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So your mother didn’t care about your feelings? OP's story makes it sound like his mom did care about his emotions (though maybe wasn't great at expressing that). It's the other people around him who were unreceptive. Our parents are only part of the socialization we internalize growing up.
/r/PurplePillDebate14/06/26 02:31 AM
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When you are a man, nobody cares how you feel. Dude, that IS patriarchy. Patriarchy is a system of gender norms. Among those norms is the norm that men's emotions are invalid, unimportant, and should not be expressed. [As a man y]ou cannot rely on anyone for empathy. They will be annoyed by you at best and will exploit you at worst. Also patriarchy. You are identifying the low value our system of gender norms assigns to male emotions. In that kind of environment, isn't it only reasonable to supp…
/r/PurplePillDebate14/06/26 02:29 AM
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Not really. "Charisma" is just a different axis than "good person," the same way weight, height, physical attractiveness, etc. are all different axes than each other. You can go up or down one any one of those without necessarily going up or down on the others. A person can simultaneously be charismatic and a horrible person. Charles Manson had charisma (he couldn't have started a cult without it) but he was a terrible human being. Being a good person is something you do because it is an inheren…
/r/PurplePillDebate31/05/26 12:16 PM
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This is a misunderstanding of patriarchy. Patriarchy does not equal "all the men gang up and oppress all the women." Rather, patriarchy is a system of imposed gender norms. There are lots of ways patriarchy oppresses men. Examples include: (a) the way men are punished for emotionally expressing themselves, (b) the way men are expected to be self sacrificing for women, (c) the way people expect men to figure things out for themselves rather than receiving help. Ironically, OP actually spotted an …
/r/PurplePillDebate18/05/26 02:01 PM
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However, the problem that becomes apparent here is that feminist advocates have made it abundantly clear that they have no interest in "returning the favor" and help solve male-specific issues. This is a really poorly informed post along a bunch of dimensions. First, there's a whole fucking subreddit for a feminist approach to men's issues - /r/MensLib. Second, they conveniently have an entire giant list of feminist resources for men's issues. Third, lots of feminists (including female feminists…
/r/PurplePillDebate18/05/26 02:46 AM
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Feminism is confused. No, you're confused. Feminism doesn't refer to a specific viewpoint but rather an intellectual tradition. In that respect it's like liberalism. Thinkers in the liberal tradition don't all agree with each other - for example, Jeremy Bentham, John Stewart Mill, Robert Nozick, and John Rawls are all thinkers in the liberal tradition but they all disagree with each other. Similarly, what makes someone a feminist is their position in a line of thinkers. Someone at Senica in 1848…
/r/PurplePillDebate18/05/26 02:14 AM
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America doesn't draft either men OR women. We do, however, have an uneven paperwork requirement for men only to register for the draft. That should be corrected so that the paperwork requirement is gender neutral.
/r/PurplePillDebate20/04/26 05:31 AM
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Listen to me carefully OP (and I note that you have specifically brought this up in the context of the US): YOU ARE NOT SUBJECT TO A DRAFT America abolished the draft in 1976. Nobody can be or has been drafted since then. The only vestigial requirement that remains is a paperwork registration - a requirement that I perosnally satisfied and can tell you is no burden (however, I do think women should have to do it too). Now, you might say "well, Congress could re-authorize a draft." True. But why …
/r/PurplePillDebate20/04/26 05:24 AM
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This is such a weird, sad post. How well adapted you, an individual, are to this environment or any other is driven far more by your personal decisions than anything else. or the oppressed about fairness towards his oppressor? Also, if you're not a fuckable guy why would you be a fuckable girl? How have women oppressed you? By not letting you fuck them?
/r/PurplePillDebate19/04/26 02:51 PM
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Evolution is an even older scientific finding. Guess what? We're not debating evolution. You're not Darwin. Instead, we are debating your sad-man theory that women have some kind of special genetic wiring in their brain. Your sad-man theory isn't supoorted by actual data so now you're trying to conflate it with a theory that is supported (evolution). Sorry, not gonna let you.
/r/PurplePillDebate19/04/26 02:19 PM
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Men are often talked about like they are emotionally clueless, socially oblivious, or unable to notice disrespect, manipulation, mixed signals, or deeper dynamics. That is usually not true. A lot of men see exactly what is going on. Please stop pretending men are blind. You say "men" but then you go on to describe a list of personality traits that people would normally assign to somebody on the spectrum. I'm a man, and this is not how people describe men generally. It is how people describe auti…
/r/PurplePillDebate18/04/26 11:48 PM
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I'm a man and I can't think of a single context where any single mother has ever blamed me for anything. So, no, single mothers do not blame all men. In fact, the ones I know are all pretty well adjusted and don't spend much time blaming people compared to the normal population. I think you're just stuck in some stereotype.
/r/PurplePillDebate18/04/26 06:04 PM
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Look at the dates on your sources. Buss 1989 surveyed people in 1984–1985 — you're citing forty-year-old cross-sectional data from a world where, in the U.S., husbands were the sole or primary breadwinner in 75%+ of marriages. In Saudi Arabia and Iran (two of Buss's 37 cultures), women still couldn't legally open bank accounts without male permission. Of course women in that world said they wanted partners with "good financial prospects." It would be economically insane to say otherwise. Buss fo…
/r/PurplePillDebate18/04/26 05:47 PM
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Phenomenal link! Thank you! 🙏
/r/PurplePillDebate18/04/26 05:00 PM
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You're trying to give yourself an easier task by setting this up as "either Disney movies or the red pill." But both can be wrong and, in fact, both are equally fiction. But Disney movies are well written, enjoyable fiction - true art. The red pill by contrast is sad, angry fiction.
/r/PurplePillDebate18/04/26 02:22 PM
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Lol. Sorry bro, it doesn't work like that. You can't make facts you don't like go away just by pedantically fixating on the one spot where you think my phrasing is tehnically inaccurate. This is softboy reasoning.
/r/PurplePillDebate18/04/26 02:15 PM
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Who is more likely to be married or have a partner? Someone unemployed or someone with a high income? You haven't done a good job of table setting - your gender neutral phrasing simultaneously asks whether poverty keeps men and women out of relationships and therefore does not test hypergamy. Does wealth affect relationships? Of course it does, in lots of ways. But hypergamy is a specific prediction about how wealth and sex are supposed to interweave. Hypergamy isn't consistent with the growth i…
/r/PurplePillDebate18/04/26 02:01 PM
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Honestly, I think that's the wrong way to think about it. Let's just assume for a moment that being male is a mating disadvantage when when considered at the population level. That doesn't mean that the thing keeping you, an individual, from being successful romantically has anything to do with being male. I've been a man my whole life and there have been (especially when I was young) periods where I couldn't figure out how to get girls to pay attention and periods when doing that has been easy.…
/r/PurplePillDebate18/04/26 03:01 AM
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I'll address the numbers quibble below, but let's start with the fact that you've missed the point. My claim is income hypergamy (or hypogamy) changes across history and societies and therefore isn't genetic. It's not a response to that point to say "well, there's still some hypergamy" because all I need for my point is a shift. Similarly, I could point to changes in minority achievement over time to show that racial gaps are social, not genetic and it wouldn't be a response to say "well, there …
/r/PurplePillDebate17/04/26 11:15 PM
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Tragically, many of them broke their own brains before I got here. 😢
/r/PurplePillDebate17/04/26 11:09 PM
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1.4 is just not consistent with the Red Pill story. 70% of men reproducing isn't consistent with the idea that women only mate with men at the top. We might make it consistent with some much weaker theory - like "most men will be reproductively successful but 30% will not." But (a) that wouldn't fit the manosphere grift culture since it says most men are gonna be fine without buying a PUA book; and (b) it's not that much different than the number for women (a fraction of whom will also not repro…
/r/PurplePillDebate17/04/26 10:58 PM
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Nah, I enjoy writing and am good at it (and got through college before AI) so I did this myself.
/r/PurplePillDebate17/04/26 10:49 PM
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This wasn't written by AI - I come here to write because I like writing. Since I like writing and do it regularly, I am (for now) better at writing than the AI is today. Eventually the AI will be better than me and then I will probably just have it write, but that's for the future. I do use AI to help me think through my ideas and source papers. But, for example, the argument about the y chromosome bottleneck was my idea based on having read papers about the issue in the past. The same with the …
/r/PurplePillDebate17/04/26 10:48 PM
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Your persona (at least here on reddit, probably only here on reddit because most people irl are very tame and agreeable and play along to get along) indicates that you enjoy "owning" and humiliating patriarch men, yes? Explain to me how that behaviour in itself isnt patriarchal? It is patriarchal - you're right! That's actually part of the joke of the character (and to be clear, I_DOM_UR_PATRIARCHY is a character - I don't act like this in real life). But the character is less of an exercise in …
/r/PurplePillDebate17/04/26 10:44 PM
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So let's address both of your cites: https://pmc.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/articles/PMC3886894 - y chromosome has less genetic variance than x, again this can’t be accounted for without sexual selection operating on men more heavily than women and is not specific to bottlenecks This paper concludes the opposite of what you're claiming it does (and actually supports my point). It says low Y-chromosome diversity is NOT explained by sex-biased demography alone; that it's best explained by purifying natural …
/r/PurplePillDebate17/04/26 10:21 PM
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All you need to do is download tinder and chadfish to see how moronic this argument is. Is chadfishing supposed to be some sort of activity where you pretend to be good looking to catfish women? If so, I don't need to do that because I have plenty of women hitting me up on my actual profile, so I don't think I would notice a difference. Note that that's not because I'm super good looking or something - I just made a profile that makes me come across as an interesting person who is kind and does …
/r/PurplePillDebate17/04/26 09:57 PM
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I don’t know anyone who claims hypergamy is a genetically driven phenomenon. You can find the people who inspired this post claiming that last night here. But it's also a claim made in lots of red pill spaces. In fact, the idea behind the red pill (i.e. the red pill that you take in the Matrix metaphor to see reality) is that there's an ugly truth that blue pillers can't see that women have a hypergamous nature. So it's not just some random claim I'm addressing - this is pretty central to the re…
/r/PurplePillDebate17/04/26 09:44 PM
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Women have been conditioned to behave like men. Go to college, build a career, party etc. That's not male behavior - that's the behavior of people with options. It was only "male" behavior during periods of time where women were barred from doing it. It's only when you remove the restrictions that you can see the true human preferences, and it turns out that both genders would like to go to college, make money, and party. Makes total sense - college is a blast, parties are fun, and having money …
/r/PurplePillDebate17/04/26 09:25 PM
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Lol. I actually wrote my post which is why mine is good and yours sucks. But, hilariously, your own AI says I'm right. There’s a solid critique in there Thank you for the concession. 🤡
/r/PurplePillDebate17/04/26 09:21 PM
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People should be able to do what they want with their names, but there shouldn't be a gendered assumption about who does what with their name. In other words, the "woman should take the man's name" thing doesn't make any sense.
/r/PurplePillDebate17/04/26 05:14 PM
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You wouldn’t fault carnivores for killing other animals for food would you? We're not talking about animals doing things to animals, but rather people doing things to people. In fact, the entire problem with this analogy is that it treats human behavior as some sort of analogue to a wolf eating a sheep. But people would be boring (and frankly, not worth dating) if their behavior could be encapsulated into simple rules like that.
/r/PurplePillDebate16/04/26 10:00 PM
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It means there's more juice in the tank. Rising tide raises boats. If it flatlines then you might have an argument. The tank is unrelated to population in the 21st century. We can grow the economy without growing the population and growing the population doesn't guarantee growing the economy. For example, most models predict the human population will peak around 10 billion in 2050, but it would be pretty absurd to claim that world GDP Is going to shrink in 2050 as a result. Another example: The …
/r/PurplePillDebate16/04/26 04:30 PM
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Ironically, both medicine and driving are examples where humans are objectively pretty bad at the task (in the sense of being error prone) and it will be much better to replace them with computers. For example, humans are terrible drivers and tons of people die as a result of the fact that we suck at driving. When you compare self driving cars like Waymo to human drivers, they get in like 90% fewer injury accidents per mile driven than human drivers. Human doctors and nurses also make tons of mi…
/r/PurplePillDebate16/04/26 04:19 PM
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World GDP per captia hasn't flatlined Why would it need to flatline? Why would that statistic be relevant one way or the other? There is a societal need for people Even assuming that's true, that doesn't equate to a societal need for births. The world is full of people, and we can fill any need for more people with immigration.
/r/PurplePillDebate16/04/26 04:06 PM
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I'm not making a Malthus argument. Malthus was obviously incorrect along essentially every dimension of his predictions when you compare his predictions about how populations would behave to actual population data. What I'm saying is that if you want to claim that eight billion people (the largest population ever in history) isn't enough, you need to give some justification for that claim. And that justification is never forthcoming because this population anxiety is all just cover for "here's w…
/r/PurplePillDebate16/04/26 03:01 PM
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What's the correct amount of people in the world? I assume you have a number if you believe this It's enough to say that with a human population in excess of eight billion, we don't have a people shortage. It's on the side claiming that we need to change the status quo to increase births to say why we need a higher number of people than we currently have.
/r/PurplePillDebate16/04/26 02:21 PM
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It can definitely be a dealbreaker for some people, but it's not for others. I propose that there are fundamentally two types of people: Sex-flexers - these are people who would like to have sex according to one preference schedule (e.g. weekly) but could be happy in a relationship on a different schedule (e.g. monthly) to make the relationship work. Sex-fixers - these are people who need in some sense for sex to happen according to some rule (e.g. "no more than once a month" or "at least every …
/r/PurplePillDebate08/04/26 09:03 PM
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My dude, I think you are just afraid of the vulnerability that comes from really liking someone. The best relationship is one where you really like the other person and they really like you back.
/r/PurplePillDebate31/03/26 07:07 PM
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you should treat women the same regardless of looks. I guess it depends on what you mean by treating someone the same. Everyone, regardless of appearance, deserves to be treated with dignity and respect by default. And I agree with you that it's simping if a man falls all over himself to do favors for a woman because she's hot. But we're attracted to what we're attracted to, so I don't think there's a way to pretend that appearance shouldn't matter to men (or women) in a romantic context.
/r/PurplePillDebate30/03/26 09:05 PM
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I would prefer not to be but I think it's important to step up and so would. Becoming a single dad would be a train wreck for my life as it currently exists, but I think I would be able to find meaning in a life centered around a kid (even if it's not the life I picked).
/r/PurplePillDebate29/03/26 07:07 PM
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Yes, because OP is trying to invert the original mansplaining term. But he doesn't understand the original term, so he just ends up looking stupid. Mansplaining is when a dude explains something to a woman because she is a woman and therefore he assumes that she needs his explanation / that he knows the topic better. Mansplaining is NOT every time a man happens to explain something, or even explain something to a woman. For example, a male physics professor explaining physics to a female undergr…
/r/PurplePillDebate29/03/26 03:46 PM
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You're trying to draw an analogy to mansplaining but you don't understand that concept so what you've written is incoherent. Mansplaining occurs when a man explains something to a woman specifically because she is a woman - i.e. he assumes that she needs an explanation, or that he is positioned to provide her an explanation, because of their genders. This sometimes reaches farcical proportions, such as a man explaining a female author's own book to her. Your post is not the inversion of this dyn…
/r/PurplePillDebate29/03/26 03:39 PM
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Every political ad or opinion piece from the left Every, huh? I totally believe you that you read them all before posting this comment.
/r/PurplePillDebate29/03/26 02:02 PM
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Becoming a trad wife has a really, really high probability of ruining a woman's life. I'm not saying it never works out, but when you account for all the possible bad outcomes (and the many, many women those bad outcomes happen to) it is generally a horrible decision.
/r/PurplePillDebate29/03/26 01:55 PM
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How would you ever quantify it? It's not like we have a functional market mechanism that could do so. To illustrate, while mothers provide a lot of the same labor that a nanny would, they aren't fungible with a nanny. You can't just be like "sorry kid, budgetary constraints forced us to pick someone less expensive to perform this labor." Same with the dad - even if there was someone else who could perform the same physical tasks you can't just swap that other person in as a dad replacement midwa…
/r/PurplePillDebate29/03/26 01:52 PM
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This is stupid - like the advertising executives who claim that you actually like getting shown popup ads, just the ones for the products you want. If all the advertisements disappeared tomorrow, would you be like "oh no, what will I ever do without the advertisements?" Probably not, because you can probably find the products you want without them and getting ads for all the things you didn't want was annoying.
/r/PurplePillDebate29/03/26 01:23 PM
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Bullshit. You can be a feminist. It's just that you're too retarded to get that that word applies to everybody,
/r/PurplePillDebate29/03/26 06:48 AM
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I also want to point out that spending a lot on a first date is a great way to make a girl feel uncomfortable. The only girls who want you to spend on a first date are trying to milk you. The only thing you are advertising with that spend is your milkability.
/r/PurplePillDebate29/03/26 06:05 AM
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I disagree with the main claim of this post. I know lots of men (including myself) who simultaneously: Care if the woman they're with is a good person; and Care that the woman cares that they (the man) are a good person. In other words, I would not want to be with someone who was indifferent to whether I was a good person or not. Her indifference to my being a good person would indicate that she doesn't think being a good person is important, and that's not the kind of woman I want in my life.
/r/PurplePillDebate27/03/26 03:54 PM
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It sounds like you guys are attempting to perform masculinity for each other, badly. It reminds me of my very early 20s when my friends and I thought it was cool to be open to drinking anything alcoholic, no matter how nasty. We would make a performance / joke of it. That was partly a lack of standards from youth, but partly something we were performing for each other. But most adult men have standards both for what they will drink and what they will fuck.
/r/PurplePillDebate27/03/26 02:07 PM
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No, I'm not. Not everyone has the same range of impulses as you. You might not be someone who does drugs, but by your own description you have the impulse to do all of them. Not everyone has that impulse. Some people have the impulse to do all the drugs, others only some drugs, and still others no drugs. Same with women. Some men (you, according to you) have the impulse to fuck anyone. But lots don't. Some men have no impulse to fuck women at all - e.g. gay men. The impulse to take anything you …
/r/PurplePillDebate27/03/26 02:02 PM
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Yes, social skills are 100% learnable - that's something I feel confident saying because I am one of the people who had to learn them. Most normies pick up social skills naturally as part of growing up. It's easy for them and they don't even really have to think about doing it intentionally. But it's not like that for everyone, and it wasn't for me. If you're one of the people who has to learn the skills manually, I recommend two things: First there is this book from the 20th century - How to Wi…
/r/PurplePillDebate27/03/26 01:40 PM
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No! I'm here too! I think deep down what drives these lower class redpilled guys to complain about women going to college is that they know as soon as she goes there, she is no longer apart of the lower class guy's dating pool. They lose access/even getting a chance with these women because most college educated women want a college educated man. I think this is very perceptive.
/r/PurplePillDebate27/03/26 03:07 AM
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I pick up logic, not ideologies. Me too! I look forward to making feminism sparkle for you!
/r/PurplePillDebate27/03/26 02:50 AM
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That's what I'm saying. There are definitely people like you. Just like there are drug users who will use any drug, and also different drug users who are more particular about what they'll do. But being a man doesn't mean you turn into a fuck-anybody person automatically. Trashcan junkie is a second, separate setting. You have mistakenly identified it with your manhood. And to be clear, trashcan junkie is a self appellation by people who know themselves that I respect - I am not using it as an i…
/r/PurplePillDebate27/03/26 01:40 AM
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I try to do the same! Glad you'll pick up the rest of femism when I make it look good to you.
/r/PurplePillDebate27/03/26 01:32 AM
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Charlie Kirk was assassinated for his political views That's actually the whole point, though you've managed to lose it in your crybabying. Charlie Kirk wasn't assassinated by the government, he was killed by a criminal who is in jail because we are punishing the criminal for killing him. Charlie Kirk is actually getting the full measure of the government's protection in the way normal people actually get it - through the punishment of the criminal after the fact of the crime being committed. In…
/r/PurplePillDebate27/03/26 12:12 AM
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Men are attracted to pretty much any woman past a rather low looks threshold. No, I'm a man and this definitely is not true. You are describing the equivalent of a trashcan junkie with no standards - someone who will inject anything if it gets them high. But that's not actually how most men operate. That might be how patriarchy says men operate, but when you watch actual men behave with actual women that's not what you see. You are describing the behavior of someone really desperate. Trashcan ju…
/r/PurplePillDebate26/03/26 10:20 PM
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I love this post ❤️
/r/PurplePillDebate26/03/26 10:09 PM
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I'm just convincing you a little bit at a time :P
/r/PurplePillDebate26/03/26 10:05 PM
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Why would someone want to kick his ass instead of imprisoning him? An ass kicking isn't an adequate response to raping someone. Only years in a jail cell work.
/r/PurplePillDebate26/03/26 06:57 PM
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Not even Andrew Tate gets this aggressive reaction from other men who have this mindset. Multiple countries are in the process of putting him in jail for a long list of felony charges (e.g. rape, human trafficking, etc). He's not a good example of "this is how strong guys get away with it" unless you ignore the impending imprisonment. This is what I call alpha male virtue signaling. Another name is alpha male progressive virtue signaling, whenever male feminists try to pull this tough shit. What…
/r/PurplePillDebate26/03/26 04:09 PM
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Sure, when those feminists show up I'll jump on em on with you. But until they get here I'm gonna treat em like a figment of your imagination.
/r/PurplePillDebate26/03/26 02:11 PM
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To say this you would have to disregard 99% of all the scientific and medical achievements of humanity till the late 20th century. The clause at the end of your sentence is doing all the work. All humanity's accomplishments (the real ones) are distributed towards the back end of history, which is also where the feminism is. The pre-feminist societies didn't really have accomplishments - they were just abuse holes where everybody was hungry and stupid. There is a causal link. The causal link is t…
/r/PurplePillDebate25/03/26 11:04 PM
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She does cite sources in the video. She's also a former academic philosopher. "Breadtuber" is doing a lot of dismissive work here. What we do know is nearly a third of incels are on the spectrum (no surprise), incels are over 2.5 times more likely to be victims of bullying than the norm, and a disproportionate number of them do not have a male father figure in their lives OK but you're making my point for me. Being on the spectrum isn't "trauma from their (usually single) mothers" — which is wha…
/r/PurplePillDebate25/03/26 10:53 PM
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A lot of incels and hardcore TRPs have trauma from their (usually single) mothers, and it doesn’t make their views of women okay either Actually, no. Contrapoints does a really great job of exploring this in her video on incels. Most incels / RPs were not abused and most victims of abuse don't become incels / RPs. I'm not saying there's zero overlap - just that it's a tenuous connection. The incel / RP thing is the product of radicalization, which is a completely different psychological dynamic …
/r/PurplePillDebate25/03/26 10:15 PM
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The effect is called the Flynn effect, just FYI. There's a good wikipedia article on it. But the point still stands. The "world" men built when they ran everything was a nasty little shitthole filled with squat little retards. All the modern countries have unlocked feminism, which is a necessary technology for not being a poor as shit backwater.
/r/PurplePillDebate25/03/26 10:06 PM
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hateful feminists who truly hate men and wish for separatism You know, a lot of the "hateful" feminists (e.g. Dworkin) are people who suffered pretty horrific abuses at the hands of men. I don't agree with them, but I can understand them on a human level. It would probably be easier to just not horrifically abuse women than to complain about the way they react to horrific abuse.
/r/PurplePillDebate25/03/26 07:46 PM
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Also, the society that got built when only men had power was so poor that its members ended up both mentally and physically stunted. We are like 2 inches taller today on average than the occupants of the world controlled exclusively by men.
/r/PurplePillDebate25/03/26 07:05 PM
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Yep. Worse, jobs where the gender balance flips tend to lose prestige/pay as women move in and gain prestige/pay as men move in. To give two examples: Teaching was a male dominated profession that became female dominated in the 20th century. As that shift occurred, salaries for teachers went down. Conversely, computer programming was a female dominated profession (examples: Ada Lovelace, Margaret Hamilton) that shifted to being male dominated. As that shift occurred, salaries and prestige went u…
/r/PurplePillDebate25/03/26 06:55 PM
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Yeah, but it's the plumber (a specific individual) who gets credit for fixing a pipe. It's the pot hole filler (another specific individual) who gets credit for filling the hole. You don't get to share in the labor of others because your genitals match. I'll give another example to make the point. Where I live (and probably in most of the US), a person on a road crew is disproportionately more likely to have brown eyes than another color. That doesn't mean a brown eyed person who has filled zero…
/r/PurplePillDebate25/03/26 05:41 PM
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And if OP had built something impressive on his own, he would be saying "look at this thing I built" and not looking to export the earned credit for his accomplishments to other people just because they also have a penis. Statements like "men did [insert impressive thing here]" are invariably made by men who did not themselves do the impressive thing they are trying to take credit for. It is a bid to say "this important person had a penis, and I also have a penis, so you should treat me like I a…
/r/PurplePillDebate25/03/26 05:28 PM
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Eh - I'm pretty sure OP is a woman looking for validation for a specific situation in which she's found herself.
/r/PurplePillDebate25/03/26 03:45 PM
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A mistress would also get child support if she had a kid. The legal obligation to pay child support doesn't require a marriage. Alimony requires a marriage, though. I agree with everything else you said. Just one technical quibble.
/r/PurplePillDebate25/03/26 03:44 PM
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I don't really get the logic here. You're comparing two sides of being with a man who is engaged in pretty serious dishonesty. It's like debating whether it would be better to be the mother or the father of a child who steals. Even weirder, your contemplated reaction to "this person is sleeping around on me" isn't a break up, which would be most people's reaction I think. Why would you want to be either the wife or the mistress when you could be neither? Wouldn't the actual preferential position…
/r/PurplePillDebate25/03/26 03:39 PM
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I think that, because men historically fit into the "provider" role, many of them view that as their only source of relationship security This is definitely right. I think it's very insecurity driven. Men, expand your value! You can make a woman want you because of how you make her feel, not just the resources you have access to. This is the best advice I have seen on here in a while. Even if you're a barista, there are a million ways that you can be valuable in someone's life. You could be a go…
/r/PurplePillDebate24/03/26 09:13 PM
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This response is like someone saying "why can't my history book be a Tik Tok video?"
/r/PurplePillDebate24/03/26 06:41 PM
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Many women subconsciously treat lesser earning men with less respect and they expect those men to make up for it. Agreed. This is a good example of how both men and women can participate in and reinforce patriarchy, even though it hurts both of them. Another example would be how some women react uncomfortably to a man expressing emotions. These beliefs hurt everyone and are profoundly irrational. It is stupid to say "you have a vagina, so you should make less money." It is stupid to say "you hav…
/r/PurplePillDebate24/03/26 06:37 PM
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I think there are two related concepts going on here: First, by definition a boundary is something that has to have been communicated. The purpose of a boundary is to tell other people how to interact with you, but a boundary can't shape the behavior of someone who doesn't know it's there. By their nature, boundaries are expensive - you have to tell someone "don't do this because I am not OK with it," which is uncomfortable. So people tend not to have an explicit boundary for every preference - …
/r/PurplePillDebate24/03/26 04:24 PM
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I agree. I think part of the problem is that a lot of men haven't been in a close enough relationship to experience the feeling. From the outside, relationships look like they're about the static features of the participants. How pretty the woman is, how tall the man is, etc. But from the inside, relationships are about how the couple connect and relate to each other. But you can't see that if you've never been in one, which is true of a lot of the angriest men here.
/r/PurplePillDebate24/03/26 03:50 PM
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First, you're claiming that "no one" feels insecure about independent women, but we actually have recent survey data which says your claim is wrong. For example, on page 50 of that link, 26% of survey respondents in the US say that it's a problem if the woman makes more than the man and another 28% gave answers indicating they were unsure whether it does. Only 41% of Americans said it does not cause a problem for a woman to out-earn her partner. Second, your own post reads like you have the inse…
/r/PurplePillDebate24/03/26 03:38 PM
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Very interesting post. I had always assumed that some of these things were universal, but now that I think about it they're possibly more gendered than I had realized. In a similar vein, Sartre in Being and Nothingness argues that many relationships are created by people's attraction not to another person, but rather to how that person makes them feel about themselves by the way they look at them. In other words, the relationship functions as a sort of flattering mirror in which we see ourselves…
/r/PurplePillDebate24/03/26 03:17 PM
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Killer post brother. 10/10
/r/PurplePillDebate24/03/26 04:21 AM
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My brother, you are victim of the self-delusion. It is stopping you from seeing the truth,
/r/PurplePillDebate24/03/26 02:53 AM
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Aspirations met :)
/r/PurplePillDebate23/03/26 10:21 PM
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It's not a question of tone, but a question of telling the truth vs. lying. You're like a carjacker saying "why do drivers reward me with their cars?" It's a lie to shift responsibility for the consequences of the behavior onto the victims - as if they convene in some sort of academy to decide who gets the 2026 reward for best predator.
/r/PurplePillDebate23/03/26 09:55 PM
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why do women reward that behavior? This is a dumb rejoinder. Women aren't running around handing out rewards to people. There's no ceremony or ribbons. Toxic men aren't getting a toxic man trophy. A more intelligently phrased question is "why do women sometimes give into this behavior?" And that's no different than questions like "why do people sometimes fall for scams," or "why do employees sometimes tolerate abusive treatment from employers," or "why do men sometimes tolerate bullying by other…
/r/PurplePillDebate23/03/26 09:03 PM
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FOUR words before an obvious bullshit; not a record, do worse. This is not English
/r/PurplePillDebate23/03/26 05:40 PM
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What's the ad hominem? The person who said you coerce women was you. You self-reported. Are you going to report yourself for telling on yourself?
