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otherInitiatePenguin/r/LeftWingMaleAdvocates15/03/22 07:12 PM
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InitiatePenguin/r/LeftWingMaleAdvocates01/03/20 12:14 AM
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InitiatePenguin/r/LeftWingMaleAdvocates21/12/19 10:26 PM
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It is clearly hyperbole It is not. And your response to "The greatest violations of human rights are not human rights organizations they are the dictators and regimes that have zero regard for people. Come on." Should have been "I was exaggerating" And not "it's not bullshit". You doubled down on your "hyperbole". Not even backing down when I brought up genocidal regimes, suggesting they allow for it to happen. While trying to say that the person leading you to wolves is worse than the wolves. W…
/r/LeftWingMaleAdvocates23/06/25 06:00 PM
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Power to condemn ≠ allow. Frauds are criminals. Aren't HROs frauds? And say they are. They are now the greatest violators of human rights for failing to condemn the human rights violations of a genocidal regime?
/r/LeftWingMaleAdvocates23/06/25 04:40 PM
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Listen to yourself. You're saying HROs let authoritarian regimes commit genocide, and ergo have the power to stop them, and ergo are more powerful. You can criticize them all the time. You can say they betray their principles or fail to call out abuse when and where it happens for other political reasons. But HROs don't "allow it to happen". Those regimes are going to kill people whether they exist or not. Which one do you think is more dangerous for you a known criminal or a friend who sends yo…
/r/LeftWingMaleAdvocates23/06/25 03:37 PM
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I asked ChatGPT and it said that males in most species are more sexually disposable than females. Bro. It's a chatbot. I just asked the same question since we're not coming up with our own ideas or research.... PROMPT: Looking at all the species on earth, are males or females more sexually disposable? In biological terms, across most species on Earth, males are generally more sexually disposable than females. Okay. But let's keep reading. In short: Biologically, males in most species are more se…
/r/LeftWingMaleAdvocates23/06/25 02:46 PM
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Human Rights organisations are a misnomer. They are responsible for the greatest violations of human rights. How can you in a thread talking about bullshit make just as equally bullshit answers. The greatest violations of human rights are not human rights organizations they are the dictators and regimes that have zero regard for people. Come on. Imagine. Claiming the West is the most evil.
/r/LeftWingMaleAdvocates23/06/25 02:36 PM
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Sexual Orientation (Males): Bisexual males reported the highest prevalence of asking for consent (94.2%), compared to heterosexual (85.2%) and questioning students (65.8%). Male students identifying as gay also were more likely than those questioning their sexual identity to ask for sexual consent verbally (86.6% versus 65.8%) Skipped a stat.
/r/LeftWingMaleAdvocates12/01/25 05:25 AM
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Your examples allow generalized language.... Want they don't allow are called absolutes.
/r/LeftWingMaleAdvocates07/09/24 12:46 AM
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Not what I said. Please take your bad faith elsewhere.
/r/LeftWingMaleAdvocates06/07/24 02:32 AM
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Do you have a link to the thread? I don't see it on the sub, this post and your screenshots time stamp both reflect 1 hour ago. 2 of the comments being made in the last 15 minutes of screenshotting them. That's not even a time for a mod to respond. It seems like it's already been taken down.
/r/LeftWingMaleAdvocates05/07/24 09:45 PM
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i do agree its not exactly common but you have a very good example of a black man who fears women for the fact that there has been a historical precedent of white women calling on lynchings for black men my first instinct is that they are telling on themselves Emphasis added. Just the same that most men are not violent or rapists, most men aren't fearful of being publicly lynched after an accusations of a white woman. People can have all forms of valid reasons they go against this first instinct…
/r/LeftWingMaleAdvocates05/07/24 05:11 PM
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Saying that only creepy men fear false allegations is not a literal statement. It's rhetoric. If you are in this conversation they might, for example, be calling you creepy. Or signaling to the room that if you do, you are creepy. It also can't be a sixth sense, if it's predicated first on the knowledge that someone fears false allegations. That's the definition of prior knowledge, not intuition. But I'll be honest, if a guy said to me that he doesn't like interacting with women because he fears…
/r/LeftWingMaleAdvocates05/07/24 01:02 AM
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Sounds like Menslib
/r/LeftWingMaleAdvocates24/06/24 07:41 PM
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Same. This sub often picks equality of common subjugation. It's infuriating.
/r/LeftWingMaleAdvocates24/06/24 12:38 PM
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In actuality, these communities reserve a certain (low) percentage of their units for younger people to comply with housing discrimination laws. Huh. AFAIK there are no laws against age discrimination in the U.S. The Fair Housing Act protects buyers and renters from discrimination based on their protected characteristics. At the federal level, the protected characteristics include age, color, sex, religion, race, disability and national origin.
/r/LeftWingMaleAdvocates13/06/24 08:34 PM
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I've heard of women-only shelters, but at least those are not regular housing projects. They are short term. This is LONG TERM. This is just a regular apartment where men aren't allowed. on affordable housing in Burnaby for moms leaving violence Seems to be a shelter
/r/LeftWingMaleAdvocates13/06/24 08:16 PM
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Isn't he against this subreddit now? Edit; That's why I won't support LWMA any longer.
/r/LeftWingMaleAdvocates20/05/24 01:23 PM
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of which there are only two. And there it is.
/r/LeftWingMaleAdvocates09/04/24 10:40 PM
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You used men. But rather than being consistent and saying women, which you started with, you switched to the term "females".
/r/LeftWingMaleAdvocates09/04/24 09:12 PM
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I wanted to find a place where we could work together for common goals but this just feels weird. This is not the space for feminists. We'll keep bell hooks. They can have whatever this is.
/r/LeftWingMaleAdvocates09/04/24 02:09 PM
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Men / females Why go out of your way?
/r/LeftWingMaleAdvocates09/04/24 02:07 PM
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A radical feminist is progressive on women's issues... could be conservative on transsexuality, A TERF. They are the definition of conservative.
/r/LeftWingMaleAdvocates09/04/24 02:04 PM
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Based on the fact that society was less digitalized back then, thus people often had a much smaller access to the population to sample Entirely a historical. You do realize the U.S. has completed a census of the entire country every decade right? The vast majority of them before the advent of computers and the internet. And with the lack of internet, people did not have the adequate means to understand esoteric political jargon, such for them terms such as "liberal" may mean many different thing…
/r/LeftWingMaleAdvocates09/04/24 01:58 PM
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Check the sub bud
/r/LeftWingMaleAdvocates09/04/24 01:57 PM
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if you ask extreme liberals online. People that haven’t travelled further left with them are considered conservatives now. But those people aren't going to appear in this data set as conservatives because some leftist says that they are.
/r/LeftWingMaleAdvocates09/04/24 01:56 PM
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The bloody comment you linked to is on an OP that was deleted and banned for God's sake. The first thing I saw: Sorry, this post has been removed by the moderators of r/LeftWingMaleAdvocates. Huh? The first link? It's a dead imgur link, with an old deleted account. Edit: I can see the notice on new reddit. I'm not looking to rehash the conversation I had 4 years ago, but what I point out is they the user they just banned has been a regularly contributor in the subreddit. You consider feminism bo…
/r/LeftWingMaleAdvocates09/02/24 04:00 AM
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This sub is a congregation space for left-wingers to discuss meaningful ways to stand up for pur leftie principles... Yet more and more TRP rhetoric is starting to sneak in...being upvoted. And the people daring to call it into question are being downvoted. IDK what you mean man. I've been complaining about this for 4 years. I kept bringing up to the problem of guardrails with the mods, but the response was that it was more important to give voice to men who were agreived. This isn't a new probl…
/r/LeftWingMaleAdvocates09/02/24 03:25 AM
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How are we supposed to know if we'd feel similar if we don't know what the question was?
/r/LeftWingMaleAdvocates04/02/24 07:25 PM
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I'm not actually surprised because I realize people can vary wildly. But totally relate to you about it being a foreign concept 100%. I have no idea how common or "normal" this is but imagining sex with strangers based on looks alone is a concept foreign to me. Just above your comment by /u/cruisinforasoozinm is: I've yet to meet someone who told me its objectification to imagine having sex with a stranger... Looking at someone and thinking "holy hot damn that body", sneaking a quick peak withou…
/r/LeftWingMaleAdvocates25/12/23 09:09 PM
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it's a well known trick that they pretend to hate it when they're actually eating it up which really complicates things for the times they really don't like it. I think it's far more likely that different women have different opinions than women are lying when they say they don't like being objectified.
/r/LeftWingMaleAdvocates25/12/23 09:00 PM
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(Actually, I am attracted to personalities, but personality alone is not enough for me to feel sexual attraction. Maybe I should change that... ...But I can't control my feelings. Should I start learning to control my feelings? I'm not inclined to choose a partner based solely on her looks. I never treat women as mere objects. The main point in objectification is that the people around you aren't not being treated as individuals. And it seems based on your descriptions here that you are treating…
/r/LeftWingMaleAdvocates25/12/23 08:54 PM
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Right? "We would expect..." Is setting up evidence that data does not align with preconceived notions. What better way for a scientist to admit that their own bias is incorrect because they are a scientist and the data says otherwise.
/r/LeftWingMaleAdvocates19/12/23 12:07 AM
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Men have wielded most of the power in society. Men still enjoy most of the power in the US 99.9% of men are&have always been powerless, its more accurate to call the 0.1% an oligarchic self-serving elite. Saying that Men as a group have the most power in Society is the same logic as saying that black people have the most power in USA because of 0.1% elite blacks like Obama&Kamala. I don't think this logic follows what's being said. When looking at how has the most power historically and over tim…
/r/LeftWingMaleAdvocates11/10/23 06:08 PM
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Palestinians. Uyghurs. Kurds. The entire country of North Korea. Hell even LBGTQ people continue to face actual legislation against them, unlike Incels. So who do you think the most oppressed group besides race and nationality of course? So again. You're qualifying your hyperbole by saying (short non-athletic autistic) incels are the most oppressed... Gender? You asked how and supplied your own answer while also walking back your hyperbole.
/r/LeftWingMaleAdvocates11/10/23 05:14 PM
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incels or men who share the same traits, are the most oppressed group in the world. This is completely false and an extreme hyperbole.
/r/LeftWingMaleAdvocates11/10/23 04:29 PM
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Do you not consider yourself a progressive?
/r/LeftWingMaleAdvocates25/07/23 07:19 PM
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It's PG13 which after seeing it is perfectly fine.
/r/LeftWingMaleAdvocates24/07/23 01:47 AM
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It's PG13
/r/LeftWingMaleAdvocates24/07/23 01:46 AM
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Do you believe in equality? Because if men are expected to hold other men accountable for their Misogyny / Sexism.. then equally it shouldn't be too much to expect women to hold other women accountable for their Misandry / Sexism too right? That's what I'm saying! Hold both sides accountable. The expectation exists on both sides. The other user is saying that women aren't doing their end so he'll stop doing his.
/r/LeftWingMaleAdvocates23/07/23 03:02 AM
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Here's an example. I have primary custody of my son after divorce. I remaried. My ex wife visits my son on Tuesdays and Thursdays. Would you call me a "single father" or would you call me a co-parent? You're a co-parent in regards to your son and ex-wife. You can also be a co-parent in regards to your son and your current wife. You can't co-parent alone. That's not what the word means. Some people might have seen you as a "single father" while you were divorced but not remarried but only because…
/r/LeftWingMaleAdvocates23/07/23 03:00 AM
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How is a single mom a co-parent?
/r/LeftWingMaleAdvocates22/07/23 08:49 PM
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As result of that my group of friends is all normal non pervy people. So even if I am a kind of person who would challenge sexism when I see it I wouldn't have opportunity to do so because I don't know any sexist people. Yes, that is part of your comment. And I agree, if you don't surround yourself in environments that tend towards sexism, there's no one for you to call out. If that's the case, despite the message being general, the advice wasn't for you. You might argue that those PSAs are inef…
/r/LeftWingMaleAdvocates22/07/23 08:06 PM
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So the person you're talking to doesn't have an issue with the double-standard, but I do /u/JetChipp does have a problem with th double standard. And I am making the argument that the existence of the double standard means that men have no obligation to follow it when we receive less than nothing in reciprocation. And given this context why is the solution that men aren't obligated rather than women should be? Why fix the double standard in a way that makes it worse for everyone? The effort that…
/r/LeftWingMaleAdvocates22/07/23 06:57 PM
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My problem is not only with the double standard but with the idea itself that a person has to something about just because they share the same immutable traits with the perpretator. Okay. Then instead of saying "I don't have to do this either" say, we should all do it regardless of immutable characteristics! If it's sexist, shut it down. You either believe we have a shared responsibility to call out bad behavior and ensure safety in our communities, or you don't. And you keep saying you don't.
/r/LeftWingMaleAdvocates22/07/23 05:56 PM
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But a double standard is not a reason not to do something. Again you're saying "they don't have to, but I do is a double standard" so let's do neither. Instead of asking for the same accountability. A race to the bottom. If you see something, say something.
/r/LeftWingMaleAdvocates22/07/23 05:37 PM
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Your original argument is "women don't so men don't have to" not "no individual is responsible for another person's behavior because they are the same sex/gender".
/r/LeftWingMaleAdvocates22/07/23 05:02 PM
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There is this mental idea that we all know each other when, in fact, the average guy has like 5 mates that he meets every other week outside of work. It's absolutely crazy to me that people assume men don't self-select their friends and are just equally friends with every other man out there. I really don't think this is the case at all. The sexism is gendered, and a guy who's sexist is far more likely to listen or change their behavior if another guy calls them out. For some of these guys those…
/r/LeftWingMaleAdvocates22/07/23 04:31 PM
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If a woman doesn't have the responsability of stopping other women from being misandric then you have zero responsability to stop a guy harassing a random woman, So a race to the bottom then? Christ.
/r/LeftWingMaleAdvocates22/07/23 04:27 PM
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How frequently do you hear anyone talk about masculinity outside the scope of "toxic masculinity"? More without mentioning toxic than with 100%. And how frequently do you hear people discuss "toxic femininity"? Not often, but I don't have an issue with it, nor would I think it implies that femininity is toxic. There's very clearly manipulation of language going on here, in order to get people to associate masculinity with being toxic. There's a reason that the counter-part to toxic masculinity i…
/r/LeftWingMaleAdvocates26/04/23 06:04 PM
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You are reducing this conversation down purely to the rules of grammar... This was the first comment: ...it really bothers me that they refer to it as ‘toxic masculinity’ rather than ‘masculine toxicity’ - the former implies the masculinity is toxic or has toxic components, rather than that there are particular masculine and feminine strains of toxicity.... That is a grammatical argument through and through. And it is only the grammatical reasoning that I am responding to and calling asinine.
/r/LeftWingMaleAdvocates26/04/23 05:55 PM
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While it's true that an adjective modifies the noun it describes, when you so consistently pair up a particular adjective/noun combination, it undoubtedly creates a strong link between those two things in everyone's mind. And that's a perfectly fine argument. And not made by the first user. My issue is that they said, because of the grammar, use masculine toxicity instead. Which if used across the board could follow suit implying that toxicity in general is masculine. Because as you point out, a…
/r/LeftWingMaleAdvocates26/04/23 05:54 PM
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"Hysterical women" describes a subset of women to whom the adjective applies. Same with "violent black men." I don't expect that you will fight to the mat to defend the use of those terms, however, as you have done here for "toxic masculinity." No. Because the person making the argument isn't saying that all women are hysterical, as you just mentioned, "a subset". My argument is not, for the upteenth time, about using a negative adjective. It's about the logical argument that toxic masculinity, …
/r/LeftWingMaleAdvocates26/04/23 05:48 PM
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I did not say it logically implies all masculinity is toxic, I said it implies the (particular) masculinity in question (in whatever context) is toxic. . the former [Toxic Masculinity] implies masculinity is toxic or has toxic components, This does not specify any (particular) masculinity. And you're only adding it now in (parenthesis) because you're considering it assumed in what you said.
/r/LeftWingMaleAdvocates26/04/23 02:35 AM
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It's not an analogy. It's standard grammar. but it does imply that what you call "toxic waste" is, in fact, some kind of waste. Right! Just like toxic masculinity is still some kind of masculinity. The toxic kind! Toxic Masculinity" is a subset of masculinity which is toxic, "Masculine Toxicity" is a subset of toxicity that is masculine. Except that first part has already been disagreed with. They are saying it means masculinity is toxic. They disagree that it means a subset is toxic. which is m…
/r/LeftWingMaleAdvocates26/04/23 12:27 AM
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The more you talk about toxic waste, the more people will think all waste is toxic. If you want to strip all nuance from this conversation and treat people like idiots, I guess, yeah. It still won't address the asinine grammatical argument made in the other comment.
/r/LeftWingMaleAdvocates25/04/23 11:07 PM
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But I’m not implying all masculinity is toxic? You're saying others are, by using that framing. ...as silly as it sounds it really bothers me that they refer to it as ‘toxic masculinity’ rather than ‘masculine toxicity’ - the former implies masculinity is toxic or has toxic components, rather than that there are particular masculine and feminine strains of toxicity. it is not the masculinity itself that is toxic, Yes. I know. In fact. nobody is saying that even the proponents of TM. Yet, in the …
/r/LeftWingMaleAdvocates25/04/23 11:05 PM
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I understand how adjectives world and I wouldn’t have a problem with ‘toxic man’. My point is it’s not the ‘masculinity’ itself that is toxic. There’s a key difference here. And nobody is in disagreement with you. Not even proponents of toxic masculinity as a phrase. Your own logic as to what you'd prefer instead is circular. You're applying different rationalizations despite doing the exact same thing, only switching which word is the adjective and which is the noun. And somehow, coming to an o…
/r/LeftWingMaleAdvocates25/04/23 10:44 PM
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they refer to it as ‘toxic masculinity’ rather than ‘masculine toxicity’ - the former implies masculinity is toxic or has toxic components, rather than that there are particular masculine and feminine strains of toxicity. It's an adjective and works like any other. Toxic waste, describes waste. Not all waste is toxic. Toxic chemicals. Not all chemicals are toxic. All you're doing is grammatically switching the adjective and the noun. Ergo, according to your logic, implying all toxicity is mascul…
/r/LeftWingMaleAdvocates25/04/23 10:02 PM
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I think it's plain that this is not a good fit. She clearly wants the idea of a person who is not you. Her interests would be better served to find someone who is non-binary or bisexual. She repeatedly has not respected your boundaries. If you choose not to end it, you'll need to have a real conversation about what lines shouldn't be crossed. Be prepared to break up and the next time she does, end it. I'm curious what these good moments are that couldn't be found in friendship. Shared activities…
/r/MenSupportMen03/04/23 05:05 PM
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Question? What does knowing or knowing somebody's not knowing have to do with knowing this subject at hand in relation to the relevance or not of that particular topic as opposed to the matter that you are referring to about nuance? Because they said this I mean, feminism handling men's issues with nuance? Doesn't really happen. When the two of us have actually had the nuanced discussion about feminism he says doesn't happen. And this is a thread which started without nuance which I tried to bri…
/r/LeftWingMaleAdvocates28/03/23 02:01 AM
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I understand intersectionality can be more nuanced than that, but often it sadly isn't... There are definitely rigorous academics and intellectually honest people who use intersectionality correctly, they're just not the majority of the people who use intersectionality unfortunately. Which makes users and comments like OP's part of the problem.
/r/LeftWingMaleAdvocates09/03/23 02:49 AM
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We know each other. There's no reason for this comment. We both understand intersectionality is more nuanced than that. Something the top comment seems to refuse to accept.
/r/LeftWingMaleAdvocates08/03/23 06:41 PM
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Only if you're choosing to handle a subject without nuance.
/r/LeftWingMaleAdvocates05/03/23 01:15 AM
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You either A) Think of the working class as an oppressed group in society or B) You think that most of the working class is 'privileged' on account of their sex. You can't have it both ways. Intersectionality is not binary.
/r/LeftWingMaleAdvocates04/03/23 08:17 AM
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Beyond Admission stats, what are the application rates? Unless the solution becomes affirmative action for men.
/r/LeftWingMaleAdvocates04/02/23 07:59 PM
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It's not invalidating. He's pre-empting concerns about a body count despite her having a kid. He's in the other comment defending that she's not a hoe. I'm saying it doesn't matter and shouldn't matter. The other user is saying, actually OP, you're wrong. She is a hoe.
/r/MenSupportMen26/12/22 04:25 PM
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Nah. I'm out. You should be responding comments like this one. https://www.reddit.com/r/mensupportmen/comments/zurcz6/should_i_end_my_relationship_with_my_gf_due_to/j1og92x/ Calling OP's girlfriend a Hoe. I can't say it shouldn't matter but they are allowed to say it does.
/r/MenSupportMen26/12/22 02:52 PM
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I pay for everything So does she have any kind of job? I don't think it's realistic to support 4 people on that income. She needs to find a job. Even if it's data entry from a staffing agency she can do from home. She has to bring something. low body count, Bro. It doesn't matter. This shouldn't be part of the equation at all.
/r/MenSupportMen25/12/22 06:57 PM
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Cassie Jaye did not start the red pill. She made a documentary about it. The Red Pill was a monosphere subreddit on this very website for years before that documentary was made. Mary Wollstonecraft, is considered the founder of feminism, and is a woman. She was a traditional trinitarian Anglican in her early writings, a rationalistic unitarian Christian Dissenter in her middle writings, and a Romantic deist, skeptic and possible atheist in her late writings. Charles Fourier, a utopian socialist …
/r/LeftWingMaleAdvocates16/10/22 03:49 PM
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The research isn't good and it's not on point. The author claims to be a leading expert in Critical Race Theory. He isn't.
/r/LeftWingMaleAdvocates16/10/22 03:42 PM
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You mean the creator of the documentary the Red Pill? What the name of the Catholic guy?
/r/LeftWingMaleAdvocates16/10/22 05:14 AM
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Can you DM me the link that they DMed you? Because this claim (EDIT: if it's the one I think it is) has been repeated several times, including on this sub, which I believe last time a mod removed the claim because I was able to prove it wasn't true. That mod even came to this sub to explain what happened. https://np.reddit.com/r/LeftWingMaleAdvocates/comments/g8aukm/comment/fp0jo37/?context=3
/r/LeftWingMaleAdvocates16/10/22 03:59 AM
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Can you link me what they DMed you? Because this claim has been repeated several times, including on this sub, which I beleive last time a mod removed the claim because I was able to prove it wasn't true. That mod even came to this sub to explain what happened.
/r/LeftWingMaleAdvocates16/10/22 03:57 AM
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Ask feminists has ocassional threads asking their opinion and there tend to be a few people who comment early who suggest menslib is anti-feminist and has a mysogyny problem. (sound familiar?) Some of them are long term haters, some of them have been banned and are haters. Some have decent criticism, but most come from a different perspective and a misunderstanding of what Menslib is about, or it's intent is. In those threads you'll find plenty of people who still recommend the sub, or qualify i…
/r/LeftWingMaleAdvocates16/10/22 03:45 AM
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since the redpill originally did come from feminism. Lol what?
/r/LeftWingMaleAdvocates16/10/22 03:38 AM
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I largely agree with you, but I did see a lot of people focus on Andrew Tate's baldness when making fun of him during his viral rise of infamy. Besides that. I can't think of any situation. And it wasn't so much from a place of actually wanting to shame all bald men, they just wanted to bully him and that was the feature chosen. It's not great since other bald people would see that content, but I think it is different to something like fat shaming because they actually thing fat people are disgu…
/r/LeftWingMaleAdvocates16/10/22 03:08 AM
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I know what woke means and what being woke refers to. I'm asking who are the "wokists" he's referring to are. Besides. Your link is to a website already predisposed to be biased against critical theory. Add on top that it's owned by a Christian nationalist and founded by a trump supporter, anti-vaxxer, who perpetuated the idea that LGBTQ people are pedophiles (groomers). The website is a full-on right wing outlet.
/r/LeftWingMaleAdvocates16/10/22 02:51 AM
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Serious question gents. What word should have been used to describe Alex Jones' build? I personally don't find the term "large" offensive. But maybe someone here does? To me large can mean a wide variety of physical attributes, from muscly, stocky, obese, or even tall. It's clear to me though that Felix does inted to fat shame Alex Jones. But my question still stands.
/r/LeftWingMaleAdvocates14/10/22 02:46 AM
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made his body into that mess, destroyed his health and consequently placed an additional burden on society ... I cringe when I see people like him who abuse their bodies. So it's fat shaming then.
/r/LeftWingMaleAdvocates14/10/22 02:42 AM
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it's not constructive. I'd wager that most people identified as 'incel' do not identify as such themselves. It's become a bit of a catch-all for men that people don't like I'm going to DM you a link to see my removed comment. Then see if the removal reason posted above makes sense. It wasn't used to be hostile, to insult another user. My experience in this subreddit is the only way Incel can be used as a term is to mean in the planets way possible, "not able to get laid" and bears absolutely zer…
/r/LeftWingMaleAdvocates13/10/22 09:42 PM
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My point is explaining why the other user is seeing so much defense of incels over his opinion that all Incel communities are toxic (mysogynistic).
/r/LeftWingMaleAdvocates13/10/22 07:50 PM
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This sub doesn't let the term Incel be used in a disparaging way. So you're left with comments who are defending Incels.
/r/LeftWingMaleAdvocates13/10/22 07:33 PM
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It's against this subreddits rules to be derogatory to people identifying or called Incels, it's against the rules to call someone an Incel.
/r/LeftWingMaleAdvocates13/10/22 05:46 PM
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Wtf is a "wokist"
/r/LeftWingMaleAdvocates13/10/22 05:43 PM
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Duluth was not the outcome from vague definitions of patriarchy.
/r/LeftWingMaleAdvocates29/09/22 07:03 PM
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Taking quotes out of context is not nitpicking. Ellen is talking about the Duluth model. Not Patriarchy.
/r/LeftWingMaleAdvocates29/09/22 02:10 AM
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[Patriarchy Theory] suffers from all of the same flaws that the Duluth model suffered from. Then you're just admitting that these two models are conflated, on purpose because there's no distinction between them. So when Ellen Pence backtracks on the Duluth Model she's also backtracking on Patriarchy? Because that's the implication. And that's why the ciriticism is vague. Duluth is never mentioned. Ellen Pence is not criticizing patriarchy in her quotes.
/r/LeftWingMaleAdvocates28/09/22 05:05 PM
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The Duluth model is related to the patriarchal theory of violence. Not to any modern understanding, no. OPs own post shows how it's fallen out of favor.
/r/LeftWingMaleAdvocates28/09/22 03:45 PM
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Slide 4, he cites Dobash and Dobash, 2017. That book is from 1979. The post is about how vague patriarchy is. But the criticism is just as vague. Saying patriarchy is "kind of meaningless" is weasel words. It either has meaning or it doesn't. Be explicit.
/r/LeftWingMaleAdvocates27/09/22 07:41 PM
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This post goes from patriarchy on one slide to the Duluth model on the next implying they are equal and one in the same. I doesn't mention the Duluth Model by name. Just "this model" while quoting Ellen pence. There's no clear antecedent to what you're referring to. Then you say "same blunt theory" (Duluth) is being used to apply towards other issues needing to smash. - Male suicide, body dysphoria etc. Duluth hasn't been applied to any of those. Duluth only concerned itself with domestic violen…
/r/LeftWingMaleAdvocates27/09/22 05:30 PM
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What character is invisible?
/r/LeftWingMaleAdvocates10/09/22 05:02 AM
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There are other movies today that continue to fit that bill. Selecting one of the largest intellectual property canons as evidence of what that movement produced is weak. If articles like this: https://www.digitalspy.com/movies/a845869/star-wars-the-last-jedi-feminist-feminism/ is what you base of the new trilogy being feminist your just playing with different definitions. You're saying before feminism took over popular culture, indicating Alien is something pre-feminism. Alien is feminist and w…
/r/LeftWingMaleAdvocates10/09/22 12:36 AM
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I don't think common day cash grabs on established intellectual property is a good example of Hollywood being overun by feminists. Alien was by far more progressive at the time (iirc even the cast in the script was written as gender neutral) and highly supported by feminists of the time. Alien is a feminist movie.
/r/LeftWingMaleAdvocates09/09/22 11:40 PM
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However, I have noticed that feminists often talk about their personal experiences that justify why they hold their ideas. This seems lacking when men advocate for themselves. Is it possible you just have different experiences? I'm sorry, but someone's opinion based on their experiences is valid, it can't be "lacking" anymore than your experiences lead you to believe what you believe.
/r/LeftWingMaleAdvocates07/09/22 10:25 PM
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That is the implication. Women can practice patriarchic norms themselves, as well as support others indirectly, or even oppose antipatriarchal behavior in the partners to detriment of both.
/r/LeftWingMaleAdvocates28/08/22 10:16 PM
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My experience here is that "patriarchal structures" are a myth. There's no such thing as patriarchy. And people who use the term do so in a fashion that means all men at all times are oppressors of women. The prevailing argument here is that feminists do not recognize that patriarchy hurts men too, definitionally. Not "some feminists". I read the comment above as the the user admitting Patriarchal structures are real. Not just a logical inconsistency of feminists.
/r/LeftWingMaleAdvocates28/08/22 09:17 PM
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wouldn't it be more accurate to say that the concept of masculinity (and femininity) are inherently toxic No, because there are healthy manifestations of both. Period. there appears to be little, if any, difference between traditional masculinity and toxic masculinity Well toxic masculinity only came into being as a response to the harms of traditional masculinity, so it does draw heavily from it. There's plenty of positive things that come from traditional masculinity but as I said it all depen…
/r/LeftWingMaleAdvocates28/08/22 07:35 PM
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I conceede tour point, but it's not like Incel ideology and some actual people haven't had a negative real-world impact. That shits not just contained "obscure internet communities" and I really wouldn't consider them to be shitposters either.
/r/LeftWingMaleAdvocates28/08/22 09:11 AM
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I think some feminists ignore that the patriarchal structures that oppress women, also alienate men from their being. Amen brother. Hard to find someone making sense around these parts.
/r/LeftWingMaleAdvocates28/08/22 09:09 AM
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this comment assumes a heterosexual couple. What is toxic masculinity? Toxic Masculinity is the way traditional gender expectations are enforced on men, restrain them, require them to police their own expressions, and the ways that men are encouraged to perform an idealized version of masculinity (which may not correspond with their authentic self) and is ultimately harmful to themselves and/or others. What is traditional masculinity? Plainly the masculinity standards that exist today based on t…
/r/LeftWingMaleAdvocates28/08/22 07:33 AM
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Possibly out of frustration when they couldn't get through to OP. ... I do see a lot of parallels between fundamentalist religion and feminist practice. So I can understand where the joyfriend is coming from. Well they either beleive that or they don't. And even if "they didn't mean it" in frustration there's still something there to inform that sentiment. I don't know about you, but I think accusing your SO as being indoctrinated or brainwashed in frustration, is not a minor deal. It's illumina…
/r/LeftWingMaleAdvocates28/08/22 06:51 AM
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technically one can usually opt out from having penetrative sex. This is just not true. . Usually
/r/LeftWingMaleAdvocates28/08/22 06:02 AM
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So what I said. The argument is only in practice. Seems people agree with him though, not you or I.
/r/LeftWingMaleAdvocates28/08/22 05:39 AM
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Nobody is intrinsically right. So OP will need to look at the arguments and make up their own mind. This is the point I am making. The word "indoctrinated" is in quotes which I assume to mean a word he used. Sending someone get "re-educated" into having the "right" opinions is not an open ended quest for truth. From OPs perspective, her joyfriend has suggested a one-way path forward under the belief that they are right and "so good at communication", and sent her here because they will agree wit…
/r/LeftWingMaleAdvocates28/08/22 05:36 AM
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Well "smash the patriarchy/trickle down equality" is neither gender essentialism nor biological difference. Which is what I was responding to.
/r/LeftWingMaleAdvocates28/08/22 04:37 AM
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When dealing with extremist ideas such as the Patriarchy Theory, its nigh impossible to have a "balanced perspective" Everyone here seems to be in agreement that OP has pretty reasonable views. They aren't an extremist. Can you have a "balanced perspective" on the Zionist Conspiracy Theory? Sorry. I didn't realize that was the situation at hand.
/r/LeftWingMaleAdvocates28/08/22 03:34 AM
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Feminism is converging with the conservative right on issues such as essentialism and biological difference That sounds mostly like TERFs who are heavily ostracized in most feminist communities.
/r/LeftWingMaleAdvocates27/08/22 08:53 PM
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The mod of this subreddit seems to agree with me.
/r/LeftWingMaleAdvocates27/08/22 07:57 PM
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feminism does strive for an egalitarian world and feminism isn't supposed to represent men issues Are mutually exclusive, only one of these can be true. I think you can argue in practice they are not. But it's not intrisically incompatible. But FWIW I do agree that feminism should work alongside and for and with and any other preposition for men's issues.
/r/LeftWingMaleAdvocates27/08/22 07:36 PM
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Coming from someone who is profeminist: This community will only give you one perspective for what it's worth. So when you lead your edit with all these things that feminism is and isn't... Yoire getting the opinion of largely anti-feminists that are going to have their own color. Like you, I don't believe feminism doesn't have fault or can't be criticized. But many people, and I would argue the dominant perspective here is that feminism is the problem. Your post seems to assume that you're joyf…
/r/LeftWingMaleAdvocates27/08/22 07:29 PM
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I thought so, but I still can't explain this sentence: And she always had social pressure from his parents and society to do something.
/r/LeftWingMaleAdvocates17/08/22 05:06 AM
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Just a heads up you switch between pronouns a few times.
/r/LeftWingMaleAdvocates17/08/22 03:33 AM
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And one of the top posts from a mod who is also an MRA is a plea to others MRAs to stop being so confrontational. It is not secret the imbalance of the community there, and it has been a conversation since the subreddit started, and a major thorn in that many of the feminists have been ran out by other members. So the notion that your post being the top one lacks that additional context. Surely, as do I, can agree with your point, but that's only part of the issue. The other half are the conditi…
/r/LeftWingMaleAdvocates13/08/22 09:51 PM
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The rules are not followed evenly by the various factions that are encouraged to debate there. People feel like their side is being targeted (censored by comments being removed for breaking their rules) but only because their side are the ones that break the rules more.
/r/LeftWingMaleAdvocates13/08/22 06:25 PM
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I just want to point out that your desire to no longer be a virgin doesn't have to be mutually exclusive with a solid relationship. That depends on your own values, but it may be easier to address part of what you feel is an issue that trying to have it all be fixed with a single solution. If being a virgin is causing enough issues beyond simply not being in a relationship than you could consider working towards that first, build that confidence and then seek a longer relationship. Even if that …
/r/MenSupportMen08/08/22 01:01 PM
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So you did say it. Asked to edit it because I was right that is was sexist?
