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true, it doesn't mean you have to accept it.
/r/PurplePillDebate11/03/22 01:13 PM
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why you chatting so much over days? you connect and setup a face 2 face. If she delays you move on. she's not that interested, she's got 10 other guys she's talking to at the same time. Move on I wouldn't take her to lunch either, I'd go for a walk or coffee whatever. Quick,easy escape. If a girls interested, you will know.
/r/PurplePillDebate10/03/22 06:10 PM
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If still rejected. You try to analyze why and be honest with yourself. You may have to lower you looksmatch. If you totally avg , it's tough to stand out. If you are below avg, yes, it is real bad. So, what can you do about it? Hit the gym, get in shape, get your shit together. In other words, find a way to stand out.
/r/PurplePillDebate10/03/22 02:31 PM
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true, but I'm trying to figure out why I'd marry one, let alone more than one ;)
/r/PurplePillDebate10/03/22 02:02 PM
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Or, work on yourself and figure out why?
/r/PurplePillDebate10/03/22 01:31 PM
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good points, and work on your personality/mood. A lot of guys get jaded/upset with the situation and it shows. when communicating with women/on dates. Who wants a person who's not fun/happy/excited to be out with you? You have to show that. In a authentic way which doesn't speak of desperation. It's really , just having fun, and DNGAF if it doesn't work out.
/r/PurplePillDebate10/03/22 01:29 PM
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Had a lot of female friends through the years, still do. I only keep the ones where they aren't (looking for favors) and treat me respectfully. Don't have an issue helping them out, as long as it doesn't become a habit and they appreciate it. Like, can you help me move some furniture for me, and she makes me dinner. You can have girls who are friends, but only when these type of unspoken rules are followed. It's harder when they girls are in a LTR/married, you have to treat it differently. You h…
/r/PurplePillDebate10/03/22 01:24 PM
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I guess, in short, she doesn't realize guys will hit it, with no intention of keeping it.
/r/PurplePillDebate09/03/22 04:06 PM
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I guess what I wasn't going along with is they confuse their SMV with RMV. The girl I'm talking about doesn't have high RMV either, so she's just saying, I want a guy who's really good looking , just, because
/r/PurplePillDebate09/03/22 03:20 PM
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disagree, if you hook up with a guy, your RMV is not even a factor in that. She's confusing the 2 different strategy's for women 1) Casual (RMV not needed), SMV women can go 2+ higher for 2) LTR (RMV needed), SMV is usual your equal or no more than 1+ typically , your RMV has to be good for this.
/r/PurplePillDebate09/03/22 02:56 PM
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why feel sorry? At 50, she'll get a few cats, tell her friends she's done with men, and renew her tinder account
/r/PurplePillDebate09/03/22 02:52 PM
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I'd feel much worse for the guy.
/r/PurplePillDebate09/03/22 02:37 PM
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very true, I"ve seen girls who normally act like a guy, very aggressive,etc, then when they are with a HVM, they turn into a (girl). It's really interesting to see. Their emotions/personality change, the were aggressive, kind of crazy emotionally , and they turn into a soft , stable woman.
/r/PurplePillDebate09/03/22 01:35 PM
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hmm, revenge, not me, but let me give you an example of what I have no sympathy for. I know a girl, 40's, who's very frustrated she can't land a good guy. She can get sex easy, but can't get a boyfriend/LTR. She just can't understand it, why? she asks me. She states, I've got a good job, make good money, why can't I get a guy? What she really means is a (good looking) guy, of course. Simple, she's short, 30lbs overweight, face is not that attractive and her personality is kind of harpyish. Also,…
/r/PurplePillDebate09/03/22 01:30 PM
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Ya, I know a few couples who are older where there's a big difference in SMV, they girls are much higher. Just happens, all the guys are pretty well off.
/r/PurplePillDebate07/03/22 09:31 PM
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SMV gets you in the door RMV keeps you there This is for a relationship of course, but also for casual. Most women want to be approached by good looking guys, even if they are open to casual, the guy has to have a bit of personality. Looks like you are just annoyed , it's probably showing in your conversations. girls like the personality of a PUA, why? he's got energy, fun, interesting. For casual, it's easy to fake it, it's a night or two. For a relationship, not so much.
/r/PurplePillDebate07/03/22 09:13 PM
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that happens, especially as couples age and are in 30's and beyond. $ of course is a big factor sometimes
/r/PurplePillDebate07/03/22 09:08 PM
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or money
/r/PurplePillDebate07/03/22 08:24 PM
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well put
/r/PurplePillDebate07/03/22 08:18 PM
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That's true from what I see.
/r/PurplePillDebate07/03/22 04:30 PM
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Just look at testosterone rates in adult men. Dramatic drop over the last 20 years, so many men even in their 30's having T issues. why? Diet, physical fitness/condition Are the biggest causes
/r/PurplePillDebate07/03/22 04:24 PM
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the argument is about, whether men have rights or not in this situation. My comments are that , men basically have no rights here. Also, to start a rational conversation, flip the narrative 180 and have it such that men have all the choices. That, shows the problem clearly. Whether men should always wear a condom or whatever. That's not really the point.
/r/PurplePillDebate07/03/22 03:49 PM
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we agree to disagree
/r/PurplePillDebate07/03/22 03:34 PM
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nope, they had sex. She has the right to decide what to do, he has no input She has the right to get child support, he has no option, the court decides. I disagree it's on men at the end of the day. I've had women I was dating tell me they are on birth control, and I noticed they skipped quite a few days. Oh, but it's not her fault, right. its simple, flip things around. If guys had the final decision whether she can keep the child or not. And, had ability to have default primary custoday, along…
/r/PurplePillDebate07/03/22 03:25 PM
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oh, I didn't know that, thx
/r/PurplePillDebate07/03/22 03:20 PM
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it's not that the state gets more revenue, it's that the state actually ends up providing more services (becomes larger), due to it. That's the only thing the state has interest in, more power over your life, more money, more control. Has to be one or more of those for the state to have interest.
/r/PurplePillDebate07/03/22 03:17 PM
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her choice to have the kid. He shouldn't be penalized, he has no choice in matter. If (married/divorced) sure, agree father should pay 1/2
/r/PurplePillDebate07/03/22 03:14 PM
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I'm 60, are you older than me? But, you never answer the questions do you. I always find that amazing, you know anyone who is MAGA is extremist, but you can't answer why? And you call us robots? It's so interesting to me. Who was Trump a danger to? The Globalists? He wasn't a danger to me, was he to you or any US citizen? Don't think so. but let me explain. Trump inherited a disaster of foreign policy that was Obama. let's just name some of them. North Korea Iran china Russia What happened after…
/r/PurplePillDebate04/03/22 08:37 PM
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hmm, Well, do some history young guy. How were our International affairs under Obama, and now Biden, relative to Trump? Look it up. covid, Oh, that was a seup, let's stick to the subject though. you didn't really answer, what is specifically is extremist about MAGA?
/r/PurplePillDebate04/03/22 07:34 PM
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hmm, I agree with you about the (tolerant left), They are anything but tolerant. They are projecting. But, explain to me, What is extremist about MAGA. then, would you rather have Trump, or what we have now in office?
/r/PurplePillDebate04/03/22 07:18 PM
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hmm, most of the women friends I have, I would not have sex with. I also had a lot of good looking female friends. I don't doubt what you say, but it really depends on the guy. If the guy is a HVM, chances are he's not being friends with you because he wants sex.
/r/PurplePillDebate04/03/22 07:16 PM
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I don't doubt that.
/r/PurplePillDebate04/03/22 07:10 PM
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older women usually have money, they are usually looking for a hot guy.
/r/PurplePillDebate04/03/22 06:27 PM
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look, your SMV attracts them. your RMV keeps them If you aren't getting dates, it's your SMV.
/r/PurplePillDebate04/03/22 02:44 PM
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funny, I always seem to see those wonderful progressives doing the hating.
/r/PurplePillDebate04/03/22 02:07 PM
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seems to be common that women sleep with a prince who later turns out to be a frog?
/r/PurplePillDebate04/03/22 01:36 PM
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yup, we are not talking about skinny guys. the study actually is pretty good, way too verbose. They explain that BMI is very inaccurate, especially for those that have high muscle mass. So, like myself and you probably, it says we are overweight, our BMI is too high, yet we are in great shape. That's why body fat % is much more accurate. If you are muscular with <20% body fat as a young guy, you are in good shape. So, yes, girls like a medium amount of muscle (not body builder caliber). They'd r…
/r/PurplePillDebate04/03/22 01:27 PM
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hmm, my experience is women actually like ripped/cut guys more than bulky guys. The girls who tend toward the bulkier guys, imo , tended to be a bit thick themselves. So, makes sense.
/r/PurplePillDebate03/03/22 09:13 PM
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Yup, I"m old, but ripped. The only girls I'm interested in are similar lifestyle. healthy eating, lots of exercise and outdoor sports, stuff. Very very few men or women near my age like it.
/r/PurplePillDebate03/03/22 08:30 PM
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Again, comes down to , is she showing it, are you feeling it. If not, why? If she's not showing it, I'm not buying it.
/r/PurplePillDebate03/03/22 08:24 PM
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If you have a girl and find out she's had lots of ONS/casual sex, like a 100 above. Why does it matter? Ok, let me ask you, how does her impulse control look? That's a lot of guys, what was up with that? Relationships, just ONS,etc? Emotional problems? If you are getting into a relationship with her, dude, this is legitimate to wonder about. why did she stop the CC? oh, because of you, right? BS, did her strategy change or she has one now? Rational risk assessment is needed here.
/r/PurplePillDebate03/03/22 08:20 PM
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benching 300, means you are pretty strong. Doesn't mean you are good looking. You may weigh 300. gotta go off body fat %
/r/PurplePillDebate03/03/22 08:10 PM
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hmm, not really Young women, just need to be not overweight. men, they need to at least be toned = some level of exercise (weights) If you are woman who want a chad, it's easy for a ONS/casual. I think you are saying for a LTR, then yes, along with RMV
/r/PurplePillDebate03/03/22 08:09 PM
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? WTF, stop the communist manifesto bull shit. Money gives you options. Would you rather be poor and miserable , or rich and miserable? Why? Oh, that's right, because I can do a lot of shit I want when rich, travel, expensive restaurants, cars, hobbies, I don't have to work,etc. Again, does that make you happy? Nope, but it certainly has the (possibility) of making your life a lot easier.
/r/PurplePillDebate03/03/22 07:58 PM
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well, you know many women fake orgasms and some do it very well. . I agree, partners should try to have fun and please each other. I certainly hope she's doing that to me. Again, comes down to , is she showing it, are you feeling it. If not, why?
/r/PurplePillDebate03/03/22 06:25 PM
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True, but a guy who's good at sex and hot, always beats out an avg guy good at sex. ;)
/r/PurplePillDebate03/03/22 06:10 PM
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(some of the best experiences were with women that would be considered avg, the passion and enthusiasm). I'm guessing you are a bit above AVG, and therefore we can surmise that the girls were upwardly mobile. Hence the experience was great. Yes, I totally agree with this part. It's why i believe if she doesn't show that attraction from the start, the enthusiasm, passion, I don't go further. that's something that doesn't kindle over time. Now, some women are not like that at all, don't have that …
/r/PurplePillDebate03/03/22 06:04 PM
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??? money gives you options in life doesn't make you happy, but options are good to have.
/r/PurplePillDebate03/03/22 05:39 PM
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Actually, it's AWALT, you got lucky and Chad stayed. Happy for you actually, but , the behavior is AWALT.
/r/PurplePillDebate03/03/22 04:25 PM
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Men are much more (realistic) because they have to be. It's life. Women are the ones who can get casual/ONS with guys way above them. Men can't do that with women. Women only become (realistic), when it's time to settle down for a LTR.
/r/PurplePillDebate03/03/22 04:18 PM
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(so there you go, nawalt). Actually that's more AWALT. Yes, love/commitment is more than just sex. Men are not arguing that. However, if your man is not near the best you've had, it will cause issues = deadbedrooms. I"m convinced of it, it only makes sense. A woman is used to casual/flings with guys who are 8/9's. Then ends up in a very long LTR with a guy who's at her level, 6 or so. Yup she loves him, but he's not hot, he's not like all those other guys. Duty sex , starfish and deadbedrooms do…
/r/PurplePillDebate03/03/22 04:16 PM
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That, my dear, is how it should be. Good luck to you both
/r/PurplePillDebate03/03/22 04:11 PM
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deadbedrooms
/r/PurplePillDebate03/03/22 03:56 PM
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I think you don't understand. Yes, it's settled out of court. It doesn't mean her/his lawyers didn't have lots of negotiating along the way. All of that costs money. If you are lucky they are mature about it, if not, it's a damn nightmare. I've heard of many nightmares
/r/PurplePillDebate03/03/22 02:20 PM
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And having fun with lots of frogs on the journey, no doubt
/r/PurplePillDebate03/03/22 02:17 PM
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True, young people, especially women are staying in school, getting advanced degrees. also, having a lot of fun with the guys in the process. There's no reason for them to settle down. Then, they get out of school with advanced degree and make more money than most men. Yes, in the 20-30 age group, women outearn men, and that is likely to carry forward. We all know, women don't end up with guys who make much less than them. Oh, girls, I know, you are different. In general, it's not the case. he h…
/r/PurplePillDebate03/03/22 02:16 PM
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don't make divorce harder. Remove the courts from it as much as possible and set limits on fees for lawyers. Divorce industry is a huge money maker for the courts and lawyers. Also, get rid of the crap (shared custody) of kids, shared my ass. Default is she gets the kids as primary, the dad gets them every other weekend and for dinner one night a week. So, in reality 2-3 days of actual custody over 14 days. Yup, that's fair.
/r/PurplePillDebate03/03/22 02:13 PM
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bingo, she's rewarded for his hard work, investing, long term planning.
/r/PurplePillDebate03/03/22 02:05 PM
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you can have a good relationship, just not be on the same page for sex. Deadbedroom doesn't usually mean (never sex). It usually is, sex frequency is not what they want, type of sex, duty (starfish),etc. For some, a deadbedroom doesn't mean something is wrong, they aren't sexual or lost it. That can happen, or also, one of them is no longer attracted to the partner or maybe never was. Especially with LTR"s, people get older, can gain weight,etc, bodies change. But, I totally agree, for me, Sex i…
/r/PurplePillDebate03/03/22 02:01 PM
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the more she's had ONS/casual sex, the more likely it will end like this. I really want to have some studies on that though, it just makes so much sense.
/r/PurplePillDebate03/03/22 01:56 PM
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stop calling it progressivism, it's socialism (really communism) with lipstick on it
/r/PurplePillDebate03/03/22 01:45 PM
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what are you trying to do? Accept not having sex or great sex, but a good relationship?
/r/PurplePillDebate03/03/22 01:43 PM
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(If your wife enjoys spending her 99.5% of time with you, I guarantee you the sex will just come naturally) Uhmm, no, I've seen many couples who are fine with the relationship, but don't want sex. I love you but, ewh, don't touch me. deadbedrooms, many of the people have good relationships, just not sex.
/r/PurplePillDebate03/03/22 01:42 PM
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Your description is ideal, if the woman has real desire for her guy. He'll likely treat you great. For men, it starts with desire/attraction. but, attraction is not negotiable unfortunately. That's why if a guy doesn't think her girl is hot for him, treating him like her best, he should leave before the relation goes deeper. that's why the girl, if she doesn't have that attraction up front, do both yourselves a favor, step out.
/r/PurplePillDebate02/03/22 06:55 PM
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Love is attraction to your partner Compatibility, you have many of the same goals in life, deal with life in same way respect, honesty, compassion and generally care about the person You want the person to be part of your life, not your life, part of it. A person who can communicate needs/wants with you and vice/versa A person who has boundaries and observes your boundaries, that's part of respect. Love is not a guarantee, it should not be taken for granted, it needs to be cultivated. People can…
/r/PurplePillDebate02/03/22 06:50 PM
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(Could the average man's dating problems come down to just lack of advertising)? No
/r/PurplePillDebate02/03/22 06:09 PM
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I'll take both, thanks
/r/PurplePillDebate02/03/22 06:03 PM
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I’m near 60. They are still attracted because I take care of myself. Men and women can be very attractive as they age. It just takes effort
/r/PurplePillDebate02/03/22 05:56 PM
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what would a woman need to do? Show genuine affection, desire for him. Initiate first often, desire to please him. oh and the guy should be doing this to her also. that's a relationship that has a good sexual foundation. will it be a good LTR, that depends on all the RMV they have together.
/r/PurplePillDebate02/03/22 04:49 PM
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(men and women both sleep around until they find someone with great chemistry) not everyone, in fact, I'd say that's a poor plan, other than racking up a high N count as a goal. you found someone, good. hope it sticks
/r/PurplePillDebate02/03/22 04:47 PM
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Good attitude
/r/PurplePillDebate02/03/22 04:44 PM
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He's a lucky guy
/r/PurplePillDebate02/03/22 04:43 PM
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why can't they be both, spark/butterfly and stable constant in life?
/r/PurplePillDebate02/03/22 04:41 PM
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how much?
/r/PurplePillDebate02/03/22 04:37 PM
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(I've literally never had better sex or been more attracted to a partner then I am with my partner now). This is relayed very often. Do men believe it? no, especially with women who have ONS/casual sex, the more of it, why would anyone believe it. If it wasn't good, why would you keep doing it?
/r/PurplePillDebate02/03/22 04:36 PM
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not all guys, some really just want to rack up numbers when they are young. yes as people mature, stability is more natural. they have less time, work, are older, the social crowd goes away due to all this, etc. Does that mean they don't won't that crazy sex anymore? No, it doesn't
/r/PurplePillDebate02/03/22 04:33 PM
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Did you read the OP?
/r/PurplePillDebate02/03/22 04:25 PM
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yup deadbedrooms, not far down the line.
/r/PurplePillDebate02/03/22 04:23 PM
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does she really want him sexually? (it feels like the underlying emotional rational is a belief that a woman in LTR is untrustworthy about her interest level). Oh, no, we know she's interested in a LTR . What men aren't sure of is if she's really attracted to him sexually or not. This womans (OP) post is a perfect example of what men are concerned with. She was never really attracted to him, admits she settled (attraction) down for him along with all her GF's. One of her friends cheated on him, …
/r/PurplePillDebate02/03/22 04:22 PM
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(but what women are saying that to their SO) The OP is not saying it to him, she's saying it on the thread and to her gf's. You are correct, you don't have to be the hottest, but your SO should find you hot. If not, why be with them?
/r/PurplePillDebate02/03/22 03:36 PM
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so you are married and still going after girls? She knows about this?
/r/PurplePillDebate02/03/22 02:57 PM
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vast majority of women, don't have to worry about their guy being with women much hotter than her in SMV. It usually is not possible for the guys. so, you don't care really because you don't have to. answer this. ( I assume you are a woman) If your guy was with hot women, and told you, you were not even close to the hottest girl he was with, he doesn't really find you physically attractive, but you are a good person. How'd you take that?
/r/PurplePillDebate02/03/22 02:39 PM
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(Your top choice =/= the most attractive when it comes to who you want to marry). not really. Especially when many women are having casual sex with guys , way above them. that means when they want a real LTR/marriage, the guys she ends up with is no where close to the guys she's been with for casual (if she was really shooting high). That girls post is exactly why men say it (impacts) the girls who do that. She was never hot for him, really physically attracted to him, but he's a good guy. I'll …
/r/PurplePillDebate02/03/22 02:36 PM
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(missing out on). No, not missing out on. men don't want to be (settled for). Do women want to be settled for? Main issue is mainly that women can have casual sex with men way above them. deadbedrooms imo are largely due to this, certainly not the only cause.
/r/PurplePillDebate02/03/22 02:32 PM
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I think you miss the real point. Women can have casual sex with men way above them. Men waiting longer will do what exactly? Nothing In fact, I think men are getting married later than women, so your whole scenario is off.
/r/PurplePillDebate02/03/22 02:29 PM
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Hamster in turbo mode
/r/PurplePillDebate02/03/22 02:24 PM
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ah, got it. yes, what a poor bastard, feel sorry for him.
/r/PurplePillDebate02/03/22 02:22 PM
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The biggest issue discussed on PPD is based on the following. Women are able to have casual sex with men far above them. Then when they want a LTR , they either can't get a guy at that SMV level or he can't meet her other needs (RMV). so, she (settles). Who wants to be settled for? It causes issues in a LTR that women want to pretend does not. Did she (settle)? No, not really, For casual sex she can get a hot guy. for a LTR, she got what she could.
/r/PurplePillDebate02/03/22 02:20 PM
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? not clear. are you saying she's willing to not go for a hot guy, because money, control , status are now more important?
/r/PurplePillDebate02/03/22 02:13 PM
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(it more than often is settling) Explain please.
/r/PurplePillDebate02/03/22 02:08 PM
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cry? More like cringe. Would you want to be her SO?
/r/PurplePillDebate02/03/22 02:07 PM
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thanks, I'm old, I like parentheses
/r/PurplePillDebate02/03/22 02:07 PM
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(They are spreading their knowledge to other guys because they want to help other guys realize it is possible). Exactly, like, don't end up with this girl or her friend group. Find someone better.
/r/PurplePillDebate02/03/22 02:02 PM
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(so your friend cheated because her bf was not trying hard enough? Now he is doing better? not giving her a reason to cheat? lol) I know, cringe, right. Beta simp, she's the prize, he needs to make her happy, Blah
/r/PurplePillDebate02/03/22 02:01 PM
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YOu posted this yesterday, I"m going to ask you the same question. If your SO told you , you certainly were not my top choices, you aren't hot to me, not attractive, but you are a good person. How'd you feel about that? This is like a thesis on why women shouldn't be having casual sex with hot guys, then having to settle for a real guy.
/r/PurplePillDebate02/03/22 01:57 PM
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(I wouldn't care if I was on the receiving end). Yup, because you don't care about it. You want to improve your relationship with your SO? Initiate once in awhile. It may shock him the first time, but I bet he'll enjoy it. People get horny even without (seeing) someone, at least men do, hormones and all. Waking up with morning wood for example.
/r/PurplePillDebate02/03/22 01:51 PM
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If you are not sexual at all and have never been that way. Your man should've got the picture and he's probably the same. so, no, you don't leave, sounds like you found someone compatible. People who hide, lie, change their sexual behavior are the ones we are discussing here. Also this is specific to the OP and her friend group, which if you read that. Would you want to be on the receiving end? But, if you aren't sexual, you probably don't care. We are all different.
/r/PurplePillDebate02/03/22 01:23 PM
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And the 15 pound overweight Becky does get Chad for ONS/casual. But, she's pissed she can't get him for a LTR though.
/r/PurplePillDebate01/03/22 08:52 PM
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hmm, how about, figure out if your partner finds you (attractive), before, they find out your financial situation. When first dating, I expect her to pay her share. when we get into a relationship, same. If I'm looking for a partner, it's 50/50.
/r/PurplePillDebate01/03/22 08:23 PM
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your approach seems to be, wait for the guy to make the move. that's fine. But it means you will miss a lot. You can't expect attractive guys to always see you, figure out you are available,etc. It's ok, everyone has their ways.
/r/PurplePillDebate01/03/22 06:06 PM
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so, the guy always has to approach, or he's not confident? yawn
/r/PurplePillDebate01/03/22 05:55 PM
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(there are exceptions) yes, she started working out and got hollywooded, the hair, makeup, etc most women don't work out, when they do, it's a big improvement
/r/PurplePillDebate01/03/22 05:54 PM
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yup, some women, you have to be 6 foot 2, or nothing at all. its ok, we all have preferences. I don't like heavy chics for example.
/r/PurplePillDebate01/03/22 03:28 PM
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if she's shooting way high, yes. i've seen that.
/r/PurplePillDebate01/03/22 03:03 PM
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good advice. Also, why do you girls care if there's a thought of (your easy) because you approached. If he thinks that way so what, it shouldn't matter. Your conversation will show if there's chemistry and compatibility. so, the easy or not, really doesn't matter.
/r/PurplePillDebate01/03/22 03:00 PM
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hmm, not so sure about that. I'd say women tend to approach men they find attractive, confident and chill.
/r/PurplePillDebate01/03/22 02:55 PM
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This. many women hookup with hot guys, hoping for more of course.
/r/PurplePillDebate01/03/22 02:48 PM
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I think what she means is, she'd never tell her partner about that, her girlfriends haven't told their SO's that. But that the guys should just get it, realize it. ya, I know.
/r/PurplePillDebate01/03/22 02:46 PM
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let me ask you. How would you feel if you heard your SO, say he settled for you? He doesn't lust for you, doesn't find you very attractive, but you are a good person. I'm a guy. I don't know about you, but I want it all. I want a partner who finds me very attractive "and" finds me a good person of course. I also want to feel the same about her. In your group, I see a lot of deadbedrooms in the future. I feel bad for the guys.
/r/PurplePillDebate01/03/22 02:44 PM
2

probably a lot of correlation to impulse control, lots of ONS/hookps = impulse control
/r/PurplePillDebate01/03/22 02:39 PM
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Watch what they do, not what they say.
/r/PurplePillDebate01/03/22 02:32 PM
1

If he's the best she can get for a LTR, is that settling? if yes, then everyone is settling I guess.
/r/PurplePillDebate01/03/22 02:28 PM
2

the 5'7 guy is at a big disadvantage. but, if the 6'1 guy is flabby/fat, and the 5'7 guy is jacked. I think they'd be comparable. Yes, this shows the 5'7 guy is a big disadvantage if comparable in looks and body.
/r/PurplePillDebate01/03/22 02:10 PM
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yes, 5'7 is pretty short, most girls will ignore in his 20's. when he's in his 30's, if he's got cash, he'll have 30's women looking at him. But the 6'1 guy will always be more attractive. Unless the 5'7 guy is jacked
/r/PurplePillDebate01/03/22 02:08 PM
1

