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Become as attractive as you can be then just live what most people consider a normal life. Presumably you already leave your house for work, bars, parties, clubs and/or concerts. Be attractive when you do these things and people will show interest in interacting with you. You won't have to do all the work that way, the other person will also be interested in interacting.
/r/PurplePillDebate16/07/25 01:06 PM
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If they find out sure. Or if they're even officially a couple. There's always the option of just keeping the relationship vague so he isn't technically cheating. (Even though practically, he still is ).
/r/PurplePillDebate16/07/25 11:59 AM
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More women might have casual sex. The same men who currently have casual sex would have more casual sex. The same men who don't currently have casual sex would continue to not have casual sex. Nothing else changes in this scenario.
/r/PurplePillDebate15/07/25 01:10 AM
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So long as monogamy is the norm there's always competition right? Anyone you're dating could date someone else instead of you. Thus if you want to date someone more desirable you'll have to be more desirable yourself. Ie, you'll have to be more desirable than his alternative options, you're competing with them (and yes you're also competing with the option of staying single) Even when you say "your standards are too high", yes because you can't compete for the kind of person you're looking for. …
/r/PurplePillDebate14/07/25 01:12 AM
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I think eventually unattractive people will learn that they may as well not try if a person they're interested in is too attractive, yeah. But, they do have to learn their place first.
/r/PurplePillDebate13/07/25 10:11 PM
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I haven't, but I also haven't seen any retarded men women would consider physically attractive, so I don't see how that's evidence of anything.
/r/PurplePillDebate13/07/25 03:34 PM
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If it’s about “getting her” sex doesn’t do that. I'm not so sure. Women tend to get super attached after sex. Might not be every woman, but I've seen that their behavior does change.
/r/PurplePillDebate13/07/25 03:13 PM
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It's literally all they talk about.
/r/PurplePillDebate13/07/25 04:13 AM
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Have you seen a mentally retarded supermodel? Sounds like you're just guessing.
/r/PurplePillDebate13/07/25 03:57 AM
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These types of questions all have the same answer. For any question about dating before you get to the bedroom, the answer is just that the dude isn't attractive.
/r/PurplePillDebate13/07/25 03:15 AM
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What's the difference really? Because everyone is kind sometimes, even the worst person you know. So if someone is being the descriptor "kind" then I would assume that is somehow a defining characteristic. I suspect however "kind" here is really just being used as a euphemism for something else like rich, competent or powerful in some way.
/r/PurplePillDebate11/07/25 12:04 AM
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Fine, I concede that it's strictly possible that you can go through dozens of sexual partners and none of them want to commit. That said, I find it unlikely that given the amazing sales pitch that is a vagina, that it is very difficult to negotiate a relationship. Not a great relationship necessarily, as I believe most relationships are pretty poor, but a relationship nonetheless.
/r/PurplePillDebate10/07/25 05:10 PM
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In regards to pump and dump, just get another man. It takes 2 seconds, I realize it's emotionally taxing, but it's not difficult. In regards to money, not just any amount of money is sufficient anymore, women can work, and not every man is gonna be rich. As for homeless women, it's not like I go around looking for homeless women, but even there it's not the layup you're claiming it is. If they have a phone, they have dating apps, they have options. I actually have experience being ghosted by a w…
/r/PurplePillDebate10/07/25 04:44 PM
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Sure, but I can fail at that. A woman can't really fail at getting a partner, she just rejects the ones available.
/r/PurplePillDebate10/07/25 04:29 PM
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You're a woman there was never a chance that you would be unable to find someone. Literally 0% chance no matter what you are like. This is not an apples to apples comparison.
/r/PurplePillDebate10/07/25 12:11 PM
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Men who care about body count probably didn't have the option to date in highschool, they weren't attractive/charming enough to get dates without first making some money in adulthood. They only care about body count because they're jealous. If they cared about body count for some other reason then they did start dating in highschool.
/r/PurplePillDebate09/07/25 06:50 PM
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You can't guarantee she won't cheat no matter what you do.
/r/PurplePillDebate09/07/25 01:24 PM
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Well, no because it's gonna be like 30 dudes getting with all 100 women, you could argue those 30 men are sharing the women. But, by your own logic it's the reverse.
/r/PurplePillDebate08/07/25 03:15 PM
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"bad guy" in that they're just as superficial as men are. Men are equally as superficial and that is definitely framed in a negative way. This is why women tend to say things that sound deep rather than just say they aren't attracted to the person.
/r/PurplePillDebate07/07/25 07:10 PM
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It doesn't work for 2 reasons. If there's a man you're inclined to sleep with on the first date you aren't gonna be able to help yourself. It's just gonna "feel right" and the entire strategy goes out the window. The man may just not have another choice. If this is not a dude with many leads he may just hang around because he's not gonna get sex anywhere else either. To be honest, I don't think most men really think about what they want from their dealings with women (apart from sex). I really t…
/r/PurplePillDebate01/07/25 08:10 PM
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100k isn't even impressive anymore. I'm gonna be real with you, I have a hard time believing there are any significant number of men out there who are falling easily into relationships, but the women refuse to date them seriously getting "used for sex" is a female complaint, not a male one.
/r/PurplePillDebate30/06/25 08:48 PM
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Before the first date if I feel like it. If you need to buy her a gift she doesn't want you though, so you're wasting your money.
/r/PurplePillDebate14/06/25 05:54 PM
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Out of curiosity, what are your more important things?
/r/PurplePillDebate14/06/25 05:35 PM
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Women can't say "no" to attractive men. Men and women are the same that way, it's the same reason mgtow is nonsense. The first time an attractive person smiles at them the whole movement falls apart.
/r/PurplePillDebate15/05/25 08:57 PM
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Would be up to the woman to discover what quality the other options are, they can always look. Men who complain about the friend zone generally don't have other women who are gonna talk to them, hence the fixation on a single woman they aren't even dating. They aren't going to cut off the relationship with their crush and then go on dates, they're just cutting off the relationship to replace it with no female attention for the foreseeable future.
/r/PurplePillDebate12/05/25 11:49 AM
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When they say they want nice men, they mean they want the men they're attracted to, to be nice. Generally in their speech, men they aren't attracted to don't count as men.
/r/PurplePillDebate12/05/25 11:36 AM
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No idea what the apparently prophesized dickpocalyps is supposed to be.
/r/PurplePillDebate11/05/25 12:42 AM
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Well, it's about life stages right? For some people, their age-mates might be ready for more serious relationships than they are ready for.
/r/PurplePillDebate07/05/25 11:31 AM
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If you can't get a job is that a problem? Ultimately that's a human being's choice not to hire you.
/r/PurplePillDebate06/05/25 04:35 PM
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Younger women are gonna be pickier in general, life lowers everyone's standards.
/r/PurplePillDebate06/05/25 04:23 PM
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I suspect that most women would feel neutral to negative about a compliment coming from me. If I thought women liked receiving compliments from me I'd give them out regularly, why not? it costs me nothing. However as I don't believe women would want them I won't give them.
/r/PurplePillDebate05/05/25 03:59 PM
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If someone isn't dating at all, improving their looks will fix that problem. Doing other things might also get them dates, but being good looking is the only thing I would put 100% guarantee on getting you dates. If someone isn't getting dates at all I guarantee they aren't good looking.
/r/PurplePillDebate04/05/25 08:05 PM
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I had a friend like this, he seemed fine until he didn't lol. 36 is still young and being single in that second half of life is going to feel a lot more isolating than it did in the first half.
/r/PurplePillDebate04/05/25 01:10 AM
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I'd argue looks are the most important trait for most facets of life. From a results based perspective they'll have a large impact on almost any endeavor that involves socializing with people in any way.
/r/PurplePillDebate04/05/25 12:48 AM
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All I'm hearing is we do judge books by their cover, which is fine, I just don't get why you think this is "reading people" and not just the well understood bias that attractive people are assumed to be better people in general.
/r/PurplePillDebate04/05/25 12:46 AM
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Right? You know the old saying, "always judge a book by its cover".
/r/PurplePillDebate03/05/25 11:51 PM
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Do you understand the difference between doctors and lawyers and basement nerds? The assumptions you make about them?
/r/PurplePillDebate26/10/24 06:18 PM
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But since you did... 99% of terper men claim they are fit and of a healthy body weight. Maybe half claim they are above middle income as well. They're lying? then why didn't you make that claim instead? Why claim women care most about status? I never said women care most about status, I said specifically women don't care about men as people. Women are allowed to care about more than one thing. You don't care about a man's achievements, you care that he's a doctor or a lawyer, or whatever, becaus…
/r/PurplePillDebate26/10/24 06:04 PM
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EVERY SINGLE WOMAN UNDER 30 who is a healthy weight can snag a 40-90 year old doctor, lawyer, investment banker, or politician. Because they have no access to them. They care about physical attractiveness even more than status.
/r/PurplePillDebate26/10/24 05:38 PM
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Women don't care about who men are, they care about status. They don't generally care about a man's accomplishments, they care about how those accomplishments reflect on them. Women don't care about the specifics of an individual man's interests, just that those interests imbue them with enough status. Generally y'all don't care what a man knows, you care that he has a degree, because a degree is a status symbol, you don't care what he does, you care that it makes money. In fact if an accomplish…
/r/PurplePillDebate26/10/24 05:23 PM
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In some cases I'm sure, however I think that in the majority of cases men that think the women who reject them would be interested if not for the torrent of attention she was receiving are gravely mistaken. It's an idea I see pretty often which I don't have much reason to believe.
/r/PurplePillDebate26/10/24 04:00 PM
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I don't know why people think this, all I've seen indicates that women are picky either way, ie it's not that they aren't interested in man A because she can talk to man B instead. It's that she's not interested in man A, end of story.
/r/PurplePillDebate26/10/24 02:17 PM
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They're trying to match with any woman not every woman, no matter what they do the vast majority of the women aren't going to match and of the ones that match most aren't actually going to exchange messages with them. If they want to use the app at all the only way to do it is to swipe on everyone. If anything the optimal strategy is to ignore women that are too attractive since they're either bots or just not going to match anyway.
/r/PurplePillDebate26/10/24 11:17 AM
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A very decent amount of women are interested in going to the gym, sports, gaming, music, outdoor activities like hiking. If "very decent" means anything other than an equal male/female ratio then not everyone will be able to find a partner with the same interests, not least of all because your perspective partner has to find you physically attractive, which already a big enough hurdle for many with even no standards at all. they want a "feminine" woman or some shit, then they say they don't want…
/r/PurplePillDebate25/10/24 12:59 PM
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What would or should stop me from switching to a partner that not only has me physically attracted but also shares my passions I believe the point was that most people aren't going to find someone who they are both physically attracted to and shares their passions, men and women generally have different interests, so it's likely to be the minority of couples that have shared hobbies. Statistically how many of those do you think end up as happy marriages rather than divorces? Do you know how many…
/r/PurplePillDebate25/10/24 11:39 AM
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I don't think the question was about what bets you'd take. If what you dislike is people commenting about your body, it's not a privilege that men actually have.
/r/PurplePillDebate24/10/24 06:49 PM
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It's not as if women don't say that to boys. I get why girls would feel differently about it, but the same thing does happen.
/r/PurplePillDebate24/10/24 06:39 PM
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Indeed. My contention was that there are at least some women that are displeased by having to contribute financially to a household (or at least they think they'd prefer if the man just provided for them). The complaints about it are fairly uncommon from what I've seen. Granted, everyone complains about their lives, it could be that they don't really mean it, but it is said by women that they'd prefer a provider.
/r/PurplePillDebate23/10/24 05:32 PM
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This isn't news to anybody, but framing it as men oppressing women is more exciting and thus will gather more support.
/r/PurplePillDebate23/10/24 12:52 PM
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I like my gender equality, if other people complain about it that's their issue. Could they not say the same to you? If other women don't like gender equality, then gender equality has some cost to women. I'm not saying it's good or bad, just a non-zero cost.
/r/PurplePillDebate23/10/24 10:49 AM
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Doubtful, women find too many men sexually repulsive for this to matter.
/r/PurplePillDebate23/10/24 09:37 AM
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There seems to be a fair number of women who want a provider and women in the work force has made that rarer. Gender equality doesn't seem to be exactly a 0-cost proposition for women either.
/r/PurplePillDebate22/10/24 11:20 PM
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Given they're both famous actors, they can both have as much sex as they want, with women that look however they want. They've both had as much sex as they want Jim Carrey just wanted, probably precisely because he wasn't used to having easy access to sex before his fame.
/r/PurplePillDebate22/10/24 01:27 PM
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If women liked sex the same way men did they'd be having casual sex way more than just once. I think most women would have a relationship with men they've had casual sex with, if that was on the table.
/r/PurplePillDebate22/10/24 12:22 PM
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Being a 10/10 man is the best thing you can be. You get all the respect of being a man, but people will cater to you as if you were a woman, it's the best of both worlds.
/r/PurplePillDebate22/10/24 11:24 AM
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Women like men more than they like sex. If you listen to how women talk about sex, it's really more that they like the person they're having sex with, not so much that they like sex.
/r/PurplePillDebate22/10/24 11:12 AM
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If you aren't into someone's looks you'll likely find everything else they do annoying or cringey. Agreed, this works in reverse too, if you are into their looks, everything they do will be interesting and clever. Which is why looks are basically all that matter.
/r/PurplePillDebate21/10/24 01:55 AM
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A gold digger doesn't really have to feign helplessness. A gold digger can totally keep working and still be a gold digger. All it takes to be a gold digger is being with a man only for his money.
/r/PurplePillDebate21/10/24 01:45 AM
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Ok, they're hypocrites. That by itself doesn't make them wrong. They can be hypocrites and the statement "Women only want assholes" can still be true.
/r/PurplePillDebate20/10/24 02:20 PM
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I mean invisible is the status quo for most men. In my experience women respond to attractive men the same way men respond to attractive women, if not more feverishly. The difference being that there are comparatively few men that would be considered attractive by heterosexual women. You could argue that men and women are equally visual, but the idea that women are less visual is complete nonsense.
/r/PurplePillDebate19/10/24 06:14 PM
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If it was only about finances, how come it would be considered fraud if I try to marry someone for tax advantages? I feel like this is the most common reason I've seen people give in support of marriage, so idk. More than abstractly the point of marriage, I suppose I really meant why do people want to get married. The majority of it (apart from the sentimental aspects) is really going to come down to finances. I don't think people are really worried about medical decisions when they get married.…
/r/PurplePillDebate19/10/24 04:43 PM
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Well, women like 50 shades. Granted the guy in 50 shades isn't a serial killer, so I guess it doesn't even matter.
/r/PurplePillDebate19/10/24 04:37 PM
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To be fair, Andrew Tate and FnF or whoever is what popular Redpill is now. It is definitely a shift for "Redpill" to be synonymous with "Conservative". But, people have a tendency to view everything under the left vs. right political lens these days, so I guess "Redpill" has to fall under one of those boxes.
/r/PurplePillDebate19/10/24 02:10 PM
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What exactly is the point of marriage? The point as I understand it is that the individual no longer has finances, but rather the married unit has finances. So if they get divorced, it only makes sense that the finances would get split to the individuals since they belonged to both of them and not just one of them. Between takes like this and also no-fault divorce as a concept, I don't really understand what people are getting out of marriage, except for the Instagram posts about the wedding.
/r/PurplePillDebate19/10/24 02:06 PM
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I notice that a lot of people on here don't actually disagree with what Redpillers say, just how they say it.
/r/PurplePillDebate19/10/24 01:55 PM
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I imagine most people aren't 100% sure how they would want to be treated in that situation, least of all a man trying to put himself in a woman's shoes. A virgin male in all likelihood would happily have sex with the with a woman who was obsessive about taking his virginity, so maybe that is how he wants to be treated. It's not a situation people are faced with very often, so they aren't likely to know what they're supposed to do.
/r/PurplePillDebate18/10/24 09:17 PM
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Even if the guy wasn't obsessive and creepy about it, he would still likely feel the need to express that being a virgin is sexy, even if he doesn't actually care. The assumption is that she wants to be validated, and the stock standard way of validating a female romantic partner is to say she's sexy. It's an elephant in the room that he can't really ignore without it being awkward. Being a virgin at 25 is going to involve some awkwardness one way or the other. Either he's going to act obsessive…
/r/PurplePillDebate18/10/24 08:09 PM
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The smaller the ask, the more likely someone is to help out. So in the scenarios you listed most people would help either I believe. That said both men and women are nicer to women. So women are more likely to get help, regardless of the gender of the helper. This is a feature of human behavior that's pretty well known.
/r/PurplePillDebate18/10/24 03:21 PM
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Charm is a social skill. I know people talk about it like they mean basic social skills, but that's because they are trying to insult you, not because that's what they actually think.
/r/PurplePillDebate17/10/24 09:44 PM
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Richer people are also more attractive, so how do you isolate "class" exactly. When you can do that you'll have a stronger point.
/r/PurplePillDebate17/10/24 09:11 PM
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Men don't claim that a poor personality is a barrier for women getting male attention, because it's not. It's also not a barrier for men getting female attention, it is pretty common to point at personality issues for men as the source of their sexual/romantic failure, presumably because that sounds better.
/r/PurplePillDebate15/10/24 02:05 PM
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"I can fix her" is just saying the woman is hot. It's the same reason women put up with toxic men, the difference is men aren't trying to pretend otherwise.
/r/PurplePillDebate15/10/24 12:44 PM
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It's the same reason. They want sexual attention from some men so they have no choice. However, they wish the men they don't want would just ignore them.
/r/PurplePillDebate14/10/24 10:55 PM
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I don't disagree with you, but I notice people feel the need to justify their choices in rejecting people and provide obviously bullshit justifications, which is what people end up arguing about. You can just say you think a man/woman is ugly, you don't need to come up with a story. You also don't need to say anything at all "I don't want you" is a perfectly valid answer.
/r/PurplePillDebate13/10/24 03:39 PM
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All women don't support access to abortion, so what makes you think all men would?
/r/PurplePillDebate12/10/24 01:10 AM
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With 100% certainty.
/r/PurplePillDebate12/10/24 01:08 AM
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Source? How do you know what "normal" men think or don't.
/r/PurplePillDebate10/10/24 08:15 PM
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I'm demonstrating that OP, who does not align with Redpill agrees with it
/r/PurplePillDebate08/10/24 01:38 PM
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What if the man is 25? May as well change the age of majority to 25 for women. As the Redpillers say they're basically children.
/r/PurplePillDebate08/10/24 11:18 AM
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I think the phrase "don't take things personally" is literally about how you take things rather than how they actually are. It may well be personal, but it will do you no good to worry about it, choose to believe they're having a bad day or whatever rather than worrying about it. At least that's the way it makes sense to me.
/r/PurplePillDebate07/10/24 04:29 PM
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The men that improve will do better than men who don't. Not all men are even going to try. I agree "high value man" as it is commonly used is a pretty pointless concept, but the better you are the better you'll do. Women's position degrades, thus men's relative position increases. Men's position gets better, women's position gets worse. I didn't think we were trying to compete with women.
/r/PurplePillDebate03/10/24 08:54 PM
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Hypergamy is always relative, if the average men starts self-improving and in the unrealistic scenario that every men succeeds in it, the only thing its going to do is to make the "succesful self-improved man" the new average If the scenario is unrealistic then your protest is irrelevant. It's not going to happen, so an improved man will not be the new average. I think the wall is a little overstated, but I think it's because people expect too much out of it. For the most part young men just are…
/r/PurplePillDebate03/10/24 08:42 PM
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Then nice isn't the default. It's the way people act when they want something. Others frequently say that if you're only nice when you want something then you're not really nice. Thus "niceness" is a paradox.
/r/PurplePillDebate03/10/24 04:07 PM
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Doing favors for someone that you aren't ok with doing just to get something out of them isn't nice, it's manipulation. The OP agreed with this statement. The word "nice" as I've seen it used really does mean either "I like this person" or "This person is a pushover". It's not really a useful description, as you said, so saying "be nice" is really pointless, but people do still feel the need to say it.
