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I appreciate that. I feel pretty indifferent about whether there were women irl or not. I’m content with my porn addiction now.
/r/PurplePillDebate20/02/24 02:59 PM
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I think I’m finally starting to reach full-blown apathy about life. I’m developing erectile dysfunction and I don’t even care. What difference does it make if I’m never gonna use that thing anyway?
/r/PurplePillDebate20/02/24 02:53 PM
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If a man approaches for experience, he is very likely also genuinely interested. If anything, he may be more interested and just assumes you’d be out of his league or something, so he doesn’t expect it to go anywhere.
/r/PurplePillDebate20/02/24 02:01 PM
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I agree. I should have clarified that my comment is more in reference to comment history trend, rather than this particular comment.
/r/PurplePillDebate18/02/24 11:30 PM
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Fair enough, I won’t prod any further then.
/r/PurplePillDebate18/02/24 11:17 PM
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I dunno, Inject seems particularly fixated on it, and I wonder if it’s hinting at some deeper underlying pain. Don’t get me wrong, I’m not supporting obesity or anything, but I think there’s more to this, is all.
/r/PurplePillDebate18/02/24 11:17 PM
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I guess I was just curious if there was a deeper underlying reason.
/r/PurplePillDebate18/02/24 11:15 PM
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I’m curious, where did your extreme disdain for fat people come from? Were your parents extremely critical of your weight? It seems like it’s probably connected to body dysmorphia in some way, but I’m no psychologist.
/r/PurplePillDebate18/02/24 11:12 PM
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Yeah, I know what you mean, man. It sucks, and it’s hard to make the sadness go away.
/r/PurplePillDebate18/02/24 11:09 PM
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If you’re looking for me to do anything other than wallow in self-pity, then you’re on the wrong sub. I don’t particularly like Reddit, so I only really use it to vent, whine, and moan about my issues anonymously.
/r/PurplePillDebate18/02/24 10:46 PM
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as long as he’s not complaining 24/7 Does that mean you won’t be my adoptive mom?
/r/PurplePillDebate18/02/24 10:40 PM
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Oh hey, that’s basically me! So uh, how you doing?
/r/PurplePillDebate18/02/24 07:55 AM
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I’m aware this doesn’t represent most men. I’m mostly doing this for fun, but also so that I have a specific number the next time someone wants to claim that I’m also not giving the average woman a chance. The women getting messaged less still get far more messages than their male counterparts. Maybe the relative amount isn’t as much, but the point is that there are still men going after them. Meanwhile, the unattractive men don’t get any attention. People try to act like things are always symme…
/r/PurplePillDebate18/02/24 05:49 AM
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I fully agree. I’m not the one who thinks men and women act the same. It’s all the inane comments here which seem to believe this. That men are really just overlooking all the average, plump girls who want love. My point is that we’re not, because men are more willing to give their looksmatch a chance than a woman is.
/r/PurplePillDebate18/02/24 05:26 AM
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Did you have options? I don’t, which is the main reason why I have to resort to this.
/r/PurplePillDebate18/02/24 04:41 AM
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I try to see the good in most people.
/r/PurplePillDebate18/02/24 04:41 AM
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That’s fine. I don’t want to associate with superficial people anyway.
/r/PurplePillDebate18/02/24 04:39 AM
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This is exactly what women do here all the time. “No no, what you encounter irl doesn’t represent most women. I do though.” Don’t listen to me then. There’s that OKCupid study about men rating women on a bell curve, whereas women only rated around 20% above average.
/r/PurplePillDebate18/02/24 04:35 AM
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One random guy having unrealistic standards is not really indicative of how most men feel.
/r/PurplePillDebate18/02/24 04:24 AM
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Yeah, as is typical, it’s mostly just women projecting their own shortcomings onto men. Like they don’t want to ever admit there’s anything uncharitable that women do which men are not guilty of.
/r/PurplePillDebate18/02/24 04:17 AM
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There’s that infamous OKCupid study where men’s attraction followed a bell curve, whereas women only found around 20% or so of the men to be above average. It would be interesting to see if this informal experiment mimicked those findings.
/r/PurplePillDebate18/02/24 04:16 AM
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I would be willing to go on a date with any of the 80% or so of women that I find attractive.
/r/PurplePillDebate18/02/24 04:13 AM
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There are lots of girls who are overweight but still manage to look pretty cute. Despite all the men moaning about fat women on this sub, I think irl most men don’t mind them so much.
/r/PurplePillDebate18/02/24 04:12 AM
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Isn’t there a statistic that male virgins outnumber female virgins? I think women are actually having more sex than men in that more of them have had it at least once.
/r/PurplePillDebate18/02/24 04:02 AM
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I’m kind of annoyed by all the women here projecting that men “also only think about Stacies” or “don’t notice the average woman.” I do some people watching when I’m bored, and I can confidently say I’m probably attracted to at least 80% of the women I see. (Tbf I work at a university with younger women, so it’s probably more skewed than if it were a place with loads of 40+ women.) Like, I’m tempted to literally do an experiment where I tally how many of the random women I see that I find attrac…
/r/PurplePillDebate18/02/24 04:00 AM
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Delusional levels of cope to think that someone with that much status would still be unable to get laid.
/r/PurplePillDebate18/02/24 03:57 AM
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These responses are so cathartic to read. I feel like I’m losing my damn mind whenever the users on the virgin sub act like you’re some heinous villain for a white lie about experience.
/r/PurplePillDebate18/02/24 03:55 AM
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The pro strat is to have a friend with a membership so that you don’t have to spend extra money, but you can still go there once in a while for some shopping or their pizza.
/r/PurplePillDebate18/02/24 03:53 AM
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I’m more interested in normal boring activities :) Maybe I should buy some cocaine :(
/r/PurplePillDebate16/02/24 02:05 AM
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Holy shit, these comments are hilarious. Hoes mad, for some reason. This is seriously the most entertaining post I’ve seen on this sub in ages, so thank you OP. I had no idea how many scientifically illiterate people were on this sub, though I’m not at all surprised by how many do not want you spreading truth when it goes against their narrative in some way.
/r/PurplePillDebate14/02/24 07:32 AM
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Dawn of the Final Day 24 hours remain
/r/PurplePillDebate13/02/24 02:33 PM
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My, as well as most unattractive men’s, experience contradicts this. That’s why it’s funny; it’s absurd. No woman has ever valued me as a romantic partner.
/r/PurplePillDebate11/02/24 04:31 PM
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Preselection in action. Woman who likes a man whom other women like. Shocking stuff.
/r/PurplePillDebate11/02/24 07:47 AM
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Lmao
/r/PurplePillDebate11/02/24 07:43 AM
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I’m always surprised by how many people respond to my vents on here. I’ll be sad if/when I inevitably get banned for sadposting too much.
/r/PurplePillDebate10/02/24 03:23 AM
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Slow down, cowboy. At least take me to dinner first.
/r/PurplePillDebate09/02/24 06:09 AM
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My experience as well. 🫡
/r/PurplePillDebate09/02/24 06:02 AM
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If you have truly given the sort of thing I was talking about a chance, then you are not the sort of person I am shaming. You have done more than what a lot of people are willing to do these days, and that is commendable. You tried it, and it didn’t work out, and that’s all one can do. However, I ask that you also recognize that your experiences are not universal. There is data to support that a lot of people (men and women if I recall) can develop attraction to a person the more they get to kno…
/r/PurplePillDebate08/02/24 06:22 PM
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I’m sorry, but this is practically a non-sequitur. Women being afraid of rape and murder from a significant other would just make them less likely to engage in relationships altogether, not only engage in relationships with high-status or attractive men.
/r/PurplePillDebate08/02/24 05:48 PM
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Sure I can. If someone is drowning and people just stare and watch, then I will be pretty upset by their inaction.
/r/PurplePillDebate08/02/24 05:46 PM
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You could give it a shot and see if attraction develops. Men already often have to do the same, especially when we’re unattractive ourselves and can’t reasonably expect to get with someone we feel strong attraction to.
/r/PurplePillDebate08/02/24 05:45 PM
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I am aware that arousal is involuntary. It’s what you do with the arousal that matters. You can only pine after tall, wealthy, attractive men, or you can give unnoticed, lower status men a chance. You are free to make that choice, and I am free to judge you for your decision. And as I said in a different post, I don’t really expect that shaming will change women’s behavior on this either. But I do believe there should be some guilt and recognition of the consequences of these actions.
/r/PurplePillDebate08/02/24 05:41 PM
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And you seem to miss the point every time this conversation comes up. No one here is doubting Taylor Swift’s adherence to conventional beauty standards. She is conventionally attractive, plain and simple. But there are two important caveats. One, that doesn’t mean she is everyone’s personal preference. And hell, even if she’s not, the baseline attractiveness is still more than enough for any guy here to want to be with her. Two, there are loads of women all over the world whom we find to be simi…
/r/PurplePillDebate08/02/24 05:38 PM
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Because collectively your standards are too high, leaving plenty of men without an ability to feel intimacy or romantic connection. It doesn’t really matter if it’s “normal” or not. In some cultures it’s normal to abuse your wife; that doesn’t make it okay.
/r/PurplePillDebate08/02/24 05:32 PM
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That’s just semantics. Ugly women are being approached on dating apps, or pursued if you’d like to use that word instead. Either way, it’s still showing that men are less picky, as ugly men are absolutely not finding any success on dating apps.
/r/PurplePillDebate08/02/24 05:25 PM
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Nah, I criticize people if their actions harm others. Women’s actions are harming men. Can shame change their actions? Probably not, but they shouldn’t feel completely guilt-free about this either.
/r/PurplePillDebate08/02/24 05:24 PM
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It might be a good idea to start working now though so that you have some money saved up for when you do have to live in an apartment. I do miss my meal plan days though. I can’t cook to save my life, so it was nice to have that option.
/r/PurplePillDebate08/02/24 05:21 PM
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Well most people get into relationships. How else would these unattractive women get boyfriends if a man didn’t approach them at some point? And yes, men generally are super un-picky, especially the men who are unattractive themselves.
/r/PurplePillDebate08/02/24 05:17 PM
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Fully agree. I think women get offended over this because they get much more attracted to people based on status, so they expect men to feel that way too. But no, I’m not any more attracted to Taylor Swift than I am any other thin blonde woman. She’s attractive, but I see dozens of women just as attractive every day while I’m walking around town.
/r/PurplePillDebate08/02/24 05:11 PM
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How do you afford rent and food and such then? I’m assuming you have scholarships to afford tuition at least.
/r/PurplePillDebate08/02/24 05:09 PM
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How do people still believe this nonsense? This false equivalence has been thoroughly debunked already. Most studies show that while women only find a small handful of men physically attractive, men find most women physically attractive. These are not the same. If they were, there would be an epidemic of lonely women who don’t get pursued.
/r/PurplePillDebate08/02/24 05:08 PM
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I’m not going to threaten rape or violence in retaliation because that’s awful and never warranted. But I will definitely continue to shame women for this. They are responsible for keeping a lot of men single and unhappy. You can’t pretend it’s not their choices that are directly causing this.
/r/PurplePillDebate08/02/24 05:03 PM
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My interests are all pretty much borderline autistic special interests that are extremely niche. The only other people into them would be autistic, and I’m pretty sure autistic men outnumber autistic women. Copied from another comment: Reading/learning about medieval history, video games with like 90% male player bases, and I’ve recently gotten into competitive Pokemon.
/r/PurplePillDebate06/02/24 04:00 PM
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Reading/learning about medieval history, video games with like 90% male player bases, and I’ve recently gotten into competitive Pokemon. I’m trying to force myself to get into more normal stuff that takes me outside like rock climbing, but I don’t genuinely enjoy that stuff as much.
/r/PurplePillDebate06/02/24 03:57 PM
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Time to pretend to be interested in something for the sake of getting with women. That sounds like it could backfire.
/r/PurplePillDebate06/02/24 03:45 PM
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I don’t even have social media since I used to not even really have friends. Maybe that’s holding me back, but I’m so far behind with it now. I don’t even know what the kids use these days. Instagram? I’m not hot enough for that.
/r/PurplePillDebate06/02/24 03:43 PM
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Does that mean the pegging offer still stands?
/r/PurplePillDebate06/02/24 03:42 PM
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Apparently not. I’ve gone to parties and bars before though, and I never have any luck there either. I think I’d need to be more outgoing for anything like that to work for me.
/r/PurplePillDebate06/02/24 03:41 PM
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Egg theory is cope. Take the stork pill
/r/PurplePillDebate06/02/24 03:35 PM
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I have not.
/r/PurplePillDebate06/02/24 03:29 PM
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no women in my line of work no women with my interests no women in my church no female friends of my friends I never even had a chance. Do women even exist?
/r/PurplePillDebate06/02/24 03:28 PM
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Fair enough. I guess they’re more likely to post about it on the two X chromosomes subreddit afterward. Either way, chances of success are still slim.
/r/PurplePillDebate05/02/24 11:30 PM
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I got rated as a 4/10 by somebody before, so not too ugly, but not really attractive enough for women either.
/r/PurplePillDebate05/02/24 11:05 PM
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And they’re also the type to complain to the employees that a man was “harassing” them if you bother to try to talk to them.
/r/PurplePillDebate05/02/24 11:04 PM
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Have you spent time with women Aside from friends, no. That’s kind of the whole point of my comment. People who have actually been chosen at some point are speculating here just as much as I am. I don’t really know what it’s like to only be with a woman who tolerates me, and I’d wager none of the people who responded really know what it’s like to be unwanted for your entire life (and no, a 3 year dry spell is not basically the same thing).
/r/PurplePillDebate04/02/24 04:03 PM
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This is so hard for me to wrap my head around. I genuinely feel like it would be more depressing to keep waking up every day alone, rather than beside someone who at least tolerates me.
/r/PurplePillDebate04/02/24 07:09 AM
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🫡
/r/PurplePillDebate03/02/24 05:00 PM
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Most would. We don’t have any standards. I used to DM a bunch of women from the foreveralonewomen sub and other similar places asking if they’d like to chat to get to know each other since I’m similarly lonely. Guess how many responded.
/r/PurplePillDebate03/02/24 04:48 PM
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Only positive thing about being a permavirgin is getting the superpower of disproving the supposed existence of any femcel. I can just ask “would you date me?” and then you get the mental gymnastics about how the answer is no but she also somehow doesn’t have any standards and never gets any opportunities.
/r/PurplePillDebate03/02/24 04:46 PM
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Pink pillers don’t want blackpilled men at all. If women ever became as desperate as men are, there would be no lonely people left.
/r/PurplePillDebate03/02/24 04:38 PM
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I’m not too convinced in the efficacy of meeting online in general. I’ve DMed several women over the years on Reddit, and on the rare instances when they do respond, it usually just fizzles out after a while anyway. Or they’ll live on the other side of the world too. But I guess since everything else I’ve tried has been a failure, maybe it still is my best bet :\
/r/PurplePillDebate30/01/24 06:49 AM
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That’s fair then. I thought it was more of just a joke response in lieu of “it’s over, bro.” I don’t really have any money or autism, so it makes sense why I didn’t get that answer.
/r/PurplePillDebate30/01/24 06:44 AM
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I did not say that I wouldn’t check on my daughter’s well-being wtf? She will just have an advantage in dating, but that doesn’t mean she couldn’t still struggle.
/r/PurplePillDebate30/01/24 06:42 AM
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I’m shocked I didn’t get that one tbh. I got the suggestion of asking through an online community, even though I answered that I’m not okay with dating someone 100+ miles away.
/r/PurplePillDebate30/01/24 06:17 AM
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Damn, I really wish my parents would tell me that :( Tbf though, I’m doing pretty well in life aside from the loneliness part, so maybe they just assume I’m fine with it.
/r/PurplePillDebate30/01/24 06:09 AM
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Based and “taking responsibility” pilled
/r/PurplePillDebate30/01/24 06:06 AM
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I think he’s just saying that a daughter likely would not struggle. If she reaches adulthood without any experience, it’s more likely that she simply chose to be single.
/r/PurplePillDebate30/01/24 06:02 AM
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Femcels don’t exist, OP. You’re not gonna find any here. And those who claim to be femcels never leave the house, so there wouldn’t be any friends who know them in the first place.
/r/PurplePillDebate29/01/24 04:51 AM
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I somehow agree with your overall point and entirely disagree with your explanation. Rough bedroom stuff isn’t really benevolent misogyny. Benevolent misogyny is the stuff like chivalry, prioritizing her feelings above your own, and men taking the dominant/active role in the relationship.
/r/PurplePillDebate28/01/24 05:02 AM
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As a late bloomer (still virgin) man… Wtf no?
/r/PurplePillDebate27/01/24 03:44 AM
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:( I hope you’re okay, dude.
/r/PurplePillDebate26/01/24 05:48 AM
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That does actually seem to work from my past experience. I’m definitely a sad drunk.
/r/PurplePillDebate26/01/24 05:47 AM
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I think I might unironically do this.
/r/PurplePillDebate26/01/24 05:12 AM
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How do people cry? I’m depressed all the time, but nothing ever comes out.
/r/PurplePillDebate26/01/24 05:09 AM
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Femcel actively rejecting men. Imagine my shock
/r/PurplePillDebate26/01/24 04:58 AM
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I’m 26 and still have not found anyone who wanted to kiss me 🙃. So sometimes those teen fears do come true.
/r/PurplePillDebate24/01/24 12:28 AM
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I do not appreciate you invading my mind and sharing my fantasies with others.
/r/PurplePillDebate23/01/24 03:15 PM
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It’s not really comparable imo. Some guys will not want to sleep with female virgins, but they’re pretty rare. Whereas lots of women will immediately raise a red flag if a man over 25 is a virgin. Our hands are tied; yours weren’t.
/r/PurplePillDebate22/01/24 06:45 PM
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I’m not enough of a weeb to know who that is. I just admire the weebs for finding an alternative to human relationships. But why would you pine after an image on a screen when you could just go outside and find a living, breathing man to be with instead? I would only lust after fictional characters because no real women want me.
/r/PurplePillDebate22/01/24 06:30 PM
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Then what ought an older virgin to do if a lot of women wouldn’t want to give anyone a chance who doesn’t have enough experience?
/r/PurplePillDebate22/01/24 06:02 PM
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3D women are overrated. While it’s true that 2D women can’t love you, it’s not like 3D women will either. I admire the degens who can cope by just watching anime all day.
/r/PurplePillDebate22/01/24 05:07 PM
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Do you want to be alone? I’ve yet to encounter a woman who couldn’t find a man if she actually wanted to. They’re usually just dissatisfied with the options available to them.
/r/PurplePillDebate22/01/24 05:05 PM
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Would you really want to do kinky sexual things with someone you’re not all that into? I personally wouldn’t.
/r/PurplePillDebate22/01/24 05:01 PM
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Do you think older virgins should lie about their body count then to not get weeded out?
/r/PurplePillDebate22/01/24 04:59 PM
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“Wailord chick” Lmao okay maybe you’re not so bad after all.
/r/PurplePillDebate21/01/24 05:40 AM
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Where can I find these asexual women with no standards? 👀
/r/PurplePillDebate21/01/24 05:39 AM
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I wish my issue were just that I was fat. That problem would be pretty easy to actually fix.
/r/PurplePillDebate21/01/24 05:19 AM
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Yes, politely say you’re not interested and move on. If he persists, then it’s harassment and you can be as harsh as you like.
/r/PurplePillDebate18/01/24 04:42 PM
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We do listen to level headed people. So not people like you or OP.
