse enemies. PUBLIC SERVICE ANNOUNCEMENT: If you want to revamp your dating profile and add better photos DELETE your account fully and start fresh. Adding new photos won't change your current position in the algorithm which is likely fucked if you have spent a while with bad photos. And when you see people saying "I added new photos and it didn't change anything" keep that in mind, they likely didn't make a new account and are still positioned as if they have the terrible photos.	/r/PurplePillDebate	31/10/24 03:34 PM
1	Guys could put more effort into their dating profiles, pictures, and conversations to get better results. They are their own worse enemies. There is no moralizing from me or Lillith, its all about outcomes. Lillith is saying if men get no matches they need to try and improve their profiles if they want success. The quality of womens profiles is irrelevant because most get a bunch of matches. However, if women did complain the answer would be the same as for men, they should improve.	/r/PurplePillDebate	31/10/24 03:31 PM
1	Guys could put more effort into their dating profiles, pictures, and conversations to get better results. They are their own worse enemies. You need to make a new account. Even if you put in new photos you keep your place in the algorithm. If you do a massive revamp you need to start over.	/r/PurplePillDebate	31/10/24 03:29 PM
2	Guys could put more effort into their dating profiles, pictures, and conversations to get better results. They are their own worse enemies. yeah but women are getting hundreds of matches a day	/r/PurplePillDebate	31/10/24 03:18 PM
1	The most common argument against financial abortion is easily refuted. What remains is mostly misandry "Just because men are stronger does not mean they automatically deserve a jail sentence 60% longer than women, for example, and yet that is exactly what is happening." I agree there is legal bias against men but I would not justify that around biological inequality because there is no logical basis there to support it. There is no reason why stronger people should get longer sentences for the same crime. The confounding variable is that stronger people might be more likely to commit more violent…	/r/PurplePillDebate	28/10/24 10:31 PM
2	The most common argument against financial abortion is easily refuted. What remains is mostly misandry If a woman raped a man and he can prove it then he should be able to remove himself from any parental rights. I'd even support forcing rapist women to get abortions (prior to 24 weeks). They showed no respect for the sexual autonomy of others so they lose the right to their own autonomy in this circumstance. Whoever is carrying the fetus can get an abortion prior to 24 weeks. Prior to 24 weeks the fetus is a non-conscious biological entity which does not require moral consideration. If the perso…	/r/PurplePillDebate	28/10/24 09:40 PM
1	The most common argument against financial abortion is easily refuted. What remains is mostly misandry Well you have to justify the law. Why should only people with penises vote? Then I can decide if your reasoning is moral or good.	/r/PurplePillDebate	28/10/24 08:56 PM
6	The most common argument against financial abortion is easily refuted. What remains is mostly misandry If a man can get pregnant then he will be protected under abortion law. The law only discriminates by who is pregnant, which makes sense because abortion is a choice for the person actually carrying the fetus.	/r/PurplePillDebate	28/10/24 01:32 PM
1	The most common argument against financial abortion is easily refuted. What remains is mostly misandry Why consider something a child if it has not developed any necessary features for moral consideration, namely consciousness? Up until that point its basically brain-dead.	/r/PurplePillDebate	28/10/24 01:27 PM
10	To women, how would you feel if your partner spent a lot of money on his past partners but is relatively frugal with you? Theres a very simple solution to this: Only commit to people who meet all your needs. If having frequent and enthusiastic sex is something you need in a relationship then don't date someone unless you are getting it. This way how they treated their past partners doesn't matter because regardless you are getting everything you need.	/r/PurplePillDebate	25/10/24 10:26 PM
1	Are female virgins past 23 typically very desirable? Your "men are lying about having sex" argument goes out the window because the reported rate of virginity for women is around the same as it is for men at every age. For your hypothesis to be true both men and women would have to be lying and in such a way that the overall numbers are within a few percentage points, which is not likely. And your second argument is basically "I see unsuccessful men on reddit so that must be the norm". The posts on reddit are subject to extreme selection bias and …	/r/PurplePillDebate	19/10/24 05:31 PM
1	Are female virgins past 23 typically very desirable? Nope, from 2017-2019 https://datepsychology.com/are-27-of-young-men-really-virgins-and-why/	/r/PurplePillDebate	19/10/24 04:24 PM
1	Are female virgins past 23 typically very desirable? Ok maybe its 14% now, not really a meaningful difference. The 38% stat is not surprising considering 50% of men are virgins at 18. Virginity is heavily weighted towards your late teens - early 20s, but the vast majority (85%) lose it by 24.	/r/PurplePillDebate	19/10/24 12:38 PM
3	Are female virgins past 23 typically very desirable? The statistic you are referencing is that in 2019 around 27% of men reported 0 sexual partners in the last year. This does not contradict the idea that 10% of men are virgins at 24. As far as I know no study has ever been released showing 1/3 of all men are virgins.	/r/PurplePillDebate	19/10/24 05:26 AM
1	Are female virgins past 23 typically very desirable? whats the number now?	/r/PurplePillDebate	19/10/24 12:22 AM
2	Are female virgins past 23 typically very desirable? Being a virgin generally does not make women more desirable. "Stewart-Williams et al. (2016) found that neither men nor women reported a virgin as the ideal partner. To paraphrase the title of this paper, people wanted a partner with a bit of a sexual past, but not too much. Both for short and long term relationships, the ideal past partner count was modest for men and women." https://datepsychology.com/body-count-and-sexual-double-standards/	/r/PurplePillDebate	18/10/24 10:30 PM
13	Are female virgins past 23 typically very desirable? Don't worry, you are in good company here. Pretty sure the last subreddit survey revealed around 35% of men who post here are virgins despite 70% being 25 or older.	/r/PurplePillDebate	18/10/24 09:02 PM
0	Are female virgins past 23 typically very desirable? No it means the average person sees sexual experience at this age as normal, because it is. Virgin women are not shamed, but it generally does not make them more desirable.	/r/PurplePillDebate	18/10/24 08:54 PM
9	Are female virgins past 23 typically very desirable? If you are a very attractive woman its almost impossible to not be desired. Its like the meme with the "I like nerds" but its just gigachad with glasses, the same goes for hot women. If you are very attractive than most of your traits will be perceived as positive, or people just won't care.	/r/PurplePillDebate	18/10/24 08:49 PM
8	Are female virgins past 23 typically very desirable? Yep, the average person sees a degree of sexual experience in your early 20s as normal and healthy. They are as if not more likely to see a older virgin woman as a red flag than a green flag (for all the reasons you mentioned).	/r/PurplePillDebate	18/10/24 08:47 PM
6	Are female virgins past 23 typically very desirable? Only 10% of men are virgins at 24 so your perspective is in the minority. Not a bad thing, just adding the context because the OP asked about the "typical" perspective.	/r/PurplePillDebate	18/10/24 07:34 PM
6	Are female virgins past 23 typically very desirable? For non-religious women dating in non-religious environments virginity does not matter. Other factors, like attractiveness and lifestyle compatibility, matter a lot more. Everyone is expected to have some sort of romantic or sexual experience by the end of their early 20s so not being a virgin is normal. Also virginity in a young adult woman can be a sign they are sheltered, shy, or are very picky. Its not always seen as a green flag like people make it out to be.	/r/PurplePillDebate	18/10/24 07:32 PM
1	Women SHOULD only aim to reproduce with the top 20% of men https://www.liebertpub.com/doi/full/10.1089/ict.2023.29074.jha https://ifstudies.org/blog/who-is-happiest-married-mothers-and-fathers-per-the-latest-general-social-survey https://www.sciencedirect.com/science/article/abs/pii/S2352250X16300252	/r/PurplePillDebate	16/10/24 05:03 PM
2	Women SHOULD only aim to reproduce with the top 20% of men Most major sociological studies have found romantic relationships and creating a family are the most consistent ways to achieve happiness and fulfillment. They also have positive correlations with health and income. Being in relationships does generally make your life better, its not something that the majority of the population can just forget about.	/r/PurplePillDebate	14/10/24 06:23 PM
1	Women SHOULD only aim to reproduce with the top 20% of men That is 6 per 10 million who meet the standards to even get a date in the first place. Thats not counting any idea of chemistry or romantic compatibility which will also come into play once they start going on dates. So yeah, individually there aren't many people who someone will really click with but that is why your general vetting criteria shouldn't be super strict. Unless you don't really care about being single and being in a relationship is not important. If thats the case then be as stric…	/r/PurplePillDebate	14/10/24 06:02 PM
3	Women SHOULD only aim to reproduce with the top 20% of men Suburban kids have the highest rates of mental illness. Being rich isn't the magical key to raising kids well. Also your reasoning doesn't match your standards. You said the guy needs to be able to financially support a wife and kids himself, thats far beyond just avoiding poverty.	/r/PurplePillDebate	14/10/24 05:38 PM
4	Women SHOULD only aim to reproduce with the top 20% of men Just saying depending on what your standards for resources, height, and attractiveness are you are likely only describing 0.031% of men. And the vast majority of those guys are already in relationships. So if a woman has those standards around 0.0000062% of men or 6 men per 10 million are viable partners.	/r/PurplePillDebate	14/10/24 05:35 PM
0	Women SHOULD only aim to reproduce with the top 20% of men Would the world be a better place if all people decided to stop reproducing?	/r/PurplePillDebate	14/10/24 05:30 PM
1	Declining birthrates mean less young women for future men to date Yep, I established that. The overall number of successful old men is larger but the % chance of succeeding as an old guy is lower.	/r/PurplePillDebate	14/10/24 12:59 AM
2	Declining birthrates mean less young women for future men to date Women tend to date up in age and men tend to date down. Its generally only by 2-4 years but its enough to make dating more difficult as a younger guy. Emotional maturity, financial stability, some sort of skillset in a hobby, good fashion/grooming. All of that stuff is necessary if you want to be successful in dating as a guy. Some dudes get it when they are younger and some guys need to build it up over time. That combined with women dating up in age means that age is more of a factor for men. …	/r/PurplePillDebate	14/10/24 12:56 AM
1	Declining birthrates mean less young women for future men to date You are right, young people are more likely to be single for both men and women. Age is more of a factor for men though.	/r/PurplePillDebate	13/10/24 10:56 PM
1	Declining birthrates mean less young women for future men to date I don't know if that is true, generally past 35 a similar amount of men and women are single. Maybe the difference is that single women are less likely to be actively dating than single men.	/r/PurplePillDebate	13/10/24 10:44 PM
0	Declining birthrates mean less young women for future men to date I don't think there is a fixed percent of young women willing to participate in age-gap dating. If there are a lot more old men its natural that more will succeed in dating young women. However, the success rate will be much lower overall.	/r/PurplePillDebate	13/10/24 10:08 PM
1	Declining birthrates mean less young women for future men to date The number of old women is irrelevant here unless you want to say a substantial number of young men are going to start dating old women.	/r/PurplePillDebate	13/10/24 10:06 PM
2	Declining birthrates mean less young women for future men to date Good post but you are missing one angle. Depending on how bad the distribution gets, you might see more age gap relationships than currently. This is because there are so many older men that naturally more young women end up dating them. However, it could still be harder to date down in age than currently. There are more men dating down than before but because the relative proportion of older men is so skewed its harder to do so. Think about it this way: Currently lets say the ratio of young wom…	/r/PurplePillDebate	13/10/24 05:27 PM
7	Declining birthrates mean less young women for future men to date You are interpreting this incorrectly. There will always be the same amount of young men as young women. Every young woman will have a young guy to date if she chooses so (and most do). The difference is now there are much more older men. So older men have to compete with the other older men for a relatively smaller pool of younger women. However, the pool of young men is NOT relatively smaller. The ratio of young men to young women has stayed the same while the ratio of young women to old men h…	/r/PurplePillDebate	13/10/24 05:20 PM
1	Women's "pickiness" really isn't that deep as it pretends to be The 40% also comes from a survey study. Actually the 40% and the 70% come from the same study. https://www.pewresearch.org/social-trends/2020/08/20/a-profile-of-single-americans/ 40% of young men are in relationships but 70% of all men are in relationships. Where do you get your numbers from?	/r/PurplePillDebate	10/10/24 03:23 AM
1	Women's "pickiness" really isn't that deep as it pretends to be So you think only 1% of men are in relationships? Even the stat for young men has ~40% in relationships.	/r/PurplePillDebate	09/10/24 05:12 PM
2	Women's "pickiness" really isn't that deep as it pretends to be You didn't give any evidence, you just repeated that its a fact. What is your evidence for the idea that a majority of women only date hot guys who treat them badly?	/r/PurplePillDebate	05/10/24 04:52 PM
3	Women's "pickiness" really isn't that deep as it pretends to be What facts? Do you have any evidence that the majority of women only chase hot guys who treat them badly?	/r/PurplePillDebate	05/10/24 04:18 PM
1	Women's "pickiness" really isn't that deep as it pretends to be Well 70% of men are in relationships so I guess that perspective is not that common	/r/PurplePillDebate	05/10/24 04:15 PM
3	Approaching women in a limited pool of your social circle poisons this pool for you Dating through your social circle is just one possible strategy. If apps work, do that. If approaching people works, do that. But commonly people on here say "I get 0 matches on apps, I'm too scared to approach strangers, and I hate clubs so what do I do". In those cases developing your social circle is the next logical step to try. You can develop friendships into relationships but the best benefit of social circles is being introduced to lots of new people through your friends. Friendships als…	/r/PurplePillDebate	04/10/24 04:26 PM
3	Do most men really want “traditional women” or to receive treatment they imagine top tier Chads receive from women? First priority should be to make yourself attractive. But if you have been getting laid for years and still have nothing to say about good sex and you explicitly tell people that men shouldn't try to make their partner orgasm I'm gonna think you don't care about good sex.	/r/PurplePillDebate	04/10/24 03:07 PM
2	The idea of men needing to be "nice" really needs to die already I guess we just have different ideas of what success means. I consider a top doctor/researcher who has a wife and kids to be successful. I think its possible to be a "nerd" and successful. I would still consider a UFC fighter to be successful even if they are only good at fighting. Also you can have an ego and still be a nice person. Yeah I'd say IB and ivy league people tend to have a high opinion of themselves but I know many who are still kind and trustworthy to the people in their lives.	/r/PurplePillDebate	04/10/24 03:04 PM
5	Do most men really want “traditional women” or to receive treatment they imagine top tier Chads receive from women? Its relevant if you want to have good sex. My point is that these redpill guys don't care about good sex, only about having access to sex, because they see access to sex as a form of power and status. Also no, you can have tons of sex and still have terrible sex if you aren't trying.	/r/PurplePillDebate	04/10/24 01:04 PM
2	The idea of men needing to be "nice" really needs to die already lol the cope is so strong "even if they are nice to everyone around them in private they are all secretly terrible people" good people can be successful, sorry to disappoint you.	/r/PurplePillDebate	04/10/24 01:03 PM
2	The idea of men needing to be "nice" really needs to die already Just sharing some personal stories of successful people I know who are nice is enough to disprove your idea that "being a selfish asshole who only cares what is best for you and disregards everyone else is the only way to get anywhere in life". I'm not saying some assholes don't become successful, I'm saying you don't HAVE to be an asshole to be successful.	/r/PurplePillDebate	03/10/24 05:49 PM
13	The idea of men needing to be "nice" really needs to die already None of the successful people I know personally live like this. And I am talking: Tech executives Doctors and researchers who are at the top of their field My peers in high school who were cool and got laid but also went to ivy league schools My peers in college who went on to prestigious quant and ib jobs People I train with who are ex-UFC fighters or very successful competitors in their own right Basically all of these people are friendly and relatively kind. They all have social networks of p…	/r/PurplePillDebate	03/10/24 05:29 PM
2	The idea of men needing to be "nice" really needs to die already Being a nice person doesn't help that much when it comes to getting women. But you still have to be nice TO HER. So you need to be nice to succeed in dating, but only to the person you want to date.	/r/PurplePillDebate	03/10/24 05:26 PM
2	Men attach their worth to sex-having becasue sex-having as a man is attached to your worth. Hey dude I remember you. Hope you are doing well. Have you found that non-fat girlfriend yet?	/r/PurplePillDebate	03/10/24 02:02 AM
15	Do most men really want “traditional women” or to receive treatment they imagine top tier Chads receive from women? yeah if you ever listen to a redpill podcast you quickly realize these guys never talk about the actual act of sex. They are obsessed with fucking hot girls but spend no time actually talking about how to have good sex. This is because they don't care about the sex itself, their motivation for sex is purely as an indicator of status and a way of asserting power over women. The denial of effort (redpill guys even say you shouldn't care about making your partner orgasm) is another way of asserting…	/r/PurplePillDebate	03/10/24 01:53 AM
12	Do most men really want “traditional women” or to receive treatment they imagine top tier Chads receive from women? Lol interesting take. It is kinda insane how Tate openly calls his mom a dumb whore for sleeping with his dad. There is likely some self-hate going on with these guys, they have daddy issues and it manifests in a reflexive hate towards women. Either they have to admit dad their is the one who is at fault or just blame their moms for being whores. Because these guys all secretly crave affection from their dads they blame the moms and triple down on it by saying ALL women are dirty whores. This do…	/r/PurplePillDebate	03/10/24 01:49 AM
9	Do most men really want “traditional women” or to receive treatment they imagine top tier Chads receive from women? I agree. But also women seeing some men get addicted to porn and fork over massive amounts of money to OF hoes makes them question the whole "save yourself and fully put your trust in a man to lead/provide" thing.	/r/PurplePillDebate	02/10/24 10:24 PM
29	Do most men really want “traditional women” or to receive treatment they imagine top tier Chads receive from women? I have a theory a lot of redpill dudes (fans of tate and F&F) know deep down they wouldn't be good trad fathers or doing so would conflict with their desired lifestyle. So the trad stuff is just an illusion to signal moral superiority and internally justify engaging in promiscuity.	/r/PurplePillDebate	02/10/24 10:20 PM
20	Do most men really want “traditional women” or to receive treatment they imagine top tier Chads receive from women? I think some just like the feeling of desecrating a pure, traditional woman. It gives them a sense of power to know this woman is giving up something valuable to them (their purity) in exchange for very little in return.	/r/PurplePillDebate	02/10/24 10:18 PM
8	Do most men really want “traditional women” or to receive treatment they imagine top tier Chads receive from women? Maybe for some men. For others they demand a virgin, or a woman who lets them have sex without commitment/investment. So it can be framed as "I just want to be desired" when in reality being desired means a set of demands that don't necessarily correlate with desire. These men are framing their insecurity about attraction as a need for affection to try to manipulate their partner into having sex with them. Its a similar sort of situation to women who use their insecurity about attraction to mani…	/r/PurplePillDebate	02/10/24 10:13 PM
–	There is nothing wrong with not being selected by women you are too cool for sex	/r/PurplePillDebate	30/09/24 10:06 PM
–	Women's dating advice comes from a place of ignorant privilege Well the idea is that if you improve then you will end up with a relationship. Obviously its not guaranteed but generally society puts forth the idea that putting in the effort (good mental/physical health, good career, hobbies) leads to a relationship. They aren't literally telling men to work hard for nothing. Is there better advice?	/r/PurplePillDebate	30/09/24 06:36 PM
–	Women's dating advice comes from a place of ignorant privilege Wow so I guess finding a relationship is super easy. A woman can literally hate you and think you are invisible and you can still get her to marry you. I didn't know it was that easy.	/r/PurplePillDebate	30/09/24 04:57 PM
–	Women's dating advice comes from a place of ignorant privilege 70% of men are in relationships, how is that possible when only 10% are even visible to women? hmmmmm	/r/PurplePillDebate	30/09/24 04:55 PM
–	Women's dating advice comes from a place of ignorant privilege This is so true. The best advice comes from your own trial-and-error and from the people closest to you. Everyone wants to take an online course and then walk into the world with a 100% success rate but dating isn't that simple, especially when you consider that women do have different tastes and you need to find your crowd. As you get more and more niche the success rate increases.	/r/PurplePillDebate	30/09/24 04:54 PM
–	Women's dating advice comes from a place of ignorant privilege CNN is literally running stories about how men are historically unsuccessful in dating, I feel like its being acknowedged now. https://www.cnn.com/videos/us/2023/02/25/smr-young-men-in-trouble.cnn The difference is that the response isn't "these women should stop being so picky and only wanting chad" its generally "men should work harder on x/y/z" So is that an ok way to acknowedge the situation?	/r/PurplePillDebate	30/09/24 04:51 PM
–	There is nothing wrong with not being selected by women Some guy said that incels aren't mad they don't get picked, they are mad that women are dishonest about their attraction. Then the bluepill lady responded and said women are honest about their attraction. Then you responded and said women actually aren't always honest about their attraction. So do you think women should be more honest and avoid settling down with men they don't find as attractive?	/r/PurplePillDebate	30/09/24 04:46 PM
