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So, I hear the same exact complaint from younger men speaking about women. So how does that work?
/r/PurplePillDebate18/07/26 02:22 AM
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The prevailing idea in a lot of circles is that there is a genuine dearth of eligible men What does this even mean? Like a lot of men have "prevailing ideas" about women too. Does that just make those ideas automatically true?
/r/PurplePillDebate17/07/26 09:48 PM
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Married women report higher levels of life satisfaction and are generally healthier then unmarried childless women. It's been discussed here before but the assertion that single, childless women are happier is based on a retracted claim by a guy named Paul Dolan. He misinterpreted a study in his book but before he could acknowlegde the error, news articles had already reported on it. Gallup and the General Social Survey have both done large scale studies on this though. They're pretty easy to fi…
/r/PurplePillDebate17/07/26 09:46 PM
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How dare you bring nuance and logic into this conversation.
/r/PurplePillDebate17/07/26 09:38 PM
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I’ve said this before and some women do not like to hear it but it’s actually a good thing if someone with unrealistic or superficial standards remains single. Because I don’t think a person with those standards will treat their partner well
/r/PurplePillDebate17/07/26 09:23 PM
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What studies are you referring to? The most recent data I've seen suggests that dating-aged men and women both want relationships at roughly the same rate. The difference is that men desire short term relationships more, and women desire long term relationships more. There was one recent study showing that high school aged women do not want marriage as much as high school aged men, but that doesn't mean they want to be celibate and single the rest of their lives lol. And tbh, that kind of makes …
/r/PurplePillDebate17/07/26 09:05 PM
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Men don’t want oral sex to “be the best,” they want it because it’s pleasurable. And many women also enjoy pleasuring their partners as well and thus enjoy giving oral to men. That’s why it’s important to find a generous lover. Like you can “change” your views about sex but if you go from a generous sexual partner, to a non-generous sex partner, then your pool of potential partners is going to be very limited.
/r/PurplePillDebate16/07/26 02:35 PM
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Ok for sake of argument, swap out oral sex with vibrator/toys. My point still stands. Men don’t get anything out of it but they’re still actively doing it because it enhances the experience for women and it’s a dealbreaker *many women. Sure, women can change their mind about giving oral but that’s going to be a dealbreaker for a lot of men. I don’t think there’s anything wrong with that either.
/r/PurplePillDebate16/07/26 01:25 PM
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>At the same time, if you're promised that you'll get equal treatment, but then have to pay for and plan everything, and work a lot harder to get the same or similar result, you should leave. I wouldn’t even go that far. If you’re a generous sex partner, don’t date women that aren’t also generous sex partners. It’s really that simple.
/r/PurplePillDebate16/07/26 01:14 PM
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I agree that comparison is not productive but most women would find no oral sex to be a deal breaker and for some reason, that’s totally acceptable.
/r/PurplePillDebate16/07/26 01:09 PM
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With orgasms, yes. But that isn’t the only factor in overall sexual satisfaction. For instance, lesbian women report being the least satisfied with sexual frequency compared to bi and straight women. And there doesn’t seem to any difference between those groups when it comes to “general sexual satisfaction” (which goes beyond simply frequency and orgasms). This study does a better job of explaining it then I can so here it is. https://www.tandfonline.com/doi/full/10.1080/19419899.2024.2360998#d1…
/r/PurplePillDebate09/07/26 06:19 AM
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I didn't treat them as a monolith in the first place? You did.
/r/PurplePillDebate09/07/26 01:15 AM
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I don't understand how men hold all of the power and oppress women, but are simultaneously failing at life?
/r/PurplePillDebate08/07/26 11:33 PM
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Still haven’t looked it up huh?
/r/PurplePillDebate03/07/26 08:26 PM
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Actually, partnered/married people do report less loneliness. BUT almost every modern study suggests that men and women report the same levels of loneliness. And I think that just makes sense logically? Nowadays, a long term relationship is a much more calculated decision than in the past and there is much less social stigma around waiting for the right person to come along.
/r/PurplePillDebate03/07/26 06:19 PM
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Then why would you bring it up in the first place?
/r/PurplePillDebate30/06/26 11:16 PM
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Finding a partner in a non-western country is not human trafficking. If that's your definition, then quite literally anyone who married someone from a lower socio-economic class is a human trafficker.
/r/PurplePillDebate30/06/26 10:34 PM
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So, it’s your opinion that women in non-western countries are incapable of consenting to a relationship with a western man? Are you sure you want to die on this hill?
/r/PurplePillDebate30/06/26 10:01 PM
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I can’t even begin to explain how infantilizing (and borderline racist) it is to suggest that women in non-western countries are inherently incapable of consenting to a relationship. This is the best example of the horseshoe theory I’ve ever seen.
/r/PurplePillDebate30/06/26 09:59 PM
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Have you searched the origins of the movement? Or do you just openly support bigots?
/r/PurplePillDebate30/06/26 09:52 PM
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Is there not a societal pressure for men to display confidence as well?
/r/PurplePillDebate24/06/26 10:25 PM
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This is just patriarchal conditioning rebranded. Red pillers wouldn't disagree with you here.
/r/PurplePillDebate24/06/26 10:21 PM
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I don't put a ton of stock into the assertion that single women are doing great. Married women report being happier and healthier then single women, and there is no measurable gender difference in loneliness. Now, I think women are probably a little bit happier being single but certainly not enough to drastic cultural effects like you're describing.
/r/PurplePillDebate24/06/26 10:15 PM
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The primary social media platform used by 4B movement members in SK (Womad) was created because the previous platform they used banned transphobic and homophobic slurs. This isn't some conspiracy against women, you can easily find this information online. It's so obvious that you haven't done an ounce of research on this topic.
/r/PurplePillDebate24/06/26 10:09 PM
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It absolutely is a human right and I never said otherwise. I also have no issue with women following the 4Bs. If anything, I think women that follow the movement shouldn't be reproducing or dating/marrying men in the first place. They would be doing more harm to men (and society in general) by doing so. My issue is with the actions of it's members and the ideologies they've adopted. If you start doxxing and harassing innocent women and other marginalized groups, then I'm going to criticize you.
/r/PurplePillDebate24/06/26 10:00 PM
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4B was absolutely co-opted by western feminists lol. Most prominently after the Dobbs decision in the US. And honestly, 4B isn't even big in SK. It's more of a media sensation. Even high estimates suggest that it's a fraction of a percentage of the female population and certainly not enough to affect the birth rate.
/r/PurplePillDebate24/06/26 05:29 AM
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4B means not associating with men in any romantic capacity. So the concept of a woman being in a relationship with a non-misogynistic man doesn't exist.
/r/PurplePillDebate24/06/26 05:24 AM
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Have you actually read about the 4B movement in South Korea? I would highly recommend doing so before responding (search "Womad"). Because it's not an "anti-misogyny" movement unless your version of that involves homophobia, transphobia, and harassing other feminist women that don't strictly adhere to the 4 B's. It's just a female incel movement.
/r/PurplePillDebate24/06/26 05:21 AM
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>This is not true. I live in a blue state but in a red area, the only ones not getting play are conservative types. At least locally it’s really popular to claim you are independent or just don’t follow politics, usually indicating a Republican voter. People date/marry people that share the same values and come from the same background as themselves. This is a universal truth. And many people identify politically with one political party but behave differently in their personal lives. For exampl…
/r/PurplePillDebate24/06/26 01:48 AM
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I agree. The 4b movement in SK is also objectively incompatible with Western feminism (i.e strong support for TERF and homophobic ideologies) and they’ve been known to harass women who don’t strictly adhere to the 4 b’s. Which is another reason it didn’t become popular in the West.
/r/PurplePillDebate24/06/26 01:22 AM
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The only men who would be negatively impacted by the movement are very liberal/left-leaning men that would've supported the issues 4B complained about in the first place. Which is a bit ironic if you ask me.
/r/PurplePillDebate23/06/26 10:11 PM
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I mean, women say the exact same thing? And you even took it further than men and created an entire movement about it. And unsurprisingly, the 4b movement fizzled out in the West and in the country where it began (the birth rates in South Korea are actually rising now). I don’t even fully agree with the original poster but the idea that it’s just women opting out of dating is just laughable.
/r/PurplePillDebate23/06/26 09:13 PM
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So how much money a man while dating spends determines a woman’s safety? Because I know you don’t actually believe that. And you think that men don’t also risk their dignity when they “invest” in a woman? Idk. Maybe I’m wrong here but if your goal to minimize risk for women while dating, reinforcing traditional gender roles and bio-essentialism is probably the last thing you should do. And it’s no surprise that countries with high levels of gender equality typically do not have rigid courting pr…
/r/PurplePillDebate22/06/26 01:44 PM
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Idk what country you’re from but almost of half of women in the US voted “against their interests.”
/r/PurplePillDebate13/06/26 12:05 AM
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Princess treatment is just repackaged gender roles because it means women being provided for. Which is why it’s contradictory because many women that seek it, also claim to be feminists. And I’m not sure if you’ve interacted with many dating aged men but they are literally opting out of dating for the exact same reasons. That’s why it falls on deaf ears when women say they’re opting out. The difference is that it’s socially acceptable for women to complain about it but not men.
/r/PurplePillDebate13/06/26 12:03 AM
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Define “sub par”? Because men can’t simultaneously hold all of the power and wealth, while also being sub par. You have to pick a side.
/r/PurplePillDebate12/06/26 11:39 PM
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Because my comment is different than saying “this never happens because I haven’t seen it.”
/r/PurplePillDebate12/06/26 11:33 PM
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I just said that I’ve seen it in real life too?
/r/PurplePillDebate12/06/26 11:32 PM
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You could literally say the exact same thing about young men? Funny how it’s brain washing and indoctrination when women are affected but not men. They’re always the aggressor. And dare I say “not all women?!” Is that your argument here? Because it sure looks like it.
/r/PurplePillDebate12/06/26 02:13 PM
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I mean, I’m Gen Z as well. But I have a lot of younger Gen Zers in my family (both men and women) and I’ve heard directly from them. And yeah it’s anecdotal but when you hear the same social media rhetoric over and over again IRL, it’s fair to assume exists outside of the internet. And it’s not even attached to political parties anymore which is the craziest part. For example, a few of my younger family friends are pretty far left but they talk about wanting “princess treatment” and expect men t…
/r/PurplePillDebate12/06/26 02:05 PM
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Yeah, that’s called ignorance. When you just assume that your bubble is perfectly representative of the entire population. Do you think social media is not influential?
/r/PurplePillDebate12/06/26 01:53 PM
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45% of women voted for the “infringement” of rights? Did you just forget they existed? Maybe it’d be a good time to take accountability rather than “carrying the responsibility” or whatever that means.
/r/PurplePillDebate12/06/26 01:51 PM
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Then maybe 45% of women in the US shouldn’t have voted for that? Like do you not realize how infantilizing it is to suggest that women have zero agency or accountability when it comes to decision making in the US?
/r/PurplePillDebate12/06/26 01:47 PM
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Now you’re just making stuff up. I’ve been apart of many male focused charities and literally every single one was led by a man. There are also women-focused charities that have been led by men as well, does that mean men are doing the bulk of the charity work for women?
/r/PurplePillDebate12/06/26 01:44 PM
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Almost half of the women in the US voted republican. You can’t say “women want XYZ” because that’s objectively not true. Half of you aren’t even aligned
/r/PurplePillDebate12/06/26 01:42 PM
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I feel like you haven’t seen much dating/relationship content from younger women recently because you’re just objectively wrong. Maybe millenial women feel that money is less of an issue
/r/PurplePillDebate12/06/26 01:37 PM
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Women that don’t have kids earn the same as men and women are literally more educated than men. Like what are you even talking about.
/r/PurplePillDebate12/06/26 01:34 PM
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Except the men that are using women for sex are not getting taken advantage of for their money. Whereas the men getting used for money are probably not having a ton of sex
/r/PurplePillDebate11/06/26 09:53 PM
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Women are actively encouraged to multi-date so I have no idea why this is considered red pill
/r/PurplePillDebate10/06/26 05:00 PM
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Both men and women “profit” from being married. If you divide the median earnings of married couples by 2, its more then both single women and men.
/r/PurplePillDebate09/06/26 01:02 AM
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This is from a 2023 Gallup study: “The higher wellbeing of married adults relative to those who have never married can be found for men and women across all major racial/ethnic groups. Statistical models show that the association between marriage and wellbeing is also not explained by educational attainment or age.” Here's another 50 year longitudinal study from the General Social Survey conducted in 2022: “The GSS results showed that for women 18-55, married women were happier than unmarried wo…
/r/PurplePillDebate09/06/26 12:59 AM
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That’s not a study. But more importantly, she cites the same guardian article for every single claim you’re referring to. And guess what? The author of the the study referenced in that guardian article retracted his claim because misinterpreted data from the American time use survey. Read this for more info but you can actually find his retraction on his website as well. https://www.vox.com/future-perfect/2019/6/4/18650969/married-women-miserable-fake-paul-dolan-happiness Married women have a hi…
/r/PurplePillDebate09/06/26 12:57 AM
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Not according to the CDC and Medicare/Medicaid data. I actually can’t find a single study that never married women live longer. Do you want me to post the studies? They’re easy to look up as well
/r/PurplePillDebate09/06/26 12:22 AM
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Married women also live longer. They live the longest out of every other relationship demographic
/r/PurplePillDebate08/06/26 10:05 PM
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Why would you want to date that type of man in the first place? Having sex early on actually sounds like the perfect litmus test
/r/PurplePillDebate05/06/26 09:19 AM
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There is more than one study on gender and loneliness and they say the same thing. I can post them or you can just look them up yourself very easily. And I’m well aware of what statistical significance is. That’s not my point. Something can be both statistically significant yet unimportant or impractical as support for an argument. I assumed someone that’s not from the lay world would understand that. There is no “widely known” study that single women are happier than married women. In fact, you…
/r/PurplePillDebate04/06/26 03:42 PM
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If you’re speaking about “women” as a group in this context, it’s implied that you’re referring to a majority. And women “turning inwards” and making peace with themselves seems is definitely related to self actualization. Now you’re just being disingenuous
/r/PurplePillDebate04/06/26 08:25 AM
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The study said that women were slightly more likely (like a 10-15% difference if I remember correctly) to seek support from friends and family. But that doesn’t explain why women report being just as lonely as men. If these communities exist, then loneliness would be lower. It’s that simple. And the vast majority of the dating/relationship advice I see from women on social media is based on “being centered” in the relationship
/r/PurplePillDebate04/06/26 08:20 AM
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Believing that the majority of women are self actualized is quite literally the most egotistical thing you could possibly say.
/r/PurplePillDebate04/06/26 05:15 AM
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Cool, then there's no need to constantly post about men not meeting your standards.
/r/PurplePillDebate04/06/26 05:06 AM
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Men and women report loneliness at the same rate. Both also report having the same average number of friends. So you can tell yourself whatever you want but it's not reality
/r/PurplePillDebate04/06/26 05:01 AM
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What percent of men do you think are actually incels lol? Do you not go outside ever?
