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| 11 | Roald Dahl's Ugly Thoughts Passage: Opinions? | Bluepill Discussion | ItsAroundYou | /r/AllPillDebate | 06/09/23 01:44 AM |
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| 1 | Will ever an autistic ugly guy have a chance with a woman?As an autistic person myself, here's my advice. I don't know your experience with autism, but me personally, I simply was not interested in dating until recently. There was no one who I was physically attracted to and got along with, and I just didn't pay any attention to relationships at all. Autistic people tend to make fewer connections in life, but the connections they do make often last a very long time. Don't rush into a relationship, and don't try to go for a girl who's clearly not intere… | /r/AllPillDebate | 22/09/23 06:36 PM |
| 1 | Just take a shower broWell, it's important to note that these posts aren't painting the men in a good light. The latter comment literally mentions "ex" husband and the first post suggests they've broken up. Some women don't recognize those red flags until it's too late and that can be for a lot of reasons. | /r/AllPillDebate | 22/09/23 06:24 PM |
| 1 | You did or didn't approach her. Did you regret the decision? No "you gotta approach her" propaganda. Just explain how you felt about the results.I've approached a girl twice and got kindly rejected both times. But it's not something to take personally; the first girl was taken and the second wasn't interested in a relationship. | /r/AllPillDebate | 22/09/23 06:21 PM |
| 1 | Roald Dahl's Ugly Thoughts Passage: Opinions?People, most of the time, don't mean "you won't be loved if you have low self-esteem". They mean you're not ready for a relationship if you have low self-esteem. People who say the former are saying it wrong. This is important because people with low self-esteem do deserve love and support, from their friends and family. But jumping into a relationship with heavy emotional baggage puts an unfair amount of responsibility on your partner. | /r/AllPillDebate | 07/09/23 09:14 PM |
| 1 | Roald Dahl's Ugly Thoughts Passage: Opinions?I think for most bullied people in that situation, they struggle mainly from low self-esteem and confidence, which means they often don't even try. In a world where people do judge your value based on whether or not you have a girlfriend, this leads to more shunning, which is a pretty vicious cycle. I feel like the anger a lot of people here express towards individual women would be better expressed toward the patriarchal structure that pushes people to try to meet impossible standards in the na… | /r/AllPillDebate | 07/09/23 08:53 PM |
| 1 | Roald Dahl's Ugly Thoughts Passage: Opinions?I imagine that that's largely due to those bullies being abusive. Abusive relationships can be really hard to leave for various reasons, like finances or threats of violence. They only need one girl to miss the red flags. | /r/AllPillDebate | 07/09/23 12:16 AM |
| 1 | Roald Dahl's Ugly Thoughts Passage: Opinions?I think the confusion is the idea that good thoughts make you physically attractive, which isn't what the passage conveys. The message is that good thoughts make people more attractive regardless of their physical appearance. Obviously good thoughts won't make you taller or make your skeleton sexier, but people will view you in an inherently more positive light. | /r/AllPillDebate | 06/09/23 05:24 PM |
| 3 | A lot of people think 'small talk' is idiot shit for morons to do while we more refined types quote from Aristotle and chuckle smugly. Personally, it helped me connect with people and I found it hugely powerful.I'm also autistic and can struggle with making small talk. But I recently read a post that put it in a different light for me. While us autistics have our own needs and accomodations to be met, so do neurotypicals. Small talk is a sort of accommodation for NT people to ease into a conversation, as opposed to us where we tend to vomit ideas given the opportunity. As much as I dislike small talk, I recognize its importance in day-to-day interaction. | /r/AllPillDebate | 06/09/23 05:18 PM |
| 1 | Roald Dahl's Ugly Thoughts Passage: Opinions?I think there's a pretty stark difference between his stories that are explicitly fiction and this passage which is evidently meant to be social commentary. | /r/AllPillDebate | 06/09/23 12:50 PM |
| 1 | Roald Dahl's Ugly Thoughts Passage: Opinions?I'll agree with you that the patriarchy is quite horrible for the average man. The constant pressure to be high-value in today's society can be crushing, especially for someone like me who's autistic, and physically incapable of reaching those standards. The popularization of being "strong" and "manly" also means it's really hard for men to be genuine about their emotions. Now that I think about it, it makes sense that there are a lot of autistic incels. Incels often feel shunned because of thei… | /r/AllPillDebate | 06/09/23 05:27 AM |