/r/PurplePillDebate18/01/24 07:05 AM
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I should have said a cause rather than implying that it’s the cause. It is very true that a lack of platonic kinship also is a very serious component of male loneliness. But frankly, I dispute that it’s the only factor. I have some friendships that I’m happy with, but I’m still extremely lonely because of being unwanted as a partner. Solving the one issue may help the other, but it won’t make it disappear. It’s part of the human condition to want to be wanted, to find love with another person. F…
/r/PurplePillDebate18/01/24 05:23 AM
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I understand that, because it’s become taboo to cold approach women, most of the men approaching you probably will just be redpilled bros looking to score the way their guru taught them. So I won’t fault you necessarily for turning down cold approaches out of hand. But I think it’s equally important to not treat cold approaches like they’re automatically harassment either (obviously they can be, and frequently are sadly, but I’m talking about respectful approaches here). That is something that I…
/r/PurplePillDebate18/01/24 05:13 AM
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Do the women who reject all cold approaches realize that not everyone has a massive social circle? Even if you have a moderate amount of hobbies and avenues to meet people, it’s quite likely that the only women one might meet are already taken. What then? Just sit and pray that you eventually meet someone new just so you can have a chance of her even being available? This sort of nonsense is what’s causing the loneliness epidemic in men imo.
/r/PurplePillDebate18/01/24 02:42 AM
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I think most people know how bad loneliness can be because most have suffered from loneliness at one time or another Actually, that shows why a lot of people, including you potentially, do not understand how bad this problem is. Everyone feels lonely at times indeed, but being a lifelong reject is very different from the typical loneliness one feels when they’re going through a rough spot. People falsely assume it’s the same feeling, and then use that to downplay what is a much more severe strug…
/r/PurplePillDebate17/01/24 03:18 PM
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Yeah, but I wanted to highlight the severe psychological consequences it has too. It warps the way a lot of us see ourselves and others. Feelings of despair, suicidal ideation, lack of empathy, endlessly morning missed milestones, dreading interactions with the opposite sex, inferiority complex, and more all seem to be common repercussions.
/r/PurplePillDebate17/01/24 07:33 AM
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I looked up the definition and it does seem to imply that it’s caused by a specific occurrence, whereas undesirability is more of a chronic condition. So I’m inclined to agree with your assessment. However, I wish there was a better way to convey to others how much this condition can fuck up someone’s sense of self worth and mental health. I think a lot of people underestimate how severe the consequences can be, especially the longer it lasts. As cliched as it is to say, I’m pretty sure loneline…
/r/PurplePillDebate17/01/24 07:29 AM
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Do you think going one’s life without any sexual or romantic desire could count as trauma? I know that’s a heavy word, but for a lot of older virgins like myself, it seems to have completely warped our psychology to such a degree that the term honestly feels warranted. But I’m hesitant to use it because I know I’ll get responses like “wow imagine feeling traumatized for not getting your dick wet. Way to be a whiny brat!”
/r/PurplePillDebate17/01/24 07:15 AM
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My test levels are likely really low. I brought it up with a doctor, but he didn’t recommend taking supplements for it. Some be about acceptance. Maybe I should ask a different doctor about it through.
/r/PurplePillDebate15/01/24 08:48 PM
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Fair enough. If you enjoy it, that’s all you need. I don’t enjoy it, so it would have to offer some extrinsic value to me.
/r/PurplePillDebate15/01/24 08:47 PM
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You’d be surprised lol. Tbf though, I suspect that they have other interests; they’re just really bad at showcasing their personality on the apps. It’s a skill that a lot of men struggle with, and I think women might generally be equally terrible at.
/r/PurplePillDebate15/01/24 08:39 PM
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Likes the office and dogs and nothing else. Talking to them is about as exciting as watching paint dry.
/r/PurplePillDebate15/01/24 08:27 PM
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Nope. I worked out in the past, but I realized I basically got no benefit out of it. Now I just do and eat whatever I want, and it’s pretty chill. I think it’s only a huge benefit if you’re overweight or treat it like a full time job.
/r/PurplePillDebate15/01/24 08:25 PM
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People can do whatever they want obviously, but I don’t think it really makes sense to have a stay at home husband or wife if there aren’t kids involved. It’s only really a full time job equivalent when there are kids in the picture.
/r/PurplePillDebate15/01/24 08:21 PM
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Sounds like more women need to level up.
/r/PurplePillDebate15/01/24 07:22 AM
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As a horny heterosexual man, even I am always shocked by how many dudes on here just want to fuck and want easy access to casual sex with loads of women. Like, the fuck? I just want a girlfriend I love and can commit to. I didn’t think this was a minority opinion.
/r/PurplePillDebate15/01/24 06:43 AM
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I have actually been getting matches on Hinge this week. Maybe there is hope after all. Granted, I’m not too into them and they’re not too into me, but maybe this is what settling looks like? I guess it would probably be naive to think a 26 year old virgin would be able to attract someone who is really into him, or for me to be really attracted to anyone who’s that desperate I guess. Either way, I’m hoping I can go on a date for the first time in about 5 years. If nothing else, maybe it could be…
/r/PurplePillDebate13/01/24 03:26 AM
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Idk I’m just bitter at women who got to do what I want lol. Something about it being harder to find a committed man at that age and a revenge fantasy.
/r/PurplePillDebate13/01/24 03:22 AM
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I don’t. You seem to be fixated on this today for some reason.
/r/PurplePillDebate10/01/24 06:49 AM
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It’s always funny when people ask why I’m alone and then don’t reply. I can’t help but imagine them thinking, “Shit, this guy really is fucked.”
/r/PurplePillDebate06/01/24 08:15 PM
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Sure, but it’s probably also better for women too. As long as monogamy stays the norm of course.
/r/PurplePillDebate06/01/24 05:10 PM
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No, this wouldn’t eliminate the Y chromosome. The goal would just be to make it less common. Maybe 3 women for every 2 men or something.
/r/PurplePillDebate06/01/24 04:36 PM
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It’s definitely brought up in that context as well. Either way, we both seem to agree that it’s an accurate assessment, so I don’t think the gender imbalance would be too much of an issue for women. I definitely think a major factor for men struggling with relationships is our difficulty socializing. It’s pretty obvious since relationships are also a social function. But that’s not really my point with this thought experiment. Men’s social ability would be unchanged in this hypothetical, but rel…
/r/PurplePillDebate06/01/24 04:35 PM
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I’m not sure what you’re getting at with your first paragraph. Do you think it’s cope? Because women bring it up all the time to defend why they don’t settle for male virgins. I take women at their word generally. In regard to the second paragraph, I don’t think the number of men is the issue. We men have trouble socializing in general; it’s not like we have a lack of male friends due to a lack of options. And besides, if men wanted friends, they could still have female friends in this hypotheti…
/r/PurplePillDebate06/01/24 04:21 PM
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I’m glad I have a masturbation addiction then. I don’t like these dreams ruining my mornings.
/r/PurplePillDebate06/01/24 04:14 PM
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The world would be a much better place if there there were fewer men than women, but not for the reasons red pill often claims (I don’t support harems lol). Think about it. It’s brought up again and again that women are more okay with loneliness than men are. So if there were 3 women for every man, then sure 2 in 3 women would generally end up alone, but that doesn’t bother them much. Further, with fewer men to go around, there would be less competition for women, so men might have higher chance…
/r/PurplePillDebate06/01/24 03:38 PM
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Men either have no women interested in them or can get just about any girl’s interest. Cheating would probably be a lot less common if it weren’t for hypergamy.
/r/PurplePillDebate06/01/24 03:34 PM
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There are a myriad of factors. Before I go into the specifics though, I should preface by saying I’m 26. It’s pretty likely that if I haven’t been able to make it work by this age, I will never be able to make it work. There are two main categories of hang-ups for me, and I’d say they are as follows. Men and women alike describe me as effeminate. I’m short, my voice is soft, I can’t grow facial hair, and I just generally have a baby face and “weak” look to me. I don’t have common interests. This…
/r/PurplePillDebate06/01/24 03:24 PM
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Thanks for the reassurance, but I’m not too worried about it. For me, planning on how I could be a better lover is like planning for a zombie apocalypse or something. I don’t really concern myself much with things I doubt are ever going to happen, just on the slimmest off chance that something does occur.
/r/PurplePillDebate06/01/24 02:59 PM
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I don’t feel guilty; I feel depressed. But “woe is me” content is not allowed, so I can’t really get into it.
/r/PurplePillDebate06/01/24 02:44 PM
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I would probably be a bad lover. I’m still a virgin, so I can’t know for sure, but I have reason to believe it (and no, it’s not just because my dick is small, but that is also true lol). I have little control over my tongue, so I would be pretty terrible at oral, and I also can only last under a minute usually. I’d be pretty insecure about these things if I actually had any realistic belief that I’d ever get laid. One of the few upsides of being a hopeless virgin is that I don’t ever need to wo…
/r/PurplePillDebate06/01/24 02:41 PM
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I haven’t dreamt about romance in a long time, but last night it actually happened. I was finally getting blissfully numb to loneliness, and then I had to be reminded how much I still crave affection. I don’t want to do anything today. I just want to go back to that dream.
/r/PurplePillDebate06/01/24 02:38 PM
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For half a second, I thought you wrote you could go as low as 6 years old lmao.
/r/PurplePillDebate06/01/24 02:24 PM
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Yes, I am trying to lose my virginity and failing. But I don’t think that being a virgin is a factor in my failures. The reasons for my struggles are the same as they’ve always been.
/r/PurplePillDebate03/01/24 02:54 PM
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No, it’s not. But I’d say it counts as being an older virgin. I think the statistic is that around 95% of people have lost their virginity by age 25, so I’m well behind the curve at this point.
/r/PurplePillDebate03/01/24 02:46 PM
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Well duh, if I could get dates, I probably wouldn’t be a 26 year old virgin lol. My point is that I’ve never encountered anyone irl say it would be a dealbreaker. Most don’t actually care that much.
/r/PurplePillDebate03/01/24 06:27 AM
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Well, I still never get any dates, but when I speak to women casually about it, they say it’s not that big of a deal and wouldn’t care. I’ve never been ridiculed for it either.
/r/PurplePillDebate03/01/24 06:07 AM
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Yikes, talk about entitlement. Have those women realized there’s more to life than sex? Maybe their husbands are sensing their toxic personality.
/r/PurplePillDebate03/01/24 05:52 AM
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How ugly am I if gay guys don’t hit on me either?
/r/PurplePillDebate03/01/24 05:49 AM
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The “law” is finally starting to catch up with me. I’m back from a 30 day ban for being an inc*l, and I imagine it won’t be long til I’m permabanned. It’s been an honor shitposting with you all 🫡
/r/PurplePillDebate03/01/24 05:47 AM
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I’ve found that out in the real world, women are a lot less harsh about this sort of thing than the jaded users on this sub. Speaking anecdotally as an older virgin myself.
/r/PurplePillDebate03/01/24 05:29 AM
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Lmao the female incel equivalent is a woman who is married with kids. Can’t make this shit up.
/r/PurplePillDebate30/11/23 01:56 AM
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Fair enough. I’m definitely not normal, so I wouldn’t know.
/r/PurplePillDebate29/11/23 07:06 PM
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Never before have I been so upset by a comment I fundamentally agree with. There goes what little sense of self esteem I had.
/r/PurplePillDebate29/11/23 03:11 PM
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Is virginity even seen as a red flag in women? Isn’t it generally valued?
/r/PurplePillDebate29/11/23 03:07 PM
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This post just sounds like a man larping to validate his own insecurities. And I say that as someone who also has these insecurities. Just look at the post history; it’s hard to believe this person exists. And even if she does, clearly these posts are meant as nothing more than bait. Don’t know how people fall for it tbh.
/r/PurplePillDebate29/11/23 03:02 PM
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We resort to those things because we’ve given up hope on women genuinely wanting us. Obviously I’d prefer a real, loving wife over an AI simulacrum, but the latter is sadly more realistic of a wish in the year 2023. Besides, if I ever do find someone, it would probably be because I would have to settle. Why is it so unreasonable to expect women to do the same?
/r/PurplePillDebate27/11/23 03:56 PM
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Hearing the jannies complaining about the incel problem on this sub gives me such a power trip lol. Just the mere existence alone of men like me pisses them off so much.
/r/PurplePillDebate27/11/23 03:52 PM
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This is bullshit. Men and women’s difficulties and struggles are compared in every other arena, often when men have it easier. That’s what a lot of feminism is built around. If you think men and women’s issues shouldn’t be compared, then why is there so much discourse centered around how women are performing in the job market in comparison to men (see the wage gap for example)? You reap what you sow. Women introduced the comparisons between the sexes into the discourse, and now you’re unhappy wh…
/r/PurplePillDebate27/11/23 06:51 AM
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lol no there aren’t. I’ve debated this a lot on this forum actually. Every woman, no matter how ugly, can receive validation and be desired. If you don’t believe me, look up the pig woman experiment.
/r/PurplePillDebate27/11/23 06:20 AM
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There’s a lot to respond to here, so I probably won’t hit everything. Again, I’m not suggesting that the struggles of these bottom 5% are reflective of society at large. However, I can compare them to how women at a similar level experience life. And what’s extremely telling is that there is no female analogue of these men. There are no women at all who cannot find any sexual attention, any validation from men. You also spent a good deal of time talking about men who are voluntarily virgins at t…
/r/PurplePillDebate27/11/23 06:18 AM
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Whatever the causes may be, the fact that there are no female incels speaks volumes on whether it’s just as difficult for women.
/r/PurplePillDebate27/11/23 05:58 AM
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I doubt it. Plenty of incels think of themselves as having garbage genetics, so I imagine normal men also have similarly low views of themselves.
/r/PurplePillDebate27/11/23 05:42 AM
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Can you define what bottom tier men are? Sure. I think it’s a thorny issue to isolate what the causes are, so I tend to focus instead on the outcome. I’m talking about the men who are virgins later in life, say above the age of 25. These are not common by any means, but they do make up roughly 5% of the population. These are the men who have no options, other than exploiting a meth head, I guess. But that’s not just a bad option like what women have, it’s actively not an option. Besides, even if…
/r/PurplePillDebate27/11/23 05:22 AM
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Women having other issues in dating does not imply that their issues are comparable in severity. Your reasoning is faulty.
/r/PurplePillDebate27/11/23 05:00 AM
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And we have no standards because we have no options. It’s a chicken and egg situation.
/r/PurplePillDebate27/11/23 04:55 AM
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Lmao imagine judging someone’s entire personality based off of one venting post on Reddit. Let me turn this around. You seem quick to make ad hominems. You must get no attention irl either. Don’t worry though; if you improve your personality more, then maybe you’ll be more dateable.
/r/PurplePillDebate27/11/23 04:55 AM
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It is still a man vs. woman thing. It’s just easier to compare at the bottom strata of both genders. Bottom-tier men get no options whatsoever, and are likely to never receive any validation whatsoever. Bottom-tier women can get all kinds of validation through social media, apps, body positivity, etc.
/r/PurplePillDebate27/11/23 04:52 AM
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Nah, women’s standards are just delusional.
/r/PurplePillDebate27/11/23 04:49 AM
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Actually, I’m a goodie two-shoes who never violates the rules 🤓 Except the “no woe is me” rule. I’ll violate that rule like it’s the concept of human rights in Sudan.
/r/PurplePillDebate24/11/23 07:19 AM
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This is heart-breaking to read, man. I can kind of relate, but I imagine you have it 10x harder than I do. I hope you can find another pet to give you that same level of acceptance that you deserve. You are good enough, even if no one else says that to you.
/r/PurplePillDebate24/11/23 07:00 AM
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Feels like the SpongeBob scene of Manray trying to convince Patrick he found his wallet. I genuinely think some people here are denser than cartoon characters.
/r/PurplePillDebate24/11/23 06:58 AM
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Kyrie eleison
/r/PurplePillDebate24/11/23 06:53 AM
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I’m shocked and appalled that the mods chose to do other things on Thanksgiving than police this sub for the full 24 hours 😞
/r/PurplePillDebate24/11/23 06:50 AM
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I’ve never said it, but I might be tempted to do it intentionally just to piss Redditors off. Normal people don’t give a shit about this.
/r/PurplePillDebate22/11/23 03:50 AM
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“Women devote their time to maintaining their looks […] or we don’t get any positive male attention.” Lmao this is such bs and you know it. A woman could walk out the door with 0 make up, awful hair, and probably even bad hygiene and still have plenty of suitors. Unless you only count male attention as positive if it’s coming from 6’ dudes making 6 figures.
/r/PurplePillDebate22/11/23 03:30 AM
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Interesting. Guess I just slipped through the cracks for a while.
/r/PurplePillDebate21/11/23 04:11 AM
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Was the “no woe is me” rule always around? Or did I literally bitch so much on this sub that the mods had to add a new rule? Either way, I guess I’m gonna have to find a new sub to vent in now. The virgin sub is usually okay, but most of the time I don’t really have anything warranting a full post. And it’s more fun when I can shed light on how hopeless dating is to normies. The virgins there already know how brutal it is.
/r/PurplePillDebate21/11/23 03:37 AM
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It is if you can’t get fucked.
/r/PurplePillDebate20/11/23 02:24 PM
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Could be worse. Hinge has Catholic as a separate option from Christian lmao. I genuinely didn’t even know how to answer it as an Orthodox Christian. I am a Christian obviously, but answering that way made it seem like I was a Protestant in that context, whereas I identify infinitely more with Catholics.
/r/PurplePillDebate20/11/23 06:39 AM
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No incel content
/r/PurplePillDebate20/11/23 06:36 AM
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My biggest two issues are that I’m pretty short (5’5) and very shy/socially awkward.
/r/PurplePillDebate18/11/23 03:51 PM
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As an incel myself, I definitely relate and used to think like this too. But it’s important to realize that being a good person has effectively nothing to do with dating success, so we shouldn’t take our failures as criticisms of who we are as people. You can be a shitty person with tons of sex, or an amazing person with tons of sex. You can also be a shitty person who never gets laid and an amazing person who never gets laid. Now, don’t get me wrong, it still hurts a lot to feel that we have no…
/r/PurplePillDebate18/11/23 02:52 AM
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Honestly, that seems plausible to me. I’ve had loads of roommates over the years, and I think only two have had girlfriends, let alone success with casual sex.
/r/PurplePillDebate18/11/23 02:46 AM
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So much. I can’t pick one, so I chose two. I wish people acknowledged that some guys are completely screwed. You don’t have to be a misogynist piece of shit to have trouble with women. Sometimes all it takes it two really bad qualities that are hard to change: like being autistic and short, or shy and unattractive. If you don’t meet this minimum threshold for basic attractiveness, then the chances you’ll get any affection in life is practically nil. I also wish people acknowledged that while inc…
/r/PurplePillDebate15/11/23 02:49 AM
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There is not a single woman alive who could not get laid. Back in the hey day of inceldom, people would edit pictures of women to give them pig noses and other gross features, make dating profiles for these women, and they would still get matches. Relationships aren’t easy for women necessarily, but you’re delusional if you think sex isn’t easy for women. Not that it’s a positive for women either, as the sex probably wouldn’t be that enjoyable, but acting like it isn’t an option mistakes the iss…
/r/PurplePillDebate15/11/23 02:17 AM
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How do you lurk in this community all the time and not get the joke he’s making?