/r/LeftWingMaleAdvocates07/08/22 01:45 AM
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I didn't say, that men invented all poems. Lmao. You just edited it out of your comment 4 minutes ago. I directly quote you in my response. You wrote what you wrote. . I did say that if someone claims, that the Western civilization has been built by men Emphasis mine. Which is what I also said you were omitting in your response. You didn't say that until now and you admit it in this comment. You're right about one thing. I've meant the western canon. Glad to see you'll conceed half of my point.
/r/LeftWingMaleAdvocates07/08/22 12:27 AM
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These are not basic facts about histories. They are oversimplifications based on pedagogy in the western canon. Homer did not invent the Epic in 8th or early 7th century BC. For starters, there were epics told through oral tradition, but besides that, Gigamesh predates Homer by centuries as do others. Outside the western cannon, India has its own practice of Epic Poetry around the time of Homer and after. Montaigne did event the essay. That does not relate the first sentence where "Man" invented…
/r/LeftWingMaleAdvocates06/08/22 11:24 PM
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From what you have written, you think of "constructions" as something imposed on individuals by society... we should understand social constructs not only as social impositions but as people's choices too. They are people’s choices too. I do want to respond to this more directly even though what I'm about to say is in my other comment. They feedback on each other. And It's normal for people to intellectualy and rhetorically beleive in a more egalitarian construction, we can even consciously and …
/r/LeftWingMaleAdvocates06/08/22 11:04 PM
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But constructs are not something you can just undo. Isn't it like you could wake up and just "build" your whole behavioral pattern from zero without any support from constructs? I think this is the same point I'm making. OP is saying "how come people act like this, or why do I have to behave in certain ways that are supposedly dictated when gender is a construct". Even when those are the same people who behave in a way that's gender essentialist but rhetorically say it's a construct. To start, t…
/r/LeftWingMaleAdvocates06/08/22 10:53 PM
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The statement may be unprecise, but it isn't a lie. It's literally as unpercise and inacurate as the statement he complains about in the next sentence, that men invented war.
/r/LeftWingMaleAdvocates06/08/22 09:16 PM
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my point,that men have achieved incredible things in terms of forming our civilization and that the idea that men expressing their feelings through art discover their "feminine side" is in fact THE most "sexist and ahistorical" shit one can think of. Most or not, I'm not in disagreement with you. But your statement doesn't represent that nuance. It doesn't say the western canon of thought is predominated by men, despite historical institutions seeing so that it would be the case. It's an incredi…
/r/LeftWingMaleAdvocates06/08/22 08:01 PM
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That doesn't make what you say any more accurate? Like sure, you can complain about those people, but you're responsible for that you say while they are responsible what they say.
/r/LeftWingMaleAdvocates06/08/22 07:37 PM
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Who invented art, poetry, classical music, literature? Men :) That's just as sexist, and completely ahistorical.
/r/LeftWingMaleAdvocates06/08/22 07:09 PM
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Edit: would love for someone to comment why they disagree with me. Gender can be both a construct and real in people's lives. Ignoring it completely is ignoring reality, because gender roles are still salient in society. I think what a lot of people miss when talking about how these norms, despite rheotric, continue to show up even though they are constructions. It would be great if gender was less salient in our lives. But that said, the gender binary and essentialism is everywhere. So as long …
/r/LeftWingMaleAdvocates06/08/22 07:05 PM
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24 Top Experts, not Top 24 Experts.
/r/LeftWingMaleAdvocates03/08/22 06:48 PM
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Whenever I'm in an argument with a feminist I tend to generalize them. I also tend to call them out when they generalize MRAs and men. This is blatant hypocrisy... how do I handle this dilemma? Stop generalizing people. Ask what the person you're talking to thinks, and have a conversation from there. Take the higher road.
/r/LeftWingMaleAdvocates01/08/22 09:14 PM
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Limited in their duration and effect, “restraining orders” are distinguished from the more lasting form of court intervention called an “Injunction.” Generally, restraining orders are sought as a form of immediate relief while a plaintiff pursues a permanent injunction.
/r/LeftWingMaleAdvocates02/07/22 02:51 PM
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after a Harris County District Court judge granted a temporary restraining order that blocks an abortion ban that was in place before Roe v. Wade. You sat and agreed with me, because laws get very specific about such things. . You sat and agreed with me, because laws get very specific about such things. https://mobile.twitter.com/scottbraddock/status/1543105683209523200?s=21&t=j3eqB-41YjJh4lIBSjDpGg
/r/LeftWingMaleAdvocates02/07/22 02:34 PM
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Looks like your comment is removed, you wrote: Good thing abortion isn't actually illegal anywhere. An empty statement, this isn't twoxchromosome. It's illegal in Texas. A restraining order was put in place a few days ago allowing it again in the clinics specified on the lawsuit with a meeting coming up very soon. And its been illegal after 6 weeks ever since Texas passed its new ban when supreme court didn't take the appeal. By the end of the month Texas trigger law will set in making it certai…
/r/LeftWingMaleAdvocates02/07/22 07:22 AM
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And exceptions to abortion should be made when there are exceptions to "taking responsibility."
/r/LeftWingMaleAdvocates02/07/22 06:37 AM
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They typically have an exception for permanent harm to the mother in terms of disability and threat of life. that said, a lot of these anti abortion laws restrict doctors to the point of having to wait until a pregnant person's life is in immediate danger to act. Ectopic pregnancy? They'll wait to see if the body naturally rejects it. Water broke before viability? They'll wait to see if the body naturally rejects it, even though it's definitely dying if not dead. They'll wait until the likelihoo…
/r/LeftWingMaleAdvocates02/07/22 06:36 AM
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I can't find a single report that indicates Drake used a condom.
/r/LeftWingMaleAdvocates02/07/22 06:29 AM
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But if she gets pregnant anyway, why shouldn't she still be able to abort? Even in the instance she thought she wanted it, she's allowed to change her mind when faced with the reality.
/r/LeftWingMaleAdvocates01/07/22 10:55 PM
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Especially if we know that slogan is not universally valid. Except as many people have pointed out the instances where it doesn't apply that you've shared aren't good (masks), don't exists (guns) or they agree with you (conscription).
/r/LeftWingMaleAdvocates01/07/22 10:54 PM
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RE: Effect/Impact other people, the father I think we can all recognize someone in a dedicated relationship that the decision to abort has some effect on the other person, even if they are another woman. However, there is no realistic situation to conpell a woman to have a child she does not want, because her partner wants it for themselves. It's a complete non-starter. it does prevent the body of another person from being born. In the sense that it would otherwise become a person? Or that it is…
/r/LeftWingMaleAdvocates01/07/22 10:50 PM
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That is a slippery slope. How "free" are they not to wear a mask if you exclude them from public transport, hospitals or buying food? How free are doctors that they have to wear masks? Or food prep people gloves and a hairnet? Part of the social contract is not to spread contagious diseases, especially to those more vulnerable. I'm sick and tired of people comparing it to abortion as if abortions are contagious as if that makes people inconsistent. Had a Self-indentified "egalitarian" the other …
/r/LeftWingMaleAdvocates01/07/22 10:44 PM
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right to carry automatic assault rifles This is not a bodily autonomy issue. The issue with assault rifles is not illegality for you to physically hold them, but that ownership is illegal. Come on man.
/r/LeftWingMaleAdvocates01/07/22 10:40 PM
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I believe bodily autonomy should be a thing, but it should be a thing for men too. My sperm, my choice. Consenting to sex isn't consenting to parenthood and using my sperm for procreation against my will should be illegal. No one should be forced into parenthood, period. I hear your complaint, I really do. Wear a condom. (INB4 Yes it's not foolproof)
/r/LeftWingMaleAdvocates01/07/22 10:39 PM
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Your freedom stops where someone else's freedom begins - obviously, duh! You think anti-vaxxers and anti-maskers are ridiculous? How about when THEY brandish the My Body My Choice argument? You just said it. The decision to not wear a mask, or to drive drunk, for example endangers others and their rights. An abortion is a private decision that doesn't endanger others. There is a good argument to be made that a fetus is not a person and there is a good argument to be made that even if it was, the…
/r/LeftWingMaleAdvocates01/07/22 10:35 PM
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Abortion has always been split left and right not men and women. Anyone who says otherwise have never looked at a poll. Conservative women are more likely to be anti-abortion. Progressive men are more like to be pro choice.
/r/LeftWingMaleAdvocates25/06/22 05:50 AM
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I'd say that it's quite possible that she's going to be charged with something and publishing too much at this stage would potentially undermine the case. Extreme doubt. Even in the instance she confronted him and she didn't beleive him she certainly would not be to blame, and even if you could prove that she believed it was an error and did it anyways it would be incredibly difficult to convict, and no prosecutor is going to without a close to gaurentee. and still for incitement you'd have to a…
/r/LeftWingMaleAdvocates22/06/22 07:34 PM
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The guy stole sausages. he wasn't mistaken at the park for playing with his own children ...
/r/LeftWingMaleAdvocates22/06/22 02:31 PM
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Police are at fault for the error. Neither the police nor the girlfriend are at fault for the assault. The assailant is. The girlfriend didn't incite violence. The police didn't (as far as we can tell) didn't charge the man with pedophilia, just got the the information on the release data wrong. Those two point are about factual accuracy, not blame. She is responsible, in much the same way the owner is responsible for siccing a dog on someone else or a dictator is for ordering their soldiers to …
/r/LeftWingMaleAdvocates22/06/22 02:29 PM
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I'm talking about the fact that if that had been what he was charged with, the information would have gone public regardless, and the same sentence passed in the court of public opinion. Well, now there's an IF. From what The Guardian published there's no mention of this being anything more than wrong on his release document. While that does beg where the issue is in their computer system, it would be trivial to find out if that's what he was actually charged with on his record and say so. All r…
/r/LeftWingMaleAdvocates22/06/22 06:03 AM
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She is responsible for her actions, i.e spreading fake information. I am sure you are smart enough to realise how damaging it can be. I'm sure you also realize she isn't liable for the police's mistake either.
/r/LeftWingMaleAdvocates22/06/22 06:00 AM
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UK where they publish the identity of everyone that are charged, Did the court or anyone in government publicly release that this man is a pedophile? Because unless I missed it in the article it doesn't say that.
/r/LeftWingMaleAdvocates22/06/22 05:38 AM
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Inciting violence requires immediacy, unless she was "you all should do something about this" and then they went straight there to assault him then sure. Otherwise she's not responsible at all for the actions of others.
/r/LeftWingMaleAdvocates22/06/22 05:19 AM
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the girlfriend, who at least incited violence, Lol what?
/r/LeftWingMaleAdvocates22/06/22 04:42 AM
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I highly doubt gender has anything to do with this
/r/LeftWingMaleAdvocates22/06/22 04:41 AM
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Did you read the article? The information was wrong on his release papers which he physically brought home. His then girlfriend is the one who told the town
/r/LeftWingMaleAdvocates22/06/22 04:39 AM
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According to you this policy is subject to subjective moderator decisions. You're acting like it's one more reason why Menslib sucks. I'd sooner expect a claim it is toothless or wouldn't actually be acted on rather than seeing it as a new opportunity to get banned. its functionally no different than it was before and does not represent anything novel or new in the ability for menslib to eradicate criticism of feminism. You just explicitly prioritized the holiness of feminism's brand name over m…
/r/LeftWingMaleAdvocates21/06/22 09:25 PM
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For ages you would complain that no criticism of feminism is allowed. And I always held that there was a good deal of criticism, you just had to be specific about a person, event etc. and not just generalization (reee feminism) or a comment about how some woman said something mean on twitter. of course, you would see a rule explicitly allowing for specific criticism wouldn't be a "break" in Menslib's 'controlled opposition', a change in the direction of what you've been chanting for for years, b…
/r/LeftWingMaleAdvocates21/06/22 09:06 PM
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There's nothing "woke" about FDS, even by the right's definition.
/r/LeftWingMaleAdvocates16/06/22 04:25 PM
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Yet these [extreme blue hair woke kind of feminists] will slide back into conservative talking points about how its a woman's duty to get the best alpha genes for her offspring, basically advocating cucking. Yet dare suggest a man should also do the same and you will be burned at the stake. Yeah, that sounds more like a description of FDS than "woke" feminists.
/r/LeftWingMaleAdvocates16/06/22 03:10 PM
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A submission statement written by OP is a top level comment giving context, framing, or a launching pad for discussion. It's required in many subreddits, and also has the effect of making sure people making posts stick around for the discussion and not just hitting the "share to reddit" button just because they saw something online. It also eliminates bot submissions. If you Google "reddit submission statements" you will find various subreddits policies for implementing them and other discussion…
/r/LeftWingMaleAdvocates08/05/22 03:40 AM
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We're talking about a low effort post without a submission statement
/r/LeftWingMaleAdvocates07/05/22 01:50 AM
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I read the article the law analysis basically consists of these three paragraphs Why is the case 'historic'? While prosecutors and the court agreed that a crime had been committed in this case, they were initially unsure which specific charges to levy against the 39-year-old. "We have written legal history here today," Judge Astrid Salewski reportedly told the court. After first investigating whether the crime constituted rape, the judge decided a charge of sexual assault was fitting after readi…
/r/LeftWingMaleAdvocates07/05/22 12:34 AM
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It's not an article about the law or policy. It's a post about an indivual person doing a bad thing.
/r/LeftWingMaleAdvocates07/05/22 12:19 AM
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I personally don't think the post is constructive, and seems to just drum up outrage. What I am saying that regardless of the content of any article a submission statement is needed. And none was provided.
/r/LeftWingMaleAdvocates06/05/22 07:15 PM
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they should have found a completely different article That's not what I said.
/r/LeftWingMaleAdvocates06/05/22 06:58 PM
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Posts require submission statements for one, "No means no here as well," I like this thought very much. I don't think this counts. The end of rule being "shit posting and low effort submissions will be removed".
/r/LeftWingMaleAdvocates06/05/22 06:37 PM
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Compromises are not cause and effect. It's an active agreement. I'm not against compromise. I'm not against transaction. The way it was pitched above is not "cause and effect", which they insist it is, because what's desired is not actually walking away, but to get support for their own side. If it was, they would just drop support. Not make it conditional. You don't know anything about what I believe. Support them on principle or not. That's it. Support for rights should never be conditional.
/r/LeftWingMaleAdvocates03/05/22 05:54 PM
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And what do all those examples show? A desire to leverage the situation to their benefit. In your examples, they are done for good reasons. What they don't share with the other users statement is simple "cause and effect". That would be a man no longer supporting his girlfriend after being abusive. A parent grounding a kid because they misbehaved. An employee getting fired for showing up late too many times. If it were cause and effect, you would just do it instead of leveraging a threat. Threat…
/r/LeftWingMaleAdvocates03/05/22 05:24 PM
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Either way, blackmail or not, you did not mention or respond to a single other point I made. Because what I was talking about was it being blackmail or not. I have nothing to argue or say on the rest.
/r/LeftWingMaleAdvocates03/05/22 04:47 PM
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It is not blackmail to say “Treat us better or we’ll stop helping you”. It’s simple cause and effect. Blackmail: the use of threats (we'll stop helping you) or the manipulation of someone's feelings to force them to do something. (treat us better) Cause and effect would simply be that they didn't treat you well, and you stopped supporting them. No threats needed. No objective desired from them. You're taking the opportunity of them needing help and using it a token in renegotiating your support.
/r/LeftWingMaleAdvocates03/05/22 04:27 PM
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Forgive me if I’m overstepping certain bounds (I’m serious; just say the word and I’ll delete the post and won’t bring it up again). But perhaps the solution is to just...not support them until certain conditions are met and concessions made. This is essentially blackmail to restore someone's rights. So much for solidarity, amirite?
/r/LeftWingMaleAdvocates03/05/22 03:24 PM
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black people are listened to but there is still mass incarceration, police shooting, and gentrification. That sounds like people not listening. You don't end up with a protest like Black Lives Matters by listening to black people.
/r/LeftWingMaleAdvocates24/04/22 10:53 PM
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Are you new here? Seriously asking.
/r/LeftWingMaleAdvocates24/04/22 04:33 PM
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Does it not then logically follow that the outcomes for those people who were historically demonized would be the same result of modern demonization using the same rhetoric?
/r/LeftWingMaleAdvocates24/04/22 04:58 AM
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What the point to bringing up the eerie similarities with Nazi propaganda then?
/r/LeftWingMaleAdvocates24/04/22 04:50 AM
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What bad outcomes are you expecting? Why would they not be the same as what was produced under eerily similar rhetoric?
/r/LeftWingMaleAdvocates24/04/22 04:40 AM
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Then saying it's "eerily similar" doesn't have any concluding concern.
/r/LeftWingMaleAdvocates24/04/22 04:23 AM
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Are you expecting vast deportation and murdering of men?
/r/LeftWingMaleAdvocates24/04/22 04:06 AM
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There's no way this comment is going to go over well here.
/r/LeftWingMaleAdvocates24/04/22 04:04 AM
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The meme was an example of the right-wing thought processes that habituate in feminism. Other commenters listed others. OP says in the title the feminism is rooted in far-right bigotry then in the passage says the the far right adopted anti male rhetoric from feminism to become argue their anti immigrant stance. It's inconsistent. It's not even accurate. What's written in OP is not merely a phenomenon that inhabits both, or a habit of both, although the rhetorical arguments are similar. OP is ma…
/r/LeftWingMaleAdvocates17/04/22 06:02 AM
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Not arguing that.
/r/LeftWingMaleAdvocates17/04/22 05:05 AM
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Can you explain to me what the bio means? I don't understand it.
/r/LeftWingMaleAdvocates17/04/22 03:08 AM
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I feel like my other comment is a bit rambly. There are definitely unholy alliances between sects of feminism and other specific right-wing groups. I don't think that's fair to say feminism, generally speaking, and the entirety of the right wing, are ideologically similar when both come to similar conclusions from very different perspectives and reasons. Edit: Or that agreeing on a few select positions makes two groups with much broader disagreement similar ideologically.
/r/LeftWingMaleAdvocates17/04/22 03:04 AM
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Search “prescribed intersectionality is integral to the logic of neoliberal colonialism” I did. And as someone critiquing what is evidently "psychobabble" this is what the account of that video says as their bio: The primary goal of this channel is to make dream-films that discursively resonate towards ancestral healing and reverence. I beleive you might be the maker of this video. What does that mean?
/r/LeftWingMaleAdvocates17/04/22 02:37 AM
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And the right wing for the idea from feminism for the framing that one bad apple is enough to swear off all of them? I'm not arguing that the rhetorical strategy is not similar. I'm arguing that this says nothing about the root of either ideology and does not represent transmission of the idea from one to another. Edit; in other words the vigilance for safety from feminism against violence from men, and the vigilance for safety from the right wing against immigrants are very different from each …
/r/LeftWingMaleAdvocates17/04/22 02:21 AM
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This post is about the right wing and feminism being rooted in the same thing. Even if you feel both via the means of their agenda is via the demonization and denegration of men they would still have very different roots. Feminism and the Right-wing are not close ideologically. Full stop. What you detail in your post is both participated in the same rhetorical device. That says nothing about ideology. Much less it's roots. Ideologies are memes, in the original sense of the word, as memes are ide…
/r/LeftWingMaleAdvocates17/04/22 02:13 AM
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Feminist doesn't mean that the concept has to be gendered, but they will focus on how the concept effects women. Women are overrepresented in the service industry where a lot of the focus of emotional labour takes place. Hochschild also frequently wrote about women and marriage and work. But she definitely was a lot better about keeping both genders involved in her analysis. What I am saying, is there was never a time when emotional labor wasn't part of the feminist understanding. And some femin…
/r/LeftWingMaleAdvocates17/04/22 01:59 AM
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Yes. The GrammerNazi also came from 1930s Germany Propaganda. It's an insult. Everyone is called a Nazi these days.
/r/LeftWingMaleAdvocates17/04/22 12:48 AM
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I cant stand how feminists have co-opted emotional labour. Emotional Labor as a concept was already feminist. But yes, I am also annoyed the lack of distinction between emotional work and emotional labour and the natural tendencies for academic concepts to leak and morph through the public, become misapplied and over-extended.
/r/LeftWingMaleAdvocates17/04/22 12:43 AM
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this meme began as a feminist one... This seems to lead to the conclusion that feminism is suspiciously close, ideologically, to bigoted, dangerous far right views Sorry bub. A meme, an ideology does not make. The right wing and feminism have very different ideas about what who men are.
/r/LeftWingMaleAdvocates17/04/22 12:37 AM
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Well aware, thank you.
/r/LeftWingMaleAdvocates16/04/22 03:36 PM
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Funny that you say this. And I don't see a reason why it ought to be reclaimed. Virgin was fine and continues to be just fine. That's not contradicting myself. People are using Incel to mean virgin/celibate. I'm saying they are not the same, because Incel is beleiving or acting in ways that associate and affirmatively self-identify with a mysogynistic ideology. I'm not missing the point. I'm disagreeing with them.
/r/LeftWingMaleAdvocates16/04/22 03:13 PM
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So much nonsense. Being an incel first and foremost means that you are incapable of getting laid. That's it. In the 90s. The only reason the identifier exists now is because of its use in blackpill ideology. Now it's turned into a vague political insult and being watered down again. Even if you want to insist there are legitimate use cases for Incel it's running defense for actual Incels who are mysogynistic. As I said in my top comment there was never anything wrong with just saying someone's a…
/r/LeftWingMaleAdvocates16/04/22 03:08 PM
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Virgins and Incels are not the same thing.
/r/LeftWingMaleAdvocates16/04/22 02:47 PM
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I'm saying there is no reason to use this word in the general sense. And people using the word to mean "boys who struggle with relationships" and people who use it as a political insult are watering it down and the result will be cover against people who do self identify and are mysogynistic. To take a more extreme example. It's like admitting there's a Nazi problem. But there's two kinds of Nazi. By saying some people have a misunderstood but legitimate claim to the label blurs the demarcation …
/r/LeftWingMaleAdvocates16/04/22 02:42 PM
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There's a distinction between being "involuntarily celibate" and self identifying as an Incel. The only time the former definition was used in the literal sense was when the term was originally used. There is absolutely no reason to identify with or as an Incel if you are not intending to mean you are a member of those groups. They aren't on Reddit anymore, but I think if they were people wouldn't be so concerned with appropriately labeling them. I don't expect those articles to make the distinc…
/r/LeftWingMaleAdvocates16/04/22 06:09 AM
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If you're still interested remind me and I might be able to scan them in. It's something I've wanted to do for a bit.
/r/LeftWingMaleAdvocates16/04/22 02:03 AM
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I can also refer this magazine issue from Time For a more basic layperson overview and a quicker read. I'm not really sure what the resale market is like for magazines but it's one I have on my shelf. It shares some overlap with the subject. But also has more animal comparisons and things not in the book.
/r/LeftWingMaleAdvocates16/04/22 01:44 AM
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I can recommend you the book Delusions of Gender: How Our Minds, Society, and Neurosexism Create Difference by Cordelia Fine. A 2010 treatise against the previous conceptions of "male and female brains". It contains references to many studies. One criticism of the book is that while it does 'debunk' previous claims it does not really go into modern research where sex differences do matter to the dismay of current researchers. One can be left with the impression that there are no differences, but…
/r/LeftWingMaleAdvocates16/04/22 01:37 AM
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The specific thesis that "individual differences are greater than group differences" is what I was talking about. That doesn't mean the same thing as "men and women are virtually identical" So if that is what you are addressing your response isn't referring to that. Both statements could also be correct at the same time. And I can see that too based on your framing. Men are from Mars and Women are from Venus is still reductionist. It's the same position as "there are no differences" in reverse. …
/r/LeftWingMaleAdvocates15/04/22 05:37 PM
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People just disagree with the interpretation that men and women are virtually identical. And that is largely because the facts and evidence do not support that. Well that's not what I'm purporting.
/r/LeftWingMaleAdvocates15/04/22 05:17 PM
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This is called the gender similarity hypothesis and it has never been proven. And the differences model is no more proven than it. Over the last 50 years understanding has been shifting from the differences model to similarity, stressing greater emphasis on factors other than genetics when understanding gender. The similarities model better represents the current state of understanding than the 1990 book Men are from Mars and Women are from Venus. However, Hyde’s hypothesis is based on the flawe…
/r/LeftWingMaleAdvocates15/04/22 04:17 PM
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I am talking about degrees and not a blank slate. There is more variation within one one half of the gender binary than between them. There's more space where they overlap than where there is distinct sperarations.
/r/LeftWingMaleAdvocates15/04/22 02:52 PM
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This is actually the one thing my girlfriend insists on doing because she doesn't like how I fold clothes. She won't even let me fold just my clothes... that go in my drawers and away from her clothes where she can't even see them. She says she's OCD about it I find this so bizarre. Completely out of sight/out of mind. And still bothers her. Not a big deal either way. ¯\_(ツ)_/¯.
/r/LeftWingMaleAdvocates15/04/22 03:27 AM
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Women are brought up on a steady diet of television and nonsense, with no moderating forces. Yeah. This part does sound like an asshole. Edit; Lmao. Y'all downvoting me when their comment was even removed over it.
/r/LeftWingMaleAdvocates15/04/22 03:23 AM
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At best, in situations where it's essentially novel to both of us .... Obviously I know more about computers, I'm a guy. Obviously a guy I don't think it's surprising that when this term comes out its also about traditional gender roles. Obviously on one count because most of us were socialized that way. But also, both genders (or any gender with stereotyped roles) are going to fall back on those preconceived notions when it's advantagous. It's certainly against the egalitarian spirit, but it's …
/r/LeftWingMaleAdvocates15/04/22 03:21 AM
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I think the use case of weaponized incompetence is overblown and is another example of previous phrases (learned helplessness) being reframed/rephrased into medicalized terms of abuse. Such that it's no longer appropriate to say you were lied to. But gaslit. It is possible, to maliciously perform tasks/duties/chores incorrectly to force the other person to do it, or to not be asked to again. However, most cases are not that. And ultimately stem from resentment of your partner because you can't c…
/r/LeftWingMaleAdvocates15/04/22 03:11 AM
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As I wrote it before. No. It won't address every situation that can turn predatory, but it would target a sizable portion of the behavior in the reporting.
/r/LeftWingMaleAdvocates13/04/22 10:30 PM
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And I explained why.
/r/LeftWingMaleAdvocates13/04/22 10:28 PM
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What is that ? What I said in my earlier comment? I do not agree it needs to be blanket rule that no single man can host a refugee. But there could be easily identified requirements such that the refugee would require their own accomadations. That won't fix the predatory behavior of some individuals but it would real a common sense requirement that may limit it some. You think that refugees resettlement authorities would be okay resettling a refugee knowing they would have to share a bed with th…
/r/LeftWingMaleAdvocates13/04/22 10:08 PM
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This thread is not about those legitimate relationships so it's weird of you to be talking about them. I mentioned the Times reporting in relationship to the UNs change in stance. Then you responded to me.
/r/LeftWingMaleAdvocates13/04/22 09:56 PM
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And what I'm saying is the situations as described hardly qualify as consensual sex. It's the reason why the actions some of these men that are being reported about are considered predatory, ie, exploitive. When you say you don't see a problem with consensual sex in this conversation that leads me to assume you consider what's happening to be consentual sex, and therefore no issue.
/r/LeftWingMaleAdvocates13/04/22 09:48 PM
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And that's why I suggested the spare bedroom rule.
/r/LeftWingMaleAdvocates13/04/22 09:31 PM
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You don't see an issue, even if it's not criminal, to be a refugee without a home, in the situation where they are compelled to trade sex for shelter? You can't immediately assume that yes means yes when the situation requires duress. It's still exploitive.
/r/LeftWingMaleAdvocates13/04/22 09:30 PM
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Guardian article mentioned above; https://www.theguardian.com/world/2022/apr/13/stop-matching-lone-female-ukraine-refugees-with-single-men-uk-told Times article; https://www.thetimes.co.uk/article/female-refugees-seeking-new-homes-after-sexual-advances-by-british-hosts-zsh78cvxm Wrong times, I beleive that was this article.
/r/LeftWingMaleAdvocates13/04/22 07:47 PM
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The reporting does not indicate the risk is the same. Most men will not be refugees either, as they are not allowed to leave the country.
/r/LeftWingMaleAdvocates13/04/22 07:43 PM
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I support reforming the matching system to better protrct people and vet who can sponsor. Ultimately the agencies themselves are responsible for the safety of the people they place. They need to do whatever they can reduce their liability. I do not agree it needs to be blanket rule that no single man can host a refugee. But there could be easily identified requirements such that the refugee would require their own accomadations. That won't fix the predatory behavior of some individuals but it wo…
/r/LeftWingMaleAdvocates13/04/22 07:39 PM
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I'm not advocating for the legislative demonization of all single men.
/r/LeftWingMaleAdvocates13/04/22 07:14 PM
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Well it was the NYT (I think) who published an article a few days ago undercover as a ukranian female refugee in various relocation Facebook groups and many men were implicitly trading the "safety" (ie, shelter) for sex.
/r/LeftWingMaleAdvocates13/04/22 06:16 PM
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I don't think anyone seriously suggesting all men or all women do X is a sustainable position. And people who have the reaction "well I don't" in response to generalizations I think are missing the point. Perhaps they aren't talking about you then. That's says nothing about whether the generalization is fair though.
/r/LeftWingMaleAdvocates13/04/22 06:06 PM
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Not familiar.
/r/LeftWingMaleAdvocates13/04/22 05:45 PM
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I don't think askfeminists is the end all opinion of feminism any more a handful of users in askfeminists have bad takes.
/r/LeftWingMaleAdvocates13/04/22 04:05 PM
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As I said, I don't agree with them. So as far as criticism to their community goes, have at it. What I'm saying is there is no reason to presume the accuracy of their statements, and therefore suggest Menslib has a problem.
/r/LeftWingMaleAdvocates13/04/22 03:23 PM
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characterizing ML as filled with incels. They beleive reddit is filled with incels.
/r/LeftWingMaleAdvocates13/04/22 03:03 PM
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toxic masculinity. A term that originated in the 1980s as a way to describe that part of the male psyche that is abusive Anyone know what he's talking about here? I'm not aware of its use as a concept before 1995 circa Shepard Bliss and the Mythopoetic Men's Movement. Edit. I beleive he may be referring to Connell's Hedgemonic Masculinity. Which is fine, there are differences but I'd agree it's part of the same lineage of thought. Edit #2: Neither instance says it's inherent to men/masculinity: …
/r/LeftWingMaleAdvocates13/04/22 01:49 PM
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And here I am addressing the complaints in askfeminists. Your point? I said a person got banned and it colors the whole conversation. You link to a conversation of someone you banned and then posted a negative review and more people replied agreeing. There's absolutely no difference in these situations.
/r/LeftWingMaleAdvocates13/04/22 06:12 AM
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You're not here to debate and so I'll respect your wish. But I will offer my opinion here -.- Proceeds to write a short novel. I left it largely unread. This does not reflect my wish. This is exactly what I intended to avoid. I should have said I don't want your opinion, rather than saying I don't want to debate. You wanted an example, I wanted to give you one. Nothing more. Entitlement, Wish fullfillment. The core issue is varying degrees of expectation. Different people reasonably have differe…
/r/LeftWingMaleAdvocates13/04/22 06:07 AM
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The amount of upvotes on these and similar comments tells us that there is more to the "narrative" then you're willing to admit. https://np.reddit.com/r/MensLib/comments/omtpn7/antifeminism/h5nyefi/ Stop beleiving everything you read on the internet. Based on the upvotes of this comment you have a bigger problem then you let on. You're using the criticism of people you largely disagree with as a weapon because it's advantagous to someone else you disagree with.
/r/LeftWingMaleAdvocates13/04/22 05:51 AM
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Oh, here's another user with a fresh account: https://np.reddit.com/r/AskFeminists/comments/tx0h7c/please_help_to_educate_me/i3jdaw3/ ML is misogynistic and anti-feminist? In what way? In what universe? That'd be the equivalent of saying that Democrats are pro-life or anti-vax. Right. And that's why I don't take the 'prevailing' narrative as being serious. Unlike a-man-from-earth (in reality he just wanted to get a dig against us). I mean, what would a feminist's criticism of MensLib even look l…
/r/LeftWingMaleAdvocates13/04/22 04:27 AM
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It's almost as if different people are using the phrase and meaning something different. Motte and Bailey, generally refers to the same entity falling back to the other argument. The Motte and Bailey here are two different groups in opposition to each other, even if both claim the title of Feminist. If only they would say: "You know what? This actually is a slogan that is open to misinterpretation. Let's use something better!" This argument can be made about nearly anything. People spend way to …
/r/LeftWingMaleAdvocates13/04/22 04:13 AM
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As I said in my other comment, there is some criticism from good faithed people. Some of which I engaged with, some of which I read and listened to. Some of which I don't agree with at all. Some people have opinions. Such will be true anywhere.
/r/LeftWingMaleAdvocates13/04/22 04:02 AM
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I think that would be yet to be seen. As I said, it has shown some legitimate criticism, but the fuel has largely be via instigators. Likewise, as I have linked threads with purported feminists beleiving some rather wacky things, Menslib is no more likely to be having a falling out with feminism then askfeminists with Menslib. I think alot of people in askfeminists have a misunderstanding of intent and function that Menslib serves. They have one idea of what it is, or ought to be, but neither ar…
/r/LeftWingMaleAdvocates13/04/22 04:00 AM
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Yes, says me, that's all I can speak for. They are wrong. I'm talking about a hashtag that was popularized in 2018. Here's an article at least from 2020 making the positive case: https://www.washingtonpost.com/lifestyle/style/believe-women-was-a-slogan-believe-all-women-is-a-strawman/2020/05/11/6a3ff590-9314-11ea-9f5e-56d8239bf9ad_story.html it links to an article from 2017 https://www.elle.com/culture/career-politics/a13977980/me-too-movement-false-accusations-believe-women/
/r/LeftWingMaleAdvocates13/04/22 03:49 AM
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/u/TheLWMA, this on one such user, they were banned 27 days ago, the comment a-man-from-earth linked is 26 days old. The account is now, unsurprisingly, suspended. So no, I don't this it's fair to suggest the recent threads over there to be indicative of something more serious. Unless we are to suggest that users like KindofBliss are actually correct.
/r/LeftWingMaleAdvocates13/04/22 03:41 AM
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typical feminist motte-and-bailey doublespeak. It's a nice fallback to say it was never meant to mean that, but at the same time it does communicate exactly that. Plainly, it doesn't communicate exactly that. It wasn't intended to mean what it became. That doesn't mean people didn't use it to justify the wrong things. To some people it clearly does mean that to them. They are wrong.