/r/PurplePillDebate23/03/26 04:17 PM
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As a man I am here to tell you that coercion is not necessary to get laid or to be in a relationship. Maybe nobody will sleep with you unless you coerce them. That would make sense - I would be a little surprised if people were lining up to fuck the sex coercer. But that's not how it is for other men.
/r/PurplePillDebate23/03/26 04:02 PM
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Sure, so you can't see, and therefore haven't experienced, and therefore shouldn't generalize about how things play out for people who do.
/r/PurplePillDebate23/03/26 03:57 PM
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Well it's men that tend to pressure women for sex and sex acts. I'm sorry, but this is the statement of someone who has never been pressured into sex by a woman. Women do this too - I can tell you that as a person who has had sex they didn't want to have because declining it would have invited the same sort behavior that men display when they are pressuring someone (basically, saying no would have initiated a fight / resentful behavior that I didn't have the energy for). We have an easier time s…
/r/PurplePillDebate23/03/26 03:52 PM
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This is a great post and an important point. However, I do think this is an instance where the point is being unnecessarily gendered. In fact, I think gendering it is counterproductive because it signals that people don't need to worry about this behavior if there's not a man in the picture, but that's not true. Women definitely do this too - I'm not sure if men even do it more often (or if there would be a way to meaningfully quantify for comparison). But even if we assume for the sake of argum…
/r/PurplePillDebate23/03/26 03:24 PM
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Obviously not, since he got kicked out for it. Getting kicked out is really strong evidence that you aren't behaving as expected.
/r/PurplePillDebate22/03/26 09:58 PM
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No, not in 2026. Maybe in 1980 or 2000. In 2026, people in the bar do not want you to hit on them. We know that because the guy I was responding to got removed from the bar. If he was engaging in the behavior expected in that environment, he would not have been removed for his behavior.
/r/PurplePillDebate22/03/26 09:54 PM
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That's an appropriate response by the woman. Let's say you were sitting at a restaurant (a place you are paying to be) and I decide I want to come up and talk to you to try to sell you a watch. Maybe you're not interested in watches, or maybe you already have a watch, and probably if you wanted a watch you would go to the watch store. This is unacceptable to me because my watch has languished at the store, unsold despite the thousands of watch purchasers there. So I decide to interupt your dinne…
/r/PurplePillDebate22/03/26 09:26 PM
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100% totally agree with you. People doing this have the same mentality as email spammers and telemarketers - they know they're bothering most of the people they contact but they selfishly don't care about that. The question is what is to be done to reverse the perverse incentive structure that leads to this. I think people subjected to cold approaches they don't want should make it an unpleasant experience for the marketers, which raises the cost of bothering people and makes it less of an appea…
/r/PurplePillDebate22/03/26 09:18 PM
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Thanks! Please keep me in mind if you ever need a great deal on an entry level package. We also offer therapy upgrades.
/r/PurplePillDebate22/03/26 09:13 PM
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To do any real soothing they probably do - that's why none of TRP people seem all that happy. They weren't actually soothed. But I agree with you that pseudo theories, like religion, have a way of drawing in troubled minds.
/r/PurplePillDebate22/03/26 04:58 PM
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Thanks! I'm pretty proud of it.
/r/PurplePillDebate22/03/26 04:56 PM
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Dad is still recovering from the terrible dangers he was exposed to as a baby. /s
/r/PurplePillDebate22/03/26 04:22 PM
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People following their self interest (which I agree they mostly do) isn't enough to support the market framework TRP tries to cram dating into. Real life markets have lots of things that dating doesn't, the absence of which breaks the analogy. For example, real life markets coordinate human activity through a price mechanism. But there's no price mechanism in dating.
/r/PurplePillDebate22/03/26 04:17 PM
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This idea that red pill invented “high value men” is already off. Every side talks about it. This is incorrect. The claim that market dynamics are an analog for dating behavior is a substantive, and incorrect, claim. It's an attempt to understand something really complicated (attraction and mating) by using another context as a model. It is not something that everyone does - it may not be purely exclusive to the redpill but it's a distinctive feature of it. indeed, the rest of your post goes on …
/r/PurplePillDebate22/03/26 04:12 PM
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I don’t get why red pill guys reduce everyone to “value.” Putting numbers on people is just weird Personally, I was able to take out a low interest loan by collateralizing it with my high value. I then used the proceeds from the loan to purchase a fleet of medium value investment men, who I have been sending to the library and the gym and will resell once they are higher value. Of course, being leveraged exposes me to the risk of fluctuations in the man market, so I have hedged by buying options…
/r/PurplePillDebate22/03/26 03:46 PM
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As a former young man, I am here to tell you that most of the sex-related hangups you care about when you're young are revealed to be stupid with the passage of time. I agree with you that young men often have these hangups. I had them too when I was young. And then after dating and sleeping with a bunch of women, I realized that the hang ups were stupid. It doesn't matter if a woman has slept with dudes in the past, just like it doesn't matter that I've slept with other women in the past. I wis…
/r/PurplePillDebate18/03/26 06:48 PM
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100%.
/r/PurplePillDebate18/03/26 06:42 PM
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Actually, yes. There's a really great video series by this guy named Kenneth Play, and then there's also a book called She Comes First. I didn't bother with either of those for a long time because I could generally get the women I dated off just by doing the things they said they liked. But I spent a year dating a girl who had a hard time reaching orgasm and being the only one who gets off in a relationship isn't a great feeling. So I went and studied so I could be better at it. I will also say,…
/r/PurplePillDebate18/03/26 06:35 PM
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This is a great and hilarious post. Expertly done.
/r/PurplePillDebate18/03/26 06:01 PM
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It's so tragic to read things like this and realize how badly the education system fails some men. It was NOT working that was a privilege 200 years ago, when Kindergardens were invented "for some reason". Women worked 200 years ago, dumbass. They worked on farms, and in factories, and in workshops. It was backbreaking, crushing, never ending labor. But on top of all that work, the law also took their rights away. In other words, there wasn't a law that said women couldn't work, there was a law …
/r/PurplePillDebate18/03/26 05:00 PM
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with a long incoherent word salad See, that's the thing. What I wrote isn't long, it wasn't incoherent, and it wasn't a word salad. You can find lots of people in this thread complimenting the writing, actually. You just aren't good at reading, so the essay appears as a word salad to you because your brain is struggling to understand the words. But that's coming from your brain, not from what I wrote. And you can't fix the problem until you realize it's coming from you. Example Example of what? …
/r/PurplePillDebate18/03/26 04:50 PM
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Patriarchy and conservatism aren't interchangeable, among other reasons because "conservative" doesn't pick out a single viewpoint. There are lots of kinds of conservatives - some of them are patriarchal (we normally call those ones social conservatives) but many others are not (e.g. neo-cons, libertarian leaning conservatives, etc). what are you gonna do about it if 2 adults consent to a conservative relationship within their freedom of choice? redefining conservatism? I don't know what you mea…
/r/PurplePillDebate18/03/26 04:42 PM
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There's not a single, generally accepted definition of patriarchy - different feminists conceptualize it in different ways. The definition I used is from bell hooks, an extremely well known feminist. Specifically, it's synthesized from chapter 2 of The Will to Change. Unsurprisingly, I picked the feminists I think are correct to borrow from.
/r/PurplePillDebate18/03/26 04:19 PM
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If patriarchy == paying attention to genitals, then trans-exclusionary feminism is patriarchy. Why would that be surprising? TERFs are obsessed with genitals. That's their whole thing - "this person can't be a woman because they have a penis." I am very comfortable saying that TERFs advance the cause of patriarchy. That's why lots of feminists don't like them. I'm just saying, "paying attention to genitals" is a very poor definition of "patriarchy" Well that's not how I defined patriarchy. I def…
/r/PurplePillDebate18/03/26 04:11 PM
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Weird how I never used the word "privilege" anywhere in my post. I am here to help men who aren't good at reading, but I can only help so much.
/r/PurplePillDebate18/03/26 03:58 PM
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I said it elsewhere on this thread, but just deciding not to do it to other people is helping kill the meme.
/r/PurplePillDebate18/03/26 02:51 AM
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As is often true in wars, both sides can be shitty. Bibi, Trump, and the Ayatollah deserve each other and I wish they could go live on an island together and not wreck the global economy.
/r/PurplePillDebate18/03/26 02:48 AM
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I wasn't aware that I'd enlisted Like footbinding, most of the victims get hurt as kids before they even know there's something to enlist in. Doesn't stop you from being hurt.
/r/PurplePillDebate18/03/26 02:44 AM
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Maybe people aren't condescending to you, but just lowering themselves the point where you can hear. Nobody condescends to me and I talk to a lot of leftists, so condescension isn't an inherent part of talking to them. I think it's how they specifically talk to you.
/r/PurplePillDebate18/03/26 02:28 AM
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Patriarchy you mean tradition Patriarchy and traditions are both memes. But not all traditions or memes are patriarchy. Christmas and Christmas trees are both traditions and memes but not patriarchy. So I am not anti-tradition. In fact, I like a lot of traditions. I am anti-patriarchy because patriarchy hurts people (including me).
/r/PurplePillDebate18/03/26 02:23 AM
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If modern societies aren't patriarchal what the fuck are you all crying about? As the country-by-country survey data showed, patriarchy is a matter of more or less. We have gotten rid of a lot of patriarchy but not all of it. When we get to zero patriarchy (e.g. zero men who think being a man means not asking for help), then you will be right to tell me to stop crying about it. But that's not today.
/r/PurplePillDebate18/03/26 02:19 AM
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We don't need to replace patriarchy, just kill it. Systems of oppression don't need to be replaced. Similarly, we haven't needed to replace racism. The default of "treat all the humans like humans" works.
/r/PurplePillDebate18/03/26 02:09 AM
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You're trying to be too clever to the point that I don't know what you're trying to say. Spell it out and I'll take it apart for you.
/r/PurplePillDebate18/03/26 01:53 AM
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Dude, you're crushing toxic masculinity ❤️❤️❤️ - respect. Spoken like a man who lived it. I see you. But let's dig into the "is this patriarchy" question because I think it's interesting. The reason I say we cannot treat this just as a question of toxic masculinity is because the male-female interface is an important part of the meme-structure. We have to understand how patriarchy involves women to kill it - including the way women experience it and inflict it on each other. There is a women's v…
/r/PurplePillDebate18/03/26 01:45 AM
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All of the most successful nations and empires were patriarchies It's the opposite. Patriarchal societies were so spectacularly unsuccessful that their populations ended up with mental retardation and stunted height. In addition these societies were absurdly poor (which contributed to the retardation), didn't have enough food, didn't understand medicine, had to light things on fire to see at night, and had to get on an animal to go somewhere. Patriarchal societies are, to quote Hobbes, "nasty, b…
/r/PurplePillDebate17/03/26 08:44 PM
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matriarchy/gynarchy is patriarchy A matriarchy would be a mirror image of a patriarchy - genitals based oppression, but in the other direction. If there were matriarchies, we would describe them using the same definition hooks gave. The opposite of patriarchy (i.e. of paying attention to genitals in one direction) is not paying attention to genitals in the other direction. The opposite is not paying attention to genitals.
/r/PurplePillDebate17/03/26 08:39 PM
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You DO need patriarchy for this. Its WHY ALL the societies that have won major conflicts are patriarchal Israel is an extremely potent military power and does not need to be patriarchal to be that way. Israel conscripts both men and women. The Israeli pilots who dominate its neighbors include both men and women. Israel has won many military conflicts with the help of women. By contrast, Israel is surrounded by extremely patriarchal societies with male-only militaries. And when those male only mi…
/r/PurplePillDebate17/03/26 08:35 PM
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Haha - I also got confused because I thought your comment was from the original guy. Sorry for the misdirected tone.
/r/PurplePillDebate17/03/26 08:22 PM
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How about you start off by proving there IS a patriarchy first. It's almost like I wrote a long OP doing exactly that and you just didn't read it. I am here to help men who aren't good at reading, but I can only help so much.
/r/PurplePillDebate17/03/26 08:19 PM
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Did you sleep all the way through school? Women needed feminism to participate in capitalism because they needed to break patriarchy in order to: own property in their own name; Sign enforceable contracts. Be allowed to compete for jobs in the workplace. Feminism was necessary for all of those things because the low IQ men who used to run things in the past thought (inexplicably) that having a penis was relevant to being able to own property or sign contracts. That's why those low IQ men made la…
/r/PurplePillDebate17/03/26 07:48 PM
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You cannot convince men and the men behind them to die for their country without a personal attachment to the country that permeates his sense of self and image. You don't need patriarchy for this, and patriarchy isn't even helpful for it. Right now, the US is in a war where the people dying include women. The people flying the planes over Iran include women. Those women didn't need a male gender role to put their life on the line, or to be effective warfighters. In fact, Iran is extremely patri…
/r/PurplePillDebate17/03/26 07:37 PM
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Great post!
/r/PurplePillDebate17/03/26 07:30 PM
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when these idiots say Patriarchy they mean capitalism Lol. I am a capitalist. Capitalism has nothing to do with patriarchy, just like footbinding isn't necessary for capitalism. We will kill patriarchy and still have markets. This is such a low IQ take that I have no idea how you even got to it.
/r/PurplePillDebate17/03/26 07:25 PM
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Patriarchy was (and is) useful insofar as it established a system under which None of your examples is actually an example of patriarchy being beneficial. To the contrary, the act of you listing those examples is a good illustration of how memes deform our perceptions to think that the meme is natural and necessary. A carrier of footbinding would probably have made similar arguments about why footbinding is needed. Let's look at your specific examples: resources could be collected and distribute…
/r/PurplePillDebate17/03/26 07:18 PM
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That's not true. I reject patriarchy about as extensively as it's possible for a person raised in it to do and I am very successful dating. But I also specifically screen for women who reject patriarchy too. I don't want a woman who thinks emotional expression by men is bad. Such a woman has a deformity that, while not her fault, is ugly and unappealing. And I have enough options that I don't have to date extremely deformed women. The solution is, don't date patriarchal women.
/r/PurplePillDebate17/03/26 07:00 PM
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If that was case patriarchy would be equally prevalent in all countries. But the survey data I quoted shows the opposite. Patriarchy isn't innate to humans any more than footbinding was. The best evidence that it's a meme we can kill is that we have been successfully killing it. Just like there was a last victim of footbinding, there will be a last victim of patriarchy.
/r/PurplePillDebate17/03/26 06:57 PM
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Thanks!
/r/PurplePillDebate17/03/26 06:47 PM
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That "REEEE" should not have been a quote because it is part of your reaction, not mine.
/r/PurplePillDebate17/03/26 06:43 PM
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"I don't have the ability to write an intelligent response to this argument so I will just call the other side a liar." 🤡
/r/PurplePillDebate17/03/26 06:34 PM
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This is well-written and thoughtful Thanks! It's a concept I've been mulling for a while. The reality is that the vast majority of men throughout history were not powerful elites. They were laborers, soldiers, providers, men who worked dangerous jobs, were sent to war, and lived under rigid expectations themselves. They were constrained by the same exact systems, just in different ways. Totally agree - that's one of the things I was hoping to highlight with this essay. Patriarchy is simultaneous…
/r/PurplePillDebate17/03/26 06:31 PM
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Mansplaining as a concept involves a man explaining something to a woman because he assumes that the woman doesn't understand. It's an example of the man's assumptions about gender roles playing out in his behavior. But I am a man writing for an audience of men. I am not explaining things to you because I think men can't understand on their own - I'm a man who thinks men are perfectly capable of understanding these concepts. Rather, I come here to provide an education to men who were too lazy or…
/r/PurplePillDebate17/03/26 06:18 PM
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This is dumb. For "patriarchy" to be a conspiracy theory it would have to posit a conspiracy. "Jews control the world" is a conspiracy theory because it posits a cabal of conspirators - the Elders of Zion or whatever. But nobody who is educated enough to understand the concept of patriarchy thinks there is a conspiracy. Frankly, deeply patriarchal men generally aren't intelligent enough to form some kind of conspiracy. You're just showing off that you aren't very educated.
/r/PurplePillDebate17/03/26 06:11 PM
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It doesn't - it exists in your brain too. You're like a person who thinks that they don't have an accent.
/r/PurplePillDebate17/03/26 06:07 PM
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The trick is you have to be responsive to your interlocutor. Many of the men around here want me to top them, and I oblige.
/r/PurplePillDebate17/03/26 04:15 PM
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Then it would be better to call it Equality Why? Who is being confused? I will tell you - lazy, entitled men, who aren't good at reading. Intellectual traditions by their nature involve a lot a confusing terms. Why does the single term "liberal" refer to AOC in the 21st century and Adam Smith in the 17th century even though they disagree? Because that's the shit you were supposed to stay awake for in school! "Feminism" is called feminism because women were the ones originally being oppressed bec…
/r/PurplePillDebate17/03/26 04:14 AM
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No. Manosphere content is a life hack for people who are looking to become unhappier, worse versions of themselves. It is the essence of unfuckability.
/r/PurplePillDebate16/03/26 11:53 PM
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matriarchal societies would be Dominant by your logic You are confusing "feminism" with "women in charge." But the whole point of feminism is that who is in charge should be unrelated to genitals. Putting women in charge because they are women would be anti-feminist. If you want to understand feminism, the key is understanding that feminism is basically anti-patriarchy. Patriarchy is a system that assigns people power/influence/significance because they have a penis. Being anti-that-system doesn…
/r/PurplePillDebate16/03/26 11:50 PM
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No, a society being rich and a society being feminist are causally linked. You can't be rich without being feminist. Pre-feminist societies inefficiently determined what jobs people could have based on their genitals. That meant those societies put a low performing men in important roles because they had a penis, and those same societies wasted potentially high performing women because they lacked a penis. It was an irrational, stupid system. It was a system that creates poverty. Only societies …
/r/PurplePillDebate16/03/26 11:44 PM
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Societies that are doing really well can afford nonsense like feminism while societies that are struggling can't. You have it completely backwards. In order to become a wealthy society you have to become a meritocracy - you can't pick who is in charge based on irrational inquiries like "does this person have a penis" or "what is this person's skin color" or "does this person come from the right caste." The point of feminism is that your genitals should not matter to what you can do in life. Look…
/r/PurplePillDebate16/03/26 11:37 PM
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A gynocracy would be a stupid form of government for the same reason patriarchy is stupid - it is ridiculous to consider someone's genitals in deciding if they should be in charge. Genitals-based government is the kind of stupid idea only traditional societies could come up with. Feminist societies by contrast are generally meritocracies. The point of feminism is not "women should be in charge" but rather "whether someone is a woman should not matter to whether they should be in charge." That's …
/r/PurplePillDebate16/03/26 11:25 PM
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When women could not vote, neither could men. This is a great example of my point that anti-feminism can only exist in a profoundly uneducated brain.
/r/PurplePillDebate16/03/26 08:38 PM
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we realize that the destruction of civil society (and Western civilization in general) is a bad thing The countries where women have strong rights (i.e. where feminism reigns) are the richest, nicest, best societies humans have ever lived in. There's tons of food, we have the ability to travel anywhere on the globe, we have advanced medicine, and normal people have access to more cultural content than kings or emperors in the past. By contrast, the "traditional" societies you're idealizing were …
/r/PurplePillDebate16/03/26 08:35 PM
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The word "incel" definitely has a negative connotation in modern English, but I think from two very different directions. On the one hand, people can have a negative view about people who can't get laid. I think this is actually much weaker than self-identified incels assume. Not getting laid when you want to is something almost every man goes through at least temporarily. It feels like a bigger deal when you're inside that space than it seems from the outside. One trick I like to use when think…
/r/PurplePillDebate16/03/26 08:25 PM
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Haha - thanks! I need boosters to counteract the angry men who are mad about feminism.
/r/PurplePillDebate16/03/26 08:13 PM
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You're providing me with a great example of how people with weak education struggle to understand things. First, you've managed to confuse yourself about both the Grievance Studies Affair and the Sokal Affair. Neither of those was inherently about feminism, or any specific topic matter - the point of both was to illustrate the existence of academic journals without meaningful academic rigor. Similar experiments include the postmodern studies generator (a computer program that generates nonsense …
/r/PurplePillDebate16/03/26 08:06 PM
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Biological men taking athletic opportunities, roster spots, and scholarships away from women Let's be real here. We're talking about a tiny number of women in sports like women's wrestling, which none of the anti-trans people would ever pay attention to except insofar as it provides a vehicle to go after trans people. It's like seeing someone suddenly give a huge shit about HOA regulations on flags when a gay couple moves in down the street and puts up a rainbow flag. It's not about women - it's…
/r/PurplePillDebate16/03/26 05:10 PM
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"Incel" is a portmanteau for "involuntarily celibate." It originally was coined by a woman on her website which existed as a support space for people of any gender struggling with loneliness and romantic rejection. Over time, the term has been appropriated by men with various personality disorders, which has resulted in it having its modern negative connotation. Contrapoints has really good coverage of the development of the term and the population. That video is very much worth a watch if you h…
/r/PurplePillDebate16/03/26 04:45 PM
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That's what "feminism" means if you're uneducated. That's the actual dividing line on thinking like that. In order to be able to hold that thought in your brain you can't be well read. You can't be educated enough to tell the feminists apart and think like that. It's similar to the way you hear people use the word "socialism" in a way that shows they never went to college. Or the way people in the workplace will talk about "making an API" in ways that show they have no idea what an API is. The g…
/r/PurplePillDebate16/03/26 04:10 PM
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I know this is very difficult for a female brain to process since it requires logical thinking Hey look, the part where he shows he hates women! He hid in between two other sentences lecturing you for thinking he hates women.
/r/PurplePillDebate16/03/26 04:03 PM
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he doesn’t care That's where I disagree. If he didn't care he'd just be a sociopath, not start conversations about it, and not dwell on it. But OP has come here to show us his sociopathy - he put time into making a post because he cares how other people perceive the situation. If he didn't care there would be no post. There are two possible explanations for that: Rage bait - OP is having fun watching people react to something outrageous. The post is a bid for us to validate what he's doing. This…
/r/PurplePillDebate16/03/26 11:53 AM
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I love how you (and OP) are doing everything in your power to strip OP of agency - all of this is something that happened to him! He's the victim! Why is the marriage sexless? Not OP's fault! The sexless marriage happened to him! He's the victim of this marriage, you see! OP is a helpless passenger in his own marriage - nothing can be blamed on him. And the cheating? A woman "threw herself at him" (and landed on his dick, I suppose). OP didn't "cheat" - his dick in another woman was just a curio…
/r/PurplePillDebate16/03/26 11:39 AM
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Dude, this is gross. And you're engaged in a bunch of weird mental gymnastics in support of a "here is why I am not being a shitty person despite the shitty behavior that I am now describing to you" conclusion. The main flaw in your mental gymnastics is that you are conflating the concept of "doing something in secret" with "doing something wrong." Similar to the concept of stealing, we often associate cheating with something being done in secret but the concepts aren't identical. You are still …
/r/PurplePillDebate16/03/26 11:18 AM
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I think what's really interesting about that study (and here is a link to the actual data) is that it's a survey of many different countries. When you dig into the numbers in the actual data, there's a huge skew by country. For example, on page 50 we get the data for the statement: "It causes problems in a marriage if a woman earns more than her husband." I've quoted part of the results below: Country Agree Disagree India 54% 21% USA 26% 41% Netherlands 9% 67% So while the media has taken this s…
/r/PurplePillDebate13/03/26 03:32 PM
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Any girl I marry, I am going to love them emotionally and physically.
/r/PurplePillDebate12/03/26 01:34 AM
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Do we hate happy women now?
/r/PurplePillDebate12/03/26 01:30 AM
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I won't try to define it for them, but I know that I have been with women who wanted sex more often than I did. I'm guessing you haven't.
/r/PurplePillDebate05/03/26 04:33 AM
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Guess you've never been with a high libido woman, or at least one in the upper range
/r/PurplePillDebate05/03/26 02:47 AM
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Dumbass, your article is about a doctor going to jail for impregnating women with HIS OWN sperm without their consent. It has nothing to do with race.
/r/PurplePillDebate05/03/26 12:03 AM
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If "manoshere retards" offends you, you never going to understand a post about biology.
/r/PurplePillDebate04/03/26 11:35 PM
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You do realize your points convince no one and you're only hardening resistance to paternity fraud, right? Almost no one shares your point of view that paternity fraud shouldn't be punished, except your fellow radical feminists. Well then I guess it's a good thing that I'm "I_DOM_UR_PATRIARCHY" and not "I_CONVINCE_UR_PATRIARCHY." You should be banned from Reddit for calling anyone a retard. That's an ableist slur. Too bad I have disabilities so I'm allowed to use it, retard.
/r/PurplePillDebate04/03/26 11:08 PM
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It's not even criminally comprehensible, let alone criminally actionable.
/r/PurplePillDebate04/03/26 11:05 PM
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This is how the kid would be different - he is white, she is white, kids is black .. never heard that one before huh?? This is the dumbest of arguments. There is no such thing as race). You aren't white, and your kids aren't either, outside your head.
/r/PurplePillDebate04/03/26 10:07 PM
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Since you used AI to write this (you left the ChatGPT source ID in your links) I've told the AI to write back: Mistake #1: Heritability studies measure the wrong comparison. Every study you linked estimates heritability using twin and adoption designs. These work by comparing people who share 0%, 25%, 50%, or 100% of their variable DNA. The gap between an adoptive parent and a biological parent in these studies is the full range of human genetic difference — that ~0.1-0.4% of the genome that var…
/r/PurplePillDebate04/03/26 10:05 PM
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I hope so far you are in agreement. We generally are up to here, with some caveats I'll address below. The biological imperative for males follows from the second function stated above, which is to reproduce. The male desires a fertile female to reproduce with, who is able and willing to nurture his offspring so that his genes may propagate. This part may seem like a leap of faith, so to make it easier for you to think about, perhaps try coming up with a counterexample? Can you present an extant…
/r/PurplePillDebate04/03/26 09:57 PM
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Are you arguing that parental genetics have zero impact on children? No, I'm saying that guys worried about paternity fraud generally have no impact that they can identify based on genetics. Paternity fraud anxiety would make a lot more sense if it was couched in terms of "I was supposed to have a kid with traits X, Y, Z but got a kid with traits A, B, C." But that's never the discussion because most of these dude can't identify a single, meaningful genetic difference. My point is that paternity…
/r/PurplePillDebate04/03/26 09:39 PM
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Actually, if you were good at reading you would have detected that I talked extensively about why deception is bad. Here's an abridged version since long texts are hard for you: In both cases, the man's partner has betrayed his trust, violated the terms of the relationship, and lied to him. The emotional injury of infidelity (the breach of trust, the humiliation, the destabilization of everything you thought your relationship was) is entirely contained in the act itself. It doesn't get a multipl…
/r/PurplePillDebate04/03/26 09:22 PM
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People operate based on biology, and male biology instructs men to seek out loyal women who will perpetuate his genes. This claim would be a lot more persuasive if you knew anything about biology. male biology instructs men to seek out loyal women who will perpetuate his genes. the wiring is already programmed into our brains. OK, what's the location on the Y chromosome where this instruction is located? What's the part of the brain where men are told to do this? Red pill claims about "biology" …
/r/PurplePillDebate04/03/26 09:17 PM
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The kid is either theirs, or it isn't. A kid has the genetics they have. Unless you can point to some concrete way that the kid would be different (and none of you guys can ever do that), these categories are just a made up thing in your head. I wouldn't want to be duped into raising/paying for a child that isn't mine either. Cool. Go spend $30 on a test if you're preoccupied with it.
/r/PurplePillDebate04/03/26 09:14 PM
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Actually, if you were good at reading you would have detected that I talked extensively about why deception is bad. Here's an abridged version since long texts are hard for you: In both cases, the man's partner has betrayed his trust, violated the terms of the relationship, and lied to him. The emotional injury of infidelity (the breach of trust, the humiliation, the destabilization of everything you thought your relationship was) is entirely contained in the act itself. It doesn't get a multipl…
/r/PurplePillDebate04/03/26 09:09 PM
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It's just so hard for me to imagine. For example, regardless of your gender, if you have been in five relationships it's statistically unlikely that you are going to be the highest or lowest libido person in all five. How do other people not see the variations as they go through life?
/r/PurplePillDebate04/03/26 08:53 PM
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this is next level beta cuckery No, it's called loving a kid independently of their genetics. That's what most people end up doing. Easy example: If I found out tomorrow that my brother wasn't genetically related to me, it wouldn't affect how I feel about him at all. I love him because we grew up together, share lots of experiences, etc. I think we are genetically related, but honestly I don't really give a shit one way or the other. Your notion is that someone can spend 10 years raising a kid a…
/r/PurplePillDebate04/03/26 07:09 PM
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what should they do in your opinion? Find your keys; Get in your car; Go to Walgreens. Buy a test (the man will need about $30 for this, but presumably there aren't a lot of women trying to baby trap men who can't put together $30). Drive back home. Follow the simple instructions on the test. Most require a cheek swab from the man and the kid. Send the samples in using the pre-addressed envelope. Get the results and know if you are genetically the father. If you can't handle these steps, it is p…
/r/PurplePillDebate04/03/26 06:20 PM
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There is uncertainty which she is absolutely aware of, yet she makes a decision to make a definitive claim. People make unjustifiably definitive claims all the time without trying to lie. For example, a person might tell their wife that the heater is broken, but in reality they just had the thermostat on the wrong setting. And in this very conversation, you're making very definitive claims which are also incorrect, but I don't think you're trying to lie to me - you're just bad at reasoning. In n…
/r/PurplePillDebate04/03/26 05:41 PM
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This 100%. Its so weird to see people assume that men naturally have higher libidos than women.
