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Guess I'm not a woman. I mean, I already knew how poorly that identity fits, but the fact that I know that this generalization does apply to a significant portion of the female population (and a not insignificant portion of the male population, btw. I would wager that there are more people out there who want to feel safe and taken care of than who want to be the strong caretakers.), really hammers home how much of a woman I am not.
/r/seduction12/03/21 03:56 PM
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Do you want the actual answer, or are you just looking for some "women bad" circlejerk type thing?
/r/MensRights12/10/19 07:21 PM
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The problem is that equality of opportunity doesn't exist in our world, and that instead of doing the work to build it, which to be fair, would require a ridiculous amount of social change, its easier to try to counterbalance systemic and historic disadvantages with affirmative action type policies. Which then doesn't work because the everyone belonging to a minority group doesn't have identical experience or levels of oppression, so the more privileged of the targeted identity group are the one…
/r/PurplePillDebate11/10/19 02:36 PM
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IQ tests have limited utility. They mostly measure how well you do on IQ tests, and to a certain degree, specific types of intelligence. As long as you weren't sick, got enough sleep, ate breakfast, and otherwise were able to bring your mental A game on test day.
/r/PurplePillDebate10/10/19 04:31 AM
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I used to not care so much, but my partner totally raised the bar for me. I really appreciate having conversations that don't feel like I'm giving a lecture. I prefer people who are smarter than me in some way, but honestly, once you get to a certain level of intelligence, it's not so much about people being smarter than each other, as it is that people are differently smart. Ideally, you have areas of knowledge that maybe your partner doesn't and vice versa, but you're intelligent enough to fol…
/r/PurplePillDebate10/10/19 04:19 AM
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It's not that the "mommy track" is unfair, per se, its that the career hit from having children disproportionately falls on women. Men with families are expected to work as hard or harder than their childless peers, because apparently working 50+ hours a week is how men demonstrate their dedication to their families, but women with children are expected to "prioritize" their families by scaling back their hours and calling off any time the kids have doctor's appointments/parent teacher meetings/…
/r/PurplePillDebate03/10/19 08:06 PM
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You could say the same for drunk college kids. There's a difference between not knowing, not understanding, and not remembering. Understanding definitely makes remembering easier, but it's not required. Absolutely some people are literally incapable of self control, but people who are a danger to others when unsupervised shouldn't be left to their own devices, but that's not the first step when faced with antisocial behaviour.
/r/PurplePillDebate03/10/19 07:50 PM
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I'd be interested to know what they've tried to teach him with regards to consent. I mean, the dude has language. He doesn't need to understand the complexities of consent to understand that you can't touch someone without asking first, and that if someone says stop, you need to stop. Has anyone tried to teach him? Did they practice asking permission to hug someone, for instance, or did they just lock him up at the first sign of trouble?
/r/PurplePillDebate03/10/19 02:50 PM
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Thanks, but I think it's just a standard feminist viewpoint.
/r/PurplePillDebate19/09/19 03:28 AM
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Being a refuse collector would be so awesome! The pay isn't great, but they drive those cool trucks with the robot arms that grab your bins. If my spacial awareness wasn't garbage, I would totally do that job. Eta: spousal support isn't gender specific, prison sentences should absolutely be longer for women/shorter for men so they're equivalent for the same crime (like how misogynistic can you get?), and people who hit each other in response to words they don't like shouldn't be walking around f…
/r/PurplePillDebate18/09/19 01:54 PM
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Those options are so boring. I've got some better ones. Option 3: mommune life Option 4: "high quality" (whatever that is) donor and lesbian dyad/triad/quad Option 5: partner up with a gay couple and raise kids together without being romantically involved with either of them. Bonus: gay couples are incredibly stable, and 3 parent birth certificates are becoming a thing.
/r/PurplePillDebate15/09/19 04:04 AM
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I'm indifferent. I suppose if I met the right woman I would consider it after a long engagement, but if I never remarry, I won't be sad. I have zero desire to marry my current partner, and the feeling is mutual.
/r/PurplePillDebate14/09/19 07:39 PM
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Having kids without a partner was specifically mentioned in the OP as an option for these women.
/r/PurplePillDebate14/09/19 07:36 PM
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My mum and dad split when my mum was in her 50's. She vowed never to remarry. As far as I know, she's never even had another relationship. She had her kids and a rich, fulfilling social life, and that was all she needed. I asked her a few times over the years if she ever wanted to date, and she said that she would consider it if the "right guy" came along, but she had zero desire to do so. She's in her late 70's now, and does not regret being single.
/r/PurplePillDebate14/09/19 02:51 PM
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I think you're confusing providing an alternative narrative to deliberate sabotage. Assuming you're not female yourself, I think you may be unaware how overwhelming and pervasive the messaging women get from a very young age about being visually appealing and socially pliant. 12 year old girls shouldn't be worrying about making themselves hairless or covering their faces in makeup before they leave the house, but they often do. Not to mention that its other girls and women who put the most press…
/r/PurplePillDebate11/09/19 04:33 PM
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Everything? I mean, he doesn't do much in terms of the every day household tasks and mandatory childcare, and we clash a lot politically and with other opinion based issues. We're both on the higher end of the IQ spectrum and stubborn as fuck. He's also in an occupation which has lots of late nights and only a few hours of work a week, so he sleeps in till 10-11 everyday, then spends hours drinking coffee and internetting/gaming before the kids come home, which drives me nuts when I've been up s…
/r/PurplePillDebate07/09/19 04:33 PM
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Mine sure as fuck was. I think him moving out again would be the best thing for our relationship, but he disagrees, and the kids like having him around more, so here we are.
/r/PurplePillDebate07/09/19 03:57 PM
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Laws that force men to fight are uncommon, and relatively recent in western civilization. Military service, going back several thousand years, was often either restricted to a specific class/caste, or voluntary. You have provided no evidence for your claims that most/all men have historically been obligated to fight and die in defence of their family/town/state/country. I mean really, if some well armed and trained force comes rolling in, do you think the farmers pick up their pitchforks to figh…
/r/PurplePillDebate06/09/19 04:58 AM
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If you want to bring other cultures into this, I can point at a ton that exist today where being a woman means having zero choice in your life, and men aren't expected to join the military. Also, I'm not white.
/r/PurplePillDebate05/09/19 08:13 PM
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I don't think I could ever trust anyone that much.
/r/PurplePillDebate05/09/19 08:11 PM
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Yes, the past few thousand years where we have decent records of what went on and how people lived. I suppose I could look at the current hunter-gatherer communities to try to extrapolate how society functioned before agriculture and cities, but that's just ridiculous.
/r/PurplePillDebate04/09/19 11:12 PM
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Women spent their lives being the property of their fathers, until they were married off to someone he picked for them, and then they were the property of their husbands. In most societies, they were unable to own property of any sort. Any earnings legally belonged to their fathers or husbands. Marital rape has only recently been criminalized in most western countries. As a matter of fact, there are multiple states in the US today where the crime of spousal rape requires force to have been used.…
/r/PurplePillDebate04/09/19 10:56 PM
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Your arguement was that the male expectation of being willing to risk your life to protect your family/society, or risk being ostracized/branded a coward, was not just different, but significantly worse than the female life of repeated pregnancy that could likely kill you. I am saying that aside from the relatively recent forced conscription with its penalties, being forced to marry and have how ever many children your husband requires of you, with all of the relevant dangers, is actually the wo…
/r/PurplePillDebate04/09/19 04:38 PM
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Kind of like how women were expected to marry whoever their parents/families chose, and have as many children as their husbands wanted them to or die trying?
/r/PurplePillDebate04/09/19 01:44 PM
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A quick google reveals that men were not routinely expected, regardless of class/status (soldier class/soldier slaves were a thing), under threat of imprisonment or execution, to volunteer to fight and die to defend women/their village/town/country etc.
/r/PurplePillDebate04/09/19 01:32 AM
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Exactly how much research have you done one this topic? Because a quick google makes it sound like you don't know what you're talking about.
/r/PurplePillDebate03/09/19 10:42 PM
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Most men weren't forced to fight either. Conscription of men, regardless of class/status is incredibly recent as far as human history goes. Like french revolution recent. Men may have been socially pressured to volunteer to fight, but slaves aside (I'm assuming we're not talking about literal slaves), few were actually forced under threat of death. Plenty of women to this day are forced into marriage all over the world. And it's true that historically, a woman might be able to flee a forced marr…
/r/PurplePillDebate03/09/19 09:40 PM
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Well that's an awfully specific line to draw, and completely irrelevant in historical societies without a formal legal system and mandatory conscription. Besides, why would you need to legally sentence a woman to jail for refusing to marry/have sex when you can just force her to anyways?
/r/PurplePillDebate03/09/19 09:17 PM
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Women having control over who they marry or if they marry is a recent western concept.
/r/PurplePillDebate03/09/19 08:54 PM
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Being forced to have sex on demand is pretty much being legally forced into pregnancy and childbirth.
/r/PurplePillDebate03/09/19 08:44 PM
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Women were legally forced to have sex with their husbands, or rather, their husbands were legally permitted to force them. They often had no say in who their husbands were either. Sex results in pregnancy, which results in childbirth.
/r/PurplePillDebate03/09/19 08:32 PM
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Still not seeing how that's all that different from the dying in childbirth analogy. Women were expected to get pregnant, with the knowledge that it was not unlikely to kill them, and there was nothing they could do about it, like wearing a seat belt or driving cautiously.
/r/PurplePillDebate03/09/19 07:42 PM
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Just to clarify your position here: some/most men were expected to be soldiers, soldiers were expected to be willing to die if necessary, and some of those soldiers were inevitably sacrificed by leadership. I'm not seeing how that's all that different from women knowing that they could die in childbirth, and some of them inevitably dying giving birth. Aside from the obvious one being a medical/biological cause, and the other from external violence.
/r/PurplePillDebate03/09/19 07:16 PM
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There is a significant difference between being expected to be willing to die for a cause, and expecting to die for said cause. Logically speaking, if every man who went into battle was expecting to die, there would be no point in fighting, as the opposing force is obviously superior enough to wipe out your army. Did some fight for hopeless causes for the sake of honour? Probably. But most fought because they thought they could win, which means that they expected that at least some of them would…
/r/PurplePillDebate03/09/19 06:18 PM
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Social conventions exist for a reason. If you overlook your partner ignoring them so blatantly, you'll end up with someone who drops their rape story into casual conversation at a dinner party, for instance. That's uncomfortable for everyone.
/r/PurplePillDebate03/09/19 02:21 PM
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I'll take whichever guy has long hair and black eyeliner. I dgaf about how athletic they are, as long as they're not a complete couch potato slob.
/r/PurplePillDebate22/08/19 11:25 PM
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I mostly come away thinking that way too many people are obsessed with unnecessarily gendered everything. It seems so petty and arbitrary.
/r/PurplePillDebate22/08/19 11:19 PM
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I'm 35, so some kid barely out of teenage hood isn't really someone I'd want to get involved with. I just find that I'm far more likely to have common ground with someone in their 40's or 50's than someone in their teens or early 20s. The "1/2 your age +7" rule is a good one, and puts my age range at 25-56. For a 25 year old woman, her age range would be 20-36. If you're over 40, I would say definitely don't pursue a 25 year old. That's on the creepy side.
/r/PurplePillDebate22/08/19 03:43 AM
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10 would be pushing it. More than 15 would be teenagers, and that would be creepy as fuck, though when I was 19, my gf was mid 30's. I'd probably be more comfortable with 10-15 years older than younger.
/r/PurplePillDebate22/08/19 02:52 AM
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Yes, but if they don't want kids/any more kids, are they just supposed to not have sex anymore?
/r/PurplePillDebate20/08/19 06:45 AM
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So what's a married couple who doesn't want kids or is done having kids supposed to do?
/r/PurplePillDebate20/08/19 02:37 AM
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Women didn't face harsh consequences, unless you count not raising their kids as a consequence. Those women got to go on with their lives as if it had never happened, get married, and have families with their spouses. Society bore the burden by operating orphanages, and the children were often mistreated and placed in abusive situations, which of course leads to messed up adults further burdening society. The supports available for single mothers keeps kids out of the foster care system. But als…
/r/PurplePillDebate20/08/19 02:15 AM
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Are you talking about when they used to send pregnant single women away to have their babies in secret and were forced to give them up?
/r/PurplePillDebate19/08/19 04:26 AM
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I fail to see the relevance.
/r/PurplePillDebate17/08/19 06:04 PM
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I suppose if Canada is going to be flooded with refugees, young, english speaking, western educated, relatively well off Americans aren't the worst demographic.
/r/PurplePillDebate17/08/19 03:28 AM
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I've always seen the term "man up" as an unnecessarily gendered way of saying grow up/be an adult/take responsibility etc. I try not to use it, but sometimes it slips out in exasperation. I've probably said it more to women than to men, to be honest.
/r/PurplePillDebate30/07/19 10:47 PM
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4.5, I would guess? Pretty homosexual, but also more than a little biromantic.
/r/PurplePillDebate27/07/19 05:47 PM
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Not in the US, obviously, but your statement didn't specify that it was only applicable to the US. If someone found lolicon in a buddy's house in Canada or Australia, for instance, and called the police, they would absolutely show up because it is a crime in those jurisdictions.
/r/PurplePillDebate23/07/19 08:57 PM
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Depends on the jurisdiction. CP can be erotica in some countries. People have gone to jail for loli manga.
/r/PurplePillDebate23/07/19 08:12 PM
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By your logic, anyone who plays violent video games is a serial killer waiting to happen, or people who watch horror movies are secret sadists. But no, it turns out that most people have zero desire to run people over with their cars or go on a shooting spree, much less kidnap and torture random people. When it comes to sexual fantasies, why is it all that different? The fact that it's make believe is what makes it enjoyable. I know that I personally have a lower tolerance for what I can watch v…
/r/PurplePillDebate23/07/19 08:08 PM
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I want to, but I suck at escalation. Her husband's getting disappointed in me.
/r/PurplePillDebate23/07/19 03:26 AM
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Loads, most of the straight/bi/pan ones (to be fair, the same could be said for many of my female friends), not really, not in many years, no idea, no, many (between me and my partner, we've hooked up with like half of our core friend group), no, maybe a few times? It's usually implied (I'm very queer), it's never really come up so I don't know, some flirting /making out without intention can be a fun activity but nothing so diabolical since I was like 19.
/r/PurplePillDebate21/07/19 11:05 PM
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I get what you're saying, but I don't agree. I would hate to think that my self respect is dependent on my willingness to engage with every rando who tries to antagonize me. Who cares about winning or losing a shitty game that you don't have to play in the first place.
/r/PurplePillDebate20/07/19 09:32 PM
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Escalation with someone who is unpredictably hostile is never a good thing. Besides, what's so great about yelling or insulting someone?
/r/PurplePillDebate20/07/19 09:08 PM
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Either a situation warrants police intervention, or it can/should be ignored. Nothing would make me lose respect for my partner faster than being baited into violence with someone saying words he didn't like. And putting himself in a situation where he could get seriously injured because of some archaic notion of "protecting his woman" just sounds foolish.
/r/PurplePillDebate20/07/19 08:49 PM
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I know a couple of dudes I would consider to be MGTOW. They're super rad dudes. They have interesting lives with fulfilling hobbies, and their interpersonal relationships with their friends of any gender are deep and emotionally connected. They tend to have lots of relationships casual and otherwise with women, but their romantic/sexual lives are such a small, unimportant part of who they are and where they focus their energy. Lots of love for dudes like that. The whiny, sexist, guys on the MGTO…
/r/PurplePillDebate02/07/19 08:12 PM
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Misogyny/toxic masculinity. It's one of the ways that the patriarchy screws men. Oddly enough, it makes women best able to advocate for men's issues with any success.
/r/PurplePillDebate28/06/19 02:32 PM
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See, I would consider it human decency to respect that a person's time is their own, and to not expect to be able to monopolize their attention on your whims. Geez, do you have any idea how much more difficult being in public places would be if people didn't recognise social cues with regards to not being interested in conversation? Disengaging from unwanted social interaction without being rude or offensive is awkward enough.
/r/PurplePillDebate22/06/19 10:00 PM
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I'm sorry, since when are people obligated to make small talk with everyone who attempts to engage with them?
/r/PurplePillDebate21/06/19 09:26 PM
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More gay relationships
/r/PurplePillDebate19/06/19 07:58 PM
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I date women. I both initiate conversations and respond to initiation. They both have their pros and cons. In my experience, while whoever initially approaches starts the interaction, the escalation towards flirting and a more romantic interaction is a mutual, responsive process. I do enjoy knowing that someone approached me because they were interested, which takes some pressure off, but it's really not hard to test the waters without overly putting yourself out there.
/r/PurplePillDebate19/06/19 07:52 PM
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I'm way more picky now than I was when I was younger. I have a better idea of what compatibility is, and am less likely to try to make something fit for a pretty face. Plus, I just don't have the time I used to.
/r/PurplePillDebate19/06/19 07:46 PM
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There's a distinct difference between a person "playing hard to get" and enjoying the flirting etc but not wanting to have sex at all. Don't get me wrong, I think mind games are fucking stupid, but I suspect that the aggressor not understanding the difference between the two is the cause of some unfortunate situations.
/r/PurplePillDebate18/06/19 03:55 AM
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I didn't say anything about women. I said "people". This is not an exclusively female experience.
/r/PurplePillDebate18/06/19 03:36 AM
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Uh... Two wrongs don't make a right? Being accosted by some pushy panhandler that blocks your escape route and makes you feel threatened is also super fucked up, but that wasn't the topic of conversation.
/r/PurplePillDebate18/06/19 03:35 AM
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A no that turns into a yes, whatever the reason, is still a yes. Dude, that's so fucked up. Do you know how many people have had sex they didn't want because their attempt to shut it down didn't work and they didn't feel safe pushing back harder? Like, if someone literally doesn't care if you want to have sex with them as long as they can fuck you, and you have no safe way out of the situation, it's a big risk to your personal safety to continue to refuse. If you "consent" in that situation, the…
/r/PurplePillDebate17/06/19 07:09 AM
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How many adult women under 60ish work? Considering that women live longer than men, the retirement age women will skew the numbers more than with men.
/r/PurplePillDebate17/06/19 06:59 AM
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I don't know about reclaiming anything. I think it's a logical application of the terminology. People forget feminism is supposed to be about making men and women equal, not bringing women "up to" the level of men. At it's heart, feminism is about choice. If choosing to be a homemaker is what makes a woman (or man/nb etc) happy and fulfilled, we should honour that. I do get the mentality though. I struggle with this type of internalized misogyny myself. If you'd have asked me as a child, I would…
/r/PurplePillDebate13/06/19 11:29 PM
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Genuinely serious, actually. Women (or people of any gender) who denigrate women who choose a historically gender typical lifestyle tend to do so because they think these women are "betraying feminism" or "not living up to their potential". The basis for this is the misogynistic belief that devalues traditionally female occupations and tasks as being "less than" more traditionally masculine ones.
/r/PurplePillDebate13/06/19 10:59 PM
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Internalized misogyny.
/r/PurplePillDebate13/06/19 07:53 PM
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Sounds like some people don't know a lot of sex workers. Most I've known did so to improve their quality of life for them or their families, not because they had no other options. Some weren't able to hold down a regular job due to mental illness, but they could have subsisted on their disability payments. Sure, some are truly desperate and have few options to make the money they feel they need, but dudes in those situations may be more prone to theft or other crime, or as a former (male) meth a…
/r/PurplePillDebate08/06/19 08:50 PM
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Women probably find a wider range of other woman attractive than they do guys.
/r/PurplePillDebate08/06/19 08:43 PM
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No. If the father wants the baby and the mother doesn't, she's the one paying child support. And again, I think there should be some sort of means to assign parental rights and responsibilities to the state before birth. I realize that in some backward countries, child support is based on things other than the ability to actually pay, under threat of incarceration, but that's ridiculous too. I knew a dude who lost his job and ended up on welfare. His child/spousal support went from like $500/m t…
/r/PurplePillDebate25/05/19 04:15 PM
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Literally nobody is forced to parent a child. That's slavery. If you don't want to care for a baby, you turn it over to the other parent or the state. There are even places you can anonymously drop off a newborn and never have to see or be responsible for it again. If you choose to be responsible for the child, then yes, you are choosing to use your body to care for it. Pregnancy as a "natural consequence" of choosing to have sex falls apart in cases of rape, coercion etc, and if abortion is per…
/r/PurplePillDebate25/05/19 03:43 PM
