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DebateIron-DBZ/r/PurplePillDebate05/10/25 11:58 AM
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more than any interests or opinions we have Many women's interests are exclusionary and don't have much an entry point for men. And the disinterest in opinions goes both ways, most women don't have a shred of curiosity in what men think. But there are those who are curious and they can have conversations. Men just complain about having to deal with women’s emotions and sensitivities, caring about our careers, education and political compatibility, and want us to be “agreeable”, “nurturing” and “…
/r/PurplePillDebate30/10/25 12:52 AM
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I was more asking about you. I return the energy that’s given, yes You can't read the letter you just sent back.
/r/PurplePillDebate29/10/25 11:59 PM
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Maybe that's why you have negative relationships with men. You can't talk to one without condescension.
/r/PurplePillDebate29/10/25 11:46 PM
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Many social ills arise out of ungrounded, maybe even magical thinking. Undisciplined minds are naturally childish because that's where we all start, and if we don't learn and grow, it's also where we stay. And I see a lot of women that don't want to do those two things. Some of them are narcissists, some are just afraid to grow up and find it uncomfortable, but they all create problems for themselves by not learning these lessons the easy way. Meanwhile, many of the women meet logic with emotion…
/r/PurplePillDebate29/10/25 02:58 AM
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Very deliberate sabotage of cultural norms by corporations feeding sexist content to people of all genders.
/r/PurplePillDebate26/10/25 10:41 AM
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It's less about signaling virtue and more about signaling practicality. It's basically saying, "we're playing by rules that overall make more sense and make space for more people to actually find what they want. That's a lot more helpful than whatever it is you're doing. "
/r/PurplePillDebate25/10/25 07:40 PM
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Could you talk more about your aunt's take on things? Opinions from women outside of these spaces are hard to find.
/r/PurplePillDebate22/10/25 05:49 PM
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It's a shame that your professor's takeaway gave Americans a pass. We're culturally sick, and I wish more people understood that. The way he was used to was healthier.
/r/PurplePillDebate22/10/25 10:57 AM
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Experiences When I was teenager I used to watch Laci Green videos, she made sex-ed content and it was really educational. I got more of an education about sex, contraceptives, anatomy watching her stuff than any thing I got in school. And I was attracted to her content because I was a curious boy, I wanted to do well in a part of life that I had no experience in, and the anxiety of not knowing how to do what I wanted pushed me to overcompensate through whatever means were available to me. If the…
/r/PurplePillDebate22/10/25 01:09 AM
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What is your definition of the ‘male loneliness epidemic’? Male Patterned Social Dislocation. There are many facets to it, but it's important to understand how maleness creates unique struggles in society. Loneliness is honestly a bit of an oversimplification and it opens the topic up to the dismissive argument of "women are lonely too". And women are socially dislocated in their own ways, but it doesn't work the same way. The shortest way I can put it is, it's everything that happens to "Social…
/r/PurplePillDebate22/10/25 01:01 AM
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But are you romantically inclined? There are still forms of intimacy that asexual people are open to.
/r/PurplePillDebate21/10/25 03:05 PM
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It's implied by the rest of the conversation. But fair is fair, I skipped over the neutral language, my bad. Your reasoning is sound, I just think this only gets applied to men and it leaves discussions like these lopsided. Because there's a hypernormalization of women's sexuality (can do no wrong) and heavy scrutiny of men's even of they are respectful other people's personhood.
/r/PurplePillDebate21/10/25 03:04 PM
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I think the thing about these women is that they're not used to having to think about how other women date in comparison to themselves. They just want to do their own thing without respecting the fact that there's a whole world outside of them that has shaped the expectations that men are going to have of them. It's way more likely that a woman who comes at a man like this is on that 10 point list rather than being a good match. And they're not used to the idea that they have to prove anything a…
/r/PurplePillDebate21/10/25 12:27 PM
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You can’t be that forward with guys they find it weird and off putting, You're doing the male version of the tactless sex request. You can't engage with people like they exist in a vacuum. Men have good reasons not to trust upfront women. Women are really ignorant to the kinds of risks they pose or the suspicions men might have. So they take things for granted "oh the men are just lying about wanting forward women" when the first step is you have to establish that you're trustworthy. It's not th…
/r/PurplePillDebate21/10/25 12:21 PM
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Do you interrogate women's sexuality like this? I've seen women basically shop for men, go out with the explicit intention to get some dick for the weekend. Is that not objectification. Is that not using people?
/r/PurplePillDebate21/10/25 11:50 AM
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Nah, that's how it goes. Between the misandry, general distrust of men, and the overall lack of care, they're not very willing to help. The only time I've ever brought up a woman being my wing man, she joked that she'd probably take the girl first. There's no comradery.
/r/PurplePillDebate21/10/25 11:46 AM
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Where do you live? Cause I want to go there.
/r/PurplePillDebate21/10/25 11:38 AM
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And how do you work?
/r/PurplePillDebate21/10/25 11:16 AM
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Please share, I would like to restore some of my faith in women.
/r/PurplePillDebate21/10/25 12:48 AM
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It's not strange, it just doesn't happen as much as women say it does. In real life, friendship with women is usually the death of romantic interest, not the start. Familiarity doesn't tend to help men as much as it helps women. I can only guess that it's because women are much more attracted to novelty/need novelty in order to feel anything in the first place. If a woman is used to you and you're not together when it happens, you're probably not going to change that.
/r/PurplePillDebate21/10/25 12:45 AM
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They actually kind of are. It's sad, but a lot of our political disposition can be extrapolated from those of relatives. To the degree they aren't, nurture will fill the gaps. Vice versa for nature. Political leanings are a cultural institution and they are sustained over time by raising people within them. You cannot have a progressive society if everyone progressive basically neuters themselves.
/r/PurplePillDebate19/10/25 02:05 PM
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It's kind of hard to trust people who have a vested interest in certain outcomes and ideas being perpetuated. It takes a lot of faith to accept that someone will admit that they're wrong if they are wrong. And coming from someone like yourself who obviously doesn't have a kind thought about them, it shouldn't be surprising that they don't trust you.
/r/PurplePillDebate17/10/25 11:54 AM
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Being yourself is not compatible with people who endlessly scrutinize others. Dating for men is about turning yourself into a product for window shoppers. Authenticity just means you don't get picked. Women like it when the doll they pick out turns out to be a real person underneath, but at first, they just want the plastic.
/r/PurplePillDebate17/10/25 11:51 AM
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The greatest hurdle to Gender Equality as a concept is that is has been attempted in a structurally inequal society and there was not and is not enough societal awareness of just how culturally opposed we are to the kind of values and priorities that could actually make this work. For systems to change and for those changes to last, they have to be a reflection of a working majority of people (Not everyone, just enough to keep it all going) and what's been allowed to grow in the United States is…
/r/PurplePillDebate17/10/25 02:54 AM
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Nobody is making or even wanting men to do the "ask-out-as-many-randoms-as-i-can, constantly-pursue-women-who-don't-pursue-me-back" strategy. You just broke down the entire way that you make them do exactly that. It's like there's a hole in the roof during a storm and you've just decided it's not your problem but you're really pissed about all the people coming in and out of the room with buckets to try and contain the problem. Just because you're not invested in a process doesn't change the nee…
/r/PurplePillDebate17/10/25 02:29 AM
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Despair is also a possibility, depression, anxiety.
/r/PurplePillDebate16/10/25 12:47 AM
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I don't think they're dumb, I think they genuinely don't understand morals or what their worth is. It's something they look at, good or bad, and go "So?" I have a hard time wrapping my own mind around a worldview that makes no moral considerations at all, but that seems to be the baseline for a lot of people. Saying you should date good people is like saying you should date people who can blow big bubbles with bubblegum. It's a nonsequitur to what they're enticed by.
/r/PurplePillDebate16/10/25 12:33 AM
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Nah... or at least, I wouldn't be doing what I imagine you mean by this. I've got lots of female friends, it's very easy to not walk in their footsteps. So easy, that I have a hard time understanding why they do any of it. They’d “whore around”, exactly the way they hate now because they’re men, not women. Nah, I'd be even more disgusted with it than I am now. I have a man's libido and I behave, what's their excuse? If they were a woman, they’d pull the AF/BB thing if they could. I would not use…
/r/PurplePillDebate16/10/25 12:14 AM
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“dealing with this on a regular basis would turn me into a sour and bitter shell of myself” red 🔴 flags. Do you think that's the only outcome of dealing with red flags on a regular basis?
/r/PurplePillDebate15/10/25 11:12 PM
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Therapy is usually a bad for for overthinkers of most kinds. Incels are ground zero for intellectualizing problems.
/r/PurplePillDebate14/10/25 11:39 PM
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A person who just knows throws off the balance. It can be offputting to be that person and get none of it back. I envy the socially blind men sometimes, they're a lot more equipped to be in relationships with women. They don't tend to have that kind of empathetic curiosity for men even if they expect or desire it themselves.
/r/PurplePillDebate14/10/25 10:23 AM
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The exemption obviously is if we have a prior agreement Another part of emotional intelligence is remembering that you have a prior agreement and holding yourself to it. Some people will agree to things, not like how it feels to do them and renege on their word and take out their frustration at it on the person they had once agreed to.
/r/PurplePillDebate14/10/25 10:09 AM
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What's hard to read about it?
/r/PurplePillDebate14/10/25 10:03 AM
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$61K in the deep south is good money.
/r/PurplePillDebate14/10/25 09:56 AM
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I wish more women understood that mistreating someone because they're a man was a bad thing. It's real simple, but many do not pass muster. Misandry is like air these days
/r/PurplePillDebate13/10/25 10:03 AM
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Yeah, dude is gross as hell.
/r/PurplePillDebate13/10/25 09:58 AM
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"If you don't want to have to sex with me, you must be gay" is a very common attitude that men have been encountering with women for the longest. Women attacking men for having boundaries is what he's talking about.
/r/PurplePillDebate13/10/25 09:56 AM
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It's a thing you'd like to do with someone who'd like to do it with you. I thought that was everyone's definition of sex.
/r/PurplePillDebate13/10/25 01:08 AM
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Yeah, cause the sex with a hooker isn't "sex". (It's also just distasteful)
/r/PurplePillDebate13/10/25 12:41 AM
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How long is awhile?
/r/PurplePillDebate13/10/25 12:31 AM
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My dicks bigger, I fuck better. And honestly, I think I'm on the prettier side of whatever men the women I've been with have had sex with. My insecurities lie elsewhere, sex itself isn't the thing that makes me feel judged or like I don't stack up. It's the things that lead to sex, more for me.
/r/PurplePillDebate13/10/25 12:14 AM
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I'm confused at what you mean.
/r/PurplePillDebate13/10/25 12:12 AM
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It's how they feel. It's sacred or cheap depending on their mood. Consistency isn't a concern for most nowadays.
/r/PurplePillDebate13/10/25 12:03 AM
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It's odd how many of you see no connection at all.
/r/PurplePillDebate12/10/25 11:42 PM
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Avoiding romantic interest isn't shunning it's respecting a boundary, making a rule not to interact with an entire category of person is shunning. Not conflating the two isn't complicated unless you think men only exist to be romantic interests that you either accept or deny.
/r/PurplePillDebate12/10/25 11:01 AM
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Avoiding is not neutral. It's a form of shunning.
/r/PurplePillDebate12/10/25 10:37 AM
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This isn't a gotcha. Out of respect for the feelings of anyone who's going through something, I won't be saying my full thoughts. But there are deep differences in how male victimhood is perceived that impact how conversations around it can form. Women have a lot more room to talk openly and candidly about their experiences. And more importantly, there's very little ambiguity in the support that women have on the topic. Either people don't care and make excuses for the abusers, it's very straigh…
/r/PurplePillDebate11/10/25 05:01 PM
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I'm not talking about what is normatively correct, whether they have a right to it or not is irrelevant to fixing the problem. This is not about what's okay and what's not okay, it's about what people are incentivized to do. You then coming in to shoplift aka lying might get you what you want, but eventually all of the stores will become wary of shoplifters, and they will all start to close down. For those who must steal to have, this is not a deterrent, they were never going to have access hone…
/r/PurplePillDebate11/10/25 04:50 PM
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-Harassment, vaguely threatening behavior. -Harassing, blatantly disrespecting clear boundaries. -Harassing, socially ignorant, annoying. I don't think those things are okay. I'm talking about unwanted attention, not unwanted attention that is also harassment. There's a distinction between these things which cross multiple boundaries, most of which are stated/basic decency (not rubbing your crotch in front of strangers is about as basic as wearing clothes) and just not wanting a man to talk to y…
/r/PurplePillDebate11/10/25 04:39 PM
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Gay women helping gay men in an intra-community crisis is not a generalizable phenomena. I rarely if ever see circumcision discussed on here as a genuine problem by men and when it is, the focus is on using it as evidence that men are owed pity and hand holding, rather than a genuine effort or petition to ban the practice. Policing how other people engage with their own issues is real classy. Men do not have free reign to speak about what affects them most, and this is not a safe place for men t…
/r/PurplePillDebate11/10/25 02:40 PM
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Yes, but many of the men here aren't even from your country, whatever it is, let alone voted the way you assume they did.
/r/PurplePillDebate11/10/25 02:27 PM
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I understand it completely. You're the one that doesn't understand what I'm saying. Would it be fair of her to say “it’s always up to men to choose! I’m doing exactly what that woman over there is doing! Date me!” No. It wouldn’t. It's not about dating. It's about holding people morally culpable for approaching reasons they cannot know. You can consent or not consent all day long, but if you start acting like people have committed a crime because of something only you can know about, only you ca…
/r/PurplePillDebate11/10/25 02:10 PM
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Maybe it's the threads we choose to read. Maybe it's the posters we choose to take serious. I don't read anything a poster with red or black pill in their flair says without a lot of salt, or not at all. So to me it's like all men here think of boil down to mating and sex and literally nothing else. How can we talk about anything with men like these? I would suggest that you didn't, and speak to the ones who don't. Speak to the ones that you can find some common cause with, who aren't insulting …
/r/PurplePillDebate11/10/25 10:32 AM
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Forgive me, but my experience here is that no matter how detailed or comprehensive my point is, there's always some woman to come along and say "we just don't want to fuck you, it's not that deep." I'm fighting the urge to be hyperbolic in my examples. All I can say is this. But almost any time all men here want to talk about is sex. Sex. Sex. Sex. So what? Most of the women here are having all the sex they want to have, the men here don't know them, there is simply no threat or possibility of i…
/r/PurplePillDebate11/10/25 10:21 AM
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The men here don't know you, and most of them I'm sure haven't tried to fuck you. Nevermind if trying to have sex with someone is a "wrong".
/r/PurplePillDebate11/10/25 09:27 AM
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Common sense doesn't score points with the girlies. It's telling that the men say "No, because it's been tried and doesn't work." and the women say "No, and you're pathetic for wanting it. PS. I'm not going to fuck you." I think one is more good faith than the other, but it's still an impasse.
