Hruon17 Archive

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2	In the future equality and double standards against men won't mix well together. And will create a society where people will still constantly complain about how men act or behave, even when those men aren't doing anything bad. I'll be honest... English is not my first language, so you may have made it super clear but I have just missed it anyway, so sorry in case that happened xD	/r/LeftWingMaleAdvocates	07/07/24 10:39 PM
6	In the future equality and double standards against men won't mix well together. And will create a society where people will still constantly complain about how men act or behave, even when those men aren't doing anything bad. I don't think you are necessarily wrong here, and I mostly agree with your post overall, but I'm playing a bit here into your point about the double binds, double standards, or whatever you want to call them. Let me try to make my point more obvious by insisting a bit on this example regarding objectification, and why I think there is also a double bind/standard at play in your assessment of this "objectivication" itself (or at least the way you presented it), that you may not have been aware of…	/r/LeftWingMaleAdvocates	07/07/24 09:48 PM
9	In the future equality and double standards against men won't mix well together. And will create a society where people will still constantly complain about how men act or behave, even when those men aren't doing anything bad. I was taught that I should treat women like normal human beings, not objects, you know equality right. But at the same time I was also punished for the doing something kind society wanted me to do. My sin was not putting this girl on a pedestal. So in return I was perceived as an asshole who didn't lived up to a particular standard that was expected of men. Hot take (although probably not that hot of a take, actually): this is one of the ways in which (some) women objectify men. You are not a pe…	/r/LeftWingMaleAdvocates	07/07/24 08:25 PM
7	Men, Intimacy & The "Right to Sex" - Between The Scenes \| The Daily Show I don't really like when people joke about it saying things like "oh, look straight men are so homophobic, but give them 3 beers and they look like they're about to f**k each other right here right now". Because I think there is much more to this kind of behavior, than some repressed homoerotic urges. Only somewhat related: I really hate it when the same person saying that "men should stop being so homophobic and be more intimate with one another, without thinking that that will make them less m…	/r/LeftWingMaleAdvocates	20/10/22 09:38 PM
4	Men, Intimacy & The "Right to Sex" - Between The Scenes \| The Daily Show If that was the case the simple solution would be to hire a hooker. That's probably not the case but let's... mmm... yeah, let's try to make that as taboo and as illegal as possible, just in case (some "feminist", probably)	/r/LeftWingMaleAdvocates	20/10/22 09:21 PM
16	An interesting deleted comment from menslib and a reflection as to why language matters. It also speaks a bunch about feminist hypocrisy, were women will complain that men are only interested in their looks and not who they are [...] Spoken like the members of the privileged sex that can simply not approach and do nothing except wait and judge the candidates, and have them show everything they have and are, while exposing nothing of themselves unless/until they so desire. Not saying every woman does this, or is even able to do this "unpunished" (in terms of dating)... Let's not gene…	/r/LeftWingMaleAdvocates	11/08/22 08:49 PM
3	Women currently make up ~28% of the US Congress. Do you think things would be better if their representation were more proportional to population? She said that's not the point; that the same decision would've been less bitter if it had at least been made by women. Personally, I feel the opposite in this sort of situations (I'm a man, so not in this case...). For me, it feels significantly more bitter when people who (at least theoretically) have a greater understanding of problems that affect me make a decision that I consider detrimental to that cause.	/r/LeftWingMaleAdvocates	16/07/22 12:08 PM
3	I think we are handling the topic of suicide horribly. My question is why do we care that men commit suicide in such high numbers? I can't belive you just decided to ask such a question (and in this sub no less). Do you realize what this looks like? And why is the go to response to minimize women who are suicidal? You mean to minimize men who commit suicide, right? Because, as you yourself said in your post: [pointing out that men commit suicide far more often than women] is invariably countered by the statistic that women attempt suicide more often…	/r/LeftWingMaleAdvocates	14/07/22 09:18 AM
2	The Consent Model of Pregnancy would resist legal challenges better than Roe v. Wade. It would also give men equal rights to paternal surrender. It remains controversial among pro-choice proponents specifically because it would give men equal rights, a double standard that is now backfiring on women Not the person you replied to, but: I use drunk driving as an example because the actual chance of being in an accident while drunk driving is not very high. We suffer 1.34 deaths per 100 million miles driven to motor vehicle crashes. Last statistic was 0.31 of those deaths are related to driving impaired. It's vanishingly rare. Please realize that here you are talking about the proportion of people (not quite, because you are not talking about proportions of people exaclty, but more or less) th…	/r/LeftWingMaleAdvocates	12/07/22 10:16 AM
