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It sounds like she's going to waste her time paying attention to this man being just platonic friends. Not that it can never work, but it can't work for her in this situation. She'd be better off focusing on other men, and when she falls in love with some other dude, then consider if she wants to pick up her friendship with this guy again. He has been in a few long relationships (just got out of one) The details really matter here. The "with you" part is often, but not always, silent.
/r/PurplePillDebate18/09/21 11:25 PM
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get off OLD and start cold approaching, you fucking pussy. I did, and it didn't work.
/r/PurplePillDebate18/09/21 11:19 PM
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Perhaps we are in different age and social groups, because no one I know expects their partner to be a supermodel. doesn't contradict what i said: "attractive" has been redefined to the point where it is unrealistically obtainable No, I'm not. you are. you said Flirting is inappropriate if its unwarranted the only way to know if your flirting is really unwanted or not is to try it and find out. this makes it inevitable that the flirting will eventually be unwanted at least once. so, a man must, …
/r/PurplePillDebate18/09/21 11:08 PM
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I don't think that it's as difficult to be social as you seem to think that it is. I don't think you have an accurate understanding of reality for these kinds of men. it really is very difficult for many of them. if you live life on tutorial mode then yes, it isn't very difficult to be social.
/r/PurplePillDebate18/09/21 10:45 PM
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You'll meet women in person if you have friends, have a life, have activities to do, are sociable, and at least try to be attractive easier said than done many people already have full lives, they don't need more friends, they're busy with work their own families. "attractive" has been redefined to the point where it is unrealistically obtainable Flirting is inappropriate if its unwarranted, you've got to learn how to read the room. the only way to tell if flirting is unwanted is to do it and th…
/r/PurplePillDebate18/09/21 10:33 PM
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the part you're missing is that the men watching Twitch, or sports, or whatever, are not choosing that as their first choice; sex/dating/whatever isn't an option so they fill their time in other ways.
/r/PurplePillDebate18/09/21 10:15 PM
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"Female sexual frequency is essentially unchanged since 2000. In other words, a key piece of the incel story about rising female promiscuity just isn’t there." they really misunderstand "the incel story." women continue to have as much sex as they've always wanted, now they're just having it with only the most attractive men, leaving the rest sexless is well within the realm of what incels say.
/r/PurplePillDebate18/09/21 10:13 PM
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women make it hard to meet them in person even if you meet them, it is often inappropriate to try to date them, flirt with them there are severe consequences / punishment for men if a woman decides his attention is unwanted. it just takes one honest mistake with a reasonable woman, or one crazy woman, and a man's life could be ruined.
/r/PurplePillDebate18/09/21 10:09 PM
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I don't think that as many men are fostering the social connections necessary because they don't have to. to have social connections you have to have other people who want social connections with you, and it only takes one person to stonewall. i don't think your theory is particularly important, but if anything, these men are not invited, rather than not trying.
/r/PurplePillDebate18/09/21 09:36 PM
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It’s also due to ppl not feeling economically secure enough to think longterm and plan for a joint union, or attract another into one. the second part, for sure. the economic crisis made a larger proportion of men "not marriage material" simply due to lower income/wealth. in black communities it is more exaggerated.
/r/PurplePillDebate18/09/21 08:50 PM
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video games are a much larger problem because ... more of a symptom than a cause
/r/PurplePillDebate18/09/21 08:47 PM
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it's the rise unrealistic standards of women that's the real issue.
/r/PurplePillDebate18/09/21 08:45 PM
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what's driving the decline of youthful marriage is high cost of schooling stagnant wages high inflation of housing costs
/r/PurplePillDebate18/09/21 08:33 PM
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If I had a dollar for every time a man here shut me down with “nooooooooo, it’s all about looks, personality doesn’t matter, chemistry doesn’t matter, flirting doesn’t matter, blah blah” Those other things only matter after looks.
/r/PurplePillDebate18/09/21 08:16 PM
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Don't make things personal. Cool. So, people shouldn't be saying things like Sex isn’t a “need to get off” thing for me, it’s about wanting and being wanted I'll report the comment that was made in in a minute.
/r/PurplePillDebate18/09/21 02:38 AM
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choosing to be repulsed. they are to blame. period. i'm glad you believe women are to blame. i don't get to choose, and neither do most men.
/r/PurplePillDebate18/09/21 12:28 AM
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Did you try step 2 of selling it to lower bidders? Why not be gay?
/r/PurplePillDebate17/09/21 07:55 PM
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Right, so men are justified in blaming women for their lack of sex.
/r/PurplePillDebate17/09/21 07:55 PM
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happens all the time to me on this sub
/r/PurplePillDebate17/09/21 07:44 PM
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Men can blame the standard and hope that changes it, or they can meet it. What if they can't meet it? Suicide?
/r/PurplePillDebate17/09/21 07:40 PM
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You can be sad about it or figure out why no one wants your supply or sell to lower bidders. and when you figure out why, and still can't do anything about it then what? it's the same situation as before.
/r/PurplePillDebate17/09/21 07:36 PM
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Manipulating men into doing their bidding was key to their survival, today its normalised. Which is fine btw. I disagree with that last part.
/r/PurplePillDebate17/09/21 07:35 PM
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Yes. then women are to blame for male sexlessness.
/r/PurplePillDebate17/09/21 07:34 PM
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ok, so everyone should be prevented from having a happy relationship? prevented from knowing of the existence of the possibility?
/r/PurplePillDebate17/09/21 07:10 PM
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do women have agency or no?
/r/PurplePillDebate17/09/21 07:08 PM
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Yup, there's an internal contradiction. "improve yourself" OK, so women have no agency, and are just sex vending machines, and I just have to put enough self improvement coins in, and I'll automatically get sex? "no, women are people, they choose who they have sex with" OK, so women are to blame for male sexlessness, since they could change it by just changing their choices? "no, you have to improve yourself."
/r/PurplePillDebate17/09/21 06:57 PM
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Hurts too much be be alone and dealing with the loss of the person you most loved you don't need a relationship to be happy
/r/PurplePillDebate17/09/21 06:52 PM
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Again, no one needs to be saved from feeling sad about the death of a loved one. You're 100% right, and if you ever directly ask therapists they'll say the same thing. Try telling your therapist that his job is to make you less sad, and see what he has to say.
/r/PurplePillDebate16/09/21 10:33 PM
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Yes you can. You seek therapy. how do you tell someone you know nothing about therapy without telling them you know nothing about therapy
/r/PurplePillDebate16/09/21 10:31 PM
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actually, with good technique you mostly use your legs
/r/PurplePillDebate16/09/21 04:39 PM
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Nah. They’re only unreasonable when it comes to black pill content. anything they don't like it "black pill."
/r/PurplePillDebate16/09/21 04:34 PM
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mods here are a joke, they only care about pushing their anti-men agenda.
/r/PurplePillDebate16/09/21 03:31 PM
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I'm glad you're just as disgusted with those women as I am.
/r/PurplePillDebate15/09/21 08:17 PM
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The mods see this as then the mods should stop being incel edgelords
/r/PurplePillDebate15/09/21 07:27 PM
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what is disgusting is the women who commit fraud
/r/PurplePillDebate15/09/21 07:26 PM
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Be civil
/r/PurplePillDebate15/09/21 05:02 PM
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censorship on this sub is unreal. this is not a place for debate. here's the text of my post that was quietly removed: CMV: women who insist the man pays on the first date are really prostitutes committing fraud The title, basically. These women are the ones who make sex and relationships transactional. Sex is contingent on a transfer of resources, so they are prostitutes. They dupe men with some version of fraud: vague promises, suggestiveness, etc. The best sub-type of these women actually hav…
/r/PurplePillDebate15/09/21 04:55 PM
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you don't get to say what the "point" is. fraud is fraud.
/r/PurplePillDebate15/09/21 03:56 PM
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wow, such entitlement.
/r/PurplePillDebate15/09/21 03:56 PM
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deal with it
/r/PurplePillDebate15/09/21 12:13 AM
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so, you agree with the title?
/r/PurplePillDebate15/09/21 12:10 AM
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so, you agree with the title?
/r/PurplePillDebate15/09/21 12:10 AM
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Yes, it’s very normal for a woman to expect the man to spend money on her/show that he provide
/r/PurplePillDebate15/09/21 12:06 AM
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Men my age dont whine over a $20 dinner. $20 times 100s of first dates
/r/PurplePillDebate15/09/21 12:02 AM
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So much uproar over a darn dinner... LOL as if it only happened one time... LOL
/r/PurplePillDebate14/09/21 11:58 PM
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Men are thirstier; deal with it women get raped; deal with it ... doesn't sound very nice, huh?
/r/PurplePillDebate14/09/21 11:57 PM
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Yes, it’s very normal for a woman to expect the man to spend money on her/show that he provide you think it's normal for women to be prostitutes?
