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Don't shit were you eat. But: If you are a highly confident guy with abundance you can. Having sex with someone and breaking it of wouldn't be much of a problem for you running into her everyday. I wouldn't go for anything relationshippy though. And even if you don't care she might. And maybe she has issues. So yes. But you have to make sure you are just going for something casual. Make it very clear to her that it is casual. And screen her if she at least is moderately emotionally stable.
/r/seduction20/10/19 10:50 AM
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I disagree. In my experience a compliment works. You just have to make sure it comes from a genuine feeling. And it isn't something you throw out there to win points. Women feel when you are kissing up to them or lying. I asked myself the question if it is a levelling behavior. I think only if it is a fake compliment. "No compliments" is good advice for needy nice guys who kiss ass and get nowhere with women. But a real compliment works great with a lot of women. Especially the ones who don't ge…
/r/seduction20/10/19 04:46 AM
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Well even if it is true. This girl is not representitive for women. Most women don't come from penetration that is already 20 percent. Since fingering is even weaker. I think you already are talking about a few percent. But the time? That doesn't exist. Only thing I can think of is that the girl did a lot of pre work. And was already horny all week. But anyways it doesn't matter. This is situation you won't encounter much in your life. Also does this girl even know what cumming is? What is she 1…
/r/seduction14/10/19 08:09 AM
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Than it is definitely bs. Where are you from?
/r/seduction13/10/19 04:18 PM
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Small markets areas? Are you for real? What is that going to do?
/r/seduction13/10/19 07:56 AM
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Seducing women is a combination of just being yourself plus seduction skills. Being yourself mean having social skills and attractive qualities. What seduction does is bring those attractive qualities out more and to focus them. If the "being yourself" part is missing. Meaning not having social skills in general it will be harder and harder to change that the older you get. It is never too late. But if you have aspergers and no social skills in yoir thirties. You won't be casanova anymore. I wou…
/r/seduction13/10/19 07:53 AM
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I think your game should first be getting friends. Seduction/game is advanced social skills basically. Although some advice will work anyways. Some guys have to explained they have to have basic hygiene get a wardrobe and they have to be positive talking to women.
/r/seduction13/10/19 07:42 AM
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Get a life. That is how you deal with anything really. Don't focus on negative things. Have fun things in your life so you don't have the time to contemplate your failings. It distracts and it helps you to overcome that narrative
/r/seduction13/10/19 07:39 AM
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I think you are right. You have nothing to offer a girl. And your place is not the seduction sub. To better your situation you should first aim to develop rudimentary social skills. First try to interact with a human being. I am serious. Try to have a conversation. Than try to have a fun conversation. Start somewhere easy like a club with similar interests. Than make it harder. Talk to a girl. Maybe start a conversation waiting in line etc. If you made friends and have regular social contact. Th…
/r/seduction13/10/19 07:33 AM
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She comes in 60 seconds? I think you are a lying 16 year old. Or she is lying to you.
/r/seduction13/10/19 07:23 AM
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Asking if she wanted to meet? You mean she is not from real life?? You have problems asking girls out that you haven't met??? What is happening to this sub!
/r/seduction13/10/19 07:21 AM
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Just move on the music. Do what comes naturally. I seldom see a girl who actually dances. Everybody just moves. Do it confidently having a good time. And you are good.
/r/seduction13/10/19 04:08 AM
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If she doesn't know you that well than you can test the waters. If she doesn't know you or/and it is obvious she has a bf. You may come of as a loser. And never wait on someone to het single. Find other girls.
/r/seduction13/10/19 03:39 AM
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Make moves on a girl more quickly. The longer you wait the worse it becomes. With most women you fail. And it takes a lot of practice to become good. You have to except failing as a part of life. Just make your moves and get burned already. You will learn how to better handle failing. And tweak your expectations to reality. It won't be hard to start of putting (small) efforts with mutiple girls after that.
/r/seduction13/10/19 03:35 AM
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Alright this is a way more original and deeper post than 95 percent on the seduction sub. Been reading the seduction sub for two years now and I have never seen such a post. Thx for sharing Edit: alright I take that back. The links you shared are bullshit gurus. (Except jordan)
/r/seduction12/10/19 10:18 PM
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Every well know seduction book is a ok. And non of them are game changing. If you take any book(or onlinecourse) on seduction of the past 10 years. There is a lot of overlap. It all gives you a reason to put yourself out there and follow a basic mindset and plan. This gets you started. When you start practicing is were you really start learning. To have a good mindset and plan in the beginning is very important. What is less important is the slight differences in details in various methods. In y…
/r/seduction11/10/19 09:14 AM
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Well get better close friends(for future reference). She sounds like a judgemental close minded follow the hurd never fucked properly girl you shouldn't talk to. In such a case I would just try to explain it more. And let her know how I felt and feel about she telling me her this.
