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I know it's not about women's dual mating strategy. I was saying the phenomenon OP tried to pass of as MWC - putting women into 2 categories - is a dual mating strategy for men.
/r/PurplePillDebate28/07/26 05:13 PM
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Yes. But in the manner I described, not in the way OP tells it. It's not common either. While it's as not ridiculous as the Oedipus Complex, it's still pretty silly. Although Freud had some groundbreaking ideas, he also had a few duds.
/r/PurplePillDebate28/07/26 05:06 PM
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For the millionth time, that's not what Madonna-Whore Complex is. MWC doesn't involve 2 categories of women. It's about a man's perception of his woman changing when she has children (or permanently commits to him in general). The same woman stops being a whore that he wants to have sex with and becomes a paragon of virtue for whom he has far more respect and admiration but far less desire. Splitting women into 2 categories, one for sex and one for relationships, is just a dual mating strategy.
/r/PurplePillDebate28/07/26 04:45 PM
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You're getting me mixed up with somebody else.
/r/PurplePillDebate27/07/26 06:52 PM
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The original comment has now been deleted, but the guy was talking about men with truly ugly women, so I was drawing a parallel with that, rather than the "not everyone's cup of tea" type we were talking about a few days ago. There are women with men that most of their friends don't find attractive but they're obsessed with, and there are women with men who nobody including them find attractive. The first category is definitely bigger, though.
/r/PurplePillDebate27/07/26 06:28 PM
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You're moving the goalposts from "finding attractive" to thinking they're beautiful.
/r/PurplePillDebate27/07/26 06:07 PM
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I don't think any men are attractive. I find women attractive because I'm straight. That's the way it works.
/r/PurplePillDebate27/07/26 05:41 PM
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We were talking about a specific subset of women: those with an unattractive man. There are plenty of women with attractive men, and I'm sure they actually like the person they're with. I bet some of the ones who settle like the man they're with too.
/r/PurplePillDebate27/07/26 05:38 PM
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There's nothing superficial or awful about not wanting to be lonely. Being alone is horrible for a lot of people, and it's perfectly logical to accept reality and pursue the least worst option. The problem is when the woman (or man - this may be more common amongst women, but it's by no means unheard of amongst men) resents her partner and makes it obvious she's settled for him. But as long as that doesn't happen, I wouldn't say her choice was "wrong".
/r/PurplePillDebate27/07/26 05:22 PM
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That's because she settled for him. Because, contrary to the prevailing narrative on this sub, a lot of women don't like being alone. They'd rather be in a relationship with an imperfect man they're not really into than be single.
/r/PurplePillDebate27/07/26 05:04 PM
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Roster indicates multiple items.
/r/PurplePillDebate27/07/26 07:45 AM
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That first statistic you brought up is utterly horrifying That study has been debunked.
/r/PurplePillDebate26/07/26 11:38 PM
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Would you consider approaching someone you don't know to be coercion? Because that study (of a massive 60-odd people) considers approaching someone you don't know to be coercion.
/r/PurplePillDebate26/07/26 11:36 PM
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Which is appalling enough on its own, and if it was a decent sized sample (it had only 60-odd male respondents, IIRC) it would be cause for concern. But why do shitstirrers radical feminists try to use the study to claim that 95% of men are sexually coercive? Do they truly believe that approaching someone you don't know is coercive? Or are they willing to use any trick to push their narrative and drive division?
/r/PurplePillDebate26/07/26 11:26 PM
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That's the study that classes approaching a woman you don't know, asking a female friend to introduce you, and using money and status to impress as forms of coercion. I've seen some shite posted on here by both blue and red pill, but that study is possibly the most ridiculous and dishonest basis for an argument I've encountered. Anyone who actually reads and then endorses its value is an imbecile at best and a troll at worst.
/r/PurplePillDebate26/07/26 10:35 PM
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What about pensions? Not everyone is lucky enough to be born into the American upper middle class, you know.
/r/PurplePillDebate26/07/26 12:54 PM
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Dosage of any drug - not at all. Dosages are always catered to small men and average sized women. Diagnosis - not at all. Screening programs exist for breast cancer, cervical cancer and I believe ovarian will be introduced soon. No male specific illnesses are automatically screened. Funding - absolutely not. Breast cancer alone dwarfs everything male specific. Let me guess, you're going to pull the baldness treatment "stat" out of your arse. Well, don't bother. Like impotence, it's funded privat…
/r/PurplePillDebate26/07/26 12:51 PM
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The big picture is healthcare in general, not pregnancy related healthcare. What you could've said, if you weren't determined to be biased and hold onto victimhood with all your might, is that "women's healthcare is now superior to men's in all but one area: pregnancy". That would still support your argument, and it wouldn't make you look blinkered and bitter, like your references to healthcare 50 years ago. Of course, biased and blinkered is kinda your thing, so I'm not exactly holding my breat…
/r/PurplePillDebate26/07/26 12:35 PM
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You started talking about women's medical care in general first. If you don't want someone to expose the weakness of an argument, don't make that argument.
/r/PurplePillDebate26/07/26 12:23 PM
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I didn't say women's healthcare is perfect. I merely said that in some ways it's better than men's, especially mentally. Nor did I claim women are rich everywhere, just that poverty is not gendered. Women might be more financially constrained and dependent in some places, but men are far more likely to end up homeless or be forced into crime, so neither side has it truly better. At no point did I say women don't lie about their issues. They feel they're getting the shitty end of the stick, so th…
/r/PurplePillDebate26/07/26 11:49 AM
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I think for women as a whole work is a novelty and a lesser evil. Not for them personally, because most will have worked all of their lives, but generationally. Their mothers and grandmothers tell them they're lucky they can go out to work; they tell them horror stories about alcoholic, abusive (often shell-shocked from Vietnam or WW2, to be fair) men, and the expectation to have 5 kids or more. Men have been working for more powerful men for centuries, unabated. Unless we're wealthy or work for…
/r/PurplePillDebate26/07/26 11:35 AM
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Who said that we need to maintain that number or that we need to increase it? Unless the plan is for everyone to off themselves when they get old, we need people to look after the elderly and pay their pensions. I'm no fan of overpopulation, but managing it isn't as simple as just turning off the tap. Women are not studied More research money is spent on breast cancer than all male specific cancers combined. Then you've got uterine cancer, ovarian, cervical... In the past, female healthcare was …
/r/PurplePillDebate26/07/26 10:58 AM
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Women work too. Except they don't use it as an excuse to avoid doing anything at home Some of them do. There are plenty of mothers who've never cooked a meal and give their toddlers iPads so they can spend all day on Instagram. Your algorithm doesn't tell you that, though, because it knows you'll click on man-hating stuff like an obedient little sheep. No one cares about your personal experiences I don't expect them to "care"; I'm just refuting your bullshit. You choose to live in a place that's…
/r/PurplePillDebate26/07/26 10:47 AM
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Childcare is boring, unpaid work, which is why men try to delegate it to the nearest woman at every turn Do you think it's any more boring than working on an assembly line? Or in a call centre, or as a bricklayer? I did more practical care of my now adult children than my wife, and I assure you that spending time raising my children was far more fun and more fulfilling than "adding value" for my corporate overlord. Even when my kids were little, I'd rather be wiping shitty arses and sterilising …
/r/PurplePillDebate26/07/26 09:50 AM
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Men have a roster A tiny fraction of men, ~1%, are attractive enough to have a "roster". This is another case of apex fallacy.
/r/PurplePillDebate25/07/26 08:58 PM
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Most men acknowledge that some of us are very, very bad. Most women don't acknowledge that some of them are very, very bad. Science has proven that in-group bias is far stronger amongst women, and that intra-sex competition is far more prevalent amongst men.
/r/PurplePillDebate25/07/26 04:20 PM
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But sure, keep pretending it's about "morality." Most men don't bother with the moral angle nowadays. It's the correlation between promiscuity and high divorce rates that gets pushed most of the time.
/r/PurplePillDebate25/07/26 02:38 PM
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A lot of men were already pissed off with women, so it appealed to them. Men naturally compete with other men; some men don't care about screwing over other men if they feel it benefits them. Just like a lot of people were already racist, so Trump appealed to them, and some people hate everyone, so evangelical Christianity appeals to them.
/r/PurplePillDebate25/07/26 01:10 PM
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Your grandmother—and maybe even your mother We're not talking about the past; we're talking about now. Women are still disproportionately victims of sexual violence, still have to consider their physical safety in ways men usually don't Men are far more likely to be victims of violence overall. How many times have you been hospitalised by physical attacks? It's 4 times for me, and I'm a big, strong bloke. Most of the bones in my face have been broken, and I almost died at one point. Plus there h…
/r/PurplePillDebate24/07/26 05:19 PM
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I disagree with a lot of the red pill stuff, but with regards to leverage, I believe the way they see it is that blue pill tactics give all of the leverage to women, so if one side's going to have leverage, they'd rather it be the men. A middle ground would, of course, be better, but it's highly unlikely for the average man to enter a relationship where a power dynamic isn't working against him.
/r/PurplePillDebate24/07/26 12:33 PM
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Who's upholding toxic masculinity?
/r/PurplePillDebate24/07/26 11:20 AM
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You don't need to be systemically oppressed to be mistreated. Involuntarily being born as a man doesn't make one a valid target for animosity. Discrimination based on immutable characteristics is inherently unfair.
/r/PurplePillDebate24/07/26 10:23 AM
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You can do this with any prejudice or bigotry. Is it antisemitism or lived experience? Is he a misogynist or have women treated him badly? Does she hate black people or has she had bad experiences with them in the past?
/r/PurplePillDebate23/07/26 09:12 PM
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That's insane. Where do they get these ideas from?
/r/PurplePillDebate22/07/26 08:42 PM
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Come to think of it, you're right. I have seen men claiming stuff like that. They're idiots.
/r/PurplePillDebate22/07/26 07:42 PM
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The previous poster said men get their conclusions about women liking attractive men from the manosphere. The 2 + 2 bit was me saying men can work it out for themselves by looking at the world around themselves.
/r/PurplePillDebate22/07/26 07:17 PM
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Looks are part of attraction. They're not the be-all end-all, but they're pretty important. And yes, different women have different types. But within those types, some men are more attractive than others - partly because they're better looking - and women will understandably be more likely to go for the more attractive ones.
/r/PurplePillDebate22/07/26 06:33 PM
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I've never seen a man say he can detect promiscuity. The only reason we know about it is because, for reasons unknown, some women think it's a good idea to tell us. Face filler, maybe, but that's purely a visual thing. If you're not rich enough to afford a top class surgeon, it's not going to be perfect. The high divorce rate has a number of causes. Some women not being "good" is one of them, but I reckon women settling for men they're not really into is much more impactful. Like Chris Rock said…
/r/PurplePillDebate22/07/26 06:01 PM
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But if their automatic response is "looks" because of their believing manosphere content What if their automatic response is "looks" because men are frequently being told by women that looks are a major factor? On this sub, we're constantly hammered with "Duh! Are you stupid? Obviously women only date men they're attracted to. How do you expect us to date men we're not attracted to? Why did you ever think that women weren't interested in looks? Are you stupid? Duh!" Unattractive men see women wi…
/r/PurplePillDebate22/07/26 05:49 PM
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superpowers to detect bad personalities in men Their powers are limited. Seemingly, they only detect men who say misogynistic things online, or men who object to misandry. Serial killers, sex pests, narcissists, prolific adulterers... No. It's a highly-specific skill. Extremely useful if you want a man who's happy to he compared to wild animals, but less valuable if you want a man who doesn't act like a wild animal.
/r/PurplePillDebate22/07/26 05:27 PM
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I'd refute that point, but I don't understand it.
/r/PurplePillDebate21/07/26 10:53 PM
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Most of the sub - and the real world - disagrees, unfortunately. That's why we're constantly being told that "most women are beautiful, but most men are ugly" and that there's a "chopped epidemic". Nobody's talking about arousal and masturbation. We were discussing one person in particular, who said he's not attractive to women, but he didn't say why. Rather than asking him to clarify, you assumed he was claiming women aren't attracted to good men and accused him of misogyny. Which is the sort o…
/r/PurplePillDebate21/07/26 10:52 PM
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Playing fast and loose with the word "evidence" there, Lillth.
