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DebateImperburbable/r/PurplePillDebate18/11/24 08:09 PM
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Um, what?
/r/PurplePillDebate09/02/25 04:41 PM
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Ah yes, Valentine’s Day and romance novels, the two places to go to get an accurate grasp on… what women want from their day-to-day real life?? The “benevolent sexist” in a movie will never actually order you around. He will never just sit on the couch while he watches you do all the dishes or all the parenting. He’s a fantasy. In reality, women want something else.
/r/PurplePillDebate09/02/25 02:54 PM
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not allowed to have their own bank accounts or credit cards not allowed to attend college or pursue lucrative careers not allowed access to contraceptives to prevent pregnancy = forced to get married for economic survival. And then, once married, marital rape was legal, and divorce was difficult. So yes. Effectively, sex slavery was our cultural norm until the 1960s. If you don’t get that, you don’t understand one particle of how men and women have related to each other in the past and why women…
/r/PurplePillDebate06/02/25 03:55 PM
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Um, no. As I said later in my post, it isn’t a need. So I don’t have to lie. I was explaining why I hate even hearing historionic/hysterical claims that it’s a “need.” But your very quick jump to the idea that all women are liars also nicely reinforces the connection between people who think sex is “a need” and people who somehow think women are bad/wrong/liars/the enemy so thanks for that.
/r/PurplePillDebate06/02/25 03:33 PM
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The problem is that other peoples needs seem to always end in compulsory action for women. A fetus needs a placenta - so ban a woman’s rights to control her own body. A child needs a caregiver - so women’s careers suffer and men’s don’t. Men need sex - so up until the 1960s women WERE condemned to sexual slavery and barred from economic opportunities. So you’ll have to forgive me if any talk of men’s “needs” makes me very wary and twitchy if it doesn’t start with the acknowledgment that men’s ne…
/r/PurplePillDebate06/02/25 06:26 AM
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hahahah no it's not. Okay, new scenario: In one of them, a burly woman with a gun comes over to r*pe you in the ass with a dildo. In the other one, a sexy woman asks you to buy her dinner, and you have the option to say no. Which one do you pick? The answer is obvious. Because you do, in fact, understand the difference between violence and non-violence, consent and no consent.
/r/PurplePillDebate30/01/25 07:17 PM
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Nope, it's not actually.
/r/PurplePillDebate30/01/25 07:15 PM
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"Procreation is not supposed to be that difficult??" lolol ask a mother how hard raising a kid is
/r/PurplePillDebate30/01/25 06:48 PM
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hahaha um according to you. According to me, a woman, my nature is to sometimes get really pissed off at men and feel like shooting them. Dude, your logic is completely circular and it's making you willfully blind. PHYSICALLY HURTING PEOPLE IS BAD. BEING EMOTIONALLY CRUEL TO PEOPLE IS BAD. ACCEPTING GIFTS OR KINDNESS FROM PEOPLE THAT THEY WANT TO GIVE YOU IS LESS BAD BECAUSE THEY WANT TO DO DO IT. If that doesn't make sense to you, just imagine two scenarios for a second: In one of them, a burly…
/r/PurplePillDebate30/01/25 06:43 PM
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Someone isn't "harming" you just because they don't give you what you want. My neighbor has a million dollars. She hasn't given it to me yet. Oh no! The harm! The harm! She's the worst! She's so immoral!!
/r/PurplePillDebate30/01/25 06:24 PM
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I mean... women shouldn't buy a gun and go shoot a bunch of men. Yes, the same standard applies to women.
/r/PurplePillDebate30/01/25 05:54 PM
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I literally gave an example in my first response about how women should be moral with their advantages. They should not violate consent or physical autonomy. Same standard, both sides.
/r/PurplePillDebate30/01/25 05:12 PM
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Okay, so, tomorrow night, would you rather go without sex (oh no! big harm!!) or get r*ped in the ass by a horny man? After all, "harm is harm," right?
/r/PurplePillDebate30/01/25 05:03 PM
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It is deeply alarming that you do not understand the difference between harming another person and not giving another person everything they want. If I have $100, and I don't give it to a beggar, is that the same thing as punching someone else in the face and taking $100? You are claiming those are the same thing.
/r/PurplePillDebate30/01/25 04:54 PM
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It is deeply alarming that you do not understand the difference between harming another person and not giving another person everything they want. If I have $100, and I don't give it to a beggar, is that the same thing as punching someone else in the face and taking $100? You are claiming those are the same thing.
/r/PurplePillDebate30/01/25 04:54 PM
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No... you take advantage of your natural advantages up until you are forcing someone to do something they don't want to do and violating their legal and physical rights. I'm attractive. If a man wants to have a drink with me, and I want to have a drink with him - we can do that! If he offers to pay, and I want to accept - we can do that! That's two adults each making their own decision. If I decide to slip a roofie in his drink and steal his waller - that is not good! He did not agree to that! M…
/r/PurplePillDebate30/01/25 04:31 PM
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When you date someone who desires you that is consensual. When a country takes away your rights that is not consensual. Glad I could clear that up for you.
/r/PurplePillDebate30/01/25 04:23 PM
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I love the consequences of my actions. How are your actions and attitudes working out for you?
