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My point is that with equality, we have INCLUDED women in the ways men have traditionally benefited from history... and in many cases overcorrected. But there is no expectation or interest in women TAKING ON the ways men have traditionally been burdened in society. Registering for the draft Sharing the burden of asking other people out, putting yourself out there and risking rejection. Sharing the blame for bad sex instead of saying "he just doesn't know how to please a woman" While a woman can …
/r/PurplePillDebate10/06/23 04:39 PM
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Exactly my point! It is redundant in today's society. We have equality in the ways where women benefit directly from it but in cases where it's a burden, they are happy to ignore it and let men continue to shoulder it.
/r/PurplePillDebate10/06/23 03:23 PM
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"A good example of this is how its socially acceptable for women to expect a man to pay for the date, but it's not acceptable for a man to expect the same." That is because we have an equality hybrid where women get the best of both worlds. All of the benefits and none of the responsibilities.
/r/PurplePillDebate10/06/23 01:56 PM
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I would speak up, just as I would not want someone talking to me in that way, My girlfriend or wife is considered important to me so I would not stand there and silently watch this. It's not so much about protecting her, it's refusing to stand there and watch someone you care about (or anyone who doesn't deserve it) get verbally abused.
/r/PurplePillDebate10/06/23 01:13 AM
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Ok.. I guess I need to spell this out... I was commenting on how many strong women in the west feel the need to advertise to everyone that they are a strong woman and that it reminded me of a quote I heard on Game of Thrones. When Joffrey kept proclaiming " I am the KING and Tywin said no true king has to tell everyone he is the king. It wasn't even about you. You made a general comment about Passport bros and I made a general comment about modern women who refer to themselves as "strong women" …
/r/PurplePillDebate10/06/23 12:50 AM
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I absolutely AM and you are being obtuse either because you haven't thought this through or you realize your own hypocrisy. Your post is flaired as CMV (Change My View) I took a claim from your post: "But when “Men and women being different” puts WOMEN in advantageous situation, then it suddenly becomes a problem" ..and I challenged that by saying their are plenty of examples of women being in advantageous situations because they are more than happy to hold on to old, sexist gender stereotypes W…
/r/PurplePillDebate09/06/23 02:14 PM
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Where is your proof of that?
/r/PurplePillDebate09/06/23 01:55 PM
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You know who else is lacking? Pretty much anyone who self identifies as as "strong woman". The real strong women don't feel the need to advertise it. It's like the Game of Thrones quote.. "Anyone who has to keep saying I am the king, is no real king" That is a large majority of western women today
/r/PurplePillDebate09/06/23 01:54 PM
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and there it is! The tired old argument that men just have a problem with "strong women". It can NEVER be a woman's fault! Thing is.. part of being a strong woman or a strong person for that matter, is being willing to recognize when YOU might be part of the problem or are contributing to it with your actions, instead of being reflexively defensive and constantly shifting blame. That and the racist nonsense about foreign women who you seem to think don't have any autonomy or power to say no. Mos…
/r/PurplePillDebate08/06/23 11:42 PM
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Please stop deflecting and answer the question
/r/PurplePillDebate08/06/23 09:08 PM
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you may want to spend some time searching your heart and mind for what has so poisoned you that you assumed this was not the case when I posted You wrote this: " my first role model for how boys are meant to treat girls they love is quite quite lofty or princess-like" There was no mention at all of any reciprocity and what you wrote and expanded upon, is a very, very common trope in our society that is all very one-sided. Once again if some man posted a version of this with the genders reversed …
/r/PurplePillDebate08/06/23 08:55 PM
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I also never said I had women trouble that is yet another assumption you have made. Good bye. I'm done going back and forth
/r/PurplePillDebate08/06/23 08:33 PM
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Is the assumption here that it's just men who need self improvement or men and women both? Apologies if I am wrong, but it seems to be geared toward men. I find it problematic that our culture and society tells women there is nothing wrong with them and they are perfect as they are and should be treated as queens while the narrative for men is they should be on a never ending quest for self improvement. Do you realize how toxic and harmful that is? It's never questioned either, it's just assumed…
/r/PurplePillDebate08/06/23 02:34 PM
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Based on your post you should agree with all of the things I have listed otherwise you are being hypocritical. Funny how women often don't want TRUE equality ;)
/r/PurplePillDebate08/06/23 02:26 PM
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"But when “Men and women being different” puts WOMEN in advantageous situation, then it suddenly becomes a problem" So the reverse should be true as well, no? Women should approach men and risk rejection. Women and men should plan and pay for dates equally and share the blame if they are disappointing. It's not a man's job to keep a woman entertained, they should enjoy each other's company. Sex is also the same, it's an equal effort. It should not be assumed to be the man's fault if it's less th…
/r/PurplePillDebate08/06/23 02:19 PM
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...or you might discover that you never actually had a problem at all, that you were born into a dysfunctional culture and maybe did not want to become dysfunctional yourself in order to fit in and succeed in it. There is this knee-jerk assumption that if men have trouble dating or attracting women that they have a "problem" or something that they need to improve. We never question whether our culture and women's unrealistic expectations might be the problem.
