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My bad, I guess I should have said both are the same level of difficulty
/r/PurplePillDebate24/06/25 01:21 PM
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If most women were approaching this rationally and unselfishly, they’d be neutral, or even supportive, of paternity tests, because they’d recognize that, like all humans, they’re not above mistakes or deception. A woman who truly saw herself as human, with flaws and blindspots like the rest of us, wouldn’t be offended by a paternity test. She’d be indifferent. The fact that it triggers outrage says more about inflated self-image than trust. Why? Because they’d understand that, like all human bei…
/r/PurplePillDebate24/06/25 12:39 PM
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already said that I believe that paternity testing is a man’s right and that women Well you're the exception, alot of the women on here disagree with you, for the reasons I highlighted
/r/PurplePillDebate24/06/25 12:30 PM
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Please stop with the “women are evil, inhuman, and narcissistic” rhetoric Not tryna be rude or anything, but their consensus opinion regarding paternity tests, shows a completely unreasonable, selfish perspective. It only makes sense to hold that view if you consider yourself above most human fallibilities
/r/PurplePillDebate24/06/25 12:23 PM
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How is your comment in any way addressing the points I made?
/r/PurplePillDebate24/06/25 12:21 PM
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I think both of them are easy you don’t trust Even if you did trust her, trusting someone doesn't make them infallible. How could you even be so sure, when others have had the same level of conviction and trust in their partners yet still turned out to be wrong?
/r/PurplePillDebate24/06/25 12:20 PM
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So I take it if your daughter got raped, you'll tell her that next time she shouldn't leave the house? Or that it's it's her fault she got raped when she could've just stayed in the house??
/r/PurplePillDebate24/06/25 12:17 PM
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They already keep secret bank accounts lol
/r/PurplePillDebate24/06/25 12:14 PM
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But again you won’t convince me or most others to live that way. Not my intention, ppl are architects of their own misery after all. Due diligence is simply something alot of ppl are attracted to so it's not really surprising. Full of mistrust Your body evolved to be that way, why do you even think it's possible to experience fear or Intuition, your body is constantly on high alert, doing background processes, detecting threats
/r/PurplePillDebate24/06/25 03:50 AM
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it’s not my fault men choose women they don’t trust to load their cum into You do know this logic could be used to invalidate tax payer money being funnelled to prosecute other crimes like rape or dv. It's not society's problem when women involve themselves with dangerous men, hence no point in having dv shelters or even welfare or any kind of support for struggling women and mothers
/r/PurplePillDebate24/06/25 03:23 AM
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False equivalence. I mean is it? You seem to be against the idea of the government guaranteeing men, informed consent when it comes to fatherhood, it seems consent has caveats, or is not that big of a deal Lmao thanks for confirming the neuroticism and paranoia. Not even close, my dude. That's the only explanation that explains the reaction and defensiveness. I don't think women ant to see pregnant women or new mothers murdered by their husbands everytime they watch the news
/r/PurplePillDebate24/06/25 03:13 AM
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Because word of mouth is not a scientifically accurate. Blind faith is how ppl get taken advantage of
/r/PurplePillDebate24/06/25 03:10 AM
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estimates of paternity fraud don't come even close. Again this is neuroticism and paranoia. Because they only account for the men who suspected their wives, there are many men who went all their lives being unsuspecting little schmucks. This is actually the real reason women don't like the idea of it being made mandatory, because they know all hell would break loose, how so many new mothers would be murdered in cold blood, they know deep down. Mandatory paternity testing is a waste of my taxpaye…
/r/PurplePillDebate24/06/25 03:04 AM
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No shit Sherlock you get hurt when you trust. So why knowingly do something that'll get you hurt, geez you women shock me some times. Yeah not trusting definitely means you don’t get hurt It just means the hurt and disappointment doesn't hit that deep coz you saw it coming from the get go, and preemptively prepared yourself to accommodate that reality. Learn to live with uncertainty That sounds dumb. All innovation that's ever been made have always been motivated by humans not wanting to live wi…
/r/PurplePillDebate24/06/25 02:57 AM
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Relationships going sour are INFINITELY more common than paternity fraud You don't know that, infact I think if we could somehow go back in time and do a paternity test of all humans, the govts would make paternity tests mandatory tomorrow first thing in the morning. But I also wouldn't feel entitled to a relationship a man who felt in such a way and expect him to just shut up and do what I want. and there are far more reasons than just potential for abuse to have your own bank account, so Same …
/r/PurplePillDebate24/06/25 02:50 AM
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Most feminists would agree that a woman married to a man should have her own bank account that her husband cannot access, just in case she needs to leave the marriage. What if the husband said, "It hurts my feelings that you don't trust me not to be abusive" or "It hurts my feelings that you don't trust our marriage to last" or "If you don't trust me, why are you married to me?" Most feminists recognize that the husband's hurt feelings do not outweigh the importance of the wife being able to lea…
/r/PurplePillDebate24/06/25 02:27 AM
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Do you really believe that
/r/PurplePillDebate24/06/25 02:26 AM
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Most feminists/women would agree that a woman married to a man should have her own bank account that her husband cannot access, just in case she needs to leave the marriage. What if the husband said, "It hurts my feelings that you don't trust me not to be abusive" or "It hurts my feelings that you don't trust our marriage to last" or "If you don't trust me, why are you married to me?" Most feminists recognize that the husband's hurt feelings do not outweigh the importance of the wife being able …
/r/PurplePillDebate24/06/25 02:25 AM
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believe there’s a chance your partner cheated. There's always a chance tho? Why does this seem so particularly outside of your field of view?? Everyone is capable of anything under the right circumstances, this is not even debatable
/r/PurplePillDebate24/06/25 02:24 AM
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So why are you not protesting against security checks? Why are you fine with a govt you pay taxes to treating you like a potential terrorist now?
/r/PurplePillDebate24/06/25 02:22 AM
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This is why my relationships are based on a strong foundation of trust Hard disagree, trust is the sole reason ppl get hurt in the 1st place, nearly all ppl who've been hurt or abused trusted their partner or closed ones to never hurt them
/r/PurplePillDebate24/06/25 02:20 AM
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Except you're fine getting security checks at the airport, you're fine with your own govt that you pay taxes to, treating you like a potential terrorist
/r/PurplePillDebate24/06/25 02:18 AM
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So why don't ppl lash out at airport security checks? By your logic, the govt is treating everyone like terrorrists and drug dealers
/r/PurplePillDebate24/06/25 02:15 AM
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Let me try to explain it in a way that makes sense... To Why would you ask for the test tho? Because most women would if the roles were reversed. if paternity tests were universal, then it clearly wouldn't be personal, it would just be a routine medical test, like a hearing test. Second of all, "I feel hurt that you think I would cheat on you" is exactly the same thing a cheater would say. It's not uncommon for people to be betrayed by someone they trusted. Many, many, many people swear up and d…
/r/PurplePillDebate24/06/25 02:03 AM
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Your argument would make sense if trust suddenly made ppl infallible
/r/PurplePillDebate24/06/25 01:56 AM
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Never putting yourself in that situation is the biggest mitigation of risk, So I take it you believe women who don't want to be raped should never leave the house
/r/PurplePillDebate24/06/25 01:55 AM
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Most ppl know they an die in an accident any time, still doesn't stop them from using vehicles
/r/PurplePillDebate24/06/25 01:54 AM
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What I find unreasonable about your position, is it ignores a lot of truths about human nature. The most interesting take away from this discourse, is how close it relates to the women-are-wonderful effect. See, if women truly wanted to be treated as equals, as human beings, they’d embrace accountability the same way men are expected to. Humans make mistakes. Humans lie. Humans deceive, sometimes intentionally, sometimes in ways they justify to themselves. But the way women respond to the mere s…
/r/PurplePillDebate24/06/25 01:38 AM