You can't always get what you want, but if you try sometimes, you just might find, you get what you need. (Rolling stones). ;)
/r/PurplePillDebate01/03/22 01:53 PM
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There's nothing wrong with a woman making the first move. Is she "easier"? No, is she attracted to you? Probably, why she made first move right. The rest of it is chemistry and compatibility now.
/r/PurplePillDebate01/03/22 01:42 PM
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you comparing apples/oranges These 30/40 yo girls, may have been knockouts at 20. You have to compare them at 20 and 40. Girls can improve also. those 20yo college girls stuffing pizza and beer down. If they diet and start lifting weights. They can actually improve at 30. But, they made big changes to themselves. If they were doing this at 20, they'd have looked better than they do at 30.
/r/PurplePillDebate01/03/22 01:39 PM
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There are exceptions. example: if you eat too much , bad diet and don't work out at 22. Then you change your habits and eat well, stay fit, lift weights at 32. I'm guessing you may actually look better at 32. but, it's not a fair comparison, because you made big changes. It's apples/apples. Take a person at 22, doesn't make big changes to themselves, and is now 32. the 22 yo, is going to be more attractive than the 32.
/r/PurplePillDebate01/03/22 01:36 PM
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In her privileged view she may. But reality is what you get.
/r/PurplePillDebate01/03/22 12:58 AM
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but some me would if they could. hypothetical, reality is most men can't. women can have casual sex with men high above them. Men can not. That causes issues down the road for women who happily partake in it.
/r/PurplePillDebate28/02/22 09:54 PM
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Women are doing too? A risk assessment? Well, most men don't get to be with women far above them. Most men don't have a lot of options either, for casual sex. What's the risk that women are weighing here? That she's not his ideal woman? Weak woman: Oh, I'm not his ideal fantasy woman that he saw in a porn video. man: Oh, I guess all the hot guys you actually banged were bigger, better looking,etc than me. Your argument is not in the same ballpark here, you get that , right?
/r/PurplePillDebate28/02/22 09:41 PM
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let me spell it out for you. she (can't) get the guy she's banging for casual sex, to commit to a LTR. If she wants a LTR, she has to come back to reality. She's not hot. She's getting the guy that's her level. that's not settling. Oh, I'm an engineer, don't use big words to look so smaaart
/r/PurplePillDebate28/02/22 09:32 PM
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oh, I totally agree women don't tell you everything about previous experiences. Many also lie about them too. Insecurity? funny, I call it rational risk assessment.
/r/PurplePillDebate28/02/22 08:36 PM
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physical attraction is not negotiable. I get the concept, but agree many don't. Just like many women don't get why men care about a woman's past.
/r/PurplePillDebate28/02/22 08:02 PM
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when I look at the women who are available, I weep for the men also.
/r/PurplePillDebate28/02/22 07:20 PM
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she can get guys above her for casual sex, but they won't commit/LTR. She has to move down in SMV to get a guy for a LTR> So, for a LTR, she's not settling. That's all she can get, for a LTR.
/r/PurplePillDebate28/02/22 07:18 PM
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a simple yes would have worked. I don't despise women by the way if that's what you implied. Reality is what it is. You'll have it harder finding HVM for LTR, being in a male dominated field. you never mention , physically attracted. why?
/r/PurplePillDebate28/02/22 07:00 PM
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(the secret is to find your equal, I think. Casual or LTR But, many women don't. they shoot high for casual sex and have fun. the more of that they do, IMO, it causes harm.
/r/PurplePillDebate28/02/22 06:48 PM
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I deal fine with it, I don't put a ring on her, but I"m having fun. Think i've hit a nerve here. Don't take this stuff personally. Everyone has different views.
/r/PurplePillDebate28/02/22 06:42 PM
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shhh, don't give them any idea's. geez oh wait, isn't that feminism?
/r/PurplePillDebate28/02/22 06:40 PM
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are you a feminist by chance? /s
/r/PurplePillDebate28/02/22 06:38 PM
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has to be for the (right) guy = hot
/r/PurplePillDebate28/02/22 06:24 PM
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kind of, men are a lot hornier than women, generally. But, also, because of this, men are also willing to have sex with women pretty far below their SMV. women, take advantage of this and have casual/ONS with guys, way above their SMV. That causes most of the issues in these threads.
/r/PurplePillDebate28/02/22 06:19 PM
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initial research was debunked? by who you? who made you king?
/r/PurplePillDebate28/02/22 06:13 PM
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Look, men don't want to know that their girl has lusted after guys and not them. Pretty simple stuff. Pretty sure most women don't want to know about their men lusting after women either. Here's the difference. Women can experiment and play with guys way above their SMV. It usually ends up that the guy they LTR is way below the guys she was having fun with. The more casual/ONS she had, the more of this is in play. In this case, the woman admitted she wasn't physically attracted to him at all, no…
/r/PurplePillDebate28/02/22 06:12 PM
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If she swiped left on him, she doesn't find him attractive. that's about it. He's a good beta, she can fall in love with a beta. She's not gonna lust after a beta.
/r/PurplePillDebate28/02/22 04:56 PM
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I'm old, and a muscular engineer "fairness". Not really, nothing is fair. But, I wouldn't want to start a relationship with a woman who is not hot for me. That's what I'd relay to the younger guys on here. If she's been playing with hot guys, and he's not hot. Don't waste your time. You are right she's not (settling). She can have casual sex/ONS with hot guys, easy. they aren't gonna commit to her. So, she's not settling, she's realized its just sex. Yes, she still wants a relationship with them…
/r/PurplePillDebate28/02/22 04:53 PM
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he's upset she was hotter years ago and upset about it she clearly is not attracted to him and admits she'd have never dated him years ago,etc. run
/r/PurplePillDebate28/02/22 04:45 PM
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actually, I'd stay away from both
/r/PurplePillDebate28/02/22 04:36 PM
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so, what you are saying is, she had lots of fun with the hot guys in her early 20's. Then realized they only wanted sex. so, now she's matured and realized that for a LTR, it's more than having a hot guy so she finds a good enough looking guy. Got it. I think I'll pass.
/r/PurplePillDebate28/02/22 04:35 PM
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That's the hamster, (find an excuse). They can't change the past, so have to change the narrative
/r/PurplePillDebate28/02/22 03:11 PM
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I agree that women want a mix of SMV/RMV, totally. But, you can't negotiate physical attraction and lust. RMV doesn't make women lust. Never confuse that. SMV is not just casual sex. If she doesn't find you hot, leave. Trust me on this. If she doesn't lust for you, leave, she lusted for others. Don't waste time getting feelings for her. She can "love" you without "lusting" for you or being physically attracted. DEADBEDROOM
/r/PurplePillDebate28/02/22 03:09 PM
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yup, scam artists, teaching PUA,etc. critcal thinking would help, but in today's world, shit. (Science) is not science anymore, it's all politics TRP can help men, the self motivation stuff, understanding women. But, men take what they want from it. So, if they want to be a PUA, that's what they take from it. They should focus on how to get a LTR, keep it, and so on and how understanding women can help that. IMO Also, women are not the goal. A man should have his own goals and ambitions and inte…
/r/PurplePillDebate28/02/22 03:05 PM
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the problem is, women try to shoot high, out of their league, they keep trying and all of a sudden have a real high N count, are impacted by (rejection) and so on. Men don't have this issue. You aren't gonna find a smv 6 guy, hooking up with smv 9 girls and complaining they won't commit. They won't hook up with him, he's only a 6.
/r/PurplePillDebate28/02/22 03:01 PM
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of course, Physical attraction is not static. Especially over the years, we get older. That's why people need to take care of themselves, workout,etc. If you get lazy, fat,etc. That's not treating your partner well, why should she be attracted to you? And same with her. you seem to imply that chad will fade due to age, but the beta won't because he's a good RMV. No, you can't negotiate physical attraction.
/r/PurplePillDebate28/02/22 02:58 PM
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I agree with you, but understand why many are checking out. The parents don't help, make it easy for them to check out. It's not helping their future.
/r/PurplePillDebate28/02/22 02:54 PM
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not true, women have an impact. But, men also have their own ambitions and likes. Liking things that cost money, drive you , women aren't always in that equation but usually a part of it.
/r/PurplePillDebate28/02/22 02:50 PM
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many women, have sex with (attractive) men, hoping it leads to more.
/r/PurplePillDebate28/02/22 02:49 PM
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F'in testosterone
/r/PurplePillDebate28/02/22 02:48 PM
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I agree it's not healthy. They shouldn't (check out) , especially these young guys, 20's.
/r/PurplePillDebate28/02/22 02:47 PM
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why do you think more guys are checking out, living in mom/dads basement and spend most of their time playing video games. I'm assuming most of these guys are below avg looking guys. Would I do this in their situation? No, I"m too ambitious. I like to do things, like cars, travel, hobbies,etc. that takes money. But, it's real easy to just check out and play video games.
/r/PurplePillDebate28/02/22 02:45 PM
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I can't view this as a win from his side. sorry, can't do it.
/r/PurplePillDebate28/02/22 02:34 PM
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(this is literally the definition of settling, not being able to get what you want and lowering your standards). No, this is where woman have this duality issue. They can get Casual/ONS sex from hot guys It doesn't mean those guys are going to LTR her. And some of those guys may be hot, but terrible RMV. So, she's not really able to get what she wants. So, it's not really (settling). She has to adjust her (reality). LTR"s are not hookups. Guys don't have those issues, they don't get Casual/ONS s…
/r/PurplePillDebate28/02/22 02:33 PM
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I don't have any stats, would love to see studies on it done. It can also be over time. Example, lots of attraction, he's hot at 25, they are together 10 years, have a kid now, now 35 yo, gained 30 pounds of flab. Not attractive anymore = dead bedroom. There can be many causes, but majority in my view is physical attraction
/r/PurplePillDebate28/02/22 02:22 PM
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to me settling means, (there's definitely better) options for me. but we are arguing semantics here. for a LTR, it's SMV and RMV. The lower her SMV, the higher her RMV would need to be. I've found plenty of high SMV women, who have shit RMV. Those are just for casual.
/r/PurplePillDebate28/02/22 02:20 PM
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hmm, myself, I wouldn't waste my time with her after that. If he dumps her when the dead bedroom occurs, fine. But he better make sure there's no legal issues with it, make sure they don't live together,etc. At least in USA, where she can make it hard for him.
/r/PurplePillDebate28/02/22 02:18 PM
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(doesn't imply he doesn't find you attractive) it does, she would have swiped left on the guy, it means she was not really attracted to the guy. Look, have you swiped left on a girl in tinder , and found her attractive? It's that simple
/r/PurplePillDebate28/02/22 02:16 PM
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it's better to be aware of it , RP is not fun or easy,
/r/PurplePillDebate28/02/22 02:14 PM
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"no point in being with a girl who doesn't think you are hot" EXACTLY, it's as simple as that. I've had conversations with girls on this thread who say they are "unlucky in love,etc". That's why they have high N counts. Nope, her strategy is to sleep with guys above her, hoping that one of them will work out for a LTR,etc. I"m sure most of these girls, keep adjusting those hookups lower and lower until a guy probably near her level, sticks. Then she'll view it as settling, how can she not? But i…
/r/PurplePillDebate28/02/22 02:12 PM
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I"m guessing the basketball guy viewed their relationship as casual sex, she viewed him as a boyfriend.
/r/PurplePillDebate28/02/22 02:05 PM
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correct, women can delude themselves or can do a good job of it. What are t hey gonna do admit he's not hot/ but he's good "enough". they can "love" him, they don't "lust" for him. deadbedroom awaits
/r/PurplePillDebate28/02/22 02:03 PM
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I think in many cases, the (settling) is that you are agreeing to monogamy. At least in my case, I have lots of options but have agreed to not pursue them.
/r/PurplePillDebate28/02/22 01:59 PM
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(the older she is, the more likely she's lowering her standards/settling). Nope, you got it wrong. She's used to having casual sex with hotter guys. It doesn't mean they were going to LTR her/put a ring on it. Plus, she's looking for RMV in a LTR, does he make good $$,etc. That removes a lot of those hot guys also. So, is she settling? NO, she couldn't get what she wanted and has to decide what is acceptable to her.
/r/PurplePillDebate28/02/22 01:55 PM
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(Settling doesn't mean he isn't the best. Just that he is someone you aren't attracted to but are together with for some other reason). Dude, she's settling. She wasn't really physically attracted to him. She see's him as a good beta/provider. Classic AF/BB Is he settling, well, if he actually (could) get women much hotter than her, then he may be settling. I'd say that's not the case here. So, he's not settling in that term, but if he's staying with this girl he's certainly an idiot IMO. A LTR …
/r/PurplePillDebate28/02/22 01:53 PM
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The (wall) does depend upon the woman. If an attractive woman works out, has a good diet, takes care of herself, at 35, she's probably still more attractive than most 25 yo. But, was she as attractive at 35, as she was when 25? Nope That's what the wall is about. as you get into your 30's, you aren't as attractive as you were when 25,etc. The guys who you "could" attract, are not as attracted to you anymore. comparing a 50 yo guy, dating a 30 yo girl , and saying see, 30 is not the wall, he's no…
/r/PurplePillDebate28/02/22 01:43 PM
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many people don't think it's shallow at all. In fact it makes sense to be concerned with it. If your partner is very into casual sex/ONS, how much of it, what kind of history they have. Make a lot of sense. If you are not looking at them as LTR, it's not an issue/concern at all, it's only when you think of them as a maybe LTR. Denying that it wouldn't have impact is fine, it's mostly women who do this and for reasons that make sense. Women are the ones usually have casual sex with men above them…
/r/PurplePillDebate28/02/22 01:39 PM
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Good points. Yes I’ve seen that. I thinks it’s partly they are more comfortable. Agree it comes down to how she treats you. If things are transactional. Move on real fast.
/r/PurplePillDebate25/02/22 09:56 PM
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agree with a lot of what you say. I'm probably older than you, near 60 I look at this stuff for my kids, what they are dealing with. body count is somewhat important, the key is how it got there.. Lots of Casual/ONS , lots of it. Just not my type of girl, IMO a high risk, has hidden issues? Ya, she may just love sex, ok. She gonna be ok with mono relationship? Why do I have to concern myself with it all instead of just moving on. Having sex early clouds things, you don't really know the person. …
/r/PurplePillDebate25/02/22 09:14 PM
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I can see where OLD is really bad. I did well with it, but it was still not great. Flaky women, fake stuff,etc. But when you work 50 hours a week and are older,etc. Not too easy to meet new women.
/r/PurplePillDebate25/02/22 09:05 PM
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ya, I don't judge women I'm just having fun with. I only judge them if I'm thinking of LTR
/r/PurplePillDebate25/02/22 08:23 PM
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Sounds like it, don't make my hamster work so hard, she's tired ;)
/r/PurplePillDebate25/02/22 08:21 PM
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Projecting? uhmm, nope. Girls do casual sex with hot guys. The emotional connection stuff is for the (LTR) guys. Most women don't look back fondly on their ONS , because he didn't call them back or they knew he was only a ONS. I think you are white knighting this a bit. Are you sure you from texas?
/r/PurplePillDebate25/02/22 08:20 PM
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nope, it's a healthy risk/reward mechanism. if she's a high risk, not gonna put much effort into it.
/r/PurplePillDebate25/02/22 08:18 PM
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ah, a beta male/white night got it, ;) thanks I"m not one, but I don't seem to have trouble with women.
/r/PurplePillDebate25/02/22 06:57 PM
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that's not unlucky in love miss. that's hooking up and seeing if it sticks. One of the problems of the hookup culture. Sleep quickly with a hot guy and see if it turns into love.
/r/PurplePillDebate25/02/22 06:56 PM
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correct, men don't require women to be (better) than them Bingo!!! It is typically not so with women.
/r/PurplePillDebate25/02/22 06:54 PM
5

so, explain to me, how does one rack up a high n count then
/r/PurplePillDebate25/02/22 06:53 PM
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I hear women say all the time (not judgemental), what does that mean?
/r/PurplePillDebate25/02/22 06:48 PM
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yes, exactly. I'd love a study on (deadbedrooms), was the woman promiscuous. ONS/casual sex she falls in love, gets into LTR/married, sex is great, frequent, a few years later, deadbedroom hmmm
/r/PurplePillDebate25/02/22 06:42 PM
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(unlucky in love) Getting a high N count usually has nothing to do with Luck or love.
/r/PurplePillDebate25/02/22 06:40 PM
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so he was good looking, high smv, but poor rmv (no money) He was good for casual, not good for LTR because $$ other factors
/r/PurplePillDebate25/02/22 06:18 PM
1

(don't be so mysterious that you never let anyone surprise you) Can you explain more, I don't get it
/r/PurplePillDebate25/02/22 06:16 PM
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(I think you are vastly twisting the significance of the partners men/women can get as it relates to relationship satisfaction) Missing the point. I"m not talking about relationships, I"m talking ONS/casual sex/flings. That's where the girls are getting guys well above them. I believe this does impact them and they very much want to ignore/deny that. Like what can they do about it, nothing. HOw F, dare you ;), True, some of the hottest women I've been with, just were terrible partners. I think t…
/r/PurplePillDebate25/02/22 05:59 PM
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Ok, So, women are typically with men (above) them for casual sex. Men, even if they have ability to have casual sex, it's typically there level or below. I'd say, being with people far above your LTR's physical looks, is impacting. How can it not be. Like, been with a tall guy, jacked with a 6 pack. and your LTR is avg height, no muscle. . . . . . . .
/r/PurplePillDebate25/02/22 05:11 PM
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just proving what I said. Girls don't get it, they don't have to
/r/PurplePillDebate25/02/22 05:01 PM
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(I think it's a fallacy that men just pick whoever is the hottest) Agree totally. SMV gets them in the door RMV keeps them there
/r/PurplePillDebate25/02/22 04:59 PM
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(you need to hold promiscuity constant) why, its not based. Men, to be promiscuous, need to have something Women, don't need anything
/r/PurplePillDebate25/02/22 04:57 PM
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there is a gray area. like I said "is she worth it, is she a risk and how much". that's what the guy will have to figure out. Is here RMV (worth) it you can say, oh, that's mean, he's holding her past against her. yup, tough. The past matters. It's the best factor determining a persons future actions. It takes time to get to know someone. years. along the way, this is what you use along with (current/known) behavior
/r/PurplePillDebate25/02/22 04:44 PM
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not really. You even don't understand that. The wall, post 30. What the wall means is the following. Girls who were in the 20's, and getting top guys, having fun, now are turning 30. They are working, getting older, all of a sudden, they can't go those 8/9 type guys anymore or only for a ONS. Its not that they can't get a guy anymore, they can't get the guy they were used to getting. very big difference
/r/PurplePillDebate25/02/22 04:40 PM
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Oh, let's talk about that. first, most men, (CAN"T) get high N counts. Second, if men have high n-counts, it's not with women (above them). ex: if a guy is a 8, he's normally having flings with girls who are 6 or 7. A girl, if she's doing ONS/flings, she's a 6, she's with guys who are 8 or 9. That has impact, do you deny it? A girl who's used to having sex with guys who are 8/9, now is trying to have a LTR with a guy who's a 6, but he's such a nice guy. ok
/r/PurplePillDebate25/02/22 04:38 PM
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(But surely any man who's promiscuous is likely to run into the same "problem" as the women, that he's been with women who look nicer than the woman he's in a relationship with) You are correct, I've been with many women. Everyone compares and reflects on the past. But again, you are missing the big point. Men typically don't have lots of casual because most guys can't. I did, I was chad, could have been with many many women, but I wasn't really into that. So, most men cant, and if they can, the…
/r/PurplePillDebate25/02/22 04:35 PM
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pure crap. ONS/casual, means she was likely just going for the hottest guy around or as you say, trying the tall guys, the jacked guys, etc. yes, she was (screwing) guys out of her league. Now, she's trying to date a guy in her league. That's the problem, for him and her. Girls who have lots of Casual/ONS, would love to see data on how they end up in dead bedrooms. That's what guys are looking at. Agree with you on chemistry and attraction. If she doesn't find you hot, doesn't seem like you are …
/r/PurplePillDebate25/02/22 04:30 PM
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you do you, purple. If she's a high risk, not wasting my time
/r/PurplePillDebate25/02/22 04:23 PM
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the higher the number/ more ONS/casual, the higher the risk. when you first hookup, it's no big deal. It doesn't matter at all, until you look at it as a LTR. That's when it has to really be viewed. Is she worth it? Is she a risk and how much,etc.
/r/PurplePillDebate25/02/22 04:21 PM
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in reality, many women do care. Many women also are very sensitive, comparing his ex's with herself. What women don't get, is that men know that women can do ONS/casual sex with guys way above them. So, she's been with guys , typically way hotter than him. If a woman knew her guy was with women way hotter than her. You think that would bother her a bit? .... damn right it would. But, it's something they don't generally have to deal with, so they don't. They just say, tough, you guys are weak. An…
/r/PurplePillDebate25/02/22 04:02 PM
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look, if a woman has a High N count, it's like that casual , flings, ONS are involved. If she did that, unlike men, she can get guys much higher than her. So, the guy she's with now, looking at a LTR for example, he knows she's been with much higher guys. Flip it, I know it's hard for women to do this, because they don't have to. But, humor me. If your guy, who you are looking at for a LTR, is an avg looking guy or basically at your level, but he's been with girls way way hotter than you. You ar…
/r/PurplePillDebate25/02/22 03:58 PM
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A high N count is much worse red flag for women.
/r/PurplePillDebate25/02/22 03:31 PM
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Yes, a RP man from RP beliefs is if she cheats on you, it's over. No way to recover. You have to understand this is what he's read and TRP states. He's fighting that belief/concept in RP. RP is also very negative of porn, drugs,etc. He needs to own his issues it seems, not just this. the problem he has is accepting your being with other men and are you a flight risk. I'd focus on the current, is your situation good? Do you treat each other really well, is this what you have today, (good enough),…
/r/RedPillWives25/02/22 03:17 PM
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most guys are not good with it, they know they aren't chad. The issue they have is the following. Women can have hookups/flings with guys way above them and today, most do, some quite a bit. So, your avg 5 or 6 guy, is looking at 5 or 6 smv girls. But, knows that that 5/6 girl, has probably or has been with 8/9 guys either for a hookup or a short term fling. its tough for women to really think or care about this, because simply, they don't have to, so it's not a problem for them, right? If a wom…
/r/PurplePillDebate25/02/22 02:18 PM
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depends on what you call high standards. I'm assuming the OP was talking about a LTR, not a hookup. For a LTR, she has to be withing 1 SMV of me, my view of course. She has to be able to support herself, not be in debt She has to be low drama, (sane) , no meds, that's my view She has to treat me the way I'd treat her Has to be in shape and it's part of her lifestyle Some here will say, OMG, you are crazy. Nope, these are my requirements, if she doesn't meet them, she's not a LTR.
/r/PurplePillDebate25/02/22 02:07 PM
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If he cares about her of course he cares about her pleasure. I mean If anyone is in a ltr this should be so unless that are a narcissist. He wants to feel he’s near her best she’s had. Common sense. Don’t you want to feel that way. You want to hear that he was with Victoria secret models? Probably not I’m guessing. Why? Same reasons this has to do with ego but there more to it. It’s risk also If she’s had ons casual sex the more she’s had the more she’s been with higher guys more likely. Now she…
/r/PurplePillDebate25/02/22 12:47 PM
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Every woman is different and hell what works one night doesn’t the next. It’s not a guys job to figure it out. She needs to point him in the right direction.
/r/PurplePillDebate25/02/22 11:18 AM
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ah ok, doing a show.
/r/PurplePillDebate24/02/22 07:25 PM
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Its because they were (hoping) in the back of their hamster, that it would be more than a fling. Once they hear about your lifestyle, it kills that hope, they don't fit.
/r/PurplePillDebate24/02/22 07:10 PM
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WTF, you pay $300/month for a coach? You need it for motivation?
/r/PurplePillDebate24/02/22 07:09 PM
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majority of women , don't work out. So, they don't know. that picture of guy, hint, the answer is in the biceps. works out quite a bit. But, it can vary a lot , some people are naturally muscular, cut,etc. I'd say 5 hours a week min, if he's got good genes and he's young of course.
/r/PurplePillDebate24/02/22 07:07 PM
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Remember, most girls are actually hoping it's not just a fling. If you show them that you work out 20 hours a week and are motivated like that. It just shows them, it's only gonna be a fling, because she's lazy and doesn't work out,etc.
/r/PurplePillDebate24/02/22 07:00 PM
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correct, there's no excuse not to try. If a guy works out, lifts weights, adjusts his diet to cut out the crap. If he updates his clothing and grooms himself. He will most likely be above average. He will have options.
/r/PurplePillDebate24/02/22 04:59 PM
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good points The other one, is even if he's attractive enough, he wants to feel like he's near her best. If he doesn't see that, why would he stay.
/r/PurplePillDebate24/02/22 04:19 PM
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(Men who care the most about women's sexual habits don't really care about women) Maybe, in most cases I'd say they care. This assumes a LTR is being looked at, if not it totally doesn't matter. But, they also care about themselves. They are measuring her past to determine risk and is she worth it. Many women do the same, so what are they doing? They don't care about men then, right?
/r/PurplePillDebate24/02/22 03:57 PM
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exactly, there's no rules for Chad. Trust me on that
/r/PurplePillDebate24/02/22 03:53 PM
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He will figure out if you did casual/ONS most likely. If she makes him wait, he has to figure that out and see what it's about. It's so simple,not sure why you girls get so upset about it. IF he doesn't feel like he's her best or near to it. Why should he stay? The issue is mainly that girls can sleep way upwards in smv. So, girls who are like a smv 6, can do ONS with guys who are like a 9. It's not the other way around. Girls say, who cares, so what. But, you aren't him. I was the guy who she d…
/r/PurplePillDebate24/02/22 03:53 PM
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not really, men want to her to treat him , call it "the best". If she did ONS, then she needs to sleep with him very quickly. The problem today is you have to assume all the girls have done ONS and probably quite a bit. So, then, why should he wait? Sure her choice , and his then. sure, you can downvote me, but answer the question. Why should he wait?
/r/PurplePillDebate24/02/22 03:32 PM
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you are drifting, stay on topic. If you string a guy along , longer than that other (hot) guy who you had sex on first date with. Then he isn't as hot. it's that simple. for a LTR, it's much much more. Correct and it takes months to get to know each other and in fact years. But, along the way you have to figure out if it's worth continuing. If he knows he's far from the hottest you've been with, etc. Why should he stay? I'd just move on, why not? I know you girls like to say, no, no there's so m…
/r/PurplePillDebate24/02/22 03:24 PM
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what's wrong with her teaching him?
/r/PurplePillDebate24/02/22 03:18 PM
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( I don't think many women want to admit they had sex with several men that don't see them as good enough for LTR). Bingo The guy they are in a LTR with, just happened to stick I had girls hook up with me and tell me, don't want your number, know you wont call, just wanted to be with someone like you. I'm guessing most of the girls who got their LTR via a hookup, did a lot of that also
/r/PurplePillDebate24/02/22 03:01 PM
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(looks aren't a big source of sexual attraction for her) Very uncommon. In theory, if she is like that with (all) men, ok. But like I said, that's a theory and very uncommon. Like I've never seen it.
/r/PurplePillDebate24/02/22 02:52 PM
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totally true
/r/PurplePillDebate24/02/22 02:50 PM
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Ok, you just walked into it. (you want your physical appearance along to be determining factor if you get laid). Absolutely yes, if you've done that with other guys. If you have sex with a guy on 1st or 2nd date, you don't know anything about that guy. You had sex with him because he was hot. If you string a guy along for 4 or 5 or whatever dates before sex, he just isn't hot. If he knows this, he should move on or not consider you for a LTR because it won't work out. It's classic AF/BB
/r/PurplePillDebate24/02/22 02:47 PM
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she can do whatever she wants. And so can he.
/r/PurplePillDebate24/02/22 02:44 PM
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(no man should be angry cus the guy before got laid quickly). False, that' s what women want men to believe and accept. If she found other guys she was with hotter and much more attractive and willing/wanting to have sex with them so fast. She should stick with him. This is part of the problem with quick fun casual sex. It's mostly physical attraction. A LTR is far more than that. Why would anyone, guy or girl, want to be with a partner who slept first date or whatever with someone, but held you…
/r/PurplePillDebate24/02/22 02:43 PM
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Yup, TRP is what you want to take from it. PUA Improve your LTR/relationship Improve your attraction to women, self improvement Figure out how to get a date
/r/PurplePillDebate24/02/22 02:27 PM
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(I would just treat that relationship like a STR and see where it goes) Yup, I've always have done that. I assume she will do something I don't like and I'm done. Make her earn it. For a LTR, she has to have very good RMV. That takes time to (prove), it can be faked short term. So, take your time, no need to commit and LTR for sure.
/r/PurplePillDebate24/02/22 02:25 PM
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(what if looks aren't big to her, if she finds other reasons why you are attractive, is that settling)? Yes AF/BB She has to find you sexually attractive to make it work long term. Yes, even when you get older, even real old like me, or the relationship will decline. Now, that takes 2, the guy has to stay in shape and (be) attractive, and so does she. If one slacks off and not the other, it's even worse.
/r/PurplePillDebate24/02/22 02:10 PM
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Yes it is easy to become above avg today. All it takes is a bit of effort
/r/PurplePillDebate24/02/22 12:33 PM
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(yes because the avg woman is more sexually attractive than the avg man) no, no, no Look, men in general have a much stronger sex drive than woman. That means, men want to have sex and generally are willing to have sex with girls much below them to get easy/casual sex. It doesn't mean she's (attractive), it means she was (available). Women understand that men want sex (more) than they do and it's (harder) for men to have sex, especially with a women at their level or higher. They take advantage …
/r/PurplePillDebate23/02/22 08:57 PM
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(I don't see the relevance) 90% of the time, the guy approaches. You are saying the avg woman attracts more than the avg man. The man is the one doing the approaching most of the time. For casual sex, young (20's people), the girls are looking for guys (above) them. When the girls want a LTR, then yes, they end up with a guy at their level. Yes, a guy has a much much harder time having casual sex. Not only that, a guy would VERY rarely have casual sex with a girl above him. Not so for his girl, …
/r/PurplePillDebate23/02/22 08:13 PM
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The hamster is powerful
/r/PurplePillDebate23/02/22 07:18 PM
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I have had many women, come right out and say, you won't stay with me, you'll leave, you are too much. Some were after ONS, who wouldn't even exchange numbers with me. So, yes, for sure. Many surely will have a fling,ONS with a top guy. But they know he's not going to hang with them if they are a 6 or 7, and he's a 9 with more than looks.
/r/PurplePillDebate23/02/22 04:15 PM
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we all have to deal with it, disappointments. Good that you put yourself out there. If you don't take a chance . . . . Good luck
/r/PurplePillDebate23/02/22 03:04 PM
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Dating is hard. Figure out your goal, date with purpose. A paid dating site with profiles,etc (not tinder), may be better. I did some of those, still tough to deal with but it worked for me and I'm a guy. When older with real job,etc, it's most efficient way to find dates.
/r/PurplePillDebate23/02/22 03:01 PM
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Who does the initial approach, contact? so, that view is totally flawed. What you are really trying to view is, is a 5 SMV guy, not as attractive as a 5 SMV girl? Answer, they both are 5's. The other item of interest is, women generally only want guys above them, so that 5 girl, is only looking at guys who are 6 and above. understand?
/r/PurplePillDebate23/02/22 02:51 PM
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if you are giving signs, (more than), and not once has a man made the first move. That tells me you are reaching or you aren't good at giving signs. Most women who aren't a 7 or above smv, won't have abundance for sure. agree with that
/r/PurplePillDebate23/02/22 02:48 PM
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I don't know what this age thing is with abundance. I'm old, and I still have abundance. If you are good looking and stand out in your age group, there's abundance for sure. You say, mid twenties. Ok, it comes down to where you hang on weekends, what you do for fun. That puts you into opportunity zones, ie, where there's guys. Then it comes down to how you look, act and show. What does that mean? If you don't give a look at guys, if you ignore them, they'll probably do the same to you. If you do…
/r/PurplePillDebate23/02/22 01:47 PM
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(I don't get approached much in public anymore) that's your reality from now on. Blame the system for it. Let me explain. You are out of university now, working, not 20 yo anymore. You are not going to be approached much at all anymore compared to Uni, younger days, younger crowd. For guys, it's not worth it and there's actually risk to it. cold approaches, no way. You'd have to give clear SOI (signs of interest), to a guy for him to approach you basically. If you see a guy that is interesting, …
/r/PurplePillDebate23/02/22 01:40 PM
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The AVG 25 yo guy is overweight
/r/PurplePillDebate22/02/22 09:04 PM
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(is the avg woman more attractive than the avg male)? Is what I think you meant? No, AVG is AVG This crap about women being more attractive , it's because women only want men above their SMV. So, I don't go along with the, women are better looking than men thing
/r/PurplePillDebate22/02/22 08:10 PM
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(women call guys at the bottom of their interest (acceptable smv range) AVG. Yes, so, your AVG woman of SMV 5, is going to call a SMV 6 or 7 guy, AVG. Good looking enough.
/r/PurplePillDebate22/02/22 07:17 PM
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The SMV scale is what it is. It has (women) rate 100 men for example and lists them from 1 to 100 in terms of looks. The guy at 50, is totally in the middle. that doesn't mean that most (women) would rate him (avg). Why? That doesn't make sense, right? It's because most women are only interested in guys (above them). So, your AVG 5 girl, physically, is looking at guys who are 6 or 7 in SMV. They'll call that guy AVG, so the scale is skewed because of this
/r/PurplePillDebate22/02/22 07:04 PM
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The OP needs to look at it a bit different. Does she make you feel like you are her best? Does she enjoy sex with you, does she initiate? Does she orgasm most of time,etc? Never inquire about being best, never try to measure it. Look, most women have ONS/casual sex with guys way above them, hot guys. That's probably not you, ie, they were way better looking. Add to that, they were (new,exciting),etc. Maybe it was in a exciting environment also, vacation, weekend getaway. So, it's the guy, the pl…
/r/PurplePillDebate22/02/22 06:57 PM
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the AVG guy is exactly that, a 5 out of 10 on SMV scale what does that look like? He's about 5 foot 9 He's overweight, pudgy and flabby His wardrobe looks like it's out of the family guy. Shirt doesn't fit well, too big, but he's out of shape anyway so if it was form fitting, ugh. He's got loose jeans on that sag at his ass, but tight on his gut. His facial appearance is , meh, nothing stands out Majority of women would not even notice him in a nearly empty room. that's your totally avg, smv = 5…
/r/PurplePillDebate22/02/22 06:39 PM
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agree with the (women who have lots of relations/body count) Not sure I agree with men who lack experience are damaged.
/r/PurplePillDebate22/02/22 03:28 PM
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I think it is probably more important the other way around. A person who's been in many relationships and impact on future relations. Those that have been in many relationships, tend to drag stuff from one to the other.
/r/PurplePillDebate22/02/22 03:22 PM
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depends on money situation. A well off girl, will ride a hot guy, but she's not gonna LTR a guy who's poor
/r/PurplePillDebate22/02/22 03:18 PM
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It could, my girl is definitely not the best looking girl I've been with in any category. She knows it and it bothers her. I encourage her and make her feel attractive, by giving her affection. If I reduce it, she definitely notices it.
/r/PurplePillDebate11/02/22 06:25 PM
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has to be , on par. Women compare their guys ex's also. It's not a male only thing. But, the thing is, especially for casual/ONS sex, women can move way up. Men can't.
/r/PurplePillDebate11/02/22 06:22 PM
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Bingo, provider and safe zone
/r/PurplePillDebate11/02/22 06:19 PM
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True
/r/PurplePillDebate11/02/22 06:19 PM
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Oh, she can love him. But go check out deadbedrooms. The relationship can be pretty good, she can love him, but ewh, don't touch me. she has not physical attraction to him.
/r/PurplePillDebate11/02/22 06:18 PM
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"if she meets a guy who's a 7.5 physically but has much higher RMV, she will view you as her best". totally correct, that's SMV and RMV, Casual fun/vs LTR stuff. In the honeymoon phase, yes, agree with you but as you get longer into the relationship, that 9 was pretty fun. This is where things migrate toward the deadbedroom. Most guys know this. That's why if she doesn't really show him that she thinks he's the best, he should move on.
/r/PurplePillDebate11/02/22 06:15 PM
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If she doesn't make you "feel" like (you are her best), leave.
/r/PurplePillDebate11/02/22 06:06 PM
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(people ask why don't I go out of my way to help women) Ask yourself, what can she do for me? What benefit does she provide me and my way of life.
/r/PurplePillDebate11/02/22 06:02 PM
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"women fuck men they're not attracted to". Only in a LTR = beta Women don't have flings/ONS with guys who they aren't really attracted to
/r/PurplePillDebate11/02/22 02:15 PM
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I had some not give me their number. They'd say, I know you wont call me, I just wanted to be with someone like you. So, in reality, they wanted more, but they were afraid of being rejected so they basically decided not to pursue more. Whether they had a boyfriend or whatever, no idea.
/r/PurplePillDebate11/02/22 02:13 PM
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for the (right) guy
/r/PurplePillDebate11/02/22 02:00 PM
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you had me until (wanted me to pay for things). No, the men role today should not include (pay for things).
/r/PurplePillDebate11/02/22 01:53 PM
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you forgot, men are "privileged" just by being men. ;)
/r/PurplePillDebate11/02/22 01:44 PM
1

