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I would say men and women are the same in terms of fitness and genetics. Women are just better at styling and grooming to do the best with what they have. I basically did a full body makeover I bulked and started working out so now I'm not flat as a board despite still being thin. I still have a ways to go though before I get the voluptuous figure that I want. Weight gain is very hard for me though. I grew my hair out then bleached and dyed my hair a more flattering color, I upgraded my wardrobe…
/r/PurplePillDebate01/10/20 04:32 AM
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That’s sad
/r/PurplePillDebate29/09/20 11:09 AM
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There is a scenario it precedes the questions. I don’t see men as ATMs. I make more than the average man does and I’ve finished paying off my debts. I can and do pay for myself. Average men don’t provide beauty, good sex and I’d be the one actually having the children so there’s nothing. The only thing is companionship and you don’t need to date a man for him to spend time with you.
/r/PurplePillDebate29/09/20 11:09 AM
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Sexually yes but romantically idk. I have quite a few gay male friends and they say it’s very easy to find a hookup but finding a boyfriend is harder.
/r/PurplePillDebate29/09/20 11:04 AM
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They’re out of shape, they don’t know how to style their hair or clothes, then there’s just some guys who just aren’t physically appealing because of facial features or proportions. Idk how I’d rate myself, I guess average. I used to be ugly but I put a lot of effort into improving my appearance and now I get a lot of compliments on my looks and I can now push boundaries and get away with things I wasn’t able to before. I don’t think this is a unique experience though and most women who are at l…
/r/PurplePillDebate29/09/20 04:37 AM
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So you think they wouldn’t want to take on custody more often?
/r/PurplePillDebate29/09/20 04:26 AM
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In this scenario women would already be improving themselves and working to make themselves better and make things more fair for men. I don’t see men as ATMs. The average income for men is in America is quite low. All im saying is I don’t see what incentive there would be to date them. In your opinion what are the reasons men date women?
/r/PurplePillDebate29/09/20 04:25 AM
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I don’t know I’m sure men have their reasons though because they still try to date women despite the current dating climate. Love between strangers is fickle and it’s risky to get too caught up in that. M
/r/PurplePillDebate29/09/20 04:20 AM
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The only unexceptional thing about him would be his looks. Either way I’m on the fence because if I do decide to be dink I don’t think I would want a husband at all at that point. I’d rather just be single because even when I do find guys physically attractive I tire of them pretty quickly. So that’s why currently I look at dating through an economic lens.
/r/PurplePillDebate28/09/20 04:37 PM
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If I decide to go the dink route then I’ll probably do that but as of now I’m still unsure.
/r/PurplePillDebate28/09/20 04:32 PM
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No, because for most women there has to be a combination. Not just money. How you treat them, if your life goals align etc.
/r/PurplePillDebate28/09/20 04:30 PM
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I’ve never disagreed with it. From the beginning of my time on this sub I’ve said I believe this to be true and pointed out reversed gender equivalents. Everyone settles to some degree. If both partners are getting a good deal and being treated well I personally don’t see a problem. Its not hard at all, from my experience I typically like other aspects about them besides their provider capabilities. Their company is still enjoyable and you still feel positively about them. You’re just not sexual…
/r/PurplePillDebate28/09/20 04:20 PM
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Pretty much but I could be wrong and I don’t think that just because finances could be an equalizing factor that makes it ok. Things being that way can be very exploitative to men and I’m personally on board with things changing I just don’t see what incentive there would be for women to engage with average men sexually and romantically. All that would be left is companionship and you don’t need to date or sleep with a man to get that from him.
/r/PurplePillDebate28/09/20 04:08 PM
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I read their comments too while I was over there lol. Gifts and such are included. The price of the dates/meet ups isn’t the only cost. Which is what I was saying.
/r/PurplePillDebate28/09/20 04:04 PM
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Reading through it now it supports what I said more so than what you said. They talk about getting bills paid, gifts, tuition etc in addition to a base allowance. Even going by your underestimate rate that’s a lot of money if you’re meeting weekly or more. $300 x 4 weeks x 12 months is 14,400 a year when the average American male salary is about 30k and that’s not factoring in the guys living expenses for himself. Plus if he wants her to be exclusive or if he wants to see her more often that dri…
/r/PurplePillDebate28/09/20 04:00 PM
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I do because I like learning about different lifestyles. It’s not about what I like I’m just saying more comes with it. If you just pay someone $300-500 once a meet up that’s not a sugar baby. The lifestyle comes with other added perks that separate sugaring from escorting in practice.
/r/PurplePillDebate28/09/20 03:54 PM
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No problem and thank you!
/r/PurplePillDebate28/09/20 03:52 PM
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In my hypothetical scenario I’m assuming that they wouldn’t do this because they’d view it as extra work. So relationships overall would just decline with the exception of people who found mutual attraction on all levels. With the way women’s sexuality is set up and with how sex and relationships are declining now I can’t imagine that being all too common if my hypothetical scenario became reality.
/r/PurplePillDebate28/09/20 03:51 PM
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Thats definitely not the market rate lol. That’s barely even on “Splenda” baby level. Also I’m not shaming im reiterating what I’ve learned from people who are into that lifestyle.
/r/PurplePillDebate28/09/20 03:48 PM
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That’s an escort not a sugar baby. I’ve never met a sugar baby who only got such a cheap allowance and nothing else. They all also got gifts and had bills and loans paid off.
/r/PurplePillDebate28/09/20 03:43 PM
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I’ll have to look into that.
/r/PurplePillDebate28/09/20 03:41 PM
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I apologize for being more clear. I meant they there would no longer be a clear gendered difference in who gets custody and child support. Why would they kill themselves instead of just opting out of dating?
/r/PurplePillDebate28/09/20 03:41 PM
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All of the above + the fact that women find a smaller pool of men physically attractive than the reverse. If my hypothetical scenario became reality I don’t see what need men would have to change because they’ve eliminated their dating risks.
/r/PurplePillDebate28/09/20 03:39 PM
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So why not skip all the steps and have a fake marriage with a female for the tax benefits? Sounds like fun and you have a lifetime companion without any of the risks.
/r/PurplePillDebate28/09/20 03:38 PM
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How is my post low effort?
/r/PurplePillDebate28/09/20 03:36 PM
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You can be happy without a romantic relationship as long as you have good friends and all your basic needs are met. They’d probably be more careful about being with chad as well because it’s high risk low reward now.
/r/PurplePillDebate28/09/20 03:36 PM
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I don’t know if all women would agree but for me personally it’s a yes because all that would be left are physical attraction and companionship. I don’t find most men physically attractive and I don’t need to date a man to get companionship from him. So I personally don’t see what reason there would be, but other women might feel differently.
/r/PurplePillDebate28/09/20 03:35 PM
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I guess it depends on the state. Where I live they cost more than that especially when you factor in the gifts, paying her bills etc. Escorts are about $400 pay per meet but a sugar baby has a higher base allowance + all the extra stuff to upkeep her lifestyle especially if you want her to be exclusive.
/r/PurplePillDebate28/09/20 03:31 PM
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The birth rate is already declining so idk about this one.
/r/PurplePillDebate28/09/20 03:29 PM
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It’s because they still date hypergamously and Can get child support and alimony. Yet we still see a rise in sexlessness, decrease in marriage, decrease in birth rate. If you take away those last few incentives wouldn’t you just see more of the aforementioned?
/r/PurplePillDebate28/09/20 03:28 PM
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He needed their help to get the change. They vote too. It’s why he even expended time and energy trying to get them on board as well as federal legislators.
/r/PurplePillDebate28/09/20 03:26 PM
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They’d probably stay single unless they were very attracted to the guy.
/r/PurplePillDebate28/09/20 03:25 PM
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They don’t lose hundreds of k. They didn’t have that to begin with. The lower birth rates part I agree with
/r/PurplePillDebate28/09/20 03:25 PM
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I meant 50/50 as in there isn’t a clear gendered difference in who is most likely to be awarded primary custody and child support. I should’ve explained that better my apologies.
/r/PurplePillDebate28/09/20 03:24 PM
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Why would they marry gay men instead of just staying single or marrying another straight woman?
/r/PurplePillDebate28/09/20 03:23 PM
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Idk men still try to date women now for whatever reason and I don’t think that desire would diminish if things swing more in their favor. For women it wouldn’t be the same. They’re already picky and they’d only get pickier.
/r/PurplePillDebate28/09/20 03:21 PM
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Ok fair point but gauging by the average income of American men I don’t think most could afford to be sugar daddies. Maybe they could visit a lower level prostitute though.
/r/PurplePillDebate28/09/20 03:20 PM
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Most men don’t meet women’s sexual needs. It’s part of the reason why the sex disparity is the way it is now and you don’t need to date someone to have your companionship needs met. Would men improve themselves to be more desirable sexually and physically? Would they do more housework? Something I personally doubt because of the studies that have floated around here saying men who do so get less sex. Then overall I just don’t see what a man would have in an equal scenario that would incentive wo…
/r/PurplePillDebate28/09/20 03:19 PM
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He pleaded with them.
/r/PurplePillDebate28/09/20 03:14 PM
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They wouldn’t be getting the resources though because things are equal so they bring the same things to the table financially speaking.
/r/PurplePillDebate28/09/20 03:14 PM
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Well if it’s horniness they’d be going for men they find attractive and from the studies men here post on physical attraction that’s a slim minority. So that still eliminates incentive to be with most men. We’re moving that way and we’re seeing marriage rates decline, birth rates decline and sexlessness rise.
/r/PurplePillDebate28/09/20 03:13 PM
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Idk what would happen to beta males. They’d probably end up alone too unless they want to be a sugar daddy and can afford to be one. They wouldn’t be single moms. The birth rate has already dropped below replacement level and it will rank even further if the incentives to having kids are removed.
/r/PurplePillDebate28/09/20 03:11 PM
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Ok interesting point. So we’d revert back to where we started just with a different Abrahamic religion as the foundation.
/r/PurplePillDebate28/09/20 03:09 PM
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Fair point.
/r/PurplePillDebate28/09/20 03:08 PM
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Why would they want to settle with betas? What would be the reason?
/r/PurplePillDebate28/09/20 03:08 PM
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Idk are there?
/r/PurplePillDebate28/09/20 03:07 PM
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They do that because you can get child support, welfare and if you have a good family you have their support as well. Yet despite all this the overall birth rate is dropping. If the monetary benefits/safety nets disappear the birth rates would drop even more.
/r/PurplePillDebate28/09/20 03:07 PM
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Why would they be impoverished? They would have less incentive to have kids so they’d save money on that front and there wouldn’t be any incentive to marry beta males either.
/r/PurplePillDebate28/09/20 03:06 PM
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Do better as in they’d have more options or do better as in they’d self-improve? Or what?
/r/PurplePillDebate28/09/20 03:04 PM
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Just look at the letter MLK wrote while he was in prison talking about how disappointed he was in the white moderate. Their opinions definitely mattered.
/r/PurplePillDebate28/09/20 03:03 PM
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They’d drop down even further because then even less women would be having kids.
/r/PurplePillDebate28/09/20 03:02 PM
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They do. It’s why they’re so picky about guys in the west. Safety nets just reduce this a bit.
/r/PurplePillDebate28/09/20 03:02 PM
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Gauging by current trends despite the alleged privileges women have I’d find it hard to believe a good chunk of women wouldn’t find it pointless. The only way I’d see them finding value in still dating men is if they land a top 20% guy or if average and below average men improve themselves as well. Otherwise what reason would they have to date most men?
/r/PurplePillDebate28/09/20 03:00 PM
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Yeah but they’d be the same single as they would with a men unless men improve themselves as well. So unless they’re ok being a single mom, or a woman who’s essentially a single mom they wouldn’t want to have kids. It’s extra stress and there wouldn’t be as much of a guarantee that they’d get to keep custody or get child support if they divorced or if they have a child out of wedlock.
/r/PurplePillDebate28/09/20 02:58 PM
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Ok. What happens after that? That’s what I’m asking.
/r/PurplePillDebate28/09/20 02:57 PM
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Marriage would be equal in this hypothetical scenario. Both sides have an equal chance of getting child support and custody, no alimony, everything is equally split financially. Women becoming sugar babies more often is not something I thought of. Fair point!
/r/PurplePillDebate28/09/20 02:56 PM
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All of that happened.
/r/PurplePillDebate28/09/20 02:54 PM
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Key words “white moderate majority” So the northerners and fence sitting southerners who thought maybe abolishing slavery would be a good idea but weren’t too sure about what would happen if all those negros were roaming free. Their fears were assuaged and their morals were appealed to to get them on board. Your argument is basically that we need women's approval for men to obtain equality and we shouldn't do it if it upsets women. Ridiculous premise. It’s not at all. I don’t have an argument. I…
/r/PurplePillDebate28/09/20 02:51 PM
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In all these scenarios dating men would be pointless. So it’s the same reaction just different steps/origin.
/r/PurplePillDebate28/09/20 02:49 PM
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They care about things besides money. They’re just not as idealistic as men because they’re very aware how harsh the world can be when you’re poor and at a disadvantage.
/r/PurplePillDebate28/09/20 02:48 PM
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Those were taken into consideration and assuaging the fears of the white moderate majority was how abolitionists and civil rights activists reached their goals.
/r/PurplePillDebate28/09/20 02:47 PM
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White people’s reactions were taken into consideration. It was part of coming up with a plan to get them on board. Same thing happened with the civil rights movement. If you don’t want to answer the questions that’s fine but please leave my thread. Thanks have a great day 😊
/r/PurplePillDebate28/09/20 02:46 PM
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Yeah, women would be on the menu if men don’t improve too so it’d be pointless to date them. You’d be putting yourself at risk for virtually no reason.
/r/PurplePillDebate28/09/20 02:44 PM
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Idk. Either way it’s still interesting to ponder on the reactions. What would the step after be or what would things look like?
/r/PurplePillDebate28/09/20 02:43 PM
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If that makes the question more digestible for you to answer sure. I don’t know much about feminism though so I can’t answer you. What are your answers to my questions though?
/r/PurplePillDebate28/09/20 02:43 PM
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That’s what I’m thinking would happen. They’d be even more stringent about what guys they pick or accept advances from.
/r/PurplePillDebate28/09/20 02:42 PM
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I’m sorry you feel the way you do as well.
/r/PurplePillDebate23/09/20 12:28 PM
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You’re complaining and I’m not the only one that’s reading it that way
/r/PurplePillDebate23/09/20 12:25 PM
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Yes it is. I’m sorry you struggle with language. The whole tone of your post read as you complaining about these “foster girlfriends”. I understand that English isn’t everyones first language or strong suit though. So agree to disagree and have a great day/night!
/r/PurplePillDebate23/09/20 04:39 AM
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Yes it is lol, especially when you call it ridiculous and express that you feel criticism of the behavior is warranted. I’m not the thought police. You can own up to it and I’m not going to jump down your throat. All I’m saying is I find this whole thing very funny and ironic. Men and women are more similar than we’d like to admit.
/r/PurplePillDebate23/09/20 04:26 AM
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Everything about is complaining. You feel that these “foster girlfriends” are entitled and in need of criticism. It’s just funny to me I’m sorry 😂
/r/PurplePillDebate23/09/20 04:20 AM
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If the kid goes awry the mother takes the blame. This is especially true in the black American community and the mainstream media is not always reflective of the thoughts of the culture at large.
/r/PurplePillDebate23/09/20 03:57 AM
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Having kids in the wrong circumstances by the wrong man is a one way ticket to poverty, stress, social stigma, ruined body, ruined dating prospects etc. If you have a kid in the wrong circumstances you’ve just figuratively dropped a bomb on your life.
/r/PurplePillDebate23/09/20 03:54 AM
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That men here do the same thing that you’re complaining about in your op. They get angry when they invest in a woman only for her to leave them and “monkey branch”.
/r/PurplePillDebate23/09/20 03:52 AM
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The irony of this post coming from a man is just killing me.😂😂 If this foster girlfriend thing becomes mainstream knowledge then hopefully it’ll force both sides to do some introspection.
/r/PurplePillDebate22/09/20 06:48 PM
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I’ve talked to you before. You said how you two were poor when you got married but now she outearns you, she initially approached and wooed you etc. That’s where I’m getting it from.
/r/PurplePillDebate21/09/20 10:18 AM
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No. If you don’t want to approach people you shouldn’t have to. Especially if you’ve found it doesn’t work for you. There isn’t a one size fits all way to date.
/r/PurplePillDebate21/09/20 10:17 AM
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But you're not psychic. How can you believe you know what people think? You don't think that's narcissistic? You don’t need to be a physic or a narcissist to pick up on patterns and someone’s personality. You just pay attention. No you're going in with preconceived notions that completely ruin any natural discourse. It doesn’t ruin it. It’s to it because you have context for the persons comments. I said what I meant. Everything else is in your head. It’s on the screen too. Not at all. Never said…
/r/PurplePillDebate20/09/20 11:47 PM
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My drift is looking at people holistically to sus out their true intentions and what they truly mean. It’s a very logical way to debate because you’re not going in blind and naive. You corrected me to save face but we both know what you really mean. You’re implying that you think women are beneath men and interchangeable. It’s why you said what you did in response to me disagreeing with a heinous precedent. You are defending the notion that women should not be viewed as people because you view t…
/r/PurplePillDebate20/09/20 10:53 PM
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Yes, but the speaker/messenger adds context if you catch my drift.
/r/PurplePillDebate20/09/20 10:44 PM
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That’s you sir. I’m sorry but there’s nothing scientifically that says women are a monolith. Even if there was Theres outliers and exceptions you everything. Anyway you’re still proving my point about how men see women. So I thank you for that.
/r/PurplePillDebate20/09/20 10:40 PM
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They definitely do. A lot of men view her as desperate. Others view it as easy sex. Then there’s many others who view it as her wanting him more than he wants her so he won’t put as much effort into the relationship as she does. This isn’t true for all men of course but it’s true for a lot of men. Then among the men who would genuinely appreciate a woman approaching some are more shy, some are passive and feminine etc. Which are perfectly fine things to be but may not be compatible with what a w…
/r/PurplePillDebate20/09/20 10:19 PM
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This is very true!
/r/PurplePillDebate20/09/20 10:10 PM
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They don’t have to and they don’t want to both fall under that umbrella of that not being what they want. There are women that don’t have to approach but they still do it because they want to because they enjoy that better. A lot of women don’t so they don’t approach.
/r/PurplePillDebate20/09/20 08:08 PM
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It does. Instead of pedestalizing them romantically you are now doing so sexually.
/r/PurplePillDebate20/09/20 08:06 PM
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If this is what you truly believe then I thank you for serving as an anecdotal example of my point about most men not being able to love women.
/r/PurplePillDebate20/09/20 08:06 PM
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Marriage is supposed to be the ultimate commitment. Leaving a marriage is more serious and proves lack of love more than dumping you're gf of a month wouldn't you say? People are moving away from marriage. They are also trying to get rid of the idea that it’s the ultimate form of commitment. Also how funny is it that when men want women to buy into the forever girlfriend thing they say marriage is just a piece of paper but when they want to say women don’t love men now marriage is the ultimate f…
/r/PurplePillDebate20/09/20 08:04 PM
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I've already explained why this is wrong. You never did, you just gave your opinion on why you think it’s wrong. You never objectively explained though. I gave my opinion on why I think it’s right. No. Neither would change who you are. You'd just be x person who's more jaded or x person who is happier. A change in your person doesn't alter who you are genetically or logically. A change in my personality would change who I am while a change in my body would not. It may not alter who you are genet…
/r/PurplePillDebate20/09/20 08:04 PM
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No it’s not. They don’t have to approach to show interest or match the mans effort. You can do that in other ways. Women do what works for them. I’ve approached men before and Ive been approached and I’ve found that overall things are better with men who’ve approached me. Different strokes for different folks.
/r/PurplePillDebate20/09/20 07:12 PM
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Stats: breakup imitation among non married couples
/r/PurplePillDebate20/09/20 06:00 PM
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You can't just be a personality. I am though. My body is just a shell for my personality. Who I am is my personality, my thoughts etc. If these changed they’d change who I am but if my body changed it would only change what I look like. Your life is heavily influenced by your body, it's shape and natural strengths and weaknesses. It’s not my life is influenced by my upbringing, world views and choices. Which are influenced by how my personality was shaped/what my personality is. No you can't tho…
/r/PurplePillDebate20/09/20 05:56 PM
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Yes, to approach. Women who are into that do it already women who are not don’t do it. Nah. Most women do not approach. They try to get near someone and draw their attention, but that isn't "approaching." Approaching is specifically walking up to someone and making your intentions known. Most women don't do that unless they tried getting close and drawing attention and it didn't work. Approaching is the very last thing that most women do. Notice how you said most not all. My statement and yours …
/r/PurplePillDebate20/09/20 05:27 PM
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Exactly. So if he’s older it means he grew up in a time where traditional dating was the hard and fast norm so a women breaking away from that would have been refreshing for a man like him. Things have changed. Women doing that is not viewed the same way. Okcupid data means nothing to me. It’s not applicable to the demographic I’m in. Also the data says nothing about the quality of the men beyond their physical attractiveness. What kind of relationship dynamics did this foster. How were the wome…
/r/PurplePillDebate20/09/20 05:12 PM
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Here’s a more comprehensive chart from the cdc. https://www.cdc.gov/nchs/data/dvs/national-marriage-divorce-rates-00-18.pdf
/r/PurplePillDebate20/09/20 05:09 PM
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Completely false. You are your personality AND your body. You can't separate your personality from your body. You can't exist as a personality floating in ether. You are your personality. Your body is just there. I can separate my personality from my body. My body is just a shell for me personality. If I had a completely different personality with the same body I would lose what made me “me” despite being in the same body. Your personality is the core and main part of who you are. Everything els…
/r/PurplePillDebate20/09/20 05:08 PM
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It does. Back when they started dating her asking him out first was probably viewed as fresh and different. Now it happens often enough where it won’t be viewed so positively and it often isn’t. So I don’t see the big deal in women not wanting to do that. Especially when they get what they want or better via other routes.
/r/PurplePillDebate20/09/20 04:58 PM
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The only real part of who you are is your personality. Everything else is superficial. Youth is not immutable, neither is fertility. Men don’t just like vagina they like access to the bodies of pretty and young women. Both things that women have less control over than men. Women are much more likely and inevitably lose the things that make men attracted to them. While men can always make more money. Men are not more noble and loving. They’re just as superficial as women. At least with money it’s…
/r/PurplePillDebate20/09/20 04:54 PM
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Not in all senses. Some people still like what they like and I don’t see anything wrong with that. You shouldn’t force everyone to conform to one dating style.
/r/PurplePillDebate20/09/20 04:52 PM
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They wouldn’t be giving women the opportunity to do anything. Women already approach if they feel it’s the best way to get what they want. What the men here are doing it talking in circles. Women are lazy for not approaching but men are not. That doesn’t make any sense and past track record is irrelevant especially since some of the ones peddling this line admitted that they don’t approach women. So they’re ultimately the same as the women they’re condemning.
/r/PurplePillDebate20/09/20 04:51 PM
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Ok Thats good for you. You tapped into your masculine energy and got good things out of it. In my experience doing that is only good for work and other similar goals. It doesn’t get me the kind of relationship I want. It’s interesting that you consider traditionally feminine women to be lazy and insecure. Sounds like projection.
/r/PurplePillDebate20/09/20 03:20 PM
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You’re just putting them on another one by objectifying them. . .
/r/PurplePillDebate20/09/20 03:04 PM
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It’s really not. People are flawed and varied. If you look at them that way you learn to not have high expectations unless shown a consistent pattern of great behavior.
/r/PurplePillDebate20/09/20 03:03 PM
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Equality is not possible. Women who like traditional relationships get screwed over in the Netherlands. Someone will always get the shorter end of the stick. You just have to look out for yourself and your needs. Also America is much bigger and diverse than the Netherlands.
/r/PurplePillDebate20/09/20 11:41 AM
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No it’s not. If you truly believe this anyway then it goes both ways and by this logic that means that women definitely should not approach them because a man who doesn’t approach isn’t communicating interest in any meaningful way. You can disagree but I don’t see how you can apply this logic to women without it being applicable to men as well.
/r/PurplePillDebate20/09/20 11:36 AM
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I'm not sitting around complaining about "WHERE ARE ALL THE GOOD MEN?!" Yes because you’re presumably not dating men. You are here however complaining about where all the good women have gone so you’re the same as the women you complain about. There’s no hamstering around this one. You’re a hypocrite. Just own it, it’s your life. Women want my money, attention, and physical labor. I (and every other guy) am the prize. If you want the prize, you need to earn it. That's like wanting an Olympic med…
/r/PurplePillDebate20/09/20 11:35 AM
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That’s how people interpret these common definitions. “Traits traditionally cited as feminine include gentleness, empathy, humility, and sensitivity, though traits associated with femininity vary across societies and individuals, and are influenced by a variety of social and cultural factors.” “having qualities or an appearance traditionally associated with women, especially delicacy and prettiness.” Also the fact that if a person is aggressive and or assertive they’re viewed and branded as masc…
/r/PurplePillDebate20/09/20 11:30 AM
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She acknowledged that everyone has both when she said the bit about masculine and feminine energies. You’re reading to argue probably because you’re unsatisfied with your choice in man and trying to project that onto others. Shouldn’t you be glad that not all women are into the same relationship dynamic?
/r/PurplePillDebate20/09/20 11:26 AM
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I agree with rft24. It’s not about being lazy and insecure. Feminine women have the confidence to lead themselves when they’re single. The way I view it is what is the point of a relationship with a guy where I’m basically operating the same way as if I was single. What’s the point? Dating a feminine man or a 50/50 man for someone like me would just add stress to my life so I prefer masculine men. It’s not about being lazy or being insecure you just know what you like, what turns you on and you …
/r/PurplePillDebate20/09/20 11:24 AM
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So it would best serve women to figure out a way to make it work.
/r/PurplePillDebate20/09/20 11:19 AM
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You’re kind of old though. No offense. The dating game has changed. What worked for your wife 10-20 years ago won’t work for most women now. It also depends on what relationship dynamic a woman wants. From speaking to you before it seems your wife is the provider and the more dominant one. Not all women want a relationship like that, some want 50/50 and some want a traditional relationship so they’ll act in a way that has the highest chance of getting them what they want.
/r/PurplePillDebate20/09/20 11:18 AM
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You don’t have to be a 10/10 you just have to accept the fact that an average woman would rather be alone that be with a partner who doesn’t do anything for her romantically, sexually or financially. They’re not going to go for a guy they don’t like just because they’re in the same league.
/r/PurplePillDebate20/09/20 11:15 AM
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It can be an indicator though because a lot of men that really like to be asked out also like more dominant women. If a woman isn’t into that she’s going to avoid doing things that will get her in that situation.
/r/PurplePillDebate20/09/20 11:13 AM
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Sexually yes. Most men don’t have much to offer sexually, financially or romantically so women just don’t engage. When men do have something to offer women typically reciprocate depending on their priorities.
/r/PurplePillDebate20/09/20 11:01 AM
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So by your own logic you lack character as well because you prefer to be approached and you refuse to do the approaching.
/r/PurplePillDebate20/09/20 10:34 AM
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This isn’t really a good idea unless a woman is just looking for casual sex. Especially with the changes in the dating market and the way people socialize.
/r/PurplePillDebate20/09/20 10:32 AM
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I read what you said. If you’re ugly your options are more limited and the quality of partners you attract is lower as well. Your personality is who you are, that’s the real you. Enhancing your body to look better is just being realistic about your station in life and doing something to change it.
/r/PurplePillDebate20/09/20 03:51 AM
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Your chances of finding that go up the better you look.
/r/PurplePillDebate20/09/20 03:27 AM
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Well if you’re ugly you’re ugly. It’s only body dysphoria if you’re perfectly normal looking and you keep finding issues where there aren’t any. If you have an actual flaw though I see no harm in fixing it. Some people want more than just sex. The other aspects of relationships haven’t been commodified yet, at least not in the west so if you want it you have to get it the old fashioned way.
/r/PurplePillDebate20/09/20 03:22 AM
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It looks good on some people as long as you get a balanced implant. It depends on what the woman is trying to get if you’re just talking sex then I completely agree with you. However if woman is trying to get marriage from a quality man she needs a lot more than that. Anyway my overall point was that plastic surgery has come so far that almost any flaw or insecurity you have it can be fixed as long as you can afford to fix it.
/r/PurplePillDebate19/09/20 08:03 PM
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They have implants for people with recessed chins. Every complaint men have about their face, women have had too and they’ve financed innovation of the plastic surgery industry. You can change your height too but it’s dangerous. Your chin, nose etc are all changeable and it’s relatively safe.
/r/PurplePillDebate19/09/20 07:45 PM
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You can fix your nose. Women get rhinoplastys all the time. Men can get them too if they want.
/r/PurplePillDebate19/09/20 07:41 PM
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You can change your face with plastic surgery.
/r/PurplePillDebate19/09/20 07:40 PM
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It’s not that high anymore and certain factors affect it. First time marriages have lower divorce rates than second, third etc marriages. Also people who marry in the 25-30 age range have lower divorce rates than people who marry younger or older. https://www.census.gov/library/visualizations/interactive/marriage-divorce-rates-by-state.html Also depending on what kind of marital dynamic it is, it changes who pulls the plug. In female breadwinner marriages men are more likely to file for divorce …
/r/PurplePillDebate19/09/20 07:37 PM
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The only form of love that exists is familial love. Everything else is transactional and based on convenience so I don’t understand why men talk like they love women and women are so evil for not loving them back. Men treat women the exact same way but instead of money it’s sexual access, youth and fertility.
/r/PurplePillDebate19/09/20 07:27 PM
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I don’t get how men say or co-sign this but then get mad when women say most men just want sex.
/r/PurplePillDebate19/09/20 12:13 PM
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All girls are not the same as sugar babies. That’s probably just the best you can get.
