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I go in for sugar waxing once a month.
/r/MenSupportMen27/12/24 04:00 AM
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Without knowing anything about this particular person or their views, I wouldn't dismiss the idea as anti-male. The thing that no one talks about is that being in charge kind of sucks. The constant pressure to struggle for dominance is one of the worst things about being male. I can see the appeal of a society where someone else takes that burden. What I have trouble dealing with is men who embrace disposability, and seek to enforce it on other men.
/r/MenSupportMen27/12/24 03:35 AM
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... pretending that this issue was addressed for men. They didn't say that it was, at least not in this thread.
/r/MensRights12/10/21 01:42 AM
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Claiming you didn't say things you did, feminists haven't done things they've done, our position isn't what it is... those are gaslighting. Ok, and where did /u/EnvironmentalWar4627 do any of that? Their point is basically that one example does not prove a trend. That's not to say there isn't a trend, but they are correct that this one example isn't enough to prove it.
/r/MensRights12/10/21 01:28 AM
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What would you say is the difference between gaslighting and disagreeing?
/r/MensRights12/10/21 01:13 AM
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Why do you believe this to be the case? Can you give an example?
/r/MensRights04/10/17 07:34 PM
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I'd imagine a lot of kids see these pride rallies and trans celebs then decide that's what they want to be, even if years later they think it's the worst decision of their life. You can imagine anything you want. Doesn't make it true.
/r/MensRights04/10/17 08:26 AM
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I'm not a feminist, but I think it would be unfair to hold up /r/feminism as representative. The mod of that sub and /r/askfeminists, demmian, is criticized here for being ban-happy, but there are those who would say he's also quick to ban feminists. There are at least two communities made for feminists banned from that sub: /r/bannedfromfeminism (which seems to have gone private) and /r/wherearethefeminists. (MRAs, don't expect to find allies there; just because they hate demmian doesn't mean t…
/r/MensRights24/06/17 08:24 PM
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I can't give you my position without knowing your position, because I don't even know what aspect you want to debate. It's like if I asked you to debate the wikipedia entry on the sun, but I refuse to tell you what it is about the article I dispute. Is it the temperature, the size, the mass, the mechanism for how it shines, the location, its chemical composition, what? If I asked you to give me your position on the sun so we can debate, what would you say? Asking me for my position makes no sens…
/r/MensRights23/06/17 08:57 PM
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It's good to not jump to conclusions, but you've already decided this was going to be a debate, so there must be something I said you disagree with. Unless you were, in fact, jumping to conclusions. Why don't you go ahead and say what part of the article you disagreed with, and we'll use that as a basis for discussion.
/r/MensRights23/06/17 08:47 PM
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I can appreciate that, but it's kind of annoying to talk this long without getting to the point. I'd appreciate it if you'd stop being coy. Why don't you just go ahead and say what part of the article, or my statement, you disagreed with? I don't think I actually saw anything in the article that I outright disagree with. I do disagree with the way that some people approach this issue, but I didn't see any of the usual problems in this article. You apparently have a problem with both the article,…
/r/MensRights23/06/17 08:36 PM
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You're not going to tell me where you were going with that car thing? Before I continue, can I ask, did you read the whole article?
/r/MensRights23/06/17 08:10 PM
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Do you believe it is a double standard to feel differently between an economy car and muscle car? No. Please elaborate on this statement. There were all kinds of studies referenced by the article in question, showing how the emotions of males are not acknowledged or engaged with by their parents, peers, or women.
/r/MensRights23/06/17 08:05 PM
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I wouldn't have responded at all if I wasn't interested in discussing it.
/r/MensRights23/06/17 07:56 PM
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Yep.
/r/MensRights23/06/17 07:52 PM
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If nothing else, it's calling out a double standard. Whether or not you believe mothers and fathers should be typecast into their typical household roles, many feminists would probably object to mothers being typecast in that way. I also thought they made some interesting points about how we limit the emotional expression of boys.
/r/MensRights23/06/17 07:21 PM
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What? You have a link?
/r/MensRights23/06/17 07:39 AM
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It's not like this show hasn't had women be comedy victims. Maybe there is a difference to how far they'll go with women before treating them sympathetically, but it's fairly subtle. Pornstache, for instance, sexually harassed many women.
/r/MensRights18/06/17 10:51 PM
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Pornstache/Mendez was one of the worst of the men, and it's pretty clearly established by now that he has a mental illness of some sort. Then there's CO Bayley, who's shown as a victim of being thrown into the job undertrained. There's Caputo, who's shown as a decent person trying to do the right thing from within a broken system. That said, I won't go TOO far to defend this show. In a lot of ways, Weeds, apparently by the same writer, was worse.
/r/MensRights18/06/17 10:45 PM
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That makes sense, but I'm fairly sure that's not the way the current system works. Rape victims are still on the hook for child support. I know of some specific cases involving statutory rape, not sure about the other kind.
/r/MensRights18/06/17 07:29 AM
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Both man and woman have consensual relationship. Wait, so if a man is raped he can't surrender? What kind of sense does that make?
/r/MensRights18/06/17 06:47 AM
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But by the end of season 2 I noticed something: all of the male characters are shitbags. To be fair, how many of the women aren't? I can't think of one off the top of my head that hasn't done at least one morally questionable thing. Though of course, they are portrayed more as victims of circumstance.
/r/MensRights17/06/17 09:34 PM
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This season did make me extremely uncomfortable, but overall I felt it was meant to be taken as dark comedy at best. The scene that did bother me is when Lorna sent her boyfriend and his friends to beat up her old abuse victim. The musical cues seemed happy, both her and the boyfriend are still portrayed sympathetically, and the incident was never mentioned again.
/r/MensRights17/06/17 09:32 PM
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Those are the ones already mentioned. =P
/r/MensRights25/05/17 01:15 AM
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I get where you're coming from, but that seems like a pretty fatalistic view. Yes, bias is inevitable, but to completely dismiss the entire concept of research based on that is to say that humanity's knowledge can't ever move forward. It's also to say that there's no objective way to know if your own argument is more or less valid than that of your opponent. SantaOrange has already posted one but there could well be more out there, the difficulty is, how do you prove that there is such a lack of…
/r/MensRights25/05/17 12:15 AM
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Believe me, I was pretty flabbergasted when my friend denied it existed, but in fairness, if it's as obvious as you and I feel it is, there should be mountains of evidence, even if it hasn't specifically been a target of study. I know that they would criticize that study over fairly small sample size, but it's a start, thanks!