/r/seduction11/10/19 08:21 AM
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Well f those girls. The first girl you had some misunderstanding going on. But still some girls are crazy anxious make weird jumps. If things don't go exactly their way they stop in the middle of something wanting you to leave. I almost never happens (to me) but when it was obvious it was her problem. If you act in a way that most girls like. But 1 in 10 doesn't get it. It doesn't mean you are a bad person. The second girl wasn't there. But tbh I wouldn't discuss these things with people who are…
/r/seduction11/10/19 08:13 AM
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It took me three months to get my first lay starting learning about seduction. A year to get intermediate. Advanced is the biggest leap though. Not to boost. I am just saying it doesn't have to take years. But some guys need more work than others. I just needed to flirt and escalate more.
/r/seduction11/10/19 07:53 AM
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You just aren't aware of what is holding you back. Here is the deal: Try to follow a plan with a girl. Doesn't really mather what gameplan you take. Mystery method models etc. Just make sure you make plan with steps and actions. Ask yourself along the way. What should I do here? If you get that plan. Than execute it. And when it fails try to analyze why. If you don't know. And second guessing yourself driving yourself nuts. Than you have to do a hard unpopular thing. You have to find out by talk…
/r/seduction11/10/19 07:50 AM
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It is the context. If you are in a bar and drunk you can even get away with grabbing someones boobs. In public with no one around without saying anything is creepy af.
/r/seduction11/10/19 06:27 AM
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That could be yes. But it should just be a meaningful encounter. I think it is very non exact. It is just a believe what women can hold or not. They maybe sometimes think if they give it up fast a guy considers them low value and won't pit in effort. But that really depends on the two involved and time and place.
/r/seduction10/10/19 02:36 PM
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That makes sense actually. I would comment on her photos. If photos are non specific and bio is empty. I would just say something generic like original poster. Half of the time it is a compliment. But I always try to make it about her personality. Not mainly about her looks. And I try to be funny and original. A generic compliment on her looks is the weakest I do if there is nothing else to go on. In order of what is possible: say something funny/original commenting on profile give a specific co…
/r/seduction10/10/19 08:59 AM
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Beginning with a compliment is weak? When should you pay a compliment? What else would he open with? In my experience compliments usually get a response.
/r/seduction10/10/19 03:08 AM
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They try to seek out guys who are good fucks. Emotional connection.... no not necessarily. In my experience girls get turned on when they get turned on and want to fuck. They block themselves with slut shaming. Also the first time sex with someone isn't better if you know for 2 hours or 2 months. They tend to forgive bad sex more if they are in love with the guy though. They want to feel comfortable and save. That isn't the same as an emotional connection.
/r/seduction09/10/19 04:42 PM
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I never have that happen to me. Also I like keeping the tension sometimes. Put pressure on her. Most women have enough to talk about. Don't be that guy that has to fill every silence. A difficult balance sometimes though. You don't want have the vibe that you don't have anything to talk about. Sometimes she is shy. But truthfully if there is silence and a girl doesn't want to break the silence you are doing something wrong or she just isn't interested. There is for some reason no excitement on h…
/r/seduction09/10/19 03:31 PM
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Interesting. Dominance and leading is important I agree. How do you keep dominance if the girl seems flaky with text etc. Or is shittesting you all the time?
/r/seduction09/10/19 11:31 AM
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LOL well ok that is different than. Still it is only tinder. He has to seduce in real life.
/r/seduction09/10/19 11:18 AM
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Can you explain? Why devaluing?
/r/seduction09/10/19 11:16 AM
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Interesting. Maybe I should change things. What kind of guy are you? Match with those party girls ?