/r/PurplePillDebate17/09/20 11:55 PM
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By vague I meant dodging conversations about commitment or giving non-answers to get the woman off your back while still keeping her in limbo. I think it’s fine to be emotional as long as you have good intentions. I don’t know what I would recommend. I don’t have any solutions that I think men would find viable.
/r/PurplePillDebate17/09/20 10:43 PM
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If that’s what you need to tell yourself. A sugar baby is much more maintenance than your average hooker.
/r/PurplePillDebate17/09/20 10:31 PM
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1==1
/r/PurplePillDebate17/09/20 10:31 PM
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No which is the point. You assumed she did and labeled all women a hive mind over it. Yet the same isn’t done to men.
/r/PurplePillDebate17/09/20 01:02 PM
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No. It implies that the person making the statement things they have some authority to speak for everyone. You proved it for me with your comments here.
/r/PurplePillDebate17/09/20 01:01 PM
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Yes because it’s the truth. Men are not any more naive and romantic than women. Both genders for the most part know that the other views them through a utilitarian lens and they’ve always known this. It’s why certain core types of dating advice have largely remained the same for decades. It might be tailored a bit here and there to fit a changing culture but the core messages stay the same. They teach people how to play others and avoid being played or how to get their blue pilled fantasy.
/r/PurplePillDebate17/09/20 01:00 PM
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Neither were. You decided to have a snarky little quip on all women based off one post when I can guarantee you don’t do the same to men.
/r/PurplePillDebate17/09/20 12:57 PM
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The term hive mind was not in ops post.
/r/PurplePillDebate17/09/20 12:55 PM
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Who’s the one throwing the word hive mind around though? You. So my argument is going to stay here.
/r/PurplePillDebate17/09/20 12:54 PM
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I do, but to warn women of the games. Just as women of the past did for women and girls in their life.
/r/PurplePillDebate17/09/20 12:53 PM
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I read it the first time my point is that when do this they’re not labeled as a hive mind.
/r/PurplePillDebate17/09/20 12:50 PM
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Know they knew what was true. All men have done is recycle already commonly known information. There has been male game for decades and there have been men doing the Bb route for decades. As the saying goes there’s nothing new under the sun.
/r/PurplePillDebate17/09/20 12:49 PM
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It’s not the same at all. You were implying that women were a hive mind with you comment based on one persons post and you even tried to defend yourself doing so by saying “well she was speaking for women in general. I’ve never seen men get stuck with the hive mind label for doing the same thing. AMALT is a direct petty response to AWALT.
/r/PurplePillDebate17/09/20 12:48 PM
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No they wouldn’t. I’ve seen it and they never get hit with the hive mind stereotype. At most they’ll be told they don’t speak for all men but it never results in men as a collective being viewed as a hive mind.
/r/PurplePillDebate17/09/20 12:41 PM
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They weren’t naive though, because they knew what the deal was. Many didn’t like it but they just didn’t know where to go to get the change they wanted. That’s where trp and mgtow come in.
/r/PurplePillDebate17/09/20 12:38 PM
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As do many of the men here. They don’t say. I don’t like women with high n count. Or i don’t like older women. They speak in absolutes or for men in general yet men aren’t branded as a hive mind because of this.
/r/PurplePillDebate17/09/20 12:37 PM
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TRP doesn't end up with over a million subs on it when they think they haven't been misled. Yes it does for 3 main reasons. 1) Trp didn’t start out full of men who felt they were misled. It started off as a way to give men who were unsatisfied with their dating life an edge. It was a response to women’s game. Guidelines on how to make men’s game better. 2) Theres also men who knew what was up but didn’t like it. They knew that protecting and providing was a way to get women but they didn’t want …
/r/PurplePillDebate17/09/20 12:36 PM
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Men are not breaking any naivety. Men of the past knew protecting and providing was a way to get a woman if you weren’t sexy and suave enough to do it off charm alone. Just as how women knew men value, youth beauty and fertility and if you don’t have one you have to compensate or pay to get it. Something happened to millennials and gen Z where they missed this memo though. Probably too many male directed rom coms about manic pixie dreams girls falling in love with and improving the lives of sad,…
/r/PurplePillDebate17/09/20 12:20 PM
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Not liking older men doesn’t mean women are hive minded. That stereotype isn’t attached to men and they have overlapping preferences with each other.
/r/PurplePillDebate17/09/20 12:13 PM
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So now men are ok paying for women and they don’t view it as being used or only seen for their utility purposes?
/r/PurplePillDebate17/09/20 12:11 PM
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There’s multiple reasons. For me personally it’s because I no longer have interest in genuinely debating people who don’t do the same. I’m not going to debate someone who’ll resort to throwing an e-tantrum after being proven wrong. If that’s the outcome might as well get there without the extra steps. Anyway if you read through the thread other people already did the work. They showed that men do not have an instinct to protect women collectively.
/r/PurplePillDebate17/09/20 12:08 PM
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I’m not trying because it’s reddit and it’s not a site meant to debate in good faith. At least not this subreddit anyway.
/r/PurplePillDebate17/09/20 12:00 PM
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Yes I have as well as studies. Like I said idk your track record. No one here really debated in good faith so I’ve learned not to waste my time. It’s only worth the effort if you’re making a whole post.
/r/PurplePillDebate17/09/20 11:58 AM
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Men do not have an instinct to protect their family’s. Later in the day I will, Idk you track record though so I now I let give my opinion on Reddit. I’ve learned that unless it’s a post, citing stats to the males here is kind of useless. They’ll just resort to name calling and childishness if they don’t like what you said. So the comment is all for nothing and the only people who read it and acknowledge the citations are people who would’ve done so in the first place.
/r/PurplePillDebate17/09/20 11:27 AM
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I read everything you said. Maybe it’s you who needs to go back and read it. According to your own words you now have 10k more annually and after breaking up with your ex and she is the only major change in your life. You still have the same salary and spending habits. So you were losing money by being with her. Also you made that woman your girlfriend. I didn’t say I’d expect you to ask about her finances on the first date. However the fact that she made it to girlfriend level is telling. I’m a…
/r/PurplePillDebate17/09/20 11:14 AM
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It’s emotional manipulation. I don’t care to argue about whether those things should be viewed that way or how severe of a problem emotional manipulation is. I know what the women in my life want and I don’t want them to have those problems. So I keep up to speed with trp stuff and I let them know what I know.
/r/PurplePillDebate17/09/20 11:08 AM
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The point does not still stand. There’s women everyday who risk their lives and sacrifice themselves for their sons and husbands. Yet men still do not consider this as women caring about men on the macro scale. So my point still stands. Men do not care about women on the macro scale either. Also as I mentioned there’s just as many men who will abandon their wives and children to save themselves as there are men who would try to save them.
/r/PurplePillDebate17/09/20 11:04 AM
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Nope. I’m a fully functioning sentient human being. However you on the other hand read as a wanna edge lord, with lde that watches too much hentai. Have a great night/day hon. Try to stress less. It cuts years off your life~
/r/PurplePillDebate17/09/20 05:05 AM
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Yes indeed I am ☺️ and you’re a triggered man!
/r/PurplePillDebate17/09/20 05:02 AM
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You’re triggered. Lol
/r/PurplePillDebate17/09/20 04:59 AM
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That’s my takeaway from reading this whole thread. Perhaps you should learn to read things in context. If that’s something you struggle with it’d be in your best interest to take your own advice honey.
/r/PurplePillDebate17/09/20 04:56 AM
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I’m not. I’m negating it. The point being made is that men collectively sacrifice themselves for the good of women as a collective. My rebuttal is that’s not the case. A middle wage job isn’t good enough to get blown up over but they typically come with other benefits that makes it worthwhile to a man with limited skills and options.
/r/PurplePillDebate17/09/20 04:53 AM
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On a macro scale there is. And you know it because you guys here would never count women caring for their male children or husbands as women caring about men collectively. Yet you expect women to buy the same bs you reject.
/r/PurplePillDebate17/09/20 04:24 AM
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It’s because they chose to do that job to get out of a circumstance they are in. I know plenty of men in high risk jobs. They fall all across the wage spectrum. Women are no where on the list of reasons they picked the careers they did. Typically it’s either because it’s the best job they could get without going to college. Or because the job had good benefits.
/r/PurplePillDebate17/09/20 04:23 AM
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Individual level is not grand scale. A man loving his wife is not equal to men as a collective doing things for women’s benefit. There’s also plenty of men who would throw their wife in front of the bullet. Generally speaking men view women in just as much of a utilitarian fashion as the reverse. The men here just like to pretend otherwise. On the individual level you may find exceptions here and there but in the grand scheme of things neither gender has high regard or unconditional affection fo…
/r/PurplePillDebate17/09/20 04:21 AM
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You have it backwards. It’s true on the large scale. Large scale men do not care for women any more than women care for men. It’s on the individual level where you’ll see exceptions here and there mostly when a child or spouse is involved.
/r/PurplePillDebate17/09/20 04:18 AM
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Or just don’t have wars. What is with this insatiable need for violence? If every single country in the world was on the same page above the role reversal there’d be less bloodshed.
/r/PurplePillDebate17/09/20 04:17 AM
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Men didn’t do any of the things you said out of love for women. They did it to benefit themselves. So I don’t get this disingenuous argument. Firstly only a minority of men made great creations and vastly propel society forward. The rest just follow and as I said they did it to benefit themselves and their fellow men above all. Women were a second thought if at all. Men and women view each other through the same utilitarian lens. The only difference is the utility each gender wishes to extract.
/r/PurplePillDebate17/09/20 04:15 AM
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You didn’t provide evidence. 1) in the US the Supreme Court justice ruled that police are not legally obligated to protect and serve. 2) all of those services you listed are paid professions. They’re monetarily compensated. It’s not something they’re doing just because they love women oh so much. There’s people in those fields who despise women. 3) they’re also protecting men and boys too.
/r/PurplePillDebate17/09/20 04:13 AM
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On people I know I wouldn’t want to see dread game, plate spinning or vague boundaries used. In general though I don’t really care. If a man feels trp is the best way to get sex I won’t judge. I just don’t want it done to people I know and care about.
/r/PurplePillDebate17/09/20 04:01 AM
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Perpetual plate spinning for most. Non marital ltr for a minority.
/r/PurplePillDebate17/09/20 03:59 AM
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If you’re a high quality man you can find it. Marriages stats show that people are moving towards assortative marriages. So it’s going to be more likely for you to do so now than ever. On the flip side though depending on what other qualities you’re looking for in a woman and whether or not you want kids etc. That will change it. You might have to forego one or two other qualities in a woman in favor of finding one that’s on your level financially. Depending on how you stack up yourself though y…
/r/PurplePillDebate16/09/20 07:01 PM
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They did because you’re uneducated on the matter and are tying to build a straw man to make a disingenuous point. Men signing up is not proof that women are more valued. In fact it’s the opposite. Women are viewed as less ineffective soldiers so that’s why they’re not required to sign up.
/r/PurplePillDebate16/09/20 06:53 PM
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Because women are viewed as useless on the battle field. Many men don’t even like the fact that women can now be a part of the infantry or that women are in the military at all because they feel that female soldiers endanger men. It has very little to do with care and concern for women’s safety. They care about how women will impact men’s safety and efficiency.
/r/PurplePillDebate16/09/20 06:49 PM
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Thank you! I’m getting so sick of this excuse. Men do things for their own goals and interests. Not for love of women as a collective. It’s why they have disdain for women who don’t serve their interests. The men here love to pretend that all men are over the moon in love with women and live to serve them when that’s not true.
/r/PurplePillDebate16/09/20 06:47 PM
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I wouldn’t say I don’t want men to have sex because of TRP. But TRp creeps me out tbh. So I make sure I’m aware of the tactics and I’ve spread the information around to all my female friends. I wouldn’t want them to encounter a guy like that or get caught up in that stuff because I know the goals of men who use trp and the goals of most of the women I know don’t align so I just tell them to watch out. Outside of that I don’t care. What they do is their business as long as they’re not doing it to…
/r/PurplePillDebate16/09/20 06:45 PM
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I get that. But this dialogue is being framed as if men are the only ones who lose themselves in a relationship.Yet there’s so many contradictions going on.
/r/PurplePillDebate16/09/20 03:00 PM
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The hurdle I was referring to was the aging population but declining birth rates in the west. There’s less people paying into social security than there will be taking out. That can cause some serious problems. If we can make it through that we can survive as long as employment rates stay high and wages keep up enough with the cost of living. The welfare star won’t be such a big concern then if those conditions are met. Well that’s your problem. You picked a financially irresponsible partner who…
/r/PurplePillDebate16/09/20 12:52 PM
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It’s still useful in some countries for building generational wealth because married couples get treated better in many ways.
/r/PurplePillDebate16/09/20 11:21 AM
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If you married your financial equal that wouldn’t be a problem. You also wouldn’t be the only one “losing”
/r/PurplePillDebate16/09/20 11:21 AM
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Exactly! If you marry you financial equal and have a pre-nup that you both sat down with separate but equally qualified lawyers to make. As well as joint appointments. You’ll be ok. If you divorce just liquidate your assets split down the middle and go your separate ways. Kids are what complicate things because custody battles can be brutal. This can happen outside of marriage too though.
/r/PurplePillDebate16/09/20 11:19 AM
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So then saying only the guy is giving up his hobbies is disingenuous then. Pick a script fellas please.
/r/PurplePillDebate16/09/20 11:17 AM
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They’re not really exploitative. The laws have remained the same but now you’re seeing a different outcome. I assume you’re referring to alimony payments and all that? The laws are in favor of the lower earning spouse. If you marry someone who is your financial equal you can get out of this. You’ll slowly start to see an erosion of the alleged gender bias in divorce laws because: 1) people are more likely to marry along class lines now and 2) there are more married couples with female breadwinne…
/r/PurplePillDebate16/09/20 11:10 AM
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No. If you want to live a bachelor lifestyle it’s best to just stay single. That lifestyle is more compatible with short term relationships.
/r/PurplePillDebate16/09/20 11:09 AM
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The welfare state won’t be a problem if we get through this upcoming hurdle. If society makes it past that things will be ok. That’s great for you. Relationships can be expensive. I’ve experienced similar as a woman. When I’m single I have surplus income as well because I’m not spending as much on large joint purchases, I’m just financing myself. I imagine it’s the same for you that’s why you had a surplus of 10k. Whether a married or single person is better off depends entirely on spending habi…
/r/PurplePillDebate16/09/20 11:07 AM
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This is a dying problem. Women work living wages now and most people marry along class lines. Men who choose to remain unmarried are doing so largely because they prefer it. Especially considering the current economic climate. They don’t have a house or assets to lose. They have debt and a place they rent.
/r/PurplePillDebate15/09/20 06:43 PM
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Even if that wasn’t the case there’d still be forever bachelors. Some people genuinely prefer being single. Even when divorce laws were stricter for women there were men who chose to never marry.
/r/PurplePillDebate15/09/20 05:08 PM
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Not having a partner is not shitty. There’s men who are voluntarily opting to be partner less because they like it better.
/r/PurplePillDebate12/09/20 02:29 PM
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Stress, fatigue, poor diet and a couple others things lower it too. Stress and fatigue can happen to a guy from being a home maker and stay at home parent. Especially if they’re taking care of an infant/infants. It happens to women all the time, I wouldn’t be very surprised if it happens to men too and lowers their sex drive.
/r/PurplePillDebate11/09/20 07:30 AM
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The article you linked didn’t specify who was responsible for the sexual decline. Why assume it’s the woman? Maybe the men don’t feel sexy doing traditionally women’s work and it lowers their libido. Maybe they’re tired from childcare and domestic work so they don’t have energy for sex. There could be a lot of reasons why.
/r/PurplePillDebate11/09/20 07:03 AM
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You’re confused. Here’s an excerpt from my last comment. A truly 50/50 Union is a good alternative to let both genders escape their gender roles. Something I’ve also previously proposed as an alternative for people who aren’t into the male breadwinner dynamic. It’s one that’s beneficial for both parties. Women are plenty flexible. When they’re the breadwinners they’re not as keen on divorce if the man does household chores.
/r/PurplePillDebate11/09/20 06:44 AM
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Straw man. I already said I’m in favor of liberation for both. A truly 50/50 Union is a good alternative to let both genders escape their gender roles. What you and my own research has shown me is that in most breadwinning wife marriages the wife is fulfilling her gender role + the mans leaving both parties miserable. That’s not liberation for anyone. So basically you’re not in favor of liberation for women or men. Got it.
/r/PurplePillDebate11/09/20 05:44 AM
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You didn’t factually destroy my beliefs you just gave me more reason to not be in favor of advising any women I care about to be breadwinner wives. There’s basically no upside to this dynamic then. They have higher divorce rates and a big mitigating factor results in dead bedroom. You just solidified my view that it takes a very particular type of people to make this dynamic work.
/r/PurplePillDebate11/09/20 05:28 AM
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Thats probably why you’re still married. I started doing all the domestic work once I got into my preteens and suspiciously enough that’s when my parents marriage started to really fall apart. The studies I’ve read on breadwinner wife couples and why they divorce say that men pulling more weight on the domestic and childcare side can mitigate/lower the divorce risk. This isn’t happening enough. Whether it’s because men don’t want to or women don’t trust them to is beyond me. However as this is s…
/r/PurplePillDebate11/09/20 05:16 AM
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When that was the case women still left men as soon as they were able to financially support themselves. Women do not deal with men they aren’t attracted to unless there’s severe outside pressure to do so. Even if you got what you wished women would still choose being single over being with men they don’t like. The only difference is they wouldn’t spend as much or any tine trying to fulfill those unrealistic standards.
/r/PurplePillDebate11/09/20 05:11 AM
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There’s also plenty of women who regret having kids and who they had then with. Which imo is much worse. The ones who regret not doing it have a “the grass is greener on the other side mentality”. Women who settle are the ones who divorce for reasons men loathe. Do you want more of that?bn
/r/PurplePillDebate11/09/20 05:02 AM
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I checked the stats again and it’s 41% for first marriages. It’s 60% for second marriages. When you break it down by marriage types the numbers also change. Breadwinning wives drive the divorce rate up further. Certain dynamics have higher rates of success than others. Imo if you’re going to do it, do it in a way that will set you up for success. Ik for me if my only options were poor men I’d just forego it all together. Save us both the hassle of an inevitable divorce. Most women know what they…
/r/PurplePillDebate11/09/20 04:55 AM
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Not all women want to be tradwives. Some want a double income household too. A growing number are ok with providing for a man as well but they put a lot more weight into looks and personality since they’re not looking at finances. Either way agree to disagree I don’t think women are bratty and full of shit for not getting with men they’re not attracted to. It’s better for both women and the men they’re leaving out. I don’t know many men who would be happy to know their gf or wife is with them be…
/r/PurplePillDebate11/09/20 04:54 AM
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The divorce rate is 50% it’s lower for first marriage, the 70% stat refers to the rate at which women file. This balances out in marriages where the woman is the breadwinner you see more men filing for divorce. Also I’m dead so the high divorce rate is a great horror to the men of ppd when it’s women filing but not when men are filing? So lowering the divorce date obviously wasn’t the cause of the outrage so what was?
/r/PurplePillDebate11/09/20 04:45 AM
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It’s not that much. That’s how much I make and I’d barely consider myself middle class. Even with how frugal I am. She brings an extra income, affection, attention home making skills and the ability to give you kids if you want them. We just don’t see eye to eye. I honestly don’t see why it’s upsetting to you that women prefer to remain single vs getting with guys they’re not attracted to. Would you rather they feign attraction to guys they don’t like only to get more distant over time? I don’t …
/r/PurplePillDebate11/09/20 04:42 AM
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Women aren’t saying men have to adhere to their gender roles. Everyone has a choice. If you don’t want to don’t do it. Everyone can have their own preferences too though. If you don’t fit someones oh well. A woman isn’t going to be bitchy to a guy she actually likes. She does that when she goes for one she’s not attracted to. Which is why I’m firm on the idea that it’s better for women to just stay single than be with men they don’t like. Not full of shit. You can’t force attraction.
/r/PurplePillDebate11/09/20 04:32 AM
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And those couples are more likely to divorce. The men in those marriages are more likely to file for divorce than men in other marital arrangements as well. As I said neither party likes it. As a someone who grew up in that kind of household I have an idea as to why.
/r/PurplePillDebate11/09/20 04:15 AM
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Whether their standards are delusional or not is irrelevant or subjective. People standards are borne from them knowing what they’re attracted to and what they can and can’t tolerate. Most men aren’t willing to throw their money at women because they don’t have money to spare like that. Men are also very paranoid about getting used for their money as well. There is no shit to cut.
/r/PurplePillDebate11/09/20 04:14 AM
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Neither party likes it when the woman makes more. I grew up in a household like that and it blew up in my parents faces. Men like to feel needed by women and being a provider or being a supporter gives them that. Often times in female breadwinner homes they don’t have space to do either because the woman does both roles. Which makes the man feel useless and her resentful. Then she starts emasculating him because she’s resentful. Those relationships never work. I understand and empathize with the…
/r/PurplePillDebate11/09/20 04:11 AM
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You obviously weren’t just talking marriage because you said to just knock up a random chick. Not a gf or anything so there is no formal relationship at all. You also made a cynical joke about divorce and a woman taking your kids that implied that you didn’t care or have any concern over whether or not you have custody of them which is also very telling. Essentially you would want it set up where she would do all the work and struggling from conception to adulthood and you’d just reap the benefi…
/r/PurplePillDebate11/09/20 04:05 AM
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I saw that but I also saw your comment about knocking a random girl up to evade responsibility/pressure.
/r/PurplePillDebate11/09/20 03:54 AM
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Stop dating women they’ll be happier that way.
/r/PurplePillDebate11/09/20 03:52 AM
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Nope I’ll take it here Lmaoo. Why do you want kids anyway? It doesn’t seem you want to raise them from what you’ve said here?
/r/PurplePillDebate11/09/20 03:52 AM
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They definitely aren’t full of shit. They just know what they like and honestly I have more respect for the women who opt out when they don’t get what they want vs the ones that try to force themselves to be with a guy they feel nothing but platonic feelings towards only to have a relationship that leaves both parties miserable.
/r/PurplePillDebate11/09/20 03:41 AM
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I would counsel you against having kids and anyone with half a brain would do the same. If done right it serves as a means of wealth building and stability for your kids. Kids from healthy married two parent homes do better than kids with divorced parents and than kids with never married cohabitating parents. I don’t really care whether you’re for marriage or not but I’d advise you against having kids. Why not just stay single and child free forever and sleep around?
/r/PurplePillDebate11/09/20 03:40 AM
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The things you do are you. They’re conscious choices you make that are reflective of your personality being loved for your body is just as shallow as being loved for money. They’re both fleeting. At least with money you have more control over it. You can’t stop your body from aging but you can almost always make more money.
/r/PurplePillDebate11/09/20 03:37 AM
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You’re not your body. You’re your personality and the things you do.
/r/PurplePillDebate10/09/20 06:59 PM
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On average they are not. And that combined with men’s grievances are driving the marriage rates down. Or just don’t have kids. The kids born from those situations drive the marriages rates way down as well.
/r/PurplePillDebate10/09/20 06:59 PM
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Men do not love women for their being. They love women for what they can provide as well. Their youth and sexuality. The list of conditions men have is not shorter.
/r/PurplePillDebate10/09/20 06:55 PM
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Some women do. As I said it depends on a particular woman’s values. Female breadwinners are slowly becoming more common. So there are women who are ok working more so the man does more of the housework. Women who prefer working on the domestic side want a man who works more outside. It depends like I said. At this point though they’re not getting either. So being single looks like a better option to many women. Being in a stable two parent household is the ideal. Getting divorced or having part …
/r/PurplePillDebate10/09/20 06:52 PM
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There have also been dozens claiming men actually love women for who they are. It’s probably true for some people within a gender but for the most part it isn’t true for either. No they don’t. Men just have less opportunities to trade out. When they do they act the same way as women. They’re no better. Let’s not pretend otherwise.
/r/PurplePillDebate10/09/20 06:49 PM
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Idk some probably do because they let themselves get into horrendous situations over love for a man. A smart woman would be careful who she lets herself fall for though. Most men don’t love women holistically and unconditionally so women should not feel any guilt at treating men the same way.
/r/PurplePillDebate10/09/20 06:41 PM
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What is unreasonable is expecting the man to both earn more (working more hours outside the home) and contribute equal hours inside the home. Women want either or depending on her particular values but most men offer neither. Modern men don't have to kowtow to the entitled, narcissistic demands of the above. Over half of millennial births are to single moms if a guy wants kids he can knock up some girl outside of wedlock and save yourself the bill and the nagging and having to wake up to the sam…
/r/PurplePillDebate10/09/20 06:41 PM
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Neither sex loves the other for who they are. We live in a cut throat world and smart people won’t allow themselves to fall for someone only to regret the relationship later.
/r/PurplePillDebate10/09/20 06:38 PM
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Well we had a good run. Nothing lasts forever. No one wants a partner that adds nothing to their life. Both men and women should just find ways to live full happy single lives if they don’t find compatible partners. Most women aren’t bitter and full of shit. They just know what’s worth their youth and energy and what isn’t. They’re damned if they do damned if they don’t. So it’s best to just not play the dating game unless you’re taking active steps to attract a quality partner. If that’s not fe…
/r/PurplePillDebate10/09/20 05:50 PM
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I don’t have any issues and I don’t blame men for anything in my life. All I’m saying is I’m not going to take on more work just because a man is whining at me to do it. There needs to be some incentive. It seems a large number of women feel modern men do not provide any incentive so they’re choosing not to marry or cohabitate until they find a man who does. I honestly don’t see what’s wrong with that.
/r/PurplePillDebate10/09/20 05:38 PM
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Men won’t always provide. Especially not in the modern era. More and more want 50/50 but only when it comes to finances. Everything else they push onto the woman. So if women are leeches for doing that to men then let’s be consistent. Men are leeches too when they do it. Being alone is much better than being with a horrible partner. If I don’t find a “prince” I’d rather stay alone that have a useless man suck me dry.
/r/PurplePillDebate10/09/20 05:35 PM
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If you just want sex then you have no dog in this fight and no reason to talk. Why are you concerned about marital decline and the reasons why? It has no bearing on your life. This study isn’t saying women won’t sleep with poor men it’s saying they won’t marry them so why you’re contributing to this dialogue is beyond me. This particular discourse is only relevant to people who want marriage and kids or people who are fence sitting and need something to help them decide if they’re for or against…
/r/PurplePillDebate10/09/20 05:15 PM
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This is not an unreasonable expectation. Modern men don’t have much else to offer. The only reason to be ok with being with a man who makes less than you is if you don’t want to cohabitate or have children. If you don’t want those things then yes this is an unreasonable expectation but if you do, like many women do, then it’s being responsible. Half of you commenting here would be the first ones to say a woman should’ve chosen better if she had kids with a poor guy who can’t help her take care o…
/r/PurplePillDebate10/09/20 05:12 PM
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These women are being responsible and protecting themselves and their interests not being leeches. The true leeches are the males here mad that women don’t want to do everything for nothing. No one does. Men don’t like doing that for women so I don’t see why they’re so shocked to learn women don’t want to deal with men like that.
/r/PurplePillDebate10/09/20 05:09 PM
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So I’m triggered but you went through my posts? I’m well aware of what the real world is like in living in it and have been for years. If you were doing the same you’d know that artificial gametes are in the works and that there’s growing numbers of people trying to live lifestyles apart from the monogamous nuclear family unit thing. You don’t positively focus your energy on either though and instead negatively focus it on people who live in ways you don’t like. Kinda weird js. Yes I’m 22 if you…
/r/PurplePillDebate10/09/20 05:07 PM
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How old are you? Just asking because you don’t seem well versed on current events surround human advancement. Yet you have an opinion on it?
/r/PurplePillDebate10/09/20 04:19 PM
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Stop dating women you’ll be happier that way.
/r/PurplePillDebate10/09/20 04:18 PM
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You just don’t live in reality. Stop dating women you’ll be happier that way.
/r/PurplePillDebate10/09/20 04:15 PM
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Stop dating women you’ll be happier that way.
/r/PurplePillDebate10/09/20 04:14 PM
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If you lived in the real world you’d know that they have the science now to change peoples gender and change their bodies so they physically conform with the gender they want to be. That they’re working on artificial wombs and sperm replacement. You can help out with the research so people who don’t like traditional gender roles can have a happy solution and be free instead of limited by their biology and making decisions based on that. Yet instead you’re here crying and complaining about women …
/r/PurplePillDebate10/09/20 04:13 PM
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It doesn’t make sense to you because you lack the necessary comprehension skills. Stop dating women you’ll be happier that way.
/r/PurplePillDebate10/09/20 04:09 PM
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Yet I have more than you. Stop dating women you’ll be happier that way.
/r/PurplePillDebate10/09/20 04:07 PM
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Even better. Men can do it. C’mon get to work it’s the final frontier
/r/PurplePillDebate10/09/20 04:07 PM
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Idk who Kathy Newman is. Stop dating women you’ll be happier that way.
/r/PurplePillDebate10/09/20 04:05 PM
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Women already know hardships. Change men to women but make sure they can get pregnant. Please and thank you.
/r/PurplePillDebate10/09/20 04:04 PM
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So you’re saying men have no autonomy and intelligence? Stop dating women you’ll be happier that way.
/r/PurplePillDebate10/09/20 04:03 PM
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Absolutely nothing. Especially not in the west.
/r/PurplePillDebate10/09/20 04:02 PM
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Please do. There’s many men out here who want to be women and you can help them sate their womb envy. Get to work.
/r/PurplePillDebate10/09/20 04:01 PM
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Stop dating women you’ll be happier that way.
/r/PurplePillDebate10/09/20 04:00 PM
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The power is in you. Use it. It’s the next step in evolution.