/r/PurplePillDebate04/06/26 04:29 AM
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It’s not weird at all. It’s a very real phenomenon. But I also think Asian men born in western countries get screwed over because of this perception as well. In the US, the demographic that marries outside of their race the most are Asian women.
/r/PurplePillDebate03/06/26 06:13 PM
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No. Confidence is just a traditionally masculine trait. And tbh, I think many of the dating woes women face are a direct result of the over emphasis of this trait (and men do this too with traditionally feminine traits as well). It’s not realistic.
/r/PurplePillDebate03/06/26 02:34 PM
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Not saying I necessarily agree with OP’s logic but the vast majority of women would put confidence at the top of their list of desirable traits. And it’s not like most men don’t value it either. They do. It’s just not nearly as important.
/r/PurplePillDebate03/06/26 05:16 AM
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What is your source?
/r/PurplePillDebate02/06/26 03:44 PM
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This is just not true in the West. According to government health (like the CDC and NHS), married women live longer than never married and divorced women. Feel free to look it up if you don’t believe me
/r/PurplePillDebate02/06/26 07:37 AM
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The vast majority of simp behavior isn’t remotely feminist. It’s just repackaged gender roles (I.e. princess treatment). And I don’t really care if a guy is proud that he had to beg or spend money on his partner to go out with him, but don’t get upset when someone disagrees
/r/PurplePillDebate07/05/26 07:06 PM
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I mean, the begging part would be simp behavior if you hadn’t already had a prior relationship.
/r/PurplePillDebate07/05/26 07:00 PM
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Also, would you really want to date a man that slut shames you for that in the first place?
/r/PurplePillDebate10/04/26 07:45 PM
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I mean, I slept with my now fiancée early on. I also dumped women before her that played the arbitrary “waiting game.” And guess what? The ones that wanted to wait didn’t seem to have an issue waiting with other people as it turned out. I think the better message here is that it’s better to be single than to play games.
/r/PurplePillDebate08/04/26 06:59 AM
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If you’re having casual sex while simultaneously looking for a serious romantic partner, then sex really isn’t that important as you say? And I don’t believe men or women compartmentalize those relationships because so many relationships start with casual sex and morph into romantic ones
/r/PurplePillDebate08/04/26 06:55 AM
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There were also bars/saloons at railroad camps. Does that mean bar tenders built America? Like you've just devalued the term to mean any service that existed during the expansion of the US
/r/PurplePillDebate01/04/26 02:29 PM
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Why not? It's literally no different then sex ed. Wouldn't t you want your kids to know about the benefits/risks? Or is that you're capable of understanding that it really isn't just like "any other job."
/r/PurplePillDebate31/03/26 09:39 PM
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"Built on the backs" of sex workers is just an insane statement to make
/r/PurplePillDebate31/03/26 09:37 PM
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If she’s not giving you Prince treatment, she’s not the one
/r/PurplePillDebate31/03/26 12:49 AM
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So you’re of the opinion that the more money spent on a woman determines her league? Very feminist of you.
/r/PurplePillDebate30/03/26 02:36 AM
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Women don’t care about the past up until the convo is about seeing sex workers or dating a friend. Then all of the sudden the past matters lol
/r/PurplePillDebate27/03/26 10:23 PM
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I mean, plenty of conservative men are in relationships. I feel like that’s the great irony of the 4B movement. You will fade out, but the guys you hate will marry and have kids.
/r/PurplePillDebate27/03/26 04:13 PM
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Lmao I know about at least “bi” women that have never had a sexual (beyond kissing) or romantic relationship with another women. And I know that’s probably the case for you as well. Labeling yourself as queer doesn’t actually mean you’re queer. And statistically this is true as well. There are far more gay men than lesbian women. You think that’s just coincidence?
/r/PurplePillDebate20/03/26 01:37 PM
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At work? Do you think that’s somehow representative of all of society? As public debate and discussion over the status of men in America continues, some have raised concerns about men’s struggles with loneliness. A new Pew Research Center survey finds that, compared with women, men don’t report that they feel lonely more often or have fewer close friends. https://www.pewresearch.org/social-trends/2025/01/16/men-women-and-social-connections/
/r/PurplePillDebate20/03/26 06:52 AM
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Virtually every study on this suggests that men and women report the same level of loneliness and the same number of friends.
/r/PurplePillDebate20/03/26 12:40 AM
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Virtually every study on this suggests that men and women report the same level of loneliness and the same number of friends. So, I don’t really think the male loneliness epidemic is a real thing.
/r/PurplePillDebate20/03/26 12:39 AM
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Does the study break down women by age?
/r/PurplePillDebate19/03/26 08:23 PM
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Actually, it kinda does. Married households with kids are significantly wealthier than non-married households with kids.
/r/PurplePillDebate19/03/26 06:12 PM
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Well, this fact would be relevant because it implies that the issue is more related to poverty. As opposed to “man bad.”
/r/PurplePillDebate19/03/26 05:57 PM
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Do you have a source for this or does it just help you sleep at night?
/r/PurplePillDebate19/03/26 05:54 PM
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I need to find the study but I believe the pregnancy domestic abuse rate is actually lowered for married women. It’s just significantly higher for non-married women
/r/PurplePillDebate19/03/26 05:48 PM
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Isn’t this exactly what I just said: Our findings examining the intersection of gender, age, and ethnicity revealed that, for age interactions, older single men reported lower life satisfaction and lower sexual satisfaction relative to younger single men.
/r/PurplePillDebate19/03/26 05:46 PM
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For younger, dating-aged women, I don’t think that’s the case. Unless you have stats/studies to prove me wrong
/r/PurplePillDebate19/03/26 05:19 PM
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I’ve posted this here before but married women have a higher life expectancy and a lower all cause mortality rate compared to unmarried, divorced, widowed women. They are literally the healthiest of any sub group including men. Here is data from the CDC and Medicare/Medicaid: https://www.cdc.gov/nchs/data/hestat/mortality/mortality_marital_status_10_17.htm https://pubmed.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/32875051/ Married women are happier as well. This is from a 2023 Gallup study: “The higher wellbeing of marri…
/r/PurplePillDebate19/03/26 05:10 PM
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I disagree that women as a whole are happier single. I think for older women, this is the case but definitely not true for younger women. Stats support this as well. Younger men generally want short term relationships more than women do, but younger women want long term relationships more than men do.
/r/PurplePillDebate19/03/26 06:01 AM
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Not all women can get pregnant?
/r/PurplePillDebate18/03/26 05:13 PM
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So, your belief is that women that don’t want or plan on having children should have a different standard of treatment in a relationship?
/r/PurplePillDebate18/03/26 04:38 PM
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Most of the time, it’s because they like feeling in control.
/r/PurplePillDebate18/03/26 04:29 PM
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Is that a fair analogy though? I think a better one would be that he spent time and money on Valentines day in the past but has no interest in doing that for you.
/r/PurplePillDebate17/03/26 03:59 PM
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According to this 2023 study, men reported being bisexual or gay at a rate of 6% and women reported being bisexual or gay at a rate of 7%. That’s a negligible difference. And you’re actually making the opposite point you think you’re making. There are more women than would date a man, then men who would date a woman according to these stats https://www.pewresearch.org/short-reads/2024/06/28/for-pride-month-6-facts-about-bisexual-americans/
/r/PurplePillDebate13/03/26 06:09 PM
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I mean, the men currently dating today are the not the same men that lived in a time where women needed men to provide financially. That's what I think a lot of people miss when they're discussing historical patriarchy
/r/PurplePillDebate13/03/26 04:14 PM
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Actually, the study found that more Gen Z women agreed with the statement "men should obey their husbands" then in past generations. It's a pretty faulty study but that's a different convo. To your other point. There are more bi-sexual women then bi-sexual men. But there are far more gay men then lesbian women. Also, many identify as bisexual but will still end up dating a man.
/r/PurplePillDebate13/03/26 04:08 PM
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I really don't think you need to say all of this because the study is extremely misleading to begin with. It was a global study that included some pretty conservative countries like India, Indonesia and Turkey. And it doesn't even explain how they're making an intergenerational comparison.
/r/PurplePillDebate13/03/26 04:04 PM
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I actually disagree completely. In the past, casual sex was less common but when it happened, it often turned into a marriage due to an unplanned pregnancy. I also think the term “girlfriend/boyfriend” didnt imply the same level of commitment as it does today.
/r/PurplePillDebate11/03/26 11:55 PM
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Isn’t the crux of the original argument about how the situation-ship and the husband are treated though? Rather then putting everyone into a ranking system
/r/PurplePillDebate11/03/26 11:48 PM
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If I like a woman both physically and emotionally, I wouldn’t hold off on sleeping with her to protect myself from the emotional fallout of her not feeling the same way in return. Why? Because at the bare minimum, I get to enjoy sex with an attractive person and there’s still a possibility romantic feelings develop. Like my fiancée and I started as a ONS turned casual relationship, and progressed from there. So many very successful relationships start this way too. And men that only care about p…
/r/PurplePillDebate11/03/26 06:51 PM
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I think the person you're responding to is being a bit extreme but I do think it's really strange to make the person you care about jump through hoops while being the initiator with someone you don't care about.
/r/PurplePillDebate11/03/26 05:51 PM
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For many of those women, the goal was casual sex and potential relationship
/r/PurplePillDebate11/03/26 05:45 PM
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For the vast majority of men, the physical standards aren't lowered for relationships. I think that's the key difference that's being misunderstood.
/r/PurplePillDebate11/03/26 05:40 PM
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I mean, you're just wrong lol. The US is 1.62 and Australia is 1.64. But none of this changes my point whatsoever. Clearly courting style has nothing to do with fertility rate. But I also don't think you even understand what you're implying in your comments. Do you think women's mate value is based on whether they split the financial costs of courting? because women aren’t going to pay to date mediocre men who bring nothing to the table Why are you going on a date with a mediocre man that brings…
/r/PurplePillDebate11/03/26 02:32 PM
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I think the expectations we put on men to fit gender roles also negatively impacts all areas of their lives. At least that’s what feminism suggests
/r/PurplePillDebate11/03/26 05:14 AM
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Then men wanting women to meet unrealistic beauty standards and not be promiscuous is also not sexism. Right?
/r/PurplePillDebate11/03/26 05:13 AM
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No. The natural result of women marrying men that make more money is that more women are going to make career sacrifices. Thats why they call it the “motherhood penalty”
/r/PurplePillDebate11/03/26 05:10 AM
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Australians split dating expenses and they have far more sex and higher fertility rate than the US?
/r/PurplePillDebate11/03/26 05:08 AM
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I’m not really sure what you’re getting at because no one here is suggesting that men are entitled to mate with women. Rather, it’s illogical to criticize men for hostile sexism while encouraging them to practice benevolent sexism. And you’re wrong that traditional courting is essential because in virtually every country with high levels of gender equality, traditional courting isn’t practiced. Most Western European and Scandinavian countries split dates.
/r/PurplePillDebate10/03/26 11:40 PM
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It’s 33% more likely than the mean. That’s probably what you’re thinking of
/r/PurplePillDebate10/03/26 11:28 PM
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I mean, you can't really complain about men being financially advantaged then? Like it's choice, as you said above.
/r/PurplePillDebate10/03/26 10:11 PM
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So I presume you have no criticisms of societal beauty standards that women face or sex/slut shaming? After all, those are just preferences by men.
/r/PurplePillDebate10/03/26 10:08 PM
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Your argument is that "men should do xyz in a relationship because nature dictates women's actions." So, why wouldn't the same logic apply to men? That's the fallacy of biological essentialist arguments. You're selectively applying it when it's convenient.
/r/PurplePillDebate10/03/26 10:04 PM
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In the US, 55% of households have a male primary breadwinner, 16% have a female primary breadwinner, and the rest have roughly equal earnings. Is that not a result of both hostile and benevolent sexism?
/r/PurplePillDebate10/03/26 10:00 PM
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It's actually the exact opposite. Today, any characteristic that is traditionally associated with masculinity has been deemed gender neutral.
/r/PurplePillDebate10/03/26 09:58 PM
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Are you absolutely sure you want to make the biological essentialist argument here? Because I think 99% of women would not enjoy being apart of a harem or having your lives dictated by dominant male mating partners.
/r/PurplePillDebate10/03/26 09:56 PM
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I think OP did a bad job of explaining it but women wanting men to fit a patriarchal gender role is sexism (which includes height, wealth, domineering personality, etc.). You can absolutely have those preferences but then you can't turn around and criticize male preferences.
/r/PurplePillDebate10/03/26 09:50 PM
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Ok swap out "provider" with primary breadwinner. It doesn't change my point
/r/PurplePillDebate10/03/26 09:46 PM
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Should women be feminine?
/r/PurplePillDebate10/03/26 09:40 PM
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Your experience is not everyone's experience.
/r/PurplePillDebate10/03/26 09:34 PM
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I have no idea where you're getting this stat from but 55% of households have a male primary breadwinner, 16% have a female primary breadwinner, and the rest is roughly equal.
/r/PurplePillDebate10/03/26 09:31 PM
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The study you probably referring to found that women were "1.6 percentage points more likely to suffer from partner violence if they earn more than their male partner." There's also a higher likelihood of mental health issues for BOTH spouses when the wife earns more. Which leads me to believe there are more factors involved
/r/PurplePillDebate10/03/26 09:30 PM
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You can’t really complain about the wage gap then. That’s why it exists in the modern era
/r/PurplePillDebate10/03/26 08:41 PM
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No. Women just select men that make more money then themselves
/r/PurplePillDebate10/03/26 07:45 PM
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Maybe provider isn’t the right term but most women certainly men to be the primary breadwinner (i.e. be responsible for the majority of the financial burden in the relationship).
/r/PurplePillDebate10/03/26 03:24 PM
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Is benevolent sexism not still sexism?
/r/PurplePillDebate10/03/26 03:20 PM
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Except they’re not both providers? At least the majority of the time
/r/PurplePillDebate10/03/26 03:18 PM
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Did you actually just say that ugly people shouldn’t have children lmao?
/r/PurplePillDebate10/03/26 12:20 AM
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How is her home life toxic lmao? Did you even watch the movies?
/r/PurplePillDebate17/02/26 12:33 AM
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No emotionally intelligent man is going to date someone who thinks that all men cheat, is cold and brutal, and is in it for the money. Like that’s the great irony behind Shera’s content. Following it attracts shitty men and you’ll ultimately end up exactly where you started. Shera is a perfect example of this. She’s not wealthy despite pretending to be (her public records show that her house is valued around 250k and she has past collections actions against her) and her husband is a total POS (h…
/r/PurplePillDebate17/02/26 12:29 AM
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Of course not. But the idea that every woman has a line of eligible suitors is just laughable because the number one complaint from women is that most of their suitors just want to use them for sex or they’re total weirdos. The idea that women have a sea of eligible bachelors to choose from exists on this sub solely because of men who don’t interact with women IRL and insecure women.