/r/seduction09/10/19 11:14 AM
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NO NO NO Stop that right away. Women who fuck guys quickly aren't weird or have low self esteem. All women are sluts. They all want to fuck. Your mom your sister your gf. That shy christian bookworm wants it too. The only difference is how much girls care about what others think of them if they fuck quick. The girls who don't just internalized slut shaming. And think like you. That having sex quickly is a bad thing. Sure there are girls fucking random guys drunk with problems. Pleasure seeking d…
/r/seduction09/10/19 11:06 AM
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My script is not about the steps to GET a match but you have a match to quickly filter out the boring types and find the ONS matches Yeah I get that. I just don't really get what is so special about your approach that you F 1 in 3 matches. I am a intermediate guy myself. If I get a date I get a lay most of the time. But trough tinder getting girls on dates is already a 1 in 5 match thing. Sure I don't waste time so I screen very quickly. I am a big proponent of "fuck YES". Girls who show mixed s…
/r/seduction09/10/19 10:55 AM
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It is not bad. But these are my concerns: "Hey there, nice pics I really love your smile" Very generic. It is better than "hey" etc. But you are not standing out. Saying the same but actually showing you have put in some effort by commenting on her profile is better imo. "Yeah, you really look like a sweet girl in those pics, are you actually sweet?" Yeah that is a good. I used that. But I always use variations on those. Somehow it seem less effective to comment she looks sweet on some profiles.…
/r/seduction09/10/19 10:18 AM
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You are afraid of succes. Because if you get her in bed what than? If you get a fwb or a relationship what than? You are afraid you can't hack it. And are afraid of getting hurt. Far more common than you think.
/r/seduction09/10/19 07:33 AM
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I don't have any...... Should I? I like "you seem interesting". It conveys that you are interested but they have to qualify themselves.
/r/seduction09/10/19 07:27 AM
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That is because you are try hard. With any skill you first have to learn and than relax and forget actively focussing on it. When you are relaxed and having fun you don't forget everything about seduction. When I am anywhere and meet a girl by random chance. All what I have learned kicks in naturally. And than I have the best results. The difference is usually that you have to talk and hang with other people before you approach. You have to warm up socially. It is normal if you haven't talked to…
/r/seduction09/10/19 07:19 AM
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No women dislike game as much as men do ;). People just don't like that other people are learning ways to "manipulate" them. The truth is that it is not manipulating. It are just social skills. There is no difference in learning social skills from a book or by doing. We all want sex and relationships. If we know being open and friendly on a date by doing or because of a tip somebody gave or the seduction sub. The outcome and the reason for acting open and friendly is the same.
/r/seduction08/10/19 07:04 AM
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What do you think an attractive guy is? A very obvious gamy guy doesn't get a lot of women.
/r/seduction08/10/19 06:42 AM
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This slayer friend has game. Too many good looking guys I know ruining their changes.
/r/seduction08/10/19 06:41 AM
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It is a small advantage. But in the mind of the average guy who doesn't understand women it is big. Because they think that attraction for women is about basic physical features the same as men. They are attracted to women because of basic physical features. That is what they understand. So that is what they see. If you have a hamer every problem is a nail. They almost always underplay that to create attraction in a girl they must act a certain way. This is also amplified by dating apps and othe…
/r/seduction08/10/19 06:36 AM
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A smile is never creepy. Your behavior while smiling can be.
/r/seduction08/10/19 06:03 AM
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Sidebar sidebar sidebar
/r/seduction07/10/19 10:45 PM
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You would be suprised. Had a girl shit test me online for days. They are just making jokes as far as they are concerned. If she is talking to you you are good. Remeber women who are curious about you and feel attracted shit test you. The ones who don't don't bother. One of the easiest lays I ever had.
/r/seduction07/10/19 10:44 PM
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Is this any good to watch. Or just a way that guys who are into seduction getting more anxiety about approaching? Because I have plenty thank you.
/r/seduction07/10/19 10:41 PM
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Simple but good advive. Smiling does a lot actually. You seem kind fun and approachable. Some guys get laid a lot because they just laugh a lot. Yes really. Just think of a girl that smiles all the time. How does she make you feel?
/r/seduction07/10/19 10:32 PM
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Owh that is easy. Don't give a fuck about the opinion of others. If they don't approve they are just judgemental rigid assholes. With probably some jealousy. A lot of seduction guys who are succesfull get jealousy from guys. They don't get as much women so they play they are morally superior. Don't pay attention to people who are close minded and think they know everything. There is nothing wrong with an age gap.
/r/seduction07/10/19 09:20 PM
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What do you mean a problem? For what? Fucking? Well no why should it be? Relationship? Who knows it depends on who you are. It can work. But more often than not you run into different life phases.