–	There is nothing wrong with not being selected by women About 1% of men are virgins past the age of 30. So I think the chance of an adult man making six figs, being physically active, and still being a virgin is very low, even if they are 5'8.	/r/PurplePillDebate	30/09/24 04:37 PM
–	There is nothing wrong with not being selected by women So you think the real issue incels have is that women aren't picky enough?	/r/PurplePillDebate	30/09/24 04:33 PM
1	Q4M: Would you prefer to date in the West or in the Middle East Sounds good to me. Planning on doing that soon?	/r/PurplePillDebate	29/09/24 02:19 PM
1	Q4M: Would you prefer to date in the West or in the Middle East What are your main ways to ensure a stable relationship? I would think having a partner who loves/likes you would be one of the main ways.	/r/PurplePillDebate	29/09/24 04:29 AM
1	Q4M: Would you prefer to date in the West or in the Middle East Do you care whether or not your life partner actually likes you?	/r/PurplePillDebate	28/09/24 03:47 PM
1	Obsession with “visceral attraction” is self-sabotage and not consistent with how people really behave What percent of the overall male population commits suicide before 30? Has to be pretty low.	/r/PurplePillDebate	21/09/24 01:12 AM
1	Obsession with “visceral attraction” is self-sabotage and not consistent with how people really behave If you buy a good/service from someone do you expect them to be truthful about its quality?	/r/PurplePillDebate	20/09/24 05:32 PM
0	Obsession with “visceral attraction” is self-sabotage and not consistent with how people really behave Do you expect the fire department to help if your house is on fire?	/r/PurplePillDebate	20/09/24 05:25 PM
0	I feel like people see dating as some sort of rpg skill check I made an overall point: If you are very unattractive becoming attractive means changing a lot about yourself, and if you really want a relationship then you should be willing to put in this effort. Is there something I'm missing?	/r/PurplePillDebate	20/09/24 05:09 PM
-1	Obsession with “visceral attraction” is self-sabotage and not consistent with how people really behave Yeah we do, as a participant in society you owe everyone else your obedience to its fundamental principles and its laws.	/r/PurplePillDebate	20/09/24 05:07 PM
0	Obsession with “visceral attraction” is self-sabotage and not consistent with how people really behave How about you find those people and then you all go off to the jungle together and have fun. Don't involve the rest of us please.	/r/PurplePillDebate	20/09/24 04:38 PM
1	I feel like people see dating as some sort of rpg skill check Yes, if you are very unattractive becoming attractive means changing a lot about yourself. Its achievable though. That dude could totally take photos of himself where he isn't dressed like spiderman, he could develop other interests besides anime. People will train to run triathlons for fun, if having a relationship is that important then put in some effort.	/r/PurplePillDebate	20/09/24 04:35 PM
1	Modern men appear interested in having kids or having a large family more so than modern women No one is going to trust you to have kids with unless you can prove you are motivated and competent. Its kind of a catch-22; you can't get motivation without kids but you need to be motivated for someone to have kids with you. The only solution is to have a delayed-gratification mindset, you have to convince yourself that motivation now WILL result in what you want later.	/r/PurplePillDebate	20/09/24 04:29 PM
-1	Obsession with “visceral attraction” is self-sabotage and not consistent with how people really behave Do you acknowledge that those other factors (like your personality, competence, etc) can lead to primal attraction?	/r/PurplePillDebate	20/09/24 03:42 PM
0	Obsession with “visceral attraction” is self-sabotage and not consistent with how people really behave Do you believe visceral attraction is immediate and binary (either you have it or you never will) or is it something that can grow within a person?	/r/PurplePillDebate	20/09/24 03:41 PM
3	Obsession with “visceral attraction” is self-sabotage and not consistent with how people really behave I mean if existence requires rape to continue (not saying it does just granting that to you) then theres a strong argument it is unethical. Don't think thats a moral question you can just wave away. Also just keep in mind that dating wasn't really a thing for most of human history. In the past women were spoils of war, literally just sold, or given through arranged marriages. Its very new that men are expected to go out, enter specific dating scenarios (apps, clubs, etc), find women themselves, …	/r/PurplePillDebate	20/09/24 03:38 PM
1	Obsession with “visceral attraction” is self-sabotage and not consistent with how people really behave There has never been a good "effortless" relationship. Maybe it feels easy at the start but it takes tons of effort to keep intense intimacy going for years. Guys who put in no effort will end up squandering the initial attraction and be "blindsided" when their gf tells them its not working out. I agree guys should not try to force attraction and should prioritize people who are receptive but thats not the same as saying the relationship should be effortless.	/r/PurplePillDebate	20/09/24 03:32 PM
3	Obsession with “visceral attraction” is self-sabotage and not consistent with how people really behave Thats not true, less than 1% of men are virgins by the age of 30. https://datepsychology.com/are-27-of-young-men-really-virgins-and-why/ That implies some dating experience (unless you think its all escorts or hookups).	/r/PurplePillDebate	20/09/24 03:28 PM
5	Obsession with “visceral attraction” is self-sabotage and not consistent with how people really behave You can believe that chads exist while still believing normal dudes can find love and desire. But the redpill takes things a step further and says that not only do women have attraction to chad, but that its impossible for them to feel genuine desire towards any "non-chad". This is what forces redpillers to say that women constantly marry men they don't even like, living double lives so they can squeeze money out of some poor sucker. Its an awful, nonsensical view of the world. You can find love…	/r/PurplePillDebate	20/09/24 12:57 PM
1	Inexperienced men should lie about their lack of sexual history I agree with everything you said, my point was just that 1-3 sex partners is most desired on average, I didn't go into why. Lots of people on here (not you ofc) think the average 21yo woman has 20+ partners so I didn't even bother with the "its normal" argument. Also the idea that there even is a distinction between high and low SO personalities is usually too much nuance for discussion here. Usually I'm talking with people who think every woman wants to sleep with as many chads as possible.	/r/PurplePillDebate	20/09/24 12:46 PM
12	Inexperienced men should lie about their lack of sexual history This is a little misleading. https://datepsychology.com/body-count-and-sexual-double-standards/ Studies show that men are more desiring of a low-body count partner for LTRs than women but that women still prefer someone with a "low" bodycount. A study by Stewart-Williams et al. (2016) found that for women, willingness to engage in a LTR peaks when the guy has 2 past partners. Willingness starts dropping past 5 partners with women being very unwilling to date a guy with more than 20 past partners…	/r/PurplePillDebate	20/09/24 03:39 AM
4	Inexperienced men should lie about their lack of sexual history That could work, might raise lots of questions long-term though.	/r/PurplePillDebate	20/09/24 03:28 AM
6	Inexperienced men should lie about their lack of sexual history Yes, to a point. If you are a late-teens or early/mid-20s guy definitely lie. There are plenty of women who aren't super experienced themselves (these are the kind of women you will likely be dating as an inexperienced dude yourself) and you can get away with being vague about some past sexual experience. Also its not really expected for a late-teens or early 20s guy to be amazing at sex so you can fumble a bit without instantly killing the vibe. As you get older (into your 30s) conversations be…	/r/PurplePillDebate	19/09/24 04:42 PM
2	I don't understand what the blue pill is even supposed to be about Can you link this government research?	/r/PurplePillDebate	17/09/24 06:57 PM
2	I don't understand what the blue pill is even supposed to be about I often see incels online say "the average man is one breakup away from inceldom". The thing is this is kinda true, and illuminates what being an "incel" really means. It is totally normal to spend months trying and failing to find a relationship. Feelings of unrequited love and loneliness are near universal. Basically everyone has spent time in their lives where they wanted a romantic partner but couldn't find one. For normal people struggling with dating is a part of life. But for incels, it i…	/r/PurplePillDebate	17/09/24 06:56 PM
–	Women hate the manosphere because the manosphere teaches men to protect themselves from women, which makes it harder for women to exploit us That doesn't contradict what I said. ~60% of men under 30 are single but overall only 30% of men are single. That disproves the claim "the vast majority of men are pathetic losers who can't get a relationship"	/r/PurplePillDebate	21/07/24 04:24 PM
5	The "Nice Guy" trope is, in most cases, a projection on the woman's part What percent of women do you think date drug-addict criminals?	/r/PurplePillDebate	21/07/24 03:44 PM
–	Women hate the manosphere because the manosphere teaches men to protect themselves from women, which makes it harder for women to exploit us Here is evidence against the claim "the vast majority of men are pathetic losers who can't get a relationship" https://www.pewresearch.org/social-trends/2020/08/20/a-profile-of-single-americans/ According to this only ~30% of men are single.	/r/PurplePillDebate	21/07/24 03:43 PM
1	The "Nice Guy" trope is, in most cases, a projection on the woman's part This just isn't true. Women date more attractive nice men and ignore less attractive nice men.	/r/PurplePillDebate	21/07/24 03:22 PM
0	The "Nice Guy" trope is, in most cases, a projection on the woman's part Women generally date men who are nice to them. Being nice is the bare minimum to be considered dateable. Outside of that other things matter like attractiveness, status, etc.	/r/PurplePillDebate	21/07/24 03:22 PM
2	Friends of perpetually single men often have a different perspective than perpetually single men themselves Those numbers are just the amount of men who are currently single, it has very little to do with whether they will be chronically single their entire lives. The number of chronically single men has always been very low and much lower than the percent of currently single young men. Even before online dating it was normal for around 50% of young men to be single at a time. However, the vast majority of people find success eventually.	/r/PurplePillDebate	19/07/24 04:40 PM
1	What are PPD’s thoughts on Richard Reeves’ comment that childless and wifeless men comparatively “do terribly”? Married men face higher pressure to earn more and to keep themselves healthy, they also take fewer risks and commit less crime. So that is a causal explaination for the relationship. All these correlations are bidirectional. Marriage incentivizes men to earn more, be healthy, etc and ALSO married men tend to be healthier, earn more, etc. Its not just one way.	/r/PurplePillDebate	18/07/24 02:54 PM
13	Women simultaneously dislike men approaching because they feel treated as "romantic prospects" instead of "regular people" yet dread the moment a male friend would suggests something more Women have multiple friends. Some of her friends she is more willing to date, some of them there is 0 attraction. The outcome depends on that.	/r/PurplePillDebate	18/07/24 02:48 PM
2	Friends of perpetually single men often have a different perspective than perpetually single men themselves Ok so why didn't you say "we have to wait a few decades to know how many men are undatable"? Where did that 20-30% number come from?	/r/PurplePillDebate	18/07/24 02:45 PM
6	Friends of perpetually single men often have a different perspective than perpetually single men themselves Studies find around 3% of men aged 45 and older report never having been in a relationship: (8% of College educated men are never married at age 45, 12% of non-college educated) https://np.reddit.com/r/dataisbeautiful/comments/111ege5/oc_forever_alone_degrees_of_higher_education/ (21% of unmarried people 40 and older have never been in a relationship) https://www.pewresearch.org/social-trends/2020/08/20/a-profile-of-single-americans/ Maybe these results are not accurate, but I don't think the ac…	/r/PurplePillDebate	18/07/24 12:47 AM
4	Friends of perpetually single men often have a different perspective than perpetually single men themselves There are men who just don't try. But if you mean "perpetually single despite trying" I agree with you. I would be interested to see what percent of men you think fit that label though.	/r/PurplePillDebate	17/07/24 11:15 PM
1	Which woman would you pick? I'd pick Heather. I value intelligence and if she likes the same music thats a big green flag. The biggest negative is I wouldn't want to be with someone who is just "content", ideally I would mean more to them than that. Wouldn't want to be with Mina because she would demean my intelligence which would get annoying because I like talking about stuff. Not Suzy because she also sounds annoying and going out every weekend would be tiring. Anna also seems annoying. Thinking about it more I guess I …	/r/PurplePillDebate	17/07/24 09:47 PM
1	It does feel like the Blue Pillers here are committed to making men feel like they're never the prize Lol I love how on here the "deranged feminist bluepill" ideas are that marriage is good. I believe marriage is generally good for everyone, men and women. Thats a normal opinion to have and is supported by numerous studies on happiness, health, life expectancy, and income.	/r/PurplePillDebate	17/07/24 09:32 PM
9	It does feel like the Blue Pillers here are committed to making men feel like they're never the prize Yes, casual sex is easier for women. Has anyone ever denied this?	/r/PurplePillDebate	17/07/24 09:28 PM
2	As a woman (and who will qualify as a liberal no less), I feel there are way too many posts here trying to guilt trip cuckolded men to bring up kids that are not theirs. I say I have to disagree with Blue Pill on this one. You don't pay child support until the child is born (which republicans are trying to change). And after the child is born the father has parental rights.	/r/PurplePillDebate	16/07/24 04:06 PM
3	I've found that, contrary to what women say, one's ability to be friends with women and one's ability to be romantic with them are unrelated They separated by looking at quality and type of relationship and found that more established relationships (like marriage) and healthier relationships have a better effect on mental health. Relationship distress is associated with negative mental health outcomes. Overall though, relationship status, whether you are in a relationship or not, is bidirectionally associated with positive mental health outcomes. However, I agree you can get romantic attention without a relationship. That is not esse…	/r/PurplePillDebate	16/07/24 04:05 PM
2	I've found that, contrary to what women say, one's ability to be friends with women and one's ability to be romantic with them are unrelated I don't think you can separate the two. Relationships basically always involve romantic attention. If they didn't you wouldn't see these results where relationship status, not romantic attention, has a strong effect.	/r/PurplePillDebate	16/07/24 03:45 PM
3	As a woman (and who will qualify as a liberal no less), I feel there are way too many posts here trying to guilt trip cuckolded men to bring up kids that are not theirs. I say I have to disagree with Blue Pill on this one. There is common-law marriage in some states, true. The issue with marriage and kids is that if you are married the husband automatically goes on the birth certificate as the father. You might criticize that, but in situations where the father is not on the birth certificate (like unmarried couples) the mother can put the child up for adoption without the fathers consent (at least in Ohio I believe). Changing a birth certificate is difficult, compounded by the fact that the state doesn't want to …	/r/PurplePillDebate	16/07/24 03:43 PM
1	I've found that, contrary to what women say, one's ability to be friends with women and one's ability to be romantic with them are unrelated Can you rephrase the question? The study is about the impact of romantic relationships on mental health.	/r/PurplePillDebate	16/07/24 03:35 PM
10	I've found that, contrary to what women say, one's ability to be friends with women and one's ability to be romantic with them are unrelated "Most people are sexually active (and the GSS also shows that most sex occurs within committed relationships, see: How Many Sexual Partners Did Men and Women Have in 2022?). Additionally, a similar percentage of men and women are sexually inactive. This leaves the remaining 20% in a mating pool with one another. An additional percentage (perhaps 6-10% based on the distribution above) may accumulate an additional annual partner through serial monogamy; these are people who have switched from one …	/r/PurplePillDebate	16/07/24 03:22 PM
2	I've found that, contrary to what women say, one's ability to be friends with women and one's ability to be romantic with them are unrelated Well, I disagree. Romantic relationships are shown to have incredibly positive impacts on mental health. Also, you get laid. https://www.sciencedirect.com/science/article/abs/pii/S2352250X16300252 And relationships are an indicator of attraction. You are giving someone sexual access for months if not years as well as spending tons of time with them. In a liberal social framework where relationships are not forced attraction does matter.	/r/PurplePillDebate	16/07/24 03:17 PM
1	I've found that, contrary to what women say, one's ability to be friends with women and one's ability to be romantic with them are unrelated True in most cases, many women don't care though. Also people are delusional and either believe they aren't going to get pregnant or they blindly trust birth control.	/r/PurplePillDebate	16/07/24 02:33 PM
3	As a woman (and who will qualify as a liberal no less), I feel there are way too many posts here trying to guilt trip cuckolded men to bring up kids that are not theirs. I say I have to disagree with Blue Pill on this one. Nope, once you nut your biological information is entering the body of someone else. Its on them to have the final say in decisions until the fetus is a person or they are no longer carrying it in their body. The father has no right to violate the autonomy of the woman.	/r/PurplePillDebate	16/07/24 02:32 PM
6	As a woman (and who will qualify as a liberal no less), I feel there are way too many posts here trying to guilt trip cuckolded men to bring up kids that are not theirs. I say I have to disagree with Blue Pill on this one. If the bio dad ran away in the first place he probably has no interest in raising the kid and will not do a good job. Dunno if the grandparents will be interested either. Its a shitty situation all around, I think the mother should have default responsibility though. She chose to carry the child despite knowing the truth, its on her now to raise it.	/r/PurplePillDebate	16/07/24 02:29 PM
1	I've found that, contrary to what women say, one's ability to be friends with women and one's ability to be romantic with them are unrelated I can't account for every individual interaction, only the broad idea that if a man tries consistently and sets his standards low enough he will eventually get laid. The only thing that could prevent that is by making the woman fear for her safety by being creepy. That would be his fault in that case.	/r/PurplePillDebate	16/07/24 02:27 PM
1	I've found that, contrary to what women say, one's ability to be friends with women and one's ability to be romantic with them are unrelated okay good luck	/r/PurplePillDebate	16/07/24 02:25 PM
3	As a woman (and who will qualify as a liberal no less), I feel there are way too many posts here trying to guilt trip cuckolded men to bring up kids that are not theirs. I say I have to disagree with Blue Pill on this one. There is a difference between assault and a consensual medical procedure designed to keep the mother safe. The mother and the fetus are being beaten against her will, a mother CHOOSES to have an abortion. There is also a massive difference in safety and health risk.	/r/PurplePillDebate	16/07/24 02:23 PM
14	As a woman (and who will qualify as a liberal no less), I feel there are way too many posts here trying to guilt trip cuckolded men to bring up kids that are not theirs. I say I have to disagree with Blue Pill on this one. "I think if the mother is sitting in prison for 5 years on paternity fraud charges, most men are going to be just fine taking care of the child. Any kid is better off without a mom like that anyway." Lol no way. You are saying not only was I deceived for years into spending untold time and resources into another man's kid, now I have to raise that kid as a single dad? This would only work if the kid was sent to the biological father. Would be a terrible outcome for the kid though.	/r/PurplePillDebate	16/07/24 02:21 PM
1	I've found that, contrary to what women say, one's ability to be friends with women and one's ability to be romantic with them are unrelated For most women yeah but you gotta lower your standards.	/r/PurplePillDebate	16/07/24 02:14 PM
2	I've found that, contrary to what women say, one's ability to be friends with women and one's ability to be romantic with them are unrelated I knew a bunch of guys like that in high school. They were friendly with girls but it never led to a girlfriend or romantic experience. I fit that definition myself, actually. There is a difference between being jokey/friendly and actually building attraction. Most of us were too nervous/shy to actually try flirting so we stayed as friends. All those guys, including me, did eventually find romantic success in college. I think it comes down to being late bloomers and not having the right social c…	/r/PurplePillDebate	16/07/24 02:12 PM
1	I've found that, contrary to what women say, one's ability to be friends with women and one's ability to be romantic with them are unrelated Andrew Tate has a specific sexual strategy based around him being jacked, tall, a pro fighter, and rich. You can't copy his additude if you don't have the skills and looks to back it up.	/r/PurplePillDebate	16/07/24 02:08 PM
2	I've found that, contrary to what women say, one's ability to be friends with women and one's ability to be romantic with them are unrelated Basically any guy can get laid as long as he isn't awkward/creepy and his standards are low enough.	/r/PurplePillDebate	16/07/24 02:06 PM
-1	I've found that, contrary to what women say, one's ability to be friends with women and one's ability to be romantic with them are unrelated Women are more likely to have sex with someone they know than a random person. The idea that women ignore all the men in their lives and chase randos is just not true, people overwhelmingly have sex within relationships or situationships (where they know the person).	/r/PurplePillDebate	16/07/24 02:05 PM
8	I've found that, contrary to what women say, one's ability to be friends with women and one's ability to be romantic with them are unrelated I know two types of people who are generally very successful with women: "Bro types" who don't necessarily have female friends but are often in social spaces with women and have no issue socially engaging with women at parties and events. Very socially active guys who are nice and very well liked by everyone. By nature of being very active and doing lots of stuff these guys have all sorts of random skills and know everyone. Here is why your title is wrong, the ability to make friends and sociall…	/r/PurplePillDebate	16/07/24 02:00 PM
5	Assuming somehow, someway, your concerns are alleviated, do you have anything against an AI/Robot girlfriend? You have to understand he has never received sexual pleasure or romantic validation from a woman (except for one kiss I guess). Its got to the point where his psychology has totally disconnected actual women from romance and sex and displaced the desire onto AI. So you accuse him of only valuing women for sexual pleasure and romantic validation when its literally the opposite. He doesn't see actual women as a possible avenue for romance or sex anymore.	/r/PurplePillDebate	15/07/24 04:42 PM