/r/PurplePillDebate21/07/26 10:29 PM
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As we are repeatedly told on this sub, women want attractive men, and attraction is non-negotiable. If he's unattractive, it doesn't matter how good or honest he is. If you think acknowledging this is misogynistic, there are a lot of bluepillers and feminists who tactlessly remind the less attractive among us of this harsh reality every single day. Maybe you could start calling them out too.
/r/PurplePillDebate21/07/26 10:03 PM
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But he didn't even say "women don't like good honest men". He said women don't go for men like him.
/r/PurplePillDebate21/07/26 07:22 PM
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it’s misogynistic to claim that women don’t like honest good men It's misogynistic to claim that all women don't like honest good men. Besides, he didn't say any women don't like honest good men. He said he's not the kind of man women want to date, but he doesn't say why. Why have you claimed he said something he didn't?
/r/PurplePillDebate21/07/26 06:46 PM
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Agreed. Equality goes both ways, the good and the bad.
/r/PurplePillDebate20/07/26 07:36 PM
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If a man and a woman with matching criminal records and identical mitigating/aggravating factors both commit the same crime, the man's sentence will be harsher by approximately 30% on average.
/r/PurplePillDebate20/07/26 07:19 PM
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OK. Good luck with your BF. I'm in a good mood at the moment so won't be partaking in the debate.
/r/PurplePillDebate20/07/26 05:22 PM
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OK. Well, I hope things improve. Look after yourself.
/r/PurplePillDebate20/07/26 05:19 PM
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So you assumed all men your age were like that because one of them was?
/r/PurplePillDebate20/07/26 05:00 PM
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Of course, but I've never seen them say it's because they're so small that they're undetectable.
/r/PurplePillDebate20/07/26 01:56 PM
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I know it can stretch a great deal, but what if it's starting capacity is a little bit larger than usual? So even when it's at its minimum size, it's still a bit... slack. I've been with my wife for over 23 years now, so I can't really remember too much about other women.
/r/PurplePillDebate20/07/26 01:49 PM
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I've never seen a man say they can't feel breasts that are below a certain size, so I think we're comparing bananas and melons here.
/r/PurplePillDebate20/07/26 01:44 PM
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Is that a common side effect?
/r/PurplePillDebate20/07/26 01:40 PM
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I didn't mention myself. I'm above average anyway, but thanks for your concern.
/r/PurplePillDebate20/07/26 01:35 PM
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RP and RP-adjacent men usually have listened to women at some point, but they've not been told the truth so have stopped believing what they're told.
/r/PurplePillDebate20/07/26 01:26 PM
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I read somewhere that size queens prefer large genitalia because they're overly-roomy down there. If this is true, is it not a "self-own" to insist on above average members? Maybe a regime of pelvic floor exercises would fix the issue.
/r/PurplePillDebate20/07/26 01:22 PM
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I'm against big age gaps if one side is particularly young. I know 2 couples that started with a 16 year old girl (legal in the UK, but only just) and a 30 year old man; they're 20 - 25 years older now. One couple is fairly normal, apart from him looking old enough to be her dad, but with the other, the man is a bit of tyrant. Not physically abusive, but very controlling. While she seems to be happy, it's obvious he's conditioned her to be submissive to him. What he says goes, with no exceptions…
/r/PurplePillDebate19/07/26 08:23 PM
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Women get ~25% lower criminal sentences than men, for the same crime with the same criminal record. British feminists continue to push for more disparity, with some calling for a complete end to imprisonment for women. As mentioned by OP, identical work is marked lower for boys at school in the UK. Schools and education in general are heavily female dominated. Men in Ukraine are not permitted to flee the country; women are. Norway's feminist government reinforced this by barring male Ukraine ref…
/r/PurplePillDebate19/07/26 01:29 PM
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Your socioeconomic class? I'm working class, and we've never not had at least a washer. Maybe it's a location thing, because even unemployed people permanently on benefits have them here. I get that there's more to it than remembering a date, but do you, or any woman for that matter, truly spend 240 minutes per week dealing with birthdays and medical appointments? It just smacks of competitive oppression to me. I do the majority of housework due to my wife's ill health, and I do more hours at wo…
/r/PurplePillDebate19/07/26 11:59 AM
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Do most people where you are use laundromats? It's pretty rare here. If so then obviously that's a different matter. My point is that the data on this is often unreliable, like the study that allocates 2 hours per week to making doctor's appointments and 2 hours per week to remembering birthdays.
/r/PurplePillDebate19/07/26 11:46 AM
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I'm pretty sure when they include laundry, they count the time the clothes are in the washing machine/tumble dryer. As though they're supervising the appliance and not watching TV or on their phones.
/r/PurplePillDebate19/07/26 06:59 AM
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Don't forget the 2 hours per week they spend making doctor's appointments.
/r/PurplePillDebate19/07/26 06:52 AM
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Nor has anyone ever died due to the gender pay gap, or mansplaining, or slut-shaming, but that doesn't stop feminists complaining about it.
/r/PurplePillDebate19/07/26 12:20 AM
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Several points to make: A lot of men can't improve due to disability, poverty etc. Some women don't like "improved" men; they want a natural, not someone who's had to work on themselves. Men are judged on their performance , but they're also judged on their looks - as every woman on here will tell you - and personality. Obviously, it's easier to only have to qualify in two areas like women (looks and personality) rather than three like men. Everybody wants to be accepted for who they are. Being …
/r/PurplePillDebate19/07/26 12:07 AM
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They're like the people who say they're trying to lose weight, only to order a supersized Big Mac meal with Diet Coke.
/r/PurplePillDebate18/07/26 07:01 PM
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You don't have kids, do you?
/r/PurplePillDebate18/07/26 06:08 PM
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I didn't need to mirror and apply to my kids because my answer was implied by my "speak for yourself" comment. You read that answer, assumed I was talking about my parents, and then I told you I wasn't. So I'm not sure why you need me to answer again, but since I'm in a good mood: Yes. I would love my kids no matter what. Parents who actually love their kids will agree. They might hate what their child has done, but they'll still love the child.
/r/PurplePillDebate18/07/26 05:59 PM
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I don't know or care. I'm talking about my own kids.
/r/PurplePillDebate18/07/26 05:33 PM
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the issue is even parents don't feel this way for their children Speak for yourself.
/r/PurplePillDebate18/07/26 05:31 PM
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Why are you saying "nope"? I acknowledged and accepted your remarkable transformation from pick-me-pretty-please to cognitive dissonance exposer.
/r/PurplePillDebate18/07/26 05:23 PM
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Ah, I see. So it wasn't just a bit of whataboutery, grasping at any straw available even if it's a pathetically biased study, just so you could don your shining armour and save the damsels of PPD in their hour of need. You were making a point about trusting studies. When did you make this switch from blue pill sychophant to enlightened pragmatist?
/r/PurplePillDebate18/07/26 04:56 PM
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No crickets from me. I've pointed out quite plainly how you hate men, just a couple of comments ago. If you honestly believe it's reasonable to claim a majority of 18-34 year old men are coercive based on an 86 participant study with a ludicrously low bar for coercion, then you hate men. No ifs, buts or maybes. I'm not interested in what somebody else said about compliments. Even if your only contribution to the sub was your OP about the least reliable study to ever be posted here, it would be s…
/r/PurplePillDebate18/07/26 03:39 PM
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Because you're a repeat offender. Recividism will always be judged more harshly. And your study, even by PPD standards, is painfully weak. Be honest - did you actually read it? Do you truly agree that approaching a stranger is a form of coercion? Or that having a female friend present is a form of coercion? Why do you allow women so little agency?
/r/PurplePillDebate18/07/26 03:27 PM
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95% of 86 men between 18-34. How much internalised misandry do you need to have to generalise over a billion men based on the thoughts of 86 (eighty-six) men? Have you even read the study? It classes targeting someone you don't know as "coercive". Out of those 86 men, how many are guilty of the terrible offence of pursuing a stranger? I've seen some self-hating bullshit on here from BP men, but this has got to be the worst of the lot.
/r/PurplePillDebate18/07/26 02:22 PM
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If you accepted reality, you'd be past the venting stage. Women can definitely be horny for men - I'm not a particularly attractive man, but I've had a couple in the past who were obsessed with me.
/r/PurplePillDebate18/07/26 01:38 PM
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You said they don't think about men. A woman doesn't have to approach men for her to be thinking about them. No offence, mate, but you'd be better off accepting reality rather than protesting against it. Said reality being that unless you're a celebrity, extremely attractive or very rich, women won't approach you. You can complain about fairness all you like, but it won't change anything. Either learn how to approach, or drink/take drugs to gain false confidence. If you were truly red pill, you'…
/r/PurplePillDebate18/07/26 01:11 PM
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It changes your post because it disagrees with it. Have you never heard of ovulation? For a few days, once in every 4 week cycle, all but the most frigid or man-hating of hetero women become interested in men, if they're not on birth control. My answer was a bit of a joke anyway. Many women like men, and some women are a little too into men.
/r/PurplePillDebate18/07/26 12:40 PM
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Think about men. Your OP said "women don't think about men", so when I answered with "they do", that's me saying "they do think about men". For a few days a month.
/r/PurplePillDebate18/07/26 10:19 AM
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Most of them do, for 2 - 3 days every month.
/r/PurplePillDebate18/07/26 06:26 AM
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Perhaps it's just the language and tone that's misleading. I've heard women talk about certain women (and men) so effusively, so enthusiastically that the natural inference is lust. Especially when it becomes more graphic and more focused on intimate body parts.
/r/PurplePillDebate17/07/26 11:02 PM
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Fair enough. I've been on and off for about 7 years, but your username didn't look familiar. Maybe just because it's generic. I knew She's a Carnival sounded familiar. I thought it was a bit weird for there to be another racist, Trump-loving, middle-aged woman who inexplicably types like a 10 year old.
/r/PurplePillDebate17/07/26 10:10 PM
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Democracy has only been commonplace for a tiny fraction of human history. Your opinions - and, no doubt, a good portion of your misandry - are based on a fleeting period of time in a limited number of places. There are countries like China that have existed for millennia without true democracy. Billions of human beings have lived under theocracies and absolutist monarchies, in which a handful had any power whatsoever. We should put your picture in encyclopedias next to the entry for "apex fallac…
/r/PurplePillDebate17/07/26 03:58 PM
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Which was also the case for 99% of men. 100% if you lived under a traditional feudalist monarchy. Were men victims of misogyny too?
/r/PurplePillDebate17/07/26 03:36 PM
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Men get ball-ache sometimes, but we volunteer for more because we actually like women.
/r/PurplePillDebate17/07/26 03:08 PM
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A lot of feminists agree with the historical angle, though. They love to bang on about how powerless, passive and meek women were in the past, like their knowledge of history is based on Jane Austen novels.
/r/PurplePillDebate17/07/26 02:38 PM
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When they talk lewdly about a stranger, yes. Unless they actually do want to fuck him/her there and then, which according to the women in this thread, virtually never happens.
/r/PurplePillDebate17/07/26 02:16 PM
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That must be the circles you frequent, because that's not typical male behaviour.
/r/PurplePillDebate17/07/26 02:14 PM
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Sure. It must be performative lust, then.
/r/PurplePillDebate17/07/26 11:35 AM
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Maybe some women express themselves weirdly, then. By saying, "I'd love to sit on her face" rather than "she's hot".
/r/PurplePillDebate17/07/26 11:34 AM
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I can do both. I don't tend to wax lyrical about how sexy a woman is unless I'm lusting after her, and even then, it's in my head. Because who wants to hear that?
/r/PurplePillDebate17/07/26 11:32 AM
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I didn't say anything was broken. Merely that I'll only assume a woman is lesbian if she bangs on about how gorgeous all women are and how ugly all men are. I'm not sure if you're on here much, but we hear that a lot.
/r/PurplePillDebate17/07/26 11:30 AM
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I only assume as much when women say they never instantly lust after men, but they do with women. The "90% of women are hot, 90% of men are ugly, but I'm still hetero" crowd who chime in from time to time.
/r/PurplePillDebate17/07/26 07:45 AM
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Nothing would surprise me at this stage.
/r/PurplePillDebate16/07/26 10:03 PM
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By "passionate", I meant besotted, intensely desirous and affectionate. Of course women can have different feelings for different men. But their strongest feelings should be reserved for their husband/life partner. Otherwise, what's the point?
/r/PurplePillDebate16/07/26 05:57 PM
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I was just answering your question; I don't ask women to do anything painful. Reluctance is an instant turn-off.