/r/seduction07/10/19 08:48 PM
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No dude. The problem is you. You are already invested in a girl who you are on a date with. The first 4 dates even with sex things can still drastically change. It is normal. If you have to fear other guys. Than you have to work on yourself. If you lose to other guys it is not she that is the problem. It is you or that you just don't vibe as well as she does with other guys.
/r/seduction07/10/19 08:42 PM
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Yeah I know. But a lot of the time there is a conclusion or question at the end. But ok my bad :)
/r/seduction07/10/19 04:21 PM
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I wasn't much better in the beginning. First 5 dates. 3 no second dates. 1 a second date went nowhere. And just 1 lay. The lay girl was very tolerent and was optimistic and forgave all my quirks and unintentional red flags. This went on for about the first 15 dates. Learning and improving after every date. A year of seduction and it was the other way around. 5 dates 4 lays and 1 girl I just don't vibe with. Moral: it isn't you. You are just making some mistakes that doesn't create a spark. You w…
/r/seduction07/10/19 04:19 PM
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In my experience any alone time with a girl is good. But it is best to be direct and just ask women on dates. If in you subculture "studying together" is aka fucking. Than that is ok. If not than it just complicates things. It would be a nice experiment though. If you are flirting already etc. Have a vibe going on. Than I think it is ok. Just be attractive and seduce. If you spark a feeling it is good. I woud ask her after that for a date though. Don't stay indirect for too long.
/r/seduction07/10/19 04:07 PM
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So what is the point of your post?
/r/seduction07/10/19 04:01 PM
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A far too general question. This whole sub is about getting good with women. Only specific in your question is 20+. Well you get good with women and you just do it more if you want to have sex with someone else every 2 weeks.
/r/seduction07/10/19 03:49 PM
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Yes
/r/seduction07/10/19 03:11 PM
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I think being a great seducer is something you can aspire but like being a great piano player or soccer player. Just because of the bell curve only 1 percent is truely great at it. But aspiring to become better you can improve to a higher level. Most of us won't be having a harem of the hottest women. It depends what your starting point is, talent and how happy you are in other parts of your life. But a lot of guys can improve. Imo seduction isn't for the 10 percent who doesn't get anywhere with…
/r/seduction07/10/19 02:18 PM
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You have to take it seriously take a break. Seriously take a break and so. Untill your default mode is attractive and you can create oppurtunity as a normal part of your life. While being relaxed and enjoying yourself. But not putting in serious effort at some point you won't improve.
/r/seduction07/10/19 02:08 PM
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To problem is that getting better at seduction takes self improvement. And it takes self reflection self analyzing and honesty to self improve. This is hard and takes time. Results in the seduction community varie greatly. It attracts guys that have no succes with women at all but also normal to intermediate guys. Seduction (or game) helps best guys that have above average intelligence. Want to put in the effort. And already have reasonable attractive qualities. They just have to stop doing cert…
/r/seduction07/10/19 09:27 AM
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show an infield to a normal person who's never heard about 'game', and he'll wonder what the hell he's watching, and why people are paying coaches to tell you stuff that most people knew when they were 10 years old haha I think a normal person doesn't get much results on the seduction scale. They just get in relationships with women as soon as they are allowed to bang them. They watch infield and are confronted with a radically different approach on how to handle sex and relationships. A lot of …
/r/seduction06/10/19 09:40 AM
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Preach! We have to first envision are better selfes and than become that. Learning and working on yourself faking you trough your first 20 approaches and dates trying to be someone you are not is highly abnormal. But after awhile you become better and internalize everything you learn along the way. That accompanied by some results you start to believe in your new persona and get confidence. And than you can start acting normal again being a better person.
/r/seduction06/10/19 09:28 AM
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It will take some time and small steps to get to the point of approaching girls confidently. Intermediate seudction guys will say: just don't care about what people think of you Problem is that it isn't as simple as turning a switch to get confident. Imo when not having much confidence with women don't start with cold approaching. Try to talk to women you semi know. Or who work at a coffeeshop (just to chat). Try online dating. When you get some dates this way. And a few lays. Than you have a be…
/r/seduction05/10/19 09:06 AM
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I agree but it is more nuanced than that. Yes you should act natural that is very attractive. Why? Because women can read you better. They have the feeling they get to know you. If you in anyway put on an act to get in their pants or for whatever reason they will know and lose interest quick. Should you act normal and aloof? No because than you don't create anything. So yes act natural. But also confidently seduce.
/r/seduction05/10/19 08:55 AM
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