/r/MensRights24/05/17 11:30 PM
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Oh. I thought "Hey, me again!" meant "Someone linked one of my articles again". XD
/r/MensRights11/05/17 10:29 PM
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Wait, you mean you're the author of the article? Wasn't expecting that. :) I just posted it for discussion, not necessarily because I agree or disagree with it. However, since you ask, I did take issue with a couple of things. First, you state "Generally, feminists dismiss this idea by arguing that false accusations are rare—only between 2% and 10% of all reports are estimated to be false." You don't dispute this figure, so I assume you endorse it. However, the source you link says: The determin…
/r/MensRights11/05/17 10:26 PM
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I don't really know how typical my experience was, since a big part of the reason I struggled is because I had an insecure, anxiety-prone emotionally-abusive parent who insisted on micromanaging my schoolwork. Nevertheless, I will share my experience. This is probably going to be a bit incoherent, since it's a broad question. I was one of the kids on ritalin, for the record. "Fun" projects were the bane of my existence. By this, I mean things like "draw a comic strip about the digestive system" …
/r/MensRights11/05/17 10:13 PM
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Agreed, but wouldn't it make a stronger impact to focus on institutional feminists rather than anonymous internet commentators?
/r/MensRights03/05/17 01:55 AM
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I like Warren Farrell because he discusses men's issues in a well-researched and minimally confrontational manner. I think a youtube series would be a great way to introduce men's issues to people outside of the community and start conversations, so I would like it if it was made with that purpose in mind. I don't have any particular suggestions on topics at the moment, though.
/r/MensRights27/04/17 03:08 AM
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He could count on my patronage!
/r/MensRights26/04/17 11:46 PM
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Even so, it shows that it can be done, contrary to what other people are saying.
/r/MensRights19/04/17 07:35 PM
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There actually are a few men only gyms. Here's one in Las Vegas for instance. Definitely less well known than their counterparts, though.
/r/MensRights19/04/17 09:14 AM
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Anti-feminist =/= pro-mens rights. Got my hopes up for nothing...
/r/MensRights03/01/17 09:37 AM
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This is a really good question, and it's hard to think of a concise answer. Honestly, the only way I could see to ensure we would never need MR activism again would be for humanity to become a unisex, unigendered species. Until then, there are always going to be conflicts of interest. That doesn't necessarily mean those conflicts will be on the same scale of importance relative to other political issues though... so I guess the point where I'd feel more comfortable leaving men's issues to other …
/r/MensRights30/11/16 09:14 PM
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What will they do to earn it? I assume it's an incentive to provide a rehabilitative environment in the prison, with good counseling, mental health services, and vocational training. Which doesn't sound like a bad thing, but of course the question is why only women? I'm going to be charitable and assume that it's because the women's prison is the only one being privatized in that jurisdiction.
/r/MensRights29/11/16 03:20 PM
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It has taken the form of "you like men and men are disgusting, so you're disgusting". I think homophobia really has the same root cause as slut shaming. Society has decided that desiring men sexually is a shameful act. Wow, that's pretty insightful. It sure explains what I've seen of both slut-shaming and homophobia much better than the "femininity" answer. I'm probably going to be quoting this theory in the future, thanks.
/r/MensRights29/11/16 01:58 AM
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I would advise some caution and restraint in this situation. While your arguments seem reasonable to me, she is your teacher. Learn her arguments, learn the other side, and on occasion state your opinion if you will, but try not to be someone she can accuse of disrupting the class or monopolizing the discussion. Be the more reasonable party if it comes to that.
/r/MensRights29/11/16 01:14 AM
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In the Fallout universe quite a bit of that tech survives, though. Sure, it's restricted to certain factions, but it survives. To be honest, I don't really see how being killed with an assault rifle is so much better. Not trying to be a dick, just trying to understand. What about a war torn African country?
/r/MensRights26/11/16 12:10 PM
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So why not live in a modern-day warzone?
/r/MensRights26/11/16 12:54 AM
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Actually, men only gyms do exist. I used to live near Hawk's Gym. All customers must present themselves as male to enter the club. Their government issued ID must be present them as male... We are a private men’s only club. EDIT: Oops, sorry, didn't realize how old this thread was. Was browsing the "top" tab.
/r/MensRights22/11/16 07:26 PM
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Thank you. This is something that has definitely been a problem in the MRM. What people tend to lose sight of is that if your opponent is a hypocrite for believing in two contradictory positions, you may also be a hypocrite for believing in the inverse of both those positions. It's important to call out the hypocrisy of feminists, but not at the expense of holding a logically coherent position yourself.
/r/MensRights11/11/16 10:30 PM
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Drop me a line if you're ever in Las Vegas.
/r/MensRights03/09/16 01:59 AM
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From your link: The codes even mandate a minimum number of toilets and urinals per sex. Often, those formulas result in more facilities being made available for men than for women, despite famously long lines for ladies’ rooms.
/r/MensRights20/08/16 05:48 PM
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The first difference is everybody poops, and as a society we've decided that it is generally desirable for people to NOT do that in the streets, or in the middle of the hallway. ...which is why it makes sense to allocate bathroom capacity based on need rather than through an arbitrary 50/50 quota. Imagine if every time a family bought food for the adults, they were obligated to provide the exact same quantity for their three-year-old. Yes, the three-year-old needs food, but he doesn't need as mu…
/r/MensRights20/08/16 02:50 AM
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It's a tangent from our original discussion. I was just trying to illustrate the point that responding to supply and demand is not discrimination, whether you're talking about video games or bathrooms.
/r/MensRights19/08/16 08:23 PM
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https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/AAA_(video_game_industry) An example of the complaining: https://youtube.com/watch?v=UlnrV06-YDQ Note how the kid points out that the majority of the games women play are mobile games, which the host dismisses with "Games are games", ignoring that they're completely different markets.
/r/MensRights19/08/16 08:03 PM
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Well, isn't that like when feminists complain there aren't enough AAA video games targeted at girls? If the demand is not the same, then the supply doesn't need to be. But yeah, adding more unisex bathrooms would be a good solution.
/r/MensRights19/08/16 07:43 PM
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Well, honestly, it kind of makes sense for there to be more women's bathrooms from a purely practical load-balancing perspective. Women take longer. I've more than once seen a huge line for the women's while there was none for the men's. In addition, that college might have had more female students than male. Of course, if they're devoting significantly more resources to accommodating women, them it makes sense to pass on the cost at some point...
