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More power to you I guess, but most strangers aren’t willing to do that kinky of stuff. Every LTR I’ve been in that’s when the experimental stuff happened.
/r/PurplePillDebate23/05/23 12:31 AM
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Obviously the only right answer is long term relationship. Not even bc of the “blah blah pair bonding slut blah blah” bs. It’s bc you only get good at sex in long term relationships when you are comfortable enough with each other to try whatever. Better that than a woman who has never tried anything bc she’s never been with anyone long enough.
/r/PurplePillDebate22/05/23 01:29 AM
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Probably two things that cause this: 1)those men are far more socially adept and are much better at being charming when interacting with women in public. Having the husband checklist stuff of career/money is all well and good, but it is more long term stuff. Short term ability to attract women is far more dependent on social skills. 2)the women they go after might be “blue collar” women who aren’t expecting to find a rich husband. Maybe they’re a little trashier than the women who have careers a…
/r/PurplePillDebate21/05/23 06:30 PM
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I’ll be honest I wouldn’t want to date someone with a serious treated illness that there’s a risk of them going off their meds either. It’s no judgment but it’s a lot of extra in a relationship
/r/PurplePillDebate11/05/23 08:18 PM
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That’s silly. It’s ok to break up with anyone for any reason at all. You might be a jerk depending on circumstances, but the only thing that’s not ok is forcing someone to be with you if they don’t want to. Do you then force them to have sex with you? Bc we know what that is…..
/r/PurplePillDebate18/03/23 08:21 PM
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If she’s on meth she is NOT hot in any way I would like
/r/PurplePillDebate08/03/23 08:26 PM
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I agree that just about everything RPers complain about is an exaggeration, and that “women losing attraction to men who show emotion” isn’t the rampant issue some make it out to be. But go tell that to the dude who has had it happen to them. Say “it doesn’t happen often” or “she just wasn’t a good person” and see how much that makes them feel better lol. The bigger argument is that lack of being able to fairly criticize women has turned these types into angry little bridge trolls hating on wome…
/r/PurplePillDebate09/02/23 01:30 AM
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Holy shit this is like an exact copy of what RP types post about hardcore feminism. Conclusion: y’all are the same fucking thing lol
/r/PurplePillDebate06/02/23 07:29 PM
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Who said they need to change their standards? I said if the guy says he won’t date under a 9, and then says women need to lower their standards when he won’t lower his it’s ridiculous. Other than that it’s not. When I said OPs statement is only true if the guy is refusing to date women who are willing to date him, that mean guys who complain that women should lower their standards and only them.
/r/PurplePillDebate01/02/23 05:50 PM
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This is true if the guy is refusing to date women he is able to get. But if he just can’t get any women it’s not really a ridiculous point. This also hinges a lot on the whole 80/20 thing. If this is bc only 20% of men meet the standards women have, and if the other 80% worked on self improvement then they could get women, then yeah they shouldn’t complain about womens standards. If women will only ever like the top 20% of men regardless of what they’re like (I don’t think this is true but I’m j…
/r/PurplePillDebate01/02/23 04:59 PM
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True, I’m just saying it’s like if you want to learn to be a QB, who do you think is better to get advice from, a QB who has been successful at the position, or a WR who will tell you where they want the ball thrown? Sure you could get some useful tips from the WR, but only the other QB really knows what it’s like to be a QB.
/r/PurplePillDebate27/01/23 07:45 PM
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Who tf has said “I want to marry a virgin woman like my grandpa did?” Never once had that convo with any of my friends, and never once heard another man say that. Had many convos about someone wanting a girl to put out, or trying to get laid, but the only virgin talks I ever heard were why mom virgins are less clingy and better. Also any fool thinking a single mother situation is better for a kid, I can tell you as a guy from a single mother, not fully absentee father tho, household that you hav…
/r/PurplePillDebate25/01/23 12:02 PM
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For a line in 40 year old virgin, it was super accurate and a great way to simplify why some guys can’t get women. Almost every guy has done it at some point, and we all learn that it doesn’t work, just many men don’t seem to learn the lesson properly and spiral out into incel madness.
/r/PurplePillDebate24/01/23 03:33 PM
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Yeah it’s shallow but so what? My heart hates ugos, and I accept that it makes me shallow to be that way, but it is what it is.
/r/PurplePillDebate24/01/23 03:17 PM
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Look I’m not going to defend the dudes who cry about women being only into bad guys, the nice guys finish last types. But yeah listening to women about how to get women is stupid, unless she is a lesbian, but even then that’s not as applicable as listening to men. Men are the ones who actively pick up women, and subsequently are the experts at what works and doesn’t from a male perspective. Hearing a woman say “I want a guy who ___” is meaningless bc if you’re not that you have to change who you…
/r/PurplePillDebate24/01/23 02:36 PM
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Nothing you said is the same thing as as secret cabal of ppl actively working to jail ppl who say things they don’t like. Why does that need to be explained to you?
/r/PurplePillDebate23/01/23 09:06 PM
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Bro I’m not reading anything after you typed “the deep state” ffs….go get some help
/r/PurplePillDebate23/01/23 12:54 PM
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I think you’re way off base if you’re saying Andrew rate understands most men. He’s a con man. What he understands is that there’s a market for ppl appearing to lonely guys who society seems to not care about at all. He doesn’t want to improve things for anyone other than himself. He makes his money trying to sell living vicariously through him. If his followers all achieved what he says they should, no one would have reason to follow him. He does what all con men do, sells a false promise. Take…
/r/PurplePillDebate22/01/23 03:16 AM
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Hot take: women want from it girlfriend tech asap bc it will make undesirable men leave women alone, and those of us who already can get attention from women will always prefer the real thing over a robot bc shit isn’t worth having if it’s gotten without effort. Hell isn’t that the standard RPer argument for why they call some women sluts: bc they don’t have to work for sex so it’s gluttony not impressive?
/r/PurplePillDebate02/01/23 04:49 AM
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Personality would be 1)shared interests: while it’s cool to let each other do your own thing, or even to take turns picking what to watch, if you don’t have things you both are interested in that you’re happy when you can talk about it that can make things feel like too much effort. Like one side is always having to tough it out for the others sake. 2)alignment of desired time together/apart: if two ppl are happy spending every moment together nothing is wrong with that. If two ppl are happy spe…
/r/PurplePillDebate25/12/22 02:27 PM
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If those stats are accurate that’s insane. In the US it’s about 14 per 1000 and it’s been going down for awhile now.
/r/PurplePillDebate25/12/22 02:15 PM
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I don’t see what men victimizing other men more has to do with this. The only relevant pieces of information is how often men victimize women, and how much using concern or caution as the guiding principle when dealing with men lowers the risk of being victimized. For example on first dates when women would ask for my fb or a pic or say they wanted to give my info to their friends in case they were in danger, it always annoyed me bc I never attacked a woman, but I always agreed bc it had nothing…
/r/PurplePillDebate24/12/22 09:02 PM
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Haha that’s actually a legit point. I still don’t agree that it’s ok to put someone out there for revenge if you just had a not great date or got ghosted. Feels like a revenge porn loophole where it’s ok if it’s not a naked pic of them. But fair enough, if you’re putting your name and pic on a dating website you’re maybe agreeing to a level of visibility of that information if it’s not last names or addresses.
/r/PurplePillDebate24/12/22 02:38 PM
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You’re saying you’re ok if someone is posting your name and face on the internet to a bunch of strangers? Sure sure.
/r/PurplePillDebate24/12/22 02:29 PM
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Lol yup
/r/PurplePillDebate24/12/22 01:39 PM
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Yeah after two comments from this animorph person I’m seeing their word is not to be taken seriously
/r/PurplePillDebate24/12/22 01:38 PM
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If you say so. I guess I should trust your word as a stranger more than ops word as a stranger, and all the other ppl who commented they’ve seen the same thing….except you can’t spell trivialize, and you accuse me of something I haven’t done….so yeah 1000% never gonna take your word for anything. Nice try tho
/r/PurplePillDebate24/12/22 01:35 PM
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Well then fuck them, they’re pieces of shit for doing that. But it’s not a contest or a game of tit for tat. It’s pathetic and creepy to post someone’s name and face on the internet bc you don’t like their profile, or bc your date didn’t work out.
/r/PurplePillDebate24/12/22 06:49 AM
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Do they post names and faces?
/r/PurplePillDebate24/12/22 05:46 AM
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Good lord stop with the “I called you triggered first to hide that that’s how I’m feeling” game. It’s played out and obvious guy. Don’t be pathetic
/r/PurplePillDebate24/12/22 05:39 AM
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Really? Can you name 3 examples? Can you link even one?
/r/PurplePillDebate24/12/22 05:36 AM
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Haha what? Men and women post men and womens profiles to be mocked on Reddit. And I’m struggling to think of many examples where the name/photo are included. I’ve seen more photos of the guys than the women, and almost always both sides censor the name.
/r/PurplePillDebate24/12/22 05:34 AM
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Yeah 100% that’s worse, but that’s not making the point you think it is. Do we say beating someone to a pulp is ok bc some ppl murder others?
/r/PurplePillDebate24/12/22 05:32 AM
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I got no beef with men or women having a group where they shit talk bad dates. It’s the posting pics and names shit that’s absurdly over the line. You wouldn’t want a group of dudes posting your pic and name on the internet for all to see and potentially have some bad intent if they match with you bc of it. And if someone is complaining about a date and trying to ruin their chances with other ppl they’re just super pathetic. I would never cock block a girl I went on a date with, or any guy who w…
/r/PurplePillDebate24/12/22 05:31 AM
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Real spiders
/r/PurplePillDebate23/12/22 07:39 PM
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Haha Jesus Christ talking to you is a chore. I say something, and then you respond as if I said something different. That’s what I mean by emotional problems. You seem to seek arguments about things someone didn’t say. It’s not healthy. You can pity whoever you want, tho it’s prob a waste of your time and emotional energy that you don’t seem to have. You seem to think you know what I’m saying better than I do, which is very strange. I’m not going to defend points I didn’t make. I never mentioned…
/r/PurplePillDebate23/12/22 02:46 AM
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I genuinely don’t care about your relationship. Plenty of things men do that are considered bad by women are done out of lack of awareness, and I’m not making a value judgment about either group. Nor was anything I said a complaint ffs. I said women who think it’s only about them suck (and I said guys who think that suck too) which clearly wouldn’t count women who just don’t know. Again, OP asked what women should know and I answered that. It was actually useful information for women who don’t k…
/r/PurplePillDebate23/12/22 02:12 AM
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What? I’m not sure what post you’re responding to lmao. Do you just lay there and that’s why you’re taking what I said personally? This is like if I said guys who don’t do foreplay or go down on women are lazy and guaranteed the sex is bad, and some guy started getting mad about it. I didn’t say you have to do weird porn shit, or make it all about the guy. OP asked what women should know about sex, and I made it super simple: don’t just lay there, and it’s about BOTH parties making each other fe…
/r/PurplePillDebate23/12/22 02:00 AM
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1) Don’t just lay there. 2)just bc it’s harder for you to get off, or just bc you won’t always get off, doesn’t mean sex is all about us doing stuff to you. It’s a two way street. As much as guys who think it’s just about them suck, women who think the reverse suck as well. 3)just bc we finished doesn’t mean it was good sex.
/r/PurplePillDebate23/12/22 01:17 AM
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Yeah for sure. If you’re that uncomfortable asking about it maybe you’re not comfortable enough doing it either.
/r/PurplePillDebate22/12/22 08:59 PM
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Look, I’m not a supporter of saying shit like “can I give you a kiss” awkwardly at the end of the date. And I wouldn’t suggest saying something awkwardly like “do you think you’d like to try some choking?” But there are ways to approach these topics in a confident way where you’re getting consent and figuring out if they’re into it or not. If a date was going well I would usually slip in something like “ I’m going to kiss you later” and their reaction would tell you if that was ok or not, and ca…
/r/PurplePillDebate22/12/22 07:40 PM
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Yeah and let’s be real here, if you have to make a choice between assuming a woman likes it rough or not (especially if you’re not asking before trying it out) then you should never assume they want to be choked or have their hair pulled really hard. That’s crazy aggressive to do to someone for the first time without discussing it. It doesn’t even have to be a first date topic, but if you’re having sex for the first time it’s not weird to ask before you try something out. Ffs what kind of maniac…
/r/PurplePillDebate22/12/22 03:58 PM
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Bad bot
/r/PurplePillDebate22/12/22 02:44 AM
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Yeah there are lots of factors to being a viable option as a man, but I just meant the male wall seems to be early on. Was that way for me and every guy I knew. Some clear it as a teen, and some of us cleared it in college. Some clear it after that when they settle into a career. And some never clear it bc they get bitter that it’s taking them so long to do so and the wall just grows and becomes insurmountable to them. But there’s no other wall when you’ve cleared it bc you can always be a viabl…
/r/PurplePillDebate21/12/22 01:57 PM
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Wouldn’t “the wall” for men be at the beginning of their entrance to the dating pool? You have to clear it to become a viable prospect whether that be by looks, financial success, maturity, personality, or whatever. Once you do you’re able to get attention from women and then that never really fades if you don’t fuck it up.
/r/PurplePillDebate21/12/22 01:47 PM
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Hard disagree. Any woman I’ve stopped having interest with it wasn’t after we had sex. It was typically after I had been putting in a lot of effort to get to know them and show who I am, but realized she hadn’t done the same and I just lost interest in someone who wasn’t trying to also win me over, but wanted to pretend we were close. That’s the issue I see much more often: you spend all this time trying to prove yourself and then when you do they have strong feelings for you but you don’t recip…
/r/PurplePillDebate21/12/22 01:34 PM
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Haha what? I said it was a Gallup poll bc it was. Stop being a child
/r/PurplePillDebate21/12/22 12:41 PM
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I’m a straight male Curious if by high you mean too high, then prob like 60+ Or if you mean just a high number then anything about 2x average which I think would be around 15. If a woman was more than 2x my number I prob would be a bit uncomfortable about it bc that would get above my too high range, but I dunno. I never found that conversation to lead anywhere good.
/r/PurplePillDebate19/12/22 08:14 PM
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Yeah this idea that you can tell what women have a high n count by looking at them is crazy. Maybe you can guess if you see someone hooking up in a bar late night, but that’s an assumption and that’s not how it goes anyway unless two ppl are hammered. I always went by if a woman is saying “I never do this” that that was trying not to have me judge her and I didn’t believe it, but I was also doing it so why would I ever judge her for it?
/r/PurplePillDebate19/12/22 07:47 PM
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Both. I never did an analysis of every incident, and it’s not like I asked them about every hookup. And no clue what level of drunk they got on dates, but knowing them likely it was mostly sober for dates and at least a little drunk for bar hookups. As for hookups from intramural sports leagues that’s prob mostly sober.
/r/PurplePillDebate19/12/22 05:38 PM
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Obligatory not a woman, but the female friends I know with high N count do the exact same shit as the ones who don’t, they just go home with guys at the end of the night, or sleep with their OLD dates sooner than the others. They aren’t crazy ppl living strange lifestyles. They just add sex to the end of the night.
/r/PurplePillDebate19/12/22 03:08 PM