/r/PurplePillDebate16/07/26 05:53 PM
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I fucking knew it.
/r/PurplePillDebate16/07/26 05:22 PM
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The man she marries and settles down with should get the most passion, surely. Maybe not all the time because marriages have ups and downs, but it's a sorry state of affairs if the "one guy" she's not as passionate about is her husband.
/r/PurplePillDebate16/07/26 05:15 PM
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I managed to suppress them for about 17 years with my wife. She never suspected a thing and couldn't believe it when I eventually confessed. Some people, especially men, are extremely good at hiding their feelings.
/r/PurplePillDebate16/07/26 05:05 PM
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I don't make threats.
/r/PurplePillDebate16/07/26 05:02 PM
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Oh, I didn't realise you'd had sex with my wife before and knew how to get her off. Got any other tips? We've only been together for 23 years, but I'm sure you know best.
/r/PurplePillDebate16/07/26 05:01 PM
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I don't whine. I decide whether the situation is worth losing my wife and kids over, and I act accordingly.
/r/PurplePillDebate16/07/26 04:39 PM
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It's a good job that, like most men of a certain age, I've spent most of my life repressing my emotions. So a woman would never know I have such thoughts.
/r/PurplePillDebate16/07/26 04:36 PM
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What's the longest uninterrupted period of time you've spent performing cunnilingus? I broke my jaw years ago, and it always aches after 10 minutes or so. My wife doesn't know this, because if I told her, it would ruin her experience. Sometimes it only takes a minute, sometimes 30.
/r/PurplePillDebate16/07/26 04:34 PM
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A woman who has different libidos with different partners is just as problematic. You can rationalise it with all the sympathetic language you want, but if she's consistently less intimate with one man than usual, she's not as passionate about said man. Trying to censor discussion about this by declaring it a "huge red flag" is misguided at best and malicious at worst.
/r/PurplePillDebate16/07/26 03:29 PM
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Male sacrifice is OK. Female sacrifice is not OK.
/r/PurplePillDebate16/07/26 03:15 PM
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Sounds like you're projecting someone you dislike onto OP, because he gives no indication any of that is the case.
/r/PurplePillDebate16/07/26 02:48 PM
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He doesn't mention she was a "fuck doll" against her will. The fact she talks about oral sex with her new man (digitally) in front of the ex she wouldn't have oral sex with suggests she's a bit fucked in the head. Of course, as you suggest, OP could be deliberately omitting details, like the "fuck doll" relationship being abusive, or filling in gaps with the least charitable explanation. But surely when we're being told someone's story, we should just take their word for it? What's the point of …
/r/PurplePillDebate16/07/26 02:43 PM
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When you get a top 1% badge here you also get a keyboard with keys that instantly print "entitled", "nobody owes you anything", "well the just leave", "it is your personality" I'm still working towards that honour. Mine's going to have the various fallacies hotkeyed onto it too.
/r/PurplePillDebate16/07/26 02:22 PM
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Still not made your mind up, I see. Either fairness is relevant (your second statement), or it's not (your first statement). Just admit you've contradicted yourself and you're arguing for the sake of it.
/r/PurplePillDebate15/07/26 11:53 PM
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The things they try to change benefit them once they're changed. Things that don't benefit them are just a case of, "sorry, sucks to be you I guess"
/r/PurplePillDebate15/07/26 11:50 PM
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liking someone isn’t based on fairness Liking people is unfair Make your mind up.
/r/PurplePillDebate15/07/26 11:38 PM
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If that's the case, how is "life's unfair" relevant to the topic at hand?
/r/PurplePillDebate15/07/26 11:24 PM
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That doesn't explain why a feminist, someone who wants the patriarchy overthrown because it's unfair, is willing to answer with "life's unfair - deal with it" when it's not her dealing with the unfairness.
/r/PurplePillDebate15/07/26 10:43 PM
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“Life is unfair” is the first lesson children have to learn If we're supposed to accept that life is unfair, why do feminists - or activists of any kind - try to change society for their own benefit?
/r/PurplePillDebate15/07/26 10:34 PM
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If we do it enough, they'll just magically learn how to be an ideal partner and women will love them and they'll be happy Or they'll add themselves to the statistic that heavily favours men. The one that is usually answered with "but women attempt more!"
/r/PurplePillDebate14/07/26 07:00 PM
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The question isn't whether men are intrinsically more faithful; it's whether they are more faithful in practice.
/r/PurplePillDebate14/07/26 05:17 PM
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They were always the same until recently, when for the first time women cheated more in the 20 - 30 age bracket. There's no reason that won't be the case in the next generation, and there's no reason current twenty-something women will stop cheating in their 30s.
/r/PurplePillDebate14/07/26 05:15 PM
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The ones in their 20s will be in 30s soon, so women between the ages of 30 and 40 will be more likely to cheat too. Will the next generation of twenty-somethings be the same, with women more likely to cheat? Judging by how much easier it is for them to date and therefore cheat, the trend will probably continue. If I was going to bet money, in 40 years, it'll be higher cheating numbers for women across the board. Temptation is just a couple of swipes away now.
/r/PurplePillDebate14/07/26 04:24 PM
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Not below the age of 30.
/r/PurplePillDebate14/07/26 04:16 PM
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Many men will knowingly waste time and energy on women who they know that if they didn't always pay for dates and spend money on them, they wouldn't like them Traditionally, men had to do this even with women who were just as interested. When women quickly caved in to temptation, they were called easy, and they risked pregnancies they couldn't get rid of. Therefore, the concept of men slowly chipping away at a woman's defences was normalised. Nowadays, in the West, promiscuity in women is seen a…
/r/PurplePillDebate14/07/26 10:23 AM
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I've said this in the past but was told I'm just a deluded ugly man 🤣
/r/PurplePillDebate13/07/26 04:03 PM
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Is this proposal about improving birth rates or enacting revenge for the past?
/r/PurplePillDebate12/07/26 05:00 PM
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Definitely. But I'm talking about ones that do get into LTRs.
/r/PurplePillDebate12/07/26 02:50 PM
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Compared to your man, you probably are!
/r/PurplePillDebate12/07/26 02:48 PM
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look at who most women are happily dating, guys who don’t exactly look like models nor are they rich Something I observed long before the advent of red pill is that, generally speaking, women end up with objectively the least attractive man they ever sleep with. With men it's usually the reverse. These women insist their men are handsome, while also claiming that all of their friends are with unattractive men. Even though they're of similar attractiveness to their own men. Eventually they divorc…
/r/PurplePillDebate12/07/26 12:31 PM
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I'm not sure it would change libido. It took 5 minutes to load a single image online when I was young, and porn mags were all soft core, but I don't think my drive could've been any higher. As you say, overall happiness is probably a factor. Male porn stars are like machines: physically impressive in every way, immune to impotence and premature ejaculation, and irresistible to women (on screen). As you suggest, it's not conducive to high self-esteem to compare yourself to sexual tyrannosaurs.
/r/PurplePillDebate12/07/26 11:01 AM
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This is interesting, and not that surprising to me. The main difference is that IMO men use porn as crutch; they use it more compulsively due to higher libido, whereas with women it seems to be more of a pastime. Also, just so know, stigmata refers to the spontaneous appearance of bodily wounds, scars or pain that correspond to the crucifixion wounds of Jesus Christ. The correct word is stigma.
/r/PurplePillDebate12/07/26 10:40 AM
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regular, even boring female character made easy to identify as Just like the female leads in the Twilight and 50 Shades adaptations. Plain, dull blank slates.
/r/PurplePillDebate12/07/26 10:18 AM
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They're mainly criticised because they're atrociously-written. Unless you're including the input of religious weirdos, in which case you're grasping at straws.
/r/PurplePillDebate12/07/26 10:13 AM
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someone can make a strong case the toxic online posting is worse They can make a case, but it wouldn't be a strong one.
/r/PurplePillDebate12/07/26 07:22 AM
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Terrorists are usually mentally ill too. The belief that your cause is so important that people need to die is a clear sign that something isn't right upstairs. Just like thinking your own child needs to die suggests you're not in full possession of your mental faculties. Why are you prepared to pathologise the woman, but not the man? Hashtag KillAllMen got 3 billion engagements. That's basically the entire manosphere, one hundred times over. There are women with large social media followings wh…
/r/PurplePillDebate11/07/26 08:20 PM
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There are plenty of men with incel beliefs, but to become mass murderers there needs to be some kind of mental illness. The difference is that, for some reason, the illness is considered a valid reason when it's a woman killing her child, but not when it's a man killing strangers.
/r/PurplePillDebate11/07/26 05:27 PM
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Thanks. I don't feel raped, to be fair. At the time, I was a 19 year old virgin, one of the last to lose my virginity amongst my friends, so I was just glad to get rid of the label. It's not something I'd want for my son, though, I suppose. The thing with my wife bothers me more. I probably wouldn't be on this sub otherwise.
/r/PurplePillDebate11/07/26 03:55 PM
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The person I was responding to didn't use "some women" either. But yes, you're right, so I'll edit my comment
/r/PurplePillDebate11/07/26 03:25 PM
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I could literally click my fingers and sleep with them, if I wanted. After it happened the first couple of times - both pushed by them while I was a lot drunker than them - I realised how besotted they were, so I backed off and reduced contact as much as I could. I worked with them, so it was impossible to cut them off altogether, but I didn't want to use them and give them the wrong idea. Plus one of them, with whom I was so inebriated that I only remember flashes of what happened, gave me a mi…
/r/PurplePillDebate11/07/26 03:23 PM
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Women are definitely not celebrated when they're more masculine.
/r/PurplePillDebate11/07/26 03:06 PM
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Threatening to resort to collective guilt is hilarious, given how man vs bear is frequently defended here, and how often conversations are shut down with "but men rape and kill women". Manspreading is similar to terms like slut. Nobody criticises men who sleep around, and nobody criticises women who take up a lot of space sitting by placing their bag next to themselves on public transport. But slut is rightly considered as sexist, and manspreading is just seen as a joke. To be fair, if I were ac…
/r/PurplePillDebate11/07/26 03:04 PM
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Which is why I assumed only 1% would be actual advocates. Still 30 million women, though. Are you this charitable towards manosphere behaviours, out of interest? Do you wonder how many Andrew Tate subscribers actually support him, and how many watch him for research purposes or out of morbid curiosity?
/r/PurplePillDebate11/07/26 02:22 PM
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Anything else other than tens of millions of women saying they want all men to die? That's like saying apart from the fact they live and eat in the woods, is there any reason to think bears shit in the woods?
/r/PurplePillDebate11/07/26 01:59 PM
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Manspreading is a term used by all sorts of women. Powerful women have stopped men getting help by claiming misogyny. Those things aren't fringe at all.
/r/PurplePillDebate11/07/26 01:51 PM
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Some women call out air conditioning, male domestic abuse refuges, and men sitting in a position that doesn't crush their testicles as misogynistic. If that's "misogyny as they see it", maybe these women are not very good at spotting misogyny. Edited to clarify this isn't all women, only some.
/r/PurplePillDebate11/07/26 11:02 AM
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I think it would be overly-generous to women to say 99% were bots and men in the first place. My 1% example was just to demonstrate how big a number 3 billion is. I'd say it's more reasonable to rule out 99% of the engagements as trolls both male and female, bots and duplicates, which would leave 30 million individual women. The entire female population of the UK, roughly. That is a staggering amount of women who hate men enough to wish they were all executed. And it says more than any targeted …
/r/PurplePillDebate11/07/26 10:52 AM
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I don't know. But even if it's 99% male and bot, that's still 30 million women. Surveys usually involve numbers no bigger than 1000, so as I said, this is far more meaningful. Imagine the reaction if at least 30 million men said that not only do they hate women, but they endorsed their murder. Feminists would lose their shit. When women do it, we're supposed to either assume it's a joke, or reflect on why women hate men and how it's probably our fault. Imagine Hashtag KillAllWomen got 3 billion …
/r/PurplePillDebate11/07/26 10:19 AM
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Hashtag KillAllMen got 3 billion engagements. Even if only a tenth of those were unique and human, that's more women than there are in the USA, UK, Canada and Australia combined. That says more than any survey asking 1000 women ever could.
/r/PurplePillDebate11/07/26 09:24 AM
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Are you trying to tell us you're insane? Because one minute you say only enjoying sex with a limited number of men is insane, and the next you admit you'd only enjoy sex with an extremely limited number of men (one man, your husband).
