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Men certainly stand to loose from marriage and divorce, and I disagree with those who claim it provides a regular’s life. I know many men stuck in sexless marriages. There is of course an alternative to marriage and that’s to date women but not get married, which I feel is a good choice for men if having a family together isn’t in the future. I think if a man wants kids, then he’s going to have to accept the potential biases of marriage.
/r/PurplePillDebate29/07/26 02:18 PM
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What your example omits, is that typically a mother and absentee father don’t just have a 50/50 financial contribution. Typically, a higher earning father would pay child support based on his income. I know a mother who lived and supported her child entirely off child support payments. Granted she lived a very low standard in an inexpensive city, but the contribution wasn’t 50/50. He was supporting them all just as he would have had she been a stay at home mother. Your scenario that a part time …
/r/PurplePillDebate26/07/26 01:49 PM
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No, it’s not women’s fault that the Ford Foundation wanted to exploit women and lower wages. How misogynistic of you to blame this on women.
/r/PurplePillDebate25/07/26 10:12 PM
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You are the one that chose to label such techniques as tactics.
/r/PurplePillDebate25/07/26 07:27 PM
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I’m not claiming one should build rapport based on things one doesn’t care about. Ask about things you are genuinely interested in and have some common ground with. As I said earlier, it’s not just about building rapport, it’s a great way to learn from others.
/r/PurplePillDebate25/07/26 06:18 PM
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Scientists and philosophers say every event has a cause. Ignoring the cause as “just happens” is fine if you are happy with the status quo, but not helpful if one wants to make changes for the better.
/r/PurplePillDebate25/07/26 05:57 PM
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I have to admit, women’s perceptions of my wealth, which isn’t hadn’t always reflected my actual wealth, have greatly influenced women’s attraction in me.
/r/PurplePillDebate25/07/26 05:19 PM
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Call it a tactic, a method or whatever you want. Attraction happens for a reason. By understanding the reasons one can decrease lost opportunities and increase the odds of success. This isn’t unique to dating.
/r/PurplePillDebate25/07/26 05:07 PM
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Many ways to build rapport. I think one of the easiest is to just keep asking people questions about themselves, what they’ve done, where they’ve been, etc. not only does this build rapport but I get to learn so much from others! Most people like to share what they know and care about and feel more connected to those who genuinely want to listen.
/r/PurplePillDebate25/07/26 04:48 PM
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Building rapport with people in general. It’s hard to establish romantic or sexual attraction if rapport hasn’t been built. Romantically/sexually escalating on that rapport at the proper time. Too early is creepy, too late and one is in the “friend zone” making escalation more difficult. Becoming very confident in general but including being content when single and not in a relationship. Men desperate to be in a relationship tend to turn women off. Sincerely being confident is an attraction in m…
/r/PurplePillDebate25/07/26 04:37 PM
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The Ford Foundation invested in second wave feminism in the late 70s and 80s precisely for this reason: To create an influx of lower paying female labor which in turn lowered wages. If you look into how women’s studies programs got started, you will see that many were established by grants from the Ford Foundation.
/r/PurplePillDebate25/07/26 04:32 PM
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Feminists like to push the idea that the wage gap must be due to discrimination against women. Traditional women admitting they want to work less, earn less and be partially supported by a husband throws a wrench into this feminist narrative, creating a problem for them.
/r/PurplePillDebate25/07/26 04:27 PM
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If someone shoots at me and I kill them in self defense, clearly they ended up the worse, but the responsibility is on them for initiating the violence. It’s the same with domestic violence. In fact, one could argue it’s not very smart of women to initiate domestic violence more than men knowing they are likely to lose worse if it escalates.
/r/PurplePillDebate20/07/26 06:12 PM
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Here’s an article citing many studies showing that women are far, far less likely to be incarcerated for the same crime and also receive notably lighter sentences when they are incarcerated. https://ncfm.org/2026/04/news/issues/criminal-sentencing/ This shows a clear sentencing bias but does not show women are more violent than men overall.
/r/PurplePillDebate20/07/26 05:54 PM
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Women initiate IPV twice as much as men according to this study which is consistent with previous studies. https://www.researchgate.net/publication/386189016_Bidirectional_and_Unidirectional_Intimate_Partner_Violence_A_Comprehensive_Review
/r/PurplePillDebate20/07/26 05:41 PM
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Experiencing attraction isn’t discriminatory. The process of categorizing people as attractive or unattractive is inherently a discriminating process.
/r/PurplePillDebate17/07/26 05:45 PM
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At least the survey read counted indoor house chores women tend to do but didn’t include maintenance tasks men tend to do. Similarly a survey might count gardening vegetables but not count hunting or fishing. So what they chose to count and not count in their “unpaid labor” is biased. Husbands and wives often agree she will do more home chores and he will provide more income. Hours spent aren’t comparable: A. If the washer and dryer are going for 8 hours, but I spend 6 of those hours online here…
/r/PurplePillDebate06/07/26 07:49 PM
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What constitutes prostitution and what doesn’t is defined by applicable law. Typically, prostitution is providing a sexual service for pay. Typically, entering into a relationship with the hope or expectation one will receive financial support does not constitute prostitution. As another answer already indicated, many wives hope to receive some financial support from a husband at some point (often when kids come among), it doesn’t make these wives prostitutes. Certainly, prostitutes, sugar babie…
/r/PurplePillDebate03/07/26 02:27 PM
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I think that first point is especially important. Many studies and articles act as if being single equates to loneliness and that being married means one has a fulfilling social life, neither of which are necessarily true. I know men who feel trapped in a bad marriage that limits their social life and also know men who look at their options, choose to stay single and have fulfilling social lives. The idea men have to marry at all costs to prevent loneliness is an agenda driven idea based on a fa…
/r/PurplePillDebate03/07/26 01:25 PM
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This is a good, relevant observation. It’s not insecure lower earning husbands that are filing for divorce, but rather higher earning wives, something that is also consistent with hypergamy. Also consider how a wife who doesn’t have a job is called a stay at home wife, where a husband without a job is often called a dead beat. Rarely are unemployed wives called dead beats. Men are still expected to pay for dates more than women. These things all fit the idea that men are overall still seen as pr…
/r/PurplePillDebate03/07/26 02:34 AM
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Refusing to acknowledge facts that don’t suit your agenda doesn’t change the facts.
/r/PurplePillDebate02/07/26 01:27 PM
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As has already been pointed out with supporting documentation, women initiate domestic violence more than men, as much as 2:1 according to the study I linked. Sorry the facts don’t suit your agenda.
/r/PurplePillDebate29/06/26 07:26 PM
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And are murdered by men more than by women, a gain putting them at greater risk. Your point is about perpetration and men do perpetrate more violent crime than women, but the question was about the risks each sex faces, not the perpetration. I suspect you know this but were trying to distract from the issue of risk, because you can’t refute the fact men face more risk than women do.
/r/PurplePillDebate29/06/26 07:19 PM
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In the U.S., men are murdered at 4-5 times the rate of women. It’s much the same in most western countries. Also, in most western countries men are victims of violent crime more so than women, though the difference there isn’t as much. Over 90% of workplace fatalities and serious injuries are men. Men die earlier than women overall. Contrary to what another answer said, women initiate more domestic violence than men. Men are more at risk of being attacked by a partner, (see source). (though if i…
/r/PurplePillDebate29/06/26 07:01 PM
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Very skewed. It’s almost always the mother who has custody so can give it up for adoption or surrender it. A father can’t take the baby away from the mother to give it up for adoption or surrender it.
/r/PurplePillDebate26/06/26 03:47 PM
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My comment is based on numerous studies and articles about dating apps. Obviously your experiences may or may not fit the norm. I wasn’t addressing your personal experiences.
/r/PurplePillDebate26/06/26 05:26 AM
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True, but stress of living as a man compounded those issues. She found living as a non much more stressful than living as a woman.
/r/PurplePillDebate26/06/26 05:20 AM
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It’s not about a fetus, it’s about a man paying child support to a person he never sees. I agree parental surrender will likely never be legal. Single mothers often can’t raise a child without external financial support. The state would rather an absentee father pay than have the state pay support.
/r/PurplePillDebate26/06/26 01:00 AM
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I actually have known a number of lesbian couples. They mostly hired out for home improvements and repairs. I’m not at all against hiring contractors or otherwise avoiding home maintenance which I’m shifting to as I gain more wealth. My point is simply that men being more proficient in such things is a mixed bag. It means I don’t need to be reliant on others but also means it tends to be my responsibility.
/r/PurplePillDebate26/06/26 12:45 AM
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I know most women are less skilled than men when it comes to home improvements and home maintenance.
/r/PurplePillDebate25/06/26 11:38 PM
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Apparently the men you know are immature with low IQ according to your previous “logic”.
/r/PurplePillDebate25/06/26 09:55 PM
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Nora Vincent lived as a man and said it was horribly difficult. https://studylive.medium.com/a-girl-that-killed-herself-after-changing-her-gender-was-it-really-that-bad-b604a550e567
/r/PurplePillDebate25/06/26 09:30 PM
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Not hyper-dependent, just like most women. Do you know how to repair a sunken spot in a patio, repair a hole in drywall, build a fence? Very, very few women I’ve met know how to do such things.
/r/PurplePillDebate25/06/26 09:19 PM
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Dating apps are overall incredibly biased in favor of women, but as they say, the devil is in the details. A guy who lives in a very small town for example may not realistically be able to meet women locally, so as online dating, even though biased might be a value added. As another answer already said, online dating slows things down which can be advantageous for men who aren’t quick in real life.
/r/PurplePillDebate25/06/26 09:04 PM
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I bet at age 69, you don’t say you’d rather die at 70 than live till 87.
/r/PurplePillDebate25/06/26 08:56 PM
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It’s not just her and it’s not about maturity. Most women have far less skill when it comes to home repair and maintenance. That’s just how it is. Women overall being provided for can have benefits but can also result in dependency which can have its problems.
/r/PurplePillDebate25/06/26 08:54 PM
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Some of the benefits would be the odds of living longer, ability to drop out of the workforce sooner, legal advantages in divorce, job hiring, business ownership, etc. Still, from my male perspective, I wouldn’t take the trade offs. I look at my girlfriend for example who really hates working, can’t do basic home maintenance, seems to constantly be involved in drama and takes an hour doing her make up, etc. I wouldn’t want all that. The challenge with this question is I’m inherently looking at i…
/r/PurplePillDebate25/06/26 08:11 PM
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As it stands, once potential conception has occurred, women have several means to legally opt out of parental responsibility whereas men generally have none. You said elsewhere that once a child is born men and women have equal rights, but that’s not really true if it’s an unmarried women. Since she has legal custody, she can give the child up for adoption, she can surrender the child or she can choose to keep it, the biological father most likely having to pay child support. Women have several …
/r/PurplePillDebate25/06/26 06:59 PM
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I’ve been studying gender issues for years, so I come mostly to share and gain new perspectives on things. I’m now in a great relationship, so have no need to vent about dating problems.
/r/PurplePillDebate20/06/26 11:56 AM
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During WW I a lot of men fought and died. Is it because they were biologically more violent than men previously and after ? Of course not. They were answering a call of duty that existed at that time. A man who has a good job to take care of his family is far less likely to turn to robbery or burglary than someone who feels they have no other choice. There are countries where most men own firearms with almost no gun violence whereas other countries have notably more. Clearly the difference isn’t…
/r/PurplePillDebate19/06/26 08:51 PM
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I think you are over complicating it. Women in places like Thailand and the U.S. are hypergamous, they want to marry up. For most women in the U.S., a middle class man wouldn’t be marrying up, but if that same kiddie class man goes to Thailand, he’s a great catch for the majority of women there. I don’t think this is a matter of anyone being taken advantage of. Thai women are simply going for the best man they can just as American women do. Certainly there are cultural difference to account for.…
/r/PurplePillDebate19/06/26 08:28 PM
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I was actually thinking about different ways assessing risk, it if I agree that there’s a difference between risk tolerance and risk assessment and that likely varies between and women. Good added point. Thanks.
/r/PurplePillDebate19/06/26 05:44 PM
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Often when women bring up a problem, they aren’t looking for a solution, but rather are seeking sympathy. Women tend to see risk as more black and white where as men tend to see it as graded. A mom thinks of junior falling off his bike and getting hurt where dad probably thinks a skinned knee is a minor consequence that comes with learning to ride a bike. Many people, both men and women have perceptions of risk that aren’t inline with reality. Driving a car is fairly dangerous yet people make it…
/r/PurplePillDebate19/06/26 03:59 PM
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I think it’s harder than ever for women to marry up to find the “good guy” they desire.
/r/PurplePillDebate19/06/26 03:08 PM
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So if a man and women have sex equally intoxicated. She claims she was raped. He can’t claim the same by law. The best he can hope for is the law allows home to claim he’s a victim of a lesser crime (if that’s recognized). Clearly you can see the bias there.
/r/PurplePillDebate19/06/26 02:43 PM
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Point to state laws that use the phrase “ made to penetrate” as sexual assault.
/r/PurplePillDebate19/06/26 02:01 PM
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Actually no. Very few college codes include “made to penetrate”. It’s very rare. Also, sexual assault isn’t the same as rape. It’s biased if a man and a woman have sex equally intoxicated he can be charged with rape but she can’t.
/r/PurplePillDebate19/06/26 01:36 PM
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The reasons it’s typically about the woman’s constant and not the man’s: Many college policies and even many state codes define a rapist as one who penetrates without valid consent and a victim as one who is penetrated without valid consent. By such definitions, when it comes to PIV sex, the man can’t be a victim. There are similarly still states that define rape only as a crime men commit against women, so again, a man can’t be the victim by definition no matter how intoxicated he is. (See cite…
/r/PurplePillDebate19/06/26 01:27 PM
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One thing many people don’t understand is that in the vast majority of title IX sexual assault cases, it’s not disputed that the sex was consensual, what’s disputed is whether the woman’s consent was valid. Drinking is the top reason cited in cases I know of but mental health issues and the woman simply not feeling empowered to say no are other reasons that have seen successfully used to invalidate consent. So, to the OP’s point, drinking while the most popular reason to invalidate consent isn’t…
/r/PurplePillDebate19/06/26 01:20 PM
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I’ve had a few girlfriends who had orgasms easily and frequently, way more than I ever could. I much prefer that to a partner who has a hard time teaching orgasm or is generally unable to. I think most women being able to orgasm often would be great!
/r/PurplePillDebate18/06/26 10:05 PM
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There’s good anthropological reasons why hypergamy became the norm and once a game comes to have biased rules, you can either play by those rules or choose not to play (stay single). A male nurse can’t just decide to marry a female doctor when female doctors are looking to marry equal or up. There are of course more men who decide hypergamy isn’t in their interest, and consciously decide to stay single rather than marry down or risk the losses that can come with divorce. With changing demographi…
/r/PurplePillDebate17/06/26 03:41 AM
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Those who seek to be advantaged over others always try to justify it. We do have good laws that make discrimination illegal such as the 29th amendment and equal pay act. In contrast laws like affirmative action for women and women owned businesses create discrimination.
/r/PurplePillDebate16/06/26 11:39 AM
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Aside from being untrue. That has nothing to do with a benefit granted to some and denied others. Biases and privileges are not one and the same.
/r/PurplePillDebate16/06/26 03:23 AM
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People choosing to enlist isn’t privilege. One group of being legally exempt from selective service is a privilege. They are different things. Matters of choice are not privilege. One group being granted an immunity is a privilege.
/r/PurplePillDebate16/06/26 02:28 AM
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More men creating successful businesses isn’t a matter of privilege. Giving legal advantages to women owned businesses is a privilege. I suppose you keep mentioning differences between men and women having nothing to do with privilege because you can’t come up with any actual current privileges granted to men.
/r/PurplePillDebate16/06/26 02:22 AM
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Yeah, I’ve paid to get my prostate checked…
/r/PurplePillDebate16/06/26 02:19 AM
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To answer your question: 57 percent of human trafficking victims are male according to the office of homeland security. (Though organizations like the UN focus almost exclusively on female victims). Though I fail to see what that victimization had to do with any privileges granted to men or women. https://www.dhs.gov/human-trafficking-quick-facts
/r/PurplePillDebate16/06/26 02:11 AM
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Obviously men dinner in child birth just as women don’t die of prostrate cancer. Those are biological realities that have nothing to do with gender biased laws like women being exempt from selective service.
/r/PurplePillDebate16/06/26 01:52 AM
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Men and women face different biological risks, but those are not matters of privilege. Bad things happening to men and women at different rates isn’t privilege. Privilege is a benefit granted to some people but not others. Why don’t you refer to some actual privileges instead of biological differences?
/r/PurplePillDebate16/06/26 01:32 AM
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Whether or not selective service results in conscription the fact is women are legally exempt which is a privilege for women. Also, selective service isn’t just about conscription. It can impact federal employment, financial aid, federally funded job training, immigration, citizenship, etc., all things women don’t have to worry about because they have the privilege of exemption.
/r/PurplePillDebate16/06/26 01:25 AM
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Exactly. Choice is not privilege.
/r/PurplePillDebate16/06/26 01:20 AM
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A privilege is a benefit including an immunity that is granted to one group of people but denied others, that in contrast to a right which generally applies to most citizens. https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Privilege_(law) Biological differences between men and women such as risk of birth or men dying younger are not matters of privilege. Men and women making different choices is not privilege. If a state grants men the right to vote but not women, that’s a privilege, but that’s been illegal since…
/r/PurplePillDebate16/06/26 01:18 AM
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The comment I was responding to incorrectly said there was no legal bias, when there is. FGM is illegal whereas MGM is not. Boys are denied the same legal protection afforded to girls. Obviously that’s biased. I agree however there are better examples of laws that advantage females over males such as women owned business advantages, selective service exemption for women, affirmative action for women, etc.
/r/PurplePillDebate16/06/26 01:01 AM
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Women have several reproductive rights after possible conception. They can take the morning after pill They can take the abortion pill. They can get an abortion. In another state if not in their own. They can legally surrender their child They can put it up for adoption. Men in contrast typically have no legal right to surrender parenthood. They do of course have the obligation to pay child support.
/r/PurplePillDebate15/06/26 09:09 PM
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It is a legal issue. FGM is illegal by law in the U.S., MGM is not. https://www.congress.gov/bill/116th-congress/house-bill/6100
/r/PurplePillDebate15/06/26 09:06 PM
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In the U.S.:Women are legally exempt from selective service. Women are advantaged in job hiring under affirmative action for women. Women owned businesses are advantaged over make owned under the women owned small business advantage program. Domestic violence is handled under a gender biased way under the Violence Against Women Act. Men subsidize women’s healthcare under Obamacare. Also, there are over 20 women only mandates to none for men. As a matter of legislation there are a number of gover…
/r/PurplePillDebate15/06/26 08:58 PM
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Many state codes and even more college regulations define a rape victim as one who is penetrated without valid consent and a perpetrator one who penetrates without valid consent. Therefore if a man and women have sex in which both are unable to give valid consent (due to drinking for example) he’s the perpetrator and she’s the victim by definition even though they both consented to the same act under the same condition. It’s very biased.
/r/PurplePillDebate15/06/26 02:26 AM
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People seem to think women are only hypergamous if women are denied opportunities, but that’s not at all why hypergamy exists. Women overall want to focus more on raising kids, etc, than being a slave to work. As an example: Just because more women than men graduate from med school doesn’t mean these women dream of supporting a husband with less income potential, they don’t. They still want (overall) to marry up and be supported at least in part.
/r/PurplePillDebate15/06/26 02:08 AM
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The president has little to do with gynocentrism.
/r/PurplePillDebate15/06/26 02:02 AM
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They (at least the democrats) have pandered to women to the point they are losing male voters. I expect they will continue to support women’s interests but I think it’s about as strong as it will get.
/r/PurplePillDebate15/06/26 01:16 AM
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It’s true that it wasn’t until 1993 that every state recognized marital rape, but consider there are still states such as Georgia that define the crime of rape only as a crime committed by men against women and still to this day do not legally recognize men as rape victims.
/r/PurplePillDebate13/06/26 08:54 PM
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No.
/r/PurplePillDebate13/06/26 08:49 PM
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Hypergamy is when it’s the norm in society for women to “marry up”, by that they mean marrying a man who will raise her socioeconomic status. Obviously, in a case of women marrying other women, this isn’t occurring.
/r/PurplePillDebate13/06/26 08:47 PM
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Feminism has without a doubt been a very successful special interest, having won not just one but many advantageous polices. Their propaganda machine would make Goebbels envious. While much can be learned by studying their tactics, men’s rights groups can’t simply just imitate feminism and have similar success. Here’s a couple reasons why: Society is gynocentric and politicians pander to the women’s vote. Men’s groups simply can’t get the political support feminism has. You mention how women und…
/r/PurplePillDebate13/06/26 08:22 PM
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No, I’m clearly not saying that.