/r/LeftWingMaleAdvocates13/04/22 03:21 AM
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I don't have those specific ones at hand.... This one was brought up by a user with a 9 day old account at time of comment. https://np.reddit.com/r/AskFeminists/comments/tx0h7c/please_help_to_educate_me/ They're largely instigators. New accounts, banned users or at least very vocal and known about their disdain. Some of the most prominent users have died out over the years, and especially after /drama left reddit. But there has been a more recent increase in askfeminism largely from people I wou…
/r/LeftWingMaleAdvocates13/04/22 03:13 AM
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this claim that holding Heard accountable for her own actions will lead to no woman being believed Yeah, that's too much of an absolute statement to be true in any situation. That it has the potential to harm the progress of MeToo is a real concern and valid. No small part because Heard invoked it as a weapon. Her decision has the potential hurt other women down the road. It would be great for supporters of MeToo and #beleivewomen to recognize that. Reactionaries, conservatives, mysogynists etc,…
/r/LeftWingMaleAdvocates13/04/22 02:25 AM
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There are some extremists in AF that are warning people against ML. In the past couple of weeks, I know of at least two instances where the user who brought the sub up had been recently banned. And that obviously colored everything that came after.
/r/LeftWingMaleAdvocates13/04/22 02:12 AM
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That "Amber Heard is making it hard for women to come out with their stories because people will use her as an example that women can't be believed!". I don't think this perspective is completely without merit. On the back of #MeToo many women had not been beleived. And there is real concern someone will use this to attempt to dismantle that. (Edit: oh, and In the end if there is someone to blame for the tarnished reputation of female victims to be beleived, it will be Heard's, who used her posi…
/r/LeftWingMaleAdvocates13/04/22 01:36 AM
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i don't use the word "Apes" colloquially to refer to Non-Human Apes. Then you are very bizarre. It isn't a colloquialism either. Don't cryptically say "we're evolved" That's not cryptic. It's the difference between us and a chimpanzee. The sentence that directly preceeded it, to make the distinction between the two clear. social system/environment that encourages murder&theft(i.e Total Anarchy) Anarchism does not encourage theft. Once again you're outlining a view of humans that if left alone wi…
/r/LeftWingMaleAdvocates12/04/22 12:57 AM
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Tribes that had Women take on dangerous tasks(i.e Defending the Tribe) gave birth to less children or none. Citation needed. Its... Self evident? Women are the bottleneck of human genepool. If a women dies fighting a war, all her potential children die with her. But if a man dies, he may have had children, so he passed on his genes despite dying. And if he didn't, some other Man could fill his role. Yes. Any woman who died would not be able to bear any future children for the tribe. But other wo…
/r/LeftWingMaleAdvocates11/04/22 06:03 AM
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Humans are still classified as Apes. Idk what you mean by "more akin to apes". Then you're being purposely dense. We are evolved. We aren't any less subject to environmental influences than they were, for ex: the internet revolutionized how humans communicate, now the information&culture flows at the speed of light cutting through geographical boundaries. No. No less susceptible to an environment. Less susceptible to the environment. the natural world, as a whole or in a particular geographical …
/r/LeftWingMaleAdvocates11/04/22 05:45 AM
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Occam's Razor, just because something is simple doesn't mean its wrong. It's reductive. It doesn't necessarily mean it's "wrong" but it's coming to a conclusion before considering the evidence. The evidence in this case is the actual anthropological record. Survival Of the Fittest applied to ancient tribes as well. This is part of the problem. More reduction. You're suggesting early societies to be more akin to apes than human. Their societies are just as complex in many ways filled with conscio…
/r/LeftWingMaleAdvocates11/04/22 12:30 AM
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Men do the breadwinning and having women raise children In earlier times you're talking about men being hunters, right? My point is that this is an overly simplified and reductionist view on early societies. Not all were hunters, and not all were all the time. Upper palaeolithic sites would alternate seasonal migrations where they would hunt, and had cyclical fish-runs and nut harvests. Inuits would do fish runs in the summer under a very authoritative patriarch and then in the winter reform und…
/r/LeftWingMaleAdvocates10/04/22 10:05 PM
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from a tribalistic point of view anyway, it wasn't until the Idustrial Revolution that this behavior sorta started being challenged, right? I would say that's pretty reductive, the Mochu in Peru has a warrior queen, and there have been a number of other early societies with female warriors. It's incredibly difficult to know for sure what anyone "liked" before the written record. I think suggesting the idea was unchallenged for centuries to be a very hard position to hold. And this kinda applies …
/r/LeftWingMaleAdvocates10/04/22 08:03 PM
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Once again, your natural theory is heavily reductioness. Treating humans the same as any other mammal reacting to environments and evolving through nature. Driving off instinct, and biological programming. Humans have one thing that sets apart from all other living things on this planet. Politics. As political creatures we can create and mold societies however we choose to.
/r/LeftWingMaleAdvocates04/04/22 01:09 AM
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Humans are a part of nature and are driven by instincts, we're not driven by binary calculations like computers. Society is a product of the environment interacting with Biology, humans merely adapt to the environment like any animal. Sure. But civilization isn't an organic thing. Laws aren't made based on instinct. Conscious Political Actors can't transcend their biological impulses Lol okay. I think that's the impass right there. You do realize that there are people who argue that if mankind i…
/r/LeftWingMaleAdvocates04/04/22 01:07 AM
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The part you quoted is in context where i was explaining why the "Patriarchy" was the result of a natural order and not some human perversion as many believe it to be. If we were still monkeys, sure. However "society" "civilization" is made from conscious political actors. Not every consequence may have been known at the time particular decisions were made. What you suggest as "natural order patriarchy" looks nothing like how civilizations and states crafted their societies or laws. Nothing abou…
/r/LeftWingMaleAdvocates03/04/22 04:19 AM
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If Feminists don't have a consensus, then who's idea of Patriarchy Theory is actually valid? Well "feminists" as a group is a fairly umbrella term. The reason there isn't a completey agreed upon consensus is because, as you are aware, multiple sects if feminism beleive different things. I really don't need to explain this. This goes back to my OP, as long as the decisions being made are in your favour, does it matter what class/gender/race the person in power is? No. It doesn't necessarily matte…
/r/LeftWingMaleAdvocates30/03/22 01:40 AM
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My last comment above from 5 days ago was already trying to get you to stop insisting on what I personally believe and attributing positions to me I do not hold. It's why I stopped replying. And here you are continuing to badger me on things I have not said and do not believe. Using perhaps the most reductive possible understanding of patriarchy, of which even feminists have different definitions, ranging from yes, the inherent and intentional oppression of men to women, to an observation that a…
/r/LeftWingMaleAdvocates29/03/22 05:21 PM
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moral implications of Patriarchy(ie:Men oppressing their sisters,daughters,mothers&wives), I've never said anything like this.
/r/LeftWingMaleAdvocates29/03/22 03:37 PM
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Medical substances are generally held to a higher standard when applying for approval today than decades ago. The reason male contraceptives aren't being approved is not because women's contraceptives were passed before rightening restrictions. misogyni Why do you keep spelling it like that? It's pharmacologically much more difficult to develop a drug that pacifies millions of sperm cells 24 hours of each day in a month than having a drug that kills a single egg cell during a time span of a few …
/r/LeftWingMaleAdvocates27/03/22 05:13 AM
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Women's BC was certainly not held to as high a standard, but that's not a reason to continue making shitty BC. It is the same standard, base on whether the side effects are "worth it" when balenced with the risk. Women can get pregnant. Men can't. That justifies a higher tolerance for potential side effects. I'm completely with you that it should be be the case. But medical incentives don't always line up with public opinion (physician assisted suicide anyone?). However, its not because women ar…
/r/LeftWingMaleAdvocates27/03/22 05:10 AM
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Graeber's the Dawn of Everything will touch on various early indigineous civilizations and whether they could be considered 'egalitarian'. There isn't a direct focus on gender roles, but it is mentioned here and there. The book is more generally about correcting the anthropological record with newer evidence, training readers to be imaginitive with various political systems, what underpins the basic feelings of equality or freedom, and how the world eventually came under the thumb of various for…
/r/LeftWingMaleAdvocates26/03/22 04:28 PM
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I also think it's silly on the post it says "I know I have to break up with him". There's a pretty big difference with intervening on behalf of a stranger and protecting your spouse.
/r/LeftWingMaleAdvocates26/03/22 06:21 AM
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you guys ... your level ... Why are you attributing any of that to me? Feminists look the other way and pretend nothing happened. And what? I or Menslib support that article? No one said you had to follow this Sub's guidelines on misandry. A simple anti-misandry rule would suffice. Okay. I see your point. But obviously "no sexism" wouldn't suffice. And that begs the question on Accusations of it being an emptyless gesture, or no intention to be enforced Doesn't address a fatal misunderstanding b…
/r/LeftWingMaleAdvocates26/03/22 04:59 AM
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You're apply one set of rules to feminists and another to yourselves At least we apply rules to both sides, I appreciate your comment being more thought out then most, you've quoted me, but it seems like you've completely ignored what I meant by it and responded with an opposite asseration. "At least we do the thing that we're accused not to be doing". All we ask for is a strict Anti-Misandry policy in Feminism, is it too much to ask? Let's be honest here. The policy you're asking for they don't…
/r/LeftWingMaleAdvocates25/03/22 05:02 PM
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Feminism is an ideology, being opposed to that is not. Like all things, it absolutely can be. You don't think the antifeminists you disagree with have an ideological basis for their opposition? I'm an atheist. That means I don't believe in any gods. It does not mean I necessarily agree with other atheists about anything else. It's like that. And someone is pro-feminist I don't even agree with feminists on everything related to feminism, nor eveything else. There's really no difference in what yo…
/r/LeftWingMaleAdvocates25/03/22 04:52 PM
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as "not a real feminist" in places like AskFeminists. Because that was not the situation I was in just earlier this week? Yeah. Okay dude.
/r/LeftWingMaleAdvocates25/03/22 05:31 AM
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Anti-feminism isn't the main focus, The argument I've consistently made is that here, in practice, it is the main focus. If you read my comment I actually say it's 1 of three main aspects, next to male advocacy and misandry.
/r/LeftWingMaleAdvocates25/03/22 03:40 AM
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That's true of nearly everything online.
/r/LeftWingMaleAdvocates25/03/22 02:05 AM
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There's nothing intersectional about #girlboss. It's performative crap. ie more women in leadership positions inside of existing capitalist institutions You are far more charitable to the people using hashtag activism that I am. It is the direct manifestation and consequences of intersectional feminism becoming mainstream. Every mainstream movement will have a poorly understood manifestation in the public eye. Especially as it dillutes and tickles out from academia.
/r/LeftWingMaleAdvocates25/03/22 12:44 AM
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When I say Pop feminism I'm talking about stuff like #girlboss. You basically said that you lean in a specific direction No, I said these are feminisms I tend to agree with. These others are not.
/r/LeftWingMaleAdvocates25/03/22 12:27 AM
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Intersectional feminism is literally what pop feminism is. No it's not. Pop feminism isn't academic. There's plenty of academics on intersectionality. They are not compatible from an ideological standpoint. Why are you trying pigeon hole what I believe. I think there utility in the ones I mentioned. That still doesn't mean I agree with every one all the time.
/r/LeftWingMaleAdvocates25/03/22 12:07 AM
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I'd question why it's so important to you. Is being a feminist part of your personal identity, up there with your religion or something? It's not, I'm not. Go read my top level thread. FATL is saying I am a feminist and am culpable. I'm only asking why it isn't being applied to you same measure.
/r/LeftWingMaleAdvocates25/03/22 12:04 AM
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That anti-feminism has a gigantic problem with misogyny which is rampant throughout the movement, which doesn't get addressed in any meaningful way. This is what I'm talking about man. You're apply one set of rules to feminists and another to yourselves. We're talking about lawmakers, lobbyists, academics, writers, activists, media personalities, the kind of people who affect public policy and public perception. Not some subreddit. I can assure you. The most public and vocal antifeminists have s…
/r/LeftWingMaleAdvocates24/03/22 07:04 PM
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I'm pro-feminist. I generally agree more with sexts of feminism that are intersectional, Marxist or anti-capitalist. I don't agree with pop-feminism or a lot of standard fare liberal feminism.
/r/LeftWingMaleAdvocates24/03/22 07:01 PM
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It's not that I don't take responsibility for being a member of feminism. Because I'm not a member of feminism... The idea that I, or our brand of pro-feminism... Yea, the movement polices transphobia, Are you intentionally ignoring what I wrote. What the hell do I, or my community has to do with Domestic Violence in Spain?
/r/LeftWingMaleAdvocates24/03/22 06:52 PM
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If you disagree with OP then lead by example. I think my history in this sub for years is evidence of that. But you'll see OP saw my top level response and ceeded zero ground to where I personally distinguish myself from elements of feminism I disagree with. Similar distinctions to the ones you just made and your feminist identity.
/r/LeftWingMaleAdvocates24/03/22 06:51 PM
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What do you think your whole argument against feminism is predicated on!!!
/r/LeftWingMaleAdvocates24/03/22 06:49 PM
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I forgot the S. /r/antifeminists
/r/LeftWingMaleAdvocates24/03/22 06:29 PM
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So why are you still allowed to identify as one and why is everyone else telling me instead I shouldn't?
/r/LeftWingMaleAdvocates24/03/22 06:28 PM
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It depends on the feminism. Intersectional Feminism. Equity Feminist. Marxist Feminism. Sure. FDS calls themselves feminism. I wouldn't touch them with a 10' stick. As everyone in this subreddit will point out, the various distinctions of feminism can be nebulous. Depending on who you're talking to the word means something different (especially on reddit). What I've tried to make clear in this subreddit across the years is what I beleive. And despite the clear differences I have with feminists a…
/r/LeftWingMaleAdvocates24/03/22 06:22 PM
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or we can just outright adopt the label anti-feminist. Consider the label and the bedfellows you are choosing. /r/antifeminist
/r/LeftWingMaleAdvocates24/03/22 06:04 PM
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Constantly. See current events: JK Rowling
/r/LeftWingMaleAdvocates24/03/22 05:58 PM
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a right right wing fascist ... will ... claim to be feminists now adays Huh? Do you have an example?
/r/LeftWingMaleAdvocates24/03/22 05:57 PM
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In other words, not all Men have access to Male Privilege? Can we call this something else, like "Masculine Conformity Privilege"? No one says all men are benefitting at all times, or that men who do not conform are often left out.
/r/LeftWingMaleAdvocates24/03/22 05:55 PM
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And so are some MRAs The point I am making is your self-identification according to this subreddit makes you culpable. Just see the last few paragraphs on the OP.
/r/LeftWingMaleAdvocates24/03/22 05:52 PM
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And then just go on to ignore the rest of the comment and how I don't believe everything those feminists say.
/r/LeftWingMaleAdvocates24/03/22 05:50 PM
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As a feminist Well according to FATL and the user who replied to me below you just admitted to being part of a hate group.
/r/LeftWingMaleAdvocates24/03/22 05:25 PM
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for labeling yourself part of a hate group? Citation fucking needed. This is what I'm talking about with FATL making it personal knowing full well what my affiliation with feminism is. And he's in /r/Feminism_Uncensored so he's also well aware of feminists who are against Menslib too. I have earned my respect in this subreddit time and time again by proving whatever stereotype assigned wrong. I've had many users "begrudgingly respect" my position after showing we agree on a lot more than they we…
/r/LeftWingMaleAdvocates24/03/22 03:29 PM
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Also note that within days of that comment he left, never to be heard of again. that is the point
/r/LeftWingMaleAdvocates24/03/22 11:11 AM
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You put your founder /u/serpentineeyelash to shame. I hoped creating r/LeftWingMaleAdvocates would help bring leftists and MRAs together to at least talk to each other. It hasn't really worked out that way - I'm not sure if that's because of my moderation decisions or if it was just an impossible task to begin with.
/r/LeftWingMaleAdvocates24/03/22 07:29 AM
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So what are you as a feminist doing to combat your fellow feminists that are pushing for discriminatory laws that are harming us? Since when am I their keeper? Have I voted for someone I'm not supposed to? You know personally what my affiliations with feminism are and what my beliefs are, and you continue to insist after years that I, me personally, am the enemy. While you're busy falling over yourself to state that you and other feminists would never throw rocks. We're still getting hit with ro…
/r/LeftWingMaleAdvocates24/03/22 07:11 AM
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Lol. Been here long?
/r/LeftWingMaleAdvocates24/03/22 06:36 AM
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Glad you've finally decided to fly your flag loud and proud. Me 3 months ago Sub is antifeminist first, because the feminists are the cause of the issue / an obstacle to progress. Me over a year ago: This sub has a triple split focus on anti-feminism, male advocacy, and becoming the selfawarewolves of misandry. Granted I imagine the large majority of people here feel that feminism and misandry are the biggest issues facing men, but I digress. Me 2 years ago: I can say this sub doesn't make femin…
/r/LeftWingMaleAdvocates24/03/22 06:34 AM
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Has anyone else noticed this. Oftentimes I run into phrases like "he's just an unemployed neckbeard". I mean, the insult in that sentence in "neckbeard". And the implication is already that neckbeards don't work - they play video games in their mom's basement. Is there more stigma around men being out of work? Yeah. Is that word itself being used as gendered insult? Not in the way you suggest.
/r/LeftWingMaleAdvocates17/03/22 12:09 AM
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Thank you!
/r/LeftWingMaleAdvocates15/03/22 08:33 PM
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That's okay. The post already has a little bit of traction. Thanks though.
/r/LeftWingMaleAdvocates15/03/22 08:33 PM
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I didn't see an appropriate flair for activism. You don't have to agree with our subreddit, but money doesn't have ideological bounds. I've always tried to find where people can agree. If you'd like to donate to other organizations or through other drives that's fine. Right now Menslib is matching dollar to dollar up to around $500. So you may consider partaking in our drive to double your impact. I had to us a nonparticipation link to submit this. It doesn't work on all apps and devices but for…
/r/LeftWingMaleAdvocates15/03/22 07:17 PM
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I didn't see an appropriate flair for activism. You don't have to agree with our subreddit, but money doesn't have ideological bounds. I've always tried to find where people can agree. If you'd like to donate to other organizations or through other drives that's fine. Right now Menslib is matching dollar to dollar up to around $500. So you may consider partaking in our drive to double your impact.
/r/LeftWingMaleAdvocates15/03/22 07:14 PM
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anti-feminist = men’s advocate. One more time for the people in the back
/r/LeftWingMaleAdvocates10/03/22 09:11 PM
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This is such a bad characterization of what the supposed partriarchy even attempts to describe or what even the average feminist beleives it's hard to believe you're being serious. You have actually described a cartoon. Have a nice day.
/r/LeftWingMaleAdvocates24/02/22 12:56 AM
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It's evidence that power is separate from gender. Generally sure. But monarchy is not an example of how they are seperate. At that point in history status was in part determined by gender. And that is evidenced by the fact that if she had a brother he would be King instead. Men are overrepresented... Know your stats. I know my stats. I'm saying bringing up queen Victoria as an example of power being distinct from gender is dumb. Gender had a lot to do with whether she would even have that power.
/r/LeftWingMaleAdvocates23/02/22 08:17 PM
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Queen Victoria, and other female nobles, had loads of power! This is dumb in this context. Queen Victoria was only queen because her father's three brothers were dead and she was the only legitimate child. As in, she didn't have any brothers. There's a lot of things that had to align for her, as a woman, to have the power she ended up having. And it entirely had to do with whether there was another man.
/r/LeftWingMaleAdvocates23/02/22 07:37 PM
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The comments deleted now so I don't recall the specifics of what was said. But you can easily be specific about the action or behavior that's the problem. I think it's particularly silly, somewhat interesting at how the term woke has morphed and who is apparently now describes. It's a bit of a different conversation but you can be critical of interior progressive politics without repeating right-wing talking points or using their descriptions about people. Plenty of progressives have no issues w…
/r/LeftWingMaleAdvocates14/02/22 01:29 AM
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I mean, that's it's own generalization itself, isn't it?
/r/LeftWingMaleAdvocates13/02/22 11:15 PM
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VAWA funds are provided regardless of gender. Should it be renamed? Sure. Does the name have an effect on what's written inside? No. It's just politics. If the shelters the money is going to are not appropriate of if the training they are provided is also biased in the case of police officer training and perpetrators then those should be identified. It's not clear to me that VAWA is written in any other way but neutral besides the title. And the title doesn't have anything to do with enforcement…
/r/LeftWingMaleAdvocates02/02/22 09:09 PM
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but those other cancers are underfunded compared to breast cancer because of social bias that leads to overfunding "women's" problems. the amount of advocacy and donations is not a zero-sum game. Sure there's a finite amount of discretionary spending and some of it would surely be redirected in Susan B Komen evaporated overnight. But advocacy and awareness is not finite. Asking an advocacy network to stop doing what they sought to do is completely unrealistic. I have no issue if government looks…
/r/LeftWingMaleAdvocates02/02/22 08:27 PM
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but sexism against men is somehow always a different problem that doesn't involve fixing the sexism. What situation do i think? You keep making up your own versions of feminist arguments. Many of which, even if they were accurate are not my beleifs. You're literally making up things that people beleive trying to illustrate some level of hypocrisy. You don't need to make stuff up to do that! You don't need to argue in defense of things you don't actually believe in order to make a point.
/r/LeftWingMaleAdvocates02/02/22 07:23 PM
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Yes a lot of men would vote for their own oppression because they suffer internalized misandry. So you are saying that men who voted for Hillary voted for their own oppression? No more ludicrous than saying "men need to create their own domestic violence resource programs" instead of just, making the existing programs not be sexist. It's much more ludicrous! Governments should provide a more equitabke share of funds based on actual information on their communities. Advocacy and non profits have …
/r/LeftWingMaleAdvocates02/02/22 07:20 PM
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Can we please stay on topic rather than bringing of whatever version of feminist argument suits your needs? We've gone from talking about perspectives in equality. To representation. To gendered spaces, resources, need and advocacy. But men created the supreme court. Women "invaded" a men's space created by men. Nobody thinks this!! Nobody!
/r/LeftWingMaleAdvocates02/02/22 06:56 PM
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A lot of men voted for Hillary so it's not universally opposed. Then what are you actually arguing? That men voted for Hillary in the affirmative to be oppressed? You said it would be the oppression for men. To which I said, they would vote against their own oppression. Then you just responded that "yeah lots men did exactly the opposite". Okay same logic there. Taking away men's Congress seats is misandry. If women want seats they should instead lobby for Congress to be expanded with new seats …
/r/LeftWingMaleAdvocates02/02/22 06:53 PM
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and if you want more women on the supreme court you should just add extra seats for women. That's why I don't support giving men's supreme court seats to women, that's misandry, not feminism. This reads to me that the supreme court is by default for men. There's 3 female judges and 6 male. You were just talking about equal representation but you're saying in order for another woman to be added they have to add another seat? The supreme court seats don't belong to men. They aren't "men's supreme …
/r/LeftWingMaleAdvocates02/02/22 06:47 PM
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which is oppressive to men. And men would oppose it. So it's entirely consistent for women to oppose being drafted. Equality derived from not being subject to someone else's will is not just for women. That's why eliminating the draft is the path forward. If feminists don't hate men, they should instead lobby to increase the number of presidents so we can simultaneously have one man and one woman president, instead of taking away the only male president. But this is a fairly weak argument. Even …
/r/LeftWingMaleAdvocates02/02/22 06:42 PM
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Charging the gender makeup of the draft is a separate question to changing the number of people drafted. That's not really a congruent counter argument though. Because no draft is 0 men and 0 women which is the same principle of 500 men and 500 women.
/r/LeftWingMaleAdvocates02/02/22 06:33 PM
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You're fine to criticize the use of terms like toxic masculinity or the people who use it but that people who truly believe in toxic masculinity don't also see how the same "toxic" masculinity is holding back men talking about their abuse Is just not a fair characterization. The people who advocate for that term also advocate for men opening up about their experiences and feelings, about being vulnerable, and about attending therapy.
/r/LeftWingMaleAdvocates02/02/22 03:51 PM
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reddit might delete my comment Why?
/r/LeftWingMaleAdvocates02/02/22 03:48 PM
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Then you're admitting to use using women as a political object to your own ends.
/r/LeftWingMaleAdvocates02/02/22 03:32 PM
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ban male victims of rape for “taking attention away from female issues” That did not happen. Edit; love the downvotes even when the user above admitted they were wrong.
/r/LeftWingMaleAdvocates02/02/22 08:11 AM
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I don't want to dismiss the feelings of the other user but isn't preemptively enlisting in the military (which would still largely be giving away your autonomy and possibly life to the state) to avoid being forcibly enlisted or deemed persona non grata for a situation that IMO is actually unlikely the definition of paranoia? Not that one isn't justified in the feeling but that would describe the feeling accurately. Wouldn't right now be an equally troubling time for world war 3? Why only Trump?
/r/LeftWingMaleAdvocates02/02/22 02:22 AM
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The draft particularly pisses me off,... because it adds a level of existential political dread ... I spent my young 20s with Trump in office looking over my shoulder and wondering if I should enlist I don't understand. If you were looking at volunteering where does the draft come in?
/r/LeftWingMaleAdvocates02/02/22 01:25 AM
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It could be derailing depending on the conversation for either side — ie, changing focus and stagnating process. All depending on who has the floor at the moment. I don't think it's a fallacy either. But I do think they are fundementally different perspectives on what equality means. European notions of equality mostly refers to equality under the law, or equality under the sovereign. Where any citizen is identical to the other. Graeber refers to this as "equality of common subjugation". And tha…
/r/LeftWingMaleAdvocates02/02/22 01:23 AM
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Atleast ur a mod of their group, u Menslib is pro-feminist, feminism is not "our group". UNless ur also like most of the feminists on that subreddit who just hate men. Most people in that sub do not hate men any more than MRAs hate women. Anyways, are u a part of this sub?? I've commented here for years since it was small. I do not see eye to eye with the moderators and have spent chunks of time away, but I've proven my interest in good faith enough to earn enough respect with those reasonable e…
/r/LeftWingMaleAdvocates24/01/22 08:34 AM
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Because feminists are uniquely different than the rest of the population in those ways?
/r/LeftWingMaleAdvocates24/01/22 07:27 AM
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I think a lot of that comes directly from the amount of advocacy done. But I think governments themselves should be a but more responsive to the material facts in planning government programs. If it comes to non profits and the like, that's completely their decision.
/r/LeftWingMaleAdvocates24/01/22 07:26 AM
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That's because they don't spend as much on men's health because of this narrative by feminists. I would find the quantity of books and the plain economics of it to be a larger factor than feminist narratives. I full beleive there's enough for it's own section, but you'd probably have to pull from a little bit more of a diverse selection (which isn't a problem, it might even be better!). In a nutshell, Men's Health=Health. Women's health=women's health+men's health. Atleast that's how they are ma…
/r/LeftWingMaleAdvocates24/01/22 05:34 AM
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Advocating for one cause doesn't dismiss the need for advocacy elsehere. Of all she's doing is advocating empowerment of women that's not harmful. So I don't really see her post as an issue in terms of equality. I would look towards other male celebrities to take on a similar mantle for wellness of men.
/r/LeftWingMaleAdvocates24/01/22 05:29 AM
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On your non-gender poltitics I think many here would agree with you. The reason I'm skeptical about this sub is because I see a lot of criticism against feminists I feel is unwarranted. Don't get me wrong, there are a handful of uptight authoritarian "feminists" out there who may seek to criminalize catcalling on the street, have more "women only" spaces, and morally condemn video games that sexualize women. But this is not typical. I consider myself a feminist and like most others we aren't aut…
/r/LeftWingMaleAdvocates24/01/22 05:25 AM
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Even feminists are walking away from ML... Let's be fair here. far more feminists enjoy menslib than walk away from it. That's hardly an indictment. Don't like the moderation policies? By all means.
/r/LeftWingMaleAdvocates24/01/22 05:20 AM
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Nothing is wrong. I've seen it a few times in the wild as someone's attempt to be more inclusive or gender neutral, but I've never seen anyone actually having a problem for using the original word. I don't see much of a need. And it may not even be wanted (like latinx in many communities) it's just use as a single point to other 'progressives'. It's like "womyn" to include trans folk. Trans women are women. There's no need to be more inclusive than that.
/r/LeftWingMaleAdvocates10/01/22 06:26 AM
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Their users have been caught spamming child porn in subs they want taken down. Source? I've seen many people say this, no one say they were caught, and I've never seen evidence of it.
/r/AntiFeminists06/01/22 06:36 AM
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I don’t like having lgbtq men paraded as an example of what men “should” be, because a tokenized version of them is seen as lacking fragile masculinity or whatever other traits are talked about. Sure, but another way to frame this generally is that those from queer spaces are more self-reflected, more critical, and more true to themselves than a randomly chosen cishet man. IF queer folk represent a more authentic, open, and secure relationship with themselves and others, might that be a good cau…
/r/LeftWingMaleAdvocates05/01/22 08:17 PM
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bi men tend to be like this” but rather “bi men are this. Yeah, I'm saying talking absolutes is the the quickest way to tell someone they're wrong. But a simple charitable interpretation is they mean some, or most, or plainly just the ones they are thinking of in their head when they wrote it. x-demographic is more tended to, and proclaiming them as by default better, at least until proven otherwise ... regarding the moral endorsements aspect. Yeah. You come across that sometimes, and really in …
/r/LeftWingMaleAdvocates05/01/22 04:48 PM
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and if you have a way to describe it, cause I’m not sure tokenizing or fetishize are the best terms. They are into non-conforming, non-traditional, queer men etc. Being Gay or Bi would fit one of those catagories much more often that cishet. Edit: they are using "fragile masculinity" as a proxy for traditional masculinity. Or "a rejection of feminine traits in masculinity" - feminine traits are more common is Gay and Bi men. The other person may have a regressive relationship with masculinity, b…
/r/LeftWingMaleAdvocates05/01/22 03:15 PM
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This isn’t some woke PC language policing, I genuinely feel there is stigma behind committed suicide, and does feel like they are committing a robbery, or violent crime. I don't have any issue with it, but how is this not "woke PC language policing"?
/r/LeftWingMaleAdvocates01/01/22 07:08 PM
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men's mental health is worse because their lives are harder. This is dumb. It's purely speculative and whether one's life is harder has so many other variables to consider that have nothing to do with gender.
/r/LeftWingMaleAdvocates01/01/22 07:05 PM
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In other words, these overly masculine behaviours will certainly have a role in the equation as well, but to focus on those in particular But I'm not advocating for that. I had two points. So men DO go to therapy before committing suicide. — By OPs own information many men are not for whatever reason. It's not only an issue of care. It is NOT toxic masculinity, it is lack of care and exclusion of men, pure and simple!. — Rigid gender norms about masculinity absolutely do have a role to play, OPs…
/r/LeftWingMaleAdvocates01/01/22 06:59 PM
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There's no reason apart from ill-intended victim-blaming to justify the repeated attempts to ignore that problem and blame the victim's own "masculinity". Again. Where am I victim blaming? I think the system is failing men. So no matter how you look at it, the evidence for current therapy and services being tailored for women and not adapted to men at all is overwhelmingly larger than the theory that "toxic masculinity" is causing it. Dude. I didn't say it was the larger issue. OP said it wasn't…
/r/LeftWingMaleAdvocates01/01/22 05:19 PM
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However, I think it has more to do with the fact that mental therapy isn't affordable for all men than with toxic masculinity. Expense and a logistical inconvenience were also reported as a leading reason for drop-out (18%) That data point is already there. What is "going to therapy" if not a "mental health specialist"??? So, you're saying it's men's fault not to be comfortable with something that wasn’t designed with them in mind? Why should we tell men to "stop being so fragile" and not mental…
/r/LeftWingMaleAdvocates31/12/21 08:21 PM
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Conclusion So men DO go to therapy before committing suicide, Your own data says they have contact with Frontline services. Including the penal system. Your own data says roughly half have contact with mental health services. I would not find that congruent with "men DO go to therapy before comitting suicide". Although many do. Many do not. It is NOT toxic masculinity, it is lack of care and exclusion of men, pure and simple! Your own data refers to men speaking if being emasculated while attend…
/r/LeftWingMaleAdvocates31/12/21 05:35 PM
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I wonder what a proponent of toxic masculinity would argue against those... Studies on men's lack of help seeking behavior are as valid as the studies represented above. The only caveat I really have is that almost half of these contacts with "front-line" services are primary care. It's not clear the reason they were there or what they talked about. I do believe the system is failing men. But if only 30% sought mental health support and 20% is the penal system which would hardly help anyone I do…
/r/LeftWingMaleAdvocates31/12/21 05:25 PM
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Here's a writeup I did on the FAMILY ACT before the 2020 elections. I won't make you read it on Menslib, instead it's also stickied on my profile. https://np.reddit.com/r/u_InitiatePenguin/comments/esw25y/the_landscape_on_paid_family_medical_leave/
/r/LeftWingMaleAdvocates30/12/21 06:35 AM
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So you'd prefer to stoop down?
/r/LeftWingMaleAdvocates17/12/21 04:07 AM
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another idiot online. . I said it last time. And maybe this will be the last time, but calling people who you want to convince of something being true/not true is underminded when you call them an idiot.
/r/LeftWingMaleAdvocates16/12/21 09:55 PM
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it had no chance of doing anything. What are you talking about. People are already saying because the finalizing of the election was held late that it's illegitimate. Imagine if it was actually delayed. Almost 2 years into Biden's presidency, and nothing truly progressive has been done. Biden isn't even a progressive! They're using Jan 6 as a distraction. Two years in and you're STILL talking about Trump. And what? TRUMP isn't still talking about how the election is illegitimate? Dude. We have s…
/r/LeftWingMaleAdvocates13/12/21 04:44 AM
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while others are trying to continue it by hyperbolizing Jan 6th). How do you mean?
/r/LeftWingMaleAdvocates12/12/21 03:40 PM
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If you're comparing subreddit that allow memes with subreddits that don't you're going to have a natural split in the quality and effort of the posts. Iirc mensrights themselves allowed memes up until a year or two ago. And I'm sure you could grab a dozen posts just the same. Now you could say I am cherry picking, but I would argue that these aren't cherry picked. Rather, they are the top 5 post of this month in that subreddit. Memes are by nature are easy to upvote. If this sub allowed them, yo…
/r/LeftWingMaleAdvocates10/12/21 05:13 PM
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Sub is antifeminist first, because the feminists are the cause of the issue / an obstacle to progress. I think this whole post is a wash because we don't hold social theory to the same standards as scientific theory. Nor are social sciences the same as physics. Picking something as established as evolution, or gravity, just isn't fair in this context. How about competing theories of economics? Theories in general should be tried to disproven, and many of things purported as "theories" are closer…
/r/LeftWingMaleAdvocates07/12/21 11:19 PM
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Is this a pledge with a particular connection to you? Or is it just a random pledge with... 10 donations?