/r/PurplePillDebate10/09/20 04:00 PM
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Stop dating women you’ll be happier that way.
/r/PurplePillDebate10/09/20 03:59 PM
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You always knew, you just never applied yourself to use it. Go ahead change it. Humans have tampered with nature and biology for a while. You can push through the next step for the sake of gender equality.
/r/PurplePillDebate10/09/20 03:58 PM
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Stop dating women. You’ll be happier that way.
/r/PurplePillDebate10/09/20 03:56 PM
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Yes you can since you want to complain about it. Change it.
/r/PurplePillDebate10/09/20 03:56 PM
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Greed is good.
/r/PurplePillDebate10/09/20 03:55 PM
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Stop dating women.
/r/PurplePillDebate10/09/20 03:55 PM
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You know what you’re right. Men should get pregnant and deal with all that instead. Women should work and play part time parent. That’d be better for everyone.
/r/PurplePillDebate10/09/20 03:54 PM
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Economic class and social class are not the same thing.
/r/PurplePillDebate10/09/20 02:25 PM
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The stats say it’s dying. I trust that more than you or any other sjw. You realize you don’t have to get married right?
/r/PurplePillDebate10/09/20 12:34 PM
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Thats an old and dying trope
/r/PurplePillDebate10/09/20 12:29 PM
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In the modern world most people marry within their economic class.
/r/PurplePillDebate10/09/20 11:22 AM
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Yes the only reason to be with a poor man is if you do not and will never want kids. If you do want kids then you’ll have to work twice as bard to make sure you can support the whole family because you don’t have 2 good incomes coming in.
/r/PurplePillDebate10/09/20 11:22 AM
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If you’re planning to have kids w then you should care about the fathers job because you’ll need his financial help as well to raise the kid. If he doesn’t fit then there’s no point engaging with him because you’ll get caught up with your feelings then end up a poor mother on welfare or a woman so over stressed from working that you barely see your kids because you’re working all the time and doing everything. A mans love can’t feed you and your kids. It can’t get you health insurance, put a roo…
/r/PurplePillDebate10/09/20 11:19 AM
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There still would be. People would adopt the dating style they like.
/r/PurplePillDebate10/09/20 11:14 AM
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If those women weren’t engaging it’s because they didn’t like the guy because even in the modern smp they’ll still put in effort for guys they really like. Not everyone will be compatible with each other but that’s ok. There’ll still be a few that you do click with. A lot of women will go on dates with guys they’re not that into just to see if there’s more chemistry in person. When that’s not the case that’s when you’ll see them being boring and un-engaging. Those women probably want a more trad…
/r/PurplePillDebate10/09/20 11:09 AM
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The women should text and be an engaging as well. Not just sit there. . . Im not advocating for that.
/r/PurplePillDebate10/09/20 05:00 AM
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Agree to disagree then. They can be good but just not compatible. Not everyone will be compatible with each other and people like different types of relationship dynamics. I don’t know if I’d say I like super traditional gender roles because I like working and would want an active loving father. Not just an atm. I just like more dominant passionate guys. I reciprocate with just as much affection but I prefer guys that take the lead on certain things and I reciprocate in other ways.
/r/PurplePillDebate10/09/20 04:49 AM
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They can be assertive by flirting. As I said different parts of life require different levels of assertion and aggression. Also have you ever considered that to the women complaining a man not approaching/being passive doesn’t count as “good” in their eyes? Different women have different tastes. Women who are ok with certain relationship dynamics approach guys and keep trying until they find one that sticks. It depends on what you want.
/r/PurplePillDebate10/09/20 04:20 AM
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They put for initial action by flirting and letting the guy know they’re interested. Then by being as equally warm, engaged and affectionate as the guy when he approaches.
/r/PurplePillDebate10/09/20 04:18 AM
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There’s times to be assertive and times to hang back. It depends on the situation.
/r/PurplePillDebate10/09/20 03:46 AM
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True.
/r/PurplePillDebate10/09/20 03:45 AM
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My assertion was that men have varied opinions from each other. They have varied opinions from women too. The genders aren’t monolithic.
/r/PurplePillDebate10/09/20 03:45 AM
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The woman approaching isn’t equal either. Also honestly it depends on the quality of the relationship. If you’re dating people that don’t reciprocate that’s a different problem.
/r/PurplePillDebate10/09/20 03:44 AM
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I said in one of my initial comments that men like it. I was never arguing against that. All I’m saying is that it’s high risk low reward for women. So I could not in good faith advise any woman to do that.
/r/PurplePillDebate10/09/20 03:43 AM
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Agree to disagree then. My opinion remains the same. You can show a man you’re interested but still leave things open for them to approach first.
/r/PurplePillDebate10/09/20 03:42 AM
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I’m glad it worked out for guys then.
/r/PurplePillDebate09/09/20 06:50 PM
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How did she approach you. Also I’m not arguing about/against the “likes”. Most men would love to be approached. Which I acknowledged. What I’m saying is that more often than not approaching a man is high risk low reward for women. So it’s not something I could in good faith advise a woman to do.
/r/PurplePillDebate09/09/20 06:32 PM
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It’s not but sorry if it upset you.
/r/PurplePillDebate09/09/20 06:21 PM
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No women can make maximal effort as well just in different ways.
/r/PurplePillDebate09/09/20 06:07 PM
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Women don’t have abundance by existence. That’s only true for pretty women.
/r/PurplePillDebate09/09/20 05:53 PM
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I disagree. Agree to disagree? Who are “you people”?
/r/PurplePillDebate09/09/20 05:16 PM
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Most? no. Some yes. I guess there’s no need to elaborate since it doesn’t matter from my perspective. Were you asking rhetorical questions?
/r/PurplePillDebate09/09/20 05:08 PM
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Fair enough
/r/PurplePillDebate09/09/20 05:06 PM
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That’s why I said pick the best among your suitors. You’re going to attract men somewhat on your level. Pick the guy that treats you the best and who you’ll have the best future with. Not one that has no other options besides you because he’s not really with you because he likes you. He’s there out of desperation and that can cause future problems. I didn’t used to pick the best of my options I picked the worst out of insecurity and my dating life was trash for it. I’ve worked on myself physical…
/r/PurplePillDebate09/09/20 04:55 PM
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Or by picking the best among who’ve approached you. What I’m starting to notice is that a lot of women consider flirting with a guy first as “approaching him”. Idk if that’s your view too but honestly if you’ve done that if he doesn’t reciprocate just move on. Approaching guys is high risk low reward and you don’t need to do it to get a boyfriend or husband.
/r/PurplePillDebate09/09/20 04:38 PM
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The condiment. . .?
/r/PurplePillDebate09/09/20 04:36 PM
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I’m waiting on responses back to see what they mean by “approached”. Of the people who did expand a lot of the stories here the women just flirted first but it was still ultimately the man that asked the woman out and got the ball rolling in that regard. So I think it may be an issue of semantics.
/r/PurplePillDebate09/09/20 04:24 PM
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I don’t like cats. I’m more partial to hamsters. Of course both sexes like attention. That’s why if you like a guy you reciprocate. If you don’t want to be pumped and dumped though just be careful. Watch his actions to see if he’s actually into you.
/r/PurplePillDebate09/09/20 04:22 PM
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Most average men do. Their standards are much lower than HVM but they go beyond just wanting a thin woman. They want a thin woman who they’re attracted to who would make a good life partner. So someone who is pleasant to be around and who’s values aren’t too contradictory to theirs. For a high value man you need all of the aforementioned plus you have to be very physically attractive, not just thin. Well educated, young, have a lot of common interests, improve his life in some way typically soci…
/r/PurplePillDebate09/09/20 04:20 PM
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It’s still high risk low reward because the guy will think something is up. Men have married women who flirted with them or sent out iois but it’s not the same as approaching. Their wives gave them the green light to get the ball rolling.
/r/PurplePillDebate09/09/20 04:11 PM
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He’ll know you’re interested and think you’re an easy lay. If you’ve flirted with a guy or sent out iois and he doesn’t reciprocate chances are he’s not into you like that. So it’s best to move on. All approaching him will do is get you f*ckzoned.
/r/PurplePillDebate09/09/20 04:10 PM
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Men think differently but none of their various thoughts on this issue from what I’ve seen show that it’s of any benefit for women to do this.
/r/PurplePillDebate09/09/20 04:09 PM
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No, you make a full effort with guys who are clearly into you.
/r/PurplePillDebate09/09/20 04:08 PM
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Elaborate what you mean by approach if you don’t mind because I’m starting to think this may be an issue of semantics. I’m not saying play games. What I’m saying is it’s typically more worthwhile to pick the best among your suitors.
/r/PurplePillDebate09/09/20 04:07 PM
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False. They can only get marriage and relationships from incels. Average men have other standards like personality and lifestyle compatibility. If you have a crappy personality, severely mentally Ill, no common interests, nothing going for you being thin isn’t going to save you. Men have standards too.
/r/PurplePillDebate09/09/20 04:05 PM
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Not just a few. This is where men come to give their true unfiltered opinions. The men that married women who approached didn’t really get “approached” their wives gave them the green light. I’m not against that as I’ve said. It’s ok to give iois. However a straight up cold approach like what men do to women isn’t something I’d advise women to do. It’s high risk low reward.
/r/PurplePillDebate09/09/20 04:03 PM
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Good for you maybe. Approaching men is great for men but it’s not for women unless you just want sex.
/r/PurplePillDebate09/09/20 02:27 PM
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Only incels would be satisfied with that. For average and above average men a woman needs to come with a whole lot more than just being skinny. Unless you’re talking just sex?
/r/PurplePillDebate09/09/20 02:18 PM
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It’s the truth and even a couple men in this thread have indirectly or directly verified. One said he knows it’s an easy lay, another that the woman seems desperate then a few who said they’d feel flattered but think something is up. It’s just how things are. The only reason a woman should approach a man is if she is just looking for casual sex. If you want more don’t get your hopes up. You’ll have better odds just picking the best of your suitors and it’s lower risk too.
/r/PurplePillDebate09/09/20 02:17 PM
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It’s the truth. Guys will assume something is up if you approach them in the same way men do women. If you’re a woman looking for something more serious the most you should do is send out iois to give him the green light on approaching you.
/r/PurplePillDebate09/09/20 02:14 PM
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Nope, not for a woman. You let them approach you then the ball is in your court. If you approach a guy that’s below your level beyond just signaling attraction he’s going to think something is up. Or that something is wrong with you and f*ckzone you.
/r/PurplePillDebate09/09/20 02:08 PM
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FDS is right in that regard. Their target audience are women looking for relationships. Approaching men is only good if you’re looking for casual sex. If you want more it’s better to pick the best among the guys who’ve approached you.
/r/PurplePillDebate09/09/20 02:00 PM
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Men like it because they view it as easy sex. I wouldn’t advise a woman to do it unless she’s looking for the same thing but men aren’t against it.
/r/PurplePillDebate09/09/20 01:59 PM
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For a first date a casual meal or getting desserts. After we’ve known each other for a bit I prefer activities like a picnic, roller skating, bowling etc. Or going to movies or a more upscale restaurant.
/r/PurplePillDebate01/09/20 01:05 PM
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People who are having fun and getting to know multiple people
/r/PurplePillDebate01/09/20 01:02 PM
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Of course, it’s an exaggeration but it shows a little of what each gender desires. You may not be a hot Viking chieftain but you might be able to be a hot assertive masculine man. Which I’d bet was a huge part of the chieftains appeal.
/r/PurplePillDebate26/05/20 06:03 PM
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I do believe that insincere advice falls into the category of "lies", so what's your objection? And remember that this is often given to youths by people who are in positions of authority/respect, so people they've been trained to listen to and trust. My objection is that this isn’t advice. They’re platitudes and depending on who’s saying it, they’re not lies either. When it comes from friends and family they probably genuinely do believe you’re worthy of love and sex and will say things to chee…
/r/PurplePillDebate26/05/20 05:43 PM
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Well the “what else” is more specific to the guy. It depends on what his sense of humor is, what hobbies does he have, his interests and how he likes a woman to engage with him on discussion about it etc. It’s not something you can really give generalized advice about. Like one guy might like a girl who challenges him and banters with him but another guy might view that as bitchy behavior and prefer a girl who knows enough about a topic to admire how smart and informed he is but not to the point…
/r/PurplePillDebate26/05/20 05:25 PM
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Maybe I’m talking about the “advice” to “be yourself” “any girl would be lucky to have you” etc. Men view these as lies when they’re not meant to be taken as genuine advice. It’s just men to cheer up a dude who’s bummed about not getting women. It’s the same as when women tell their friends “the right guy will come along some day” “he didn’t deserve you” etc. People aren’t actually meant to follow this to a T. It’s just something people say to cheer you up and make the miserable experience of li…
/r/PurplePillDebate26/05/20 05:19 PM
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It’s slightly different for women, they like feeling validated and desired. The level of respect they need to feel happy is lower than what men need and same with admiration. A lot of women wouldn’t care that their partner doesn’t admire them as long as they’re desired. With men it’s not the same, they need both. Also ego stroking a woman can turn her off a man, she’ll feel like he’s pedestalizing her. While ego stroking almost always turns a man on and makes him feel powerful. So it’s not exact…
/r/PurplePillDebate26/05/20 05:12 PM
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I guess I’m confused on what you’re getting at?
/r/PurplePillDebate26/05/20 05:09 PM
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Ok. So you are making my point. They are not giving them all the tools they need. They are by telling them what to watch out for. Th rest they have to figure out themselves as part of their journey into adulthood. No... they tell what they want from a man they find attractive but they don't mention that they want those things from a man they find attractive and they don't give any information about what they find attractive in the first place. Hence why I said it doesn’t register to men. When me…
/r/PurplePillDebate26/05/20 05:08 PM
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Why would I tell you to shut up? I think they’re platitudes because people usually say them to cheer someone up after a rejection or a series of rejections. It’s said to boost the persons self esteem and mood. They may or may not be true but they’re not meant to be genuine useful advice. It’s just a mood booster.
/r/PurplePillDebate26/05/20 04:58 PM
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Women also tell their sons what type of women to avoid and keep an eye out for. They just don’t tell their sons how to get laid which is what men want but most mothers view being a manwhore as something bad. Their advice is for prepping their sons to be good husbands and fathers and it works. But that’s not what men want. Chick flicks are not a lie. They’re heavily exaggerated but they do show what women are attracted to and turned on by. I brought up the ego stroking because it’s true. It’s mor…
/r/PurplePillDebate26/05/20 04:56 PM
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Because parents are supposed to care about their children and give them the tools and knowledge they will need to improve their chances to build a happy life for themselves. Parents tell their kids what to avoid and look out for not how to get laid. Mothers tell their sons not to pick crazy women or low quality women. Just like how fathers tell their daughters not to date bums or abusers and to look out for men who just want sex. Also, women are the ones that know this shit. Their fathers tend t…
/r/PurplePillDebate26/05/20 04:33 PM
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You mean men? Men are the ones who sleep with women they despise, they will even sleep with women they are disgusted by if she’s hot. Women don’t really do that, fear and arousal are intertwined for some women which I think you’re confusing with hate. Hate and disgust for a man turns women off.
/r/PurplePillDebate26/05/20 04:05 PM
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Why do women have to do that? Women learn buy observing what men are responsive to. Men should be able to do the same especially since guys like the claim men are the more intelligent gender. I’ll link another comment of mine to cover the rest of what you said. My other comment: Most of that is platitudes and people with even a lick of social awareness can piece things together and figure out what’s what. Women are told useless platitudes as well that they just need to find the right guy and any…
/r/PurplePillDebate26/05/20 04:03 PM
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No because they hate women so women will hate them or be apathetic towards them.
/r/PurplePillDebate26/05/20 04:00 PM
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Most of that is platitudes and people with even a lick of social awareness can piece things together and figure out what’s what. Women are told useless platitudes as well that they just need to find the right guy and any guy would be lucky to have them, if a guy isn’t shallow looks won’t matter etc. Yet the beauty industry is a multi-billion dollar industry and women collectively shell out millions for self-help and dating advice books, gurus and videos. Some may outwardly spew that feel good pc…
/r/PurplePillDebate26/05/20 03:59 PM
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How so?
/r/PurplePillDebate26/05/20 03:56 PM
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I don’t expect them to do that at all. My point is though since they didn’t do that they need to stop going around saying women and society lied to them. What women are attracted to has always been there. The packaging was just not what men wanted to see. That’s not women’s fault though. Women primarily offer looks because that’s what attracts men. Even in men’s media you see what type of women they like and the personality qualities may vary but the woman is always conventionally attractive. Me…
/r/PurplePillDebate26/05/20 03:55 PM
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Two cliches are twilight and 50 shades of gray. It’s about hot well off men assertively and passionately pursuing the female protagonists. Mamma Mia, charming good looking men who wooed the mother and had passionate trysts with her. Bridget Jones Baby she gets chased by two handsome suave confident men who try to outdo each other to win her favor. This movie flopped but the book did well and it’s why it became a movie in the first place: after a misunderstood hot guy who doesn’t really do relati…
/r/PurplePillDebate26/05/20 03:37 PM
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It’s not just my bad experiences I’m pulling from, my views on men also come from observing other womens experiences with men and looking at how men are with each other, listening to how men truly feel about women etc. Fair enough though. Have a nice day.
/r/PurplePillDebate26/05/20 02:34 PM
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Ok and? Why do I have to shut up? It’s especially true of men here.
/r/PurplePillDebate26/05/20 02:29 PM
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They believe bullshit because they choose to. If they watched chick flicks or were privy to women’s media then they’d know what women like. Instead they swallow the blue pill from media created by men and then blame it on women. Like I’m sorry a fantasy world created by a man showing what he wants women to be isn’t indicative of what women actually want and are but that’s not women’s fault.
/r/PurplePillDebate26/05/20 02:28 PM
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They’re not misguided. This behavior is standard operation for men and the only way to deal with it is to throw back what they dish out. Otherwise they’ll think it’s ok to do.
/r/PurplePillDebate26/05/20 02:26 PM
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Men do it to women. So why not?
/r/PurplePillDebate26/05/20 01:29 PM
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Projection Nah. You probably just have a guilty conscience.
/r/PurplePillDebate26/05/20 01:10 PM
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If they became less harsh, less violent and more empathetic.
/r/PurplePillDebate26/05/20 01:08 PM
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I don’t want to say you’re wrong per se, but this sub is only a problem if you internalize whats said here and you don’t self manage. I know from time to time I need to take breaks from certain subs so I do. This sub is interesting but I’m careful about how much time on it so I don’t become a misandrist. If you’re a somewhat responsible person you should be able to do this and avoid internalizing the negativity that’s spewed here.
/r/PurplePillDebate26/05/20 09:17 AM
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Men will disrespect women anyway. They don’t sleep with women they respect.
/r/PurplePillDebate26/05/20 03:58 AM
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It’s the same in the US, except with “feminazi” instead of feminist and “cat lady” or “you’re going to die alone”.
/r/PurplePillDebate26/05/20 03:42 AM
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Free porn isn’t interactive. I’m not 100% sure if it’s the same with onlyfans but with cam girls in general you can make requests and have private chats so it makes it more personal than free porn. I doubt most men care about this but paying for content from a verified performer is also more ethical and if you don’t want to quit watching porn full stop it’s a good loophole.
/r/PurplePillDebate23/05/20 11:58 PM
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She was for filming at her job but most of them will be fine if they don’t lowkey dox themselves. There’s some guys who are into this and some girls are filmed by or film with their boyfriends and husbands. If they don’t post anything that makes it easy to track them or they choose to continue on in sex work but a different type they’ll be fine once they’re done with camming.
/r/PurplePillDebate23/05/20 11:52 PM
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You can go abroad and get it done
/r/PurplePillDebate25/04/20 04:55 PM
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Perhaps it was a poor word choice, it’s modern/current pop culture, the styling, vernacular and trends that are being pushed now comes mainly from African American culture and some other non-American black influences.
/r/PurplePillDebate25/04/20 04:26 PM
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Look at pop culture right now. It’s black culture. That’s how black men have influenced other.
/r/PurplePillDebate25/04/20 04:02 PM
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Weight is always the go to when women bring up height though. Technically, you can change both with modern tech.
/r/PurplePillDebate25/04/20 04:00 PM
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More rights for men.
/r/PurplePillDebate17/04/20 08:21 PM
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If you’re a man, and not in the top 10% there’s a lot to be gained. If that’s the way you feel though then I’m not going to try and change your mind.
/r/PurplePillDebate17/04/20 03:21 PM
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If you can have an orgasm on your own but not with a penis. Clearly skill is not the problem.
/r/PurplePillDebate17/04/20 03:19 PM
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“All” lol.
/r/PurplePillDebate17/04/20 05:41 AM
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But, so did you Nope I didn’t. That was just your assessment because I didn’t answer your previous question. Again, believe what you want to believe. The fact is that the majority of women are boring. It’s not my belief it’s the truth. Just because you’re boring and attract boring npcs doesn’t mean all women are like that. No, because those are the men that are talking to her. If she says "every man I see is ugly" then that means to her, men aren't attractive. Key words: To her this is an inadve…
/r/PurplePillDebate17/04/20 05:05 AM
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Excuse my lack of sympathy but a lot of people have actually died and had their lives ruin for causes they’re passionate about and it didn’t stop the movement. Tibetan monks burn themselves in the name of their cause. I’m not saying you guys have to do all that but don’t let liberal shaming stop you.
/r/PurplePillDebate17/04/20 04:32 AM
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I guess they are acquaintances, now that you mention it. Like I said, I only see them in group settings. Whatever you say. Look, all you are doing is calling me a liar, believe what you want to believe, but the truth is, the overwhelming majority of women are simply boring. You admitted yourself you’re a liar. The overs majority of women are not boring. You’re a boring man who attracts equally boring people. It’s like the example I used before. If a woman says every man tang tries to talk to her…
/r/PurplePillDebate17/04/20 04:25 AM
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Just like women like you who complain about men lying. Yet you cane under my thread. I didn’t come under yours or any man who is airing his grievances about women lying. I hope you kept this sane energy for he men on this thread. And there absolutely is a difference. There’s no difference. If ones ok they’re all ok.
/r/PurplePillDebate17/04/20 04:19 AM
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And men complain about every single one of those lies and have no sympathy for women who participate in those lies and sometimes women as a whole because of that. Yet me saying the reverse is a problem? Laughable. There’s no difference all are lies with the intent to deceive to your benefit. You’re lying to get what you want out of someone else.
/r/PurplePillDebate17/04/20 03:09 AM
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But, I'm telling you that we don't. I don't go to their houses when it's just me and them, and I don't let them come to my house when it's just them and me. I've hung out with them in the past in that way, a long time ago, and we hung out the same way I would hang out with my guy friends. I drank beer (they often drank wine), and we just chilled. Sometimes we watched movies, other times we talked. It's just when I did chill with these women, it wasn't interesting. The conversations weren't inter…
/r/PurplePillDebate17/04/20 03:06 AM
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Anything that men commonly lie about in the pursuit of sex, Intentions, std status, employment, feelings, marital status, whether or not he has kids etc. Since these are fine it should be fine for women to lie about their looks, paternity and whatever else in the pursuit of sex and relationships.
/r/PurplePillDebate17/04/20 02:56 AM
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I’m not trolling.
/r/PurplePillDebate17/04/20 02:52 AM
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More men should support it. Then things like the op could be avoided.
/r/PurplePillDebate17/04/20 02:52 AM
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Yes like lying about their height and such. Given your comments so far, you feel the grace of “superficial” lies should extend beyond this. Since that’s the case then the same should apply to women.
/r/PurplePillDebate17/04/20 02:45 AM
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Ok well none of that applies to me, I’m not alt-right, a feminist or a troll.
/r/PurplePillDebate17/04/20 02:42 AM
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Nope, that’s your view. My view is that if that’s ok it should be ok for all lies, superficial or not.
/r/PurplePillDebate17/04/20 02:41 AM
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You definitely do or you probably do other intimate things that you don’t consider sex. If you truly don’t it goes back to my other point. I don’t understand why you’re baffled when you inadvertently admitted this is what you do. You admitted that you find all the women you’ve met boring yet still chose to maintain long term friendships and hang out with them one on one, allegedly for non-sexual purposes. If this is the actual truth, then it’s entirely plausible to conclude that your friends hav…
/r/PurplePillDebate17/04/20 02:40 AM
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Nope. It’s your logic. You’re the one that brought it up.
/r/PurplePillDebate17/04/20 02:25 AM
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So they’re fuck buddies? Why is it so incredulous to think they find you boring? You’ve admitted you find them boring yet have maintained friendships with them for over a decade and you take them up on their hangout offers. If you can find them boring and do all this, the same can obviously work in reverse. Don’t know why that’s so offensive to you.
/r/PurplePillDebate17/04/20 02:24 AM
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Idk what a kek is? You mean a cuck?
/r/PurplePillDebate17/04/20 02:22 AM
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Nope. After all a lie is a lie and lying is ok as long as it’s to get what you want. According to your logic.
/r/PurplePillDebate17/04/20 02:21 AM
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Probably for the same reason you chose to be friends with them for over a decade despite allegedly finding them boring. On their end though they could take you if they want to go somewhere but don’t want to go alone, or it’s useful to bring a guy.
/r/PurplePillDebate17/04/20 02:20 AM
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A lie is a lie
/r/PurplePillDebate17/04/20 02:15 AM
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A lie is a lie(:
/r/PurplePillDebate17/04/20 02:14 AM
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Nope, a lie is a lie.
/r/PurplePillDebate17/04/20 02:12 AM
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I’m talking friendships and acquaintances. If men had it much better, they wouldn’t be viewed the way they are in society. They’d have other men pulling through for them on a large scale.
/r/PurplePillDebate17/04/20 02:12 AM
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Yep! You’re probably a boring person and that’s why you attract boring people. It’s like people who wonder why they only attract ugly people, it’s cause they’re ugly too. I bet if I met your male friends they’d be boring as well. It’s just more acceptable to you because the tendencies boring men have are going to much more relatable to you as a guy than those of boring women. I’d also bet that your female friends feel the same way in reverse for the same reasons I just listed. Water seeks its ow…
/r/PurplePillDebate17/04/20 02:09 AM
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It is true. You chose to hang out with boring people. That’s not indicative of all women.
/r/PurplePillDebate17/04/20 02:02 AM
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Nope, they don’t because according to you lying about things like this is ok. So take the lie all the way.
/r/PurplePillDebate17/04/20 01:54 AM
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Ok since lying is on men shouldn’t get upset at paternity fraud or women lying about loving them.
/r/PurplePillDebate17/04/20 01:49 AM
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They often do overlapped I’ve talked to men like this. You find women boring because you pick boring women who are easy to get sex from.
/r/PurplePillDebate17/04/20 01:48 AM
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That may be why then. Don’t south is much more religious and it impacts legislature to a certain degree.
/r/PurplePillDebate17/04/20 12:58 AM
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I don't know why you think being with multiple women is a need more than just something that would be nice. It’s because it’s a desire that’s cross culturally present and something many men indulge in or crave almost as much as sex itself. So, we know that not all men want to have sex with many women. Overwhelmingly, it seems to have more to do with wanting easy access to sex, than it does having sex with multiple women. They want easy sexual access to multiple women. If ab average man could get…
/r/PurplePillDebate17/04/20 12:57 AM
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Southern or northern US? Because that’s quite odd and I’ve come across some reverse situations but it was because before the break up or divorce the dad spent more time with the child of he had better lawyers. I live in the northern half though.
/r/PurplePillDebate17/04/20 12:22 AM
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It's only possible to solve if the author wants you to. The equation and variables can change whenever they want. A game has problem solving because there's a problem and solution that you can figure out. A story is different. Just because they both have end cases that you can sometimes figure out ahead of time doesn't mean they're both based on problem solving. Not necessarily, there have been times when fans surprised authors by figuring things out that the writer didn’t intend or expect anyon…
/r/PurplePillDebate16/04/20 11:27 PM
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Oh ok
/r/PurplePillDebate16/04/20 11:19 PM
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It probably has to do with what country you live in because I’ve never heard of extra-marital affairs ever being a custody disqualification. Unless the parent stayed with the affair partner and the partner abuses the child. With that information and this I’m guessing you live in a very old school, traditionalist and religious country or region?
/r/PurplePillDebate16/04/20 11:19 PM
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Do they have different mothers if you don’t mind me asking?
/r/PurplePillDebate16/04/20 11:14 PM
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What country do you live in because the situation doesn’t make sense especially from what you said earlier about taking care of your daughter for 5 years when her mom was locked up. I don’t see why you wouldn’t be allowed? Or are you talking about different daughters?
/r/PurplePillDebate16/04/20 11:13 PM
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That persons probably old fashioned. Reminds me of a traditional dude I’m acquainted with who was going off about another mutual friend that “abandoned her daughter” and how reckless it was when all she did was agree to give the dad primary custody since he can provide their daughter a more stable life. Most other people will commend present fathers for just being there because a lot of kids don’t even have that. They’ll give dads accolades for “babysitting” their kids and be impressed when they…
/r/PurplePillDebate16/04/20 11:11 PM
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Men could fix this for themselves. Men and women care about victimized women. Even if men stopped caring about women, and in instances where thats the case women still have each other. Men don’t have that dynamic. Men don’t have that same type of Inter-gender dynamic and it contributes to this.
/r/PurplePillDebate16/04/20 11:06 PM
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Men actually do, because very little is expected of fathers. It’s a bane and a boon. A woman will lose respect long before then. If you’re a bad mom, even if you’re not abusive you’ll be judged and shamed.
/r/PurplePillDebate16/04/20 11:04 PM
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Why aren’t they getting it? Because they’re not doing respectable things. Im custody cases it comes down to 2 things. Who spent more time with the child before the custody case and who has more money for lawyer. My co-worker was in the reverse situation with his parents and his mother didn’t win full custody with no visitation until he was in his teens.
