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I always find it frustrating that absolutely no one interested in addressing trans issues is willing to even consider the role that societies view of men (as those who are perceived as men) plays in those issues. IMHO it's obvious that a lot of the terf stance on trans women comes from their bioessentialism and frothing hatred of anything associated with men. They view transwomen as evil tainted men trying to infiltrate their sacred women's spaces, but you try to bring that up you get shouted do…
/r/LeftWingMaleAdvocates30/05/21 08:48 AM
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I mean, they like to claim that in theory, when it suits them. They like to flip-flop between "menslib is a positive space for discussion of men's issues on the left and all men's issues are welcome" and "actually jk by men's issues I meant how toxic y'all we men are and how society should let men be more like women (who aren't to blame for any of that even when they're enforcing those standards) and if you disagree then you can just [removed]". It wouldn't be so bad if they didn't get held up a…
/r/LeftWingMaleAdvocates02/02/21 11:33 AM
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Menslib actually having a discussion about the rampant shit-talking and androphobia in left wing circles, and it was a pretty good discussion, too, right up until it got a little too good
/r/LeftWingMaleAdvocates02/02/21 10:04 AM
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There's basically two "lefts". The economic left that cares about worker rights, economic inequality, social support programs, etc, and the social left, who care about identity rights, anti-discrimination, etc. The latter has become a much lesser threat to the powers that be, especially in its modern abstracted grievance based form, so it's become more and more co-opted by capital and more and more hostile to the former. Unfortunately they're both identified as "the left", so they get lumped tog…
/r/LeftWingMaleAdvocates31/10/20 10:23 AM
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The sort of "leftist" who would need to be basically tricked/eased into caring about men's issues in the first place. Unfortunately, the dominant kind. The bourgeoisie identitarians and libfems who have hijacked the left wing into being entirely about social issues, and by social issues I mean microagressions and demanding more WoCEOs and indigenous drone pilots, because doing otherwise might reveal that they're pretty privileged themselves. The ones who say men can't have issues because they're…
/r/LeftWingMaleAdvocates31/10/20 09:38 AM
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No, they don't give a shit about worker's rights either. Most of them are terminal idpolsters who at best don't care about class/economic issues and at worst think they're actively detrimental because it takes away from their pet causes
/r/LeftWingMaleAdvocates31/10/20 06:34 AM
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why do you think I'm in this sub? Honestly man I don't know. You don't actually seem to be left wing, rather opposed actually. Also liberal idpol shit=/=left wing, or at least not the totality it it. Bedsides, I'd prefer people giving self help advice apolitically, because doing otherwise, seeding your advice with polemic, is basically taking advantage of the vulnerable. It's immoral, no matter who's doing it. Really though, what was your point with this comment? OP asked what people think, I sa…
/r/LeftWingMaleAdvocates18/10/20 10:20 AM
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The jungian stuff is probably the neatest aspect, but it's fundamentally there to make his fairly prosaic and common sense advice/political opinions seem more meaningful than they are. I think there why it's so appealing and ultimately as insidious/helpful as it is. It's like a mystery cult where the secret wisdom is "clean your room", "have pride in yourself", and unfortunately "gay rights is a Marxist conspiracy". The apolitical advice isn't by any means revolutionary but it is the sort of thi…
/r/LeftWingMaleAdvocates18/10/20 06:31 AM
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It's not very good, IMHO. He offers some solid if basic life advice, but couched in weird pseudomystical jungian imagery and laced with incoherent conservative rhetoric. I think there are a lot of dudes who could use the life advice, but the politics not so much
/r/LeftWingMaleAdvocates17/10/20 10:17 AM
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I mean, better than nothing I guess? I mean I'd rather they stop because they're bored than continue because it's fun to them. This got posted on menslib and it was like pulling teeth to try and get someone to admit that it's even something that happens, let alone something they should care about
/r/LeftWingMaleAdvocates17/10/20 09:51 AM
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Honestly, purity culture says more or less the same thing about male sexuality that mainstream culture does, just more directly and loudly: that male sexuality is inherently a dirty, gross, somewhat immoral thing. At best it's something funny in the same way that gross out humor is funny, the vulgarity is the humor; at worst it, and the man, are painted as dangerous, predatory, obscene, a threat to women just by daring to think of them. I've seen a lot of dudes who are so scared of being seen th…
/r/LeftWingMaleAdvocates04/10/20 04:58 AM
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"Pick me" is basically a cudgel of normativity. It's often just "whore" with extra steps, bashing a woman for behaving in a way that is unusual, unfeminine, or just offensive to the speaker by implying that they're only doing it to attract male (sexual) attention. There are parallels to "simp" in that it's used to describe someone behaving unusually under the assumption that it's for attention from the opposite sex, though pick me seems to be deployed more to control than insult. A dilute versio…
/r/LeftWingMaleAdvocates16/07/20 08:56 AM
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Innuendo Studios C'mon man.
/r/LeftWingMaleAdvocates30/04/20 04:45 AM
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Shame it got y'all can't behave'd. No breaking the circlejerk or implying women aren't entitled to 'vent' about how much they loathe men.
/r/LeftWingMaleAdvocates25/04/20 08:42 AM
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Doesn't really work when they don't care about being hypocritical. They'll call you a sexist for daring to suggest that the two are equal. Also you can't discriminate against men and if you do they deserve it.