/r/PurplePillDebate26/01/25 10:26 PM
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I don’t blame men if they decide they don’t want to get married. Although, given the statistics on how good marriage is for men’s health, happiness, and net worth, I think that’s a foolish decision. I think the most rational thing for men to do is to think about how to be one of the men who doesnt end up getting divorced, and I’m giving advice for that. Marry a kind and trustworthy woman, yes. That’s critical. But then - be worthy of her. Don’t be a deadbeat, a meanie, or a drag on the household…
/r/PurplePillDebate26/01/25 06:03 PM
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I literally just said that I don’t think that. If you can’t read my responses, I’m not going to bother writing more of them.
/r/PurplePillDebate26/01/25 05:37 PM
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Hmm, let’s see… in the last five years: Taylor Swift did her Lover album… Beyoncé did Bodyguard, Sabrina Carpenter did Bed Chem, etc etc. But by all means, keep thinking of women largely in terms of access to pussy, rather than as just normal human beings who want to connect with other human beings. That’s so lovely.
/r/PurplePillDebate26/01/25 04:06 PM
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No, I’m sure women cause plenty of divorces. I just don’t think you can point to the fact that women initiate divorce more and say that it means women CAUSE divorce more - that’s a logical skip people on this sub love to make.
/r/PurplePillDebate26/01/25 03:51 PM
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I never said women were different - I said men complained about / stereotyped them in different ways. I’m pretty sure people have always just been people - and personally I think men and women have about the same spread of individual behaviors, other than things we can substantiate with clear statistics. Which is… almost nothing anyone says about gender on this sub.
/r/PurplePillDebate26/01/25 03:49 PM
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Incorrect. Women working outside the home for wages separate than her husband's income was relatively rare - though not that rare: around 20% in the 19th century. Women working INSIDE the home for economic output (not just homemaking - economic output) that went directly into the family finances was close to 100%. If a woman grew up on a farm, she milked cows. If a woman lived near a town, she took in knitting and made candles and baked bread to sell at the market. Women have always had to work.…
/r/PurplePillDebate26/01/25 04:05 AM
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When did I ever say women are wonderful??
/r/PurplePillDebate26/01/25 03:59 AM
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I'm not saying it's morally justified - obviously they should just break up. I'm just saying, my original thesis was, “be a trustworthy and fun / kind / stable person to raise kids with and women will like you..." and I'm pointing out that nothing he's staying points to him having experience with dating as a fun / kind / trustworthy person.
/r/PurplePillDebate26/01/25 03:09 AM
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Of course they were. They were ALSO portrayed as clingy and trying to trap men into relationships. Men have long been able to simultaneously think of women as whores and as balls and chains, it's an ancient cultural tradition
/r/PurplePillDebate26/01/25 02:11 AM
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"most women are ruled by their emotional impulse" - wow you sound like a fun, not-at-all-condescenging guy to be around "You’re a kept-woman" - no I'm not, and neither are the majority of women, 47% of US workers are women "Women do 3 loads of laundry a week and sweep a few floors, totaling maybe 30-minutes of actual labor" - it sounds like you've never actual cleaned a house before? or cooked? Or taken care of children? Cuz its... a lot more work than that. It's a full time job. On top of the f…
/r/PurplePillDebate25/01/25 11:03 PM
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Hear me out... I'm happily married. All the women I know who married a kind, stable man are happily married. All the women I know who have initiated divorces married men who were addicts, adulterers, abusers, abandoners, or deadbeats. Men have higher rates of being physically abusive, higher rates of infidelity, lower rates of doing childcare, lower rates of doing housework. So yeah, it makes sense that more women initiate divorce, and it has nothing to do with "The Paradox of Choice." It has to…
/r/PurplePillDebate25/01/25 10:16 PM
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I dunno, I think “be a trustworthy and fun / kind / stable person to raise kids with” has gone over gangbusters for the last two thousand years…
/r/PurplePillDebate25/01/25 09:15 PM
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I appreciate your explaining that. And I do have empathy. Now is an extra terrible time for dating. I would say, do what the 19th century women did. A lot of them found meaning and joy outside of romantic relationships, by loving their vocation, hobby, or community. Being single does not have to mean being despairing or self hating.
/r/PurplePillDebate25/01/25 06:00 PM
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You think no one mocked women in the 19th century? They were relentlessly belittled and talk down to, by heads of government and their own husbands. In the 19th century women were not legally allowed to attend higher education, enter lucrative professions, or have their own bank accounts. No one has done that to men. But I do so love being described as “pussy and affection,” thanks for that. In that order, too!
/r/PurplePillDebate25/01/25 05:48 PM
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Probably a mostly fair correction, but it seems like there are enough of those men to broadly dictate popular culture, government, and women’s rights :(
/r/PurplePillDebate25/01/25 03:53 PM
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All this red pill stuff is so hilarious because I grew up in the 90s when all of pop culture was like “women are sooooo clingy and obsessed with getting married and always trying to force men into committed relationships, yuck.” Seems like whatever women do, men never like it.
/r/PurplePillDebate25/01/25 03:36 PM
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lol. Written like a boy who’s never been near a hole in his life.
/r/PurplePillDebate22/01/25 11:53 PM
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"Men been asked to sacrifice their bodies and lives to protect their rights and freedoms for centuries." The rate of death in childbirth was much higher than the rate of death in battle until the late 19th century. WOMEN have been asked to sacrifice their bodies and their lives for the public good since time immemorial. And the only reward has been to have to sacrifice their bodies and their lives again. Like you're asking us to do now.