/r/PurplePillDebate08/06/23 01:55 PM
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How do you reconcile believing that ^ with your OP that is lecturing men against dating younger women?
/r/PurplePillDebate08/06/23 01:37 PM
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You sound pleasant.
/r/PurplePillDebate08/06/23 12:50 PM
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yes it is "the United Nations predicts dozens of countries will have shrinking populations by 2050." https://www.scientificamerican.com/article/population-decline-will-change-the-world-for-the-better/
/r/PurplePillDebate08/06/23 12:44 PM
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How about letting consenting adults date whomever they want and stop trying to shame them into what you or other women think would be "best"? Whether it's this or Passport Bros, it's getting tiring.
/r/PurplePillDebate08/06/23 12:42 PM
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Holy crap.. these mental gymnastics to simply refuse to ever consider that women might be the problem here
/r/PurplePillDebate08/06/23 12:32 PM
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I see article after article about men being frustrated and demoralized by modern dating. I guess all of that is their fault too. Nothing could ever be because women need to change, right?
/r/PurplePillDebate08/06/23 12:30 PM
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I never said i wanted to do this, I was commenting on the topic
/r/PurplePillDebate08/06/23 12:24 PM
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But in 2023 if someone were to say with a straight face that a woman should treat a man like a prize or her king it would be immediately and forcibly denounced and probably assumed to be trolling. The opposite notion that you believe is very much alive and well.
/r/PurplePillDebate08/06/23 07:08 AM
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The problem is this cultural narrative within our world of equality between the sexes that women should be treated like princesses. Nothing is required of this other than simply existing and being born female. As problematic as that is from the standpoint of equality of the sexes it leads to the endemic narcissism and entitlement we see in many women today. Ironically, in a generation of women who have least to offer or brag about compared to older generations. How many women today have the skil…
/r/PurplePillDebate08/06/23 07:01 AM
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my first role model for how boys are meant to treat girls they love is quite quite lofty or princess-like That is a bit different from "my first role model for how boys are meant to treat girls they love is quite quite lofty or princess-like " which is the mentality I am referring to
/r/PurplePillDebate08/06/23 06:43 AM
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It isn't good parenting regardless of how they eventually turned out.
/r/PurplePillDebate08/06/23 06:34 AM
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How is raising someone with a princess mentality an example of good parenting?
/r/PurplePillDebate08/06/23 06:30 AM
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...and these kids will be our future society. Yay!
/r/PurplePillDebate08/06/23 06:01 AM
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Which is why there is an epidemic of female teachers who sexually abuse male students and get much lighter treatment because they are female and because of the "women are wonderful" effect. Same with cases of domestic violence and most crimes. It's why HR complaints against women are not taken with the same amount of seriousness There are no strict standards for this bias, you are deflecting.
/r/PurplePillDebate08/06/23 05:50 AM
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And yes, of course, when I started dating, he made it clear through many conversations I should expect to be treated like a treasure by any man worth my time. This is SO toxic, narcissistic and dysfunctional! Why?! Why are you such a treasure compared to someone you are dating? Is there a list of accomplishments you have achieved that place you in such a high place of esteem? Is your character such an example for others to aspire to that you should be treated with such reverence? What exactly is…
/r/PurplePillDebate08/06/23 05:43 AM
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How does this in any way negate the very real "women are wonderful" bias though? What do you expect, absolutes? Because women are sometimes called names we are supposed to ignore that this bias exists?
