Ichtaca_nom Archive

Upvotes	Title	Category	Author	Subreddit	Date (UTC)
237	Males are asked to be above normal emotions. Here are alternatives when discussing hurdles.	resource	Ichtaca_nom	/r/LeftWingMaleAdvocates	14/05/21 06:54 PM

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3	Q4W: Are you aware that most young men these days are deeply ashamed of their sexuality? What is the social conservative’s answer to how to find a wife? Isn’t both side’s to be a respectful good person? I’m genuinely curious. My first thought is that the conservative’s answer is women should have less agency. But maybe you mean the sense of community a church group brings? In which case I would argue that the prerequisite of following dogma makes it a nonstarter for a large portion of the population. And the solution is to figure out new ways of irl community building in a post inte…	/r/PurplePillDebate	03/10/24 11:44 AM
–	Dating is hardest for straight men The post says people of other sexual orientations are found more “worthy of receiving love for just existing.” That’s a lot of assumptions, and frankly a big issue that I find with most of these, “things are hard for straight guys” arguments. Lots of assumptions about others lived experiences. Maybe it’s a little easier to find meaningless sex but to find love, safety, and a sense of belonging is difficult for everyone. And in fact I think safety while looking for love is harder for other demogr…	/r/PurplePillDebate	04/09/24 07:57 PM
1	Fathers of kids born from sex tourism shall not be hold responsible for those kids What the f are you talking about‽ “not our battle to fight?” The choice to travel to a third world country and then pay to have unprotected intercourse with a sex worker is “sad but not our battle?” Or your argument on an Internet forum that there should be no repercussions for impregnating a sex worker in an economically disadvantaged country is not “our” battle to fight? What is this post even for? Get a life dude!	/r/PurplePillDebate	19/08/24 03:37 PM
10	Most single lonely men are not struggling with women because they're old fashioned misogynists Why are you gatekeeping being alone?	/r/PurplePillDebate	30/11/23 05:58 AM
-5	Most single lonely men are not struggling with women because they're old fashioned misogynists WoMeN AmIrIgHt? Good thing men never judge people by their physical appearance.	/r/PurplePillDebate	30/11/23 05:56 AM
1	The body-shaming of short men on social media has reached epidemic proportions, yet there seems to be no mainstream discourse about it. Why? OP makes a great point. Nothing in that original post puts others down or uses whataboutisms. It deals with a real issue affecting men’s health and focuses on that. Why is it necessary to bring up this generalized animosity towards “most women?” A disproportionate majority of top US Company’s CEOs are over 6’ tall. They are also disproportionately male. Society clearly disadvantages both women and short men in the c-suite and business settings more generally. Where we see antagonism, we should s…	/r/PurplePillDebate	05/10/23 04:43 AM
6	Someone being a "strong and independent woman" is a major red flag for most man What phenomenon exactly, the post is pretty long and has a lot of parts to it? Do I like terrible people, the answer is no. Do I assume a woman is terrible because she sees strength and independence as a virtue, nope. I generally think the OP is a straw man argument. I don’t know that the people you are referring to actually exists in every aspect you describe. Maybe I’ve just gotten lucky and haven’t met these crazed women but I like to think that by showing that I have progressive views on gen…	/r/PurplePillDebate	17/08/21 06:03 PM
2	Someone being a "strong and independent woman" is a major red flag for most man I speak for them in terms of associations you ascribed with the phrase “strong, independent woman”. This feels like a pedantic point. I disagree that hearing a woman use that phrase is a turn off or whatever. The phrase doesn’t translate to “bossy” for me. Interdependence isn’t the opposite of bossy either. I am happy with a woman making up her own mind without my input, if I love and respect her, I love and respect her ability to form opinions as well. Or do you disagree with me? Edit: for clar…	/r/PurplePillDebate	17/08/21 05:27 PM
1	Someone being a "strong and independent woman" is a major red flag for most man I can’t really speak for my friends. But I would say I like a partner who is an equal. I feel that I am an individual and so should she be. Gender roles have their place but I don’t want to have to take out the trash all the time and let her cook every dinner because some ad guy in the 40s decided that’s the way things should be. I like being able to make my own choices and be able to rely on her to be able to do the same. Communication is obviously key. Big things should be decided together but…	/r/PurplePillDebate	17/08/21 05:09 PM
1	Someone being a "strong and independent woman" is a major red flag for most man How do you know “most” men’s opinion on the matter? Me and my friends would disagree.	/r/PurplePillDebate	17/08/21 04:58 PM
2	Someone being a "strong and independent woman" is a major red flag for most man I don’t really understand, I’m a dude and I am fine with “strong, independent, women”. I assume if a woman and I share common values, perspectives, … like each other, then she wouldn’t be a headache due to being “strong” or “independent.” It seems you are describing incompatible people. I feel it would be a headache to have a partner that is weak and dependent.	/r/PurplePillDebate	17/08/21 04:56 PM