/r/MensRights19/08/16 07:34 PM
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We can't fix biology. We have a better chance of fixing culture and policy. Plus, when you balance out all the harm that men have done due to this competitive risk-taking tendency with all the good they've done due to the same, can you really call it bad?
/r/MensRights14/08/16 02:05 AM
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Yeah. From the article: “People think gender based violence is all about battering but the matter is big. The denial of the man as the head of the house and being forced to do menial jobs like cooking, laundry and baby-sitting among other domestic chores all constitute abuse,” he said. I hope that was taken out of context, because otherwise this comes off as pretty sexist.
/r/MensRights14/08/16 01:10 AM
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And you started the topic. Fine. I attribute it to biological factors that are magnified through the cultural institutions of male disposability. In nature, one male can have many mates. One female can have relatively few. This means that female sexuality is naturally more scarce, and that competition for mates is higher among males than it is among females. This creates an evolutionary need for males to be violent. This also means that women are intrinsically more precious to human society than…
/r/MensRights14/08/16 12:40 AM
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You wanted to talk about it. Let's talk about it. I want to hear your thoughts on the matter.
/r/MensRights14/08/16 12:30 AM
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To what do you attribute this?
/r/MensRights14/08/16 12:13 AM
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Can you give an example of this occurring? Just a few posts ago I quoted a bunch of thread titles that mentioned women, but were actually criticisms of the legal system or some other aspect of society. As for the "Tired of being economically sized up by women", some people understand this to be an issue of culture. Some people understand it to be a fact of nature. Neither group should be accusing individual women, and if any of them are, then I share your disagreement. I'm getting the impression…
/r/MensRights13/08/16 11:49 PM
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You realize men are being raped in prisons right here in America, right? Yes, I do. And I have seen many posts here decrying that fact, and society's apathy towards it. As a woman I acknowledge male on male violence, but you ignore it because it's inconvenient. Let me repeat: What's stopping you from starting the discussions you want to see? Find a recent article or study about the issue of prison rape and make a post about it.
/r/MensRights13/08/16 11:38 PM
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Okay, and with all the men in the world raping and killing each other why isn't there one thing on the front page about it? We discuss gender issues. I do not believe that the Central African Republic Civil War is best understood as a gender issue rather than an ethno-political issue. I am open to arguments otherwise. If women went out today and killed as many men as men have killed today, you would be livid, correct? Yes, but I would only discuss it here if I felt it could be best understood as…
/r/MensRights13/08/16 11:32 PM
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The Guardian wants to do away with juries at rape trials and assume automatic guilt on the part of the accused About the legal system. Depriving accused student athletes of due process is needed to keep women safe' About the disciplinary measures in the university system. Tory MP: family justice system favours women About the justice system. Tired of being economically sized up by women I'll give you this one. "Just because it’s a boy does not mean she should walk away from a crime" - a dad at 1…
/r/MensRights13/08/16 11:21 PM
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For the most part, we don't talk about men or women hurting men. We talk about the system hurting men. I certainly don't see any denial of the fact that men hurt men. One of the main criticisms of the "apex fallacy", for instance, is that men in positions of power don't really do anything to look out for the interests of normal men. What specific conversations do you have in mind? I would certainly be open to talking about, for example, bullying among men.
/r/MensRights13/08/16 11:06 PM
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I think what you were looking for was /r/askfeminists
/r/MensRights05/08/16 07:28 AM
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I loved the episode "It's Only a Paper Moon". One of the most relatable portrayals of depression I've seen, and in the context of combat PTSD, too.
/r/MensRights15/05/16 10:33 PM
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A lot of this reminds me of my family when I was growing up, though my mother wasn't physical and not nearly as bad at age 2. First of all, don't assume that just because he doesn't understand, it won't affect him. He may grow up thinking it's normal to scream at people for minor infractions, or hit them, and act that way around his friends. He may be extremely anxious about any imperfection, which will further isolate him from his peers. I wish I knew how to solve your problem, but there's some…
/r/MensRights14/05/16 12:08 AM
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Eh, it's not that I don't agree "rape culture" is hugely exaggerated, but one anecdote hardly destroys it. This could easily happen the other way, with a man having a better-than-expected experience and blaming the MRM for discouraging him.
/r/MensRights30/04/16 04:37 PM
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The mother might have killed, but the real culprit was her son. Um, reading the linked article, I'm wondering what their basis for making the assertion to the contrary is. The son beat him unconscious, the mother and son, believing him dead, dropped him off the balcony. I assume that India is like the UK and "first floor" means the floor above "ground floor". It doesn't say which act was the cause of death. While the mother was far from blameless, I don't see how truthinashell can overlook what …
/r/MensRights30/04/16 04:09 PM
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This is pretty old, isn't it? Have they still not budged on the issue?
/r/MensRights28/04/16 05:09 PM
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Although I feel that the majority of feminists are well-intentioned, I think feminism fails as a solution to gender issues mainly because it's based on a false narrative. Feminism seems to be based on some kind of Marx-inspired notion of class warfare. It states that men are the "privileged" class and women are "oppressed". I don't agree with Marx's analysis, but it's far more defensible when applied to economic classes than it is when applied to gender. Traditional society placed restrictions a…
/r/MensRights28/04/16 05:08 PM
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Yeah they are probably horny and want to explore their sexuality but I'm pretty sure most guys, while bummed, would definitely respect a no or visible signs of discomfort from the girl. And if they really don't know the difference between consent and non-consent, how is treating all of dating like rape helping them? For that matter, what's it saying to the girls?
/r/MensRights27/04/16 08:53 PM
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Thanks, I liked that comment and I was wondering if I should repost it for him.
/r/MensRights27/04/16 05:51 AM
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Reposting because I forgot about the np rule. Old thread What I'm referring to is the "dad physically threatens daughter's boyfriend trope". The sexism just completely revolts me all around. It's one of the rare instances society breaks the taboo against harming children, just because they're male and male sexuality is so toxic and dangerous, and girls and precious and need to be protected.
/r/MensRights27/04/16 05:30 AM
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My favorite is when they say "We call a young woman a 'girl', but we don't call a young man a 'boy'." First of all, until very recently young men were indeed called 'boys'. Look at any song from the World Wars or Civil War and you'll see tons of references to "the boys" in a military context. Second, no other language I know of repeats this pattern. Why wouldn't they, if they're all patriarchal?
