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What benefits do men provide in that case? And what do women provide other than sex?
/r/PurplePillDebate22/04/24 12:40 AM
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Oh I do that too I love yoga
/r/PurplePillDebate21/04/24 08:20 PM
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Yeah I guess so. It’s sad, my weekend hobby is I float around my pool and smoke pot. It ain’t much but it’s honest work. I thought for sure I would be a father taking my kids to soccer or something. But it’s like, I need an outlet, and thank for marijuana was legalized where I live. Completely a godsend in this era where men are made to waste away or be worked to death.
/r/PurplePillDebate21/04/24 08:08 PM
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They are all man haters.
/r/PurplePillDebate21/04/24 05:06 PM
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There are? I don’t know any of them.
/r/PurplePillDebate21/04/24 04:10 PM
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I was considered good looking in college and racked up 16 partners and I can barely get a like today. It’s crazy. Women today have zero value or regard for good men.
/r/PurplePillDebate21/04/24 04:08 PM
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Men bad
/r/PurplePillDebate21/04/24 04:07 PM
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👋
/r/PurplePillDebate21/04/24 02:59 PM
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My ex began to resent me from the get go when we split bills. I was attractive enough to get away with it for a while but eventually she cheated.
/r/PurplePillDebate21/04/24 02:28 PM
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So you go through life scared to death and wimpy.
/r/PurplePillDebate21/04/24 02:25 PM
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I’m in my mid 30’s and the situation isn’t any better.
/r/PurplePillDebate21/04/24 02:20 PM
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Empires rise, empires fall, but people still have babies. Don’t quote The Dude. You are one of the nihilists.
/r/PurplePillDebate21/04/24 02:07 PM
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What a typical leftie you are. Quick to throw your hands up and give up on life over 100 things all out of your control.
/r/PurplePillDebate21/04/24 02:05 PM
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Yeah that’s probably true. I have a Master’s degree and a high IQ. Women don’t care. I think I’m too smart to deal with women anymore.
/r/PurplePillDebate21/04/24 02:02 PM
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You missed the part where I said life isn’t fair, there’s nothing that can be done. And if we don’t want to continue the species through relationships and sex, we’re simply a useless, dead end. mentally ill society, that has no value.
/r/PurplePillDebate21/04/24 01:58 PM
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Good I like lesbians. I wish more women would go lesbian and leave men alone.
/r/PurplePillDebate21/04/24 01:56 PM
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Well you probably believe there is a long history of women being used for sex, so now it’s legitimate turnabout to say men are only good for sex, which is what you believe.
/r/PurplePillDebate21/04/24 01:51 PM
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So you do this to get revenge.
/r/PurplePillDebate21/04/24 01:47 PM
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That’s pretty crazy you can ask someone to hook up. If men try that it’s sexual harassment. In the old days a woman would get slapped for trying that.
/r/PurplePillDebate21/04/24 01:38 PM
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I can’t relate to most women but especially younger women because they are just dumb.
/r/PurplePillDebate21/04/24 01:24 PM
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If the goal is reproduction then we are both entitled to each other in some sense. We have to work together to build a good society but we are all so selfish and atomized.
/r/PurplePillDebate21/04/24 01:19 PM
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Well, I’m not going to write a novel about every positive trait I could possibly have. Life is a process of learning. I’ve learned a lot about women since I was first sexually active in ‘09. I’ve learned I can be a very desirable partner. I didn’t think 16 partners was that high, until I talk to gen z men who are all virgins. I also learned women can be vicious. Absolutely vicious. Something is holding me back, I don’t know who to trust.
/r/PurplePillDebate21/04/24 01:08 PM
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I don’t consider myself mediocre. I’m pretty tall, Italian good looking, double the average income, but I still don’t see any prospects for raising a family.
/r/PurplePillDebate21/04/24 01:02 PM
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Dude most of society hates men, I dislike feminism, you’ll never know the frustration of your main haters wanting to use you for sex and otherwise see you as a worthless nuisance.
/r/PurplePillDebate21/04/24 01:01 PM
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There is no good method to get into a relationship for a man. It’s pure luck, and otherwise you’re in silent hill.