/r/LeftWingMaleAdvocates04/12/21 12:19 AM
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Okay, first of all, it sometimes is possible to PROVE crimes beyond any reasonable doubt. confession, hard evidence, dna, video footage Okay sure. Does anyone expect we apply that standard to all crimes? (And "hard" evidence has still failed). I said no such thing. Did you have me confused with someone else? Ah. Looks like you got to it before my edit. I was responding directly to the quoted portion of the previous user.
/r/LeftWingMaleAdvocates03/12/21 10:12 PM
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And it is [victim silencing], when taken in the wider context of a highly upvoted post downplaying the issue. I'm sorry. I didn't realize being silenced was contextual, or situationally conditional.
/r/LeftWingMaleAdvocates03/12/21 10:07 PM
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I'm talking about the inversion of liberal views of the death penalty. Not the views on the presumption of innocence. To be consistent we can't sentence anyone to anything. You said They said the traditional liberal views of the death penalty (stopping one wrong conviction is worth 5 walking) [therefore there shouldn't be a death penalty] doesn't apply when it's a sex crime. Ergo, as long as wrongful convictions exist we should not sentence people. Maybe I misunderstood what you they meant. Spec…
/r/LeftWingMaleAdvocates03/12/21 09:51 PM
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It is discouraging victims to come forward. It's discouragng that a comment is #2 when sorted by controversial? It's not a contraversial comment. It's literally only the second one when ranked by "the most contraversial". That says nothing about how actually contraversial the comment is. It's right next to another comment agreeing wholeheart with a net score of 2. More people have upvoted it. That's my point. It's right next to a comment saying they'd give all the awards to that post. Look, I'm …
/r/LeftWingMaleAdvocates03/12/21 09:28 PM
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Alice Sebold Wasn't sure if she was a victim at the time, or if it was fabricated, just took a look and she was, thanks for the ref.
/r/LeftWingMaleAdvocates03/12/21 09:14 PM
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Just the fact that the post itself exists, downplaying this very real issue, and is stickied on top of that, is a disgrace. And the specific comment being controversial at all is also telling. Is it silencing victims?
/r/LeftWingMaleAdvocates03/12/21 08:47 PM
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How often does a person who was legitimately raped falsely accuse the wrong person that results in a conviction? Genuinely curious.
/r/LeftWingMaleAdvocates03/12/21 07:57 PM
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It's almost like they are ok with the collateral damage of sending 1/10 innocent men to jail, because they lose all scope of justice once sex crimes are involve Is that what's happening? Is there not some nominal amount of the wrongly sentenced for any crime? The reason the standard is so high on the death penalty is 1. You're dead. And 2. You can appeal. I really don't see how it's inconsistent to be against the death penalty because the justice system is not fool proof but not apply the same s…
/r/LeftWingMaleAdvocates03/12/21 07:55 PM
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When I asked modmail, they told me to go read the comment. He told you to read the moderators reply to the reason it was removed in the thread.
/r/LeftWingMaleAdvocates03/12/21 07:46 PM
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Victim silencing because the user has his comment in a public forum, visible, that was not taken down and was upvoted for a net positive of 62? 2 more comments down (currently the 4th most contraversial comment) is "I want to give you all the awards for this". Is that also silencing? Come on.
/r/LeftWingMaleAdvocates03/12/21 07:43 PM
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For some specific examples on how women are excluded in research (that's your title, although the presentation is on medical research) I would recommend Invisible Women: Exposing Data Bias in a World Designed for Men by feminist author Caroline Criado-Perez One major point is car crash testing. When introduced they were using a male model. In 2011 was the first year a female model was used. Many tests still don't use them, and some that do, only test with the female in the passenger seat. I'm no…
/r/LeftWingMaleAdvocates02/12/21 06:31 AM
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I would say that women's freedom in sexuality in combination with that sort of reversal of gender performance is what made it stick around for women. As someone who was considered metrosexual when the term was around, there was also an incredible amount of homophobia around it, even when the word was regarding straight men. It also didn't help the term did have "sexual" implying a difference in sexuality and not just gender presentation.
/r/LeftWingMaleAdvocates30/11/21 02:14 AM
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Ya. There is really no equivalent category for males as the "tom-boy" category for females. Femboy would like to have a word with you.
/r/LeftWingMaleAdvocates30/11/21 02:12 AM
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I'd like to switch to 'toxic masculine expectations' and 'toxic feminine expectations' as separate things under 'toxic gender expectations', which is a separate thing from internalized misandry/misogyny At least I'm not the only one in this thread.
/r/LeftWingMaleAdvocates27/11/21 08:54 AM
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Yes. Machismo and Toxic Masculinity are often the same thing. Saying someone's machismo is getting in the way of positive health outcomes is not victim blaming. What are they a victim of? Machismo? If a girl starves herself and those behaviors are detrimental to her well-being is identifying the social pressures of anorexia victim blaming? Calling out machismo doesn't negate that society might be telling him he ought to act that way. what's the culprit, Toxic Femininity, or Internalized Misogyny…
/r/LeftWingMaleAdvocates27/11/21 08:41 AM
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I can agree with you that words can change over time, and there is utility in engaging people where they are, in terms they understand. Lazy might be passing too much judgment, but if you're admitting that those people "haven't got a clue what it actually means" I don't see why they get to set the standard, or why someone who seeks to educate would welcome such ignorance as a starting point to their argument towards an audience who I deeply hope is more informed than that. ___ This infographic l…
/r/LeftWingMaleAdvocates27/11/21 05:29 AM
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What is "traditional masculine performance" defined as? Not seeking therapy? Where did that come about to be a traditional masculine practice? I'm genuinely curious about this, because I have seen a lot of gender roles but the therapy one doesn't really resonate with me or my experiences, or anything I have read in a historical context. I am referring to one of the "traditionally masculine traits" that exists under the body of "toxic masculinity". Here is just a quick Google search result - I do…
/r/LeftWingMaleAdvocates27/11/21 03:25 AM
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There doesn't have to be [a mirror version] Then how can it be a "comparitive analogy"? The gender based issues men and women face are hardly the same. I'm not saying they have to be the same. I'm saying men not seeing help as it relates to "toxic masculinity" is informed by traditional masculine performance that's ultimately harmful to them or others. Women being silent on their trauma does not work through that same mechanism of performative identity. Men enforcing sexism upon men and women en…
/r/LeftWingMaleAdvocates27/11/21 02:45 AM
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The reason why men's lack of help seeking is blamed on toxic masculinity and not. Internalized misandry is because research has shown it to be a gendered response to their gender identity/performance. "Real Men don't go to therapy" There's no mirror version for women for being silent on their gendered trauma. And those who choose to be silent are not doing so in way to perform their femininity. "Real women are silent" is not something I've heard. I think "toxic feminity" could be discussed in te…
/r/LeftWingMaleAdvocates27/11/21 12:57 AM
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This is not substantiated information
/r/LeftWingMaleAdvocates21/11/21 05:40 PM
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Whatever that tortuous sentence means, the outcome is this: The US Gross National Income (GNI) per capita is $63,826. From this, the Development Report Office estimated\ that GNI per capita of men and women is $77,338 and $50,590 respectively. Let that sink. I'm gonna stop right there. This is very "just think about it", the part you just quoted stated: estimates based on female and male shares of the economically active population, the ratio of the female to male wage in all sectors It reads to…
/r/LeftWingMaleAdvocates21/11/21 05:37 PM
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How much of mental health resources being accessed by women is attributed to women being more likely to seek help in the first place?
/r/LeftWingMaleAdvocates17/11/21 05:19 AM
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And want I said was that slide from all that I've seen has been particularly at odds with the rest of what he's produced. So I don't see it being justified as "his style" His approach has been to stick to the numbers to illuminate information not seen by others.
/r/LeftWingMaleAdvocates24/10/21 03:45 PM
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Calling it tacky is way more mollifying than I think it deserves Then be sure to tell him to ramp it up. I disagree.
/r/LeftWingMaleAdvocates24/10/21 03:38 PM
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The point that something else may be insultive doesn't make something else not. I said it's not going to win anyone over, you said maybe they arent winnable. I don't think the people who need winning over are going to think "you know what's more insultive than this? How men are being treated". And personally, I don't agree with justifying stooping down because of someone else's behavior.
/r/LeftWingMaleAdvocates24/10/21 03:24 PM
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There is a clear line between misinformation and someone being "wrong."
/r/LeftWingMaleAdvocates24/10/21 03:09 PM
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then maybe you're beyond winning over... Are you serious? Why are you treating me like I'm not here in good faith?
/r/LeftWingMaleAdvocates23/10/21 04:00 AM
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What are you really trying to say? Exactly that. we don't care about your tacky merch... It's passive aggressive. It's plain insultive. And it's not going to win anyone over. And it's the only one of all his sets I've seen he's taken such a tone.
/r/LeftWingMaleAdvocates23/10/21 12:22 AM
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Gets pretty passive aggressive there at the end.
/r/LeftWingMaleAdvocates22/10/21 04:17 PM
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Okay, in the case of reporting it just ends there. Much of the debate I've heard deals with the notion of deliberate and malicious accusations. I understand your comment did not make such a distinction.
/r/LeftWingMaleAdvocates22/10/21 02:44 AM
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15% of the reported instances "didn't meet the criteria to qualify as sexual assault" which is an interesting way of saying those allegations were false too. Again, not necessarily. There could have been something unwanted, genuinely thought to have been sexual harassment and reported therefore.
/r/LeftWingMaleAdvocates22/10/21 02:15 AM
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Facebook enters the chat. Reputation is not the first factor in a lot of investors minds.
/r/LeftWingMaleAdvocates21/10/21 06:47 AM
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Well besides the medium of the phone. It's the timing. If you want to watch porn, who decide the time and place. You get a snap - it can be in the middle of the day. You could be on lunch break and so are they — relating to real time. Some people hang out when they're bored through open links on social media, streaming while drawing digitally, chatting on discord, live streaming while putting on makeup and it's just drop-in drop out. Cam Model sends a message their online, it's similar to walkin…
/r/LeftWingMaleAdvocates20/10/21 10:22 PM
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B: The shareholders are still human and they don't want to feel bad. They are off course human. But that's a rather arbitrary and subjective threshold. They could invest in something else. But pick gambling for an array of reasons, either pure interest, or because it's well, lucrative.
/r/LeftWingMaleAdvocates20/10/21 10:18 PM
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although I don't quite see what you mean about Snapchat as, to the best of my knowledge, that's really more of an instant messaging platform which would tend to be used to communicate with people you actually know. It's common for people to sell access to their account through a contact sheet. You'd receive content, photos, as part of a subscription or one time feed. Because photos taken from a phone, as opposed to a webcam are more intimate they inflate the para social feelings. Many will also …
/r/LeftWingMaleAdvocates20/10/21 10:07 PM
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There are three well thought out and nuanced replies to this that come to a different conclusion than this simple exclamation.
/r/LeftWingMaleAdvocates20/10/21 09:10 PM
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But something like OnlyFans can really amp it up, to the point of actual explicit content, enhancing that sense of connection by providing something (which appears to be) intimate. It's a much more direct use of female sexuality to attract male attention. I know you're talking about (largely heterosexual) men and female sex workers by nature of the question. But I think it's important to distinguish that sites like only fans "directly using female sexuality and male attention" I don't beleive th…
/r/LeftWingMaleAdvocates20/10/21 09:08 PM
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I understand money is plentiful in the world, but it feels like those who truly have money to burn aren't looking on Twitch for their erotic content. We can never know about any particular anonymous users income, and maybe it would be less likely on a site like twitch, but there's plenty of reason for high rollers to drop that amount of cash, to be "known" to the model, part of a membership or fan club and all the para social relationship issues that arise. It simply could be disposal income, an…
/r/LeftWingMaleAdvocates20/10/21 08:59 PM
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He says, asking a rhetorical question...
/r/LeftWingMaleAdvocates15/10/21 05:33 AM
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This subreddit won't even let you name them
/r/LeftWingMaleAdvocates12/10/21 06:21 AM
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I can't answer why someone abused you. I think you should contact the press, you should contact a lawyer, Menslib is neither. And it's my personal opinion as a person that if you're going to name someone that it would be irresponsible for us to spearhead your case without vetting.
/r/LeftWingMaleAdvocates12/10/21 06:11 AM
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It is never appropriate for someone to be touched without their consent, to be sexually assaulted, regardless of the situation. This isn't a rocket science. What's with the quiz?
/r/LeftWingMaleAdvocates12/10/21 06:03 AM
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I have no reason not to believe you, and AFAIK you claim has never been dismissed by a mod. You even posted about it.
/r/LeftWingMaleAdvocates12/10/21 06:00 AM
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That mod hasn't replied. a third mod said it's a good lead - and I'm pretty sure her book as appeared on the sub before.
/r/LeftWingMaleAdvocates12/10/21 05:59 AM
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You've never disbelieved it. You even posted about it back then, I don't know what you're seeking from us in terms of an "official position". Men'slib is rape culture. Sure dude.
/r/LeftWingMaleAdvocates12/10/21 05:58 AM
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I don't see why Menslib would have a "official position" about your assult. Menslib official position on being a Mens sub is in the affirmative.
/r/LeftWingMaleAdvocates12/10/21 05:47 AM
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It's another mod who you talked to, I've already asked if anything came form it.
/r/LeftWingMaleAdvocates12/10/21 05:46 AM
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I offered to set you up with Emma Brown. You declined. The message that was returned to you. And I quote, was: We'll look into it.
/r/LeftWingMaleAdvocates12/10/21 05:25 AM
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You declined. Where did I, or even Menslib decline that? And that has nothing to do with the Duluth model.
/r/LeftWingMaleAdvocates12/10/21 04:48 AM
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At the end there you are saying your skin color gave you an advantage
/r/LeftWingMaleAdvocates10/10/21 06:27 AM
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I mean. It's entirely contextual isn't it? It's not any different than how we regard minorities. It's not difficult. Racial Minority? No. Religious Minority? Yes. It's not an either or situation.... It's both. Does being white the default grant certain privileges? Sure. Does being christian? Not as much - but it is still the default. What are they supposed to do once they figure out whether "the Jews are privledged white Americans" or not? If the purpose is the sole excercize of establishing a h…
/r/LeftWingMaleAdvocates10/10/21 12:12 AM
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And that's the reason why they found intersectionality to be useful. To literally include the people left out in the movement. The opposite of dividing. Edit: unless you mean to say that was their strategy but didn't work. Which should mean it continues to not work, in which case it's also not dividing.
/r/LeftWingMaleAdvocates09/10/21 11:31 PM
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As for the link, and your point about intersectionality only becoming a problem after a certain point, well this link proves that it can be a problem after just a single spilt. Intersectionality in demostic abuse would be the interplay of gender and how the abuse manifests or it treated with. Not, "there are male and female victims" ("In terms of being intersectional, as both sexes are victims") That's merely "inclusion". Second, she's not using intersectionality to defend women and thus their f…
/r/LeftWingMaleAdvocates09/10/21 11:27 PM
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People are apes and many want to hate someone or something so they instead of being honest about it seeks a rationale for unleashing the prime urges. No, I'm suggesting that people that want a reason to hate will pick up anything that sounds innocent and use it as a weapon. Ah Gotcha. I got it. Thanks.
/r/LeftWingMaleAdvocates09/10/21 10:46 PM
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'Gay' rights & support will not generally advocate for a straight man on straight issues. Yes. I don't understand your use of quotes. Even still here. I edited in an example, to be fair you may have started replying before I did so I'll remove it and add it here.https://twitter.com/Pennybabe2001/status/1446541846726029312 Yeah. That's self interest. But not really criticism of intersectionality. I was stating that under the idea of Intersectionality it encourages fragmentation of groups. But it …
/r/LeftWingMaleAdvocates09/10/21 10:40 PM
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Therefore he 'needs' his own advocacy etc. I'm not sure I really agree with that phrasing, or how particular awareness to an intersectional issue is actually more harmful to the group. 2 major parties, but virtually no-one agrees 100% with their policies, so they vote for the lesser of 2 evils. It's the compromise we make to have strong arguments. I also think this is a bad comparison because out two party system is broken, and and we don't get strong arguments are honestly, compromise. The stat…
/r/LeftWingMaleAdvocates09/10/21 10:10 PM
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Ah. Gotcha.
/r/LeftWingMaleAdvocates09/10/21 09:49 PM
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Are you suggesting that intersectionality is a right-wing idea and is inherently hateful?
/r/LeftWingMaleAdvocates09/10/21 09:36 PM
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Even if you feel intersectionality is divisive. You can't "divide and conquer" a group that by your own quotes was never included in the whole...
/r/LeftWingMaleAdvocates09/10/21 09:35 PM
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That's a bad analogy. And a complete misunderstanding of what intersectionality even is. Intersectionality is not dividing. It's literally about the instersection A chocolate cake with strawberries tastes different than a vanilla cake with strawberries. And both taste different than one with additional frosting. Men, Black Men, White Gay Men, and Black Gay Men all have different experiences, understanding and stereotypes made about them or masculinity that are distinct and operate in different w…
/r/LeftWingMaleAdvocates09/10/21 09:31 PM
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I fail to understand how you can label posts about S.A as low-effort Because that's not what's happening. And it seems he's even deleted them off his own profile. Here's just two examples. https://imgur.com/a/6iRcMn5 Unrelated to his latest episode.
/r/LeftWingMaleAdvocates09/10/21 04:54 PM
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OP has a history of submitting and having low effort posts removed. The reason there isn't a comment in his history after that post is because he's been sending trolling mod mail messages and when then ended up throwing a fit with several different mods in mod mail.
/r/LeftWingMaleAdvocates08/10/21 08:24 PM
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Menslib does not endorse the Duluth Model.
/r/LeftWingMaleAdvocates08/10/21 08:16 PM
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I said no. And the other user wanted a reason. And all it has is proven that there's no reason to continue the argument.
/r/LeftWingMaleAdvocates04/10/21 04:04 PM
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https://www.reddit.com/r/LeftWingMaleAdvocates/comments/eqyknx/going_to_the_womens_march_yesterday_only/ff33fj4/?context=1 https://www.reddit.com/r/MensLib/comments/epyzpo/weekly_free_talk_friday_thread/fenps8o/.
/r/LeftWingMaleAdvocates04/10/21 01:59 PM
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Great. But don't think your experience applies to everyone else.
/r/LeftWingMaleAdvocates04/10/21 06:39 AM
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I suppose you never pick a shirt simply because you like it, then do you?
/r/LeftWingMaleAdvocates04/10/21 06:36 AM
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If all you want is to have a one night stand with someone I don't understand the level of attention being paid to how the bill is split. People in this thread are talking about the value misalignment between men and women on dates and paying, but then say values (self expression) aren't important because some men just want sex. Yeah, of course different people want different things.
/r/LeftWingMaleAdvocates04/10/21 06:34 AM
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Expressing yourself is not just what you wear when no one's looking.
/r/LeftWingMaleAdvocates04/10/21 06:11 AM
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Then you shoulve specified that you meant attire, rather than a term as vague as "expressing yourself." We're talking about makeup. That was clear. You made it about shitty behavior. There's no ability for me to be more specific if you just go off on your own.
/r/LeftWingMaleAdvocates04/10/21 06:09 AM
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The topic is about the ability to enhance your looks in order to attract potential partners. This is therefore a non-sequitur. What good is a "potential partner" if you can't even agree on self-expression??
/r/LeftWingMaleAdvocates04/10/21 05:57 AM
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eye liner or shadow is weird on a guy. And that's why "guyliner" was never a thing right?
/r/LeftWingMaleAdvocates04/10/21 05:54 AM
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So you really think all these guys in magazines and on TV don't wear makeup? a false and nonsensical binary. The only false binary here is yours in that men can't wear makeup to improve their looks. accept their behavior, regardless of valid concerns? Manipulative abusers. come on. "expressing yourself" isn't being rude to the wait staff. It's wearing floral print, nice kicks, or idk, makeup. I think you're also assuming the only reason a women puts on makeup is for the man, and to increase her …
/r/LeftWingMaleAdvocates04/10/21 05:47 AM
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but its not like they can use eye liner or shadow. Yes they can. If they want to they can, and if their date doesn't like it then it's a bad match. And no, a woman isnt a bad date just because she doesnt want a man wearing eye liner. Anyone who isn't willing for their partner to express themselves however they are or want to be is a bad date. (Maybe not a bad date in the sense you can't have fun while out — but as in that relationship is a bad match long term). Either way, a womans ability to en…
/r/LeftWingMaleAdvocates04/10/21 05:37 AM
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but here's my reason is because a lot of people i've seen who call themselves by the latter are usually TradCons. His flair is "right wing guest"
/r/LeftWingMaleAdvocates04/10/21 05:34 AM
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Your concerns about financial abortion can happen after the fact with reforms in the court of child support if you want.
/r/LeftWingMaleAdvocates04/10/21 05:32 AM
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Their looks would be enhanced. You're saying their likelhood of landing a second date isn't. If your date has an issue with you wearing makeup then it's not a good date anyways! It's a moot point, you don't want a second date.
/r/LeftWingMaleAdvocates04/10/21 05:28 AM
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It's just as arbitrary as saying that since I ask a friend out to eat with me for lunch I should also pay for the cost of the entire meal because I initiated the encounter. That would be a really nice thing to do. And if you wanted to develop a stronger friendship, you know, like you would with a potential date, then it's a great move. If he chooses not to reciprocate in the future, that's okay, if he insists he'll pay his share, that's okay. You guys act as if relationships need to be like an A…
/r/LeftWingMaleAdvocates04/10/21 05:26 AM
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Sounds like a perfect opportunity to address a sexist double standard then.
/r/LeftWingMaleAdvocates04/10/21 05:21 AM
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No thats not what I mean because its not just about her body. When it comes to a women's right to choose is has everything to do with her body. Your concerns about financial abortion can happen after the fact with reforms in the court of child support if you want.
/r/LeftWingMaleAdvocates04/10/21 05:17 AM
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There is absolutely no point in arguing that point. Starting with simply health, A pregnancy effects the woman, and the consequences of pregnancy or even abortion the risk is on herself. What you mean when you say is that men are at more "risk" is strictly the risk they aren't concidered in the choices she makes about her body.
/r/LeftWingMaleAdvocates04/10/21 05:02 AM
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. No, men carry far more risk with sex. No. Just no. Men's can't do much to boost their looks Men can also wear makeup and boost their looks in a dozen other ways the same as women.
/r/LeftWingMaleAdvocates04/10/21 04:55 AM
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And really, even if the expectation is to pay since you initiatived if you're unwilling/uncomfortable just Be willing to communicate that. If a girl throws a fit over that ask then congratulations, you know it's not gonna work out. And quite frankly, that one meal might have saved you money on the longer run. But that doesn't mean the expectation that the one making the offer shouldn't be the one with first expectation to pay for it. You're literally forcing equal outcome at that point.
/r/LeftWingMaleAdvocates04/10/21 04:52 AM
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The first was used in black power movements long before BLM.
/r/AntiFeminists03/10/21 04:57 AM
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Across meanings it means solidarity. The sickle is a much more direct symbol to communism. You'll even see the meanings outlines on the Wikipedia page For example, a hammer and sickle combined with a raised right fist is part of communist symbolism, while the same right fist combined with a Venus symbol represents Feminism
/r/AntiFeminists03/10/21 04:56 AM
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And missing the often stiff and innegotiable payments can result in jail time. And I've already stated I'm all for reform. And I'm not talking about the case of rape. I don't think men can/should unilaterally decide to "financially abort" a child they did not want to have but their reproductive partner chose to keep. Here I'm assuming "men's autonomy" is referring to bodily autonamy where he's obligated to work to make money to give to someone else? Or do you mean his freedom to decide for himse…
/r/LeftWingMaleAdvocates25/09/21 06:34 PM
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And this is why we have male rape victims being forced to pay child support to their rapists. I obviously don't support that, and a court could easily make that distinction.
/r/LeftWingMaleAdvocates25/09/21 06:05 PM
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Fwiw. I find the argument for women's bodily autonamy, and then the interests of the child to he more compelling than the man's ability to forgo economic responsibility. I'm not daft that there's isn't an imbalance in that opinion. An equal society is not inherently one where everyone is free to do whatever. And I don't really find the argument that it's the same as telling men to buck it up with responsibility akin to telling women to keep their legs closed. There is an inherent risk in any sex…
/r/LeftWingMaleAdvocates25/09/21 02:06 AM
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What first comes to mind in Biological Essentialism, as the other user mentioned. And circumcision has heavy limitations. But tend to go forward with a sticky outline the boundaries for discussion. Which is similar to discussions about abortion, and financial abortion. Both circumcision and abortion can be discussed. But there are uncrossable boundaries.
/r/LeftWingMaleAdvocates25/09/21 01:08 AM
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Oh fuck, it was a crosapost and it took me through it.
/r/LeftWingMaleAdvocates24/09/21 10:32 PM
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This one? https://www.reddit.com/r/Egalitarianism/comments/ps5don/an_open_letter_to_menslib_is_going_around_i/ I don't see a mod.
/r/LeftWingMaleAdvocates24/09/21 09:39 PM
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Can't seem to find the thread. What was the mod?
/r/LeftWingMaleAdvocates24/09/21 09:23 PM
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Where was this?
/r/LeftWingMaleAdvocates24/09/21 08:56 PM
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It's the only specific topic of discussion that is explicitly forbidden on the sub. That's not true.
/r/LeftWingMaleAdvocates24/09/21 08:54 PM
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There is a meaningful difference in saying someone is worthless and that this relationship isn't worth it.
/r/AntiFeminists11/09/21 05:43 PM
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There is a meaningful difference in saying someone is worthless and that this relationship isn't worth it.
/r/AntiFeminists11/09/21 05:42 PM
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Knowing ones own worth can be useful. Such as being worth something at all. We can all evaluate if something or someone is "worth it". It being the operative word. The person not worth "it", is still worth something and possibly more to someone else. Anyone using terms like "High Value" they start viewing relationships as too economic, beyond the obvious flags of being pilled by some online ideology. It's the difft between evaluating the condition or circumstances and the instrinsic with of anot…
/r/AntiFeminists11/09/21 04:50 PM
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in a way men are considered to be without-gender. Huh? How?
/r/LeftWingMaleAdvocates10/09/21 05:17 PM
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I just think that if you're going to talk about privilege you ought to understand it's not towards everything. Being the "default" even still doesn't mean "the world caters to you always and completely". Still, ignore anyone who minimizes the real problems you face.
/r/LeftWingMaleAdvocates09/09/21 02:53 PM
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I don't think men being an assumed default and not being able to access therapy are mutually exclusive.
/r/LeftWingMaleAdvocates09/09/21 02:06 PM
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I mean, it's not like LWMA prefers moderation over free speech either. It was founded on the premise that other left wing spaces for men were feminist and overly censorious. And the moderation team actively opposed stricter moderation. After the first year they wizened up some and may do more moderation then men's rights does but I still feel free speech comes before moderation here as well.
/r/LeftWingMaleAdvocates01/09/21 04:04 PM
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I'm saying in ops analysis the difference seems to be men are doing too much and women are doing none.
/r/LeftWingMaleAdvocates28/08/21 04:26 PM
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The other user just described an array of options. Many of them are not full size dolls and are not cost prohibitive.
/r/LeftWingMaleAdvocates27/08/21 10:27 PM
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I'm not going to argue there isn't more focus on girls side when it comes to toys, and the consumer market is probably also directing that. So a lot of that disparity (I don't see it a double standard) comes from culture, perpetuating by people all across the board. But I don't really think "troll-like... Deviant... Danger to to the public" is anywhere near reality. You're far more likely to find people implying homosexuality, feminization, or lack of manliness. (And only the most extreme bigots…
/r/LeftWingMaleAdvocates27/08/21 10:26 PM
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Women who up until now just manipulated men with their bodies then have to bring in something else. Preferring a cheaper (cost and time and effort) method to sexual stimulus that doesn't require the needs of human social relationships is a conclusion someone can have. This is a situation where the man is either working extra hard, or receiving to little sex for his work, to his own definition of what ought to be sufficient. Or he just doesn't desire the aspects that come with a relationship of a…
/r/LeftWingMaleAdvocates27/08/21 10:21 PM
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Maybe it's the way it's worded? It can be read that "I personally think one sex is better, but the law shouldn't". To me, "differences" as mentioned by you doesn't mean unequal.
/r/LeftWingMaleAdvocates17/08/21 08:34 PM
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I don't believe men and women to be "equal" such as it is but I do believe for the purposes of the legal system we must be treated as such. Huh? Equality as a legal fiction?
/r/LeftWingMaleAdvocates17/08/21 07:08 PM
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Those two women, on LinkedIn, are entirely unrecognizable to me. And I would never associate with someone who spoke like that. It doesn't matter how many people share their opinion. I don't care about it. There are men for her, and there are other women for me. And FWIW, I dont here opinions like that often. They're nuts.
/r/LeftWingMaleAdvocates15/08/21 03:59 AM
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What I see is different women having different tastes in men. And sure, all these women I think take it a bit too personally how other men choose to live. The first linkedin comment: We are simply a product of nature. You ever notice the happier marriages are usually ones that still have “traditional” gender roles? What? Divorce happens when traditional roles aren't adhered to? I'm sorry. This is not a person worth listening to. And says I’d much rather find a guy who can change my tires, chop m…
/r/LeftWingMaleAdvocates15/08/21 12:41 AM
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Not sure how you would calculate that though... You would give them different weights. Comparing "opportunity" to "outcome"
/r/AntiFeminists12/08/21 04:39 PM
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Where did you hear about it? There isn't really any review. I have a hard time beleive the solid 5 stars from 7 people in Amazon aren't somehow related to the author.
/r/LeftWingMaleAdvocates10/08/21 12:39 AM
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I thought the amount of identified feminists would be a good signal but they report a higher percentage than the general pop so.
/r/LeftWingMaleAdvocates10/08/21 12:38 AM
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I actually did some more digging before your comment. https://www.reddit.com/r/LeftWingMaleAdvocates/comments/p15wh4/slug/h8cogqn I'm not able to parse how biased their Twitter followers may be but it does seem they are at least in the surface a broad facing org. But one person could easily share it to biased network of theirs and skew the results.
/r/LeftWingMaleAdvocates10/08/21 12:24 AM
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Where was this survey taken? Seems like a good chance to have a selection bias with such a small pool.... Participants were recruited via social media, with the initial post on the Male Psychology Network Twitter account being subsequently shared more widely I don't really think that's a great look. This is what the report has to say, The starting point for recruitment was the Male Psychology Network social media, which might tend to attract participants who are positively disposed to masculinit…
/r/LeftWingMaleAdvocates10/08/21 12:20 AM
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Venting in private among friends is perfectly fine and healthy even if you make sweeping, totally unsupportable, generalizations and leave out all nuance. If a woman just had a fight with her boyfriend, I totally understand her going to her friends and declaring that "all men are pigs" and all of her friends enthusiastically agreeing. Lol I'm not. there are calls to police men's private speech. "Locker-room talk" had to be destroyed and men were called on to shut down other men when it happened …
/r/LeftWingMaleAdvocates26/07/21 05:38 AM
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I agree. I'm just trying to demonstrate that they aren't being treated with their full humanity.
/r/LeftWingMaleAdvocates10/07/21 09:03 PM
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I think when one person ends up feeling used it is because there is a misalignment of interests. Yes. One party wants an intimate connection, the other wants a piece of warm flesh - to say so crudely. One party wants to be seen multi-faceted as a full extent of their humanity and the other has reduced them to a single aspect. There's 2 subtilties in being "used". One is being taken advantage of / tricked. The other is being discarded, discounted as just a tool, an object / obstacle to get what s…
/r/LeftWingMaleAdvocates10/07/21 06:48 PM
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there could be nothing more humanity-affirming than someone noticing/appreciating my sexuality ... especially if they don’t care about anything else about me. And that's your experience and others I'm sure feel similarly, man or woman. The other user feels differently and you're telling him he's making it up. I find that if appreciation or desire of my sexuality is contingent upon other facts about me Contingent sounds rather strong. I think most people can seperate the two. - This person looks …
/r/LeftWingMaleAdvocates10/07/21 04:04 PM
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There is no such thing as sexual objectification. It is an Orwellian oxymoron Stand-up comedians don’t typically complain that people who pay just to come to watch them on stage and laugh at their jokes, and don’t see them as anything but a comedian in that context, but somehow we have allowed that attitude to infect sex, and make the whole thing a lot more sensitive and repressive for people. This analogy only works if the person who's being sexually objectified is on a stage, or being some for…
/r/LeftWingMaleAdvocates10/07/21 08:07 AM
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Penetrating = dominant = masculine = good Being penetrated = submissive = feminine = bad So mysogyny.
/r/LeftWingMaleAdvocates02/07/21 12:28 AM
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As a moderator on this site I can guarantee people will send mail about how the removal of any post, no matter it's contents, are against free speech and is censorship.
/r/LeftWingMaleAdvocates24/05/20 04:34 PM
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I mean there's was, and really still is, a pretty big divide amongst Feminist factions when it comes to Monica Lewinsky.
/r/LeftWingMaleAdvocates23/05/20 06:19 AM
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When this is issue was first raised. Yeah idk, I've been in many of those conversations since this sub was founded, maybe the first time a mod was on the side of having the rule? 11 days ago Forget said 3 months ago "he spoke to the other mods" and was "unanimously opposed". That's where the quote comes form. I don't know why he would link me to that rather than the original conversation (unless of course you're right and his characterization is not accurate) when there's another public thread t…
/r/LeftWingMaleAdvocates18/05/20 04:24 PM
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He linked to it above. What I quoted are his exact words about his interactions. Edit; I see you're talking about 3 months from that comment 3 weeks ago. Don't know. I would like to say I can trust a mods words. The impression I got was this was in ModMail.
/r/LeftWingMaleAdvocates18/05/20 04:03 PM
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What that was the response to was: "But the answer I essentially got was that we didn't want to alienate people by looking censorius" It doesn't matter the reason if this is the concern. I guarentee you that users do not do a good job distinguishing what's effective moderation and what's censorship. They don't do a good job understanding that when a post is removed because of it's 'type/medium' that also expresses an opinion that they aren't being silenced for that opinion. Posts/comments get re…
/r/LeftWingMaleAdvocates18/05/20 03:43 PM
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Not the only one who agrees in the thread. Oh thank f**k. I can't stand going there anymore because of its needless cluttering of rage bait.