4	''Men are ruggedly individualistic, women are socially-minded'', what is your take on this talking point from feminists and using it as some sort of cop out and shift the blame back on men for their lack of social advoacy? I think an analysis of that paper was done in this very subreddit too, pointing out that, for at least some of those shipwrecks for which this information was available, many women and children died not because they were not prioritized, but precisely because they were "put to safety into a boat first", only to have the corresponding boats sink after the sinking ship collided with them, or some other misfortune. There was a lot to be said about that paper...	/r/LeftWingMaleAdvocates	21/06/22 05:46 AM
59	''Men are ruggedly individualistic, women are socially-minded'', what is your take on this talking point from feminists and using it as some sort of cop out and shift the blame back on men for their lack of social advoacy? You mean to say that a system "build by men, for men", doesn't work for men, because men are individualistic? What is this? First ever contradiction by feminists? I can't believe it! (/s) For other interesting contradictions, see also: "men act as if they are entitled to women's bodies and violence against women is normalized" + "the message that 'you should never hit a girl/woman' is widespread because of misogyny and benevolent sexism, as they are considered weaker" "women and children first i…	/r/LeftWingMaleAdvocates	20/06/22 06:53 AM
1	Gender experts finally admit the obvious: "toxic masculinity" is harmful language Not with the genders flipped at least xD	/r/LeftWingMaleAdvocates	16/06/22 07:33 PM
24	Gender experts finally admit the obvious: "toxic masculinity" is harmful language I kind of see your point, but with regards to the article the OP shared, it feels to me like moving from "she got raped because she was dressing like a prostitute" to "slut-shaming and victim-blaming (female) rape victims is bad and should never be done, so instead of doing that let's define a dress code that women can aspire to in order to not look so rapable!" Somewhat of an improvement, in a way, if you assume people saying things like that don't realize what they are implying, but also... te…	/r/LeftWingMaleAdvocates	13/06/22 11:04 PM
29	Why men commit more violent crime Slightly off-topic (in terms of what you adress specifically), but: Men commiting more violent crime is something I've heard a lot from feminists. It's a common comeback if you raise concerns about male victims, that it's just men attacking other men. I also hear this comeback a lot when the higher numbers for male victimization (in almost all categories of violence, but not all) are brought up. Which is interesting, because they don't deny the numbers, but resort to this sort of reply that... s…	/r/LeftWingMaleAdvocates	13/06/22 08:40 PM
125	Gender experts finally admit the obvious: "toxic masculinity" is harmful language While I guess it's better than nothing, the whole article is full of implications about boys and men that are not (or do not seem to be) present when talking about girls and women. Terms like "toxic masculinity" are harmful for (one would wish...) obvious reasons. But "aspirational masculinity" is not really that much better. Imagine talking about "aspirational femininity": the existence of such a term, itself, implies (1) negative connotations to "feminity" (without any adjectives), and (2) tha…	/r/LeftWingMaleAdvocates	13/06/22 08:21 PM
2	Germany: Woman sentenced after sabotaging partner's condoms [...] celebrating a women being sentenced for coercing a man into reproduction [...] This is a weirdly gynocentric way of looking at this, which I've noticed quite a bit lately in most genger/equality-focused discussions (not saying this is how you personally look at it), and I find that a bit problematic... Do people "celebrate being able to kill fetuses without going to prison anymore", when women in countries without abortion rights get them? Or do they celebrate women getting the right to ch…	/r/LeftWingMaleAdvocates	06/05/22 11:28 PM
3	Ukrainian crisis: people don't even pretend anymore that man's life has the same value as women's life It's like they see a man being murdered by a man as more akin to suicide than homicide I don't think so. They seem to care a lot about suicides, and suicide attempts. Mostly/specially when it affects women. But still, I doubt the kind of people giving this sort of response cares about men-on-men violence (or male victims of violence in general) even a fraction of how much (most) feminists care (or claim to care) about suicide/suicide attempts (of women, at the very least)	/r/LeftWingMaleAdvocates	14/04/22 09:35 AM
3	Quicksand of Memory by Michael J Malone: A new book about violence, its causes, how to overcome it and misandrist blickers society has surunded it with Your welcome, and thank you for letting me clarify, since I didn't explain myself properly the first time.	/r/LeftWingMaleAdvocates	13/04/22 03:20 PM