/r/PurplePillDebate21/04/24 12:12 PM
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Of course we would be happier. We would be less isolated, I would be happier if in my mid 30’s I got to have a wife and child and not being stuck in life by myself.
/r/PurplePillDebate21/04/24 12:10 PM
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Yeah that’s how I thought when I was in my 20’s. If I had sex with a woman I would usually get possessive thinking about LTR too soon. But now I’m mid 30’s and it looks like I’ll never get married or have kids, so you’re right.
/r/PurplePillDebate21/04/24 12:08 PM
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It’s unfair because many more men than women are single and most of us won’t have children, which is a cultural shock for those of us who remember the 90’s and early 00’s when kids were common, but life isn’t fair. That’s the point.
/r/PurplePillDebate21/04/24 11:58 AM
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Life isn’t fair my dude. Did you think I wanted to be smoking reefer by the pool in my 30’s. I wanted to have a wife and child, but life isn’t fair. Not even a little bit.
/r/PurplePillDebate21/04/24 11:56 AM
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Men don’t have an in-group bias. Men also look more positively on women than men.
/r/PurplePillDebate21/04/24 11:52 AM
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Probably this, probably that, If I’m sexist it’s because i’m responding to women being sexist against men, who have a natural in-group bias which men lack. Benevolent sexism and the “women are wonderful” effect are just as bad as hostile sexism.
/r/PurplePillDebate21/04/24 11:51 AM
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Women have an in group bias, women do not like men.
/r/PurplePillDebate20/04/24 11:20 PM
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I’m single in my mid 30’s. I don’t get responses from any women 20’s or 30’s. It isn’t even a choice.
/r/PurplePillDebate20/04/24 11:13 PM
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I never want to date someone who is afraid of me. That’s cringe.
/r/PurplePillDebate20/04/24 11:04 PM
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I never get responses on dating sites.
/r/PurplePillDebate20/04/24 10:58 PM
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Nature made men the dominant half of the species. Why aren’t we being utilized for any specific purpose consistent with our nature? Why aren’t we raising families? Women celebrate embodying their identity. Men cannot, Because women and society hate us. Women who want to lead in relationships can’t tell you why they even want to be in a relationship with a man. I think it’s bad for men’s mental health to be controlled and dominated by women who don’t even like us. Scientifically when a woman out …
/r/PurplePillDebate20/04/24 09:06 PM
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I haven’t found it hard in the past. From 09 to 2023 I was in a succession of relationships and I’m just coming to terms now with learning to value myself above relationships.
/r/PurplePillDebate20/04/24 05:17 PM
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I don’t just mean between us, but us, men and women. I don’t trust women as a whole, and you haven’t changed my opinion.
/r/PurplePillDebate20/04/24 04:47 PM
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There is zero trust between us. We’ll have to agree to disagree.
/r/PurplePillDebate20/04/24 04:39 PM
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Unfortunately I can’t get through to you, maybe you’ll hide your man-hate from men like me, like women used to. Or you’ll keep broadcasting it. But we get icks too.
/r/PurplePillDebate20/04/24 04:35 PM
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Let me put it this way, I would want to ensure if I were to ever have a relationship with a woman again, that she believes men are a social good and serve a good social purpose. If a woman can’t answer that question I have zero interest in her.
/r/PurplePillDebate20/04/24 04:29 PM
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You still aren’t getting what I’m trying to say. It’s not about women giving purpose, but giving an answer as to what purpose should be. How could you have a relationship without defining and respecting its purpose? How can you have a society without defining and respecting its purpose? Do we not think on macro levels anymore?
/r/PurplePillDebate20/04/24 04:20 PM
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In my mind I would have expected women to think about social purpose of both men & women and how that fits in for the good of society and everyone. My Grandfather always taught me to concern myself with the good of society. He encouraged me to go to college. He grew up in the depression and he fought in WWII. In the 1950’s his generation built the most successful society in history. With that generation now out of time’s reach we have no idea what we’re doing.
/r/PurplePillDebate20/04/24 04:08 PM
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Women and men just don’t relate to each other in the same way. Men expect people should have convictions about their lives and their social purpose and how that fits in with everyone else.
/r/PurplePillDebate20/04/24 03:58 PM
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It only became a big emergency in the 2008 GFC. Between that and 9/11 we were going to enter an end stage.