/r/PurplePillDebate15/01/25 04:17 PM
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How is that detached from economic utility? The percentage of the population employed in agriculture has also decreased in a pretty linear fashion. Also, we’re not looking to get back to 8 births per woman, we’re looking to get back to 3. So 1800s data isn’t super relevant
/r/PurplePillDebate10/01/25 12:40 PM
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It’s possible that it’s a cultural shift and people just don’t want to anymore. It’s also possible that it’s an economic shift - it used to benefit the family finances to have more children (farm work, factory work, etc). Now it costs the family to have more kids. If we could figure out some way that having kids is not a net economic negative, that might do it.
/r/PurplePillDebate10/01/25 12:59 AM
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“The discourse” is never a good guide to what real humans actually say in real life.
/r/PurplePillDebate19/12/24 06:03 PM
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Chris Evans and Chris Hemsworth are in the shape they’re in because they spent a decade playing superheroes: ludicrously jacked characters meant to appeal to - get this - boys and men. Women found Chris Evan’s attractive back when he was in Not Another Teen Movie and he had the normal body of a human being who stays in shape. Also - Chris Evans and Chris Hemsworth are preternaturally charming, so that isn’t really necessarily an attraction to their current level of muscles. Other celebrities wom…
/r/PurplePillDebate19/12/24 06:02 PM
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“On-teet-tleh-mont”: for when regular entitlement just isn’t entitled enough.
/r/PurplePillDebate17/12/24 07:32 PM
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Or maybe you have no idea what it’s like to date as a “respectful” or desirable man because you think of women as heifers and can’t even spell heifers.
/r/PurplePillDebate17/12/24 02:45 PM
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To what end, banning women from having their own bank accounts or property outside or marriage? To what end, banning them from most universities or professions? To what end, preaching from the pulpit that God expects them to subjugate themselves to their husband’s will? To what end, stigmatizing divorce and banning information on birth control? There was a concerted, systematic, omnipresent effort to give women no options but marriage and motherhood. If you do not know that, you truly know liter…
/r/PurplePillDebate12/12/24 02:01 PM
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Well, since you’ve yet to say anything that disproves my point, I’ll have to assume you know little to nothing about the past you so revere.
/r/PurplePillDebate12/12/24 11:38 AM
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“To be interesting, be interested.” The more you’re curious about the world and people around you, and constantly learning and thinking about them, the more fun you’ll be to talk to.
/r/PurplePillDebate12/12/24 01:06 AM
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Then why is OP saying that a sign of why men are so upset and unhappy is that they’re not going to college?
/r/PurplePillDebate11/12/24 11:35 PM
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I majored in history. I kind of love the past, I’m obsessed with it. That’s why I know that women were given almost zero economic or legal rights, in a way that forced pretty much all women to marry, just in order to survive, and that constrained them them into staying in sometimes terrible marriages where marital rape wasn’t a crime. Truly, read - pretty much any book. By men or women. From before 1900. They don’t try to hide it. There’s just no end to the ignorance of people who claim to like …
/r/PurplePillDebate11/12/24 11:30 PM
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I feel like you are not reading or thinking about people’s responses and just posting this over and over?
/r/PurplePillDebate11/12/24 10:48 PM
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100%. People who think that women didn’t used to labor from dawn to dusk, at farm labor or weaving or as domestic servants, in addition to being moms, are ridiculous uninformed fantasy brats. They think if it weren’t for feminism they’d be June Cleaver. If it weren’t for feminism they’d be up at dawn on the farm they just wouldn’t have access to the money their work earned. In terms of the bar being low - I agree, but also, the bar was always low. Feminism didn’t cause that. The temperance movem…
/r/PurplePillDebate11/12/24 10:38 PM
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I truly - I mean this in the most literal possible way - do not have a single female friend who wasted much time or effort on a guy who wasn’t ready to be exclusive, if that’s what she was looking for. All the women I know who wanted committed relationships looked for a nice normal sane functional guy, and most of them partnered up pretty successfully and started having kids. I don’t know, maybe my friend group is unusual, but almost everyone I’ve ever encountered interacts with their desired se…
/r/PurplePillDebate11/12/24 10:25 PM
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I don’t know if you’ve ever read any book ever on the historical education environment, but… it was nothing but sitting still and getting droned at. Like, ask your grandpa how much wiggling he got to do in parochial school.
/r/PurplePillDebate11/12/24 10:21 PM
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Dude, the “guardrails” existed to prevent women from being financially independent so that men could have sex slaves. Now women are, yes, free to make bad choices - just like men have always been. By the way - there was prostitution and degradation in the good old days of the patriarchy too. It was just a lot harder for women to be the ones financially profiting from their own sexual exploitation. This is progress, actually - and I’m not saying that to say yaayyyy for her, I’m saying that becaus…
/r/PurplePillDebate11/12/24 02:18 PM
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Sometimes I feel like no one on this sub has ever just had one single normal relationship. Like this is just, the least experienced people on the internet, opining about how imaginary “men” and “women” behave.
/r/PurplePillDebate11/12/24 01:44 PM
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So if men want the status they should go to college. It just seems like a solvable problem. College isn’t worth it… great, don’t go. College is worth it… then go. Like if I didn’t go to the gym very often I wouldn’t get to whine about having weak muscles?
/r/PurplePillDebate11/12/24 02:13 AM
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Yes, you are. You cannot ask for sympathy or pity if you do not provide it.
/r/PurplePillDebate10/12/24 10:15 PM
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That was obviously just an example. I mentioned several times in the post that I care about men in general. You, on the other hand, have said on other parts of this thread that it’s fine for you to be indifferent / cruel to older women, so that’s pretty hateful. As I have said multiple times, I care about the well-being of all human beings, stopping short of thinking they are entitled to sex from people who don’t want to provide it.