/r/PurplePillDebate04/03/26 05:31 PM
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any "you are the father" statement is a lie in absence of DNA testing because in our universe there are exactly zero ways to know for certain What distinguishes a "lie" from "being wrong" is a particular mental state. I agree that a woman who's sleeping with multiple men has a good chance of being wrong about who the father is - that doesn't mean she's trying to trick anyone. There are lots of circumstances in life where our beliefs have a good chance of being wrong, but that doesn't mean we're …
/r/PurplePillDebate04/03/26 05:26 PM
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cheaters I want to draw attention to how you're shifting the goal posts after I pointed out how stupid your first comment was. Your original claim about when we could infer intent didn't even require a relationship, let alone that the woman was "cheating." Your original claim was: Failing to inform the supposed father that she had sex with other men when announcing fatherhood requires intent. Now, with that original claim having been shown to be stupid, you are shifting positions so you're talki…
/r/PurplePillDebate04/03/26 05:12 PM
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This is retard logic. There are lots of different factual settings where a kid can be born, and what (if anything) you can infer about the mom's mental state depends on the specifics of that context. To give just one (of many possible) examples, a woman might have casual relationships with a couple different guys. Maybe those guys have casual relationships with different women. The woman might infer based on timing that the dad is one of those men. It's not her obligation to provide the guy with…
/r/PurplePillDebate04/03/26 04:58 PM
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You don't even need to ask for a test. Just go to Walgreens and get one off the shelf. They cost $30. If the test comes back saying you aren't the dad, then it's worth going to court and getting a formal test to dispute paternity. But you don't need a court's assistance to go find out in the first instance. You don't need the mom's permission. Just go do it if you care.
/r/PurplePillDebate04/03/26 04:39 PM
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any man who is suspicious can just do the test himself. Agreed. Why spend state resources solving a problem that people who care can already solve for themselves? Frankly, if you're a dude who cares about a kid's genetics and you couldn't figure out the test for yourself, society benefited from the fact that you did not pass on your low IQ genes. We should all be breathing a sigh of relief that such men reproduced less than they thought.
/r/PurplePillDebate04/03/26 04:36 PM
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great then lay out or present what happens in said situation mister "just do the test" or "you did a fucked up thing" I don't get what you're doing. Are you sending me incoherent messages because you're trolling me? Or are you having a stroke while we're talking? I have no idea what you're asking me to explain to you.
/r/PurplePillDebate04/03/26 04:32 PM
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Also, just fucking go down to Walgreens and get a $30 test kit if you're worried about it. The incoherence of the red pill is simultaneously thinking that (1) a man really cares about the genetics of the kid but (2) couldn't be bothered to carry out a simple, widely available test for this thing he supposedly really cares about and (3) women are trying to baby trap this incompetent man so they can spend the rest of their lives coparenting with a guy who can't even take care of simple tasks conne…
/r/PurplePillDebate04/03/26 04:24 PM
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sure men who dispute paternity most likely in a child support situation force the women or child in question thats a great idea This is not an intelligible English sentence. Please rewrite it if you want me to respond. did you ever talk with a lawyer about this topic? Yes, actually. It helps that I both am a lawyer and spend lots of time around lawyers.
/r/PurplePillDebate04/03/26 04:17 PM
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Do you not understand how DNA tests work? You don't need the woman to participate - you already know she's genetically related to the baby since it came out of her. You only need access to (1) the man you are evaluating for paternity (and dudes have access to themselves) and (2) the kid (which the man presumably has access to since people are saying he's the father). You don't need the mom's permission. You don't need her cooperation. You don't need a court order. You can just go down to the Wal…
/r/PurplePillDebate04/03/26 03:55 PM
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It's actually unconstitutional under the Due Process clause for the state to create a system where people have to prove that they aren't guilty of a crime. So in addition to being fascist and incoherently stupid, OP's proposal would be illegal to implement. Side note, why is it always the guys who are clearly not getting laid who yell the most loudly about paternity fraud? I don't think virgins need to be as worried about paternity fraud as they are.
/r/PurplePillDebate04/03/26 03:44 PM
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OP, congratulations. This is quite possibly the dumbest proposal I have ever seen a human put forward on any topic. Let's start off with something obvious: Paternity tests are extraordinarily cheap, widely available, and they don't require anybody else's permission to obtain or use. If a man wants to know whether a kid is genetically related to him, he can go down to Walgreens and pick up a kit any time he wants. (I just googled the price and a kit is $30 at Walgreens.) So the first (of many!) w…
/r/PurplePillDebate04/03/26 03:06 PM
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a lot of countries Good thing the FBI generates its crime statistics from one country.
/r/PurplePillDebate01/03/26 03:46 AM
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No one but you will ever give a single damn about your safety. That's not true. Lots of people give a shit about the safety of others, even those they haven't met. For example, I care about factory workers having a safe work environment even though I am not a factory worker. I give to charities for people suffering in places like Gaza even though I've never been there and probably never will be. And tons of other people behave in the same way, which is why we have established charities and workp…
/r/PurplePillDebate28/02/26 07:53 PM
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as if only men committed atrocities It's definitely not true that men commit all rapes. But according to this nifty FBI fact sheet 93.6% of rapists are men. Kind of a big, interesting skew given that men don't make up 93.6% of the population.
/r/PurplePillDebate28/02/26 07:41 PM
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There are “two sides” to the topic. If a woman interacts with men who approach her in public, and kisses the attractive guy from her soccer hobby, then she’s likely super safe the whole time. Colleges are observably rampant with at least somewhat safe, attractive men, hence all the women engaging in indiscriminate hookups. There are shitloads of women who have gotten raped by "safe" looking college students on college campuses. Brock Turner, a famous rapist, was a Stanford student who looked saf…
/r/PurplePillDebate28/02/26 07:37 PM
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Great post. The only thing that causes rape is rapists. There is only one thing that stops rape, and that's stopping the rapist. A rapist's decision to commit rape should never be placed on the victim.
/r/PurplePillDebate28/02/26 07:30 PM
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This is a good observation, and you're right that women (like men) fall on a spectrum of attractiveness. That said, I don't think it necessarily means a woman is unattractive if she's not getting approached. That's especially true where what makes a woman attractive is what's in her brain or personality, which you can't see from the other side of the room. It just means that, for that woman, not all of her attractiveness is distributed to the outside.
/r/PurplePillDebate28/02/26 07:25 PM
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I personally think that some of those men have less IQ than needed, and others misunderstand as defensive mechanism. Maybe, but neither of those applies to me and I apparently misunderstood you too, which points to it being an issue with how the question is being asked. Women understood almost all. You've made the thread settings so only men can answer, so I don't think we're getting a good sample of that.
/r/PurplePillDebate28/02/26 05:17 PM
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I think you might not have asked the question you intended very clearly, because I notice you're having to tell lots of people (not just me) that they're misunderstanding you. It sounds like the question you want is something closer to: Assume men are transactional creatures who use women to the maximum extent possible. Given then assumption, what makes men attractive? The answer, given the assumption, is "nothing."
/r/PurplePillDebate28/02/26 04:51 PM
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If their narrative was true, no men would be attractive for anything other than purposes which are themselves transactional. It would be like having friends you know are only using you because they can't find someone better to hang out with. Thankfully, the narrative is not correct.
/r/PurplePillDebate28/02/26 04:39 PM
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The answer is that this isn't actually how people behave for the most part. Think of how you treat the other people who are important to you in your life: friends, family members, etc. Do you really approach those relationships transactionally? Is it just about what you can get out of them? Do you think things like "I could replace my existing friends with better friends?" There are some guys here (the RP ones) who are going to say that it's just transactional. But those guys aren't, and can't, …
/r/PurplePillDebate28/02/26 04:21 PM
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Is that how you think about your male friends or brothers? I have a brother with no impetus towards utility but I love him all the same. He's actually a great guy. Men, like women, are allowed to just exist. As long as you're feeding yourself and paying your rent and taxes, who cares how useful you are?
/r/PurplePillDebate23/02/26 11:46 PM
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Litigation is roughly 50/50 men and women, involves constant back-and-forth dominance (arguing, winning, losing), and puts both genders on equal footing — making it a great environment to observe fragile masculinity in action. The core diagnostic: Does a man behave differently when the person on the other side is a woman, even when the situation doesn't call for it? Three patterns OP identifies (with tongue-in-cheek acronyms): Masculinity Threatening Events (MTEs): Normal professional losses (ge…
/r/PurplePillDebate23/02/26 11:44 PM
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The post does not read this way. Russel makes decisions without consultation(nor it appears oversight). Is driven to reassert his position regardless of relevance. Appears to lack a modicum of humility. Conversely almost all the lawyers I know are shrewdly discreet. Thus if attributing good qualities to litigating? Dominance, at least overtly, would appear to be a somewhat risqué factor. Interestingly, Russell is otherwise a very solid litigator. Great guy to be on a case with if all the partici…
/r/PurplePillDebate23/02/26 11:39 PM
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This is basically how everyone acts when they get defensive and insecure. I would agree except I work in a job which makes everybody insecure around everybody and this dude does the insecurity different around women. I have seen most of my coworkers' "embarrassed" faces because this is a job where you get embarrassed a lot. Everyone gets dunked on eventually. Most of my coworkers don't do fem_REEEs though. Self awareness is iq gated and the gate is relatively high. Frustratingly, this guy has a …
/r/PurplePillDebate23/02/26 11:27 PM
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A man with a fragile masculinity would seem to be at a big disadvantage Indeed. Enough of one to make his coworkers complain about it
/r/PurplePillDebate23/02/26 11:13 PM
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I think we are watching a fem-REEE in disguise 🥸 Interesting emotional reaction, though. Thanks for letting me watch.
/r/PurplePillDebate23/02/26 11:10 PM
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Yes, what I'm describing is different from a normal embarrassed reaction. What I'm describing specifically happens when a guy feels emasculated, as opposed to just feeling dumb. And the emasculation generally requires that there be a woman involved in the scenario at some point.
/r/PurplePillDebate23/02/26 10:19 PM
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100%. It's especially insane in this a bursting at the seams with brilliant women.
/r/PurplePillDebate23/02/26 10:17 PM
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Thanks! Thinking of the outbursts as fem-REEEs makes them slightly less annoying :P
/r/PurplePillDebate23/02/26 10:04 PM
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It’s just that women don’t exist in environments with lots of smart people in them. Asian males usually dominate the “smart people” groups. I know plenty of women who could disprove that for you, and give you a fem-REEE. However, competent conformity has its downsides compared to guys who are more likely to have a “competitively independent” personality. Everyone in the litigation setting is competitive (both the men and the women). The field self-selects for the personality type. No one volunta…
/r/PurplePillDebate23/02/26 09:56 PM
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I think he's carrying around a lot of classic misogyny, in the sense that I think buried deep in his head is the idea that women aren't supposed to be as smart as men (or at least as smart as him). Like, I think in his ideal world smart, attractive girls are just supposed to be cheerleaders for him being smart. When he's forced to confront a situation where that assumption is disproven by reality, you get a fem-REEE.
/r/PurplePillDebate23/02/26 09:53 PM
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Are you gonna help me with your masters degree in still-lives-with-mom?
/r/PurplePillDebate23/02/26 08:58 PM
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If you face criminal penalties for not signing it, it's a burden. You risked a paper cut for your country. 🫡🇺🇸 Maybe mom will make you a cardboard purple heart you can put on the fridge. Every year on the 4th of July, men who are still in bed this day will hold their manhoods cheap! For he to-day that sheds his ink on the form with with me shall be my brother; We few, we happy few, we band of brothers! I don't give a fuck what men you're talking about. You're the one sitting in your mother's bas…
/r/PurplePillDebate23/02/26 08:06 PM
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American chauvinism Bro, you came into a thread about America and are complaining about people in talking about America.
/r/PurplePillDebate23/02/26 07:59 PM
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All of that is a straw man. This is not just about the draft, it is about the fact that if you don't register as a man, you risk criminal proceedings and the loss of a lot of rights. Bullshit. It's a one page form. It's not a fucking burden. I know because I personally "served my country" 🙄 just like all the other men by filling in the same form as everyone else. It took less than five minutes. Women should have to fill in the form too, but it is bullshit to claim that you have suffered some mea…
/r/PurplePillDebate23/02/26 07:53 PM
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as a 37 year old man Most ironically, being a 37 year old man means this guy was not alive in 1976, which was the last year the US had a draft. It means this guys has never been any more subject to a draft than the high school girl he's trying to lecture. He's claiming credit for a pretend obligation that he's never borne. It's stolen valor on the way to his real conclusion which is "women shouldn't get to vote." If anyone should lose the right to vote, it's men who pretend they have been subjec…
/r/PurplePillDebate23/02/26 07:19 PM
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This is a thread specifically about America - i.e. the "selective service," which is part of US law. Look up, it's in the title. You're shifting the topic to other countries because you're losing the original issue.
/r/PurplePillDebate23/02/26 07:17 PM
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So we're claiming credit for things that happened to other people, in other places, at other times now? If you're in America, unless you're super old, you have never been subjected to a draft. Selective service is not a draft, it is a paperwork requirement. That paperwork should be de-gendered (women should do it too), but it's not a big sacrifice.
/r/PurplePillDebate23/02/26 07:09 PM
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Ok, then women are subject to an equally pretend risk that Congress will pass a female only draft. It's still a risk, even if it never happens. It's just pretend both ways. Congress isn't going to pass a draft. You are not making a unique sacrifice for the country because of your penis.
/r/PurplePillDebate23/02/26 07:04 PM
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Yes, and you're just assuming that the hypothetical future change in the law by Congress would disadvantage men vs. women. You're assuming that because you need it for your self esteem - "look at me, a man bearing a pretend future burden of a hypothetical future draft!" But it's a dumb assumption. This is 2026. Outside a male need to feel special, there's no actual reason to assume that only men would be drafted if Congress changes the law.
/r/PurplePillDebate23/02/26 06:59 PM
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Eastern Europe isn't exactly known for gender progressivism. But they should definitely change that. Men and women are equally good at piloting and getting blown up by drones.
/r/PurplePillDebate23/02/26 06:56 PM
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As the selective service law currently stands in the U.S. afaik only men 18-25 are actually eligible to be drafted. This is incorrect. By current law, nobody can be drafted. Men have a legal paperwork requirement, but no legal possibility of being drafted. The law could change, if Congress passed a draft, but MRAs like to pretend that it would (in 2026) be a gendered draft which is stupid. Mens rights activists like to pretend they have some risk of being drafted (despite only having a paperwork…
/r/PurplePillDebate23/02/26 06:53 PM
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But it would help if women more vocally anti-draft. There is no draft. The US doesn't have a draft, we have an anti-draft. That is, we have a federal law that says you can't be drafted after 1976 (and none of us are in 1976). What the US has is a paperwork requirement. Yes, that paperwork requirement should not be gendered. Everyone should do it. But men shouldn't claim credit for bearing the risk of a draft that doesn't exist. Frankly, between the two problems (i.e. an uneven paperwork requirem…
/r/PurplePillDebate23/02/26 06:46 PM
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Unless you personally went to Vietnam or Korea, you have never been subject to the draft. You are a military imposter. You are pretending to have made a sacrifice - pretending that you've been subjected to a risk - when you really haven't. The United States does not have a draft. Men are no more subject to a non-existent draft than women are. You are just pretending you did something you didn't do so you can try to claim unearned credit for your pretend accomplishments. It's gross and you should…
/r/PurplePillDebate23/02/26 06:41 PM
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There should not be a gender difference in SS registration, but The extent to which this creates a gender imbalance is being completely exaggerated by men who are looking to get credit for things they haven't done and risks they haven't borne. Selective service is an easy form you fill out, normally when you get your drivers license for the first time. That's it. That's the whole obligation. It's a simple, unobtrusive paperwork requirement. The United States does NOT have a draft. In fact, we ha…
/r/PurplePillDebate23/02/26 06:36 PM
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A+ post
/r/PurplePillDebate22/02/26 12:45 AM
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it's an ideology that is especially harmful today as most countries in the world have either below replacement level fertility rates Hey retard, I've got a clue for you - the human population is the biggest it has ever been. We are not running out of people. We have way more people than we will ever need. You just want a bangmaid and are mad that people can live happy lives without being that.
/r/PurplePillDebate22/02/26 12:40 AM
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I wasn't trying to insinuate anything about you - just talking about my personal experience. I get lots of matches on the apps and that has just been an unexpected difficulty. I think you have a good idea with dating one person at a time.
/r/PurplePillDebate21/02/26 09:22 PM
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I think the biggest problem (for me at least) is that having a big giant list of potential partners makes it hard to emotionally connect with any single person.
/r/PurplePillDebate21/02/26 08:24 PM
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there are far too few women who don't expect this of men, relative to the amount of men who don't want to abide by these arbitrary gender roles. This might be because of the different areas we live in or something. I live in a big urban area and date professional women. It's never been hard for me to find women who agree with me that gender roles are stupid. But if you live in a more conservative or rural area, there might be few of those.
/r/PurplePillDebate21/02/26 08:21 PM
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Realistically nobody should be centering other people. That's just not a good recipe for either a happy life or a healthy relationship. That's not to say you shouldn't care about, or be kind to other people. But the sort of centering described in the OP is way beyond that.
/r/PurplePillDebate21/02/26 04:46 PM
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I think it would be easier to propose that we all take up wearing hair shirts or that we all become flagellants. clearly, the « everything is cute and nice and fuzzy » approach is not working. It's working really well if your goal is "the world is a nice place for ordinary people to live in." We live in the wealthiest, most comfortable world that has ever existed for any group of humans in history. It's a pretty awesome world if you can set aside the black pill glasses of despair. let’s get back…
/r/PurplePillDebate20/02/26 01:26 PM
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Are you saying that because you hate other people and want the world to be a shittier place to live in?
/r/PurplePillDebate20/02/26 01:12 PM
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there are non-Feminist alternatives that have the same moral structure and fundamental reasoning Sounds like a feminism that's afraid to admit it. Like when they take a ladies shampoo which works really well and make it smell like pine trees so men will use it.
/r/PurplePillDebate20/02/26 03:49 AM
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While OP is incorrect due to overgeneralization, the kind of harsh behavior they are referencing is consistent to specific groups in feminism, those often being the loudest voices. It's very similar to how Christians get lumped in with Evangelicals due to their hateful rhetoric being the most platformed due to a willingness to throw the teaching of Jesus under the bus when it conflicts with conservatism and the Prosperity Gospel being a very agreeable message to wealthy individuals. I think this…
/r/PurplePillDebate20/02/26 02:33 AM
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You need to read some bell hooks. Being a dude isn't just about advantages.
/r/PurplePillDebate20/02/26 02:23 AM
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I love this post ❤️ [Edit: It's even more hilarious after he deleted. You just yeeted that dude off the internet with your wit. If I had a crown I would give it to you]
/r/PurplePillDebate20/02/26 01:32 AM
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Thank you for appreciating my pearls
/r/PurplePillDebate20/02/26 01:30 AM
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And that's when women start going on about how they think men are useless. Women don't like men who don't fulfill those arbitrary gender roles. Yet strangely enough women want total freedom from all their gender roles. This is another case where it's unhelpful to generalize about a group. Some women definitely do expect men to behave in the way you've described. But there is a direct relationship between a woman expecting this behavior and that woman adhering to traditional gender expectations. …
/r/PurplePillDebate19/02/26 09:14 PM
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Slogans are fucking stupid. Then your point should have been "slogans are dumb" and not: women need to be more articulate
/r/PurplePillDebate19/02/26 08:34 PM
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Just because a punishment is lower doesn’t mean those accused should be denied the most basic due process procedures. "Due process" doesn't refer to a fixed procedure. Whether a procedure satisfies due process depends on balancing factorss from a Supreme Court case called Matthews v. Eldridge. The factors are: The interests of the individual in retaining their property and the injury threatened by the official action; The risk of error through the procedures used and probable value, if any, of a…
/r/PurplePillDebate19/02/26 08:31 PM
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This is dumb. Most political slogans are phrased in generalities. "Give me liberty or give me death" is an example - nobody thinks that a person who says that slogan is asking to be killed in the event of a minor impediment to their liberty. There are lots of other examples: (1) "From each according to their means, to each according to their needs," (2) "give peace a chance," (3) "yes we can," etc. Slogans aren't meant to be taken literally, and most people in society are smart enough to discern…
/r/PurplePillDebate19/02/26 08:22 PM
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Almost all health issues are felt by a subset of the population and not by the rest of it. For example, if you get cancer or have a nut allergy, that's a condition that affects you but not your coworkers. We accommodate those conditions despite the fact that they're not shared by everyone. I don't see why menstruation, if it's disabling for a particular woman, should be treated differently.
/r/PurplePillDebate19/02/26 08:16 PM
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I probably won't read it No surprise. The one thing you've convincingly shown us all is that you aren't a big reader.
/r/PurplePillDebate19/02/26 08:09 PM
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what feminism is or is supposed to be is one thing and how individual feminists behave or act is another... Sure, that's literally true of any group of humans. Very few people are capable of living up to all of their ideals all the time. calling out toxic individuals "including within feminist spaces" Being a feminist doesn't stop you from being a shitty person or from having shitty views. Terfs, like JK Rowling, are feminists but they're shitty people. Some 19th century feminists were very raci…
/r/PurplePillDebate19/02/26 08:01 PM
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A word to describe a group of people DEFINITIONALLY requires them to share something in common Yes, and the thing they have in common is being part of the same intellectual tradition. In other words, there is a chain of thinkers, writers, and activists going from Seneca Falls in 1848 (first wave feminism), through second wave feminism in the mid-20th century, through third wave feminism and to the present day. (Note that I've only described part of the tradition here for brevity - not all femini…
/r/PurplePillDebate19/02/26 07:42 PM
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This post is an extremely long way of writing "I'm not educated enough to know what feminism is." Feminism is an intellectual tradition, like liberalism. There's not a single thing that all the feminists agree on. They disagree with each other in various ways. You can intelligently critique the views of this feminist or that feminist, but when you make sweeping claims about "feminism" like the ones here you're just demonstrating that you haven't educated yourself enough to meaningfully participa…
/r/PurplePillDebate19/02/26 04:09 PM
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Some guys do the things you're describing, but over the course of my life I've known plenty of men who don't behave like this at all. So when you say "men do x, y, z," that's not a descriptively accurate statement in many instances. Also, if this was the way men act by virtue of being men, then gay relationships (which involve two men) would be the most emotionally stable because both individuals would be doing this. And if you're friends with any gay people, you know that that's not how it work…
/r/PurplePillDebate19/02/26 03:24 PM
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Look at us, having a reasoned discussion on purple pill. I'm pretty sure that breaks the rules.
/r/PurplePillDebate18/02/26 03:49 AM
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there IS a “brand” of feminism, so-called “pink pill feminism,” that is basically “I’m a strong independent woman but you should pay for everything.” Yeah. If RP dudes knew enough to tell the different feminists apart and identify specific ones they disagree with, they would probably find a lot more agreement from others. The solution is "don't go on dates with feminists who expect you to still perform cherry picked gender roles."
/r/PurplePillDebate17/02/26 10:06 PM
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“Courting” is apparently a one sided obligation put purely on men because of the gender they were born with. So much for egalitarianism. What planet are you living on? Women court too, and the same way men do. What do you think is happening when a woman goes on a date?
/r/PurplePillDebate17/02/26 10:03 PM
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Dude, this is not how it worked, even historically. If there was a contractual expectation historically, it was when you got married. The world where men were expected to pay was also one where there was a strong social custom against premarital sex. There was never a world where paying for a date entitled you to sex.
/r/PurplePillDebate17/02/26 10:02 PM
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Contributing equally to chores isn't a "covert contract" - it's just being an adult. Paying your own half the bill is also just being an adult. The only women I've seen complain about men not paying are red-pill women who still want traditional gender norms. And people find Trump and MAGAtards gross because he's a pedo, a rapist, a felon, and a bunch of other shitty things. People don't find Trump supporters gross because they're trying to get laid - they find them gross because they are. even w…
/r/PurplePillDebate17/02/26 09:56 PM
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That's a weird way to write "I didn't get into a good college."
/r/PurplePillDebate17/02/26 12:04 AM
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It's heavily dependent on where you live. Places like California are OK (though way worse than actual first world countries like Denmark), but the deep south is basically a third world country. For example, giving birth in Mississippi is more dangerous for mothers than giving birth in Mexico or Mongolia.
/r/PurplePillDebate16/02/26 01:03 AM
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I'm not talking about bars. I'm talking about spaces like online dating or meet-up events, which explicitly exist for the purpose of allowing people who want to form a romantic connection to do so. There are a functionally infinite number of women in those spaces who would like to be hit on. You don't need to bother some woman who is just getting a drink at a bar or shopping for groceries. Men risk creep shaming Good! Subjecting someone who hasn't asked for it to your sexual interest does make y…
/r/PurplePillDebate14/02/26 09:24 AM
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It works for telemarketers too. That's why telemarketers do it.
/r/PurplePillDebate14/02/26 01:13 AM
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the patriarchy This doesn't have anything to do with patriarchy. You're acting like a spammy telemarketer, but you're peddling your unwanted and unreciprocated sexual desire instead of an unwanted cable package.
/r/PurplePillDebate14/02/26 12:45 AM
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There are an effectively infinite number of women in spaces where they are asking to be hit on. Why are you harassing someone who is just living their life and hasn't asked to be bothered by you? That just makes you a creep and an asshole.
/r/PurplePillDebate14/02/26 12:11 AM
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Nobody should be weaponizing therapy concepts, but why are you gendering this? What's your evidence that women do this more than men?
/r/PurplePillDebate13/02/26 11:59 PM
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24/7 dynamics are not safe. I'm not that familiar with the kink community so maybe this is a dumb question, but why would a 24/7 relationship be more dangerous than one you turn on and off?
/r/PurplePillDebate12/02/26 07:00 PM
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The women using dating apps and meet events typically have high standards though. I'm not following your reasoning. First, what's wrong with a woman having high standards? Second, if a guy can't meet the standards of women who want to be hit on, why would he meet the standards of women who don't want to be hit on?
/r/PurplePillDebate12/02/26 06:48 PM
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You obviously leave out the possibility that women do in fact become more unreasonable in what they demand in a partner the older they get. This is stupid, and the kind of thing that is only possible to think if you don't actually spend much time interacting with women. All you're doing by making this claim is unwittingly telling on yourself. Women are individuals, just like men. Some get more reasonable as they age, and some get more unreasonable - just like with men. Because in real life actua…
/r/PurplePillDebate12/02/26 05:54 PM
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I'm a man around 40, and the idea of dating a 20 year old is decidedly NOT appealing. You're talking about a girl who doesn't have any experience or sophistication, and who is not going to be that interesting to talk to on most topics. On top of that, a 20 year old hasn't gone through the various stages of life that are essential to forming a full adult - going to university, starting a career, etc. But the difference between you and me is that I expect the women I date to be my equal. I care ab…
/r/PurplePillDebate12/02/26 05:50 PM
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Well, she's definitely proposing to overthrow the patriarchy but I think "fifth columnists" is the wrong term to describe that. A fifth columnist is someone who undermines their society from within. By contrast, men who manage to cast off their internalized patriarchy are like slaves setting themselves free, or revolutionaries casting off an oppressive government. Patriarchy oppresses everyone. It steals part of the beauty of life, and of human connection from it. Patriarchy is a shitty, awful s…
/r/PurplePillDebate10/02/26 07:16 PM
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bell hooks' main contribution to feminism has been her formulation of love as a revolutionary act. This, in fact, serves to enforce a rigid an gynocentric emotional dynamic. To her, since patriarchy denies men the right to love, it is the responsibility of women to perform the emotional labour of decoding men's emotional trauma. I've read a lot of bell hooks and I don't know where you're getting this last line from. Hooks definitely talks about the injury that patriarchy inflicts on men, but I d…
/r/PurplePillDebate10/02/26 05:11 PM
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Yeah. Bell hooks is very easy reading if you're a guy. It's wild seeing OP react to her like this.
/r/PurplePillDebate10/02/26 05:02 PM
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“Love”, “equality”, “patriarchy”, “sexual assault” etc. are all vague words. They don’t point to anything specific. You personally not knowing the meaning of those words isn't the same thing as the words actually being vague. then there is a vested effort to change the meaning. You're using the term "vested" incorrectly. This circular reasoning The example you gave does not involve circular reasoning.
/r/PurplePillDebate10/02/26 04:58 PM
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Men aren't mind readers. You don't have to be a mind reader. There are plenty of places where women signal that they are open to being hit on. You just go to those places. You don't need to walk up to some woman who is just trying to buy pears at the grocery store and force her to respond to your sexual interest. You are an asshole if you do.
