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What promises?
/r/PurplePillDebate27/06/20 01:17 PM
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Really showing everyone your true colours now aren’t you ;-) Did you really just tell me to « learn how to read » when in the last few hours you have asked me to simplify my English because you couldn’t understand it !!! Ha ha ha you are funny. Anyone would think you are doubting the strength of your own arguments? So to come back to your thread title... is Red Pill nonsense or common knowledge? It can’t be both. Even though you have said it is?
/r/PurplePillDebate27/06/20 10:32 AM
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I see. So maybe it’s a case of different aims. I’d rather teach the well groomed nice guys to be attractive when maybe you’d rather teach the big hulking oafs some hygiene ;-)
/r/PurplePillDebate27/06/20 09:57 AM
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This may come as a shock to you but: a) you are not the world. You understanding something at any age does not make it common knowledge. b) again you understanding something at any age does not preclude this understanding being the basis of a later movement or praxeology.
/r/PurplePillDebate27/06/20 09:52 AM
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That’s interesting. Are you implying that women withhold a certain type of sex from their life partners out of a kind of respect? If I don’t reply I’m busy penning « how to make your partner lose respect for you in 7 easy steps »
/r/PurplePillDebate27/06/20 09:40 AM
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Be careful not to equate stylish and well groomed with attractive. I was stylish and well groomed in my teens didn’t make a blind bit of difference. In my hometown which was admittedly rough, a lack of grooming and hygiene was no barrier to relationships provided you were bad or perceived as such.
/r/PurplePillDebate27/06/20 09:37 AM
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That’s a strange place I would’ve thought to get style tips!? Surely they have attracted her by then?! For every man who is clueless about hygiene and style there is 1000 who are clued up on hygiene and style but clueless about the mechanics of female sexual attraction. It’s crazy how these outliers keep getting mentioned. They are statistically insignificant.
/r/PurplePillDebate27/06/20 08:54 AM
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« TRP is mostly nonsense » « TRP claims are not based on factual evidence » (I mention some that clearly are) « That’s not TRP » It’s not hard to detect your sophistry mind :-) But what I’ve said about women being forced into selecting dominance IS red pill. We all know it. Contrast with blue pill of everyone is unique/someone out there for everyone/the love industry etc etc. Either you’re misrepresenting red pill or you’ve misunderstood it? All it is, is cutting through the crap, the theory, ho…
/r/PurplePillDebate27/06/20 08:49 AM
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It’s mumbo jumbo but obviously I’ll let you off ;-), I’m a philistine speaking only one language unfortunately. You say my theory (well it’s not « mine » but we’ll run with it) is false? Could you elaborate on that? I explain how evolutionary pressures have forced women to sexually select the most dominant Male available to her in any given circumstance - do you disagree and why? Also. And this is something I hear all the time and it makes me laugh every time. Do you seriously think, our average…
/r/PurplePillDebate27/06/20 07:18 AM
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For a start I have a feeling no one will be countering anything you said! No you actually get warned that this is knowledge you may not really want, may actually not benefit from in every case and that it can lead to rage, sadness and depression. Have you heard of « the bitter taste as of the red pill »? If so how do you interpret it?
/r/PurplePillDebate27/06/20 07:09 AM
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What’s « a theory with absolutely zero vindication » ??? And let’s take your average nice guy. I’m not talking about the nice guys feminists have created to plug the holes in their own theories but the bloke who lacks the je ne sais que to be attractive. In the parlance of English common law he’s the « reasonable man ». Are you seriously suggesting to me right now that he never thought to take care of his appearance? What basics and common sense is he lacking?
/r/PurplePillDebate27/06/20 07:04 AM
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Also if you are as well acquainted with Red Pill as you claim to be, have read it, understood it, you couldn’t possibly describe it’s « feel good ideologies » in an honest manner. You’re not even trying very hard here are you?
/r/PurplePillDebate27/06/20 06:55 AM
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You can’t have written that with a straight face!? I certainly couldn’t read it with one. Red Pill giving style tips now lol. Try a better angle of attack.