interesting. What is big, and what would be minimum size.
/r/PurplePillDebate10/02/22 08:17 PM
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it's one of the things, women don't understand it, because t hey don't have to. They don't experience that. some women can see that view, most can't relate to it. Some would say, well, so what, I was with some really hot guys, they were fun, so what? Go on over to deadbedrooms. That's something to think about for sure. I would advise men, she has to find you (hot), if she doesn't. Move on.
/r/PurplePillDebate10/02/22 04:47 PM
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hmm, well , many many women post about their guy and his ex's on social media, she's prettier than me, bigger breast, nicer ass. They don't like it. I think there's concerns on both sides. What guys have to deal with , that girls don't. Is if she had Casual, ONS, with really hot guys. Well, she's not posting that and that is hard for a lot of guys, just like it would be for girls in this example. Call it insecurity, call it concern, whatever. The more of it done, the more of a concern.
/r/PurplePillDebate10/02/22 04:28 PM
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many women say that (men) must be jealous of a High N count woman. In reality, a woman doesn't need anything to have a high N count. It's nothing to be jealous about. I don't think many women really understand that. A man, to have a High N count. He either needs to be a HVM, great personality or he's going after anything he can get. Easy to tell which after meeting that person
/r/PurplePillDebate10/02/22 04:25 PM
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makes sense. think most of these people are early 20's, life is all social media. yup linked in, we actually work. Facebook is locked Girls look me up, they'll find my properties, published technical research papers, maybe it will turn them on.
/r/PurplePillDebate10/02/22 02:47 PM
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ya, I would already rule her out if social media is that important to her. so this stuff is good for vetting. honestly any girl into social media or stuck to her phone, I move on.
/r/PurplePillDebate10/02/22 02:38 PM
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only if I can be the one who measures them ;)
/r/PurplePillDebate10/02/22 02:34 PM
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VERY
/r/PurplePillDebate10/02/22 02:32 PM
2

so true, saw many women who would be on an OLD site, where they aren't interested in casual, looking for my "forever guy". Then, I'd see the girl on Tinder, sexy profile, no words. Yup, just, while I'm looking for my forever guy, if something fun comes along ....... so funny
/r/PurplePillDebate10/02/22 02:31 PM
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more and more people are getting off of social media. But, if making sure they are real, well there's ways you can do a background check on someone.
/r/PurplePillDebate10/02/22 02:30 PM
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Most men, realize the she's been with guys (much better looking) than him. Girls should reflect on it, like, imagine if my guy has been with many (hot) girls, much better looking than me. I think most girls wouldn't be very comfortable with it. some may not care, some may end the relationship, most would probably be in the middle is my guess.
/r/PurplePillDebate10/02/22 02:15 PM
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(If I have a strong taste for hot men and great sex, that means the man I choose to LTR is also hot , great sex and compatible) typically this woman, would have hot sex with hot guys. The guy she'd end up with in a LTR would be (far) from the hottest guys she was with. But this guy has better RMV and most important, willing to commit to her. A man doesn't want to be with a woman who doesnt find him hot, really attractive. Agree, don't waste time on a girl who doesn't find you hot. Most people ar…
/r/PurplePillDebate10/02/22 02:12 PM
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I expect a lot from my woman. I expect her to be fit, healthy, earn her keep, have her shit together. I expect her to treat me very well. I haven't found many women like this.
/r/PurplePillDebate09/02/22 09:01 PM
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If she's looking for casual/fun, it's the hottest guy she can get. simple. If she's looking for a relationship, it's the hottest guy she can get, that meets some of her RMV needs, like $$, no kids currently,etc. That's prior to meeting. Once they've met, it's the RMV/chemistry, etc all bundled.
/r/PurplePillDebate09/02/22 04:44 PM
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Many women are just looking for attention. If you connect, ask for a face2face soon, if she's delaying, move on
/r/PurplePillDebate09/02/22 04:23 PM
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hmm, I think you are talking about (relationships). For relationships, sure, RMV counts, $$,etc. For casual/fun, it's all about 80/20, I know that for sure, from experience.
/r/PurplePillDebate09/02/22 04:18 PM
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"I don't really believe he 80/20 rule" What about it don't you believe? curious
/r/PurplePillDebate09/02/22 04:05 PM
2

they wanted sex , but they didn't commit to (her), is really the complaint.
/r/PurplePillDebate09/02/22 03:58 PM
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HMV are in demand. They have lots of options. For those guys who want relationships, they are in very high demand. Women know this, and if they find a guy like that, they don't let go. For that to happen, they need to have good RMV and high enough SMV to be attractive to him. What can lead them to not be too interested in casual sex? It's like an attractive woman, she can get it anytime she wants. It is not a challenge and many become bored with it, don't get much from it. They want more. Then i…
/r/PurplePillDebate09/02/22 03:00 PM
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this.
/r/PurplePillDebate09/02/22 02:55 PM
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not at all. (in shape), (doesn't put up with shit), (expects her to have her shit together) Blue pill, is typically overweight or no muscle. Would never thing to hold her to (standards) and put pressure on her. Don't think you know the difference between Blue/Red
/r/PurplePillDebate07/02/22 09:01 PM
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why do I hold it against women. Well,I'm judging them, yes. Everyone judges everyone. they don't need much to get laid. They usually go for guys above them. How much above them are they going, are they getting impacted by being with those guys. Are they thrill seekers, crazy sex and so on? HOw has it impacted them? Do I want to figure that out? You've heard why guys have concerns about it. The more options the guy has, the less he'll want to (investigate) it. Some guys don't care, some because t…
/r/PurplePillDebate07/02/22 06:25 PM
1

you asked why men get a pass = they are held to a different standard when it comes to high N count. I gave you an answer.
/r/PurplePillDebate07/02/22 06:19 PM
2

I totally disagree, it's repugnant to me
/r/PurplePillDebate07/02/22 06:17 PM
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most women complain about chad, because of just that. in reality, most of those women, went after a guy out of their league and he had fun with her. He may even have given her a chance at a LTR, but her RMV was not good enough to keep him invested. So, some women get that, some just make t hemselves believe t hey were lied to, used,etc. Some actually are lied to, cheated on, but in many cases, i've seen women make themselves believe the (I was lied to, used,etc). In most cases, they weren't lied…
/r/PurplePillDebate07/02/22 04:48 PM
2

true, some do, some don't I think the more extreme the past, the more it would become a factor
/r/PurplePillDebate07/02/22 04:34 PM
2

they care deeply, when a guy they really want, is turned off by her past or is inquisitive.
/r/PurplePillDebate07/02/22 04:26 PM
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If he's really good, they won't know. How could they suspect? He's in great shape He's got his act together, work, life,etc He doesn't put up with any shit from her (within reason). I'm talking about her being a bitch He treats her very well and expects the same He expects her to have her shit together, be in shape, be able to earn a living, not spend more money than she earns and so on. Interesting isn't' it.
/r/PurplePillDebate07/02/22 03:09 PM
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true,
/r/PurplePillDebate07/02/22 03:02 PM
2

it's why I never believe what she says but observe. in time , a picture can be put together.
/r/PurplePillDebate07/02/22 02:56 PM
2

men would only care if interested in a LTR
/r/PurplePillDebate07/02/22 02:51 PM
1

men get a pass because to have a High N count, they actually need to be attractive.
/r/PurplePillDebate07/02/22 02:46 PM
3

Good advice
/r/PurplePillDebate07/02/22 02:04 PM
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as a guy near that age. A full belly and empty balls , goes a long way. She has to want to fulfill his sexual needs. If she doesn't want to, doesn't really care, then the relationship will start to unwind. It's common sense. If she's (invested) in me and my needs. I will invest in her. If a woman doesn't care about satisfying her guy, and I'm not talking about duty sex, some actual enthusiasm, then why should he invest his time in letting her whine about her day. Just an example. It does work bo…
/r/PurplePillDebate07/02/22 01:42 PM
2

Truth is not negative or positive. It just is
/r/PurplePillDebate05/02/22 10:09 PM
2

No. I’m not into casual. I’m chad but in looks and status only. Having sex with someone I’m not interested in does nothing for me
/r/PurplePillDebate05/02/22 01:17 PM
2

I know 😉
/r/PurplePillDebate05/02/22 01:12 PM
1

They have the potential. Is the key
/r/PurplePillDebate05/02/22 01:11 PM
2

Her feelings are hurt.
/r/PurplePillDebate05/02/22 01:10 PM
8

If you leave so what. Next
/r/PurplePillDebate05/02/22 01:09 PM
5

Trp teaches men how to be attractive to women. But part of that is not putting women on a pedestal. Put yourself first and make life what you want. What confuses many is that guys want different things. Some guys just want to get as many girls as they can. Pua. Is what they want then Some guys want to get into an ltr Some guys are in a ltr and want to keep it or make it better Some guys just want to figure out how to get a date. You take from it what you want.
/r/PurplePillDebate05/02/22 01:08 PM
1

Making it harder for them to land a hot nice guy.
/r/PurplePillDebate05/02/22 01:03 PM
1

Makes it harder for them to land a good provider post wall also. They don’t want guys to know the deal and don’t actually like thinking about it either
/r/PurplePillDebate05/02/22 01:02 PM
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So a lot of women out there have personality disorders I guess.
/r/PurplePillDebate05/02/22 12:59 PM
3

It’s good. Makes the filtering easier for the guys. It’s like when girls advertise they are feminists. Thx saves me time.
/r/PurplePillDebate05/02/22 12:56 PM
2

What they do not what they say.
/r/PurplePillDebate05/02/22 12:54 PM
1

Maybe they don’t talk to you about it.
/r/PurplePillDebate05/02/22 12:42 PM
2

Ah. We listen but seeing what you do is far more important
/r/PurplePillDebate05/02/22 12:40 PM
3

So. Hot guys who also can debate
/r/PurplePillDebate05/02/22 12:38 PM
1

It can be both boring and they don’t care.
/r/PurplePillDebate05/02/22 12:36 PM
1

So if a girl is trying to chase a chad. A guy above her and not having success. Or having casual sex with chads. Is that healthy ?
/r/PurplePillDebate04/02/22 12:44 PM
1

I"m ok being a hypocrit. Sluts are fun, but just for fun.
/r/PurplePillDebate03/02/22 02:41 PM
0

many women will get impacted by having many partners. Its a matter of, is it worth figuring it out.
/r/PurplePillDebate03/02/22 02:26 PM
2

the girls are upset that guys don't want to commit to high N count women.
/r/PurplePillDebate03/02/22 02:21 PM
1

I'd have a lot of fun with #1, wouldn't put a ring on her for sure. I'd keep my exit strategy updated. #2, wouldn't ever get past the first few dates I think, so the rest is irrelevant.
/r/PurplePillDebate03/02/22 02:05 PM
2

I wouldn't say, all are low value. I'd say they are a risk, I'd try to measure how big of a risk and is it worth investing in.
/r/PurplePillDebate02/02/22 08:22 PM
4

how would you know if it bothered him? My guess is he doesn't want to know, which is good. If you are low n, it's not an issue, since mostly from relationships. It doesn't matter to (you). It matters more to men as most women on here just can't understand because it's something they don't deal with. Women who have casual sex, are typically doing so with guys way above them. Men , even if they have casual sex, are typically at best, their SMV or generally lower. So, if you knew your guys slept ar…
/r/PurplePillDebate02/02/22 08:10 PM
2

so, an emotionally mature and secure man, could not possibly view a girl who's had a promiscuous past as someone not worth investing in? not possible? Why would he consider it a risk? How about, Why would he just not waste time on her and find someone who wasn't promiscuous?
/r/PurplePillDebate02/02/22 08:03 PM
1

you should stay in shape for you, for your overall health, mental well being,etc. I've been doing that since high school It also makes you more attractive. That's good and your partner probably appreciates it. I know I appreciate that my partner stays in shape. it's a win/win
/r/PurplePillDebate02/02/22 07:42 PM
1

(Then you might be waiting forever. Also, if you want a committed relationship, she has to be a 7 or 8 at 75-80 years old. The second she's not as hot as the day you met her you drop her)? Then I'll wait. When you are still active, you still want to be attracted to your partner. Yes, it's age factored also. I'm not a guy going for girls 20 years younger than me. She has to put effort in, workout,etc. When you partner stops that. They are (comfortable),etc. That's not good. think about it, if you…
/r/PurplePillDebate02/02/22 07:35 PM
3

Well, I'm with you with the drama, don't want it. But, If I'm used to 9's, I'm not gonna be happy with a 5 or 6. I'll wait for a girl with her shit together who's at least a 7 or 8. (looks matter less when you get older)? Hmm, I'm freaking old. I still want looks though. Not dead yet. Ex: in my age group, it's really tough to find a girl who's in shape and without drama and baggage. But, I just kept looking till I found one. Her experience was the same from a woman's view also.
/r/PurplePillDebate02/02/22 07:25 PM
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those women can do whatever they want true. Men can also do what they want. Chad will use her. But why do they still complain that they were (used, taken advantage of, lied to, etc)? Yes, she was with Chad, out of her league. So, don't complain. Also, don't complain about the non-chad's who will not commit to you because you were on the CC. It's his choice if he wants to deal with that. Oh, it's not just him either, tell me those girls aren't (damaged) by it. Think about it , if you are a guy, w…
/r/PurplePillDebate02/02/22 07:13 PM
3

except when there's a big difference in $$
/r/PurplePillDebate01/02/22 09:26 PM
-2

As an old man who's still jacked. All I can say is, I have no problem getting women. I have no problem getting women, 10+ years younger. When I was younger, I was jacked. My guy friends were lean and toned. So, I'd see who girls were attracted to in my group, at least from first contact. Let's say that your view is not the majority of women, like lean toned guys, they really like jacked guys. At least from my personal observation and experience. Which is all I really care about ;) But, TBH, I'm …
/r/PurplePillDebate01/02/22 09:17 PM
1

I'm a guy, but he seems proportional. I think most girls would find him hot
/r/PurplePillDebate01/02/22 06:05 PM
-4

put a competitive swimmers picture up against a competitive football player (corner back or linebacker). not even close. they do have some muscle, I'd call it toned. I would not call them muscular by any means though.
/r/PurplePillDebate01/02/22 03:33 PM
2

you live and learn. Vetting is tough along with trying to figure out what you like and don't like when young You didn't waste 7 months. You acquired knowledge about what you like and don't like and will use it in the future.
/r/PurplePillDebate01/02/22 03:31 PM
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I think you'd find most women are into light to medium muscular guys. The body should also be proportional also termed symmetry. big upper body, skinny legs is most common problem, doesn't look great. Traps, like most things, should be proportional.
/r/PurplePillDebate01/02/22 03:28 PM
2

never thought of it will be easy if she makes first move, guess I don't think that way. After the first intro's, its all about vetting anyway. "power" in the relationship often sways anyway. I think many women have bad results because they are swinging a bit high, going for guys quite a bit above them. The guy is willing to have fun, but he's not going to take it further than that, hence, he was a chad,etc. Is what the view from women is on this.
/r/PurplePillDebate01/02/22 03:22 PM
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but, you did get a date or whatever with him. After that, it's all about vetting as you know. The point is, you found someone attractive and made a move. That's great The end result, not good, but that could be the same waiting for a guy to make a move. I always like when women would either, right out and hit on me, or give me real clear signs of interest. I found that attractive, they were confident, going after what they wanted.
/r/PurplePillDebate01/02/22 03:19 PM
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In fact many people are giving their kids HGH when young, to gain height. Not good though, a persons body is what it is, if you (artificially) make it larger than it is supposed to be, it can cause lots of issues. Like taking lots of roids lifting weights. when adult, it's up to you. giving it to kids though, not good.
/r/PurplePillDebate01/02/22 02:55 PM
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they don't have any fat, but not much muscle either. They are just lean. Put your avg swimmer up against a linebacker in football.
/r/PurplePillDebate01/02/22 02:45 PM
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?? kind of vague. I think what you are asking is, does it hurt more,etc approaching and being rejected or waiting to be approached. It's much more difficult, hurtful to approach and be rejected. There's no doubt in the equation, you were rejected for whatever reason,etc. If you are not being approached, it's very open to whether someone may have been attracted to you,etc. It's not a rejection. It's a lost opportunity.
/r/PurplePillDebate01/02/22 02:38 PM
-2

(most women prefer swimmers bodies) Uhmm, some may actually prefer them, most women will find them attractive. But, I think without a doubt, a more muscular body than a (swimmer) is (preferred= ideal). Many women want muscle, swimmers dont' have muscle.
/r/PurplePillDebate01/02/22 02:26 PM
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(most women are picking avg men). yes, they have no other choice, and are not happy with it typically. These (avg) guys, are also living with that. Not good for either side.
/r/PurplePillDebate01/02/22 02:08 PM
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(more women are in relationships than men). Interesting, it leads to the following observations on that then. So, are you counting gay women or something? Or, that women believe they are in a relationship, but the man doesn't? Or, men are in several relationships with different women and not vice/versa?
/r/PurplePillDebate01/02/22 02:06 PM
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it's a generalization. Most techie guys are not physically attractive. Most are kind of geeky/nerds also in interests/hobbies. Like, they enjoy, scifi, cosplay, gaming,etc. Not typically attractive interests for women. As a techie, you have to sacrifice a lot in school and after, in regards to keeping up on technology/studies. You don't see the engineers out getting wasted on Thursday night in college for example. But, these are generalizations. I was an engineer, athlete and chad in college. Th…
/r/PurplePillDebate01/02/22 02:02 PM
2

Oh? How so?
/r/PurplePillDebate31/01/22 09:24 PM
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but men can trust women? I'll start with photo editing, lying about age, pictures from years ago. goes both ways, who has it worse? Doesn't matter, both got to vet them out
/r/PurplePillDebate31/01/22 09:03 PM
3

oh, soo many issues I can't list them all ;)
/r/PurplePillDebate31/01/22 08:57 PM
-1

what if she likes it?
/r/PurplePillDebate31/01/22 08:52 PM
0

feminism 2.0 is fine, beyond that. Nope, that's just hating or taking advantage of men anyway we can
/r/PurplePillDebate31/01/22 08:51 PM
2

she wants to pay me? maybe
/r/PurplePillDebate31/01/22 07:22 PM
2

vibrators are smaller, lower cost too
/r/PurplePillDebate31/01/22 06:48 PM
2

Yes, I'm in my 50's. But in top shape, muscular with abs. Very very few women in 50's are attractive to me I was generally dating girls about 10 years younger
/r/PurplePillDebate31/01/22 02:04 PM
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Attractive and in shape people over 50, stand out. There's not many of them. guy or girl, if you are in shape and decent attractive face, you are in demand
/r/PurplePillDebate31/01/22 01:39 PM
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let's say, people tend to age very differently. Yes, the older you get, even with good genes, you have to work harder to look good. Diet and working out. When you hit 45-50, most people have big changes. I'm over 55, I look better than most 25 yo guys. Takes effort, working out with weights is the key. Sex, is different for everyone. There's still a lot of 55+ having lots of sex. But, sure compared to 25yo's, less. For many ;) The wisdom part, sure, life experiences. RMV becomes more important
/r/PurplePillDebate31/01/22 01:35 PM
1

yup, too late
/r/PurplePillDebate31/01/22 01:26 PM
1

what would work with low smv guys is "accepting that they're just along for the ride". High smv guys, won't go along with that. She can hop on back of my bike, or I can find another girl who will
/r/PurplePillDebate31/01/22 01:18 PM
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yup, they've been chasing chad and she can't get him to commit. Each time, it messes her up more. If she doesn't have RMV, that type of guy won't commit.
/r/PurplePillDebate31/01/22 01:17 PM
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120K is not normal middle class salary. That's upper middle class. Agreed that it's a huge range when we talk about upper middle class up to wealthy. I think the avg person in US makes like 50k, that's middle class. So a Couple, who both work, think the avg income is like 75k
/r/PurplePillDebate31/01/22 01:14 PM
2

Is it really that hard to find a guy who's good? What's missing? curious
/r/PurplePillDebate31/01/22 01:10 PM
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damn, you are not cooperating with her mind control. Bad boy
/r/PurplePillDebate31/01/22 01:05 PM
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yes, this Men with high smv are still in the driving seat. Women with high smv but also rmv, are in demand but the quantity is decreasing
/r/PurplePillDebate31/01/22 12:55 PM
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That would work with low smv guys.
/r/PurplePillDebate31/01/22 12:54 PM
1

didn't she already have a few?
/r/PurplePillDebate31/01/22 12:52 PM
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(women will continue to price themselves out of the market chasing chads that will use them for sex). A slight edit: She's not complaining about the sex, she's complaining that he won't commit. He's not using her, she's just not getting what she wants.
/r/PurplePillDebate31/01/22 12:49 PM
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AVG is overweight, normal person is slim? In the USA, 73% of the adults are overweight, 42% obese. If you have a slim person, they are above avg actually at least in terms of body weight.
/r/PurplePillDebate28/01/22 07:39 PM
5

yup, rent them, don't buy them. ;)
/r/PurplePillDebate28/01/22 07:35 PM
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This is true, stats people. Painfully avg =smv 5 woman, will be attractive enough to 0-6 SMV men. that's the majority.
/r/PurplePillDebate28/01/22 07:33 PM
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(A lot of those women are probably in non-marital LTR's) Yup, and even if not in LTR's, they are very likely having sex. OP is not factoring in that your AVG 5 guy, has a hard time getting sex. Your AVG 5 girl, can get sex if she wants it.
/r/PurplePillDebate28/01/22 06:58 PM
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you mean it could be her fault? ;)
/r/PurplePillDebate28/01/22 03:40 PM
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(Attractive, fit women get into relationships with more average looking guys with a beer gut all the time) Money is the response to that.
/r/PurplePillDebate28/01/22 03:02 PM
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I sent you a link to the site, It's pretty good in my opinion and I've seen data from dexa scans which are most accurate for this. It measures, male/female but also age into account. Avg means, avg, (ideal) is what I'd call healthy and what people should be targeting. So, to me, AVG is kind of chubby, male or female from what I've seen. Ex. I'm old, male, but 20%, and I have abs showing and muscular. The chart say's I should be like 25-30%, I'd have love handles and a gut at that.
/r/PurplePillDebate28/01/22 02:55 PM
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https://www.newhealthadvisor.org/Body-Fat-Percentage-Chart.html
/r/PurplePillDebate28/01/22 02:53 PM
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25% for a woman, not skinny, It's avg for a women who's 25 yo.
/r/PurplePillDebate28/01/22 02:52 PM
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First, the person has to show some interest in actually talking with you. If she's got her phone out a lot and looking at it, not good. Many people like to talk about themselves, talking with someone who wants to hear about you is good sometimes. Make it a 50/50 discussion. HOw many of us have that friend or whatever that has to (control) the conversation , talking over people,etc. Boring. You can have a good conversation with someone who is interested in you, asking good questions and guiding t…
/r/PurplePillDebate28/01/22 02:41 PM
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quantum physics is cool.
/r/PurplePillDebate28/01/22 02:30 PM
2

that's a normal AF/BB scenario. when young, you don't care as much about the status. As you get older, you want someone at least at your earnings level or higher. As a result, your (SMV) minimum gets adjusted typically and RMV becomes more important.
/r/PurplePillDebate28/01/22 02:13 PM
5

yup, civilization will go on. May buy some stock in wineries.
/r/PurplePillDebate27/01/22 04:56 PM
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what is the outlook? Lower birth rate more single people Huge increase in wine consumption Huge increase in Cats Chad is still Chad
/r/PurplePillDebate27/01/22 02:44 PM
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If you have no assets, no property, etc. Sure, it's some money and paperwork and 3-6 months or so to be official. (in the states). If you do have assets,etc. And have been married for years. It is typically quite a bit more painful. also, if one person has disagreements. It is not just painful, it can be REALLY painful in many ways, not just financially. the second you each get lawyers involved, it goes downhill fast.
/r/PurplePillDebate27/01/22 01:48 PM
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oh, tallest girl I ever was with was 5 foot 10. She approached me. In general , I wouldn't even bother with girls around my height, unless they made clear intentions.
/r/PurplePillDebate26/01/22 08:40 PM
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oh, dress/groom is very important. Every girl crazy about a sharp dressed man. ZZ top
/r/PurplePillDebate26/01/22 08:38 PM
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https://agupubs.onlinelibrary.wiley.com/doi/10.1029/2020GL091585 that article is not (proving) that C02 is causing global warming or what they now call climate change. The earth has been warming for hundreds of years, with some breaks due to (event), like volcanic, sun spots,etc. I'm more worried about solar emission than I am about C02. We have one earth, correct. And reducing C02 while not a bad idea is not something that we have to throw enormous amounts of money at. Solar cells (dumb), Green…
/r/PurplePillDebate26/01/22 08:36 PM
-1

