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The question is, since so many women have had unpleasant encounters with PUAs, how are they supposed to tell you apart?
/r/PurplePillDebate28/11/23 05:25 AM
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The average guy is not. PUAs are smarmy salesmen, and some men are outcome invested and react badly when the sales pitch doesn’t go as they planned. PUAs follow women around until they are certain no men are nearby to interrupt if she appears uncomfortable. PUAs are intense and focused and goal-driven, and bring the same energy as any religious nutter intent on converting strangers. They make up contrived reasons to ask for help because they’ve been taught women are inclined to hold still and he…
/r/PurplePillDebate28/11/23 05:07 AM
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You are right but they rarely walk away, too invested in the outcome. It’s a hard sales pitch by a pushy salesman, not “simple small talk with random strangers” as some are trying to portray it here.
/r/PurplePillDebate28/11/23 04:35 AM
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No one in this thread said men aren’t allowed to talk to women. OP asked for opinions and several people gave their opinions. Don’t know why men ask unless they are just looking for an argument. And I already explained I’ll talk with strangers, but I have zero interest in PUAs and find the desperation and the entitlement to women’s time and attention off putting. Literally thousands of social events and social venues available for strangers to mingle. Nothing stopping men from using social space…
/r/PurplePillDebate28/11/23 04:32 AM
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It’s just weird talking to people on Reddit as if they don’t know that there are lots of extroverted people who enjoy banter but don’t assume the banter is implying anything else than enjoying the moment with the person. Plausible deniability is how PUA save face when rejected. “I wasn’t flirting with you GOSH”
/r/PurplePillDebate28/11/23 04:20 AM
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Did you make a beeline for a man or follow a man or elderly woman around until she was alone in an aisle? Are you talking to children or teens? Are you hanging around a man’s job and interrupting him with inane small talk? Nope. Plausible deniability just adds another layer of bullshit.
/r/PurplePillDebate28/11/23 04:03 AM
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I don’t know what you are on about. Men are going to subscribe to whatever manosphere grifter horseshit the want to believe and they will continue to corner women regardless of how women feel about it. Men love cheat codes and many men here fall for whatever hack they believe will get them laid. Men know women’s generally acquiescent nature and aversion to conflict makes them a captive audience anyway. But women don’t have to like it and some men end up on social media because they flip out when…
/r/PurplePillDebate28/11/23 04:00 AM
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Me too and I still think Get out of her face, Tryhard
/r/PurplePillDebate28/11/23 03:54 AM
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When did the subject change from cold approaching women because he wants sex or romance to “talking to strangers”? Cold approaching straight men too now?
/r/PurplePillDebate28/11/23 03:52 AM
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And this https://tenor.com/bdTgA.gif
/r/PurplePillDebate28/11/23 03:50 AM
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Reminds me of this https://tenor.com/bz51j.gif
/r/PurplePillDebate28/11/23 03:49 AM
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Don’t care, not interested in desperate men with no friends.
/r/PurplePillDebate28/11/23 03:46 AM
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The idea that PUAs feel they have the right to “test” women they beg for attention is laughable.
/r/PurplePillDebate28/11/23 03:46 AM
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I talk to strangers. I love strangers and have a resting smiling face. I don’t mind small talk at all. But self styled pick up artists are far too contrived and awkward to deal with. They can practice on someone else.
/r/PurplePillDebate28/11/23 03:41 AM
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No. Cold approaching isn’t a test of women’s personalities. Cold approaching is an act of desperation or entitlement, and he’s the person breaching etiquette and social norms because he wants female validation. Her reaction isn’t up for judgment. She can either giggle demurely, ignore him and flat leave, or whip out her phone and record. He’s the person demanding an audience, he doesn’t get to decide how she responds.
/r/PurplePillDebate28/11/23 03:39 AM
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I don’t have any idea how neurodivergent women feel about cold approach, but it’s possible they don’t mind it as much as women with an active social life. It’s possible they don’t have as many opportunities to meet men. But for the majority of women, it doesn’t matter if he wants sex or a Hallmark romance, he’s attempting to force a meetcute and it’s nearly always painfully awkward to hold still and watch some rando spit lines.
/r/PurplePillDebate28/11/23 03:36 AM
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I dont know how you figure it’s a strawman, but why in the world should any woman care if some rando thinks she’s attractive if she isn’t mutually attracted? One of the most repeated claims here is that most men find most women attractive, what’s special about the guy who interrupts her because he wants attention? There is no benefit whatsoever in the interruption for her, and on the off chance 1 of 99 woman does give him a chance, the chances are just as high he’s going to keep cold approaching…
/r/PurplePillDebate28/11/23 03:34 AM
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Agreed and the PUA/seduction/pick up subs advise every man they will have to approach 99 women for one phone number/lay. Who wants to be the only woman of 100 approaches who finally said yes? And what woman wants to attach herself to a man who roams stores and campuses he doesn’t belong to in search of female validation? To me the risk of him embarrassing himself, getting posted on social media, or getting banned from a store for acting weird is far too high. Solid no for me.
/r/PurplePillDebate28/11/23 03:14 AM
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Do these women really want to rely more so on dating apps over in person courtship? I’m sure there are women who are flattered by any compliments and approaches whether they are interested or not. But I find cold approach in non social venues to be a nuisance and sometimes stressful depending on his body language and attitude. I’m unconcerned about approaches in social venues because that’s what social venues are for, but I still have no interest in a stranger whose only interest is the first ph…
/r/PurplePillDebate28/11/23 03:02 AM
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Because it’s easier to control women who don’t have their own money and method of escaping.
/r/PurplePillDebate28/11/23 01:19 AM
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He’d better be damn near perfect if he expects fawning and constant care.
/r/PurplePillDebate28/11/23 01:19 AM
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Same. But I don’t think they have any concept of the generations of resentment and refuse to consider the reasons why middle aged women divorce as soon as the oldest leaves for college. Until they reflect on what life really looks like for the caretaker of the home and family for the duration of her marriage, they are going to struggle to find women who trust them to retain their independence and self-sufficiency.
/r/PurplePillDebate28/11/23 12:26 AM
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I think most men here know the definition even if they get the spelling wrong, but when they describe “complementary partners” they describe a wife and mother who takes care of the exhausting minutia of every possible household and family tasks 24/7 while dad works 40, games 160, and gets one sided sex on tap. In other words, their idea of a complementary partner is a woman who treats them exactly the same as their mother does while also providing sex.
/r/PurplePillDebate28/11/23 12:21 AM
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So what if a really attractive woman handicaps her allure in some way. Like blacking out a tooth, dragging a leg, one comically large breast and one small? Or like… really soggy sneezes while sitting at the bar? Would she get a 1:1 love match in her own weight class then?
/r/PurplePillDebate28/11/23 12:12 AM
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Here it is fellas, and most importantly, take note of the first and only proper spelling of the word complement in PPD history. Someone wife this one up quick.
/r/PurplePillDebate28/11/23 12:08 AM
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Why so he can ensure a dead bedroom and 5-50 years of tandem resentment?
/r/PurplePillDebate28/11/23 12:05 AM
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I’m not accepting the insulting and false premise.
/r/PurplePillDebate27/11/23 10:22 PM
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The terms you chose are deliver condescending and patronizing and an extreme exaggeration of positive, masculine behaviors.
/r/PurplePillDebate27/11/23 10:21 PM
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When women fantasize about getting into a relationship with a aggressive / toxic male Women don’t fantasize about aggressive, toxic males. Those terms are deliberately inflammatory. Some women prefer assertive, competent men. Do you want to talk about that? Or just pretend that attractive women with options prefer shitheads?
/r/PurplePillDebate27/11/23 10:17 PM
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Those men aren’t participating because they don’t want to admit all the times they demand that women lower their standards and “pick me” the man who won’t cheat (because he has no other options) are expressly, explicitly demanding that women settle for men they aren’t attracted to. They don’t want to admit that blatantly. They want to make those demands via jabs and insults and revenge fantasy.
/r/PurplePillDebate27/11/23 10:11 PM
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Then change your preferences to reveal comments.
/r/PurplePillDebate27/11/23 09:27 PM
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It’s an anonymous website, not a popularity contest. Adults shouldn’t worry about votes.
/r/PurplePillDebate27/11/23 09:19 PM
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Is it acceptable for men to refuse to date women for “spurious reasons”? Like nose rings, tattoos, blue hair, fake eye lashes, too much makeup, revealing clothing, or past boyfriends who were taller or more masculine?
/r/PurplePillDebate27/11/23 08:50 PM
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Oh, so you saw that, too.
/r/PurplePillDebate27/11/23 08:48 PM
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There is no description in the OP whatsoever, but there are constant threads from older virgins who defend age gap relationships because they want to be a young woman’s or teenaged girl’s first partner. Why don’t you elaborate if you know what he’s referring to?
/r/PurplePillDebate27/11/23 07:47 PM
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Shortchanged as in didn’t get to enjoy deflowering a sixteen year old? What do you mean?
/r/PurplePillDebate27/11/23 07:33 PM
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They can’t be compared to one another. Women in arranged marriages can rate their happiness relative to their station. They have no idea what a love marriage looks like. A woman in a love marriage cannot compare her experience to an arranged marriage.
/r/PurplePillDebate27/11/23 07:32 PM
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It isn’t speculation, women in forced marriages often write and speak about their unhappiness.
/r/PurplePillDebate27/11/23 06:43 PM
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Women in arranged marriages don’t have much choice. Many don’t work and most face lifelong social and family repercussions for divorce. Their satisfaction ratings are based on resignation, not happiness.
/r/PurplePillDebate27/11/23 06:27 PM
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I think men tend to feel that every “favor” or effort deserves a reward. Meanwhile the same men expect women to cook three meals per day, clean up after them, feed and care for his kids and his dog, make all the appointments, rub his shoulders and wash his shit-stained underwear without expecting anything in return because caring is in women’s nature or whatever label they slap on entitlement to female care. Women open doors. Women help old ladies with their packages. Women make caring, supporti…
/r/PurplePillDebate27/11/23 06:24 PM
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All of the TRP men I've argued with over the past couple weeks who do insist that women should settle for men are conspicuously absent from this discussion.
/r/PurplePillDebate27/11/23 06:01 PM
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Chivalry is still and has always been performative. Simpering, ingratiating, obligating. I don't know why men pretend it's anything except a blatant attempt to outdo other men and obligate sexual favors, in exactly the same way buying a woman drinks is an obligation. Gifts are to show appreciation in relationships, not boy scout points.
/r/PurplePillDebate27/11/23 05:34 PM
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women are guilty of the same stuff at times Of course they are. I'm just pointing out that the male mating dance is just as lame and embarrassingly obvious.
/r/PurplePillDebate27/11/23 05:14 PM
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I think that men who have a lower sex drive or cultural or religious inhibitions are better served by dating within their social sphere instead of obsessing over fratboys and fratgirls.
/r/PurplePillDebate27/11/23 03:55 PM
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It's a sense of ownership and domination of women, massive insecurity, and the tendency to compete with other men.
/r/PurplePillDebate27/11/23 03:54 PM
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My experience is the opposite. I haven't dated or even flirted with a single man who didn't immediately smother me with constant messages and texts, who didn't show up at my home or my job uninvited, and otherwise insert himself into my life at every opportunity until I resented him within a month. Same with my friends. Men smother. Men hover. Men dominate all our free time.
/r/PurplePillDebate27/11/23 03:40 PM
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Where are the men who pepper every single discussion with "Men find most women attractive"? Where are the men who inform their daughters, their sisters, and their partners that every man wants to fuck them and will try given the opportunity?
/r/PurplePillDebate27/11/23 03:38 PM
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Does doing that respect the ability to consent of the new guys they're lying to in order to sleep with? None of his business. He wasn't in her life then and doesn't have ownership rights prior to their entanglement. Men are crazy with this shit. If they are so worried about how much fun a woman had with previous partners, they should marry a virgin when they are young. If they didn't, oh well. Live with the choices.
/r/PurplePillDebate27/11/23 03:34 PM
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This is an exceedingly gross conversation. I don't care at all about men who pose and posture and beg for female validation, I find it pathetic. I also find plausible deniability pathetic. "neither he just makes a general comment while doing something—-bends down to get a box oh shit man my legs hurt did legs today" But his issues have nothing to do with me. I have no problem ignoring men who stunt and posture because they are desperate for attention. Obvious men are obvious. No one cares.
/r/PurplePillDebate27/11/23 03:34 PM
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Johnny Bravo? A cartoon? What are you even talking about right now?
/r/PurplePillDebate27/11/23 03:31 PM
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I don't have to tell him anything, he's just making noise at work. He isn't interfering with me at all, he's just desperate for attention and slightly annoying and painfully obvious.
/r/PurplePillDebate27/11/23 03:28 PM
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How? What do men who whine about their sore muscles due to working out want besides a woman's attention? They sure AF aren't whining to men about their sore muscles.
/r/PurplePillDebate27/11/23 03:27 PM
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No one is required to have sex they don't want to have. But if a man over the age of 18 expects women his age to have zero sexual experience so he can feel like a boss, that's on him. He had the same opportunities to date and have sex.
/r/PurplePillDebate27/11/23 03:26 PM
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What is wrong with you?
/r/PurplePillDebate27/11/23 03:24 PM
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Does doing that respect the ability to consent of the new guys they're lying to in order to sleep with? None of his business. He wasn't in her life then and doesn't have ownership rights prior to their entanglement. Men are crazy with this shit. If they are so worried about how much fun a woman had with previous partners, they should marry a virgin when they are young. If they didn't, oh well. Live with the choices.
/r/PurplePillDebate27/11/23 03:21 PM
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Men don't like sharing and attempt to lock a woman down as soon as possible. Surely you've seen women complaining about men smothering them, texting and messaging all day, showing up where they work, and monopolizing all their time? The insane jealousy of other male platonic friends? Men may not want the responsibilities of marriage and family, but they definitely want to claim ownership of a woman they like as early as possible.
/r/PurplePillDebate27/11/23 03:13 PM
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How could you possibly know this?
/r/PurplePillDebate27/11/23 03:11 PM
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There it is.
/r/PurplePillDebate27/11/23 02:11 PM
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“Aww, want me to massage it for you?”
/r/PurplePillDebate27/11/23 02:10 PM
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A new coworker stands in doorways stretching and flexing and whining about leg day or whatever. I almost recorded him an hour ago and considered blurring out his face and posting it, but I hate the idea of recording people without their consent. This guy is very short and prefers petite chubby women, he isn’t actually interested in me because I’m very tall. But I’m the only woman in the office so he bugs the shit out of me with his tales of heroism (he’s an amateur MMA fighter) and horseshit abo…
/r/PurplePillDebate27/11/23 02:10 PM
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I disagree. Almost every man can tell you all about the “hot server” or the sexy or cute cashier they assumed was flirting with them. Men cruise Facebook in search of vacation pics to jerk off to, look up old female classmates, and damn near constantly search for and find complete strangers on social media because they want some sort of attention from her.
/r/PurplePillDebate27/11/23 02:06 PM
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Dude racists, bigots, and conspiracy theorists presently use religion as an excuse to subjugate others. Seems like you’d admit that since your posts support the subjugation of women
/r/PurplePillDebate27/11/23 12:12 PM
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Does he need sympathy because he’s ill? Or is he whining for attention in front of women he wants to impress because he works out?
/r/PurplePillDebate27/11/23 12:10 PM
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This is the one. Pick me behavior is repellent.
/r/PurplePillDebate27/11/23 11:58 AM
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No one can fall in love with someone they don’t know.
/r/PurplePillDebate27/11/23 11:57 AM
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Simpering behavior, phony chivalry, blatant bids for attention (moaning about sore muscles after a workout, posing and stretching, loud and obnoxious behavior, putting down other men in an attempt to elevate themselves, “you’re not like other girls” comments, contrived reasons to converse with strangers.
/r/PurplePillDebate27/11/23 11:57 AM
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A complete lack of logic and reason, hostility towards science and evidence, racism and assorted bigotry, and the unapologetic cash grab which is organized religion indeed negates anything “good” and the subjugation of weaker peoples is not now and was never “good” by any metric.
/r/PurplePillDebate27/11/23 11:54 AM
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It isn’t a useless question. The vast majority of men spend all their time in public and work evaluating and ranking women into “fuckable” and “unfuckable” and ignore women’s humanity. While simultaneously complaining that women “ignore” them as potential sexual beings. It’s a ridiculous complaint and the OP addresses it perfectly.
/r/PurplePillDebate27/11/23 11:52 AM
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, I don't use socioeconomic class as anything like an important filter when determining if I find someone attractive or not This isn’t a virtue. It means your attraction is shallow and limited to physical attributes and you don’t care if you share common experiences, common values, and common goals. It means you’ll date or fuck a woman based on nothing other than her physical appearance. Pretending that women who care about who people are is discriminatory is gross.
/r/PurplePillDebate27/11/23 11:48 AM
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It’s the same for most women. Obviously attractive people stand out and are noticed and surreptitiously admired, but most women don’t entertain thoughts of pursuing and dating men who are far out of their range. It’s a passing glance, “Oh, he’s cute” and life goes on without action or fantasy.
/r/PurplePillDebate27/11/23 11:44 AM
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The same men can’t understand why they blend into the background noise as most women ignore men who eye fuck women. If they are overlooked but anywhere near average looking, it’s because of their thirsty behavior and mannerisms. It very easy to just look over and past men who appraise bodies and obviously attempt to get attention and eye contact. The men who are just normal and smile or make pleasant noises or small talk get an entirely different warm response.
/r/PurplePillDebate27/11/23 11:41 AM
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Oh my god, racism is human nature? Circumcision is human nature? Slavery? Be for real right now. Oppression of weaker people and various and sundry cruelty is not necessary for social harmony.
/r/PurplePillDebate27/11/23 11:28 AM
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Someone who would listen to your preferences, but (theoretically) use their wisdom to arrange the most stable and happy match available. Fathers chose whomever confirmed his social status, they have never historically or presently given a damn about their daughters’ personality or goals.
/r/PurplePillDebate27/11/23 01:00 AM
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At least there is one man willing to admit he doesn’t care if his partner is attracted.
/r/PurplePillDebate27/11/23 12:30 AM
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Yeah if she isn’t mutually excited in the beginning stages and can’t finish without a toy there is a dysfunction somewhere. Toys are a second stage level of fun.
/r/PurplePillDebate27/11/23 12:29 AM
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Men who pay for prostitutes didn’t “attract them”, they pay them.
/r/PurplePillDebate27/11/23 12:13 AM
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I’d see a confirmed death grip due to porn addiction and forget he ever existed. Toys are an addition for later in a mutually gratifying relationship. If they are needed in the initial mutually fascinated stages, someone suffers sexual dysfunction and that’s the end of excitement.
/r/PurplePillDebate26/11/23 11:59 PM
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I’m 27. I assure you that divorced middle aged man are not desirable for either their bodies, competence, or money. But there are an equal number of middle aged divorced women willing to consider their counterparts if they are somehow compatible.
/r/PurplePillDebate26/11/23 11:57 PM
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Voice of reason right here.
/r/PurplePillDebate26/11/23 11:43 PM
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That wasn’t the “nature” of the human race. That was cultural and political oppression.
/r/PurplePillDebate26/11/23 11:41 PM
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el. Women have limited options when theyre older No they don’t. This revenge fantasy is easily disproven as women initiate divorces at an astronomical rate the minute the kids are grown. Literally millions of divorced middle aged men seeking women. Have you heard of dating apps? Men exponentially outnumber women.
/r/PurplePillDebate26/11/23 11:40 PM
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Women laugh at men who hint at controlling them now. All those men who flip out when rejected all over social media? That’s them. Keep it up, women will have those cameras ready.
/r/PurplePillDebate26/11/23 11:24 PM
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That is your statement not mine. Mods? Reported a dozen times.
/r/PurplePillDebate26/11/23 11:23 PM
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So tell men to stop begging women to settle for them unless they are willing to accept dead bedrooms. There are two clear and distinct choices. Women commit to men they are mutually sexually attracted to, or women settle for men they are not and those men have no business demanding sexual favors for the duration of the marriage unless it’s on her terms. Cause straight men sure as fuck make it real clear they are not willing to allow people to use their holes unless they are mutually sexually att…
/r/PurplePillDebate26/11/23 11:21 PM
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Quote me. Show where I said anything about coke.
/r/PurplePillDebate26/11/23 11:17 PM
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women were controlled historically for a reason. Ha ha this is one of the many reasons women distance themselves from TRP men. Good luck with that!
/r/PurplePillDebate26/11/23 11:16 PM
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Seek help for your lying.
/r/PurplePillDebate26/11/23 11:13 PM
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YOU are the only person who made that horseshit claim.
/r/PurplePillDebate26/11/23 11:11 PM
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A pick me claims to be a better choice than the popular option. Which is the entire “high value male” agenda.
/r/PurplePillDebate26/11/23 11:09 PM
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What the fuck? I never said that what is wrong with you
/r/PurplePillDebate26/11/23 10:53 PM
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If your view of yourself is right then you will find the men on your level attractive The idea that men decide who women ought to be attracted to is crazypants. A man of average height and average weight is not his female counterparts “match” if he suffers weird fetishes. If he’s asocial. If he’s awkward. If he suffers premature ejaculation or death grip. If he has a strange relationship with his mommy. If he’s a moron or a conspiracy theorist. If he’s friendless. TRP men attempt to reduce mutua…
/r/PurplePillDebate26/11/23 10:50 PM
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I don’t violate the rules and terms much, but I do feel that men who have zero qualms about the idea of forcing women to endure a lifetime of sex with men they aren’t attracted to need serious professional help.
/r/PurplePillDebate26/11/23 10:42 PM
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Women love their friends, brothers, fathers, cousins, and uncles. Do you think a lack of sexual attraction is treating men like shit?
/r/PurplePillDebate26/11/23 09:03 PM
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So you are saying normal ass men are equal to a coke addict? If they aren’t attracted to them, normal ass men are equal to women, or brothers, cousins, fathers, or grandfathers. Yeah.
/r/PurplePillDebate26/11/23 08:53 PM
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gender. If you had a male brain and body, you'd behave differently, pretending this is not the case wastes both our time. Women cannot reveal their actual lust, how often they think of sex or masturbate without a blanket indictment by all men. Men castigate women for even considering pornography and shame any women for daring to wear yoga pants or go braless. They attack women who prefer men they are sexually attracted to. Men have no fucking idea who women actually are because women are forced …
/r/PurplePillDebate26/11/23 08:51 PM
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Women simultaneously have a far lower drive for sex and a far higher ability to get it. Myth. The only reason men believe this is because women often settle for “good men” due to religious or conservative pressure. Ask any man who has been with women who were attracted to them how “low” women’s sex drives are. Or date women who are mutually attracted and who lack cultural or religious inhibitions. Or visit any of the subs in which women freely offer their bodies and videos of them masturbating w…
/r/PurplePillDebate26/11/23 08:47 PM
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I’m going to ask you the same thing I asked another man with the same complaint. Are you willing to offer your holes and the use of your body for the duration of your marriage to someone who doesn’t excite you, someone you aren’t attracted to? For 5-60 years? Are you willing to allow a person to rut on your body, sweating and grunting while you lie beneath them demeaned, demoralized, dehumanized, and disgusted? Are you willing to spend (or subject your son) to decades of coercion, shaming, press…
/r/PurplePillDebate26/11/23 08:41 PM
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I’d advise a son to pursue women who are mutually attracted instead of screeching at women to somehow develop sexual interest. Seems like common sense.
/r/PurplePillDebate26/11/23 08:10 PM
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Plenty of women have spontaneous attraction to men. Most women have felt them tingles for a man at some point in her life and it didn't take weeks or months for it to form Then why have you been insisting for the duration of this thread that women can somehow develop sexual attraction for a man she isn’t interested in? What is your angle here? I feel pretty strongly that you aren’t actually concerned for women at all, nor worried about their mental health nor their dating status. What is your go…
/r/PurplePillDebate26/11/23 07:23 PM
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Now that there are a dozen responses, is this the space where women admit we understand why this vexes some men? We get it. If a man is considering flirting with or asking a woman out, or spending time fantasizing about her, he’s going to feel frustration or disappointment that she barely considers him at all, and doesn’t consider him a potential romantic or sexual partner. But that doesn’t mean she regards him as sub-human. It means he’s wasted his time and energy fantasizing about a woman who …
/r/PurplePillDebate26/11/23 07:07 PM
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No idea, go ask women who become attracted to men over time. Most women aren’t attracted to most men until they’ve established some sort of rapport and connection. That doesn’t mean that women deliberately or willfully become attracted to men. It means that men are just generic people until there is a mutual connection. Is this what you are misunderstanding? Do you feel that women consciously choose to feel sexual attraction for men? Because that isn’t it at all.
/r/PurplePillDebate26/11/23 07:03 PM
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Explain step by step how someone can simply become attracted to someone they are not. Then turn the same advice on every single man here who complains he doesn’t like obese or overweight women or women with piercings, tattoos, and colored hair and instruct those men to become attracted to women they are not.
/r/PurplePillDebate26/11/23 05:57 PM
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I don’t know what you are talking about. Respond to the male poster who made that comment, I certainly didn’t.
/r/PurplePillDebate26/11/23 05:35 PM
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If you believe this to be true than you and the other men here should have no trouble adjusting your physical attraction to the ugliest women within reach. Let me know how that works out.
/r/PurplePillDebate26/11/23 05:29 PM
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That’s a man speaking for other women, so why aren’t you responding to him?
/r/PurplePillDebate26/11/23 05:25 PM
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Quote it.
/r/PurplePillDebate26/11/23 05:16 PM
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I didn’t see anyone except you refer to human beings as objects, I certainly didn’t.
/r/PurplePillDebate26/11/23 05:08 PM
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If sexual attraction could somehow be created or negotiated, there would be no dead bedrooms, no cheating, and men and women would settle for the first platonic friend they shared values with.
/r/PurplePillDebate26/11/23 05:04 PM
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Maybe, if he’s asexual. If he expects a mutually gratifying sex life for the duration of the marriage, he isn’t going to have that with a woman who isn’t sexually attracted to him.
/r/PurplePillDebate26/11/23 04:46 PM
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There is no difference whatsoever and there is nothing wrong with regarding the average person as a person rather than a potential romantic or sexual partner.
/r/PurplePillDebate26/11/23 04:18 PM
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I’m not concerned about men’s discomfort with this reality. The entire “high value man” trope is nothing but men claiming they are not like the other guys.
/r/PurplePillDebate26/11/23 04:14 PM
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How is this any different from how men treat older women? Or obese women? Explain it.
/r/PurplePillDebate26/11/23 04:04 PM
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Blaming women for picking bad partners is a face-saving a work around for male pick-me behavior. What those men invariably mean is “she should have picked guys like me who are better choices than popular men”.
/r/PurplePillDebate26/11/23 04:03 PM
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All funny, relaxed men with easy grins and a good laugh are socially attractive to me. If those men also are strong with big shoulders and excellent posture they are also physically attractive…so long as they are around my age. Whether or not I find men attractive isn’t really important since I’m not attracted to anyone until or unless we’ve established some common interests and common experiences. There has to be chemistry and rapport before I even consider romance or sex. The vast majority of …
/r/PurplePillDebate26/11/23 04:00 PM
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You're missing or denying the point; he has no way to know how to be "awesome at sex" unless she communicates her needs and desires to him in a way that is intelligible to him. How did the first guy do so well?
/r/PurplePillDebate26/11/23 01:34 PM
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If she provided step by step instructions for the ex, she’ll do it for the new guy. If the ex figured it out without help, the new guy can, too. There isn’t a concrete plan for every potential event in a relationship. If two people are wildly excited by one another, sex will be mutually fun. When and if things get stale, each can provide explicit instructions for how to improve.
/r/PurplePillDebate26/11/23 01:14 PM
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As far as I know I’ve never seen your username so how bout you forget mine?
/r/PurplePillDebate26/11/23 12:57 PM
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You’ve made it exceedingly clear that you feel sex and sexual attraction shouldn’t be important to women and they should “compromise” and settle for men they aren’t attracted to. After all, it’s only a lifetime of sex with someone they don’t want. What could go wrong.
/r/PurplePillDebate26/11/23 12:44 PM
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So… this is a shopping list for women who want to repel red pilled men? Clothes that are too tight, too short and/or show too much cleavage Brands like Shein and Fashion Nova Visible logos/fake designer brands Faux fur/faux leather Animal prints (leopard/zebra) Ripped tights Booty shorts Leggings when not doing sports Braless in public
/r/PurplePillDebate26/11/23 01:53 AM
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If she isn’t excited and attracted, is he still going to want sex from her for the duration of their marriage? Yes or no? Is he going to coerce or pressure her or threaten divorce? Yes or no? Is he going to complain to friend’s and coworkers and post on r/ deadbedrooms about what a shitty wife he has, even though he knew all along she wasn’t getting sexual gratification like he was? Yes or no? What happens when a woman settles for a man she isn’t sexually attracted to? Does his sexual desire mag…
/r/PurplePillDebate26/11/23 12:21 AM
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Want more of your quotes insisting that women can “compromise” and endure 30-50 years of one sided use of their bodies with men they aren’t attracted to?
/r/PurplePillDebate25/11/23 11:52 PM
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The overwhelming majority of men want female partners who are enthusiastically consenting. Oh really? Who’s this? u/BCRE8TVE >Learning to compromise and settle is part of growing up and maturing in reality, refusing to compromise and refusing to settle is at best highly idealistic and at worst extremely immature.
/r/PurplePillDebate25/11/23 11:29 PM
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Most people date within their social group and values. If someone is ghosted, the lack of chemistry is due to the lack of rapport and common experience. Gold diggers and foodie dates are myth men use as an excuse not to date.
/r/PurplePillDebate25/11/23 09:24 PM
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I’d recommend therapy for all the men who assume that coercing sex out of women who aren’t sexually attracted. They’d realize it’s a non-zero experience if they’d consider providing their holes to people they are not attracted to. Women who date men they are sexually attracted to do not need therapy. Men who insist that women date or marry men they are not attracted to do need therapy.
/r/PurplePillDebate25/11/23 08:29 PM
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In my experience it was religious girls. But they were also pretty mean. Ha ha two people sent me this Gif. I guess it’s a common experience. https://images.app.goo.gl/beT6L4tXPwoiKaTc6 (It’s a clip from the movie Saved, apparently, which I’m going to watch with my foster sisters tonight. Thanks for the recommendation)
/r/PurplePillDebate25/11/23 07:37 PM
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It’s fine if you don’t want to talk about it, as I said, very few men here can handle the idea of being sexually repulsive to specific women. Even those men who have been in dead bedrooms themselves, even those men who read relationship threads and are familiar with dead bedrooms. Somehow men are certain women can be coerced or forced to submit and still be happy, that sharing a home is a fair tradeoff for access to her body for eternity. But any woman who prefers mutually gratifying sex cannot …
/r/PurplePillDebate25/11/23 07:22 PM
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When will men ever consider what it would be like to allow a human to use their body for one sided sexual gratification for 30-50 years? Bear in mind men swear they are attracted to far more women than men are men. Bear in mind many of men’s porn searches are based on a single body part or their ideal of a perfect body. This is why women insist that men consider the idea of sex with someone they are not attracted to, because men insist “almost any woman will do”. But sex sn’t like that for women…
/r/PurplePillDebate25/11/23 07:10 PM
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It’s “I prefer a man who is invested in my happiness and goals as well, not an entitled one dimensional man who only cares if I can replace his Mommy.”
/r/PurplePillDebate25/11/23 05:15 PM
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Listen, we need to talk. This isn’t working out for me, I’m just not feeling it. Enjoyed the drink though, good luck.
/r/PurplePillDebate25/11/23 05:14 PM
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Men complain about women constantly, people confide in their friends when experiencing typical frustrations. Askmen and every relationship/marriage/dating sub is dominated by men complaining about their frustrations with women. Searching for fault in typical human behavior is ridiculous.
/r/PurplePillDebate25/11/23 04:27 PM
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I’ve noticed the opposite trend. Orbiters whining that women choose bad men because any woman who dares to share the typical, common complaints of relationship troubles or breakups should never confide in male friends, lest they interpret the complaints as a call to action. As in “I’ve watched my friend flat mistreated in three relationships now and she never picks a nice guy like me who would never cheat or forget her birthday”
/r/PurplePillDebate25/11/23 04:24 PM
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I’ve noticed that orbiters love to blame women for choosing bad partners when they hear women complain about typical, common relationship problems because they hope it’s a call to action. I’ve had this conversation dozens of times here and I’ve had to explain that most people don’t marry their first love and breakups are painful, but they are not a call to action.
/r/PurplePillDebate25/11/23 04:21 PM
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A passing glance isn’t noticed by anyone.
