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It is because you aren't reading the other arguments. You're focusing on the ones where someone is called bigot and trying to project that to all arguments. It is illogical.
/r/MensRights30/09/11 06:12 PM
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It is a hard sell. It's probably one of the most difficult positions to defend that I support, but I try to have very good reasons for it. I also understand that with proper medical treatment and without discrimination, that quite a number of people (myself included) would have dealt with this before puberty, which makes it, in my eyes, more of a non-issue. If no one acquires the label "male" then acquiring the label "female" later probably wouldn't seem so bad to many. Ironically though, the on…
/r/MensRights20/09/11 02:43 PM
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I advocated reality, where some people are in-between. But it wont be /r/MR that decides / defines that. (Nor was it I.) As I pointed out, "women" is big enough for people with intersex conditions, and it does include them, especially post treatment. Personally I remember you trolling many trans threads.
/r/MensRights20/09/11 02:08 PM
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True, there are lots of ways to define it. There are lots of classification systems and attempts. But what about a generally accepted medical definition? For that I tend to refer to sports testing, as it's the only place I know of where people have actually tried to do it. http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Gender_verification_in_sports The end result of the whole thing being that they now consider post-transition women to be women and they allow them to compete as such.
/r/MensRights20/09/11 04:28 AM
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True, you can't argue that. But I didn't say they were the same. And my views weren't deleted, just dismissed and ignored, while I was attacked personally. I was bringing up the topic for others.
/r/MensRights20/09/11 04:25 AM
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I see, when you can't come up with a reason for your beliefs, you switch to personal attacks. I think you're done now. Thanks. (Maybe not with the personal attacks, but clearly you're done with logic.)
/r/MensRights20/09/11 12:57 AM
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Women, as a group, are varied enough to include intersex people. That doesn't mean they have to be in that group, but they can certainly qualify -- including those who have transitioned. The reason for transition has more to do with discrimination and poor medical care than anything else. Without discrimination and with proper medical care, many people that you would call transsexuals would never have picked up the label.
/r/MensRights20/09/11 12:52 AM
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"by the XY sex determination system" which is known to be inaccurate in humans. Nowadays, gender verification tests typically involve evaluation by gynecologists, endocrinologists, psychologists, and internal medicine specialists. http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Gender_verification_in_sports And as I already pointed out, there are lots of intersex conditions with 1 in 100 effected. Picking one isn't right. Edit: And clearly, narrowing your definition to one flawed determination system is narrowing.…
/r/MensRights20/09/11 12:37 AM
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Intersex conditions happen. Welcome to reality. Narrowing your definition to exclude them is unnecessarily discriminatory. This is why the medical community doesn't do that. You're more than what is between your legs, even when it comes to sex. (That would be another reason the medical community doesn't agree with you.)
/r/MensRights19/09/11 11:43 PM
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The way physical sex presents itself and is defined in humans does not agree with you. Feel free to take that up with reality. :)
/r/MensRights19/09/11 11:40 PM
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The medical community made that point -- not me. Argue with them, QED.
/r/MensRights19/09/11 11:25 PM
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And yet, the only truth you have pointed to is popularity. I have pointed to "the reality of human existence and its careful study." Good luck with your psychiatric hospital visits.
/r/MensRights19/09/11 10:49 PM
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In your opinion, they may be more toxic. Regardless, their toxicity doesn't justify your toxicity -- at any level. "But they did it too" doesn't work for kids either. Further if you look at my history, I am clearly dealing with BOTH. So shouldn't YOU be focusing on someone/thing else?
/r/MensRights19/09/11 10:34 PM
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That you keep trying to attach your judgment of other people's sanity to your argument says more than enough about you and your position.
/r/MensRights19/09/11 10:27 PM
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How so? And don't just be trolling me again.