1	What drives women to settle for guys they're not attracted to in the modern era? Yes, they found that disgust increases with less attractive faces. But there was a significant increase in disgust levels even for attractive faces. They also found sexual arousal does not decrease the disgust of imagining sex with a stranger. <image> This is a possible explaination from the paper: "The mixed findings in women could also be explained by the sex-specific challenges in evolutionary history (Buss and Schmitt 1993). Women face greater potential costs from sexual intercourse, because…	/r/PurplePillDebate	17/06/24 06:36 PM
4	What drives women to settle for guys they're not attracted to in the modern era? I disagree with your "facts" Attraction for women works differently than for men. Women do not instantly feel sexually attracted to men by looks alone except in very extreme circumstances. This is why women will literally never accept a hookup with a stranger whereas ~60% of men will. Women also rate having sex with a very attractive stranger as disgusting (though sex with a less attractive stranger is significantly more disgusting). Zsok F, Fleischman DS, Borg C, Morrison E. 2017. Disgust Trump…	/r/PurplePillDebate	17/06/24 01:01 PM
–	I Dated Straight Men So You Don't Have To: A Straight Mans Guide To Dating Straight Men The idea is to show what kind of matches women can get on tinder. Plenty of people on here agree its easier for women to get matches but say those matches are either extremely unattractive, hypersexual, or just total losers (no job, etc). The point of this experiment was to see if that was true, could a normal women get 7 dates with attractive, normal guys in a week or would all her matches just be sex fiends and losers? Turns out for the average woman it takes less than a day to find 7 normal g…	/r/PurplePillDebate	16/06/24 09:21 PM
4	Most men who can't find a girlfriend can't expand their social circle as well On their own they won't but they give you opportunities you can take advantage of to find relationships. If one of your friends has a girlfriend she can introduce you to a single friend of hers. If one of your friends gets invited to a party he can bring you along and you can meet girls there. If one of your friends is going to hang out with a group he can bring you along and you can be introduced to the group. There are more examples but this is off the top of my head. You still need to be able…	/r/PurplePillDebate	16/06/24 09:17 PM
–	I Dated Straight Men So You Don't Have To: A Straight Mans Guide To Dating Straight Men About average in age and looks, have a normal bio. Is that what you mean?	/r/PurplePillDebate	16/06/24 09:14 PM
–	I Dated Straight Men So You Don't Have To: A Straight Mans Guide To Dating Straight Men The woman did not participate, she just gave OP the photos to use for the account. The woman (in the photos) was supposed to be around average in age and looks. OP did all the messaging and swiping.	/r/PurplePillDebate	16/06/24 09:11 PM
–	I Dated Straight Men So You Don't Have To: A Straight Mans Guide To Dating Straight Men Thanks for doing this. It should be obvious that women have it much easier in online dating compared to men considering the ratio is 3:1 men to women on Tinder and thats before you subtract all the bots and women who just use it for validation or barely at all. And I mean easier in all regards. Its easier to find sex, easier to find a LTR, easier to get a free meal. Everything is easier for women on OLD because they have so many more options.	/r/PurplePillDebate	16/06/24 09:10 PM
–	I Dated Straight Men So You Don't Have To: A Straight Mans Guide To Dating Straight Men This was a reverse tinder experiment. Rather than a woman running a guys tinder account this was a guy running a womans tinder account to see her experience. The bet was that this guy (using an average womans account) could not get 7 dates in a week with men who were kind, fairly attractive, and had jobs. OP proved them wrong in 18 hours.	/r/PurplePillDebate	16/06/24 09:07 PM
2	Most men who can't find a girlfriend can't expand their social circle as well Well for those single guys building up a social circle is gonna take work and effort but the dynamics are not nearly as complex as finding a relationship. I disagree that men who are single are unlikely to be able to form male friendships. It might be difficult for them but its very achievable, especially if they find friends from within their hobbies.	/r/PurplePillDebate	16/06/24 08:53 PM
3	Most men who can't find a girlfriend can't expand their social circle as well I don't get what the confusion is. Having more friends makes it easier to get warm introductions to single women. Having more friends also generally means better social skills which makes it easier to date. Not saying you need a big social circle to find a girlfriend but having one definitely helps, especially if currently your only options for dating are online. But it seems you are implying there are some men who just can't do either, they can't make friends or find a relationship, no matter h…	/r/PurplePillDebate	16/06/24 08:37 PM
20	Most men who can't find a girlfriend can't expand their social circle as well If an individual is asking for advice the best advice will always be focused to that individual. Yes, there are things we can do on a societal level to make it easier for men to socialize but that doesn't help the person seeking advice currently. To help the individual they need to be guided towards improvement in their own life, rather than waiting for some major societal change.	/r/PurplePillDebate	16/06/24 08:27 PM
1	Most men who can't find a girlfriend can't expand their social circle as well Yes but they could if they needed to	/r/PurplePillDebate	16/06/24 08:23 PM
1	There is a certain irony behind the RPs line of logic of “young women have less baggage” when the RP encourages behaviors that give young women emotional baggage So you would say the majority of women you meet instantly want to fuck you? Thats pretty impressive.	/r/PurplePillDebate	13/06/24 01:22 AM
5	There is a certain irony behind the RPs line of logic of “young women have less baggage” when the RP encourages behaviors that give young women emotional baggage What percent of women get pumped and dumped by chads? How did you get to that number? Redpillers talk about this world where most women have a promiscuous past sleeping with chad then settle down with beta billy and give him pity sex before divorcing him. There is no evidence that actually happens though. Its basically a victimhood fantasy, like BLM activists who say every time black people interact with police they get assaulted.	/r/PurplePillDebate	12/06/24 12:55 AM
4	There is a certain irony behind the RPs line of logic of “young women have less baggage” when the RP encourages behaviors that give young women emotional baggage How do you know the majority of women are hoes? How did you figure this out?	/r/PurplePillDebate	12/06/24 12:49 AM
–	Women should avoid dating late bloomer men Thanks for agreeing with me. And yes, this sub is full of social retards, I get it.	/r/PurplePillDebate	29/05/24 02:59 PM
–	Women should avoid dating late bloomer men The concession I will make is its usually not JUST studying. But yes, it is totally possible to be too busy to have the time to invest in dating success.	/r/PurplePillDebate	29/05/24 02:58 PM
–	Women should avoid dating late bloomer men People go through cycles of loneliness. Maybe at 25 someone goes through a breakup and moves to a new city. Now they are lonely. But I'm guessing you are not talking about that, you are talking about someone who has always been lonely up to age 25. If that person is defective, what should they do?	/r/PurplePillDebate	29/05/24 02:56 PM
1	CMV Dating only becomes easier for men in their 30s because women at that age become more desperate. I can't think of a single example where that is the case. Typically people ended up dating within similar groups they hooked up with. All the athlete-chasers got passed around but then would eventually date one of the athletes, not a random guy. All the nerdy/artsy girls would hook up with nerdy/artsy guys (rarely) and end up dating someone from that group. Maybe its because outside of a few communities in my school hookups weren't that common. For the most part people would have FWB that would …	/r/PurplePillDebate	29/05/24 02:50 PM
0	CMV Dating only becomes easier for men in their 30s because women at that age become more desperate. What are your standards for a partner?	/r/PurplePillDebate	29/05/24 02:44 PM
–	Women should avoid dating late bloomer men Why should they have done that? What if they want a career in STEM and are okay with waiting to date?	/r/PurplePillDebate	29/05/24 02:42 PM
–	Women should avoid dating late bloomer men Maybe your brother is just really smart. Individual differences in intelligence exist. Maybe work that takes the average STEMlord 3 hours takes him 30 minutes.	/r/PurplePillDebate	29/05/24 02:37 PM
–	Women should avoid dating late bloomer men I don't know how often it happens, thats not my argument. My argument is just that it is possible.	/r/PurplePillDebate	29/05/24 02:34 PM
–	Women should avoid dating late bloomer men For some people it is. Not just studying though, its studying/working/clubs/self-care. Also I love how I made a totally valid point about dating success taking lots of time and your response was "whatever"	/r/PurplePillDebate	29/05/24 02:33 PM
–	Women should avoid dating late bloomer men I agree that personal responsibility matters, I disagree that someone being lonely means they are "selfish" and "struggle with empathy". It seems like you have bought into the just world fallacy where if someone fails it has to be because of some negative defect and not bad luck, circumstance, or the effects of others. Learning can take time. Telling people that they are defective and a selfish person if they are lonely actually prevents them from learning and feeling confident enough to interac…	/r/PurplePillDebate	29/05/24 02:31 PM
–	Women should avoid dating late bloomer men Okay? And some people can't do that.	/r/PurplePillDebate	29/05/24 02:26 PM
–	Women should avoid dating late bloomer men Dating takes lots of time. Its not just about "meeting anyone" its about meeting the right person. Someone might have time to date but not enough time to put in the work required to actually succeed. In that case it could make sense to wait until later.	/r/PurplePillDebate	29/05/24 02:24 PM
–	Women should avoid dating late bloomer men You are just wrong. Its not that difficult to avoid social gatherings, some people just don't ever get invited and its scary to seek them out if you don't know anyone "Someone is lonely in college so it must be deliberate" is just so wrong and goes against my own experience and that of literally hundreds of people I know. College can be a lonely, isolating place even if you want to reach out and be social. It has nothing to do with being selfish. https://www.totalcareaba.com/statistics/student-s…	/r/PurplePillDebate	29/05/24 02:20 PM
–	Women should avoid dating late bloomer men Depends on the situation, its impossible to make a blanket statement like that. Don't forget some people have to work while in college.	/r/PurplePillDebate	29/05/24 02:15 PM
–	Women should avoid dating late bloomer men Too nervous Only in male-dominated spaces and friend groups Not good at flirting, lack confidence in their sexuality Lack of any romantic attention from women (contributes to point 3) Basically everyone in my HS friend group (including me) were total virgins until graduation (but we all got laid within the first few years of college). It was mostly for those reasons. I knew tons of people (men and women) who were still virgins at graduation, its not that weird anymore. The percent of people grad…	/r/PurplePillDebate	29/05/24 02:14 PM
–	Women should avoid dating late bloomer men No one cares bro, make some actual friends and whine to them.	/r/PurplePillDebate	29/05/24 02:07 PM
–	Women should avoid dating late bloomer men There are also tons of situations where it is reasonable to not have time to date in college.	/r/PurplePillDebate	29/05/24 02:04 PM
–	Women should avoid dating late bloomer men If you are working part time and trying to get straight As in hard classes and doing extracurricular clubs its feasible that you don't have much time for dating. Maybe you met your husband in class but thats not reality for lots of people in college. They have to really put themselves out there and consistently try to find a partner. That takes time.	/r/PurplePillDebate	29/05/24 02:02 PM
–	Women logic: quick sex for men with red flags, good men must wait 0.01% is much closer to the truth than 5% You say chads have 50 different sexual partners a year, only 1% of men reported between 11-20 partners in 2022. There is no data beyond that because so few men reported past 20. It might not be 0.01% but it is way closer to that than to 5%. Its definitely below 1% but how far below is tbd. https://datepsychology.com/how-many-sexual-partners-did-men-and-women-have-in-2022/ We can deduce the percentage in other ways though. If a chad has 50 new partners a …	/r/PurplePillDebate	28/05/24 09:26 PM
–	Women logic: quick sex for men with red flags, good men must wait Except by this definition most women will never actually meet a chad. Men who can get women to fuck them by looks alone are in the top 0.01%. Try walking up to women and saying "have sex with me tonight". Basically every single man will fail at this 100% of the time. Studies of college students have consistently shown this, women are disgusted at the thought of casual sex with a stranger even if they are conventionally attractive. A true chad might exist, but is very rare. Women might dream abou…	/r/PurplePillDebate	28/05/24 07:43 PM
–	Women logic: quick sex for men with red flags, good men must wait If you are talking a short term (around 1-2 years) relationship that involves having sex with her hundreds of times as well as intimate acts like cuddling. If she is a good girlfriend she will cook for you and buy/make you gifts. If you extend the possibility to longer relationships it could involve having kids and creating a family. So yes, there are many ways to get a "win" over the guy who hits it once and leaves. Also just doing casual hookups does not lead to consistent sex. Very few men ar…	/r/PurplePillDebate	28/05/24 07:35 PM
–	Women logic: quick sex for men with red flags, good men must wait What if she is a virgin who is waiting for marriage? What if she only has sex with people she is in a relationship with? (assuming she has been consistent with this rule)	/r/PurplePillDebate	28/05/24 07:30 PM
–	Yes Virginia, appearing ‘creepy’ in public can get you jail time Laws are currently gender neutral. There is no law stating that womens claims of sexual assault get taken more seriously than mens. You are describing a social factor. And I think its terrible that society is socially biased against men, I think that should change.	/r/PurplePillDebate	22/05/24 02:10 PM
–	Yes Virginia, appearing ‘creepy’ in public can get you jail time He should but its a 20 year old woman, I doubt she has more than 30k in savings.	/r/PurplePillDebate	22/05/24 02:04 PM
–	Yes Virginia, appearing ‘creepy’ in public can get you jail time What the woman did in this case is illegal. You aren't describing any sort of legal framework, you are describing an effect of social bias. We are more likely to believe men assault women because we see man as dangerous and women as innocent victims. That has nothing to do with the law though.	/r/PurplePillDebate	22/05/24 02:03 PM
–	Yes Virginia, appearing ‘creepy’ in public can get you jail time Emmett Till wasn't arrested, he was extrajudicially lynched. Manufacturing a crime is wrong, but you are overlooking the part where they murdered him before even doing any sort of investigation. In this case they did an investigation and exonerated the accused.	/r/PurplePillDebate	22/05/24 02:00 PM
–	So what if women follow the alpha fucks, beta bucks strategy? I have yet to see proof that the beta guy actually achieves worse outcomes overall I would be interested to see how many young men think not being a virgin is a sign of bad character.	/r/PurplePillDebate	20/05/24 03:51 PM
–	So what if women follow the alpha fucks, beta bucks strategy? I have yet to see proof that the beta guy actually achieves worse outcomes overall How so? She can still have a family.	/r/PurplePillDebate	20/05/24 03:12 PM
–	So what if women follow the alpha fucks, beta bucks strategy? I have yet to see proof that the beta guy actually achieves worse outcomes overall I think we should provide mandatory genetic screenings at birth which include information about chronic disease risk and paternity info.	/r/PurplePillDebate	20/05/24 03:12 PM
–	So what if women follow the alpha fucks, beta bucks strategy? I have yet to see proof that the beta guy actually achieves worse outcomes overall If I only had to eat once or twice and would get a massive reward I probably would. Also I am in favor of men getting paternity tests even if they don't have a real reason to suspect, I'd probably get one if I had a kid.	/r/PurplePillDebate	20/05/24 02:19 PM
–	So what if women follow the alpha fucks, beta bucks strategy? I have yet to see proof that the beta guy actually achieves worse outcomes overall We are assuming the guy at least thinks the kids are his. Thats usually how beta bucks are described, they aren't always stepdads. And in situations where the guy thinks the kids are his paternity fraud is hypothesized to be between 2-3% (but its hard to get an accurate number). So if I thinks the kids are his (and there are no massive red flags) the kids are probably his. https://www.discovermagazine.com/the-sciences/the-paternity-myth-the-rarity-of-cuckoldry Also women fare worse financially i…	/r/PurplePillDebate	20/05/24 02:12 PM
–	So what if women follow the alpha fucks, beta bucks strategy? I have yet to see proof that the beta guy actually achieves worse outcomes overall And the redpill constantly states the modern world is kind to women. I guess they should agree with me on this. (Not saying you are redpill just making a general point)	/r/PurplePillDebate	20/05/24 02:06 PM
–	So what if women follow the alpha fucks, beta bucks strategy? I have yet to see proof that the beta guy actually achieves worse outcomes overall The alternative of being single is generally seen as better than having kids with a guy you dislike.	/r/PurplePillDebate	20/05/24 01:52 PM
–	So what if women follow the alpha fucks, beta bucks strategy? I have yet to see proof that the beta guy actually achieves worse outcomes overall If you have no evidence just admit it. You can say "well it needs to be studied because I think its happening". So you think women get married and have kids with a guy knowing they will divorce him and raise kids in a broken home? Interesting. Dead bedrooms exist but generally happen many years into the relationship. You can't compare the sex drive in a year-one relationship vs the sex drive in a year 8 relationship after they have both gotten fatter and had kids. It has nothing to do with alpha…	/r/PurplePillDebate	20/05/24 01:49 PM
–	So what if women follow the alpha fucks, beta bucks strategy? I have yet to see proof that the beta guy actually achieves worse outcomes overall Wow being a beta is less common than I thought. (Paternity fraud rate is thought to be from 2-3%). https://www.discovermagazine.com/the-sciences/the-paternity-myth-the-rarity-of-cuckoldry	/r/PurplePillDebate	20/05/24 01:42 PM
–	So what if women follow the alpha fucks, beta bucks strategy? I have yet to see proof that the beta guy actually achieves worse outcomes overall Most people travel and have fun with their families. Also depending on your perspective having kids is better than partying. Maybe you would rather party, up to you.	/r/PurplePillDebate	20/05/24 01:36 PM
–	So what if women follow the alpha fucks, beta bucks strategy? I have yet to see proof that the beta guy actually achieves worse outcomes overall Why would women have kids and a family with someone they don't feel a shred of attraction for vs just continue being single? We see that women are willing to be single if they don't get what they want, whats causing all these women to have kids with men they actually hate and think are ugly?	/r/PurplePillDebate	20/05/24 01:32 PM
–	So what if women follow the alpha fucks, beta bucks strategy? I have yet to see proof that the beta guy actually achieves worse outcomes overall More desirable by what metric? If she doesn't date the beta when she is in her "party" phase but dates him when she wants a family thats a matter of perspective. Someone who wants a family would say she is more desirable when she is in her "family" phase.	/r/PurplePillDebate	20/05/24 01:28 PM
–	So what if women follow the alpha fucks, beta bucks strategy? I have yet to see proof that the beta guy actually achieves worse outcomes overall Why would they have kids with someone they don't respect? Also how is the treatment of the beta guy different? I never see this supported with evidence, its always just "well she doesn't do anal" or "she isn't as exciting".	/r/PurplePillDebate	20/05/24 01:23 PM
1	Case study: A top 10% man who has it all. Why aren’t women interested in him? Read the replies, Jake himself literally admits he is picky. He could easily get a gf if he wanted one.	/r/PurplePillDebate	17/05/24 09:11 PM
3	Case study: A top 10% man who has it all. Why aren’t women interested in him? "Jake feels like the only women that he attracts are unattractive" So to be clear Jake attracts plenty of women, just not ones he thinks are attractive (checking the replies Jake himself admits he is picky). Title is misleading. More accurate title: Case study: Why can't my picky, top 10% friend get a woman he considers attractive to date him?	/r/PurplePillDebate	17/05/24 09:08 PM
2	What does a top 20% man look like? Oh I got mixed up and thought you were saying the top 20% guys have sex with 10-30 women a year, my bad. I agree that looking at life in terms of comparing yourself to the general population is silly. Its better to find people who seem similar to you and see how successful they are. Then you see if you can emulate them or if you have to change to be something new. Also for what its worth I don't think OP is looking for life goals. Hes a pretty argumentative bluepill guy so I'm guessing hes looki…	/r/PurplePillDebate	17/05/24 07:55 PM
4	What does a top 20% man look like? Where are you getting your sexual partners # from? According to the general social survey only about 1% of men (18-35) reported over 10 sexual partners in the last year. And men are known to overinflate their partner count on surveys. https://datepsychology.com/how-many-sexual-partners-did-men-and-women-have-in-2022/ Also, echoing what other people have said, a top 20% man will not have all those qualities at once. Just plugging in over 5'10, over 100k income, not obese or married, and between a…	/r/PurplePillDebate	17/05/24 07:38 PM
1	Relationships are pointless if you EXCLUDE sex or starting a family as the primary reason/motivator (this is my perspective) So you agree its possible to have a meaningful relationship without sex or kids? I already explained why your question is irrelevant. This has nothing to do with my personal capabilities. Just because I cannot run a 4 minute mile doesn't mean running a 4 minute mile is impossible. "Donuts are bad" is a false analogy because that is an absolute statement. I have never made an absolute statement. A more accurate analogy is me saying "its possible donuts can be bad" and then eating donuts. I have s…	/r/PurplePillDebate	17/05/24 04:10 AM
1	Relationships are pointless if you EXCLUDE sex or starting a family as the primary reason/motivator (this is my perspective) Why does it matter what I will personally do? I believe it is possible to have a meaningful relationship without sex or starting a family, even though I personally can't do that. I also think its possible to run a 4 minute mile, even though I can't personally do that. Do you not follow my logic? Do you not understand that what makes a relationship meaningful is partially dependent on the people in it? There are general principles (love, compassion, support, etc) that need to be met but the way t…	/r/PurplePillDebate	17/05/24 01:19 AM
1	Polls results from UCSB students (from yik yak) I'm assuming you are talking purpose in a naturalistic, biological sense (genes want to pass on) and not that the sole purpose of life is to have as many kids as possible. No one cares about the evolutionary, biological perspective. We can do way better than that. Would you genuinely say that Niger is the most successful country in the world because it has the highest birthrate? No, you would not. Because other things matter besides just pumping out kids. Like having the freedom to travel, being…	/r/PurplePillDebate	16/05/24 07:40 PM