/r/PurplePillDebate10/12/24 09:54 PM
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But she says she treats men with basic respect?and she never said men have nothing to worry about? So, there was nothing entitled about her post.
/r/PurplePillDebate10/12/24 09:44 PM
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It’s “entitled” of women to not want to be threatened or abused? Lol
/r/PurplePillDebate10/12/24 09:05 PM
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DECADES of “woke” politics? Well we know one area where one man is not outperforming, and that is having a sense of time
/r/PurplePillDebate10/12/24 08:47 PM
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I think a lot about how to make the world better for men. I have a son. I advocate for climate protection and gun control and better school funding because I care what happens to men (and women). I care about drug policies and cancer screening and road safety and occupational health because I care what happens to men (and women). I just don’t think it’s my problem if men are feeling horny and grumpy about having to finally play on a level playing field.
/r/PurplePillDebate10/12/24 08:46 PM
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Yeah, I just really don't think it's true that women have more. Women are just usually working waaaaaay harder to meet men's high standards. Almost every woman I know: shaves, tweezes, blow dries her hair, puts on makeup, picks out outfits super carefully every day, works out, bleaches her teeth, shrinks her pores, etc etc etc. So men think they're "not picky" when women are working their asses off to look as much like professional models as they can. Men get out of bed and put on a T-shirt, wom…
/r/PurplePillDebate10/12/24 08:09 PM
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I have never met a woman who rejected a man for his shoe style once in my life. I think women want to get an overall attractive vibe from a guy, but guys absolutely want that from women too.
/r/PurplePillDebate10/12/24 08:04 PM
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Yeah that's cuz it's not healthy for a woman to be alone in a bedroom with a guy who might be an asshole or a creep or in general a person she wouldn't risk a potential lifetime attachment to.
/r/PurplePillDebate10/12/24 07:48 PM
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The problem is that the solution to issues like Domestic Violence, Rapes, and Murders is to lock bad people up in jail. Which should be something everyone should get behind. Whereas the solution to male loneliness seems to be... women should feel obligated to fuck men even if they don't want to? Which is harder to get behind. I am all for feeling a collective societal responsibility to help men with their loneliness - I think in general as a society he have a massive loneliness problem that we n…
/r/PurplePillDebate10/12/24 07:40 PM
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Yeah, I don't know as much about trade degrees, I believe that. But two and four year colleges almost all offer need-based funding, or funding for athletes or for academically exceptional students. This is also anecdata, but I don't know any women who funded their education by being women, they funded it through their college's financial aid program, which was also open to men.
/r/PurplePillDebate10/12/24 07:35 PM
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So... why were men historically considered to be the more intellectual gender and why did they make up the vast vast majority of college graduates until around thirty years ago? Personally I think men are every bit as capable as women at focusing and studying, they've been doing it for centuries...
/r/PurplePillDebate10/12/24 04:57 PM
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...evidence?
/r/PurplePillDebate10/12/24 04:46 PM
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Yup. The last time only 40% of college students were women it was because women literally weren’t allowed to attend a bunch of colleges. What the hell are men whining about.
/r/PurplePillDebate10/12/24 03:26 PM
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But if that’s the case - why is OP pointing to lower rates of men going to college as if it’s a bad sign that men are justifiably angry about? Like, if men are getting paid more… without having to shell out for an expensive education… why the hell is that making men so mad they turn to folks like Andrew Tate?!? Doesn’t sound like they have much to be mad at…
/r/PurplePillDebate10/12/24 03:25 PM
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DEI to the rescue! https://hechingerreport.org/the-latest-group-to-get-special-attention-from-college-admissions-offices-men/
/r/PurplePillDebate10/12/24 02:45 PM
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Yeah, that kind of gets at my issue with OP’s post. If college IS a good thing… men should go. They’re not being discriminated against, they can do it. If college ISNT a good thing - then you can’t point to more women than men going to college to be like “men have it so rough, no wonder they are all angry and blaming women for their problems!!”
/r/PurplePillDebate10/12/24 02:43 PM
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The vast majority of scholarships are either needs-based or athletic. There are incredibly few scholarships set aside specifically for women. And I’ve taught high school and haven’t seen evidence of grading discrimination. It’s possible but I’d rather see some rigorous data on that than blindly accept the assertion that school is unfair. I do think we should recruit more male teachers. But unfortunately, attitudes like red pill / Andrew Tate / anti college etc make it much harder to recruit men …
/r/PurplePillDebate10/12/24 02:39 PM
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That’s exactly what I was asking about. What is the imbalance due to, if not men’s unwillingness? Colleges actively prefer a 50/50 gender ratio, so men are not being actively discriminated against. And men were qualifying for college at even number 20 years ago, so they’re certainly capable of it. If it’s not unwillingness pretending them, then what is it? And if it is unwillingness, if college isn’t “the cake,” then why is OP pointing to fewer men attending college to say men are justifiably ma…
/r/PurplePillDebate10/12/24 02:36 PM
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This post is almost entirely about race, not gender, and does not explain why white women are attending college in record numbers.
/r/PurplePillDebate10/12/24 02:26 PM
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I totally get not being interested in college given the debt levels and the profitability of trades. But per OP’s post, I don’t think men choosing not to do something that is an open option for them can be pointed to as a sign of misfortune or discrimination that justifies festering anger and hatred. Like, if there’s a cake sitting out in the middle of the table and I don’t eat it because I prefer pie… it’s my fault if I end up hangry. It’s not cake-eaters fault. And my anger is totally unreason…
/r/PurplePillDebate10/12/24 02:24 PM
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Sincere question: why don’t more men go to college? If that’s the key sign that women are doing better… men could do that too. I went to college 15 years ago and it was 50/50. Women didn’t ban men from going, or prevent men from studying - most women would prefer to go to schools with an equal gender ratio. So WTF happened?