/r/PurplePillDebate13/06/26 08:13 PM
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As I’ve gotten older my assessment of physical attraction and age hasn’t changed much. What’s changed is I now place more emphasis on other, non physical kinds of attractiveness. My current girlfriend would never be mistaken for a professional model, but her kindness, generosity and active lifestyle make her one of the most attractive women I’ve ever met.
/r/PurplePillDebate12/06/26 05:55 PM
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I often see men complain about issues unfair to men while making no effort to overcome the unfairness. Life isn’t fair, deal with it. To use an example of dating that comes up here often: I agree dating for men has gotten more difficult. So, figure out what to do about it. Get better at talking to women, do things that bring you into contact with more women, consider moving to a place that’s more conducive to dating or be content being single, but don’t get all worked up and do nothing to improv…
/r/PurplePillDebate12/06/26 05:30 PM
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Thanks.
/r/PurplePillDebate12/06/26 05:20 PM
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I’ve known women who can have them it’s just for them, having sex is a physical expression of love more than a means to orgasm. They still enjoy orgasms, it’s just they don’t need it every time. I’m not claiming that’s most women, but again, it doesn’t take most to create a gap.
/r/PurplePillDebate12/06/26 04:42 PM
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Yeah, a couple hours shoveling fozen ice or heavy wet snow in freezing temps is easy compared to throwing laundry in the machine.
/r/PurplePillDebate12/06/26 04:39 PM
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And I’ll add, it doesn’t take a high percent of women who have difficulty achieving orgasm to create a gap.
/r/PurplePillDebate12/06/26 04:36 PM
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I was really surprised when I first read about the orgasm gap, because most women I’d dated until then could and did orgasm far more than I could. Since then however, I’ve experienced a number of women who have a very difficult time reaching orgasm and some who just don’t care as much as men. Many women like the act more than the orgasm. In contrast, few men can’t orgasm or don’t care if they do or not. That right there will create an orgasm gap. Another thing is that while some surveys focus on…
/r/PurplePillDebate12/06/26 04:34 PM
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I cook breakfast, make the coffee and go the dishes every morning while my girlfriend gets ready for work. I don’t really think of it as a “chore” because it’s so easy. Neither of us cares who throws the laundry into the washer because it’s the washer that’s doing the real work. I’ll sometimes spend hours preparing a meal because I enjoy it and have the time. She loves cleaning which I don’t get. I really dint understand why so many people make such a big deal out of easy tasks that are performe…
/r/PurplePillDebate12/06/26 04:16 PM
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I run my dishwasher every other day. It’s fast and easy. Mowing about weekly.
/r/PurplePillDebate12/06/26 04:06 PM
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Hypergamy, is a heterosexual thing. It’s women wanting to marry up (marry a man). Obviously two women in a relationship can’t both marry up. As another response said, they are looking for different things in a relationship.
/r/PurplePillDebate12/06/26 02:49 PM
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Just expanding on your good comment because so many people fail to see it’s relevance.
/r/PurplePillDebate12/06/26 02:43 PM
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I think we’ve already seen an uprising to fight for women’s interests. It’s called feminism. Feminism has successfully lobbied for and won many policies for women. There have been many women’s marches including the huge one when Trump was first elected. I think the reason we saw politicians start pandering so strongly for the women’s vote, and passing legislation favorable to women and girls is precisely because of this organized effort. Democrats have especially supported this feminist uprising…
/r/PurplePillDebate12/06/26 01:34 PM
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And this is exactly why hypergamy is so relevant to today’s dating issues. As an example: decades ago when most med school grads were men, they happily married and supported a woman with less education and less income potential such as a nurse. Hypergamy fit the demographics. Now we see more women graduating from med schoool but because if hypergamy, they don’t want to marry and support a man with less education and less income potential. Women feel there are no good men left and men feel women …
/r/PurplePillDebate12/06/26 01:18 PM
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I wouldn’t find questions about men and women I admire off putting unless they fixate on that above all else. Personally, I like to find out what people enjoy doing, what makes them tick, what they want to share with someone else. I remember asking one woman what experiences she wanted to share with a man. She responded she wanted a man to come play with her kids. That told me a lot more than questions about men or women we admire. (That was the day I mostly gave up on online dating).
/r/PurplePillDebate11/06/26 10:13 PM
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He didn’t state any specific age range and I’m not misinterpreting a specific age range. Again, it’s you that is choosing to put words in his mouth he never said. Again, I acknowledge older and old are both relative, but different terms. I gave an example of just that. You misrepresent one for the other.
/r/PurplePillDebate11/06/26 07:08 PM
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I’m dating someone now (because she approached me), but like you. I’ve been very content on my own. Like you, I had no resentment, It’s more that I’m comfortable and capable of being on my own, and felt most women available simply wouldn’t be much of a value added if any. Even now, I’d say the trade offs are barely a plus. I appreciate her but she absolutely needs a man to get through life. Where I see resentment is where people feel they need the opposite sex but can’t find it. If there’s no ne…
/r/PurplePillDebate11/06/26 06:59 PM
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I’m not making up definitions, you are swapping words to misrepresent what the OP said You are essentially using a strawman to attack the OP. A 25 year old woman who dates a 30 year old man is dating an older than her but probably doesn’t think of him as an old man. A 25 year old having a relationship with a 65 year old man probably acknowledges he’s both older than her and old, as would most people. In using the word old instead of the OP’s “older” you are purposely misrepresenting the second i…
/r/PurplePillDebate11/06/26 06:42 PM
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The OP referred to older men and younger women. You misrepresented what he said by instead saying old men which isn’t the same thing. The OP gave no numbers to reference. He spoke of older and younger.
/r/PurplePillDebate11/06/26 05:40 PM
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The OP didn’t specify an age gap range. He spoke to men dating younger women. The comment I responded to also did not give a range but rather claimed women don’t want to date older men, which isn’t true as you yourself have acknowledged isn’t true.
/r/PurplePillDebate11/06/26 05:24 PM
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Both old and older are relative. The OP however was speaking of older men, not old men. You misrepresented what he said. Yes, I agree with you women are already dating older men, which isn’t the same as dating old men.
/r/PurplePillDebate11/06/26 05:15 PM
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He said older men. He didn’t say old men.
/r/PurplePillDebate11/06/26 04:56 PM
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I don’t agree with the OP that men dating younger women will become the only option. I agree that there are overall some mutual benefits to women dating men that are older than themselves, which is why women dating men older than themselves is so common. My reply wasn’t to the OP however, my reply was to the incorrect comment that most women don’t want to date older men, when in fact as you indicated, women dating and marrying older men is the norm. Women dating and marrying younger men is far m…
/r/PurplePillDebate11/06/26 04:41 PM
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I’m dating someone. I’m doing so because overall it makes my life more enjoyable. That said, I’m quite comfortable being single as well. I'm not using dating apps, not asking women out, not in anyway looking for anyone else to date. If this relationship ends, I probably won’t actively try to find anyone else.
/r/PurplePillDebate11/06/26 04:33 PM
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Right, women dating men older than themselves is the norm, in contrast to the comment younger women overwhelmingly don’t want to.
/r/PurplePillDebate11/06/26 04:29 PM
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Women date and marry older men far more than they date and marry younger men. Women dating men older than themselves is very common. Extreme age gap relationships are also most often a younger woman and much older man. An older woman having a relationship with a notably younger man is very rare.
/r/PurplePillDebate11/06/26 04:06 PM
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59/50 is a ridiculous goal. A relationship can be 50/50 but bad for both people. A relationship can be value added for both people but not 50/50. My girlfriend needs me far more than I need her but she still adds value to my life so it’s a worthwhile relationship.
/r/PurplePillDebate11/06/26 03:52 PM
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I don’t wonder. The fact they highlight chores women do more while ignoring the contributions men provide more isn’t coincidental.
/r/PurplePillDebate11/06/26 03:20 PM
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Yeah, that’s another problem. Self reported survey data is notoriously inaccurate and often very subjective.
/r/PurplePillDebate11/06/26 02:52 PM
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The chores survey I read measured and compared indoor house chores but not outdoor maintenance. It’s purposely focusing on the home contributions women tend to do more while ignoring the contributions men tend to do more. Then of course there’s the difficulty and discomfort issues involved in each. Shoveling snow at 10 below for an hour isn’t the same as putting clothes in a washing machine for an hour.
/r/PurplePillDebate11/06/26 02:33 PM
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Many couples agree that the husband will focus on work and the wife will focus more on home chores, so it’s ridiculous to then complain about an agreed to trade off. We could similarly complain women don’t work as much as men. Women do more house chores, but men do far more home maintenance projects which is conveniently ignored in most articles and discussions. I can have the laundry machine or dryer running for 8 hours while I’m on here. It’s ridiculous to compare that to 8 hours of employment…
/r/PurplePillDebate11/06/26 02:13 PM
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Biden mandated very anti-male title IX policies denying accused college men the most basic due process rights. https://www.heritage.org/crime-and-justice/commentary/the-prisoners-dilemma-bidens-title-ix-policies https://americanmind.org/salvo/ending-due-process/
/r/PurplePillDebate10/06/26 10:37 PM
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Asking isn’t necessarily “bad”. If a woman welcomes the advance, it’s “good” if the advance is unwelcome then it’s considered harassment. Almost all harassment codes hinge on whether a question, statement or action is unwelcome. So, if a woman welcomes you asking her for sex or asking her out, it’s fine to ask. If she doesn’t welcome you asking her these things then it’s not okay. So all you have to do is know for sure what a woman will or will not welcome and act accordingly. Of course, if you …
/r/PurplePillDebate10/06/26 09:37 PM
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If the norm is for men to raise their socioeconomic standard via marriage, that’s hypogamy, but that rarely been the norm in any society. Hypergamy is the norm in most societies. Even in societies where a man receives a dowry at marriage, it’s typically the wife who benefits in the long term.
/r/PurplePillDebate10/06/26 09:21 PM
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Women could easily marry down if they wanted to or not marry at all. Women could choose to work as much and earn as much as men if they wanted to. Marrying up isn’t their only option, but it is their preference.
/r/PurplePillDebate10/06/26 09:16 PM
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Traditionally men voted mainly on issues like the economy, international policy, etc, women have voted more on social issues. This meant politicians of both sides, but especially the left could cater to women often at men’s expense and not lose too many men’s votes, but clearly that has been pushed too far by the left. Even many politicians on the left as well as left leaning news agencies such as CNN have acknowledged this as a problem. Most politicians who have acknowledged this offer no real …
/r/PurplePillDebate10/06/26 07:32 PM
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Nuclear family month celebrates and advocates the nuclear family. LGBTQ month celebrates LGBTQ. Black history celebrates black history. That’s the point of such celebratory days or months: to celebrate and/or promote a certain group.
/r/PurplePillDebate10/06/26 07:11 PM
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I find people often fail to acknowledge the benefit they seek for their sex inherently disadvantages the other sex. If a less qualified woman is given the job over a more qualified man under affirmative action, it’s not just that she got the job but also that he lost it. Same thing with the women owned business advantage program and other such policies. Policies that advantage one sex over the other inherently disadvantage the sex that’s not advantaged. There’s no getting around that. Similarly,…
/r/PurplePillDebate10/06/26 07:01 PM
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Again as I’ve clearly stated, hypergamy is a social practice (a biased one). not an individual discernment. Since all you do is keep misrepresenting what I’ve said, I’m done talking to you.
/r/PurplePillDebate10/06/26 06:45 PM
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Correct. Again I clearly said it’s different than legal discrimination. You are simply strawmanning me by insinuating I’m claiming something I clearly didn’t state. I imagine you are strawmanning because you can’t find fault with what I actually said.
/r/PurplePillDebate10/06/26 05:46 PM
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No. Seeking an attractive or young partner isn’t hypergamy. Hypergamy is the social practice of women raising their socioeconomic standard via marriage. If it’s the social norm for men to increase their socioeconomic standard by marrying up, that’s hypergamy, but again, that’s not about the physical attractiveness of a partner.
/r/PurplePillDebate10/06/26 05:42 PM
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Systematic barriers to earning money isn’t hypergamy. I’ve never heard anyone claim that. By that argument affirmative action for women and women owned businesses advantages would be hypergamy. Hypergamy is a societal norm of women marrying up to achieve a higher socioeconomic status.
/r/PurplePillDebate10/06/26 05:01 PM
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I think there’s a lot wrapped up in this. Let’s say I leave my car unlocked to run into a store and someone steals it later arguing they needed a car and by leaving it unlocked I taunted them to take it. Our choices influence the risk we face, something we should all consider but that doesn’t justify someone perpetuating a crime against someone. How a woman dresses and behaves may influence her risk of victimization, something she should think about, but it doesn’t mean she deserves to be victim…
/r/PurplePillDebate10/06/26 04:54 PM
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Yeah, an apparent paradox is rarely a paradox. Typically it’s a problem with an assumption. Figure out what the faulty assumption is and the paradox goes away. Either that or the two apparently conflicting ideas don’t really conflict.
/r/PurplePillDebate10/06/26 04:36 PM
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I think people get way too hung up on ideas of fair, unfair and the associated resentment. We face the options we do and have the choices we do based on our circumstances. We can accept the best of available options, make an effort to improve the options available or choose to not select any options and remain single. I’m currently enjoying a great relationship, but I’d rather be single than choose a poor option. Having the option I do is in large part due to changes I made to create better opti…
/r/PurplePillDebate10/06/26 04:16 PM
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As I said, hypergamy is a biased social practice which is very different from legally discriminating against people. That’s not to say it doesn’t have very real implications. Many of the dating frustrations both men and women feel are a result of hypergamy.
/r/PurplePillDebate10/06/26 03:55 PM
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Hypergamy is the act of women marrying up. It makes no sense to say men are hypergamous. When the norm is men marrying up, that’s hypogamy, but that’s rarely been the norm in any society. Hypergamy isn’t so much about individual experiences as it is an overall social practice. Overall, women marry up which represents an overall bias. Obviously, that’s not what every individual in society experiences.
/r/PurplePillDebate10/06/26 03:52 PM
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Exactly. There is no paradox. As the demographics change, women are finding it harder to marry up, some choosing to stay single as a result. That’s a result of hypergamy and changing demographics, not a paradox.
/r/PurplePillDebate10/06/26 03:46 PM
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The current demographic shift makes women’s hypergamous desires less achievable. That’s exactly the problem we see: Women complain there’s no good men anymore (less ability to marry up) while men feel women have unreasonable standards. There is nothing to reconcile. At the root of both men’s and women’s dating complaint is hypergamy. If society wasn’t hypergamous, women would be happy to date down and marry down in response to the changing demographics, but that’s not the case.
/r/PurplePillDebate10/06/26 03:42 PM
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I think it’s fair to say that hypergamy is a biased/discriminatory social practice that overall benefits women. There is of course a difference between biased practices and legally mandated discrimination.
/r/PurplePillDebate10/06/26 03:31 PM
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I remember a successful woman CEO when asked about feminism responding that adopting a victim complex is a barrier to success, often holding people back from achieving their potential. That said, acknowledging legitimate discrimination and advocating for equality isn’t necessarily a victim complex. One can raise awareness about discrimination while still striving to do their best in the circumstances they find themselves in.
/r/PurplePillDebate10/06/26 03:03 PM
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There are both men and women who prefer sugar dating to traditional dating. According to some surveys, over 1/3 of college women indicated they’d consider sugar dating. (Source) It’s not that men prefer relationships to be transactional, it’s more that men find most women want something of value from men, whether that’s in a traditional relationship or sex work. Men are overall seen as providers, in the case of sex work, what will be provided is immediate and well defined in the case of marriage…
/r/PurplePillDebate09/06/26 07:15 PM
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Not all sexual assaults are equally traumatic, same with workplace trauma. Getting groped at a party for most people is far less traumatic than getting gang raped. Some workplace incidents can be very traumatic. Imagine being in the twin towers in 9/11 being a doctor who loses patients you know or even facing false accusations that might end a career. Such things can be extremely traumatic. The relatively minor sexual assaults I’ve faced have been far less traumatic than the major incidents I’ve…
/r/PurplePillDebate09/06/26 06:54 PM
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You of course ignore all the ways we focus more on wimen’s health, many of which I mentioned.
/r/PurplePillDebate05/06/26 12:34 PM
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I largely agree. If someone wants to play all those games I’m probably out. Just wanted to clarify however that a neg is different from a random insult, it’s a response to a certain action.
/r/PurplePillDebate04/06/26 10:20 PM
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Every event has a cause. Attraction happens for a reason. By better understanding what causes rapport and attraction one can increase their attractiveness to other people. If you read red pill negging you will note it’s not just insulting women as you seem to think. Negging is throwing a woman’s shit test back at her rather than submitting to it. It’s a reaction to a negative action on the part of the woman. Perhaps if you actually read some of the better books on what creates attraction, you’d …
/r/PurplePillDebate04/06/26 04:49 PM
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I typically don’t support people that aren’t family, so probably not. Leaving someone alone isn’t punishing them.
/r/PurplePillDebate04/06/26 02:29 PM
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It has nothing to do with a majority. Let’s say 10% of women will publicly call a man creepy for asking her out. That creates high enough odds of eventually running into such a woman to give many men pause about asking women out. Fortunately that’s not the case where I live now, but I’ve lived in environments where men do have to be extremely cautious in that regard.
/r/PurplePillDebate03/06/26 09:17 PM
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What’s changed is what constitutes harassment. Simply asking a woman out wouldn’t have been considered harassment decades ago. Standing close to someone or giving them a present wouldn’t have been considered harassment years ago, but now the EEOC cites these as examples of workplace harassment. Men are more guarded as a result and understandably much less likely to ask women out. Harassment policy often hinges on whether or not something is welcome, the problem is that the act of asking can itse…
/r/PurplePillDebate03/06/26 09:03 PM
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Yeah, men can be judged and labeled as creepy very easily these days, simply for asking a woman out. As I said, it should come as no surprise young men are much more reluctant to ask women out.
/r/PurplePillDebate03/06/26 08:54 PM
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You see women all the time saying men should be financially responsible because the reality is most women still seek a man who will provide. My girlfriend definitely would like me to help provide for her. I’m happy to pay for most of our meals out and will probably provide for her much more over time. The thing is however, while she would like some financial help, she doesn’t expect it or demand it. I think there’s a big difference between desiring men to be providers and feeling entitled to it.…
/r/PurplePillDebate03/06/26 08:49 PM
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You are talking about your perception of what your friends think. I’m talking about documented nature of society. I’m not talking about a a perception of a circle of friends. Again, your perception of what your friends think has nothing to do with my points about the implications of hypergamy.
/r/PurplePillDebate03/06/26 08:37 PM
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Well said. The OP also acknowledges in another comment that women want to be provided for, and many polls show that many women are frustrated by their inability to find such a man. Women wanting a provider isn’t a function of men’s egos. To fix the issue, either women have to stop being hypergamous or we need to address why it is men are less able and less willing to support women.
/r/PurplePillDebate03/06/26 08:15 PM
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Again, your persinal thoughts are irrelevant to my point.
/r/PurplePillDebate03/06/26 08:04 PM
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But as you said, women are hypergamous. It’s not that men insist on being providers, it’s what women want of men as you have clearly acknowledged. In fact, more and more men are concluding that marriage and the provider role that goes with it, isn’t in their best interest and are staying single as a result. Men letting go of their egos and deciding not to be a provider is causing more frustration on the part of women. You are totally reversing the cause-effect. Men are reacting to hypergamy, whi…
/r/PurplePillDebate03/06/26 07:59 PM
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My point has nothing to do with your personal views. Society is hypergamous. Your personal views snd those of those you associate with are irrelevant to that fact.
/r/PurplePillDebate03/06/26 07:50 PM
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I agree with you and there in lies the issue. Women want to be provided for in large part due to very real biological reasons. It’s this reality, not men’s egos that’s at the heart of the issue. Changing men’s egos won’t change the realities of hypergamy. What nobody wants to address is what’s changed in society that makes hypergamous desires do much less achievable than in the past and it has nothing to do with changing ego.
/r/PurplePillDebate03/06/26 07:36 PM
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I agree. Both men and women risk being victims of violent crime, men risk being murdered at far greater rates than women, but that’s irrelevant to the points I made about the social changes that have impacted dating dynamics over the past few decades.
/r/PurplePillDebate03/06/26 07:28 PM
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Yeah, I’ve also noticed many here are reluctant to discuss the very real implications of hypergamy, even more reluctant to acknowledge some of the discrimination against boys and men that has made hypergamous desires less achievable now than in the past. It’s too bad really. It’s hard to make productive change without acknowledging and discussing the root causes, which is why I suspect we see so many new “theories” presented here.
/r/PurplePillDebate03/06/26 07:19 PM
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My point has nothing to do with people you personally associate with.