/r/LeftWingMaleAdvocates18/05/20 03:30 AM
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And the whole point comes back to this. You're not talking about the core issues. You're treating men as if they are the problem. And you think we are shaming men for their sexuality? I get the perspective that it looks like men being told men need to do better. I've hashed out out here a dozen times. What else are men going to talk about besides how to improve themselves? It's a project we've all signed on to. If you're not willing to entertain that there's more to do personally or that the onl…
/r/LeftWingMaleAdvocates18/05/20 02:25 AM
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To continue with another few chunks of that article. Look man. I'm not here to talk about starcodex or the merits of what somebody posted three years ago. And I'm not here to relitigate what mods did before me. But you were not banned for providing solutions. 2 years ago you said to us you were a reformed "nice guy", definition of an incel, and saw good things in both Red Pill and PUA communities. I'm not surprised at all you didn't fit in with Menslibs perspectives. 2020 you had sex for the fir…
/r/LeftWingMaleAdvocates18/05/20 12:21 AM
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This whole thing is a tangent and you're suggesting we don't talk about any of that at all. Let's talk about what that article mentions. And that's the problem of shaming male sexuality. Instead of saying men need to do better. Here's one literally called Shame, Self-Loathing and Male Sexuality., sure it's a old one though. These conversations are not off limits. The reason I was banned: As far as I can tell you were banned over several submissions continuing to fail to understand what privilege…
/r/LeftWingMaleAdvocates17/05/20 11:40 PM
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It's conciousness raising. It's about self improvement. It's we want to do better.
/r/LeftWingMaleAdvocates17/05/20 10:16 PM
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Proposal 2: Ban any woman type rants... basically this is very rare anyway... but see above, tell them to go elsehwhere. Don't be a censor forum, but tell them to go elsewhere. It'll still be read as censorship. This is reddit. Don't be daft. Proposal 3: Bring the focus to mens rights!!! Forget feminism etc. I've said this too many times to count in this subreddit. Don't hold your breath.
/r/LeftWingMaleAdvocates17/05/20 08:34 PM
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What we could try to do. What would be a better option. This sounds a lot like "solutions oriented", something else MensLib gets laughed at for here
/r/LeftWingMaleAdvocates17/05/20 08:27 PM
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I'm no longer subbed here either despite checking in here and there. Some of the users who stand by you on this, /u/Forgetaboutthelonely, aren't even subscribers. Reflect on that with who and what type of person this sub actually encourages under their "big tent". Consider in this thread that the Misandry everyday subreddit reeks too much of MensRights where many of your users left as pilgrims to forge a new community. And his response was, yeah, I was going for that. These are communities made …
/r/LeftWingMaleAdvocates17/05/20 08:00 PM
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So why the change of heart? Or is this Announcement rogue? "But the answer I essentially got was that we didn't want to alienate people by looking censorius" I gotta say man, I'm pretty sure you held this position against me half a year ago on why I thought subs like this need guardrails. I was told there were too many people hurt with legitimate greivences unable to speak. I was told under explicit terms that this was MensLibs mortal sin outside of being pro-feminist. It's possible it was serpe…
/r/LeftWingMaleAdvocates17/05/20 07:48 PM
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I'm sorry, that's cryptic. Do you mean this rule is against your wishes? Or that the community made you do it?
/r/LeftWingMaleAdvocates17/05/20 07:20 PM
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I've recently (like, less than 24 hours ago) created a new sub to serve as a collection and repository for that kind of content: /r/everydaymisandry It's intended as a place where people can document all of that "ragebait" that they run into online and in real life, without clutting up the newsfeeds at places like here and mensrights. If you think that might be a useful adjunct to LeftWingMaleAdvocates, I could make a standalone post to direct more people that way. This thread is about how rage …
/r/LeftWingMaleAdvocates17/05/20 03:14 PM
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Glad it took a year for something to be done about it.
/r/LeftWingMaleAdvocates17/05/20 03:02 PM
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I'm a mod. I think I speak for it.
/r/LeftWingMaleAdvocates10/05/20 05:42 AM
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... liberating women will automatically liberate men. This even extends to feminist spaces that are supposedly male-oriented like r/MensLib Not true. We believe Men's Liberation is a project that has to come from ourselves. Feminism has done a good deal of work liberating women from things like gender roles or the social cost of behaving outside traditional expectations, something men are still lacking.
/r/LeftWingMaleAdvocates10/05/20 04:41 AM
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Not sure if you saw my store.
/r/LeftWingMaleAdvocates09/05/20 07:11 PM
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Sorry, this is an 8 day old thread on a 9 day old post and there's a new one on your frontpage about the same thing. I've already told others to give it up and move on, I'm not going any further into it.
/r/LeftWingMaleAdvocates05/05/20 11:05 PM
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you need to talk to the rest of us with some respect.
/r/LeftWingMaleAdvocates05/05/20 07:06 PM
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and what say you to the mods of LWMA?
/r/LeftWingMaleAdvocates05/05/20 06:39 PM
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you need to talk to the rest of us with some respect. ... You're literally an online janitor
/r/LeftWingMaleAdvocates05/05/20 06:24 PM
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So last week's call-out wasn't enough? You need to make a second thread a week later?
/r/LeftWingMaleAdvocates05/05/20 03:52 PM
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I can see you're still upset with a thread from last week. Congratulations on it completely derailing your thread. Your top comment already has nothing to do with prisons or South America. Edit: it's now the top post.
/r/LeftWingMaleAdvocates05/05/20 03:39 PM
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I ended up unsubscribing. I was around for the first 6 months. Then I unsubscribed and have been since. I've been back the past couple of days and just being more selective when I comment.
/r/LeftWingMaleAdvocates28/04/20 10:49 PM
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And the ones directing to gendercritical, femaledatingstrategy, askfeminists and yes, even MensLib. Or screenshots like this This sub has a triple split focus on anti-feminism, male advocacy, and becoming the selfawarewolves of misandry. Granted I imagine the large majority of people here feel that feminism and misandry are the biggest issues facing men, but I digress. /u/sedawkgrep and /u/peanutbutterjams have the right idea. It doesn't help when half of what drama is being stirred up have misc…
/r/LeftWingMaleAdvocates28/04/20 10:18 PM
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Being able to quote and link to my own posts is very helpful when arguing with the people I am "intending to serve" Just FYI, this is not the kind of linking I'm talking about.
/r/LeftWingMaleAdvocates28/04/20 09:42 PM
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I think over the past year I keep seeing more and more intra-reddit posts and cross-linking in this sub and I think that it mostly only serves to start drama and turns this place into one of those in-group reaction subs to other people's shitty opinions. Your rant here won't be heard by anyone it's intending to serve. They aren't here, and they aren't listening to you.
/r/LeftWingMaleAdvocates28/04/20 08:20 PM
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1: The abstract wholly rings true to what I've seen on the subject. 2: Although also about stigma, If we are talking policy, the NYT article is from 2014, so it is a little old. I did a write-up in January about the current state of Paid Family Leave, proposed legislation, and an overview of where the Dem candidates stood at the time. The Landscape on Paid Family & Medical Leave
/r/LeftWingMaleAdvocates27/04/20 08:43 PM
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I posted a thread the other day about a few new details. I'm not here to tell anyone who to beleive or how to feel. But I figured that if this allegation is going to be continue to be tracked by this community that another new article be included.
/r/LeftWingMaleAdvocates27/04/20 08:34 PM
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as is their right. Lol
/r/LeftWingMaleAdvocates27/04/20 03:12 PM
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Except your argument about getting a date out it is because she would meet up with them all at a restaurant. Leaving out that it's where they normally play. You haven't shown anything else indicating he's actually interested in the woman. I'm pointing out that there IS plenty of reasons for the invite. Maybe to play D&D and not to "get her to meet up". I'm not making a sweeping generalization about specific individuals in specific circumstances, you are. I'm only responding to the reason you gav…
/r/LeftWingMaleAdvocates27/04/20 03:11 PM
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Strawman? It's what you're saying, it's for that reason to invite her - it won't work - but that's the reason. And I'm blatantly lying?
/r/LeftWingMaleAdvocates27/04/20 02:29 PM
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This will not result in sex. But sad desperate socially awkward men (eg male feminists) have convinced themselves it will work. ಠ_ಠ the only reason to invite a girl into a in-person D&D game is to fuck her. Christ
/r/LeftWingMaleAdvocates27/04/20 01:55 PM
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Well if you're trying to make the case that the sub put him in his place No? I'm saying while I don't know if he has mixed motives, or whether he sees himself as a "savior" I personally agree with the sentiment that he should have reached out to the woman to see how she's feeling / was affected. And that hardly suggests that I would support a White Knight who did exactly that if we assume his motivations. And this is altogether a seperate issue than what is written in OP.
/r/LeftWingMaleAdvocates27/04/20 01:50 PM
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Okay. Please help me, because I must be fucking dense. The only reason to ... meeting her at a restaurant after desperately white knighting for her is... [Something] But it isn't sex, because ... There is no conversion rate of good-boy points to sex because it never happens. So what's the reason then? I'm a child. I need the answer spelled out. The fact that you don't see it suggests you're in the same boat. I'm happily in a long term relationship if you must know.
/r/LeftWingMaleAdvocates27/04/20 01:43 PM
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How was it established that he should have asked her. By another user who said he should have. Others said, while true, it's just as reasonable to report of he was made uncomfortable by the interaction himself. Did you admonish him on that front? I wasn't in the thread? Nor does my opinion require it to be written in response to him for it to be true?
/r/LeftWingMaleAdvocates27/04/20 01:41 PM
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the only reason to invite a girl into a in-person D&D game is to fuck her. Christ
/r/LeftWingMaleAdvocates27/04/20 01:28 PM
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Personally agreeing that you should talk to a perceived victim to see how they feel = supporting a White Knight who didn't care to ask a perceived victim how they feel. Okay... Anyone ever say you're good at trolling?
/r/LeftWingMaleAdvocates27/04/20 01:27 PM
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He did discuss wanting to meet up with her in person at a restaurant after this is over. So yeah.... Also not an accurate representation. This makes it sound like he's fishing for a date. They play the game IRL at a restaurant. But right now play over the web. This game was online. We all used to meet in person but with the quarantine we've joined a larger online community to play games. I reported him to the admins one of which also books our IRL games at a local restaurant. She's never visited…
/r/LeftWingMaleAdvocates27/04/20 01:24 PM
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Which would not be the problem stated by OP. And establishing that you should probably talk to the person is good advice, and is useful for folks to hear. Especially of you think MensLib is full of White Knights.......
/r/LeftWingMaleAdvocates27/04/20 01:17 PM
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Which would be a problem all together different than what is described in OP if true.
/r/LeftWingMaleAdvocates27/04/20 01:02 PM
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Why do all conversations have to cease because of a pandemic? Why can't multiple conversations be given their own space for those who want to talk about it?
/r/LeftWingMaleAdvocates26/04/20 11:44 PM
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I don't think I'm oversimplifying as much as am I simply an optimist
/r/LeftWingMaleAdvocates25/04/20 04:50 AM
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I'm not talking about a "return to normalcy" and I don't know why my comment was poorly received. I'm talking about the boomer aged politicians dying. Along with their perverted ideas about what's allowable at work / with their coworkers. "This shit" I'm reffering to is not the political system. It's everyone who's alive today that justifies sexual assault under the premise that times were different back then Mad Men style.
/r/LeftWingMaleAdvocates25/04/20 04:18 AM
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Perhaps I'm mistaken, but it sounds like you're saying men can do no wrong.
/r/LeftWingMaleAdvocates25/04/20 01:39 AM
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Wh ois the "you're" that you're referring to? Being an advocate for men doesn't mean defending men in all circumstances any more than "beleive all women". If you're going to be a male advocate, that's going to require internal policing. Not on who is a man, but what being a good man entails.
/r/LeftWingMaleAdvocates25/04/20 12:30 AM
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I plan on voting for Biden through my teeth. I voted for Sanders in the Primary, I would have been happy with a Warren presidency as well.
/r/LeftWingMaleAdvocates25/04/20 12:26 AM
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My hope is that this is the last election we have to deal with this shit. All those alive when "the times were different" will be dust and we can move on.
/r/LeftWingMaleAdvocates24/04/20 10:17 PM
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I think there's space for both. If that means you need to vote for a lesser rapist to get Trump out then that's what you do. I think as a voter people should come to terms with that decision on whatever side of the Biden Accusation you fall on rather than just ignore it because the other guy is worse.
/r/LeftWingMaleAdvocates24/04/20 09:48 PM
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So her brother backs her story? That's the big breakthrough? Pretty sure her brother was in the NYT piece. This is the bigger info. https://twitter.com/ryangrim/status/1253756644191809538?s=19
/r/LeftWingMaleAdvocates24/04/20 09:14 PM
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At some point people will need to stop complaining about feminism and do something. Me It's why I don't hang out here any more.
/r/LeftWingMaleAdvocates20/04/20 04:20 AM
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On one hand, I'm glad to see that this sort of comment is at least positive around these parts these days. On the other hand it pales in comparison to the overwhelming sentiment of the users here. I've tried this rallying cry before No. Unless you're intent is for this to be a drama-making hit piece on another sub rather than engaging with the actual merits of a men's issue. Your fight will be an uphill battle here.
/r/LeftWingMaleAdvocates20/04/20 04:17 AM
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If women can snap their fingers to put a man in jail, why can't a man snap his fingers to put a woman in jail? ≠ we could give everyone accused of a crime their due process rights including presumption of innocence.
/r/LeftWingMaleAdvocates13/04/20 06:40 PM
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Ah, Yes. True Equality.
/r/LeftWingMaleAdvocates13/04/20 06:26 PM
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Yeah I suppose it is, is there a politely term though? Not really, and it's not like the word is any less polite than your OP....
/r/LeftWingMaleAdvocates01/03/20 07:01 PM
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Indoctrination
/r/LeftWingMaleAdvocates01/03/20 06:52 PM
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The rest of us apolitical people think itś fucking hilarious. apolitical I nearly spit out my water about saying that after a tirade about someone else's (shitty) politics in a subreddit dedicated to political activity based around your gender as a man.
/r/LeftWingMaleAdvocates01/03/20 12:31 AM
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Yes, they are both 5'8"
/r/LeftWingMaleAdvocates24/02/20 03:37 AM
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So you say Bernie supporters are criticized because some of them are in league with Antifa? I'm not saying it's valid, but yes, the overlap with democratic socialism and anti-fascism is pretty well established.
/r/LeftWingMaleAdvocates21/02/20 05:12 AM
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You seem to be making a habit of underestimating me
/r/LeftWingMaleAdvocates21/02/20 05:07 AM
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I'm not saying it's the only crisis, or the only way authoritarianism can creep, bit I would say it's one of the most pressing and one of the most severe.
/r/LeftWingMaleAdvocates21/02/20 01:01 AM
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And her walk back on M4A until year 3 is what solidified me back on Bernie, bit that doesn't disqualify her for having a progressive platform just because it isn't as progressive as Bernie.
/r/LeftWingMaleAdvocates21/02/20 12:43 AM
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She was a republican until 1996, for fuck's sake. This isn't a Trump or Bloomberg situation, Warren's evolution of political views is one of the most transparent and genuine changes of a political candidate I can recall. I say as a Bernie supporter. It makes no sense for these tents to be at odds with another.
/r/LeftWingMaleAdvocates21/02/20 12:41 AM
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Where did I say ethno-state? Or that authoritarian rule would be successful in saving the planet? Most likely it'll just corrupt itself and fail, but the world will have collapsed in the meantime. Democracy is fragile. Climate Collapse will threaten that with the possibility of a rise in authoritarianism.
/r/LeftWingMaleAdvocates21/02/20 12:34 AM
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for the love of God we are not talking about Menslib today. While yes I did just criticice this sub, it's in context of the subject matter. That Bernie Bros is a misandrist narrative without justification held over from Clinton's "feminist" campaign to be the first female president that was only enabled by systemic internalized misandry and the anti-white rhetoric zeitgeist. Where instead (as much as this sub will complain about progressive purity tests and wokeness to the nth degree) actual Bro…
/r/LeftWingMaleAdvocates21/02/20 12:30 AM
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Well thanks. While it's the obvious purpose of this sub, I think too many people pop in here to say all the problems of this world are caused by feminism and misandry. You'll see a post maybe every week while being upvoted the comments are majorly in disagreement with the OP, and every week it's a different regular as they take a spin on the misandrist lense and see if it sticks.
/r/LeftWingMaleAdvocates20/02/20 11:45 PM
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I think that when the climate crisis becomes in-your-face irrefutable there'll be a lot of people vying for power. And I think it's absolutely possible for democracy to be over-run even to get "what must be done, done" and that has me legitimately concerned. I think it's incredibly important in that moment to not give into authoritarianism. It's one break point, one test, that yes can lead to quick surge of authoritarianism.
/r/LeftWingMaleAdvocates20/02/20 11:42 PM
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None of that is true in regards to me.
/r/LeftWingMaleAdvocates20/02/20 11:27 PM
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Who is my socially just ally? Who's the token centre-right minority? How am I refusing to fight back?
/r/LeftWingMaleAdvocates20/02/20 11:13 PM
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go and vote republican until you get your way. Get lost. You want eco-facism? Cause that's what you'll get when a R is in charge and the planet dies.
/r/LeftWingMaleAdvocates20/02/20 10:54 PM
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Your claims here aren't well substantiated. You're asserting opinion and buying into your own biases. This is also why they're claimed to be almost purely white men, since it's double effective in painting them as evil in leftist eyes. Politics has long been recognized as a "white man's sport", and this only becomes more evident when online on sites like Reddit. And it's not like there's isn't some point to these internet brigades. The Dirtbag Left moniker exists as a reason. There is an existin…
/r/LeftWingMaleAdvocates20/02/20 10:44 PM
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Excuse me for doing this, but this sounds suspiciously like saying to a woman: "Oh, you don't like being harassed when going outside? Well, then don't go outside." I think when it comes to self-esteem and healthy mental health people need to make affirmative choices. Twitter allows you to pick want you want to see and who to follow. The appropriate analogy to harassment on the street would be to be @ed at or by someone in your DMs, where you are target and their action unsolicited. To someone be…
/r/LeftWingMaleAdvocates17/02/20 08:21 PM
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Well I can only hope you find more supportive women in your life, shitty people are everywhere but it's never a reason denigrate and generalize.
/r/LeftWingMaleAdvocates17/02/20 08:17 PM
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So you think both men and women experience difficulty in restraining their sexual urges then?
/r/LeftWingMaleAdvocates17/02/20 08:15 PM
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My point is that if you are already a pariah, it does not matter either way. Then you're suggesting we should care about pariahs which is a tall order. How am I supposed to understand that? Become a feminist, then you will be exempt from all the "toxic masculinity" rants on Twitter? No, but if rants on Twitter is making you/someone feel like a pariah and therefore will behave badly because "why does it matter". They should get off Twitter. That's without deciding whether any particular criticism…
/r/LeftWingMaleAdvocates17/02/20 08:03 PM
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I would unfollow Rebecca. It's just noise.
/r/LeftWingMaleAdvocates17/02/20 07:46 PM
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I can appreciate the distinction you're trying to tease out but there a material reason why a poor person thieves. And the solution can be to raise them out of poverty more than telling them stealing is bad. The need for whatever was stolen, or money outweighs the deterrent of crime. At the end of the day, a man can masturbate, he can purchase a prostitute if he has the money. But I don't know what sexual urge exists that cannot be overcome to cat-call them on the street or whistle at them. And …
/r/LeftWingMaleAdvocates17/02/20 07:24 PM
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Some people were neglected as kids and never really taught how to become a part of society. Others feel isolated for others reasons, so they simply do not care. And if they transgress they are still held responsible. Which is why the above reads an excuse. Admonishment should be dealt with understanding and empathy, and therapy/education to get them back on track. The rules of our society sometimes go very much against the human impulses. The idea is that if you follow them anyway, you get somet…
/r/LeftWingMaleAdvocates17/02/20 07:02 PM
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but "winning gets me measurably useful things" What's shown in Realistic Conflict Theory is that even in an episode where you win, someone else winning more becomes intolerable to the point where it can be sabatoged so the other side doesn't win more. And limiting competition to "competing for ones individual wants/needs" is quite vague. Part of the problem that gets discussed in male hyper-competition is that things are made into competitions where they need not be. Where violence steps in as a…
/r/LeftWingMaleAdvocates17/02/20 06:50 PM
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I can only say you seem to be speaking from your own experience which is quite foreign. Men are absolutely concerned with status as much as women, between sneakerheads and Supreme there's a while class of men that use fashion as identity and status. It might not be as much as women but that's not because of their gender, it's because that's how they were targeted. When it comes to makeup that's even beginning to change. Part for freedom of expression but the same companies are also taking advant…
/r/LeftWingMaleAdvocates17/02/20 06:31 PM
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A lot of what is considered feminity today is literally aristocratic roles rather than gender role. Caring about beauty over all, not being practical (high heels, gravity defying hairdos), spending money like Hunger Games on cosmetics. It's rich fuck territory (meant to show off, between themselves, and to the plebs to differentiate from the plebs), not female. As if men also don't take care of their hair or have their own skin-care regime. They might not wear "impractical" high heels but they c…
/r/LeftWingMaleAdvocates17/02/20 05:58 PM
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Are you laughing because of...? This post is not excuse for bad behavior Sexual Harrassment is a natural male behavior.
/r/LeftWingMaleAdvocates17/02/20 05:53 PM
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RE: Competition in regards to Toxic Masculinity What I'm about to say has more to do with liberation as an ideology and looking at Eastern thought when compared to the west but plain competition requires a winner and a loser and often the goal is to win, full stop. Which can lead towards in-group favoritism which is inherrantly anti-egalitarian. When you look at some Eastern forms of competition the ying and yang are explicit. For one person to win, another must lose. And because of that require…
/r/LeftWingMaleAdvocates17/02/20 05:50 PM
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As other people have explained this is the trouble when buying into certain "biological essentials" and "evolutionary psychology". Particularly when it comes to comparing humans to other mammals in the animal kingdom. As you have mentioned. We are not dogs. We act well beyond the motives of instinct and live well beyond a raw and natural world. Particularly because we can ask "why"? And improve ourselves as a species by asking "is this good"?
/r/LeftWingMaleAdvocates17/02/20 05:43 PM
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I'm glad this is the top comment.
/r/LeftWingMaleAdvocates17/02/20 05:37 PM
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Breifly, I do agree with some of the facts. Different reporting about specific events, leaked audio, lawyers with intent to bend things in favor with their client all make this difficult. There is a conversation about reacting in forms of defense and then being twisted into being an equal abuser. There is a conversation about being an atypical victim. There is a conversation where cancel culture and outrage can just as easily switch sides as it was to pick the first side. I don't like the argume…
/r/LeftWingMaleAdvocates12/02/20 02:19 PM
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Why do some men who hate themselves or their gender wind up at our door? Because they don't want to be.
/r/LeftWingMaleAdvocates10/02/20 03:06 PM
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Overall, Heard totally dominates their recorded conversations, A couple out of 80 tapes that were surely picked for a reason. When Amber Heard's side have already exercised their judgement to use the court of public opinion against Johnny Depp, he deserves a defence in the same court of public opinion. Except I never did exercise judgment and and still won't. I do believe that those who currently seems to have gotten it wrong should be back in the conversation. If beleiving is based in evidence …
/r/LeftWingMaleAdvocates10/02/20 02:48 PM
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I saw the comment when it went up. I see someone expressing a feeling and people talking about it, seems like a healthy thing to do. And we don't have a clue where this opinion is being formed. And if anything MensLib is trying to help him have a positive outlook. We get far worse sorts and some even border on looking like a new breed of copypasta. Some people wallk through our doors for he first time already hating themselves and it has nothing to do with us, and often the communities they came…
/r/LeftWingMaleAdvocates10/02/20 02:30 PM
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I've talked about metoo before in this sub so you can just search for that. People need to realize that Men'slib stance is not radical feminism, and despite much of our userbase identify as feminist the fact they are there talking about men's issues should be a pretty clear indication of the difference of thought. Taking victims seriously would be to listen, beleive them, to look at what evidence might exist and potentially reserve judgement. You don't have to beleive them, but maybe don't work …
/r/LeftWingMaleAdvocates09/02/20 05:22 PM
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I totally disagree with your ideological reasons for why you and/or other MensLib moderators censored article(s) about Amber Heard for several days. We removed one because it was submitted by Drama and received 300+ upvotes without going live, then the link was shared here. The link at the top of this post came from Drama. Beyond that, and after the first post a few days before there have been zero submissions regarding Depp/Heard. Do you also believe the media should not write similar outrage p…
/r/LeftWingMaleAdvocates09/02/20 04:06 PM
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How does this prove its subjugation? I definitely don't agree with every tradition out there but everyone in the thread is saying OP is not the asshole and her reaction seems to be in part that she cheated on him and the engagement is off anyways. I also have no idea what his income is.
/r/LeftWingMaleAdvocates08/02/20 09:21 PM
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Likewise. I've dismissed the sub in the past as being fairly small (and were smaller at the time). Incredibly surprised to see them picked up by such a prominent paper.
/r/LeftWingMaleAdvocates08/02/20 09:15 PM
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No. I have not read this book nor have I ever promoted it.
/r/LeftWingMaleAdvocates08/02/20 08:11 PM
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We discussed it in our slack, I said we should be proactive. And as another user pointed out there was a post earlier this week. Idk anyone is particularly content with how it went down. I advocated for the original post to stay because it was clearly important to a lot of people. Unfortunately it didn't have the Handson attention it requires nor a particularly great framing. I think it's fair that we are often drama-averse, we get a lot of it even when there isn't a big media splash like this o…
/r/LeftWingMaleAdvocates07/02/20 06:47 PM
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It was brigaded and posted from Drama. There are explicit rules from linking and participating from other subs.
/r/LeftWingMaleAdvocates07/02/20 05:36 PM
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I'm not familiar with the organizations or the countries here. What's the affiliation with Duluth? They don't have a monopoly on shitty gendered practices.
/r/LeftWingMaleAdvocates03/02/20 03:49 AM
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Sure Downvoted for agreeing. Not surprised.
/r/LeftWingMaleAdvocates03/02/20 02:38 AM
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And now you're just quoting even less of what I said. After saying they would have to be convicted you linked me stats about pre-convictions in jails. Are you claiming that pre-trial detention doesn't count as incarceration if the sign says "jail"? No, I'm asking how does the Duluth Model relate to men being sent to prison. And you gave me some stats about jails. A man wrongly arrested under the DM is very likely to spend some time incarcerated. And I already said as much. But Police officers al…
/r/LeftWingMaleAdvocates03/02/20 02:18 AM
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You linked to info about jails. Not prison. Your hyperlink is misleading. This has more to do with the bail system than incarceration. It even says: "In the eight states where convicted people make up the majority of the jail population, that status is less likely to be the result of particularly enlightened bail policies, and more likely to be the result of the jails in that state renting large numbers of cells to the state prison system." Saying this isn't a total picture of who is behind bars…
/r/LeftWingMaleAdvocates03/02/20 01:36 AM
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I've never said they've vanished.
/r/LeftWingMaleAdvocates03/02/20 01:22 AM
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that is it's not what the model wound up doing, and the mod defending it is taking a "rules as written" approach Do have any information that directly links the duluth model with unwarrented incarceration of men? I've always seen it as more of a bias ("who's the aggressor", "men can't be victims") issue. For them to go to prison, they still have to be found guilty. Which means they also have to be convicted by a jury. I'd agree that there's probably a lot more overnights spent in jail by men who…
/r/LeftWingMaleAdvocates02/02/20 11:33 PM
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and "increasingly harsh" jail sentences for primary aggressors. It actually reads: "Jail sentences in which offenders receive increasingly harsh penalties for repeated acts of aggression" Immediately following an "evidence based trial". You're right that the original model wanted compulsory arrest for "primary aggressors".
/r/LeftWingMaleAdvocates02/02/20 11:14 PM
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Well arrest ≠ incarceration. Socialist Mod is correct in that they advocated for re-education and not punitive sentencing. It is likely to contribute to the assumption that the man is inherrantly the abuser but police are filled with biases about who isn't and is a threat. Which is why arrest versus incarcination is a really big distinction here. And even Duluth did not want incarceration, unless their crimes warrented it (edit: and they did advocate for harsher sentences for repeat offenders). …
/r/LeftWingMaleAdvocates02/02/20 11:10 PM
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I'm glad to see this subs opinion move over time on the relevancy of the Duluth Model. https://www.reddit.com/r/LeftWingMaleAdvocates/comments/ee6upq/australian_feminist_government_duluth_model/fbro8q7/ https://www.reddit.com/r/LeftWingMaleAdvocates/comments/d7upqi/feminism_is_a_religion_with_its_myths_of_creation/f16a48t/
/r/LeftWingMaleAdvocates02/02/20 11:04 PM
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I wouldn't call "make libido" for 3 reasons. Men have different libidos and plenty of men never behave in a way close to what you say. I reject it's the sex drive itself that creates this behavior. Unless the men making these comments receive sexual pleasure in their harassment. And if so, that's still only half the equation. It abdicates responsibilty and consequences of actions taken by the person.
/r/LeftWingMaleAdvocates29/01/20 12:30 AM
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I'm not going to provide much insight or analysis that the people behind this report aren't able to but... PISA also shows that in most countries excellence in education is apparent amongst some of the most disadvantaged students and schools. On average across OECD countries, one in ten disadvantaged students was able to score in the top quarter of reading performance in his or her country, indicating that disadvantage is not destiny This reminds me of deciding what makes a good school good, and…
/r/LeftWingMaleAdvocates27/01/20 04:13 PM
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This is a combination of various art billboards by artist Martin Firrell taken across several years from different series'. British, born Paris France. 1963, Martin Firrell is a French public artist who stimulates debate in public space to promote positive social change. He uses language to engage directly with the public with the aim of making the world more humane. His work has been summarised as 'art as debate'. The Power And Gender series consists of twelve digital billboards, exploring the …
/r/LeftWingMaleAdvocates27/01/20 05:00 AM
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Well it says that girls only very recently overtook boys.
/r/LeftWingMaleAdvocates27/01/20 03:56 AM
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Haven't found the reason after digging around for like 15 minutes. Going to Finnish subreddit might get a quick answer though.
/r/LeftWingMaleAdvocates27/01/20 02:53 AM
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PISA studies In Finnish society, the gap between male and female success in comprehensive schools has been a topic of discussion for decades. PISA (Programme for International Student Assessment) is a joint research programme of the OECD member states that assesses the proficiency of 15-year-old students in mathematics, natural sciences and reading at three-year intervals. In Finland, boys have traditionally fared better than girls in mathematics tests. Boys’ mathematical self-concept (concept o…
/r/LeftWingMaleAdvocates27/01/20 12:13 AM
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Thanks. I don't think it's fair for someone to complain about me not addressing the top line parts of the submission and then when asked if they are truly interested in what I have to say to just get a downvote instead. And for no one to reply "by all means" is enough evidence for me not to take the time. Like I'll seriously take the time but it shouldn't come to a surprise to anyone that I give myself a rate limit on my contributions here because it's not often worth the effort, particularly wh…
/r/LeftWingMaleAdvocates26/01/20 03:26 AM
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Yeah, that was already made clear to me by 5thLaw
/r/LeftWingMaleAdvocates26/01/20 12:14 AM
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That makes more sense.
/r/LeftWingMaleAdvocates25/01/20 11:10 PM
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I do agree but I want to talk about own line you said in particular. We don't compare Soldiers who died, with the ones who survived. I think what's closer is to look about how we talk about dead soldiers and those with PTSD, they are survivors after all. There's certainly more attention in treating the symptoms of war and trauma than stopping men and women from dying. There's other "reasons" why we make this compromise but we do treat survivors differently in some important ways.
/r/LeftWingMaleAdvocates25/01/20 10:45 PM
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Women who attempt suicide get an outpouring of support. Men who attempt suicide are viewed as broken and a threat to themselves and others. Well in this situation the attempt has already happened. So the question of "how do we make attempts less permanent" becomes a serious consideration. But I do agree that the different existing support networks for each gender is important. When I was a kid I had a friend talking like that, I got two of my other guy friends and we all got on out bikes and had…
/r/LeftWingMaleAdvocates25/01/20 09:17 PM
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"Men commit suicide more often, but women attempt suicide more often." Imagine being so callous towards men, that when someone points out the fact that men kill themselves at a higher rate than women, you have the audacity to counter argue that men don't attempt to kill themselves more often than women. While I do think it's a secondary consideration, and the mistake is making it the first, but is it not reasonable to ask why young men tend to reach for a gun and young girls tend to commit suici…
/r/LeftWingMaleAdvocates25/01/20 08:18 PM
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The majority of the most upvoted non-feminist responses at the top of the thread give me hope that the tide is shifting in our favor, Well it's hard to ignore that this sub (most subs are) is self-selecting.
/r/LeftWingMaleAdvocates25/01/20 08:16 PM
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The reasons might be uncharitable (which I think is what you're responding to) but that women lack the effectiveness of suicide is well documented. Iirc one factor is the men prefer to use firearms which is more permanent than say an overdose on drugs.
/r/LeftWingMaleAdvocates25/01/20 08:13 PM
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It is cleary a response and if you ask any of them they would say they're feminists. Alright, I don't represent them? O gave you what I thought. Would you be ok with dudes in menslib linking askwomen and mansplaining that what those women are saying isn't right and only men really know what women want? Probably not based in your framing because we don't do drama but it would depend on the context and how the submission was framed. There are some posts that have gone up that are "what do you thin…
/r/LeftWingMaleAdvocates25/01/20 07:52 PM
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Here you go; https://www.reddit.com/r/circlebroke2/comments/eti7ec/could_the_problem_be_toxic_masculinity_nah_its Like from the thread? This is another subreddit apparently dedicated to complaining. And I'd hardly call it talking over someone or "femsplaining" if you're giving advice in another room to yourselves. Do you think feminists should always listen to men on men's issues and not talk over them? You're from menslib. So presumably you'd say feminists should do whatever they want. I litera…
/r/LeftWingMaleAdvocates25/01/20 06:03 PM
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In summary it's full of men stating exactly what would help them get through depression/suicidal thoughts and feminists responding by talking over and ignoring them and femsplaining... Can you link to a response? Because I think this pretty clear what men are saying. Without specifics I will at least say it's neither the time nor place to be "reminding men of their priviledge" or asking them "not to forget women have it worse". It's not their space, nor their time to talk - they should listen, o…
/r/LeftWingMaleAdvocates25/01/20 05:27 PM
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Yes, the first example she notably also had to qualify with her own definition and then details "emotion work" as a subset (but based in that list she is not concerned with the service industry as the original emotional labor does), and the second it's the article that's actually making the comparison but I'll give it the benefit of the doubt for existing outside quotes. Still, its clear she's not even engaging in emotional labor charitably because men work in the service industry too even if th…
/r/LeftWingMaleAdvocates25/01/20 04:55 AM
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It is a cultural change, but politics such as paied maternal and paternal leave would help. I did a wrote up this just this week. but after the sticky in the thread of wealth Inequality I felt like I'd get a similar response because the gender equality part is just an annecdote.