/r/PurplePillDebate25/11/23 03:37 PM
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I don’t know what you are talking about but if Chad is persistent when staring at or approaching a woman who isn’t interested, he’s creepy.
/r/PurplePillDebate25/11/23 01:58 PM
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Humans live in a society and follow lots of inconvenient social conventions. It's inconvenient to eat beside of messy, screaming kids, and inconvenient to shop when toddlers are running around the aisle crashing into things and generally being loud and disruptive, but kids have to learn and grow, so most of us simply smile benevolently and walk around them. It's inconvenient to wait in line when bigger and strong people could just muscle their way to the front. Bras suck for many women and it wo…
/r/PurplePillDebate25/11/23 01:15 PM
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Stop lying.
/r/PurplePillDebate25/11/23 12:58 PM
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No. It’s the behavior. Unwanted attention, especially persistent unwanted attention is creepy and the guy who does it is a creep. It doesn’t matter if he’s gorgeous and every woman in the office fantasizes about him. If Cavil/Hemsworth/Chalamet/Pratt keeps staring at the married woman and keeps trying to flirt with her, he’s a creep. He’s creepy.
/r/PurplePillDebate25/11/23 12:37 PM
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I have a peculiar eye color and no one has ever told me I’ve unnerved them or made them uncomfortable. It’s not your eye color.
/r/PurplePillDebate25/11/23 12:32 PM
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Your point is about “fairness”, which is horseshit. There is no fairness. A woman doesn’t mind if a man she is interested in stares at her or approaches. Because that is wanted attention. A woman is uncomfortable if a man she doesn’t like persists in starting and approaching. The different is wanted versus unwanted attention. If a woman is married and disinterested in the most attractive man in the office and the most attractive man in the office stares at her and approaches and flirts despite h…
/r/PurplePillDebate25/11/23 12:25 PM
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If you are from a country with a culture so insular that you have zero contact with women, why in the world are you participating on a message board with a largely western population and expecting to find people who can relate? If women are so very important to you, why did you choose the education and career you knew would be exclusively male? I doubt we have anything to discuss here.
/r/PurplePillDebate25/11/23 12:15 PM
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Unwanted attention is creepy. If attractive man stared at you Wanted attention is not creepy. Every human prefers attention from people they find attractive versus people they do not, including creepy men. Creepy men prefer attractive women, too.
/r/PurplePillDebate25/11/23 12:12 PM
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Did he glance in their direction or stare at them? Both men and women who stare can be described as creepy. Social convention requires basic manners, people who ignore social convention are creepy.
/r/PurplePillDebate25/11/23 12:09 PM
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Creepy describes unwanted attention or behavior. If someone doesn’t want to flirt with or talk to a person and they keep trying, that’s creepy. If the person leers or stares rudely, that’s creepy. Yes, even if Jeremy does exactly the same thing as Chad, he’s being creepy if she doesn’t want Jeremy’s attention.
/r/PurplePillDebate25/11/23 12:08 PM
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Though, how much it really affects your life? Do you have any real experience and examples of being shamed for sexuality? Not at all, not even when I lived in the Bible Belt and attended school with kids who routinely went to Catholic or Protestant church. Not even when I lived near a large Mormon population. Because all those kids were having sex and lying about it. Catholics and Mormons were having anal sex, giving handjobs, and petting through clothing until orgasm. And lying about it. My par…
/r/PurplePillDebate25/11/23 12:04 PM
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You absolutely described yourself as human and complex and women as less-than. Othering women is also objectifying, not just considering the use of their bodies for sexual pleasure. You could try to empathize instead of painting me as monster I said you other women and regard them as an entirely different species than yourself. I am unaware of any education or career choice which has no women, nor are their any hobbies which exclude women entirely. Miss me with this black pill “monster” shit, I …
/r/PurplePillDebate25/11/23 11:52 AM
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Women don’t give sex to men they are attracted to, they enjoy sex with men they are attracted to. Don’t pretend I said otherwise. But in your scenario, using your exact words: “ refusing to compromise and refusing to settle is at best highly idealistic and at worst extremely immature.” If she settled for a husband she isn’t attracted to, he will expect and pressure her to give sex for 30-50 years. This isn’t a “compromise” she’s supposed to make, he’s using her body as a fleshlight. Sex should b…
/r/PurplePillDebate25/11/23 11:46 AM
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Yeah, it'd be extremely hard to relate. ? I think woman of my age doesn't like things I do and doesn't work in a field I do. She has way more sexual and relationship experience, she has richer social life, she doesn't face any of the issues I do and her life was generally easier and happier than mine. Yeah, it'd be extremely hard to relate. Comprehensive definition of objectification right there. Great job othering women and regarding them as objects, less than human. That’s entirely due to the …
/r/PurplePillDebate25/11/23 11:32 AM
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Let me ask you some things. Do people who don’t have a dog run the same risk of dog bites as people who own dogs? Yes or no? Do people who live alone experience domestic violence at the same rate as people who live with a partner? Yes or no? You know the answers, so why do men in the manosphere echo chamber keep passing around these false claims? Domestic violence occurs because of proximity and opportunity. The person you spend 16-24 hours per day with, share life’s stressors with, children, fa…
/r/PurplePillDebate25/11/23 11:28 AM
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It doesn’t work but the pull of the crab bucket is too much and men can’t leave. Other men make them feel hopeless with all the black pill horseshit.
/r/PurplePillDebate24/11/23 10:41 PM
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Dude if men were any good at giving advice there wouldn’t be hundreds to thousands of long haulers in the pick up and TRP subs. Half these men are in their fifties or older. They don’t have a clue.
/r/PurplePillDebate24/11/23 10:07 PM
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You must be new here. Every third post is a man screeching that women lied to him, won’t be honest about what attracts them, and demand to know where and when to approach women.
/r/PurplePillDebate24/11/23 09:48 PM
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No one can help men who won’t look in the mirror, refuse to accept that unattractive men are paired off all over the world, who demand the “secret” to attracting women. Men can’t help them either, they are caught in the spin cycle just repeating for weeks, months, and sometimes years that women are too shallow, women’s standards are too high, and that women only choose attractive men when they can clearly see the opposite is true.
/r/PurplePillDebate24/11/23 09:41 PM
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Women give the advice which fits the man. He’s too ugly or weird to get the women he finds attractive? Them maybe he can appeal to women with a lower sex drive and find a “nice girl” who will appreciate his other attributes. He’s too much of a loner to get the attention of popular girls? Well, women can’t tell him to “just be popular”, but women will tell him to find another loner. Men don’t want practical advice. They want cheat codes and panaceas because they can’t objectively consider their l…
/r/PurplePillDebate24/11/23 09:35 PM
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I haven’t said men need to self-improve. I have said they need to develop some social skills and learn to relate to women if they don’t want to repel women.
/r/PurplePillDebate24/11/23 09:31 PM
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But for some reason women think it's their God-given right to never have to settle for anything less than everything they want, If you think being pressured to lie beneath a rutting man she is not attracted to for 30-50 years is a compromise you don’t understand sex and sexuality at all. That isn’t compromise. That’s abuse. And the idea that men are okay taking sex for decades from a woman who isn’t equally excited is utterly repulsive.
/r/PurplePillDebate24/11/23 09:30 PM
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Ask almost any woman where she learned how to feel defensive or nervous around men, and she will tell you from her father, he pastor, he brothers, and uncles. When men say “Don’t wear this and don’t go there because I know how boys are” and “Because I was a boy once and I know how they think and behave” why shouldn’t women take their advice? Especially when the only men who take offense are the very men who admittedly want something from women?
/r/PurplePillDebate24/11/23 08:01 PM
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Did the same men teach themselves to drive by playing GTA?
/r/PurplePillDebate24/11/23 07:40 PM
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Most people want traditional aspects when it suits them and turn around and not want to do the same aspects. This goes both ways. It’s been established that traditional masculine roles are not within reach of most men demanding tradwives. Most men seeking traditional roles are not physically strong, they have soft gamer bodies and rounded shoulders, they do not command respect from others, they are not competent with household upkeep and repairs, they want to teach their children how to play Cal…
/r/PurplePillDebate24/11/23 07:38 PM
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I didn’t say “attractive”, I said “attracted to”. Plenty of unattractive couples paired up and content with one another, by choice. Settling for someone due to social pressure isn’t by choice. Changing my words to pretend I referenced the “top 20%”nonsense is not a good faith argument.
/r/PurplePillDebate24/11/23 07:28 PM
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Most men want sex. Most women want relationship benefits. This is one of the most tone-deaf refrains in this sub. No woman wants a relationship with a man she is physically repelled by, and if he wants sex for the duration of their marriage, she’s going to be coerced or pressured to serve as his human fleshlight. The solution is for men to get it through their heads that women want to have sex with men they are attracted to. Not settle for lying beneath a sweating, rutting ogre for eternity just…
/r/PurplePillDebate24/11/23 07:19 PM
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Just go look at couples who are out shopping this weekend if you want to know about women’s preferences. You don’t need women to spell it out, just use your eyes. You’ll find quickly there are just as many unattractive men with partners as attractive.
/r/PurplePillDebate24/11/23 07:11 PM
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The fake comments on fake profiles men here link to constantly are fake. There are no sources for it, it’s clearly cobbled together oh Photoshop and fake messaging apps and men here don’t just believe it actually happens without evidence, they obediently share and link to grifter content.
/r/PurplePillDebate24/11/23 04:13 PM
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Why in the world do men keep believing ragebait? Stop paying grifters’ bills.
/r/PurplePillDebate24/11/23 04:07 PM
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“Get the ball rolling” = “get her drunk” “lower her inhibitions” “put beer goggles on her” If it weren’t such a shady practice, it might be worth more respect. Maybe offer women a non-alcoholic beverage and we’ll renegotiate the terms of the contract.
/r/PurplePillDebate24/11/23 04:06 PM
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Gotta walk before you can run. If a man has no female friends or worse, actively dislikes women, he can’t possibly expect to figure out flirting and mutual attraction.
/r/PurplePillDebate24/11/23 03:58 PM
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None, there is none. A ten dollar drink can’t buy attraction. Lottery tickets would be a better investment.
/r/PurplePillDebate24/11/23 03:57 PM
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Does he possess free will? Why in the world is he paying for a woman’s attention? We both know the implied contract is designed to get her drunk and loosen her inhibitions so she will consider sex with a man she otherwise wouldn’t. It’s an outdated, grotesque behavior and it’s groveling. I buy beer for lots of people. Friends, the acquaintance who just got promoted, the man or woman who wrecked the bike or got hurt playing ball, the man or woman who scored the winning run or winning game point. …
/r/PurplePillDebate24/11/23 03:31 PM
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It’s worse than the idea of forced unions. It’s the idea that women are community property; a shared commodity rather than people. Frustrated men reliably point out that attractive, popular men get laid for merely existing, so unattractive, unpopular men deserve the same. They don’t acknowledge the rights of women to choose a partner; they want women divided up and distributed equally among all men as though women are an agricultural product or basic human right.
/r/PurplePillDebate24/11/23 03:24 PM
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How do women?
/r/PurplePillDebate24/11/23 02:40 PM
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Oh, you called it a favor. So now you admit it's an attempt to obligate a woman's time and attention. then why does she accept the perks of the contract she has no interest in fulfilling? She fulfilled her obligation by accepting the drink. She isn't obligated to like him or feel attraction. Hopefully younger men will learn something from this thread. 1) Don't treat women like prostitutes 2) Don't pretend something is free when it is not 3) If a man has to pay a woman to even chat with him, he h…
/r/PurplePillDebate24/11/23 02:28 PM
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But it isn’t consecutively and there are dozens of other things to do including holding, playing with, and helping infants and kids achieve milestones as well as taking care of the home, the rest of the family, and herself. Anyone who minimizes the work and responsibilities of raising children is either leaving the work to someone else or neglecting their children.
/r/PurplePillDebate24/11/23 02:12 PM
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Because the very action of giving an alcoholic beverage to a woman is designed to reduced her inhibitions and obligate her time and attention. It was never a gift or a freebie, it was a contract.
/r/PurplePillDebate24/11/23 02:04 PM
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I wouldn’t refer to obligating a woman’s time and attention with an alcoholic beverage a value at all. It’s the opposite.
/r/PurplePillDebate24/11/23 01:57 PM
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For how many months or years did your children sleep 16 hours a day with no interruptions, no changing, no feeding, no playing, bonding, or other stimulating activities infants need in order to hit milestones and grow? Be reasonable right now.
/r/PurplePillDebate24/11/23 01:41 PM
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Safe to assume you’re from a culture in which extended families all share one home, or mothers live with their sons’ families as in many Eastern cultures? Because I’m racking my brain to remember a single friend whose job just happens to be conveniently near the grandparents. Maybe you don’t realize how large the US is, and that some cities are so very crowded that even driving across the city to dump kids on grandparents can take over an hour, and that doesn’t include a work commute. If my pare…
/r/PurplePillDebate24/11/23 01:39 PM
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I’ve never been nervous around men, no. I grew up with brothers and male friends. I don’t expect anything from a crush unless or until I’m certain he’s mutually attracted. But men here project their one sided desire onto women heavily, as evidenced by the constant complaints about the “friendzone”, and men here admit they have no female friends. This is the crux of the discussion. Treating women as alien others and projecting feelings onto them is what leads to nervous and unreasonable expectati…
/r/PurplePillDebate24/11/23 01:32 PM
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Not a parent, huh? Infants eat every 2-4 hours and need diaper changes more often than that. Post eating they require burping and cuddling and brain stimulating activities in order to them to develop and grow. Many babies struggle with digestive issues for a number of reasons. Babies also get sick frequently because their immune systems aren’t robust for several years. It’s a round the clock job and it’s damn near impossible to take care of all the other chores, the other kids, and catch a showe…
/r/PurplePillDebate24/11/23 01:29 PM
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What? Who sees asking extended family to help with kids as immoral? I’m saying that most people don’t have two living and healthy retired grandparents to ditch the kids on daily.
/r/PurplePillDebate24/11/23 01:09 PM
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If both are alive. If both are healthy enough to care for infants and toddlers. If both live nearby. Yours is a very unlikely scenario for most people.
/r/PurplePillDebate24/11/23 01:01 PM
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And plenty of ugly men have partners, as evidenced by any trip to Walmart. What are those ugly men doing well?
/r/PurplePillDebate24/11/23 12:54 PM
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I’ve never seen anyone criticize competence before, it’s a peculiar take for sure.
/r/PurplePillDebate24/11/23 10:16 AM
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Please stop paying for women’s time and attention, it was never a good idea. It was always toxic behavior on men’s part and most women under forty don’t trust men who do this, anyway.
/r/PurplePillDebate24/11/23 09:50 AM
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Men say this as though there is some benefit to his friendship in particular when he was never a decent friend in the first place.
/r/PurplePillDebate24/11/23 09:21 AM
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It was a rhetorical question, I referenced OS in the parent comment you replied to.
/r/PurplePillDebate24/11/23 09:17 AM
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If you can answer the previous question, you’ll understand why you’ve misinterpreted your claims about domestic violence.
/r/PurplePillDebate24/11/23 04:58 AM
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Do you know why most car accidents happen within five miles of the home? Can you explain that to me?
/r/PurplePillDebate24/11/23 04:30 AM
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I have no doubt that many men in the crab bucket would love the opportunity to beat a woman or multiple women. Most women know that, too.
/r/PurplePillDebate24/11/23 04:27 AM
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Not if you enjoy seeing women get hurt.
/r/PurplePillDebate24/11/23 04:25 AM
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When a man and a woman love each other very much and get married, sometimes they have a kid or a few and spend 10-16 hours of most days together. Sometimes they encounter stressors like financial difficulties, substance abuse, illness, issues with extended family, job loss, jealousy, infidelity, and the usual and sundry difficulties of adult life. Since they are sharing these stressors and spending most of their time together, there are thousands more opportunities to lash out in anger. Converse…
/r/PurplePillDebate24/11/23 04:21 AM
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You really don’t actually understand how proximity and opportunity figure into violence, do you? Do you want me to explain it for you?
/r/PurplePillDebate24/11/23 04:08 AM
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Oh, there you are. I knew you’d pop up again, I should have recognized you when you started spamming every one of my comments. Good luck on your search for another ban.
/r/PurplePillDebate24/11/23 04:07 AM
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*anti red pill bias Men are great. The crab pot which is the red pill is a virulent pus-filled cult which causes young men irreparable emotional harm.
/r/PurplePillDebate24/11/23 03:59 AM
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Still a better choice than woman hating misogynists who are guaranteed to bring violence and seething rage to a marriage.
/r/PurplePillDebate24/11/23 03:56 AM
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Mmm someone could consider proximity and opportunity before pretending that women choose violent men.
/r/PurplePillDebate24/11/23 03:47 AM
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Thus confirming that rejection is risky indeed. Please see r/whenwomenrefuse
/r/PurplePillDebate24/11/23 03:41 AM
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So following a rule that involves granting value to others is Not a big fan of The Constitution, huh? The ERA must have really bunched your panties.
/r/PurplePillDebate24/11/23 03:39 AM
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You minimized the risks of allowing a man to take a drunk woman home. Joking around and calling it cockblocking when it has the potential to ruin multiple lives is hideously antisocial.
/r/PurplePillDebate24/11/23 03:37 AM
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Do you… do you feel she shouldn’t have chosen the man she’s physically attracted to over the man she isn’t? Pussy isn’t community property, neither are women. They are whole- ass human beings with brains and agendas of their own.
/r/PurplePillDebate24/11/23 03:36 AM
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I assumed readers knew that I was facetiously providing the counterpart to the OP’s demand for femininity, knowing full well damn never every PPD man would bristle at the list of traditionally masculine traits. Building a gaming PC and refusing to get fresh air ain’t it.
/r/PurplePillDebate24/11/23 03:30 AM
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Wtd is “real world action”?
/r/PurplePillDebate24/11/23 03:17 AM
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Is there an apology about the unholy terror which is childbirth? Anything at all about the carnage and catastrophic destruction of the birth canal and perineum?
/r/PurplePillDebate24/11/23 03:16 AM
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What reason do men have to relate to most women on any deep level So don’t. Fight them off with a stick.
/r/PurplePillDebate24/11/23 02:41 AM
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I don’t need to “like” a scholar who got a couple things right. But anyone over the age of 13 should have a passing familiarity with basic ethics. Sadly many people here didn’t pay attention in school.
/r/PurplePillDebate24/11/23 02:40 AM
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Kant is as an asshole, common for his ilk in that time. But he got this right. Here is a simplification for people who don’t understand. You’re welcome. “ If a person is an end-in-themself it means their inherent value doesn't depend on anything else - it doesn't depend on whether the person is enjoying their life, or making other people's lives better. We exist, so we have value.”
/r/PurplePillDebate24/11/23 02:38 AM
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You want examples? Take a look at the legions of PPD men who claim that women purposely choose violent men as partners over “kind gentlemen” and nearly all men claim that women are “safer” than men. And if you have to ask why they are hilariously wrong, don’t.
/r/PurplePillDebate24/11/23 01:29 AM
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Toxic masculinity has fuck-all to do with women. It’s the ridiculous social pressure men put on one another and themselves to uphold some ancient John Wayne/Clint Eastwood level of competence, stoicism, and potential for violence against anyone weaker. It ain’t women calling men pussies. It’s how men treat one another. It’s men’s problem, not women’s. Men are on their own here. Women can’t fix this one with a bandaid and soothing words.
/r/PurplePillDebate24/11/23 12:38 AM
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If you don’t care about men risking rape charges and unwanted pregnancy, 18 years of child support and the shame and social pressure of taking part in their own children’s lives because of ten minutes of unrestrained sex, why should men? Go for it. Let your friends make life changing and potentially punitive decisions. The rest of us will look out for our friends and take care of them and extend that care to strangers and potentially neglected children.
/r/PurplePillDebate24/11/23 12:35 AM
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It’s the same thing, not sure what the problem is. Don’t let people you care about make life-changing decisions for at least three people. Calling it cock blocking is ignoring the very real risks of rape, STIs, and unwanted pregnancy. Men don’t want unwanted pregnancy or rape charges, either, so minimizing the risk is antisocial.
/r/PurplePillDebate24/11/23 12:32 AM
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Toxic femininity is precisely the same as toxic masculinity, both are pick me behaviors. “He isn’t a real man if he cries and can’t win a fight and /she isn’t a real woman if she can’t clean a house and swallow cum”
/r/PurplePillDebate24/11/23 12:26 AM
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Hemsworth hasn’t been filmed or quoted making fun of weaker, sensitive and unpopular men, so why in the world would you use him as an example of toxic masculinity?
/r/PurplePillDebate24/11/23 12:22 AM
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Friends don’t let friends get raped.
/r/PurplePillDebate24/11/23 12:18 AM
9

Are you serious? Because she’s clearly drunk
/r/PurplePillDebate24/11/23 12:11 AM
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What “service” do men expect from buying a drink? People buy drinks for friends all the time without expecting sexual favors. For the band, for the guy with the hilarious stories, for the woman who shared she got a promotion. What specifically do men expect for spending less than ten bucks on a woman?
/r/PurplePillDebate23/11/23 11:59 PM
0

Excellent woman repellent, if that’s their goal.
/r/PurplePillDebate23/11/23 11:57 PM
3

It’s an easy question.
/r/PurplePillDebate23/11/23 11:23 PM
2

What is your definition of masculine?
/r/PurplePillDebate23/11/23 11:23 PM
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In a world where commercial fortunes have been made by the creation and sale of drink protectors, men rape unconscious, alcohol poisoned women in filthy alleys behind dumpsters and and code words and hand signs are necessary for women’s safety, women need sober women to look out for them. It is not safe to let drunk friends wander off with strange men. If he is angry and frustrated, let’s see how attractive he is to a sober woman.
/r/PurplePillDebate23/11/23 10:49 PM
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There seems to be an almost universal understanding at least in the west that extremely masculine behaviours are usually stemming from deep set insecurity and dysfunctional upbringing So a man who can repair broken machinery, lift heavy weights, and move a ball ten yards down a field is a deeply insecure person? Perhaps you could define masculine behaviors, because the claim that masculine behaviors reveal insecurity sounds sus.
/r/PurplePillDebate23/11/23 10:45 PM
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Maybe men should stop attempting to obligate women’s time and attention with alcohol and use their words and personality to make an impression.
/r/PurplePillDebate23/11/23 10:40 PM
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How is she supposed to know if he sucks before they chat? How is she supposed to know if the attraction is mutual before they talk? If a man can’t start or hold a conversation without paying for it with a drink, what’s the likelihood the interaction is going in his favor?
/r/PurplePillDebate23/11/23 10:38 PM
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What service does a single drink purchase? Because it sure sounds like men willfully and deliberately attempt to obligate a woman’s attention and her services with the inauthentic, horseshit offer to buy a drink.
/r/PurplePillDebate23/11/23 10:36 PM
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If he wants romance or sex from me and I don’t, he can accept platonic friendship or get lost.
/r/PurplePillDebate23/11/23 10:14 PM
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Now I kind of want to rank the monsters of classical mythology and legend on a winners to losers scale to demonstrate how this works. Oh please oh please. I'd love to discuss the White Knight, the ogres of Disney legend, and the archetypal Chad Himself: Hercules. But let's start with Aesop's Fox, please, who so loved the delicious grapes until he realized he couldn't reach the grapes, then proceeded to create multiple subs on women to foster hatred of grapes.
/r/PurplePillDebate23/11/23 09:27 PM
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That's why I said cut the shit, you've obviously seen the flawed character which is Harley Quinn. Not my fault Eve disobeyed the Lord first before Adam. God still punished them both if you ever bothered to actually read the Bible. Are you familiar with the concept of Original Sin or not? Are you going to deny that every single arm of Abrahamic religion portrays women as Occasions to Sin, that school dress codes against showing shoulders or bra straps are inspired by men's inability to control th…
/r/PurplePillDebate23/11/23 09:22 PM
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because you'd say that a guy who did see her as having a life outside of her ability to satisfy his needs sees her as merely a means to an end just because he has needs. Okay, I'm aware that many, many men on PPD and TRP have never taken Statistics 101, but how can men also have no understanding of basic Philosophy, which is required curriculum necessary to understand history and politics? Were most of them homeschooled? I don't get it. If you don't understand the most elementary concept in phil…
/r/PurplePillDebate23/11/23 09:17 PM
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Well then I assume you are lost and only arrived at the discussion of popular fiction because you followed a username here. No point in continuing unless you plan to consider the OP and the context.
/r/PurplePillDebate23/11/23 09:05 PM
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They identify with Gump, the accidental hero despite his disability. Every woman who didn't properly appreciate him and offer marriage and oral sex on demand is apparently the villain. I want to feel frustration but this is just a tragic epiphany. My brother and his friends are all on the spectrum. He jumped up halfway through the movie he was required to watch for a writing class and refused to watch it. I wrote his paper without understanding what pissed him off. I assumed it was the historica…
/r/PurplePillDebate23/11/23 09:03 PM
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Honey... have you seen fiction? Are you aware of how many movies portray women as villains? "Mean girl" is a constant trope, as is "gold digger", "shitty mother", as is whore. Monroe and Bacall in How to Marry a Millionaire. Theron in 2 Days in the Valley. On this long weekend, I suggest you watch San Giacomo's character in Sex, Lies, and Videotape,. Watch Robie as Harely Quinn. Spacek in Carrie. Actually, damn near every woman in a King film. What sort of victim complex leads you to believe tha…
/r/PurplePillDebate23/11/23 09:00 PM
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Did you bother to read the OP you are posting in, or do you, two, believe that fiction is real life? Forest Gump is not a documentary...
/r/PurplePillDebate23/11/23 08:52 PM
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Yep. It's not complicated. I suspect their porn histories reflect a similar bent.
/r/PurplePillDebate23/11/23 08:50 PM
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You call women discussing neglect, abuse, and unprofessional behavior "bigotry". That says everything I need to know about your fascination with TwoX.
/r/PurplePillDebate23/11/23 08:48 PM
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It's wild how often TRP and PPD men refer to fiction as though it's canon and applicable advice about how to human. Perhaps some people aren't mentally equipped to appreciate or understand fiction and fantasy. Perhaps they should stick to documentaries or avoid anything with any semblance of art or social dilemmas.
/r/PurplePillDebate23/11/23 08:46 PM
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How many of those are you and your alts? How many of those subscribers are other men who are obsessed and fixated on that sub who shitpost and crosspost in order to incite brigades? A former mod here posted a TwoX thread every single day. Never missed a single thread and frequently posted comments in order to encourage downvotes from other disenfranchised men. How many of those subscribers are actually active participants or even women at all?
/r/PurplePillDebate23/11/23 08:43 PM
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What would you call the pick up subs like seduction, and each of the pick up subs which are private? I'm a member of many of them on an alt, and the things men post about women are horrifying and would get many of those men added to the FBI watchlist. I wouldn't be suprised if every single male member of TRP, Men's Rights, and the former but now private subs for MGTOW and AllPill are also on that list for their unbridled hatred and threats towards certain violence due to their incel status. Mean…
/r/PurplePillDebate23/11/23 08:41 PM
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Women aren't allowed to say "He's after sex" without a dozen long winded lectures about how TRP and PPD men are superior choices to Chad because they also want a wife and mother to their children, not just sex. Apparently those men believe that sex is bad, or that women believe that sex is bad and they bristle and puff up like insulted cats if anyone implies they might be motivated to seek sex.
/r/PurplePillDebate23/11/23 08:33 PM
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I think it only serves to give the advice-giver a sense of "I am progressive and pure while this poor incel must be confused and think women are objects" Nice edit. It means "If he only talks to a woman because he wants something from her, she's not going to trust him. And if she isn't romantically or sexually interested and he persists anyway, she should run because he's going to become a pest or stalker".
/r/PurplePillDebate23/11/23 08:30 PM
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If you're a particularly unappealing man, there's a good chance that the majority of your interactions with women end with being brushed off or outright shooed honestly. If he's showing unwanted romantic or sexual interest? Yeah, obviously that isn't welcome.
/r/PurplePillDebate23/11/23 08:25 PM
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I can't be the only person utterly grossed out by the mischaracterization of both characters as moral/amoral, right? But this is the same sub where men swear they learned to persist and stalk women because of nerd-gets-the-girl movies, which they clearly never completed, because the only nerd which got the girl raped her. (Revenge of the Nerds)
/r/PurplePillDebate23/11/23 08:16 PM
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Good lord. I realize OP is an attempt at drawing a conclusion from fiction, but Gump, despite all his charms, was an expressionless mouth breather who had terrible posture, dressed like a child, lacked any semblance of social skills and was the epitome of the fish-out-of-water trope while also displaying terrible judgment. Newsflash: Gump isn't Hanks. Hoffman isn't Rainman. and Stiller isn't Simple Jack. The expressionless, awkward, and easily confused and easily frustrated characters are unattr…
/r/PurplePillDebate23/11/23 08:13 PM
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The men with women around them are the ones women wanted to be around in the first place. Yep. Most people prefer to spend time with likeable, easy going, fun people vs an intense, focused man who is clearly only talking to a woman because he wants something from her and not because he's just generally interested in her as a person or a potential friend. Most women are skittish wtf. Most women are people, and if a man she isn't attracted to dials in on her with laser focus, she isn't skittish, s…
/r/PurplePillDebate23/11/23 08:03 PM
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It's men who are at ease with women, who have female friends, who hang out with women, who play sports or goof around with women, who eat lunch and shop with women... You know. Men who don't only interact with women they want romance or sex from.
/r/PurplePillDebate23/11/23 07:45 PM
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But for a handsome dude, he must treat women great because he gets girlfriends. Do you notice anything different about the behavior of popular men vs men who aren't successful with women? Which men have no problem working with women, studying with women, or chatting with female strangers of any age? Which men dial in with laser focus on the woman they have a crush on regardless of her level of interest?
/r/PurplePillDebate23/11/23 07:17 PM
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What assumptions are bigoted?
/r/PurplePillDebate23/11/23 07:00 PM
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That's such a nebulous statement as to be useless. ... you don't know what it means? Kant is standard 8th grade introduction to philosophy If a guy has tomantic needs, he must ipso facto be treating women like a means to an end... If he doesn't respect her life outside of whatever romance and sex she provides, yes, that's precisely how he sees her. That's how most men here see women, because (glances back at the title and OP) men here don't regard women as fully realized human beings with the sa…
/r/PurplePillDebate23/11/23 06:44 PM
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You aware that the entire practice of medicine, health care, and each and every vaccine and cure was created and implemented by people with an education? Logical, rational people who don't screech about contrails, adenochrome and DNA altering vaccines, but who are entirely responsible for the existence of most humans today who would have died in infancy of TB, Polio, whooping cough, and rubella? The morons who brought chicken pox back to life did nothing to "build the world" but they are certain…
/r/PurplePillDebate23/11/23 06:40 PM
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Why in the hell would a man be nervous around women? They are the people he grew up with in school. The people he works with. The people he sees working and socializing in public spaces. The only reason a man would be nervous around a woman is if he regards them as someone different than human? Some other species.
/r/PurplePillDebate23/11/23 06:33 PM
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You still aren't getting it. Men would never take those risks with straight men but think nothing of treating women as community property because they objectify and treat women as some alien other. Go and treat men with the same disregard for decorum and bodily autonomy as men treat women they are attracted to and let me know how that works out for you. I believe you will learn instantly and violently that treating women differently than you do men has immediate consequences. Women rarely retali…
/r/PurplePillDebate23/11/23 06:31 PM
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Also, funny story, conservatives tried to make a "right wing dating app" called The Right Stuff to help conservative men and women meet. However, the app failed because there were not enough women. Not much in the past ten years has been funny, but that was hilarious.
/r/PurplePillDebate23/11/23 06:26 PM
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Anti-intellectualism is indeed gross. The world watched as conservatives squealed anti-vax sentiment then clogged up emergency departments and cemeteries as they dropped like flies from unchecked Covid. The anti-vax, anti-education conservatives who survived continue to eschew education and common sense until Gram-Gram gets cancer and they can't rush to the hospital quickly enough for radioactive chemo, bone marrow transplants, and transfusions from donors who (gasp) are likely to have been vacc…
/r/PurplePillDebate23/11/23 06:22 PM
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Are you asking why you shouldn't project one-sided, unwanted romantic and sexual feelings and behavior on someone who isn't interested?