/r/PurplePillDebate16/02/26 12:30 PM
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How is that “Chad treatment”? I’m not even sure what you’re suggesting here?
/r/PurplePillDebate16/02/26 12:12 PM
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Did the men tell you that lmao?
/r/PurplePillDebate16/02/26 04:57 AM
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1) there are many, many available men who would be eager to date us Ah here we go again. Somehow guys only want to F you but there are "many, many" men that want to date/marry you as well. You need to pick a side here because otherwise it's a massive contradiction.
/r/PurplePillDebate16/02/26 04:43 AM
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You literally live in a country where 50/50 on dates is the custom. The simping conversation doesn't apply to you.
/r/PurplePillDebate16/02/26 04:32 AM
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Then you need to do the same for men? And that will never happen because a core tenant of feminism is eliminating patriarchal standards. But I think you're missing the overall point here. Not settling on physical attraction doesn't make you shallow. Women don't want to be settled for in that regard so why do you think men would?
/r/PurplePillDebate16/02/26 04:24 AM
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I think you're confused. When I first met my partner, I was physically attracted to her and wanted a sexual relationship with her. Myself (and most men) just want that feeling in return. What happens is that some women (by their own admission) didn't feel that way about men they're in a LTR with but have felt that way with other men they've had casual relationships with. That's why "husband material" has negative connotation in some contexts.
/r/PurplePillDebate16/02/26 04:06 AM
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Wife material is more attractive than non-wife material. I’m not sure why you would think otherwise
/r/PurplePillDebate16/02/26 02:10 AM
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Men are not arguing that paying for dates is harder than pregnancy. That’s a strawman. Men are arguing that “traditional” male roles (which includes courting) are not worth pursuing when most women are against traditional female roles. Not to mention, more and more women don’t want children in the first place, so it’s essentially a gamble to fund the entire dating process when the odds are so low.
/r/PurplePillDebate15/02/26 11:49 PM
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Women do not owe you niceness, sex, money, or basic human rights. Take your entitlement somewhere else creep. /s
/r/PurplePillDebate11/02/26 01:31 AM
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Effort and competition are two distinct concepts. You and OP seem to confusing the two. And the amount of effort you need to put in with someone that’s reciprocating is pretty minimal. Both partners are spending energy, time, money, to be around each other . That’s why people say it should “feel easy” with the right person,
/r/PurplePillDebate09/02/26 07:05 PM
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Unless you’ve been married for 5-10 years, marriage means literally nothing as well. That’s what you’re not getting. It’s just a piece of paper
/r/PurplePillDebate09/02/26 06:46 PM
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If you're successful, you're not competing against other men in the first place
/r/PurplePillDebate09/02/26 09:44 AM
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Thats not competition though lol
/r/PurplePillDebate09/02/26 09:36 AM
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The divorce rate for couples that dated 3+ years before getting married is significantly lower then shorter dating periods.
/r/PurplePillDebate09/02/26 06:57 AM
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Statistically, the longer you date, the lower the divorce rate.
/r/PurplePillDebate09/02/26 06:55 AM
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I'm at a lost for words because it sounds like she bragged about her dad refusing an important medical procedure for a Jacuzzi, and her mom just accepted it at the expense of her husband's health?!
/r/PurplePillDebate09/02/26 06:53 AM
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Non-marital relationships certainly matter socially, unless your social circle is filled with people incapable of committing to monogamy. And all of the legal considerations/protections of marriage are essentially the same as non-marital relationship unless you've spent a considerable amount of time in the marriage. You haven't accumulated enough marital property yet for the division to be substantial and courts will almost never award alimony unless you've been married for a decade or more, bec…
/r/PurplePillDebate09/02/26 06:48 AM
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he wants to make you his before anyone else gets a hold of you. Well, my fiancee isn't my property and if the only thing keeping her fidelity was marriage, then I wouldn't have dated her. And not that you should cheat, but that you should stay open to other suitors. Because that's what dating is. If a better option comes along, you're free to leave. The whole point of marriage is this isn't the case. So let me get this straight, you would marry someone that was entertaining other women up until …
/r/PurplePillDebate09/02/26 06:29 AM
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OP is a woman?
/r/PurplePillDebate09/02/26 06:23 AM
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Fortunately people who engage in online debates are not representative of the population.
/r/PurplePillDebate09/02/26 01:36 AM
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No it isn't. Two men on opposite sides of the world trying to hit the same bench PB are not competing. A personal record can never be a competition by definition. But as long as two or more people are striving for an objective and only one of them can complete it, it's a competition. It does. You prove that your product is cheaper/better/more cost efficient/etc and theirs isn't. You prove that you can win the race/championship/tournament/etc and others can't. There is no competition if everyone …
/r/PurplePillDebate09/02/26 01:34 AM
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You're literally just expanding the definition of competition until it's compatible with your argument and then applying narrow when your logic is scrutinized. And I highly doubt your applying the same standards for women otherwise you'd be essentially endorsing unrealistic dating standards that men have. It seems as if you're conflating effort and competition, and those two concepts exist irrespective of each other.
/r/PurplePillDebate09/02/26 12:58 AM
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Well unfortunately, your moral considerations don't have any relevance when you're using "nature" to justify human behavior. Nature doesn’t recognize rights, fairness, or harm against women, it only describes what happens. You can’t say “this is just how nature works” to defend one outcome, and then suddenly introduce morality when the outcome negatively impacts you.
/r/PurplePillDebate09/02/26 12:26 AM
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This is just a made up fantasy in your head. Young single men and women make virtually the same when you compare median earnings. Both young men and women report the same level loneliness and report having the same number of friends. And both young men and women report a desire for romantic relationships at almost the exact same rate. I don't even agree with MGTOW ideology, but young men are absolutely deprioritizing or delaying romantic relationships.
/r/PurplePillDebate09/02/26 12:07 AM
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Competition just means striving for a goal that others are also striving for simultaneously. an effort to prove you are superior and unique? Uniqueness doesn't inherently mean more competitive in business and sports. It's entirely dependent on what the goal/objective is. And chemistry is far more important then having superior traits when it comes to dating.
/r/PurplePillDebate09/02/26 12:00 AM
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Even if this was true, poverty would have the same effect on women. And it's not true because there no evidence of this claim in the first place. That's because "toxicity" isn't a clinical diagnosis. It's purely subjective. And you can't just say that being disagreeable is inherently toxic because being overly agreeable can also create "toxic" behaviors based on most people's definition.
/r/PurplePillDebate08/02/26 11:40 PM
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Non-married couples can also have a dead bedroom? For most monogamous people, sex is an expectation in a relationship, regardless of marital status. And the vast majority of women have less sex when it becomes a "wifely duty."
/r/PurplePillDebate08/02/26 10:50 PM
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Suboptimal according to whom?
/r/PurplePillDebate08/02/26 10:37 PM
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Except the longer you date, the lower the chances of divorce.
/r/PurplePillDebate08/02/26 10:36 PM
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I've never heard an actual married person agree with this statement because most monogamous people value fidelity and "single until married" is contrary to that. I think this is relatively straightforward. They'll move in, do all of the wifely duties (cooking, cleaning, caring, sex), and commit to a man fully, and then wonder why he doesn't propose. First off, caring for your partner and having sex isn't a "wifely duty." If you feel like those are "duties" then maybe you shouldn't be dating in t…
/r/PurplePillDebate08/02/26 10:20 PM
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Here we go again with the selective appeal to nature when it’s convenient for women.
/r/PurplePillDebate08/02/26 09:24 PM
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Like half of young men haven’t asked a woman out in the past year?
/r/PurplePillDebate08/02/26 09:21 PM
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That’s objectively not what competition is? You’re conflating it with self esteem.
/r/PurplePillDebate08/02/26 09:18 PM
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If you like spending time with someone, you’ll make an effort to spend time with them. Some women want to believe there is competition because they’re protecting their ego and are usually insecure. But most women will put in effort if they want to put in effort.
/r/PurplePillDebate08/02/26 09:14 PM
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“Scientifically and demonstrably”? What support do you have for this statement
/r/PurplePillDebate08/02/26 09:11 PM
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Except in Nordic countries, it's far more normal to split finances and dating expenses.
/r/PurplePillDebate08/02/26 08:15 PM
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Cool elaborate then lol
/r/PurplePillDebate03/02/26 08:33 PM
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I’m in my mid 20s lol. I’m not trying to be harsh but I would associate someone that’s into K-pop as being nerdy.
/r/PurplePillDebate03/02/26 08:21 PM
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There isn’t a communication breakdown because I don’t believe that it would automatically make you attractive to women. My belief is that if you’re going to dedicate your time to a new hobby/interest that could be appealing to women, pick something practical that you also enjoy yourself. In my experience, cooking and random creative hobbies made me stand out significantly from other men. But I just wouldn’t choose K-pop because it may actually limit your chances, rather than help them.
/r/PurplePillDebate03/02/26 11:51 AM
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Except young, dating-aged men didn’t live in a time where women were forced to be dependent? Similarly, dating-aged women didn’t live in a time where they had to depend on a man for survival. Individual humans aren’t born with a historical frame of reference. They react to their current environment. This is just a revenge fantasy scenario that you’ve constructed in your head. Polling data also just flat out refutes the idea that men are being “left behind” when it comes to relationships. Men and…
/r/PurplePillDebate03/02/26 11:26 AM
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Companionship is the primary benefit. There’s a reason that in every single western nation, married men and women live longer than their single counterparts. They’re also wealthier and less lonely. It’s not just pure coincidence.
/r/PurplePillDebate03/02/26 11:07 AM
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Women: “Ask women for dating tips instead of other men!” Also women: “How dare you ask women what actions men can do to make themselves more attractive!”
/r/PurplePillDebate03/02/26 10:55 AM
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Not trying to be that guy but K-Pop has an extremely strong fan base but in the west, it’s still relatively niche in terms of overall popularity.
/r/PurplePillDebate03/02/26 10:44 AM
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Women do show interest, to guys they are interested in… That’s why you’re a man, don’t marry a woman you had to “chase.” If she likes you, she’ll show it.
/r/PurplePillDebate01/02/26 06:00 AM
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The point just whizzed passed you. I highly doubt you criticize the orange peel theory or "women's intuition" to the same degree.
/r/PurplePillDebate01/02/26 03:51 AM
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I mean, women base their entire relationships on a singular “test” they learned on TikTok so you really can’t criticize men for having fast formulas.
/r/PurplePillDebate01/02/26 02:31 AM
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You didn't answer my question, what does appropriate mean in this context? The point is to be single instead of being with someone that is not appropriate for you. At what age are superficial standards appropriate?
/r/PurplePillDebate01/02/26 02:26 AM
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I truly don't think a single male here would criticize those standards.
/r/PurplePillDebate01/02/26 12:43 AM
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As if women don't criticize male standards. Do you ever interact with people in the real world?
/r/PurplePillDebate01/02/26 12:41 AM
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What does "appropriate" even mean? Are your standards static throughout your entire life?
/r/PurplePillDebate01/02/26 12:35 AM
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If the standards are superficial, then I think it's best those women stay single. We agree on that.
/r/PurplePillDebate01/02/26 12:35 AM
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It’s not even gender thing either. My fiancée and her married friends constantly tell their single friends this and they simply can’t grasp it. And I’ve had the same conversations with my single bros too. People need to hear that their standards are ridiculous sometimes. Like one of my fiancées friend will only date guys that get bottle service every weekend or spend a ton of money on her, and she will legit ask why she has the worst luck with men. Or my friend that only dates blonde bimbos and …
/r/PurplePillDebate31/01/26 08:04 PM
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Sure, but the ones that do last are reciprocal, not one sided. The divorce rate is actually the lowest it’s been since the 70s.
/r/PurplePillDebate26/01/26 08:16 PM
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Can’t really relate here because I was never desperate in my single years. If effort and financial contribution were one sided, then I would’ve simply just dated someone else. I love going above and beyond for my fiancée though.
/r/PurplePillDebate26/01/26 06:59 PM
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Are submissive trad wives known for their emotional intelligence?
/r/PurplePillDebate26/01/26 11:56 AM
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A person might say that “sole” and “unbalanced” have two different meanings and that intentionally conflating the two terms is a bad faith. That could have been their point all along.
/r/PurplePillDebate26/01/26 11:36 AM
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Right of course. And the expectation that someone must be solely responsible for childcare and domestic labor also doesn’t require them to be dysfunctional.
/r/PurplePillDebate26/01/26 10:57 AM
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Wanting someone less attractive so they “try harder” is the epitome of ego driven. Your comments just expose that you have an extremely fragile ego. It’s also just a clear sign that you have low emotional intelligence.
/r/PurplePillDebate26/01/26 09:40 AM
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This is total BS. The vast majority of healthy relationships I’ve ever encountered (including my own) involve are not one sided. In fact, it’s the opposite. This goes for men and women. If you actually like your partner, effort comes naturally. If the relationship is contingent on money or labor, it’s not going to last.
/r/PurplePillDebate26/01/26 09:01 AM
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A “traditional” family isn’t simply having a job lmao. You’re just arguing in bad faith
/r/PurplePillDebate26/01/26 08:48 AM
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As someone who grew up in a wealthy family and community, the vast majority of the sole provider husbands did not start off that way. It’s a poverty mindset. If two doctors get married, they’re not arguing about masculinity and who should be the provider. They’re simply building wealth.
/r/PurplePillDebate26/01/26 08:45 AM
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I think it’s pretty hilarious that you think women are giving “prince treatment” from the start.
/r/PurplePillDebate26/01/26 08:34 AM
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But you’re not treating them like the “best of the best” from day one. That’s the difference between princess treatment and reciprocity.
/r/PurplePillDebate26/01/26 08:31 AM
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What purpose are you serving as woman in this scenario?
/r/PurplePillDebate26/01/26 08:29 AM
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I think you’re confusing “chasing” vs. reciprocity.
