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Apologies, I didn't realise you weren't OP, you were right to correct me earlier. My question to /u/postemporary was: "Why do you believe women are 'especially' 'controlled by factors outside of their control'?" I also asked for clarification on what these 'factors' are. I asked for some evidence or research that supports this viewpoint. A follow-up question was requesting any research or evidence that demonstrates that women are less logical than men, as /u/postemporary claimed. Stating "strong…
/r/seduction18/06/13 02:24 AM
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I understand who I am responding to. I am asking you to cite sources that demonstrate your statement that women 'women are controlled by factors outside of their control'. 'Nature, biology, thousands of years of evolutionary theory, society, all sorts of factors' is a vague statement, it doesn't support your claim at all. What aspect of 'biology' or nature', which aspect of evolutionary theory, which aspect of 'society'? Which society? When? I do in fact need citations to recognise 'that'. I do …
/r/seduction17/06/13 10:38 AM
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You stated, 'You have to remember that women are controlled by factors outside of their control. Human behavior is not logical and women's behavior especially so.' It's implicitly a demeaning statement, it implies women are almost child-like in that we are ruled by emotions, not logic, and that we can be easily influenced. There's also an implication that we don't know what is good for us. I would also like to know what these 'factors' are. I would like to know why women are 'especially' control…
/r/seduction17/06/13 01:02 AM
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I am asking you for a source or reference to prove that women are 'especially' 'controlled by factors outside of their control'. What are 'factors outside of their control' and why are women especially 'controlled' by them? What I am trying to ask you is what objective research supports this statement? To cite reputable references. Alluding to my sexual history doesn't seem relevant.
/r/seduction16/06/13 07:58 AM
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Why do you believe women are 'especially' 'controlled by factors outside of their control'? I stumbled upon this post through /r/all. The seduction community has a reputation for having little respect for women but I don't know much about it, so I'd rather actually ask what you mean or request a source or reference. The statement sounds pretty demeaning and condescending.
/r/seduction16/06/13 04:05 AM
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Thank you.
/r/MensRights31/12/12 08:22 AM
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Thank you.
/r/MensRights31/12/12 02:48 AM
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I was young, sixteen and sexually inexperienced. An hour is a long, long time when you're effectively trying to defend yourself. The obvious thought was to really fight back. In truth, I was scared he was going to get angry with me. He had a temper and he had physically harmed me in th past. I didn't want to fight about it, I just wanted everything to be ok. The desire for children to placate, to aquiesce so that a situation doesn't escalate, that can be pretty powerful. You just want everything…
/r/MensRights31/12/12 02:47 AM
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This is the first time I have shared this story with anyone. I am not "trying to use it" to prove any point. I don't have any agenda here.
/r/MensRights31/12/12 01:59 AM
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The interesting thing is, I don't care what it's called, what he 'technically' or 'legally' did. It was degrading and physically painful. And I think feminists and MRAs could all quite happily agree he was in the wrong and it was an incredibly shitty thing to do. But the minute we discuss what is or isn't rape (as demonstrated by this thread), it becomes such much more complex discussion. It's interesting.
/r/MensRights30/12/12 10:15 AM
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Sincere question (and I mean this as a question, not a rhetorical point, as I'm interested in the MRA perspective)... As a teenager, there was an instance in which my boyfriend continued to pressure me to have sex. He attempted to undress me, he pressed himself against me, he fondled me. I consistently told him no. After an hour of this behaviour, of pulling my clothes back down after he lifted them up, of saying "no" but him consistently asking me to have sex with him, I finally stopped resisti…
/r/MensRights30/12/12 10:01 AM
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Bills, Bills, Bills is actually about having a boyfriend who is asking the protagonist to pay his bills. Here's the second verse: And now you ask to use my car / Drive it all day and don't fill up the tank / And you have the audacity to even come and step to me / And ask to hold some money from me until you get your check next week
/r/MensRights17/08/12 09:06 AM
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Happy to refute dude, I love a good discussion. I just don't like your tone, I find it aggressive and rude and I'm certain that my response will lead to more condescension or rudeness on your behalf - why bother? We're all adults here, there's always room for civility.