/r/PurplePillDebate23/11/23 06:16 PM
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You didn't read that post. Go right now to the gym and leer and gawk at other men. Look them up and down, make sure you make eye contact and give that nod of approval or lascivious grin. Catcall them, too. And be sure to get in their personal space and put your hands on men's hips because you absolutely must grind up against their asses as you scooch past. Send men dick pics and follow them around school or stores. Show up unannounced and uninvited at spaces you know they will be. Hang around me…
/r/PurplePillDebate23/11/23 06:14 PM
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That's not it. It means stop treating women as a means to an end but ends in themselves. Women are not accessories to men, even when those women are mutually attracted. She still has her own history, her own sociopolitical views, her own goals, her own internal and external life, her own education, her own agenda. It means stop treating women as some alien other and communicate with them as anyone else, and reserve the romantic or sexual projecting for the woman who actually returns the interest…
/r/PurplePillDebate23/11/23 06:11 PM
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Nah, just unpopular during their formative years and seeking a method of punishing the foes from their past who still live rent free in their minds. It's sour grapes, nothing more.
/r/PurplePillDebate23/11/23 06:09 PM
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will treat the people you are attracted to different than others. If they aren't mutually attracted, they will find that behavior off-putting and repellent.
/r/PurplePillDebate23/11/23 06:06 PM
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It's telling how you have to go back 30+ years in order to find arbitrary, vague examples of your victim narrative Establishing a historical pattern which is a constant today. Women on social media, most especially female gamers are treated horribly by men. Men have trained women that it's acceptable to push back and find fault with men. Men who can't take a joke or who can't take criticism are far too delicate and sensitive to view TwoX. Perhaps you could message Reddit Admins and explain you f…
/r/PurplePillDebate23/11/23 06:04 PM
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Really. So in the previous hundred years of pop culture, how were women treated? Was forty years of making a female costars nipples the supporting role in some way flattering and uplifting to women? How about all the beat-your-wife jokes from the Honeymooners through Matt Rife’s latest spike in popularity? Maybe you felt all the rape scenes in teenage comedies during the 80s and 90s were somehow savory? The hate your wife jokes from I Love Lucy to Married With Childen? How about 70 years of grat…
/r/PurplePillDebate23/11/23 05:52 PM
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Dude there are dozens of “male spaces” women do not participate in and but find alarming when someone links to it. The men’s rights sub has nothing to do with men’s rights, every post is about women. It’s used as a call to brigade female posters and they link to active and popular relationship and dating threads hourly. No one cares. If men don’t like to read about women expressing frustration it’s super easy to simply not read it.
/r/PurplePillDebate23/11/23 04:51 PM
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Men’s fixation on that support sub is bizarre. The sub is for women seeking feedback and advice with problems they experience in life, it is not a space for casual conversation nor is it a space where women who are happy with their home and work environments to brag about how pleasant their lives are. TwoX does not represent women's overall life experience, it’s an infinitesimally small slice of women who are struggling with some dilemma.
/r/PurplePillDebate23/11/23 04:04 PM
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I… don’t know where you go out to socialize, but the purpose of social venues is to interact with everyone, not just the people you show up with.
/r/PurplePillDebate23/11/23 03:51 PM
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You are wrong or operating exclusively in a conservative or religious environment. Sexual compatibility is extremely important to women and if he’s terrible in bed or the chemistry is off, or worse, he becomes needy and demanding as men reliably do, a woman will absolutely cut ties with him. Women desiring relationships desperately is not universal, it isn’t even common for women my age. Men are the people desperate to lock a woman down and make sure another man can’t get at her. But I do believ…
/r/PurplePillDebate23/11/23 03:49 PM
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Friends aren’t required to set you up, that’s your job. Going out with friends makes it easier to meet and mingle with strangers at social venues. A loner wandering around begging for attention is not going to have the same options to chat with strangers as someone who is with friends. Social proof is a thing, and almost no one wants to be stuck with a loner who expects to be invited to hang out with them for the night.
/r/PurplePillDebate23/11/23 03:43 PM
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Women will pretend Ben Shapiro makes good points. Ha ha no this does not happen.
/r/PurplePillDebate23/11/23 03:34 PM
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Each man that she sleeps with decided not to pursue a relationship with her, Women decide not to pursue relationships with men all the time. Most complaints about ghosting come from men. There are complaints from men on several subs daily in which men are frustrated about the inability to get a second date even after they’ve slept together. Men and women are not diametrically opposed. Their behavior and attitudes line up on many things. All women do not desire relationships with a man they dated…
/r/PurplePillDebate23/11/23 02:22 PM
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shrug Competence is masculine. Every man I work with does everything on the list, though maybe not so physically attractive. Men only recently lost the willingness and ability to fix things and take care of rugged chores. I prefer traditional masculinity.
/r/PurplePillDebate23/11/23 09:39 AM
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Stone Age
/r/PurplePillDebate23/11/23 03:15 AM
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I’ve been wondering, does she have to mop, or does he?
/r/PurplePillDebate23/11/23 03:13 AM
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Call me
/r/PurplePillDebate23/11/23 03:13 AM
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Is he competent? Can he fix all the things? I don’t want a man who is too dainty to change the oil and the brakes or who can’t change the blades on the mower and repair the plumbing. Carpentry and other construction work is important as well. Skill and experience in cooking is required. I expect him to pass down these skills and competence to our children. He also needs to remain in peak physical shape and should be able to beat me in a race. He should also drive a manual transmission seamlessly…
/r/PurplePillDebate23/11/23 03:06 AM
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Pretty sure you overlooked the word half which is mentioned three times in my post.
/r/PurplePillDebate23/11/23 02:46 AM
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If I expect my partner to do half of the house hold chores, half the cooking, and half the childrearing why the hell would I care what lazy, entitled momma’s boys want? Men really in here pretending that women are dying for the attention of trad men who won’t behave like responsible, independent adults.
/r/PurplePillDebate23/11/23 02:44 AM
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I’m a mouse on a tiny keyboard and I, too, promise OP doesn’t know what he is talking about.
/r/PurplePillDebate23/11/23 02:40 AM
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Women don’t want those men. But women also don’t want those men to prey on vulnerable women in other countries. Women don’t want to make their problems (unwanted men) other women’s problems.
/r/PurplePillDebate22/11/23 08:43 PM
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Cookouts. Movie night. Parties. Holidays. Since when does get together mean sex?
/r/PurplePillDebate22/11/23 03:56 PM
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The fuck? No.
/r/PurplePillDebate22/11/23 03:48 PM
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I'm a woman. I'm the one who makes the effort to organize get togethers, many of which happen at my house which leaves me with a mess and occasionally stray friends who drank too much and shouldn't drive home. Maintaining a sphere of friends requires effort. If men don't want to put in the effort, maybe a woman will just magically appear under their tree this Christmas.
/r/PurplePillDebate22/11/23 03:30 PM
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If you have citations, post them, if you don't, no reason to pretend you are doing anything posting conspiracy theories.
/r/PurplePillDebate22/11/23 03:25 PM
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like how men are with women. You are right, they can't, because a willingness to have sex with her is reason enough for most men to pursue and even marry women. Women also prefer men they desire sexually, but those men must also be emotionally, socially, and culturally compatible. Men don't care who women are, they care how she looks. Women care who men are, and also how they look.
/r/PurplePillDebate22/11/23 03:24 PM
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Nice was sufficient when women had no choice but to marry. When women have a choice, physically and sexually attractive is as important as nice. Sorry that's a big stumbling block for men, who historically picked the most attractive women they could feasibly attract. It's wild how much of a problem it is that women prefer men they desire to have sex with over the men they are pressured to have sex with.
/r/PurplePillDebate22/11/23 03:21 PM
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an unsolicited dick pic unprompted mid convo Did you just imply she could "have fun" with a fucking sex offender? Sure, maybe bad options, but you can have fun meanwhile. Yes, you did.
/r/PurplePillDebate22/11/23 02:52 PM
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It's pretty bad, actually. The sub was shut down for threats of violence and now that some are here, this sub could earn the same reputation as a host for incels and risk unwanted attention from reddit admins and government oversight. It's a shame that practical advice which isn't crazy TRP horseshit gets buried while the violently angry men upvote the most unhinged comments so they bubble to the top and makes this place look like another incel hive of antisocial, anti-intellectual rhetoric.
/r/PurplePillDebate22/11/23 02:50 PM
1

I'm for it.
/r/PurplePillDebate22/11/23 02:34 PM
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Please add a question about experience interpreting statistics or completion of an Intro to Statistics course as well as a question about familiarity with logical fallacies pleaseanthankyou.
/r/PurplePillDebate22/11/23 02:24 PM
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Yes yes and yes. And this sub skews heavily conservative, packed with men who demand obedient "trad wives" while claiming stoicism is the secret to success, but each predictably queues right up on the daily chat to seek support.
/r/PurplePillDebate22/11/23 02:21 PM
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Confirmation bias isn't evidence.
/r/PurplePillDebate22/11/23 02:15 PM
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The women who respond to vulnerable, neurotic, highly emotional men have the same traits. Horny isn't on your list, so it likely isn't on theirs, either.
/r/PurplePillDebate22/11/23 02:14 PM
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However, there are plenty of women who view men through a weird hyper masculine lens due to socialization. In their eyes, men can't be soft or vulnerable because it's unnatural, feminine, or bad. If you value your sanity, avoid those women. They can't. Most of the men here skew conservative and they were raised to fill the role of the competent stoic and they seek romance from their conservative female counterparts. They have two choices. Either live with the roles predetermined by a conservativ…
/r/PurplePillDebate22/11/23 02:12 PM
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I'm sorry she said that. I don't have much of a temper but "man up" infuriates me no matter where it comes from. Parents aren't the most reliable source for emotional support because they are tasked with preparing their children for adversity outside the home. If she thinks you are going to cry at work or cry in front of your friends, she's going to struggle with how to address a perceived weakness which also reflects her "failure" to prepare her kids for life. My mother was and still is gorgeou…
/r/PurplePillDebate22/11/23 02:09 PM
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You don’t need to be extroverted, but if you want to meet new people having a few friends to go out with is far better than sitting at home and swiping. But it requires effort. You have to make the plans, offer to DD, host parties or cookouts, organize the get togethers. The only thing I use FB for is to run a closed group of friends I’ve met through hobbies and work. No way in hell I’m going Black Friday shopping, but I am meeting and driving four (so far) friends around and hanging out with th…
/r/PurplePillDebate22/11/23 01:32 PM
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mountains of denial took a bit. There was no denial, there was a major cultural shift in women’s independence as nearly all women entered the workplace vs the slow trickle which began in the 70s. When women started working as a rule rather than the exception, women were no longer forced to settle for an unattractive good provider, but could actually consider a life with a partner she is mutually sexually attracted to. It’s surprising how many men are just now realizing this, and how many men jus…
/r/PurplePillDebate22/11/23 01:19 PM
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would also say BP is starting to be “more right” on TRP just being filled with losers as it grows in popularity. There is a recent uptick in hatred because another incel hate sub was shut down by Reddit, so the members came in here to fling shit.
/r/PurplePillDebate22/11/23 01:15 PM
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I think it’s a good space to discuss the wildly different dynamics between people. Men who have no female friends or little experience with dating seem to regard women as accessories who want to play house and raise babies. They forget that he brings 18+ years of his upbringing, his family and cultural mores, his religion, his experience in his social group with him, and so does she. Many of the posts from men here can be reduced to “Why don’t women do what we want”, which is a child’s POV. The …
/r/PurplePillDebate22/11/23 01:09 PM
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Are you even reading the replies you asked me for? Those men aren’t “doing nothing”, they are socializing as people do and meeting and mingling with like minded people and occasionally stumbling across women who are mutually attracted. That is how dating works the world round. Do you honestly believe that the 13-18 year old boys who had girlfriends in high school while their voices were still changing and their bodies were awkward and clumsy did anything special to get girlfriends? They simply t…
/r/PurplePillDebate22/11/23 01:00 PM
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then why are so many women complaining about being lied to by men? I don’t see so many women complaining about normal life. Most people don’t wind up with the first few people they date, it’s difficult to find someone compatible. People’s complaints about heartbreak or disappointment aren’t calls to action. Can you find actual PPD posts that say "Women, don't fall for Chad's sexuality, his popularity, or his confidence. He's going to cheat on you. Pick me, the sensitive, respectful, religious, u…
/r/PurplePillDebate22/11/23 12:57 PM
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You can not lie about the 99% thing. It’s plastered all over PUA and TRP whenever each discussion of cold approach comes up. What question have you asked me.
/r/PurplePillDebate22/11/23 12:25 PM
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What question did you ask?
/r/PurplePillDebate22/11/23 12:22 PM
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By socializing and interacting with like minded people who share their experiences and values. You know, like real life.
/r/PurplePillDebate22/11/23 12:20 PM
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Why are there so many frustrated me spinning in circles if TRP is such an effective method of seducing women? Why do women reject 99% of cold approaches if PUA is so effective?
/r/PurplePillDebate22/11/23 12:19 PM
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I’ll admit each time a man adds a new level of paranoia about women to TRP, it’s as puzzling as it is amusing.
/r/PurplePillDebate22/11/23 12:14 PM
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That's just postering. Theres no mathing spending 16 hours with your child after working 8. ??
/r/PurplePillDebate22/11/23 06:26 AM
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Thanks for admitting you have no sources, zero evidence, and no proof of your claims. Makes it easier for everyone.
/r/PurplePillDebate22/11/23 06:20 AM
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What is confusing is that mothers who work 8 hours still spend the remaining 16 taking care of children five days per week and 24 hours on days off. What is confusing is that SAHM are expected to pick up the entire slack and look after the father’s hygiene and sexual needs while also providing education and enrichment, child care, nursing, chauffeuring, cooking, feeding, hygiene, housework, and any and every milestone and school needs while the father occasionally plays with the kid. For room an…
/r/PurplePillDebate22/11/23 06:17 AM
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Interesting perspective. So why is it you expect partnered women to do every goddamn bit of it while admitting that a single father will outsource it to others? Explain it.
/r/PurplePillDebate22/11/23 06:08 AM
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Except you admitted the single fathers outsource the care to family members.
/r/PurplePillDebate22/11/23 05:51 AM
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Who is helping those single fathers raise the kids? OP admitted fathers outsource the care to family.
/r/PurplePillDebate22/11/23 05:50 AM
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Which job? Nanny? Teacher? Nurse? Maid? Chef? Chauffeur? Oh, you mean like single mothers do all the time and single fathers won’t do?
/r/PurplePillDebate22/11/23 05:36 AM
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Women have been doing it since Eve walked upright in Africa. Let’s see men pay for it, because they sure af aren’t competent and will outsource it at every opportunity, as you admitted in previous posts.
/r/PurplePillDebate22/11/23 05:33 AM
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He’s better pay for a maid, a chef, and a chauffeur, too, because that man obviously is too incompetent to actually raise a child and care for a home and family.
/r/PurplePillDebate22/11/23 05:30 AM
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Pay for it. Pay the maid, pay the secretary, pay the chauffeur, and pay the cook.
/r/PurplePillDebate22/11/23 05:29 AM
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Half man’s, too, yet he can’t be bothered to participate in any fraction of their lives and fucking brags about playing dad? “ Most likely doing something fun.”
/r/PurplePillDebate22/11/23 05:29 AM
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Tell you what. Cut off the supply of sperm and women will cut off access to the ovaries. Let’s see who caves first. The boys men consider their best friends, their homies, their ride or dies, and their brothers will race across the line with that sperm then fucking drop the ball and do everything they can to avoid raising their own children. It’s gospel.
/r/PurplePillDebate22/11/23 05:05 AM
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Who are you? When have I ever interacted with you? Show me the posts where I claimed scientific evidence and didn’t post it. I’ll correct it right now. Post it.
/r/PurplePillDebate22/11/23 04:54 AM
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Sperm is the cheapest resource on the planet. I can can get some sperm from a tall, fit, college educated man in about twenty minutes by sending two or three “u up” DMs, and I’m in my old hometown where I haven’t lived in ten years.
/r/PurplePillDebate22/11/23 04:41 AM
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I post studies when I make a claim. I have not made a claim, you have. If you can’t support “studies prove” is pure horseshit. If you can’t post studies on the public board, you have nothing and the claims are baseless. Don’t DM me though, because I’ll post it. Every single time.
/r/PurplePillDebate22/11/23 04:33 AM
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Where are those studies? Post them please. Common myth to justify dehumanizing men and boys, to make sure that you feel no sympathy towards male victims of sex crimes. Not that you needed the help... Weird that you’ve never seen AskMen or AskReddit…
/r/PurplePillDebate22/11/23 04:22 AM
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Nah, they've done studies on how women victim-blame male rape victims very intensely. Where are those studies?
/r/PurplePillDebate22/11/23 04:18 AM
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That’s horrific and no, women don’t think that. But men celebrate it and I don’t understand why you all aren’t better to one another. “I wish my hot teacher would have fucked me” makes me want to vomit. And men clap one another on the back. Men’s rights is nothing but complaints about rejection, I don’t know why men don’t band together and attack men who advocate the rape of students. I’d beat the dogshit out of any woman who raped a student and I’ve never hit a human being in my life. And most …
/r/PurplePillDebate22/11/23 04:10 AM
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Hey maybe you should keep on posting 6 year old tabloid mail articles, I heard that’s great for credibility.
/r/PurplePillDebate22/11/23 03:51 AM
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Once again, anti intellectualism overrides reason and common sense. A sixth grade teacher would flunk you for those posts. Come back with actual evidence of a trend instead of a tabloid article from 2017 and a single post from a mentally ill woman with a history of terrible decisions.
/r/PurplePillDebate22/11/23 03:42 AM
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Dude please. Go post your 2017 Daily Mail links anywhere else annd ask for credit and I’ll happily expound on your seven month old complaint from a poster who openly admits mental illness. What are you even doing right now.
/r/PurplePillDebate22/11/23 03:19 AM
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Did you read that shit article about middle aged women in the Daily Mail? Did you seriously use that as a source? And a post from a woman who is clearly a fucking mess from 7 months ago? From this person? “ I am quite introverted, anxious, and shy, so anything that makes me feel uncomfortable I don't want any part of.” Be serious right now. Women ante not asking where all the good men are.
/r/PurplePillDebate22/11/23 03:08 AM
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Criticize Chad more and claim it isn’t pick me behavior, I have nothing to gain or lose by quoting directly.
/r/PurplePillDebate22/11/23 02:22 AM
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It’s only the most important job a parent has which he shamelessly outsources to family instead of doing it his damn self as the mother does.
/r/PurplePillDebate22/11/23 02:21 AM
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Dad time?? Are you serious right now? You mean parenting?
/r/PurplePillDebate22/11/23 02:08 AM
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Are women posting these? I only ever see men claiming women say it. In fact the entire shitpost sub “where are all the good men” is exclusively male posters.
/r/PurplePillDebate22/11/23 01:33 AM
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get help from family You bet your ass they do. Now explain why they can’t do it before she dies.
/r/PurplePillDebate22/11/23 01:32 AM
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Also considering the working parent is still obligated to help with cleaning, and to help immensely with child rearing. Right, same as they would be expected to do if the spouse died and had to be replaced by a team.
/r/PurplePillDebate22/11/23 01:23 AM
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Maybe quote the going rate for a live in nanny in your city, and if she doesn’t also cook and clean, quote the rates for chef and maid service as well? Chauffeur and secretary, too. The point is for men to take an honest look at what it costs to replace a wife and mother if she dies. How much would he have to pay a team of staff to do what she does all day long, while also taking care of all his needs?
/r/PurplePillDebate22/11/23 01:14 AM
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Where are those threads though?
/r/PurplePillDebate22/11/23 01:10 AM
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“Why don’t women compliment men” “Why are women afraid of men at night” “Why can’t men approach strangers without being treated like predators” “Why don’t women report” “Why did she wear that/ drink that/ smoke that/go there if she didn’t want to be assaulted” “Why is she nursing her hungry infant if she doesn’t want men staring at her tits” What’s the point, really, when men blame women for every bad thing men do to women? I don’t think reason and accountability are even possible with men, they…
/r/PurplePillDebate22/11/23 01:00 AM
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and isn't both because men aren't criticizing Chad Huh? and he probably is stupid Oh. they probably are morally better Oh.
/r/PurplePillDebate22/11/23 12:54 AM
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I’ve seen an inexcusable number of men admitting to creating fake profiles and they must be using photos of actual people. Do you all realize what you are doing to those actual women with this horseshit? I’ve had DMCA requests on Reddit every month or two since I was sixteen and there are still photos of my face and body on certain subs because certain pieces of shit thought it was acceptable to take and post photos of me. Image searches have now advanced enough that a couple of those searches r…
/r/PurplePillDebate21/11/23 10:36 PM
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Those men are terrible actors who never fail to criticize Chad, who they regard as stupid, big dicked, tall morons rather than socially astute, popular men who enjoy the company of women. But those men reliably remind women as nauseum that unpopular, inexperienced men are the far superior moral choice. Orbiters, the lot of them. Just stop it, no one is buying this. Men with a conservative set of morals and inhibitions are the ideal fit for women with similar values. There is no point in competin…
/r/PurplePillDebate21/11/23 10:22 PM
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I agree this argument is tiring. Blaming women for men’s sexual misdeeds has been horseshit since the earliest recorded history but here it is again, with men who are twice to ten times stronger, twice to ten times more powerful, wealthy, and with far more to lose, get away with blaming women for their misdeeds because men, even unsuccessful men, will always support men and unite to blame women. And blame female children. And blame women and girls for growing breasts and hips. For being nearby a…
/r/PurplePillDebate21/11/23 10:13 PM
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Which innocent people?
/r/PurplePillDebate21/11/23 10:06 PM
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can use it to potentially improve yourself so that you can compete with Chad You confirmed everything I said.
/r/PurplePillDebate21/11/23 09:57 PM
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You have no idea how that relationship began. Married men love to claim they are in an open marriage. Or a marriage of convenience. Or a loveless or sexless marriage. They’ve done it since time immemorial and even if they idiot who got involved with him actually believed they might one day love one another and be together the bulk of the blame lies with the married man with a pregnant wife who admitted to his bad behavior publicly. But blaming women for tempting men tracks, it’s typical conserva…
/r/PurplePillDebate21/11/23 09:55 PM
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No I think men need to own their bad behavior and stop holding children and women accountable for the sexual acts men do unless those men are also victims of predatory behavior. I am giving my own interpretation of the scenario here and asking you to have some imagination to think it out on a deeper level from there. There is no deeper level. Men have held women responsible for their bad sexual behavior since Eve ate the apple and it’s time for men to accept accountability for their actions. Wom…
/r/PurplePillDebate21/11/23 09:46 PM
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I would say it’s quite likely she initiated things too which puts her quite on par with him in my opinion. Yeah and all the women who donated their clothing to the What Was I Wearing exhibit “initiated things”. Does that include the women who were wearing fatigues? Pajamas? How about the onesies and diapers? Do you also hold those sexy, seductive toddlers and infants responsible for the horrific sex acts grown men attacked them with? https://dovecenter.org/what-were-you-wearing-exhibit/
/r/PurplePillDebate21/11/23 09:41 PM
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Right?? So fuck it. If women are both “occasions to sin” from the moment breast buds appear around ages 8-11, and also entirely responsible for somehow controlling men’s behavior, what are men doing other than enjoying an utter lack of accountability for their actions, as they have since the beginning of recorded history?
/r/PurplePillDebate21/11/23 09:38 PM
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Wow. Blaming the woman instead of the married, powerful man who instigated the relationship. Men just unapologetically holding women responsible for both existing with female bodies and for somehow controlling men’s responses to those bodies.
/r/PurplePillDebate21/11/23 09:35 PM
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I don't think I have to tell anyone on this subreddit why I personally think that sleeping with your professor for grades is absolute lowest of the low level behavior and one of the most morally compromised actions that a woman can take (that is mostly specific to women). Men would, given the chance, without hesitation. I'd be very glad to have the peace of mind in knowing that we aren't facing a future where women are allowed to use their sexual leverage however they want with no negative conse…
/r/PurplePillDebate21/11/23 09:33 PM
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Most people would agree with me that it's in women's best interest to choose Chad. They don't fault women for it. TRP and PUA wouldn’t exist if this were true. The entire purpose of both is for men to demonstrate value to women and compete with their archetypal Chad. Women find Chad to be a farce, a caricature of a masculine, attractive man. But the myth is precisely who TRP and PUA men aspire to be, who they attempt to emulate. And Chad is who men are constantly competing with, screeching “pick…
/r/PurplePillDebate21/11/23 09:04 PM
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I love everything about this post, but I would even if I didn’t relate to it so well.
/r/PurplePillDebate21/11/23 08:55 PM
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How you think these men could be pick-mes is just beyond me. No it isn’t. That’s how cognitive dissonance works. These guys don't pedestalize women at all like pick-me girls do men. Pick-mes don’t pedastilize the opposite sex, they uniformly criticize the sex for “failing to see how they are the superior choice” while also putting down popular members of the same sex in a lame attempt to denigrate the competition.
/r/PurplePillDebate21/11/23 08:29 PM
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although hilariously I paid for college selling old 45 records so I've got an extensive music knowledge What??? That’s awesome. If you did that on reddit, I may have purchased some things from you. This is an alt. My primary ID is in the audiophile sub more than anywhere else. And yeah Swift is something else. When Jack White, Ryan Adams, and Jason Isbell agree she’s one of the best songwriters, it doesn’t matter what haters say. It's not a super accident that both my boyfriend and I were hugely…
/r/PurplePillDebate21/11/23 08:25 PM
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That’s crazypants. Ozzfest is packed with women. Every punk band I’ve ever seen has just as many women as men, we even have female only pits so women don’t risk getting groped. I don’t have any tattoos, piercings, or weird hair. My best friends only have a couple. We hit every show within 200 miles, and fly a couple times per year for a beach vacation and a band.
/r/PurplePillDebate21/11/23 08:06 PM
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I’m really pleased with your premise, I think there is a disconnect between pop culture and the sort of specialized hobbies that some men with smaller social circles enjoy. Pretty sure men think women only listen to Taylor Swift or something. Nothing wrong with Swift, the best songwriters in the world admire her knack for verse and arrangement. But a lot of men here seem to regard women as sexy children who follow what other women do rather than fully realized humans who exist even when men aren…
/r/PurplePillDebate21/11/23 07:50 PM
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Really though I don't see a lot of diversity in women's musical taste. I see bands all the time, I schedule my life around concerts, shows, and festivals. I’ve never been to a concert which wasn’t half female audience. I see rock, punk, folk, hiphop, and metal. Occasionally get dragged to EDM but I don’t do drugs so it’s not the same experience for me as most people there. And I was pretty much forced to see a country concert recently and 2/3 of the crowd was female. Alarmingly aggressive and ha…
/r/PurplePillDebate21/11/23 07:36 PM
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Says the woman that tried to womansplain how men feel I’m not describing how men feel, I’m explaining what they do, which is a mirror of the typical pick me woman. Instead, women are consumed with attracting as many men as possible, so that they can gloat over them for validation I’ve met one or two women in my life who seek attention at all costs, but most women don’t want attention from men they would never date. Getting stalked, leered at, getting pressured and screamed at by fake male friend…
/r/PurplePillDebate21/11/23 07:32 PM
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It won’t work. Very few people are convincing actors and people who pursue this route do so after years of frustration and disappointment. It will out. The cracks will be revealed. Pretending is a waste of time, people ought to willfully and deliberately seek out others who share their values and goals. But I don’t see men openly admitting: “Sex and physical affection are vital to me and I want a family as well as an active sex life for the duration of our marriage” Or “I want a family and marri…
/r/PurplePillDebate21/11/23 07:21 PM
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Except there isn’t any need to “call women out” if a man has no intention of dating them. And there isn’t any need to slut shame since those women aren’t options for inhibited men anyway. You may not like it, but men who chastise and shame women for dating men they are attracted to are pick-mes who feel they are the better choice. They follow the exact same pattern as female pick mes: by putting down the competition and chiding others who prefer popular or superficially attractive people.
/r/PurplePillDebate21/11/23 07:18 PM
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I think we’ve just reached the point in the west where women have the same privilege of partner choice men always enjoyed, and I feel pretty strongly this is what natural selection actually looks like for human beings. I don’t think most men want to accept that, most especially the men who spent their lives convinced that sexual satisfaction isn’t important to women and that sex is something wives are required to endure for the sake of harmony in the home. The only solution I see is to scrap the…
/r/PurplePillDebate21/11/23 07:16 PM
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Lmao, this post is completely nonsensical. How can you be a "pick-me" when women don't even like men who do these things? I didn’t say it works, I said that’s their obvious goal. By continually deriding popular men and women with any shred of experience or sexual identity, they intend to demonstrate their value by providing stability and somehow reckon their inability to cheat is a selling point.
/r/PurplePillDebate21/11/23 05:38 PM
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choices by slandering innocent men That’s an entirely male lens. There isn’t anything wrong with having a lower sex drive so long as those men make appropriate choices with mates of similar habits. But they don’t, do they? Those men focus on women who obviously posses a sexual identity and who obviously prioritize sexual attraction and mutual sexual gratification. Why is that? Why don’t men simply ignore those women and pay attention to women who are on the same wavelength?
/r/PurplePillDebate21/11/23 05:27 PM
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Based on complaints about dead bedrooms, I suspect subjecting oneself to 30-50 years of demanding, unsatisfying sex just so her husband is happy is a far worse fate.
/r/PurplePillDebate21/11/23 05:25 PM
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I suspect a lot of men who are hypercritical of “Chad” and women with a sex drive feel the same way, which would make women with lower sex drives a far better fit.
/r/PurplePillDebate21/11/23 05:23 PM
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Yes, I recall your username and I remember we argued over PUA. But that isn’t what we are talking about now. The reason disaffected, lonely men turn to TRP is because they are more sensitive and vulnerable than popular men who tend to be more resilient since they have a social sphere and multiple options for dating. OP is just another iteration of “emulate Chad and mimic his behaviors and you will get laid” and it simply isn’t true. Most men are not convincing actors. Hell, most actors aren’t co…
/r/PurplePillDebate21/11/23 03:49 PM
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if there is one I promise you a response where I tear into him about it. Not taking this bait at all, but the very idea that you would "tear into a man" who has expressed vulnerability is the only evidence needed to prove an extreme disconnect from humanity.
/r/PurplePillDebate21/11/23 03:29 PM
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Best post in the thread.
/r/PurplePillDebate21/11/23 03:17 PM
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but men don't just have romantic options appear by simply existing as their gender. Most do.
/r/PurplePillDebate21/11/23 03:15 PM
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I don't schedule any clients on Monday until after lunch because I'm the only woman in my office. And not because I have administrative work or have to make coffee, one of the men does that. But because I know that all but one of my coworkers is going to show up to tell me all about the stressors or triumphs of his weekend and they take turns crowding my office doorway and on occasion falling apart because they have a sick kid/lost a parent/had a bad break-up/are losing their virility due to agi…
/r/PurplePillDebate21/11/23 03:14 PM
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There is no cohesive red pill bible, there is nothing but a messy game of telephone repeated by men trying to figure out how to mimic successful men. The OP certainly appears to be a repeat of "pretend to be a mid century stereotypical sit com father" while advising women to play the supplicant role of obedient housewife. There's not a single TRP channel that would tell you to cast aside your stoic self and embrace emotional weakness or to discard assertiveness and connect with your feminine ene…
/r/PurplePillDebate21/11/23 03:07 PM
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The role of the man is assertiveness and stoicism. So... are you counseling all the hyper-sensitive "Good men" of TRP to stop whining about Chad and somehow pretend they are tough and independent, assertive and sexual when it's evident they are not? Because this sounds very much like the Golden Age fallacy, in which "men were better when John Wayne/Ronald Reagan/Sean Connery could just slap women and drink all night in front of the television after work." Life isn't an episode of MadMen.
/r/PurplePillDebate21/11/23 02:38 PM
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because it’s a sacrifice for men to give up their freedom to have sex with other women. It's a lifelong sacrifice for women to give up mutually gratifying sex and an awful fate to be stuck lying beneath a man she is not attracted to while he ruts away on her body like a sweating animal.
/r/PurplePillDebate21/11/23 02:33 PM
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I can't argue with your imagined version of the men you are conjuring up in your mind, Or you could just read the posts I'm quite certain you've seen as they make you 2/3 of the male rhetoric here and more than half of TRP posts. Male pick-mes who deride sexually successful men they refer to as Chad while describing themselves as the far better, more sensitive, emotional, less-to-asexual choice in a partner are the driving theme behind the red pill. Describing their emotional sensitivity is prec…
/r/PurplePillDebate21/11/23 02:30 PM
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Men are the gatekeepers of relationships. Red pill myth. Men don't like to share and they do not enjoy competing and they lock down women they desire at the earliest opportunity. Spending two+ months salary on engagement rings. Elaborate proposals. Refusal to use condoms or stealthing.