/r/PurplePillDebate16/04/20 11:02 PM
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You won’t get respect for neglecting your kids. Certainly not in the times were in now where the definition of child abuse has expanded. You’ll be judged harshly if you’re not a good mother. You don’t get respect.
/r/PurplePillDebate16/04/20 10:59 PM
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The author leaves clues on purpose. Sure, there are red herrings, but those are like a player making a feint or a fake. However, in a game the fake has to follow the rules. The writer of a story can leave a red herring or make a plot twist that doesn't have to follow any rules or can come out of nowhere like the introduction of another character. Just because it's harder to predict doesn't mean it's problem solving. The fact that the game has rules is what makes it easier. There’s variables but …
/r/PurplePillDebate16/04/20 10:45 PM
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From what source? Women are more likely to have orgasms from masturbation and clitoral stimulation than they are from piv sex. Unlike men so I wouldn’t say that makes them “worse” at sex. They can get their partners of more successfully than the reverse. Libido has to do with desire not skill.
/r/PurplePillDebate16/04/20 10:32 PM
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I mean ideally it would be nice, but it's not like being with multiple women is a driving need per se. It’s a need in the same way sex is for men just a little milder. It’s why your biology is the way it is. TRP would say that women are polygamous by nature as well, but I think there's a kernel of truth in both in that mankind never evolved to be exclusively monogamous. It's literally not in our genes to be monogamous, it's something that goes against our nature a bit, but there are plenty of 'n…
/r/PurplePillDebate16/04/20 10:30 PM
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Im sorry thats been your experience as well, but again that doesn’t make it an objective truth.
/r/PurplePillDebate16/04/20 09:53 PM
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The subjectivity removes the problem solving aspect. The author of the story purposefully leaves you clues about what is going to happen, while your opponent in a game does their best to hide what they're going to do next. The subjectivity adds a layer, some writers leave obvious clues just as how some players make obvious moves. For others the clues are innocuous and much harder to spot, to the point where you may never catch them. You’d have to finish the series and go back an re-analyze every…
/r/PurplePillDebate16/04/20 09:40 PM
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Yeah no. The desire is to have sex, not to have sex with lots of women. The thing is, it's hard to attract a woman to have sex, and if you want to have more sex than your one woman is willing to give you, you either have to forgo your own needs, or look outside of the relationship with one woman. It’s both, they want sex and lots of it with lots of women. Men are polygynous by nature. Blue pill conditioning curbs the expression of this but the desire is still there. Some men will settle down and…
/r/PurplePillDebate16/04/20 09:13 PM
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Clearly, I struck a nerve lol.
/r/PurplePillDebate16/04/20 08:55 PM
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So do ugly men. They’re just receive indifference from women. They still have friends and family. That doesn’t do much for them though because men don’t seem to care about social matters in the same way women do.
/r/PurplePillDebate16/04/20 08:49 PM
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No I’ll blame the men because they chose to lie. Invest in your appearance and you’ll get what you want from some women.
/r/PurplePillDebate16/04/20 08:48 PM
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There isn't a clear cut cause and affect in a story. If there was, there wouldn't ever be any twists. A story doesn't have rules or an objective winner or loser. Recognizing foreshadowing isn't problem solving the way recognizing correct decisions is. There is, but it’s not given. You have to do the work to put all the pieces together and predict things and I’ve you’ve done it correctly you’ll have a rough idea of what happens before it does. You can compare sports vs stories to math too. Watchi…
/r/PurplePillDebate16/04/20 08:46 PM
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Viewers don't affect the outcome, but viewers can analyze objectively right or wrong decisions that affect the outcome. You can fantasize about a character doing something else, but that isn't analyzing an actual cause and effect that's possible within a system. A story can twist any which way. A game has set procedures where there are correct or incorrect decisions that affect who wins or loses. Games are objective. Stories are not. Cause and effect are objective though and just like a sports g…
/r/PurplePillDebate16/04/20 08:04 PM
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There aren't objectively wrong or right decisions that affect the outcome of a story It's a scripted sequence of events. Just as a male viewers decisions have no outcome on the actions of the game. You’re trying to predict the movement/actions of the players/characters. Then once the actual involved parties do act you theorize on what could’ve yielded a better outcome. One can be viewed as easier than the other because one has a standard set of preceding guidelines and the other you work with mi…
/r/PurplePillDebate16/04/20 07:40 PM
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According to these guys those might not be real hobbies either if you don’t do skiing competitively and anime is passive.
/r/PurplePillDebate16/04/20 07:32 PM
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Without rules there are only subjective winners. You can make the argument for analyzing movies or TV shows for their artistic merit, but it isn't problem solving. Watching a show and doing a Psych 101 level analysis of the characters isn't comparable to analyzing the decision making of coaches or players with objectively correct or incorrect moves within a system. It is “problem solving” in the same sense watching sports is. Without any true preceding guidelines you observe and analyze, in orde…
/r/PurplePillDebate16/04/20 07:16 PM
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No, because games have set rules and actions. There are objectively right and wrong decisions. There's a reason players and coaches "watch film." You don’t need a strict set of rules to problem solve and actually guidelines would make it easier to problem solve than just analysis and observation used for people that are into film and show theory. Lol competitive make up and fashion. If a woman is actually entering some sort of make up competition or participating in fashion shows, that's one thi…
/r/PurplePillDebate16/04/20 06:56 PM
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Yep I said that in response to the following: “Women are lazy as fuck in the bedroom and in general. Especially the hot ones. All they have to do to get laid is to exist for the most part.” You was very specific and I didn’t ask for this information. You chose to volunteer this about your dating/sex life. I should thank you though for the other comments as well, it bolsters my point lol. Thanks and have a good one.
/r/PurplePillDebate16/04/20 06:53 PM
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Never got personal but I guess I can if you want to because you’ve shown your reading comprehension skills are subpar. Let me help you out though. Me: I have no sympathy for men who can’t get sex because many of them are trying to use women for that only and then complain that that’s all women have to offer despite not looking for women with other traits. You: Make an anecdotal claim that women are lazy and boring. Full stop. No “too”. Me: tells you that your experience is not a universal truth.…
/r/PurplePillDebate16/04/20 06:44 PM
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It's problem solving. You're more engaged in watching the play calls and decisions made by players than a scripted drama. Have you ever watched sports with guys? You could make the same argument for people who play detective or therapist over tv shows. At the end of the day though since the skills are never practically applied all it is are bunch of dudes(sports fans) and women yelling their opinion to a screen and some friends. Multiplayer is competitive. You're problem solving in real time vs …
/r/PurplePillDebate16/04/20 06:37 PM
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Read my comments back in chronological order and then re-read your response and you’ll get it. Unless you’re too lazy for that?
/r/PurplePillDebate16/04/20 06:34 PM
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jfc the jokes really write themselves lol.
/r/PurplePillDebate16/04/20 06:29 PM
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Watching sports is not competitive. Most video games aren’t that difficult to problem solve either. 2k, call of duty and all that are no more impressive than make up and fashion.
/r/PurplePillDebate16/04/20 06:23 PM
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Im sorry that’s been your experience and you can’t attract better, but that doesn’t make it universally true.
/r/PurplePillDebate16/04/20 06:22 PM
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Worse, at least average men are treated indifferently.
/r/PurplePillDebate16/04/20 06:21 PM
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Doesn’t stop them from trying. It probably works a small percentage of the time, so they view it as a numbers game. If they do it to enough women eventually one will cave.
/r/PurplePillDebate16/04/20 05:01 PM
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They’re thirsty and think that they can convince her with enough effort.
/r/PurplePillDebate16/04/20 05:00 PM
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Once again hyperbole. They should just accept it and work on moving on. Most people get emotionally invested in their significant others and they hurt when they get dumped. Threatening to kill yourself or your ex-partner, stalking, threatening and harassing are crazy and unnecessary. These are things mostly loser men do because they have nothing else going for them. They can afford to act that way.
/r/PurplePillDebate16/04/20 04:57 PM
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That’s not how it always plays out. Many men know they’re not attractive enough to do things that way, so they have to resort to using and lying. Also for women who get hounded and propositioned for sex they don’t want, they know the men are just trying to use them.
/r/PurplePillDebate16/04/20 04:56 PM
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It was to counter the point that dating losers = drama free dating life. That’s simply not true. If you’re the only good thing in their life they’ll go to great lengths to stop you from leaving.
/r/PurplePillDebate16/04/20 04:44 PM
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It’s somewhat hyperbolic. The main point is those men bring drama as well. They’ll often bring more of it since they have nothing to lose. Picking losers is a bad strategy. You should always carefully examine character and behavior.
/r/PurplePillDebate16/04/20 04:26 PM
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That may be in nature, BUT, all men are raised with blue pilled naiveness of "get a wife and dont sleep around because that is for players (<implied that being player is a bad thing)", and most men REALLY do accept this. (the statistical "most" as men say, not the womens version of "most" that in actuality is only the top 20% of men) Most men don’t accept it. You’re only partially. In reality they still want to sleep around they just won’t be brazen about it because of blue pill conditioning. Bl…
/r/PurplePillDebate16/04/20 03:38 PM
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They’re not actually good guys though. They used to be. They never were. Some people are warped because of their upbringing and unless they make an active and genuine effort to change they will carry that into adulthood. A lot of these “good guys” fit that bill. They’re not much better that the hot player alpha guy. The only difference is one is too ugly to get opportunities to do what he wants. In the rare instances where he gets an opportunity though he will act the same way. You see, we dont …
/r/PurplePillDebate16/04/20 03:17 PM
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No they’re not right because when pressed on it they admit that they go for those type of women specifically, and when they look for women with more substance they find it. They’re specifically looking for women they can use as human sex toys because they want something fast and easy. Edit: then there’s also men who I’ve seen admit that they’re lacking options and they have nothing to attract better quality women, I don’t have any sympathy for these types either.
/r/PurplePillDebate16/04/20 03:09 PM
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All men are polygynous by nature. It’s why their biology matches. One man can get hundreds of women pregnant a year, one woman can’t get pregnant that many times even if she spends her whole life trying.
/r/PurplePillDebate16/04/20 03:07 PM
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Yep, that too!
/r/PurplePillDebate16/04/20 03:04 PM
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They are being treated indifferently. They’re ignored. Women don’t seek them out. Men seek out ugly women but never for anything good.
/r/PurplePillDebate16/04/20 03:04 PM
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Your wish is reality. One of the biggest complaints average and unattractive men have, is that they’re ignored by women. Men aren’t the same to ugly women. They seek them out basically to mistreat them.
/r/PurplePillDebate16/04/20 02:56 PM
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Look at how they’re treated by men compared to average and attractive women. Women for the most part just leave ugly and average men alone. Which is better imho.
/r/PurplePillDebate16/04/20 02:41 PM
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It’s two different groups of women. Pro-life women act like it’s a baby. Women who are pro-choice act like it’s a parasite. One they will allow to drain them if they want a kid or they’ll abort if they don’t.
/r/PurplePillDebate16/04/20 02:37 PM
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No they won’t be ugly women are loathed.
/r/PurplePillDebate16/04/20 02:36 PM
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Struggles to get sex. Mostly because these same men claim women are boring, one dimensional and barely people who are only good for sex.
/r/PurplePillDebate16/04/20 02:35 PM
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Thats what I’m proposing. If the guy I loved wanted a forever girlfriend situation, we could do it as long as kids and cohabitation aren’t a part of the mix. We can just have the companionship and fun without the complications.
/r/PurplePillDebate16/04/20 02:03 PM
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It’s easily solved by taking a page out of men’s books. Promise him it will happen when you’re both ready and he’ll stick around for a while.
/r/PurplePillDebate16/04/20 01:45 PM
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Men are still answering
/r/PurplePillDebate16/04/20 01:33 PM
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Those are the type of men that will kill you if you leave and abuse you into staying. If a woman wants a good guy she has to choose very carefully and test his true character, pay close attention to how he acts when upset etc.
/r/PurplePillDebate16/04/20 01:32 PM
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They’re not actually good guys though. They’ll treat their girlfriend like shit too if they manage to get one. The only difference is they’ll ltr you while a guy with options won’t. Trying to attribute the bad behavior to options is just bitter projection from sex starved guys.
/r/PurplePillDebate16/04/20 01:30 PM
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It’s no more pointless than being a forever girlfriend instead of a wife. You get all the dating benefits without the complications of cohabitation and kids.
/r/PurplePillDebate16/04/20 01:07 PM
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I think I could only do it if we didn’t live together and both agreed to be childfree.
/r/PurplePillDebate16/04/20 12:44 PM
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You’re somewhat right but the “companionship” they want is a forever girlfriend, not a wife.
/r/PurplePillDebate16/04/20 12:23 PM
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Marriage rates have dropped dramatically though. Most men don’t have access to consistent casual sex like that and a growing number of them would prefer to be perpetual bachelors that spin plates or have a forever girlfriend instead of a wife. They don’t want to actually get married though. Then there’s the fact that women can’t fully engage in casual sexual because it’ll hurt her romantic prospects.
/r/PurplePillDebate16/04/20 03:02 AM
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A large chunk of women are not able to settle down in happy marriages because of hook up culture. A lot of men don’t care about the woman’s pleasure during casual sex either. It’s only fun for some men and women.
/r/PurplePillDebate16/04/20 01:43 AM
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Ok so you mean women aren’t assertive enough. I can agree with that.
/r/PurplePillDebate19/03/20 10:15 PM
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What do you mean they don’t know how to handle themselves? Like they’re pushovers?
/r/PurplePillDebate19/03/20 06:55 PM
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Although I’m aware of the stats this hasn’t really been my experience. I experienced something similar once when I was a part time fast food worker. My female boss was miserable and would be nice to your face but then talk badly about you behind your back. It was pretty mild compared to what other women have gone through. I understand why she was like that though. For a lot of these cases though I think it’s women receiving the same energy they put out. I have a lot of female friends that compla…
/r/PurplePillDebate19/03/20 06:55 PM
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Yes we are.
/r/PurplePillDebate17/03/20 04:21 AM
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You’re entitled to your opinion.
/r/PurplePillDebate16/03/20 02:24 AM
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I’ve done research and historically when women were allowed to work and have some independence they wouldn’t want to give up those freedoms. So I find what you’re saying very hard to believe.
/r/PurplePillDebate16/03/20 02:22 AM
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I don’t think so. If that was the case most women back then would have been in favor of the status quo remaining the way it was and nothing would’ve changed. Or women now would be trying to completely swing the pendulum back. We are where we are, to me that’s telling.
/r/PurplePillDebate16/03/20 02:15 AM
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They like them for casual sex but typically not for relationships.
/r/PurplePillDebate16/03/20 02:10 AM
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They weren’t happy back then either otherwise they wouldn’t have lobbied for change.
/r/PurplePillDebate16/03/20 02:10 AM
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It is. Women can be happier now. They’re happiness isn’t so directly tied to a man like it was pre-2nd wave feminism.
/r/PurplePillDebate16/03/20 02:07 AM
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When I say you I’m speaking in generalities, I don’t mean you specifically lol. I’ve met many older women too and whether they were happy with their lives then, depended on what class they started in, what class they married into and the kind of man their husband was. I know if I had been born pre-2nd wave feminism my life would’ve been way worse. Women now have more freedom to forge their own happiness.
/r/PurplePillDebate16/03/20 02:05 AM
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Pick your poison. Post 2nd wave you’d have to completely depend on your husband and if he wasn’t a good one or you could find one at all you’d be sol. The only women who were happy were women born into privilege and luxury. Same as now. At least now we have some freedom.
/r/PurplePillDebate16/03/20 01:59 AM
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They had nothing to bring to the table yet and couldn’t bag the guy they wanted.
/r/PurplePillDebate16/03/20 01:56 AM
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Lmfaooo 😂😂
/r/PurplePillDebate16/03/20 01:48 AM
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I think it’s sweet. It’s similar to how some older women will call people baby, sweetie, sugar and honey. It’s cute.
/r/PurplePillDebate15/03/20 06:18 PM
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They’re working on mobile ones but the motions aren’t that fluid. I think they’ll be pretty cool when they hit the markets.
/r/PurplePillDebate15/03/20 03:21 PM
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Yeah why not? That’d be fun.
/r/PurplePillDebate15/03/20 03:14 PM
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Lmaoo thats my exact height. That’s why I said robot not doll. Ideally it would be mobile: walking and talking so it could move itself.
/r/PurplePillDebate15/03/20 03:12 PM
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She literally quoted and replied to it. . .
/r/PurplePillDebate15/03/20 02:36 PM
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Western women don’t have an over abundance of choice. Men are beings with autonomy and free will as well. You’re acting like a woman can just pick any man she wants and he’ll acquiesce. In real life there’s no guarantee that your feelings will be reciprocated, women also have competition to deal with, there’s more women than men.
/r/PurplePillDebate15/03/20 02:35 PM
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You guys over estimate the options a woman has. Some women are ugly, some are born into impoverished situations. In those cases you have to take the best of what you can get which doesn’t guarantee it will be an objectively good choice. Or just stay single. Awful men are not a small percentage of men. Many awful men just are not self aware. My grandfather thinks he’s a great guy because he’s a good father and grandfather. He was a horrible husband though and that’s why my grandparents marriage e…
/r/PurplePillDebate15/03/20 02:33 PM
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Depending on what God you believe in he would agree with women’s views on sex. It’s why most theist societies prioritize female chastity to a greater degree and go to more extreme lengths to ensure girls stay pure. Why wouldn’t men be swayed to hold women’s view of sex? If it’s a spiritual experience why would you want to form soul ties with every random guy that comes your way or take on the energy of his spirit by sleeping with him? You’d want to be careful who you slept with.
/r/PurplePillDebate15/03/20 02:25 PM
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Broderick Hunter isn’t a thug lol. Idk how you got that vibe. Again there’d be some women who’d like Eminem but not Broderick. It’s because of the way they look, their interests and their personalities. That’s what I was trying to convey, what constitutes an attractive man varies per person.
/r/PurplePillDebate15/03/20 02:21 PM
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It goes further than that some women like soft boys, some don’t like aggressive men. I personally don’t that’s terrifying, besides size queens most women are good with average sized Johnson’s. Personality is definitely a factor, as are hobbies and sometimes political views.
/r/PurplePillDebate15/03/20 02:18 PM
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It’s not the same thing. Another guy actually tried this. A walking talking robot would be better.
/r/PurplePillDebate15/03/20 02:15 PM
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So none of you guys know any women?
/r/PurplePillDebate15/03/20 02:14 PM
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They do it intentionally because girls with dimension wouldn’t fall for RP guys.
/r/PurplePillDebate15/03/20 02:13 PM
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Yeah kind of and I don’t know any women who hate men that want to please. Most women I know prefer that.
/r/PurplePillDebate15/03/20 02:12 PM
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Larpers what the heck? Lmaoo. How are lesbians “less” real people? Women are real people if you choose not to see us that way that’s on you but we’re definitely people.
/r/PurplePillDebate15/03/20 09:07 AM
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Since objectification is female privilege according to MRAs allowing these would actually level the playing field.
/r/PurplePillDebate15/03/20 08:55 AM
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Ok so I’m guessing you’re into bdsm and you’re projecting your Dom fantasies onto the situation. I brought up those two guys as examples to show that what women view as attractive depends on the woman. Women do have a real sense of self. I know I do, many other women do. It’s something they develop apart from their interest in men. Also what about lesbians? If your theory is true where would they fall in on this? Is their sense of self dictated by the type of women they’re into? Or do they form …
/r/PurplePillDebate15/03/20 08:49 AM
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What they view as an attractive man varies by culture and individual tastes. The type of women that like Broderick Hunter probably don’t like Brendon Urie. The rest of what you said I disagree with. That only applies to women with no sense of self. Most women start cultivating a sense of identity when they’re girls and not yet interested in the opposite sex.
/r/PurplePillDebate15/03/20 08:29 AM
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If it was false women wouldn’t have “types”.
/r/PurplePillDebate15/03/20 08:11 AM
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Why is it bizarre?
/r/PurplePillDebate15/03/20 08:11 AM
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That + sex, would create a decent amount of demand. Other functions like cleaning and working would just be a bonus.
/r/PurplePillDebate15/03/20 07:44 AM
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I disagree. As long as there’s a believable romantic AI there will be a market for it.
/r/PurplePillDebate15/03/20 07:39 AM
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They’re already working on them having movement now and the current models are 5-20k. The movement just isn’t fluid like a humans.
/r/PurplePillDebate15/03/20 07:10 AM
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For red meat it’s filling because it’s high in protein and volume. Idk if you care but that’s why lol. Maybe it’s the desire to procreate that fueling it too? Even women that consciously know they don’t want kids still get bouts of baby rabies. Maybe men have something similar where they feel the need to spread their seed to viable women despite their conscious brain not wanting that. I guess you’re right but people also seem to be growing more and more casually misogynistic and misandrist so th…
/r/PurplePillDebate15/03/20 06:55 AM
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Ok this makes sense.
/r/PurplePillDebate15/03/20 06:42 AM
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No because it’s mobile, and has a whole body, can talk and add more to the experience. It’s a replacement for a person.
/r/PurplePillDebate15/03/20 06:38 AM
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What specifically turns a woman on varies woman to woman. Overall though women want those things from men they are attracted to and don’t from men they aren’t attracted to, iois can be used to determine where you fall with a specific woman.
/r/PurplePillDebate15/03/20 06:35 AM
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Like what? If you put a limiter to prevent them from forming malicious feelings towards humans or overriding that code shouldn’t it be fine?
/r/PurplePillDebate15/03/20 06:33 AM
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Dildos are for masturbation not sex. Plus having a whole thing is better than a disembodied somewhat immobile penis. It’s be much more satisfying to have a android who you could customize into the perfect guy.
/r/PurplePillDebate15/03/20 06:31 AM
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More workers plus it might be cheaper to use ones already made that are being privately maintained than to make more, especially if environmentalists start complaining about how materials are sourced.
/r/PurplePillDebate15/03/20 06:29 AM
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But why not? Whats the reason? Especially with prostitutes, they have all the same parts. What’s the difference? Plus men are in favor of sex bots so it’s not like an actual woman is necessary for your sexual release.
/r/PurplePillDebate15/03/20 06:28 AM
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Those don’t talk and they don’t have bodies.
/r/PurplePillDebate15/03/20 06:18 AM
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I wasn’t thinking crime lol. Normal stuff lol.
/r/PurplePillDebate15/03/20 06:15 AM
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I mean, you guys are describing sex as masturbating with a woman’s body so if women are insufferable why not just cut out the middle man? They have sex toys modeled after women’s privates.
/r/PurplePillDebate15/03/20 06:14 AM
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I’m sure they wouldn’t all be bdsm bots lol.
/r/PurplePillDebate15/03/20 05:55 AM
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Well how the bot acts would depend on what the woman wants. Their AI would ideally be customizable. There’s nothing dishonest about what I said? Having sex bots of both genders would enable single people to get what they want with dealing with the faults of other humans.
/r/PurplePillDebate15/03/20 05:52 AM
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You don’t need women for sex. You can just masturbate.
/r/PurplePillDebate15/03/20 05:50 AM
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Stealing men’s money how? Most women work for their own money these days, that was the point of 2nd wave feminism.
/r/PurplePillDebate15/03/20 05:49 AM
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My female friends are the ones that offer me all of that tbh. People probably just do better in intragender friendships.
/r/PurplePillDebate15/03/20 05:47 AM
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Fair point I guess would only work if you transitioned the rest of the labor force into IT or maintenance the have the robots do the rest.
/r/PurplePillDebate15/03/20 04:34 AM
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Thanks!
/r/PurplePillDebate15/03/20 04:23 AM
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What song is this lol?
/r/PurplePillDebate15/03/20 04:22 AM
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Those 2 could work in a small business setting but it gets more complicated in a larger business setting. You need someone to check up on and manage the robots. If they have owners then they can work longer much more efficient hours than humans and their owners could manage them for a salary. Even with the salary business owners would be making more than if the employed a person. Or the sex robot prototypes roll out and after owning a robot you can purchase software upgrades then rent your own r…
/r/PurplePillDebate15/03/20 04:15 AM
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It would give you time to indulge in your other hobbies.
/r/PurplePillDebate15/03/20 04:02 AM
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I disagree as the industry grows and they become more efficient and effective at making them I think they could make robots that mimic other positive aspects of people in a lucrative manner. We could use the bots to transition to a stage where most people have them and send the bots to work on their behalf while they’re free to do whatever. I don’t see why the bots wouldn’t get hired if the could do the job?
/r/PurplePillDebate15/03/20 04:01 AM
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It could be used for romance on top of sex. If people transitioned to a stage where most of us have robots that we allow to work on our behalf’s then unemployment wouldn’t be an issue. You’d live off the salary your robot provides.
/r/PurplePillDebate15/03/20 03:52 AM
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Why wouldn’t he? The robots would be more efficient than humans at some things and if I get laid off it wouldn’t really matter if my bot(s) are bringing in money.
/r/PurplePillDebate15/03/20 03:48 AM
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Oh ok ok well if they’re saving money on hr costs and they’re already making greatly mobile robots making software to enhance them probably won’t be too much of a financial burden on the company. They also will always be able to make money on repairs and maintenance.
/r/PurplePillDebate15/03/20 03:39 AM
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It would be a decent replacement if you can’t find it the way you want it with other people. It’d be like those romantic choose your own adventure games but much more sophisticated. Even if you don’t genuinely fall in love with the bot and it doesn’t fall in love with you you can enjoy the illusion.
/r/PurplePillDebate15/03/20 03:37 AM
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That’s what their robots would be for and then women would have theirs to meet their needs.
/r/PurplePillDebate15/03/20 03:31 AM
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They could do other work outside of HR, The bots could be teachers, medical professionals, mechanics, welders etc. They’re already trying to make them have realistic ranges of motion. All they’d have to do is create software that enables the robot owners to program them to do various things. Right now the estimated costs for them is 5-20k so I don’t think it’d be too much of a tall order or cost inefficient.
/r/PurplePillDebate15/03/20 03:28 AM
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The machine doesn’t have to feel genuine love, it just has to mimic it adequately and be able to adjust and adapt to its owners feelings.
/r/PurplePillDebate15/03/20 03:24 AM
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My post is assuming that female sex robots are already available and large swathes of the male population are already preoccupied with their robots. They could make standard sex bots and offer upgrade packages where you could “teach it” like a person but it would absorb the information much faster. The robots wouldn’t be of much use to the company unless they’re working in one of the fields needed for the company. It’d be more lucrative to make them to sell. Because vibrators don’t talk and goin…
/r/PurplePillDebate15/03/20 03:08 AM
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A worker drone would actually be a good idea. It brings in the money and you’re free to do whatever you want.
/r/PurplePillDebate15/03/20 03:03 AM
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There’s social media for that. The robot could be used for sex, romance and money if they could work.
/r/PurplePillDebate15/03/20 03:03 AM
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That’s awesome then. I honestly didn’t know they made male ones too.
/r/PurplePillDebate15/03/20 02:54 AM
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How is it any more niche than female sex bots? They’d be for people who want their needs met without the hassle.
/r/PurplePillDebate15/03/20 02:54 AM
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It could programmed to meet romantic needs on top of sexual.
/r/PurplePillDebate15/03/20 02:48 AM
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It could happen with less resistance if adaptable male sex robots were made too. People who don’t want to deal with the hassle of dating real people can design their perfect partner.
/r/PurplePillDebate15/03/20 02:47 AM
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Some women don’t live life on easy mode. They could be used to fulfill women’s other wants and needs.
/r/PurplePillDebate15/03/20 02:46 AM
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Work in the same way humans do. Like a program is developed that enables the robot to be a service worker, work in the medical field etc. Just like a real human being but better because they have instant access to a wealth of information constantly. Have you seen the movie bicentennial man? Robots like that. Where there’s upgrades that make them more human like so single people can design their perfect partner. Women aren’t that hard to please, most straight men just don’t think it’s worth it wh…
/r/PurplePillDebate15/03/20 02:45 AM
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I know you’re joking around but did you have anything serious to add? Adequate male sex dolls could remove some of the hang ups women have around them.
/r/PurplePillDebate15/03/20 02:39 AM
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Honestly I find that hard to believe but ok. I do and spermicide. I’m not trying to put my life at risk.
/r/PurplePillDebate28/02/20 04:27 AM
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Nope, I don’t use tinder. I always ask dudes I sleep with for test results and use protection. Most people I know do the same. The only exceptions are the sorority girls I used to live with. They’d all sleep with pretty much the same frat dudes though and if something happened with one like an std/sti they’d all warn each other.
/r/PurplePillDebate28/02/20 04:24 AM
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Without ever exchanging test results? The only people I’ve ever known to do that were frat/sorority kids and even then they their own weird sexual vetting system.
/r/PurplePillDebate28/02/20 12:43 AM
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Yes and from my understanding that doesn’t happen unless they know you’re clean. Maybe LTRs are a different story though. People get lax when they get comfortable.
/r/PurplePillDebate28/02/20 12:20 AM
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Sexlessness is also on the rise.
/r/PurplePillDebate27/02/20 10:42 PM
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You don’t go outside much huh?
/r/PurplePillDebate27/02/20 09:41 PM
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It’s a great idea imo. I do it. If you asked politely they get offended they have something. It’d still be fine to wait to test for personality compatibility though. Unless this is just in regards to casual sex.
/r/PurplePillDebate27/02/20 09:39 PM
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No they’re not.
/r/PurplePillDebate27/02/20 08:06 PM
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It’s when you’re seen as fvck-worthy immediately. Many guys here either believe that sexual attraction that develops later is inferior to this or that it doesn’t exist.
/r/PurplePillDebate27/02/20 06:25 PM
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Not to supermodel status. It can only do so much, unless you’re extremely skilled. Not all women have those skills and even among the ones that do they’ll mostly exert that effort for special occasions or photo ops. They do a more basic routine for everyday life. Plus makeup doesn’t make your body more attractive.