/r/PurplePillDebate14/09/21 11:56 PM
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And if you’re gonna act nitpicky over a $5 coffee or $10 drink, what else are you gonna keep score over, huh? If you insist on me paying for every little thing, what standard does that set for the rest of the relationship? YOU ARE NOT ENTITLED TO A $5 coffee or $10 drink
/r/PurplePillDebate14/09/21 11:54 PM
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So are men who pay for dates johns? for these women: if they actually have sex then yes, otherwise, they're victims of fraud. Or maybe men shouldn’t be assuming that paying for a date will automatically get them laid. we're talking about a particular kind of woman in this post. please keep it on topic.
/r/PurplePillDebate14/09/21 11:07 PM
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oh, it's not at all vague, just not stated literally.
/r/PurplePillDebate14/09/21 11:05 PM
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prostitution with extra steps. at casinos you don't literally bet with currency, you use chips.
/r/PurplePillDebate14/09/21 11:03 PM
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only "extreme" in that I'm making explicit what is already going on.
/r/PurplePillDebate14/09/21 11:02 PM
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what are you talking about? i told you how you can avoid being "forced" to "let him pay."
/r/PurplePillDebate14/09/21 11:02 PM
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"escort" is a prostitute. everyone knows this.
/r/PurplePillDebate14/09/21 10:59 PM
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fraud in all sorts of vague ways, I addressed this already. funny how there has to be an iron clad promise for sex when it's women committing fraud, but when a man breaks up with a woman some time after sex, he's automatically a manipulator who lied to her about wanting a relationship.
/r/PurplePillDebate14/09/21 10:58 PM
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right, so saying "maybe it's a cultural difference" makes no point, because it's no real difference at all.
/r/PurplePillDebate14/09/21 10:43 PM
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because then you don't "have" to "let" the man pay.
/r/PurplePillDebate14/09/21 10:43 PM
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fraud comes in when there are vague suggestions that it might lead to something else, which is 100% of the time, because of the context.
/r/PurplePillDebate14/09/21 10:42 PM
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Also, no one is forcing you to pay never was a point, the point is fraud
/r/PurplePillDebate14/09/21 10:40 PM
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Whoever asks/suggests to go out is expected to cover and then you rotate. the long term nature makes it even out, the same as splitting each time.
/r/PurplePillDebate14/09/21 10:38 PM
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That's you benefitting more than them because you picked them and you wanted the date and you picked where it would be. then suggest your own place or decline the date
/r/PurplePillDebate14/09/21 10:35 PM
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or just don't accept dates to places you can't afford to pay your own way in.
/r/PurplePillDebate14/09/21 10:21 PM
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that is the grift
/r/PurplePillDebate14/09/21 10:19 PM
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weak argument about semantics, and yes, i might be that specific with a friend.
/r/PurplePillDebate14/09/21 10:19 PM
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we all know what is really going on
/r/PurplePillDebate14/09/21 10:18 PM
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It’s your choice to pay for the dinner date or not. There was no agreement at the start for any type of exchange. that "well, technically ..." argument is part of the scam.
/r/PurplePillDebate14/09/21 10:12 PM
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How is it a fraud if the man asks me to go to dinner and selects the time and place? What other occasion does that happen in which the asker does not pay? another person had a great response that I agree with: it happens when you go out with any normal friend. the expectation is that you either 1) pay for yourself, 2) suggest something else you can afford, or 3) say no.
/r/PurplePillDebate14/09/21 10:05 PM
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a bad reason
/r/PurplePillDebate14/09/21 10:02 PM
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He pays because he likes me and wants to do something nice to me. that way of thinking is part of the grift
/r/PurplePillDebate14/09/21 10:02 PM
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You’re paying for consideration/lack of rejection, not sex insisting that is the case is part of the grift
/r/PurplePillDebate14/09/21 09:58 PM
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like why would I plan, find a place, make a reservation, etc and then ask them to pay 1/2? because you don't get into that situation in the first place, as the other person. you made a straw man argument. I don't think you're arguing in good faith. bye.
/r/PurplePillDebate14/09/21 09:51 PM
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Generally; when I ask someone out I’m paying for the date and it is almost always men who do the asking out. you didn't discover some cheat code, let's be real.
/r/PurplePillDebate14/09/21 09:44 PM
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yes
/r/PurplePillDebate14/09/21 09:42 PM
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So, you agree with me, and you violated the sub's rules?
/r/PurplePillDebate14/09/21 09:37 PM
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ok? i'm talking about a specific type of woman. if you want to talk about other kinds of women you can make your own post to do that.
/r/PurplePillDebate14/09/21 09:33 PM
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I'm a firm believer and whoever asks for the day is the one that should pay for it This has already been outted as a cop-out for "the man pays." Get real.
/r/PurplePillDebate14/09/21 09:32 PM
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I think it should be a decision made by the both of them. how does that happen when the other person believes you should pay 100%?
/r/PurplePillDebate14/09/21 09:29 PM
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I don’t believe in insisting the other pays but it is simply a first date. you believe the woman should always pay?
/r/PurplePillDebate14/09/21 09:25 PM
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Helping him hook up is something important? sounds like you aren't a very good friend to this guy
/r/PurplePillDebate14/09/21 09:21 PM
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I don't understand
/r/PurplePillDebate14/09/21 09:19 PM
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you hear info about your friend's friends, you will most likely meet them, and you can try to make things happen, assuming youre not because that never happens, and I'm not any of your exceptions
/r/PurplePillDebate14/09/21 09:18 PM
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that's what blue pill says
/r/PurplePillDebate12/09/21 07:40 PM
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then separate from your wife and be single. show us. however, 17 year is a long time. you'd need to really un-do those years and live them as a single person.
/r/PurplePillDebate11/09/21 01:15 AM
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So, give up your relationship and be happy
/r/PurplePillDebate11/09/21 01:14 AM
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Sure, romantic relationships are important to happiness. *But there are other sources, * So? If there are all these other sources of happiness, then let's have people in relationships just use those too. I mean, if it's good enough for single people then why not them too? Long and short of it is that he never appreciates what he has and always fantasizes about having more. OK, so let's take away what you have and you can learn to stop wanting more. Deal? What are you going to give up?
/r/PurplePillDebate08/09/21 07:30 PM
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when was the last time you hired a prostitute?
/r/PurplePillDebate08/09/21 06:22 PM
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you live in a fantasy world
/r/PurplePillDebate08/09/21 06:07 PM
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I'm extremely introverted, not shy, just usually prefer spending time alone than with other people, you aren't the kind of person i'm talking about, you're an exception to the rule, i guess.
/r/PurplePillDebate08/09/21 05:58 PM
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about 40
/r/PurplePillDebate08/09/21 05:57 PM
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not a realistic option
/r/PurplePillDebate08/09/21 05:57 PM
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But relying on other people as your sole source of happiness isn’t healthy. OK, not "sole source" just a very important source. So, now you agree with me, the OP?
/r/PurplePillDebate08/09/21 05:47 PM
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Wanting to be happy, that I can agree with. How to be happy, that is where the arguments start. The science on what makes people happy is pretty settled. What makes a lot of people a lot of happy is a good relationship, and not having one makes them less happy than they would be otherwise.
/r/PurplePillDebate08/09/21 05:44 PM
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Are you a woman? A lot of single men don't have realistic options for sex outside of a relationship.
/r/PurplePillDebate08/09/21 05:42 PM
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I think you always have to take into account that getting into and maintaining a relationship comes with costs in time, OK, let's take it into account: what's changed?
/r/PurplePillDebate08/09/21 05:41 PM
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You're forgetting the biggest part of it. I wouldn't be happy in a randomly assigned relationship. I'm sorry, I don't follow.
/r/PurplePillDebate08/09/21 05:41 PM
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Romantic relationships aren't the only type of relationship. Are all those other types of relationships a substitute for a romantic relationship?
/r/PurplePillDebate08/09/21 05:38 PM
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stop projecting, it's really unattractive
/r/PurplePillDebate08/09/21 05:19 PM
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No not at all, you are putting way too much emphasis on having a relationship and how much happiness The science on what makes humans happy is well settled. You don't get to tell people what they want, what is "too much emphasis" or otherwise. My original post is Hey married people: you put too much emphasis having a relationship, so get divorced. If it's true for single people it's also true for people in relationships.
/r/PurplePillDebate08/09/21 04:19 PM
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Again, negativity. No one wants to date that. I'm just making your position explicit. ok, no i'm all positive now who wants to date me? oh, still no one. I don't have a "negative attitude" I'm just honest. Your stuck in binary. Tell that to someone who just got out of a 10 year relationship they felt stuck in. I bet you they are gonna say they are much happier now than they were in the relationship. I am only talking about good relationships vs. single, obviously. Your point is irrelevant.
/r/PurplePillDebate08/09/21 04:16 PM
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"you can have a shittier version of what I call 'happy' being single." gee, sounds super great.
/r/PurplePillDebate08/09/21 04:02 PM
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I literally explained to you that you can be single but still fuck with someone, while in your theory you just took away both dating and sex I did understand your comment. Many men can't "be single but still fuck with someone" because no one who they want wants them, and there are no other viable options.
