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My sister has body-shamed men my height right in front of me multiple times.
/r/PurplePillDebate07/10/23 06:53 PM
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There's like a plethora of peer-reviewed data pointing to the very real discrimination short men experience. You can read a small portion of the academic research here. Short men get paid less with equal qualifications, are less likely to be hired and promoted, are more likely to self-harm, more likely to commit suicide, and just generally live more constrained and less fulfilling lives. I'm not comparing this to what women experience, but you'd have to be pretty uninformed to not see that the d…
/r/PurplePillDebate07/10/23 06:35 PM
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This point never comes up when dealing the the rise of misogyny on social media. Social media is absolutely a gauge of public opinion, given that it both reflects and shapes it. And the people who are understandably concerned with the rise of Andrew Tate-types on tikok understand this intuitively.
/r/PurplePillDebate07/10/23 09:46 AM
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You don't seem to understand that the mocking short men isn't relegated to tiktok, it's just easier to screenshot social media posts as evidence of this, since I can't simply refer to anecdotal real-world experiences alone and have people take me seriously. I grew up with a mother and an older sister. The shaming of short men occurs all the time in real life.
/r/PurplePillDebate07/10/23 09:34 AM
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I don't know what to tell you. I can give you dozens of specific examples of different social media trends where women shame shorter men and fetishize taller ones, but I suspect you'd dismiss those too. It's hard for something to seem like a legitimate problem when it does affect you directly. If you only experience this sort of body-shaming in the third person, then you're going to get a skewed perspective on it.
/r/PurplePillDebate07/10/23 07:50 AM
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You see posts on subreddits like these get 200 likes. I see viral social media posts bashing short men get a million likes. The height discourse is mostly relegated to niche sections of sites like reddit, and is the furthest thing from mainstream.
/r/PurplePillDebate05/10/23 12:15 PM
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Maybe they do, but the fact that the primary beauty standards for women are weight and age, which can and do affect all women, means that all women have a vested interest in combating those standards. There's a general belief that beauty standards end up negatively affecting all women in the long run, including the ones who are currently considered attractive. Some tall men might feel bad that their short friends are being body-shamed, but people tend to be far less assiduous about supporting so…
/r/PurplePillDebate04/10/23 09:44 PM
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I have no idea when I made that post, it must've been years ago, but it's not really pertinent to the topic at hand. It's honestly quite pathetic to go through someone's posting history in order to try to find a "gotcha" and the best you can come up with is a post they made years ago saying that dating a short man can be pretty hard. You are hiding your height To be clear, posting your height on tinder only became the norm like last year. When I made this post about half the people on the app di…
/r/PurplePillDebate04/10/23 07:46 PM
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People have a tendency to view the problems that only affect them as being particularly egregious, since they obviously don't experience the effects of the problems that don't apply to them. The actual issues men face regarding height would qualify as discriminatory in any other context. Pay disparity, less likely to be in positions of power, universally viewed as less desirable partners, more likely to commit suicide, etc. Whether or not this is similar to what women experience isn't the point.…
/r/PurplePillDebate04/10/23 07:09 PM
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I said that that specific meme targets short men, not that it actively shames them. But the audio is usually accompanied by a woman standing next to a man much taller than her. And yes, a hyper-viral meme of a man standing next to a very thin woman with the words "sorry, I'm not into fat girls" playing over it would absolutely be widely critiqued as promoting harmful beauty standards to teenage girls. It's dishonest to pretend otherwise. It would be if it was widespread. The only form of body-sh…
/r/PurplePillDebate04/10/23 11:39 AM
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Any marketing firm will tell you that social media engagements are at least somewhat indicative of real-world interest. If you include the "sorry, I'm not into short guys" audio clip used in over 200,000 separate memes, then tiktoks targeting short men have billions of views collectively. This is as mainstream as it gets. The sort of streaming numbers reserved for top artists. The reason people like you conflate dating with body-shaming in this context is to associate the men who have genuine co…
/r/PurplePillDebate04/10/23 09:57 AM
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I'm gonna guess because you can find pretty much any opinion on the internet in "epidemic proportions" if you look for it, I replied to another post that made a similar point that searching for negative videos targeting other traits came up with far fewer results. Hundreds-of-thousands of videos, many of which individually have tens-of-millions of engagements and hundreds-of-thousands of likes is exceptionally rare for any subject. I'm not a short man so have never seen any of the kind of things…
/r/PurplePillDebate04/10/23 07:36 AM
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My intention wasn't to suggest that women aren't also body-shamed, but to point out that the body-shaming that men experience is comparatively ignored and accepted, even in polite society.
/r/PurplePillDebate04/10/23 05:01 AM
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A girl not being attracted to you isn't close to racism, but a pregnant woman telling you that she'd get an abortion if she knew that her potential son would end up being your height feels pretty close. And I'm saying this as someone who isn't white.