/r/PurplePillDebate03/06/26 07:16 PM
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Yes, women are capable of providing for themselves but what you miss is most women would still like to find a man capable and willing of providing for them at least in part especially when kids come along, but that’s harder to find. Most women who are single and self supporting because they can’t find a provider aren’t happy about it as you claim. Poll after polll shows women are more frustrated than ever about not being able to find “a good man” (good provider). Men’s egos haven’t changed, that…
/r/PurplePillDebate03/06/26 06:32 PM
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I agree men and women face different dating issues, but importantly, the extent of these different realities has changed. When I started dating, if a woman wasn’t interested, she typically politely declined, but usually appreciated someone was interested in her. Today’s young men face much more risk of getting publicly labeled as creepy or even accused of harassment. It should come as no surprise to anyone young men are asking women out less than ever before. There are fewer “good men” in the se…
/r/PurplePillDebate03/06/26 06:13 PM
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Certainly one may meet potential dates through friends but it doesn’t follow that having female friends will improve one’s dating. I’ve had many female friends over the years, but rarely have they improved my dating life. I’ve met far more women through social events or even online than through female friends. I’ve learned far more about social dynamics from books and videos than through female friends.
/r/PurplePillDebate03/06/26 04:53 PM
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While husbands being the primary provider isn’t quite as common as it used to be, it’s still the norm. I think those who are critical of a wife being partially supported by a husband are a minority. That said, I think you bring up an interesting point: just because men being the primary provider is the norm, doesn’t mean they are necessarily happy about it. For example, I’ve known several husbands who are frustrated their wives refuse to go back to work once the kids are no longer home. I’ve spe…
/r/PurplePillDebate03/06/26 02:40 PM
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Simple: Society has long been and remains hypergamous: Women want to marry up. What’s changed is now that more women are graduating from college, now that we advantage women in job hiring and in business ownership, women’s hypergamous desires are far less achievable than in the past. Women, look at the men who are interested in them and feel none are good or what they desire. Men look at the same thing and view women as having unrealistically high standards. An example I like to give is that dec…
/r/PurplePillDebate02/06/26 10:07 PM
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If all the food, I have access to is bad, I can either eat bad food or starve. If the only women a man can have sex with are “bad” (your words), then that man can either have sex with those women or abstain (which more men are in fact doing). Consider how women often complain there’s no good men simply because the men available to them don’t meet their high expectations, even though there’s nothing inherently bad about many such men.
/r/PurplePillDebate02/06/26 02:35 PM
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There are many articles that address why some women are attracted to abusive partners that are easy enough to find with a search. The reasons I’ve seen stated are very much like Stockholm syndrome. Attraction is often emotional, not rational.
/r/PurplePillDebate02/06/26 12:50 AM
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Men, like women don’t typically break up for no reason. Sometimes a woman who is fun to date isn’t what a man wants for marriage. Men often settle for less when marrying because society is hypergamous. Many men feel they either need to marry down or stay single.
/r/PurplePillDebate02/06/26 12:44 AM
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I find this quite humorous given that many men who try to learn more about social dynamics and apply it to improve their dating lives are often criticized for doing so. I think it’s generally accepted that online dating apps have declined. Young men today risk being labeled a creep or even accused of harassment simply for asking a woman out. Hypergamy hadn’t gone away. It’s ridiculous to blame these social realities on dating men.
/r/PurplePillDebate01/06/26 05:54 PM
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A thing I’ve noticed with my girlfriend is this female camaraderie you mention is often insincere. I often see women hug each other, and talk like they are life long friends only to bash each other the moment they part ways. I think projecting the image of having a large social network tends to be more important to women than to men.
/r/PurplePillDebate01/06/26 05:49 PM
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Men in poor health are both likely to die sooner and less likely to marry. That shouldn’t come as a surprise to anyone. It doesn’t follow marriage results in better health and longer life span. Women overall outlive men. Those who live the longest are much more likely to outlive their husbands and die single. There are many reasons women live longer including biology but also reflecting the fact we send men off to fight and die in wars, expect men to do the most dangerous work and focus far more…
/r/PurplePillDebate01/06/26 01:48 PM
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Well, that’s exactly why the men’s movement isn’t an opposing mirror image of feminism. Feminism has consistently lobbied for women to be advantaged over men. They have fought FOR discrimination. In contrast the men’s movement has opposed discrimination, seeking equal treatment.
/r/MensRights01/06/26 01:12 PM
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I’m not talking about system advances. I’m talking about discriminatory policies advantaging women.
/r/PurplePillDebate01/06/26 01:09 PM
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Policies that advantage women do in fact advantage women. Clearly you understand that.
/r/PurplePillDebate01/06/26 02:37 AM
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There were women who owned property and could vote the day America became a country. Laws making it illegal to discriminate against women in credit cards can’t about in the 70s but it doesn’t mean no women could bank prior to that. There actually entire banks just for women in the 1800s. Why the revisionist history on your part? Can’t find any actual facts to support your agenda?
/r/PurplePillDebate31/05/26 10:30 PM
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The women’s educational equity act was all about changing education to focus on girls, which is of course an advantage for females. It worked. No boys allowed college prep programs advantage girls. The women owned small business program advantages women in business. It even says so right in the name. Colleges preferring women 2:1 in STEMS is obviously advantaging women. Affirmative action for women advantages women in job hiring. That’s the purpose of it. So yes, women enjoy advantages in these …
/r/PurplePillDebate31/05/26 10:18 PM
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Yes. Hypergamy is essentially women wanting men who are more successful than they have the potential to be, something that is less achievable when we actively advantage females over males in education, job hiring and business. Of course this reality “counts”, it has very real impacts on dating and marriage.
/r/PurplePillDebate31/05/26 04:44 PM
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What many people here miss is that women having high standards and wanting to marry up (hypergamy) is nothing new. Society has long been hypergamous. What’s changed is with more women graduating college, by advantaging women in job hiring in business ownership and other such factors, women’s hypergamous desires are less achievable: they simply can’t marry up as they wish, the demographics simply don’t allow it. As a result, women feel there’s no good men anymore and men feel women have unreasona…
/r/PurplePillDebate31/05/26 03:01 PM
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No. More men going into government doesn’t make a political system a patriarchy. A patriarchy is a system of rule that excludes women from the political process and which tends to use its power to advantage men. Neither is true if our political system. Women can run for any office. There are more women voters than men. Feminism has more influence than the men’s movement. That’s simply not a patriarchy.
/r/PurplePillDebate31/05/26 01:15 AM
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Women had full voting rights and could run for any public office. Feminism had gained notable lobbying influence. That’s not a patriarchy.
/r/PurplePillDebate30/05/26 11:20 PM
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We didn’t have a patriarchy in the 60s.
/r/PurplePillDebate30/05/26 10:21 PM
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Certainly feminism becoming a strong lobby beginning in the late 60s and winning policies that discriminate against men is a factor in men’s rights / the manosphere. I don’t think that much to do with young women sexualizing themselves on social media however.
/r/PurplePillDebate30/05/26 09:19 PM
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I used to work in higher education. Advocating women be advantaged over men was very open there, it wasn’t just online.
/r/PurplePillDebate30/05/26 06:42 PM
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Women have been sexualizing themselves for centuries but the manosphere is fairly recent. Increased dating issues and the more recent trend to discriminate against men are more connected with the manosphere.
/r/PurplePillDebate30/05/26 06:39 PM
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No. Women marrying up doesn’t mean men marry up. (Hypogamy).
/r/PurplePillDebate30/05/26 06:37 PM
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Societies that are hypogamous (where it’s the norm for men to marry up are incredibly rare. Hypergamy has been the norm for most cultures throughout history. It’s very common for a male doctor to marry a female nurse and happily support her. Female doctors marrying make nurses and largely supporting them is very rare. So no, it died t work equally both ways. Again most societies are hypergamous.
/r/PurplePillDebate26/05/26 05:11 PM
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I think it’s far more accurate to say feminism has ruined cold approaching. It’s really only in woke or feminist cultures (such as many colleges) that men are likely to be accused of harassment simply for asking a woman out.
/r/PurplePillDebate26/05/26 05:06 PM
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Actually the reason to get a prenup is precisely because one recognizes the red flag or risk and wishes to reduce it.
/r/PurplePillDebate25/05/26 01:34 AM
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Portraying human issues as female specific issues is the first step in winning policies advantageous to women. Studies show women initiate more domestic violence than men, but the feminist Duluth model pushed the exact opposite idea. The result was police bias, court bias VAWA, etc. Far more men than women are being killed in the Ukraine war, yet we see the UN and other organizations pushing women most negatively impacted B.S.
/r/PurplePillDebate24/05/26 11:01 PM
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I keep hearing that porn gives men unreal expectations but most of the mainstream porn I’ve seen depicts acts many couples engage in. If we want to talk about media that portrays incredibly unrealistic expectations, we should look to romance novels, which are the number one genre sold.
/r/PurplePillDebate21/05/26 10:52 PM
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I don’t think it’s so much that standards and expectations have gone up but rather that society has changed in ways that make it harder for men to meet these standards. People often point out here that women have high standards, that they want to date up and marry up. What they often miss is that that’s long been true, it’s nothing new. What’s changed is we now have more women going to college, we advantage women in job hiring and business ownership. The result of these and other changes is wome…
/r/PurplePillDebate21/05/26 10:17 PM
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If someone buys into the women are wonderful effect, it stands to reason they will be prone to hoping women will be wonderful to them. I don’t think these are really completely separate biases. What any given person envisions as wonderful may vary. Believing women are wonderful doesn’t mean one doesn’t see them as human beings, it just means as you said they view women overly positively, often overlooking negatives.
/r/PurplePillDebate21/05/26 05:04 PM
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Sure, looks, money, etc matter. That doesn’t mean skills don’t matter. Of course skills influence outcomes. Your argument is like saying that because height matters in basketball, skills don’t matter.
/r/PurplePillDebate21/05/26 04:12 PM
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Being denied sex or concluding marriage isn’t worth while obviously don’t constitute the crime of rape so therefore can’t constitute a rape culture. We do of course live in a hypergamous culture which is a factor with both incels and MGTOW, but that’s quite different from a rape culture.
/r/PurplePillDebate20/05/26 03:23 PM
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Claiming that sleeping around is done only by bad people is a very morally subjective view. One can look at many animal societies where sleeping around is the goal, but a goal only those with genetic superiority are often able to achieve and there are advantages to this. (For me, the big disadvantage of having multiple sex partners is the STD risk, which is different from being a good or bad person).
/r/PurplePillDebate20/05/26 12:45 AM
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I worked in higher education for many years and have seen first hand some of the changes you speak of. I think it’s a bit simplistic however to blame this on modern women. Hypergamy for example is less sustainable now that we advantage females in education, in job hiring, in business ownership, etc., but today’s dating women didn’t create these changes, they were put into motion decades ago. The EEOC, cites simply standing near someone or giving them a gift as examples of workplace harassment. C…
/r/PurplePillDebate18/05/26 10:30 PM
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I think there’s some truth to what you say. I find many groups often focus on how they think things should be rather than the reality of what they are. Your examples however also hint at how TRP has changed in my view and that is, it’s gone from trying to understand and practice the realities of social dynamics to making value judgements. Understanding what creates rapport between people and putting it into practice is knowledge applied. Saying how women should or shouldn’t behave isn’t learning…
/r/PurplePillDebate18/05/26 09:41 PM
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I never said anything about asking strangers out. You are misrepresenting what I said. Then of course everyone is a stranger until you get to know them. Simply trying to get to know people these days carries more risk than it used to.
/r/PurplePillDebate18/05/26 09:28 PM
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I find this supposed male loneliness epidemic an interesting and often agenda driven topic. The biggest fallacy I see is the idea that being single equates to loneliness and that being in a romantic relationship means being socially fulfilled neither of which is necessarily true. I’ve been single in the past yet very socially fulfilled and not one bit lonely. I’ve also known people in unhappy marriages that were very lonely, the marriage and energy being put into it actually getting in the way o…
/r/PurplePillDebate18/05/26 09:25 PM
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You are essentially using the nadir logic fallacy (opposite of apex fallacy). You are judging all women by the actions of a minority, simply because they share a common demographic attribute. It’s basically guilt by association. The women who judge all men by the actions of the few are using the nadir fallacy. In judging all women by those few women you are doing the same.
/r/PurplePillDebate18/05/26 05:19 PM
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I clearly said it’s not gender specific but when it comes to dating, it impacts men more because they are expected to do the approaching. I imagine you misrepresented what I said because you couldn’t find fault with what I actually said.
/r/PurplePillDebate18/05/26 05:11 PM
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It’s not gender specific, but because men are expected to approach, they will be subject to this more than women. It’s a big reason why young men are much less likely to ask women out than in the past.
/r/PurplePillDebate18/05/26 04:58 PM
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It’s essentially a cognitive bias, often subconscious, shaped by someone’s perception. You for example might see a handsome, confident man walk up to a woman he doesn’t know and start a pleasant conversation that she enjoys. When you try the same she sees you aren’t as attractive and not as confident so immediately sees the exact same action as “creepy” Her reaction isn’t driven by the action so much as it is her perception of the person taking the action. Imagine you are walking through a park …
/r/PurplePillDebate18/05/26 04:56 PM
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Lots of data out there showing this has changed if you care to look. When I went to college, asking women out was a very common way to find out if they were interested. Even if a woman wasn’t interested she was often flattered someone took interest and just politely declined. Now that asking a woman is considered creepy or even harassing if it turns out the woman isn’t interested, young men are asking women out far, far less often as should be expected. “ what they found was that 45% of young me…
/r/PurplePillDebate18/05/26 04:42 PM
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What I find interesting in reading these answers is most women say they don’t care if more men are concluding relationships with women are too much work, yet many women also complain they can’t find a good man, these two things being very related. As more good men conclude relationships are too much work, it will become more difficult for women to find good men, which is a common dating complaint by women.
/r/PurplePillDebate18/05/26 04:31 PM
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I think you are right but I’ll add that asking a woman out used to be the consent process. Now as you said, asking a woman out is only acceptable if she’s interested. I think that’s largely the OP’s point. Asking a woman out can now be considered creepy or harassing if it turns out she’s not interested. Young men are reacting to this change. Studies show they are asking women out at much, much lower rates than in the past, something that is an often referred to complaint by many women. I think t…
/r/PurplePillDebate18/05/26 04:20 PM
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Dating data as well as hypergamy clearly show men are overall disadvantaged when it comes to dating, but that doesn’t mean women never face dating issues, clearly many do. I know many middle aged divorced women with kids for example who struggle quite a bit trying to date.
/r/PurplePillDebate18/05/26 02:43 PM
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Lower marriage rates are a reflection of some people realizing marriage doesn’t benefit them. More people avoiding a contract that doesn’t benefit them is obviously good for those people. It’s not so good for those who wish to be provided for via marriage (and divorce).
/r/PurplePillDebate18/05/26 02:56 AM
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Exactly. It’s not so much that fewer marriages is good or bad, but more that it’s a reflection of more people realizing marriage doesn’t benefit them.
/r/PurplePillDebate18/05/26 02:51 AM
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She wrote an entire book about her experience living as a man compared to living as a woman.
/r/PurplePillDebate16/05/26 07:19 PM
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Nora Vincent decided to live as a man in order to find out which sex had it tougher. She said: But my experience was one that made me feel very vulnerable and made me feel a lot of pain and difficulty. While all of us [women] in the post-feminist movement are convinced that women have always had it worse and men have always had it better, it took me stepping into their shoes to realize that that’s not true at all.” She found the experience very difficult and depressing, never getting over it, ev…
/r/PurplePillDebate16/05/26 06:51 PM
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Ignoring feminism won’t change the impacts of anti-male feminist policies such as affirmative action for women, women owned business advantages, the women’s educational equity act, etc. Ignoring feminism won’t change the impact feminism has in education and media. Just as feminist organizations lobbied to win biases for women, men’s groups must fight to reverse discriminatory policies and practices.
/r/PurplePillDebate16/05/26 02:51 PM
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Men and women don’t owe each other anything, but if one can’t offer anything of importance to the other, then there’s not much incentive to have a relationship. Obviously, what one seeks in a partner will vary from person to person. If you are not into kink or not into sex at all, then those seeking those things will be incompatible, just as a man who doesn’t want to be a sole provider won’t be compatible with a woman who wants to be a stay at home wife.
/r/PurplePillDebate13/05/26 02:20 PM
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I was happy to see your answer because the question and most answers are based on the idea a mother can get easily get primary custody whereas the best a father can hope for us 50/50 and similarly most people assume it will be the father paying expenses, not the mother. I’m not faulting the OP or responders for these assumptions, they are generally accurate but it speaks to the bias in custody and child support.
/r/PurplePillDebate13/05/26 04:19 AM
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I spent a fair bit of time reading various books and watching videos about what creates rapport and what builds sexual attraction and it definitely improved my dating as well as my social life in general. It took lot of time and practice however to see start seeing better results. I believe it worked because the improved results indicated it worked. It ‘s much like learning any other skill and becoming more proficient as a result.
/r/PurplePillDebate11/05/26 01:49 PM
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That’s what affirmative action is. Merit based hiring and affirmative action are two conflicting approaches to job hiring.
/r/PurplePillDebate09/05/26 12:57 PM
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Yes, but it requires hiring less capable women over more capable men. That’s what it’s all about.
/r/PurplePillDebate06/05/26 01:56 PM
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Finding out if a man is really as confident and manly as he appears is what shit tests are all about. Your point also reminds me of men who are white knighting.
/r/PurplePillDebate06/05/26 08:19 AM
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Of course hiring capable women over mediocre men isn’t discrimination. Hiring mediocre women over more capable men under affirmation is.
/r/PurplePillDebate06/05/26 03:43 AM
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Building rapport is important to both good friendships and romance. One easy way to help build rapport is to genuinely take an interest in other people and let them talk about what they know and enjoy. Keep asking questions to get them to share more. They will generally like you for it. It’s not hard, the problem is we have a tendency to want to make it about us, not them.
/r/PurplePillDebate05/05/26 03:32 AM
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Advantaging women in job hiring under affirmative action. Advantaging women in business ownership under WSBO advantages. Advantaging girls in education under WEEA. So tell me, what laws has the men’s rights movement pushed for and won that advantage men over women that you keep hearing about?
/r/PurplePillDebate05/05/26 02:25 AM
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Not made up. All easily verified by a quick google search. Most are common knowledge. Sorry the facts don’t suit your agenda.
/r/PurplePillDebate05/05/26 02:21 AM
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Affirmative action for women, women owned business advantages, women’s educational equity act, women only healthcare advantages, title IX mandates that deny college men due process. All these unequal policy win by feminist organizations. You can quote nice sounding definitions all you want, but it won’t change what feminism actually is.
/r/PurplePillDebate05/05/26 01:23 AM
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Leading feminist organizations have successfully lobbied for many laws advantaging women, do no, it’s not about equality.
/r/PurplePillDebate04/05/26 09:21 PM
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One can absolutely learn yo better build rapport and attraction. It takes time and effort and it does t mean every woman will fall for you, but yes, these are skills that can be learned.
/r/PurplePillDebate04/05/26 09:20 PM
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Another point people miss is that someone saying they don’t completely agree with gender equality doesn’t make them misogynist as the study assumes. Let’s take student who’s had it continually pushed down his throat that women deserve certain advantages to balance supposed patriarchal oppression, so he honestly reports men and women shouldn’t always be treated equally. Does his belief women deserve some advantages make him misogynist as the study assumes? Most feminists advocate advantages for w…
/r/PurplePillDebate04/05/26 02:33 PM
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Building rapport and attraction is a skill just like anything else. Just sitting back, not trying to meet people and just hoping women will find you and be attracted to you is not a strategy for success.
/r/PurplePillDebate04/05/26 02:23 PM
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What muddies the water on this survey is the way they subdivide agreement into completely agree, mostly agree, etc. This means someone can generally agree with equality goals but not completely agree because they believe there might be exceptions. Also, some not believing the sexes shouldn’t always be treated equally doesn’t mean they believe men should be favored, it might mean they believe favoring women is sometimes justified. I have seen many male feminists advocate women be advantaged, and …
/r/PurplePillDebate04/05/26 02:16 PM
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What I find interesting about your question is it brings up that many men are taught to see their “self worth” is really the worth they bring to a woman and eventually children, and to a degree to others. What we offer others isn’t really self worth. I’m not saying what we offer to others isn’t important, but it’s really not the same as self worth.
/r/PurplePillDebate04/05/26 02:52 AM
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I think there are some straight men who feel socially fulfilled with friendships with other men and are quite capable of providing for themselves and taking care of themselves. It’s a sex life that’s missing. Similarly, robotics and machines can take care of a great deal of domestic responsibilities. I personally love having a real woman in my life but as someone who’s fairly independent and quite capable of taking care of myself, I get where those guys are coming from.