/r/PurplePillDebate26/01/26 08:22 AM
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Universal healthcare is not a measure of gender equality unless you’re also measuring male health outcomes. If you wanted to use paid maternity leave as a metric, I would totally agree you. But they didn’t. The idea that there is gender equality in the UAE is precisely why your arguments. Over 50% of women residents in the UAE say that they would not report a rape to the police. Women can’t marry and divorce without permission from a male guardian. Domestic violence is basically legalized if you…
/r/PurplePillDebate24/01/26 12:19 AM
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Then we get to ask, does that correlate with overall high mortality? Is it consistent with health outcomes for issues affecting the whole population? Is it paired with other data points of concern, like high rates of violence against women, workforce inequality, and educational barriers? Has there been a trend of improvement or decline? Has there been an acute event that would logically affect the numbers? (Govt changes, war, fell into the sea, etc) Having the data is just the gateway to underst…
/r/PurplePillDebate23/01/26 09:01 PM
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I think the devil is in the details here because holding off for a couple dates is much different then three months. Or whether we're talking about actual PIV or all sexual contact. Either way, I still think your logic massively flawed. Like literally person on planet earth has misjudged someone's character after an initial meeting at least once in their life (whether that be positively or negatively). And I can't imagine spending a whole night with a person with such low emotional intelligence …
/r/PurplePillDebate23/01/26 07:15 PM
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This isn't true. Cardiomyopathy is a significant cause of pregnancy related deaths but pregnancy-induced cardiomyopathy is quite rare. Meaning, pre-existing heart disease is a factor in your claim. Deaths resulting from direct obstetrical care could potentially be considered as a metric for gender equality, but you're referring to deaths where the primary cause was not obstetrical care. And by that logic, even a perfectly gender egalitarian country would still fail to satisfy this metric if they…
/r/PurplePillDebate23/01/26 06:54 PM
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Might want to do a bit more research on this topic. https://www.npr.org/sections/health-shots/2024/03/13/1238269753/maternal-mortality-overestimate-deaths-births-health-disparities
/r/PurplePillDebate23/01/26 04:00 PM
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I mean, maternal mortality rate is still a bad metric for reasons like this: https://www.npr.org/sections/health-shots/2024/03/13/1238269753/maternal-mortality-overestimate-deaths-births-health-disparities
/r/PurplePillDebate23/01/26 02:50 PM
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Just as a side note, there are a lot of issues with how the how maternal mortality rate is measured in the US and there are studies suggesting that it’s significantly inflated. https://www.npr.org/sections/health-shots/2024/03/13/1238269753/maternal-mortality-overestimate-deaths-births-health-disparities And this has a large impact on their ranking because at the upper end of the distribution, a small number of misattributed deaths can make you go from 10th to 50th on the global rankings for thi…
/r/PurplePillDebate23/01/26 02:38 PM
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I think you guys need to pick a side on this issue because you can't use divorce initiation rate to say that men are lazy and incompetent in marriage, while simultaneously saying it's a useless stat. But that's a whole other convo. Also is this is the stat you're relying on for your argument? couples in which only the woman reported poor SRH, while the man was in good health, had the highest risk of silver split (0.8% compared to 0.5% for couples where both partners were in good health)
/r/PurplePillDebate23/01/26 04:34 AM
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researchers found that women faced a divorce or separation rate of 20.8%, compared to just 2.9% when men were sick. This study didn’t measure husbands leaving their wives. It measured the divorce rates when either spouse got sick. The title is just click bait. If you don’t believe me, read about the methodology yourself. And who is more likely to initiate divorce again? And btw, the divorce rate when women get sick is still well below the general divorce rate. Meaning, you’re significantly less …
/r/PurplePillDebate22/01/26 10:52 AM
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researchers found that women faced a divorce or separation rate of 20.8%, compared to just 2.9% when men were sick. For the millionth time, this study didn’t measure husbands leaving their wives. It measured the divorce rates. The title is just click bait. If you don’t believe me, read about the methodology yourself. And btw, the divorce rate when women get sick is still well below the general divorce rate. Meaning, you’re significantly less likely to get divorced when either spouse gets sick, c…
/r/PurplePillDebate22/01/26 10:50 AM
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I’m not single so I’m not complaining but I would say it’s around half of women that still hold those values. Many women are politically liberal but culturally conservative (this is also the case Black and Hispanic Americans as well). But not addressing that phenomenon is antithetical to feminism as well
/r/PurplePillDebate22/01/26 10:45 AM
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This isn’t entirely accurate. For one, there are far more gay men than lesbian women. And while there is a larger portion of bi women, 75% of them have no sexual history with the same sex (this is true for bi men as well). And secondly, there is contradictory evidence regarding your take on monogamy. Strict sexual monogamy as we know today may not have been prevalent, but that doesn’t mean early humans didn’t practice some form monogamy.
/r/PurplePillDebate22/01/26 10:39 AM
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I’m not even agreeing with the OP here but I feel like if a woman is strongly expressing interest and all the man does is actually speak the words, they’re not chasing
/r/PurplePillDebate22/01/26 10:26 AM
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This is just incel rhetoric
/r/PurplePillDebate22/01/26 10:21 AM
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Idk about that. There have been multiple online debates in non-manosphere spaces where there is a clear gender split. Like when this whole convo made it to Twitter/X, a lot of men understood that it may not be viewed as a compliment in certain contexts and a lot of women couldn't understand why that was. The manosphere has certainly hijacked the debate but there is nuance to this conversation. It some scenarios, it's very similar to women's critique of the madonna/whore complex
/r/PurplePillDebate22/01/26 04:16 AM
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It's easy to figure out if your standards for "relationship material" are surface level. But you're not going to observe prominent character traits or gauge their level of emotional intelligence after a few hours.
/r/PurplePillDebate22/01/26 04:02 AM
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I find it extremely hard to believe you know someone is relationship material after knowing them for a few hours.
/r/PurplePillDebate22/01/26 12:24 AM
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Saying that it’s exceptionally rare for men to contribute to child care and domestic labor is such a chronically online take. Yes, women do more unpaid labor but the average is like 3-4 hours more per week when spouses earn the same. I also don’t think anyone is suggesting that women should marry homeless men lol. Your examples are clearly the extreme cases, which makes sense because it would make your argument much weaker if you added any nuance. And I think it’s “having your cake and eating it…
/r/PurplePillDebate18/01/26 04:26 AM
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Equal footing as to what? Like what does that mean
/r/PurplePillDebate16/01/26 06:07 AM
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To play devils advocate, those same women have problem starting a fling with a guy who has the personality of a rock. I was fairly successful dating when I was single and I think a large part of that was just being attractive to some women. I think effort actually killed my chances on a few occasions.
/r/PurplePillDebate16/01/26 06:04 AM
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I mean if you read the study, really all it means is that women 10-15% more likely to reach out to family or friends when they’re feeling down. I also just find it hard to believe that women have a “safety net” yet still feel just as lonely as men. It doesn’t really make sense
/r/PurplePillDebate15/01/26 05:31 AM
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Women report loneliness just as much as men do: As public debate and discussion over the status of men in America continues, some have raised concerns about men’s struggles with loneliness. A new Pew Research Center survey finds that, compared with women, men don’t report that they feel lonely more often or have fewer close friends. However, men do seem to turn to their networks less often for social connection and emotional support. https://www.pewresearch.org/social-trends/2025/01/16/men-women…
/r/PurplePillDebate15/01/26 04:57 AM
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Then what would stop people from simply having kids to receive a “wage” rather then because they actually want to have kids? What if someone just had a bunch of kids? Do you multiply that wage? If it were possible, it would’ve happened already at some point in human history.
/r/PurplePillDebate14/01/26 05:01 AM
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It’s unlawful for an individual business to intentionally discriminate based on gender. If you’re analyzing the pay gap, you do it on a macro level. It’s not a specific policy, it’s a general sentiment. But there are many other factors besides this. I’m also not aware a study that has measured the same work, results, hours, experience, etc. so your hypothetical isn’t applicable either way. Think about how insanely complex that study needs to be, it’s unfeasible. In fact, many studies actually su…
/r/PurplePillDebate14/01/26 04:11 AM
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Then why would there still be wage gaps in countries with strong social welfare programs for mothers? If your gripe is with capitalism, has there ever been a socialist/communist country where women held the same social power as men? Personally, I couldn’t care less if women choose to select men based on their earning capabilities. Because as I said above, it doesn’t change things for me in a patriarchal system. I’m in a LTR and I have a successful career.
/r/PurplePillDebate14/01/26 03:49 AM
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Then you can’t really complain about the wage gap then? Like if the majority of women are selecting men that make the same or more so they can take time off their job to have kids, then companies will always favor men for career advancement and bigger roles. Obviously it’s not extreme IRL, but the effect is the same. Most men are still primary breadwinners, and this is the case even in countries that rank high in gender equity.
/r/PurplePillDebate13/01/26 11:31 PM
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If women selected for domestic skills/labor, men would start wearing maid outfits. But they don’t.
/r/PurplePillDebate13/01/26 11:19 PM
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A lot of women save money but have absolutely zero understanding of wealth management or investing, and it absolutely blows my mind. Like, they’ll put 50k in a low yield savings account and not touch it 10 years while their 401k contribution is at the lowest possible rate.
/r/PurplePillDebate13/01/26 11:04 PM
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If you date a teacher or a social worker from the ages of 22 to 30, they are effectively “brokies” by your definition. Like I live in a high paying teaching state, but the significant pay bonuses apply to veteran teachers or someone with significant certifications. And virtually every single woman in this comment section seems to want the same thing so, which was OP described in this post. Which is why I find this entire conversation to be so ironic, because it only further reinforces wage inequ…
/r/PurplePillDebate13/01/26 10:47 PM
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The starting salary of a teacher in Australia is double the starting salary of a teacher in the US and that’s not even an exaggeration. This is not realistic comparison. I agree that a dishwasher or a retail worker probably shouldn’t be having a family. I’m not sure anyone would argue with you about that.
/r/PurplePillDebate13/01/26 10:27 PM
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This is such a strange line of thinking because it essentially means that men should never get into a lower paying career field like teaching or public service if they ever want to have a family.
/r/PurplePillDebate13/01/26 05:43 PM
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His wife is a lawyer and he does commercial HVAC. Which means his wife took a risk and dated someone with lower earning potential
/r/PurplePillDebate13/01/26 05:27 PM
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The median salary in the US is $63k though and it’s ironic because it feeds directly into the red pill ideology that you ultimately need money to attract women.
/r/PurplePillDebate13/01/26 05:19 PM
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Men and women make roughly the same under the age of 35 and the wage gap is mainly a result of motherhood. So it’s not holding anyone back.
/r/PurplePillDebate13/01/26 05:07 PM
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I'm really struggling to believe you here because I've seen the way women talk with their other friends, and the last thing they would tell them is to change.
/r/PurplePillDebate13/01/26 04:24 PM
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so...but women are the prize, so why responding to your "reality" with that? Something doesn't add up. Or that was just like always a tactic to "put a woman in her place" meaning to make her feel low so that she would stay and view a man as a prize. Both are still just arguments to my point. Re-stating your opinion isn't an argument. And I don't think one partner should be the "prize' in a relationship. If you enter into that relationship as the "non-prize" partner, then you're not very emotiona…
/r/PurplePillDebate12/01/26 10:13 PM
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I know for a fact you’re single, which is insanely ironic considering I’m engaged. It’s like a poor person telling a rich person how to be rich.
/r/PurplePillDebate12/01/26 10:01 PM
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This is exactly why the term simp exists. Some women actively cheer on the phrase "his money is our money, and my money is my money." Men who date those women are usually simps unless money is literally no object (and that's a tiny percentage of men).
/r/PurplePillDebate12/01/26 06:40 PM
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I disagree. I'm engaged and in a healthy relationship, and I would absolutely label someone a simp if they constantly give without reciprocation. The problem is that the term itself has been bastardized so it really depends on the context. Like I enjoy buying my fiancee nice things, cooking a steak dinner for her, etc., but that's because there's pattern of reciprocation on her end. But I think it has a gender element to it because they are the ones making the initial relationship investment. On…
/r/PurplePillDebate12/01/26 06:34 PM
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You're conflating sex and relationships
/r/PurplePillDebate12/01/26 06:07 PM
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Starting with "what do you bring to the table" to classic "if you don't do it he'll find someone else who does". The table question is actually in response to women calling themselves the prize. Also, "if you don't do it he'll find someone else who does" started as "if you don't do it she'll find someone else who does". It started on X/Twitter "a lot of their energy is spent trying to impress women and trying to get approval and acceptance, which makes them less attractive to women." - if they a…
/r/PurplePillDebate12/01/26 06:00 PM
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For every one guy who thinks that, there's 10 more women that also believe it. Your singular anecdote kinda proves that point Also, when men call themselves the prize on the internet, it's sarcasm or in response to women saying it. When women talk about it online, they're being dead serious.
/r/PurplePillDebate12/01/26 04:41 PM
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This is from a 2023 Gallup study: “The higher wellbeing of married adults relative to those who have never married can be found for men and women across all major racial/ethnic groups. Statistical models show that the association between marriage and wellbeing is also not explained by educational attainment or age.” Here's another 50 year longitudinal study from the General Social Survey conducted in 2022: “The GSS results showed that for women 18-55, married women were happier than unmarried wo…
/r/PurplePillDebate12/01/26 04:33 PM
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women manage to collectively create their own reality Kinda disagree with you here because you're conflating sex vs. commitment. There isn't a shortage of women desperate for commitment. Hence why r/Waiting_To_Wed is entirely women. But I otherwise agree with your second point. It's often seen as a slight to women as a whole but it's not. That's why I don't whine about a woman's dating standards, no matter how ridiculous they are. Because the women that are being unrealistic, will eventually fig…
/r/PurplePillDebate12/01/26 04:08 PM
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Citing Guardian and Vogue articles as your sources should honestly get you banned from this sub. And just an FYI, the third article includes a claim by a guy named Paul Dolan and he has since retracted it. He made a methodological error when interpreting a large scale study, which essentially invalidated his argument. You can find multiple articles about it.
/r/PurplePillDebate12/01/26 03:38 PM
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This is from a 2023 Gallup study: “The higher wellbeing of married adults relative to those who have never married can be found for men and women across all major racial/ethnic groups. Statistical models show that the association between marriage and wellbeing is also not explained by educational attainment or age.” Here's another 50 year longitudinal study from the General Social Survey conducted in 2022: “The GSS results showed that for women 18-55, married women were happier than unmarried wo…
/r/PurplePillDebate10/01/26 07:29 PM
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I take that one with a pinch of salt because I believe that was an opinion piece. I think happiness is up to the individual. I think that was to counteract the miserable cat lady trope which is equally unsubstantiated. Normally, I would agree with this logic but it's absolutely shocking how many people believe that this phenomenon is true despite virtually every single western-based study suggesting that married women are happier. Go to any feminist/woman centric sub on here and it's just accept…
/r/PurplePillDebate10/01/26 07:54 AM
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Not a single one of those studies says that single women are happier or live longer than married women. Also, FYI married women have a higher life expectancy and a lower all cause mortality rate compared to unmarried, divorced, widowed women. They are literally the healthiest of any sub group including men. Here is data from the CDC and Medicare/Medicaid: https://www.cdc.gov/nchs/data/hestat/mortality/mortality_marital_status_10_17.htm https://pubmed.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/32875051/
/r/PurplePillDebate03/01/26 02:46 AM
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Do you live in an Asian country?
