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JamesCruse/r/PurplePillDebate11/07/26 11:43 AM
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We all know why 👎😂
/r/PurplePillDebate04/08/26 05:22 AM
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Lol I'll just keep destroying your ego advice that you're desperately trying to get people to listen to until you're banned
/r/PurplePillDebate04/08/26 04:14 AM
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Thank you for agreeing you don't give advicr and you don't know that opinions and advic3 using opinions are the same😂
/r/PurplePillDebate04/08/26 04:13 AM
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Aww poor diddums is hurt nobody wants to take his seduction coaching advice😂
/r/PurplePillDebate04/08/26 04:05 AM
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Lol keep it up - I'll keep coming for ya. Making sure literally none of your ego is sated here lol
/r/PurplePillDebate04/08/26 04:04 AM
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Lol how is saying your country of birth doxing?
/r/PurplePillDebate04/08/26 04:03 AM
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You: gobbldegook Me: ahh you proved my point about nobody caring about your opinions 🤣
/r/PurplePillDebate04/08/26 04:01 AM
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Ahah you're scared to say where you were born, why? Maybe its all fake, of course.
/r/PurplePillDebate04/08/26 03:59 AM
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You: Giving my opinion of what to do is different to advice bro. Trust me bro please bro Me: so you'rr trying to give advice ans opinions when you don't respect your own opinions lol Dunked
/r/PurplePillDebate04/08/26 03:58 AM
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All the things you try to tell guys - they're so out of date and not respected too (you don't even take your own opinion seriously)
/r/PurplePillDebate04/08/26 03:55 AM
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Your non-opinion that you yourself don't even respect and tell people not to listen to😆
/r/PurplePillDebate04/08/26 03:53 AM
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😆you won't even say the company you work for. Or what countr you were even born (which you would think is easy). Nobody believes you dude.
/r/PurplePillDebate04/08/26 03:52 AM
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Mate its gobbledegook in those sentences as usual 😆 Makes sense coming from you
/r/PurplePillDebate04/08/26 02:41 AM
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Lol sure mate, nice proof of nothing
/r/PurplePillDebate04/08/26 02:41 AM
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Yeah, just checking all your terrible advice and laughing. Mate, surely you don't think your own seduction coaching is good? 😆
/r/PurplePillDebate04/08/26 02:40 AM
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😆 you tell us mate, look at you trying to insert yourself giving advice daily. When you think your own opinion is garbage 👎
/r/PurplePillDebate04/08/26 02:38 AM
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Let her pay for a good amount of her side. Don't listen to this lonely simp Lift & Lurk, he has no idea about women.
/r/PurplePillDebate04/08/26 01:38 AM
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Lol weird views and talking yourself around in circles incoherently again? 😆 Make a coherent sentence and cite sources. You said your own opinion is worthless.
/r/PurplePillDebate04/08/26 01:36 AM
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Thats so weird and you're almost 50 and don't have kids with this opinion.
/r/PurplePillDebate04/08/26 01:35 AM
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Lol based on what sources? "Trust me bro" anecdotes? Dude what? Lol
/r/PurplePillDebate04/08/26 01:34 AM
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Dude, lift and lurk doesn't really know anything about this. He admits he doesn't and thinks his own opinion is irrelevant. He's just doing this to have fun with people to see what they do.
/r/PurplePillDebate04/08/26 01:30 AM
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No, you do mate😂
/r/PurplePillDebate04/08/26 01:28 AM
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You really try to get your ego pumped and everyone else keeps getting in your way ahaha
/r/PurplePillDebate03/08/26 04:22 PM
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Keep tryin to pump your ego bro - seems like you're failing 😢😂
/r/PurplePillDebate03/08/26 04:18 PM
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Ah so you're lying about all of this. Of course, lying about everything. Standard act from you.
/r/PurplePillDebate03/08/26 04:13 PM
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I don't think you're telling the truth. Why won't you say where you were born or what company - what product does it make? Like what are you worried about? I thought you tell the truth and your opinions don't matter and you care and its not about ego?
/r/PurplePillDebate03/08/26 04:08 PM
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Yeah, you're done there
/r/PurplePillDebate03/08/26 04:04 PM
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It's all ego for you - to try to act like an authority to pump your ego. But you admit your opinion is nothing 🤣 Its so weird and sad
/r/PurplePillDebate03/08/26 04:03 PM
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Brooklyn and what company sells Saas as hardware in Brooklyn? What country were you born in?
/r/PurplePillDebate03/08/26 04:02 PM
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Say the town/city for us.
/r/PurplePillDebate03/08/26 03:58 PM
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You need this sub to have meaning in your sad life and be an authority. But you also say your opinions don't matter (which we all agree with). There's literally no other reason you're here and its saaaaaad😂
/r/PurplePillDebate03/08/26 03:56 PM
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Haha ok man, your opinion is irrelevant here (your words). Stop trying to be an authority - its already been debunked.
/r/PurplePillDebate03/08/26 03:54 PM
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Lol I'm doing this to remind everyone.. You really care about these guys thinking of you as an authority, its so sad😂
/r/PurplePillDebate03/08/26 03:52 PM
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Ok, In what country?
/r/PurplePillDebate03/08/26 03:49 PM
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You've been correct all along - your opinion is irrelevant, you point out things you think you saw is an opinion and irrelevant (as you said) Keep giving irrelevant opinions man.😆
/r/PurplePillDebate03/08/26 03:46 PM
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Haha go on and tell us your job then mate. You won't repeat it
/r/PurplePillDebate03/08/26 03:45 PM
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Right so you didn't know that about women - debunks everything you said mate. Stop, you're not experienced in these matters.
/r/PurplePillDebate03/08/26 03:43 PM
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Lift and Lurk has no idea what he's talking about, I know because he wants every guy to fail.
/r/PurplePillDebate03/08/26 03:39 PM
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Lol your opinion doesn't matter - as you said. You really want to give people advice and be an authority ahahah 😂 Now I get your game of trolling haha
/r/PurplePillDebate03/08/26 03:38 PM
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Haha you'rr poor - you already told me. You barely work and you're on here constantly.
/r/PurplePillDebate03/08/26 03:37 PM
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Yeah lol all studies say women are unhappiest now more than ever. You wouldn't know this because it wasn't in a YouTube video 😆👏 Mate, I'm going to dog you around constantly. Look at you acting like you're an authority on dating ahahah are you a dating coach bro? Your opinion doesn't matter, remember?
/r/PurplePillDebate03/08/26 03:36 PM
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Look at this dating authority trying to give advice. Are you a datin coach now mate?
/r/PurplePillDebate03/08/26 03:29 PM
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Women say that in large scale? Where? No women have more anxiety than ever in history, according to studies. Did you just pull that out of your ass? Lol😂
/r/PurplePillDebate03/08/26 03:25 PM
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Thats mostly you speaking for yourself because you're not doing well financially - just say that.
/r/PurplePillDebate03/08/26 03:24 PM
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What negative stuff about being a female isn't greatly compensated though? Compensated far more than the weakness itself?
/r/PurplePillDebate03/08/26 12:45 PM
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But if women don't approach any of the high value, not average and/or good looking men either (or rarely do) - then that's disproven your own point there mate.
/r/PurplePillDebate03/08/26 05:59 AM
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I think all men, need to be conscious of being VERY picky about giving attention to any women, and certainly valuing his own attention by only giving it to her when and if she works hard for his attention. I think if all men did this, we wouldn't be in this mess with women in dating.
/r/PurplePillDebate03/08/26 05:47 AM
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I think there is more Chicken & Egg here. Men who give away their attention daily, without her making any effort/working for it or you yourself believing your attention is valuable - will make you a less attractive male, no matter how physically good looking you are. You dismissed this in your comment as; "Well who cares about unattractive men just giving away their attention to women, it doesn't matter & won't make a difference" it does make a difference to every man on how much they value thei…
/r/PurplePillDebate03/08/26 05:45 AM
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Yeah I don't think most of the guys involved in Red Pill have read Rollo or care to read them - they don't need to for accurate and considered female psychology of women and their behaviour. We can all make our own observations. Most of what Rollo talked about was actually just summarised from SoSuave forum and the observations guys made there, with some Evo Psych added in, which makes sense. Most other guys in Red Pill are essentially just wanting to discuss and discover accurate female psychol…
/r/PurplePillDebate03/08/26 03:04 AM
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Lol most people use others ideas to write books - so what? I don't follow Rollo so I don't care. So you didn't answer - how is Evo Psych and all of these Ph. D Professors (including Dr. David Buss) and Ivy League universities all wrong about Evo Psych?
/r/PurplePillDebate03/08/26 02:48 AM
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I don't care that Rollo used David Buss as a source, nobody does - not even David himself. So he used Dr. David Buss - is Dr. David Buss' theories incorrect? What about the current Harvard Evo Pay psychologist? Are they all debunked? Like I said above (and you got heavily downvoted for) - all of this is about female psychology and behaviour, mostly related to dating and relationships. Are those professors all wrong? And the universities for funding it? And all those books they write are all wron…
/r/PurplePillDebate03/08/26 02:13 AM
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So Evolutionary Psychology have well researched and well staffed departments at some of the biggest Universities in the USA and Australia, like Harvard, University of Texas, University of Melbourne (to name a few) and get grants, funding from the Unis themselves and participate in ongoing studies. Are you saying they're all lying, wasting their money and not real? Much of modern psychology used today and Freud debunked due to Evolutionary Psychology. Where are actual academic sources that make E…
/r/PurplePillDebate03/08/26 01:48 AM
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So you think everyone is a blank slate and believe in the idea of a noble savage? How did Rollo plagiarise his first book and which book?
/r/PurplePillDebate03/08/26 01:42 AM
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So you read Mystery and think thats it? In my experience - no need for comfort. You get that from relaxed body language and/or pre-selection/social proof. What even is attraction? Mystery's definition of Attraction is very broad. Logistics? You can have sex in a private place from wherever you are. Guys keep talking about logistics - thats basic. So many other things are more important then most or all of this. Are you escalating physically? Is she agreeable? Is she emotional about you?
/r/seduction02/08/26 03:57 PM
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Thats great mate, I don't ever see that. And I know some really good looking, tall wealthy muscular Indian men and they don't do well outside women from Asia. If they do, they're not young and good looking or western - as you found out. Perhaps just go for Eastern Europeans then, target them and see how that goes but I think it'll be the same. A lot of Russians and Ukrainians are desperate because they're in war, so not much money around.
/r/seduction02/08/26 12:06 PM
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You don't agree based on what? That you can date a much older single Russian woman - until a Russian man or any other guy comes along and she's off. Mate, I've seen this so many times in real life - it's rare enough that western women go outside their race, but even rarer for certain part of the world. Look at all the posts of South Asian guys in this forum over the years all failing with western women and asking how they can do it and never get success. Sorry mate, western womens nice friendly …
/r/seduction02/08/26 11:49 AM
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What does that even mean? Just go for South Asian, South-East Asian or anywhere in that region - makes it a lot easier on yourself. I think foreign men get this idea that western women are "easier" or easier to deal with because they're more chatty, social or just more open and outgoing or extraverted. The problem is all of that doesn't translate to: open (to dating) or easy (to date) or easy (to seduce) - just because they're open socially or in other ways, it doesn't mean they're open to datin…
/r/seduction02/08/26 11:34 AM
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Have you tried approaching women from other South Asian countries, or even Southeast Asian women? Or are they all "bad" too? It sounds like you're making it really difficult for yourself because ethnically European women rarely date outside their ethnicity, and when they do, other ethnicities are at the top of that list (Latin, mixed, african). Why try to make it harder on yourself?
/r/seduction02/08/26 11:16 AM
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What country are you actually based in and what type of women are you trying to appeal to? What works in Western countries with white guys is different for black guys or south Asians. Are you approaching other South Asian women? You might want to start there.
/r/seduction31/07/26 07:32 AM
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Alot of guys are scared of rejection - but women want to see you be rejected and be ok with it and be unaffected by it. I think this is the main reason women reject men, the other being she's just scared (of everything, not you particularly).
/r/seduction29/07/26 03:56 PM
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The best way to be un-rejected (in my experience) is surprisingly counter-intuitive: Being absolutely un-affected by the rejection. Total calm and just moving on like it didn't matter. I've had women that I've been rejected by I just kept going like it was nothing. Then they see me again and they're very interested in me, coming over to talk to me or at least being near me, following me around, trying to get my attention. This has happened during the day, bars, clubs. This is why I think a lot o…
/r/seduction29/07/26 10:37 AM
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You want a logical step-by-step play to take to eliminate risk while being "analytical" (read: logical like every other male in the world) so you can avoid as many mistakes and rejection as possible. You have to take risks, be unpredictable and bold and escalate, you won't always know the right time to escalate. If the escalation fails, you just go back 2 steps and do some other form of escalation. As another commenter said, you want a "One Unified Theory", which every (logical) male wants, it's…
/r/seduction29/07/26 06:56 AM
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I think you mistook my whole comment as all related to estrogen - it was only the first part of the comment and about estrogen influencing Consensus behaviour in men and women and high testosterone driving non-consensus behaviour (in men and women) - according to a recent study. Womens risk-aversion (and subsequent passivity) is driven by their emotions being stronger and them being more sensitive to those emotions - therefore the emotional negativity (pain for women) is a deterrant from alot of…
/r/PurplePillDebate27/07/26 02:23 PM
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So you think. But apparently the truth isn't in those videos you lied about being evidence.
/r/PurplePillDebate27/07/26 12:25 PM
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They are biologically made that way (estrogen) - a study was done on this, released recently: The reason women are far more risk-averse (and passive, same thing) is the emotions women feel from negative consequences are far greater to women (than men) - and they therefore take less risks to AVOID these negative emotions. Men take more risks because we have testosterone and more testosterone = More motivation and less likely to follow the consensus + Mens take more risks because men don't feel em…
/r/PurplePillDebate27/07/26 10:33 AM
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Lol you're denying the truth brother - you're too scared (or lazy) to even timestamp where the receipts are in these videos, let alone write it here directly. Keep going, it's been dozens of messages with your fake sources with nothing said or referenced and you're getting downvoted to hell. Every post and comment - we can all return to this trolling you did here to show everyone how much of a joke you are and everything you say is fake. Lol Keep repeating yourself and saying nothing lol.
/r/PurplePillDebate27/07/26 04:53 AM
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Ok, post the video timestamps of these receipts then Lol you won't because they don't exist. You're getting downvoted to hell mate. Yeah, you're BracedFacedJim and are Irish. Feel free to tell us who you are and where you're from to disprove it. You talk the same, say the same things about the same topics with the same strategy.
/r/PurplePillDebate27/07/26 03:48 AM
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Lol changing sources now? So none of the receipts you gave before are actually receipts? You spent dozens of messages saying they were and you couldn't post how and write how or even post timestamps of where the receipts even are - do you even know? Lol what a troll joker clown - look how much all your messages are getting downvoted. Just add th timestamps or admit you have nothing.
/r/PurplePillDebate27/07/26 03:22 AM
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Lol you didn't watch it mate. There's no proof of anything in there and you can't even point to anything yourself. Write what the receipts are and/or add the timestamps. Otherwise this is all fake and nothing lol.
/r/PurplePillDebate27/07/26 03:11 AM
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I listened to both those videos mate, no receipts. Nobody here are seeing the receipts mate - just write them here. You can even put additional timestamps here with the quotes.
/r/PurplePillDebate27/07/26 02:45 AM
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Sure, when you give me one receipt you troll. Your IQ must be so low if you can't pick one sentence. How scared are you? Lol
/r/PurplePillDebate26/07/26 06:01 PM
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BraceFacedJim - scammer, recently divorced and Irish. Hate seduction because you're ugly Go on then, tell me what country you're from and in.
/r/PurplePillDebate26/07/26 05:56 PM
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So your are the Irish guy from Melbourne who got divorced and kicked off Skilledseducer - BraceFacedJim. There was no receipts in any of those videos - no evidence of anything. Why post those fake videos and then not say what the receipts were? You're scamming dude.
/r/PurplePillDebate26/07/26 05:23 PM
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No receipts in this videos I watched mate, they were a fake rabbit hole lol. Did you even watch these videos yourself - I don't think you even did hahaha You are the Irish guy who lives in Melbourne who got banned from SkilledSeducer. Same patterns of trolling and hating because you're not good looking. How sad.
/r/PurplePillDebate26/07/26 04:45 PM
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Its ok, I'll make a post about you with all your fake receipts lol.
/r/PurplePillDebate26/07/26 04:41 PM
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What are the receipts then and the proof? Wait, are you an Irish guy who works in a Melbourne hospital?
/r/PurplePillDebate26/07/26 04:38 PM
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You call those two comedians make a song receipts? Aahaha I think I'll make a post on Purplepill debate with your scamming. Can't wait to get you deleted.
/r/PurplePillDebate26/07/26 04:31 PM
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I just posted the end, I remembered. You sent several videos as definative proof and evidence of receipts - but there are none in those videos that I saw. Sounds like you're doing some scamming yourself lol. Credibility goooooone. You live in Melbourne, right?
/r/PurplePillDebate26/07/26 04:30 PM
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I was responding to your comment made about so suave. So you think all seduction doesn't work?
/r/PurplePillDebate26/07/26 04:27 PM
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It says "the red pill is gay" repeatedly. Ok, so where were the receipts and truth bombs that we all missed from the videos you shared?
/r/PurplePillDebate26/07/26 04:23 PM
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It says "the red pill is gay" repeatedly. Ok, so where were the receipts and truth bombs that we all missed from the videos you shared?
/r/PurplePillDebate26/07/26 04:20 PM
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Your own comment said you saw LR's on SoSuave but they were lies and Ai (all of them). I just want to know which ones you were looking at to say they were fake. I just don't believe you were actually reading and you just said that to show you know about this but you don't. Prove you read one Lr and link the one you said looked like fake ai. Secondly, Do you think all seduction is fake?
/r/PurplePillDebate26/07/26 04:18 PM
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I can't remember man. Where are the receipts and what are they? I genuinely missed them
/r/PurplePillDebate26/07/26 04:15 PM
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859k views Now can you actually post the receipts and truth bombs now? I missed them apparently - I didn't see or hear any.
/r/PurplePillDebate26/07/26 03:34 PM
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You brought up sosuave posts and said that you read them and how they're fake and ai - your claim. I just want to see the ones that you said look like fake ai on Sosuave - because I think you'rr lying about reading anything.