Of course you are seeing the opposite, it's controlled media. Climate change is a business. If you get on board, you get money for research, etc. It took off with Al Gore, he got the money train going, (there's money to be made), and he sure made lots. Oh it used to be called global warming, but when we'd have cold years they'd get pissed when people said it wasn't getting warmer. So, they called it climate change. Well, can't go wrong with that, the climate always has and always will be changin…
/r/PurplePillDebate26/01/22 06:44 PM
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hmm, well let's see , there's so many Al Gore Barack Obama Bill/Hillary clinton Bill Gates there's so many, how about who of these climate change activists, (don't) actually have ocean front property?
/r/PurplePillDebate26/01/22 06:41 PM
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Oh, you are a (believer). Good, let's talk Uhmm, I've been (building/designing) lasers probably since before you were born? Like in the 1980's? I know a bit about them. Your comments about C02, awesome. Prove to me that they are the actual cause of increasing temperatures? You can't prove it. I believe in (pure) science, the kind that can be repeated from raw data. The problem with climate science is 2 fold. 1) They keep adjusting the models and don't share the raw data. If you are a scientist, …
/r/PurplePillDebate26/01/22 06:39 PM
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only if you believe C02 actually is a contributor to warming our climate. Kind of like when they predicted the arctic would be ice free 20 years ago, but had the highest ice extent on record this last year. hmmm? Or, that Antarctica would loose it's ice sheet, but had record high ice levels last year? Why are they always wrong? ;)
/r/PurplePillDebate26/01/22 04:28 PM
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I'm old, was married, kids are grown. Never again for me, and I told her this. If I was young, no ring, unless kids were in picture then it doesn't really matter anymore. prenups can be challenged so easily and if you are married, you are paying her lawyer to fight against your prenup agreement.
/r/PurplePillDebate26/01/22 03:41 PM
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Went through about 40 Most didn't meet my standards, a few were just looking for casual and admitted it. Found one who we hit it off immediately. So far so good. I'll never do a ring again, but this is good.
/r/PurplePillDebate26/01/22 03:23 PM
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yes, no surprises. I wasn't doing the PUA, casual thing. I wanted to find a girl for a LTR, so wanted immediate attraction or not. so, WYSIWYG for sure.
/r/PurplePillDebate26/01/22 02:59 PM
-1

why are all the rich climate change advocates buying property on the beach? climate is always changing. Unfortunately so is the data models used for calculating it, now that we have an economy linked to (climate change), so that they can make money from it.
/r/PurplePillDebate26/01/22 02:57 PM
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great to hear a story like that. If you take anything from these threads. It should be to take care of yourself. keep in shape, work out. don't take her for granted , invest in your sex life, keep intimacy Have a fun and interesting life
/r/PurplePillDebate26/01/22 02:53 PM
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when Nixon opened China up, ever since, our politicians have been paid to make it attractive to move jobs overseas or import key labor to keep wages down.
/r/PurplePillDebate26/01/22 02:49 PM
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(top 1%), cmon, top 20% do very well. women want what they want, so do men. Women have power, only if you let them have it.
/r/PurplePillDebate26/01/22 02:48 PM
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From the OP, it was initiated by (her), he answered it as his ideal preference for example. You don't have to be with someone who's your (ideal) everything. You'd be surprised how much this doesn't matter. Does your partner find you attractive, hot? That's all that is needed. Agreed, if your partner tells you openly he prefers, x,y,z and it's not you. Then that's not good. Does she have DD cups? I mean if that's a requirement for him and you have a C cup, you'd know pretty early, wouldn't you. B…
/r/PurplePillDebate26/01/22 02:44 PM
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IF you lift heavy weights in your 30's and beyond. You likely wont' have an issue with bone density. Weight lifting has so many positive impacts on health. (If done properly with proper form).
/r/PurplePillDebate26/01/22 02:35 PM
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true, aging gets us all in the end. But, I'm delaying it as much as possible and my partner is too. I could get a younger girl for sure. But RMV is very important and she's attractive (enough) which you hear from the female side a lot. HMV guys also have this in play, she's attractive enough, RMV matters.
/r/PurplePillDebate26/01/22 02:33 PM
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this. when you are with someone Long term. Sometimes one or both, get (comfortable). Which means, they don't work out, they eat too much and turn into jello. Don't fall into (comfortable). Keep yourself in good shape, for you, for your health. You can't control what your partner does. But you can encourage a healthy lifestyle. If they don't want it. Well, sometimes people change and attractiveness is important.
/r/PurplePillDebate26/01/22 02:30 PM
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you are 5 ft 10. I'm that height. muscular and good looking. I have no problems at all. Sure, some women want 6 foot or more and won't budge. That's fine On OLD I stated my height, like I said, no problems at all and I didn't show shirtless, but tight fitting clothes so they got the view.
/r/PurplePillDebate26/01/22 02:20 PM
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If she's so "fearful" on the first date, don't go. If it's so scary, go to a public place, during the day. "most men are sexists". Seriously? what do you define as sexist, spell it out.
/r/PurplePillDebate26/01/22 02:17 PM
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(why are hordes of women willing to date these men)? Because it's exciting. They want Feelz
/r/PurplePillDebate26/01/22 02:07 PM
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height is important. Some women really will dismiss you unless you are (6 foot, whatever). Generalization, you need to be taller than her in 4 inch heels. You can make up for most women's (height) preference by having a rock hard body.
/r/PurplePillDebate26/01/22 02:03 PM
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Yup you wrote good messages. And you’re hot is what they left out. Funny girls I’m a few decades older. Same experiences. High rate of dates on old. I do think the message/conversation helps. But the girls liked the candy too. That’s what gets the attention
/r/PurplePillDebate26/01/22 01:50 PM
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As long as it’s in women’s favor. All is good
/r/PurplePillDebate26/01/22 01:38 PM
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But, RMV doesn't really matter for casual sex. Got to adjust equation for 2 paths. 1) Casual sex 2) Relationship/LTR
/r/PurplePillDebate25/01/22 06:39 PM
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in a LTR, they don't care about (personality)? seriously. So, if she's a total bitch, but hot, I'm just going to go with it? Not Not me at least. I was the hot jock in college, yes, I"ve seen it all and my guy friends would be pissed at the girls I was with. so, you go girl, every guy on here is a frustrated virgin. Go for it.
/r/PurplePillDebate25/01/22 03:09 PM
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But, are you boring too? Is he reflecting what he see's in you? Is it his job to entertain you?
/r/PurplePillDebate25/01/22 02:46 PM
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hmm, I would agree with that. They are followers of whatever is (correct group think) at the moment.
/r/PurplePillDebate25/01/22 02:41 PM
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Guys don't care about personality? In a LTR, I beg to differ. Some guys , low level guys will take what they can, but the higher the guy, he's not going to settle. I'm old, but yes, I've dated hot young girls. Why so nasty, immediately attacking me for what? Grow up girl, you gonna call me a virgin next?
/r/PurplePillDebate25/01/22 02:39 PM
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(there are some women who it doesn't apply to). it applies to all women, AWALT. But to what degree is the key
/r/PurplePillDebate25/01/22 02:30 PM
1

I would argue that the vast majority of people on this sub, have no idea how gravity actually works.
/r/PurplePillDebate25/01/22 02:18 PM
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but, this seems like you are agreeing with him, that some can't be redpilled. (they can't be convinced reality is anything different than what MSM, majority believe). Which I agree with, it's herd mentality which blue pill guys would naturally want to follow. Guys who are blue pill, are followers, they won't diverge from the (majority).
/r/PurplePillDebate25/01/22 02:17 PM
1

(there's a subset of men that can't be redpilled) And getting larger every day
/r/PurplePillDebate25/01/22 02:15 PM
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Funny, love the equations I disagree with the male rmv, with the <9, seems you are saying male RMV for good looking, tall guy , doesn't matter, his RMV = SMV? For RMV, even for a gorgeous guy, girls look at the other factors for sure. The other parts, I like.
/r/PurplePillDebate25/01/22 02:11 PM
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(it's all looks, men who say otherwise just can't get hot girls). no. If it's just for a hookup, sure, it's mostly looks. totally agree. If it's more than that, the RMV is very important, Looks is too, don't get me wrong, it's a combination. I dated many girls who were high 8's, 9's. Many of those girls had just terrible personalities. I let them go real quick, not worth it to me. I ended up dating girls who were 7-8's, generally because of personality. Yes, they were not as hot as the other gir…
/r/PurplePillDebate25/01/22 02:03 PM
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what your topic states is women (don't) have it easier with dating. As most things, it depends. take for example, Online dating today. Do women have a better opportunity getting connections from men. Yes, absolutely. Do women have a better opportunity for getting casual sex from men? Yes, OMG not even close. Do women have a better chance of finding someone worthy of dating LTR than men? No, they both have a rough road there. But, 2 out of 3 ain't bad.
/r/PurplePillDebate24/01/22 09:38 PM
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I would say, your very avg smv 5 guy and below would fit your description. As you move up, to and smv 7 and definitely 8, standards rise , VERY much. men with options, don't settle
/r/PurplePillDebate24/01/22 06:28 PM
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little red corvette
/r/PurplePillDebate24/01/22 04:24 PM
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won't be banned, but some limits will be placed, that's all.
/r/PurplePillDebate24/01/22 04:21 PM
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what if the woman wants to abort the child, but has to get the fathers permission first. WOW, that is a different perspective eh? woman want it both ways and the courts are going along with it so far. I think that will change soon to be honest.
/r/PurplePillDebate24/01/22 03:22 PM
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how am I making my partner feel insecure? explain
/r/PurplePillDebate24/01/22 03:18 PM
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let me simplify it. (each woman is going to do what she things is best for herself). Yup. I don't blame them, men will do it also. Comes down to practical measure of yourself and expectations. That's just for the attraction part, one would hope after that initial attraction, it's a lot more than that.
/r/PurplePillDebate24/01/22 02:52 PM
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(the only difference between the avg Joe and chad is getting into relationships) Avg Joe is like an smv 5 or 6. Chad is at least a smv 8 The reason that chad can easily get into relationships is because all the women want him. He doesn't even need relationships to have sex, casual sex is available for Chads. Yes, women , who are smv 6 or above, can have sex with Chad. If her SMV is below 7, she's probably not going to get a LTR with Chad, just sex. Does that benefit her? Maybe initially, good fe…
/r/PurplePillDebate24/01/22 02:47 PM
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I don't consider it a game. It is a reminder for men to (make yourself priority 1). Don't think it's unhealthy, I think women do it more naturally than men in fact.
/r/PurplePillDebate24/01/22 02:27 PM
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A man generally has casual sex with girls below his SMV, but some guys are willing to go way below. Women generally only want guys higher than their SMV for casual. IG models are for fun, that's about it. There's 2 tracks here. (1) is for casual, (2) is for LTR potential. Much different standards there. (men have high standards for look, but not for other factors which are more important)? Please explain.
/r/PurplePillDebate24/01/22 02:14 PM
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Or, you have fun with the slutty girls and wait to find a non-slutty girl for a LTR. Also, men aren't forcing women to do anything. So, don't blame them
/r/PurplePillDebate24/01/22 01:59 PM
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sounds like you are blaming men, for what women are doing.
/r/PurplePillDebate24/01/22 01:58 PM
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Yes, physical touch, love language. A slap in the ass. Hug, or a 10 second kiss. don't need to say anything
/r/PurplePillDebate24/01/22 01:55 PM
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In general, words are cheap. How many different guys has a 30 yo woman said I love you to , for example? 10, 50? Actions, are much more important. Show, your love in your actions, every day. I give my girl, I love you, but not nearly as much as she does to me. It just doesn't mean anything to me and she knows it, actions are all that matter. I say it, or try to say it once in awhile , for her, not for me. Know people are different, some really need words of affirmation, which is fine. But, words…
/r/PurplePillDebate24/01/22 01:53 PM
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(She) has to love him more, than he loves her. That's the guide. It's generally saying, don't get oneitis for her and put her on a pedestal.
/r/PurplePillDebate24/01/22 01:40 PM
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How about, (my body , my choice)? If it's her choice, why does he have to pay? He has no input into the matter, then the courts decide what he has to pay. No input, no choice. Women will complain, well he did his part, he has to pay. No, it's her choice to have the baby, not his. You can't have it both way's. Flip it, what if you (woman) didn't want the baby, you will get an abortion. But, you can't get an abortion without the father's consent? OMG, right? NFW, my body my choice.
/r/PurplePillDebate24/01/22 01:38 PM
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Women love to get attention from guys. But only guys they are interested in.
/r/PurplePillDebate23/01/22 03:23 AM
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Most girls won’t dump a guy with high n count. They will be worried about it but he’s high n because he’s high value. Reasons why he’d dump a girl that makes him wait. Does he believe she made other guys wait. So it depends. Does she show that’s she’s into him. But wants to wait. Why? And again did she make others wait ?
/r/PurplePillDebate23/01/22 02:46 AM
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True. See it all the time.
/r/PurplePillDebate22/01/22 08:42 PM
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You are butt hurt. Look. If you enjoy your life. That’s great. Don’t force me to believe your way is the way. I enjoy mine just the way it is. Works for me. If yours works for you. That’s great.
/r/PurplePillDebate22/01/22 08:38 PM
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And some advice. Look at your responses to me. Very condescending. But I ignored it. I’m sure a lot of people will tune you out or come right back at you for it. Before responding quick. Read through them. Be honest with yourself.
/r/PurplePillDebate22/01/22 04:38 PM
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A bit sensitive when people don’t agree with your view.
/r/PurplePillDebate22/01/22 04:30 PM
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Well men and women generally want the same things. Right
/r/PurplePillDebate22/01/22 04:29 PM
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Ah. So. You are right. I am wrong. Ok. Yup open minded.
/r/PurplePillDebate22/01/22 04:24 PM
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I like my view of the world. It’s real. I don’t try to change it. I adapt to it and get what I want from it. It’s ok your views. This is what red pill shoes as oneitis and fairy tale. For men. It’s not good to fall into that. For women maybe it is. I’m not a woman.
/r/PurplePillDebate22/01/22 04:16 PM
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Oh but your view is reality of course. You take yours. I’m happy with mine.
/r/PurplePillDebate22/01/22 04:12 PM
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I’ve seen many fairy tale relationships crash and burn. If you guys are happy. That’s great. But I don’t advocate young men looking for that. Yes a foot out the door. It’s like trust but verify. If both you and your mate are high smv. It’s tough. Lots of choices lots of temptations. The lower smv you are the less this is an issue. When you both have lots of options it’s a stabilizer in the relationship to never take for granted and we are not stuck with each other.
/r/PurplePillDebate22/01/22 02:36 PM
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Not Getting picked and putting your neck out there asking a girl out is very different. Everyone has had bad experiences. I understand women very well as I’ve been with many over my many years. Not bitter Speaking truth from real life experience. I’ve had many women throw themselves at me as I’m a high smv guy. I always try to be nice about it. But many really freak out over it. Looks that kill for example.
/r/PurplePillDebate22/01/22 02:29 PM
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Women give signs of interest. But it’s a far cry from having to actually make the actual move. Yes after dates. Well that’s what everyone deals with. But it’s much more hard on men having to usually make first contact or move. Something men learn to deal with. Or most. Some have hard times with it.
/r/PurplePillDebate22/01/22 02:23 PM
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What repercussions and undesirable outcomes? His standards are just that. Doesn’t matter if it’s hypocritical. Like the 5 foot girl who only dates guys 6 feet tall ? Same there but that’s her standard. I actually advocate for women to wait for sex until you know you are compatible. Yup. A lot of guys won’t wait. These are reasons why. But if you were into casual sex and such. You have to live with that. Most women won’t like their guy who was into casual. But they will generally overlook it. Men…
/r/PurplePillDebate22/01/22 02:19 PM
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The topic is the opposite sex and dating experience. My statements try to explain the vast advantage women have in dating. Your statements try to make excuses of why women have it hard. Sorry I’m not feeling it. Women can get abused sure. So do men. Women have dry spells for orgasms? Not really part of this. The fact you won’t be getting those amazing guys past age 35. Ugh. Just more feed for AF/BB. I don’t have a lot of empathy for women in dating area. Women have much less so for men is one of…
/r/PurplePillDebate22/01/22 02:09 PM
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Men are rejected much more due to the fact that women generally expect them to make the first move
/r/PurplePillDebate21/01/22 11:20 PM
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says Luke Sotir, financial professional with EquitableAdvisors in the greater Boston area. That has had the effect of wipingout the marriage penalty for most people as it relates to tax brackets.Sotir notes, "It really only affects higher earners at this point." only impacts people in higher brackets
/r/PurplePillDebate21/01/22 08:47 PM
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From US News: The 2017 tax reform law made changes to tax brackets so now the income levels for married couples filing jointly are roughly double that of single filers. "It's basically the same until you get to the higher brackets," says Luke Sotir, financial professional with Equitable Advisors in the greater Boston area. That has had the effect of wiping out the marriage penalty for most people as it relates to tax brackets. Sotir notes, "It really only affects higher earners at this point." D…
/r/PurplePillDebate21/01/22 08:35 PM
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yes, and the tax site is actually talking about if you have to pay the marriage penalty tax. Geez, what don't you get
/r/PurplePillDebate21/01/22 08:25 PM
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If the brides family can afford I guess Would be nice
/r/PurplePillDebate21/01/22 08:21 PM
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no it doesn't you are too lazy to actually read. but, don't worry, you obviously don't make this amount so don't have to worry about it. Even if the marriage penalty applies to you, don't throw away your marriage goals for the sake of lower taxes. It's a perfect time to work with your spouse to implement new tax strategies that will make marriage a bonus in all areas of your life.
/r/PurplePillDebate21/01/22 08:19 PM
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don't be lazy https://www.fool.com/taxes/is-there-really-a-marriage-tax-penalty/
/r/PurplePillDebate21/01/22 08:16 PM
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oh really? so, go do a search on the marriage tax penalty. I payed that many years, don't tell me it doesn't exist. You wouldn't know probably because you don't make enough.
/r/PurplePillDebate21/01/22 07:55 PM
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damn straight
/r/PurplePillDebate21/01/22 07:43 PM
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actually, in the US, getting married is actually a tax (hit), not savings. However, couples living together get savings due to shared expenses. You don't need marriage for that. Are we going to include the $40K wedding costs, ring, dress, etc? Just curious? ;)
/r/PurplePillDebate21/01/22 07:42 PM
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You are describing (disney) fairy tales I don't believe in fairy tales. I value, loyalty, trust and the idea that it's a partnership, each has to do their job or want to. When that (want) to , subsides, if it does, then you reevaluate. The idea is never feel (stuck) with someone. Never take that person for (granted) I believe that leads to a poor ending.
/r/PurplePillDebate21/01/22 07:29 PM
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Joe xiden
/r/PurplePillDebate21/01/22 06:28 PM
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I thought everything free in America
/r/PurplePillDebate21/01/22 05:32 PM
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At the end of the day. I like what I like and don’t care what someone’s telling me I should. But they can keep trying if they want.
/r/PurplePillDebate21/01/22 05:31 PM
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Weapon? Hmm I like to think so 😉
/r/PurplePillDebate21/01/22 05:30 PM
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Very true. Girls don’t handle rejection well. It’s something they rarely have to deal with
/r/PurplePillDebate21/01/22 05:21 PM
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this is truth
/r/PurplePillDebate21/01/22 03:28 PM
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why do you assume that this conversation occurred? Why do you assume, he mislead her? you are saying, you can't go on dates, cuddle or hold hands and have sex, but only want casual relationship? what's to say, after getting to know her a bit and her personality, she doesn't meet his LTR standards, but is fun for casual. Again if there's no commitment , there should be no assumptions.
/r/PurplePillDebate21/01/22 03:16 PM
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she didn't get what she wanted. so it's his fault of course (hamster) Bottom line is, have a conversationg about this stuff first before dipping into the water. Especially if you are going to be hurt about it. How about, actually getting to know them first, more than 2-3 dates and see who this person really is or an idea about it?
/r/PurplePillDebate21/01/22 03:13 PM
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you are female? Picture a universe the opposite of ours. where women crave sex, much higher than men. Men can get casual sex anytime they want, with women much higher in SMV than them. Women, if they are lucky, can get a guy at their SMV no better, typically lower. Ex, a woman who's smv 7, could get a guy maybe who's a 7, typically a 5 or 6. Also, the guy you get, has been with many girls, much hotter than you. That's the world men live in. That is except high smv guys, 8-10,
/r/PurplePillDebate21/01/22 02:58 PM
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I don't know, my girl calls me daddy a lot ;) would never put up with a woman trying to treat me like her kid, I had one try, she's gone. If women don't like how their guy is, they should leave, not try to change him. Same for guys. Don't try to change anyone.
/r/PurplePillDebate21/01/22 02:54 PM
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that's awesome, made my day
/r/RedPillWomen21/01/22 02:39 PM
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?? you realize it's accepted that women generally always go up in SMV for men. Men generally get their smv or less with women. So, I think you have this backwards.
/r/PurplePillDebate21/01/22 01:47 PM
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If women had to experience dating from a male view, I think the mental health clinics wouldn't be able to handle the load. I'd buy more stock in anti-depressants.
/r/PurplePillDebate21/01/22 01:44 PM
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(I'm pointing out that men who have this standard can't complain about women having a sexaul past if they also have a history of sleeping around). No, they can do whatever they want. You can call it hypocrisy if you want, don't care. It's like this. If a girls sleeps around , then finds a guy she likes and makes him wait and he dumps her because he doesn't want to wait. She can't complain. Interesting twist, eh?
/r/PurplePillDebate21/01/22 01:36 PM
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You really don’t get it A girl who’s a 6 smv can get banged by smv 8 guys anytime. Because they are pretty. No. Because he just wanted sex. That’s all. Get it? The guy treating the ltr girl nice is treating her nice What you are saying is the girl having casual sex with the hot guy but making the nice guy wait is what. Nice? That AF/BB. Why do you think it’s equal ?
/r/PurplePillDebate21/01/22 01:24 AM
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Ha no my dear. I have no problem getting women. I think you are worried your history impacts you. I have fun with girls like you. But not more.
/r/PurplePillDebate21/01/22 01:07 AM
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Valid. Many men have low standards and will go way down in smv for sex. A 7 smv girl for casual wants 8 or 9 smv guys
/r/PurplePillDebate21/01/22 12:33 AM
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Guys like this are smart and have standards. I’m guessing why this gets you upset is you don’t meet those standards
/r/PurplePillDebate21/01/22 12:31 AM
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First. If he’s doing hookups. He earned it. Women don’t need anything to have sex. Second he’s not treating the ltr girl badly. He’s actually treating her nice. On the flip the slut girl is making her nice guy wait but the others didn’t have to. How would you take that?
/r/PurplePillDebate21/01/22 12:29 AM
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Porn in general is not good. It has negative impact like girls having casual hookups with chad. Both have impacts.
/r/PurplePillDebate20/01/22 10:24 PM
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I agree. Porn in general is not good. It’s as bad an impact as girls having casual sex with chads. Both have an impact.
/r/PurplePillDebate20/01/22 10:22 PM
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I agree. Porn in general is not good. It’s as bad an impact as girls having casual sex with chads. Both have an impact.
/r/PurplePillDebate20/01/22 10:21 PM
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Women don’t want to compared to the girls In porn and don’t want their guys getting expectations. Also she was with chad but that’s not the same ……🙄
/r/PurplePillDebate20/01/22 10:16 PM
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Yes but men need to actually have something to sleep around. So men who can or do have high worth.
/r/PurplePillDebate20/01/22 10:11 PM
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They can hopefully learn from their mistakes. But why are women upset that there’s men who won’t be interested in them because of those mistakes.
/r/PurplePillDebate20/01/22 10:09 PM
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Sounds like af/bb to me
/r/PurplePillDebate20/01/22 10:03 PM
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I'm old, you only have one family. Think of it as a good learning experience in how to minimize your interaction with people. Better than ghosting them.
/r/PurplePillDebate20/01/22 09:43 PM
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no, relationships were hard enough when I was young before social media and such. today so many young are just making trouble for their future. I see whats going on and try to educate my kids on the (current and past) impact your future.
/r/PurplePillDebate20/01/22 09:40 PM
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You can be in a casual relationship with them, as long as you know what you can and can't say. Same with friendship. Hell I have siblings that you can't say anything to because the whole family will know. We all just live with it and try to keep it minimum. Can't change your family But yes, in a real LTR with a girl like that, no. If you can't trust her with things,why bother.
/r/PurplePillDebate20/01/22 09:21 PM
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I would argue not quite at all. You have in one case, men (watching sex with high SMV women) In the other case you have women actually having sex with high SMV men) not quite the same
/r/PurplePillDebate20/01/22 09:18 PM
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compassion and helping people out , shouldn't impact whether you want a relationship or not. yes, I have demands, expectations in a relationship. some are not negotiable. I require that she treat me as I treat her. I require that she meet my expectations of a relationship. Little drama, bitching/complaining about life in general. Positive attitude and outlook she earns a living that she can support herself on. She lives within her budget. Tidy home, good cook, healthy clean lifestyle. I am the s…
/r/PurplePillDebate20/01/22 09:14 PM
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assume that anything you tell her, even in most strict confidence, will be known by her entire friend group and sisters.
/r/PurplePillDebate20/01/22 07:34 PM
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I sacrifice my time and attention, with a woman who deserves it and earns it.
/r/PurplePillDebate20/01/22 07:33 PM
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Let me make it simple for you. If she had 20 partners by age 22, she's a hoe. Do I really care why she's a hoe? Remember, I'm just getting to know this woman and now understand she's a hoe. If she was trying to fix trauma, had abuse,etc. Not my problem to deal with and actually raises red flags, walk away. If she just wanted to have sex with as many hot guys as she could because it raises her ego. You can call it what you want, she's a hoe. That's my subjective view.
/r/PurplePillDebate20/01/22 07:32 PM
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You are trivializing the N count, quite a bit. Look, if a woman has a very high N count, I consider that high risk for LTR success. You can ask why if you really don't know, but cmon, you really don't know why? Yes, who they have sex with, what kind of sex,etc is also part of the equation. I"m always confused on here why women try to convince men that high N count doesn't matter. For most women, it does seem to matter if their guy has a high N count, I've seen lots of women say, that's a (stop) …
/r/PurplePillDebate20/01/22 06:44 PM
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I agree on the first part, it only matters if I'm actually looking at her as a possible LTR. The second part, i don't sacrifice. I know my worth, I'm actually focused on what her worth is, what does she add to my life. I"m sure she's doing the same to me, which is fine. I expect that. The more promiscuous she was or I believe she was, the less leeway I give her. Why? The higher the N count, the higher the risk. Is she worth it and Is she showing me that "I'm" worth it to her.
/r/PurplePillDebate20/01/22 06:39 PM
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yes, good points. look, women don't need to do or have anything to get a high N count. Men do, they need to be a high smv and or personality to get high N count. Not only that, but women can be with men, much higher than their SMV. So, if a girl is promiscuous, I can almost guarantee the guys she had casual sex with are much (hotter), higher SMV, than her boyfriend she's looking to get into a LTR with. that's what guys are looking at also. Are looks everything? No But, do you like being compared…
/r/PurplePillDebate20/01/22 06:35 PM
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I"m almost 60. I find this sub interesting. A lot of young/immature though but maybe they'll learn something.
/r/PurplePillDebate20/01/22 03:15 PM
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So, what does fully commit mean to you. What if he doesn't want to talk about certain things that bother him, some things in his past,etc. I think most on here are saying, men should "limit" how much they share. Is that wrong? why?
/r/PurplePillDebate20/01/22 03:13 PM
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it will be used against you. And, all her gf's will know what you opened up about also.
/r/PurplePillDebate20/01/22 03:11 PM
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I think both are equally of concern. If she's having that much sex with women, then she's bi or gay. I'm not interested in a LTR with a women who's either. That's just me though.
/r/PurplePillDebate20/01/22 03:03 PM
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yup, I do math differently than most, but I'm old. I assume all girls at my age (near my age) have been on the CC, lots of partners. Doesn't really matter. I just vet them on how they treat me, do they meet my standards and so on. I don't give too many (chances), I have too many options to waste my time.
/r/PurplePillDebate20/01/22 02:57 PM
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Interesting. Explain in detail why, a guy should be patient and wait for sex with a girl who has a promiscuous past? How long should he be expected to (wait)? Why should he not just realize, she's just not that into me? Why shouldn't he just move onto a girl who won't make him wait?
/r/PurplePillDebate20/01/22 02:53 PM
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If you have changed, then it's not a "lie". However, time is the judge of that and is your partner interested in investing in that time to see if it's true or not? A person who was in the hook up phase, is a higher risk in a LTR. I'm sure some will say no, not true at all. But many will view it as a higher risk, is that person worth investing in to figure it out?
/r/PurplePillDebate20/01/22 02:42 PM
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You are free to learn from mistakes. Your partner is also free to judge them
/r/PurplePillDebate20/01/22 02:39 PM
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poly is AF/BB in play. AF for the (poly) hookups and BB for the (partner)
/r/PurplePillDebate20/01/22 02:20 PM
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Don't expect or want the person you are with to (change). Take them as they. Assume they will not change. Then ask yourself, do you want to be with this person?
/r/PurplePillDebate19/01/22 01:53 PM
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(men accept women as they are and men are expected to change for women) of course, women are perfect, aren't they? In reality, no one should want to (change) anyone in a relationship. take them as they are and decide if you want them or not.
/r/PurplePillDebate19/01/22 01:51 PM
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women have high standards physically for (casual) relationships women will moderate those standards for a LTR, other items come into play for RMV. RMV is more important in a LTR than SMV. For a LTR, he has to be (good enough) for SMV. some men have no standards or almost none for (casual). some men have high standards, it varies upon his thirst at the moment or just in general. some men, believe it or not, don't do casual. Same with women
/r/PurplePillDebate19/01/22 01:13 PM
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True. I make them earn it
/r/PurplePillDebate18/01/22 11:50 PM
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I want a sammich once in awhile too
/r/PurplePillDebate18/01/22 07:58 PM
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Well, "love" aside, there is truth to this. I think men do want love and want to be loved. As for a women who make a good living/income. It's one of the reasons why you see more women not (settling) for guys. Women are earning more than the past, in the 20-30 age group, women out earn men and I see that accelerating. So, in the past, financial was a big consideration to settling down for women. The men made more,etc. That's not really true anymore. Yes, it helps having 2 incomes,etc. But, it's m…
/r/PurplePillDebate18/01/22 03:20 PM
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TRP is a guide to show female true nature and what they are attracted to. TRP helps guide men in this and also self improvement towards this and life in general (with or without women). Now, what a specific guy wants (out of the RP) can vary greatly. some just want to be PUA and have fun some are in LTR's and want to keep it or improve it some want to get a LTR some just want to try to get a date Some of the reasons why you see so much variance of what the RP is from men.
/r/PurplePillDebate18/01/22 02:51 PM
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of course, something that is so easily obtained, is not desired as much. One of the reasons women when looking for casual sex, just look for the hottest guy, something they usually can't obtain for LTR.
/r/PurplePillDebate18/01/22 02:44 PM
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Very true
/r/PurplePillDebate18/01/22 02:35 PM
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I"m old. I've been in many many situations , wakes/funerals where guys were crying/shed tears. In almost all of those situations, their women were not disgusted or put off by it. I do agree, the situations where it is (acceptable) are small.
/r/PurplePillDebate18/01/22 02:30 PM
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how many guys don't shed a tear for the death of a parent or sibling for example? not going out of control, just a few tears. that's normal, I mean who would want to be with a woman who couldn't handle that.
/r/PurplePillDebate18/01/22 02:20 PM
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this is a repeat of question from yesterday or something
/r/PurplePillDebate18/01/22 02:04 PM
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in general, i'd agree with what you say, but it varies by the guy. I have high standards but I'm a high smv. I think the lower your smv, the more your standards are flexible. Abundance theory
/r/PurplePillDebate18/01/22 02:03 PM
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for some women maybe, I'd remove them pretty quick. Shedding tears for a love one, if she can't handle that, don't want her
/r/PurplePillDebate18/01/22 02:01 PM
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Got to say, I do prefer my women don't have issues either. I don't like overly emotional women which to me = drama, either. I do expect the avg woman to be much more emotional that the avg guy. But we all have our limits, mine is pretty low in that area.
/r/PurplePillDebate18/01/22 01:48 PM
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For casual sex/ONS, its mostly physical attraction. So, generally women want the most (attractive) guy they can get. Many men, just want sex, so they are willing to be a lot more flexible on physical attraction. For LTR, it's a lot more than that, both sides are the same there.
/r/PurplePillDebate18/01/22 01:44 PM
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Women want their man to be open and vulnerable with them. they don't however, want their men to be really emotional, like crying or complaining/whining. I know some of you women will say, Oh, I love when my man cries. Trust me, you are NOT the norm. Crying with death of loved one, fine, it's expected. Crying because the steelers got their butt kicked, no, not good. There's a fine line with being an emotional rock/stoic and a robot with no feeling also. The other is being vulnerable and overly em…
/r/PurplePillDebate18/01/22 01:35 PM
2