/r/PurplePillDebate08/09/21 03:47 PM
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you'll never get anything you want, and we'll take away what you have. be happy, though.
/r/PurplePillDebate08/09/21 03:45 PM
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great, then people should stop telling other people that they can be happy being single.
/r/PurplePillDebate08/09/21 03:44 PM
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OK, so "happy single" means having a much less enjoyable life. That isn't "happy."
/r/PurplePillDebate08/09/21 03:44 PM
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You can be happy single most people are happier in a good healthy relationship. what does that mean?
/r/PurplePillDebate08/09/21 02:06 PM
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im 100% willing to be single forever, but i admit that its coming from a place of privilege, to whit: i have already experienced marriage, having kids, and basically the full gamut of what it means to blend your life with another person. yeah, you don't count here, you already got yours.
/r/PurplePillDebate08/09/21 02:06 PM
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Because you can't take away things from other people, it's illegal. these are the practical details I said we were assuming away.
/r/PurplePillDebate08/09/21 02:05 PM
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Men have casual sex options. Sex workers exist. I never said there were zero options, but "technically, sex workers exist" doesn't count. Have you ever paid for sex? Do you know how much it costs? you're talking out of your ass.
/r/PurplePillDebate08/09/21 02:04 PM
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Idk I think it’s unfair to you to just take away casual sex and dating. then I guess most single men are being treated unfairly. what do you propose we do to women to make them treat men fairly?
/r/PurplePillDebate08/09/21 02:03 PM
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Generally, you need to be relatively happy when you're single to be able to attract a partner, What, practically, does that mean? Does it mean "eh, maybe I'll get a partner maybe not, I don't care either way because I'm still happy regardless?" ... because that's called not wanting a relationship.
/r/PurplePillDebate08/09/21 02:02 PM
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Losing someone you love in your life vs simply not finding the romantic partner is a completely different thing. Somewhat different, not completely different. You just don't want to acknowledge the truth.
/r/PurplePillDebate08/09/21 02:01 PM
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You're assuming that the only condition for happiness is having everything you want. It's not. OK, then let's take away what you want.
/r/PurplePillDebate08/09/21 02:00 PM
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Then they need to seriously examine why they so desperately want a LTR. The science is pretty clear about what makes most people the most happy.
/r/PurplePillDebate08/09/21 02:00 PM
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Are we talking about no relationship but still having sex? No, that isn't an option in this hypothetical.
/r/PurplePillDebate07/09/21 08:59 PM
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yes, it is.
/r/PurplePillDebate07/09/21 08:59 PM
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I'm not mixing it up; the important aspect is the being single part. The loss vs. never existing part can be assumed away.
/r/PurplePillDebate07/09/21 08:51 PM
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I think what those people miss is that, usually, the man is already doing everything he can to be as happy as he can while being single.
/r/PurplePillDebate07/09/21 08:51 PM
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there would be no real way for society to make them sufficiently happy and motivated so as to be productive members of society? Excluding obviously unjust situations--like slavery--no.
/r/PurplePillDebate07/09/21 08:50 PM
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thought every woman when she says she doesn't mind being single, that being single is great
/r/PurplePillDebate07/09/21 08:36 PM
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But if women can't or won't do that; or if they do and their true optimal standards still leave a very high percentage of men sexless, then what is to be done? NEET, opt out of the system, MGTOW, drugs, etc. Do you really want to be with a woman who legitimately does not find you attractive? Do you want a sex slave? No. I would be open to paying for sex, depending on the price and other factors.
/r/PurplePillDebate07/09/21 08:30 PM
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He is insisting that only romantic love can bring fulfilment, which is a crock of horseshit. No, I am not insisting that only that can bring fulfillment.
/r/PurplePillDebate07/09/21 08:23 PM
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You put it beautifully.
/r/PurplePillDebate07/09/21 07:55 PM
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Except you have no grounds for insisting I switch to begin with lol Irrelevant, and regardless, if you were really indifferent you wouldn't care.
/r/PurplePillDebate07/09/21 06:54 PM
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But you can see how these are different concepts, right? Yes, and that's why the original claim is bullshit. So they will have to see if they can live with 'happy' over 'happiest'. What is their alternative? The problem is that "whatever, you're still 'happy'" is used as an excuse to deprive men of what they want.
/r/PurplePillDebate07/09/21 06:39 PM
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Did you ever say AS happy in your OP title? Or did you just say HAPPY? My point is that it's not all the same, so it's bullshit to talk as if it is all the same "happy."
/r/PurplePillDebate07/09/21 06:36 PM
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You can be happy single and happy in a relationship. There’s no reason to drop something if it adds to your happiness. Well, then, they aren't really the same things--the same kind of "happy"--are they? I would never want to be the sole source of my partner’s happiness, talk about someone being a burden. OK??? Would you agree that it doesn't have to be that extreme?
/r/PurplePillDebate07/09/21 06:34 PM
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and your point is ...? Let's assume you're right: it changes nothing about what the original post is talking about.
/r/PurplePillDebate07/09/21 06:32 PM
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Yup. What do I do when the restaurant is out of my favorite dish? I order my second favorite dish, say thank you, and happily eat up. By definition, you are not as happy.
/r/PurplePillDebate07/09/21 06:32 PM
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But again that makes no sense. Why would people stop doing something that makes them happy just to show that something else can make them happy? If they're just as happy either way--single or in a relationship--they would be indifferent between the two. You could equally ask why they would bother staying in a relationship; staying makes no sense too. The only reason to stop doing something is when it makes you unhappy. So, are you saying that one stops being single--chooses to enter into a relat…
/r/PurplePillDebate07/09/21 06:30 PM
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Why would she break up with her bf? He’s an EXTRA source of happiness, not the primary one. Ah, so, you're saying there are different levels of happiness, right? It's not all happy = happy = happy
/r/PurplePillDebate07/09/21 06:25 PM
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Your argument isn't coherent. Needing a relationship to be happy, and being happier with a relationship are two different things. How is my argument incoherent? Your example doesn't make sense, and maybe the problem is in how you're defining terms. The vast majority of people would be happier with the right relationship. But that doesn't mean that even these people cannot be happy without one. So we agree. The problem is that people say "you don't need a relationship to be happy" as a way to dis…
/r/PurplePillDebate07/09/21 06:22 PM
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You’re right, I wouldn’t leave my partner. But I don’t think that’s a fair question. then the original claim isn't fair either. It’d be the same as asking anyone to empty out their bank account, sell all their possessions, and donate everything, because they say “money doesn’t buy happiness”. Right, so how do we make sense of it? By discarding the overly-simplistic claim. But to say I wasn’t happy before I met her isn’t true. I was happy. I left a relationship that I didn’t like and was voluntar…
/r/PurplePillDebate07/09/21 06:20 PM
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There’s no reason to drop a perfectly healthy relationship for singleness as that would decrease happiness. But to say you can’t be perfectly happy single is false. You contradict yourself. Do you really believe anyone can be perfectly happy in their singleness? If so, then that's reason enough to drop a perfectly healthy relationship: you would literally be indifferent. Yes you could be more happy coupled but that’s not the point of the phrase. So, the phrase is a bait and switch?
/r/PurplePillDebate07/09/21 06:07 PM
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The point is: if "good relationships" are not available people can and should hopefully still be happy No one knows if a good relationship is available or not until the end of their life. Are you saying they should be just as happy with not getting what they want compared to getting what they want?
/r/PurplePillDebate07/09/21 06:04 PM
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Realistically you can’t talk about good relationships without bad ones. More often than not people have bad relationships before they find a good one No, you can. "I want a relationship" "You don't need a relationship to be happy, some relationships are bad" "Let me clarify: I want a good relationship"
/r/PurplePillDebate07/09/21 06:00 PM
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How convenient that you just so happen to be leaving out the majority of relationships. I'm leaving out bad relationships because there's no point talking about wanting a bad relationship.
/r/PurplePillDebate07/09/21 05:59 PM
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As if the only relationships are the monogamous kind. Family, friends, coworkers, social media, FWB etc., but for someone who wants a LTR, those are not replacements
/r/PurplePillDebate07/09/21 05:54 PM
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Can we be more nuanced than 100% happy vs. 0%? Can you not be more happy from a relationship?
/r/PurplePillDebate07/09/21 05:47 PM
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Someone at the lowest level that believes they will be happy once they have a relationship has a hard time finding and maintaining relationships. Are you assuming they would actually be happier in a good relationship or not?
/r/PurplePillDebate07/09/21 05:38 PM
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Do you normally demand that people give up things to prove they can be happy without them? The post is addressed to the people who make that claim.
/r/PurplePillDebate07/09/21 05:37 PM
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A relationship is supposed to add extra benefit to your life, not be the sole purpose of your happiness OK? If a relationship adds extra benefits to your life, then your happiness depends on having a relationship. a single person that neeeeds a relationship is a red flag anyways What about someone who is in a relationship? but not just for the purpose of a BS experiment lol So, you're saying you'd be less happy if you did break up?