/r/PurplePillDebate02/01/26 06:35 PM
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The results from the study you posted from Asia directly contradict the conclusion. In multivariable analyses, being unmarried was associated with a 15% greater risk of all-cause mortality (pooled multivariable HR, 1.15; 95% CI, 1.07-1.24) compared with being married (Figure and eTable 3 in the Supplement). We further examined associations of subcategories of unmarried status with mortality. Compared with married participants, positive associations for death from all causes were found among thos…
/r/PurplePillDebate02/01/26 02:38 PM
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This claim is based on one study in a book from the author Paul Dolan but he retracted it because he misinterpreted data from the American Time Use Survey. This guy explains it here: https://www.vox.com/future-perfect/2019/6/4/18650969/married-women-miserable-fake-paul-dolan-happiness Recent studies show that married women are still happier than single married. Here is an explanation of a 50 year longitudinal survey by the General Social Survey: https://www.psychologytoday.com/us/blog/5-types-of…
/r/PurplePillDebate02/01/26 02:27 PM
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This claim is based on one study in a book from the author Paul Dolan but he retracted it because he misinterpreted data from the American Time Use Survey. This guy explains it here: https://www.vox.com/future-perfect/2019/6/4/18650969/married-women-miserable-fake-paul-dolan-happiness Recent studies show that married women are still happier than single married. Here is an explanation of a 50 year longitudinal survey by the General Social Survey: https://www.psychologytoday.com/us/blog/5-types-of…
/r/PurplePillDebate02/01/26 02:27 PM
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Women aren’t happier single than in a relationship though? What studies have shown is that single women are slightly happier than single men. I feel like this entire thread is basing their argument on a fall premise.
/r/PurplePillDebate02/01/26 02:22 PM
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If someone wants a platonic roommate they should seek that. If someone wants to live with their romantic partner, they should seek that. That's not related to splitting bills?
/r/PurplePillDebate31/12/25 05:13 PM
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I don’t actually mean a literal 50-50 split. Although I’d imagine that there isn’t a large earnings disparity between young Scandinavian men and women The person I was responding to said that men should 80-100% of the bills regardless of how much either partner makes, simply because for being a man.
/r/PurplePillDebate31/12/25 02:45 PM
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I’m not sure what you mean lol? Are you referring to platonic roommates vs a romantic partner?
/r/PurplePillDebate31/12/25 08:34 AM
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I’m not sure how hold your BFs brother is but if they’re under 30, that’s a bad idea for both the brother and GF. At that point, they should just get married
/r/PurplePillDebate31/12/25 08:30 AM
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I think for non-marital relationships, couples should go 50/50. Unless money truly isn’t an issue but that wouldn’t be the case for 99% of the dating age population. I’ve seen so many people hurt themselves financially (and emotionally) after moving in with someone and shouldering the financial burden only for the relationship to dissipate after a few months. But yeah I agree that if you’re married, money should be pooled together.
/r/PurplePillDebate31/12/25 08:29 AM
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I mean, the above commenter is saying that she wouldn’t even consider the relationship if bills were split. Why would you presume she wouldn’t leave when the money dries up?
/r/PurplePillDebate31/12/25 08:22 AM
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You do realize that this is a non issue in many European countries right? Is every Scandinavian couple just roommates lol
/r/PurplePillDebate31/12/25 08:19 AM
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So do women though? Like so many women here say that men are the “natural pursuers” because of our biology.
/r/PurplePillDebate24/12/25 01:05 AM
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Have you ever actually read the study about college men? It was not a diverse sample and it in only included 80ish men (can’t remember the exact number but it’s around that number). It also didn’t survey any women which I find to be a bit odd. But there were a ton of other issues as well. The study itself didn’t list the survey questions so we don’t know what was asked. And the answers were on a scale. So if a respondent said 1/10 likelihood of raping a woman and getting away with it, that would…
/r/PurplePillDebate24/12/25 01:00 AM
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No? Where was that implied?
/r/PurplePillDebate24/12/25 12:49 AM
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Well, that’s because it’s a dog, not a human. Why would you treat any person like a pet?
/r/PurplePillDebate23/12/25 11:25 PM
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If you’re going to suggest that most men don’t care or support their partners, then you’re not arguing in good faith.
/r/PurplePillDebate19/12/25 08:41 PM
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You basically just said, “alpha fuck, beta bucks” lmao
/r/PurplePillDebate19/12/25 08:39 PM
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Women can’t really complain about the gender pay gap then because it’s a natural result of motherhood and women choosing to de-prioritize their career.
/r/PurplePillDebate19/12/25 08:38 PM
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Not saying I agree or disagree with your conclusion but I will say that many women seem to support biological essentialism when it’s convenient and dismiss it when it has negative implications.
/r/PurplePillDebate19/12/25 08:22 PM
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My very progressive friend had a gf that would make him pay for everything. He was with her because he had no options. A lot of women don’t want to admit this but it’s true.
/r/PurplePillDebate19/12/25 08:17 PM
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The “friends to lovers” that most guys envision is they are both single, he thinks she’s sexually attractive, she thinks he isn’t, and he tries to convince himself that she will feel differently. Doesn’t work that way. That’s the proverbial “friend zone.” Friends to lovers is exactly how it sounds and men understand this.
/r/PurplePillDebate18/12/25 04:07 AM
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Some are lonely, some aren't. That's literally my point lol
/r/PurplePillDebate17/12/25 07:23 PM
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Women report the same levels of loneliness across all age groups. Your opinion can be nullified with studies. In general, women tend to connect with friends and family slightly more than men do, but that doesn’t mean men are lonelier. As public debate and discussion over the status of men in America continues, some have raised concerns about men’s struggles with loneliness. A new Pew Research Center survey finds that, compared with women, men don’t report that they feel lonely more often or have…
/r/PurplePillDebate17/12/25 05:48 PM
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Married women have a higher life expectancy and a lower all cause mortality rate compared to unmarried, divorced, widowed women. They are literally the healthiest of any sub group including men. Here is data from the CDC and Medicare/Medicaid: https://www.cdc.gov/nchs/data/hestat/mortality/mortality_marital_status_10_17.htm https://pubmed.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/32875051/
/r/PurplePillDebate17/12/25 04:42 AM
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I don’t why this keeps getting repeated but it’s not true. Married women report higher life satisfaction then never married and divorced women: “The higher wellbeing of married adults relative to those who have never married can be found for men and women across all major racial/ethnic groups. Statistical models show that the association between marriage and wellbeing is also not explained by educational attainment or age.” https://news.gallup.com/poll/642590/married-americans-thriving-higher-ra…
/r/PurplePillDebate17/12/25 04:40 AM
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Women do not feel most alone in hetero relationships. Some do, but single, divorced, and widowed, have significantly worse physical and mental health compared to their married counterparts.
/r/PurplePillDebate17/12/25 03:55 AM
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No one said desperate men don’t exist. It’s just that women generally don’t respect guys like that nor will consider a long term future with them because it’s a sign they’re lacking emotional intelligence. And it’s not really a gendered thing either. Guys don’t like desperate women either.
/r/PurplePillDebate16/12/25 09:57 PM
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Her cognitive dissonance is impressive
/r/PurplePillDebate16/12/25 08:50 PM
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When you're dating men, what percent of the time do you ask them out?
/r/PurplePillDebate16/12/25 08:49 PM
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So you have a gendered expectation specifically for men?
/r/PurplePillDebate16/12/25 08:43 PM
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If that's your prerogative, then don't date. I'm literally engaged so it's a moot point for me personally. But you're not really addressing the point of my comment. If most women want men with traditional relationship values, and most men with traditional relationship values are conservative. What do you expect is going to happen?
/r/PurplePillDebate16/12/25 08:41 PM
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You said you’re Bi in another post so do you pay everytime you go out with a GF?
/r/PurplePillDebate16/12/25 08:12 PM
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Basically, you want equal treatment in society but will only date men that would vote against that. So if you’re a man, the solution is?
/r/PurplePillDebate16/12/25 08:00 PM
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Undesirable men= expendable but undesirable women=choosing to not get married. Got it.
/r/PurplePillDebate16/12/25 02:23 AM
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That definitely explain dead bedrooms because lesbians deal with the same issues (aka lesbian bed death). I think it ultimately boils down to hormones fluctuations that women experience with pregnancy and menopause
/r/PurplePillDebate16/12/25 02:10 AM
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I have multiple large dildos and vibrators that I use with my partner so I'm not anti-toys whatsover. But I think toys can be less enjoyable for a guy if it's the primary focus, rather then a tool to enhance the experience. Like if OP is going to be using the dildo every single time they have sex, then I can see where insecurities might come in.
/r/PurplePillDebate16/12/25 02:06 AM
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I don’t really think this is true while dating. Men spend thousands more on their partners while dating. They’ve even done studies on this
/r/PurplePillDebate13/12/25 09:44 PM
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In what ways are you showing intention then? Like in my scenario, my fiancée and I both displayed romance and intention (both of us chose not to pursue new connections and we didn’t keep any of our prior ones). It also doesn’t really matter if you’re physically sleeping with other people. You’re still actively maintaining romantic connections. If you have a strong initial connection with one particular person and its reciprocal, then it’s worth the risk of losing other potentials. It may not wor…
/r/PurplePillDebate10/12/25 10:31 AM
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It shouldn’t be this difficult when you have to a romantic connection with someone. Like when I started dating my now-fiancée, I wasn’t actively looking for other women but I also wasn’t immediately demanding exclusivity after the first month or so of dating. And tbh, we may not be together if she was dating/sleeping with other guys during the time we weren’t “technically exclusive.” I would have held her to the same standard that I hold myself too.
/r/PurplePillDebate10/12/25 04:06 AM
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Can you post your sources? Because here are two recent studies that show the opposite: “The higher wellbeing of married adults relative to those who have never married can be found for men and women across all major racial/ethnic groups. Statistical models show that the association between marriage and wellbeing is also not explained by educational attainment or age.” https://news.gallup.com/poll/642590/married-americans-thriving-higher-rates-unmarried-adults.aspx Here’s another 50 year longitud…
/r/PurplePillDebate09/12/25 06:36 AM
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The studies don’t say that. I don’t why this keeps getting parroted but it’s not true. Married women still report higher life satisfaction then never married and divorced women: “The higher wellbeing of married adults relative to those who have never married can be found for men and women across all major racial/ethnic groups. Statistical models show that the association between marriage and wellbeing is also not explained by educational attainment or age.” https://news.gallup.com/poll/642590/ma…
/r/PurplePillDebate09/12/25 06:35 AM
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I mean, the idea that “women are happier single” is also fan fiction. There aren’t studies to support this. They all suggest that married women are happier. Everyone just cites one study (from Paul Dolan) that was retracted from his book because misinterpreted the data from the American Time Use Survey. I don’t why this keeps getting parroted but it’s not true. Married women still report higher life satisfaction then never married and divorced women: “The higher wellbeing of married adults relat…
/r/PurplePillDebate09/12/25 06:34 AM
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Ok. Post your source but I have a feeling I know exactly what you’re going to post and it’s going to be a claim that was retracted. Because ive had this argument like 10 times already
/r/PurplePillDebate01/12/25 07:39 PM
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It literally is fake though. Every single study shows that men and women report roughly equal levels of loneliness. It’s not made up my solely women though. It seems to be both women and men parroting this unsupported claim. And also worth mentioning that single women do not report being happier than married women. We’ve had this discussion on this sub multiple times and recent data doesn’t support this claim.
/r/PurplePillDebate01/12/25 04:46 PM
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Single women are happier than single men. They’re not happier than married women. That’s what multiple recent studies have shown.
/r/PurplePillDebate01/12/25 04:43 PM
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Women aren’t happier single though? This has been disproven on this sub multiple times already
/r/PurplePillDebate01/12/25 04:41 PM
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“Hobosexual” is literally 50% of married women.
/r/PurplePillDebate30/11/25 10:17 PM
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If I accused you of mugging me, presumably we would be questioned about it. And if there was any doubt, there wouldn’t be a presumption that you did it. This is the problem with your logic. No one has ever said believe all mugging victims because that would be just totally illogical. I’m not entirely sure what you mean by we don’t have problem with other crimes being reported? The vast majority of crimes to the person (assault, battery, etc.) are not reported. I have been assaulted and battered …
/r/PurplePillDebate30/11/25 10:15 PM
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If a very successful and attractive woman dates a broke loser, you guys would call her an abuse victim lol. But when women do the reverse scenario, it’s just “high standards.”
/r/PurplePillDebate30/11/25 10:46 AM
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So then why would she post it?
/r/PurplePillDebate30/11/25 07:17 AM
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She posted the video after the ordeal happened? What is she protecting herself from exactly?
/r/PurplePillDebate30/11/25 07:16 AM
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It’s not about systematic inequality. It’s the fact that in the MeToo era, a person can be put on trial by the public and have millions of people calling them a rapist, all because one woman lied for social media clout. That’s why it’s an issue. We’re told to “Believe All Women” and make the ridiculous assumption that all women are telling the truth all of the time.
/r/PurplePillDebate30/11/25 03:55 AM
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In what world is it ethical to post a video of a naked person that could be dead?
/r/PurplePillDebate30/11/25 03:48 AM
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Why shouldn’t she lose her job? She illegally filmed a naked person in their own and posted the video online for clout. Like I truly don’t understand why you’re choosing to die on this hill. This guy had millions of people calling him a rapist online all because she wanted to create a viral post.
/r/PurplePillDebate30/11/25 03:44 AM
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No. It is how it works. That’s why she’s being charged with multiple felonies.
/r/PurplePillDebate30/11/25 03:41 AM
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Can you re-post where the ring cam was discussed on TwoX? Because she was just charged recently and those posts are 40 days old.
/r/PurplePillDebate30/11/25 03:40 AM
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They wouldn’t have charged her with multiple felonies if the video wasn’t clear evidence of her opening the door. I worked in a prosecutors during law school, so I’m not just talking out of my ass here. The fact that the video isn’t public yet has no bearing the validity of the evidence. The state usually doesn’t attach video evidence to the charging documents because they don’t have to, so it’s makes no sense to disclose evidence prematurely. Video evidence typically doesn’t become public until…
/r/PurplePillDebate30/11/25 03:31 AM
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He didn’t just get “embarrassed,” she had 100s of thousands of people convinced he committed sexual assault. And that’s not an exaggeration whatsoever. The Tik Toks and X posts had millions of people commenting about him. I would imagine his life will never be the same after this. Like imagine And this wasn’t victim blaming, it was a blatant lie used to exploit someone for social media attention. It’s a completely different scenario. If TwoX has far better things to worry about, then why did the…
/r/PurplePillDebate30/11/25 03:13 AM
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Oh I know. I don’t think they’re representative of all women. But TwoX is probably the largest feminist-adjacent subs on here. So one would hope that a moderate stance would prevail.
/r/PurplePillDebate29/11/25 06:59 PM
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For men, it’s saying “females” and for women it’s just calling everyone a misogynist or incel.
/r/PurplePillDebate29/11/25 06:48 PM
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Fair enough. I did see women on X saying that it’s wrong for her to lie so I’m really only speaking about the echo chambers on here
/r/PurplePillDebate29/11/25 06:43 PM
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That’s because it’s part of an ongoing investigation. The prosecution is only going to attach what they need to charge her with the crime (in order to protect the investigation). A summary of the footage is all that’s required to establish probable cause. Hence why body cam footage is usually released long after the person is charged.