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It shows a deep seated lack of trust, or else why even ask for it? To that I have to ask , do you think trusting someone makes them infallible? The thing is, trusting someone doesn't necessarily make them infallible, you know? People lie, people are conniving, people keep secrets. Just look at the rate of infidelity these days. I do not know what fantasy land you live in, but over 90% of the population have possibly lied about something at some point in their life time. You can always count on a…
/r/PurplePillDebate24/06/25 01:33 AM
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Give a valid reason. To get rid of the women are wonderful effect. .The most interesting take away from this discourse, is how close it relates to the women-are-wonderful effect. See, if women truly wanted to be treated as equals, as human beings, they’d embrace accountability the same way men are expected to. Humans make mistakes. Humans lie. Humans deceive, sometimes intentionally, sometimes in ways they justify to themselves. But the way women respond to the mere suggestion of a paternity tes…
/r/PurplePillDebate24/06/25 01:29 AM
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Thing is you don't have to have shitty morals to commit paternity fraud, you just have to be human. The instinct for self preservation is a deeply rooted human trait, so it's actually more likely for a woman to commit paternity fraud than the reverse
/r/PurplePillDebate24/06/25 01:25 AM
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These so unreasonable. Like I just got ask, to what degree would you say your opinion is shaped by the women-are-wonderful effect?
/r/PurplePillDebate24/06/25 01:23 AM
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Good thing your partners feelings doesn't matter in a relationship. That's how it works right? Do you think trusting your partner makes them infallible?
/r/PurplePillDebate24/06/25 01:18 AM
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Do you think trusting someone makes them infallible
/r/PurplePillDebate24/06/25 01:17 AM
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From a psychological pov that assertion does seem to have some merit. Just think about it for a second. If someone spends most of their formative years being ignored, rejected, or laughed at, there's a high chance they develop people-pleasing, conflict-averse, and hyper-considerate tendencies. Why? Because survival in that social environment requires it. Being agreeable is one of the only tools they have to gain acceptance or avoid ridicule. In my years on this earth I've noticed that most ppl w…
/r/PurplePillDebate23/05/25 06:52 PM
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I mean the gap does seem to exist
/r/PurplePillDebate14/05/25 08:47 AM
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I would guess the people who think this, do so because they look at from a purely risk-benefit analysis. Like in some ways, women face great risk and struggle to get the same benefits out of sex that men do without all the risk or struggle. Couple that with the orgasm gap and you have yourself a reason
/r/PurplePillDebate14/05/25 08:45 AM
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I don't particularly think women love assholes. I think it's more of a case that most women want the full package, like they want everything, but they don't want everything equally, among the traits they are willing to dispense with (if they can't have it all) in their potential partners, are intelligence, loyalty and kindness. It's not really true that women love assholes. Let's say you can work at two companies, and in one company you could have this really awesome boss, like the boss really c…
/r/PurplePillDebate12/05/25 02:01 AM
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Gimme a minute I fetch some of the think pieces from that show's sub
/r/PurplePillDebate11/05/25 10:48 AM
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It's pretty common knowledge that ppl into casual sex tend to cheat more
/r/PurplePillDebate05/05/25 10:10 AM
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I mean someone who can't have sex without commitment is less likely to cheat on you compared to someone who thinks sex is no big deal and can be had with just about anybody
/r/PurplePillDebate05/05/25 10:09 AM
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What if it's about men just not wanting to imagine their special little Lady being someone else's slut for the night? It seems obviously clear that a lot of the men here care more about the context of her encounters more than just the number
/r/PurplePillDebate02/05/25 04:46 AM
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Uhh what
/r/PurplePillDebate01/05/25 03:25 PM
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What about someone who'd never take an interest in non-committal sex?
/r/PurplePillDebate01/05/25 02:27 AM
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Huh? I don't get this response and what it has to do with what I said
/r/PurplePillDebate01/05/25 02:20 AM
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I'm simply arguing if you are someone who values loyalty, your best chance is with someone who would never take an interest in non-committal sex
/r/PurplePillDebate01/05/25 01:26 AM
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The issue isn’t whether people can feel emotions during casual sex, it’s whether those emotions are structurally oriented toward pair-bonding or simply exist in isolation, like sparks in the wind. You say you had deep feelings for some FWBs but didn’t want long-term relationships with them. That’s exactly the point: those feelings were not channeled into investment, sacrifice, or mutual growth. They were self-contained, consumed for their own sake. And over time, that type of emotional expressio…
/r/PurplePillDebate01/05/25 01:09 AM
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What you’ve described sounds tidy, but it’s an idealized recount of casual sex that ignores the underlying psychological mechanisms at play. You're interpreting your behavior through the lens of personal agency, but the deeper question is: what does this behavior reinforce? Repeated casual sex doesn’t exist in a vacuum. Each encounter, even if consensual and seemingly detached, wires your emotional circuitry. The human attachment system isn’t modular, you don’t get to flip the "intimacy" switch …
/r/PurplePillDebate01/05/25 01:03 AM
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Cheating doesn’t emerge from a vacuum; it’s not an isolated act of betrayal that only some people are predisposed to. It is, in fact, the logical outcome of a cultural shift toward sexual detachment. A person who has routinely engaged in sex without commitment, without attachment, is far more likely to rationalize infidelity when presented with the chance. They are not driven by an inherent flaw in morality, but by a slow, incremental erosion of emotional loyalty. Casual sex and cheating are not…
/r/PurplePillDebate30/04/25 11:08 PM
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Cheating is an active betrayal.Casual sex is a passive gamble with your long-term relational capacity. Different risks, different timelines, but neither is truly harmless. The behaviors you practice become the default modes you fall back on, whether in sex, communication, or trust. The key variable here is detachment. Cheating requires it. Casual sex trains it. This isn’t to say every person who engages in casual sex will cheat, but rather that casual sex, over time, can erode the psychological …
/r/PurplePillDebate30/04/25 11:03 PM
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While it’s true that humans share significant behavioral overlap with other Great Apes, it is a mistake to assume that evolutionary proximity necessarily dictates optimal or even natural social structures in a modern human context. Unlike other apes, humans are deeply cultural beings whose behavior is shaped not only by biological imperatives but also by symbolic systems, institutions, and long-term cooperative strategies. You point to gay men as proof that humans default to casual sex, but gay …
/r/PurplePillDebate30/04/25 10:52 PM
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I don't deny that women can worry about male fidelityz but biologically and evolutionarily, the stakes have always been asymmetrical. A woman getting cheated on risks emotional betrayal. A man getting cheated on historically risked raising another man's child. That difference wires different anxieties into male psychology So yes, I scrutinize women more, not out of misogyny, but because the cost of misplaced trust has always been higher for men. Women evolved to select carefully. Men evolved to …
/r/PurplePillDebate30/04/25 10:44 PM
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Most people don’t wake up one day and think, “Monogamy isn’t for me because I deeply value radical honesty and connection with multiple souls.” No. For many, polyamory is just a pre-emptive strike against the guilt of cheating. It's a workaround. A lifestyle label for people who can’t or won’t commit to the discipline monogamy requires, but still want the emotional security of having a person, while keeping the door open for sexual variety. let’s not pretend this arrangement isn’t attractive pre…
/r/PurplePillDebate30/04/25 10:39 PM
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That’s a fair observation, and honestly, I don’t blame you for learning that early. A lot of women get burned by assuming sexual interest equals emotional depth. But swinging in the opposite direction, treating sex as totally emotionless, can sometimes lead to its own blind spots. The goal shouldn’t be to match men’s detachment, but to preserve your own values. Mimicking dysfunction just reinforces it. There’s absolutely nothing wrong with bonding through love instead of sex, in fact, that’s ide…
/r/PurplePillDebate30/04/25 04:56 PM
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And that’s fair, you’re describing your personal framework, and I respect that. But the entropy I’m talking about isn’t about individual intent, it’s about what patterns tend to emerge over time in the broader population. It’s not that people who have casual sex are bad or broken. It’s that the habit of engaging in emotionally low-investment sex can, over time, dull your sensitivity to the emotional weight sex can carry in a long-term relationship. Not always consciously, but gradually. Think of…
/r/PurplePillDebate30/04/25 04:52 PM