/r/PurplePillDebate26/07/26 03:33 PM
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So you were lying about the Lay Reports on sosuave being fake then? You just said that to look better and you lied about ever reading any of those reports?
/r/PurplePillDebate26/07/26 03:04 PM
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I watched all the videos you linked and I couldn't see any receipts. What am I missing here mate?
/r/PurplePillDebate26/07/26 03:02 PM
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Lol which ones specifically were Ai garbage on Sosuave though - according to you? You read Sosuave and commented on it mate, so you must think it has some merit. So you think all LR's are lies - even before AI?
/r/PurplePillDebate26/07/26 02:43 PM
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It's late night here in Australia. Not sure why you wrote all of that nothing and not answered the question of why you're so triggered by womens own studied thinkin g and behaviour patterns?
/r/PurplePillDebate26/07/26 02:41 PM
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No receipts were in that video that I could see man. Post what you think are receipts here man, maybe I missed them because not revealed to me.
/r/PurplePillDebate26/07/26 02:40 PM
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Lol which ones specifically were Ai garbage though - according to you? So you think all LR's are lies - even before AI?
/r/PurplePillDebate26/07/26 02:37 PM
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I couldn't find any receipts there mate. Seriously, none. Post what you think are receipts and I'll read them.
/r/PurplePillDebate26/07/26 02:28 PM
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Nothing was in that video. Post the sentences here that you said have receipts mate, I couldn't find any.
/r/PurplePillDebate26/07/26 02:27 PM
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You are really triggered by womens psychology - I just want to know why.
/r/PurplePillDebate26/07/26 02:26 PM
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I clicked it and it said nothing. You'll have to post what it said mate.
/r/PurplePillDebate26/07/26 02:25 PM
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So you just said the LR's on sosuave don't exist - the ones you said are AI garbage. But sosuave and the lay reports are all still there. So which ones did you read thst are fake and ai - link them.
/r/PurplePillDebate26/07/26 02:24 PM
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Just post the sentences for everyone to see - nobody is going to watch a silly video - so nobody will see the truth you'rr spreading.
/r/PurplePillDebate26/07/26 02:23 PM
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Lol post the receipts in writing here mate - no receipts have been posted as far as Anyone can see.
/r/PurplePillDebate26/07/26 02:22 PM
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On sosuave? Are you saying it doesn't exist?
/r/PurplePillDebate26/07/26 02:21 PM
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Why is women being mostly passive and risk averse, as proven by science, so objectionable to you?
/r/PurplePillDebate26/07/26 02:20 PM
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Post what they said here mate, do you not know how to copy + paste?
/r/PurplePillDebate26/07/26 02:19 PM
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Post the sentences here mate - can you not copy and paste anything here? Lol
/r/PurplePillDebate26/07/26 02:17 PM
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Lol and still no content or messages or any content. Are you based in Australia?
/r/PurplePillDebate26/07/26 02:17 PM
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So you can't link any reports that you yourself referred to as looking like fake ai?
/r/PurplePillDebate26/07/26 02:15 PM
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I love that he says he drops truth bombs but there's literally no information of statements or anything in his comments - they're empty
/r/PurplePillDebate26/07/26 02:12 PM
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Npc bot repeating with zero content lol. How boring and low info you are.
/r/PurplePillDebate26/07/26 02:10 PM
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Lol point out one piece of reality in a sentence and I'll agree with you. Still haven't done it in the hundred messages lol.
/r/PurplePillDebate26/07/26 02:08 PM
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Lol you haven't said any content - you can't say any truth without content Actually write something about Red Pill and maybe I'll agree and maybe it is truth but you haven't said anything about it.
/r/PurplePillDebate26/07/26 02:02 PM
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Oh that's a scientific fact - you debating it is making shit up and it's very funny. I'm not sure why you or some of these other women in the forum can't accept it, what's so wrong that it's true?
/r/PurplePillDebate26/07/26 02:00 PM
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Lol everyone thinks you're a joke mate and just argue for the sake of disagreeing and have nothing to support any points you make and can't even defend any of your own opinions - much less explain others. I don't think you can read - so you keep referring to videos, rather than writing a single sentence down.
/r/PurplePillDebate26/07/26 01:59 PM
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It it doesn't - so you can't even comment on your own personal opinions that you commented here? Lol shows how much you know - nothing.
/r/PurplePillDebate26/07/26 01:52 PM
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Lol how are they struggling and not trying? You can't even answer questions about your OWN opinions lol.
/r/PurplePillDebate26/07/26 01:50 PM
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What is it then?
/r/PurplePillDebate26/07/26 01:49 PM
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Lol thats not what I implied at all. DEI has placed a lot or most (not all) women into positions they aren't the best qualified or for even unqualified for - instead of a male. Prior to DEI, women got jobs if they were the best for the job - I remember, I was there. I hired a woman for job because she was the best for it (before DEI), and had no issue with it. I also hired men in other roles because they were the best merit (and usually are) - because I care about results and performance so the …
/r/PurplePillDebate26/07/26 12:17 PM
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It's rarely this. I've been involved in hiring - there will be 10 people who are qualified and 2-3 will be the best experienced or highest qualified and most suitable and they'll all be male. But they'll need to reach outside the 10 qualified to find a woman to offer the role to or if they're lucky - a woman will be 9-10 on their list and will be just scraping by on qualifications, but certainly nowhere near the best of most experienced. It usually goes this way. Now you answer my questions plea…
/r/PurplePillDebate26/07/26 12:12 PM
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No it wasn't - I have never been hired by a family member and never seen a business that only hires family members and don't know a single person who has been hired this way or heard of it in any business I've known or had dealings with. Lol this is laughable and a fantasy - do you really think there's enough roles to fill with only peoples direct family or friends?. It's an absolutely insane claim and isn't even possible and we can observably see this doesn't happen, even when there's no DEI po…
/r/PurplePillDebate26/07/26 12:08 PM
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Lol no every DEI appointment was never a white male and was either unqualified or undrr-qualified and other people had significantly more merit. I'm not sure where you work - but good ol boys club? Is this the 1940's? Almost every woman I've seen get a job or keep her job was due to DEI (except in direct result based roles where people can see their results - women rarely get or keep these roles because their numbers are so much worse than the mens, mostly). The Trump trend? Trump removed forced…
/r/PurplePillDebate26/07/26 12:04 PM
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I already did - now you answer my questions.
/r/PurplePillDebate26/07/26 11:57 AM
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How so, based on my comments and solutions above? You think only hiring based on merit and the best qualified = Male DEI?
/r/PurplePillDebate26/07/26 11:56 AM
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So I take it you indirectly admit all feminism is aimed to remove resources from men and redirect them to women And additionally at the same time - Remove as many responsibilities/accountability from women and give it to men And I'm glad you indirectly admitted that by ranting and not giving a single thing feminism has done or wants to do that didn't serve these two destructive and nasty purposes. And saying women are better leaders? Lol based on what evidence - please cite it here because that'…
/r/PurplePillDebate26/07/26 11:53 AM
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No merit based hiring that existed before DEI already did this - hired based on the highest merit and best qualified. Do you think if DEI became illegal and every company had to show how they hired the best qualified/highest merit (the logical pragmatic system men created) - that women would be hired as a majority in the entire private workforce and government workforce?
/r/PurplePillDebate26/07/26 11:50 AM
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Every DEI appointment I've ever seen is unqualified or underqualified and not the highest merit for the role. There would be no need for forced DEI and excluding hiring people if they would simply get the role on highest merit. Can you should evidence than most or all DEI are qualified and also the highest merit for the role? (Of course not). We can see this now when companies roll back DEI, they overwhelming fire women aswell. Could you answer this: Are you saying men created DEI as part of the…
/r/PurplePillDebate26/07/26 11:47 AM
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Read my comment and can you answer the question - or do you always answer questions with a question. If you don't have an answer - just say women want revenge on men and are stealing via forced DEI for unqualified or under-qualified women to take roles to enact this revenge.
/r/PurplePillDebate26/07/26 11:39 AM
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Can you answer any question in my comments that women just voted themselves to take more money with DEI and government roles - despite being unqualified or under-qualified? Or do you admit women did this and it's a positive thing because (it sounds like you'rr saying) - women inflicting revenge on men by stealing from them (indirectly via roles they don't merit)?
/r/PurplePillDebate26/07/26 11:37 AM
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So you ranted and went off topic and didn't give one example of: Could you point out anything that feminism has done in the past or aims to do in future; that doesn't aim to remove resources (of any kind) from males - and re-direct those resources towards women OR doesn't remove responsibilities/duties/accountability from women and adds them to men? There is nothing that feminists have done or aim to do in future that doesn't adhere to the above - which directly harms men and society and nations…
/r/PurplePillDebate26/07/26 11:33 AM
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So you think DEI and discriminatory hiring against men doesn't mean people are unqualified or under-qualified for the roles they're hired for? How is DEI capitalist and a system that men created? Why would women need DEI to get most of their work if they're the best qualified? Any private company that drops DEI - very few, if any, women are hired after this. And every company or government that primarily hires via DEI is overwhelming hiring women.
/r/PurplePillDebate26/07/26 11:29 AM
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How is forced DEI hiring capitalist when unqualified people are hired and not the highest merited and qualified? Nothing about that is capitalist - it's Marxist/communist/socialist.
/r/PurplePillDebate26/07/26 11:24 AM
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Do you think the enormous number of women overwhelming working in publicly funded government roles - who are there due to DEI and are wholly unqualified - isn't handouts? Women keep voting for more and larger government - men don't. So how is none of this handouts? It's essentially female voters voting to give more of mens money to themselves (in various forms).
/r/PurplePillDebate26/07/26 11:22 AM
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I know the solution: Remove DEI hiring and any discrimination in hiring men - only hire on merit and the highest qualified. (This is beginning to happen now but it's very slow). Shrink government employees 50% and make it more efficient and remove a lot of inefficient or redundant roles. (This will remove a lot of women from public jobs because this is where most women work). Any feminism or laws or government policies that re-direct resources away from men to women would be removed. Any laws or…
/r/PurplePillDebate26/07/26 11:20 AM
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Do you think those "norms" were redressed with DEI - based on merit or were they based on forcing private companies and government hiring to hire unqualified women into positions for the sake of diversity a good thing and benefitting productivity, the economy, culture and the economy? I think there's a huge difference in women being forced into jobs in private companies and government discrimation in hiring men - to being a better and more productive economy, which we're not seeing with DEI.
/r/PurplePillDebate26/07/26 11:11 AM
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Can you answer anything in my comment though?
/r/PurplePillDebate26/07/26 11:08 AM
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So you admit women are growing the government for roles given mostly to women who are unqualified for those roles - and using funding from males tax payers in the private sector to fund those female centric government roles - to the negative of the country itself? Or do you think a larger government with more government jobs is better for the country and the economy?
/r/PurplePillDebate26/07/26 11:06 AM
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He does claim this, but I doubt it. If he does and he's telling the truth - then I think he's threatened by men learning female psychology and seduction because it's potentially threatening to his marriage - with another man seducing her.
/r/PurplePillDebate26/07/26 10:58 AM
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Could you point out anything that feminism has done in the past or aims to do in future; that doesn't aim to remove resources (of any kind) from males - and re-direct those resources towards women OR doesn't remove responsibilities/duties/accountability from women and adds them to men? I would think thats deliberately against men and causing issues.
/r/PurplePillDebate26/07/26 10:49 AM
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Men built a system. What system would you build or would a majority of women build, if you were to guess and how would it be better? Do you think western males WANTED DEI to be part of this system and for men to be discriminated out of jobs in this system? Do you think it was designed to allow people without merit to be placed into jobs they're unqualified to do based on their gender, race or disability? Could you give evidence for that? Could you also show how feminism didn't push for DEI and w…
/r/PurplePillDebate26/07/26 10:46 AM
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If women "outcompeted" men - there would be no need for DEI or women-only hiring in jobs that currently exist to this day. Those DEI roles have mostly benefitted women. The examples given above are accurate all around the western world - here in Australia most government employees at every level are overwhelmingly women (through DEI & male exclusion), and most private sector roles (especially high earning) are overwhelmingly men - so men are paying the taxes to fund those government jobs women g…
/r/PurplePillDebate26/07/26 10:37 AM
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Yeah he's an unattractive single older dude that does poorly with women and thinks women only go for men for looks only - so is sour grapes about redpill and the success any men have with redpill and seduction - this is why he argues and trolls in bad faith with bizarre nonsensical arguments.
/r/PurplePillDebate26/07/26 10:20 AM
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Really? Please link to some of these reports - I see some badly written but they don't look like AI. 90% of them aren't like that.
/r/PurplePillDebate26/07/26 10:16 AM
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What Rp circle and where? What shit do they make up - give an example?
/r/PurplePillDebate26/07/26 10:13 AM
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What doesn't work - the knowledge of female psychology in Redpill? What specifically doesn't work and how do you know? Have you met anyone in real life who's red pill? Where and what country? Of course you haven't - you got all of this online.
/r/PurplePillDebate26/07/26 10:11 AM
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Forget Lift & Lurk - he's a contrarian troll who repeats himself and constantly attacks people never has any evidence of anything. You're correct and he'll never answer any questions because he has no answers - he's just here to criticise without any content.
/r/PurplePillDebate26/07/26 10:07 AM
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I've never heard any men saying half or more of that. You're obviously saying this to dismiss everything men say they want, which isn't complicated at all. But you (and many women) want to frame mens standards and boundaries as complicated, illogical, hateful or controlling so you don't need to follow them (then wonder why you or other women are still single). Men sharing knowledge about womens psychology (redpill) is such a threat to women apparently, in addition to men having standards and bou…
/r/PurplePillDebate26/07/26 06:47 AM
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Lol yeah he just disagrees on everything and constantly repeats himself. Surely he should be banned for that.
/r/PurplePillDebate26/07/26 05:24 AM
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I am askin your opinion literally and you seem to be willing to give your opinion anywhere and everywhere about redpill on many threads so I can understand why you wouldn't: Give one red pill claim you think is popular and then give your opinion of why it's wrong. Surely that should be easy to do. If you know nothing about redpill yourself - just say you know nothing about it. And tell us what country you're in and where you're from.
/r/PurplePillDebate26/07/26 05:22 AM
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Just admit women are passive and risk averse in every aspect of their whole life from birth - it's just how women biologically have proven to be. But you seem so against this factual science, for some reason. You can argue against facts, but it's not going to work.
/r/PurplePillDebate26/07/26 05:19 AM
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It's always been this way for women entering th workforce' double the incomes/double the tax, double the workers (per family unit)/lower the salary, double the consumers/prices of products & sales numbers increase, double the careers/double the tertiary education income Governments and large corps have exhausted women as an expanding income/consumer/tax base to lower wages and now are wanting to play the same strategy with 3rd world immigration. It's not really working out too well this time aro…
/r/PurplePillDebate25/07/26 04:51 PM
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I'm asking for your opinion. It seems like you know nothing about the redpill, never read anything by them and can't quote a single line from the redpill that you disagree with and why. You just literally keep repeating yourself like an npc bot. If you don't have an opinion - why do you post your opinions on how bad redpill is in other posts? So you do have opinions that are negative, stop saying you don't. I just want to know one (or more) redpill beliefs and why you think its wrong. Just posti…
/r/PurplePillDebate25/07/26 04:39 PM
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So you're not going to cite a single thing the redpill says that you disagree with and why? So you have no redpill beliefs you disagree with if you can't cite anyting, I take it.
/r/PurplePillDebate25/07/26 04:24 PM
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Ok, so you refuse to read anything. You can't name a single quote from redpill you disagree with and why. Just sounds like you have nothing to say. Just a lot of trolling and no substance.
/r/PurplePillDebate25/07/26 04:15 PM
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So you're post is that other men in less fortunate countries seem to be threats? That's not really a problem with males like us in our own countries though - with real laws and law enforcement. I think even the media, women, men and large businesses are pointing the finger at western women as being more problematic than they've ever been in history. So I'm not sure where you're getting your info from. Can you cite some sources for this?
/r/PurplePillDebate25/07/26 03:57 PM
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The whole sidebar of MarriedRedPill is still here mate - tonnes of sources. You still haven't referred to one single quote from Red Pill that you disagree with and why.
/r/PurplePillDebate25/07/26 03:50 PM
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Have you read r/MarriedRedPill There's plenty of info in there that you can read for yourself - some good and some not so good.
/r/PurplePillDebate25/07/26 03:43 PM
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Red Pill is about Female Psychology and always has been. There was a forum here before that was hugely popular called r/MarriedRedPill - it was literally about men discussing the psychology of women in relation to their wives for the sake of their marriages getting better. People using or misusing redpill knowledge doesn't make it bad inherently. Surely men learning more about the psychology of women is a positive thing, since it's been so understudied and underfunded and difficult to study.
/r/PurplePillDebate25/07/26 03:40 PM
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Or people simply used red pill knowledge to make controversial statements for attention (read: views and money). A bunch of books and forum got mined for knowledge and some was used and a lot wasn't.
/r/PurplePillDebate25/07/26 03:30 PM
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Myron is not a good example - he's an entertainer who uses SOME redpill material to inform some of the things he says. He does more to encourage people to read about redpill than talk about it himself.
/r/PurplePillDebate25/07/26 03:25 PM
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Red Pill didn't start as seduction and self improvement at all. It started as Female Psychology and always has been, it never prescribed seduction or discussed it. People took female psychology and used in dating and more often in relationships and marriages of men. Most of the redpill I saw was for use with married men and their wives, there was a massive forum on reddit called MarriedRedPill. All guys married with children and trying to understand their wives and keep their marriage strong.
/r/PurplePillDebate25/07/26 03:23 PM
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I mean, Red Pill really wasn't even about getting laid or seduction - it was just womens psychology and typical behaviour, more specifically in dating and relationships and socially. People may have applied some of it to dating and seduction, sure, but that's seperate from red pill.
/r/PurplePillDebate25/07/26 03:07 PM
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So you know so much about it that you can't say one sentence that redpill advocates for that you disagree with. You must be very well informed.
/r/PurplePillDebate25/07/26 02:56 PM
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Lol thats not evidence of anything. So you haven't read a redpill book or forum?
/r/PurplePillDebate25/07/26 02:54 PM
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Red pill is book and forums discussing those books and female psychology ideas. So no, nothing was proven here mate. Move on.