/r/PurplePillDebate27/06/20 06:48 AM
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Ok I’ll bite lol. And I mean lol. You have a young woman. She sees 10 men. Fortunately for us they are named Mr 1 to Mr 10 in numerically ascending order and even more fortunately for us this naming accurately denotes their place on the dominance hierarchy. She goes for Mr 3. Mr 7 takes exception to this. And murders them both - her and Mr 3. Genes die. Rewind. She goes for Mr 7. It’s fine for a few years then Mr 9 gets lonely, kills the couple and the child. Genes die. Rewind again. She goes fo…
/r/PurplePillDebate27/06/20 06:42 AM
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Oh there’s definitely similarities. Don’t get me wrong. But men are more fluid in their sexual arousal. Less of a challenge in this particular area. Yeah the porn star or whatever may stir something in him but he will be happy if his wife loves him enough to want to please him sexually in her own way. Stereotypes do not come from nowhere - men are more easily pleased sexually. No in this context best is not subjective. But it’s a useful argument if you’ve lost sexual interest in your significant…
/r/PurplePillDebate27/06/20 04:49 AM
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There isn’t one. TRP believes most if not all of this hidden knowledge is not hidden knowledge at all for women. Although I do know there was Game guide for girls but to be honest it was comical and cringeworthingly obvious and basic amounted to “don’t be a lazy shit in LTRs”: “Just because you now see him as you’re husband, don’t forget he still likes to see you as his naughty girlfriend sometimes” Seriously.
/r/PurplePillDebate26/06/20 03:15 PM
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You’re marriage was definitely not representative. Good on you though!
/r/PurplePillDebate26/06/20 03:02 PM
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Women are like water ;-)
/r/PurplePillDebate26/06/20 02:59 PM
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It’s inevitable. And actually may not be calculated or malicious at all. That said no woman should be marrying a man she is not willing her sexual best to. It’s like me marrying and holding back something she holds dear. Which obviously shouldn’t be happening either.
/r/PurplePillDebate26/06/20 02:58 PM
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I don’t know how anyone can admire someone who goes for the low hanging fruit? And seeking sexual attention off men has to be the lowest hanging fruit of all. Open goal.
/r/PurplePillDebate26/06/20 02:52 PM
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For me at least, the Pareto principle here applied is a great metaphor of sexual desire. Not reality. Not relationships. 20% of men are “sexually” desirable. A goodly proportion of the other 80% are desirable enough to enter into relationships because women like other things as well. 80% of women are sexually desirable. But not all for relationships.
/r/PurplePillDebate26/06/20 02:50 PM
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Lack of apparent interest.
/r/PurplePillDebate26/06/20 02:45 PM
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Only when I’ve been in relationships which says a lot about female sexuality I’ve always thought.
/r/PurplePillDebate26/06/20 02:43 PM
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Like all such terms it takes a truism and exaggerates it for comic effect. Of course having 100, 50 or 0 previous sexual partners is going to massively impact how you view/treat your next one. It wouldn’t make any sense otherwise.
/r/PurplePillDebate26/06/20 02:42 PM
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Yes you’re right. Even if a women marries the great and elusive Chad, her sexual appetite would sharply decrease after the first few months. That said what TRP drives at is women not giving their sexual best to their husband. Which bizarrely I’ve heard women think is no big deal. Well it’s not “for them” maybe. You must separate attraction and arousal also. To men attraction and arousal are almost interchangeable. To women they tend to differ more. She may be attracted to him overall, even more …
/r/PurplePillDebate26/06/20 02:34 PM
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Also I’d add it’s got nothing whatsoever to do with sincerity. Those awkward teenagers genuinely thought you’re hot. And that chiselled player definitely doesn’t think you stand out from the crowd, despite the few nice things he’s muttered.
/r/PurplePillDebate26/06/20 02:22 PM
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Why are you here?
/r/PurplePillDebate26/06/20 02:12 PM
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It’s completely subjective, relative to the SMVs of both involved. Interestingly, for many, particularly young women, with relatively high opinions of themselves... if a bloke who said woman is on the fence about (given your terminology), gives her a compliment it will almost always cement his position as hypergamically inferior hence unfuckable. That said, if you are approaching a nicer girl, and one who maybe sees you as a bit out of her league, then a well executed compliment can bowl her ove…
/r/PurplePillDebate26/06/20 02:04 PM
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There aren’t any we’re open books
/r/PurplePillDebate13/06/20 01:34 AM
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Utterly pointless asking both genders. It’s like night and day / apples and oranges
/r/PurplePillDebate13/06/20 01:33 AM
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I was a nice guy and a great actor :-)
/r/PurplePillDebate13/06/20 01:32 AM
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Yes. Hence bye bye chastity and early marriage / hello 15 years of « freedom »
/r/PurplePillDebate13/06/20 01:31 AM
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The issue we have is historically/evolutionary, women have needed to play/charm far more men than they flirt with, which again is far more men than they sleep with. Men don’t share this. So growing up may not understand this. Also when you grow up learning about consent etc taking all of it in though chances are you were a good person anyway - then in school or clubs seeing women react with something exceeding delight from being groped in the most disgusting manner ... well again hard to underst…
/r/PurplePillDebate13/06/20 01:25 AM
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Why would you blame yourself for you own lack of charisma? Or women?