/r/PurplePillDebate11/10/25 08:48 AM
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Yeah, this is kind of a problem with treating gender relations like we're all fighting our grandparents battles (at least after a certain age range). The field is different and young men have very different relationships to their female peers than older generations. You can play the game of unilateral concession in the 1960s and 70s, one sided empathy, because the disparities are large enough and the social impact of prejudices against women are self-evident, it's part of daily life and you can'…
/r/PurplePillDebate11/10/25 08:46 AM
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who sexualize women whether it makes sense in the given context or not. This is circular logic when what "makes sense" is itself decided by women in the moment. There is no standard by which men can abide, it's just aggregate contextual opinion. This is expecting men to read minds and abide by cultural expectations of a culture they're not a part of. Men aren't women and cannot be reasonably expected to know what women feel is and isn't appropriate. So this just comes off as you (general you) wa…
/r/PurplePillDebate11/10/25 08:32 AM
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So if men need to lie and manipulate to get sex from women, then women can lie and manipulate to get what they want from men, right? These conversations will make a lot more sense if you first recognize and internalize that women already do whatever the negative hypothetical reciprocation you think of is. Men do not lie to women by default. We start earnest and honest, and then we see how women react to it. They punish it, they shout it down, they ridicule it, they dismiss it, take it for grante…
/r/PurplePillDebate11/10/25 08:20 AM
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Life is tough, stop blaming the rest and play the game like the rest of us. You're not playing the game, that's his point. Men have to play a game, you get to fill your time and your head with whatever makes you most comfortable. And that is the difference of experience. You cannot see just how liberated you are from every thing you're speaking about. You're not a man. And nobody's going to treat you like one. Any conversation with you about dating or relationships is like having a trust fund ki…
/r/PurplePillDebate11/10/25 08:13 AM
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What behavioral science has ever led to the conclusion that human beings are rational? Men and women both evolved psychological adaptations for long-term bonding, mutual investment, and partner choice. It’s cooperation, empathy and trust that improves reproductive success This presupposes as a baseline, a wholistically healthy individual whose psychology, social position, desires, result in consistently prosocial and self-beneficial behavior. This is same level of idealism that they shove into e…
/r/PurplePillDebate11/10/25 08:06 AM
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Are you sure you're a grandpa?
/r/PurplePillDebate11/10/25 02:05 AM
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Real life is more complicated, but I've never met a woman who was willing make spending on me the norm. A gift? A treat? A sweet thing to do show they care? One off situations? It happens. But if they have to pay for everything then they're not going to include you in their life. They might wait for you to get your own money, but they're not invested enough to make sure you're financially secure over time.
/r/PurplePillDebate10/10/25 08:44 PM
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God's been ghosting mankind for a while.
/r/PurplePillDebate10/10/25 01:08 PM
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When women make more, they still want more. Women do not seek out wealthy men simply as a survival tactic. It's a reflection of their values and desires. There's only a contradiction if you think that women's attraction to wealth is a rational choice that will change when their circumstances do. Being with an independent woman is basically guaranteed to avoid beta buxxing - if she doesn't need you to provide for her financially, she's definitely with you because she actually desires you and enjo…
/r/PurplePillDebate10/10/25 12:54 PM
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Part of the problem is that ambivalence to other people's situation that you're talking about right there. It is deeply unacceptable for men to have the attitude you have, toward women. And that in of itself is a source of tension. Men being expected to take on burdens that women can't even be asked to consider or think about for curiosity's sake. There's a deep imbalance of care and consideration that, on its own, is the source of a lot of resentment and bitterness. And that's before you even g…
/r/PurplePillDebate10/10/25 11:43 AM
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Older men and each other
/r/PurplePillDebate10/10/25 11:31 AM
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Part of what makes dating so unrelentingly ruthless is the cultural reproduction of values and attitudes which celebrate all the impulses that make dating dysfunctional. We have a culture that inculcates women with values that push them to exacerbate the situation: be more hypocritical, be more judgmental, be more dismissive, be more unavailable, more prejudiced (being a misandrist is normal among young women), more demanding... The cultural values that women are raised with a tailor-made to mak…
/r/PurplePillDebate10/10/25 11:25 AM
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Men were more able to shrug it off because it doesn't hit as close to home since they don't fear this as much. I don't know what it would take for women to break down this conceit that men are somehow unaffected by society. Nearly all of men's social fears are fears of objectification. And usually by women.
/r/PurplePillDebate10/10/25 11:09 AM
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When progressives shut down parallel criticism, they don’t look principled — they look afraid of symmetry. Accountability is a necessary part of coexistence with other people, and the way it's been fought and demonized so thoroughly is having civilizational consequences.
/r/PurplePillDebate10/10/25 10:59 AM
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Since when did women pretend to care?
/r/PurplePillDebate09/10/25 01:02 PM
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I'm fucking with this
/r/PurplePillDebate09/10/25 12:40 PM
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And what does that mean in your relationship?
/r/PurplePillDebate09/10/25 12:33 PM
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Maintaining the Agenda is the highest priority.
/r/PurplePillDebate09/10/25 12:20 PM
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Agreed. These conversations, cultural trends, etc. they're not headed anywhere good. But, I feel that the only thing that can be done is to try and steer things in a practical direction while washing my hands of the rest of it. We cannot control people, and they will not control themselves. The only thing left is for things to come to a head since no one is actually interested in moving forward and building toward a shared future. They either have to burn out and learn better, or we have to outl…
/r/PurplePillDebate09/10/25 01:18 AM
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This is some Shapiro tier boundary stepping.
/r/PurplePillDebate08/10/25 11:39 PM
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The narcissism cannot be defeated
/r/PurplePillDebate08/10/25 11:38 PM
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I think both can be true, the wealth and finances aren't a priority, but a man that's asked to objectively look at the relationship can usually tell that they're pulling someone up rather than getting pulled up themselves.
/r/PurplePillDebate08/10/25 12:10 PM
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Nah, sis. It really ain't like that. For some kinds of people that's the only way they get to that position, but most get to where they are through a mixture of nepotism, good impressions, and social support. And even then, there's a luck component because you have to fight/manage to avoid a lot of common prejudices just to break even on your effort.
/r/PurplePillDebate08/10/25 12:07 PM
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Just to piggyback off of this, I think the ways men and women see this is because women are arguing from a place of ideals and men are arguing from a place of logistics. Men are thinking about what things will be like and what it will take to make it work. Women are thinking about what's in alignment with their values, the norms they expect to be followed, etc. And those two things will clash because reality doesn't care what you think is right if it doesn't work. A relationship that doesn't hav…
/r/PurplePillDebate08/10/25 12:01 PM
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Could you not?
/r/PurplePillDebate08/10/25 11:56 AM
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far less likely to be okay with being in the provider role. Not just that, but status games in general. A lot of women take a lot of stock in the titles they have, their educational level, their incomes. There's not as much of an egalitarian impulse as there is with a lot of men (not every man, of course). Shameless classism is a problem that many men are going to deal with if they date those higher performing women because many of them feel that they are essentially better people for having wha…
/r/PurplePillDebate08/10/25 11:54 AM
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Right back at you, women make blind assumptions about men all the time, and don't care a lick about being wrong. I base my opinions and claims on things women have told me, things I've seen in real life. What's your source on how men are treated?
/r/PurplePillDebate08/10/25 11:34 AM
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Nah, social validation is a very small part of why I want a relationship. It's nice for other people to know that I'm capable of having an attractive partner, but their opinion doesn't matter to me that much to make lifestyle choices on that alone. Closeness is the point of a physical relationship. If your friends don't want physical relationships with men then they are not attracted to them. They need to introspect if that's how they feel about men's bodies.
/r/PurplePillDebate06/10/25 02:12 PM
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Dude... I think you're living in a very rational space and it's blinding you to how messy cultural politics in the United States are. Just cause it wouldn't make sense doesn't mean it wouldn't/doesn't happen. Especially with really young people.
/r/PurplePillDebate06/10/25 09:01 AM
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I'm aware. Louise Perry is one of the few ones that I think has something worth saying. Hoe Math is a white supremacist, and he doesn't have good educational credentials. A lot of what he says is wishy-washy. He's just good at making it funny by using cartoons, but there is very little wisdom in what he says. You do understand that none of these things get in the way of him getting traction? America loves a pseudo-intellectual.
/r/PurplePillDebate06/10/25 08:19 AM
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In your community, is the operative word. There's nothing with it in an environment where everyone is largely on the same page. The broader dating pool is much more of a free for all and it gets people hurt when their values aren't a match for the people around them, or even for themselves (there's peer pressure to be more sexual than is individually comfortable, in some contexts).
/r/PurplePillDebate05/10/25 11:04 PM
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I said nothing like that...
/r/PurplePillDebate05/10/25 06:31 PM
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But somehow threatening to take away womens rights wouldn't We're living in that, it's not a hypothetical. Nobody's fighting in a real way. And for there to be people willing to fight, there needs to be people on your side willing to fight. Most of those people are on the side that's taking the right away. This is not a hypothetical conversation on our side. When women start joining gun clubs en masse and forming militias, we can talk about that. Cause the people who are taking your rights away …
/r/PurplePillDebate05/10/25 05:43 PM
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encouraging other women to criticize women for treating men poorly - you certainly wrote a long post without saying anything about it. Treating men in ways that radicalize them is how I relate those thing to the right wing narratives getting pushed. There has never been something like what I'm desiring among women. I just used the old scolding women as an example of a kind of role that could be played by other women in a different way nowadays. Nobody needs to be shamed for having sex, but there…
/r/PurplePillDebate05/10/25 05:28 PM
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What in the goddamn
/r/PurplePillDebate05/10/25 05:20 PM
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stem nerds Oh I'm so sorry. They usually prefer consensus or avoid being friends with people they don’t share values with. I don’t really spend time being friends with women who hate men or who are cutthroat or mean. And honestly, shunning itself is one of the more common ways women control each others’ behavior. I'm aware, it's a bad habit. It locks them into feedback loops. The more they disagree, the less they engage, the less they engage the less they have to care. The less they care, the mo…
/r/PurplePillDebate05/10/25 05:17 PM
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Do you think I'm a conservative?
/r/PurplePillDebate05/10/25 04:53 PM
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Reality is that crazy people with enough power don't need to be world class popular to start changing that reality for other people who are more normal than they are.
/r/PurplePillDebate05/10/25 04:22 PM
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I meant Hoe Math as an example of things that have shown growth in recent times, Chris Williamson is closer to what I would call popular. And it doesn't matter what's actually popular when what happens in our countries are decided by minorities of people with a lot of power. I think it's more likely that the Young Republicans who are going to be making laws in the up and coming years will have seen these people rather Taylor Swift. It's not about numbers, it's about who makes up the numbers. The…
/r/PurplePillDebate05/10/25 04:21 PM
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Saying you misunderstand me isn't an insult.
/r/PurplePillDebate05/10/25 04:05 PM
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How does women controlling other women’s sexual behavior make men’s standards higher? That's not what I said? I'm confused how you go that. The idea isn't about control, it's moral considerations. I would like it if more women just pushed back on being casually cruel to men if they see it in their friend groups. The idea that you would consider cruelty to men as something to avoid is something that would raise the standards on women's behavior, not men's. There are already standards for men. Man…
/r/PurplePillDebate05/10/25 04:04 PM
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Can you give some examples / cases where a woman’s sexual behavior is disrespectful towards a man (and the way they go about it that’s disrespectful)? Like I said, it's not the sex, it's the attitudes around the sex. You don't have to touch a man for any of this to be at play. But here's a short list: - Dating multiple people at once rather than back to back. It's your own business if you have sex with 5 people, but it becomes those 5 people's business if you're doing them all at the same time. …
/r/PurplePillDebate05/10/25 03:56 PM
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And look at how genuinely unappealing you seem to find me based on my willingness to push back on your opinions! Don't put words in my mouth. I get a kick out of this, arguments don't put me off. I like them. I promise you, men like you do not like women who push back and argue. You're digging in the wrong spot. So again, would you actually want to date someone who is way bitchier than me? I know at least one, and I've given it a thought. But I would hope that they'd relax a bit if they were hap…
/r/PurplePillDebate05/10/25 03:20 PM
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You've got to work on that reading comprehension.
/r/PurplePillDebate05/10/25 03:04 PM
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Very true, but that doesn't change that they're part of life.
/r/PurplePillDebate05/10/25 03:03 PM
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Why would I answer a question that wasn't posed to me, you asked the red pill guy.
/r/PurplePillDebate05/10/25 03:02 PM
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It's not my way, it's the way I've seen other people go about their relationships. Maybe you live in very toxic culture? I do live in America. Or do you just think that any attempt of chatting up someone is inherently boundary crossing? Of course not. Most people are very approachable if they are not busy Approachable and romantically approachable are not the same things. And that's not a general truth. That depends on where you are as well. Not everyone lives in a high-trust environment.
/r/PurplePillDebate05/10/25 03:02 PM
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To put it in perspective, Hoe Math has 784k followers on youtube. It's not the subscribers that you should worry about, it's the views and how consistent they are. How many people are watching that Nu Metal band's old videos on a regular basis? Taylor Swift is in a different bracket entirely, she's not really benchmark. That's like comparing a random chart topping singer to Michael Jackson and saying that they're not actually popular because they're not like Mike. Taylor Swift in a planetary nam…
/r/PurplePillDebate05/10/25 02:59 PM
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I mean, it'd certainly smooth some things out. We're where we are because men listened to women. Having it go both ways isn't much of an ask.
/r/PurplePillDebate05/10/25 02:56 PM
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We're here because men already gave up plenty. That's what I mean by being unreflective and self-unaware. You don't even know when you've won.
/r/PurplePillDebate05/10/25 02:55 PM
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Accountability means understanding their actions have consequences for other people that they are responsible for. This is not a hard concept or a dog whistle.
/r/PurplePillDebate05/10/25 02:53 PM
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No, I talked about the things I notice getting attention nowadays and how they're reflected in political trends that are dangerous for women. Those are issues that are held against women and used to justify suppressing them and controlling their behavior. So just to double check, you don’t think these sexual behaviors of women are disrespectful to men right? Depends on how they go about them. The sex itself isn't really the problem on its own. I don’t see what that has to do with the original po…
/r/PurplePillDebate05/10/25 02:52 PM
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I very much agree. There's this thing called gender equality that most men of my generation were raised on. We're pretty open to regulating our own behavior for women's benefit. It's the girls who aren't on the same page.
/r/PurplePillDebate05/10/25 02:43 PM
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I don't think you understand right wing politics if you expect it to be proportionate. There is an irrational element of our society and it is dangerous, and part of what feeds it is this laissez faire approach to gender relations. There's nothing that women do that actually justifies the Handsmaid's Tale style backlash that some on the right are yearning for. All I'm saying is that women lose support that they need to protect their rights by doing things that lose them collective sympathy, coll…
/r/PurplePillDebate05/10/25 02:40 PM
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What’s your basis for believing that? Seen it. Like, I have very rarely seen a relationship between a woman and a man that started because the guy was a pleasant person. between a respectful attractive guy and a boundary-violating attractive guy Boring always loses out. And respect is boring to women. They may appreciate it intellectually or in a partner they're already with that shows they have those traits over time, but in the moment? When they have no prior connection? They go for the sponta…
/r/PurplePillDebate05/10/25 02:30 PM
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I think a substantial amount of men had to go through the motions of doing so to be in a position to be in a relationship. Making a move without a greenlight is the only way a relationship can start if a woman doesn't believe in being forward with her own intentions. And that's very common. Many women say explicitly that if they have tell a man they like him, that it's a turn off and he's not good enough for them. Deniability games attract people who gamble on whether your disinterest is genuine…
/r/PurplePillDebate05/10/25 02:27 PM
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will absolutely sabotage my chances in dating? What role you play for your female friends will not impact your dating life. Hell, if a guy sees that you're conscientious, it might give you some points. Thoughtful women aren't a turn off. And you don't have to be a frigid caricature to do that. Do you get that there is absolutely no value for any individual women in sacrificing their future to do this awful bitch job? I think you're taking me too literally. Women need something like that but that…
/r/PurplePillDebate05/10/25 02:23 PM
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I'd like to think that there's a right way to say it that I just don't know how to do.