/r/PurplePillDebate10/12/24 02:07 PM
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Is that supposed to be different from how men live in those countries? Or just that, all people live that way if they’re legally and economically able to?
/r/PurplePillDebate09/12/24 07:54 PM
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My objection wasn't to the idea that women have privileges. Of course we do! My objection was to the claim that women are "showered with love, validation, and inherent value as long as they're not horrendously unattractive" because that is ridiculous and ignorant. Plenty of women feel - and are - unloved, ignored, bullied, hated, judged. We are humans, not unicorns.
/r/PurplePillDebate09/12/24 07:09 PM
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The same argument cuts both ways. You haven't proven that women are less miserable or treated more kindly by society; you have just established that they have been socialized to reach out and get help, OR socialized to not seek out a violent solution to problems. The depression statistics show pretty clearly that a LOT of women feel pretty shitty most of the time and do not experience life as some kind of warm hug in which they are loved and validated all the time.
/r/PurplePillDebate07/12/24 12:07 AM
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1/6 women in America will be raped in their lifetimes and women earn 82 cents on the dollar compared with men. My feelings have nothing to do with it. Your feelings that I get "showered with love" are just that... pure feelings with no data
/r/PurplePillDebate06/12/24 11:56 PM
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Yeah, the people most likely to "successfully" commit suicide are gun owners and men own more guns. Women report more thoughts of suicide than men: https://cams-care.com/resources/educational-content/the-gender-paradox-of-suicide/ And have consistently higher (double) rates of depression: https://www.mayoclinic.org/diseases-conditions/depression/in-depth/depression/art-20047725#:~:text=About%20twice%20as%20many%20women,can%20occur%20at%20any%20age
/r/PurplePillDebate06/12/24 11:53 PM
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How about this - I have no idea what it feels like to be a man; you have no idea what it feels like to be a woman. Getting talked over in professional settings and talked down to in intellectual settings, questioned even in my own areas of expertise and mocked for any flaws in my appearance come with being female; that doesn't make me feel "loved and validated"
/r/PurplePillDebate06/12/24 11:51 PM
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"Most women live in completely different realities where they're showered with love, validation, and inherent value as long as they're not horrendously unattractive" lolololololol yeah, totally. Women feel just showered with love and validation each and every day.
/r/PurplePillDebate05/12/24 11:47 PM
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Hahaha, yes, that is definitely believable. I would buy it that there are men out there who think "finishing first" means lots of sex with women who don't want to date you, and those men are actually kind of repugnant since they they don't actually want to date women, but since they aren't "Chads" they convince themselves they must be nice and they must be failing because they're nice... rather than, they're failing because they don't actually like women or want to get to know them.
/r/PurplePillDebate05/12/24 11:43 PM
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Yeah, exactly - nice guys only "finish last" if "finishing first" means having a lot of sex with people who don't like you and won't stick with you. If you want to have an emotionally supportive partner in your life, get married, have kids, be less lonely, successfully reproduce, have a stable career, etc... being nice is a really great step.
/r/PurplePillDebate05/12/24 05:45 PM
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I don't think there's any real data showing that genuinely nice guys - for instance, guys who are not violent, guys who don't cheat, guys who have agreeable temperaments, guys who have lots of friends, etc - finish last. In my personal experience, the guys I know who are genuinely nice have had either a girlfriend or a wife the whole time I've known them. There's a cultural trope that guys who self-identify as "nice" are often overlooked even though they're the real, deserving, truly loving guy …
/r/PurplePillDebate05/12/24 04:49 PM
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Had never heard of her. It looks like she has been able to successfully monetize people's outrage at her stance though, so 1) she is probably bringing in income and is not actually a SAHM and 2) she is not a real-life person, she's an internet stunt personality. Do you know people in your actual life who have this arrangement or expect to?
/r/PurplePillDebate25/11/24 10:51 PM
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Straw man - I don't know anyone who has or expects that arrangement.
/r/PurplePillDebate25/11/24 10:08 PM
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You mean the moment when the work of Susan B. Anthony, Elizabeth Cady Stanton, Carrie Catt, Lucretia Mott, Lucy Stone, and Paulina Wright Davis, after being ignored by men for decades, was finally pushed to the fore by Alice Paul, Lucy Burns, Inez Mulholland, Mabel Vernon, Doris Stevens, and Mary Bartelme picketed the white house for years to pressure Wilson for the right to vote? Thanks, men!!!!
/r/PurplePillDebate25/11/24 10:03 PM
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Lol that is 100% not true my dude. My Mom was in the first class of women to attend a major prestigious university she and other women marched and held sit-ins for that while men tried to oppose it. Same with the vote, same with gender pay equity - you can easily read on wikipedia which WOMEN fought for those bills. Shut up and sit down you have no idea what you're talking about.