3	Someone being a "strong and independent woman" is a major red flag for most man Every guy I know (myself included) wouldn’t bat an eye at this phrase. If a woman were to describe herself this way I would assume she is trying to portray herself as a responsible adult. I don’t read into it all the things stated in the OP. I think this is an opinion created through the natural insularity that occurs through social circles. I don’t hang out with conservatives. Not as a rule but because the people I get along with most, share my values. TLDR: Your (and Op’s) feelings about “stro…	/r/PurplePillDebate	17/08/21 04:36 PM
2	This is why we can't get people to understand what we are about. Journalist calls "Men’s-Rights Activism Is a Gateway Drug for the Alt-Right" That’s fair	/r/LeftWingMaleAdvocates	10/06/21 07:31 PM
0	This is why we can't get people to understand what we are about. Journalist calls "Men’s-Rights Activism Is a Gateway Drug for the Alt-Right" I agree and actually regret making that specific comment. However, I would also say calling the left stupid is not the most cogent critique of leftists. I suppose the better argument would be that not addressing the grievances of a group can lead to alienation and defection though I think another comment on this post already made a very good argument along these lines. But saying this is even near the equivalent of that is too generous. This sub does challenge my tolerance of disagreement though…	/r/LeftWingMaleAdvocates	10/06/21 05:16 PM
-2	This is why we can't get people to understand what we are about. Journalist calls "Men’s-Rights Activism Is a Gateway Drug for the Alt-Right" Got me dude.	/r/LeftWingMaleAdvocates	10/06/21 04:45 PM
-5	This is why we can't get people to understand what we are about. Journalist calls "Men’s-Rights Activism Is a Gateway Drug for the Alt-Right" You seem to be making a lot of assumptions yourself. I forgot the part in the feminist manifesto all feminist swear by in the initiation ceremony, where it explicitly says criticism is not allowed. I also never said you were conservative, but i don’t think I’m out of line calling a tirade against “the left” and “woke” journalists conservative. Also, diversity seems to mean a specific thing to you and your definition doesn’t seem to include BIPOC or LGBTQ+ but rather just conservative viewpoints.…	/r/LeftWingMaleAdvocates	10/06/21 04:15 PM
1	This is why we can't get people to understand what we are about. Journalist calls "Men’s-Rights Activism Is a Gateway Drug for the Alt-Right" Well… I don’t know if we can definitively say there are “no” feminist straw men. I see a lot of “feminists are all men haters” type of messages in the comments to posts on this sub.	/r/LeftWingMaleAdvocates	10/06/21 04:02 PM
1	This is why we can't get people to understand what we are about. Journalist calls "Men’s-Rights Activism Is a Gateway Drug for the Alt-Right" I’m a POC cis male, I know systems of oppression are real, but also understand that we are in the middle of a social reckoning where white people and men can be victims of overcorrection. I continue to be part of this sub because I hope to see a community of like minded people but this sub is tough sometimes since so many people believe things I find indefensible. The very fact that OP identifies with any part of the MRA discussed in the article is bonkers to me. I see the article as so far remo…	/r/LeftWingMaleAdvocates	10/06/21 03:59 PM
2	This is why we can't get people to understand what we are about. Journalist calls "Men’s-Rights Activism Is a Gateway Drug for the Alt-Right" I think you may be giving people too much credit. I don’t think they have bad intentions. Or are seeking to undermine all thoughts pertaining to male advocacy. Every villain is a hero in their own mind. Some of the points made in the article seems to lead to the conclusion reached by the author. Men’s rights can align with extreme conservative politics. As left wing male advocates I would say we are clearly proof that that is not the only point of view to approach men’s advocacy. Its important n…	/r/LeftWingMaleAdvocates	10/06/21 03:29 PM
3	Males are asked to be above normal emotions. Here are alternatives when discussing hurdles. Perhaps you just needed more structure then public school gave?	/r/LeftWingMaleAdvocates	15/05/21 06:27 PM
3	Males are asked to be above normal emotions. Here are alternatives when discussing hurdles. Haha, yeah, maybe.	/r/LeftWingMaleAdvocates	14/05/21 10:15 PM
1	Don't shame yourself after masturbating Totally agree, sex work should be legal. And this bill seemed pretty stupid before Trump signed it into law and continues to be. Having said that, I don’t think that stance contradicts with advocating awareness of where your porn comes from. Don’t throw the baby out with the bath water. Sex trafficking does exist. There are places where porn is created ethically. And we are all free to do as we choose, whether that is making or consuming. My argument is more along the lines of, “it’s better to w…	/r/LeftWingMaleAdvocates	14/05/21 10:13 PM
1	Don't shame yourself after masturbating Class dynamics matter in that human trafficking and forced prostitution is fairly common in the porn industry. I would also say even when not explicitly forced, economic coercion is also a factor. I wasn’t actually making any assumptions about the OPs stance on this. I don’t think they said enough for me to make any judgment. I stand by, “if you must” I don’t personally want to endorse porn use/consumption. Capitalism is explicit exploitation of labor and I feel maybe worse about it if it is sex…	/r/LeftWingMaleAdvocates	14/05/21 09:03 PM
21	Males are asked to be above normal emotions. Here are alternatives when discussing hurdles. Men are often times asked to be above emotions when dealing with hurdles in their lives. It’s important to show we are here for each other when we see our brothers (or even sisters) struggling.	/r/LeftWingMaleAdvocates	14/05/21 06:56 PM