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The disloyalty I am referring to is not about cheating while single , it is about cultivating habits that conflict with long term emotional bonding. You say casual sex is not cheating and I agree. But it is a rehearsal. It trains your body and mind to decouple sex from emotional investment, which sounds harmless when you're single, but becomes a liability when you attempt to build something lasting. You asked how often. While exact figures vary, multiple studies on sociosexual orientation and lo…
/r/PurplePillDebate30/04/25 04:34 PM
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You are using personal experience as if it cancels out the broader psychological and behavioral patterns we are discussing. That is like saying you have driven drunk and never crashed, so drunk driving must be safe. You are the exception, not the rule. The point is not that every person who has casual sex will cheat. The point is that casual sex often reflects or reinforces certain traits that increase the statistical likelihood of betrayal in long term commitments. These traits include impulsiv…
/r/PurplePillDebate30/04/25 04:28 PM
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I think we’re splitting hairs here. Whether we call it "correlation with certain traits" or "unconscious altering," the outcome remains functionally the same. People who engage in casual sex often build habits and mindsets that make long-term monogamy more difficult. Whether that’s due to pre-existing traits or behavioral conditioning, the point is that they become less calibrated for emotional endurance. Think of it like this. A person who regularly lifts weights develops muscle. Now, was it be…
/r/PurplePillDebate30/04/25 04:25 PM
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You're right that human behavior is rarely explained by one variable. Cheating, like most forms of self-sabotage, is multicausal, meaning yes, personality, past, culture, trauma, opportunity, all those factors matter. But here's the pivot: multicausality doesn’t mean moral neutrality. It just means the pathways are complex. And in complexity, we can still identify patterns. Let me break it down: "Why assume casual sex rewires people?" Because that’s literally how neuroplasticity works. The brain…
/r/PurplePillDebate30/04/25 04:22 PM
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You say you never associated sex with emotion, even as a virgin. That tells me two things: You had already psychologically compartmentalized sex from intimacy. This isn’t “wrong,” per se, but it is indicative of a specific adaptation. And adaptations don’t occur in a vacuum. Detaching sex from emotion is a learned framework, not an inherent one. The default wiring for most humans, particularly women, whose bodies evolved to risk pregnancy is to intertwine sex with intimacy, pair bonding, and lon…
/r/PurplePillDebate30/04/25 04:16 PM
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Let me clarify... I’m not excusing male promiscuity, I’m explaining the difference in its implications. First, I don’t think anyone, male or female, who has conditioned themselves to treat sex casually is exempt from the risks that come with that mindset, especially in long-term pair bonding. I agree with you there. But the asymmetry I pointed to isn’t about morality. It’s about biological and social context, and how those shape what casual sex means for each sex, especially in evolutionary psyc…
/r/PurplePillDebate30/04/25 04:02 PM
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You're right to point out that not all relationships become boring, but I’d argue you’re viewing this from a personal exception, not the broader psychological or statistical reality. When I said “as it inevitably does,” I wasn’t implying that boredom is an automatic death sentence for all long-term relationships. I was referring to the natural entropy of novelty. The psychological mechanisms that make early-stage romance thrilling, dopamine spikes, idealization, novelty bias, do fade. That's not…
/r/PurplePillDebate30/04/25 03:57 PM
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This is a great story but it actually proves the exact point I was making. I completely see where you're coming from, and I actually agree with much of what you said especially the part about Frank. But here's the thing: your entire story reinforces my claim, not refutes it. You’ve drawn a clean comparison between two different psyches, one conditioned for stability, the other for chaos. What you’ve essentially shown is that Frank’s dysfunction expresses itself through casual sex. Which is preci…
/r/PurplePillDebate30/04/25 03:54 PM
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You're arguing that some people can have casual sex without compartmentalizing emotionally. I don't dispute that. But think about what has to be trained into the psyche for that to become possible. You have to uncouple a powerful, evolutionarily wired behavior sex from its historic emotional implications: bonding, attachment, exclusivity. That requires a level of emotional override, not neutrality. Now extrapolate that into a long-term relationship. What happens when the relationship hits a dry …
/r/PurplePillDebate30/04/25 03:48 PM
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Absolutely, we’re in alignment on a key point: casual sex is an indicator. The only disagreement, really, is where we place the diagnostic spotlight. You're right. Betrayal doesn’t originate only from casual sex. It originates from deeper traits, lack of discipline, inability to delay gratification, poor emotional regulation, a weak concept of sacrifice or honor, etc. But here's the rub...Casual sex is one of the clearest and most socially accepted vehicles for those traits to express themselves…
/r/PurplePillDebate30/04/25 03:44 PM
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Totally fair to note that pregnancy risk might weigh differently for someone who never wants kids. But the real weight of my argument wasn’t resting on baby-making, it was on habit formation. Casual sex isn't “risky” simply because of STDs or accidental pregnancy. It's risky because it rewires how people, especially women, relate to intimacy, emotional vulnerability, and delayed gratification. Think of it like this: If you train yourself to keep sex emotionally unanchored, disposable, and contex…
/r/PurplePillDebate30/04/25 03:38 PM
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That sounds principled in theory, but human behavior rarely follows clean logic when emotion and opportunity are involved. What you’re describing is a rationalist model of betrayal: that someone will always pause, reflect, and make a clean ethical break before acting on temptation. Unfortunately, psychology, and the divorce courts, suggest otherwise. Impulsivity, by definition, bypasses long-term thinking. It’s not about waking up and planning to cheat. It’s about failing to resist the pull of t…
/r/PurplePillDebate30/04/25 03:35 PM
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That wasn’t the point of my post. I wasn’t arguing that casual sex is dominant in terms of volume, I was arguing that it’s significant in terms of predictive value. In other words, my concern isn’t how many people are doing it, but what it tends to say about the people who do. And in dating, patterns matter more than percentages. I’m looking at it through a behavioral lens: What does participation in casual sex say about someone's impulse control, their appetite for novelty, their emotional wiri…
/r/PurplePillDebate30/04/25 03:20 PM
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Casual sex doesn’t cause cheating. But if you follow the data, and the behavior, it often predicts it. Casual sex is often a smokescreen for deeper dysfunction. People sell it as freedom, but nine times out of ten, it’s a proxy for impulsivity, emotional disregulation, and a liking for the more illicit things in life. The same emotional circuitry that allows someone to compartmentalize sex from intimacy is often the same circuitry that makes it easier to rationalize infidelity, sabotage healthy …
/r/PurplePillDebate30/04/25 02:42 PM
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Casual sex seems to be pretty common, and it’s entirely different from cheating. Casual sex is often just a convenient loophole for people who want to cheat without owning up to the consequences. They want the thrill, the physical satisfaction, and the freedom of exploring outside their relationship, all while avoiding the label of “cheating
/r/PurplePillDebate30/04/25 02:17 PM
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When women go for men who are smarter than them, or funnier than them, or more exciting than them, they run the risk of choosing a man who does not respect her. Women might be interested in a confident man even if they themselves are not, because he can compensate for her insecurities and they can live vicariously through him. However, treating dating with the maxim: "the more good qualities, the better!" will not endear him to you. You'll have more success if you evaluate how those qualities ma…
/r/PurplePillDebate29/04/25 02:13 AM
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Honestly, I don't think OP is entirely wrong, he just phrased it badly. What he’s trying to say is actually pretty common sense if you think about it. A lot of women pick guys based on how exciting, impressive, or "better" they seem, and then get confused when those guys don’t stick around. Meanwhile, nobody stops to question whether the problem was the way they chose in the first place. The thing is, excitement isn’t built on compatibility, it’s built on imbalance. You get excited about someone…
/r/PurplePillDebate29/04/25 02:13 AM
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Now I don’t really think it goes into extremes of “good girl” side vs “raw untamed” because that just sounds like. A mental illness. I wouldn't call it mental illness necessarily. Perhaps a personal anecdote would better serve to illustrate what I mean I dated this girl some time last year, She was good to me. Let me just be honest about that. She treated me exceptionally well, supportive, loyal, sweet. In many ways, she was the kind of partner people spend years hoping to find. But she also pla…
/r/PurplePillDebate26/04/25 12:08 AM