/r/PurplePillDebate08/06/20 02:59 PM
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Ha ha you’re on a forum you donut.
/r/PurplePillDebate08/06/20 01:44 AM
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Does this actually happen IRL? I’m tempted to say if only it were that easy with women ;-)
/r/PurplePillDebate08/06/20 01:09 AM
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Sexual Market Value and just Value aren’t the same thing.
/r/PurplePillDebate08/06/20 01:08 AM
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If he’s got manners don’t tell him you spent your teens chasing drug dealers.
/r/PurplePillDebate08/06/20 01:05 AM
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A lot of Red Pill is bravado. Some of us just wanted to know why not nice sweet us, why the men with hideous personalities (and worse hygiene) and then settle down into a relationship.
/r/PurplePillDebate08/06/20 01:04 AM
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It’s not exactly hard to be attractive once you see attraction for the ugly, selfish demon that it is.
/r/PurplePillDebate08/06/20 01:01 AM
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30s is great. At 33 I get vibes from just about every age. At 17 when I was actually insanely fucking horny, it was nonexistent.
/r/PurplePillDebate08/06/20 12:58 AM
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It’s comments like this which reinforce my belief that men and women will never truly understand each other.
/r/PurplePillDebate08/06/20 12:56 AM
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You never even « disliked » women? Really? Not for a short while? Was it rejections interspersed with approvals? And if not how many years of flat our rejections? I’d similarly say same to women mind. « What you’ve NEVER disliked men? »
/r/PurplePillDebate08/06/20 12:53 AM
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I know where you’re coming from. But believe me they aren’t happy mostly. And I don’t know how old you are but if it’s 16-25ish yeah it will appear that way but things will soon change and they’ll be getting as pissed off feeling insecure next to bubbly 19 year old girls as you did when they were the bubbly 19 year old girls.
/r/PurplePillDebate08/06/20 12:50 AM
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You don’t believe there are negative effects of sexlessness? Did I get that right? You’ve got to be either female or an alpha Male :-)
/r/PurplePillDebate08/06/20 12:39 AM
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Good question. And I suppose I hated women, « low-key » as you say, in my teens because they kept romantically excluding me oftentimes to then include a boy who before, during and after was everything they hated. I say hate I never consciously outwardly expressed this I was far too nice. Yes absolutely I would turn it off now. And make a time machine and turn it off at 13 too. Somerset Maugham: The Male libido is like being chained to a madman. It’s also a curse if couple with poor mental health…
/r/PurplePillDebate08/06/20 12:36 AM
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« Even if you want one, act like you want them all » This next one is actually accepted as a sporting cliche when facing top class opposition, but a bit spicy for dating; « Don’t show them too much respect »... this goes for individuals and the whole gender. Notice I didn’t say be disrespectful. « Never act like they are your everything/one » Just off the top of my head. The Red Pill absolutely slaughters Blue Pill in dating. Relationships not so much.
/r/PurplePillDebate08/06/20 12:23 AM
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Glad you have « unconsciously » in there. It’s certainly not deliberate. Both Pills lack nuance. No one wants to sleep with Softy McBlue or have a long term relationship with Hardie McRed. I think choosing the right woman mitigates this unfortunate truth somewhat. Whether she’s in love with you / Sees you as her hypergamic superior lessens the need to be the complete unyielding rock all of the time. But women don’t love men unconditionally and weakness can still terrify them even in the above ex…
/r/PurplePillDebate08/06/20 12:12 AM
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100% agree. It’s the one who leverage sex which are the players.
/r/PurplePillDebate30/05/20 09:54 AM
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Oh good. Thought you may be pointing out the error of my ways or similar.
/r/PurplePillDebate29/05/20 05:45 AM
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Eh?
/r/PurplePillDebate29/05/20 05:42 AM
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Nah it’s easier to just learn game. How do you know all women are fine? I saw one get arrested recently she looked in an awful state spitting and swearing...