/r/PurplePillDebate04/05/26 02:43 AM
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I’ve thought about that as well, but what occurred to me is that the move from a relatively small and quiet percent of men individually deciding to stay single to it becoming a movement and discussed strategy created more of a social threat. Society wants men to marry, have kids and provide for family. Men openly saying and discussing they feel that’s not in their self interest threatens that. I think a lot of women similarly don’t like this either. I see this especially with divorced women who …
/r/PurplePillDebate01/05/26 05:04 PM
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I get such a kick out of those gender agenda “studies”. My favorite is the $700,000 government grant used to argue glaciers are sexist against women. https://www.cfact.org/2016/03/08/feds-paid-709000-to-academic-who-studies-how-glaciers-are-sexist/
/r/PurplePillDebate30/04/26 02:58 PM
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Most shows and movies these days have a strong female lead that’s portrayed as good and strong while men are generally portrayed as immoral or incompetent. That’s just the nature of such media these days. As for books, I’m currently reading “Who Stole Feminism” by Christina Hoff Sommers. It’s a good read so far.
/r/PurplePillDebate29/04/26 07:21 PM
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Studies about human trafficking weren’t the reason society decided sex work is immoral or made illegal as you incorrectly claimed. By the way, I’m not saying society is wrong for discouraging sex work and promoting marriage. That certainly has social benefits. I’m simply saying that marriage is typically not the key to a life long satisfying sex life. That’s not what marriage is about.
/r/PurplePillDebate29/04/26 05:08 PM
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Prostitution was a crime long before any studies about human trafficking came about. Most men I know who’ve been married 20 years or more have an unsatisfying sexual life. It simply doesn’t stay as good for most men for a number of reasons.
/r/PurplePillDebate29/04/26 05:01 PM
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Marriage is a terrible way to achieve satisfying long term sex, and of course that’s not the purpose of marriage. The purpose of a marriage contract is to have men commit to providing for a woman, even when she divorces him. As you indicate seeing sex workers is probably a better way to continually satisfy one’s sexual desires over time, which is of course why societies often make doing so immoral or illegal. Society doesn’t want a man to stay single and be satisfied with sex workers, again soci…
/r/PurplePillDebate29/04/26 04:01 PM
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As a man I don’t have to accept any woman or the consequences of her previous choices. Granted, I may not know her past or the consequences. She may claim to be a virgin when in reality she has multiple STDs from many previous sex partners. What I like about your post is it brings to light what men accept and why. My view is that while society is hypergamous, it doesn’t mean men have to accept anyone we don’t want to. Men don’t have to choose to marry at all. We have choices. Choose wisely.
/r/PurplePillDebate29/04/26 05:47 AM
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As someone far past his 20s, I largely agree with you. Women I thought I was in love with and wanted to marry, I could only later see were infatuations that never would have worked. 20s is a great time to gain experience and have fun. Plenty of time to settle down later in life when you have a better perspective on what you want long term. That said, everyone is different and faces their own unique situations.
/r/PurplePillDebate28/04/26 09:56 PM
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It’s not statistically impossible. If everyone only cheated with one other person who was also cheating, it would be impossible. You can have 10 men all cheat with the same woman cresting a 10:1 ration. You can have 20 married men all cheat with women who aren’t married and are not cheating on anyone. The idea that if stats aren’t equal they must be wrong is flawed thinking.
/r/PurplePillDebate28/04/26 03:28 PM
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I think you are kidding yourself if you don’t think there is a dating market and that perceptions of a man influence how successful he will be in this market. Some of the early red pill dating coaches came from countries other than the U.S. such as Richard La Ruina and Kezia Noble from the UK. A quick google search shows Sweden had PUA clinics.
/r/PurplePillDebate28/04/26 02:04 PM
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To use someone is to manipulate them onto to doing something that is in your interest but not consistent with their goals or desires, often by misrepresentation. If there’s a woman who only wants to have a sexual relationship with someone that’s leading to marriage and you falsely tell her you want to marry her as a way to have a sexual relationship with her for a while, then you are using her. Your argument is like saying one isn’t using me if they fail to pay me as promise for a job I did for …
/r/PurplePillDebate28/04/26 01:51 PM
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As I said, studies vary, so while one might be able to gleam some generalizations from them such as how cheating may vary over time, I certainly wouldn’t consider any single study to be extremely accurate. An other issue is that men tend to be more honest on self reported surveys than women, so one has to be cautious at evaluating gender differences based on such survey information, especially relatively small gender differences.
/r/PurplePillDebate28/04/26 02:43 AM
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No. All men don’t cheat. Studies vary, but according to Institute of Family Studies, 20% of men and 13% of women cheat. Interestingly, the rate is about the same with younger couples with increased cheating by men over time. This doesn’t surprise me given how many men I know have said their wife either lost interest in sex over the years or tried to use it as leverage. https://ifstudies.org/blog/who-cheats-more-the-demographics-of-cheating-in-america
/r/PurplePillDebate28/04/26 12:02 AM
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The fact women may not be looking for their equivalent, doesn’t mean they don’t know their worth. Hypergamy means women get to marry up whereas men typically don’t. Fair or not, that’s how it is. Where I will agree with you a bit is that with more women graduating college, with women owned businesses being advantaged over male owned, with women being advantaged in job hiring, etc., it’s harder for women to marry up than ever before, even though they still want to. In that sense, I agree expectat…
/r/PurplePillDebate27/04/26 11:05 PM
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None. Raping and enslaving people has been illegal for quite some time.
/r/PurplePillDebate26/04/26 03:30 AM
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We could for example judge feminism by the SCUM Manifesto which advocates the end of men, has sold hundreds of thousands of copies, has been translated into several languages and is required reading in many women’s studies programs.
/r/PurplePillDebate25/04/26 11:19 PM
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Mainstream feminist organizations have lobbied for and won policies that advantage women and disadvantage men.
/r/PurplePillDebate25/04/26 11:15 PM
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There’s a difference between gender equality (treating people equally regardless of their gender) and gender parity (having an equal gender ratio). Fire departments that under pressure lowered standards for women gave up gender equality in attempt to gain gender parity. Gender parity is a terrible goal. The goal should be to achieve the best firefighting force possible, gender equality, not gender parity being a part of the process of achieving that. It’s the ability, not the sex of the firefigh…
/r/PurplePillDebate23/04/26 04:19 PM
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I see a lot of middle aged divorced women who did well in a divorce. They want to remarry and because they did well in their divorce now have very high standards. The problem they face is the few men who meet their standard and are looking, have a lot of women to choose from, and feel many of these women have nothing to offer them, these women, never finding the wealthy man they want often do end up being the lonely, bitter cat lady. When women are young, the demographics work in their favor, bu…
/r/PurplePillDebate23/04/26 03:21 PM
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Yeah, marriage doesn’t tend to bring security for men the way it does for women. I’d rather just walk away from a relationship that’s fizzled out than deal with a messy divorce and possibly lose my shirt in the process.
/r/PurplePillDebate22/04/26 12:08 PM
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One of my most fulfilling relationships was an age gap relationship. I don’t date people expecting them to become a nurse for me. When I need that, I’ll move into an assisted living facility.
/r/PurplePillDebate22/04/26 12:03 PM
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Yes, I’m talking about conversation. Building rapport and attraction often occurs through conversation, though non verbal communication can play a part as well.
/r/PurplePillDebate20/04/26 07:37 PM
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Building rapport for example: Latch on to something someone does or has done that they value, take a real interest in it and get them talking about it. Keep asking them questions. Eventually get to why that thing is meaningful to them. Yes, it generally works.
/r/PurplePillDebate20/04/26 01:33 PM
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Yes, I learned strategies that helped with dating (as well as building rapport with people in general) Every event has a cause. By learning about what causes rapport and attraction, one can become better at these things.
/r/PurplePillDebate20/04/26 01:10 PM
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I realized long ago that being in a relationship isn’t the key to my happiness. When I’m not in a relationship, I enjoy my independence and do things that are harder to do when in a relationship. When I’m in a relationship, I enjoy what that has to offer. I’d much rather be single than in a bad relationship.
/r/PurplePillDebate19/04/26 01:18 AM
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Sex is needed for the continuation of the species. Without it none of us would be here and if it suddenly stopped the human race would become extinct in just 100 years.
/r/PurplePillDebate19/04/26 12:31 AM
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I never claimed that never occurs.
/r/PurplePillDebate18/04/26 03:19 PM
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It’s not really that controversial. Most people realize not everyone wants to marry and have children. Obviously, discussions about dating and marriage will focus in those who do want to.
/r/PurplePillDebate18/04/26 03:19 PM
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It’s statistically possible if men rise to a higher caste by their own initiative, not marriage but women tend to do so through marriage. It’s the same with socioeconomic class. Men tend to raise themselves into a higher socioeconomic class by the education they get and the work they do, not by marrying into a higher socioeconomic class. To your point however this is one of the major causes of dating frustrations these days: as more women graduate college, get advanced degrees, as we advantage w…
/r/PurplePillDebate17/04/26 10:15 PM
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I don’t know anyone who claims hypergamy is a genetically driven phenomenon. Most scholars I’ve seen address the reason behind hypergamy essentially say that men have traditionally been the providers and protectors in most societies, so by marrying up a woman is better provided for and better protected. In some societies it meant women literally marrying into a higher caste, in others it simply means marrying to improve their socioeconomic prospects. It’s really not that complicated. Your argume…
/r/PurplePillDebate17/04/26 09:19 PM
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I’m in a relationship with a great woman. Why would I possibly want to give that up for another only to deny myself any sex for the rest of my life? The other thing I see is that entering a relationship with someone who seems ideal, never stays that way.
/r/PurplePillDebate17/04/26 06:06 PM
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I of course never said men are looking for dumb women. Your argument is however based on the false premise that most women are dating advice experts and will gladly and honestly share their expert advise to any man who asks. That is of course ridiculous. If a man wants to know more about dating and the laws of attraction he should seek advice from those who have studied and written on the subject, not ask random women who have no in depth knowledge of the subject. The problem isn’t that men aren…
/r/PurplePillDebate17/04/26 03:33 PM
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Yes. Consulting those with knowledge may have a cost but it’s better than worthless free advice from those who aren’t knowledgeable.
/r/PurplePillDebate17/04/26 03:28 PM
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If you want to know how to catch fish, consult to a successful fisherman, not a random fish. The fact someone is female doesn’t mean they know what causes attraction or know how to teach it to others. This has nothing to do with misogyny, it has to do with consulting based on knowledge rather than their sex.
/r/PurplePillDebate17/04/26 03:15 PM
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I agree with you there. I’ve never seen anyone claim that relative height is hypergamy, but that’s not what hypergamy is.
/r/PurplePillDebate14/04/26 05:35 PM
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Hypergamy is the act or practice of women marrying or forming a relationship with a person of higher social, economic, or professional status, often referred to as "marrying up".
/r/PurplePillDebate14/04/26 10:33 AM
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In a word: Hypergamy. I’ve had many great relationships (including one now) but have never married. I’ve also had long periods where I’ve been on my own, relationship free. The baseline reason is hypergamy. Women want to marry up, but why should I marry down as a result? I really enjoy being in a relationship, but overall women I date need me much more than I need them. In the end I just don’t see why I should commit to a relationship where I provide and get little in return. I’ve dated many won…
/r/PurplePillDebate14/04/26 04:11 AM
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The focus on “lonely men” has largely hidden the fact more men are choosing to stay single which of course means less available men for women. I know a lot of divorced women that just can’t find a guy. The problem is they got a fair bit if money in a divorce so will only consider fairly wealthy men, but if course fairly wealthy men have many options and don’t see them as a great catch. It’s the same old hypergamy isn’t so easily attainable these days.
/r/PurplePillDebate11/04/26 02:27 PM
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Women still want to marry up (hypergamy) but can’t. I think you correctly identified the problem but not the cause. The problem isn’t caused by equal pay. The problem is for decades we’ve focused on girls in education with far more women going to college. We advantage women in business hiring and in business ownership. Women dating up and marrying up simply isn’t viable as a result. To give an example, 50 years ago when most doctors were men, they happily married and supported a nurse wife. More…
/r/PurplePillDebate11/04/26 02:57 AM
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Women can already have children and careers if they want, just as men can, but many mothers prefer to spend time at home raising children if they have a husband willing and able to support them.
/r/PurplePillDebate10/04/26 10:54 PM
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A man who enters a profession like logging isn’t doing so to meet and attract women.
/r/PurplePillDebate10/04/26 10:51 PM
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And one of the reasons men are more willing to accept risk is because they feel the burden to provide for family, even if that means accepting risk in the job to do so. Many high risk professions such as logging also require the physical strength most women lack.
/r/PurplePillDebate10/04/26 09:51 PM
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While the importance of women giving birth and associated risks might very well be an important evolutionary cause of gynocentrism and “male disposability”, these are now very entrenched in society. Over the past hundred years, childbirth has become much, much safer yet society has remained as gynocentric as ever, in part due to feminist lobbying efforts, so I don’t think artificial wombs would change that. We are seeing more men question why it should be their role to marry and provide for wome…
/r/PurplePillDebate10/04/26 09:45 PM
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Many mothers now prefer to stay home, focus on raising children, be provided for by their husband and mother have to work. How do you believe birth by an artificial womb will make women have less mothering desires, want to work more and be supported less? They will still be mothers.
/r/PurplePillDebate10/04/26 09:35 PM
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I don’t think the red pill came about from feminism so much as a realization many women and a minority of men naturally knew how to attract the opposite sex. The early red pill was largely about trying to understand what really creates attraction and trying to learn those skills. Where I will agree with you is that many women knew red pill dating strategies long before red pill men started trying to learn them. In fact, many of the early red pill men turned to women to learn: Kezzie Noble became…
/r/PurplePillDebate10/04/26 05:45 PM
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Men being worried of being falsely accused and women being worried about being assaulted aren’t mutually exclusive. Men are victims of violent crime more so than women and much more likely to be murdered so by your logic, women have no right to worry about the risk they face.
/r/PurplePillDebate10/04/26 05:11 AM
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Lots of women pull shit tests, some without realizing it, though I’m sure many don’t know that term for it. (Kind of out dated I think). I agree it resembles school age, immature dating drama. I prefer women who don’t feel the need to pull such tests at least not strongly so.
/r/PurplePillDebate10/04/26 02:23 AM
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Begging is a reaction to a shit test. It’s essentially throwing a woman’s negative testing attitude back at her instead of giving into it. While there may be something to be learned by playing this game, my overall feeling is to find women who don’t play such games instead.
/r/PurplePillDebate10/04/26 02:18 AM
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It’s when a woman tests a man’s apparent confidence to see if he’s really confident or just full of shit. For example a woman asks a man to hold her drink when she could just simply set it down on the table. It’s a test to see if he puts her up in a pedestal (above him) or not. She may similarly say something negative about him. Such as his clothing is outdated, his hair is messy, he has food between his teeth, etc. The test is how he reacts to her shit. Does he sublimate or throw it back at her…
/r/PurplePillDebate10/04/26 02:06 AM
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They are related but not necessarily one and the same. Negging can be a way to react to shit tests for example. I think the context you miss is that an neg a is supposed to be reaction a man takes in response to negative action (shit test) a woman takes towards him to show he doesn’t just sublimate . They aren’t supposed to be a man simply being negative or challenging. While I think there’s some merit to knowing how to handle shit tests, my overall feeling is to simply walk away from them. They…
/r/PurplePillDebate10/04/26 01:52 AM
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I have better experiences now also, but it’s because I’m more experienced, more confident, etc. not because dating has become inherently easier, I don’t think it has.
/r/PurplePillDebate10/04/26 01:37 AM
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As a potential “old head”, I can confirm that dating apps (once just websites) used to be much better and have gone down hill significantly in the past decade. It’s also harder to meet people in public. People are often plugged into their phones and hard to approach. Young men asking women out risk being accused of sexual harassment or publicly shamed. I’m very glad I’m in a relationship and also independent enough that if it ended I don’t feel pressured to fight against all the obstacles that e…
/r/PurplePillDebate10/04/26 12:41 AM
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Your conclusion is a correlation fallacy. Of course younger generations are happier with marriage than older generations: fewer of them have experienced divorce and the other negatives that tend to come with time. I bet a lot of bitterly divorced baby boomers would have reported happy marriages when they were young. That said, it’s clear younger men especially are slower and more cautious to marry and therefore may be making better, more informed choices about marriage.
/r/PurplePillDebate10/04/26 12:14 AM
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Any area of incompatibility can be a deal breaker if it’s important enough. Sex drive is but one of many, many potential examples.
/r/PurplePillDebate08/04/26 07:00 PM
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Yeah, so the question then becomes how to overcome those deep seated instincts so one can choose better. It may be about choice but just saying choose better doesn’t address why people make the choices they do.
/r/PurplePillDebate08/04/26 06:44 PM
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Studies show that women who divorce abusive men tend to seek the same again. To be clear, I’m not excusing men (or women) who are abusive, but clearly there is a problem, especially with women choosing to pursue someone that’s not good for them. If someone is horrible, there’s probably no changing that, but what we can do is choose to avoid horrible people to the best of our ability. This really isn’t that different than trying to avoid any other risk. The risks we face are in large part due to …
/r/PurplePillDebate08/04/26 06:05 PM
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Many here act as if hypergamy is some new thing that’s ruining dating, but the fact is society has long, long been hypergamous. What’s changed isn’t that women have higher expectations, what’s changed is obtaining these higher expectations is less achievable. For decades we’ve been focusing on girls in education with far more women graduating college. We also advantage women in job hiring and in business ownership. The result is women simply can’t marry up the way they used to. Add to that, youn…
/r/PurplePillDebate08/04/26 04:36 PM
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Yes, married men live longer. Just because healthy men are more likely to live longer and to be married doesn’t mean the act of being married increases life span. You are making a correlation fallacy in assuming so.
/r/PurplePillDebate07/04/26 02:45 PM
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Or people who are healthy and likely to live longer are more likely to be married. Someone who dies of cancer at age 18 before ever marrying lived a lot less than average but they didn’t die early because they were unmarried, they were unmarried because they died early. Beware of the correlation fallacy on this one.
/r/PurplePillDebate07/04/26 12:52 AM
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I’ve been studying and discussing gender issues since before the red pill was ever a thing. I read and learned a lot about the psychology of what creates rapport and builds attraction and have benefited from it. I no longer have problems dating and am in a great relationship. I come here to share and continue to discuss issues related to gender dynamics. I don’t come here to get upvotes. In fact, I realize facts related to issues like hypergamy, gynocentrism and feminism will often get downvoted…
/r/PurplePillDebate07/04/26 12:30 AM
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As with many other responses this is the first time I’ve never heard this framed as “destroy the world” before, the OP being the first for me. I don’t think acknowledging the often acknowledged power women have is blaming women, rather it’s pointing out they have more power than many tend to think about.
/r/PurplePillDebate06/04/26 11:28 PM
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And it wasn’t just a few misogynist bankers. Today, it’s easy to get a credit card, but banks use to consider the risk much more. Women, often being stay at home moms were simply a higher risk than a full time working husband. It’s much the same as young men now being charged higher auto insurance rates, reflecting their risk. Women on average being a higher financial risk isn’t the same as universally discriminating against women, to claim so is a correlation fallacy.
/r/PurplePillDebate06/04/26 08:43 PM
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I’ve never heard anyone claim that. The closest I’ve heard is some men pointing out women have more power than often stated and men less. The fact more men go into politics than women doesn’t mean the average man has any more political influence than the average woman. Conversely, there are more eligible women voters than men, feminism has a strong lobby and politicians are often trying to win the female vote. Consider how many policies feminists have won advantaging women and girls in recent de…
/r/PurplePillDebate06/04/26 08:10 PM
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Due criticism of feminism isn’t misandry and is a result of feminist actions of promoting discrimination against men and anti-male propaganda. Sadly, there are some men who blame all women for the anti-male actions of feminism much as there are some women who blame all men for the actions of a minority of men.
/r/PurplePillDebate06/04/26 07:50 PM
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There were entire banks just for women in the 1880s. Stop it with your revisionist history.
/r/PurplePillDebate05/04/26 11:09 PM
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The Nazi part is by definition just a socialist worker’s party. Words are cheap, it’s actions that matter.
/r/PurplePillDebate05/04/26 05:22 PM
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Feminism isn’t an equal rights movement. There’s nothing equal about advantaging one sex over the other as feminism has done for decades.