/r/PurplePillDebate05/10/25 02:13 PM
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If we burn the world down we burn the world down. I don’t think we should be limiting personal freedoms. That nihilism is why people who are more rooted in the world and want to maintain will oppose ideas like yours. It's a recipe for species suicide. I’m of the mind of give me liberty or give me death, I’d rather die than go back to a time when I wouldn’t be free. Because small limitations on personal freedoms isn't slavery. You can be free and still subject to rules. Society cannot survive as …
/r/PurplePillDebate05/10/25 02:03 PM
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What kind of non sequitur is this?
/r/PurplePillDebate05/10/25 02:00 PM
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What right wingers want is for women to barefoot in the kitchen with no vote, no right, and no voice. I just think we shouldn't be giving girls a pass for treating their male peers as they please. Partially because having standards for how people treat each other is the right thing to do, partially because it creates a lot of those right wingers who do not give a damn about you.
/r/PurplePillDebate05/10/25 02:00 PM
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People that don't respect their boundaries, is a common one.
/r/PurplePillDebate05/10/25 01:57 PM
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I don't think it's accurate to say right-wing content is very popular, it's viewed. I think there's difference between someone like Tate and semi-respectable podcasters who have interviewed presidential candidates (just for an example). Like, there are difference and I agree with you that many of them don't have followings as big as they seem. But if someone has content that's regularly viewed millions of people of varied walks of life, there's something there.
/r/PurplePillDebate05/10/25 01:53 PM
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Ahhhh, now I get what you meant. That was more being descriptive of a lifestyle and what I meant by the term. I don't like it, but I think there are ways to do it that just aren't my business. What sexual behavior of women is disrespecting men? Because it's not strictly about sexual behavior, it's things outside of it, things that lead up to it but aren't themselves sexual. Like, the kneejerk hostility that many women have to even to the concept of men is a lot more of what I'm bothered by than …
/r/PurplePillDebate05/10/25 01:49 PM
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Men have long mocked and disdained the bitchy church-lady types. Don’t kid yourself— nobody likes these awful pissy women. I'm aware. But I think their role in the maintenance of social attitudes has been underappreciated. There's a lot of people who cannot self-regulate their behavior and attitudes without an external source of direction, and I'm starting to think that those kinds of women were what women used to have for that function. In the same way that it's often expected of older men to d…
/r/PurplePillDebate05/10/25 01:27 PM
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Oh okay, you're just going to repeat yourself without responding to what I said. Alright.
/r/PurplePillDebate05/10/25 01:17 PM
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What I'm saying is, the social function of a moderating influence is needed. That doesn't mean that we have to keep the negative attitudes that come with it. Nobody has to be mistreated for someone to say "maybe don't do that, it might not go well." Edit: I saw that I had a reply but it's not showing on the thread. It said something like, "How does ""maybe don't do that, it might not go well."" look in terms of promiscuity" and I have to say that promiscuity isn't my focus it's just a very acces…
/r/PurplePillDebate05/10/25 01:16 PM
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If men being treated badly and disrespected is the problem, just say that. I did. But it's kind of hard to make that point if you cannot talk about the aspects of life where that disrespect manifests. But why are you talking about body count and being promiscuous? I'm not. You're taking it that way.
/r/PurplePillDebate05/10/25 01:13 PM
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I'm not going to engage the mate value parts of your question, I think that's missing the point. But I will respond to the monogamy question. the question of whether widescale monogamy requires not just physical constraint to sexuality, psychological suppression. How people treat each other cannot be surrendered to base instinct. We will literally eat each other alive. It's not psychological suppression to have rules for how we treat other, it's the most basic function that our psychology has. M…
/r/PurplePillDebate05/10/25 01:08 PM
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I'd rather women listen to themselves than not listen to me, I don't really care how the message gets through so long as the right wing backlash stops getting fed.
/r/PurplePillDebate05/10/25 12:47 PM
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No, it's not about doing what men want. Women and men need to be able to engage with one another in ways that don't feed general negative attitudes toward one another. I just think that those negative attitudes manifest specifically in sex negative attitudes because that's the most intellectually accessible way to look at things for most people. Most people aren't thinking about this deeply enough to write an essay about it, they're just tired of getting ghosted, cheated on, taken for granted, e…
/r/PurplePillDebate05/10/25 12:45 PM
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People largely don't care about what others are doing as long as it doesn't affect them directly. Most women have to engage with men on some level, and if the social baggage from other parts of those men's lives come into their interactions uninvolved women, they're going to be affected. If you don't think all this gender war stuff might result in a woman who's done nothing wrong catching heat for what some other woman has done then you don't know people. Just for example, how many of these chro…
/r/PurplePillDebate05/10/25 12:32 PM
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I have a couple pet theories on why it's bad, but that's one of them. But it's specifically dangerous because of what women are attracted to in men, not because dating men is inherently dangerous. (There's risks in everything, but most men aren't going to physically hurt a woman period) In the same way that men at least to try to tell each other not to date unstable women because it's dangerous for us, there should be cultural space for women to tell other women similar things because there's en…
/r/PurplePillDebate05/10/25 12:28 PM
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Why would they? Consideration for each other, consideration for what the general affect of unregulated behavior has on other women. Reaction doesn't discriminate among those that it's directed at. Women who have nothing to do with the behaviors criticized will get the baggage that those behaviors create, and they have a vested interest in maintaining a distinction for themselves, if nothing else.
/r/PurplePillDebate05/10/25 12:09 PM
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I think there's a substantial difference between a man criticizing women because they want them to be more manageable and a woman criticizing women because they want to be more safe (among other things). Intention and effect are what makes the difference. And I don't think you have to call anyone a whore to do either of those things, I just used it as an example because that's usually how women take anything that that suggests that they should have some sexual limits. It's automatically consider…
/r/PurplePillDebate05/10/25 12:06 PM
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There is nothing that Nietzsche wrote that had women as the intended subject.
/r/PurplePillDebate05/10/25 10:51 AM
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I remember the last thing I did the day that they started closing the schools was ask one of my classmates out to get something to eat. That was the last date I went on for like a year and a half. And I did it precisely because I knew it would probably be a long time before I was going to have a chance to do that again. Now that I'm on the other side of that first pandemic (knock on wood) I can't say that was a bad call to make. The next few years were almost as isolated as I thought they'd be.
/r/PurplePillDebate05/10/25 03:06 AM
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Nah, I'd settle for them not rewarding antisocial men. I'd rather women have standards than for them to blindly fuck "the right people". I don't need things to be perfect, but some progress would be appreciated.
/r/PurplePillDebate05/10/25 01:14 AM
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Being harsher to people about their mistakes only affects those who care, the ones who don't won't listen. The point of being harsher on women is to create a culture where even those that don't care have to pay lip service to some kind of general ideal of behavior. Whether it's a reflection of their personal values or not. The problem that men face is that women create loopholes to the standards of behavior that men are held to, that exist to keep them safer than they otherwise would be, so they…
/r/PurplePillDebate04/10/25 02:13 PM
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Of course I do. And those high standards are for controlled environments like schools and churches. And jobs half the time. Interpersonal interactions are not where women are pressured to behave. Especially not with people they don't know well.
/r/PurplePillDebate04/10/25 07:35 AM
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The solution is and will always be to get the girls to a place where they don't repeat these cycles. We give women too much space in our culture to act on instinct without judging them for it. And we don't incentivize them to learn lessons the easy way. We raise girls to be very unintrospective, reckless, and uninhibited. So when they make predictable messes, we throw up our hands and say "what's there to do?" We wouldn't be having this talk if more women just...made slightly more emotionally in…
/r/PurplePillDebate04/10/25 01:02 AM
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I think, the worst part for men, the ones who are too empathetic, who do everything they can to not make women feel unsafe or uncomfortable, is seeing the men who don't give a shit about women get their pick of the litter I have seen men I know for a concrete fact that I am better than in every single way get a chance with women that don't even look in my direction, and then cheat on them with someone else. Dirtbags often prosper. And I think the hardest thing to get young guys to do is to keep …
/r/PurplePillDebate04/10/25 12:43 AM
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Because I have a crazy feeling that's what some of your ideas of "empathy" boil down to. I was drawn to this thread because I suspected that it was another "Interesting/arguable title, crazy body paragraphs" and I was right. There's a point to be made about men becoming emotionally overextended on account of "Women", not any particular woman but just women in general. And you can see that in how many young men talk about not even feeling comfortable approaching a woman in the first place. They d…
/r/PurplePillDebate03/10/25 10:01 PM
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You're slightly misunderstanding me, when I say respect read it as "recognize" or "understand as". But I got you.
/r/PurplePillDebate02/10/25 07:48 PM
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Condoms don't stop herpes.
/r/PurplePillDebate02/10/25 07:07 PM
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Decisions like this are gonna have your dick falling off.
/r/PurplePillDebate02/10/25 07:02 PM
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He's making a qualifying argument because women often turn confidence into a metaphysical thing. As if being unconfident was a reflection of your character. His argument is that it's a reflection of circumstances, circumstances that women often do not respect as the source of "confidence".
/r/PurplePillDebate02/10/25 06:57 PM
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the outliers. There's a special kind of pessimism that comes from this. Cause you know for a fact that you'd be fine if you were just around more people like yourself. It makes the whole process of finding a partners feel especially arbitrary.
/r/PurplePillDebate02/10/25 06:50 PM
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Agreed, I can live an unsatisfying life with number 1 if I'm forced into it. But otherwise, they both sound awful to be with.
/r/PurplePillDebate02/10/25 06:38 PM
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Neither. Why would I choose to be neglected in either way? And specifically toward the second woman, I'm not engaging in no strings attached sex for my health, it doesn't matter how pretty she is. I'm not catching anything she's carrying and that's just fine with me.
/r/PurplePillDebate02/10/25 06:37 PM
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I agree, but I will push back on the idea of the tradeoffs not being women's fault. It's like giving gamblers a pass for their addictions. You can be empathetic and understanding without being permissive. No one should hate women for it. But of the issues with modern dating that come from women, they are reflections of vices that are common among them (indecisiveness, indulgence, low tolerance for practical discomfort, an expectation to be catered to, etc.). And that's on them. They have no ince…
/r/PurplePillDebate01/10/25 07:26 PM
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It'd have to be tried first before we start saying what is and isn't possible
/r/PurplePillDebate01/10/25 07:13 PM
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Big, if true
/r/PurplePillDebate01/10/25 12:22 AM
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Women aren't always that straightforward. Interest has very little to do with whether they will respond positively because a lot of women are anxiety-ridden and they won't just go with the flow. And they also hedge and hesitate. Not everyone is old and mature enough to simply reciprocate if approached by someone they like. You have no idea just how much of a mess young women can be when it comes to how they engage with men. They will do things that do not make sense, repeatedly, and still be "in…
/r/PurplePillDebate30/09/25 11:52 AM
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She made a claim about it sounding like how men would write women. There's no gaslighting here. All I've said is that she's off the mark about what real women say. I took her at face value, and based on what she said, I challenged her claim.
/r/PurplePillDebate29/09/25 03:36 PM
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The humans I find in real life have lots of colorful ways to describe men. You might just be around nice people.
/r/PurplePillDebate29/09/25 02:49 PM
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What women are you around?
/r/PurplePillDebate29/09/25 02:28 PM
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You've lost track of the times, sir.
/r/PurplePillDebate29/09/25 02:08 PM
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Since when?
/r/PurplePillDebate29/09/25 12:26 PM
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On second thought, I don't think that was a fair question. Because either way I can flip it to some version of "What makes you think you're capable of giving an unbiased take on men's motivations?" Because a no means a lack of experience and a yes means baggage. Have you ever dated a man that you enjoyed being with and around? That's a better question. Cause what I'm trying to get at here is if you, a lesbian, have never had an enjoyable experience of male sexuality you're not going to have a ve…
/r/PurplePillDebate29/09/25 11:36 AM
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How can you sleep w someone you aren’t attracted to? I think it's less about not being attracted to them and more about not being attracted to them as much as you'd like, either because you don't know them well enough yet or because they look good enough but only just so.
/r/PurplePillDebate29/09/25 02:23 AM
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Have you ever dated a man?
/r/PurplePillDebate29/09/25 02:09 AM
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They engage with language euphemistically. They assume subtext as a given, and the subtext they assume is going to be a reflection of their biases. They think men just want to fuck, and their curiosity into men's internal lives doesn't go much further than that.
/r/PurplePillDebate29/09/25 01:54 AM
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Mhm. The way they teach it in school, they make Capitalism a synonym for trade, commerce, and having stuff.
/r/PurplePillDebate29/09/25 01:05 AM
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The roots of capitalism dates back to the rise of the agricultural era, which began about 10,000 years ago. I cannot endorse this point, it's a propagandistic idea that's circulated about capitalism in order to naturalize it, as if we've all been plucky entrepreneurs and consumers since the stone age. I've seen this pushed around for years, they even teach it in high school economics courses. Capitalism is more definable than just resource hoarding, it's a particular kind of economic mode that a…
/r/PurplePillDebate28/09/25 09:08 PM
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Not feeling appreciated is a pretty basic one. Feeling overworked. Feeling undesired. Unless a man is getting cheated on, it's very easy to tell them to suck it up and stop complaining.
/r/PurplePillDebate26/09/25 08:49 PM
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Not picking up women in your youth will also make it harder. The longer you spend without commitment the harder it will be to fit your life around it. However you spend your time, you're going to pick up baggage.
/r/PurplePillDebate26/09/25 02:35 PM
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You do understand that joking about it and actually believing it, are two different things? Irony is a gateway to conviction as far as prejudices go. It's why so many people get radicalized by memes. Things start as jokes until they're...not.
/r/PurplePillDebate26/09/25 02:21 PM
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There is female targeted porn industry, it's called romantic literature
/r/PurplePillDebate26/09/25 12:25 AM
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Hear hear. because we treat each other so poorly, romantic/sexual/relationship bonds are less valuable than they used to be. Especially this. Relationships require trust and mutuality and both of those are steadily becoming extinct.
/r/PurplePillDebate25/09/25 02:05 PM
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we live in a time where if any party has even slightly more power over the other they'll abuse it. I do not agree with that most men are looking for "building something with reciprocity". I think that reciprocity also involves a willingness to commit to the person, which most men no matter their attractiveness do not seem to want. You might want to extend some of your own understanding of how you feel to those men. Because if you're feeling burnt out and wary of others, I can guarantee you that …
/r/PurplePillDebate25/09/25 01:20 PM
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I don't think it's as easy to quantify as some like to make it out to be. Mostly because part of the invisible labor is a subjective burden. If I pull 50 metaphorical pounds and you pull 5, but I'm not complaining and you are, the discrepancy between those two isn't something you can measure. I think women are validated in many kinds subjective difficulties in life, some of which are unfair, some of which are basic requirements of being alive. There's a very wide range. Conversely, it's hard to …
/r/PurplePillDebate25/09/25 04:04 AM
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Can you people go one breath without complaining about Muslims?
/r/PurplePillDebate24/09/25 02:40 PM
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Exactly, I think left-ish people buy into too many myths about how rebellious the youth are. Most people are on track with where their parents are, and even to the degree that they're different it's rare to find people that are a complete 180 from their folks. If anything, it's a sign of social dislocation if someone has very different views from their family. It shows that you're disconnected from the people most around you. And you know what happens to people who aren't connecting with others?…
/r/PurplePillDebate24/09/25 02:38 PM
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I dmed you about this before the thread was made. Weird timing
/r/PurplePillDebate23/09/25 07:14 PM
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Ironic that you should say that.