/r/PurplePillDebate25/07/26 02:53 PM
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Thats all redpill has been - books about female psychology and forums discussing them and what they've noticed about womens behaviour in different places. Everyone talking about redpill is referring to those books and forums. What have you got against it? You just keep trolling - what does it matter to you that womens psychology is discussed?
/r/PurplePillDebate25/07/26 02:52 PM
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Yeah you're still not providing evidence of anything about redpill mate and just trolling with contentless messages that'll likely be deleted.
/r/PurplePillDebate25/07/26 02:49 PM
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So expose some the female psychology that redpill discusses that you think is wrong. I bet you won't and you'll keep redirecting.
/r/PurplePillDebate25/07/26 02:46 PM
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Lol you keep posting links to videos on a written forum. Why don't you write here what redpill beliefs you think are objectionable and why? Why are you keep redirecting when asked this?
/r/PurplePillDebate25/07/26 02:37 PM
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Have you read any redpill books in full - if so which ones? Tell us what you read in those books about redpill, if you did. Its not a secret if you look outside reddit lol - plenty of info around. Unfortunately reddit deleted a lot of it.
/r/PurplePillDebate25/07/26 02:35 PM
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Mark Manson is a liar and sold out to please major book publishers, I've read all his books before and after 'Models'. So you really don't know a lot about this space. Are you basing everything you know about redpill on this video? Thats woefully low knowledge. So you admit you don't know what the first redpill books are or read any red pill books yourself? You just saw the shitty sidebar after all the redpill forums were deleted from reddit?
/r/PurplePillDebate25/07/26 02:33 PM
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Lol I've read most of the red pill books, so I am an authority. I haven't watched this video yet but saw clips - these guys are so young, there's no way they know that much about redpill. Which part of this video and what they say is objectionable to you specifically?
/r/PurplePillDebate25/07/26 02:30 PM
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It's about female psychology - particularly in dating and relationships. Thats all - anyone that tells you otherwise is not telling the truth.
/r/PurplePillDebate25/07/26 02:28 PM
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Name the book that started the red pill - I bet you can't. Those guys CLAIM to be red pill - doubt they are. Just say what you think red pill says here mate, is it too hard to type?
/r/PurplePillDebate25/07/26 02:26 PM
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There is no PR - it's just academic knowledge collected about womens psychology. Where did you get this idea? Who said it was otherwise?
/r/PurplePillDebate25/07/26 02:24 PM
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None of those people were Red Pill mate - they never said they were or anyone else claimed they were. They were all in seduction/pua industry - completely different and separate and you're getting them confused.
/r/PurplePillDebate25/07/26 02:23 PM
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How's that? What bad advice are they giving?
/r/PurplePillDebate25/07/26 02:18 PM
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Semantics - you said one definition and I said another completely different one. Mate, I've read almost every redpill book and you haven't read any at all, evident by your confusing definition. You're not correct - so maybe you shouldn't discuss it like you're an authority on it.
/r/PurplePillDebate25/07/26 02:18 PM
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I'm not watching that video - just say it here so we can all read it: I know where redpill started, I read the first books more than 15 years ago. So tell me where do you think it started (in writing).
/r/PurplePillDebate25/07/26 02:14 PM
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Yeah it was about women's psychology in dating and relationships. It wasn't really about seduction - it's just adjacent to seduction because of the content. It's just knowledge that keeps evolving.
/r/PurplePillDebate25/07/26 02:12 PM
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This isn't what redpill is at all - it's not about seduction or activism. It's just about women's psychology, which has been very under-studied and under-promoted (and still is) in many areas - so men started talking about it and releasing material. Men wanted to know more and learn because nobody was giving them answers.
/r/PurplePillDebate25/07/26 02:09 PM
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The red pill wasn't about improving themselves or game - it was about learning women's nature, not sanitised by mainstream media. It was purely knowledge and academic - self-improvement is not red pill, it's just standard get better and your life will get better.
/r/PurplePillDebate25/07/26 02:07 PM
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What were the specific words they used for what was destructive - several examples would be great. Then additionally how were those things they were saying destructive? You didn't give any examples in your post.
/r/PurplePillDebate25/07/26 02:02 PM
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Could you tell me some of the actual things you hear redpill say that you most commonly hear - I'd be curious to know. And what specifically are they saying that's so negative and a threat, in your opinion?
/r/PurplePillDebate25/07/26 02:00 PM
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Godfather doesn't mean he started it and he doesn't claim he did. He says that as a marketing gimmick, he never says he started it or is implying he did with that. So do you know who else was at the start of the redpill and why? I don't think anyone in the redpill takes Rollo that seriously, from what I can see so you're flogging a dead horse saying he's the be all and end all of the beginning of redpill - that says you don't know much about it.
/r/PurplePillDebate25/07/26 01:57 PM
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If you're married that long - why do you care about this issue? It will never affect you directly, so why this negativity?
/r/PurplePillDebate25/07/26 01:50 PM
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Yeah your comments are all being deleted by the mods. I think she's just got an axe to grind because men didn't give a long detailed explanation for why they broke up with her after a relationship or sex and she assumes it's because they were lying rather than something (or many things) she did wrong. It's strange that women think they're owed a detailed explanation for a breakup (but don't give it to men) and are so emotionally distraught over it when they don't get it that they want to accuse …
/r/PurplePillDebate25/07/26 01:49 PM
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I think she's just got an axe to grind because men didn't give a long detailed explanation for why they broke up with her after a relationship or sex and she assumes it's because they were lying rather than something (or many things) she did wrong. It's strange that women think they're owed a detailed explanation for a breakup (but don't give it to men) and are so emotionally distraught over it when they don't get it that they want to accuse men of rape or a crime to be punished.
/r/PurplePillDebate25/07/26 01:48 PM
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Ah so the problem is he didn't talk to her - because talking to her would have changed everything, right? Women always answer that everything should be a conversation - that's not real life. Most of the time, women want a "conversation" so they can talk you into doing what they want or lie to you to keep getting what they want or avoid consequences for themselves (in this case - consequences being a break-up).
/r/PurplePillDebate25/07/26 01:39 PM
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What's the most common pieces of advice you see being given by the red pill? What redpill authors are your friends reading and what are they telling you?
/r/PurplePillDebate25/07/26 01:32 PM
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What redpill were you reading before it was called redpill? What authors and where? Who do you think started the redpill or were one of the originators (it wasn't Rollo).
/r/PurplePillDebate25/07/26 01:28 PM
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Rollo never started RedPill and he never claims he did. Do you know who actually started it and where and the people that gave Rollo the idea for his book? He wasn't a truck driver either - he was a rep for an Alcoholic beverage supplier for many years. He got into that from being a muso at many venues, I know men and women who got into this exact role from being musicians and DJ's > alcohol reps. I'm sure he'd be wealthier back then if he actually was a truck driver.
/r/PurplePillDebate25/07/26 01:26 PM
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Who do you think started red pill and why? Who specifically said they would help men become high value in the red pill movement? I never saw that anywhere close to where it started - it has nothing to do with that.
/r/PurplePillDebate25/07/26 01:21 PM
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What do you think the red pill actually is, what it's about and why and where it started? This comment seems to mix a lot of things in that aren't red pill or nothing to do with redpill or are very secondary to redpill.
/r/PurplePillDebate25/07/26 01:16 PM
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The Red Pill is about learning all the negative & positive nature of women's behaviour and biology - that most normal media, films, TV, studies, psychologists and other related experts refuse to talk about or talk about indirectly. There's a lot of unpleasant aspects of women's nature to learn and discuss and become familiar with, so that men can appropriately respond to it in the most constructive way, for that mans circumstances. There's also many other things redpill has discussed about women…
/r/PurplePillDebate25/07/26 01:09 PM
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Oh now I get it - you cheated on your husband with a guy who was married and said he wanted a relationship and would leave his wife and was lying? Lol now I see why you care about this.
/r/PurplePillDebate25/07/26 12:55 PM
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Lol go and tell people that in person and see how they respond. Great way to get committed.
/r/PurplePillDebate25/07/26 12:51 PM
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Lol what? Equal consequences for what men face now mate. If you don't know them, can't help you to go through them.
/r/PurplePillDebate25/07/26 12:48 PM
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Yeah lol that will never happen because sex isn't a contract and never will be. I know you want severe revenge on all those men for your rejection and hurt feelings, but this is dangerous and toxic for you and your life. Be a better person and girlfriend and men are more likely to want to marry you.
/r/PurplePillDebate25/07/26 12:47 PM
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Yeah, you think this when men break up with you and no longer want a long term relationship with you now. I get it, you want to punish men severely for hurting your feelings by rejecting you.
/r/PurplePillDebate25/07/26 12:45 PM
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The same consequences as men, of course.
/r/PurplePillDebate25/07/26 12:43 PM
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I know women personally that have falsely accused men and admit it, not rare at all. So you confirm not following through on a relationship at any time post sex = Rape?
/r/PurplePillDebate25/07/26 12:42 PM
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Well I could put a dozen women in jail then, and so could my friends. I love that you openly admit women see sex as a contract that has terms that can be punished severely(with most men, I'm guessing any man that gave you a tonne of orgasms wouldn't be viewed this way). Go tell the world that - no man will ever want to have anything to do with you and you'll alienate your family and friends (especially your brothers & male friends) or they'll have you committed.
/r/PurplePillDebate25/07/26 12:40 PM
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Lol so you think all men and women who lied pre-sex or changed their mind about a long term relationship after sex all committed rape? And should be jailed?
/r/PurplePillDebate25/07/26 12:12 PM
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So you think men and women should be jailed for lying before sex and/or changing their minds about a long term relationship post sex?
/r/PurplePillDebate25/07/26 12:10 PM
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I wish it wasn't normal that women lie about how many sexual partners they've had before relationships or if they've got secret children - but I'm not suggesting they be prosecuted for a contract that doesn't exist or because my feeling were hurt. This is so typical of women - they want destructive legal and serious punishment for people hurting their feelings. This is why the west is getting worse for men.
/r/PurplePillDebate25/07/26 12:07 PM
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So all the women who lied to me to get me to have sex with them (when I told the truth) are rapists too? What about all the women who lied to get me into a relationship and I found out those lies from others after all the time and money I spent on them? Is that rape AND fraud (for the money spent)? Lol Sex has no contract so if theres no contract, lying can't be punished. But again, these men dodged a bullet with you - go tell your dad and brothers you think this they'll have you committed.
/r/PurplePillDebate25/07/26 12:05 PM
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Lol that sounds like you just showed you wouldn't be a good long term partner and he broke it off because he decided that and didn't tell you why. I've done that and no lies were told, she just showed me over time she wasn't marriage material so I broke up with her. So I changed my mimd, based on her behaviour that I saw and didn't tell her about. And you're saying men should be punished for this because you experienced negative emotions? Lol that's an insane crazy take, got tell that to your br…
/r/PurplePillDebate25/07/26 12:02 PM
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And she wants to punish them AND call them rapists for changing his mind about being in a relationship with a clearly unstable woman. But this is par for the course with women - women think men should have ALL their assets removed when she divorces him or jailed for cheating on her and many other bs punishments for her feelings being hurt.
/r/PurplePillDebate25/07/26 11:58 AM
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Wait, so a man says to you: If you have sex with me, in exchange I will definately enter into a long term relationship with you. There are no other terms, beside sex, that I as a man need from you. Something like that was said - if not, what was said exactly word for word? Mate, I can lie constantly to women to get them to fuck me and I do lol. Women lie to me all the time for the same reason, and then lie further to get me to agree to a relationship. I expect it and check and find their lying o…
/r/PurplePillDebate25/07/26 11:56 AM
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My questions DO make sense. I lie ALL the time for sex because there is NO contract when two consenting adults have sex. Women lie to me all the time to have sex with me and then lie more to get into a relationship with me. You're a very delusional or unbalanced individual if you think all these things. This is likely men didn't want to go further - you're crazy and they found out earlier rather than later, thank goodness.
/r/PurplePillDebate25/07/26 11:50 AM
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What if he was telling the truth but changed his mind after the sex was bad or you weren't sexually comparable - but never told you that? Are you saying that he MUST pursue a relationship with you after sex because it was part of a contract and you can't change your mind due to that contract? It sounds like you as a woman want all the power to change your mind but you think men shouldn't have any power to change his mind.
/r/PurplePillDebate25/07/26 11:48 AM
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No, the sex was bad or she just wasn't it and not sexually or otherwise compatable. So, you do think there is a unspoken contract women engage in before sex that must be on her terms and she can change her mind later about the relationship but he can't - otherwise its non-consensual for her and he should be punished?
/r/PurplePillDebate25/07/26 11:44 AM
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Ok, so a man guaranteed to pleasure you then - absolute guarantee (he's slept with several women you know and trust and they all told you this) - then does he have a relationship contract to fulfill? So you do see sex an an unspoken contract that has terms and conditions that he's unaware of - that if broken by him now or in future, he should be punished for? What should the punishment be? Don't say you don't know.
/r/PurplePillDebate25/07/26 11:35 AM
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Thats not an answer to a question asked. Do you think men are agreeing to an unspoken contract when he has sex with a woman? When the results of that contract aren't fulfilled for her or her feelings are negative after the fact - that there should be consequences for him? Men are allowed to lie about EVERYTHING when they have ssx with women - because there's NO CONTRACT for sex between consenting adults and there can't be. So can women lie and women do plenty of lying before and after sex and to…
/r/PurplePillDebate25/07/26 11:29 AM
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Answer the questions though. How is lying and the result of their being no relationship after sex - not a unspoken contract (exchange of something with terms) when you don't get what you wanted?
/r/PurplePillDebate25/07/26 11:17 AM
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So you're saying he's not allowed to change his mind? Nothing change - the sex happened. It might have been not good or outright bad sex. Didn't find you as attractive without clothes, loose, etc. Lots of reasons. Are you also saying that he can't change his mind after bad sex? So you want to criminalise men changing their minds about a woman after sex as being non-consent now because he doesn't want a relationship? You sound insane and he dodged a bullet.
/r/PurplePillDebate25/07/26 11:15 AM
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Maybe for you, but perhaps you're not appealing enough to attract an attractive guy that is actually enjoyable. So you do see sex an an unspoken contract that has terms and conditions that he's unaware of - that if broken by him now or in future, he should be punished for? What should the punishment be? Don't say you don't know.
/r/PurplePillDebate25/07/26 10:59 AM
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This is how women are treating it - worse than a transaction, but a long-term unspoken contract with many terms and goals that need to be fulfilled - or men should be punished. This is the exact method women used for marriage - a contract where he loses huge if we decide he hasn't fulfilled his side of an unspoken contract. Same contracts and punishments from women - just different applications.
/r/PurplePillDebate25/07/26 10:52 AM
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You answered, as a woman, how you believe men think - which is a very inaccurate projection. Do you think men are agreeing to an unspoken contract when he has sex with a woman? When the results of that contract aren't fulfilled for her or her feelings are negative after the fact - that there should be consequences for him?
/r/PurplePillDebate25/07/26 10:43 AM
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Ok so you say in this comment that sex isn't a contract - that it's about love making ans being intimate with someone you care about. How does him lying about anything take away from any of that? How does him lying invalidate or is even relevant to that? What exactly is the lying these men are doing? Every woman here is saying he said he wanted a long term relationship but then said he didn't. So he changed his mind - he's allowed to. He likely had good reasons for not wanting to pursue a relati…
/r/PurplePillDebate25/07/26 10:41 AM
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Ok, so you think men should be jailed for this or segregated rehabilitation. When you have sex - do you (and other women) believe you're entering into an unspoken contract that the sex is in exchange for certain things and goals you want as a woman and what he says and does is terms for that contract? And if he doesn't fulfill his side of the unspoken contract - he should be punished? Do you also think the only reason for women to have sex is for the benefits that come from this unspoken contrac…
/r/PurplePillDebate25/07/26 10:27 AM
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Do you think men are agreeing to an unspoken contract when he has sex with a woman when the results of that contract aren't fulfilled for her or her feelings are negative after the fact - that there should be consequences for him?
/r/PurplePillDebate25/07/26 10:20 AM
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This is it - these women are telling us that they view sex as a wholly unspoken covert contract and everything the man says and does is part of that contract - that contract also has things that need to be achieved in the future (also unspoken). And that man should be punished if everything on her unspoken contract and all the terms aren't fulfilled - the man should be punished (somehow, possibly with jail). Women act like they don't enjoy sex - they act like it's only purpose is as a contract e…
/r/PurplePillDebate25/07/26 10:17 AM
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Prison is segregated rehabilitation. So you think women should be punished equally for non-consent when she lies about her age or if she has kids?
/r/PurplePillDebate25/07/26 09:29 AM
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It's not implying a moral contract - it's her making an UNSPOKEN contract about what she wants the result for her having sex to be - when the man has no idea and punishing him when that unspoken unknown contract goes unfulfilled by that man.
/r/PurplePillDebate25/07/26 09:27 AM
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You mean women want men to suffer consequences for her poor choices that she agreed to happily? Nice try
/r/PurplePillDebate25/07/26 09:26 AM
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Yeah, so you agree with these men and disagree with these women. Who was talking about the lowest barrier?
/r/PurplePillDebate25/07/26 09:25 AM
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Yes, that women want to punish men because she has negative feelings when she creates an unspoken contract before having sex for what the sex needs to get for her - then punishing men when she doesn't get the result of that unspoken sex contract fulfilled.
/r/PurplePillDebate25/07/26 09:24 AM
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Ok, so you think there should be jail or what? Because a lot of women from my past will be having repurcussions or jail then - lying about age, lying about not having children or being on the pill or not being married or body count. You're right - we should all think of sex like you and these other women: as an unspoken contract that must be fulfilled with the desired unspoken result - otherwise consequences/jail.
/r/PurplePillDebate25/07/26 09:19 AM
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Lol so you shouldn't be commenting on men being being punished and no idea what the punishment should be. Should women be also be punished equally for lying before sex?
/r/PurplePillDebate25/07/26 09:13 AM
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So what should be the punishment for men lying before sex? Should women equally be punished for non-consent when they lie about their age, if they have kids but say they had none, if they claim they've never been married/divorced? What about if she claims she's on the pill but she gets pregnant - is that non-consent against the male and she should be punished and no child support claims can be made? Most men just change their minds about a woman and she gets upset about it and she thinks she sho…
/r/PurplePillDebate25/07/26 09:12 AM
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Nope, I don't think he should have been jailed Now you answer my questions above now. Lol you won't though.