/r/PurplePillDebate04/10/23 04:59 AM
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Picking out 1. male and 2. height as the "iteration that matters" In this case it would be the iteration that doesn't matter, given that most of the beauty standards that happen to affect women (i.e. age, weight, race) have an extensive and mature academic discourse surrounding them, a discourse that tends to be quite politically/culturally influential. Short men are the exception here. No one cares. I still read articles in respected publications that feature writers shaming short men. But if y…
/r/PurplePillDebate04/10/23 04:58 AM
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Yup. One of the primary problems here is other men not caring. Men generally relish any advantage they have over other men. That's not to excuse the women engaging in body-shaming, but the onus of dealing with this should be placed primarily on men.
/r/PurplePillDebate04/10/23 04:46 AM
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Well we're not talking about historical discrimination, we're talking about now. And the existence of one form of body-shaming doesn't excuse another. Yes, body-shaming women is also wrong.
/r/PurplePillDebate04/10/23 04:31 AM
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I don't think you know how analogies work. I'm not comparing being short to having cancer. The point I was making is that a legitimate concern isn't invalidated by the existence of another legitimate concern. That was the basis of the analogy. You can be concerned over more than one issue. You likely don't care because you're not short and secretly enjoy having an advantage over other men. But saying "like this is even worth conversation" proves how callous most people are with regards to this i…
/r/PurplePillDebate04/10/23 02:23 AM
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Part of the problem is that the height issue only affects a subset of men, while anyone can gain weight. So even traditionally attractive women have a vested interest in dealing with fat-shaming. Men also tend to view each other as competitors, so non-short men are secretly grateful about any advantage they have (however small it might be), and have little interest in minimizing that advantage. On top of that men can't really be open about their vulnerabilities without at least some people viewi…
/r/PurplePillDebate04/10/23 01:25 AM
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Calling it backlash serves to legitimize it. I also don't completely buy the notion, given that many of the women doing this are traditionally attractive, and likely aren't the primary targets of male body-shaming. I think that people (both men and women) are starting to view romantic pain through a gendered lens, and as a result become bitter towards the opposite sex and create media that tries to hurt and dehumanize them.
/r/PurplePillDebate04/10/23 01:15 AM
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I can't tell if you're being serious right now, but wanting to address a certain problem isn't the same as ignoring every other problem that exists. One can care about multiple things at once. This isn't a zero-sum issue. "I think we should do a better job of detecting breast cancer earlier" "What, so you don't care about victims of prostate cancer?" Come on, be serious.
/r/PurplePillDebate04/10/23 01:07 AM
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I can't find thousands of videos with hundreds-of-thousands of likes and millions of views on 99% of subjects. I made this point in somewhere else, but people often point to misogynistic tweets and tiktoks with far fewer likes and engagements as examples of the rise of online misogyny. I see tweets with 20K likes being quoted as legitimate discourse in online articles. If I can find an endless series of videos with 500k+ likes on a particular subject, then that subject is a trend.
/r/PurplePillDebate04/10/23 12:56 AM
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If you can find thousands of examples of something that's in the top 0.1% of views and likes, then it's a social media trend by definition. I can't find this many videos with this many views and likes on the vast majority of subjects. And I posit that social media is at least somewhat of a reflection of the real world, given that A, the virality of a post is based on the tastes and desired of real people, and B, its content is created by real people.
/r/PurplePillDebate04/10/23 12:53 AM
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My post is about body-shaming, not dating.
/r/PurplePillDebate04/10/23 12:47 AM
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You think anyone above 6’0 doesn’t have problems or hasn’t attempted suicide? Not a single person in this entire reply section has even suggested that
/r/PurplePillDebate04/10/23 12:46 AM
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The distinction matters. If you don't think that body-shaming is a legitimate concern, then you aren't going to do anything to help curb it.
/r/PurplePillDebate04/10/23 12:35 AM
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It might be a good way to get the ball rolling if men could support other men similarly Sure, but part of this necessitates the acknowledgment that it's a real problem, and not just something that you should ignore, like you suggested. People like you hinder the process.
/r/PurplePillDebate04/10/23 12:08 AM
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I know why it exist, I just wonder why the people who generally concern themselves with body-shaming and online bullying seem to care.
/r/PurplePillDebate04/10/23 12:04 AM
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The problem with applying the concept of revenge to ethics is that you end up victimizing people who did nothing to you, and end up giving them an excuse to target you in return through the same logic. Like if you're okay with women body-shaming short men on the basis that men (most of whom weren't short) body-shamed them, then you also have to be okay with short men body-shaming women on the basis that women body-shamed them. It's a never-ending cycle.
/r/PurplePillDebate03/10/23 11:37 PM
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Scrolling through the first 100 or so tiktoks when searching for "flat chested", I was able to find one viral post (over 200K likes) of a man shaming flat-chested women. That's obviously not okay, but there's still a pretty big disparity between that one post and the near-unlimited number of posts body-shaming short men that pop up when I search for the term. The difference here relates to discourse. It's not that men are less shallow than women (obviously not), but women do a much better job of…
/r/PurplePillDebate03/10/23 11:33 PM
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So you’re not even going to try to surround yourself with more positive messaging Of course I am. I don't scroll through tiktok anymore. The point is that these videos exist and influence people regardless whether or not I see them. I'm not a solipsist who thinks that ignoring something makes it stop existing.