/r/PurplePillDebate05/04/26 05:20 PM
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Each sex bringing different things into a relationship is what can make the relationship value added for both. I’ve been dating my current girlfriend for a couple years now. I agree with you that doing laundry, dishes etc., is no big deal with modern appliances, but I definitely have some physical abilities and skills that would cost her a great deal to hire out and in which she might be taken advantage of. I certainly don’t think anyone should feel forced to accept traditional gender roles that…
/r/PurplePillDebate02/04/26 06:47 PM
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Society has long been capitalist, there’s no change there correlating to modern dating difficulties. Here’s some correlations we do see: A. We now have more women going to college, we advantage women in job hiring and in business ownership. These changes make hypergamy less sustainable. Women simply can’t date up and marry up the way they used to. The result is men feel women have ridiculously high standards and women feel there’s no good men anymore. B. Studies show young men are far less likel…
/r/PurplePillDebate02/04/26 02:35 PM
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Shoveling snow in a blizzard, cleaning gutters in the heat, fixing leaky toilets, ain’t exactly fun either. And no, the mythical patriarchy doesn’t force women to change diapers. It’s simply a responsibility that comes with having children.
/r/PurplePillDebate01/04/26 10:13 PM
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So you think a husband should do what he’s agreed to provide but a woman should get out of what she’s agreed to provide at his expense … Sounds fair.
/r/PurplePillDebate01/04/26 10:08 PM
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I think it all depends on what agreement a couple has. Let’s suppose a husband agrees to take care of mowing, snow removal, weeding, trimming hedges, power wash the siding, etc and in return the wife agrees to do interior cleaning. If the wife wants to hire out domestic help to do what she agreed to do, then it seems unfair the husband should be paying for her to get out of her end of the bargain. That should fall on her and vice versa.
/r/PurplePillDebate01/04/26 08:26 PM
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I agree it’s about fairness and will add that what’s fair is whatever a couple decides is fair. The domestic labor value of a stay at home wife may be far less than a husband’s earnings, but if that’s the division of labor they agreed to, then it’s fair. A stay at home wife may do more domestic chores than her husband, but if that’s their agreement, it’s nobody else’s place to say that’s unfair. What outsiders think really doesn’t matter, it’s what a couple decides that matters.
/r/PurplePillDebate01/04/26 08:15 PM
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Not all house work is the same. Personally, I don’t find throwing my clothes into the washing machine to be very taxing. Making dinner for my girlfriend can be enjoyable. I find there’s nothing fun about shoveling snow in a blizzard or laying a patio in hot, humid conditions, so that’s where I’d rather hire help, even though that typically costs more per hour than domestic help. One’s budget of course matters. I happily pay to have house projects done that I simply couldn’t afford to when I was …
/r/PurplePillDebate01/04/26 07:59 PM
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Nobody, man or woman should be forced to have sex with anyone, including a spouse on demand. A wife can refuse sex, refuse to work, refuse to do house chores, but a husband should be free to divorce her as a result if he wishes with no huge financial penalty on him for doing so.
/r/PurplePillDebate01/04/26 05:40 PM
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Something you miss is that according to surveys young men are more hesitant to even ask women out than ever before. So while men may be more informed about the potential pitfalls of a long term commitment (and divorce), there’s clearly also something else that’s discouraging them from even asking women out at all. One thing is that simply asking a woman out can constitute sexual harassment, so it’s understandable young men are much more hesitant in this regard. Consider the EEOC now gives standi…
/r/PurplePillDebate27/03/26 02:31 PM
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In the U.S. in the 1970s, the feminist group the AAUW lobbied for and won the Women’s Education Equity Act (WEEA) which included the WEEA Center. For decades the WEEA Center received funding and authority to influence K-12 education to focus on girls (to the detriment of boys). At the time WEEA was passed boys and girls were doing equally well in school but it didn’t take long to see a divergence with boys slowly but continually being left more and more behind. Later the AAUW also helped schools…
/r/PurplePillDebate27/03/26 01:21 PM
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That discrimination against men is justified. In my mind, no discrimination is justified. We should be moving towards non discrimination, not justifying more of it. It seems as a society we never get beyond justifying discrimination, we just keep changing whom we feel discriminating against is justified and that’s sad.
/r/PurplePillDebate27/03/26 03:32 AM
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That’s exactly the problematic dynamic in modern dating. White collar women want to marry and date up, not date or marry their equals. Men like you are stuck between a rock and hard place. I’m in a great relationship now but struggled for a long time with not being successful enough for women who were less educated, had less income, and notably less debt than me. That’s hypergamy in action.
/r/PurplePillDebate27/03/26 03:24 AM
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Men may care about a woman’s education, but men have traditionally been much more willing to marry women with less education and less earning potential than the reverse. The problem is that with more women graduating from college and more women going to law school and med school, this traditional view is no longer practical which is a root cause of modern dating problems. Women want to marry up (hypergamy) but modern demographics don’t support this. It causes problems for both men and women.
/r/PurplePillDebate27/03/26 03:17 AM
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The number of male doctors who supported wives indicates the people you personally know aren’t representative. I suspect you understand this. Traditionally many male doctors mostly or fully supported their wives. I can’t believe you don’t really understand this.
/r/PurplePillDebate27/03/26 03:11 AM
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As I said, women’s hypergamous desires are less attainable than they were in the past. That’s the problem: Women’s desire to marry up is harder than it was decades ago. Women can’t find “good men” to provide for them the way they desire and men rightfully feel women have unrealistically high expectations. Women’s expectations haven’t changed. I’m not blaming women. What’s changed is the demographic realities of these expectations being fulfilled. The reality is most men these days simply can’t s…
/r/PurplePillDebate27/03/26 03:05 AM
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Sure, upper class women have an easier time marrying, but that has nothing to do with the fact society is hypergamous so overall women get to date up and marry up far more than men do. So, the norm is men dating, marrying and supporting women of lower socioeconomic standard, not the reverse. Most male doctors with an income of $500K will happily marry and support a nurse wife whose income potential is only 50K. The reverse isn’t true, most female doctors don’t want to marry less educated, lower …
/r/PurplePillDebate26/03/26 11:54 PM
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Thanks for supporting my point. Women being providers is still fairly rare. The norm is women marrying up, thus hypergamy. Related, a woman being the primary breadwinner for a while, often doesn’t reflect the long term. That female nurse might support her husband for a few years while he finishes grad school, but she gets a great pay back in the long term for doing so.
/r/PurplePillDebate26/03/26 11:31 PM
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Women marrying up (hypergamy) is a predictor of behavior. To go off a previous example: A male nurse earning $50K per year know he’s unlikely to attract a female doctor earning 10 times that. This is actually a root cause of dating issues today. For example: Decades ago, far more men than women were doctors who happily supported a female nurse with a much lower earnings potential. Now, more women go to med school but it doesn’t mean they dream of supporting a male nurse. They don’t. These women …
/r/PurplePillDebate26/03/26 10:38 PM
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Hypergamy is women overall being able to date up and marry up where men generally can’t. That’s it. Hypergamy doesn’t mean men, like women don’t want to get the best partner they can. Hypergamy doesn’t mean for example that someone who was raised middle class married someone who was raised upper glass. A nurse, with an associate degree and income potential of 50K is marrying up when marrying a doctor with a PhD and income potential of $500k even if both were raised in upper middle class families…
/r/PurplePillDebate26/03/26 09:55 PM
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Yeah. I often think back to “caveman” days, when it took a lot of physical strength to hunt, to make dwellings, to fight off attackers, etc. A woman’s ability to attract a man who excelled at providing these things might not just mean a better life, but survival. As you indicated, this isn’t even unique to humans.
/r/PurplePillDebate26/03/26 07:40 PM
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Hypergamy has existed a long, long time. Neither modern women or modern men invented hypergamy, so it’s not modern men’s fault. Recognizing the realities of hypergamy isn’t the same as hating women (though clearly SOME men do hold it against women). Hypergamy may not seem fair, but it’s a reality that’s not going away anytime soon, so men need to learn to deal with it. If a man feels his options don’t benefit him, he can choose to stay single, something more and more men have seeing isn’t a bad …
/r/PurplePillDebate26/03/26 07:24 PM
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Hypergamy has been the norm in most societies for recorded history. Hypergamy doesn’t mean women don’t care about looks. Also, as another response already indicated, what women overall desire in the short run isn’t necessarily the same as what they desire in marriage. (The same can be true of men). I should note that historically there has been a correlation between what we find attractive and good health, which of course relates to being able to provide.
/r/PurplePillDebate26/03/26 06:53 PM
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There’s something to be said for no strings attached. Personally, I think prostitution should be legal, but it wouldn’t be for me even if I wasn’t seeing anyone due to STD risk.
/r/PurplePillDebate24/03/26 02:24 AM
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If you want to know how to catch fish, consult a successful fisherman, not a random fish. Being female doesn’t make a person an expert in dating advice.
/r/PurplePillDebate23/03/26 04:54 PM
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Choosing to not see a doctor for something a doctor can’t treat such as cold or flu isn’t neglecting one’s health. People seeing doctor’s for such things simply drives up health care costs unnecessarily. This also has nothing to do with men facing a grater risk of being injured or killed. You are simply incorrectly blaming men based on something that has nothing to do with the risks they face. That’s victim blaming.
/r/PurplePillDebate22/03/26 02:36 PM
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Women are in fact much more likely to see a doctor for a cold or flu, neither of which a doctor can cure. It doesn’t follow that this explains why men are murdered more, are subject to violent crime more, due in the workplace more, due in battlefields more, etc. You are simply victim blaming.
/r/PurplePillDebate21/03/26 09:36 PM
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In many countries men outnumber women in violent crime victimization overall, not just fatal crimes. Men are injured far more at work than women. Men are of course far more likely to be sent to fight wars. It’s not just risk of death.
/r/PurplePillDebate21/03/26 09:31 PM
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Read up on hypergamy and you will have your answer.
/r/PurplePillDebate13/03/26 04:44 PM
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Such hypergamy has been the norm in most cultures for much of history. There are many articles and even books written about such hypergamy and it’s implications.
/r/PurplePillDebate10/03/26 09:35 AM
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Asking a successful fisherman about how to catch fish analogy isn’t about believing men and not women, it’s about consulting someone with proven ability and knowledge. That person could be a woman or a man.
/r/PurplePillDebate02/03/26 07:06 PM
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His argument is based on the false pre we have elections as a proxy for war. We have elections to select politicians to represent us in the political process.
/r/PurplePillDebate01/03/26 04:57 PM
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If you want to know how to catch fish, consult a successful fisherman, not a random fish. Simply being a woman doesn’t make one a dating expert or expert in other gender issues.
/r/PurplePillDebate01/03/26 04:11 PM
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Calling someone a misogynist is frequently what’s called an ad hominem attack. It’s essentially an insult designed to distract attention away from the topic at hand while trying to lower the perceived credibility of the person in question with insults. It’s often used when the person making the ad hominem has no rational reply to the question or point at hand, so needs to deflect, ad you said it’s an avoidance tactic.
/r/PurplePillDebate28/02/26 04:19 AM
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Thanks for your comment, but my point isn’t about understanding vs implementation, rather it’s about the difference between understanding how something works and making value judgements. Understanding what causes attraction (knowledge) is very different from saying what men should or shouldn’t be attracted to (moral opinion).
/r/PurplePillDebate27/02/26 08:41 PM
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I think the original red pill was about seeing and better understanding the truth of how things work. In terms of dating this included understanding what creates rapport and what creates sexual or romantic attraction. By understanding how such things work, one can work in changing their behavior to improve in such areas. I think the original red pill was about understanding and acting upon that knowledge and focused little on value decisions. Placing a value on virginity for example isn’t about …
/r/PurplePillDebate27/02/26 02:49 PM
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Women just out of college out earn men just out of college, showing companies are happy to pay women as much or more. The article you link is comparing people with the same job title which isn’t the same as adjusting for years worked equal hours worked, etc. Where I work, men with the title Director out earn women with the same title because the men on average have worked here 3 times as long.
/r/PurplePillDebate25/02/26 11:10 PM
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Many gender related studies and “findings” are biased and agenda driven from the get go, such as the claim 1 in 4 college women are raped. Others have an element of truth but get twisted such as the wage gap you mention. The BLS, the ones that measure and report the wage gap very clearly state it’s a comparison of median wages, not a comparison of equal work. Another that comes to mind is the correlation between men who have poor health and marriage. The fact men in poor health are less likely t…
/r/PurplePillDebate25/02/26 10:22 PM
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There are many studies showing women are frustrated by “the lack of good men”, in other words, they can’t marry up (hypergamy) as much as they desire. Yet men who look at what they stand to lose and decide to stay single are labeled as lonely whether they have a good social life or not and are encouraged to date down even more to prevent this often non existent loneliness. It’s a very biased, agenda-driven take on the issue.
/r/PurplePillDebate24/02/26 03:14 PM
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Good for you. Far too many women who had bad relationships seek the same type of person again, from what I’ve read it’s because that’s what they know, even though rationally they know that’s not the right approach.
/r/PurplePillDebate20/02/26 01:21 AM
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I’m currently enjoying the best relationship I’ve ever had. A big thing for me was to let women chase me rather than chase them. To use some dating terminology, chasing a woman comes across as being lower value. Letting women chase me of course means I need to be happy being single and independent (which I am) which ironically seems to be a trait women like. They can smell desperation a mile away. Related, I focused on objectively evaluating a woman I dated to feel confident she added to my life…
/r/PurplePillDebate20/02/26 12:56 AM
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Yes. One such clause is that students (as well as faculty and staff) can be let go if they commit a sexual assault. The problem is that because these people are denied due process, it’s not actually proven they committed such an assault. That’s why schools are being successfully sued for breach of contract. The schools are in a tough place. Following title IX mandates puts them at risk of being sued. The solution in my opinion is to leave sexual assault allegations to authorities, not school off…
/r/PurplePillDebate19/02/26 07:23 PM
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This isn’t right to work. Colleges are adjudicating alleged crimes in ways that deny the accused basic due process rights, denying such rights being mandated by executive orders by Obama, and later Biden. Colleges are then using these kangaroo court findings as justification to break a contract they have with students, when they have no actual evidence the student actually violated the terms of the contract. They are in breech of contract. (In my opinion, allegations of sexual assault should be …
/r/PurplePillDebate19/02/26 05:09 PM
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Just because a punishment is lower doesn’t mean those accused should be denied the most basic due process procedures. The consequences of shoplifting are far less than being kicked out of school with a permanent record. Does that mean those accused of shoplifting should be denied a right of discovery, denied guilt beyond a reasonable doubt, be denied the right to face their accuser? These and more are denied to accused students under Title IX. Due process is a fairly basic tenant of free societi…
/r/PurplePillDebate19/02/26 04:56 PM
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He’s defining the actions he believes are dangerous. The Nazi Party is defined as the socialist worker’s party. So what? Actions mean more than words as they say. Feminism is what feminism does.
/r/PurplePillDebate19/02/26 04:38 PM
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I think the OP is addressing the actions of feminism, not a definition.
/r/PurplePillDebate19/02/26 03:59 PM
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I of course never said that the socialization my girlfriend enjoys is every woman’s passion. I used it as an example of how we need to be careful in labeling things as burdensome labor. I of course also gave an example of a task I enjoy that’s not burdensome labor. I assume you have misrepresented what I said because you can’t address the actual point.
/r/PurplePillDebate19/02/26 03:51 PM
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I don’t know about “dangerous”, but feminism has proven time and time again that it’s not about gender equality as it claims to be. Feminist organizations have won many laws advantaging women over men. They have also released a great deal of anti-male propaganda and revisionist history. While feminism seeks to advantage women, instilling a victim mentality can hold women back. As one female CEO said, adopting a victim mentality is not the path to success.
/r/PurplePillDebate19/02/26 03:47 PM
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The problem with both emotional labor and unpaid labor arguments is in labeling them labor. My girlfriend loves to spend an unnecessary amount of time online with her friends planning social events. For me that would be a burden but for her it’s a form of socializing with friends. My girlfriend hates grilling, but for me to spend 45 minutes grilling dinner is no great burden. It’s misleading to refer to such things as burdensome labor. The bottom line is: If you think a relationship is more effo…
/r/PurplePillDebate18/02/26 04:06 PM
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The fact women initiate domestic violence more than men and the fact women report domestic violence more are both evidence based and again, not contradictory.
/r/PurplePillDebate18/02/26 03:25 PM
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Women are more likely to initiate domestic violence, probably believing men are unlikely to hit back. Most often they are right, men don’t hit back, but when they are wrong, men being stronger are more likely to come out better. To use your dog analogy, it’s like small dogs initiating fights with big dogs and coming out the worse for it. The consequence isn’t just because the small dog is weaker, it’s because it initiated a fight with a stronger dog.
/r/PurplePillDebate18/02/26 03:21 PM
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Yes. This is one of those areas where people’s perceptions are the opposite of what objective studies show, people being influenced more by disinformation such as the Duluth Model.
/r/PurplePillDebate18/02/26 03:12 PM
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Yes. It appears that women both initiate domestic violence more than men and report it more than men. Biased Duluth model training, and the biased victim advocacy probably being among the reasons.
/r/PurplePillDebate18/02/26 03:10 PM
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Someone reporting domestic violence and who initiated domestic violence are not the same thing. Studies show women are more likely to initiate domestic violence and police reporting shows they are more likely to report it. Both are true. The OPs point is about risk, which is more a function of who initiates a fight than about who reports it. Given women initiate more domestic violence, they could obviously reduce the risk simply by not initiating as they do.
/r/PurplePillDebate18/02/26 03:00 PM
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Many studies show that women initiate domestic violence at greater rates than men. https://www.researchgate.net/publication/386189016_Bidirectional_and_Unidirectional_Intimate_Partner_Violence_A_Comprehensive_Review The agenda driven feminist Duluth model which claims men perpetrate most domestic violence isn’t based on any actual evidence.
/r/PurplePillDebate18/02/26 08:53 AM
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Some experts say a relationship is a friendship (rapport) plus intimacy, but intimacy isn’t just the act of sex. It’s a set of emotions which can include physical interactions including sex, but not limited to sex. I don’t kiss just friends, and I can have a one night stand with someone I’m not in a relationship with.
/r/PurplePillDebate10/02/26 03:59 PM
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It comes as no surprise to me that we are seeing more of a political shift. Take for example the Title IX sexual assault mandates you mentioned. Obama mandated accused college men be denied basic due process procedures. Trump somewhat rolled that back. Biden reinstated the biases against men even stronger than under Obama. There are of course many other policies that discriminate against men pushed by the left. It makes sense many women would side with the political party that advocates advantag…
/r/PurplePillDebate07/02/26 06:24 PM
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I get your point but would phrase it a bit differently. Sex is great, but the pursuit of that sex can allow men to be manipulated, controlled and to make bad decisions much as an addiction can. Looking at sex like a nice steak or good glass of wine that you enjoy when the opportunity arises instead of something you actively pursue like an addiction is very freeing and takes away the ability for it to be used as a manipulative tool.
/r/PurplePillDebate06/02/26 04:31 PM
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If you read any of the sugar dating forums they call this being rinsed. The woman asks to get paid to go on a date, the implication being that will result in an ongoing sexual relationship but of course these women have no intent of starting anything sexual, they just drop the guy and look for their next victim. A woman who really wants an ongoing sugar relationship will invest the time to go on an unpaid date (I think they call it a meet and greet) as a means to establish an ongoing paid sexual…
/r/PurplePillDebate04/02/26 05:03 PM
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There’s already a similar “dating app” called What’s Your Price, where women go out with a man who offers her the most. A woman wanting to be paid to accompany a man isn’t courting. It used to be called escorting before that term became synonymous with prostitution. The idea of men paying for women isn’t new and it isn’t courting. The woman running that app is essentially an online madam. If a man wants to pay for an ongoing relationship with a woman, sugar dating is a better way to go about it.…
/r/PurplePillDebate04/02/26 04:52 PM
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Few men are afraid of a reciprocal/equal relationship as you said. The issue is that hypergamy (women dating and marrying up) means it’s rarely equal. Women can’t marry up the way they want and claim there’s no good men anymore. Men look at the same thing and say women have unrealistically high standards.
/r/PurplePillDebate04/02/26 04:44 PM
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Men aren’t advantaged in job hiring, business ownership and education. Women are.
/r/PurplePillDebate03/02/26 06:37 PM
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Advantaging women in job hiring. In business ownership, in education, etc are not rights, they are privileges.
/r/PurplePillDebate03/02/26 04:09 AM
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A mostly male government has exempted women from the dangers of combat throughout American history. A mostly male government granted women equal voting rights. A mostly male government passed the civil rights act and equal pay act making many forms of discrimination against women illegal. A mostly male government passed laws advantaging women in education, in job hiring, in business ownership and more. The very premise of your argument in flawed.
/r/PurplePillDebate03/02/26 12:54 AM
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Of course not.
/r/PurplePillDebate30/01/26 03:34 PM
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I think this is a great question with very enlightening responses. Clearly there are woman who hate being approached ever, women who like being approached and everything in between. It makes it hard for men to know whether to approach women or not. Whatever women think, I appreciate the honest replies.