/r/PurplePillDebate21/11/23 02:23 PM
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She should have the same chances to enjoy sex as any other adult and it's unlikely that a woman who enjoys sex and has had fantastic sex is going to settle for a man she regards as a roomate, or at least not for long. are her attractiveness matches So what... you mean if you compare their still photos side by side? What if he's weird, odd, insular, friendless, obsessive, on the spectrum, humorless, inhibited, or suffers from a fetish? Is he still a 6 or whatever? How do you determine her attract…
/r/PurplePillDebate21/11/23 02:14 PM
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It isn't homophobic at all. We're talking about satisfying sex, right? Men have precisely the same opportunities to allow their bodies to be used for unsatisfying, un-gratifying sex as women. Not sure why this is men's blind spot other than pure ego, but sex with a man a woman isn't attracted to or is actively disgusted by isn't sex. It's the demeaning, dehumanizing use of her body as a cum sleeve. Men have the same options. u/throwaway164_3 blocked me, so I cannot respond to his insults.
/r/PurplePillDebate21/11/23 02:11 PM
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Women are so privileged with how easily they can fuck and get fucked. Men have precisely the same opportunities to "get fucked" by people they aren't attracted to and who will not give them an orgasm.
/r/PurplePillDebate21/11/23 02:05 PM
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Men don't have that same hunger for the absolute and all-consuming emotional coalescence of two human beings. Have you ever read TRP or PPD? Or r/ seduction for that matter? All three subs are packed full of male pick-mes who go on and on about how asocial and asexual men and introverts are the far superior choice to Chad because they would never cheat. They stress a lack of sexual interest while painting themselves as sensitive, reliable, trustworthy providers who aren't focused on sex. Every. …
/r/PurplePillDebate21/11/23 02:03 PM
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I haven’t mentioned or recommended casual sex. But I am recommending against marrying a man she isn’t powerfully attracted to instead of settling for a man she doesn’t enjoy sex with.
/r/PurplePillDebate21/11/23 02:58 AM
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Let’s try any other analogy. That man can’t play basketball and is terrible at sports. But I just do saw him dunk on a child’s net so he’s worthy of admiration. Surgeon lost every patient except one, so let’s all praise his skill. Man is terrible at every single thing he’s attempted, but he’s good at Mario Cart so let’s hold a parade in his honor. Am I doing this right?
/r/PurplePillDebate21/11/23 12:58 AM
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There are no studies about pair bonding in humans. There is one sus claim made by a Christian thinktank.
/r/PurplePillDebate21/11/23 12:55 AM
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I’m speaking truth. Men here demand a wife submit and provide sex even when she isn’t attracted. Feel free to visit r/ deadbedrooms to see how that plays out. Let me know how happy men are that they talked a woman who isn’t sexually attracted into settling for them.
/r/PurplePillDebate21/11/23 12:42 AM
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I’m just glad men who claim sex is a need will stop slut shaming.
/r/PurplePillDebate21/11/23 12:35 AM
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So the women a man pulls aren’t his league?
/r/PurplePillDebate21/11/23 12:34 AM
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Who anyone can pull is their league. The man she isn’t attracted to is below her league.
/r/PurplePillDebate21/11/23 12:23 AM
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How many women cheat because they aren’t attracted to their husbands or because their husbands are terrible in bed? A desire for satisfying sex is a basic human desire, why demonize women for seeking it?
/r/PurplePillDebate20/11/23 11:43 PM
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So either a) a relationship and terrible sex with a man she isn’t attracted to but will be faithful because he has no other options or b) enjoy sex and gamble on a man she is mutually attracted to and who will probably be happy with her so long as they share common values and common goals. Maybe you can explain why you feel that a lifetime of terrible sex with an unpopular man she isn’t attracted to is the better option.
/r/PurplePillDebate20/11/23 11:30 PM
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There are no harems. Expecting women to accept a fate of a lifetime of awful, demeaning sex at the hands of a man they aren’t attracted to simply because he has no other options is outrageous.
/r/PurplePillDebate20/11/23 11:25 PM
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OP is so upset he dropped the OP then disappeared
/r/PurplePillDebate20/11/23 10:56 PM
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Then I guess those men should be quiet and leave their wives alone instead of pestering them for sex. If men expect women to settle for men they aren’t attracted to, then those men can just settle for a sexless marriage. What’s good for the goose is good for the gander.
/r/PurplePillDebate20/11/23 10:34 PM
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The harem thing is a baseless revenge fantasy, but even if it were real, it’s a better fate than being used as a masturbation toy for forty to fifty years. Can’t imagine anything more dehumanizing. r/ deadbedrooms is all the evidence any woman needs that settling for a man she isn’t excited by is a miserable fate.
/r/PurplePillDebate20/11/23 10:31 PM
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They think that good sex comes down to technique, but some even believe that women should be happy to lie still beneath men they aren’t attracted to for forty years because he’s “safer than Chad” or something. They think nothing of using women’s bodies.
/r/PurplePillDebate20/11/23 10:09 PM
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No man can “improve himself” enough to develop a rapport, chemistry, sexual compatibility and excitement with a woman he doesn’t naturally share that with. The idea of marrying a man she isn’t attracted to in hopes sexual compatibility will magically develop is a terrible plan.
/r/PurplePillDebate20/11/23 10:07 PM
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Then why does it always sound like men here criticize women who enjoy good sex?
/r/PurplePillDebate20/11/23 10:05 PM
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So what’s the lesson here? “Women, you have no natural right nor expectation of good, exciting sex you should settle for a man who doesn’t excite you because men want attractive women to shut up and endure awful sex”??
/r/PurplePillDebate20/11/23 09:25 PM
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Women want to settle down with men they are sexually attracted to and women want to also enjoy a lifetime of sex instead of merely being forced to lie underneath a sweating, rutting man who uses her body to masturbate into.
/r/PurplePillDebate20/11/23 09:23 PM
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I… don’t know how to convince you that women have a sex drive.
/r/PurplePillDebate20/11/23 09:21 PM
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Men tend to remember the hottest sex with the hottest woman who they've been with vividly, sometimes even masturbating to it remembering the experience. So do women.
/r/PurplePillDebate20/11/23 08:50 PM
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Privileged men don’t have to be cooperative. Women can simply avoid them.
/r/PurplePillDebate20/11/23 08:43 PM
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If two people are mutually attracted, they are in the same “league” and ace men are not in the league at all. Do ace or low libido men expect sex throughout their marriage? If yes, then why in the world would they even consider taking from a woman who isn’t attracted and doesn’t enjoy it? I feel like all these discussions are low libido men or entitled men claiming rights to women’s bodies who are doomed to a miserable sex life until their deaths.
/r/PurplePillDebate20/11/23 08:42 PM
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In my experience men are on their best behavior until they lock down or impregnate a woman. As soon as they’ve won her away from other men, they give up and reveal their true behavior. We can never know how someone actually pretends or con convinces another person they are terrific, but we can sure see when people drop the pretense and reveal their actual personality.
/r/PurplePillDebate20/11/23 07:37 PM
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Everything I listed leads to a loss of attraction.
/r/PurplePillDebate20/11/23 07:34 PM
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Any social venue. Any bar/pub/club. Any bowling alley, stadium, sports venue, festival, concert, restaurant, party, barbecue, cookout, vacation venue…
/r/PurplePillDebate20/11/23 05:30 PM
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So women should sacrifice their own sexual identity and sexual satisfaction as well as endure husband’s wholesale use of their bodies for the good of society, which actually means no change since the mid century. Let me know when men are willing to be used as human dildos with seldom to zero sexual gratification and maybe women will attend the negotiating table.
/r/PurplePillDebate20/11/23 05:28 PM
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Expecting investors in social spaces to cater to asocial people is nuts.
/r/PurplePillDebate20/11/23 04:42 PM
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Is "Be fun and relaxed but don't put your fucking hands on people you don't know" that difficult?
/r/PurplePillDebate20/11/23 04:37 PM
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How in the world could a business owner cater to people who don't have hobbies or particular niche interests? That would be the worst investment on the planet. "Hey, Bank of Whatever. I want to open a nightclub for men and women who don't like other people, who don't drink, don't dance, and hate crowds. Can I get a loan please?"
/r/PurplePillDebate20/11/23 04:26 PM
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I think the the complaint then becomes that these women have already had casual sex or short-term flings with higher value men, and that these lower value men are then being settled for, and that the women have had sexual experiences with more attractive men. ...who were more exciting and giving in bed. Less popular men promise the same fun times, but fail to deliver.
/r/PurplePillDebate20/11/23 04:21 PM
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Dead bedrooms are due to a thousand reasons, including male dependence on their wives, their refusal to participate in the upkeep of their own hygiene and household responsibilities, and also just being demanding and selfish in bed.
/r/PurplePillDebate20/11/23 04:20 PM
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back in the old days bastard kids and single mothers are basically abandoned & shunned by the community, thus lowering their chance of survival Reflects a complete lack of familiarity with the human genome which is chock full of race mixing even during periods of slavery and hideous racism.
/r/PurplePillDebate20/11/23 04:17 PM
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This claim is incongruent with men's claims that women refuse to settle for men who they don't feel "the tingles" for. Which is it? Women only settle for men they are sexually attracted to? Or whatever man will settle for them?
/r/PurplePillDebate20/11/23 04:13 PM
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Yeah? Which of those 100 men who "like" her actually find her attractive vs which are just desperate for a warm hole instead of a fleshlight?
/r/PurplePillDebate20/11/23 03:36 PM
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Horrible, horrible take. Hyperbole is such a worthless diversion. Rapists are defended and protected by other men, historically and presently. Brock Turner isn't trolling Ohio bars because he was celebrated by men but because he was defended by a judge who decided he was otherwise a good guy who somehow raped an unconscious woman behind a dumpster in a filthy alley because she was asking for it. Men here, daily, continue to blame women for awful treatment based on their clothing, when the travel…
/r/PurplePillDebate20/11/23 03:28 PM
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Men have trained their brains and dicks on porn and have no idea what the average woman looks like, their scale is heavily weighted towards models, influencers, actresses, and porn stars. The average woman looks ugly to men who expect cartoonish figures altered by plastic surgery and airbrushed faces. Men are not reliable reporters on what "average" women look like. They rank women against the women who they jerk off to daily.
/r/PurplePillDebate20/11/23 03:00 PM
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Not as many neighborhood pubs for locals but there are bars and restaurants which focus on a hobby like sports, music, cars, bikes, or genres of music. The only bar I attend regularly is owned by a couple of cyclists, and we gather after events or our weekly rides. Mountain bikers, too, on different nights. I am not a big drinker but enjoy the hell out of hanging out with people I bike with and folks who want to get into biking. The beer league softball and volleyball players gather there, too, …
/r/PurplePillDebate20/11/23 02:05 PM
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I drove at sixteen and we couldn’t find parking at school ten years ago. I drive by my old school on the way to visit my family and the parking lot is half empty. Don’t kids want to go on dates? Make out in the car after the game? Don’t they want to ride around and listen to music and talk?
/r/PurplePillDebate20/11/23 11:50 AM
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Clubs and bars are packed in the US, too. But I think most of the men here admit they don’t like crowds and loud music. Parks and beaches are also crowded, but those are only for people who like fresh air, play, and exercise. Festivals, concerts, and sporting events sell out in the 100 mile radius around me, but those are for people with friends. The men who complain about being unable to find something to do don’t actually want to do social things. They want to spot an attractive innocent 18 ye…
/r/PurplePillDebate20/11/23 11:44 AM
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When with men, sure. Women can take care of themselves with or without a man. Men either cannot or will not. It’s pretty frustrating.
/r/PurplePillDebate20/11/23 02:36 AM
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Sure, but stressing over people who are not potential partners seems like a poor choice of energy.
/r/PurplePillDebate20/11/23 02:00 AM
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Do what women do when they don’t like their choices. Either date people who are mutually attracted or remain alone. Find some hobbies. Enjoy your family and friends. Exercise. Focus on your job and retirement. Get a cat. Or a dog. Carry on.
/r/PurplePillDebate20/11/23 01:40 AM
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Gosh I sure hope things improve for you, too!
/r/PurplePillDebate20/11/23 01:29 AM
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I’m not trying to silence you, I’m speaking about the women who are not potential dates. Whatever they are doing with regards to makeup, fashion, and men has nothing to do with you. Worry about the women who might be a good match. Same advice I’d give anyone.
/r/PurplePillDebate20/11/23 01:28 AM
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Oh. So you admit it’s super important for men to show off for others and somehow communicate their penis status. Doesn’t that seem somehow… desperate for the social approval of others?
/r/PurplePillDebate20/11/23 12:21 AM
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How are men any different from women in this regard?
/r/PurplePillDebate19/11/23 11:51 PM
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How can you make this OP with all the claims that women are serial monogamists who get bored but regain their libido with a new lover? ETA: why do men agonize over paternity if men are the only partners who get bored and prefer novelty?
/r/PurplePillDebate19/11/23 11:35 PM
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I think men need to learn how to entertain their goddamn selves and take care of their own home and family responsibilities instead of relying on New Mommy to take care of it all for them.
/r/PurplePillDebate19/11/23 11:25 PM
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Men are the ones who are emotionally consumed by the idea of other men seeing them as virgins with no experience. Men are consumed with impressing other men with their sexual prowess and ability to get laid. Men are consumed with worry over being caught with single mothers or raising step children. Men are consumed with conspicuous consumption like perfect lawns, muscle cars, big trucks, and truck nuts. Men are consumed with worry their sons are inept in sports. Men are consumed with their wives…
/r/PurplePillDebate19/11/23 10:57 PM
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Yes, I agree that body language means nothing on first dates or first impressions. People are nervous. Pupils dilate for lots of reasons; women aren't cats or owls. Women are notorious for giggling when uncomfortable because when women show disdain or disgust towards men they don't know, the repercussions are unpredictable and occasionally violent.
/r/PurplePillDebate19/11/23 10:45 PM
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Oh, then explain the hysteria about male virginity and how deeply important it is for men to have sex before a certain age.
/r/PurplePillDebate19/11/23 10:26 PM
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What good does that do for anyone? Why not speak from a personal point of view? If you asked for advice from someone who's opinion you are after and that someone just made a guess, how would that make you feel? How can I, a social person involved in group activities and physical fitness with a large group of friends tell a gamer and loner how to get women? He's going to have to find women who share his habits and interests. If the guy is nice, she will say women like nice guys. If he's a nerdy-t…
/r/PurplePillDebate19/11/23 10:11 PM
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You think disenfranchised men who hate women are in any position to raise girls or boys?
/r/PurplePillDebate19/11/23 09:41 PM
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Probably this: "I've had over 7 years of failure on dating apps" and "I'm 23 and still haven't had some core life experiences" What "dating apps" have you been on since 16?
/r/PurplePillDebate19/11/23 09:12 PM
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What does other women's behavior have to do with you or men? Why are you concerned with what women who are not your relatives, friends, or girlfriends, do?
/r/PurplePillDebate19/11/23 08:58 PM
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The misanthropes out themselves and are also online spouting the same hatred and disdain for others. They don't want a family and a healthy, balanced life, they want sex and a repeat of what their mothers provided for them, most of which was enabling and a lot of enmeshment.
/r/PurplePillDebate19/11/23 08:29 PM
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I don't understand what you mean.
/r/PurplePillDebate19/11/23 08:27 PM
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Why did he approach her?
/r/PurplePillDebate19/11/23 08:26 PM
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That's fine, I feel precisely the same way about MMA, which many men in my sphere seem to worship. But what I cannot assume is that men pursue amateur or professional fighting is for the purpose of getting female attention. Some women seem intrigued, some don't. But it's not about us. A man with a split eyebrow, cauliflower ear, and a black eye at the club didn't do it to appeal to me, or to appeal to women. It's just a thing he admires and aspires to do. If a woman is attracted to violence, tha…
/r/PurplePillDebate19/11/23 08:15 PM
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But they are the ones who cant stand the slightest criticism about themselves? What exactly are you trying to do here? Find out everything that is wrong with me and blame the whole thing on me? Well yes, this is what I will tell you now. It's my fault from the very beginning that I didnt realize I was playing a losing game from the very beginning. I should have given up a long time ago because all of this was just apparently wasted time for me. No... I'm recommending dating women with similar ha…
/r/PurplePillDebate19/11/23 08:04 PM
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This isn't necesarrily just a sexual quality, It's absolutely as display of virility, which you may not notice or appreciate as a lesbian. and women don't exactly go around pursuing these sorts of men because it's just not in their nature. We do. Whereas if you're a woman who is purposely applying tons of makeup everyday, wearing revealing clothes with lots of skin showing, you're basically just putting yourself in a position to be sexualized. It's just like an invitation for men to get hard ons…
/r/PurplePillDebate19/11/23 08:04 PM
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I'm not a fan of any of the soft sciences, but anyone who regards others from a clinical, judgmental perspective might benefit from some introspection. You've made all the same derogatory, dismissive, misogynistic comments frustrated, disenfranchised men make. There has to be a reason for that. Either you lack or lost your community, or are looking to exploit gender weaknesses. I'm not saying any of this from a place of disdain or dislike, I'm genuinely hoping you are interested in honest feedba…
/r/PurplePillDebate19/11/23 07:52 PM
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I feel as though this post should be stickied as the perfect real life example of the Hollywood "male gaze". I don't see the point in trying to be professional, get the job done and mixing "being sexy" in the picture. Okay, so men who are tall and physically imposing due to genetics should what... wear baggy clothing to work in order to gain respect and cooperation from colleagues? What about men who work out, should they wear clothing which hides their biceps and quads if they want to be respec…
/r/PurplePillDebate19/11/23 07:47 PM
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I can't respond without a little more information. Do you have a social circle and friends? Are you on the spectrum? These questions aren't an indictment, but your answers may limit the women who respond to you with romantic and sexual interest.
/r/PurplePillDebate19/11/23 07:42 PM
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It's all about them, them, them and what they need to get out of you. Whoa, what? Women don't want to be the sole source of entertainment, support, and family of a man, they want an equal relationship with a self-sustaining human being instead of a dependent.
/r/PurplePillDebate19/11/23 07:40 PM
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30% of men want kids and don't have them. Most of those men despise women and hate any semblance of a social life or social responsibility, how in the hell can they expect raise healthy kids?
/r/PurplePillDebate19/11/23 07:37 PM
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Honestly, to me that was pathetic and like a sign of neediness and wasting time, A few women work pretty hard at attracting men they are interested in, but most women just enjoy hobbies, just like men. Those hobbies can include playing sports and fashion. Those hobbies can include hiking and makeup. Are you sure you aren't suffering some internalized misogyny? And maybe a struggle to find your community of like-minded people? Because the biggest obstacle "red pilled" men face is hating women whi…
/r/PurplePillDebate19/11/23 07:35 PM
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"Don't listen to what they say, watch what they do." Do men still not understand that women who are not remotely attracted to them are just guessing at what they might do to get women? Like... I don't have any idea how my autistic brother finds his girlfriends who are also autistic with few to no friends, but I do know that he can't just get in their faces, joke around, flex and complain about his "sore muscles" or take her to a festival. I can only assume the women who will feel attraction to m…
/r/PurplePillDebate19/11/23 07:31 PM
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Lesbians prefer the same things in partners: social skills vs the intense focus of a loner. A sense of humor vs an analytical, argumentative nerd. Social skills versus the intense focus of a friendless, desperate approach. A relaxed posture and easy, friendly grin versus uptight, intense staring and judgemental commentary. A vested interest in mutual attractive versus relentless, one-sided pursuit and a sales pitch. Attraction is different for men, who "fall" for and claim to fall in love with w…
/r/PurplePillDebate19/11/23 07:28 PM
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I've never heard it anywhere outside of here. My brother is on the spectrum and he and his friends are online more than they socialize in real life, and I never hear them use these terms. I'd immediately ditch anyone I heard using cult jargon.
/r/PurplePillDebate19/11/23 02:51 PM
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It merely explains how men and women choose each other. It’s an awkward cartoon drawn by a man who is observing from the outside who has clearly never interacted with women in any meaningful way outside of staring at them and guessing at what happens when he isn’t around to observe.
/r/PurplePillDebate19/11/23 03:00 AM
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It’s not comprehension, it’s plausible deniability, the song of their people. When they are ignored or rejected, they resort to “I wasn’t/he wasn’t flirting with you gosh you are so delusional”. It’s how men save face when rejected while also punishing the women who reject them.
/r/PurplePillDebate19/11/23 02:15 AM
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Maybe search your own posts for the number of times you used “friendzone”.
/r/PurplePillDebate19/11/23 02:12 AM
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Most women don’t give a fuck what men they aren’t attracted to think, and the handful of women who are willing to do sex work for money don’t care what those men think, either. They are just lazy and/or possess the ability to suppress disgust.
/r/PurplePillDebate19/11/23 02:05 AM
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Cause they are the ones who gawk at children.
/r/PurplePillDebate19/11/23 01:51 AM
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There are men, legions, who believe that women exist for their entertainment and perusal. Who believe that women spend every waking and dreaming minute planning methods of distracting and attracting men. They think women literally live for male feedback and approval. It’s the same men who gawked at 8 and 9 year old children who developed early. The same men who believe that women’s bodies exist at them, developed expressly to bamboozle and arouse men. The same men who memorize ages of consent, w…
/r/PurplePillDebate19/11/23 01:46 AM
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I feel like it might be a perception of friendliness, really. A relaxed posture and easy smile makes it far easier to chat with strangers.
/r/PurplePillDebate19/11/23 01:24 AM
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There are plenty of people who would like to fuck men. But men may not be attracted to them or flattered by the offer to use their bodies as a cum sock. Funny how that works huh.
/r/PurplePillDebate19/11/23 12:52 AM
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It never quits. My mom was approached her entire life and still insists on changing out of a golf or tennis skirt before running errands or going to lunch. She’s in her 70s. Men forget they will age, too, and they will be interested in women their own age.
/r/PurplePillDebate19/11/23 12:51 AM
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I’m ordinary looking and way too tall for 90% of men. And I’m approached all the time, but I have a resting smiling face, laugh easily, and I am open to organic small talk with strangers. I despise PUA and hate getting cornered by loners who are obviously out to stalk women, but I don’t care at all if anyone approaches in a social venue. But I won’t go out with a stranger. Zero interest in someone I have nothing in common with and even less interest in dating anyone who is so socially isolated t…
/r/PurplePillDebate19/11/23 12:50 AM
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Have you been following the same thread?
/r/PurplePillDebate18/11/23 09:51 PM
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I’m asking if making adjustments to your appearance and workout routine magically made women who weren’t formerly attracted see you as boyfriend or fwb material, as suggested by OP.
/r/PurplePillDebate18/11/23 08:35 PM
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When does working out somehow make them social, emotionally, sexually, and culturally compatible? I work with 8 men under 35 and all are physically fit and at least moderately physically attractive right now. There is absolutely nothing they can do to make us compatible or make me feel sexual or emotional attraction to them. Nothing. Same goes for my platonic male friends, who are all fit right now. By your prescription, what could any of those fit men in my orbit do to make me fall in love with…
/r/PurplePillDebate18/11/23 06:37 PM
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Done. When do we get to talk reason and common sense?
/r/PurplePillDebate18/11/23 06:33 PM
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What in the world are PC and FZ???
/r/PurplePillDebate18/11/23 06:32 PM
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A better body doesn’t change who he is. It doesn’t magically gift him with similar upbringing and a similar sense of humor. Or similar sociopolitical views. A better body doesn’t facilitate rapport or shared goals and experiences.
/r/PurplePillDebate18/11/23 06:31 PM
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Suggesting a guy u wish was more attractive physically to lift He’s still the same person she isn’t compatible with what aren’t you getting???
/r/PurplePillDebate18/11/23 06:30 PM
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hopes, risk with violent revenge once he realizes he's not the one. For sure. The entire exhausting overwrought, overdramatic and whiny “friendzone” complaint is what happens when women are nice and supportive to men they aren’t attracted to. If there is one thing women cannot do to support men, it’s to show any level of interest in them unless there is zero chance that he’s nursing a one-sided attraction.
/r/PurplePillDebate18/11/23 06:26 PM
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I’m responding to your posts. I tried responding to the video but it’s just awkward nonsense with no basis in science or reason. No one should lead platonic friends on and give them hope they might somehow feel attraction for them. No one should assume that women are so shallow and superficial that simply working out for a few months somehow fundamentally changes who a man is or magically creates compatibility and chemistry where non existed before. Men shouldn’t relentlessly orbit women under t…
/r/PurplePillDebate18/11/23 06:21 PM
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So every girl you chased in elementary and high school is now lined up and begging for your attention?
/r/PurplePillDebate18/11/23 06:10 PM
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That is what you are saying. What the man in the video is saying is “pretend to be a little bit mean”. Both of you are pretending that women can simply decide to be attracted to a man if he makes a small change in his behavior, and women keep telling you he is still the same incomparable, unsexy, unappealing friend even if he gets a haircut, works out, or kicks a puppy.
/r/PurplePillDebate18/11/23 06:09 PM
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Yeah it is. Every post which supports the video is an endorsement that women should settle for men they are not attracted to and use their resources apparently just so he can be happy. But she will leave him for a man she can relate to and a man she finds attractive or leave him with a dead bedroom because she isn’t sexually attracted to him at all.
/r/PurplePillDebate18/11/23 06:05 PM
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I watched it, and I resent you for linking to it because it’s completely awkward rendition of “Women, marry the men you aren’t attracted to.”
/r/PurplePillDebate18/11/23 06:03 PM
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I work in a busy college city known for athletics. There are hundreds of fit, muscular men and nearly all are invisible because their personalities, cultures, and sociopolitical views only work with women who find them appealing on an individual level. If working out were sufficient for compatibility, no man would ever be unsuccessful or frustrated. Apply reason and common sense here. If I can’t stand a guy or I find him merely tolerable, working out for a couple months isn’t going to somehow ma…
/r/PurplePillDebate18/11/23 06:01 PM
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Men who will fuck anything typically aren’t one’s experiencing abundance. This sentence entirely contradicts itself.
/r/PurplePillDebate18/11/23 05:56 PM
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Where is this magical land where women and children aren’t slut shamed and their bodies policed and exposed to Abrahamic religion? Where is this magical land where women aren’t blamed for sexual assault and pregnancy and derided for revealing their sexual identities via fashion or behavior? Women would flock to that space which only exists in your fantasies.
/r/PurplePillDebate18/11/23 05:56 PM
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U are physically more attractive and the woman lust for u now how the fuck does your logic make this settling? He did nothing to ensure they are more socially and emotionally compatible. He cannot change who he is, or change his experience and expectations. He cannot change his sociopolitical beliefs. He’s still the same, incompatible person even if he went to a gym for a few y'all really struggle with taking the random emotions outa this Are you seriously asking women to take their emotions out…
/r/PurplePillDebate18/11/23 05:52 PM
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The men who are not successful with women because they are “nice guys” aren’t nice, they are asexual or near it. They aren’t “nice”, they are asocial or near it. They aren’t “nice”, they aim for women who are not operating in the same cultural, social, or physical spheres. There are no hacks. If a man is conservative, inhibited, religious, or asocial, he is never going to be the better choice for outgoing, attractive women. And outgoing, attractive women are not attracted to “bad boys”, they are…
/r/PurplePillDebate18/11/23 05:41 PM
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Your edit now encourages women to lead their platonic male friends on then decided after he’s jumped through enough hoops whether or not she’s physically attracted. So men want to be treated as pinch hitters? A back up plan? Men want to be settled for?
/r/PurplePillDebate18/11/23 05:37 PM
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I didn’t say homeless, but men think nothing of fucking or seeking sexual favors from women they would never take home to meet family and never be seen with at parties. Men lack scruples and their body count reflects this, it sure as fuck doesn’t reflect their popularity.
/r/PurplePillDebate18/11/23 05:33 PM
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Not sure if you meant undatable or untenable, but those women have a specific problem, and that’s being raised in conservative environments where they are blamed since they were toddlers for tempting men and acting as occasions to sin. No one is screeching at boys to “sit like a gentlemen so the pastor/creepy aunt/teachers are tempted to act out”. Boys aren’t shamed when the band of their underwear shows or they reveal three inches of asscrack every time they squat or bend over. Boys aren’t blam…
/r/PurplePillDebate18/11/23 05:32 PM
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Every boy knows that pretty girls prefer cute boys and every man is aware that attractive women prefer attractive men. Only a certain subset of men who regard women as non human, asexual creatures who can be manipulated into relationships or marriage by pretending to be asexual themselves. If men actually give a shit about understanding women, they’ll stop seeking advice from other unsuccessful men and actually apply reason and common sense. Is she an attractive cheerleader and volleyball player…
/r/PurplePillDebate18/11/23 05:25 PM
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I wasn't referring to women's standards at all, I'm referring to men who routinely claim and prove they will have sex with anyone willing and some who are not. Having sex with dozens of women means he's desperate for attention and scraping the bottom of the barrel, not popular with popular women.
/r/PurplePillDebate18/11/23 04:41 PM
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You demanded everyone watched a video you didn’t watch and now you accuse people who disagree of trolling. Do you plan on arguing in good faith?
/r/PurplePillDebate18/11/23 02:55 PM
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They are friends because we are not sexually compatible. A new haircut isn’t going to cause me to be attracted. Neither will a new hobby. Or working out. Or changing his sociopolitical beliefs and his past or his family or any of the other inane things men try in order to persuade women to date them. Attraction is either there or it isn’t and cannot be negotiated.
/r/PurplePillDebate18/11/23 02:38 PM
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There are dozens of fit men at my old gym, most are completely repellent for dozens of reasons. A nerdy, introverted gamer who believes in conspiracy theories is still going to be unappealing and unattractive to me when he works out. He can’t change who he is. And I would never trust or respect a man who pretends to be someone else.
/r/PurplePillDebate18/11/23 02:36 PM
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I’m invest in real estate. I date men I’m emotionally, physically, and socially compatible with. The other men aren’t options, they are generic people.
/r/PurplePillDebate18/11/23 02:31 PM
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What zone turns a man I’m not emotional, mentally, or physically attracted to into the man I am compatible with?
/r/PurplePillDebate18/11/23 02:29 PM
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Attraction has to do with more than mere physical features for women. Working out doesn’t change who he is.
/r/PurplePillDebate18/11/23 02:25 PM
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Does he want to have sex with a wife who is physically attracted? Or is this a business arrangement in which she gets financial compensation in exchange for legally binding herself to a man she doesn’t want to kiss?
/r/PurplePillDebate18/11/23 02:17 PM
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I thought you watched the video you demanded we watch before replying.
/r/PurplePillDebate18/11/23 02:14 PM
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U don't have sex durinf the investment period? I will not have sex with any man I’m not powerfully attracted to, period. Why is every woman instantly mentioning sex like it's mandatory Because it’s assumed that marriages involve having sex with a partner one is attracted to for the duration of a marriage, and being pressured to have sex for decades with a man a woman isn’t attracted to is a horrible existence.
/r/PurplePillDebate18/11/23 02:14 PM
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If both parties are on the same page, great. But it’s easy to see how much suffering both pressure to perform and rejection causes inside a long term relationship. Most marriages are not business arrangements, they are a love match. I don’t know anyone willing to sacrifice their body for decades so only one spouse gets what they want. And I don’t know anyone willing to forgo sex for decades because their partner isn’t attracted. Both sound like miserable lives.
/r/PurplePillDebate18/11/23 02:11 PM
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You didn’t even answer my question. Why did the narrator call the mailman a bad boy? Explain it.
/r/PurplePillDebate18/11/23 02:05 PM
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Unappealing men aren’t a good option for her future if either party expects to have an enjoy sex for the duration of the relationship.
/r/PurplePillDebate18/11/23 02:04 PM
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It’s because TRP men here believe women’s sexuality is negligible and unimportant when compared to their desires. They don’t even try to hide it. “Women don’t know what they want” is one of their mantras.
/r/PurplePillDebate18/11/23 02:02 PM
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What is good about it?
/r/PurplePillDebate18/11/23 01:56 PM
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Yes. It is called investing in the future. Meanwhile being pressured to have terrible sex with someone a woman isn’t attracted to for how long? Eternity? When is it ever a “responsible” idea for a woman to marry a man she doesn’t enjoy sex with? I bet there are hundreds of men on r/ deadbedrooms who wish they haven’t persuaded, mislead, or “won over” women who regard them as a roommate.
/r/PurplePillDebate18/11/23 01:52 PM
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This is very hard to watch, it’s so painfully awkward. Why is the mailman moved to the “bad boy” category just because he’s good looking? What in the world would anyone spend this much time spitballing with no actual conclusion whatsoever? If there is no mutual attraction, men are people. That’s it. Not potential boyfriends, not potential fuckbuddies, not potential anything. They are generic human beings deserving of respect who are largely forgotten the moment they are out of sight. Same as wom…
/r/PurplePillDebate18/11/23 01:40 PM
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The question boils down to, am I physically attracted to the real her? People who say that 'oh the fact that you lied about being six foot instead of 5'10 is why I rejected you' Same question for both you and the woman rejecting a man who misrepresented his height. Lying and insecurity are unattractive, which makes him less attractive in his women’s eyes.