/r/PurplePillDebate23/09/25 06:22 PM
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The general idea that is that the work that men do subsidizes and makes the work that women do possible. That idea is a bit half-cooked, but there is a discrepancy in the overall utility of the kinds of jobs women tend to do and the kinds of jobs that some men tend to do. We'll live without the office jobs and cubicles. We won't live well without the nurses. That's the women. The oil keeps the cars running though, the freight keeps food on the shelves, etc. Most people period aren't aren't doing…
/r/PurplePillDebate22/09/25 05:15 PM
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It's not a threat. They are simply telling you what their motivations are. You cannot argue with what other people want.
/r/PurplePillDebate22/09/25 05:01 PM
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All you're saying is "yeah it hurts but I don't TELL anyone it hurts" which... means you agree it hurts. You just seem to think bottling up the pain and never talking about it is something people should admire. It's not something to be admired. It's just how it is. Most women aren't going to make the space for those kinds of conversations. And those who hurt others aren't going to be accountable for how they treat other people. t's not a double standard if you apply the same principle to everyon…
/r/PurplePillDebate22/09/25 04:54 PM
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You misunderstand me, I don't think it's okay, but handwringing over men setting boundaries does not sit well with me. It's a double standard. We are expected to be more conscientious, more thoughtful, more respectful than what we can reasonably expect from others. And I will not be part of it. I think that men should never treat someone the way you're speaking about. But I'm not going to act as if it's some kind of breach of norms. It is normal. It's just not acceptable when men do it. If you’v…
/r/PurplePillDebate22/09/25 04:34 PM
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I think this is an empathy issue- It is an empathy issue. Because if a woman wants to cut someone off for any reason, we don't sit around talking about why that was wrong of them. We respect that women can do whatever they please with their time and their company, yet we do not accept that level of agency from men. You expect a man to show up to a relationship no matter how dissatisfied he is with it. And beyond the hypocrisy of it, it's just not sustainable. So it stands to reason that they’d b…
/r/PurplePillDebate22/09/25 04:19 PM
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I'm not arguing. I'm adding on to the thought. It's very common in these kinds of conversations for women to put forth the idea that you said, and then just end it there. It's repeated more like it's rote than an idea that can be further investigated.
/r/PurplePillDebate22/09/25 04:02 PM
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Wanting to be more than friends isn't a betrayal. Getting distance from someone that you no longer want to be around isn't a betrayal either.
/r/PurplePillDebate22/09/25 03:54 PM
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I'd send you a gift basket if I could. Sanest words I have ever read on this subject.
/r/PurplePillDebate22/09/25 03:50 PM
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How many of those people are still together and still doing all that? It's a rhetorical question, I don't expect you to have kept tabs on all those people. But the things that young college students get up to, in a space where they're largely unsupervised and figuring out their limits and boundaries are not the same thing as what's going to last throughout their adult lives. It might have been fun for a time, but the time will pass. What they do when life isn't on campus, they've got jobs and ar…
/r/PurplePillDebate22/09/25 03:41 PM
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But, and I cannot stress this enough: patriarchy hurts men. This is kind of a no shit moment. Another no shit? A lot of women also uphold the patriarchy And until they stop, men will be stuck, and the backsliding of social progress on gender issues will be inevitable.
/r/PurplePillDebate22/09/25 03:38 PM
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but nobody even thinks to reprimand the guys involved That's all anyone does, what are you talking about. "She needs help and those guys are disgusting" is the near unanimous opinion.
/r/PurplePillDebate22/09/25 11:14 AM
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Men want a good life, that looks like many things, but most definitions do include women.
/r/PurplePillDebate21/09/25 12:04 PM
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People tend to make up their minds without data And they make up those minds based on their experiences. We'd be having the same conversations even if OkCupid never existed. People are responding to a condition in which they live.
/r/PurplePillDebate18/09/25 11:00 PM
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I find it very odd that some men view casual sex as the ultimate compliment and being a husband as an insult Why? It's been explained very clearly and repeatedly why they feel like that.
/r/PurplePillDebate18/09/25 09:48 AM
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Talking to a literal sociopath.
/r/PurplePillDebate18/09/25 12:47 AM
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You’ll have more money, See, that's the thing. I think a core assumption is that many women will not be cooperative partners. Your money our money, her money her money and all that.
/r/PurplePillDebate18/09/25 12:43 AM
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Prime of choice.
/r/PurplePillDebate17/09/25 10:12 PM
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People look for catharsis in self-defeating ways. It's not a surprise to me that men who want more from women would come to a place where the women are even less receptive than they would normally be. This is a very hostile place, and it works well as a tool for killing/poisoning your feelings toward the opposite sex. Most men are never completely given up, they just understand that their time is limited and that they can only put so much energy into women before it stops making any sense. But t…
/r/PurplePillDebate17/09/25 08:45 PM
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Fair
/r/PurplePillDebate17/09/25 08:39 PM
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The secondary question would be if the person who feels that they're settling is grounded enough to feel dissatisfied for sensible reasons. Some people are not mature enough to appreciate a good relationship. Some people are genuinely hurting themselves by staying in one. And they both might feel that "the relationship is off". It's hard to account for that X-factor of how personal taste interacts with the reality of a relationship. if I found myself trying to talk myself into attraction or bein…
/r/PurplePillDebate17/09/25 08:25 PM
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Well, it shouldn't be hard for you to find a man with opinions. Just hard to find one with opinions you can stomach.
/r/PurplePillDebate14/09/25 11:49 PM
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Lol, in my dreams
/r/PurplePillDebate14/09/25 11:29 PM
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Dating is supposed to be fun and there’s nothing fun about politics. Not unless you're a freak like me anyway.
/r/PurplePillDebate14/09/25 11:01 PM
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but sometimes I just wish I was gay. Most times I just wish the lesbians were straight. Or at least the tomboyish ones.
/r/PurplePillDebate14/09/25 08:16 PM
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And sadly, we live in a world that suffers people being in that position. If it was up to me, the lifestyle of the rich would be a strange thought experiment that no one took seriously.
/r/PurplePillDebate14/09/25 08:14 PM
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It's an extreme example but it is also real.
/r/PurplePillDebate14/09/25 06:42 PM
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And learn what type likes them well.
/r/PurplePillDebate14/09/25 10:34 AM
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yet plenty do Listing all of the overwhelmingly common reasons for why relationships either end or never start is not the defense you think it is. 1/10 not embodying a stereotype become a justification for the very same stereotype as they prove the rule. . It’s not that women can’t handle equality, it’s that some men can’t handle not being on top With all due respect, this is projection. Women aren't interested in men unless they're on top. And women do not pursue any kind of equality that doesn…
/r/PurplePillDebate14/09/25 04:04 AM
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Most men are not going out with women uglier than them. Depends on who's doing the judging.
/r/PurplePillDebate14/09/25 03:58 AM
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I'll pray for your health, Cleopatra To Bast, of course.
/r/PurplePillDebate13/09/25 01:52 AM
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It's very easy to hurt people when you don't see them as people. Not people is a what most men are to most women.
/r/PurplePillDebate13/09/25 01:30 AM
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Lol, that too. If only they didn't brainwash us, they'd be perfect.
/r/PurplePillDebate13/09/25 01:29 AM
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The cats are cute though...
/r/PurplePillDebate13/09/25 01:19 AM
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It's not the solution, but a conversation needs to be had. It's just that culturally we're not really in the intellectual shape to do much more than shout at each other. There aren't many organic spaces to have the kinds of talks that would actually help things.
/r/PurplePillDebate13/09/25 12:40 AM
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There's a difference between saying that men are getting off to women that are basically perfect, and saying they like pretty women. Of course men are watching porn of attractive people. I just don't think the bar is as high as you're making it out to be.
/r/PurplePillDebate13/09/25 12:38 AM
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Yeah, the women here tend to oversimplify male sexuality because they can't stand to look at it directly long enough to really learn about it. They think it's just about sex. It's more complicated. And there's not that many women who can actually deliver the complicated picture. And it doesn't help that the forever alone types think they're desperate enough to take anything and say as much online.
/r/PurplePillDebate13/09/25 12:32 AM
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Toxoplasmosis is a scourge of our modern day.
/r/PurplePillDebate13/09/25 12:22 AM
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You don't know who these men are jerking off to. Respectfully, speaking. There's a lot of porn out there. And it's not all focused on 11/10 perfect women. Most of it isn't. Amateur porn is made by normal people and ... it varies as much in the attractiveness as normal people do. And the amount of people watching it is way higher than you'd think.
/r/PurplePillDebate13/09/25 12:10 AM
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food stamps The effects of right wing brainwashing on the brain needs to be studied, thoroughly.
/r/PurplePillDebate12/09/25 08:54 PM
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Being good to you is not the same as being a good person.
/r/PurplePillDebate12/09/25 05:35 PM
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I agree completely. I think most of the gender war is society's pro-capitalist values catching up to it, the exalting of wealth and privilege, the fetishizing of it. It's sustainable in a culture where the average man can at least afford to show off every once in a while. But we're heading into a Depression. Lots of people getting laid off, replaced, phased out. And it's especially hitting young men because they're the most vulnerable group to the social costs of these changes. A broke man is se…
/r/PurplePillDebate10/09/25 09:39 PM
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Empathy for women is a necessity for every long term relationship that isn't built on threats. Keeping a woman happy is all that modern relationships are. And to keep someone happy, you have to learn and care about what they like, what they think, what they value. You have to be a source of emotional comfort. You have to anticipate their moods, you have to give grace when they lash out and restrain yourself when you feel like doing it yourself. The degree of emotional discipline and empathy that…
/r/PurplePillDebate10/09/25 12:43 PM
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I'm not the dude you asked the question to here. At least I don't think I am. The comment threads are kind of messy.
/r/PurplePillDebate10/09/25 12:37 PM
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It would be more worthwhile than half of the posts made here, for one.
/r/PurplePillDebate10/09/25 12:35 PM
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This thousand years of oppression myth has got to end. Most of humanity has been oppressed for as long as civilization has existed. It's not unique to women. Men weren't running around having a big party for 10,000 years. Up until very recently most of mankind have been slaves, serfs, and peasants. Without a single right to their names. Your view of men is colored more by your prejudice than actual history.
/r/PurplePillDebate10/09/25 12:34 PM
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Pity may kill desire, but pity is not the result of understanding it's a symptom of a lack of it. If a woman actually understood what men are going through, pity's not going to be the emotion that comes with that. Pity is a dehumanizing feeling. The biggest problem with women isn't a lack of desire. It's the ignorance and dehumanization. I would rather have a thousand women just get it, than have 10 that understood nothing that wanted to have sex with me. It's really not as much of a priority as…
/r/PurplePillDebate10/09/25 03:59 AM
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They go on to talk about how they will get fit, make money, and have 18 year olds on their arms. But this is just creating a cycle isn’t it? There's a reason why they say "enjoy the decline". Their worldview is founded in an excuse to abandon any general moral concerns or social responsibility and to pursue whatever pleases them. And to be fair, fixing this isn't something that men are very empowered to do. So, being principled in a situation they don't control would be pretty masochistic of the…
/r/PurplePillDebate09/09/25 11:35 PM
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If you're part of a society, you are entitled to a place in it. I'm not talking about just dating. I mean who you will tolerate giving the time of day to, how willing you are to make small talk, letting sit next to you on a bus, little things. The acquaintances you're willing to let become your friends. Women enforcing an informal gender segregation among themselves is socially corrosive.
/r/PurplePillDebate08/09/25 01:41 AM
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Both, which makes for a very volatile situation. And women have got to stop acting like shunning and demonizing the opposite sex is a morally neutral act. Leaving people alone, en masse, is not a harmless act, it's just passive. Convincing themselves that they've done no harm just because their hands are clean is how women often kill people. Drive them mad, to suicide, to self-destruction, and watch from a distance. It's emotional poison and it's obviously driving people nuts. We're a social spe…
/r/PurplePillDebate08/09/25 01:27 AM
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These posts sound insane to most people that don't interact with redpill/blackpill/incel content.I think this subreddit is honestly scary sometimes, seeing all these terms, "chads, hypergamy,Alpha beta, biological clock,dating market" etc.. seems insane. You're mixing some fairly mainstream terms with very niche ones. But on the whole I do agree that the language used here is very dehumanizing. I think the main issue with generalizing and using caricatures of the opposite gender you're attracted…
/r/PurplePillDebate08/09/25 01:24 AM
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Why shouldn't we expect that this would translate to increasingly warm feelings from women as a group towards men as a group with each successive generation? The greatest mistake in dealing with women is expecting positive feelings for positive actions. Doesn't matter how well you treat a woman if the narrative that she has around the kindness and consideration doesn't match. They've been raised and socialized to see men as enemies at worst and the butt of jokes at best, very little room in thei…
/r/PurplePillDebate08/09/25 12:56 AM
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Look, you're right about the advice at the end, men shouldn't center women as much as they do. BUT they do, and it is to women's benefit. You don't want a world where men actually don't care what you think. If men were as apathetic to women as women are to men...it wouldn't be good. And as to your dating life improving when you stopped people pleasing: You did better because you're a woman, sis. And part of what comes with womanhood is a social reign to be selfish without repercussions. You can …
/r/PurplePillDebate07/09/25 11:21 PM
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It's less that they have to be perfect from the start, and more that they are not interested in changing for other people's sake in the first place. It's not a priority. Men and how they feel about them aren't a priority. And that creates frictional when what women feel is front and center of what most men are thinking about in dating. Men are expected to grow at their own expense for the sake of women, even other men at times. Not just in romance either, but especially. I don't want a hot cheer…
/r/PurplePillDebate07/09/25 11:01 PM
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That's a very bleak interpretation of A Song of Ice and Fire
/r/PurplePillDebate07/09/25 04:43 PM
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I don't get this narrative at all. What's not to get? So assuming that she would've rejected him because other women did in the past is crazy mental gymnastics. It's not mental gymnastics, most women are very samey when it comes to relationships and romance. They follow broadly similar beats in terms of priorities and "preferences" over time. If you're talking to a normal woman, it makes sense to assume she's had a normal trajectory in life. And if what you find out about her from her fits that,…
/r/PurplePillDebate07/09/25 02:51 PM
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I think mood impacts how we view our significant others more than we realize. I'm aware, and I agree. And not just significant others, but also people we're not dating, strangers, acquaintances, friends. Which leads into some other theories I have about why women are becoming less attracted to men, but I'll leave that alone.
/r/PurplePillDebate07/09/25 12:09 AM
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You're really not helping your case
/r/PurplePillDebate05/09/25 11:54 PM
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There are many ways in which women and men talk past one another because language is a flawed representation of the ideas people have in their head. One thing I notice with women is that they tend to engage with language like it's a collection of euphemisms, there's an assumption of subtext, the emotional connotations around a word are often more meaningful than the words themselves. And the differences in how "preference" is used is a very good example of how men are often using descriptive lan…
/r/PurplePillDebate05/09/25 11:00 PM
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I could be in a sexless relationship with a rich woman where there is a strong mutual curiosity, love, understanding, trust, and compatibility. Basically I'd have to have a soul mate where there's no normal everyday stress to worry about. Sex is about intimacy, but it also about relieving stress, finding comfort in another that you can't find in other parts of life. It's the rest from the work of living. So, I can't be in a sexless relationship if I otherwise have the same load to carry in life.…
/r/PurplePillDebate05/09/25 08:58 PM
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Do we mean the average man who is finding it harder to find dates. Or do we mean the community that cannot be named on this sub? I do not understand the need to question this, but obviously the former. Nobody is litigating whether men who are forming hate groups against women should get a pass. What's being litigated is everyone else who deals with the same problems and backlash without having done anything to deserve it. Except for being male, single, and convenient to target. What kind of judg…
/r/PurplePillDebate05/09/25 01:42 PM
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But then you also mention antagonizing. Judgement, dismissal, scapegoating, discrimination are all antagonistic. What harmful hateful notions are women holding onto That one's attractiveness is a sign of their value as a person. Whether in theory or in fact, that idea drives a lot of the animosity and it produces most of the hypocrisy within it as well. Women need to find better values and morals through which to interpret the world. Because most are still seeing the world through a view which m…
/r/PurplePillDebate05/09/25 01:33 PM
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You mean women begin dating ppl they don’t want to be with? Anytime I see this, I assume bad faith. This is usually said to dismiss men in these conversations. It's very rare that anyone actually proposes this. This just seems hostile to me as a reply, despite my lack of hostility towards you. My apologies if that's not how you meant it though. To answer your question, no it doesn't mean dating men they don't want. But it does mean adjusting their attitudes toward them. The endless judgment that…
/r/PurplePillDebate04/09/25 09:59 PM
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I mean getting rid of whatever this attitude you're giving me is
/r/PurplePillDebate04/09/25 05:43 PM
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where women’s fertility DID actually influence who they found to be attractive. More masculine men when ovulating, less masculine men when no That's one way to interpret fertility. Another way would be to focus on what the women's expressed goals are. Whether they want children in the first place. Ovulation is a state that's brought on by hormones, of course that effects their attraction. But how they perceive their own capacity to have children is more consistent than one stage in their menstru…
/r/PurplePillDebate04/09/25 12:32 PM
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Nah... you don't get to flip this after saying all that.