4	Relationships are pointless if you EXCLUDE sex or starting a family as the primary reason/motivator (this is my perspective) your logic is extremely stupid. Lets say I only listen to music without lyrics. All other music is pointless to me. Even if I believe that I can still defend the idea that music with lyrics can have a point to other people. Same thing with relationships. I even if I personally believe relationships only have a point if you have sex and start a family, I can easily defend relationships where neither of that happens. In that case, both people are choosing to not have sex and a family and instead l…	/r/PurplePillDebate	16/05/24 07:12 PM
0	Polls results from UCSB students (from yik yak) Humans raping animals? Nothing. I don't believe animals are worthy of moral consideration, they are fundamentally different from humans in that their lack of cognition and social awareness makes them unable to follow a basic social contract. I believe eating them for pleasure is justified and using them for sexual pleasure is justified as well. However, if you do rape animals for pleasure it probably means you are super weird, probably get off on inflicting pain and destruction and I don't want …	/r/PurplePillDebate	16/05/24 05:14 PM
0	Polls results from UCSB students (from yik yak) death cultist vs rape cultist which is better hmmmm	/r/PurplePillDebate	16/05/24 02:29 PM
3	Polls results from UCSB students (from yik yak) Considering 85% of women want to date a guy who is either masculine or a mix or both it seems they haven't rejected masculinity in that sense.	/r/PurplePillDebate	16/05/24 02:25 PM
1	Polls results from UCSB students (from yik yak) Going by these results women are more driven then men to pursue power and money and overrepresented in higher education while also being much more likely to want a romantic partner who is more successful than them and having stricter requirements on looks and political views. So women are making more money but it seems they still generally want a tall, attractive, masculine guy who makes more money than them. However now you see an increased preference for liberalism as well and a reluctance to …	/r/PurplePillDebate	16/05/24 02:19 PM
3	Men are entitled The difference is what the men want to do is gain happiness/security from forcing their desires on someone else. What the women want to do is gain happiness/security independently or through mutual cooperation. So the women are asking the men to not do something immoral and are asking men to do something moral (respect her wishes). The men are asking to do something immoral and to break their moral boundaries. Couching it in "well the women are asking this of half the population and men just wan…	/r/PurplePillDebate	12/05/24 11:47 PM
3	Men are entitled It shows how these two scenarios: One wants a life in which men leave her alone. One wants a life in which one woman does not leave him alone. (despite her wanting to) Are not morally comparable. But yes a man wanting women to have sex with him and date him is not immoral. People take an issue when the women clearly say they are not interested but the men believe they are owed the date/sex/etc anyways because they are nice/moral/law-abiding.	/r/PurplePillDebate	12/05/24 11:18 PM
5	Men are entitled Just pointing out that the obvious difference here is that gaining happiness/security from forcing your desires on someone else is less moral than gaining happiness/security independently or through mutual cooperation.	/r/PurplePillDebate	12/05/24 10:53 PM
6	Men are entitled But ideally shouldn't we want to support both? I'm not saying we need to mandate monogamous pairings or anything like that, but if a portion of the population is feeling like romantic connection is out of their reach isn't it good to give them some help? Its gonna be down to them to make use of the resources but ideally we should try something.	/r/PurplePillDebate	12/05/24 09:29 PM
3	Men are entitled I think it means a virgin who has never even held someones hand or had their first kiss. Basically someone with 0 romantic experience of any kind.	/r/PurplePillDebate	12/05/24 09:27 PM
2	Men are entitled No one is entitled to feel safe ALL the time. If you drive drunk or put yourself in other bad situations you will (and should) feel unsafe. However, I think we all agree that a person who follows the rules of society and positively contributes should feel safe. We all want a safe society and to be protected from other people harming us. It gets trickier when it comes to self-harms. I personally believe that ideally we should have societal help structures to assist people who fall victim to self-…	/r/PurplePillDebate	12/05/24 09:23 PM
1	Saving yourself for marriage - what is your opinion? I can understand only wanting sex with someone who loves you but why is marriage necessary? Do you think people can only be in love if they are married?	/r/PurplePillDebate	12/05/24 05:11 PM
3	Only traditional women deserve marriage Plenty of modern women won't stay in a LTR past a certain amount of time (and definitely won't have kids) unless they get married. So the guy benefits by getting to continue the relationship and have kids by introducing marriage. Also the rate and consequences of divorce are overblown. The "women initiate 80% of divorces" stat is incorrect with the real number being between 60-70% depending on the study. Additionally, tons of other factors play into divorce rate, with the the divorce rate for fi…	/r/PurplePillDebate	10/05/24 10:06 PM
1	Being a traditional woman doesn’t mean you don’t have standards. "I can afford it very comfortably." That makes you an extreme minority.	/r/PurplePillDebate	10/05/24 09:52 PM
2	If you let your girlfriend go on an all girls vacation, don't cry to anyone when she cheats on you Your logic is only correct if we assume most of the cheating happens through Ashley Madison, and that all the users of Ashley Madison actually used it to cheat (rather than just making accounts). I would also say Ashley Madison is not the best data source considering how many accounts are fake or inactive. Also only ~15% of the accounts are female so it doesn't really support the idea that "women cheat the second they get the chance". https://www.cbc.ca/news/science/ashley-madison-s-members-by-t…	/r/PurplePillDebate	09/05/24 07:50 PM
16	If you let your girlfriend go on an all girls vacation, don't cry to anyone when she cheats on you "all women will cheat the second they get the chance" gives the same vibe as "all men will rape a woman the second they get a chance" There are plenty of people who pass what are the bare minimum standards of moral behavior (not cheating or raping). If cheating was so commonly desired there wouldn't be a massive taboo around it. An easy proof of this is that in other cultures where cheating is more common there is actually less of a taboo around it. https://www.statista.com/chart/3742/the-countr…	/r/PurplePillDebate	09/05/24 05:25 PM
–	Single doesn’t mean being lonely - you’re focused on the wrong issue Thats why statistics are gathered using random sampling methods and not just putting out a poll on twitter. You really think the people who design these studies, whose job is to perform research, are not familiar with sampling bias?	/r/PurplePillDebate	27/04/24 03:16 AM
–	Single doesn’t mean being lonely - you’re focused on the wrong issue Men have fewer friends than ever. Just read the OP, they provide the statistics. Also: From “The Male Loneliness Epidemic” from Western Oregon University: "For one, research conducted in 2021 found that 15% of men claim that they have no close friends, a staggering 12% increase since 1990. A study published by Equimundo in 2023 found that a majority of men, ranging from older Millennials to Generation Z, agree with the statement, “No one really knows me well,” with Generation Z having the highes…	/r/PurplePillDebate	27/04/24 02:28 AM
–	Single doesn’t mean being lonely - you’re focused on the wrong issue Yes, having a romantic partner is extremely special and an experience friendship cannot replace. I never said that, my point is that friendship can prevent someone from feeling lonely. This post is about lonely men. For men who are lonely, making friends (or finding a partner) can help. If you want a relationship and all the special feelings that come with it, find a relationship. But if our goal as a society is to help men feel less lonely we need to encourage male friendships and community, no…	/r/PurplePillDebate	26/04/24 11:13 PM
–	Single doesn’t mean being lonely - you’re focused on the wrong issue Friendships are more dependent on personality than relationships. Its rare to not be friends with someone for their looks, its very common for someone to be rejected as a romantic partner because of their looks. Personality matters for both, but friendships are more dependent on pure personality.	/r/PurplePillDebate	26/04/24 11:09 PM
2	Single doesn’t mean being lonely - you’re focused on the wrong issue The people I am talking about don't want to settle down, they just want sex. To them "lonely" and "horny" mean the same thing. You seem like a different type of person. Still not clear which thing I said was "insane". Its true that some people don't want to admit friends are a good solution to loneliness because they really just want sex or they want to be able to blame their loneliness on their looks.	/r/PurplePillDebate	26/04/24 05:37 PM
1	Single doesn’t mean being lonely - you’re focused on the wrong issue You are just wrong. When the "male loneliness epidemic" is discussed its framed as an issue of social isolation. Plenty of men are complaining about having no one to talk to, no community, etc. It hurts those men when you immediately jump to "find a romantic partner" when finding friends is arguably easier and would help them immensely. But yes, I agree that if someone is complaining about a desire for love then making friends probably won't help.	/r/PurplePillDebate	26/04/24 04:37 PM
1	Single doesn’t mean being lonely - you’re focused on the wrong issue What is the "hole in your heart"? Sounds like you aren't describing loneliness, but the desire for love and romance. Thats okay, but the post is about lonely men and what to do about loneliness. Making friends is a great solution for loneliness. But obviously if the issue is lack of romance making friends won't help much with that. Edit: Im gonna add that the reason this is brought up is that lots of people don't even consider making friends as a solution. They jump to filling the "hole in their…	/r/PurplePillDebate	26/04/24 04:32 PM
1	Single doesn’t mean being lonely - you’re focused on the wrong issue People on here have shitty reading comprehension. Its not "only find purpose outside of relationships and become a sexless monk" The point is to not only rely on relationships for purpose and have other things in your life you care about as well. Like friendships, hobbies, etc. But yeah, ideally you have it all. Friends, family romance, hobbies, a good job, etc.	/r/PurplePillDebate	26/04/24 04:27 PM
1	Single doesn’t mean being lonely - you’re focused on the wrong issue No one said anything about friends being "enough". I think everyone understands ideally you want friends AND a romantic partner. The point is that people who are totally alone and complaining about being lonely would be better served making friends vs only trying to find a romantic partner. But ideally you end up with both.	/r/PurplePillDebate	26/04/24 04:23 PM
3	Single doesn’t mean being lonely - you’re focused on the wrong issue For some people it definitely will. If you are an early-mid 20s guy who never leaves home and plays video games all day getting some friends who you can do shit with will definitely help. There is still the desire for a relationship, but its much better than being totally alone. Of course its not gonna work for everyone, but neither does relationships. People get in shitty relationships where they are dying inside. However, if you are lonely its silly to assume making friends won't help.	/r/PurplePillDebate	26/04/24 04:22 PM
2	Single doesn’t mean being lonely - you’re focused on the wrong issue So its a tricky problem because people generally need friends and a romantic partner to feel fulfilled. So really there are two types of loneliness, total solitude (no/few friends and no partner) and lovesickness (no romantic partner). When people use the phrase "male loneliness epidemic" its kind of using those two types interchangeably. Most people are referring to total solitude but there are some who are referring to lovesickness. A lot of common complaints I see are about literally being al…	/r/PurplePillDebate	26/04/24 04:18 PM
1	Single doesn’t mean being lonely - you’re focused on the wrong issue why not? Does having friends not make someone less lonely?	/r/PurplePillDebate	26/04/24 04:04 PM
0	Single doesn’t mean being lonely - you’re focused on the wrong issue You can also be in a relationship and be lonely. If you have no friends or romantic partner its kinda silly to say "well only a romantic partner can solve my loneliness". Making friends probably could to but lots of people don't want to admit that. The reasons: Making friends is more dependent on personality (compared to finding a relationship) and people don't want to admit their personalities need work They are actually just pursuing women because they want sex so need to hide it by saying "oo…	/r/PurplePillDebate	26/04/24 04:03 PM
1	Single doesn’t mean being lonely - you’re focused on the wrong issue How much the red flag was him being insecure about his social situation (being upset and faking emergencies, etc) vs not having many friends? Faking emergencies is obviously unhinged but is just not having a big social circle also an ick nowadays?	/r/PurplePillDebate	26/04/24 03:54 PM
–	Has a Redpill concept ever protected or broken your heart in dating? Its totally stupid to look at population-wide statistics (45% divorce rate overall) to make life decisions. More than 50% of men become obese, does that mean I have a 50% chance to become obese? No, it depends on my personal lifestyle and choices. Same with divorce, compare yourself to others who follow the same lifestyle, not the general population. For my demographic, (white, wealthy family, college + masters educated, first marriage, household income over 200k) the divorce rate is very low.	/r/PurplePillDebate	26/04/24 03:51 PM
1	Love bombing vs feigning low interest if you are meeting girls off apps you can assume they are texting multiple guys at the same time. Thats why its good to be able to send personal and interesting texts. Sometimes people overload the intimacy because they feel they need to compensate for being "boring". Then they just seem like a clingy loser. Talk about your life, what interests you, and try to make it engaging or at least funny. Its very hard to master though and takes time. Its all trial and error in how to text as well as find…	/r/PurplePillDebate	18/04/24 03:32 AM
3	Love bombing vs feigning low interest So far what you have described is not "lovey dovey". It seems like she is really interested in you but be careful not to get ahead of yourself. Theres nothing wrong with seeming enthusiastic, you want to nurture and reinforce positivity. Think of the message it would send if you suddenly went distant the second she showed interest. The issue is guys will use relentless positivity as the solution to every relationship problem when there are times its better to pull away. But you should generally …	/r/PurplePillDebate	18/04/24 02:39 AM
2	Love bombing vs feigning low interest I don't think anyone should lovebomb within the first few weeks of meeting someone. Just being genuinely interested in them while also projecting clear boundaries and making it obvious you have a life is good enough. Guys fuck up at this super early stage by texting nonstop or being extremely intimate. This makes it seem like you have no life and comes across as very clingy. Past that, it depends on how you want to sell yourself. Think about what works for your personality type, livestyle, type …	/r/PurplePillDebate	18/04/24 02:25 AM
–	Men are still expected to be the breadwinners in an age where young women out-earn young men [Resubmitted for wrong flare] thats a mean thing to say 😢	/r/PurplePillDebate	16/04/24 04:20 PM
–	Men are still expected to be the breadwinners in an age where young women out-earn young men [Resubmitted for wrong flare] My point is very often people don't get what they "demand". Accidents happen or they settle out of necessity.	/r/PurplePillDebate	16/04/24 03:44 PM
–	Men are still expected to be the breadwinners in an age where young women out-earn young men [Resubmitted for wrong flare] why then, do poor men (and women) have the most kids?	/r/PurplePillDebate	16/04/24 03:20 PM
–	Men are still expected to be the breadwinners in an age where young women out-earn young men [Resubmitted for wrong flare] This is extremely important, I don't think it neatly breaks down to 80/20 but it definitely hurts the ability of men to date when they are surrounded by women who earn more (and thus don't see them as a prospect for dating). However, a point of nuance is that people tend to live around those who are a similar socioeconomic status. Wealthy men tend to live around women from wealthier families and vice versa. This can create problems in areas like silicon valley, where the average salary is so hig…	/r/PurplePillDebate	16/04/24 03:00 PM
2	It can be liberating to realize that there are both men and women who are losers in this game. This is a good read. The internet conditions us to see most of the population as "losers" so to US of course the women are settling. However, we know nothing about their relationship. Its just layers of assumptions built from media conditioning.	/r/PurplePillDebate	14/04/24 11:11 PM
1	It can be liberating to realize that there are both men and women who are losers in this game. This post seems to imply an extremely toxic and blackpilled logic that any "below average" person, whether male or female, can never find anyone who considers them attractive. Its just untrue. But keep in mind by "attractive" I don't mean "first choice" or "the most attractive".	/r/PurplePillDebate	14/04/24 11:08 PM
3	It can be liberating to realize that there are both men and women who are losers in this game. Be extremely careful when interpreting stories about "people who are married but only have sex once a month or less". Keep in mind these people have been in a relationship for 10+ years in many cases. The first 5-8 years could have been filled with constant sex for all you know. What we do know from studying relationships is that sexual activity between partners peaks within the first few years on average. However, over time novelty wears off and sexual desire wanes from one or both partners. Th…	/r/PurplePillDebate	14/04/24 11:06 PM
2	Are many guys here not interested in casual sex? Sex is fun. However, relationships are more emotionally fulfilling and the sex is actually better. The feeling of falling in love with someone is also 1000x better than sex. There can be a lot of drama in relationships though, and I understand if someone doesn't want to pursue one. In many ways its a lot easier to have purely sexual relationships where you don't have to focus on creating and maintaining an emotional connection.	/r/PurplePillDebate	14/04/24 10:38 PM
1	If “your league is what you can get” then women are shooting too high for guys they can only get for casual sex I was responding to someone who said hot guys are screwing 100 women a year and fucking up the dating market. Thats obviously not true and cheating isn't an explanation either. Basically no one is fucking 100 people a year.	/r/PurplePillDebate	12/04/24 05:42 PM
1	If “your league is what you can get” then women are shooting too high for guys they can only get for casual sex Cheating 100 times in a year is kinda crazy, no? Like so crazy it never happens.	/r/PurplePillDebate	12/04/24 01:52 PM
9	If “your league is what you can get” then women are shooting too high for guys they can only get for casual sex There is no evidence for the claim OP is making. There isn't even evidence tons of women are sleeping with "chads" in the first place. Then you would have to prove those women have higher standards because of it. I'd argue the feeling from men that women have higher standards has nothing to do with "chad" and everything to do with changing social and economic dynamics.	/r/PurplePillDebate	12/04/24 04:36 AM
4	If “your league is what you can get” then women are shooting too high for guys they can only get for casual sex Or maybe he is in a relationship with a hot woman. I don't know why you guys assume every successful dude is fucking as many women as he physically can. Also basically no one has 100 sexual partners a year. Its not even 1/100, its statistically insignificant, literally an extreme outlier.	/r/PurplePillDebate	12/04/24 04:28 AM
3	If “your league is what you can get” then women are shooting too high for guys they can only get for casual sex Its not reality, there is no evidence for this. People generally settle down with people around their level of looks, education, and economic status. There is no evidence that a large proportion of women have extensive sexual histories with attractive men prior to this, its a fantasy caused by insecurity and watching too much youtube.	/r/PurplePillDebate	12/04/24 04:18 AM
–	Debate: the problem with the dating market is women’s standards are too high I agree. Feelings aren't always logical.	/r/PurplePillDebate	11/04/24 04:14 PM
–	Debate: the problem with the dating market is women’s standards are too high When women frequently go on dates with men they feel are "mediocre" or inferior it affects their self-esteem. They feel "why am I not attracting better men" stuff like that. Going on dates with men they don't like is a constant reminder they can't do better.	/r/PurplePillDebate	11/04/24 01:19 PM
–	Debate: the problem with the dating market is women’s standards are too high Do you think being trans is just an issue of personal preference?	/r/PurplePillDebate	11/04/24 01:16 PM
–	Debate: the problem with the dating market is women’s standards are too high Dating apps are 3:1 men/women at minimum which skews match rates. But lets actually look at the results of dating apps. Berkeren et al. (2022): "This was a longitudinal study of 1.3M college students following the Tinder rollout. Greek fraternity members (perhaps where you might find the “Chads”) saw a 6% increase in total sexual partners. Further, STDs (a good measure of sexual activity in a population that does not rely on self reports) only increased by 0.2%. The top 25% of men saw an increas…	/r/PurplePillDebate	11/04/24 01:09 PM
–	Debate: the problem with the dating market is women’s standards are too high Social media attention doesn't select for "truth" it selects for excitability. Things that get popular are things that trigger strong feelings in people (generally negative feelings too). Oftentimes the truth doesn't do that. The people posting those videos are selecting the most excitable answers to post. They often tell the people being interviewed what to say as well. It is not an honest forum or empirical discussion.	/r/PurplePillDebate	11/04/24 12:44 PM
1	Fear mongering women over “dying alone” you are wrong. Most people (even in their early 20s) are consistently looking for long-term relationships. Its not true that young women "spend their 20s partying and being ran through" and its not true that young men "spend their 20s being a fuckboy and avoiding commitment".	/r/PurplePillDebate	10/04/24 12:47 PM
0	How does a naturally nice person go about being less nice without being an outright dickhead? Most "nice guy" behaviors actually come from fear, not kindness. They lack a spine and say whatever to please the woman because they are deathly afraid of rejection and afraid to assert themselves. This fear of rejection usually comes from the fact they are losers which also heavily affects their dating success. If you gain confidence in yourself and stop pedestalizing the women you interact with you will see that your natural personality will start shining through. Things like planning dates or…	/r/PurplePillDebate	09/04/24 01:30 PM
2	How does a naturally nice person go about being less nice without being an outright dickhead? Yes for basic looksmaxxing (getting to less than 20% bf, good haircut/style, clean skin) However, having some basic flirting skill, knowing what questions to ask on a date, and knowing the basic icks (what girls hate) also goes a long way. Having a social circle is also a huge benefit because it provides tons of warm approaches with women and your female friends can literally set you up. So I'd say looks are more like 40-80% of the problem depending on where the guy started.	/r/PurplePillDebate	09/04/24 01:21 PM