/r/PurplePillDebate18/11/23 01:16 PM
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To rehash, you are upset the woman in the OP lied and misrepresented her appearance, but you feel it should be acceptable for men to lie and misrepresent their appearance. When women use filters, they are untrustworthy. But when men lie about their height, it’s because women are superficial. That means you, in particular, overlook the woman’s use of filters because you, as a man, are not superficial, right? Just want to make sure you hold yourself to the same standards you expect from women.
/r/PurplePillDebate18/11/23 01:05 PM
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Your actual topic neatly switched to a discussion of how superficial women are, didn’t it, which means it isn’t about the filters on the video at all. People who say that 'oh the fact that you lied about being six foot instead of 5'10 is why I rejected you' are just trying to cover the fact that it's really just the height itself that caused the rejection No, it’s about the lying, because she might have liked him fine if he hadn’t lied.
/r/PurplePillDebate18/11/23 12:42 PM
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And people who get huffy about "lies" regarding superficial traits are typically lying to themselves about their superficiality. It’s precisely what you said.
/r/PurplePillDebate18/11/23 12:35 PM
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And people who get huffy about "lies" regarding superficial traits are typically lying to themselves about their superficiality. There it is. This isn’t about catfishing at all. This is a long-winded lead up to “Women are too superficial and most aren’t nearly as pretty as they think they are and should settle for average or below average men” Why didn’t you just lead with that?
/r/PurplePillDebate18/11/23 12:30 PM
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Hang out at work with me for a few hours or go to a bar and watch a dozen men lie right to my face about their height. Watch 5’9” men insist I’m three inches taller than my actual height because they are six feet tall. Watch them argue with me while I’m looking at the top of their head. Watch men who never go outside clomp around in Timberlands and men who get zero exercise sport AirMaxes to add a couple inches. Give a couple of these men some alcohol and they argue about my height very aggressi…
/r/PurplePillDebate18/11/23 12:04 PM
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it doesn't link to anything other than the image hosting site. Ha ha do you realize in your attempt to argue against ragebait you just admitted that the image of a dating profile has zero data behind it? Fake ragebait. Fake.
/r/PurplePillDebate17/11/23 09:53 PM
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Fake dating profiles are fake and designed for engagement and revenue. Fake comments on fake dating profiles are also fake. Also designed to make unhappy men super duper angry so they will obediently interact with and link to the posts. Pew doesn’t create fake dating profiles.
/r/PurplePillDebate17/11/23 09:14 PM
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I don’t believe you understand that you are paying some immoral idiot every time you share ragebait and it doesn’t matter if it’s a social media post or an article. Anything which incited disaffected men to link to and engagement with ragebait content, you are paying someone who makes a living from convincing disaffected men to work for them for free.
/r/PurplePillDebate17/11/23 09:01 PM
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What sites are hosting the phony stats and phony graphs? Who is hosting? Do you know what hosting means? How about engagement?
/r/PurplePillDebate17/11/23 08:52 PM
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except all that evidence has all been posted to TRP forums were money has nothing to do with it. Post engagement is precisely how social media grifters gain revenue. View count, interactions, likes, comments, and shares pay the monsters who create ragebait for the sole purpose of riling up disaffected men. Every time a black pill or red pill follower interacts or shares, he puts money in their pockets.
/r/PurplePillDebate17/11/23 08:40 PM
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No. You are righting all of that evidence off as fake There is no evidence, only ragebait designed to derive revenue from engagement because TRP grifters know their audience very well. you don't believe these people exist and there aren't a lot of shitty women out there. Plenty of shorty people on the world without believing and sharing manufactured horseshit.
/r/PurplePillDebate17/11/23 08:02 PM
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So men can similarly ignore women who moan about SA and the like? If they have no evidence and no legal or professional action was taken, I don’t care what you believe. But camera and witnesses are everywhere. If you really don't believe that there are all these shitty women out there then I can only surmise you are one of the shitty ones as only a shitty one would think the actions of these types is ok. I can only guess you’ve confused me with another poster but I have no idea what you are refe…
/r/PurplePillDebate17/11/23 07:17 PM
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Any proof they are fake? Yeah, the utter lack of sources. Every 8th grader knows how to verify sources. Many many men have experienced all the things posted about so the demonstration of these things is a legitimate demonstration on just how shitty women can be. Many men claim to have seen Bigfoot and ghosts. No one believes them without evidence, either.
/r/PurplePillDebate17/11/23 07:08 PM
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Photos of graphs and phony mock ups dating profiles and messages without source material is fake. That’s how the burden of proof works. Women can’t help it if men are gullible and believe anything male social media influencers bait them with.
/r/PurplePillDebate17/11/23 06:43 PM
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I spent a couple weeks in traction after a car wreck and decided to waste my time watching John Hughes movies and assorted 80s and 90s “romance”. Holy shit those men are disturbed. Do men fail to recognize the rape scenes in Revenge of the Nerds and Animal House? Are they unaware the nerd never gets the girl in Hughes films? Men here reference that shit far too often as primers on how to pursue and date women and oh my god none of them actually watched the endings.
/r/PurplePillDebate17/11/23 06:17 PM
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If this is gospel, why aren’t those men getting snatched up left and right? There is far more to attraction than mere symmetry of features.
/r/PurplePillDebate17/11/23 06:13 PM
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You’d prefer New Testament cruelty against men and children? No problem. Matthew 5:17 ring a bell? Jesus of Nazareth was somewhat generous and inclusive towards women and his bros strung him up like jerky.
/r/PurplePillDebate17/11/23 06:09 PM
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The same Bible in which God gambled on Job’s allegiance with Satan by murdering Job’s wife, children, and livestock? The same Bible in which OT God murdered all the male infants, children, and livestock? The same God who sent bears to mail children who made fun of a bald man? This is your model of masculine benevolence? Seriously?
/r/PurplePillDebate17/11/23 06:00 PM
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That doesn’t mean women will feel physical attraction for him. At best, it means he isn’t objectionable to look at in passing. At worst, it means “Why in the world does he think we’re compatible?”
/r/PurplePillDebate17/11/23 05:54 PM
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They readily admit they spend all their time at work and in public spaces ranking and rating women. Might as well slap a number on them, too. I’d hate myself for reducing an entire human to a ranking, but hell. If we don’t turn the tables, they will never realize how horrid such behavior is. “Sure, he’s somewhat photogenic and has a decent job, but he’s friendless and ill-at-ease when speaking with strangers, believes conspiracy theories, votes against feeding indigent children and hates dogs an…
/r/PurplePillDebate17/11/23 05:52 PM
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Did you just… dismiss the entirety of art, fiction, poetry, prose, song, and religion by referring to the vast historical army of male authors as simps?
/r/PurplePillDebate17/11/23 05:46 PM
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On their flank.
/r/PurplePillDebate17/11/23 05:44 PM
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The sources are mostly fake graphs and fake messages to fake dating profiles they pulled from some manosphere social media influencers X feed. Science isn’t welcome in the manosphere or TRP in general.
/r/PurplePillDebate17/11/23 05:43 PM
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It’s impossible because the manosphere was designed and managed by shady social media influencers who make money from recreational outrage. The graphs they link from Twitter? Zero sources. A gorilla could have mocked them up. The JPEGs of chadfishing and women supposedly responding to pedo dating profiles? Fake fake fake. The “field reports” posted by PUAs? Pure fantasy, and most of the major contributors to PUA content have been outed for hiring actresses. TRP is filled with blog posts men call…
/r/PurplePillDebate17/11/23 05:42 PM
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Men have historically and presently written the vast bulk of romantic fiction. And almost all of it from the Labors of Hercules to the White Knight to the nerd-gets-the-girl describes men bowing at the feet of maidens, queens, and cheerleaders. Thank men for the social order of courtship.
/r/PurplePillDebate17/11/23 05:34 PM
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Am I the only person who imagines men on the livestock auction block, with auctioneers displaying their biceps, portfolios, and the size and fullness of their testes?
/r/PurplePillDebate17/11/23 05:30 PM
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Most androcentric fiction is an iteration of Napoleon syndrome, in which the male lead smothers the female lead with ridiculous grand gestures of chivalry and phony heroism.
/r/PurplePillDebate17/11/23 05:21 PM
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I don’t date unlikeable, unpopular men, so this isn’t a concern to me at all. But the idea that how much sex a man has indicated his desirability is laughable. Men fuck unconscious women in filthy alleys behind dumpsters. Guarantee Brock Turner counts that encounter as a “win” of some sort. Men drug women’s drinks at such an alarming rate that whole fortunes have been made on designing methods of protecting women’s drinks in public. If a man my age told me he’d had sex with 100 women, I’d know i…
/r/PurplePillDebate17/11/23 05:14 PM
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He did and still does. Depending on your market and interests, some of you see him and his wife on television and he’s pretty cool.
/r/PurplePillDebate17/11/23 05:02 PM
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Shots fired But yeah, this is succinct and ought to end this debate forever.
/r/PurplePillDebate17/11/23 05:01 PM
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In all of my relationships, we discussed about past relationships. And it was great. You can't understand the other if you don't know his/her past. Maybe he/she has been abused, maybe he/she needs/wants something specific... If someone feels the need to share and the other is open, great. I’m not opposed to hearing about someone’s past troubles or insecurities if they feel it’s need-to-know information. But no, I’m not ever going to indulge a cuck fetish and describe the sex I’ve had with previo…
/r/PurplePillDebate17/11/23 04:58 PM
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It doesn’t matter how a man rates his photo and his portfolio. What matters is mutual attraction, compatibility, rapport, and common values and goals. Please note I listed mutual attraction first. If there is none, compatibility, rapport, and common values and goals are irrelevant. Again: human beings are not cattle at auction and cannot be ranked on paper. The value of one human to another is based on how they fit or repel.
/r/PurplePillDebate17/11/23 04:54 PM
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That’s typical and normal in my experience. It’s hard to communicate with the obsessive planners in PPD who develop weird “strategies” for every possible outcome in order to make their lives orderly and predictable, but outside of insular religious sects, humans are a unique combination of nature and nurture and some tend to follow whatever pattern they noted in their parents. Which can end disastrously if rigid thinkers become enraged by differing experiences and behavior.
/r/PurplePillDebate17/11/23 04:48 PM
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I don’t know if this thread is a good fit, but the people who claim that sex is sacred and holy or whatever haven’t thought this through. Even when sex starts off gentle and slow, the route towards orgasm is a sweaty, frenzied, humping, feral couple-ten minutes. Maybe some virgins should prepare. But reaching orgasm is rarely a gentle, romantic process. That doesn’t mean a partner willfully spoils a romantic mood, that’s just how good sex usually ends. Even if the path to orgasm is slow, there a…
/r/PurplePillDebate17/11/23 04:45 PM
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Super easy to avoid, they tell on themselves all the time. Prying questions, TRP jargon, conspiracy rhetoric… This thread is like a primer.
/r/PurplePillDebate17/11/23 04:39 PM
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Sure it is. I’ve never encountered a real live man who fixates on a woman’s past. The problem short boyfriend had was due to his own insecurity, and he suffered the usual short guy fixation on tall men. I did my best, but ultimately could never have been happy because he was always measuring himself against other men, mirroring your posts exactly. The minute he reacted negatively to a seven year old prom picture was the moment I lost all respect and interest in him. Cuck fetishes disgust me, but…
/r/PurplePillDebate17/11/23 04:37 PM
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I was fifteen and had no idea what size his dick was and it wouldn’t have mattered if it was small. I adored him until we grew apart. TRP men’s fixation on women’s past is pure cuck fetish.
/r/PurplePillDebate17/11/23 04:20 PM
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I find it weird that men so desperately want to hear about other dick, and that level of insecurity immediately evaporates any respect and desire I have for that person.
/r/PurplePillDebate17/11/23 04:09 PM
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Okay. My high school boyfriend was nearly seven feet tall and has a dick bigger around than my wrist. He was also a D2 athlete who achieved some fame for breaking a record. I can’t imagine any future boyfriends actually want to hear about that. The only short man I ever dated and really fell for went completely to pieces when he saw our prom pics on the mantle at my parents’ a couple Christmas’ ago. Men think they want to know, and men think they can handle these discussions, but their “curiosit…
/r/PurplePillDebate17/11/23 04:00 PM
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The opposite is true. But digging into someone’s past isn’t my kink. It’s classless.
/r/PurplePillDebate17/11/23 03:48 PM
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The mark of a “true adult” is to display manners and decorum. I don't even want to have a casual conversation with someone crude enough to discuss the sex they’ve had in the past.
/r/PurplePillDebate17/11/23 03:40 PM
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You have that though, right? Or do I have you confused with another poster?
/r/PurplePillDebate17/11/23 03:37 PM
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I like your answer better than my own and agree completely.
/r/PurplePillDebate17/11/23 03:33 PM
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I own my own home and land, and most men my age are either still at home or living with roommates or a rental. So anyone I date has to be okay with me being farther along in life. But I also don’t care that other people under thirty are still at home or haven’t saved or invested money. Those are my choices, because I grew up in a crowded house and worked to buy my own space. So definitely not traditional, with no expectations of others who are at different stages in their lives. How would you pr…
/r/PurplePillDebate17/11/23 03:32 PM
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I wouldn’t date anyone so crass, period. Talking about sex with other people is the opposite of how to win someone’s favor and trust.
/r/PurplePillDebate17/11/23 03:25 PM
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Yeah I don’t get this question at all. Anyone who goes outside sees as many women taking care of the yard as men, and it’s not a big deal. I’d rather do yard work than almost any mundane housekeeping chore. Maybe some men here don’t go outside or something?
/r/PurplePillDebate17/11/23 11:32 AM
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Did you read the OP of the thread you are posting in?
/r/PurplePillDebate17/11/23 07:02 AM
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For the same reason a person who lives in the desert has no reason to participate in a discussion about lawn care. Surely can’t be two non lawn owning people in a thread about mowing, right?
/r/PurplePillDebate17/11/23 06:57 AM
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People who don’t have lawns aren’t in the discussion about mowing lawns, right? Why would anyone with sand and a xeriscape (or living in an apartment or condo) bother to chime in?
/r/PurplePillDebate17/11/23 06:38 AM
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JFC mowing a lawn is nothing. Using a chainsaw and string trimmer is dirty and physically tiring but no big deal unless one is handicapped in some way, it’s an excellent method of burning calories. Whoever is home when the grass needs work is who does mows. Is OP from the mid century?
/r/PurplePillDebate17/11/23 06:36 AM
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The car salesman are sleazy, manipulative, greedy people. Is this a real post? Car prices are available online and cars can be purchased and the price negotiated by simply choosing a dealership with the lowest prices. Salespeople who work on commission can be pushy and desperate but anyone can simply walk away from a bad price.
/r/PurplePillDebate17/11/23 06:29 AM
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I’ve never met a woman in my life who has never cut a lawn, much less one who brags about it.
/r/PurplePillDebate17/11/23 06:26 AM
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Because they are scared of him, same as they are the fathers who abandoned them, and they have a desire to lash out at their own single mothers who sacrificed their entire lives to raise thankless boys. Probably.
/r/PurplePillDebate17/11/23 12:11 AM
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They don’t find Chad despicable, they are intimidated by Chad and revere Chad. They attack single mothers because they don’t fear the repercussions.
/r/PurplePillDebate16/11/23 11:29 PM
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Laugh at socially inept men. As they do.
/r/PurplePillDebate16/11/23 10:44 PM
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No, no. Attractive, socially adept men don’t pay for female attention.
/r/PurplePillDebate16/11/23 10:44 PM
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Men are terrified by Chads and sexually successful men, that’s why they blame single mothers and defend deadbeat fathers.
/r/PurplePillDebate16/11/23 10:27 PM
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I dunno, as many men as TRP men call worthless Chads, drug dealers, losers?
/r/PurplePillDebate16/11/23 10:26 PM
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If those men were physically and socially attractive they were also popular in their younger years.
/r/PurplePillDebate16/11/23 10:24 PM
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What?? No. Men are far more likely to pursue sex at the cost of compromising their values but they hide it because they are worried about the repercussions of (you know) masculinity. Men are convinced the entire realm of sexuality belongs to them, including what women do and feel. Lesbians? Performative to appeal to men. Fashion? For men. Breasts? Girls grow them for men.
/r/PurplePillDebate16/11/23 09:11 PM
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I’m not concerned about men whining about deadbeat fathers, my concern is about unsuccessful men refusing to go after the parents who abandon their own children because they are cowards.
/r/PurplePillDebate16/11/23 08:34 PM
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Put commitment over tingles. That's all they have to do. Not hard at all. Men don’t do that, do they?
/r/PurplePillDebate16/11/23 08:06 PM
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Not a strawman, a relevant example. Was Weinstein creepy or not?
/r/PurplePillDebate16/11/23 08:05 PM
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Nope, only old men or rich men who couldn’t possible attract women without wealth.
/r/PurplePillDebate16/11/23 07:58 PM
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What would going after these men even look like? Holding men accountable for raising and paying for their abandoned and unwanted children. Shaming your fathers, uncles, friend’s and coworkers for abandoning and neglecting their children. Raising social hell against deadbeat fathers and ostracizing them and publicly castigating them for avoiding responsibility. If they don't pay, we put them in jail. Horseshit. Men routinely enable those men and pay them cash under the table or believe their bull…
/r/PurplePillDebate16/11/23 07:58 PM
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Probably the same percentage of women who date men who are taller since men tend to be taller and make more money than women. Why do you ask?
/r/PurplePillDebate16/11/23 07:52 PM
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Honey, those men are not accountable, and many refuse to work or take cash pay in order to avoid accountability and most of them have little to no participation in their children's lives and upbringing. The mothers are there, sacrificing their lives and living in poverty in order to raise the children they love, and most of us women, even childfree women, are okay with government intervention because we value the lives of those kids even when their fathers abandon them. Men don't seem to mind pa…
/r/PurplePillDebate16/11/23 07:22 PM
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At gunpoint. Women are holding men at gunpoint?
/r/PurplePillDebate16/11/23 07:06 PM
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I'll answer them again if you really want me to but it seems like you're just going to ignore the answer again because you don't like the truth. The truth is that disenfranchised men are fine with paying for Chad's abandoned children because they are too cowardly to hold deadbeat fathers accountable for abandoning their children. They attack the mothers who stay and raise their children because they perceive mothers as weaker and less-than, and also because those men are cowards afraid to go aft…
/r/PurplePillDebate16/11/23 07:05 PM
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Okay, then who are men asking and who is lying to men, if the other men are exposed to the same information and they get laid? Who do TRP men claim is lying to them?
/r/PurplePillDebate16/11/23 07:04 PM
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Yes, prostitutes pretend interest, that's how they get paid.
/r/PurplePillDebate16/11/23 07:03 PM
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Harvy Weinstein got laid, and most women would argue he was a lot wartier, fatter, and more hideous and just monstrous in general than Guzman. Do you believe the wanna be actresses in Weinstein's sphere actually found him attractive?
/r/PurplePillDebate16/11/23 07:00 PM
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"Sugar babies" too. Prostitution is sex work no matter how it's framed. Some women are willing to act interested in order to extract resources from old men while still enjoying sex with men their own age on the sly.
/r/PurplePillDebate16/11/23 06:58 PM
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Y'all think young actresses in Hollywood didn't think Harvey Weinstein was creepy?? Come on.
/r/PurplePillDebate16/11/23 06:57 PM
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Money makes a man useful, not handsome.
/r/PurplePillDebate16/11/23 06:54 PM
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Attractive to prostitutes, sure. Why in the world are "older men with sexual capital, social capital, and financial capital" so excited about paying for attention from women who gave that attention to men their own age for free? How in the world do TRP men not see they are paying for sex from younger women?
/r/PurplePillDebate16/11/23 06:54 PM
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I'm asking simple questions with easy answers. Why are most men doing fine with women, while a few insist they've been mislead? Who is misleading a few men? Who? And what, exactly, are those few men asking women? Are they actually asking their mothers "How do I get laid?"
/r/PurplePillDebate16/11/23 06:49 PM
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Why don't men hold men accountable for abandoning their children and why are the same men happy to pay for those men's hedonistic sex lives? They must be terrified and intimidated by those men, else they'd hold those men financially and socially accountable for creating children they have no intention of raising.
/r/PurplePillDebate16/11/23 06:46 PM
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I think what is going on is one man claimed his mother "lied to him" and the other men picked that up and ran with the claim blindly, much like the claim that "women aren't accountable" while collectively refusing to explain what women are supposed to be accountable for. In other words, I don't believe men. I absolutely believe men are disappointed and disaffected, and feeling disenfranchised, but I do not believe in any way this is women's fault because there is no evidence whatsoever that wome…
/r/PurplePillDebate16/11/23 06:44 PM
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What, exactly, were boys asking grown women about getting laid, dating, marriage or whatever?
/r/PurplePillDebate16/11/23 06:41 PM
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Men who blame women for the actions of deadbeat fathers are cowards who admit they contentedly pay for Chad's irresponsible orgasms while they toil away frustrated and alone to support Chad's children. If those men actually gave a damn about accountability, they'd go after deadbeat fathers.
/r/PurplePillDebate16/11/23 05:51 PM
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Women do pay for and raise their children, men don't. Women know men blame mothers because men are afraid to confront deadbeat and prolific absentee fathers.
/r/PurplePillDebate16/11/23 05:22 PM
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No reason, I didn't realize red pilled men enjoyed paying for the children of deadbeat fathers so much. Oh well, at least those men aren't jealous of deadbeat fathers and are compliant with paying for Chads to get laid while they toil away to feed Chad's children.
/r/PurplePillDebate16/11/23 05:08 PM
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They were lied to. Who lied to them?
/r/PurplePillDebate16/11/23 05:01 PM
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Women don't care what undesirable men want, and men don't care what undesirable women want. It's weird that women understand that, but men don't.
/r/PurplePillDebate16/11/23 05:00 PM
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Who are you?
/r/PurplePillDebate16/11/23 04:55 PM
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It isn't their kid, it's hers. Men who struggle with dating shame single mothers because they are too afraid to call sexually and physically aggressive deadbeat fathers to task.
/r/PurplePillDebate16/11/23 04:54 PM
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I value kids Yeah? You help pregnant minors raped by adults and clergy get abortions?
/r/PurplePillDebate16/11/23 04:07 PM
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Again, I said IF THE MESSAGE IS GOOD OR CORRECT. Yeah, so how's that been working out so far? The Church believes their message is GOOD AND CORRECT while moving pedos around the planet to abuse boys. LDS church claims their message is GOOD AND CORRECT while concealing pedos, deviants, and killing women with ectopic pregnancies and denying PPD. JWs have been claiming to be GOOD AND CORRECT while moving pedos around the globe, allowing physical abuse of children and spouses, and concealing records…
/r/PurplePillDebate16/11/23 04:06 PM
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Oh. How bout you start? What do men want? State it plainly, and be sure to make it clear and speak for all men as TRP men expect women to do.
/r/PurplePillDebate16/11/23 03:59 PM
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Cool. Then hit up all those ugly, obese, single mothers with flat chests, flat butts, and no waists who haven't had any success with dating.
/r/PurplePillDebate16/11/23 03:58 PM
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TRP and PPD men routinely make the claim that women "lied to them" while also revealing they have no social life, don't want a social life, don't want friends, have no and don't want any female friends, and their entire social experience is lived online while gaming or pursing content by social media influencers who make money off of disenfranchised men. Not to mention the peculiar complaint that women are required to help men get laid and find romance? Like... how many tasks do men expect women…
/r/PurplePillDebate16/11/23 03:56 PM
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Somebody's motivation matters less than their message. Oh? So when a church worth billions claims "We have to be careful and ensure that Protestants/Mormons/Catholics/Witnesses don't date outside their faith because everyone outside their faith are sexual deviants" while covering up centuries of sexual abuse from clergy members, their motivation for the message shouldn't count? You sure about that?
/r/PurplePillDebate16/11/23 03:46 PM
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Women, just like men, don't give a flying fuck what people who they are not attracted to think of their choices. If she isn't dating him, she doesn't care if he approves of her choices. And if he isn't attracted to her, he doesn't care enough to consider what choices she makes. Why can't we all just tell the truth here? Men don't actually care about women's mental, emotional, or relationship health, unless they are attracted to her. Then it's suddenly a "social and global crisis". I mean, which …
/r/PurplePillDebate16/11/23 03:22 PM
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While it's heartwarming to imagine an online army of men deeply and sincerely concerned with the well-being of women, the truth is those men are only angry that they women they find attractive find other men attractive. The same army of deeply concerned, socially conscious and considerate men don't give a flying fuck what happens to women they do not find attractive.
/r/PurplePillDebate16/11/23 03:19 PM
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But if they are attracted to bad men, why would men not mention that? Because that isn't a real problem and everyone knows that. Men who aren't successful with women aren't sincerely concerned with their happiness and safety, men who aren't successful with women focus on women they find attractive, while simultaneously expressing rage those women focus on men they find attractive. So what's the real problem?
/r/PurplePillDebate16/11/23 03:17 PM
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Good men also want the head cheerleader, then race to the internet to pen screeds against the quarterback.
/r/PurplePillDebate16/11/23 02:48 PM
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Nope. She's pointing out how men here obsessively focus on the women they find attractive, while simultaneously expressing impotent rage those women are interested in men they find attractive. Will PPD men ever admit they feel women don't have the same right to feel attraction as men?
/r/PurplePillDebate16/11/23 02:46 PM
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Many women are attracted to men who they know are poor choices and bad news but they also don't want to own the social and moral repercussions of that. If men don't like particular women's choices, men shouldn't pay any attention to those women. Yet they do, because frustrated men are speaking specifically about women they find attractive. Any men want to explain why they castigate women for their interest in men they find appealing, while also obsessing over women they find appealing? Why pay a…
/r/PurplePillDebate16/11/23 02:43 PM
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What does acknowledging it change?
/r/PurplePillDebate16/11/23 03:36 AM
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It’s just something men here repeat. No one knows what it means, especially not the men who parrot it.
/r/PurplePillDebate16/11/23 01:49 AM
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It’s a phrase which no one has ever adequately explained and makes zero sense.
/r/PurplePillDebate16/11/23 12:35 AM
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Women like all kinds of things, but few women want to offer their bodies for the use of a man who can’t enjoy regular sex.
/r/PurplePillDebate16/11/23 12:35 AM
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And how has that impacted human evolution with regards to other animals in which females choose which male they want to mate with?
/r/PurplePillDebate16/11/23 12:30 AM
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Historically? Women didn’t have a choice.
/r/PurplePillDebate15/11/23 11:18 PM
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When people learn that women aren't worth it, then they set boundaries and hold women accountable Accountable for what?
/r/PurplePillDebate15/11/23 11:11 PM
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You think attractive women would be voluntarily having sex with hideous men if not for wealth? Laws forcing women to marry men because women couldn’t make their own money or get credit? Laws forcing women to have children they didn’t want? You think attractive women wanted to marry inbred Hapsburgs? You think 12 year old girls wanted to marry their older sister’s widower when his wife died in childbirth? The entire human race would be stronger, healthier, and infinitely more symmetrical and attr…
/r/PurplePillDebate15/11/23 11:10 PM
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BPD rarely affects women. BPD is 3:1 female patients to male.
/r/PurplePillDebate15/11/23 10:13 PM
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If a man isn’t getting sex anymore at sixty he’s seriously let himself go. In some regions nursing homes have a higher rate of STD cases than young people. This is one of TRP’s most glaring blind spots: men think sex is their singular realm and can’t understand why women won’t settle for men they aren’t sexually attracted to. Because typically developing people will have sex until they are dead or no longer physically able, and she wants the same chance to enjoy those encounters he does.
/r/PurplePillDebate15/11/23 08:54 PM
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Thing is, dudes still want to do those stuff with their partners and explore a few kinks with them, but I don't think they would want to pressure their partners to do things they are not confortable with, so it's a lose lose game. Not only do those men pressure women out of a sense of ownership and entitlement, they enjoy taking what is it freely given. I've dated lots of women like that, I just move on after a while if they don't bring sexual energy to the bedroom. Women are the same. They have…
/r/PurplePillDebate15/11/23 08:50 PM
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No, it’s “good luck with that insecurity and those demands”
/r/PurplePillDebate15/11/23 07:43 PM
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Red pill men obsess over fairness without any awareness of morality or decency. If her first boyfriend talked her into anal and it hurt her, the second guy wants to harm her the same way. If her first boyfriend forced her into facials, the second demands the same right to humiliate and disgust her. They want the same chance to humiliate and control women as more aggressive men while posing as “nice guys”.
/r/PurplePillDebate15/11/23 07:41 PM
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Not every action leads to reproduction, with humans or other animals. Several hundred species make use of cuckholding with is extraordinarily dangerous for both the smaller, sneaky males and the sneaky female animals which permit it or see it. Evolution isn’t progress and has no end goal, so lots of behaviors are risky or counterproductive. That’s across all species, and humans suffer the confounding factors of laws and religions which confound and interfere with natural order.
/r/PurplePillDebate15/11/23 07:38 PM
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Of course not, because sex isn’t charity work. I choose to help kids in federal custody with my volunteer hours, not give sexual attention to disaffected men. But I certainly don’t take advantage of disaffected adults, either, nor would I encourage that as the “passport bros” do. It’s abhorrent, antisocial behavior. Fortunately women eventually figure out when they’ve been manipulated and when they leave, they do so with a finality which informs predatory men they got what they deserved.
/r/PurplePillDebate15/11/23 07:32 PM
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Agreeable men could date the very same women criminals date. Why don’t they?
/r/PurplePillDebate15/11/23 07:26 PM
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Men will gladly date a younger, socio-economically lower woman. Women will not do this. You don't see women lining up to date broke or homeless men. Taking advantage of vulnerable women isn’t a virtue. It’s criminal.
/r/PurplePillDebate15/11/23 06:59 PM
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They just don’t socialize with women, period and regard them as a separate species. Some admit they are misanthropes and have no friends at all, but they still want access to sex and care.
/r/PurplePillDebate15/11/23 06:58 PM
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Women hate kindness and boring behavior from men. They only get turned on by guys who have an edge and might be kind of dangerous if you say the wrong thing to him. The ability to flirt and his interest in sex don’t make a man “dangerous”, those are typical behaviors. Faux chivalry and inhibitions from men are atypical unless confined to a religious sect.
/r/PurplePillDebate15/11/23 06:50 PM
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Nah, most women enjoy long and short term relationships with typical men. People grow up, develop different priorities, figure out different deal breakers and realize incompatibility. Part of life, no big deal. Most men and most women are doing just fine, learning as we grow.
/r/PurplePillDebate15/11/23 06:47 PM
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That’s cool. But listen. If I’m taking a class? I’m looking for remarkable creativity, tropes, and errors. If I’m watching a film for fun? I’m going to have fun. If I’m watching that film with a man who clearly changes mood and displays frustration and aggravation with an award winning director, award winning actors, award wringing writers, and popular while he’s in IT and has none of those experiences he’s so quick to criticize? I’m never, ever, never, ever ever going to have sex with a man who…
/r/PurplePillDebate15/11/23 06:45 PM
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And Reddit votes are so very important on a sub where men outnumber women 25 to 1 😉
/r/PurplePillDebate15/11/23 06:38 PM
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With that being said, for me sexual compatibility comes first, so if we weren't compatible in bed then I won't bother dating her long term to begin with, and that depends on a lot of things. I agree. I won’t date foot guys, exhibitionists, cucks, men who have paid for sex, inhibited men, religious or conservative men, or men who believe women in porn are actually aroused and having orgasms. Obviously trying something is not the same as doing something consistently. If she tried it once and didn'…
/r/PurplePillDebate15/11/23 06:33 PM
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Did you start this thread under another one of your soon-to-be-banned alts? Your posts make zero sense otherwise.
/r/PurplePillDebate15/11/23 06:28 PM
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Absolutely correct, and for women, single is far better than settling for a man with a one-sided sexual desire to do things she doesn’t enjoy. Far too many willing, enthusiastic men out there to suffer fetishes and insecurity.
/r/PurplePillDebate15/11/23 06:24 PM
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Women with a typical sex drive and typical sexual identity prefer men who are as interested in sex as they are. Some of those men turn out to be jerks. Some turn out to be terrific. Some of those men suffer a lack of morals or personality disorders which inform them to pretend to be awesome at first, then the mask comes off and women realize they've made a big mistake. But inhibited, reserved, conservative, uptight, religious, pious, chivalrous (did I cover all the words which offend the least a…
/r/PurplePillDebate15/11/23 06:14 PM
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She already decided if she was sexually attracted before he ever pretended to be her friend.
/r/PurplePillDebate15/11/23 06:09 PM
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Sure, if he's clever and appealing. I hate simpering and phony chivalry in any form.