/r/PurplePillDebate04/09/25 12:27 PM
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Jesus man
/r/PurplePillDebate04/09/25 11:14 AM
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Reply to me when you're done, I want to know what you think.
/r/PurplePillDebate04/09/25 11:06 AM
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It's not working against them. It's proving their assumptions in front of an audience of millions of people. It's literally a woman making red pill mainstream.
/r/PurplePillDebate04/09/25 11:02 AM
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The mean of humanity is something that isn't very good for any of us. Certainly not good for women.
/r/PurplePillDebate04/09/25 10:55 AM
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No, but that's why it's necessary for women to meet men where they are. To work out the kinks of modern life instead of delegitimizing it. As we are currently, there are millions of people whose only stake in our current society is running water and electricity. Everything else is fair game and you can get them on board for very different mores and expectations, let alone practices, laws. It's not wise of the women and men involved in perpetuating our present day popular culture to do everything…
/r/PurplePillDebate04/09/25 10:42 AM
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(It’s funny how one of the detectives lamented that they didn’t focus much on the victim while investigating, while the rest of the show proceeds to ignore everything except for her tweets and how her friend feels.) Liberals often fail to see the difference between self-awareness and being proactive. They think acknowledging something is itself something to be praised for. Like, and I wouldn't want the show to be torture porn, the first episode could have been from the vitctim's perspective, saw…
/r/PurplePillDebate04/09/25 10:23 AM
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Organizing vast sections of society to demonize what are almost entirely isolated individuals is not having a bad attitude.
/r/PurplePillDebate04/09/25 03:28 AM
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Maybe so.
/r/PurplePillDebate03/09/25 11:06 PM
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Dude, I have friends.
/r/PurplePillDebate03/09/25 10:50 PM
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C word?
/r/PurplePillDebate03/09/25 10:40 PM
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I see your Bruce Springsteen and raise you a Violent Femmes and Chumbawumba New Radicals
/r/PurplePillDebate03/09/25 10:33 PM
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If "most" men are like this, then humanity is in trouble Most young men under 30 are close to the rabbit hole even if they haven't fell in. I didn't say that most of them are raging, school shooting, incels. But having girl problems? And not having anything nice to say about that? That's normal. That's a fact of life at this point. It's just not socially acceptable to talk about, or else you'll get lumped in with the murderers and rapists. She just said that they won't have kids. She said and I'…
/r/PurplePillDebate03/09/25 10:25 PM
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For what it's worth, if educated professional women continue to outcompete men economically and they try to date less affluent but emotionally available men, then I think those women would have a better shot at finding stepfathers.
/r/PurplePillDebate03/09/25 09:26 PM
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More often, sure. But your question was about it being less of a red flag. I don't think the stigma is going to go away, not if everything else about our society remains the same or gets worse overtime. There has to be a radically different economic situation for the stigma to soften. But yeah, more men are going to be willing to bite the bullet just out of lack of alternatives. But that's not going to be a big cultural shift. Just slightly more outliers because a desperate situation becomes mor…
/r/PurplePillDebate03/09/25 09:17 PM
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No. That's not generally how male desires for parenthood manifest. It's not just about having a kid. Men need a stake in and ownership over whatever they're involved in and we do not have a culture that leads men to having a personal investment in children that did not come from himself or being allowed to cultivate that stake and investment. The latter is understandable, but it's an obstacle that won't go away, because women generally do not want men that they just met to have full authority ov…
/r/PurplePillDebate03/09/25 09:09 PM
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"hating women is evergreen". This is more of a self-fulfilling prophecy than many women are ever going to know. Do you agree with Iliza Schlesinger's take on hateful undesirable saying that it's "natural selection"? No. There is nothing natural about anything that is happening now. And the vulgar social darwinism that's so attractive nowadays is itself a symptom of the unnatural nature of what has become of us. It's not fucking normal or natural for us to be calling for the culling of undesirabl…
/r/PurplePillDebate03/09/25 08:49 PM
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It's why most women don't like cold approaching ? We'd have to define what women consider cold approaching, but I follow your meaning. And why women don't accept dates from most men even under the expectations of a free dinner . Most women do still expect to be paid for, I don't know about this part. I think this is also a factor in y women don't c men's attention/desire for them as something valuable bc it comes with strings.(Expectation/pressure /hope for sex) I agree.
/r/PurplePillDebate03/09/25 10:10 AM
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That's kinda how humans in general work. I agree, but that's what I'm reflecting on. It's the degree of it that's disturbing to me; how radically different the priorities can be. There are women their same age swearing off men altogether, or they're having sex with dozens of people over the course of their university education, or a third thing, and a fourth. So many ways to go and the only thing different is what they're shamed for.
/r/PurplePillDebate03/09/25 12:35 AM
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ring by spring" culture It's always disturbing to me how modulated women are by their social context.
/r/PurplePillDebate02/09/25 11:40 PM
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Or... and hear me out on this one, maybe what's attractive to the women he's around isn't his personality. Maybe he's around normal women, maybe they're special. But given that that there is nothing obviously wrong with this man, it stands to reason that the women around him are normal enough too.
/r/PurplePillDebate02/09/25 11:38 PM
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Another nominee one for the interesting title, but crazy post awards
/r/PurplePillDebate02/09/25 10:45 PM
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I am a man and I date women. What rich men feel about poor men isn't going to be on my mind in a dating conversation.
/r/PurplePillDebate02/09/25 04:35 PM
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I didn't need to know that sub existed, I want compensation.
/r/PurplePillDebate02/09/25 04:34 PM
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Many women do. Maybe talk to them about the concept, I'm sure they'd have lots to tell you. Askwomennocensor is right there.
/r/PurplePillDebate02/09/25 11:33 AM
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True, but even broke men do that sometimes. So that doesn't tell me as much.
/r/PurplePillDebate02/09/25 11:22 AM
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No, these are women with money. They don't want poor men around.
/r/PurplePillDebate02/09/25 11:02 AM
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But I disagree that attractive women think men just do things for them because the world is a good place or they’re so amazing that they deserve good treatment. There's a reason I called it a polite lie. I'm sure that most who do this understand that it's not that simple or true, I'm just saying that I doubt it's at the forefront of their minds. It's a self-delusion, it only works if you don't fight it. But I'm not a woman, and while I've been privy to a lot of thoughts and feelings on this, I k…
/r/PurplePillDebate02/09/25 10:58 AM
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Why would women advocate for this? Because those particular women have what they want out of life and don't think the poors deserve to have access to it.
/r/PurplePillDebate02/09/25 10:48 AM
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They're usually more of the "Keep the broke men away from me and my riches" type. I don't think they care much what happens to poor women.
/r/PurplePillDebate02/09/25 10:47 AM
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Do you want a class-based dating system? Many on this sub have explicitly advocated for this. The poor should date each other or not date at all is a common enough opinion from the women here. This is a lowkey very bougie sub.
/r/PurplePillDebate02/09/25 10:22 AM
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Yeah, this is what I meant by "pretty doesn't think about logistics". Women want things to be seamless, and the more thinking they're doing, the worse the situation must be. They're looking for an experience, not to collect details.
/r/PurplePillDebate01/09/25 09:03 PM
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Ditto
/r/PurplePillDebate01/09/25 09:00 PM
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why don’t women understand Their relationship with cause and effect is different than men's tends to be. Attractive women live in a world where things just happen without their direct input. Good things, bad things, a lot of things, and the more visible they are the more things happen. Their presence is itself a catalyst for other people to act. And it's been like that since many of them were children. They come of age in a world that can at times be more dynamic than themselves. And I'm startin…
/r/PurplePillDebate01/09/25 08:54 PM
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Or do they simply create even more vitriol? One would ask if that's not the point. If communicating was the point, they'd probably care about being listened to more than than they do.
/r/PurplePillDebate01/09/25 12:31 PM
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We gotta get more comfortable judging people for doing bad things. We try to philosophize such simple things and moral relativism just results in anarchic attitudes where no one is to blame for anything.
/r/PurplePillDebate01/09/25 12:26 PM
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openly ace women is too small to draw conclusions There aren't a lot of openly ace people at all, so maybe it's best to put impressions on a curve. I know two. And they've been at least much less toxic than the women that who have active sex lives. They're still not super comfortable with sex, but it's a generalized attitude that isn't strictly directed at men. And the consistency there is much easier to work with. So I generally think most women I'll interact with do fit specific narratives pro…
/r/PurplePillDebate01/09/25 12:20 PM
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For once, an interesting post that isn't nuts. I applaud OP.
/r/PurplePillDebate01/09/25 12:06 PM
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Yes, and to the degree there are contradictions between the two they aren't going to be centered because they're aligned on the practical side of things; attacking men who complain. I don't think the normative arguments really have that much to say about what women go through because most would acknowledge their struggles. But because they're not solution oriented in any situation, there's no need in their mind to explore the idea, accepting the "truth" is enough. So long as it's the social trut…
/r/PurplePillDebate01/09/25 12:04 PM
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pushing for balance and shared responsibility. With what leverage could this be achieved? That's kind of the kicker with gender relations, the other gender has to at least tentatively give you the space to move beyond the old expectations. Feminism didn’t make men into livestock, men did, by clinging to old roles where being a provider is the only proof of manhood Men do not cling to these things because they make them feel like a man, they cling to them because they're their only hope of being …
/r/PurplePillDebate01/09/25 12:12 AM
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Ustase madness
/r/PurplePillDebate31/08/25 02:51 PM
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What's the difference then?
/r/PurplePillDebate31/08/25 01:11 PM
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Are you unempathetic if you aren’t aware of /supporting these issues? Most of them, yes. Not caring about war and poverty are pretty cut-and-dry reflections of a person's values and outlook on other people. Not all issues are created equal and some simply are important. No discussion necessary. My point isn’t ’unless you engage with every social issue you can’t advocate for your own issues’ it’s more- be aware that your issue is not the only issue, every criticism you make of women’s lack of emp…
/r/PurplePillDebate31/08/25 12:25 PM
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Do you even know what you want the future to look like for men? If anything is clear from these conversations, "what men want" isn't very high on anyone's priorities but the individual's themselves.
/r/PurplePillDebate31/08/25 11:54 AM
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Virtually no women go from "not attracted" to "attracted" just because some other woman was interested in him. I acknowledge the possibility of a moderate impact on attractiveness for some women if they're otherwise neutral This is what they mean by women rephrasing their points back to them, unchanged, just with different words. Not attracted and neutral are the same things. It just feels more "fair" to say neutral, I'm guessing. I'm not entirely sure what distinction you're seeing here.
/r/PurplePillDebate31/08/25 11:38 AM
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So why are men’s dating issues the only one everyone woman should actively know/support etc? It's not the only one. But it's so simple to understand and it's so general that it should be the easiest to talk about. It's not like an oil pipeline that only goes through a couple states that barely gets reported on in the news. The barrier to entry on the issue is very low. It's the lowest hanging fruit, and if people can't even talk about that what foundation is there for anything deeper. I don't ex…
/r/PurplePillDebate31/08/25 11:21 AM
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why do men so likely to be ok with buying women It's like you said, it's about likely outcomes. Finding a woman that can't be bought in some form, isn't very likely. Most women expect to be won over. It's very rare that a woman likes a man just because, usually there's something more to it, some kind of narrative, something extra impressive. And what impresses women usually isn't free. There's investment of time, gifts, resources, of some kind to it.
/r/PurplePillDebate31/08/25 05:37 AM
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It's part of it yeah. Speaking as a Gen Z, who knows more than my fair share of women, they dabble. But no, I don't think it's enough to blame it all on bisexuals and lesbians. Hell, most of the bisexual women I know still end up with men: either because their nerves can't handle taking initiative, they've had unpleasant experiences with women (some kind of emotional instability, could be clingy, could be a narc, could be rapey), or they just stick to what their used to even if they still find t…
/r/PurplePillDebate31/08/25 12:51 AM
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It's like windshield wipers. They all have their part of the glass they cover, they usually overlap a bit, but they also have parts of the glass they just never touch. I agree that it's not the same 20%, but it's still significantly narrow.
/r/PurplePillDebate30/08/25 06:39 PM
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No pets?
/r/PurplePillDebate30/08/25 11:14 AM
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u/MidoriEgg This is kind of what I was talking about with the empathy comment on the other thread.
/r/PurplePillDebate30/08/25 10:14 AM
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Ideals can change.
/r/PurplePillDebate30/08/25 10:13 AM
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A bit, not entirely but a bit. Some people are looking for what they don't give, sure. But lots of men get to this place because they realize that the amount of care that they have for women, their issues, their struggles, their day-to-day difficulties, all of it is very one-sided. PPD is a very right wing sub, lots of libertarian-esque, social darwinists in here. So I understand what you're saying here. But there are male feminists/egalitarians/whatever you want to call them who become critical…
/r/PurplePillDebate30/08/25 09:33 AM
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but I think restricting access to medical abortions creates higher incentive It's accurate that you say higher and not just high, women are plenty incentivized at every level to hold men responsible for their children. The option is always there even if the women don't use it. The only reason to not want that are principles. Abortion, no abortion, there's no getting around the sheer convenience of being able to lay claim to another person's resources. That's why wills exist, and it's why executi…
/r/PurplePillDebate30/08/25 01:17 AM
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Are you in the Budapest area? Do you have military training or relevant experience in advanced telecommunications and/or data centers? I can fake my father's identity and poach his military credentials. I can bullshit my way through the rest. (Sadly, no, but it makes sense that's how you've got that kind of money)
/r/PurplePillDebate29/08/25 10:41 PM
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$5k per year to men's specific organizations. Can you give me a job?
/r/PurplePillDebate29/08/25 10:11 PM
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Expect? No. Should. Yes. Resigning to the degradation of society is an accelerant to it.
/r/PurplePillDebate29/08/25 10:11 PM
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Dig a bit? What digging have you done?
/r/PurplePillDebate29/08/25 09:46 PM
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Only 84? And here I thought Tinder was hopeless.
/r/PurplePillDebate29/08/25 07:56 PM
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OLD is typically a last resort for women. For a certain kind of woman, maybe. But how much do you think you're able to speak for women who just want easy dick? How much do you relate to that?