/r/PurplePillDebate29/11/25 06:38 PM
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It makes sense. In my experience, the majority of women don’t like arguing for fun and a lot of men start doing it at an early age (i.e sports, video games, etc.).
/r/PurplePillDebate29/11/25 06:04 PM
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Believe it or not, guys can also tell when it’s a woman cosplaying as a man. Especially during arguments.
/r/PurplePillDebate29/11/25 05:45 PM
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I didn’t see a single online women’s space (like TwoX) come out and say anything after the fact. It’s always men speaking about it as usual.
/r/PurplePillDebate29/11/25 05:33 PM
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You’re wasting your time. She could’ve killed a puppy and this commenter would find a way to justify it because she’s a woman.
/r/PurplePillDebate29/11/25 05:18 PM
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There aren’t direct quotes or definitive statements because it’s now evidence in an active legal case. The police aren’t “silent” on this issue because they’re hiding it. They literally cannot give this info to the public.
/r/PurplePillDebate29/11/25 05:14 PM
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*No desire. But you should really re-read some of those comments. They’re literally saying they don’t care that the sex isn’t the best because the overall relationship is the best. It’s the opposite of a growth mindset. A growth mindset would be “it’s good but it’s getting better and better” or we’re building something together that is becoming the best.” That mindset is actually the ideal situation for most couples. And I presume that the your research requires sexual satisfaction from both par…
/r/PurplePillDebate29/11/25 11:50 AM
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I’m willing to bet that if you asked the partners of those women about the quality of their sex life, they’d say it’s lacking. I’d bet they’d say that they wish their partner was more uninhibited and passionate. Because I think that’s ultimately the issue with your mentality. Those women have no desire to make it better, because they’ve already had the best.
/r/PurplePillDebate29/11/25 10:55 AM
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No. It’s really not that hard to be the best. What you’re describing sounds like a lack of interest/effort to actually make it better.
/r/PurplePillDebate29/11/25 10:49 AM
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I saw a lot more comments that didn’t say that. That’s actually my issue with this topic. It seems like some women in those comment sections were in the belief that no one could top this one guy from their past, which is just a really bad attitude to have about sex
/r/PurplePillDebate29/11/25 10:47 AM
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I don’t like the word “train,” but I agree with your overall sentiment. If both sides are putting in effort, it really should be the best or near the best.
/r/PurplePillDebate29/11/25 01:04 AM
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I slept around and my partner is still the best by far. I’ve also had toxic partners that were pretty great in bed as well but it’s not close. Sex is really good with someone you’re intensely physically attracted to and you have an emotional connection.
/r/PurplePillDebate29/11/25 12:59 AM
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So why would you not filter out those men early?
/r/PurplePillDebate25/11/25 10:45 PM
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The thing that he finds out about her could also be that he finds they aren't very sexually compatible and because they slept together fast he's less motivated to work on that than he would've been if he knew her better/longer and knew more cool things about her that make her worth the effort of making their sex life better. This paragraph doesn't make any sense. If you're sexually incompatible, waiting will create more issues. You can't fix incompatibility. You can work around it, but I don't a…
/r/PurplePillDebate25/11/25 10:43 PM
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Yeah the whole "Men are spending all of there money on porn" trope is just BS. Like half of Onlyfans users are married men.
/r/PurplePillDebate25/11/25 10:16 PM
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If you’re marrying someone, you should be their best sex partner. It’s really not that hard to do.
/r/PurplePillDebate25/11/25 05:21 PM
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I don’t think anyone should get into a relationship thinking they have to be the best from the start. And there are certain categories where it’s not possible or practical. Or situations where it has absolutely zero impact on the relationship (like my fiancée’s ex was a wannabe rapper and I’m sure he could do that better than me lol). But sex and physical intimacy is an important category in a relationship. Not the most important, but for most people, it’s near the top of the list. And it’s an u…
/r/PurplePillDebate25/11/25 05:13 PM
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Did I suggest otherwise? I feel like you're purposefully missing my point. Would you date a man that doesn't want to incorporate sex toys or give oral, but did it with all of his partners?
/r/PurplePillDebate25/11/25 04:46 PM
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There are other responses from women that didn't receive the same response as yours, why do you think that is? The topic was what could make dating better. Most of the things you mentioned weren't dating related. That's been my point the entire time.
/r/PurplePillDebate25/11/25 04:41 PM
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If I'm having sex with only one person the rest of my life, why would I not have standards for that?
/r/PurplePillDebate25/11/25 03:58 PM
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This wouldn’t be an issue as long they were open to trying other things. And I think that’s not often the case.
/r/PurplePillDebate25/11/25 09:33 AM
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Which is a bit ironic because black women are the least likely demographic to be married.
/r/PurplePillDebate24/11/25 03:50 PM
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Widows have a lower life expectancy and a higher all cause mortality rate compared to married women. Here is data from the CDC and Medicare/Medicaid: https://www.cdc.gov/nchs/data/hestat/mortality/mortality_marital_status_10_17.htm https://pubmed.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/32875051/
/r/PurplePillDebate23/11/25 10:10 PM
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That study is the perfect example of poor media literacy and how people will blindly believe something as long as it fits their narrative.
/r/PurplePillDebate23/11/25 10:08 PM
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Every single one of your sources cites the same study by Paul Dolan, but it was retracted due to a methodology error: https://greatergood.berkeley.edu/article/item/is_marriage_really_bad_for_womens_happiness
/r/PurplePillDebate23/11/25 10:03 PM
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No a consensus has been reached for virtually every western nation. Here is data from the CDC and Medicare/Medicaid: https://www.cdc.gov/nchs/data/hestat/mortality/mortality_marital_status_10_17.htm https://pubmed.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/32875051/
/r/PurplePillDebate23/11/25 10:01 PM
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I’m not going to respond to each of your arguments anymore because you’re basically just saying “No I’m right.” So, there no point in debating when you don’t provide any nuance. The birthrate issue is an economic issue. It always been. If you want to talk about that, we can but I don’t think it has any bearing on this argument. If you’re an 8/10, then you should be able to raise that number to 9/10 or 10/10 after years of having sex. It’s not that fucking hard. Seriously, if you communicate and …
/r/PurplePillDebate23/11/25 02:53 AM
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The domestic labor doesn’t even make sense during the dating phase. Very few women are cooking and cleaning for someone they’re just dating. And lying by omission isn’t gendered whatsoever. I would even argue that more women lie by omission when it comes to their past.
/r/PurplePillDebate23/11/25 02:29 AM
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Do you think an echo chamber of divorced men would have a good read on the dating world lol? And for the 100th time, I do listen to women. I just told you I agreed with many of the comments here. Just not yours. "Most of y'all only value info that confirms your beliefs." Your entire Tik Tok page is you posting articles, reddit posts, Twitter/X posts, etc. that confirm your beliefs. I've literally never seen you post anything that makes women look bad. Ever.
/r/PurplePillDebate21/11/25 09:49 PM
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I can agree with you on that. However, I think that's already happening right now so it seems like a moot point.
/r/PurplePillDebate21/11/25 09:41 PM
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Dude you can seriously expect me to this take argument seriously lol? "Occam's Razor works just fine. The simplest answer is usually the correct one. Women who are free of coercion (e.g. the western world) have no reason to pair up for life in monogamous sexual relationships with men they aren't sexually attracted to. It's conspiratorial to assert claims otherwise without proof. Your claim and mine are not equal." You're answer isn't the simplest just because it makes the most sense to you. I ca…
/r/PurplePillDebate21/11/25 09:40 PM
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I didn't know every single man sleeps with strippers on their bachelor parties. Did you just assume that was the case because you saw it in a movie?
/r/PurplePillDebate21/11/25 09:23 PM
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There are other women on this post with far better advice though. This comment just assumed a bunch of negative qualities about men.
/r/PurplePillDebate21/11/25 09:02 PM
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You have a large following of angry single women lol. I've seen your Tik Toks. It's literally all divorced women.
/r/PurplePillDebate21/11/25 08:58 PM
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Why do you assume men aren't doing the things on the list already?
/r/PurplePillDebate21/11/25 08:57 PM
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The point was that you didn't come here to give advice about the dating world, and your subsequent comments are perfect evidence of that. You have a low opinion of most men, so any advice that you give is not going to actually make the dating world easier. I knew that immediately after reading it. And when I asked you to elaborate on reciprocity, you got scared away.
/r/PurplePillDebate21/11/25 08:54 PM
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Do you think rape is policed out and punished in rigid patriarchal societies? And no one is demanding women provide a service. But if you're going hold men to the standards of feminism and not yourself, then feminism will be taken less seriously as a whole. Basically, "do as I say, not as I do." and it's not just men vs. women initiating. It's a combination of that and many other traditional gender norms.
/r/PurplePillDebate21/11/25 08:37 PM
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I’m not actually. I started my relationship as a hookup that turned into something more. But I didn’t have sex because I wanted a relationship. I had sex because I wanted to have sex. That’s the part you’re not getting.
/r/PurplePillDebate21/11/25 08:18 PM
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What are you talking about lol? I’ve been on 10 bachelor parties in my life and not a single one of them was about entertaining hotter women before “settling down.“ Any man who thinks that shouldn’t be getting married either. I’d say the same thing I said to you.
/r/PurplePillDebate21/11/25 08:15 PM
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The entire point of this sub is challenging each others viewpoints. And I actually agree with many responses on this post. I just don’t think you came here to give actual advice but to prove a point.
/r/PurplePillDebate21/11/25 08:09 PM
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No. The point flew over your head. If men engaged in similar behaviors, would it be just a cruel fact of nature? Because last time I checked, those behaviors are socially condemned. And I know for a fact you aren’t interested in being apart of harem. You’re using a biological justification to justify women’s behavior, but you would never do the same for men’s behavior because it would have negative implications for women.
/r/PurplePillDebate21/11/25 07:28 PM
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I should. I think she’d actually explain her viewpoints rather than being vague, and she would be a lot less jaded about dating.
/r/PurplePillDebate21/11/25 07:16 PM
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and by extension, society - because allegedly 45% of 25-44 women will be single by 2030, women mysteriously aren't "settling" then. I don’t believe in hypergamy so I’m not sure what you’re getting but this projection is largely based on the fact that the age of first marriage is getting higher. Which makes complete sense to me. And unless you provide proof of this anyway these are just words you're saying, not actually evidence of your position. You haven’t provided proof to support your positio…
/r/PurplePillDebate21/11/25 07:01 PM
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I had casual sex too. I slept with my now-fiancée very early on. Why? Because I desired her a lot. We basically started off as casual but realized we both wanted more. It’s literally that simple. If she was like “I like you but I’m going to wait to have sex but I’m also going to sleep with other people casually,” then I would’ve just moved on. Why is this difficult to understand.
/r/PurplePillDebate21/11/25 06:47 PM
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Is it a double standard that male lions have harems and practice infanticide to secure mating rights? Isn't that "just nature" too? Or is biological essentialism only valid when it benefits women?
/r/PurplePillDebate21/11/25 06:37 PM
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When it came to sex, I didn't "settle down" with my fiancee. That's the difference. If I'm having sex with the same person forever, they better be in the highest tier of attraction and compatibility. That's not something you should settle.
/r/PurplePillDebate21/11/25 06:32 PM
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You know what the best way to combat that? Have sex with people you want to have sex with. Rather, then having sex with the hopes that someone will start a relationship with you.
/r/PurplePillDebate21/11/25 06:28 PM
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In the context of sex, men are not settling down when they choose a partner. That's the difference. I don't even agree with the RP theory about this topic because it's too extreme. But I think a lot of women de-prioritize sexual attraction as they get older and that has consequences.
/r/PurplePillDebate21/11/25 06:23 PM
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I don't agree with everyone here but I do think that some women de-prioritize sexual interest as they get older (more so then men do) and it causes real problems as time goes on.
/r/PurplePillDebate21/11/25 06:10 PM
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Well she may still like you, she's just de-prioritizing sex. But who wants to be with someone like that anyway?
/r/PurplePillDebate21/11/25 06:02 PM
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"The manosphere takes a minority of women who apparently don't care at all if they're sexually attracted to the man they have sex with for the rest of their lives in exchange for money or whatever and acts like every, or the vast majority of women are trying to do this." I don't even agree with the manosphere because they take it to an extreme but I do think women de-prioritize sexual attraction as they get older and it can be really problem in the long run. I'd bet if you ask a room full of mar…
/r/PurplePillDebate21/11/25 05:56 PM
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A person's attitude about how quickly they have sex is generally consistent. Hence, why some people are engage in casual sex, and others don't. And also why that attitude changes over time. And I'm really confused on what your overall point is lol. If you have an intense desire to have sex with one particular person, then why would choose not to have it with them but also have sex with other people you have less desire for?
/r/PurplePillDebate21/11/25 05:39 PM
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I think that’s a fair statement if there’s consistency. But if someone is comfortable having sex with one particular person quickly, and not quickly with another, then I certainly think desire is a factor. The caveat would be that people change their attitudes about sex over time and mature, so it’s not a concrete rule.
/r/PurplePillDebate21/11/25 04:46 PM
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I’m engaged but I appreciate your concern
/r/PurplePillDebate21/11/25 04:29 PM
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Well, that’s extremely vague and overly broad. I’d love for you define “relational reciprocity,” because it doesn’t make much sense in the context you’re using it in. And if we’re speaking about the “dating world” here, I think men are the ones that do not receive reciprocity. Not women. It’s far more often the case where men are investing more time and resources while dating, and not receiving that in return.
/r/PurplePillDebate21/11/25 03:00 PM
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Why is having or wanting to have sex quickly not an indication of desire?
/r/PurplePillDebate21/11/25 08:59 AM
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Reciprocity? Like splitting the bill right?
/r/PurplePillDebate21/11/25 08:53 AM
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I feel like you should be the one answering this question. If we’re striving to be equals in society, why does a man qualify to be courted.
/r/PurplePillDebate21/11/25 08:29 AM
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At the extremes, yes. Like if you’re butt ugly and have a bad personality, it may not matter. You need to something else making you tolerable to be around lol. I’m also pretty positive OP is measuring his dating success through dating apps because if he has friends and decent social life, he shouldn’t have a problem meeting people organically. There’s definitely some missing info here.
/r/PurplePillDebate20/11/25 02:53 PM
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I mean, this is just false. It definitely helps if you’re dating anyone from a lower earnings bracket. You don’t need to be mega rich
/r/PurplePillDebate20/11/25 02:32 PM
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That’s not what the study concluded. You just quoted the prompt that was given to the respondents. Here is the conclusion: “Our results suggest that SC (self compassion) may help mothers of young children positively view the prioritization of HBs (health behaviors) during the busy and stressful time of motherhood, while mothers who fear self-compassion may feel negatively about this idea. These findings add to previous knowledge about factors that may promote (and discourage) engagement in HBs a…
/r/PurplePillDebate19/11/25 05:04 PM
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Based on what? Having a feeling means nothing to me if you have no evidence to back it up.