/r/PurplePillDebate10/02/26 04:33 PM
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There's an easy solution! There are these places where women congregate because they're looking for someone to hit on them. Dating apps, meet events, etc. It's super easy to find women who are open to being hit on. There is zero reason or justification to impose your sexual interest on someone (woman or otherwise) who is just going about their daily life. It is an asshole move and you are in the wrong if you do it. You don't have any basis to complain about getting your feelings hurt when you ge…
/r/PurplePillDebate10/02/26 04:31 PM
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have the unilateral choice Excepting cases of rape, both men and women exercise a choice as to whether to produce a child. Biologically, women can exercise their choice later in time (via terminating the pregnancy), but they're still exercising the same choice men are. Unless both the man and the woman decide to engage in behavior that will cause a child, no child is going to result. If you're a dude and you don't want a kid, get a vasectomy. Be an adult and exercise some responsibility for your…
/r/PurplePillDebate08/02/26 08:22 PM
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patriarchy is a societal structure That's not inconsistent with the definition I gave. Male domination can be a social structure, but not all social structures are patriarchy. What makes a social structure patriarchy is the male domination. patriarchy is a ... value system Again, that's not inconsistent with the definition I gave. Male domination can express (usually implicitly) a system of values. But not every value system is patriarchal - what makes a value system patriarchal is the male domi…
/r/PurplePillDebate06/02/26 04:25 PM
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I'm not suggesting it will. My point is just that the history of pre-modern societies is sort of useless for predicting what will happen in modern contexts.
/r/PurplePillDebate06/02/26 04:18 PM
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What are warning signs women should look out for that point towards a man not taking her seriously despite being exclusive with a girlfriend title? The main thing is whether the guy is investing in you / your relationship.
/r/PurplePillDebate06/02/26 12:26 AM
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I can help! The thing is that you're mis-conceptualizing the hierarchy. I think in your mind you're conceptualizing the hierarchy in terms of bands like top/middle/bottom. Instead, think of these social dominance relationships (including patriarchy) as directional forces. But multiple forces can act on a single social object. So wealth might push me one way, race another, and sex might push back in the first direction. A person's social status is the combined effect of all these forces. To give …
/r/PurplePillDebate06/02/26 12:14 AM
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We agree on something!! I'm glad to hear you're not one of them. Feminism says patriarchy is bad - that's not the same thing as saying men are bad. Men are also the victims of patriarchy.
/r/PurplePillDebate05/02/26 11:41 PM
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Women's psychology change when it comes to what they find attractive depending on their environment and situation. Even in modern society when they have economic independence, women still are attracted to a certain level of wealth and status, though it's not as important due to the current situation. Most of history was populated by mental retards. Globally, across societies, as soon as people stopped being retarded they got rid of patriarchy. That's the common thread. Patriarchal societies are …
/r/PurplePillDebate05/02/26 11:20 PM
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Do you find morally repugnant people physically attractive? The radical (and increasingly dominant) faction of feminism has been telling women that most, if not all, men are evil bastards for years. Is it any surprise that message is having side effects? I have a feeling that this is drifting towards you revealing that you're a Trump supporter, and you complaining that people find you repugnant for it...
/r/PurplePillDebate05/02/26 11:17 PM
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The patriarchy as they claim Patriarchy is "male domination," meaning domination which occurs as part of an expression of a male gender role. That kind of domination can be performed by someone who otherwise lacks much in the way of social power. For example, a peasant farmer who beats his wife to put her in her place is engaged in patriarchy even though he lacks much in the way of power compared to the broader society.
/r/PurplePillDebate05/02/26 11:12 PM
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How can only men be involved in having many partners? Because historically they only asked men.
/r/PurplePillDebate05/02/26 10:51 PM
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Remove the whole idea of "owning" someone and monogamy also falls I'm pretty sure people are capable of being monogamous without owning each other. Birds are often monogamous and birds don't have any concept of ownership.
/r/PurplePillDebate05/02/26 10:49 PM
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In history Humans were mentally retarded everywhere on Earth until the 1960-80s (when the first societies reached the Flynn plateau) because society was too primitive to allow human brains to grow into their full potential until then (and even in the 1980s, it was only the most advanced countries which reached the Flynn plateau with more joining over time). The limits the utility of historical comparisons to retard societies unless you make adjustments for the fact that they were populated by re…
/r/PurplePillDebate05/02/26 10:32 PM
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Very interesting point and thank you for making it empirical.
/r/PurplePillDebate05/02/26 10:16 PM
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"For those specific guys" are the majority. How are you counting? If you're telling me that a majority of men "just want to nut," I am here not just as a man, but as a man who knows lots of men, to tell you that you're wrong. "What do men want" is a rare question that's easier to answer with a penis than without one.
/r/PurplePillDebate04/02/26 08:05 AM
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Can we move to the planet where you come from? Unfortunately you're stuck on it. Here, Trump is in charge of figuring out the solution to AI job displacement.
/r/PurplePillDebate04/02/26 07:48 AM
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For those specific guys, sure. But not for a majority of guys. And we should note, there are also some women who just want to cum as well and who are totally open to a bare hook up. But it's not close to a majority of either gender. The reality, stripped of a patriarchal stereotype of men, is that there a bunch of different individuals with different goals and desires but we hear the most from people who treat it as a numbers game.
/r/PurplePillDebate03/02/26 07:30 PM
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I think this is the same illusion we we see with spam emails. If you just looked at all the email traffic, you might conclude that email users are spammers from the fraction of total emails that are spam emails. But in reality, you have a massive number of normal human users sending a few emails in a non-spam way and then a small number of people (often with many accounts) sending enormous quantities of junk. By the same token, the dudes who just want to nut on the first date have an incentive t…
/r/PurplePillDebate03/02/26 06:53 PM
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That's a lie pump and dumpers tell women who are dumb enough to believe that. I can't tell if it's a lie or if some guys' brains are just emotionally stunted. But it's definitely not true of the substantial majority of men.
/r/PurplePillDebate03/02/26 06:27 PM
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I'm a man and this is ridiculous. Sex is great but it is one of many ways in which people express love for each other. Maybe that's what it's like to be in your brain, but in that case this is like a color blind person realizing that everyone else can see differences in colors that to them look the same. Other dudes can express and feel loved in lots of ways, including sex. If your brain can only perceive love through sex, that's a kind of blindness that is unique to you.
/r/PurplePillDebate03/02/26 06:24 PM
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I don't know if what you're saying is honestly what it's like to be in your head, or if you're just trying to say something edgy, but this is not how it is for most people. The people in my life that I care about I care about as ends in themselves because those people are precious to me. I'm way more interested in how I can help them than how they can help me (although they do help me all the time). I am entirely confident that they feel the same way in reverse. Getting to spend time with them a…
/r/PurplePillDebate03/02/26 06:15 PM
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Open relationships are a terrible idea for like 95% of the population. Unless you're certain you're in the 5%, you should generally always say no to the idea.
/r/PurplePillDebate03/02/26 05:35 PM
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It's just sort of sad and gross and that your entire relationship with women is reducible to "will she let me hit." Unlike the women in your life, the women in my life actually like me.
/r/PurplePillDebate03/02/26 04:52 AM
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a man who's happy that no woman has ever carried a burden for him. What are you talking about? I full on lean into my metaphorical sisters for support on a bunch of fucking issues. The women in my life carry my burdeny ass all over the fucking place, and they're happy to do it because I have them back. I love them for it and I would carry all the bags for them (and do sometimes).
/r/PurplePillDebate03/02/26 04:46 AM
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Why is this what you assumed OP meant? Because he wrote it into the title of this thread.
/r/PurplePillDebate03/02/26 04:34 AM
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That being said, obviously the solution is a conversation about how and when is best to give and ask for help. Not going "well if you get to take me for granted I get to take you for granted too!!" Exactly. Your scenario is the exact sort of thing that people who like and care about each other sort out with a conversation. OP going to "the solution is to treat women like objects" is insane.
/r/PurplePillDebate02/02/26 07:50 PM
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Of course there's not. At least half the time the mating age human population is going to be an odd number, which definitionally means you can't make a 1:1 pairing of everyone.
/r/PurplePillDebate02/02/26 05:57 PM
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o I came across a video where a man was carrying a woman shopping bag and boxes while she was talking on the phone. What struck me about the video was how many women supported this behavior. The comments are full of women calling it “hot,” “masculine,” or “relationship goals.” I mean I get it do things because you love someone but I can’t help but care for my fellow men and this kind of things rubs me off the wrong way. This is mind bogglingly warped thinking. You're acting like the man is a vic…
/r/PurplePillDebate02/02/26 05:48 PM
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But, as a man, if you also have boring personality and no sense of humor, you don't have positive masculinity, you have certain mental issue, you struggle with money, you don't have many friends or hobbies, etc. Then it's perfectly reasonable to say that you are simply undateable. No need to sugarcoat things. All these traits are mutable if you want them to be.
/r/PurplePillDebate02/02/26 05:09 PM
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All reasoning from empirical evidence involves extrapolation. Maybe all the ex-incels are lying (another dark conspiracy, on top of the one the women are participating in!). But I would suggest to you that when you get to the point where you think all the evidence that contradicts your views comes from people who are conspiring to trick you, that that reasoning is actually more indicative of the way these spaces warp perception. The reality is that people can and do escape from the dark incel ho…
/r/PurplePillDebate01/02/26 04:18 PM
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You should read some of the stories of men who escaped from these communities. There's honestly a ton of stories out there that are easy to find. The stories of incels who escaped are very similar to the stories of people who got sucked into white supremacist groups and escaped. It's very striking how these groups essentially warp the brains of their own members. The good news is, once individuals escape they generally go back to having normal, happy lives.
/r/PurplePillDebate01/02/26 04:11 PM
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First, there are millions of Gen Z men who did not vote for Trump, so let's not smear that whole group with that nasty accusation. As for the ones who did, one major requirement to vote for Trump is that you have to be OK supporting a rapist (and, as we've been learning, either a pedo-friend or a pedophile). Honestly, I don't understand how anyone does that, regardless of age. Similarly, I've never really understood how people signed up to be Nazis either. And that's despite having read a bunch …
/r/PurplePillDebate01/02/26 03:56 PM
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if only they were happier, they wouldn’t be unhappy, is a little insulting and reductive. The actual way for incels to become happier is for them to get off the incel forums. Those forums inflict a constant debuff to happiness, as well as filling victims' heads with delusions about how there's a big female conspiracy out to get them. It’s basically invalidating their issues and suggesting that everything that is wrong with them is something they are missing in themselves. No, most of their issue…
/r/PurplePillDebate01/02/26 03:42 PM
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Unfortunately, the universe still hasn't scraped out all my capacity for surprised disappointment yet (despite trying very hard over the last year and a half).
/r/PurplePillDebate01/02/26 03:25 PM
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Jeffrey Epstein's interview with Steve bannon Wait, is that a thing? Sort of mind blowing that an international pedophile would just show up to be interviewed. And mind blowing that someone would think it a good idea to have an international pedophile on their show.
/r/PurplePillDebate01/02/26 03:07 PM
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The OP is talking about the group of men on this subreddit, which is not representative of the broader population. This place is crawling with dudes who resent women as a class. It's very obvious from what they say here.
/r/PurplePillDebate01/02/26 03:02 PM
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100% this.
/r/PurplePillDebate01/02/26 03:00 PM
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If you’re a guy with experience, you’re going to be able to deduce whether or not she’s opening herself up to you or not. Notice that you're shifting the goal post. Earlier we were talking about the ability to tell what a woman did sexually in prior relationships. That's not the same thing as being able to tell that a girl is into your (which I agree most guys can do). In fact, you've moved the goalposts to the point of inverting them. Comparison to past sexual history was, in the earlier tellin…
/r/PurplePillDebate01/02/26 02:59 PM
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Yes, but it's the kind of thing that help from a partner will go a long way with. Only a little bit. As long as the man hasn't done the work to outgrow the paranoia, anything the woman does is just going to be viewed through the paranoia's lens. Like I said, your brain will literally twist the evidence around you to fit the paranoia. A therapist is way more helpful than a partner for overcoming that kind of irrational thought pattern. I don't think it's costly or hard to fake, and what is it eve…
/r/PurplePillDebate01/02/26 02:54 PM
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And I'm saying you're not actually interpreting real signals at all, you're just hearing noise and processing it through incel logic to reach "oh, this means she was willing to give her ex but not me a rimjob."
/r/PurplePillDebate01/02/26 08:57 AM
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Counterhypothesis: You are so insecure that no matter what your girlfriend does with you sexually, your insecurity will write her a past sexual history where she did something for an ex that she isn't doing for you.
/r/PurplePillDebate01/02/26 08:48 AM
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If you're sitting there wondering why she's not as sexually aggressive with you as she was with her ex or someone she dated in the past Look at this guy, thinking that when people go to have sex they announce "I am hereby being less venturesome than I was with the last partner."
/r/PurplePillDebate01/02/26 08:31 AM
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I'm not afraid of successful women. You very obviously are. It's hardly concealed. I just see it as odd that you're arguing that women preferring higher earning men as false. Everybody prefers their mate be higher earning except the terminally insecure.
/r/PurplePillDebate01/02/26 08:10 AM
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Because you're confusing two completely different things: 1) A success preference - this is gender neutral and is just the preference of individuals everywhere that their mate be more successful rather than less successful. 2) A "woman is less successful" preference - this is gendered and is your specific expectation that the woman has to be poorer and less accomplished so that your individual level of accomplishment will seem bigger by comparison. Most people don't have this hang up. It's a you…
/r/PurplePillDebate01/02/26 07:57 AM
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Women prefer a higher earning men. I, a man, prefer higher earning women. This is because (1) income is correlated with intelligence and I like em' smart 🥵 (2) them having their money plus me having my money equals $$ we can spend together. [In fact, I've sort of gotten picky and generally just want women who can tell the difference between the good wines on the menu.] Why shouldn't women prefer a higher earning man for the same reasons? In fact, they do! It turns out that a higher earning partn…
/r/PurplePillDebate01/02/26 07:46 AM
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I suspect I have spent more time talking to women about sex and dating than most men have, but that's irrelevant. See, this weird ass phrasing gives away the game. As phrased this would be true if you spent 100% of your time yelling at women about their n-count here on purple pill (which is plausible). Do you actually have women who are your friends in real life who you talk to about things that are not sex? Probably not.
/r/PurplePillDebate01/02/26 06:54 AM
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OK, so why are you gendering it? Sometimes the man makes more than the woman, sometimes the woman makes more than the man. Logically, it should be the higher earning partner who is worried about getting taken advantage of. For example, I work in a field full of high performing, hyper-intelligent women who I guarantee make more than you. But your concern is gendered - specifically about the woman ripping off the man. That's because it's irrational and the product of your gender insecurities, not …
/r/PurplePillDebate01/02/26 06:32 AM
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Look, let's say we actually wanted to settle this dispute. We'd want to look at our empirical evidence, and also think critically about the quality of that evidence, right? You don't have to tell me - and it's the internet, so I have no way of knowing if you're telling the truth anyways - but I really get the impression that you don't spend a lot of time talking to women. That you've reached the impression that women are evil without actually spending that much time with the subject of your rese…
/r/PurplePillDebate01/02/26 04:12 AM
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Part of your problem is that you've convinced yourself of this standard for love in your head which (1) is impossible to actually meet in real life and (2) is insufficiently informed by real life experience. Every single woman I've ever dated has been beautiful (at least to me). But if you date for a long enough time, out of the hundreds of times you have sex with the same person you are eventually going to think about someone else at least one of the times. It's not because the other person isn…
/r/PurplePillDebate01/02/26 03:53 AM
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Sounds like the goal is to prove to yourself that you are impossible for women to ever love.
/r/PurplePillDebate01/02/26 03:22 AM
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what are healthy ways to de-program (certain) men from neurotically obsessing over non-existent comparisons they believe their current partner is making of them to prior sex partners. I think you gotta get them off the incel forums. Those forums basically exist to convince men that every woman out there is lying to them and hates them. It's sad what happens to the victims of such environments.
/r/PurplePillDebate01/02/26 03:20 AM
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common male paranoia that your partner isn't really attracted to you, but stays with you anyways in order to use you for your stability/resources/emotional support, while getting her sexual needs met elsewhere This kind of paranoia, living as it does inside the man's brain, can only be addressed by the man. A GF can't lay that paranoia to rest because it's inherently irrational, and the brain of the person carrying the paranoia is just going to distort the evidence to feed it. That's part of wha…
/r/PurplePillDebate01/02/26 03:17 AM
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I bet your mom would think I'm a man.
/r/PurplePillDebate01/02/26 03:10 AM
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Oh no! My internet good boy points!
/r/PurplePillDebate01/02/26 02:25 AM
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40ish/m/Southwest/none Sex is great but you can have really close, intimate relationships with people without needing to fuck them. In a romantic relationship sex is one of the ways that you can get really close, and sort of transcend the intimacy that's possible without sex. There's a sense in which you don't really know your partner if you don't know how to make them cum. That's part of the close intimacy of it, which is part of the beauty when you have a close relationship of that sort. I can…
/r/PurplePillDebate01/02/26 12:27 AM
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Great post. Like A++
/r/PurplePillDebate31/01/26 11:43 PM
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Also an excellent post (not that I agree with it, but I followed the train of thought)
/r/PurplePillDebate31/01/26 11:18 PM
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Those women were in the right. You should not have been hitting on them.
/r/PurplePillDebate31/01/26 10:36 PM
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Dude, I want to shake you. THAT"S THE WHOLE POINT OF THE DATING PROFILE. Like that's literally, what it does, as an institution. In other words, my dating profile intentionally (and truthfully) conveys: (a) that I am safe, (b) that I have good values (and especially that I didn't vote for Trump [very important]), (c) that I am funny (my profile contains a joke that no one has dared to steal to my knowledge [it would be hard to steal as I integrally wove it into my profile]), (d) that I am an int…
/r/PurplePillDebate31/01/26 10:20 PM
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does not include any where women can get to know a man over a period of time to form an emotional connection and give the man time to demonstrate acceptable views and opinions on topics that matter to her I have no idea where you got this idea from. What do you think happens when you go on a date with a woman? That's where you're supposed to do that. The initial matching off the app (at at a meet) is just screening for people you might like to go on a first date with. Then, over the course of go…
/r/PurplePillDebate31/01/26 06:03 PM
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Great post
/r/PurplePillDebate31/01/26 05:20 PM
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Look, if you want to hit on a girl then go to the places where women congregate to be hit on. Dating events, online dating, etc. It's not hard. There are tons of those places. There is an infinite supply of women there looking for someone to hit on them. Outside those contexts, why should a stranger who is just living their lives have to undergo the awkward experience of being exposed to your sexual interest when they haven't done anything to indicate that they're interested in receiving it? It'…
/r/PurplePillDebate31/01/26 05:14 PM
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It's 4
/r/PurplePillDebate31/01/26 03:58 PM
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That's really interesting. TIL. Thanks for posting.
/r/PurplePillDebate31/01/26 02:53 PM
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You know there's this whole online experience you can do where women who are interested in you send you messages? All of the women who have ever wanted to convey interest to me have always had an easy time doing it. A lot of times they open with a joke or a question. Sometimes it's just "hi" (this last is annoying because it's hard to start a conversation from, but even "hi" on a dating app unambiguously conveys interest). It's a way better system than trying to read interest into a woman's beha…
/r/PurplePillDebate31/01/26 01:58 AM
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Yes, but sometimes people on the internet can be mean. Tonight you were one of the mean people on the internet.
/r/PurplePillDebate31/01/26 01:28 AM
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This is some crazypants nonsense from the incel forums.
/r/PurplePillDebate31/01/26 01:24 AM
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Anyone worried about what age they're a virgin at is worried, ipso facto, about the way their first time is going to go. And nobody else worried about it. Somebody who is in that context has already found someone who wants to sleep with them. Worrying about whether you're a virgin at that point is counterproductive.
/r/PurplePillDebate31/01/26 01:22 AM
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I wrote that with no feelings whatsoever. See, on the internet people can tell when that's a lie. At least sometimes.
/r/PurplePillDebate31/01/26 01:16 AM
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This is so sad. Look, as a guy who used to be a guy who had never had sex with a woman, if she is having sex with you she likes you. She is trying to be nice to you. She is not trying to humiliate you. She is spending way more time thinking about how you see her body. Just be nice back and she will too.
/r/PurplePillDebate31/01/26 01:06 AM
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That's not a very nice attitude.
/r/PurplePillDebate31/01/26 01:02 AM
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No. Shit loads of people are. A "red flag" is something that alerts you to be on attention for something worse down the line. That someone is a virgin in their 20s might alert you that they're shy, but it could just as easily be nothing more than that the literally haven't had sex yet because they're young. Don't worry about it. It's a literal non-signal in your 20s. It doesn't mean anything.
/r/PurplePillDebate31/01/26 01:00 AM
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Gross
/r/PurplePillDebate31/01/26 12:55 AM
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Women who want men to talk to them have never had trouble getting men to talk to them.
/r/PurplePillDebate31/01/26 12:22 AM
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This 100X. It's a good thing for everyone that most women aren't getting randomly approached. Women who are interested know how and where to signal it.
/r/PurplePillDebate30/01/26 11:41 PM
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Normal people, including both normal women and normal men, don't enjoy the experience of rejecting people. It's a shitty experience. The incels on here claiming women enjoy rejection are revealing by their absurd claim that they have never been in a position to do it to another person. It's similar to how a person who claims "bosses love firing their workers" shows by making that claim that they have never been boss of anything.
/r/PurplePillDebate30/01/26 07:16 PM
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Yeah, the OP proposal is sort of selfish. If you think more rejection will make the world better, put yourself out there and get some rejections. I think it's absurd to tell another group of people "you should be more uncomfortable but I am not willing to experience that same discomfort."
/r/PurplePillDebate30/01/26 07:13 PM
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True women love rejecting men. I've never met a woman who enjoyed rejecting men (or rejecting people in general). And unlike you, I actually know a lot of women IRL. Also, probably unlike you, I've been in the position of having to reject women who were into me but I wasn't into them back. It sucks and I would have paid money to avoid the experience if buying my way out was an option. In real life, most people who have to reject someone else tend to agonize and feel bad over it. Just like how mo…
/r/PurplePillDebate30/01/26 07:10 PM
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Great post
/r/PurplePillDebate29/01/26 05:48 PM
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https://nypost.com/2021/11/02/men-with-golden-penis-syndrome-ruining-romance-for-women/ I don't know what golden penis syndrome is, but I would be interested in catching that disease.
/r/PurplePillDebate29/01/26 04:43 PM
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The grievance being expressed in the post is something I hear from lots of women in my social set (which is basically all highly educated professionals). The reality is that there's a big gender skew in lots of professional fields, where you have way more high accomplishment women than men. It's awesome for me, a straight man, as it makes it comparatively easy to date, just as the post is describing. But it sucks if you're a woman. The post is wrong in attributing what is fundamentally a supply …
/r/PurplePillDebate29/01/26 04:39 PM
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men dont need therapy becouse woman fuck chad Men (and women) need therapy because occasionally going to a therapist is like going to a dentist or getting a physical once a year - it's a basic part of adult self maintenance. But "I've been really romantically successful and have been getting laid a lot recently" is probably not one of the things these men need to process in therapy.
/r/PurplePillDebate29/01/26 03:24 PM
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Feminist projection. Lol. It's not just feminists who expect you to learn how to emotionally self regulate. It's called being a normally functioning adult. Anyone whose advice to another group of people (women or anyone else) is "you should learn how to do my laundry for me" is an incompetent child.
/r/PurplePillDebate28/01/26 09:33 PM
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"My credit score has no effect on me, my credit score has no effect on me..."
/r/PurplePillDebate28/01/26 08:54 PM
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Cool story. I'm sure you'll be able to provide evidence for that claim. But until you do you'll understand when I don't take the claim seriously.
/r/PurplePillDebate28/01/26 08:52 PM
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Good post
/r/PurplePillDebate28/01/26 08:18 PM
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Just because you don't like it doesn't mean it was debunked.
/r/PurplePillDebate28/01/26 08:15 PM
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when women get cancer the chance that their husband abandons them goes up 6X See, I did a neat thing called "citing a source" where I provided a link to the actual study. That means you can actually pull the study and read it. Yet you still managed to invent a nonsense claim about the study out of thin air. In fact, the end points that were considered by the study were (1) divorce and (2) separation lasting longer than three months, as the study explicitly states: Both formal divorce and permane…
/r/PurplePillDebate28/01/26 08:14 PM
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Yeah. Also, any person who doesn't know how to walk without causing collisions with the other people should probably stay in their house. I don't think this is a gender issue as much as a basic social competence issue.
/r/PurplePillDebate28/01/26 06:42 PM
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I have lived my entire life in cities with crowded sidewalks without ever seeing a woman (or man) do this - even once. I think this is a myth. And if a person actually did it, I would say that it's a pretty clear sign of a personality disorder.
/r/PurplePillDebate28/01/26 06:36 PM
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plus, it's way easier for a guy to say he's horny than not okay Sad but true in many cases. It's sort of incredible how much some guys would benefit from a little bit of therapy.
/r/PurplePillDebate28/01/26 06:24 PM
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Companionship and a deep personal connection is the single most valuable thing you get out of being in a relationship. There are other benefits too, like sex or various utilitarian perks (someone to split chores with), but without the connection you don't really have a relationship.
/r/PurplePillDebate28/01/26 06:22 PM
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Going by basic biology, yes, people around 20 should be married and busy making kids. This is not "basic biology" or biology of any sort - it's just you being weird and projecting your personal preferences into nature. There are more than eight billion humans - the most we've ever had on Earth, and the population is still growing. There's no need for people to waste their 20s popping out kids in an already overcrowded planet.
/r/PurplePillDebate28/01/26 06:18 PM
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but blue pill says its all in my head, that pretty privilege is a made up term and only misogynist, who never heard of the concept of showers can be incels, and other just world nonsense. This is a stupid attempt at a straw man. There's not an official "blue pill" position on the benefits that come with being attractive. Almost everyone agrees that being attractive comes with a lot of benefits. There are also a lot of benefits that come from being healthy, being intelligent, having money, being …
/r/PurplePillDebate28/01/26 06:13 PM
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Women live life expecting men were born with a pre-installed social confidence while they can generate it anytime online This is literally backwards. More time online is inversely correlated with women's self esteem
/r/PurplePillDebate28/01/26 06:07 PM
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I think in some ways the internet is making people worse, not just revealing badness that was already or always there. People who get sucked into manosphere rabbit holes become worse people as a result. People who become part of the redpill become more callous and manipulative than they might otherwise be. Incels feed on each other's hate inside the dark corners of the internet where they congregate.
/r/PurplePillDebate28/01/26 05:55 PM
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We know that's empirically false because when women get cancer the chance that their husband abandons them goes up 6X. This is not true in reverse (i.e. men getting cancer doesn't increase the chance that a woman abandons them). If "wife goggles" were a thing, we would expect that marriages would be resilient to things like the woman getting sick. But in reality it works the opposite way.
/r/PurplePillDebate28/01/26 05:44 PM
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don’t correct him even when he takes the wrong turn I don't even understand this advice. I'm a man and if I made a wrong turn and my GF realized, I would be way more annoyed if she let us waste a bunch of time driving down the wrong road than I ever would be by her pointing out the wrong turn (which wouldn't even annoy me). Where people finding men who are so insecure that they would rather drive the wrong direction than have their SO point it out?
/r/PurplePillDebate28/01/26 05:40 PM
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have someone maybe fall in love with me on the way Everything else you might be able to do without socializing, but this part involves interacting with another human who is going to have their own wants, desires, interests, etc. If you don't like people, don't like interacting with people, don't like talking to people, then what's possibly in a relationship for the other person? Why would they want to be in a relationship with someone who doesn't like other people, given that they are one of tho…
/r/PurplePillDebate28/01/26 05:34 PM
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You’re sure it’s not because feminist needed to paint a target on the back of a weaker to unload their scornful nature on? This is delusional and so disconnected from reality that it makes me worry about you. Before you make claims about how women are evil and scornful and prey on the weak, you should probably get to the point where you can talk to them in a normal social setting. Right now you're reaching a bunch of sweeping and incorrect conclusions about a group of people you've only watched …
/r/PurplePillDebate28/01/26 04:56 PM
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This is a dumb take. People are capable of giving useful advice on topics they know more about than the person they're giving advice to. Given that these guys are describing themselves as total social incompetents, anyone's advice for them is probably useful as long as that person is not themselves socially incompetent. It doesn't matter what their gender is - what matters is their level of social competence or ineptitude.
/r/PurplePillDebate28/01/26 04:49 PM
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Well, what do you want out of life? If you just want to hang out inside your room and be by yourself forever, you don't need to socialize at all. You can just be alone. But if you want to have other people in your life, have people care about you, etc., then learning how to interact with the other humans is a sina qua non.
/r/PurplePillDebate28/01/26 04:40 PM
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I'm weary of you making an overall claim of superiority regarding this. We really have no idea what sort of unforeseen consequences modern, godlike medical intervention has on our genome. It's too soon to tell whether or not this is a net positive. I'm giving you real life example of actual human progress - 45% of kids used to die before 5 and now they don't - and you're coming back with speculation about how maybe there's a downside to the kids not dying. It's sort of an absurd argument. If you…
/r/PurplePillDebate24/01/26 05:22 PM
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the first where most children saw all of their siblings become adults Technically not even true. It's estimated that 50-75% of conceptions end in miscarriage. The woman doesn't even realize that she flushed a zygote down into the underworld What you're pointing to is the reason we measure child mortality as the fraction of children born alive who reach an age threshold (either adulthood or 5 yo). In 1800 45% of children died before reaching the age of 5 where as by 2015 the global number was les…
/r/PurplePillDebate22/01/26 06:08 PM
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Nor have I read any piece of feminist theory, and I never will. Lol. Long way to write "chapter books are hard."