/r/PurplePillDebate25/11/24 09:01 PM
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Women do the vast, vast majority of childcare. I’d say that’s pretty critical for “maintaining society”. So, they’re already doing let’s say 50% of keeping things together. Then on top of that They are the majority of healthcare workers. They are the majority of education employees. And women with those “office jobs” pay taxes which pays for stuff like law enforcement and construction. No one’s doing us a favor. Men work, and in exchange, they get paid. They don’t get a free sex slave as a speci…
/r/PurplePillDebate23/11/24 03:25 AM
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Lolol. I’m working my ass off to maintain society while raising two children with my husband. Go indulge your weird fantasy ideas somewhere else, my dude. Another brilliant part of feminism is that women don’t expect men to “maintain society”. Women are doing over 50% of that and the number just keeps climbing.
/r/PurplePillDebate23/11/24 03:07 AM
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So, I don't know if you know this... but you can't always tell everything about a person from the moment you meet them? Like sometimes you date them for a while, or even get seriously involved with them, before you realize how mean they are? And then - as you said in your own postI - women break up with those men, because they don't actually like them. But what do I know? I'm just a woman 18 years into a relationship with a nice, emotionally stable guy who I found so attractive I pursued him for…
/r/PurplePillDebate22/11/24 05:57 PM
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Um… it’s adding up perfectly? Women are now leaving abusive men they didn’t used to be able to leave? Because they were legally barred from economic independence?
/r/PurplePillDebate22/11/24 04:54 PM
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“TRP is consistently proven by statistics”… Doesn’t include the statistics
/r/PurplePillDebate22/11/24 04:29 PM
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Yup, 100%. They are mad that every man - no matter how mean, no matter how selfish, no matter how unattractive, isn’t automatically entitled to a live-in cook / therapist / doormat / baby factory / punching bag, just by dint of women being legally free to have their own job, their own bank account, and an IUD. That’s what the bogeyman of feminism did - deprive them of sex slaves. God forbid. Men have lots of very real problems - from the cruelties of late-stage capitalism to the loneliness of di…
/r/PurplePillDebate22/11/24 04:26 PM
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I love both yout username and your flair so much.
/r/PurplePillDebate21/11/24 04:46 PM
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Sounds to me like you're expecting a girlfriend to do a lot of emotional work for you. I wonder if you're doing the same emotional work in return for your girlfriend. If men don't know how to talk to each other about how they're doing... do they know how to talk to their girlfriends about how they're doing? Or are their girlfriends being one way therapists, and in exchange men are as boring as they are to their male friends?
/r/PurplePillDebate21/11/24 04:40 PM
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i dunno what you're talking about i like having the right to vote a college degree and my own bank account
/r/PurplePillDebate20/11/24 12:20 PM
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Back when I was dating, I would ask out friends who I know I get along with and like. I would not randomly approach a stranger and ask for his number because I think a lot of guys would interpret that as a sign of definite sexual interest, and it can become uncomfortable if you then get to know them a bit and decide you don't want to sleep with them.
/r/PurplePillDebate20/11/24 12:16 PM
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Oh man, I was nodding along with you until you got to the last line and decided to go all flame-throwy against feminism. The long tradition of feminism is trying to get women equal legal, economic, and personal rights, full stop. But I agree with the first part - I think I am committing the class all-human-not-just-feminist sin of blaming individuals for structural problems. Social media, long working hours, and zoning that actively discouraged third spaces are not things individual men can fix.…
/r/PurplePillDebate19/11/24 08:09 PM
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Ah yes. That must be why the Me Too movement has successfully unseated the 93% of S&P 500 CEOs that are men. Along with the 85% of film directors who are men, the 70+% of congresspeople who are men, the 61% of tenured professors who are men... way to go Me Too!! We did it!!!! We ended male power!!!! No, absolutely not, my dude. The Me Too movement was the movement that got Harvey Weinstein and Bill Cosby arrested. For being - say it with me now - serial rapists. Please name a person who was hurt…
/r/PurplePillDebate19/11/24 07:02 PM
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Who is MeToo casting a net over, besides sexual predators?
/r/PurplePillDebate19/11/24 06:48 PM
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Um, I have not at any point - and would absolutely never - say that the 'logical reasoning for everything a man does is "they want to rape"'. That was precisely my point. Since the vast, vast majority of men are not rapists... And are hopefully also not into sexually harassing their employees... nothing about the Me Too movement should feel threatening or harmful to them in any way?
/r/PurplePillDebate19/11/24 06:37 PM
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How exactly is it fucked up to say that men who can't date women without raping them should not date women? I don't mean they should rape men, I am presuming here that they are heterosexual. Men (or women) who can't hang out with either sex without raping them should stay home alone forever.
/r/PurplePillDebate19/11/24 06:14 PM
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This is a very specific list of “social privilege” obviously written by a man. Some things you didn’t ask: 16. Do you feel safe walking home alone at night? 17. Have you ever had someone express frightening amounts of rage or stalker ish behavior when you said you didn’t want to talk to them? 18. Do your coworkers and boss treat you like a respected colleague? 19. Do people regularly talk over you at work? 20. Are you able to be left alone when you want to be left alone? 21. Did anyone ever spre…
/r/PurplePillDebate19/11/24 05:15 PM
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I’m not willfully misunderstanding your argument. My post was about loneliness in general, and was an argument that if men tackle their social loneliness they will be a lot less unhappy. I think a lot of men (particularly on this sub) think they’re miserable because they don’t have a girlfriend and actually they’re miserable for a lot of other reasons they have more control over and can actually do something about.
/r/PurplePillDebate19/11/24 03:56 PM
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Yes. Loneliness is not the same thing as sexual frustration and you can fix loneliness (and be mostly happy) with or without sex
/r/PurplePillDebate19/11/24 03:16 PM
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Of course it's different. But if you can't have steak you eat chicken, and you don't have to be angry at the world because you're starving.