/r/PurplePillDebate10/07/26 11:44 PM
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Shallowness isn't just about looks; it's about any factor apart from personality, character, morals or values. If it doesn't make you an objectively better person, then it's shallow,. That includes status and money, both of which are attractive to a lot of women. Those women are shallow. Everyone's shallow to a certain degree, but if you focus on height, build, facial features, salary and whether their job will impress your family and friends before you even get to whether they're a good person,…
/r/PurplePillDebate10/07/26 11:35 PM
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How did you get that from it? Rightly or wrongly, he's clearly saying women do enjoy sex, but with a very limited number of men.
/r/PurplePillDebate10/07/26 11:34 PM
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When I was a young man, there were a couple of girls who practically worshipped me. They wanted me far more than my own wife ever has, but they were also significantly less attractive. Objectively, and to me personally. And I've never been as attracted to someone as much as I am to my wife. That's the challenge for a lot of men: to be truly desired by someone they also truly desire.
/r/PurplePillDebate10/07/26 11:24 PM
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They're not the subjects. What romantic gestures does she make for them? And men make fun of her because she's shit.
/r/PurplePillDebate10/07/26 06:49 PM
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It still exists. Just not in the places where most of its biggest detractors live.
/r/PurplePillDebate10/07/26 10:03 AM
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You've not understood the distinction between being the object of romance and the subject of romance.
/r/PurplePillDebate10/07/26 09:45 AM
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It's very middle class-centric. Most of the rest of the world work shitty jobs because they have to, not to have a "fulfilling career" and "realise their ambitions".
/r/PurplePillDebate10/07/26 08:51 AM
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That depends on how you define "romantic". If you mean "wants to be the object of romance" then women are more romantic. If you mean "wants to treat someone romantically", men are far more romantic than women. A lot of men don't want to be romantic towards women, but compared to the amount of women who want to be romantic towards men, it's massively skewed in men's favour. Feminists want traditional gender roles to disappear, but only when it suits them.
/r/PurplePillDebate10/07/26 06:56 AM
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I suppose it's a bit like western men falling for east Asian women because they're stereotypically more feminine.
/r/PurplePillDebate09/07/26 07:51 PM
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At the very most, 0.005% of the world's men are on this sub. Even if it was the biggest sub on Reddit, it'd still be too niche to prove anything. It's like me saying all women are horrible due to the Two X Chromosome sub.
/r/PurplePillDebate09/07/26 07:44 PM
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When I was traveling around Europe nearly 25 years ago, my friends and I spoke to a fellow Englishman who'd just visited Russia. He said most of the young men were skinheads and thugs who treated their girlfriends like meat, and all you had to do was be nice to women and they'd fall at your feet. He was probably a little above average attractiveness IIRC and reasonably chatty. Of course, he might've been talking bollocks.
/r/PurplePillDebate09/07/26 07:34 PM
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I'm defending nobody. I'm responding to your "men hate women" claim.
/r/PurplePillDebate09/07/26 07:28 PM
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I've heard eastern European men aren't the most romantic.
/r/PurplePillDebate09/07/26 04:55 PM
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Apparently lonely men's tears are a delicacy. If people are nice to said men, they'll stop crying, and we'll have another lonely men's tears shortage. Misandrists won't stand for it.
/r/PurplePillDebate09/07/26 04:40 PM
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Some men dislike all women Most men dislike some women A few men hate very few women Rabid misandrists are in all 3 categories, which might be why they feel hated.
/r/PurplePillDebate09/07/26 03:22 PM
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No. They send actual messages to everyone.
/r/PurplePillDebate09/07/26 11:15 AM
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Sure, but some are objective. Henry Cavill can reasonably look in the mirror and be proud of his appearance. Steve Buscemi, maybe not.
/r/PurplePillDebate09/07/26 08:30 AM
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Thanks, Gemini
/r/PurplePillDebate09/07/26 08:28 AM
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The majority of men send messages to the top women on dating sites They also send them to average women and below average women.
/r/PurplePillDebate09/07/26 08:27 AM
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They are more content being alone This argument is based on a couple of studies. One says that single women are happier than single men, and the other states that divorced women claim increased happiness after divorce. The first is of little value; men have higher sex drives, and they're less able to get sex while single, whereas women can more easily scratch that itch if they're desperate. Plus, for men, being unpartnered is less likely to be by choice, which means lack of control over one's ow…
/r/PurplePillDebate09/07/26 08:25 AM
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Self-esteem is recognising and appreciating your strengths, not imagining non-existent strengths.
/r/PurplePillDebate09/07/26 07:46 AM
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We've all heard the old phrase "he thinks he's God's gift to women". Projection at its finest.
/r/PurplePillDebate09/07/26 07:42 AM
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Manosphere grifters like Tate, Rogan and the rest are scum, but let's not pretend blue pillers and feminists don't subscribe to their fair share of hateful rhetoric. Like extreme misandrist Andrea Dworkin, would-be sexist murderer Valerie Solanos and proud man-hater Pauline Harmange.
/r/PurplePillDebate08/07/26 11:46 PM
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I've been told over and over that women who settle for a man they're not really attracted to don't exist anymore. Not in the west, at least. Apparently, women don't need a man for money, so they always end up with their dream man, with whom they have the best sex of their lives. I'm glad some women are being honest now. That's you, the person who I replied to and Lilith who've all admitted that women do settle for men they're not particularly attracted to.
/r/PurplePillDebate08/07/26 08:09 PM
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Long gone are the days when women were modest about their sexual history. They've been told since the ladette era in the 90s & 00s that having lots of casual sex with hot men is empowering, and the likes of Sabrina Carpenter and Cardi B are still telling them now. Simps and white knights online also insist that real men don't care about sexual history, so they're hearing it from both genders. It's no surprise that many women are fairly candid about their intimate lives these days.
/r/PurplePillDebate08/07/26 07:58 PM
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Stop evading and answer the question. Should people give their partners special treatment, or not?
/r/PurplePillDebate08/07/26 01:33 PM
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Hang on. You don't think people should give their significant other special treatment? We should treat them the same way we treat everyone else?
/r/PurplePillDebate08/07/26 01:24 PM
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Surely everyone should get special treatment from their partner.
/r/PurplePillDebate08/07/26 01:15 PM
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Notice how you acknowledge chads get better treatment from their women, even when compared to desired but not quite chad men.
/r/PurplePillDebate08/07/26 01:11 PM
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What if the Appalachian girl's man is very rich but doesn't think she deserves that kind of treatment? He doesn't tell her that, but it's obvious he could afford a trip to Paris, she says she wants to go, and he gives no reason or makes up an excuse. Is she going to be happy with that? As for the non-chad, are you saying he's been settled for? Because you're contradicting virtually every woman on here if so. PPD women insist they don't settle for men.
/r/PurplePillDebate08/07/26 12:42 PM
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How well would women deal with their man telling them, "sorry, but you're just not attractive enough for that kind of treatment"?
/r/PurplePillDebate08/07/26 11:45 AM
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You’re not Chad. Stop expecting Chad treatment So if a woman isn't conventionally and objectively attractive, she shouldn't expect to be treated as if she's desired?
/r/PurplePillDebate08/07/26 11:36 AM
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Didn't you post something very similar a few days ago?
/r/PurplePillDebate08/07/26 11:34 AM
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I know it's not much consolation, but most men are fully aware they can't rape their wives. Most men don't even want to rape their wives. My only point re the past was that both men and women talk about their ancestors. If you have a problem with one, you should also object to the other.
/r/PurplePillDebate07/07/26 05:13 PM
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I'm not young; I'm married with 2 adult children. Working class but comfortable enough, and educated. Given how many women take antidepressants and how many men kill themselves these days, I think you may be closer to the answer than I assumed: there just aren't many healthy relationships. But not necessarily because the partners don't care enough for each other or aren't compatible. For example, although I say so myself, I treat my wife very well. I do most of the housework, most of the care fo…
/r/PurplePillDebate07/07/26 02:54 PM
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I must've never known anybody in a healthy relationship then. Which seems unlikely.
/r/PurplePillDebate07/07/26 12:05 PM
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I'm usually a firm believer in the 'check your own shoes' advice, and I don't believe women are a monolith or AWALT or any of that bollocks. However, I also find it more than plausible that OP could have a dozen complaining girlfriends without it being his fault. Back when women were considered property and domestic abuse wasn't even a crime, women still nagged men. They simply had to complain, even when they risked physical violence or worse to themselves. At one point, being a "scold" was made…
/r/PurplePillDebate07/07/26 11:07 AM
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Do you think getting a certificate changes your personality?
/r/PurplePillDebate07/07/26 10:19 AM
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Are you aware that less than 5% of women live in the USA?
/r/PurplePillDebate07/07/26 07:04 AM
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Women frequently terminate debates they're losing with statements like "women literally used to be property" and "my grandma couldn't open her own bank account".
/r/PurplePillDebate07/07/26 07:02 AM
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Sorry that happened to you. The difference, though, is that women got raped AND they weren't independent and didn't have suffrage. I've not said abuse no longer exists, just that it's nowhere near as prevalent or severe as it used to be, yet women still talk about it like it's happening to them. Like men talk about building civilisation, even when their own contribution to its maintenance is minor at best.
/r/PurplePillDebate07/07/26 06:59 AM
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My intention isn't to condescend. My intention is for her to stay on topic and stop using emotive language. She's being a hypocrite but wants to obscure that with indignation.
/r/PurplePillDebate07/07/26 06:50 AM
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When it comes to actual physical building in the most literal sense, it was and is almost always men.
/r/PurplePillDebate07/07/26 06:03 AM
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Rightly or wrongly, physical labour will always be seen as more of a contribution than admin.
/r/PurplePillDebate07/07/26 06:01 AM
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He's talking about in relationships.
/r/PurplePillDebate06/07/26 10:14 PM
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You're going massively off-topic and getting over-emotional. At no point have I said women don't still face unfair treatment. My point was that the harshest oppression, when women had no independence, no autonomy and no rights, is over. But you still complain about those issues like they are current. Just as men still talk about the past.
/r/PurplePillDebate06/07/26 09:13 PM
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Agreed. However, just as women are still affected to a lesser degree by the remnants of past oppression, men are still building civilisation to a lesser degree, in that they are maintaining civilisation.
/r/PurplePillDebate06/07/26 08:05 PM
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Credit score wasn't that long ago, no. So it's a good thing I didn't mention that. I talked about women being property which was a long, long time before any of you were born. I didn't try and fail to mimic your words. I succeeded in mimicking them; go back and have a look if you don't believe me. The fact you disagree with my point (based partly on something I didn't even say) doesn't mean I failed. It just means you can't see your hypocrisy, which is fine, because I expect no better.
/r/PurplePillDebate06/07/26 06:33 PM
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No. But some oppression doesn't exist anymore, and it therefore doesn't impact today's women. If you're going to complain about it, don't criticise men who take credit for their ancestors' achievements.
/r/PurplePillDebate06/07/26 06:23 PM
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I didn't say women don't face any oppression. Regardless, women still complain about issues from the past that stopped long before they were born. It's a direct parallel of your complaint about men - that they try to claim involvement in something that happened decades or centuries ago - which is why I mimicked your words.
/r/PurplePillDebate06/07/26 05:57 PM
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Women go on and on about how women 50, 100, 250 years ago were treated as property and couldn't open bank accounts or whatever. But they themselves haven't suffered any of this oppression. They seem to think that because they are women they should be compensated for the evils their ancestors suffered.
/r/PurplePillDebate06/07/26 05:40 PM
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Some men that you know may be able to do so. Most can't. I'm married and would have virtually zero chance of immediately finding someone else if I had to.
/r/PurplePillDebate06/07/26 11:37 AM
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So do you only compare identical things? You buy 2 of the same dress and try them both on? 2 cans of the same soda and see if they taste different? You literally cannot compare things unless they are different.
/r/PurplePillDebate06/07/26 11:11 AM
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Women don't care about being a man's best because if he becomes dissatisfied and leaves, she can replace him immediately.
/r/PurplePillDebate06/07/26 10:55 AM
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If I went on a second date with a woman and found out she'd slept with someone else since our first date, she'd be dropped immediately. And I'd have zero respect for any man who put up with that kind of behaviour. A woman who can't keep her legs closed for a few weeks while we're working out if we're right for each other is not for me.