/r/LeftWingMaleAdvocates25/01/20 03:39 AM
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Do you have a source for those breakdowns? I do think "and working a job" is doing a lot of work there. Which I understand is your point. Maybe both aren't sharing the home-life logistics but men are contributing in other unequal ways.
/r/LeftWingMaleAdvocates25/01/20 03:34 AM
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Why not address the actual content of the post? Because I'm actually at work, if you're interested in something more thought out I'm more than happy to sit down and take the time.
/r/LeftWingMaleAdvocates25/01/20 03:25 AM
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There's a difference between emotional labor in the workplace and the "emotional labor" that people talk about in these contexts. Yes. And plenty of Feminists get this wrong too. But if we're are going to he serious about the debate we can't be lazy.
/r/LeftWingMaleAdvocates25/01/20 03:05 AM
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No, I'm talking about the concept of steel-manning And continuing on SpudMix's Comment. If it becomes clear that you haven't even looked at its Wikipedia page, much less addressing the concept from it's source, your argument is weakened. I'm making no judgement on the content of your post, that is true, but if you actually intend to convince people on the other side you have to meet them on their terms otherwise you're self-defining and explaining on your own terms leaving the door open for actu…
/r/LeftWingMaleAdvocates25/01/20 02:55 AM
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I'm not sure if it was always called that ("toxic") It has. From Shepard Bliss of the MMM: There are many masculinities. Masculinity is not singular or monolithic. Masculinity varies from man to man, from family to family, and from culture to culture… Masculinity is a learned behavior and as such can be changed. Masculinities are made, not born. Toxic Masculinity poisons through means such as neglect, abuse and violence. Toxic Masculinity can be fatal to men, woman, children, and the Earth. Masc…
/r/LeftWingMaleAdvocates25/01/20 01:41 AM
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If your going to be engaging this seriously you should at least start from what they're actual terminology is. Particularly the distinction between emotional work and emotional labor. Labor is completely concerned with wage labor and is particularly if interest places like the service industry. Which mean even a male waiter falls under it's purview. Emotional Work, or sometimes, the "mental load" is the Feminist concept you're trying to explain here. https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Emotional_lab…
/r/LeftWingMaleAdvocates25/01/20 01:37 AM
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I think talking about multiple valid 'masculinities' is a good compromise between adhering to arbitrary gender roles and abolishing gender entirely for everyone. One critique I have of /r/MensLib discourse is that it focuses so much on rebelling against the so-called hegemonic 'traditional' or toxic masculinity that it almost seems to create a new gender role of its own: We hear this critique all the time even within our own community and is often a significant part of the discussione. So I even…
/r/LeftWingMaleAdvocates22/01/20 06:52 AM
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Power via position/authority
/r/LeftWingMaleAdvocates20/01/20 10:17 PM
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No, it explains why journalists might be less likely to talk about those candidates. They aren't activists, as much as progressive news outlets try to be. Like perhaps the reason the fact Warren is indeed a women is talked about because she's a frontrunner, and if Tulsi was a front runner she would actually receive the same attention, as well as similar attacks. People have finite attentions, journalists have finite time, campaigns have finite political capital to spend on attacks. Could a staff…
/r/LeftWingMaleAdvocates20/01/20 06:12 PM
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In fairness nobody talks about Tulsi because she's hardly a Democrat, isn't a serious contender like Warren and doesn't have anywhere near the "electability" argument of Klobuchar. And Vox has several articles critical of the Bernie / Warren feud, as well as confusion over the media's decision to roll with it, and a back and forth on what degree mysogyny helps or hurts a candidate. Did all the women supporting Hillary because she was a women and #imwithher outweigh the alleged electability hurdl…
/r/LeftWingMaleAdvocates20/01/20 05:58 PM
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https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Grievance_studies_affair Just read the Wikipedia article if you want to understand the full picture and why it actually matters. This article is a clickbait version of a rather serious affair, and in this community it deserves to be engaged with on a more serious note.
/r/LeftWingMaleAdvocates20/01/20 05:42 PM
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Yes...? Are you reading what I wrote? women have a privilege in being less likely to be incarcerated to the same degree and being let off the hook by a cop.
/r/LeftWingMaleAdvocates20/01/20 05:17 PM
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The Adam rib thing is just I dunno, a 4000-6000 years old story that people somehow take literally, about something obviously imagined. It's like overanalyzing Twin Peaks or Fear and Hatred in Las Vegas (both absurd works using so many metaphors its like we should be on drugs to see it) for philosophical guidance or historical significance. I could also say that Good Omens is a historical documentary. Or that Disc World is how the world is Oh, I agree. But people really did take that shit to hea…
/r/LeftWingMaleAdvocates20/01/20 05:08 PM
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Saying its unilaterally men [who only have priviledge] is the issue. I mean people aren't? If a girl was raised in wealthy home who could afford premium medical care when she got sick as a child, wasn't exposed to any crime because she lived in a gated community with mostly white residents, with a patrol car and a neighborhood watch, went to a private grade school because her family was wealthy and had her education completely paid for by her parents and then got a job at the company her parents…
/r/LeftWingMaleAdvocates20/01/20 04:59 PM
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My best advice for discovering your partner doesn't share your values is to cut your losses. Ignoring whatever motives the author actually has, the advice of how to change your partner seems to be a second order of advice under the assumption of "you like what you have except this one thing" and you'd like to keep it, "how do I get to keep it?" And that completely sidesteps the point that you shouldn't keep him if this is such a major requirement. That is in reference to any set of values you di…
/r/LeftWingMaleAdvocates20/01/20 04:48 PM
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I don’t really understand this logic. How do homeless, suicidal, military, overworked, etc. men have “privilege” in contrast to the “oppressed” women? How exactly are these people oppressors? The rich (who, yes, are largely male) have the power, and the rest of society suffers as a consequence. I'd be careful before saying privilege and power are the same, that one directly leads to the other, or that privilege is the other side of the coin of oppression. ("How are these people oppressors" is ev…
/r/LeftWingMaleAdvocates20/01/20 04:41 PM
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weird ideas that are twisted to look like they mean something horrible for women, but its a conspiracy theory of innocuous stuff. This is hardly engaging with the concept of steel-manning.
/r/LeftWingMaleAdvocates20/01/20 04:19 PM
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I just want to say thanks for at least engaging in this manner. It seems my prayer was directly answered: I can say this sub doesn't make feminists particular welcome, nor are interested in a two way street. There's too much aminocity and too little respect and steel-manning Personally, I find theories on hedgemony who happen to be male (historically) to be more accurate. I don't believe power is an intrinsic birth right afforded onto men, but I do beleive inherent biases have worked their way i…
/r/LeftWingMaleAdvocates20/01/20 04:15 PM
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Power and who organizes society. Again, I don't agree that it is derived from manhood. And agree that most men quantity-wise don't have more power than someone else. That's where class conciousness is really important. The middle-management worker and father has no more control in the way that society is organized than anyone else in today's age. But in a democracy he can at least vote. And this wasn't the case for all people at all times. Even for men, some of which were black. Yet we are told …
/r/LeftWingMaleAdvocates20/01/20 03:40 PM
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Being labeled as Feminist doesn't bother me. And I have used it depending on context, but it's not the closest to what I believe nor do I see a movement which focuses on women the only viable solution to men's problems. I do mostly agree with feminism given the history of the liberation movement. And I more agree with younger generations that are overtly anti-capitalist and intersectional. There's a lot of different thought about there, and I think it would be better for people to be able to ide…
/r/LeftWingMaleAdvocates20/01/20 03:04 PM
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Women have often had power, particularly social power I definitely agree with that. Some conservative women enjoyed that their influence arose out of child rearing, and that their domain was the social sphere and were glad to give up other spheres of influence. It's pretty clear that in last couple hundred of years inequities of formal power has been an issue, and women have not been on equal terms when making these decisions. They were not agencyless as you're right to point out, but a seat at …
/r/LeftWingMaleAdvocates20/01/20 02:49 PM
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If the vast majority of men (i.e men as a group) do not have power, than why call it a patriarchy, In other words, it's not that all men have the same amount of power but that those who do (or more perciseley did historically) have power were men. And women who do climb those success ladders typically do so by adopting the same hedgemonic qualities. (a good example of this Sandberg's pro capitalism #leanin feminism, #girlboss etc). When there's talk about individual men or majorities of men etc …
/r/LeftWingMaleAdvocates20/01/20 03:38 AM
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than why call it a patriarchy, as the basis of power is not sex? When you say 'it was men' whst do you mean? I'm not some academic here so I am just providing you my thoughts. I don't for a moment speak on behalf of anyone other than myself here. Let's take the founding of the U.S. for example. Only white men were allowed to own property and you had to have property to vote. There was a single woman in the room. And you have what those men thought about women go into policy without anyone elses …
/r/LeftWingMaleAdvocates20/01/20 03:27 AM
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I’m sorry you were harassed, did you report it to the mods? It's been mostly an isolated event (I get a good deal of inappropriate flak, but this was really the only episode that went too far) and it's pretty hard to dig through old comments. I did reach out to the other user when it seems she was treated similarly and was confirmed. I did stay away for a while afterwards because I noticed waking up in the morning With a dozen comments and a DM telling me how I was bad™ feminism was evil and com…
/r/LeftWingMaleAdvocates20/01/20 03:02 AM
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Briefly, historically the people in power were men, and organized society around a gender binary with specific expectations and gender roles, they were the only ones at the table when they made these decisions and some of those decisions hurt/oppressed etc others. The society they constructed often maintained their heirarchy/power and often by using arguments of "nature". Saying that all men are responsible for this system by birth is the same biological essentialism I refute. And particularly e…
/r/LeftWingMaleAdvocates20/01/20 01:45 AM
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whether I'm a leftist enough, gotcha. I have said anything about your politics. Nor did a say pro-feminism is a requirement of being left-wing. What I said was your mission statement calls but a big tent of left wing ideas (but no, not those left wing ideas). I'm OK with mentioning Peterson favorably in this context, That's great, point to me where I said that was a problem? radfem 99%-something stuff you mentioned in any way help men's advocacy? Feminism for the 99%. You can at least engage wit…
/r/LeftWingMaleAdvocates20/01/20 01:23 AM
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I tell people here the mods of Menslib aren't card carrying Feminists and I'm laughed out if the room. Because we've pretty much ALL had experiences that prove the opposite to us. So what, I'm lying and part of a false flag as some of your subscribers say we are?
/r/LeftWingMaleAdvocates20/01/20 12:29 AM
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It's not a purity test. It's showing that your "big tent" approach comes with some serious exceptions. That should get you laughed out of rooms that contain men's advocates who are well-informed on these issues... This only mirrors my point. Am I lying to your face about us?
/r/LeftWingMaleAdvocates20/01/20 12:26 AM
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But this kind of stuff is turning off people of feminism Sounds like their problem them. I've got my own project. I was mocked for even attempting to be sexual in very small ways Well that's where your local culture will dictate way more including even at the school level. America has puritanical roots and you see that everywhere. Likewise, conservatives won't be as open with certain types of displays but they're conservative women too. You just have to sort through to find the right people.
/r/LeftWingMaleAdvocates19/01/20 11:59 PM
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And this entitlement behavior is neither unique to men nor universal to men. No. But when they bear the burden to initiate they can't be the ones who reject.
/r/LeftWingMaleAdvocates19/01/20 11:53 PM
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Feminism for the 99% is doing more work within a Marxist framework then Jordan Peterson is. How is that radfem hateful garbage relevant to this conversation, again? Disdain for Peterson is not a radical position. Nor is saying Marxist ie the left are more left wing than the intellectual dark web a contraversial position to have. And it's relevant because you want to be perceived as left-wing with explicit hostility towards a lot of people on the left.
/r/LeftWingMaleAdvocates19/01/20 11:49 PM
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by suggesting that our suspiciousness towards the bad faith of the feminist-identified contributors is entirealy a figment of our collective imaginations. Are they here? In this subreddit? Because that what I'm talking about. I've got no quarrels with your takedowns of everyday.feminism.com posts, that's not a figment of your imagination but I tend to only pop my head in when thinks look like they can be instructive, constructive. because that would contradict the feminist academia orthodoxies A…
/r/LeftWingMaleAdvocates19/01/20 11:38 PM
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Identifying as a feminist is a choice. And I choose not to in most situations. But that doesn't mean I don't find a good deal of common ground on issues, particularly with the younger generations. And yet I'm conflated all the same, MensLib brought to the same degree of r/Feminism as if they are anything alike. I tell people here the mods of Menslib aren't card carrying Feminists and I'm laughed out if the room. Instead we're portrayed as coastal liberals with gender studies degrees. All it take…
/r/LeftWingMaleAdvocates19/01/20 11:25 PM
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Maybe you should ask yourself how we were treated by feminists up to this point, that could have lead to reasonable people to feel and act this way, instead of pathologizing us. You accuse me of things I haven't done! You're asking me for personal empathy after putting me in the situation you call horrendous. Where am I Feminism? Where am I pathologizing men? Christ. I'm not saying you have to open your gates to RadFems and Corporate #GirlPower #LeanIn children of pro-capitalism feminism. You ow…
/r/LeftWingMaleAdvocates19/01/20 11:23 PM
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Should we? Less you become a hypocrite of your own advice of a big tent approach, yes. And as mods, y'all should put any personal beefs aside as facilitators. When your biggest concern is your perspective isn't being given the space it should in order to have a fair discussion on these subjects and then turn around and become the type of people you apparently criticize by making it unwelcoming to dissenting opinions? It's not like you have problem with being taken over by Feminists. People act s…
/r/LeftWingMaleAdvocates19/01/20 10:45 PM
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how to communicate this in a way that feminists could get behind, since I’m preaching to the choir here. Maybe you can help me with that? How? I can say this sub doesn't make feminists particular welcome, nor are interested in a two way street. There's too much aminocity and too little respect and steel-manning. The fact I can be harassed by users here and in my DMs as well as the /r/feminism mod is effective. A lot of gender issues I find fascinating and important are underdiscussed on MensLib …
/r/LeftWingMaleAdvocates19/01/20 08:39 PM
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Well, ambiguity is part of the definition of creepy or what people understand creepiness to be. But the results of the study show that as for the actual people denoted as creepy, there is no link between their threat level and their likelihood of being labelled ‘creepy’ Well this gets muddled when people use the word creep to describe confirmed pedophiles for instance. Some people are labeled creepy only after their threat has been identified and confirmed. So it's a narrow distinction in the pr…
/r/LeftWingMaleAdvocates19/01/20 08:08 PM
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I think your point is that Feminist theory of patriarchy is incorrect and fundementally flawed.
/r/LeftWingMaleAdvocates19/01/20 06:55 PM
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Cool, you brought it up. Not me, or who I was replying to. The contradiction has nothing to do with his question or my answer. When you quote me and lead your comment with a 'but" it sounds like you're disagreeing with what I said, or that my explaination isn't correct.
/r/LeftWingMaleAdvocates19/01/20 06:26 PM
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And I'm answering the question about how the user above "doesn't get that patriarchy hurts men too" He didn't say what section of feminism that sentiment came from, and that it was from a section which agree in the way you just described it.
/r/LeftWingMaleAdvocates19/01/20 06:09 PM
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But patriarchy in feminist theory is specifically a system that benefits men. What you're saying is antithetical to that idea. Not every man, and not all the same way or to the same degree. Feminism also isn't a monolith, just reading a Wikipedia page will show the variety of thought. Here's one example: I don't think any movement for human rights, including for women's rights, can make deep and enduring progress until it comes to to understand that the greatest threats to human rights arises fr…
/r/LeftWingMaleAdvocates19/01/20 04:34 PM
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That’s not what it says in the article. It specifies both times: “to women by men”. And I do make that qualification in that paragraph. ("Although it doesn't have to be a male offender") It's correct but not exclusively so. I'm agreeing on the this point, they have what a hate crime is correct, but it's too narrow in it's omissions. Everything else is agreeable
/r/LeftWingMaleAdvocates19/01/20 02:46 AM
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In more direct terms Part of that to is that no one has to give a reason beyond no, or "I'm not interested". The entitlement that's discussed doesn't arrive out of the disappointment but born from the expectation that they played by the rules/didn't do anything wrong. It's only ever a problem when the guy counters "why" or continues to persist, in an effort to wear them down. I'm not sure what the actual breakdown of Case A or Case B is happening. I don't understand this phrase, can you elaborat…
/r/LeftWingMaleAdvocates19/01/20 02:13 AM
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Even if the awkwardness is not caused by an immutable disability but by a simple lack of social skills, I think it’s worth displaying a little bit of kindness and understanding and not throwing a stigmatizing at them because they are in the process of learning. I agree, but there is a limit to what people are expected to front. Since there's no classroom for interpersonal relationships there's going to a lot of floundering and miss communication, particularly when people are in the younger side.…
/r/LeftWingMaleAdvocates19/01/20 02:04 AM
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places to approach people I think each of those hypotheticals are different people. but if you had to scratch any place that someone thinks is off-limits (to be sure you don’t make anyone uncomfortable), then there is nowhere left to spontaneously strike up a chat with a person. Idk man, I just said I don't think bars are off limits. It's going to come with the territory. But there's nothing wrong with expressing frustration that you'd prefer not to be bothered. I think this is one major downsid…
/r/LeftWingMaleAdvocates19/01/20 01:28 AM
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So you basically think that creepy = awkward, with a few exceptions? Why then not just use “awkward” or even “unattractive”? Surely, “creepy” is more stigmatizing and hurtful than either of those? I think colloquially they are often used interchangably, and while attractiveness plays a role I don't think most people are calling someone a creep solely on appearence. Awkward is certainly better because it's more charitable towards people and describes as much the situation as it sticks to an actua…
/r/LeftWingMaleAdvocates19/01/20 12:53 AM
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It's what generated "no homo" and necessitates qualifying bonds between men as "bromance".
/r/LeftWingMaleAdvocates18/01/20 09:38 PM
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I still don't get the whole "patriarchy hurts men too" shit It's an acknowledgement that patriarchy doesn't help all men and not all men have the same level of priviledge under that system. It's an explicit admission that patriarchy is historically racist, and classist. An admission born out of modern intersectionality. If the patriarchy asserts that men are breadwinners and women are caregivers based on the society and laws they built It hurts men and woman who fall outside those expectations a…
/r/LeftWingMaleAdvocates18/01/20 09:36 PM
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Don't have as much to say on this comment, I agree with most. UK misogynistic hate crime is now defined as "incidents against women that are motivated by the attitude of men towards women and includes behaviour targeted at women by men simply because they are women". F That seems accurate. A crime perpetuated based on an immutable characteristic of the victim. Although it doesn't have to have a male offender. Your right to point out the further problem lies in what already deemed criminal. raili…
/r/LeftWingMaleAdvocates18/01/20 09:10 PM
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This is a ridiculous comparison.
/r/LeftWingMaleAdvocates18/01/20 08:50 PM
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I completely agree here. I think what you do see in some of these "awkward" interactions is that the socal cues to back off don't get read. I'm not sure what the actual breakdown of Case A or Case B is happening.
/r/LeftWingMaleAdvocates18/01/20 08:39 PM
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All I’m asking for is for people to be more judicious in who they label creepy. It really isn’t asking much. It's not. But if they’re being awkward in a way that you think is off but can’t quite place, maybe reflect a little before casting the first stone. Ibm agree, although I think even being more judicious we still land on "yes it's creepy" because the threat of violence is such a small number. And being with invisible disability are never discovered in a stranger context that starts with dis…
/r/LeftWingMaleAdvocates18/01/20 08:31 PM
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Something like 20% of young Americans and Frenchmen consider a man asking a woman out for a drink as “sexual harassment”, so I don’t think asking this question is a particularly weird impulse to have. Oh that is interesting, I'm American and the graph is somewhat similar to France, although the genders are actually reversed. I think this has to be addressed within the particular cultures. While I don't agree that bars should be off limits to finding a partner there's some credibility to people "…
/r/LeftWingMaleAdvocates18/01/20 07:56 PM
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Could that be because “creepy” is sometimes carelessly used as a synonym for “unattractive” (if, as you say, creeped out doesn’t require a fear of violence)? Sure, particularly when disgust in a scale sits opposite to attraction. I disagree that creepiness requires the violence. The article asserts: Creepiness is different from disgust in that it refers to a feeling of unease in the face of social liminality, particularly where sex and death are involved. We become uncomfortable when events don’…
/r/LeftWingMaleAdvocates18/01/20 06:15 PM
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But the neuroatypical, the homeless and other marginalized men can be expected to struggle somewhat with this, and that's why I'm saying they should be given a little bit of leeway. Not much, just a little bit Sure. But most of that is invisible. That's really hard to do. And it's difficult to walk that real line when there's all these other men who are deemed reasons for non-immutable reasons. And that's valid too. I'm not sure what the solution here really is, it's the problem with having invi…
/r/LeftWingMaleAdvocates17/01/20 11:43 PM
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I'm saying that I can give individual advice similar to what you're saying but I cannot give the same general advice to a lot of people, particularly when there's no way to discern the nuance on the actual episode in order to assert nuance in the solution. There are systemic outcomes but I'm not sure what a systemic solution looks like here. Even if the answer is no it's okay. "they weren't a threat, but they're still a creepy piece of shit who should never ever approach women ever", Well there'…
/r/LeftWingMaleAdvocates17/01/20 11:23 PM
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On an individual level I'm able to suss out upon hearing a situation what the actual landscape is. And that can include telling a female friend to consider if he was actually a threat. But even if the answer is no, that's okay. They aren't a threat but still aren't owed anything more. The problem is that in aggregate, and when speaking in generalizations to the point of an entire gender (either gender) you can easily invalidate one side in trying to put some nuance in between. I think overall th…
/r/LeftWingMaleAdvocates17/01/20 07:26 PM
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Sure, "walking on eggshells" is one way that manifests, I don't think its a particularly gendered thing, but yes, that can absolutely be a legitimate complaint from a man on the topic of emotional work.
/r/LeftWingMaleAdvocates11/01/20 12:23 AM
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And talking about how women behave can be part of a solutions focused approach. In practice I don't see that that as being a proportional "part" I see that slice of the conversation becoming the overwhelming voice. Basically, how to educate women I'd be very interested how you would approach doing that in person, functionally. Sometimes advice has to come within their own communities and at least from their peers that they trust. How to have good communication with a partner is a much better fra…
/r/LeftWingMaleAdvocates10/01/20 05:29 AM
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This requires an open discussion about what they should be expecting, and what they should watch out for, so that they can make an informed decision, and look out for signs of potential unfairness and abuse. I hear that completely, and it's something I'll have to think on for a while. I can say personally I don't like a framework that pits the sexes into adversarial positions as a default. And I don't like sweeping generalizations. Often, there are complaints about a type of woman, but there are…
/r/LeftWingMaleAdvocates10/01/20 05:20 AM
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You cannot analyze everything, try to be self conscious about every action you do. Of course not. But we can still have seperate individual conversations being held by different people and engaged with by other different people. "I am a privileged white male, society is designed to cater to me, how do I change to accommodate people who are not me?" Ignoring all the individual and personal threads I think that's a fair perspective looking in. But I think you'll be quickly overlooking the intersec…
/r/LeftWingMaleAdvocates10/01/20 05:05 AM
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still misses out on what the men should be expecting their wives to do in return, and how to negotiate a good relationship for themselves. If you're problem is that a Men's Subreddit isn't holistic enough okay, but those conversations can still happen, it's not Men'slibs responsibility to facilitate what "wives should do in return". I guarentee you though that you can get a post about partner expectations and marital negotiations on MensLib. But it will depend on the framing of the submissions s…
/r/LeftWingMaleAdvocates10/01/20 03:32 AM
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being told how to behave and how to think to live up to some ideal. In that sense it's just the flipside of the coin of tradcon views of masculinity, both are stifling af If this is what you're walking away from MensLib with I don't know what to say. We advocate for descriptions instead of prescriptions all the time. I think a ton of individual people have ideas about what may or not be idealized just as nearly everyone finds security in an identity. I would look at how prescriptive tradecon thi…
/r/LeftWingMaleAdvocates10/01/20 03:15 AM
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Emotional Labor is only economical in the sense that it is part of people jobs, but if we're talking about men and women and cohabitation what you're talking about is emotional work. And emotional work is only economics if you view labor in a traditional labor framework, ie. Wage labor - organizing labor on measurable economic terms. What a large portion of the emotional labor conversation is about employee expectations and ultimate health and authenticiry. A large portion of the emotional work …
/r/LeftWingMaleAdvocates10/01/20 02:58 AM
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Feminists will be up in arms, as well as maybe a good chunk of conservatives (for different reasons) Are you surprised? Who the fuck wants to be forced to fight wars? I'd be up in arms too if the point was to perpetuate the death of others and stability of foreign soverenties on the pretense of equality. I agree that if the goal is to distinguish gender discrimination as unconstitutional is a worthwhile fight. But I'm not going to begrudge anyone for not wanting to be drafted. in the end I think…
/r/LeftWingMaleAdvocates10/01/20 02:51 AM
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A sub for helping men doesn’t seem to me like the right place for telling men that they’re doing things wrong. To start, I think a lot of improvement is made this way across a whole array of issues. But it's also not the only approach seen. If anything it's about being more conscious of pitfalls then saying the way another man is organizing their life is wrong and must be changed, without their approval or consent. ​ if someone made a post in a feminist sub telling women they weren’t working eno…
/r/LeftWingMaleAdvocates10/01/20 01:10 AM
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I note that no female feminist ever suggested that they (female feminists) only ever talk about what how women can change and never talked about the (wrong) things men did. It's almost like Feminism and Menslib have different priorities.
/r/LeftWingMaleAdvocates10/01/20 01:03 AM
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Yard Work v. House Work Sure, there's something more grating about physical labor the "men are so well equipped for" but I'd be extremely cautious going any farther in trying to compare tasks based on metrics and hardship. Marriages shouldn't require transactional relationships, where currency is how hard someone worked and for how long. And still there are men who enjoy taking care of the burly work and embrace that role as much as there are women who embrace ironing all the clothes, and someti…
/r/LeftWingMaleAdvocates10/01/20 01:02 AM
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hat is important is ensuring the societal pressures are gender neutral, so that if any person, man or woman, can be the primary provider, primary caregiver, or equal provider-caregiver if they choose to do so ... a more fruitful discussion about 'how to be a better husband' would be for discussion to be had about how the couple can communicate better about what each party is willing to provide and receive in return, rather than a discussion about what the husbands must unilaterally do to make th…
/r/LeftWingMaleAdvocates10/01/20 12:52 AM
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Women are stifled, restricted, sabotaged, harassed, discriminated against, abused, gaslit etc. But men are mainly just broken I think mostly the project is about being better. Identifying wherever that may be. Men's Liberation by definition asserts men are stifled and restricted, by society and by gender norms. I certainly won't go on the record saying men are broken, but I think over the last couple of generations we've done a good deal of damage to gender relations, and part of that is an hone…
/r/LeftWingMaleAdvocates10/01/20 12:49 AM
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There is a growing "woke" message about this out there advocating that men shouldn't have to let themselves be bossed around by their wives / girlfriends, and that women should respect this and not pretend to have the high ground on the issue. Yeah I've seen the tropes. In high school was probably the last time I heard a man disparaging his friend as being "whipped", and I have to ask myself seriously about any future friend who chooses to (or the instance where a friend does truly find himself …
/r/LeftWingMaleAdvocates10/01/20 12:44 AM
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Only if your point is to insinuate that menslib is filled with homosexuals.
/r/LeftWingMaleAdvocates10/01/20 12:12 AM
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how women encourage men to work longer hours to earn more money so that they can stay at home and work less. Is there anything you can point me to where this is a majority of relationships? A norm? A prevelent issue that isn't recognized as being unfair? A result from pure want rather than household organization like child care? What is she doing at home while the man works? Sipping mimosas? women expect men to put in half the effort to reach their goals inside the home for things that the man m…
/r/LeftWingMaleAdvocates09/01/20 11:40 PM
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It's MENSlib. What do you expect? Men talking about men. Not men complaining about women even when it's justified.
/r/LeftWingMaleAdvocates09/01/20 11:31 PM
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That was the last time it was used. It isn't abolished. Men still have to sign up for Selective Services when they get their drivers license, if they take federal aid from the government in forms like student loans, and if you get a job working for the government.
/r/LeftWingMaleAdvocates04/01/20 03:41 PM
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It always amazes me how pro-feminists conveniently overlook the "judge them by the actions, not be the words" principle when it comes to their own, The hell? If a women decries toxic masculinity without willing to topple the systems that outsizedly benefit themselves they are a hypocrite. If that woman is a feminist. I agree, is a hypocrite. All genders are capable of perpetuating shitty gender expectations. The Manosphere neither claims to have monopoly on the discussion of gender issues, nor t…
/r/LeftWingMaleAdvocates26/12/19 11:17 PM
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your opponents factual basis for disagreement You are neither my opponent and most people's education in feminism comes from social media and "think" pieces. Its criticism that's applied both to people reacting to woke Twitter and woke Twitter itself. Some of that stuff is ridiculous. Just noise. Then why run a subreddit as if it was dedicated to spreading feminist orthodoxy and silencing dissent? It's not. Then why not discuss men's issues more often? We do every day. I fail to accurately model…
/r/LeftWingMaleAdvocates26/12/19 11:08 PM
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I doubt even a majority of the mods would identify themselves as feminists. I don't have the same beef with them like some people here do. I know to take what I read on Twitter with a grain of salt. We all pretty critical of lib-fems. And not so much on the intersectional feminists or 4th wave. MensLib is a place to talk about men's issues. Not feminism.
/r/LeftWingMaleAdvocates26/12/19 10:46 PM
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I'm not a feminist
/r/LeftWingMaleAdvocates26/12/19 10:39 PM
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The problem is when you start calling this "toxic masculinity" and frame it inside the larger war against men. Except it's not framed that way. Particularly, it requires a ware against men to even exist. You even touched on how, as someone who is not black, you don't think it's your place to talk about this. Well how do feel about women, especially women who have demonstrated their hatred for men, talking about toxic masculinity? Identity and Culture overlap but as I said I think there's a prett…
/r/LeftWingMaleAdvocates25/12/19 07:51 PM
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Boomhauer. Not sure that's really the best example. It might work out for men in the end but for all the women that were clearly there to shop. And that goes to a number of public settings. There is more disconnection in public life nowadays but you can also start a conversation with someone first, or try to to gauge the temperature. You can also go to places where people are going to be expected to interact sometimes. Bars as an example. If you want the numbers game. Go speed dating.
/r/LeftWingMaleAdvocates25/12/19 05:11 PM
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https://www.reddit.com/r/LeftWingMaleAdvocates/comments/e7m44x/when_feminists_say_they_want_men_to_express_their/fa5th0t/ Just that some men hear oppose it as a concept, and conflate it to mean just relationships, rather than actual labor. This link has a guy calling it a "fancy new rationalization"
/r/LeftWingMaleAdvocates25/12/19 03:55 PM
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keeping people honest from outside their lane. I agree with that, but there's accountability within solidarity and then there's adversaries. You can have a coalition or you can attack people directly. And Men'sLib often gets the latter. Merry Xmas to you too
/r/LeftWingMaleAdvocates25/12/19 02:49 AM
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[TM came from the MMM], but feminism co-opted it pretty quickly Decades. But yes, we are interested in gender studies. Feminist or otherwise, they just have a massive head start. There's an increased interest in specifically classes in Masculinities these day so that's good to hear. but I think we could perhaps make more progress ... if our discourse focused more on the Multiple masculinities rather than the boogeyman of Toxic / Hegemonic Masculinity. That's literally what I do Unequal gender re…
/r/LeftWingMaleAdvocates25/12/19 02:43 AM
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There has been a huge push in society for men to "discover their feminine side". And femininity has been framed as what's "normal" in society, in much the same way that white culture is framed as what's normal. For me. It's not normal. It's what in vogue. And I've asked this about a feminist who's book was entirely a treatise in Toxic Masculinity. [The Book] reads to me less as a liberalization of men and masculinity but reclamation of femininity for men because it’s what’s societally in vogue a…
/r/LeftWingMaleAdvocates24/12/19 10:30 PM
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I can also try to re-boil this down. "I'm not racist, I don't hate black people, I just hate thugs" "see, researchers agree that black culture has problems... I'm not a racist, you're just ignorant!"). "I'm not sexist, I don't hate men, I just hate the ways some men act" "see, researchers agree that male identity has problems... I'm not sexist, you're just ignorant!"). And I feel, particularly online these two events are happening at inverse proportions. I can at least say they are from my exper…
/r/LeftWingMaleAdvocates24/12/19 09:59 PM
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"thug culture" usually just refers to "black culture" Thug culture seems too narrow to encompass the multiplicity of black experiences. To use the former as opposed to the latter seems immediately to step forward on the wrong foot. Black people who don't "act white" are called thugs or gangsters. The problem isn't their skin color, but their accent, and their choices in music, fashion, hobbies, and even drug use I don't think that's remotely a majority opinion. I think that is racism. Or at best…
/r/LeftWingMaleAdvocates24/12/19 09:48 PM
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FGM Is catagorically not allowed iirc. It's also not about men. If it's wound up in fuller comment I suppose it could result in some collatoral but you also can't just use circumcision to Trojan horse an opinion on FGM. We do have a sticky that will go up on those threads and we cannot be any clearer about the ground rules. We are very concious about what conversations our community can handle with the nuance a subject requires and we will decline to have them if we feel people can't behave. It'…
/r/LeftWingMaleAdvocates24/12/19 08:38 PM
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I'm not familiar with those subjects but here's my knee jerk take. I think in any way you're talking about traditional expectations that harm someone is fair game. (Yes that includes Feminimity). If black men are expected to perform in a way that's harmful both to their health (gangs) and identity (that's not them) that's bad. But I'm also not going to get into why the reason gangs are just attempts at survival. I think the adoption of the same phrases can be seen as reactionary. (black lives ma…
/r/LeftWingMaleAdvocates24/12/19 06:16 PM
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Because when you talk about men's issues, a lot of feminists or pro-feminists or progressives etc. will say ... "what do you need a movement for men's issues for? Well that's the thing. Menslib isn't Male Feminism. It shouldn't be surprising to hear me say feminism wont fix it all. I'm sure there's users who do though, but the mods aren't disillusioned. If we thought it was the sole cure we would be some other sub. /feminism/ of /malefeminists/ etc. But we aren't. We stand alone and have no form…
/r/LeftWingMaleAdvocates24/12/19 05:53 PM
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I think it's fair that when most people refer to feminism nowadays them mean the Sexual Revolution and onwards. 60s at the earliest. Otherwise nothing is scrutable here. It's also unfair to suggest a movement that encompasses almost 2 centuries in it's most expansive form can't be narrowed, particularly because feminism itself has also morphed during that time. Turn-of-the-century feminism is quite different than turn-of-the-millenia. The second wave doesn't even arrive until after the first, wh…
/r/LeftWingMaleAdvocates23/12/19 10:47 PM
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Yes it would. With doesn't mean because. It coincides. His implication is wrong, but he's technically correct.