/r/PurplePillDebate15/11/23 02:09 AM
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You triggered my trap card. I’m about to rant about how femcels cannot and do not exist now. Any woman could always get with a guy if she lowers her standards enough (not to say she should necessarily, but the option is there). In other words, her celibacy is voluntary. Conversely, plenty of ugly men could not find literally anyone to date them, fuck them, or even touch them with a five foot pole. Show me a supposed femcel, and I’ll show you a liar. I would almost certainly date her since I have…
/r/PurplePillDebate14/11/23 05:43 AM
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Unfathomably based. Thank you for actually being sensible lol. Only thing I might disagree with is the “every age group” part. I think once you reach 40 or so, it might technically be in men’s favor, as it starts getting harder for women to attract men with their looks at that age. Some still totally pull it off, but not everyone can. And the data reflects this, as that age range is when there finally start to be more single women than single men.
/r/PurplePillDebate14/11/23 05:38 AM
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I don’t think my post was really about that anyway. I was just venting about the people who pretend unattractive women can have it just as hard as unattractive men.
/r/PurplePillDebate14/11/23 05:35 AM
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And? I’m not talking about the average man’s experience here. I’m comparing the bottom tiers of both men and women, and low value women generally do not face as many issues with getting validation or even relationships as their male counterparts.
/r/PurplePillDebate14/11/23 05:29 AM
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I didn’t say you don’t have struggles. You just don’t have the same struggles as men. You don’t need to worry about a lack of validation, for instance.
/r/PurplePillDebate14/11/23 05:27 AM
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It’s kind of funny that one of the few privileges women have over men is being able to find dates and sex much easier, yet some will act like men have the advantage even there. Like, give me a break. It’s one of the most demonstrably false assumptions that you have to be seriously ideologically brainwashed to believe. Spend five seconds on Tinder and you’ll disprove the existence of “femcels.” And before anyone says it, I know that it can still be a struggle to find a guy who actually likes you …
/r/PurplePillDebate14/11/23 04:51 AM
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Someone who saw my pic called me a Chadlitelet, and it is the highest praise I have ever gotten lol.
/r/PurplePillDebate14/11/23 04:29 AM
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Are normal men’s numbers really that low too? That’s honestly kind of depressing. Are guys really even finding their dream partner, or is it just them coming to grips with “if I don’t stay with her, I might not get another chance for years?” It’s like a less extreme of an issue I’ve been thinking about lately. I can’t even find one woman to like me, but suppose I finally did find someone. What if I don’t like her back? I guess the right answer is to not stay with her if I don’t really care much …
/r/PurplePillDebate14/11/23 04:25 AM
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I don’t know much about this, but I feel like it’s important to find someone who specializes in autism if you have the condition. It’s a pretty significant factor that means most generic advice probably won’t be as effective.
/r/PurplePillDebate14/11/23 04:20 AM
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I like woolly mammoths if that counts.
/r/PurplePillDebate14/11/23 04:18 AM
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I think it still shows a fundamental disconnect though. She is right that women don’t really think much about unattractive men, and thus they aren’t judged in the same way unattractive women are. But she seems to conclude that this means unattractive men have it better. We don’t; we just have different issues. We ugly men struggle more with actually finding someone to find us attractive. Because even though ugly women may be judged harshly, there will still generally be some guy who finds her be…
/r/PurplePillDebate14/11/23 04:08 AM
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Very true
/r/PurplePillDebate14/11/23 04:03 AM
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I’m not surprised that you may have met plenty of 30 year olds who are still single, but I struggle to believe that they have never had a relationship before. That’s extremely uncommon by that age.
/r/PurplePillDebate13/11/23 04:59 PM
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“I know other people […] who didn’t have a relationship until their 30s.” You do? Where do these people hide? I’ve never met anyone except for me who has literally never even kissed a girl at my age, and I’m only 26. Maybe it’s a cultural thing? I live in the US for reference.
/r/PurplePillDebate13/11/23 04:54 PM
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It’s really sad. Positivity and kindness from women is so alien to some men that they just can’t wrap their heads around it.
/r/PurplePillDebate13/11/23 04:51 PM
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That’s a nice story. I’m happy that you gave an awkward guy a chance. I was kind of hoping it might inspire me with hope for something similar to happen to me, but I don’t think I could see it happening. Usually when you try to make small talk as an ugly/awkward guy, you just get stories like this that happen to you. I’m just gonna keep minding my business at bookstores I think. Again though, thank you for sharing, and I’m glad you’re one of the few good people out there.
/r/PurplePillDebate13/11/23 04:47 PM
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Did he ask you out? Or did you ask him out? And where did you two meet? I can kind of relate to the guy here, so I’m trying to figure out where I could even realistically meet a compatible woman.
/r/PurplePillDebate13/11/23 03:35 PM
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No one wants to look at the average man. Women rate most men below average in terms of looks.
/r/PurplePillDebate12/11/23 05:19 PM
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That’s the million dollar question. If we all agreed on what that was, this sub wouldn’t exist. Personally, I think you have to reach a certain looks threshold and also be decently charming or charismatic in some way. Both criteria are beyond my ability.
/r/PurplePillDebate12/11/23 04:41 PM
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For men, being desired by a woman either sexually or romantically is how we receive validation. Prostitutes do not desire their patrons; in fact they often detest them.
/r/PurplePillDebate12/11/23 07:03 AM
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But there isn’t an objective sense of humor. You can’t know you’re funny. You are only funny, by definition, if others find you funny. It’s similar with the feeling of validation surrounding being attractive. If you are not attracting anyone, then you are not attractive, by definition. No amount of feeling positive about oneself is going to change that facet. It’s not unhealthy to disagree lol. That’s some echo chamber/thought policing bs. To clarify, I’m not saying self confidence or self valid…
/r/PurplePillDebate12/11/23 06:09 AM
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And other people here have said you’re their type too. It doesn’t mean much. Plus, most other people rate me a 5 max.
/r/PurplePillDebate12/11/23 05:53 AM
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I fundamentally disagree with your second paragraph. Validation without an external component is just delusion. If I think I’m really funny and no one else does, am I funny? If I think I’m a good person and no one else does, how appealing am I really? It’s a necessary step to have someone else find something appealing in you before you can start working on putting to rest those insecurities. This is actually one of the things I think is fundamentally different for men and women. Both internal an…
/r/PurplePillDebate12/11/23 05:25 AM
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Bro, don’t act dense. Plenty of incels have hair. It’s not a magic solution to one’s problems, just like height isn’t.
/r/PurplePillDebate12/11/23 05:21 AM
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Please do. I’ve pretty much only seen the heat equation and the wave equation. Tfw it’s easier to solve a PDE than it is to get a date :((
/r/PurplePillDebate12/11/23 05:12 AM
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New pill just dropped. To get a woman, you just have to be a differentiale function bro
/r/PurplePillDebate12/11/23 05:07 AM
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Just have hair bro
/r/PurplePillDebate12/11/23 05:05 AM
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I don’t seek empathy to feel better about my situation personally. I seek empathy because virtually no women seem to understand why men feel so miserable about a lack of validation. I think it’s healthy for society if men and women can better understand each other. For instance, I’ve come to recognize that women don’t necessarily live life on easy mode just because they can get laid easily. I think it’s made me grow as a person, and it’s a shame that you don’t want women to gain similar insight …
/r/PurplePillDebate12/11/23 04:57 AM
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As OP spelled out, it’s a validation issue, not a sex issue. So no, paying for hookers isn’t going to help. They don’t actually want to fuck you; they just need money.
/r/PurplePillDebate12/11/23 04:46 AM
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I agreed with most of your points except this one. Plenty of men do die from loneliness in a way, as it’s a common cause of suicide. It’s a little disheartening to hear you downplay these feelings as men just being “emotional.” Kind of like how men often downplay women’s issues by calling them overly “emotional.”
/r/PurplePillDebate12/11/23 04:34 AM
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This study shuts down so many bluepilled arguments. This is huge tbh, and I’m surprised more people here aren’t talking about it. Thanks for sharing!
/r/PurplePillDebate12/11/23 04:25 AM
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Disagree tbh. I have most of the rest of my life sorted out except for a relationship. I’m still absolutely miserable.
/r/PurplePillDebate12/11/23 04:23 AM
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I think Jordan Peterson is just one of the few people who isn’t an incel to understand how much pain it’s causing men. He, like many of us, is searching desperately for some solution that could help those who are suffering, but sadly solutions as direct as that would be awful for women. So in a sense I don’t think he’s a horrible person for suggesting this; I just think it’s such an insidious problem in society that most of the would-be “solutions” are equally awful. Side note: this may be an ar…
/r/PurplePillDebate12/11/23 04:22 AM
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Same here, but Tinder just makes things worse instead of better.
/r/PurplePillDebate08/11/23 03:59 PM
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Same. I’ll echo what other people are saying though that it might be an issue with your diet. That’s what I’m gonna try to fix at least.
/r/PurplePillDebate08/11/23 03:35 PM
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FYI: it’s case in point
/r/PurplePillDebate08/11/23 03:21 PM
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Why are you wasting your time with Tinder in 2023?
/r/PurplePillDebate08/11/23 03:19 PM
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No, I’m unattractive. I would assume it’s just a prank if it ever happened to me.
/r/PurplePillDebate08/11/23 03:17 PM
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Saved this post for the next time some idiot on here tells me “it’s fine to approach! Just talk about some shared interest!” I hate these kinds of women. At least his friend was a bro for sticking up for him. Edit: story might just be rage bait, which makes me feel better. But the fact that quite a few of the top comments are agreeing with OP’s supposed behavior in this story is still alarming. It’s also not an entirely unbelievable story based on the way the average cretin on 2X acts.
/r/PurplePillDebate08/11/23 03:03 AM
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I agree that it’s different. I wasn’t the one asking a man if he could relate to female issues lol. But my point is that’s not really anywhere near the kind of difficulty we men have to face in dating. It doesn’t get any easier to find the right partner as a man. We have to deal with the issue of scarcity and still try to find someone compatible. There’s no woman who can really struggle to even find a guy interested in her, contrary to what “femcels” claim.
/r/AllPillDebate07/11/23 03:21 PM
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I’m here to spread incel awareness.
/r/PurplePillDebate06/11/23 03:42 PM
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Yes, beggars can’t be choosers.
/r/AllPillDebate06/11/23 02:03 PM
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You can, and a lot of the people here probably do. But they’re not actually incels, they’re volcels. As a truecel, I disagree with your second observation. I’d be ecstatic if an ugly woman were genuinely attracted to me. But no ugly woman ever wants an ugly man, so I never get the opportunity. I’m not rejecting them; they’re rejecting me.
/r/AllPillDebate05/11/23 10:37 PM
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Nah, there are just too many fakecels floating around. Back in the good ol’ days, we gatekept them from the communities. Now it’s all these average 18 year olds who are “blackpilled” because Stacy rejected them once. A truecel would try to make a relationship work with anyone who would give them a chance, but no woman will due to hypergamy.
/r/AllPillDebate05/11/23 10:36 PM
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To protect the world from devastation To unite all peoples within our nation To denounce the evils of truth and love To extend our reach to the stars above
/r/AllPillDebate05/11/23 10:10 PM
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I legit struggle to even believe the women who say they struggle with dating. Every woman I’ve ever known, whether attractive or not, could have a man at the snap of their fingers.
/r/AllPillDebate05/11/23 10:05 PM
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It is and it isn’t. On the one hand, Orthodoxy shares a lot of theology and apostolic traditions with Catholicism (veneration of Mary, praying for saints to intercede, church hierarchy, no sola scriptura etc). On the other hand, Protestantism inherits a lot of Western traditions from Catholicism still, like original sin, scholasticism, and I think the eschatology are similar, whereas Eastern traditions are quite different in these respects. And the priests have long beards. That’s a pretty signi…
/r/PurplePillDebate05/11/23 08:06 PM
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Okay, but don’t you see how that contradicts your previous assertion that women’s beauty standards are harsher. These people, as you say, receive loads of sexual attention after they transition. Maybe that doesn’t make life easier overall, but it does at least show that the beauty standards aren’t nearly as harsh. For a lot of trans women, they couldn’t meet the beauty standards as men, but they can meet the beauty standards as women, suggesting that those standards are lower or more attainable.
/r/PurplePillDebate05/11/23 05:34 PM
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Interesting. I searched this and probably found the study you’re referring to. It doesn’t seem to mesh well with my anecdotal experiences, but if more studies support these findings, then I am willing to accept that things are changing. However, the fact there ever was such an imbalance seems to agree with my overall point.
/r/PurplePillDebate05/11/23 05:25 PM
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Tfw you’re Orthodox Christian, so men still outnumber women in your parish :(
/r/PurplePillDebate05/11/23 04:49 PM
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Luckily, women with no boobs or hips can still get tons of men who find them attractive. Short, unattractive guys often can’t find anyone who thinks they’re attractive.
/r/PurplePillDebate05/11/23 04:38 PM
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I wish I lived in this same reverse reality you do. I’ve never met a woman who showed any signs of attraction to me, whereas I find women with pretty much all those characteristics attractive. I know I’m a sample of just one person, but every single metric we ever use to demonstrate how much less choosy men are never seems to be good enough for you people. You ignore the stats on online dating, you ignore the fact that there are way more male incels than female incels. I don’t know what could ma…
/r/PurplePillDebate05/11/23 03:56 PM
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Interestingly, there are many more MtF trans individuals than FtM trans folk. So clearly a lot of men are looking at women’s side of things and come to the same conclusion that maybe it’s a little easier over there. I think most of the cases where a trans person regrets transitioning are also in the FtM case, almost as if it’s worse being a man…
/r/PurplePillDebate05/11/23 03:51 PM
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Those actions are all things you have control over, so I’d argue that’s still easier. Male beauty standards are often tied to immutable genetics like face and height. Just about every woman can be beautiful with enough work put in; plenty of men are just unattractive and we can’t do anything about it.
/r/PurplePillDebate05/11/23 03:41 PM
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This sort of willful ignorance is the female version of men going “where is this misogyny that people talk about? I don’t see it anymore.”
/r/PurplePillDebate04/11/23 02:09 AM
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Lol women with autism are much more likely to be romantically paired than their male counterparts. I don’t know why people like you pretend that every male issue is always felt just as much by women. They are not.
/r/PurplePillDebate04/11/23 02:08 AM
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I don’t think it’s unimportant. A lot of short men are clearly struggling. Sure, maybe most end up with someone eventually, but that’s such a reductive view of the issue. I don’t think it’s unimportant if so many short men feel unwanted and miserable. I’m so tired of people using all these tactics to downplay how awful it is to not even have a chance at dating with many women.
/r/PurplePillDebate03/11/23 03:15 PM
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“So I’m not saying that women are lying.” I never said women were lying.
/r/PurplePillDebate03/11/23 03:09 PM
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Did you reply to the wrong comment? I didn’t say anything about it being over for all short men. I am responding to how people often dismiss short men’s struggles with dating by saying “oh, plenty of women just want a guy who’s taller.” It often isn’t this simple, and a lot of people don’t seem to realize how easy it is to get automatically disqualified by the average woman when you’re below 5’9.
/r/PurplePillDebate03/11/23 03:04 PM
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I don’t normally put too much stock into the redpill’s mantra of “watch what she does, not what she says,” but it came to mind while watching a video by Jubilee. So many women, especially on here, say that they just need a man to be taller than them. But how much can one trust that? How well can anyone really discern that well from across the room if someone is taller than they are or not? For example, in the video, the woman rates one of the men a 3 because it’s a “pet peeve” of hers when the g…
/r/PurplePillDebate03/11/23 02:45 PM
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Nope, even ugly women’s standards are too high. They only want some average or above. I’m a bottom-tier man, and even the unattractive women ignore me, both on apps and irl.
/r/PurplePillDebate02/11/23 02:43 PM
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She’s being polite for calling you a creep?
/r/PurplePillDebate01/11/23 02:05 PM
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^ Redditors when you say literally anything without a peer-reviewed study. Give me a break lol. Besides, I specifically narrowed my scope to the comment section of this particular thread. I didn’t even claim that most women worldwide dare like this (though I also feel pretty confident that is true). If you disagree with my assessment, feel free to scroll through the thread and compare the number of comments that would date a shy man and those that would not. Tally them up and report back to me.
/r/PurplePillDebate30/10/23 04:20 PM
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Okay, that’s based as long as you’re consistent about how you view shy people of either gender. I personally don’t view shy people in such a negative light, but I guess that’s just because I’m shy myself naturally.
/r/PurplePillDebate30/10/23 02:37 PM
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Yeah, I don’t get why people always bring up “personality” in contrast to looks when frankly, it’s mostly just as set in stone as looks. Hell, it’s probably easier to change your looks than your personality. If you’re born the wrong way, you end up alone, that’s how it is for men.
/r/PurplePillDebate30/10/23 02:36 PM
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Respectfully disagree. I’ve been trying for years to fix my shyness. I’ve gotten better at socializing, but I’m still fundamentally a shy person.
/r/PurplePillDebate30/10/23 02:32 PM
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forcing young, healthy people get vaccines despite them being healthy Uhhhh yeah? That’s what vaccines are meant for? They’re not meant for people who are already sick; they’re designed to make sure a healthy person does not get sick.
/r/PurplePillDebate30/10/23 07:11 AM
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Do you feel similar levels of irritation and distaste for shy women? Do you view them as cowards and “statues” too?
/r/PurplePillDebate30/10/23 07:00 AM
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Preach
/r/PurplePillDebate30/10/23 06:58 AM
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Tfw you’re 26 and still awkward. Oh well, I already knew it was over for me. I just wish genetic dead ends like me didn’t have to go through life. If I could’ve clocked out at 18, that would have been better.
/r/PurplePillDebate30/10/23 06:55 AM
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That said, most of the comments from women here also express a similar feeling of not being attracted to shy men. It makes sense, since dating is a social activity, but it still fucking sucks that you just lack one of the most validating experiences of being a human just because you can’t help being shy.
/r/PurplePillDebate30/10/23 06:50 AM
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It’s funny that people always tell us shy guys to just go after shy women since they’re more similar. The issue is that shy women and extroverted women both tend to prefer outgoing men. It’s like height: short women and tall women both prefer (usually) tall men, leaving the short men with nobody. So if you’re short and shy, you’re really fucked.
/r/PurplePillDebate30/10/23 06:46 AM
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Thank you for demonstrating how shitty and unsympathetic to lonely men people can be. This is actually a good way to counter OP’s claim by demonstrating one of the things society can do to help the issue: encourage and promote care and understanding over rude generalizations and hatred like your comment.
/r/PurplePillDebate29/10/23 09:25 PM
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Try to get better at empathizing. You can be a better person than this.
/r/PurplePillDebate29/10/23 09:20 PM
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“We do understand the problem.” Proceeds to demonstrate a complete misunderstanding of the problem.
/r/PurplePillDebate29/10/23 09:19 PM
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There are plenty of things society could do to help lonely men that don’t involve removing women’s autonomy or instituting Sharia law. I don’t know why we always take the most insane incel ideas like state-mandated waifus as if they’re the only possible thing that can be done. People seem to really lack creativity on this issue.
/r/PurplePillDebate29/10/23 09:16 PM
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Most men don’t put effort into their pictures because it’s not rewarded. Women put effort into their pictures because it is rewarded. It’s really as simple as that.
/r/PurplePillDebate29/10/23 09:12 PM
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I fully agree, but the conversation here is currently about online dating lol. That’s why it’s being brought up.
/r/PurplePillDebate29/10/23 09:09 PM
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Women don’t have to lower their standards, but it’s probably a good exercise in self awareness to realize that their standards are indeed often high. They might be less likely to come up with bs theories like “maybe the men are just struggling because their photos suck.”