–	"More women should make the first move" yeah, and it would still be like Tinder Both men and women are free to avoid relationships if they feel its not worth it. The issue right now is it seems like more women are taking that option than men, indicating that currently relationships have more value to men than women. 50% of single men are looking for a relationship compared to 35% of women. https://www.pewresearch.org/short-reads/2023/02/08/for-valentines-day-5-facts-about-single-americans/ In terms of why people are single 56% of women say its because they can't find someon…	/r/PurplePillDebate	08/04/24 08:45 PM
–	"More women should make the first move" yeah, and it would still be like Tinder Mens approaches towards women aren't distributed on a bell curve. It would look more like an exponential function where as the woman gets more attractive the number of times she gets approached dramatically increases.	/r/PurplePillDebate	08/04/24 08:34 PM
8	Has a Redpill concept ever protected or broken your heart in dating? I think a lot of the surface-level advice in the redpill is very useful (especially the gym/style combo). I was doing that stuff already but here is some PUA/redpill coach advice that helped me with dating: Never chase anyone or try to force feelings. This was a big problem for me initially, it was such a relief when I realized the right move was to instantly move on when I felt my effort wasn't reciprocated. Dating is about effectively selling yourself, not about being as honest as possible. Un…	/r/PurplePillDebate	31/03/24 03:25 PM
5	Don't lots of rejections hurt your self esteem? Rejections hurt my self esteem before I had any experience. Being a kissless virgin and being rejected is much more painful because you think there might be no one out there who will give you a chance. Now that I have experience I see it more like filtering down to someone who I match with. Obviously I don't expect every woman to want to date me, but at least now I know there are some people willing to give me a shot.	/r/PurplePillDebate	31/03/24 03:18 PM
1	Men Shouldn't commit anything significant to women or minimize commitment to women I know	/r/PurplePillDebate	28/03/24 01:51 AM
1	Men Shouldn't commit anything significant to women or minimize commitment to women If you check my comment history you will see I am aware of the 10% figure. I also never said anything about alimony being unjustified, just that it was a way the state forces people to labor even after the relationship is over.	/r/PurplePillDebate	28/03/24 01:51 AM
1	Men Shouldn't commit anything significant to women or minimize commitment to women in my experience people complain more about losing assets (house, car, etc) and paying alimony than child support. However, alimony is only awarded in 10 percent of divorces so its not a super common thing.	/r/PurplePillDebate	27/03/24 07:51 PM
1	Men Shouldn't commit anything significant to women or minimize commitment to women why shouldn't most men have children?	/r/PurplePillDebate	27/03/24 07:49 PM
0	Men Shouldn't commit anything significant to women or minimize commitment to women His point is that the government does force men to labor for women after the relationship is over in the form of alimony. His point is that withdrawing yourself from a relationship should end all commitments to that relationship, including financial ones.	/r/PurplePillDebate	27/03/24 07:47 PM
4	As a man your focus should be to how to find the specific type of women whom is attracted to you, and not improve yourself to appeal to the broad majority of women - Thoughts? As someone develops their career, finds their personal sense of style, and works out to get a good physique for their body type they naturally will fall into some sort of niche. A burly, bearded construction contractor who wears flannels and workboots would attract different women than a lean PA who wears sweaters and converse outside of work. The main point is that its useless to pretend that your lifestyle and image appeals to everyone, your choices will naturally end up making you more attrac…	/r/PurplePillDebate	16/03/24 12:24 AM
3	Women’s dating preferences are creating a system of vast inequality in dating And yet you can't find a single study or survey that says 90% of men are single. I mean "60% of young men are invisible to women" still sounds pretty bad, why not go with that?	/r/PurplePillDebate	13/03/24 03:49 AM
1	Women’s dating preferences are creating a system of vast inequality in dating Way more than 10% of men are in relationships and have consistent sexual activity. Cue the people saying "well women settle" and acting like that doesn't totally destroy the whole point of this post.	/r/PurplePillDebate	13/03/24 03:44 AM
0	She has to like you more I don't disagree with anything you said. Except that even when both people work and make equal money the woman still does more housework and child-rearing. Women basically know to expect this in a relationship. https://www.cbsnews.com/news/women-breadwinners-tripled-since-1970s-still-doing-more-unpaid-work/#:~:text=Meanwhile%2C%20the%20women%20in%20those,than%20their%20husbands%2C%20Pew%20found. Most aspects of a relationship fall on both parties but in terms of things that mostly fall on one pe…	/r/PurplePillDebate	12/03/24 01:35 PM
1	She has to like you more Maintaining her appearance Being supportive and loving Doing chores/housework (if they live together) Being pregnant and then doing the majority of the child-rearing Men usually put in more effort at the beginning of the relationship, women put in more effort at the later stages due to raising the kids and doing most of the chores. Even when women/men make equal money in the relationship the woman still does most of the child-rearing and chores.	/r/PurplePillDebate	12/03/24 01:17 PM
9	She has to like you more Yes you should be aloof when you start dating but thats not a good strategy long term. Eventually you will be expected to make a genuine effort to form a deep emotional connection and reinforce that connection with dates, intimacy, etc. Failing to do that kills relationships.	/r/PurplePillDebate	12/03/24 02:46 AM
1	She has to like you more I agree but if the guy isn't putting in effort as well that initial attraction will eventually fade and turn into resentment. I know tons of "chads" who got dumped because they weren't putting in effort. The "chads" found a new girlfriend right after but my point stands that its not a good long-term strategy. To keep a relationship going long-term the guy needs to be consistently trying to reinforce an emotional connection and create intimacy. Ideally both partners should do this but its usually…	/r/PurplePillDebate	12/03/24 02:44 AM
1	She has to like you more I agree, but its a contest for the guy to constantly prove his worth and make his girlfriend feel loved and special. When guys give up thinking of new date ideas, trying new stuff in bed, and trying to emotionally connect is when the relationship is done.	/r/PurplePillDebate	12/03/24 02:41 AM
1	50/50 relationship are one sided benefiting only men In terms of the overall landscape of "relationships" they are very rare. You are talking about a guy explicitly paying for a womans time. There are plenty of relationships where the guy pays the majority of the bills, thats not a sugar relationship. A sugar daddy/baby relationship is explicit in "you pay me this amount per week so I spend time with you". Also glad I got you to admit there is attraction in these relationships even if you do call it "minimal". People faking attraction for years an…	/r/PurplePillDebate	10/03/24 11:52 PM
4	50/50 relationship are one sided benefiting only men Im saying if a woman is that picky she should try to make herself attractive enough for whatever man actually is her type.	/r/PurplePillDebate	10/03/24 07:42 PM
3	50/50 relationship are one sided benefiting only men Sugar babies are extremely rare cases as they require a fairly wealthy guy to maintain. Dead bedrooms usually occur years and years into a relationship. Are you saying there was NEVER any attraction in that 5+ year relationship? Or is it more likely that the attraction just decreased over time (the right answer). Also beta bux came from redpill forums which represent an extremely biased perspective.	/r/PurplePillDebate	10/03/24 07:38 PM
4	50/50 relationship are one sided benefiting only men Then do what men are constantly told to do, change yourself to be more attractive to the people you want to date.	/r/PurplePillDebate	10/03/24 07:34 PM
7	50/50 relationship are one sided benefiting only men Posts like these are premised on unfalsifiable statements. Even if I show data where way more than 20% of men have consistent sexual activity and relationships you can always say "well those women weren't actually attracted to them". Even if I point out how the okcupid study is a poor indicator of behavior because attraction often develops beyond initial impressions you can always say "well women who say their attraction grew over time are just lying to make men feel better".	/r/PurplePillDebate	10/03/24 07:33 PM
2	A thought experiment for men I'd date/marry someone I didn't find attractive if I knew they would be loyal and treat me well. Finding someone for a super LTR is basically impossible, being able to guarantee committment matters a LOT.	/r/PurplePillDebate	06/03/24 10:00 PM
3	Is it over for inexperienced men who didn't go to college? Anything past 20 is "late" but what really matters is your stage of life. In college age (18-22) you are in a massive coed social space with people around your age. There is a general vibe of experimentation and fun. I remember talking to a girl who wasn't in college (I was a college sophomore at the time) and telling her I was a virgin. She laughed and said college is supposed to be the place everyone has sex. Leaving college without even knowing what boobs feel like is a pretty big red flag ov…	/r/PurplePillDebate	06/03/24 03:49 PM
3	Is it over for inexperienced men who didn't go to college? Even inexperienced women generally want guys with more experience than them. Being older and inexperienced can be a total death sentence to your dating prospects if you are honest.	/r/PurplePillDebate	06/03/24 03:44 PM
6	Is it over for inexperienced men who didn't go to college? Past a certain age (20 or so) most women won't date virgins or inexperienced men. All it takes is one successful lie and then you are good, you never have to lie about it again. I'd advise all inexperienced older men to lie about their sexual history. Dating is just too brutal to give yourself that massive handicap while you are already behind. If there wasn't such a massive double standard (virgin woman = good, virgin guy = gross/dangerous) there would be no reason to lie.	/r/PurplePillDebate	06/03/24 03:42 PM
2	Women have so many options that it's hard to sympathize with those who say they can't find a man. You said you are gonna cheat on your husband and divorce him because he is ugly. Yes I will judge you for that.	/r/PurplePillDebate	06/03/24 03:25 PM
2	Men are being wrongly accused of “blaming women” instead of simply “improving,”when the reality is they are rightly sick of having to work for less than they are worth Being thin is good for women and bad for men, the two things aren't equal. The male beauty standard is partially about being large and muscular. The female beauty standard is about being small and fit (but thick in the right places).	/r/PurplePillDebate	04/03/24 06:48 PM
–	So you are an average guy in the west.... Now what? Out of curiosity, if you have given up on dating why do you use this subreddit? Is it just for fun? Or is part of you hoping you can find helpful advice?	/r/PurplePillDebate	03/03/24 03:35 AM
0	A video of a group of girls dancing during Mardi Gras went viral on social media and provoked a strong reaction from some in manosphere. What are your thoughts on the controversy? I was obviously referring to a specific kind of comment, the kind made by and under the video. We are talking about a specific online communities specific reaction to a specific video. And yes, the people in those communities tend not to actually interact with the type of girls in the video. You really think people posting about trad values are going to be out dancing in the street and hanging at frats?	/r/PurplePillDebate	02/03/24 02:58 AM
3	A video of a group of girls dancing during Mardi Gras went viral on social media and provoked a strong reaction from some in manosphere. What are your thoughts on the controversy? The men complaining about "the downfall of the west due to promiscuity" on the internet are not usually in the same social circles as these attractive young women who like to dance in public.	/r/PurplePillDebate	01/03/24 10:42 PM
6	A video of a group of girls dancing during Mardi Gras went viral on social media and provoked a strong reaction from some in manosphere. What are your thoughts on the controversy? Lol the caption on the video is literally "why don't men want western women?" implying these women are going to be single or unwanted by men for this behavior.	/r/PurplePillDebate	01/03/24 09:48 PM
9	A video of a group of girls dancing during Mardi Gras went viral on social media and provoked a strong reaction from some in manosphere. What are your thoughts on the controversy? The manosphere does have an effect, just not on the relationship status of hot, white college girls. All these girls can get married if they want, probably to an attractive guy too. These women are not marginalized or degraded in any social market in the real world (except maybe extremely religious communities). I agree men penalize sexual promiscuity but the vast majority of young men wouldn't consider whats happening in that video as "sexual promiscuity". In the real world where everyone has a…	/r/PurplePillDebate	01/03/24 09:39 PM
16	A video of a group of girls dancing during Mardi Gras went viral on social media and provoked a strong reaction from some in manosphere. What are your thoughts on the controversy? The type of extreme puritanism we are talking about doesn't really exist in the college scene, especially the frat/sorority scene. Generally most college guys want casual sex and parties, etc. Also in my experience I've seen the extreme conservative college guys give up their beliefs the second they get a chance at hot pussy. So hot college girls don't really have to worry about redpill puritanism hurting their dating prospects. They wouldn't be hanging around truly "trad" people in the first pl…	/r/PurplePillDebate	01/03/24 09:16 PM
35	A video of a group of girls dancing during Mardi Gras went viral on social media and provoked a strong reaction from some in manosphere. What are your thoughts on the controversy? You can have whatever personal standards you want but acting like these young, conventionally attractive white girls are going to be single because of this is just delusional. The reaction just echoes a funny trend of internet men acting like their opinions on the behavior of young attractive women matter. Guys will post "stuff like this is why I'm staying single" as if anyone gives a shit. Its a fundamentally one-sided exchange. You have the attractive girls having fun in the real world and dud…	/r/PurplePillDebate	01/03/24 08:10 PM
4	Too many people overthink dating So we can't trust self-report data except the self report data you get that 60% of men being single number from. So is everyone lying or only when it goes against your worldview? Also according to GSS data from 2022 around 85% of men had at least one sexual partner and 25% had 3 or more partners. Most men reported their sex being within a romantic relationship which explains many men having only one partner. https://datepsychology.com/how-many-sexual-partners-did-men-and-women-have-in-2022/ Is t…	/r/PurplePillDebate	01/03/24 06:08 AM
-2	Too many people overthink dating The vast majority of men (~80%) get laid every year, about 50% of men have sex weekly or more. https://jamanetwork.com/journals/jamanetworkopen/fullarticle/2767066	/r/PurplePillDebate	01/03/24 03:29 AM
1	Have you ever been abused, sexually assaulted or harassed by a woman? No	/r/PurplePillDebate	01/03/24 02:07 AM
11	There is a logical pattern in the manosphere that cannot be denied but also doesn't guarantee success Its not just "be friends first" its "having friends allows you to gain access to social events and mutual friends to meet lots of new people". You don't have to date your good friends, get your good friends to introduce you to women and date them. Then you can make your intentions clear from the beginning.	/r/PurplePillDebate	01/03/24 02:01 AM
19	There is a logical pattern in the manosphere that cannot be denied but also doesn't guarantee success Finding relationships through social circles and mutual friends is not the same as becoming good friends with someone then asking for a relationship. Both can work but the latter option is what leads to those tik tok videos of women being upset. You cannot deny that being consistently introduced to new women through your social circle is very helpful for dating success. You don't have to be friends with all of them for a year before asking them out. The value of the social circle and having frie…	/r/PurplePillDebate	01/03/24 01:59 AM
3	If personality is so important, why wont women fall for their male friends more? The business insider article includes multiple surveys, one of all gen z and one of gen z college students. I agree the college student one is biased but both are useful in understanding how people behave. Around half of young people go to college so its not like college women are a rare population, its useful to understand how they date. You can easily prove those studies are "hand picked" if you provide contradictory research. But from my perspective it seems most surveys show similar findings…	/r/PurplePillDebate	26/02/24 01:48 AM
30	If personality is so important, why wont women fall for their male friends more? This actually happens pretty often, especially with young people. "Today's young adults, especially young women, are increasingly finding romance in their friend groups. In our survey, 43% of people between the ages of 18 and 29 said they were in a relationship with someone who was first a friend, including an astonishing 50% of women in that cohort. This is double the 21% of people over 65 who reported having been friends with their partner or spouse before they started dating." "A 2021 survey …	/r/PurplePillDebate	25/02/24 06:04 PM
1	Is there really an epidemic of women divorcing nice guys for no reason ? "There's no "one way" a man has to exist to have a woman. He can choose how to live himself and some woman will like him eventually if he's open enough." Isn't this basically the blue pill?	/r/PurplePillDebate	23/02/24 05:19 PM
1	Is settling a widespread common occurence? Then what?	/r/PurplePillDebate	22/02/24 11:35 PM
2	Is settling a widespread common occurence? how does one figure out what they "deserve" in terms of dating?	/r/PurplePillDebate	22/02/24 01:29 PM
2	If a guy truly wants a healthy, romantic relationship, he wouldn’t be jealous of assholes that pumps and dumps and/or stay in toxic relationships. None of the 3 things you mentioned contradict my point. I was referring to the dichotomy you set up of women settling down with guys who they would never consider in college. The fact that average dudes have sex in college shows they are "considered" by the average woman (at least for sex). You think attractiveness works the same way for men and women. Women have lower initial attraction towards men (generally) but their attraction can build over time. That is why the women on OkCupid were actua…	/r/PurplePillDebate	21/02/24 01:06 PM
0	If a guy truly wants a healthy, romantic relationship, he wouldn’t be jealous of assholes that pumps and dumps and/or stay in toxic relationships. For point 3: The average male college student has sexual relationships during their time in college. So the only way point 3 could be common is if: Women are mostly settling down with the minority of college guys who didn't have any success (unlikely as past relationship success predicts future success) You are only talking about attractive women (who only hooked up with hot guys then lowered her standards). And I know you are going to say "well the average looking women also only hook up with h…	/r/PurplePillDebate	20/02/24 06:45 PM
–	Why don't more struggling men join conservative religions? If these guys were motivated enough to consistently attend church, stop using all drugs and porn, read the bible, attend church events, and become a "provider" they wouldn't be chronically single in the first place.	/r/PurplePillDebate	20/02/24 05:00 PM
5	If "Being An Asshole" Was All It Took To Get Women, Why Are So Many Assholes Single? The "hot crazy matrix" exists for this reason.	/r/PurplePillDebate	20/02/24 04:27 PM
2	If "Being An Asshole" Was All It Took To Get Women, Why Are So Many Assholes Single? The issue with the "asshole" conversation is that just because someone is an asshole to people around them doesn't mean they treat their romantic partners the same way. People use the example of the bully jock who picks on the nerd as a successful asshole while forgetting the jock actually acts nice and loving with his girlfriend. So the real question is, does being an asshole TO WOMEN make them more attracted to you?	/r/PurplePillDebate	20/02/24 04:23 PM
1	The Blue Pill didn't lie to you nope never said "avg man should accept only weird looking women" But I do believe "an avg guy putting in an avg amount of work to himself can find another avg woman". Understand though that the average woman is overweight or obese with multiple past partners. "Average" women are often seen as unattractive.	/r/PurplePillDebate	20/02/24 04:16 PM
1	The Blue Pill didn't lie to you Reread the post, I am talking about conventionally attractive women (its point 2). The blue pill says nothing about the idea of "looksmatching", lots of blue pillers think the idea is silly.	/r/PurplePillDebate	18/02/24 10:40 PM
1	The Blue Pill didn't lie to you The numbers you linked do not show that one night stands are very common. Once in your life is not a good metric for "very common".	/r/PurplePillDebate	18/02/24 07:22 PM
1	She isn’t “withholding” sex from you. She simply doesn’t feel like having sex. Many men who complain about that do so because they feel entitled to the exact same treatment as all her previous partners. (I am using entitled in a purely descriptive sense here, its not necessarily good or bad). If she had sex with chet 2 times a day and only has sex with them once a day thats a big issue. It doesn't matter about her hormone composition, horniness, life stressors, or any other reasoning behind it. No matter what, they deserve a certain standard of sexual activity.	/r/PurplePillDebate	18/02/24 04:56 PM
1	The Blue Pill didn't lie to you I disagree that settling down with a woman is exclusively for her benefit. Especially considering those are the men who usually have kids.	/r/PurplePillDebate	18/02/24 04:50 PM
–	"Nice guy entitlement" is in large part fuelled by women's general complaining about dating men, such as "the bar is on the floor". I am convinced "the bar is on the floor" most of the time is just venting and actually doesn't say anything about the womans real standards. I have literally personally seen women say "the bar is on the floor", and when I talk to them about their dating life they reveal they have rejected tons of men for random, tiny issues. There is also the "don't be weird" issue. Most women I talk to say that is their main standard for dating (other than the unspoken looks/height one), but it is totally feeli…	/r/PurplePillDebate	18/02/24 04:13 PM
2	Guys, what's your relationship w/ your father/father figure like? Or lack thereof if that's your situation. Really good. I respect him a lot and ask him for advice on stuff. We bond over shared interests and have good conversations when we do see each other. We talk a lot about our future plans (him with his job and me with school stuff), world events, and financial things. Our family has a lot of investments so we chat about that occasionally. As far as dating goes he gave me some pretty bad dating advice when I was a kid (if a girl says no keep asking until she says yes). However, I'd say him being …	/r/PurplePillDebate	18/02/24 06:49 AM
1	The Blue Pill didn't lie to you First off relationships never start abusive. A woman never stays with someone whos been hitting her since the first date. Usually the partners are convinced their abuser will change back into their old, charming self. But a broke, jail guy can get relationships if he has other things to make himself attractive. Its not that only being kind and stable gets you a relationship, but that if you don't have one being kind and stable is a good strategy to get one eventually.	/r/PurplePillDebate	18/02/24 06:37 AM