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That’s bc they’re trying to bilk money from you. Also by their own definition it’s not about looks or power or wealth, but about being in the top % of men. So even if all men got in shape and worked on their looks it’s still impossible for them all to become the top% of men. Unless they change their view to: women have high standards and if you meet those standards you’re good. Then I could see hypothetical value in following their advice to become someone who meets those standards. But that’s n…
/r/PurplePillDebate19/12/22 01:34 PM
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I’m not going to list out every single thing they think, but I’d say RP falls into the category as most social beliefs nowadays: start with something true and ramp it up to an absurd level. Then get super defensive when it questioned bc you’re emotionally invested. It’s just another branch of social justice to me. One group thinking life is a zero sum game and thinking the rest of the world owes them something.
/r/PurplePillDebate19/12/22 12:24 PM
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I sincerely doubt “tons” of straight men are secretly bi. In Feb 2022 the % of lgbt identifying people in the US saw an “uptick” to 7.1% according to a Gallup poll. That is not by any measurement “tons” especially given that you can’t count any of the strictly gay men, or any of the women of any sexuality in that. Even giving that 57% of LGBT members polled identified as bi, you have to take the 3:1 ration of women identifying as bi vs men. So ballpark 15% of lgbt identifying ppl are bi men. Tha…
/r/PurplePillDebate18/12/22 02:16 PM
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Putting the pussy on a pedestal, while ridiculous and arguably misogynistic depending on intent, is not even close to the most misogynistic thing a man can do. That title goes to a slew of Muslim sharia things like killing women for showing hair, having laws where their word is half of a man’s (bc the female brain can’t remember and talk at the same time so you need two women so the one talking can be reminded of what happened…not my words and also how can the other talk to remind them while not…
/r/PurplePillDebate18/12/22 03:33 AM
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I think it’s just a hilarious misunderstanding of what being a “nice guy” is. I’d consider myself a nice guy, tho I would never use the term with the negative connotations, bc I am considerate of others, I’m thoughtful, and I care about what my partner wants/needs. But I’m not a doormat who thinks women should be worshipped while I keep telling them in words/deeds that I’m just super lucky to have them. I understand that I have value and that they are lucky to have me. I demonstrate that value, …
/r/PurplePillDebate17/12/22 02:48 PM
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I can’t get beyond seeing monsters/aliens as a male kink. Who tf is out here playing monsters and aliens in bed?
/r/PurplePillDebate17/12/22 12:00 PM
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That’s still a giant leap to the law says they’re between a man and a child lol. They also get custody over men implying they’re of more value. Either way it’s a silly argument to say the least says they’re more or less. It doesn’t.
/r/PurplePillDebate16/12/22 06:55 PM
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We must be in diff countries my guy
/r/PurplePillDebate16/12/22 06:50 PM
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OP: women shouldn’t be forced to pair with men who are sexist Also OP: women are halfway between a man and a child Definitely not a troll post tho…..
/r/PurplePillDebate16/12/22 06:47 PM
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Then don’t date. More women for the other men who haven’t given up.
/r/PurplePillDebate16/12/22 01:32 AM
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No. Ppl will always hate being rejected, and they take those feelings out by blaming the way it was done. But there is no easy way for it to be done to you. Being told a lie hurts bc of the lie and confusion. Fair enough. But telling someone they don’t earn enough or are too fat isn’t going to make them feel ok with it you maniac. Women handle rejection horribly too, they just can’t do as much physically about it. That’s the only difference. There are tons of crazy reactions from women being rej…
/r/PurplePillDebate16/12/22 01:31 AM
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If you say so. I’m married now so it’s beyond irrelevant, but not wanting someone to get attached bc they assume having sex for the first time means something more is a pretty normal feeling for a younger guy. Be mad if you want, but it is what it is.
/r/PurplePillDebate12/12/22 08:34 PM
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Haha that’s ok. I never wanted that weird unearned attachment that comes from being someone’s first.
/r/PurplePillDebate12/12/22 08:30 PM
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I don’t. Ive never dated a virgin woman in my life, and it was the best choice I’ve ever made.
/r/PurplePillDebate12/12/22 08:29 PM
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Lol this is a ridiculous misinterpretation of mate selection amongst human beings. We don’t want you more than you want us, maybe for random sex, but that’s debatable as well. I agree it’s ridiculous for men to tell women to change their standards, but the reason women can have those standards is bc men have lower standards. If all men had higher standards then women would have less to choose from, and would have to change their requirements. I’ll also grant you that now that women can have jobs…
/r/PurplePillDebate12/12/22 03:00 AM
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I’ll grant you that might be true for some red pill ppl, just as it is for ppl with all sorts of beliefs, but it’s not universally true. Plenty of the red pill types are just angry little trolls frothing at the mouth to spew their hate. You might be better practices at being a psychopath, and I guess good for you?
/r/PurplePillDebate02/12/22 11:32 PM
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You’re a fool if you think that anyone who manipulates others intentionally cares if you say that to them. Unless when you say “words have power” you mean the words you told yourself to convince yourself that this was some epic comeback and you’ve taught them a lesson. Or that you can teach others lessons against their will. But then again you said “giving them karma” as if you were some divine agent lol. Got a mighty high idea of yourself. Manipulators are pieces of shit, and someone they deem …
/r/PurplePillDebate02/12/22 11:30 PM
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For basically ever, the difference is they used to only have to be likable to the future father in law who would essentially give the daughter to him. But in terms of women having the deciding vote it’s hard to say, since there’s likely been many times in which A woman has had the ability to choose, but for all/most I don’t know. Worldwide we aren’t even at a place where all women have the choice 100% in their hands.
/r/PurplePillDebate02/12/22 06:47 PM
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Bro stop over complicating everything. It’s super simple: if something is easy it is NOT impressive. If a hot guy sleeps with kids of women with ease it’s not impressive. If a guy talks his way into sleeping with 100 women it’s impressive that he has that skill. Women don’t have to talk their way into dick, nor can they if a guy isn’t already interested in them, therefore it’s not considered impressive. It’s just gluttonous. It’s the same reason we don’t applaud someone for being morbidly obese.…
/r/PurplePillDebate26/11/22 11:26 PM
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I mean define high. I don’t care if theirs is around mine, but if it’s like 100-200 that’s a bit much for me and I’m out. Also other factors involved too. If a woman, and it’s happened, said my number was too high for them I’m not mad about it I just move on. Stop telling ppl what their preference is allowed to be lol. You sound like the RP type but in reverse. It’s hilarious how y’all don’t realize you’re the same.
/r/PurplePillDebate16/11/22 02:45 PM
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Maybe not. But that’s your choice. Just like incel redpill types won’t ever convince women to sleep with them just bc they feel entitled to it, you won’t convince men to be initially attracted to anything other than your looks. You can be mad and avoid men for it, but we won’t really care either way. Men will hook up with, and even keep a relationship with for a time, a woman based purely on looks. BUT that doesn’t mean we won’t give more to a woman who brings more than her looks to the table. A…
/r/PurplePillDebate13/11/22 12:39 AM
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Yeah what’s that old Patrice O’Neil joke? Something like just bc a woman is sexable doesn’t mean the guy who wants her is sexable. Just bc a guy is likable to the girl doesn’t mean she is likable. Doesn’t mean she can’t be, but if the early part of a relationship is the man trying to impress the woman to make her like him it just ends up being she likes him. Men won’t like a woman just bc we spent time trying to make you like us. That’s not how it works.
/r/PurplePillDebate13/11/22 12:33 AM
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Yeah I’m not going to CMV someone who’s talking bc about “reality” tv lmao. But yeah guys don’t typically date less attractive women. Bc we are significantly more superficial, and you bring significantly less to the table lmao. You can’t talk your way into men liking you bc you never developed that skill. Spend too much time attracting men by being attractive and you start to believe your looks are equal to our personality and they aren’t. Yours fades ours doesn’t. But the women who bring more t…
/r/PurplePillDebate13/11/22 12:15 AM
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I feel like this is the correct answer. It’s also the same for guys, just the difference is men tend to have lower standards for sexual partners. I think OP is confusing things bc some of these qualifications can’t be known right away, so it seems like you’re going in qualified and ending up unqualified. This also happens when a guy pretends to be something he’s not to try to pick up women.
/r/PurplePillDebate05/11/22 01:08 PM
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Married actually. I listen to my complain all the time and when it’s too much I ask how she wants to make it better
/r/PurplePillDebate03/11/22 10:35 PM
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Hahaha, fair but I prefer to be happy. There’s a limit on the number of times I’m going to listen to the same exact complaint before I’m giving advice so it stops. If it’s a new complaint each time fine, but otherwise chill. That much negativity seeps into other ppl around you and makes them miserable too.
/r/PurplePillDebate03/11/22 10:28 PM
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Bitch it’s not that we don’t know what venting is, it’s that there’s a fucking limit to how often we’re going to hear someone bitch about the same shit day after day without telling them to try to fix the shit. Stop making me miserable with your constant negativity if you’re not trying to make the situation better. Also don’t start some “advice” with “most men are fucking clueless” the arrogance of that statement is hilarious.
/r/PurplePillDebate03/11/22 09:59 PM
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That’s a ridiculous statement. Sure, you can judge/criticize anyones actions for whatever reasons you want, but it doesn’t make you non hypocritical for doing so (also doesn’t inherently make you a hypocrite either) what makes you a hypocrite is whether or not you hold those standards across the board for the same scenarios. And “do whatever you want” isn’t even close to the only hypocrisy free stance to be had.
/r/PurplePillDebate03/11/22 02:52 AM
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I mean equal implies the same and it’s just factually inaccurate. But we should be equal in terms of rights and opportunities. Also if you start a sentence “as a (insert racial/ethnic/social/gender group get)” then it’s difficult to give a fuck about what you say next. You didn’t choose to be a woman, so why would that qualify you as an expert in anything?
/r/PurplePillDebate03/11/22 02:40 AM
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Wouldn’t the argument be that someone who cheats is inherently not HV, and subsequently you argument should be about finding an actual HVM isn’t as easy as it seems? Maybe there’s a cap on it, like if they’re too wanted by other women and have too many options the lose some of their calculable value?
/r/PurplePillDebate16/10/22 12:05 PM
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So you’re suggesting that men who aren’t successful with women are bitter and angry at them and have turned into angry little sprites looking for any excuse to feel superior…..Hot take that
/r/PurplePillDebate12/10/22 08:17 PM
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These Andrew Tate followers need to stop pretending: 1)that they’ve ever had sex before 2)that N count actually matters to them. Like they wouldn’t sleep with an attractive woman who has a high N count…. Y’all keep pretending you’re the one who wouldn’t touch them when it’s the other way around. You’re like the kid who says he’s too cool for prom, when really he just couldn’t get a date.
/r/PurplePillDebate23/09/22 10:22 AM
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Yeah RPers try to say how hard it is for men and unfair towards them, and feminists say the reverse, but the truth is it’s all part of the same social norms. Both sides have advantages and disadvantages, and it comes down to who thinks which ones are preferable.
/r/PurplePillDebate22/09/22 01:53 AM
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I think it does in some respects. I know I’ve never had an issue with a woman earning more than me, but it can depend on other factors. If the woman makes a lot more and there’s this expects from the man and the woman (or just one of the two) that he has to earn close to what she does or he’s not pulling his weight I can imagine that would be a problem. Not necessarily one caused by the woman but partly (or completely) caused by the man and expectations he’s been raised with. But it’s not really…
/r/PurplePillDebate21/09/22 07:45 PM
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I guess the worst is that everything is always on you. It’s always more responsibility, more things to do, or more ppl counting on you and it gets tiresome. It’s not all bad bc it means you have a lot of control over how things go, but it does get tiresome. As I’ve gotten older I’ve grown more sympathetic to why my dad left. I don’t think it’s right, and I certainly would never do it, but I can see how just the weight of never ending responsibility could make someone want to just only be respons…
/r/PurplePillDebate21/09/22 11:37 AM
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I was going to say this is horse shit of the highest order, but I can tell OP has a 0 n-count, so maybe he’s right?
/r/PurplePillDebate20/09/22 03:57 PM
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This is both a true statement, and also not true for every single guy in existence. Tho I will say when you’re in the Relationship you’ll find time to see her if you want to. I’ve never dated a woman I was super into and been too busy to see her. Hell I’ve gone right to their place just to basically go to bed bc that’s all there was time for.
/r/PurplePillDebate18/09/22 10:30 PM
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Haha no. I never wanted to be anyones first. Way too much attachment and emotion involved in that for as early on in the relationship as I wanted to have sex with them. Plus who wants to have sex with a girl who’s sex style is dead fish? Women can pretend they’re all great at sex, but when you’re younger most goes just lay there and expect you to do stuff to them. When they get experience it’s a lot better. Granted I don’t want a woman who has no standards and just slept around with hundreds of …
/r/PurplePillDebate04/09/22 07:59 PM
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Agree 100% that identity talks are blame oriented not solutions oriented. It goes down to “your group did this apologize and fix it now” instead of discussing how to fix it for the future. It’s a shame too, bc it just pushes each side further and further to the extremes of their position
/r/PurplePillDebate04/09/22 07:53 PM
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I think the important thing to remember for either group is that just bc the other didn’t face the same issues you have, doesn’t mean they didn’t face other issues that are equally trying, albeit in significantly different ways. Too often on this sub you get “women have it easy in dating” or “men don’t have to deal with sexual harassment” type claims as if it’s making the point that one side has it super easy and the other super hard. But in reality both sides have issues that come from social n…
/r/PurplePillDebate04/09/22 02:12 AM
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If you’re trying to ONS a bunch of women in your building and they get mad and ruin your shot at other women. They stalk you easily. Vandalize your shit.
/r/PurplePillDebate02/09/22 08:55 PM
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It’s not about what a girl you sleep with thinks about you, it’s about the negative impact on your life. Just like you said work doesn’t count bc it could effect your career, well apartment building could effect your day to day life.
/r/PurplePillDebate02/09/22 08:18 PM
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I’m america the only ppl who play soccer intramural leagues are ppl who’ve played for years. If you never played you’re gonna get spanked. Also it’s more playing focused and less socially focused. Which is good if you’re just looking to play for the enjoyment, but for those looking to socialize from it (at least in America) it’s not the best choice.
/r/PurplePillDebate31/08/22 03:56 PM
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Yeah it’s fun, and not a big deal regarding athletic ability. Some ppl are good but many aren’t, and everyone’s just there to have fun. They should have free agent teams so you can join as an individual or with a friend or two
/r/PurplePillDebate31/08/22 03:54 PM
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Intramural sports leagues. Google that in your area and you’ll find them
/r/PurplePillDebate31/08/22 03:53 PM
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Play kickball tons of the ppl who play that aren’t athletic at all. It’s a beer league. Or cornhole. Ppl don’t really care anyway, but maybe don’t play soccer or something like that
/r/PurplePillDebate30/08/22 12:41 PM
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Can confirm sports clubs is an easy way to make friends. You just show up and ppl are ready to be friends lol.
/r/PurplePillDebate30/08/22 12:24 PM
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To be fair is being sexist has nothing to do with whether or not feminists are sexist. That’s the type of thing ppl like the girl from the pics say to avoid their own sexism “well men are sexist so I’m not wrong for being sexist too”
/r/MensRights22/08/22 10:54 AM