/r/PurplePillDebate29/05/20 05:31 AM
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Hmmm... I prefer proud manospherian but I’ll answer. In bullet point form for some reason: Suits my lifestyle (antisocial deep down) I’m too sensitive to enjoy ONSs It just suits my personality Tongue firmly in cheek... if they are all the same then why go through the hassle of many ;-) Laziness Comfort Love my family Love her (though I probably have a different concept of love than in my naive and very lonely teens - not from the manosphere - that saved me.... but from learning the cold reality…
/r/PurplePillDebate29/05/20 01:28 AM
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I think, sexually yes. But in the same way people from the 1st World compare themselves to the 3rd World... I.e they don’t - they don’t go round thinking « oh how lucky am I »... they just look at hotter girls and alpha men and still feel like shit a lot of the time.
/r/PurplePillDebate28/05/20 05:33 PM
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Oh come on ;-)
/r/PurplePillDebate28/05/20 08:17 AM
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Definitely. Feminists attack the very hierarchies they use to know who to fuck.
/r/PurplePillDebate27/05/20 10:36 PM
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I think it only matters to you how you proceed. Only thing I’d say is today’s low effort person could well have been yesterday’s too keen/needy person who life taught to play it cool or try hard n die hard. Or maybe they just don’t fancy you or are not nice people. Who knows :-)
/r/PurplePillDebate27/05/20 11:06 AM
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Interesting and enjoyable. And correct I think. As much as many like to think every man is at least perturbed by a high n count woman I think you’re right many who never struggled do think « yeah we had our wild years », part to avoid hypocrisy and part as it’s no longer socially acceptable to frown at plus the drastic options limitation. And right to point out that there is a middle in men. Sometimes we almost talk of either Chad or Incel. But there are a great many « naturals » who are just th…
/r/PurplePillDebate27/05/20 02:40 AM
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Growing up I hated most things, none more so than myself. The inherent ugliness/shallowness/unfairness of the socio-sexual hierarchy did bother me considerably, that said. I think everyone needs to realise that it’s a joke we’re all in on. It’s largely genetic and predetermined and absolutely not personal. I use the word « largely » above deliberately... you can improve your lot by using game for example but there’s no blank slate and you can’t ask the dealer for another hand.
/r/PurplePillDebate26/05/20 11:48 PM
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Nail on head.
/r/PurplePillDebate26/05/20 09:40 AM
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As many have said here better than I; I think what is behind the CC metaphor is the realisation that the average woman by 30 will have had significantly more sex than the average man. Or to put it less crassly - the average woman, relatively, has lived on a different planet to the average man, romantically speaking, through adulthood. It’s also one of the things that most women appear to really struggle to believe or accept. My fiancé simply will not believe this and thinks men are just as bad a…
/r/PurplePillDebate26/05/20 09:38 AM
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In all honesty... as much as I did genuinely and utterly hate the rejections and loneliness of my teens... it eventually forced me via down a route of self help and mental well-being which has meant I’ve had an awesome mid-twenties and thirties. Although would’ve been rather convenient to be attractive and ultra horny at the same point in my life ... to put it mildly :-). It definitely overall long term improved my social skills.
/r/PurplePillDebate25/05/20 01:00 PM
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In terms of it being an entitlement to a particular person I agree. I just know the opposite of entitlement is how I and many used to feel. Maybe I’m mixing entitlement and worthiness up slightly but I’d rather shy guys n gals aim too high than low I suppose is my point.
/r/PurplePillDebate25/05/20 11:40 AM
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You’re reminding me of Mark Manson! Entitlement may not always be nice but it’s never got in the way of someone winning affection. It’s quite precisely the opposite of the problem in young people. Nice guys n gals don’t feel entitled to anyone - that is literally and succinctly their problem. I hope you feel entitled to the affections of a nice partner. And everyone else.
/r/PurplePillDebate25/05/20 10:33 AM
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I never asked any girls for nudes. I also had only one sexual experience from age 13-21. I’d like to think there’s no connection. But...
/r/PurplePillDebate25/05/20 05:10 AM
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Absolutely. Even second rate philosophers (or even I) will tell you pleasure seeking behaviours are a path only to suffering... never to happiness or peace.
/r/PurplePillDebate24/05/20 10:48 PM
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Men who tend to not know many women tend to think too highly of them. The Cock Carousel, as I understand it, is a deliberately crass and funny metaphor which aims to give these naive young men some context and specifically a counterpoint to previous pedestal thinking. No one think every girl is like this.