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Having sex isn't the equivalent of breaking the law, and pregnancy isn't a punishment. Possession is the crime, not ingestion of the drug. There's nothing illegal in itself about being high. Drug laws are dumb anyways. You can donate your organs and sell your blood. You can sell your body for sex or surrogacy. The "having sex forfits your right to bodily autonomy" argument is flawed. It places the "consequences" of having sex above the rights of both the woman and the fetus. A woman shouldn't be…
/r/PurplePillDebate25/05/19 03:09 PM
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For me, it's 100% about bodily autonomy. It's not about when is the fetus alive, it's about when does the fetus' life trump the host's right to bodily autonomy. Remove the fetus from the host pre-viability, and that's abortion. Post-viability makes it birth. We don't force dead bodies to donate organs to save a living person, how can we force a woman to donate her body to save the life of a fetus she doesn't want to carry?
/r/PurplePillDebate25/05/19 02:15 PM
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I wouldn't have been. I think my partner is insane for not getting the kids tested, actually. I've told him as much too.
/r/PurplePillDebate22/05/19 05:55 AM
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Are you kidding me? I think it's absurd that my partner didn't get the kids dna tested. I mean, I get that he knows he's their dad, but how can a person trust another person that much? It should be standard practice, for medical history reasons, if nothing else.
/r/PurplePillDebate22/05/19 05:52 AM
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Exactly how much child support do you think the average dude pays? I mean, the housing costs alone usually far outstrip any child support payment. And that's not including food, clothing, child care and activities (though those are often separate). My kids easily add 2k/month to my expenses, and we're lower income.
/r/PurplePillDebate21/05/19 04:56 PM
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Tell me about it. It's not like someone socially inept enough to be desperate can divine your sexuality from your appearance anyways.
/r/PurplePillDebate09/05/19 09:12 PM
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16 weeks is basically medical leave. Their parental leave just kind of sucks in general unless there's a parental leave where you might not get 100% of salary.
/r/PurplePillDebate04/05/19 03:42 AM
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I'm sure that "reasonable sexual access" would be satisfied by letting their husbands fuck them 1-2x a month or so while they lay motionless surfing Facebook or staring at the wall. Then all of these poor, sex deprived men would have nothing to complain about, plus they'd get to pay for the therapy their wives would need too. This shit is so crazy. I find it hard to believe that masturbation wouldn't be preferable to fucking someone who'd rather be scrubbing a toilet than "allowing" you to fuck …
/r/PurplePillDebate24/04/19 02:55 PM
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I love my kids. They're awesome little people. I just need a life outside of them too. I find the constant drudgery of cleaning and cooking and reading the same 10 books 3x a day to be monotonous and demoralizing. It's like Sisyphus and the rock. Constantly working but nothing is ever done. I like being able to put my education, skills, and natural aptitudes to use. I need to engage with adults in intellectually stimulating ways. I'm a better parent if I get to take a break from them 40h a week,…
/r/PurplePillDebate20/04/19 05:02 AM
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I love spending time with my kids, just not 24/7. I'm poorly suited to childcare and housework for a variety of reasons. I need to have a focus that isn't my home and family, or my mental health takes a serious nosedive. When I was a sahm, I ended up being a borderline alcoholic because of how trapped and futile my life felt. Kids are awesome when they're a part of your life. Not so much (for me) when they are my life. Birthday parties are literally my least favourite part of parenting. I'd rath…
/r/PurplePillDebate19/04/19 08:47 PM
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Working full time with children requires a specific aptitude and temperament. Some people are amazing at it, and genuinely find joy in domestic tasks. Others, not so much. The individual tasks involved may not be complicated with a high barrier for learning them, but there are a lot of them, they require an extreme level of multitasking and logistical planning to care for the children in a meaningful way while also keeping the house clean and other domestic tasks done, and honestly, it's monoton…
/r/PurplePillDebate19/04/19 03:42 PM
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There is significantly less housework when the house is unoccupied from 7am to 6pm. Childcare is light years easier when it's basically getting them up, fed, dressed, and then home, fed, bath, and bedtime routine. Some people thrive as sahp's, others don't. I've done both full-time working single parenting and staying at home, and I found working much easier. Maybe I had less fragments of downtime, but I had less work that I found monotonous and demoralizing, and my quality of life was greatly i…
/r/PurplePillDebate19/04/19 05:11 AM
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Taking care of kids is boring. Like 95% of the drudgery of housework and childcare is mind-numbingly boring. If someone wanted me to be a nanny/housekeeper, I'd have to be on the verge of starving and homelessness to consider it. Trust me, I know. I can't work full time right now, so I've been going to school just so I can feel like I'm working towards something worthwhile. I'm taking a semester off, so I took a part time retail job just to be doing something outside of the house and to justify …
/r/PurplePillDebate19/04/19 03:57 AM
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It's harder than working a full time job. Keeping a kid safe, fed, entertained, and disciplined while simultaneously cleaning up after them is lightyears harder for me than working a fast paced retail or office job. Even if I have to go home at the end of the day and cook and clean and put the kids to bed by myself. Your home isn't all that comfortable when it becomes your prison.
/r/PurplePillDebate19/04/19 02:10 AM
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The completely untrue part was that single parents have to work plus do everything a sahp does. For some, gainful employment is more taxing than housework and childcare, for others it's the reverse. I know far more people than not who would never agree to be a sahp, simply because they would blow their brains out with boredom. Having the option is a reflection of privilege, sure. I agree with that. Being a sahp can be as well, but for some, it's a miserable existence. If you've ever met people w…
/r/PurplePillDebate19/04/19 01:52 AM
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Nope, that's completely untrue. I found life way easier when I was out of the house from 7am-6pm than when I was stuck at home with the kid. Mentally, obviously, but also there's a massive difference in workload if your kids are home all day vs daycare. Once the kids are in school, sure I guess being a sahp is privileged, but so many sahp's go back to work at least part time when the youngest is in full day school.
/r/PurplePillDebate18/04/19 11:25 PM
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The compatibility criteria for friendships and relationships are different.
/r/PurplePillDebate16/04/19 02:01 PM
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Even if that's true, what does that have to do with promiscuous guys being repulsed by promiscuous girls?
/r/PurplePillDebate15/04/19 04:53 PM
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Plenty of guys have no problem dating women who've slept around in the same manner that they have. In fact, anecdotally, it seems way more common for the promiscuous guys to end up dating the promiscuous girls rather than girls who haven't been with that many people. They just don't typically run in the same social circles or have the same relationship style.
/r/PurplePillDebate15/04/19 02:45 PM
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If a dude is down to bang randos but won't touch them for an ltr, you bet I'm going to shame his hypocritical ass. Literally couldn't care otherwise, even if I disagree. Your comparison makes little sense. More accurate would be a low earning woman shaming guys for making around the same amount as her.
/r/PurplePillDebate15/04/19 03:58 AM
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If I had a dollar for every time a straight girl, or a gay man for that matter, said they thought I was hot/wanted to make out/fool around, I'd probably have like $20+. Sexuality is complex. You either trust your partner or you don't.
/r/PurplePillDebate13/04/19 04:28 AM
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So...bisexual people shouldn't have friends when they marry?
/r/PurplePillDebate13/04/19 04:01 AM
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You're assuming a lot about the parents here. For decent, responsible people, you're not wrong. It's just that lots of people who procreate are neither of those things. Its not unheard of for men to walk away entirely, and I at least one woman who doesn't have custody of any of her kids or pay child support to the dads. For people who don't feel responsible for their kids, marriage is the greater commitment.
/r/PurplePillDebate13/03/19 02:28 PM
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Sex work is not easy. Not if you care about doing a good job. Nothing wrong with making money, obviously. I mean, the whole topic is about a money making occupation. I would just have trouble dating someone who's job was to advocate for or participate in something that I'm so ideologically opposed too.
/r/PurplePillDebate02/03/19 05:06 AM
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Whore > corporate whore
/r/PurplePillDebate02/03/19 12:24 AM
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Blowjobs don't cause discomfort? How many have you given to be able to say that with certainty?
/r/PurplePillDebate01/03/19 03:49 PM
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I've done it. Literally didn't care. I'd rather date an escort than a Monsanto lawyer or something.
/r/PurplePillDebate01/03/19 03:25 PM
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Between my partner and I, we've slept with or at least made out with like most of our friend group. I find it hilarious, because we've also got the longest standing relationship (more than a decade). We all have a pretty good idea of who's fooled around with who, but it's not like we trade details or anything. We're a bunch of sex positive, drug friendly, artist and alternative lifestyle folks though so what isn't even a thing to blink at for us could be a big deal for you. Honestly, the recentl…
/r/PurplePillDebate14/02/19 03:25 AM
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Those examples were just off the top of my head.
/r/PurplePillDebate11/02/19 04:32 AM
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People like people who demonstrate prosocial and altruistic behaviour. What a shocker.
/r/PurplePillDebate10/02/19 10:36 PM
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https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Denim_Day https://www.google.com/amp/s/globalnews.ca/news/4661696/teenage-girl-underwear-irish-rape-trial-protests/amp/ https://www.cbc.ca/news/canada/calgary/alexander-wagar-sex-assault-judge-robin-camp-court-of-appeal-decision-1.3959199
/r/PurplePillDebate10/02/19 04:13 PM
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Slut walks literally have nothing to do with being slutty, and everything to do with protesting police treatment of rape victims and the perpetuation of rape myths and rape culture. When the police and the justice system are literally blaming women for their rapes by saying things like they shouldn't have dressed like sluts, they should have just kept their legs together, their underwear choice meant they were planning on having sex, and that it had to have been consensual because it's impossibl…
/r/PurplePillDebate10/02/19 05:30 AM
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Where exactly did I say anything about gender? I specifically made it gender neutral, since in my experience, it applies based on roles regardless of gender. I know multiple relationships where the male identified person is the primary cook.
/r/PurplePillDebate02/02/19 03:34 AM
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It's more acceptable for people who are generally only tasked with feeding themselves to have a utilitarian view towards food. People who are expected to feed others are under pressure to be "good" cooks. In terms of food as a social experience, I don't see a real gender division.
/r/PurplePillDebate01/02/19 03:16 PM
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You think there isn't research to support my position? When I'm less lazy I'll link some studies.
/r/PurplePillDebate19/01/19 04:04 AM
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I am aware that there isn't consensus on the matter. There are a number of factors involved in the difference in iq, including things like home environment, educational opportunities, culture, nutrition, and others. That's in addition to innate intelligence.
/r/PurplePillDebate18/01/19 10:20 PM
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Google iq testing cultural bias
/r/PurplePillDebate18/01/19 03:25 PM
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IQ tests favour the people who design them. So if IQ tests are written by western men, guess which demographic is going to come out on top. IQ tests are interesting, but pretty useless as a measure of intelligence on their own. And yes, I've been professionally tested. Still think it's bs.
/r/PurplePillDebate17/01/19 05:36 PM
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Some people kill themselves after being harassed and bullied by internet vigilantes who think they're guilty of a crime. Being falsely accused can literally lead to death in some cases. I do think that it's a bit overblown since there are oodles more rapists and #metoo worthy people than those falsely accused, but to negate the fear of very real damage that a false accusation can cause, because it doesn't happen to most guys is really lacking in empathy.
/r/PurplePillDebate03/01/19 06:34 AM
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Pretty much this. Unpleasant interactions do not necessarily constitute harassment. There is an issue when the pursuer doesn't accept polite rejection, or if the pursued person is in a position where they feel unable to reject for some reason (a boss, perhaps?), but having someone you're not into hitting on you is just part of life. Geez, are we going to star locking people up for name calling now too?
/r/PurplePillDebate24/12/18 03:08 PM
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Funny how when you give women a means to control the number of kids she has, and the education to have decent options, she might choose to do anything else besides have kids.
/r/PurplePillDebate12/12/18 03:26 PM
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Not many people can afford someone to come in every day to cook and clean.
/r/PurplePillDebate08/12/18 03:18 AM
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A person who is too drunk to legally consent to sex, provided they became intoxicated voluntarily, would likely be incapable of operating a vehicle.
/r/PurplePillDebate02/12/18 04:29 PM
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TIL I'm not a woman. Well, to be fair, I don't entirely identify as such, but man, there are so many people with vaginas walking around out there with the mistaken impression that they're women. Even supposing women in the relationship model you've described didn't truly love their partner's, it's is far from the only relationship type out there. Lots of women who are the primary or sole income earners, women who stay with disabled/ill spouses, women who prefer a more egalitarian or even female …
/r/PurplePillDebate30/11/18 09:02 AM
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Just how many pregnancies do you think occur where the man would walk away from the get go if able? The majority of unplanned pregnancies don't end up in a single mother, and absent but support paying father from the time pregnancy is disclosed. Most guys who would walk away already do so and many find ways to not pay or underpay support. Unless the dude is rolling in money, getting a few hundred in child support is rarely the deciding factor in whether or not to keep a pregnancy, and actually g…
/r/PurplePillDebate30/11/18 04:36 AM
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I know multiple people who have gotten pregnant while on the pill and depo. I was an IUD baby. I know a woman who was told she was infertile her whole life, used a condom with a ONS, and when it broke, she got the morning after pill right away. Still got pregnant. I actually know tons of supposedly infertile people who got pregnant. If a dude is so terrified of getting a girl pregnant, condoms are decently effective, and there's always sterilization. It does suck that there aren't better contrac…
/r/PurplePillDebate28/11/18 06:03 PM
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Some people set more boundaries with people they care about because they want a healthy, lasting relationship. If you do stuff you don't particularly enjoy with someone you're not planning a future with, it's not going to have the potential to taint something that matters to you.
/r/PurplePillDebate23/11/18 08:57 PM
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I think it has more to do with the fact that it's in relation to previous men. It would be one thing if a dude was like "I need xyz sex act in my relationship", but when he's like "I only need xyz sex act in my relationship if she's done it before at any time in her life, regardless of her reasons, but if she hasn't, I'm cool without" then it seems that insecurity could be a reasonable cause.
/r/PurplePillDebate23/11/18 08:49 PM
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Just passed 12 years with my partner. We first hooked up in a threesome with my partner at the time after a Halloween party.
/r/PurplePillDebate01/11/18 03:15 AM
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Actually, this is pretty much my point. You would fill your life with meaningful work if you got UBI. Some of which is a benefit to society. You wouldn't just be loafing around at home all day.
/r/PurplePillDebate18/09/18 02:43 PM
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Really? What would you do with your time? Even my friends on disability want to work.
/r/PurplePillDebate17/09/18 03:18 PM
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No, I grew up dirt poor (though without a lot of the issues associated with poverty), but both my parents were from wealth. I'm not anywhere near middle class now, but I have a great deal more privilege than someone of my income should have. But some of the people I'm talking about were legitimately on welfare and super broke. One of my friends recently went back to work doing housekeeping, literally cleaning toilets and stuff, and she's so much happier than she was staying home on welfare. I im…
/r/PurplePillDebate17/09/18 04:24 AM
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No, its not. On average, two good parents in a low conflict marriage are better for children than a single good parent. Even without things like the extra income, having two adults available for supervision and emotional support is just better. Or at least that's what was taught in my criminal psych course by a progressive instructor at a liberal school. It's been extensively researched. Are there exceptions? Probably. That's how statistical research works. But as a rule, two parents are better …
/r/PurplePillDebate16/09/18 03:16 PM
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Really? My experience with people on EI and welfare and such is that unless they're like SAHP's or active artists/musicians/writers, generally people want to work or study. It's not even about the poverty, but the lack of direction, the feeling of leeching off the system, and needing some feeling of accomplishment while everyone around you is doing something with their lives. Lots of people would like to work less than they do, but surprisingly few don't want to work at all.
/r/PurplePillDebate16/09/18 03:09 PM
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Ok, you have to be deliberately misunderstanding me. I just don't know any other way to explain how some women doesn't mean all women. Plenty of women figure out either through alternative narratives or on their own that slapping someone is assault, but many don't. I'm 100% serious on this. There are women and men who don't believe that a woman slapping a man is assault or abusive. I am speaking from personal, as in directly in front of me, experience. Obviously there are abusive people of all g…
/r/PurplePillDebate05/09/18 02:23 AM
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I'm not sure if you're deliberately misunderstanding. Abuse is understood to be inherently harmful. If someone thinks they're not causing harm because female on male violence isn't harmful, it stands to reason that they don't understand that what they're doing is abusive. There are many women and men who don't think that there's anything wrong with a woman hitting a man. If something is considered to be acceptable, it isn't being seen as abusive. Much in the same way parents who spank their kids…
/r/PurplePillDebate04/09/18 07:44 PM
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I think you're missing my point. I wasn't saying that the only reason that women are abusive is because they believe they're not doing harm, my point is that the discrepancy in abuse rates may be largely attributable to the women not knowing that what they're doing is abuse. If women and society in general understood that women being violent towards their male partners is harmful and abusive, there would be less acceptance of it, and undoubtedly, many women would realize that what they're doing …
/r/PurplePillDebate04/09/18 06:39 PM
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No, I don't think so. Physical trauma isn't the only kind of harm. Even if someone isn't physically harmed by being attacked, the knowledge that your partner attempted to hurt you is psychologically damaging. Not to mention that plenty of dudes do get hurt by their abusive partners, even if they're not likely to be killed.
/r/PurplePillDebate04/09/18 01:53 PM
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I mean, good luck with that, but yes, if you could change the cultural narrative so that it was understood that female on male violence was inherently harmful, and not harmless or trivial, you should see a drop in female on male violence. You'd be surprised at the things that women do because it's been culturally reinforced that it's harmless or acceptable. Female on male dv is actually a pet peeve of mine. I've seen far too much of it, and its not even like it gets swept under the rug. People f…
/r/PurplePillDebate03/09/18 03:46 AM
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No. I said that women who buy into the patriarchy are more likely to abuse men. Women who reject the patriarchy are less likely to abuse men. I abhore women who think it's ok to be violent towards men. Aside from the fact that they're committing assault, they're setting the women's rights movement back decades. Women 100+ years ago were essentially the property of their fathers or husbands, and therefore lacked agency. Women who believe that their status as women makes committing violence toward…
/r/PurplePillDebate02/09/18 04:21 AM
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The patriarchy isn't some static global monolith. How it manifests varies over time and between cultures.
/r/PurplePillDebate02/09/18 03:39 AM
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That would be pure speculation, but 100 years ago it was probably far more acceptable to use physical violence to keep your wife in line. Don't forget the whole "submit and obey" thing.
/r/PurplePillDebate01/09/18 06:21 PM
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Because patriarchy. Women don't get the same messaging as men about not hitting their partners because women are weak and and therefore not dangerous, and a real man isn't going to be hurt by some chick slapping him or something. Anecdotally, I can tell you that the women who are violent towards their male partners aren't the same women pushing for women to be able to take on traditionally male roles. They're perfectly content to play their role in the traditional gender dynamic, and that includ…
/r/PurplePillDebate01/09/18 04:20 AM
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Someone had better tell telomerase guy.
/r/PurplePillDebate30/08/18 03:27 PM
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I am pretty much a lesbian. PPD is pure entertainment for me.
/r/PurplePillDebate19/08/18 02:21 PM
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Depends on how you define "inhibited". If I'm having a random hookup, I'm probably super uncomfortable and it's more of an activity I've consciously decided to do. I'll do pretty much whatever she wants, but I'll be way too nervous to actually enjoy it on a physical level. For whatever reason, the less we do, the more I'll actually want to be doing it. Like, a naked makeout session would feel amazing, but I get diminishing returns for anything beyond that. I've been getting way better at putting…
/r/PurplePillDebate06/08/18 03:47 PM
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All other things being equal with the sitter (in terms of qualifications or references), it depends on the kid. With my almost 11 year old daughter, it would have to be the female sitter.
/r/PurplePillDebate05/08/18 04:01 AM
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People who are content to be celibate/single have the highest standards. If a heterosexual man dgaf about marriage/kids and has enough socially fulfilling relationships that he doesn't need companionship, it's going to take one hell of a woman to make him want to be with her.
/r/PurplePillDebate26/07/18 05:48 PM
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Sure I guess looks count, but there's more to value in a relationship than external appearance. My partner has a friend with a super hot gf, but he's even said that his gf only ranks 2nd out of the gf's in the friend group, even though she's clearly the most attractive. (also, dude is a total douche for saying that shit). Like, if one of these douchebros has an 8+/10, it's not worth sacrificing other types of awesomeness for an extra point or 2 on the superficial looks scale.
/r/PurplePillDebate17/07/18 04:53 AM
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Yes, but I'm more of the "dating around" kind of person. We've dated/hooked up with people together, but honestly I prefer one on one situations. I'm just not a possessive person in the slightest, and I value my autonomy and independence.
/r/PurplePillDebate05/07/18 01:19 PM
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My partner an I have been poly from the beginning. Over a decade in and a couple of kids. We have issues, for sure, but nothing remotely to do with polyamoury. I literally do not care how much he fucks around, as long as he's got time to meet his family commitments. I might feel less secure if I was dependent on him in any significant way, but I'm not, so it's irrelevant.
/r/PurplePillDebate05/07/18 06:37 AM