/r/PurplePillDebate03/10/24 04:04 PM
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You can infer women are shallow, because everyone is shallow. Men aren't any better they just find a wider range of women attractive. When people say they like XYZ-trait, they mean in people they are physically attracted to. Nobody cares what ugly people are like. If you're not at least decent looking nothing else about you matters.
/r/PurplePillDebate03/10/24 12:26 AM
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I think the heart of it is that women complain about the wrong things. They'll go on about how men don't treat them respectfully or whatever when the bigger problem is men aren't attractive. Some men seem to just take the complaints at face value and try to stand out by being kind and respectful and whatever else, and are then confused when women don't really care. I know "if you're attractive" is meant to be obviously implied but apparently not everyone got the memo. And honestly, I think most …
/r/PurplePillDebate02/10/24 11:02 PM
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“Why would I do that I don’t want golddiggers 😡 this is what’s wrong with women these days!” Honestly, if I heard a woman say that my expectation is that she'd also want me to either share the chores or pay someone else to do it, so not traditional by the stereotype we're using just a dependent who has sex with you.
/r/PurplePillDebate02/10/24 09:15 PM
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As with all women's romantic/sexual problems, this issue stems from the limited number of men they're attracted to. It matters little if most men are unselfish/mechanically good in bed, if she would never have sex with most of them.
/r/PurplePillDebate02/10/24 05:11 PM
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I find a problem with these discussions is that attractive people are held to a higher standard. Why does an attractive man need to be Casanova who gets with 8+ women? Chances are if you're a person who's lived life some people will like you. And if you're also attractive some of those people will also want to fuck you, it's not any deeper than that. I don't see how "not being unbearable" is game, that is basically the same thing as "just be yourself" unless you think most people are unbearable …
/r/PurplePillDebate01/10/24 12:32 PM
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This would imply that any woman could be happy with any partner, just because he wills it so. Her unhappiness could be stemming, for example from comparing her partner to those she sees on social media. Or from getting bored, or from feeling old. No matter what her partner does, it won't necessarily change how she feels.
/r/PurplePillDebate27/09/24 08:03 PM
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How another person feels is not something you control lol. Her being unhappy doesn't automatically imply there is something he can do about it.
/r/PurplePillDebate27/09/24 02:16 PM
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I don't know. I feel like everyone kinda knows this is how it works. If you aren't born with it, then you have to earn the privilege of women paying attention to you. This is definitely one of the things that moms and grandmas say alongside "just treat girls nicely" they also say that they'll like you when you're older and have a job or whatever. You can frame it as a good thing or a bad thing, I think either way of looking at it is valid.
/r/PurplePillDebate27/09/24 02:10 PM
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For purposes of getting laid, being boring would be worse. However for discussion we can just say both.
/r/PurplePillDebate22/09/24 09:03 PM
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Looks determine your league. Or how well you'll do in a lower league. If you judge these traits by the same standards you'll see looks are more effective. Yes, more attractive women demand more, so just being good looking may not be enough for them. But you could just get less attractive women. Which is basically what you'd have to do if you yourself were less attractive. To determine what's more important just ask yourself if you could be a 10/10 in one, but a 0/10 in the other which would you …
/r/PurplePillDebate22/09/24 03:19 PM
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Both matter. Looks matter more. I'm sure some good looking guys fumble sometimes by being socially uncalibrated morons. Everyone fumbles sometimes so this isn't even saying anything. Every good looking guy has someone that wants them however, no matter how little game they have.
/r/PurplePillDebate22/09/24 02:21 PM
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Yes, but that's how you determine what's more important. You can't really make that comparison if you don't look at extremes.
/r/PurplePillDebate22/09/24 02:11 PM
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Both these things exist on a spectrum, but in a vacuum, looks are more important. If you're just very good looking, but otherwise a boring, stone cold moron. Some woman is still going to decide she's in love with you and decide that your personality is good even if she doesn't know you. That's how people behave with good looking people. People just project whatever personality they like unto them. They'll potentially get sick of them maybe, but looks are enough to get you something. On the other…
/r/PurplePillDebate22/09/24 01:31 PM
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In a vacuum you can do alright with just good looks. You can't do alright with just a good personality. So they aren't both vital.
/r/PurplePillDebate22/09/24 12:35 PM
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I agree to some extent. If you're exceptionally good looking you're basically guaranteed to achieve more than most people ever will. Good looks aren't the only trait that will do that for you, but they are the only trait that we downplay so heavily.
/r/PurplePillDebate21/09/24 06:43 PM
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Guess it makes sense since income usually depends on other people and the most effective way to get other people to like and trust you is to be attractive.
/r/PurplePillDebate21/09/24 06:33 PM
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Based on the fact that everyone turns out fine? Cause they don't. Adam seems perfectly realistic to me. Caleb may be a little extreme, but dudes with 2 baby mommas, shacking up with (and cheating on) baby momma #3 do exist. Caleb is definitionally more popular with women than Adam, so why wouldn't more women want their sons to be like him than Adam.
/r/PurplePillDebate20/09/24 10:23 AM
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Well women do pick Caleb (to the extent he exists) as partners over the Adams of the world. So why not pick sons more similar to the partners that they chose. That seems to make sense to me.
/r/PurplePillDebate20/09/24 10:04 AM
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I mean why else create this fiction that a man who can date younger women is just going after them because they're easier to manipulate? Any man that successfully dates younger women could, without doubt, date women his own age. Truth is older women have lower standards across the board, unless by "younger" you mean literally children.
/r/PurplePillDebate19/09/24 09:51 PM
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I wasn't the one that introduced the concept "Imply don't tell" means give no indication that you don't have experience. If it was just that a lack of confidence that was a deal breaker then yeah, the advice here reduces to "be confident". However lack of experience in itself is also a deal breaker, so here we are also using displays of confidence to conceal the lack of experience. It's still deception. You're hiding the lack of experience. There's nothing stopping a man from acting confident an…
/r/PurplePillDebate19/09/24 09:36 PM
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I'm saying there's functionally no difference between lying and just withholding the information. She cares about the facts of whether or not you have experience, not just your confidence. Her not knowing about inexperience is just as important as if you're awkward about it.
/r/PurplePillDebate19/09/24 04:48 PM
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You're acting as if you have experience to get her to believe you have experience. Which is the same objective as lying about it. You can still be confident and tell her, but that would be a deal breaker.
/r/PurplePillDebate19/09/24 04:39 PM
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Can you blame a young, attractive woman for not wanting to date some weird older guy who is socially awkward and inexperienced? Sure, but he said "men who date younger women" not "men who would never have a chance with younger women anyway". The idea that a man is dating younger women because she is easier to manipulate is wishful thinking from jealous older women.
/r/PurplePillDebate19/09/24 04:26 PM
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On here the difference between Redpill and Bluepill is really vibes based. I don't think I see much disagreement on how things are, mostly the disagreement seems to be on how you should feel about them. There was a time, at least to my recollection where primary contention of Redpill was that what women look for in a partner are "Looks, money and status" and the Bluepill disagreement was that who you were or how you treated women was more important. These days I basically never see that everyone…
/r/PurplePillDebate17/09/24 04:01 PM
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The things we label as superficial are the most important things to people. Men and women alike. Nobody wants to sound vapid and shallow, so in discussion we tend to focus on things that sound a little more substantive. If a woman just said they wanted a tall, muscular man with money they'd sound vapid and thus they will focus on other things in discussion. The superficial things are the layer one things they want most, but to not sound stupid they instead focus on layer two things which are ult…
/r/PurplePillDebate16/09/24 12:28 AM
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It's not like anybody reads them anyway.
/r/PurplePillDebate14/09/24 03:59 PM
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It's more socially acceptable to punch a man in the face too. You're right, but it's not really about this topic in particular, we're just primed to be more considerate of women in general.
/r/PurplePillDebate12/09/24 05:16 AM
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I think she's just trying to keep the sub entertaining.
/r/PurplePillDebate10/09/24 05:46 PM
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I think most people can "read the room" fine. It's really not hard to tell if someone is interested in you. They'll show interest, it's really straightforward. I think some people out of desperation read too much into things. The idea that there are super subtle signs to look for comes from people's inability to accept that sometimes nobody is interested in you.
/r/PurplePillDebate10/09/24 04:21 PM
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If sex with her is conditioned on you giving her anything other than sex, then it is prostitution. Ngl if that's the metric for prostitution, I would say a lot of people are engaging in prostitution. Women do largely take into consideration a man's ability to pay for things before they'll sleep with him.
/r/PurplePillDebate09/09/24 08:38 PM
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I don't know why women talk about sex in such great detail. Men are definitely less descriptive. No idea what it is.
/r/PurplePillDebate09/09/24 08:31 PM
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Yes. Muscle gaining made women talk to me when they wouldn't before. The balance of the looks/social skills debate is that it's much harder to have conversations with disinterested parties. Women in general seemed far more interested in what I had to say once I lost some weight and put on some muscle. I've never been straight up skinny, but I have seen how women respond to men with a lot of muscle and they basically act like horny teenage boys, so yeah muscle makes a big difference.
/r/PurplePillDebate07/09/24 03:50 PM
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You can tell the Redpill is dead based on how many people have never heard the term "Cock Carousel".
/r/PurplePillDebate07/09/24 12:09 PM
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They can't "detect" misogyny in anybody. The imaginary misogyny detector just sounds less shallow than "I don't like the dude because he's ugly"
/r/PurplePillDebate07/09/24 12:04 PM
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feel like she wants me to one day came bursting through her door, and confront her boyfriend Jersey Shore style Lol, so she can help him crack your jaw?
/r/PurplePillDebate06/09/24 08:09 PM
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Or to keep themselves away from him. You're probably right. Going back to the same dude over and over is pretty common though honestly. I don't think it's that they like the toxic behavior they just otherwise like the guy and have trouble finding other guys that they otherwise like.
/r/PurplePillDebate06/09/24 05:09 PM
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Well these aren't really criminals we're talking about. We're more talking about the type of man women give a fourth chance after he cheated on her for the third time last month. They clearly can't help themselves.
/r/PurplePillDebate06/09/24 04:55 PM
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Women would break them out lol. It's just too hard for women to find men they like.
/r/PurplePillDebate06/09/24 04:28 PM
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"friendzone" doesn't include manipulation, that's just something some women do and have always done with their male friends.
/r/PurplePillDebate06/09/24 04:21 PM
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Because learning social skills is within one’s control while looks, status and wealth is less so. I don't think that's even true. I don't think social skills are more malleable than looks or wealth necessarily. There are limits to how much you can improve your money and wealth and they aren't totally in your control. But, if you aren't a social butterfly past a certain age, that's just never going to be you. Granted, you can still improve on it, just like with your looks and wealth you can only …
/r/PurplePillDebate06/09/24 12:48 AM
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Or a VR dating sim where you make your person and go on virtual dates with a random person. A thing that already happens at least occasionally is men will get online girlfriends over discord or whatever. These women will profess to love the dudes personality so much through their online interactions, but then once they actually see what the guy looks like they just stop talking to him if they don't find him attractive. This would be basically that scenario most of the time. Besides nobody is goi…
/r/PurplePillDebate05/09/24 09:34 PM
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The minute I started talking women lost interest I didn't say being attractive solves all your problems. But, being attractive does make people perceive your social skills as better, which is not to say they can't still be bad. If you're so awful at talking to people that for some reason they immediately become disinterested then sure you're still a bad spot. Though, I have no idea what you were saying to people to cause that reaction. You can go ask some people who've had glow ups what that exp…
/r/PurplePillDebate05/09/24 05:05 PM
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No, they wouldn't. Yes they would lol. At least as far as other people are concerned. Attractive people are viewed more positively in basically every way. If you're more attractive people are also going to judge you funnier, smarter and nicer. I don't know how large the impact is, but it's real.
/r/PurplePillDebate05/09/24 04:36 PM
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Yeah because the 10/10 with the shit personality is the one most people would marry given the chance. They are also going to be less likely to take you seriously (are harder to get). Most people are going to try for the 10/10, fail, then marry the 5/10 later.
/r/PurplePillDebate05/09/24 12:59 AM
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Both men and entertain people they wouldn't marry, but it's not that they are ignoring someone they would marry they just have not yet been able to get someone they would marry. If it takes too long they lower their standards.
/r/PurplePillDebate05/09/24 12:48 AM
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I'm not even disagreeing, but a partner's income isn't something I care about at all, so this doesn't land with me. I'd sooner just not have kids. But, maybe other men who care more about a partner's income or who are more dead set on having kids will relate more.
/r/PurplePillDebate04/09/24 10:44 PM
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Right so you agree that women are gold diggers, at least as "gold digger" is characterized by the OP and you're saying there's good reason for them to be.
/r/PurplePillDebate04/09/24 10:35 PM
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Is this meant as agreement? Cause all your doing is providing a justification, not actually saying women aren't gold diggers.
/r/PurplePillDebate04/09/24 10:22 PM
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Not only do men frequently deny the struggles women have with all of those things Is it a good thing when men do it?
/r/PurplePillDebate04/09/24 04:15 PM
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"Swamp water" has a negative rather than neutral connotation. You can believe I'm reading too much into that, but I disagree, contempt is how I read it and I believe I'm correct.
/r/PurplePillDebate04/09/24 04:08 PM
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Finding a needle in a haystack", "drowning in a swamp of bad options", etc. Yep. That's why I don't understand the "treat women like people" thing. The default way to view men, as a woman, is with contempt, so what is being treated as a person supposed to mean?
/r/PurplePillDebate04/09/24 12:56 PM
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How many times do women need to tell you that "respect and kindness" aren't good enough? Does any of this woman respecting that you're doing involve actually listening to them?
/r/PurplePillDebate03/09/24 05:08 PM
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I think I agree with your general point, but I think your choice of words was a little poor. Men that don't have girlfriends or ready access to sex probably aren't treating women poorly, primarily because they aren't interacting with women all that much. I think they probably have more hostile attitudes towards women, but I doubt they are actually mistreating women in any material way.
/r/PurplePillDebate03/09/24 02:07 AM
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This does get spoken about in mainstream media occasionally, it just wouldn't be framed the way you would. They would sooner frame it as a surplus of inadequate men, rather than saying the men face the challenge of rejection. And to be fair, women's choice can't be "wrong", they are the one's deciding what is adequate. So if you face a lot of rejection, it is that you are inadequate in some way that matters. It is what it is.
/r/PurplePillDebate02/09/24 09:38 PM
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Who wants to be companions with somebody who treat you like dog shit? Plenty of women according to women.
/r/PurplePillDebate02/09/24 02:22 PM
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🧢🧢🧢
/r/PurplePillDebate02/09/24 07:01 AM
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Sure, I don't know if it's common for people to openly hold that position though. I know nobody has a problem saying it when it comes to gender however.
/r/PurplePillDebate30/08/24 07:40 PM
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You think this based on what exactly?
/r/PurplePillDebate30/08/24 05:08 PM
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The fear of black people attacking white people isn't based on reality though. No less based on reality than the other things you listed.
/r/PurplePillDebate30/08/24 04:58 PM
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Please don't tell me you're about to say it's racist for black people to be cautious about cops. That's the question I was asking you. Because when I said "would be identified as racist", I was referring to saying "I am afraid of black people, but not all black people". I think most people would agree that it's racist, thus it should be fairly obvious that it's sexist to say it about men.
/r/PurplePillDebate30/08/24 04:28 PM
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Would you identify that as racism?
/r/PurplePillDebate30/08/24 04:00 PM
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Yes. Do you disagree?
/r/PurplePillDebate30/08/24 03:52 PM
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Use race instead of gender and what you're saying wouldn't be any less true, but would still be identified as racist.
/r/PurplePillDebate30/08/24 02:46 PM
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You don't have an obligation. And I'd argue getting involved physically in a situation like this runs the risk of making the situation worse, even getting the woman you're trying to defend hurt by escalating the situation. That said, you're going to be judged negatively if you don't get involved. There will be lots of "What kind of man is that?", "These men are such bitches.", "This is why women choose the bear", etc. Which is not to say you're obligated to do anything, but other people, both me…
/r/PurplePillDebate29/08/24 01:12 PM
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This is an equitable compromise.
/r/PurplePillDebate28/08/24 04:52 PM
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What's the difference between these two things in your mind? Is it that checking the phone is screening for potential cheating while the STD/Paternity tests are for cheating already in progress?
/r/PurplePillDebate28/08/24 04:41 PM
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Where's the choice they didn't make? They didn't have to get married or have the kid. That's all on them.
/r/PurplePillDebate25/08/24 08:13 PM
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Lol, if she can go make 180k she is welcome to it, she doesn't have to be a mother. But, chances are she can't make 180k, so the point is moot isn't it? If it's not worth being a mother for less than 180k in compensation then don't. Women choose to do it for free because that's what they want to do.
/r/PurplePillDebate25/08/24 08:04 PM
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Same thing he's doing while she's alive. We don't actually live in a world where most women are staying at home moms. If we did live in such a world, you still wouldn't have a point because she eats and sleeps for free, that's compensation enough.
/r/PurplePillDebate25/08/24 07:58 PM
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I'll take that "the woman is solely responsible for the birth of the child", I can see how you get that. But since women are to be paid for raising the child, it stands to reason that the child is her responsibility and not the man's, otherwise what is he paying for?
/r/PurplePillDebate25/08/24 07:51 PM
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So the woman has sole responsibility for raising the child?
/r/PurplePillDebate25/08/24 07:37 PM
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Men definitely make money, at least in part, to attract women. It's not a secret that women like men with money.
/r/PurplePillDebate25/08/24 07:25 PM
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That old money COULD have been earned through hard work and merit. While the poor economic situation the poor kid is born into COULD be a result of poor decisions and laziness. Not the kids fault, but he's going to have to suffer the consequences. Also hard work is secondary to just being born with more opportunities, you'll find this cycle goes back pretty far for most people. If you are wealthy more often than not so are your parents. Doesn't make sense for poor men to subsidize women who were…
/r/PurplePillDebate25/08/24 06:12 PM
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Plenty of women are born rich. Plenty of men are born poor. If you're looking for equality representations need to be paid to people who were born to poor parents because the gap there is far larger than the gap between men and women.
/r/PurplePillDebate25/08/24 05:09 PM
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They do approach men. They just don't find most men attractive so why would most men ever get approached?
/r/PurplePillDebate25/08/24 03:59 PM
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This doesn’t seem to square with the commonality of the immediate “ I have a boyfriend” shut down. Yeah, but that's more often than not a lie. She ain't got no boyfriend lol.
/r/PurplePillDebate25/08/24 03:55 PM
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I've heard a few womanizers/Chad types say that that married women tend to be more receptive than single women. I don't know how true it is since I have it second hand, but I've heard more than once, so I don't think it's completely without merit. I think it's worth noting that they're running into these women out without their partners. Not saying that a woman always needs to be with her partner, but that they feel the need to go out and have fun without their partner increases the odds that th…
/r/PurplePillDebate25/08/24 03:52 PM
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Don't care. I don't want the government to have access to my money, but they take it anyway. If they wanted my DNA they'd make me give it to them when I started elementary school.
/r/PurplePillDebate24/08/24 10:59 PM
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How's "opt-out" instead of "mandatory" then.
/r/PurplePillDebate24/08/24 10:15 PM
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Brain Drain is just a term for loss of skilled labor. It doesn't mean they're all geniuses. Just means the educated people leave.
/r/PurplePillDebate23/08/24 05:51 PM
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It depends on numbers. If a lot of men decide to permanently leave the county for women, then yes, it'll have a significant impact. If it's just a few it doesn't matter. The 400k silicon valley guy can be replaced, in the grand scheme of things it's not such a big deal. If half of silicon valley decides to leave on the other hand, then yeah, there's a problem. I don't think enough people are going to relocate simply because relocation is hard and no matter where in the world you go, you're proba…
/r/PurplePillDebate23/08/24 05:48 PM
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I'm not 100% sure that's the case. I don't think they mean anything by "treating her like a regular person" at all, I think it's just something to say.