6	Quicksand of Memory by Michael J Malone: A new book about violence, its causes, how to overcome it and misandrist blickers society has surunded it with I don't mean to say that he thinks abusive behaviour is inherent to the male psyche, but that the definition of toxic masculinity (according to him, and to many people out there even if they won't acknoledge it) refers to a busive behaviour as a part of (not necessarily exclusive to, though, but that's another point entirely) maleness. It's pretty clear from the article that he's questioning the term and its usefulness, which makes sense given the definition he presents. I think that's a good th…	/r/LeftWingMaleAdvocates	13/04/22 11:24 AM
9	Quicksand of Memory by Michael J Malone: A new book about violence, its causes, how to overcome it and misandrist blickers society has surunded it with toxic masculinity. A term that originated in the 1980s as a way to describe that part of the male psyche that is abusive Oh, I see... So finally the cat is out of the bag, mm? So it's not a product of socialization or anything like that, but something inherent to maleness? It's interesting how some people's views can be seen so clearly when you focus on the parts of the text they were probably not so careful about, because you were supposed to focus on the other paragraphs...	/r/LeftWingMaleAdvocates	13/04/22 09:28 AM
5	Frustrations with the Depp/Heard trial A woman that he knew took time to ask him why he was leaving and tried to comfort him by telling him that "he can cry". While he appreciates what she was attempting to do, he wished that she said something more appropriate or even offered to dance with him I think there is something more here that most people are missing. While she didn't explicitly said so, from his perspective being told "you can cry" also implies that whatever he was doing (or not doing) was, in her opinion, not the correct a…	/r/LeftWingMaleAdvocates	13/04/22 09:10 AM
3	The different steps of misandrist ideology and the next one to watch out for. Gender neutrality Women feel entitled to men's money. Yet, I only ever see you being worried about men's entitlement and not so much about women's entitlement why is that? (This argument won't work so well on converts of step 2, they'll just start talking about the wage gap). I think this is a particularly bad take in this instance. Why not point out all the "where have all the good men gone?" articles and the retoric around this, instead? Why not point out all of the instances where men's conse…	/r/LeftWingMaleAdvocates	22/03/22 12:43 PM
3	Looking for honest discussion to understand this sub I will say that a lot of the "just treat women like people" advice really fell flat for me, as someone who had a lot of female friends growing up. It just sounds condescending. And not just condescending. It heavily implies that you (or men in general) are not, and have never previously tried, treating women like people.	/r/LeftWingMaleAdvocates	16/03/22 02:31 PM
12	"We have no objection to the genuinely egalitarian aspects of feminism, but we will criticize feminist ideology wherever it is inegalitarian and/or untruthful, especially now that it holds institutional power." Why are feminists hyper-fixating on tyrannical men and not the women behind them Because behind every great man there is a great (greater, even) woman. And behind every great woman there is also another great woman. But behind even just a single bad man? Oh, no way! Well, maybe there was a woman, to... A great woman, no doubt, but what could she do? She's just a helpless woman, right? (/s, in case it wasn't obvious)	/r/LeftWingMaleAdvocates	09/03/22 10:17 PM
20	"We have no objection to the genuinely egalitarian aspects of feminism, but we will criticize feminist ideology wherever it is inegalitarian and/or untruthful, especially now that it holds institutional power." Led by an old white man Out of curiosity... What is this supposed to imply, exactly?	/r/LeftWingMaleAdvocates	09/03/22 10:08 PM
3	A friend of mine has a rape accusation in a foreign country and he doesn't know how to deal with it. I am concerned with Spain specifically because unless you can disprove an accusation within a certain timeframe, any accused man will be declared guilty by default. This is not entirely correct. In Spain, a man accused by a woman may be held under arrest until the alleged crime is judged and he's not found guilty of it. Which can be quite a bit of time, nonetheless, but the burden of proof is not inverted (not yet, at least... In the future, who knows...). On the other hand, the woman can benefi…	/r/LeftWingMaleAdvocates	26/01/21 10:29 AM
2	Now this is the kind of dialogue we need. It supports my theory that trans people should be the most natural advocates of true equality because they've seen both sides the debate about the law is still going on It is. On the left side, the debate is mostly focused on: Including other demographics as victims. More specifically, and although not stated like this for obvious reasons, to include all demographics except cis- or heterosexual male victims of female perpetrators. This was attempted by the party 'Podemos' a few years ago (I don't remember exactly when). The proposal was rejected mainly because one of the elements of the proposed law/modification of the…	/r/LeftWingMaleAdvocates	29/04/20 02:27 PM