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"where fair child support (if there are children) is paid by the wealthier biological parent regardless of gender, and the child custody conversation starts at 50/50 father/mother instead of “automatically mother unless the father can prove otherwise." So... Marrage then. I don't know if you realize it or not, but this is how marriage/divorce is supposed to be. Alimony is supposed to be temporary in the case where one party sacrificed their career/earning potential for the family unit, and peopl…
/r/PurplePillDebate04/07/18 02:26 PM
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Honestly, in terms of treatment by law enforcement, it varies wildly by jurisdiction. When it comes to social or public opinion, the problem is that rape is a crime that is demonized to a degree that is almost unparalleled. We as a society view rapists as monsters, therefore our child/friend/partner/parent/boss/neighbour etc who's devoted to their family, volunteers at the homeless shelter, and rescues animals, couldn't possibly be a rapist. It must have been a misunderstanding, where they thoug…
/r/PurplePillDebate04/07/18 01:49 AM
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I really don't see how this is remotely controversial. All other things being equal, it's well documented that women are treated more leniently by the criminal justice system. Why this is may be up for discussion, but the stats show that women are less likely to be charged and face lighter sentences than men.
/r/PurplePillDebate29/06/18 03:01 AM
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A man who needs women to be submissive, spineless, and deferential to feel like a man is pretty pathetic. If you're so threatened by women who are willing to stand up for themselves and their rights that you refuse to acknowledge them, you should probably stay behind the safety of your computer screen in mommy and daddy's basement.
/r/PurplePillDebate28/06/18 03:54 PM
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There is a significant difference between stereotypical masculinity and toxic masculinity. And yes, feminists judge the hell out of women who date homophobic, violent/aggressive, douchebags, with rigid definitions of manhood and who shame other men for displaying "feminine" behaviour.
/r/PurplePillDebate24/06/18 04:12 AM
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I'm all for financial abortion, but it could only happen if the state was willing to step in to make up the difference (because children are entitled to the support of their parents), which would mean more tax dollars, which would mean that everyone ends up paying. I don't think it would happen all that often. Most dudes who have kids, even if they wanted an abortion to begin with, aren't just going to completely abandon their kid. Still it would never fly unless the country is so heavily social…
/r/PurplePillDebate22/06/18 05:49 PM
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This is about as accurate as saying that people who consume violent media approve of violence irl. Playing gta doesn't mean you want to steal cars and run down sex workers, listening to rap doesn't mean that you think violence against women is peachy. Stuff that would otherwise be abhorrent is enjoyable when we know it's not real. Seriously, your argument is super weak.
/r/PurplePillDebate19/06/18 06:45 PM
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My first attempt at casual sex resulted in a relationship that's 10+ years and counting. What's your point exactly?
/r/PurplePillDebate05/06/18 11:58 PM
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Because they want to think that they're special. If a bunch of women are so overwhelmed by his sexual appeal that they want to fuck him, that's great. If it turns out that the only women who will randomly fuck him are also into fucking lots of other guys, then he's not special, and they're just a bunch of dirty sluts. PS: I love sluts. Please continue to be sexually empowered and fuck all the people you want without shame.
/r/PurplePillDebate26/05/18 04:19 AM
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I have a lot of trouble connecting with straight women, or the women who are more gender typical in their interests and behaviors. We get along just fine, we just don't usually have a lot in common. I have a number of close female friends, and I think all of that are some sort of LGBTQ. Most of which I've slept with or at least made out with, if I'm honest. I would say our relationships are more openly emotionally expressive than with my male friends. My male friends tend to open up emotionally …
/r/PurplePillDebate19/04/18 02:32 PM
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$1000 is way too low. I'd consider a hand job for that, but probably not. I'd start thinking about it at 10k. 50k would be a definite yes. There is no amount of money that would make me consider unprotected sex, unless perhaps if I had PrEP. But realistically, I'd probably just refer them to a local agency. They could sleep with multiple way hotter women than me for $1000.
/r/PurplePillDebate12/04/18 09:02 PM
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My daughter refuses to wear anything but dresses, so we made a rule that she needs to wear leggings or shorts underneath if she's leaving the house. She can run and climb with the best of them.
/r/PurplePillDebate17/01/18 04:57 AM
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You teach them have boundaries and be comfortable in their own skin. The rest will sort itself out. Some of the most people pleasing submissive people have rock solid boundaries, but have a genuine desire to do for others. Conversely, there are plenty of independent, achieving types who have shit for boundaries, and put up lots of walls because they don't have confidence in their abilities to self advocate if pressed.
/r/PurplePillDebate17/01/18 04:53 AM
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I'm not trying to be a dick, but I mean, you saying that only men are forced to serve in the army, or must get married to be seen as adults (? Not sure what point you were making with this one) doesn't make it true. Legally, there's a range of laws surrounding conscription in western countries, many of which have none, or have an egalitarian one. And adulthood is pretty much always set at some arbitrary age, and the cultural definitions of adulthood for all genders vary wildly among different de…
/r/PurplePillDebate22/12/17 06:47 PM
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Those are hardly even widely applicable, let alone universal across western culture. Basically, it's an example of "some cultures/subcultures have different expectation for men and women". We could talk about the cultures or countries in which men have all the options and women have none, but that isn't widely applicable either.
/r/PurplePillDebate22/12/17 06:15 PM
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Could you cite a specific example that isn't to do with reproduction?
/r/PurplePillDebate22/12/17 05:42 PM
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Mandatory draft in Israel isn't gender specific. Secular men and women are required by law to serve. Canada doesn't have a draft. I'm 34. I literally know nobody who thinks that marriage is the beginning of adulthood. If you asked people, they'd probably pinpoint things like being legally an adult, living on your own, or your first "grown up" job. Or just when you get to a point where you start being responsible.
/r/PurplePillDebate22/12/17 05:06 PM
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Conscription? Like for the army? Where I was born, that's for all genders, and where I live, it doesn't exist. I say "forced", because it's a financial obligation that is the result of a choice they made, and also I know of men who get around it by quitting their jobs and working under the table. Or having incomes too low to have it garnished. Adulthood begins with marriage? Who thinks that?
/r/PurplePillDebate22/12/17 03:55 PM
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Sorry if I was unclear. Do you have another example of how men aren't free that isn't related to reproductive biological differences? Because I literally cannot think of anything else that men are "forced" to do by society and the legal system that women are not.
/r/PurplePillDebate22/12/17 03:16 PM
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This CMV is too broad to be meaningful. Do you have an example of this that is purely societal construct and not the result of the most absolute biological difference between the sexes? Because otherwise this is just another "it's unfair that women have bodily autonomy but men can't get financial abortions" argument. Which is fine and all, but if that's the case, don't try to disguise it as some massively overarching inequality in the way in which men and women are treated by society and the leg…
/r/PurplePillDebate22/12/17 03:57 AM
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Nobody cares if people are attracted to people who are significantly younger than them. Not really. Like, visually appealing people are visually appealing, who'd have thought? Its when they want to pursue them that it becomes an issue, because it's an indicator of other character flaws.
/r/PurplePillDebate01/12/17 04:16 PM
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I guess you'd probably think I've kept "beta orbiters", though I just call them friends. I enjoy non-sexually emotionally and physically intimate relationships with a wide variety of people, but being physically and/or sexually attracted to a man is incredibly unlikely to happen (am queer). Everyone knows what's up going in. I overlook their attraction to me (because really, I'd have all of 2 gay men and a straight chick as friends if I ditched everyone who'd ever expressed attraction to me), ma…
/r/PurplePillDebate21/11/17 02:56 AM
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Yep. You should see what international students pay. They don't get any subsidy. Btw, it's often still much cheaper than the States.
/r/PurplePillDebate31/10/17 09:24 PM
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Canadian tuition for residents is heavily subsidized. Also, low income and middle income students receive grants. The argument is pretty baseless though. There's no shortage of space in colleges, and the average skilled tradesperson makes more than the average college grad.
/r/PurplePillDebate31/10/17 09:20 PM
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No. Everything you said is based on a premise I disagree with.
/r/PurplePillDebate27/10/17 06:46 AM
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Weird. Maybe it's area dependent.
/r/PurplePillDebate20/10/17 01:26 PM
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Right? Where I am, a homophobic dude would get ridiculed for being insecure in his masculinity. Like straight up laughed at by masculine men. Ditto on anything more than mild sexism, unless they were obviously joking. Racism isn't really a thing amongst the younger generation, so I can't really comment on it.
/r/PurplePillDebate20/10/17 02:45 AM
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There's nothing wrong with not wanting to sleep with people who see sex workers, but assuming that people who do so do so out of necessity or lack of options is just wrong. Such an assumption can be counterproductive to your goal of not sleeping with people who buy sex, since you wouldn't expect it of someone who is attractive and socially savvy.
/r/PurplePillDebate20/10/17 02:39 AM
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Plenty of attractive, socially capable guys use escorts. They don't go to escorts because they need to, but because they have better things to do than spend time finding a chick to hook up with who may or may not be a drama bomb. I mean, they also hook up with random women, but if it's the middle of the day and you want a lay, or maybe you wanna chill with your buddies later instead of pretending to be interested in what some rando chick is saying, escorts are a fast, easy way to have safe, NSA …
/r/PurplePillDebate20/10/17 02:00 AM
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Actually, yes, that is some sexist bs right there.
/r/MensRights16/10/17 11:04 PM
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Judging morality of an action based on future possibilities is a bit odd. I mean, are we going to include some sort of temporal ethics in the abortion debate?
/r/PurplePillDebate11/10/17 08:49 PM
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Well sure, it's the premature ending of a life, but what that life is the equivalent to is what people disagree with. Is it like swatting a fly, killing a chicken, or murdering a baby. People are going to place the morality of abortion on different places on the spectrum of taking antibiotics to cold blooded murder.
/r/PurplePillDebate11/10/17 08:09 PM
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Not as rare as you think. Maternal death aside, complications with pregnancy are commonplace. A normal, easy pregnancy is far more than "a couple of months of discomfort", and considering were talking about the termination of a non-person life, there are plenty of people, including the medical community and the courts, who would disagree with you. Our society is ok with ending non-person life for sport, doing so for medical reasons or for comfort is considered acceptable by most.
/r/PurplePillDebate11/10/17 07:54 PM
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What does fault have to do with it. We don't deny cancer treatment to people based on whether or not they lived the healthiest lifestyle possible. If someone gets in a car accident and they're "at fault" we don't deny them treatment. What the hell does "fault" have to do with anything? Pregnancy is a parasitic relationship. The fetus feeds off of the host, making the mother experience symptoms of illness, and then does a decent amount of damage on the way out. And that's in an easy pregnancy. So…
/r/PurplePillDebate11/10/17 07:46 PM
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No, but the relationship is parasitic and the effects are similar to a serious illness.
/r/PurplePillDebate11/10/17 07:32 PM
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If I were taking up residence in your body, making you sick, and forcibly draining your body of nutrients, you probably could and call it self defense.
/r/PurplePillDebate11/10/17 07:13 PM
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Good luck with that argument. It's a long way between "cluster of cells" and "perfectly healthy baby". By your logic, contraception that doesn't prevent ovulation is morally equivalent to a 3rd trimester elective abortion. You will not find many who agree with you. What I personally think is irrelevant, and has not once been stated over the course of our debate.
/r/PurplePillDebate11/10/17 06:35 PM
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How is it murder if it's not a person? We don't say that antibiotics are murdering bacterial infections. Or that rat poison is murdering the rodent infestation. Hell, most people don't consider it to be murder to euthanize a beloved family pet.
/r/PurplePillDebate11/10/17 05:47 PM
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Your dismissal of the issues with being forced to continue a pregnancy is pretty ignorant. You take the position that life begins at some point (conception? Implantation?) that differs from both the legal position of when personhood occurs, as well as the position of most people who obtain abortions. Your insistence that it's morally equivalent to murder makes the assumption that your interpretation of the beginning of personhood is correct. You say it's killing babies, but neither the law, nor …
/r/PurplePillDebate11/10/17 05:04 PM
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I take it you've never been pregnant.
/r/PurplePillDebate11/10/17 04:44 PM
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Murder has a fairly specific definition that does not include refusal to donate parts of your body or refusal to act. At best, it's considered criminal negligence causing death, but again, that has specific criteria too. The idea that someone is morally required to offer up their body, injure themselves, or risk their health to save someone is not one that our society has embraced.
/r/PurplePillDebate11/10/17 04:20 PM
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No. It's not considered murder because the fetus isn't considered a person. Our society does not forcibly hijack people's bodies to save others, hence no forced blood/organ/marrow donation or slavery of first responders.
/r/PurplePillDebate11/10/17 04:06 PM
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Pregnancy doesn't have to lead to parenting. It's been drilled into everyone's head for the last 50 years that if someone doesn't want to be a parent, they can go through with the pregnancy and give the baby up for adoption. Adoption is pretty much always offered as an alternative to abortion. Having an abortion isn't available so that people don't have parenting forced on them. Its so they don't have to be forced to incubate a fetus against their will.
/r/PurplePillDebate11/10/17 02:42 PM
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Abortion rights have very little to do with opting out of parenting, and everything to do with opting out of pregnancy. The reality of the practice is a bit different.
/r/PurplePillDebate11/10/17 02:29 PM
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Because our society has decided that murder is wrong. We've also in general has decided that personhood does not begin at fertilization, and that there is some point at which the fetus becomes a person. The main debate is at what point after fertilization does the fetus become a person. Is it implantation? Heartbeat? Growing limbs? Brain activity? Ability to feel pain? When it is able to survive outside of its host? At the point of birth? Plus, a woman is under no obligation to raise, feed, or c…
/r/PurplePillDebate11/10/17 06:17 AM
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I'm not debating the morality of abortion. I'm explaining the difference between the different points of development and the implications in terms of viability. The moral argument around abortion seems to contain a whole lot of grey areas. Its the generally accepted practice to consider the point of viability as the limit for elective abortions. For whatever reason (I'm assuming monetary), they don't routinely practice premature delivery of post viability babies for women who don't want to be pr…
/r/PurplePillDebate11/10/17 12:38 AM
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20 weeks give or take is the cutoff for elective abortions. The earliest known premature baby to survive was just shy of 22 weeks. 24 weeks is generally considered the point of viability, with at least half of babies born at that point able to survive with medical intervention. By 30 weeks, the vast majority of babies born will survive and thrive. There is a huge difference between a fetus that cannot survive outside the uterus, and one that could be safely delivered and survive.
/r/PurplePillDebate11/10/17 12:00 AM
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No, I'm sorry, I don't. A week or so past the cutoff due to a fetus measuring small is one thing, but this idea that healthy women with healthy, viable, 30+ week pregnancies are getting flown to the states to have government funded abortions is pretty freaking ludicrous.
/r/PurplePillDebate10/10/17 11:51 PM
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Source? Because my understanding was that it's only in the case of fetal abnormality or maternal health risk.
/r/PurplePillDebate10/10/17 11:06 PM
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That the medical community in Canada has set the limit for abortion at approximately 20 weeks, and late term abortions do not occur here or elsewhere unless there is maternal health risk or fetal abnormalities.
/r/PurplePillDebate10/10/17 10:36 PM
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Do you have a source that supports your position instead of mine?
/r/PurplePillDebate10/10/17 10:09 PM
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Reliable source? Because I haven't found any suggestion of elective late term abortions in Canada that didn't come from some pro-life website.
/r/PurplePillDebate10/10/17 09:52 PM
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That's absolute bs. In Canada, there are no legal regulations regarding when termination can take place, so the medical community has regulated themselves. 20 weeks is the typical cutoff, barring fetal abnormality or danger to the mother. It's not unheard of for women to realize they're pregnant after 20 weeks, and end up having to carry to term.
/r/PurplePillDebate10/10/17 07:45 PM
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Yep. The Duluth model has some interesting ideas that can add some context to the complexity of family violence, but as a stand alone system, it's utter garbage. If it's still being used in the states, that's a huge problem.
/r/PurplePillDebate07/10/17 05:21 PM
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I personally agree with the theory of the patriarchy, but tend to disagree with how it's commonly used. Much like the ideas of privilege or intersectionality. Useful concepts with a tendency to be misused. As for the Duluth model, when I was studying criminal psych, the textbook talked about the problems with the Duluth model (like it's ridiculously high drop out rate), and the alternative developed for corrections Canada, so I imagine it's being phased out.
/r/PurplePillDebate07/10/17 04:43 PM
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The Duluth model has been debunked as ineffective, and the patriarchy is harmful to people of all genders.
/r/PurplePillDebate07/10/17 04:32 PM
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Not really. Bigger than I'd like, but technically not overweight.
/r/PurplePillDebate22/09/17 06:12 AM
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I am female.
/r/PurplePillDebate22/09/17 04:35 AM
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It's not so much about teaching men (and women) not to rape, as teaching them what rape and consent actually are. Plenty of sexual assaults happen with one party ignoring the other party's lack of consent because it doesn't fit their narrow definition of rape, and the victim being too afraid to put up a fight because someone who's willing to rape you could very easily be willing to physically assault you too. Now the people who this would actually be effective on is a relatively small segment of…
/r/PurplePillDebate22/09/17 12:40 AM
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All of them. Holy fuck, there are dudes I find attractive.
/r/PurplePillDebate22/09/17 12:30 AM
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Actually, the largest demographic of women to have abortions are women who have one or more existing children. They are literally getting an abortion for the children they already have.
/r/PurplePillDebate22/09/17 12:28 AM
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Once a fetus can be safely removed from the mother's uterus and placed in a host uterus or artificial incubator, I'll agree with you. Until then, unless the pregnant woman is willing to go through with a pregnancy (which is no small sacrifice), the desires of the father are irrelevant.
/r/PurplePillDebate22/09/17 12:18 AM
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Medically/surgically transitioning works great for people who are transgender and experience dysphoria. Just not so much for those who are comfortable with their bodies, but don't fit the social expectations and roles that are imposed on people who have that set of genitalia. I don't know how many genders are too many, but it's clear that two isn't enough, as some other cultures figured out a long time ago.
/r/PurplePillDebate18/09/17 03:05 PM
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Between the taxes that people pay (federal/state/sales/etc) and the money that they put into the economy through consumption (some of which is paid in taxes by the individuals/businesses that earn it), you'd probably be hard pressed to find someone who didn't repay the cost of grade school education. Perhaps someone who spends their life on disability? There have been numerous studies, and the data shows that immigrants and the children of immigrants tend to be highly productive with good work e…
/r/PurplePillDebate18/09/17 11:53 AM
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The Republicans talk a good game about ending entitlement programs and defunding Medicaid, but none of them will touch Medicare with a 50' pole. The politician that votes to slash healthcare to low income seniors is a politician facing the end of their career. We've more or less decided to solve our negative population growth with immigration. Everyone dances around why immigration is good for the economy/society, but the truth is that without immigrants, we wouldn't be able to maintain the numb…
/r/PurplePillDebate18/09/17 03:03 AM
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It's not just the people needed to sustain the dying communities or to do the labour required to care for the elderly. Its the fact that elderly people are expensive in terms of housing/support/healthcare. If there are increasing amounts of elderly people who require costly care for longer, and fewer able bodied workers to pay into social security and income taxes, society will pretty much just collapse.
/r/PurplePillDebate18/09/17 02:18 AM
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That could work with increasing automation. The way our society and economy are currently set up, a rapidly decreasing supply of able bodied people in the workforce coupled with increasing numbers of elderly due to longer lifespans would be disastrous.
/r/PurplePillDebate18/09/17 01:43 AM
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Making having children more appealing would require quite the overhaul of how our society, specifically with regards to employment and compensation, is currently structured. Right now, we treat chosing to have children as some sort of personal luxury, rather than societal good. Which is fine if you don't mind the declining birth rate. But it's hard for the good, responsible parents that you would want having many children to assume the financial burden and career sacrifices necessary to do so. P…
/r/PurplePillDebate17/09/17 11:30 AM
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Queerness is not hereditary. Society has been getting more progressive in spite of the difference in birth rate. Why do you think that would change?
/r/PurplePillDebate17/09/17 11:13 AM
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Source? Because wealth does not equal gender equality.
/r/PurplePillDebate17/09/17 11:10 AM
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Making having kids and pregnancy both optional and less affordable wouldn't make people choose to have more children.
/r/PurplePillDebate17/09/17 11:09 AM
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The third (or fourth) gender is a very old concept. Just not so much in Judeo-Christian culture. It's starting to make a comeback among LGBT indigenous people, for instance.
/r/PurplePillDebate17/09/17 11:08 AM
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Female bodied persons would include cis women as well as transmen, and other gender variant females. Things are in flux right now. Women are opting out of having children, because they now have a choice, and society has failed to make having kids an the more appealing option. We need to make it so people who want families, or who want bigger families can do so without penalty if we want to maintain a replacement birth rate. Or we can just continue to import people from more populated areas.