/r/PurplePillDebate06/07/26 12:52 AM
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That would be more likely, yeah.
/r/PurplePillDebate05/07/26 11:08 AM
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Historically, sex has certainly been a resource. Men used to fight with other tribes to control this resource, as procreation is necessary for populations to succeed. Even when we became more civilised, access to women was treated like a privilege that was granted by birthright or earnt over time. This reality lasted for millennia, so why do you expect less than a century of women's lib to cancel that out? It will take hundreds of years for men en masse to adapt to the new status quo, especially…
/r/PurplePillDebate05/07/26 11:04 AM
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This is a tricky one. The usual formula (sentence for woman = sentence for man minus 25%) can't be used, because men can't commit paternity fraud. We'd better just make it 5 hours of community service and a verbal apology.
/r/PurplePillDebate04/07/26 07:57 PM
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I address this in my reply to someone else.
/r/PurplePillDebate04/07/26 06:00 PM
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I wouldn't base my view on the numbers at r/deadbedroom. Women are much more likely than men to share intimate details and seek help in general. Also, IME, when women talk about their libido, they tend to focus on the times they might want to have sex. Specifically when they're ovulating, and not when they're on their period or for a few days beforehand. If you see a woman say, "I'm always hornier than my man", there's a good chance she's talking about the relatively short interval when she's mo…
/r/PurplePillDebate04/07/26 10:58 AM
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It probably got me a few shit ONS when I was younger, but only in conjunction with gaining about 30lbs in muscle. I could've got away with 6'0 with my wife, though. She's only 5'2, and the man she was into before me was about 5'7, so I think she just wanted someone taller than her. The extra bulk was likely more important in attracting her. It's hard to say for definite, though. I was told a couple of times that I look "scary"; maybe the extra height made that worse.
/r/PurplePillDebate04/07/26 10:02 AM
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This is a sensible way of looking at it. My own view is that if I ever shame anyone for anything, it tends to be in my head. I judge silently, unless they're doing something truly heinous, like pursuing underage people or being violent.
/r/PurplePillDebate04/07/26 07:07 AM
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I'm not saying passport-broing or sleeping with lots of men are the same. In fact, the only similarity between the two is that both are shamed, they object to being shamed, and they want approval instead. Therefore, your attitude of "why care if others shame you or disapprove of your actions?" could be applied to both. Your words below could just as easily be spoken to a woman protesting slut-shaming: Do what you want, but I’ll never understand this mindset of wanting approval or caring about “s…
/r/PurplePillDebate04/07/26 01:09 AM
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One could say the same about slut shaming, but plenty of women complain about that.
/r/PurplePillDebate03/07/26 08:03 PM
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That's why I mentioned two criteria, not just one. Ideally, both would be satisfied, but if not, either would be okay. If it's neither, then I wouldn't be too optimistic. The two criteria are: 1) does she seem as though she's attracted, like she's tempted but is resisting temptation? 2) does she usually make men wait? If (1) isn't true but (2) is, she might just be someone who needs plenty of time. If (1) is true but (2) isn't, she might've been burned, as you said, or she might've grown out of …
/r/PurplePillDebate03/07/26 06:25 PM
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Only the individual can decide what's too long for them. For me personally, I wouldn't mind waiting a couple of months if she made it obvious she was attracted, and she also made other men wait.
/r/PurplePillDebate03/07/26 06:05 PM
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We judge men on things we don't judge women for too. Just like women judge men and women differently.
/r/PurplePillDebate03/07/26 04:41 PM
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If too early and too late exist, there will be a sweet spot somewhere in the middle. It's not like you have to make a binary choice between first date and wedding night.
/r/PurplePillDebate03/07/26 03:45 PM
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"Just your turn" isn't supposed to imply women are toys to be passed around. If anything, it's saying the same thing about men, that they'll be discarded at some point, so they shouldn't get too attached. It's no more offensive than claiming all men are threats until proven otherwise.
/r/PurplePillDebate03/07/26 11:51 AM
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Just a minor point - Fred West's wife is as evil as he was, if not more so. She doesn't have the mitigating factor of a traumatic brain injury like him, but she was raised in by a sexually-abusive monster of a father. Her fellow inmates are apparently terrified of her, even though she's elderly now.
/r/PurplePillDebate03/07/26 11:21 AM
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average SAHM works 61 hours per week That number looks suspiciously familiar. IIRC, it's from the self-reported study that claimed women spend 2 hours per week making doctor's appointments, 2 hours per week arranging play dates for their children, and 2 hours per week remembering birthdays. All noble pursuits, of course, but perhaps not as time-consuming as we're led to believe.
/r/PurplePillDebate03/07/26 05:53 AM
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Maybe. But a woman could get a license and then suffer from post partum psychosis. From what I've read, that's often a major factor. As for men, they don't have PPP as an excuse, but whenever it's in the news, they don't sound like they're sane. Some of them will be evil, but others just seem to lose their minds.
/r/PurplePillDebate02/07/26 07:36 PM
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Yeah. Under the age of one, the mother is the more likely killer; over the age of one, it's the father.
/r/PurplePillDebate02/07/26 07:26 PM
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And infant children are in the unique position of their main carer also being their main predator. Shit rolls downhill.
/r/PurplePillDebate02/07/26 06:53 PM
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It's not meaningless. "Bad" is a negative descriptor, so a bad boy has negative traits of some sort. The negative traits must outweigh his good traits, because otherwise he'd be a "good guy". It's imprecise and puerile, but most people know it's not a compliment. Unless you're an idiot who likes bad boys.
/r/PurplePillDebate02/07/26 06:47 PM
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The word "bad" is almost as vague as an adjective can be, so it's not surprising it has a broad spectrum of meanings. It would be stranger if it had an extremely specific meaning.
/r/PurplePillDebate02/07/26 05:44 PM
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History is written by the victors. Some historians claim that Mary was unfairly vilified; others assert that Elizabeth was not as worthy as we're told. Large armies always featured many poor men. In England, laws were in place to ensure that the peasantry practiced archery so that they'd be ready as soon as their king, queen or lord was taken by some whim. I'm not talking about sins of men vs women or vice versa. I was simply responding to the claim that men are more likely to start wars, which …
/r/PurplePillDebate02/07/26 08:06 AM
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An excuse is a reason given to justify a fault or mistake. Reason - self-preservation Fault/mistake - starting wars I'm no paragon of virtue, but I wouldn't send hordes of impoverished men to fight and die painful deaths to save my own skin. It's not like she had any children of her own to protect, either. If you would truly sacrifice thousands just so you alone can survive, you need to examine your moral compass.
/r/PurplePillDebate02/07/26 07:47 AM
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The reasons you've given may be valid, but they are still excuses by definition. They may be good excuses, and we can synpathise with her and accept her motives. But you're still excusing her actions with mitigating circumstances. Hawkish simply means "in favour of war with other nations"; it doesn't imply that there is no justification for said war. There have been hawkish male leaders for whom we could make a litany of excuses. I doubt you'd be interested in doing so, though, because they were…
/r/PurplePillDebate02/07/26 05:05 AM
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So as well as being used for safety, it's used for personal vendettas and grievances?
/r/PurplePillDebate01/07/26 10:57 AM
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The sites that women use that OP is referring to are used by women who think something is sketchy, and the info given on them is about abuse and cheating, not consensual sexual activity I've only been on them to defend a friend who was being defamed These 2 sections contradict each other. If the first is correct, and it's all about safety, why the defamation mentioned in the second section?
/r/PurplePillDebate01/07/26 10:03 AM
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The person you replied to said: "what kind of men let their women fight and die for their nation?" - the men we have? They are always done it? You replied with: Not in my country and tbh not in any country. So you were saying men, regardless of their country, don't fight and die for their nation. I answered you with proof that huge numbers of men have fought and died for their nation. I proved you wrong. And your answer is "so"? You need to learn how to have a conversation.
/r/PurplePillDebate01/07/26 08:32 AM
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Do you have any idea how many men died in the world wars? Nearly 20,000 British men died on the first day of the Somme. Entire towns and villages lost their whole male populations in a matter of weeks. Over 9 million Soviet men lost their lives defending their motherland against the Nazis.
/r/PurplePillDebate01/07/26 08:16 AM
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It is so weird you guys always assume infinite spite and malice to women for everything, like we’re not even human Spite and malice are very human emotions; animals are incapable of them.
/r/PurplePillDebate01/07/26 08:06 AM
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Whatever Queen Elizabeth's motives, the fact remains that she was hawkish. Male leaders have their reasons to go to war too, and they're not always purely based on bloodlust and expansion, but I imagine you wouldn't look for charitable excuses for them.
/r/PurplePillDebate01/07/26 07:47 AM
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If women were financially chained to men, most would be free to indulge in online discussion. Last time women were financially chained to men, the vast majority of women weren't kept prisoner. They had friends and family to keep them company; they were able to get out and about. It wasn't like Handmaid's Tale, you know. You seem to have a distorted view of life, both in the past and now.
/r/PurplePillDebate30/06/26 11:07 PM
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Women have autonomy and independence in the west. If they don't want a man, nobody is forcing them into relationships, so they can stay single. If they want to remain child free, they can avoid men altogether, use birth control, the morning after pill and, in most places, get abortions. If they want to focus on their education and career, the system is weighted to help them succeed. Unprecedented choice, freedom and advocacy, yet so much depression, stress, anxiety and autoimmune disorders. This…
/r/PurplePillDebate30/06/26 10:39 PM
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While I find it easier to be around men than women, I'm not in any way homoromantic. I simply have more in common with men, and I don't feel like they're judging me. Plus, in my experience, women are more likely to be confrontational or openly hostile. Due to my size, most men (apart from the occasional psychopath) don't risk being a dick, but some women - probably because men have it drilled into them not to physically attack women - are more reckless.
/r/PurplePillDebate30/06/26 11:28 AM
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He is the table 💅
/r/PurplePillDebate30/06/26 06:53 AM
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The world is full of ghettos.
/r/PurplePillDebate30/06/26 12:12 AM
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I'm talking about women voting against their interests; men's interests are in some ways different. One side wants to take away your bodily autonomy, and the other doesn't. It'd be great to have an ideal candidate, but perfect is the enemy of good. Purity tests lost the last election for the left.
/r/PurplePillDebate29/06/26 11:45 PM
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More than half of the world's population are low rent poors, so it's crazy to describe it your way.
/r/PurplePillDebate29/06/26 10:56 PM
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Corporations gain more power and less humanity under right-wing governments, which are just as likely to attract female votes as male. You don't need female candidates; you need candidates who are likely to win but won't shaft women.
/r/PurplePillDebate29/06/26 09:27 PM
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Most governments and corporations are still run by men. Women need to stop voting against their interests.
/r/PurplePillDebate29/06/26 09:15 PM
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Any man or boy watching incest and especially rape porn is equally concerning. I've watched coerced stuff in the past. Not because I searched it online, but due to me buying a dodgy VHS tape on holiday in Greece as a young man. That was in the days of dial-up internet, when downloading porn took so long that you might as well go out and try to get laid, so when you went somewhere with less censorship, it was too tempting to come home empty-handed. Even though you had no real idea what you were g…
/r/PurplePillDebate29/06/26 08:10 PM
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Maybe you watched too many gory movies as a kid...
/r/PurplePillDebate29/06/26 07:35 PM
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With bonus blood and guts
/r/PurplePillDebate29/06/26 03:47 PM
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I suppose she could, but if the man then needs to cross the road for some reason, to take a turn perhaps, it looks like he's following her.
/r/PurplePillDebate29/06/26 02:39 PM
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My replies are always reasonable!
/r/PurplePillDebate29/06/26 02:37 PM
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No, it's not nursing, but thanks anyway. I don't have the patience for patients.
/r/PurplePillDebate29/06/26 01:50 PM
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It's neither teacher nor nurse, but nice try, Columbo
/r/PurplePillDebate29/06/26 01:49 PM
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I will always slow down or cross the road if in the proximity of a woman at night. Men who don't do so shouldn't be proud of themselves; it's not asking much for them to make a minor adjustment. Re men vs bear, a lot of men just felt it was sexist. It's like if a man said, "I'd rather leave my Rolex near a magpie than a woman". Obviously, having your property stolen is nowhere near as devastating as sexual assault or worse, but the message is similar: women aren't to be trusted because they just…
/r/PurplePillDebate29/06/26 11:23 AM
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For good reason. I've been doxxed by a member of this sub before, and it caused me a lot of trouble and cost me a fair bit of money. Just because I disagreed with someone.