/r/PurplePillDebate29/10/23 09:08 PM
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Lol he’s not berating them for taking selfies. And he’s probably not talking about the high-effort ones where she looks nice. Hell, he’s probably not even complaining at all. People seem to have forgotten what OP claimed. OP is suggesting that one possible reason that men don’t get matched online is because of low quality pictures. But if that were a significant factor, then it would stand to reason that plenty of women would struggle getting matches too, since there are also a lot of profiles w…
/r/PurplePillDebate29/10/23 09:05 PM
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No, it’s because you’re good looking. Cut the BS. The competition on online dating is insane. You have to at least clear the looks threshold before anything else matters.
/r/PurplePillDebate28/10/23 07:15 AM
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No worries bro, there’s plenty of other things for the ladies not to like. One more won’t make a difference.
/r/PurplePillDebate27/10/23 06:14 AM
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Crying myself to sleep like normal.
/r/PurplePillDebate27/10/23 06:14 AM
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Always knew my voice was high-pitched, but I measured it today and realized just how bad it was. New insecurity unlocked.
/r/PurplePillDebate27/10/23 06:09 AM
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It genuinely makes me a little sad to see you so enthusiastic about this kind of stuff. I guess it’s good that you’re happy at least.
/r/PurplePillDebate27/10/23 06:04 AM
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How is that not privilege? Let’s consider another scenario to see if we’re on the same page about privilege. Two young kids are virtually identical, and both really want a pony for Christmas. The one has rich parents, while the other is dirt poor. So when the former asks for a pony, his parents give it to him, no questions asked. Whereas the other is told that it’s unreasonable to expect something so extravagant when his parents can barely put food on the table. The rich kid is surely privileged…
/r/AllPillDebate27/10/23 02:06 AM
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I appreciate the kind intent. But what I’m trying to say is that I may be a 5/10 facially, but they ignore the fact that I’m also short and high-pitched. That has to drop me down to at least a 3/10.
/r/PurplePillDebate27/10/23 01:38 AM
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Dude, it’s like 51% men to 49% women or something. It’s really not that. I don’t think transparently polygynous relationships are common enough to contribute, but it is highly possible that men who date multiple women in secret could be contributing.
/r/PurplePillDebate27/10/23 01:05 AM
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I guess my point is just that the pic doesn’t really fully capture how fucked I am when seen in person. It’s not obvious that I’m short or high-pitched from that. There are probably some other visual things that a picture doesn’t fully showcase as well.
/r/PurplePillDebate27/10/23 01:03 AM
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Your highest was my lowest. I’m fucked. I’m barely even a real man.
/r/PurplePillDebate27/10/23 01:00 AM
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I’ve posted on alts to the rating subs, and even the “brutally honest” ones always sugarcoat too much. They tell me I’m like a 5/10, and maybe my face is, but I’m short with a squeaky voice, so there’s no way I’m above a 3/10.
/r/PurplePillDebate27/10/23 12:49 AM
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I’m kind of glad this exists. People always seem to gloss over how unattractive high pitched voices on men are, and I unironically think it’s at least part of the reason why I’m an incel. For the record, I got an average of 140 Hz. It never began for me.
/r/PurplePillDebate27/10/23 12:43 AM
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Mine was 140. Fucking kill me.
/r/PurplePillDebate27/10/23 12:42 AM
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Yeah, it all depends on context and setting. I’m in academia, specifically math, and most of my female colleagues are in relationships, whereas most of my male ones are not. I imagine it might be totally different in another setting or context. What is weird though is that it still seems like most of the time, women are more likely to be in relationships than men. I can’t really figure out what’s causing this, other than potentially their propensity to date older men, leaving the current young g…
/r/PurplePillDebate27/10/23 12:40 AM
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Tbf it’s probably different people. You win some over with the low hanging fruit, and you win others over by geeking out and actually putting in some effort into your claim. And now I’m realizing I’m agreeing with someone who’s insanitymaxxed, which probably isn’t a good sign for my mental health…
/r/PurplePillDebate27/10/23 12:36 AM
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Women don’t make fun of incels??? Bitch, what planet do you live on?
/r/AllPillDebate26/10/23 02:20 AM
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Not to mention that OP literally posted several links right at the beginning of the post showcasing how much more women shame men for having preferences.
/r/AllPillDebate26/10/23 02:17 AM
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The context here isn’t “who can get away with having preferences and still find a partner.” We’re talking about who is “allowed” to have preferences in the sense of not facing social backlash for expressing them. You didn’t address this at all. All you’ve managed to point out is that women are privileged in the SMP, which most of us already knew.
/r/AllPillDebate26/10/23 02:15 AM
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I really want to. Looks fun as hell!
/r/PurplePillDebate26/10/23 01:24 AM
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Interesting. I knew there was a distinction, but I thought it was more of a subset type of thing. As in, not every Protestant is an Evangelical, but every Evangelical is a Protestant. I can’t even be bothered to look at Wikipedia for this though, so I’ll take your word on it. Every church started after 1054 is Protestant to me anyway lol.
/r/PurplePillDebate25/10/23 03:46 PM
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Wait, I thought evangelicals were a type of Protestant? I’m Orthodox, so I have trouble understanding all these various splits.
/r/PurplePillDebate25/10/23 02:24 PM
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Good question. It’s hard to narrow down the exact cause, which is why some incels think it’s 100% looks. I’m not that simple-minded, but it certainly doesn’t help that I’m 5’5, can’t grow facial hair, have a childish voice, and have a droopy eye. Besides that, what’s probably the biggest issue for me is social anxiety. I’ve been working on it for years, and I’m finally starting to see some small progress, but it’s an uphill battle with a limited social network and little interpersonal relationsh…
/r/PurplePillDebate25/10/23 02:21 PM
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I dunno, I’m a straight guy, but I’ve recognized that it’s unlikely I’ll ever be wanted in any capacity. I considered going to a gay bar just to be hit on and desired for sex. I feel like it would be pretty nice if I got that sort of experience throughout my life, especially from the sex I’m attracted to.
/r/PurplePillDebate25/10/23 03:15 AM
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I used to think it would be way worse to be a betabux than to be alone. Turns out, being alone for your entire adult life can actually be much, much worse than you think it is. So while I doubt my career path will make me enough money to attract a gold-digger, I’ve realized now that I’m too low-value to hope for anything better.
/r/PurplePillDebate25/10/23 02:55 AM
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What’s so wrong with discussing incel issues? Whenever one of us brings up the fact that we’re virgins, our issues are dismissed out of hand for some reason. As someone who is a hopeless virgin, I kind of agree with OP. I’m starting to develop ED, but I literally don’t care. I’m clearly not going to ever have real sex, so it doesn’t matter one iota.
/r/PurplePillDebate23/10/23 06:31 AM
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I think my friends are mostly just really busy. One of the other challenges of getting older. The other key component is having lots of friends, as you said, not just some friends. Maybe I’m pessimistic, but I don’t know if it’s really possible for socially anxious people to get to the point where they have a huge social circle. It’s definitely possible to improve and change in small ways for the better, but even therapists have told me that it’s unrealistic to expect that I’ll become the life o…
/r/PurplePillDebate22/10/23 03:40 PM
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I’m just teasing you lol.
/r/PurplePillDebate22/10/23 05:04 AM
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I think I worded this poorly, which may have caused the confusion. I meant loads of parties as well. My friend group still has parties obviously, but it’s not like it’s something that happens every month.
/r/PurplePillDebate22/10/23 02:08 AM
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Couldn’t help but read that in Ron Howard’s voice.
/r/PurplePillDebate22/10/23 02:02 AM
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Fully agree that anyone who complains about attractive people getting sex and attraction easier is immature and possibly stupid. This is like the second time I think I’ve seen you post using picture examples of ultra hot Instathots. I like looking at them too, but let’s not be horny on main.
/r/PurplePillDebate22/10/23 01:44 AM
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This sadly checks out. Every drug addict I’ve known does exceptionally well with women. Kind of alarming, but it’s not really my concern.
/r/PurplePillDebate22/10/23 01:40 AM
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I feel like people bring this up a lot, and I believed it back when I had virtually no friends. But now that I do have a growing social circle, I just don’t buy it. You’d have to have a social circle full of extroverts with loads of friends and/or parties for this to happen. I don’t really meet people through my friends generally, and I’m not about to hit on a friend (most are taken anyway).
/r/PurplePillDebate22/10/23 01:30 AM
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Tinder and its consequences have been a disaster for the human race.
/r/PurplePillDebate21/10/23 01:35 AM
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As someone who is blackpilled, I also hate people who use the ideology as an excuse to not even try. The blackpill shouldn’t be used as an excuse, but merely as an explanation. Like, I’ve tried most of the cliched advice that both the bluepill and the redpill give, so why isn’t it working? That’s where the blackpill comes in: I was merely born with a massive disadvantage compared to most men. I keep trying anyway, hoping that somehow even a short, socially stunted guy like me can find someone to…
/r/PurplePillDebate21/10/23 01:25 AM
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I’ve felt this way from my teenage years to now at age 26, during times when I did and didn’t work out. And I’m a virgin.
/r/PurplePillDebate20/10/23 01:32 PM
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Imagine a woman literally ever doing or saying these things for you lmao. It never began.
/r/AllPillDebate20/10/23 01:39 AM
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This video gave me nostalgia, which is kind of sad. I remember seeing the original video however many years ago it came out (God, it must be at least 5 years old by now).
/r/AllPillDebate20/10/23 01:37 AM
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If you don’t mind my asking, how did you get blackpilled? I’ve seen your comments before, and I’m always blown away by how based they are. I’m just shocked and almost confused because I’ve literally never seen a woman who was blackpilled before.
/r/AllPillDebate20/10/23 01:26 AM
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Fair enough. I do vaguely remember reading that this has been observed in the literature, so I’ll concede this one. I guess I’m just surprised by it, is all.
/r/PurplePillDebate20/10/23 01:12 AM
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Dude, I’m a serious porn addict who can’t go more than two days without it. But I still find like 80% of the women I meet attractive. I don’t buy into this message that it makes men’s standards go through the roof.
/r/PurplePillDebate19/10/23 11:50 PM
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I just wanted to say that you are like legitimately one of the nicest people on this godforsaken subreddit. People are extremely hostile here, especially to men struggling with loneliness, so I really appreciate your comments being a breath of fresh air.
/r/PurplePillDebate19/10/23 02:18 AM
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Lol I wouldn’t hold my breath. If anything, I think self-awareness can contribute to anxiety in social situations, which is a huge detriment to dating success.
/r/PurplePillDebate19/10/23 01:34 AM
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Not the desperate men. Desperate men will go for anyone who gives them the time of day.
/r/PurplePillDebate18/10/23 03:51 AM
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Well okay, I should add the caveat that I will date anyone if it’s ethical. Taking advantage of a meth head seems like a pretty awful thing to do.
/r/PurplePillDebate18/10/23 03:00 AM
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Thank you for bringing an actual balanced, reasonable take into this thread. This thread got me pretty depressed for a hot second, but it’s reassuring to know not everyone is this degrading towards men.
/r/PurplePillDebate18/10/23 01:54 AM
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I already said I had zero standards, so yes. I’m at the bottom of the totem pole, so I can’t afford to be choosy.
/r/PurplePillDebate18/10/23 01:41 AM
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You people are straight up delusional lol. Whatever reality is, you invert it just for the sake of debate. Plenty of men, like me, have zero standards. The reason we’re single is because women would rather be alone than date someone like us, as OP stated. If women had lower standards, then all men would be dating. Disclaimer: I am not advocating that women lower their standards to date men they find unattractive. I am simply stating that women’s standards are, whether you like it or not, the rea…
/r/PurplePillDebate18/10/23 01:02 AM
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I wouldn’t say that I’m not delusional or hateful; it’s just different. A bitter truth that most people don’t want to acknowledge is that if someone is this lonely, they almost always become hateful in some way. Sometimes it’s directed outwards at women, and other times it’s directed inwards at oneself. I usually direct my hate at myself. Now, this isn’t to say it’s impossible to not have any hate. I do even have some periods of time where I reach this ideal state. But it is exceptionally hard. …
/r/PurplePillDebate17/10/23 02:46 AM
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You make me feel so special.
/r/PurplePillDebate17/10/23 02:42 AM
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First of all, thank you for taking the time to write out such a detailed response. I wasn’t really looking for advice, as I was mainly looking to dispel the reasons OP outlined for why some men are alone. However, it’s still pretty handy to have such a thorough list of potential roadblocks. I’ll reply to some of them, but the TLDR is that I try my best, but I’m not perfect by any means. I think we lonely men get held to a higher standard because the second there’s any flaw, someone points out “a…
/r/PurplePillDebate17/10/23 02:39 AM
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I have no standards. Only one that’s a little true, but I’m more resentful towards women in the abstract. I never hold any ill will toward a particular woman. Again, I have no standards. Would I be happy with a trad wife? Sure. Would I be happy with a progressive woman? Also fine. I have been trying to get dates for about a decade. Fuck off. I do not wish unhappiness or especially loneliness on anyone. It’s a miserable experience.
/r/PurplePillDebate16/10/23 06:02 AM
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I think lonely men should try anything and everything to feel better, so I agree. The downside is that once you have tried everything, life feels even more hopeless.
/r/AllPillDebate13/10/23 09:40 PM
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That’s fair. I wouldn’t either, which is why I’m frustrated that I can’t find it. But like I said, I’ll let you know if I do. Just been busy lately (and depressed).
/r/AllPillDebate13/10/23 09:29 PM
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Suifuel for incels tbh. It’s funny how many copers will tell us that women aren’t sexual. No, they just aren’t sexual for losers like us. I love and respect women.
/r/PurplePillDebate13/10/23 04:22 PM
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Ah see, when you’re not intentionally trying to make yourself sound awful, you come across quite nice. I’m happy you have a nice partner. I think it’s pretty difficult to rate effectively how desirable of a person we are, so I rely on lived experience to determine that. No woman has ever wanted me, which means I am the very bottom of the barrel. It hurts a lot to realize this, but it’s reality unfortunately. I think most people find me boring. I’m mainly into learning about medieval history, but…
/r/PurplePillDebate13/10/23 05:55 AM
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I’m sorry to hear you’re struggling. It sounds like you’re really hard on yourself about it. I think it’s good to recognize your faults, but it’s also really important to have compassion. Like you said, you’re trying you’re best. I believe it’ll get better for you. No way I could do better. If anything, you’re probably out of my league. I’m 26 and still just sharing an apartment with others, I’m short and unmanly, boring and awkward. There’s a reason no woman has ever wanted to be with me. I’m a…
/r/PurplePillDebate13/10/23 05:42 AM
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We’d probably be a bad combo since I’m also a bit messy, but yes I would 100% date this completely hypothetical woman. Honestly the fact that she works a job she cares about seems really sweet.
/r/PurplePillDebate13/10/23 05:22 AM
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I think it just doesn’t track because we’re trying to understand why we’re unwanted. A lot of the advice we hear from women is stuff we already do, so it doesn’t make sense why we’re alone. The blackpill and redpill will tell men they’re alone for reasons that do seem more plausible at least since most of us aren’t tall, rich, hot, or assertive or whatever.
/r/PurplePillDebate13/10/23 03:00 AM
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Tbh I’m struggling to find it for some reason. I was made aware of it because of a streamer who has experience in the mental health industry, so I trust her on its existence. I assume Costello is likely an author, since he is one of the first people I think of who is doing insightful research into incels at the moment. I’ll let you know if I do manage to find it. I’m pretty sure it is about incels specifically.
/r/AllPillDebate13/10/23 02:37 AM
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I legitimately find like 80% of the women I see on a daily basis to be attractive. And even if I don’t find them attractive, I’d have to hope that maybe with familiarity I can come to be aroused by them. There will always be desperate men out there for any woman who believes she’s undesirable.
/r/PurplePillDebate13/10/23 01:26 AM
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Yes, I would be happy to try to make things work with any woman, whether she’s obese, autistic, or whatever trait you can think of. I am unwanted, so it would be delusional to turn down any chance at forming a relationship I can get. Beggars can’t be choosers. I think it demonstrates what I said about women being incapable of reaching the same level of desperation as men because so many women genuinely can’t even fathom this kind of loneliness. They always have options. I’m surprised that this i…
/r/PurplePillDebate13/10/23 01:24 AM
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I’ll be honest, I think most lonely guys really are hoping there’s some miracle cure they haven’t heard yet. But deep down, we know there’s nothing new we haven’t heard before. That’s actually the real blackpill in my eyes. A lot of us have tried all the advice we hear, and for some of us, it just doesn’t work. We’re either too ugly, too socially handicapped, or have some other fundamental flaw that we can’t surmount. It’s not women’s jobs to magically heal these flaws, but it does feel frustrat…
/r/PurplePillDebate13/10/23 01:11 AM
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Undesirable women are like cryptids. Loads of crazy people online claim they’re out there, hiding under our noses, yet I’ve never seen a single one. In fact, by definition they can’t exist: if you show me a woman who believes she’s undesirable, I will desire her. Men will always be more desperate than women. If women could be equally desperate, then there wouldn’t be any lonely people; all the desperate men and women would just pair up. So I’ll replace “undesirable” here with “less desirable”. M…
/r/PurplePillDebate13/10/23 12:57 AM
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It’s really just the disparities in dating and views on sex that lead to us not being able to relate to the opposite sex; we’re pretty similar in most other ways. The gap in empathy is exacerbated by the fact that although both men and women have issues, both feel that the other sex’s issues would be a solution to their own problems. Namely, men receive no attention whatsoever and crave the constant validation that women receive. Women are bombarded with suitors who are only interested in sex or…
/r/PurplePillDebate13/10/23 12:50 AM
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That’s kind of a separate discussion. I wasn’t really talking about they “why” of incels not attracting women. The topic of the post was that you need to be liked to be considered likeable, and I was piggybacking off that to mention how an uncomfortable corollary of this is that incels are by definition unlikable people. I wasn’t really asking for a guide on how to get out of inceldom lol.
/r/PurplePillDebate12/10/23 02:06 AM
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Sure, but dating is never easy. The point is that they have options to work with and a chance to find happiness if they work hard enough. Men, especially unattractive men, do not have those opportunities at all.
/r/AllPillDebate12/10/23 01:59 AM
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It’s also a known fact that lonely men (or it might be incels specifically) report far lower feelings of satisfaction with therapy than other groups. So it’s not like all these men aren’t going to therapy out of shame; plenty are probably just aware that it simply does not work for them.
/r/AllPillDebate12/10/23 01:46 AM
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Pretend for the sake of argument that 90% of men on Tinder want just sex. Then since most women (even ugly women) can easily get 100 matches in no time at all, then that’s an expected 10 men who are legitimate prospects. That’s probably 10 times the number of opportunities this hypothetical woman’s male counterpart could muster.
/r/AllPillDebate12/10/23 01:33 AM
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We incels have been saying this for years, but people just assume everything that comes out of our mouths is nonsense, and it gets discarded out of hand. We are unlovable because no one has (or presumably ever will) love us. But then someone always comes around and says some bs about how we just need to love ourselves first or some crap.
/r/PurplePillDebate12/10/23 01:02 AM
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Jfl you have to be tall even to betabux these days. Giga over for shortcels.
/r/AllPillDebate11/10/23 02:48 AM
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I do plenty of things I enjoy. It doesn’t change the fact that it feels hollow and meaningless without a girlfriend.