/r/MensRights15/01/12 10:07 PM
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Not interested in continuing discussion if you're gonna be rude dude, not cool.
/r/MensRights13/01/12 11:36 PM
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I can only tell you that I haven't, it's true. I'm disappointed that you feel a need to insult me.
/r/MensRights13/01/12 01:39 AM
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I have been speaking about my experience: "I've never seen...". I didn't mean that rhetorically or that one could to extrapolate from that a value judgement about the feminist movement in general. Note I did not state "feminism is not..." or "feminism is good". I have only spoke about my own experience. I wish you didn't feel a need to patronise me: yes my experience may be irrelevant and banal to you. That's fine. But then why reply if it is?
/r/MensRights13/01/12 01:36 AM
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No I didn't/don't see it and I'm not lying. Yes, I may have read some outrageous quotes from the US in the 70s but we all laughed at them. In fact, the were used as evidence about how much feminism has changed since then. It's a shame you have to reduce this discussion to accuse me of lying. I am disappoint.
/r/MensRights11/01/12 09:30 PM
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My original - and consequential - comments never related to the feminist movement.
/r/MensRights11/01/12 03:42 AM
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I'm not making a statement - and never have - about the broad movement. I sharing with you what I have seen, read, discussed. The conclusion I draw however is if I exist and my friends exist and the academics I read or who lectured me exist, and they are not anti-male, then you canot say "all feminists hate men" because it blatantly isn't true.
/r/MensRights11/01/12 01:41 AM
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I don't want to reiterate my initial point which was: I am a feminist and have never seen an "anti male attitude", misandry or women arguing to take away men's rights. I'm just really, really tired of the view that all feminists hate men and want to take your rights. I'm right here telling you this was not my experience and you're all telling me you don't believe me! I'm disappointed by your need to insult me.
/r/MensRights10/01/12 11:39 PM
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Yes agree: of course feminists and women aren't synonymous. Most women I know don't identify as feminists. My original point was not about law, it was about my experience as a feminist. And I have never seen any misandry or advocacy to remove men's rights. Furthermore, I'm not a 'hothead' and neither are my friends who identify as feminists - I'm not sure why you're saying that about me when you don't know me or know my experience. Why don't you want support from women who support you, simply be…
/r/MensRights10/01/12 11:26 PM
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I'm confused, not sure what your pint is: * Did I lump all MRAs into one group? * Did I say all feminists are all the same? No.
/r/MensRights10/01/12 11:20 PM
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I could accuse you of the same thing: you fail to see that feminism can be good and supportive of men's rights. I don't deny that there is elements of feminism that has been critical of men, but this has never been my norm, NEVER. Clearly you have it in your heads that feminism is evil and determine to bring men down. I think that MRAs have to decide what they're fighting: are you fighting for something or fighting against something. I'm disappointed you feel the need to start name calling - how…
/r/MensRights10/01/12 11:16 PM
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I'm sorry about your experience, that sounds awful. Given what you've been through, I don't want to argue with you, I just wish you well wishes and thank you for not hating women.