/r/PurplePillDebate23/08/24 11:39 AM
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This conversation has been had a million times on the internet already. If he had instead joined some woman's hobby like crocheting or whatever and still has no success, the response would be that he shouldn't be doing it just to meet women and he should do something he is passionate about.
/r/PurplePillDebate22/08/24 01:06 AM
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Women hold every requirement more strongly than men, this isn't different from anything else. Women can afford to be pickier.
/r/PurplePillDebate21/08/24 10:23 PM
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They don't approach because they've been asked not to. I think women are fine with it either way, so it's not their problem.
/r/PurplePillDebate21/08/24 08:53 PM
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People do it all the time, so I don't know what you're on about.
/r/PurplePillDebate20/08/24 11:23 PM
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Nobody wants to be the last single friend, so they take what's available eventually. Or in the case of women they may get knocked up and need an extra wallet and pair of hands, so they just take someone willing to provide that.
/r/PurplePillDebate20/08/24 09:47 PM
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Women don't need to like men to marry them. It's the same vice versa tbh.
/r/PurplePillDebate20/08/24 09:20 PM
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It's definitely easier to just sit on your phone and get a woman to come over. It's the same reason people use door dash or whatever to get food. You can literally do it while watching TV.
/r/PurplePillDebate20/08/24 08:57 PM
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Might help to give an example, there's no way to engage with what you're saying except to say "No, I disagree" or "Yes, I agree". If you had for example said "The way many Redpillers talk about virginity has undertones of pedophilia and they deflect when challenged on it", then you could talk about that. But if you just say "Redpillers deflect" what exactly am I supposed to say to that?
/r/PurplePillDebate20/08/24 05:39 PM
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Might help to be more specific chief
/r/PurplePillDebate20/08/24 05:00 PM
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Men are just less judgemental.
/r/PurplePillDebate20/08/24 04:51 PM
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It's a couple of things, but it's their physical appearance more than anything else. Being tall, nice facial features and good fitness. Other things matter, but for the purposes of instances like this where men feel like there's no method that they are "allowed" to use for approaching women it's because of how they look. Looks are the first filter and are thus the source of any "step 1" problems such as this.
/r/PurplePillDebate19/08/24 11:00 PM
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That's light work if you really wanted lol. Is finding a partner supposed to be easy? 70 dates really would not be that much of a challenge as a woman, unless she's ugly in which case she's just gotta suck it up and take what she gets like the men do.
/r/PurplePillDebate19/08/24 08:38 PM
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You think a match is going to wait a year to go on a date with you? Who cares? They can get another match in literal minutes. They don't give a fuck if #11 in their ranked choice of dates didn't wait around.
/r/PurplePillDebate19/08/24 08:27 PM
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You can be upfront, if she finds you attractive. You can be friends first, if she finds you attractive. There are complaints about both approaches because too often they are done by men she doesn't find attractive. The heart of most such complaints are that she doesn't find the man attractive.
/r/PurplePillDebate19/08/24 05:08 PM
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It's just rule 1 and 2, but it's impolite to say it. If you're unattractive you aren't supposed to try and get a partner. You have to at least identify where your league is.
/r/PurplePillDebate19/08/24 04:50 PM
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Pretty sure it's covert Redpill support lol. The posts seemed designed to paint women in the most negative light possible and the saying "I'm a woman and I agree"
/r/PurplePillDebate19/08/24 01:11 PM
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You can lose fat a lot faster than you can gain muscle, so depending on how much fat they have to lose, there's nothing they can do about it.
/r/PurplePillDebate19/08/24 12:41 PM
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Are they all happy now? Were they less happy then?
/r/PurplePillDebate18/08/24 08:44 PM
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Yeah that is obvious, but as someone who's had a similar experience, I think the part that fucks you up, especially during your formative years is that it gets beaten into you by just about everyone that the problem is that you have a bad personality. It's one of the few things that I think does need therapy because when you grow up unattractive you aren't just told you're unattractive, you're told you're bad as a person.
/r/PurplePillDebate16/08/24 01:42 PM
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Sure, cause that's what women want to do.
/r/PurplePillDebate15/08/24 05:42 PM
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Except a woman with a dwindling egg count. If a teenage girl cares enough about her social image to care if she has a date to a dance, she'd definitely be mortified to be on a date with a fair number of her schoolmates.
/r/PurplePillDebate15/08/24 04:17 PM
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More desperate*
/r/PurplePillDebate15/08/24 01:42 PM
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Lol, are you trying to make women look as bad as possible? Anyway I'm with you, I don't expect anything from women from sex, and this is what I think women are like. The "mommy bang maid" thing is just something most of them are making up because they don't plan on doing anything anyway. Thank you for validating my thoughts.
/r/PurplePillDebate15/08/24 12:06 PM
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Is sex the only thing involved in a relationship? If they just wanted to keep having sex there would be no conflict.
/r/PurplePillDebate15/08/24 11:54 AM
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Doesnt mean there arent delusional women out there that think it does. Lol, well there you go. That's who they're saying isn't entitled to relationships.
/r/PurplePillDebate15/08/24 11:52 AM
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Could be, but it's not. Men are also aware of this complaint and thus are more likely to end up asking too many questions like it's an interrogation than not to ask any questions.
/r/PurplePillDebate14/08/24 06:48 PM
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The answer to the question is contained within. If it's a common complaint that men on dates don't ask questions, then whatever trait men who are getting these dates share in common may be related to them not asking questions. Given men are also aware of this complaint most are going to lean towards asking too many questions rather than too few. So there might be some trait being selected for that is correlated with "not asking questions".
/r/PurplePillDebate14/08/24 02:07 PM
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I'll do you one better. Is there a reason guys that don't ask questions seem to be getting so many dates?
/r/PurplePillDebate14/08/24 01:58 PM
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Nah the equivalent for women is the exact same thing. You couldn't tell a woman she's "wife material", but you wouldn't hook up with her without her having an aneurysm and crying that you don't find her attractive. They understand exactly.
/r/PurplePillDebate14/08/24 12:18 PM
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Try telling a woman she’s marriage material but not hookup material. She’ll immediately understand the problem. Yep. They only pretend to be stupid when it's convenient for them.
/r/PurplePillDebate14/08/24 12:09 PM
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unless it was to let a guy down gently. This exactly where it comes from, the women who say it don't actually mean it. The man has probably been nice to them in the past or they're friends and "I don't find you attractive" doesn't sound good to most people since personality is supposed to be more important.
/r/PurplePillDebate13/08/24 08:34 PM
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Your definitions here would imply that you'd also hookup with the "husband material" guy. Typically this is not the case, the woman saying this would usually never hookup with the "husband material" guy. More often than not she wouldn't be interested in a relationship with him honestly. My interpretation of "husband material" has always been "You have the traits the social script says are desirable in a partner, but I do not find you attractive, but saying why I don't find you attractive would e…
/r/PurplePillDebate13/08/24 08:24 PM
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I don't know where I ever disagreed with that. What I said was the lie is necessarily obvious.
/r/PurplePillDebate12/08/24 09:26 AM
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If they don't want to date you, no lie is going to convince them otherwise. The lie is because you don't want to date them, but you want sex with them, but if you say that flat out they'll feel like a whore, so you keep it vague. Usually the "lie" is just that you treat them kindly. When they ask about the future some men just use obvious euphemisms like "I'm not sure", "Let's see how it goes", "Let's not label it", etc. I think it's pretty obvious what these things mean, but these are the lies …
/r/PurplePillDebate12/08/24 09:20 AM
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Yes, and women consume them. If women didn't like them, they would stop writing them.
/r/PurplePillDebate12/08/24 09:07 AM
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are you saying "All men KNOW when women use them for their money, thus all women KNOW that men are using them for sex"? The word "All" is completely unnecessary here. Often everyone around them knows, because it's obvious to everyone else, except the man because he's choosing to ignore it. Your theory, that people KNOW they aren't going to get what they want, know they're being lied to, but just kind of... go along with it for some reason seems less likely than them believing it because... y'kno…
/r/PurplePillDebate12/08/24 09:06 AM
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Over 80% of the movie’s viewers are female and it’s doing amazing at the box office. These fucking movies, the notebook, that bullshit. Not the bullshit where the nerd knocks out a bully or whatever. They're are 2 different types of movies. These types of romance movies are appealing to women's fantasies. These aren't even the nice guy movies. The nice guy movies appeal to men, I agree. The super hot, super successful guy swooping in to do over the top romantic gestures for some, women because s…
/r/PurplePillDebate12/08/24 08:59 AM
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They aren't dumb. How do these things work out in your mind? If you're dating someone your lives tend to get integrated. Someone who's not doing that is obviously not interested in dating you. Women continue to date guys who effectively never want to do anything but have sex and then act flabbergasted when he never wants anything but sex. This level of clownery is easily recognized when men do it, emptying their wallet for women who obviously don't want them. Just afford women the same amount of…
/r/PurplePillDebate12/08/24 08:52 AM
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You're talking about a different type of movie. The romance movies that women like, those movies.
/r/PurplePillDebate12/08/24 08:46 AM
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It's the same reason as all the other questions. They would like the fantastical romantic gestures if they were coming from the person on the screen/in their heads. Not from you, you run of the mill nobody.
/r/PurplePillDebate12/08/24 02:43 AM
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Who is it appealing to?
/r/PurplePillDebate12/08/24 02:40 AM
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can't wrap their heads around men genuinely liking the women they fuck. You don't have to entertain a relationship with someone just because you like them. Relationships are primarily about sex, otherwise you'd just enter them with people of the same sex. Since you likely know and thus like more people of the same sex.
/r/PurplePillDebate11/08/24 05:44 PM
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Having sex with someone who you like that doesn’t like you back is hurtful. Lol, to you maybe.
/r/PurplePillDebate11/08/24 05:36 PM
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What I have noticed is that there is a segment of women who don't really want to offer anything other than sex. They should be loved for their innate human value and thus shouldn't really have to do anything. To be fair to them it's a stupid idea that a lot of people are raised on despite it not being how anything works in reality. The "I'm such a nice guy" people have the same dysfunction. As for men lying for sex. In my experience women know exactly what's going on in those situations and they…
/r/PurplePillDebate11/08/24 05:32 PM
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*My point is this shit ain't rocket science. It's like the basics you should have learned from your father Was that your point? Because you were going on about how there are more important things to worry about. Which to me sounds like you should be worrying about things that aren't dating.
/r/PurplePillDebate09/08/24 04:30 PM
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Like how you're gonna prepare for this recession so that you can provide a home for a woman you're gonna date. This seems an overly pretentious kind of thinking. Common among the guys who struggle are indications that they do exactly what they need to do (as much as anyone can) to prepare for financial uncertainty. They have decent jobs and they don't waste a lot of money (because they're lame nerds). If anything being so cautious is part of the reason they struggle with women. If anything they …
/r/PurplePillDebate09/08/24 04:18 PM
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It's more of a maturity and bravery problem for this demographic Sounds like it's a problem then, and a problem that more directly impacts a person than any of the ones you listed. It makes sense to me that a person would be more worried about that than something like the abstract threat of a recession which they'll likely face 10 times in their life no matter what.
/r/PurplePillDebate09/08/24 02:59 PM
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None of the problems you've listed are personal problems. Those are all abstract distant problems that no individual can do anything about. I'm not even saying you're wrong, but if those are the problems you're listing them I'm not super convinced you have any real problems either. Like what are you going to do tomorrow if the climate issues magically get cleared up? The most likely answer is the same thing you're doing today. Which doesn't sound like this is really your problem.
/r/PurplePillDebate09/08/24 02:04 PM
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You're going to have to be more specific on what you mean by "respect". I think most men respect women just as much as women respect men.
/r/PurplePillDebate07/08/24 05:07 PM
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I honestly don't think it means anything. It's just a thing to say.
/r/PurplePillDebate07/08/24 05:03 PM
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Honestly, I don't see very many teenagers working jobs. When I was in highschool I worked jobs over the summer, but outside of summer jobs I didn't know anyone who had a part time job, it just wasn't a thing. I've mostly seen it on TV if I'm being honest, I've never known any highschool aged people who had part time jobs (outside of summer break, where they usually worked full time).
/r/PurplePillDebate07/08/24 02:22 PM
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I cannot comprehend people needing to “earn” my respect in order to be treated with kindness and compassion I don't believe you ngl.
/r/PurplePillDebate07/08/24 10:30 AM
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I think the key takeaway is that whether or not you respect women is irrelevant to getting women to fuck you. Not that "it's good to disrespect women".
/r/PurplePillDebate05/08/24 09:49 PM
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If she's not ugly and not embarrassing, yeah. I figure most women who meet what you describe (19 - 21 BMI) could get into a relationship with a decently wealthy guy, provided she has a way to meet one. Still she could be ugly and socially too ungraceful to bring around family, so it's still not all "healthy" women.
/r/PurplePillDebate05/08/24 08:25 PM
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I always get the feeling that a lot of women who worked hard on their career/education were doing so because part of them thought that was how they would find a wealthy man that would take care of them. When I hear them talk about their work in their late 20s/ early 30s it really does seem like all they really wanted was a rich man.
/r/PurplePillDebate05/08/24 12:05 AM
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If they do, then the premise we're discussing here must be wrong.
/r/PurplePillDebate04/08/24 05:19 PM
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Well if you're already a stepmom, that doesn't sound very immediate. Plus, even if it is the case that expectations are ultimately the same or even higher for women. The stigma is going to stick more readily to single moms because everyone already expects them, as women, to want a man's money. Find me the single dad's saying that the women they date have to pay for babysitters. The single mom association with gold digging is out there and public. Even if it's the same for single dads that image …
/r/PurplePillDebate04/08/24 04:56 PM
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Apparently it is "somewhat attractive", according to the OP.
/r/PurplePillDebate04/08/24 01:58 PM
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That may well be true. But, that's part of the reason why being a single dad doesn't carry the same stigma, and is thus not as much of a turn off.
/r/PurplePillDebate04/08/24 01:44 PM
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All the provided answers are true. But, I'm going to be the negative Nancy and point out that single dads don't have a reputation of dating with the express purpose of finding someone to financially support them and their children. There are single mothers who wouldn't look twice at certain men if they didn't have children to feed and because it is well understood that money is something women value highly in their choice of mate, it's easy for the association between "single mom" and "gold digg…
/r/PurplePillDebate04/08/24 01:35 PM
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And it was men that called you creepy and not other women. In my experience at least, "creepy" is not really a word men use. I feel like men would probably reach for another word if anything.
/r/PurplePillDebate04/08/24 05:21 AM
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Where in what you described are you actually called creepy though.
/r/PurplePillDebate04/08/24 05:18 AM
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What's the context then?
/r/PurplePillDebate04/08/24 05:15 AM
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Do you really believe a guy who says" Oh bro I could totally go talk to that girl and ask her out but we live in a #metoo era so I can't do that or she will call the cops on me I don't know if they'll call the cops on me, but I was more readily willing to approach women when I was younger, because people in general were less sensitive. People say it's only the terminally online that are overly sensitive, but I disagree, it's a lot of people that are easily upset. At the end of the day though, it…
/r/PurplePillDebate03/08/24 11:22 PM
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It really depends where you go. I notice when I go out in some parts of town there are really only hot couples. In some parts there is more variety. To give concrete examples when I go out in Manhattan the hot people are paired up and the unattractive people are by themselves. In Queens there's more variety. I even see attractive women with unattractive men sometimes.
/r/PurplePillDebate03/08/24 07:05 PM
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Let's hear some good arguments against this view. What argument do you want except "that's not true"? You haven't provided any reason you think that's true. It almost sounds like this is what you want to be true.
/r/PurplePillDebate03/08/24 02:42 PM
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Literally advocating to a violent revolution against capitalism. Depending on the circles they run in this isn't unpopular at all. There's a thriving online community of people who are anti-capitalist (they will write poetry for the commune). And I mean their source for knowledge isn't any more sophisticated than tik tok. People don't read, honestly nobody has a fucking clue what Marx wrote. Just what "DownWithBootLickers_420" says about it.
/r/PurplePillDebate02/08/24 09:08 PM
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I ain't never been with a woman that didn't make the first move ngl. When I make the first move they aren't interested.
/r/PurplePillDebate02/08/24 08:56 PM
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I mean that's just how people are isn't it? Nobody likes to express controversial opinions. If they even have opinions and aren't just doing their best parrot impression.
/r/PurplePillDebate02/08/24 08:52 PM
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Most of the hot girls I knew from highschool are still hot. But, what I find weird is the ones that were super skinny blew up pretty much as soon as they went to college. Makes me wonder if their parents were starving them.
/r/PurplePillDebate02/08/24 08:30 PM
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Well an Olympic swimmer's routine isn't something a normal person can do. It's literally just eat, sleep and train. That and of course they're just born better.
/r/PurplePillDebate02/08/24 08:24 PM
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Getting a woman to pay you any mind is a challenge for most. Even the more successful amongst us can hit dry spells where there's just none biting.
/r/PurplePillDebate01/08/24 07:11 PM
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Because they want sex. Really is all there is to it. Like, if you want sex without marriage or commitment, why try to convince the virgin or very low-count woman? Because they'd have to find such a woman and then get her to give them attention, which is not necessarily something that happens often. They already have your attention, so they'll work with what they have.
/r/PurplePillDebate01/08/24 07:08 PM
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What are your thoughts on this situation? Shouldn't she be reimbursed? Why? I've paid for many dates that didn't work out nobody has ever discussed reimbursement.
/r/PurplePillDebate31/07/24 03:54 PM
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Based on income if she makes more, evenly if she makes less.
/r/PurplePillDebate30/07/24 11:06 PM
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You'll know because women have limited ability to keep their mouths shut. Sooner or later she is gonna mention it.
/r/PurplePillDebate30/07/24 01:16 PM
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Would they feel "rewarded" if women just sat on their dicks for a few seconds and then got dressed? Yes, duh. I feel like you already know that. Offer one of your acquaintances to sit on their dick for a few seconds and leave, see if they're unenthusiastic.
/r/PurplePillDebate30/07/24 12:07 PM
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What if you married a woman 2 years your senior and the same thing happened? Do we accept that most women find most men unattractive as fact or nah?
/r/PurplePillDebate30/07/24 11:36 AM
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You don't need the celebrity examples. There are plenty of poor men known to have kids they aren't taking care of and women who willingly choose to be baby momma #3. Once the tingles hit a man can do anything. If the tingles don't hit them nothing else will matter.
/r/PurplePillDebate30/07/24 11:21 AM
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I wish to be punished in this manner. Please proceed with the punishment.
/r/PurplePillDebate29/07/24 04:33 PM
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Might be self, fulfilling. I get the impression that a lot of people keep their discussions surface level precisely because they've come to expect that's what people want out of interactions. Everyone just wants to fit in.
/r/PurplePillDebate29/07/24 01:55 PM
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When I hear women talk to each other about men they discuss looks and money. That's it.
/r/PurplePillDebate29/07/24 05:35 AM
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plenty of obese women will have np He's using the word "deserve" which is one of those stupid meaningless words. People get what they get what anyone thinks they deserve is irrelevant.
/r/PurplePillDebate28/07/24 04:56 PM
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I agree with you. I'll go a step further and say women already approach men. Men who think they don't are unattractive. It's already reality.
/r/PurplePillDebate28/07/24 02:00 PM
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Then the older man can work at becoming a "silver fox" you're not really saying anything. If you're not attractive and you have money you can anticipate women are only going to want you for your money. Yay or nay?
/r/PurplePillDebate28/07/24 01:31 PM
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And I'm sure you've seen many that haven't.
/r/PurplePillDebate28/07/24 01:29 PM
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What if he's 20 and ugly, but has money, safe to say he shouldn't expect anything else right?