/r/PurplePillDebate19/11/25 04:40 PM
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I directly quoted the authors of the study. Read it again. “The higher wellbeing of married adults relative to those who have never married can be found for men and women across all major racial/ethnic groups. Statistical models show that the association between marriage and wellbeing is also not explained by educational attainment or age.” And post your source instead of saying “much research.” Thats such a ridiculous cop out and it tells me that you don’t have any other research. Here’s anothe…
/r/PurplePillDebate19/11/25 02:44 PM
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“When examining sex differences, Hoen and her colleagues found no significant overall difference between men and women in either relationship desire or singlehood satisfaction. However, when looking at trends over time, women who wanted a relationship showed a small but statistically significant decline in satisfaction, while men with similar desires did not show the same drop. This suggests that unfulfilled relationship desire may weigh more heavily on women, possibly due to societal expectatio…
/r/PurplePillDebate19/11/25 07:18 AM
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Yet married women still report more life satisfaction then never married and divorced women: “The higher wellbeing of married adults relative to those who have never married can be found for men and women across all major racial/ethnic groups. Statistical models show that the association between marriage and wellbeing is also not explained by educational attainment or age.” https://news.gallup.com/poll/642590/married-americans-thriving-higher-rates-unmarried-adults.aspx
/r/PurplePillDebate19/11/25 07:14 AM
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According to what statistic? It benefits men slightly more but it’s also extremely beneficial to women. Married women live significantly longer than never married, divorced, and widowed women (according to the CDC and Medicare/Medicaid data). They live the longest out of every sub group. Married people also report higher levels of life satisfaction compared to their single counterparts: “The higher wellbeing of married adults relative to those who have never married can be found for men and wome…
/r/PurplePillDebate19/11/25 07:05 AM
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The study measure divorce. Not who left the relationship or initiated the divorce. Don’t women initiate divorce more often than men? “For the 50- to 64-year-olds, when the wife was in poor health but the husband wasn’t, their marriage was more likely to end than when both were in good health. When the husband was in poor health but the wife wasn’t, they were no more likely to split than when both were in good health.” Also: “But those numbers also show that most marriages do not end in divorce a…
/r/PurplePillDebate19/11/25 06:59 AM
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I don't think women should be shamed into getting into relationships with men for the valid reasons you've outlined in your comment. But they also shouldn't be dissuaded from entering relationships with men based on the unsupported belief that relationships/marriage are inherently harmful to women. To give an example, there's a popular myth that single women live longer then married women, and report greater life satisfaction. But every single government agency and major health organization repo…
/r/PurplePillDebate18/11/25 08:31 PM
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Having actually read A Vindication of the Rights of Woman, it's hardly feminist. She believed that men and women should be equal under God, but she purposely didn't say that men and women are equal.
/r/PurplePillDebate18/11/25 08:16 PM
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No. It suggests that abortions rights aren’t a motivator for increasing birth rates, so it’s irrelevant to this discussion
/r/PurplePillDebate18/11/25 03:00 PM
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Countries with better access to healthcare and no restrictions on abortion still have lower birth rates than the US.
/r/PurplePillDebate18/11/25 02:33 PM
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That hasn't been my experience. Most of my friends are either married or engaged, but the few single ones are not into social media at all. I actually think they need to have more of an online prescense lol.
/r/PurplePillDebate14/11/25 10:27 PM
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But you didn’t mention the past? You straight up said “men don’t offer anything really.”
/r/PurplePillDebate14/11/25 08:12 PM
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How does the gender pay gap exist if most men are simultaneously broke, immature losers working dead end jobs? And you can’t even argue that “all of the good men are taken” because educated and successful men typically get married later in life, just like educated and successful women.
/r/PurplePillDebate14/11/25 08:01 PM
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I don’t really understand this as a guy because I’ve never once considered things like a money, a house, car, friends, etc. as something that was being offered in first place? And I really think this question is entirely dependent on what stage of life you’re in. When you’re 20-25, there’s not really anything you can offer besides looks and personality.
/r/PurplePillDebate14/11/25 07:47 PM
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This is exactly the type of thing someone who is terminally online would say. The vast majority of people (not just men) have moderate views and in social settings, people avoid conversations that involve radical ideas.
/r/PurplePillDebate14/11/25 07:31 PM
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I've seen way more women complain about men not coming up to them, then I've seen men complain they can't approach women in the wild. And I think context is important here. There are places where it's more acceptable to approach and circumstances where it's not appropriate.
/r/PurplePillDebate14/11/25 05:35 PM
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"So the only good deal is to be with providers for them." That is exactly my point. Women have already chosen that they're going to date providers. It makes no difference if a man is going to contribute domestically because they've already said it's not worth it. I said this in another comment, but I don’t personally care what standards women have. I’m engaged and in a high paying field. But here’s what’s going to happen to women (and what has happened historically). Women that want a family wil…
/r/PurplePillDebate14/11/25 05:17 PM
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True, but that rise hasn’t amounted to a significant increase in income/earnings. Right?
/r/PurplePillDebate14/11/25 01:24 AM
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No, the other alternative would be for female breadwinners to not date/marry men that won’t contribute to domestic labor and childcare. Not completely write off every man that makes less than them. If you’re a young single guy, the main barrier to finding a long term partner will probably be your career (unless you happen to find a woman who is ok with being a breadwinner and hasn’t already assumed that you won’t contribute domestically, which is extremely unlikely). So are you going to focus on…
/r/PurplePillDebate14/11/25 01:23 AM
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Those skills won't set them apart because professional success and income is an early filter. You even said it yourself, women are demanding men that make more then they do. So if you make less then a potential female partner, you've already missed the first cut. And I think not wanting to go 50/50 on bills/expenses in a non-marital relationship is such a backwards mentality. The gender pay gap for single men and women under the age of 30 is virtually non-existent. I can understand men paying fo…
/r/PurplePillDebate14/11/25 12:36 AM
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Well, I don't think men need specific educational incentives for STEM. but I think you're oversimplifying this issue. This becomes an uncomfortable topic for obvious reasons but there are some racial and socio-economic factors that need to be considered when it comes to male vs. female education as well. For example, white and asian men actually have a lower high school dropout rate compared to non-white hispanic women and black women. The average is skewed because black and non-white hispanic m…
/r/PurplePillDebate13/11/25 11:48 PM
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I'm not sure but I think you can look at other countries that have strong social welfare systems and high levels of gender equity. For example, Nordic countries have lower rates of women in STEM related fields compared to other western nations, despite having done significantly more to achieve gender equity on a policy level. I would presume that there was a significant increase of female STEM representation after second wave and third wave feminist policies were introduced. But, it has likely p…
/r/PurplePillDebate13/11/25 11:43 PM
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On X/Twitter, I’ve only seen women use it. And it’s usually as a snarky response to a man (I.e. “the male loneliness epidemic is self inflicted”).
/r/PurplePillDebate13/11/25 05:38 AM
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I’m 99% sure you have never heard anyone discuss it IRL. That’s because literally no one discusses it outside of gender war debates
/r/PurplePillDebate13/11/25 05:36 AM
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A couple things Personally, idc if women have the most interest in high earning men. I'm engaged and work in a high paying field so it's not really affecting me. However, it's still a patriarchal gender norm and it's been around since the dawn of time. So if you're not going to criticize that standard, then you can't really criticize patriarchal dating standards that men have (like age, beauty, purity culture, etc.). And I assume you would understand why men wouldn't go along with that. The stat…
/r/PurplePillDebate13/11/25 04:03 AM
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Yeah that's a fair critique men in marriage but OPs solution is ineffective for young single men because women are still going to choose the provider in the end. That's the crux of my argument. Financial contribution is a deal breaker, domestic contribution is a factor.
/r/PurplePillDebate12/11/25 11:14 PM
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Did you even read what I wrote lol? It can't come at the expense of other votes. That's the issue.
/r/PurplePillDebate12/11/25 10:40 PM
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You're missing the point. If the solution is that women should marry providers (rather then women having higher standards when it comes to domestic labor), then what incentive do men have to change their attitude? In the context of dating, traditionally feminine skills are useless if women are just going to date a provider in the end.
/r/PurplePillDebate12/11/25 10:33 PM
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I'm not criticizing women for having that standard. 50/50 means allocating effort to both finances and domestic labor I'm criticizing this part of the OPs post: "This is the primary reason GenZ women are demanding provider partners and increasingly dont want to go 50/50. it's because when men don't provide, they don't compensate for it by fulfilling traditionally feminine roles. " Men have zero incentive to take on traditionally feminine roles as a means to attract a partner because like OP sugg…
/r/PurplePillDebate12/11/25 08:42 PM
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I said this in my other comment but 16% of women are the sole or primary breadwinners. 55% vs. 16% is a pretty large difference. More women are in the workforce but it would be wrong to say that men don't play the primary financial role.
/r/PurplePillDebate12/11/25 08:27 PM
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I wholeheartedly agree. I also think men need to contribute more to domestic labor so I'm not arguing that.
/r/PurplePillDebate12/11/25 08:24 PM
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78% of the top 20 highest-earning bachelor's degrees are held by men
/r/PurplePillDebate12/11/25 08:11 PM
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So, by your logic, the gender of CEOs should not be compelling evidence of widespread sexism against women right? Women's representation in STEM is largely because of women in the medical field. But men dominate the highest-earning bachelor's degrees, as 78% of the top 20 highest paid degrees are held by men. I would need to see a source for the construction claim because that seems wrong because I've seen much lower numbers in other studies.
/r/PurplePillDebate12/11/25 08:10 PM
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Well yeah, we had decades of government policies and initiatives encouraging women to achieve educational and professional success. And as a side note, only 16% of women are the sole or primary breadwinners. 55% vs. 16% is a pretty large difference. More women are in the workforce but it would be wrong to say that men don't play the primary financial role. What seems to be happening is that women get a lot of education, enter into the workforce, compete with men professionally, and then have kid…
/r/PurplePillDebate12/11/25 07:56 PM
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"Men will not go into these industries without collective support and funding from government-led initiatives." A lot of people do not want to have this conversation but there are literally 100s of state and federal initiatives intended to encourage women's educational attainment. It makes no sense that we can't do that for men and boys.
/r/PurplePillDebate12/11/25 07:43 PM
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A lot of these programs are created at the legislative level. Like there are 100s of federal initiatives specifically targeting women and girls. And here's why it won't work for men. The Right don't care because it contradicts traditional norms and masculine ideals. The Left doesn't care because they're afraid that creating a bill targeting men and boys would alienate them from voters on the far left. I'm not even exaggerating when I say this but most people on the far-left believe that cis het …
/r/PurplePillDebate12/11/25 07:40 PM
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To be fair, 2/3s of those mothers are single mothers. So when the family is intact, far less mothers are breadwinners. Only 16% of married households (with and without children) have a female breadwinner.
/r/PurplePillDebate12/11/25 07:30 PM
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Then the issue isn't 50/50? It's men not contributing to domestic labor. So wouldn't a better strategy be just to date men who do contribute to domestic labor? Rather then only dating men who "provide."
/r/PurplePillDebate12/11/25 07:25 PM
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This is why I'm commenting: "This is the primary reason GenZ women are demanding provider partners and increasingly dont want to go 50/50. it's because when men don't provide, they don't compensate for it by fulfilling traditionally feminine roles. How many men don't want to be the breadwinner so that they instead master the art of baking homemade bread instead?" It's a ridiculous premise. Women will almost choose a guy who makes more money compared to a guy who is an aspiring house husband. It'…
/r/PurplePillDebate12/11/25 07:18 PM
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So we’re talking about 1% of the population?
/r/PurplePillDebate12/11/25 06:43 PM
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Then why do the majority of households continue to have a male breadwinner, while only a small percentage of them have female breadwinners?
/r/PurplePillDebate12/11/25 06:41 PM
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Here's one study that bolsters this point: "We found that men of all income levels visited our female profiles of different income levels at roughly equal rates. In contrast, women of all income levels visited our male profiles with higher incomes at higher rates...Our male profiles with the highest level of income received 10 times more visits than the lowest. https://www.sciencedirect.com/science/article/pii/S0167268114003242 Also check out this study (see "Fig. 2. Importance of appearance and…
/r/PurplePillDebate12/11/25 05:39 PM
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So (generally speaking of course), when men are single, it’s because they’re not meeting women’s expectations and haven’t adapted. But when women are single, it’s because there aren’t enough men that meet their expectations. That would have to be the implication of your theory is correct. Unless you believe men are opting out at the same rate as women. But back to my original point, I don’t think that’s necessarily true but I do believe that there is a sizable amount of millennial and Gen Z wome…
/r/PurplePillDebate12/11/25 05:12 PM
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The Millennial men who have reproduced are much more involved in childcare than any generation of men before them. The men who refuse to assist in those roles aren't finding partners and aren't reproducing. Either adapt or complain and continue to fail. Choice is yours. I think women need to get their story straight. Either you’re opting out of dating/marriage because men provide nothing of value in relationships anymore. Or men are doing the most they’ve ever done when it comes to domestic labo…
/r/PurplePillDebate12/11/25 02:14 PM
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Most women would not date/marry someone that makes less than them, right? So it’s not “not doing anything.” A small minority of households have a female breadwinner. The majority of households have a male breadwinner.
/r/PurplePillDebate12/11/25 02:06 PM
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I agree with your general sentiment but one of the studies you posted is a bit contradictory: After some statistical processing, the data showed that the men tended to fall in love about a month ahead of the women on average – possibly because the onus is on men to show commitment to attract a partner, the researchers suggest. Men fall in love slightly more often than women do, according to the study, but are a little less committed. The women tended to spend more time obsessively thinking about…
/r/PurplePillDebate12/11/25 08:23 AM
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I think a well adjusted man doesn’t want women to lower their standards per se. They just don’t the standards to be based on materialism. You don’t naturally desire someone if your attraction is contingent on how much money they give
/r/PurplePillDebate12/11/25 05:34 AM
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Do you know what a strawman argument is?
/r/PurplePillDebate12/11/25 05:33 AM
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Well the vast majority men do not marry virgins so your point was moot from the start
/r/PurplePillDebate12/11/25 05:31 AM
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Dude speak for yourself. This is not how most men feel. I’m curious, how old are you?
/r/PurplePillDebate12/11/25 03:56 AM
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That's literally the study from above lol. It didn't ask why there was an increase. That's my point
/r/PurplePillDebate11/11/25 08:15 PM
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I wouldn't know because I'm in a relationship when I was single. I saw plenty of dating profiles saying it.
/r/PurplePillDebate11/11/25 08:12 PM
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I mean, it worked my relationship and I'm engaged. We slept with each other quickly, hooked up for a little and then started dating seriously. But I'll add one caveat and which is we met each other before that and our social groups had loose connections. I think that's the issue with a lot of men that come here to complain about "chads."
/r/PurplePillDebate11/11/25 06:05 PM
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Low maintenance to me means not having to pay every month for someone's hair, nails, etc. Not someone with no personality.