/r/PurplePillDebate08/06/23 05:24 AM
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My point is that if the majority of women in our culture have unrealistic standards for men, I don't see where you can blame the men for not meeting them. If it were one example, it could be an outlier and you might have an argument that maybe this guy has some issues that cause him to get rejected. But when I see example of example of guys with similar stories struggling, guys who would seemingly should have no trouble... At some point you have to look at the elephant in the room and realize th…
/r/PurplePillDebate08/06/23 05:04 AM
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I don't know how this would not be considered homophobia by it's textbook definition. ...and 2/3rds of women too!!
/r/PurplePillDebate08/06/23 04:23 AM
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From what I've read and understand from bisexual men, it is women who are often the biggest hurdle for guys to want to come out or even admit this to themselves. Very few women are as tolerant of having a bisexual partner or even a partner with a bisexual past as men are of women
/r/PurplePillDebate08/06/23 04:05 AM
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people posturing as debaters in 100% content-free posts. I offered my opinion on a current topic of discussion. How is that content free?
/r/PurplePillDebate08/06/23 03:58 AM
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Well you and I are talking about it because it's become a bit of a cultural movement and a trend and it also takes a non-trivial amount of money and effort to travel and date internationally. It's called confirmation bias. You see what you want to see and what fits with your preconceptions. You think Asia is racist because you have seen examples of it and you don't look beyond them to the world around you. I'll reserve judgement based on the larger trends happening rather than some guy on Reddit…
/r/PurplePillDebate08/06/23 03:56 AM
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This is part of the point of my post. Just because a guy is struggling does not automatically mean it's his fault. Look at the different messages we tell men and women in our culture... We tell women that they are perfect exactly as they are. Lizzo is a sex symbol. They should never settle and are entitled to whomever they feel they deserve. A woman could have the personality and social skills of a cabbage and it wouldn't matter because a man is expected to carry the conversation and plan a fun …
/r/PurplePillDebate08/06/23 03:50 AM
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The problem is that we live in a world of full equality of the sexes... at least on paper and yet there is still this social contract that says the man is always expected to initiate and put himself out there and risk rejection. Feminists and people who complain about things like the wage gap never seem to have a problem with this either! Some women do ask guys out but there is no social expectation for it at all. For a guy, unless he wants to be single, it is mandatory.
/r/PurplePillDebate08/06/23 03:28 AM
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Women now don't cook don't clean , barely do anything sexual , dress like men and talk like men, Ouch! but so true
/r/PurplePillDebate08/06/23 03:24 AM
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Yeah, it's a double standard. The same women who tell each other to never settle and they deserve the best man they feel entitled to apparently don't feel foreign women should be allowed to do the same.
/r/PurplePillDebate08/06/23 03:20 AM
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Yeah, I think they are the ones who coined the term but it is an easy way to refer to guys looking for love and companionship overseas
/r/PurplePillDebate08/06/23 03:06 AM
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As soon as every boy and girl goes through puberty they know it biologically, psychologically and from social conditioning from others as well as all they consume or sources they learn from… sex is for reproduction, and both men & women want to reproduce with whoever they feel gives either best genetics, highest chance for survival (women seeking dominant men or assertive men or bad boys or players etc), or can give the best resources and shelter for provision & raising kids. If a women gets all…
/r/PurplePillDebate08/06/23 03:03 AM
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I'm mostly here to make fun of the fact that you don't seem to know what a strawman argument is.
/r/PurplePillDebate08/06/23 02:52 AM
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The woman was on the cover of Sports Effing Illustrated! It's not like he picked out some random nobody. He didn't call her ugly either, he said not beautiful. The tradition and history of the swimsuit issue has always been beautiful swimsuit models. He does not find the new trend of putting ordinary, older or obese women as a celebration of beauty and neither do I. If everyone is beautiful, nobody is. You can absolutely find beauty in every single human body and that is often a sign of true lov…
/r/PurplePillDebate03/06/23 01:50 AM
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Jordan Peterson didn't "simply say he did not find a large model beautiful." He acted like it was insane that anyone would find her beautiful You inferred all that from him saying "sorry, not beautiful"? Holy crap.