/r/MensRights10/01/12 12:04 PM
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Sure and I can quote some MRA who've made some hateful statements. But that doesn't make you sexist or hateful towards the opposite sex. Please listen to my words: I am not denying that some feminists have had extreme views. But that is not my experience, by a long shot. Not all feminists hate men or seek to reduce men's rights - in fact no feminists I know do. Just because you don't like to hear that myself, my friends and many academics I have read are moderate feminists who support men's righ…
/r/MensRights10/01/12 12:00 PM
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Your experience is legitimate and I don't doubt what you're telling me for a moment but likewise my experience is real and truthful. I know I'm reiterating the point but in all honesty, I have not seen this. I studied feminism at University, I have read dozens and dozens of feminist books and I have had countless discussions with both women and men that identify themselves as feminists. The closest 'man bashing' I ever saw was an article which criticised drag queens for mocking women and reducin…
/r/MensRights10/01/12 09:43 AM
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What do you mean 'their'? I'm a feminist and I'm telling you my experience which is just as legitimate as other people's. Just because it doesn't subscribe to your current view of feminists doesn't make it invalid. I am disappointed, I really am. I thought you would want support from feminists who support your cause, but instead you repudiate us just because we identify as feminists. This makes me question what your agenda really is: furthering men's rights or hating on women.
/r/MensRights10/01/12 09:31 AM
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Sorry do you men a man talking to feminists versus a woman talking to feminists? One of best male friends identifies himself as a feminist and I don't recall him ever stating he felt feminists treated him differently. I can ask him.
/r/MensRights10/01/12 09:27 AM
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I don't deny that there are extreme feminists, just as there are extreme MRAs or extreme Muslims or extreme Christians. Does that mean we paint everyone who identifies with feminism or men's rights or Islam or Christianity extreme? I think we're agreeing here though so I'll leave it at that :-)
/r/MensRights09/01/12 11:49 PM
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That's the weird thing, I haven't actually seen much hatred for men in feminist discussions and groups (and I studied feminism at University which you would think would be a hotbed of man-hating). I don't know if feminists are more egalitarian in Australia than other countries... I suppose the other thing is, whilst what you say may very well be true, it's not my experience and not reflective of my views. But yet I'm still criticised. I feel that Men's Rights Activists don't want me to say I'm a…
/r/MensRights09/01/12 09:34 AM
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I've been on the men's rights sub-Reddit before as I too am female and support men's rights. I am also a feminist and support women's rights as I don't believe them to be mutually exclusive. I was ridiculed. I find it confusing - no disappointing- that my statement of support was mocked just because I identified myself as a feminist. Can't I believe that both men and women have it tough in their own unique ways? That's not a rhetorical question, I'd like to know what Reddit thinks.
/r/MensRights09/01/12 12:46 AM
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I suppose where I disagree with yourself and ndthl is that I don't want to view this as men vs women. I think there are issues faced by women and I think there are issues faced by men. Just as I also believe that there are serious issues faced by the LGBT community or Indigenous Australians, and for that matter Afghani women. If one group is deemed to be the most oppressed, what does that mean? Does every other interest group just pack up and go home? Does everyone else reach agreement that thei…
/r/MensRights16/08/10 11:24 PM
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Would you not agree that that life is worse for women in cultures where they have little to no rights? I suppose it depends on your metrics and if you use longevity and suicide rates then you're correct. Suicide is an serious issue and I wouldn't for a second want to imply that it shouldn't be considered important but I really don't think it should be the only metric. But in my opinion there's more to it than that: the right to your own body, the right to leave your home or drive, the right to b…
/r/MensRights16/08/10 11:48 AM
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But I suppose that's the point isn't it? I wouldn't. I don't agree with genital mutilation of females or males, I abhor the sexual objectification of women and I'm also disgusted by the financial objectification of men etc etc. I don't think either is right, better, worse. (Although I would argue that it appears that in some cultures it is worse for women but I'm sure that there are many cultures where men are much worse off) I do think that if things were better for women, they'd be better for …
/r/MensRights16/08/10 11:08 AM
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For the record - I've long considered myself a feminist and I don't believe I've ever held those views. It seems to me that many of the issues raised by ndthl are consistent with many of the issues concerning feminists: it's about gender roles and that impact that these can have on our health, happiness and well being. I am sickened by the pressure put on men, in particular the expectations that come with being a "man" by today's definition: to be strong, to be the bread winner, to be emotionall…
/r/MensRights16/08/10 09:20 AM
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