/r/MensRights27/04/16 05:16 AM
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The "dad physically threatens daughter's boyfriend trope". The sexism just completely revolts me all around. It's one of the rare instances society breaks the taboo against harming children, just because they're male and male sexuality is so toxic and dangerous, and girls and precious and need to be protected.
/r/MensRights27/04/16 05:10 AM
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In my case at least, I have thought there may be something like that at play. I don't consider myself an un-empathetic person, but sometimes I feel like other people have an instinct to be especially protective of women and children, which seems to have skipped me. I would never advocate harm against either, just as I'd never advocate harm against adult men, but it always baffled me how so many people delight in one and are repulsed by the other. For instance, in the video game world the decisio…
/r/MensRights26/04/16 05:14 PM
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Paint.NET is the name of the program, not the url.
/r/MensRights20/04/16 01:55 PM
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It looks pretty good. I think two sources is enough, but the ones you chose aren't ideal. Try to find unbiased, credible academic sources. Link directly to the studies in question if you can. Definitely avoid using anything with a known ideological bent like A Voice For Men as a source. If you want to link them, say something like, "For more information visit..."
/r/MensRights19/04/16 11:52 PM
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Scarcity. In nature, one male can impregnate many females. That means that the supply of male sexuality tends to greatly exceed the demand. So it's like asking why gold is seen as precious while iron is seen as common and crude.
/r/MensRights19/04/16 05:17 PM
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After reading some of your post history, I feel I may have mis-characterized you. I apologize for that. This issue is obviously important to you. I can't imagine what you've gone through. I do know what it's like to have a medically unnecessary surgery forced on me at a conscious age, but nothing as major as a circumcision, which I had done on me as a baby.
/r/MensRights16/04/16 10:35 PM
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You want to believe the result of this study. You're projecting. I have no reason at all to want to believe it. What I want is to live in a world where scientists can run experiments without worrying about who they'll offend and report the results honestly without being attacked. If the study had concluded circumcision was harmful, it would have been conducted properly, because circumcision is factually harmful. This is precisely the attitude that scares me. "If it reaffirms my belief, it's a va…
/r/MensRights16/04/16 10:30 PM
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Is there a trolling contest going on somewhere?
/r/MensRights16/04/16 03:38 PM
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Would you be saying the same thing if the results of the study had supported the conclusion that circumcision is harmful? Have the authors of the study even made their position on circumcision clear?
/r/MensRights16/04/16 11:04 AM
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Australian or otherwise, Sawers added that men are basically redundant in his view. “I’ve certainly been aware for a long time that men have no purpose,” he said. “I have two kids and the feeling, for me, that at any particular point I could step away for a long time and it really wouldn’t have that much of an impact on the situation? My wife couldn’t do that. On some level, I think men feel it.” Umm... maybe that says more about your relationship with your family than the role of men in society…
/r/MensRights16/04/16 09:23 AM
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Yes, it's one of several ways my autonomy was not respected. I oppose it on that basis regardless of its effects. I have no emotional investment circumcision being beneficial, I just think it should be decided by science, not politics.
/r/MensRights16/04/16 06:38 AM
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/u/unkleman, /u/Lightf33t Is that a problem with the study itself, or with the way it was interpreted by the press? Either way, what is it we always say to feminists complaining about media? "Make your own." I would gladly contribute to a crowdfund for a better study. I just don't like the idea of science being decided by public pressure.
/r/MensRights16/04/16 06:35 AM
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I don't necessarily agree with /u/levelate, but don't pretend you're taking the high ground when you keep evading important questions. Why did you start out looking for a "reformed" MRA?
/r/MensRights16/04/16 06:25 AM
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I haven't read the study, but could you clarify exactly what you think was wrong with it? If there was a tangible problem with her methods or her interpretation of the evidence, that's one thing. But it sounds like you're attacking her for her findings, and I'm not sure I approve of that.
/r/MensRights15/04/16 09:28 PM
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Many of the issues we discuss are clear inequalities in the law that need to be fixed by changing those laws. When it comes to men feeling persecuted for sewing or baking or crying, I think it's fair to say that they could use the support of men and women. I would argue that a lot of people judge men by their ability to gain the approval of women.
/r/MensRights15/04/16 08:46 PM
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Yes, that's right. They are more intelligent and more complex, but not more evolved.
/r/MensRights15/04/16 08:11 PM
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Well, for the record, he does still care about issues facing men. He's devoted his life to that discipline, in fact. Perhaps, next time, you could devote more space in the article to that. What he's doing might be more interesting than whose flag he's doing it under. And I think the idea of men being the biggest policers of masculinity is an incredibly specific example. I don't consider the idea of women being the biggest policers of masculinity to be a defining belief of the MRM. I'm not sure i…
/r/MensRights15/04/16 08:03 PM
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What are you talking about? There's no ladder in evolution. Natural selection only concerns which genes survive and which go extinct. There is more than one ecological niche a species can occupy to pass on its genes. Predators are not intrinsically better at it than prey. If you're alive, you're no more or less evolved than any other living thing on the planet.
/r/MensRights15/04/16 07:54 PM
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Not really. I consider this stirring up controversy. Your actions seem designed to make this community feel attacked and draw up a defensive reaction. In that, you have succeeded. However, I feel like you could have done a lot more to add to the discussion. If, for instance, you had hammered out some specific disagreements the interviewee has with the MRM, that could have formed the basis of a discussion. If you had gone into the project with an open mind and wrote about differing perspectives o…
/r/MensRights15/04/16 07:50 PM
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You went around asking not for a man, but for a "reformed MRA". It's not very believable to claim you had no agenda when choosing to write this article. I just feel like your article might have had more value if you tried to create a dialogue rather than forcing a narrative.
/r/MensRights15/04/16 07:39 PM
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Who says that one's worth is dictated by evolution? By that logic, a queen ant might have far more worth than any human being.
/r/MensRights15/04/16 07:38 PM
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Hate to break it to you... but his worth as a man is directly related to his ability to pass on his genetic material. Says who?
/r/MensRights15/04/16 07:27 PM
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Is that really so much worse than having the purpose of reproduction? Pretty much nothing looks glorious when you're analyzing it from a detached, scientific perspective. Biology tells us how life works, it doesn't tell us the meaning of life.
/r/MensRights15/04/16 07:25 PM
8