/r/PurplePillDebate27/02/20 06:15 PM
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Personally I judge without. Most women seem to have two separate categories/ratings for their bare face vs their made up face. Either way though, this has no effect on what type of men I find attractive. I don’t know many women who view it that way. For hookups they either find the guy attractive or they don’t. Irrespective of their own attractiveness.
/r/PurplePillDebate27/02/20 06:08 PM
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Pretty much, it seems it just stings them when raw immediate sexual attraction isn’t also a part of that package.
/r/PurplePillDebate27/02/20 06:05 PM
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I’m talking about a relationship as a whole not just sex friends/f-buddies. It’s easier to communicate what you want and change things in bed than it is to change someone’s personality. Agree to disagree though.
/r/PurplePillDebate27/02/20 10:31 AM
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They would want either serial monogamy without the responsibility of alimony and child support or a collection of forever girlfriends who they have no responsibility towards.
/r/PurplePillDebate27/02/20 08:39 AM
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Me either. All the ones I know make everyone wait, or no one.
/r/PurplePillDebate27/02/20 08:37 AM
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No he wouldn’t because the old one is a burden once he’s over her.
/r/PurplePillDebate27/02/20 08:33 AM
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Ok my bad. I think I meant to say 1900s. I’ll edit it to say 20th century or 1900s.
/r/PurplePillDebate27/02/20 08:32 AM
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There are some women who aren’t into casual sex. They’re dating to find a boyfriend so they’d make all men wait. People here don’t seem to make that distinction often though.
/r/PurplePillDebate27/02/20 08:31 AM
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What gave you that impression? He was saying that husband hunting type of dating disappeared in the 1800s, I was saying it was present for as long as sahm/ws were a normal and common arrangement. That type of dating started dying off in the early 70s or so. I understand the centuries lol and millennia lol.
/r/PurplePillDebate27/02/20 08:28 AM
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The spectrums not really as wide as you think. If you as a woman ask a man out, he’ll automatically assume you’re dtf off the bat. Women rarely approach men so when a man does get approached if he finds you attractive he’ll assume you’re super into him and try to escalate the timeline for sex much more than if he approached you. It does work better if the guy is inexperienced though. If he has an average amount of experience or more it won’t work well.
/r/PurplePillDebate27/02/20 08:20 AM
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It’s actually the 21st. Or were you joking? I’m just pointing out how that type of dating was present until more recently than that guy thought.
/r/PurplePillDebate27/02/20 08:16 AM
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So you still did something that benefited you just avoiding cultures that are incompatible with you.
/r/PurplePillDebate27/02/20 12:24 AM
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Definitely, it just come after testing for personality compatibility.
/r/PurplePillDebate26/02/20 07:46 PM
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Maybe I should’ve been more clear. Hanging out with the clear understanding from both sides that the intentions are romantic.
/r/PurplePillDebate26/02/20 06:04 PM
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Not really, if you’re communicative and open minded enough you can improve things.
/r/PurplePillDebate26/02/20 06:03 PM
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Because unless the person has a serious problem. Sexual compatibility can be improved much more easily than other types of relationship compatibility.
/r/PurplePillDebate26/02/20 05:33 PM
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You can if you’re hanging out frequently.
/r/PurplePillDebate26/02/20 05:31 PM
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What if you’re not spending money on her?
/r/PurplePillDebate26/02/20 05:29 PM
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They choose principles that are beneficial to them.
/r/PurplePillDebate26/02/20 05:27 PM
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You’re asking the wrong person. Even today strip clubs exist in countries where there’s prostitution. I’m sure they still have those. I know at churches they’ll have certain sub-orgs that are gender segregated.
/r/PurplePillDebate26/02/20 01:23 PM
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None of those are clubs besides golf courses and gentlemen’s clubs. Idk if golf clubs have always been male but women were always in gentleman’s clubs as the “entertainment”.
/r/PurplePillDebate26/02/20 12:39 PM
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What other clubs besides the Boy Scouts? If they were listening to women they would’ve closed the doors right back up lol.
/r/PurplePillDebate26/02/20 12:27 PM
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They had some sexual assault claims from the past that was a big hit to the organization. Them allowing lgbt members and women came after all the allegations came out. It was an attempt at salvaging their organization. Women were “bitching and moaning” against the decision not for it though. Otherwise the girls scouts org and it’s supporters would’ve just stayed silent. It didn’t work though, now they’re filing for bankruptcy because they need money to pay the victims. Edit: also since the boys …
/r/PurplePillDebate25/02/20 08:57 PM
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I think the same effects are there just amplified. They feel like they have no one on their side, no one to turn to, that no one will believe them or listen to them and it will never stop. But it stings more because it’s harder to prove and skilled bullies can manipulate the situation to frame it as if they were the victim. I had a situation like that not too long ago. A girl came to me claiming another student was bullying her, but then after I did some digging I found out she was the one who w…
/r/PurplePillDebate25/02/20 07:03 PM
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So did I when I was a kid, but working with kids now I mainly notice covert bullying. Some teachers and administrators probably don’t care. Some do though, but it’s hard to prove because when a kid comes forward the kid they’re accusing will claim it was mutual. Then when friends get involved to back up each side it just becomes a mess. Word against word. So honestly all you can do is just keep them away from each other as much as possible.
/r/PurplePillDebate25/02/20 06:43 PM
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I agree. I’m just explaining why you don’t see physical bullying as much. Kids these days are more likely to make call, isolate abs verbally harass because if there’s no witnesses that come forward it’s a little harder to prove and deal with than physical bullying.
/r/PurplePillDebate25/02/20 06:32 PM
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Women didn’t “invade” the Boy Scouts. The Boy Scouts opened up to women for purely financial and PR reasons. Past allegations did some damage to the organization so they were looking for a way to revitalize. They choose to do so by virtue signaling. They actually got pushback from the Girl Scouts for opening up to girls. The Girl Scouts real eased a statement condemning the Boy Scouts decision after it was announced.
/r/PurplePillDebate25/02/20 05:16 PM
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They still do this in elementary and maybe middle school, but the punishments are more severe. A lot of public schools have adopted zero tolerance policies for bullying. Plus there’s now anti-bullying laws in the US. If you fight and bully overtly the bullied child’s parents can get the bully into great academic or legal trouble. Kids know this so they’ll bully more covertly or back down a bit after being warned by school administrators. Some boys still do fight and pick on each other though. Al…
/r/PurplePillDebate25/02/20 05:14 PM
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Not that useless. Many do go for degrees that don’t make as much money though, like education, childhood development, several of the soft sciences(Sociology, psychology etc)
/r/PurplePillDebate25/02/20 05:08 PM
1

Excuse this crass question, but how could you have sex with a woman if you’re gay. Seems like it’d be pretty hard to fake.
/r/PurplePillDebate25/02/20 04:56 PM
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You’re asking the right questions lol.
/r/PurplePillDebate25/02/20 03:48 PM
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It’s because the things they mimic are things that work in low self esteem women irl.(dread, negging etc) the only things the promote that work on women with healthy self-esteem is improving their appearance.
/r/PurplePillDebate25/02/20 12:43 AM
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Why isn’t beneficial? To some people it is because they have more to bring to a relationship once they get themselves together. Mostly south Asian and middle eastern countries. Some Africans do it that way too. They take dating seriously after getting themselves somewhat established.
/r/PurplePillDebate24/02/20 11:34 PM
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Says who? In plenty of cultures they don’t. In America we didn’t use to do it that way. It depends on what the individual values. You can also date sporadically to figure things out without making it a priority or having sex while doing so.
/r/PurplePillDebate24/02/20 09:01 PM
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I’d only do it if I had the option to work from home. That way I could still generate an income while staying at home. Completely leaving the job market for more than a few months or a year is a huge risk I’m not willing to take, nor could I recommend it in good faith. For how long depends on if I’m sending the kids to school or homeschooling. If I send them to school then until the youngest reaches first grade.
/r/PurplePillDebate24/02/20 08:55 PM
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Not even just the 1800s. It was a thing during mid 20th century as well especially for umc people. The family would be more involved in getting men and they would want to make sure their daughter was marrying a man just as financially capable as her father or better. Things started changing during the late 70s-80s.
/r/PurplePillDebate24/02/20 08:52 PM
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I think it’s because phone numbers are easy to fake. You can always get a burner one. Technically you can fake social media accounts too but some people think they’ll be able to more easily spot that then a burner number.
/r/PurplePillDebate24/02/20 08:50 PM
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No it’s so we can investigate you. It’s not only insta that women will ask for. From someone’s social media you can gauge how they spend their free time, what kind of relationships they have with the people in their life, you can use their real name and number to run a base level background check on them etc. All before things get too deep. Unless the guy is extremely careful about hiding things about himself.
/r/PurplePillDebate24/02/20 08:49 PM
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I’ve been around naked girls in changing rooms and some smelled but not to the point that I’d describe them that way. It could be that your friends have smelled girls that didn’t wash their butts or vaginas so it’s a double whammy of stench or they’re just very unlucky, and gave colorful exaggerative descriptions.
/r/PurplePillDebate24/02/20 06:17 AM
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What if no one wants them? There’s plenty of kids sitting in foster care already waiting to be adopted or fostered. Also the buck will still get passed. Money is still needed to run those facilities for kids who are waiting to be fostered and for kids who just stay in the system until they age out. Adding more kids just means more money. So no matter what, whether it comes from private donations or big govt, you’ll still be spending that money. They still have to work. Child support and welfare …
/r/PurplePillDebate24/02/20 06:14 AM
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I’m sure, some people take longer than others to start smelling.
/r/PurplePillDebate24/02/20 06:02 AM
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You can just ask female family members who grew up during that time or observe their marriages. It was luck of the draw. Except today you have more options to avoid being with a bad husband.
/r/PurplePillDebate24/02/20 06:01 AM
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Most likely yes. Have you ever smelt someone who hasn’t showered in days, with no deodorant or perfume/cologne to cover it up. They stink. Same thing if you don’t wash your privates.
/r/PurplePillDebate24/02/20 05:57 AM
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It’s all a matter of personal hygiene. If you don’t wash up thoroughly or at all you’ll stink. If you keep yourself clean you’ll smell fine.
/r/PurplePillDebate24/02/20 05:54 AM
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If you don’t properly wash yourself of course. It’s a body part. If you don’t clean yourself you’ll smell.
/r/PurplePillDebate24/02/20 05:52 AM
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You stop. Ok then when you encourage them not to do so yet they still have the children, what will be done for the children? With the exception of teens who grow up with poor sex education who become single teen moms, these women know the consequences. Many either slipped up on bc, but didn’t abort because they’re pro-life or they thought their situation was different. They thought their guy would stick around to help them with the child. Then they ended up a statistic. Then there’s the rest who…
/r/PurplePillDebate24/02/20 05:50 AM
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Not really. It means they do not want a guy who earns less than them.
/r/PurplePillDebate24/02/20 05:08 AM
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Honestly I don’t see how that’s a bad thing if the women take care of their physical appearance as well. They can bring more to the table when they start dating.
/r/PurplePillDebate24/02/20 05:07 AM
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You can go on their sub and read their experiences for yourself. These are the women that are 3s and below in terms of physical appearance. Some of them can’t get anything at all, then the ones who can are attracting men in the same looks range. These are the women that fall outside the range of “most”. Men do not like ugly women lol. Among the femcels that manage to attract any male attention all they can get are men who will begrudgingly commit but mistreat them, or men who pump and dump them.…
/r/PurplePillDebate24/02/20 05:04 AM
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Ok?
/r/PurplePillDebate23/02/20 01:37 PM
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When the people calling most of the shots are locals things don’t really go that way. They tend to have more personal relationships with the kids they help and wouldn’t be as quick to drug them up as someone out of the town would be. Volunteers and private charity should be used first. Then each city/town government step in if need be. Going National should be a last resort option. That’s how a lot of the programs in the city I’m operating in run. They incentivize volunteers by making volunteer …
/r/PurplePillDebate23/02/20 01:11 PM
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Exactly!
/r/PurplePillDebate23/02/20 12:48 PM
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I don’t think there’s any going back though. Unless society just collapses and resets. People like their freedom despite the consequences.
/r/PurplePillDebate23/02/20 12:47 PM
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Well the alternative is leaving the kids to their own devices and that saves money but the societal outcome is even worse. Plus you’ll still be spending money anyway. Just on housing and reforming prisoners vs doing it before the kids go down a bad path. You don’t have to put the kids on drugs. You can teach them conflict resolution skills,appropriate ways to manage their anger, confront and deal with their feelings etc. To give an example I have one student who was a textbook “problem child”. H…
/r/PurplePillDebate23/02/20 12:45 PM
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Honestly I‘m not optimistic about prevention, especially seeing the growing views towards relationships and marriage. I agree with you though.
/r/PurplePillDebate23/02/20 12:32 PM
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Yeah Europe is really good about maternity leave, paternity leave too from what I’ve heard. In the US most women aren’t as lucky unless they work for a really great company that values its workers.
/r/PurplePillDebate23/02/20 12:29 PM
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Probably because there were complaints. One of the biggest criticisms of feminism is that they advocate for women shedding gender roles, but they don’t advocate for men to escape their gender roles with the same fervor. If they do this it’s probably in an attempt to over correct. Honestly though, I don’t really see feminists promoting or encouraging it anyway. Occasionally they try to de-stigmatize by saying it’s ok for men to do that but that outright pushing for it to happen more.
/r/PurplePillDebate23/02/20 12:27 PM
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Many don’t like it. That dynamic regardless of which gender is filling what role, is only for certain types of people. Most people can’t handle it.
/r/PurplePillDebate23/02/20 12:24 PM
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They probably would, and they know that about themselves so they don’t do it.
/r/PurplePillDebate23/02/20 12:23 PM
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Men don’t want stay at home wives either. They’re afraid of being divorce raped and having a sah spouse essentially guarantees that. You will also have to give them more than a working spouse.
/r/PurplePillDebate23/02/20 12:21 PM
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It depends on the baby. According to my parents I was easy because all I did was sleep and eat. My younger siblings were more temperamental and my sister needed a lot of special care when she was younger. So it can be difficult.
/r/PurplePillDebate23/02/20 12:18 PM
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I wouldn’t say stay at home husbands are perfectly fine with feminism. They don’t really promote that and are sometimes criticized for that. “Why are women allowed to escape or reverse gender roles but not men”
/r/PurplePillDebate23/02/20 12:15 PM
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The resentment often goes both ways. Not all men were/are happy about their roles as primary breadwinners. It’s a big part of the reason why women push for financial independence, or having an emergency fund if they’re the caretaking spouse. When sahm/breadwinning father was the dominant dynamic their was no shortage of women with controlling husbands, who constantly threw their breadwinner status back in their face. From this it seems most people would prefer a dual income household. Single inc…
/r/PurplePillDebate23/02/20 12:14 PM
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Some already do. In the future if need be, they should be incentivized and encouraged more to do so. I’m talking about everything under the sun because the kids all suffer, it’s just much worse of their mom is irresponsible too. That adds an extra layer of problems. The kids don’t deserve to suffer because of things out of their control though.
/r/PurplePillDebate23/02/20 12:04 PM
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Do you mean celibate? What’s wrong with being a celibate straight woman or a celibate lesbian before settling down and marrying a partner? Why is this worse than sleeping with only Chads. These women aren’t preventing the men from getting romance, love and sex. Them specifically not giving it doesn’t mean the men can’t get it somewhere else.
/r/PurplePillDebate23/02/20 12:01 PM
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That doesn’t mean they need a host. It means they don’t want to be the host.
/r/PurplePillDebate23/02/20 11:59 AM
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Women try to understand. A lot of it just doesn’t make sense. Women are more so apathetic to incels than anything so returned apathy should be the “what goes around comes around” instead of revenge fantasies.
/r/PurplePillDebate23/02/20 11:57 AM
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That’s mostly true for preschool/nursery school to elementary/primary school. For middle school and above the gender ratio of teachers starts balancing out. My guess is that men don’t want to work with kids that young because it doesn’t pay well and they don’t want to be accused of being pedophiles. Working to get rid of that stigma will solve the problem. I’ll look into kids tv shows, I’ll ask my younger students what they watch. The liberal part I can agree on, but it doesn’t really seem like …
/r/PurplePillDebate23/02/20 11:53 AM
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They wouldn’t be, their looks matches just want them for sex as well. You can read the experiences of the handful who managed to get something. It’s not hot guys who are treating them that way. They can’t get hot guys. They’re below the looks threshold for that.
/r/PurplePillDebate23/02/20 11:47 AM
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If the money is given in the form of grants and such rather than direct government funding the schools and programs will have more control over how things are run. Also this could happen at minimal cost if some people volunteer a little of their time to help.
/r/PurplePillDebate23/02/20 11:45 AM
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Quickly skimming through that, I didn’t see any immediate red flags. They talked about cultural influences on masculinity, the need for mental health professionals to be more aware of, pressures men feel because of gender roles etc. What led you to the conclusion that they are “deranged quacks”
/r/PurplePillDebate23/02/20 11:42 AM
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Interesting, as that’s not what I said but ok.
/r/PurplePillDebate23/02/20 11:36 AM
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It’s not really jumping through hoops. These would be helpful to kids who have dads too, if their father isn’t a good one. Ideally these kids will have both parents in their lives even without marriage or an ltr. It’d be best if the parents could figure out how to effectively co-parent for their child’s sake. My guess though is that this isn’t going to happen because some women will choose to have kids in a way where co-parenting isn’t a feasible option(sperm banks, getting pregnant by men who d…
/r/PurplePillDebate22/02/20 09:36 PM
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That’s why “fem” is in the name. They struggle mostly to get relationships. Their standards are already low, but they realize what that gets them and that’s why they’re single. That’s my point. They’d rather be single that with a guy who will treat them horribly. They’re also not shooting for top 20 guys but that doesn’t matter to you lol. Most men won’t cherish an ugly woman the same way they would a pretty one. It’s just reality. They know this. They don’t have any guys friend zoned. Even if t…
/r/PurplePillDebate22/02/20 08:33 PM
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It’s not strange. Children are expensive and most of these women are poor so they have to choose between either working long hours and neglecting their child emotionally, or meeting their child’s emotional needs but struggling to provide adequate food housing and shelter. Parenting isn’t really a job meant for one person. The most successful parenting is always shared by a group or duo of healthy minded people. When the child only has one very stressed person to rely on of course it will cause p…
/r/PurplePillDebate22/02/20 08:20 PM
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What seems obvious to me is that this would’ve been inevitable. The incentive just isn’t there anymore and social media didn’t cause that.
/r/PurplePillDebate22/02/20 08:14 PM
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Most likely as a result of their mental health issues. They need an outlet to express themselves. Channeling that into something more healthy and productive can only do good. I work with kids like this and many are angry, sad, resentful, stressed etc. The ones who are a part of something(sports team, orchestra/band) and have counseling in school do significantly better than their peers who don’t have these options available to them. Their grades improve, their behavior improves and their negativ…
/r/PurplePillDebate22/02/20 06:57 PM
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They’ll certainly help if they’re decent quality. These kids are more prone to mental health issues and some therapy is better than nothing at all.
/r/PurplePillDebate22/02/20 06:52 PM
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-Revamping mental health resources in public schools. -Promoting afterschool programs or extracurriculars with positive male role models. -If in the future there’s still a class connection with single motherhood, we could implement initiatives that make it easier/more convenient for them to complete an education. Like class structures that are more forgiving of the challenges that come with being a parent.
/r/PurplePillDebate22/02/20 06:50 PM
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Not if there’s mesures taken to counteract the negative effects of being raised by a single mom.
/r/PurplePillDebate22/02/20 06:43 PM
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So then the issue isn’t really the timeline it’s the value of the woman. Which is what most women suspect anyway. If he doesn’t want to marry, it’s never he doesn’t want to marry you specifically.
/r/PurplePillDebate22/02/20 06:41 PM
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Which is why I asked op to clarify what he meant by entitlement.
/r/PurplePillDebate22/02/20 06:37 PM
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I should’ve clarified that I was speaking about femcels. It’s not projection it’s from listening to their experiences. Guys will sleep with them but won’t commit, emotionally abuse them, be ashamed to take them out in public and be all around crappy to them because they’re ugly. For some femcels if they really want to say they have a guy that bad, they could put up with poor treatment and just accept the men Interested in them but for many of them that’s not a favorable option so they won’t do i…
/r/PurplePillDebate22/02/20 06:36 PM
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That narrative has been around longer than the 2010s though. It’s because it’s becoming more and more true as far as relationships go. Women are increasingly less willing to deal with men who don’t make them happy. While generations ago they’d be with those men because of security and survival.
/r/PurplePillDebate22/02/20 06:13 PM
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So is it manipulation if a man pursues a woman for sex if he’s going to dump her anyway?
/r/PurplePillDebate22/02/20 06:08 PM
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First off we’re typing and I can contribute as well.
/r/PurplePillDebate22/02/20 06:07 PM
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Women don’t want pump and dump sex though. Also men do want to be providers for women they’re into. Why is it more wrong for a woman to coax that out of a man that it is for a man to seduce a woman?
/r/PurplePillDebate22/02/20 06:06 PM
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No one said that. In fact men here are actually making the argument that what men want is ok but what FDS women want isn’t.
/r/PurplePillDebate22/02/20 06:03 PM
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You could then make the argument that women “have to” manipulate men. So it’s not wrong. FDS women think all day about what men want so they can use it to get what they want from men just like PUA/RP guys. If a woman dumps you it’s because you don’t give a shit about her.
/r/PurplePillDebate22/02/20 06:02 PM
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This seems oddly specific and disturbing.
/r/PurplePillDebate22/02/20 05:57 PM
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It’s because she was a conventionally attractive girl who fit in with the group demographics. She just didn’t have the “right” sense of style or social graces. I don’t remember all the character names but if the goth girl had tried to do what Katie did it wouldn’t have worked. To compare it to boys. It’d be like a somewhat shy but attractive and athletically inclined boy joint the football team. If he adapted well, as Katie did, he’d be taken into the group.
/r/PurplePillDebate22/02/20 05:56 PM
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I don’t blame them considering how they would/have been treated by the men that do pursue them.
/r/PurplePillDebate22/02/20 05:52 PM
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Please define what you mean by entitlement. Many here conflate entitlement and preference when they’re on the excluded end.
/r/PurplePillDebate22/02/20 05:52 PM
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Well I don’t have a penis so it doesn’t affect me.
/r/PurplePillDebate22/02/20 05:50 PM
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Hypergamy and polygamy aren’t necessarily mutually exclusive. As someone who works with kids on a regular basis I don’t see pre-pubescent girls flicking around “alpha” boys. That usually starts in middle school when the kids are starting to go through puberty. Men here say they’re jealous of Chad. Women just regurgitate it. “Why are Chad men allowed to x” “I bet you’d do y for Chad” “why does Chad get Z from women” “I want to be the guy women do x with just like Chad, women don’t appreciate the …
/r/PurplePillDebate22/02/20 05:44 PM
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They’re the same basically, but I guess scissoring wasn’t a very palatable word to some so they came up with “tribbing”
/r/PurplePillDebate22/02/20 05:39 PM
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Is anybody? Aren’t most attracted to the person attached to it vs the actual dick? If it was the dick itself that was the turn on then dick pics would be much more appreciated than they are.
/r/PurplePillDebate22/02/20 05:32 PM
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How do they not count if they exist? Also even among the ones that do it, some aren’t good at it, some are just ok and others are really good.
/r/PurplePillDebate22/02/20 05:30 PM
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So then it’s not really the cock they like, it’s the guy attached to it.
/r/PurplePillDebate22/02/20 05:30 PM
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Rubbing clitorises together
/r/PurplePillDebate22/02/20 05:28 PM
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Thats why they had separate lines for rating and messages. I’m not reading it wrong at all, I can clearly see based on the graph that the women have a skewed distribution for what they find attractive, but it’s not as skewed when it comes to who they’re willing to message. So Hinge data shows that women don’t initiate contact with men other than the most attractive men. In the second article you linked though the interviewee was discussing, likes, message imitation, and likelihood of finding a c…
/r/PurplePillDebate22/02/20 05:24 PM
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This is what it showed. When you scroll down to the women’s graph and look at their messaging behavior you see it’s not as skewed as their attractiveness rating. While for men it’s the opposite.
/r/PurplePillDebate22/02/20 05:09 PM
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That’s controlling your behavior not your feelings. You can do that and then you’ll end up like those couples who barely like each other but got together out of convenience. Many people would prefer being single over that.
/r/PurplePillDebate22/02/20 05:07 PM
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Yeah initially it was for college kids only then it later opened to the public. It was still going up and you noticed even in previous years when it ebbed and flowed each time was a little worse than the last. Honestly I think this was inevitable. Even without social media sexlessness would still continue to rise for other reasons. Some young people still use it but not in the way they use Instagram.
/r/PurplePillDebate22/02/20 05:04 PM
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I can appreciate the effort as I’ve gone through it. However I also listen to men who talk about this. They’re open about the resentment they have over casual sex access. I’m not saying they don’t or won’t ever want relationships, but relationships is not what they’re mad about. It’s casual sex. Agree to disagree though.
/r/PurplePillDebate22/02/20 07:09 AM
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The sex is what gives them that validation.
/r/PurplePillDebate22/02/20 07:01 AM
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Not really it just means finding your audience. For some men though, their “audience” is unattractive and they don’t want that. So they’ll change. Didn’t see the edit at first. A lot of them can get relationships that way, just not with the quality of women they’d like. Which is why they change. Also just relationships aren’t enough. You’ll often hear these types bemoan how more attractive men get the same or more for less. Meaning they get more sexual access, sometimes better quality sex, at a …
/r/PurplePillDebate22/02/20 07:00 AM
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She might thinks she’s equally or more attractive than you but not “better”, better is the whole package.
/r/PurplePillDebate22/02/20 06:56 AM
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They’re not talking about attractive men(8+) when they say this. They’re talking about men 6 and below, they’ll go for their looks match or below when it comes to casual sex.
/r/PurplePillDebate21/02/20 11:16 PM
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https://i0.wp.com/fabiusmaximus.com/wp-content/uploads/2018/05/Millennial-unmarried-incels-by-sex.jpg?ssl=1 This one is a little more detailed. It shows in the years leading up to the recession the sexlessness peaks were higher than before. Then the dropped briefly during the recession then picked up again and has been rising since. Tinder and Instagram are the most popular “distractions” and those came out in 2012 and 2010 respectively but sexlessness was rising before this. It’s a case of corr…
/r/PurplePillDebate21/02/20 11:13 PM
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They were, the sexlessness epidemic was still on the rise in 2007. The economy in America was bad then too so the financial incentive was definitely different. However regardless of this the early early to mid 2000s is when sexlessness started to go up and it’s just been going up since. The girls who were born or grew up during or after 2nd wave feminism(70s-80s) about where more opportunities came about would be reaching aoc during this time. These women and the women who cane after them always…
/r/PurplePillDebate21/02/20 09:56 PM
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I don’t think women think all Chads reach that level due to their “good personality” However you can definitely become more attractive with hard work.
/r/PurplePillDebate21/02/20 09:33 PM
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Some women will do that as part of the show. I don’t think it would be very enjoyable for either party if she was just laying there stiff and a board and completely silent.
/r/PurplePillDebate21/02/20 09:31 PM
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Before incentives to enter an unhappy relationship cane about sure. These trends have been slowly shifting for a while though, women are just now becoming more vocal and unapologetic about going down this path. Social media may have made it worse but it was honesty inevitable and I don’t think social media and old are the main or biggest causes. Even if old and social media disappeared I don’t think this would change. Women would still have the same grievances with men that they’ve always had. T…
/r/PurplePillDebate21/02/20 09:30 PM
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Oh ok!
/r/PurplePillDebate21/02/20 09:11 PM
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https://www.google.com/amp/s/techcrunch.com/2009/11/18/okcupid-inbox-attractive/amp/ Im not sure what the relevance of your first paragraph is? I’m not arguing that the women can’t get any men I’m just saying their messaging patterns are more liberal than their attractiveness ratings and it works in reverse for men.
/r/PurplePillDebate21/02/20 09:06 PM
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They can, it will just take a lot of searching and she probably won’t be that appealing depending on what kind of guy you are. I see your point but I don’t think it’s one woman they want. Their anger seems to mostly be about sexual access. They’re angry that they can’t be themselves and have casual sex as easily as “Chads”.
/r/PurplePillDebate21/02/20 08:59 PM
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The study also showed women being more willing to message and engage with men they deemed unattractive while men mostly messaged the hottest girls. Even though men have a more liberal curve they will still treat women differently based on how attractive they are just like women do with men. So at the end of the day does it really matter?
/r/PurplePillDebate21/02/20 08:56 PM
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Old and social media aren’t the only contributors though. We’re honestly probably giving them too much credit. There’s older women I know like this who chose this path way before old and such were even a part of the equation. Divorce is now much easier a trend that started in the 70s if I’m not mistaken, women have more avenues to support themselves outside of a husband or their father, so that’s less incentive to just go for any guy. Although still present the stigma against unmarried people is…
/r/PurplePillDebate21/02/20 08:52 PM
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What if none of them are attainable, and what’s attainable isn’t attractive? That’s the problem they have, and why they’re choosing to stay single instead.
/r/PurplePillDebate21/02/20 08:32 PM
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I don’t think that’s something you can really control in that way. You can only control whether or not you indulge in your attractions. So even if you start in your teens, your options are either to figure out how to bag what you want or how to be happy without.
/r/PurplePillDebate21/02/20 08:09 PM
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Plenty do that but still find they can’t will themselves to be attracted to the men they can attract. Even if they get more reasonable that doesn’t change the main issue of them not liking or being attracted to their options. This is what causes relationship dissatisfaction. If they can’t get what they want, they’re happier being single than settling for what they can get.