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You listed a bunch of TV shows that support your argument which is fine, but this is a cherry picked list. There are many examples of TV shows that support the opposing view. Also, your argument seems to be entirely based on TV yet the question is posed against society and TV is not necessarily society. It's entirely possible for a child to not watch TV and come out with very positive views of women, or negative views of women. TV may help reinforce those views, but at the end of the day it isn'…
/r/PurplePillDebate24/04/25 10:35 PM
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Finally someone who gets it
/r/PurplePillDebate22/04/25 09:36 PM
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I genuinely do want to raise a child that isn't mine. This was you
/r/PurplePillDebate22/04/25 08:47 PM
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Ppl are more likely to be honest in anonymous online platforms where they can't face judgemental looks
/r/PurplePillDebate22/04/25 07:30 PM
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Ppl are more likely to be honest in anonymous online platforms where they can't face judgemental looks
/r/PurplePillDebate22/04/25 07:29 PM
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It’s kinda wild that through all of this, not once did I see someone with “___ pill man” flair call out the dad for leaving I mean that's kind of To be expected. Over the course of observing men's opinions, you simply learn that a lot of them subconsciously think single motherhood is basically karma for a woman who has bad taste in men
/r/PurplePillDebate22/04/25 07:22 PM
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Youth is messy, loud, often reckless, and only in hindsight do we learn to appreciate things with more depth. No argument there. But here’s where I think the tension really lies: it’s not that men want to punish women for maturing. It’s that, by the time they’re seen as “valuable,” they don’t feel wanted. They feel used. Not intentionally, not maliciously, but functionally. Like a safe harbor when the storm’s already passed. A lot of men never got to be the storm. They never got to be the one sh…
/r/PurplePillDebate22/04/25 07:13 PM
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Reread your initial comment
/r/PurplePillDebate22/04/25 06:50 PM
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You can always adopt
/r/PurplePillDebate22/04/25 05:17 PM
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But those men with kids could still pull lots of women without kids. It's really not debatable that single moms have it harder than single fathers
/r/PurplePillDebate22/04/25 05:13 PM
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I've seen quite a lot say they don't one with kids. Possibly because they don't want their kids to be in competition with his kids for resources
/r/PurplePillDebate22/04/25 05:09 PM
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If you think what I said is debatable, I suppose I'll have to call it a day. Let's agree to disagree
/r/PurplePillDebate22/04/25 04:24 PM
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Because both genders would in general prefer someone without kids ideally if they themselves don't have any. How this is Debatable to you is just so funny to me
/r/PurplePillDebate22/04/25 04:17 PM
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A man who has options would typically pick a woman without kids, so a lot of the single mothers really can't pull a dude that has options with childless women not unless she is a 10
/r/PurplePillDebate22/04/25 04:03 PM
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why would a man fill in that backstory and hate before actually getting to know that woman? Because hatred rarely asks for a reason, it just needs a story that makes the hate feel righteous. That dynamic is less about the child and more about what the child represents: a life already lived, a path already chosen. And more often than not, that path didn’t include him. So when he says, “I don’t date single mothers,” it’s not always about logistics. It’s about dignity. About not wanting to be the c…
/r/PurplePillDebate22/04/25 03:40 PM
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The difference is a lot of those same men , would be willing to give a widow a chance, so clearly it's really not about the child
/r/PurplePillDebate22/04/25 03:36 PM
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I think the men who possess this hatred typically assume most single moms, were a consequence of bad boy train gone wrong, so the former
/r/PurplePillDebate22/04/25 03:24 PM
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Typically yes, that's why they're so bitter. Their only shot at romance is possibly after a woman becomes a single mother, and is more willing to compromise on certain areas
/r/PurplePillDebate22/04/25 03:22 PM
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Either way, I still maintain my position, no man wants to be a healed woman's consolation prize
/r/PurplePillDebate21/04/25 02:58 PM
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Pure in the sense that they want to be loved for who they are, not for the money, stability or emotional validation they provide. Something akin to what Chad (I'm using Chad loosely to mean the man a woman is wholeheartedly attracted to and in love with) gets.
/r/PurplePillDebate21/04/25 02:37 PM
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There are plenty of women out there looking for a funny, genuine, responsible guy. If this were true I doubt toxic dudes would even exists. It's unfortunately the case that a lot of male behavior is driven by female mate selection. Toxic assholes are simply a case of demand breeds supply
/r/PurplePillDebate21/04/25 06:28 AM
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That is true. Very few women are attracted to total peace in a relationship
/r/PurplePillDebate20/04/25 08:30 PM
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If it were, thugs would be virgins, toxic dudes would be virgins. Thing is, it's unfortunately the case that a lot of male behavior is driven by female mate selection. So toxic dudes are simply a case of demand breeds supply. If most women weren't attracted to toxic dudes, I think they would make a very tiny portion of the population if at all
/r/PurplePillDebate20/04/25 06:40 PM
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I mean your female friends in a relationship. Are they all passing up the “kind guy” for “hot adventurous men”? I have seen this once in my entire life among my peers. I have only ever seen a woman being demrawn to golden retriever type of dudes when she's hit 25+ or had a kid, the cautious ones, rewire their attraction early after the 1st heartbreak from a hot adventurous toxic dude, but sadly most don't, not until later on
/r/PurplePillDebate20/04/25 06:38 PM
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That gets to the heart of the matter doesn't it? Most women like to reinforce this idea that bad men are just deceptive mistakes that just happened but in reality they probably knew it wouldn't end but chose to go in any ways, I suppose that's what love does to people. A lot of women like to feel like good people, and admitting that being a good man has no bearing on attractiveness to women has some really bad optics
/r/PurplePillDebate20/04/25 06:35 PM
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Absolutely, it's possible, but that’s the keyword: possible, not typical. Those traits can coexist, but in reality, they often don’t. And when they do, those men are outliers, and usually in very high demand.
/r/PurplePillDebate20/04/25 06:32 PM
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Attractive to which women Most I women I would say. The things that most seem to gravitate towards are confidence, disagreeableness, cockiness, a willingness to put themselves first, men who have a liking to the more illicit things in life. Dating a guy like this is probably set to end in tears.
/r/PurplePillDebate20/04/25 06:30 PM
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“Choose better” doesn’t require an abundance of perfect partners; it just requires choosing less self-destructive ones. And let’s be real, some women don’t just trip and fall into bad relationships, they dive in headfirst, red flags and all, because bad men feel exciting. Too many women pass up good, decent men because they’re “boring,” “too nice,” or don’t provide the same emotional rollercoaster. Then, when that rollercoaster crashes, it’s somehow the dating pool’s fault? That's really all it …
/r/PurplePillDebate20/04/25 06:18 PM
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Thing is this, when you develop the traits that are attractive to women you inevitably end up becoming one of the men that women complain about
/r/PurplePillDebate20/04/25 05:59 PM
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Maybe they sense the pick me energy you exude and they get the ick. Women who prefer male friends tend to suffer from a severe case of main character syndrome
/r/PurplePillDebate20/04/25 03:15 PM
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. 1) I personally think everyone has a right to choose who they hang out with or not. As well as the fact that relationships need trust, and that rule seems very untrusting. If you can't trust your partner around other people, why are you in a relationship with them? The thing is, trusting someone doesn't necessarily make them infallible, you know? People lie, people are conniving, people keep secrets. I do not know what fantasy land you live on, but over 90% of the population have possibly lied…
/r/PurplePillDebate20/04/25 09:03 AM
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You know that pretty much all cars are test driven by other people, right? Yes and I'd prefer if the person that did test drive that car wasn't some trash human being. Why would you think that a rented sports car was better or more valued than the SUV someone chose to buy? The same reason why you shouldn't buy the cow when you can get the milk for Free agree* that women don’t want assholes any more, because they learned better what they actually want. You make it seem like they have to literally…
/r/PurplePillDebate20/04/25 03:05 AM
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Oh they are, you have no idea. That's one of the reasons relationship boys get so jealous of them
/r/PurplePillDebate20/04/25 02:44 AM