/r/PurplePillDebate28/07/24 01:23 PM
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Ok, so it sounds like there's lots of categories of men that shouldn't expect anything else. If they're fat or hideous, then they also shouldn't expect anything else. And again, most women say they find most men unattractive, so it's safe to assume that if you pick a woman at random she's not attracted to you, thus if you have money a woman is more likely than not only with you for your money. Sounds like having money is the problem and not being old.
/r/PurplePillDebate28/07/24 01:11 PM
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But if the dude has nothing that will endear/appeal to women, especially the demographic he is targeting, except money, what else can you expect? Well why should any man expect anything else? Seems to be the only difference between the young man and the old man is you expect the old man to have money. This horse has been beaten to death but, most women don't find most men attractive. If you're a man and you have money, by this same reasoning, it would be a safe bet to say that any woman you're w…
/r/PurplePillDebate28/07/24 12:55 PM
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Men care about what women think more than they care about what other men think. I don't know if it works differently for women, but men largely can't do anything about the bad behavior of men, because as long as they're getting attention from women, men don't give a shit. Women are really the ones with social power.
/r/PurplePillDebate28/07/24 02:05 AM
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You can try making an old profile as an ugly obese woman and see how long it takes you to get dick offers (it won't take long). I guess you can argue that you said "date", and not "fuck", but then those women have the same problem other women have of not knowing who's genuine.
/r/PurplePillDebate27/07/24 02:44 PM
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The ratios are also not perfectly equal there are more young men than young women.
/r/PurplePillDebate27/07/24 02:34 PM
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Many women do enjoy casual sex, so they have casual sex. Most don't. Unless what you're saying is happening is that men are ignoring the ones that want casual sex in favor of deceiving women that don't want casual sex.
/r/PurplePillDebate26/07/24 09:50 PM
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Precisely
/r/PurplePillDebate26/07/24 08:27 PM
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While I think this is true. I think overestimating calorie output is an often overlooked culprit. You can't directly measure it and people assume it's higher than it is.
/r/PurplePillDebate26/07/24 07:30 PM
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I mean, the fact that this thread even exists is evidence women don't enjoy casual sex that much. I think it's fairly obvious to say men lead women on for sex precisely because most of them don't want sex without at least the promise of a relationship. If this weren't the case, then there'd be no conflict.
/r/PurplePillDebate26/07/24 05:35 PM
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You were asking a question friend. You asked why men lie about wanting an LTR instead of being straight up. The answer is the hypothetical man from this question does it because it works and he wouldn't get the sex otherwise. Hence your position that "this is why 1/6 women are celibate" is completely irrelevant to such a man because if he didn't lie he wouldn't get the sex anyway. So no, telling the truth isn't "better", better would imply a better result which telling the truth doesn't necessar…
/r/PurplePillDebate26/07/24 05:25 PM
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Ok. Your hypothetical man lied to get sex, now he got it. If he didn't lie he wouldn't get it. It's not a threat to say women won't have sex with him because he lied, because literally the opposite is true.
/r/PurplePillDebate26/07/24 05:06 PM
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More like to the end of the night.
/r/PurplePillDebate26/07/24 05:02 PM
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Lol, are you following the context or are you just venting? You ask why men lie, I say "to get sex", you then say "well that's why women won't have sex". Well if I didn't lie I wouldn't get the sex. So what exactly is the penalty there. By lying I get sex, by not lying I don't get sex like what exactly am I missing out on?
/r/PurplePillDebate26/07/24 05:01 PM
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How is this strategy working for you? If you weren't going to have sex with me anyway what difference does it make to me?
/r/PurplePillDebate26/07/24 03:58 PM
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Well in the case you're talking about "is it better?" The answer is "no". The man wants sex and that's the way to get it, he could be straight up, but then he might not get sex. It's super simple.
/r/PurplePillDebate26/07/24 03:00 PM
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Who will date who is super predictable. As to whether that's the same as who will love who, I can't say. I assume you treat those as different things.
/r/PurplePillDebate26/07/24 02:51 PM
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Sounds like someone who's never received an "ewww" in response to a greeting. No matter where, how or what kind of approach, you'll find women complaining about it. Of course they don't complain about getting attention from who they want, when they want it. Nobody would complain about that obviously.
/r/PurplePillDebate26/07/24 01:42 PM
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That’s different from “My life sucks, there is no hope, I’m forever alone because I’m 5’6,” wouldn’t you agree? I don't agree. Really is just complaining about reality at the end of the day. What would you tell the 5'6" man that complains about his lot in dating if not "go out and approach women ". And despite how you frame it there are some women who are going to be upset that he approached them, no matter how he does it. Any approach, method or location that you can think of you can find women…
/r/PurplePillDebate26/07/24 12:21 PM
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There's no good looking young woman that complains about someone politely asking her for her number. Definitely untrue lol
/r/PurplePillDebate26/07/24 11:30 AM
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so long as it’s someone they’re attracted to. And they frequently aren't attracted to the people pursuing them, and are displeased about it. They complain about it all the time, but it is an inevitable reality of male-female dynamics. So, yeah they are negative. A man who is just getting to date/fuck whoever he wants wouldn't be negative either. Just like a woman being pursued only by who she wants wouldn't be negative.
/r/PurplePillDebate26/07/24 11:29 AM
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Blue pill btw
/r/PurplePillDebate26/07/24 02:28 AM
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I mean, sure but you asked what's wrong with the approach of feminizing men. My answer is that those feminized men aren't going to be the ones around women.
/r/PurplePillDebate25/07/24 07:19 PM
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So what exactly is wrong with women pushing for boys to be more feminized? I mean ultimately what's wrong is that women don't want feminine men. They can push all they want, the ones who don't take to feminization are the ones who are gonna get the most opportunities to hurt women, which is already the case, hence choose better.
/r/PurplePillDebate25/07/24 06:54 PM
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Can they survive on one income? Plenty of people survive on less, same result as if he couldn't work. I thought we valued him as a person. I know it's nice to think that most people are thoughtful and loving and would stick with their partner through thick and thin, but they aren't. Maybe people want to grow old with their partner, but nobody wants to be stuck with an undesirable partner while they're still young and can do better, people trade up, people move on. Shit happens. A dude's dick cou…
/r/PurplePillDebate25/07/24 03:50 PM
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and also realise that life changes as you grow. That's not what you're describing. A man loses his job and decides to be a homemaker, most women aren't accepting that. 6 months into marriage a woman finds herself unwilling/unable to have sex, the relationship is over. Sure people expect to grow old, they don't expect to be stuck with a less desirable partner while they're still young and can do better. If they wanted that they could have picked a less desirable partner to begin with. Not to stat…
/r/PurplePillDebate25/07/24 01:51 PM
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She probably would, whether it's reasonable or not, especially of she's still young and can get another partner. In truth that's just how romantic relationships work.
/r/PurplePillDebate25/07/24 12:14 PM
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When people improve themselves they're usually improving themselves in ways that the opposite sex finds attractive and that is the only type of self improvement that is lauded. Some videogames do take a lot of perseverance and time investment to become proficient in. Just like learning a language or an instrument. Learning an instrument is considered self improvement, learning a video game is not. Largely when people think about self improvement they think about things other people will find imp…
/r/PurplePillDebate24/07/24 03:17 PM
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I've seen creepy defined as "persistently engaging in unwanted sexual or romantic advances". Thus if the advances are wanted, then the behavior is not creepy. Therefore "creepy" is subjective, a woman may find an action creepy when one man does it, but not when another does it. Similarly another woman may find the same man's actions not creepy. Also, obviously attractiveness is a factor in this. By the definition of creepy we have it is going to be far less common for an attractive man's actions…
/r/PurplePillDebate23/07/24 10:28 PM
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Well. I'm not even gonna argue who's more emotional or dramatic, but, men tend to repress emotionally more, which does make them a bit less drama to deal with since they're more likely to just keep their emotions to themselves. This is one of the things women complain about in men. Men can definitely be emotional and dramatic, but they also have a greater tendency to be closed off and distant, so you may never actually have to deal with their emotions.
/r/PurplePillDebate23/07/24 10:00 PM
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People don't really follow a pill, whether you ever see success in dating or not, if you ever found yourself looking for red pill advice then you didn't have a natural aptitude for attracting the opposite sex, thus Redpill is going to have more people that are unsuccessful. That doesn't mean "Bluepill" people are "right". Dating is something even people in successful relationships might not know a lot about, the approach that works best for you is gonna depend on what your strengths are and how …
/r/PurplePillDebate23/07/24 09:47 PM
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Firstly, you're suggesting being abrasive, not direct. Secondly, your earlier contention was that you couldn't respond in this abrasive manner because you're a woman, I've stated that whether you're a man or a woman this will be received negatively, you've pointedly ignored that several times, one can only guess as to why.
/r/PurplePillDebate23/07/24 08:16 PM
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A man who responded that way would also be seen as an uptight asshole is what I've been saying. What do you think the difference would be?
/r/PurplePillDebate23/07/24 07:34 PM
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You could also say it makes you uncomfortable and that you'd like them to stop, you jump to a combative mode of communication because you're a combative person or an uptight asshole. Also, I still don't know what you think would be the difference if a man responded like that? Depending on their temperament they're either gonna argue with you call you a bitch etc, or they'll just shut up and leave you alone, which is exactly the same thing that would happen to a man.
/r/PurplePillDebate23/07/24 07:25 PM
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Ngl, given the culture of investment banking, I get what she was saying, but STEM... I'm gonna need specifics.
/r/PurplePillDebate23/07/24 07:12 PM
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What do you believe would have happened if I had responded with “Who gives a fuck what you think?” Or “Who the fuck asked you, Einstein?” The same thing that happens when a man responds like an uptight asshole lol. They'll just not talk to you next time. I don't know what you think would happen if you were a man, hell I don't even know what you think was gonna happen as a woman.
/r/PurplePillDebate23/07/24 06:55 PM
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Couldn't anyone's spouse do this regardless of age. Most people don't have the balls to straight up commit murder, it's the same reason you can be reasonably certain your coworkers aren't going to shank you in an alley when you piss them off
/r/PurplePillDebate22/07/24 10:20 PM
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This is a you thing other people like sex.
/r/PurplePillDebate22/07/24 09:58 PM
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I swear there was a time where people wanted their kids around. I don't know if this is actually true, you have to be careful when receiving half-remembered nostalgia fueled retellings. When my parents talk about their experiences growing up with my grandparents, they mostly reminisce fondly, but given more details a lot of what they experience was pretty dark, miserable and abusive. In fact even most of the "funny" stories end with someone getting beaten or otherwise punished. Also a lot of wha…
/r/PurplePillDebate22/07/24 09:37 PM
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"gaslight" lol, it's self delusion. I noticed you specified on the first date, so if he says it after and she hangs it's on him. I even accept that morally sometimes you have to make decisions for people who can't make one for themselves. But, so we're clear if a woman chooses to keep fucking a man, that clearly doesn't want to be with her, that's her fault and it is no different than men who try and beg, plead and bribe their way out of the friendzone.
/r/PurplePillDebate22/07/24 05:13 PM
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Fuckzone is telling a woman lies that you are in a relationship Or a woman lying to herself. I've seen women still hang around a man that refuses to be seen in public with her or even after that man has explicitly said "No, I don't want to move forward with this relationship". Women are socially attuned until it would be better to be oblivious, you all know what "we'll see where it goes" or "maybe one day" or "I'm not sure right now" means. You say the same things to men, you just choose to forg…
/r/PurplePillDebate22/07/24 04:58 PM
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It's to build up a solid friend group that includes women and allows you to meet new people. This is the adjusted advice, yes. People on this subreddit say that, after already having this argument and knowing that the "you were only pretending to my friend!" contradiction is brought up. People who have not yet had this conversation do say exactly "Be her friend first"
/r/PurplePillDebate22/07/24 04:48 PM
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People leave their partners for other suitors all the time, so I don't know how true that is.
/r/PurplePillDebate22/07/24 01:06 PM
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You are suggesting that there is some incentive to stop being a bitter angry incel, when there probably isn't. They can stop whining on line and that's not going to move them even 1mm closer to getting laid.
/r/PurplePillDebate21/07/24 05:04 PM
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What's having a spine get you in this scenario?
/r/PurplePillDebate21/07/24 04:59 PM
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There are no parenting rules whatever is/isn't a parent's job is completely up to them. Only thing they're really obligated to do is feed and clothe. There are really no hard and fast "parents do this" or "parents don't do that". Parents are just twi people who had sex and they do whatever they do. There's no consistency between them that you can use to make broad statements like the one you've made. That said, parents do get invested in the romantic lives of their children, so it would be wise …
/r/PurplePillDebate21/07/24 03:00 PM
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50% dying in war sounds like a lot, you sure that's true?
/r/PurplePillDebate19/07/24 06:56 PM
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Care to expound?
/r/PurplePillDebate19/07/24 06:54 PM
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Unless you know of beautiful women who would have sex with ugly fat men because ugly fat men are easier to get in bed? A woman would never have to because attractive men are just as easy to get into bed.
/r/PurplePillDebate19/07/24 06:23 PM
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Apparently, sex is the reason we have electricity and civilization, and why men bathe, talk to women, work, and get up in the morning Ok. Why do you do anything? What motivates you?
/r/PurplePillDebate19/07/24 06:19 PM
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I don't know, it depends on what exactly is being said, some "strategies" are a fiction and people are deluding themselves into thinking it matters. The points about when and how to approach women in particular, it really doesn't matter when and how it just matters if she wants to talk to you or not, which she'll decide within 5 seconds of seeing you.
/r/PurplePillDebate19/07/24 01:33 AM
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It's just woman brain. They wouldn't date a short man personally, but they think they're the only one like that. Same reasoning behind the "anyone would be lucky to have you, but not me tee hee" they think it's just them.
/r/PurplePillDebate19/07/24 01:22 AM
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Black pillers for the most part say only looks matter. Granted their are varying versions of all the pills. But, "looks are king" is the basic thesis of black pill.
/r/PurplePillDebate18/07/24 11:29 PM
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If you can identify the women that are interested Yeah, but this is obvious. When women are interested, they show interest. I remember I did the thing where you Google "How to tell if a girl like you" and looked out for playing with their hair or whatever. Then I lost the weight and it suddenly became a whole lot less mysterious and a whole lot more obvious. I mean sure, you need to be able to interact with people and not being able to pick up on social cues at all is gonna be a problem, but in …
/r/PurplePillDebate18/07/24 06:50 PM
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I agree with your logic, but.... Just have to talk with them as people, as neuters You're just wrong on the specifics here. Women are women, they socialize differently from men and when interacting with the interaction is going to be at least somewhat coloured by their gender.
/r/PurplePillDebate18/07/24 04:43 PM
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I don't know about that, most of the social skills advice I've seen from women is "learn to read the room when someone isn't interested", which like yeah lol, that's the problem, women aren't interested.
/r/PurplePillDebate18/07/24 04:26 PM
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When I was young and super hot in my late teens / early 20's, I had poor social skills and was very unsuccessful with women, looks didn't matter. Then when I picked up good skills though practice, the difference was night and day. Idk man, I have the opposite experience. I lost a lot of weight and put on a lot of muscle in my late teens/early 20s and girls basically started doing the work for me.. I was always very shy, so I thought of myself as having bad social skills, but it's way easier when…
/r/PurplePillDebate18/07/24 04:13 PM
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if your social skills are enough to make friends at all then their good enough to get a girlfriend. Disagree, but it depends on your circumstances. Making friends in school or childhood is easier. You'll see each other every day for years, if you're not friends today maybe you'll be friends tomorrow. Looking for a partner in adulthood is a much harder task, if you meet someone you may never meet them again, you have to, in basically one interaction leave a good enough impression that they feel l…
/r/PurplePillDebate17/07/24 11:05 PM
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Confidence doesn't exist in a vacuum, but I'm sure you've had that conversation already as well. You're not going to be confident if you've faced a lot of rejection.
/r/PurplePillDebate17/07/24 10:57 PM
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I agree. As long as a man is sexually successful he's not gonna care what anyone says. If women can't resist fucking him, there's nothing anyone can do about it.
/r/PurplePillDebate17/07/24 04:36 PM
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Low risk is not no risk. You'd have to further do the risk reward calculation of complication of surgery vs. the risk of death by appendicitis. Secondly wide availability of tests does not at all prevent the scenario we were talking about where the woman lied and the man is led to believe the child is their's. If your only concern is money then I am happy to live in a world where everyone pays for their own problems and leaves me the fuck out of it, but we don't live in that world and I'm alread…
/r/PurplePillDebate17/07/24 12:57 AM
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Funny part is she still won’t fuck you even after all that Isn't this precisely the point? That some men do basically have to pay women to date them? Like what even is your contention?
/r/PurplePillDebate16/07/24 11:58 PM
0

A good reason for mandatory testing is that it would make paternity fraud completely impossible, sounds worth it to me.
/r/PurplePillDebate16/07/24 11:07 PM
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By the same reasoning no country is going to mandate paternity testing. What's the best case scenario? More single parent households? No government would spend money just to have more single parent households.
/r/PurplePillDebate16/07/24 10:51 PM
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If women didn't have to worry about rape, groping and other forms of sexual violence I believe many of them would be a lot more open towards casual sex. They wouldn't, they don't want casual sex as much because it's harder for them to find partners they find attractive, they say it all the time on here.
/r/PurplePillDebate15/07/24 10:51 PM
1

It does have inflation, like everything else.
/r/PurplePillDebate15/07/24 11:34 AM
1

You know what's funny, the best looking women I know are the one's who are single the longest. They're also always getting cheated on.
/r/PurplePillDebate15/07/24 11:02 AM
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It's not the end of the world, but honestly you don't need to do that well academically (if you're not doing more academics). Presumably getting a job is what you want out of college, which wasn't gonna be hindered by your gpa being a little lower, and meeting people at parties and whatever actually helps significantly with the job search. So yeah, depending on your goals and how much you sacrificed, you're gonna regret it at least somewhat because some of the effort you put in isn't going to ma…
/r/PurplePillDebate15/07/24 10:54 AM
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Maybe women have lower self esteems than they let on, or maybe it's performative. But you'll never see a fat man posting anything on social media with the implication that they think themselves attractive, you will see fat women doing that though. Granted maybe it's just a performance for social media and they don't really mean it.
/r/PurplePillDebate14/07/24 10:12 PM
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Not saying it isn't, but good looks alone will bring you more success than any other positive trait in isolation. How dating really works is people date people they're attracted to, and the relationship either fails or succeeds based on other factors. Looks are the primary thing and I don't think most people even contest that anymore.
/r/PurplePillDebate14/07/24 10:02 PM
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You're wrong though. If the men they want aren't available women would rather be alone. They view most men the same way straight men view other men, they aren't attracted to them at all. Lack of availability of women doesn't make most (straight) men more interested in gay men. It's the same. If you don't believe me ask the women on here, they say it all the time.
/r/PurplePillDebate14/07/24 09:25 PM
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It is a solid argument actually. The dude isn't anywhere near her, if he gets angry just ghost him like she was going to anyway, there's no danger, this fear of men's anger is just being used as an excuse to be rude.
/r/PurplePillDebate14/07/24 07:59 PM
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It is a solid argument actually. The dude isn't anywhere near her, if he gets angry just ghost him like she was going to anyway, there's no danger, this fear of men's anger is just being used as an excuse to be rude.
/r/PurplePillDebate14/07/24 07:59 PM
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Yeah, he might shoot her through the phone.
/r/PurplePillDebate14/07/24 07:46 PM
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Why couldn't she have just said that to him? Why couldn't she have just suggested a new idea? Because she can get another date in 2 seconds, it's actually easier to just get another date than it is to have this discussion.
/r/PurplePillDebate14/07/24 07:25 PM
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You were the one joining the "yaaas queen" chain about how being a slob makes you not relationship material, clearly it's not actually a deal breaker.