/r/PurplePillDebate17/09/17 05:03 AM
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Its more like the recognition that sex and gender aren't the same has zero negative impact on cisgender people, and makes a world of difference for everyone else. That, and the understanding will make interaction with the increasing number of gender nonconforming people understandable. Kind of how understanding that gay people are a thing makes it easier to navigate interaction with people who aren't heterosexual.
/r/PurplePillDebate16/09/17 11:57 PM
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My primary partner and I have been together for many years, but "normal" would not describe my home. Stable, sure, but not normal in a traditional sense. Kids seem fine though.
/r/PurplePillDebate16/09/17 09:48 PM
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I would probably fall into the gender atypical category. I'm certainly not a reproductive failure. Perhaps 50 years ago or so I would have had a hard time fitting into my predetermined gender role and therefore finding a suitable partner, but no lack of options now. Most of the trans people I know we're at least decently attractive in their at birth assigned gender.
/r/PurplePillDebate16/09/17 09:26 PM
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That is essentially what I said. Right now, because the idea of gender is so linked to sex as to be used interchangeably by many, its hard for gender equality advocates to acknowledge the biological sex differences. The lack of social framework for multiple gender identities forces people to have to identify with one or the other, even if they don't quite fit either. I've met more than one trans person who said that they were transitioning because it was closer to their gender identity, even tho…
/r/PurplePillDebate16/09/17 07:22 PM
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I'm not saying that the majority (or even a sizeable minority) of people won't still behave in what we consider to be gender typical ways, just that gender atypical/nonconforming people will become more prevalent as the social pressure evaporates, and it will be pointless to identify various personality traits with gender because it won't be accurate enough to be reliable. We might also see a reemergence of third and fourth genders.
/r/PurplePillDebate16/09/17 06:56 PM
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I think the vast majority of the social differences between males and females evolved due to the fact that female bodied persons were generally pregnant or nursing for the entirety of their most productive years. It made sense to divide up types of labour or desired personality traits by biological sex because it made sense for the person who was constantly pregnant or nursing to be the one filling the roles that could be done while pregnant or caring for small children (caregiving etc). Birth c…
/r/PurplePillDebate16/09/17 06:13 PM
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Plenty of historical and cultural evidence for the existence of gender identity that doesn't conform to sex. Just not within the western, Judeo-Christian culture. Also, gender roles are clearly a social construct. What may be considered a masculine trait in one culture, could be a feminine one in another. Unlike biological sex differences.
/r/PurplePillDebate15/09/17 01:53 PM
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How exactly does being "poly" work in your situation? It works great. My partner has never been good at monogamy, so instead of cheating, he gets to fuck around as he pleases. I'm not inclined towards monogamy, and would never agree to it in any long term sense with a man, so I get to date/sleep around as I please. In practice, he has occasional ONS/FWB, and I tend to make out with a bunch of people, sleep with a handful of women here and there, date occasionally, and have the occasional threeso…
/r/PurplePillDebate10/09/17 09:42 PM
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The reason I wanted a diamond engagement ring wasn't because I genuinely preferred diamond, but because a diamond engagement ring is symbolically significant, and easily recognizable as such. My wife and I got matching rings, and they were like $250 each. If I get engaged again, I'd probably still go for a diamond engagement ring, but maybe something lab grown. With silver instead of white gold.
/r/PurplePillDebate10/09/17 04:22 PM
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Yes The worst pain I've ever experienced. I would dream about trying to kill myself and it not working, and wake up sobbing. I previously identified as a lesbian. While she was abusing me and the relationship was going down in flames, I experimented with, and ultimately got into a relationship with a man. If it weren't for his efforts, and my eventual pregnancy, I would likely be dead (by her hand or mine). He and I are still together more than a decade later. Even though we are poly, I have avo…
/r/PurplePillDebate10/09/17 04:12 PM
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Your argument is flawed. Nobody is arguing that every woman ever is strong, only that the fact that they have to be in order to succeed in spite of oppression, or somehow be responsible for keeping themselves from being raped is unfair, and needs to change.
/r/PurplePillDebate10/09/17 03:28 PM
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And this is why being "provided for" and being "lavished with gifts" is a terrible situation to be in. Being dependent on someone gives them power over you, and complicates what should be a fairly straightforward decision to make. If you want to trade your body/companionship for financial and material gain, sex work is far more lucrative and honest. Then you can get your emotional and sexual needs met without getting trapped in a shitty relationship with a cheater because your lifestyle is depen…
/r/PurplePillDebate07/09/17 10:35 PM
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This definition of "male sexuality" seems to partially or completely exclude a lot of men.
/r/PurplePillDebate06/09/17 03:04 AM
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Abortion is about bodily autonomy. Child support is about the taxpayer not wanting to pay for abandoned children, because our society has already determined that we are willing to provide resources (welfare, food stamps, medicaid etc) to children in poverty. If there were a way to move a developing fetus to another host body or some sort of incubator, you can bet the debate on abortion would change drastically. Just like if UBI were a thing, the debate on financial abortion would change drastica…
/r/PurplePillDebate05/09/17 01:04 PM
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It's only gay if you view cuddling as an inherently sexual act. If you can cuddle with someone without being sexually or romantically attracted to them, you can cuddle with someone of any gender without implications of it being representative of your sexuality.
/r/PurplePillDebate04/09/17 11:54 PM
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Cuddling is not gay. You can make the argument for kissing, but if you're not making out, I'd still say not necessarily gay. I've seen plenty of straight dudes do this stuff if the situation is right. Like, one of my partner's friends kissed him at a party we were at a few months back. My partner's straight, his friend sleeps with tons of chicks (though I don't know how he identifies). It was just like a kiss between friends in a room full of people.
/r/PurplePillDebate04/09/17 11:35 PM
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IRL that's not the case at all.
/r/PurplePillDebate04/09/17 04:09 PM
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White lies and other such harmless deceptions are a critical component of social interaction in our society. They aren't remotely the same.
/r/PurplePillDebate04/09/17 04:02 PM
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Perhaps, but just because it's no longer taboo for it to be publicly acknowledged, doesn't mean it's some sort of epidemic. I used to read a lot of fanfiction in the 90's. And besides, the "shipping" of opposite sex persons who were just friends has been going on openly forever.
/r/PurplePillDebate04/09/17 04:00 PM
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Yeah, on the internet. And that's been going on for at least 20 years.
/r/PurplePillDebate04/09/17 02:46 PM
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I may run with an especially open-minded crew in an especially liberal area, but if one of my guy friends got offended by the thought that someone thought he was gay, he'd probably get ridiculed with accusations of homophobia. Like, getting high and cuddling, or randomly kissing isn't a big deal. Or being openly bicurious. Being hit on by attractive gay dudes is generally considered flattering. And most of us are over 30.
/r/PurplePillDebate04/09/17 02:19 PM
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White lies are used by everyone, not just women. For instance, if your mom makes a pretty mediocre dinner, but instead of telling her that she's a shitty cook, you thank her for the delicious meal. White lies are also known for being for the benefit of the person you are lying to, and for being unimportant. They're not anything like the manipulative, self serving tactics employed by TRP or the shadier side of PUA.
/r/PurplePillDebate04/09/17 05:14 AM
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Like sexbots that can fully participate and don't just lay there? Provided we're not talking about AI or anything approaching sentience, I think a lot of couples will use them for low effort threesomes. I bet rent-a-bot services will spring up for those who don't want to make the investment, and a lot of the moralizing against it will be stymied when it comes to light how many married couples (and not just "creepy" men) use them.
/r/PurplePillDebate04/09/17 03:07 AM
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There's a world of difference between self improvement that makes you more desirable or attractive, and trying pseudo-psychological tricks to try to make someone attracted to you. The problem is that they're usually packaged together.
/r/PurplePillDebate04/09/17 03:00 AM
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Intimacy and deep emotional connections are important for mental health and well-being. If you can only access intimacy or vulnerability in a sexual or romantic relationship, it becomes far more important. If you have access to nonsexual intimate contact, you don't require sex just to get intimacy. While I would agree with the first part of this CMV in general, I don't think it's going to remain the case for that much longer. Homophobia is dying, and men can have increasing amounts of physical c…
/r/PurplePillDebate04/09/17 02:46 AM
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If by "responding" you mean to ditch and find other people who don't pull that shit, then sure, I guess all women respond to it.
/r/PurplePillDebate03/09/17 06:56 PM
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When did I ever say that smiling or saying hi is harassment?
/r/PurplePillDebate03/09/17 06:51 PM
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Be a date in a homophobic environment? I mean, there are variations in personality traits and skills sets that are more typically occuring in people of a particular gender, but there's enough variation between people of the same gender to make that moot.
/r/PurplePillDebate03/09/17 06:38 PM
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You can't know 100%, but if you have basic to intermediate social skills, you should be able to determine with reasonable accuracy. Generally, if you get it wrong, it's because the person you were attempting to interact with was receptive to your approach, but were to shy/socially incompetent to make it known. False positives are much rarer. I suppose it depends on your definition of "bad". If you don't mind coming across as someone who harasses and imposes themselves on people who try to be pol…
/r/PurplePillDebate03/09/17 06:35 PM
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"women" don't respond to misogyny, manipulation, and emotional abuse. A subset of them do. Generally those who are mentally unwell and/or have incredibly poor self esteem. If you want to be a shitty person, who self selects for shitty partners, don't be surprised when you end up with only shitty, disloyal partners.
/r/PurplePillDebate03/09/17 06:00 PM
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Seddit isn't too bad. Still not ideal, but it leaves out the worst of TRP stuff.
/r/PurplePillDebate03/09/17 05:54 PM
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Depends on how you do it. If you ignore social cues and force an unwanted interaction, it's not going to be well perceived.
/r/PurplePillDebate03/09/17 04:06 PM
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So people in unhappy, failing relationships try something different, and it sometimes works. I don't understand how that supports your position. It's almost like different people have different desired relationship dynamics and attractions. The thing about TRP, is there's a lot of good self improvement stuff mixed in with all the crap. It's not surprising that some people who prefer their partners to "lead" in the relationship might eat it up if their partner suddenly puts down the game controll…
/r/PurplePillDebate03/09/17 04:01 PM
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I don't even know where to begin with all of the wrong you are. Holy sweeping assumptions, Batman! BTW, stories on MRP of how their wives told them to go fuck themselves and left aren't very popular.
/r/PurplePillDebate03/09/17 03:25 PM
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Nobody ever said there was anything wrong with being confident, charismatic, and funny. Just don't be misogynistic, manipulative, and emotionally abusive. There is no "anti-nerd" conspiracy. But if you're talking about people with poor social skills who neglect their appearance, obviously socially adept, attractive people will do better with all things that require social interaction (not just dating).
/r/PurplePillDebate03/09/17 02:49 PM
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I like androgynous and gender nonconforming people, but that lines up with my belief system pretty well. I had to come to terms with the idea that while I identify with pansexuality, my chances of wanting to be with a cisgender hetero dude is pretty fucking slim. I find feminine women attractive, but am not generally attracted to them.
/r/PurplePillDebate01/09/17 04:10 PM
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I've known multiple women who've dated younger men, but I think that typically, women aren't socialized to value youth in their partners the way men are. As such, they're less likely to overlook lower levels of maturity or experience than a man is, since their being young isn't a positive quality to balance out perceived flaws that stem from their youth.
/r/PurplePillDebate01/09/17 08:15 AM
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Feminism and men's rights are two sides of the same coin. Trying to dismantle the system of gender based prejudice and assumptions that hurt both men and women, though in different ways. We should be natural allies instead of enemies.
/r/MensRights30/08/17 10:23 PM
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If it was a dude, I would question what motive he had for not using the men's room. Given that men's rooms are typically less busy than ladies rooms in gender balanced environments, it suggests that he has some agenda apart from just having to pee. If it's a chick, she's in her appropriate washroom, so I wouldn't question it. Honestly, if I saw a male looking person in a dress in a ladies room, I would just assume that she's trans, and not give it a second thought. Or we could just get rid of ur…
/r/MensRights30/08/17 09:27 PM
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People seriously just need to not have sex with people who don't want to have sex with them. If you can't tell if they're into it, stop. If they're such a shitty lay that you can't tell if they're into it or you're raping them, it's on them to make it clear they're consenting (and you shouldn't fuck them anyway, have some standards). If you can't tell but you're so desperate/lame that you want to fuck them anyway, check in and make sure they want to. If you don't want to check in because you thi…
/r/PurplePillDebate30/08/17 12:44 AM
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Eh, you could probably program some audio clips from porn into a portable speaker if you're concerned about your doll's lack of consent.
/r/PurplePillDebate26/08/17 03:55 AM
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Well if it came in a box, you can safely assume consent.
/r/PurplePillDebate26/08/17 03:28 AM
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Well, yeah. If she's laying there unresponsive, she's not enjoying herself, and you shouldn't be having sex with someone who doesn't want to have sex with you. She could also be passed out, which is an automatic revocation of consent. If she's seriously such a terrible lay that enjoyable sex for her is indistinguishable from rape, its on her to prove otherwise.
/r/PurplePillDebate26/08/17 03:17 AM
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Expecting your sex partners to be an even remotely active participant in your sexual encounters is like the bare minimum for even the lowest of standards. Otherwise, it's basically masturbation using a living sex doll. If someone actually wants to have sex with you, they'll participate in sex. If they don't, well, you shouldn't have sex with people who don't want to have sex with you.
/r/PurplePillDebate26/08/17 02:39 AM
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Right? Like, if you're fucking someone, they should be fucking you back. If they expect to just lay there silent and motionless and get fucked, then they're a shitty lay, and you shouldn't have sex with them.
/r/PurplePillDebate25/08/17 11:33 PM
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If someone can safely get up and leave, they don't have to be verbally confrontational. They could just get up and leave, maybe making some excuse as they do so. Are you actually suggesting that all women should be able to safely and successfully resist a man who's forcibly raping her?
/r/PurplePillDebate25/08/17 11:26 PM
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If someone ignores all of your signals of nonconsent (unresponsiveness, redirection, turning your head etc), there's a decent chance that explicitly telling them to stop won't stop them either. You can then escalate your resistance and risk getting severely beaten prior to your rape, or you can not resist, and then deal with the situation after when you're safe. If someone doesn't have the social skills to tell whether or not their partner is enthusiastically consenting, and is unwilling to verb…
/r/PurplePillDebate25/08/17 09:49 PM
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I'm not sure which class of people you're referring to, but I'd say give it a few generations. I mean, hormonal contraception has only been around for a couple of generations, and it wasn't available to everyone to start. It used to be that you needed the permission of your husband to even get a prescription, so too bad if you weren't married or your husband refused. Change takes time.
/r/PurplePillDebate25/08/17 09:12 PM
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Humans are not solitary creatures, and most are on the heterosexual end of the spectrum. While there may be an uptick in the number of single parent clans forming, people still have a desire for forming romantic relationships. Once the millennia of social conditioning is truly shed, people will seek out partners that offer greater compatibility than their ability to provide resources or their caregiving skills. Since people will not be forced to pair up for survival, there may be an increase in …
/r/PurplePillDebate25/08/17 01:58 PM
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For thousands upon thousands of years, the evolution of human society was structured around women constantly getting pregnant and having babies. Men becoming the "providers" is the result of humanity optimizing it's ability to successfully raise the next generation. The division of labour and gender roles makes sense on a societal level in that context. Reliable contraception has changed everything. With women in control of their fertility, men and women are no longer bound by their traditional …
/r/PurplePillDebate25/08/17 04:46 AM
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Does it count if my abusive partner wasn't a man? BPD. Not even once.
/r/PurplePillDebate25/08/17 04:00 AM
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Imposing victimhood on people without their consent is not understanding. It's just a way of demonizing their identity without directly blaming them. If a women in sex work is offered "understanding" because it's not her fault, what does that say about women who choose it? Are they being told that they don't have the agency? Or that no woman in her right mind would knowingly agree to "being exploited"? I suppose it depends on what circles you move in. I used to work at an escort agency, and I ca…
/r/PurplePillDebate19/08/17 02:30 PM
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Society has determined that sex work is immoral, and therefore everyone who participates in the industry is shamed. The judgement visited on a senior citizen for making use of a sex worker's services is nothing compared to the lifelong judgement the woman providing those services will face. There are cultures where using using sex workers is normalized, but the sex workers to themselves are considered lower than dirt. Once engaging in casual sex loses its moral implications (don't try to say it …
/r/PurplePillDebate19/08/17 01:46 PM
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I dunno. My lack of consistent gender specific traits aligns with my rejection of gender roles, queer status, and my non-binary leaning gender identity. If you're talking about in what ways do I not fit the stereotypes for my biological sex or my outwardly apparent gender, there's probably too much to list. Then again, gender stereotypes are culturally specific.
/r/PurplePillDebate18/08/17 12:47 AM
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I've been in a poly relationship for over a decade. I don't feel like there's a loser in my relationship.
/r/PurplePillDebate16/08/17 12:24 AM
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Its more like polyamory is a subset of nonmonogamy, with the classic NSA open relationship being another. The definitions are a bit fuzzy, with some similarities between an open relationship and hierarchical poly, but poly people tend to engage in multiple relationships with a romantic component, as opposed to just having lots of NSA sex.
/r/PurplePillDebate16/08/17 12:21 AM
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ITT: People who think that polyamory is just another word for an open relationship.
/r/PurplePillDebate15/08/17 07:38 PM
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Scholarships and bursaries would be a good start. I imagine more men would choose childcare as a career if it was almost free to get into, and the government support through policy could help with the cultural shift. Not only would there be an increased benefit for children lacking solid male role models, but the next generation would grow up seeing men in caregiving roles, which would help disassociate caregiving and it's related traits from being associated with women which could have positive…
/r/PurplePillDebate15/08/17 05:54 PM
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I never said they did, just that women lose their clear advantage. There is something to be said for not having to wade through a bunch of guys who say they're cool with poly, but then don't want to get emotionally involved, or if they do fall in love, suddenly aren't so cool with it after all, or start insisting on an OPP. Finding a poly ltr as a hetero woman can be incredibly time consuming and emotionally taxing.
/r/PurplePillDebate15/08/17 05:40 PM
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What does cheating have to do with polyamory? Poly people are typically super opposed to cheating or anything to do with it. Even "don't ask, don't tell" policies aren't well received by the poly community.
/r/PurplePillDebate15/08/17 05:22 PM
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Do you know many poly people? Because this really doesn't describe my relationship or the poly people I personally know. It may be easier for women to find casual male sex partners, but when it comes to female partners or forming lasting, quality relationships, women don't generally have the upper hand.
/r/PurplePillDebate15/08/17 02:45 PM
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There have been strides in making it so women can enter into male dominated fields, but not a lot has been done to make the reverse acceptable for men. This hurts all genders by perpetuating the idea of gender based skills and aptitudes, as well as harmful stereotypes of for example, male child care workers being potential molesters. I would love to see a "men in caregiving" campaign along the same lines as the "women in trades" or "women in STEM" campaigns we've seen. I am aware that people of …
/r/PurplePillDebate15/08/17 05:00 AM
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I was home on mat leave and then working very part time for a few years. I also started a daily drinking habit during that time. Being stuck at home is a special kind of hell for some people. Never again. When I got laid off, I made it 4 months before I enrolled in school and voluntarily gave up the rest of my EI. Don't get me wrong, I love my kids, but I'd rather be more of a dad than a mom.
/r/PurplePillDebate12/08/17 12:54 AM
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I will go into your individual points later/tomorrow. Currently studying for a midterm.
/r/MensRights10/08/17 06:16 PM
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Currently getting caffeinated. Perhaps I will be able to express myself better. Here goes. The patriarchy is a system that positions men as stronger (superior) and women as weaker (inferior). One of the ways it does so is by assigning various traits a label of "masculine" or "feminine", which then generally (with a few exceptions) confers the label of strength or weakness to that trait. For the masculine side, aside from physical ability, there's traits like dominance, stoicism, independence, ag…
/r/MensRights10/08/17 06:00 PM
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You completely misunderstood just about everything I said.
/r/MensRights10/08/17 04:47 PM
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Disclaimer: these are my opinions. I do not pretend to be any sort of authority. I suppose it depends on your idea of being oppressed. A male dv victim who ends up arrested because of judicial bias, for instance, may feel pretty oppressed. Poverty is perhaps the greatest oppressor of all, but it impacts men and women in different ways that are directly related to their gender (intersectionality). Maybe I'm not connected to the movement, but I see all of these gender related issues as being conne…
/r/MensRights10/08/17 03:16 PM
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I'm a feminist and I care passionately about men's rights. I have the opinion that the majority of gender based issues are the direct cause of the patriarchy, and both men and women get screwed by it. My dislike of the patriarchy doesn't mean I'm bashing men. One of the ways that makes a system so effective at oppression is by tricking us into thinking that we're each oppressing the other, when in fact it's the system that is oppressing us both, but just in different ways.