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No and yes. There is a point of repetition where the hotness or newness of someone wears off. But that’s is supplemented by our feelings for you. When a guy loses attraction it’s usually based on things of a similar nature: lack of effort from one or both sides in the couple of keeping the spark going. Did you stop doing the sexual stuff you used to after things got serious or after marriage? Do you treat sex as a “let’s get it over with” thing? Maybe he did the same and that’s why that attracti…
/r/PurplePillDebate22/08/22 01:09 AM
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No, even the racial preferences thing is at most a sign someone could be racist. The preference itself doesn’t matter, it’s what the reasoning behind it is that makes it immoral or not.
/r/PurplePillDebate18/08/22 11:30 AM
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We enjoy the chase, but the chase is poorly defined. “The chase” isn’t trying to hit on a girl, it’s the early stages of dating. First few dates, first few times having sex, and just the basic newness feeling of it all. That’s what we enjoy, but the idea that they have to play hard to get is just a misconception coming from the idea that we will leave you once you have sex with us.
/r/PurplePillDebate17/08/22 11:36 AM
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True. If they’re shitting on men blaming them and saying there are no good ones, they should shut up and go live with their cats until they die alone and have their body start to get eaten by cats until the neighbors notice the smell weeks later.
/r/PurplePillDebate15/08/22 10:04 PM
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You have basically 3 option: go hit on younger women looking for hookups, being alone and crying about it since you don’t want what’s available to you, or accept that you missed out on the hooking up with women who have little sexual experience and live in reality and move onto the next stage of your life. It’s like I said, no one is cheering 30 year olds living like children being supported by a new parent bc they had a bad childhood. They can go do things they missed out on as a child, but it’…
/r/PurplePillDebate15/08/22 04:12 PM
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That’s where his logic falls apart. It’s all riddled in this idea that these RP types who couldn’t get women when they were younger now deserve a have fun phase, but the women their age aren’t into that anymore. It’s just envy for what they wanted when they were young. I will say I understand wanting a play the field phase in your life before settling down, but sometimes you have to accept that you missed out on something but can have other things. If you had a bad childhood it’s not a good idea…
/r/PurplePillDebate15/08/22 12:00 PM
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Yeah i think as guys we feel bad when we can’t fix something, and maybe it’s a sense of helplessness mixed with selfishness. The guy in my story was already cheating on her before it happened so it’s not as if he was a good husband anyway tho.
/r/PurplePillDebate15/08/22 03:11 AM
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This holds up to my anecdotal personal experience lol. Husband and wife played in an intramural sports league I was in for years and at a game the wife got shot from a stray bullet from an argument having nothing to do with the intramural game, and ended up paralyzed. They divorced relatively soon after that.
/r/PurplePillDebate15/08/22 03:02 AM
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No that’s ridiculous. If you don’t want to date us as we are then don’t. We don’t actually care. This is like when RP types say it’s on women to lower their standards bc women won’t date them as they are. If you don’t like us that’s your problem, not ours. We’re happy with who we are, and plenty of women like us as we are. You can be with other women, be with a man who acts like a woman, or die alone. Who gives a shit
/r/PurplePillDebate13/08/22 10:20 PM
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Dude this is absurd, first off define what you mean by promiscuous. Do you mean consistently? What if a girl was promiscuous 1 time but that time she slept with 4 guys? What if a woman slept with an average of 1 man a year who she made wait 4 months before they slept together? Her number could be high for some ppl but she never approached sex promiscuously. It’s all arbitrary cut offs. If you don’t want to think about who your girl has been with then don’t. Don’t even ask. Life rule #83: don’t a…
/r/PurplePillDebate13/08/22 10:18 PM
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The only solution there can be is “leveling up” individually. You literally can’t fix other ppl, and anyone who has tried to fix their partner or has tried a relationship when they had something going on knows this. I know it from both sides of the equation, from being with a woman who was a victim of SA, to being in a relationship when my mom died. Both times didn’t work, and it took me years to get over the shit built up from trying to fix my ex. Luckily I had learned enough from that to know …
/r/PurplePillDebate13/08/22 09:53 AM
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Haha I’m not saying it would work, but that’s where the focus should go if you want something that would actually work if you got them to agree. Conversely even if women lower their standards they still have access to higher ranked men, so they would still be doing the same thing, except they’d theoretically be willing to be with the lower ranked guy.
/r/PurplePillDebate12/08/22 06:46 PM
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I’ll say this as someone who has been the guy who has had to wait, and been annoyed about it, and who figured out how to not be that guy: “bf material” doesn’t mean you’re being made to wait. Being made to wait means they’re not sure you’re fully right for them. They see some potential in you, but maybe you lack the confidence to fully sell yourself. The whole “I don’t want you to think I’m a slut” thing will make a woman hold off a few dates, but not literally months and months. Secondly you ca…
/r/PurplePillDebate12/08/22 05:37 PM
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No clue, I never took someone out for food on the first date. Well, that’s not entirely true, I have grabbed drinks with women where it went well and we turned it into dinner, but that always ended in more dates. Any woman who says coffee, bookstore, going for a walk in the park, or drinks is too low effort I’m fine writing off as not compatible. These are mutually beneficial dates, not bc the guy can avoid paying more money, but bc either side can end the date at any point if it’s not going wel…
/r/PurplePillDebate12/08/22 12:45 PM
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Yeah I keep saying the RPers fight should be with men who don’t settle down and “take all the women.” You don’t fix a silly issue by telling the consumer to consume more of the product. That’s asinine. They should be focused on men not settling down. If the “HVM” took a wife and didn’t cheat, there would be no choice but for other options to be taken. Frankly I don’t see how fixing this issue has anything to do with women.
/r/PurplePillDebate12/08/22 09:51 AM
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I played a bunch of different ones from more serious ones like soccer and hockey, to more rec league ones mainly meant for socializing like dodgeball, kickball, softball, and cornhole. For strictly looking for socializing I’d suggest kickball or cornhole. Those were the ones where ppl went out with other teams and drank after games most often.
/r/PurplePillDebate11/08/22 10:51 PM
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Probably bc their professional life is more in order, and they’ve had experiences with men who don’t have their shit together and it’s turned them off of guys that could be considered a “project.” Their standards actually don’t get higher in terms of looks, it’s just their priorities that have changed. Perfectly natural that.
/r/PurplePillDebate11/08/22 03:29 PM
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No they’re arguing that women “cucking betas” is bad and goes against nature, which is for me to spread their seed. The whole thing is just a coping mechanism for them. Instead of taking the logical position that a guy who can’t get women should take: if the top % of men settled down the women who hadn’t been chosen at that point will have to look elsewhere and open up more options for other men. Instead of the top men getting all of the women and sleeping around they should just settle down wit…
/r/PurplePillDebate08/08/22 02:44 PM
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Very true. Not saying men are notoriously great at dealing with rejection lol. Tho the common denominator is ppl who get rejected less often seem to be the ones who flip out about it. It’s always either the reserved neckbeard type who flips out when he gets rejected after finally building up the nerve to talk to a woman, or some narcissistic guy who’s used to getting his way who end up going crazy about it. Women face rejection less often, so that seems to be why they don’t handle it well.
/r/PurplePillDebate07/08/22 03:21 PM
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I’d imagine it depends greatly on the manner in which someone asks you out. If they do it creepily or aggressively it’s not going to seem flattering. But if they are polite and aren’t crazy about being shot down it could be flattering. The awkwardness of turning someone down can cause it to not feel flattering and just feel uncomfortable instead. I will say in my experience women don’t handle rejection well. It’s hard to be flattered when a woman tells you off for saying no. Worse when a woman b…
/r/PurplePillDebate07/08/22 02:05 PM
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I’ve dated girls “out of my league hot” and had a long term relationship with one. Eventually you got a point where either the newness of sleeping with them wears off, or you start to dislike them and they become less sexually attractive to you. Can’t tell 100% which it is, likely a combo of both, but it’s not sustainable long term. Especially given that looks fade with aging. On the other hand I’ve had serious relationships with women who were average looking and I liked their personality a lot…
/r/PurplePillDebate07/08/22 06:03 AM
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What straight man hasn’t thought of how lovely it would be if you were attracted to dudes. Could just watch sports and talk shit and then bang.
/r/PurplePillDebate06/08/22 11:43 PM
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Well it is hard to do, and it isn’t. It’s hard in that it takes a fair amount of failure and when you fail it’s a big ego hit. Takes awhile to get used to that. But it isn’t hard, and comparing it to being a rocket scientist is absurd, in that anyone can do it. It’s not hard like becoming a pro athlete that only a small small % of the population could ever achieve. It’s just hard in that it takes a lot of effort. If you’re unable to analyze why what you did worked or didn’t work, and what ways y…
/r/PurplePillDebate06/08/22 05:06 AM
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In my experience the different type of talk is like this: men keep it generic and vague and it can come off as acting like women are objects. “I hit that” “I saw those” type of things. Womens talk is very specific and intimate details are shared. Call me crazy but I feel like that’s the real disrespectful type sharing the details. I’ve never known a single guy who told intimate sexual details of a woman he really liked. Just doesn’t really happen.
/r/PurplePillDebate05/08/22 10:49 PM
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So there’s no 100% concrete rule that covers all situations. Yes it’s true that the friendzone is inescapable for the vast majority of those placed in it, but that doesn’t mean no one has ever gotten out of it. It seems to me, in my personal experience and those I’ve known, that if you haven’t “hooked up with” (or gone on a date or at least kissed) the woman early on, then she is going to view you as just a friend and you’re stuck there. You can go from hooking up to friends and then get out of …
/r/PurplePillDebate05/08/22 12:24 PM
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I don’t think TRP can take any credit for A, B, or C being advice given out. That’s been around wayyyy before TRP was ever a thing. Look as good as you can, be successful not just financially but something you take pride in/have a passion for, and hitting on women takes experience which means getting accustomed to rejection have been the main pieces of advice given out for a long time now. Hell even those weird dating coach types have said that since before the internet was the internet. I find …
/r/PurplePillDebate03/08/22 03:42 PM
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Haha fair enough. I’m not saying all others view them that way. Certainly the ones who are like them will accept them.
/r/PurplePillDebate02/08/22 09:33 PM
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Yeah and I’m saying the ones who are so very obviously using a guy for money aren’t looked at as normal members of the group. They’re gossiped about and talked about like they’re a leech.
/r/PurplePillDebate02/08/22 07:51 PM
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Yeah, even “hot” guys start off awkward with women. They just get their confidence quicker bc of their looks. Even hilarious guys started off working on what ppl find funny. It’s just how it is. Those who don’t gain confidence from life being easy for them have to build it through hard work.
/r/PurplePillDebate02/08/22 06:49 PM
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Yeah I can’t imagine that marriage was one that was happy for either of them. She has to know she sold herself on some level to him, and he can’t feel truly loved by her. Maybe neither cared and it’s what they both wanted. I can’t answer that for them, but I can say for me it’s not appealing.
/r/PurplePillDebate02/08/22 06:46 PM
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Again you’re saying status is only wealth. There are many types of status in society. Someone who everyone around them likes has status even if they aren’t rich. They have high status in their group of friends/acquaintances. Someone who is skilled in their profession has status, often times they aren’t rich either. You can also be rich and thought of as a POS who ppl avoid. White trash lottery winners won’t just be accepted in to rich private clubs and circles if they don’t suddenly act differen…
/r/PurplePillDebate02/08/22 06:30 PM
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Practice. It’s the only way. The old fake it til you make it cliche. I’ll define it in terms of talking to/hitting on women. It’s the belief that you are worthy of that womens attention and affection, and that you have a lot to offer and that it’s going to go well for you. It comes out in the way you walk/stand. They way you say what you say, body language, and eye contact. I can compare it to a comedian on stage: if one is awkward and nervous and their joke delivery is bad, you won’t find them …
/r/PurplePillDebate02/08/22 06:14 PM
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I mean I agree with you that going out and doing things is more fun than staying home usually, but it’s absurd to say they’re wasting their time if they enjoy watching a movie/show or reading a book together and then discussing it. OP talks about going to a rave, I’d qualify that as wasting your time more than watching tv. But I’m also aware that’s bc I find them boring and dumb, and recognize that it doesn’t mean OP is wasting his time. The key is to find someone who likes to spend their time t…
/r/PurplePillDebate02/08/22 05:54 PM
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Never heard of that study, but even if there is a correlation between promiscuity and divorce rates amongst women, that’s not causation. It seems a lot of times RPers do the thing they get mad at extreme feminists for doing: take a kernel of truth and make big leaps and draw wild conclusions from it. They toss out true information but use it as justification for things it’s not proof of. It’s like when a religious person says they prayed for something and it happened therefore god exists. It’s j…
/r/PurplePillDebate02/08/22 05:50 PM
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There are diff types of status. She might have high status from living a rich lifestyle, but ppl will say she’s a prostitute and a user. She might not care, so it’s whatever, but ppl always look down on that type of woman as a bimbo trophy wife user.
/r/PurplePillDebate02/08/22 05:45 PM
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It’s also looked at as low male status too. I’ll grant the RPer type that a guy who has a trophy hot wife might have more status than the guy who can’t get any woman, but it has ALWAYS been a thing of scorn to say a guy can only get a woman bc of money. And it’s worse when he clearly is submissive and just buying her affection. Being able to charm your way into women liking you has always been the top status, with getting them from good looks being a close second. And frankly no self respecting …
/r/PurplePillDebate02/08/22 05:43 PM
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First dates I usually went by this rule: if I wanted to see her again and thought the date was going well I was going to pay for it all. If she is adamant about splitting it I know she’s not into the date and I accept. If I didn’t want a second date we split it. Once you’re together things should be split more evenly, tho if a woman makes significantly less than me I’m prob going to pay most of the time. When I moved in with my now wife we split the expenses down the middle. We didn’t count or k…
/r/PurplePillDebate02/08/22 05:33 PM
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I mean I guess it technically counts as having had a penis inside you, but let’s be real here, any guy who is counting that as some negative point for the woman is a lunatic. I will say tho after having been in a relationship with a sexual assault victim that I wouldn’t do it again. Realized that I’m not able to handle the issues some victims get from what happened to them. It’s not their fault, but I don’t believe it’s anyone else’s fault if that’s too much for them.
/r/PurplePillDebate02/08/22 03:06 PM
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No that’s just a thing that comes from us men being more “immature” when it comes to the things we enjoy. Subs like why women live longer are an example of this. I’d argue that has little to do with maturity and more to do with having a sillier sense of humor/excitement. I don’t think laughing at farts or other goofy stuff Is immature. My friends and I still laugh at dumb things, so occasionally dumb things, and all have good jobs and are “mature” in the ways that matter. I’d argue that those “i…
/r/PurplePillDebate31/07/22 06:04 PM
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I can’t answer that. I’d say no, but I loved my whole life as a man treated as a man so I find that unappealing. But if I were a woman raised with entirely diff genetics and experiences maybe I would maybe I wouldn’t. Can’t say.
/r/PurplePillDebate30/07/22 11:10 PM
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Oh haha I thought this was some open relationship you just offhand snuck in there