/r/PurplePillDebate07/09/21 05:31 PM
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It does. I don't need my partner to be happy. So I'm not sure what you're getting at... If you're so confident about that, then leave your partner, live as a single person, and show us how happy you are. Are you willing to do that? It would be very helpful for this sub, great content.
/r/PurplePillDebate07/09/21 05:24 PM
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Nothing here worth responding to, but I want you to know I read your comment.
/r/PurplePillDebate07/09/21 05:16 PM
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So there are different levels, that's my point.
/r/PurplePillDebate07/09/21 05:15 PM
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No one has ever said “being alone is better than being in a happy relationship” or “being alone is as good as being in a happy relationship”. That is what they're saying when they say "you don't need a relationship to be happy."
/r/PurplePillDebate07/09/21 05:15 PM
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Depending on someone for your happiness is how you get taken advantage of and often end up staying in relationships you shouldn’t. If your happiness didn't depend on a relationship in any way then it wouldn't be something you desired. but you’ll be less likely to encounter or have a good relationship if you place your happiness in another persons hands That's absurd. A person like you're describing would be like "I don't care if my wife does something nice for me, it makes no difference to my ha…
/r/PurplePillDebate07/09/21 05:13 PM
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but if it's suddenly not great for me anymore That why I said we aren't talking about bad relationships.
/r/PurplePillDebate07/09/21 05:08 PM
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That effect is not the focus here.
/r/PurplePillDebate07/09/21 05:06 PM
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People have to learn to live with what they have. If anyone can learn to live with any arbitrary "what they have" then why not take away lots of things from everyone? We'll just force you to not have something, and then you can learn to live with it. I find that argument unpersuasive.
/r/PurplePillDebate07/09/21 04:59 PM
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You won’t be happier in a relationship if you aren’t already a happy person. If you want a relationship while you're single, can you still be said to be "a happy person"?
/r/PurplePillDebate07/09/21 04:58 PM
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If some kind of genie offered me that choice right now, it'd take a lot for me to overcome it. Thanks for being honest.
/r/PurplePillDebate07/09/21 04:52 PM
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you seem to not understand a very fundamental component of relationships: missing someone when they're gone. You're just picking out practical details that I already said we could assume away. Your "thought experiment" is trash because it doesn't measure what you think it does. You are just refusing to engage with the thought experiment. This further confirms that you don't know the difference between mourning a lost loved one and not having a loved one in the first place. I do understand the di…
/r/PurplePillDebate07/09/21 04:51 PM
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If you're told your life will be tough, and most likely suck, then it's possible for someone to decide that they'd be better off dying earlier than later. So, do you have anything to say about that?
/r/PurplePillDebate07/09/21 04:44 PM
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Who said we need people to be happy? We can have an honest disagreement and it ends there. I think it's pretty reasonable to want to be happy.
/r/PurplePillDebate07/09/21 04:39 PM
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I think that telling single people that they can be happy without a relationship assumes that casual sex would still be available. That isn't the reality for a lot of men, and when they complain that they can't even get casual sex, they're told "you don't need sex to be happy." I definitely wouldn’t trade my marriage in for being single. Thank you for being honest.
/r/PurplePillDebate07/09/21 04:38 PM
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This is pointless and dumb even as a thought makes experiment because you've deliberately excluded relationshits How so? I'm excluding bad relationships because it's obviously not something that most people want. Of course if you're going to focus on the happily coupled only you will find an unwillingness to be single. That's the contradiction: if you can be happy being single, then why aren't they indifferent? We must conclude that it's somehow less appealing.
/r/PurplePillDebate07/09/21 04:16 PM
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Why should they do that, just to prove a point to you? If a person agrees that "you don't need a relationship to be happy" is bullshit then we have no issue. If they think it is true, then they can apply it to their own life.
/r/PurplePillDebate07/09/21 04:02 PM
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Im not breaking up with my boyfriend to make a point lol Exactly, that's my point
/r/PurplePillDebate07/09/21 04:01 PM
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This is the problem. No one should need anyone else to be happy. You're splitting hairs and being obtuse. I could soften the word "need" and the conclusion would be the same. The truth is that depending on other people is extremely common and important. Im very much in love with him but if we broke up today I would be sad but it wouldn't be like devastating or something like that because I dont need him to be happy. My post is for people like you: put your money where your mouth is. You say you …
/r/PurplePillDebate07/09/21 03:39 PM
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Let's circle back to the original question: which people are willing to end their good relationship and be happy and content as a single person for the rest of their life?
/r/PurplePillDebate07/09/21 03:37 PM
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What do you want to call the state of you being happy while single compared to your level of happiness in a good relationship ? What terminology do you want to use? Because, I'm not moving the goal post, just trying to phrase it in your own terminology. In all honesty, some relationships frankly make you miserable That isn't the subject of this post.
/r/PurplePillDebate07/09/21 03:35 PM
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I don't follow
/r/PurplePillDebate07/09/21 03:31 PM
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There are different ways to reach the same amount of happiness. OK, so let's apply your way of thinking to the people currently in good relationships: we can end their relationship, they can be single, and then find the same amount of happiness elsewhere. Are you willing to apply that to your own life? Like, give away your guitar, never play guitar again, and find happiness elsewhere. If you're right, it shouldn't be a big deal. So, are you going to do that or not?
/r/PurplePillDebate07/09/21 03:31 PM
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but they decrease their chances to actually do it, if they tie all their happiness to this goal. Can a goal be very important yet one's happiness not tied to it? Because, that's most people. It depends on a person. Yes, we agree, so it doesn't do any good to tell the people who are happier in a good relationship that they should be just as happy without one.
/r/PurplePillDebate07/09/21 03:27 PM
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So, you agree with me.
/r/PurplePillDebate07/09/21 03:25 PM
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OK, so then, using your terminology, usually, when people say "I need a relationship to be happy" what they really mean is "I need a relationship to be with-guitar-happy." Yet, people yell at those people and tell them "no, no, you can be with-guitar-happy even if you don't have a guitar." The thesis of my post is that those people are full of shit.
/r/PurplePillDebate07/09/21 03:24 PM
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So, no, they aren't just as well off, and that's my point.
/r/PurplePillDebate07/09/21 03:22 PM
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You're just moving the goal post. To use your terminology, I'm saying the idea that "you don't need a relationship to be happier" is bullshit.
/r/PurplePillDebate07/09/21 03:22 PM
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OK, then let's make the people who are in good relationship live the same way.
/r/PurplePillDebate07/09/21 03:21 PM
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You can't assume away the sudden removal of an important person in someone's life. OK, then let's say it's done as gentle as you like. Now, can you address the rest of the thought experiment? They usual do if their partner dies or breaks up with them. Right, and no one tells widows to stop their wining, so why do we tell that to single men? My point is it's unhealthy and pointless to live your life in a state of emotional limbo (or worse, crippling depression) until you find someone. What do you…
/r/PurplePillDebate07/09/21 03:20 PM
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The thing is that you don't have to "look hard" to find happy single people, I know lots of them. OK? If it's no big deal, then let's make everyone live that way, sound good? It means that you shouldn't stress yourself out and you should improve your life as much as you can. Often, the way that a person's life can be improved is getting into a good relationship. You have more chances to get into healthy relationship, when you're contented with yourself and your life. What word do you want to use…
/r/PurplePillDebate07/09/21 03:17 PM
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A relationship should bring extra happiness to your life, not be your only source of happiness. Then you're just arguing semantics. Someone thinking they need a partner to be happy is a major red flag for me. Ok, let's fix the wording so that it isn't a red flag: "I need a good partner to have a life with the degree of happiness that I desire."
/r/PurplePillDebate07/09/21 03:14 PM
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It would have been good enough for the rest of my life. I was prepared for that. I wasn’t prepared to meet someone, but I did. Why squander that opportunity? Then you're acknowledging that you're happier with your partner, a partner, a good partner. That fact is why "you don't need a relationship to be happy" is bunk.
/r/PurplePillDebate07/09/21 03:12 PM
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If so, then it's an inappropriate direct comment to a CMV post.
/r/PurplePillDebate07/09/21 03:10 PM
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Here's the thing. When people go through break ups, this is exactly what people tell them to do, and it's what genuinely helps them move on from it. And are they just as well of compared to not going through a break up in the first place?
/r/PurplePillDebate07/09/21 03:09 PM
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If you can’t be happy alone how can you be happy with someone else? What do you want to call "happy, but lacking a significant amount of enjoyment and fulfillment because of the lack of a good relationship"?
/r/PurplePillDebate07/09/21 03:08 PM
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Nobody is going to dump their partners to satisfy your challenge. Right, and that's why "you don't need a relationship to be happy" is some kind of lie. And I was happy being single Then why wasn't that good enough for the rest of your life?