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If she's dated assholes, I automatically assume her interest in me is not genuine or raw in the same way. She probably thinks I'd make a good beta bucks which I'd rather not even entertain. I strictly prefer vetting for women who have a history of dating responsible dudes, if I'm interested in a fulfilling relationship. If she's dated an asshole, that's a pass for me
/r/PurplePillDebate20/04/25 01:28 AM
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Agreed. Although I have to say, very few men are able to get that balance, most just seem to fall on the extreme ends of the spectrum and I think that's one of the issues about modern dating. A lot of men are not able to become attractive to women without also ending up like the men women complain about
/r/PurplePillDebate20/04/25 12:44 AM
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Thoughts?
/r/PurplePillDebate20/04/25 12:30 AM
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Well it sounds like you’re expecting actual girls to “have it together” and “date with intention” from their first date, so maybe 14 or 15 years old? A lot of boys are actually like this in their formative years, I wonder why it's so different with girls. News flash, puberty doesn’t automatically imbue girls with psychic abilities Whatever happened to girls maturing faster than boys? Or having high EQ or better yet, female intuition? Nor does it make them prioritize the same things that they wil…
/r/PurplePillDebate20/04/25 12:27 AM
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Has it ever occured to some of you that the world doesn't revolve around the united States? And that there are other countries in the world, and Reddit is a global platform?
/r/PurplePillDebate19/04/25 11:00 PM
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He’s her first choice when her life and body are on the line. He’s her first choice when it counts. When it counts is upto the man to decide. JFC, do you think that a rented sports car is ‘better’ than the SUV you chose to buy? If another person especially a shitty asshole got to test drive my car, for free I'd be salty but hey maybe that's just me. And no, your type don’t GAF if her past beaus presented themselves as ‘nice guys.’ Why do women like to peddle this idea that bad men were just dece…
/r/PurplePillDebate19/04/25 10:42 PM
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That’s a lot of words for ‘I want to date a n 18 year old who doesn’t know any better.’ She can be as old as she wants as long as she doesn't have a history of dating men who I would approve of if we're their parent or sibling. Choosing recklessly’ IS playing games. You want to be a ‘player’ without the stigma of being a player. You want to date a hot young woman for her stupidity as well as her body, and you think that makes you somehow noble and romantic. No I want to date a woman who is not s…
/r/PurplePillDebate19/04/25 10:04 PM
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Either way here's the deal. It's in everyone's best interest that the toxic asshole doesn't get chosen first, because it's unfortunately the case that a lot of male behavior is driven by female mate selection. So if by principle, women have to choose the bad guy first inorder to learn what they don't like, don't be surprised when you have a single mother epidemic, or a society where men don't hold each other accountable. Toxic assholes are a case of demand breeds supply, and unless women smh evo…
/r/PurplePillDebate19/04/25 09:48 PM
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Are women supposed to choose better or not? Yes from the get go. That's the entire point. That they should treat partner selection with the seriousness it deserves from the get go
/r/PurplePillDebate19/04/25 09:18 PM
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Yeah agreed
/r/PurplePillDebate19/04/25 07:55 PM
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have dated a man that looks at women this way I'm curious, what you do you mean by looking at women this way?
/r/PurplePillDebate19/04/25 07:51 PM
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What advice would you offer him? Is it possible for him to tap into “Alpha Fucks™️” vibes? Is there any strategic optimization he can employ? Yes, but it requires killing the old self. He needs to: Learn to be the one who encourages all her worst impulses, like leaving school because fuck it, drink like crazy, drive like maniacs, have crazy raunchy sex together, sneak to go smoke some pot, learn to fuel her need to not want to be confined by human/societal rules anymore, be more susceptible to d…
/r/PurplePillDebate19/04/25 07:41 PM
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You’ve written all this flowery language just to say that you find older woman worn down, incapable of pure love, and consolation prizes for men who can’t get their younger first choice. As long as her preferences didn't drastically shift especially from exciting toxic guy ---> stable nice dude, she's fine. I believe the root issue among Rps is the idea of a woman's preferences conveniently changing with age
/r/PurplePillDebate19/04/25 07:04 PM
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This is a well-written comment, but it kind of dances around the real emotional subtext that drives conversations like this. You framed dating like a casual Goldilocks trial-and-error process, where people just try different personality types until they find the one that's “just right.” But that’s only part of the story, and conveniently skips over the very real pattern that many men are describing. See, it’s not projection when the data backs it up. It’s not projection when men consistently rep…
/r/PurplePillDebate19/04/25 06:50 PM
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You're not misreading it, you're just interpreting it through the lens of your own relationship, which sounds healthy, mutual, and, most importantly, timed right. No one’s mad at a relationship that organically starts when both people are still open, unjaded, and haven’t been worn down by their “era of chaos.” The issue isn't about not being someone's literal first. We're not children. It's about being someone's final resort after they’ve run themselves into the ground with every other type of g…
/r/PurplePillDebate19/04/25 06:44 PM
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Ah, the classic “you’re just mad because you can’t pull better” deflection, straight from the “Gaslight, Gatekeep, Girlboss” starter pack. I have this mental picture of you holding a wine glass and smirking. Let me be crystal clear: no man is mad that healed women exist. What men are tired of is being tasked with emotionally investing in women after the storm, after the chaos, after the years spent romanticizing dysfunction like it was a rite of passage. This isn’t about being “unable to attract…
/r/PurplePillDebate19/04/25 06:40 PM
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And this “he never competed” narrative is rich, considering it’s often spoken by people who, when those boys tried to compete, ignored them for having no “swag,” no “edge,/boring” or not being “a challenge," or "being too nice" in favor of the guy who was drawn to the more illicit things in life, was disagreeable, the one who encouraged all her worst impulses, the enabler of every reckless thought she's ever had, the one who whispered into her ear that life's too short for rules. So now that you…
/r/PurplePillDebate19/04/25 06:32 PM
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Sounds self-defeating. If you eliminate any woman who has ever dated before, This line of thinking supports the good ol nice guys finish last. It lends credence to the idea that subconsciously(perhaps through no fault of their own) women are drawn to toxic men. So when some of us men express discomfort about being positioned as a “healed woman’s reward,” it’s not coming from a place of misogyny or insecurity. It’s coming from a very human reaction to the idea that we’re only lovable after a woma…
/r/PurplePillDebate19/04/25 06:16 PM
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Surprisingly (/s), if you’re kind to women, there’s a higher chance they’ll want to be around you. Maybe even sleep with you. I think it's more accurate to say there's a higher chance she'll develop platonic feelings for you
/r/PurplePillDebate19/04/25 06:04 PM
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If you look at the men who have the highest bodycounts, you'll often learn that they are rarely kind. But just look at the guy who as been friend zoned by a woman, they're often these really meek, agreeable harmless men
/r/PurplePillDebate19/04/25 06:03 PM
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You're correct again, emotional maturity isn’t always tied to body count. But let’s not pretend patterns don’t matter. Some women do grow from their experiences. Others just accumulate baggage, rationalize it away, and then expect new partners to accept them "as is" while offering nothing close to the same level of grace in return. The issue isn’t purity culture. It’s cause and effect. Some men don’t want to be the rehab facility for women who made a pattern of bad romantic investments.The roman…
/r/PurplePillDebate19/04/25 05:56 PM
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If the grown woman must come with a history of dating really problematic men, then yes you are right I'm afraid and I think most men are. Men are realizing that being a healed woman’s reward is not a compliment, it’s a consequence. A consequence of her finally getting tired of men who never took her seriously, who used her, ghosted her, or fathered kids they don’t raise. And now that her tolerance for dysfunction is maxed out, you get the honor of proving not all men are the same. Some of us wan…
/r/PurplePillDebate19/04/25 05:47 PM
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You ever watched Sex/Life on Netflix? It’s a pretty telling case study for exactly why some men care about being the second choice. In the show, Billie has a husband who checks all the boxes, loving, stable, successful, loyal. She has the white picket fence life many women claim to want. But her heart? Her fantasies? her soul? Still thirsting for the man who used her like a toy and dipped. Still trapped in the past, on the guy who treated her like an option but gave her butterflies and chaos. Th…
/r/PurplePillDebate19/04/25 05:04 PM