/r/PurplePillDebate30/01/26 01:58 AM
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So you prefer men just avoid you and never talk to you? (Serious question).
/r/PurplePillDebate30/01/26 01:54 AM
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The UK case wasn’t against Heard, it was against the publication that reported her defamation. Since they accurately published what Heard told them, it wasn’t the magazine that committed defamation, it was Heard. She was found guilty.
/r/PurplePillDebate28/01/26 11:44 PM
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Oh, the irony. The whole reason for the lawsuit is because her defamation caused movie offers to be withdrawn for Depp. Defamation lawsuits are very hard to win and in contrast to Depp, most of those who are defamed can’t afford the legal expenses to clear their name. Uncovering defamation doesn’t silence truth, it only makes those considering defamation think twice. The more we can reduce defamation and false reporting the more seriously true accounts will be taken.
/r/PurplePillDebate28/01/26 11:07 PM
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I’ve long noticed a similar thing driving on narrow gravel roads: Men will look for a wide spot to pull over and let others pass, the passing man often giving a nod or wave of thanks to the guy that pulled over. I find women almost never pull over but rather feel they have the right of way, similarly rarely giving a hand or nod of thanks for men who pull over to let them pass. I’m not blaming women. I think most of them are so used to men yielding to them, they aren’t even giving it a conscious …
/r/PurplePillDebate27/01/26 10:14 PM
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I noticed that in regards to the many articles about “male loneliness”: assuming unmarried men can’t find someone and must be lonely as a result. Certainly that’s true for some men, but many men look at what they stand to loose and decide staying unmarried is simply a better option. Being single doesn’t mean being lonely. Some of the loneliest men I know are stuck in unhappy relationships, which hinders spending time with their friends.
/r/PurplePillDebate27/01/26 08:53 PM
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Yeah. It can be a minefield especially in woke college and work environments where an unwelcome advance can qualify as harassment. Echoing another user, in recent years, I’ve just been friendly and I let women make the first move.
/r/PurplePillDebate27/01/26 03:40 PM
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Yeah, we don’t live in a patriarchy. A patriarchy is a system of rule that excludes women. We don’t exclude women. Women can run for any political office and have the same voting rights as men. There are more female voters than male voters. As a man, I have no more say than any woman. That’s not a patriarchy.
/r/PurplePillDebate24/01/26 04:59 PM
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One dismantles a patriarchy by allowing women to participate in the political process by providing them equal voting rights and permitting them to run for political offices.
/r/PurplePillDebate24/01/26 03:21 PM
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There were banks dedicated completely to women banking in the 1880s, so no, there’s no women alive today who can remember when women couldn’t bank. You and your revisionist history.
/r/PurplePillDebate23/01/26 09:20 PM
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Yes men who owned land were men and women who owned land were women. Most men and most women couldn’t vote in early America. So, what’s your point about that?
/r/PurplePillDebate23/01/26 08:09 PM
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There’s not a woman alive today who didn’t have the same voting rights as men, the 19th amendment passed 100 years ago and of course women were voting before that. As I’ve repeatedly said, it’s not just about voting. Women are not excluded from any political position. We have women in Congress in the senate on the Supreme Court, as governors, as mayors, etc. politicians pander to feminist issues. That’s simply not a patriarchy.
/r/PurplePillDebate23/01/26 07:08 PM
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Yeah, it’s actually quite interesting to see the arguments that either have nothing to do with patriarchy or are revisionist history. Not to mention what occurred 200 years ago doesn’t define whether we have a patriarchy today. Women are not excluded from the political process. They have more voting power, can seek any political office and have more pull than men, many politicians pandering to the women’s vote. That’s not a patriarchy and doesn’t come close to resembling one.
/r/PurplePillDebate23/01/26 07:01 PM
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No. As I said previously voting is how the vast majority of citizens participate in the political process. Some of course seek political positions and some engage in lobbying efforts. None of these exclude women.
/r/PurplePillDebate23/01/26 04:29 PM
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In early America, the vast majority of women and men couldn’t vote. Both had to win the right to vote over the years. Your claim that women were not allowed to work is simply false. Women have always worked throughout U.S. history, sometimes in grueling sweat shop conditions such as sewing factories.
/r/PurplePillDebate23/01/26 04:21 PM
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More men choosing to go into politics does not a patriarchy make. A patriarchy is a system of rule that excludes women. Women are in no way excluded. They can vote and run for any office they want. That’s simply not a patriarchy. You can try to misrepresent the issue all you want, but the fact remains women are not excluded.
/r/PurplePillDebate23/01/26 04:12 PM
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While there are examples of women voting as far back as colonial America, and while many states passed equal voting rights legislation prior to 1920, the 19th amendment has guaranteed equal voting rights for men and women nationally since its passage in 1920, so it’s crystal clear women have not been excluded anymore than men since then and therefore no patriarchy. Given many women voted prior to 1920, and were therefore not excluded one could argue we didn’t live in a patriarchy then either.
/r/PurplePillDebate23/01/26 04:08 PM
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The 19th amendment ensures that no state or other entity can discriminate on the basis of sex in issuing voting rights. The amendment does not guarantee either men or women a right to vote, simply that The right of citizens of the United States to vote shall not be denied or abridged by the United States or by any state on account of sex. It’s not sex specific. It protects both sexes from discrimination in voting.
/r/PurplePillDebate23/01/26 03:30 PM
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I agree. Most people think both men and women should be able to vote. Also important to understand is that when the U.S. was formed, only 6% of the population could vote, some of those were in fact women. Most men and most women couldn’t vote. It wasn’t the case that all men could vote and all women could not. The idea no women could vote prior to the passage of the 19th amendment is simply propaganda. In fact, many states passed equal voting legislation before it became national law. Regardless…
/r/PurplePillDebate23/01/26 03:24 PM
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Some of the strongest opposition to equal voting rights for women came from women who were afraid equal voting rights might mean losing privileges women enjoyed even back then. Following is a chapter addressing that issue if you care to learn more: https://www.societyforhistoryeducation.org/pdfs/M15_Miller.pdf
/r/PurplePillDebate23/01/26 03:16 PM
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Absolutely it’s a boogeyman. A patriarchy is a system of rule that excludes women and typically (though not necessarily) passes laws to benefit men. The main way citizens have a voice in governance is by voting. Women not only have an equal vote, but have more eligible voters. There is no political position that excludes women. Women are free to run for any position they wish. We have women in Congress in the senate, serving as mayors, governors and more. While women choose to go into politics l…
/r/PurplePillDebate23/01/26 03:13 PM
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Exactly. In many places it’s illegal and is considered amoral, which is a part of why it can be profitable. The fact it carries legal risk and that many will object on moral principles is very different from it not being viable.
/r/PurplePillDebate22/01/26 09:23 PM
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There’s been a huge growth in sugar dating, much of it simply amateur prostitution. It takes no great skill to place an add on a “sugar dating” site and attract Johns. They clearly are not spending the overhead money you claim is necessary and many have no past experience. I’ve seen the photos of women who got busted in happy ending massage parlor stings. They are average looking at best. Certainly many women rightfully don’t want to risk providing an illegal activity or have moral objections, b…
/r/PurplePillDebate22/01/26 09:19 PM
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It absolutely encouraged men to lower their standards even more as a means to date. What they are if course failing to address is many of these men are staying single by choice rather than dating way down
/r/PurplePillDebate22/01/26 08:37 PM
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I agree with you and I think it’s an agenda driven farce to claim men who choose to not marry must be lonely. My point is simply that there can be pressure on men to date and marry down, and that such advice is often not in men’s best interest.
/r/PurplePillDebate22/01/26 06:34 PM
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That famous Psychology article on “male loneliness” was definitely pushing the idea that men should lower their standards even more. Men marrying down and supporting women means the rest of society doesn’t have to, so there are definitely interests that encourage men to date and marry down. Hypergamy is the norm in most societies.
/r/PurplePillDebate22/01/26 06:20 PM
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Men stand to lose a great deal in a divorce. I can certainly understand why many women would dismiss this as inconsequential.
/r/PurplePillDebate22/01/26 05:39 PM
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Not only that, but we don’t use the same logic when it applies to discrimination against women. Women shoplift far more than men but we don’t ban women from shopping. Women commit more infanticide but we don’t ban them from being alone with infants. Women commit all paternity fraud yet even when uncovered, the law typically gives such defrauders a free pass. We cut men from athletics when slightly more choose to participate, yet aerobics, palates, yoga etc., can be extremely female dominated wit…
/r/PurplePillDebate22/01/26 04:16 PM
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Societies have long been gynocentric. More recently, feminist lobbying efforts have increased the ways women are treated better. I thought this was fairly common knowledge.
/r/PurplePillDebate22/01/26 03:58 PM
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Yep. A man who believes men shouldn’t be discriminated against or who wants to avoid getting screwed over in a relationship or divorce is considered radical. At the same those who argue men deserve to be discriminated against, typically aren’t considered radical. It’s typically not a problem of actual radicalization, typically it’s an ad hominem attack issue.
/r/PurplePillDebate22/01/26 12:09 AM
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Yeah, but bad boy attraction isn’t the same as what women seek for marriage. Hypergamy comes into play more with marriage. Many of those women who were attracted to Ted Bundy may still have sought to marry up in the end. Aldo, your examples still aren’t that large. The number of women attracted to men in prison is still a minority of the population, nowhere near large enough to sway the overall hypergamous desires.
/r/PurplePillDebate21/01/26 04:05 AM
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My girlfriend owns the only firearm between us.. just saying. Men are 5 times more likely to be murdered so they actually benefit from a firearm more than women. Women are more often physically assaulted by someone they know in a consensual encounter where a firearm is less likely to be of use.
/r/PurplePillDebate21/01/26 03:33 AM
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If gender norms were abolished and women wanted to work as much as men and never be provided for, the gender pay gap would end and society might cease bring hypergamous: women wouldn’t care so much about dating up. The common women’s complaint that men aren’t good enough and men’s complaint that women are too picky would be reduced. On the negative side, having different roles is one of the things that makes relationships a positive, it allows one partner to shine in areas the other isn’t intere…
/r/PurplePillDebate20/01/26 06:56 PM
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That’s what immediately jumped out at me with this post and others and I’m not even a regular. It’s sad to see how many people just buy into such strawman arguments and arguments based on a false premise.
/r/PurplePillDebate16/01/26 07:17 PM
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Everyone should give some thought to their risk of victimization, but statistically men are victims of violent crime more, and far more likely to be murdered than women are. While everyone should give thought to their safety, unjustified fear, often driven by agenda driven propaganda can unnecessary limit people. Did you know many studies show that women initiate more domestic violence than men do? (Source). The agenda driven feminist Duluth Model which asserts men initiate most domestic violenc…
/r/PurplePillDebate16/01/26 03:26 PM
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My dad dedicated his life to supporting my mom and our family. He supported her desire to be a stay at home mom and wife, even after us kids were out of the house. Now that my dad is gone, my mom lives very comfortably off his earnings (as she should). My father also supported our country without question in a time of war. Speak for yourself, but my father wasn’t toxic. If there’s anything to learned by looking at men before us, it’s why men should be expected to dedicate their lives, their earn…
/r/PurplePillDebate15/01/26 11:08 PM
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You make good points here and in your follow up points. Thumbs up from me. For context however, what about the many women who excel at social dynamics and use their skill to pick up or date men that appeal to them? Isn’t that equally as amoral? If we are going to judge the morality of using sociology and psychology to attract the opposite sex, shouldn’t that judgement apply equally to both men and women who do so?
/r/PurplePillDebate15/01/26 08:55 PM
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Relationships start with dating. If the vast majority of men had shitting communication skills that turned their dates off, they wouldn’t end up in relationships as they do.
/r/PurplePillDebate14/01/26 11:22 PM
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I never said any and all subjectivity is bad for dating. I said the incredible subjectivity that surrounds what constitutes harassment (and creepiness) has understandably made young men more reluctant to ask women out.
/r/PurplePillDebate14/01/26 06:50 PM
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I’m not dismissing creepy men. I’m pointing out it’s a very subjective, almost meaningless label these days. Anything can be considered creepy.
/r/PurplePillDebate14/01/26 06:13 PM
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Of course I’m not strawmanning you. To strawman you I’d have to misrepresent what you said. I made no statement, correctly or incorrectly claiming you said something, so obviously I didn’t strawman you. You in contrast claimed I stated something that in fact I did not state and what you claimed I said was a misrepresentation, therefore a strawman.
/r/PurplePillDebate14/01/26 05:37 PM
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I think few women would enter a relationship with a man who couldn’t converse and wouldn’t ask questions, yet most men end up in relationships. Clearly the claim is inconsistent with actual relationship stats.
/r/PurplePillDebate14/01/26 05:26 PM
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Of course I didn’t say that. I assume you are strawmanning me because you can’t address what I actually said.
/r/PurplePillDebate14/01/26 05:21 PM
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I of course never said dating should be objective. I said creepy and harassment are very subjective. You need to work on your strawman arguments.
/r/PurplePillDebate14/01/26 05:14 PM
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“Creepy” is subjective. A man can be accused of being creepy for talking too much or for being too quiet. Two men can behave the same and one be considered creepy and one not depending on whether or not the woman in question finds each attractive. It’s a similar issue in defining harassment by what is or is not welcome. Such subjectivity means men can’t win. No matter what they do, they can be labeled as creepy or harassers, which is a big part of why young men these days are so much more reluct…
/r/PurplePillDebate14/01/26 04:47 PM
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Clearly, few people are going to publicly admit they are or would commit paternity fraud, though many studies show it to be a very commonly committed fraud. A New York Times article for example estimates that 30% of child support being paid is being paid by men who in reality are not the father. It’s unfortunately a very common way to commit fraud. One reason being that courts are very reluctant to punish mothers who commit this fraud. In some instances the defrauded men are required to keep mak…
/r/PurplePillDebate13/01/26 09:33 PM
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It depends on the type dating you are talking about. Sugar dating is driven primarily by what a man has and is willing to spend on a sugar baby. Social skills and attractiveness taking a backseat to disposable income. Take a 55 year old man earning 150K who’s managed his money well has no alimony, owns his house outright, etc., and is willing to drop 2.5K/month on sugaring. He’s got just about the same opportunities as someone earning 500K, but only able to surge that same 2.5 K sugaring. The re…
/r/PurplePillDebate13/01/26 05:52 PM
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There is a saying: If you want to know how to catch fish, learn from a successful fisherman, not by asking random fish”. Just because someone is female doesn’t make them an expert in how men attract women. Men who weren’t initially good at attracting women, but have become good, probably know what made them good at it.
/r/PurplePillDebate12/01/26 09:08 PM
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I’m old enough to remember when red pill started. Echoing what another user has mentioned, it was the red pillers that pointed out that simply being a nice guy isn’t what gets dates or sex, they’re the ones who pointed out the importance of social skills of being able build rapport and then sexual/romantic escalation. I certainly don’t agree with everything the modern day red pill philosophy supports, but your premise about them is clearly false. They are the ones who first pointed out the impor…
/r/PurplePillDebate12/01/26 09:00 PM
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This reminds of a previous question about men courting women: Whenever a man puts a woman up on a pedestal above himself, it creates the potential for a power imbalance. This also relates the fact most societies are hypergamous. There are of course also biases in family law which contribute to this as well.
/r/PurplePillDebate11/01/26 06:39 PM
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Exactly. Focusing on women who already show strong interest has a much higher ROI than trying to create strong interest from a woman by courting her.
/r/PurplePillDebate08/01/26 09:04 PM
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“ a lot” isn’t my priority. I’d rather have fewer dates with higher probability, than chasing women, trying convince them I’m the right man for her. My current girlfriend of over a year, originally asked me out.
/r/PurplePillDebate08/01/26 08:31 PM
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The problem with men courting women, to use red pill terminology is that it comes from the perception of the man having lower value. Clearly he thinks the woman is high value, and must convince her, he’s worth her while. Even if he succeeds, he’s going into a relationship with that perception and will constantly have to prove his worth. If, instead, I focus on women who show interest in me, I don’t have to invest in them, but rather I decide if they are worth my while. If I start a relationship,…
/r/PurplePillDebate08/01/26 06:12 PM
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Feminists want women to be advantaged in certain areas, whereas the men’s movement wants equal rights in those areas, thus a gender war.
/r/MensRights08/01/26 05:23 PM
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This is the real issue. Calling people misogynists, racists, etc., are often simply ad hominem attacks.
/r/PurplePillDebate07/01/26 07:53 PM
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Men have been viewed as providers and protectors since the earliest days of humankind which relates to societies being hypergamous as well. Convincing women and society it should be otherwise is a pipe dream.
/r/PurplePillDebate07/01/26 07:48 PM
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I think the myth of male privilege is pushed more as a tool to win policies favorable to women. Patriarchy theory, directly tied to the idea of male privilege has been the feminist go to strategy to win policies that advantage females over males. Ironically, these advantageous policies are actually examples of female privilege.
/r/PurplePillDebate07/01/26 06:49 PM
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I think women more than men absolutely care about what men (and other women) think of them, much more than men do. Consider for example how much effort women put into their appearances when going out. We are at an interesting point regarding the attention men give to women. Young men asking women out these days is risky, more and more men concluding it’s not worth their while. The reaction from women regarding this decreased attention isn’t relief however, it’s one of frustration. There are many…
/r/PurplePillDebate07/01/26 03:46 AM
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As I dated more and more women, I quickly learned they could orgasm far, far more times than me, so I was very surprised to hear about this alleged orgasm gap favoring men. Then I dated a women who couldn’t orgasm at all because of anti-anxiety beds she was in that many women take. I also began to hear more about post menopausal women who often have a hard time having orgasms. Contrast that to men who enjoy orgasms until the day they die. Add those in and it’s easy to see why there’s a gap. Fair…
/r/PurplePillDebate06/01/26 10:06 PM
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I was very shy and quiet when I was young, but I’ve long felt every event has a cause and that attraction just like anything else has a cause and that one can improve with knowledge (and the implementation of that knowledge). My dating life and social life in general absolutely improved as I learned more about what causes rapport and attraction, so in my experience social skills absolutely matter. You may get a few tips on online subs/forums but to make any meaningful headway you really need to …
/r/PurplePillDebate06/01/26 08:50 PM
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Yeah, and that’s the opposite of the norm. Typically we hold the provider of an illegal service more responsible than the buyer. The difference here is that sellers are primarily women and buyers primarily men and society doesn’t want to hold women as responsible. It’s not so much misandry as the OP suggests as it is that society is gynocentric.
/r/PurplePillDebate31/12/25 06:12 PM
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Making prostitution illegal occurred long before the term incel existed. Society and government benefit from men committing to take care of a woman until death do they part. One way to encourage this is to make marriage the primary means of obtaining sex, making other means illegal or immoral.
/r/PurplePillDebate31/12/25 06:08 PM
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One can similarly discuss minor league baseball without considering the major leagues but often such context is relevant to the discussion.
/r/PurplePillDebate31/12/25 04:46 AM
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The fear of being accused along with incredibly liberal definitions of stalking, harassment, etc., most definitely are discouraging young men from asking women out. Several studies confirm this. A reduction however doesn’t mean cold approaches are a thing of the past. Clearly they’re not.
/r/PurplePillDebate29/12/25 03:26 AM
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I think this is really the bottom line. There are numerous reasons why someone might lose interest some of those having nothing at all to do with guy in question. Trying to explain why one doesn’t want to continue means discussions and challenges that are avoided by simply ghosting instead.
/r/PurplePillDebate28/12/25 11:06 PM
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A place I really noticed that was in that famous psychology article about “lonely men” that suggested men should date down even more. This clearly isn’t advice that’s in men’s interest.
/r/PurplePillDebate28/12/25 09:08 PM
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Clearly men that want to date women aren’t consciously trying to appeal to men. I think it’s more that almost all women naturally know how to appeal to men. They know how to flirt at young age, know how to walk with sex appeal, flick their hair, how to address etc., to attract men. A lot if men in contrast are clueless when it comes to attracting women, do they mimic what they do know even if it’s flawed. I can remember when dating advise for men became popular and there was quite a backlash aga…
/r/PurplePillDebate28/12/25 08:40 PM
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I agree, women aren’t going to start approaching men, so as long as we have we thus view that asking women out can constitute harassment, men will be more reluctant to approach women and women will continue to voice their frustration that men don’t ask them out. We can’t have it both ways. We either need to be less harsh about men asking women out or accept men will rightfully be more reluctant to ask women out.
/r/PurplePillDebate28/12/25 06:53 PM
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Women want men to be the pursuer, but men pursuing women can constitute harassment under college policies and by workplace policies. It’s one reason young men aren’t asking women out as much as in the past.