/r/PurplePillDebate14/07/24 06:40 PM
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Notice that your father was married, twice apparently. Doesn't seem like it was really a roadblock.
/r/PurplePillDebate14/07/24 06:28 PM
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Crazy that the activities meant to bond with each other Nothing is meant for anything lol, who wrote the rules, you?
/r/PurplePillDebate14/07/24 06:17 PM
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Sex is deadly?
/r/PurplePillDebate14/07/24 04:33 PM
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Most of these situations that I'm aware of lying is a stretch. It's "faking interest" if he even shows basic decency. I don't think it's obvious to men that they're supposed to treat women like shit if they don't want a relationship.
/r/PurplePillDebate14/07/24 04:28 PM
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They like sex in some contexts, they don't like it the same way men do. Don't ask me why some of them insist they do when they clearly don't.
/r/PurplePillDebate14/07/24 04:25 PM
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Have you considered that sex feels good?
/r/PurplePillDebate14/07/24 04:23 PM
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You should hear how the anti-racist people talk about black conservatives lol.
/r/PurplePillDebate14/07/24 01:34 PM
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I don't think where at a point anymore where anyone is denying that looks are the single most important factor. I think this would have been damning 5 - 10 years ago, but not now.
/r/PurplePillDebate14/07/24 11:38 AM
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Most people don't exercise. Most gym goers are men. These statements aren't contradictory.
/r/PurplePillDebate13/07/24 09:08 PM
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If this is your assumption then you really should be going for nobody, but that's not what happens in reality.
/r/PurplePillDebate13/07/24 06:03 PM
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There is some level of self delusion. But, people do get genuinely upset when you suggest that looks are your problem. I'm not sure why, but the idea that looks are a big deal seems to upset some people. So I guess, that because others get so upset by the suggestion, some ugly people choose to believe they must be wrong for thinking their looks are a problem.
/r/PurplePillDebate13/07/24 04:15 PM
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Nah, women only throw out the platitudes when they're talking to men, when they talk to each other, they say different things.
/r/PurplePillDebate13/07/24 01:37 AM
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Worst part is that the girls don’t realize why all the weak ass clowns around them make them feel unattracted. Even if I accept everything else you said, I don't accept this, women pretend not to know what they want because it sounds better. It's not that they aren't aware, it's that they're lying.
/r/PurplePillDebate13/07/24 12:57 AM
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Most people weren’t fucking in high school I never even mentioned fucking. I also mentioned college and however long you've been working, that's a lot of places surrounded by women your own age, if you've never had anyone show interest you aren't attractive. People keep saying this doesn't need to be spelled out, yet here we are.
/r/PurplePillDebate13/07/24 12:32 AM
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I don't disagree with what you said, I just don't see how it's a challenge to what I said. If nobody wants you, you're ugly, it's that simple.
/r/PurplePillDebate12/07/24 11:08 PM
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That perspective is entirely dependent on whether or not Liz is attracted to Bob in the first place. This is literally the only difference between the two. If she was mutually interested in Bob it doesn't make sense that it would be a problem. It would in fact be considered endearing.
/r/PurplePillDebate12/07/24 11:05 PM
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If a man is ugly, though, then he’s just ugly. If you're an adult man and you managed to go through 12 years of school, 4 more if you went to college and however long you've been working and in all that time no woman was ever interested, you're ugly.
/r/PurplePillDebate12/07/24 10:58 PM
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If nobody wants to fuck you, you aren't an average guy, you're an unattractive guy. Men complaining that absolutely nobody wants them aren't going to be helped by changing the way they think about women or whatever is classed as "personality" women don't care what they think anyway, so their personality doesn't matter.
/r/PurplePillDebate12/07/24 10:42 PM
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I think there was just another thread where the common stance was that it was obvious how much physical attractiveness matters. Then we have posts like this that convince me, it's definitely not obvious to everyone. It's really simple, if nobody wants to fuck you, your personality isn't the problem, it's your physical appearance. If you were attractive someone would fuck you, no not everyone, maybe not who you'd like, but someone would.
/r/PurplePillDebate12/07/24 10:04 PM
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For starters you’ll realize how dumb it is to equate external attractiveness of a man to delivery of female orgasm I think there is a link between attractiveness of a partner and likelihood of orgasm, I don't remember where I read it, but I can look it up if you want. Orgasm is at least in part psychological though, so I'd find it hard to believe that being hot has nothing to do with it which seems to be what you are implying.
/r/PurplePillDebate12/07/24 03:33 PM
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Complaining gets people to give them attention.
/r/PurplePillDebate12/07/24 03:17 PM
2

Sure, but it doesn't benefit them to do anything about it.
/r/PurplePillDebate12/07/24 03:12 PM
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It is not a woman’s job to teach little boys how to get his dick wet. And yet they try. You realized that saying "just be nice and respectful" was not mandatory.
/r/PurplePillDebate12/07/24 03:10 PM
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That affects whether or not a woman finds a man attractive. Since these empowered women no longer need to depend on men for money, shouldn’t this man be considered a very suitable partner? That just shows what women desire in a partner. She doesn't need someone who only makes 200k, so shed rather be alone than be with him, she doesn't get anything out of a relationship with him.
/r/PurplePillDebate12/07/24 03:06 PM
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The only way to undo this trend is for women to relax their economic standards for men. Logically I think you're correct, but why would women want to? They don't get anything out of a relationship with men they aren't attracted to. Honestly in days gone by, there were plenty of relationships where everyone involved was miserable, it's probably better that there are fewer of those form.
/r/PurplePillDebate12/07/24 02:55 PM
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You mean intuitively right? Because like I said most people don't know what those things are. And I'm gonna be real with you a lot of people don't actually mature as they get older, if anything they get worse.
/r/PurplePillDebate12/07/24 02:32 PM
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philosophy, poltics, really important stuff that young people don't have strong grasps for. Neither do old people lol. Most people don't know shit about philosophy or politics. You're going to have to expound on this, by grasp of philosophy do you mean having read Socrates? Because most people don't do this.
/r/PurplePillDebate12/07/24 02:25 PM
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It really isn't, just take the same approach, everyone who has a problem with homelessness just needs to house as many homeless people as they can, if you got a couch you got room for one.
/r/PurplePillDebate12/07/24 01:16 AM
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Are you implying that boring and attractive are mutually exclusive here? Otherwise I don't follow your logic
/r/PurplePillDebate12/07/24 01:11 AM
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It’s the least important thing that a person can do with their lives. You don't need to oversell it, you could just say there's more to life than having kids.
/r/PurplePillDebate10/07/24 11:38 PM
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I agree that nobody needs to give a reason, but they give one. I've noticed women frequently feel the need to justify things that don't need justification, which is what leads to their justifications being challenged.
/r/PurplePillDebate10/07/24 12:02 PM
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to make Racist members of KKK see how bigoted they were, Did it work for the KKK cause it sure as shit doesn't work for women.
/r/PurplePillDebate10/07/24 12:31 AM
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It's just an insult, the reasoning doesn't matter, stop trying to use logic, you know, I know, every woman that says it knows, they wouldn't go anywhere near a bear. Stop fighting them on it, you being upset is the joke, there's no point discussing it.
/r/PurplePillDebate09/07/24 09:32 PM
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That may be true, but given getting access to many women isn't an option for most men, what behavior do they actually partake in, is it not seeking the best woman (they can get)
/r/PurplePillDebate09/07/24 01:24 AM
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In terms of options they're basically the same.
/r/PurplePillDebate09/07/24 01:18 AM
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I wouldn't be so sure of that, but it's not really provable either way.
/r/PurplePillDebate09/07/24 12:44 AM
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Attractive people do tend to make more money, so that would track. There's also the halo effect, the involved dad that's cute is going to get noticed, the involved dad that isn't cute is not going to get noticed.
/r/PurplePillDebate09/07/24 12:18 AM
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I think you are misunderstanding “be her friend first”. The real advice is more like “get more female friends” Another retcon, what is meant is what is said. I notice a lot of things get twisted like this years after the fact and then people are like "Nobody ever said that".
/r/PurplePillDebate06/07/24 10:48 AM
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white young American women care the least about how much money you got. Sounds like people likely to already have money and not a lot of responsibilities. They don't care as much about your money because they don't need it. Unless you're literally a millionaire.
/r/PurplePillDebate05/07/24 08:16 PM
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Unimpressed? Must have been a tiny thing.
/r/PurplePillDebate05/07/24 08:06 PM
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I knew your response was gonna be something woo-woo. May as well have said check her horoscope.
/r/PurplePillDebate05/07/24 07:56 PM
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Answer how.
/r/PurplePillDebate05/07/24 07:45 PM
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Having a car in highschool and your parents gave you money when you moved out for some reason. I don't even understand why you'd expect them to give you anything. Are they still holding the car over your head or something?
/r/PurplePillDebate05/07/24 07:37 PM
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Be sure how? Are you advocating for hiring PIs?
/r/PurplePillDebate05/07/24 07:28 PM
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They are attracted because they're attracted, they'll try to justify it for the sake of argument, but the argument won't make any sense. People don't control what they're attracted to and people aren't wary around people they're attracted to, they're horny. Response is typically that even a "twink" is stronger than the average woman, therefore you should maximize the risk by selecting for men that are even stronger and thus even more dangerous, which I think obviously doesn't make sense, but tha…
/r/PurplePillDebate04/07/24 04:34 PM
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Look at it this way. It's not much of an "intuition" if it only works when the signs are obvious. If this is how it works then there is no intuition.
/r/PurplePillDebate04/07/24 01:49 PM
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Traditionally, a dinner date is seen as a method of courting a lady. But some men are changing the narrative of a dinner date, to dessert = sex. That's what courting is. He's buying you dinner because he wants to fuck you. You understand this, stop acting surprised. I note that the women aren't the ones buying the men dinner, you don't have to buy a person dinner to get to know them. You buy them dinner to impress them so they'll fuck you. If you just wanted to get to know them you can just talk…
/r/PurplePillDebate04/07/24 01:45 PM
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Would depend what your social life looks like, not just any social life is going to matter much. You need a social life that actually involves women, and it's pretty easy to meet many men and few women depending on how you choose to spend your time. Still, I guess something is better than nothing.
/r/PurplePillDebate04/07/24 01:16 PM
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Again you'd have to define worse how. Cause one can also get absolutely nothing, and some would argue that absolutely nothing is worse. I'm fine if you want to make the argument that having nobody is better, but you'd have to define what success means such that nothing is better.
/r/PurplePillDebate29/06/24 01:49 AM
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There's no such thing as love homie.
/r/PurplePillDebate24/06/24 03:56 AM
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Shows what you know, women don't need to do any of that, they can still get into a relationship whenever they want.
/r/PurplePillDebate24/06/24 03:40 AM
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They change not because women needed it, but because women can do something about it. No feminist is going to agree with this, but progress for women happens because men agree to it, and men agree to it because they want sex. It's just a tool women are born with that men are not, if a man needs help then he implicitly has nothing to offer and thus nobody is going to help him. A woman will always have her coochie so she's never worthless, so she'll get help. Culturally people are more open to wom…
/r/PurplePillDebate24/06/24 02:01 AM
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Someone gets raped, killed, mugged, etc? Well that is okay as life is not fair. That's how it works though, people will care if it happens to some people and nobody will give a fuck if it happens to other people. The difference between a tragedy and a statistic is who the victim is, life isn't fair.
/r/PurplePillDebate23/06/24 11:06 PM
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Life is unfair until that unfairness does not benefit women, then we must make it fair at others expense. Women have to meet unrealistic expectations for men in the 90s? That needed to be changed. This is literally just an example of life being unfair.
/r/PurplePillDebate23/06/24 08:31 PM
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we do all know the ugly guy who gets women because he has an amazing personality Maybe you do, "we" don't.
/r/PurplePillDebate23/06/24 07:35 PM
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one Most*, but alright you live in your version of reality.
/r/PurplePillDebate23/06/24 07:24 PM
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Do women want it ? If it's not stopping them from getting laid it doesn't matter.
/r/PurplePillDebate23/06/24 07:21 PM
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I asked myself if men would go that to attract women. If women wanted it then probably.
/r/PurplePillDebate23/06/24 07:15 PM
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It doesn't matter. If you want to be successful with women then that's what you have to do, it's not a negotiation. Life isn't fair, you either want it or you don't.
/r/PurplePillDebate23/06/24 07:05 PM
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Some people do and other's say the opposite "You obviously have a bad personality" is by far the most common response. Where does anyone every say that ugly people have an easy time getting laid? Find any such thread and it takes about 3.5 seconds for somebody to claim that "We all know" an ugly dude who gets tonnes of women because he's just the vibe.
/r/PurplePillDebate23/06/24 07:00 PM
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Even here, on the internet, where people have no incentive to lie, nor do they know the person they're talking to, people say the same things. It's either what most people believe or it's what they want to believe.
/r/PurplePillDebate23/06/24 06:53 PM
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How have they been led to believe this? It's literally what everyone says. People want to believe it, that's why when people complain about dating "you have a bad personality" is such a common refrain, despite "you probably don't look very good" being the far more likely reason.
/r/PurplePillDebate23/06/24 06:45 PM
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Probably not, but they do exist, so as long as the right to abortion exists, the right to abortion based on gender must also exists.
/r/PurplePillDebate23/06/24 05:47 PM
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If you can't pay your phone bill and some dude who has a big boy job can, then you can get him to pay it for you. Or if you need bus fare. Or if you'd just like $5. The women are also broke. This happens all the time.
/r/PurplePillDebate23/06/24 05:44 PM
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How would you tell the difference? If a woman doesn't want a boy and she knows she's gonna have a boy, she doesn't want to have that child. If you stop her then you are saying she's obligated to have the child.
/r/PurplePillDebate23/06/24 05:35 PM
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The money is the $400 they don't have, you basically answered the question.
/r/PurplePillDebate23/06/24 05:27 PM
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the world we live in is not meritocratic in anyway. Hard work probably isn't the biggest factor in success, but I disagree that the world isn't meritocratic at all. If you work hard you'll get further than if you don't. If you're looking at life as a competition, then yeah I agree, most of the winners were basically just born in a better position and you were never gonna outdo them no matter how hard you worked. That's why you can't look at life as a competition.
/r/PurplePillDebate23/06/24 05:25 PM
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Did everyone in this sub grow up rich or something? It's crazy to me that nobody has seen this, any man with a full time job has money to dig.
/r/PurplePillDebate23/06/24 05:08 PM
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To throw another element in here, I think if the thief was less attractive nobody would defend her, even as a woman. Not that she's a knockout from the one picture I've seen, but she is obviously not ugly. I think if she was obviously ugly nobody would give her the benefit of the doubt.
/r/PurplePillDebate23/06/24 12:41 PM
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She too is getting a benefit bc she is in a relationship with someone she likes. This changes nothing. How she feels about it doesn't change anything. People from relationships with people they find attractive, if she finds you attractive she'll consider you for a relationship, if she doesn't, then she won't. If you become more attractive more people will want to be in a relationship with you, thus you are rewarded.
/r/PurplePillDebate23/06/24 12:32 AM
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But if all the women react in the same crazy way Did you read the word "all" somewhere or is this just a separate point you're making.
/r/PurplePillDebate22/06/24 01:17 PM
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You can control the words that you use all that they don't feel like shit That's not how feelings work, no matter what he says, they take it how they take it. By your reasoning if a man gets angry when rejected the woman' should have controlled her words so that he doesn't get angry.
/r/PurplePillDebate22/06/24 01:09 PM
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maybe you make them feel like shit with your words Likely. But he can't control how they feel, it doesn't matter what he actually said.
/r/PurplePillDebate22/06/24 01:05 PM
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Yes they do. They find it attractive if they find the person attractive, if they don't they're likely to find it off-putting.
/r/PurplePillDebate21/06/24 09:57 PM
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I don't believe these are things that make a "good man", I think you're just saying that.
/r/PurplePillDebate21/06/24 11:59 AM
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Women have relationship with men because it is nice, because they want to. But in their head, it's like we are giving up medals by loving guies. It's a reward and the women's intent is irrelevant. If she didn't find him as attractive she wouldn't be with him, thus if he works to be more attractive his efforts are rewarded, doesn't matter if women think of it that way, it's still a reward.
/r/PurplePillDebate21/06/24 11:58 AM
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No? Good men are born like this. Y'all really just say things you don't believe.
/r/PurplePillDebate21/06/24 11:54 AM
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Even them honestly.
/r/PurplePillDebate21/06/24 11:42 AM
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Most men would prefer a hot young chick that never aged. Ok so it's that or nothing for women too. I've not been contradicted.
/r/PurplePillDebate20/06/24 09:45 PM
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What does that mean? Pretty sure they've had the freedom to not fuck them for a long time. It's not gonna reduce the male population significantly in SK, even if they go look for women abroad they'll just come back with baby factories to make more men.
/r/PurplePillDebate20/06/24 08:38 PM
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Depends on the objective I suppose.
/r/PurplePillDebate20/06/24 07:04 PM
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Well you're saying the reason behind your lack of social circle is the advice you received, but I don't know that the advice you received said "only do things in your comfort zone". You say you were focused on getting a good job before looking for women, but that doesn't stop you from growing a social circle. My thought was maybe you were so focused on your studies that you didn't do other things, but it sounds like you found time to do other things, as long as they were in your comfort zone. So…
/r/PurplePillDebate20/06/24 04:52 PM
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Gonna call shenanigans. obscure hobbies and share my gaming interests. This would also be declared a waste of time, so why was it cool to waste time on this, but not on women? Are you blaming advice you received when you were really just afraid?
/r/PurplePillDebate20/06/24 04:41 PM
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If you never had anyone showing interest nobody was interested. Unless you're telling me you were turning women away, there was nothing to miss out on. If women were into you, you wouldn't have made it to 27 without knowing that. Despite what people want to believe they aren't subtle.
/r/PurplePillDebate20/06/24 04:25 PM
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I think men don't understand that the equivalent for them would be a bunch of women they're not attracted to You'd have to say gay men in order to make men understand. I agree, however the statement "women find most men unattractive" is still somehow a controversial one.
/r/PurplePillDebate20/06/24 04:18 PM
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You do realize it's just sour grapes right, anybody who actually takes this ethos from the Redpill is doing so because nobody wanted to date them anyway. The fact that they felt the need to seek this advice is proof enough of that. If they stopped taking the advice, it would have zero impact on their prospects and they'd be wasting time trying to talk women that don't want them into dates.
/r/PurplePillDebate20/06/24 02:07 PM
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Because men would be happy if the situation were reversed, it's not being "used for sex", because sex is supposed to be mutually enjoyable.
/r/PurplePillDebate20/06/24 02:03 PM
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Why would you want a person like that? That's most women, so it's that or nothing for most. that's not love Lol
/r/PurplePillDebate20/06/24 02:01 PM
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You're gonna have to define success, cause getting that is clearly some level of success, since one can do worse.
/r/PurplePillDebate20/06/24 03:08 AM
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I mean, nobody cares, there's no good outcome from expressing them.
/r/PurplePillDebate19/06/24 02:53 PM
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It wouldn't be hard even if they were studious, it's a highschool relationship, they go home to their parents at the end of the day and it's not like they're holding 20 simultaneous text conversations. It's no more time consuming than guys playing League of Legends or whatever.
/r/PurplePillDebate19/06/24 04:20 AM
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And how many gold diggers are in Bumfuck Nowhere hoping to score a man with money? The ones that were born and raised in Bumfuck Nowhere. There are tonnes of broke men who have broker women leeching off them. It's all on what you know and have access to. A woman that's a 6 in New York might be an 8 in Yamacraw she can't be a gold digger in New York, but she can in Yamacraw.
/r/PurplePillDebate19/06/24 01:20 AM
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There are enough deterrents to that to make it uncommon. Nobody is tryna go to jail, most prostitutes aren't attractive anyway, the risk/reward ratio is too high.