/r/AllPillDebate11/10/23 02:42 AM
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Men want to fuck most women, but that’s because they do actually find most women attractive. This is a big difference between men and women. I’d only say the compliments are not genuine if the guy is saying things like “you’re the hottest woman here.” It’s possible that he means that, but more likely that he’s just trying to get in your pants. But if he’s complimenting a particular feature, even if he compliments lord of women on that, it’s probably just because he does genuinely find that featu…
/r/PurplePillDebate10/10/23 01:45 PM
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I struggle to believe any kind of personality is ever more important than looks. Your personality usually doesn’t matter at all unless you’re at least attractive enough to get her attention in the first place, for which you generally need to meet her looks threshold. If you’re ugly and don’t meet most women’s looks threshold, then having a “generous” personality won’t matter at all. You can’t provide for a girl if there’s no one to provide for.
/r/PurplePillDebate10/10/23 01:16 PM
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I’ve got a while before unaliving, for better or for worse. I’m gonna stick around til my parents are gone, and my grandparents are still alive. So it’ll probably be a while before I go.
/r/PurplePillDebate08/10/23 08:58 PM
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Brutal. Appreciate the honesty though. I don’t think being short is necessarily a death sentence, but you have to have so much to compensate for it. I definitely don’t, so I think it’s pretty safe to say it’s over for me.
/r/PurplePillDebate08/10/23 08:12 PM
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Been trying to get better at talking to people for about 8 years. Still suck at it. I can assure you that being scrawny is undesirable to a lot of women. It makes me look less masculine. I’ve even encountered a decent amount of women who would prefer a fat guy over a skinny one. I’m 5’5.
/r/PurplePillDebate08/10/23 07:21 PM
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Yeah, I’m worried about getting addicted too. I’ve also got an addictive personality type.
/r/PurplePillDebate08/10/23 07:10 PM
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How is it not true though? I think less than 5% of people are still virgins at this age, and I imagine most of them are virgins by choice like monks. Most people experience as teenagers the things I still only dream about. The older I get, the more women are going to expect that I should have my shit figured out, and I wouldn’t blame them if they didn’t have the patience to put up with a guy who’s experiencing things for the first time they figured out over a decade ago.
/r/PurplePillDebate08/10/23 07:06 PM
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The bar could be on the floor and I’d still probably fail to get over it. I have nothing to offer women. It hurts, but it’s the truth I’ve come to realize.
/r/PurplePillDebate08/10/23 07:01 PM
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I appreciate the suggestion, but the root cause of my depression is not being wanted. The lack of kisses and sex are a symptom of that, not the cause. Though I do sometimes wonder if experiencing a simulation of desire (GFE) could at least make me feel better. It’s something worth considering, and I might bite the bullet and give it a try by the time I’m 30.
/r/PurplePillDebate08/10/23 06:58 PM
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I don’t know tbh. I think at some point it’s wiser to just cut one’s losses and accept the way things are. I’ve been banging my head against the wall metaphorically for the past several years trying to improve the areas where I’m lacking, but I have little to show for it all. It can sound harsh when others say things like that, but I think it’s more of a mercy than to hold on to hope for years only to be disappointed again and again by life.
/r/PurplePillDebate08/10/23 06:55 PM
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I’m short, scrawny, and I struggle with talking to people.
/r/PurplePillDebate08/10/23 06:35 PM
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Appreciate the optimism, but I’m 26 and it hasn’t happened yet. It’s very likely that it’ll never happen. If it makes you feel any better, my parents had me fairly young. I probably will have to stick around until my 60s or so.
/r/PurplePillDebate08/10/23 05:04 PM
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I mean, I feel like I have a pretty good idea of the signs that a woman is not interested. The problem is that we never get any signs of the opposite, that a woman does want you to talk to her.
/r/PurplePillDebate08/10/23 04:10 PM
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Maybe the real downie was me the whole time.
/r/AllPillDebate08/10/23 04:02 PM
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That wasn’t apparent from the video to me. Why is it expected that we’re so terminally online that we know the backstory of every TikToker?
/r/AllPillDebate08/10/23 03:47 PM
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Well, you were appealing to a religion to go against mainstream science which does absolutely stress how detrimental a lack of intimacy can be to one’s emotional well-being. That sounds a bit like imposing a worldview to me, and it’s humorously similar to the behavior of religious fundamentalists.
/r/PurplePillDebate08/10/23 03:45 PM
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“Volcel if you wouldn’t be with this 8/10 chick” No shit?
/r/AllPillDebate08/10/23 03:32 PM
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Interesting, I’ve never seen a Buddhist imperiously imposing their worldview on others. Normally it’s a Christian or Muslim thing. I guess every faith has its annoying members.
/r/PurplePillDebate08/10/23 03:23 PM
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I hear stories about guys who can slay with their personality all the time on Reddit, but I have literally never seen this happen irl. I feel like I live on a different planet sometimes.
/r/PurplePillDebate08/10/23 03:00 PM
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If I haven’t ever been kissed by the time my parents die, I’ll probably kill myself. The only reason I haven’t already is that it would devastate my parents, so once they’re gone, I’ll finally be free. I don’t find life worth living if you’re unwanted and alone.
/r/PurplePillDebate08/10/23 02:46 PM
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Uh, I do, I guess.
/r/AllPillDebate07/10/23 04:40 AM
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That’s based, dude. I remember so many people thought inkwells were some white supremacist group for a while, which is so funny when you know the reality of how diverse we are.
/r/PurplePillDebate07/10/23 03:52 AM
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It’s just nice to know we’re living on the same planet as them lol. Sometimes it feels like an incel could say the sky is blue, and then a woman would say “yikes, this is why you’re inkwell. It’s actually not always blue, sweaty.”
/r/AllPillDebate07/10/23 03:46 AM
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For real. Nothing else before or after comes close.
/r/PurplePillDebate07/10/23 03:44 AM
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It’s okay. It doesn’t scratch quite the same itch though. Maybe because the rules are stricter there (no generalizations allowed). Or maybe it’s just because the incel subs were funnier. But I do agree that the people are more reasonable there. The more reasonable a virgin, the more miserable and joyless. The pinnacle of that is the forever alone sub, where everyone is very fair and understanding toward others, and likewise it’s the most soulless discussions usually.
/r/PurplePillDebate07/10/23 03:23 AM
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I miss the incel subreddits tbh. The only forums left are the batshit crazy ones like .is or whatever. Believe it or not, not all of us are completely unhinged, and some of the subs (like incels without hate) were pretty calm. They were hilarious too, but now we have no place left to be except infesting subreddits like this that clearly don’t want us.
/r/PurplePillDebate07/10/23 02:05 AM
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I legitimately get so excited whenever I stumble on a woman who agrees with anything the blackpill has to say. It’s seriously so rare, but also so validating when someone finally acknowledges these talking points that so many women routinely reject.
/r/AllPillDebate07/10/23 01:41 AM
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Girl smiles at you at a bar Yeah, this literally never happens for some of us. Ever. What are we supposed to do then? Just sit around and do nothing?
/r/PurplePillDebate07/10/23 01:08 AM
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I went to a lot of parties in undergrad to try to break out of my shell, but it never worked. I’m too socially awkward, and struggle too much to make conversation, even when intoxicated. Definitely never got me close to getting laid. I’m happy it worked well for you though.
/r/PurplePillDebate05/10/23 02:15 AM
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It’s clear by the fact that they receive next to no upvotes that they don’t reflect many men’s opinions though. Who the fuck cares about the occasional nut jobs that seep through the cracks?
/r/PurplePillDebate05/10/23 01:52 AM
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It helps me vent when I’m depressed about my issues with absolutely no one finding me attractive. And I’m pretty much depressed about that every day, so I inhabit this space more than I should.
/r/PurplePillDebate04/10/23 03:13 AM
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Lmao “saucy wenches” But realistically if I went to a Renaissance fair, my experience would be the same as 90% of the times I try to put myself out there. I would show up, not talk to anyone, leave, and want to kms. Obviously I can’t make friends if I don’t talk to people, but I just can’t get the hang of it.
/r/PurplePillDebate30/09/23 04:22 AM
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I’m passionate about my work (math research), which is male-dominated; medieval history, also male-dominated; and video games, which don’t take me out of the house. Edit: forgot the context of this message, which wasn’t about dating but friendships in general. The bigger issue there is that I’m just too socially stunted. Doing things I enjoy doesn’t change anything.
/r/PurplePillDebate30/09/23 03:57 AM
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But you recognize it’s a detriment to your life. Otherwise, you wouldn’t have brought it up when comparing the state of our lives.
/r/PurplePillDebate30/09/23 03:39 AM
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There was a post here today about social circles. The thing is, I already know that this is the strongest way to get into a relationship, and the only one likely to work for an unattractive guy like me. But the thing is, that’s exactly why I know it’s hopeless for me. I’ve been trying for years to get better at socializing, and my progress is so minimal. I always struggle to just make conversation with people. Plus, I don’t have any hobbies that would take me out of the house, so I have to force…
/r/PurplePillDebate30/09/23 03:36 AM
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For real? I can’t tell if you’re trolling. Why not?
/r/PurplePillDebate30/09/23 03:29 AM
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Everyone has their struggles, and I didn’t mean to imply that your life was ideal. For instance, I’ve had major depressive disorder and used to struggle with self harm and suicidal ideation. But having a significant other can help someone endure those things and give you a reason to keep fighting. I hope you can overcome your substance abuse issues.
/r/PurplePillDebate30/09/23 03:23 AM
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Aww, the redemption arc! I remember a while ago you commented saying you hated incels. I don’t hate you either. Your life just makes me depressed because I’ll never have what you have.
/r/PurplePillDebate30/09/23 03:16 AM
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I think the difference is that he already has the validation that my ex lacked Reading this made me feel pretty invalid as an unattractive guy. It’s a vicious cycle, and we all contribute to it.
/r/PurplePillDebate30/09/23 03:08 AM
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Same. I would’ve killed myself five years ago if I didn’t feel guilty about how it would make my parents feel.
/r/PurplePillDebate27/09/23 05:58 AM
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Yeah, I can’t really come to peace with the unfairness either. I’ve been poisoning my mind lately by observing too much how easy it is for attractive guys. I have been trying bit by bit to go out of my comfort zone, but I haven’t had any success yet, as the post suggests. I hope theatre can provide you some happiness at least. No one deserves to feel this way.
/r/PurplePillDebate27/09/23 05:47 AM
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This forum has made me more convinced— I’ll stop you right there, chief. I wouldn’t base much of any of your opinions on life from this forum. This forum is inhabited by insanely broken losers like me who haven’t touched grass in 20 years, not well-adjusted normal people. We are not a good representation of the real world.
/r/PurplePillDebate27/09/23 05:44 AM
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Ah, that was my issue. I was only eating 5. Thank you for the advice; my depression should be cleared up in no time.
/r/PurplePillDebate27/09/23 05:39 AM
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How many eggs do I have to eat before I stop crying?
/r/PurplePillDebate27/09/23 05:37 AM
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I hate being a man. I just want someone to want me. Every day is painful. Nothing I do seems to make me any less invisible. I’m just so tired of it all.
/r/PurplePillDebate27/09/23 05:32 AM
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A million dollars isn’t rich. Lol first of all: gold digger moment. That’s like 95th percentile of wealth even in America. Something something women’s extreme standards… Secondly, are you saying that if he were like a billionaire or something, it would be more excusable? And unrelated to that comment, I don’t really care what value judgments you’re passing on the women answering this way. The fact is that they exist. Without any proof, we can’t assume anything about their mental health or behavi…
/r/PurplePillDebate24/09/23 01:47 PM
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Tfw you’re 5’5 🙃 Lol but seriously, my comment wasn’t just in regards to when it’s “over” so to speak. I think hot 5’7/5’8 guys will do fine, but still probably not as well as most tall men do without much effort.
/r/PurplePillDebate24/09/23 01:37 PM
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I think it’s hard to say whether it’s harder or not. But I think that’s distracting from the more important point that lesbian incels do indeed exist and that we actually share our struggles. I can’t stand most “femcels” because they’re straight women who act like they have the same struggles as incels, when the reality couldn’t be further from the truth. But lesbian femcels? Oh yeah, I totally empathize with that struggle. Women are extremely picky and hypergamous, and you’re one of the few wom…
/r/AllPillDebate24/09/23 05:47 AM
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Always could be worse. Could be posting 5 times a day on IncelTears.
/r/AllPillDebate24/09/23 05:33 AM
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For real. I don’t want money, I want a wife whom I love.
/r/AllPillDebate24/09/23 05:29 AM
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Also lists “boys that lie and overshoot their height.” Like gee, I wonder why they might do that lmao
/r/AllPillDebate24/09/23 05:20 AM
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I would have done it back when I was 21, but sadly it would hurt my family too much, and I care about them a lot. So I’m sticking around, trying to ignore the pain as best I can until it’s all over. If you can, I recommend trying to make others’ lives less miserable. It’s one of the few things I’ve found to truly help me feel less miserable.
/r/AllPillDebate24/09/23 05:18 AM
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Two things: It can be equally difficult for some people to make friends. Some people are autistic, painfully socially anxious, shut-ins, have extremely niche interests, and so on. It’s insensitive to act like it’s as simple as “just go find some friends then!” Even if you do have friends, they’re not a cure for romantic loneliness. Sure, it can and usually does help somewhat, but some of us have a hole in our heart that friends simply can’t fill. We need this to be happy.
/r/AllPillDebate24/09/23 05:16 AM
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This is why men don’t approach. Plenty of us pretty much never get these signals.
/r/PurplePillDebate24/09/23 04:57 AM
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I was kind of with you until you said 5’11 lol. That’s way too extreme. I’d say it’s more like 5’8 or so. If you’re below that height, then yeah you could be hot as hell and still less attractive than a lanky tall guy.
/r/PurplePillDebate24/09/23 04:53 AM
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Holy shit, I needed that laugh. Thank you.
/r/PurplePillDebate24/09/23 04:45 AM
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Also, please stop with the ‘women will share a man’ nonsense. Women aren’t a monolith. Scroll through all the replies here. There are a couple who are saying the millionaire and even more who are saying they would go for the millionaire if it were an open relationship. I guess that’s not exactly ‘sharing,’ but it still shows that these women value a high-income man over a monogamous, low-income man.
/r/PurplePillDebate24/09/23 04:32 AM
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Not in my experience. I go onto Tinder, for instance, and even women who meet those criteria swipe left on me. From talking to others in my shoes, I know I’m not the only one who experiences this either.
/r/PurplePillDebate18/09/23 05:42 PM
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I dont see anyone telling men to lower their standards Then you’re not looking very hard lol. Here’s a post I just saw an hour ago: https://reddit.com/r/TwoXChromosomes/s/mqkdHa1Lhj I will add this caveat however: typically it seems to be redpilled men who tell men to level up, while women tell men to lower their standards. This discussion of standards still doesn’t touch much on the main point. To reiterate, I’m not expecting or advocating that women lower their standards further. What I am say…
/r/PurplePillDebate18/09/23 04:17 PM
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That’s a pretty hefty oversimplification. Self improvement is never a guarantee for finding a partner; it just increases the odds. Not every failure is for a lack of trying. You can do everything “right” and still end up single for most of your life. I know plenty of people who are in shape, earn good money, etc. who still struggle to find anyone.
/r/PurplePillDebate18/09/23 04:02 PM
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Well, everyone is always telling men to lower their standards. If men can, I’m sure you can find a way too. But that’s besides the point. I’m not saying you should necessarily try to lower your standards. It’s an option, but I understand why you wouldn’t choose it. Notice the operative word though? Once again, still a choice. “Would you rather eat this stale bag of chips or not?” That is still a choice, but with an obvious answer imo. Men are not even offered the stale bag of chips though. They’…
/r/PurplePillDebate18/09/23 03:54 PM
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I appreciate the benefit of the doubt, but I never had any luck before the pandemic either. I just suck at social interactions, and it’s a lot harder when you’re conventionally unattractive. I might be projecting, but I think the pandemic actually didn’t change much. Men who struggle with socializing have almost always had the cards stacked against them with dating. You have to initiate all the time as a guy, so if you’re introverted or, God forbid, socially anxious, then you’re probably going t…
/r/PurplePillDebate18/09/23 03:47 PM
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You’re not entitled to an attractive man. If you want a relationship, then you should lower your standards. If you don’t want to lower your standards, then that’s fine, but that is a choice.
/r/PurplePillDebate18/09/23 03:34 PM
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You unintentionally hit the nail on the head by saying “choosing to be single.” I think that’s what it really comes down to—women are happier being single because for them it’s usually a choice. For most men, it’s not a choice, and overall we have very little agency to even do anything about our situation.
/r/PurplePillDebate18/09/23 02:27 PM
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I agree with all this, which is why I think that dating apps are a waste of time for men. I haven’t had much success irl either, but it’s a better chance than on Tinder or Hinge. You don’t even get a chance to chat most of the time on an app.
/r/PurplePillDebate18/09/23 03:51 AM
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Dating apps can work for women, but they absolutely do not work for the majority of men. I’m not saying this because of anything from social media; I’m saying this based on personal experience. Getting rejected by absolutely everyone is not good for your self esteem.
/r/PurplePillDebate18/09/23 02:54 AM
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Well sure, but I don’t think most people (or at least most men) want to wait that long to lose their virginity. So if someone is a virgin at that age, it’s a pretty good sign that they’re struggling. With that said, I don’t know if any of these guys are virgins, and I doubt that they are. I only know that I’m a 26 year old virgin.
/r/PurplePillDebate13/09/23 03:01 PM
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My point is that you have no idea if they’re not also doing other things to try to meet women. Maybe they go to the game store on Friday night, and then Saturday afternoon they take dance lessons or something. We shouldn’t be so quick to judge people when we only have the tiniest fraction of information about their lives.
/r/PurplePillDebate13/09/23 02:23 PM
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To be fair, most are fairly young. I think they’re mostly around 23 years old, but a few are older. I think the oldest I know is only 29 or so.
/r/PurplePillDebate13/09/23 02:02 PM
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Well, I suppose we would need some data to assess how many men are shy or awkward, although I guess that would be hard to quantify. Personally, I actually think it is rather common for most men to be shy or awkward to some capacity.
/r/PurplePillDebate13/09/23 06:28 AM
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I think I’m just a loser lol. No need to overcomplicate things.
/r/PurplePillDebate13/09/23 06:18 AM
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It feels like I am, but when I asked a psychiatrist about it, she seemed to be pretty confident that I wasn’t. But like, I get really obsessive about certain topics, struggle to form social connections with people, have a hard time reading facial cues, and more. So… I don’t really know 🤷‍♂️
/r/PurplePillDebate13/09/23 06:08 AM
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Interesting. I think my parents are pretty decent, and I still ended up like this. I guess some of us were just doomed from the start :(
/r/PurplePillDebate13/09/23 06:03 AM
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I don’t sexualize women, especially not strangers, I am a thin short guy whom even women could probably overpower and about as unscary as a man gets, and never grab women. I probably would suck at sex, but women never get to find that out. So by your logic, I should be drowning in women interested in me. I wonder where they’re hiding.
/r/PurplePillDebate13/09/23 05:58 AM
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What do you think is holding those incels back? Do you think it would be easy for them? (Hope these didn’t sound like rhetorical questions; I’m just curious of your perspective.)
/r/PurplePillDebate13/09/23 05:51 AM
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This isn’t surprising though, and the men you know irl might not be a representative sample. Men who do well socially are generally not going to have too much difficulty dating, and by virtue of the fact that you as a woman know these men, that means they’re in the category who do well (or alright) socially. The men who are struggling are shy, awkward guys who don’t have many friends, and probably no female friends. You’re not going to interact with these men by the definition of their existence…
/r/PurplePillDebate13/09/23 05:48 AM
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Yeah, fuck those men for having hobbies. How dare they not spend every waking moment dancing for women and their desires.