/r/PurplePillDebate29/06/26 10:06 AM
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Women who make being a spinster their whole personality whilst complaining about men at every given opportunity are the ones dubbed "crazy cat ladies". Just as men who rant and rave about their misfortunes, often blaming them all on women, have their own pejorative.
/r/PurplePillDebate29/06/26 10:00 AM
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As women always say, it's about consent.
/r/PurplePillDebate29/06/26 09:19 AM
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The industry I want to work within is heavily biased to women and is gatekept by feminists. If I were in the top 1% of men, I might have a chance of breaking the pink ceiling. I'm good but not quite elite, so although I keep working, I'm unlikely to succeed, though I refuse to give up entirely.
/r/PurplePillDebate29/06/26 08:41 AM
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As long as you're both happy with that, I guess.
/r/PurplePillDebate29/06/26 07:57 AM
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He's not earned enough points this year, sadly.
/r/PurplePillDebate29/06/26 07:39 AM
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This sub isn't about employee/customer relations.
/r/PurplePillDebate29/06/26 07:19 AM
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Try being a bitch about it. That's the usual strategy, and because most men just want a peaceful, easy life, it generally works.
/r/PurplePillDebate29/06/26 07:18 AM
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I can't imagine any grown ass woman expecting her man to "accommodate" her time of the month You must've missed the /s because you obviously can't be serious about this. Millions of men would disagree with you, as would women who are feeling honest.
/r/PurplePillDebate29/06/26 07:09 AM
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sex needs to make me happy too to want it That wasn't your only stated requirement, though. You also said you need to not have any "negative feelings". Humans nearly always have negative feelings about something. Even wealthy people who live a life of comfort and happiness still find shit to be negative about. Saying you've got to be serenely content like a fictional character from a children's story to consider having sex is bizarre.
/r/PurplePillDebate29/06/26 06:59 AM
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What are you basing that on? One of the reasons men are so much more lethal than women when they've decided to kill themselves is because they do it alone. Why do you think I'm mad at women? Because I'm disagreeing with one? Do you think all disagreement is done when mad?
/r/PurplePillDebate29/06/26 03:22 AM
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I'd say the line is whether you're intended to self-insert or not. Porn is definitely vicarious, especially POV style. Is erotica? I don't read it, so I don't know, but whenever I've seen movies adapted from dark fantasy, the female lead always seems to be played by a relatively (by Hollywood standards) plain woman, and the male lead is a 10/10 demigod.
/r/PurplePillDebate28/06/26 09:36 PM
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If men into rape porn complain about men in general being viewed as rapists, I'd tell them not to be hypocritical. If men into barely legal porn complain that there aren't enough chaste young women IRL, I'd tell them not to be hypocritical. If women into abuse fantasy complain about how many women get abused, I'd tell them not to be hypocritical.
/r/PurplePillDebate28/06/26 09:24 PM
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If you start a war, you'll lose by taking "only" 20% casualties, maybe less. Then you've still got 80% of your army coming home, stronger and fitter than they once were but now with PTSD. They feel even more entitled than they used to, and they've been sharing conspiracies about how their government tried to kill them rather than taking women's rights. It's a recipe for disaster.
/r/PurplePillDebate28/06/26 09:15 PM
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One of the problems with extremism of any type is the "all or nothing" mindset. If you believe in a cause, ideally you should be able to accept its weaknesses. When you refuse to concede an inch in any argument, you undermine your credibility. That's what we see in radical feminists: a pathological inability to consider any aspect of life where they might not be oppressed victims.
/r/PurplePillDebate28/06/26 08:27 PM
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Racists sometimes get to know people of other races and rethink their prejudices. Radfems get married to men and still hate men with a passion.
/r/PurplePillDebate28/06/26 07:33 PM
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Not only are they ignored as victims, but they're tacitly classed as perpetrators by virtue of their gender.
/r/PurplePillDebate28/06/26 06:39 PM
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correlation of men who ideate about suicide, and men who perpetrate family violence, is a known connection In Australia, which is the country concerned, the correlation is 2500 to 20. 125 to 1. That is nowhere near significant enough to be classed as a "known connection". Of course, that's just Australia, but why would it be higher in other places? It might be easier to kill your family in the US, for example, due to gun ownership, but it's also easier to commit suicide for the same reason.
/r/PurplePillDebate28/06/26 06:38 PM
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Wait until you find out that British men domestically abused by women are classed as victims of violence against women and girls.
/r/PurplePillDebate28/06/26 06:30 PM
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People who think soldiers don't deserve help because they're men.
/r/PurplePillDebate28/06/26 06:22 PM
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The fact that it's more than 1% of the market is concerning. Considering how popular the likes of You and 365 Days are on Netflix, and how successful the frankly terrible 50 Shades was, I'd be surprised if it wasn't a big chunk. I'm an author. I used to spend a lot of time on Twitter cross-promoting other authors, and there was a lot of questionable stuff out there.
/r/PurplePillDebate28/06/26 06:18 PM
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One thing about minotaurs is that they're definitely not miniature. Especially when it comes to their... equipment. Or so I've been told.
/r/PurplePillDebate28/06/26 06:01 PM
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Advocating, like you.
/r/PurplePillDebate28/06/26 05:58 PM
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Where did I say that? My point is that the gender of the oppressor is irrelevant. And so what if he's in another country? You brought up Afghan women elsewhere; do you live in Afghanistan?
/r/PurplePillDebate28/06/26 05:36 PM
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I'm sure some guy bleeding out having had one of his legs blown off in a field in Ukraine would feel a lot better if we reminded him that his plight has been imposed by a man. If someone was talking about the disproportionate about of violence suffered by black people, would you hand-wave it away by saying, "Well, most of that violence is committed by other black people"? No, of course you wouldn't. You wouldn't want to be called racist.
/r/PurplePillDebate28/06/26 03:59 PM
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If women stopped tarring all men with the same brush, blaming non-abusive men for the crimes of abusive men, perhaps we wouldn't question you fantasising about and selecting abusive men.
/r/PurplePillDebate28/06/26 03:51 PM
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She asked what the question was and then, with my assistance, went on to answer the question in some detail. How are semantics involved?
/r/PurplePillDebate28/06/26 03:47 PM
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It's not about envy. It's about pointing out the hypocrisy of women complaining about abusive men while fantasising and selecting them.
/r/PurplePillDebate28/06/26 03:41 PM
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Men are treated harsher by the criminal justice system when committing the same crimes even with the same criminal record (USA & UK). Men are far more likely to be the victim of violence. Men are 4x more likely to commit suicide. Men are significantly more likely to die in a workplace accident. Men's suffrage is tied to conscription (USA). Boys have identical work marked lower at school (UK). Men are prevented from fleeing their country if war breaks out (Ukraine). Men are used as child soldiers…
/r/PurplePillDebate28/06/26 03:39 PM
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I'll take your word for it.
/r/PurplePillDebate28/06/26 03:27 PM
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I don't recall talking about depth or lack thereof.
/r/PurplePillDebate28/06/26 03:27 PM
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Oh no, you don't get to "men aren't interested in story" move I just did. you simply jump to hate What exactly have I said that is hateful? I can understand why women like the billionaire psychopath trope. The minotaurs, were-bears and sludge monsters are beyond me, but I don't hate women as a result; I just think it's funny.
/r/PurplePillDebate28/06/26 03:26 PM
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Fantasy is a genre of fiction. I'm not sure what concept you're referring to, other than simple definitions, but if you can explain it in a non-circular fashion, I'd be happy to hear it. Which fictional character are you talking about? Because I can assure you that very few men want to swap heads with a bull or be allergic to garlic.
/r/PurplePillDebate28/06/26 03:21 PM
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Do women not understand that fiction doesn't have to be fantasy?
/r/PurplePillDebate28/06/26 03:11 PM
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I assume he means minotaur
/r/PurplePillDebate28/06/26 03:09 PM
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Speak for yourself.
/r/PurplePillDebate28/06/26 03:04 PM
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Does a man need to be an abusive vampire or gangster to be attractive, confident and competent?
/r/PurplePillDebate28/06/26 03:03 PM
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The difference is that a lot, maybe even most, men skip storylines in porn. We even watch them with no volume if necessary. You can't really read a book and avoid the plot and characterisation. If there was no plot or characterisation, there would be no build-up and tension, and they wouldn't be half as popular.
/r/PurplePillDebate28/06/26 03:00 PM
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For a lot of young men, his stepmum will be the first woman he's not related to that he shares a house with. Which means seeing her in nightwear, maybe even underwear, smelling her, making her laugh perhaps. Nothing is more of an aphrodisiac for men than proximity, and that's amplified when you're an adolescent. Plus you've got the forbidden fruit aspect, as well as the common male desire to emulate, supplant or surpass his father.
/r/PurplePillDebate28/06/26 02:56 PM
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Is femboy not basically gay porn for closeted men? Cuckold is weird - I'll give you that.
/r/PurplePillDebate28/06/26 11:57 AM
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Unless you watch and listen to the story, stepmom is just experienced, forward MILF with young, inexperienced man. Shit-loads of porn watchers are young, inexperienced men.
/r/PurplePillDebate28/06/26 11:54 AM
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porn isn't an indicative of what males truly want in sex It usually is. The most popular porn genres are generally fairly vanilla, because men mostly just want basic sex. should we judge hintai and spicy anime watchers too? Yes. An adult man who watches sexual content involving women who look like children should definitely be judged, hopefully at some point by an actual judge.
/r/PurplePillDebate28/06/26 11:24 AM
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He didn't give the reasoning you gave. While he gave 50 Shades as an example, he didn't explain why it's popular like you did.
/r/PurplePillDebate28/06/26 11:19 AM
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So that would be your answer to the question.
/r/PurplePillDebate28/06/26 11:16 AM
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50 Shades doesn't explain it. It's just an example. Why was it even popular in the first place?
/r/PurplePillDebate28/06/26 11:13 AM
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If you look at the top of the post, you'll see text in a larger font. The question is 'How do you explain the" Dark Romance" Boom?' You can tell its a question because it's followed by a question mark, which looks like this: ? This is an example of punctuation, which can be helpful. First of all, it makes your writing easier to understand. Secondly, it shows you're not a TikTok addict with no education. Hope this helps.
/r/PurplePillDebate28/06/26 11:11 AM
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It's only neutral if you don't make assumptions and prejudge people based on their gender, or any other immutable characteristic.
/r/PurplePillDebate27/06/26 11:26 PM
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They also don't remove value.
/r/PurplePillDebate27/06/26 11:06 PM
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I'm not saying all women should value all men, or even most men. But not valuing any men is dysfunctional.
/r/PurplePillDebate27/06/26 09:53 PM
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I'm sorry you took that as a personal attack. To me, it's just common sense that heterosexual women who haven't been convinced to hate men by past experience or propaganda will value men.
/r/PurplePillDebate27/06/26 05:41 PM
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No, sorry, I meant "if you're not a right wing nutjob, you probably hate Putin". Because MAGA and its overseas equivalents are on Russia's side. As for MRAs in the US, I don't think they have too much power.
/r/PurplePillDebate27/06/26 03:07 PM
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Ridiculous argument. If a female leader - believe it or not, some parts of the world do have them - declares war, does she only send female soldiers? Over the course of history, female leaders have been proportionately more hawkish than males.
/r/PurplePillDebate27/06/26 02:26 PM
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r/AmericanDefaultism
/r/PurplePillDebate27/06/26 02:19 PM
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It's not a fact. If you're not going to quantify, and you're talking about a minority, you shouldn't just say "men". For example, I wouldn't say "women let their husbands unknowingly raise kids who aren't theirs". Instead, I'd say "some women let their husbands unknowingly raise kids who aren't theirs" or "6% of women let their husbands unknowingly raise kids who aren't theirs". I do that because I'm not here to mislead and sensationalise, and I don't have a chip on my shoulder. Perhaps it's jus…
/r/PurplePillDebate27/06/26 02:13 PM
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During the infamous brawl at Manchester Airport, UK, a couple of years ago, a female police officer was punched in the face. She burst into tears and became almost useless, leaving a male officer to deal with the attackers. Obviously, nobody enjoys getting their nose broken, but if you're taken out of a fight by one blow that doesn't actually render you unconscious, you shouldn't be a front-line cop.