/r/PurplePillDebate18/06/24 04:48 PM
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if you’re okay with the prospect of marrying your stepsister. Have you seen porn?
/r/PurplePillDebate18/06/24 04:41 PM
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I'm sure a lot of men don't cheat because of their morals or whatever, but there are also a lot of men who couldn't cheat even if they wanted to. Hard to say what they'd do given the opportunity, nobody really knows how faithful they are if they've never been tested.
/r/PurplePillDebate18/06/24 04:35 PM
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True, but an athlete or an actor has everything. The random hot dude just has looks.
/r/PurplePillDebate18/06/24 04:08 PM
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So like I brought up, it's a financial decision, like insurance. So why do people go so hard against gold diggers then, it's a thin line.
/r/PurplePillDebate18/06/24 01:51 PM
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I don't disagree, but the kind of person who would say marriage is a special love bond is paradoxically also the type of person who would argue that no-fault divorce is good actually. It's a contradictory pair of beliefs. Either it's sacred or it's just a contract, it's not both.
/r/PurplePillDebate18/06/24 01:49 PM
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Romantic love then. The personality thing you're saying is bunk and you know it. Richer, better looking people get more love, I didn't even know this was a thing people bothered debating. The redpill specifically says that women can really only love men in the way a child loves their parent(or the way redpillers think children love their parents) and that men are somehow different. Are you disagreeing with how the Redpill describes women here, or are you disagreeing that men are different? Becau…
/r/PurplePillDebate18/06/24 01:43 PM
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Why get married? All marriage does is make it harder for them to leave. Presumably you were already in a relationship where either party could leave, what is the marriage adding, what's the point of all this vowing and bullshit.
/r/PurplePillDebate18/06/24 01:30 PM
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I don't oppose no-fault divorce, I just think it kinda defeats the purpose of marriage. People can do whatever they want, but I've seen a lot of pro-marriage people who basically reduce marriage to a financial decision "oh you get tax breaks", "you need two incomes to afford a house", seems pretty shallow and definitely makes the whole wedding ceremony drama much ado about nothing, but like I said people can do what they want.
/r/PurplePillDebate18/06/24 12:58 PM
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This isn't true in the slightest.
/r/PurplePillDebate18/06/24 12:49 PM
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Bluepill isn't what it used to be, "Just be yourself" and "Treat women like people" are dead, nobody believes that shit anymore, I think social media killed it, now BluePill is Redpill and Redpill is Blackpill
/r/PurplePillDebate18/06/24 12:07 PM
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All men, including weak pasty men, have systemic power over women What school did you get brainwashed at? Most men have absolutely no power over women, they can't get you to do anything or anything from you, even their word counts less than yours.
/r/PurplePillDebate18/06/24 11:53 AM
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Women are genetically incapable of loving men in the same way men love and all of their love is based on respect? I don't know why you disagree with this, unless you're taking contention with men being different from women in this regard. If you're fat, broke and ugly nobody is going to love you, because that's all love is, having something of value to provide. Unless you're trying to say men aren't different, I don't understand what you disagree with. It does take less to satisfy men though, so…
/r/PurplePillDebate18/06/24 11:38 AM
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People always do this. Say Redpill is bunk and then just agree with everything it says, what belief do you want to be dropped then if you agree with everything
/r/PurplePillDebate18/06/24 01:40 AM
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Looks, status, money in that order
/r/PurplePillDebate17/06/24 08:05 PM
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You can't be serious...
/r/PurplePillDebate17/06/24 05:33 PM
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and not a sweet, demure, introverted woman. Depends on the movie, for some audiences this is desirable, for nerdier movies the love interests tend to be a little nerd coded themselves, but always hot ill grant you, the movie might pretend she's not that hot if the expected audience is the type that thinks hot people are stupid
/r/PurplePillDebate17/06/24 05:14 PM
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Yeah the nerd gets the girl thing is definitely wish fulfillment and not real. I think those are necessarily rom coms though, at least most of them, nerd gets the girl tends to worked into everything aimed at men, especially in the 2000s. It's even older than that actually, whoever wins the fight gets the girl usually.
/r/PurplePillDebate17/06/24 04:59 PM
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Women are definitely the primary consumers of rom coms. I think you're thinking of 2 different types of movies. The movies where the nerd or whatever gets the girl is definitely appealing to men, but in rom coms it tends to be some man who is obviously super desirable coming to the realization that he has to have one woman in particular because she's just so special, no matter what it takes, that's definitely for women.
/r/PurplePillDebate17/06/24 04:47 PM
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How you figure? Chemistry is primarily sexual attraction, using your eyes you can guess who's going to have chemistry. You don't need 100% accuracy to be able to say chemistry can be predicted.
/r/PurplePillDebate17/06/24 11:33 AM
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But those patterns don't have to have a logical explanation. Says who? There's a difference between there not being a logical explanation and not knowing the explanation. What patterns are there that you think are without explanation?
/r/PurplePillDebate13/06/24 12:22 PM
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You can’t predict personal preferences or chemistry You totally can.
/r/PurplePillDebate13/06/24 12:09 PM
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If guys are really easy, why not fuck the most attractive one? This is really a misconception. It's not that they are more interested in the most attractive one and less interested in the rest. They aren't interested in the rest at all. They describe it all the time on here, but I feel like people don't read what they say. Women are as attracted to most men as a straight man is. Gay men are also easy, but I bet you aren't interested in fucking the in a pinch.
/r/PurplePillDebate12/06/24 08:28 PM
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Cause it feels bad lol
/r/PurplePillDebate12/06/24 12:44 PM
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means that women's children lived to have their own children at a higher rate. Did you mean to say female children lived at a higher rate?
/r/PurplePillDebate12/06/24 11:51 AM
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Are women genuinely uncapable of love? Depends how you define love. If you mean love to be love for inherent value as a person most people won't, people are loved for what they provide it's the same for both men and women.
/r/PurplePillDebate12/06/24 03:20 AM
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It did, I still don't know what you're talking about.
/r/PurplePillDebate11/06/24 11:19 PM
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Your analogy was baseball.
/r/PurplePillDebate11/06/24 11:18 PM
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she’ll at least let you up to the plate to try out. Lol, what the fuck does that even mean? She'll let you fuck a panel of judges?
/r/PurplePillDebate11/06/24 11:16 PM
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This happens to a lot of people, the change in people's behavior makes you feel like nothing else about you ever really mattered, I think it should be obvious why that's depressing. Part of it is people are trained to believe this isn't the case, but how a person looks is the most important thing about them, unironically.
/r/PurplePillDebate11/06/24 09:29 PM
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They may need an app to find someone they'd want to cheat with. Women aren't very interested in most men after all.
/r/PurplePillDebate11/06/24 09:12 PM
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that seeks to There's the roadblock.
/r/PurplePillDebate11/06/24 08:34 PM
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collect gold roman coins. Genuine, not replica. Most people I tell this to find it really interesting, and want to know more, like how old they are, or how much they cost, or where I got them. Nobody cares about nerdy shit like this. People will pretend to be interested if they like you. If you don't they'll just think it's weird. Like I said most people (and people includes women are only interested in social media and Netflix)
/r/PurplePillDebate11/06/24 08:28 PM
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Try being passionate really passionate about something interesting, like science, history, philosophy, art, culture, whatever. Nobody cares. People talk about social media and TV, if a woman's eyes do anything but glaze over when you start going off about your passion she either has the same one or already likes you.
/r/PurplePillDebate11/06/24 07:31 PM
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Meaning it takes more to entice a woman than a man, thus women are pickier.
/r/PurplePillDebate11/06/24 04:44 PM
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Ok, but that's not what you said before. You were calling men hypocrites for also only fucking hot women, but that's not reality. This response completely contradicts your earlier statement.
/r/PurplePillDebate11/06/24 03:48 PM
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How many deaths is that if you don't mind me asking, like annually.
/r/PurplePillDebate11/06/24 03:29 PM
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while they themself would only sleep with hot girls too. This isn't true though. A woman would have to be really really friggin ugly to have trouble getting laid, like "not hot" isn't nearly cutting it.
/r/PurplePillDebate11/06/24 02:42 PM
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Women dying from coat hanger abortions, Because they're attempting to run away from a nut. He just wants a matching ability.
/r/PurplePillDebate11/06/24 01:25 PM
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The idea of looksmatch is pretty dumb honestly. People prefer to date more attractive people. If he could do better he would too.
/r/PurplePillDebate10/06/24 10:50 PM
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Many things happen that aren't as I would have designed them to be, that's neither here nor there. Sure, but that also means you don't want them to happen, hence unwanted... I don't know what's lol about maybe flattered? The implication is that sometimes you wouldn't be flattered, I just find that funny. If you're not flattered the approach is definitely unwanted.
/r/PurplePillDebate10/06/24 10:33 PM
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Maybe flattered lol. Unwanted as in the women involved in most cases would rather they didn't happen, more often than not it's not going to be reciprocated so why would you want someone you're not interested in trying to talk to you?
/r/PurplePillDebate10/06/24 09:54 PM
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Most warm approaches are also unwanted.
/r/PurplePillDebate10/06/24 09:29 PM
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Nobody fucking wishes they had less money and more pussy lol. What I meant by the expression is that they'd give up some of the income for pussy. You're right nobody wishes for less money. Women are 30 seconds of fun and 30 years of misery. Sure, if you do it wrong, but either way men who don't get pussy are also miserable.
/r/PurplePillDebate10/06/24 01:01 PM
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If I had a son, my goal would be to get him to focus on acheivements and not chasing skirts. He should really chase both to a certain extent. I know a couple of 30 year old virgin stem lords with 6- figure salaries and I know they wish they had less money and more pussy. You definitely don't want your son to be one of those.
/r/PurplePillDebate10/06/24 10:43 AM
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Men in the past were expected to do and be MUCH more than they are now I have a father and a grandfather and this is bullshit. Sure, they were expected to make money, but that's literally all they had to do. They didn't have to be unemotional robots at all, not from what I've seen, I'd say men today are more expected to be emotionless robots than they were. As for comfort, I don't think my father has mopped a floor or washed a shirt in his 60 years of life.
/r/PurplePillDebate10/06/24 10:28 AM
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So? That doesn't mean that being nice is the requirement. I bet most people you know have brown eyes, that doesn't mean brown eyes are a "bare minimum". You'd have to prove that most people couldn't be in relationships if they weren't nice.
/r/PurplePillDebate09/06/24 03:16 PM
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It is the bare minimum for most people. I disagree. I think being nice is appreciated, I don't think it's a requirement. "Bare minimum" would mean you need to be nice + something else. I'm contending you don't really have to be nice just the something else part. I don't know if I buy that women don't like men because they are nice, I just think whether or not you're nice is completely irrelevant.
/r/PurplePillDebate09/06/24 03:10 PM
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Not sure that's really a challenge to what I said. Doesn't make being nice the "bare minimum" in anyway, if anything it only strengthens my point
/r/PurplePillDebate09/06/24 02:57 PM
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It's not the "bare minimum" because it's not a requirement at all, seems like it's a "nice to have", I don't doubt that women want men to be nice, but being nice isn't what makes you attractive and if you're attractive women will date you even if you aren't nice at all. From the perspective of a man trying to date being nice doesn't matter.
/r/PurplePillDebate09/06/24 01:47 PM
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is just one of those situations where you just need to listen. While I agree the best course of action is just to ignore it, you definitely also don't need to listen to this bear bullshit
/r/PurplePillDebate09/06/24 01:12 PM
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Well with the definition of "creepy" used here, it's just harder for attractive guys to be creepy. If being creepy is contingent on not recognizing a lack of interest, you won't be creepy if people are interested, which they are more likely to be if you're attractive.
/r/PurplePillDebate07/06/24 04:07 PM
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Yes, but cope you see. It's harder to swallow that nobody has ever been interested so they gaslight themselves into thinking the signs are subtle and hidden.
/r/PurplePillDebate07/06/24 04:04 PM
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Men have no idea what's like to not have power by default. Lol, shows what you know.
/r/PurplePillDebate06/06/24 03:54 AM
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It's basically what people are working for anyway 40 hrs a week (realistically more if you have what women consider a real job) so that you can be old and useless in comfort.
/r/PurplePillDebate04/06/24 08:21 PM
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Pretty much every woman thinks her pussy is golden. I think this is because men tell them that to be honest. Nobody is gonna give honest feedback when it can jeopardize getting pussy again in the future.
/r/PurplePillDebate04/06/24 04:35 PM
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Doesn't matter what women say, words are just words. It doesn't mean that's actually what they want.
/r/PurplePillDebate03/06/24 05:54 PM
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Am I the only one who doesn't expect women to cook ever, nothing about the women I've met has led me to believe that most of them have any interest in cooking for anybody. Least of all during a "talking" stage.
/r/PurplePillDebate01/06/24 11:20 PM
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Bad example since PTSD comes with visible displays of emotion.
/r/PurplePillDebate01/06/24 03:12 PM
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You can read what I said perhaps.
/r/PurplePillDebate01/06/24 02:18 PM
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I'm sure these things matter to women, none of these things matter in the sense that these things aren't going to help you get a woman, because these aren't the things women select for. It's really just looks and money at the end of the day. Doesn't matter how much women like a man being open emotionally, if being open emotionally in the context of a relationship if being open emotionally won't get you into the relationship in the first place.
/r/PurplePillDebate01/06/24 02:07 PM
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And yet she didn't mention one thing that actually matters lol
/r/PurplePillDebate01/06/24 10:29 AM
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All I'm saying is you should probably make it clear that you disagree with the idea of men being unable to date in any significant numbers. It seems pretty integral to OPs position here, just suggesting "dating" without stating that you disagree makes it sound like you didn't read it, since OP already brought that up, but I guess it's not a big deal.
/r/PurplePillDebate01/06/24 12:15 AM
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Sure, but it's basically the entire post, like there's nothing else written there. The whole post is just "dating is not an option and thus porn isn't going anywhere"
/r/PurplePillDebate01/06/24 12:06 AM
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The premise is that regular dating isn't an option for many. You don't have to agree with the premise, but ignoring it makes it sound like you didn't read it.
/r/PurplePillDebate01/06/24 12:04 AM
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If emotional labor is mental load, then how do we measure if women do more than men? Now you're getting how this works.
/r/PurplePillDebate31/05/24 08:47 PM
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Sure, but how hard are they trying and how hard would they be trying if there wasn't an alternative?
/r/PurplePillDebate31/05/24 07:20 PM
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Look good and have money, it's actually really simple. Besides, what I said was people wouldn't believe it.
/r/PurplePillDebate30/05/24 03:31 PM
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Sounds more like women to me, but sure.
/r/PurplePillDebate30/05/24 03:03 PM
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If there was a formula for them, then everyone would use it. Not so. People want to believe romance is special, so they refuse to believe there's a predictable formula. So even if one was proven a lot of people would just refuse to believe it.
/r/PurplePillDebate30/05/24 02:40 PM
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Sure, but what I meant is most women would never want most men they see/have met to approach them. I don't think enough men understand that. Whether or not a woman has "nope" stamped on her forehead matters little, she probably doesn't talk to you anyway. If you were the type of man strange women like talking to you'd know that before reaching adulthood, I think more men need to understand that.
/r/PurplePillDebate30/05/24 02:37 PM
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More likely the man has a huge nope on his. People need to learn whether or not they're attractive
/r/PurplePillDebate30/05/24 12:26 PM
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Why isn't it comparable?
/r/PurplePillDebate30/05/24 12:05 PM
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You can just lie to them, no reason they need to know anything.
/r/PurplePillDebate29/05/24 10:13 PM
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Given how women are, sure, it would be more morally correct for men to straight up say "I'll fuck you, but that's it, I don't want to be seen in public with you", but I've seen enough situations where "Lie" is a stretch. You ask a man where he sees the relationship going and he says "Let's go with the flow" or any such, you know what that means, you're lying to yourselves just as much
/r/PurplePillDebate29/05/24 04:57 PM
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If you're going to spend all that money and possibly go into debt, why wouldn't you do this? To spend more time socializing with women. I'm not ascribing a moral judgement, but time spent studying is a cost, and it doesn't always guarantee better outcomes than just being a very social fuck up. Life's more about who you know than what you know honestly. But, if you're the type of person that struggles socially anyway, it probably wouldn't have made a difference anyway.
/r/PurplePillDebate29/05/24 03:23 PM
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Lol, the post hoc always kills me. You'd have to show me evidence of women caring in the first place.
/r/PurplePillDebate29/05/24 10:17 AM
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Sure, if being a maid means being slightly less useless than your useless man then I agree
/r/PurplePillDebate28/05/24 11:19 PM
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No they wouldn't. You're buying into women's framing. They would make Chand and Tyrone wait if they thought they would. They think sex will make him have a relationship with her.
/r/PurplePillDebate28/05/24 09:41 PM
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Most 30 year old women are fit and in their prime. Absolutely not. Unless the majority of them are actually invisible to you.
/r/PurplePillDebate28/05/24 07:53 PM
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They delude themselves with way less than this. Some of them seriously think they're in a relationship with men who only ever meet them for sex
/r/PurplePillDebate28/05/24 06:51 PM
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And I'll post it again - the women who have the most kids in their lifetime are high school dropouts. That's how that works though, we didn't evolve with highschool, as long as offspring have a good chance of surviving and thus producing more offspring that's all that matters. If you're a certified genius who can't get women to fuck you, your offspring also have the risk of taking after you, thus loser chance of reproduction. All it means to be a genetic dead end, that you can't reproduce, doesn…
/r/PurplePillDebate28/05/24 05:19 PM
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Ok, but you're one person. I don’t know any single mothers That should show you that your perspective is flawed, cause there are plenty. I’ve only ever seen people like each other based on personality and not superficial factors like appearance and money Unless you're saying that in your experience broke ugly people are just as often liked as rich pretty people, this isn't true.
/r/PurplePillDebate28/05/24 04:29 PM
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Don't
/r/PurplePillDebate28/05/24 03:24 PM
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I see the disconnect now, I thought we understood that damn near everyone is terminally online. Unironically touch grass and look what people are doing.
/r/PurplePillDebate28/05/24 01:28 PM
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Doesn't mean that "go touch grass" isn't the solution to all virtual problems Yes it does. When you touch grass you're going to meet people with the same thoughts and opinions you see online, because they also spend all day online.
/r/PurplePillDebate28/05/24 01:25 PM
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Sure, it does mean the people who live on screens vs. people who don't dichotomy is a false one though. Which was the topic of the discussion not the merits of being terminally online. Please try to keep the context
/r/PurplePillDebate28/05/24 01:21 PM
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Should have been hot. It's really the answer to at least 75% of problems you can face in life.
/r/PurplePillDebate28/05/24 01:18 PM
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This "touch grass" argument will continue to used no matter how little sense it makes. It's an easy dismissal and it's just a dismissal so it doesn't really need to make sense.
/r/PurplePillDebate28/05/24 12:29 PM
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I wish I could remember who's story it was, a guy who used to play piano at his school and never saw any interest from girls, then he overheard some girl going on about how much she loves musicians when some hot guy was playing chopsticks. Pretty much anything women say they like needs the added qualifier, if you're attractive
/r/PurplePillDebate28/05/24 10:58 AM
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Sex is the reason men date.
/r/PurplePillDebate28/05/24 10:35 AM
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Lol, I sometimes wonder about the women worrying about being a bangmaid, when most of the young women I know would be pretty useless as home makers, they don't cook and they don't clean. I guess it's the same way women see the men worrying about being divorce raped.
/r/PurplePillDebate27/05/24 09:07 PM
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But men underestimate how much taking care of themselves (like grooming, skincare, dressing fashonably) I think you're overestimating these things, not that they don't matter at all, but it's marginal at best. Because I'm not an idiot and I wouldn't pretend to be for women. Difference in values, I'll be whatever they want me to be. If you don't care nobody is forcing you. I don't see that actually, I see a small segment of very promicuous women respond to it. Disagree, I think having a body buil…
/r/PurplePillDebate27/05/24 06:26 PM
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Most men aren't attractive, you can't go back in time and choose to be born a pretty boy, "roided out gym bro" is the only path you have. Women respond to it, that's why it happens. Some people talk about it, like it's a myth, but see what type of man is getting attention from young women on campus its the "low IQ gym bros", the better question is why you wouldn't want to be like that instead?