/r/PurplePillDebate30/07/22 06:59 PM
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Never heard of him, but your point makes a lot of sense. Being able to talk to and get dates from women is a weird thing in that it’s almost like a secret knowledge. You’d definitely have to learn it on your own, and I think a lot of that has to do with how there’s no paint by numbers way to accomplish it. What works for one guy doesn’t work for all other guys. There are some genera things you can do, but mostly it’s experience and comfort level/confidence. It’s basically keep trying and failing…
/r/PurplePillDebate30/07/22 03:19 AM
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“I argue with my wife on the harshness of the dating market for me” r/holup
/r/PurplePillDebate30/07/22 03:13 AM
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Looks and status help with getting a girl to match with you on OLD, and likely make them more open to ONS/Meeting up, but it’s no substitute for having game. Talking your way into a girl liking/sleeping with you is a skill. It’s always been THE skill when it comes to getting women. The difference is guys who are attractive develop it easier since girls find them sexy so they have confidence. But that’s all it basically is:confidence and not having deal breakers. I’m average looking with a decent…
/r/PurplePillDebate29/07/22 12:14 PM
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According to Dr. Elliot Reid, 4 dates is the correct time to have sex. One date longer than the sluts, one date shorter than the prudes.
/r/PurplePillDebate23/07/22 01:04 AM
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I mean men tend to be more at the extremes of things. So we have more of the high successful in business easy lifestyle % and we have more of the homeless types. I’d say the average of either is living about the same level of difficulty
/r/PurplePillDebate22/07/22 02:33 AM
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I mean isn’t this more a case of men having no other standards beyond looks? Instead of saying “women have too high of standards and wouldn’t give a person with a serious illness a chance” couldn’t you say “men will be with anyone they think is hot regardless of whatever conditions/personality traits they possess” and it’s the same point about who men/women date? I think most ppl wouldn’t date someone with a serious condition if they didn’t get to know them before finding out. We often times hav…
/r/PurplePillDebate21/07/22 01:59 PM
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Why would she “need to make up for” no responding how you want her to? She did nothing wrong, and if you don’t like her for it you did nothing wrong but you’re not compatible. Move on and grow up. “I thought I would be seeing her forever” after the first few weeks is a crazy person statement. Maybe you got too attached too soon, and built up all of these huge expectations that you didn’t express. And you didn’t say “hey it bothers me that you didn’t thank me for the gift code or respond to my je…
/r/PurplePillDebate21/07/22 01:54 PM
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This is the common thing that confuses me about RPers and extreme feminists. Both sides keep spouting this narrative that only men (or only women) have this advantage in society and things are unfairly easy for the opposite sex. The reality is that men and women both have advantages/disadvantages and it all stems from the same social norms/structure that evolved over time. Are the advantages/disadvantages equal? No, and depending on who you ask they’d prefer certain ones over others. The answer …
/r/PurplePillDebate21/07/22 01:41 PM
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But she’s not more attracted to you, she just sees you as a better LTR option. It doesn’t mean she 100% will be a good match in a LTR with you. Maybe you can’t close? Maybe you don’t make a move in a way she feels comfortable with. Anecdotal here, but in my experience they will sleep with you in the first 3 dates if you know how to make them feel comfortable with you and you make a move the right way. But this question is unanswerable anyway. 1)bc you won’t accept any answer given. 2)bc ppl are …
/r/PurplePillDebate21/07/22 12:59 PM
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Cruimh?
/r/WhereAreAllTheGoodMen21/07/22 12:31 PM
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Why would it make more sense to make a guy you see as a fling wait longer for sex than someone you want to keep seeing? Only two options make any sense for a guy you can’t see being in a LTR with: 1) sleep with him as a fling and don’t put effort into getting to know them on a deeper level 2)stop talking to them altogether But women have sexual desires too so it’s not as if their going stop wanting sex with someone physically attractive. They make the guy the see as LTR potential wait longer pro…
/r/PurplePillDebate21/07/22 12:21 PM
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You act like if we seem like good guys early on, and even if we know we specifically are a good guy, that the woman should be able to intrinsically understand this. It takes time to get to know someone for real. Plus this “n” count thing is ridiculous anyway. If you sleep with anyone you life quickly, it’s not as if all relationships work out. So the number of partners can get high quickly from ppl it just didn’t work out with. You can’t expect a woman to keep a low “n count” and also put out ri…
/r/PurplePillDebate21/07/22 11:48 AM
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Since men date across and down on the hierarchy of dating ranking and women date across and up it will cause issues. As women find more success in their career in lowers their % of potential partners. Granted this can, and likely will, be fixed as society evolves and women having successful careers becomes less and less rare. There eventually needs to be a shift of the idea that a man making less than a woman, or not having as advanced of a degree as her, is bad and makes them not a match.
/r/PurplePillDebate19/07/22 02:13 PM
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Is that settling tho? Or is it that you understand more what makes a lasting relationship and you shift your priorities accordingly. Less superficial stuff but harsher standards for the real stuff like personality traits and being secure in your career and a good potential father/mother.
/r/PurplePillDebate19/07/22 12:09 PM
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I don’t know if I would say everyone starts to “settle” as much as they grow up and priorities shift. Someone who’s super hot stops being the priority it once felt like and you start to care about other things more than you used to. I don’t think that’s settling bc it’s not that you have lower standards as much as you realize what it is you’re actually looking for/what makes a successful relationship. So the superficial stuff drops away a bit and the things that make a lasting relationship becom…
/r/PurplePillDebate19/07/22 12:08 PM
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I mean that’s a you problem tbh. If you have no patience for small talk, obviously you’re going to struggle talking to anyone. And confidence is confidence whatever the reason for it. It’s not confidence bc you’ve been rejected, it’s not lacking confidence bc you aren’t afraid of rejection, and then confidence once you’ve learned better ways to approach talking to women. Ppl make it out to be this big deal but it’s not. Instead of focusing on “woe is me this is hard and scary” just focus on what…
/r/PurplePillDebate18/07/22 04:55 PM
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Lol not liking what I’m saying doesn’t make something fairytales. I’m not sure you understand how something being true works. Now you’re proving my point that when you’re confident and not afraid of rejection you start finding success. Yeah but their confidence comes from success, not from no longer giving a shit about rejection. Either way the end result is the same.
/r/PurplePillDebate18/07/22 11:55 AM
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Lack of effort and actively seeking to understand what works and doesn’t is the problem. Based in fear of rejection. When I was young I was afraid of being shot down and subsequently either didn’t put myself out there often, got attached super easily, or took it way too hard when I go rejected. This is where PUA con men types come in promising an easy solution, but the only real answer is to keep working on yourself. Outside and in the sense of understanding why what you’re doing doesn’t work an…
/r/PurplePillDebate18/07/22 03:51 AM
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I don’t think any guy is always one or the other. It’s sort of cyclical. You get in a relationship and it ends and for awhile you just want to have fun. After awhile of that having first dates and trying to meet new ppl over and over gets tiresome and a relationship is what you’re looking for. Eventually one of those relationships works out and you’re good.
/r/PurplePillDebate18/07/22 03:29 AM
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The solution is prob something along the lines of re-evaluating social norms. As we move away from norms of women having to be housewives and they’re becoming more and more equal in the workplace, we need reevaluate the norms of dating. Not “women lower their standards to date any guy at all” type of stuff, but maybe a woman worrying about the guy having to make as much as more turns more into a guy who has a full time gig he works hard at and is a good looking (in their estimate) guy with a goo…
/r/PurplePillDebate18/07/22 01:11 AM
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I mean there’s low standards and there is no standards. If you only want someone slim that might be high standards compared to the % of the population that won’t match that, but not wanting someone 100lbs overweight is not the same thing as not wanting someone 20lbs overweight.
/r/PurplePillDebate17/07/22 01:54 PM
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Women have the disadvantage of not knowing how to get a man they want. They can dress or look a way that could attract a guy they want, but it also attracts guys they don’t want. We do the hitting on, and yeah they do the choosing from that, so we develop knowledge on how to get who we want. They can only sift through the options presented them. That’s prob sucky.
/r/PurplePillDebate17/07/22 12:54 AM
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This isn’t true. They aren’t attracted to just niceness. As in if that’s all you’re doing is being nice that’s not enough. But that’s true of men and women. It’s not about edge or cockiness but yeah they like confidence and not being a pushover for everything they say at all times. Ppl in general like a challenge, not necessarily being less interested in them so they have to work for it, but just someone who challenges them at times. Doesn’t just blandly agree to everything they say. This isn’t …
/r/PurplePillDebate16/07/22 03:12 AM
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Haha yeah that’s an odd thing for sure. But I think op meant more that typical “girls want to sleep around when their young and then want some good guy when they’re used up” nonsense way
/r/PurplePillDebate16/07/22 02:52 AM
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Never got the appeal myself. Never wanted to be anyones first, as it just comes with a level of added attachment based on the situation. Always weirded me out a bit the idea of being someone’s first. Luckily never happened.
/r/PurplePillDebate16/07/22 02:51 AM
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True, but that doesn’t make going out to parties when you’re in college repulsive behavior.
/r/PurplePillDebate16/07/22 02:47 AM
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No it isn’t. Maybe in excess, but going out and having a few drinks isn’t toxic. Partying til you vomit is, but that’s a different situation entirely.
/r/PurplePillDebate16/07/22 12:46 AM
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Women wouldn’t “spread the wealth” lol it’s more of a capitalistic structure where the rich would just get richer. I don’t think you have proof of 3, as 2 isn’t proven accurate. Is sex a barrier to personal relationships between the genders? Nah no matter how open with sex women get incel types won’t be attractive to them. Also incels have a weird idea about who they should be going after. They seem to expect the hottest women there are, which would always be beyond their reach.
/r/PurplePillDebate15/07/22 11:15 PM
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I’m not saying you have to like drinking, partying, or hooking up but maybe you should consider what is it about you that gets so repulsed by pretty normal young person behavior? The more uncommon thing is to be that judgmental about normal behavior.
/r/PurplePillDebate15/07/22 10:09 PM
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It wouldn’t as I doubt many men could afford it. If it were legalized it would be monetized to the extreme, and once types aren’t typically the ones with an excess of disposable income.
/r/PurplePillDebate15/07/22 06:39 PM
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I think often times you get guys in America not being able to handle a woman making a lot more than them bc most women look down on that. Women will judge a guy if he earns less or is less educated than they are, and there are just these expectations on a guy to be a provider. So the guys who aren’t doing that at the highest level start to feel like “well if that is expected of me then why shouldn’t I expect you to fulfill old fashioned gender roles for women?” Which is a silly response to tryin…
/r/PurplePillDebate15/07/22 05:36 PM
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That’s fair, and I guess I was too vague on what I meant by improving your personality. I don’t mean suddenly you’re an entirely different person altogether, but I meant your attitude towards women and the way you interact with them. It’s anecdotal, but I know from personal experience and from seeing guys around me that having confidence in how you talk to women, and maybe more importantly not doing weird shit when you talk to them greatly improves your chances of success. And these are for a fa…
/r/PurplePillDebate15/07/22 04:51 PM
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Yeah when a woman goes somewhere and gets harassed it’s absurd to think she should view it as “most of the men didn’t do that” instead of “ok I went to that place once and got harassed by a guy once.” That’s the absolute normal reaction to have, worrying about the scary thing that happened instead of the ppl who didn’t do the scary thing to you. Yeah it’s not just the top % of guys “hogging” all the women that cause the problems RPers bring up. It’s also the large % of men overall who are at the…
/r/PurplePillDebate15/07/22 04:45 PM
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Maybe if you analyze each individual situation the factors might be different than expected, but when looking at the population as a whole it’s undeniable that good looks, great personality, bring in great shape, wealth, power, or fame are absolutely factors that improve success rate with women. Just bc someone average looking is in a relationship with someone average looking doesn’t mean looks weren’t a factor, it just means that individuals looks met the others standards, which were lower than…
/r/PurplePillDebate15/07/22 03:53 PM
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I’ll grant you that it comes down to “luck” but only in the sense that everything in life is boiled down to luck. By luck I mean you didn’t really earn it. Genetics are luck. How you were raised/socialized is luck. If you are a hard worker? Luck. Either you were socialized to be hard working or you were genetically inclined to it. If you’re able to learn and grow, that’s the same boat. There’s essentially no free will here and it’s all luck. The only thing is, you don’t know until you try, and i…
/r/PurplePillDebate15/07/22 12:55 PM
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Guys at the bottom of the food chain are mad bc women are like an organized union, and we are a bunch of out for ourselves capitalists. There’s no brotherhood, beyond small circles of friends and bro code violations, and so they can’t just say “how about guys raise their standards or top guys settle down taking themselves off the board as an option” bc it won’t work. So they blame women, also in part bc they want to be that top guy. Like the poor person who is against taxing the rich bc they fee…
/r/PurplePillDebate15/07/22 12:40 PM
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No. Vagina isn’t a magic treasure hoard and women aren’t dragons meant to guard it. You don’t get it and then on to the next thing, unless that’s what you’re looking for
/r/PurplePillDebate15/07/22 12:27 PM
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Haha you got the better deal there then. Cool in laws are nice, but cool wives are best.
/r/PurplePillDebate14/07/22 08:51 PM
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That’s awesome! My wife will watch with me, but it’s clear she’s not into it, and watching alone/with friends just works out better for both of us. I did luck out in that my wife’s Dad is from the same city I grew up in and has good seats season tickets to the baseball team there so I get to go to games with him sometimes lol. He has all daughters, and the other sons in law one isn’t a big sports fans and the other is from the rival city.
/r/PurplePillDebate14/07/22 08:39 PM
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Never. Just have no sexual attraction to men. Also I’m sure it has its own issues anyway, but I was mostly just making a joke about how it sounds great on paper minus the sex with other men.
/r/PurplePillDebate14/07/22 08:29 PM
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Agreed, that’s why I had to say it’s not a great comparison. But that’s the comparison ppl make bc on paper it’s a similar concept where one side gets to point out things that are unfair, and another doesn’t. I also find it odd that RP ppl never seem to say “top guys need to settle down and not sleep around so that the other women would lose them as an option which inevitably would create more availability and a far more naturally created decrease in expectations of women” my only guess is that …
/r/PurplePillDebate14/07/22 08:26 PM
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Lol ppl always looking for a reason to argue here. Not sure how that person took that as you arguing the wage gap at all
/r/PurplePillDebate14/07/22 08:21 PM
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Yeah it’s not something you need to be athletic for. Now there will be some athletic teams who beat you by a lot, but no one cares bc everyone is drunk.
/r/PurplePillDebate14/07/22 08:20 PM
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Weirdly I’ve found most hot women are kind ppl. Maybe they aren’t the funniest or most charming personality wise (due to ppl acting like what they say is more funny/interesting than it actually is) but bc they’re typically treated so kindly, they tend to think the world is a kinder place and are usually kind in response to that. It’s (for men and women) the bitter ppl who aren’t treated as kindly and subsequently become jerks (they typical image we have of an incel) that makes me think you’re ri…