/r/PurplePillDebate20/04/24 03:55 PM
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I know it sounds nuts to you, do women not have political or social narratives in their minds other than “I should be able to do whatever I want”. Women and men think very differently. Agree to disagree.
/r/PurplePillDebate20/04/24 03:53 PM
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Well do you want to live in a decaying and vacant society? It’s going to be post apocalyptic, we will all be poorer, and have a continuous decline in the standard of living.
/r/PurplePillDebate20/04/24 03:51 PM
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For whatever reason women don’t give much thought about social purpose, or how everyone has a part to play in maintaining a decent society. And if you aren’t old enough you won’t remember how much more functional and how much less anxiety inducing our society was just a few decades ago.
/r/PurplePillDebate20/04/24 03:49 PM
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We’ll have to agree to disagree. I think it’s tragic we as a society have a pretty vacant and decaying future, with plummeting economic activity and tax revenue.
/r/PurplePillDebate20/04/24 03:45 PM
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It women proudly declare men useless in all things but one, then yes that is the woman’s fault.
/r/PurplePillDebate20/04/24 03:35 PM
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You’re right that we’re in a deep shit state in history unfortunately, I have seen this problem escalate since 9/11 happened when I was 14, but I also see places in the world considerably more hopeless still having healthy partnerships and families that lead to children.
/r/PurplePillDebate20/04/24 03:34 PM
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In our society, women define men’s value completely, and they assign us a pretty low value in general. Women haven’t considered how repulsive this has become to men, and that’s why many men including myself have walked away from relationships and casual dating. It’s just disgusting the way women think about us, and we would rather be alone than with some woman who can’t even tell us why she would want to be with a man in the first place. If women wanted relationships with men they would stop den…
/r/PurplePillDebate20/04/24 03:30 PM
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And yet women today are unhappier than any time in our history. Fine, if that’s what you want, we’ll go our separate ways. Agree to disagree.
/r/PurplePillDebate20/04/24 03:21 PM
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Then what are men for in your mind? Why are feminine desires celebrated and masculine desires mocked? Doesn’t make sense. That’s not equal.
/r/PurplePillDebate20/04/24 03:18 PM
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The messaging women got growing up in this society came from elder baby boomer feminists who denigrated men and said never depend on a man, yet men are still expected to depend on women. In your ill mind men are dumb and malleable. We aren’t either of those things/
/r/PurplePillDebate20/04/24 03:16 PM
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You really say it all, the modern left leaning woman thinks men have no purpose, cheated for dominance, and now we need to be put in our place, constantly publicly humiliated.
/r/PurplePillDebate20/04/24 03:13 PM
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Bitches ain’t Shit by Dr Dre
/r/PurplePillDebate20/04/24 02:26 PM
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It stems from women being empowered above men in this society. So women begin acting entitled and promiscuous, they act domineering in relationships, they cheat, they won’t date good men for stupid reasons, and this is all part of our society crumbling.
/r/PurplePillDebate20/04/24 02:02 PM
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Look, I’m not delusional, today five partners is the new virginity. But don’t go having 100 and then thinking a man will provide for you afterwards.
/r/PurplePillDebate20/04/24 01:58 PM
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I want relationships to be mutually beneficial, and not selfishly one sided for the woman’s benefit. Women are so insecure and irrationally fear being controlled, so you push away men, and fine, build those walls, I don’t give a shit. I have enough wisdom to know your lifestyle is a doomed failure.
/r/PurplePillDebate20/04/24 01:56 PM
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It’s true. Even liberal women, who I have dated, hate you more and more over time if you aren’t a masculine leader. Women jump around to different liberal men thinking “this time, I’ll be happy” but the same thing happens.
/r/PurplePillDebate20/04/24 01:49 PM
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It’s evolution. Men care about establishing paternity. Women don’t. Therefore, men place a higher value on fewer partner history rather than more. Women not caring about what men think is mentally ill. We’re supposed to work together as one human species to build a better world, not let women step all over our dicks out of bitterness to the point that it ruins society.
/r/PurplePillDebate20/04/24 01:47 PM
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Your attitude is repellant to any men of any value. It’s a self fulfilling prophecy. You scare off good dick, then claim it doesn’t exist.