/r/LeftWingMaleAdvocates23/12/19 08:21 PM
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So what I'm reading from this is that the trend of incarcerations have risen for both genders since the 70s, and that men are still disparately focused on incarceration and criminal sentencing (form other sources). Egal would be technically correct in saying "The incarceration of men has skyrocketed with the rise of feminism." But is lacking the fact that incarceration for both men and women have increased since the 70s.
/r/LeftWingMaleAdvocates23/12/19 08:15 PM
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So the most favorable interpretation of your comment is that Feminists were asleep at the wheel? Not that they caused it.
/r/LeftWingMaleAdvocates23/12/19 08:11 PM
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Then my answer is largely no, I do not hear this kind of talk coming form the left. The left is not as concerned with concepts like Individual Responsibility as much as the right. They'd sooner talk about systemic problems (which are still relevant).
/r/LeftWingMaleAdvocates23/12/19 08:10 PM
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If a women decries toxic masculinity without willing to topple the systems that outsizedly benefit themselves they are a hypocrite. ie. I woman who agrees both that men should not be expected to be a breadwinner but insists her husband be so. If that woman is a feminist. I agree, is a hypocrite. All genders are capable of perpetuating shitty gender expectations.
/r/LeftWingMaleAdvocates23/12/19 08:02 PM
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beef with feminism is misguided and that feminism already covers all of their problems. I think the beef is out of proportion an no feminism will not solve all men's problems. I've also seen tradcons arguing for "enforced monogamy", but nothing too major. I saw both episodes you're talking about. imposing masculinity FWIW I don't do that, you can read more in my top level comment. Feminists want to destroy gender roles, but they won't tell you that becoming "more masculine" in some respects can …
/r/LeftWingMaleAdvocates23/12/19 08:00 PM
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I'm not going to rehash Toxic Masculinity for the 10th time. If you're interested in what i have to say, just search my account, or ask me a question here. There's a way to be traditionally masculine and have it be healthy. So if they're claiming that the solution is for men to abandon traditional values, you know they don't have those men's best interests in mind. But when we oppose "Traditional Masculinity" it's in the ways they they have historically harmed men, such as the breadwinner identi…
/r/LeftWingMaleAdvocates23/12/19 07:55 PM
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"like this", "to say this" Sorry trying to understand your question. Say things like what? What Cuomo said? He's a democrat.
/r/LeftWingMaleAdvocates23/12/19 07:36 PM
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I want to say thinks for starting this as conversation about consent. As that's what I did with my comment. We all agree that people who drive drunk are responsible for their actions, but then they are not responsible for who they decide to have sex with? I see this analogy a lot and I don't think it's completely sound. The only person involved in you getting you into your care drunk is yourself. If you have someone help you to your car, maybe even ride with you, there's culpability, negligence …
/r/LeftWingMaleAdvocates23/12/19 07:30 PM
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The incarceration of men has skyrocketed with the rise of feminism. Can you explain that causation?
/r/LeftWingMaleAdvocates23/12/19 07:19 PM
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I want to seperate a little bit of rhetorical around consent at large, and what this law purports to do. Because I think consent is an incredible nuanced conversation and I see that conversation being underserved here. ​ ___ Here's an blog post the covers a bit more about the technicalities of the law. https://blog.simplejustice.us/2019/12/18/cuomo-drunk-is-a-rape-loophole/#more-42413 Ultimately this is just a conversation about consent, individual responsibility, and the role government should …
/r/LeftWingMaleAdvocates23/12/19 07:17 PM
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We all agree on the issues. No we don't. You refuse to acknowledge the harm feminism has done to men's issues. And that's the crux of it. Is the problem domestic violence or is it feminism? Duluth isn't legislation. And I've asked for an example to how it interested with current legislative efforts. . If you care about men's issues at all on MensLib, you would have the discussion about feminism and its failings. I can dig for those comments if you're interested, I'm not going type them out again…
/r/LeftWingMaleAdvocates23/12/19 04:58 PM
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75% of the time they tell you to kill yourself Christ's sake man. Why is everything thing a hyperbole? That's not what the information you gave me says. That's not "exactly what I said". I'm pointing out how your rhetoric is out of step with the data, and admitted where mine was too once we got some numbers in front of us.
/r/LeftWingMaleAdvocates23/12/19 04:36 PM
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I didn't say anything about the funds. That's whack. I said their information. "Its" antecedent is "information". You accused them of being dishonest, not misappropriating finds. If they aren't funding in line with their own data that's obviously a problem.
/r/LeftWingMaleAdvocates23/12/19 06:40 AM
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I think there's always unique challenges and hurdles for either gender. For men, there is a lack of seriousness given to male victims. Particularly when the abuse is sexual. I also agree that there is more shelters and resources for women, but that they built it. And if men want it too, they have to be willing to be the change to make them as well. In a lot of ways I feel those resources are on the right trend, but not in relative proportion to the people that need them. Men are also going to be…
/r/LeftWingMaleAdvocates23/12/19 06:02 AM
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I think you'll see good turnout this primary.
/r/LeftWingMaleAdvocates23/12/19 05:49 AM
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That's not what I said. I'm just saying in that one statement (which I know he has better reasons that that) comes of as reactionary to efforts done by others, and in opposition to. As a way of indicating a gender war. That awareness is in some regard a competition of things rather than building together. It's not unreasonable at all given the climate of the discourse to feel that way with such a plain statement. You don't get Men's Day because Women have a day. You get it because there's a reas…
/r/LeftWingMaleAdvocates23/12/19 05:46 AM
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Philips is not frustrated with Mr Davies, but with caring about men, its obvious from what she says in media Certianly seems pretty hippocrotical and an easy target for advocacy since... "Her maiden speech concerned homelessness and "improving [Britain]’s response to victims of domestic and sexual violence and abuse in all its forms." Emphasis mine. And she seems to be at odds with party leadership pretty regularly. Not sure how the individual elections work over there but I see representatives …
/r/LeftWingMaleAdvocates23/12/19 05:43 AM
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Men are equivalent to BLM protestors in the analogy. Well it depends on the issue doesn't it? Women do have slightly to moderately more instances of domestic violence towards them. Men are overall the main perpetrators of violence. Makes sense to make sure you don't denigrate those efforts in the process of raising awareness for the blindness of male victims. On suicide, it's a really bad problem for men. On prisons populations, grade school test scores, serverity of conviction, lack of help see…
/r/LeftWingMaleAdvocates23/12/19 05:37 AM
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So what I'm hearing is if government data starts to reflect the reality or if independent studies can demonstrated the estimated amount of missing reports you'd get better legislation. It seems rather unfair to say the government is participating in propaganda and misinformation when it completely aligns with their data. So that's where we should be looking, not some feminist chokehold on information and policy construction. Get better data.
/r/LeftWingMaleAdvocates23/12/19 05:29 AM
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the first guy. Can you share the name? Seems rather important. Why do they vote for [liberals] I don't have that answer. Wish I did. Davies. On men he seems pretty good. International Men's Day and all that. Would have to really look into his other policies but odds are he won't win me on many other fronts (opposing gay marriage). And how far his reservations for things like political correctness actually go. I will see his response as to why they need International Men's day is pretty bad and c…
/r/LeftWingMaleAdvocates23/12/19 05:23 AM
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Thanks. Let's take a look... This is what you said before: 40% of male victims who call hotlines and such, get referred to batterer services. It's inconceivable to those services that men can be victims of women, at the root. Let's look at the 1st half 40% of male victims who call hotlines and such, get referred to batterer services. The link has:. Of the abused men who called domestic violence hotlines, 64% were told that they "only helped women." In 32% of the cases, the abused men were referr…
/r/LeftWingMaleAdvocates23/12/19 05:10 AM
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Doesn't happen overnight man, I'm just saying there are allies across the isle and the insistence to denigrate them catagorically is just false and unhelpful. I'll be the first to jump on against Twitter style liberal feminists. But I don't spend my day following them, listening to them, archiving the shitty things they say or going into spaces to complain about them. I'm just interested in men's issues, finding a path towards solution and working towards that. Cut through the noise and the bull…
/r/LeftWingMaleAdvocates23/12/19 04:46 AM
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"feminism simply see DV as only being men beating women" ≠ "Some prominent members of the Australian government" All movements have bad actors. All institutions have staying power. If their in government build awareness about those people, get them out. Different methology. So it looks like whether their talking about regular violence of domestic violence waffles back and forth in their stats sheet but I don't see anything particularly heinous in their representation. If they used other methodol…
/r/LeftWingMaleAdvocates23/12/19 04:40 AM
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It would require (as do women's shelters taking men) segregated facilities. This 'need' is overblown. They never asked people who came in the shelters what they preferred. Radfems simply assumed "a man beat you, therefore all men terrorize you, therefore let's segregate" out of thin air. It would be one thing if it was requested out of actual data, but they never even tried co-ed at all. I'll take that. You do see this expressly said though by people in school settings and transgender bathrooms …
/r/LeftWingMaleAdvocates23/12/19 04:35 AM
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then why are you making arguments about 4th wavers not using it Because of the insistence that the entirety of Feminism is behind it. And in particular to OPs videos which is trying to illustrate them as puppetteers of worldwide governments. or what countries are using it? I'm trying to understand how they are. So I looked up the things that were mentioned. Why are you telling us to "move on" from Duluth Because as O said it seems to occupy a disproportionate oint of the oxygen. That it's used a…
/r/LeftWingMaleAdvocates23/12/19 04:12 AM
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I do see a lot when it comes to trans men/woman. And a lot has to do with the sensitivities of the people inside not feeling safe with a 'man' there. It would require (as do women's shelters taking men) segregated facilities. Does not mean that they won't refer you elsewhere. I agree then men are underserved btw (trans too). Just not your generally applied characterization of the people who want to help.
/r/LeftWingMaleAdvocates23/12/19 03:29 AM
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They're for combatting DV, feminism simply see DV as only being men beating women. You can make an argument for Duluth, whatever. But this such an absolute statement it's a fallacy. I agree about the fugdginess of the numbers. It's difficult to tell what you're talking about given the overall context without a close reading. says nothing about male victims in DV, or female perpetrators in DV. Its just there to minimize male victims of DV. It does if you just continue reading. The overwhelming ma…
/r/LeftWingMaleAdvocates23/12/19 03:25 AM
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Their continues employment of helping women for one. And how does accepting men cause then to lose their job?
/r/LeftWingMaleAdvocates23/12/19 03:06 AM
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they refer to controlling behavior as something mostly or only men can do. Due to male privilege, sexism, misogyny, lack of respect for women. Please, can you take the time to illustrate one example of this? A lot of these seem to be exclusively focused with combatting violence against women and therefore only talk about women as the victims. Not that men are incapable of being victims or incable of being controlled. I don't agree with the limited focus, as there's no need but I'm only seeing om…
/r/LeftWingMaleAdvocates23/12/19 03:00 AM
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There's a distinction though between refusal of services and lack of advertising. But I'll conceede to you the preverse incentives it makes. And don't agree with the lopsided nature of awareness programs. You're acting like these non-profits are acting like corporations with stock holders. Edit; and finding aside if beds are 50/50 I still expect an under utilization of beds for men because of other hurdles of getting them to seek help.
/r/LeftWingMaleAdvocates23/12/19 02:52 AM
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It's the American VAWA Alright. I saw the reference to Australia and started from there. I wouldn't agree to any law enacted in the future of my country (U.S.) that uses gender exclusive language where it is not necessary. /#3. These laws do that? Naturally I can't read the whole legislation, but that would be a concrete example of using the same language. /#5. As stupid it may be for real victims I wouldn't be surprised if such a policy doesn't exist just for officer safety. There's always bias…
/r/LeftWingMaleAdvocates23/12/19 02:44 AM
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Same language as Duluth, same gendered theory as Duluth, same discrimination of male victims as Duluth, but they don't use the word Duluth so they have nothing in common right? Excuse me for not being a scholar in domestic abuse. I am neither a proponent of the Duluth Model, gender exclusive legislation, nor a card carrying feminist. Most of these events are decades removed, since before my birth. But when I ask for help that I don't see the point that's being made in accused of being dishonest …
/r/LeftWingMaleAdvocates23/12/19 02:37 AM
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How could they even know its a service they can use? It sure isn't advertised ANYWHERE. And not knowing what resources are available will cause the services to be under utilized. It's anecdotic to even find ANY acknowledgement of male victims, and even rarer when its against female perpetrators. And it sure isn't in shelter advertisement...40% of male victims who call hotlines and such, get referred to batterer services. It's inconceivable to those services that men can be victims of women, at t…
/r/LeftWingMaleAdvocates23/12/19 02:06 AM
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It's quite easy to find anyone saying anything on Reddit. All of those have very little engagement. The first two both have contraversial top comments. And nothing really about the efficacy of the program itself (just it's intent), it a pretty clear failure from what I've seen. In any case, I'm not going to base my opinion on a half dozen Reddit Comments which largely lack sources. Give me an hour and I can find the exact inverse of your digging. I obviously don't agree with them. And don't thin…
/r/LeftWingMaleAdvocates23/12/19 01:43 AM
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Can you help me out here? Australia I see that the Australian adopts UN language where "violence against women is" any act of gender-based violence that results in, or is likely to result in, physical or psychological harm or suffering to women, including threats of such acts, coercion or arbitrary deprivation of liberty. So they've pre-limited themselves by only talking about half of the problem. I absolutely agree that there's no reason to limit protections or enforce gendered interpretations …
/r/LeftWingMaleAdvocates23/12/19 01:23 AM
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Your blue text is about men being allowed to cry and such. Not about going back on their making the DV support system extremely slanted No, but it's illustrating a pretty large shift on the overall attitude of previous Feminist streaks. And I feel it's pretty fair to say there aren't 4th wave feminists out there advocating for the Duluth Model - even if it's not in the blue text. In general men's issues, and explicitly male Feminists are able to work together more in the 4th wave. And that they …
/r/LeftWingMaleAdvocates23/12/19 12:05 AM
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Is there something wrong with the word 'men'?
/r/LeftWingMaleAdvocates22/12/19 09:39 PM
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TLDR. They did miss their mark. Let's move on. And stop defining feminism from the 80s. Nobody I know is still earnestly advocating for it. And despite what the video does illustrate, it does so in a very lazy manner. Those women calling another politician a pig for example. What did he even say? It matters. The first 18 minutes which I watched didn't even mention Duluth. And that's more than half the video. Tell me, what's your goal by posting this and then unwilling to engage with another user…
/r/LeftWingMaleAdvocates22/12/19 09:29 PM
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The Duluth model is apparently “the most widely-adopted approach in the world for intervening with men who batter and keeping women safer.” Of course the Duluth Model themselves are going to assert that. Yes. It has effected policy in a lot of places. But why is so much oxygen taken by saying how its bad, and demonstration that Feminism is a misandric and evil puppeteer of out government rather than finding aves where the Duluth Model is being used and changing it. It's the lack of balance and p…
/r/LeftWingMaleAdvocates22/12/19 09:12 PM
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Starts of with breaking down a hearing in the Australian Government in the pay gap. Uses a lot of hard cuts, refferring to actions not contextualized during the video. Speeds of the video over sections where the feminist is speaking and the video asserts it's wrong. Then shows a super cut of women saying the word sexism and misogyny. The video does illustrate that the paygap is not refferring to equal pay for equal work. Then it goes to mainstream media host who says "women shouldnt be told not …
/r/LeftWingMaleAdvocates22/12/19 08:19 PM
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I don't understand this fascination with the Duluth Model. This is MGTOW YouTube account, btw. And OP has posted this all across Reddit, even T_D. (Edit: he actually enjoys posting quite a few videos on TD and calling liberals "cucks") The Duluth experiment was in 1981 somewhere between the second and third waves of feminism. From Wikipedia: Critics argue that the method can be ineffective as it was developed without minority communities in mind and can fail to address root psychological or emot…
/r/LeftWingMaleAdvocates22/12/19 07:59 PM
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I'm not asking for premptive bans. It's good that this post is removed. But on a previous occasion where there was also right-wing drivel posted, lonely told me they weren't doing to police ideology, that they did not like censorship. I'm glad they chose to act here. My point about linking to previous comments is that there are people here who have formed a coalition with you for the express and singular purpose for fighting the left, especially the left thats pro-feminist. And I've got no probl…
/r/LeftWingMaleAdvocates22/12/19 07:45 PM
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And this is the problem mods when I push back when you tell me you won't police ideology in a sub explicitly for the left-wing. Other communities are forced to put up guardrails because the internet and Reddit are in large parts like OP. Without those safety measures this will continue to happen. You cannot have a meaningful and sustainable discussion on these topics without some ground rules. OP has been here and is upvoted elsewhere https://www.reddit.com/r/LeftWingMaleAdvocates/comments/ec70a…
/r/LeftWingMaleAdvocates22/12/19 04:56 PM
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I'm not here to discuss patriarchy. Your comment also slides from talking about "actual female supremicists" to "feminist logic" To be fair, it's a logical hole that actual female supremacists fall into. .. would logically lead to the conclusion that men are superior to women. And it's actually feminist logic that leads us to this conclusion. And you insistence to raise that point only mirrors what I was saying in the next comment; your saying "checkmate female supremicists, logic indicates men …
/r/LeftWingMaleAdvocates22/12/19 04:07 PM
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All I'm saying if you (general) are going to assert that women are inherently better leaders, then you need an explanation why a group of people who were inherently better at a role did not occupy that role, which Obama has not provided. I understand you're trying to indicate faulty logic, but it'd be far better just to say what you mean, because there are men who say exactly what you have said, and believe it
/r/LeftWingMaleAdvocates22/12/19 02:19 PM
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If you're asserting that women are inherently better leaders like Obama is I'm not. But your comment without mentioning your belief that socialization plays a key role - not innate characteristics - makes it read as "if you look at history, men have been leaders, not women, and still is the case, ergo, men are better". I understand you're trying to indicate faulty logic, but it'd be far better just to say what you mean, because there are men who say exactly what you have said, and believe it. Wh…
/r/LeftWingMaleAdvocates22/12/19 08:09 AM
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It's a shame that you guys continue to misunderstand what those words mean. Toxic masculinity does not mean all of masculinity is toxic I've tried. https://www.reddit.com/r/LeftWingMaleAdvocates/comments/e75x1m/great_post_on_rmensrights_countering_arguments_on/f9z9coi/
/r/LeftWingMaleAdvocates22/12/19 08:03 AM
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But I don't object to the usage for femininity either. Most people don't. But when the first reply to Toxic Masculinity is always "what about toxic Feminity?" It... Derails the conversation Is done from a reactionary and defensive position Absconds responsibility of men's own actions onto women Someone wants to talk to me about the ways traditional femininity and gender roles ultimately harm them and their relationships with others? Sure. Submissiveness, meekness, a women's place is to cater and…
/r/LeftWingMaleAdvocates22/12/19 07:52 AM
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Sounds like a galaxy brain way of trying to assert that men are better leaders because historically more leaders were men than women and still is the case today.
/r/LeftWingMaleAdvocates22/12/19 07:43 AM
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[Men often find their value through manifestation of women's actions, particularly via receiving sex] And that sounds incredibly toxic. Both for the relationship as well as an individual identity. And if this is the majority opinion of men here, we might infer that most are not in committed relationships and are otherwise frustrated with their prospects. Which is painful. But they're also the last people I'm going to take advice from for having relationships or their opinions on women. As a cons…
/r/LeftWingMaleAdvocates21/12/19 04:28 AM
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Because a lot of people here aren't leftists. Edit; OP uses the word "women" 335% more than his second most used word, "people". Which is often the most used word on many accounts.
/r/LeftWingMaleAdvocates21/12/19 02:55 AM
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As a warning, my comment following has more to do with this sub as a whole and the OP than anything you've particularly said. My peeve is feminists are always very quick to shut down any criticism of any woman, Well that's on those people. And really have nothing to do with this. I don't know if the woman in the OP was manipulating her husband or not, but she did clearly have an inappropriate relationship with an underage student, and this is unacceptable...she did what she did of her own free w…
/r/LeftWingMaleAdvocates21/12/19 02:40 AM
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France can have paternity tests ordered by a court and with consent.
/r/LeftWingMaleAdvocates21/12/19 01:42 AM
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was in response to your statement that I quoted, nothing more. I didn't even mention the original article I do want to apologize that I did not realize I was no longer replying to OP. That's mostly why I retain the context of the original article. But some women are. And chances are, since most people are heterosexual, that some men will encounter these women and start relationships with them. And so I see nothing wrong with raising awareness that such women exist. I'm surprised that you do. I d…
/r/LeftWingMaleAdvocates21/12/19 01:35 AM
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I don't think generalising about people (men or women) is useful. However, I also disagree that people who do engage in certain behaviours should be immune from criticism Okay, but that's what you did. And your criticism isn't even applicable to her. any woman who pressures her partner into working harder without being willing to work harder herself is a hypocrite, and should be criticised. Is that what the woman did in the story above? she instead suggests that she is unhappy because she doesn'…
/r/LeftWingMaleAdvocates21/12/19 12:55 AM
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Well first of you've taken a really bad example as opportunity to illustrate the other side of the coin. Teachers jobs are notoriously stressful. And frequently take their work home. Her husband also has a stressful job, and may be working overtime because of the workload or office politics, not so she can afford some lavish lifestyle on his dime. The ultimate point of this story is that their marriage was unhappy and probably lacking in communication. Men don't go into unequal relationships by …
/r/LeftWingMaleAdvocates20/12/19 09:26 PM
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However, it's COMPLETELY unnecessary to pit one gender against the other due to differences in paid and unpaid labor. Are you disagreeing with me or with OP?
/r/LeftWingMaleAdvocates20/12/19 05:04 PM
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Could it be that she was spending more money than what she wanted to earn herself, so her husband had to work extra hard to make up the difference? I don't know why you even have to begin to explore these negative assumptions. Maybe workplaces should make it easier to spend time with their families and kids. Maybe we should see the rewards of productivity increase go towards leisure. If you want your husband home more, try spending less of his money and earning more of it yourself. This women wa…
/r/LeftWingMaleAdvocates20/12/19 04:51 PM
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I think the votes on this post and the comment above below as well as the OPs inclination to blame the mother at every turn is a good example of this sub and who's here to criticize feminism without cause and those who are here to think critically. As much as I appreciate the big tent approach in this sub, OP this is outside the tent.
/r/LeftWingMaleAdvocates20/12/19 04:45 PM
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One concern that I agree with the other thread is the a lot of the Manosohere facilitates radicalization towards the alt-right. And while I don't agree the MRAs are the same, there's a much larger misogynistic, traditonal conservative streak in those spaces that contribute significantly to that perception. And I think it's one reason why this sub was felt needed. Not just a rebranding because the old time was unfairly criticized.
/r/LeftWingMaleAdvocates20/12/19 04:35 PM
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Peddling the statistics that erase male victims and made-to-penetrate cases.). If you read only a few more comments below they talk about this and how both sides agree there's need for reform. https://www.reddit.com/r/antifastonetoss/comments/eamin8/feminism_is_mens_rights/fawod60/
/r/LeftWingMaleAdvocates20/12/19 04:21 PM
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I'm not surprised that the only thing LWMA wants to talk about is double standards of agency and Women are Wonderful. And while yes, it can be a problem even in situations where it is some men's fault... There's several studies about overall enviromentalism being a feminist quality. From being mistaken as gay if your vegetarian, to being less likely to recycle it you're a man. Here are two studies from recent memory. Gender Bending and Gender Conformity: The Social Consequences of Engaging in Fe…
/r/LeftWingMaleAdvocates20/12/19 04:14 PM
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They're more strict when it comes to genetic rights. A Paternity Test can still be ordered by a Judge with consenting parties.
/r/LeftWingMaleAdvocates20/12/19 03:52 PM
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For example, I agree with many of the folks here that the Duluth model is garbage. Everyone does. Including those who made it after the fsct. Yet there isn't a thread without complaining about it. It's also quite telling that when you're repeating the bottom line that Men'slib takes without mentioning it you still get votes.
/r/LeftWingMaleAdvocates17/12/19 01:52 PM
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I did later look at their growth stats and will admit I didn't realize it was so new a grew quite so quickly. I'm certainly not defending it either tho
/r/LeftWingMaleAdvocates17/12/19 07:32 AM
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Actual hardcore menslibbers have a low tolerance for dissenting views and won't stick around long on this sub. Lol
/r/LeftWingMaleAdvocates15/12/19 03:27 AM
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Frankly, check femaledatingstrategy to see in a very explicit way how traditionally-minded women advice each other to not give away their precious sexuality resources until men are hook up... this is a very very toxic view of sexuality. Absolutely, but it's also an relatively new and small subreddit and I wouldn't be comfortable labeling a significant amount of people as having similar views. It's essentially PUA for women.
/r/LeftWingMaleAdvocates14/12/19 10:20 PM
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Seems incredibly bad form to link a study without context, call it "interesting" and ask other to read it fully before contributing when you haven't yourself.
/r/LeftWingMaleAdvocates14/12/19 10:18 PM
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Why not use the paper's title? Cultural Suppression of Female Sexuality What, exactly, can we conclude from all this? First, it is clear that the proximal causes of the suppression of female sexuality are predominantly female. The female control theory is broadly consistent with the bulk of the evidence. This conclusion is consistent with feminist views arguing that women have been active agents in society and history rather than merely passive victims of male influence. In the present analysis,…
/r/LeftWingMaleAdvocates14/12/19 09:59 PM
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It's hard to ignore that republican leadership is overwhelmingly male.
/r/LeftWingMaleAdvocates14/12/19 06:17 PM
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And what does that have to do with what. You replied to?
/r/LeftWingMaleAdvocates13/12/19 09:26 PM
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It's not a rebuttal. I'm explaining how/why it's schizophrenic in that regard. Because there's actually two sets of thought.
/r/LeftWingMaleAdvocates13/12/19 03:13 PM
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And the guy I was responding to was talking about women, not men.
/r/LeftWingMaleAdvocates13/12/19 03:02 PM
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libertine, which would be the lipstick feminists
/r/LeftWingMaleAdvocates13/12/19 10:11 AM
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I have no idea how that's relevant.
/r/LeftWingMaleAdvocates13/12/19 06:43 AM
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The difference between libertine Feminism and third wave Feminism examining power structures is what you're illustrating there. If you look at the Monica Lewinsky scandal you'll see the perfect example where both of those interpretations existed simultaneously.
/r/LeftWingMaleAdvocates13/12/19 03:00 AM
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Wait, is it or is it not a qualifier? If it is, then the term originates with "masculinity" which is a lot older than 25 years. If it's not, well then don't call it one. Toxic Masculinity is a concept. Toxic qualifies the word Masculinity. That's a typo. What qualifies [Shepard Bliss] to be the authority on masculinity? He isn't, bit it's where the concept of Toxic Masculinity comes from. Only if you deliberately exclude those that are. But why would you do that? Because he believes gender is a …
/r/LeftWingMaleAdvocates08/12/19 11:28 PM
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Him: Yes, men in power have been acting in impunity, but so have women. Me: Not to the degree and frequency relative to their position in power. You: How do you know this? How in the hell would you even quantify that? By power I'm referring to the take down of several elite public figures. I'm not refferring to the abstract of exerting power over anyone else which could happen anywhere. It's not something that can be 100% certain, but the inverse would imply that for all these high-profile men t…
/r/LeftWingMaleAdvocates08/12/19 09:53 PM
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I also wanted to address some other things you mentioned. I mean if women select tall men over short men, that's not a form of masculinity, it's a form of femininity. Well I don't think height is a particularly effective argument, there are certain expectations for men to be tall. But for anyone who says "to be a real man you must be tall" it would fall under many of the same arguments made with Toxic Masculinity but because people don't "be tall" because of a societal construct it's not the bes…
/r/LeftWingMaleAdvocates08/12/19 09:40 PM
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why you describe it as a subset of masculinity One. Because where the term originates doesn't do so say Masculinity is Toxic. Shepard Bliss of the Mythopoetic Men's Movement in 1995 There are many masculinities. Masculinity is not singular or monolithic. Masculinity varies from man to man, from family to family, and from culture to culture… Masculinity is a learned behavior and as such can be changed. Masculinities are made, not born. Toxic Masculinity poisons through means such as neglect, abus…
/r/LeftWingMaleAdvocates08/12/19 09:33 PM
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It's a qualifier. Like bad behavior describes forms of behavior that are bad. Toxic Masculinity describes aspects of Masculinity that is harmful to men, others, and their relationships.
/r/LeftWingMaleAdvocates08/12/19 08:43 PM
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People are using the term wrong all across the spectrum, including Feminists, but not exclusively so. Additionally, some feminists will use the term correctly. What more unclear in the comment is whether "emotional labor" is in quotes to question it's existence ("rationalizing" it into existence) in either the word-form of Emotional Work or Emotional Labor, or to emphasize it's misappropriation in that context. Hochschild is a Feminist, and any Feminist perpetuating the conflation between emotio…
/r/LeftWingMaleAdvocates08/12/19 06:12 PM
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Some are being honest. Some end up as hypocrites, or at least don't want to be the actual person to do it. It's also possible that the feminist asking someone to open up and the woman who dumped a guy for opening up are different people.
/r/LeftWingMaleAdvocates08/12/19 03:59 PM
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fancy new rationalisation called "emotional labour". Emotional labor is the process of managing feelings and expressions to fulfill the emotional requirements of a job ... Roles that have been identified as requiring emotional labor include those involved in public administration, espionage, law, caring for children, medical care, social work; most roles in a hospitality and food service; and jobs in the media ... Hochschild (1983) argues that within this commodification process, service workers…
/r/LeftWingMaleAdvocates08/12/19 03:16 PM
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Then stop telling people that stats on false accusers will cause an overreaction That's not a fair characterization of what i said, I saw there's a lot of fear mongering around the subject, including OP that makes Menslib have to push back about the notion that there's an "epidemic". And in many ways there is already an overreaction. Just look back at my very first comment Sounds a lot like there's something wrong with the phrase. Almost like we should use a different term... Cool, I'm not here …
/r/LeftWingMaleAdvocates08/12/19 05:58 AM
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If statistics are not representative of individuals and abuse/rape should be assessed case-by-case, then what point are feminists trying to prove by parading these numbers? No one in the Western world would argue that rape is good. Asking the wrong person. Stats represent likelihoods, not guarantees. Toxic Masculinity is often used as a gendered slur and it's about time we recognize that. You can't claim intersectionality when there are clearly people who disagree with the term I literally just …
/r/LeftWingMaleAdvocates08/12/19 05:35 AM
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No real complaints with this explaination. There is a bit of a discussion as to who should be the listener, and whether there's responsibilty to be placed at anyone's particular feet. Because at the end of the day, it's not obligatory, people should just be more aware or sensitive. But in general, if you are able to, and it safe for you to do so, you should allow people to.
/r/LeftWingMaleAdvocates08/12/19 02:34 AM
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If you think the same is true for rape, murder, kidnapping, child abuse, etc, then I can get on board with you. There are people who get hysterical about those kinds of things, when usually you don't have to worry about them. Pointed out elsewhere false accusations like child abuse during divorce is quite high so there is more nuance to be had on any particular Issue. But yes. I don't feel credibly afraid of most things happening to me besides being in a car accident. That doesn't mean I'll leav…
/r/LeftWingMaleAdvocates08/12/19 02:17 AM
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We all have our own critiques. And I think there's be a good deal of agreement on some issues. But it's something we've chosen not discuss in that space for various reasons. I also would be willing to place a wager that the mod team are less likely to identify as card carrying members than the subreddit populace. But a larger part of the user base is. We've chosen to be allies in general but that doesn't mean we think the same things they do. We can take a look at this subreddit. How many are ex…
/r/LeftWingMaleAdvocates08/12/19 01:04 AM
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I can only encourage you to read the three discussions I had below to get my perspective. But not allowing anti-feminism doesn't mean we agree with all aspects of feminism, or all of feminism. Primarily we are concerned with removing outrage and blame that distracts from solutions.
/r/LeftWingMaleAdvocates08/12/19 12:12 AM
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To anyone who really thinks MensLib is "false flag", before you exit this thread take a moment away from whatever else you're doing and read the complete conversation I'm having with EgalitarianWhistle, OnceFa2, and ElfmanV in this thread. You're doing the discourse a disfavor. And the notion that MensLib and Feminism are close enough to be considered between a backslash doesn't reflect the theory of thought differences between the two, nor does it consider the complete lack of formal associatio…
/r/LeftWingMaleAdvocates07/12/19 11:25 PM
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first parahraphs Are we talking about the expansive list of accusations or specifically rape here? Because I'm not talking about child custody slander, granted it's part of the the larger picture about people who live not getting fair punishment but what I'm trying to focus on is whether a typically man has a credible fear to think he will be credibly accused of rape/sexual assault. Even in it's unlikeness I'm not willing to say it's insignificant, I just don't think a lot of the response is lev…
/r/LeftWingMaleAdvocates07/12/19 11:20 PM
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These are seperate structures and how they are navigated and talked about are different. They ways people hide from accountability are different. The level of Justice that's served is different even if proven. I think you've summed up the issues I'm not saying this justifies is to treat victims differenty. Just that discussion has corners that are different in their complexity. And solving those inequites when they intersect with other issues will require different approaches. You can't talk abo…
/r/LeftWingMaleAdvocates07/12/19 11:09 PM
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That's so disengenious to what I said. The antecedent of "those people" refer to the full context of your comment. There is an entire movement that weaponizes victimhood by giving all women, and only women, the power to accuse and convict without due process. All while manipulating the statistics and controlling the narrative. There is a lot to be fearful of. Those people = the movement of people doing those things.
/r/LeftWingMaleAdvocates07/12/19 09:01 PM
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And the above comment is entirely why we've chosen to be in general allies (although we have out own and individual list if exemptions - many I've expressed here today) and to disapprove of anti-feminism in the subreddit. It isn't productive. And it opens another door to treat the other gender in unequal terms. There are other concerns though too. There's a seperate spate of users who then also dance into communities like the Alt-Right. Something LWMA has noticed and went out to form this commun…
/r/LeftWingMaleAdvocates07/12/19 08:53 PM
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If there is outrage it's because it has happened to me and many others. We've already hashed that out. And it's incredibly important that when people come in contact with an injustice that they take leadership in making equity. But it's still an annecdote and an emotional response. I'll work on it, but not on terms that are trying to prove "how prevelent false rape is", we've already gone through this. Let's work on sentencing, let's work on Definitions. What I accused Menslib of is deleting fac…
/r/LeftWingMaleAdvocates07/12/19 08:32 PM
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You wouldn't let a rapist free just because there's a worse serial rapist out there. Agreed. But part of #MeToo is about people in power, even regardless of gender. You wouldn't stop policing an area for sexual assault just because the neighbouring town is the rape capital. There is a finite resource for cops. Either the first neighborhood isn't policed or the rape capitol does without full enforcement. The women's suffrage movement decided to pursue African American freedom first, despite injus…
/r/LeftWingMaleAdvocates07/12/19 08:12 PM
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There is a lot to be fearful of. Then be fearful of those people. Don't be afraid you'll be falsely accused of rape.