/r/PurplePillDebate14/07/22 02:36 PM
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I’ve found that since OLD became oversaturated and started falling to shit(in terms of success rate. Not making any value judgment of the way men/women act on the apps) that irl meeting is now the superior way to go about it. Where OLD was once the place where options opened up bc bars were inconvenient, you now see a swing back to meeting irl. If approaching a woman in a bar doesn’t work for what you bring to the table, I highly highly suggest intramural sports/whatever hobby group you can find…
/r/PurplePillDebate14/07/22 02:32 PM
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I get what you’re trying to say here, and often times I see them the same way I see super leftist types vs super right wing types: two opposing groups who do the same annoying things. But it’s not as if all TRP/Feminists are a monolith with identical beliefs. They just both have members who do nothing but blame the other side, and refuse to accept anything other than “you’re in the wrong now fix it.” And, just like the two political sides, they’re filled with echo chambers that push them further…
/r/PurplePillDebate14/07/22 02:25 PM
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Lmao, imagine thinking that if you can’t get a date with a guy who meets your standards that you want to be propositioned anywhere/anytime. Just cause you want to find someone and haven’t been able to, doesn’t mean you don’t want a place where you can just talk to others in similar situations without being hit on lol. Plus who in their right mind would find it to be a good pickup line to say “you can’t get dates? Date me”
/r/PurplePillDebate14/07/22 02:08 PM
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No bc men don’t sleep around bc they want a bunch of kids. Maybe that’s where the instinct comes from, but let’s be real here, most men who sleep around are hoping they don’t get any of those women pregnant, and don’t want to be a single father.
/r/PurplePillDebate14/07/22 02:05 PM
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I agree that blaming women, hypergamy, or biology for one’s failures in dating is entirely unhelpful. I’m general complaining that something is unfair, even when it’s a true statement, gets you nothing. Ppl aren’t going to change for your benefit and it’s unrealistic to expect that. Becoming bitter just shoved you further down the ranking of potential partners and you fall into a deeper hole. That being said society does this in all aspects. Women do it constantly. How often do you hear somethin…
/r/PurplePillDebate14/07/22 02:03 PM
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I think the issue isn’t really how you’re describing it. It’s more that women are open to being attracted to men for more than just looks, and when they consider a hook up it’s purely based on looks. Men consider hook ups based on being able to hook up, so we don’t care as much if the woman is insanely hot or not. OLD tho has made it easy to meet someone just based on looks, and so if that’s not what you bring to the table it’s difficult for a guy to stand out above the crowd. For all the “women…
/r/PurplePillDebate14/07/22 12:57 PM
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If I could choose I’d be gay af. Imagine not having to deal with all the bs of someone of the opposite sex? Just come home, bang, and watch sports together where you’re both super into it? You lucky butt fuckers are living the dream.
/r/PurplePillDebate14/07/22 12:48 PM
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I think this is a reasonable question to ask, but I don’t think it explains away everything. It literally can’t be that NO average looking guys are in relationships or can get women. It’s possible that it’s just gotten more difficult, I know the things I hear about online dating aren’t the same as my experience with it. (For reference I’m also an average looking guy. 37 years old so I remember when dating apps were dating websites and everyone said “I’ll lie about how we met” on their profile bc…
/r/PurplePillDebate14/07/22 12:47 PM
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While full on hate isn’t good, I’ve definitely found that annoying my way into a woman’s pants/life (whatever you want to call it) was my talking to women style. I don’t mean doing weird put down negging shit, but yeah for sure it’s easier to flip someone who has strong negative feelings for you than it is to flip someone who thinks nothing of you either way. Typically when someone dislikes you, they feel on some level special that you’re suddenly being “nicer” to them. Or it’s easier to turn al…
/r/PurplePillDebate13/07/22 04:20 PM
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I can’t really say if I agree with this. I’m married and have women friends, but I’m never really any different than I am to my male friends. Unless I am without realizing it. But I don’t think this is anything more than some generic statements.
/r/PurplePillDebate12/07/22 09:23 PM
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That makes a lot of sense. It’s easier to detach yourself from what you’re saying to someone when it’s a stranger.
/r/PurplePillDebate12/07/22 11:31 AM
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I approve of this on behalf of the male coalition. You can be hoes til you’re 26, but we get to be until we’re 30 AND we get younger wives? Deal
/r/PurplePillDebate11/07/22 04:38 AM
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Things tend to change when someone finds what works with women. If online dating stops working then someone will find a new way.
/r/PurplePillDebate10/07/22 08:56 PM
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Agreed. In a situation where a woman has hundreds of matches/likes and you have a short amount of space for a bio/pics or even a first message to stand out, you need to find a better situation to show your positive traits. I found intramural sports works super well for finding singles to date. Typically free agent teams are ppl looking for at least new friends, and bc you’re on a team together you can get to know each other organically. That’s how I met my now wife, and previous few girlfriends.
/r/PurplePillDebate10/07/22 06:05 PM
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I agree with you there, at least on some level it’s true. When OLD first started as just websites before apps were out it was looked down upon having to use dating sites. Eventually the men willing to risk getting laughed at started to meet women and it spread in popularity replacing the approach in a bar method. Now that it’s become so oversaturated there will be those same type of innovative thinking daters who start to go back to approaching ppl irl. That will work for them bc it will feel fr…
/r/PurplePillDebate10/07/22 05:36 PM
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You make a really solid argument, but I don’t think it’s just posies to get worse and worse. Dating is cyclical. I was around 19 when dating apps first came out (tho they were dating websites not apps bc there were no smartphones yet) and everyone used to mock anyone using them. I remember being 23 and teasing my friend about using one until he showed me all the women he was talking to. Then I decided to start using it, and everyone had “I’ll lie about how we met” in their profile. It eventually…
/r/PurplePillDebate10/07/22 05:29 PM
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No, bc those same guys will say “why is she with Bob, I’m a much better choice of Bob for her and I can’t find a woman?” It’s not about chad or Bob or anyone other than themselves. They just selfishly want to have the women, but can’t so they’re bitter.
/r/PurplePillDebate10/07/22 05:02 PM
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True. It’s definitely way way way better than being some sort of ape who wants to harm others physically or mentally abuse/bully others to feel superior. I just meant I don’t think masculinity is in dominating anyone else. It’s more about the self. Working hard, testing yourself, facing things head on, competing in mostly safe ways, accepting responsibility for your life, and confidence. That’s what makes some masculine, not going around throwing hands over any perceived slight. All the guys I’v…
/r/PurplePillDebate10/07/22 04:59 PM
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Yeah it’s just ppl crying about life being unfair, as if that should come as some great surprise to anyone. They aren’t getting sex so they’re frustrated/bitter and when they find out they can have sec but they have to put in a lot of effort they go “well ____ didn’t have to do that so it’s not fair” which, ok it’s not fair in an equal sense but it’s completely fair for a woman to have her own set of standards for who she will sleep with and why. Doesn’t matter how uneven or arbitrary those stan…
/r/PurplePillDebate10/07/22 04:55 PM
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No but you can be a short goblin like bezos and get women for other reasons. Or really funny like bill burr. These are obviously the extremes of personality/wealth but the concept holds up across the board. The better you look, the more financial success you have, the more fame/renown, or the better of a personality you have the more options are available to you. Same holds true for women, it’s just that it’s almost exclusively based on their looks. Average-below average women can get guys to sl…
/r/PurplePillDebate10/07/22 04:43 PM
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I feel like they say that bc they don’t actually get women. It’s bc they think that’s their only chance, and even doing that they have no chance. That’s why they’re bitter RPers. I can see some of the points they try to make, or at least the small truth they start with that they exaggerate to an absurd level and pretend it’s a huge issue, but they’re not living in reality. And frankly I sincerely doubt any woman is giving them the time of day bc their lies are so obvious and they can’t speak to …
/r/PurplePillDebate10/07/22 04:36 PM
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I thinks it’s wanting to be cool masquerading as self improvement. They’re not actually improving themselves, they’re just doing superficial things to get them laid. Not that working on your looks isn’t self improvement, but they’re doing it to get laid instead of to be happy with themselves. And subsequently they can’t find happiness at the end of that road bc all of the “happiness” that could bring has to be given by other ppl. They aren’t happy that they’re better looking and have a successfu…
/r/PurplePillDebate10/07/22 04:31 PM
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Bc they’re living in fantasy land. Which is what happens when you haven’t had success with the opposite sex. You start to imagine what it would be like if you could get one, and you paint this unrealistic image of what an ideal member of the opposite sex would be like. Men do it. Women do it. It’s just weird and pathetic. So they become bitter and start to try to do whatever they can to manipulate their way into what they want, in this case sex, and ultimately end up unhappy bc what they really …
/r/PurplePillDebate10/07/22 04:28 PM
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This can’t be a real question right? I don’t have a vagina, but I can safely say that a person knows when they’re aroused or when sex feels good or not. Also what’s with all the weird virgin fetish shit? “She can’t tell if I’m bad at sex so that’s a plus” is a crazy thing to think. If she knows what she likes she can help by telling you what to do that gets her off, and subsequently the sex is better bc you both know what you’re doing and everyone is having fun. Who likes a virgin woman who lays…
/r/PurplePillDebate10/07/22 04:23 PM
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I don’t think the problem is that men and women are so very different. There’s too much variation within both groups and too many similarities across groups for a generic statement like “men this but women this.” The issue is that it hasn’t been that long since women have started tog sin equality of law/entered the workplace, but we haven’t changed expectations regarding men and women’s roles in dating/society to match up with the shift in other areas. For example the stereotype of the husband d…
/r/PurplePillDebate10/07/22 04:18 PM
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I feel nothing about it, nor do I look for it. Especially with HS/College exes where we were both so young that it’s silly to be bitter about how things turned out. I did have my ex from my longest relationship, prior to getting married, try to reach out via fb years later. Didn’t have pics but had a diff last name and so I denied the friend request, only to have her change her last name back (I’m assuming she had gotten married and it wasn’t going well and that’s why she contacted me) and I chu…
/r/PurplePillDebate10/07/22 04:10 PM
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I don’t know if they’re being selected against. They’re making a conscious choice to not have kids like a moron, and subsequently there are fewer of them, but we don’t fit into Darwin’s selection the same way other species do. We don’t have to have 12 kids to ensure 3-4 of them survive long enough to pass on their genes anymore. We also have self awareness at a diff level than animals, and subsequently reproducing doesn’t mean to us what it means to other animals. A 3 Michelin *restaurant makes …
/r/PurplePillDebate10/07/22 04:05 PM
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I feel like this is more anecdotal. There’s no real stats on how many men lie to get sex. No guy I’ve met has ever said “yeah I’m going to tell her I want to be with her so she will put out” and the guys I know who sleep around 1)don’t care about who a girl has been with before and 2)if they are lying to women for sex aren’t admitting it so I can’t put a number on it. There’s also the case of guys saying something that’s true when they’re worked up, but turns out to be false later on. Or even ju…
/r/PurplePillDebate10/07/22 03:59 PM
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Haha Jesus it never ceases to amaze me when someone had a man say out loud to them that groping is a compliment. I’ve never heard another guy say that, not denying that many men do say it, and it just seems like a spoof of a real person who would actually think that could be a compliment. It’s insane to think there’s a % of the population who think that’s normal.
/r/PurplePillDebate10/07/22 03:53 PM
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Isn’t gym, lifting, martial arts, team sports, or obtaining high status inherently a way of dominating others? In looking better than others, beating them in a competition, or obtaining higher status (you can’t have high status without someone having lower status by definition) just another form of “dominating” I think what you might be meaning to say (correct me if I’m wrong) is you are looking for healthy ways to affirm masculinity. Things more like complimenting/celebrating someone who does r…
/r/PurplePillDebate10/07/22 03:50 PM
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I don’t think most women are relying on the state to take care of them. The majority of women would find being a single mother on welfare to be a failed future. Nor do they look at it as a safety net. All the problems you try to point out are just a consequence of women gaining equal rights and entering the work force, but society not changing expectations of roles in a relationship. If women are earning money now the expectation is the guy has to earn more than her. So men who don’t earn a lot …
/r/PurplePillDebate10/07/22 03:45 PM
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Who knows. I doubt it only bc it feels like the men who would choose to take hormones in order to breastfeed would already be 0% likely to abandon their kids or not bond with them. The ones who would be likely to abandon their kids would already not agree to do that so it would be pointless anyway. You can bond with your kids in so many other ways that you’d only be doing it to be able to say you did it. No dad who doesn’t care about his kids is going to agree tot ale hormones and breastfeed.
/r/PurplePillDebate10/07/22 03:29 PM
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I think this comes from more than just some arbitrary expectations that men are shit. Men are less likely to share their emotions, so you don’t get a lot of “my wife did this sweet thing for me” but, in my experience at least, if someone’s girl does something nice for them we all say “oh he is lucky” as if it’s not what you’d normally expect. I don’t even think women do all these sweet things regularly compared to men. There’s no evidence to suggest that women do acts of kindness more often than…
/r/PurplePillDebate10/07/22 03:26 PM
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I can’t say if that’s true or not. Seems like a reasonable guess, but that’s just what it is: a guess. I just don’t see how it’s a men’s issue and not a communication issue.
/r/PurplePillDebate10/07/22 03:13 PM
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I mean, obvious bitterness in your post aside, this isn’t really saying anything profound. Yeah I’m a relationship you should talk about household duties openly. My now wife and I had to talk bc we both felt the division was uneven, and once we sat down and really looked at what the other was doing we didn’t end up having to change much (she was doing all the big cleaning stuff but I was cooking/doing the dishes/all the trash and recycling/the bathroom) and really it just needed an adult convers…
/r/PurplePillDebate10/07/22 02:06 PM
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See so you personally values financials over other things, tho sounds like you valued a lot of other things too and found them so that’s great. For me, although my wife makes about the same (could be more since she’s a nurse depending on if she wants to do OT or not) I make enough to be comfortable and wouldn’t care if my wife made way less. I only would care that she didn’t work if we still split household responsibilities like we do. But that’s to my point, as a guy I don’t care bc I have alwa…
/r/PurplePillDebate08/07/22 11:13 PM
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Fair, but also you can’t deny that you having a child and the father not being with you still is a red flag for prospective men. Just as you have the right to say no for money, or frankly any other reasons you feel suit you, many men who make more than you don’t want to be with someone with someone else’s kid. So your options are also limited. Just how it works out. I’ll put it in your terms: many of us have worked hard to not have kids before marriage or a failed marriage, and we don’t want to …
/r/PurplePillDebate08/07/22 10:52 PM
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Haha fair enough, I’m not invested either way as I have a good job and am married. The other side of that would be for men to also adopt that strategy and not marry women who don’t earn as much as them. I imagine that would be the other half of this issue. If women with low income were looked upon the same way as guys with low income then it would free up more men in your income bracket. Tho I’m not sure how much you make that you’d have to lower your standard of living if the man made less than…
/r/PurplePillDebate08/07/22 10:08 PM
2