5	Sexual harassment isn’t just about men. Women should review their behavior too, says this female CEO This isn't about "oh no poor me as a man I have to ask a girl I'd they like me oh no women should too" You seem to imply that I was "playing the victim card". You even seem offended that I suggested one of the biggest problems in the current system of stablishing relationships is that it puts the burden of initiation on men, as if women had no agency. This in turn can lead to women feeling harassed because (susprise!) they are approached by men they may not like! (find creepy). So I suggest that…	/r/MensRights	26/12/17 06:21 PM
3	Verifiable Facts About Male Privilege in Canada Sorry, I edited my previous message (the one you answered to) with this: EDIT: when I say "not exclusively a class issue" I mean they are first gender issues, since once the inequality between the genders is solved one of them (women's legal privileges in detriment of fathers' rights) disappear, while the other (suicide rates) may disappear or become, as you pointed out, a class issue (that should, then, affect both genders similarly). But anyway, I think we more or less agree on this XD	/r/MensRights	26/12/17 12:13 PM
3	Verifiable Facts About Male Privilege in Canada Farthers rights groups are full of working and middle class men, because they cannot afford to take on womens legal privilege. Agreed, but if you accept "women's legal privilege" then this is not just a class issue. Fathers having to fight for their rights is not an issue that comes from their class. It's because they are men that they are put at a disadvantage when compard to women in this case. Not because they are "upper class" men. Of course if they are rich enough they will not have that mu…	/r/MensRights	26/12/17 11:59 AM
17	Sexual harassment isn’t just about men. Women should review their behavior too, says this female CEO What do you do when it's an expectable occurrence, simply because you're female and out in public, that you're going to get "hit on by people, in at best uncomfortable ways, and at worst in very threatening ways? (Ignoring the over-dramatic "at best" scenario) You invite everyone to reconsider this occurrence as an expectable one by telling women to hit on men they are interested in, instead of waiting to be hit on by other people, so that men stop feeling that they should always initiate. And o…	/r/MensRights	26/12/17 10:39 AM
1	Feminists: Women groping is NOT sexual assault since Men have all the power (the logic of infantilism) what about a real-world example of feminism putting a motion in place that provides an advantage to women while removing rights of men I didn't ever say they did. I said they don't fight for men's rights, which is (generally) not the same as fighting against men's rights. But we could argue that things like "affirmative action" being considered OK if it benefits women and not-OK otherwise (https://www.thelocal.se/20100112/24330), while not being openly condemned by "feminism" in the first case "…	/r/MensRights	10/12/17 09:26 AM
1	Feminists: Women groping is NOT sexual assault since Men have all the power (the logic of infantilism) (Not the persona that answered you before) Well, I don't think calling anyone an idiot is appropriate for any discussion, so I won't defend that. So I'll just focus on the definition of feminism taht he mentioned and your answer. the advocacy of women's rights on the basis of the equality of the sexes. Ok, this seems ok. They advocate for women's rights, but not men rights. It only wants to achieve equality for women by getting them to have rights that they don't have, but men do (in theory, at …	/r/MensRights	09/12/17 11:41 PM
1	This is very common in the human services field. Women are allowed to work with male clients, but men aren't allowed female clients. This double standard would never fly if it was the other way around. Absolutely. I'm just saying the the chosen name doesn't seem very fortunate...	/r/MensRights	06/12/17 12:11 AM
1	This is very common in the human services field. Women are allowed to work with male clients, but men aren't allowed female clients. This double standard would never fly if it was the other way around. Everything you described is terrible, but on the other hand the very idea of "patriarchy" in the link you provided seems to be too much like "an abstract conglomerate of everything bad that we don't like about men", which is not and doesn't resemble at all the definition in the dictionary. Given that under "patriarchy" visible leaders are supposed to be male, the very fact that the word "patriarchy" is used as "an abstract conglomerate of everything bad that we don't like about men" seems to sug…	/r/MensRights	05/12/17 10:13 PM