I’d say staying away from marriage is pushed in rp. Commitment should be taken very seriously and takes time to vet. Don’t do it quickly and make her earn it.
/r/PurplePillDebate18/01/22 12:38 PM
0

It’s bs. Unvax 25 year old and 85 with it. Total crap
/r/PurplePillDebate18/01/22 12:26 AM
1

That’s so untrue. Where are those facts. From the cdc. Oh right I trust them? Not. How many times do they have to lie or be wrong. So funny.
/r/PurplePillDebate18/01/22 12:19 AM
2

Joint yes. She is primary. The guy gets ever other weekend and an evening a week. That’s the default for the courts here. I know many many guys who got this.
/r/PurplePillDebate18/01/22 12:07 AM
-1

Oh please. If father and mother want custody. Mother wins unless maybe she’s a felon. It’s automatic. Just stop
/r/PurplePillDebate17/01/22 09:30 PM
0

Ya well this supposed one is about zero % effective.
/r/PurplePillDebate17/01/22 09:27 PM
3

A model looking chad probably. I don’t like them bigger than me. Like my girls I like fit and muscular. I’d probably make my own Fembot probably.
/r/PurplePillDebate17/01/22 08:22 PM
3

It’s more how many are dismissing you quickly.
/r/PurplePillDebate17/01/22 07:56 PM
1

fembots?
/r/PurplePillDebate17/01/22 07:43 PM
1

ha, it already is changing, isn't it? big is beautiful
/r/PurplePillDebate17/01/22 07:41 PM
5

Law is not (fair), nothing in it is. It's what you can get away with Right now courts have a bias towards women and against men.
/r/PurplePillDebate17/01/22 07:39 PM
3

ah, as long as things are in women's favor, it's all good, right. sorry, I've seen this in person. even had lawyers on here say, no, no it's not true, then got them to say, courts tend to stay in tradition of things. Yup, and it's in women's favor, so no problem there.
/r/PurplePillDebate17/01/22 07:00 PM
1

usually the courts decide what is (fair) in terms of palimony. some states are totally crazy, like MA, they force the father to pay for college until the kid is like 25. NOTE, the father doesn't have a choice, they deem it you have to pay. so, yes, marriage means letting the govt decide what is (fair). Having kids, risks that even if not married. The courts will get involved. The courts still side heavily on the woman's side. Again, depends on the state and the individual judge, law is anything …
/r/PurplePillDebate17/01/22 06:44 PM
1

vaccines are good, when they actually work and are actually by definition, vaccines = will keep you from getting this disease, will keep you from passing on this disease. What we have today is , uhmm, something like medicine that provides neither, but for some reason is being pushed, forced, on us by all means necessary. That's strange isn't it?
/r/PurplePillDebate17/01/22 06:03 PM
-1

I actually see the opposite. The left are the ones who are intolerant of opinions other than their own. Hence why Big brother media silences anything against that view.
/r/PurplePillDebate17/01/22 06:00 PM
2

this could be taken a few different ways. I think you are saying if you took time to get to know me, that view of being confident and not a bitch,etc you would see? If yes, then the only issue is how long would it take to see that? Some may not give you much opportunity to show yourself.
/r/PurplePillDebate17/01/22 05:56 PM
1

exactly, she can't attract (those) type of guys anymore
/r/PurplePillDebate17/01/22 03:54 PM
3

just need legal prostitution next
/r/PurplePillDebate17/01/22 03:51 PM
10

exactly, young men today are open taught and told (they) are the problem in society. They are a problem to (women),etc. You think they are going to care and protect a system that openly hates them?
/r/PurplePillDebate17/01/22 03:50 PM
1

They young guys are checking out early due to social media. All the top guys are getting the girls. these are the lower guys, smv 5-6 or less in that age bracket. so, they check out, play video games, don't stay in shape, don't care about making a good living. Live in parents house at 25 or 30,etc. Normally , in past, those 20 year olds, would get a good job, keep themselves in the game and by 30, they were interesting to women. That's becoming less now. so at 30, they are probably even lower in…
/r/PurplePillDebate17/01/22 03:49 PM
2

but, typically you have to make at least as much as her for a LTR or more. Ideally a good amount more In the 20-30 age group, women out earn men now and that will continue and is increasing. Let's see what happens in 10 years when this group of women are now 30-40, it's going to be interesting.
/r/PurplePillDebate17/01/22 03:45 PM
5

If women were all unattractive and ugly? I'd probably go after guys
/r/PurplePillDebate17/01/22 03:42 PM
7

(manipulate) women? where is that coming from? Yes, some men have loads of options. If you ever had a man like this, you'd know.
/r/PurplePillDebate17/01/22 03:37 PM
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very rational. No ring though and living in a place that does not observe common law marriage. Marriage is for women and the govt. If kids come into the picture, that's possible, you are screwed financially either way if you split if in the states and some states much worse than others.
/r/PurplePillDebate17/01/22 03:34 PM
15

Is a confident woman a threat? I assume you mean a threat to me? No, I only date confident women. I don't however like women who believe I have to (earn) something or that I have to (prove) something. I do expect her to vet me and guess what, I'm doing the same to her. But in a casual way, not an interview or grilling. I find confident women to have a healthier mental state and relationship value. why did you get a lot of in your place feedback? I didn't read it all, but I think guys will point …
/r/PurplePillDebate17/01/22 03:28 PM
1

hmm, sex and relationship are much different. women do have many options above them, men generally not. but settling for sex with someone meh? Again, if it's just for sex and you want that ok. I hope that would never be the case for a relationship.
/r/PurplePillDebate17/01/22 03:22 PM
2

true, exceptions made for the bedroom
/r/PurplePillDebate17/01/22 03:20 PM
2

Good logical plan
/r/PurplePillDebate17/01/22 01:16 AM
0

No ring though. Just ltr
/r/PurplePillDebate16/01/22 05:56 PM
1

I don’t wait long. If I’m interested and they don’t seem to be really into me. I’m gone pretty quick
/r/PurplePillDebate15/01/22 03:37 PM
1

It depends. Like I’m old. Not interested in kids. Mine are grown. If she’s in great shape. Which is rare. She’s in demand
/r/PurplePillDebate15/01/22 02:26 PM
1

? Not sure your point.
/r/PurplePillDebate14/01/22 09:18 PM
1

I agree who wants to depend upon her mood. That’s why I don’t do tinder. I agree a lot of women use it for attention. But don’t think that’s all they use it for. And that’s fine.
/r/PurplePillDebate14/01/22 09:16 PM
0

Yes and often a bit more If she is in mood
/r/PurplePillDebate14/01/22 08:01 PM
1

I know a lot of power lifters who were very strong, and fat. It goes with the territory, they are trying to put as much muscle on as they can and gain the weight. No doubt they probably don't have issues with girls, as long as not too fat or ugly. but, the point is, take that power lifter body, change that person to a body builder type body. 90% of women will go for the body builder shape.
/r/PurplePillDebate14/01/22 06:26 PM
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excellent comments/view. (dumber), no, I like intelligent women, I think most (confident) men do. But there's a difference between confidence and arrogance, bragging,etc. This is what I expect my partner to be like I treat them the way I like to be treated is another way of looking at it
/r/PurplePillDebate14/01/22 04:58 PM
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I think this is kind of normal, it's (vetting). you are wary/careful in the relationship and they have to earn your trust/respect,etc. That takes time. Like any relationship over time, is there improvement, moving in right direction. If he/she is stuck, not giving more, not changing, you make decisions from there
/r/PurplePillDebate14/01/22 04:47 PM
1

shared custody sucks, especially if it's a boy and you are trying to raise him to be a man.
/r/PurplePillDebate14/01/22 04:34 PM
1

Women are more turned on by looks/appearance women aren't normally turned on by the strongest guy in the club. They are looking at the best looking guy in the club
/r/PurplePillDebate14/01/22 03:28 PM
0

that's what Tinder is for.
/r/PurplePillDebate14/01/22 03:21 PM
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yes, it's possible. It's not just physical attraction. It takes effort and you actually have to like being with the other person
/r/PurplePillDebate14/01/22 03:05 PM
2

work hard and I think you will find the effort worthwhile Good luck to you
/r/PurplePillDebate14/01/22 02:41 PM
2

hmm, I have some experience with women who do what you say. They make it a challenge. I learned very early to avoid them. Drama, etc. You recognize what you are doing. Are you working on that, with prof help also? I think you are correct, the men you will attract with this personality are what you way they are. A guy like me , I wouldn't waste 5 minutes on that behavior, at best you'd be friendzoned if you treated me well. As my girl says, (you are awesome, you are the best man I've known). I tr…
/r/PurplePillDebate14/01/22 02:29 PM
2

she may not be able to divorce rape you (check common law marriage in your location). But, be careful about a razormachine JR. coming in to the picture.
/r/PurplePillDebate14/01/22 02:23 PM
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that is true, many people (men/women) after years of dating/many relationships, tend to get this way. They give "less" of themselves in each future relationship. I think this is a natural protection instinct, to reduce pain, loss,etc.
/r/PurplePillDebate14/01/22 02:21 PM
1

you never know for sure. the key is, does she adore you. Is she committed to you, she makes you an absolute priority in her life. She takes care of you and initiates most of the time. Pretty much do what I want. Does she pay for her stuff, without hesitation. She doesn't expect me to pay additional. she doesn't expect a ring and doesn't nag you about it or bring it up. If you are getting that, what else would she have done to make a previous relationship (better)?
/r/PurplePillDebate14/01/22 02:20 PM
1

exactly, are you getting her best. Is she treating you that way and does she add value to your life. These girls can be great and if they change (you are not getting her best), you move on.
/r/PurplePillDebate14/01/22 02:14 PM
2

yes, have to be careful about common law marriage. In the US, this is going away thankfully so guys can't get trapped.
/r/PurplePillDebate14/01/22 02:12 PM
2

for a LTR sure, if she meets my standards, which will be very high for her. a ring, no, will not happen. sharing purchases, house, lease,etc. no, keep things separate and easy to go your own way.
/r/PurplePillDebate14/01/22 02:10 PM
2

Yes, as your experience grows, you should (know) what you want. Therefore your expectations increase and you eliminate more women and do it faster, not wasting your time. Many dates should be 1 and done. They don't meet standards.
/r/PurplePillDebate14/01/22 02:08 PM
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I don't (hate) my inherent mistrust in women, it is what it is. as topgun said, as long as your willing to accept that there's exceptions. It's ok to by wary, to make them earn it. I make my girl earn it everyday.
/r/PurplePillDebate14/01/22 02:03 PM
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and he's fun, and he is good looking and he does stuff (active socially). STEM graduate with good job is nice, but it's not going to make a girl in her 20's tingle.
/r/PurplePillDebate14/01/22 01:45 PM
1

I usually go to the gym if i'm upset, it helps
/r/PurplePillDebate14/01/22 01:36 PM
1

Hmm. I don’t have respect for those people. I’m too ambitious/ driven.
/r/PurplePillDebate13/01/22 08:20 PM
1

Slackermaxxing?
/r/PurplePillDebate13/01/22 07:37 PM
1

The law is what you can get away with. And women have a big advantage in divorce typically. Marriage is for women’s benefit. Not men.
/r/PurplePillDebate13/01/22 07:34 PM
0

I didn't say be hot and funny. If you can't be the hot guy, be funny/great personality. guys who have women going after them, are hot. They are good looking, they are fit, muscular. Because of that, they are confident, they know they are good looking, they know they have lots of options. It show's in their attitude. Many girls like this. Not many guys are like that, you are talking 10% or less. If you can't be (hot) do the best you can. Like I said, they may not be hitting on you. The goal is , …
/r/PurplePillDebate13/01/22 06:59 PM
1

uhmm, well in my case, and actual experience. I disagree
/r/PurplePillDebate13/01/22 06:29 PM
3

I think young guys (I'm far from it), should focus on their life, what they want out of it, what they enjoy and start planning to achieve it. Then there's women. Yup, we want women too. Don't make her the focus of your life, your goals,etc. I agree, don't wait till your 30, but don't make them a focus either. You ever hear women say, " a guy with his shit together"? what does that mean? It means a guy who's focused, has a game plan, living life the way he wants (which includes earning a good liv…
/r/PurplePillDebate13/01/22 06:28 PM
5

what about self improvement is a hoax?
/r/PurplePillDebate13/01/22 06:07 PM
0

totally true
/r/PurplePillDebate13/01/22 06:06 PM
3

yup, I'm way over that, so tough for me to see this perspective. but still, I see young people walking around/dating, who are near the same smv, and guys who are totally avg, with girls who are avg. still think it's a bit exaggerated.
/r/PurplePillDebate13/01/22 05:10 PM
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agree that very attractive people catch your eye normally, they stand out. I also think very good personalities, happy people, great smile and attitude also stand out.
/r/PurplePillDebate13/01/22 04:54 PM
2

women have a very health libido, for the right type of guys
/r/PurplePillDebate13/01/22 04:52 PM
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Ok, so I'm having a hard time with this. (dress well, groom well, avg height, good careers, cars/house, educated, in good shape) and struggle with women. c'mon, be honest. Struggle with women who's smv is above them is probably it? I think it's normal for men to have a woman who's their smv or -1, up to -2 below them. The woman should make up for it with RMV. I find it hard to believe if a guy has all of that (truly has all of that), but maybe is not muscular or not the best looking guy, that he…
/r/PurplePillDebate13/01/22 04:47 PM
3

For a small reason/no reason? Not me, guess I"m stoic
/r/PurplePillDebate13/01/22 04:39 PM
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(crying because she forgot his birthday, seems manipulative as shit). But I wonder how many women out there wouldn't cry about him forgetting her birthday? Interesting . . . .
/r/PurplePillDebate13/01/22 03:52 PM
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The avg guy in the US, is fat, dresses like a slob, has no confidence and spends most of his free time on watching/following sports or playing video games The avg woman in the US is fat, bitchy, entitled and spends more money than she has. So, they both are not attractive. How's that?
/r/PurplePillDebate13/01/22 03:41 PM
1

thx
/r/RedPillWomen13/01/22 03:37 PM
1

what is (unconventionally attractive)
/r/RedPillWomen13/01/22 02:38 PM
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(it's ok to cry for any reason or none that you can articulate). sorry, I'm gonna say that for 90% of the women out their, if their guy did this, they'd be looking for an exit. but it's ok to disagree
/r/PurplePillDebate13/01/22 02:23 PM
4

exactly. If you wear green colored glasses, they'll all look green. Men are learning to take the glasses off and look clearly at what you have in front of you.
/r/PurplePillDebate13/01/22 02:14 PM
3

or maybe you find that all along you wanted Red?
/r/PurplePillDebate13/01/22 02:12 PM
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ok, so what situations is crying ok for your guy? bad day at work? you forgot his birthday? ​ I'm thinking it's going to be pretty limited acceptable scope for most women. But that's ok, most men are like that anyway.
/r/PurplePillDebate13/01/22 02:02 PM
1

we can agree to disagree I hope you are seeking prof help in this area.
/r/PurplePillDebate13/01/22 02:00 PM
1

a good answer and one the OP basically ignored. It's not really dating. Would you have a LTR with a guy who earns less than you. Would you pick up the difference , like pay for vacations, rent,etc That's where most women would just give you a shocked look, like what? You want me to pay for our vacation?
/r/PurplePillDebate12/01/22 08:44 PM
0

good, your previous post looked like you were just bashing guys.
/r/PurplePillDebate12/01/22 08:02 PM
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(seem angry, bitter, resentful of others who are successful in dating). I see a lot of that on both sides here. I see women, who are angry and bitter. I see men who are frustrated, angry and resentful that they aren't getting results they want. I wouldn't say they don't want love. I'd say what they are doing will not bring love in their lives. I would say, you can't love anyone until you love yourself first.
/r/PurplePillDebate12/01/22 07:51 PM
1

maybe it's just that women think they can do better. Which is hypergamy in motion again. Do some guys deserve it? yes Do some guys cheat? yes Do some women deserve it? Yes Do some women cheat? yes Now we are having a conversation
/r/PurplePillDebate12/01/22 07:40 PM
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wait, are you saying women do NOT have a huge advantage? They have a big advantage, there's no doubt on that. I don't want to go into all the reasons why. Please explain (why) women don't have an advantage in dating/sexual market place, be specific
/r/PurplePillDebate12/01/22 07:36 PM
0

that''s what vetting is for Yes, there's not many (good) ones out their, on both sides. They tend to go off the market quickly for the same reason.
/r/PurplePillDebate12/01/22 04:25 PM
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Not sure about that. Most women I've been with have a fetish. They usually just tell me to do what you want with me, use me.
/r/PurplePillDebate12/01/22 04:23 PM
1

let me edit it for you (many men and women, don't actually do 50/50) that's what vetting is for.
/r/PurplePillDebate12/01/22 04:19 PM
2

how do you reciprocate with him in this way? what do you do for him?
/r/PurplePillDebate12/01/22 03:48 PM
1

you can only be mean to men, don't you know that
/r/PurplePillDebate12/01/22 03:35 PM
4

TRP = I can't make him do what I want = he's an asshole
/r/PurplePillDebate12/01/22 03:26 PM
4

generally RP encourages lengthy vetting and making her earn commitment.
/r/PurplePillDebate12/01/22 03:25 PM
4

I think they believe any guy who's not a soyboy and (adores) me is red pill
/r/PurplePillDebate12/01/22 03:24 PM
1

i usually say I don't want a crazy self absorbed harpy. it works for me But seriously, it has to be spelled out? Like a woman with , lets flip the script on you. A woman with her shit together. How many times have I seen or heard that from women? Has a job that she can support herself with. Is not mentally ill Is not addicted to social media and her phone Is a good person (tough one eh)? Is not a feminist 3.0 (why)? because by default they hate men so, you know Believes a relationship is 50/50 a…
/r/PurplePillDebate12/01/22 03:18 PM
1

(hope) is not a plan. Yes, a lot of work/effort.
/r/PurplePillDebate12/01/22 02:47 PM
1

yup, you know what is out there then. You have to adjust since it's not good for you. Create a plan, what do you want. LTR, ONS, FWB, whatever and then figure out how to get it. But, you want higher quality girls, so you are moving more toward the LTR's typically, IMO. I created a list I wanted for LTR's. Most girls didn't make it past the first date. Some of that was just physical/chemistry, but a lot was just not meeting standards. Went through like 40-50 girls before my current LTR. Takes tim…
/r/PurplePillDebate12/01/22 02:42 PM
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I'd recommend, not shagging everything that you can get. You will find a lot of low quality women this way. Vet them and yes the vast majority will not meet your standards. Which from your post, look to be low. So, create your standards and live by it. Vetting takes time, invest in it and you will end up spending time with higher quality women. But yes, like I said, a lot of them won't make the cut.
/r/PurplePillDebate12/01/22 02:18 PM
1

Tom is the goat. But I’d go for gisele ;)
/r/PurplePillDebate12/01/22 11:55 AM
1

souvlaki
/r/PurplePillDebate11/01/22 07:48 PM
8

greatest of all time, you bet
/r/PurplePillDebate11/01/22 06:55 PM
1

my guess is the girls are using him for attention. Unless he's better looking than you think or he has an awesome personality. And I really doubt the girls are higher than him.
/r/PurplePillDebate11/01/22 06:50 PM
6

Oh, I don't like High maintenance, thanks ;)
/r/PurplePillDebate11/01/22 06:14 PM
12

got some lettuce, its a guarantee cheap date
/r/PurplePillDebate11/01/22 06:02 PM
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let me sum this up for you. This guy has very low standards. Therefore he's successful if that's what he likes. I could get a date with a goat. Am I happy with that? I think it breaks some laws to, so maybe not a good choice, animal activists and such.
/r/PurplePillDebate11/01/22 05:58 PM
1

(not how life works). It can and should. But finding 2 emotionally intelligent people, who are attracted to each other and care for each other. That's rare, but it shouldn't be. It's becoming more rare, I think both men/women are getting numb to the sexual marketplace, jaded by it, turned off by it. They then become interested in their needs only and not invested in their partner.
/r/PurplePillDebate11/01/22 05:36 PM
1

I agree that for a LTR, Looks is not the only thing. It doesn't have to be the most important thing. But, she must find him very attractive (hot). Or likely there will be issues. Again, many guys , if they sense you aren't giving them your all, if you don't find them hot. They will move on, and they should IMO. Attraction is not negotiable.
/r/PurplePillDebate11/01/22 05:08 PM
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(if that's true, it would mean most women in relationships just settle and secretly want to be with someone else). You realize you just summed up (AF/BB)?
/r/PurplePillDebate11/01/22 03:51 PM
1

you are definitely not the norm.
/r/PurplePillDebate11/01/22 03:32 PM
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not really, (attractive enough), is a far cry from (hot). Like a guy you see walk in the room, a quick glance, he's cute. Versus the guy who walks in, you glance and stare and tingle. big difference
/r/PurplePillDebate11/01/22 03:07 PM
1

but that's it exactly, what you are saying is she's hot for him, she's giving him hot crazy sex. She adores him. That's what I'm talking about as a requirement for me. If I don't think I'm getting the same or better treatment as past guys, I"m gone. Why would I stay.
/r/PurplePillDebate11/01/22 03:02 PM
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I don't have to be the (hottest) guy she can get. or has had. But she has to be hot for me. One of the reasons is because today women have too much sexual access and inflate their expectations. so, yes, she has to be hot for me. Again, why would I not want that? some women put more emphasis on RMV for sure. But you can't eliminate SMV. The higher a guy's libido is, the more important it is also. If she understands the dynamic and actually enjoys satisfying her guy, this goes a long way in helpin…
/r/PurplePillDebate11/01/22 02:42 PM
1