/r/PurplePillDebate03/10/23 11:28 PM
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I'm saying that if millions of people like and watch something, over and over again, then that means that millions of people agree with the sentiment being expressed, and want it to continue being expressed. The reason your analogy doesn't work is because it's about something with a factual answer, like whether or not ivermectin is a legitimate treatment for COVID. The posts on short men are expressly about an opinion, and my position is that the popularity of those posts correspond to the popul…
/r/PurplePillDebate03/10/23 11:18 PM
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I bet if you started watching more TikToks where people shame the shamers and advocating for men of all body sizes, you’ll suddenly start seeing support for short men “reach epidemic proportions.” The point that I'm making is that this isn't really true. There's a massive disparity between the number of likes and views in the posts that shame short men and the posts that support them. Even many of the biggest body positivity tiktokers, like Drew Afualo, still body-shame short men. Also, lame as …
/r/PurplePillDebate03/10/23 11:05 PM
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I'm not looking for dating advice.
/r/PurplePillDebate03/10/23 10:59 PM
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Do you understand the analogy you're making here? I'm not saying that social media accurately reports on facts, I'm saying that it roughly gauges public opinion. Your example of the ivermectin hoax is exactly what I mean. If enough people are saying someone online, then that means that there are actual people who believe this stuff, regardless of whether or not it's true morally or factually. The ivermectin hoax lead to actual people taking ivermectin.
/r/PurplePillDebate03/10/23 10:56 PM
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Violence towards shorter men absolutely exists, it just isn't systemic. Many short men have been in situations where people have been physically aggressive towards them in ways that wouldn't be the case if they were tall. Also, there are plenty of other issues that aren't necessarily tied to physical violence but we take seriously anyways (i.e. fat-shaming, pay gap, workplace discrimination, etc.).
/r/PurplePillDebate03/10/23 10:35 PM
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Can you link it?
/r/PurplePillDebate03/10/23 10:30 PM
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If these videos consistently received fewer than 50K likes, then I'd agree with you. But thousands of videos with 500K+ likes is absolutely a trend. There's a tiktok audio of a woman insulting short men that's been used in hundreds-of-thousands of separate videos, many of which have gone individually viral. Suggesting that this isn't a trend is gaslighting. At least in my opinion.
/r/PurplePillDebate03/10/23 10:29 PM
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So you think that incels who espouse the "height pill" are correct?
/r/PurplePillDebate21/09/23 12:13 AM
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When and where did I blame feminism on anything? I didn't use the term until you did
/r/PurplePillDebate18/03/20 04:12 AM
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Feminism isn't a unified ideology with a single position on any given issue. Within the past decade many countries with historically lax laws on prostitution have all actively voted to make purchasing prostitutes illegal. Sweden, Canada, and France have all criminalized it in the past few years. And not only is that process of criminalization being pushed by so-called women's rights groups, it has also coincided with more women in positions of power. It was Dianne Feinstein and Kamala Harris who…
/r/PurplePillDebate18/03/20 02:51 AM
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No, they're in favor of decriminalization, i.e. the sellers aren't charged with any crime, but the purchasers can be and often are I get that you see humans being sold into slavery as just a bi-product that might serve your needs. That would be like arguing that someone in favor of legalizing cocaine is supportive of South American cartels and the heinous crimes they commit. If you force them to operate as a semi-illegal underground industry, then it becomes effectively impossible to regulate, a…
/r/PurplePillDebate18/03/20 02:18 AM
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That's the primary impetus behind it. The second order concern about dealing with sex trafficking is just a cover. Actual sex workers all say the same thing: criminalizing prostitution actually makes their jobs much more difficult for them.
/r/PurplePillDebate17/03/20 08:33 PM
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Same reason so many of them want to ban prostitutes: because you have more power over a man if have a complete monopoly over his sex life
/r/PurplePillDebate16/03/20 01:07 AM
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https://imgur.com/a/8TJan
/r/PurplePillDebate16/03/20 12:41 AM
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You're mixing causality there. Financially successful countries have the material freedom to become less misogynistic, it's not that being less misogynistic leads to more prosperity. The Romans and Greeks were generally much more successful than their less patriarchal neighbors.
/r/PurplePillDebate16/03/20 12:24 AM
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And you do realize a society where 50% of the people don't have an incentive to work would create a huge financial burden on the other 50% that do?
/r/PurplePillDebate16/03/20 12:21 AM
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How do these men feel about society raping their bodies for use like they are so eager to rape women? Men have been sent off to war against their wills for millennia, and they generally saw it as a social duty.
/r/PurplePillDebate16/03/20 12:20 AM
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I'd have less of a problem with this if women didn't politicize the physical characteristics that they're sexually selected for (fat and slut-shaming is wrong according to an entire academic field decrying it as such, but shaming men for being short or adult virgins isn't), and if men weren't burdened with the taxes necessary to take care of other men's children through government programs.
/r/PurplePillDebate16/03/20 12:18 AM
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