2	The Blue Pill didn't lie to you And yet there are tons of people on the internet convinced "average men" can't even lose their virginity before 30.	/r/PurplePillDebate	18/02/24 06:34 AM
1	The Blue Pill didn't lie to you The marriage data came from the US census. The virginity data comes from the GSS.	/r/PurplePillDebate	18/02/24 03:45 AM
3	The Blue Pill didn't lie to you Its 3 percent of people in the US which is still millions but not that extreme. Most guys also have relationships/sex in their youth (depending on how you define youth).	/r/PurplePillDebate	18/02/24 03:43 AM
2	The Blue Pill didn't lie to you I call bullshit Any sort of art (visual or music) is attractive to both men and women. Physical prowess (in sports or strength) makes you more attractive to women. Being able to beat people up makes you attractive. Its not just about doing the hobby with her, its about the hobby enhancing you.	/r/PurplePillDebate	18/02/24 03:40 AM
2	The Blue Pill didn't lie to you Where did you get that 25% number from?	/r/PurplePillDebate	18/02/24 03:33 AM
2	The Blue Pill didn't lie to you What is "old"? Only 8% of men older than 22 are virgins and only 2% of men older than 25 are virgins. https://datepsychology.com/are-27-of-young-men-really-virgins-and-why/	/r/PurplePillDebate	18/02/24 03:17 AM
2	The Blue Pill didn't lie to you I chose those ages because if someone hasn't had a relationship by then they likely never will. I wanted to look at the chance someone had a relationship over their lifetime. The basic blue pill advice is kindness + basic self care + stable job. So it encompasses a few of the thinks you think attract women. "Eventually I succeeded in getting 2 dates with an obese woman 20 years older than me, i learned a lot from it which gave me the game to date more women, learning more from that, and that sno…	/r/PurplePillDebate	18/02/24 01:37 AM
1	The Blue Pill didn't lie to you Hobbies. Having interesting hobbies helps a ton. Helps you be around women Helps you make friends and expand your social circle Gives you stuff to talk about Helps you develop useful skills (cooking, fixing stuff, etc) Can help you appear more masculine (usually for stuff like martial arts or weightlifting) Can help you develop impressive artistic skills (songwriting, drawing something for her, etc) Being just a guy with a decent job is kinda boring. Like you said though, this is something you e…	/r/PurplePillDebate	18/02/24 01:34 AM
1	The Blue Pill didn't lie to you Read your links bro. "66% of Americans have had a one night stand at least once in their lives" That does not contradict the other statistic. People can have a one night stand one year and sex within relationships for the next 8 years.	/r/PurplePillDebate	18/02/24 01:30 AM
1	The Blue Pill didn't lie to you Men are not responsible for all problems with dating. If a man has literally never gotten a relationship or sex in his entire life it is within his control to fix that (unless he is an extreme 3% outlier). Those are not contradictory statements.	/r/PurplePillDebate	18/02/24 01:27 AM
0	The Blue Pill didn't lie to you If you are nice you will get a fat, ugly, old, ran-through, born-again virgin, with a good attitude. Happy now?	/r/PurplePillDebate	18/02/24 01:25 AM
3	The Blue Pill didn't lie to you Because tons of men are convinced you can be a totally normal dude and get absolutely nothing, not a single date, for your entire life. That is extremely rare but the internet has made people think it happens all the time.	/r/PurplePillDebate	18/02/24 01:24 AM
1	The Blue Pill didn't lie to you "hard science" yet no evidence posted. hmmmmhmmhmhmmmhmhmhmm	/r/PurplePillDebate	18/02/24 01:23 AM
2	The Blue Pill didn't lie to you Not true. Its normal to make fun of average dudes for trying to bang hot women. Your average bluepill feminist will laugh at you if you say you only want to date hot chicks.	/r/PurplePillDebate	18/02/24 01:23 AM
0	The Blue Pill didn't lie to you The modern redpill sells a very narrow version of masculinity that lots of guys can't ever reach. The overall ideas are good though.	/r/PurplePillDebate	18/02/24 01:21 AM
1	The Blue Pill didn't lie to you The vast majority of people have way more than one by then. The blue pill basically sets a bare minimum (hygiene, kindness, stability) and says if you meet that you will get a relationship at some point. Most people get one in their 20s and have more from there.	/r/PurplePillDebate	18/02/24 01:12 AM
1	The Blue Pill didn't lie to you I think average men pair with average women and below average men pair with below average women. My point was that some men find below average women attractive.	/r/PurplePillDebate	18/02/24 12:27 AM
1	The Blue Pill didn't lie to you Its really only a difference of 1 percent overall so having a degree isn't a big deal in terms of just finding a relationship. I agree that aesthetics and hobbies matter a lot too, especially if you are young.	/r/PurplePillDebate	18/02/24 12:26 AM
3	The Blue Pill didn't lie to you I agree women are privileged in dating and sex. I don't know what "concession" you are looking for though. Thats the rough thing about dating, you can't really force attraction.	/r/PurplePillDebate	18/02/24 12:18 AM
3	The Blue Pill didn't lie to you Average in what sense? Generally people pair up by income, education, age, background, religion, etc. So by what metric is there this massive inequality between men and the women they date?	/r/PurplePillDebate	17/02/24 08:57 PM
1	The Blue Pill didn't lie to you Agree with your post except for one thing. The 10/10 guy has to put in more work. He has to put in the work to become 10/10 (which is a lot) and if he is dating high quality women he has to put in effort into the relationship too. Its not easy being a "high value man".	/r/PurplePillDebate	17/02/24 08:55 PM
5	The Blue Pill didn't lie to you I don't think most men scrutinize the women they date to see if she is their "looksmatch". I personally don't even know how I would figure that out. Like for example, a thin guy is not equivalent to a thin woman, a thin woman is more attractive generally. A super muscular guy is not equivalent to a super muscular woman, the guy is more attractive generally. So it becomes more "who fits the current trends of what most people think is hot" which I personally don't care about. For most men its more…	/r/PurplePillDebate	17/02/24 08:52 PM
-5	The Blue Pill didn't lie to you No I realize that. However, most people have been in a relationship before 40. The bluepill advice makes no claims about how long it takes to find a relationship though. Some people don't start until much later or just take a while. Keep in mind these are extreme outliers though.	/r/PurplePillDebate	17/02/24 08:48 PM
5	The Blue Pill didn't lie to you Same response as to the other guy, just because the women are below-average doesn't mean they aren't attractive to the average guy. Movies sell a fantasy, yes. In the real world the below average nerd likely ends up with a below average girl.	/r/PurplePillDebate	17/02/24 08:40 PM
4	The Blue Pill didn't lie to you You think men can't be personally attracted to below-average women? My point is that they are not conventionally attractive, but they are likely still attractive to the guy in question.	/r/PurplePillDebate	17/02/24 08:37 PM
1	The Blue Pill didn't lie to you This is a good point. I don't know how those people got relationships, only that education seems to help and the vast majority of people eventually find something. It is possible there were some people who would have been single forever had they not found the redpill. I'm going off of the assumption that because we live in a "blue pill society" most people are using some form of blue pill tactics. Being nice, genuine, stable, good hygiene, etc. That is whats been pushed in the general culture, i…	/r/PurplePillDebate	17/02/24 08:34 PM
3	The Blue Pill didn't lie to you That 80% number was for women ages 18-30 so you just disagree with the research. I have a feeling your engagement with these "damage and ran through" women is biased. You are assuming a lot about their character and even then, its a small sample only from your social circle. The fact is when you look at divorce the factors are much, much larger than "body count". When you account for those other factors, the significant relationship between partner count and divorce literally goes away.	/r/PurplePillDebate	17/02/24 08:27 PM
4	The Blue Pill didn't lie to you All good points. The blue pill advice I mention isn't enough for many young men currently, I admit that. Most men want at least one of those 6 things I listed. That is why you are seeing an explosion in the popularity of the redpill and mens self improvement stuff. My point is only that it isn't a lie or unrealistic.	/r/PurplePillDebate	17/02/24 08:21 PM
-6	The Blue Pill didn't lie to you The blue pill considers that success. Thats the whole point of my post, your standards are higher than what the blue pill promises. So red pill advice makes more sense for you.	/r/PurplePillDebate	17/02/24 08:18 PM
2	The Blue Pill didn't lie to you I find that TRP tends to have an overly-negative view of "beta" relationships. especially considering that to them the majority of fathers are betas.	/r/PurplePillDebate	17/02/24 08:17 PM
4	The Blue Pill didn't lie to you You are drastically overestimating the amount of women who frequently hookup. 80% of all women reported their sex acts only occur within a relationship and the average body count for a woman is around 4-8. Women with "massive body counts" are rare. https://datepsychology.com/how-many-sexual-partners-did-men-and-women-have-in-2021/ https://www.mindbodygreen.com/articles/the-ideal-number-of-sexual-partners-for-men-women Also divorce statistics are incredibly messy. Things like age, poverty, educat…	/r/PurplePillDebate	17/02/24 08:14 PM
1	The Blue Pill didn't lie to you I agree. That is why I am making sure to only argue for the ideas I discuss in this post and not blindly defend everything associated with the blue pill.	/r/PurplePillDebate	17/02/24 08:02 PM
1	The Blue Pill didn't lie to you I mean, if 97% of the population can do something its basically the bare minimum. Those numbers include poor people, obese people, people without any education, etc. If anything, standards to find a relationship are a little lower than what the bluepill presents.	/r/PurplePillDebate	17/02/24 08:01 PM
1	The Blue Pill didn't lie to you "If you are nice, take decent care of yourself, and have a stable job you will find a relationship if you try." Unless you believe you can be in a relationship with no affection involved it follows from this.	/r/PurplePillDebate	17/02/24 07:59 PM
3	The Blue Pill didn't lie to you "You can't look at those men to figure out what young men now are going through." Based on an unproven notion that dating trends are going to drastically change. People still partner up especially as they get older. I think the number of forever single adults will increase but the idea that it will go from 2 percent to like 20 or 30 percent is crazy. "You needn't look any further than the relationship stats for millennials." Please post these, if they are convincing I will change my perspective.…	/r/PurplePillDebate	17/02/24 07:57 PM
5	The Blue Pill didn't lie to you I agree with this, mens looks matter and they should try to improve them. The funny thing is looking at the data it seems like most men do find relationships eventually without putting tons of care into their appearance. But lots of men want more than that. They want casual sex, or a hot gf, or an open relationship. For those men pure bluepill advice will not help them get what they desire.	/r/PurplePillDebate	17/02/24 07:51 PM
5	The Blue Pill didn't lie to you And the blue pill is correct on this point. As long as you do the bare minimum, there is someone out there for you. Maybe that person "settled" but they are willing to be in a relationship with you and show you affection. Its totally fine for men to want more than that. If they do, something like the redpill is probably a better fit.	/r/PurplePillDebate	17/02/24 07:40 PM
2	The Blue Pill didn't lie to you I don't believe human connection is built for super long term relationships. At a certain point you need things beyond attraction and intimacy to keep the relationship going. Its normal for the intense, butterfly feelings of love and intimacy to fade after 5 years or so. Most couples don't know what to do, some will adapt.	/r/PurplePillDebate	17/02/24 07:16 PM
4	The Blue Pill didn't lie to you The blue pill didn't lie about the ideas I discuss in the post, that is my assertion.	/r/PurplePillDebate	17/02/24 07:00 PM
4	The Blue Pill didn't lie to you The standards for "quality" differ drastically to the point where they mostly come down to personal preference. Aside from things like "non-abusive" and "stable" and "mutual affection" can people agree?	/r/PurplePillDebate	17/02/24 06:59 PM
3	The Blue Pill didn't lie to you Nope, didn't edit any of the wording in my post. I edited it for formatting and to change the links (reddit didn't let me post it initially).	/r/PurplePillDebate	17/02/24 06:56 PM
5	The Blue Pill didn't lie to you I agree with this. You might be in that unfortunate 2-3% of men who are just eternally screwed.	/r/PurplePillDebate	17/02/24 06:55 PM
13	The Blue Pill didn't lie to you Never heard the bluepill say anything about getting your "looksmatch". Lots of bluepillers even deny that objective attractiveness ratings are a thing, so to them the idea of a "looksmatch" is nonsense.	/r/PurplePillDebate	17/02/24 06:54 PM
6	The Blue Pill didn't lie to you The title is mostly to draw people in. Im obviously not gonna debate every single idea people attribute to the blue pill.	/r/PurplePillDebate	17/02/24 06:52 PM
9	The Blue Pill didn't lie to you "women love you for you" is an empty platitude and basically nonsense. Don't know why people focus on it. Many of those aspects are a given. If you are in a relationship with someone she did choose you, you are special, and there is a degree of attraction. I've never heard the one and only thing promised. "Blue Pill promised an idea that women were morally better people innately and that cheating and settling for less than was a primarily male driven thing." If they do say this I disagree with i…	/r/PurplePillDebate	17/02/24 06:43 PM
9	The Blue Pill didn't lie to you The blue pill says the standards for finding a relationship are simple and straightforward (stability, kindness, basic hygiene). If that was true you would expect most men to have a relationship at some point (which is true). You could say that many of those men probably didn't do those things and the bar is actually even lower than the blue pill suggests. Thats the opposite of the usual criticism though, which is that the blue pill makes dating seem easier than it really is. My point is people …	/r/PurplePillDebate	17/02/24 06:39 PM
3	The Blue Pill didn't lie to you Deserve? When did I use that word? If you can get everything you want without trying, good for you. (Not likely though). My point is that lots of men (especially the ones complaining online) don't want what the bluepill promises. It has nothing to do with thinking they "deserve" better, they just have different preferences. Which is fine, just don't say you were lied to.	/r/PurplePillDebate	17/02/24 06:33 PM
0	Women act like TRP is some kooky conspiracy theory rotting men’s brains but then tell bold faced lies like “maybe if you were nice to women and took a shower you would get a date.” This blatant dishonesty is the very foundation of red pill ideology. "princess treatment" doesn't mean "I'll only date a super hot guy". It means "I'll only date a guy who treats me really well."	/r/PurplePillDebate	16/02/24 10:54 PM
2	Women act like TRP is some kooky conspiracy theory rotting men’s brains but then tell bold faced lies like “maybe if you were nice to women and took a shower you would get a date.” This blatant dishonesty is the very foundation of red pill ideology. For hookups yeah. Its rare a woman has the "I must be in a relationship with a 6'2 chad or I will be single forever". If that was common more than 90% of women would be single.	/r/PurplePillDebate	16/02/24 10:52 PM
1	Women act like TRP is some kooky conspiracy theory rotting men’s brains but then tell bold faced lies like “maybe if you were nice to women and took a shower you would get a date.” This blatant dishonesty is the very foundation of red pill ideology. When people interpret this advice they miss a step. The advice is really, "get good hygiene, be a nice person, then start dating" You don't automatically get a girlfriend just by being nice and clean, but that is the basic bare minimum that will allow people to tolerate your presence. Once you do that then you develop more of an identity for yourself and actually put yourself out there in the dating world. The vast majority of people won't be interested but some might be. You continue to work on…	/r/PurplePillDebate	16/02/24 08:53 PM
2	Women want trad for thee but not for me You describe marriage as being: "forced to take all this responsibility while not getting anything in exchange" You said "betas are looked down upon (even publicly mocked)" I am directly responding to you. Also the reason deadbeat dads are not more valuable is because the women who will willingly let themselves be abandoned are less valuable. Someone knocking up a mentally ill drug addicted woman and abandoning her is not more valuable then a guy who marries and has kids with an educated, well-a…	/r/PurplePillDebate	16/02/24 12:32 AM
2	Women want trad for thee but not for me The fact you think a guy who marries a woman, is with her for at least 27 years, and has multiple children with her is "not getting anything" shows your entire perspective on intimacy is fucked up. The fact you seem to be implying being a girls first kiss is more important than having kids with her is also hilarious. And for the record, this guy would never be publicly mocked for his relationship. But try telling people that relationships are worthless if you weren't her first kiss and see what …	/r/PurplePillDebate	15/02/24 06:24 PM
2	Women want trad for thee but not for me You make it sound like he is getting some sort of unfair deal by marrying someone who isn't a virgin. What actually makes it unfair? I understand things were different in the past but general societal moral views have changed. You mention women giving men kids for "free" but I'd argue most of the time this is unintentional and happens because: The kid is an accident The woman thought the guy would commit but he didn't The woman actually doesn't want the guy to help raise the kid for whatever rea…	/r/PurplePillDebate	15/02/24 05:56 PM
7	Women want trad for thee but not for me I doubt he was a virgin at marriage either. Its normal for both partners to have a degree of sexual experience and does not mean the woman cannot somehow perform her role as a mother and wife (just like it doesn't mean the man can't be a good husband and father). This also means both him and his wife previously had sex for "free", but I dunno why that matters. Assuming his wife wasn't a single mother the other guys she was with didn't technically have access to her "fertility". She had sex with …	/r/PurplePillDebate	15/02/24 01:08 PM
–	Money and status and career are not that significant for men (including being rich) Well, I hope you find your top 20% cutie someday.	/r/PurplePillDebate	14/02/24 06:19 AM
–	Money and status and career are not that significant for men (including being rich) It doesn't matter whats causing the financial issues, what matters is that financial issues are clearly a factor in a good number of divorces. However you get there, whether by education or intelligence, having a decent income seems to matter. Unless you think people are just saying "financial reasons" to hide their true intentions behind the divorce.	/r/PurplePillDebate	14/02/24 06:17 AM
–	Money and status and career are not that significant for men (including being rich) I guess what really matters is that you don't personally find them attractive. Out of curiosity though, what percent of women would you say are attractive to you? Generally men see ~40% of women as at least somewhat attractive.	/r/PurplePillDebate	14/02/24 06:13 AM
–	Money and status and career are not that significant for men (including being rich) Around 22% of divorces are caused by financial issues. A higher income removes most fear of future financial troubles compared to something like a 40k income where you might still be struggling to support a family. So I'd say income, education, and intelligence all reduce divorce but the exact effect of each is hard to disentangle. I'd say that past a certain threshold income probably doesn't make a big difference though. https://institutedfa.com/leading-causes-divorce/	/r/PurplePillDebate	14/02/24 06:05 AM
–	Money and status and career are not that significant for men (including being rich) How is 5'10 short though? At worst its average.	/r/PurplePillDebate	14/02/24 06:02 AM
–	Money and status and career are not that significant for men (including being rich) Yea I agree with all of this. If you want to actually attract someone you need to trigger an emotional connection and you can't do that just by flashing your resume. He could maybe do it by telling a heartwarming story of saving a childs life on the operating table, but thats going beyond the job title.	/r/PurplePillDebate	14/02/24 06:00 AM
–	Money and status and career are not that significant for men (including being rich) lol both of you guys could easily find wives and get companionship and mating, you are just upset they wouldn't be hot. Get a grip for a second here.	/r/PurplePillDebate	14/02/24 05:56 AM
–	Money and status and career are not that significant for men (including being rich) dam is 5'10 short now? Or is SoCal just a hellhole for dating?	/r/PurplePillDebate	14/02/24 05:54 AM
–	Money and status and career are not that significant for men (including being rich) Are they all overweight? If not they are above average.	/r/PurplePillDebate	14/02/24 05:52 AM
–	Money and status and career are not that significant for men (including being rich) Not really though. When people date in college they are generally looking for different things than in their mid-30s. College dating is more about having fun experiences together, I don't think most people expect to marry their sophomore year gf. By mid-30s people are much more focused around settling down and family planning. Having a stable career and a good income is basically essential for dating success, which you are seeing. So congratulations, you managed to be successful in two different…	/r/PurplePillDebate	14/02/24 05:52 AM
–	Money and status and career are not that significant for men (including being rich) Looking at divorce rates reveals increasing income does have an effect. For professions with an income of $40k divorce rates cluster around 40% At an income of around $60k divorce rate is around 35%. For physicians making a median $160k there is a 20% divorce rate. So there is definitely a boost going from lower middle class to upper middle class. https://flowingdata.com/2017/07/25/divorce-and-occupation/	/r/PurplePillDebate	14/02/24 05:45 AM
–	Money and status and career are not that significant for men (including being rich) Out of curiosity what are examples of jobs that aren't "boring"? Also with all the TV shows about being a doctor seems like the general public don't think its a generally boring profession.	/r/PurplePillDebate	14/02/24 05:34 AM
1	CMV- Men who struggle to date in today’s social climate have serious physical, social, or emotional flaws. Yeah but what makes these men unattractive? Depending on the answer, yeah, its their fault. If selection is solely due to facial features and height I'd say its not mens fault. But if men are being considered unattractive because they have no social skills and their only hobby is video games then its their fault they are unattractive.	/r/PurplePillDebate	09/02/24 05:39 PM
1	Why do you think Western Birth Rates are so low? then why do poor men have the most kids?	/r/PurplePillDebate	09/02/24 05:09 PM
1	CMV- Men who struggle to date in today’s social climate have serious physical, social, or emotional flaws. "Women regularly admit that they find the vast majority of men unattractive." Evidence for this? Other than that you didn't actually answer my question. I know lots of young men are single, the question is why. Men are also drinking less, socializing less, spending more time playing video games, etc. OLD is a point in my favor, it is nearly 4:1 men/women. In an imbalance like that lots of men will get left out even if they aren't ugly, short, or poor. So there are lots of possible explanations t…	/r/PurplePillDebate	09/02/24 05:03 PM