1	This is very common in the human services field. Women are allowed to work with male clients, but men aren't allowed female clients. This double standard would never fly if it was the other way around. I think that if women in a program were made to be more anxious and uncomfortable by the presence of male employees that their feelings are valid and largely rooted in the reality of being a woman. Sorry, it was not my intent to suggest that any of their feelings are invalid at all. I assume this is more an answer to my provious post rather than this, and specifically to: I could understand, however, if this was about the women being treated havind some sort of trauma with men, but only to an ex…	/r/MensRights	05/12/17 10:00 PM
3	This is very common in the human services field. Women are allowed to work with male clients, but men aren't allowed female clients. This double standard would never fly if it was the other way around. violence is more often man on woman What kind of violence exactly? How much more common? I agree that cases of women dying at the hands of men is much more common than the other way around. But I'm not sure that violence as a whole is much more often man on woman than the other way around (but, again, severity tends to be very different from one scenario to the other, at least when it comes to immediate physical harm, when violence happes, which is not something I would ever deny). the high rate…	/r/MensRights	05/12/17 04:26 PM
1	Indian woman pours hot oil on husband’s private parts. She was not arrested. he Did you just assume my gender? (Joking, I'm a guy)	/r/MensRights	05/12/17 03:18 PM
3	This is very common in the human services field. Women are allowed to work with male clients, but men aren't allowed female clients. This double standard would never fly if it was the other way around. They could just thoroughly evaluate the candidates to see if they can "turn out to be a predator", instead of directly discriminating against a whole gender. Imagine if they started not employing women at schools because of all these news about female teachers having "sexual affairs" or "sleeping with" children/underage students. There would be an uproar. I could understand, however, if this was about the women being treated havind some sort of trauma with men, but only to an extent. As fartmitt…	/r/MensRights	05/12/17 01:04 PM
3	Indian woman pours hot oil on husband’s private parts. She was not arrested. Generally speaking, women people are the ones that need their rights to be defended in India. FTFY I however agree with you in that this is a complicated enough issue that it is not exclusively a men's right issue (we could only accept it being an almost exclusively woman's right issue assuming men as a whole get away with abusing women as you said a a disproportionally higher rate than that at which women get away with abusing men, or an almost exclusively men's right issue if the opposite was …	/r/MensRights	05/12/17 12:49 PM
4	Indian woman pours hot oil on husband’s private parts. She was not arrested. But they do stop it from being a men's rights issue. They stop it from being exclusively a men's rights issue it's at the very least a human rights issue Agreed possibly even a woman's rights issue. No. By your very same logic (since you seem to equate "men's rights issue" with "exclusively men's rights issue" and "woman's rights issue" with "exclusively women's right issue"), if women get away with abusing men with no consequences, that stops it (men getting away with abusing women with no cons…	/r/MensRights	05/12/17 12:42 PM
2	Women upset because they are temporarily banned from FaceBook for calling men 'scum'. if he can't handle you at your worst he doesn't deserve you at your best I always understood this as "if you can't love someone and support them when they are not being very nice to you because of specific personal reasons (not just because they are like that from time to time without substantial reason), and if you are unable to deal with each other's differences, then you don't deserve to get the best out of that person", in the sense that this would imply you don't love that person, but only …	/r/MensRights	05/12/17 12:31 PM
1	Deadpool Testicular Cancer video Just thought that this was cool it's totally within character for Deadpool It is. I think what people are arguing here (a bit too strongly IMO) is that the general tone of the message is too 'funny' or 'entertaining-like' for this matter, not for the character talking about it. I guess they would expect/want someone other than Deadpool delivering the message in a more serious tone.	/r/MensRights	28/11/17 08:24 AM
1	Australian research 'has a Daversity problem' \| In male-dominated industries, men work mostly with other men. Duh! And #MeToo will only make this worse. Well, I don't think applying this same logic is 'healthy' (for a lack of a better word that I could think of) to every single aspect of your life when considering relationships with the opposite sex, but everyone's choices should be respected as long as the don't harm others so... Yeah, it's a pity people choose to shame other's choices instead of respecting them, even if they disagree (I can't say for sure that I fully understand the position of MGTOW, so I'm not referring to them in particular…	/r/MensRights	27/11/17 11:08 PM