/r/PurplePillDebate27/06/26 02:05 PM
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As long as we're not including right wing nutjobs, Putin is perhaps the most hated man in the western world. There's plenty of outrage about him already. People can be pissed off about more than one thing, though.
/r/PurplePillDebate27/06/26 01:59 PM
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It would still highlight the increase if you avoided the sensationalist language of a tabloid journalist. "DV against women increases by 35% when they outearn their male partners" is factual and measured. "Men start physically beating women when they're outearned" is inflammatory and intellectually-dishonest.
/r/PurplePillDebate27/06/26 01:51 PM
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Believe it or not, some women like men. They're heterosexual and not bitter or indoctrinated.
/r/PurplePillDebate27/06/26 01:45 PM
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According to your own study, there's a 35% rise in DV when women outearn men. If the original figure for Australia (that's your source's origin) is 25%, a 35% increase would elevate the 25% to 33%. Meaning your statement is misleading, because 67% of women don't start getting physically beaten. You should amend it to either "some" or, if you want to be precise, 33% of men. TIA.
/r/PurplePillDebate27/06/26 01:42 PM
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You can just date a man if that's what you want lmao Homophobia on my male vs female sub? Are you aware that people don't choose their sexuality? Meaning, no, he can't "just date a man".
/r/PurplePillDebate27/06/26 11:59 AM
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Emotional intelligence is a made-up term. All terms are made-up; they don't materialise out of thin air. Even the words that combine to create these terms are made-up.
/r/PurplePillDebate27/06/26 10:45 AM
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80/20 is nonsense. If you see 10 random men, are you honestly going to find 2 of them attractive? It's more like 95/5 for straight women, but the 5% is different for each individual. Then you've got the "all women are beautiful; nearly all men are ugly" closeted bisexuals, for whom it's 99/1.
/r/PurplePillDebate27/06/26 10:38 AM
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Large parts of the manosphere are extremely toxic, sadly. They just make things harder for men.
/r/PurplePillDebate27/06/26 05:53 AM
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Yeah, I don't believe in punching down on anyone. Fat women and tattooed women don't bother me anyway, and although I'd prefer not to date a single mum, I wouldn't talk shit about them.
/r/PurplePillDebate27/06/26 05:45 AM
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Rape and murder are not dating per se. They can happen during dating, but so can issues that primarily affect men, like paternity fraud and false accusations, and I wouldn't consider them a part of dating either.
/r/PurplePillDebate27/06/26 05:40 AM
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If I were dating, I would want just one thing. I wouldn't argue for women to dole out pity sex, or give unattractive men a chance, or settle for a man they don't desire. I'd simply want for women to accept that, with regards to dating, men have it harder. Not "women have different dating problems, but they're just as bad as men's", not "well, your great-great-great-grandfather treated women as property, so you should suffer", not "women get raped and killed - conversation over!" Just admit you'r…
/r/PurplePillDebate26/06/26 11:16 PM
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Sewage workers, bus drivers, janitors... do they think they are respected for their contribution to society? Are they as valued as a pretty woman?
/r/PurplePillDebate26/06/26 10:55 PM
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Of course we do. Everybody does.
/r/PurplePillDebate26/06/26 10:47 PM
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Complaining about chore distribution is usually just a deflection tactic for women who can no longer stomach duty sex with the men they settled for.
/r/PurplePillDebate26/06/26 07:21 PM
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Autism is disproportionately prevalent amongst PPD women, and autistic people are often less conformist. IRL, most women still want to have children at some point. Any reluctance is generally due to financial pressures, not an innate distaste towards maternity or men
/r/PurplePillDebate26/06/26 07:15 PM
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It's not that average women will look horrible without makeup; the argument is that some women who are supposedly extremely beautiful would be average without makeup. Average men would still them attractive, though.
/r/PurplePillDebate26/06/26 04:46 PM
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It comes from hearing women talking about men. That's what we're supposed to do, remember - listen to women.
/r/PurplePillDebate26/06/26 03:45 PM
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Arrogance is just confidence from someone you're not attracted to.
/r/PurplePillDebate26/06/26 03:44 PM
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Most men don't watch rape porn. Literature targetted at women is too problematic to be used as a coaching guide for young men.
/r/PurplePillDebate26/06/26 02:50 PM
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Of course it changes it. You said "so many women you don't even think about", but it's less than half. And I bet most of the women who don't have it are deliberately going out of their way to avoid men, due to bad past experiences, constant anti-male propaganda or both.
/r/PurplePillDebate26/06/26 02:19 PM
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This would be a good point if it wasn't for men thinking roughly 50% of women are cute, compared to women thinking roughly 5% of men are cute.
/r/PurplePillDebate26/06/26 01:56 PM
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No worries. She almost died from sepsis a couple of years ago, so it could be a lot worse. I've always got my trusty right hand to fall back on.
/r/PurplePillDebate25/06/26 09:26 PM
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She can't help it. She had to have a full hysterectomy due to a uterine fibroid that gave her sepsis, which almost killed her. I'm just glad she's still alive. To be honest, I was relieved it was only the menopause causing it, because I'd started to worry that she was emotionally checking out and losing attraction.
/r/PurplePillDebate25/06/26 08:57 PM
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There's an issue with her blood (high platelet count) which means she can't go on HRT.
/r/PurplePillDebate25/06/26 08:51 PM
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Use the old "it's not you, it's me" tactic. Admit that you're like a wizard's sleeve down there, and they'll probably be glad they dodged a bullet.
/r/PurplePillDebate25/06/26 06:45 PM
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If you only ever eat rice and beans, with no fruit, vegetables or fats, you're not going to be very healthy. And you'll be pretty miserable.
/r/PurplePillDebate25/06/26 03:08 PM
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45 year of age 1 attempt (my wife) Menopause-fuelled rejection. That's what I'm telling myself, anyway
/r/PurplePillDebate25/06/26 02:27 PM
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Under-socialised and afraid of drink and drugs for some bizarre reason. I'm ugly, autistic as fuck and still managed to get laid and eventually married because I used alcohol to mask. I'd still be a virgin now otherwise.
/r/PurplePillDebate25/06/26 02:25 PM
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Lilith's posts aren't what we deserve, but what we need right now.
/r/PurplePillDebate25/06/26 02:13 PM
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It's like telling a poor person to eat more healthily
/r/PurplePillDebate25/06/26 12:51 PM
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I'm 6'3 and built like a brick shithouse. The only thing I'm confident about is being bigger than 95% of other men.
/r/PurplePillDebate24/06/26 09:26 PM
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You've replied twice to the same comment. Which comment represents your true feelings? Is it the one above, or the one where you said you were basing your assessment on PPD men?
/r/PurplePillDebate24/06/26 09:04 PM
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Confidence can be learned It can be faked. If faking works and leads to positive outcomes then real confidence can be the result, so it's less of an learning process and more of a metamorphosis.
/r/PurplePillDebate24/06/26 08:48 PM
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I used to be in excellent shape and always wore fitted clothes, but I wasn't confident. To be honest, I think this might be a cultural thing. Where I'm from, being understated and self-effacing is more appreciated.
/r/PurplePillDebate24/06/26 08:36 PM
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That's not my experience. Maybe brash, cocky men like brash, cocky women, but it doesn't impress me. Having a backbone is different - you can be reserved and humble but still willing to stand up for what you believe and unwilling to be walked over.
/r/PurplePillDebate24/06/26 08:32 PM
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Not really. Most of the time, these days, I'm with my wife and 2 grown-up kids. When I used to spend time with friends, they were generally men who also liked drinking and football. Mostly who I went to school with.
/r/PurplePillDebate24/06/26 08:27 PM
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There's a bit more to confidence than that, though. If showing skin means confidence, then virtually every single woman I've seen today must be confident (we have a heatwave at the moment). Frequently making eye contact, which is how most women I've known have shown attraction, is a pretty low bar too. This just confirms how much more is expected of men when it comes to confidence, because wearing a tight-fitting shirt and saying "you're sexy" would not suffice for a man.
/r/PurplePillDebate24/06/26 08:24 PM
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It's just not an attribute that impresses me. If someone's confident because they're good at something in particular, then that's fine, but being confident for the sake of it? No, thanks. I prefer humility.
/r/PurplePillDebate24/06/26 07:38 PM
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I try not to let PPD women affect my opinion of women in general.
/r/PurplePillDebate24/06/26 06:53 PM
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It sounds like you only know shit men, or more likely many of us are invisible to you.
/r/PurplePillDebate24/06/26 06:35 PM
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Point 5 is very USA-centric. Conservatives where I'm from are either posh ponces, rabid racists, old men, religious nutjobs, or all of the above. But they're definitely not seen as more masculine.
/r/PurplePillDebate24/06/26 06:13 PM
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You're barking up the wrong tree. I'd take a pleasant 6/10 over a 9/10 bitch any day of the week.
/r/PurplePillDebate24/06/26 05:48 PM
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We might as well not talk about anything then
/r/PurplePillDebate24/06/26 04:29 PM
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Yes, men interact with confident men, but is it preferable to interacting with unconfident men? It doesn't make a difference to me; I tend to judge other men on how clever and witty they are, and how many interests we have in common. The most confident man I know, my brother-in-law, is a pain in the arse.
/r/PurplePillDebate24/06/26 04:26 PM
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If a woman makes the first move, that's confidence. Responding to an approach requires very little confidence in comparison. Thinking that it's in any way comparable speaks volumes. Girls don't need to be "hot" or bubbly to get attention, and there's a massive difference between not being bubbly and being a bitch. A bitch is deliberately unpleasant to people; a woman can be perfectly pleasant and interesting to talk to without being the life and soul of the party.
/r/PurplePillDebate24/06/26 04:18 PM
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It's fairly obvious. Confidence is preferable from a young age, so naturally confident boys will find success, and their confidence will grow as a result. Boys who aren't naturally confident won't find success, and their confidence will remain low. If women became 5% more beautiful every time they got a new boyfriend or got laid, the effect would be similar.
/r/PurplePillDebate24/06/26 04:00 PM
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confidence has always been something everyone likes If by "everyone" you mean "women". Confidence is neither here nor there for most men.
/r/PurplePillDebate24/06/26 03:55 PM
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Radical feminism is about revenge and supremacy, not equality.
/r/PurplePillDebate24/06/26 03:40 PM
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I'm acknowledging the difference. A beholder who's in love will probably perceive their partner as being more beautiful than they objectively are.
/r/PurplePillDebate24/06/26 01:47 PM
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Yeah, it's virtually never the best looking man, because at some point, even women who typically don't do casual sex will fall for the wiles of the local deadbeat player who's slept with 500 women but lives on his friends' sofas
/r/PurplePillDebate24/06/26 11:49 AM
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INFO: are you talking about PPD men, or men in general?
/r/PurplePillDebate24/06/26 11:28 AM
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I did say "objectively", so while it's great you feel that way, and I commend your decision to wait, your assessment doesn't refute my point.
/r/PurplePillDebate24/06/26 10:00 AM
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You're welcome. I did say objectively, and, of course, beauty is in the eye of the beholder.
/r/PurplePillDebate24/06/26 09:30 AM
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It's not true. Generally speaking, men settle down with the most objectively attractive woman they ever have sex with. Women end up with the least objectively attractive man they ever have sex with.
/r/PurplePillDebate24/06/26 09:25 AM
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She would sit there and agree And she'd probably share some lube recommendations.
/r/PurplePillDebate24/06/26 04:40 AM
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It was a joke reply to the person asking if it only applies to sex.
/r/PurplePillDebate23/06/26 05:08 PM
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I think I've seen her being right twice. I was so shocked that I commented just to congratulate. She relies heavily on motte and bailey tactics: at first she says she's talking about all men, and then it's proven that she's over-generalising, she admits she's talking about a few PPD men and some idiots she's seen on YouTube.
/r/PurplePillDebate23/06/26 11:06 AM
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Even a broken clock is right twice a day
/r/PurplePillDebate23/06/26 10:48 AM
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If there was a "hating the opposite gender" championship, you'd be winner every year. You need to get help before you commit some sort of crime.