1	CMV- Men who struggle to date in today’s social climate have serious physical, social, or emotional flaws. What are the standards that make dating brutal?	/r/PurplePillDebate	09/02/24 04:48 PM
1	CMV- Men who struggle to date in today’s social climate have serious physical, social, or emotional flaws. link plz	/r/PurplePillDebate	07/02/24 06:18 PM
1	CMV- Men who struggle to date in today’s social climate have serious physical, social, or emotional flaws. I haven't seen any data that directly disproves his point. Its not about whether men struggle, its about why they struggle.	/r/PurplePillDebate	07/02/24 05:59 PM
1	CMV- Men who struggle to date in today’s social climate have serious physical, social, or emotional flaws. Where are you getting those numbers from?	/r/PurplePillDebate	07/02/24 05:54 PM
1	CMV- Men who struggle to date in today’s social climate have serious physical, social, or emotional flaws. According to that study: "Among women and men aged 40–49 in 2015–2019, 84.3% of women had given birth and 76.5% of men had fathered a child." Where are you getting your numbers from? Seems the actual gap is a lot smaller.	/r/PurplePillDebate	07/02/24 05:53 PM
2	CMV- Men who struggle to date in today’s social climate have serious physical, social, or emotional flaws. Are you saying the OP has low standards or that low standards are making the dating game brutal?	/r/PurplePillDebate	07/02/24 01:23 AM
2	CMV- Men who struggle to date in today’s social climate have serious physical, social, or emotional flaws. Your struggle is vastly different from what the men on here complain about experiencing. You get consistent relationships and casual sex, the men on here complain about getting nothing ever. Not a single relationship in 10 years of trying. The question is what traits underlie that situation and how common is it.	/r/PurplePillDebate	07/02/24 01:21 AM
3	CMV- Men who struggle to date in today’s social climate have serious physical, social, or emotional flaws. According to this sub all women lie about that anyways.	/r/PurplePillDebate	07/02/24 12:25 AM
3	CMV- Men who struggle to date in today’s social climate have serious physical, social, or emotional flaws. What do you make of his example though? He is a normal dude with normal friends who all have relationships. Coming from my experience, I am an average looking college student, all my friends are average college students, and all of us get laid or are in relationships. So what are the standards that make the current dating game brutal?	/r/PurplePillDebate	07/02/24 12:16 AM
–	Being an attractive woman in the West is the highest level of privilege a person can ever have. yeah, so?	/r/PurplePillDebate	06/02/24 05:49 AM
–	Why do science says that married men live longer when marriages are stressful and full of hassles? Doesn't mean they want to get married. They want a submissive tradwife but without the legal constraints of marriage.	/r/PurplePillDebate	02/02/24 10:36 PM
–	Why do science says that married men live longer when marriages are stressful and full of hassles? Finding a long-term partner is extremely difficult, there is basically a 3% chance of a relationship lasting 10 years. Even if make it to 5 years there is a 60% chance you won't make it to 10. People need to learn to take care of themselves physically and emotionally, not totally rely on the presence of a romantic partner. Stats come from here: https://www.washingtonpost.com/blogs/wonkblog/files/2016/03/breakups.png	/r/PurplePillDebate	02/02/24 10:33 PM
–	Why do science says that married men live longer when marriages are stressful and full of hassles? No the modern redpill is extremely anti-marriage. RP people fight against it all the time. https://twitter.com/pearlythingz/status/1753135111703240973 https://twitter.com/unplugfitX/status/1753152902871322766 https://twitter.com/RationalMale/status/1752739214964490349/photo/1 https://twitter.com/unplugfitX/status/1751697149719367740	/r/PurplePillDebate	02/02/24 10:28 PM
0	How are average looking men in this day and age supposed to meet women? Then try and date significantly below average women. There are probably people out there who are so autistic or ugly that dating is totally impossible but thats such a small population they don't even factor into my advice. They are extremely overrepresented on reddit though, keep that in mind.	/r/PurplePillDebate	02/02/24 10:20 PM
95	How are average looking men in this day and age supposed to meet women? Do everything you can. Its not dating apps OR friends OR hobbies. Use dating apps AND your social circle AND your hobbies. You need as many chances to meet new people as possible. Also make sure your actual dating strategy is workable, if you always come across as creepy/weird its gonna be a lot harder.	/r/PurplePillDebate	01/02/24 04:25 PM
1	How big of a concern would it be for you if your children/potential children reached adult age without any romantic success? Any kid of mine is probably gonna meet the minimum attractiveness threshold to get SOME action. Basically everyone has sex eventually, around 2% of men are virgins at the age of 30. So even if we assume all the 2% is due to attractiveness thats still 98% of men being attractive enough to have sex at least once. So odds are its not looks thats causing it.	/r/PurplePillDebate	30/01/24 01:58 PM
3	The idea women are loved unconditionally There are genuinely delusional simps who think they have a chance at love. But 99% of them are either just horny dudes or guys looking for some sort of connection. The horny guys are in it for the photos and the lonely guys are in it for the private messages. Maybe its not sex but the love will persist as long as the guys are getting some sort of emotional connection (with an extremely hot girl) out of it. Either way still not unconditional. You can easily prove your argument, just give an examp…	/r/PurplePillDebate	30/01/24 08:43 AM
1	How big of a concern would it be for you if your children/potential children reached adult age without any romantic success? If having no experience sucks that bad you can always smash some obese, 40-year-old meth addict who smells like rotten cheese. Make sure you get tested after though.	/r/PurplePillDebate	30/01/24 08:22 AM
1	How big of a concern would it be for you if your children/potential children reached adult age without any romantic success? I am extremely, extremely antisocial and still have been able to have some hookups and relationships before I graduate college. So to me having 0 experience by that point usually means either really poor social skills or extreme introversion. Neither are great. Honestly though, if they were happy and had other things to focus on I wouldn't be that concerned. What would concern me is if I felt they couldn't hold a conversation or actually interact with people. Thats a pretty important life skill.…	/r/PurplePillDebate	30/01/24 08:17 AM
5	The idea women are loved unconditionally Simping is conditional on a woman's attractiveness. All the women famous for having simps are top 1% in attractiveness. Also onlyfans/streaming doesn't prove your point because those women are literally being paid for providing a service. Thats the opposite of unconditional.	/r/PurplePillDebate	30/01/24 08:00 AM
9	The idea women are loved unconditionally The second a man realizes the woman won't sleep with him all that "love" goes away. Sounds pretty conditional to me.	/r/PurplePillDebate	30/01/24 04:30 AM
3	Are relationship worth it? Yeah but most women with an ounce of self-esteem are gonna want more eventually. Its not tenable long-term. Also if you are so close with your FWB why not just enter an actual relationship?	/r/PurplePillDebate	30/01/24 12:51 AM
3	Are relationship worth it? Based on the most comprehensive studies of human behavior yes. One of the largest studies on happiness showed that close relationships, not money or fame, are the biggest predictors of lifetime happiness. https://news.harvard.edu/gazette/story/2017/04/over-nearly-80-years-harvard-study-has-been-showing-how-to-live-a-healthy-and-happy-life/ Its not just that happy people with good mental health are the ones forming relationships. It has been proven that relationships are more of a causal predicto…	/r/PurplePillDebate	30/01/24 12:45 AM
12	Most women want socially liberal men who are capable of engaging in “benevolent misogyny “. I don't really hear that very often. Women, for the most part, want men to initiate, plan and pay for dates, take the lead sexually, and be at an equal or greater level of career success. They also generally want a guy taller/stronger than them but thats pretty much a given for the vast majority of relationships. Most women I talk to will admit all of these things.	/r/PurplePillDebate	28/01/24 05:12 AM
1	Most women want socially liberal men who are capable of engaging in “benevolent misogyny “. You could say a man totally financially providing for a woman is a form of benevolent misogyny. Many women don't want that kind of lifestyle but want a man who is capable of it. So therefore they want a man capable of benevolent misogyny.	/r/PurplePillDebate	28/01/24 05:05 AM
1	Most women want socially liberal men who are capable of engaging in “benevolent misogyny “. whats the lie?	/r/PurplePillDebate	28/01/24 05:03 AM
5	Most women want socially liberal men who are capable of engaging in “benevolent misogyny “. No lies detected (except for maybe the casual sexism part). Women ideally want the freedom to pursue a career or do whatever while also feeling secure that their partner can provide for both of them (but many will happily settle for less in the current economy). Also strength, confidence, assertiveness, are all attractive traits.	/r/PurplePillDebate	28/01/24 05:02 AM
–	Most girls are genuinely repelled by truly kind men, you have to have some degree of asshole in you or they will get bored They aren't being assholes to the women and if they are the relationship definitely didn't start like that. In actually abusive relationships the abuser usually starts as affectionate and passionate. There are probably some exceptions but generally people don't like being around others who make them feel bad all the time. Even Andrew fucking Tate says he is loving and kind to the women he dates.	/r/PurplePillDebate	27/01/24 12:44 AM
–	Most girls are genuinely repelled by truly kind men, you have to have some degree of asshole in you or they will get bored I have yet to see a man actually be cruel to women and be successful. Even guys like Andrew Tate show kindness to their partners. You can be a mean and cruel person and be successful. But being mean and cruel to the woman 100% of the time is not gonna get her to date you, even if you have status.	/r/PurplePillDebate	26/01/24 02:45 PM
–	Most girls are genuinely repelled by truly kind men, you have to have some degree of asshole in you or they will get bored No, at steps 1 and 2 I was definitely less committed and put in less effort but that doesn't make me an asshole. I didn't go from asshole -> nice, I moreso went from uncommitted to more committed. With that I planned better dates, gave more compliments, spent more time with them, etc. But I was never mean.	/r/PurplePillDebate	26/01/24 02:39 PM
0	Most girls are genuinely repelled by truly kind men, you have to have some degree of asshole in you or they will get bored Not on its own. It can also display apathy, cruelty, and disrespect. That turns people off.	/r/PurplePillDebate	26/01/24 05:40 AM
5	Most girls are genuinely repelled by truly kind men, you have to have some degree of asshole in you or they will get bored Strength is attractive yes	/r/PurplePillDebate	26/01/24 04:03 AM
4	Most girls are genuinely repelled by truly kind men, you have to have some degree of asshole in you or they will get bored Doesn't sound like you are an asshole. Sounds like you are doing basic redpill dating stuff and looking for FWB situations. You got this to work for you so congrats. Your "being nice" strategy has worked for me and lots of people I know. You basically just described being a good boyfriend. However, I only do that stuff AFTER starting a relationship. I guess if you do all that stuff before it can come across as clingy.	/r/PurplePillDebate	26/01/24 04:01 AM
3	Most girls are genuinely repelled by truly kind men, you have to have some degree of asshole in you or they will get bored this is all true	/r/PurplePillDebate	26/01/24 03:18 AM
12	Most girls are genuinely repelled by truly kind men, you have to have some degree of asshole in you or they will get bored I was expecting comments like this. Can't prove it but I'm sure if we were to look at your "asshole" behavior it was probably just negging and maybe minor condescension. Thats actually very effective especially for short-term situations, it conveys that you are confident and independent. If your "nice" is being a doormat and your "asshole" is being confident and assertive then your situation makes total sense. If I'm wrong please explain what being an "asshole" entails.	/r/PurplePillDebate	26/01/24 02:57 AM
12	Most girls are genuinely repelled by truly kind men, you have to have some degree of asshole in you or they will get bored If you are attractive you are gonna get laid. The female fantasy is literally to have an attractive man totally obsessed with them. Look at two of the best selling female romance novels of all time, 50 Shades of Gray and Twilight. Both are about a sexy, high status dude becoming totally obsessed with the protagonist and proclaiming undying love for her. Those are extreme examples but they cut at the deep fantasy of lots of women. Women want a guy who they are attracted to and they want to be lov…	/r/PurplePillDebate	26/01/24 02:51 AM
11	Most girls are genuinely repelled by truly kind men, you have to have some degree of asshole in you or they will get bored Doesn't mean being nice is worthless. I'd argue for the vast majority of people you need some kindness to be successful in dating. It is a necessary but not sufficient quality for dating success. Basically, no women will date a guy just because he is nice but most women won't date an attractive guy who is never nice to them. I'd even say creating attraction in the first place is super hard without some kindness. Some redpill guy will probably respond saying he gets tons of women by acting like a…	/r/PurplePillDebate	26/01/24 02:42 AM
1	Men, describe your “Sex Zone”. I don't feel entitled to use people like disposable sex objects. Next question.	/r/PurplePillDebate	26/01/24 01:59 AM
77	Most girls are genuinely repelled by truly kind men, you have to have some degree of asshole in you or they will get bored Nice guys get rejected sometimes and assholes get laid sometimes. But just being nice or an asshole on its own doesn't get you laid. You have to create attraction, thats what gets success. If someone is attracted to you they will actually care how you feel about them, then being nice/an asshole matters.	/r/PurplePillDebate	26/01/24 01:58 AM
2	Men, describe your “Sex Zone”. no comment	/r/PurplePillDebate	25/01/24 03:41 PM
13	Men, describe your “Sex Zone”. I put someone in the "sex only" zone when it was clear she was not over her former partner of 6 years (she was 20 btw) Another person was put in the zone after she told me all her previous boyfriends were crazy and to not get too attached. She had photos of smashed doors, police reports, etc.	/r/PurplePillDebate	25/01/24 06:46 AM
0	CMV: Bluepillers don't actually care about self improvement. Yes, its very, very rare for someone to be so inherently ugly or autistic beyond all effort of their own that 99% of people think they are ugly/weird. Thats why I said "probably". Most of the time there is something that can be fixed. You don't want compassion, you want pity. Compassion is saying, "I believe in you, you can live a life where you have meaningful interactions with other people". Pity is saying, "wow thats so bad bro, better just rot in your room for the rest of your life then."	/r/PurplePillDebate	24/01/24 06:20 AM
1	CMV: Bluepillers don't actually care about self improvement. I never said they deserve it. But I don't have socialization advice for a severely autistic person. Its the same thing when it comes to exercise. I can give basic exercise advice but if someone has a severe disability they need more specific help.	/r/PurplePillDebate	23/01/24 05:07 PM
3	CMV: Bluepillers don't actually care about self improvement. I'd say that person has bigger issues than dating. If 99/100 people you meet have a strong negative opinion of you theres probably something to fix there.	/r/PurplePillDebate	23/01/24 04:41 PM
2	CMV: Bluepillers don't actually care about self improvement. Part of figuring out what works is figuring out what works for YOU. That could mean dating a specific type of person or leaning into certain elements of your personality. I thought it was relevant because you said people who give you advice are suggesting you are subhuman and unworthy of intimacy. My point is you are trying to convince the wrong people. If someone is giving you advice they want to see you succeed. You need to convince whoever you are trying to date.	/r/PurplePillDebate	23/01/24 04:14 PM
5	CMV: Bluepillers don't actually care about self improvement. It is just insanity to try the same thing over and over and expect a different result. Those teenagers, criminals, etc, are doing something that works. The hypothetical incel is not doing something that works. It isn't an insult to tell them they should change their strategy, its just realistic. Also no one is worthy of someone else's body without their consent. It doesn't matter if I think you deserve intimacy, you need to convince whoever you want to date.	/r/PurplePillDebate	23/01/24 03:44 PM
1	Would you be a beta bucks? Im guessing you would say any relationship where the man provides for his family financially is beta buxxing?	/r/PurplePillDebate	22/01/24 07:08 AM
2	Would you be a beta bucks? My standards for attractiveness are pretty low so I won't end up in the typical "beta bucks" scenario where I use my increased salary at 35 to date hotter women who normally wouldn't notice me. However, my goal is to get married and have kids someday, likely being the primary breadwinner for my household. I am totally willing to financially support my partner and our kids. I would not marry a single mom but someone having past partners is expected and normal especially past 30. After all, I have…	/r/PurplePillDebate	22/01/24 07:07 AM
1	What are your thoughts on settling? How many people do you think settle? Do you have an experience settling or being settled for? Ideally you should still "want" the person you are settling for. You personally have a very unique attraction style which I think skews your view. It is normal for people to end relationships and form authentic romantic connections with new people. You seem to have difficulty forming any new romantic connections years after forming your first one, which is abnormal.	/r/PurplePillDebate	21/01/24 07:22 PM
5	outside of some obvious exceptions, having no friends is a red flag I would agree 99% of the time but not as a definite rule. The fact is that you don't need your partner to have friends for them to be a good relationship partner. However, maintaining friendships definitely correlates to being able to maintain good romantic relationships. People who are bad at friendships probably suck at romance. So most of the time you are right but there are definitely some people out there who check all the boxes for a good relationship but might not have any sort of friends…	/r/PurplePillDebate	21/01/24 07:14 PM
3	What are your thoughts on settling? How many people do you think settle? Do you have an experience settling or being settled for? If there are no feelings to start with then yes, they probably won't develop. But budding romantic feelings can definitely turn into romantic love over the course of a relationship. This is especially true of women towards men. https://www.bustle.com/wellness/differences-between-how-men-women-fall-in-love-according-to-science Men notoriously fall in love faster and earlier in a relationship with women catching up later. I guess the moral of the story is don't date people you feel nothing for but…	/r/PurplePillDebate	21/01/24 06:57 PM
3	What are your thoughts on settling? How many people do you think settle? Do you have an experience settling or being settled for? https://journals.sagepub.com/doi/10.1177/0265407517706419 This study is an interesting look at engagement with tinder through a survey. About 80% of the respondents reported having a hookup experience through tinder which counters the idea that only 5% of men have success, etc. https://journals.sagepub.com/doi/full/10.1177/21676968231174083 This longitudinal study looked at relationship success prior to aged 30 then at past 30. It found that people with infrequent or absent relationship history …	/r/PurplePillDebate	21/01/24 06:48 PM
11	What are your thoughts on settling? How many people do you think settle? Do you have an experience settling or being settled for? Without outside pressure (arranged marriage, lots and lots of money, etc) I see it being very difficult for a modern, free person to commit to raising kids with someone they have no love or desire for. I also think the situation is unrealistic. After being with someone for long enough, your brain will either trick you into feeling some sort of desire/love or it will be so torturous that you will leave. In terms of my own experience in settling, when I was a total virgin I went for the first pers…	/r/PurplePillDebate	21/01/24 03:00 PM
5	Are women the primary motivator in most men's lives? Its a difficult question because men do have other needs beyond romance/sex and those needs actually get more important if they are lacking the former (men have more of a need for entertainment if they are alone all the time, etc). However, you can't discount the live-changing power that relationships have. One of the largest studies on happiness showed that close relationships, not money or fame, are the biggest predictors of lifetime happiness. https://news.harvard.edu/gazette/story/2017/04/ov…	/r/PurplePillDebate	21/01/24 02:38 PM
0	In the current year, do you think men should pay for dates? Why or why not? Should they always? Not as a rule. However, its expected for men to pay, admired by women, and women (at least the ones getting dates) generally have more options so it stays an expectation. The fact is if you are unwilling to pay the woman could probably easily find another guy willing to do so. You can find people willing to go 50/50 but it will severely hurt your chances. If you are young, do cheap dates. If you are old you should be able to spend $70 on a date without freaking out. Despite t…	/r/PurplePillDebate	18/01/24 01:11 AM
0	Modern dating strategy: Dating multiple people before being exclusive - Are males against this? Pretty reasonable answer	/r/PurplePillDebate	18/01/24 12:58 AM
-1	Modern dating strategy: Dating multiple people before being exclusive - Are males against this? nothing morally wrong with casual sex but you do you bro.	/r/PurplePillDebate	18/01/24 12:20 AM
2	Modern dating strategy: Dating multiple people before being exclusive - Are males against this? how does that work if the man isn't committed either?	/r/PurplePillDebate	17/01/24 06:05 PM
1	Modern dating strategy: Dating multiple people before being exclusive - Are males against this? I disagree. Some people just need more time, especially depending on how long the dates were. I agree on commitment though, the courting stage is barely the start. The bf/gf stage is when a real connection is formed but even then that only happens after many months.	/r/PurplePillDebate	17/01/24 05:04 PM
5	Modern dating strategy: Dating multiple people before being exclusive - Are males against this? Thats something I've noticed in people responding to me. They are talking about how they are building important connections towards a future and dating multiple people messes that up. No, you have known her for 2 months and seen her 3 times, the courting stage is barely the beginning of an actual relationship. There is no way you have built this long-lasting connection BEFORE YOU EVEN FORM A RELATIONSHIP. There is no connection to mess up, the connection doesn't really exist yet.	/r/PurplePillDebate	17/01/24 04:58 PM
1	Modern dating strategy: Dating multiple people before being exclusive - Are males against this? I mean she is choosing to spend time with you when she could be seeing any of the other men asking for her attention. If you don't feel any emotional investment, date someone else. But keep in mind we are not talking about a serious investment. You aren't even really "invested" in someone after being in a relationship for a few months, this situation is before you even decide to form a relationship. My point being, if we are talking a "shared future" basically none of that work is done in the co…	/r/PurplePillDebate	17/01/24 04:52 PM