/r/PurplePillDebate13/09/23 05:36 AM
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That’s funny. Where I work, pretty much half my male colleagues are single (myself included). Most of them aren’t permavirgins like me though (as far as I know),
/r/PurplePillDebate13/09/23 05:33 AM
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I genuinely feel like the Margot Robbie thing was a miscommunication (or maybe I’m just coping). I know there were men saying she’s “mid” or whatever, but what I think they really meant is that while they understand she’s highly conventionally attractive, she isn’t really their personal cup of tea. You know, kind of like how women all the time bring up that they’re not personally into, say, Henry Cavill even though he’s an objectively attractive man. Men can have varying tastes in women too, and…
/r/PurplePillDebate13/09/23 05:28 AM
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Didn’t say that my personality wasn’t part of the problem.
/r/PurplePillDebate12/09/23 05:36 PM
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lol this is why I don’t take normies’ opinions on incels too seriously. Most people, like you, cannot even fathom that some of us truly appeal to no one. My mere existence contradicts your worldview.
/r/PurplePillDebate12/09/23 04:41 PM
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You’re missing my point. Some of us have literally no options, no lower group to target.
/r/PurplePillDebate12/09/23 04:27 PM
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What if even those women don’t want you?
/r/PurplePillDebate12/09/23 03:50 PM
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There’s a difference between a woman showing she’s not interested in you and a woman not being aware you exist. I’m talking (and I believe OP is talking) about introducing yourself to women you meet in various settings, not women who already told you to fuck off lol.
/r/PurplePillDebate09/09/23 04:55 AM
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What I said is the corollary of your advice. There are no other women to pursue if you never receive indicators of interest from anyone. This is something a lot of women often struggle to understand about men’s situation, so I think it’s worth elaborating on. When we say anyone, we mean anyone. Now, there definitely are losers out there who are only shooting their shot with women who are ridiculously out of their league, but they are not representative of most guys and I don’t really care about …
/r/PurplePillDebate09/09/23 01:57 AM
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“Just stay alone and unwanted, bro. You’re probably trash anyway.” Yeah, I think I’ll pass. Do you even stop to think about how your “advice” would make someone feel?
/r/PurplePillDebate09/09/23 01:40 AM
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Look man, I feel pretty hopeless about things too, but we have to keep trying. Giving up completely just leads to a really dark place for most people. I don’t want to feel completely helpless. I’m going to try everything I can. If it all fails, at least I can be a bitter old man who knows I did everything I could and the world failed me.
/r/PurplePillDebate08/09/23 09:46 PM
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Fair enough, I should have said that men who go that long without being hit on can safely expect it will never happen. To be honest though, I don’t think most guys have your experience. Most of the unsuccessful guys I’ve spoken to can’t get a woman to look in their direction. It’s a different set of difficulties if you can garner some initial interest but can’t make something last. The OP’s post seems more directed at the former group rather than the latter.
/r/PurplePillDebate08/09/23 03:16 PM
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That’s cool, bro. Some people win the lottery too. Doesn’t make it a viable strategy to buy lottery tickets. And no, by definition, men who are maybe 22 and older who have never been in a relationship can all safely assume that they won’t get hit on by a girl. It’s extremely counterproductive to hold onto that hope.
/r/PurplePillDebate08/09/23 02:55 PM
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Yeah, but plenty of men don’t ever experience those indicators of interest, so they can’t just wait around for them to happen. We need to just shoot our shot.
/r/PurplePillDebate08/09/23 02:43 PM
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This comes across as pedantic. The sorts of men who are struggling to find a relationship are generally not going to be approached by women, so it’s not worth bringing up. For the most part, women don’t approach, so that’s what we need to focus on.
/r/PurplePillDebate08/09/23 02:39 PM
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I’m 26. You?
/r/PurplePillDebate08/09/23 01:46 AM
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Yeah I know lol. The only thing I like about being forever alone is being able to call women out on their bs that “no guy wants them.”
/r/PurplePillDebate07/09/23 10:08 PM
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Lol it’s not. The sub is mostly men, like any other sub.
/r/PurplePillDebate07/09/23 01:45 PM
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Do you live in or near the US? I’d throw myself at you.
/r/PurplePillDebate07/09/23 01:41 PM
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Okay, but I have a hard time believing this is a typical experience for a below-average woman. There’s a reason the Internet is crawling with single, virgin men, but you rarely ever hear about virgin women online. Almost every woman I’ve spoken to or met in life has had some dating experience, and some of these women were quite physically unattractive. Men’s standards are on the floor these days. I know I would give just about any single woman a shot, and there are plenty of men like me.
/r/PurplePillDebate07/09/23 01:37 PM
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I disagree with almost all of this. First, about men not doing skincare, grooming, etc. as much, it’s just way more marginal for men than it is for women. I dress pretty well, keep myself clean shaven (since I don’t grow enough facial hair for a proper beard or anything), wear nice fragrances, and generally do what I can. It bumped me from like a 4 to a 5. Whereas with women, the right makeup, hair, and skincare can legitimately take her from a 4 to an 8 or higher. There’s less incentive to men …
/r/PurplePillDebate07/09/23 01:07 PM
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But none of that seems like it would really make men not want pickmes like the other commenter claimed.
/r/PurplePillDebate06/09/23 06:01 AM
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I feel like I’ve only ever seen women have an issue with pickmes, or even label someone as such tbh. I mean, is it shocking that someone who tries hard to be appealing to men would be… appealing to men?
/r/PurplePillDebate06/09/23 05:21 AM
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Autism is treated, but not in the context of how it affects your dating prospects. There’s not a lot of good therapy out there for dealing with feelings of being unwanted.
/r/PurplePillDebate28/08/23 07:59 PM
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It doesn’t need to be cured; we could at least try treating it instead. So few therapists are able to meaningfully help men who can’t have romantic lives, and the data shows that most men who experience loneliness don’t even find therapy that helpful. We should train therapists and psychologists for these issues so that they can do their jobs and help these people through their pain. Finding romance and love is literally one of the most important experiences in the human condition. It’s morally …
/r/PurplePillDebate28/08/23 03:53 PM
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Not to mention how annoying this person’s tone is in this portion. “Women do all this work and men don’t do anything.” If your goal is to reach and persuade men, then why the hell would you vilify them and depict them in such a cartoonishly mean-spirited manner?
/r/PurplePillDebate28/08/23 03:32 PM
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Maybe acknowledging that it’s a problem men face might be a good start? This thread is full of whataboutisms and deflections. A shocking number of women will simply never acknowledge that there are some issues that only men face, or at least that there are issues that affect men far more frequently than women.
/r/PurplePillDebate28/08/23 03:26 PM
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Except, as OP mentioned, autistic women demonstrably get into relationships more often than their male counterparts. So it doesn’t really affect OP’s statement how the autism manifests. These women, regardless of their weird factors, still find men who desire them.
/r/PurplePillDebate28/08/23 03:23 PM
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“Don’t stick your dick in crazy” is usually said in the context of a man who has either already stuck his dick in crazy, or is considering it. Hence, the women to whom these comments apply can’t be having too much difficulty if they’re at least getting involved with men.! The “invisible” women bs is so infuriating to me. It’s always brought up as some pathetic attempt at equalizing. “See, women can be lonely and unwanted just like men!” No, they cannot. There simply is no analogue to the extreme…
/r/PurplePillDebate28/08/23 03:13 PM
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And you rightfully ignore it, no? Women shouldn’t care about men’s advice on how to be a woman, and men shouldn’t care about women’s advice on how to be a man. EZ
/r/PurplePillDebate27/08/23 06:24 AM
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I think single men are generally unhappier than single women, but I don’t really think this is the reason why. I think what might play more of a role is that as a single woman, you at least don’t have to worry about feeling undesirable. Most women who are single still have men hitting on them or pursuing them; they’re just either awful people or not up to her standards. But with men, it’s usually the case that you’re receiving no signals at all that you are even desirable to anyone, which is rea…
/r/PurplePillDebate27/08/23 06:11 AM
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This weirdly seems to imply that men are somehow choosing to find validation from sex. Like no, that’s just how our brains work; we didn’t decide to feel that way. Besides, is it really that crazy to feel validation from being wanted, or inversely to feel like your thoughts of being an attractive person are invalidated if no one else ever sees you that way?
/r/PurplePillDebate24/08/23 04:08 PM
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Totally agreed until that last paragraph. I would recommend OP not bother with ugly women either. They get just as offended if us uggos hit on them due to inflated self worth. There’s basically no woman alive who is actually unwanted. They’re only ever unwanted by Chads.
/r/PurplePillDebate24/08/23 05:54 AM
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Fair enough. I’m just biased since I’m a Christian who isn’t Catholic or Protestant, so I couldn’t participate lol. People always forget that we Orthodox exist.
/r/AllPillDebate22/08/23 04:13 PM
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Do you think money and prestige are more important than love? What happened to the conventional wisdom that love is more important than all those superficial things? I would much rather be poor but loved than wealthy and alone. And it’s pretty much indisputable that even ugly women have an easier time of landing a relationship than an ugly man.
/r/AllPillDebate22/08/23 03:17 PM
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That dude moderates the virgin subreddit and still doesn’t understand how virgin men operate.
/r/AllPillDebate22/08/23 03:13 PM
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George Costanza is the ultimate gigachad; he’s master of his domain.
/r/AllPillDebate22/08/23 03:05 PM
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I would’ve just separated the choices into atheistic, agnostic, and religious. The options of deism, Catholicism, and Protestantism will admittedly cover most of the user base probably, but there are plenty of religious people who don’t fall into those categories. Muslims would probably be the largest group to not fit any of those choices.
/r/AllPillDebate22/08/23 02:28 PM
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I hope you don’t leave us, but I also definitely understand that the pain can be overwhelming. It’s not fair that some of us have to endure this. I wish you didn’t. You mentioned that you’ve tried hobbies, but do you have any good friends? I also found that hobbies did nothing to relieve the loneliness, but I think that the different types of loneliness are connected. Getting a good male friend won’t fill the romantic hole in your heart, but at least for me, it did make being a permavirgin a lit…
/r/AllPillDebate22/08/23 02:25 PM
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Excellent points
/r/AllPillDebate22/08/23 01:54 PM
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If it were an attractive trait, one might expect women to pursue shy guys every once in a while. Otherwise, how would they possibly hope to ever get with a shy guy?
/r/PurplePillDebate21/08/23 05:19 PM
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I mean, you have to start somewhere. That’s further than a lot of shy guys will ever get.
/r/PurplePillDebate21/08/23 05:17 PM
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See, this is where I just get totally confused. How difficult can it be to meet people online as a woman? Step 1. Download favorite dating app Step 2. Message any of the countless men who swiped on you. The end. Maybe I’m missing something since this is fundamentally opposite of my experiences, but it doesn’t seem that hard. Is it that hard to vet the psychos? Just go after nerds, I doubt they’d have the social skills to present as anything they’re not. And again, even if online dating isn’t an …
/r/PurplePillDebate21/08/23 03:30 PM
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Again, I totally get where you’re coming from (and actually it was somebody else who described this person, not me). But still, I’d feel wrong if I said a woman who only has her body going for her is worse than a fleshlight. Sadly, I know there are definitely men who would probably make such a comparison, but it feels dehumanizing to me :\
/r/PurplePillDebate21/08/23 03:24 PM
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Or you can just use the Internet. I will concede that the few women I’ve encountered who are chronically single are also basement-dwellers who haven’t seen the sun in 30 years, so it is possible to be alone as a woman. But even as an introvert myself, it’s a lot easier to just push yourself to go out into public spaces (which would be enough for most female introverts to find someone) than it is to regularly approach people and socialize in these public spaces (which is the bare minimum you need…
/r/PurplePillDebate21/08/23 03:16 PM
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Yeah, you count. But you’d had have to define a bit more how introverted you are, how well you actually do with women, etc.
/r/PurplePillDebate21/08/23 03:12 PM
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“Plenty of women like shy guys.” Lol sure. Almost every shy guy I’ve ever known, including myself, has struggled with women. If bluepillers were correct, it almost seems like no men would ever struggle. Your group claims that height isn’t a disadvantage, that shyness isn’t a disadvantage, that looks aren’t a disadvantage… then why are so many men unable to find a single woman? Clearly there must be something holding us back.
/r/PurplePillDebate21/08/23 03:10 PM
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Except female introverts can still be asked out, so they’re not really at a disadvantage either. It’s really only a stumbling point if you’re a male introvert.
/r/PurplePillDebate21/08/23 03:07 PM
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I mean, I get what you’re saying and can see where you’re coming from, but it does strike me as a bit misandrist to compare a vibrator to a person. Would you not feel a bit icky if a guy said something like “fleshlights are better than women?”
/r/PurplePillDebate21/08/23 03:06 PM
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Maybe the explanation is a bit lacking, but the general phenomenon seems really well attested. I, and most other hopelessly single men I’ve encountered, tend to have the common denominator that we’re all shy. It might not be a death sentence in of itself, but it could very well be if there are already other detracting factors like height or autism on top of it. I’ve never met an introverted man who did well with women who wasn’t also well above average in terms of looks.
/r/PurplePillDebate21/08/23 02:38 PM
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I literally cannot imagine that lmao. Even in my dreams, I end up rejected by everyone (this actually happened in my dream last night even). It would be like a fish trying to describe its favorite tree; it simply would be incapable of even imagining a tree.
/r/PurplePillDebate21/08/23 01:59 AM
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Any Any Any Preferably not obese Any Any Any Any Preferably Christian Any, but asexual might be preferable since someone interested in men probably would never want me. 18+ Any But of course, people will tell me I’m an incel because my standards are too high.
/r/PurplePillDebate20/08/23 11:02 PM
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I’m short and have scrawny little noodle arms. I don’t think most women are that afraid of me.
/r/PurplePillDebate20/08/23 06:24 AM
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Is she though? Most of her posts seem like troll posts to piss off dudes. I’m like 50/50 on whether she’s actually just a dude larping for attention.
/r/PurplePillDebate19/08/23 03:24 PM
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How is that possible? Women never want me anyway. I don't meet their standards. Porn is the only outlet I have.
/r/PurplePillDebate19/08/23 03:20 PM
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This comment pisses me off for several reasons, but maybe that was your only goal here. First of all, it adds nothing to the debate. If a woman were complaining about dick pics, and I just told her to stop whining, do you really think that would accomplish anything? Second, your complete lack of empathy for a situation you don’t understand is obvious. I guess that’s the fundamental issue of this sub though: women see men’s issues as nonissues because they think they’d want that and men do the sa…
/r/PurplePillDebate19/08/23 03:17 PM
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Increasingly few men are able to have casual sex, so that’s a privilege that plenty of men will never even experience anyway. I’m sure millionaire women’s lives aren’t too terrible either, but that doesn’t really mean much for normal women.
/r/PurplePillDebate18/08/23 06:35 AM
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16M
/r/PurplePillDebate18/08/23 06:31 AM
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I said this in a different comment under your original comment, but I just want to mention that the argument also falls flat because I don’t think that many men really want to do anal either. I certainly don’t.
/r/PurplePillDebate18/08/23 06:31 AM
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I legit don’t want it. I’m convinced women think way more men want anal than men who actually do. Like no offense to the people who enjoy it, but I don’t really want to stick my dick in the same hole that shoots out shit.
/r/PurplePillDebate18/08/23 06:29 AM
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Yeah it’s kind of funny to see people get riled up by some obvious bate. Like as deranged as some of the takes are here, most aren’t quite this deranged.
/r/PurplePillDebate18/08/23 06:26 AM
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I have learned that online dating is a massive waste of time that only makes me obsess more over my loneliness. I’m honestly shocked that average men and especially below average men even bother anymore with it. I’d rather not get rejected 10000 times in a row, thank you.
/r/PurplePillDebate17/08/23 06:06 AM
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That might honestly just be an Eastern European thing from what I’ve heard.
/r/PurplePillDebate14/08/23 02:28 PM
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This is nothing compared to what you’d get if you called women animals.
/r/PurplePillDebate14/08/23 02:24 PM
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“You see, men on average are like dogs” Mask-off moment? I’m laughing my ass off imaging the backlash if I made that kind of comment about women.
/r/PurplePillDebate14/08/23 05:26 AM
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I hear women say this a lot, but I feel like this has a lot more to do with the fact that women view 80% of men as unattractive whereas they view most women as attractive. So in reality, I’m sure a sizeable number of those couples you seem as “gorgeous women in relationships with average to ugly men” are more looksmatched than you realize.
/r/PurplePillDebate14/08/23 05:19 AM
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Can confirm. I just want someone to give me a chance.
/r/PurplePillDebate14/08/23 05:16 AM
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I think you’re just advocating an unfalsifiable claim here, OP. People are saying the women could get laid, but that doesn’t convince you they’re attractive. People are saying the women could get relationships, but that doesn’t convince you they’re attractive. Men are saying they find these women attractive, but that doesn’t convince you they’re attractive. Like, what would it honestly take to convince you? I suspect this position is coming from a place of your own insecurities, so I am sympathe…
/r/PurplePillDebate14/08/23 04:42 AM
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True. There’s a reason that plenty of geniuses don’t end up with kids, but thugs and morons generally don’t have a hard time.
/r/AllPillDebate13/08/23 12:54 AM
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As others have pointed out, this eugenics program wouldn’t work because ugly women will still reproduce anyway. But suppose this did actually work, and in a generation or two only the top 1% genes were passed down. Do you really think this would actually solve the problem? It won’t, because women will still just desire the new top 1%. It would be like the incel memes of “no men under 7’2 and superhuman muscles.” If you need evidence for this, it’s already happened. The average height used to be …
/r/AllPillDebate12/08/23 02:41 PM
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I actually fully agree on the point that teenagers should not consume the blackpill, and anyone who peddles it to them is moronic and harmful. Granted, the issue is that with the anonymity on sites like this, you never know if the person you’re talking to is a 30 year old truecel or some 16 year old kid who got rejected by his crush and immediately went “AWALT.” It’s on the teenagers to be smart enough to realize that you need to actually try to date exhaustively before you can conclude that it’…
/r/AllPillDebate12/08/23 02:19 PM
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I do actually agree that persuading society to allow men to looksmax by wearing lifts would be helpful. That said, the primary pushback on this is chiefly from women, not men. The only reason any men are opposed to doing this is because of the responses they get from women. I don’t think I’ve ever heard any man say it’s “feminine” as you claimed earlier.
/r/PurplePillDebate11/08/23 10:03 PM
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Exactly, the difference is that those beauty enhancements actually give women the results they want, whereas men compensating through lifts or shoulder pads will not get them results. Most women just think you’re insecure for using them, so it actually lowers your desirability.
/r/PurplePillDebate11/08/23 02:55 PM
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As someone who is short and Mediterranean, this made my day. Thank you for the first glimmer of hope I’ve felt in a while.
/r/AllPillDebate09/08/23 06:51 PM
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Yeah, I personally have a hard time believing it too. I think most women who say they don’t ever get any advances are either disregarding some experiences or just don’t go outside enough.
/r/PurplePillDebate08/08/23 04:37 PM
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Yeah, I fully agree, and I’ve observed this as well. It really just comes down to most women receiving too much attention and men receiving too little attention, and I think the unwanted women desiring catcalls are evidence of that.