/r/PurplePillDebate22/01/26 06:29 AM
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What we see is societies temporarily becoming more pluralist and liberal, then snapping back into a rigid, fundamentalist state Except we don't see that all? This is incel wishcasting. Most of the world is becoming more liberal and pluralist, notwithstanding the US. We see this pattern because hierarchical societies are a reflection of nature. Regardless of whether or not you draw an imaginary line between civilization and nature, we are still apart of it. So the systems we design only really su…
/r/PurplePillDebate22/01/26 06:24 AM
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The last 50-100 years The last century [*] is: the first where most children saw all of their siblings become adults; the first where you didn't have to light shit on fire to see in the dark; the first where you didn't have to climb on an animal to go see your friend if your friend lived more than a few miles away. The past was a blasted hungerscape. The "only" thing going for it in incelogic is that maybe your parents would talk their neighbor into letting you rape her. [*] last century being a…
/r/PurplePillDebate22/01/26 06:08 AM
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Sure, oppress my rights by giving me a loving partner and family, go ahead. (1) You can't get somebody else to love you by taking away their rights. (2) When someone loves you you don't need to take away their rights. (3) When you love somebody else, you don't want to take away their rights.
/r/PurplePillDebate21/01/26 09:18 PM
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No, you just don't know anything about feminism beyond what you've heard on podcasts. The biggest problem being that there's not some single thing all feminists believe. "Feminism" is an intellectual tradition, like liberalism, not a single belief system or theory. If you want to get some idea of what feminists actually think, I'd recommend the Will to Change by Bell Hooks.
/r/PurplePillDebate21/01/26 09:16 PM
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This is literally what feminism has done in the opposite direction I have no idea what you're trying to refer to here. And statistically yes, only a small percentage of men actually do get married right now... around 30% The actual number is 70%, but even 30% would be too high for your hypergamy theory that women only want the very top men.
/r/PurplePillDebate21/01/26 09:13 PM
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Women (yes even feminist women) are hypergamous. How can they satiate their hypergamy, if men are making less money and are at lower college aceptance/graduation rates than themselves? Once again you, a man, are trying to make sweeping claims about what women want which don't match (a) what women say they want or (b) what women actually do in practice. Millions of men and women get married every year, which would be mathematically impossible if your hypergamy claims accurately described reality.…
/r/PurplePillDebate21/01/26 05:25 PM
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How can women be underfoot when men are the ones being oppressed? You tell me - you're the one claiming that women somehow love being underfoot. If your claim is right, where is the line of women looking for a foot to get under? It seems like you're just blatantly avoiding reality for the sake of the argument. Yes men who are systematically under represented, under educated, under employed will have a hard time putting women underfoot my dude I'm a man and I'm not any of those things. I'm very w…
/r/PurplePillDebate21/01/26 05:04 PM
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women like to be underfoot The chorus of men here crying about how they can't find a woman willing to fuck them really undercuts that narrative. If women really craved the feeling of a foot on their back, as you claim, there's no shortage of spare feet around. I will suggest to you that the best way to find out what women like is (a) to ask women and (b) observe their behavior. It turns out when you consider either of those things, there's not a lot of evidence for the claim that women love patr…
/r/PurplePillDebate21/01/26 04:50 PM
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Yes. Under patriarchy, men are taking care of women. Even if you want to say it skews in favor of men, under a matriarchy women absolutely do not provide for and protect men. Why can't people take care of themselves? You know, like adults do?
/r/PurplePillDebate21/01/26 04:40 PM
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There have always been and will always be different social expectations for the sexes This is poor reasoning. Historically there were significant differences between the way men and women were treated. Also historically, everyone was poor as shit, people were short and mentally retarded, life expectancies were brief, most kids died before adulthood, and you had to light things on fire to see in the dark. Thankfully we don't live in history. Thankfully the world we live in is one where people can…
/r/PurplePillDebate21/01/26 04:37 PM
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Patriarchy is specifically male domination, which is a spectrum that a society can either have more or less of at various points in time. It's not an all or nothing binary. We are a vastly less patriarchal society today than we were 150 years ago, but that doesn't mean there's no patriarchy that still exists today. For example, today in 2026 you can find people who think that only men should have the right to vote, that women shouldn't be allowed to divorce their husbands, etc.
/r/PurplePillDebate21/01/26 04:27 PM
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Before attempting to debate you should first master the ability to read.
/r/PurplePillDebate21/01/26 04:20 PM
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This is dumb. There are more than eight billion people on Earth. The human population is the largest it has ever been at any point in history and is projected to keep growing. There's no urgent social need for more babies - you're just trying to invent a narrative under which someone is obligated to fuck you.
/r/PurplePillDebate21/01/26 04:16 PM
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Constraint and personal sacrifice are a necessary aspect of any functional society. OK, if somebody's rights have to get taken away to make society function then I propose that it should be your rights.
/r/PurplePillDebate21/01/26 04:13 PM
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redefines conservatism This is dumb. To the extent conservatism has a traditional definition, it means something like an opposition to change in the style of Edmund Burke. But in practice that means that what counts as "conservative" varies over time, as the definition is relative to a status quo. Most of the modern patriarchy we see today (e.g. Andrew Tate) isn't about trying to preserve a status quo, but instead create a new (stupid) one in which men would get unearned status purely by virtue …
/r/PurplePillDebate21/01/26 04:10 PM
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Like societal puberty Doesn't using puberty as a metaphor sort of assume that there's eventually going to be a sort of social "adulthood"? If the last 100 years is any guide, I don't know that there's ever going to be such a stopping point. You just have change and more change, and the changes come faster and faster.
/r/PurplePillDebate21/01/26 04:03 PM
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And while women mostly didn't have any rights, most men also didn't have any rights. For every landed male aristocrat there were a heck of a lot of slaves/serfs/destitute commoners to serve as fodder for the social machine. This is a good point. When you read enough history you eventually realize that the past (like, everything before 1950) was a horrible shithole for almost every single human alive. Thank god the past is dead.
/r/PurplePillDebate21/01/26 04:00 PM
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that's what that next step entails. This isn't very good logic. Lots of people get married without a name change - if anything that's the norm - so marriage obviously doesn't "entail" a name change. Or at least that's not what "entail" means in English. A name change is an extra step on top of marriage.
/r/PurplePillDebate21/01/26 03:49 PM
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It perpetuates misandry, framing men as oppressors. This is like thinking that anti-racism is the same thing as anti-white people. Feminism is opposed to patriarchy, not men. Have you even ever read a feminist book? Or at you just reciting for us what you heard on some silly podcast? If you want to claim that feminism is anti-men, you should (1) be educated enough to realize that feminism is an intellectual tradition (like classical liberalism), not a singular ideology (so feminists don't all ag…
/r/PurplePillDebate09/01/26 07:26 PM
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Please explain how feminism is attacking men. The men who claim that feminism is attacking men generally can't identify any actual feminist author that they've ever read.
/r/PurplePillDebate09/01/26 06:26 PM
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Now, what if some of those men who answered that question happened to think about a revenge fantasy involving some woman that destroyed his life? Is that person actually a serious threat to women? Is it fair to lump him in with the men who actually would commit rape? What are you talking about? Both of the sets of men you're describing would "actually commit rape." In your example, all of the men being lumped into the category of "would-be rapist" are actually would-be rapists. The only thing yo…
/r/PurplePillDebate09/01/26 06:24 PM
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she's being supremely unreasonable This is a dumb take. First, people don't chose what they're attracted to, and the process of attraction isn't driven by reason. Attraction by its nature can't be either reasonable or unreasonable. Second, what do you want this woman to do - date someone she's not attracted to? Fake it? Settle? That's the same thing you guys bitch about women supposedly doing all the time, but in reality most people don't have any interest in doing that.
/r/PurplePillDebate09/01/26 06:01 PM
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I am responding to the given information No you're not. You modified the quote. You're doing the exact thing you're accusing Corbast7 of.
/r/PurplePillDebate09/01/26 05:56 PM
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You're misrepresenting what she said. This is the actual quote: She has gone to 9 different dating events in her city but did not find any man attending to be attractive She didn't say the men were unattractive - she said she didn't find them attractive. That's because attractiveness is subjective - like enjoying a kind of food or music. I might not find a movie that enjoyable to watch, but that's not the same thing as saying the movie sucks.
/r/PurplePillDebate09/01/26 05:55 PM
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Nothing - women make great friends in the same way men do.
/r/PurplePillDebate08/01/26 04:31 PM
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But the situation in the post Yes, the situation in the post is a fantasy.
/r/PurplePillDebate29/08/25 02:34 AM
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Sounds like a really credible source 🙄
/r/PurplePillDebate28/08/25 04:03 PM
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Some do. It just depends what a given person's love language is. For me that's unfortunate, as I always feel kind of awkward whenever people give me things.
/r/PurplePillDebate22/08/25 02:33 PM
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This is dumb. Men and women both have the exact same amount of control over whether a kid is created. Women just exercise their choice later in the process. But without a green light from both, you don't end up with a kid. If you don't want to have a kid, be responsible and use birth control. Get a vasectomy. Or wear a condom. Blaming your poor decision making on a woman is just limp wristed excuse making.
/r/PurplePillDebate22/08/25 12:42 AM
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That's a stupid, weak argument. Setting aside the 1.1% of rapes committed by women, every child is the product of a man making a choice as well. Women can't spontaneously conceive children.
/r/PurplePillDebate22/08/25 12:20 AM
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Not necessarily - the incarceration of people who would otherwise be committing crimes can be what produces the dropping crime rate. Crimes aren't evenly spread across the population. A small fraction of society commits a hugely disproportionate amount of crime - for example, about 1% of the population accounts for 2/3rds of violent crime. Incarcerating those individuals long term increases incarceration rates but can reduce the total amount of crime.
/r/PurplePillDebate21/08/25 09:25 PM
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If people didn't choose to commit crimes, our jail population would be really, really tiny. Your point is that just because we have crime doesn't mean we have to incarcerate people the way we do. But that doesn't change that we couldn't have mass incarceration without crime. Crime is a necessary, even if not sufficient, condition for our levels of incarceration. And that crime is a personal choice.
/r/PurplePillDebate21/08/25 09:16 PM
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alL Of the eViDeNCE tHAt cONtRADICTS mE Is iRrELEVANt 🤡
/r/PurplePillDebate21/08/25 09:13 PM
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simply look at sentencing disparities Sentencing disparities don't tell us who commits crimes more often. And if, regardless of country or context, the overwhelming majority of people convicted of murder are men (which is in fact the case), then there's not a strong case that men are only convicted more because of social bias. They're actually murdering more.
/r/PurplePillDebate21/08/25 08:55 PM
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So what if women have some control? The amount of control they have pales in comparison to the father's choice to either be present or not in the kid's life. Whether the parents are together has a much smaller impact than whether the father is supporting his kids and playing an active role in their lives. And the person who has control over the father's actions is the father.
/r/PurplePillDebate21/08/25 08:51 PM
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Not to mention the fact that women hire the government does a hitman to murder their own children in the womb. This is substantively and linguistically incoherent.
/r/PurplePillDebate21/08/25 08:46 PM
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Mass incarceration is a policy choice We wouldn't have mass incarceration without a whole bunch of personal choices to commit crimes.
/r/PurplePillDebate21/08/25 08:38 PM
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No, it's the exact opposite - some men are good, and it makes a huge difference that they are. Regardless of whether the parents' relationship works out, children whose fathers remain present and continue to support their children end up way better off than children whose fathers are deadbeats. Fathers who support their kids are really important. Deadbeat dads by contrast do a ton of damage.
/r/PurplePillDebate21/08/25 05:17 PM
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skewed by structural misandry in the justice system One way we could look for differences caused by social bias is to look at other societies. Do you have an example of a society where men don't commit the overwhelming majority of violent crime?
/r/PurplePillDebate21/08/25 05:08 PM
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The causal arrow on this is hard to tease apart. Single mother households are more likely to be poor, but that's also because poor people are more likely to become single mothers. Interestingly, enforcing child support makes a huge difference here. Children whose fathers had higher compliance with child support orders had average adult incomes $8,500/year greater than the comparison group. (pg. 33). So a big part of this is less "do you have a single mother" and more "do you have a deadbeat fath…
/r/PurplePillDebate21/08/25 05:06 PM
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btw do you know the consequences of paternity fraud We can actually estimate this as being very low. Paternity tests are widely available and cost very little - about $100. That means "paternity fraud" 🙄 is extraordinarily easy to prevent - you just go get a test, you don't need anyone's permission, you don't have to tell anyone that you did it, the only cost is the cost of the test and a few minutes to drive down to CVS and put the test in the mail. When a social loss is easily prevented, we ca…
/r/PurplePillDebate21/08/25 04:57 PM
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One glaring problem with your argument is that you're only looking at the federal budget, while the overwhelming majority of prison and police spending is at the state and local level. Another glaring problem is that the cost to society of crime isn't just the cost of housing prisoners. It's also the loss society incurs as a result of the crimes and in preventing crimes. For example, a murderer imposes on society not only the cost of imprisoning the murderer, but also the cost of the police, the…
/r/PurplePillDebate21/08/25 03:56 PM
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99% of rapes and 90% of murders are committed by men. I think it would be a bad idea for police to focus on the 1% of rape or 10% of homicide committed by women just to create a gender balance.
/r/PurplePillDebate21/08/25 03:36 PM
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Men also commit the overwhelming majority of violent crime, so even if police stopped enforcing laws against non-violent crime altogether you would still have an enormous gender skew. In fact, the gender difference would grow because men commit a greater fraction of violent crime than crime generally. For example, men commit 99% of rapes and 90% of homicides, but only 51% of embezzlements and 58% of theft. Shifting away from prosecuting non-violent crime would therefore increase the proportion o…
/r/PurplePillDebate21/08/25 03:33 PM
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You shouldn't treat anybody poorly. Thinking that you can be shitty to someone because they're "below" you is gross.
/r/PurplePillDebate26/07/25 01:53 PM
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It's not just that they're incapable of recognizing bad men - the dudes in the manosphere/redpill spaces are the bad men. Or, to be a little more precise, they're a subset of the bad men.
/r/PurplePillDebate26/07/25 01:50 PM
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Chopin wasn't a loser with women - he had multiple women in his life. Read his wikipedia page. He both accomplished more and was more successful with women. That's why you're trying to shift the goal posts to the middle school standard of "could he beat me in a fight."
/r/PurplePillDebate21/07/25 07:18 PM
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Lol, no. Chopin actually accomplished things with his life. That's why we know who he is 175 years after he died. You're just some dude on the internet. If you had actual accomplishments and had done something with your life, you wouldn't need to be trying to give your life value by fantasizing about how you would fare in a hypothetical fight. The very fact that you're relying on this fantasy to build up your self esteem is a reflection of the fact that you haven't actually accomplished anything…
/r/PurplePillDebate21/07/25 03:33 PM
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Dude, I guarantee that if we asked 1,000 people who was more of a loser - you or Chopin - and we told those people what you and he had accomplished with your lives, you would be the bigger loser 1,000 times.
/r/PurplePillDebate21/07/25 02:07 PM
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Are you in middle school? Fighting people gets you sent to jail. In the part of the country I live in, where tons of people have guns, it's a great way to risk getting killed. I've only ever known one guy who thought like the person you're describing, and he was an alcoholic who used to end up in lots of bar fights. And despite being big and spending a lot of time practicing martial arts, he got his ass kicked more often than anyone I know because when he'd pick a fight all the friends of the pe…
/r/PurplePillDebate21/07/25 12:12 PM
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This is absolutely not how most guys think. To be honest, your fiance sounds like he's either mentally ill or came out of some really abusive home or something. Maybe both.
/r/PurplePillDebate21/07/25 04:15 AM
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The ancients didn't understand anything. They were just a bunch of dumb, stupid peasants who lived short, pointless lives. Unsurprisingly, given that they were a bunch of dumb animals, they also thought stupid things about women. Aristotle literally thought that the uterus would just get up and roam around the body, causing a condition called hysteria. https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Hysteria Saying that people living in the age of retards believed a proposition is, if anything, a pretty good re…
/r/PurplePillDebate29/05/25 03:22 AM
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People in the 1850s and before were a bunch of dumb animals. Look up the Flynn effect - people back then were stunted not only in terms of their intellect but also their height. https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Flynn_effect Plus, they were profoundly shitty human beings. Most Americans in 1850 were quite accepting of slavery and the ethnic cleansing of native Americans. The only thing they were good at was having their kids die from exotic sounding, Oregon trail diseases like dysentery. And putti…
/r/PurplePillDebate29/05/25 03:15 AM
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"I was unsuccessful on the apps so nobody else should be allowed to use them either."
/r/PurplePillDebate13/05/25 06:26 PM
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There are plenty of guys who are emotionally unavailable even though they only have one girl they're seeing. Heck, there are plenty of guys who are seeing zero girls and are still emotionally unavailable.
/r/PurplePillDebate13/05/25 06:24 PM
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Sure, in a context where it's appropriate to express sexual interest. Like one of the many places in our society where people congregate to express sexual interest in each other. Dating apps, singles events, etc. But you can also be creepy by expressing sexual interest in a context where it's not appropriate. Like hitting on someone who doesn't want to be hit on when they haven't done anything to invite sexual advances. That's creepy and not OK.
/r/PurplePillDebate13/05/25 03:02 AM
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I have gay friends and they know I'm not gay and not interested in having sex with them. If, despite knowing that, they hit on me anyways it would be sexual harassment, not OK, and it would make things awkward as fuck. It would potentially end our friendship. That's basically what you did to your friend.
/r/PurplePillDebate13/05/25 02:22 AM
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Hitting on someone who doesn't want to be hit on is just sexual harassment. You can make all the excuses you want for it, but your OP post is just "how I sexually harassed my friends and made them uncomfortable." If you don't like dating apps, there are plenty of other places where people who want to be hit on congregate. Singles events, for example. There's not a justification for sexually harassing people who don't want that from you. It's not your friends' job to fuck you because you can't fi…
/r/PurplePillDebate12/05/25 08:47 PM
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Your OP post makes it sound like your friends did not want you to hit on them. That you made them uncomfortable by doing so. I think it's probably better to figure out how to use a dating app successfully (where you're interacting with people who want to be hit on) than to sexually harass your friends when they don't want you to. You're doing the creepy thing where a guy pretends to be friends with a girl but really he's just trying to sleep with them. If you can't figure out how to get girls wh…
/r/PurplePillDebate12/05/25 07:51 PM
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The only way to escape this quagmire was by shamelessly hitting on women and their friends. Why are you trying to hit on your friends instead of just getting on a dating app?
/r/PurplePillDebate12/05/25 07:27 PM
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are you going to disagree with the generalisation that men are much hornier than women Yes, in fact, I am. Your assumption that men experience more sexual desire is just a social stereotype which you've internalized and not taken the time to examine. Not all societies have assumed that men were the hornier sex. For example, in Elizabethan England: Many people believed that all women were tainted by Eve’s original sin, as told in the biblical book of Genesis. As a result of this sin, women were b…
/r/PurplePillDebate12/05/25 03:25 PM
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As I think you're pointing out, it's an incoherent concept. Gendered norms and expectations are generally pretty silly.
/r/PurplePillDebate12/05/25 12:44 PM
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If you're gonna rely on statistics then give me the actual statistics. Don't just tell me that somewhere out there there's a statistic that justifies taking women's rights away "for their own benefit."
/r/PurplePillDebate12/05/25 12:41 PM
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The ones with great personalities are the minority. How have you calculated this and what's your evidence for it? There are billions of women on earth and more than a hundred million just in the US. I doubt very seriously that you spend enough time with women to actually compute what fraction of them have bad personalities.
/r/PurplePillDebate12/05/25 12:33 PM
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Most There are 8.2 billion people which (with lazy math) gives us about 4.1 billion women. How many women do you personally know? Like, at a level where you talk to them on a regular enough basis to actually assess their personality?
/r/PurplePillDebate12/05/25 12:29 PM
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alot of these women's personalities are so off putting that their physical appearance doesn't make up for their personality and behaviour. OK, so don't date those women. There are plenty of women with great personalities. Date one of them.
/r/PurplePillDebate12/05/25 12:14 PM
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Bro. You're proposing going to a homeless shelter to find these women. This is you: Step two: Find a homeless sheler in south america. If you're picking up women out of a South American homeless shelter, you are proposing a relationship based on economic necessity.
/r/PurplePillDebate12/05/25 03:32 AM
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"Women should have fewer human rights so that they will fuck lonely men" is not a compromise. That's just rape with more steps.
/r/PurplePillDebate12/05/25 03:13 AM
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If you're not getting any matches then you're probably doing something wrong. The solution is to step back and reevaluate your profile and profile pics. Swiping everyone is very much like someone pushing a button on their computer over and over because it's running slow. Not only is it not fixing the actual problem, but it's probably making something worse.
/r/PurplePillDebate12/05/25 03:04 AM
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The point of a (normal) date is to facilitate a relationship based on mutual attraction. But what you're explicitly proposing is a relationship based on economic necessity. That's why the woman is with you, by your own telling. You might go on something you call a "date" but it's only a date in the same way someone might call an escort their "date."
/r/PurplePillDebate12/05/25 03:01 AM
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That's OK. I'm happy to play the same game. Courts are fair. It is a proven fact.
/r/PurplePillDebate12/05/25 03:00 AM
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Nobody needs to straw-man you guys. Your arguments sound insane even with your chosen phrasing.
/r/PurplePillDebate12/05/25 02:55 AM
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When you say “hey men, it’s up to you to solve it” you don’t get to police how they do it Yes, you do. If I tell someone "you need to save more for retirement" I am not thereby giving them permission to steal my wallet to put into their retirement account. If you're such a low quality dude that no woman wants you, what makes you think society would want to help you reproduce or influence a child?
/r/PurplePillDebate12/05/25 02:53 AM
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The courts are unfair, it is a proven fact. OK, prove it.
/r/PurplePillDebate12/05/25 02:50 AM
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OK, so the government puts people in jail for one stupid reason and your solution is to add another stupid reason to put people in jail?
/r/PurplePillDebate12/05/25 02:49 AM
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Remove no fault divorces Bro... this has some real "the government should force women to fuck me because no woman will voluntarily" energy. The rest of us aren't willing to live in Gilead so you can get laid.
/r/PurplePillDebate12/05/25 02:48 AM
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Anglosphere men have been indoctrinated since birth to believe that women are superior to them. What ridiculous nonsense. I have never met a single man who has ever thought that. Not even one. Ever. You are living in a conspiracy theory with about as much factual support as the flat earth theory.
/r/PurplePillDebate12/05/25 02:44 AM
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the erosion of the nuclear family The "nuclear family" is something that only was the norm in some societies during some periods of time. It's not some sort of inherent default. men in other parts of the world... What other parts of the world, specifically? Afghanistan? Saudi Arabia? It's sort of pathetic to cry about women having freedom and to blame that for your lack of success in dating. It's quite possible to date successfully as a guy in the US, but crying about how "if only I had been bor…
/r/PurplePillDebate12/05/25 02:41 AM
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first date Why bother with a date if you're just paying someone to like you?
/r/PurplePillDebate12/05/25 02:29 AM
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Indiscriminate swiping is the best solution to the problem of men getting no matches on the apps. No, it's not. That just signals to the app that you're unattractive because most of the people you like don't like you back. The result is that the app doesn't show you to people and you end up in the pit. By contrast, if you're targeted in who you swipe on then your swipe-back percentage is higher and the app thinks you're attractive. Swiping everyone is a self-defeating approach. You're basically …
/r/PurplePillDebate12/05/25 02:23 AM
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Maybe 50% of right swipes is reasonable Even that's a lot if you think about it.
/r/PurplePillDebate12/05/25 02:20 AM
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On the flipside the ladies get to do the same about ressources/status. First, there is a term of derision - "gold digger" - specifically for women who care about resources. There's no equivalent term for men who care about looks. The evidence doesn't support your claim that there's a double standard that's unfair to men here. Second, in the modern context women don't need resources from men the way they did historically. And a lot of y'all don't have resouces anyways. Are we debating a hypotheti…
/r/PurplePillDebate06/05/25 02:12 PM
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red pill is literally self improvement OK, so where's the evidence that the red pill has made men on average better off? I don't mean anecdotes - where are the statistical studies? I provided a statistical study in my OP which showed that engaging in RP content makes men mentally unstable.
/r/PurplePillDebate22/04/25 11:16 PM
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Sovereign citizens think they're engaged in self improvement too
/r/PurplePillDebate22/04/25 11:02 PM
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This is based on evolutionary psychology. Granted, it is true that no study has affirmed that it is a universally applicable principle; rather, they have only stated that there is reason to believe that at least some women do have this tendency. I agree that a lot of redpill material is based on (badly reasoned) evolutionary psychology but there are two premises that the redpill needs to make that logic work: That hypergamy is actually evolutionarily selected for; and That the actual, complex hu…
/r/PurplePillDebate22/04/25 10:06 PM
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You've never seen a "RP person" in real life either I definitely have, though only a few. I'm not sure what you think the relevance of that is, however. Feminism utilizes the concepts of patriarchy theory and implicit bias in men to claim that we are actually living in a man-dominated world. Women without feminism have just not been woken up to this knowledge yet I guess? ... Feminism employs heavy usage of jargon: patriarchy, privilege, implicit/unconscious bias, toxic masculinity, insecurity, …
/r/PurplePillDebate22/04/25 09:44 PM
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😂 Best comment.
/r/PurplePillDebate22/04/25 09:24 PM
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Why would I want there to be financial benefits to marriage? I would only marry someone for emotional reasons - i.e. if I love them and see a future with them enough to get married. If anything, introducing financial benefits just obscures the emotional assessment that needs to be made to judge whether marriage is a good idea.
/r/PurplePillDebate22/04/25 09:20 PM
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Because it implies that you need to be paid to marry her, rather than wanting to marry her because she's worth marrying on her own. A dowry is a sort of quid-pro-quo - a payment for marrying the woman. It's not just a wedding gift to the couple from the bride's family, which I obviously don't have any objection to.
/r/PurplePillDebate22/04/25 09:16 PM
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isnt really on the same level as satisfying a base evolutionary need by having a mate, and the later is much more jumbled and confusing for men I think this is part of why people fall for manosphere conspiracy theories in the first place. A conspiracy theory offers a simplistic story, often to explain a complex part of the world that's hard to understand on its own. That's a major part of the conspiracy theory's allure - that people can understand stories like "evil jewish bankers crashed the ec…
/r/PurplePillDebate22/04/25 06:13 PM
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Lol, thanks for the advice /u/kratomphysician - I make plenty of money and so do the girls I tend to date. They don't need my money and I don't need theirs. I haven't tried divorcing one yet, but I can tell you that the law of the state I live in wouldn't favor them over me if I did.
/r/PurplePillDebate22/04/25 05:43 PM
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sovereign citizens are blatantly just trying to misinterpret pretty clearly defined laws or make new ones up While what they're saying is crazy, in my experience most of the sovereign citizens seem to actually believe what they're saying. They're sincerely deluded, not strategically bullshitting. dating has no defined laws around it nd is currently a jumbled social minefield for men unless they are rich, particularily attractive or incredibly socially adept I agree that there aren't any dating "…
/r/PurplePillDebate22/04/25 05:40 PM
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numbers don't lie You haven't given any numbers.
/r/PurplePillDebate22/04/25 05:34 PM
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It would make me not want to get married because the idea of a dowry is gross. Why on Earth would you want a marriage you have to be paid to enter into? If I like a girl enough to be married to her, I'll happily do it for free and a dowry would just be an insult to her value. It would imply that she's some kind of burden in the relationship, when anyone worth marrying is the opposite.
/r/PurplePillDebate22/04/25 03:37 PM
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Because this isn’t just disinterest. It’s not polite avoidance. It’s contempt.Sometimes, it borders on disgust.There’s a seething hatred under the surface that you can feel even when no one says it directly. let’s be honest the resentment (especially online) isn’t just mild discomfort. For some men, it’s a quiet, seething kind of hatred. Cold. Dismissive. Almost visceral. That quiet disgust men feel around single mothers often has that unmistakable edge of personal betrayal. Like it’s not just d…
/r/PurplePillDebate22/04/25 03:32 PM
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If it's an intellectual tradition that covers a wide swath of ideas, then it can be criticized from a wide swath of perspectives as well. Any criticism of a professed feminism is valid You're right that because feminism encompasses a large number of ideas, there can be a large number of critiques corresponding to specific forms of feminism. But the second part of your statement - that any criticism is therefore valid - is bad logic. For example, there are marxist feminists and you can have a pro…
/r/PurplePillDebate21/04/25 05:19 PM
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Bro, your only "source" is /r/everydaymisandry 🤡
/r/PurplePillDebate21/04/25 05:03 PM
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False. It’s a process used to seize and control institutions. Lol. You have no idea what you're talking about and I'm not about to take your ranting in lieu of an actual authority. You're just making shit up. Find a source if you want to argue. I cited lots of them. Right now all you've provided is the ranting of one really angry incel.
/r/PurplePillDebate21/04/25 01:57 PM
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This is such an idiotic point to make. A significant percentage of those zygotes would've failed to implant. The mother isn't even aware they existed. How are we supposed to grieve over a human we didn't know existed? We do know they existed. I just cited you scientific articles showing that we know. The point is, we know those fetuses died and we don't care. It's not because we don't know, it's because we don't care. Because they're not people. Also, as to your point about implantation, a huge …
/r/PurplePillDebate21/04/25 07:25 AM
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The VAST majority of fatal complications either occur during or after birth So what? The vast majority of people aren't the person you're responding to with her specific health issues. You have no idea what the fuck you're talking about. You're just making up shit without (a) any sources, (b) any medical qualifications, and (c) even the slightest amount of good sense or logic. murder the fetus You can't murder a fetus because it's not a person. To be clear, you don't actually think it's a person…
/r/PurplePillDebate21/04/25 05:41 AM
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Being a virgin is one of those things that seems like a really big deal until you're not anymore.