/r/MensRights10/08/17 05:43 AM
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That's why that definition of virginity is BS. Like there are probably gay porn actors who are "virgins" by that definition.
/r/PurplePillDebate05/08/17 09:31 PM
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I'm queer. I was sexually active for years before I had heterosexual sex. Married even.
/r/PurplePillDebate05/08/17 06:38 PM
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Define "lost your virginity"
/r/PurplePillDebate05/08/17 06:09 AM
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Ah, back to a time when the multiple families packed into each unsafe tenement, people literally died because doctors didn't work for free, and children were pulled from school at age 10 to work cleaning rich peoples houses or to work in the mines. I imagine that all of the women dying from back alley abortions, childbirth (csections are expensive), and the subsequent infections would end up creating a shortage of women, and especially poor women willing to risk death just to get married and hav…
/r/PurplePillDebate26/07/17 06:49 PM
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This is one of those ideas that sounds great in theory, but is basically at a minimum an aggressive eugenics program, and very easily a form of genocide. Don't forget, it's not that long ago that the impoverished, disabled, and other "undesirables" (for instance, single mothers of rape babies) were forcibly sterilized in the United States. The potential for abuse in a system that decides who gets to breed is too dangerous to consider.
/r/PurplePillDebate20/07/17 03:35 AM
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Rubbernecking I find strict, gender based categorizations of human behaviour and relationships ridiculous and hilarious. See #1. It's good for awareness of some of the underlying rationale of people with these gender based rules of how people are supposed to interact. Just because I fundamentally disagree with someone, doesn't mean I don't want to understand them. And they do make up probably the majority of the larger world, so it helps me navigate interactions with them. Helps me avoid women w…
/r/PurplePillDebate17/07/17 05:22 PM
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Mid 30's poly, queer, brown, Jewish chick. Couple of kids, pets, ex-wife, and a partner of over a decade who I do not share finances/mortgage/primary residence with. Awkward as fuck, probably just barely on the spectrum, but being a cis female and apparently attractive (dunno, I'm not my type), I get by ok. I come here mostly because it's all so absurd to me. Gender typical behaviour and stereotypical heterosexual interaction is something I've never really been comfortable with. Not so much the …
/r/PurplePillDebate30/06/17 03:29 AM
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Sounds like an effortless threesome to me.
/r/PurplePillDebate26/06/17 03:28 PM
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I kept the kid, got a job, and tried to leave my partner. I offered the no child support in exchange for no custody deal, but even though he never wanted kids, he chose to stick around. We maintain separate residences though, and have separate finances. If he had wanted to be a sahd, I would have been willing to support that, but neither of us is interested on giving up our independence or autonomy. Anyways, your scenario is flawed. If a woman is capable of paying her and her kid's own way, the …
/r/PurplePillDebate17/06/17 08:09 PM
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Lol. When I experienced an unplanned pregnancy as an unemployed student at 23, my partner's income, or whether or not he wanted kids mattered exactly zero in my decision making. This scenario is pushing some sort of agenda that doesn't translate to real life, while providing none of the relevant information. As far as this scenario goes, if both women want a baby, and are prepared for the hit to their career, they will keep it. If they don't, the dad who wants the baby might have a shot at convi…
/r/PurplePillDebate17/06/17 04:06 PM
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Prolly ended up here from rubbernecking on incels or trp. Am now convinced that I'm some special snowflake unicorn, since I identify with all of 2% of the shit that my assigned gender is supposed to.
/r/PurplePillDebate13/06/17 04:23 AM
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Who says relationships can't develop after sex?
/r/PurplePillDebate07/06/17 11:48 PM
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The mental load is real, but it's not necessarily entirely the woman's burden. For instance, I have a male friend who's married to a much younger woman, and he not only has a stressful job with long hours, he has to take charge of most of the domestic matters as well. Pretty sure he does most of the house work too, but they have a DINK lifestyle with a small place, so he can handle it. If I'm honest though, I don't think he respects his wife as an equal. In my relationship, I have pretty much al…
/r/PurplePillDebate04/06/17 11:32 PM
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I dunno. A 6? I love him, and he is kinda pretty, but I only rarely find him physically hot. Though considering how often attractive women basically throw themselves at him, I may just be too gay to appreciate him.
/r/PurplePillDebate04/06/17 04:39 PM
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Ewwww! Ok, seriously though, as long as it's playful and not sexual, it can be fun to get playfully physical with people I'm comfortable with. What's really fun though, is if it's with someone who is of comparable strength/ability. The battle for dominance (and the ability to be the dominant one) is what makes it worthwhile. If it's someone much stronger than me, I have to be the aggressor, and they can only defend. Someone stronger than you using their strength to overpower you is shitty and sc…
/r/PurplePillDebate22/05/17 03:46 AM
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Feminism provides women with choice. If a woman, or even most women choose to embody stereotypically feminine qualities or form traditionally structured relationships, that's their choice, and they shouldn't be shamed for it. For the women that aren't "feminine" or who prefer a non-traditional relationships, feminism has given them the option.
/r/PurplePillDebate22/05/17 12:39 AM
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Physically strength is not what I meant by "stronger". And while physical strength was once of utmost importance, it is becoming less so due to technological advances. A person of any gender with a gun beats a man without. We do not live in a society where physical strength determines who's in charge, and if I require protection, I will call the police, and the responding officer will often be a woman. You may feel that "emotional labour" is a bullshit term, but even if it were called "domestic …
/r/PurplePillDebate21/05/17 09:25 PM
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I'm not disputing the fact that men are physically stronger. I'm saying that being physically stronger doesn't translate into any sort of general superiority in current western society. And yes, plenty of women actively participate in upholding the patriarchy because it benefits them. The idea that a woman's body isn't her own is a product of millennia of women being the property of her father or her husband. Marital rape used to not be a thing too, and there were plenty of women who wholehearte…
/r/PurplePillDebate21/05/17 06:08 PM
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The patriarchy is the ideological system that positions men as the stronger, superior sex, and women as being helpless and needing protection. You can see the effects of this ideology in everything from family courts that are more likely to award primary custody to women, to the primarily male lawmakers who think they have the right to decide what a woman gets to do with her body. All genders can play the system to "win" if they want to play up their predesigned gender roles, but for those who d…
/r/PurplePillDebate21/05/17 05:57 PM
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Fuck no. I love men. I care passionately about the gender based issues facing both men and women, and see them as extensions of the same root problem (patriarchy or biological reality). I consoder it something of a minor injustice that I'm almost exclusively attracted to women, since I tend to get along better and have more in common with men. I only hate the patriarchy, and those who seek to actively perpetuate it, regardless of gender identity.
/r/PurplePillDebate21/05/17 05:25 PM
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Am not blue pill (or any pill), but basically what we think of as "female privilege" is just a reflection of the patriarchy that gives certain advantages to women. Since this "privilege" is entirely based on ideas of male superiority, it doesn't count as genuine privilege. As far as what I think of it, I'd prefer to do away with the patriarchy altogether, but if the deck is going to be stacked against me, I guess I'll take whatever advantages I can. Especially since as a queer person who prefers…
/r/PurplePillDebate03/05/17 02:40 PM
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I fail to see how this has anything to do with what I said.
/r/PurplePillDebate18/04/17 04:14 PM
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Its just that when having sex with an enthusiastically consenting partner, even if they're shy or somewhat passive, its pretty obvious they're into it by their active participation. And for the odd case where someone is so passive that you're not sure, you probably shouldn't be having sex with them. Sounds like a shitty lay, anyways. And there's really no way to mistake excitement for something unrelated for sexual excitement. I can't even comprehend how that would be a thing.
/r/PurplePillDebate18/04/17 07:32 AM
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Serious question, and I'm not meaning to offend, but have you ever had sex before?
/r/PurplePillDebate18/04/17 07:09 AM
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Lol. TIL I'm not a woman. This sub is hilarious.
/r/PurplePillDebate30/03/17 05:19 PM
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In what universe is having sex with someone against their will not considered an abusive act?
/r/PurplePillDebate27/03/17 08:03 PM
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Am I missing something, or is there not a huge push to get women in trades? Like, if I decided to go to trade school, there are women in trades programs with extra funding available to me. Tradeswomen can face discrimination from customers when interacting with the public (such as in repair work), so I imagine that must be offputting to some. Also, not super relevant, but I think tradeswomen are really hot.
/r/PurplePillDebate13/03/17 06:30 AM
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My partner and I are currently together, but during a break several years ago, I suggested that we switch up who stays in my house with the kid, and who stays at his shared rooming place as a fair and affordable way to share custody. I've met another woman who was looking to do something similar with her STBX.
/r/PurplePillDebate17/02/17 06:33 AM
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Yeah, there are a ton of risk factors for deviant behaviour that are correlated with single parent homes. Poverty (and it's multitude of associated risk factors) being the major one, and lack of parental monitoring between ages 9-16.
/r/PurplePillDebate14/02/17 01:52 AM
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In contrast to the American one, unless you're super rich, it kind of is. I mean, I recently had a baby. Like 20 doctor's visits, a couple of ultrasounds, a bunch of lab work, hospital delivery and two night stay. Total out of pocket? The cost of prenatal supplements (could have gotten them for free if I was in need), like $20 for parking at the hospital, and maybe $30 for fast food because the hospital food didn't really do it for me. People with good insurance in the US often pay thousands. It…
/r/PurplePillDebate14/02/17 12:38 AM
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That's mostly a myth. I mean, yeah, it might take a few weeks or months to get a knee replacement, but it'll still only cost you hospital parking, and Joe Smith gets his emergency surgery like right away. We like to complain, but no way would we trade our system for an American style one. Everyone, and I mean absolutely every citizen or permanent resident is covered. It's great for individuals because it comes out of our taxes and costs less per capita, and it's great for businesses, because the…
/r/PurplePillDebate14/02/17 12:20 AM
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Canada. And yes, a functional social support system really improves the quality of life for the majority of people.
/r/PurplePillDebate13/02/17 07:08 PM
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Top income tax bracket is just over 50%. We also have universal health care and cheaper post secondary than the US. Medical/Maternity/Parental leave is covered under employment insurance. Edit: Just your income over 200k a year is taxed at over 50% (actual rate varies slightly across the country).
/r/PurplePillDebate13/02/17 06:51 PM
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Where I'm from, that is how parental leave works. 15 weeks of maternity to recover from childbirth (whether live or stillbirth), and 35 weeks parental leave for new (including adoptive) parents to be taken by either parent, or divided between the two. If bedrest is required beforehand, its covered under medical leave, and is unrelated to parental leave.
/r/PurplePillDebate13/02/17 05:27 PM
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Way to invalidate the marriages of people who are either unable or uninterested in sex, not to mention LGB people.
/r/PurplePillDebate14/12/16 09:04 PM
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Yeah, my partner used to avoid hooking up with women he met through his career, because he wanted them to like him for him, as well as it being too easy. Unfortunately, he's a bit too well known in our town now, so he basically just said "fuck it" and hooks up with whoever seems interesting regardless, since he never knows if they recognize him unless they say something.
/r/PurplePillDebate09/12/16 03:15 AM
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I think it's weird that monogamy is the default. I mean, it's a valid relationship model that's preferred by many, but the idea that a closed relationship is assumed and an open one is the oddity is strange to me. My partner and I started our relationship as open/poly. 10 years and 2 kids later, it's what works best for us.
/r/PurplePillDebate02/12/16 06:31 PM
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Maybe it's because I grew up thinking I was ugly, but holy hell, this has not been my experience. That part where the guys stop trying to pick you up and start talking to you like a person? That's the best thing ever! I still get free drinks and drugs, and if I'm chilling with someone, I buy them a drink or two as well. I have way more fun when I can have real conversations with real people, instead of trying to navigate some ridiculously elaborate mating ritual where I get empty attention but d…
/r/PurplePillDebate02/12/16 04:27 PM
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If you want answers, look to the queer community, where people are unconcerned with how they're perceived by the opposite sex. Which group is stereotypically (as in, doesn't apply to everyone) concerned with appearances? Which group isn't? There's a reason that the gay male stereotype is far more image conscious than the straight male, and the lesbian is far less image conscious. It's because they know their target markets so well. That's not to say that women don't appreciate a visually attract…
/r/PurplePillDebate01/12/16 06:11 PM
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You realize that there's a lot more to addiction than physical dependence, right? Like, there are loads of people who take hard drugs or prescription narcotics, but only some people who get addicted. Have you ever done hard drugs? Known people who have?
/r/PurplePillDebate30/11/16 02:09 AM
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I've had multiple people (men and women) tell me I'm intimidating, either because of my intelligence, perceived attractiveness, or both. I've never lacked for sexual/romantic attention or relationships though.
/r/PurplePillDebate29/11/16 05:05 AM
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I would disagree with the idea. It's true that there are people who don't cheat because their circumstances don't allow for it or make it worthwhile, but some people are just naturally monogamous. My partner is a musician, and many of the guys he plays with are super loyal to their girlfriends/wives. Like, on tour, attractive women literally offering themselves to them, and they won't even consider it because they're genuinely not interested. My partner, on the other hand, isn't inclined towards…
/r/PurplePillDebate23/11/16 02:18 AM
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I don't think the woman should pay for the entire first date anymore than the man should. When I used to date men, I would always offer to split the check, or pay for a portion of the date if that was rejected(for instance, paying the tip or for drinks etc). I would be pretty choked if I was with someone who "forgot their wallet" on a first date, regardless of gender. I can and do offer to cover the whole bill with women, but it's awfully presumptuous to expect it. Also, if someone can go out wi…
/r/PurplePillDebate19/11/16 03:46 PM
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Only in cultures in which makeup is considered an exclusively feminine trait. There are indigenous cultures where men paint their faces to make themselves more attractive to women. Also, in the 80's there were plenty of non-goth men who wore eyeliner, and it was considered attractive.
/r/PurplePillDebate17/11/16 03:06 PM
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You mean aside from the fact that I know he has a girlfriend? It would be really upsetting. His persona is of a genuinely decent and respectful person.
/r/PurplePillDebate12/11/16 05:15 AM
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Aside from her female anatomy and biology, nothing that couldn't be found in another partner of the same gender. While men and women are stereotypically different, individuals of different genders are not necessarily so.
/r/PurplePillDebate12/11/16 03:36 AM
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No. You know, if men want to view me in an objectifying manner, that's their business. I can pretend it doesn't happen, and don't believe in thoughtcrime. What I don't appreciate is being treated that way. I don't care about how supposedly attractive or "high value" that person is. If someone is catcalling me, they're automatically a disrespectful jerk in my mind. But you know what? I can deal with some catcalling if they stop when I don't respond. It's not like I can spend my life locked in my …
/r/PurplePillDebate12/11/16 03:29 AM
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Hey, they had a "primarily homosexual" option. Finally, a survey that gets me! But yeah, it was seemed a little simplistic in it's delivery.
/r/PurplePillDebate11/11/16 03:26 PM
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H. Clinton getting a pedo off for sexual abuse This is not an argument against her suitability. Defense attorneys don't just work with the innocent. If anything, it just proves how good she was at her job. I agree that she was an otherwise terrible candidate.
/r/PurplePillDebate09/11/16 04:17 PM
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Because he's a racist, misogynistic, corrupt asshole, who actually advocates for torture, or for killing innocent people to punish the bad. I mean, I totally get why someone would vote for him over Clinton, but to actually enthusiastically support him? At best, he's the lesser of two terrible options.
/r/PurplePillDebate09/11/16 04:13 PM
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And if the routine paternity blood test showed a discrepancy, the parents could pursue a more official one.
/r/PurplePillDebate08/11/16 10:26 PM
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Are you prolife or prochoice? Pro choice, to a point Would you personally get an abortion if you found yourself pregnant today? Fuck, that would suck so much ass, but no, I wouldn't Would you have an abortion if you wanted to keep it, but your husband/boyfriend/other told you to have an abortion? Fuck no. My partner is aware of this, and didn't even bother trying to convince me when I got pregnant. If you found yourself inconveniently pregnant and wanted to abort it, would you keep it if your hu…
/r/PurplePillDebate08/11/16 09:15 PM
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Well, that would be completely unnecessary for a routine paternity blood test.
/r/PurplePillDebate08/11/16 07:49 PM
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Canadian, so not voting, but I would vote for Jill Stein. Honestly, it's lose-lose as far as I can see. Leaning towards hoping for a Clinton presidency, but I suspect that the short term horror of a Trump presidency would be better in the long run for democracy. Provided he doesn't start a nuclear war, which is a not insignificant risk. But on the bright side, both those jokers make Harper look a lot better by comparison.
/r/PurplePillDebate08/11/16 05:54 PM
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There's more on the ballot than just who to vote into the oval office. If you can't vote for one of the presidential candidates, consider voting for in the down ticket races.
/r/PurplePillDebate08/11/16 05:51 PM
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Well, yeah. If your routine blood test turns up a risk of neural tube defects, you don't jump right to spina bifida or anencephaly. It's just a flag that further, more precise testing is required.
/r/PurplePillDebate08/11/16 05:32 PM
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Not at all. It's just another routine medical test. The vast majority of children are the child of their presumed father, and if your partner thinks that your kid isn't his until it's proved otherwise, you guys have way bigger issues than him wanting to see a paternity test.
/r/PurplePillDebate08/11/16 04:26 PM
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What is the big deal about paternity testing? I think paternity testing should be standard in all pregnancies, much like testing for neural tube defects or chromosomal abnormalities. Paternity is a big deal medically, and identifying the wrong person as the father means a lifetime of incorrect medical history and risk factors.
/r/PurplePillDebate08/11/16 03:52 PM
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I don't know about that. I'm apparently conventionally attractive, but queer and poly, and I think I'm probably able to be more objective than most when it comes to gender and dating issues. I think that there are a lot of conventions that both men and women buy into if they don't examine them, regardless of whether or not they're conventionally attractive.
/r/PurplePillDebate07/11/16 04:01 AM
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Sex can be merely an alternative to masturbation, an emotionally fulfilling expression of love and intimacy, and everything in between. It absolutely can be just an enjoyable activity.
/r/PurplePillDebate07/11/16 03:20 AM
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Because the lack of honesty implies a denial of informed consent. The woman doesn't have the full picture of what she's consenting to, hence the idea that she was "tricked" into sleeping with him. Seeing how TRPers refer to the women they sleep with, if the women were aware of how they're being regarded, do you think they would still choose to sleep with them?
/r/PurplePillDebate07/11/16 02:25 AM
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All genders want to get laid (assuming not ace). Some people, regardless of age, prefer to do that within a committed relationship. Why would you trade sex for commitment? Why wouldn't you trade commitment for commitment? Sex is just a part of a healthy relationship, but also an activity that can be enjoyed on its own.
/r/PurplePillDebate07/11/16 02:15 AM
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It should bother you that you are getting used for sex with nothing given in return Uh, no. Sex in exchange for some sort of personal or material gain is prostitution. Not that there's anything wrong with prostitution, but there's also nothing wrong with having sex because it's an activity that you enjoy.
/r/PurplePillDebate06/11/16 11:10 PM
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This is not a debate on the legality of temporary and permanent non-medical body modification on unconsenting parties.
/r/PurplePillDebate06/11/16 09:26 PM
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Because bodily autonomy > rights/fairness of the child > rights/fairness of the parents
/r/PurplePillDebate06/11/16 09:13 PM
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No, he made the choice to have sex with the minute risk that it could result in pregnancy. Once a pregnancy occurs, what happens next is out of his hands. The kid has no choice in the matter, and is a freaking child. Fairness to the child trumps fairness to the father. Child support isn't about the woman being able to impose her choices on the man, it's about the best interests of the child. And, no, it's not what I want to happen. I think that a father should be able to waive his rights and res…
/r/PurplePillDebate06/11/16 04:35 PM
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If you have heterosexual sex, you risk pregnancy. If a woman gets pregnant, abortion may or may not be an option for her for a variety of reasons. If a child is born, it's entitled to the support of both of it's parents. If you can't handle the risk of an unintended pregnancy, get a vasectomy or don't engage in heterosexual intercourse.
/r/PurplePillDebate05/11/16 09:00 PM
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I misunderstood what you meant then. Can you please clarify?
/r/PurplePillDebate05/11/16 05:55 PM
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Why isn't having something forcibly done to your body the same as having to pay a portion of your earnings? Because they're two completely different things.
/r/PurplePillDebate05/11/16 04:57 PM
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I bought porn once for kicks. It wasn't very good. And my ex and I rented some once. I wasn't super into it, but she enjoyed it. If I could find porn I actually enjoyed, I'd probably pay a reasonable amount for it.
/r/PurplePillDebate05/11/16 04:50 PM
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You can be forced to pay for a lot of things you don't want. Plenty of people don't want to pay taxes, speeding tickets etc, but refusing to pay can get you in serious trouble.
/r/PurplePillDebate05/11/16 04:46 PM
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Well that's backwards and counter productive. Is that the US? I imagine only the US could make child support into a punishment, rather than what's in the best interests of the child.
/r/PurplePillDebate05/11/16 02:41 PM
1