/r/PurplePillDebate08/08/23 04:19 PM
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Sure, both genders don’t appreciate unwanted sexual behavior, but there is much less sexual behavior that is unwanted by men. Maybe if the woman were really unattractive, but even then I know some guys are so desperate for attention that even that would be a huge ego boost for them.
/r/PurplePillDebate08/08/23 04:16 PM
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into short men admits women are generally more heightist Damn, I don’t normally simp, but…
/r/PurplePillDebate08/08/23 04:10 PM
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I don’t think that really answers the question. You (rightfully) see this behavior as douchey or creepy, but I’d be willing to bet money that if you took an average guy and had a woman do the exact same behavior that came across as douchey or creepy, the man would appreciate it. Note: I am not saying that women should appreciate catcalling or groping or whatever. I’m just saying that the same behaviors would still be a confidence boost if the genders were reversed, for a variety of reasons. Not …
/r/PurplePillDebate08/08/23 04:07 PM
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“But one gender does not appreciate it more over another” That is absolutely untrue. I’m sure there are some rare guys out there who wouldn’t want to be catcalled or touched inappropriately, but they’re definitely the minority. There’s a reason why the sexes respond differently to these situations, but it’s insane to pretend that they don’t respond differently in the first place.
/r/PurplePillDebate08/08/23 04:03 PM
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I don’t see where you were telling OP that people wouldn’t judge him for an age-gap relationship, but I’ll take your word for it. Still, the unfortunate reality is that loads of women do not feel the same as you and will judge men like OP for doing what they can to find a partner. You can see plenty of it in this thread.
/r/PurplePillDebate08/08/23 06:16 AM
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By your own admission, you’re looking at the worst possible edge cases, so I’m not really sure what the point is. Yeah, things could go very wrong, but that’s more of a warning you should probably give women to be cautious about such relationships. As a man, all that tells me is that doing things like forcibly impregnating a young woman who would feel compelled to carry to term is bad. No shit? Again though, all you’ve done is talk about how it might disadvantage women. I don’t disagree, but tha…
/r/PurplePillDebate08/08/23 05:52 AM
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Age is just one factor though. You could have the same exact situation in your hypothetical occur if the man was antisocial and the woman had a wide social circle, even if they were the same age. Unsurprisingly, some people are just incompatible. But I’d argue that being on the same level of romantic experience is a strong way to limit the likelihood of incompatibility in a crucial area of life. Is a guarantee that the two will be a perfect match? Of course not, but nothing is. But suppose it do…
/r/PurplePillDebate08/08/23 05:28 AM
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I don’t know what rock you’ve been living under, but yeah that is generally the stereotype. This isn’t Instagram or Twitter (or X or whatever it’s called now).
/r/PurplePillDebate08/08/23 05:15 AM
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I think the power imbalance is a good thing. Low value men who pursue younger women would otherwise be on the other end of a power imbalance in a relationship with a woman their age. Going with a younger woman evens things out.
/r/PurplePillDebate08/08/23 05:05 AM
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posts on Reddit I am very attractive lol pick one
/r/PurplePillDebate08/08/23 04:50 AM
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On that, I agree. I think this is something people hardly ever consider about later virgins. Even if one does manage to find someone willing to date you, your chances of having a happy, healthy relationship with that person are pretty much fucked.
/r/PurplePillDebate06/08/23 07:04 AM
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I think men don’t necessarily feel that way about marriage unless they have reason to believe that they’re not romantically or sexually desired in the marriage. If a woman was clearly passionate with him, then I doubt a guy would have any hesitations about marriage. But if she seemed to mainly just value his stability and personality, then a man might feel cautious about marriage, and even dissatisfied with the relationship altogether.
/r/PurplePillDebate06/08/23 06:37 AM
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This thread is convincing me that modern Western culture has completely forgotten what it’s like to sacrifice for a relationship. It’s like some alien concept to you people. It’s all so disgustingly selfish; no wonder there’s so many failed relationships these days.
/r/PurplePillDebate06/08/23 06:20 AM
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If he’s in his 30s and sexually inexperienced, then in all likelihood the answer is no, he could not just find another partner.
/r/PurplePillDebate06/08/23 05:59 AM
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I mean, even if that’s what you mean when you use the term “husband material,” most men are still going to take it negatively and perceive it the way OP did. Isn’t that enough reason to find other words to use instead? Communication goes both ways; you need to make sure that your intended message actually matches the received meaning by the other party.
/r/PurplePillDebate06/08/23 05:48 AM
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a life without love isn’t worth living Haha, tell me about it ☹️🔫
/r/PurplePillDebate06/08/23 05:16 AM
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I’m not too surprised you don’t want to argue anymore. Incels’ lives are too depressing for most people to stomach, so you’ll do everything in your power to ignore the real experiences some of us face. Fair enough, some stones are better left unturned, and blissful ignorance probably is preferable.
/r/PurplePillDebate05/08/23 01:52 AM
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Now saying you have options but deny those options… Yeah, this is the kind of strawman I’d expect when discussing incel problems. The number of incels who feel entitled to something better than they can get is a minority. But people like you focus on them because it’s easier to confront those morons. Meet me halfway and just drop this point altogether because it’s completely irrelevant to the people here who cannot currently attract anyone—not the overweight women, not the unpopular outcast wome…
/r/PurplePillDebate04/08/23 06:08 PM
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“I won’t attempt to empathize with people whose situation is different from my own.” Okay bro
/r/PurplePillDebate04/08/23 03:50 PM
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I could totally be wrong about this, but I’m pretty sure most passport are incels, not MGTOW. So they’re usually much less concerned with divorce and more concerned with getting a relationship in the first place. The idea seems to be that non-Western women are less superficial in terms of looks. In my personal experience, I almost never have any success with women, but the closest I’ve ever come to dating was with Asian women. I think it comes more down to racial fetishism for white men that act…
/r/PurplePillDebate04/08/23 03:42 PM
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Almost like how whenever men vent about their inability to find anyone who likes us, all we hear is “so you must be so entitled for thinking you deserve a partner!1!1!1” I’m almost inclined to say it’s karma.
/r/PurplePillDebate03/08/23 02:26 AM
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I think OP’s comparison is a little faulty since, as you say, most normal women probably couldn’t pull a guy out of the blue. I think a better comparison would be if no man ever desired you, which is the reality a lot of young men face much more than women do.
/r/PurplePillDebate02/08/23 09:55 PM
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I stopped reading after you mentioned your boyfriend tbh. If your issues were really comparable to men’s, you’d be unable to find a romantic partner too.
/r/PurplePillDebate02/08/23 09:51 PM
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OP, I admire that you tried to build a bridge of empathy, but I think it’s frankly a fruitless endeavor here. The state of being undesirable (as opposed to feeling undesirable, more on that later) is so entirely foreign to 99% of women that I think most genuinely can’t wrap their heads around it. It’s like how most men can’t truly empathize with how it feels to receive too much attention. I’ve heard that it can be difficult for women to deal with, but it always feel like suffering from too much …
/r/PurplePillDebate02/08/23 09:49 PM
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That slightly autistic woman will probably still prefer a neurotypical guy. It’s pretty common unfortunately that autistic women get with NT guys while autistic men just end up alone. Women can have different tastes in men, but there are a lot of universals that very few will deviate on.
/r/PurplePillDebate02/08/23 05:16 PM
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Rule 1: Be attractive Rule 2: Don’t be unattractive.
/r/PurplePillDebate02/08/23 05:14 PM
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I personally am not attracted to him but I know someone else would be. lol classic. It’s amazing how few women seem to realize that if they don’t think a guy is attractive, odds are most other women won’t either. It’s just too depressing to think about, so most women would rather delude themselves into thinking someone else will bite the bullet.
/r/PurplePillDebate02/08/23 04:56 AM
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I’ve never posted on r4r, but I did try the Foreveralone dating sub on a different account (that one was not a throwaway either). I had post history on that one which showcased my personality and interests (and wasn’t just a venting platform like my current one is). It didn’t matter though; I never got any responses. In fact, there have been a few times where I got along well with someone I met online, until I showed my face/height. Personality only matters if you’re attractive enough to meet th…
/r/PurplePillDebate02/08/23 04:22 AM
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Following rules 1 and 2 is basically easy mode for dating.
/r/PurplePillDebate02/08/23 03:27 AM
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How is it totally okay for guys? Did you notice how many downvotes he got?
/r/AllPillDebate26/07/23 11:12 PM
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I want a girl with a short skirt and a loooong jacket. But seriously, almost all of us have absolutely no standards, or whatever standards we do have, we minimize further and further. I literally just want a woman who likes me for who I am, but I have yet to find a single woman who feels this way about me.
/r/AllPillDebate24/07/23 06:32 AM
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There is like one weirdo here demanding a 10/10 model while the rest of us are saying we have minimal standards, and yet look which one you decided to identify as the common belief for incels.
/r/AllPillDebate24/07/23 06:29 AM
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Then why are so many young men turning to alt-right radicalism if liberal men are so supportive and helpful?
/r/PurplePillDebate24/07/23 05:18 AM
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Sometimes I think I’m radical, and then I read stuff like this.
/r/AllPillDebate23/07/23 02:27 AM
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This is the most wholesome comment I think I’ve ever seen on this sub. It even warmed my cold, blackpilled heart haha. Thank you for that.
/r/PurplePillDebate21/07/23 06:32 AM
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The problem is that different women will tell you a different set of “no-go” locations where you shouldn’t ask a woman out. I’ve listened to a lot of women’s thoughts on this over the years, and it turns out that if you combined all the settings that have said are off limits, you’d get every possible location. “Don’t hit on women at the gym; they just want to have a workout in peace.” “Don’t hit on women at the bookstore; they just want to be able to find a nice book.” “Don’t hit on girls in you…
/r/PurplePillDebate21/07/23 06:09 AM
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I respect that you at least acknowledge the difficulty that height imposes. With that said, I have no idea how one could possibly have a positive attitude towards height if you reach a certain age and still have never received any romantic or sexual interest from a woman, as many of us here probably have experienced. You’d have to be delusional to not feel the situation is hopeless at that point.
/r/AllPillDebate21/07/23 12:21 AM
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I hope you mean your brother and his wife, not that your brother is in an open relationship with your wife…
/r/PurplePillDebate20/07/23 04:29 PM
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Lol don’t take Redditors seriously, especially not their views on looks. Most subreddits will tell a rotting corpse that he’s definitely a 7/10 minimum.
/r/PurplePillDebate20/07/23 06:46 AM
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Lmao if an unattractive guy sent a message like that, we’d get unmatched within the millisecond we hit the Send button. Personality only matters if you hit a certain looks threshold.
/r/PurplePillDebate20/07/23 06:42 AM
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no one is proving men to approach I mean, the circumstances are. We never get approached, so the options are to pursue women or stay single for our whole lives. Sure, we still get a choice, but when both options are terrible, I think that’s a valid cause for complaint.
/r/PurplePillDebate20/07/23 06:38 AM
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Open relationships are just cuckolding with a sprinkling of denial thrown in. Unless the man is a 10/10 Adonis, the woman will have innumerably more sexual opportunities than the man. So the guy gets to stay home with his hand while his woman is getting her back blown out by the fling of the week. Maybe if sexual availability were more even, I’d consider it. But in the current sexual marketplace, hell no.
/r/PurplePillDebate20/07/23 06:34 AM
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Don’t do drugs, kids.
/r/PurplePillDebate20/07/23 05:40 AM
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I can’t even focus on the rest of this guy’s message because of that mom(ent) thing lmao. There’s a lot that’s weirdly funny about it. First, you’d have to pronounce moment like Mahment for it to make any sense. And second, even if you did pronounce it that way, who the fuck shortens moment to mom??
/r/PurplePillDebate18/07/23 04:06 PM
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Fair enough, but plenty of other men are also saying they’d prefer woman A, and I doubt they’re all incels or short. But hey, if women really wanted a guy who doesn’t care so much about superficial things, they could always give us anomalies a chance.
/r/PurplePillDebate17/07/23 06:29 PM
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It’s totally valid that media and advertisements target women’s insecurities a lot more than they do towards men (although I’d argue it’s an increasing trend these days for media to also prey on men’s insecurities). That said, that wasn’t really what I was arguing against. It’s not about how much the outside world enforces these insecurities; it’s about how men and women perceive themselves. And I’ve known too many incels who think they’re genetically inferior to believe that there aren’t just a…
/r/PurplePillDebate17/07/23 06:04 PM
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How is it desperation to want a woman who desires you over superficial qualities?
/r/PurplePillDebate17/07/23 05:59 PM
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Is she? Most of the effort women put into becoming attractive is pretty basic compared to the hoops men have to jump through. Women: learn make-up, dress nicely, do their hair, some small amount of exercise (optional). Men: dress stylishly, get fit at the gym, develop hobbies that are attractive to women, become successful in your career, learn to be outgoing and//or funny, etc. I grant you that the average man is certainly not doing all of these things, but most are doing a subset, and each one…
/r/PurplePillDebate17/07/23 05:57 PM
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What are those multiple reasons exactly?
/r/PurplePillDebate17/07/23 05:53 PM
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I’m in a nerdy field too, so I can weigh in. No, I side with the person you’re arguing against. In my field, probably only half or fewer of the guys have girlfriends, while most of the women are in relationships. Shockingly, the few guys in relationships tend to be the tall/attractive/athletic ones. It’s quite pronounced and easily noticeable in fact, and even women I’ve spoken to irl have agreed with me.
/r/PurplePillDebate17/07/23 05:58 AM
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No amount of self-improvement could make an average man as attractive to women as an average woman is to men with no effort whatsoever.
/r/PurplePillDebate17/07/23 05:54 AM
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I’m genuinely amazed that people can have this take. Are you not aware of how many incels perceive themselves as “subhuman genetic garbage” and endlessly berate their looks?
/r/PurplePillDebate17/07/23 05:48 AM
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Hell no. At least for me, OP hit the nail on the head. All I’ve ever wanted is to be wanted by a woman.
/r/PurplePillDebate17/07/23 05:40 AM
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I know I’m a real-life incel. Does that count?
/r/PurplePillDebate04/07/23 01:17 AM
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I struggle to believe this is real tbh. This seems like pity porn, and I say this as an expert in self-pity.
/r/AllPillDebate25/06/23 09:57 PM
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Fair enough. I just fear that I’ll be 30+ by the time I’m “prepared to start dating,” and that’s already depressingly late. I guess it’s better than never dating at all though. I have been trying to do more social things anyway. It’s just a struggle since my career leaves me very little free time, and there aren’t too many social hobbies I enjoy. I can force myself out of my comfort zone, but I suspect I won’t make progress with befriending people if we don’t actually have much in common.
/r/AllPillDebate22/06/23 07:12 PM
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I’m white, but I look racially ambiguous since I’m pretty tan. I’m working on a PhD, so I currently make very little, and it’s a lot of work for something that likely won’t pay too well in the future either.
/r/AllPillDebate22/06/23 07:08 PM
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Thanks for the lengthy advice. I do think I should get into cooking. It’s not really something I enjoy either, but making responsible decisions is usually about doing things you don’t care much for imo. If I only did things I enjoyed, I’d be a stay-at-home shut-in. I’ll focus a little more on nutrition too. The only thing I fundamentally disagree with is the part about not giving a fuck. Sure, we shouldn’t come off as too desperate, but guys (unless they’re in like the 90th percentile or above f…
/r/AllPillDebate22/06/23 06:45 PM
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Yeah, I feel the same way. Once you have to go seeking self-improvement advice for dating as a 25 year old KHHV, it’s already beyond over. Still, I just can’t give up. I want to be able to look back when I’m a 60 year old virgin and feel fully justified in my bitterness, knowing I did everything in my power to be worthwhile to someone and still failed.
/r/AllPillDebate22/06/23 06:32 PM
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I’m already pretty blackpilled, for better or worse. I do try to limit my consumption of black pill content though nowadays. I tend to find that meetup never has anything I’m interested in. I feel like women would be able to tell straightaway that I was disingenuous if I went somewhere just to see women, but maybe not. I will admit I haven’t tried Meetup yet. Feels like most of my appearance issues don’t really have a fix. Testosterone supplements might help though. I’m in a PhD program, which s…
/r/AllPillDebate22/06/23 06:27 PM
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I’m thinking of getting my testosterone checked, which might be why I wasn’t really seeing any gains. But I also probably had really awful form, so that might be part of it. I went four to five times a week back when I was trying (Yeah, I’ve been slacking due to hopelessness, but I’m jumping back on now). I was 120 pounds, but now I’m 140, but I think it’s honestly just fat. I was using an app to track protein, and I get plenty of sleep. I would get exhausted fairly quickly at the gym, usually o…
/r/AllPillDebate22/06/23 06:23 PM
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Thank you for the advice. I’ve honestly been thinking about getting my testosterone checked for a while too. Even if it doesn’t help me get a date, I’m so tired of being perceived as a teen. Am already in therapy though. Forgot to mention that, but the post was already getting quite long as is.
/r/AllPillDebate22/06/23 06:14 PM
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5’5 :|
/r/AllPillDebate22/06/23 05:48 PM
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I guess I just fundamentally disagree. Again, I may be an outlier, but I’ve acknowledged and accepted that no woman would ever find me physically attractive. I’d be happy as long as she found something about me attractive. I Just think we as a species put way too much stock in what our lizard brains tell us is important.
/r/PurplePillDebate18/06/23 09:15 PM
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Well, I’ll answer your question from the point of view of an average dude since I’m undesirable and wouldn’t be able to find an ugly woman who likes me, let alone a hot one. But even if I were average, this perfect version of a partner that we envision in our heads is unrealistic and unhealthy. People are flawed, and holding them to toxic standards upheld by the illusion of social media only serves to make everyone unhappier and more self-conscious. The stuff inside a person is far more importan…
/r/PurplePillDebate18/06/23 09:08 PM
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I’m not lol, I was translating what you said to the female equivalent. I don’t really care about surface-level stuff like that. I just want a kind woman who likes me back.
/r/PurplePillDebate18/06/23 08:57 PM
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“I used to not care about women’s cup size, but now I dare a thick woman so D cups only 😎” This is what you sound like. Good luck finding someone, but I can’t stand people with superficial requirements like this.
/r/PurplePillDebate18/06/23 08:51 PM
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There’s so much wrong with this comparison. I think I see two main issues though. Women don’t even need to be good at make-up to attract a partner. My sister never uses make-up, and there’s never been any issue of her attracting men. It’s a nice way to boost yourself, but it’s not like most women wouldn’t be able to date without it. Conversely, a lot of men are landing no dates whatsoever, so they absolutely do need to find ways to improve to have any hope of finding a relationship. Frankly—and …
/r/PurplePillDebate18/06/23 08:04 PM
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empathy. noun. the ability to understand and share the feelings of another. Unironically, yes I think that is what genuine empathy would look like here. Men feel that dating is hypercompetitive and it’s almost impossible to land a date in today’s society. If you want to be empathetic to men, then the process is not to tell them that they’re wrong and actually it’s really easy if they weren’t such socially inept losers. You don’t have to validate the world view, but it would be a good first step …
/r/PurplePillDebate18/06/23 07:58 PM
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Classic “it just so happens…” response Anyway, a guy doesn’t need to meet every single one of those requirements, but he does need to meet at least a few. I mean be honest, would you really have dated or even noticed your husband if he was also short and unattractive? Do you really think there’s someone out there lusting over the cliched 5’2 balding Indian janitor? I’m not saying you should—obviously we want our partner to have something attractive about them—but it doesn’t change the point that…
/r/PurplePillDebate18/06/23 07:48 PM
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find people who desire you Lmao
/r/AllPillDebate18/06/23 07:27 PM
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Lol why do you think it’s a flex?