/r/PurplePillDebate07/09/21 03:07 PM
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You didn't read the whole post, I already addressed this. Equivocating: I'm sure we'll get comments to the effect "yes, I could be happy if I was single, but I'm happier with my partner." That's what I mean by "move the goal post": that "happier" state is what we're talking about when we talk about "happy," not the "single-happy."
/r/PurplePillDebate07/09/21 03:05 PM
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You're confusing a dramatic change of life and a future of no romance ever for "being single." Nope, I'm just including both. If you need it, "dramatic change of life" can be one of those practical problems we can assume away. Let's say it's a reasonably gentle change of life, however you want to define it. Also, taking away casual sex seems like an arbitrary stipulation. I include that for two reasons 1) some people don't care for casual sex, and 2) that's the reality for being "single" as a ma…
/r/PurplePillDebate07/09/21 03:04 PM
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I'm asking what the consequences are. You tell me.
/r/PurplePillDebate07/09/21 02:38 PM
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What is difficult and ultimately heartbreaking is the state of not being in a good relationship, not the process of failing to get into a good relationship. I could add more detail to that statement, flesh it out more to be more realistic--add qualifications--but doing so wouldn't change the conclusion. What you're trying to do is change the stated goal, and that's a version of moving the goal post. Why not just be poor? Why not just be unemployed? Why not let your cancer consume you? You're say…
/r/PurplePillDebate07/09/21 02:30 PM
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Please explain more, I really don't follow.
/r/PurplePillDebate07/09/21 02:21 PM
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Let's say you're right: so what? Even if you're right it doesn't matter.
/r/PurplePillDebate07/09/21 02:18 PM
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Makes value judgements about women riding the cock carousel Nope, TRP just says that it is a thing. Same goes for your other examples. And all it is telling men that they should be emotionally stunted because showing any vulnerability in your life is too big of a risk. You're confusing two different things. The emotionally stunted thing to do is express emotions without discretion, and an emotionally mature person is judicial about who/what/when/where/how they express them selves. No man who is …
/r/PurplePillDebate07/09/21 01:35 PM
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Why don't you try? If you're son can be happy alone, then why can't you?
/r/PurplePillDebate07/09/21 01:27 PM
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All of them
/r/PurplePillDebate07/09/21 01:27 PM
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OK. Let's say someone decides suicide is a better strategy: are you OK with that?
/r/PurplePillDebate07/09/21 01:26 PM
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You mean legalize rape and violence? No, I mean women actually facing the consequences of their actions without some man or social safety net to soften the blow.
/r/PurplePillDebate07/09/21 07:21 AM
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Its, hey young guys, OUR parents and media and society sold us this dream of finding love easy, No, see, you're assuming what men want is what they're told they want, not what they want themselves.
/r/PurplePillDebate07/09/21 07:20 AM
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Women do better alone then men because of female privilege and social supports. let things get real and then they get real really fucking quick, and then women don't want to be on their own.
/r/PurplePillDebate07/09/21 05:52 AM
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if you were your son, could you be happy?
/r/PurplePillDebate07/09/21 05:47 AM
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fuck you men, eat shit is not not kind. the kind thing to do is for women to adjust their expectations.
/r/PurplePillDebate07/09/21 05:46 AM
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Look women absolutely care about physical attraction. yes, and they usually end up with partners they aren't physically attracted to.
/r/PurplePillDebate04/09/21 08:37 PM
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you have no idea what you're talking about
/r/PurplePillDebate04/09/21 08:32 PM
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The bl*ckpill villifies it you have no idea what you're talking about
/r/PurplePillDebate04/09/21 08:29 PM
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that you would be attracted to if you got to know them
/r/PurplePillDebate04/09/21 08:28 PM
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Learn to be happy independently. Tell that to all the happily married couples. Let's take away their spouse and see how they really feel.
/r/PurplePillDebate04/09/21 09:02 AM
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The reward of self improvement is not only to increase sexual market value though. You're changing the task we're talking about. That may be fine, but we're talking about achieving a specific goal, mainly, an enjoyable sex life.
/r/PurplePillDebate03/09/21 10:24 PM
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But grown men who think going to the gym or dressing well is for losers? You sound like the one man who the "take a shower" advice is actually relevant for. It's because they've tried that and more, and it didn't work.
/r/PurplePillDebate03/09/21 10:22 PM
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If you are an unhappy person, making your happiness dependant on another person is a mistake. Ah, then it's a problem of definition. A person is "happy," they are just disappointed with their dating life, they are not "an unhappy person."
/r/PurplePillDebate03/09/21 10:13 PM
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For me I’ve found that loving yourself is all about finding that confirmation and validation from within and not having to rely on external sources for that. Say a person is able to do that: now what? They still can't find anyone to date them.
/r/PurplePillDebate03/09/21 10:11 PM
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No, because the real purpose is a bait and switch, designed to divert the people no one wants into and endless cycle chasing an intermediate goal they'll never reach. That way, the people around them never have to acknowledge the shitty situation the person is in, because that would make the people around the person uncomfortable. What is "love yourself"? How is it defined? How is it measured? How would you know you've attained it? How would you know the problem isn't that you don't love yoursel…
/r/PurplePillDebate03/09/21 10:10 PM
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who cares, dont swipe on her, dont date single mothers. why do you have to write essays about it How old are you? As you get older the people you're going to want to date will have histories (if they didn't then there's probably something about them that makes them both single their whole life and the kind of person you don't want to date).
/r/PurplePillDebate03/09/21 09:44 PM
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nothing shameful about concubines or prostitutes.
/r/PurplePillDebate20/08/21 06:53 PM
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its not her fault Does she get to choose who she has sex with or not?
/r/PurplePillDebate20/08/21 06:42 PM
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You're getting a few things wrong, or at least missing the mark, even if your top-level conclusion has some truth in it. most red pillers are living a blue pill lie of victimhood, false assumptions about women, false expectations about sex etc. The blue pill part of mainstream TRP is believing that they as individuals have more control over their sex/dating lives than they actually have. A lot of TRP content is about how best to go about getting what you want out of sex/dating, e.g., physical fi…
/r/PurplePillDebate19/08/21 05:00 PM
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You just said men don’t need to exfoliate bc it doesn’t matter. It does. Don’t gaslight me. No. Please read. Don’t gaslight me.
/r/PurplePillDebate18/08/21 07:52 AM
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I’m a women who has dated a man 2-3 inches shorter than me for two years And what about before? And, is there anything unusual about him that compensates in some way that makes you want to "date" him? And, what about other women? so pls stop telling men they don’t need to wash their faces please. 😮 I'm not. That's you, that's in your head.
/r/PurplePillDebate18/08/21 03:30 AM
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Male experience. No amount of exfoliated skin, or anything else, is going to make a difference for women who insist that their partner is at least three inches taller than them.
/r/PurplePillDebate18/08/21 12:53 AM
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Why don't men just exfoliate their skin? Because it won't make them taller
/r/PurplePillDebate18/08/21 12:39 AM
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I think the thing really coming out of this, as much as I REALLY hate to admit it, is that the incels won were right all along Fixed it for you. Incels don't really "win," that's why they're incels.
/r/PurplePillDebate18/08/21 12:37 AM
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please. argue with something more than theory or don't waste your time.
/r/PurplePillDebate10/08/21 05:58 AM
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Sorry but what do you mean by that? It's a matter of degree and opinion.
/r/PurplePillDebate09/08/21 10:13 PM
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I have never met a woman would would give me a serious answer to questions like "how do I make you fall in love with me?"
/r/PurplePillDebate09/08/21 09:46 PM
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"impairs your daily living" is just a deeper level of "well, it depends." I already addressed this in comment you're responding to, too.
/r/PurplePillDebate09/08/21 09:45 PM
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OK? What exactly are you suggesting?
/r/PurplePillDebate09/08/21 09:43 PM
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If I wouldn't have inequality for paying for things when doing stuff with my closest friend, then why would I do that with someone I barely know so far? The default is pay-equality with everyone. (Each person paying their own way each time, or trading who pays when you can assume long term equality.) My suspicion is this is more a matter of ideological principle No, it's a practical matter. I'm a man who is into women. The world I live in means that trying to date means going on a lot of first d…
/r/PurplePillDebate09/08/21 09:39 PM
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Yea, but imagine being a 13-14 year boy and coming across a gangbang online? Unreal. I don't have to imagine, I remember it, and it was hot
/r/PurplePillDebate09/08/21 09:22 PM
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A few unorganized thoughts: tl;dr: showing porn to 6 year olds should be avoided, if possible, but not guaranteed to seriously mess them up. It is also ethically dubious to subject children to treatment in order to turn them into adults who are only aroused by the 'right' things. not to normalize sexualization, or endorse sexual activity, of kids, but at 6 years old? there's a degree of normal curiosity. it's hard to talk about because of how nuanced the topic is. if you're curious about these t…
/r/PurplePillDebate09/08/21 09:20 PM
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brilliant satire
/r/PurplePillDebate09/08/21 06:27 AM
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The criteria for doing something or not is not "will this individual course of action bankrupt me regardless of everything else I'm doing?"