/r/PurplePillDebate25/07/26 09:03 AM
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This is incoherent mate, no idea what you're saying. Just say what are the terms men should be punished after sex when they change their minds. And what should the punishment be and should it be equal for women when they lie to a man for sex? Can we sue them when a woman lies to us before a relationship about things? Can she be punished with jail?
/r/PurplePillDebate25/07/26 09:02 AM
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Yeah, then why comment about punishment when you have no idea what the punishment should be? So strange. It sounds like you think it should be jail. So if a woman lies about her age or lies that she doesn't have kids or lies about how many people she's had sex with or that she's still married (when she lied saying she was divorced) - should a woman be punished with jail for non-consent with jail (or the same way men are being punished)? What if she said she was on the pill, lied had a child - sh…
/r/PurplePillDebate25/07/26 08:57 AM
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FEEL is the word doing the heavy lifting - implying womens negative emotions after not getting the result she wanted from sex should necessitate a punishment for that man? So your argument is: womens emotions were hurt (after sex) = Man should be punished (legally or with jail) Then the other part: she only consented to sex because she was doing under the unspoken contract that a relationship would definately happen and her feelings are hurt about that? I really don't think you've thought about …
/r/PurplePillDebate25/07/26 08:48 AM
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So what should be the punishment then for men? Will women get punished the same if she lies about her age or not having kids before sex? Or a woman says she on birth control and she lied and had his child - can she get punished for that + the man waives his lega requirement for child support because she lied?
/r/PurplePillDebate25/07/26 08:43 AM
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So if a man changes his mind that he doesn't want a relationship following sex - he should be arrested and jailed because a woman FEELS he lied and her feelings have been hurt? Is that your claim? What should be the punishment, in your opinion?
/r/PurplePillDebate25/07/26 08:40 AM
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You said what the punishment shouldn't be - so you didn't answer the question. What do you think the actual specific punishment should be for men who lie to get women to sleep with them and how to prove it wasn't just a man thst didn't want a relationship with her at some point post sex?
/r/PurplePillDebate25/07/26 08:35 AM
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If writing that list is a "doomed endeavour" - then you're essentially admitting there's no way for you or normal people to even know. Which implies women just want to be able to punsh men for any bad choices they make or when men change their minds about not wanting to be in a relationship with a woman after sex and when women get hurt feelings about something. Really - it's mostly women wanting to punish men when he changes his mind about wanting a relationship with a woman. I know I've had se…
/r/PurplePillDebate25/07/26 08:29 AM
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Well, you answer the questions I posed first and then I'll answer. (I know you won't because it'll look horrid).
/r/PurplePillDebate25/07/26 08:21 AM
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Lol what do you think happens when a woman says that she didn't consent after the fact to sex? That's not how the law treats it. So what do you think the punishment should be?
/r/PurplePillDebate25/07/26 07:53 AM
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That's mostly what every woman in this forum says or implys: Women shouldn't have ANY consequences for her poor choices and if there is some consequence on women - then men should have to be punished (for some reason). Also, if any man is involved in a decision a woman makes - he's at fault and must pay/go to jail. There is no other points these women make - that's basically all they do here.
/r/PurplePillDebate25/07/26 07:52 AM
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You think men should go to jail because a woman's feelings were hurt when he decided you weren't worthy of a relationship (which is he main reason for men not engaging those women in relationships)? Typical women in the western world: they want to jail men because her feelings were hurt after making a poorly considered choice.
/r/PurplePillDebate25/07/26 07:49 AM
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No it really doesn't. So if a man says something and that woman had sex with him for that thing he said - you think men should go to jail for that for several years? But I'm guessing if a woman lies to a man to have sex with him and she gets pregnant - he can't claim the consent is invalid, it was forced and she should go to jail for it + he can void claims of child support? Insane to say this - women in the western world have been given far too much.
/r/PurplePillDebate25/07/26 07:46 AM
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Yeah, you're responses proves my point repeatedly.
/r/PurplePillDebate25/07/26 03:00 AM
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Lol so triggered and incorrect that you can't even respond to the argument with any evidence. That's ok, I think you're done here.
/r/PurplePillDebate25/07/26 02:59 AM
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This was far too long mate. It sounds like you do very little striking of conversations yourself (without the man doing anything) aka a cold approach. Whenever I see a woman say this, the men they "strike up conversations with" are already talking to someone she knows, or she knows them through a friend or is simply going a conversation. So yes, this isn't a cold approach (unlike what men do) and takes no courage whatsoever, and can rarely be done. Yes, women rarely if ever cold approach in thei…
/r/PurplePillDebate24/07/26 06:13 PM
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Now it's you can't read - I said approaching hundreds or thousands. I never mentioned anything about rejection. Lol you just keep diverting and focusing on a small part. It must be hard for you to accept women's biggest and most obvious weakness - why is I so hard and in denial and being triggered?
/r/PurplePillDebate24/07/26 05:24 PM
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Women don't approach because they're too risk averse (naturally), passive and emotionally sensitive - so the rejection hurts them more emotionally than men. I said this in the other thread - women will never admit this because it makes them look silly and weak. These women will deny this and say it's because: men are predators and we're scared of them hurting us. Women are more likely to win the lottery or crashing their car that day than them being a victim of a man they themselves approach.
/r/PurplePillDebate24/07/26 04:23 PM
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Lol "a few times)" - nobody cares. Men do it hundreds or thousands of times. So a man told her to her face and articulated AFTER he rejected her that he felt "weird for her to take the initiative" what a lie. Men don't talk like that and why was she still talking to him after she got rejected by a stranger? Just a made up fantasy story. Men don't hang around to explain why he rejects a woman to her face lol One guy? Oh no, must be ALL men when we extrapolate from one guy. Lol So to answer, your …
/r/PurplePillDebate24/07/26 04:19 PM
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Lol I already answered this repeatedly and it's garbage. It's science that women rarely take risks and are emotional (fear of taking action, higher emotional distress when rejected, etc.) Women will never ever ever ever earn more than men because they will never take more risks (or even close), it'll still be this way in 500 years and beyond. Women have all the opportunities now - and still just refuse to take the risks. Why is this so hard to accept that its women's biology and not men holding …
/r/PurplePillDebate24/07/26 04:14 PM
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Yeah, you literally said in your last message "ya'll are afraid of women with power" - your quote. So I'm guessing you're black and a woman who lives in the US around a fair number of other black people. Women are very safe in Australia by comparison - they can go jogging and walk home at night, even in the middle of a major city (unlike in America). So women are less scared of men here. Lol you think men aren't afraid because we're predators? You mean men aren't afraid because we're physically …
/r/PurplePillDebate24/07/26 04:09 PM
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Yeah, you just ranted and proved nothing. Went to university - it's literally learning everything by following mostly. Men buy property 20 to 1 in comparison to women, so that doesn't count. And a bunch of other stuff is off-topic in your comment and again proves there no basis for any of what you said. I guess it must be difficult for you as a woman to accept how passive/reactive/following you and most women are, most of the time and it's really at the heart of all womens weaknesses and problem…
/r/PurplePillDebate24/07/26 03:58 PM
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Lol more excuses - women are risk averse when around only women. Women are risk averse by themselves! Women are risk averse in sports, in investing, in their strategy in anything - it has NOTHING to do with men lol. Are you mentally well? Women refuse to do ANYTHING that has any risk, whether its men, or jobs or any risk anywhere. You saying women's passivity and risk aversion only applies to men is hilarious and has zero evidence. This is why men are paid more - we risk far more, consistently m…
/r/PurplePillDebate24/07/26 11:08 AM
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Lol you couldn't nama a single time women are proactive because they never will be. What a dumb excuse - men are afraid of women's power? So you're saying women purposely are passive/reactive - because they're STILL worried about what men MIGHT think (but not even say)? Insane excuses there lol. We literally tell women constantly to approach men and I even tell women I know - none of them do it. None of them will ever be proactive. No male (including me) has ever been afraid of a woman when she'…
/r/PurplePillDebate24/07/26 11:04 AM
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Lol no on the first - not sure where you live but not here in Australia. Lol no - education is literally follow follow react, then follow more, do what professors tell you, repeat what's in a book, follow what you've been told when you get tested. Buy a house - more men own houses in the western world than women lol. And it's also not proactive. Men start and maintain more business, buy more homes, ask for more promotions, write more music/films/television, ask for money, take more risks at work…
/r/PurplePillDebate24/07/26 10:52 AM
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Thats not the reason men approach and women don't - the reason is because women are highly passive, risk averse, emotional and physically weak. You know this - stop lying by saying it's because women like men less. I know the horniest, sluttiest feral women climbing the walls for a male and would still never cold approach a stranger, even if would save their lives. Please stop peddling this nonsense.
/r/PurplePillDebate24/07/26 10:19 AM
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I don't believe this - how many men (who are strangers) have you cold approached? Men you didn't know or know anything about them or know from a friend?
/r/PurplePillDebate24/07/26 10:13 AM
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We know why women don't approach: They're passive (following/reactive) ans risk-averse (due to high emotionality & emotional sensitivity). What do you mean you don't know? This is why telling women to cold approach men doesn't work or telling women to be proactive about anything never works and has never worked in history, unfortunately. Women will NEVER be proactive consistently and regularly in their lives and this is the source of most of womens failures, not men (like they like to blame).
/r/PurplePillDebate24/07/26 10:12 AM
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Women are the SAME proactivity as men? Are you claiming this in all areas - women are more often leading than following? Are you also claiming women (pro-actively) approach men the same as women? Go on, how many men have you and your female friends each cold approached strangers in your lives? Guaranteed it's none or significantly less than any most males you know.
/r/PurplePillDebate24/07/26 10:08 AM
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One thing? This thread is literally about women refusing to regularly cold approach men, even when they're advised to do so and know it's the most logical next step. This is being pro-active and women constantly choose to be passive/reactive instead (which gets them nowhere). My turn - could you name one (preferable more) instances where women regularly are proactive (not passive or reactive - they lead or make the first original move)?
/r/PurplePillDebate24/07/26 10:05 AM
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Mate, there's 100+ posts on this forum about all the ins & outs of eye contact. It's old, it's basic, boring and it's repetitive. We all got the message a long time ago about eye contact.
/r/seduction24/07/26 07:23 AM
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Are you a woman yourself who thinks this or are you saying this as a man? I think women would rather be tortured than be consistently pro-active about anything in their lives.
/r/PurplePillDebate24/07/26 07:18 AM
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So you reward an active man. Men also reward active women - have you thought of that?
/r/PurplePillDebate24/07/26 03:51 AM
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Almost ALL women's negative issues are caused by their passivity and refusal to be pro-active. No matter how much everyone in society tells them this, in every medium possible - women hate it, they don't respond well to it, and they keep finding ways to be passive in a different way. Anybody telling women to be pro-active is accused of being hateful and destroyed by other females (and males) and they get no audience, no money/sales and no platform.
/r/PurplePillDebate24/07/26 03:48 AM
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Have any of your female friends actually taken your advice to approach men? I'm guessing none of them and all of them chose to be passive, despite knowing the consequences, right?
/r/PurplePillDebate24/07/26 03:43 AM
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The media and governments can try re-shaping gender identity - it won't make women predominantly pro-active in ANY of their behaviour. If women haven't become majority proactive now in most of their behaviour - they never will. Look how much the media, films/tv, news, social media, governments are ALL trying to constantly brainwash and push women to be pro-active and women outright refuse, all around the world, at all times. Getting women to be pro-active doesn't work now, it's never worked in t…
/r/PurplePillDebate24/07/26 03:40 AM
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Attraction towards a woman is about 60-80% about looks/youth and sex for a man, depending on the man himself and the woman's actual attributes. You're over-simplifying mens attraction, it's a majority about looks but it's not all.
/r/PurplePillDebate24/07/26 02:50 AM
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The only reason men are told to be pro-active is that women are told to be pro-active and women have never been largely proactive about anything in history. This is why the pro-activity is pushed on men: it's the only way any group will be proactive about anything, rather than passive or responding rather than initiating.
/r/PurplePillDebate24/07/26 02:42 AM
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Moving locations you mean? Have you never asked a woman to move wherever with you before?
/r/seduction23/07/26 05:14 PM
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How exactly does this make men non-seductive? Could you prove this with statistics or cite sources please?
/r/PurplePillDebate23/07/26 12:46 PM
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Never heard of it and men don't care about doing that - such a strange way to project on what women do. Men don't have a choice in child support, so that's government. Imagining a man thinking, "yeah, she'll always need to see me because we have two kids together. I have to pay her a tonne of money and she despises me and I get nothing from it, but what a trap" it's beyond silly and never happened to anyone I've heard of. Maybe if this woman had a lot of money and she was giving him child suppor…
/r/PurplePillDebate23/07/26 04:35 AM
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Lol yeah - I'll talk you through it in a few sentences on a reddit forum, it's so simple and easy. It's doing a normal daytime approach but taking it further to another location for for the insta-date like a nearby coffee shop, park, river, whatever. Treat it like it's a fun disorganised first date and do the same things you would do on a first date (not restaurants though), except the date location is nearby to where you are when you first met her. Move to several locations and keep escalating …
/r/seduction22/07/26 08:00 AM
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Yes, done this hundreds of times and met many girls I've had sex, dated and girlfriends this way. It takes more time, but its a first date right there.
/r/seduction22/07/26 01:09 AM
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Yes, you take her on the date then and there and it's like an ad hoc first date after the approach. Use the momentum of the approach to make a first date right there, even if it's basic and unorganized, and proceed like you would on a first date with physical escalation, moving venues, then eventually sex. And if it doesn't go to sex, you've already had a first date and escalated - get her phone number after this insta-date and organise a second date there for later and she's so much more likely…
/r/seduction21/07/26 11:56 AM
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I just told you why in my last comment, why the pearl clutching. They're adult women with agency and strength and that's how having a job and the real world works, they wanted to be in it. We all can be stay at home dads, we just need to marry super high earning women.
/r/PurplePillDebate20/07/26 02:08 PM
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Lol you don't trap someone you leave. What a warped bizarre way of thinking.
/r/PurplePillDebate20/07/26 02:04 PM
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I've never seen men asked this question in large surveys. However, the people that I have seen asked this question, in interviews or my own friends and family all say the same thing - men would love to be a stay at home dad. But what this really translates to is: I wish my wife was so high earning that I can be a dad and work when I want to. This is rarely possible - but when it is, it happens. By cousin is a stay at home sad for the kids for a few years because his wife earned a tonne of money …
/r/PurplePillDebate20/07/26 02:03 PM
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Yes, and I'm sure you as a woman are voting for that to get worse: more immigration and more wives in the workforce = Lower household income
/r/PurplePillDebate20/07/26 03:13 AM
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Sure, as I said in the previous comment: men would love to stay at home but most women divorce or cheat on those men or never marry them if she knows the responsibility of income will be on her when the kids are young.
/r/PurplePillDebate20/07/26 03:10 AM
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Sure, but not because he trapped her - plenty of women do this to try to trap a man and it fails when he leaves. She gambled on that decision and lost.
/r/PurplePillDebate20/07/26 02:58 AM
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Oh every guy would do this - the only women I know who would agree to it (I know two, both doctors) - aren't that high earning and are not in any way attractive to any man I know. One of them is getting married, no kids and the soon to be husband can just do whatever. Nice women though.
/r/PurplePillDebate19/07/26 04:34 PM
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So women don't know when their ovulating, not taking the pill, no abortion pill and no abortion? Women have complete control over their contraception and know when they're ovulating (you know, two weeks after your period every month since you hit puberty) So you're saying men CAN'T or shouldn't be stay at home dads because women need to recover? Sounds sexist and like women can't be strong, independent boss babes. I thought women always say they have a higher pain tolerance than men? Surely you …
/r/PurplePillDebate19/07/26 04:30 PM
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Almost every guy I know would be a stay at home dad if they if their wives wouldn't divorce them over it and the bills could be paid. Impossible in Australia unless you had a tonne of money to begin with.
/r/PurplePillDebate19/07/26 04:26 PM
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Never heard of it - but for every one of those men are 100 women baby trapping men, because women have full control of their contraceptives. How does a man baby trap a woman when she has a slew of different pills, knows when she ovulates and at worst, abortion. It's so unlikely it's cartoonish.
/r/PurplePillDebate19/07/26 04:24 PM
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Well you must not live in Australia or live in a very low priced area because my wife will be working full-time, even if its wfh. We need to pay bills and pay off a house.
/r/PurplePillDebate19/07/26 03:23 PM
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This is pure projection - I've never heard of this being done by a man. I have heard of this being done by women - baby-trapping (often multiple times) - including my mother, an Aunt, several friends, sisters friends, etc. No men have I ever heard of have even the intention. They couldn't even if they wanted to because women have complete contraceptive control. I'd love to be a stay at home dad with a wife paying the bills - a total dream. The problem is most women quickly divorce men like that …
/r/PurplePillDebate19/07/26 03:18 PM
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We can all dream brother, I too hope I'm in that 2% of married men where my wife earns more than me and that less than 0.5% of men who are stay at home. The problem is most women quickly divorce men like this so it wouldn't last long.
/r/PurplePillDebate19/07/26 03:11 PM
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I think that's great for both of you and make sure you tell this to men early in your relationship - you may have to lower your standards for the next man after that one you tell breaks up with you. Women created this situation by wanting to all be in the full time workforce - most families need both parents work to actually afford their lives or worse.
/r/PurplePillDebate19/07/26 03:09 PM
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Yeah, what I said and posted is highly relevant to this post.
/r/PurplePillDebate19/07/26 02:56 PM
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Great, that's a backhanded way of admitting you concede. Does it bother you that women generally don't know this about themselves? I was responding to this post with that exact point myself - women reporting most men (in photos) don't sexually arouse them is non-news because they're saying the same thing in studies when they are aroused. Then these guys come here and it's doom and gloom. It's the same reason most men have no success on dating apps.
/r/PurplePillDebate19/07/26 02:47 PM
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Thats the first study - the others showed brain scans, heart, lubrication, blood flow, etc as being sexually aroused and the women weren't aware. Why is this so hard to believe and why only quote one of the studies when there's several follow up studies by others?
/r/PurplePillDebate19/07/26 02:59 AM
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Nope - no evidence for that and not from experience. How do you think women "feel lusty)" - what mechanism of signals tells them that and makes it clear? And do you have any evidence for that?