/r/PurplePillDebate29/08/25 07:46 PM
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Some people are stuck, convinced or whatever. But it's women too, and to be frank I don't think the proportion of people who are brainwashed into this is any better with them either. (I'd wager it's worse, but there's not much to be gained from pointing fingers in the United States about this, this is braindead central. Almost nobody is in any place to fight this in a practical way, but the ideas... there's a lot to work on there.) And so long as they love a man with money we're all just a bit m…
/r/PurplePillDebate29/08/25 07:16 PM
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I taught a little five year old girl who was a refugee from Ukraine, her dad died fighting, Not just died, "murdered". We have a lot of cultural assumptions and rhetorical ticks that dance around the fact that war is a form of organized mass murder. The government took her father away and sent him off to get turned into lunchmeat. It's a very fucked up thing to do to a person. And the idea that it's anyone's duty should be considered obscene.
/r/PurplePillDebate29/08/25 10:21 AM
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Where they at? I'd love to meet one. Point me in their direction.
/r/PurplePillDebate29/08/25 10:15 AM
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However these “matured men” are the ones who demonise women who go for them once these women reach a certain level of maturity Because the hypocrisy of the situation can't be respected. No one is demonising these guys, in fact they’re in high demand once women reach that level of maturity. And therein lies the problem. Whenever something takes time with women, they expect to be waited on. Whenever something takes time with men, they get left behind until they get what other people want from them…
/r/PurplePillDebate29/08/25 12:04 AM
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This is a "Hitler was a vegetarian" tier argument.
/r/PurplePillDebate28/08/25 11:39 PM
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Just look at 18-29 on the Pew Poll
/r/PurplePillDebate28/08/25 10:55 PM
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Reality is that most people are getting dates and getting laid You've got a charmed idea of what reality is these days, but otherwise go off. A lot of men online can’t get a single date so they assume it’s equally hard for most men. Lol, it's not just online. There's no need to make assumptions, we've got statistics. Ignore what you want. Seems like a common habit around her, for whatever reason.
/r/PurplePillDebate28/08/25 08:59 PM
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There was a case of a tinder date who killed his female date and recorded most of the conversation they had before he killed her, and one of the things he said was “I’m a nice guy I don’t deserve any of this shit” You know, deranged crazy murderers tend to have odd ideas about themselves. It's interesting to me how many conversations on here start from a place, "But violent criminals though..." The most aberrant parts of the population are massive outliers. Like yeah, you're going to run into sc…
/r/PurplePillDebate28/08/25 08:13 PM
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Interesting... so it is possible.
/r/PurplePillDebate28/08/25 07:54 PM
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All I had to do to have a good life was be born in a subarctic paradise full of eugenically ensured beautiful people. It's my fault really.
/r/PurplePillDebate28/08/25 07:53 PM
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Your opinions have to be dismissed then, cause you've seen a cryptid. (It was passing curiosity, all the Swedes I've seen have been obscenely tall people)
/r/PurplePillDebate28/08/25 07:28 PM
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Small penis is superior Lol Don't "trust your gut." Your gut is stupid. All it knows is stereotypes from TV, be racist, flinch at ugliness, avoid outgroup I need you to expand on this. For entertainment if nothing else.
/r/PurplePillDebate28/08/25 07:26 PM
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Have you ever seen a short Swede?
/r/PurplePillDebate28/08/25 07:23 PM
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I feel like such a square whenever I read your comments.
/r/PurplePillDebate27/08/25 09:07 PM
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I'd be on the dating apps, but I'd have a swipe cap for myself. Once I match with 5 people, I'd talk to them to see if they were compatible with me, and if they weren't then I would move on the next five. I wouldn't have a platoon worth of men in my DMs. And if I somehow did end up with that many, I'd let them know that I have too many messages and unmatch. What hard skills (cooking, money management, teaching etc) would you prioritize? I have a hard time getting my head around this question. Ar…
/r/PurplePillDebate27/08/25 04:58 PM
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My experience has been more neutral. It's been rare that a woman liked me initially for personality reasons.
/r/PurplePillDebate27/08/25 01:20 AM
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Suppressed desires, even if not acted on directly, affect how people engage with others. And when it comes to women, what they demand and expect of men is one way that manifests. A woman who has an itch she isn't scratching is going to look for socially acceptable substitutes.
/r/PurplePillDebate26/08/25 08:31 PM
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I understand the visual appeal, but not the practice. The idea that it's just a thing people do when they're bored with their relationships should be more... examined? I guess that'd be the right word. People desensitizing themselves to intimacy and trying to twist it up should be a cause for concern. The idea that your partner in life is someone that you trust to beat/restrain you tastefully just seems a bit fucked up. Lots of kinks and paraphilias disturb me Are there any that don't?
/r/PurplePillDebate26/08/25 06:14 PM
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Me neither, all I can say is that I hope it's as uncommon as you say. But the fact that I can't actually know that for sure is disturbing to me. Edit: It seems that all can be known is whether it's socially acceptable or not.
/r/PurplePillDebate26/08/25 06:10 PM
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How exactly would accurate information on that be acquired? It's a kink that most semi-socialized people would suppress and not act on. Sexuality based statistics are at the mercy of self-reporting, and that would require women to not be ashamed of what they want. That's not even universal for "normal" sexual desires.
/r/PurplePillDebate26/08/25 05:53 PM
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We live in the most medicated population on the planet, conservative estimates of mental illness in the population are like 20%. Those women are part of the general dating pool. Even if no one should be talking to or dating them. Women like that are a fact of modern life.
/r/PurplePillDebate26/08/25 05:04 PM
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Why do you ignore the good ones? The best women I've known in my life have been gay, ace, and have spent most of their teens and twenties with the same person. The only women I've met that I thought were kind people and were interested in me were too young for me. I'm not gonna date a 19 year old. I know a lot of women do get ignored though. Is it that the shitty evil ones are hotter or something? If you've seen some of the women I've been with, you'd question my self-esteem. Women don't have to…
/r/PurplePillDebate26/08/25 12:50 AM
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stay away from alcohol on the first several dates. Can you expand on this one? never wager more than your willing to lose. I have a similar rule about lending/gifting. ask yourself what you would tell your son/daughter in this same situation? This idea helped me get some perspective the other day. (on some of my lady friends) avoid anyone who hides you. How do you feel about edge cases. Not hidden, but deprioritized?
/r/PurplePillDebate25/08/25 06:16 PM
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If men like you believe that have so little social power and are so socially impotent, then why don’t you ever have anything positive praise for all the vast beneficial contributions women must have made to society and civilization for all times? What are men like me?? I do! Women are what connects society, and they make up most of it. I don't use those "men built civilization" talking points because I don't believe that women have just sat around for 100,000 years as incubators with no opinions…
/r/PurplePillDebate25/08/25 05:49 PM
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Jesus, I sit down and tell my girls how to watch out for bad patterns etc. What kind of patterns?
/r/PurplePillDebate25/08/25 04:19 PM
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Thank you. I guess it sounds like I'm in favor of the things I'm describing?
/r/PurplePillDebate25/08/25 01:53 PM
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Your dad is from a different world. And I'm not trying to make assumptions about where you've been. Just recognizing that if you're far enough to run for office, you've crossed a threshold.
/r/PurplePillDebate25/08/25 11:09 AM
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Surely you agree employers should pick the best person for a job, why do you assume it’ll be a man over a women? I don't assume that men would be better. I just understand that women entering the professional workforce was something that had to be fought for. The only trade off, was men losing an automatic right over women, that’s literally it. That's what I said. You seem to be looking for some kind of subtext here. Laws, rights and freedoms are the foundation of a diplomatic society. Not all p…
/r/PurplePillDebate25/08/25 11:02 AM
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Shunning is a form of social violence. Nothing entitled about it. What's entitled is expecting people to not take an attack as an attack just because you don't see it that way. It's solipsistic.
/r/PurplePillDebate25/08/25 10:59 AM
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Well I applaud that. And that's a big part of what I meant by the difference between men of means and ordinary ones, and also by the power of social connections. I wish you all luck. And whenever you launch the campaign make sure to let people know so they can donate.
/r/PurplePillDebate25/08/25 10:57 AM
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Ohhhh, you're a Brit. That explains that bit of difference then.
/r/PurplePillDebate25/08/25 10:54 AM
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Ma'am, it's okay to attack people that hurt you. It's still an attack. You cannot gaslight yourself out of being part of a conflict just by not considering it conflict.
/r/PurplePillDebate25/08/25 10:52 AM
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They do that precisely because of a critique of men. Men and childrearing. I'm really not sure what the point of the mental gymnastics are here. You can't make the argument that women are defending themselves from misogyny but also that it has nothing to do with men. That's what 4B is literally about.
/r/PurplePillDebate25/08/25 10:43 AM
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Because of government and the legal system men are being morally stifled? More behaviorally than morally. I was lucky to be raised by a guy who doesn’t give a fuck about social graces and raised me to be willing to get in trouble for what I believe in, This is more of that "expecting men to martyr themselves for women's virtue" talk. Same as the women saying "Good men do good even when they're not rewarded". It's an entitlement to the work of other people. Deeply unempathetic as well. I'm not go…
/r/PurplePillDebate25/08/25 10:40 AM
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Your first comment also was an attempt at positing men as superior to women, when you wrote: "Women love people that hate what they hate. It's only a turn off when it's directed at them." were you not calling women hypocrites? No, I was contradicting what you said in the post, nothing more. People aligning with other people that share their prejudices/preferences/dislikes isn't hypocritical, it's normal. Aren't they supposed to draw a line in the sand, to forget women entirely and live without t…
/r/PurplePillDebate25/08/25 10:34 AM
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Not one single law. Not all things come from or are lost through laws. The labor market is very oversaturated and competitive. If a woman is in a high paid professional position, that is very literally a role a man lost out on from the advancement of women's education. I wouldn't say that the trade-off wasn't worth it to create a more balanced society, but it is a tradeoff. And it makes sense in a time of economic difficulty that women outperforming men would be a pain point. Just because it's c…
/r/PurplePillDebate25/08/25 10:25 AM
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civil rights movement Most of the leg work of the Civil Rights movement, the day to day organizing and preparations were handled by women. Men have led revolutions since the beginning of time. Men’s social power has brought us things like the American Revolution Men of means and influence are not the same as ordinary men. They have resources and reach, and most importantly the capacity to exact consequences. Revolutions are likewise complex social phenomena, that entail violence or the threat of…
/r/PurplePillDebate25/08/25 10:18 AM
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It feels like you’re coming at this issue as if there are two teams ‘men’ and ‘women’ I don't like it and I don't prefer it. But if all the women here are focused on directing their frustrations at men (of any kind) I'm not in any position to appeal to common values. Cause I'm a man and they're not going to hear it. No people are a hive mind, but they have their tendencies and they line up along them fairly consistently. Same as in real life. Who do you think works most in domestic violence serv…
/r/PurplePillDebate25/08/25 10:04 AM
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So much of this mess just comes down to women not wanting to be responsible for the incentives they create. They want a good safe world populated by good safe people so that they can have an exciting personal life with men who are everything they don't want outside of the bedroom. These women are ruled by their fetishes and they can't own up to their self-sabotage and make it men's fault that they expect women's actions to make sense.
/r/PurplePillDebate25/08/25 09:32 AM
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They literally do, all the damn time. There is nothing in this world that both seeks to survive but also refuses to adapt. This goes for institutions especially, rebranding, ideological pivots, moderation, compromises, they all employ these measures to get a leg up and maintain themselves. There is no purity, only what works.
/r/PurplePillDebate25/08/25 09:28 AM
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If caring about the people you're having sex with is paying a price, then your sex life is too dysfunctional to salvage.
/r/PurplePillDebate25/08/25 09:11 AM
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I think hatred is an inherently undesirable emotion and not just because it affects other people Nah. Women love people that hate what they hate. It's only a turn off when it's directed at them. They need women much more than women need men. Only emotionally. Only emotionally. There is no greater proof against male superiority than its need to constantly assert itself. Who is arguing for male superiority? This sounds like projection. There are no mass consumed narratives about the superiority of…
/r/PurplePillDebate25/08/25 08:54 AM
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The question shouldn't be on whether men still try regardless, the question should be why are men expected to do a job for women that the women themselves don't want done? Whether women see it this way or not, it becomes a "crying wolf" situation. Men are not going to mobilize on behalf of a victim that sabotages their own rescue. And that's what women on the whole look like after awhile. Women don't do enough to manage their own reputation on this. Too focused on judging the men they're with, n…
/r/PurplePillDebate25/08/25 08:40 AM
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What's to disagree with? Men who give a damn tend to cut men like that out of their lives very early on. The last time I knew a sketchy guy like that was High School, and that's pure proximity. Sex pests don't need male friends to prosper, they just want the company. It doesn't matter what we do if the women give them the time of day. And they give a lot more than that.
/r/PurplePillDebate25/08/25 08:11 AM
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I think the ways that some women have a rigid approach to different kinds of relationships and base how they treat you almost entirely on a title comes off as callous. At least it does to me. And even if it's not callous, it's very inorganic. I understand why they'd be like that with FWB in particular because it's a very messy kind of relationship to have no matter how you do it, but it does get in the way of possibilities. Sometimes people grow on each other. But yeah, reciprocity is key. There…
/r/PurplePillDebate25/08/25 12:34 AM
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Agreed. Very much agreed. Thank you for hearing me out.
/r/PurplePillDebate24/08/25 06:54 PM
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Fuck me for asking a question I guess? I was being very literal when I said that. The fact you were likely to be confused by the idea is kind of the whole point I'm making. I wasn't attacking you, sorry if it came off that way. That's not my intention, I kind of need women to listen to this cause they're the only ones who can address it in their own lives. It's a social power that men don't have. I see what you mean now, but I'm firmly in the belief that you aren't responsible for others' feelin…
/r/PurplePillDebate24/08/25 06:06 PM
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Most people who make good partners are usually long partnered up by then Only true for women. There's lots of leftover men and there's no telling what their romantic lives will look like.
/r/PurplePillDebate24/08/25 05:05 PM
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I don't get how being ambivalent toward men going after you is putting other people through something. This idea is what I mean by that. And "not getting it" is how it's maintained. It's one of those things where "You can't convince someone to think something that they're paid not to". The less moral responsibility women have over their effect on men, the more freedom they have to treat men as they please. The more distance women can have emotionally from men, the more leverage can be maintained…
/r/PurplePillDebate24/08/25 03:36 PM
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That's what I'm doing. I apologize.
/r/PurplePillDebate24/08/25 03:07 PM
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Well tell me why you think men don't listen to women but will listen to men.
/r/PurplePillDebate24/08/25 02:59 PM
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Are you listening to what I'm saying or just trying to fight? Cause I'm talking to you here.
/r/PurplePillDebate24/08/25 02:49 PM
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It is a fact that men listen to other men while ignore women, It's not. we women know that. You don't. Men and women listen to those that have leverage over them, people who have their respect. And men do not get automatic respect nor is the grounds for that respect universal. Women assume a lot of things about men that feel compelling to them but aren't actually the case. To be very honest, most of these men had to learn not to listen to women. It's not the default. They get into these spirals …
/r/PurplePillDebate24/08/25 02:42 PM
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So there is an issue that the "nice guys " clearly can't figure out on their own at all but they expect random everyday people to have the perfect answers for it? ' They expect women to represent their desires and actions accurately and clearly. You really think there is one magic truth and all people are just hiding it from you? So many people fail to communicate even a personal truth, that's it'd be premature to talk about a universal one. Most men when asking for advice are asking for the inp…
/r/PurplePillDebate24/08/25 02:07 PM
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Yes, but they have to be simple. This is a very broad social group and the only thing that holds it together is "not doing well" and "not lashing out over it". Most young men are some version of that now.