/r/PurplePillDebate15/11/23 06:07 PM
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What exactly does "freak" entail? Because if it's mutually fun stuff, she'll do it enthusiastically. If it's only gratifying to him, why would she bother?
/r/PurplePillDebate15/11/23 06:06 PM
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What if the guy she loves is just terrible in bed, lacks intuition and care? Has fetishes or other weird issues? What if he is just awful with his tongue or fingers or has a hair trigger?
/r/PurplePillDebate15/11/23 06:04 PM
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What if she only enjoyed the other thing because the first guy did it right but the current guy is weird about it? Does she still have to do things which hurt or she hates? What if she only did the other thing under pressure, or out of curiosity and realized she hated it? Is she still supposed to do something she hates or that turns her off?
/r/PurplePillDebate15/11/23 06:03 PM
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And a considerable number of women who aren't keen on fetishes or porn addictions.
/r/PurplePillDebate15/11/23 06:01 PM
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So you ask it then. Let's see how long it stays up when women refuse to date men with certain proclivities.
/r/PurplePillDebate15/11/23 05:59 PM
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The way the OP is worded reads as though women are sexually attracted to all men until or unless he does something to screw that up. This is backwards. When she isn't attracted, the best she can offer is friendship or tolerance of his orbiting.
/r/PurplePillDebate15/11/23 05:48 PM
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He won't ask because he knows men don't want to share the answer. TRP men love to feel they are in a position to disqualify women over sexual acts, but women disqualify men for quite a few of those as well, and men suffer fetishes are a far higher rate than women ever could. The corresponding thread would be shut down immediately for "kink shaming".
/r/PurplePillDebate15/11/23 05:45 PM
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I suppose people can have their mood ruined if instead of entertainment they are given a terribly made bad-faith sermon that fails to captivate, entertain, and deliver cathartic experience. Wow. That's quite an ask of corporations who capitalize on the appeal to the widest possible audience. There's a huge boom mic emerging within the shot in "Knockin' on Heaven's Door" (1997), and the film tests and stretches the audience's suspension of disbelief every minute. I still couldn't read the end cre…
/r/PurplePillDebate15/11/23 05:34 PM
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I'm trying to phrase this in a way which won't alienate consumers of red pill influencers, but men who desire attention, men who demand an audience and are willing to say and do outrageous things in order to arouse engagement, are precisely the men who desire and attract women of similar character. And their characters are equally awful. Attention seeking, mercurial, combative, prone to belief in conspiracies and disinterested in facts. The experience red pill social media influencers have is wi…
/r/PurplePillDebate15/11/23 05:09 PM
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Not going to ask women the same question?
/r/PurplePillDebate15/11/23 04:57 PM
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Men who find resonance with Red Pill teachings might unknowingly have had significant interactions with women displaying untreated BPD traits. *Align with men who have zero female friends and whose only experience with women comes from social media and attention seeking, overdramatic red pill male social media influencers who duet attention seeking, over dramatic women.
/r/PurplePillDebate15/11/23 04:40 PM
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"Creepy uncle" "works" as a trope because an average audience member is pre-trained to think "men bad" and loves their biases massaged. What??? No. The creepy uncle trope works because most pedophiles pass as reliable, trustworthy people. Clergy. Scout leaders. Teachers. Coaches. Step fathers. Uncles.
/r/PurplePillDebate15/11/23 04:38 PM
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I feel like if I was a woman invited to a cinema date, this would still not entirely kill my interest. Only when combined with mind-virus rampaging cinema industry for the last decade and causing filmmakers to forget how colors work. The only thing that doesn't feel like attack on the senses when I type "New Netflix Original" in image search - is One Piece. The last film I took a girl on cinema date to was Iron Man 2, and it was a mistake. I've taken film classes, too, as part of one of my major…
/r/PurplePillDebate15/11/23 04:36 PM
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RedPill podcast bros are the absolute equivalent to female social media influencers. It's wild to me that men refuse to acknowledge their tendency to follow.
/r/PurplePillDebate15/11/23 04:20 PM
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The motivations for doing it might genuinely be to promote ideologies, improve mens' lives, share information, etc. No one is doing this for free. Social media influencers make money with clicks, likes, interactions, and shares, and polarizing, controversial content is designed to make money via engagement, not to actually "help" anyone. Enraging disenfranchised men is the whole point, this is how they make their money and achieve their peculiar level of notoriety.
/r/PurplePillDebate15/11/23 03:09 PM
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Sorry girl but if you ever stick your dick in a mature prostitute Prostitutes are not turned on and are lubed up. They just want it over with, they know it isn't going to be fun or exciting for them, so they don't bother to feel arousal. They are just tying not to reveal their disgust while pretending to enjoy it.
/r/PurplePillDebate15/11/23 02:32 PM
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Typically women enjoy sex, seek sex, and masturbate. That doesn't mean that deviation from typical is abnormal, but it does mean those women would be happier with men who have matching interests in sex.
/r/PurplePillDebate15/11/23 02:20 PM
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There is a whole discussion to be had about the Madonna/whore complex.* The emotional and social conflicting ideas men have about women keep them spinning in circles. The want women to approach them, but they don't trust women who approach them and assume those women are desperate or promiscuous. They want to take charge and approach women with their masculine frame...but they want those women who are not interested to treat them like children and pretend to be flattered while making an excuse w…
/r/PurplePillDebate15/11/23 02:13 PM
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Unused muscles are soft, like gamer bodies. Muscles which get used often are toned and fit.
/r/PurplePillDebate15/11/23 11:45 AM
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You guys are funny. In every one of these discussions half the men stamp their feet and proclaim women ought to be making the first move right now. And the other half of men say “whoa whoa whoa, if she approaches first, she’s obviously a desperate whore”.
/r/PurplePillDebate15/11/23 02:48 AM
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This you, chief? “Just because men don't want to be a dancing monkey for women doesn't make them weak, it makes them smart. Either way, you don't get to decide how men should date or pick their partners.” Maybe men shouldn’t decide how women pick their partners.
/r/PurplePillDebate15/11/23 01:53 AM
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Because he brings months to years of toxicity and misogyny with him. How is he going to erase the programming?
/r/PurplePillDebate15/11/23 01:32 AM
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I paraphrased the reason most PPD women give for not approaching. Because they don’t want to risk being used for sex. I don’t give a flying fuck if men want sex or a Hallmark romance if I’m not attracted. Gettin’ real sick of all the virtue signaling by TRP men who claim “but men don’t just want sex, some of us want relationships, too. It doesn’t matter what he wants if she isn’t interested
/r/PurplePillDebate15/11/23 01:28 AM
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There isn’t anything wrong with sex or wanting sex, no idea why this is your sticking point.
/r/PurplePillDebate15/11/23 12:31 AM
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I’m basing it on what men say here, so yeah, it’s a generalization backed up by one hundred instances of men confessing they will fuck anything or date any one of one hundred women who says yes.
/r/PurplePillDebate15/11/23 12:12 AM
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Right, but have you seen the reasons conservative women here give for not approaching? “Men are always reminding women that they will fuck almost any willing woman. So if women approach, they are setting themselves up to be used for sex”. That’s a legit argument. I have no problem flirting and arranging activities, but I don’t date men who will fuck any willing woman. I’m not concerned about being used for sex, I only have sex when I’m comfortable with a boyfriend. But I do agree that most women…
/r/PurplePillDebate14/11/23 11:28 PM
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The “blue pill” doesn’t have an about. It’s simply a response to hateful and toxic red pill rhetoric, not a prescription for behavior.
/r/PurplePillDebate14/11/23 11:27 PM
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Definitely will reference this thread the next time men plead with women to do the approaching.
/r/PurplePillDebate14/11/23 11:23 PM
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u/Manbehindthemask2468Red Pill Man You’re responsible for your own orgasm just like mine ❤️ No one is stopping you from getting yours alone. Men here make it real easy for women to feel confident about the decision to never give Nice Guys or terpers a chance.
/r/PurplePillDebate14/11/23 09:12 PM
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Many men don’t care about women’s enjoyment, they just want access to women. TRP men seem especially disinterested in a mutually gratifying sexual experience.
/r/PurplePillDebate14/11/23 08:56 PM
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It’s men’s fault they have hair triggers and a porn education.
/r/PurplePillDebate14/11/23 08:07 PM
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You mean like nearly all women do? Still want to claim women are drowning in sex when most of it will not be gratifying for women?
/r/PurplePillDebate14/11/23 08:06 PM
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Nothing stopping men from seeking sex from partners who enjoy it while they merely serve as a receptacle.
/r/PurplePillDebate14/11/23 07:29 PM
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Did you quote the right person? Sex in which one person gets an orgasm while the other does not is not as fun or desirable as sec in which both partners achieve gratification. Is that something men don’t understand? Or something men choose to ignore?
/r/PurplePillDebate14/11/23 07:28 PM
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I didn’t refer to myself at all. You decided to take an insulting shot.
/r/PurplePillDebate14/11/23 07:19 PM
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Every woman in my sphere except one enjoys sex. That’s typical for women. But women don’t enjoy sex at the same rate as men. That’s something you might discover someday.
/r/PurplePillDebate14/11/23 07:13 PM
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How would anyone know if a lover is going to be selfish or suffer a hair trigger or hang-ups before sex happens?
/r/PurplePillDebate14/11/23 05:59 PM
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Your deleted post history is notable, since I've explained Stats 101 to you one hundred times. such as incel terrorism. Oh, you want to do this again? Okay. Women don't experience stranger violence at the same rate as men because women take precautions when outside their home and women are also stuck inside the home far more often than men. Women abuse substances and participate in gang activity and violence far less often than men. What disenfranchised men want is to convince women they are saf…
/r/PurplePillDebate14/11/23 05:31 PM
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I think we both have it hard, but in ways neither can ever truly understand. No. If sex isn't gratifying, it's nothing more than another person using your body for one-sided gratification while you are left frustrated and disgusted. Men are willing to experience the same thing if it would in some way trigger their empathy. Go out and find a person who is unpleasant and selfish and allow them to have sex with you, but make sure you don't enjoy it or reach orgasm.
/r/PurplePillDebate14/11/23 05:16 PM
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u/Amiskon, do you understand why most car accidents happen within five miles of the home? It's because that's where drivers are most often. The factor is proximity. Domestic violence against women is more common from domestic partners or family because that's where women are more often. Domestic partners share all the stressors of life like child care, financial problems, elder care, typical domestic disagreements, substance abuse, and all the general stressors which arise when a couple meshes t…
/r/PurplePillDebate14/11/23 04:14 PM
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Some men don't possess an overwhelming desire for sex, but they do possess the capacity to give love and receive love. Degrading those men in this sub is kind of appalling. Sexuality is a spectrum. Not every man or woman requires frequent sex to feel fulfilled and affectionate.
/r/PurplePillDebate14/11/23 03:35 PM
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Honey, no. Men feel that a woman's physical appearance is sufficient reason to approach, pursue, and marry her. By now you must know that women prefer men they are physically attracted to, but who also share their values and experiences. Women also care who men are, not just what they look like. Many men don't even regard women as fully realized people with their own agendas and goals, but as a means to their end. It's time PPD and TRP men recognize the difference between male and female attract…
/r/PurplePillDebate14/11/23 03:08 PM
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Think what your opponent can do to you Men who see women as opponents will be cheated on and abandoned for men who see women as partners and allies.
/r/PurplePillDebate13/11/23 10:53 PM
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If she isn’t flirting, if she’s talking about other men or women, if she isn’t trying to make a romantic or sexual move, she’s your friend. But your posts are sincere and open and I appreciate that. I can’t help but note that you seem to be following the red pill prescription which blames a man for failing to “create attraction”. This is how corrosive and toxic TRP is, because men can’t “create” attraction. It’s either there or it isn’t. And sometimes it disappears as soon as a major incompatibi…
/r/PurplePillDebate13/11/23 10:48 PM
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Why don’t men simply pursue women who are equally romantically and sexually interested instead of clocking a woman who sees him as an brother and pretending to be her friend while trying to manipulate her into a romantic entanglement?
/r/PurplePillDebate13/11/23 10:38 PM
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Are those feelings “involuntary and uncontrolled” when she’s married? Dating your brother or your best friend? Which of these is incest? Which of these is pedophilia?
/r/PurplePillDebate13/11/23 10:21 PM
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Wtf she isn’t doing anything. She’s being a friend. You know the terms she agreed to. He’s the person who attempted to take advantage of her friendship and push her towards a romantic or sexual relationship she never wanted anyway. This is all on him. Men need to take responsibility for relationshipzoning and fuckzoning their female friends.
/r/PurplePillDebate13/11/23 10:20 PM
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A guy falls for a woman and she friend zoned him. She didn’t do anything to him. I don’t see any winning here from those options. Why should he “win” anything? He can simply recognize his one-sided feelings and push them aside and enjoy a mutually beneficial friendship and/or focus his romantic and sexual energy on someone who is actually interested.
/r/PurplePillDebate13/11/23 10:04 PM
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…he could recognize that love requires the consideration of her feelings at least as important as his own? If he doesn’t care if she loves him or who she loves, why should she care who he “loves”?
/r/PurplePillDebate13/11/23 09:37 PM
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Sure they can win, when they actually care half as much about her feelings as their own.
/r/PurplePillDebate13/11/23 09:13 PM
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Sex lasts but a moment Sure, if it’s done with someone you don’t respect or love or done while under the influence. With someone you love? It’s something amazing you share with no one else.
/r/PurplePillDebate13/11/23 09:12 PM
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Edited, left out apostrophes. Oh really. Are those feelings “involuntary and uncontrolled” when she’s married? Dating your brother’s wife or your best friend’s girlfriend ? When she’s your cousin or step sibling? So men can’t control themselves or their feelings and all? Does that mean it isn’t safe for your friends and relatives to bring their attention active wives and girlfriends or minors around men who “can’t control their involuntary feelings”?
/r/PurplePillDebate13/11/23 09:10 PM
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fact they have taken the lead in raping kids in schools. What in the world?? Who told you this? Male perpetrators in schools make up 90%
/r/PurplePillDebate13/11/23 09:06 PM
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Men can't walk away when they realize their desires are one-sided?
/r/PurplePillDebate13/11/23 06:48 PM
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Neither of your links work.
/r/PurplePillDebate13/11/23 06:32 PM
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No.
/r/PurplePillDebate13/11/23 06:24 PM
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It damages your psyche both men and women the more you have sex. For women it is more damaging Honey, no. Is your country averse to studying science? Because this wild idea comes from a shitty Christian thinktank, which is a lobbyist. Humans don't "pair bond". While it may be true that men and women who pursue and enjoy a lot of casual sex have trouble with monogamy, that doesn't mean that their lack of scruples somehow broke or poisoned their mind and ability to pair bond.
/r/PurplePillDebate13/11/23 06:20 PM
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Those people didn't find love, they look like they never even looked for love in the first place. Are you familiar with how men lay it on thick when they want sex? Men pretend to be all kind of good fathers, competent family members, and earnestly dedicated to the conventional family. Until they realize the access to sex might temporarily wane due to the responsibilities of pregnancy, birth, post partum, infant and toddler care. Until they realize their mommy allowed the weaponized incompetence …
/r/PurplePillDebate13/11/23 06:04 PM
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if you continue to say about her sexual services, I will stop talking bcz it seems here you are degrading her. We are obviously from differing cultures, but if men believe that sex degrades a woman, how can they possibly claim they love and respect a woman whose body they have sex with?
/r/PurplePillDebate13/11/23 05:51 PM
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Okay, maybe I misunderstood you, apologies. But there is a space between "keeping up the spark" and "turning her into his mother". If he thinks nothing of chucking his shit-stained underwear in the laundry then pouting over a blow job, if he thinks nothing of punching walls because he was asked to pause his game and take care of the infant so mom could shower, if he thinks nothing of tossing his half-eaten plate into the sink, leaving dishes all over the house, ignoring the hungry dog which need…
/r/PurplePillDebate13/11/23 05:42 PM
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Moreover he has more skills than her. That's what I just said. He didn't love or respect her. He wanted her. That's what men do. They want to take a woman and lock her down quickly before another man can get her and "defile" her. They don't care about her talent, her goals, her dreams, her skills or experience. Boys watch a female student from across a room and build entire worlds and futures based on how badly they want to possess her, before they even talk to her. There is another, in this cas…
/r/PurplePillDebate13/11/23 05:38 PM
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they see the spark as something necessary and vital in the relationship and men have the responsibility to keep it up. That's wildly incorrect. Men can't "keep it up" and TRP men are incorrectly confident that attraction can be created and negotiated.
/r/PurplePillDebate13/11/23 05:18 PM
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Huh? Red pill doesn't even consider personality and shared values and experiences. RP reduces everything to money and muscles/height.
/r/PurplePillDebate13/11/23 05:17 PM
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I have just as many stories as the opposite. "Attractive" means socially and emotionally intelligent as well as sharing common values and experiences to women. Dick size (bra size) and height (hip to waist ratio) aren't nearly as important to women as to men, since who those men actually are contributes to attraction or the lack thereof. Get in touch with your boy. Bet you he would still have married her if she kicks puppies, because men tend to idealize women based on their physical attraction …
/r/PurplePillDebate13/11/23 05:13 PM
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This is the most frustrating incongruity I see on PPD, and it seems to emanate exclusively from men on the spectrum, who don't seem to care or even recognize humanity. If she's a teenager or woman they'd jerk off to, she's a ten. If she's plain or only moderately attractive she's worthless, even if she's a terrific person who is well-respected and likable with a large crowd of friends.
/r/PurplePillDebate13/11/23 05:00 PM
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That's how I was raised. I was forced to go to prom with boys I had no interest in "just because they'd never had photos or the experience otherwise" from ages 13 to 17. I don't know how many people here saw Napoleon Dynamite (I think it came out when I was two or three), but a student was coerced into going out with an incredibly strange and awkwardly aggressive classmate she was disinterested in. That's the role I was placed in. I doubt my parents or my teachers felt the boys I went for photos…
/r/PurplePillDebate13/11/23 04:58 PM
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I don't think it matters, honestly. "Nah" is sufficient. Men don't beleive women anyway when women refer to chemistry, and men refuse to factor in personality, compatibility, goals and experience when they calculate "attractiveness". Men only count external, physical characteristics. So it's not like men are going to believe women anyway when a woman says "Yeah, he was too aggressive/unsmiling/intense/religious/areligous/political/apolitical/humorless/insensitive...etc. Women might as well compl…
/r/PurplePillDebate13/11/23 04:53 PM
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If she isn't interested, he isn't "attractive".
/r/PurplePillDebate13/11/23 04:49 PM
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I think in most cases the ick is just women trying to justify not being attracted to someone. No one has to "justify" a lack of attraction.
/r/PurplePillDebate13/11/23 04:39 PM
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More importantly, it is the most emotionally upsetting and damaging of any other issue, as this usually happens after a man is invested and has developed some degree of emotional connection/attachment. Men have a well documented habit of "getting invested" long before a woman has even considered him as a partner. The entire creation and perpetuation of the phrase the friendzone is the result of a fiction created from whole cloth; the unfounded claim that a woman has somehow made a young man feel…
/r/PurplePillDebate13/11/23 04:38 PM
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Wouldn't this be something you share with your partner if that was the motivation? both so that they know where it is in case you cant get to it and so that they can make one of their own? Do you actually believe that men admit a priori they are eventually going to demand a paternity test before they have sex with a woman?
/r/PurplePillDebate13/11/23 04:19 PM
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"...it has been used in publications by Dutch psychologist Frits Bernard in 1950,[8] and reprinted in 1960 in the gay support magazine Vriendschap under the pseudonym Victor Servatius,[9] crediting the origin of the term to Magnus Hirschfeld with no exact date given.[10] The word was in fact first published in French (éphébophilie), in Georges Saint-Paul's 1896 book, Tares et Poisons: Perversion et Perversité Sexuelles.[11] The term was described by Frenchman Félix Buffière in 1980,[12] and Paki…
/r/PurplePillDebate13/11/23 04:03 PM
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Words have meanings ya know,we know what machismo is. So does every human on the planet with access to the OED. :aggressive male behaviour that emphasizes the importance of being strong rather than being intelligent and sensitive
/r/PurplePillDebate13/11/23 03:48 PM
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Considering more than half the women in the west are religious and marry a man who also subscribes to their moral compass, the conclusions point to a different problem than merely “choosing badly”. Perhaps men aren’t quite so moral and decent as they claim in order to get sex.
/r/PurplePillDebate13/11/23 03:30 PM
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The number of middle aged, balding, paunchy, creaky married men who believe that a 20-27 year old woman might actually find them sexually appealing is far too high for OP to be true. Men's testosterone levels lend them an exorbitant amount of swagger and sexual confidence undeserved. Men's conviction they can be "good lovers" to women who aren't attracted is also unmatched by women. Also, hundreds of studies demonstrate that men overestimate their physical attractiveness, but I have a feeling PP…
/r/PurplePillDebate13/11/23 03:23 PM
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"We had great chemistry and she ghosted me"
/r/PurplePillDebate13/11/23 03:21 PM
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If women aren't physically attracted, they haven't underrated those men.
/r/PurplePillDebate13/11/23 03:20 PM
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I also think a lot of these women rather rate their own self steem, not their looks, Good try, not not quite. Women rate themselves on the same scale they rate men: with a combo of physical appearance and competence, personality, and potential. Women don't marry a man because he's physically, objectively model pretty but completely useless and immoral. But a woman will marry a man who is less than a 9 or 10 if he's competent, has a great personality, and has potential to be a good companion or f…
/r/PurplePillDebate13/11/23 03:18 PM
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Women largely get their emotional needs and wants catered to. “Men can’t even grab asses at work anymore thanks to MeToo” “Men don’t care if the pregnancy could kill a child, she shouldn’t have spread her legs for a pedophile” “What’s wrong with catcalling? It’s a compliment” “Women should be receptive to cold approach because not everyone has a social life, even if strange men make women uncomfortable or afraid” “Women have no expectation of safety or privacy in public, men are horny and want t…
/r/PurplePillDebate12/11/23 06:59 PM
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Ben Shapiro in the sheets *closet
/r/PurplePillDebate12/11/23 03:57 PM
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Crimes of passion, honor killings, punching holes in walls, road rage, smashing televisions when a team loses, smashing monitors and gaming systems say otherwise
/r/PurplePillDebate12/11/23 02:28 PM
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Each should consider the quality of life of their children as more important than their own selfish desires.
/r/PurplePillDebate12/11/23 04:09 AM
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Shoulda had them at an appropriate age.
/r/PurplePillDebate12/11/23 03:39 AM
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The average middle aged man will never compare to Patrick Stewart.
/r/PurplePillDebate12/11/23 03:38 AM
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Ha ha do you live in Harlan Kentucky?
/r/PurplePillDebate12/11/23 12:09 AM
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Men have all these fictional superheroes they tattoo all over their bodies and cling to as the archetype of masculinity and power. Good God the number of Infinity Gauntlet tattoos on grown-ass men... Women have Rosie the Riveter, a real human being who existed and persisted and proved her worth as an employee. We stand on the shoulders blah blah you know the rest. Florence Nightingale and thousands of nurses who pinched spurting arteries shut and spoke in soothing tones. Duckworth, who continues…
/r/PurplePillDebate11/11/23 09:56 PM
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a bitch, a slut, or a lesbian. But never a human being, a caricature. JFC. I'm glad you are out, but I'm also grateful you served because pioneers like you are the reason women like me can get a job in a male dominated field.
/r/PurplePillDebate11/11/23 09:38 PM
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Hopefully Cameron is ok with getting oral herpes. Ha ha I just realized who you are. Banned what… seven or eight times by now? Isn’t this line the same thing which got you banned last time?
/r/PurplePillDebate11/11/23 09:27 PM
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Women love security, bartenders who throw men out, bouncers, and White Knights. Competence and bravery are incredibly appealing. BRB, I’m going back to Trader Joe’s so I can blow Cameron.
/r/PurplePillDebate11/11/23 09:19 PM
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particularly in the military Whoa… I guarantee you were (are?) up against several generations of traditional men and faced serious discrimination. I’m mostly just mildly peeved by men’s silly attitudes about women. I am definitely not equipped to handle military level discrimination. I hold my ground at work and I’m a spokesperson who represents women in my field, but I’d crumple under military conditions. Todays the day to thank you for your service, right?
/r/PurplePillDebate11/11/23 09:18 PM
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White Knights get laid.
/r/PurplePillDebate11/11/23 09:15 PM
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You are correct. Men are expected to be competent and independent, and women are patted on the head when they display competence and independence. It's also true that men really don't care if a woman lives at home or owns her home, but women do care about that. There are some distinct differences in the expectations of men and women which are biased and unfair. Women suffer the counterpart (no point in listing them) of societies expectations, but it doesn't effect her dating options much.
/r/PurplePillDebate11/11/23 09:10 PM
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That's unfortunate and I'm glad I don't hear it often. Do you think they are projecting? Do those women assume that skinny women are judging them?
/r/PurplePillDebate11/11/23 09:08 PM
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I don't believe they think about it at all, much less recognize it as a character flaw. They simply can't conceive of a woman with her own responsibilities and agendas. I have a hobby car and belong to a women's rally club, but when I take the car out alone, men always ask if it's my husband's or boyfriend's. I work in a male dominated field, and clients tease me about choosing the job to be around rugged men. They don't seem to understand it's my wheelhouse. Women can't possibly have a life out…
/r/PurplePillDebate11/11/23 09:06 PM
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Yep. Half the men in my group of friends are in trades, and most make more than the friends with Master's and they are competent and creative as well. The tile guy was featured in a national home/decor magazine in July and also makes TikTok money by showing his work. The HVAC guy really only works six months per year, during the heat of summer and the coldest part of winter. The rest of the time he fucks off to various coasts to dive and deep sea fish. The electrician's job was just posted as he…
/r/PurplePillDebate11/11/23 09:01 PM
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He's a total piece of shit who said that out of earshot of others just before he retreated to the safety of his car. The kid pushing the carts in is swole and went after him, then walked back to me to apologize for that perv's behavior.
/r/PurplePillDebate11/11/23 08:53 PM
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Men aren’t the only ones with a life. A lot of them don't believe this. They seem to think that women work for play money, to waste on frivolous things like makeup and manicures. They seem to think that all women want is to serve as an accessory to men's lives. A means to their end.
/r/PurplePillDebate11/11/23 08:52 PM
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Okay, well here I am trying to actually take women on dates and ideally form a relationship with them, but it's a joint effort and it sucks when the other person ghosts me after we did initially click well. I don't date online or date strangers, but I have a lot of female friends and all have reported men believing they had chemistry when the women felt nothing. There was a recent thread about this on a woman's sub, it's apparently a common and frustrating phenomenon. I guess so, but I'm really …
/r/PurplePillDebate11/11/23 08:50 PM
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Most men's attention is awkward to creepy, and occasionally threatening. The only good attention from men comes specifically from the man she is interested in. That's the weird thing about men's tendency to project. If a man believes that women enjoy all men's attention, that means he also believes that his attention in particular is desirable. I had an unpleasant encounter with an older man this morning who turned all the way around in line to stare me up and down. Kept trying to make small tal…
/r/PurplePillDebate11/11/23 08:44 PM
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I've been that "skinny bitch" my entire life, and yes, a few overweight women are critical of thin or fit women because they assume those thin and fit women are secretly judging them. It comes from insecurity about one's social place, but thankfully isn't common. I've heard other women talk more shit about other women than other men do. You are hearing it because they are seeking an alliance, and ally. Someone to reassure them that fit and thin women aren't the only desirable women.
/r/PurplePillDebate11/11/23 08:39 PM
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Young "bums" offer reliable dick, relatable experiences and conversation, a sense of fun, strong backs, working knees and hips, good health, a ton of energy, and absolutely zero Golden Age fallacy lectures.
/r/PurplePillDebate11/11/23 08:34 PM
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I think it’s just because it’s kinda pathetic and silly and brings to mind bad combovers, midlife crisis sports cars and sugar daddies in denial. Can't imagine any woman being jealous over these men. The old man who clumsily tries to flirt with the teenaged server is a liability and a public embarrassment.
/r/PurplePillDebate11/11/23 08:32 PM
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Two things. Mostly concerned for the women because I've been that younger woman and I'm still that younger woman who is apparently attractive to old men. "You're mature for your age" "You're not like the other girls" "I can talk to you about things I can't tell my wife" "I could get in big trouble if anyone found out how I feel about you." And also because "Old man, get out of my face I'm not remotely interested in your attention or how dull and monotonous your sex life is with your wife and I d…
/r/PurplePillDebate11/11/23 08:31 PM
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It's only shallow if one is asexual. If a person has a reasonable exception of mutually gratifying sex, damn right physical attraction matters.
/r/PurplePillDebate11/11/23 08:28 PM
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Sure. Maybe because you’re all lying because you can’t admit you like male attention. The attention of most men is unwanted and problematic.
/r/PurplePillDebate11/11/23 08:26 PM
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I have a job, a home to maintain, a car to maintain So do women.
/r/PurplePillDebate11/11/23 08:25 PM
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Men here admit they only work out for female validation. Meanwhile there is a waitlist at my women's only gym because women work out for their mental and physical health and occasionally vanity.
/r/PurplePillDebate11/11/23 08:23 PM
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I went out for a girl dinner last night in a tight red dress and heels. I didn't want any man's attention and ignored every comment. It's a dress I also wear on dates, and his attention is all that matters. Every other man can keep his unwanted opinion to himself. 3.5 million people participate in r/makeupaddiction, a sub strictly modded against objectification and sexual comments. Men are routinely banned from that sub, in which women show other women their makeup looks, many of which are creat…
/r/PurplePillDebate11/11/23 08:21 PM
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The average woman is appraised and rated on a daily basis, sometimes hourly basis by nearly every straight man in her vicinity. She doesn't care if 99.9% of those men find her attractive. "Men hate septum piercings" Good, that means it's working because she doesn't want your attention anyway "Men hate false eyelashes/lip injections/heavy makeup/long fake nails" No one asked men for their unwanted, irrelevant opinion "No obese woman has any business referring to herself as a ten" She isn't remote…
/r/PurplePillDebate11/11/23 08:17 PM
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If English is a second language, I apologize, but I believe you don't understand the meaning of the word objectification. "the act or an instance of treating a person as an object or thing" Finding someone physically attractive isn't objectification, as the usual process involves getting to know that person as well.
/r/PurplePillDebate11/11/23 08:12 PM
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Yes, then they lash out with venom at the very thing they want the most. It's like kicking a stray dog then expecting it to follow you home and do tricks.
/r/PurplePillDebate11/11/23 08:08 PM
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Oh right. I guess I just imagined that fat woman being put on the cover of the fucking sports illustrated swimsuit issue What the fuck. Do men believe that Sports Illustrated only belongs to men and caters to men? That's insane. Female athletes are featured in every single issue. Women watch sports and enjoy reading about athletes and competition.
/r/PurplePillDebate11/11/23 08:06 PM
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Hi, it's me. The spokeswoman for all the other women. We have no idea where men got the idea they are supposed to find obese women "hot". It would be super cool if men would treat women like human beings, yes, even the women men don't want to fuck. But no one, not even Lizzo or Ashley Graham, gives a flying fuck if men find them sexually attractive. Women, collectively, would appreciate it if men would stop perpetuating this lie.
/r/PurplePillDebate11/11/23 08:04 PM
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But they don't want platonic female friendship and support, do they. Are they actually lonely? Or is it the other thing?
/r/PurplePillDebate11/11/23 08:02 PM
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Even if the woman saying that lost her virginity at 16, when neither of the people involved had a job, or money, or a place of their own to live, or even a cheap crappy car, and certainly weren't emotionally mature in any way, shape, or form. I was fifteen with a boyfriend of a year. The boyfriend who spent hours and hours with me on the phone telling me all his hopes and dreams, all his struggles and doubts. The boyfriend I hiked half of a mountain range with at every opportunity. The boyfriend…
/r/PurplePillDebate11/11/23 08:00 PM
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Physical attraction and who he is matter equally.
/r/PurplePillDebate11/11/23 07:57 PM
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from place of frustration and anger because she doesn’t do anything else romantic Holy shit. Taking care of his home, buying and cooking the groceries, making sure he has his favorite foods, forgoing rights to the television so he can bogart the remote, and washing his shit-stained underwear while still mustering the attraction to blow him is the epitome of romance. Taking care of a man she loves is romance, but he takes it for granted because he places all women in the mommy role.