/r/PurplePillDebate20/04/24 01:45 PM
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In some things, yes. For example, men are superior in decisiveness, sticking to their word, and loyalty, which makes men better leaders. Women get angry and hateful towards a man who can’t lead. I’ve learned this through experience.
/r/PurplePillDebate20/04/24 01:43 PM
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Women hate men but use us for sex anyway. Women think men are stupid and that this behavior of having many sex partners is okay with men. But these women with many sex partners will never be seen as respectable long term partner material. They will live into old age alone.
/r/PurplePillDebate20/04/24 01:37 PM
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When women try to lead it becomes domination. Women do things like humiliate you in front of mutual friends, or try to open up the relationship, when men are disempowered. A woman can’t be satisfied in a relationship unless she can “look up” to the man. We’ve created an unworkable culture.
/r/PurplePillDebate20/04/24 01:32 PM
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No one on social media is happy.
/r/PurplePillDebate20/04/24 12:55 PM
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That’s what these studies are attempting to show, that men’s social status had been artificially lifted. We should be on our knees. Why do you think polyamory, cuckoldry, women-led relationships, are so popular and common. This ends with women being able to have as many sex partners they want without ever having to commit to one man. That’s the direction this man-hate cultural dynamic is taking us.
/r/PurplePillDebate20/04/24 12:12 PM
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I don’t think there can be equality in relationships. Either the woman dominates the man or the man leads the woman.
/r/PurplePillDebate20/04/24 12:09 PM
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Yes I think men should be the leader in the relationship. We are tall, have stronger muscles, nuts, so why would a tiny, vagina-owner be the leader? It’s emasculating and domineering for a woman to lead men.
/r/PurplePillDebate20/04/24 12:06 PM
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College educated women are more likely to feel unhappy in the marriage and initiate divorce. That doesn’t mean I wouldn’t date a college educated woman.
/r/PurplePillDebate20/04/24 12:04 PM
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Are the men happy in these relationships? I have my doubts.
/r/PurplePillDebate20/04/24 03:05 AM
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And they will divorce at high rates as those relationships become dominated by the woman.
/r/PurplePillDebate20/04/24 02:58 AM
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So if men aren’t accepting femme status they are just upholding unjust oppressive structures.
/r/PurplePillDebate20/04/24 02:25 AM
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Women lack values today because they’ve been permitted to do so. They are still human.
/r/PurplePillDebate20/04/24 01:42 AM
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Maybe some men grow resentful of women who constantly treat us badly and with zero respect. But I think most men instead just quietly get disgusted, not actually hating women, but hating women’s behavior.
/r/PurplePillDebate20/04/24 01:37 AM
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I see women notice me all the time, every time I leave the house. What I don’t like are the relationship dynamics today where men are made to be more submissive.
/r/PurplePillDebate20/04/24 01:35 AM
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Men don’t hate women, women hate men. Women complaining about men who hate women are 100% projecting.
/r/PurplePillDebate20/04/24 01:31 AM
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Women lie because they are insecure about themselves and aggressive about getting what they want. They see men as inferior things to be conquered, used for resources or sexual gratification, and then discarded. This is their unrestricted nature we’re witnessing.
/r/PurplePillDebate20/04/24 01:30 AM
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Because they are thinking about men. Women just think we’re too stupid to notice. You’re banking on that.
/r/PurplePillDebate20/04/24 01:24 AM
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Yes I’ve seen that switch happen in my prior relationships. If you confide in a woman or show any struggles or vulnerability she will stop desiring you.
/r/PurplePillDebate20/04/24 01:19 AM
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Women have an in-group bias, they crave and enjoy social dominance over men, they enjoy emasculation of men, why would they ever need to dwell on one man?
/r/PurplePillDebate20/04/24 01:07 AM
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Contrary to your point, men are less free to be who we are and express who we are, as wanting to be the sexually dominant. Women are socializing men to be the opposite of what’s healthy for men to be, including making men more submissive, passive, and normalizing sexual behaviors that emasculate men. Like polyamory and cuckoldry, and no longer raising families and children with men.
/r/PurplePillDebate20/04/24 12:45 AM
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I don’t see equality in relationships today, I think women have taken control in the realm of relationships, men are feminine and submissive today, and it’s led many men to leave the dating scene.