/r/PurplePillDebate21/02/20 06:26 PM
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When was that argued? I remember them saying men doing that would free up some of their burden, make them less stressed and tired which would then result in them being more amenable to sex. I don’t remember women saying the chores themselves are a turn on though.
/r/PurplePillDebate21/02/20 05:48 PM
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They’ll be happier than they would be in an unsatisfactory relationship. Which is the goal. The best strategy would be for them to figure out how to get the main guy they want. If that doesn’t work though, then figuring out how to be happy alone is the next best option. It can be done if you play your cards right.
/r/PurplePillDebate21/02/20 05:43 PM
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It depends on how much effort they put into fostering relationships or their location. If you live in a country where everyone gets married and has kids and if you don’t you’re a pariah then sure you’ll end up completely alone. In some western nations though attitudes toward marriage is changing so cat ladies of the future most likely won’t be treated the same as cat ladies of the past.
/r/PurplePillDebate21/02/20 05:36 PM
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Self-analysis and thinking you’re an exception to the rule. After talking about it you come to realize that men you find average may not be so average and that you’re not alone in your standards.
/r/PurplePillDebate21/02/20 05:32 PM
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Agree to disagree then because I honestly don’t think that’s true. I’ve seen plenty of happy women living this way. The only ones that are miserable have no friends or family or poor relationships with friends and family.
/r/PurplePillDebate21/02/20 05:28 PM
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If you’re not black I don’t think looking at black ghettos is an accurate representation of what will happen. There’s historical and cultural influences that also contribute to why black ghettos look the way they do. It’d be more accurate to look at single mothers in European nations and the outcomes for their children.
/r/PurplePillDebate21/02/20 05:23 PM
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I’ve never see people point that out to mgtows or incels. For incels I actually see people telling them to foster friendships to distract from the fact that they can’t get a partner. It can be a replacement if have really quality friendships. The single women I’ve seen who put the effort into having quality friendships and familial relationships don’t really feel the effects of not having a romantic partner. Their emotional and social needs are met platonically.
/r/PurplePillDebate21/02/20 05:17 PM
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You don’t need a patriarchy for those preferences to exist.
/r/PurplePillDebate21/02/20 05:00 PM
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These days that’s not a true. Most people stay in their class/tax bracket. The women choosing to be single are bachelorettes. Many could get a man if they wanted one. He just wouldn’t be one she’d be satisfied with.
/r/PurplePillDebate21/02/20 04:57 PM
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Some women do wine and dine men but they’re a minority. The main goal was so women who were too unattractive to get any man and woman who could only attract men who’d make them miserable could be independent and support themselves sufficiently without a husband or father taking care of them.
/r/PurplePillDebate21/02/20 04:52 PM
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Many men do need to hear it because they’re ok with it when they roles are reversed. They’re not overly fond of it but they’ll still accept it so it’s shocking/interesting to some that woman don’t feel the same way.
/r/PurplePillDebate21/02/20 04:50 PM
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Except she’s not expecting the man to be responsible for her, she’s taking responsibility for herself and removing herself from the dating pool. You can put as much effort as you want but if you’re not into that person it won’t change how attracted you are to them. Ok I guess we’re talking about different things. I was more so referring to women who opt out because they don’t like any of their available options vs women who stay in miserable relationships then cheat.
/r/PurplePillDebate21/02/20 04:47 PM
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The act is payment if you enjoy what you’re doing. I like baking and bike riding, the effort in itself is rewarding to me because they’re things I like doing. It’s the same for relationships if you like the person doing relationship things will feel fulfilling and rewarding. If you’re not into it, it’ll wear on you emotionally.
/r/PurplePillDebate21/02/20 04:44 PM
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So then what would be success? Putting effort into a relationship where you’re miserable when you know you can’t control how you feel about it?
/r/PurplePillDebate21/02/20 04:21 PM
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It’s probably hormonal. Women who are child free by choice discuss a brief window of time before menopause where they experience extreme baby fever unlike previous years. Then post menopause the feeling just goes away.
/r/PurplePillDebate21/02/20 04:15 PM
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It’s probably both. If you’re inspired the effort doesn’t feel exhausting. The inspiration makes you feel motivated and refreshed. If there’s no incentive you’re going to feel drained and like you’re wasting your time.
/r/PurplePillDebate21/02/20 04:13 PM
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Ime they’re only sad if they have no friends and family or poor relationships with friends or family. That’s always been the defining factor.
/r/PurplePillDebate21/02/20 04:08 PM
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That’s just another article talking about it. Not the actual study.
/r/PurplePillDebate21/02/20 04:02 PM
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Is it really 8% or just the 8% that admit to it?
/r/PurplePillDebate21/02/20 03:32 PM
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It’s behind a paywall, could you post the actual study? Im interested to see if they found similar results when the men showed relationship/emotional engagement in ways that weren’t anger or upset. Edit: I found the abstract but I’ve yet to find a free version of the actual study. https://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/m/pubmed/22369462/ “This study examined links between two distinct facets of empathy-empathic accuracy and perceived empathic effort-and one's own and one's partner's relationship satisfact…
/r/PurplePillDebate21/02/20 03:28 PM
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That’s interesting that they’re stick with men who lead with sex and men who reject them then. You escalate after vetting and feeling each other out when it comes to LTRs. You don’t just escalate right away. If he gives commitment freely wouldn’t he be giving all that freely too? If he stopped flirting I do think I would feel something is wrong.
/r/PurplePillDebate21/02/20 03:25 PM
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It is compatible if they’re both mid to high value.
/r/PurplePillDebate21/02/20 01:42 PM
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From the example you gave of your friends it sounds like no men actually want them and not that they’re rejecting men who genuinely want them. As for the question if he’s not pushing the woman to actually have sex then to me that sounds like standard courting. He desires you but you’re both taking your time to feel for compatibility before committing or having sex. Why would the man not be stimulating?
/r/PurplePillDebate21/02/20 01:02 PM
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“Seemingly in defense of it” So you were the one projecting then? The only thing I was arguing was that using “whores on a yacht” was a bad example. As I said before a lot of the women are literally paid to be there. Edit: Also that depends entirely on your definition of a high value man. If you define it very liberally then some probably do go for sluts. Others don’t because they fear those women are opportunistic and they value discretion.
/r/PurplePillDebate21/02/20 12:28 PM
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That’s perfectly fine, like I said everyone has different attitudes towards sex. It means different things to different people. It’s fine to have your own standards based on that. For me I just can’t see it that way because I rarely ever feel lust based on just physical appearance. Even the couple times it has happened my mind didn’t go to sex.
/r/PurplePillDebate21/02/20 11:28 AM
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“And they don’t give it up for free” This implies that all the women are getting paid for the sex either directly with money or with things of great monetary value as you went on to give examples of. You then went on to equate paying for dinner with prostitution and then assumed that’s how I viewed things when I never said or implied anything of the sort. Women make it a point to let men know that paying for dinner won’t lead to sex. The women specifically selected or paid to be on yachts at the…
/r/PurplePillDebate21/02/20 11:23 AM
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The way they act and what’s in their bio if you actually read it. Girls who are into that will initiate vulgar talk and give it as good as they get it. Girls who aren’t don’t initiate and aren’t receptive to that type of behavior.
/r/PurplePillDebate21/02/20 01:04 AM
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No, some women actually prefer it because that’s what they’re looking for too.
/r/PurplePillDebate21/02/20 12:56 AM
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They’d have to be really unhygienic and extremely physically unattractive for that to matter. I’ve never slept with a guy that I felt immediate lust for but I’ve never been disgusted by their physical appearance either.
/r/PurplePillDebate21/02/20 12:17 AM
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True!
/r/PurplePillDebate21/02/20 12:04 AM
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I honestly can’t tell you what it means to you. That’s for you to decide. For me personally it’s way to deepen an emotion connection. I know not everyone sees it this way though so I stick to dating people who do.
/r/PurplePillDebate20/02/20 11:59 PM
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You clearly do, since you said it.
/r/PurplePillDebate20/02/20 11:56 PM
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They need to do it in order for it to be normalized though. That’s how almost everything works people who are a part of a certain lifestyle push it and promote it until it’s no longer viewed as abnormal.
/r/PurplePillDebate20/02/20 11:55 PM
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Sex means different things to different people so it’d be hard to make that the standard. All you can really do is reflect on what sex means to you and then engage with other likeminded people.
/r/PurplePillDebate20/02/20 11:54 PM
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It’s not a relationship though because you’re not exclusive and you don’t claim each other. So you’re friends with benefits.
/r/PurplePillDebate20/02/20 11:49 PM
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Nope. That’s what you probably think though, and other rp dudes.
/r/PurplePillDebate20/02/20 11:46 PM
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I thought hanging out and stuff was a part of the deal? Otherwise they’re just a f*ckbuddy and not a friends with benefits. The one fwb I had took me on dates, would run errands with me, cook for me and was super helpful. From talking to other women who’ve had series of fwbs the guys do the same for them. If he just shows up for sexual only then you’re a bootycall. Not “friends” with benefits.
/r/PurplePillDebate20/02/20 11:45 PM
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Female sexpats do it in developing nations they vacation in. They’re not paying for just sex though they’ll often want to have a boyfriend experience with the men. It’s the same with women who solicit gigolos in their own countries, they’ll pay the man to go on a date with them, court them and seduce them and then maybe for sex too.
/r/PurplePillDebate20/02/20 11:42 PM
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So basically you’re saying they’re all getting paid just some more than others?
/r/PurplePillDebate20/02/20 11:39 PM
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If he didn’t ask you to be his girlfriend before sex then you’re probably headed towards an fwb situation. If a girl sleeps with a guy and doesn’t take this into account either she’s gotten really lucky or it’s wishful thinking.
/r/PurplePillDebate20/02/20 11:38 PM
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I don’t judge other people who do it but personally, it’s not for me. That’s not what I’m looking for. They definitely have a place in dating. They’re good for people who don’t want to commit but still want to enjoy sex intimacy beyond a ons/f-buddy situation.
/r/PurplePillDebate20/02/20 11:36 PM
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Many of them are literally whores, as in they’re paid to be there. If you want ones who will give it up for free you’ll have to sacrifice in either quality or quantity if you’re not handsome along with being rich.
/r/PurplePillDebate20/02/20 11:29 PM
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Most women don’t hate sluts unless the slut is a side chick, mistress or all around homewrecker. Even then there’s a recent shift happening where women are telling other women to be mad at men in affair situations, and not the other woman.
/r/PurplePillDebate20/02/20 11:27 PM
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From reading through your chain you seem to be attracting women similar to yourself. Maybe reflect on the energy you put out when on dates.
/r/PurplePillDebate20/02/20 11:13 PM
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Sisters, close female friends and cousins typically care too. Yeah you’re probably right.
/r/PurplePillDebate19/02/20 09:42 PM
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That just shows women are more willing to leave once they’ve succumbed not that they’re more susceptible. Plenty of men, especially with the way divorce laws are to breadwinners, would be ok maintaining a marriage while having a side relationship(s). As long as their wife doesn’t find out or they don’t fall to hard for the AP the marriage will continue.
/r/PurplePillDebate19/02/20 09:29 PM
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Yeah. To me it’s like putting icing on a crappy cake. The cake is still horrible even with the icing. When my acne was the worst(several pimples on my face at a time) makeup in my opinion didn’t help. Sure my lips looked glossy and plump and my eyes looked big and bright but my face still looked horrid and bumpy. I honestly only feel makeup has a positive effect when your face isn’t too textured.
/r/PurplePillDebate19/02/20 09:26 PM
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Why do you want a romantic partner?
/r/PurplePillDebate19/02/20 09:17 PM
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Women care. Most just don’t care enough to do anything about it, at least not for men they don’t love in some way.
/r/PurplePillDebate19/02/20 09:13 PM
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Yeah skincare is way more important imo. Your makeup will look bad if you’re skin isn’t at least halfway decent underneath.
/r/PurplePillDebate19/02/20 09:10 PM
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They’re resentful and want revenge.
/r/PurplePillDebate19/02/20 08:57 PM
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If he said that unprompted why wouldn’t she. It’s rude and she’s noted a pattern. Pretty normal to be curious about it.
/r/PurplePillDebate19/02/20 08:57 PM
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Im speaking mostly for myself here. Other women probably have different ratios. Not really, as long as you know what you’re looking for and you stick to your guns you’ll be ok.
/r/PurplePillDebate19/02/20 06:29 PM
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In my case I’d still have to love the guy, but I don’t ever expect to really feel lust for any guy I commit to. There’s ways to vet for sexual compatibility so if you do that you should be fine.
/r/PurplePillDebate19/02/20 06:28 PM
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For me it’d more do be 95/5 if basing purely on looks. But 50/50 if considering other factors.
/r/PurplePillDebate19/02/20 05:52 PM
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Um I don’t see how but ok.
/r/PurplePillDebate19/02/20 05:51 PM
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It does help, if you’re vulgar, brash and do it out of anger and spite then sure it’s confrontational but if you’re just communicating where you stand I don’t see how it’s confrontational. Agree to disagree though.
/r/PurplePillDebate19/02/20 05:43 PM
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It’s not confrontational it’s just getting to the point. “I want to get married, if that’s not something you see for us in the next year then this is the end of this relationship.” Ok fair enough, thanks.
/r/PurplePillDebate19/02/20 05:34 PM
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Ok well then personally I don’t see a problem with it. It quickly sorts things out. If you’re not meant to be the relationship should end. When people dress it up in pleasantries they both just end up dragging their feet on the issue and then are bitter when things end after all that wasted time. I don’t see how that’s treating your partner as slave. Especially since irl these are the end of a series of escalations. First hints, then “I would like like, I would prefer” then discussions about why…
/r/PurplePillDebate19/02/20 05:19 PM
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Everyday is a bit much especially if it lasts long than a few minutes.
/r/PurplePillDebate19/02/20 05:04 PM
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In other news water is wet.
/r/PurplePillDebate19/02/20 05:01 PM
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It’s not really an ultimatum. If you’re not on the same page what’s the point in dragging on the inevitable?
/r/PurplePillDebate19/02/20 04:58 PM
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Does it go beyond just sex and shallow conversations? Does he make a sincere effort to engage in what you like to do? Does he actively make time in his schedule for you? Or are you just an afterthought that he slots in to his already free time when he’s horny? Those are a couple ways to tell.
/r/PurplePillDebate19/02/20 04:56 PM
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I answered it. Him marrying you means he cares about your dignity/you being viewed as respectable.
/r/PurplePillDebate19/02/20 04:51 PM
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Shoes just add on top of the other improvements. A nice pair of shoes or a good accessory can really amp up an outfit. If I could only do a few then it would be skincare, hair and fitness/weight gain. Makeup can only do so much. If you have horrible acne ridden skin you’re still going to see all the raised bumps underneath.
/r/PurplePillDebate19/02/20 04:49 PM
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Yeah some do seem to have crippling mental health issues as well. Not a good combo if you’re looking for a relationship.
/r/PurplePillDebate16/02/20 06:44 PM
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They’re a growing demographic. They’re mostly the kids of hoarders or borderline hoarders. They go to the other extreme after hating growing up in so much clutter. Ok, agree to disagree
/r/PurplePillDebate16/02/20 06:24 PM
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Yeah but there’s levels to it. There’s women that will buy new clothes here and there and only really buy makeup when they’re running low. Then there’s women that do the aforementioned + an occasional “treat” to themselves here and there when something big happens. Then there’s women who are just addicted to buying things and can’t seem to stop. Then there’s women who are minimalists and don’t do any of the above. They’ll have a capsule wardrobe with the staples and they won’t buy something unle…
/r/PurplePillDebate16/02/20 06:16 PM
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So then this means it’s you whos been straw-manning. When I said people go by what they feel is the best fit, I mean after doing self reflection, vetting partners, thinking about your goals and the lifestyle you want etc. What level of commitment will you feel most comfortable with? To what degree are you comfortable intertwining someone in your life. I thought this was clear from the rest of the context of my comment.
/r/PurplePillDebate16/02/20 05:24 PM
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Straw-man where? Who you have kids with, who you let into your body and who you let into your life are all life altering decisions. Decisions most people make with a mix of feelings and login just like marriage. According to your logic though, this is stupid because making “life altering decisions dependent on feelings” is stupid.
/r/PurplePillDebate16/02/20 05:15 PM
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They’re not only into chads. They’re girls who because of their looks are good enough to pump and dump in the dark but not good enough to date and be publicly claimed.
/r/PurplePillDebate16/02/20 05:00 PM
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I’ve seen it. Typically between friends/roommates who have the same view on casual sex, who then start hooking up purely out of convenience. It doesn’t make sense to do this with someone you’re not committed to then. Ok so then dating/romance is stupid as well because it’s feelings based. As is sex for anything other than procreation. Same with platonic relationships that aren’t utilitarian. Following your logic, no one should marry, date, have sex, have children or have friends under circumstan…
/r/PurplePillDebate16/02/20 04:58 PM
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There’s also people that have sex with and sometimes even live with their fwb. People use the same argument when it comes to debating the meaning of the bf/gf label. “It’s the same thing so why is bf/gf important” When it comes to having kids, joining finances, support and jointly making major decisions the labels matter to people and they will go for the one they feel is best depending on what degree they want the person intertwined in their life.
/r/PurplePillDebate16/02/20 04:49 PM
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Marry your financial equal, vet profusely, don’t slip up on sex and romance like so many people do. Don’t think you’re above the advice of married and divorced people. Learn from their mistakes and successes etc. The information is out there most people just don’t care to apply it.
/r/PurplePillDebate16/02/20 04:15 PM
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Only if you don’t do it right.
/r/PurplePillDebate16/02/20 03:58 PM
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They are if they are the breadwinner. My mom had to pay alimony to my dad. If you marry someone on your level financially and have good pre- and post-nuptial agreements you’ll be fine. Sure but relationship-wise marriage is the highest form of commitment. There’s levels to it. A boyfriend is higher than an fwb and a husband is higher than a boyfriend.
/r/PurplePillDebate16/02/20 03:58 PM
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So is a lost life. Also it depends on what you’re lying about.
/r/PurplePillDebate16/02/20 03:01 PM
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The man actually wants you to be his wife not just his gf and baby mama.
/r/PurplePillDebate16/02/20 02:55 PM
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You’re legally agreeing to commit to someone for the rest of your life. It’s commitment for women too.
/r/PurplePillDebate16/02/20 02:54 PM
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When you’re older it definitely drys up.
/r/PurplePillDebate16/02/20 01:55 PM
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Unless you’re a gold digger you do love him because you’re making the ultimate form of commitment.
/r/PurplePillDebate16/02/20 01:53 PM
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It’s the truth. The man doesn’t love you, trust you or care about your dignity. He likes you enough to keep you around though.
/r/PurplePillDebate16/02/20 01:52 PM
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We don’t know that’s why op is asking. Men still do get married despite rising anti-marriage attitudes so we’re trying to figure out why.
/r/PurplePillDebate16/02/20 01:49 PM
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You can tell if she’s that type before you even marry her. If you don’t want that to happen filter out those types.
/r/PurplePillDebate16/02/20 01:46 PM
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I’m honestly shocked that it’s men getting triggered over men’s group. Seems like self sabotage. The only way I can see this making some semblance of self is if the men in the group are all the same demographic and men of other demographics are jealous or upset. If the that’s the case you can stress that you’re open to all types of men to assuage the jealousy of the men hating. If you don’t want to do this then honestly just don’t engage with the trolls and continue doing what you’re doing with …
/r/PurplePillDebate15/02/20 11:24 PM
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To preface this I have the same standard when it comes to men and women being loyal. So there’s no hypocrisy here. Basic loyalty where you reciprocate your partners loyalty and kindness is a fair expectation but not everyone is deserving of loyalty. There’s no guarantee that your loyalty will be reciprocated and even if it is, your partner might take advantage of it to do whatever they please if they feel you won’t leave. There’ll be cycles of “working it out” only for them to go back to their o…
/r/PurplePillDebate15/02/20 11:18 PM
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I don’t know and I don’t have that expectation of them. I’m simply saying that men often don’t want the harsh truth once they get it. Maybe it’s a different case when other men tell it to them straight but women should proceed with caution when being bluntly honest with men.
/r/PurplePillDebate15/02/20 11:12 PM
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I’m not talking about deadbeat fathers. There’s men that are great fathers but terrible husbands. Your instincts to provide and protect can come out for your children but not women. That’s why I said their instincts show in how they treat their children.
/r/PurplePillDebate15/02/20 11:10 PM
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Not necessarily. If you’ve passed the guy’s threshold he’s going to be looking at other things. Plus women have been pumped and dumped by men less attractive than themselves because the guy didn’t like them. He wouldn’t turn down the opportunity for sex though.
/r/PurplePillDebate15/02/20 11:08 PM
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I don’t think I understand what you’re saying, would you mind expanding? And personally I’m honest with men but I’ll lie if I sense they won’t take the news well. By that I mean they’ll get emotional, erratic and potentially violent. I’m sure I’m not alone in this fear. If you’re a woman who can’t read men well you’ll probably lie to be safe rather than sorry. Then there’s women who are just manipulative and/or pathological liars.
/r/PurplePillDebate15/02/20 07:39 PM
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They can do that without being loyal or to the woman or monogamous. Their instincts show in how they treat their kids.
/r/PurplePillDebate15/02/20 07:35 PM
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I should’ve been more clear. Chemistry is what determines if a sexual encounter will just be a pump and dump or if it will blossom into something more.
/r/PurplePillDebate15/02/20 07:34 PM
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Yes, however I’ll add that women will assume that regardless of whether or not it’s true. Sometimes the guys actually would find them funny and they’ll show it to a male SO but they get too scared to show it to a group of guys. Anecdotal but I have the pleasure of knowing a few funny women, the one thats totally confident about herself still cracks jokes around guys too and they also find her funny. The difference between her and most women though is she’s not worried about men finding her cute,…
/r/PurplePillDebate15/02/20 07:33 PM
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There’s not really an incentive to do the last 2 and being brutally honest can be dangerous. I don’t think men want that anyway because when women do it we get told to be nicer and sugarcoat a little bit.
/r/PurplePillDebate15/02/20 06:46 PM
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It’s because they’re thinking about a man dirty talking in a tactless crude manner. No one likes an over explainer though so it’s much more convenient to say “no talking about sex”. It serves the same filtering purpose.
/r/PurplePillDebate15/02/20 06:38 PM
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Pumping and dumping is about chemistry so it may be that the woman herself is off putting and not that she is too picky. There’s plenty of guys who seek relationships but then pump and dump because they don’t vibe with the girl but they won’t turn down sex.
/r/PurplePillDebate15/02/20 06:34 PM
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Over the top how?
/r/PurplePillDebate15/02/20 06:32 PM
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No, but they’re more confident about their humor. A woman may be comfortable being humorous and entertaining in a small group or among friends but they’ll shy away from entertaining a bigger audience. I notice men don’t really have this hang-up unless they’re an introvert.
/r/PurplePillDebate15/02/20 06:27 PM
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Only due to lack of opportunity not lack of desire.
/r/PurplePillDebate15/02/20 06:25 PM
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You can see what happens with your own eyes too to corroborate the claims. The wife helps them build the couple, gets divorced and all the mans subsequent relationships are a very very distinct and different type from his first wife. Or if he has an affair same thing and he might leave for the mistress. Statistically yes.
/r/PurplePillDebate15/02/20 06:25 PM
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Thanks!
/r/PurplePillDebate15/02/20 02:35 PM
2

What does WHRs stand for?
/r/PurplePillDebate15/02/20 02:11 PM
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I think the blue pill theory is correct. Even men who aren’t in the top 20% are becoming marriage averse. Some still want “forever girlfriends”. Some women may go for it but people are becoming more isolated so LTRs will decline, sexlessness will rise and single motherhood will rise. There’s going to be a lot more people who never find a life partner and seldom have a life partner who will just work and keep to themselves until they die. They may have a kid or 2 along the way.
/r/PurplePillDebate15/02/20 02:10 PM
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Plenty of men don’t. If they can get another woman with minimal risk they’ll do it. A lot of men don’t deal with anything you said they’ll trade the woman out when he’s tired of her. Then get a younger woman. Some people stay loyal others trade up. Idk if I’d call the men that do this dark triad monsters.
/r/PurplePillDebate15/02/20 01:46 PM
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It’s not projection. I’m basing this off women it has actually happened to. You can argue that women do it more often but men definitely aren’t an exception as far as this goes. They just don’t always have the opportunity to trade up plus there’s the issue of sunk cost. They’re definitely just as capable. It hasn’t happened to me personally. I just listen to other people’s experiences. It’s common enough that there’s terms for it. Starter wife vs trophy wife.
/r/PurplePillDebate15/02/20 01:43 PM
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I’m not talking about those women. Leftover women are one thing, most can’t get a man in the first place. I’m talking about women who got a guy, but he left them for a “better” woman. Like guys who when they’re less financially well off will have one woman who they build a life with with, then they dump her and go for a younger more beautiful woman.
/r/PurplePillDebate15/02/20 04:57 AM
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Agree to disagree then because I’ve noticed the only thing that stops most men is opportunity and the sunk cost fallacy. If men didn’t trade up too though, starter wife vs trophy wife wouldn’t exist. Nor would there be as many women lamenting being left for a hotter younger version of themselves.
/r/PurplePillDebate15/02/20 03:34 AM
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That only works if the guy has no other options or the options he does have are worse than what you’re providing. The biggest difference between the two is opportunity. If he thinks he has a reasonable chance with a better girl he’ll go after her. If he thinks he doesn’t he’ll stick around.
/r/PurplePillDebate15/02/20 02:35 AM
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Catty female bullies in tv and movies, vindictive female characters, chaotic vixen etc. Definitely not sugar and spice. Mainstream news reports on female criminals and offenders and they don’t paint them as angels. https://www.google.com/amp/s/www.nytimes.com/2019/12/03/us/murder-hanging-pennsylvania-lisa-snyder-.amp.html https://www.google.com/amp/s/abcnews.go.com/amp/US/woman-charged-pit-bull-kill-man/story%3fid=68245180
/r/PurplePillDebate15/02/20 01:34 AM
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Men do not love unconditionally. The closest thing to unconditional love you’ll see in humans is parent to child. It doesn’t exist between romantic partners.
/r/PurplePillDebate15/02/20 01:22 AM
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Yeah a lot of people were skeptical of her claims. There was a clear divide when this story first broke. Some believed her, others wanted to wait for the facts and some thought she was lying.
/r/PurplePillDebate15/02/20 01:19 AM
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I think he wants feminists to talk about it but most likely it won’t happen.
/r/PurplePillDebate15/02/20 01:17 AM
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If that was the case women wouldn’t be viewed as b*tchy, naggy, thots etc. We’re viewed positively and negatively.
/r/PurplePillDebate15/02/20 01:17 AM
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What are women really supposed to do about it? Most people have their own problems to worry about and they’re not going to take on someone else’s without incentive. If you want more female MRAs you’re going to have to persuade women to join somehow.
/r/PurplePillDebate15/02/20 01:15 AM
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Isn’t this victim blaming?
/r/PurplePillDebate15/02/20 01:12 AM
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More men should talk about it then to raise awareness.
/r/PurplePillDebate15/02/20 01:10 AM
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You two tick one of the boxes. -Enjoy each other’s company outside of sex. A lot of couples don’t. There’s a lot of men here who feel girlfriends are useless beyond sex. They have nothing tying the relationship together besides sex. Those are the people I’m talking about.
/r/PurplePillDebate13/02/20 06:17 PM
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Ideally that’s something you’d talk about and figure out.
/r/PurplePillDebate13/02/20 05:34 PM
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Again you’re trying to equalize abuse/harmful behaviors to something neutral. Also funnily enough if the guy is great outside of his couch potato moments a lot of women will stick around. They’ll leave if there’s no redeeming qualities in the relationship.
/r/PurplePillDebate13/02/20 02:24 PM
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Any category is fine. Unless you’re an escort I don’t see how you can rack up 300 bodies. If you have varying timelines with the men you sleep with it could be for a variety of reasons. It’s not always about manipulation. With one man the woman could’ve wanted to try casual then found it didn’t work, so with another she waits 5 months, another 3months or however long until she feels comfortable. It doesn’t mean you don’t love them and if you’re honest and open they can walk away if you guys aren…
/r/PurplePillDebate13/02/20 02:22 PM
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Yes they do if they didn’t get the girl they wanted.
/r/PurplePillDebate13/02/20 02:13 PM
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If they want attractive men like how men want attractive women they have to work to look pretty. Not all women are genetically blessed.
/r/PurplePillDebate13/02/20 02:12 PM
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That’s not why. Many women like sex too and if your guy is addicted to porn and has death grip your bedroom life will suffer.
/r/PurplePillDebate13/02/20 02:09 PM
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Not it can’t. Someone trying to maim or kill you is not on par with not having sex. The timeframe isn’t the important thing. It’s what your relationship is like outside of sex. Do you have anything that binds you together? Mutual hobbies? Do you enjoy each other’s company non-sexually?
/r/PurplePillDebate13/02/20 02:00 PM
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Those type of women typically don’t like submissive straight men either. If it’s just that they think gay sex is gross then I agree they’re homophobes, but those women typically aren’t the same women who are at pride parades or promoting gay rights. They’re the the type that “tolerate” gay people. They may not support discrimination against lgbt people but you also would never catch them at pride, a gay bar or publicly supporting gay rights.
/r/PurplePillDebate13/02/20 12:49 AM
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No worries lol.
/r/PurplePillDebate12/02/20 11:50 PM
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It doesn’t mean you look down on homosexuality or view it as unclean. It just means it’s something you don’t want yourself or your partner to be directly involved in. You can still be respectful of homosexuality despite this. You can compare it to views on lifestyle choices. A person can be respectful of others choices and defend someone’s right to those choices while not wanting to indulge themselves or date people who do.