Biology, as in the female bodied person is the one who carries the fetus, and therefore is the one who makes decisions about her body.
/r/PurplePillDebate05/11/16 01:27 PM
1

Uh.. What are you talking about? Child support is determined by income, and the worst thing that happens if you fall behind on payments is they garnish your wages if you make over a certain amount, and take away your drivers license. Jailing someone for not paying child support makes no sense unless you're deliberately avoiding it through illegal means.
/r/PurplePillDebate05/11/16 01:25 PM
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That's not what I'm saying at all. Biology is what dictates the inequality that exists in reproductive law, and the ability to punish children from birth for the choices their parents make has no place in even a minimally just society. I am actually in favour of financial abortion, but only if the state is willing to take responsibility when the father is not.
/r/PurplePillDebate05/11/16 08:49 AM
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What's socially constructed about gender is what being male or female means. Society assigns a set of traits and characteristics to each gender, which isn't inherently wrong, but then people discriminate against a person or people of that gender based on opinions or assumptions about that gender and their supposed traits.
/r/PurplePillDebate04/11/16 09:48 PM
1

The problem with this is that women who want to drink will delay getting their pregnancies confirmed so they aren't held responsible for any harm to the fetus. This prevents them from accessing prenatal care and testing, as well as keeps them from people who could attempt to intervene and help them modify their harmful behaviour.
/r/PurplePillDebate04/11/16 08:45 PM
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Ideally, no, but like making abortion illegal, there's no reasonable way to enforce this without seriously infringing on every fertile woman's rights and personal autonomy. The best way to address this is free, accessible, and varied contraceptive options and reproductive health care, education, destigmatizing and funding abortion, and proper social supports and addiction treatments.
/r/PurplePillDebate04/11/16 08:40 PM
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It isn't entirely on the women. The right to bodily autonomy includes the right to not be economically forced into having an abortion. And advocating for financial abortion in the absence of alternative financial support is doing just that. Not to mention that both men and women are responsible for their own reproductive choices. It's not some sort of secret. Everyone knows that women have 100% control over whether or not they have an abortion. Everyone knows that no method of contraception is 1…
/r/PurplePillDebate04/11/16 05:08 PM
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First, abortion and child support might seem like they're related topics, but their not. The idea that an argument for/against child support is equally valid for/against abortion is completely irrelevant. "The child's best interest" is actually a pretty damn good reason for child support. Aside from the fact that poverty, not having sufficient parental monitoring (like if the only parent is working all the time), nutritional deficiencies etc are all risk factors for antisocial behaviour that is …
/r/PurplePillDebate04/11/16 03:05 PM
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I would say that intelligence is a factor that can contribute to attractiveness, but lack of intelligence is kinda an automatic dealbreaker for any sort of relationship. It doesn't matter how confident you are, if you're dumb, I'm going to be turned off.
/r/PurplePillDebate31/10/16 11:33 PM
2