There is a level of “we women have these inequalities that aren’t cared about so we don’t care about yours” that tends to happen to both sides of the argument. I don’t think the answer is anything close to gov stepping in (and I don’t think any rational person would suggest that as a solution) as much as the solution is what the womens side claims to want anyway: a change in societal norms. Part of having women as equals in the workforce/society as a whole would be removing the norm that the man…
/r/PurplePillDebate08/07/22 08:02 PM
1

I thought the whole “don’t like ____ then move” argument was debunked back when it’s most popular version was “if America is so bad then move back to Africa”
/r/PurplePillDebate08/07/22 02:44 PM
3

Bc women are more likely to have the kids, which are likely an impediment to having time to find someone new. They’re being good mothers who focus on their kids, and subsequently that means they’ve sacrificed some of their own time and desires. The husband has no custody and is free to have time to date I’d guess.
/r/PurplePillDebate08/07/22 12:34 PM
1

Haha men will never group together enough to make anyone care. All I heard when I read your post about the story was “if you went to that mixer you could’ve cleaned up while other guys were being too scared to act.” Not sayings it’s right but it is what it is
/r/PurplePillDebate08/07/22 02:31 AM
5

Yes it is. The same way it’s reasonable o expect ppl to not steal, rape, or kill even if they’re hungry, horny, or angry. I grew up awkward af and was rejected anytime I tried (which was rare bc awkward) then decided to put myself out there and bombed over and over with few exceptions here and there. Then eventually got more comfortable with rejection and better with confidence. You’re just not trying and using the excuse that it’s harder for you. Maybe it is. Some guys don’t have to work for it…
/r/PurplePillDebate24/06/22 10:07 PM
37