/r/MensRights19/09/11 10:27 PM
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Just because surgery and hormones came around in the last century doesn't change the definition of man and woman. Medical treatments advance through time as does our understand of humanity/man/woman. And that understanding has advanced to the point where we know women who have transitioned are still women. We know enough about intersex conditions that we don't discriminate. That will never change everyone's mind. Even the KKK still exists. But it's enough to say that your beliefs are not based i…
/r/MensRights19/09/11 09:49 PM
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I say so, and most people have the same understanding, as is quite natural and sane. Most people? No, sorry. This is you pretending reality is something it is not. Which is fine, many do it. (maybe even most) But it doesn't make them right. Edit: If you think popularity should change your mind, consider your negative popularity here. If you look at how man/woman is actually defined in human beings, it's not as simple as you would like to make it out to be. And the people that study such things s…
/r/MensRights19/09/11 09:40 PM
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A trans woman is a woman. Transgender is not an identity -- at best it's something you go through. 1 in 100 people have some sort of gender issue, whether they know it or not. (And many don't.) To pick one of those issues and say that these people are ok to discriminate against is not right. It's a medical issue. You deal with it and move on with your life. You don't become it. The reason that there is a community at all has everything to do with discrimination -- not identity. Further, you don'…
/r/MensRights19/09/11 09:23 PM
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And yet you pick one that is to be moderator? Not smart.
/r/MensRights19/09/11 09:19 PM
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That is no justification for AnnArchist at all. Without even worrying about the validity of your claim, it's clear two wrongs don't make a right.
/r/MensRights19/09/11 09:18 PM
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If the criteria is beating women, then I think their claim is rather valid. There are other things linked there that appear extremely relevant and valid as well. Maybe you should consider responding to people's ideas rather than trying to judge the ideas? How else are you going to foster agreement for everything else? And yeah, some people are critical of /r/MR. But being uncritical would be far worse. FTA: He refers to women as “whores” and “cum dumpsters.” He’s boasted about “persuading” girls…
/r/MensRights19/09/11 09:14 PM
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You don't have the right to determine what other people are for them. If you want to believe otherwise in your head, feel free. No one can stop you. (I hope.) But since I had discussed this in the subreddit already, it seems telling that trans women are only considered worth defending so long as it opposes feminism. When it comes time to actually support equality, they fall short. It's not just you either; it's also the topic of this whole thread. And I know you don't represent all of /r/MR. But…
/r/MensRights19/09/11 08:59 PM
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And this subreddit tried telling me that it's friendly toward women, including those who have transitioned. This reminds me of /r/feminisms suddenly.
/r/MensRights19/09/11 03:28 PM
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Short answer? Medical. I've had a few discussions about that recently if you want to read: http://www.reddit.com/r/AskReddit/comments/kiv55/what_common_misconception_annoys_you/c2kpmi5
/r/MensRights19/09/11 04:05 AM
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Thanks. I actually tend to avoid reading what rad fems write due to my past experience with them. I consider it a trigger to lots of emotional hardship that I don't like to deal with. (They treated me that poorly, and at the time trans issues weren't as well understood medically.) It's why I consider it so important for others who are strong enough to be able to have a voice.
/r/MensRights19/09/11 12:36 AM
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I've personally discussed trans topics with some people from this subreddit. I don't remember it being particularly affirming. In fact, I remember the opposite. But then again, I tend to assert quite strongly that trans women are women, not women*. But I do know that not everyone here is like that either, and that there is some merit to things said here. Edit: And just to be specific, I think the most valid, important claim you folks have made is that men are not given adequate access/rights to …
/r/MensRights18/09/11 10:50 PM
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Wow. Thanks. LOL. I don't agree with all the divisions or arguments here, but in this case they are clearly trying to use "male privilege" and "male socialization" as a club to silence dissent, which isn't right. And the kind of privilege that anyone could rightly call out as wrong can come from anywhere, including the privilege of sucking up to the mods apparently. Edit: And I am sure you guys are noticing now that your posts are being deleted while QueerCoup's are staying up, no matter how obv…
/r/MensRights18/09/11 07:41 PM
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A fear, disgust or hatred of transexuals is transphobia http://www.reddit.com/r/AskReddit/comments/j7mrr/most_hurtful_thing_another_person_has_ever_said/c29tldx I'm fairly disgusted with trannies in general, and getting mistaken for one just hurts the pride. Don't support trolls.