"Femboys" are pretty much the only guys I'd be attracted to. We're talking feminine features, long hair, and maybe some eyeliner? Right up my alley.
/r/PurplePillDebate31/10/16 02:14 PM
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Objectifying women (or people, for that matter) whether or not they are ok with being objectified is bad. Do I really need to spell it out that plainly? Though I suppose you can do whatever you want in your head as long as it isn't reflected in your actions, however creepy it may be. I don't believe in thoughtcrime. And no, women wearing "sexy" clothes are not necessarily choosing to be objectified. Women wearing clothing that our current society has deemed as "sexy" could be wearing them for an…
/r/PurplePillDebate29/10/16 12:46 AM
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How exactly did I contradict myself? And women don't cause men to objectify them with their clothing choices. Men choose to objectify them.
/r/PurplePillDebate28/10/16 11:43 PM
1

I don't wish I was born a different gender. When I was a child, and was presented with the biological sex in conjunction with traditional gender roles, I wished for the gender role that was traditionally associated with the other biological sex. Since I didn't really understand how you can separate them out, I wished I had been born a different gender. I'm perfectly happy with my physical body and sex characteristics.
/r/PurplePillDebate28/10/16 07:13 PM
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Objectifying women = bad. Objectifying individuals who consent to and wish to be objectified = not bad. The difference is informed consent.
/r/PurplePillDebate28/10/16 07:09 PM
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If someone enjoys being objectified, or deliberately promotes their own objectification for personal or financial gain, I'm not going to judge them negatively for it. Adults should be able to make their own sexual choices, as long as they are freely consenting. Objectifying a non consenting person is very different than objectifying someone who is seeking objectification.
/r/PurplePillDebate28/10/16 02:49 PM
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Traditional gender roles caused me a great deal of grief as a kid, and made me wish I had been born a different gender. Except I'm not trans, I just don't fit with my traditional gender role. My gender issues persisted until I got old enough to figure out that biological gender, gender presentation, and gender role didn't have to be the same. My mother was legitimately worried that I was transgender, and if I had known what that was, I may have actually identified as such.
/r/PurplePillDebate28/10/16 02:03 PM
1