/r/PurplePillDebate28/12/25 05:38 PM
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Society is of course hypergamous, but just because women tend to date up and marry up doesn’t mean marriage and relationships are not worthwhile for men. My girlfriend clearly gets more out of our relationship than I do and would be much more negatively impacted than me if it ends, but at least for now, it’s still a net benefit for me and therefore worth while.
/r/PurplePillDebate28/12/25 05:11 PM
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It’s not the fault of the educated or uneducated when someone uses a strawman. That’s on the person using the strawman.
/r/PurplePillDebate24/12/25 06:31 PM
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No, it’s what we call it when people purposely use words that don’t accurately reflect the point people are making. The point people make about children of single mothers committing more crimes than children who had two parents has nothing to do with “majority”.
/r/PurplePillDebate24/12/25 05:11 PM
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No, you purposely focused on “majority” rather than the relative impact of being raised by a single mother. You are purposely defining the issue to be about “majority” when that’s not the point people are actually making. Misrepresenting the point people are actually making to attack that misrepresentation is a strawman.
/r/PurplePillDebate24/12/25 04:32 PM
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It’s not that her math is bad. It’s that she’s chosen to focus on “majority” rather than the more relevant per capita or proportionality that you point out that’s really at the heart of the issue. She’s right that the 41% is less than a majority, but that’s not really the point. Her math isn’t wrong, it’s just not really relevant to the per capita stats you point out. In short, her statement isn’t inaccurate, it’s just a strawman, that misrepresents what people are really addressing.
/r/PurplePillDebate24/12/25 04:12 PM
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The stats show that those raised by single mothers are far more likely to become criminals, but it’s not a majority because it’s under 50%. She’s focusing on the word majority to misrepresent the actual issue that being raised by a single mother is in fact more likely, much more likely to result in criminality.
/r/PurplePillDebate24/12/25 04:00 PM
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She’s playing with semantics. 41% is a plurality that proportionally represents more than any other category, but being under 50% it’s not a majority.
/r/PurplePillDebate24/12/25 03:49 PM
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Even feminists in the U.S., acknowledge 2-10% of rape accusations are PROVEN false, often by the accuser admitting such. As feminists also acknowledge however most accusations aren’t proven true or false. Obviously some percent of these are also false. There have been studies trying to estimate the percentage of accusations that are false, Kanin for example estimating 41%. Some other studies estimating more or less. So, there’s no solid evidence as to exactly how common false allegations are. Th…
/r/PurplePillDebate20/12/25 05:05 PM
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Two thoughts come to mind: Just because something doesn’t impact both genders absolutely equally doesn’t mean it has to be treated as a gender issue. For example: A victim is a victim, regardless of their sex and should receive victim support, regardless of the relative, gender victimization for the particular crime in question. The odds of being impacted by a risk are a function of the probability, but also the frequency. For example, if only one in 100 college women will accuse a man of harass…
/r/PurplePillDebate19/12/25 07:33 PM
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I agree that as far as sex goes, marriage and divorce is an expensive way to go about it, but for many, relationships are about more than just sex.
/r/PurplePillDebate19/12/25 02:04 AM
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People can feel they’re best dating option in the world if they want, but it won’t changr the realities of how they are viewed by members of the opposite sex. Nobody has to settle for anyone. You can stay single until the day you die waiting for Mr Perfect to take interest.
/r/PurplePillDebate18/12/25 03:25 PM
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1, Many studies confirm young men are dating far less than previous generations. Simply asking women out can constitute harassment by many school codes and many business harassment policies, so this comes as no surprise. It should novice SS no surprise that less dating correlates to lower marriage rates. Young men see that living happily ever after is a fairy tale and that marriage & divorce typically favors women at men’s expense.
/r/PurplePillDebate16/12/25 03:41 PM
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I’ve noticed many young men seem to think hypergamy (women wanting to date up and marry up) is something new. It’s not, it’s been the norm throughout most civilizations throughout history. It may not be fair, but it is what it is. Complaining about it won’t change anything.
/r/PurplePillDebate20/11/25 11:16 PM
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While it’s true that more and more states are adopting presumption of joint custody laws, they are still a minority. Courts having a bias against fathers is still a problem in many states. “Numerous studies over the years have indicated that there is a strong bias against fathers in the US family court system” https://www.multistatefathersrights.com/2020/07/commonly-overlooked-statistics-about-fathers-rights-in-the-us/
/r/PurplePillDebate19/11/25 08:00 PM
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I’m surprised more people don’t see the correlation between female privileges and modern dating problems. Privileging females in education, job hiring and business ownership makes it harder for women to date up and marry up as they desire which they often state as a lack of good men. (For example, when far more men went to med school and became doctors, they happily supported less educated, low income wives, but now that more women go to med school, it doesn’t mean they want to marry and support…
/r/PurplePillDebate19/11/25 07:44 PM
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Men are less willing and less able to buy into hypergamy. More and more, men are asking themselves why they should dippirt a woman and likely get screwed over in a divorce. At the same time, advantaging women in job hiring, business and education means it’s harder for women to marry up. Increased housing costs and inflation also make it harder for men to support a wife. The result is, many men feel women have unrealistic expectations and would rather stay single than date and marry notably down.…
/r/PurplePillDebate14/11/25 09:12 PM
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Exactly. The fact that happiness and good health is correlates with marriage doesn’t mean marriage causes happiness and good health. All it proves is that sickly unhappy men are less likely to get or be married. No great surprise there.
/r/PurplePillDebate07/11/25 04:40 PM
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Exactly. So many miss the hypergamy aspect. Successful men are questioning why they should marry down, support another person with the odds they will get screwed over in a divorce. As a reaction women either need to be less hypergamous (not marry up) or choose to stay single until/if they are able to do so, complaining there are no good men in the process. Advantaging females in education, in job hiring and other ways also feeds into this by making women’s hypergamous desires more difficult to a…
/r/PurplePillDebate05/11/25 10:48 PM
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I’ve known many women who were very liberal, and spoke strongly of being financially independent, that is until they wanted to have kids. Then, a traditional relationship where they were supported became much more appealing and they became less liberal.
/r/PurplePillDebate05/11/25 08:33 PM
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I suppose one could say young men today are more simpy, but I think this is driven in part by the circumstances they face. When I was in college, it was unthinkable to classify asking a woman out as harassment. The EEOC now lists things like present giving, standing close to someone as examples of workplace harassment. More young men are considering what they stand to lose in a divorce. Of course men especially young men are more hesitant to date and marry and are more likely to embrace their fr…
/r/PurplePillDebate05/11/25 08:22 PM
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“In recent years, there has been a noticeable uptick in the number of men who are choosing to hold on to their singlehood like a man overboard clings to a life ring. A recent study found that 63% of men under 30 are single and 28% of men over 50 are choosing to be single.” Financial considerations and freedom are given as two large reasons men are choosing to stay single. This isn’t new but started decades ago. https://theruggedmale.com/why-men-choosing-to-stay-single/ (Many, many other sources …
/r/PurplePillDebate05/11/25 08:01 PM
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Total dating app users was at its high in 20/21, not surprising given an ever growing population but the decline in the percent of people meeting and marrying via dating apps and people’s increased frustration with dating apps started well before that.
/r/PurplePillDebate05/11/25 07:51 PM
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I agree. I think both men and women were happier with dating prospects 10 years ago than they are today.
/r/PurplePillDebate05/11/25 07:31 PM
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It sounds like I’ve been dating much longer than you, but I agree with your perception that dating apps and sites have been declining over the past decade. There are studies confirming this. At the same time: It’s harder than ever for women to date up. More men are concluding that marriage doesn’t benefit them and prefer to stay single. Men asking women out is more dangerous than before as it can constitute sexual harassment in both college and the workplace. This changing dynamic leaves women f…
/r/PurplePillDebate05/11/25 07:04 PM
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Most of the things I learned from my parents growing up, I learned from my dad, and yeah, he was the primary breadwinner as well which provided valuable experiences, my clothes, the food I ate, much of my education, etc. which were not insignificant.
/r/PurplePillDebate23/09/25 05:31 PM
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Exactly. We can look at what the major feminist organizations have advocated. Obviously that’s true feminism. To claim feminist organizations aren’t actually feminist is absolutely a no true Scotsman fallacy.
/r/PurplePillDebate05/09/25 07:27 PM
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If applicable, yes I often share links.
/r/PurplePillDebate01/08/25 06:06 PM
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I sometimes participate here because I’ve done a lot of studying of gender issues over the years. I’m constantly amazed at how many people here either have questions of their own crazy theories about things that have in reality been well studied. Ironically, this is also why I don’t participate more. Few here seem to actually want to hear the realities of hypergamy, how colleges are actively discouraging men from asking women out, and other such realities.
/r/PurplePillDebate01/08/25 05:22 PM
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There’s no need to speculate. In her book, “The War Againdt Boys”, Dr. Christina Hoff-Sommer does a great job of chronicling the negative impacts of legislation focusing on girls has had on boys in education.
/r/PurplePillDebate05/06/25 04:04 PM
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I strongly disagree with your contention. I’ve dated a number of single women with kids and it’s always been problematic for reasons that have nothing to do with jealousy, disgust or hatred as you claim. Children bring in a competing interest of time, they can bring in an ex husband and importantly, I simply don’t want to be father to someone else’s kids. Whether the mother is widowed or divorced is mostly irrelevant. (Though there’s no ex in the case of a widowed woman). I’m now in a wonderful …
/r/PurplePillDebate22/04/25 03:42 PM
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Nobody is entitled to only responses they like, but responses should be in good faith on topic and according to the sub guidelines. A big problem I see is people making run on, poorly thought out posts that invite responses that will be all over the place.
/r/PurplePillDebate16/04/25 06:23 PM
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As another poster said The risk inherent in childbirth has nothing to do with men supporting men or men supporting women. The fact childbirth is astronomically safer than it used to be is of course an indication of how society cares for women.
/r/PurplePillDebate16/04/25 05:33 PM
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Most societies throughout history have been gynocentric. Men are expected to provide for and protect women, Often at great sacrifice to men. It was mostly male politicians who loudly opposed women equally being subject to selective service registration. Similarly, most of the laws that discriminate in favor of women and against men had strong support by male politicians. There has long been a philosophy of women and children first. Men are much more likely to give up their seat for a woman and f…
/r/PurplePillDebate16/04/25 04:15 PM
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Dating is always in the cards, but as with card gambling, the deck is stacked. A smart card gambler knows when the risk is worth it and when it is better to just fold. The same is true of dating.
/r/PurplePillDebate03/04/25 11:58 PM
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You are confusing gynocentrism with matriarchy. A matriarchy is a system of rule by women that excludes men. Obviously that’s not the system in the Ukraine. Obviously, the system is catering to women in many respects which is gynocentric.
/r/PurplePillDebate29/03/25 08:04 PM
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Early in a marriage, savings tend to be minimal, but as couples enter retirement the savings tend to be fairly substantial. My mom stuck with my dad as he died of cancer and for 15 years has been living a great retirement off my dad‘s income. As his wife, she deserves to. I’m just saying her incentive to stick by him for a few months of bad health in return for years of living well is a powerful incentive.
/r/PurplePillDebate27/03/25 09:55 PM
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Wives tend to outlive their husbands. A wife who supports her husband with health issues will likely inherit all his wealth. That is often a powerful incentive to stick by his side.
/r/PurplePillDebate27/03/25 09:33 PM
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Even in early America women often worked, ran businesses, etc. The idea there was ever a time where women never worked and stayed home is a myth.
/r/PurplePillDebate13/03/25 01:17 AM
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Mother’s getting custody =/= father abandonment.
/r/PurplePillDebate11/03/25 12:28 AM
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The so called red pill, manosphere dating advice is really the same thing psychiatrists and sociologists write about regarding report building and how to influence people. There are certain attributes that help create attraction and one can use these to improve their dating success. Learning more about this definitely improved my dating life, including the success I’ve had with my current girlfriend. The laws of attraction aren’t unique to the “manosphere”.
/r/PurplePillDebate04/03/25 11:28 PM
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As you said, most people have unrealistic expectations. Having more realistic expectations would likely result in better choices. I’m having a great relationship right now made possible cause I made good choices in the past including refusing to be pressured into marriage. I chose to act on an opportunity some would have passed by. If this relationship ever goes south, I can choose to drop it and move on rather than choose to stay in a bad relationship. We have choices. Make the best of them.
/r/PurplePillDebate21/02/25 05:44 PM
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I think people, men especially could make better choices overall. I know when I started dating, I expected I’d get married and support a family, not due reflecting on my priorities but because that’s what society pushes. Many men go into marriage expecting they will somehow magically beat the odds regarding divorce and related settlements. People in general, but men especially could choose better by being more objective in their choices.
/r/PurplePillDebate21/02/25 04:40 PM
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I’ve had great girlfriends here in the U.S. so I personally feel no need to look elsewhere. I do find it interesting however that SOME women feel so threatened by not only passport bros but sugaring, prostitution, etc. If a woman has something to offer, she has no reason to be threatened by these things. I think some women getting defensive says more about their insecurities than it does about passport bros.
/r/PurplePillDebate21/02/25 02:18 AM
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As you say, many women aren’t getting what they want or value. In other words they want to date up substantially (hypergamy) but for many that’s simply not possible. It’s not that they can’t get dates, it’s that they can’t find men meeting their high expectations. The key thing I think you are missing is the issue is driven by high expectations. If most women were happy to date men of the same socio-economic standard, there would be no such issue.
/r/PurplePillDebate14/02/25 10:06 PM
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You are conflating two different things. The fact men work more and earn more after a divorce, doesn’t mean divorce itself favors men. If one looks at the financial transfer of wealth such as awards, alimony and child support, divorce clearly favors women which is of course one reason why women file for divorce more than men. Of course given men who divorce need to pay more due to divorce is also a reason they would choose to work more and earn more, whereas women are more able to reduce work, l…
/r/PurplePillDebate13/02/25 07:01 PM
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Someone who is compatible is compatible regardless of options. My girlfriend and I moving to a small town with no other options wouldn’t alter what we have between us.
/r/PurplePillDebate12/02/25 05:32 PM
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Only 2-10% stories false, but if course it’s not the role of our judicial system to even try to prove accusations false, it’s the role of our system to try to prove accusations true. Related, it’s similarly true that many, many more accusations are never proven true or false. Certainly, some portion of these must also be false. Even some convictions (accusations “proven” true) are later proven false as the innocence project has proven. Clearly there are even more “proven guilty” of crimes they d…
/r/PurplePillDebate10/02/25 08:02 PM
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It’s not just feminists. Those many experiments show society in general is fairly accepting of violence against men but not women.
/r/MensRights02/02/25 02:41 PM
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I’ve been around long enough to see dating has become more difficult for both men and women. I think overall, it’s harder for men, but it’s situational. There are certainly many women who struggle with dating. Related, I also think it’s somewhat she dependent. For a young, hot woman with no kids, the world is her oyster. For an older woman who divorced getting no money and who has kids and grandkids, it’s likely not so easy.
/r/PurplePillDebate30/01/25 11:12 PM
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I’ve had astronomically more platonic friends than I’ve had romantic relationships, so I disagree. The era of the internet makes it easier than ever before to find ways to join like minded individuals. I’m a part of 2 meet up groups, a Facebook activity group and taking a continuing ed class. I may start a group fitness class soon.
/r/PurplePillDebate28/01/25 08:42 PM
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Few couples these days can afford to have only one bread winner, meaning for most couples having a stay at home wife/mother isn’t really easier.
/r/PurplePillDebate02/01/25 06:21 PM
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I support those things, but of course that’s not a very accurate representation of old school feminism.
/r/PurplePillDebate02/01/25 06:19 PM
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I agree. Men aren’t “under utilizing” mental health services because of masculinity, they are using such services less because they don’t find talk therapy very helpful at fixing the underlying problem.
/r/PurplePillDebate30/12/24 05:23 PM
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They have had a say in their mate, arranged marriages have always been the exception, not the rule, and even in arranged marriages it’s often been about hypergamy.
/r/PurplePillDebate30/12/24 03:52 AM
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According to this source, about 30 percent of spouses met online, not a majority but still a significant way to meet people. Meeting someone through friends is also high on the list. How people meet and how hard it is to meet people to date are of course not the same thing. I meet women IRL and online, but both are much harder than they used to be. https://www.theknot.com/content/online-dating-most-popular-way-to-meet-spouse
/r/PurplePillDebate25/12/24 06:09 PM
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I second this. I think sexism is to discriminate on the basis of sex. Even if she’s a harsh ref, that doesn’t mean she’s sexist. One really has to know how she treats women in similar situations.
/r/MensRights24/12/24 08:58 PM
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It’s a minority of men. In the real world, most men like a woman who has the experience to know how to please a man sexually.
/r/PurplePillDebate23/12/24 11:18 PM
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It shows how easy it is to accuse men, tarnish their reputation and possibly win a settlement all without evidence. If she feels she was sexually assaulted, she should press charges, rather than make unsupported claims. I’m no great fan of his, but people should be viewed as innocent until actual evidence shows they are guilty. Anyone can accuse anyone of anything. May they both go down in flames for their antics.
/r/PurplePillDebate23/12/24 10:34 PM
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I agree with you that in principle it’s good to move away from accepting accusations to requiring more proof, but while you are focusing on that principle, others are focusing on the actual dynamics at play here and how this will be selectively enforced to the disadvantage of fathers.
/r/MensRights14/12/24 08:11 PM
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I currently pursue women for relationships, but not for marriage and would feel the same if I was a billionaire. Non marriage relationships may have their biases, but unlike marriage can be ended (by either party) with no ongoing monetary obligations which can be enormous and life changing with marriage and divorce. The more a guy has, the more he stands to lose and the more the odds he will be taken advantage of.
/r/PurplePillDebate14/12/24 05:44 AM
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2-10% are proven false, but we need to remember the majority of accusations are never proven one way or the other. Obviously some of these unproven accusations are also untrue, so the percent of false allegations must be a fair bit behind this often quoted number. Those who claim the 2-10% represents all false accusations are simply being disingenuous, but certainly not all women are claiming that.
/r/PurplePillDebate14/12/24 01:56 AM
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Learning what women care about and incorporating that most definitely increased my dating success, but none of those things were fundamental changes in who I am. I guess it shows just how shallow initial attraction can be.
/r/PurplePillDebate08/12/24 07:26 PM
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Someone being female doesn’t make them an expert regarding dating dynamics. Refer to those who are experts.
/r/PurplePillDebate05/12/24 11:58 PM
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I agree. There’s nothing to be gained by judging. Years ago I had a date with a woman who “demanded” that a relationship must lead to an engagement within a couple months of meeting someone which is way too fast for me. A couple months later she told me she was engaged to someone she met a month earlier. That demand was a deal breaker for me, but obviously wasn’t for someone else. No need to look down, otherwise judge or be angry. Her demand was incompatible with my goals but was compatible with…
/r/PurplePillDebate04/12/24 09:00 PM
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Most women won’t be compatible with what I seek, unusual or high demands being only one of many potential points of incompatibility. (I similarly won’t be compatible with what a lot of women are looking for). I see no use in getting angry about incompatibility and I similarly see no reason to spend a great deal of time analyzing it. If someone is incompatible, why waste time? Better to move on to someone who is compatible. Sometimes a person may be incompatible on one level but not another. A wo…
/r/PurplePillDebate04/12/24 07:18 PM
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Education: agree with your thoughts and would add that college men accused of sexual assault should be afforded due process, not some kangaroo court. Job hiring: End affirmative action for women in favor of merit based hiring. Business: Stop discriminating in favor of women owned business advantages and treat businesses equally regardless of merit. Selective service registration: Stop discriminating against men and make it gender equal. Child custody: All states adopt equal presumption of joint …
/r/PurplePillDebate04/12/24 07:01 AM
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Being married to someone doesn’t nullify sexual assault. A husband can be charged with sexually assaulting a wife, as it should be. Ironically however, when it comes to domestic violence, women initiate domestic violence more than men studies show. Similarly, lesbian couples experience more domestic violence than gay male couples. https://aliesq.medium.com/extensive-research-women-initiate-domestic-violence-more-than-men-men-under-report-it-3bbaa4fbec9d https://aifs.gov.au/resources/practice-gui…
/r/PurplePillDebate01/12/24 05:34 PM
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Your post is about avoiding the bias of relationships, which you advocate doing by being celebrate. My point is that by far the biggest biases in relationships come with marriage, divorce and family law. That’s where a guy can lose his shirt having no say in the issue. You are advocating being celebrate when one doesn’t have to celebrate to avoid the major biases. Even with dating you don’t have to pay a women’s way or compromise your self worth to pursue relationships and sex if you don’t want …
/r/PurplePillDebate30/11/24 08:10 PM
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Sure, hypergamy applies to even dating, but the biggest biases come with marriage, divorce and family law, which can be avoided by not marrying, but still enjoying relationships and sex.