/r/PurplePillDebate18/07/26 07:29 PM
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Lol no evidence, secondhand nonsense other people told you, didn't read the studies and can't say what's in them - no idea. People can say all they want bud - the studies I posted are FACT. You can't debate fact and you've given nothing, so you look silly. I never ever ever ever chase (or peacock) - and nobody I know that is good with women does. Chasing & peacocking is literally the best way to never get laid, which you would know if you ever actually approached, which sounds like you don't. Du…
/r/PurplePillDebate18/07/26 07:21 PM
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Yes, I just said they feel it through emotions and neurochemicals - generally. Those studies prove they don't feel it directly. I wish they did, the whole world would have sex way more if women were immediately aware of their arousal, could pinpoint exactly when and why they're aroused. But those studies show women aren't aware or mostly don't understand their sexual arousal. Is it not possible that women mostly feel their arousal through emotions and other neurochemicals - rather than their vag…
/r/PurplePillDebate18/07/26 07:12 PM
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Lol you've given no evidence - post your evidence here like I did. You won't - you don't have any. You're trolling at this point. Also, please tell me exactly what those studies say (not what they don't say) - I really don't think you read them or understand them at all. Lol do you think I chase women to have sex with them or peacock? Who told you that hahha? Is that the only way you think men seduce women? Oh, you're celibate and jealous and being bad faith about how men seduce women because yo…
/r/PurplePillDebate18/07/26 07:03 PM
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Lol mate, I've been with hundreds of women over the years - it's a fact. I don't like it but it is. I've cold approached perhaps thousands of women, again, I know what works. Those studies are fact, you have presented no other facts. Those facts comport with my significant amount of experience. It's funny to watch you write delusional incoherent barely English sentences and get dunked on repeatedly in this topic lol.
/r/PurplePillDebate18/07/26 06:54 PM
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Lol they know they don't and men know they don't and all the studies available on this topic confirm they don't. No need to tell women bud, they're clueless about their own arousal. I wish they did know, it'd be a dreamworld I'd like to live in.
/r/PurplePillDebate18/07/26 06:46 PM
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Women are attracted in person - women just don't know this via sexual arousal, only when she feels emotions and senses and neurochemicals.
/r/PurplePillDebate18/07/26 06:39 PM
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Lol you didn't read the studies and I did and I just described what they said. I asked you what they said differently and you just said what they didn't say and lesbians lol. Delusional that they have to approach? Now you're incoherent. You do need to approach - online doesn't work for the exact reasons above, women can't be aroused by photos. You're obviously very young and inexperienced. I really shouldn't have given you this much time.
/r/PurplePillDebate18/07/26 06:28 PM
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What you just said makes no sense on this topic. Those studies imply that women almost NEVER pick men to have sex with based on physical sexual arousal because women are largely unaware of their own physical sexual arousal (according to those studies). Women pick men to have sex with using other method like emotions, neurochemical, etc. And NOT sexual arousal. What aren't you understanding and why do you keep talking about consent? Literally none of this is relevant to consent.
/r/PurplePillDebate18/07/26 06:00 PM
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Ok, you sound really negative. No, it says women are highly sexually aroused by MANY types of sexual stimulation, including women, gay men, and random sexual situations - but women are largely unaware of this arousal. Even though their arousal has been measured by every metric to show they're aroused: Brain scans, blood flow, heart/cardiac, lubrication, etc. - they all show high sexual arousal that they were mostly unaware of. Therefore women don't use their sexual arousal to pick men to have se…
/r/PurplePillDebate18/07/26 05:46 PM
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So you didn't read any of those studies - they showed women were actually highly aroused by that stimulus, measured via blood flow, brain scans, cardiac, lubrication, etc. Women consistently tested to not be aware of this arousal, and report to NOT being aroused despite ALL physiological evidence they were aroused. Therefore, these studies conclude women are largely unaware of their own sexual arousal (mostly). It makes sense - women decide to have sex with men based on other signals that are mo…
/r/PurplePillDebate18/07/26 05:35 PM
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So what exactly do those studies say and how is it different to what I said? It says that women have a lot of arousal for alot of things - and they're unaware of it. It shows brain imaging, blood flow, heartbeat, wetness and many other measurements. How do women then choose men, have sex with men, then date and marry men, in your opinion? Why does sex happen so often with women and men? Is it possible that women are attracted to men via other mechanisms (emotions, other neurotransmitters) - rath…
/r/PurplePillDebate18/07/26 03:49 PM
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Just give it up man, you're defeated here and you have no answers for anything.
/r/PurplePillDebate18/07/26 03:06 PM
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So what exactly do those studies say and how is it different to what I said? So you didn't answer - how does it benefit you in you believing that all women aren't really attracted to almost all men? How do women then choose men, have sex with men, then date and marry men, in your opinion? Why do women cheat on men, in your opinion? How do all these things work, according to you?
/r/PurplePillDebate18/07/26 02:57 PM
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I posted 4 different studies - so you didn't see my comment with the links to the studies, did you? So they discussed ALL those conclusive studies I posted? All of them say the same: women don't know when they're sexually aroused (directly). Please show me in all 4 of the studies I posted that they don't come to that conclusion. Secondly - what dog do you have in this race? How does it help or benefit you to believe that women ALWAYS easily know when they're sexually aroused but then never get a…
/r/PurplePillDebate18/07/26 02:50 PM
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I just posted FOUR different studies (in another comment) from different researchers all over the world that conclusively prove women usually don't know when they're sexually aroused, one of those includes a meta-study (compilation of OTHER studies & data) to support this? Where's your evidence? Do you really take the reported surveys of women as absolute truth and gospel when EVERY study says women don't know when they're aroused because their sexually signalling system is confusing and interna…
/r/PurplePillDebate18/07/26 02:26 PM
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So many great studies further showing women's lack of awareness of arousal and the enormous gender differences in awareness of arousal. What now that you have this bulletproof scientific evidence? https://link.springer.com/article/10.1007/s10508-009-9556-9 https://pubmed.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/23859298/ https://www.researchgate.net/publication/321230687%5C_Interoception%5C_and%5C_Awareness%5C_of%5C_Physiological%5C_Sexual%5C_Arousal%5C_in%5C_Women%5C_With%5C_Sexual%5C_Arousal%5C_Concerns https://www.n…
/r/PurplePillDebate18/07/26 02:21 PM
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You didn't read the study. How does what I said make me feel good, in what way? Ok, so you're saying women and mens arousal is the same and just as simple and easy to recognise by both sexes (despite different mechanisms). And your evidence for this is surveys of women looking at mens photos and women masterbating? That's all?
/r/PurplePillDebate18/07/26 02:06 PM
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Thats not what the study says and you clearly don't know it and haven't read it - they took several measurements. Are you claiming women's internally based arousal is as clear, obvious and easy to recognise for them as Men's very obvious external arousal? Because you are comparing the two and projecting its the same for men and women.
/r/PurplePillDebate18/07/26 01:49 PM
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Please enlighten us about how I'm specifically delusional and how you're correct about women self-reporting their attraction to men based on photos?
/r/PurplePillDebate18/07/26 01:33 PM
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What does it say and how is it different to what I'm saying? You don't know because you inaccuratly described it earlier.
/r/PurplePillDebate18/07/26 01:31 PM
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So I post it and then what? This is arguably the most famous study on womens sexuality published in decades. Haven't you heard of it?
/r/PurplePillDebate18/07/26 01:31 PM
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So what was the point of this post or are you trolling now asking to be banned? Was the point just to lament indirectly that women aren't aware of who they're sexually aroused by like men are (because women's arousal is internal and hard to recognise and mens is very obvious because it's external)? Men and women are different and women need more than photos to know they like a man.
/r/PurplePillDebate18/07/26 01:23 PM
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Women are simply mostly unaware when they're directly sexually aroused because it's difficult to recognise because their arousal is mostly internal, rather than males mostly external and easily seen/felt/discovered arousal. What are you pushing back on? Women aren't attracted to men with direct sexual arousal - it's through emotions, and other neurochemicals like dopamine and oxytocin, norepinephrine - and even that's difficult to read for women themselves as to whether that means they like that…
/r/PurplePillDebate18/07/26 01:13 PM
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Yes, the study showed the obvious that people have known for eternity: Women's sexual arousal is internal and therefore difficult for them to be aware of. Whereas mens arousal is very external and very easy for men to be aware of, which is why men know exactly when and what arouses him and what doesn't, the moment it happens exactly, whereas women don't know much or any of that information, and if they know some, it can be guesswork. I never mentioned consent, and I don't think anyone has here a…
/r/PurplePillDebate18/07/26 01:09 PM
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Is that what you think successful men do when they have sex with women? And I'm guessing you've now run out ways to discredit the study and assert women don't like men much - because you've not presented any evidence. So what do you do with this updated information? Women's arousal is internal and harder for them to recognise - unlike men where our arousal is external and obvious to us.
/r/PurplePillDebate18/07/26 01:00 PM
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As per my previous comments - the people conducting the study I mentioned knew this - so used several measurements to ascertain womens sexual arousal (and mens). So assuming the study is accurate (it certainly is) - how does that change your view?
/r/PurplePillDebate18/07/26 12:56 PM
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This is completely incoherent. That's what the study said - do you have better studies with womens physical arousal mentioned? If you don't - it looks like you're wrong and you're trying to make excuses for why you don't take any risks with women in dating. I've seen this before.
/r/PurplePillDebate18/07/26 12:38 PM
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Very famous study - Google it. Really surprised you've never heard of it. So you accept the premise now then?
/r/PurplePillDebate18/07/26 12:36 PM
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That study measured far more than women's lubrication. Argue with what women with what evidence? What evidence of this do you have? Women don't understand their own arousal or arr mug less aware of it - so whatever they report isn't correct in surveys, the study showed that. that's the science and arguing with it is futile. Unfortunately women need other stimulation (like emotions or other neurochemicals) to understand they are interested in a man - not direct sexual arousal alone. This is why s…
/r/PurplePillDebate18/07/26 12:29 PM
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Again, that study had multiple measurements that say otherwise. Why argue with facts? Is it too hard to accept that perhaps women are just as sexual (or moreso) as men but are often unaware of it due to having different and less obvious physical arousal mechanisms (obviously)? this is what the study referred to above showed - it's just more difficult (physically) for women to be aware or know of their arousal. It's comparatively EASY for men - we just look down because mens arousal is very obvio…
/r/PurplePillDebate18/07/26 12:23 PM
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The study showed that women surveyed say different to women's body measurements of arousal. Sorry mate, its literal scientific fact now. Why argue with facts? How does it help you?
/r/PurplePillDebate18/07/26 12:17 PM
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I don't think you're aware of the study I'm referencing - they tested women with several measurements for arousal. This is FACT now because this has been repeated - why argue with etched in stone fact? Women CAN and do know when they're aroused sometimes, as the study showed. But not most of the time. Does arguing with scientific facts usually help in your life or did you just assume this was my opinion? Do you have other alternative sources for women being aware or not of their arousal?
/r/PurplePillDebate18/07/26 11:52 AM
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The studies asking women if they're aroused watching various media while being monitored by machines literally proved women aren't aware when they're aroused - what women said aroused them and what the machines measuring them said were opposite to each other. Whereas men in the same study showed that when a man said he was aroused and what the machine showed were the same. So this has been proven now - trust the science. What scientific support do you have? Please cite.
/r/PurplePillDebate18/07/26 11:48 AM
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Studies have shown women aren't even aware when they're sexually aroused or physically excited by a man - they need machines to confirm they are. So you asking women if they see men that excite them would return the same result. Women with their own arousal running down their legs will still outright deny they're excited - I've seen this many times with girlfriends. Women are mostly ignorant to their own arousal, unfortunately. Men can tell when we're excited; we just look down or we feel it bel…
/r/PurplePillDebate18/07/26 09:39 AM
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So this is a complaint that you're not getting anywhere on dating apps (like 99% of men) and you being passive while no women approach you, which you heard (wrongly) happens often? Why not just go out and cold approach yourself like every other guy here? Passively waiting around for women to approach you I'm a majority white city makes no sense.
/r/seduction15/07/26 01:37 AM
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Of western men - the British Isles, all the countries the British isles settled in (US, Can, Australia, NZ), Scandinavia, Germanic countries, Francophone countries. That's western Europe and western people - noe what other group of men would you prefer over them?
/r/PurplePillDebate11/07/26 04:12 PM
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Well, now you know the actual definition to answer the question.
/r/PurplePillDebate11/07/26 04:08 PM
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How is wanting to find out how western men can improve based on other groups of men racist? I think that's reasonable - do you have any suggestions?
/r/PurplePillDebate11/07/26 03:40 PM
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Well as per my post - the preference for western men is in their physical looks AND behaviour. If you think all other races of people can act and look exactly like ethnically western people, you'd be in a very small group of people.
/r/PurplePillDebate11/07/26 03:38 PM
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See my other post on this forum.
/r/PurplePillDebate11/07/26 03:35 PM
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Yeah, please refer to my other post about how literally everyone refers to western people.
/r/PurplePillDebate11/07/26 03:34 PM
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So there's no groups of men that do anything better than western men that western men can learn from? Or are you just saying you simply prefer the best of western men only?
/r/PurplePillDebate11/07/26 03:33 PM
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Did you read the post - specifically the bottom half? So you prefer western men or you don't? It sounds like you're saying you prefer thr top western men - is that right?
/r/PurplePillDebate11/07/26 03:32 PM
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Great question - it refers specifically to their physical appearance, culture and abilities in the post. I don't think he obviously appears to be Western european and I would argue he doesn't really act like one, I'm sure he'd admit that himself.
/r/PurplePillDebate11/07/26 03:27 PM
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Read my post on this forum to see the definition for the american no child left behind educated here.
/r/PurplePillDebate11/07/26 03:21 PM
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Ok, so as per the post - which group(s) of men could western men learn from to improve exactly? Which groups do better and why?
/r/PurplePillDebate11/07/26 03:20 PM
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So what group of men do you see as objectively less problematic than western men? Surely there must be if there's so many complaints about western men? What other groups of men can western men learn from to improve?
/r/PurplePillDebate11/07/26 03:18 PM
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Thank you for sharing and reading the post. Can you share how other groups are problematic or why western men are preferable?
/r/PurplePillDebate11/07/26 03:15 PM
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Oh yes it was for you evidently - I was educated in Australia where our education standards are much higher. Still couldn't consult a map and find western Europe or who the people are from there and the countries they settled in? Lol No child left behind did a number on you - they let anyone pass through school these days in the USA.
/r/PurplePillDebate11/07/26 03:14 PM
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So you do prefer western men over any other group of non-western men now or in the past? Why turn this around and answer a question with a question? Western Men (and non-western men) don't expect women to act that way - and the often lament it.
/r/PurplePillDebate11/07/26 03:11 PM
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Did you read the post? Which non-western men specifically are preferable (as a group) and why exactly?
/r/PurplePillDebate11/07/26 03:04 PM
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Yeah, poor American Education strikes again. Western Countries = People of Western European descent and the places they settled or are indigenous to. Has nothing to do with first world or not. Southern Europeans aren't western - perhaps northern Italy but certainly not the south.
/r/PurplePillDebate11/07/26 03:01 PM
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How do you think? That is was established and has been a majority of people from Western Europe. Americans really have a poor education.
/r/PurplePillDebate11/07/26 02:55 PM
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Dutch us western mate. Just name some groups of men that are better?
/r/PurplePillDebate11/07/26 02:54 PM
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Lol yiu're just not too bright if you can't look at Europe and go west.
/r/PurplePillDebate11/07/26 02:51 PM
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Lol yeah you're not too smart or can't read.
/r/PurplePillDebate11/07/26 02:50 PM
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None of that - it's great you like non-western men, there's alot more available and you have alot more choice.
/r/PurplePillDebate11/07/26 02:41 PM
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So which other non-western men are better then and less abusive?
/r/PurplePillDebate11/07/26 02:37 PM
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The world map mate.
/r/PurplePillDebate11/07/26 02:35 PM
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Half (the Austrian half) if they also grow up in a western country.
/r/PurplePillDebate11/07/26 02:35 PM
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If you think that - you don't understand what ethnically means or where western Europe is. Nobody thinks Italy is in Western Europe, especially maps.
/r/PurplePillDebate11/07/26 02:34 PM
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Sure, well you're welcome to other non-western men - there's billions of them out there.
/r/PurplePillDebate11/07/26 02:33 PM
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Ok, so you don't know what countries are in Western Europe? Or you don't prefer them?
/r/PurplePillDebate11/07/26 02:24 PM
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Are they ethnically from Western Europe - then not western.
/r/PurplePillDebate11/07/26 02:23 PM
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Western women keep complaining about western men - but when asked, prefer western men over every other group of men in the world now and in history. So it seems they want more than they're favourite and best preferred.
/r/PurplePillDebate11/07/26 02:22 PM
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So what groups are less abusive (as a whole) than western men right now in the world?
/r/PurplePillDebate11/07/26 02:20 PM
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Lol ok bud - we know Western men are preferred by most women. Good try though
/r/PurplePillDebate11/07/26 02:20 PM
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What countries do you think are in Western Europe?
/r/PurplePillDebate11/07/26 02:19 PM
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White americans are (mostly) ethnically Western Europeans, same with Canadians, Australians and New Zealanders. That's the English speaking western world.
/r/PurplePillDebate11/07/26 02:17 PM
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Nope - they're mixed with native americans and they're a small part Spanish - which is SOUTHERN European, not western European. So many americans don't even understand what western people are, evidently.
/r/PurplePillDebate11/07/26 02:16 PM
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So you prefer western men. Those other groups can't be western men because they aren't ethnically - so they don't have the appearance of western men in looks, genetics, etc.
/r/PurplePillDebate11/07/26 02:14 PM
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"In totality" as above is not pure looks. Did you read any of the previous comment? Lol mate, I think you need to go back and re-read.
/r/PurplePillDebate11/07/26 02:12 PM
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So the dozens of other non-western men you've met in your entire life were of no interest I'm any capacity? Black men, Latin men, Eastern European men, etc. Or any place you travelled?
/r/PurplePillDebate11/07/26 02:02 PM
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Well white men in America of western European ethnicity are western men, and you said you prefer them. If you don't - which group of men do you prefer on the whole?
/r/PurplePillDebate11/07/26 01:51 PM
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It's not my definition and everyone should know this or easily look it up: People of Western European ethnicity AND culture. Do you know who and where western Europe is or do I need to explain that like you've never heard of it.