| 1 | Roald Dahl's Ugly Thoughts Passage: Opinions?I think these points are pretty relevant to one of my talking points being women under the patriarchy often do ignore red flags because of what they were taught. This constant pressure society puts on all of us to be "high-value", whether that be through getting money and cars, or marrying someone who has them, does mean that yeah, there will be people out there who look for nothing but material and looks. But really "value" is subjective. Value doesn't have to be money. It doesn't have to be se… | /r/AllPillDebate | 06/09/23 03:39 AM |
| 0 | Roald Dahl's Ugly Thoughts Passage: Opinions?Well, those features might be what's attractive to you. I'm not into that stuff, more chub for me please. But you'd be surprised how much a person's looks are influenced by their words and actions. Take the Youtuber Dream, for instance. In a vacuum, he's not that unattractive. Maybe his chin's a little sharp. But this is a Youtuber with mountains of drama and allegations behind him, so the second he revealed his face, everyone called him HIDEOUS. | /r/AllPillDebate | 06/09/23 03:16 AM |
| 0 | Roald Dahl's Ugly Thoughts Passage: Opinions?Relatively small sample size aside, I think this can be explained through the patriarchy, the same system that kicks people down for being "low value". In the patriarchy, it's supposed to be considered "high value" for a man to have money, women, cars, stuff like that. It's gotten pretty bad as of late with guys like Andrew Tate, but there's always been this sort of "push" for men to "win" women. The proliferation of the mindset that women are objects to be won has caused men to treat women like… | /r/AllPillDebate | 06/09/23 03:11 AM |
| 1 | Roald Dahl's Ugly Thoughts Passage: Opinions?Well, no, there wouldn't be since attractiveness is subjective, and how certain people receive certain thoughts will always be different. From my perspective, anyhow, people get a lot uglier the moment they come out as transphobic, racist, whatever. | /r/AllPillDebate | 06/09/23 02:47 AM |
| -2 | Roald Dahl's Ugly Thoughts Passage: Opinions?The message isn't that good thoughts will change your looks; it's that good thoughts will make you attractive regardless of looks. Inversely, toxic thoughts will make you less attractive regardless of looks. You can have a wonky nose and a crooked mouth and a double chin and stick-out teeth, but if you have good thoughts it will shine out of your face like sunbeams and you will always look lovely. | /r/AllPillDebate | 06/09/23 02:26 AM |
| -2 | Roald Dahl's Ugly Thoughts Passage: Opinions?I know you're saying this in jest, but, like, yeah. I could see it. | /r/AllPillDebate | 06/09/23 02:22 AM |
| 1 | Roald Dahl's Ugly Thoughts Passage: Opinions?I think the "ugly" bit is more of a metaphor, not to be taken literally. Obviously your thoughts don't actually influence your looks, but if people associate your face with toxic thoughts, they probably won't see you as attractive. | /r/AllPillDebate | 06/09/23 02:20 AM |
| 1 | Why does society hate defeatism/ people calling themselves low value males?I truly feel like a lot of what you're saying here is a direct result of your mindset changing due to the rabbit hole. Based on your civil responses to me, you seem like a pretty chill guy, just misguided. It's easy to think people only "tolerate" you when you constantly think in terms of "value". The truth is, a lot of people in the real world don't care about value. Most peoples' opinions of others is based on how they are treated by that person regardless of status. If you're a civil person t… | /r/AllPillDebate | 05/09/23 04:53 PM |
| 1 | Why does society hate defeatism/ people calling themselves low value males?You're not wrong that the perception of a person's value is largely influenced by society. In particular, I think the proliferation of figures like Andrew Tate that try to define masculinity as getting women, having money, etc, is mostly to blame for a lot of young men today believing they're "low value". But believe it or not, there are quite a few people out there that don't need that outside validation. I could cite quite a bit of the trans community for this; many trans individuals live thei… | /r/AllPillDebate | 05/09/23 04:30 PM |
| 1 | Why does society hate defeatism/ people calling themselves low value males?What you need to ask yourself is this: What is value in a man? Who determines that? If you've been on this sub for a while, you might think value is money, sexy bones, arrogance, whatever. And for some people, that's what value is to them. But value is subjective, and everyone's opinion on a high-value or low-value person varies, depending on who you ask. Me, personally, a person I'd consider "high-value" is someone who I can bond with over shared experience, someone who I can confide in emotion… | /r/AllPillDebate | 05/09/23 04:01 PM |
| 1 | beside sex, what women give in relationships?! ( in detail)A person to talk to and a shoulder to cry on. Someone you can bond with over shared experiences. Having a partner is much, much more of an emotional connection than physical. | /r/AllPillDebate | 05/09/23 03:12 PM |
| 0 | Ugly austistic men like me and normal men and chads live in complete different realities and can't relate to each other.Meh, I'm an autistic person and I'm nothing special in terms of looks. But you'd be surprised at how often being a whimsical dork works regardless. | /r/AllPillDebate | 05/09/23 03:10 PM |
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