/r/PurplePillDebate12/02/20 11:49 PM
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I’m not saying it’s noble, it’s something though. He’s definitely exploitative though.
/r/PurplePillDebate12/02/20 11:41 PM
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Well I don’t know. It was just a theory anyway. By feminists do you mean self-identified or are you just labeling that way based on views.
/r/PurplePillDebate12/02/20 11:39 PM
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They’re at least adults and he didn’t mention them being drugged or beaten. They might be but at the very least he has not being a pedophile over the dudes from my old town.
/r/PurplePillDebate12/02/20 11:35 PM
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This thread and the response from male commenters says otherwise. Men are reacting the same way as women.
/r/PurplePillDebate12/02/20 10:35 PM
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I know and I’m pointing out men’s.
/r/PurplePillDebate12/02/20 09:41 PM
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You’re not helping them out by fucking them, you’re exploiting their situation to serve your sexual needs. Helping them out would be giving them food, water, money or supporting services to transition them out of that lifestyle.
/r/PurplePillDebate12/02/20 08:07 PM
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Most people don’t. You said you live in a country where it’s legal too so it’s easy to be unaware of the darker side of sex work.
/r/PurplePillDebate12/02/20 07:51 PM
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It has nothing to do with my taste. I don’t do ons/casual so that’s not a worry for me. I listen to other women’s experiences, how men talk about the casual escapades and look at stats. That’s informed my opinion.
/r/PurplePillDebate12/02/20 07:47 PM
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The same reason a woman’s past matters to men. They’re viscerally disgusted by promiscuous women. He’s not yours it’s just your turn.
/r/PurplePillDebate12/02/20 07:37 PM
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It’s gross and disturbing. I live in a country where it’s not legal and the area I grew up in any person that went to one was knowingly participating in the escorts exploitation. Sometimes the escorts would be trafficked kids. That level of sadism, the lack of empathy and the potential pedophilia are all turn offs to me. It just signals that he’s a depraved human being pretend to be human because of social conventions.
/r/PurplePillDebate12/02/20 07:35 PM
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I wouldn’t say they’re over the top controlling. Feminists for the most part pride themselves on being strong and capable. Many are dominant and assertive to drive the point home especially if they’re around people who view women as weak and incapable. It wouldn’t surprise me if women like that get turned on by being dominated in the bedroom.
/r/PurplePillDebate12/02/20 07:32 PM
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Well it depends on how far apart in age you had them too. If they’re all 1-2 years apart and you don’t have more than 3 it’s fine. Just wait for the youngest to get old enough and the fun is back on.
/r/PurplePillDebate12/02/20 04:18 PM
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I will stay at home if my home business becomes more lucrative. Otherwise I’m on the fence because of the risks. No it’s not. Once they’re potty trained you can rekindle things. Even before that even if you have a trusted person watching them while you have fun with your SO.
/r/PurplePillDebate12/02/20 04:06 PM
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It’s not charity it’s speaking in generalities. What are the typical ways each gender expresses emotions? Women typically do so by crying, getting sad etc. Men are socialized against this so they go to anger. Barring sociopaths and psychopaths, anger is more likely going to be fuel for violent and destructive behavior than sadness. When angry either gender can do violent and destructive things. It’s just more likely to be men because they don’t always express their emotions in other ways. This d…
/r/PurplePillDebate12/02/20 04:05 PM
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Those are women with severe anger issues. We’re speaking in generalities here. Yes there are women prone to anger who will engage in violent and destructive behavior when upset like you listed. Some will also run you over or try to kill you themselves. There’s men who will just cry and be anxious. For the most part though because of how the genders are socialized women will just burst into tears and men will get angry.
/r/PurplePillDebate12/02/20 03:55 PM
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I’d rather have it ready to go for when they reach that age than looking to move again once the deadline starts drawing closer. If you’re both working, spending and saving wisely then that cuts down on the amount of hours you need to work to afford a reasonable lifestyle. So you can make time for common interests and hobbies, personality will always be present.
/r/PurplePillDebate12/02/20 03:41 PM
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When did they let women off the hook? They explained how women can be nasty to each other in their own dominance hierarchies.
/r/PurplePillDebate12/02/20 03:36 PM
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Being weak and crying serves as a signal for everything you mentioned though.
/r/PurplePillDebate12/02/20 03:34 PM
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Can you please explain to me why sexual rejection is worse than or akin to bullying? I agree most women won’t have sex with weak men but that’s not “picking on” them.
/r/PurplePillDebate12/02/20 03:30 PM
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I highly doubt that. If it was the case the stats on orgasms for women wouldn’t be what they are. If a man has no incentive to make sure you get sexual pleasure he won’t do it.
/r/PurplePillDebate12/02/20 03:28 PM
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They’re being raised in poverty like conditions. I would want my kids to either have their own room or no more than 2 kids per room. A backyard to play in and to be able to take them anywhere without having to rely on shoddy public transportation. I don’t think that’s true. Maybe when they’re in the baby stage. When they’re a little older though, you can always get a babysitter to have fun in date night or have a trusted family member to stay with the kids for a bit.
/r/PurplePillDebate12/02/20 03:26 PM
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?
/r/PurplePillDebate12/02/20 03:22 PM
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Well for men here sure I don’t doubt that. However there are men on other facets of reddit who are equally anonymous but don’t share the same sentiments as men here. That’s why I’m a bit apprehensive to just say that all or most men hate women but love getting sex from them. Can you clarify the last sentence I’m not sure I get what you mean?
/r/PurplePillDebate12/02/20 03:21 PM
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Nope, but you did. You should’ve kept reading. “while the effect of power on arousal by masochistic thoughts is stronger among men than women”
/r/PurplePillDebate12/02/20 03:17 PM
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I don’t want my child to grow up in poverty though. A personality and common interests.
/r/PurplePillDebate12/02/20 03:15 PM
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Idk if power affects you being a pedophile or not. Here you go: https://journals.sagepub.com/doi/abs/10.1177/1948550615604452 https://thoughtcatalog.com/christine-schoenwald/2015/11/this-is-why-powerful-men-like-to-be-dominated-in-the-bedroom/
/r/PurplePillDebate12/02/20 03:14 PM
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By yourself that’s fine. When you have kids not so easy. Plenty of women are like that yet their marriages still fall apart. You need more than that.
/r/PurplePillDebate12/02/20 03:05 PM
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Seeing as she’s your girlfriend you’ve invested to some degree. So that’s why, you know if you didn’t, she probably wouldn’t be as quick to have sex with you. If she was just a casual hookup it wouldn’t be the same.
/r/PurplePillDebate12/02/20 03:04 PM
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Ok so again. You proved her point. There was never any relationship to begin with if that’s how you feel. Also I wouldn’t say no man. No ppd man is more accurate.
/r/PurplePillDebate12/02/20 03:01 PM
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Probably for the same reason many men in high power positions do. If you’re strong and dominant all the time you might want a period where you can step out of that role and be dominated.
/r/PurplePillDebate12/02/20 03:00 PM
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Or in a lot of developed nations middle class and below can’t survive on one income and history has shown women that being completely financially dependent on a man can be disastrous.
/r/PurplePillDebate12/02/20 02:58 PM
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Fair enough. Since men don’t get it though it’s fair to explain to them why a woman may want to wait if she’s not looking for something casual. She will want to take her time so you can see who she is before having sex.
/r/PurplePillDebate12/02/20 02:57 PM
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If a man loves you he’ll call more about getting you off, because he loves you. If you’re just another notch on his belt or he doesn’t care about you beyond using you as a human flesh-light he won’t care about your pleasure because he doesn’t really care about you.
/r/PurplePillDebate12/02/20 02:55 PM
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I mean plenty of men on here say it. Idk if you can generalize to men outside of ppd, but men on here make no secret of the fact that they don’t really like women, they don’t enjoy women’s company, but they do love sex so they will willingly enter a relationship with a woman and use her as a free prostitute. Understanding this clarified a lot of other viewpoints men on here have. Edit: Thanks for the silver!
/r/PurplePillDebate12/02/20 02:52 PM
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Yeah her logic makes no sense, and same here! I want to always be able to pay my own way and not let a man have that much power over me.
/r/PurplePillDebate12/02/20 02:48 PM
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She did. That if lack of sex can easily break your relationship then it was weak to begin with because you didn’t enjoy your partner outside of that.
/r/PurplePillDebate12/02/20 02:47 PM
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They’re not hoping to bag a rich man. They’re hoping to get their check so they can pay for their expenses and buy whatever they need. If a woman marries well and still chooses to work it’s because she doesn’t want to put herself at risk by relying solely on a man. That can be dangerous.
/r/PurplePillDebate12/02/20 02:46 PM
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So you’re proving her point. . . The relationship was doomed to fail from the start of that’s how you feel.
/r/PurplePillDebate12/02/20 02:42 PM
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The date you part isn’t always a part of the package. It’s just because they find you attractive. It’s perfectly reasonable to wait and see if the man actually likes you as a person and is considering you as a serious partner before sleeping with him. If you just want casual sex though, then that’s fine.
/r/PurplePillDebate12/02/20 02:41 PM
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Except that’s not completely true. A man can sleep with a woman and feel nothing for her. Men don’t have to love or even really like a woman to sleep with her. As long as she passes his attraction threshold it’s good to go, With this being reality women will never accept this a true avenue for men feeling love and will look at alternative ways to prove love and have it shown to them. Not just sex everything else about a relationship. Romance, how much you care for each other, how deep your bond …
/r/PurplePillDebate12/02/20 02:37 PM
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Girl what😂 I’m working because I have bills to pay and a pet to take care of. Maybe that’s how things are for you but most women work to take care of themselves,and treat themselves not to bag a rich man.
/r/PurplePillDebate12/02/20 02:35 PM
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How so?
/r/PurplePillDebate12/02/20 02:32 PM
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Sure you won’t get any argument from me on that. I already said in another comment that if the woman doesn’t want to come clean or be judged about her past but digs into his that’s hypocritical. I’m sure not all women are not doing that though so it doesn’t matter if other women are saying the past shouldn’t matter. Ideally the past shouldn’t matter but irl it does. I prefer not to date bisexual men, men who’ve experimented with other men, men who solicited prostitutes, ex-cons sex offenders etc…
/r/PurplePillDebate12/02/20 06:34 AM
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Well if you want to do full glam then yeah we’re not there yet but you can definitely do a little here and there, like concealer, bb cream, and brows. Unless you have people digging through your bathroom they’re not going to know.
/r/PurplePillDebate12/02/20 06:23 AM
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It doesn’t have to, just think about it. Unless you’re doing a very colorful full beat with the lash extensions and all most people aren’t going to really know if you’re wearing makeup and they’re not going to care to find out. Plus if it makes you feel any better there’s a tiny but growing movement to normalize straight men wearing noticeable makeup.
/r/PurplePillDebate12/02/20 03:51 AM
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Well if you’re wearing falsies, lipstick, bright shadow and blush sure. They’ll think you’re gay. If you’re doing a muted “no makeup” makeup look. Most people won’t even be able to tell and they won’t really care. They’ll consider you a metrosexual but not really gay if the makeup isn’t too flamboyant and colorful.
/r/PurplePillDebate12/02/20 03:42 AM
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You can have it at home. The escorts can come to you if you arrange it. Because men complain about marriage and dating all the time. So if you’re in a country where prostitution is legal why not go that route instead? Why do they still try to get girls friends and wives? Yes. I have men in my life who I don’t have to sleep with to keep around. I try to be good company. If a guy only wants me for sex there’s no point in us engaging. Why have someone in your life that intimately if you don’t even …
/r/PurplePillDebate12/02/20 02:12 AM
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Most people split these days because guys don’t want to be taken advantage of monetarily. So women aren’t getting that much out of it financially.
/r/PurplePillDebate12/02/20 02:07 AM
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It is easy. All the money you would spend dating and courting just redirect it to buying sex. What’s so difficult. With this in mind what is the reason or men still pursuing women for marriage and relationships when they have an easy option available. If pussy is all they want then they can get it without dating.
/r/PurplePillDebate12/02/20 01:49 AM
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In countries where prostitution is legal the women are fairly clean because they get regularly tested and it’s affordable for a man on a full time salary so why not go that route is pussy is all that matters? The other stuff time limits prices etc should be irrelevant because it’s guaranteed easy pussy. So with this option why do men there still pursue women? Why not just make sure you have enough money to see your favorite escort as frequently as you’d like?
/r/PurplePillDebate12/02/20 01:47 AM
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I don’t think most men masturbate themselves into passing out or do it so often and so tightly that they develop death grip, weird complexes about sex or porn induced ED.
/r/PurplePillDebate12/02/20 01:45 AM
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I saw it but it still doesn’t make any sense. If pussy was all then why not just exclusively pursue the easier alternative routes to getting it? That’s what I’m asking.
/r/PurplePillDebate12/02/20 01:41 AM
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Yeah but there’s ways for them to get it without dating women so then what’s the reason?
/r/PurplePillDebate12/02/20 01:39 AM
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Oh ok fair point
/r/PurplePillDebate12/02/20 01:38 AM
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So then isn’t the reverse an investment as well?
/r/PurplePillDebate12/02/20 01:38 AM
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No. My mom paid for my dad and I know some other couples like them. So men are able to get a woman pays for them. Also the career and gym stuff is a reach. Are women paying to be with men because they spend money to improve their appearance and social standing to attract men?
/r/PurplePillDebate12/02/20 01:18 AM
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I’m just asking lol. The timing and content seemed too convenient to be a mere coincidence. Fair enough though!
/r/PurplePillDebate12/02/20 01:17 AM
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This is a good point. Something I didn’t even realize.
/r/PurplePillDebate12/02/20 01:16 AM
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From what I’ve seen no. They just don’t date men like that and advise other women on there to follow suit.
/r/PurplePillDebate12/02/20 01:15 AM
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So why do they do it then?
/r/PurplePillDebate12/02/20 01:11 AM
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No they’re talking about porn addicts mainly. Since whenever they talk about it they always discuss men who did extreme things while masturbating, gave themselves death grip or desensitized themselves so much that they can’t have normal sex anymore, they basically have porn induced ED. Then there’s a camp over there that’s against it for ethical reasons(Revenge porn and trafficking)
/r/PurplePillDebate12/02/20 01:10 AM
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It seems like you made this post to do a “gotcha” on men. Like, “oh you were calling women homophobes for not wanting to be with men who slept with men in the past meanwhile you guys don’t want women with promiscuous pasts”
/r/PurplePillDebate12/02/20 01:06 AM
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Are you trolling based off the bisexual thread?
/r/PurplePillDebate12/02/20 12:38 AM
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Until proven otherwise they’ll assume all bi guys to be in the submissive role and assume that they like being penetrated and they’ll assume the reverse for straight guys. Which is why I told the op that if he met these women under specific circumstances and showed that he wasn’t a bi guy that preferred men more or liked being penetrated he might see some different results. Straight men have more of an opportunity to explore that part of their sexuality so there’s not too much worry there becaus…
/r/PurplePillDebate12/02/20 12:20 AM
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You’re exactly right!
/r/PurplePillDebate11/02/20 11:04 PM
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There’s a reason you put “good girls” in quotes.
/r/PurplePillDebate11/02/20 11:01 PM
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Both of those gets “it’s a preference” or met with vitriol depending on who you ask. Usually people in the excluded group get mad about it. Everyone else will be on board with it being a preference. I’m black and I wouldn’t consider you not dating a black girl as racist, even if you had the opportunity to. It’s only racist if you’re going on and on with dehumanizing stereotypes. Like saying black girls are bull dogs or something. Simply not dating someone doesn’t make you prejudice though. The s…
/r/PurplePillDebate11/02/20 11:01 PM
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Exactly what I was thinking. I think their idea of a bad boy is probably some alternative punk kid who skips school and smokes weed or vapes. Which I guess could be considered a bad boy but most actual bad boys only attract women as bad as themselves if not worse.
/r/PurplePillDebate11/02/20 10:41 PM
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Umm no they’re not. Unless the woman is a bully or a felon herself. I find it interesting that this is always glossed over. Most of the women that chase literally criminal men are criminally inclined themselves.
/r/PurplePillDebate11/02/20 10:19 PM
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From my experience that isn’t true. Unless the guy is going on a rant about black women no one really cares what he likes. Even if he was going on a rant only black women will call him racist but, what he said will be defended by other people as a preference and the black women who called him racist will be labeled as bitter and insecure. When it comes to certain ethnicities and bisexual men I’m personally not disgusted by them. I’m just not into them. Most people fall into this category when it…
/r/PurplePillDebate11/02/20 09:08 PM
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By the women themselves because that’s akin to men who call you a b*tvh after you reject them. I’m black and I don’t think it’s racist that some guys don’t like black women. I have my preferences and I would hope I wouldn’t be called racist or bigoted for them because I don’t hate or get disgusted by any races, or sexual orientations. I just prefer certain ones over others.
/r/PurplePillDebate11/02/20 08:55 PM
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I find it so funny how if women do this to men, men will claim we’re trying to shame them and control their sexuality. Yet you don’t keep the same energy in reverse. I’m sure you have a type. Are you racist/ableist/sexist/ a body shamer for not dating people outside of your preference?
/r/PurplePillDebate11/02/20 08:18 PM
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So are women they’re called man hating misandrists fueling the war on masculinity. They’re not that small in number. They’ve always been around and they will continue to grow. They just don’t talk about it as much as men for various reasons. Partially because being a bachelor is cool while being a spinster is shameful and sad, the reasons behind their choice are different than men’s etc. The birth rates are declining and I don’t think this is wholly due to men’s choices. You said it not me. I wa…
/r/PurplePillDebate11/02/20 08:16 PM
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It’s a very nuanced issue. Some women are cool with it off rip. Some women can be convinced but only under very specific circumstances. You sound like you’re bi but prefer women from what you’ve said here and if you explained and “proved” that then women on the fence would probably be ok with dating you. Irl though there’s very few opportunities for this unless you’ve known each other for a long time. I’m not sure where you’re meeting these straight women but if they start off as strangers befor…
/r/PurplePillDebate11/02/20 07:20 PM
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For some people that’s all fine and well and they do just that.For others they’ll feel guilty that they forced their partner to give up what they like just to be with them. It honestly depends on the person. I wouldn’t be cool with it because I’d want my partner to be who they are and not feel like they have to change so radically just to be with me just as I’d want them to give me the same respect. So because of that if the preference is a fundamental difference between us I’d respect and suppo…
/r/PurplePillDebate11/02/20 06:41 PM
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No. From growing up in the hood any “good girl” that liked bad boys wasn’t really a good girl. She was either a bad girl or a wanna be bad girl who had strict repressive parents. I was never into them because I didn’t want to end up with a guy who’d have me strung out on crack and getting gangbanged in a dirty house for $20 bucks. I didn’t want to seduce men to their deaths or run drugs so I stayed away from those types. Every girl I grew up with who didn’t want that lifestyle did the same.
/r/PurplePillDebate11/02/20 06:34 PM
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Honestly I couldn’t. I can articulate why I like what I like but I can’t always explain why I don’t like certain things. I know better than to just pull a reason out of nothing though, because that’s when problems will start.
/r/PurplePillDebate11/02/20 06:23 PM
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They’re just not into it that’s the difference. You can respect someone and think they’re a great person but if you’re not into them for whatever reason you’re not going to want to sleep with them. It’s not that trivial. It’d be more like meat eaters vs vegans or hardcore gamers vs someone who isn’t into games. Sure you can look past it and have a great relationship if you try your hardest. You might both have to compromise but why do that when you can just date others who fit your preferences? …
/r/PurplePillDebate11/02/20 06:22 PM
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A lot of women don’t have negative stereotypes attached to why they don’t date bi guys and they don’t hate them. If someone asked me why I don’t I could think of an answer because I don’t have one. If someone asked me why I don’t date certain ethnicities I wouldn’t have an answer either. I just know that’s not my preference because I’m not attracted. If you keep pressing a woman for an answer and then she responds with some random nonsense because you keep asking. I don’t think you can use that …
/r/PurplePillDebate11/02/20 06:16 PM
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Why is it always boiled down to homophobia or insecurity? Everyone has their preferences. Are racial preferences racist? Are you ableist if you don’t want to date a person with physical disabilities or mental health issues? Are you ageist if you only date a certain age group? This logic doesn’t make sense to me. You can accept someone as a person and not fear or hate them, even if you don’t want to date them.
/r/PurplePillDebate11/02/20 06:10 PM
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It’s because they don’t hate gay people. They just don’t want to date lgbt men because they’re not attracted to those type of men.It’s just a preference.
/r/PurplePillDebate11/02/20 06:05 PM
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If they’re bashing bi-guys or trying to restrict them then that’s messed up but otherwise I don’t see the issue? It’s just a preference. Everyone has their preferences. It doesn’t necessarily make you “phobic”. I personally wouldn’t date a bi guy but I don’t hate them or fear them. This argument sounds just like people who try to claim racial preferences are racist. Also if straight women are boring why do you care that they don’t want to sleep with a bi guy anyway? It shouldn’t affect you. Ther…
/r/PurplePillDebate11/02/20 05:59 PM
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Complaining about dating and being married when you’re actively a part of it and discussing your journey of choosing to be single and childfree are two different things. I was referring to the latter when I said women don’t make forums or say anything on or offline. If that wasn’t clear I apologize. Women who choose to not get married or have children typically do so in silence unlike their recent male counterparts. I have my guesses on why. Most of them don’t label themselves, most don’t identi…
/r/PurplePillDebate11/02/20 05:56 PM
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Those women complain about guys they’re actively dating or men they’re married to. They’re not women who are choosing to be single by choice. I seldom ever see women online saying they’re checking out of dating all together and encouraging other women to do the same. If they make that choice they just do it and live their life. If someone asks them why they don’t have a husband or kids they’ll explain themselves but otherwise they don’t say anything on or offline.
/r/PurplePillDebate11/02/20 05:48 PM
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Key word: “in public”. They go online and have created a name, forum and YouTube channels to talk all about it. Women don’t do that. Most don’t label themselves as wgtow in public or online. They just live the life. That’s a very self-centered view. For decades there have always been men and women who either choose not to have a partner or who can’t get one. We’re more aware of the men who are this way by choice. Acknowledging the women who are also like this by choice isn’t “sh*tting on mgtow”.
/r/PurplePillDebate11/02/20 03:30 PM
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True!
/r/PurplePillDebate11/02/20 03:25 PM
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Even if you do screen it only does so much if your options are bad.If you’re a woman who’s not attractive enough to get approached by men your dating pool won’t be that great.
/r/PurplePillDebate11/02/20 03:12 PM
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If I had taken the initiator route back then the outcomes would be much worse than the recent times I’ve done it. I had an old friend like that back then. After initiating with dozens of guys she managed to get a “boyfriend” who wouldn’t publicly claim her and treated her like crap. I probably would’ve been in the same boat. So honestly I’m glad I went the way of improving my appearance instead. Fair enough then. If that was my only option I guess eventually it would work but I’m sure the qualit…
/r/PurplePillDebate11/02/20 02:30 PM
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Women who actually call themselves wgtow sure. However there’s always been women who either prefer to stay perpetually single or who were perpetually single for other reasons. They just never gave themselves a name.
/r/PurplePillDebate11/02/20 02:22 PM
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It’s because most wgtow don’t label themselves as that. They just do it and don’t talk about it unless you ask.
/r/PurplePillDebate11/02/20 02:20 PM
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True but even makeup aside women invest way more in looks than men do. Just look at how much we spend on beauty related things even outside of makeup. No that’d be incorrect. I didn’t really care about boys one way or the other for a while. Then I started noticing that the only attention I’d get was negative or neutral. Never positive. Changing my looks changed this though and now it’s neutral to positive. I’ve approached men first and because it’s rare they’ll almost always give you their numbe…
/r/PurplePillDebate11/02/20 02:14 PM
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I didn’t even think of lgbt people but that’s a good point.
/r/PurplePillDebate11/02/20 01:59 PM
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It’s more freeing than being completely under a mans thumb. You can’t go anywhere or do anything without his permission. You don’t have your own money to invest in your hobbies. He can do anything he pleases to you and you won’t be able to leave. At least with a “soul crushing cubicle job” you have freedom and reprieve after clocking out.
/r/PurplePillDebate11/02/20 01:58 PM
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Exactly! This was life for women with crappy husbands when and where my grandma grew up and they were miserable and stressed.
/r/PurplePillDebate11/02/20 01:56 PM
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Um no. Unless you have rich parents willing to bail you out if need be I don’t see how this is a good idea. What happens to women who don’t get chosen? Or if they got chosen by an abusive man? Or an irresponsible man? How will they support themselves?
/r/PurplePillDebate11/02/20 01:53 PM
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That’s where male thirst comes into play. It’s a combination of both imo.
/r/PurplePillDebate11/02/20 01:51 PM
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Yeah they do. Some guys wear concealer and fill in their brows. It’s just a little thing but it goes a long way.
/r/PurplePillDebate11/02/20 01:41 PM
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It’s not just makeup. It’s clothes, hairstyles, skincare routine, shoes, nails and then makeup on top of all that. It’s true for me. I was skinny, ugly and unfashionable and didn’t attract any guys. I put on a little weight, worked on my looks and style and now I can attract guys. Also for a lot of women they want a decent quality guy and not just any guy. So they’ll put in the work to attract one. If you’re looking for just sex yes but if you want a relationship approaching men might not work a…
/r/PurplePillDebate11/02/20 01:36 PM
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Several straight men have also noticed a boost after cleaning up their profile. Imo it’s a mix of presentation quality and male thirst.
/r/PurplePillDebate11/02/20 01:30 PM
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No from what he puts in his bio, the activities he chooses to highlight in his pics or the conversation if the first 2 were green flags.
/r/PurplePillDebate11/02/20 01:29 PM
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You don’t have to be attractive for a man to sleep with you. As long as you’re the gender he prefers and not completely repulsive you’re good to go sex wise.
/r/PurplePillDebate11/02/20 01:27 PM
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In certain settings. I’m pretty sure you’ve seen all the women in your life without makeup plenty of times. You can use that to measure. Also in stores on non-work days. Americans aren’t the type to dress up for errands for the most part so you’ll see women there casual and makeup free as well.
/r/PurplePillDebate11/02/20 01:25 PM
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You go through way less guys and you learn more about relationships. If you CC in the traditional sense you could easily reach the triple digits if you wanted to. Serial monogamy you can maybe reach the double digits if you start really young and get married really late, but honestly not many women do that.
/r/PurplePillDebate11/02/20 01:21 PM
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Upper middle class
/r/PurplePillDebate11/02/20 01:17 PM
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Upper middle class.
/r/PurplePillDebate11/02/20 01:16 PM
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Unless you were UMC you didn’t really have “security” as a woman. At least not the type most women would want. For UMC women things are still good. For the rest of women it’s a catch 22.
/r/PurplePillDebate11/02/20 06:16 AM
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That I definitely agree with. Yeah I always thought the CC was referring to women who have countless fwbs and one night stands in their youth.
/r/PurplePillDebate11/02/20 02:55 AM
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It’ll me with the same chick and they’ll hang out with her but they don’t try to integrate her into their life or feel all that compelled to leave their wife for her. Some do, some don’t and are perfectly content just keeping things as they are.
/r/PurplePillDebate11/02/20 02:45 AM
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I’m not completely disagreeing. I know some older women like this. From what I saw they all were serial monogamist going from 1 6mo-2yesr relationship to the next starting from their teens. Around 25ish they all started pushing for marriage and kids with the guys they were seeing until a good enough one was on the same page about settling down. Some had fwbs here and there in between LTRs. The ones who ended up single either stayed with a guy who wanted a forever girlfriend all throughout their …
/r/PurplePillDebate11/02/20 12:03 AM
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Ok that’s fair. Personally I view that behavior as manipulative but others may not see it that way. So far I’ve seen all 3(men reluctantly agreeing, women reluctantly agreeing and poly people) but the vast majority seem to be people who are polyamorous. People who are just pressured into accepting that relationship never seem to last in it, they get worn down. So that may be why I don’t come across those types as often.
/r/PurplePillDebate10/02/20 11:48 PM
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Then that’s not a mutual agreement it’s coercion or force. You can find a lot of the reverse too. Women agreeing just because they don’t want to lose the guy. Most of the time though, it’s 2 poly people who get together and discuss upfront how they want things to go.
/r/PurplePillDebate10/02/20 11:38 PM
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Those aren’t the ones that typically end up single in their 30s though. They move around until one offers the level of commitment they want then they settle down.
/r/PurplePillDebate10/02/20 11:25 PM
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Fair point. I was operating under the assumption that it’s a mutually agreed upon open relationship. If it’s forced then both are bad.
/r/PurplePillDebate10/02/20 10:04 PM
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One the relationships are completely separate the other they’re intertwined to some level. Even if it’s just due to your spouse/partner knowing and being okay with it.
/r/PurplePillDebate10/02/20 09:42 PM
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You can choose to disagree with them I’m just stating a few common ones. I’m assuming that’s a red flag because based on the context it’s brought up in that means the guy is trying to get you to come over for sex. The guy doesn’t have to be wealthy. A lot of women over there have said they’d be fine with inexpensive dates and treatment as long as he put in effort and it showed he was listening and paying attention to your wants and needs. If that’s your take fair enough. They have a similar atti…
/r/PurplePillDebate10/02/20 09:21 PM
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Those aren’t their red flags. I’ve never seen it suggested that the guy has to drop $300 on a first date. Actual red flags they’ve brought up are: -being ambiguously asked to hang out -being taken out to coffee instead of an actual date -Inability to hold consistent convo or give fair warning if you won’t be able to communicate for an extended period of time. -low effort dates -overtly sexual off-rip -Every ex is crazy -Excessive porn use Among others. They do it often. They discuss how being a …
/r/PurplePillDebate10/02/20 08:55 PM
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STRs and hookups always seemed to be the main focus whenever I scrolled through there. That’s not a surprising take though. I agree, especially since both tend to cater to people who were on the extreme opposite end of the spectrum.