/r/PurplePillDebate21/04/25 03:06 AM
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Great post
/r/PurplePillDebate21/04/25 12:54 AM
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The poster doesn't have a good understanding of what feminism is. Feminism is an intellectual tradition, not a single point of view or thesis. In that respect it's like liberalism or pragmatism. The significance of that is that there isn't a single point of view or policy position which represents feminism - different feminists disagree with each other. So for example, when the poster says: You can't be demanding equality while emphasizing difference What feminists, specifically, are they talkin…
/r/PurplePillDebate21/04/25 12:34 AM
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-> Guy meets a woman, is attracted, is clear about his intentions, he asks her out, she says "I only want to be friend", the guy is friendzoned. (In this case, most of the time, she is just leading him in to get services/attention and she gets "the good role", if the man refuses, he will be the "bad guy", who rejected her "kind" offer.) First, nobody thinks a guy is the bad guy in this context. Second, the guy wasn't "friendzoned" - someone offered to be his friend but not date him, he didn't wa…
/r/PurplePillDebate20/04/25 11:37 PM
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Yes, I’m certain antidepressants will cure my autism, my baldness, my painfully dwarfish height of 5’9. This is a really good example of what I'm talking about. You have the exact average height of a man in the US. As a matter of objective fact, there's nothing dwarfish about that at all. As a matter of objective fact, there is nothing about that height which precludes you from dating women. Depression takes a completely ordinary, neutral fact and puts a negative spin on it. It takes relatively …
/r/PurplePillDebate20/04/25 10:42 PM
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It's not concern trolling. I've also had depression so I recognize it. It takes a little while to find an antidepressant that works, but life is soooooo much better once you do. Go see your GP.
/r/PurplePillDebate20/04/25 08:11 PM
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anything positive posted here is strictly for virtue signaling Dude, you're living life with the opposite of rose colored glasses. You're not viewing the world accurately, you're looking through a distorted lens that just makes the world look shitty. You don't have to live like that. It's unhealthy. You should get checked for depression, as it can cause that distorted worldview.
/r/PurplePillDebate20/04/25 07:22 PM
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The way this is written, I am not at all surprised that your wife does not want to fuck you. Just get a divorce man.
/r/PurplePillDebate16/04/25 06:21 PM
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men are most attracted to 18yrs old's That's not correct. Lots of men (including me) are attracted to women their own age.
/r/PurplePillDebate16/04/25 04:50 PM
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First, it's not surprising at all that lots of newspapers around the world would report on the same events at the same time. That's how news works. And second, they don't use the same verbiage. You obviously don't read many newspapers if you think they do. This is crazypants level conspiracy thinking.
/r/PurplePillDebate15/04/25 09:14 PM
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Yes, tell me more about how all of the news outlets around the globe are the ones spouting propaganda. You're the only one with access to the real truth. Only you can see through the bullshit. Everyone else is a sheeple. Everything that disagrees with Trump-the-glorious-leader is a lie. It's ironic that you bemoan marxism so much when you would have comfortably fit into Soviet society at the height of the great purge (or North Korean society today).
/r/PurplePillDebate15/04/25 08:20 PM
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they don't want the liability And also because it's toxic to advertising dollars. These guys are conflating being unpopular with having their speech silenced.
/r/PurplePillDebate15/04/25 08:12 PM
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OK, so on the one side we have the far right government kidnapping people who published editorials in student newspapers that the government didn't like. And on the other side you have hecklers and also someone pulled a fire alarm. And you want us to conclude that it's the feminists who are the threat to free speech? Come on now.
/r/PurplePillDebate15/04/25 08:09 PM
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Because people (you) are trying to claim that women are the threat to free speech when, in reality, it's a bunch of conservative men kidnapping people into vans for saying the wrong thing.
/r/PurplePillDebate15/04/25 08:04 PM
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Oh yay - it's the "I'm not crazy, you're crazy" gaslighting game. I'll play. One of the ways I can tell that I'm talking about reality is that there are all sorts of reliable, third party news outlets from around the globe agreeing with me. For example: (1) video of kidnapping people off the street for what they say; (2) "Free speech advocates say student arrests should worry all"; (3) sending people with no criminal record to El Salvador. By contrast, you're just claiming things are "the opposi…
/r/PurplePillDebate15/04/25 07:41 PM
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The neat thing is that there are surveys on this topic and we can look at those. It turns out that men and women give different reasons for not attending college. And the two most gender-divergent explanations (i.e. the ones given more by men than women) are: Just didn't want to Didn't need more education for the job/career you wanted. By contrast, women who didn't attend college were comparatively more likely to say that they couldn't afford it or that they needed to work to support their famil…
/r/PurplePillDebate15/04/25 07:07 PM
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Probably a dozen, via the apps. All but one said yes. I'm pretty choosy in that I only ask out girls I think I'll be compatible with.
/r/PurplePillDebate15/04/25 06:48 PM
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This is some next level projection. You should find a fiction-focused subreddit if you just want to make up crazy shit in your head.
/r/PurplePillDebate15/04/25 06:41 PM
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They absolutely are. For example, this girl who slowly died as she begged doctors - who were afraid to treat her because of legal consequences - for help. Candace Fails screamed for someone in the Texas hospital to help her pregnant daughter. “Do something,” she pleaded, on the morning of Oct. 29, 2023. Nevaeh Crain was crying in pain, too weak to walk, blood staining her thighs. Feverish and vomiting the day of her baby shower, the 18-year-old had gone to two different emergency rooms within 12…
/r/PurplePillDebate15/04/25 06:34 PM
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Someone criticizing your speech is not an assault on free speech.
/r/PurplePillDebate15/04/25 06:24 PM
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Except that right wingers are actually using the power of government to kidnap people off the street, disappear people to El Salvador, target law firms, punish journalists, attack universities, etc. And feminists aren't doing any of that. They're just being accused by you of somehow being the same.
/r/PurplePillDebate15/04/25 06:23 PM
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That level of slovenliness is definitely a negative, but people are a whole package of good things and bad things. If she also had an amazing personality, or shared my interests, was caring and kind, etc., then I still might date her. It would depend how the whole package balances out. You can always pay for a cleaning service if the relationship works out and you end up living together.
/r/PurplePillDebate15/04/25 06:15 PM
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Law doesn’t usually work on intent. Here's how we know that you have no idea what you're talking about and also that you didn't actually read the letter. Intent plays a major role in law. There's even a special legal term for it - mens rea. And here the letter specifically states that a mens rea is required - the person violating the law has to act either "intentionally or recklessly." "Intentionally" has an obvious enough meaning. "Reckless" has the following meaning under Scots law: The mens r…
/r/PurplePillDebate15/04/25 04:52 PM
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When feminists start kidnapping misogynists off the street and sending them to an El Salvador gulag, you'll have a point about feminists "shutting down" criticisms of feminism. But right now, the factual support for "feminists don't like free speech" seems to be little more than "feminists say mean things to me and I don't like it" or "girls won't sleep with me after they see my red hat."
/r/PurplePillDebate15/04/25 04:39 PM
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terminally online redpill shit warrants criticism instead of an op-ed in a major reporting brand Next time someone makes a thread attacking some seven year old, 2018 redpill comment feel free to call it out as rage bait. But you can't because no one does that. why even come into this subreddit at all Because outside this thread we mostly don't talk about things from 2018.
/r/PurplePillDebate15/04/25 04:48 AM
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Why should conservatives care about how you feel then? Lol. When have the "fuck your feelings" people ever cared how anyone else feels?
/r/PurplePillDebate14/04/25 08:46 PM
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Also, the current president raped a woman but America still elected him anyways. Hard to get much more mainstream than that.
/r/PurplePillDebate14/04/25 08:31 PM
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In before they play the “It’s just rage bait!” card. This actually is rage bait. OP's article is seven years old (from 2018). OP obscured that fact by not linking to the actual article, but here it is. Why are we talking about some random op-ed piece from 2018? Because that's how far OP had to reach back to find something we could get mad about in 2025.
/r/PurplePillDebate14/04/25 08:29 PM
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Is there a source on this? I can't find anything about what you're talking about on Google.
/r/PurplePillDebate14/04/25 08:17 PM
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Men are only the sole or primary breadwinner in about 55% of opposite sex marriages today. In 16% women make more and in 29% the partners make about the same. That's compared to men being the sole or primary breadwinner in 85% of marriages in the 1970s. It's not that hard to project out the trendline to the point where men aren't disproportionately breadwinners. There's no inherent or logical connection between having a dick and making more money. Our expectation that men will be the breadwinner…
/r/PurplePillDebate14/04/25 03:42 PM
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It depends which characteristic she's fetishizing. If it's like skin color or something similar, obviously that's gross. But if she's got a fetish for guys who have lego collections, I'm all about it.
/r/PurplePillDebate04/04/25 05:35 AM
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Almost all my pictures are of me doing things outdoors - e.g. backpacking, camping, etc. I would say that it's very traditionally masculine in that regard. I personally am not looking for hook ups because I've found them unsatisfying compared to sex in a relationship. But my profile just indicates that I'm looking for a relationship - it doesn't say "no hookups" or anything.
/r/PurplePillDebate26/03/25 07:42 PM
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This is feminist nonsense. You're telling on yourself. Nothing I said about abusers or victims of abuse was specific to any gender. I didn't say or imply that abusers are one gender or another - in fact, I critiqued the traditional stereotype as a "naive view" of abuse. Most abuse is reciprocal. ie most women claiming they've been abused are also abusers themselves. There are very few angels in the world. Relationships become "toxic" and, usually, both parties do abusive things. You're just maki…
/r/PurplePillDebate26/03/25 04:16 PM
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This post just radiates anger towards women the way a hot stove radiates heat. You're making a bunch of super broad, ridiculous claims about women without any supporting evidence. You've written an angry screed, not an argument.
/r/PurplePillDebate25/03/25 06:45 PM
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Charisma and confidence. To the extent that it matters, it's also genetic. Personality features are just a byproduct of neurobiology. That's a very clear example of a learned social skill. Some genetic influence may make it an easier skill to learn for some people vs. others, but it's still something you have to learn.
/r/PurplePillDebate25/03/25 06:33 PM
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Life is not Skyrim where you can talk to random strange while a bar is improving your skills until you get more hability. You actually do improve like this, however. Having conversations with strangers makes you a better conversationalist. Obviously you don't "level up" in a numerical sense, but you definitely improve. Also, read How to Win Friends and Influence People. It's basically a skill book.
/r/PurplePillDebate25/03/25 06:31 PM
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a lack of curiosity isn’t appealing to me at all There are an infinite number of skills and interests to pursue but people have finite time to pursue them. So we all make choices about what we're interested in. Attributing a lack of interest in cooking to a lack of curiosity isn't a smart take. The person could have invested their time in poetry, or music, or history, or computers, or a million other things. Just because it's not the thing you find interesting doesn't mean that the person is oth…
/r/PurplePillDebate25/03/25 04:45 PM
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This is an uninformed take. Abuse is a form of interpersonal manipulation - it's a way in which abusers try to acquire power and control. There's this naive view of abuse where the abuser is just some dumb guy who can't control his emotions, but the reality is that abusers are more often very skilled manipulators. That's why the cycle of abuse isn't just the abuser being constantly violent the entire time - it's a blend of manipulative strategies that often involves love bombing in greater measu…
/r/PurplePillDebate25/03/25 04:28 PM
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doesn’t know how to feed himself Not knowing how to cook isn't the same as not "knowing how to feed yourself." You can also make enough money to pay someone who's better at cooking to cook for you. It's the 2020's. We have uber eats. Everyone who's not a hunter gatherer or a subsistence farmer outsources some part of the process of securing what they eat. You're just being judgy about people who outsource different parts of the process than you do. It's like a guy judging a girl for not being ab…
/r/PurplePillDebate25/03/25 04:12 PM
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There's a huge difference between "I don't want to have sex until we've had several dates" and "I don't want to have sex until marriage." In part the difference is because sex without an emotional connection doesn't tell you very much about how sex with an emotional connection will be. Sex after a first date is just often going to be kind of bad, awkward sex - at least for a lot of people. So it makes sense to wait for a couple of dates. The same reasoning doesn't apply to marriage, since you al…
/r/PurplePillDebate25/03/25 02:50 PM
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Lol. Sorry bro, but having sex doesn't make you some kind of mind reader. I've also had sex with a lot of women and haven't gained any mind reading powers from it. I still rely on what they say to figure out what they want.
/r/PurplePillDebate25/03/25 05:43 AM
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Well I'd sure love to hear the credentials which position you to say what they "really" want better than they can.
/r/PurplePillDebate25/03/25 05:18 AM
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Marx said very little about what he thought a post-revolution society would look like. He thought the collapse of capitalism was inevitable because all the workers would be pushed into unemployment by improving technology and starve, but he didn't spend any time meaningfully describing a post-capitalist society. He also died in 1883, which was before any of the modern concerns about school shootings, etc. which came as the result of improvements in firearm technology.
/r/PurplePillDebate25/03/25 05:16 AM
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That's not true at all. My dating profile on Bumble says I'm liberal and conservative women hit me up all the time. I won't date them because Trump voters are ick, but they certainly seem OK with dating me.
/r/PurplePillDebate25/03/25 05:11 AM
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Explanations on the basis of status can have a certain circularity to them, because attracting women is both one of the ways status is measured and also, here, the explanation for why someone attracts women. Why does this guy attract women? Because he has high status. Why does he have high status? Because he attracts women. I think your "broke junkie guitar player" example highlights this. Other than getting laid often, what is there to suggest that the broke junkie guitar player is a high statu…
/r/PurplePillDebate24/03/25 09:35 PM
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I find that women say they want a man that believes what they believe, but they’re just naturally more attracted to the right-leaning man. That doesn't really match the data. A majority -- 77% -- of women say they wouldn't date a Trump supporter in one survey. In another 73% of women with college degrees or higher said they wouldn't want to date a Trump supporter. Interestingly, the same wasn't true for women with only high school educations or less. So it could be that uneducated women find bei…
/r/PurplePillDebate24/03/25 09:17 PM
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That's probably not what your partner needs to be satisfied, though. Many women don't finish or have a hard time finishing from PIV anyways. That said, there are a lot of ways to have bad sexual chemistry that go beyond dick size. And some of those can't be easily changed.
/r/PurplePillDebate24/03/25 09:02 PM
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I remember a story here on reddit where a guy insisted on waiting until marriage and then revealed on the wedding night that he had a micro penis. His wife (the one telling the story) was seeking advice about an annulment. https://np.reddit.com/r/BestofRedditorUpdates/comments/qvuyfn/husband_hides_micropenis_from_his_wife_until/?rdt=35623 Which isn't to imply the guys with small dicks are unloveable or something. The point is that guys who hide it until the wedding night pretty much destroy thei…
/r/PurplePillDebate24/03/25 08:57 PM
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Great post
/r/PurplePillDebate19/03/25 06:59 PM
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First, I already addressed that so I guess you didn't bother reading the post you're responding to. Second, the chad/beta nonsense is the dumbest, most self defeating thing to get sucked into. In reality, tons of guys end up in relationships without being male models. You could too, if you weren't shooting yourself down from the start.
/r/PurplePillDebate19/03/25 06:33 PM
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Why would this be an either-or situation? Why can't you get useful advice from both women and men? It seems like the best approach would be to solicit advice from both (the advice you receive will probably sometimes be inconsistent, but (a) there's going to be inconsistency in the advice you get from a single gender and (b) if you get inconsistent advice you can try both approaches to see which works best for you). Second, I think you can get useful advice even as an "ugly" man (though in my exp…
/r/PurplePillDebate19/03/25 06:17 PM
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Yes, look at the Norwegians, Swedes, and Danes with their bread lines and suffering. Oh, the horror! The suffering! Or, we could look at metrics of human welfare and see that a lot of countries are simultaneously less capitalist and yet better performing than the US.
/r/PurplePillDebate19/03/25 06:06 PM
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recognise that throughout all or human history, only 40% of men have reproduced contrasted to i believe 89% of women. This NYT article has it at 40% vs. 80%. This appears to have changed over time - apparently in the late neolithic the reproduction ratio was 17 women to every one man. So the 40%/80% figure that you're talking about - which is taken from genetic studies - is probably being distorted by that time period. But I think there are two more more important considerations: First, for most…
/r/PurplePillDebate19/03/25 05:55 PM
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Under Jim Crow Blacks were better off than Modern Blacks... It's interesting that beyond the racist substance of your comment, there are a lot of linguistic tells as well. For example, referring to black people as "blacks" and the erratic use of capitalization. Here's a link on how use capital letters properly, btw. Anyways, given the poor education reflected in your grammar, I'm sure you'll understand when I'm not willing to agree with your unsourced claims about history on the basis of your ow…
/r/PurplePillDebate18/03/25 04:37 PM
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You haven't given a source, but an obvious explanation would be that women who are already unhappy in relationships gain the financial ability to leave when they get a raise. You're assuming that making more makes the women unhappy, but there's no reason to think that unless you assume a lot of questionable redpill priors.
/r/PurplePillDebate13/03/25 03:05 PM
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it's easier to bear with if they weren't spending all their time with Chads/bad boys in their 20s. Why would that make it easier to bear? Why would it matter at all? This seems deeply illogical. Let's say I love movies. I have the choice between two 35 year old women, W1 and W2. W1 loves movies and has seen a bunch, W2 has not seen many movies. Am I supposed to somehow prefer being married to W2 because she's a movie virgin? Is it supposed to somehow ruin the marriage for me if W1 watched a lot …
/r/PurplePillDebate10/03/25 09:44 PM
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This claim has a certain sort of "no true scotsman" reasoning to it. There are lots of examples of a men who behave well in a lot of different ways and then they leave their wives when they get old or sick, etc. In fact, studies show men are 6X more likely to leave their wives who get cancer than the other way around. I assume you'd say "well then those weren't good men," which is the no-true-scotsman part I was referring to. I agree that leaving your wife when you get sick means you aren't good…
/r/PurplePillDebate10/03/25 09:36 PM
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many studies If you want to claim there are studies then cite the studies. Don't just claim "studies support me."
/r/PurplePillDebate10/03/25 09:17 PM
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unleashing your natural personality I don't think there's any evidence for a deep down "true" or "natural" personality. All of our personalities are the product of the circumstances we grew up in. You can't have a personality without those circumstances (look up kids who grow up in total isolation - they become incapable of speech). So you can't separate the circumstances from the person.
/r/PurplePillDebate09/03/25 08:35 PM
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None of this is true as a generalization about girls. On top of that, it is absolutely terrible advice for someone trying to date. Sure, there are definitely some girls this might be true about, but there are also some guys it's true about. Girls, like guys, are just people - they vary in all the different ways that men do. So a useful trick is either (a) go find girls who are interested in things you're interested in or (b) go find things that girls are interested in that also interest you. Or …
/r/PurplePillDebate09/03/25 08:27 PM
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I actually think you can make huge improvements in your personality, and I'm basing that on my own experience of having done so. For example, when I was young I was super shy and awkward. Like, one of my high school memories is sitting by myself in a chair at a party I had been invited to because I didn't know how to go strike up a conversation with anyone. I had a really hard time making eye contact with anyone too. Pretty much all I wanted to do was read books in my room. Joining a club in col…
/r/PurplePillDebate09/03/25 08:19 PM
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I dont care what you think is creepy or not. It's not just me. Society generally considers it creepy because it is. But would I find it creepy if someone like Brad Pitt in the movie Troy is in a sexual relationship with an 18 year old? Of course not! It's not about what people look like. It's about the amount of life experience and power imbalance that those relationships create. Most guys in their 40s don't want to date an 18 year old. Most girls who are 18 don't want to date a guy in his 40s. …
/r/PurplePillDebate07/03/25 08:25 PM
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Sorry bro. It's super creepy, which is why everyone normal thinks it's creepy. I think you're getting so upset because you know deep down that it's creepy too.
/r/PurplePillDebate07/03/25 07:22 PM
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It sounds better to say... It does not sound better. Claiming that you were being a psychological manipulator makes you sound worse.
/r/PurplePillDebate04/03/25 11:10 PM
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Again, it’s not supposed to be a first resort. It’s a response to a particular scenario when making your gf feel loved and desired is causing her to take you for granted and treat you badly as a result. OK, so what's your evidence that it works even in the limited context that you're describing? OP has actual empirical studies to back up her claim that these tactics don't work, and all you're coming back with is special pleading about how the conditions weren't right. You aren't giving any evide…
/r/PurplePillDebate04/03/25 11:06 PM
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Great post! Thanks for sharing your story and also for providing the summary of the Buss research at the end. I thought that was super interesting and had never heard of it before.
/r/PurplePillDebate04/03/25 10:34 PM
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As a practical matter, men, but not women, got drafted into two world wars. "The patriarchy" (in context of this thread) is not the claim that women were treated worse back then than they are now. It's the claim that women were treated worse than men. First, this is a misunderstanding of the concept of patriarchy. Patriarchy doesn't mean that every woman is treated worse than every man, just like racism doesn't mean that Obama has to be worse off than some white homeless guy. s American Declarat…
/r/PurplePillDebate03/03/25 07:45 PM
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Here is an actual source (rather than just a bunch of reddit posts) from around the time the ECOA was enacted: National Commission on Consumer Finance identified difficulties that women in particular faced in obtaining consumer, as well as mortgage, credit.' It discovered that credit discrimination primarily manifested itself in five ways: (1) Single women have more trouble obtaining credit than single men. (2) Creditors generally require a woman upon marriage to reapply for credit, usually in h…
/r/PurplePillDebate03/03/25 06:54 PM
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I did not bring "one court case". I brought a historian quoting a historian. You brought fucking Forbes. You didn't read all of what your own source wrote. Although the post he was responding to has since been deleted in the 8 years since it was made, your own source acknowledges that he wasn't addressing practical discrimination: Well said, and great points, all of them. The way the OP phrased the question, it seemed to suggest that, legally, women could not get credit cards or lines of credit.…
/r/PurplePillDebate03/03/25 06:41 PM
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In fact, U.S. courts upheld a merchant's right to pursue credit default restitution against women who were delinquent. You're mixing up two different things. Just because a woman's debt was legally enforceable doesn't mean that women had access to credit as a practical matter. Similarly, under Jim Crow contracts were legally enforceable against black people but that doesn't mean that black people actually had access to credit as a practical matter. The exceptions that exist actually prove the ru…
/r/PurplePillDebate03/03/25 06:35 PM
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I think you're using the phrase "got me" to avoid admitting that I beat you. Not everyone can lose gracefully.
/r/PurplePillDebate02/03/25 06:23 PM
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How is it a "gotcha"? You're the one saying you like his values. He is actually a rapist. Most people wouldn't say they agree with a rapist's values, but you're taking that position. I think that's a fair thing to point out, not a "gotcha" of any sort.
/r/PurplePillDebate02/03/25 06:13 PM
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I mean Trump is a rapist. You're saying you relate to those values? I think that's taking pro-natalism a bit far.
/r/PurplePillDebate02/03/25 06:03 PM
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Why? There are billions of people. We're not running out. I think there's a stronger argument that it's selfish to add more people when we can't support the current population.
/r/PurplePillDebate02/03/25 05:37 PM
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But childless cat lady is a type of woman Yes, it is a woman who owns a cat and does not have a child. It sounds like you don't have a child. Are you taking the position that you care about the world but would stop if you acquired a cat? 😿 How is it that cats transform their owners into selfish people?
/r/PurplePillDebate02/03/25 05:34 PM
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Women can be patriarchal too, just like black people can be racist against black people. But to be clear, to agree with Vance's comment isn't just to favor people with kids - it's specifically disfavour women who don't have kids. Also, it's stupid to think that being invested in the next generation has anything to with reproducing yourself. There are parents who don't give a shit about future generations and people who don't have kids who do. There's no connection between the two things.
/r/PurplePillDebate02/03/25 05:32 PM
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Would a patriarchy support a woman running for president? Well, it didn't. Instead we elected a rapist. I think the fact that we elected a rapist who tried to overthrow the government over a woman really tells you a lot about the continuing presence of patriarchy in our society.
/r/PurplePillDebate02/03/25 03:46 AM
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It wouldn't be, but sometimes manosphere people act like we're living in one. There's a guy below claiming that.
/r/PurplePillDebate02/03/25 03:01 AM
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She has no value Or, you know, women could have value outside of dudes trying to fuck them... That's one of the many problems with the red pill - that it falsely equates a person's value with people wanting to fuck them, when in reality people have all sorts of value outside of that.
/r/PurplePillDebate01/03/25 09:42 PM
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Does society see me as having no value since I’m married? Society doesn't see you as having less value, red pill men see you as having less value. I wouldn't let red pill men define your value for you. It's sort of a gross, dehumanizing philosophy in the first place.
/r/PurplePillDebate01/03/25 09:22 PM
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Sure: Examples from law would be "standing," "capacity," "preclusion." Or in physics, terms like "entropy," "redshift," and "spacetime." Or in philosophy, terms like "deontology." I'm not saying you can't make up a single sentence about those terms - I'm saying that someone who knows only that sentence still won't understand the concept. But shoot your shot.
/r/PurplePillDebate01/03/25 09:10 PM
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Well, I'm not sure what parts you're saying are good but let me just pick out an example: It’s about defining women and men as opposites, about the “naturalness” of male aggression, competition, and dominance and of female caring, cooperation, and subordination. I think most feminists would object to gendering any of those traits. Both men and women can display all of them - it's a false narrative of patriarchy that they're inherently gendered, just like it was a false narrative in the 19th cent…
/r/PurplePillDebate01/03/25 09:01 PM
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There are lots of words like that - ones where a single sentence wouldn't convey the topic because the topic is complex. People can try to reduce it to a single sentence, but that doesn't mean that someone who knows just that sentence actually understands the word. Examples from law would be "standing," "capacity," "preclusion." Or in physics, terms like "entropy," "redshift," and "spacetime." Or in philosophy, terms like "deontology." Sorry, but some things in life are complicated and take educ…
/r/PurplePillDebate01/03/25 08:53 PM
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I'm not sure I entirely understand your question, but here's an example: JD Vance's attack on "childless cat ladies." Both men and women can be child free, and both men and women can own cats. But there's not a cultural expectation that men should prioritize having kids and being a homemaker over other priorities in the lives like career ambitions. So "bachelors who own cats" doesn't work as an insult and doesn't get attacked by people in positions of power the way women do for the same choices.
/r/PurplePillDebate01/03/25 08:41 PM
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Your point is objectively wrong though. Deeply flawed men have no problem finding partners. I don't think you understood OP's point. She explicitly says: If you’re a lazy, broke, piece of shit, having 10/10 looks helps you get away it because enough shallow women will ignore those red flags. So the fact that shitty men end up with people doesn't contradict what OP was saying. Maybe they're really good looking. Maybe they find women with exceptionally low standards. Maybe they have other aspects …
/r/PurplePillDebate01/03/25 08:37 PM
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Lol. It's not my job to make up for the fact that reading a single book chapter is hard for you. Besides, "explain it in a single sentence" is just a dumb challenge. There are lots of complicated topics - chemistry, law, physics, medicine - that just take a lot of reading to understand. I suppose all of those things are beyond you if a single chapter is too high of a hill to climb.
/r/PurplePillDebate01/03/25 08:34 PM
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Both men and women enforce and participate in patriarchy. You're falling into a misunderstanding of the term - you're thinking "patriarchy" means something like "men bad" but it doesn't mean that at all. Here's a book chapter that explores the concept more if you're interested in actually understanding it.
/r/PurplePillDebate01/03/25 08:05 PM
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Ken never really caught on the same way "Karen" did, I think precisely because "Karen" was able to leverage existing sexist bias. This Atlantic article covers the point well. In some sense the term "Karen" is similar to the term "bitch." Bitch is primarily used to refer to women, but it can be also be used to refer to men in a way that pejoratively ascribes feminine attributes to them (e.g. "he made Tom his bitch"). So too, when the word "Karen" is used to refer to men, its punch comes from leve…
/r/PurplePillDebate01/03/25 08:02 PM
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Good post. To add some other recent examples of patriarchy in our society: JD Vance's attack on "childless cat ladies." Both men and women can be child free, and both men and women can own cats. But there's not a cultural expectation that men should prioritize having kids and being a homemaker over other priorities in the lives like career ambitions. So "bachelors who own cats" doesn't work as an insult and doesn't get attacked by people in positions of power the way women do for the same choice…
/r/PurplePillDebate01/03/25 06:47 PM
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The comment you're responding to wasn't meant to "prove" the existence of patriarchy, it was meant to show that OP didn't know what the word "patriarchy" means. Knowing what the words mean has to come before arguing about whether patriarchy exists.
/r/PurplePillDebate01/03/25 06:17 PM
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humans nowadays have rights no matter the gender... do you know the history of human rights? Note that you've changed the words without acknowledging that you're doing so. The person I was responding to was talking about "privilege" and you switched to talking about "rights." Rights and privilege aren't the same thing and don't operate at the same level of analysis. For example, a privilege might be that as a man there's no social expectation or pressure that I should prioritize kids over my car…
/r/PurplePillDebate01/03/25 05:12 PM
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Western women are literally the most privileged group in history. Source?