/r/PurplePillDebate11/07/26 01:49 PM
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Not my definition - the definition is Western (European) people of ethnicity and culture. A Latin american who moved to New York is neither ethnically or culturally. The physical looks of western men are part of this in totality.
/r/PurplePillDebate11/07/26 01:48 PM
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So you prefer western men on the whole - been though you've met plenty of non-western men Africans aren't ethnically from Western Europe - it seems like people don't understand what western people are.
/r/PurplePillDebate11/07/26 01:45 PM
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Yeah, you prefer Hispanic men - they aren't western men in any way or shape. Western People = Ethnically from Western European countries So they're your preference - why not just answer that.
/r/PurplePillDebate11/07/26 01:43 PM
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So you've never travelled to a non-western country or met any men in your country who aren't ethnically western and culturally western anywhere? So you're an american living the middle of nowhere that's never travelled?
/r/PurplePillDebate11/07/26 01:26 PM
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Right, so what's your history of relationships with mostly - western men or non-western men (if non-western - which non-western)? Most women seem to be answering that they prefer western men to other non-western men (on the whole) or rather that most men women find attractive happen to "coindidently" be western men. So is that you also? If not, which other group have you typically found yourself preferencing in the past?
/r/PurplePillDebate11/07/26 01:24 PM
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So you're 60years old+ then? Ok, you're an out of touch boomer. So most women do prefer western men (even non-western women) and you do aswell and realized they were your best options and married one years ago. Good for you.
/r/PurplePillDebate11/07/26 01:15 PM
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Answer the question first and I'll answer all your questions: Which particular non-western men are preferable to western men, in your personal opinion? I made a post waiting for approval.
/r/PurplePillDebate11/07/26 12:56 PM
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Yeah, not western technically. Because they don't look like western - and looks are included in how they are, in totality. Behaviour, abilities, physical appearance, wealth, etc.
/r/PurplePillDebate11/07/26 12:54 PM
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No, what group - be specific. There, I asked a specific question. Western men are from western countries, ethnically and culturally. So are you referring to East Asian, south-east Asian, South Asian, Slavic, Other Eastern Euro, etc.?
/r/PurplePillDebate11/07/26 12:51 PM
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That's sour grapes then. So you're not staying single - you settled because you came to your senses with western men and realised you didn't want men in non-western countries. Very curious
/r/PurplePillDebate11/07/26 12:49 PM
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Both - do you not know what western men are? Which other groups of men do you prefer over western men as a group?
/r/PurplePillDebate11/07/26 12:41 PM
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Which specific non-western men are you referring to though? So you as a man are more attracted to this group of non-western men or are you speaking on behalf of women (as a man)and what women find more attractive in looks, abilities, behaviour, wealth, etc.?
/r/PurplePillDebate11/07/26 12:33 PM
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On all attributes in total between western men and any other non-western male group: Behaviour, abilities, Looks, wealth, etc.
/r/PurplePillDebate11/07/26 12:21 PM
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So why make a long answer if you can't answer? And it doesn't sound like you:'be travelled at all nor met many foreign people in your own home.
/r/PurplePillDebate11/07/26 11:51 AM
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Lol western women aren't though - they're desperate. You saying that like it's a negotiation and you're hardballing is hilarious though. And that's why men go overseas to other women who western men are their highest preference or women lower their standards (lowering to the best men in history lol). Do you see how this works now?
/r/PurplePillDebate11/07/26 11:30 AM
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We don't really need to improve - western women have no other choice but us (as a whole) and most other non-western women choose us aswell, overwhelmingly. So you see why complaining about western men is futile?
/r/PurplePillDebate11/07/26 11:14 AM
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Right, so western men are the largest or worst perpetrators of this behaviour in the world (as a group) in comparison to other non-western men? Do you want to check the stats on that or should we leave it there?
/r/PurplePillDebate11/07/26 11:11 AM
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Yeah, western men are your preference - and we're the highest preference of any many in history - according to these women here. But if you admit that - and you admit western women STILL want more than the best men in the world and in history - I looks threatening to western women and their beliefs, doesn't it? Or do you have another answer?
/r/PurplePillDebate11/07/26 11:08 AM
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It's refreshing to hear you admit that western men are the most preferable men in the WORLD now and even the highest preference in recorded history - but western women (like yourself) demand and expect more. Why progress to doing things outside of our masculine nature? That's what western women are asking for. Like you said, why would we need to give more when western men are the highest preference in the world now and in history? We literally have no competition from anywhere in the world or in…
/r/PurplePillDebate11/07/26 10:45 AM
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So your opinion is that western men are preferable to you personally? Why don't you prefer non-western men over western men? Good to hear - so race-based bias is ok then, surely they wouldn't care or wouldn't affect them much, right? Just being disliked due to bias or excluded - doesn't sound so bad.
/r/PurplePillDebate11/07/26 10:39 AM
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So, you as a woman, do you prefer western men over all other non-western men - if not, why?
/r/PurplePillDebate11/07/26 10:37 AM
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So you didn't answer which non-western men are preferable to western men in totality - in your personal individual opinion in your own life? And it's hatred when it's to do with race but not when women "strongly dislike" men, as per the survey?
/r/PurplePillDebate11/07/26 09:58 AM
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Ok, so you admit western men are the preference and it sounds like western women disliking western men (their highest preference) are pricing themselves out of the dating/relationship market by asking for more - when they already have "the most" with western men. How can western men get better - compared to western women's expectations of better being the fantasy ideal of perfection, is that correct? It must be the perfect fantasy ideal if no other men in history have already done it, right? If …
/r/PurplePillDebate11/07/26 09:51 AM
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So all those men you mentioner (including UK, Ireland, Canada, Australia, NZ) are western men - what other non-western men are preferable then and why?
/r/PurplePillDebate11/07/26 09:45 AM
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So are western men your personal preference then? It is relevant because if western women dislike western men - who do they like better and why? Who are western women comparing western men to exactly and what attributes are western men missing that other non-western men have? It sounds like western women are pricing themselves out of the market if they dislike western men but don't prefer any other non-western men?
/r/PurplePillDebate11/07/26 09:44 AM
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So what evidence is there for all your claims in the post first?
/r/PurplePillDebate11/07/26 09:41 AM
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Right so you're saying they're just similar to you? What about non-western men born in your country? Also, why do so many non-western women also preference western men above every other group of men, in your opinion, especially when they're so different to those women culturally?
/r/PurplePillDebate11/07/26 09:06 AM
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But they recorded the most sexual activity in that time frame - so it's objectively true, there's nothing to argue against. What's your motivation to oppose it?
/r/PurplePillDebate11/07/26 09:04 AM
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You just said East Asian men are "a good option" (in totality) to Western men - but not actually "preferable" to Western men - just second place in preference? This is your personal opinion - so you think in totality that western men are preferable? If so, why are western men preferable?
/r/PurplePillDebate11/07/26 09:00 AM
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How does it not dispute what you said then?
/r/PurplePillDebate11/07/26 08:57 AM
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Ok, so you personally think western men are the most preferable men in the world in comparison to all other groups of non-western men. That's out of the way. When you ask for western men to get better - who and what are western men (I'm a western man) supposed to get better than and how (when we're already the highest preference)? Why would we need to get better when we're already the top preference and what better do you want - better meaning: the fantasy ideal perfection in a dream better?
/r/PurplePillDebate11/07/26 08:56 AM
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Ok, so which non-western men are preferable (in totality of their attributes) to western men and why? Your personal opinion of what you've seen yourself, not other women. On strong negative dislike: So if someone (of any race) says they have strongly negative dislike of black Americans and therefore don't want to deal with them or be near them - is that hatred or disappointment - in your personal opinion?
/r/PurplePillDebate11/07/26 08:52 AM
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So which non-western men are preferable (in totality - behaviour, looks, etc.) to western men? There must be men you're personally are comparing us to to dislike western men - you must think there are other men preferable (in totality)? Or are you just comparing western men to falling short on ideal perfect behaviour? Which is it?
/r/PurplePillDebate11/07/26 08:48 AM
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Ok, but it is relevant to compare western men to other non-western men - who is more preferable in your opinion? How can western men get better in comparison to other non-western men so western men are less hated? I think everyone thinks this is a valid question - or are western men being compared to an ideal perfection version of men that doesn't exist?
/r/PurplePillDebate11/07/26 08:40 AM
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So you think East Asian men are better in totality - if adding up everything together: Behaviour, Physical looks, status, career, wealth, etc. - you personally think East Asian men are better than western men? We're referring to large groups here. How could you see western men including being like east Asian men to be better - what would western men need to do to be the same or better than East Asian men? And you're a woman of what race and nationality?
/r/PurplePillDebate11/07/26 08:29 AM
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I asked you in the previous comment about you and your personal specific individual opinion on which non-western men (in the world now) are preferable (in totality) to western men, so can you answer that? Giving your assessment and speaking for or on behalf of other women - we already know non-western women prefer western men, no need to repeat that.
/r/PurplePillDebate11/07/26 07:05 AM
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You just basically said "it depends" and didn't answer? What non-western men in the world now are better than western men (in totality), in your personal individual opinion and why? I'm curious to know.
/r/PurplePillDebate11/07/26 06:58 AM
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So do you think there are any non-western men in the world who are better or preferable to western men? If western men behave so badly - who do you think western men should take an example of and behave more like another group of men? I'm genuinely curious if there's better men and why.
/r/PurplePillDebate11/07/26 06:55 AM
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So which non-western men are better (in totality) and why specifically are they better? In your personal specific opinion? Or are you saying western men are the most preferable? You just said non-western women believe lies about western men - what lies do they believe and how did they come to believe those lies - whats the source of those lies they believe? Do you think those non-western women have more preferable men and why?
/r/PurplePillDebate11/07/26 06:52 AM
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Women get a boost of testosterone at the last stage of her fertility window - which some medical research claiming this to be women's "sexual prime" because women become more amourous and seeking sexual partners at this stage: but women's heightened testosterone in their 30's is essentially the dying throes of a woman's fertility shooting hail Mary's for the round of children This testosterone boost in women also correlates with women divorcing men more (looking for greener pastures) or cheating…
/r/PurplePillDebate11/07/26 06:45 AM
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I'm curious - which non-western men are better than western men in the world now and why? Is there any men that are wholly better?
/r/PurplePillDebate11/07/26 06:23 AM
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I'm curious - do you think there's any non-western men preferable to western men in the world? If so, who and why are these other men preferable?
/r/PurplePillDebate11/07/26 06:16 AM
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I'm curious - do you think western men are the most hateful/misogynistic towards women in the world or in history? Additionally, I'm curious which non-western men are preferable in the world right now and why?
/r/PurplePillDebate11/07/26 06:13 AM
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Why do you think women strongly dislike western men and what groups of non-western men are better, in your opinion? And women have choices and agency - so don't reply that men have forced you to think thoughts. Which other men are preferable and why?
/r/PurplePillDebate11/07/26 06:10 AM
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What is hate other than being highly negative emotionally? Literally has the same meaning. Why don't you engage with why women feel negatively without what-boutisms? Why do women have an EXTREME dislike for men in the west? And don't reply that it's mens fault - adult women have agency and choice and their thoughts aren't being held at gunpoint by men. Western men are also the most (or some of the most) desirable men in the world to NON-western women who do like western men. So why do you think …
/r/PurplePillDebate11/07/26 06:08 AM
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Why don't you give some reasons why that study reported this about women and engage with the topic? Rather than diverting into whataboutisms about men or irrelevant topics? Or do you think men are forcing women gunpoint to not like men and women have no other choices in their own agency (implying western women have no agent over their thoughts - only what men force on them?) And what non-western men are preferable to you and why? Who's better, I'm actually curious.
/r/PurplePillDebate11/07/26 06:02 AM
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No answer is just a concession that feminism is about re-directing as much resources away from males to females and limiting female competition.
/r/PurplePillDebate10/07/26 05:14 PM
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So you have no evidence to support your points - I think we all knew that. Additionally, already done.
/r/PurplePillDebate09/07/26 01:56 PM
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Could you post the link or evidence of large-scale observation of their actions - there is already one that supports my point in online dating.
/r/PurplePillDebate09/07/26 12:49 PM
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Never made this argument mate - respond to the comments I actually made directly with direct counter-arguments that are relevant
/r/PurplePillDebate09/07/26 12:32 PM
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How old are you? I've seen it myself many times over the years and supported in data of peoples actions. Oops, proven wrong. Lol Where is your data coming from?
/r/PurplePillDebate09/07/26 12:23 PM
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Lol what!? I never made that argument mate - who are you responding to?
/r/PurplePillDebate09/07/26 12:21 PM
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Yes I do - under-rate themselves in comparison to their actual relationship appeal to others, yes. Do you not understand what rating means in this topic and context?
/r/PurplePillDebate09/07/26 12:19 PM
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She's been doing it for years and mods do nothing (for some reason) Just a bitter sour grapes troll who only spews nastiness and wild claims - usually to support extreme lop-sided feminist talking points.
/r/PurplePillDebate09/07/26 12:10 PM
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If you selectively followed things you saw and read - that's your fault, not theirs. People are selective about what they follow. I know women I've grown up with that said "I was taught this and that and this other thing" I was there and they were taught a bunch of other things that they ignored because it wasn't accompanied by the "correct" emotions or didn't have the correct consensus. Many women forget they ignored so many other much better things they were taught. You get "taught" things eve…
/r/PurplePillDebate09/07/26 12:04 PM
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She constantly makes wild claims with no evidence herself and dismisses any evidence against what she says or diverts to another topic. Why does anyone let her post on this forum? Just a bizarre contrarian troll.
/r/PurplePillDebate09/07/26 11:53 AM
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Women are consensus-seekers and consensus-followers - that is how they make many decisions and choose the framework for their behaviour. Men already picked by (attractive) women = Safe Consensus (of value/safety/sexuality/resources, etc.) + Beating the consensus to have more status by taking you from your gf/wife In addition to emotions where she can compete like high jealousy and envy about you and towards your gf/wife. You're making it more complicated than it should be.
/r/PurplePillDebate09/07/26 11:50 AM
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So you think self-reports are better than largescale tracking of actions? Lol, I think we can all infer you guys only want studies that support your point of view. Please show me actual tracking of actions - not self-reported surveys with no tracking of actions.
/r/PurplePillDebate09/07/26 11:38 AM
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You've lost it mate lol, no point in responding to this nonsense.
/r/PurplePillDebate09/07/26 11:36 AM
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This makes no sense in the context of western (english-speaking) countries, where most of us here are from. You're projecting something very cultural/religious from your country and it doesn't apply elsewhere. Women in western countries are a lot more individualist in their thinking (not completely, but certainly significantly more than non-western countries, as proven in a recent large study of 17 countries).
/r/seduction09/07/26 11:34 AM
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So how exactly do you think women view themselves for relationships then? Why not start there.
/r/PurplePillDebate09/07/26 07:30 AM
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That's not proof - the best proof in is ACTIONS (not self-reporting surveys like that yougov survey). We saw the responses from online dating and women's actual real life choices there - so those are much better informed with women's ratings, who they choose and how often and there are so many more people involved in the online dating statistics (which aren't self-reported surveys they can be dishonest with).
/r/PurplePillDebate09/07/26 07:30 AM
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You really have no idea what this topic is and don't understand what I said.
/r/PurplePillDebate09/07/26 07:27 AM
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So it's impossible that women's rating of themselves is a lie? You've never met several women who over-rate themselves while rarely meeting men who do - in fact many men who under-rate themselves? You know surveys where they ASK people for direct answers about themselves are prone to lies, right?
/r/PurplePillDebate09/07/26 04:49 AM
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Ok, sources outside reddit please. Did you read it in a book or a study or just your own anecdotal experience? Provide links if you have them.
/r/PurplePillDebate09/07/26 04:25 AM
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So tell us how women in the western world view themselves then and hw they reached that point. You won't answer this though - it'll be another re-direct like you just did.
/r/PurplePillDebate09/07/26 04:18 AM
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So how exactly do you think women view themselves for relationships then? Why not start there.
/r/PurplePillDebate09/07/26 04:17 AM
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Not true - but provide sources to support that please or where you read that or even got that idea.
/r/PurplePillDebate09/07/26 04:16 AM
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I think it's more that women get attention from men and when a certain amount of attention accrues - women believe this makes them attractive to men for relationships - because women misinterpret mens attention based on her own beliefs, rather than reality. So it's women attention signals misinterpretation from men that drives these beliefs of her "specialness" that never materialises. Women go out of their way to garner the most amount of attention they can with just being out in front of peopl…
/r/PurplePillDebate09/07/26 03:15 AM
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I think it's more that women get attention from men and when a certain amount of attention accrues - women believe this makes them attractive to men for relationships - because women misinterpret mens attention based on her own beliefs, rather than reality. So it's women attention signals misinterpretation from men that drives these beliefs of her "specialness" that never materialises. Women go out of their way to garner the most amount of attention they can with just being out in front of peopl…
/r/PurplePillDebate09/07/26 03:15 AM
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Why not talk about the topic rather than divert & re-direct back to men? Are you scared to talk about this topic directed towards women? Why? I bet your reply will be re-directing right back to men again instead of engaging with the topic.
/r/PurplePillDebate09/07/26 03:08 AM
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Please show the evidence for how women are emotionally stimulated by money and social status of men (they aren't, never have been and you can ask as many women this as you like) You have some very odd beliefs and they didn't come from real life proof or from something you read - you made them up in your own mind and nobody corrected you. I'm doing you a favour. Feel free to post any research that support anything you said or where you read it even.