(wish there is some pill you can swallow and engage with a guy). That would be the (red pill women) subreddit. But, they also recognize there has to be attraction ( he has to be enough)
/r/PurplePillDebate11/01/22 02:37 PM
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a lot of what you say is well grounded. But, as a sexual guy, I don't want to be in a relationship with a girl who isn't at my libido level or near it. Part of that I believe is sexual attraction, to keep those tingles long term. (tolerate) some sex or touching, just makes me shiver about that type of relationship. A woman needs to find him attractive and even if her libido is not at his level, she must want to keep him satisfied and enjoy it. Otherwise there's going to be issues. Same with the …
/r/PurplePillDebate11/01/22 02:34 PM
1

growing up many years ago, it was just disney, women are sugar and spice stuff. I saw a lot of stuff, I was a top guy. I had girls throwing themselves at me and it kind of disgusted me TBH. Met a girl I actually liked, but didn't vet enough and got married to a woman who showed red flags. Live and learn.
/r/PurplePillDebate11/01/22 02:22 PM
1

for a ltr, yes, in my view. The more casual sex she's had, more so. Does it mean that (every) woman will have issues otherwise? No, but many will IMO. so, even without this, why would I want a LTR with someone who finds me (good enough).
/r/PurplePillDebate11/01/22 02:11 PM
2

yup, when I was young (centuries) ago, I didn't vet good enough. The red pill would have helped me greatly removing the fairy land stuff.
/r/PurplePillDebate11/01/22 01:53 PM
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It's not about (good looking), it's he's just good looking (enough). I've had way better. that's going to impact the relationship, I believe that to my core. So, girls going and having a lot of fun, ONS/casual sex with hot guys. It's gonna leave an impact. why I've told guys, if she doesn't find you (hot), think you are (hot), and treat you that way. move on. Now some girls aren't like that period with anyone, my take is, move on faster ;) that's just IMO
/r/PurplePillDebate11/01/22 01:48 PM
1

True, good stuff. But, are women happier with this outcome? NOt sure. I think many have the overinflated ego (unrealistic) expectations. And today they are used to shagging with the top guys also. Many get accustomed to and expect that they should have a top guy. I'd rather them hold out than settle (or in her view, settle) for a guy. That doesn't make anyone happy, for sure. So, I think it's mainly due to social media, and is social media making relationships better or worse? I think worse and …
/r/PurplePillDebate11/01/22 01:45 PM
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oh, women complain a lot about being alone. AVg and below avg Women also have a huge advantage over men in same group. They can go and have casual sex with attractive guys very easily. These men can not. that's the crux of the complaining from men, access to sex. The crux of women is access to relationships, with men who make her tingle.
/r/PurplePillDebate11/01/22 01:41 PM
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men should vet also, true
/r/PurplePillDebate11/01/22 01:31 PM
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How then do you explain the 80/20 principal A result I have a lot of personal experience with. Women are very attracted to looks. Some more than others. In my view you are explaining he’s (good enough) in a round about way. I’ve had way better but he’s good enough
/r/PurplePillDebate11/01/22 01:05 PM
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For many women today. Their view of what they deserve in terms of attraction is skewed. They are used to hot guys for casual sex. Guys she can’t get for ltr. So now she adjusts down to a (good enough) looking guy for a ltr. But he doesn’t make her tingle like those other guys.
/r/PurplePillDebate11/01/22 01:01 PM
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Like it isn’t already?
/r/PurplePillDebate11/01/22 12:57 PM
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I think this is possible with young under 30 crowd. They aren’t that interested in ltr anyway. But as they get older and want a ltr. Things change. The girls will look more for rmv the smv is adjusted to her true range This is af/bb. Basically but the income is not a big an item as in past with women making their own. But the guy has to be in same income range as her. She doesn’t want to settle of course. Then the issue is. Does the guy want her
/r/PurplePillDebate11/01/22 12:57 PM
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The good ones aren’t on the market long. True
/r/PurplePillDebate11/01/22 12:52 PM
1

They want to know what you think. That you trust them. How you feel about them and the relationship. They don’t want to know you afraid you may be laid off. Or tell her about it with a confident plan b already thought out If it happens. This is the (a guy with his shit together) aspect you hear from women a lot.
/r/PurplePillDebate11/01/22 12:44 PM
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Many women have this need in men. To be stable. Some much more than others. But a guy being emotional and insecure really puts them off. It’s like they know they need someone to ground them
/r/PurplePillDebate11/01/22 12:38 PM
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She needs to look at tinders quarterly results.
/r/PurplePillDebate11/01/22 12:08 PM
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Trust takes time. Vet them and watch them. Actions are more important than words
/r/PurplePillDebate11/01/22 02:51 AM
1

A hoe is a hoe. She doesn’t change herself. She changes strategy
/r/PurplePillDebate11/01/22 02:28 AM
1

Ever hear of tinder? In my day we didn’t have the internet. Girls would hit on me for ons. I would try to get their number. They’d say you won’t call. I just wanted to be with a guy like you Never been with someone like you. And they’d leave. That’s what a LOT of girls and women use tinder for
/r/PurplePillDebate10/01/22 11:12 PM
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honestly, I don't consider most of them men, they are neutered. they are like the male version of (pick me) girls but again, people still have the choice to be feminist or not , along with (their) version of feminist. Me, I'm 2.0 all the way. And I like an equal partner, believe it or not
/r/PurplePillDebate10/01/22 06:43 PM
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oh boy, I"m from the US, if you want feminist men, pick any big city in the East coast/west coast, they are loaded with them
/r/PurplePillDebate10/01/22 06:31 PM
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That’s ok. Because they wouldn’t want to be with those men. They need to find feminist guys. That’s all. What you are pushing is everyone has to be your way.
/r/PurplePillDebate10/01/22 06:23 PM
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Pressure and fear can be real when it’s actually (real). Like being forced to take medicine or lose your job or not be able to attend school. That’s real. Peer pressure is real but adults have to overcome that.
/r/PurplePillDebate10/01/22 06:01 PM
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oh please, weak , weak men are bigger and stronger, dump the guy if he's pressuring you. Rape, well It's possible, try not to put yourself in that situation (ONS/casual sex). Can it still happen outside of that, sure, rarely. Let's focus on the normal life. Pressure and fear. Weak I"m more worried about our communist govt taking away (choice). All the young kids seem to be all aboard for it. So, be prepared for a lot less (choice) in the future. Those are (real) choices you will be losing
/r/PurplePillDebate10/01/22 05:03 PM
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Explain how (men) giving women voting rights, benefited men. Please explain. Hint, men didn't get anything out of it, other than doing the right thing, that men/women should have equal rights. And, that should have been the end, = feminist 2.0 But, causes never have ends, because then , well . . . there'd have to be another cause to find. Feminist 3.0, women aren't paid the same as men. Except, they are, there's no wage gap. In fact, in the 20-30 age group, women are paid more than men. Did you …
/r/PurplePillDebate10/01/22 04:59 PM
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They aren't (making) you do anything, they aren't (forcing) anything. If a guy wants you to submit, etc and you don't want to, then you don't. the big picture is, some people want to make it an issue and some people get advantage from it. This isn't a big picture, it's individual.
/r/PurplePillDebate10/01/22 04:47 PM
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so, if as you admit, some women enjoy the submissive. Why are you saying it's (oppressive)? it's not oppressive to (them), and you aren't really being (oppressed) either.
/r/PurplePillDebate10/01/22 04:17 PM
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when he was a 7, he was more attractive and could have sex easier. an smv 5-6 guy, doesn't have many choices.
/r/PurplePillDebate10/01/22 03:32 PM
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to me , this isn't even a thing. some women like to be dominant, some like equal, some like being submissive Not just sexual, but in the relationship. people just do what fits them
/r/PurplePillDebate10/01/22 03:08 PM
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by 35? assuming he didn't get locked up in long LTR's? The avg male (smv 5-6) N is probably 2 Male (smv 7-8) N maybe 5-10 Male 8-9, N maybe 30 You have to understand that N counts (could) be logarithmic as a guys SMV goes up to 8 and beyond. I was like a 9 in college, I didn't even try to get girls, they always would hit on me. I stopped the casual sex because it wasn't worth it, not fun
/r/PurplePillDebate10/01/22 03:06 PM
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(guys in early 20's, probably N=10, and depends on their standards).
/r/PurplePillDebate10/01/22 02:49 PM
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what patriarchal structures remain, that are holding women's liberation back?
/r/PurplePillDebate10/01/22 02:48 PM
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I know lots of college age women. The data you are looking at is (old). current day casual sex is much more common. The N for men, as always, depends upon if he's chad or not. Top 10%, guys in early 20's probably N = 10, and depends on their standards of course. Hell, I had that many years ago as a guy in college, before the Internet. Today, I'd probably be 100 if I started over
/r/PurplePillDebate10/01/22 02:45 PM
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a radical feminist basically hates men, we are the bane of all your problems
/r/PurplePillDebate10/01/22 02:43 PM
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16 to 18, in the USA, by they time they get through college, most are in double digits.
/r/PurplePillDebate10/01/22 02:33 PM
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I can't even fathom you dating a man, like why would you?
/r/PurplePillDebate10/01/22 02:32 PM
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yes, but you are a very very unusual case. The vast majority of guys dating any girl in 20's, is likely not dating a virgin.
/r/PurplePillDebate10/01/22 02:27 PM
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what type of feminist are you?
/r/PurplePillDebate10/01/22 02:26 PM
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don't know why a guy would date a modern feminist
/r/PurplePillDebate10/01/22 02:25 PM
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they do shoot out of their league. Inherently they want men (above) them, that's part of the issue. Some just go (way) above them. Some get blinded or fooled into thinking they can get these hot guys for (LTR) when it's really just casual sex. Then they get used to the hot guys and don't want to lower their (standards). Which is false, they can get hot guys for casual sex, they never could for LTR's.
/r/PurplePillDebate10/01/22 02:18 PM
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it's very common, sadly. So, men have a real reason to be jaded. TBH, both sides have right to be cautious, that's what vetting is for
/r/PurplePillDebate10/01/22 02:09 PM
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it's totally true. I have seen (many) women on OLD , like match,etc. looking for their (forever guy), then I see her on Tinder, with a sexy picture, no profile. You know what the Tinder is for then.
/r/PurplePillDebate10/01/22 02:00 PM
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it's not about (risk). It's whether she see's you at a (chad) level, did (chad) have to wait? that's what the view should be. Me, I don't rush into sex, casual sex is not worth it to me. I vet her, however long it takes for me to see if she's worth it. I think most people (who aren't looking for casual sex), should be doing it this way. Dating along that way, you (split) costs for dates. If she's not up for that. Well, that's part of the vetting process.
/r/PurplePillDebate10/01/22 01:59 PM
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true, most men won't wait. Because they know in vast majority of cases, chad didn't have to.
/r/PurplePillDebate10/01/22 01:56 PM
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and they are getting damaged along the way
/r/PurplePillDebate10/01/22 01:54 PM
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that's why marriage is done in large part. Why would guys marry her? LTR maybe if she's worth it, marriage? nope
/r/PurplePillDebate10/01/22 01:27 PM
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you have to really define what (successful) is. It's going to vary person to person to. For me. I'm happy with my situation. I have a partner who is happy to be with me and shows it and I reciprocate the feeling. pretty basic, but that's me
/r/PurplePillDebate07/01/22 03:13 PM
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it's good exercise ;)
/r/PurplePillDebate07/01/22 03:10 PM
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Ah lap dancer. Got it. ;)
/r/PurplePillDebate07/01/22 11:08 AM
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"Best seating" explain please
/r/PurplePillDebate06/01/22 08:18 PM
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(The outliers, ones who need height and good face are what we call cat ladies). Funny, and true. They usually have a lot of other (requirements) also. Which is ok, everyone can have their preferences. Shouldn't be in a relationship unless you are attracted. Some just are a bit unrealistic.
/r/PurplePillDebate06/01/22 08:14 PM
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yes, you can't control your height and facial features to any degree. But, muscles can improve your smv, a lot. Most guys know this. Muscles also take work, the other 2 you are born with so it's a bit of an envy thing there also. Can't blame them.
/r/PurplePillDebate06/01/22 08:09 PM
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yup, most guys who actually work out, won't mix gym and dating we look, but don't mess where you eat is the norm. And we see many of the women looking at us (or some of us), also.
/r/PurplePillDebate06/01/22 08:01 PM
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yup, I"ve been on the opposite side, with women.
/r/PurplePillDebate06/01/22 07:29 PM
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got to move out of the expensive cities. but yes, it's expensive.
/r/PurplePillDebate06/01/22 05:02 PM
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absolutely. If she's not crazy for me and shows it, move on
/r/PurplePillDebate06/01/22 04:56 PM
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yup, also girls will be more forward with (hot) guys and go up and hit on them, which they probably wouldn't without a bit of drinking.
/r/PurplePillDebate06/01/22 04:51 PM
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thankfully I have not been a (drunk enough for him), the opposite actually which is troubling to me also.
/r/PurplePillDebate06/01/22 04:32 PM
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I think you've hit upon a woman who's worth it and one who's not. A good woman will encourage her man to be better and make him feel so. A woman who thinks she settled, is not really that invested, she already made that decision.
/r/PurplePillDebate06/01/22 04:28 PM
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also provides an excuse later if needed as to (why did I do that)
/r/PurplePillDebate06/01/22 04:03 PM
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That's a beta bux relationship. She knows he's not an Alpha, but those guys are for fun. Plus, it's hard to get those guys into a relationship. She's being practical
/r/PurplePillDebate06/01/22 03:59 PM
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yes, men like it when women actually initiate it sometimes. But that's something that is not negotiated. Love it when I'm watching a game on couch, my girl will come over , drop to her knees and go to town.
/r/PurplePillDebate06/01/22 02:27 PM
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it's fun, role play, bdsm, everyone should try a bit. If you still don't like it, fine. Everyone has different likes
/r/PurplePillDebate06/01/22 02:24 PM
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this is the way
/r/PurplePillDebate06/01/22 02:19 PM
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when you hear your girl say (Do anything you want with me, use me) That's when you know you aren't a provider
/r/PurplePillDebate06/01/22 02:11 PM
2

So what’s a good shape and what’s bad. Curious.
/r/PurplePillDebate06/01/22 11:54 AM
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True. But sometimes feelings prevail over logical thoughts
/r/PurplePillDebate05/01/22 09:56 PM
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Sure men cheat. Didn’t say otherwise. Women cheat or leave for ( better) options. Men usually cheat because she isn’t meeting his needs
/r/PurplePillDebate05/01/22 09:55 PM
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I"ve never heard this, new one for me. Have heard, girth, length,etc which makes sense. But shape is a new one. Learn something new every day
/r/PurplePillDebate05/01/22 09:15 PM
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As long as you mutually fulfill each other’s needs, and she doesn't see (better) options, the relationship lasts. (slight edit)
/r/PurplePillDebate05/01/22 09:05 PM
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the way his dick is shaped? seriously? like what, it's width or length you mean?
/r/PurplePillDebate05/01/22 08:59 PM
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you can train almost anything, except her sex drive
/r/PurplePillDebate05/01/22 04:18 PM
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just train the next girl you are with for that. they can learn
/r/PurplePillDebate05/01/22 03:58 PM
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If you aren't her best sex, that's her problem IMO Now, I encourage people to try their best, learn and explore and try to enjoy each other. But at the end of the day, if she gets off on exciting, new guy sex, that's her problem to deal with. I'd assume if she's with me, long term, there's something there. If she wants (better) sex, then she should communicate how I can help like role play,bdsm,whatever. I do the same with her, works both ways.
/r/PurplePillDebate05/01/22 02:21 PM
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Indirectly sure. It’s good knowing you have options. Knowing you are attractive. Lifting also gives you a high, for most. It also reduces stress and so on. So sure. You can say kinda are doing it for girls. I view it as one of the reasons I workout is to have options. Options are good
/r/PurplePillDebate05/01/22 01:13 PM
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not sure of your point? women have sex with women is less risk? ok
/r/PurplePillDebate04/01/22 07:26 PM
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women don't need anything to be promiscuous other than wanting to be. For men to be promiscuous, he has to have something. Looks, personality,etc. Women also typically are promiscuous with men above them in smv, because men want sex more and are willing to have sex downward. So, she's been having fun with guys who's SMV's are above the guy she's having LTR's with very likely. I think a combo of those factors is why it's looked at negatively when women sleep around. Why it's viewed as a women slu…
/r/PurplePillDebate04/01/22 06:52 PM
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(not doing it for girls, but kind of are) Indirectly key is not for a specific girl and doing it so you have (options). Girls are just one of the reasons to lift weights, healthy, energy, and so on. I actually enjoy it, it becomes a habit and feel better after lifting.
/r/PurplePillDebate04/01/22 03:42 PM
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did it for sports originally. Found it has advantages outside of sports and also that I enjoyed it. Good way to work off excess energy while young. Over the years, same thing, plus flips to taking out frustration, as you get older. Also, good for health, feel better and all the other stuff that goes along with it. Also, 13 inch bicep, try 16
/r/PurplePillDebate04/01/22 03:40 PM
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4) she is chasing the wrong guys (who don't want to be in a LTR) 5) she's not a good choice. High debt, can't support herself, spends more than she has,etc. Bad risk for LTR
/r/PurplePillDebate04/01/22 03:35 PM
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we all have choices, but not a choice on (everything there is) in life.
/r/PurplePillDebate04/01/22 03:25 PM
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wow. very unusual. But good if it works for you. I'd love a girl like you at parts in my life. but I was too ambitious anyway.
/r/PurplePillDebate04/01/22 03:19 PM
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dude, take a breath. My undergrad was physics, so I get it. Men have choices, it may not be what they really want. (I don't think it's is up to each individual to figure out what they want to do with truth). Sure it is, now they may make totally unrealistic decisions based upon it. Like, hey I"m a SMV 3, I want a girl who's an SMV 8 or 9. Not gonna happen unless you are rich, and she loves your money, not you. But , hey if that's what you want, go for it. The point is, guys should look at what t…
/r/PurplePillDebate04/01/22 03:16 PM
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I said, that's what they want. didn't say they deserve it
/r/PurplePillDebate04/01/22 03:07 PM
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what do you mean by free will? you are free to explore what you want in life. It doesn't mean you will get it (like if a woman is your goal).
/r/PurplePillDebate04/01/22 02:31 PM
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it's about being desired, being wanted and in terms of (courting) you are talking about a relationship, not just casual/ONS sex. Big difference there.
/r/PurplePillDebate04/01/22 02:00 PM
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he has never worked? Ok, explain please
/r/PurplePillDebate04/01/22 01:55 PM
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hmm, ultimate peak, 50 or 60? no. not in terms of max weight/performance I'm there now, I look great, but I don't have the strength I did when I was younger. It just is not possible unless you are taking roids. Plus, I know guys who keep trying to stay at the high weights into the 40's and 50's and every one of them ends up with injury, pretty big one like surgery. When you hit 40, you need to adjust to lower weight, more rep,etc. For me it was focus on looks (body building) and good bye power l…
/r/PurplePillDebate04/01/22 01:49 PM
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The RP focus on improvement is for yourself, to give you better options. Yes women will be more attracted to you, (not 1 woman = oneitis) which is to be avoided, but most women. When you have options, oneitis and it's behavior will be eliminated or avoided. The RP focuses mostly on (SMV) related items, not (RMV). It's about attracting, not so much keeping.
/r/PurplePillDebate04/01/22 01:45 PM
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The truth is truth. It is what it is. Up to you to figure out what to do with it.
/r/PurplePillDebate04/01/22 12:48 PM
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I use the blue pill view to confirm that the red pill is truth. When a situation comes up etc. I look at it from both sides. The truth is almost always red. But yes it’s not a pure science. It’s not 100% all the time
/r/PurplePillDebate04/01/22 12:06 PM
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For the same reason women do when you declined or ignore their advances.
/r/PurplePillDebate03/01/22 07:52 PM
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yup, like most medical studies, one study say's A, the other say's B. I agree that obesity is rising, and at earlier ages which is really bad.
/r/PurplePillDebate03/01/22 07:50 PM
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Women do have more fat then men, but that's normal. In terms of it getting worse. Like most healthcare articles and studies, you can find data pointing to men or women getting fatter. this article makes sense and points to possibly low T in men as a cause. Low T is rampant. Lifting weights would help there also, lifting heavy weights increasing T naturally. I think that and we get too much soy and saturated fat in the avg american diet all adds up. https://cathe.com/are-there-more-overweight-wom…
/r/PurplePillDebate03/01/22 07:41 PM
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hmm, well they probably don't shower at the gym , yuck at most gyms. but, going out in public, without a shower or change? Haven't seen that, unless it's hitting the food store on way home, which I see many women doing also after hitting gym
/r/PurplePillDebate03/01/22 07:33 PM
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hmm, not sure of that. will have to look at stats. The BMI numbers are probably easiest to correlate with, but BMI is so inaccurate. as a guy, women look better to me, (young) women don't need to be muscular, just not fat. Guys, they pretty much have to lift, at least some to look good.
/r/PurplePillDebate03/01/22 07:30 PM
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hey, I like axe body spray, the charcoal. Good stuff then I use my Old spice deodorant. Can't keep the girls off me.
/r/PurplePillDebate03/01/22 07:23 PM
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agree with much. For men, it's more effort to look good. Both m/f have to diet , not be overweight. But, for men, they have to have muscle. Muscle takes time and effort Now, many women like lean with some muscle also, that's easier if you trend toward a lean body (lean, not skinny). The styling, agree, most men don't. I don't think guys believe that being stylish and groomed can add 1-2 SMV points on you. They don't believe it because for them it doesn't mean anything, but they have to look at i…
/r/PurplePillDebate03/01/22 07:18 PM
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Brilliant
/r/PurplePillDebate03/01/22 07:13 PM
2

(skip marriage) if she adds value to your life, keep her around. when she stops providing value, find an upgrade.
/r/PurplePillDebate03/01/22 02:57 PM
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I agree with losing patience for women. The first part, let's say it varies greatly by the guy
/r/PurplePillDebate03/01/22 02:53 PM
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I think many on both sides do try to improve, with varying amounts of efforts and success. agree that in large, many don't have a right to complain, they could improve much more with effort. I think both sides, it's easy to cop out and blame this or that , the other sex, blah blah. It's easy to blame and claim victim. If you (guy or girl) want to get more options. Invest into diet, working out, relationship skills. (don't like using diet, don't believe in them. lifestyle/change of habits regardi…
/r/PurplePillDebate03/01/22 02:44 PM
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ok, explain what you would be attracted to and why I think you are being dishonest with yourself.
/r/PurplePillDebate03/01/22 02:31 PM
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yup, Not too hot on these hypothetical situations.
/r/PurplePillDebate03/01/22 02:30 PM
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why would you not be attracted to a man with option? I'm a guy, I"m attracted to women who have options. Looks, personality,etc. Why wouldn't I? this is just logic 101, let's all be honest about it on both sides.
/r/PurplePillDebate03/01/22 01:50 PM
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hot but nobody wants? Why would I want that?
/r/PurplePillDebate03/01/22 01:48 PM
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she's tired of the men she can't (keep/get), who sleep around
/r/PurplePillDebate03/01/22 01:47 PM
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If you are using logic. Then you know for women, they don't even need to try to have casual sex. A woman who is a straight up 5 SMV, can go on tinder and get good looking 7-8 guys to come over and take care of her. A guy who's a 5, will get nothing Men desire sex more than women and will have sex with women well below them in smv. Women in general, only want sex with men, equal to or higher in SMV than they are. If it's for casual sex, then it's as high in SMV as they can get typically. Strategi…
/r/PurplePillDebate03/01/22 01:44 PM
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true, just like men want their girl to be a hoe for them, but not for all the other prior guys
/r/PurplePillDebate03/01/22 01:35 PM
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true, some of the best looking women I've been with were almost empty shells or self absorbed. I can get 9-10's, I avoid them, unless I know her personality already. 7-8 are more fun for me. Even for short term, it's not all about looks.
/r/PurplePillDebate03/01/22 01:30 PM
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Ah kids in the equation. Makes more sense. Very practical
/r/PurplePillDebate02/01/22 01:47 PM
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This makes sense. Was married many years. Then divorced and started dating. Met many women that didn’t interest me. Then met my girl who had been dating long She thought I was a player kept looking and looking for signs I was. Told me that I’m very very unusual. A hvm looking for ltr. She’s doing everything she can to keep me. So I’m good with it
/r/PurplePillDebate02/01/22 01:45 PM
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Why can’t you do both? You think women aren’t doing this?
/r/PurplePillDebate02/01/22 02:29 AM
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The young guy is for fun. That’s all
/r/PurplePillDebate02/01/22 01:18 AM
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That’s what they use tinder for
/r/PurplePillDebate02/01/22 01:17 AM
1

And you would stay with him indefinitely even if he would not commit to you ?
/r/PurplePillDebate02/01/22 01:07 AM
2

Interesting.
/r/PurplePillDebate01/01/22 06:22 PM
1

Is it that you just to be with best guy you can. And his term is ok. ? I’ve had some girls who seemed like that. But in the end they wanted more
/r/PurplePillDebate01/01/22 04:56 PM
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With marriage or just ltr? I think if you aren’t too far apart and he actually wants a ltr. That it’s possible. Those are key though. Is his goal a ltr. And is he too much above your smv.
/r/PurplePillDebate01/01/22 04:50 PM
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A shot at what. A relationship? If she’s chasing guys out of her league. Smv 2 or more above her. It’s not smart if she wants a relationship.
/r/PurplePillDebate01/01/22 03:04 PM
1

So what’s the end goal for pick me girls?
/r/PurplePillDebate01/01/22 03:01 PM
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? Lost me
/r/PurplePillDebate01/01/22 04:30 AM
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I’ve had plenty of women omit they are dating other guys when I’ve started dating them.
/r/PurplePillDebate31/12/21 10:06 PM
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A lot of hvm guys are ok for ltr. The problem is finding a woman worthy of it
/r/PurplePillDebate31/12/21 09:52 PM
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If she gives some signs of interest. Sure
/r/PurplePillDebate31/12/21 09:24 PM
1

So why are any men married?
/r/PurplePillDebate31/12/21 09:23 PM
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Hmmm that means women are dating multiple men. Or the girls are all dating the same guys. I think a combo of both
/r/PurplePillDebate31/12/21 09:22 PM
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9 and 10s usually have such attitudes like they are doing you a favor. Would rather have fun with 7 and 8s Be with someone you enjoy and who enjoys you and shows it
/r/PurplePillDebate31/12/21 09:20 PM
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Women love their best option. An option that provides benefit to her The problem arises when he is not her best option anymore or provides more benefits than the other guy
/r/PurplePillDebate31/12/21 03:19 PM
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yes, this is a valid point. Women can have casual sex (upward), men usually not. It can cause issues. Women get used to being with a hot guy, right? You deserve it, right? The guy she's with now is not (hot), he knows it, so this is (settling) , right? Although, not really, she could never really get that hot guy for a LTR, just sex. but, does she view it that way?
/r/PurplePillDebate30/12/21 05:03 PM
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not quite the point A man can have sexual abundance, but still be wary of a girl who has very high N count , especially casual sex. She's a high risk for a LTR, that's more the point if looking at it from a long term view
/r/PurplePillDebate30/12/21 05:01 PM
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not a bad person. Just a high risk in a LTR
/r/PurplePillDebate30/12/21 04:53 PM
1

I don't really care , not my problem.
/r/PurplePillDebate30/12/21 04:43 PM
1

Agree with a lot of what you say. Reflection and self improvement for everyone. But clearly the expectations issue is from women.
/r/PurplePillDebate30/12/21 02:58 PM
1

But they aren’t forced to leave. They decided to. Yes improve yourself. Do what you want with your life. If you meet a girl who’s worth it. Make her work at it and earn it
/r/PurplePillDebate30/12/21 01:41 AM
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Pushed out or checked out is pretty much the same. They aren’t participating I think the guys building up the finances waiting for girls to finish party phase are stupid. The girls aren’t worth it. So guys are checking out and just doing what they want. Gaming and whatever
/r/PurplePillDebate30/12/21 12:29 AM
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Yup. They get used to chad. They expect a ltr with him. But he’s not going for it. She’s not settling down. But she doesn’t get the fact that it’s not settling. She never could get him for a ltr. Just sex. That’s messing a lot of women up
/r/PurplePillDebate29/12/21 11:31 PM
1