/r/PurplePillDebate19/11/24 02:03 AM
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I don’t think I said they were great? And yes I’m quite positive many of them were having affairs and I think it would have been pretty miserable being married to most of them (that’s in my post). I just think they did a better job hanging out with each other.
/r/PurplePillDebate19/11/24 01:23 AM
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I definitely don’t think feminism wrecked dating?
/r/PurplePillDebate19/11/24 01:19 AM
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The internet
/r/PurplePillDebate19/11/24 01:17 AM
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Yes, I do! I'm an adult woman with a full-time job and a family - it's hard work! Do it anyway, it's worth it!!
/r/PurplePillDebate18/11/24 09:07 PM
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My friends and I text all the time, and talk on the phone at night. Admittedly, we usually do not cuddle. I am not a cuddly person so I may not appreciate the importance of that enough :)
/r/PurplePillDebate18/11/24 09:01 PM
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No. I was socialized to do it. But I wasn't complaining about it - my point was that I think it's at least as common for women to help men maintain friendships as it is for women to prevent men from maintaining friendships.
/r/PurplePillDebate18/11/24 09:00 PM
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I would probably agree with that. And agree it cuts across gender lines but tends to take an angrier turn in men and a sadder turn in women. Yeah, it takes *work* to have friends, just like it takes *work* to have a happy romantic relationship. And it takes compromise, too, and empathy.
/r/PurplePillDebate18/11/24 08:57 PM
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I don't think they're substitutes for each other. I get than men also want girlfriends. I just think that a lot of men (particularly on this sub) have a tendency to blame women / feminism for what are actually the effects of late stage capitalism and the decline of in-person social networks.
/r/PurplePillDebate18/11/24 08:56 PM
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Why would you feel lonely when you were constantly surrounded by friends? I can understand feeling horny, or romantically anxious, or sexually frustrated, but not lonely. That would seem to point to something that women are offering men (other than sex) that men are not offering each other - but could.
/r/PurplePillDebate18/11/24 08:55 PM
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I would put a big ol' "some" in front of your statement about "women." I think more traditionally women would do a crap ton of work to maintain men's social networks. I'm usually the reason my husband sees his family, or any friends he doesn't work with, and I think that's just as common as the situation you're describing.
/r/PurplePillDebate18/11/24 08:51 PM
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I would argue that hanging out with one's buddies is likely to produce a greater level of chill which is in turn more likely to lead to romantic success. I do agree with you that the much broader trend towards unhappiness is something systemic that neither men nor women can control with personal choices - though I'm on a brief reddit binge I'm in general quite a luddite and a big advocate of logging off, I think that's around 50% of it. Global chaos doesn't help either. I feel like there is a lo…
/r/PurplePillDebate18/11/24 08:46 PM
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Golf! Bowling! Softball! Go fix a car together or something! Go for a hike with a buddy like Teddy Roosevelt and John Muir!
/r/PurplePillDebate18/11/24 08:41 PM
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yup.
/r/PurplePillDebate18/11/24 08:40 PM
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I mean... yeah? Don't knock it till you've tried it. There is an ancient wisdom to bowling on Friday nights.
/r/PurplePillDebate18/11/24 08:40 PM
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I feel like the only reason my husband still has any friendships is because of video games, lol. I'm definitely not a "video games are bad!" absolutist. But I do wonder whether there is something about in-person get-togethers that we as animal creatures just physiologically respond to in a different way, we literally feel less alone? And online interaction scratches some of our need for interaction but can't replace that calming positive feeling?
/r/PurplePillDebate18/11/24 08:37 PM
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I'm interested in what you're saying - can you give examples? I definitely think traditional forms of social validation have been dismantled - I see that as a result of late-stage capitalism requiring longer working hours and internet culture decreasing in-person interaction. I don't know of many active attempts to reinvent those structures, and I have no idea why the kinds of things I'm thinking of - like softball leagues or trivia teams or whatever - would be perceived as misogynist.
/r/PurplePillDebate18/11/24 08:35 PM
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I totally agree with you that the pandemic really damaged the younger generation's habit of in-person togetherness, with disastrous effects on mental health!! I just think the first third of your comment is a perfect example of how women are getting blamed for systemic loneliness that they did not create. The MeToo movement was a "please don't rape or sexually harass me" movement. If men feel like they don't know how to date without being rapists... maybe they should just stick to hanging out wi…
/r/PurplePillDebate18/11/24 08:32 PM
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I would completely agree with you that marriage is good for both financial stability and - when neither party is abusive - for the kids. It is good for *society*. And I totally agree with you that it can be encouraged without going backwards on women's rights. But I do not think it is a reliable source for happiness or mental stability. I think involvement in a strong community has always been better for that. After all, the things you mention - depression, anxiety, drug use etc - were all noted…
/r/PurplePillDebate18/11/24 08:30 PM
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Thanks for explaining that, rocket surgeon! No woman knows about that!! Good thing that doesn’t limit men to 20 year old women, lol.
/r/PurplePillDebate18/11/24 04:58 PM
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Also, you realized soldiers are paid actual cash $$$ right? And still get to “earn” a vote doing that?
/r/PurplePillDebate18/11/24 02:02 AM
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Unpaid labor “paid for” with free housing is… the literal conditions of slavery. Just fyi. Also since on top of the childrearing women were a vital part of the family economic unit - working outside the home for wages and inside the home making agricultural and artisinal products for sale… this is pure bullshit
/r/PurplePillDebate18/11/24 01:56 AM
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And women provided billions of hours of unpaid childcare to make the entire nation run… I think we earned our vote. Oh and by the way; until the mid 19th century the rate of death in childbirth was higher than the death rate in war.