Because being touch by someone else is totally traumatizing let alone PTSD. Forcing yourself to consent to sex with someone who is mean to you and makes you feel uncomfortable can absolutely be traumatic.
/r/PurplePillDebate28/10/16 01:16 PM
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Its really both feminists have issues with. More so its an oxymoron for feminism to support prostitution given its against objectification. As prostitution is all about objectification seeing the service you are selling is your body, not some skill or your mind. The feminists I'm familiar with and associate with are supportive of adults making their own sexual choices, as long as nobody is being coerced, exploited, or abused. What issue do you have? More so why should men always be positive with…
/r/PurplePillDebate28/10/16 01:15 PM
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Public attitudes simply cannot be completely controlled nor can universal agreement about appropriate attitudes be achieved. It’s inevitable that differences in attitude will lead to differences in how people are treated. Naturally, people should not be physically harmed, but you cannot control how polite people are. Legally, perhaps not, but public attitudes can be influenced, and impolite people can be shamed for their impoliteness as outliers, rather than it being an acceptable or understanda…
/r/PurplePillDebate28/10/16 01:12 PM
1

You're splitting hairs. It's not about controlling mental attitudes, but how those attitudes are reflected in behaviour. I might think poorly or say, slaughter house workers, or investment bankers, but I certainly wouldn't be disrespectful towards them because nobody should be treated with disrespect because of their occupation. And if someone wants to pay a prostitute to top her in a bdsm scene, obviously there's nothing wrong with finding a provider for whom humiliation/degradation, rough sex …
/r/PurplePillDebate28/10/16 09:21 AM
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Your description appears to the way a misogynist would use the word slut The two are often used interchangeably, despite technically having different meanings.
/r/PurplePillDebate28/10/16 12:12 AM
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In the hypothetical scenario where the buying and selling of specific sex acts is completely legal, theoretically there would be some legal recourse if a service provider refused to provide said acts without justification, but this is an incredibly hypothetical scenario.
/r/PurplePillDebate27/10/16 08:42 PM
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Whore is also a derogatory term most commonly used not to refer to sex workers, but to "promiscuous" women, with the implication that they are immoral, and have less worth as a person.
/r/PurplePillDebate27/10/16 08:38 PM
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Because of the nature of sexual activity, there are no circumstances where someone can be compelled to have sex. In the hypothetical situation where prostitution is completely legal, if someone were to explicitly pay for specific sex acts and not receive it without a justifiable reason, presumably there would be some recourse through the courts or whatever licensing body is involved.
/r/PurplePillDebate27/10/16 08:33 PM
5

That's not what I meant and you know it.
/r/PurplePillDebate27/10/16 08:14 PM
3

You can't legally say that you're going to have sex with someone for money (at least where I live), hence the paying for time, and then two consenting adults can do what they want with their time.
/r/PurplePillDebate27/10/16 07:57 PM
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No, human trafficking is the buying and selling of people. It has nothing to do with buying sex. Buying sex, prostitution is a service, human trafficking is buying and selling items, aka people. You can't force someone to have sex with you, regardless of whether or not you've paid them. The legal loophole is that you've purchased time. If you force someone to have sex for money, that's human trafficking. If you pay someone for their time with the implication of sex, but they refuse to have sex w…
/r/PurplePillDebate27/10/16 07:54 PM
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I agree with nearly everything you said, however while a woman should have full agency over her body, the men are paying for a service. Just like a bakery, barbershop, store or any other business has the full right to refuse service to anyone, so do prostitutes. But they can't take the money and then refuse service to a paying customer. The guy should get a refund. If you pay to get into an all you can eat buffet, but then proceed to scream at the staff and spit on the floor, they would be justi…
/r/PurplePillDebate27/10/16 07:41 PM
1

Well, yeah, but same principle applies. I need to be able to make the choice as to whether or not to risk infection, and at what stage in the relationship I would be willing to do so.
/r/PurplePillDebate27/10/16 07:16 PM
12

Independent contractors are allowed to not accept clients they don't want to work with.
/r/PurplePillDebate27/10/16 07:14 PM
3

I'm increasingly of the opinion that 18 is no longer a solid age to consider someone an adult. The way "young adults" behave today, I'm of the mind that 25 is a better age Neuroscience would agree with you. The brain is still developing at 18.
/r/PurplePillDebate27/10/16 06:33 PM
1

Yes. Absolutely. Not because she had HSV1 (my last girlfriend had oral herpes), but because she denied me informed consent.
/r/PurplePillDebate27/10/16 06:29 PM
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Your going to have to elaborate on this a little more. When you sell a service, your entitling a customer to that service, given some payment you are receiving. You can refuse to give a service or refund money, but otherwise you are required to perform that service. Technically and legally, you can't purchase sex. That would be human trafficking. What you are purchasing, is time with a woman with the implication that sex will occur between two consenting adults. It's in her best interest to have…
/r/PurplePillDebate27/10/16 06:24 PM
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I would think that feminists that support female sex workers while passing a blanket condemnation on their male clients have little to no actual knowledge of the industry. I consider myself a feminist, and I also worked reception for an escort agency for a time. My experiences there do not apply to the street level survival sex trade, in which there is a great deal more exploitation going on, and I would be more likely to pass judgement on the clientele. First of all, though men are overwhelming…
/r/PurplePillDebate27/10/16 05:55 PM
2

Mine have some decent sag to them, nobody has ever really complained, though my partner has a strong preference for me being on my back... I wonder why? Personally, I prefer small breasts. There's generally less sag (mine are quite large proportionately), and the shape of everything is just better. But breasts are breasts, and if I'm touching them, I'm sure as hell not complaining.
/r/PurplePillDebate26/10/16 02:36 PM
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If men are conditioned to prefer sexual encounters that are unenjoyable or downright unpleasant for the majority of women, they're going to have trouble forming satisfying long term sexual relationships. Women like to have sex, but if it's painful, degrading, and unarousing, they'll just stick to their vibrators or find a partner that respects them enough to want the encounter to be mutually satisfying.
/r/PurplePillDebate26/10/16 01:30 AM
1

I would laugh in his face. Seriously. He basically has 20 something "hot" women hitting on him all the time, anyways. I can't imagine what would drive him to such idiocy. Plus we're poly, which red pillers seem to think is being "cucked". Actually, thinking back to when we first got together, he was (and still is) basically what red pill men aspire to be. Aside from being a "leader" in his peer group, he generally had 2-3 women who's company he enjoyed enough to have ongoing NSA relationships wi…
/r/PurplePillDebate26/10/16 01:16 AM
1

I'm not a man, but I sleep with women, and I do have an opinion. I am honestly not a fan of body hair on anyone, but it seems a little less gross on men. Then again, I'm not attracted to men, so that could be why it doesn't bother me. As far as body hair on women goes, I have no preference between shaved or trimmed pubic hair, but completely natural is a turn off. Armpit hair is kinda weird, and I'm fairly indifferent to leg hair when present, but I love freshly shaved legs. Either way, body hai…
/r/PurplePillDebate26/10/16 12:58 AM
2

Straight women would be unable to have monogamous relationships, and in many cases, would be unable to experience a romantic relationship ever. The concept of "family" would change dramatically, with some women forming pairs or groups to raise their kids, and others refusing to have kids without a mate. Lesbians and transmen would be fine, but gay men and transwomen would be screwed. And heaven help the hetero man who just wants a monogamous relationship.
/r/PurplePillDebate25/10/16 01:25 AM
4

I can agree with that. Melons are the awesomest. I like all kinds.
/r/PurplePillDebate24/10/16 06:39 PM
6

Happily partnered w/kids, and queer as fuck. You?
/r/PurplePillDebate24/10/16 06:35 PM
13

I would instinctively call myself curvy at any weight due to my DD+ chest, but it's basically been taken over by people who are overweight, so I usually go with "average". Even when I'm running or biking 5km+ a day, my breasts don't go away, so "fit", "athletic", or "skinny" don't really apply.
/r/PurplePillDebate24/10/16 06:00 PM
1

You can buy them in bulk from ebay or amazon. They can get kind pricey if you're dropping ~$10/test at the drug store.
/r/PurplePillDebate23/10/16 10:43 PM
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It'd be better for me, maybe, but for society? It would be a disaster for everyone, especially the surviving men. They would likely end up losing a large degree of their rights and reproductive agency because they would be too valuable a resource for the survival of the species.
/r/PurplePillDebate23/10/16 10:15 PM
1

When I had the Mirena, I pregnancy tested every 4-6 weeks.
/r/PurplePillDebate23/10/16 09:17 PM
1

Presumably they're not completely straight. Usually alcohol or drugs are involved. Once they find out I'm into women, apparently my body becomes public property or something. I suppose they get away with treating men that way, so they think it's ok to do it to me.
/r/seduction01/02/16 03:18 AM
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As a woman, I agree. Men who hit on me wouldn't dare be so brazen. Maybe if I indicated attraction, but I wouldn't know. Same goes for lesbians. (Mostly) Straight girls though? Super obvious and forward. They're the ones who randomly grope me or shove my hand down their shirts etc. Basically, if your target market is women, you have to be more subtle, but for whatever reason, if you're going for men, it's acceptable to just be like "hey, let's fuck."
/r/seduction29/01/16 05:38 PM
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Youtube link: Everyone Else Has Had More Sex Than Me
/r/seduction11/08/15 04:53 AM
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Woman here, most of this list is specific to women who are into the modern, supposedly non-sexist version of gender roles. That said, 4-8 aren't especially attractive, and 9&10 are situation/conversation dependent. This is just my assessment. I'm also a woman who mostly doesn't date men. FWIW, I'm also not super into "walking me to my cab/bus etc". Why wouldn't I do that for you? That sort of thing depends on how each of us is travelling. If you're taking the bus, and I'm taking a cab, I'll walk…
/r/seduction21/01/15 05:47 AM
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Best I can figure out is that when a woman is open to a relationship, she takes more time deciding if she wants to sleep with someone, because the implications are more long lasting. It's not that she's making herself less sexual, it's that there's so much else tied up with the sexual side of things, that it takes longer for her to feel comfortable being sexual. Someone who's more sexually aggressive can be off-putting because she's just not there yet. Also, some people just aren't into casual s…
/r/seduction07/04/13 06:31 PM
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Why not go out not with the intention of getting sex or finding a relationship, but of interacting with women you like, and basing what you want on what is appropriate to the interactions you have, rather than on some choice you made before you even met her? Some people are decidedly uninterested in finding a relationship, and would be better off weeding out the women who aren't receptive to hooking up.
/r/seduction07/04/13 05:58 PM
1

Some women just don't fit in with femme chicks.
/r/seduction26/02/13 02:06 AM
1

Depends. Are we talking about feminists or feminazis?
/r/MensRights30/06/12 10:03 PM
1

You know, child support would have been cheaper than just paying half of the costs associated with raising the child. He also didn't want any sort of custody. Too much responsibility or something. The idea behind child support in shared custody situations is that it a percentage of your income that is being put towards raising your child, so that no one parent is spending a disproportionate amount of their wage, which allows each household to live fairly within their means. Kids are expensive. I…
/r/MensRights13/10/11 09:46 PM
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How much is rent where you live? It's around $1000/month for a cheap 2 bedroom here. Daycare is $700 - $1000. G-d help you if you don't work 9 - 5. I knew someone who had to go on welfare after her parental leave ran out because her ex quit his job so he wouldn't have to pay and her job required so much overtime that after childcare costs, with subsidy, she wouldn't have been able to afford rent. Childcare subsidies and rental assistance programs give you next to nothing if you make above minimu…
/r/MensRights13/10/11 07:21 PM
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Oh, it's always better when custody and child support are worked out through amicable negotiation. I believe that mediated custody and support arrangements are becoming the norm. It's just not always possible, and in those situations, decisions have to be made for the good of the child. Allowing the parent with the most money to have primary custody simply because they're better able to provide for them is as dangerous a mindset as letting the parent who stayed home with them have custody becaus…
/r/MensRights13/10/11 06:57 PM
1

Well, I'm from the country where government funded maternity leave is 15 weeks and parental leave, which can be taken by either parent or split between them, is 35 weeks. In fact, I begged my partner to switch with me so I could go back to work when my maternity leave was up, but he refused. I was even making almost 1.5x his income. The example I gave was for when the paying parent didn't have any custody. Giving 12% of your income to your ex is not unreasonable when you consider how much the cu…
/r/MensRights13/10/11 06:34 PM
2

When two people choose to have a child together, as in planned or not having an abortion, someone usually has to take time off to raise the child until it can go into daycare. It's something of an unofficial contract. The party that continues working and advancing their career is taking responsibility for providing more financial support...Or I suppose both parents could just hire a nanny and bottle feed from birth so that nobody gets penalized for having kids. And I'm not sure how messed up Ame…
/r/MensRights13/10/11 06:13 PM
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I have to disagree with you there. Yes, 50/50 custody as a default seems obvious, but no child support with 50/50 custody isn't fair. Also an exact 50/50 custody split is a good place to start, but unless the parents live close enough to the children's schools and the like, and have good communication with each other regarding the children, a "one week on, one week off" arrangement isn't going to be in the child's best interests. Usually, one parent will make more money than the other. This is o…
/r/MensRights13/10/11 05:52 PM
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