2	Modern dating strategy: Dating multiple people before being exclusive - Are males against this? "How I can be committed to someone if I’m keeping options open?" You aren't committed to someone in this stage, thats the point. Once you find someone you like enough, ask for commitment. "How am I supposed to take in the idea of having rules and regulations put on to me" What rules and regulations? If you want to sleep with her you can just ask. Its not her fault if you never make a move (or don't want to) meanwhile another guy is upfront about his desires. "If a woman wants to date another man…	/r/PurplePillDebate	17/01/24 04:46 PM
1	Modern dating strategy: Dating multiple people before being exclusive - Are males against this? Some people have different relationships with sex. I do think its rare for someone to totally sleep around like that though, more often its just going on dates with multiple people at once. Why the 3 date limit though? Can't you understand for lots of people it would take longer to commit (assuming you were strangers prior to courting)?	/r/PurplePillDebate	17/01/24 04:41 PM
1	Modern dating strategy: Dating multiple people before being exclusive - Are males against this? This is true. Usually I've taken the girl to a restaurant by the third date. The specific timeline depends on how comfortable you feel, theres no exact science.	/r/PurplePillDebate	17/01/24 04:24 PM
1	Modern dating strategy: Dating multiple people before being exclusive - Are males against this? how do you establish this boundary? Do you ask or just expect it?	/r/PurplePillDebate	17/01/24 04:22 PM
1	Modern dating strategy: Dating multiple people before being exclusive - Are males against this? What if she was sleeping with both of you? What if she was sleeping with no one but was going on dates with 5 different men? Are these situations different?	/r/PurplePillDebate	17/01/24 04:20 PM
12	Work on yourself in your 20s, reap the rewards in your 30s To support this https://journals.sagepub.com/doi/full/10.1177/21676968231174083 This study looked at the relationships people formed throughout their life. It found that people who had infrequent relationships prior to their 30s had the same relationship pattern after their 30s. So people totally shifting around their dating patterns post 30 is rare.	/r/PurplePillDebate	17/01/24 04:06 PM
3	Modern dating strategy: Dating multiple people before being exclusive - Are males against this? Very sane and appropriate outlook. People don't understand how long dating takes nowadays. If you meet online or in a club you need a warming up period to just get to know each other. Then you can consider starting a relationship. There are people on here wanting commitment from the first date which is insane. Why would you want to be committed to this total stranger?	/r/PurplePillDebate	17/01/24 03:55 PM
2	Modern dating strategy: Dating multiple people before being exclusive - Are males against this? It seems like you just don't like coffee dates (which is fine). But I don't understand how walking around a museum + boba is meaningfully different than walking around a nice park + coffee. It seems like you just like the former better which is why it is "nice" and the coffee date is bad. So I dunno if its a dislike of cheap dates, you might just not like coffee dates.	/r/PurplePillDebate	17/01/24 03:52 PM
7	Modern dating strategy: Dating multiple people before being exclusive - Are males against this? What rules and regulations? You are making these rules about "focusing on one woman at a time" yourself. Most people in the modern dating world, men and women, don't stick to these rules. The average woman you court is not expecting you to be exclusive during that time, so there is no double standard. You could be sleeping around too. If you want exclusivity, the one way to guarantee it is to BE IN A RELATIONSHIP. We are talking about the courting stage, you are just two friends talking about po…	/r/PurplePillDebate	17/01/24 03:46 PM
2	Modern dating strategy: Dating multiple people before being exclusive - Are males against this? This has to do with the courting stage where you are not actually in a relationship yet. You are basically just friends testing out if you want a relationship with each other. Nothing monogamous about it, unless you want to make it so by asking.	/r/PurplePillDebate	17/01/24 03:19 PM
3	Modern dating strategy: Dating multiple people before being exclusive - Are males against this? Lol how are you seeing someone as the love of your life before you are even committed? If you fall in love after 2 dates thats your problem.	/r/PurplePillDebate	17/01/24 03:14 PM
8	Modern dating strategy: Dating multiple people before being exclusive - Are males against this? At a certain age lower effort dates make a lot of sense. In your early-mid 20s people are experimenting, dating around, and don't have lots of money. It makes sense to do something like coffee and a walk or maybe a museum then boba. People don't have the money or desire to invest a lot in someone so early. In your 30s or later I imagine it makes more sense to do restaurant dates and spend a little more money. You are expected to be established financially by this age and dating is generally take…	/r/PurplePillDebate	17/01/24 03:13 PM
1	Modern dating strategy: Dating multiple people before being exclusive - Are males against this? If you have not committed there is no expectation of exclusivity for either of you. You can sleep with other women if you want. The money, time, and energy is to have a CHANCE at being exclusive. It can suck but thats how modern dating works.	/r/PurplePillDebate	17/01/24 03:08 PM
0	Modern dating strategy: Dating multiple people before being exclusive - Are males against this? How come you aren't sleeping with other people during the courting stage? The door is open for you too. Also, depending on the duration and frequency of the dates 3 dates is not enough for a lot of people to commit to a relationship, especially if they have lots of options.	/r/PurplePillDebate	17/01/24 03:04 PM
21	The fact that the rest of Reddit thinks PPD is “toxic” shows how messed up things are rn Many posters on this sub do have abnormal perspectives. Any time a discussion on birthrates comes around you see people advocating for patriarchy and taking away rights from women. On posts like these https://www.reddit.com/r/PurplePillDebate/comments/197o7xq/it_is_okay_to_quit_dating_but_not_okay_to_quit/ The comments are full of men who have never had any romantic experience, some saying they wish they could kill themselves because of it. These are abnormal perspectives compared to the general…	/r/PurplePillDebate	16/01/24 09:28 PM
7	You're not forced to be with women who don't want you. Your perspective is based on a stupid idea that women in their 20s are all looking at 30+ year old men as their dating pool. In reality, most relationships have a 2-3 year age gap with only 8% of male/female relationships having an age gap of 10+ years. https://www.bbc.com/worklife/article/20220317-age-gaps-the-relationship-taboo-that-wont-die	/r/PurplePillDebate	12/01/24 10:42 PM
6	You're not forced to be with women who don't want you. What is your evidence for this? The most reputable sources say women aged 25-44 report 4 median sexual partners. https://www.mindbodygreen.com/articles/the-ideal-number-of-sexual-partners-for-men-women Its okay if you disagree with the way these studies are run, but in that case, whats your evidence that most women have lots of sex before 30?	/r/PurplePillDebate	12/01/24 10:38 PM
5	If someone is content being single, then their standards can be as high as they want Who says you are a 5/6? You? God? Your dad? These numbers are all made up, theres something holding you back from being attractive to girls you think are on your level. So its actually not settling.	/r/PurplePillDebate	12/01/24 01:55 PM
1	CMV: Dating for most men gets easier at 30 because they lack the sexual experience to realise , women's standards and desires for a relationship, marriage shift out of necessity. Thats totally different from the situation in the OP though. This guy seems to be implying the example in the OP, a guy who gets married to a 30 year old woman with lots of past partners and has kids with her, is a cuck.	/r/PurplePillDebate	12/01/24 01:50 PM
1	CMV: Dating for most men gets easier at 30 because they lack the sexual experience to realise , women's standards and desires for a relationship, marriage shift out of necessity. Thats totally different from the situation in the OP though. This guy seems to be implying the example in the OP, a guy who gets married to a 30 year old woman with lots of past partners and has kids with her, is a cuck.	/r/PurplePillDebate	12/01/24 01:40 PM
5	If someone is content being single, then their standards can be as high as they want Go talk to different women. Men who don't have the body of a demigod or a ten inch dick get laid and find relationships all the time. Actually just read your other comments and it seems like you are unwilling to self-improve and don't want to date the women who do find you attractive. So I guess you are kinda screwed. If you don't like the women at your level either improve or find happiness in singlehood.	/r/PurplePillDebate	11/01/24 11:11 PM
10	If someone is content being single, then their standards can be as high as they want A lot of people raised on the internet don't understand what "average women" really look like.	/r/PurplePillDebate	11/01/24 11:10 PM
10	If someone is content being single, then their standards can be as high as they want Men being forever alone is super rare. 96% of men have been married at least once by age 75. https://flowingdata.com/2017/11/01/who-is-married-by-now/ According to pew 20% of never married people have also never been in a relationship https://www.pewresearch.org/social-trends/2020/08/20/a-profile-of-single-americans/#:~:text=Never%2Dmarried%20single%20men%20and,and%2037%25%2C%20respectively). So that means about 0.8% of men are forever alone.	/r/PurplePillDebate	11/01/24 11:03 PM
0	Debate : People dont understand that Money and status makes you GENUINELY more sexually attractive as a Man. Those charisma and social skills are (in part) what make lawyers "high status". Succeeding in high status fields requires attractive characteristics, so someone who succeeds in high status fields will be seen as more attractive. Thats my point.	/r/PurplePillDebate	11/01/24 10:15 PM
2	CMV: Dating for most men gets easier at 30 because they lack the sexual experience to realise , women's standards and desires for a relationship, marriage shift out of necessity. How is billy a beta cuck?	/r/PurplePillDebate	11/01/24 03:59 PM
2	CMV: Dating apps are becoming the only socially acceptable way to get a relationship Wait so you don't think dating apps are the only socially acceptable way to get a relationship? Thats what your comment implied	/r/PurplePillDebate	11/01/24 02:17 AM
21	CMV: Dating apps are becoming the only socially acceptable way to get a relationship You are wrong. Dating through social circles is still very viable. Evidence: "Today's young adults, especially young women, are increasingly finding romance in their friend groups. In our survey, 43% of people between the ages of 18 and 29 said they were in a relationship with someone who was first a friend, including an astonishing 50% of women in that cohort. This is double the 21% of people over 65 who reported having been friends with their partner or spouse before they started dating." "A 2…	/r/PurplePillDebate	11/01/24 02:13 AM
5	CMV: Dating apps are becoming the only socially acceptable way to get a relationship Nope "Today's young adults, especially young women, are increasingly finding romance in their friend groups. In our survey, 43% of people between the ages of 18 and 29 said they were in a relationship with someone who was first a friend, including an astonishing 50% of women in that cohort. This is double the 21% of people over 65 who reported having been friends with their partner or spouse before they started dating." "A 2021 survey of college students by researchers at the University of Victo…	/r/PurplePillDebate	11/01/24 02:04 AM
2	Debate : People dont understand that Money and status makes you GENUINELY more sexually attractive as a Man. Or maybe stability and competency in a difficult field is attractive? I'd argue most high status fields require a degree of social skills and charisma which can be either innate or learned. They also require a degree of grooming and presentation which leads to a better appearance on average. But those requirements are in part what makes these jobs high status. You can break down any high status job into what will be attractive and prosocial requirements. Its a combination of being able to meet t…	/r/PurplePillDebate	10/01/24 05:51 PM
8	Debate : People dont understand that Money and status makes you GENUINELY more sexually attractive as a Man. chicken-or-egg scenario, were all those lawyers naturally charismatic or did pursuing a career in law cause them to refine their rhetorical and communication skills? Its probably a combination of both but you can't discount either. Otherwise you end up in straight genetic determinism where everyone ends up in a job because they were especially genetically fit for it which just isn't true. There are likely plenty of average people who become above average in charisma through training to be an eff…	/r/PurplePillDebate	10/01/24 05:21 PM
12	Debate : People dont understand that Money and status makes you GENUINELY more sexually attractive as a Man. so what causes 92% of male lawyers to be partnered compared to 60% of the overall male population? https://www.pewresearch.org/social-trends/2021/10/05/rising-share-of-u-s-adults-are-living-without-a-spouse-or-partner/	/r/PurplePillDebate	10/01/24 04:40 PM
11	Debate : People dont understand that Money and status makes you GENUINELY more sexually attractive as a Man. You don't need to be a pro athlete to get benefits from status: https://www.abajournal.com/news/article/why_lawyers_can_be_difficult_spouses 92% of male lawyers have been married https://www.chiefhealthcareexecutive.com/view/on-valentine-s-day-most-doctors-are-married-but-women-physicians-are-more-likely-to-be-single 95% of male doctors are in a relationship	/r/PurplePillDebate	10/01/24 04:25 PM
–	Debate : People dont understand that Money and status makes you GENUINELY more sexually attractive as a Man. Some evidence for his point: https://bpspsychub.onlinelibrary.wiley.com/doi/full/10.1348/000712609X417319 "The present study experimentally manipulated status by seating the same target model (male and female matched for attractiveness) expressing identical facial expressions and posture in either a ‘high status’ (Silver Bentley Continental GT) or a ‘neutral status’ (Red Ford Fiesta ST) motor-car." "Results showed that the male target model was rated as significantly more attractive on a rating …	/r/PurplePillDebate	10/01/24 04:05 PM
1	Do you think young girls need to bring back the 90 day rule, or even more extreme like wait until marriage? I agree, I was partially incorrect. Sex doesn't necessarily secure commitment, it moreso wards off dudes who only want sex and are willing to lie to get it. Keep in mind though that my examples come from a college setting. Its not really the "animal sex drive" but the culture of not wanting to commit among some college dudes that leads to these patterns. However, I think the culture would quickly change if more women waited until commitment to have sex. Without easy access to casual sex men woul…	/r/PurplePillDebate	09/01/24 09:27 PM
6	Do you think young girls need to bring back the 90 day rule, or even more extreme like wait until marriage? Lol if they were at 8 in the 80s and 2.5 now what do you call that if not a decline? Do you know how birth rate statistics are calculated? Its births per woman. Even if China has a extreme gender imbalance towards men that doesn't erase the fact that the women are choosing to have fewer kids than they used to. Ok how about this study? ~90% of women aged 18-24 had 2 sexual partners or fewer in the past year (80% had one or fewer). https://jamanetwork.com/journals/jamanetworkopen/fullarticle/27670…	/r/PurplePillDebate	09/01/24 07:34 PM
2	Texting a girl: Keep it short and simple or she will run! People don't want to date someone who makes them feel like shit, they have emotional needs and if their partner isn't meeting them the relationship usually ends. Relationships require intimacy, just don't overdo it (especially early on). I'd say the ideal is more like "short and sweet" rather than "short and simple". You want to generate positive emotions but overdoing it can seem clingy. As other people have pointed out being consistently curt and dry is just boring. There needs to be some thin…	/r/PurplePillDebate	09/01/24 07:12 PM
7	Texting a girl: Keep it short and simple or she will run! I generally agree, being overly placating can end up coming off as fake and disingenuous. If you do this early in a relationship you will also be seen as suffocating and clingy. However, the other extreme is bad too. People don't want to date someone who makes them feel like shit. Especially if the girl is really insecure shes gonna have serious issues if her bf constantly brushes off all her worries and attempts at intimacy. Theres a reason "bad boys" either don't stay bad boys for long or tend…	/r/PurplePillDebate	09/01/24 06:59 PM
4	Do you think young girls need to bring back the 90 day rule, or even more extreme like wait until marriage? wild animals don't usually check for consent from their sexual partner	/r/PurplePillDebate	09/01/24 06:48 PM
11	Do you think young girls need to bring back the 90 day rule, or even more extreme like wait until marriage? lower birth rates have basically nothing to do with "whores". Every developed nation is experiencing a decline in birthrates even in ones with a more prudish sexual culture like Saudi Arabia, Turkey, and China. Also most women have between 4-8 sexual partners in their lifetime with romantic partners. https://www.cdc.gov/nchs/nsfg/key_statistics/n-keystat.htm There is a hypersexual 5-10% of "whores" but they are not responsible for the birthrates. Research has even shown that people who engage in…	/r/PurplePillDebate	09/01/24 06:43 PM
-2	Do you think young girls need to bring back the 90 day rule, or even more extreme like wait until marriage? I think it could solve a lot of problems. An anecdote is that recently a girl wrote in my college paper about their experiences in college. They said they tried to pursue dating but would frequently have sex with dudes and contact would "fizzle out" after. They were upset that they had never experienced actually having a relationship and said many of their friends felt the same way. They also cited statistics of the student body that 60% of girls on campus say they are dissatisfied with the dati…	/r/PurplePillDebate	09/01/24 06:36 PM
1	Do you think young girls need to bring back the 90 day rule, or even more extreme like wait until marriage? 21/Male/Relationship I think it would solve a lot of problems. An anecdote is that recently a girl wrote in my college paper about their experiences in college. They said they tried to pursue dating but would frequently have sex with dudes and contact would "fizzle out" after. They were upset that they had never experienced actually having a relationship and said many of their friends felt the same way. They also cited statistics of the student body that 60% of girls on campus say they are dissa…	/r/PurplePillDebate	09/01/24 06:30 PM
2	Should paternity tests be mandatory? I agree, the biological father should support the kids. But forcing an unrelated person against their will is not the answer.	/r/PurplePillDebate	08/01/24 07:15 AM
2	Should paternity tests be mandatory? I don't think you understand the laws around child care. A week is enough to establish you as the legal guardian for the child. Without a suitable alternative the court will force you to accept responsibility for the child or pay child support. The whole system is built around making a person responsible for the child so the state doesn't have to pay. If men are unsure about parentage they should get this info ASAP. (Disclaimer: I don't know how often someone ends up in this situation. It is pro…	/r/PurplePillDebate	07/01/24 06:47 PM
2	Should paternity tests be mandatory? By then your name is on the birth certificate and it can be impossible to remove even if it is determined you are not the biological father. https://www.usbirthcertificates.com/articles/remove-a-non-biological-parent-from-a-birth-certificate Courts will often make this decision based on the well-being of the child, which means if there is not an alternative father you might be forced to remain on the certificate. This would make you the legal guardian or responsible for child support for a child…	/r/PurplePillDebate	07/01/24 06:40 PM
1	Female Behavior Rewards Manipulative Men Who Play The Field Or Date Downwards So is the female orgasm a myth or something?	/r/PurplePillDebate	07/01/24 04:07 PM
9	Female Behavior Rewards Manipulative Men Who Play The Field Or Date Downwards Everyone rewards dating down, I'd argue men reward it more but women do it less. As for casting a wide net, this is 100% necessary in modern dating. Flaking and rejections are too common as a guy to waste time only talking to one person. Its also part of the culture to not start a relationship until at least a few weeks of dating, usually more. Seeing one person at a time will totally destroy your dating prospects as a guy.	/r/PurplePillDebate	07/01/24 04:04 PM
2	Men mistake women ignoring most men as her being loyal. Let's debate This is an unfalsifiable theory, its also not supported by any evidence. But lets examine the logic: If someone has a girlfriend who never cheats and they stay together until death then he must have been the best she could get. Or maybe she was fantasizing about better guys all along and deep down never really loved him. If the relationship ends for any reason then I guess her feelings fizzled out and she got interested in other men. After all, if he was the better guy she would have forgiven wh…	/r/PurplePillDebate	07/01/24 04:09 AM
0	Avoiding the Coming Demographic Collapse Feminism often spreads through education and socialization, especially when you are talking basic, first-wave feminism. Women voting and being seen as having equal rights is basically a given for 99% of the population. Thats not gonna go away.	/r/PurplePillDebate	29/12/23 06:01 AM
2	Avoiding the Coming Demographic Collapse The muslim thing is such a cope. Muslims are about 1% of the US population and US born Muslims have a fertility rate of 2.2 which isn't a ton higher than the native rate. Even if things continue at the current rate its gonna take a long time for muslims to be a majority of the population, and by then a lot will have totally assimilated.	/r/PurplePillDebate	29/12/23 05:58 AM
1	Chasing women is a huge waste of time. "he should not make her center of his attention and simp for her" does not equal ignoring her. You are just describing not being clingy. I know you know that, but I am taking your message at face value. "majority of people on tinder are already in relationship and looking for ego boost" Thats just not true.	/r/PurplePillDebate	27/12/23 10:20 PM
1	Chasing women is a huge waste of time. yeah because a woman will suddenly fall in love with a 5'2 balding janitor because he treats her like shit. There has to be some sort of attraction beforehand. Also you underestimate the amount of men interested in a relationship. 40% of men on online dating use it to find a LTR and 40% are looking for some sort of casual relationship. Makes sense considering that in young cohorts 20% of people met their partners on a dating app. https://www.pewresearch.org/short-reads/2023/02/02/key-findings-ab…	/r/PurplePillDebate	27/12/23 03:32 PM
7	Chasing women is a huge waste of time. Only true if she is extremely attracted to you already. Even then she will give up if you show no interest back. Silly to think in the era of tinder and instagram DMs a woman wouldn't just find an equally attractive guy who actually likes her.	/r/PurplePillDebate	27/12/23 02:08 PM
2	Chasing women is a huge waste of time. Being uninterested in dating won't help your dating success. Working on yourself will, but you will likely still need to try to date. I agree with the rest though, lots of dudes on reddit have either given up on ever finding happiness or hate all of society because they can't get laid and neither attitudes are healthy. However, I will admit it is REALLY hard to just ignore the pressure of pair bonding. If you can though, your life will be simpler and way easier.	/r/PurplePillDebate	27/12/23 02:05 PM