/r/PurplePillDebate09/08/21 05:28 AM
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If a dude has more than a bare minimum amount of money then him paying an extra 12 dollars for some pasta isn't breaking the bank. $12 for each first date. Did you see the recent Guardian article about the woman who went on 138 first dates before meeting the man she married?
/r/PurplePillDebate09/08/21 05:25 AM
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And I would agree, a guy who plans a dinner date with you probably is much more interested than a guy that makes no plan or wants to go to a bar. This is one of those ideas that works too well. Interested? For what, exactly? Cue boo, hoo, where are all the good men?!? Men are disgusting! All they want is sex! You can set any standart you want. I'm gonna kick the air like this, and if you get in the way, then it's your own fault!
/r/PurplePillDebate09/08/21 05:22 AM
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I dunno guys on the red pill refer to women as plates and still expect women to want them. entirely different motivation for creating special terminology
/r/PurplePillDebate09/08/21 05:06 AM
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all I'm doing is rejecting LVM, so it must be working!
/r/PurplePillDebate09/08/21 05:01 AM
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there's virtue signaling, and then there's real life
/r/PurplePillDebate09/08/21 04:44 AM
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you're arguing about an immaterial detail in the analogy
/r/PurplePillDebate09/08/21 04:42 AM
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Does FDS really advise women not to split the bill and only do dinner dates? Yes.
/r/PurplePillDebate09/08/21 01:14 AM
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You're a bit late to the party for anyone to read your comment, but you're 100% right.
/r/PurplePillDebate09/08/21 12:53 AM
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What is happening is that the age that men are first able to have sex is increasing. Why this is is a combination of women's current sexual practices and men not putting in the work that they once did to attract women for sex. Asserting that cohort effects do not exist does not make it so.
/r/PurplePillDebate09/08/21 12:32 AM
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r/TheBluePill, assuming it's representative of blue pill thought, never intended to be helpful. In that way, there was never anything for them to fuck up. From the sub's description: /r/TheBluePill is a satire of /r/TheRedPill and the strategies discussed on that particular sub.
/r/PurplePillDebate09/08/21 12:27 AM
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What's the bet? Really? Let's over-simplify to make it as clear as possible, since it would be easy to make the set up more realistic without changing the basic idea. Two pay-offs: spend ~50 years growing old with the love of your life spend ~50 years alone and miserable, dying alone and miserable If we're using poker as analogy, time/money/effort sunk into trying to date people you'll never end up with is the "ante" you have to pay up front in order to maybe get one of the pay-offs.
/r/PurplePillDebate09/08/21 12:10 AM
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But once that work is put in, the average people who are compatible will match up and be happy, ideally. That's the social contract that has been breaking down since at least 2012, if not earlier.
/r/PurplePillDebate09/08/21 12:05 AM
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It's just hard work a risky bet, like everything else in life. Fixed it for you
/r/PurplePillDebate09/08/21 12:01 AM
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Eh sort of, but even the “good” ones have relationships end and re-enter the dating market. wounded, and hell bent on never letting that happen to them again; i.e., emotional baggage. they end up too selective, too demanding, and willing to jump ship if things aren't perfect. Exceptions, sure, but I'm talking about the main trend.
/r/PurplePillDebate08/08/21 11:55 PM
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That sounds like common sense being needlessly complicated by fancy words and jargon the most elegant ideas seem self evident once you've become aware of them. you would not believe how many women on here equate "man is shooting for LTR, but is also up for casual sex in the meantime" with "man only wants sex and nothing else". Complicated? Sure. Needlessly complicated? No.
/r/PurplePillDebate08/08/21 11:50 PM
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If you're talking about the mathematics of it then yeah you're right, most of those graphs and equations will look foreign to people. Yes, I mean as a framework, or a concept to work with. I can't tell you how many times I've read a terrible comment here and thought, "I could tell you why you're completely wrong, but first I'd have to teach you microeconomic, and a little multivariable calculus, before you'd have a chance to understand what I'm talking about." (I'm not trying to brag either; I s…
/r/PurplePillDebate08/08/21 11:28 PM
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Thinking of sex and gender issues as microeconomics pretty much takes all the enjoyment out of it, and also annoys people don't yuck my yum
/r/PurplePillDebate08/08/21 11:23 PM
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I don't want to be instantly faced with direct questions that will define what we are and what we want. I also feel like the guy cares more if he appreciates the slow burn rather than instantly tries to rush to a yes or no. Honest question: at what point is it appropriate for a man to indicate his dating/romantic/sexual interest? Follow up: how? examples are appreciated.
/r/PurplePillDebate08/08/21 09:53 PM
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Consider donuts, or if you'd prefer to consider another "thing people like," then think about that. If you've spent days hiking over mountains, famished, and someone offers you a donut when you return to civilization, it's going to taste pretty fucking good. when you visit your favorite artisanal donut shop for the first time in month, the first donut tastes pretty good. If someone brought in donuts to the office, and you haven't eaten breakfast yet, it's pretty good. If they brought in way too …
/r/PurplePillDebate08/08/21 09:49 PM
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Exactly. In addition to underlying biological, cultural, etc. factors, there's an effect of, basically, I've got enough sex for now, I want something else next. I think a lot of women on this sub (they aren't the only ones guilty of this, just picking on them since it's the first thing that comes to mind) don't understand that their preferences depend on what they can and can't already get, rather than a universal constant. In economist-speak, we'd say that marginal utility depends on current le…
/r/PurplePillDebate08/08/21 09:28 PM
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Kind of, sure. But, there's more to life than sex, so it's helpful to think in terms of 2+ "inputs" to your "happiness function."
/r/PurplePillDebate08/08/21 09:23 PM
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Aren't these assumptions already explicitly expressed in the way people describe dating as a "sexual market place"? Not exactly, because a lot of people on this sub aren't aware of these "tools." I'm not faulting anyone; you'd basically need an under grad degree in economics to get exposed to this stuff.
/r/PurplePillDebate08/08/21 09:20 PM
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I can't speak for all prostitutes, but I think many would be willing to go along with a man if he proposed a "different kind" of session (assuming she would be willing to provide him with "normal" services. "Different kind" of session meaning a kind of laboratory, "sand-box" purpose for what they're doing, rather than having a goal of trying to get the guy off. OK, how much time do we have? ... OK, great. Here's what I want to do: I want to get better at sexually pleasing women. Now, I know you …
/r/PurplePillDebate08/08/21 08:06 PM
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If women weren't more miserable than men in marriages then why do women initiate 75% of divorce? Branch swinging. Maybe they can do better, maybe they can't. They believe they can.
/r/PurplePillDebate08/08/21 07:19 PM
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They are happy with seeing them a few times a week. These are not "single" women. There's a lot of unnecessary confusion because a lot of different situations get grouped under the term "single."
/r/PurplePillDebate08/08/21 07:18 PM
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I don't have a handy source, but I've seen research where divorced people are less happy than the never married. One does not ever fully recover remarrying after divorce, either.
/r/PurplePillDebate08/08/21 07:14 PM
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So is it really a skill if you're expected to already know it by the end of your adolescence and can't really learn it otherwise? I don't think it's that bleak, but you wrote a lot of things that are generally accurate. There are no "sex tutors". They're called prostitutes, but not all prostitutes are sex tutors. And, I don't mean that it's a great alternative to learning the "normal" way.
/r/PurplePillDebate08/08/21 07:03 PM
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If you're unskilled at sex then your best solution is to hold off on it until you've developed a closer relationship with one person. And that's the paradox: developing that kind of close relationship often involves sex along the way.
/r/PurplePillDebate08/08/21 07:00 PM
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ok? not sure what your point was there, buddy
/r/PurplePillDebate08/08/21 06:50 PM
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FDS is about only wanting a high value man and having self respect I wouldn't describe FDS in ... precisely those terms. A lot of the posts on that subreddit sound a lot like "sour grapes," but that's just my opinion. RP says there are no high value women and they don't deserve respect I'll grant that you may have read things to that effect, but I strongly disagree with that portrayal of RP "cannon." Does AWALT mean there are no high value women? I suppose, but it also means there are no low val…
/r/PurplePillDebate08/08/21 06:50 PM
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The percentage of men who have that trait is irrelevant. Please remember that before writing any "where are all the good men?" type comments.
/r/PurplePillDebate08/08/21 06:42 PM
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I partially disagree in that what you're saying only works if we adopt specialized meanings, rather than common language definitions, of words like "accept," "satisfied," and "content." These aren't universal constants, and instead, people tent to redefine, e.g., what they consider to be "satisfied" as being closer to the situation they find themselves in.
/r/PurplePillDebate08/08/21 06:39 PM
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In your opinion, how should a man treat a woman vs the way they should treat people in general? I suppose, more or less, it should be the same as treating people in general. That would be a good place to start.