/r/PurplePillDebate17/06/23 06:35 PM
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Thanks man. I don’t think it’s ever going to happen though. Even if it does, I’ll be so jaded and bitter about being unwanted for so long.
/r/PurplePillDebate17/06/23 03:46 PM
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I’m 25. When is it going to start getting better?
/r/PurplePillDebate17/06/23 03:44 PM
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Yeah, dating apps have changed a lot over the past 20 years unfortunately. I wish I was dating around that period in time. Dating apps should have been for awkward people who can’t meet others irl. Now attractive people have taken them over, and it’s impossible to stand out in that crowd.
/r/AllPillDebate17/06/23 01:17 PM
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Now imagine how it feels to not experience relationships or intimacy into adulthood.
/r/AllPillDebate17/06/23 01:15 PM
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Good question. It’s hard to narrow down the exact cause, which is why some incels think it’s 100% looks. I’m not that simple-minded, but it certainly doesn’t help that I’m 5’5, can’t grow facial hair, have a childish voice, and have a droopy eye. Besides that, what’s probably the biggest issue for me is social anxiety. I’ve been working on it for years, and I’m finally starting to see some small progress, but it’s an uphill battle with a limited social network and little interpersonal relationsh…
/r/PurplePillDebate17/06/23 01:06 PM
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Sure, I’ll take a cookie.
/r/PurplePillDebate17/06/23 01:02 PM
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This was a purge post my dude. All of us blackpillers finally get a chance to play during that time of the year, so there’s going to be an overrepresentation.
/r/PurplePillDebate17/06/23 01:01 PM
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Meanwhile, “femcels” can just hop on a treadmill jfl
/r/PurplePillDebate16/06/23 07:41 PM
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Lol not really, because we male incels are also “insin.” If I could find a girlfriend, I wouldn’t be celibate anymore.
/r/PurplePillDebate16/06/23 07:29 PM
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Sure, but these men are not truly involuntary celibates then. That’s mainly the focus of my post here.
/r/PurplePillDebate16/06/23 01:38 PM
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Then why is the ForeveraloneWomen sub set to private? It’s almost like they don’t want the “undesirables” to actually approach them after all. Here’s another supporting point. Back in the day, I went and DM’ed loads of women on either trufemcels or FA Women (don’t remember which, but they’re cut from the same cloth). I was genuine about it, just asking if they’d like to try to get to know each other a little better, no malicious intentions or anything. No one responded. Femcels don’t want their …
/r/PurplePillDebate16/06/23 01:33 PM
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Please reread the meme until it sticks. This is projection; the fat bitch on Tinder does not want me. She just wants someone above her level.
/r/PurplePillDebate16/06/23 01:28 PM
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My dude, it was purge week. I’m just venting my unpopular opinions and having a little fun while doing it. I’m actually pretty nice irl most of the time, and most people I meet seem to agree. But sure, base your perception of my entire life around this one shitpost.
/r/PurplePillDebate16/06/23 01:27 PM
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Thank you for being kind about our situation. It’s so rare to find someone who gets it, and even rarer to find compassion.
/r/PurplePillDebate16/06/23 01:15 PM
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Yet you will not date these women, perpetuating the cycle. Holy shit, this is the last time I’m gonna let you make another baseless accusation about me with no evidence. You have no idea how wrong you are. You’re just making advice based for some version of me you created in your head. You are insufferable. If anything, you’re evidence that personality doesn’t matter much, if even a jackass like you can find a girl.
/r/PurplePillDebate16/06/23 03:51 AM
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More likely that no sane man would admit to being an incel irl. I’m positive that none of my irl friends would think that I’m an incel. They’d be aware that I struggle with women probably, but I doubt they’d suspect I was full-blown incel. It’s really not as hard to say as normies think. Bro, I don’t normally use the “friendzone” term, but what you’re describing is more like the cuckzone. I’d be happy to make more female friends, but being their emotional tampon while they whinge about how Chad …
/r/PurplePillDebate16/06/23 03:30 AM
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You’re the most based person in this thread tbh. Thank you!
/r/PurplePillDebate16/06/23 03:19 AM
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Do you ever actually interact with incels, or do you just read caricatures of them online? I’m an actual incel, and I’ve been around plenty of genuine incels, and almost none of them “live like unkempt recluses.” When incels lash out at people like you for suggesting we shower, it’s not because we’re opposed to your groundbreaking advice, it’s because you have the audacity to think we haven’t tried something as basic as that.
/r/PurplePillDebate16/06/23 03:12 AM
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I have no problem whatsoever with femcels acknowledging that they have a different set of issues to deal with. The issue is that most insist that they do in fact face the same issues, which drives me mad. I think they just can’t stand the fact that there is just one privilege that women have and men do not.
/r/PurplePillDebate16/06/23 03:05 AM
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I’m saying you’re probably projecting for assuming I don’t know how to do basic shit like take a shower lmao. You don’t know me, and you have no idea what might be holding me back. Your question is apropos of nothing, but I’ll answer it anyway. Most men can are normal people, and can totally have options and find someone, even though it’s a struggle. Some of us though (incels) do not have such luxury, no matter how hard we self improve.
/r/PurplePillDebate16/06/23 03:03 AM
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Sexuality is something that no one can change. Unless you’re telling me you think gay conversion therapy works lol. Women don’t have to change their sexuality, so men shouldn’t have to either.
/r/PurplePillDebate16/06/23 02:56 AM
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Then they’re not truly involuntarily celibate. They could have someone, but their standards are just too high.
/r/PurplePillDebate16/06/23 02:45 AM
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Just because you’re socially retarded and took a while to learn these things doesn’t mean all of us are in the same boat with you.
/r/PurplePillDebate16/06/23 02:41 AM
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You have no idea how painful it is to live your whole life alone and unwanted. If you think this is an okay outcome, then I genuinely despise you. Please learn some empathy.
/r/PurplePillDebate16/06/23 02:39 AM
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It makes me annoyed because women claim to have no one who wants them, and then they still reject truecels like me. If there really were femcels out there, they’d just pair up with us incels out of desperation and no one would be alone.
/r/PurplePillDebate16/06/23 02:35 AM
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Because I’m tired of women acting like they have it just as bad when they clearly don’t. Your story doesn’t even seem to add up. You posted on the aromantic sub too. Do you want a relationship, or are you just larping right now?
/r/PurplePillDebate16/06/23 02:27 AM
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“STOP DMING ME I DONT WANT TO SEE YOUR DICK” As usual, a femcel who is full of shit. I’m not saying you should appreciate dick pics or anything, but this indicates you’ve literally been getting men in your DMs. Not just that, but so many that it’s become an issue for you. Guess how many women are in my DMs.
/r/PurplePillDebate16/06/23 02:15 AM
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The “army of simps” rhetoric is somewhat hyperbolic, but it also usually only happens for above-average women. The contention is not that this is the experience of every woman, but that every woman—regardless of how ugly or undesirable she is—will have someone interested in her. And unsurprisingly, this observation holds true for you as well. It’s no surprise that the old adage that “there’s someone out there for everywhere” often comes from women. Women are privileged in that this is almost alw…
/r/PurplePillDebate16/06/23 01:59 AM
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Tfw when dating a short/ugly guy is so unpalatable to women that’s it’s seen as a “life of misery.”
/r/PurplePillDebate16/06/23 01:52 AM
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How old are you? And by that do you mean you’ve never had a relationship/hookup at all, or just that men don’t categorically ask you out much?
/r/PurplePillDebate16/06/23 01:51 AM
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Oh no! Not my Reddit Monopoly money! What will I do?
/r/PurplePillDebate16/06/23 01:44 AM
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Yeah, hence the original argument. The need for change and growth in the context of dating is only really a need for men. Women can do fuck all and still have men interested in them. That’s not to say they shouldn’t still try to grow as people for its own sake, but it’s not mandatory to find a partner like it is for men.
/r/PurplePillDebate16/06/23 01:40 AM
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I should have been more clear. A man that’s actually attractive to women is how I’m defining Chad here. This is just semantics. The point remains that women don’t have to try to at least have options, whereas men have to go reach their apotheosis to have some 2/10 smile at him.
/r/PurplePillDebate16/06/23 01:37 AM
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<image> Me waiting for a woman to like me for who I am.
/r/PurplePillDebate16/06/23 01:34 AM
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Yes, and most of these women have plenty of orbiters already. They don’t do it so they can be more appealing to men, they do it so they can be more appealing to Chad.
/r/PurplePillDebate16/06/23 01:30 AM
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More evidence that women literally cannot fathom what it’s like to be truly unwanted. I get it, we men generally have a hard time empathizing with female-specific struggles too. I just wish people recognized that some issues are unique to men. There literally is no female equivalent to an incel’s level of desperation; otherwise, she’d find someone in a heartbeat.
/r/PurplePillDebate16/06/23 12:44 AM
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Yes please 🙏
/r/PurplePillDebate16/06/23 12:39 AM
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Oh weird, someone engaged genuinely with the shitpost. Anyway, you seem to be mistaken: I’m not redpill, I’m blackpill (understandable confusion as there is no flair for it). I’ve already looked at myself and realized there’s nothing that anyone would want there. I’m trying to better myself but by bit, but here’s the thing you self-improoovement folks never seem to get: some of us do try and still fail. And I get it, you can’t just accept defeat, so you have to try again and fail again and so on…
/r/PurplePillDebate16/06/23 12:38 AM
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Good idea, maybe I’ll check out this one sub called PurplePillDebate. I’ve heard they’ve got loads of sound advice on how to have sex over there.
/r/PurplePillDebate16/06/23 12:10 AM
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If there is, I haven’t met any. Are you familiar with the pig lady experiment? Back in the day, some incels edited a picture of a woman to try to make her as unattractive as possible (even going as far as giving her a pig nose). They then made a dating profile for this creation, and lo and behold, she still got matches.
/r/PurplePillDebate16/06/23 12:09 AM
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Yes literally lol. Before anyone snarkily brings up escorts, some incels even get turned down by them lol. I’m legitimately at the point where I’m considering if I should go after crackheads or something.
/r/PurplePillDebate15/06/23 11:59 PM
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Gotta be the best at something, even if it’s the best at being the worst. In all honesty, it’s really because it’s annoying going on the virgin sub or FA sub and seeing posts from women about how Chad rejected them :( I cannot relate, and it should be relegated to a separate sub (there’s already a FA women sub anyway.)
/r/PurplePillDebate15/06/23 11:57 PM
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Sorry, I forgot heterosexual sex was a female privilege. Anyway, I know you’re memeing too, but honest to God I’ve gotten so desperate that I’ve considered going to a gay bar just to feel what it’s like to be hit on. Edit: Here’s a link to a thread I made about it in case you don’t believe me.
/r/PurplePillDebate15/06/23 11:55 PM
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This is what female dating privilege is. Knowing you’re attractive to enough men that eventually you’ll find a good match who genuinely finds you sexy, regardless of what you look like. Meanwhile, men need to just accept that next to no women will find us genuinely attractive, so we better latch onto anyone who at least tolerates us. Plus, it seems like you’re advocating that men only go after women we feel are genuinely hot, which is absurd. It seems like a projection of female dating methods l…
/r/PurplePillDebate15/06/23 11:34 PM
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I wasn’t actually the guy who asked for sources in the first place lol. Yeah, I got bored because your examples didn’t indicate what you claimed they were. You haven’t provided any compelling examples. I’m sorry, but “fatsies” is pretty fucking tame, all things considered. You realize you’re on the Internet, right? It’s certainly a far cry from “land whale” or “fat cow” like your meme suggests.
/r/PurplePillDebate15/06/23 07:32 PM
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If a fair society entails most men living their lives alone because women’s standards are that high, then I don’t want a fair society.
/r/PurplePillDebate15/06/23 06:04 PM
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I got bored after reading the first 3 non-examples, but where are the insults in these exactly? I guess the first one used the term “fatsies,” which is kind of mean. The only thing I’m agreeing with here is that they’re needlessly long lol.
/r/PurplePillDebate15/06/23 05:59 PM
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Redditors when they find out deleting the incel subreddits doesn’t mean incels just magically disappear:
/r/PurplePillDebate15/06/23 05:36 PM
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Women: “stop acting like women not wanting to fuck you means that we hate you!1!1” Also women: “I hate incels.”
/r/PurplePillDebate15/06/23 05:27 PM
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Sex-haver detected. Opinion rejected.
/r/PurplePillDebate15/06/23 05:22 PM
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The word has lost all meaning if there are inCELs with sexual history.
/r/PurplePillDebate15/06/23 05:14 PM
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Also goes the other way. -Leftists arguing that a small portion of elites hoard most of the wealth. -Leftists explaining how the 80/20 rule in dating is a myth and you just need to pull yourself up by your bootstraps. People seem to weirdly just invert whatever their economic politics are for their dating philosophy.
/r/PurplePillDebate15/06/23 05:28 AM
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Let’s not cope too hard. The average age to lose virginity is like 17, and I assume having a first kiss would probably be around 15. We’re definitely the abnormal ones left behind in life. It’s just the statistical reality. Anyway, I’ve struggled most of my life with socializing, which is the main reason I’m alone in the first place (among many other reasons unfortunately). I currently have a somewhat decent social circle of coworkers though. I try to go out and take advantage of any social oppo…
/r/PurplePillDebate15/06/23 05:24 AM
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Yeah, I’m a hopeless virgin, so having a sex drive is completely pointless for me. It just makes me depressed when I see hot women and realize none have ever been attracted to me (or average women, or below average women…)
/r/PurplePillDebate15/06/23 05:19 AM
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I’m 25.
/r/PurplePillDebate15/06/23 05:13 AM
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Sometimes, there is a girl in your orbit who likes you Haha, yeah…
/r/PurplePillDebate15/06/23 05:08 AM
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Exactly, it is easier. So did you change your mind then? It’s just easier across the board for women in this arena.
/r/PurplePillDebate30/05/23 01:34 PM
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So let me get this straight. The disadvantaged women could have someone who would commit to them, but they simply don’t desire such individuals. The disadvantaged men are the aforementioned undesirables that no one will even consider dating. And how exactly does this support that women don’t have it easier?
/r/PurplePillDebate30/05/23 05:53 AM
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The truly hopeless ones probably also aren’t going out much. This is one of the rare instances where I think not touching grass can give a better picture lol. Because all the hopeless guys who can’t find a girl are at home on forums like this. So the people you see in your friend group are already in a position that’s more favorable to them.
/r/PurplePillDebate30/05/23 05:02 AM
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I agree heavily on the aspect that it’s not something that can be changed. That’s why I admittedly do kind of lean somewhat towards bl*ckpill, albeit with a bit more nuance than others. Ultimately, the dating scene is just hopeless for some of us; there’s not even really any realistic solutions that can happen. If anything, it’s strange to me that people get so shocked that people like this without any hope of finding love or happiness or even just validation as a human being sometimes lash out …
/r/PurplePillDebate30/05/23 03:40 AM
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Yes, and the bitterness and frustration emerges when you cannot find even one. Hence, the whole existence of incels more or less.
/r/PurplePillDebate30/05/23 03:31 AM
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I feel like everyone knows men who are below average in terms of being conventionally attractive and who are, nonetheless, in relationships See, whenever I hear this sentiment, all I can think of is that infamous OK Cupid study that found that women find 80% or so of men physically unattractive. So like, of course from women’s perspective it seems like a lot of ugly guys are getting girls? That’s because to most women, most guys are ugly. And I get it, I’m not so bl*ckpilled that I think it’s li…
/r/PurplePillDebate30/05/23 03:29 AM
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A lot of us unattractive men are not wanted by unattractive women either.
/r/PurplePillDebate30/05/23 03:22 AM
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Literally relationships and happiness could be in the palm of their hands if they just TRIED TO BE A BETTER PERSON. You were making decent points until you got here. I’m trying to find a civil way to say this, per the sub’s rules, but this really speaks to a shallow level of empathy for many men’s actual experiences. It’s such a fundamental mismatch from my lived experiences that I don’t even really know how to argue against it. It’s like when you get the crazy right-wing people who act like rac…
/r/PurplePillDebate30/05/23 03:06 AM
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I’m in incel-adjacent places pretty frequently, so I’m not shocked by any casual sexism since that would be pretty hypocritical. But I do find it hilarious what misandrist things women can get away with saying compared to men. Imagine if I casually dropped that I would be indifferent to the widespread loss of women’s lives. Somehow, I don’t think the Reddit police would take too kindly to that.
/r/PurplePillDebate30/05/23 02:50 AM
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I’m not sure I understand what your point is. That article is exactly what I’m talking about though. How could the average number of sexual partners for 5’4 men be 9, and the average for the other heights above that, if the overall average is about 9? That’s statistically impossible, unless the numbers in that first study are not actually reflective of the general population.
/r/PurplePillDebate24/05/23 07:04 AM
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It’s truly baffling to me that with any other social issue, when you bring up the struggles and injustices one side faces, you’re almost always met with sympathy and commiseration. But then when heightism is discussed, it’s always “grow up and get over it.”
/r/PurplePillDebate24/05/23 06:46 AM
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I too watched some of that Destiny debate. Anyway, I’m honestly kind of skeptical of that study. The authors themselves even point out that it’s odd that their data doesn’t really track with most of the other studies about the disadvantages short people face in dating. Not only that, but even the supposed lowest averages for the 5’4 men seem to be significantly above the average for American men (most of the sources I’ve looked at have different numbers for this, but the largest average I found …
/r/PurplePillDebate24/05/23 06:42 AM
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I’m going to be totally honest and say that I think I started feeling off-put by feminism once I started going down the incel rabbit hole. (I still think the blackpill has its legitimate points over red/blue pill, but that’s another rant for another time.) I honestly think that the lack of intimate relations with women is what drives a lot of men to feel more hostile to women. People can screech about us being ‘entitled’ all they want; it doesn’t make those feelings go away. men I go on dates wi…
/r/PurplePillDebate08/09/22 12:51 AM
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Upvoted for putting in serious effort into a rebuttal even though I disagree. But yeah, I call bs on this being the underlying reason for the discrepancy. For one, there is a huge gulf between the sexes, so there would have to be an equally huge number of women in their twenties who date men in their thirties. I’m not denying it happens by any means, but I would have to see exactly what the figure is in order to give this theory more faith. But the other reason I doubt this, is because the gulf …
/r/PurplePillDebate24/08/22 01:39 PM
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So many people in the comments are jumping through hoops to find explanations for this that pin the blame on men, when the simpler solution is just hypergamy. Either Occam’s razor is dead, or you people have some studies to support your theories that you’re not sharing with the rest of us. Either way, I honestly don’t care what the cause of this trend is. This drastic rise in sexlessness is alarming regardless of what’s causing it. When roughly 30 percent of young men are not getting any sex, th…
/r/PurplePillDebate24/08/22 07:02 AM
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under capitalism lmao it’s always capitalism with you leftists. I swear, you could sprain your ankle and you’d find a way to blame it on Reagan.
/r/PurplePillDebate24/08/22 06:53 AM
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A higher percentage of women are in relationships than young men lol this theory makes zero sense. You know that a heterosexual relationship comprises a woman and a man right? How could there possibly be more women in relationships than men? Unless you’re saying most women date a small subset of men, which still sounds like hypergamy to me. The only other possible explanation for your theory would be if there were significantly more lesbians than gay men, which is both ridiculous and not borne o…
/r/PurplePillDebate24/08/22 06:46 AM
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