/r/MensRights09/08/11 06:02 PM
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Good for you and the majority here, but trans people are still going to disagree. There is no good reason for them to be forced to wear a pink triangle for the rest of their lives; they're men/women just like everyone else. (Unless they aren't, then they will likely have to mention it.) We don't do this to people with other medical conditions, unless they're contagious. There is no reason to discriminate like that based on this condition, and there is no reason for them to participate in communi…
/r/MensRights18/07/11 05:45 PM
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On #10: MtF transsexual women not undergoing surgery do so for many reasons, and it's quite often simply due to lack of access. Regardless it certainly isn't about having the guts to do it. It takes more guts to transition than it does to have surgery. Whatever you may think of trans people they're certainly not cowards, regardless of surgeries. And trying to deny someone their identity because you don't agree with them is a little silly, and it doesn't add to your points.
/r/MensRights02/06/11 10:17 AM
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He is trying to look quite feminine. And they ranked him as the 98th sexiest woman, which he was trying to look like. In essence, they paid him a major compliment. There is no standard manner to perform masculinity in the first place, and I think he shows that. Nor is there anything negative about being a woman. Whoever is worried about who is and "isn't really a man" is where the problem truly lies. (Because real men can't/don't/shouldn't... etc, etc, etc)
/r/MensRights01/06/11 02:45 PM
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There are a number of gay people that would support ending government regulation of marriage, even the some of the people "complaining." And I don't think "jealous" is quite an accurate description. Are you jealous when you can't be by your partner's side in the hospital without being legally married?
/r/MensRights30/05/11 03:37 PM
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Why would it be a slap in the face? There is nothing negative about women or being one, is there?
/r/MensRights30/05/11 03:27 PM
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Right, and I would consider both scenarios clumsy. That is what I was talking about. You can ask certain questions without asking directly. So many people in MR have taken it upon themselves to remind me of what distinguishes me from other women that I am sure you can find something to ask and in a much smoother way. Or you can find some way to express your feelings without asking at all. But if you're dealing with someone with a female brain as well as female secondary and primary sex character…
/r/MensRights12/05/11 05:38 AM
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Yes. Do you have to say it that clumsily? No.
/r/MensRights11/05/11 11:15 PM
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I don't actually think all. If I implied that, then my apologies. But that is still a popular sentiment. Not all trans people agree with me either. Edit: Also, you're saying "many" in cases where you can only show 1.
/r/MensRights10/05/11 07:02 PM
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Funny, I think we have learned a few things too. Here is what /r/MR thinks about it when a man lies to a woman to obtain sex: (As in actually lies, which is much different from a trans person existing and having relationships without wearing their pink triangle.) (From the top comments.) "Your emotions can't be stolen and your trust was given away." "No you gave your consent to someone claiming to be Kam Ali, a bachelor. He was under no duty to be honest to you." "The guy lied so, at most, he's …
/r/MensRights10/05/11 03:51 PM
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There is nothing about them that is a deception or a lie so there is no reason to tell to begin with when it comes to sex.
/r/MensRights09/05/11 05:18 AM
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There is nothing about being a trans person that is a deception or lie. If you have a belief or prejudice and you fail to express it, you can't expect other people to know. If it is so vital to you to get to know people that well first, so well as to know extremely personal information that has no effect on you, then they should know you well enough to know about your prejudice as well. If you fail to express it, then by your own logic you are telling a lie of omission.
/r/MensRights09/05/11 05:02 AM
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This is one of the truest statements here. It's a shame so many people here disagree with you, believing they have the right to know very personal information that can only affect them so far as they themselves allow it while withholding their prejudiced beliefs out of some sort of sense of entitlement. And I don't see any reason for trans women to help perpetuate the mark of shame that so many people wish for them to wear.