May I ask what your goal for this article is? Are you trying to inform, persuade, draw controversy, or something else?
/r/MensRights15/04/16 07:22 PM
5

The implication of your statement is that his worth as a human being is somehow related to his sex appeal to a woman.
/r/MensRights15/04/16 07:15 PM
18

More or less.
/r/MensRights15/04/16 07:12 PM
6

But these feminist texts not only validated the crisis of masculinity, they pointed out men are the biggest policers of masculinity. Men beat each other down for being “girly,” for liking sewing or baking, for crying. For being “faggots.” “You gotta man up.” “You can’t be a pussy, right?” ... At one point, I made the argument that metrosexualism was oppressive to men, that it was an attempt to feminize us because we were too hairy; because we weren’t good enough as we were. One of my female peer…
/r/MensRights15/04/16 07:10 PM
5

Because the alternative would be admitting that "Nice Guys" get upset when they're rejected because they're human.
/r/MensRights11/04/16 12:31 AM
8

I do respect them for one thing. They make an effort of keep conversations constructive, and things seem a little more positive. This sub, on the other hand, has a LOT of people complaining about problems without offering solutions. But if it comes at the cost of stifling the free expression of its members, it's not worth it to me. We shouldn't have to pretend feminism is a force for good if we don't agree with its premises and have had bad experiences with it. They've outlawed discussion on "fi…
/r/MensRights10/04/16 11:40 AM
5

That's a messed up situation. I hope it works out. But you really should be talking to a lawyer. I'm not one, but I think they usually advise clients not to talk about these kinds of things. Definitely get one before you talk to the detective.
/r/MensRights10/04/16 02:18 AM
1

That's a pretty broad topic. Is it too late to narrow it down some? Are you focusing specifically on feminism, or more general sexism against men?
/r/MensRights10/04/16 02:16 AM
7

Kind of strange that the impression in popular culture is the opposite. Someone talked about what a great progressive show Parks and Rec was, but when I watched it I noticed two instances of physical retaliation against men who insulted women, and one verbal retaliation against a woman who beat up a man. All of which were treated as justified. But I'm not sure I agree with your premise. Women being weaker than men is used to excuse the double standard of violence against men, and we should be fi…
/r/MensRights10/04/16 12:51 AM
3

What's this a picture of?
/r/MensRights09/04/16 10:56 PM
1

That's a very good point. I would hesitate to use "macho" as a negative term, but no question that many of them are bullies. But, I would imagine the bullies get more respect than the other kind, though.
/r/MensRights30/12/15 02:40 PM
1

Right, that's why I'd focus on humanizing them rather than challenging the behavior directly. You know, it just occurred to me that trying to get feminists to respect them more would come across pretty hypocritical when they get so much hate and mockery from MRAs...
/r/MensRights30/12/15 06:02 AM
1

Hm, what if we did some kind of spotlight column featuring a different male feminist every week/month/whatever? =P Give them a chance to tell their story and share their opinions. But yeah, I hear you about the double standard.
/r/MensRights30/12/15 04:51 AM
-3

Not saying the advice you're getting here is bad, but if you want a more rounded perspective, it might be a good idea to x-post to /r/relationships.
/r/MensRights30/12/15 03:47 AM
0

I like this idea, but it's really hard to think of anything that wouldn't just end up offending them more. They could really use some respect, and a sympathetic ear for their troubles and frustrations with women and the feminist community, but they probably wouldn't accept either of those things from us. I continue to believe that ceding the high ground as much as we have has been a mistake. We've burned a lot of bridges, sadly.
/r/MensRights30/12/15 03:41 AM
5

Here's a modest proposal I've had in my mind about the financial abortion debate. If we accept that consent to sex (or in some cases non-consent) is consent to raise a child, but that abortion is necessary due to bodily autonomy, why not make it so that abortion does not remove responsibility to raise a child? Any time a woman has an abortion, the father can choose to make her financially responsible for a child he adopts, or one of his existing children if he has any. The cost of the abortion i…
/r/MensRights29/12/15 01:50 PM
2

That's basically what they did with Bully. I don't remember if anyone complained about that.
/r/MensRights16/12/15 11:52 AM
4

Mostly the latter, particularly her typical idiot manchild father.
/r/MensRights15/12/15 04:16 PM
7

Maybe in Fallout 4. Fallout 3 had nowhere near an even number. Almost all the "bad guy" factions were all male or male-like, except for raiders, who were maybe 3/4 male. Actually, I think if you really compared the ratio of male to female NPCs you were expected to kill in Fallout 4 you'd find a disbalance. The others ones weren't made by Bethesda, so I'm not counting them, and I never really got into the Elder Scrolls series.
/r/MensRights15/12/15 04:10 PM
1

Sounds to me like the stability of the society is the center in that case. Women benefit from this, sure, as do men, but the protection of women is only occasionally emphasized in the narrative. Actually... you may have a point. I was about to hold up some classic hero narratives as a counter-example, but come to think of it both the heroes of The Iliad and The Odyssey are motivated by women. I don't think there's anything like that in The Epic of Gilgamesh though, but granted I've only read hig…
/r/MensRights29/09/15 07:59 PM
2

Well, you've got me there. So far, I have not heard of any terms equivalent to "benevolent sexism" or "internalized misogyny" to explain away apparent contradictions. At the moment, apparent contradictions are mostly ignored or attributed to factors outside of gynocentrism. I suppose the closest example would be the discussion of female infanticide in that thread, which seemed to be attributed to factors outside of gynocentrism rather than some part of gynocentrism.
/r/MensRights29/09/15 07:18 PM
2