Bruh this is why I’m always saying gay men teamed up with straight women. Gay women need to team up with straight men bc we share a lot of the same struggles.
/r/PurplePillDebate14/06/22 09:55 PM
5

I’m not sure about this whole alpha/beta nonsense, but typically a person who is trying to make the other person like them isn’t going to be “making the rules” and will likely break their own “rules” to get the other persons affection. It’s not some weird alpha/beta thing, it’s just about how much the girl likes you.
/r/PurplePillDebate24/05/22 02:49 PM
4

Going just for looks is fine for hookups but for relationships, doesn’t matter how hot the other person is, eventually the newness of sleeping with this particular hot person wears off and the looks don’t mean anything. Then if there’s nothing else there it just falls apart. Not that they stop being attractive, just that it stops being the big deal it seemed to be when it was newer.
/r/PurplePillDebate18/05/22 02:22 AM
2

It’s not that I don’t care, what kind of an insane person sleeps with someone and doesn’t want them to enjoy it too? That’s essentially viewing the girl as a cum dumpster and it’s a bit gross tbh. I think it’s more that if it’s a one night stand that I’m keeping things more vanilla in general. Lack of comfortability with the person you’re sleeping with means you’re not likely getting as wild as you might with someone you know well. Also generally (maybe in my experience not pleasuring one night …
/r/PurplePillDebate23/04/22 11:38 AM
1

That stone thing always confuses me. I just picture putting someone on one of those 2 sided scales and stacking them against stones.
/r/PurplePillDebate27/02/22 02:31 PM
1

Yeah it’s possible to love someone and do any number of horrible things to them. No one can tell you how you feel, it just means that your love is worthless. If it won’t stop you from cheating or being abusive then you love has no value to that person.
/r/PurplePillDebate27/02/22 02:25 PM
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Not a woman, but I’d bet the house that the women who choose to be childless are perfectly happy about it. The ones who are childless against their desire might be sad, but broken is a bit much to assign without sufficient evidence.
/r/PurplePillDebate27/02/22 05:14 AM
4

It doesn’t exist, you haven’t proven it at all. All you’ve done is say it exists and ask why.
/r/PurplePillDebate28/12/21 02:10 PM
1

Haha ok
/r/PurplePillDebate07/12/21 11:47 AM
2

Agreed. Most ppl aren’t watching nothing but educational programming. So I still say it stands that’s Reddit is no more or less empty than most tv or games. It’s just another entertainment source.
/r/PurplePillDebate06/12/21 03:54 PM
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Yeah but most of the stuff watched on TV isn’t stuff you learn from. Let’s be honest here.
/r/PurplePillDebate06/12/21 03:20 PM
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No more or less valuable than watching TV or playing video games.
/r/PurplePillDebate06/12/21 11:43 AM
2

Yeah that’s some strange cognitive dissonance there if someone’s thinking that. But crazy ppl gonna crazy, and if they want to make themselves miserable then good on them I guess
/r/PurplePillDebate27/11/21 11:53 PM
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If you mean that we are a product of our parents relationship which is a product of the times they’re born into then yeah that’s accurate, and frankly who cares. Tho I think it’s less likely that all women hated their husbands than it is that ppl married for similar reasons to arranged marriages. And it was just different not any more or less of value. I think the problem is mostly that some individuals value themselves too highly. “This guy is beneath me I won’t be with someone like him. The gu…
/r/PurplePillDebate27/11/21 11:31 PM
1

That’s wildly untrue. But not everyone will just bang whenever wherever. But yeah I know of many girls/guys who hooked up with someone they didn’t know bc they just wanted to have fun, or even bc they thought they would get to know and like each other but didn’t want to wait for that point to have sex.
/r/PurplePillDebate08/10/21 01:45 PM
2

I would be able to do that, if I was single, but it doesn’t mean I 100% would in all situations. But yeah that’s what sexual attraction is, the desire to have sex with someone. But it’s not as if everyone fucks anyone willing to fuck then whenever they want.
/r/PurplePillDebate08/10/21 01:41 PM
3

You’re right, you’d get nothing from dating men. We will take the hit and let you be alone forever. Will try not to weep too much for our loss…..
/r/PurplePillDebate17/09/21 02:11 PM
3

Men ARE the gatekeepers of relationships. That doesn’t mean all men have access to any relationship they want, just as women being the gatekeepers of sex doesn’t mean all women can sleep with any man the want, it just means that women aren’t the deciders of relationships, men are. We are the proposers, we are the ones who demonstrate our value to be “chosen” after which they’ve decided to be with us. Yes as things have changed and sexual liberation for women happened you have found more women op…
/r/PurplePillDebate14/09/21 02:26 PM
1

I won’t argue that it can’t be useful in the right situation, bc I’m sure you can find some example of how it’s useful. But saying it’s necessary makes me think you’ve never had a real successful relationship with anyone. If you’re going to say it’s wrong to say porn is 100% in all situations detrimental to a relationship then it goes without saying that saying it’s necessary is also an absurd argument.
/r/PurplePillDebate15/08/21 04:02 PM
7

Haha can’t be mad at him
/r/WhereAreAllTheGoodMen31/07/21 02:07 AM
31

Hahaha nothing else. This is like going up to someone and asking for $1 million but then saying they would get nothing back. It’s absurd
/r/WhereAreAllTheGoodMen29/07/21 01:04 PM
2

Hahaha fair enough
/r/PurplePillDebate25/07/21 11:20 PM
3

What do you mean emasculated men lol, you should prob be specific and not weirdly vague. Also if you’re saying women don’t like dominant masculine men, let’s be honest bc you can’t get women, then maybe you’re not dominant or masculine. Being an ape isn’t dominant or masculine. Being confidant and secure in yourself is. Maybe you’re being insecure and overcompensating and lacking any ability of self reflection and that’s why they find you unattractive and standoffish. But who knows maybe you’re …
/r/PurplePillDebate25/07/21 08:13 PM
3

Why vet anyone based on looks. Women can’t help it when they’re ugly as sin. It’s what we all do bro, and online ppl hold stupid criteria even harder for some reason. Just gotta accept it and move on. Or lie and hope she doesn’t care lol
/r/PurplePillDebate21/07/21 01:33 AM
1

That’s true, tho I think you can make arguments about what is immoral or bad for society being functional and thus the species being successful. Lying about intentions and manipulating people you’re dating to get what you want from them is bad, and has consequences for dating as a whole. Communal parenting is wrong in that it’s not sustainable in a big population. Wrong not necessarily morally but as incorrect way to set up society being as successful as possible
/r/PurplePillDebate14/07/21 05:33 PM
5

That’s bc there is nothing inherently wrong with dating multiple people. We could debate on the cons of sleeping with multiple people, but I think we would agree it’s prob not the best idea and for STDs safeness I always avoided that, or at what point dating multiple people becomes mean or harmful, but I think that depends more on how honest or deceitful you’re being with who you’re dating. I do disagree that seeing multiple people is wrong, or is somehow going about dating incorrectly or in a w…
/r/PurplePillDebate14/07/21 11:54 AM
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I know you didn’t say that. Lol bro you’re getting upset at something I didn’t say, or imply. I’m not sure what your definition of unremarkable is, but most ppl if they workout properly, and eat reasonably healthy will have a body anyone would say is fit. Not ripped or jacked or whatever but everyone would agree they’re attractive and in shape. That was my all I said. That and that OP saying one body type is attractive to women and tons of diff ones are attractive to men sounds backwards to the …
/r/PurplePillDebate13/07/21 11:47 AM
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Yeah I think that’s a good call. Let me know how it works out after!
/r/PurplePillDebate13/07/21 11:36 AM
1

Haha sorry to shit on me? Are you real person talking to me right now? That’s a hilarious way to talk and think about yourself. Apparently you either can’t see beyond your own bitterness, or just missed my point. Not everything is an attack on you personally guy. Calm down. I didn’t say anyone could have the “perfect body” easily or even at all. If you think people need steroids to be in shape you’re wrong. I’m not talking some unrealistic celebrity with nothing to do but spend money on personal…
/r/PurplePillDebate13/07/21 02:22 AM
2

Yeah if you don’t like it at al I’m sure it’s a brutal chore to do. But then all things in life are luck. Looks aren’t something you choose. Your intelligence level? Nope you didn’t pick that. Ppl who were raised to value hard work? Nope didn’t choose that that. Genetics aren’t a choice you can make, and to be honest much of nurture is well beyond your control too.
/r/PurplePillDebate12/07/21 07:04 PM
3