/r/MensRights09/05/11 04:59 AM
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Your example is not applicable as trans people aren't pretending or deceiving. (Or manipulating people to gain something they want only to ditch that person once they have it.) Trans women really are women. Trans men really are men. They are just living their lives like everyone else. It isn't even trans people spreading the misconception that they are fake. Yet they are getting blamed for it and asked to bear some sort of mark of shame for the sake of others, for the rest of their lives. The tr…
/r/MensRights09/05/11 04:37 AM
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No one is able to respect preferences you don't express.
/r/MensRights09/05/11 04:28 AM
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I didn't know that.
/r/MensRights25/02/11 11:34 PM
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"It's pseudoscience because of the misrepresentations" They aren't misrepresenting any results, and you haven't shown any results to be misrepresented. You just say they are misrepresentations, and the only proof of that you have given is your disapproval. "Hysterectomies are typically..." but not always? "Whay physiological differences?" I already gave you links. "...you certainly do not speak for all of them..." True, there is about a .5% of people that go through transition that end up regret…
/r/MensRights25/02/11 04:27 PM
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If what you say is true, that "our bodies are what we are and who we are," why are our brains not part of our bodies? I happen to think it's the most important part. You aren't telling me the facts of trans people's existence. You're talking about how you feel about them. You aren't sharing with me evidence, you're labeling people, using straw men and ad hominims. What evidence do you have that trans people are wrong? What studies are you talking about? What people? The lack of specifics says it…
/r/MensRights25/02/11 05:14 AM
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This isn't political correctness. Trans men/women have been shown to have the brains of men/women. That is a bit stronger than just identifying... And turning one set of working genitalia into another set is not mutilation. (And if you mention reproduction, people surgically remove themselves from that game all the time.) Also, if you did any research at all, you would know therapy is not effective for gender identity. Also, labeling people and calling them ignorant because they disagree with yo…
/r/MensRights25/02/11 03:57 AM
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How is it morally dubious? What poor rationalizations are you talking about?
/r/MensRights25/02/11 03:04 AM
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It's a trans related thread. Expect 6_o harassment in 3...2...1...
/r/MensRights25/02/11 01:25 AM
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http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Rape_by_deception It was about ethnicity and the fact that the man lied and said he was unmarried. Oh, and this was the plea bargain from the original charges. (Read below or click above.) FTA: "...it was first reported that a man deceived a woman into consensual sex within ten minutes of their first meeting by lying by omission about being Jewish and unmarried." And "the judge unsealed the records to show that this had in fact been a plea bargain in a case in which …
/r/MensRights25/02/11 01:23 AM
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Being a trans man/woman isn't a trick or a deception; they really are men/women. And that is a whole lot different than the guy in Israel. FTA: "a man deceived a woman into consensual sex within ten minutes of their first meeting by lying by omission about being Jewish and unmarried." How many men have had sex with women and said they were not married when in fact they were? That makes a whole bunch (more) of guys rapists by those standards.
/r/MensRights25/02/11 01:18 AM
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Considering the link at the top, you are obviously mistaken.
/r/MensRights25/02/11 12:57 AM
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Lot's of people withhold evidence about their past from their sexual partners. That doesn't cause violence however. No, what causes violence is homophobia, transphobia, ignorance, and hatred.
/r/MensRights25/02/11 12:56 AM
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What is the issue? She had sex with someone without disclosing her medical history. The social stigma of that can only come from people who in their ignorance or perhaps bigotry do not believe trans women are in fact women, something I would disagree with adamantly. It's certainly a good idea for her to tell people, but it isn't any kind of trick. And the social stigma cuts both ways. But knowing the degree and severity of the social stigma certainly implies a need to say something to create/mai…
/r/MensRights24/02/11 09:54 PM
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