/r/PurplePillDebate01/03/25 01:10 PM
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So patriarchy is defined as a family where men are the leading "patriarch" and is the "leader" of the family basically. And uh, this really has fuckall to do with feminists perceived problems. Like, do they think guys raised by single moms are less sexist or something, because I really don't see this. You haven't bothered to educate yourself (or even look the term up) and so you're arguing against a straw man. Here is a book chapter that you should read if you want to do something more than argu…
/r/PurplePillDebate01/03/25 01:06 PM
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A woman that you like a lot and place a lot of value on. There's no objective ranking of men and women, and it's kind of gross when people try to act like there is.
/r/PurplePillDebate28/02/25 03:40 PM
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It was a slow change that occurred over the final three decades of the 20th century (and to some extent is still going on today). Probably the best starting point for the change was the publication of The Feminine Mystique in 1963, but it was a slow change over time. It's not like one day feminism happened and the genders had equal rights and access to opportunity. This chart from The Atlantic shows the change pretty well.
/r/PurplePillDebate28/02/25 08:34 AM
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Do you think in a flirty situation with a girl he would talk like he is doing with you, someone who he is debating with oppose view? I think you're assuming that it's easier to conceal these sorts of views than it actually is. Most guys who have that level of anger in them aren't good at hiding it - you still give off a vibe even if you're not explicitly saying it.
/r/PurplePillDebate28/02/25 08:11 AM
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Can you give me quote of where I'm complaining about females not wanting to date me? Yes, your top level comment in this thread. Which one is a better deal, rhetorical question? It depends what you're looking for. I want the person I'm with to genuinely like me as a human being, and you can't buy that with a green card. So for what I'm looking for, self improvement is the best route. If you just want to get laid and are OK if the other person is just pretending to like you, the easiest approach …
/r/PurplePillDebate28/02/25 08:01 AM
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This idea that men need to massively improve themselves as a group and women need to do jack shit is why so many men are turning to the right and red-pill adjacent content. I actually agree with you that there are a lot of men who have shifted to the right because women have more choices now. For most of history before the late 20th century you didn't really have to be all that appealing as a guy to be married (a) because women were cut off from being able to support themselves, (b) because divo…
/r/PurplePillDebate28/02/25 07:55 AM
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I'm not complaining about you saying it here - I prefer when people show who they are. You're complaining that women in America (i.e. women with choices) don't want to date you. Hence, you'd advocating running off to the third world to try to find more success among women without choices. But if the issue is your personality -- and the way you talk certainly makes it seem that way -- then the women in the third world countries don't really want you either. They just want a green card.
/r/PurplePillDebate28/02/25 07:36 AM
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This is the case for at least a big subset of men. I think if you want somebody to want to date you, you have to be able to answer the question "why would somebody want to spend a bunch of time around me?" A whole lot of guys in this thread are leading with "I make a lot of money." If a woman's primary selling point was that she made a lot of money, would you want to date her? Probably not.
/r/PurplePillDebate28/02/25 07:31 AM
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And then comes along some American female, maybe with a bastard, ton of debt, in her 30s ... why would I even entertain annoying, selfish bitch that brings nothing to my life This doesn't exactly make it sound like you have a super appealing personality to be around...
/r/PurplePillDebate28/02/25 07:27 AM
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I'm an average looking guy and gets lots of matches. That's reality, even if you don't want to believe it. So it's worth asking, if I'm successful at it why aren't other people? I think it's because they're not using the apps right.
/r/PurplePillDebate28/02/25 07:14 AM
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It does help you, but that's not one of my suggestions. If your personality is so stunted you can't even maintain a friendship with women, why would anyone want to date you? Being able to maintain friends is a critical social skill. It's not a great sign if you can't.
/r/PurplePillDebate28/02/25 07:12 AM
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except we all know that discussing his preferences would have been deemed perfectly acceptable if he wanted to date single moms. Because it's hard to that you like a group of people in a way that makes you come across as an asshole. It's much easier to come across as an asshole if you're saying that you dislike a group.
/r/PurplePillDebate27/02/25 10:32 PM
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Other than OP's roommate, I've never heard anyone claim that men are "obligated" to date single women. It certainly is not remotely accurate to claim that "women" think that men have that obligation. This is more like "woman." Interestingly, OP has not chosen to direct his question to that woman.
/r/PurplePillDebate27/02/25 10:29 PM
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Obviously, regardless of gender, if you weigh 400 pounds it's going to be harder to find someone. I don't know that that makes it's impossible. But I would probably recommend that someone in that position first look at bariatric surgery or ozempic or something before putting themselves out there, because your options are going to be greatly expanded if you address the weight issue first.
/r/PurplePillDebate27/02/25 10:27 PM
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I guess it depends on what you mean by weight loss. I have a heavier friend who did most of those things and met his wife on Bumble. But he was like 50 or 75 pounds overweight, not 400. It also helped that he was open to girls who sort of looksmatched him and that he cared more about personality and shared interests. Plus, he's an interesting guy who does things, has hobbies, reads, is educated, etc. So there's absolutely not a rule that you have to be in perfect shape to meet someone online.
/r/PurplePillDebate27/02/25 08:46 PM
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I wrote up a thing here and another user responded to me and added a lot of useful suggestions.
/r/PurplePillDebate27/02/25 07:49 PM
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Unless you have some really serious issue, you're probably using the apps wrong. Even as an average looking guy, you can get lots of matches if you work on your profile.
/r/PurplePillDebate27/02/25 05:22 PM
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Seriously, this. It's so annoying when someone just sends you "hi" as an opener. Learning to be a good conversationalist takes worth but pays so many dividends.
/r/PurplePillDebate27/02/25 05:20 PM
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Yes, absolutely. And I think it's also a positive feedback loop. Since most of the girls I engage with actively message me, the app thinks I'm attractive and therefore gives me more options. So I can prioritize even higher quality matches which then increases the chances that the girl and I message actively.
/r/PurplePillDebate27/02/25 05:19 PM
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Apps have worked really well for me as a man. I really prefer being able to connect with people who I know are looking for the same thing I am. In the old way of doing things, trying to meet girls was a pain because most of the girls you meet aren't looking to date (because they're already seeing someone or whatever). With the apps you can talk to hundreds of girls and line up dates every night of the week if you have the energy for it (which I don't). I think there are two downsides: The first …
/r/PurplePillDebate27/02/25 05:11 PM
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I am a lawyer and what I'm saying is that the "damages" here don't make a lot of sense within the general framework that the law uses to calculate damages. Just saying "that's for the courts to figure out" isn't a way to overcome the difficulty so much as it is a way of sweeping the problem under the rug.
/r/PurplePillDebate26/02/25 11:13 PM
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I just imagine if I were a man and asked my faithful wife to take a paternity test because I’m paranoid cuz of TikTok she’d be reasonably offended by that. Especially since the man doesn't have to "ask" for a paternity test. You can just go get one and do it. They sell them at Walgreens. They aren't expensive. You don't need anybody's permission. When a man makes a choice to go demand a test from his wife, he's making an intentional choice to call her a whore to her face. There's no reason for t…
/r/PurplePillDebate26/02/25 11:06 PM
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Yes he should be able to sue for damages. What are his damages? Humans are 99% genetically related to each other just as background. When a man has a kid with a woman, she's going to pass on her genes as well. The kid's not going to be a clone of the dad no matter what. So, genetically, the difference between a kid being "yours" and "not yours" is really, really infinitesimal. Normally with damages we try to measure the gap between where a person is post-injury and where they would be had the in…
/r/PurplePillDebate26/02/25 10:58 PM
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the algorithm knows whether you're attractive regardless of how you swipe The algorithm has multiple possible data points that it can use. You're right that who swipes on you is relevant to how attractive the app finds you, but the company running the app has a strong incentive to move spammers to the bottom of the pile because it that creates a bad user experience for people who are taking it seriously.
/r/PurplePillDebate26/02/25 10:18 PM
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No, you should swipe girls you actually have something in common with and could see yourself dating.
/r/PurplePillDebate26/02/25 10:15 PM
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Mindlessly trying to match every profile you see is what gets you penalized. I'm not claiming the app can tell whether you read the bio. Reading the bios becomes relevant when you are choosing only a few profiles to match with.
/r/PurplePillDebate26/02/25 10:14 PM
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Assuming you're using "cookies" as a euphemism for prostitution, that already is legal. It just requires travel to either Nevada or Europe. You might say that that's too much work for men, but how much work is getting put into sending a billion messages that never get responded to? So I don't think your proposal would fix things because that already exists in the status quo.
/r/PurplePillDebate26/02/25 06:46 PM
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The guys who are just swiping everyone get punished by the apps. What that signals to the app's algorithm is that you message everyone and no one messages you back. That convinces the algorithm that you're not an attractive person, which means you don't get shown to people. It's a positive feedback loop. The spammer guys don't get matches so they spam more which means they get fewer matches, and so on.
/r/PurplePillDebate26/02/25 06:32 PM
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They absolutely do. These guys spamming everyone aren't even being rational or strategic, they're just shooting themselves in the foot and trying to make a virtue out of it. Frankly, the apps should punish that sort of behavior as it just makes for a bad user experience and drives the serious people away.
/r/PurplePillDebate26/02/25 06:29 PM
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I read bios too, am also looking for a genuine connection, and do super well on the apps. If you want to actually date someone you have to approach people like individuals and not just a numbers game. I think OP's post is reflective of what guys do when they don't know what they're doing, which is consistent with OP saying he's getting zero matches. I don't think it's a reflection of what most guys are doing.
/r/PurplePillDebate26/02/25 05:56 PM
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No, it's not better. The issue isn't with what you call it - it could "ki" or "magic spirit" or "aura" or "animal magnetism" or whatever. The problem is that it's an entirely subjective assessment which only serves to cover up confirmation bias and circular reasoning. An actually useful theory of male attractiveness would relate things that we can actually observe (e.g. height) to an outcome (e.g. attracting women). But when an "explanation" relies entirely on this sort of subjective, magical po…
/r/PurplePillDebate25/02/25 08:21 AM
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has this dominant aura about him If you're relying on "auras" to explain your theory, that's a really good sign that it's woo-woo nonsense.
/r/PurplePillDebate25/02/25 04:22 AM
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This reads like you just personally prefer "trad" relationships and are defining that as "alpha" and more modern relationships as "beta." It's otherwise hard to follow your logic.
/r/PurplePillDebate25/02/25 04:19 AM
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dark triad personality This is the first time I've heard someone claim that women are attracted to sociopaths and sadists.
/r/PurplePillDebate25/02/25 04:09 AM
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Let's stay on topic Yep, zero. 🤡
/r/PurplePillDebate21/02/25 09:55 PM
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Being a sex worker (assuming she is) would mean that she has significantly more experience successfully attracting the opposite sex than you, OP. So I'm not sure why you think her opinion wouldn't matter. I think your comment is coming from a place of generalized prejudice against sex workers, which is (like the OP comment) gross.
/r/PurplePillDebate21/02/25 09:50 PM
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The more current information shows a significant reduction, and that's only the first decade after the VAVW.
/r/PurplePillDebate21/02/25 09:44 PM
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Some experiences vary by gender, others do not. It depends whether gender is the controlling variable, and you guys are assuming (incorrectly and without support) that it is. There are guys who get tons of matches on apps and there are women who hardly get any. My point is that attractiveness (and to some extent, effort) are the determining factors here, not gender.
/r/PurplePillDebate21/02/25 09:21 PM
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I'm not. My point is that your experience dating has way more to do with how attractive you are (across a variety of dimensions, not just looks) than it does with whether you have a penis or a vagina. By contrast, your approach is to try to "average" all the men and then all the women together. You're relying on the assumption that you can create this average in order to claim that men and women have different experiences. And I'm saying that that doesn't make any sense. There's no such thing as…
/r/PurplePillDebate21/02/25 09:16 PM
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The "law" isn't the same in all places. Australia and the UK have different laws than we do. In the US, the VAVW applies equally to both men and women (despite the name of the law). I'm open to an argument that even if the law is the same there's an inequality in implementation, but your study doesn't support that for the US.
/r/PurplePillDebate21/02/25 09:13 PM
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This is so emotionally manipulative and gross. 🤮 It's up there with advice like "you should routinely make indirect insults so your GF feels insecure." Don't you want to actually like the person you're in a relationship with as a human being? And if you like them, wouldn't you want them to be happy and secure dating you? On top of that, it's just terrible advice if you're a man actually looking to have a relationship. Any woman with a little bit of self confidence who is interested in a monogamo…
/r/PurplePillDebate21/02/25 09:05 PM
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There's no such thing as a "standard woman" or a "standard man." The experience of attractive and unattractive people are both part of the experience of men and women alike. You can't average them out.
/r/PurplePillDebate21/02/25 08:52 PM
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OP, I think your post sort of assumes that we're talking about a woman who is more attractive vs a man who as not as attractive. In reality, many of the women's advantages you're talking about apply to people who are attractive regardless of gender and many of the disadvantages are the same.
/r/PurplePillDebate21/02/25 08:44 PM
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Your source is from 1998 and its data ends in 1996. The VAWA was passed in 1994 - so your study's data is at most two years after that. Your link therefore doesn't provide any meaningful information about the long term success or failure of the VAWA. I don't think you actually read the link you provided.
/r/PurplePillDebate21/02/25 08:39 PM
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I just went through your study and there's only one passing reference to the United States outside the footnotes. There's no mention of the Violence Against Women Act. If you're claiming that it's a source that sheds light on the US, please actually reference the part that does because I'm not seeing it.
/r/PurplePillDebate21/02/25 08:35 PM
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The law has been amended twice to make sure it applies in a gender neutral way, including in same sex relationships. if i as man call the police or accuse a woman of domestic violence and press charges what is the result? As with a woman, what would happen when you called depends heavily on the specific facts and circumstances you'd be calling about. If you want to claim that the VAWA doesn't apply to you, that's not correct per the link I gave above. If you want to claim that the law isn't impl…
/r/PurplePillDebate21/02/25 08:29 PM
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The VAVW was originally passed mored than 30 years ago when people were more openly sexist in a lot of ways. But it has been amended twice to make it explicit at various points that it applies to DV victims of any gender, including in same sex relationships. But I agree that the title should be changed. We shouldn't make things gendered unless there's an especially good reason to do so, and there's no such reason here.
/r/PurplePillDebate21/02/25 08:24 PM
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It assumes that men are inherently competent and should be able to handle everything on their own. Most of the contexts where people talk about weaponized incompetence involve tasks where it's fair to assume that any adult should be able to do it if they tried and invested effort. So when someone does a bad job, it's a natural inference that they're intentionally doing a bad job to get the other person to do it. I don't think it's a gendered concept, although it's more common to see women compla…
/r/PurplePillDebate21/02/25 08:03 PM
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Yeah. I got the ick super hard from that video. 🤢
/r/PurplePillDebate21/02/25 07:41 PM
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I want whoever I'm dating to be an equal partner and teammate. So the idea that I, or she, would be the "provider" is a little gross. It might be the case that one person earns more money and the other contributes more in other ways, but I don't think that's one person being the "provider" (or, alternatively, both people are). Both are contributing in that context. And it's also not the same thing when someone has an emergency, or needs help, or circumstances otherwise make it fair for one perso…
/r/PurplePillDebate21/02/25 07:39 PM
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Could also be the area you live in. If you're in an area where men are more controlling of women then maybe it's a regional expectation that women in relationships can't have friends. But there's something going on because this isn't happening to other people. And it's worth figuring out what that is, rather than excluding yourself from friendship with half the population.
/r/PurplePillDebate20/02/25 08:21 AM
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I don't think that's true. It's sometimes easier to date if you address some low hanging issues (e.g. improving personal hygiene, getting on medication to manage depression), but there are a ton of remarkably imperfect men in relationships. It's easy to get into the mindset of "in X time I won't have Y issues any more and then I can date," but the reality is that that approach easily turns into sitting on your hands forever. It's better to just be constantly working on yourself and then throw yo…
/r/PurplePillDebate20/02/25 08:17 AM
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If: (A) Out of the hundreds of millions of women in this country, none of them want to maintain their friendships with you when they're in a relationship; and (B) Other men in this world are able to make and maintain friendships with women regardless of whether those women are in relationships; then the only common factor in you not being able to maintain friendships with women is YOU. That merits a hard look in the mirror. I don't know what it is you're doing that's killing your friendships wit…
/r/PurplePillDebate20/02/25 07:03 AM
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If: (A) Out of the hundreds of millions of women in this country, none of them want to be friends with you; and (B) Other men in this world are able to make and maintain friendships with both men and women, then the only common factor in you not being able to maintain friendships with women is YOU. Stop blaming women and spend some time working on yourself.
/r/PurplePillDebate20/02/25 07:00 AM
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If: (A) Out of the hundreds of millions of women in this country, none of them want to be friends with you; and (B) Other men in this world are able to make and maintain friendships with both men and women, then the only common factor in you not being able to maintain friendships with women is YOU. Stop blaming women and spend some time working on yourself.
/r/PurplePillDebate20/02/25 07:00 AM
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I've kept my friendships across my friends' relationships and my own. Your experience is far from universal.
/r/PurplePillDebate19/02/25 11:19 PM
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Maybe if you give off the vibe that you're trying to fuck them.
/r/PurplePillDebate19/02/25 10:51 PM
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No they don't. Maybe if you live in Saudi Arabia or something. Adults in healthy relationships are allowed to be friends with who they please.
/r/PurplePillDebate19/02/25 09:30 PM
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I don’t dislike women You say that, but that's pretty inconsistent with your next paragraph: I’ve already discussed how I feel about the lack of benefit men have from having female friendships, it doesn’t benefit us in anyway and the only reason a guy would have one is because he is hoping to get out of the zone eventually That's not how people talk when they view women as human beings with their own worth and value aside from an object you can fuck. Normal men have platonic relationships with w…
/r/PurplePillDebate19/02/25 09:14 PM
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Most of it is actually good advice, though. I think the problem is that you're interpreting it badly. For example, from your OP post: Have Female Friends: the friendzone is real people and you can be in the zone for years and years like one of my friends. Having female friends is not the same thing as being in the "friend zone." The 'friend zone' is what people call it when someone lingers around a 'friend' because they want to hook up with the 'friend' and the 'friend' doesn't want to hook up w…
/r/PurplePillDebate19/02/25 07:07 PM
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Why is it so hard for you to accept that men are disadvantaged at tims? Yes, the requirement is that men fill out one form one time. I did it, it wasn't onerous at all. Let's be clear: You have not been called on to defend your country involuntarily. You filled out a one page form one time. That's not the same as being drafted and it's not the same as being subject to a draft. That's the entirety of the special contribution you made to America by being a man rather than a woman. Paperwork. Easy,…
/r/PurplePillDebate19/02/25 10:17 AM
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No, IF a draft occurs it will be subsequent to a change in law. Current law does not allow for anyone to be drafted: A national emergency, exceeding the Department of Defense’s capability to recruit and retain its total force strength, requires Congress to amend the Military Selective Service Act to authorize the President to induct personnel into the Armed Forces. If the law is ever changed who gets drafted depends entirely on how the law is changed. When Congress changes the law it is not cons…
/r/PurplePillDebate19/02/25 10:01 AM
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I don't know about you, but I have some pretty hard limits that ain't gonna change in the moment. So you're talking in terms of, you want to have it established that you definitely do NOT consent to some things? I hadn't thought about it that way, and maybe there's some more utility from that perspective.
/r/PurplePillDebate19/02/25 05:48 AM
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You bring it out after the fedora tip but before you incant "it puts the lotion on its skin..."
/r/PurplePillDebate19/02/25 05:07 AM
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100%. Plus: It's an opportunity to be crystal clear about what you are and are not consenting to ahead of time This is a real problem. What matters is consent at the time of the sexual act, you can't just go ahead and knock out consent ahead of time. So at best this is irrelevant (wrong time) and worse it could be used in a lot of perverse ways. Filling in a whole form just seems like a way to pressure people not to change their consent while the act is in progress, which people should be able a…
/r/PurplePillDebate19/02/25 04:59 AM
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Bro, pulling out your thesaurus doesn't obscure the fact that the 'oppression' you are talking about consists of filling out one form one time when you turn 18. It has not affected your life in any way since you filled it in, except when you choose to call it up as thin grist for the mill of exaggerated woes. I did it too. It wasn't painful or difficult. Describing it even as an "inconvenience" would probably be a stretch. There are so many actually harmful ways that our society discriminates ag…
/r/PurplePillDebate19/02/25 04:38 AM
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And as a guy, I could care less if a girl I’m dating has no friends. I had to learn this one the hard way, but you should care. A person who can't maintain friendships probably dealing with something that's also going to affect romantic relationships.
/r/PurplePillDebate19/02/25 12:52 AM
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It's the same, think about it for at least half a second and realize WHEN a draft occours, it happens during a war period, so you saying "if the draft were ever to be brought back" and "which doesn't exist" in a time of peace means jack shit, it don't exist because they don't need it. No, IF a draft occurs it will be subsequent to a change in law. Current law does not allow for anyone to be drafted. If the law is ever changed who gets drafted depends entirely on how the law is changed. You are j…
/r/PurplePillDebate19/02/25 12:43 AM
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It used to mean something but now it's just a buzzword for "man does something I don't like and it's pathetic and harmful". No, that's just how you were using it, which is an incorrect way to use the term. Other people using the word wrong on social media or something also does not convert the term into a buzz word - it just means there are people out there who use it incorrectly. I'm aware it's original meaning is something along the lines of "bunch of expectations about men that are harmful to…
/r/PurplePillDebate19/02/25 12:36 AM
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It's a list which would facilitate the draft if the draft were ever to be brought back. It is not the same as being subject to the draft (which doesn't exist) and it is especially not the same as being drafted. Of course, the law could change to reimpose the draft. But if we're talking about a hypothetical where the law changes, the law could just as easily be changed to impose the draft on both sexes as on men alone (in fact, it's probably more realistic that we would impose it on both in 2025)…
/r/PurplePillDebate19/02/25 12:24 AM
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I'm just saying that it's okay to disagree with someone else Nobody has ever disputed that, or suggested that disagreement is forbidden. The person I was responding to wrote: feminists are too woke to understand that ["Women can have privilege just as men. There are so many aspects to have privilige for that have nothing to do with sex."]. Anyone who thinks that feminists as a group don't understand that they can have privilege has just never spent any time reading feminist writing. Because femi…
/r/PurplePillDebate19/02/25 12:20 AM
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Okay which issues can you name? That's an easy one - men in our society don't have a good way of expressing their emotions around others without being judged. For example, if you cry in front of others you run the risk of judgment even though crying is a healthy emotional response in many contexts. Those expressions of emotion which are expected within the male gender role are often unhealthy and negative, such as a man being angry. Without mentioning toxic masculinity You don't know what that t…
/r/PurplePillDebate19/02/25 12:10 AM
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I've read Bell Hooks Will to Change I'm thrilled to hear that! It's a great book, and you're spot on in your description. I'm really glad you took the time to inform yourself. Also, since you've taken the time to educate yourself I'll take the time to give you a serious, full response. So tell me, what feminist acknowledges female privilege? In one sense Bell Hooks is giving many different examples of that in The Will to Change. Privilege is sometimes describes as an "unearned benefit" but in so…
/r/PurplePillDebate18/02/25 11:55 PM
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Feminists disagree with each other all the time. 100%. Feminism isn't a single thesis, it's an intellectual tradition. Given that, who are the specific feminists you're trying to disagree with. Which ones have you read? Because you're just attacking an amorphous "they" right now.
/r/PurplePillDebate18/02/25 11:10 PM
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No, that's not toxic masculinity. That's him having insecurities that emerged as a result of being bullied as a boy for the slightest deviations from masculine norms. That. Is. Toxic. Masculinity. That's fucking feminism man. Jesus christ. 🙄 That's literally something feminism addresses and seeks to fix. You agree with feminism! But you haven't read any feminists or taken the time to educate yourself so you don't realize that (a) you actually agree with the theories you're attacking and (b) when…
/r/PurplePillDebate18/02/25 11:05 PM
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I've never heard a feminist specifically acknowledging any of these things as privileges OK, give me the name of a feminist author you're familiar with and tell me which works by him/her that you've read. My guess is you haven't seen it because you haven't actually read any feminist works or educated yourself about what they actually think. You're just fighting an imaginary boogeymen.
/r/PurplePillDebate18/02/25 10:43 PM
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It debunks young men in the US today who are trying to claim that they're under some special, onerous burden because of the draft. They aren't. The only requirement in the US today is filling out a form and that's an onerous requirement (though I agree one that should be changes so that women fill out the form too).
/r/PurplePillDebate18/02/25 10:37 PM
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feminism and women love to continually bring up all the issues women faced in the past as though they are justification for things going on in the present. Give me a specific, concrete example of a person making that argument so we can see whether they're (i) doing what you claim, (ii) just teaching history (just because we stop a bad thing doesn't mean it stops being part of history), or (iii) talking about current day issues. You're attacking an amorphous "feminism" in a way that's essentially…
/r/PurplePillDebate18/02/25 10:34 PM
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First, you're conflating the burden imposed by registering for the selective service with the burden imposed by the draft. I also registered for the selective service and it took less than five minutes and has since never affected me. By contrast, being drafted is a major imposition. So while there is a remaining sexist burden imposed on men, it's a very minor one. People sometimes try to say that men should get special treatment because men are drafted but the actual existing requirement of fil…
/r/PurplePillDebate18/02/25 10:25 PM
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So that means we can stop talking about all the issues women faced before 1952 since they don't affect women living today right? When an issue affecting women actually stopped in 1952, sure. Which is why, for example, you don't see feminists focusing very heavily on women's suffrage in 2025 - that was solved by the 19th Amendment. However, feminism is still concerned with the plethora of issues affecting women in 2025. Not all of the the problems with patriarchy were solved by the 19th Amendment…
/r/PurplePillDebate18/02/25 10:16 PM
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The thing is, "toxic masculinity", when defined correctly as "manifestations of extreme mascunlity that result in unnecessary violence or anti-social behevaiors in men", does exist and is a serious issue that needs discussion. That's a silly definition, in addition to being incorrect. Toxic masculinity can be extreme and it can involve violence, but neither of those is essential. A classic example of toxic masculinity is a guy with an injury who won't go to the doctor because he thinks that woul…
/r/PurplePillDebate18/02/25 07:54 PM
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Feminists worldview is that we live in a patriarchy, men are oppressors, and women are oppressed. Their ideology is gynocentric, where all problems are viewed as to how women are affected. Bullshit. You're talking about "feminists" thinking/wanting things in the same way that people reference an undefined "they" and ascribe bad motives Give me specific feminist authors that you've read and tell me where s/he said that. I don't think you've ever read any feminist writing and I think you're just r…
/r/PurplePillDebate18/02/25 07:24 PM
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What are you talking about? I see feminists discuss their own privilege fairly often. I think a lot of your guys who hate "feminism" have never actually read any or talked to any feminists and you're just at war with this booogeyman in your head.
/r/PurplePillDebate18/02/25 07:08 PM
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Women volunteers have been enlisting to serve in the US armed forces since 1917. Men conscripts were drafted against their will until 1973. Men BORN IN OR BEFORE 1952 were conscripted, not men generally. Men born after 1952 have only gotten into the military the same way women do - they volunteered. Got a whole lot of men born after 1952 up in this thread claiming hardship for things that happened before they were born. If you were born after 1952, the draft is not a significant distinction betw…
/r/PurplePillDebate18/02/25 06:56 PM
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Go back and reread the post you're replying to as you misunderstood it.
/r/PurplePillDebate17/02/25 11:47 PM
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You are confusing two different things. Let's use an easier to understand situation: If I play the lottery, there are trillions of numbers I can pick. With a single ticket I can put any number I want. But I cannot afford to pick trillions of numbers worth of ticketa because I can't afford that many tickets. There are two different senses of possibility that we're talking about. A single woman can't go on a million dates, but if she only wants to go on one date there are millions of people she po…
/r/PurplePillDebate17/02/25 07:11 PM
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None of us can contact a billion people but all of us have at least a hundred million people who are potential contacts. It's like a buffet - you can't eat all the food at the buffet with a finite stomach, but all of the food at the buffet is food you could potentially eat. When a person settles for you, they're passing up the opportunity to see if the next person they dated would be a better fit. They don't know, and searching is costly, which is why people settle.
/r/PurplePillDebate17/02/25 06:46 PM
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It's obviously anecdotal, but I'm 40 and am pretty different than I was in my late 20s. People don't change super fast like they do in college, but a decade is a long time and the experiences over a decade definitely change you.
/r/PurplePillDebate17/02/25 06:24 PM
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You're either (a) trying to use words you don't understand, or (b) having reading comprehension problems with respect to my post.
/r/PurplePillDebate17/02/25 05:58 PM
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How old are you? People grow and change over time. A lot. In fact, I think it's probably a bad sign if you aren't growing between highschool and 30/40/50. There's no way I would want the same things in a girl as a full adult that I did in high school or college.
/r/PurplePillDebate17/02/25 05:54 PM
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That's just a dumb thing to want. There are billions of people in the world. No matter what a person's taste is, there's someone among those billions who fits that taste better than you.