/r/PurplePillDebate11/11/23 07:56 PM
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"I was a teenaged boy once" "Because I'm a man and I know how boys think" "I will greet him with a shotgun when he shows up to take him to prom because I know what he wants you to do tonight"
/r/PurplePillDebate11/11/23 07:53 PM
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"Men want to hang out with their bros, men don't need or want female friends. Females are boring and have stupid hobbies anyway. If women didn't provide sex and take care of a man's children, men would never talk to women"
/r/PurplePillDebate11/11/23 07:52 PM
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You think women’s attraction criteria would change due to “lack of fear”? Yeppers. What happens when women do seek and enjoy sex? They are called whore, slut, ignorant comments about a stretched out pussy and even more ignorant comments about women "losing their ability to pair bond". Why would a woman risk having sex with a meek nerd who is bound to immediately mistrust her and call her names, then go online and talk about what a slutty whore she is? "I have the choice of basically a whore..."
/r/PurplePillDebate11/11/23 07:49 PM
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The discussion centers around men wanting something from women who are not interested in giving it. It doesn't matter if he wants a Hallmark romance or sex with a near-stranger if she isn't mutually interested. Women aren't surprised that men desire sex. Women aren't surprised that men desire relationships. What annoys women is men's utter lack of concern in her level of interest or disinterest. It's easier to say "his desire to wet his dick is not more important than whatever I am doing" than t…
/r/PurplePillDebate11/11/23 07:43 PM
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I agree the word creepy is a weapon, and I don't use that word IRL. I'm using it now to describe a woman's perception of a man who makes romantic or sexual overtures in the complete absence of context or mutual interest.
/r/PurplePillDebate11/11/23 07:38 PM
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Getting rejected purely for how you look is a perfect example of men being objectified by women. Furthermore, it’s also disrespectful. If there is no physical attraction, no sexual attraction, there is no date. No relationship. No interest.
/r/PurplePillDebate11/11/23 06:45 PM
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I do.
/r/PurplePillDebate11/11/23 06:42 PM
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Yes, some attractive men who assume their attention is appropriate or wanted are creepy. Some unattractive men whose attention is inappropriate are creepy. Unwanted romantic or sexual attention from anyone = creepy.
/r/PurplePillDebate11/11/23 04:05 PM
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Creepy is the failure to understand and react to social cues. Often that does mean an ugly guy approached an attractive woman, but attractive men can also be creepy when they don’t get social cues.
/r/PurplePillDebate11/11/23 02:27 PM
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Men are generic human beings regarded with respect rather than objectification. What recognition do men expect?
/r/PurplePillDebate11/11/23 05:53 AM
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Anti-intellectualism isn’t my thing. Out.
/r/PurplePillDebate11/11/23 01:53 AM
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I don’t have “framework” since I’m a Biologist and not a sociologist or psychologist. A widely accepted definition is “ Prosocial behavior is voluntary behavior intended to help or benefit another individual while antisocial behavior has been defined as behavior intended to harm or disadvantage another individual”
/r/PurplePillDebate11/11/23 01:27 AM
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I’m a biologist, not a fan of soft sciences. But prosocial/antisocial/asocial behaviors are valid, simple descriptors of human behavior which have immediate and long term effects on their lives and the lives of others.
/r/PurplePillDebate11/11/23 01:01 AM
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… that means she is also “hot” and has a dozen or more orbiters, too.
/r/PurplePillDebate10/11/23 09:23 PM
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Never. I don’t have any interest in a man who prefers another woman. If he isn’t enthusiastically into me, he’s a friend and I’m rooting for him to find his match.
/r/PurplePillDebate10/11/23 09:21 PM
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I don’t know why you feel that prosocial behavior compares to antisocial behavior.
/r/PurplePillDebate10/11/23 09:10 PM
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Can you explain why anyone would bother to take someone out, especially a coworker, who isn’t enthusiastic and proactive about keeping in touch? That seems crazypants to me.
/r/PurplePillDebate10/11/23 09:09 PM
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This year? Two.
/r/PurplePillDebate10/11/23 07:12 PM
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I'm in charge of interns at work, and I highly recommend men get an enthusiastic yes before acting on their desires. People lose their jobs over gambling on a maybe or pushing a woman who hasn't shown anything beyond embarrassed polite responses.
/r/PurplePillDebate10/11/23 06:37 PM
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Assuming that a man attempting to date a coworker will get ratioed and fired is also ridiculous, but I'm responding to the OP's concerns. If any person wants to ensure their attention is wanted and appropriate, an enthusiastic yes is the sole determinant.
/r/PurplePillDebate10/11/23 06:32 PM
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One, not everybody is going to give this "enthusiastic yes". Do they suffer from a spectrum disorder or cyclothymia? If no, don't go out with people who aren't enthusiastic about your company.
/r/PurplePillDebate10/11/23 06:16 PM
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Is that guy observing or craving the attention of a woman who is in a position to make her own choices? What about the women who are more at his level of social and physical appeal?
/r/PurplePillDebate10/11/23 06:13 PM
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Did you reply to the wrong post?
/r/PurplePillDebate10/11/23 06:09 PM
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The only time we hear about "100% enthusiastic" are people that get termed "desperate". No? Where in the world did that come from? If the female coworker isn't excited about chatting with and spending time with a male coworker, it's risky. Even agreeing with someone off OLD to a date doesn't mean they're 100% enthusiastic about it. Why in the world would anyone pursue a date with anyone who isn't enthusiastic? "If it isn't an enthusiastic yes, it's a no".
/r/PurplePillDebate10/11/23 04:57 PM
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Victim blaming. That isn't how it works, u/carbonironandzinc . Men do riskier things and are rarely bound to the home with family duties and childcare. Men are almost never pregnant, almost never nursing, almost never tasked with the bulk of child rearing and elder care. Women take precautions because women know they are weaker and more vulnerable to crime. Women are pregnant, nursing, stay at home mothers, dedicated to raising their children and more often tasked with home care and elder care. …
/r/PurplePillDebate10/11/23 04:55 PM
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The fear is from PUAs reaction to rejection. Women don’t fear being kidnapped or something, just aggression or violence after rejection. The overarching complaint is about the scattershot approach and the lack of interest in shared values and experiences. Objectification is only good for the people who get paid to be objectified. But even sex workers aren’t interested in dating men who select them based on appearance alone.
/r/PurplePillDebate10/11/23 04:26 AM
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Have any women anywhere complained about sex robots or whatever they are called? If a man is unable or disinclined to date, sex toys are a solid option.
/r/PurplePillDebate10/11/23 04:05 AM
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If someone at work isn’t 100% enthusiastic, yeah, it’s a bad idea for men and women. Women aren’t as interested in strangers as they are acquaintances they share common interests and ideas with. That is normal and healthy. Friends aren’t matchmakers. Friends are whose company you enjoy whilst you go out and do fun things. But social proof is a real phenomenon which facilitates talking to strangers. “Oh, you like this band/beer/food/festival/art? We do too, but what is your favorite…?”
/r/PurplePillDebate10/11/23 03:59 AM
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It's gotta be scary being weak and little. Why the extremes? I’m not weak, I’m not “little”. I’m thin but I’m relatively fit, as are most of my female friends, but nothing we do will ever make us stronger than an aggressive man. But that isn’t women’s main complaint about strangers. Women generally aren’t interested in men they share no common experiences and values with, which makes approaches by strangers a minor nuisance, not a terrorizing event.
/r/PurplePillDebate10/11/23 03:56 AM
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I've been called a incel on this sub and I have bodies. Italics mine. Well, fellas, if you want to ensure women are wary around men, this is the right way to go about it. Could have said “girlfriends”, sex, lovers, FWBs, pretty much anything other than totally dehumanizing past partners. Why choose this particular phrase?
/r/PurplePillDebate10/11/23 03:36 AM
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How is not being objectified by randos causing depression in men? As I understand it, the difference isn’t the climate, but the lack of social spheres. My siblings are 15-20 years older and they pushed me pretty hard to join. To play sports, to join clubs, to host parties and meet friends at the beach. People who aren’t interested in friends and socializing and people whose community is largely online can’t do this, so they seem to think that cold approaching strangers is the only way to meet wo…
/r/PurplePillDebate10/11/23 03:33 AM
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I guess I still don’t get it. If those women are rejecting men who don’t meet their standards, they aren’t desperate, right? Unrealistic for sure, but they appear to have options. But also, social media influencers and viral videos are generally shit, right?
/r/PurplePillDebate10/11/23 03:30 AM
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I just looked through it, and I’m not sure I understand the point. Aren’t those women rejecting men, therefore not looking for men?
/r/PurplePillDebate10/11/23 03:02 AM
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Okay. Then men play sports and exercise for female attention. No, it isn’t a hobby. Men only do things because they crave female validation. Right?
/r/PurplePillDebate09/11/23 09:12 PM
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There isn't a problem with understanding, there is a problem with lying. Red pillers claim blue pilled people "lied to them" about how to attract women, when blue pilled people spend their lives treating others as equals and blissfully unaware they are being blamed for someone else's lack of romantic and sexual success. And blue pillers claim that red pill men hate women, when the truth is most are vulnerable human beings taken advantage of by an insidious pyramid scheme orchestrated by male soc…
/r/PurplePillDebate09/11/23 06:47 PM
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I just posted that. I doubt women say it, or say it much. Most women have boyfriends/husbands/sons/brothers/fathers/mentors. Women know where the good men are.
/r/PurplePillDebate09/11/23 06:35 PM
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I've never seen this online or in person from any woman, but it is repeated frequently by TRP or MGTOW adherents. Who is saying this? What demographic, what age? Where?
/r/PurplePillDebate09/11/23 06:33 PM
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Perfect example of men projecting their feelings onto women. Women get attention all the time in public, at work, on social media. It’s cheap and worthless. The only attention which is relevant to her life comes from the man she loves.
/r/PurplePillDebate09/11/23 03:58 PM
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The new is more fun and likely at least pretending to be independent and competent while the relationship is young.
/r/PurplePillDebate09/11/23 03:49 PM
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Yep. A husband and father doesn’t want to be treated as a paycheck and a wife/mother doesn’t want to be treated as a servant.
/r/PurplePillDebate09/11/23 01:16 PM
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What you aren’t getting is that she isn’t going to have fantastic sex if he also neglects her or takes advantage. They won’t have fantastic sex if she’s treated like the hired help. But if he shares the mundane, everyday chores and childcare, she will definitely be more excited about sex and have more time and energy, too.
/r/PurplePillDebate09/11/23 01:15 PM
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Who said she didn’t?
/r/PurplePillDebate09/11/23 12:08 PM
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Women leave because a man is either inattentive or takes her for granted. She loses interest in sex with the selfish and disengaged man and finds everything with the new guy more appealing than time with someone who treats her like the hired help.
/r/PurplePillDebate09/11/23 11:56 AM
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This is a very good description of why it’s so off-putting. Women don’t want to date a man who roams the streets and stores begging women for attention, and no woman wants to be the only one of 99 who he settled for because she’s the only one who said yes.
/r/PurplePillDebate06/11/23 02:55 AM
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Agreed, and the men running the “numbers game” are at fault for causing women to walk around with RBF, to suspect every man who insists on an audience, to wear masks, and to generally behave in an unfriendly, cold manner towards strangers. A few women enjoy the attention, but even those few admit they don’t actually go out with randos who are desperate for attention. PUA ruined non-social venues for women. I miss small talk. I love strangers and smile all the time. But I’m guarded as hell and I …
/r/PurplePillDebate06/11/23 02:53 AM
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Did someone call me?
/r/PurplePillDebate06/11/23 02:47 AM
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It amazes me how many words it takes terpers to admit an utter lack of accountability.
/r/PurplePillDebate06/11/23 02:45 AM
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Shew I don’t want to relive it. I left out the moron who burned out my clutch (costly) and the chainsaw incident of last month because it scared hell out of and wasn’t amusing at all. But I do look askance whenever any man claims he “loves” one of my hobbies. I no longer believe men who claim to be experts in anything. They are not safe.
/r/PurplePillDebate06/11/23 02:40 AM
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My second hand embarrassment could never. There were two kids on campus who would whip out cards or magic tricks for no apparent reason and utterly out of context. You’d be walking across campus and suddenly Pete would be in your face cutting off your path with a flurry of playing cards or a scarf trick. I sat him down and tried to explain context. “Save that for parties, it’s really jarring anywhere else”. And he said “Whatever. Bitches love magic tricks”.
/r/PurplePillDebate05/11/23 10:20 PM
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"just be yourself." …as opposed to pretending to be someone else or humiliating yourself by faking another personality. Not even actors can win an Oscar every time. Just more reasons to not listen to women Red pilled men never listened to women, they hallucinated things women never said and swear they were promised beautiful women despite being unattractive. No woman ever promised her ugly son that women like ugly boys. Men added that out of wishful thinking and try to pin that lack of logic on …
/r/PurplePillDebate05/11/23 10:17 PM
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Maybe you're just slow, but it took me 30 seconds to observe that almost every single top rated post is about men in TwoXChromosomes. Umm hmm. And every post in Men’s Rights and AskTRP is written by men whining about women. Super easy to avoid those subs. Anyway I worry not, Muslims are gradually replacing non-Muslims in Europe because of low births rate among the latter, and I will be cheering for them. Great! And immigration will solve the “birth rate problem” conservatives made up when they r…
/r/PurplePillDebate05/11/23 08:35 PM
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It's logical to expect that people mean what they say, unless given a reason a reason to believe otherwise. It’s illogical to make a wild leap to “Women like ugly men”. so they'll just omit things that could make them look bad Women didn’t omit anything. Men added …women like ugly men for no valid or logic reason at all. If men need a hand book, it’s to unravel the nonsensical leaps they made when they added “Women like ugly men” to the noise inside their heads.
/r/PurplePillDebate05/11/23 08:33 PM
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a young guy who doesn't know any better will take that at face value. Tenth man who has made this claim so tell me, how logical and reasonable are men, really when no woman explicitly claims that women are attracted to ugly men? Which is it? Do men take women literally or don’t they?
/r/PurplePillDebate05/11/23 08:01 PM
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Men don’t live rent free in women’s heads, they follow them around stores and the gym. They refuse to take no for an answer. They won’t clean up after themselves. They won’t wear condoms. They don’t know their kids’ teacher’s or doctor’a names or how to teach their kid to become an adult. They weaponized incompetence. They throw their shit-stained underwear in the laundry then expect a blow job later. They consistently prioritize their own orgasms over hers. They put hands on women without permi…
/r/PurplePillDebate05/11/23 07:59 PM
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The answer for everyone except extreme introverts and misanthropes is to cultivate and maintain a social circle so you have people to go to fun places with. These are not the people you date, although it does happen occasionally. These are people you do activities with because strangers in social spaces are far more comfortable chatting when a man has friends, because the loners tend to cling and wear out their welcome. They look a little desperate and predatory, too, because they are there to h…
/r/PurplePillDebate05/11/23 07:52 PM
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Cold approaching. I'm not sure people realize just how much this doesn't work. It comes off as extremely desperate, It is basically saying to the woman you're approaching "I don't have my own social group or community so I have to approach a complete stranger". I’ve been saying this for months and men attack for this one. Wildly. I wonder if a man saying it will get the same vicious feedback.
/r/PurplePillDebate05/11/23 07:45 PM
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If women’s biggest problems were caused by bees, it would be all about bees.
/r/PurplePillDebate05/11/23 07:40 PM
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I know, everyone likes fries. I’m hideous and irredeemable.
/r/PurplePillDebate05/11/23 05:21 PM
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What a peculiar thing to say.
/r/PurplePillDebate05/11/23 04:44 PM
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Disruptive, then. Disrupting the peace.
/r/PurplePillDebate05/11/23 03:57 PM
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I read it, I just ignored the "traditional man" part because it's silly. Men aren't willing to give up the social contract which implies they are owed attention and sexual favors in exchange for a meal. Men aren't willing to allow women to ask them out, because men prefer to do the chasing. Men aren't willing to pay for a maid, a nanny, and a personal chef, they'd prefer a wife who does all that and provides sexual services.
/r/PurplePillDebate05/11/23 03:45 PM
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but now they also want physical attractiveness Yeah... same thing men always desired. It's inequitable, skewed, and doesn't feel right. It's equitable and fair. Imagine if men expected women to be young, fertile, attractive, with a curvaceous figure, and also to have more money than them and to cover all the dating expenses. Men have always expected women to be young, fertile, attractive with a curvaceous figure and also wreck their youth and beauty via pregnancy, childbirth, nursing, and the st…
/r/PurplePillDebate05/11/23 03:25 PM
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Actually, it's just that the standards women have for what's considered an attractive man are much higher than they used to be. This is the natural state in spaces where women are no longer fully dependent on men for money. Men used to choose the most attractive woman they could pull, too. Women are simply doing the same thing.
/r/PurplePillDebate05/11/23 03:15 PM
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A religion is only as good as it's members.
/r/PurplePillDebate05/11/23 02:43 PM
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It doesn't. Chemistry just is. It's part rapport, part mutual physical attraction. Women are aware men are frustrated by the nebulous term, but it boils down to "I like his ideas and attitude, and the idea of his tongue in my mouth is pleasing". Seems as though men can have this thought by simply checking out a woman's face and body from across the room. But women actually need to know a man before feeling excited about touching him. And it's not on purpose and women would sure like it if dating…
/r/PurplePillDebate05/11/23 02:37 PM
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The only time I see your posts is when you charge in to claim that no one knows anyone about the red pill. You know a good summary of it is right over there --->
/r/PurplePillDebate05/11/23 02:23 PM
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Oh look, the Scotsman is back to inform everyone that he's the only true red piller/pick up artist.
/r/PurplePillDebate05/11/23 02:14 PM
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Amazing stories, but the image of a guy fainting over sleeping snakes is next level hilarious. He claimed he hiked 20+ miles every month, so it didn't register that he'd fainted out of fear. I thought he'd had a stroke or something, had never seen anyone in a dead faint. He crumpled like a cartoon and I had a hard time waking him up. And the snakes were brumating (snake hibernation) so they were completely cold and still. I had to pick each of them up and stuffed the little one in the pocket on …
/r/PurplePillDebate05/11/23 01:56 PM
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No one lied. Ugly men date and marry ugly women all the time. Have you ever been inside a Walmart? A public beach? Humans of all kinds get together and even the least physically attractive person can succeed with other redeeming qualities.
/r/PurplePillDebate05/11/23 01:01 PM
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The creators of rage bait deliberately create disinformation because they know that will get likes, interactions, views, and shares. Belief in this nonsense is funneling money to very bad people who take advantage of vulnerable, easily angered men.
/r/PurplePillDebate05/11/23 12:55 PM
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No, you’d be asking a pilot how to fly a plane. Which isn’t as good as actually doing something, but it’s far better than asking other socially inept and inexperienced men what women want.
/r/PurplePillDebate05/11/23 12:51 PM
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That is patently false. TRP and PUA is an elaborate game of telephone designed by grifters who profit from gullible, vulnerable men. There is nothing of value to be learned, both are hate groups.
/r/PurplePillDebate05/11/23 12:49 PM
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Rationalizing it just makes it sound crazier, because the same men wouldn’t ask non-pilots how to fly an airplane.
/r/PurplePillDebate05/11/23 12:47 PM
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But the same man knows he cannot fly a plane by simply reading what non-pilots write about flying.
/r/PurplePillDebate05/11/23 12:31 PM
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The men who claim to know the most about “female nature” simultaneously admit they have no female friends and or girlfriends with zero trace of irony. But I don’t believe they are legitimately brainwashed by red pill and PUA content, I believe they are just frustrated and lashing out at women.
/r/PurplePillDebate05/11/23 12:23 PM
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And somehow men translated that to “Women prefer ugly men”.
/r/PurplePillDebate05/11/23 12:17 PM
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Stop flirting, I’m not interested.
/r/PurplePillDebate05/11/23 11:57 AM
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A staggering majority of men have no effect whatsoever on women’s behavior.
/r/PurplePillDebate05/11/23 11:52 AM
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It’s cute when men believe they are the center of the universe.
/r/PurplePillDebate05/11/23 11:40 AM
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Women don’t give a flying fuck if men approve of our hobbies.
/r/PurplePillDebate05/11/23 11:37 AM
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Women don’t think like this and don’t use makeup or fashion as a dating strategy. It’s play, a hobby. Something women do largely for fun and despite what men want to believe, women exist even when men aren’t appraising them.
/r/PurplePillDebate05/11/23 11:23 AM
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Men get a 90-95% orgasm rate. Why would we agree to anything less? My friends and I have joked about getting up and walking to the kitchen immediately after orgasm and sitting down to eat without getting a male partner off. You know, like they do. It would be a fun social experiment, except it would be met with violence. For real, though, if I’m going to have sex, I’m going to make sure it’s the best my partner has ever had. Can’t imagine being okay with leaving a partner unsatisfied.
/r/PurplePillDebate05/11/23 11:21 AM
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They literally only have to put down the fork; Why would women bother to diet since (checks notes) 80% of men are unattractive anyway?
/r/PurplePillDebate05/11/23 11:04 AM
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I wasn’t responding to you, I was responding to the man who is incredulous that a woman might also like to enjoy sex. Now there are three men who expressed disdain or surprise that a woman, too, wants to enjoy sex. I’m easing back into dating after a very long and pleasant break and I suppose I need to work this into an early conversation because frankly I had no idea there were men in this world who feel that a woman’s orgasm is a big ask.
/r/PurplePillDebate05/11/23 11:01 AM
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like one guy was really into celeb impersonations Whoa that’s an awkward thing to whip out on a first date. Did he do that in front of other people?
/r/PurplePillDebate05/11/23 10:57 AM
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This is my favorite in the whole thread 🤣
/r/PurplePillDebate05/11/23 10:55 AM
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That’s a fetish. Small penis humiliation or something like that. It might be common, I’ve had two different men send me unsolicited photos asking for a critique. The only criticism I could offer is “don’t send unsolicited dick pics, freak”.
/r/PurplePillDebate05/11/23 10:54 AM
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He was furious that I don’t care for French fries and launched into a loud tirade about women and their eating habits. Another diner laid twenty on the table and said “Girl, run.” A man who claimed to love hiking showed up for an hour long hike on a new trail with brand new Timberlands, a backpack with a frame (that’s for overnight hikes and a tent) and a goddamned compass. Trainers and a water bottle were adequate for the clean, wide trail that many classmates completed wearing flip flops. A ma…
/r/PurplePillDebate05/11/23 10:47 AM
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You cannot be serious. Obviously foreplay is standard.
/r/PurplePillDebate05/11/23 10:32 AM
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Boilerplate replies to everyone are completely nonsensical. If you have nothing to say, it’s easier to simply not respond instead of cluttering the discussion with meaningless dribble.
/r/PurplePillDebate05/11/23 10:31 AM
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Yet somehow some men assumed that women actually prefer ugly men so long as they are nice. Where did men get that idea?
/r/PurplePillDebate05/11/23 10:27 AM
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Obviously no woman is actually going to own up to that. I can point you to several interviews where they interview women asking what they like and none ever say a tall, confident, rich guy. It's always some variation of nice. How many women have you heard “I just want an ugly nice guy”?
/r/PurplePillDebate05/11/23 10:26 AM
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Is that why TRP men are such woman hating assholes? Because they think that pretending to be a jerk is going to help them get laid?
/r/PurplePillDebate05/11/23 10:25 AM
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You think boys say “mom, how do I get laid”? Because that scenario I never happened, either.
/r/PurplePillDebate05/11/23 10:24 AM
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Do you want to date a blond woman willing to marry a violent prisoner? Is that an option men prefer? Or do they just bring up extreme outliers in an attempt to indict women for failing to notice the “nice guys”?
/r/PurplePillDebate05/11/23 10:19 AM
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Tons of men’s experience when growing up and being told how to attract a woman No one is telling boys “how to attract a woman” Be presentable Get a good job Be nice Standard advice on how to be an adult. a lot of important conversations for many people were never had, context and nuance never explored and it’s had a severe impact on the lives of many. No one, absolutely no one was informed how to attract the opposite sex and get laid. Yet a world with 8 billion people demonstrates that people fi…
/r/PurplePillDebate05/11/23 10:16 AM
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Those things confirmed what we were told and even when the "brave" and "handsome" stuff did come up, we were told we were those things anyway, by well-meaning parents, grandparents, aunts/uncles, doctors/nurses, and even people who (to us, even if our relatives knew them) were strangers. Sounds like boys grew up with a cushy life, that must have been nice. Meanwhile girls were told “close your legs, sit like a lady, clean up after your brothers”
/r/PurplePillDebate05/11/23 10:11 AM
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The topic is the OP you clearly did not read.
/r/PurplePillDebate05/11/23 10:07 AM
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immature girls Yes, girls are immature, so are boys. Your point?
/r/PurplePillDebate05/11/23 10:05 AM
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You think women watch men’s “romances” (i.e. porn) and attempt to mimic what they see there in order to attract men? Are women ordering pizza and attempting to seduce the delivery driver? Are women bending over in the laundromat in the hopes a man will lose control and forcefully have sex with her in front of strangers? Why in the world would men presume fiction means anything to women other than escapism and entertainment, which is the purpose of fiction?
/r/PurplePillDebate05/11/23 10:04 AM
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One admittedly mentally ill woman pretended to be a man for a book. Her experiment was not scientific and has not been replicated by the thousands of trans men who fly under the radar and conduct successful, fulfilling lives. Using the admittedly mentally ill Vincent is the absolute height of intellectual dishonesty when there are trans men all over the world succeeding and living fulfilling lives.
/r/PurplePillDebate05/11/23 09:58 AM
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You have the benefit of being considered an inoffensive, benign, perhaps even fragile treasure to be protected and listened to and loved for what you are. Wow. What privilege permits you to assume that girls grow up surrounded by a cloud of kindness? Girls grow up with the expectation that boys are going to grab their bodies, snap their bra straps, yank their pigtails, and generally abuse them physically and sexually throughout their lives because boys will be boys and men have needs. Girls grow…
/r/PurplePillDebate05/11/23 09:55 AM
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What are you proposing children and teenagers take from observing that the abrasive, obnoxious, bullying assholes tend to get the girls? You just admitted that boys do know that being nice isn’t sufficient.
/r/PurplePillDebate05/11/23 09:50 AM
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Have you heard women say “I just want an ugly man, a complete goblin who is nice and caring?”
/r/PurplePillDebate05/11/23 09:49 AM
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The dozen dick pics in my DMs inform me that men lack morals and accountability entirely.
/r/PurplePillDebate05/11/23 09:48 AM
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Men lied to themselves. Unattractive boys latch on to attractive girls beginning in elementary school and get the idea they have a chance with the head cheerleader, then spend months to years obsessing over girl after girl who has never once noticed they are alive. Then they reach adulthood and want someone to blame for their lack of romantic or sexual success. It’s them. The blame belongs solely to men, who lead a fantasy life like Don Quixote instead of behaving with reason and logic. Frankly …
/r/PurplePillDebate05/11/23 09:47 AM
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I don’t believe you’ve roamed the earth for 18 years asking women for advice on how to get laid. That never happened.
/r/PurplePillDebate05/11/23 09:41 AM
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Show us the social contract which requires women to facilitate getting laid for men.
/r/PurplePillDebate05/11/23 09:39 AM
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We’ve all read the OP and a dozen posts exactly like it each week. It’s wild that men refuse to take accountability for themselves.
/r/PurplePillDebate05/11/23 09:34 AM
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This doesn’t sound healthy.
/r/PurplePillDebate05/11/23 09:33 AM
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Attractive ≠ attracted to, and “stoicism” looks exactly like a lack of social skills. Women will never be as interested in strangers as strangers are them. This is what people who lack a social circle don’t get. This is what people who think annoying 99 strangers for a single phone number refuse to accept. Some rando in a store is rarely an option. But he is a nuisance.
/r/PurplePillDebate05/11/23 09:32 AM
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Are men doing that? Fuck, no they aren’t.
/r/PurplePillDebate05/11/23 02:29 AM
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Here's the thing. Men claim to have non-working eyes and don't see that girls in school and women in college gravitate towards physically attractive men, so I guess expecting them to read what women say plainly is too much to ask. Men flatly, boldly refuse to listen to women and claim "Men don't listen to what women say, they watch what women do", but they obviously don't watch what women do, because they ain't seeing the head cheerleader with a bridge troll, are they? So do men believe women or…
/r/PurplePillDebate04/11/23 10:30 PM
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Who are asocial and physically ordinary or unattractive men holding responsible for facilitating their romantic and sexual desires? Do those men realize that no one is required or even expected to provide opportunities to have sex with or marry the opposite sex?
/r/PurplePillDebate04/11/23 10:15 PM
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Dude, I've had long, uncomfortable conversations with you about your "conversion" to religion. I don't know what is up with you, but even I can see something is wrong and I haven't seen your posts or responded in a month or two.
/r/PurplePillDebate04/11/23 10:13 PM
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I've seen your claims before, and you say "cold approached". What else did you try? Do you have genuine female friends to love and who love you?
/r/PurplePillDebate04/11/23 10:10 PM
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I actually like strangers and love men. I can't imagine life without my male friends. So I'll keep my pleasant expression even if a fringe group of men misinterpret friendliness as an invitation. But I promise you that the most socially, romantically, and sexually successful men actually enjoy people, like to have fun, can make jokes and laugh at jokes, and can flirt without heavy expectation. I highly recommend relaxing and learning a genuine, heartfelt grin.
/r/PurplePillDebate04/11/23 10:09 PM
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I think they should try something productive with proven results rather than following some sketchy grifter's online prescription.
/r/PurplePillDebate04/11/23 10:06 PM
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Would you recommend your daughter, niece, or little sister give homeless dudes rides?
/r/PurplePillDebate04/11/23 10:06 PM
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Especially considering the conflicting claims in the history. But it tracks, it does.
/r/PurplePillDebate04/11/23 10:05 PM
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Giving people a ride in the 1970s is a little different from letting twitchy, sketchy, scam artists or carjackers in the car today.
/r/PurplePillDebate04/11/23 07:48 PM
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I agree he has multiple redeeming qualities which make him a catch. I responded to the claim that he's "he definitely is above average in looks"
/r/PurplePillDebate04/11/23 07:39 PM
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What would YOU have us do? Cultivate and maintain a social circle and make platonic friends with women so you see them as human beings with their own goals and agendas instead of a means to an end.
/r/PurplePillDebate04/11/23 07:38 PM
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Can die knowing I did my best. I'm sure that's what Lance Armstrong, Mark McGwire, and Tonya Harding said about their contributions to their respective sports.
/r/PurplePillDebate04/11/23 07:22 PM
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He's not an average man, he's a motivated self-starter and social media influencer who thus far has done more good than bad. But he's average looking for sure.
/r/PurplePillDebate04/11/23 07:20 PM
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The definition of doing the same thing over and over while expecting different results is called...? If that analogy is unfamiliar, if someone told you they tried over and over to learn to drive by talking to people who drive, would you say they tried in earnest?
/r/PurplePillDebate04/11/23 07:19 PM
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I have a resting smiling face which means lone men often regard me as an opportunity rather than a person. But the difference between a good and bad attempt at flirting is divided starkly between his attitude and visage. Intense, brooding focus is off-putting-to-startling. A relaxed, non-directional friendly vibe is welcome in almost any environment.
/r/PurplePillDebate04/11/23 07:04 PM
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This sounds mental, frankly. What's good about annoying one hundred women and getting rejected over and over? It's suicide fuel for some men.
/r/PurplePillDebate04/11/23 07:00 PM
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Yes. Deadbeat dads ruin lives and taxpayers, teachers, and social workers are forced to cover for their absences.
/r/PurplePillDebate04/11/23 06:59 PM
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Everyone is sick of “rules 1 & 2” because those men aren’t approaching ugly women, are they? Yet they get upset and pretend to be offended when women reject them via the very same criteria they used to approach.
/r/PurplePillDebate04/11/23 06:47 PM
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They're literally called misogynists just for not wanting a woman who is used. No, they are literally called choosing beggars. Men aren’t required by any social convention to date women with differing values. Not a darn thing stopping men from finding partners in high school or in church.
/r/PurplePillDebate04/11/23 06:45 PM
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It's basically the IRL version of instagram. Except with more stalking and real and present danger. Probably better for the cardio and heart rate than the “ego boost”. There are one thousand better ways to meet people than to corner strangers and demand their attention.
/r/PurplePillDebate04/11/23 06:44 PM
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The very worst of humanity is revealed by the PUA grifters who tell men “Rejection builds character, keep grinding”. Mods on the seduction sub shut it down quickly, but most men are emotional destroyed by constant rejection and emotionally betrayed by men who tell them to keep doing it.
/r/PurplePillDebate04/11/23 06:40 PM
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An easy, relaxed posture and friendly grin adds several points to anyone’s attractiveness. Brooding, intense scrutiny and judgmental looks subtract the same.