/r/PurplePillDebate24/08/25 01:53 PM
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The only thing I can agree with is, unfortunately, the title. The rest is... eh. Isn't it always
/r/PurplePillDebate24/08/25 09:35 AM
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Note: I'm taking "redpilling" as a term for being critical of women, not a specific set of ideals and assumptions. I don't think most young men are red-pillers. But they are souring on women and becoming more politically reactionary. Yeah, and that recent set of polling about men becoming less supportive of gender equality also supports this. Because they noticed the biggest dip in attitudes toward women among men with female friends, men who went on dates. It's very much an exposure-driven prej…
/r/PurplePillDebate24/08/25 09:02 AM
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Most people are not conscious enough to engage with their prejudices or biases towards young men and their very unique social position. Most of the problems that young men face on this front are kind of double bind because they rely on the very people that care the least about them to be addressed. More established or successful men don't want to be associated and they can show that either through hostility or indifference but they won't be dragged in unless they have themselves given up on wome…
/r/PurplePillDebate24/08/25 08:13 AM
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I don't know, that's her claim to back up.
/r/PurplePillDebate23/08/25 04:29 PM
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Lady, we're not even getting married for a first time.
/r/PurplePillDebate23/08/25 04:25 PM
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(aka, we’ve been “dating” for 2 years but I never asked her to be my girlfriend officially so… If that was common enough to be statistically relevant, we'd be living in a very different world.
/r/PurplePillDebate23/08/25 04:24 PM
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Nothing stingy about financial independence. Personally, I insist on splitting even if they are pretty. Because I don't like spoiled women. Edit: And also because I don't like feeding the idea that having things paid for is some kind of bribe or dividend that women get for being attractive. I've got pretty friends, they genuinely expect to get free shit when they go out. As much as I can, I try not to enable those attitudes when I get the chance.
/r/PurplePillDebate23/08/25 12:49 PM
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confuses and wastes the time of women who are looking for provider type men. For some reason, I'm just fine with that.
/r/PurplePillDebate23/08/25 12:41 PM
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66% of young men are single, to say nothing of how many that have dating lives that are sporadic or dissatisfying without being completely absent. Struggling in dating is the most normal thing they can do.
/r/PurplePillDebate23/08/25 12:37 PM
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Ah, I get what you're saying now. Just my two cents: I think we had a working model on how to address misogyny up until the 2010s. Attitudes toward gender equality were up, women's social performance was up across the board, gender norms were getting questioned and social attitudes were changing. But, cultural overreach, continued economic instability (which was bad enough after 2008), moral panics around predatory behavior*, and a culture of discriminatory promiscuity have all worn down the soc…
/r/PurplePillDebate23/08/25 09:46 AM
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What do you mean?
/r/PurplePillDebate23/08/25 09:20 AM
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Eagerness, coordination, consistency. Sometimes things can be nice without being good, sometimes things can be disappointing without being bad. It's a spectrum
/r/PurplePillDebate22/08/25 10:08 PM
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My sex life is more nuanced than that, but go off.
/r/PurplePillDebate22/08/25 09:50 PM
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What good does comparing two different people do? I don't think the assumption there is that women care much for what's good or practical. It's pure instinct and demand. They compare because they want what they had and they want it now even though the person they got it from is gone. So now you (person being compared) must either meet their demand or get judged for it.
/r/PurplePillDebate22/08/25 09:28 PM
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Because it's easier
/r/PurplePillDebate22/08/25 08:44 PM
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Misogyny long predates feminism or female resentment toward men. There is no way to date misogyny or misandry. Prejudices are as old as perception and preference. Likely older than humanity itself. Fear of males, fear of females, there are animals who are shy of the opposite sex or hostile. It's not something you can put a number to. And feminism =/= misandry. It's just that most modern feminists in the United States are at least fellow travelers with misandrists if not are themselves. Ruling me…
/r/PurplePillDebate22/08/25 07:49 PM
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I'm not laughing at your misfortune, but I am laughing at how you said it.
/r/PurplePillDebate22/08/25 06:34 PM
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I know I don't have a lot of good will with you, but I am genuinely asking. These aren't gotcha questions. Have you tried being with a woman? Like one that knows what she's doing?
/r/PurplePillDebate22/08/25 06:28 PM
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And what is it about women that doesn't work for you? If they're more attractive, it would be better if you liked them, and I'm guessing you get along with them better too, what's the rub?
/r/PurplePillDebate22/08/25 06:24 PM
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I think at some point, there's going to be a big bump (relative to where it is currently) in open male bisexuality as some of the chronically single men just give up on women.
/r/PurplePillDebate22/08/25 05:53 PM
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What's so sad about it?
/r/PurplePillDebate22/08/25 05:48 PM
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It's not just denial. There are trade-offs. As a bi guy, I'd have every incentive to only date women if I wanted to date women at all. Because women are repulsed by men that have been with other men.
/r/PurplePillDebate22/08/25 05:46 PM
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Well to address this question, many of those affluent, stable relationships with dual incomes are also childless by choice. So the differences that arise from pregnancy and children are irrelevant from jump.
/r/PurplePillDebate21/08/25 11:44 PM
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If you're using business speak to describe a relationship, that's a red flag on its own.
/r/PurplePillDebate21/08/25 11:38 PM
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What sub is more nuts than this one.
/r/PurplePillDebate21/08/25 10:56 PM
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Damn, and that's with marriage weight
/r/PurplePillDebate21/08/25 10:56 PM
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Yes.
/r/PurplePillDebate21/08/25 10:25 PM
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I don't know what it is about cause and effect that's confusing, but so many women here routinely get them backwards. No. Women don't have sex with enough men to know if they're good or not. You can't know what you have no experience with.
/r/PurplePillDebate21/08/25 09:44 PM
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You said if it was all about getting a nut Yeah, if it was all about women getting a nut, most men wouldn't be single. Women who prioritize sex have no issues running up the number. and i commented that you forgot about women I took this as a comment about women being single without female partners, hence "lesbians". I can't forget about women in a statement that's focused on what women want from their sex lives. Because it's not just about a nut with them, otherwise, there'd be more sex. Cause …
/r/PurplePillDebate21/08/25 09:37 PM
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I'm not surprised, and I'm past the point of trying to understand it. It just makes me depressed thinking about it. I'd rather not become a statistic and keep my peace.
/r/PurplePillDebate21/08/25 09:22 PM
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I'm aware. Filthy fuckers.
/r/PurplePillDebate21/08/25 09:21 PM
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It's not just having any man. Having a bad dad does its own kind of damage. Personally, I'm thankful that my dad wasn't around much. I don't think it would have done me much good, except maybe with finances, but even that I'm not sure. So I understand where you're coming from. I think I've grown more in his absence than I would have been allowed to if he was around. My answer was trying to explain why certain beliefs and assumptions exist around women without fathers. It's not true for everyone.…
/r/PurplePillDebate21/08/25 09:18 PM
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I have no clue what you meant by your question. Women don't give men enough chances to know if they satisfy them or not, that's my point. If it was about sex and finding people that were good at that, women wouldn't be so picky.
/r/PurplePillDebate21/08/25 09:03 PM
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Are most lesbians single?
/r/PurplePillDebate21/08/25 08:56 PM
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It shouldn't be hard to get a man to take STD test if you're talking to men that are trustworthy people who take your health seriously. Sounds like something that should be a given right? Because women worry about their safety in dating.
/r/PurplePillDebate21/08/25 08:49 PM
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If it was just about women getting a nut, most men wouldn't be single. Edited a word.
/r/PurplePillDebate21/08/25 08:47 PM
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The answer to this is to teach people more emotionally intelligent reasons to have children, not to swear off of it all.
/r/PurplePillDebate21/08/25 11:24 AM
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In a culture that actively spreads that idea to as many people as possible, that's not a sustainable attitude. That's my point. And the more people who think relationships and children are important, the better it is for society long term. That's my answer to your question about why party girls are a problem. Living only for pleasure and distractions and leaving nothing behind for other people is dangerous.
/r/PurplePillDebate21/08/25 11:18 AM
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Human existence requires people being broadly on the same page about certain basic things. Having children is one of those things. There's nothing misguided about that, you're just uncomfortable at the idea of playing that role. Which is understandable, it's a dangerous role to play, but don't project your anxieties onto me. Women have choices, that's a good thing in the abstract, but if the choices they make drive down the quality of society, course correction is necessary. And ideally, those w…
/r/PurplePillDebate21/08/25 11:02 AM
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Are you guys saying our mothers can’t be strict enough? It's not just about strictness. It's about what the strictness is for and how your parents communicate that to you. There are definitely women who can parent in a way that makes up for the missing parent. And I don't think that not having a father makes a woman broken. But I do think that many women are not up to the task of filling in for a man, either because they are themselves very confused about their place in the world or because they…
/r/PurplePillDebate21/08/25 10:56 AM
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why do we already have to work from the point of view that not wanting to be in a relationship is a problem and liking parties and being fun is something to be avoided? Because socially unproductive/corrosive behaviors are dangerous to society especially when they become common. Women make new people, if women don't want to make new people and don't want to even create the relationships necessary to give those new people a stable upbringing, we all suffer for it. Either because we don't have any…
/r/PurplePillDebate21/08/25 10:35 AM
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Never getting married in this corpse country.
/r/PurplePillDebate21/08/25 10:27 AM
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reddit seems to have whores Chill out with that part. I otherwise agree with you, but I can't back you up if you're talking like that.
/r/PurplePillDebate21/08/25 10:26 AM
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Have you considered that someone willing to cheat on their spouse is not the most practical person whose inclined to respect the effort their partner puts in? You're being very defensive of an awful person.
/r/PurplePillDebate21/08/25 10:15 AM
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Money money money money...money Give me a nest egg, I'd clean up. But I'm not red pill, so I guess the question isn't for me.
/r/PurplePillDebate21/08/25 01:42 AM
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It's a reference to militarized US police forces.
/r/PurplePillDebate21/08/25 12:11 AM
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Shame we'll have flying pigs before women do that. Well cops already fly helicopters, so it's about time.
/r/PurplePillDebate20/08/25 08:55 PM
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Women's attraction to men is dependent on their perception of men. If they have a constant feed of information that sets them against men they're not going to be attracted to men.
/r/PurplePillDebate20/08/25 06:36 PM
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Well social media is the opposite of that for women.
/r/PurplePillDebate20/08/25 06:23 PM
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You ever heard of "respect women juice"?
/r/PurplePillDebate20/08/25 06:21 PM
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It's one of many things that would be solved by women being more active.
/r/PurplePillDebate20/08/25 06:05 PM
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Men are repelled by harsh women because harshness usually comes with prejudices. Why ask advice from someone that doesn't want you to succeed?
/r/PurplePillDebate20/08/25 05:58 PM
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What part of women don't find most men attractive is hard to understand? There's no cheat code to becoming attractive. Most guys are pretty stuck, all things considered.
/r/PurplePillDebate20/08/25 05:53 PM
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She sounds sweet
/r/PurplePillDebate20/08/25 05:48 PM
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I agree.
/r/PurplePillDebate20/08/25 12:30 AM
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I don't think that's the same level/kind of autism that's being spoken about here. That dude sounds very...self-unaware and uninhibited. The kind of doomer redditor types are endlessly self-hating. That guy who asked you didn't have an ounce of shame.
/r/PurplePillDebate20/08/25 12:26 AM
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Men take for granted that women have flaws. And nowadays, most guys don't have enough people in their corner to work on their standards. Both girls and guys make bad romantic decisions at some point in their early romantic lives, it could be something done to them could be something they've done, but that's part of life. And part of young men's lives is learning to discern different kinds of women after not knowing better gets them hurt. The guy doesn't want to date her, but he wishes she was di…
/r/PurplePillDebate20/08/25 12:20 AM
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There's an implicit assumption baked in that "all women are like that". Which isn't helped by the fact that you are going to run into women like that (to some degree, but not necessarily that bad) if you're around them enough. When some people see a pattern, they extrapolate from what they see, and I think this guy has done some extrapolating from a very off-putting set of people.
/r/PurplePillDebate20/08/25 12:07 AM
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Tolerance for human flaws.
/r/PurplePillDebate20/08/25 12:03 AM
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Birthrate is declining because life sucks and there's plastic in our gonads.
/r/PurplePillDebate19/08/25 11:14 PM
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Nobody argues that it doesn't.
/r/PurplePillDebate19/08/25 12:07 PM
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I’m fascinated that men can even enjoy sex with someone who will only do it for money. I agree with the spirit of what you're saying. Cause obviously a prostitute is not the same as dating an expensive woman. But it's close enough. It's a bit ignorant to put it this way when many women require men to pay their way into their lives. Spending money on a woman is unavoidable for most men regardless of what they're looking for.
/r/PurplePillDebate19/08/25 11:09 AM
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Feminism has a very mixed philosophical and social footprint because there's not just one kind of feminism. We don't see the conflict as much because there's usually an institutionally backed tendency that has access to mass media, has financial resources, gets endorsed through popular culture (to varying degrees of success). But there are others, always are and have been. And one thing that Feminism has grappled with in the last 50 or so years is the contradiction between female chauvinism and …
/r/PurplePillDebate19/08/25 10:53 AM
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Yes. To get what they say they want.
/r/PurplePillDebate19/08/25 10:12 AM
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basically you've said that women aren't attracted to average guys because they can get better ones. No, I did not say that. How they can do it if most women want monogamous relationship? Women can sabotage themselves, regardless of what they want. In that case shouldn't they start to choose average? No. That would require women to respond to personal scarcity instead of their perception of what's available. They don't do that. It doesn't matter if you haven't been with a man in years, so long as…
/r/PurplePillDebate18/08/25 12:33 PM
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Mhm. Whatever the norm becomes, it will eventually be rejected because it's too easy. And if it's easy, there's no stimulation. u/Lemon_gecko I'd like to know what you thought of what I said. Seeing as it's your thread.
/r/PurplePillDebate18/08/25 01:29 AM
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And the trans women said "What about me? I'm not a man, so you should still have sex with me." What the TERF?
/r/PurplePillDebate17/08/25 01:37 PM
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There's a feedback loop here. It's easy to not support women when their only interactions with women are either dismissive or hostile. You don't see this kind of drop-off without there being a catalyst for it. This isn't a return to norm, it's young boys being actively poisoned against their female peers. And one has to ask, "what are they seeing and hearing that's getting them to this point?" Maybe it's the girls being poisoned against them as well? Because it's not their families, it's not the…
/r/PurplePillDebate17/08/25 01:24 PM
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Okay. Why do you think it is? Women are comparative. Men are graded on a negative curve and the more men there are in a woman's perception, the further down their estimation of men as a whole becomes as well as how attractive they see the men who are still managing to impress them on a basic level. The more men there are in circulation, the cheaper men and their attention/efforts become. In an environment that's small and contained, women aren't going to be as picky as they are in an environment…
/r/PurplePillDebate17/08/25 01:03 PM
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My bad I misread.
/r/PurplePillDebate17/08/25 12:22 PM
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That presupposes that evolutionary psychology is a respectable science to begin with.
/r/PurplePillDebate17/08/25 12:19 PM
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In Mongolia for example when another tribe attacked one men tent to run leaving women, children, elderly behind. Women were stolen, and it was just like that. That's a poor example given that the women live when they're kidnapped. It's not good, but dying for someone that's going to live anyway doesn't make much sense. Especially if living means you can recover and rescue them.
/r/PurplePillDebate16/08/25 08:53 PM
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Do you care? I highly doubt it. Answering your own question is pretty tacky. It seems like you've decided on a narrative about me before you got an answer. Of course I care, and I said as much in the next comment down.