/r/PurplePillDebate11/11/25 05:59 PM
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Most men do not care if a woman is "high maintenance." They find it unattractive if a woman expects their man to pay for that maintenance. Entitlement is unattractive, regardless of gender.
/r/PurplePillDebate11/11/25 05:57 PM
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Post it because that sounds absurd
/r/PurplePillDebate11/11/25 05:22 PM
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Yeah, I'm thinking about all of my family members and friends, and I see mostly loving relationships. They have their flaws but no one is perfect
/r/PurplePillDebate11/11/25 05:21 PM
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It’s not really lying though? Because it’s often the case that you don’t know where the relationship is going to lead.
/r/PurplePillDebate11/11/25 05:06 PM
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Many relationships start that way. Especially below the age of 30. Myself and many of my friends started a relationship by hooking up and then moving forward into a romantic relationship. You’re desperately trying to box people into certain categories when you’d probably have more success by just going with the flow and seeing where it takes you.
/r/PurplePillDebate11/11/25 05:03 PM
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That's a potential explanation based on the results, but it's not fact. The study didn't specifically ask why. And I'm not discounting it as a theory, it's just way too specific and I highly doubt it would apply to the entire sample.
/r/PurplePillDebate11/11/25 01:40 AM
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Did the study say that? Or is this just completely opinion?
/r/PurplePillDebate10/11/25 10:22 PM
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I'm skeptical of this because I think women who have little to no financial power in the relationship are going to be a lot less likely to designate certain actions by their partner as abuse. This is how it's defined in the study: "In the data published in PSS, partner violence is defined as “any incident involving the occurrence, attempt or threat of either physical or sexual assault since the age of 15,” and emotional abuse refers to “repeated behaviors or actions that are aimed at gaining con…
/r/PurplePillDebate10/11/25 09:44 PM
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You’re arguing a claim based on a false premise. Married women live longer then never married women: https://pmc.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/articles/PMC7452000/ And married women are happier then never married, divorced and widowed women: https://np.reddit.com/r/PurplePillDebate/s/UrC47b13qY
/r/PurplePillDebate07/11/25 10:27 PM
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Except none of this is true to begin with. Married women live longer then never married women: https://pmc.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/articles/PMC7452000/ And married women are happier then never married, divorced and widowed women: https://np.reddit.com/r/PurplePillDebate/s/UrC47b13qY
/r/PurplePillDebate07/11/25 10:26 PM
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Except none of this is true to begin with. Married women live longer then never married women: https://pmc.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/articles/PMC7452000/ And married women are happier than never married, divorced and widowed women: https://np.reddit.com/r/PurplePillDebate/s/UrC47b13qY
/r/PurplePillDebate07/11/25 10:25 PM
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Married women are happier than widowed women though. So that kind of destroys your theory
/r/PurplePillDebate07/11/25 10:20 PM
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You didn’t answer my questions?
/r/PurplePillDebate07/11/25 10:18 PM
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This isn’t true though. Married women live longer than never married women, divorced and widowed women. By a significant margin. https://pmc.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/articles/PMC7452000/
/r/PurplePillDebate07/11/25 10:17 PM
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Right but that doesn’t completely destroy OPs point? Because that study says married women live longer than every other group by a significant margin.
/r/PurplePillDebate07/11/25 10:16 PM
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I feel like that mentality is part of the issue no? If you view your dates as replaceable then you're less likely to them on a pedestal. And a lot of women react to that either consciously or sub-consciously. Because they sense the power imbalance is no longer present and now they have to contribute as well.
/r/PurplePillDebate07/11/25 10:03 PM
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I feel like this a pretty big leap and I think it would be reflected in the data. Like you wouldn’t see such a drastic drop off for married vs. unmarried people. And for the record, I believe that shitty relationships can be worse for women than men. So I’m not arguing against that.
/r/PurplePillDebate07/11/25 03:49 AM
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Who’s we? This entire phenomenon started because of clickbait journalism and social media hysteria. Media literacy is at all time low and you should start doing more research about topics that you’re arguing about. And if you can find me a single study, i would gladly accept it. Here’s from a Pew study on loneliness in 2025: As public debate and discussion over the status of men in America continues, some have raised concerns about men’s struggles with loneliness. A new Pew Research Center surve…
/r/PurplePillDebate07/11/25 03:42 AM
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Can you tell me the likelihood of being murdered while pregnant? Like how many pregnant are killed each year. And how many of those are a result of IPV? And believe it or not, women are more likely to be murdered as a single woman than a married woman (look it up yourself). This is true for both IPV related homicides and homicide as a whole.
/r/PurplePillDebate07/11/25 03:38 AM
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So no source? Gotcha, another made up epidemic. I’ll add it to the list.
/r/PurplePillDebate07/11/25 03:31 AM
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I’m engaged dude. You’re not going to win this argument.
/r/PurplePillDebate07/11/25 03:30 AM
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How do you account for divorced and married women then? They’re significantly less healthy then married women
/r/PurplePillDebate07/11/25 03:26 AM
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Then wouldn’t divorced and widowed women have the same mortality rate as married women?
/r/PurplePillDebate07/11/25 03:25 AM
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Does that say married women are happier then single women? Or am I missing something. The links from the comment I posted literally ask that exact question.
/r/PurplePillDebate07/11/25 03:22 AM
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But somehow they’re reporting the same level of loneliness and the same amount of friends as women? How does that work?
/r/PurplePillDebate06/11/25 09:27 PM
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I mean you could’ve clicked on the link but here it is again: https://np.reddit.com/r/PurplePillDebate/s/TIod5sFnnB
/r/PurplePillDebate06/11/25 09:24 PM
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I would love to see a source for that but from what I’ve read from a Pew study published this year, older people are significantly more lonely than younger people in general.
/r/PurplePillDebate06/11/25 09:22 PM
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Men and women report loneliness at the same rate. There’s no evidence to suggest otherwise. Like why are women experts on this topic?
/r/PurplePillDebate06/11/25 09:06 PM
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Men and women report loneliness at the same rate. There’s no evidence to suggest otherwise. You need to stop taking the moral high ground on this topic because you’re literally in the same situation.
/r/PurplePillDebate06/11/25 09:05 PM
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I feel like you should care about something like this no? Marriage and children are some of the biggest decisions most people will make in life?
/r/PurplePillDebate06/11/25 08:59 PM
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Statistically, you will live longer than single woman. And you will be happier. Stop listening to people who want you to be unhappy. https://np.reddit.com/r/PurplePillDebate/s/UrC47b13qY
/r/PurplePillDebate06/11/25 08:52 PM
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No that’s what major government agencies in the US and UK are telling me. I swear media literacy is at an all time low.
/r/PurplePillDebate06/11/25 08:52 PM
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Married women are happier. There’s just bitter people in the world that want you to hate men and marriage https://np.reddit.com/r/PurplePillDebate/s/UrC47b13qY
/r/PurplePillDebate06/11/25 08:50 PM
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Yes. According to the every major government health organization in the Europe and the US, married women live longer and have a lower all cause mortality rate than single women and never married woman. Are they just lying to all of us?
/r/PurplePillDebate06/11/25 08:44 PM
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According to the CDC, NHS, and Medicare data, married women live longer and have a lower all cause mortality rate than single women and never married woman. Feel free to fact check me on all of that. Can you post your source?
/r/PurplePillDebate06/11/25 08:43 PM
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According to the CDC, NHS, and Medicare data, married women live longer and have a lower all cause mortality rate than single women and never married woman. Feel free to fact check me on all of that. Can you post your source?
/r/PurplePillDebate06/11/25 08:43 PM
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There are two different issues here. 1) Confidence and charm in the context of dating is distinct from confidence and charm in other areas of life. For instance, I’m sure you know people that have these traits in a professional setting but are absolutely terrible at utilizing them while dating. Or people that have robust friend groups but very little romantic confidence. And 2) the societal standards for male confidence are so much more strict than they are for women. I’m not even sure how anyon…
/r/PurplePillDebate04/11/25 11:24 AM
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Well, part of the resentment is that some women want the “good ole days” treatment without the aspects that benefit men (aka patriarchal power dynamics).
/r/PurplePillDebate04/11/25 08:05 AM
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Thirstiness for sex or a relationship?
/r/PurplePillDebate04/11/25 07:57 AM
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No one is charming or confident all of the time and I think part of the issue is telling men to constantly play that role. That would lead to more emotionally intelligent men.
/r/PurplePillDebate04/11/25 07:49 AM
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I always thought "she's not yours, it's just your turn" referred to women keeping their options open even though they're in a relationship. If that's the case, men should definitely protect themselves.
/r/PurplePillDebate03/11/25 09:38 PM
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They’re more content being single because they’d rather date someone who’s educated and makes the same or more lol. The “chad” is the guy they’re attracted to and is on the same level with education/income. Those guys have zero issues finding partners because they aren’t putting limits on education/income. And for the record, I have a law degree and I’m engaged at 29 years old. And 95% of my male friends are engaged, married or in a LTR. I’d say a significantly smaller amount of my female friend…
/r/PurplePillDebate27/10/25 03:45 AM
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That’s not actually what’s happening though. It’s that men and women earn roughly the same up until about 30, and that’s largely because women start having kids so it skews the average.
/r/PurplePillDebate27/10/25 03:39 AM
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Aiming too high has nothing to do with bad relationships. The only exception is finances because some women essentially market themselves as a glorified sex workers. And the type of men who go for those women usually don’t have great intentions
/r/PurplePillDebate23/10/25 06:56 PM
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Not saying I agree with the OP but I know a lot more women who subscribe to the idea of “leagues” compared to men. It’s women that say “date within your price range,” not men.
/r/PurplePillDebate22/10/25 01:57 PM
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No offense, but this sounds like you were shooting above your weight class so to speak.
/r/PurplePillDebate20/10/25 06:42 PM
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Tbh, I think you're either severely overestimating women's appearances in these relationships or you're talking about a 1 in a million scenario. For example, WizardLiz's fans went after her BFs appearance after he cheated but had only positive things to say about him beforehand. They tried to say she was way out of his league physically but they both are objectively the same level of attractiveness. It's an ego thing.
/r/PurplePillDebate17/10/25 06:40 PM
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Heavy on the alcoholics. Thats why people at big universities are probably much sluttier then the rest of the population
/r/PurplePillDebate17/10/25 05:42 PM
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How does this even work if you’re not monogamous lol
/r/PurplePillDebate17/10/25 06:31 AM
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99% of people under the age of 30 have “enough” money to live a life of luxury and have expensive hobbies. Not even 1% of people in that age group $200k a year.
/r/PurplePillDebate17/10/25 01:07 AM
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Less than 1% of people under 30 make $200k (let alone $300k). This doesn’t apply to anyone except a tiny percentage of people.
/r/PurplePillDebate17/10/25 01:04 AM
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No that’s not true. Even when men and women are doing the same amount of domestic labor and childcare, women still do less leisure activities.
/r/PurplePillDebate17/10/25 01:00 AM
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The divorce rate is misleading because it’s skewed by serial divorcees but it’s still the lowest it’s been since the 80s. Also, if you adjust for basic factors like having a bachelors degree and getting married past the age of 25, it’s drops drastically. And while women initiate most divorces in hetero relationships, lesbian relationships have a higher divorce than everyone (by a significant margin).
/r/PurplePillDebate17/10/25 12:57 AM
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That’s what incels say. According to them, women only date men who can provide financially (which ends up being a tiny percentage of men). You guys get along so well.
/r/PurplePillDebate17/10/25 12:50 AM
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Do you mean the comment I responded to? Because the only group I know that generalizes an entire gender as disgusting animals would be the incel community.
/r/PurplePillDebate17/10/25 12:43 AM
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It’s not a word game dude. You just don’t understand how the variables in the study work. Leisure time is a separate variable. But it doesn’t really make sense because like I said above, when men are contributing more or equally time to domestic labor and caregiving, women still have less leisure time than men.
/r/PurplePillDebate17/10/25 12:40 AM
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Nothing I said was inaccurate. You’re not reading my comments if you think that’s the case. I admitted that women do more domestic labor and child care than men. Re-read them again if you’re confused
/r/PurplePillDebate17/10/25 12:05 AM
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No they don’t. Because even when men did the same or more housework/caregiving, women significantly still spent less time on leisure activities.
/r/PurplePillDebate16/10/25 11:57 PM
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Less leisure time does not mean more housework or caregiving in this study. Those are intentionally separate activities. That means women are doing something that isn’t leisure, caregiving, paid work or domestic labor with those hours. Does that make sense? Like if you read the study, men spend more leisure time even when women are doing less caregiving or housework.
/r/PurplePillDebate16/10/25 11:54 PM
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No. 3.5 hours of leisure time does not mean that time was spent doing housework. All that means is that men report spending more time doing leisurely activities. Which makes sense because there are also studies that suggest men have more total hobbies than women do. I’m willing to bet that women are spending that time with self care and beautification routines but I have no data to support that.
/r/PurplePillDebate16/10/25 11:46 PM
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Why is this surprising to you? Men are more likely to be the breadwinner in every single country from that study. Why wouldn’t they do more unpaid labor? Like I’m not really surprised a mother in India or Turkey is doing more unpaid labor. And the data I’m referring to is when men and women make roughly the same salaries (which is a more accurate metric). Here’s from a Pew Study from last year: -Husbands in egalitarian marriages spend about 3.5 hours more per week on leisure activities than wive…
/r/PurplePillDebate16/10/25 11:43 PM
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Did you even read the pew study: Husbands in egalitarian marriages spend about 3.5 hours more per week on leisure activities than wives do. Wives in these marriages spend roughly 2 hours more per week on caregiving than husbands do and about 2.5 hours more on housework Also, the second study you posted is a 25 year longitudinal study that began in 1985 (and surveyed married couples). I would imagine a couple married in 1985 would have different views on the division of household labor compared t…
/r/PurplePillDebate16/10/25 11:33 PM
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In households where both couples make roughly the same, women do about 2-3 hours per week of housework (according to pew research). That’s not great but it’s not ALL the domestic labor. Many women (like yourself) have preemptively written off a large portion of men based on this inaccurate premise. Most people trend towards the average. You’re not likely find a guy who does 100% of the housework but you’re also not likely to find someone who does 0% of the housework.
/r/PurplePillDebate16/10/25 10:54 PM
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You’re screaming bitterness and insecurity right now
/r/PurplePillDebate16/10/25 10:48 PM
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What studies? Can you post them? Because Pew took account couples that earn the same, not just total housework. That’s why it’s relevant. 55% of households have a male breadwinner, 16% have a female breadwinner, and the rest is roughly equal. So it makes sense that overall, women would be doing more domestic labor.
/r/PurplePillDebate16/10/25 10:46 PM
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The male loneliness epidemic isn't real. Every single recent study on this topic suggests that men and women report equal levels of loneliness.
/r/PurplePillDebate14/10/25 09:57 PM
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