/r/PurplePillDebate24/05/20 10:43 PM
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You’re using the word entitlement incorrectly. Entitlement is good. Entitlement is confidence, boldness, action... if you are entitled you feel worthy and display a host of attractive behaviours some of which I’ve listed above. The problem we see today more commonly is a lack of entitlement... people not feeling good enough display a whole host of self-defeating behaviours which are interpreted as unattractive. If you were entitled to them, you wouldn’t be needy or keen would you? No you’d be co…
/r/PurplePillDebate24/05/20 10:24 PM
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Nightclubs being one of these phenomena.
/r/PurplePillDebate24/05/20 05:04 AM
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That they aren’t as nice as when they were forced to be so ;-)
/r/PurplePillDebate24/05/20 12:20 AM
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Weirdly, I agree with the thrust. But Redpill rage/regret/depression is unattractive men wishing they didn’t need the systematic approach having spent years doing what they felt getting nowhere.
/r/PurplePillDebate23/05/20 02:32 PM
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It’s a common red pill trope the used up post Waller deservingly alone but I’m afraid it’s not true. Sexually attractive women, aging/kids whatever almost never struggle per se. Exes or men in their circle may avoid them but all she has to do is look outside this. Don’t get me wrong sometimes she may well have to lower or standards BUT this isn’t the same as being washed up completely. Although to somewhat contradict myself having options acceptable to her ego she is very different from having n…
/r/PurplePillDebate23/05/20 01:45 PM
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Im afraid it’s a bit of a fantasy. A decisive blow to justice/karma whatever but sluts never have a problem marrying. Some men avoid some sluts. But sluts have no problem marrying.
/r/PurplePillDebate22/05/20 05:36 PM
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Yes I was. Although this was way before Red Pill existed and came from the Pick-Up era and specifically after reading Strauss’ The Game. I worked on my posture, body language, learned what the general mass considered « confident » (mostly things I considered ridiculous) and being naturally good looking and well dressed I went from unattractive to attractive almost overnight. It introduced me to Tony Robbins and finally to Stoic Philosophy so was another 5-7 before I had what they call inner game…
/r/PurplePillDebate20/05/20 12:14 PM
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Where do you live? Where I grew up ... brute strength > everything. Of course muscles and ripped over muscles and fat. But the rugby physique far more popular than a handsome man who didn’t have a body that screamed danger. I’m surprised you have experienced otherwise. In my experience handsome but average body is « sweet » and « nice » territory.
/r/PurplePillDebate20/05/20 12:04 PM
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Are you seriously suggesting it’s a blank slate?
/r/PurplePillDebate20/05/20 04:56 AM
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Thé m’en you’re describing don’t have women for Chad to steal.
/r/PurplePillDebate20/05/20 04:53 AM
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If desirability to you is a player then this is probably good advice. To many young girls, men are attractive precisely because they don’t want long term relationships. This is not so subtle flex of options. Unattractive young men always want relationships. We knew our luck would come in once at best and having experienced that many rejections/much sexual invisibility ... ensures one does not « love the chase », it being an exhausting and humiliating confirmation of low status. You do realise ga…
/r/PurplePillDebate20/05/20 04:43 AM
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No it’s worse. I my teens it was the catalyst for a downward spiral of rejection, loneliness, worthlessness, depression which almost lead to suicide. Now I’m in my thirties I could live without it to be honest.
/r/PurplePillDebate19/05/20 06:03 AM
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Occam’s Razor ... the simplest explanation is most likely. I stopped because I was quite romantic believing we all had a unique essence and someone will love me for me... and after so many rejections I thought my unique essence was one of incomprehensible unattractiveness... after weighing up the evidence that was the only conclusion in fact and I was sure of it. Then I read « The Game » learned how to act in a manner that I perceived as ridiculous and not unique, but which I was assured others …
/r/PurplePillDebate19/05/20 05:35 AM
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Yes exactly this. The way i got over it was strangely to rob them of their agency and realise they like me are slaves in this game and don’t have a master key either. I think when you first unplug it feels a joke everyone was in on but you. Then you mature and realise we are all part of the joke except some had a better hand than others growing up.
/r/PurplePillDebate19/05/20 05:15 AM
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It’s entirely natural to feel this way. Don’t let anyone on here tell you it isn’t. Because they’d be lying. Also women lack the capacity to empathise with Male romantic loneliness because a) Being sexually invisible to a great majority doesn’t sound bad to them - in fact it may be ideal... in their game it’s quality not quantity and only a minority qualify anyway and b) they only understand libido based on their own... which is minuscule in comparison. You’re right that it’s not their fault. Bu…
/r/PurplePillDebate19/05/20 04:59 AM
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