/r/PurplePillDebate04/11/23 06:38 PM
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"Alarm bells and gut instinct" this is literally animal level thinking based on neurosis. Men are free to ignore their alarm bells and gut instincts and drink whatever a prostitute hands them. Men are also free to give rides to strangers and to eat the rice left out overnight if they feel making prudent decisions about their safety makes them appear "neurotic". "No republican" Yet you vote for the plutocratic corporate worshiping democrat party. Boeing, Northrop Gruman, and Lockheed Martin calle…
/r/PurplePillDebate04/11/23 05:55 PM
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Both men and women change when faced with life's stressors. People are on their best behavior until they lock down a mate. When children, financial problems, work stress, illness, and substance abuse are added to a couple, partners can change radically from who they presented in the beginning.
/r/PurplePillDebate04/11/23 05:44 PM
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It's interesting then that in humans women are deemed the "pretty" sex when in much of the animal kingdom ...because female animals which brood nests and young need to be inauspicious and hidden from predators.
/r/PurplePillDebate04/11/23 05:37 PM
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Right? If he were in Hollywood he'd be typecast as the office's IT nerd. I mean, he's average, for sure, not below, and has accomplished a lot of terrific things, but he isn't good looking.
/r/PurplePillDebate04/11/23 05:36 PM
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Dude men do not flip out in front of other men because they know men will beat them into the ground. The same men refuse to approach women in front of other men, too, so they have no witnesses to their abusive behavior. Fortunately women got the memo a decade ago and surreptitiously film the encounters then post them on social media to shut down gaslighters such as yourself. If you'd like more sources than videos of men behaving as violent fools when rejected on social media, you're welcome to v…
/r/PurplePillDebate04/11/23 05:31 PM
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I don't, but if I chose to this , I wouldn't turn around and claim I am doing it for someone else's benefit. Men consistently whine they work forty hours per week for the benefit of their wives and families as their wife, who is on call 24/7, is expected to perform at peak motherhood professionalism for the duration of her children's natural lives as well as sacrifice her own happiness, wants and needs in favor of raising her children.
/r/PurplePillDebate04/11/23 05:28 PM
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No, it's exactly what they claim. The latest red pill trope is "Women select for violence".
/r/PurplePillDebate04/11/23 05:02 PM
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You aren't arguing in good faith. Gestating, birthing, nursing, and raising a child to adulthood is an incredible amount of physical and emotional effort 24 hours per day for a lifetime, and the bulk of that task is left to women. It's a labor of love, but it's labor by any measure. And it's something most men simply cannot and will not do. I'll ask you again. Do you love working so much you'd be on call for 18+ years round the clock and you'd give away your entire pay for the health and well-be…
/r/PurplePillDebate04/11/23 04:58 PM
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It's your choice. And working to pay for your home, cars, and toys is also a choice. Does that mean you find working perpetually fun and rewarding? Does that mean that work is effortless and enjoyable for you? Relaxing and exciting every day? How would you feel if you were on call 24 hours per day, seven days per week for 18+ years?
/r/PurplePillDebate04/11/23 04:49 PM
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he definitely is above average in looks I'd never notice this man on any street in North America unless we interacted for some reason. (Yes, he's self-made and has done some incredibly kind things for others)
/r/PurplePillDebate04/11/23 04:45 PM
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Men want nice cars or boats, too, that doesn't mean that working to pay for those things is always effortless and fun.
/r/PurplePillDebate04/11/23 04:36 PM
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No one would believe it. I doubt anyone believed it then...
/r/PurplePillDebate04/11/23 04:01 PM
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Most of the comments made by men here are abhorrent, no one should be surprised if a woman returns the sentiment.
/r/PurplePillDebate04/11/23 03:54 PM
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Don't forget search and rescue, police, smoke jumpers, firefighters, construction workers, etc. I haven't forgotten them. They are dating park rangers, doctors, surgeons, professors, nurse practioners, nurses, mothers, teachers, police officers, social workers, pharmacists, lawyers, and pilots.
/r/PurplePillDebate04/11/23 03:40 PM
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All the delivery driving, tech supporting PPD desk jockeys magically become wealthy coal miners who easily deadlift 500 pounds and run tough mudders when the argument suits them.
/r/PurplePillDebate04/11/23 03:28 PM
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Men paying for all the shit (your bills, your purses , your food, your bills, your make up stuff) while working overtime, in extreme temperatures too, doing odd jobs while not seeing their kids and then return home for their wives to scream that they are doing nothing. Welcome to 2023, Time Traveler. What's it like to live in a 1950's sitcom?
/r/PurplePillDebate04/11/23 03:23 PM
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Women taking care of their adult husbands as though they are giant children for the duration of their relationship is "giving everything", as is birthing, nursing, and raising their children. But men don't count all that care, do they, because they feel entitled to it.
/r/PurplePillDebate04/11/23 03:14 PM
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Buying gifts for women because men want something in return isn't romance, it's bartering.
/r/PurplePillDebate04/11/23 03:09 PM
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Yes, and each creation of those 8 billion was a Herculean effort.
/r/PurplePillDebate04/11/23 03:07 PM
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Women don't have to offer men gifts in exchange for validation and sexual favors, do they?
/r/PurplePillDebate04/11/23 03:06 PM
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Don't posts tik toks of real women's laundry lists of requirements, they aren't valid!" I asked if I'd missed a meme or something, I don't know what specifically OP refers to. Posts a clip from a 30 year old sitcom. I think it's forty years old? Regardless I got stuck watching the entire show last spring and figured the George character resonates with some of the men here.
/r/PurplePillDebate04/11/23 03:05 PM
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except for that person's affection That's the very definition of getting something, which is why men engage in romantic contracts. If they wanted nothing for it, men would give flowers away to strangers, wouldn't they?
/r/PurplePillDebate04/11/23 02:53 PM
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Growing an entire human inside her body and surviving an 8 pound infant's violent exit seems Herculean, especially when compared to a man who remembers to buy roses on Valentine's day.
/r/PurplePillDebate04/11/23 02:39 PM
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I don't personally know any women with a laundry list of requirements, where are you seeing that? Did I miss a TikTok or social media trend? If people are being nasty it's because his pretense is obnoxious. There is a 30 year old Seinfeld clip which illustrates choosing beggars nicely, from an episode called "The Fix Up". https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=16nYW1T0Wbs (Regarding the video, what the fuck is with foot guys, anyway? Why must they insert their fetish in every effing conversation?)
/r/PurplePillDebate04/11/23 02:17 PM
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Most of the disenfranchised men on TRP believe women are lesser, anyway, and will absolutely turn violent given the opportunity. I'd much rather take my chances with a man who actually seeks and enjoys the company of women over a man who spends all his free time despising women.
/r/PurplePillDebate04/11/23 01:52 PM
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Cool. While we're at it, I get the feeling you "don't count" mass shooting injuries, but only deaths. Do you believe that being shot or witnessing the maiming and murder of humans around you is a zero event?
/r/PurplePillDebate04/11/23 01:49 PM
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Y'all know women also have access to the internet and can read and watch the same content as men, right? TRP isn't some super-secret society hidden from women or the general public.
/r/PurplePillDebate04/11/23 01:41 PM
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For example, the FBI noted 50 mass shooter incidents last year, while the Gun Violence Archive claimed more than 600. The claim you made was not only incorrect, it was maliciously, deliberately incorrect disinformation and conspiracy theory.
/r/PurplePillDebate04/11/23 01:40 PM
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Accountable for what, the entire male agenda, including that which runs counter to our own?
/r/PurplePillDebate04/11/23 01:38 PM
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because you as a man did not maintain frame. I've never cheated in my life but if a man pretended to behave as a mid century authoritarian father I'd slip out and fuck the next 19 year old on a skateboard I could find.
/r/PurplePillDebate04/11/23 01:37 PM
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that also means punishing her for her bad behaviour leading her and helping her become the person he wants her to be and treat him by having strong boundaries demonstrating that he has self-respect and knowing how to understand women and their psychology. Misogynists really do regard women as sexy children, don't they.
/r/PurplePillDebate04/11/23 01:34 PM
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I'd like for you to go back and read your comments in this chain, in which you dismissed every link I provided. The Rockefeller Institute of Government is a thinktank (if you're not in the US, that's a generous term which also means "lobby") but they do provide verifiable statistics you can easily cross check, just as you can the Wiki list of shootings. And no, saying "the news/Wiki/thinktanks/lobbies are not reliable sources" is meaningless, since you can easily crosscheck the facts provided. F…
/r/PurplePillDebate04/11/23 01:30 PM
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This is horrific.
/r/PurplePillDebate04/11/23 01:24 PM
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There is a spectrum of men who treat women as targets and spend all their time hunting a woman who will go out with them, and that spectrum ranges from awkward and obvious to desperate and angry. Of course those men are going to fail because their intense focus is off-putting. And when those men attempt cheat codes and hacks on human beings which do not work, those men are going to react angrily to rejection because their tips didn't result in a win. I don't know why men allow themselves to be s…
/r/PurplePillDebate04/11/23 01:22 PM
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Here is an entire list of the shootings in 2022. I'm not going through each one and providing you with a link to press releases or statements by public service officers, but please feel free to select all or a random sample to verify these incidents indeed happened and are not "fake" or whatever conspiracy you've read or spread. https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_mass_shootings_in_the_United_States_in_2022
/r/PurplePillDebate04/11/23 01:07 PM
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Merging the GVA mass shooting statistics with the FBI definition of a mass shooting is deceptive. Show me the FBI definition of mass shooting.
/r/PurplePillDebate04/11/23 01:12 AM
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Attractive men, obviously to any and every sighted person. Why in the world do so many TRP men claim women are attracted to ugly men? Explain it.
/r/PurplePillDebate04/11/23 12:27 AM
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However, it’s still untrue that there were 600+ masa shootings last year if you use the FBI definition of a mass shooting. Basic math bears this out. If you use the definition that the Gun Violence Archive uses, then there were indeed 600+ mass shootings last year. I’m dicking around on my phone while a coworker drives us home after an exhausting couple weeks in a much larger city filled with people who are resistant to facts. I’ll be home before daylight and I’ll be happy to sit at my desktop a…
/r/PurplePillDebate04/11/23 12:16 AM
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I’m telling you plainly that men pretend they can’t see with their own eyes that girls then women prefer men they are attracted to. When those men get angry about their lack of success, they reliably claim that the men women prefer are “bad, evil, manipulative abusers and cheaters” which is utter horseshit. The narrative disaffected men choose always paints them in a good light and popular men in a bad light. Nothing more untrustworthy than sour grapes, but that’s where frustrated men invariably…
/r/PurplePillDebate03/11/23 11:52 PM
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Agreed, but a relationship opens more opportunities to those men to harm you, Great, fantastic, solid argument for women to avoid relationships with men they already know hate and resent women because they feel marginalized and embittered.
/r/PurplePillDebate03/11/23 11:41 PM
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Note that this may not be a deliberate attempt to mislead so much as someone not doing their due diligence when researching that stats. Oh, so same as your posts. Huh.
/r/PurplePillDebate03/11/23 11:21 PM
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You claim that reported mass shootings are misrepresented by the media. And now you know they are not. And refuse to do your own research and correct your false claim.
/r/PurplePillDebate03/11/23 11:14 PM
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How often do men choose to drive within five miles of their homes and risk car accidents at a higher rate? Do you know of some method to somehow avoid the five miles within a home?
/r/PurplePillDebate03/11/23 11:03 PM
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That’s because of proximity and opportunity. You know how most car accidents happen within five miles of the home because that’s where you are more often? Because of proximity. Same thing with domestic violence. The reason partners are more likely to abuse is because they spend far more time with them and share the same stressors. Is there a valid reason you’ve misrepresented statistics in this thread?
/r/PurplePillDebate03/11/23 11:01 PM
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You> For example, the FBI noted 50 mass shooter incidents last year, while the Gun Violence Archive claimed more than 600.
/r/PurplePillDebate03/11/23 10:57 PM
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They openly say that. Show me where they say that, then show me where you “learned” there were only 50 mass shootings.
/r/PurplePillDebate03/11/23 10:42 PM
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When I have access to a desktop instead of my phone, I gladly will. But I’m deeply uninterested in providing facts to someone clearly resistant to facts and susceptible to conspiracies.
/r/PurplePillDebate03/11/23 10:35 PM
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I can’t help you.
/r/PurplePillDebate03/11/23 10:22 PM
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It’s still a debate because men who are unsuccessful claim that successful men are all jerks, all bullies, all abusers. Men don’t believe women. Men believe whatever narrative preserves their dignity and sense of self-importance.
/r/PurplePillDebate03/11/23 09:51 PM
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Women don’t need “neuroticism” to find unwanted romantic and sexual attention annoying or uncomfortable. And one bad reaction is sufficient to inform women to tread very carefully.
/r/PurplePillDebate03/11/23 09:49 PM
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The FBI’s definition of mass shooting is four or more deaths. You still have “active shooter events” confused with mass shootings, and I don’t understand what you aren’t getting. Some mass shootings are “active shooter events” which require a police presence to actively engage and try to stop or arrest/kill the shooter.
/r/PurplePillDebate03/11/23 09:48 PM
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Most men take rejection well, or just get depressed about it, or rant and rave here. Men do not take rejection well, they send wild ass screeds chastising women for passing up “good” men. They post long rants about the “friendzone” and some of them freak the hell out and are caught on camera and posted. I don’t know a single women who has ever had a man simply say “Cool, have a great day” and walked away from an unwanted proposition.
/r/PurplePillDebate03/11/23 09:27 PM
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Define toxic femininity, because men heavily endorse it here, where men insist they should make the first move and pay for dates because women who make the first move are “desperate” and women who pay are “showing off a career or salary men don’t care about”.
/r/PurplePillDebate03/11/23 09:24 PM
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But the media doesn’t misuse them, I linked a recent article which defined how the FBI designates “mass shootings” as four or more deaths. I wonder where you got the idea or read the idea that there were “only fifty” mass shootings. Where is this willful disinformation posted? Reddit? Facebook?
/r/PurplePillDebate03/11/23 09:20 PM
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Dude, stop. It’s okay to admit you’re wrong and misunderstood something.
/r/PurplePillDebate03/11/23 07:46 PM
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Why are you using the Gun Violence Archive instead of the FBI? What in the circular argument are you doing here?
/r/PurplePillDebate03/11/23 07:44 PM
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What point? You’re claiming that birth control somehow hampers sex drives when the freedom from pregnancy kicked off the sexual revolution.
/r/PurplePillDebate03/11/23 07:44 PM
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In practice, the FBI does consider almost all mass shooter incidents to be active shooter incidents as well. There are few instances without overlap. It’s why they don’t record the two as separate categories. Non-public incidents of mass killing are rare compared to public incidents. Let’s just do some math here. You are wrong. I don’t think Gun Violence Archive is necessarily being dishonest here. Definitely not. However, this data, by its very nature, is liable to abuse. No it isn’t. The FBI h…
/r/PurplePillDebate03/11/23 07:11 PM
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She stayed, seems like men ought to blame the absent parent if they must absolve themselves of any responsibility for their own success or lack of.
/r/PurplePillDebate03/11/23 06:39 PM
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I didn’t say that, but blaming their mothers for their lack of success with dating and life in general is very common on this sub.
/r/PurplePillDebate03/11/23 06:34 PM
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If you believe this, then you must also believe the sexual revolution which was kicked off by easily available birth control never happened. Do you think that was a conspiracy of some sort?
/r/PurplePillDebate03/11/23 06:26 PM
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Conservatives do not admit their family had flaws, they are the biggest proponents of the Golden Age fallacy in which “everything was better in the old days”.
/r/PurplePillDebate03/11/23 06:24 PM
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Nope. But I do find men blaming the active parent for their dating difficulties or failure to launch is the biggest red flag.
/r/PurplePillDebate03/11/23 06:21 PM
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It does not and the definition of active shooter is on the damn page I just showed you. An active shooter requires intervention. There are mass shootings in which four or more people are discovered dead, but no SWAT teams were required.
/r/PurplePillDebate03/11/23 06:13 PM
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He has the stats wrong, anyway. He’s confusing the FBI’s 50 “active shooter events” instead of the mass shootings. https://www.fbi.gov/file-repository/active-shooter-incidents-in-the-us-2022-042623.pdf/view
/r/PurplePillDebate03/11/23 06:11 PM
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You’re confusing “active shooter” incidents with mass shootings. This is the FBI site. https://www.fbi.gov/file-repository/active-shooter-incidents-in-the-us-2022-042623.pdf/view
/r/PurplePillDebate03/11/23 06:06 PM
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The second paragraph in the article: “ Mass shootings are defined as an incident in which four or more victims are shot or killed” There are some incidents they have cited that the FBI hasn’t even been able to confirm to have happened at all. I don’t believe in conspiracy theories. Facts over feelings, please.
/r/PurplePillDebate03/11/23 05:55 PM
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Most men are NOT given automatic respect from other men lol. You think a woman and a man walking into an auto parts store, a car dealership, a Best Buy/Apple store, or any home improvement store get the same respect? Horseshit. Men get beaten, robbed, shot at, stabbed, bullied, insulted, and even killed by other men all the time. You sure you want to discuss the reasons for this? I also believe you're overstating the awfulness of the female experience. I didn’t say it was awful. But some situati…
/r/PurplePillDebate03/11/23 05:54 PM
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https://abcnews.go.com/US/mass-shootings-days-2023-database-shows/story?id=96609874
/r/PurplePillDebate03/11/23 05:48 PM
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Highly recommend an Intro to Statistics course.
/r/PurplePillDebate03/11/23 05:03 PM
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That’s true, but the statistics don’t lie. No, but men drawing erroneous conclusions from simple stats certainly do. Women are very unlikely to be attacked by a stranger. Because women take precautions and are around strangers less often than with domestic partners. Also, mass shootings are rare as well. Mass shootings occur daily in the US, there has already been 500 this year alone. more likely to be struck by lighting Lightning strikes are indeed uncommon, but I don’t believe you’d recommend …
/r/PurplePillDebate03/11/23 05:00 PM
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That’s because of proximity and opportunity. You know how most car accidents happen within five miles of the home because that’s where you are more often? Because of proximity. Same thing with domestic violence. The reason partners are more likely to abuse is because they spend far more time with them and share the same stressors.
/r/PurplePillDebate03/11/23 04:54 PM
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I guess the frustrating aspect of all of this is that women on Reddit tend to overlook how powerless or mundane the average man is. Power is relative, isn’t it? Women are jealous of the power the average man has to get automatic respect from men. The average man can go for a walk anytime day or night without fear of being stalked, followed, hassled, catcalled, or harassed. The average man can break down on the side of the road and have no fear of steange men stopping to “help”. The average man c…
/r/PurplePillDebate03/11/23 03:06 PM
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And if they do go out, they don’t go out to relax and have fun and socialize. They go out to hunt, which is completely off putting.
/r/PurplePillDebate03/11/23 11:10 AM
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Men who are intense and unsmiling don’t get attention, and that’s the default setting for some men here. Men who can relax and grin and laugh at jokes or make jokes get female attention.
/r/PurplePillDebate03/11/23 10:55 AM
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A 1% rate of return means it does not work unless the plan is to irritate 99 women and humiliate vulnerable men 99 times for one phone number which probably won’t lead anywhere.
/r/PurplePillDebate03/11/23 10:46 AM
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Men haven’t been terrific to women historically or presently. I’m surprised that men are surprised women pushed back after a couple thousand years of subjugation. I don’t enjoy reading certain subs, so I don’t go there. But men consistently go there and there is a new thread every day or two crying about 2X. Are men really emotionally hurt or momentarily insulted and brigading the sub?
/r/PurplePillDebate03/11/23 01:43 AM
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I mean… why would there be? Women aren’t furious if men aren’t interested
/r/PurplePillDebate03/11/23 12:20 AM
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This basically excludes the majority among good men who would make good marital partners. Since marriage presumes sex. Men who would let an adult woman and potentially the mother of their other children die due to an ectopic pregnancy, a molar pregnancy, a miscarriage because they are “against abortion” are not “good husbands”. Simply women encouraging the OP to lie or omit information relevant to their own self-respect in order to start a relationship. I have no idea what this means.
/r/PurplePillDebate02/11/23 11:02 PM
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Why is that.
/r/PurplePillDebate02/11/23 10:41 PM
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Why are men so fascinated with the Two X sub? It’s a support sub, it’s not a snapshot of how women regard men, it’s how women who need help and advice with medical, social, emotional, dating and relationship support. Hey OP, 2X isn’t all women
/r/PurplePillDebate02/11/23 09:58 PM
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Most men do approach women who are interested. The problem is the men who don’t know or don’t care but feel they have some implied social right to a female audience.
/r/PurplePillDebate02/11/23 05:17 PM
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Yet men expect women to somehow conjure physical and emotional attraction for men they aren’t at all interested in.
/r/PurplePillDebate02/11/23 05:15 PM
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That’s the dynamics certain men expect women to go along with, women didn’t unanimously sign up to be propositioned by men they aren’t interested in. That’s a choice men make whether it’s wanted or not.
/r/PurplePillDebate02/11/23 05:14 PM
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This post is for people on the ACE spectrum, right? What man or woman who expects a serviceable, mutually gratifying sex life claims that physical attraction is unimportant.
/r/PurplePillDebate02/11/23 02:12 PM
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There are very few women that put EQ significantly EQ is on the top of the list for every woman in my sphere.
/r/PurplePillDebate02/11/23 01:56 PM
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Is he interested in sex and does he expect enthusiastic or satisfying sex? If not and she's free to avoid sex with a husband she isn't attracted to, this sounds good. But how many asexual couples are there, really?
/r/PurplePillDebate02/11/23 01:38 PM
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If disliking strangers is the default, a man has no business expecting strange women to like him.
/r/PurplePillDebate02/11/23 09:16 AM
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Men start bar fights and brawls with strangers at sporting events, what’s your point?
/r/PurplePillDebate02/11/23 09:12 AM
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I didn’t say you hate everyone, but if you don’t like people, you desire a women to provide sex and comfort. That means her desires, her needs and her humanity mean nothing to you. She’s a means to an end. No woman want that.
/r/PurplePillDebate02/11/23 09:06 AM
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never ever some total stranger approached us to join us. And if they did do that, they would probably not succeed. Then how in the hell could you expect to be welcomed by a women you don’t know? If you don’t want to be bothered by strangers, why in the world would she?
/r/PurplePillDebate02/11/23 08:57 AM
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I know, but that sure is a hard sell. “I don’t like people or socializing but I’d like sex and a woman to keep my home and take care of me, you in?” That’s a hard no for most women. And I despise pick up precisely because it’s men play-acting as someone they are certainly not, it’s annoying and deceptive. But someone doesn’t have to be an extrovert to practice a little pleasant small talk. It’s practice for treating others like human beings instead of a means to an end.
/r/PurplePillDebate02/11/23 08:54 AM
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Men do this because even in the most progressive societies women My experience differs, but I agree a concurrent thread shows women prefer for men to make the first move, which sounds as though women cling to traditional roles. But did you read that thread? One female poster reminds men how often men admit they are attracted to more women and will settle for almost any woman? There is no denying men’s threshold for sexual contact is far lower. Those women have a real concern about being used for…
/r/PurplePillDebate02/11/23 08:49 AM
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There is a difference, main one being women aren’t seen as a threat or a nuisance. But men do it easily, too, when they are simply relaxed and friendly instead of exclusively pursuing women they find physically attractive. But anyone who actually likes people can learn to relax, say something pleasant and keep moving. People appreciate passing friendliness. Lingering expectation not so much.
/r/PurplePillDebate02/11/23 08:28 AM
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The spaces where alcohol is served are where socializing is expected. No one has to drink, every bar offers seltzer water with fruit or virgin drinks. Ask for a Coke in an old fashioned glass, bartenders know what that means.
/r/PurplePillDebate02/11/23 02:27 AM
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Do it everywhere, and practice a relaxed grin. Make pleasant noises at shoppers and workers and passersby. Compliments-on-the-fly are great practice. Make brief eye contact as you pass someone and say “Great shirt!” Or on a beautiful day grin and say “This weather’s the pits”, or on a gloomy day say “This is napping weather” or “Ima go find some puddles to jump in”. But don’t stick around and wait for a reaction or try to wrangle a conversation out of it. Make a pleasant or corny comment and kee…
/r/PurplePillDebate02/11/23 02:23 AM
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Big misconception here that one’s social circle is also their dating pool. It happens occasionally, but generally a group of friends is who you hang out in social spaces with, to facilitate talking to others. One or two friends is enough to go out to social venues with. Strangers are more receptive to small talk if the other person has their own friends, too, because they can tell he or she isn’t going to latch on and overstay their welcome. I’m not in my city much this year but I keep up with o…
/r/PurplePillDebate02/11/23 01:19 AM
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Yeah I’ve moved four times with work, two times with school and travel to… 8? Large cities and have friends in all those spaces. People don’t even have to like you that much to have an excuse to go do something fun. “Hey, I’m stuck here for two weeks, I’ll buy you a drink/sandwich/pay for bowling/golf if you’ll take me somewhere fun”. Because they want to go out, too.
/r/PurplePillDebate02/11/23 01:07 AM
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I didn’t assume the previous poster was justifying them, but the comment certainly excused the mentally ill.
/r/PurplePillDebate01/11/23 11:58 PM
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Genesis is not a reliable source.
/r/PurplePillDebate01/11/23 11:55 PM
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All three of you share a common African ancestor, so…
/r/PurplePillDebate01/11/23 11:48 PM
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A lack of formal education is not a flex.
/r/PurplePillDebate01/11/23 11:32 PM
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The Atlanta shooter had been paying for sex, he still murdered 8 women. Robert Card had an ex wife, he massacred 18 and injured 13.
/r/PurplePillDebate01/11/23 10:21 PM
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I don’t believe the shooter’s mental state in any way comforts the victims or victims’ families. Besides, a man obtaining weapons and ammunition is entirely responsible for his premeditated actions.
/r/PurplePillDebate01/11/23 10:20 PM
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much universal human desire for romantic intimacy to Precisely one comment back you pretended to claim that men are simply seeking human contact, now you admit it’s romance and/or sex they seek, specifically from women. Otherwise small talk with any man, elder, or child should suffice. If men simply wanted “human contact”, he’d make friends, wouldn’t he. Go to social venues. Host and attend social events. It’s the shameless disingenuousness of these conversations and the phony pretense of “just …
/r/PurplePillDebate01/11/23 10:13 PM
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No one is lesser, but we aren’t talking about simple small talk with friendly strangers, so I’d prefer a good faith argument. A man’s desire to wet his dick is not more important than whatever a women is doing, even if she’s simply running errands or walking the dogs. If a man doesn’t care if she is interested and isn’t concerned with her level of comfort, why does she owe him courtesy he can’t be bothered to summon for her?
/r/PurplePillDebate01/11/23 09:54 PM
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I doubt very much men are confessing they freaked out and cussed or spit on women who rejected them. That’s why men insist on approaching with no witnesses around, so they can get away with horrid behavior with no repercussions. Also the reason women have been getting out their phones for the past few years. When men stop reacting aggressively and violently to rejection, there won’t be any more videos of meltdowns or women scrambling to escape unwanted solicitations. Men who approach in social v…
/r/PurplePillDebate01/11/23 09:40 PM
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How often have you had to reject men? Keep using crazies as an example, All strangers who want something others don’t want to give are potential “crazies”. The very fact that men encourage one another to approach when no one else is around is evidence they are untrustworthy.
/r/PurplePillDebate01/11/23 09:32 PM
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I’ve seen women get shoved and spit on. I watched a man screeched at a fifteen year old girl as she was escorted to her car by Target security. I’ve been shoved into my truck and had to go to the police station to file a report so my bruises could be photographed, and I didn’t even hear what the man was saying before he attacked because I was running in headphones. TikTok and Facebook are filled with videos of men freaking the fuck out and screeching when rejected. I don’t know what men get out …
/r/PurplePillDebate01/11/23 09:18 PM
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The normalization of joking about sexual abuse of boys by “hot teachers” comes from men, not women. Feel free to visit any thread in AskMen or AskReddit about sex with authority figures and fully half will be cracking jokes or expressing envy. It is disgusting, but making light of sexual abuse of boys isn’t something women do.
/r/PurplePillDebate01/11/23 09:15 PM
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They shouldn’t. But as long as men laugh it off and pat their sons on the back for “getting a real education” or whatever, it isn’t going to change. All abuse by authority figures is equally horrendous, even when teenaged boys and their dads and uncles laugh it off. This is one of those issues MRAs could be focusing on changing.
/r/PurplePillDebate01/11/23 09:09 PM
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People still meet in their social spheres and go out with friend to social spaces, that never changed. The only people who are being “left out” are loners who believe strangers owe them an audience regardless of the setting. And they learned this behavior from manosphere grifters and self-styled pick up artists who post fake “field reports” for gullible men.
/r/PurplePillDebate01/11/23 08:42 PM
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The men in this sub lean conservative to rabidly far right. Most don’t want anything to do with women who ignore old fashioned rules of behavior. But those men do want women to play along with the game and facilitate picking them up. So being direct as a woman: bad. Playing along and pretending to be flattered by unsolicited pick up attempts: good. But that phony scenario isn’t how women who ask men out behave. Women don’t follow strange men all over stores or chase them out to parking lots begg…
/r/PurplePillDebate01/11/23 08:39 PM
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The current “paradigm” is the result of subscription to manosphere grifters.
/r/PurplePillDebate01/11/23 08:22 PM
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Did you write all that for me? Who believes that women can and should benefit by making the first move? And I said as much in this thread.
/r/PurplePillDebate01/11/23 07:59 PM
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I expect people to recognize the difference between social and non social venues, to utilize their social sphere to facilitate meeting new people, to recognize the difference between interest and a lack thereof, for people to understand the importance of social proof, and most of all, to not make up asinine reasons to obligate a woman’s attention. Like the rest of us do.
/r/PurplePillDebate01/11/23 07:48 PM
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Why should women be searching for long term partners?
/r/PurplePillDebate01/11/23 07:37 PM
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Desperate.
/r/PurplePillDebate01/11/23 07:06 PM
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Agree for the most part, but women don’t “hunt”, they vet.
/r/PurplePillDebate01/11/23 07:05 PM
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I’m for it.
/r/PurplePillDebate01/11/23 07:04 PM
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Right. So what’s the ratio of sex abuse per gender? Do male teachers or female teachers offend at a higher rate?
/r/PurplePillDebate01/11/23 07:02 PM
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I didn’t say they were dangerous predators, did I? I said that pretending to be someone else in order to gain a woman’s affection and trust is predatory. Do men like it when women pretend to be someone they are not? Maybe they don’t mind, but I have it on good authority that men don’t like women who lie or omit their past sexual experiences. But if men believe it’s okay to pretend to be someone else in order to lock down a relationship, then it’s okay for women to misrepresent themselves, too.
/r/PurplePillDebate01/11/23 06:14 PM
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How many male teachers abuse their students, and what’s the ratio of male to female teachers? Just askin’
/r/PurplePillDebate01/11/23 06:00 PM
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I don’t mind showing a lame man how to use the Google, but I sure af won’t be giving him my number.
/r/PurplePillDebate01/11/23 05:57 PM
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This is why it’s important to cultivate and maintain a social sphere, so a man has friends to go to social venues and do social things with. A lone man is a wildcard, no accountability for his behavior to anyone. Most women spend their lives in service of some or many family members. Child care, elder care, husband care. Unless a woman is also a loner and introvert, a lone man with no friends is going to use her up. He will expect her to serve as his sole support, sole source of companionship an…
/r/PurplePillDebate01/11/23 05:56 PM
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One summer I took a cool Linguistics course and the professor was writing a book about how slang shapes our beliefs and perceptions. We all ran social experiments for her book in a collaboration with the sociology lab. It was eye opening. The way men use “shoot your shot” so casually belies the entitlement that phrase implies. There was no evolution between “talking to girls” and “women ought to hold still and allow men to proposition them because it takes guts to approach”. Men genuinely believ…
/r/PurplePillDebate01/11/23 05:43 PM
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A man incapable of utilizing a map app on his phone lacks the competence to date.
/r/PurplePillDebate01/11/23 05:14 PM
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I’m completely unconcerned with the comfort of a man behind a keyboard who justifies making people uncomfortable in person because he appears to believe men have a natural right to hassle and corner disinterested women.
/r/PurplePillDebate01/11/23 04:55 PM
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Belted polos with pleated khakis are not associated with masculinity.
/r/PurplePillDebate01/11/23 04:42 PM
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Far right conservatives are not athletic, they are indoor computer science majors and accountants who glean their political ideologies from Facebook memes.
/r/PurplePillDebate01/11/23 04:41 PM
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Masculine men with the ability to think critically are not hard to find, and conservative men with far right beliefs are easy to spot and avoid. They have a look.
/r/PurplePillDebate01/11/23 04:39 PM
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Making people uncomfortable is fine. No it isn’t.
/r/PurplePillDebate01/11/23 03:40 PM
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