/r/PurplePillDebate20/04/24 12:33 AM
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You’re telling me men’s social status is artificially lifted and women’s social status is artificially suppressed. You’re telling me women lack self esteem in terms of abilities and men have too much. Maybe you’re right, in some areas. But at least straight women will come to regret painting men as their social inferior. It’s grossed out enough men to keep a majority of us from dating.
/r/PurplePillDebate20/04/24 12:24 AM
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You’re kind of beating around this bush, let me ask you out right, do you think men are inferior to women and should men be socially submissive? I took my anti nausea pill for the day so you can be honest.
/r/PurplePillDebate20/04/24 12:11 AM
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There are a lot of types of couples arrangements today that turn my stomach. Women today seem to enjoy being above men in the social dynamics, seem to enjoy leading men in relationships. It’s like for a while no one noticed but now it’s gotten gross.
/r/PurplePillDebate20/04/24 12:09 AM
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A lot of this praise of women also serves as backhanded insults to men. Not too long ago women hid their superiority complex, now they bang it like a big old gong anywhere they go. If we haven’t collectively denigrated men enough and it’s already vomit inducing I don’t know what to tell ya.
/r/PurplePillDebate20/04/24 12:05 AM
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When you see men have no choice but to live at their parents house, while single women get good jobs and buy homes. It becomes a reversal of power, not equality. With women having the degrees. The jobs. The houses. They have the social power. Straight men don’t want to be feminine. We don’t want to go begging women of higher social status. That’s sick. Decent women wouldn’t do that to their men in a society.
/r/PurplePillDebate19/04/24 11:44 PM
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By masculine i mean women who are individualist, indifferent, critical of men, domineering, women who place value on out-competing men in education and in capitalism, which is what is happening. Men don’t want to become women, or play the feminine role. That’s why so many men are single. We would rather be single than be in the feminine role in a relationship.
/r/PurplePillDebate19/04/24 11:24 PM
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The social trends may have benefited some groups, but I look back on heteronormativity in the 90’s and early 00’s as a time that was more stable, less mentally ill, more monogamous relationships, more children. It was better for the majority. Women didn’t overtly hate men as they do today. I’ve gotten to the point where I’m disgusted by how women think about men and treat men that I’m pushing women away in my personal life. You don’t see the cracks in the so called social progress. 63% of men ar…
/r/PurplePillDebate19/04/24 11:18 PM
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Of course it was. The masculine women we have today are undesirable.
/r/PurplePillDebate19/04/24 10:59 PM
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I agree it’s doomed to fail. Women are becoming masculine-presenting as a default. Financially they want a man to be a provider, but they otherwise want to act like men. And since we aren’t gay, we don’t want women to both act like men and take financial advantage.
/r/PurplePillDebate19/04/24 10:55 PM
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Bumble is so gross. Why do women want to be men today?
/r/PurplePillDebate19/04/24 10:51 PM
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Think about how much gayer society got over the last twenty years. Gen Z has more gays than any generation. A similar change happened to women. Women have become more masculine. They display masculine indifference toward men, so of course we give up on dating. These women are impossible to date.
/r/PurplePillDebate19/04/24 10:43 PM
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Women have become masculine and are displaying masculine indifference. So it’s no wonder we men think women have gone their own way.
/r/PurplePillDebate19/04/24 10:39 PM
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That’s a fancy way of saying you want to be domineering, accusatory, judgmental, and devalue your man, and get away with it. That you deserve a yes-man you will walk all over. Revolting. 🤢
/r/PurplePillDebate19/04/24 10:36 PM
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Women like you will have all kinds of excuses and justifications about why you deserve an overly attentive yes-man partner who will let you take the lead and be the man in the relationship. I was the one who ended both my LTRs so not all relationships follow this silly pattern.
/r/PurplePillDebate19/04/24 10:31 PM
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Men need to harden up, turn inward, turn away from civil society. Stop participating as much as possible and focus on yourself. It’s not a bad thing. This is what needs to be done.
/r/PurplePillDebate18/04/24 06:28 PM
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I think there is some truth to this. I have grown less attracted to women since the early 2000’s because they have become more masculine and dominant.