-1	Don't shame yourself after masturbating Yes! Thank you for saying this, I was gonna comment the same thing. Masturbation is fine and healthy but a lot of porn can be problematic. Especially porn that is illegal. Consenting adults can do what they like with each other but unless you know the porn is ethically made it can be in a gray area morally. Not just revenge porn or amateur porn shared without the knowledge or consent of one of the people involved but class dynamics can also be a factor. Again, if you want to touch yourself, have…	/r/LeftWingMaleAdvocates	14/05/21 06:32 PM
1	How did Women and Men both working become an ideal Let me see if I can paraphrase your position: Poor women can marry up, poor men will never have a chance. This is proof that upward economic mobility is much higher for females. Because [marriage based] female class mobility is higher than men’s, our class based structures of power benefit women more than men. “I’ve always said that class distinctions Benefit women and disadvantage men” Therefore class inequality is the same as gender inequity? “Hence criticizing female gender privilege is criti…	/r/LeftWingMaleAdvocates	27/04/21 02:42 AM
1	Respecting Women You have a point, I just ate some BBQ and am in much better spirits. I agree that domestic violence is atrocious no matter the gender of the perpetrator or victim and I hope no one who has gone through something like that feels that I am dismissing their experience. That is not my intention. Perhaps the root of the disagreement is a misunderstanding or miscommunication of the term “respect.” All people deserve a certain level of respect. The type of respect that is earned is different. For insta…	/r/LeftWingMaleAdvocates	25/04/21 02:05 AM
1	Respecting Women Whoops, sorry, shouldn’t have assumed. Have a great day!	/r/LeftWingMaleAdvocates	25/04/21 01:30 AM
0	Respecting Women Right, I didn’t say otherwise, you and OP are arguing with a scarecrow.	/r/LeftWingMaleAdvocates	24/04/21 10:49 PM
-20	Respecting Women Maybe I’m basing my position on some of the comments I’ve been seeing, maybe the anti-feminist perspective has been over represented in the text I have personally been reading in this sub. I don’t think it’s in bad faith to see this post as mainly concerned with examples of terrible women. Also, maybe I’m in the minority, but I find it pretty obvious that not all people deserve instant and unquestioned respect. I’m a product of this society but I know that Anne Coulter is an idiot and I have a r…	/r/LeftWingMaleAdvocates	24/04/21 10:47 PM
-28	Respecting Women This post is about “respecting women.” It’s basically about how women don’t automatically deserve respect. You could skip the text, read my last two lines and you get the basic idea. Have I mentioned men? Have I advocated for the health or wellbeing of men? Nope. The OP makes the above argument through a male perspective perhaps, but men are kinda superfluous to the core argument. If we assume a third gender, the above message could still apply. This post is about women. In a male advocate sub. …	/r/LeftWingMaleAdvocates	24/04/21 09:38 PM
-34	Respecting Women Why does this sub have so many posts about women and how they are lousy? I thought this was a sub to support men not bash women.	/r/LeftWingMaleAdvocates	24/04/21 09:13 PM
1	Possibly off-topic, but this is the first ally to working class men's issues on Breadtube I've found who's prepared to challenge liberal feminism. (Besides early Vaush) Amazing video This video is interesting. I am honestly new to this sub and (I guess) could be labeled a SJW since my views seem to align with a lot of the Batman character’s in the video. First, I’ll say this video does not seem to be made for me. While I like that she uses a foil to present her arguments, she depicts the SJW as the worst version of it’s stereotype. A white rich dude that overreacts while using liberal catch phrases and making some straw man arguments does a lot to make her seem cool if I bel…	/r/LeftWingMaleAdvocates	24/04/21 07:37 PM
3	How did Women and Men both working become an ideal Playing devil’s advocate here, do we not need to solve the issues that divide us before we can unite against the upper class? If we still believe some people are more deserving than others, wouldn’t we just end up with a system in which hierarchy is defined by whatever traits are deemed superior in that society? Just substituting one system of class for another? Instead of a truly equitable system? I’m not sure if I believe my own argument but I’m curious to the counter argument. Edit: clarifica…	/r/LeftWingMaleAdvocates	24/04/21 06:04 PM
1	How did Women and Men both working become an ideal I can’t help but feel that this argument still fall into the trap of ignoring class and instead misdirecting anger at women instead of the oligarchy. My mom and dad both worked despite their very traditional ideas of gender roles (if my mom could have stayed at home, she would have). This was because I grew up in a lower class. The privilege of treating work as a hobby is only for people who can afford to not work. To borrow your own words, “that’s a privilege the working poor don’t have. End of…	/r/LeftWingMaleAdvocates	24/04/21 05:51 PM
1	How did Women and Men both working become an ideal How can you agree that the oligarchy systematically undermines proletariat unity through identity politics but also deny the existence of systemic racism, all while believing men suffer from societal sexism‽ Some of the ideas in this sub are so close to my politics but just miss the mark. Bummer.	/r/LeftWingMaleAdvocates	24/04/21 05:10 PM