/r/PurplePillDebate10/02/20 08:23 PM
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They do, they discuss dating red flags, propose theories on what they think drives men’s behavior, discuss how they think men view women who engage in certain behaviors etc and give advice on how to avoid being compartmentalized in unfavorable ways by men and how to get what you want out of them.
/r/PurplePillDebate10/02/20 08:06 PM
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I seldom saw LTRs brought up on trp and I never saw marriage mentioned. FDS is about getting what you want out of intersexual relationships as well. A provider that will cherish you.
/r/PurplePillDebate10/02/20 08:05 PM
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So in your opinion what does this mean for relationships involving men with healthy sex drives? They don’t care about their partners?
/r/PurplePillDebate10/02/20 07:52 PM
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Idk man. I’ve seen men cheat and then go home and be decent husbands and fathers. While women will start pulling away from their husbands and then leave or come clean. Men don’t seem to catch feelings as easily.
/r/PurplePillDebate10/02/20 07:50 PM
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He’ll become boyfriend number #1 or a husband much more quickly than a mistress becomes a gf/wife though. Not too many women are capable of having 2 completely separate relationships where they maintain a balanced amount of effort and boundaries for each. They’ll either cut one off or push for an open relationship.
/r/PurplePillDebate10/02/20 07:44 PM
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It doesn’t sound like they’re talking about promiscuity or virtue. They’re saying both are capable of cheating but just not in the same way.
/r/PurplePillDebate10/02/20 07:39 PM
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I guess.
/r/PurplePillDebate29/01/20 08:18 AM
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Then you just need a few good ones. You don’t need to be open to the whole male dating pool unless you’re really pressed for options for some reason.
/r/PurplePillDebate29/01/20 08:05 AM
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Well, you only really need one good one.
/r/PurplePillDebate29/01/20 07:59 AM
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Yet AWALT is seldom ever used in a neutral sense. The vast majority of the time it’s used as a pejorative. Agree to disagree then, because even scrolling through ask trp I see my point in action. There’s some men asking for advice on how to refine their use of trp tactics in a long term relationship and everything I suspected happened. The gf starts sh*t testing again because she is unsure of herself in the relationship. The boyfriend provides comfort but then the cycle becomes repetitive and te…
/r/PurplePillDebate29/01/20 03:30 AM
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Yes. I take it you’ve never seen an attractive guy show up then basically be surrounded by women who try to converse with him and be in his presence.
/r/PurplePillDebate27/01/20 02:22 PM
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Of course. I’ve never seen AWALT associated with anything but negative traits on trp. From that it’s pretty clear to me what the term is for. I’m aware. They’re for guys who want a decent variety of fairly consistent casual sex options. I’m just saying I think trp works better for this because it’s short term and trp can work in the short term but not in the long term. Yes she after a little bit she won’t be because as I said something will give. The man can’t maintain comfort levels he doesn’t …
/r/PurplePillDebate27/01/20 02:08 PM
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If they’re both attractive the the dude doesn’t need to put in any more effort than the girl. Options will come to him.
/r/PurplePillDebate27/01/20 02:01 PM
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I don’t have a son. I have an adoptive nephew/cousin. She and her husband worked out an arrangement with the kids and she’s been going to therapy. They’re doing as ok as they can given the situation.
/r/PurplePillDebate27/01/20 02:43 AM
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I don’t have either of those. If you’re referring to my cousins post then no need. All is well with her and the kids.
/r/PurplePillDebate27/01/20 02:41 AM
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Swish.
/r/PurplePillDebate27/01/20 02:40 AM
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I honestly can’t tell you why they thought that. They were and still are young and immature so maybe they’re mindset will change. They were all adamant that too much sex irreparably damages a woman’s vagina and makes it loose and look like roast beef. I was the dumb one for saying that’s not how it works.
/r/PurplePillDebate27/01/20 02:36 AM
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Being used or abused is a loss because you lost time and incurred emotional damages. Sometimes financial too depending on what kind of dynamic you had with the guy. Mostly the former though.
/r/PurplePillDebate27/01/20 02:32 AM
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Sure. We were talking in terms of women and their interactions with men though.
/r/PurplePillDebate27/01/20 02:19 AM
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I addressed that it goes both ways in a couple comments. That’s why I initially took issue with his statement anyway. He made it sound like its one sided but men react the same way for the same reasons when women get disgusted at male porn usage and libido.
/r/PurplePillDebate27/01/20 02:18 AM
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That learning about male behavior mitigates loss.
/r/PurplePillDebate27/01/20 02:16 AM
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Proper vetting changes things.
/r/PurplePillDebate27/01/20 02:05 AM
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Likewise😊
/r/PurplePillDebate27/01/20 02:02 AM
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Yes the point I made about the metaphor being nonsensical and way off base definitely flew over your head.
/r/PurplePillDebate27/01/20 02:01 AM
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Ew.
/r/PurplePillDebate27/01/20 02:00 AM
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No a -10,000 actually. Fair guess though!
/r/PurplePillDebate27/01/20 01:37 AM
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🤢 don’t call me baby Idk you. I accept reality. It’s not lose lose for me. Win-win only. Just accept it sweaty.
/r/PurplePillDebate27/01/20 01:33 AM
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Sorry you’re poorly informed. They both typically only have one match. So the key is useless except for the door it’s assigned to.
/r/PurplePillDebate27/01/20 01:33 AM
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By looking back on past relationships either your own or others and look at the lead up to when things went wrong vs when they went well. If your sitúa starts looking similar to how things did when the relationship went wrong, leave. It usually starts out as small frustrating things then it builds up to worse. Cut it off before it reaches that point.
/r/PurplePillDebate27/01/20 01:28 AM
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Most indicates a significant portion not all. Which is what she started off with. Which is why it’s important to learn how to vet for red flags the best you can and cut things off if you realize the relationship is damaging to your mental health.
/r/PurplePillDebate27/01/20 01:15 AM
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A lot of them do stay single until they find a guy who isn’t like that.
/r/PurplePillDebate27/01/20 12:31 AM
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They’re probably assuming he’s a player and are waiting for the other shoe to drop based on this assumption. If what you see it’s well intended but misguided care. Have you talked to them about how you view relationships differently and don’t place as much weight on labels?
/r/PurplePillDebate26/01/20 11:14 PM
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I don’t blame them there’s guy who’ll do the most and you think it’s something but it’s really not. So it’s best to communicate and hope they’re honest with you to make sure you’re not making any faulty assumptions one way or the other.
/r/PurplePillDebate26/01/20 11:12 PM
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Some people like being ambiguous others like to be explicitly clear. Having the talk benefits both because if you’re not on the same page the talk will reveal that and the two people can move from there.
/r/PurplePillDebate26/01/20 11:11 PM
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Men do give a f*ck that’s why they complain about it and do studies on it. All I’m saying is don’t try to act like this is a one way street. No what they want is to not be disparaged and insulted for their choices. Just like how irrespective of their dating pool men do not like to viewed as degenerates for watching porn or being interested in women for just sex. Each group wants to make their choices without others commenting on or insulting them. Even outside of sex people want this when they’r…
/r/PurplePillDebate26/01/20 11:07 PM
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I’m not grasping at straws. The women don’t have to be ugly although I’ve seen that to. When a guy is good looking enough women will come to him. He doesn’t have to do any chasing. Then there’s women who are very picky so it’s actually hard work for them to be a slut. It’s not as binary as you’re trying to make it. You’re imagining an average to attractive woman who accepts every proposition and racks up her body count that way and an ugly to average man who clawed his way up to being a manwhore…
/r/PurplePillDebate26/01/20 11:00 PM
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I honestly can’t see it working long term because if you think AWALT and associate this with negative experiences you’ve had with women you’ll be reluctant and averse to give romance as you said . If you’ve been repeatedly burned in the past how can you stop yourself from thinking the woman you LTRd won’t be the same? How do you motivate yourself to be genuinely romantic when you feel she’d screw you over like all the others given the chance? I don’t see any logical way that this would work. The…
/r/PurplePillDebate26/01/20 10:56 PM
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Less relationships overall but more successful when they do happen. People are slowly becoming more careful and selective of who they commit to these days so they won’t enter relationships often but when they do they’re more likely to last because they were careful.
/r/PurplePillDebate26/01/20 09:59 PM
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Most women wear heels 3-6” I think they just want some spare inches to still have a height gap between them and their guy when they do wear heels. Ideally they don’t want to be the same height or taller than him if they do wear heels. Many would compromise for the right guy though.
/r/PurplePillDebate26/01/20 09:58 PM
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It also depends on how high above your own attractiveness you’re shooting. If you’re just average or below average but you’re only attracted to really hot guys it will take some time and effort to rack up a high body count. If the woman is picking men close to or below her own value then your point stands.
/r/PurplePillDebate26/01/20 09:55 PM
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Wow I didn’t realize the average height for black men and that women was that short lol. I always thought it was higher.
/r/PurplePillDebate26/01/20 09:48 PM
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http://www.wecare4eyes.com/averageemployeeheights.htm 5’10.2 but close enough still.
/r/PurplePillDebate26/01/20 09:47 PM
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“Justification” is a better word. They’re trying to conjure up a reason why they like tall men beyond just attraction in an attempt to avoid being shamed for their preferences.
/r/PurplePillDebate26/01/20 09:44 PM
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The men have to reciprocate as well and depending on where you stand they may not take up your offers for sex because there’s a lot of other options in a city that large.
/r/PurplePillDebate26/01/20 09:37 PM
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Because she kind of is. I’m not sure what country she is from but average female height in the US is 5’4, Canada 5’3.4 U.K 5’4. For men it’s 5’10, 5’8.5 and 5’9.6 respectively. Depending on where she’s from or living she’s in the clear to say she’s tall and needs a lot taller dude.
/r/PurplePillDebate26/01/20 09:35 PM
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You’re assuming a lot to come to this conclusion. What is their respective smv? What’s the quality of the partners they’re sleeping with? Etc. All a lot of men have to do is maintain and erection and they can be whores. Then there’s women who climb an uphill battle because they’re trying to sleep with higher caliber men so they will need to be witty, fit and attractive and good at seduction. What you also neglected to mention is that both groups also have the same red flags in some members of th…
/r/PurplePillDebate26/01/20 09:29 PM
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Because looking at behavior and what they shows me there is no difference. Slut shaming is used to dissuade women who didn’t sleep around from doing it as well so there goes your argument. Except they call dudes who still do it coomers and make fun of them. That’s way more harsh than what I’ve seen feminists say on the issue. As I said earlier there’s a split between feminists some of them just want industry reform. Not an outright ban. Their reasoning has nothing to do with men’s sexuality. It’…
/r/PurplePillDebate26/01/20 09:25 PM
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That’s a bit taller than female average height for most countries.
/r/PurplePillDebate26/01/20 07:01 PM
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No it’s not because they both signal the same potential behaviors and risks. There’s no real reason to look at them differently.
/r/PurplePillDebate26/01/20 06:50 PM
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When women bring up that they don’t want to date men who watch too much porn or have nsa sex the women are called delusion, get accused of using shaming language and trying to shame and police men’s sexuality. It’s the same thing. Also feminists seldom argue that men shouldn’t have access to porn. Some of them are against current porn because there’s a fair amount of revenge porn and videos made of trafficked people. It’s hard to keep track of so some feminists call for reform and more industry …
/r/PurplePillDebate26/01/20 06:47 PM
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It was natural at one point but after trying and failing to get the relationships they want in that way they became cynical, angry and dejected. They find trp go through their anger phase, some come out of it others never seem to. In either case though the cynicism always remains it kills and replaces their natural inclination to romance. Cynicism, skepticism and mild dislike replace it. Romance becomes performative and taxing to do. It may work out if you find a woman who needs very low levels …
/r/PurplePillDebate26/01/20 06:45 PM
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It’s completely true. You’ll even see the attitude from men on here. Typically when the topics of nsa sex or porn come up.
/r/PurplePillDebate26/01/20 05:40 PM
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It’s not but that was their logic. They thought vagina got loose from repeated use and that’s why it looked like that.
/r/PurplePillDebate26/01/20 05:38 PM
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Not trp men thats why I believe it would be hard to maintain in an ltr. From seeing the general tone of posts there romance isn’t something they want to or like doing. They’re much more cynical. Faking that will be taxing on the man but if he doesn’t do it then the woman will react as I said earlier. I doubt it but ok.
/r/PurplePillDebate26/01/20 05:36 PM
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I guess I’ve just never met one then. They can be both. You can possess those skills and use them week but to myself and any Well informed woman they’re red flags. I try to keep fairly up to date with PUA, trp mgtow etc. to know what to look out for so if I see that things are going that way I would just politely cut it off.
/r/PurplePillDebate26/01/20 01:44 PM
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I don’t think I’ve ever met any at all and It wouldn’t have work on me anyway. From my understanding they try to escalate to sex fairly quickly and that would’ve been a red flag for me.
/r/PurplePillDebate26/01/20 12:55 PM
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I edited the grammar. It should be clear to you now.
/r/PurplePillDebate26/01/20 12:54 PM
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I am a female with female sexuality. I’m looking at it logically because from looking at other peoples relationships I see how certain things turn out. More likely than not they won’t past the “comfort” test and the relationship will inevitably implode. It’s draining to maintain something you have to begrudgingly force and you can only do it for so long. Which is why I think trp works for casual sex but not LTRs.
/r/PurplePillDebate26/01/20 12:53 PM
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I’ve met more dudes who used the relationship angle to get sexual than pua types. I’ve actually never met a pua type dude irl that I can recall.
/r/PurplePillDebate26/01/20 12:48 PM
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Yes I have and no they don’t. They reject him if they don’t want what he’s offering. If they do they’ll have sex with him.
/r/PurplePillDebate26/01/20 12:43 PM
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They may have coined the terminology but online they’re no longer the only ones who use it. Offline men make similar comments about promiscuous women “worthless” “used up” “dirty” saying they have “nasty roast beef pussy from taking too much dick” etc. It’s beyond just not wanting them for relationships, promiscuous women are undeniably viewed contemptuously. Piggybacking off the earlier bus analogy. A more accurate depiction would be a guy taking public transport when he doesn’t have a car beca…
/r/PurplePillDebate26/01/20 07:06 AM
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That’s where observational skills come in handy. Teach them that and they’ll be fine.
/r/PurplePillDebate26/01/20 07:02 AM
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So then as I said the solution would be to drop platitudes and work on their observational skills so they know where they stand. There’s guys who I thought would be FA who found someone and vice versa. You can think one guy has a chance and that another doesn’t then turn out to be completely wrong about both. You’re not them so you’ll never know their situation 100%. That’s why it’s better to work on their observational skills so they can navigate life themselves.
/r/PurplePillDebate26/01/20 06:37 AM
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She never did. She simply asserted that women get their pleasure in a different way than men. Casual sex encounters can involve more than piv sex. Some women do it for piv sex other women do it for the various arousing non-penetrative aspects.
/r/PurplePillDebate26/01/20 06:31 AM
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https://www.reddit.com/r/sex/comments/cftbop/does_the_act_of_sex_actually_feel_good_for_women/?utm_source=share&utm_medium=ios_app&utm_name=iossmf From looking at the comments it seems pretty similar. Some women like it. Others need clit stimulation.
/r/PurplePillDebate26/01/20 06:28 AM
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Men say they’re disgusting, roasties, damaged etc. They definitely don’t hold positive views of them and don’t hide their contempt.
/r/PurplePillDebate26/01/20 06:21 AM
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Honestly no lol. I could be perfectly happy never getting dick again as long as I still got oral and clitoral stimulation. Dick is not bad but it doesn’t really do anything for me. I may be an outlier though.
/r/PurplePillDebate26/01/20 06:15 AM
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Ok lol
/r/PurplePillDebate26/01/20 06:10 AM
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It’s better to teach them to fish than to fish for them. There’s no way to be absolutely certain that they’ll end up in that 23%. Earlier you said saying “might” isn’t good enough. With that said it’d be much more effective to figure out why some people are oblivious and help them be observant to figure out how their specific situation will play out. With the right observational skills they’ll know better than anyone what their odds are.
/r/PurplePillDebate26/01/20 06:10 AM
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There’s a fake dick(dildo/strap-on) involved. Another reason why I think the dick is the problem is because men typically prefer submissive women over dominant ones. So submissive only becomes an issue when dick is involved.
/r/PurplePillDebate26/01/20 06:06 AM
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Gender differences in some aspects doesn’t mean there can’t be similarities in others. Yes you can have it both ways, if you’re promiscuous it makes no sense to harp on someone else for being the same way. Same with being sexually conservative.
/r/PurplePillDebate26/01/20 06:05 AM
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You’d be surprised lol. Yet you still view them as disgusting though. So it’s the dick that’s the problem. It’s viewed as dirty and you’ll be viewed as dirty by default for engaging with one.
/r/PurplePillDebate26/01/20 06:02 AM
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Thanks.
/r/PurplePillDebate26/01/20 06:01 AM
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So then you don’t know how far many men will go in the pursuit of sex. I don’t I offer other things and lead with that first after testing compatibility. I “safeguard” sex for a variety of reasons. One is because it’s a good way to tell which guys are genuine and which ones just want sex. If it’s taken off the table temporarily and he bounces immediately without getting to know you then you know what his true objective was.
/r/PurplePillDebate26/01/20 06:00 AM
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Either way, they’re referring to dudes who are community dick who get offended by equally promiscuous women.
/r/PurplePillDebate26/01/20 05:56 AM
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Being the recipient doesn’t always means submission. The fact that no distinction is made between high n-count dominant women who carry that into the bedroom and high n-count submissive ones leads me to believe that it’s just the act and dick itself that inspires disgust.
/r/PurplePillDebate26/01/20 05:56 AM
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For you it’s not enough. The solution would be figuring out why some people have such poor observational skills. You can literally see the ease and difficulty people have with dating/sex/romance on a gradient by looks and such. If you’re realistic about yourself and pay attention to what goes on around you it’s easy to put 2&2 together.
/r/PurplePillDebate26/01/20 05:45 AM
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Have you ever dated a man? They’ll tell and promise you everything if it means you’ll sleep with them. That’s why it’s wise to hold off on having sex and see how they react to being told no. Give them time to reveal their true self.
/r/PurplePillDebate26/01/20 05:37 AM
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They’re viewed as victims as well depending on the context. If they were tricked they’re viewed as a victim.
/r/PurplePillDebate26/01/20 05:35 AM
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It depends on the circumstances if she was trying to manipulate him into sex she’s a loser. If he lied or was deceitful to get sex she’s a victim.
/r/PurplePillDebate26/01/20 05:33 AM
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That doesn’t extend always extend to sexual loyalty. That’s why you’ll see many men who’ll cheat but then still provide for and remain with their SO. Whereas women if they cheat are more likely to end the entire relationship and be with the new guy.
/r/PurplePillDebate26/01/20 05:30 AM
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So that means dick is dirty then if receiving it is what’s considered defiling.
/r/PurplePillDebate26/01/20 05:20 AM
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Don’t be obtuse. You know they’re just using that persons language to refer to men who are community dick but then got offended by their female equivalents.
/r/PurplePillDebate26/01/20 05:19 AM
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Yet when women have similar attitudes towards male sexuality, men laud accusations of misandry and claim women are trying to shame and control men.
/r/PurplePillDebate26/01/20 05:17 AM
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Having anxiety and fear about your partner causes problems if you don’t resolve things in a timely manner. The stuff you talked about will resurface but for a different reason. It’ll be done as a weird way for the woman to assure you care about her vs a matter of disrespect. In both cases though the behavior is caused by compatibility/issues with one or both people.
/r/PurplePillDebate26/01/20 05:14 AM
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Why not opt out all together then?
/r/PurplePillDebate25/01/20 06:13 AM
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Among college students quite often because as I said they’re broke lol. I’m not a Latina dude. My family is Jamaican. I’m 99.9% sure anglophone Caribbean countries aren’t considered Latin. Idk how it is among the Spanish speaking islands but from talking to other Caribbean kids from English speaking islands we all had pretty similar upbringings. Once you hear the music blasting on the weekend you know it’s time to get up and get cleaning before your parents get you up. I’m not lying to you or th…
/r/PurplePillDebate25/01/20 06:05 AM
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Well giving it away to the establishment maybe but not to the girl because she’s paying her half when they go on non-free dates. A lot of women do those things just for the sake of it. Being helpful to others can give them a mild boost though so idk how you’d class that? I’m 22, I’m from a Caribbean immigrant family that has different values though. When I lived at home every weekend from the age of 9 I’d get dragged out of bed or woken up at ungodly hours to cook and clean. Now as a result I’m …
/r/PurplePillDebate25/01/20 01:46 AM
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In college some things that are considered dated are “chilling” “hanging out” or couples do cheap dates and split costs. So the guy isn’t “giving away” money. Well that depends. I guess not because the woman wouldn’t consider it a waste of time. Yes. I’ve written essays for guys I’ve dated, done their homework and helped them research for projects. All my boyfriends that have been sick I babied them for the days they took off by bringing or making them food cleaning up their place and just being…
/r/PurplePillDebate25/01/20 01:22 AM
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They don’t have any money to give away lol. If you’re counting time and energy as resources then sure I agree but that’s covered under “company”. It’s a two way street on those as well though. I’m not harping on them for only having that little. I’m simply saying because this is the case they lose the financial aspect of the beta appeal. The person before was saying the same thing as well.
/r/PurplePillDebate25/01/20 01:03 AM
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I went to school with them and dated them. Unless they come from a well off family they’re typically broke. Most students are. If you’re working at all it’s at a part time low wage low skill job. Your check gets eaten up by your personal expenses first like bills, gas, groceries and/or books. So it doesn’t leave that much leftover.
/r/PurplePillDebate25/01/20 12:54 AM
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I’m 100%. Their meager earnings typically get eaten up by their living expenses unless they’re lucky enough to have their parents bankroll them. They have no tangible resources. All they can offer is company and affection.
/r/PurplePillDebate25/01/20 12:48 AM
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They can’t. They have nothing to provide. They’re broke college students who typically have noting to offer but their company.
/r/PurplePillDebate25/01/20 12:45 AM
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They’re missing a huge part of it not all of it. Financial benefits are repeatedly listed among the beta traits.
/r/PurplePillDebate25/01/20 12:41 AM
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So why are you assuming people don’t read the glossary? They’re just saying these beta guys are missing a huge chunk of the beta appeal but still get to enjoy sex and relationships.
/r/PurplePillDebate25/01/20 12:38 AM
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I read it. The beta traits listed a lot about financial benefits but then there was also kindness and commitment.
/r/PurplePillDebate25/01/20 12:15 AM
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That depends on whether or not they were born attractive or they had to work to get there. A woman can get what a high value man has only if she is pretty and high value herself. If you’re average or ugly life isn’t that easy. Unless you’re referring to just sex?
/r/PurplePillDebate25/01/20 12:14 AM
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Or the woman too as I also mentioned. I brought it up to show there’s other more effective ways of achieving the same result. Trp doesn’t work for LTRs because it’s essentially emotional abuse(dread and holding frame) the adverse effects of that crop up sooner or later.
/r/PurplePillDebate25/01/20 12:13 AM
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I’m sure they do that’s how they came to the conclusion that the men are betas. They offer commitment.
/r/PurplePillDebate25/01/20 12:02 AM
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Sure dude. Couples who were stagnated, fighting, db etc got the spark and respect back in their relationships by one or both of them taking initiative to do better. For women they did so by cooling it with playing mommy-wife/gf and letting their so do his thing. Men by being more romantic and spontaneous. Trp can be effective for casual short term stuff though.
/r/PurplePillDebate25/01/20 12:00 AM
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“And act the right way” So when you work out your toxic traits it inspires her to do the same. Fascinating.
/r/PurplePillDebate24/01/20 11:49 PM
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The same is true in reverse of women and their grievances with men. The endless neglectful abs incompetent husband jokes. In the end it chalks up to compatibility and people taking the initiative to self reflective and sort out their toxicity before dating.
/r/PurplePillDebate24/01/20 11:46 PM
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What you listed are not normal parts of the relationship package and are only present when one or both parties are toxic and not taking steps to get better. Even basic couples where the guy isn’t rp or a natural alpha have relationships where none of those things are present. So as I said the only difference is availability. You have more to pick from if you’re more attractive and this typically means better quality picks as well.
/r/PurplePillDebate24/01/20 11:42 PM
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They have it better than the average woman.
/r/PurplePillDebate24/01/20 11:06 PM
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They are less proactive about their health so I’m not surprised.
/r/PurplePillDebate24/01/20 11:05 PM
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That will never be a possibility so it’s a moot point.
/r/PurplePillDebate24/01/20 11:01 PM
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They both typically get the same thing. It’s just super attractive men get it easier because their pool of options is larger.
/r/PurplePillDebate24/01/20 11:00 PM
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They’re saying there’s no financial motivation for these women to be having sex with the beta men. They’re college/university students so they’re not getting married, having kids, buying homes together etc. They’re just dating and screwing around.
/r/PurplePillDebate24/01/20 10:58 PM
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They’re not unless the woman is suffering from hybristophilia
/r/PurplePillDebate24/01/20 10:55 PM
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So are the other ones they didn’t choose to court. Sudan’s Boyle’s boyfriend is her first one ever and she didn’t get him until after she became rich and famous herself. Looking at the two of them and knowing her I don’t think she was single for that long because of being picky about men.
/r/PurplePillDebate24/01/20 06:26 PM
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All women do not have a plethora of options. Top women have a plethora. Average women have some and women at the bottom have none. My logic would and does work on other scenarios especially with kids. In the environment I grew up in whenever a child would be whining about wanting something another kid had an adult would always ask them “Do you actually want __ or do you only want it because you saw that ___ has it”. Even at work. The younger kids need more help with various things because they’r…
/r/PurplePillDebate24/01/20 06:20 PM
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Yeah she does. Contrary to popular belief males have standards as well. Before it even gets to the point of reciprocation or rejection what do you think informs males decisions to choose certain females over others?
/r/PurplePillDebate24/01/20 06:00 PM
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Yes they do. If they want a child they have to display that they’re a viable choice to attract male suitors.
/r/PurplePillDebate24/01/20 05:48 PM
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The men who provided incentives procreated and the ones who didn’t, did not procreate. Each party made their choice. Women are responsible for their choice to have or not to have a child and for convincing a man to provide sperm. Men are responsible for choosing to or not to have a child and convincing a woman to have one for him. Women aren’t responsible for men failing to secure a mate. The same is true in reverse.
/r/PurplePillDebate24/01/20 05:37 PM
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It’s not a privilege it’s just a choice. If you don’t want to be saddled with pregnancy and baby that will slow you down if there’s danger you don’t have one. It’s not the woman’s fault if a man didn’t provide and incentive to move past this line of thinking.
/r/PurplePillDebate24/01/20 05:18 PM
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As I said. They engaged and still do engage in lower risk behavior. Selectivity about when age who to get pregnant by is part of that
/r/PurplePillDebate24/01/20 05:13 PM
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How is it infantilizing? When you’re pregnant you’re heavier, slower, higher physical maintenance needs etc. You’re overall just not in your peak physical condition. Knowing this you’d need a fairly good reason to get pregnant.
/r/PurplePillDebate24/01/20 05:08 PM
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That ties into the convincing part. Incubating a baby in your body takes more time and effort than producing sperm. So you have to give the person a reason to expend that effort and energy. If the roles were reversed and it took 9 months to produce 1-4 sperm. Your body changed and you were in a weaker and more vulnerable state than normal when making the sperm, I’m sure you’d be more selective. You’d need a very good reason and a good assurance to make the sperm for/with someone. Ideally you’d w…
/r/PurplePillDebate24/01/20 05:03 PM
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Oh ok ok I read that as “make sure he’s not into” at first so I was very confused.
/r/PurplePillDebate24/01/20 04:44 PM
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It’s easier to get sperm than convince someone to carry your child for 9 months. That’s a big reason why.
/r/PurplePillDebate24/01/20 04:41 PM
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Flipping your argument again is he taking advantage of his date because he accepted this behavior before with his exes but then is trying to pressure her into settling for and acquiescing to him? He knows she doesn’t have a lot of options so he’s resentful of her and trying to pressure her. What Ted should want is to be treated well period. Irrespective of how the ex was treated. Most women are not like that. Women are people some are bad some are good. What most women do is date and figure out …
/r/PurplePillDebate24/01/20 04:39 PM
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No actions as well. Like volunteering, ethical lifestyle changes etc.
/r/PurplePillDebate24/01/20 11:17 AM
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Ted should base his decision on what he wants out of a relationship not some neurotic measuring competition with his dates ex. If you want to use this convoluted logic he has to convince his date to give him more since he accepted the same thing she’s offering in the past.
/r/PurplePillDebate24/01/20 05:50 AM
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Nope.
/r/PurplePillDebate24/01/20 05:48 AM
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They wouldn’t be rotten they’d be gone unless she saved them.
/r/PurplePillDebate24/01/20 12:35 AM
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That’s not gender exclusive. Some people are dealt a better hand in life than others. You either have to figure out how to get what you want or cope with not having what you want if the circumstances can’t change.
/r/PurplePillDebate23/01/20 11:27 PM
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Nope.
/r/PurplePillDebate23/01/20 11:26 PM
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I have I had to do it for a fitness test. What’s your point?
/r/PurplePillDebate23/01/20 11:19 PM
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Yeah and they photoshop themselves to fit the ideal female body type point still stands. Not really the most popular ones all have the same body type. Voluptuous or slim thick. Just take out the six foot and replace musculature with hour glass figure. I don’t see how men’s ideal is harder?
/r/PurplePillDebate23/01/20 11:05 PM
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