Hm, that is a good point. But to me "-centrism" suggests the subject is the focus of attention, not simply the mediocre position. I would say that relationship to women is one of many factors by which the status of a man is judged. Many of the founders of major world religions were said to be celibate (though the ones that weren't tended to be the opposite). When we consider male "heroes" in fiction, a female love interest or mother figure usually plays a part, but is generally not "central" to …
/r/MensRights29/09/15 07:11 PM
1

What do you mean by mutually exclusive ideas?
/r/MensRights29/09/15 05:36 PM
-1

Exactly, it's one thing to call out double standards when you see them, but take it too far and you're just holding the same double standard in reverse.
/r/MensRights29/09/15 05:18 PM
2

This is the most recent place I've seen gynocentrism presented as an overarching social theory, like patriarchy: Here.
/r/MensRights29/09/15 03:05 PM
-2

Sure, but we need a solid foundation for it to be worth developing. At the moment, is it really anything more than "patriarchy, only backwards"? I'm asking.
/r/MensRights29/09/15 01:14 PM
0

Some developments are more promising than others, though. If you are aware of any essays or anything attempting to seriously develop gynocentrism as a theory, I would be interested to see.
/r/MensRights29/09/15 12:51 PM
2

Hm, that's a good point. Never thought of that analogy with STD. Will have to remember that one.
/r/MensRights29/09/15 12:23 PM
-1

I don't know if I would consider that problem solved. Is gynocentrism really a developed theory? I see it as more of an attempt to flip the script on patriarchy.
/r/MensRights29/09/15 11:59 AM
2

I definitely wouldn't use it to shut down discussions, the way I've seen feminists use their theories. One bit of supporting evidence I might be able to dig up is a cross-cultural study of hunter-gatherer cultures, examining the different foods men and women foraged. It concluded that men typically target higher-risk foods, both in terms of risk of failure and risk of injury, which tended to be the most valuable foods.
/r/MensRights29/09/15 11:48 AM
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I agree. I'm not entirely sure the MRM needs a unified social theory to rally around, but if it does, then rather than gynocentrism, I would prefer to call it male disposability. I think it would be pretty difficult to make the case that society is centered around women. I see that hierarchy as more: successful men > women > unsuccessful men But I don't really see any solution. A lot of people are going to be tempted to lazily reflect feminist's rhetoric back at them. Sometimes it starts as sati…
/r/MensRights29/09/15 11:31 AM
1

Ok... but it's true that askfeminists is plenty ban-happy. Why shouldn't people know that before making a decision about whether or not they want to post there?
/r/MensRights27/09/15 06:47 AM
1

And my predicting that they probably wouldn't let him advertise there dissuades mras from posting there... how? If you disagree they wouldn't let him, say so. If you just want to remind people that it's a great place to debate, do so. No reason to get on my case and pretend I was saying something I wasn't.
/r/MensRights27/09/15 06:30 AM
1

And you don't want him to post there, so why does it matter? I occasionally post in /r/askfeminists myself, so I'm not saying no one should ever go there. Just that they probably wouldn't let him advertise there.
/r/MensRights27/09/15 06:23 AM
1

Again, I never wanted it posted in /r/feminism, you don't want it posted in /r/askfeminists, so what the heck do you want from me?
/r/MensRights27/09/15 06:17 AM
1

What do you actually want from me? You got on my case because I gave a reason not to post the ad in /r/askfeminists, now it turns out you don't want it posted there anyway?
/r/MensRights27/09/15 05:59 AM
1

If you don't want that sub advertised in /r/askfeminists, what are you complaining about?
/r/MensRights27/09/15 05:43 AM
1

I never said that sub should be advertised in /r/feminism, and if you think it's such a good idea to do it in /r/askfeminists, go right ahead.
/r/MensRights27/09/15 05:27 AM
1

It's not an objection, it's a relevant statement.
/r/MensRights27/09/15 04:50 AM
1

Yeah, I never said that.
/r/MensRights27/09/15 03:26 AM
1

I doubt they'd let him advertise there, either.
/r/MensRights27/09/15 03:04 AM
1

Looks like they already did.
/r/MensRights27/09/15 02:56 AM
1

Do it sneakily. Pretend to be an SRSer and submit content from the sub for mockery. =P
/r/MensRights27/09/15 02:48 AM
1

Well, good luck. I've subscribed, and I'll participate if this takes off. You may want to consider advertising to more hostile subs like AMR or SRS.
/r/MensRights27/09/15 02:37 AM
2

What will be the difference between this and /r/femradebates?
/r/MensRights27/09/15 02:20 AM
1

Maybe you didn't buy the first cell phone ever made, but I assume if you lived in the 50s, you would at least have a regular telephone and/or radio? Something that fulfills similar needs before the advanced version exists? If you buy a realdoll or dakimakura, then unlike an early cell phone, I can assure you the batteries won't run out and you can use it anywhere. Read the front page of men's rights, how many of the topics there are about feminism, women, sex, faulty laws against men (that femin…
/r/MensRights22/09/15 03:47 AM
1

I think agreeing to disagree is about all we can do. We disagree fundamentally not only about the what the solution is, but also about what the problem is. I agree that humans respond to stimuli, but some stimuli are more difficult to replicate than others. No matter how convincingly social validation is faked, the mere knowledge it's being faked is enough to ruin it. Observe online erotic roleplaying communities such as /r/dirtypenpals. As in real life, there's an asymmetry, with female players…
/r/MensRights20/09/15 11:55 PM
1

Alright, good discussion. What it comes down to is that I reject the premise that these social dynamics you speak of are driven by a purely physical desire for sex. Therefore, I don't see a device that can fulfill only the physical desire as any kind of solution, and I consider anything that can do much more than that a bit too pie-in-the-sky to worry about.
/r/MensRights20/09/15 03:15 PM
1

Huh, so you're saying that if the technology gets better it will become more socially acceptable? I guess I could see that. After all the internet stopped being considered nerdy once it developed to the point where a wider audience could see the appeal in it.
/r/MensRights20/09/15 06:09 AM
1