/r/PurplePillDebate17/02/25 05:41 PM
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Every time you're in a relationship you gain new information about yourself. We don't come out of the womb with perfect self knowledge, you try things and only after find out whether they actually made you happy. Our standards are essentially hypotheses - we think "a person with features X, Y, Z will make me happy" but you don't know until you date someone with those features and pay attention to whether you're happy or not. If dating that person didn't make you happy you've falsified the hypoth…
/r/PurplePillDebate17/02/25 05:36 PM
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This is a great question. I used to worry over this back in college and think I eventually found a good way out of the quandry. I think the apparent paradox is solved by having a better concept of what it means to "settle" and a better understanding of how the standards work. In fact, the riddle is broader than is even being captured by OP's presentation. No matter what standard a woman (or man) adopts by which to measure potential partners, somebody (and likely multiple somebodies) out in the w…
/r/PurplePillDebate17/02/25 05:19 PM
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I don't want to find out that she changed her standards Why? People change their standards in other contexts all the time. Every time I get a new car, I have new goals that are informed by the experience of driving the earlier cars. Why wouldn't it be the same with romantic relationships? You want your SO to judge you by the standards she had for her first crush in middle school? If so you better practice slamming pogs because I bet you aren't as good as you used to be.
/r/PurplePillDebate17/02/25 04:50 PM
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I think it's an illusion created as an accident of the gender skew. There are more conservative men and more liberal women. Willingness to date people across party lines has decreased over time, but among those people who end up doing so demographics mean that the most likely pairing is conservative-man/liberal-woman.
/r/PurplePillDebate16/02/25 11:22 AM
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Always the man has to DO OR PROVIDE SOMETHING to the woman What do you think a relationship is if not two people who want to do things with and for each other? Like, do you expect her to cuddle you without you cuddling her back? That she's somehow going to dance with you but you don't dance with her back? Or she'll have conversations with you without you saying anything? If you hate doing things with the person you're in a relationship with, why would you want to be in the relationship? If your …
/r/PurplePillDebate16/02/25 11:11 AM
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Well thank you for the very nice compliment in your other post. It made me feel good about myself, so you've already made someone's day better.
/r/PurplePillDebate16/02/25 10:21 AM
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Lolol. They think I made you up.
/r/PurplePillDebate16/02/25 09:20 AM
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So are men in women the same or are there fundamental differences? The differences that matter between people aren't connected to biological sex, just like they aren't connected to eye color, blood type, etc. There are both men and women are money focused. There are both men and women who care about an emotionally supportive partner. There are both men and women who care about sex, or social status, intelligence, or whatever. It's a social myth that they're the result of gender.
/r/PurplePillDebate16/02/25 08:50 AM
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It is a good thing. It must have sucked living before feminism when a woman had to stay with you for financial security. But that's not the world we live in in 2025. At least not in the developed world.
/r/PurplePillDebate16/02/25 08:40 AM
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No, that's ridiculous. I want a girlfriend who is independent and free thinking enough to dress the way she wants without subordinating her style to my tastes. Who the fuck wants a partner they tell how to dress? That's called a doll.
/r/PurplePillDebate16/02/25 08:35 AM
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All of that just translates to someone who can also provide money for them No it doesn't. Most of those are life skills - they improve quality of life for the people around you but they don't convert into cash.
/r/PurplePillDebate16/02/25 08:28 AM
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I was friends for a bit with this guy named Harry. He was ugly if we're talking about pure looks on a bellcurve. He was pudgy, and balding, not very tall, and his face was kind of weird. But out of everyone I've ever met he had the best ability to make you feel seen that I've ever experienced. Like, it just came across that he saw and valued you as a person - that he actually cared how you answered questions that most people ask as a small talk formality. It was something he practiced and worked…
/r/PurplePillDebate16/02/25 08:21 AM
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I think it's really sad to think of yourself as only good for providing money. There are a million things that you can add to a woman's life that have absolutely nothing to do with money. You could be good at cooking, or a great travel companion, or emotionally supportive, or reliable, or adventurous in a way that gets her out more, or intellectually curious, a good conversationalist, or a good dancer, etc. You guys are acting like women are some sort of different species - that they only care a…
/r/PurplePillDebate16/02/25 08:11 AM
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In terms of pure physical appearance I am absolutely average. Probably right dead in the middle of the bell curve. I'm not claiming I'm hideous, I'm claiming that women never approach me purely based on looks and never will. I think I have a significantly better than average personality but I had work extra hard on that as social skills don't come naturally to me and I'm shy by default. So I put work in and learned how to do it. If you're interested in doing the same from yourself How to Win Fri…
/r/PurplePillDebate16/02/25 07:55 AM
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No, not really. I don't think you've spent much time talking to women. Put down the philosophy from the mid-19th century and go pay attention to the world that actually exists around you today. Women don't need to get money from men in the 21st century. There are a lot of women who out earn a lot of men.
/r/PurplePillDebate16/02/25 06:54 AM
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That's just not true. I'm pretty average looking and have had a fulfilling sex life without having to give women things for it. I think it's your personality, bro. Also, both your personality and your appearance are things you can work on and improve.
/r/PurplePillDebate16/02/25 06:48 AM
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Arthur Schopenhauer Given that he never had any successful relationships, I don't think Schopenhauer is much of an authority on how they work.
/r/PurplePillDebate16/02/25 06:46 AM
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No, I'm quite opposed to killing babies. The problem with your argument is that you're missing a baby. There is no baby when a woman gets an abortion, which is commonly (but not always) the point of the abortion. In fact, nobody actually takes the "fertilized eggs are people" argument seriously except when it is accompanied by a bid to control women's' bodies. Estimates vary, but under natural conditions somewhere between 50% and 85% of fertilized eggs die before being born. Most of this occurs …
/r/PurplePillDebate15/02/25 11:31 PM
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First, why can't both of them be put under scrutiny? Both of those expectations can easily be the product of irrational, internalized gender expectations.
/r/PurplePillDebate15/02/25 07:50 PM
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To add to OP's very good points, a significant number of shitty behaviors (including several on OP's list) are or can be intrinsically male not because all men do them or only men do them, but because the act itself is the performance of male gender expectations. I see a lot of guys here get confused by this so I'll give some examples to illustrate: Example One: This real life post from earlier today about a father who expects one of the women in the house to serve him at the table even though t…
/r/PurplePillDebate15/02/25 07:20 PM
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Agree both with the statistic and that the behavior happens. I just think it's completely fucked up.
/r/PurplePillDebate15/02/25 06:24 PM
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Why can’t people be free to divorce or terminate any relationship where their needs aren’t met. I think it’s perfectly acceptable I think most people care why the needs aren't being met. Like, if my wife gets cancer and I say "you're no fun anymore, I'm leaving you to die alone" most people (including me) would think that that's really shitty. On the other hand, if you just grow apart and neither of you is happy then I don't think anyone outside really religious communities is going to have a pr…
/r/PurplePillDebate15/02/25 05:03 PM
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Impoverished single moms is a modern phenomena. Out-of-wed-lock births used to be rare, and when they did occur, the kid was given up for adoption. This is a fantasy version of history, like imagining that medieval castles used to all have Disney princesses in them or something. Here are some actual facts from an actual source: "In the Late Middle Ages, a third of the population was probably born extramaritally" "From 1400 to 1600, the illegitimacy ratio dropped markedly, but from 1650 to 1850, …
/r/PurplePillDebate15/02/25 01:35 PM
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That's a silly argument. An abortion means that a child never comes into existence. Nobody has a responsibility for a non-existent child meaning that nobody is avoiding a responsibility. What the woman is doing in the context of an abortion is eliminating a cost. By contrast, OP's proposal involves a situation where there is living child and the man just doesn't want to pay. Since the child exist, the cost of raising it falls on somebody - the father, the mother, the child, or the broader societ…
/r/PurplePillDebate15/02/25 01:16 PM
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These are all great additions!
/r/PurplePillDebate15/02/25 04:59 AM
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For example if you're married imagine it was default that the husband would take responsibility for the kid but a DNA test convoided and a divorce with spousal support or child support would trigger a DNA test Why is this rule necessary or even beneficial? Literally, you can go get a DNA test any time you want one (unless you live in France, apparently). They aren't that expensive, they sell them at Walgreens, everyone knows what they are, you don't need anyone's permission. So why do we need a …
/r/PurplePillDebate15/02/25 04:22 AM
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I think there's enough of a throughline in feminism that it doesn't dodge all attempts to describe it. If we want to be super pedantic we can find niche exceptions but I'm not interested in being pedantic to that degree. You're saying that without giving argument or evidence. You're not even saying what you think the throughline is. You're just asking us to take your word for it by claiming that to do otherwise would be "pedantic." This is why feminism, like other memes, is more concerned with s…
/r/PurplePillDebate15/02/25 04:00 AM
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Over time, ideologies tend to focus more on self-preservation than anything else. This is an incorrect understanding of memetic theory. Under memetic theory all memes are trying to spread. Trying to spread isn't a feature memes acquire when they get old. Just think about it. Memetic theory is a direct metaphor for biological life. Do you think early forms of life had some "higher goal" than reproduction and later forms just became sex obsessed or something? Obviously that's nonsense. And it's ju…
/r/PurplePillDebate15/02/25 03:43 AM
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At this point feminism feels like a very particular philosophy and ideology that has long since strayed from the core focus on women's plight. That's because you're not understanding what feminism is. Feminism isn't and has never been a single, individual thesis or set of propositions -- it's an intellectual tradition involving lots of different people over a long period of time. Feminists disagree with each other. Most self-identified feminists today wouldn't agree with Andrea Dworkin or JK Row…
/r/PurplePillDebate15/02/25 03:26 AM
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I don't think you understood it. The dissertation is communicating and analyzing survey results from heterosexual female respondents. In other words, the results are a large number of women saying what they like. These aren't the author's personal take, they're women saying what they want.
/r/PurplePillDebate15/02/25 02:35 AM
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In fairness to that author, they were attempting to measure whether there was any substance to "lay" stereotypes about dating and "bad boy" is the lay person term. The cringe isn't coming from the author, it's coming from society.
/r/PurplePillDebate15/02/25 02:30 AM
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You guys are doing this wrong - I think because you're not adjusting your approach for how the algorithm works. You're thinking about this in terms of women want when what you're actually dealing with is an emotionless set of mechanical rules that lives on a server. I get about 100-150 matches a month and I am completely average looking, not over 6 feet, and pretty shy irl. I do use the premium mode which matches what I'm about to explain. You have to understand that the dating app company's goa…
/r/PurplePillDebate15/02/25 02:09 AM
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The only empirical study I could find was this dissertation which indicates that different groups of women prefer different things (which isn't that surprising of a result). I thought one of the interesting things that the dissertation found was a relationship between a woman's attachment style and preference. From the abstract: Study 2 asked participants to rate their romantic interest in profiles derived from these traits and multilevel models revealed that greater trait attachment anxiety pre…
/r/PurplePillDebate14/02/25 11:26 PM
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Thanks for the heads up. I was using a link shortener for wikipedia articles that end with a parentheses (which reddit formatting doesn't handle well). That's probably what was messing it up.
/r/PurplePillDebate14/02/25 07:28 PM
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Good post
/r/PurplePillDebate14/02/25 10:08 AM
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The smart ones are running our government. Not if you mean the US government.
/r/PurplePillDebate14/02/25 08:25 AM
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First, it doesn't do much good to complain about supposed deficiencies in my data set when you have no alternative data set at all. Right now I'm the only one with actual evidence of any sort, so I'm competing against an empty room. Second, I could win the argument with a sample size of one single person because the only thing I'm attempting to disprove is a universal claim - that no men prefer heavier women. Nobody disputes that those men are a minority. But the nature of universal claims is th…
/r/PurplePillDebate14/02/25 07:08 AM
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I am a lawyer and you're right. A statement like "Republicans are crooks" can't be the basis for a defamation claim. To be defamatory the statement has to target an identifiable person, not a big group.
/r/PurplePillDebate14/02/25 06:08 AM
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Thanks for giving an interesting and informative response. I was one of the people who had thought of RPW as tradwife pick-mes. I'm glad to hear it's not as much of a self-loathing exercise as I had assumed.
/r/PurplePillDebate14/02/25 05:32 AM
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Notably, you've only posted a chart without the context of the actual study which accompanied it. The actual study shows that while women rate men at a lower level than men rate women, their irl behavior in terms of messaging men is much more evenly distributed. If it were the case, as the person I was responding to claimed, that "average men are repulsive to women" we wouldn't see that pattern. Why would women spend their time messaging someone they find repulsive? In fact, contrary to the hype…
/r/PurplePillDebate14/02/25 04:36 AM
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Here is an actual survey. The men in the survey are saying what they prefer, not what they'll tolerate. And a minority, but a significant minority, said they prefer heavier women. The men answering the survey have no incentive to lie to the person conducting the survey. They're not trying to get anyone in bed in that context. Neither your dishonesty explanation nor your desperation explanation fit the actual data.
/r/PurplePillDebate14/02/25 02:53 AM
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You mean it’s not how they talk around you. But when the guys are together alone, it’s an entirely different conversation. I'm a guy and a majority of my friends are guys. When I hang out with just my male friends, we don't talk about women like that. None of my friends would talk about women like that. The way you and your friends talk about women isn't a side effect of having a penis. It's a side effect of having shitty friends.
/r/PurplePillDebate14/02/25 02:49 AM
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It's such a convenient way to dispose of evidence that doesn't fit their theory. "Everyone who disagrees with me is lying!"
/r/PurplePillDebate14/02/25 02:02 AM
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I am not a he, first of all. Fair enough. I'm sorry for getting that wrong. Second of all, check the murder rate that nearly doubled after all the "conscious raising" in the 60s. I provided a link. If that's not moral disintegration, I don't know what is. You should have bothered looking at a graph of the murder rate over time. If the increase in the murder rate was caused by feminism/cultural-marxism/[insert your favorite Tucker Carlson boogeyman here], then why did the murder rate drop back do…
/r/PurplePillDebate14/02/25 01:31 AM
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If you had actually read the quote you would have noticed that there were two numbers cited - one for DV within the past year and one for DV at any point over the course of the marriage. Unless we assume that all marriages in 1978 were only eight years old or less, the second number tells us about a period further in the past than 1970. I know that reading comprehension is not your strong suit This is a hilariously un-self-aware comment given that you managed to misread a fairly straightforward …
/r/PurplePillDebate14/02/25 01:21 AM
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I'm not angry at women. I am happily married with kids. If the way you talk about women online matches the way you think about your wife, I feel sorry for her. What you're saying is just idealized nonsense. How you wish things were. Not how they really are. I don't know what kind of guys you've been around. Who don't talk about women's asses and tits and what not. Granted I went to school in the late 1990s and early 2000s. Maybe you guys have all lost your testosterone due to video games and bat…
/r/PurplePillDebate14/02/25 01:13 AM
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That's not what the survey said. The survey asked what body type men prefer - not what they're willing to settle for. Your 8% doesn't match that at all. The last thing you want to do is tell a fat woman (or man for that matter) that being fat is not a problem. You are significantly limiting your dating pool. Even if there are some people into that sort of thing. None of us get to pick the body we're in. Some people have a really hard time dropping weight while for others like me it's essentially…
/r/PurplePillDebate14/02/25 01:06 AM
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Again, here is an actual source where men are saying what body types they prefer. The survey didn't ask what body types they'll tolerate in the absence of other options. The men answering the survey said what they like. By contrast, you're not citing any evidence at all. Your reasoning is basically "this is how I think so it must be how all other men think," which is obviously poor logic.
/r/PurplePillDebate14/02/25 01:02 AM
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Have you ever had male friends? lol this is how we all talk I have lots of male friends. That's not how any of them talk, and if a guy started talking like that we'd call him out for it. What you're revealing is that your friends are shitty people. That's not a universal feature of being a guy. It's a feature of being deeply misogynistic. Yes people being realistic about this world. You're not being realistic about the world. You're basing your worldview on a fictional narrative in which all men…
/r/PurplePillDebate14/02/25 12:57 AM
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In my experience the % of men who truly like fat women is quite small. Maybe as low as 2%. Survey data says about 10% of men prefer heavier women. So it's not the majority preference but it's not exactly rare either. There is another 8% or so of men who will fuck and even sometimes date fat women. But they are just dumpster divers. ... Though in my experience they treat those women like absolute shit because of how easy it is to replace them. Actually, most guys aren't shitty people like that. T…
/r/PurplePillDebate14/02/25 12:40 AM
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Certain things are universally attractive. Certain things are universally disgusting. This is just poor logical reasoning. The fact that any men exist who express a preference for larger body types means that your likes and dislikes are not "universal." Most people don't like pineapple on pizza, but the fact that some do means there's not a "universal" preference on the matter. Besides, survey data suggests about 10% of men prefer heavier women. That's not a majority, but it's certainly far from…
/r/PurplePillDebate14/02/25 12:29 AM
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You're giving reasons that you don't like big women and trying to universalize it to all men. There's no reason to think men who say they like big women are lying. And your claim that "[b]ig girls are just easy" is just you projecting your own malignant personality defect onto others. Most guys aren't as nakedly manipulative as you are - that's a you thing. I'll give you an analogy: I've dated a lot of women who spend time putting on make up and shopping for clothes, both of which have the goal …
/r/PurplePillDebate13/02/25 11:33 PM
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(1) is only valid if the men have other options. You're falling prey to the no true Scotsman fallacy. When presented with evidence of men who like bigger women you come up with some reason that they don't count. In other words, you're not drawing your conclusions from the evidence, you're using your pre-assumed conclusions to selectively ignore data that doesn't support you. (3) Women with curves are easier to draw. First, no, they're not. Second, neither example of art I gave you was a drawing.…
/r/PurplePillDebate13/02/25 09:32 PM
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why would you think it does? That's an easy one. Reason One: I'm an average looking guy on a good day and I've slept with lots of women. Plus, I'm pretty shy so all of them approached me. I've never hit on a girl and wouldn't know where to start. And to cut off an argument before you make it, this has been true both across periods where I made a lot of money and periods where I was a broke college student. It had nothing to do with being a provider or giving women material things. Reason Two: Mo…
/r/PurplePillDebate13/02/25 09:18 PM
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There's no evidence that men like fat women. I think you're confused about what the word "evidence" means. Because if you weren't, you would recognize that there's a ton of evidence around you. Specifically, (1) the statements of men who say that they like bigger girls, (2) the existence of men dating bigger girls, (3) artistic depictions across cultures which positively depict larger women. (Example 1 - prehistoric fertility statues, Example 2 - the painter Ruben, from whom we get the term "Rub…
/r/PurplePillDebate13/02/25 08:50 PM
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Exactly. Across societies there have always been dudes who are into bigger girls. It's just a personal preference thing. The fallacy in OP's reasoning is he's assuming that there's some sort of 'objective' or fixed ranking of attractiveness. But there's not one standard, there are billions of personal tastes.
/r/PurplePillDebate13/02/25 08:44 PM
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average men are repulsive to women This doesn't make any sense. Are normal looking women repulsive to you? Why would you think it doesn't work the same way in reverse?
/r/PurplePillDebate13/02/25 07:34 PM
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There's no such thing as "normal" here. Different people want different amounts of sex, and that often changes at different points in their lives. Your claim is like trying to say that there's a "normal" eye color, a normal height, or a normal number of kids to have in a family. It's an incoherent, nonsensical claim - there is no norm, there are just differences across people.
/r/PurplePillDebate13/02/25 07:28 PM
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What are you basing this claim on? Because I strongly suspect it's not direct experience from having a girlfriend or a wife.
/r/PurplePillDebate13/02/25 07:24 PM
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It's not the job of the people who know how to research to do the homework for those who don't. Instead of posting a poorly reasoned screed about how the left destroyed the fabric of American society, OP could have spent 20 minutes googling and found an answer. The answers are out there, OP just didn't bother to look them up. For example: Focusing on violence between marital partners, the investigators report that 16 percent of those surveyed reported some kind of physical violence between spous…
/r/PurplePillDebate13/02/25 09:13 AM
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That doesn't mean the term is an equivalent to our modern concept of domestic violence. As this study describes, what counts as "wife battering" partially depends on the normative assumptions carried by members of a society: "Violence" has proved to be a concept which also is not easy to define. Some early researchers attempted to distinguish between legitimate acts of force between family members and illegitimate acts of violence (Goode, 1971). This was a consequence of the fact that much of th…
/r/PurplePillDebate13/02/25 09:03 AM
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OP is asking for stats they know don’t exist; and then goes on a tear about “the new left” being to blame for a higher murder rate. And, ironically, OP doesn't actually provide any evidence for his somewhat fantastical ravings about how the left destroyed "the social fabric of society."
/r/PurplePillDebate13/02/25 08:55 AM
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“It’s often” You haven't given any evidence for the claim that it's "often" the case either. You're still just making a bunch of negative assumptions about people, and throwing the word "often" on the front of your sentence doesn't change that.
/r/PurplePillDebate12/02/25 01:33 AM
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Can you link an example of feminism promoting healthy masculinity please? Bell Hooks, The Will to Change.
/r/PurplePillDebate08/02/25 09:31 PM
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Abuse was always grounds for divorce. That's not correct. Men have been allowed to beat their wives for a longer part of American history than the part where abuse was illegal.
/r/PurplePillDebate08/02/25 09:22 PM
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The assumption that "women don't rape" or that "men can't be raped" is the exact kind of incorrect, gender-laden assumption that most versions of feminism are against. The same goes for the idea that male rape victims need less protection, care, or support. The irony here is that you are taking the very gendered assumptions that feminism critiques and then somehow blaming it on feminism. Also, you're misinterpreting the Seyer case in a way that makes it sound a lot more outrageous than it is. He…
/r/PurplePillDebate08/02/25 09:13 PM
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A woman can go to a clerk in my state and make up a story about abuse, get her husband kicked out of the house, separate him from his kids, make him lose his job and liberty, and feminists think that’s a good thing. You realize that has nothing whatsoever to do with feminism, right? Didn't they make you read To Kill a Mocking Bird in high school? Haven't you heard about Emmet Til? But on top of that, you're wrong about how the DV protection process works. There's a whole judicial process and cou…
/r/PurplePillDebate08/02/25 08:19 PM
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Friendship and relationships Friendships are relationships. It's just a platonic relationship. Platonic friendships can be closer and more intimate (and often are closer and more intimate) than relationships with the person you're fucking.
/r/PurplePillDebate08/02/25 12:44 AM
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Think of it this way: Regardless of your looks, if you learn good friendship skills then either: (1) You will make friends AND maybe get laid; or failing that (2) You will make friends. Either way, that's a solution to loneliness. And even if you don't like (2) as much as (1), it's better than having no one around. You don't need to be hot to stop being lonely.
/r/PurplePillDebate08/02/25 12:41 AM
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You're concerned young men will be "brainwashed" to.... be OK getting hugs and having close friendships? Really? What's your beef with hugs?
/r/PurplePillDebate08/02/25 12:33 AM
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Good take
/r/PurplePillDebate08/02/25 12:29 AM
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Same
/r/PurplePillDebate06/02/25 09:35 PM
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don't pay attention to what they say but to what they do Sure, but in that context we have to be honest about what the women were actually doing - i.e. what behavior we've actually observed. OP's post dramatically overstates the conclusion that the study he relies on can ultimately support. If you read it, OP's study is an observation of dating behavior in the context of speed dating. In the context of speed dating, participants have an easy time assessing the other person's looks but a much har…
/r/PurplePillDebate06/02/25 09:19 PM
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In certain environments, sure. In those environments, shelter is not a need. In other environments you do die without shelter. In those environments shelter is a need.
/r/PurplePillDebate06/02/25 05:57 PM
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You won't die without those things so you don't need them. If that's the test then it's pretty easy to disprove that sex is a need men have. Lots of men go without sex for long periods of time - men in prison, or who live in remote locations, or who are deployed in the military, or who just celibate for any number of reasons (voluntarily or involuntarily). Miraculously, men don't die even after being celibate for decades. It follows that sex is not a need men have.
/r/PurplePillDebate06/02/25 05:55 PM
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For a man, sex can be a way of self validating his worth in the gene pool. By converse, lack of sex can be detrimental to a man's self image by suggesting he is worthless in the gene pool. I suppose, assuming the man doesn't have a good education or doesn't understand evolution or genetics. But the remedy in that case isn't sex at all. The remedy is for that man to get a library card and read some books to correct his deep seated misunderstandings. Whether somebody or something wants to fuck you…
/r/PurplePillDebate06/02/25 05:41 PM
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To amplify your point, this map (showing global age gaps) and this map (showing gender equality) certainly seem to suggest that big age gaps are concentrated in areas where women don't have a lot of opportunities.
/r/PurplePillDebate05/02/25 06:25 PM
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How is this supposed to be an argument in favor of big age gaps in the modern world where women aren't going to starve to death or be enslaved? At most your argument paints age gap relationships as a necessary evil in the hell-on-Earth world that existed before modernity. It doesn't make age gap relationships sound like a good thing - it makes it sound like something is going wrong in places where they occur.
/r/PurplePillDebate05/02/25 06:23 PM
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Let's look at some actual data. Compare this map which shows the size of average age gaps by country with this map which shows countries ranked according to the Global Gender Gap Index. Both data sets are partially incomplete, and it's not a perfect trendline, but looking at the maps certainly gives the impression that the size of the average age gap is inversely correlated with the level of access women have to opportunity. Now that doesn't tell us which way the causal arrow flows, or even if t…
/r/PurplePillDebate05/02/25 06:15 PM
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Fair enough. I'm sorry for assuming. And also that that happened to you.
/r/PurplePillDebate05/02/25 05:32 PM
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I think you don't care in your personal relationship because you know and the people whose opinions you care about know that racism is stupid and there's nothing wrong with your relationship. I think it's the opposite when we're talking about a middle aged guy and a girl who just turned 18. We want absolution the most when we suspect we've done something wrong.
/r/PurplePillDebate05/02/25 05:24 PM
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Why is it when women and men have equal rights - including the right to marry whom they choose, age gap relationships go away Excellent argument. 👏
/r/PurplePillDebate05/02/25 05:17 PM
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I think we both know you did read it and just don't know how to respond.
/r/PurplePillDebate05/02/25 05:13 PM
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Who fucking cares? This phrase is what they call a thought terminating cliche. Its role here, as you're using it, is to act as a sort of mental stop sign - a mechanism to end the critical analysis and ultimately to avoid thinking about things. Let's play a game by rolling past that stop sign, treating it like it's an actual question. I think we all know that if you're 45 and you date an 18 year old, lots of people are in fact going to care. They're going to think that it's creepy, that there's s…
/r/PurplePillDebate05/02/25 05:07 PM
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Then we wouldn't see things like mate guarding and the cinderella effect. Clearly our males are very keen on reproducing with their own DNA. First, mate guarding can be easily be explained culturally. In fact, it has to be explained culturally and not biologically because it isn't consistent across cultures (which it would be if it were an inherent biological feature of humans). Not only do we see in absence of it in various early cultures, but (contrary to what Redpillers claim) there are tons …
/r/PurplePillDebate05/02/25 01:08 AM
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There are three giant problems with your argument. First, you're misunderstanding how both evolution and genetics work at a fundamental level. You should read The Selfish Gene by Richard Dawkins if you'd like to understand it better. But the result here is that your whole line of reasoning is defective. You're conceptualizing selection taking place at the organism level - i.e. multiple men competing to spread their individual genes. But evolution takes place at the gene level, with genes competi…
/r/PurplePillDebate05/02/25 12:11 AM
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There are lots of shitty people out there, but lots and lots of people want an equal partnership. With a single exception, everyone I know who's married or in a long term relationship does it relatively equal terms. Also, pretty much every girl I've gone on dates with has been happy to split things 50/50. Where are you finding these women that want men to pay for everything? I think you might just have a lot of shitty people surrounding you. Or live in a backwards part of the country. But in big…
/r/PurplePillDebate02/02/25 08:51 PM
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Heck, a woman is far far FAR more likely to die during an abortion process than giving birth. Bullshit. Source or it didn't happen.
/r/PurplePillDebate27/12/24 02:23 AM
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First off, using worldwide figures is disingenuous, the rate in the US is about 22 per 100,000 You don't know what the word "disingenuous" means and it's obvious to people who do. In this instance using a big word did the opposite of making you look smart. Look up its meaning - you don't have to take my word for it. Going to the substance, first, why do only US women matter? The vast majority of women aren't in the US. But let's go with it for a second and limit it to the US. Presumably, then, i…
/r/PurplePillDebate27/12/24 02:00 AM
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But women wouldn't even try to put their lives at stake for helping others. You do realize that pregnancy and birth are extraordinarily dangerous, right? Here's a statistic: Maternal mortality and morbidity are leading contributors in women's health. It is estimated that 303,000 women are killed each year in childbirth and pregnancy worldwide.[74] The global rate in 2017 is 211 maternal deaths per 100,000 live births and 45% of postpartum deaths occur within 24 hours. Outside of being a mobik in…
/r/PurplePillDebate26/12/24 08:39 AM
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"Rape" and "not rape" aren't the only two relevant moral categories. Something can be fucked up and not be rape. Situation (2) inherently involves touching someone who is sending off signals (even if only non-verbal or contextual ones) that they don't want to be touched like that. Maybe that's not rape but it's wrong.
/r/PurplePillDebate26/12/24 08:17 AM
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Let's break it down. A woman might: (1) Enthusiastically consent to having sex with you; (2) Unenthusiastically 'consent' to having sex with you; (3) Not consent at all. Your opening post doesn't have anything to do with situations (1) or (3) -- only situation 2. Your post is basically an apologetic for why it's OK to have sex in situation (2). That invites the question, why would you want to have sex in situation (2) in the first place? Even if we assume for the sake of argument that it can be …
/r/PurplePillDebate26/12/24 07:36 AM
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Why would you want to have sex with someone who doesn't want to have sex with you?
/r/PurplePillDebate26/12/24 07:13 AM
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