Great point.
/r/PurplePillDebate29/12/21 11:28 PM
1

And most of those end bad too
/r/PurplePillDebate29/12/21 11:26 PM
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Until men hold them to standards. Things won’t change Everyone does thing that is best for them. Can’t blame them. Men need to stop rewarding them. Do I think this will be. No. I don’t
/r/PurplePillDebate29/12/21 08:12 PM
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I believe many women aren’t looking just like many guys. The point is that it’s getting worse I think. No one is happy and really benefitting from this except that women get good options for casual sex with the top guys. I think many do want ltr. But not finding what they want. You could argue expectations are too high. But I won’t argue that the pool of men who are good ltr choices is getting smaller. I’d also argue the pool of women who meet ltr standards is getting smaller too
/r/PurplePillDebate29/12/21 07:41 PM
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You speak truth But, with this fake (social media) where women can easily get casual sex. It's great for them for that. but, what about when they want a LTR. Social media is not really helping (improvement) of their choices for a LTR. On the flip side, many young guys are checking out of the dating scene. Not staying in shape, not getting education, not getting good jobs. So, in the past when those 21 year old guys who were immature, improved themselves over the years and at 30, they were all of…
/r/PurplePillDebate29/12/21 07:22 PM
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good points with this system, women have a huge advantage for casual sex. However when it comes time for a LTR, this system does not give them advantages. A 7 girl is not going to get a 9 guy then or now typically for a LTR. The only way this system (self corrects) is up to the women. With women getting better education and jobs, they can support themselves. The (financial) support needed in the past is much less now. It will get worse before better, most guys are not going to be a (settled for …
/r/PurplePillDebate29/12/21 07:17 PM
1

yup, as a technology manager, actually hiring engineers, i doubt it much we don't pay kids out of school that kind of money
/r/PurplePillDebate29/12/21 03:32 PM
1

Rejecting a women. Yup. Watch your back. Been there. Ranging From crazy fits of rage to looks of I will find you in your sleep my precious Shiver
/r/PurplePillDebate29/12/21 01:51 PM
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I think you will hear more and more women talk about attractive (enough) Translation. Those hot guys I f,d were great. Now I need a ltr I can’t find one of those guys who will commit or has enough resources or enough relationship skills So I need to find a good guy who is attractive enough.
/r/PurplePillDebate29/12/21 01:47 PM
1

Yup. Never heard of so many kids right out of college making $100k+
/r/PurplePillDebate29/12/21 01:44 PM
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Looks Money Status. But I take the op phrasing as not necessarily a relationship. So if it’s for casual it’s mostly physical looks
/r/PurplePillDebate29/12/21 01:39 PM
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Yup If it’s just for sex. Not a relationship it’s all about attraction. Physical is most important aspect
/r/PurplePillDebate29/12/21 01:34 PM
1

In terms of bettering your dating life. What is your goal. Do you have one? Have you reflected on what you want in a guy? What you find attractive. What is important for you in a ltr. Date with purpose But you need to know what that purpose is
/r/PurplePillDebate29/12/21 12:44 PM
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That’s a power/control thing. I’ve had girls do it to me. They didn’t seem Interested so I didn’t setup a second date and they were like why I really like you. If you are interested show it
/r/PurplePillDebate29/12/21 12:34 PM
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Men may have a side to that story also. But without doubt women are more vocal about it
/r/PurplePillDebate29/12/21 12:54 AM
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No problem. You are correct about people are responsible for their own happiness
/r/PurplePillDebate29/12/21 12:37 AM
0

Sarc with the men bashing responses
/r/PurplePillDebate29/12/21 12:08 AM
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And women not being happy is men’s fault to. 😉
/r/PurplePillDebate28/12/21 11:50 PM
1

Men can put muscle on easier. True. But women don’t need as much muscle. They can be toned and attractive
/r/PurplePillDebate28/12/21 10:13 PM
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It’s all the same. I know lots of young people. Same strategy. I find it works well with the 30 somethings that hit on me. Not senior citizen yet. So watch it 😉
/r/PurplePillDebate28/12/21 07:25 PM
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You are so funny. I’m almost 60. I dated before the internet. Cold approach was the norm. Never had a woman call me scared. More like cocky Look I’m an engineer and a guy. I am logical and know math very well Cold approach can work and has for me. But it’s low reward. Today you have to be very careful also, thank the me too movement for that I don’t know if she’s married or in a ltr or whatever. Even if she gives me a look up and down. Doesn’t mean she wants me to come over. Just some eye candy …
/r/PurplePillDebate28/12/21 07:20 PM
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Getting numbers or dates for the sake of it is by default just running the numbers. So it’s low quality. Having a girl show interest with myself finding her attractive is a much better start Better probability of a good date It’s like guys on tinder who swipe right on 100 girls. In hope of getting a few dates. Not my thing
/r/PurplePillDebate28/12/21 07:02 PM
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It does take time and effort. True. I also find most of those guys making me wait for my bench or machine because they are sitting there on their phone. Time and effort. Make the most out of both.
/r/PurplePillDebate28/12/21 06:59 PM
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As a guy. If she doesn’t show real attraction and interest in my from the start. I move on. I go out with attractive girls. They have options I know but I do also. It’s not just physical. It’s chemistry and interest. Now. I probably left many women with one date and that’s it wondering what the hell. Why didn’t he ask me out again. I am not a big believer in it will grow on you.
/r/PurplePillDebate28/12/21 06:53 PM
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As I’ve told you. Getting numbers or a date with a girl is not really important. It’s easy. It’s the quality that matters. Even on old. My best dates or relationships were with women who contacted me first.
/r/PurplePillDebate28/12/21 06:25 PM
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hey, today, they can vary greatly. Like, how many sexes are there? 26 I think now at least what MSM tell us. If you are a traditional SAHM , that's great. you are right that unless you are upper middle class, you will struggle on one income. You claim to be feminine , red pill like woman, but you sure sound like a feminist 3.0 girl.
/r/PurplePillDebate28/12/21 04:52 PM
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?? if she's giving me interest, sure. But cold approach? no, why would I do that? is she married? in a LTR? gay? why waste my time
/r/PurplePillDebate28/12/21 04:49 PM
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when it comes to relationships, words come first. There is nothing official until there's agreement. After that, I believe actions speak louder than words.
/r/PurplePillDebate28/12/21 03:48 PM
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you are bullshit and you even admit it. (women are "often" primary caregiver, as courts generally don't like disturbing the status quo) Damn right they don't, they are fine letting women have it both ways and you know it. The general (status quo) is , mother gets kids, father gets every other weekend and maybe an evening each week.
/r/PurplePillDebate28/12/21 03:34 PM
1

please describe gender roles
/r/PurplePillDebate28/12/21 02:43 PM
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can't or doesn't wish to? Big difference why should he approach? why are you upset that men are doing it less?
/r/PurplePillDebate28/12/21 02:42 PM
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you are right, Women have far more benefits then men today. companies go out of their way to hire women, promote women. totally agree with you
/r/PurplePillDebate28/12/21 02:40 PM
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its human nature. They want what they can get. The problem is men going along with it.
/r/PurplePillDebate28/12/21 02:35 PM
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(often the primary custodian)? no, it's (ALWAYS) the woman unless she doesn't want it or she'd an addict. my brothers ex was an addict and the court was still going to give her custody. The only reason she didn't get it, she didn't show up to court.
/r/PurplePillDebate28/12/21 02:31 PM
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Main difference is men have more muscle which burns more calories. So in theory men can lose weight a bit easier. Best thing women can do. Get some more muscle.
/r/PurplePillDebate28/12/21 01:48 PM
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I’m a 200 pound guy. Most meals at restaurants are twice what I eat. I either split it with my girl take leftovers home or don’t eat it. We don’t diet. We eat healthy Our friends make comments about us to. Like why are you dieting etc. we just let it roll off
/r/PurplePillDebate28/12/21 01:45 PM
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Well I agree it’s much more effort and time to put muscle on. But losing weight takes some time also Most people don’t realize adding muscle helps control weight also. You burn more calories
/r/PurplePillDebate28/12/21 01:39 PM
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It depends on her curves
/r/PurplePillDebate28/12/21 01:37 PM
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And they are men at that point
/r/PurplePillDebate28/12/21 01:36 PM
2

Dexa is good. Caliper measurement can be very off
/r/PurplePillDebate28/12/21 01:35 PM
1

The most cruel and critical judge of women. Are other women
/r/PurplePillDebate28/12/21 01:34 PM
1

A women’s gym or mostly women like orange theory may be your thing. If they have those where you are
/r/PurplePillDebate28/12/21 01:30 PM
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Tbh I see lots of guys who go to gym who sure don’t look like they do. Fat and flabby. They spend more time on phone than doing sets
/r/PurplePillDebate28/12/21 01:27 PM
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The most cruel and critical judge of women are other women
/r/PurplePillDebate28/12/21 01:20 PM
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I do that also. Know the exits know who’s in room with you in your area. Those of us who have been in bad situations it’s a habit
/r/PurplePillDebate28/12/21 01:19 PM
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Why? It’s a work out. You are supposed to sweat and be out of breath. Damn I am that way doing weights since I superset.
/r/PurplePillDebate28/12/21 01:16 PM
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Oh they do. But not often They normally try signs of interest.
/r/PurplePillDebate28/12/21 12:07 PM
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If she’s not immediately interested in you. Move on is the best course has been my experience. One date is all that is needed to determine this. It has to be in person. Texting and phone doesn’t count
/r/PurplePillDebate27/12/21 10:48 PM
1

Are you better in groups? Join a group session?
/r/PurplePillDebate27/12/21 10:35 PM
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If new to weights. Join a gym that has trainers and get some sessions included to join. They Wil hopefully show you correct form and setup a routine to meet your goals.
/r/PurplePillDebate27/12/21 10:31 PM
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Who is pushing feminine ways? It’s feminist that is being pushed Trp encourages women to be feminine and for men to go after those women. Then you have women’s red pill also. But those are not large groups relative to what main stream media is pushing. I would actually like to see women move toward that. Young women today are being led to believe guys like empowered strong and independent women. Ya but to a point. When she acts like the guys I’m not attracted. Some betas will like it. They like …
/r/PurplePillDebate27/12/21 10:27 PM
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Not sure I agree. I still see feminism 3 being pushed heavy On the men’s side I see Mgtow Red pill has been there. Not sure it’s increasing. I think more young guys are checking out
/r/PurplePillDebate27/12/21 09:32 PM
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You do NOT do things like working out with the focus on making her happy, especially without having a (her) yet. I do not subscribe to your beliefs. flip it, tell yourself to workout to (attract) women and be in better health. You want to be attractive to women so you have options, not make one specific one happy.
/r/PurplePillDebate27/12/21 08:01 PM
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true, they eat this green stuff ;) I"ve got a few girlfriends into diet and working out correctly, not just cardio (sigh). Do some weights and not just leg/butt stuff. when I throw you around, I don't want to break anything ;)
/r/PurplePillDebate27/12/21 07:58 PM
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do it for you is the point. It's like being someone you are not, it doesn't end well typically. Also, it's not up to you to make your girl happy. Her happiness is not my job, just like mine is not her job.
/r/PurplePillDebate27/12/21 07:56 PM
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true, I like girls with muscles, but most don't have to do a lot. Just stay thin
/r/PurplePillDebate27/12/21 07:49 PM
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this is a joke, right? cmon And stop it. You are "working on physique to make a future girlfriend happy". you know how bad that sounds? You work out for you, not for her.
/r/PurplePillDebate27/12/21 07:49 PM
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you win the Internet. She sounds like a frustrated angry girl
/r/PurplePillDebate27/12/21 07:41 PM
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you are funny. If I (wanted) to approach a woman in public. I would. Please explain why should I? Especially in today's (Karen, metoo) nightmare world. I'm good looking, I know it. I see women checking me out all the time. It doesn't mean they want me to come over and hit on them. They may be married, in a LTR, whatever. I prefer to have them show some interest first. It's smart, perfectly logical. Explain why it's not smart, remove your emotions.
/r/PurplePillDebate27/12/21 07:29 PM
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gender roles making a big comeback. explain please
/r/PurplePillDebate27/12/21 07:26 PM
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not sure you are getting the IOI correct then. And again, you have to add the situation into the picture. I agree most young girls are entitled. They only respect men they are interested in.
/r/PurplePillDebate27/12/21 07:25 PM
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let me ask you. first of all, flirting is not having sex. Nothing wrong since we are both adults, but I don't do that myself, I like 30's and up for me. Also, trust me, she was having fun with it and was basically just shocked how much fun she was having, part of why they are confused. So, the question for you, do you think there's more guys like me doing this, OR, More 40+ yo women who are having ONS with 20 something yo Guys on tinder? Nothing wrong with it, they are both adults. And trust me,…
/r/PurplePillDebate27/12/21 07:23 PM
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Good for you I guess. Me. I prefer the other way
/r/PurplePillDebate27/12/21 05:54 PM
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Why not?
/r/PurplePillDebate27/12/21 05:13 PM
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For fun sure. I get a kick how confused they get. I did with one girl at an event I was bored at. She was so confused asked me. How old are you ? Like 40? I laughed and thanked her I have kids her age so that’s all it would be. That’s me though.
/r/PurplePillDebate27/12/21 05:12 PM
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Both men and women are part of the system. Only men in top 10 or 20% have input into the system though
/r/PurplePillDebate27/12/21 04:50 PM
1

Good advice. Women are not the goal
/r/PurplePillDebate27/12/21 04:46 PM
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In the USA. The women have a huge advantage in courts with divorce and child custody. It also varies a bit by state Some states like mass are crazy
/r/PurplePillDebate27/12/21 03:52 PM
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It’s smart. What is insecure about it?
/r/PurplePillDebate27/12/21 02:58 PM
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Why are you upset that I don’t approach women cold? Honestly why should I? I wait until they show interest. Makes sense to me and it works well. My self esteem is fine thank Trying to insult me or Shame me for this is pretty weak.
/r/PurplePillDebate27/12/21 02:31 PM
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I value my time I only will pursue a girl who shows interest first. I have no lack of suitors. You can call yourself a brave man for asking girls out cold. Good for you. I will do my thing. You do yours.
/r/PurplePillDebate27/12/21 01:18 PM
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Women don’t care about men’s problems. They want (attractive) guys to hit on them. But. Only attractive. If she doesn’t find you attractive. You are a creep It is what it is. That’s why I only look for girls showing clear signs of interest. Even then. You have to figure out does she just find you attractive or is she interested. Yes she can find you attractive but not be interested. Example. I’m almost 60. I have a six pack and jacked. The 23 year old at the pool keeps looking at me. Flicking he…
/r/PurplePillDebate27/12/21 01:15 PM
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Majority of women will not come up and hit on a guy. They give interest signals. Many do this But yes some women will straight up and hit up a guy. Yes I’ve been hit on many times.
/r/PurplePillDebate27/12/21 01:06 PM
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Women approach men they find very attractive. They give them signs of interest. They will escalate and some will make excuses to start a conversation. Some just come out and say. You are hot typically after some alcohol. Majority stop at signs of interest. If you don’t pick up on it they assume you are ignoring them or are stupid
/r/PurplePillDebate27/12/21 12:21 PM
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Yup. I have women do that for me. Making excuses to start a conversation. It’s a real time saver.
/r/PurplePillDebate27/12/21 12:11 PM
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Women hate being rejected. Just like men. But they will wait for a guy who is (brave)enough in their view Translation. I’m not risking being rejected. You have to. That’s why you look for signs of interest. Plus I value my time. If she’s not giving me major signs of interest. She’s not that interested or shy. I don’t want either of those girls.
/r/PurplePillDebate27/12/21 12:10 PM
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Men want their woman to be a hoe for them. Not everyone Yes. We want it our way. Just like women. Big surprise
/r/PurplePillDebate27/12/21 01:18 AM
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The third date stuff is crap. Most guys won’t wait today because they know she hasn’t. Or very likely hasn’t. But we don’t care about her problems. We want what we want. If she’s been with many guys. She can be fun. But don’t expect a ring
/r/PurplePillDebate27/12/21 01:06 AM
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You never cold approach a woman. If a women is giving you clear signs of interest. Spark a conversation.
/r/PurplePillDebate26/12/21 10:17 PM
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It gives men options/release who otherwise can’t
/r/PurplePillDebate26/12/21 10:13 PM
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Well thought out and expressed. Me. I always expect things to change. I don’t hope I demand a lot from my current girl. Im upfront about it. She wants it. For now I enjoy it and will see where it goes. But I am not wishing or hoping. If things change. I have lots of options for girls. This is the key to abundance mentality.
/r/PurplePillDebate26/12/21 10:02 PM
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Yes. I’ve been on that sub. Those girls get it. I have one myself.
/r/PurplePillDebate26/12/21 09:46 PM
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But the question is phrased from red pill = men. And you are asking what both sides should do. I gave you what a man should do. Women have it much much easier for sex. As you know. But if you are very low on the smv scale or have high standards and can’t get what you want. I’d imagine it’s similar to what men should do. More and more women are going single route. But they have easy access to casual sex when they want typically. The men usually don’t. Which is why prostitution should be legalized
/r/PurplePillDebate26/12/21 09:43 PM
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Like any man. Live the life you want. Do what you want. Women are not your goal in life. Remember that. They can be an accessory to your life. They can add value.
/r/PurplePillDebate26/12/21 08:46 PM
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Yup. I’m a hvm. I treat relationships as does this add value to my life. If it doesn’t I move on. I always watch what she does and how she treats me. Always ready to move on. I think all relationships will be like this in future.
/r/PurplePillDebate26/12/21 08:05 PM
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Yup. I observe the system and take what I want from it. I have fun with hoes. They really are fun. But I’m not putting a ring on it. They are for fun. I also never trust what a woman tells me about her past. I encourage her to talk about it and I fill blanks in. Some will call that dishonest. It’s not. It’s just learning the truth.
/r/PurplePillDebate26/12/21 07:59 PM
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Sometimes. Some short girls have a tall preference. It is what it is. Guys. We have our preferences too. So not a problem with me.
/r/PurplePillDebate26/12/21 07:48 PM
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Not a huge advantage. Take a 6 foot 2 guy. Same build and facial attractiveness as a 5 ft 10 guy. The girls will be more attracted to the the taller guy but not so much. Now if the guy is short. 5 foot 8 and below. It will be a big difference. Tall girls and some with strong preference will only go for tall guy A guy should never approach a girl near his height or taller Waste of time
/r/PurplePillDebate26/12/21 05:02 PM
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Most girls. Like muscular men. Don’t have to be body builder. Some girls will say they aren’t attracted because they are afraid they can’t keep him. Now many guys are muscular but have a gut also. Not as attractive. The girls typically will take a lean less muscular guy. Think six packs
/r/PurplePillDebate26/12/21 04:56 PM
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Taller than her in 4 inch heels. Typically
/r/PurplePillDebate26/12/21 04:51 PM
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And most women repulse men like me. A hvm male. Thing is women don’t need anything to have fun. They don’t even have to be pretty. Those girls then have to settle for guys around there level. Doesn’t work well for either side
/r/PurplePillDebate25/12/21 08:28 PM
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Not really what she’s saying. She’s saying play the field. All of it. Fuck them all. Have your fun. Then find a nice provider to settle down with. Turn it around and have it as guy advice to a guy. Would you want your guy taking that advice and did it?
/r/PurplePillDebate25/12/21 05:45 PM
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Like it
/r/PurplePillDebate25/12/21 05:42 PM
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Most girls won’t ltr a guy with bare minimum income.
/r/PurplePillDebate22/12/21 01:32 AM
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It means she sees you as a provider. Beta. Me I don’t really care what they say Words are cheap in my view. It’s all about actions and how she treats you.
/r/PurplePillDebate20/12/21 02:32 PM
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Does that work for women too? Some people enjoy casual sex. Some need emotional attachment. That’s what I’ve seen. Good and bad or really things to watch out for on both ends
/r/PurplePillDebate19/12/21 10:27 PM
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Agreed. That’s what I would do when they wanted more than I was willing to give. I cared. I wish more on both sides would
/r/PurplePillDebate17/12/21 01:51 AM
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Words are kind of important when it comes to making an agreement.
/r/PurplePillDebate17/12/21 01:45 AM
1

Truth
/r/PurplePillDebate17/12/21 01:43 AM
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For sex no. But a ltr. Yes. If she’s got nothing in term of rmv. She’s just for fun
/r/PurplePillDebate16/12/21 03:26 PM
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Yup. They look like guys. I’m not attracted to guys. Simple
/r/PurplePillDebate16/12/21 01:09 PM
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I like a woman who is fit and has muscles. But for me there’s limits. If she (looks) like a guy from roids for example. Well. I’m not attracted to guys. Muscular but keeping the shape and looks of a woman.
/r/PurplePillDebate16/12/21 01:08 PM
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In many cases. They do
/r/PurplePillDebate15/12/21 09:59 PM
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It’s like you want to be lazy and complain you don’t have rich parents. I didn’t either. I worked hard. If you want to be lazy. Move to Europe. But if you stay here a few more years it will likely be the same as Europe. Until it fails that is. Can’t print money forever
/r/PurplePillDebate14/12/21 07:05 PM
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you are correct that you can grind and make that kind of money in the USA. You can not in Europe, they just tax you to the point it's not worth the effort. Why they have very very little in terms of new innovation from Europe. The (upper) classes in the USA are about 20% of households. a lot more than you think. The top 5% , and up, it's logarithmic increases. Brainwashed, yes, I think you are ;) I want a system where you have opportunity. A system without opportunity, like France for example. S…
/r/PurplePillDebate14/12/21 06:18 PM
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I think the point is, don't jump into bed so quick. Get to actually know someone first. If people like jumping into bed quick, fine. Take the consequences of it and dont' complain.
/r/PurplePillDebate14/12/21 05:43 PM
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we don't can improve the system , for sure. our current design is going to fail, our politicians have figured out they can buy votes and people keep voting them in. we are closer to a communist state , than capitalist state right now. Agreed, the elite, will always take care of themselves, in every system. Fearing communism is good. Just because they want to change something, doesn't mean its good. Guaranteed income, very bad. for example. Our system works, if you work hard, do your homework and…
/r/PurplePillDebate14/12/21 05:42 PM
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it's ok, it can be both sides. They didn't know each other. When they do , they may not like what they see for a LTR.
/r/PurplePillDebate14/12/21 05:38 PM
0

we have many classes, elites, wealthy, upper middle class, middle, lower middle, poor. don't ignore that. The greatest system and country the world has ever seen. Is it fair, nothing is fair, you have opportunity. With other systems you don't, simple as that. we are moving clearly toward communist state. There's only 2 classes there. ruling and everyone else
/r/PurplePillDebate14/12/21 04:25 PM
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we are importing millions of illegals every year. we won't have a problem with babies. If you can't afford children, don't have them. Socialist/communists, only want 2 classes. The ruling class and everyone else. Never forget that.
/r/PurplePillDebate14/12/21 04:01 PM
1

I don't think you understand math
/r/PurplePillDebate14/12/21 03:57 PM
7

Terrible idea, IMO
/r/PurplePillDebate14/12/21 03:55 PM
9

Today, in terms of legal marriage. It's a huge negative for men, benefit to women. In the USA and depends upon the state you are in. children, without marriage. I don't think I would have. You have to realize, she can do what she wants, you have kids and she gets custody, she's raising them. That's tough. If married , then a divorce, you still get more "rights" than never married. Again, I wouldn't do it. That's me though. In terms of better, more fulfillign sex lives if single. It depends. Firs…
/r/PurplePillDebate14/12/21 03:36 PM
1

that's why I called it an alternate reality. In today's real life, the only way a male smv 6, ends up with a female smv 9, is if he's wealthy.
/r/PurplePillDebate14/12/21 03:19 PM
3

not necessarily specific, guys want to get an idea of it though. as for acts, to explore in the bedroom, you usually know if someone has done (this or that) before? Better to be open about it.
/r/PurplePillDebate14/12/21 03:17 PM
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that's why I asked if you are from US or went to college there. I"ve seen it all. Women going through the football team, a few at a time,etc. Higher standards, mean you have less available people that would be acceptable to you = less options that are acceptable to you.
/r/PurplePillDebate14/12/21 02:57 PM
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I'd disagree with this in the current market. People have sex so (quickly), that they don't know the person at all. 1,2, 3 dates. I mean seriously, you don't know this person at all. So, are the men lying that they wanted a LTR? Simple, many men get that quick sex, then as you get to know her, she doesn't meet your LTR standards. He didn't lie. How can he lie when he doesn't even know you? Some guys, probably would admit, they never never were going to LTR this girl. But I honestly think that's …
/r/PurplePillDebate14/12/21 02:54 PM
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That makes sense. Your best bet is a guy who's SMV is a bit above you. he'll realize he has options, he won't have issues with security with you. Or if he's same SMV but a great personality , again, knows he has options. You get the point. It's all about knowing you have options.
/r/PurplePillDebate14/12/21 02:48 PM
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many women have just (f'd that hot guy in college or other), just for the thrill or just because they wanted to. Not just a for young people anymore either. Many divorced women, 30's, 40's,etc, try the experience also. Mostly for validation, feel good,etc. For a LTR, of course no one wants a broke, lazy person. LTR's have other (standards), than just looks. LTR's also allow for lower standards in looks to capture all the other requirements. some women get lucky and hit the jackpot, hottest guy t…
/r/PurplePillDebate14/12/21 02:46 PM
1

I can see the secure woman is scary for guys. Remember, girls have very easy access to casual sex and moving on from a relationship easily. The closer you are to your guy's SMV,etc, the easier it is to leave for same or better option for example. One of the reasons that the guy should be 1 to 2 SMV higher than his LTR for example. So, a lot of guys would find it uncomfortable. The more "options" a guy has, the less he will be worried about this. But, as long as he believes you aren't a flight ri…
/r/PurplePillDebate14/12/21 02:41 PM
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uhmm, you ever go to a college in the US? I've seen it across all social classes. I would agree, the higher your status, the less frequent it would be. Which makes perfect sense, they have higher standards = less acceptable options
/r/PurplePillDebate14/12/21 02:36 PM
2

fair enough. If it works for you, all that matters.
/r/PurplePillDebate14/12/21 02:35 PM
2

I can see that I think men/women are same that way. If you are young, it may be they haven't been rejected. But, most guys sure have, it's part of the landscape. Both sides have to learn to not take it personal. Can be all sorts of reasons why someone doesn't want what you want. Disappointment is normal, but have to move on.
/r/PurplePillDebate14/12/21 02:33 PM
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I disagree, it's very common.
/r/PurplePillDebate14/12/21 02:26 PM
1

guys find you being secure offensive? How so?
/r/PurplePillDebate14/12/21 02:14 PM
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It's clear that marriage is on the decline. Younger generations are waiting longer and longer. Fewer people getting married, more staying single into their 40's, 50's, lifetime,etc. It's already here and my view it will accelerate. If feminism 3.0 continues, that trend will accelerate.
/r/PurplePillDebate14/12/21 02:08 PM
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a LOT of women are doing casual. Women do get the (feelings,excitement) from it, especially being with hot guys. A LOT of women won't admit to doing casual. I would see so many OLD profiles on (match) for example with a women who wants an LTR, not interested in casual, looking for my "forever partner". Then, I'd see their profile on Tinder, no words, just a sex profile picture. Hmmm, just testing the waters, no harm, no foul.
/r/PurplePillDebate14/12/21 02:01 PM
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Well, I'm a guy , old and successful in the dating game. I reflect and learn. What's the definition of doing the same thing over and over again and expecting a different result? Learn, adjust in everything in life.
/r/PurplePillDebate14/12/21 01:58 PM
3

I've seen many women devastated that their (short term boy friend), casual hookup that they didn't want to be casual, moved on. I've seen it a lot. Mainly because the guy was out of their league.
/r/PurplePillDebate14/12/21 01:55 PM
1

ah ok, are you gay? If not, how does that work out? you just get what you want from them and move on?
/r/PurplePillDebate14/12/21 01:54 PM
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(They just have to be attractive enough for you to take the other things into account as well) The definition of (settling). I'd actually argue that women aren't really settling here. In reality they probably couldn't land that (hot) guy for LTR/marriage. So, it's not "settling". But, in some cases, sure , a women could get a (better looking) guy than she ended up with. LTR and especially marriage is "the whole picture". Guys just don't like the idea of a girl they are in a LTR with, was with ho…
/r/PurplePillDebate14/12/21 01:52 PM
3

? confused. If you aren't into LTR or marriage, then don't. It's ok to go the single route, if it works for you.
/r/PurplePillDebate14/12/21 01:41 PM
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men have nothing wrong with women wanting an attractive partner. It's often that women have an inflated sense of what they can get for a partner. What increases this issue is that women can get that man for casual sex, but not for a LTR and some get confused by it. Me, I don't care, just find it interesting, I do what I want and what works for me. I think more men should talk this approach.
/r/PurplePillDebate14/12/21 01:40 PM
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so, if that happens to you, do you adjust your plan or continue on as is? curious. Do you reflect on why they didn't commit?
/r/PurplePillDebate14/12/21 01:38 PM
2

and just like women, men have different standards for casual vs. LTR. for an LTR, the women needs RMV. for casual, doesn't really matter as long as she's not a harpy. But, I quickly realized casual wasn't worth it for me even though easily accessible. I may be an outlier. Casual doesnt' work with my preferences.
/r/PurplePillDebate14/12/21 01:35 PM
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Some men have high standards for their partner. Even for casual sex. For a partner even more so. These are generally hvm. They have choices. Many avg men get what they can
/r/PurplePillDebate14/12/21 12:44 PM
1