/r/PurplePillDebate27/05/24 05:31 PM
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Deep down inside you and every woman know the answer to that question. You don't. There is no answer.
/r/PurplePillDebate27/05/24 04:32 PM
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It's not difficult to be an asshole either, in fact being an asshole can often be as easy as ignoring someone.
/r/PurplePillDebate27/05/24 02:11 PM
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This question sounds like its being asked in bad faith. Why do you think a straight man would view compliments from women differently? You can't think of the reason why straight men want to be viewed favorably by women?
/r/PurplePillDebate27/05/24 01:56 PM
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It's what's on offer. It's a take it or leave it type deal. Some women say they rather be alone, then they can do that. The rest who can't stand being alone have to take it, I don't think most relationships are really what either party wants honestly, it's just the best they could do, but that's just my POV
/r/PurplePillDebate27/05/24 01:54 PM
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I don't necessarily disagree, but women prefer stable relationships and some men have to trade that to get sex, it's want for want. If women just wanted casual sex, then Chad would be the way to go.
/r/PurplePillDebate27/05/24 01:48 PM
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It's not, because they'd still rarely get compliments from women. A compliment from a man and a compliment from a woman aren't the same.
/r/PurplePillDebate27/05/24 01:35 PM
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They'd fuck them, which is good enough to secure most relationships realistically.
/r/PurplePillDebate27/05/24 01:32 PM
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I don't know that men only care about hookups, but a man's inability to get hookups mirrors his inability to get a partner that he'd actually like. So inability to get hookups means you've lost the game.
/r/PurplePillDebate27/05/24 01:27 PM
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Women have a very reasonable explanation for not complimenting men, which is that many men will interpret it as flirting and hitting on him. This is one of those snakes that eats it's own tail, men interpret it this way because women don't normally compliment them. Anyway the point is moot because attractive men do get complimented, attractive men are just the minority.
/r/PurplePillDebate27/05/24 01:11 PM
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It’s easier to be nice than nasty It really isn't lol
/r/PurplePillDebate27/05/24 01:05 PM
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There's no paradox here, y'all are just saying words.
/r/PurplePillDebate26/05/24 11:16 PM
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Yeah, but I don't know if what you're describing is general behavior of women or just something some women do.
/r/PurplePillDebate26/05/24 07:24 PM
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Well whatever makes him attractive. Like I've seen taken people act kinda goofy and flirty around attractive people, I don't think they can help it really, doesn't mean there's an intention to cheat or even that they would.
/r/PurplePillDebate26/05/24 07:21 PM
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I don't know if "women" do it, but it does happen. Hot people make people act dumb. Men do it too in all fairness. They can't really help it, if you and your wife are hanging with a hot dude there's gonna be a difference in her body language, either super open or super closed off because she's trying to act not attracted to him, it's the same with men and hot women.
/r/PurplePillDebate26/05/24 07:16 PM
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I don't know about the sex stuff or earning sessions stuff, but I am convinced that if women were the stronger gender men would be slaves. Women just care so little that it wouldn't bother them. Men also don't have anything apart from labor that women want, so why shouldn't they? As for sex they'd probably just pick the best men and share them communally (I don't know what "best" means in this world, I guess just hottest)
/r/PurplePillDebate26/05/24 07:07 PM
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This is why women pick the bear... cause they're dumb. You meet a man that already has 1 or 2 kids they're not taking care of and you choose to have a kid with them, yes you're choosing to be a single mother, I don't care how you rationalize it.
/r/PurplePillDebate26/05/24 10:05 AM
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There'd be too many people in jail so it just couldn't happen. It's not going to be a bigger deterrent than the consequences that already exist. Most people don't cheat with the intention of getting caught anyway.
/r/PurplePillDebate25/05/24 11:13 PM
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Typically when you hit people they hit you back, so yes it is a problem that you can't really retaliate.
/r/PurplePillDebate25/05/24 06:30 PM
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Means men are trained to not hit women and women don't have that problem
/r/PurplePillDebate25/05/24 06:21 PM
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People say finances, so I guess that. Also the wedding ceremony, people want to have that experience as well. I agree though no fault divorce renders marriage vows moot honestly. So I guess it's just for the party and the financial incentive.
/r/PurplePillDebate25/05/24 05:02 PM
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There are more women with children than men which means women, moreso than men, choose partners who run away from responsibility. Not my fault y'all are choosing to be baby momma #2 or #3
/r/PurplePillDebate25/05/24 04:32 PM
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People only believe information that confirms their current world view. If a study doesn't say what they believe something must be wrong with the study or your interpretation of it. Hence why "I know a guy" or "just look outside" or "everyone knows" are such common retorts, there's no way to argue with what someone sees or "knows"
/r/PurplePillDebate25/05/24 04:19 PM
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I feel like you didn't read what I said. Men have a harder time believing this type of lie. Men who don't receive compliments don't have anything worth complimenting and they know it, you can't fool them. They know they aren't attractive.
/r/PurplePillDebate25/05/24 03:33 PM
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I don't think this one of the types of delusion that men can engage in. It just doesn't work for them. Men that don't get compliments, don't get compliments because they're unattractive, they know it and no number of false compliments is gonna convince them you mean it. It's not like women who can as a group agree Lizzo is attractive and then live in that reality.
/r/PurplePillDebate25/05/24 03:27 PM
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Right yeah, so the perseverance thing you brought up is nonsense. It's not about perseverance
/r/PurplePillDebate25/05/24 04:47 AM
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Well if you're attracted to success, the best predictor of success is being born in a position to succeed. Unless you find it attractive when people preserve and fail, it's not the perseverance that's attractive, but the success.
/r/PurplePillDebate25/05/24 03:18 AM
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No women segregate men into "men" and "unimportant thing" at first glance. The "beta" just doesn't exist to them.
/r/PurplePillDebate24/05/24 05:27 PM
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A lot of poor people who lack opportunities turned out rich. Lol most don't. You can predict most people's future the day they are born. People who don't conform to this are a relatively tiny exception.
/r/PurplePillDebate24/05/24 12:40 PM
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Sure, doesn't make the assertion any more meaningful. When people wanna say "average man" with a "gorgeous woman", this could be an above average man with an average woman, can't trust their perception, thus can't trust their point.
/r/PurplePillDebate24/05/24 11:00 AM
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but more that he dosnt view all women as the same. And what does that imply? It doesn't matter if all women are the same or not, you can't appeal to each one individually.
/r/PurplePillDebate24/05/24 12:18 AM
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Expound.
/r/PurplePillDebate23/05/24 09:29 PM
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I feel like this doesn't answer my question at all. You said women are adapting to men seeing them as disposable today, my contention is that this is nonsense because women don't care about most of those men to begin with. Your respone is that 40 years ago women couldn't have their own bank account. Were women even seen as "disposable" then?
/r/PurplePillDebate23/05/24 08:48 PM
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They never cared about the "majority of men" anyway These things never work in reverse. Why do you care whether or not men you were never interested in see you as disposable?
/r/PurplePillDebate23/05/24 08:38 PM
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He did list "specific person", so I do think catering to one specific person is exactly what he's thinking. At best he means a "type of person" whatever the fuck that means.
/r/PurplePillDebate23/05/24 05:28 PM
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Neither could be an option. But, you have to appreciate that big businesses like that basically pay all the taxes, so they have a good argument for getting what they want. Cut taxes and let banks die if they die. Also eliminating student debt is a waste of money if the next cohort is just gonna have the same problem.
/r/PurplePillDebate23/05/24 05:10 PM
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The problem with any comparison of men's attractiveness to women's is that people just don't think men are attractive. So this "not Chad" could be well above average. Men do it too, but the men I see women call "average" sometimes is just depressing. Actually average men are considered ugly. Men do the same thing of course, but they get called out for it.
/r/PurplePillDebate23/05/24 04:47 PM
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What you've said here is just another theory. I've heard this before that the real reason is because going to the gym gives you more confidence. I simply don't believe that theory.
/r/PurplePillDebate23/05/24 02:28 PM
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What if their relationship ended because their ex died.
/r/PurplePillDebate23/05/24 01:25 PM
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Narrow criteria are a waste of time. You can't control other people. Despite all you do she can always just choose not to date you. It's a bad idea to waste your time trying to appeal to one woman in particular, despite all you do she can always just pick someone else, and now you've become invested for nothing.
/r/PurplePillDebate23/05/24 01:07 PM
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Nothing will attract everyone, so what exactly is there to discuss about that? What applies to the majority is really more valuable to discuss. If you like short fat guys that's of no value to a short fat guy unless you plan to find him yourself and fuck him. In all likelihood he's never going to meet a woman that likes short fat guys.
/r/PurplePillDebate23/05/24 12:55 PM
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I don't think women who step out of the dating pool forever had any interest in men who have to dumpster dive anyway (hence why they have to dumpster dive, they really aren't losing anything since those women weren't an option anyway.
/r/PurplePillDebate22/05/24 11:39 PM
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The obvious answer is that having sex with someone you're attracted to isn't necessarily an option, but it's still better than nothing.
/r/PurplePillDebate22/05/24 11:35 PM
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Only if "failing miserably" means "won't get whichever woman you want, whenever you want", because that's an impossible standard. If you have a more reasonable standard of "regularly dating and having sex", then one size fits all works just fine.
/r/PurplePillDebate22/05/24 11:08 PM
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I'm sure that's true, but given my observations I'm dubious of the claim that looks aren't the limiting factor for as much as 90% of men who struggle. I think looks are exactly the problem for most of them. Women have a tendency to just ascribe positive traits to people they find attractive. Hence the reports of having a bad personality before becoming attractive and then being told you have a good personality after. Lack of physical attraction explains a lot of things actually.
/r/PurplePillDebate22/05/24 10:20 PM
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I don't know about 90% of the time, but I do know enough guys who spend years hearing how their personality is the problem, then they start seeing some progress in the gym and suddenly women like them (often mentioning their personality as the reason).
/r/PurplePillDebate22/05/24 08:58 PM
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The problem with this assessment is people just call every woman beautiful and every man mid. It takes a lot less to be considered a "beautiful" woman
/r/PurplePillDebate22/05/24 08:44 PM
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But it’s been proven that women in leadership positions often face institutional misogyny, What is it that "proves" that? Sounds like a hard thing to prove.
/r/PurplePillDebate22/05/24 10:06 AM
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So you get to decide who's brains are women's and who's are robots? Convenient that.
/r/PurplePillDebate22/05/24 02:05 AM
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It's that it's the answer that's on social media and that it wasn't thought about at all. I don't know how you're going to pretend like it's social commentary as if women weren't twisting themselves into knots trying to use stats to actually (not hyperbolically) justify their decision. It's just the thing to say, there's no thought, no point is being made.
/r/PurplePillDebate22/05/24 01:54 AM
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They're being parrots.
/r/PurplePillDebate22/05/24 01:45 AM
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You don't have to assume they're dumb. They're just lying. Choosing the bear is a trend. I know enough women to know most wouldn't even take a rat, much less a bear.
/r/PurplePillDebate22/05/24 01:44 AM
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What "dad bod" actually means is gonna depend on the women. To some of them a dad bod is anything north of 15% body fat.
/r/PurplePillDebate21/05/24 11:14 PM
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Women on balance don't want sex as much as men, otherwise there'd be more sex. The behavior of gay men, compared to the behavior of lesbians should clear up any confounds. People only say "women are just as horny as men", because they have a need to believe challenges the sexes have are either equal or slanted in men's favor.
/r/PurplePillDebate21/05/24 07:23 PM
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Some women definitely think they will, which I think is the real source of the disconnect.
/r/PurplePillDebate21/05/24 06:03 PM
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I think it's true when we're talking about small age gaps. A man that's 25 is probably gonna have an easier time impressing a woman that's 22 than one that's also 25. With big age gaps through its straight cope, 40 year old women are far less picky than 20 year old women. If you can get a 20 year old woman in your 40s then it goes without saying you could have a woman your own age if you wanted.
/r/PurplePillDebate21/05/24 03:35 PM
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Yeah I've seen it, it's completely logically inconsistent. Once you target a specific type of man, the social conditions the man was raised need to be considered all of a sudden, as if it changes the danger. It's just an insult it really isn't that deep.
/r/PurplePillDebate21/05/24 10:36 AM
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It's just an insult. Most women wouldn't even want to be in the woods with a fucking raccoon, they're just saying the correct social media opinion.
/r/PurplePillDebate21/05/24 09:46 AM
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Bear was chosen because misandry. It really isn't all that deep. There's no real logic, it's just hate.
/r/PurplePillDebate21/05/24 09:43 AM
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Pearl is too ugly to date a man that Pearl would be interested in. She was born rich and makes good money now, because of how women work she's gonna want someone "on her level", but someone on her level can do better.
/r/PurplePillDebate20/05/24 04:49 PM
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I have a very hard time believing you would just be ok if your partner said "Were I still as attractive as I used to be, I wouldn't date you." But, alright if you say so.
/r/PurplePillDebate20/05/24 04:28 PM
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Yes, mentioning it would be the right thing to do.
/r/PurplePillDebate20/05/24 02:43 PM
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It's generally true. Most people are more attractive when they're younger.
/r/PurplePillDebate20/05/24 02:31 PM
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Do you think they should? If you know that would be a deal breaker for your partner, then yes, you should mention it.
/r/PurplePillDebate20/05/24 02:30 PM
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That's not what I'm saying at all. I'm sure he has changed, but if it doesn't matter to you, then it doesn't matter to you. Just because something doesn't matter to you, doesn't mean it can't matter to someone else. If it wouldn't bother you that your formerly fit partner wouldn't have dated you when he was in shape, then it's up to you. It bothers you or it doesn't.
/r/PurplePillDebate20/05/24 02:29 PM
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If you, or your partner don't care, then you don't care and it's nobody else's business. But, given that you know some people would care if would be kind to mention it, if it is the case that you wouldn't have chosen your partner earlier in life.
/r/PurplePillDebate20/05/24 02:03 PM
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Ok? Do you find that to be the case for every woman? "My experience is this therefore..." Therefore what exactly?
/r/PurplePillDebate20/05/24 01:58 PM
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A flipped script would be more like if the guy was fit before and didn't want to date you till he was obese. In your scenario, it's that you improved, not that he degraded. If he said "I wouldn't date you if I was still in shape", I take it you would be upset.
/r/PurplePillDebate20/05/24 01:55 PM
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But what if he never asks about the guys I’ve dated ten+ years ago? See what I mean? This sounds just like a fuck boy "What if she never asks if I want anything more than sex". And on the other hand. If you think she has so little value why are YOU with her? Lol don't turn this on me. If you think it's such a small issue, why all this resistance to mentioning it.
/r/PurplePillDebate20/05/24 01:17 PM
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It is common for women to marry “betas” Is it common to tell them they see them as "betas" cause that's what I was referring to. Ultimately marriage is about being practical and finding someone you can build a life with. Would be nice for both parties to know that we're just being practical.
/r/PurplePillDebate20/05/24 01:15 PM
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Tell him both those things. You know that at least some men care about these things, so doesn't it seem like the right thing to know is to let him know that?
/r/PurplePillDebate20/05/24 01:10 PM
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AF/BB being real is the premise of the argument. If you don't think it's real, then tell OP that.
/r/PurplePillDebate20/05/24 01:05 PM
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So dismissive, it's such a small thing, so say it, since no reasonable person would care. Say "When I was younger I was more interested in more attractive people, but I like you now for different reasons".
/r/PurplePillDebate20/05/24 01:03 PM
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The other way. I've seen women call men lying about interest in a relationship to get sex rape. I've seen them call women being duped into a relationship sex. I already know they don't care what happens to men and wouldn't label it with such a strong word.
/r/PurplePillDebate20/05/24 01:00 PM
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It's great that you feel that way. Not everyone is the same as you. "I personally do XYZ" doesn't really mean much. I'll change my mind on this when it's common, not just because one person did it.
/r/PurplePillDebate20/05/24 12:55 PM
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Yeah, it's such a silly thing, so mention it. He shouldn't care if it's silly. You know how it would make him feel, and that he would be more hesitant to be in a relationship with you given this knowledge.
/r/PurplePillDebate20/05/24 12:53 PM
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Why does it matter if I believe her?. That's between her and her partner. I'm just saying if she doesn't find her partner attractive the morally righteous thing would be to tell him so. Otherwise you're being deceptive and women cry about deception all the time, so you think they wouldn't also engage in it.
/r/PurplePillDebate20/05/24 12:42 PM
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I've seen women ask why do men remain vague instead of very explicitly saying that they don't want a relationship. So I'll reflect the same question here, why not lay it out on the table that you wouldn't have dated him when you were more desirable and then let him decide? If he's ok with the relationship after that , then that's up to him. The "so what" is that he would be less likely to be interested in the relationship if it was laid out, and you know that. It's manipulation to get what you w…
/r/PurplePillDebate20/05/24 12:22 PM
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I've seen women ask why do men remain vague instead of very explicitly saying that they don't want a relationship. So I'll reflect the same question here, why not lay it out on the table that you wouldn't have dated him when you were more desirable and then let him decide? If he's ok with the relationship after that , then that's up to him. The "so what" is that he would be less likely to be interested in the relationship if it was laid out, and you know that. It's manipulation to get what you w…
/r/PurplePillDebate20/05/24 12:20 PM
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Being willfully ignorant and being lied to aren't mutually exclusive. I can choose to accept an obvious lie, but I've still been lied to. People do flat out lie about how much they value looks. They don't want to appear shallow.
/r/PurplePillDebate19/05/24 11:17 AM
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I literally brought up a second truth. Yes, you brought up a second truth in an attempt to diminish the first truth by comparison. You're not simply observing that both women and men do bad things. You're justifying women doing bad things by pointing out something men do that you perceive as worse, deflecting the criticism towards men. That's why it's called deflection.
/r/PurplePillDebate16/09/22 05:08 PM
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Two things can be true. What you're doing is called deflection.
/r/PurplePillDebate16/09/22 07:30 AM
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Be hotter
/r/PurplePillDebate14/09/22 01:45 PM
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Some, not a lot, but some. Have had a few girlfriends and even a FWB one time.
/r/PurplePillDebate01/07/22 07:32 AM
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Idk what you mean, my mom says I'm handsome all the time.
/r/PurplePillDebate01/07/22 07:29 AM
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A better question is why coincidentally, every man they don't want, also only wants sex.
/r/PurplePillDebate26/05/22 12:41 AM
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Doesn't matter. Point is, men you aren't attracted to aren't men, in fact I'd go as far as to say they aren't even people. You know it's not ok to talk about people as if they weren't people. I'm sure you wouldn't like someone to say you don't count as a woman because of your repulsive whatever. If anyone has ever done this to you, you know it's wrong, so why do it to other people?
/r/PurplePillDebate25/05/22 09:09 PM
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Guns and bitches obviously.
/r/PurplePillDebate25/05/22 08:49 PM
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May as well ask what's the point of the sub.
/r/PurplePillDebate25/05/22 08:41 PM
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Yes women have it easier in dating. No, men don’t get sympathy points. Do you see this commonly conceded? Cause usually this is denied.
/r/PurplePillDebate25/05/22 07:38 PM
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Realizing this would require women to concede that they have even 1 thing slightly easier than men do. Which they cannot do, because they actively hate men they aren't attracted to and thus refuse to see life from their point of view.
/r/PurplePillDebate25/05/22 07:29 PM
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So women see Reddit men as women? 😂 They don't even see them as people. I've seen women in this sub compare men to: Crack heads Pigs Dogs Literal Garbage Then they go on to wonder why the men are bitter.