First, let's deal with the 1,000 pound gorilla in the room: misogyny. Ok, let's. Throughout this thread, three things seem to come up: A desire to cease associating with women. An unspoken premise that women bring nothing to a relationship but sex. A desire to devalue, as you call it, "female sexual strategy". Now, please understand I respect the right of anyone to refuse to associate with anyone, and I expect everyone to pursue their own self interest. I can completely understand why one would …
/r/MensRights20/09/15 05:32 AM
1

I'm not denying that if the technology exists, it will eventually be applied to sexual purposes. What I don't understand is how this is supposed to save the world. Let's start over. Tell me in your own words why sex bots are a Men's Rights issue.
/r/MensRights19/09/15 10:41 PM
1

RealDolls are neither socially accepted, as you yourself pointed out, nor do they provide "sexual acceptance". I don't see how anything but a human being or other sapient life form could provide the latter.
/r/MensRights19/09/15 10:38 PM
1

You are saying what I'm trying to convey through this entire thread. Why do you think that sex bots would be able to provide sexual acceptance, or be more socially acceptable than a RealDoll? Unless what you're picturing is a fully sapient artificial human, in which I don't even know where to start with the technical, practical, and ethical problems with that.
/r/MensRights19/09/15 09:36 PM
1

Ok, but how is that a Men's Rights issue? Are men being oppressed by the prostitution industry?
/r/MensRights19/09/15 09:33 PM
1

So to be clear, you're basically talking about artificial sapience? I'm sure that's true. But you're thinking of the most mundane use for a technology that would fundamentally change our perception of the universe and our place in it forever. It's like saying "I hope we make contact with extraterrestrial life, so that I can find someone to play Scrabble with." You don't need to make contact with aliens to find a Scrabble partner, and if you did make contact, there are far better reasons to be ex…
/r/MensRights19/09/15 09:32 PM
1

Alright, I'll come out and say it. I'm a virgin. I don't know what sex with a woman feels like. I do know that to the extent that sex is a physical need, masturbation fulfills it adequately. If sex with women really is so awesome, where does the resentment shown in this thread come from? How can you object to women charging what the product is worth? And it is apparently worth that if you're willing to pay the price instead of pursuing any of the alternatives. I'm picturing a diner coming out of…
/r/MensRights19/09/15 08:01 AM
1

Wait, you're describing software that can intelligently carry on a human conversation? Um, isn't that a much bigger deal with wider applications than masturbation? Why is the focus on sex bots?
/r/MensRights19/09/15 04:08 AM
1

Well, you've come closer than anyone to defining a sex bot on a technical basis, so thanks for that, but I still don't understand the big deal.
/r/MensRights19/09/15 03:43 AM
1

Really, you think that's a worse reason than "the physical sensation of sex is slightly better"?
/r/MensRights19/09/15 03:21 AM
0

You know, I'm actually seeing a very sexist view of men in this thread. Do people think we're physically incapable of foregoing sex if we think the price is too high?
/r/MensRights19/09/15 12:40 AM
1

What specifically are you predicting these bots will do? I won't deny that sex toys will get better in the future, but in the end they'll still be sex toys. I don't foresee any technology in the near future that would prevent a lifestyle where you replace human companionship with toys from having more-or-less the same advantages and disadvantages as it does today.
/r/MensRights19/09/15 12:39 AM
1

I'm not denying that masturbation aids will get better in the future. What I'm confused about is why people think it will lead to any sort of social change. Forgoing relationships in favor of masturbation is an option today. I don't see how better toys are going to make it a more viable option than it is.
/r/MensRights19/09/15 12:35 AM
0

That whole article seems to be built off the premise that sexual release is the only reason that men have relationships with women. Sexual release is not that difficult to find. Masturbation exists. Prostitution exists. Heck, homosexuality exists. Men who want to avoid romantic relations with women already have other options. If being around women causes you so much pain, yet you can't resist it for sexual reasons, you need to learn some self control. Even if you think women have literally nothi…
/r/MensRights19/09/15 12:32 AM
1

So... basically a realdoll?
/r/MensRights18/09/15 10:49 PM
2

What innovation specifically are we talking about? Material, AI, etc? I can't imagine anything currently in development would be more than an incremental improvement.
/r/MensRights18/09/15 10:46 PM
2

What "sexual power" could they take that existing sex toys can't?
/r/MensRights18/09/15 10:40 PM
1

Could you be a little more specific as to what you're looking for and/or what you're trying to avoid? Most of the less-feminist countries are traditional cultures with traditional expectations of men. If that's what you're looking for, much of East Asia qualifies. If you're looking for a place without these traditional expectations, you may have a harder time.
/r/MensRights06/07/15 04:08 PM
2

Approximately how much did you spend throughout the process? I can't imagine hiring a surrogate is cheap.
/r/MensRights25/06/15 12:31 AM
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It's not. It's false. We wrote about the subreddit Mens Rights, but we did not list it as a hate group . . . "In almost all cases, we list hate groups at the end of each calendar year when we publish lists. I very much doubt we would ever list the Reddit [r/MensRights] in question—it's a diverse group, which certainly does include some misogynists—but I don't think that's [its basic] purpose."
/r/MensRights11/06/15 06:17 AM
0

I'm starting to wonder if I'm the only one here who doesn't identify as a liberal.
/r/MensRights10/06/15 04:54 AM
3

Hm, kind of makes me think we should be reaching out to activists there, maybe getting a male perspective on the gender issues, and seeing what support we can lend. Anyone in this sub from the Middle East? Or know someone who is?
/r/MensRights09/06/15 07:52 AM
14

In certain sociological contexts, racism and sexism are used to refer only to pervasive, institutional prejudice. Or as some people put it "racism = prejudice + power". Idiots like to pretend that this obscure academic definition is the only one that exists, despite the dictionary and popular usage disagreeing.
/r/MensRights09/06/15 02:09 AM
1

For the record, from what I understand, JWs don't believe in Hell. It's simple non-existence after death for the unsaved. ...and clearly they're able to maintain a high level of control over their congregations without the threat of eternal torment, so that supports your point.
/r/MensRights06/06/15 08:08 PM
1

Yeah. What I meant was I don't think what he said about adult powerpuff girls is true.
/r/MensRights06/06/15 06:58 AM
1