It’s weather. It’s always changing.
/r/PurplePillDebate13/12/21 09:50 PM
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depends on what you consider to be a slut?
/r/PurplePillDebate13/12/21 07:34 PM
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no, there aren't. Again the 80/20 principal. 20% of the men, are slutting with 80% of the women. So, many women end up with guys who, were not their first or second or third choice to be with physically.
/r/PurplePillDebate13/12/21 07:34 PM
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Let them call me cheap, better to find out quick. How about, let me find out if she's interested in my, or interested in what I can provide her.
/r/PurplePillDebate13/12/21 05:37 PM
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I don't go to dinner or drinks on first date. I only even went to coffee places when the weather was bad. Go to the parks and walk, walking trails, etc. Public places which are safe, but go walk and talk or just sit and enjoy the parks,etc. There's no need to go to food places or get drinks. When we get to that point a few dates in, expectations is she splits the cost. If not, well, she's not interested or she wants a provider. Women are equal today, right? Don't want to insult her by paying for…
/r/PurplePillDebate13/12/21 05:35 PM
3

deflecting what exactly? Name one huge problem. Feminist 3.0 is misandry in a nutshell. Take advantage of men wherever we can, we hate men. I don't hurt at all. I'm doing very well, thank you. I very much disagree with Feminism 3.0 and the Main stream media in general today, whatever they push, I'm usually the opposite. But, you didn't really answer the question. I always hear and read on these threads about Misogyny. Why not the other way? Oh, that's right, because it's all mens' fault, right?
/r/PurplePillDebate13/12/21 05:28 PM
1

I will repeat, I'm not a republican, that's actually an insult to me. You do have to be smart enough to not listen to propaganda from the MSM. Did you actual read about that the ice in the arctic is at record levels? Did you read that Antarctica (a continent) by the way, recorded the coldest year on record? No. you don't read about those things, why is it never in the MSM? It's inconvenient. That's why. Then ask, who is it inconvenient to? Why is it? Ask questions, it's good. that's what scienti…
/r/PurplePillDebate13/12/21 05:24 PM
1

Funny. I"m old, I know a lot about the opposite sex. I"m also still learning. we are very different, male/female. It's good to learn, good to hear other views. TRP men are all the same, ok, got it. Because you know everything about men, you have lots of experience. HOw come we never hear about or see Misandry? There sure is a lot of it.
/r/PurplePillDebate13/12/21 04:00 PM
1

Funny, I'm no longer in nuclear physics and I have multiple degrees. you didn't read it or understand it, or want to understand. That's the annoying thing with (believers). They believe so strongly, but won't actually look, listen or research it themselves. They just want to believe. Look at all the predictions that have been made on climate change, previously known as global warming. How many are actually coming true? How many are not? Interesting isn't it?
/r/PurplePillDebate13/12/21 03:10 PM
1

I publish research papers, in my field. I'm considered a (scientist), get it? actually I"ve published in several fields, I change careers when I get bored. Are you a scientist? You don't have to be. But, do you understand Meteorology? Do you understand how to look at historical records and data and form you own conclusions? Example: I have a background in Nuclear Physics. I am a strong proponent of Nuclear power. The strongest opponents I see , have no clue how nuclear power works. They have no …
/r/PurplePillDebate13/12/21 02:55 PM
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so you think men are all the same? And you don't think men go out and experience dating? Or you are attempting to insult me? You going to call me a virgin next? Misogyny. Most overused word of the decade.
/r/PurplePillDebate13/12/21 02:46 PM
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It's mens fault for everything. didn't you already know that?
/r/PurplePillDebate13/12/21 02:42 PM
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Not a republican, I am a scientist , a real one. Are you? Don't believe what you read in main stream media. Analyze data yourself. But, if you aren't a scientist. You have a lot of homework to do.
/r/PurplePillDebate13/12/21 02:40 PM
2

default answer is , I like it better when you are bent over.
/r/PurplePillDebate13/12/21 02:32 PM
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AWALT, all women are like that. (but to what degree). Many women can remain faithful,etc. Because they have awareness and control. So, it's AWALT, but to what degree. Can she control it, she gets it? Just like men, AMALT. They want to f every young pretty girl they can right? Well, the ones who can, many don't? Why? Because they too can remain faithful and such. Society clearly warns women about men who stray, all men are like this or that. Society also clearly still shows women in a disney like…
/r/PurplePillDebate13/12/21 02:25 PM
3

True, he wasn't going to have to support his daughter and her child while the guy walked away.
/r/PurplePillDebate13/12/21 02:15 PM
1

climate change is a farce. That's elitists trying to get more of your money for the good of (climate). The (climate) is always changing, that's why they change it from global warming to climate change. The world is actually (cooling), not warming. One of the reasons why NOAA keeps (improving) their data analysis. They aren't improving it, they are "fudging" the data to look like warming is occurring. They won't share/show the (raw) data. Therefore anything they publish is pure garbage.
/r/PurplePillDebate13/12/21 02:14 PM
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the world is (VERY) overpopulated Majority of the world population is living in absolute poverty. It is not possible to bring them to a (western) version of middle class for example. There's not enough resources to support. Those of us living in Western World, don't see this. Unless you've spent time in 3rd world countries, India, china for example.
/r/PurplePillDebate13/12/21 02:11 PM
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shotgun weddings were enforced by the father's of the (expectant brides).
/r/PurplePillDebate13/12/21 02:02 PM
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well put. Marriages have pro's/cons. You lose freedom, you gain security. Does it make sense today? If you want kids, I agree with the 2 parents should invest with the kids. But, only if it's a caring/loving relationship.
/r/PurplePillDebate13/12/21 01:58 PM
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compatibility can mean a wide range of things. Think of it also as, do you fight a lot, how do you fight? Does it get nasty. Is there resentment, can't let it go,etc. I think compatibility is a list of relationship things you (need to match), that this person does match. But, it's good to also get specific and list out what things work and why to better understand relationships and measure them.
/r/PurplePillDebate13/12/21 01:54 PM
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Simply, No If you are a man, No, not at all. It will be used against you. Only time it is really required. If you have/want kids, a pre-nup that includes child custody (hoping it will actually not be challenged), may make sense.
/r/PurplePillDebate13/12/21 01:43 PM
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Like this. viewing it as a partnership. Liking each other and enjoying time together. similar values and similar life goals. All very important compromise and being able to disagree respectfully also are key I lean red
/r/PurplePillDebate13/12/21 01:41 PM
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I"m not sure the (best friends) thing is required. I'm a guy, I think girls best friends should be another girl, sister/friend. I'm more her friend, and someone she can confide in for anything. I think being able to compromise is a huge need for a relationship. Being able to hear others views and respect them. Being able to talk out differences, respectfully.
/r/PurplePillDebate13/12/21 01:38 PM
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well, if you asked them out, that's clear. I think most people can put an objective number on themselves. some are way off base, on both sides of the spectrum, (under/over). You can put a photo on some of those sites and have a rating done, not fun of course and it's skewed to younger people.. But, the key is having an idea of where you stand. That's at least where you start. sorry I"m not much help
/r/PurplePillDebate13/12/21 01:31 PM
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exactly. who gets primary custody of kids in a divorce? Women Feminists 3.0 version is all about taking advantage of men whenever they can. Until that movement is stopped and called out by women, then women can't say they even believe in equality.
/r/PurplePillDebate13/12/21 01:22 PM
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I think you are confusing the guy will have fun with the slut but not commit to her.
/r/PurplePillDebate13/12/21 12:30 PM
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Being able to rate yourself (realistically) is important. Are you going for guys above you. How can you tell if you don’t know where you are? If not ugly or overweight. This is unusual. And you give signs of interest and they reject? Very unusual. Do they know you are giving signs of interest or you assume they get it? Young guys today suck at this. Part of it they are afraid of approaching and getting attacked.
/r/PurplePillDebate12/12/21 04:10 PM
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Are you saying that men pay you no interest? Men at your smv and well below it? I find hard to believe. What would you rate your smv? If 5 or less. It could be true. Men at that smv level and below are the ones most likely to be tuning out. They have no self esteem with women and would be the ones who don’t show interest. You would have to give those guys real signs of interest to have them show interest
/r/PurplePillDebate12/12/21 03:38 PM
2

Who makes out better in divorce?
/r/PurplePillDebate12/12/21 02:24 PM
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Most women are only looking at men above them. That’s why you here where are all the good men. It’s not just harder for men it’s way way harder. Something women can’t understand because it’s not something they have to deal with or care about. Today more men are checking out. Not staying in shape not getting good jobs. It’s reducing the amount of men that women will be attracted to. Not a good trend for either side
/r/PurplePillDebate12/12/21 02:09 PM
1

The peach one is very popular. It’s seasonal. Come out end of March I think.
/r/PurplePillDebate12/12/21 02:00 PM
1

Attraction is not negotiable. It is or is not.
/r/PurplePillDebate11/12/21 11:52 PM
1

the flaw in this is that guys' generally can't get a girl higher in SMV. He typically has best girl at his smv and very typical, just a bit under his smv. So, he can't really get a girl higher, typically.
/r/PurplePillDebate10/12/21 10:42 PM
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I agree, women can still love a 6. But they don't lust after him, especially when they've been with guys much higher in smv. Casual sex I think has negatives in general for both sides. that's my opinion.
/r/PurplePillDebate10/12/21 10:39 PM
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Respectfully. The reality is how he feels. Women often complain that men neglect their feelings. Ok here you go. Women neglect this feeling men have. That’s his reality. Don’t minimize it. Let’s just say she doesn’t have to do anything she doesn’t want. He can then act as he sees fit.
/r/PurplePillDebate10/12/21 07:02 PM
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Good points. But it’s a bit different than your partner having experience with people much higher in smv than you. But I agree. Each stings hard in their own way
/r/PurplePillDebate10/12/21 05:54 PM
3

? No, I don't. he doesn't like heavier girls. So, that means he's an asshole. Ok, that means you need to go out with ugly fat guys. Because if you don't, you are an asshole. that's reverse logic if you don't understand. Oh, and guess what, even if he's fat and ugly, but doesn't like girls size 12 or larger. He's still not an asshole. It's his preference. You can call him delusional , if you want, that's ok. Unless he's rich, because then he probably will do fine getting a thinner girl.
/r/PurplePillDebate10/12/21 05:01 PM
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I don't care about style. I like what I like. Yes, what you say, a preference is a preference.
/r/PurplePillDebate10/12/21 04:55 PM
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why does he (look like an asshole)? He does not prefer larger women. Do you think women are asshole for saying they won't date a guy unless he's taller than them? Or, at least 6 feet tall,etc? You can't have it both ways. Preferences are things people shouldn't be criticized for. Everyone has their own thing. Don't blame them for it.
/r/PurplePillDebate10/12/21 04:53 PM
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yup, common sense. If this the situation, she's a high risk for long term relation. Women don't want to hear that though. It's mean. The men who think like this must be insecure or virgins. Yup I mentioned earlier in thread, about an alternate reality. where, it's reversed, men/women. A guy who's a total SMV 6, can land hot SMV 9 girls, for ONS, no problem. Then, a girl who's smv 6, ends up with this smv 6 guy. She knows he's been with real hot girls, way better than her. Doesn't bother her at a…
/r/PurplePillDebate10/12/21 04:45 PM
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"when in a relationship, attractive is less important" Exactly, and that's what bothers most guys in a LTR. If he's not planning a real LTR with you, then he won't care. Again, women can do hookups/casual sex with guys above them in SMV. Guys, typically can't. If the roles were reversed, I'm sure women would have a real problem with it. I"m sure I'll get a lot of women saying, no , not true. But you can't really say that, because it's not something you have to experience. You are just saying it …
/r/PurplePillDebate10/12/21 04:39 PM
1

(would an abusive or otherwise sexually morally distorted guy qualify as this if his 'title' was earned through exploitation, manipulation, taking advantage etc)? An (alpha) guy is deemed (hot) by women or the woman in question. why is it so? you ask me, I"m not a woman. If he gets what he wants from her, then he's an alpha in her view. Look you are trying to inspect this too much. Alpha = the hot guy I'd do a ONS with and just let him do what he wants with me. he's probably a guy I'd never be a…
/r/PurplePillDebate10/12/21 04:01 PM
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Maybe true if looking at it for ltr. But women if looking for casual or meet a guy that turns them on. It’s mostly physical Casual = hot Ltr = all my lists have to be met
/r/PurplePillDebate10/12/21 02:23 PM
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I bet she did for chad. Women don’t have rules for chad.
/r/PurplePillDebate10/12/21 01:26 PM
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Not wanting to do one thing as ridiculous. Possible but it depends on the situation. If she gave other guys oral. But doesn’t want to for me. It’s not necessarily ridiculous. It’s very disappointing and not meeting my needs. If I’m very large and she doesn’t want Anal with me. I get it. It’s not a one size fit all. I totally agree. But guys will always view it initially as a no rules for chad but rules for me. Don’t blame them. There’s a huge amount of evidence for them to think that way.
/r/PurplePillDebate10/12/21 01:10 PM
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Everyone fucks? Not sure I understand. Alpha fucks is a girl who is with a guy above her. She finds him hot. It brings out her carnal side. She does things for him that would not for others. There’s no rules or boundaries. I’ve been that guy. I’ve seen it. Beta bucks is she has a nice guy. Great relationship. But he’s not hot. He doesn’t turn her on sexually. He’s a beta for her. Guys don’t want to be the beta.
/r/PurplePillDebate10/12/21 12:58 PM
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There can be valid reasons. Or her hamster is working hard. Look I’ve had girls flat out tell me to do anything you want with me. Use me please. If a girl in a ltr is not giving me that kind of effort. Either she’s not that into me or we are not compatible. Either one is ok. I wonder if those girls limit there husband or boyfriends. I’m guessing they do.
/r/PurplePillDebate10/12/21 12:31 PM
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I want my desires met and want to believe that I’m getting her best. If I’m not getting her best effort then why would we stay together? She is not that into me as she was with others and I’m not getting my needs met. Your argument is basically alpha fucks and beta bucks. She went wild and experimented with the alphas and now comfortably wants to settle in with a beta. There are good reasons to turn down things in a relationship. I’m talking about doing acts frequently with an ex or many ex’s an…
/r/PurplePillDebate10/12/21 12:27 PM
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Women never experiment with casual sex? Not all. But quite a few sure do and with gusto
/r/PurplePillDebate09/12/21 10:02 PM
1

One would assume you have most of these items figured out well before marriage. If during the marriage things get taken off the table for example. One would wonder and question why. Each situation would be specific to that couple. Too many variables
/r/PurplePillDebate09/12/21 09:30 PM
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Yes. Everyone has their own taste or what they want. For a ltr it may be very different than for a fling. Timing definitely is part especially when young. Your job and studies are more important along with establishing yourself. Some men are very stoic. Is it because they only see you as a temp situation or that’s who they are? You have to figure that out. Either one is not good No she can’t get any guy. True but you get my point. She can get guys well above her smv for casual sex no problem. He…
/r/PurplePillDebate09/12/21 09:21 PM
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I would argue these women aren't (settling). They have a very inaccurate sense of (self) value. What contributes to this is the casual sex access to higher men than she can get in a LTR. It skews many women's perception. They believe, I can get these guys. No, you never could get them. They will F you, but they aren't going to have a relationship/commit to you. They never were going to, you were just fun sex.
/r/PurplePillDebate09/12/21 08:29 PM
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you are correct, everyone has their own taste. But it's a generality. Example, I'm not 6 foot 2, some women would not consider me because of that, but they would agree, ya, he's good looking. Just an example. The person of their dreams (physically) may not be attainable, hopefully it's what they are happy with in the end. (does this going for top 20% only apply to casual sex, or a lower woman who doesn't want casual but a LTR for example). It depends. If a woman is an SMV 6, she can get sex from…
/r/PurplePillDebate09/12/21 08:27 PM
1

I know right
/r/PurplePillDebate09/12/21 07:38 PM
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that and going through a divorce rape
/r/PurplePillDebate09/12/21 07:01 PM
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why doesn't it make sense? Would you agree that women would generally want the (best) guy they can get? Guys would want that also, but it comes down to that they can get. For Casual sex, women have the huge benefit of the fact that High value men/High SMV men will have sex with much lower women. It doesn't work the other way.
/r/PurplePillDebate09/12/21 06:59 PM
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RMV is relationship market value. For a woman is she sane, clean, cooks, takes care of things, not a high maintenance relationship. Adds value to his life. The only time I've seen a woman less SMV than guy, is either a woman who's got cash to burn, or a LTR/marriage, where over the years and kids, the woman let it go and the guy still has it. If you are avg looking and you have a good personality/RMV, you have high worth in the market for sure. If you are above avg looks, you can get almost any …
/r/PurplePillDebate09/12/21 06:55 PM
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women are very competitive in those type of comparisons. I've seen it as a guy and hear it from my gf's,etc. As you know, it's a pecking order, women compare themselves in their social order ruthlessly. I believe it's (ideal) if a women lands a man who is a bit above her SMV. Why? Because women always are tempted. Having a good looking guy should reduce the need or desire to stray. From what I've seen that best scenario is a girl who is a 7, lands a guy who's an 8 for example or (she) views him …
/r/PurplePillDebate09/12/21 01:48 PM
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You sound well grounded. Very atypical. I don’t have issues with women going after men at same smv or a bit higher. I think this is actually good for long term relationships. Also staying fit and active is key.
/r/PurplePillDebate09/12/21 02:13 AM
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Her body, her choice He has no choice You keep ignoring that. Because it's convenient for women.
/r/PurplePillDebate08/12/21 02:49 PM
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you knew the risk, and even if she did take the pill, it fails sometimes, so you should be responsible. "You never implied it"? Ok, so it's all his fault is what you are saying , Again. Where is it that he refused to wear a condom, again, you are trying to phrase it as "it's the mans fault". What if it's not fault? What if they were using contraception and it just happened? Again, it comes down to "she" gets to decide everything, "he" has no choice in the matter. The child is not the focus in th…
/r/PurplePillDebate08/12/21 01:29 PM
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So you say that lying and deception are ok as long as the woman is doing it. Then the man has to pay for it. Ok. Got it.
/r/PurplePillDebate08/12/21 12:10 PM
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Why would I feel special? Especially if she had a very colorful sex life before me but wants to be vanilla with me? Screams beta provider
/r/PurplePillDebate08/12/21 12:08 PM
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critical thinking hurts feelings
/r/PurplePillDebate07/12/21 07:19 PM
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oh, and i don't want a slave. I think you don't understand. I've said I want and expect her best. One of the reasons why is I'm going to give her my best. I also ask her what I can do for her. If we aren't giving each other our best, why not find someone you want to give your best.
/r/PurplePillDebate07/12/21 07:04 PM
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There's 3 phases of feminists today. 1st one was voting rights 2nd one was equal rights, land ownership, protections against discrimination,etc. those are absolutely fine. phase 3, is about taking advantage of men anyway we can, for the advantage of women. That's the future of feminism. Men are taken advantage of in divorce, child care,etc in US. here's a great example I'm a guy, girl I"m with say's she's on the pill. Neglects to tell me she has not been taking it. Get's pregnant. I have no righ…
/r/PurplePillDebate07/12/21 06:55 PM
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in the US, shopping is considered a hobby for women. They do it a lot. But, I have no complaints, it's not my money.
/r/PurplePillDebate07/12/21 06:48 PM
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I don't care what others think ;) we would not be compatible and that's ok. Everyone is different.
/r/PurplePillDebate07/12/21 04:19 PM
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? your standards are good, you should not compromise. if your partner had never done them before? Not sure I follow it.
/r/PurplePillDebate07/12/21 03:59 PM
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It comes down to you don't care. others do. It doesn't mean they are "wrong or insecure". I mean, cmon. If I want oral for example and she won't for me but admits she's done it for many of her past guys. She doesn't care about pleasing me, it doesn't matter to her. That's her right. It's also my right to revisit the relationship. that's just an example, there's many others (sexual) or (relationship) you can get also. Everyone is different, as you say, your standards. my standard is i want her be…
/r/PurplePillDebate07/12/21 03:58 PM
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my standard is always, I want and expect your best. simple as that. Why would I accept less? Why would you?
/r/PurplePillDebate07/12/21 03:48 PM
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if you and your husband met very early and had no/few partners. you don't have experience in this area. Those that are older/have had more partners, spouses it's far more relevant. Fixating is not good. As I'v said, it's good to know about a persons past, it's the best view you have of a future with them. In terms of comparisons of past partners, again, it's a marker. Where do you stand. Many women don't care about it, most men do. Right or wrong. To me again, it's very simple. If she regularly …
/r/PurplePillDebate07/12/21 03:45 PM
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Why would you say that? I've spent a lot of time with a lot of women. I'm very honest with them and expect it in return. I give them my best, and expect the same in return. Why are you so fixated on the past (can't matter)? Why are people (wrong) to look at past of their partner?
/r/PurplePillDebate07/12/21 03:27 PM
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(i'll call it what it is, insecurity). it's not at all. Like you say, you don't want to be 2nd or 3rd best partner. What happened to the #1 partner? Why would she not want better than #1 that she had? Why did that relationship end? Is that insecurity? Not at all, that's common sense. The problem women have is, the freakier their past is, the more partners they've had. They don't want to hear that the next partner they have expects that and more? I've had many women tell me, after only a few date…
/r/PurplePillDebate07/12/21 03:00 PM
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pretty fair assessment. Each situation has to be viewed as it is. It can't all be generalized.
/r/PurplePillDebate07/12/21 02:51 PM
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You are doing the typical man bashing here. If men have a different view that you don't like, they are pathologically insecure, lack of understanding,etc. Next thing you'll say is that they must be virgins and are jealous,etc. It's simple. Men want to know if he's your number 1. He wants to know that you are giving him your best. It's that simple. If you did things with others, but don't want to do it with him. He's not number 1. I'm not talking about trying anal once , it was bad, so never agai…
/r/PurplePillDebate07/12/21 02:30 PM
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(This sounds a lot like the epiphany phase/shift where women drop their looks standards to settle for a long-term partner). It sure is. I've grown, I've figure out what I want, I've learned from my mistakes.
/r/PurplePillDebate07/12/21 01:52 PM
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excellent comment. I always go into a relationship stating to my girls that I want your best, I expect your best.
/r/PurplePillDebate07/12/21 01:50 PM
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most top guys don't ramble on from what I've noticed. The guys who are very talkative are the beta's. General observation
/r/PurplePillDebate07/12/21 01:46 PM
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Comparisons can be used as a positive. You compare your life, job,whatever to others and decide if you want that too. It's used as a motivator. Most humans need motivation, which is a prime example why socialism/communism always fails. If there's no motivation, there's nothing done. If you use it to whine and complain that I can't get that. obviously it's not healthy.
/r/PurplePillDebate07/12/21 01:42 PM
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You are supposed to know what they want. ;)
/r/PurplePillDebate07/12/21 01:38 PM
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Oh, the past doesn't matter at all, right? The past is the best view of what your future looks like with your SO. You've heard ,dont' expect people to change, people don't change,etc? so, why would not looking at the past be important? For many reasons, not just sex. continue on in disney world, I don't spend much time there.
/r/PurplePillDebate07/12/21 01:33 PM
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A women who doesn't give me her best, is not worth my effort.
/r/PurplePillDebate07/12/21 01:29 PM
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Exactly, Her boundaries can change, if they are more restrictive for me. Then my view of a committed relationship can change too. She shouldn't do anything she doesn't want to. I'm free to make my own decisions based upon that.
/r/PurplePillDebate07/12/21 01:27 PM
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it's perfect logic, it's just that you don't like it. simple question. Do you want the best from your SO? Would you want to know/hear that your SO did (more, treated others) better than you, did more for them? Why would you accept that? I want her best, it's simple. Madonna/whore, you are completely off on that. It's not taking a virgin and expecting her to be a whore for me. I just expect her to give me as much or more than she's given others. She doesn't have to. And, I don't have to stay with…
/r/PurplePillDebate07/12/21 01:25 PM
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you are naive, the politicians want it to fail = more power In the meantime, they take money from the CEO's to look the other way
/r/PurplePillDebate06/12/21 09:02 PM
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alcohol?
/r/PurplePillDebate06/12/21 08:32 PM
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makes perfect sense. Is she giving me her best? Does not mean she has to do everything I want/say. And I mentioned if she did it once and didn't like it, fine.
/r/PurplePillDebate06/12/21 08:31 PM
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If she never did it and did not want to try it. Then, it's not a matter of giving me her best. Me, if she's not giving me her best, or in my view her best, because we really never know her past, right? If it's not her best, why am I staying with her? If she looooves me, why would she not give me her best?
/r/PurplePillDebate06/12/21 08:12 PM
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hmm, 51% or more, probably not, certainly would not admit it. But, a lot more are open to casual sex if the right guy comes along than you think.
/r/PurplePillDebate06/12/21 08:07 PM
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of course they are, Alpha fucks and beta bucks
/r/PurplePillDebate06/12/21 08:06 PM
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of course it does If she never did it, then it's not that she doesn't want to with me. She never did and doesn't want to.
/r/PurplePillDebate06/12/21 08:03 PM
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the majority of women, will never admit they are seeking casual sex.
/r/PurplePillDebate06/12/21 07:27 PM
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the only thing socialized medicine in the US will do, is give all but the wealthy the same miserable system. The wealthy will always just have their own system.
/r/PurplePillDebate06/12/21 07:26 PM
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uhmm, both for casual and relationship. Remember, they want the top guys for fun sex, but they'd want them for relationship also. It's not just physical attraction , if he's hot, but has a good job,etc. He's like bacon in a dog pound
/r/PurplePillDebate06/12/21 07:10 PM
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this is the top 10% of men, and they know who they are. If you aren't sure, you aren't one of them.
/r/PurplePillDebate06/12/21 07:07 PM
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yes in a way, but it will be way way worse. like, you need a hip replacement, and need to wait a year. Like, if you need a cancer treatment, timely, well, now you have to wait. that's really bad. So, our (bad) system , will get much worse. Can they fix it, Yes, many ways. They have no interest in doing so.
/r/PurplePillDebate06/12/21 07:01 PM
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The US pays so much because our politicians get paid to let it be so and they actually want it to fail. Canadians laugh at us, (UNTIL) they need medical care, timely medical care. Then they come to the USA. I always ask them, gee, what if the US didn't allow it? (silence)
/r/PurplePillDebate06/12/21 06:59 PM
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the past never matters for women, because if it did, well, shit.
/r/PurplePillDebate06/12/21 06:57 PM
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If I wanted to do a 3some or go to sex clubs, or whatever. And she used to do that, not a one time thing but did it a lot with one guy or more than one guy. Then say's she doesn't want to do it with me and I want to do it. Then, she's not giving me her best. I don't want the rest.
/r/PurplePillDebate06/12/21 06:56 PM
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exactly, they were f'ing Chad, they had a fling with chad. Chad never was going to seal the deal.
/r/PurplePillDebate06/12/21 06:34 PM
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true, both have lots of options
/r/PurplePillDebate06/12/21 06:32 PM
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oh, I'm not sure about that. All women, no, some, for sure
/r/PurplePillDebate06/12/21 06:05 PM
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for those under 30, it's normally something they don't do. I'm older, it was just a habit, enjoy reading things.
/r/PurplePillDebate06/12/21 06:02 PM
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Ok on first. Good bye on second
/r/PurplePillDebate06/12/21 04:47 PM
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It depends. Did she do it once , didn't like it and that's that? Like anal, she did it once, never again? Or, she used to do 3 somes a lot, but doesn't want to do them with you?
/r/PurplePillDebate06/12/21 04:16 PM
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not the only way, but it is important. It's just one of the pieces.
/r/PurplePillDebate06/12/21 03:43 PM
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you mean netflix and tiktok don't count ;) you may have to look for an older guy. much older
/r/PurplePillDebate06/12/21 03:39 PM
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I think in the older generation, true. In the current one, I think it's much more equal.
/r/PurplePillDebate06/12/21 03:26 PM
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98% , really? is there actually a study on that? would like to read it. I like to think people, when there's a disagreement, compromise. You can't always do that, but generally. I think you are more of a white/black viewer, I don't think it's that clear, at least in my experience.
/r/PurplePillDebate06/12/21 03:14 PM
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