/r/LeftWingMaleAdvocates07/04/20 10:52 AM
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It's unlikely. The current of casual (and not so causal) misandry runs deep and is pretty foundatiinal to a lot of the more prevalent strains of popular feminism. It's also something they loathe to acknowledge to the point they'll argue that a homeless male veteran has more power than a congresswoman, because men cannot have problems societally and if they do it's their fault. If you press them about being for gender equality, they'll flip to "actually feminism is about women's rights I don't ne…
/r/LeftWingMaleAdvocates05/04/20 06:06 PM
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Fair enough. Thank you for the explanation!
/r/LeftWingMaleAdvocates10/01/20 05:23 AM
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Well I mean I mostly don't get what it means to "feel" a gender identity. I don't feel that strongly affiliated with maleness, I just sort of am a dude. I'm ambivalent. I don't really consider it at all, and I don't really understand what it means when people say that they do. Does my not registering my maleness unless it's directly drawn to my attention make me hypercis, so comfortable in my gender identity that it becomes background noise, or does it make me not cis at all? I also don't really…
/r/LeftWingMaleAdvocates10/01/20 04:05 AM
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GC/Terfs in general hate trans people (though let's be realistic, its 99% directed at trans women) because they hate men, and view them as their assigned gender. The rhetoric they use against transwomen is rooted in the belief that men are inherently tainted rape and violence machines, and thus transwomen are basically monsters pretending to be people. They're far less hateful towards transmen, because they view them as misguided women (and thus as people with moral agency). As for my own views,…
/r/LeftWingMaleAdvocates08/01/20 10:21 AM
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A lot of discussion in menslib is couched in handwringing and passivity and general anxiety to in any way go against the grain of liberal feminism. There's an expectation to always kowtow women's opinions on masculinity (because they know better than you about what masculinity really means) but to never, ever question a woman's lived experiences (because obviously you know nothing about what it's like to be another gender so stop presuming), and to never speak of masculinity in directly positive…
/r/LeftWingMaleAdvocates31/12/19 05:02 AM
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Every radfem discussion I have ever seen has basically treated men as barely repressed engines of rape and oppression. It's widespread and pervasive enough that it spills over to people who aren't even men. See complaints about handmaidens and the misandric roots of most TERF vitriol towards trans women. If you have any counterexamples I'd love to see them, but radical feminism seems pretty unsympathetic to me.
/r/LeftWingMaleAdvocates21/12/19 08:20 AM
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It's a good thing they're not radfems, because nearly every strain of radical feminism is aggressively antimale.
/r/LeftWingMaleAdvocates21/12/19 06:58 AM
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I thought the Matilda effect was when little girls start making shit fly through the air with their minds
/r/LeftWingMaleAdvocates18/11/19 11:42 AM
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It probably resonates with a lot of people, but doesn't really offer any sort of real advice or anything people who live such experiences didn't already know. The same article was posted to r/askfeminists and it's amusing seeing the responses there. It's either "eww gross entitled incel shit" or "haha pathetic faux feminists got em", neither of which actually acknowledge that there are a lot of dudes who feel that self abnegation and denying that they have any physical or emotional needs is the …
/r/LeftWingMaleAdvocates15/11/19 04:10 PM
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What exactly is your point, here? Gadflies like you who need to come into male spaces and insist that men have no issues (and presumably that their non-issues would be solved by whatever flavor of feminism you embrace) is exactly why subs like this, or to a lesser extent r/Mensrights exists. You drive people away
/r/LeftWingMaleAdvocates20/10/19 06:27 AM
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If I belonged to a religion that didn't really view black people as human, and I exclusively referred to black students as it when speaking to others about them and when asked to please refer to the black student as a person responded with "But lying is immoral", that would make me a shitty person and probably not fit to teach. At the very least I shouldn't be teaching black students.It's his duty as a teacher to not denigrate or harm students in his care, and if he can't fulfill that duty then …
/r/LeftWingMaleAdvocates04/10/19 01:57 AM
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Yes, yes it is. If it's really that much of an issue for him then he should have asked for them to be transferred to another class or something, or else try harder. At the very least not use the wrong pronouns when talking to everyone else.
/r/LeftWingMaleAdvocates03/10/19 10:58 AM
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I'm happy to see Olly talk about issues like this, though I'm sure that certain other, more glutinous segments of his viewership haven't made that easy. I saw a few people over on breadtube sub post about this video basically saying that maybe he deserved it and at the very least we don't have his partner's side of the story and men are more likely to initiate abuse so we really should be taking this with a grain of salt.
/r/LeftWingMaleAdvocates02/09/19 05:31 AM
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That's true, though I think that spreading word of this sub would be even more helpful. I've never actually seen it mentioned in the wild and stumbled upon it by chance, meanwhile menslib has people singing it's praises as a not shitty version of r/mensrights any time male issues come up. People ought to know there's an alternative to the redpill path that's not emasculated cowering
/r/LeftWingMaleAdvocates25/08/19 01:35 AM
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Natalie makes good stuff, and she's one of the few "Breadtube" types who seems actually sympathetic to men's issues/men, so it's neat to see her take on things even if it does largely amount to a supportive shrug. Im kind of bummed to see people on her sub/Breadtube/etc trying to point towards r/menslib as a positive alternative masculine group. I can't see that at all, unless you consider shame and hand wringing positive masculinity. What young, vulnerable men need is an identity that can teach…
/r/LeftWingMaleAdvocates24/08/19 10:14 AM
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Eh, depends on the magical tradition. Many historical ones were just as much proto-science as spirituality, attempts to suss out the secret laws of the universe and through those secrets prosper somehow. There are still a lot of contemporary traditions that are very rules and systems and knowledge based
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