/r/PurplePillDebate09/07/26 12:20 AM
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Women care about getting emotions and experienced emotions now and in the future more than anything. Status and Money are social proof to women - it doesn't bring emotions but it's a weaker form of value and influence on their decisions. Confidence is doing difficult things & choices while being relaxed. Women's emotions are stimulated by men doing difficult things while being relaxed. Are you putting together the pieces yet? It's all one and the same that women want (emotions). Yeah, you really…
/r/PurplePillDebate08/07/26 02:18 PM
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You clearly have no authority on this subject and it's frankly laughably wrong that you're writing like you do. I never said it was "the norm" - the examples I gave all make the same conclusion: women care about emotions (in their own life outside men and in dating) - and how men make them feel and how often they make them feel. Who told you women feel emotions from looks and status? Please show me some sources for this claim - it's so silly it's hilarious. I know a woman didn't tell you this (o…
/r/PurplePillDebate08/07/26 04:22 AM
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You just repeated what I said in a different way. I think you're projecting your own preference for looks onto women. There's plenty of average guys that do well with women (because of how they make women feel), I know one very unattractive guy who does well with ladies - but he's certainly uncommon. I don't think you really understand that women are attracted to men based on the emotions she feels and how rare he is (in many ways, mostly his behaviour). Having money is a useful resource and a r…
/r/PurplePillDebate08/07/26 02:54 AM
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Being dependable and boring is a really common trait in many men that are options - and it's not attractive to them because it's so easy to achieve this in a modern 1st world country. Yes, women want men that emotionally stimulate them (because its rare) - but when they choose them, those men often are unpredictable and inconsistant (which is also attractive to women) - but can cause other issues in his life sometimes, but not always. Listening to womens common complaints about men and using tha…
/r/PurplePillDebate08/07/26 01:11 AM
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Yeah, you sound really young and don't really understand the definitions of the words I'm writing. As in, why would an attractive woman choose you for common behaviour? If 60%+ (it's far more) of the men that want to date her are dependable, responsible, blah blah boring - then it's a common feature and not rare. So those things don't help you in dating, I'm sure you must know this by now. If male traits and behaviour that are common and easy to achieve - they're not attractive to women. Just li…
/r/PurplePillDebate07/07/26 04:49 PM
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I never said a woman needs to be "earned" - can you point to where that's said. You understand that attractive women hava choice of men though right? Stable, dependable, responsible blah blah is most men in the western world - guys like this are common and around every corner. It's easy to be that, which is why women don't really care about it. It also doesn't stimulate her at all. Why would an attractive woman with many options choose a man with the most common easy to aquire traits among men i…
/r/PurplePillDebate07/07/26 04:15 PM
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I don't think you're truly understanding what I'm saying: Strong men (to women) = Men who take a lot of risks/unpredictable (same thing) and relaxed while doing it It's not "proving anything" - the evidence of these risks taken in the past will be evident in your life - you're framing this as if they are performative and only risk taking in front of women - which just isn't enough. You have to lead your life taking alot of risks and making the hardest decisions and doing it while being relaxed a…
/r/PurplePillDebate07/07/26 03:05 PM
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Look, I think you did a better more in-depth answers than others here - but it doesn't truly answer the questions this thread poses. How and why? What about the yearning and the tension that gets you emotional? How do they effectively write yearning and tension that gets the emotions? Why the world-building and how does that affect a woman's emotions or sexuality? Men comparatively don't need that. What exactly is the mental & emotional foreplay and why/how is it that? You guys just keep endless…
/r/PurplePillDebate07/07/26 02:31 PM
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You just admitted it's not luck - it's choosing to not make difficult decisions/take risks (the same thing). Being Shy = Not Taking Risks/Being weak (in all situations with other people) Do you think women should reward weak men - is that what you're saying? Why would they?
/r/PurplePillDebate07/07/26 02:24 PM
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Yeah Lillith just spewing unsupported claims with spiteful envy daily. Ask her for any support of her wild claims - she never has any. How tiring.
/r/PurplePillDebate07/07/26 09:07 AM
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So you think women don't care about a man's behaviour at all or how it makes her feel, her own response to his behaviour? You think women only care about a mans looks and don't care about his behaviour? That's a very shallow way of looking at women. I think you want to believe this because you don't want to taka risks and you believe good looking men don't ever have to take any risks with women and women just throw themselves at him - is that right?
/r/PurplePillDebate07/07/26 09:03 AM
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So you're implying that women don't care about men's behaviour, how it makes her feel and how she responds and how others respond to that man? That makes it sound like women are enormously shallow and only like men for purely physical looks and resources, which is extremely dark and simply not true.
/r/PurplePillDebate07/07/26 04:20 AM
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So you're implying women don't care about men's behaviour or how that behaviour makes them feel and respond? That's a very shallow view of women, do you have any evidence for that?
/r/PurplePillDebate07/07/26 04:14 AM
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They liked you after they experienced your behaviour over time. Women like men's behaviour and how that behaviour makes her feel and act as a response. Surely nobody should be surprised by this. When men meet women, ideally we want to compress the timeframe of what women see in our behaviour and how it makes them feel, but it's not always possible.
/r/PurplePillDebate07/07/26 04:11 AM
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Yes there is: do difficult things that are positive & unpredictable while constantly being relaxed doing them. People aren't charismatic not because they don't know how - even when they know how, it's really difficult. This is the same as talking to women - even when guys know or learn, it's really tough to do consistantly and takes a lot of focus and practice, intelligence and energy.
/r/PurplePillDebate07/07/26 04:04 AM
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Sure, doing trial and error is a risk though. Most guys I see complaining refuse to even try anything - or they try it once (truly, only one time) and think it's a fail and never do it again, ever.
/r/PurplePillDebate07/07/26 04:01 AM
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Well yes, it's a risk to be taken for sure. This is why guys that take risks with women have alot of dating options.
/r/PurplePillDebate07/07/26 02:31 AM
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It goes both directions obviously.
/r/PurplePillDebate07/07/26 02:20 AM
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I think it's hard to grasp for these guys who are scared to take risks with women - there are many good looking, tall, well spoken good guys with great jobs that struggle with women. You don't need to see ugly guys do well, you just need to see good looking men struggle. Why do they struggle? The same reason most men do: they refuse to take risks to meet women and are boring and don't take risks talking to them or touching them or saying something that may or may not be funny or too nervous to h…
/r/PurplePillDebate07/07/26 02:14 AM
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The main character Bear is a weak, selfish (weak), cowardly (weak), passive (weak) person who is so self-involved (because he's weak) and has so little consideration for others (also weak) that he passively & secretly (weak) magics a woman into wanting him. The story is about how a weak passive man passived himself into violence and tragedy. It's a BLARING warning about the danger of you as a man being so weak and passive and the extreme metaphor for it's results. The director is clearly warning…
/r/PurplePillDebate06/07/26 01:05 PM
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Yes, women don't want to be chased in the West - it's makes you look low-value. Ideally, she has to FEEL like she's chasing you, even if she actually isn't or if she is - she needs to feel, see and acknowledge she's chasing you. Too many women lose interest in men because she feels like she's being chased.
/r/seduction04/07/26 08:20 AM
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Being good or bad is separate from difficult bold actions. The intention or goal of the outcome of those bold actions is what changes. Doing difficult bold risk-taking actions that are only good, limits the scope, availability, ability of those bold actions and their outcomes. Usually the outcomes are productive at least for himself, and often for others subsequently. Bad guys taking risks might just be taking bold tisks to entertain themselves at the expense of others - it's a bold difficult ri…
/r/PurplePillDebate04/07/26 07:49 AM
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Can you name any ways that feminism doesn't do the above?
/r/PurplePillDebate04/07/26 04:10 AM
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Taking Bold Risks = Taking very hard actions + Making hard decisions (constantly & consistently) If you wake up every day and all you do is hard things and hard decisions - all day every day, you'll be winning in life. Most losers wake up every day and never make hard decisions or do hard things - until the world passively forces them to do hard things and it's so much worse and they often take the easiest path even when that decision is presented. Your comment was far too long and rambled - "it…
/r/PurplePillDebate04/07/26 04:08 AM
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Lol the point of this post is exactly the question I'm asking - everyone in the world knows women enjoy and are entertained by romance. Further, most people already know women emotionally stimulated by romance media. What we want to know is: exactly what about them stimulates women and exactly what mechanism that is and why it stimulates them? Romance is far more popular than any other media genre with women - so it's doing something different to other media. So what is it doing? What is your ow…
/r/PurplePillDebate04/07/26 04:00 AM
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Porn is irrelevant - you can look up studies about it, and men don't derive emotions from porn like women derive emotions from romance. Why don't you answer for yourself - you're not an expert so what you said is a terrible guess, a best. Romance is the most consumed books and media by women - and far more is spent on it. So it's clearly giving women more or different emotional emotional experience. So what mechanism in the novels give them those emotional experiences that they can't get elsewhe…
/r/PurplePillDebate03/07/26 04:57 PM
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She's going for men out of her league - the early sex is incidental and irrelevant. Plenty of couples get married after having sex on the first or second date, it's common.
/r/PurplePillDebate03/07/26 04:12 PM
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Sure it is - if you're a beginner who isn't seductive and didn't touch or physically escalate with women or escalate compliance - sure. I'm guessing you rarely physically escalate until much later or when she gives you a clear go-ahead right? I'm guessing you didn't escalate compliance either? And this was especially true when you were doing indirect, am I right?
/r/seduction03/07/26 03:58 PM
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I would say it would be: Good men who are bold risk-takers > bad men who are bold risk-takers > bad men who don't take bold risks > good men who don't take bold risks The above is why men mistakenly believe most women are attracted to toxic men: they actually like men who take bold risks. Unfortunately, good men who take bold risks (consistently) are the rarest of the above categories of men because it's so difficult - there's alot more bad men who take risks than good men who do. Being a good m…
/r/PurplePillDebate03/07/26 03:54 PM
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Literally all the other claims you made in your post and comments. Victimhood is also just weakness - men don't like the weakness of victimhood in women either, weakness is just ugly no matter where. The difference is, most of the claims of women's victimhood are exaggerated or untrue and mens are actually understated.
/r/PurplePillDebate03/07/26 03:29 PM
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Mate, you can avoid her looking at you as a friend by physical escalation - I said this in another comment. You're going to need to touch her anyway - this is enough to communicate you're not her friend, have no intention of friendship, it's a seduction, bold, confident, gets her aroused - and it's so much faster and doesn't get her off-side or you rejected. Direct is silly and over the top compared to just some physical escalation. What you're saying - no-one believes: time = investment. I've n…
/r/seduction03/07/26 03:25 PM
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Lol men don't watch porn for that reason mate - look it up, there's plenty of research on this. The fantasy? Women get emotions from those romance novels (or any romance media) - what we're asking for is what CAUSES those emotions, what is the mechanism and why is that the mechanism. So many women here seem honestly clueless about how they get emotionally stimulated - even after viewing so much romance based media.
/r/PurplePillDebate03/07/26 03:18 PM
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Ok, you made the post - so you prove your claims in the post and these comments first Then I'll be happy to give you ALL the sources you need and more. Lol and when you reply with zero proof for any claim you've made in this topic &(you'll predictably re-direct to something or ask a question back) - we'll all see and know eveything you've said is false. Go ahead - I bet you won't prove even one lol
/r/PurplePillDebate03/07/26 03:14 PM
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So where are two examples of what feminism does that doesn't conform to the 2 rules of feminism I stated above?
/r/PurplePillDebate03/07/26 03:11 PM
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So you answered the first part as - I feel emotion because I feel emotions with the character. Yeah, we know sweetheart, - this is very obvious and not really answering. Ok, so what exactly are they writing about the man and the tension that makes you emotional and how? I genuinely don't think any woman here actually knows why they get emotional about anything because these answers are woeful. What if it's not a man but a werewolf, vampire, monster, minotaur, etc. Why do you feel it then? What m…
/r/PurplePillDebate03/07/26 06:03 AM
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Why not answer the question about women rather than diverting to men? This thread isn't about men, porn, etc. Men know why we watch porn, studies show why men do, very simple and already answered - check google. The unanswered question you keep diverting from is: what about romance novels (or media) stimulates women's emotions? There's no studies about this. Then women come here and don't answer, and then divert to irrelevant topics like men or other nonsense. Do you or any women even know why y…
/r/PurplePillDebate03/07/26 05:56 AM
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So you're not debating this or adding context whatsoever to this thread. So you've never got emotional or enjoyed ANY romance media in any medium ever in your life as a woman? That's a lie. Who cares about men and porn or how real? Lol how is that relevant? The men here are trying to find out how and why women are emotionally stimulated by this media so they can learn - and you're not helping at all, neither are most of the women replying.
/r/PurplePillDebate03/07/26 05:34 AM
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Mate, I get approached about 3-4 times per year and it was more when I went out more. But of those women, I would say only 10% of them were good looking (who I dated). I will say, I do get cold approached more at parties (not social circle) or during the day than at clubs. It's pointless dwelling on it happening, unreliable and moot. Cold approach women and have fun with it.
/r/seduction03/07/26 04:28 AM
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Women themselves seem to believe they are competing with men, at work and at school - and this spills over into relationships and dating. I've heard my sister says this (they're competing), female friends, girls trying to compete with men lifting at the gym. But men (me and any man I know or have heard of) have no interest in competing with women. It's nice when they do well, and men are certainly competing with other men but men compete with other men for direct and indirect method for women. S…
/r/PurplePillDebate03/07/26 04:21 AM
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Just go for Asian women and you'll find a lot more success. Secondly, yes you need to be able to relax while doing hard or bold things at all times. All these seduction methods won't help much or minimally, if you're not relaxed while doing hard bold actions. This is the bitter pill no men want to hear in seduction - it's actually really challenging to be relaxed in difficult situations consistently and then add women to that, harder. None of this is easy, but if you can do that and continue doi…
/r/seduction03/07/26 04:15 AM
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Why divert to men rather than talking about why and how, you personally as a woman, get that emotional stimulation from these romance novels, dark or light romance - doesn't matter.
/r/PurplePillDebate03/07/26 04:09 AM
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So you have no evidence then? Just say that and I'll return with mine as a response. You fill this forum with unproven claims daily - go on and prove anything you've claimed on this topic. You won't and you never will, you can only respond with nothing or diversions.
/r/PurplePillDebate03/07/26 04:08 AM
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So wouldn't indirect behaviour be more seductive to women? You said in your post that women know within seconds if they're attracted = women only seduced by looks Women know in less than a minute if she's interested = she's only looking at looks + body language (not enough time to judge much of anything else)
/r/seduction02/07/26 03:53 PM
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Firstly, all of the benefits of direct can all be done with some physical escalation and a frame or two (or ideally both) and gets you further, faster, more enjoyably with less rejection. This also removes any possibility of a 30 mins convo to nowhere. Congruence isn't an attraction signal, that's been misinterpreted: great relaxed body language that match the relaxed content of your words (both aspects are congruent). "Congruence" in seduction is about body language being seductive in line with…
/r/seduction02/07/26 03:48 PM
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Escalation gets it done better, easier, faster and further than being verbally direct - in finding out if she's interested.
/r/seduction02/07/26 03:13 PM
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So you're an Asian guy, in his 30's in Melbourne, Australia with heavy anxiety who plays xbox alot - have I got this right? You've got a tonne working against you there. What country are you from originally? Have you tried only approaching Asian women? I'm in Australia and I see Asian women do amazingly with Asian women, and an uphill challenge with other ethnic groups. If you're anxious and your body language and behaviour is stiff - you need to be relaxed doing hard things to get anywhere, it'…
/r/seduction02/07/26 03:07 PM
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You're the one implying only looks matter and seduction doesn't work. The people who promote direct (mostly) believe only looks can seduce women and seduction is either futile or too hard.
/r/seduction02/07/26 02:51 PM
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Right and how do you think you build attraction? Or are you saying it only matters if women think you're good looking and nothing else (aka seduction doesn't work)?
/r/seduction02/07/26 02:17 PM
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Yeah lol, I thought so
/r/seduction02/07/26 02:08 PM
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Please show any evidence of those claims. Great way to shut down any nonsense - bet you'll come back with nothing or try to divert from doing it any way you can, just like above.
/r/PurplePillDebate02/07/26 02:07 PM
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Haha looks like you're not that experienced.
/r/seduction02/07/26 02:04 PM
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Yeah, that works to be good looking. Are you implying that you can ONLY seduce women if you're good looking and no non-good looking men can seduce many women ever? Are you implying seduction doesn't work - and that looks only and solely works and nothing else?
/r/seduction02/07/26 02:03 PM
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Not more than me? Have you done 3000-5000 approaches in both direct and indirect and doing it for almost 20 years? Stay in your lane mate
/r/seduction02/07/26 02:01 PM
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Women and men aren't equal, most men and many women know this now and don't delude themselves - because it's unhealthy and causes mental health issues at best or dangerous at worse (like when women think they can fight men or physically confront them or worse).
/r/PurplePillDebate02/07/26 01:57 PM
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Prove all those claims please. How many and where based on what - show your sources.
/r/PurplePillDebate02/07/26 01:55 PM
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I've done both direct and indirect thousands of times, I know which one works. There's nothing to disagree with - I know because I'm obviously far more experienced. I know that a woman's attraction to a man isn't looks based, so bsad and continue believing that and getting less for it.
/r/seduction02/07/26 01:54 PM
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It's really irrelevant - men claim victimhood much less and the facts more than support it anytime they do. Women hate taking accountability for anything though, it hurts their emotions far too much to take any blame for any of their actions or lack of actions in this area. Keep crying wolf as women, the tide is already turning where literally nobody cared or believes anything women say about anything. I see men like this in my own life, just normal guys with families who won't believe a single …
/r/PurplePillDebate02/07/26 01:25 PM
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You saying this reveals you don't actually know what's attractive to women. Anyone who thinks all seduction is interchangeable and it doesn't matter what you do, because it's all about looks - then they don't want to do seduction or think it doesn't work.
/r/seduction02/07/26 01:20 PM
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Testosterone causes men to feel emotions less, be less affected by emotions and be much less aware of emotions in others. So I would say above a small amount, being emotional in general is a estrogen/low testosterone (read: feminine) behaviour. We can see this in the changes in women that transition to men with added testosterone and estrogen blockers - they all of the sudden (surprise) begin all the exact behaviours of men (the patriarchial allegedly "learned behaviours"). Do you all genuinely …
/r/PurplePillDebate02/07/26 01:12 PM
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Yeah, if women understood that "the girl who cried wolf" as a collective categorisation by men is already happening - they'll understand that almost all victimhood claimed by western women in future will be ignored, ridiculed, punished or worse. Hopefully, women will wise up and be alot more selective when claiming victimhood in future and other women will need to police it, before it's too late.
/r/PurplePillDebate02/07/26 12:59 PM
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Yeah good looking guys do well and so do non-good looking men that are seductive. Good looking don't really need to be seductive or much less so. Why even bother mentioning good looking men in relation to this topic and seduction? It's a dead end. Direct doesn't work well most times and is terrible if she's with anyone else and wastes alot of great opportunities out of pure laziness. It's low IQ no thinking nonsense. You've been taken by the rhetoric of Alan Roger Currie who barely did direct hi…
/r/seduction02/07/26 12:54 PM
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You just need to escalate to find that out - not be direct. You're using sledgehammer for something that can be easier, fun and has alot more success.