/r/PurplePillDebate08/08/21 06:23 PM
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Is a woman's career trivial regarding her prospect as a long-term partner/wife if the couple doesn't want kids? No, in the sense that for any long-term couple, what is important is that they have compatible work strategies. When two people each place a lot of importance on their own career they would be setting themselves up for someone to eventually be unhappy, making the relationship worse. "I got this amazing job offer, but we'll have to move across the country, so you should quit your job." …
/r/PurplePillDebate08/08/21 06:20 PM
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No need to repeat it. That question is so general it's difficult to give any kind of reasonable answer.
/r/PurplePillDebate08/08/21 06:14 PM
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I don't understand your question
/r/PurplePillDebate08/08/21 06:11 PM
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on camera ... so that we can see her reaction
/r/PurplePillDebate08/08/21 06:06 PM
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Why is our culture so sex obsessed? Why do people love sex this much? Because it feels good. The sex is good. I'm not amazed by it I don't care about the sex at all. I never have. It's not that I hate it but I simply do not understand the obsessive appeal sex has over our culture. Please believe that I'm not trying to shit on you. Can you honestly say you've considered the full spectrum of what people can find "sexy"? Can you honestly say you've spent a reasonable amount of time trying to figure…
/r/PurplePillDebate08/08/21 06:03 PM
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Friendly reminder that Men, regardless of their age, tend to say women in their early 20s look best, while women are most attracted to men their own age.
/r/PurplePillDebate08/08/21 05:45 PM
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but how many of you have friends of the opposite sex and meet new people especially of the opposite sex just to have a conversation or make new friends? That doesn't necessarily mean a person like that has a more accurate view of the world, though they would likely have different biases. To meet new people, get to know them, have a conversation, make new friends: other people who want to do those things with you have to actually exist. If no one wants to start a conversation with you, then it is…
/r/PurplePillDebate08/08/21 05:39 PM
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sense of control had a significant positive effect on emotional well-being That one is about the pandemic, but in general it's well documented phenomena.
/r/PurplePillDebate08/08/21 05:27 PM
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lol the autism is high dead boyfriend ... 10 years is a little much, but I don't think we need to be too hard on her.
/r/PurplePillDebate08/08/21 05:22 PM
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Read the science. For all practical purposes, women have come to a consensus about what they consider attractive.
/r/PurplePillDebate08/08/21 05:17 PM
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The "sales funnel" analogy is useful the piece is mostly an ad, with a few words connecting paragraphs together I wish the author would have interviewed a psychiatrist or psychologist to get their take on FDS, but that would have taken more effort This quote says more than what she intended to mean: While female dating strategy has been compared to pick-up artistry for the way it “gamifies” dating, Savannah believes FDS “isn’t about trying to manipulate men into trying to behave a certain way … …
/r/PurplePillDebate08/08/21 05:15 PM
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Read the science on the topic. For all practical purposes, women are in agreement about what they consider attractive. Some women really like the look of Adam Driver, for instance, while other women don't think that he is attractive at all. Thank you for illustrating "technically true, but trivial."
/r/PurplePillDebate08/08/21 05:05 PM
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I think you're burying the lead, from the abstract: Effects of perceived and measured abilities were substantially reduced after controlling for physical attractiveness
/r/PurplePillDebate08/08/21 04:52 PM
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Not every woman thinks that the same kind of guy is physically attractive Generally, women largely agree on what they consider attractive. Technically are there differences between women? Yes, but that fact is trivial. The myth of "women are attracted to all sorts of guys" needs to end.
/r/PurplePillDebate08/08/21 04:52 PM
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She rejects him because he’s looking for casual sex from her. How can you know if you want a LTR with someone without spending a lot of time with them, including sex? Oh, let's just not do the one thing that we would exclusively do together please
/r/PurplePillDebate08/08/21 02:14 AM
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Well if she can’t it wasn’t in the cards for her. You dropped enough of the context that you changed the meaning. You were originally saying she could find what she wants with someone else latter. I was saying, maybe there is no one who will be there in the future, so this is the one guy who will work .. and she rejects him because, in addition to really wanting a LTR like her, he could also enjoy sex in the meantime, while looking for that person to have a LTR with (even if the person he enjoys…
/r/PurplePillDebate07/08/21 09:28 PM
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Ah, I see. Yeah, I feel like BP-ers are not actually trying to help anyone when they give "advice."
/r/PurplePillDebate07/08/21 08:37 PM
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No. You can think about a good-faith discussion as analogous to trying to solve a math problem. Arguing in bad faith is pretending to do that, but actually having different goals.
/r/PurplePillDebate07/08/21 08:25 PM
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She doesn’t lose because she can find the same things in another man with no risk of being pumped and dumped. maybe she can't she can find what she wants earlier Either way, she still loses. if he’s leading with sex first and foremost then that is all he is looking for with you. The original point was about how men can't be 100% honest, like saying they're dating for a LTR but could also enjoy casual sex. That isn't leading with sex, it's just being honest about the spectrum of things you're ope…
/r/PurplePillDebate07/08/21 07:21 PM
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Hanlon's Razor. Wow, so insightful, but also irrelevant.
/r/PurplePillDebate07/08/21 06:51 PM
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maintained a poly relationship So, plate spinning, like RP?
/r/PurplePillDebate07/08/21 06:50 PM
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This quote perfectly capture what it feels like to engage with BP-ers, FDS women, etc.: “Never believe that anti-Semites are completely unaware of the absurdity of their replies. They know that their remarks are frivolous, open to challenge. But they are amusing themselves, for it is their adversary who is obliged to use words responsibly, since he believes in words. The anti-Semites have the right to play. They even like to play with discourse for, by giving ridiculous reasons, they discredit t…
/r/PurplePillDebate07/08/21 06:27 PM
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So it’s perfectly reasonable to treat them as mutually exclusive. I strongly disagree. If he was given a chance he might be exactly what she was looking for. For the sake of argument, let's say he is exactly what she's looking for. But, if he's 100% honest he'd say that, while in a perfect world he'd meet a woman to have a LTR with, he could also enjoy sex, even if it ended up going nowhere. Because of that last part she will automatically reject him. She loses.
/r/PurplePillDebate07/08/21 06:24 PM
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This quote is a pretty accurate description of how it feels to engage, in good faith, with BP-ers on here: “Never believe that anti-Semites are completely unaware of the absurdity of their replies. They know that their remarks are frivolous, open to challenge. But they are amusing themselves, for it is their adversary who is obliged to use words responsibly, since he believes in words. The anti-Semites have the right to play. They even like to play with discourse for, by giving ridiculous reason…
/r/PurplePillDebate03/08/21 09:56 PM
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I haven't seen any men say that
/r/PurplePillDebate03/08/21 08:38 PM
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Yes, exactly. It's entirely possible that a publicly funded dating app would be a huge disaster. I'd still say it's an experiment worth trying. Money has been wasted on far worse. Of course, the thing would be opt-in, have to have strong privacy controls, open source algorithm, etc.
/r/PurplePillDebate03/08/21 07:31 PM
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All great points. It would be nice if the negative aspects, problems like paradox of choice, could be bifurcated. USPS is a public analog to the private UPS, so maybe a non-profit dating app would be something to try.
/r/PurplePillDebate03/08/21 07:13 PM
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From a dating perspective, dating apps are things to try after non-dating-apps techniques fail to work.
/r/PurplePillDebate03/08/21 07:08 PM
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That's just passing the buck. You're responsible for your choices. Women are not obligated to give you pussy. Women choose the behavior that will lead them to consent to sex with men. Women should take responsibility for their choices. Given the context women impose on men, men make choices. Men are responsible for those choices. In that context, responsibility doesn't mean much. No one said women are obligated to give men anything. You are disgusted with women. Don't be disgusted by the player,…
/r/PurplePillDebate03/08/21 07:08 PM
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If you're the type of person who can get casual sex from dating apps they have a certain appeal. For everyone else, it's something to try after non-dating-apps techniques fail to work.
/r/PurplePillDebate03/08/21 06:57 PM
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I don’t feel like this an additional hoop though. I think "men don't have a good video chat set up" will be the new "men don't take good pictures."
/r/PurplePillDebate03/08/21 06:54 PM
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My only ethical standard in this scenario is that if you're actively being a shitty person That's tautological, you haven't explain what you mean. And why do I need to come up with a plan for men? Their love lives are not my problem. You're the one proposing a framework for how men should act. So long as they stay the fuck away from me, we're good ;) Are you saying you want the ethical men, those who don't act like a shitty person, but still can't succeed at dating, to stay away from you? They c…
/r/PurplePillDebate03/08/21 05:43 PM
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Women define the game that men must play. You are disgusted with women.
/r/PurplePillDebate03/08/21 05:37 PM
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The sex seekers can then eliminate the relationship seekers and vice versa without either wasting any time or money. The problem with that, and with just being honest, is that these aren't mutually exclusive things. If a man says he ultimately wants a relationship but is also interested in casual sex in the short term, then most women will interpret him to mean he is only interested in casual sex.