/r/PurplePillDebate18/04/24 10:42 AM
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I didn’t even think 16 was that many partners.
/r/PurplePillDebate18/04/24 10:32 AM
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Oh for sure. Luckily i didn’t let this relationship get to that point.
/r/PurplePillDebate18/04/24 02:31 AM
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No I’m happily a bachelor. I’m sure it could be avoided with wealth.
/r/PurplePillDebate18/04/24 02:27 AM
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The way relationships work today is the woman are dominant over the men, and sexless marriages are very common. Most women have had sex just to appease. It’s gross.
/r/PurplePillDebate18/04/24 02:20 AM
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I don’t think that’s very common. Most women use sex as a form of control and manipulation. They need that tool in their tool kit to manage their man. That’s how they see it.
/r/PurplePillDebate18/04/24 02:05 AM
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I used to have those desires but it’s not possible with women today. I don’t know if I will ever want to live with a woman again after my ex. You are taking your peace for granted.
/r/PurplePillDebate18/04/24 01:41 AM
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Wasn’t a plan, just an observation.
/r/PurplePillDebate18/04/24 01:12 AM
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If women do think this they apparently aren’t that smart.
/r/PurplePillDebate18/04/24 01:10 AM
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The only relationships I see around me are ones where women are dominant and men are submissive. That’s gonna be repulsive to some men, like me.
/r/PurplePillDebate18/04/24 12:49 AM
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In my experience the fastest way to make a woman disappear is to say you won’t have sex right away. This frightens and confuses them because woman are socialized to think men are the dumber and hornier sex.
/r/PurplePillDebate18/04/24 12:42 AM
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I’m 35 and have had like 16 partners. I feel like I got to have a lot of fun compared to the guys in their 20’s today, and I dodged children, and now I’m free to live as a bachelor, it feels great for me.
/r/PurplePillDebate18/04/24 12:05 AM
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Are you trying to subtly roast me for being single? I like being single these days. I’ve had my share of sex before this culture went bad. I’ll take that as a win.
/r/PurplePillDebate17/04/24 11:55 PM
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I think it’s true and also awesome men are staying single.. Modern relationships are repulsive. Effeminate men being dominated by masculine women. 🤢
/r/PurplePillDebate17/04/24 11:51 PM
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Got any more digs, I like it when true colors surface.
/r/PurplePillDebate17/04/24 11:49 PM
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I feel bad for him, a man with a man-hater wife is cringe. A majority of marriages are sexless, probably because manly women are beating their husbands into a submissive position. A man needs to stay single today for his own self preservation.
/r/PurplePillDebate17/04/24 11:34 PM
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From your posts I would be surprised if you wanted a man.
/r/PurplePillDebate17/04/24 11:22 PM
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That’s awesome that us men are such disappointments to you & your friends. That warms my heart. Do your little 4B. Won’t affect me at all.
/r/PurplePillDebate17/04/24 11:19 PM
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I haven’t had sex since the ruthaford b hayes administration
/r/PurplePillDebate16/04/24 06:55 PM
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If men truly understood marriage they would never get married.
/r/PurplePillDebate16/04/24 02:46 PM
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Don’t bother ese. I don’t need to approach women.
/r/PurplePillDebate16/04/24 02:10 PM
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I don’t need to do emotional labor. Emotional labor is for pussies.
/r/PurplePillDebate16/04/24 02:04 PM
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You know in 2004 emo girls would put eyeliner on you. Now women say “be in your masculine”. What happened? I’m like sexist emo. Go back to putting on my eyeliner. We used to be a society.
/r/PurplePillDebate16/04/24 01:25 PM
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I know things are different today because in 2003 girls would do your eyeliner for you. Now suddenly they why conservative provider type men back. Total about face.
/r/PurplePillDebate16/04/24 01:01 PM
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It’s a lie to sell marriage to men and hallmark cards.
/r/PurplePillDebate16/04/24 12:00 PM
3

I think having a larger, thicker member and being good looking must help women orgasm from PIV because almost all of my partners climaxed during piv sex. In fact it’s my favorite thing because the contractions feel amazing on your dick.
/r/PurplePillDebate16/04/24 11:58 AM
You can kill a man, but you can't kill an idea.

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