/r/seduction02/07/26 09:27 AM
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How do you think women become interested in men and are they ready to respond to you? It's not immediate, and even if it rarely is - women are risk averse. You're projecting your own process for interest in women, which is immediate and looks based. It isn't the same for women - which is why direct is a poor way to go. It's also useless with groups of women or if there's anyone with her.
/r/seduction02/07/26 09:24 AM
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It appears like it saves time, but actually costs you more time wasting opportunities and in groups with women that already like you. It's just the lazy no-thinking method with it's users justifying laziness with "time saved". Women (usually) need some exposure to you to see you as a non-threat & then feel some emotions. Direct doesn't really do either of those much or at all. It's better than doing nothing, but almost anything is better than direct.
/r/seduction02/07/26 05:10 AM
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Anything to avoid an answer - I asked what mechanism makes you feel it personally, because that's all you can answer. Why are you diverting to everyone else? Why would you think that's the question being asked in this post?
/r/PurplePillDebate01/07/26 03:40 PM
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I'll give you way more examples than that. But could you first tell me ALL of the ways feminism that doesn't conform to the goals I said feminism has above, or just two would be enough.
/r/PurplePillDebate01/07/26 02:51 PM
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No, I asked you the mechanism that LED you to feel those emotions, not the emotions themselves. Why did you feel those emotions, not a list of the emotions or words like adventure. If you were to guess how another new romance novel that you enjoy get you to feel deep emotional stimulation - what would they write in stories/plots/characters to lead you to those positive enjoyable emotions? So you didn't really understand the question.
/r/PurplePillDebate01/07/26 02:46 PM
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Lol reading all your replied and knowing they're not answering the question and now still continuing not to answer the question is ignoring what you write? Can you copy + paste where exactly you described the mechanism of how and why you were emotionally stimulated by romance novels or are you a not?
/r/PurplePillDebate01/07/26 06:15 AM
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Yeah, you have no idea why or how you respond emotionally to these romance novels and really can't answer this topic. Not sure why you even bothered to comment - you got repeatedly asked the same question in different ways and couldn't answer or diverted to something irrelevant. Well done
/r/PurplePillDebate01/07/26 05:49 AM
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Well, you can answer a single question. Repeated to you many different ways - you just divert it and ask questions back. If you do that at work consistently, you'd certainly be fired.
/r/PurplePillDebate01/07/26 05:47 AM
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All the studies and evidence says that women conform and are passive/risk averse in their biology (which is why women are this way all over the world for all of history). You understand women are passive/risk averse because of estrogen/low testosterone and men are more risk taking and take more action due to testosterone/low estrogen - right? People who think like you are ruining western countries blaming men for something women do from birth based on their biology and hormones. Even women trans…
/r/PurplePillDebate01/07/26 05:45 AM
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Lol do you really think this thread was asked for that answer you just gave. Entertained and excited? Wow, I'm sure that's why no studies can be done on this with women, it's that easy. Replied to your other comment - WHY and how (what mechanism) leads to feel those emotions?
/r/PurplePillDebate01/07/26 03:50 AM
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Lol yep we already know that. How and why did those novels get you to feel that and which parts specifically? Do you not understand the question or you just don't have the ability to answer?
/r/PurplePillDebate01/07/26 03:48 AM
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Really? Ok so you admit it was all your problem and responsibility the whole time, no matter what anyone told you and you chose to make those decisions? Great. So after admitting this to yourself - how many men did you cold approach for dating and how many of those were successful? Did you approach hundreds, thousands? Please share how much responsibility you took.
/r/PurplePillDebate01/07/26 03:46 AM
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A genuine meritocracy and no resources being redirected for the sole reason women's feelings might be hurt.
/r/PurplePillDebate01/07/26 03:43 AM
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Threat of violence by who and what type of man? Has any man you don't know ever been randomly violent to you in public? Are you saying women aren't naturally passive and always love taking the lead and taking risks more than men? Is that what you're asserting?
/r/PurplePillDebate01/07/26 03:42 AM
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Lol you get asked the same question repeatedly in different ways and with clarifications and you still continue to not answer it and misunderstand. You even said what you DON'T, which was surface level, instead of why and how you come to like things. You must be highly paid and be in a high level job with these thinking abilities, can't answer a question.
/r/PurplePillDebate01/07/26 03:39 AM
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Telling women to stop blaming others like their parents and men for "teaching them" - rather to take the responsibility on themselves and admit they naturally do that based in their own decisions? Half the men here don't say that and many men were directly TOLD by parents, teachers and female friends to be nice and that doesn't help in dating at all. Not taught, told repeatedly (and lied to(.
/r/PurplePillDebate01/07/26 03:37 AM
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Yes, they are more risk averse in general. You're correct - physically less risk averse is a different side of the same coin: they're physically more sensitive and weaker and more emotionally sensitive and weaker. Which causes them to have very low high risk aversion - ue to much higher emotional & physical consequences for them.
/r/PurplePillDebate01/07/26 03:33 AM
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Most women say people told them things or "taught them" and they NEVER did, literally never. Women will act passively as much as possible in all areas of their life, you and I both know that. Taking responsibility is fine, but blaming people you think "taught" you is not the way, but most women do this.
/r/PurplePillDebate30/06/26 05:23 PM
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Yeah, most of the advice your parents gave you was fine. But why did you continue to take it? Did you follow every small detail of advice your parents gave you about everything? Lol of course you didn't - you probably ignored alot of it or most of it and you still do now. Studies already show women are extremely risk averse (obviously, look around) and the reason: they're afraid of the emotional pain of rejection after, so don't do the action (thereby avoiding the emotional pain). All the stuff …
/r/PurplePillDebate30/06/26 04:53 PM
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How and why do you get emotionally stimulated from these romance novels? You describing how and why is the point of this thread.
/r/PurplePillDebate30/06/26 04:48 PM
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Are you deliberately being obtuse or are you a not? How and why do romance novels personally make you feel those emotions? Is that question hard to understand?
/r/PurplePillDebate30/06/26 04:47 PM
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So you think women and men have the exact same emotional responses to rejection - because men are as sensitive to emotions as women and women are as equally likely to take risks as a man? Is that what you're saying?
/r/PurplePillDebate30/06/26 03:31 PM
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Taught by who and how exactly? My sisters told me this years ago and we grew up in the same house with the same parents - my parents NEVER told them that once or even implied it, I asked them. My sisters couldn't tell me who exactly taught them and when either, neither could any other woman I've asked. Is it possible that women are just risk averse because if they fail/are rejected - the emotional fallout for her is very painful, as opposed to men who aren't as emotionally sensitive so are more …
/r/PurplePillDebate30/06/26 03:28 PM
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Socialised to be passive? No Women are passive no matter where and when they're born and who they grow up with. Ancient Greeks talked about women being passive, so did the bible. So all women in ALL of history were "socialised" the exact same way in different places all over the world?
/r/PurplePillDebate30/06/26 03:24 PM
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Right, so you don't feel any emotional responses from any types of romance novels/films/tv?
/r/PurplePillDebate30/06/26 03:18 PM
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Ok, pick the romance novel(s) that you personally had the strongest response to - then tell us here why and how you think those novel(s) got you to that response. If you don't know or have no idea about romance or don't like it - bugger off and stop responding to things you literally have no idea about.
/r/PurplePillDebate30/06/26 01:36 PM
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Just dodging again. You surely realise I meant ALL the romance novels you've read yourself and how and why you responded to them. Or don't you have the emotional intelligence to understand your own emotional response to the romance you've read yourself?
/r/PurplePillDebate30/06/26 01:33 PM
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How is "it's nice to feel special" - how and WHY you respond to ALL romance novels? A lot of very low IQ responses from women in this thread. Very low emotional intelligence women of reddit.
/r/PurplePillDebate30/06/26 01:20 PM
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Yeah, except men don't enjoy reading romance novels and when we do, we don't feel emotions while reading them. So women's emotional response to romance specifically is a GENDERED feminine emotional response. Now why and how those romance novels/characters/plots specifically get you personally (read: refer to your own personal experiences) to respond to them emotionally. So what is the mechanism and why? Pick several of your favourites - I'm sure they all have similar methods.
/r/PurplePillDebate30/06/26 01:18 PM
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So you don't know any of how or why anything ever makes you feel emotions as a woman? I don't have the answers as man - that's why I'm asking and you're giving non-answers and circling to asking me as a man. Makes no sense
/r/PurplePillDebate30/06/26 01:09 PM
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So why do you personally respond to romance and how? Or do you have no idea why and you're guessing for the sake of doing something?
/r/PurplePillDebate30/06/26 01:07 PM
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The point of this thread is asking why women feel emotions (their reactions) to these romance stories, plots, characters. Do you know how and/or why YOU personally emotionally respond to the above romance plots/characters/stories/scenes? If not, why comment? I'm a male, and we respond differently to stories based on research and it's completely irrelevant to this thread. You're asking to be lead to an answer.
/r/PurplePillDebate30/06/26 01:05 PM
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Yeah, you have no business commenting on this thread. You have no answers and don't even like romance or know how you react to it.
/r/PurplePillDebate30/06/26 01:01 PM
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So you don't feel any emotions viewing any romance material EVER in your life? So why comment here if you have no idea.
/r/PurplePillDebate30/06/26 12:42 PM
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How do these novels, stories, plots, characters get you to feel the emotions?
/r/PurplePillDebate30/06/26 12:41 PM
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Why and HOW does romance novels and their plots, characters and scenes get YOU (personally, your own mind) to feel those emotions? Or just say you don't know or even understand how things get you to feel those emotions yourself. That's what this thread is about.
/r/PurplePillDebate30/06/26 12:20 PM
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So how and why do those romance novels make you feel those emotions? Or don't you know how and why it does? Going around in circles on something off-topic is a poor diversion though.
/r/PurplePillDebate30/06/26 11:57 AM
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Why and how does that effect your emotions? It doesn't answer the question either; that's one plot trope example of the many you read. I'm sure there's other things that you liked and stimulated your emotions - but why and how did they stimulate your emotions? Confrontational? Lol by asking you to answer the question of the post itself and shedding some actual useful info?
/r/PurplePillDebate30/06/26 11:55 AM
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You just keep avoiding answering WHY and HOW women get these emotions from this media. I love that you think you're stomping off because I wasn't engaging when I just gave you the answer you asked and you gave nothing other than "much emotions".
/r/PurplePillDebate30/06/26 11:52 AM
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I'm not giving you an answer. Why do you think those characters, scenes, plots, stories get you to feel those emotions and HOW do they? Like I said earlier, men do a lot of things because it engages our problem solving (the total opposite to women). That's a success for us, and has a hundred different effects on men that are in PUBLISHED studies. But women refuse to dig deeper and be honest about how and why women feel those emotions about romance media. How many more times does it need to be as…
/r/PurplePillDebate30/06/26 10:58 AM
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Right so it's emotions then? How and why do you think those emotions are experienced with those plots and characters like vampires, minotaurs, werewolves, etc.? Or don't you know how to understand your emotions?
/r/PurplePillDebate30/06/26 10:54 AM
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You first: Why does it make you (and other women) feel emotions and HOW does it make you feel those emotions? I thought women were masters of emotion and the most emotionally intelligent? I'm a male, so we're considered very emotionally unintelligent and the guys here are trying to learn but none of these answers are very useful. Stop asking us to give you an answer and give your own.
/r/PurplePillDebate30/06/26 10:51 AM
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So it makes you feel emotions? How does it make you feel that though and why? Why does minotaurs, vampires, billionaire surgeons and mob bosses and the various plotlines - how does it get to those emotions and why?
/r/PurplePillDebate30/06/26 10:43 AM
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Ok, let's make it easier: Why does it make you (and other women) feel emotions and HOW does it make you feel those emotions?
/r/PurplePillDebate30/06/26 10:42 AM
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Entertaining how exactly though? We obviously know it's entertaining - we're asking why.
/r/PurplePillDebate30/06/26 10:40 AM
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Yeah, again you not having a detailed answer and turning it around again to something irrelevant - giving a question as an answer. So you don't know more than just "muh emotions" - how lame and basic.
/r/PurplePillDebate30/06/26 10:24 AM
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Wow, this is a really basic take. Honestly, it makes it hard to come to this forum when not one woman can ever give a detailed reason how and why they do anything. But women are the "best communicators" and really want men to understand them but it's clear none of the women here even understand themselves at all, less than men.
/r/PurplePillDebate30/06/26 10:09 AM
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Why do they want those things and how do they get it from these novels though? It really seems like no women have the answers here or are having serious issues communicating why they like/love romance media beyond, "emotions and feelings".
/r/PurplePillDebate30/06/26 09:56 AM
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Strawmanning with saying it's controversial - nobody said that. So you as a woman don't know why women read these books or like these characters beyond "the emotions" - that's really the best take you have? You're really not a good communicator, it just seems that not a single woman on this thread is smart enough to detail what they get from these books/characters other than "just emotions". It's so sad that women are not self-aware enough to even say why they want things.
/r/PurplePillDebate30/06/26 09:54 AM
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Yeah, that figure is made up and has no sources. 54% of female READERS at goodreads that are women have consumed romance novels in the past year. That's just books, not including films or tv or any romance based reality show. Romance is the highest grossing book genre in the world (by a mile) and 89℅+ of those romance books are consumed by women. Can you post the source of that? Then tell us why you think women overwhelmingly like romance. Worldwide romance books popularity
/r/PurplePillDebate30/06/26 08:18 AM
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Forget dark romance - why does ANY romance medium appeal to women in any medium. What appeals to them about the stories & characters? Are you saying you and most women don't typically enjoy any romance media? Sounds like you're lying to avoid answering. Why are you going in circles?
/r/PurplePillDebate30/06/26 07:20 AM
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Great, so you have no idea (as a woman) why women read ANY romance novels or watch romance films/tv or any darker sub-genre of those (including 50 Shades & Twilight) - so you yourself have never enjoyed any romance films, television or books? I'm not going to answer you unless you answer first.
/r/PurplePillDebate30/06/26 06:59 AM
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You go first - or just admit you have no idea what womege from these books and stories. Just sounds like you have no idea
/r/PurplePillDebate30/06/26 06:39 AM
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Sure, I'll answer it after you answer the questions I asked (and the topic of this thread). You keep diverting away from the topic to what men do (irrelevant). I thought women were amazing commicators - it just sounds like you're saying, "guess ha-ha"
/r/PurplePillDebate30/06/26 06:37 AM
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So why do women like these stories and characters then? What do women get from these stories that they're not getting from the real world? That's the topic of this thread or don't you want to answer this thread (or can't)?
/r/PurplePillDebate30/06/26 06:26 AM
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Ok, so what about those stories & characters stimulates emotions so much more than anything else?
/r/PurplePillDebate30/06/26 06:25 AM
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The whole of feminism is a political way to re-direct resources away from men and to remove or subvert attractive female competition for themselves, it always has been. There are no other goals to feminism.
/r/PurplePillDebate30/06/26 05:53 AM
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So why do women like these stories and characters then? What do women get from these stories that they're not getting from the real world? Do you not know how to communicate why women do this as a woman? You just didn't answer the question and then did a whataboutism turning it to men, this thread is about women.
/r/PurplePillDebate30/06/26 05:48 AM
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So you can't answer why women are reading these books and what they get out of it that they can't get from anything else?
/r/PurplePillDebate30/06/26 03:37 AM
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We have studies about why men do this and none about the question being asked to women in this thread. Men play those games (or most games) because it's strategy (logic), problem solving & gives them chances to win and socialise. The solving problems & winning = Testosterone goes up (literally). You could easily find this with a simple search. Why not just answer the question about women - or don't you know how to communicate it?
/r/PurplePillDebate30/06/26 03:33 AM
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You could just answer the question rather than using men as an example. What do women get from these books and WHY do they need it? That's the real question being asked in this thread If you don't know or can't communicate it - being defensive and turning it on men is unhelpful.
/r/PurplePillDebate30/06/26 03:29 AM
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Right, but these men are asking exactly what women get out of these books - what are they looking for by reading them? It seems like alot of women answering this are completely clueless or unaware or unable to describe WHAT they want from these books or WHY they want/need it. I thought women are the good communicators?
/r/PurplePillDebate30/06/26 03:26 AM
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What about these stories relates to something they want in real life? Most of these popular stories aren't about super rich guys: Twilight, minotaurs, (literally homeless) werewolves, (not rich) stalkers ("You"), Titanic, the list goes on. Can you be more detailed or don't you know as a woman?
/r/PurplePillDebate30/06/26 03:23 AM
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So it gives you emotions? That's the best and most detailed and nuanced answer? Then you circled around to what-aboutisms on men that's irrelevent to this topic thread. Just say you "don't know", rather than re-directing to an irrelevant topic or about men.
/r/PurplePillDebate30/06/26 03:18 AM
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You really circled that without an answer: how do these books give them romance, passion and adventure via words? What about these stories relates to something they want in real life?
/r/PurplePillDebate29/06/26 05:54 PM
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So are you saying that most or all things feminists want aren't damaging to men?
/r/PurplePillDebate29/06/26 05:50 PM
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I've known several people and know of several people who have committed (friends of friends) - not ONE of them was abusive in any way, just sad or rejected. I've never heard of them being abusive, except an extreme national story on the news. I question the validity of that study saying abuse was so common, never heard of it ever happening that way.
/r/PurplePillDebate29/06/26 05:46 PM
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The question is how do these books give them romance, passion and adventure and why these particular types of characters (with similar traits) and stories (similar plots) are so stimulating to women?
/r/PurplePillDebate29/06/26 09:26 AM
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This policy clearly states they're treating suicide as harming others, no matter the other indicators. This was clearly stated and most people can't or won't be able to determine harm in either direction, so they aren't required to.
/r/PurplePillDebate29/06/26 07:39 AM
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The point is that Feminism (and those involved) almost always lead to these extreme lop-sided policies favouring women and making no logical or pragmatic sense. This policy is just another example in a long list of historical examples of re-directing all focus away from men and to women, and removing any help, power of agency from men to give to women, undeservedly. How do you think feminism doesn't do this a any point?
/r/PurplePillDebate29/06/26 07:37 AM
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