You're asking the right questions, but you're interpreting my answers through a lens that assumes bitterness or entitlement. That’s not what this is about. It’s not about demanding validation, or suggesting women “owe” men relationships for being decent. It’s about patterns in behavior, and how consequences, or the lack thereof, shape those patterns. You asked: "Why must women fulfill these needs?" They don’t have to. But here’s the thing, when women repeatedly pursue certain types of men who ar…
/r/PurplePillDebate09/04/25 04:03 AM

By your logic women should all hate men because of the disproportionate amount of violence that Men (tm) inflict on people weaker than themselves. Why do you think some women date such men despite all their options, they find it hot when a man is controlling and toxic in that regard. Im
/r/PurplePillDebate09/04/25 03:15 AM

What consequences are women facing? Absolutely nothing. Single motherhood. That's the reason other men don't shame deadbeats. Because deadbeats act as proxies for revenge fantasies for men who've been hurt by women.
/r/PurplePillDebate09/04/25 03:13 AM

Believe it or not, a lot of men even the refilled ones would like to find a woman who they can connect to, spend time with a d in the interest of complete honesty a woman they can do right by
/r/PurplePillDebate09/04/25 03:12 AM

There are quite a lot of women who have rape fantasies
/r/PurplePillDebate09/04/25 03:07 AM

His comment has been removed, so I cant exactly quote it, but from what I remember it was entirely based off the premise that sex I'm the op of the comment, I am now realizing it's been deleted for violating one of the subs rules. so I cant exactly quote it, but from what I remember it was entirely based off the premise that sex is what women value the most in our lives when its literally not. So his assessments of womens behaviors —using incel language at that—were based off proving what he ass…
/r/PurplePillDebate09/04/25 03:04 AM

Why are you offering up all those things to a bad girl? This girl who you say is spending her youth chasing after evil, bullying men is not actually a nice person. It's not simply a case of her being a bad girl, it's a case of something being wrong with women's attraction triggers. The same bookish nerdy next door nice girl, just lives out her fantasies in fiction as opposed to the bad girls who are daring enough to experience it irl. The nice girl is getting wet over reading erotica where she g…
/r/PurplePillDebate09/04/25 02:52 AM

The difference? We don’t blame men for all of the problems in our lives when they all ask out the cheerleaders instead. The reason people complain about this is because as pathetic as it sounds a lot of male behavior is incentivized by female mate selection, this is why for a long time society tried to override a woman's choice. A world where the disagreeable fun, exciting selfish asshole is the one bedding all the women is a world where all men will turn out to be assholes like him. So it's in …
/r/PurplePillDebate09/04/25 02:35 AM

First, you’re talking as if all women are the same Not all women are the same I'll concede, the only women I've seen who were into good guys were probably asexual women. Let’s get real here, very few women are genuinely attracted to good guys. Sure, they might appreciate them, they might even respect them, but attraction? That's a different ballgame. Most women don’t find nice guys sexy at first. They don’t get that tingly feeling. They kinda have to teach themselves into liking him. They force …
/r/PurplePillDebate09/04/25 02:29 AM

I love how any time men point out a consistent pattern of behavior and try to understand it, boom, suddenly it's "projection" or "bitterness" or "you're obsessed with sex." Classic deflection move. It’s like women can have endless thinkpieces and support groups unpacking their emotional wounds and relationship traumas, but the second a guy critically reflects on how dating dynamics have affected him? Suddenly he needs therapy and a hobby. And no, no one said romantic relationships are the only g…
/r/PurplePillDebate09/04/25 02:20 AM

And that’s the essence of what Redpill is hammering home: you don’t get to have it both ways. You pick the bad boy, you’re saying goodbye to the comfort and security of the nice guy’s world ( I'm talking about real nice guys, not the made-up demonized version that women on Reddit like to peddle around). This is why there's a lot resentment inducing rhetoric in the manosphere. The point is to make these men feel mad enough to not be captain save a hoe. They want these women to face consequences f…
/r/PurplePillDebate08/04/25 11:08 PM

Agreed. The root cause of the bitterness among men, is women's preferences changing over time Women love to talk about how their tastes evolve over time, like one day they wake up and suddenly the guy with the 401k is hotter than the guy with the felony. But what’s really happening is that they’ve had their fun, lived out their wildest fantasies, and now they want the safety net they once rejected. And that’s what pisses guys off, being treated like the safe option after the bad boy has run her …
/r/PurplePillDebate08/04/25 11:08 PM
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It felt more like a rationalization more than a valid explanation, I mean it's ok to just admit you wanted to sleep around because you wanted to. It doesn't have to be this real deep thing that somehow makes you a victim. Because I felt overcoming systemic shame was empowering, Predictable in the sense that you had to make yourself a victim somehow
/r/PurplePillDebate07/04/25 06:25 AM
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It wasn't so much the sex just the context of her encounters that bothered me, if she'd had sex within the context of relationships I don't think it would have bothered me, there's just something really off putting about a woman giving herself intimately to men who see her as nothing more than a slut for night, call me weird but I think a situationship is basically an understanding that you both don't like you. Us women who are “a warm body” find men who love us, sexual past and all. I don't dis…
/r/PurplePillDebate07/04/25 06:22 AM
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Why is a relationship a sub par experience for you compared to sex with some stranger? Lemme try to explain if you are interested It's only a subpar experience if the woman in question has any history of casual sex, I think the ideal is if it's with a woman who has no history of casual sex. I remember dating this one girl some time back... I would sweep off her feet and take her breath away, wake her up in the middle of the night to show her the beauty of small things by taking her and kissing h…
/r/PurplePillDebate07/04/25 01:22 AM
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slept with people quickly because I was shamed for my sexuality and using it as I saw fit was empowering for me. For Lol, gosh. Why are women so predictable like this tho
/r/PurplePillDebate07/04/25 01:07 AM
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Isn't it a commonly accepted trope that women's preferences changes with age?
/r/PurplePillDebate07/04/25 01:05 AM