1	Deadpool Testicular Cancer video Just thought that this was cool Absolutely! I just meant that, if you (a 'gerenal' you, not you specifically) want to hypothesize that men's issues are seen as a joke, you could as well hypothesize that women are seen as unable to take jokes EDIT: Ok I read "Can confirm woman can take jokes". I think women can take jokes, but probably/generally not so much when it comes to health issues. So I agree to an extent, but not as an "absolute truth" (but I'm sure you were not trying to provide an "absolute truth", so... XD)	/r/MensRights	27/11/17 11:01 PM
2	Deadpool Testicular Cancer video Just thought that this was cool Yeah, ok, but It’s as if men’s issues are a joke, but women’s issues should be taken more seriously Can ONLY be interpreted as something negative for men, while men can take a joke and get the important message, but women cannot do that seems to have an arguably bad connotation regarding the attitude of women, but not men (while not necessarily dismissing your previous message) Men can take war, but women cannot This has bad connotations for both sexes (men are not affected as much by war; women…	/r/MensRights	27/11/17 11:58 AM
6	Deadpool Testicular Cancer video Just thought that this was cool Well, I see what you mean but on the other hand couldn't it be that "men can take a joke and get the important message, but women cannot do that"? Just saying another possibility...	/r/MensRights	27/11/17 11:02 AM
3	Seeing their man upset makes women happy - because it 'shows their relationship is strong' Thanks for this post. I honestly feel the article brings an interesting question. Why do women feel happier when they can spot if their man is unhappy? Does this mean that men generally avoid making this known even with their partners? And if so, why? I remember an article mentioning how men tend to confide more and speak about their feelings with other men because they "feel judged" by female close friends/girlfriends to a greater extent than with male close friends, but I haven't seen a lot of…	/r/MensRights	26/11/17 05:56 PM
1	Australian research 'has a Daversity problem' \| In male-dominated industries, men work mostly with other men. Duh! And #MeToo will only make this worse. I completely agree	/r/MensRights	26/11/17 09:53 AM
2	Australian research 'has a Daversity problem' \| In male-dominated industries, men work mostly with other men. Duh! And #MeToo will only make this worse. If you’re incapable of respecting people’s personal boundaries or knowing what they are in a professional environment, maybe you SHOULD just avoid them But isn't this the reason they are avoiding women (more or less depending on the situation)? Partially also because the definition of "personal boundaries" is such an ambiguous term and changes so much from person A to person B (and even change if person A is interacting with person D or E)... There is also the fact that the meaning of "sexual ha…	/r/MensRights	25/11/17 11:39 PM
4	I forgot that men cannot feel basic human emotions. He’s pointing out the positives of the ultra-sensitive female emotion center, which can be beautiful when it’s not being used in an extreme form He's saying "there are these things that women have that men just can't grasp". That is: men don't have any of these qualities. If anyone here said men have just one single thing that women cannot even grasp, they would be instantly called a misogynist. Even if you don't consider his answer to be "discrimination", it is. He just established a distinctio…	/r/MensRights	23/11/17 06:11 PM
2	Brought up a different point of view... I am now muted and banned from them. presentation of relevant data must notbiased against the feminist position Interestingly enough, relevant data may go against the feminist position while not being biased, but I guess a biased feminist (or whatever label corresponds in each case; now feminist) may perceive non-biased data against feminism as biased. Mmm...	/r/MensRights	19/11/17 10:59 PM
6	Thought this was a nice graphic to highlight the inequality men face everyday. So happy #internationalmensday Among those who were between 10 and 29 years old when they commited suicide, 77% were male, and among those who were between 30 and 44 years old when they commited suicide, 78% were male.	/r/MensRights	19/11/17 08:03 PM
3	If you need more proof of her hypocrisy, arch-feminist Lena “women never lie about rape” Dunham just accused a woman of lying about being raped by one of her writers. I don't have/remember the source at the moment but I'm pretty sure if you combine 'men victims of rape' and 'men forced to penetrate' then the proportion of 'women victims of rape' and 'men victims of rape+forced to penetrate' get quite close to each other. Not 50/50, maybe 60/40, but surely not 90/10. So it may not be a "men's rights issue" but it would not be a "gendered issue" if both are happening. What IS a "men's rights issue" for sure is the fact that rape and sexual assault are treated a…	/r/MensRights	18/11/17 01:55 PM
2	After talking with a mod of r/hatesubsinaction they have changed men’s rights activists to anti-feminist and included TERFs in their quick list of hate movements. It’s definitely a step in the right direction for them. Out of curiosity, would you say the same if the genders swapped? Like... You know, women are on the frontlines dying to be able to vote, while men don't, but it's ok because men also suffer from it as well and there is no need to change this? (EDIT: forgot a word)	/r/MensRights	15/11/17 02:42 PM