/r/PurplePillDebate18/11/24 01:48 AM
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yeah, I mean it sounds like we mostly agree - waiting a beat to get married and have kids is a good idea. As for the claim, "there is nothing wrong with men who cherish their wives more if they fucked them before wedding at the age of 26, than men whose wives fucked someone else during these years" - I mean, sure, totally, people can feel however they wanna feel. My own experience has been that a lot of women appreciate their husbands more and treat them better because they remember the crappy d…
/r/PurplePillDebate17/11/24 10:15 PM
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Well, first off, you can't write off the financial security component. Having a kid at 20 most likely means dropping out of or never attending college. That deals a blow to lifelong financial health - and also increases your risk of divorce: https://www.pewresearch.org/short-reads/2015/12/04/education-and-marriage/ But, let's say you're independently wealthy and money is no object. Here are my observations about friends who had kids early (and I'm talking 23-25, not 20!): 1) A lot of them ended …
/r/PurplePillDebate17/11/24 09:32 PM
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I didn't make a claim about divorce rates and age gaps, I don't know those statistics. My claim was about divorce rates and age of first marriage - waiting until at least after age 25 is highly advisable. https://www.wf-lawyers.com/divorce-statistics-and-facts/#:~:text=48%20percent%20of%20those%20who,25%20will%20end%20in%20divorce Also fyi - in statistics, 82 % confidence is pretty high :) Also very confused by the "some college education" statistics you cited here - one of the clearest and most…
/r/PurplePillDebate17/11/24 09:18 PM
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I mean - neither are women. Women are innately attracted to 22 year old f*ckbois with English accents. But after a bad experience or two they're generally able to use their reason and make smarter choices, and end up with sane, emotionally stable men. Are you saying men aren't rational enough to overcome their dumbest instincts and make a strategic life choice? Because most of the men in my life are actually smart enough to do that, I don't think you should insult men that way...
/r/PurplePillDebate17/11/24 09:09 PM
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Good luck raising kids with your 20 year old partner, my dude. Truly - good luck, and have fun. Signed, someone who has successfully reproduced and is raising happy kids I had in my 30s with a man my own age.
/r/PurplePillDebate17/11/24 04:50 PM
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That is insane that you don’t think that things like maturity, being grown up enough to make a decent parent, having stuff in common with you, and income, count as “bringing something to the table”. I can’t think of anything I’d like less than to spend all my time with a 20 year old. The economic outcomes and divorce rates are much better for couples who marry later, that’s a statistical fact.
/r/PurplePillDebate17/11/24 04:09 PM
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…of course? What would possibly be the argument for any other division?
/r/PurplePillDebate14/11/24 11:05 PM
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It sounds like you are not providing what American women are looking for. Love is a free market (at least for now); try getting a decent personality to go with your relatively high income.
/r/PurplePillDebate14/11/24 02:21 PM
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I was definitely encouraging it. It's good advice for any woman hoping to be married and have kids. Which is what this thread is about. If you'd like to point me to some place where the new testament says NOT to go to college... I'd be fascinated to read it.
/r/PurplePillDebate05/11/24 04:31 PM
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oh, the Old Testament doesn't count?? I didn't realize that, I'll have to go take down my 10 commandments, lol. Also, to be clear, I didn't say, "the bible tells women to go to university." I said, women who want the best possible chance of getting married, and staying married, and raising kids within a stable marriage, in the contemporary United States, should go to university and pursue a career. That is a statistical fact, m'dear. As you could see from the articles cited in my post. If your q…
/r/PurplePillDebate05/11/24 03:50 PM
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Oh, easy, thanks for asking! Proverbs 31 makes it very clear that a good wife earns income outside the home and contributes as an independent entrepreneur and community leader to her family life. "A capable wife who can find? She is far more precious than jewels. The heart of her husband trusts in her, and he will have no lack of gain. She does him good, and not harm, all the days of her life. She seeks wool and flax, and works with willing hands. She is like the ships of the merchant, she bring…
/r/PurplePillDebate05/11/24 03:13 PM
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If we look at actual statistics... women with some educational and professional attainment have higher marriage rates: https://www.pewresearch.org/short-reads/2017/09/14/as-u-s-marriage-rate-hovers-at-50-education-gap-in-marital-status-widens/ and dual income families have lower divorce rates: https://www.wevorce.com/blog/dual-income-no-divorce/ If a woman wants to know how to be a stably married wife and mother, the best answer is, go to college and have a career.
/r/PurplePillDebate04/11/24 09:05 PM
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Here's my perspective: I'm a woman getting closer to 40. And I have never actually met a man who is "willing to put in their all" for the woman in their life. I know lots of men who have been good boyfriends, who've been willing to get married, who are great dads. But in every single relationship that I see enough of to know it fairly well, I see women giving up more: of their sleep, of their mental energy, of their kindness, of their thoughtfulness, of their emotional support. I see a lot of me…
/r/PurplePillDebate31/10/24 05:08 PM
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I had to study gender-based differences in brain anatomy for a project once and here's the key to what I learned: the average difference between any two individual human brains is greater than the difference between the average male brain and the average female brain. it's a complicated sentence and might take some rereading, but basically... individual human beings are all really different from each other, across and within genders. There may be some personality traits or behavioral traits that…
/r/PurplePillDebate31/10/24 01:23 AM
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