/r/LeftWingMaleAdvocates07/12/19 07:45 PM
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There's also a population of women believing a "rape epidemic." It's Men'sLib. We're not interested in blame. We're interested in solutions. The responsibility does lie on both genders. But we'd rather be an ally than an adversary. That's how you get unequal relationships between the sexes. Do you make the same argument to feminists when they grossly distort the number of rapes and compltely ignore female on male rape? I don't talk to many Feminists at all online. Much of it is hashtag activism …
/r/LeftWingMaleAdvocates07/12/19 07:13 PM
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False allegations are definitely not rare. It's a common issue in society with a lot of social commentary, real world consequences, and a large number of victims. In terms of what? It's not common relative to the amount of men in this country and the population that will be accused at some point. Is it something receiving a lot of attention and something we should address to some degree since it disparately effect men? Sure. But mitigate that emotional response when someone fears it's an "epidem…
/r/LeftWingMaleAdvocates07/12/19 07:10 PM
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2-11% is the FLOOR, not the range. Yes. This is better language. My point is a response to specifically this sentiment you made: Saying that 98% of rape accusations are true is manipulating the stats to the point of just telling actual lies. I and Men'sLib did not cite 2%. We cited A range. (2-10%). And in the case of my post I carried that range at every point. The OP uses these numbers as the absolute range, I can at least only direct you to my post where I make good effort to express it as an…
/r/LeftWingMaleAdvocates07/12/19 07:05 PM
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Yes, men in power have been acting in impunity, but so have women. Not to the degree and frequency relative to their position in power. Which is why when talking about MeToo you have to decide if you're talking about Twitter and the hyper-local it of you're talking about systemic indifference and deference in corporate America to the privileged. If we're talking about average Joe and Nancy, no, I agree with you, it's quite irrelevant. I have said repeatedly, in aggregate there are compelling arg…
/r/LeftWingMaleAdvocates07/12/19 06:47 PM
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Because there's a population of men believing a "False Rape Epidemic", men who in their jobs report that they are more scared to talk to women at work post me-too, men who choose not to talk to women at all in work environments. There are men afraid a false accusation will be laid against them, when they need not be. I'm not making an argument about which side is isn't getting justice. Its solely a baseline to understand how much of it really is a problem, how much attention it needs where there…
/r/LeftWingMaleAdvocates07/12/19 06:39 PM
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The prevalent counter argument for "toxic masculinity" when men don't like the term is that it "doesn't describe ALL men, men suffer from it too". That's not a counterargument. It's the factual truth. Toxic Masculinity isn't inherrant in men. Just like accusations do not apply to all women or men. Men'sLib is entirely dedicated to not allowing All Men arguments. It's inherrant in out intersectional approach.
/r/LeftWingMaleAdvocates07/12/19 05:27 PM
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definition of rape, CDC data I've already hashed this out elsewhere here. I'll just point you to those comments. You're also falling for the problem of only equating provably false rapes with the actual rate of false accusations. There's no data, that's part of the problem. I could just as well say that between 1% and 11% of rapes are true, and therefore 89% to 99% are false. Also talked about in another comment. There's a real line somewhere in there and I explain elsewhere how I see that ambig…
/r/LeftWingMaleAdvocates07/12/19 05:22 PM
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Did Mens lib take the criticism under advisment? I'm not really going to get into moderations styles here. It's pretty clear why I'm having this conversation here. I didn't write that post. Saying that 98% of rape accusations are true is manipulating the stats to the point of just telling actual lies. This is not the case being made. The point is that about the relative fear people have about being falsey accused. /u/Blobbartus got that right. It is unlikely to be falsely accused and even less l…
/r/LeftWingMaleAdvocates07/12/19 05:15 PM
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A big part of the conversation involves the silver bullet / nuclear option in family court ... the harm caused just to children because of parental alienation is greater than the theoretical harm that would have been caused, had the allegations been true. Granted, but I'm not talking about family court or any other accusation besides sexual assualt/rape. I'm not going to cite unlikely rape statistics in an argument about family court and frivalous lawsuits. I honestly think it's a hard question …
/r/LeftWingMaleAdvocates07/12/19 04:59 PM
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If, according to you, statistics do nothing but fearmonger, why advertise these stats? I didn't say that. Why pit confirmed false estimates with self-reported rape. I think you have a compelling argument there. I would love to see self-reported false accusations. To help gauge where exactly the real line is between the confirmed false, and the convicted. I would be willing engage with whatever number of people in their experience have been raped, and that would include men since the criminal sta…
/r/LeftWingMaleAdvocates07/12/19 04:51 PM
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The majority of metoo accusations are nothing but self-selecting anecdotes They're only self selecting if you're choosing to only look at them, and collect those stories because that's the problem I had with EgalitarianWhistle's posting. He's advocating a repository of annecdotes and calling it evidence. I completely agree, directing people to a repository of MeToo stories would have the same implications. Still, I think there's some difference between average Joe and the high profile public fig…
/r/LeftWingMaleAdvocates07/12/19 04:28 PM
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One caveat is that it applies to a wider range of false allegations that include other forms of "gendered" abuse and assault (ie, "he hit me", when he really didn't). That's a pretty big caveat. But I'll look into that. 33% of child abuse in custody battles are false. This is part of what I'm trying to show about general population versus the total population these studies concern themselves with. For starters if you are unmarried or without child you cannot be accused of child abuse. So you fir…
/r/LeftWingMaleAdvocates07/12/19 03:34 PM
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I meant that in terms of women raping men ... why do I go to jail for an average of five years if I'm a man for doing the exact same thing as a woman ... keep abortion legal and free for rape survivors, ... feminists should be asking for a fifty/fifty chance in a court of law. But instead they asked for a 100% belief ... If a false rape accusation can be proven to have been made with malicious intent, then that person must be punished at a level in league with what the accused would have gotten.…
/r/LeftWingMaleAdvocates07/12/19 03:22 PM
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2-10% of rape accusations made by men against women to be false. I said 2-10% of rape accusations are false. A disclaimer I should include then is that "this number does not include female on male rape that doesn't include penetration of the anus" India Nothing about that is going to do anything for me, the men in my life our my country. It's solely fear-mongering. Yes, it's not fair. I'm not talking to Indians though. There's a point where world solidarity is important. But it's just outside th…
/r/LeftWingMaleAdvocates07/12/19 08:42 AM
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We should treat every accusation with 50/50. And I only qualify this by saying at the individual level. Not necessarily you, but Men'slib is combatting the idea of a False Rape Epidemic. That false accusations deserve equal time, discussion, and political capital as rapists and their abusers. But we don't. If I take it personally, it's because a close friend of mine was falsely accused of rape on social media. When I tried to present evidence that it was false, I was shouted down that I was a "r…
/r/LeftWingMaleAdvocates07/12/19 08:33 AM
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In my linked comment I have a disclaimer on the assumptions that had to be made when expressing the percentage as a baseline understanding. What other disclaimers should I add that are not included in the data? And if available, what are those estimated totals?
/r/LeftWingMaleAdvocates07/12/19 07:53 AM
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Except you only took the lifetime numbers and you left out the fact that female on male "made to penetrate" sexual assault is NOT classified as rape according to the CDC. (That is to say, if a woman drugs me and forces herself on me with penetrative sex against my will, that is not counted in the numbers you just quoted me.) I'm not saying the data is perfect. Or that classifications shouldn't be changed. In my linked comment I make a fairly lengthy disclaimer about what assumptions I had to mak…
/r/LeftWingMaleAdvocates07/12/19 07:34 AM
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If the idea behind that post is "false accusations are probably relatively rare compared to actual sexual assault etc., or at least they are not frequent enough to justify (reflexively) disbelieving an alleged victim or not taking them seriously"... This is in large parts the intent. It's what I point out the most when having discussions about False Accusations. You first have to dig into the reason as to why it's being brought up in the first place. And it's almost always "I'm scared because it…
/r/LeftWingMaleAdvocates07/12/19 06:31 AM
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why not both male (and female) friendships AND a romantic partnership)? I didn't get the impression that only one was being advocated for. She does question Yarrow's work but it probably has more to do with her knowing more of his work and comments than just what is mentioned in the book, and she seems to ciriticize more of his reasoning and subsequent stances than the material assertstions his book makes. but to me it almost reads like she thinks being in a heterosexual relationship is on some …
/r/LeftWingMaleAdvocates04/12/19 01:03 AM
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I think it's framed that way because she's responding to the part of the discourse who are saying those things. Granted, like you said she could simply put it to the side.
/r/LeftWingMaleAdvocates03/12/19 11:54 PM
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Thanks for taking the time. It seems that your complaints are mostly rhetorical? Not that the conclusions or issues she raises are wrong?
/r/LeftWingMaleAdvocates03/12/19 11:32 PM
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How? and About What?
/r/LeftWingMaleAdvocates03/12/19 10:32 PM
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Who's gloating? About what?
/r/LeftWingMaleAdvocates03/12/19 10:23 PM
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The fuss in the U.S. is at least due to it's Puritan roots.
/r/LeftWingMaleAdvocates30/11/19 10:00 PM
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I didn't say they were everywhere. Just showing such a community does exist.
/r/LeftWingMaleAdvocates26/11/19 07:33 AM
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You will be VERY hard pressed to find a men’s rights activist that is a woman. /r/FeMRA
/r/LeftWingMaleAdvocates26/11/19 07:15 AM
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Unfortunately, men's libs, at least on reddit, works just as hard to reinforce negative stereotypes (about men) and traditional gender roles as feminism does. And /u/LacklustreFriend MensLib ≠ men's liberation. I would go far as to say they are antithetical men's liberation from gender roles. What are you guys going on about? That's literally the focus of the subreddit. There's way more men there concerned with defining a new Masculinity and just overwriting a new way to conform and police men t…
/r/LeftWingMaleAdvocates26/11/19 07:14 AM
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Look. I feel like this discussion keeps on expanding more and more into assumptions about each other. My original comment was to explain a perspective. I didn't say how useful it was or anything else. Just that point of view. I do think there are some things left over from the original construction of society (like breadwinning) that still influence is. Those would be covered under a patriarchal argument. Some of them may also be present under the Toxic Masculinity umbrella. I think there is roo…
/r/LeftWingMaleAdvocates23/11/19 06:38 PM
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By claiming these traits stem from patriarchy you are ruling out that another power structure can benefit from these traits and for seperate rationales and reasons, which is a common feminist misdirect I said: I wouldn't call TM part of patriarchy. But I can see how it favors and perpetuates those behaviors. That does not rule out other ways you night arrive the same same destination. I am only explaining that one point. I am not talking about other power structures. I have not said other power …
/r/LeftWingMaleAdvocates23/11/19 06:24 PM
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It's silly to pretend that women don't also have norms that they have constructed to benefit women as a group at the expense of men. Where have I said this? It is not necessary that a woman support patriarchy to support sexism and to teach men toxic masculinity, she could be supporting a different power structure. Yes, but when those norms after ingrained, or when they are useful to advance in the world people will perpetuate it. Not every woman of a feminist. Not every woman is educated to thin…
/r/LeftWingMaleAdvocates23/11/19 04:54 PM
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I'm not going to comment in this precise situation I appreciate that, ... but it's completely irrelevant to my situation. Great. Wasn't supposed to. The reason I didn't get into this specific instance was because I couldn't tell if the story about being taught by women toxic behaviors and someone telling you at some point that it's also because of the patriarchy was the same person. So I didn't want to comment on whether they used it correctly for this case, because if it was a different person …
/r/LeftWingMaleAdvocates22/11/19 08:23 PM
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This process of learning "toxic masculinity" from women is, for some reason, considered to be part of "patriarchy". I'm not going to comment in this precise situation, but in general this comes from women adopting the same masculinist values that are required to advance in a male dominated space. As opposed to a healthy balance of traits or even being able to advance on their "feminine" traits alone. As an example this would be the female banker who is just as aggressive in the workplace, just a…
/r/LeftWingMaleAdvocates22/11/19 05:20 PM
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Mansplaining: Rebecca Solnit, author on subjects such as feminism, the environment, politics, place, and art. Men Explain things to me, 2014. What else?
/r/LeftWingMaleAdvocates30/10/19 05:14 PM
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Toxic Masculinity wasn't coined by feminists. It was coined by Shepard Bliss of the mythopoetic men's movement in the early-mid 1990s
/r/LeftWingMaleAdvocates30/10/19 01:24 PM
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Are you saying that what I said is transactional?
/r/LeftWingMaleAdvocates17/10/19 06:01 PM
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What makes you assume that?
/r/LeftWingMaleAdvocates16/10/19 06:26 PM
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He should probably realise that if he is having problems coping with life, rejection and navigating the world that he should see a therapist. They're job is to listen and help, your friends are not obligated too and often have their own capacities that need to be considered. Using your friends, including your significant other as a place to vent your feelings while at the same time dismissing their advice and reaction is poor way to have a realtionship with someone.
/r/LeftWingMaleAdvocates16/10/19 06:25 PM
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If you can set a standard for what high quality photos are than fine. No memes. No outrage porn. No screenshots. Maybe if there was some good marketing you saw and what to share it could be good. But I think any picture still needs to be provided text for discussion. Which disallowing image sumbissions and putting it in a self-post is the easiest way to enforce that.
/r/LeftWingMaleAdvocates08/10/19 04:44 PM
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Sorry. I missed that. I guess I never realized it was that old and on shelves for 20 years. I only knew about it from the 90s so it seemed like the book was new. A friend of Cox's told the press that Cox had been inspired by the Kuwait Airways Flight 422 hijacking and by the novel Rage, which Cox had read over and over again and with which he strongly identified. Police found a copy of Rage among the possessions in Pierce's bedroom, leading to speculation that he had been inspired to carry out t…
/r/LeftWingMaleAdvocates08/10/19 04:38 PM
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Stephen King requested that his novel Rage#Connections_to_actual_school_shootings) (published under the pseudonym Richard Bachman), a novel about a disaffected young man who shoots up his school, be pulled from shelves after numerous school shooters were found to have read it. Source? My understanding was that there was a recent shooting and it's release was such bad form, as it would have essentially mirrored the recent crime. I haven't seen anything that said actual shooters had read it and po…
/r/LeftWingMaleAdvocates08/10/19 03:21 PM
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SPOILERS: . . . Just saw the movie. The criticisms are innacurate. There's not much at all about masculinity but the Joker does represent the alienated white male. In the movie this is shown through the loss of social services and what few relationships he has, in a city bent on class warfare. Joker begins to disintegrate in a society that he is invisible to, and when people take notice after he murders people he finally feels heard - even celebrated. And rather building solidarity for revolutio…
/r/LeftWingMaleAdvocates08/10/19 03:18 PM
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I think it's always important to remind people with polls like this that there's still women out there that agree with people in the sub, and that the idea that women will only date major financial providers is not some end-all crisis/pilled view of the world. Odds are that people here who share these views also have the social circles where it's more common for women to agree. Granted it won't help as much for a tinder date or a random bar outing, but the opinions of a majority who is not aroun…
/r/LeftWingMaleAdvocates04/10/19 02:23 AM
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Here's a write-up I did for my other subreddit. https://www.reddit.com/r/TexasPolitics/comments/cqapnl/annoucement_regarding_the_submission_of_amp_links/
/r/LeftWingMaleAdvocates27/09/19 10:35 PM
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It's also an AMPed link.
/r/LeftWingMaleAdvocates27/09/19 10:17 PM
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Men carry a burden of performance: they have to prove themselves through their actions. As Roy Baumeister points out, in many societies, when girls grow up they are automatically considered women, while boys are expected to pass stringent tests to prove their manhood. This is known as "Precarious Masculinity/Manhood".
/r/LeftWingMaleAdvocates27/09/19 05:43 AM
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We do agree. On the subject of Toxic Masculinity (unlike Patriarchy) I don't see it a feminist coding. It's from a more basic understanding of gender equality and liberation. And while used by feminists, they don't own it and is mostly rejected because it's frequent association and is purported to be weaponized by feminsts to control men... Which isn't... Anywhere close to true... And this has more to do with divide between feminism and the rest of the manosphere than it does with the usefulness…
/r/LeftWingMaleAdvocates23/09/19 07:06 AM
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I don't have anything against the first half. And I really do agree. The point of tracing it's origin is to identify how power structures created the society we are in. But I think you can have that as a completely seperate discussion. There's creation, and then there's enforcement. Both men and women enforce toxic gender ideals. The thing is most people don't understand this specific language because most people are not well-read on gender studies. Why on earth would you choose language that is…
/r/LeftWingMaleAdvocates23/09/19 06:31 AM
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Instead, the author is pointing out that evidence of male disadvantage nullifies the feminist argument I don't mean to revisit something from 3 hours ago, but that would be ignoring grammar conventions. It's possible what you say is the authors intent but that's not what's on the page. Although feminism claims to rest on scientific observation, and although feminists of all stripes tend to cite irrefutable-seeming statistics about the wage gap, violence against women, sexual harassment, and the …
/r/LeftWingMaleAdvocates23/09/19 04:36 AM
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I conceeded, as did it's author, the entirety of the Duluth experiment. Let's work on that, but I swear I hear nothing mentioned more from people who oppose Feminism than the Duluth model. I find much of the criticism to be unproductive, and distracting. Female supremecy is anti-gender equality. And anyone walking around under a feminism umbrella saying as much can fuck off. Looking at you TERFs. (Edit: and that definitely includes professors) have been 'oppressed' by being forced to fight in wa…
/r/LeftWingMaleAdvocates23/09/19 04:12 AM
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than it is understandable for people to dislike feminism as a movement? And I'm trying to illustrate to you that the newest branches of it are not like the old. I seriously doubt 'conscription' only goes as far back as Prussia, at least in practical terms. It doesn't. It does to Rome. Modern conscription goes to Prussia. they will be hamstrung by flawed and sexists concepts and terms such as 'patriarchy', 'toxic masculinity', And I am saying that toxic masculinity is the new feminism approach to…
/r/LeftWingMaleAdvocates23/09/19 03:36 AM
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Right. "4th wave" feminists are so supportive of men that they write articles asking "Why can't we hate men?" No movement is a monolith. I can only point out trends and what's been outmoded. I also try really hard to never read opinion opeds in the national papers. It's a grade less than even pop-feminism. I think really, the only thing we might disagree on is whether the patriarchy is why men suffer too. We agree on the substance and issues and reform. Do really think most conflict in human his…
/r/LeftWingMaleAdvocates23/09/19 03:12 AM
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No, modern feminism is about female supremacy. For example, feminists fought for years against the idea that domestic violence is experienced and perpetuated at similar rates against and by males and females, The Duluth experiment was 1981 somewhere between the second and third waves of feminism. From Wikipedia: Critics argue that the method can be ineffective as it was developed without minority communities in mind and can fail to address root psychological or emotional causes of abuse, in addi…
/r/LeftWingMaleAdvocates23/09/19 02:42 AM
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nullifies the feminist argument that males are 'patriarchal oppressors' and females are uniquely 'oppressed'. Modern Feminism supports that women might be uniquely oppressed but not exclusively. Both men and women suffer under traditional gender norms. "Historical injustice" makes no sense in terms of gender. Both males and females have male and female ancestors. Extant males to not share any more commonality to their male ancestors than their female ancestors, and vice versa By historic justice…
/r/LeftWingMaleAdvocates23/09/19 02:01 AM
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Oh I'd certainly go farther back. But the recency of it's injustice proves it's relevance. Interesting bit about th fence. It's one reason why we have government, to be a slower moving body that filters change. But that doesn't really change social interactions on an individual level. I'd much rather have the fence owner inform me of the importance of the fence and let me decide if there should still be a fence rather that allow it's current existence explain it's continued importance or the ass…
/r/LeftWingMaleAdvocates22/09/19 10:44 PM
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.1. Our initial state of patriarchy should not have continued past a certain point of advancement. Men creating laws in 1900 bear responsibility of continuing inegalitarian society. And current people (men & woman) bear acknowledgement that they refused to relinquish status and power. If a man born today feels he has some sort original sin it's because he lacks the naunce between this distinction. Same goes to any woman to blame a man today based on his birth. But if the modern man cannot contro…
/r/LeftWingMaleAdvocates22/09/19 10:08 PM
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[Traditional norms] aren't "wrong" because they are old. The goal is to allow deviation from them; to allow choice. We agree. What's wrapped in my use of "traditional" there is specifically the values that no longer work or relate in a modern world. There are certainly specific traditional norms that were wrong, are wrong, and most likely will remain wrong. (such as coverture). No such societies exist, or are known to have ever existed. Aside from supporting my original point, this would also su…
/r/LeftWingMaleAdvocates22/09/19 09:20 PM
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Although feminism claims to rest on scientific observation, and although feminists of all stripes tend to cite irrefutable-seeming statistics about the wage gap, violence against women, sexual harassment, and the glass ceiling, etc., all of these not only fail to stand up to objective scrutiny but are effectively nullified by other statistics showing female advantage and male suffering, including numbers regarding male suicide, workplace fatalities, health outcomes and longevity, real wages and …
/r/LeftWingMaleAdvocates22/09/19 07:42 PM
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Also, men have more workplace deaths and workplace injuries. I've yet to see feminists tackle those issues. Well just like woman are choosing to be home instead of overtime men are choosing more dangerous jobs. But feminists do talk about, just not in your spheres it seems. https://www.reddit.com/r/MensLib/search/?q=Deaths&restrict_sr=1 Liz Plank just did in her book "For the Love of Men". It's not perfect but it's certainly discussed.
/r/LeftWingMaleAdvocates22/09/19 07:32 PM
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All of this is blaming on historicity (and really, men) what was for the vast majority of human history biological necessity. So I'm going to take biological essentialism aside and just talk about who's to blame and how that manifests today. Historical Men Patriarchy are to blame under feminism. That isn't to say you can point at any man in the street today and say he's bad. And not even necessarily that you can do it to a man that prefers a traditional arrangement. You can't however say a women…
/r/LeftWingMaleAdvocates22/09/19 07:17 PM
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The conversation is unequal the way feminists—yourself included—have it. Most of the articles about toxic masculinity that feminists they produce are about how it hurts women, not men (that's a footnote). You can case by case accuse certain feminists of this. But you can't say that about me where I specifically frame the issues of "toxic masculinity are the ways traditonally masculinity is unhealthy to men". Being overtly agrresive and dominant can result in violence towards women. But it's also…
/r/LeftWingMaleAdvocates22/09/19 07:06 PM
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That's fair. But putting oneself and others in that situation is a pretty harmful decision in and of itself. Of course, but should the law dictate punishment for private decisions that were ultimately and inherently harmful to a marriage? How one decides on how the law is changed doesn't change what justice is. "Some" are wrong (which some is a matter of debate). It doesn't matter whether I'm French or Chinese, there is but one justice. To you. And the law ideally reflects serving justice. It do…
/r/LeftWingMaleAdvocates22/09/19 05:59 PM
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It's almost as if I addressed this. I'm just trying to make it clear that what one sees as injustice isn't injustice to everyone (but not that you should advocate for it - but really should at least be french I suppose) and that sometimes there's a real decision to put one form of justice over another. Where does that say Germany stopped? Prior to this reform, paternity could only be contested for two years after birth And since? It's saying you can contest it later after 2008 vis DNA. And as a …
/r/LeftWingMaleAdvocates22/09/19 04:41 PM
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It's essentially just calling rape jokes and conservative culture "toxic," and because it's men acting that way, it's "masculinity." Conservative women are more likely to be stay-at-home moms; is that "toxic femininity?" Conservative women are also more likely to own guns; is that "toxic femininity?" Do women make rape jokes like men? Rape jokes are toxic regardless of gender, but men seem to be much more comfortable doing so, up to the point where they even joke about other men getting raped or…
/r/LeftWingMaleAdvocates22/09/19 04:12 PM
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You don't think that the burden of making that accusation [risking marriage and half his assets] before the court would essentially deter all attempts at confirming paternity within the window within which the dad would avoid child support? I don't see why it matters if you're already looking divorce in the face and trying not to have to pay child support, particularly when the divorce itself is already set of by learning your wife was unfaithful. Sure, a happy marriage and an unsuspecting husba…
/r/LeftWingMaleAdvocates22/09/19 03:47 PM
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The reason for the law is to protect the kid, right? In France, yes. But there is legal precedence.. In Germany, this is not true. If it is a mother demanding for child support from the “father”, the father has to be as defined in the German law. A Father under German law (§ 1592 Bürgerliches Gesetzbuch) is defined as the man: Married to the mother of the child Who accepts the pregnancy (one who signs the “Vaterschaftsanerkennung”) Whose paternity has been declared by a court (e.g. in cases of a…
/r/LeftWingMaleAdvocates22/09/19 06:16 AM
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Whoops. Let me fix that.
/r/LeftWingMaleAdvocates22/09/19 05:03 AM
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Simply repeating what's been said doesn't answer a question where I admit I don't understand. You're saying that (in France/Germany) a man should be able to walk away from a child he was supporting since birth for let's say 5-10 years (whether he knew at the time of birth if he was the father or not) and not be obligated to pay child support?
/r/LeftWingMaleAdvocates22/09/19 04:47 AM
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Correct, this is unjust in the case where the parents are already divorced. How is it unjust? A man can still go to court to prove he isn't the father. Where does it say he's still on the hook for child that isn't his when he hasn't already raised the child for several years and thusly reliquishing his ability to refuse the status of a parent?
/r/LeftWingMaleAdvocates22/09/19 04:20 AM
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The French law also applies equally. And you still admitted that whatever you implied was incorrect after my first reply. Germany's law is not that different from Frances, besides that it doesn't require a court order - only a licensed physician. Women regularly need to get paternity tests... So I think you're saying that women in these cases have no incentive to be tested, and therefore will just refuse. The law enables people who lie about paternity for money in essentially the same way: child…
/r/LeftWingMaleAdvocates22/09/19 02:35 AM
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[Germany] made it illegal for a father to get a paternity test without the mother's consent. Just stop. The law applies equally. The new legislation requires that all testing is conducted by a licensed physician with the patient's consent, effectively outlawing direct-to-consumer testing which generally advertises to consumers without doctor involvement. Paternity testing will require consent from both alleged biological parents with the exception of sexual abuse and rape cases in an attempt to …
/r/LeftWingMaleAdvocates22/09/19 01:30 AM
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Got a source on that? Cause that's not true. Paternity tests were banned in France [25] years ago ... In France, paternity tests may be carried out only on a judge’s orders and with the consent of those involved. Some 1,500 tests are done legally in France each year.
/r/LeftWingMaleAdvocates22/09/19 01:04 AM
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The submission headline is a little misleading. From the author; This confession should not be interpreted as arguing that gender is not, in many cases, socially constructed. But critics of the social constructionists are right to raise their eyebrows at the so-called proof presented by alleged experts. And this is a long individual's mea culpa about how am individual changed their mind based on faulty premises but largely avoids how exactly that reason was faulty or how they actually came to ch…
/r/LeftWingMaleAdvocates22/09/19 12:57 AM
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Instead, and more congruent with what I'd presume are most of the subs values, I would advocate making the arrangement explicit rather than implicit... Everyone should consent to whatever arrangement they find pleases them. Judging by the votes in this thread it isn't the case.
/r/LeftWingMaleAdvocates21/09/19 12:27 AM
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Cause 99% of people these days are into sleeping around instead of committing to and loving one person This is a great example of how you are hyperbolizing the cause of issues into a single factor.
/r/LeftWingMaleAdvocates20/09/19 11:27 PM
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Well OP who I replied to about the EITC proposal is a "economic socialist". You don't agree. Fine.
/r/LeftWingMaleAdvocates20/09/19 10:59 PM
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More people in the labour force means lower real wages. Higher supply for labour w/ same demand. Women began working more when there was a need for more workers. If you took women out of the workforce today wages wouldn't skyrocket. The economy would collapse. And even today there's plenty of career paths that are still mostly gender segregated. You're essentially saying women "stole men's jobs". Women didn't keep wages stagnate, the companies did. The increase of production should being the min…
/r/LeftWingMaleAdvocates20/09/19 10:47 PM
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For the last time I'm not bemoaning it as unpaid, I'm saying people are just now coming to terms policy-wise that other forms of labor which do not receive payment have value. And that concept is mirrored in a singular progressive tax proposal about an expansive framework as to what qualifies for "work" under the EITC and who is being legislated out of the social safety net. This is leftwingmaleadvocates. And that men as do women, need to realize this changing dynamic and see that being a provid…
/r/LeftWingMaleAdvocates20/09/19 10:33 PM
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They couldn't even have a credit card until 1974. Women shopping at the expense to their husband's bank account is financial oppression of men. You are peddling the very same injustice that is discussed here by framing it backwards. Women were 34% of the workforce in 1945. Not a single one of them could have their own bank account until the 60s. Credit cards in the 70s. You are framing it backwards!
/r/LeftWingMaleAdvocates20/09/19 10:06 PM
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I never said it wasn't rewarding. Work is rewarding too! Labor is rewarding. Both forms of labor are rewarding. Sometimes caretaking isn't seen as work (labor) because it doesn't come with a paycheck. That's the only point I'm making here. I don't hate kids. I don't find them unrewarding.
/r/LeftWingMaleAdvocates20/09/19 10:03 PM
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Explain Number 1, if you can. And women like number 2 do exist but men working to support their family is not slavery. And you can't claim men working as slavery and prefer a traditional arrangement where women stayed home...
/r/LeftWingMaleAdvocates20/09/19 10:00 PM
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Before men worked 40 and women worked 0. Now men work 60 and women work 40 And that's women's fault?
/r/LeftWingMaleAdvocates20/09/19 09:35 PM
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There is no abuse if there is no control. Taking advantage of someone is not abuse. Taking advantage of someone is taking control, of the situation and ultimately the result. But I agree that there are larger societal pressures here than malicious and concious decisions. To which an individual is solely to blame.
/r/LeftWingMaleAdvocates20/09/19 09:29 PM
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The implication of the complaint is that someone should be paying them for what they do. The point is that people ought to realize that there's value in labor even when it is unpaid. And labor is not a vacation.
/r/LeftWingMaleAdvocates20/09/19 09:24 PM
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Their payment was 50%+ of their husband's income. They lived of his labour. First of, I don't see how viewing a wife's support in the home as a transaction to to be helpful. But the idea that his wages are shared for the entire family is fine. So let's look into that. Otherwise known at the Family Wage. It nearly required a nucleur household with a male breadwinner. In fact the idea of the family wage and that men would often be paid more historically on the notion they had a family to support. …
/r/LeftWingMaleAdvocates20/09/19 09:21 PM
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Equality goes both ways but they don't get it The lack of self-awareness is staggering.
/r/LeftWingMaleAdvocates20/09/19 09:09 PM
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you should be paid for this at all. It is very strange to expect otherwise. It's a tax credit, not a paycheck, you have to earn $14,000 before you qualify currently. What if you're not married, filing seperately and taking care of both of their kids? What if you move in with him, and take care of his kid every day. It's about identifying people who don't currently qualify as performing "work" yet are still making an economic contribution to the country (rasing children). It's about understanding…
/r/LeftWingMaleAdvocates20/09/19 09:06 PM
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100 years ago, cleaning a house was safer than mining coal. Now, with the kids at school and labour saving devices, being a stay-at-home is essentially like being on vacation. [Men need to stop] allowing their wives to stay at home and reap the fruits of their labour once the kids are in school. Fuck. Do you even have kids? Have you taken care of anyone? Stay at home whatever-gender-you-are is work. It's labor. And historically it's been unpaid labor. Only now have we started to hear proposals a…
/r/LeftWingMaleAdvocates20/09/19 08:20 PM
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Me either tbh. She has a masters in gender studies. We didn't see any engagement on the academic side.
/r/LeftWingMaleAdvocates18/09/19 10:56 PM
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Please remember the rules if you click through the CrossPost.
/r/LeftWingMaleAdvocates18/09/19 08:39 PM
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I'm not sure if you're using quotes to point out the "ridiculousness" with comparing masculinity with not going to the doctor but non-help seeking behaviors including preventive care to reinforce ideals of self-reliance and strength is exactly what "men" currently do, and what's bad for them.
/r/LeftWingMaleAdvocates16/09/19 03:34 PM
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You should realize that what I quoted from both RationalWiki and Wikipedia that they are both much more measured that what you just wrote. I'm asking you to consider the history and movement at large.
/r/LeftWingMaleAdvocates27/08/19 02:41 PM
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The first prominent MRA writer was arguably Marxist writer and anti-suffragist Ernest Belfort Bax. He wrote The Legal Subjection of Men in 1908, modeled after The Subjection of Women by John Stuart Mill. Bax also wrote The Fraud Of Feminism in 1913 A movement called the "Male Liberation Movement" was a single self-conscious liberal feminist movement that dissolved during the late 1970s. By the early 1980s, members of the movement had fully split into two entities. The members who had placed grea…
/r/LeftWingMaleAdvocates27/08/19 02:03 PM
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The men's right movement branched off from the men's liberation movement in the early 1970s, with both groups comprising a part of the larger men's movement ... Some scholars have described the men's rights movement or parts of the movement as a backlash against feminism. See Also: Anti-feminism | Wikipedia and crucially, that any and all variants of feminism do society and the individual far more harm than good. | Rational Wiki Historically the men's liberation movement forked. One side became …
/r/LeftWingMaleAdvocates27/08/19 01:20 PM
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That's fine. I'm only pointing out that your characterization of Men'slib isn't accurate, and is actually diametrically opposed to the MRM at large. Furthermore, we understand that Natalie's video wasn't about us — nor does it appear it was about you. Unless you do identify with the rest of the MRM/MRA communities. I'm which case, LWMA represents a tiny and relatively new portion of that pie, and it would be no surprise that your niche was not considered in a video that wasn't geared about you. …
/r/LeftWingMaleAdvocates24/08/19 10:33 PM
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Hell, r/mensLib is explicitly feminist. It's an MRA subreddit that is also explicitly feminist. /r/MensLib is not an MRA subreddit. And that distinction is made with particular emphasis that while the MRM is not monolithic most of them share something in common — their rebuke of feminism. This sub is attempting to be a notable exception despite it's criticisms.
/r/LeftWingMaleAdvocates24/08/19 10:17 PM
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