/r/PurplePillDebate03/08/21 05:37 PM
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And meeting people in person was a common thing to do until the pandemic kept people from going outside. Depends on what you mean by "common," but it was declining. The pandemic just accelerated the shift to couples meeting via OLD.
/r/PurplePillDebate03/08/21 05:33 PM
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Don't be disgusted with the player, be disgusted with the game.
/r/PurplePillDebate03/08/21 05:29 PM
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I'm not proposing a framework. You are, you are saying men should follow your ethical standards. Again, what's your plan for men who follow your ethical standards, but still don't get what they want in the dating market? Tough shit, they just have to suffer being alone/loveless/sexless?
/r/PurplePillDebate03/08/21 05:29 PM
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Your whole post is based on the assumption that women don't like men who are nice. Not OP, but no: the assumption is that women do not care about "nice" unless other conditions already exist.
/r/PurplePillDebate03/08/21 05:27 PM
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Oh, we're fixing a single person's love life now? I'm going to need way more details than "he's not a shitty human being" lol You're the one proposing a frame work. You can address what will happen in your frame work when a man acts ethically and still ends up "losing" in the dating market, or not. If you don't address the issue then you shouldn't expect people to take you seriously.
/r/PurplePillDebate03/08/21 05:24 PM
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It's putting pussy before ethics. Something must be seriously wrong with you to do that. Don't hate the player, hate the game.
/r/PurplePillDebate03/08/21 05:19 PM
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If you read carefully, you can notice that when women are asked "what's enough for you to want a man?" their answer is in the form of the bare minimum for a man. They're like a teacher who doesn't want to give students the answers to a test. Women don't think, generally, in terms of "enough," they want men to compete for them so that they can pick the best one. Even when they actually settle for a man.
/r/PurplePillDebate03/08/21 05:17 PM
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You’ll have to show where people are saying that dating apps aren’t real life and then show where the article refutes it. many places on reddit, even this sub. "don't waste your time with dating apps, try to meet people in real life" (implying that there's a difference, that meeting in person is a common thing to do). Did you read the article? Tinder reported that 2020 was its busiest year yet; this year, its users have already set two records for usage between January and March. Hinge tripled i…
/r/PurplePillDebate03/08/21 05:00 PM
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Most people aren't dying or getting seriously ill and needing hospitalization. They're getting it and getting over it with the typical symptoms, like the flu. So, we basically agree that the vaccine is effective? As for your "probably..." statement, the vaccinated are spreading it just as much as the unvaccinated, so it "probably" doesn't help with anything. It has not been established that vaccinated people with an infection are "just as much as" infections as non-vaccinated people with an infe…
/r/PurplePillDebate02/08/21 10:46 PM
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And higher health insurance premiums, once the vaccine is fully approved by the FDA.
/r/PurplePillDebate02/08/21 10:21 PM
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oh god, so much wrong here Masks apparently aren't effective Masks help but aren't perfect (unless we're talking about N95 and the like, which are much better than surgical masks) vaccine doesn't stop people from getting COVID If you are exposed to the virus, the vaccine will help your immune system defend your body much more effectively, meaning: much less risk for serious illness or death, probably less risk of infecting others (the science is still developing on this one) [the vaccine] also h…
/r/PurplePillDebate02/08/21 10:18 PM
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When it's done to gay boys it's called Conversion Therapy. It doesn't work and it is abuse. You are literally advocating for abuse.
/r/PurplePillDebate02/08/21 05:49 AM
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Wait I’m not being reasonable when I’m saying you are relying on someone to make you happy which can put an extreme amount of pressure on them and make you over protective? Correct. You want to be with them? Yes. You enjoy your time with the person? Yes. OK, then they are part of what makes you happy. You are relying on someone to make you happy. It's a normal part of these relationships. It would be weird if your spouse wasn't a huge part of why you're happy with your life. Do you think widows …
/r/PurplePillDebate20/07/21 11:29 PM
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Are you in a relationship? And have you been in one? no, yes You never addressed the fact that you relying on a relationship to start the process of you being happy can put a lot on a partner. so? it can also not be a big deal. you're not being reasonable. This is often what keeps these people from being in one as you can see they might not have that much going for them. and they never will be in a relationship, because that's what's necessary to get to a healthy mental place, which is necessary…
/r/PurplePillDebate20/07/21 11:05 PM
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if you aren’t I’m the best place then think about the stress that could put on the person you love. being in a good relationship helps you get to that good place. that's the ironic thing about it: being in a good relationship is what makes you the kind of person who can be in a good relationship. i'm sure there are plenty of miserable people who would be much more pleasant if they just had a good partner. As an act of love to the future person you should work on being healthy mentally and physic…
/r/PurplePillDebate20/07/21 10:37 PM
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good thing it isn't the only outlet then. still doesn't mean it's extremely important. sounds like you haven't been able to get the kind of relationship you want, so maybe you're feeling a bit defensive? "sour grapes" and such?
/r/PurplePillDebate20/07/21 10:19 PM
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healthy romantic relationships are incredibly therapeutic.
/r/PurplePillDebate20/07/21 10:13 PM
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What the hell happened in this post? https://old.reddit.com/r/PurplePillDebate/comments/om9mg1/its_a_terrible_practice_for_women_to_fuck_one/?sort=top I guess he hit a nerve
/r/PurplePillDebate20/07/21 08:53 PM
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I've been trying to have a hoe phase, doing literally everything you suggest and more. It hasn't happen yet, and it never will. I don't get to choose to have a hoe phase.
/r/PurplePillDebate20/07/21 08:45 PM
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she's so angry, lol
/r/PurplePillDebate20/07/21 08:40 PM
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This was the comment I was expecting.
/r/PurplePillDebate20/07/21 02:07 AM
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FOMO ... other opportunities in the market if I commit to this one.
/r/PurplePillDebate20/07/21 02:07 AM
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Where are your examples of good and bad pictures?
/r/PurplePillDebate20/07/21 02:04 AM
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Tell me exactly what I would have to do to make you want to fuck me (assuming you're a woman), otherwise I won't take you seriously.
/r/PurplePillDebate20/07/21 02:02 AM
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More like, functionally virgins, not literally. A handful of mediocre sexual experience over a decade is not how most would define a reasonably satisfying sex life.
/r/PurplePillDebate20/07/21 01:54 AM
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if people were more mindful about their energy when approaching others rather than focusing on their insecurities, I am, and it doesn't help me, so, what difference does "it's the most important factor" make? Saying it's most important is literally useless.
/r/PurplePillDebate18/07/21 08:32 PM
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You don’t have to date, but some happy people want to. You do you. If they want to date then they aren't really happy. If they were really happy then they wouldn't bother dating.
/r/PurplePillDebate16/07/21 07:04 AM
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Why should I bother dating if I'm already happy? Dating doesn't help in any way, by definition.
/r/PurplePillDebate16/07/21 03:18 AM
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This sub attracts, particularly men, who likely don’t have IRL social networks. because social networks don't want them, no matter what they do. "literally be a different person, bro"
/r/PurplePillDebate16/07/21 01:23 AM
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Being happier can help you succeed, but I don’t think it’s the most important cause of dating success. if you're already happy then you wouldn't want to date, you already have everything you need to live a happy life. "try to be happy before dating" is really telling men to give up on dating and replace it with other avenues for enjoyment.
/r/PurplePillDebate16/07/21 12:50 AM
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To be irritable means there's dissonance in one's life - whether that's financial instability, relationship problems Relationship problems like ... not having dating success. This is why fake it till you make it works But it doesn't. Even if it did, you're framework is internally inconsistent. If you're faking it you aren't really happy. Your framework is non-scientific, it can never be shown to be wrong. Why aren't you able to date? You give off unhappy vibes. You claim you're not, and "faking …
/r/PurplePillDebate16/07/21 12:49 AM
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Sure it is, if you're married or have kids you've had sex LOL yes, having sex one time, however good or bad it was, is exactly the same as having a satisfying sex life. You say this.. Remains to be seen. Come back in 50 years and we can revisit this it's already happening in 50 years it will be too late to help men suffering from these issues today
/r/PurplePillDebate24/06/21 09:24 PM
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92% of men have a spouse or children over their lifetime not the same as sexlessness was that even true? even if it was, not going forward.
/r/PurplePillDebate24/06/21 12:50 PM
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My suggestion is you seriously have to meet Women in real life. That wasn't working and is why I tried dating apps in the first place
/r/PurplePillDebate23/06/21 11:55 PM
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if transferred to the real life majority of men would stay single forever. Which is increasingly becoming true The thing is that these dating apps really can't represent reality due to a whole number of differences. Like it or not, dating apps are how many people are meeting these days If you can't actually talk to or date people, then nothing beyond that matters.
/r/PurplePillDebate23/06/21 11:32 PM
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they already have zero matches, so what good would being more selective accomplish?
/r/PurplePillDebate21/06/21 04:12 AM
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porn is a highly addictive super stimulus that is not talked about or mentioned at all it isn't talked about because the science has not concluded that.
/r/PurplePillDebate19/06/21 11:49 PM
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