That is barbaric and imposes on your human rights to have autonomy over your body Oh she'll definitely have the choice to do what she wants, she just won't have anyone else bail her out for her decision to birth that child, this will be good because they'll have to choose between suffering in abject poverty or aborting, I believe most women will choose aborting unwanted kids to avoid poverty this is a good choice imo But because the baby is INSIDE the mother, you cannot just ‘remove it’ easily w…
/r/PurplePillDebate28/03/25 08:12 AM

That is like saying, disabled people who cant work should just suffer in poverty because they should work if they want money. Of course they should work, Society just pities them and offers them favours, they ought to be grateful not entitled. You dont seem to understand that the mother is usually out of work to look after it. All the more reason why it should be aborted. It's so cruel to bring a child into the world knowing it is unwanted. Your solution is to let mother and baby live in poverty…
/r/PurplePillDebate28/03/25 07:41 AM

These men do not walk around with their intentions on display. A man who's not interested in becoming a present stable father figure is pretty easy to spot. Women will just have to evolve to rely on other markers besides vibes and chemistry when it comes to making the choice to engage in baby making activities. Young women are vulnerable, naive and inexperienced. So that whole female intuition and EQ is BS now? Women are attracted to a lot of traits that unfortunately can be used for evil (confi…
/r/PurplePillDebate27/03/25 11:25 PM

This would mean there would be heaps of children and single mothers who need to rely on the government for money… Now you see why there is this law. Easier coming out of the fathers pocket than the economy. I'm og the opinion that of you take away the child support the default choice will always be abortion when a child is not mutually agreed upon, this would solve the single mother crisis and ensuree kids are raised in stable households with parents who made the choice to create them instead of…
/r/PurplePillDebate27/03/25 11:18 PM

, if the mother walked out and left the baby with the father then she would have to pay child support. Which makes sense unless she didn't consent to birth the baby. I repeat if a child is not mutually agreed upon the default choice should be abortion (which the man pays for sinces he's only responsible for the clump of cells, a fully baked baby is entirely on the woman and her body) otherwise the one who wants the child take care of it both personally and financially, that is fair
/r/PurplePillDebate27/03/25 11:13 PM

protecting the child you have produced. Except he didn't. That was the woman's body that did, it's her body that prepared the 2 Reproductive materials to become a full baked baby. Her body is to blame
/r/PurplePillDebate27/03/25 09:20 PM

That’s equality. If the baby is born both are required to care for it That should only be the case if the kid was mutually agreed to, otherwise the one that wanted should pay for it. I think that's the fairest line in this debate
/r/PurplePillDebate27/03/25 09:12 PM

The consequences of birthing a child that is not mutually agreed to, should be solo responsibility both personally and financially for said child
/r/PurplePillDebate27/03/25 09:10 PM

You're trying to equate financial abortion with physical abortion, but the comparison fails because one affects the body and the other doesn’t. The comparison stands because they are both driven by the same motivation to not have to care for a child, when one is not ready You only focus on women's responsibility while ignoring men's. Because they have the initial choice to prevent birth. Your "reward structure" argument is nonsense. Single mothers don’t benefit from child support; An argument co…
/r/PurplePillDebate27/03/25 09:02 PM

If you really believe men should have more reproductive rights, fight for things like early ‘financial abortions’—but don’t use that as an excuse to run from responsibility. Because right now, all you’re saying is, ‘If I can’t force a woman to have a kid, I should be able to abandon mine.’ That’s not equality, that’s just being a deadbeat with extra steps. I'm all for treating women as people who are competent, responsible, and capable of meaningful choices. That's why I think unilateral choices…
/r/PurplePillDebate27/03/25 08:57 PM

Imagine a woman gives birth and then leaves the baby at the father’s doorstep, disappearing forever. Would you say she should have no legal or financial responsibility? If not, why should a man get that privilege? Depends, did he agree to the birth of the child? If yes then should pay, if No, the woman should be tracked down and made to pay for the kids welfare in a foster system
/r/PurplePillDebate27/03/25 08:56 PM

Also would encourage fathers to abandon their children, to impregnate women with no consequences, Yes this can actually be a good thing, it will force women to perform due diligence before making permanent life decisions
/r/PurplePillDebate27/03/25 08:54 PM

This just wouldnt work in reality. The baby is dependant on its mother so in many cases she is out of work, who is going to pay for the baby? The government? Ok then taxes are going to be raised significantly to cover all of the babies who need paying for. The default choice if a baby is not mutually agreed upon should be abortion, otherwise the one who wants it should pay for it. If the father wanted no part of it, and expressed it to the mother, and the mother decided she wanted to keep the ba…
/r/PurplePillDebate27/03/25 08:53 PM