/r/PurplePillDebate30/11/24 07:21 PM
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4b isn’t about avoiding marriage and divorce biases (which overall favor women), it’s essentially a sex strike. While there may be some similarities, there’s some clear differences as well. They aren’t simply the same principles applied to the opposite sex.
/r/PurplePillDebate29/11/24 09:40 PM
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I never said 4B was not bad. (Or not good) There are however other posts that addressed the difference between the original Korean version and the current U.S. version you may wish to refer to.
/r/PurplePillDebate29/11/24 08:35 PM
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I never used the term sexist. While there is some similarity, they are different in that men choosing to not marry is largely about avoiding the biases of marriage and divorce which they do in fact avoid. 4B in contrast isn’t about avoiding such biases. In the U.S., angered by the election, a very small minority of angry women are having a sex strike in an attempt to make men suffer, but men won’t suffer as a result. I don’t mention the same for each movement because they are not the same. These…
/r/PurplePillDebate29/11/24 08:09 PM
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You claim 4B is just a female version of MGTOW. bd31, is pointing out a way that’s not true. Making a choice to not marry and avoid marriage is not the same as joining a movement with the express purpose of trying to negatively impact men.
/r/PurplePillDebate29/11/24 07:36 PM
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Exactly. I love dating women, but marriage and divorce doesn’t appeal to me, something I realized before I ever heard the term MGTOW. My decision has absolutely nothing to do with being a part of any movement or being anti-woman, it’s simply a lifestyle choice.
/r/PurplePillDebate29/11/24 07:33 PM
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Exactly. First of all, their number is so small it doesn’t have any real impact on the dating market. Second, most men don’t want to go after misandrist women anyways. MGTOWs similarly don’t have any bargaining power, but that’s not their point, their point is avoidance.
/r/PurplePillDebate29/11/24 07:28 PM
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MGTOW is men avoiding marriage to avoid the biases of marriage and divorce. 4b in the U.S., is largely a reaction to the election and a small minority of angry, misandrist women trying to stick it to men. Men who decide to not marry do avoid the potential financial loss of divorce. Women choosing to not have sex with men aren’t really avoiding any such potential loss.
/r/PurplePillDebate29/11/24 04:54 PM
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Lesbian couples have more domestic violence than heterosexual couples. Gay men en have less.
/r/PurplePillDebate28/11/24 05:22 PM
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I was talking about breasts being considered sexual or if they aren’t considered sexual, then they shouldn’t qualify under sexual assault. Of course any part of the body can be assaulted. I never claimed otherwise. I assume you misrepresented what I said because you can’t fault what I actually said.
/r/PurplePillDebate27/11/24 08:51 PM
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It’s hypocritical to claim breasts aren’t sexual parts of the body when it comes to the topfree movement but then claim they are when it comes to sexual assault, being looked at, etc. They need to be classified one way or the other, not considered one way, then the other based on the agenda at hand.
/r/PurplePillDebate27/11/24 05:14 PM
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Different people have different preferences in whom they date. Date whomever you wish for whatever reasons you wish.
/r/PurplePillDebate26/11/24 07:43 PM
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Saying women’s standards are too low in a hypergamous society makes no sense. If women’s standards were too low, men wouldn’t be having such a hard time finding women and society would be hypogamous, not hypergamous.
/r/PurplePillDebate26/11/24 05:01 PM
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In today’s society, women don’t need to select a guy who’s a good provider and protector. There are certainly examples of independent women who don’t. Studies show women initiate more domestic violence than men, so one could argue it’s men that need to be more careful in this regard. https://aliesq.medium.com/extensive-research-women-initiate-domestic-violence-more-than-men-men-under-report-it-3bbaa4fbec9d
/r/PurplePillDebate25/11/24 04:52 PM
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It’s not just notable feminists trashing on men. Leading feminist organizations have continually fought for and won laws that average women and disadvantage men.
/r/PurplePillDebate20/11/24 03:04 PM
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Those who say it’s just a numbers game are missing the impact of hypergamy, Briffault’s law, the fact men are expected to make the first move, the fact doing so can get a guy accused of harassment, etc. There’s more at play than just numbers, and wanting sex.
/r/PurplePillDebate19/11/24 03:56 PM
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The continued efforts of major feminist organizations to advantage females over males proves it’s not about gender equality.
/r/PurplePillDebate19/11/24 01:43 AM
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Women have several ways to legally opt out of parenthood, once conception is suspected abortion being only one of these. Men should have at least one way to legally opt out as well. It’s not fair that women should have several reproductive rights while men mainly have reproductive responsibilities. Those that use the term “financial abortion”, aren’t helping their cause. Men legally being able to surrender parenthood has nothing to do with abortion and shouldn’t be equated with it.
/r/PurplePillDebate18/11/24 08:44 PM
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Roe V. Wade wasn’t overturned by men, it wasn’t overturned by any political party. It was overturned by the Supreme Court on constitutional grounds, something constitutional lawyers have long said would happen at some point. Overturning Roe V. Wade doesn’t make abortion illegal, it acknowledges it as a state’s rights issue not a federal one. If people don’t like their state’s laws, they need to address their state government, not men.
/r/PurplePillDebate18/11/24 04:31 PM
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MGTOW is men trying to escape what they feel are biases, it’s not about trying to stick it to women because their candidate didn’t win. If pro-choice women in states where abortion is illegal, said they weren’t going to have sex because they don’t trust their birth control to work so won’t have sex if abortion isn’t an option, that would be more like MGTOW, but that’s not what 4B is about.
/r/PurplePillDebate11/11/24 08:52 PM
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You get into a lot of points, but I think your theory in action is a key point I’ll focus on. It’s a reaction to an election result, that didn’t go the way they wanted, but their action won’t do anything to influence elections. It won’t impact men in general and even if it did it’s not targeting men who voted for Trump specifically and ignored the many women who voted for Trump. It’s about angry individuals trying to lash out. They are the only ones that will be impacted in any meaningful way. I…
/r/PurplePillDebate11/11/24 08:44 PM
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Yes. Sometimes fighting fraud isn’t worth the potential downsides, especially since courts have shown to be fairly unsympathetic to paternity fraud. Often the defrauded father has grown attached to the child and doesn’t want the child to suffer due to it’s mother’s fraud.
/r/PurplePillDebate11/11/24 07:46 PM
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The vast majority of women aren’t potential sex or romantic partners, adding a few more won’t change much. If anything, misandrist women deciding to not have sex and not date men will make things a little easier. If you want to abstain from sex with men go for it.
/r/PurplePillDebate11/11/24 05:01 PM
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1, Something doesn’t have to be a majority to be easy to find. Carrots represent an incredibly small fraction of foods, but it doesn’t mean I can’t easily go buy carrots if I want. Conservative women may not be a majority, but that doesn’t mean they are rare or hard to find, they’re not. 2. For me it’s not so much about political party affiliation but extremism and how strongly they feel about certain views. I could never date a man-hating feminist. Hopefully they’ll all go 4B which would save a…
/r/PurplePillDebate11/11/24 03:21 PM
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When Harris actually had to run in a primary 4 years ago, voters in her own party didn’t support her as a presidential candidate. Making her a candidate this time without the votes of her party was a huge risk. Someone who had actually had to go through the primary election process to win their spot in the ticket, probably would have faired better. I do think more men are getting fed up with identity politics (that often disadvantage them) but exit polls didn’t indicate that was a significant re…
/r/PurplePillDebate09/11/24 02:34 AM
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Deciding to be celebrate, not get married, etc., can have individual consequences: it can avoid STD risk, a man can avoid the financial repercussions of divorce, etc, but as we’ve seen with MGTOW it has no political leverage. A woman deciding to be celebrate only means she won’t be having sex, but overall nobody cares what she decides and certainly politics aren’t going to change just because some women decide not to have sex or relationships. The other obvious issue is that the election is over…
/r/PurplePillDebate08/11/24 03:54 PM
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The elections may eventually impact college dating. It may eventually reduce the risk of facing sexual harassment allegations simply for asking someone out on a date. I think however that most of the choices made and influences on those choices have nothing to do with who holds political offices.
/r/PurplePillDebate07/11/24 08:58 PM
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I think that’s consistent with the OP’s point. The women with the most to offer married well the first time around and will be even more problematic to date the second time around as a result. Women who married some dead beat, are in debt and looking for a man to support them are much easier to date, but come with accompanying problems. Like the OP, I find dating younger women tends to be a good compromise. They rarely have inherited great wealth, but don’t have the baggage many older women ofte…
/r/PurplePillDebate06/11/24 11:12 PM
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Completely agree. Most of the older women in this category I’ve come across don’t need to work due to the money they’ve received from a previous husband, but regardless, the bottom line is how much men will improve their position. If a women is young, not earning a lot, hasn’t received money from an ex, etc., it doesn’t take as much to improve her position.
/r/PurplePillDebate06/11/24 09:13 PM
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Many older women I’ve come across are financially secure due to a previous divorce settlement. They will happily date someone who will improve their socioeconomic standard, but given they are already well off due to a previous marriage means they can afford to be incredibly selective. Some of these women have what it takes to attract an even wealthier man. Many never will and will simply remain single, living comfortably off their divorce settlement. (Same basic premise with widows).
/r/PurplePillDebate06/11/24 09:00 PM
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I think the red pill makes some good points about the realities vs myths of dating, but their stated preferences most certainly don’t represent most men. Most men I know want a woman with some sexual talent, not a virgin. Most men I know don’t want a social media drama queen, but want a woman who is grounded and takes care of herself, who is beautiful inside and out naturally not because she spends hours getting made up or puts on a false persona.
/r/PurplePillDebate05/11/24 10:31 PM
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It’s clear college men are dating less and making advances less due to fear of being seen as creepy or the very real risk of their advances being reported as sexually harassing women. More men are simply deciding that trying to date women isn’t worth the risk. Personally, I find their reaction sad, but perfectly rational given the current climate.
/r/PurplePillDebate05/11/24 10:18 PM
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Women “date out of their league” because society is hypergamous. Of course one could argue that dating up isn’t really out of their league if they are able to do so.
/r/PurplePillDebate05/11/24 04:53 PM
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Politicians pander to the women’s vote more so than the men’s vote. Feminism has a much stronger lobby than the men’s rights movement. (And disseminates a lot of propaganda). As a result politicians are happy to pass laws advantaging women but have little incentive to pass laws equal for men. Consider how Congress considered but refused to make women equally eligible for selective service registration. Most of wins the men’s movement has won have been won in legal grounds, not by winning politic…
/r/PurplePillDebate04/11/24 03:13 PM
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The incidence of orgasms probably has little to do with how men and women interact during sex but is likely driven by masturbation with a lot of young guys doing that a lot and some women who simply aren’t sexual. I’m sure women going through menopause is an impact as well.
/r/PurplePillDebate30/10/24 07:34 PM
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It seems to me that in comparing men and women to different norms, they aren’t measuring inequality. It seems to me they are “comparing” men and women based on a small handful of cherry picked attributes, ignoring attributes that don’t suit the outcome they wish to portray. Therefore their results don’t represent overall inequality in an area, just inequality in selected areas. An issue I see with many of these so called equality or inequality indexes is they are portraying any difference as ine…
/r/PurplePillDebate30/10/24 03:29 PM
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Exactly. Many campus codes are written such that an alleged offense doesn’t have to be sexual to be defined as sexual harassment and therefore fall under title IX.
/r/MensRights14/07/24 03:41 PM
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Men and women have different interests. I see no need to deny anyone opportunities simply because of this. Let them pursue their different interests. Since men are still overall the primary breadwinner, they have to think about income potential more than women do. A guy might love theatre but know getting a STEM major will be more conducive to attracting a wife and raising a family. Women being more able to major in an easy, fun subject and be supported by a husband is a benefit for women, not a…
/r/MensRights27/06/24 08:19 PM
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This exactly, just as the NBA allows women, but not a single woman has ever had the physical ability. When comes to physical ability, men and women are simply not equal. Those who claim women are equally capable are saying so for agenda reasons, ignoring reality.
/r/PurplePillDebate09/06/24 11:15 PM
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Women just out of college earn more and advance faster than their male counterparts. The wage gap, where women on average start earning less kicks in when women marry, have kids and choose to focus less on work, often because a husband makes this possible.
/r/PurplePillDebate06/05/24 12:06 AM
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Given, there are astronomically more men than bears in the park, even that underestimates the relative risk each imposes. Proportionally, the bear kills are astronomically higher relative to the population or to encounters. The average visitor will encounter many, many times more men than bears, yet more die from bears.
/r/PurplePillDebate02/05/24 03:18 AM
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Great inside perspective. I appreciate the insight.
/r/MensRights03/03/24 03:46 AM
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Or a pin hole in the condom, or woman fished the condom out of the garbage, or lies about being on the pill…. These are all among the reasons men should be able to legal parent surrender. Women have a few ways to legally surrender. It’s also a good reason to consider a vasectomy.
/r/MensRights13/01/24 08:29 PM
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I’m all for sex education, but I think schools sponsoring drag shows shouldn’t be included in that.
/r/PurplePillDebate20/12/23 03:37 PM
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Man Dishes: 1-3 times a day depending on meals. Cooking: 1-2 times daily, again depending on meals. Buy groceries: twice weekly. Vacuuming: weekly Laundry: weekly. Trash and recycling: weekly. Clean kitchen: every other day Clean bathrooms: weekly.
/r/PurplePillDebate18/12/23 05:16 PM
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I hate all policies that discriminate against people on the basis of their sex.
/r/MensRights25/11/23 07:51 PM
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Yep. Decades later and we still see people justifying discrimination against others. Little has changed.
/r/MensRights14/11/23 05:27 AM
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Second baiting question I’ve seen today, claiming discrimination without any evidence of discrimination. Don’t fall for people!
/r/MensRights12/11/23 05:16 PM
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I suspect this is a baiting question designed to make MRAs look bad. Of course the man who actually committed the sexual assault received the harsher sentence.
/r/MensRights12/11/23 05:14 PM
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The article clearly states women petition for divorce more than men. “In the UK, ONS statistics showed women petitioned for 62% of divorces in England and Wales in 2019.” That’s consistent with the higher rate of lesbian couples.
/r/PurplePillDebate02/11/23 07:55 PM
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I think it will get worse over the next decade. Whether we see a backlash and see the pendulum start to swing back or not after that, I don’t know, but even if further decline is followed by a trend of getting better, it probably still won’t be any better than we see now.
/r/PurplePillDebate19/10/23 11:52 PM
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I’ve never married, but I date in and off. Even when I’m dating, it doesn’t define my life. I travel, go hiking, biking, work out, read a book by the pool, watch tv, socialize with friends, etc. I like women, but they don’t define me.
/r/PurplePillDebate08/10/23 02:19 PM
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Funny how they say violence against women and girls is endemic what violence against men and boys is more common
/r/MensRights07/10/23 07:23 PM
1

This is an important point many here are missing. This isn’t a case of separate but equal. It’s simply denying space to men. It’s one sided.
/r/MensRights05/10/23 05:02 PM
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Good point.
/r/MensRights05/10/23 04:59 PM
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On occasion. I was recently at a small talk where a misandrist presenter refused to call on men. A woman raised her hand and when called on referred to one of the men who weren’t being called on. I’ve never seen a woman physically try to protect a grown man, but I have occasionally seen them call other women on their B.S.
/r/PurplePillDebate05/10/23 03:43 PM
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I like that he addresses things other than just the direct biases such as alimony. Paternity fraud, school policies favoring the mom, etc., are all part of the problem.
/r/MensRights03/10/23 04:38 PM
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It’s not really landmark. As the article says: “There is overwhelming evidence of conscious, blatant, and widespread discrimination against boys and men in modern societies”
/r/MensRights03/10/23 04:32 PM
2

This worked for me. The relationship with the largest age gap was the best relationship I ever had.
/r/PurplePillDebate01/10/23 12:25 PM
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Men are seen as providers. Women are more able to be provided for. Obviously this influences career choices.
/r/PurplePillDebate28/09/23 09:33 PM
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I remember a woman who posted a YouTube video about being harassed walking down the street in NYC. Watching the complete video it became apparent most of this harassment was people saying hello to her. If saying hello is considered harassment of course fewer men will approach women.
/r/PurplePillDebate28/09/23 04:04 PM
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I’ve read articles about men going to Thailand to find women that were written decades ago. I agree this is nothing new which is why I find it so odd people are making such a big issue about it.
/r/PurplePillDebate26/09/23 08:33 PM
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The number of posts here that try to justify discrimination against men shows how needed the men’s rights movement is.
/r/MensRights16/09/23 10:27 PM
11

We spend more on women’s cancer research, have women only healthcare benefits under Obamacare sand have women only healthcare agencies. People who say healthcare is biased towards men are ignoring the big evidence and cherry picking anecdotal things to support their biased view.
/r/MensRights27/06/23 07:07 PM
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The left promotes identity politics which feminism is a part of. Google cultural Marxism and the influence of the Frankfurt school in the U.S .
/r/MensRights25/06/23 01:57 PM
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Simply an attempt to paint women as more victimized to justify more help/aid for them.
/r/MensRights24/06/23 06:57 PM
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In most countries, violent crime, including crime against women has decreased. A few countries such as Sweden have increased violent crime against women and men due to their lax and wine immigration policy. That’s a matter of policy, not men.
/r/MensRights15/06/23 10:49 AM
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Aus is one of the most misandrist countries. I’m never going back there.
/r/MensRights15/06/23 10:44 AM
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Sure, and if one looks at long term evolutionary advantages, this makes perfect sense. We are drawn to attributes that signal good health, the physical ability to provide and protect, to have and raise children, etc. Obesity isn’t that, and as you said we can change our body fat percent.
/r/PurplePillDebate23/05/23 05:03 PM
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One can find individuals in any major movement who have committed a murder. The bad act of an individual in a movement doesn’t define what a movement is about. The acts of the movement itself define what the movement is about.
/r/MensRights23/05/23 04:59 PM
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It sounds like they both acknowledge they behaved poorly. If they’ve resolved the issue between them, then there’s no need for any outside party to become involved.
/r/MensRights04/01/23 02:25 AM
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Apparently they are taking “killAllMen” seriously.
/r/MensRights21/12/22 07:07 AM
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An example of how same job title or same job description doesn’t mean two people are doing the same, equal work.
/r/MensRights16/12/22 05:19 PM
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The response brings up many good points. Bottom line: he should consult a lawyer.
/r/MensRights21/11/22 12:59 AM
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If you truly think your attorney sucks, get a second opinion. My guess is however your attorney knows what’s beneficial to support your case and what’s not. Your attorney may feel what friends of yours say isn’t credible evidence for example.
/r/MensRights20/11/22 08:33 PM
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Of course she doesn’t list any actual privileges that come with being a man. She simply makes and unsubstantiated claim of privilege.
/r/MensRights20/11/22 08:29 PM
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Talk to a lawyer versed in family law in your state.
/r/MensRights20/11/22 08:27 PM
2

Don’t date. Problem solved.
/r/MensRights24/10/22 04:56 AM
4

We have separate women’s sports because women aren’t as good as men athletically. It’s like watching minor league baseball. I’m all for participation opportunities, but let’s not pretend they are equal to men’s sports.
/r/MensRights24/10/22 04:45 AM
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Really great information. Thanks.
/r/MensRights22/10/22 03:03 AM
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I hadn’t really thought if this analogy, but I can remember decades ago when many feminists came across as very nasty, bitter women whom men had no interest in. (Think Dworkin). They were very anti-make because men had no interest in them. It’s exactly the same thing they now shame “incels” for.
/r/MensRights21/10/22 07:22 PM
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Are you saying because women’s rights lagged behind men’s prior to 1920, we now live in a patriarchy, even though women have had equal voting rights for over 100 years?
/r/MensRights21/10/22 04:02 AM
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That’s a RAINN survey, it’s not actual reporting. They are notorious for biased stats.
/r/MensRights19/10/22 11:10 PM
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I assume you asked for a reason. Some action of hers or something she said must have provoked the question and that’s what I would focus on. Feminist is just a label. You can’t very well complain to the principle or school board that she’s a feminist. If however she’s pushing woke agenda or her personal agenda on your child, now you have a legitimate complaint. Rather than ask if she’s a feminist, I’d ask probing questions, documenting her responses and documenting what she’s said to your kid th…
/r/MensRights19/10/22 12:46 AM
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The left cared about the women’s vote.
/r/MensRights28/09/22 05:00 PM
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Feminists say they want equality, but complain when they get it.
/r/MensRights27/09/22 03:06 AM
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Of course it can happen in the U.S. The U.S. just reaffirmed women continue to be exempt from selective service and any potential draft.
/r/MensRights27/09/22 01:00 AM
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Much of the discrimination men face is a direct result of feminism.
/r/MensRights27/09/22 12:56 AM
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Apparently wokeness has its limits.
/r/MensRights26/09/22 10:34 PM
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