Haha no worries I get what you mean. If you’re not born good looking you’re sort of stuck. Or if you’re under the arbitrary height limit some women have then you’ll have trouble as well. Also working out isn’t easy, I’m just saying from OPs perspective only having one type of body to match to be “attractive” is simpler. But seemed like OP was trying to say the opposite.
/r/PurplePillDebate12/07/21 06:52 PM
1

Yeah those are exceptions. I mean in terms of what OP said about finding body types attractive
/r/PurplePillDebate12/07/21 06:45 PM
3

I don’t know about you, but I don’t find the majority of women attractive. I definitely wouldn’t date 50% of the women I’ve seen
/r/PurplePillDebate12/07/21 06:45 PM
3

If anything, that sounds like a bonus for guys. We only have one thing to shoot for, where girls could have the type of body some guys like, but they won’t know what the guy they like has as his preference for body type. Granted being skinny is easier than being ripped, so yeah a girl can have a “good body” somewhat easier, but at least if we work out we know we will have the body type all girls like. Simple and easy.
/r/PurplePillDebate12/07/21 03:01 PM
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Ive never understood why many of us men are too stupid to explain it, or at least without it being some judgmental type “it’s too easy for women and hard for men” thing, but here is where you’re being confused. Guys do not judge you for putting out right away, we just know we aren’t special and this wasn’t the first time it happened. The only guys that leave a girl for that is the ones who are just lying and manipulating their way into sex and leaving right after. The guys that leave after a few…
/r/PurplePillDebate12/07/21 01:43 PM
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Yeah MGTOW is a reactionary thing fueled by spite and bitterness at ones own lack of effectiveness in the current system of social mating habits. For all their talk of where the feminist type goes wrong, they become the other side of the coin. They thing they seem to hate, and it’s just an odd thing. Like the feminist (calm down I’m not saying all but there are plenty who are this way) who is hateful and spiteful of men being a bitter, and frankly pathetic reaction filled with bitterness. You he…
/r/PurplePillDebate12/07/21 01:25 AM
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That shouldn’t be surprising news. It’s never been that women don’t value looks just as much as men do, it’s that they ALSO value other things as much or higher. I’ve never met a single girl who has talked her way into some dick. Never heard of a girl who got a guy who previously said they had no interest in them to change their mind bc she was so funny or cool. And that’s not bc women aren’t funny or cool, it’s bc we don’t care about those things when it comes to women we aren’t attracted to. B…
/r/PurplePillDebate12/07/21 01:20 AM
1

Taking advantage I wouldn’t even say is lies of omission as in not saying you just want casual sex. But it’s definitely any implication that you want more than that but then leaving as soon as you sleep with her. And if asked directly any deflection or hiding of the truth is taking advantage. But if it’s never brought up or asked I don’t think you need to run around spelling it out. There’s something classless and just off putting about telling a girl “I’m only going to want sex from you” when i…
/r/PurplePillDebate12/07/21 01:17 AM
1

Well women have the opposite expectation of it’s bad if they have too much experience. It seems to be due to picking up women being a challenge to an extent, while women getting a guy to sleep with her is not impressive. It shows a lack of self control for the woman really. Now if a girl has had 0 relationship experience that’s a really bad sign bc she can’t get a guy to stay which is super hard, whereas if a guy is serially in relationships that’s a bad sign bc it’s quite easy to get a girl to …
/r/PurplePillDebate12/07/21 01:05 AM
3

Yeah I don’t know why someone would get mad at that. Reminds me of some post I saw where a woman was asking where to find guys who earn $750K+ a year and some guy who earned that replied calling her a bad long term investment. She was talking about how much hotter she was than some rich guys wives, and didn’t understand it. Maybe these HVM were dating the women before they became fully “high value” and thus she was supportive and there for him when it wasn’t so easy to be. THAT holds more weight…
/r/PurplePillDebate12/07/21 01:01 AM
1

Maybe, in the way that ladies night at bars is “sexist” it’s really not with the intention to be shutting someone out based on sex, so I wouldn’t call it sexist as intention does matter. It’s just I’d imagine if single guys could come it would be mostly single guys, likely some of which no one wants to sleep with, and then nothing would happen. No one would come back. Never been to a sex club, but I’d imagine it’s like ladies night: if women come to a bar there will for sure be men there. If men…
/r/PurplePillDebate11/07/21 02:05 PM
1

Yeah i think Amy argument that one gender are “better people” than the other is inherently flawed. We don’t even have a standard definition of what that means that all people can accept. We just have baseline things that we all would call bad, but we don’t have some ranking system. I think socialization has both sides “better and worse” in different areas. Men’s feelings are supposed to be kept in check which can lead to more selflessness AND more cold heartedness. More aggressive “take what’s m…
/r/PurplePillDebate11/07/21 01:53 PM
1

More just something funny by a really funny guy. Wouldn’t take it too seriously
/r/seduction10/07/21 10:31 PM
21

The old Patrice O’Neal trick of changing it to a 1-30 scale. 1-10 ugly women. 11-20 average women 21-30 hot women. Maybe she was a ten but now she’s a 25 which is just average for a hot chick.
/r/seduction10/07/21 08:20 PM
1

Yeah but you can’t know for sure any data about whether or not that means they’re not attracted to 4/5 of the population of men. Especially given that women are attracted to a wide variety of things
/r/PurplePillDebate09/07/21 07:13 PM
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A lot of that doesn’t sound like actual logic though. Basing a relationship in practicality is smart, but you have to acknowledge first that attraction is part of that practicality. If you’re not attracted to someone it’s not logical to date them. That’s incredibly illogical. Men trying to be the best partner “practically” should understand that caring about their feelings and making them feel desired and desire you back is a logical choice. You’re just mixing up bad logic with being logical. Pe…
/r/PurplePillDebate09/07/21 05:51 PM
1

Men don’t ONLY want sex. It’s better described as “we don’t only want sex but if that’s what’s offered we sure as hell are happy to take it” With dating, since women are the choosers typically, men pursue and try to demonstrate their value as a potential partner. Often times this becomes so extreme that the woman is just trying to decide if the guy is worth it and isn’t doing much to present herself as a good potential partner. Then if she concludes he “passes” and decides to sleep with him she …
/r/PurplePillDebate09/07/21 05:44 PM
1

Unless you’ve had the exclusivity conversation then nothing is really owed to the other person. Personally I always told girls I’m fine with it but we need to be up front with each other if we’re having sex with other people bc that’s how STDs come along. They’re free to sleep with any guys or as many guys as they want, and I’m free to not sleep with them bc I don’t know where everyone has been and what they’re all doing. Always worked out for me being honest and up front with women.
/r/PurplePillDebate09/07/21 05:29 PM
3

Yeah it’s the same concept as when a guy won’t go on more dates if the girl is sleeping with him. If some other girl is willing to, and he wants to go find that girl then it is what it is. If you’re gonna be mad, which you shouldn’t, be mad at the guys willing to pay for everything bc they’re the ones offering more than you. Can’t really fault a woman for choosing the guy paying for everything over the guy paying for nothing. Most people would choose that all other things being equal. If you don…
/r/PurplePillDebate09/07/21 05:26 PM
1

It’s just some dumb cliche, and like other dumb cliches, is based on some small truths and becomes a generalization. It essentially means that when you keep pressuring someone who doesn’t want you it is a turn off. And when they can no longer have you, or have time to date others and see that you were really good to them, that that is when (if at all) they would come back. They won’t come back when they think they want out and you try to not let them and bother them.
/r/PurplePillDebate09/07/21 05:10 PM
1

While it is an interesting look at the past, and while there are always lessons to be learned from previous societies, it’s ridiculous to think we should base our society around previous ones. We have a completely different understanding of reality than even 100 years ago. To try to use old ways of thinking would be absurd, and just because we haven’t perfected society yet does not mean we should try to copy some imperfect society of the past. The problem isn’t that we don’t have all of the anti…
/r/PurplePillDebate09/07/21 05:08 PM
1

This sounds like some weird fantasy where a guy wants all women to be into other women. Or someone who is a lesbian wanting to convince straight women that men aren’t the right choice lol
/r/PurplePillDebate09/07/21 04:47 PM
1

Yeah those MGTOW guys are just resentful and angry. They’re what they say “feminazis” are but in reverse, and on some level that’s worse to become the thing you say is bad. You can recognize it’s bad in others but then become it yourself? Then tell the other side THEY need to change so that it’s better for you? It’s hilariously misguided and frankly just has solved no problems ever. Even calling guys who have many options “chads” is just sad and bitter. Many of those guys would be the “Chad” if …
/r/PurplePillDebate09/07/21 04:12 PM
3

You can’t really say “how much is real and how much is pretending they don’t care” as it would come down to a case by case basis. Humans aren’t the same, and when you group people together by some specific set of criteria and try to apply generalizations to them it doesn’t really work. Yeah you can come to some conclusions, but it doesn’t work when applied to an individual. TL:DR is that there is more variance per individuals of the same group than there is amongst two different groups. Let’s pr…
/r/PurplePillDebate09/07/21 02:54 PM
1

Haha it didn’t happen in the 1900s tho so that theory that women are only attracted to 20% of men doesn’t hold up. The species wouldn’t have grown so quickly if that were the case. And women can’t tell someone’s libido by just looking at them. I agree that you shouldn’t blame women for all of the issue, as much of it is due to the “20%” you mentioned having enough options that they won’t settle down and pick one and that keeps the problem going. So if you can’t blame men for using women just for…
/r/PurplePillDebate09/07/21 02:37 PM
6

It’s not about raising (def not lowering) standards at all. It’s about reevaluating what standards are. With women being in the workplace, as they should let’s not have that ridiculous debate where someone says women shouldn’t be allowed to do something, and gaining financial independence, they find that the more successful they are the fewer options that are available to them. Since many men/women can’t handle the guy making less than them or seeming to be “below their level” so to speak, it le…
/r/PurplePillDebate09/07/21 02:10 PM
4

I think your point 1 is really all that needs to be said. All people treat other people differently based on how much they like them, and early on how attractive they find them, and while being bothered by that is understandable you can’t reasonably expect a woman to treat all guys the same at all times. If a girl has changed her mind about hookups you can’t be mad at her wanting to wait now. You CAN say you won’t be with someone with a past of many hookups and that’s your right, but guys need t…
/r/PurplePillDebate09/07/21 01:13 PM
3

Yeah I’ve never thought, or heard from a guy friend “she is so cool and funny but she won’t sleep with me so I’m ending it” Like the line from the old Patrice O’Neal joke: I don’t want just pussy, but if that’s all you have I’ll take it. Sounds harsh but if a guy leaves you for not sleeping with him it’s either he’s just trying to use you for sex or you didn’t offer him any reason to like you for you. And it’s a hard truth that it’s likely closer to 50/50 than 100/0 on that. I agree with OP that…
/r/PurplePillDebate09/07/21 12:56 PM
3

As a guy I can say we don’t typically care if a girl “makes us wait” or whatever you want to call it, as long as it’s not in some make us interview for position of guy you think is good enough to be with. If there’s an even exchange of trying to show your value and be likable then we actually find those to be the girlfriend material type. Obv if a guy just wants sex he won’t like it, but it would weed those out. What happens sometimes is a girl acts like we should be proving ourselves as boyfrie…
/r/PurplePillDebate09/07/21 01:36 AM
4

Yeah it can work that way for sure. It’s like most things, a mix of confidence and understanding the mood and knowing that the date has been going well. You’re not rubbing her thighs like a creep or saying you’re gonna bang her, but it is enough to sort of disarm them and remove the tension from the situation, and it still leaves the spontaneity in the actual kiss unlike asking for direct consent before kissing her.
/r/seduction21/06/21 10:16 PM
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For number 21 I’ve found saying to a girl, and let’s be clear you should be aware that the date is going well if your going to say it and say it in a fun playful way, “im going to kiss you later” is a good way to set that up and make her feel more comfortable with the moment. It also makes her the good kind of nervous bc it can be an awkward subject to bring up, but then it takes the awkwardness out of the situation because you’ve essentially figured out if you’re both cool with it without some …
/r/seduction21/06/21 07:39 PM
1

100% this. At best a female employee wrote it bc she likes to send uplifting messages to people.
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