Why not have a whoever wants it should pay for it policy?
/r/PurplePillDebate27/03/25 08:51 PM
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Idk I just think If women were honest about wanting to be treated as humans, they'd acknowledge that they themselves are capable of cheating, capable of acting selfishly, and as such they would see the necessity of Standard paternity tests.
/r/PurplePillDebate24/03/25 12:25 AM
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The simple reality is that only one party in this equation can ever be mistaken about their biological relationship to the child. A mother knows the child is hers by default. A father does not. That’s not dehumanization; that’s basic biology.
/r/PurplePillDebate24/03/25 12:24 AM
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Personally I would. I'm just invested in displaying the hypocrisy behind alot of women's thought processes. They rant all day about wanting to be treated like humans, but deep down they really don't want to. They like to be pedestalized as virtuous angels who can do no wrong
/r/PurplePillDebate24/03/25 12:21 AM
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That’s a false equivalence. A paternity test isn’t about policing morality or trust, it’s about verifying an objective fact. A DNA test confirms something tangible: whether a child is biologically yours. If anything, making paternity testing standard at birth protects everyone. It prevents fathers from being unknowingly deceived, spares children from painful identity crises down the road, and even clears innocent women of suspicion before it ever becomes an issue. The only people who have a prob…
/r/PurplePillDebate24/03/25 12:18 AM
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The difference is a man cheating doesn't have the potential of making the wife raise another woman's child unwittingly. The reasons female cheating will always be considered the worser of two evils is due to it potential to create paternity fraud
/r/PurplePillDebate24/03/25 12:15 AM
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Most feminists would agree that a woman married to a man should have her own bank account that her husband cannot access, just in case she needs to leave the marriage. What if the husband said, "It hurts my feelings that you don't trust me not to be abusive" or "It hurts my feelings that you don't trust our marriage to last" or "If you don't trust me, why are you married to me?" Most feminists recognize that the husband's hurt feelings do not outweigh the importance of the wife being able to lea…
/r/PurplePillDebate24/03/25 12:11 AM
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There are a large number of people who never suspected their spouse of cheating and yet it turns out "their" kid is not actually theirs. It happens all the time. What is the harm in making sure a kid is actually yours as soon as possible? Won't it be much more devastating for all parties if you find out a few years down the line?
/r/PurplePillDebate24/03/25 12:10 AM
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The only reason to be upset is if you think you're an angel incarnate, who could possibly never ever cheat or act selfishly in any context whatsoever no matter what
/r/PurplePillDebate24/03/25 12:05 AM
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My point is, if you concede the flawed nature of human beings you'd acknowledge the necessity of Standard paternity test. The only reason I could think of, if someone doesn't see them as necessary, is if they believe that women are special little angels who can do no wrong
/r/PurplePillDebate24/03/25 12:03 AM
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Most women, outside of substance abuse, are in good relationships. Is a relationship still good if cheating is involved? I've noticed that nearly most if not all women end up getting cheated on especially in their early 20s, I'm not sure if that has more to do with the guys they choose or something
/r/PurplePillDebate24/03/25 12:01 AM
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Tbh I think it’s laughable to suggest women are not asking themselves those questions and discussing with other women. Considering a large proportion of women end up dating one of these assholes at some point in their life time, I think it's safe to say they are not having enough of these conversations
/r/PurplePillDebate23/03/25 11:57 PM
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I guess my real point is a healthy skepticism in your partner on such an important issue doesn't seem so bad when the downside of not getting such a test done has such terrible ramifications.
/r/PurplePillDebate23/03/25 11:55 PM
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It's a travesty that rhetoric like this has turned paternity testing into some kind of accusation. Performing due diligence before investing hundreds of thousands of dollars is simply par for the course. In no other context is it acceptable or sane to spend $250k+ and thousands of hours of your life based upon someone's word when there's no need for that word in the first place over a simple and accessible test. It's really that simple. Parenthood is a large monetary and time investment and we o…
/r/PurplePillDebate23/03/25 11:54 PM
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This opinion always made me wonder whether women are honest about wanting to be treated as humans . For a group of people who claim to want equality, women sure seem allergic to being treated like regular human beings. And nowhere is this more evident than in the conversation around paternity testing. Y'alls stance on paternity fraud and DNA testing suggests you guys expect an almost divine level of trust, as if y'all are incapable of deception, misjudgment, or wrongdoing. Does trusting someone …
/r/PurplePillDebate23/03/25 11:54 PM
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A lot of male behavior is actually incentivized by female mate selection
/r/PurplePillDebate22/03/25 06:40 PM
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I guess my real point is a healthy skepticism in your partner on such an important issue doesn't seem so bad when the downside of not getting such a test done has such terrible ramifications.
/r/PurplePillDebate22/03/25 06:24 PM
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When only 3% of cases is actual paternity fraud, it isn’t happening that much is it? Good job downplaying men's problems. If it doesn't happen that often we don't even need to care about it, right? It's the men's fault for getting cucked, right? Considering all the abuse women go through at the hands of men they deserve the right to cheat and get pregnant by whoever they want, right? If you’re in a marriage or long term relationship though and there has never been any reason to doubt each other …
/r/PurplePillDebate22/03/25 06:23 PM
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It's a travesty that rhetoric like this has turned paternity testing into some kind of accusation. Performing due diligence before investing hundreds of thousands of dollars is simply par for the course. In no other context is it acceptable or sane to spend $250k+ and thousands of hours of your life based upon someone's word when there's no need for that word in the first place over a simple and accessible test. It's really that simple. Parenthood is a large monetary and time investment and we o…
/r/PurplePillDebate22/03/25 05:44 PM
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Trust goes both ways, the fundamentals of a relationship is trust and if you don't have it a relationship will not work Sure, but trust isn’t a substitute for verification in high-stakes situations. Trust also "goes both ways" in financial matters, but no one expects blind faith when signing a contract or taking a loan. In a healthy marriage or relationship, there is no need for paternity tests, This is the No True Scotsman fallacy, defining a “healthy” relationship as one where a man blindly tr…
/r/PurplePillDebate22/03/25 05:29 PM
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The most interesting take away from this discourse, is how close it relates to the women-are-wonderful effect. See, if women truly wanted to be treated as equals, as human beings, they’d embrace accountability the same way men are expected to. Humans make mistakes. Humans lie. Humans deceive, sometimes intentionally, sometimes in ways they justify to themselves. But the way women respond to the mere suggestion of a paternity test tells a different story. It suggests they don’t want to be viewed …
/r/PurplePillDebate22/03/25 11:33 AM
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Do you think women are human or do you consider them more of angels? There is no need for them to become standardised, majority of dads aren't worried they are raising a baby that isn't theirs or that their children don't have a '"complete family medical history" It's really not uncommon for women to compromise on attraction and marry dudes they're not intensely attracted to. Infact it's pretty much the norm
/r/PurplePillDebate22/03/25 10:18 AM
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You are trying to argue for something that isn't necessary, it would be a waste of tax payers money especially considering Aren't single mothers on well fare also a waste of tax payer money?
/r/PurplePillDebate22/03/25 10:07 AM
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The most interesting take away from this discourse, is how close it relates to the women-are-wonderful effect. See, if women truly wanted to be treated as equals, as human beings, they’d embrace accountability the same way men are expected to. Humans make mistakes. Humans lie. Humans deceive, sometimes intentionally, sometimes in ways they justify to themselves. But the way women respond to the mere suggestion of a paternity test tells a different story. It suggests they don’t want to be viewed …
/r/PurplePillDebate22/03/25 09:31 AM
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The most interesting take away from this discourse, is how close it relates to the women-are-wonderful effect. See, if women truly wanted to be treated as equals, as human beings, they’d embrace accountability the same way men are expected to. Humans make mistakes. Humans lie. Humans deceive, sometimes intentionally, sometimes in ways they justify to themselves. But the way women respond to the mere suggestion of a paternity test tells a different story. It suggests they don’t want to be viewed …
/r/PurplePillDebate22/03/25 09:30 AM
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I give a bigger fuck about my husband trusting and respecting me enough to not think l am a whore capable of lying to him for years This opinion always made me wonder whether women are honest about wanting to be treated as humans . For a group of people who claim to want equality, women sure seem allergic to being treated like regular human beings. And nowhere is this more evident than in the conversation around paternity testing. Y'alls stance on paternity fraud and DNA testing suggests you guy…
/r/PurplePillDebate22/03/25 09:24 AM
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Granted, he's still young, and he's a handsome kid, so who knows, hopefully he will have looks on his side. All women think their sons are handsome
/r/PurplePillDebate22/03/25 06:58 AM
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Because power is an ultimate aphrodisiac, and deep down, men know it. Even if they don't say it out loud. Even if their egos won’t let them acknowledge it. No, Putin isn’t invading Ukraine solely to impress women. But take away female desire, take away the evolutionary drive to outcompete other men, and suddenly, ambition collapses. The hunger for power would dull. The game wouldn't be worth playing anymore. A man’s desire for women is the engine, the specific road he takes to get there varies. …
/r/PurplePillDebate22/03/25 12:25 AM
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Absolutely. But not in the way you're probably imagining, like some cartoon villain rubbing his hands together thinking, "Soon, all the women will be mine!" It's deeper than that. Power, influence, and status are primal currencies in human society, and they are overwhelmingly male-driven pursuits. Why? Because they provide access, to resources, to security, to legacy... and yes, to women. Even if a man thinks he's chasing power for the sake of ambition, respect, or legacy, peel back enough layer…
/r/PurplePillDebate22/03/25 12:25 AM
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Then how come men with that golden retriever energy only ever get chosen after a woman's preferences have matured with age?? If seems to be the case that a lot of assholes do get women when they are young but I could be wrong tho
/r/PurplePillDebate20/03/25 10:36 AM
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Is the idea here that there aren’t good-natured men who are confident, assured, playful, flirty, non-neurotic, and sociable? That golden retriever energy maybe something that perhaps alot of women enjoy and love or value, but it isn't necessarily the thing that gets them panties wet
/r/PurplePillDebate20/03/25 04:45 AM
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Sure, it's one of the reasons women step out in marriages or why dead bedrooms happen
/r/PurplePillDebate20/03/25 04:42 AM
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It's really not uncommon for women to compromise on attraction in favor of a safe stable option once they get older. Imo, the number one reason a lot of women step out in marriages or dead bedroom their husbands, is because deep down the guy wasn't her ideal choice, she had to settle
/r/PurplePillDebate20/03/25 04:11 AM
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