/r/PurplePillDebate16/08/25 08:11 PM
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Actual confidence? Yes it's nice. But I rarely find women that are simply confident. At least not consistently, most people have their moments though. What I see more often is arrogance or pretension. Some women can't tell the difference between being self-important and just thinking that their selves are important, maybe because they don't actually feel confident in themselves but think if they can manifest it it'll become real. Faking the funk is for job interviews, not for your personal life.…
/r/PurplePillDebate16/08/25 12:36 PM
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I don't think it's where the advice is coming from that's the problem, it's the flagrantly different and clashing priorities/sensibilities. Especially in spaces like this, people of either gender have very little tact in how they voice what they're attracted to what they're not attracted to, how they see and use people. It's all very off-putting. I think good advice can only come from someone that cares about your wellbeing and can roughly put themselves in your shoes. I would never give advice …
/r/PurplePillDebate15/08/25 09:56 PM
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No, they're not.
/r/PurplePillDebate15/08/25 08:36 PM
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Thank you
/r/PurplePillDebate15/08/25 08:28 PM
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It's not just the atomization itself, but the active cultivation of ideologies and practices which make it even worse. It's not just that men and women are isolated from one another, it's that there are growing numbers of people who think that this isolation is a virtue. That caring what the opposite sex thinks of you makes you weak or broken or crazy. That wanting to spend your life with another person is somehow a pathway to servitude. That communication is supposed to be a power struggle and …
/r/PurplePillDebate15/08/25 07:45 PM
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I agree, it's nice to let go. I'm sure I'll change my mind when my life is better. But it's nice to feel like I don't have to jump on every possible opportunity. I can just walk past the girls and enjoy myself with other things.
/r/PurplePillDebate15/08/25 07:33 PM
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Irony is dead.
/r/PurplePillDebate15/08/25 07:31 PM
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I'll cop to that. Lot of shamelessness here.
/r/PurplePillDebate15/08/25 07:08 PM
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Going by how men talk here they hate women with a passion And I'm sure I could say the same for some woman who's come across this sub. There was a woman on here some months back who claimed to be incel herself, and she couldn't go a sentence without repeating the things that she's read on here. It impacts people's senses of self and it makes them think that their situations are hopeless. That girl deleted her account. I haven't a clue where she spiraled off to but I'm sure it was nowhere good. T…
/r/PurplePillDebate15/08/25 06:37 PM
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So why do you think that's not possible? Do you hear how you talk about men on here? There is no doubt in my mind that some guy has killed himself after reading the things y'all say here. Going by how the women tend to talk here, mutual love and attraction may as well be a myth.
/r/PurplePillDebate15/08/25 06:19 PM
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Ohhhh, you're femme femme. I get it now. What were your partners like? Cause this... he last couple times I’ve meet someone interesting are like yoga class where there’s 9 women to the one guy. Like the men who can hang are just rare and have lots of options bc lots of women meet their criteria. I can't imagine many men being comfortable or thriving in a space like this. Regardless of orientation. Most of my social circle is women, years of my life have been spent sharing spaces with them, and t…
/r/PurplePillDebate15/08/25 06:10 PM
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The women here assume that all the men they're talking to are anti-social shut-ins. I've got women friends, and I'm here. I'm sure there are others. Not everyone is a blackpilled incel that calls women foids.
/r/PurplePillDebate15/08/25 05:58 PM
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Is that your experience in life? Getting picked over? Or are you just projecting the narratives in this sub into your own life. Like I'm not trying to grill you here, but it's just odd to me seeing women that have given up on their love lives.
/r/PurplePillDebate15/08/25 05:44 PM
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An unwillingness to go beyond those gender roles doesn't help that. You're a smart person, surely you can find some common ground with someone different than you.
/r/PurplePillDebate15/08/25 05:42 PM
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Not every guy is comparing you with a lineup of other women. Not every guy wants to date college girls.
/r/PurplePillDebate15/08/25 05:41 PM
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That's rooted in prejudice and apprehension, not inherent qualities. If you're repeating and reinforcing a narrative to yourself, you're going to live out a self-fulfilling prophecy.
/r/PurplePillDebate15/08/25 05:39 PM
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f I thought I’d meet a wholesome person who wanted a healthy partnership w me? Then yes. Are you the kind of person that this ideal would like anymore?
/r/PurplePillDebate15/08/25 03:51 PM
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If you have to ask the question it's probably no.
/r/PurplePillDebate15/08/25 02:07 PM
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Blue balls. Do not cite the deep magics to me, I was there when it was written. Lonliness is when no one wants to play with you on the playground. Lonliness is having difficulty connecting with people. Lonliness is feeling like no one cares about you on a deep level. Loneliness is not wishing someone will fuck you. Sex is a kind of game, it's high stakes with a lot of baggage, but it's as much a game as anything else two people do together. It can make you laugh, it can make you excited, it can …
/r/PurplePillDebate15/08/25 02:17 AM
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There's so much truth in this one little sentence. I think of that feminist quote "Women have very little idea of how much men hate them" and while I don't think that the quote is true in of itself (we're definitely trending toward more men hating them than toward less, but that's a process) it speaks a deep and pervasive obliviousness that I've always been disturbed by in women. They really don't want to know what goes on around them. And it's the scariest thing to see another person do, active…
/r/PurplePillDebate13/08/25 11:26 PM
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That's like trying to tame a wild, fully grown tiger. It's past the point of being managed.
/r/PurplePillDebate13/08/25 11:19 PM
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I know it's an analogy, I'm being blunt for rhetorical purposes. if the relationship you want isn’t what the customer wants they will not participate in the transaction But again, I must say, it's not the same thing. A healthy relationship is a mutual exchange of circumstances. You come into someone else's world and they come into yours. So again, I reject the framing of the salesman analogy. so, do you think the salesman has the right to lie if telling the truth doesn’t get his car sold? But th…
/r/PurplePillDebate13/08/25 11:12 PM
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what does it mean to punish honesty? It means that a man is less likely to find a partner by being authentic and straightforward. do you expect to be honest with a woman and tell her something that she doesn’t want, and then for her to go along with it anyways? I expect women to do what they already do. imagine if a car salesman was honest about the car being something the customer didn’t want, then when customers didn’t buy it he thinks “i was punished for being honest! guess i’ll lie from now …
/r/PurplePillDebate13/08/25 10:40 PM
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It's both.
/r/PurplePillDebate13/08/25 04:38 PM
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And thank you for asking good faith questions, I truly appreciate it
/r/PurplePillDebate13/08/25 04:37 PM
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Fair enough, keep your secrets internet lady.
/r/PurplePillDebate13/08/25 04:16 PM
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Look man, if you're trying to tell me that a majority of men are like this then you're not going to get very far. I understand that dating men is hard. Understanding their motivations is hard. Knowing how they'll change over time is hard. But if you end up with a guy like that ? I have to assume that you weren't paying attention for signs. Or you weren't looking for men that had signs of being the opposite of this in the first place. Contrary to popular imagination, you can find a man that washe…
/r/PurplePillDebate13/08/25 04:14 PM
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Of course. That's a large part why I don't date. It feels fake. I shouldn't have to treat myself like a product to be sold in order to find love. Or maybe she'd accept the truth anyway but you'll never know? I try to have faith in women as they come, I do try to keep that door open when it makes sense to. I'm sure there's someone out there that wants something close to what I want. But at the moment, there's not much room in my life for that anyway.
/r/PurplePillDebate13/08/25 04:08 PM
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Do you have any?
/r/PurplePillDebate13/08/25 03:56 PM
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Men who are desirable don’t have to lie to women. There are more reasons to lie than just for sex.
/r/PurplePillDebate13/08/25 03:33 PM
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Why would single women have an opinion on it? The same reason why 12 year old boys bring up divorce statistics. They've internalized a narrative that feeds a collective grievance. Victim blaming. It's not a crime to be lazy and having a lazy partner doesn't make anyone a victim. Why is "choose better " valid in this scenario but not valid when a woman is a golddigger or takes everything in the divorce? It is valid. Being with women like that is a mistake.
/r/PurplePillDebate13/08/25 03:08 PM
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Do you believe being dishonest about important things to avoid loneliness is morally justified? No. That's why I don't lie. Women just don't respect the effect of the incentives they create. And they sidestep it by judging the consequences of their own actions. Most people aren't moral because of internal reasons. They do what makes a way for them through the world. Putting your life on hold for a principle isn't a reasonable thing to do. And making the choice to be unreasonable has hurt me. Fre…
/r/PurplePillDebate13/08/25 01:46 PM
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I can't have a conversation about men's wellbeing with someone that doesn't care about men's wellbeing. Go have a tit-for-tat with someone that wants to fight with you today.
/r/PurplePillDebate13/08/25 01:35 PM
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Men on the other hand hardly ever get played. Most men don't have anything that women want enough to trick them for it. There's a motive and opportunity difference, not ability. And many of the men that do have something women want, they're also in a strong enough position that the women have to be careful of the consequences of screwing them over. Few men are in a sweet spot of having something valuable, without a lot of recourse if they're taken advantage of. divorce Not touching this because …
/r/PurplePillDebate13/08/25 12:49 PM
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Oh? What's the situation like with that? Is it cause you were a teacher?
/r/PurplePillDebate13/08/25 12:42 PM
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*Most Adult women are generally too set in their ways to relearn how to engage with men in a way that's healthier both for themselves and for men. Generally they don't care to change as objectifying men makes their lives easier, some others genuinely seem to not know how to change, and I have to keep living in the doomed world that's been created by a generation of conditioning young girls and women to see men as a combination sex toy/status symbol/vicious animal/ATM/and emotional support. There…
/r/PurplePillDebate13/08/25 12:39 PM
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If I say anything else that I fully accept about the opposite gender without trying to rationalize, I'll get perma-banned on reddit I'm sensing some burn the witch vibes from this statement.
/r/PurplePillDebate13/08/25 12:23 PM
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I think the internet might be an exception that proves a rule. You get that kind of treatment precisely because actual life is so baren in terms of trustworthy people that can be spoken to. I think most men would prefer to speak about their problems with someone that cares about them, but they'll settle for someone that can't hurt them. You're a stranger behind a screen, that gives you lots of safety points.
/r/PurplePillDebate13/08/25 12:21 PM
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Because it oversimplifies a dynamic that exists because women cannot tolerate honesty from men. Men will be honest when women stop punishing earnesty and transparency. We adapt to them, not the other way around. If you see a behavior in men that's extremely common, it's an adaptation to women or to the environments that they go into to find women. If a man is fully truthful, he will be alone. And it doesn't seem like you care about that last part (the general you). There's a long strain of think…
/r/PurplePillDebate13/08/25 12:16 PM
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That's what you think non-conservative women are lacking?
/r/PurplePillDebate12/08/25 05:23 PM
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And what is that, fraulein?
/r/PurplePillDebate12/08/25 05:19 PM
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I'm already there, I just try to hide it. The world doesn't need more people giving up on each other than it already does.
/r/PurplePillDebate12/08/25 01:16 AM
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I'm trying to do some A Christmas Carol style heart to hearts. Maybe I'll get through to someone.
/r/PurplePillDebate12/08/25 01:04 AM
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Nobody deserves, they just get what they get. It's as arbitrary as anything else. There's nothing about being attractive that necessarily means you'll get what you want or be treated well by others. It just means more people want to have sex with you than otherwise. Women choose to treat men well according to their attraction. They could choose a different metric if they so please. But that would take moral development and philosophies that many simply aren't interested in. But it is up to them,…
/r/PurplePillDebate11/08/25 03:55 PM
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while if shes reserved and you go hit on her and she lets you court her, it feels to most men as if theyre special Just because a women is difficult for you doesn't mean she's difficult for everybody. I really do think it's just down to whether it feels normal or not. But I understand what you're saying. All I can say is this. When men approach, we have to be sure that we want to do that. There's a sunk cost to investing time into a woman. And that decisiveness makes entertaining doubts counter-…
/r/PurplePillDebate11/08/25 03:46 PM
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the general impression is they think they want to be pursued but they actually want to feel like the conquerer I disagree. You're placing women approaching in a vacuum but you're describing a thought process that takes place in a particular social context. Women approaching men in our present day comes with certain connotations. And more over men have been exposed to certain ideas and actions of women that makes how a woman interacts with a man more sensitive than it actually has to be. We live …
/r/PurplePillDebate11/08/25 03:14 PM
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That you are responsible for 'minding their time, or whatever that means. Yeah, to the degree that I can I will acknowledge them and then firmly say no and move on with my day. but the insinuation that women are at fault for not smiling and nodding them they feel bothered by men is something we don't expect of other groups That's not what I said. And it is an expectation that's placed on every group of people except the wealthy and powerful. Civility is expected of all normal people. I don't get…
/r/PurplePillDebate11/08/25 02:59 PM
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women aren’t behaving like men Women are behaving like men, just in the ways that serve them. It's not something that any man has an obligation to have patience for. Being a member of society means engaging with it in a responsible fashion. And one responsibility that exists in society is to not burden others unduly. If you're involved in something you pull your weight, make things work, be proactive in creating sensible outcomes. You don't have to date every man that talks to you, but you do ha…
/r/PurplePillDebate11/08/25 02:12 PM
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I didn't say that. Only we’re not cannon fodder usually (there are after all women in the army), we’re breeding mares, and no one cares about that. Some of the largest protests in world history have been organized around the lives and protection of women. There were 3-4 million people who participated in the women's march. There are political parties that organize around your interests. There are social codes in place for how to treat you (chivalry, dead as it is). All on account of womanhood an…
/r/PurplePillDebate11/08/25 12:52 PM
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Also what the fuck do you mean “men have no inherited value”? We're cannon fodder and treated as such. Unless you've got money or an army, you will be treated according to how much you have. That's what it means. It's not an ideological position, it's an observation of our lives. It'd be like asking a woman "what do you mean men have been harassing you all your life, does it make your life better to think about your life that way?" It's your life, things happened in it, and being honest about it…
/r/PurplePillDebate11/08/25 12:31 PM
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There's already less women. There's really no further damage that can be done that hasn't already happened. There's nothing to salvage. It's like saying about a totaled car that can't drive "Why are you taking out the steering wheel? Don't you need that?" The car's broken, friend. If less women participate in dating because they don't trust men or like them, it's not affecting men's prospects. They were never going to date anyone. So why not just prioritize mental health? I think it'd be good fo…
/r/PurplePillDebate11/08/25 12:25 PM
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And why do you assume women’s preferences are about impressing anyone else? Because my life is full of women who do exactly that and say as much. Friends, family, it's always a factor. And it's especially a factor when it comes to height. Some of us just know what we want without putting on a show. Well I hope this attitude spreads. I'm more than a bit tired of the usual. But what I said is clear - shaming people for not meeting preferences isn’t okay, whether it’s men or women doing it. And wha…
/r/PurplePillDebate10/08/25 02:54 PM
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It's not high self esteem to have no problems with how other people act.
/r/PurplePillDebate10/08/25 02:02 PM
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It's more a socially perceived characteristic. The same way most women can clock a guy who's "too shy", but not necessarily every shy man is going to get that label, and some people that aren't shy will also be labelled. It's like that with promiscuity. Men are sensitive to women who sleep around a lot. Doesn't mean they're always right about who does what and how much, but it's a sensitivity.
/r/PurplePillDebate10/08/25 01:56 PM
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It's not something you have to say. Women's preferences are judgments, anything that makes a man look worse in the eyes of the people a woman wants to impress (including herself) is what women are against. There's no getting away from it.
/r/PurplePillDebate10/08/25 01:52 PM
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If it's not ready it must be made to be ready, or it will destroy itself.
/r/PurplePillDebate10/08/25 02:00 AM
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Why are hating on this poor Mantis-boy?
/r/PurplePillDebate10/08/25 01:56 AM
You can kill a man, but you can't kill an idea.

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