/r/PurplePillDebate25/05/22 07:23 PM
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Straight up, the men you are talking about, including and especially the ones HERE, do not count as men or as options. I sincerely hope you weren't one of the women pretending to not understand the last time a thread came up saying that women don't view men they aren't attracted to as men.
/r/PurplePillDebate25/05/22 07:15 PM
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Women want relationships, men want sex. Blatant incompatibility, thus, not an option. I mean, you don't know that. Get to know some of the guys, maybe you'll like them. If they aren't willing to wait to have sex, then just find the next one. I don't understand how people claiming to be struggling can immediately dismiss a massive pool of available options off hand. It's almost as if you're not really struggling.
/r/PurplePillDebate25/05/22 07:03 PM
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He's going to have to show interest. Otherwise he'd be blind siding her. He's not going to treat her like one of the boys if he wants to date her. Doesn't need to be extra nice, but if doesn't flirt, compliment or otherwise show he's interested that's not going to get him what he wants. It wouldn't make sense to just one day out of thin air to ask her out.
/r/PurplePillDebate24/05/22 04:02 PM
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Maybe Tommy shouldn't be that intense in the first place? Tommy needs to treat Sally differently if he wants to be in a relationship with her. I'm not sure what we're suggesting he do differently. If they are already friends and he wants a relationship and she does not, then they have an irreconcilable disagreement. Nothing wrong with still being friendly beyond this point, but I don't see how the two can really continue to be friends. The only thing Tommy could do is to make his interest known …
/r/PurplePillDebate24/05/22 03:43 PM
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I believe the point of space is to think about whether or not you still want to be friends. If you could guarantee that you'd still want to be friends, I don't know why you'd need space.
/r/PurplePillDebate24/05/22 03:30 PM
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Sally hasn't done anything wrong, but realistically Tommy just isn't going to be able to keep the same energy once he's been rejected. Being friends with someone who rejected you is hard, because at some point your friend is going to find someone else, and if you're still single and interested, it's like getting the message: "All these men I'm dating, even the ones who I speak poorly of, are better and more attractive than you". I think it's best for Tommy to turn down the intensity of his relat…
/r/PurplePillDebate24/05/22 03:24 PM
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keep trying, keep aggressively hitting on me and eventually I'll wear down I mean, this does work sometimes. Not saying it's a good thing, but every once in a while it works out.
/r/PurplePillDebate23/05/22 08:22 PM
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Could be, I think psychologically we're too complicated for any drive to be solely internal. But, I think I know what you mean.
/r/PurplePillDebate22/05/22 06:28 PM
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but it can be because for example you like the way a more muscular body looks, so you aspire to be that So I kinda get that for guys that are already in shape. Like pro builders who are clearly lifting because they love lifting or competing. But for someone who after 20 - 25 years of life suddenly decides they want to get in shape, it's hard to believe something isn't influencing the change. Not necessarily women, but something.
/r/PurplePillDebate22/05/22 06:19 PM
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Yeah, I never really understood what people mean about changing for themselves. Changing is hard and the only incentive to change is external pressures being harder.
/r/PurplePillDebate22/05/22 06:09 PM
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I think it's more that men are less likely to say no to a relationship. Because there isn't always another option.
/r/PurplePillDebate22/05/22 03:29 AM
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Why is a high N count in a man considered desirable but in a woman it's gross? Why do women pretend not to understand this? You know why. As a woman all you have to do to have a high N count is yell "FREE SEX" every other night. The man you're with is not going to feel attractive, especially if you're now making him wait. If a man has a high N count, it's because women find him attractive. Women have deemed him superior to the lower N-count man.
/r/PurplePillDebate22/05/22 03:07 AM
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Because women tell them OLD is bad and not to hit on your social circle. Women say literally everything is bad, you can't take what they say on the subject seriously. If you don't talk to strangers, then you're not going to build a social circle. The woman cringes at the man approaching her because she doesn't find him attractive, and that's all there is to it. I don't know why they make up these ridiculous excuses.
/r/PurplePillDebate22/05/22 02:55 AM
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No one is requiring men to approach strangers. They could establish a social circle and a social life. You can't establish a social circle without talking to strangers, unfortunately. Have some conversations, get to know people. Without talking to strangers? Many women do, but they tend to be more interested in men they share common interests and common experiences with. How do I know she's not lying?
/r/PurplePillDebate22/05/22 02:47 AM
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Because men use any and every opportunity to start a conversation with women and they are usually lying. Why is this a problem? Sometimes I swear women talk like they aren't attracted to the opposite sex. Someone looks for an excuse to approach you and for some reason this offends you?
/r/PurplePillDebate22/05/22 02:41 AM
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Women are allowed to feel more in general. I feel a lot of guys are a little numb to their emotions. Sometimes I'm a little surprised by how much women express their feelings, since I mostly interact with men. I know I'm gonna get disagreement but a lot of women really don't like when men express weakness. Some of them will try to shut you up, others will just appear disgusted.
/r/PurplePillDebate22/05/22 02:33 AM
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I can see Gen X being like that honestly. I know that men giving oral was kind of looked down upon when I was growing up, at least that's how I heard older guys talk about it. I've never had sex without giving oral though (gets orgasms more consistently than anything else). My friends don't share intimate details of their sex lives with me, but I'd be shocked if they didn't do the same (I could be wrong though). In my experience women seem to take quite some convincing before they'll give head t…
/r/PurplePillDebate22/05/22 02:21 AM
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Week 1 Woman: Hey, how are you? Can you help me with XYZ. Me: Sure Helps with XYZ Week 2 Me: Hey do you wanna catch a movie this weekend. Woman: ... Week 5 Woman: Hey can you help me with XYZ Better than no interaction though.
/r/PurplePillDebate22/05/22 02:07 AM
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Worst part is I don't even think they did it because they thought we were ugly. They did it just because we were awkward. But I guess women respond to social hierarchies as much as they do to looks.
/r/PurplePillDebate22/05/22 02:02 AM
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Yeah when I was still in school me and some of my friends used to get "eeews" just for saying hello. Haven't seen it happen in adulthood though.
/r/PurplePillDebate22/05/22 12:30 AM
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I haven't gotten an ewww since highschool, but I still feel it.
/r/PurplePillDebate22/05/22 12:27 AM
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You're really not getting what I'm saying. The poster said women don't understand what average is. Women on the post literally do not know what he's talking about. If women don't register unattractive men as even existing how are they supposed to acknowledge that there is a problem. Women do understand that if they were disfigured or morbidly obese or whatever men wouldn't talk to them. Looking at it from that angle should help them understand what the poster means. Because as OP said, women onl…
/r/PurplePillDebate20/05/22 07:58 PM
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Lol, I concede that the expression is a little different, but you do have to appreciate that the context is a little different. Women ugly or otherwise aren't going to reach out to most men. There'd really be no point in posting your standards as a man, it can't help you, it can only hurt you. Women do tend to be harsher on unattractive men, but it probably has something to do with how much they interact with them. Women do have higher standards and less tolerance for unattractive men. But I thi…
/r/PurplePillDebate20/05/22 07:29 PM
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Lol I wasn't arguing it wasn't an advantage. I'm just saying men and not women don't behave that differently in how they treat people they aren't attracted to.
/r/PurplePillDebate20/05/22 07:13 PM
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I don't think I agree that most guys aren't like this. It's just that men find a broader cross section of women at least somewhat attractive. Most men probably find most of the women they know are attractive. However if the woman is like 200lbs overweight she may as well not exist. It's the same behavior women have, it's just that women find fewer men attractive.
/r/PurplePillDebate20/05/22 07:03 PM
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It's an overstated position. Women don't count men they aren't attracted to as men. Not as high as 90%. Men do the same thing, when men say they're struggling dating women they mean women they are attracted to, women they aren't attracted to don't count at all.
/r/PurplePillDebate20/05/22 01:50 PM
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Personality is going to have a pretty big impact on whether or not the woman will be willing to date you, so you're going to have to assess it on some level.
/r/PurplePillDebate20/05/22 01:09 AM
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I feel like this is a common refrain, but isn't necessarily true. I think depending on the individuals tolerance for abuse and the level of abuse their partner dishes out, some people may prefer to be with an abuser than single.
/r/PurplePillDebate19/05/22 07:59 PM
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I've seen quite a few women on this sub complain that men who do cold approaches are either disgusting, terrifying or both. I really don't think they're good and bad ways to meet partners. If the woman finds you attractive any approach is good. If she doesn't find you attractive every approach is creepy or bad.
/r/PurplePillDebate19/05/22 03:25 PM
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I hang around nerds, and many of them I'm sure are still virgins. But they don't act like online men seem to. The obvious answer is that they don't voice these takes in public because they understand it would be bad for their social life. Reddit is anonymous.
/r/PurplePillDebate19/05/22 04:43 AM
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I date nerd men. Some are just better than others. What can I say? Up your nerd game. Nerd girls exist that don’t want footballer “Chad”. Since we're both on Reddit, I assume you too are a lifelong nerd. You must know that in any group of nerds, the boys far outnumber the girls, based on the ratio, I don't see how this can be a reliable strategy.
/r/PurplePillDebate19/05/22 04:39 AM
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Hard, but not the worst. I've had sex with 2 women and kissed 5 over the course of 28 years. My first kiss and girlfriend was at 21 so kind of a late bloomer. I don't really know how to make friends as an adult and I've pretty much run out of available college/highschool friends who I can attempt to rekindle connections with (which is what I've done so far). Poor mental health, small social circle and I'm pretty overweight. Realistically it's going to be 2 maybe 3 years of work before I see any …
/r/PurplePillDebate19/05/22 04:34 AM
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I don't know if I'll go as far as to say women are addicted to social media, but they are generally more into it than men and nobody really complains about that. And you definitely implied that woodworking was a more valid hobby than video games.
/r/PurplePillDebate18/05/22 02:37 PM
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More attractive men likely have more practice too, so this makes sense to me.
/r/PurplePillDebate17/05/22 09:30 PM
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Agreed also try to join a club and a sport and stick with them as long as they interest you. If/when you get bored with them, then try something new.
/r/PurplePillDebate17/05/22 01:34 AM
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Easy, stay inside and play Elden Ring or League of Legends all day every day for the next 14 years. I don't know why you think developing into a person just happens. You have to go out and meet people, take risks, learn skills and find hobbies. There's nothing automatic about it.
/r/PurplePillDebate17/05/22 01:26 AM
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“Work on your personality” is advice for a 30 year old man with no hobbies or interests, or someone who is a selfish unlikeable asshole. Not a teenager. Every 30 year old man was once a teenager who didn't work on their personality.
/r/PurplePillDebate17/05/22 12:53 AM
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"Just be yourself" is also just something people heard on TV, so anyone who actually gives that as advice is no better.
/r/PurplePillDebate16/05/22 07:29 PM
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Sure. But you can see that isn't necessarily "easy". Unless you casually fly to Columbia whenever you feel like it.
/r/PurplePillDebate16/05/22 07:15 PM
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i do not engage in play of words. Might want to get off Reddit then, that's all that happens here.
/r/PurplePillDebate16/05/22 06:29 PM
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$200 - $300 an hour and risk of jail time, but alright.
/r/PurplePillDebate16/05/22 06:22 PM
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I mean, if the toothless crackhead didn't offer anyone else a toothless blowjob, then maybe a little. Since you think guys cold approaching you are akin to crackheads though, I see why it doesn't matter to you.
/r/PurplePillDebate16/05/22 05:16 PM
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It does nothing for my ego, and I'm confused about how that helps yours. I don't get what you're confused about, being frequently selected by women is going to be validating. they will pester the next 50 women, too. Would you feel differently if they were only "pestering" you? Cause I think what you're missing is that not everyone has people of the opposite sex approach them, so if you're getting a lot of attention, while your peers are not, it's gonna make you feel special.
/r/PurplePillDebate16/05/22 04:55 PM
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I think a lot of the time "asshole" just means not bending over backwards to please women and is not actually someone being an asshole. I think it's a pejorative thrown at more successful men out of envy. Men with options are gonna act like they have options so they're less prone to "simping", I don't think that makes them assholes.
/r/PurplePillDebate15/05/22 07:20 PM
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Well if you're not hungry you're not going to be motivated by food. You're going to be motivated by the need that's not being met. I don't understand how some men AND women go mad if they don't get laid for 2 months (while not in a relationship, they just want sex from ANYONE) as though masturbation is not a thing. Because they like sex and masturbation probably doesn't satisfy them the same way a partner does.
/r/PurplePillDebate15/05/22 03:02 AM
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I took until the middle of my 20ies until I first experienced first hand that women can be actually sexually attracted to me. In case anybody is ever confused, this is why some men have a hard time believing women actually like sex.
/r/PurplePillDebate14/05/22 08:20 PM
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I don't know much if any "pornsick creepy frustrated guys" tbh. What makes you think they'd say anything about their frustrations to you ? It's pretty embarrassing to struggle with dating, few people are going to willingly advertise their struggles and risk alienating their friends.
/r/PurplePillDebate14/05/22 07:48 AM
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These are not equally challenging situations. If most of the water in the swamp is dirty, why do we expect that most of the water in the desert is clean? Being able to interact with more potential partners obviously increases your chances of finding a suitable partner.
/r/PurplePillDebate14/05/22 07:39 AM
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You could say the same thing for guys. If they stepped out of their comfort zone, they could get more dates. You're not wrong, but you must realize that if you're a conventionally attractive woman, you could get a date if you wanted to. If you tried at all you'd get a date, so it's hard to say that's not an "easy time".
/r/PurplePillDebate14/05/22 07:32 AM
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It sounds like literally the same thing to me. You're not willing to date this person, but you're willing to keep them around for some reason. I'm sure lots of men will keep a woman they know is interested in them as a "friend" so they can use them for sex. It's also pretty common for women to keep male "friends" around because they know they can get gifts or services out of them. In either case, whoever is being rejected needs to get a backbone and not allow people to use and abuse them.
/r/PurplePillDebate14/05/22 07:02 AM
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Sure but that's going to happen after the 5 stages of grief that men on the sub are constantly playing out, if they ever get to acceptance.
/r/PurplePillDebate13/05/22 12:03 AM
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Don't need to teach something that is already instinctual. That was kinda my point though, some kids do need help with socialization, but they don't even realize it's a problem until they are practically adults.
/r/PurplePillDebate12/05/22 11:58 PM
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Maybe, it's not like I'm slinging a study at you. But work on social skills is advice I only ever see given to adults, almost never children.
/r/PurplePillDebate12/05/22 11:49 PM
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My bad, I think I wasn't clear enough in what I was trying to say. The men you see crying the most about women on Reddit were probably all start students growing up. Because that's what they put their focus into, because that's what they thought was important. Upon becoming adults they're only now realizing that they should have instead spent more time socializing and less time trying to be Braniac. Developing your social skills is going to be significantly harder as an adult because you and eve…
/r/PurplePillDebate12/05/22 11:41 PM
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Yes, but this is something that's only obvious in hindsight. People grow up focusing on grades in school, so they can get a high paying job. The importance of having a large and thriving social life is often downplayed. "It doesn't matter if the other boys are more popular, just continue to be kind and work hard." Now as an adult, it's clear that these things were meant to console/pacify you (Or that the adults at the time didn't know better), but more tough love, and less time in the books woul…
/r/PurplePillDebate12/05/22 11:25 PM
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I've noticed that the only women I've heard that seem to understand the difficulties of dating for men are women who are close with their brothers. I remember I was surprised when a woman told me about a certain type of party where women aren't as picky about who they dance with. And another that thought it was completely unfair that men were expected to pay for dates, despite the fact that both people supposedly enjoy each other's company, rather than a man having to pay for the privilege of th…
/r/PurplePillDebate12/05/22 11:09 PM
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Probably relatively, we're significantly taller than our ancestors. Probably stronger too honestly. We just don't live warrior lifestyles anymore.
/r/PurplePillDebate12/05/22 10:54 PM
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Yeah what the hell is up with the men thinking women don't date or have sex with normal guys? The majority of guys I've had sex with, dated and had relationships with have been pretty average and normal, and not a Chad super model. Sub probably skews a little young. This is just my observation, but at highschool age, there really does seem to be only a few boys that girls are interested in at all. If that's your only life experience it really is gonna seem like you have to be something special t…
/r/PurplePillDebate12/05/22 10:41 PM
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Women will choose what’s desirable to them, so it is subjective, some times not necessarily “good/worthy” as you would expect. Depends how you define "worth". Unfortunately women's attention is probably the most honest barometer for worth you're gonna get. When women are choosing other men and not choosing you, it's going to be very difficult to get up in the morning and tell yourself "you know what, I am awesome". Truth is, the only group of people who are making decisions based on the worth of…
/r/PurplePillDebate12/05/22 10:21 PM
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Most couples I know under the age of 30 met in school. They didn't necessarily start dating in school, but they met in school. I know of a few meeting through work, and very few through dating apps. But from what I've seen school seems to be the most popular way.
/r/PurplePillDebate11/05/22 10:28 PM
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Unless you can't get dates... Which is exactly the point. It's more difficult for men to get dates in the first place.
/r/PurplePillDebate10/05/22 08:34 PM
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How do you tell the difference? If I wanted to use a woman for sex I'd do this secret technique I have called "lying". Also, nobody would date you if they didn't want sex. Most guys are going to try and get sex through a relationship. So the question really just comes down to whether you as a woman want a relationship with them or not.
/r/PurplePillDebate10/05/22 08:27 PM
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I know they had options, because I saw them. I'm not saying your partners in particular don't have options. I'm just saying you shouldn't assume by default that men do have options. As do most men, because we live in a monogamous society with a 50-50 gender ratio You can only date women you have access to, women don't just come to men. It isn't difficult at all to exhaust all the women in a smaller social circle, and thus have to put in effort to get more. Women don't have this issue because men…
/r/PurplePillDebate10/05/22 08:17 PM
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I don’t believe in dating at gunpoint or out of desperation That's real easy to say when you have options. If had rejected any of my partners, they could have hit up any of the other single women who were available. Assuming there are any available that would have them. Your default assumption is that this is true, but it isn't necessarily the case.
/r/PurplePillDebate10/05/22 07:50 PM
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Ok, so you do realize that there's more going on than just asking you out then. If you rejected one of your partners, he'd have to either try cold approaching, or work to expand his social circle. If your partner wasn't attractive, he will just get more rejections, he'd instead have to work to become attractive. To have options means, that if you say "no", he can just get someone else.
/r/PurplePillDebate10/05/22 07:44 PM
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So, anyone could just walk up to you and say "wanna go out sometime?" and you'd say "yes!"?
/r/PurplePillDebate10/05/22 07:39 PM
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There was an "or drink themselves to death" clause.
/r/PurplePillDebate10/05/22 07:33 PM
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Reality agrees with you. However, women are pickier and have more options than men. This happens because men are the ones who put effort into approaching women, and most men don't do enough work to have enough options. Women don't have this problem, because men are approaching them.
/r/PurplePillDebate10/05/22 07:18 PM
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It is the standard for most women. Men will have sex with an ugly girl, because sex is sex. In your opinion are most women ugly? Cause at least in my opinion, I don't think most people in general are ugly. . But nearly all my male friends only seem to notice the top 20% of women. People in general are going to put in more effort for a more attractive partner. Personally I'm not likely to approach a woman unless I'm very attracted to her because: I assume it's gonna be a no from most women regard…
/r/PurplePillDebate10/05/22 07:03 PM
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I think that's perfectly understandable. Still means this "not repulsive" thing is not reality though.
/r/PurplePillDebate10/05/22 05:52 PM
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I agree. However, "not repulsive" is clearly not the normal standard then. If "not repulsive" was the standard, then being "not repulsive" would be enough to get dates with the majority of women, which it clearly is not.
/r/PurplePillDebate10/05/22 05:41 PM
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I like the standard switch from "not repulsive" to "incredible".
/r/PurplePillDebate10/05/22 05:33 PM
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