/r/PurplePillDebate03/06/23 01:23 AM
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I'll go back to the Jordan Peterson example. He simply made a comment that a large woman modeling for a swimsuit was not beautiful. ""Sorry. Not beautiful. And no amount of authoritarian tolerance is going to change that," He caught hell for that and was nearly cancelled. Authoritarian tolerance, indeed! it means that if you are not in absolute lockstep with what the woke consider beautiful, you are a regressive monster and should be cancelled. I'm not some JP fanboy but he was expressing an opi…
/r/PurplePillDebate03/06/23 12:34 AM
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My comment, as I said, was part of a larger comment on society, not shopping. you are either being obtuse or a troll if you seriously are going to pretend that people don't get shamed, ridiculed and even cancelled for not playing along with the "obese is beautiful" gas lighting. Look what happened to Jordan Peterson for simply saying he did not find a large model beautiful.
/r/PurplePillDebate03/06/23 12:23 AM
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But more importantly, what does this mean for society ? I think alot of us are tired of doing this exercise in gaslighting where we are supposed to pretend that someone who is morbidly obese is healthy or attractive. We shouldn't shame these people or make them feel like lesser than but we've blown way past that along time ago to the point where we are denying simple reality and shaming anyone who doesn't want to play along.
/r/PurplePillDebate02/06/23 04:22 PM
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The first example says "This is healthy!" No... This is gaslighting.
/r/PurplePillDebate02/06/23 04:19 PM
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Another of the many double standards when it comes to men and women. The typical argument is that it is exploitive because of the age and life experience difference. Well, that would be the same no matter which gender it is but society only goes nuts if men do it. Same with female teachers sexually abusing young male students. If the genders were reversed, there would be immediate calls for incarceration or public justice. Same with domestic violence against men by women. It is largely ignored o…
/r/PurplePillDebate02/06/23 01:09 PM
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Social media and dating apps created an abundance mentality and an illusion of choice. Our woke culture then proceeds to gas women up endlessly and tell them they are fine just as they are and can never be criticized. Women can be morbidly obese, have crappy personal style and no social skills and she will get a pass while a man has to become the best version of himself just to have a fighting chance.
/r/PurplePillDebate02/06/23 12:41 PM
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Here's a hot take.. men and women are different and they are attracted by different things. Men are attracted by youth and beauty while women are attracted by strength, confidence and status.
/r/PurplePillDebate02/06/23 12:29 PM
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"Women work harder and for less pay than men" Utter nonsense https://www.aei.org/wp-content/uploads/2018/09/jobs.png?x91208 https://ideas.time.com/2013/12/16/its-a-mans-world-and-it-always-will-be/
/r/PurplePillDebate02/06/23 02:16 AM
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...and nowhere NEAR the narcissism a 10/10 would have here in America
/r/PurplePillDebate01/06/23 08:20 PM
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Lets' stop and think about the experiences of a very conventionally attractive woman in western society. From the time she hit puberty, she is going to be almost like a celebrity in terms of getting attention, compliments and just having more advantages. What did she do to earn this? Nothing. Nothing in her life will likely bring her as much opportunity and power so easily and she gets it simply for existing. Call it "pretty privilege". Having a hobby such as say.. drawing or learning to play th…
/r/PurplePillDebate01/06/23 07:59 PM
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We are way too sensitive and easily triggered if saying "sorry, not beautiful" is an insult or considered bullying. He's allowed to have an opinion and express it and many agree with him but don't feel they are allowed to say so in today's society. We are being force fed a narrative that, like "everyone gets a trophy", "everyone should be beautiful" When everyone is beautiful, nobody is. The human body, at a healthy weight and in good proportions is beautiful. That does not mean you should shame…
/r/PurplePillDebate01/06/23 02:05 PM
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Feminism is and never was that egalitarian though. Hence the many double standards where "equality" seems to mean all of the benefits and none of the burdens. In other words, men keep their traditional burdens and share the benefits. You talk about society too and lets not forget that while women no longer need men, they have sort of outsourced that need to the "state" or society who do all of the dirty and dangerous work that keeps society humming and the dirty little secret there is that it's …
/r/PurplePillDebate01/06/23 01:18 PM
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Incel has become a meaningless catch all term that strayed from it's original meaning. Now it's used as shaming language to try and "win" an argument online and conversely it's also used as virtue signaling because the person accusing others of being one places themselves in the non-incel category by default. It's also a socially acceptable form of misandry and sexism against men that is really no better than slut shaming because it assigns someone's worth to how many or how little sexual partne…
/r/PurplePillDebate01/06/23 12:28 PM
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