Pretty sure he's trolling...
/r/MensRights06/06/15 06:52 AM
1

Do a subreddit search for "oppression". There are multiple people who imply that. They may not be using the word in the same sense you are, to be fair, but they're using the word.
/r/MensRights25/05/15 02:02 PM
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Nobody here is claiming that the male population is 'oppressed'. and nobody here believes that the female population is oppressed either. "Nobody" may be too strong a word. Since this sub doesn't censor any viewpoint, there are a wide variety of opinions being expressed here. Sorry, it's just a pet peeve of mine. I hate it when people say "We think..." or "Nobody is saying that..." to me when it's not justified.
/r/MensRights25/05/15 01:42 PM
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First of all, I want to appreciate you coming here to seek a different perspective. That being said, I'm not sure if I understand your question. If I understand your post correctly, you have already been shown examples of the numerous ways males are disadvantaged in society, but you don't consider it oppression or the result of oppression. In that case, could you please provide a definition of the word "oppression" as you are using it?
/r/MensRights25/05/15 01:14 PM
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Yes. It is not a totalitarian movement. There are plenty of leftist MRAs; I'm not so sure they aren't the majority.
/r/MensRights25/05/15 04:31 AM
1

Well, I would definitely categorize Star Wars as part of the romanticist tradition, not the realist tradition. But what did you mean when you said the characters seemed like they were from some politically correct planet?
/r/MensRights02/05/15 11:15 PM
1

Thanks for the insight. It's the exact opposite of Star Trek and Star Wars where somehow the people seem like they are a different species from some politically correct planet. I understand what you mean when you say that about Star Trek, but what problems do you see with the way people are portrayed in Star Wars?
/r/MensRights02/05/15 11:03 PM
0

You realize that the whole point of a forum is to have a discussion, right? And your post didn't even address the topic of the thread.
/r/MensRights02/05/15 10:38 PM
2

Could you please expand on that?
/r/MensRights02/05/15 10:08 PM
2

Mooning someone is not a symbol for dressing appealingly. Mooning someone is a disrespectful act, intended to be the opposite of appealing. Before I read your explanation, I was assuming you were trying to say feminists were hypocritical for getting angry when they're the ones who acted rudely. But then the third panel made no sense.
/r/MensRights02/05/15 09:55 PM
2

Would you mind expanding on that? Explaining what you felt they did right and what can be learned from them?
/r/MensRights02/05/15 09:52 PM
3

I guess my contribution would be the newest Littlest Pet Shop series. While explicitly a girl's show, it's refreshingly free of misandry. Blythe, the teenage protagonist, is raised by a single father. Jokes centered on him tend to focus on him being a bit hyper and over-enthusiastic. Unlike most tv fathers, he's not incompetent, regressive, or bumbling, and doesn't get hurt for no reason. Although Blythe is sometimes embarrassed by him, she clearly loves and respects him, to the point where in o…
/r/MensRights02/05/15 09:51 PM
2

How the heck is mooning someone of the same sex anything like dressing in a way that's appealing to the opposite sex? I think /u/Mhrby has the right idea.
/r/MensRights02/05/15 08:01 PM
1

I'm not ignoring anything. As I said, I agree with you. But not suffering consequences for hurting males is a subset of not suffering consequences for anything.
/r/MensRights02/05/15 07:38 PM
1

I agree. In fact, I wonder if that's a major reason why we don't see better representation of women in media. You can't have a compelling comedy heroine if you refuse to give her any amusing flaws, or a compelling action heroine if you refuse to put her in any danger. It's especially bad in children's media.
/r/MensRights02/05/15 06:13 PM
2

What happened after?
/r/MensRights24/04/15 02:59 AM
1

Having watched it, I wavered back in forth between thinking he was making some interesting points, and thinking that he was reading too deeply and using too much hyperbole. That is a really good point about the crow, though.
/r/MensRights24/04/15 02:17 AM
1

(Posting before watching.) I saw that movie recently, and what struck me is that if anything this was less progressive than the original. Let's compare all the female characters side-by-side: The three fairies: strong, brave, and heroic in the original. Arguably the protagonists. Reduced to bumbling comic relief in Maleficent. Maleficent herself. She may have been evil, but at least she was her own person with agency. The Maleficent movie made it so she was only evil because a man made her that …
/r/MensRights24/04/15 01:27 AM
1

How did you draw that conclusion from the responses in this thread?
/r/MensRights14/04/15 05:41 PM
1

There are very few generalizations you can make about all human cultures across time and space, but something that comes close is this: the work that involves the highest risk, both of failure and of injury, is done by men. In most societies, being a man is a high-stakes game. If you're a successful man you get all the respect, status, power and all the other things considered "male privilege". If you fail, you get none of that, nor do you get the support and protection women tend to get just fo…
/r/MensRights14/04/15 05:01 PM
2

That's too bad. I don't really have the legal expertise to advise you, so all I can do is suggest you talk to a lawyer. I really hope things work out for your son. Although I'm only hearing your side, it is very frustrating that many parents are so dismissive of what their children want, even when those children are nearly adults and would have been considered as such through most of history. I would also suggest that if you think this is something that will end up in court, make sure your son i…
/r/MensRights13/04/15 09:21 PM
2

How does his mother feel about this?
/r/MensRights13/04/15 03:17 PM
0

I know it was.
/r/MensRights20/03/15 11:27 PM
9

The idea that men are only motivated by sex is a harmful stereotype and the motivation for many examples of discrimination against men. The last thing we want to do is encourage it. Male feminists are still men. We can criticize their opinions and behaviors without resorting to reciprocal sexism.
/r/MensRights19/03/15 10:54 PM
1

Agreed, but the danger there is that when you oppose them both ways, you're being just as hypocritical as they are. Instead of saying "If they want X, we should have X", I wish more people would commit to either "They should have X and we should have X" or "They shouldn't have X and we shouldn't have X."
/r/MensRights18/03/15 07:13 PM
3

I suppose one place to look would be media. Could discuss the problematic tropes, highlight positive portrayals, and so on.
/r/MensRights25/01/15 05:41 AM
5

We aren't like feminists, we don't go around co-opting other people's causes, gay men know what problems they face better than we do and i'm pretty sure they have their own ideas on how to fix them. Huh. That is a really good point. I was thinking that this was one of the few valid criticisms of the MRM, but when you look at it that way...
/r/MensRights24/01/15 08:14 PM
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