/r/PurplePillDebate23/06/26 09:31 AM
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It's an apex fallacy. Unattractive count towards the "most men are chopped" theme, but they'll automatically have additional undesirable characteristics assigned to them, like the ones mentioned in the OP (emotionally unavailable, unwilling to settle down). Even though there's no way of knowing if they're true from a couple of photos and a few tidbits of info. It's essentially post-hoc rationalisation. Women push the narrative that looks aren't everything, and simply admitting that they find mos…
/r/PurplePillDebate23/06/26 07:47 AM
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It would make a good Cosmopolitan article - "Your Partner's Dinner-Date Choice And What It Means" - if anyone even still reads that.
/r/PurplePillDebate23/06/26 07:22 AM
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Usually when trying stuff out. This post, though, is proof of how disingenuous some people are on here. Straightaway, they have to jump to the worst possible conclusion and accuse men of the worst things. "I bet you wanted anal, even though she tried it once and almost died, but you still wanted to force it on her, you evil monster!" These people don't want a discussion. They just want an excuse to paint themselves as victims and men as predators, or as pathetically insecure. It doesn't have to …
/r/PurplePillDebate23/06/26 06:32 AM
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"Maybe we should eat at that new Thai place?" "No. It looks bad" "We could just give it a try" leaves and initiates divorce, ending 15 year marriage and separating father from 3 children
/r/PurplePillDebate23/06/26 05:18 AM
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That's happening up and down this thread, except with women complaining about imaginary men and imaginary coercion. Obviously, some women have an actual true story to tell, but most of the unhinged ones are just getting angry about strawman.
/r/PurplePillDebate23/06/26 05:05 AM
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we're getting a bit off-topic That is by design. Every time this topic comes up, it gets changed to, "Oh, so you want to coerce women into painful, degrading sex acts? You're a monster!" This kind of hysteria and hyperbole allows women to reclaim victimhood and avoid facing uncomfortable truths.
/r/PurplePillDebate23/06/26 05:02 AM
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Even in places where men don't have access to guns, the suicide rate is far higher. And guns don't have to be that messy anyway - a shot to the heart will kill just as efficiently as a headshot, and it won't prevent an open casket. I'm trying my best not to offend, but if someone tells people they're going to kill themselves and uses the least effective means of doing so, are they fully determined to kill themselves? The only woman I know who actually committed suicide waited until her family ha…
/r/PurplePillDebate22/06/26 04:05 PM
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Unless a woman is besotted by a man, she's generally looking for excuses to dump him.
/r/PurplePillDebate22/06/26 03:20 PM
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OK. When I say "talk therapy", I mean the navel gazing stuff. Talking about the time your mum didn't come to your football game, or your ex cheating on you, or whatever. I've done both types.
/r/PurplePillDebate22/06/26 03:17 PM
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They're desperate for women. Not women they can buy dinner for. I assume the thinking is that if they're going to have to pay anyway, they might as well do it with a younger, more attractive woman who doesn't spend the whole date banging on about the patriarchy.
/r/PurplePillDebate22/06/26 10:43 AM
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Another facet that usually gets ignored is the hormonal difference. Men's hormones are generally stable, but women become far more desirous for sex when ovulating, which is only a short period of time, once every 4 weeks or so. But when they're self-reporting, I reckon at least some of them are talking solely about their ovulation period, not the month as a whole. Which makes it seem like women's libidos are actually higher than they are.
/r/PurplePillDebate22/06/26 09:11 AM
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I think talking therapy is inherently more effective with women. Women rely more on verbalising their thoughts than men; they care more about "being seen" and understood, but men want their problem to be fixed. Techniques like CBT can be better for men, though. If you're such a strong supporter of existing mental health treatments for men, why is the male suicide rate so high despite male participation in mental health services being greater than ever before?
/r/PurplePillDebate22/06/26 06:21 AM
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Maybe we wouldn't need a men's mental health month if there was a treatment designed to help men, rather than a clone of the one used for women. Imagine if gynaecology was based on the male reproductive system. Would you be happy with that?
/r/PurplePillDebate21/06/26 11:03 PM
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I'll check those sources, but the URL text doesn't look promising for number 2 and 3. And I didn't say it was me and my buddies. I've heard far more than 89 men complain about therapy. Nice womansplaining, though. Update - as suspected, sources 2 and 3 are useless. 2 is from a psychology college so is obviously biased. 3 is a medical firm who sell therapy services.
/r/PurplePillDebate21/06/26 09:58 PM
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The point of it is to help women. When men are the patients, the point is to make money. If helping men was the aim, they wouldn't talk to us like we're women. BTW, your source involved a study on 89 patients. If it's the best you can find, that says more than I could ever say.
/r/PurplePillDebate21/06/26 09:41 PM
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I've been to a lot of therapy, and I've spoken to plenty of men who have as well.
/r/PurplePillDebate21/06/26 09:35 PM
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Therapy is significantly less effective for men. Partly because most therapists are female; partly because talking about emotions for talking's sake doesn't have the same benefits for a lot of men.
/r/PurplePillDebate21/06/26 09:30 PM
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But a lot of men here have the 'tism so the way they struggle with social interaction on top of how hard it already is Including me. But I had a few ONS as a young man, and I found a woman, got married and had kids. The secret ingredient was alcohol, which transformed me from a shy introvert into someone who could actually take the initiative and approach women. Gen Z doesn't want to hear that, though.
/r/PurplePillDebate21/06/26 09:23 PM
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I'm saying there's 2 types of women: a) women who are 100% heterosexual; b) women who are not 100%. Women who want men as much as men want them are part of group A. Women who don't want men as much as men want them are in group B. But both groups are still women.
/r/PurplePillDebate21/06/26 06:42 PM
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Are you saying lesbians, bi-sexuals, asexuals and low libido women are not women?
/r/PurplePillDebate21/06/26 04:41 PM
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There are misandrists on here who are actually married, so they're doing a very bad job of avoiding men.
/r/PurplePillDebate21/06/26 04:40 PM
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Because it's not equal.
/r/PurplePillDebate21/06/26 04:39 PM
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They are also pathetic.
/r/PurplePillDebate21/06/26 02:47 PM
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You said that people who generalise women are the most pathetic people on Earth. I was pointing out that there are people who are a lot more pathetic than that.
/r/PurplePillDebate21/06/26 02:33 PM
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fragile, pathetic human specimen on the planet Wait until you find out about child murderers and molesters
/r/PurplePillDebate21/06/26 02:23 PM
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While I'm no expert on American healthcare, isn't it unfair to compare NIH funding for endometriosis to venture funding for baldness? Correct me if I'm wrong, but wouldn't NIH funding come from the public purse, and venture funding would be donated privately?
/r/LeftWingMaleAdvocates21/06/26 11:56 AM
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It's a fact that one case proves nothing.
/r/PurplePillDebate21/06/26 11:48 AM
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OK, but one case proves nothing.
/r/PurplePillDebate21/06/26 11:08 AM
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women do not want men as badly as the other way around Lesbians, bisexual, asexual and low libido women. There's nothing wrong with being any of those, but if you are, you shouldn't project your attitude onto women in general.
/r/PurplePillDebate21/06/26 11:01 AM
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No. I'm just wondering why you pointed it out.
/r/PurplePillDebate21/06/26 10:49 AM
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So you don't think misogynists go on dates?
/r/PurplePillDebate21/06/26 10:43 AM
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Pretty stupid to expect free food and drinks from a stranger
/r/PurplePillDebate21/06/26 09:02 AM
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Why is body count preference classed as misogynistic, but expecting the man to pay instead of the woman is not classed as misandristic? Both are hypocritical.
/r/PurplePillDebate21/06/26 08:56 AM
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A man was found guilty of doing the same thing to a woman, so what's your point?
/r/PurplePillDebate20/06/26 11:57 PM
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Women are constrained by laws too. Would women start stealing and killing if those laws didn't exist?
/r/PurplePillDebate20/06/26 04:39 PM
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You don't really think this is somehow equivalent It's about as equal as someone starving to death, literally wasting away and dangerously underweight vs someone who's got lots to eat, but the vast majority is junk food, and a small percentage is lethally poisonous. Neither situation is healthy, but the former is far more likely to kill than the latter. Which is why the male suicide rate is higher than the female suicide rate and femicide figures put together.
/r/PurplePillDebate20/06/26 01:07 PM
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She's obviously frigid. He's obviously a loser.
/r/PurplePillDebate19/06/26 08:09 PM
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I have an 18 year old daughter. I've warned her that some men are dangerous, and I've probably exaggerated the risk, because I'd rather she be too cautious than not cautious enough. Either way, your comment makes no sense. You say we warn our daughters (women), but we don't want women to know. So which is it?
/r/PurplePillDebate19/06/26 07:53 PM
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Sounds like they deserve each other.
/r/PurplePillDebate19/06/26 06:19 PM
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Yeah, it's far from perfect. I'd have never met my wife without it, but I ended up with a major drink problem that took years to beat.
/r/PurplePillDebate19/06/26 04:03 PM
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This is where one of man's oldest inventions comes in handy: alcohol. If you're introverted, or even mildly autistic, booze will cure your ills.
/r/PurplePillDebate19/06/26 09:41 AM
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You have neither the means nor motive. Some women definitely have the motive, but maybe not the means. And why would you want to do to all current men what a minority of men in the past did? If a 25 year-old Jewish man decided to kill all present day Germans because of the Nazis' crimes, would you think that acceptable? Or if an African-American started executing white people because of the slave trade, would you support them?
/r/PurplePillDebate19/06/26 08:34 AM
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I was implying photos of a holiday involving a man and a woman may be of an explicit nature, and that the left behind partner of said woman might not appreciate them. It was a joke.
/r/PurplePillDebate18/06/26 09:41 PM
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Call me when you can and send photos I'm not sure I'd want photos
/r/PurplePillDebate18/06/26 08:53 PM
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You could always ask get to record plenty of footage so you don't feel left out.
/r/PurplePillDebate18/06/26 08:49 PM
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if women gain cultural, political, or institutional power without developing self-knowledge, they could also become oppressive toward men Oppression is only possible with the implicit threat of violence. While individual women are more than capable of being violent, can they organise and militarise? Apart from this single point, which was only a suggestion in any case, this was an interesting read.
/r/PurplePillDebate18/06/26 08:42 PM
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Yeah, I reckon there is some truth in that. But when I attempt home improvement-type work, I'm just as likely to infuriate my wife by fucking something up beyond repair, so it's a double-edged sword.
/r/PurplePillDebate18/06/26 01:58 PM
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Recently, it's been health issues. Before that, stress, as we have a severely disabled child. And yes, I do more than my fair share of parenting and always have done. Personally, for various reasons (not just my responses here) I put it down to settling and lack of attraction. Which is the main reason I'm on this sub, really. I don't believe in government-issued girlfriends, AWALT or most red pill stuff, though I also take issue with the blatant misandry that's becoming more prevalent these days…
/r/PurplePillDebate18/06/26 11:52 AM
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I nailed that one too. Doesn't make any difference.
/r/PurplePillDebate18/06/26 11:18 AM
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Chores are easy, though. They can be time-consuming and tiring, but they don't require skill or competency.
/r/PurplePillDebate18/06/26 10:45 AM
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The more chores a man does, the less attractive he becomes.
/r/PurplePillDebate18/06/26 10:42 AM
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This is bullshit. Statistics show that more egalitarian couples have less sex. Anecdotally, my wife is less likely to put out since I started doing the majority of chores, 10 years ago.
/r/PurplePillDebate18/06/26 10:38 AM
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Also, you guys suffer from Madonna whore complex Very few men suffer from Madonna-Whore Complex. M-W is when men struggle to sexualise a woman once they get married or enter a committed relationship, even though they had no trouble sexualising the same woman before marriage/commitment, nor do they have difficulty sexualising other women if being unfaithful. It's not the same as pursuing certain women for sex and other women for committed relationships. M-W involves seeing the same woman differen…
/r/PurplePillDebate18/06/26 09:42 AM
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You don't know what you're talking about, because I can find a 20 year old attractive, and I can also find a 60 year old attractive. You're relying on a hackneyed stereotype of men. This isn't all your fault; a lot of men on PPD do claim they only find young women attractive. But you're also believing what you want to believe, as it suits your argument. Even if men do disqualify a large number of women, we're nowhere near as harsh. I didn't mention fairness once. We don't expect to be the 5th mo…
/r/PurplePillDebate18/06/26 05:53 AM
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I meant 10 single men of a suitable age. I wasn't including 90 year olds and married or partnered men. If a man sees 10 single women of a suitable age, he'll probably find 5 of them attractive. Why would I be having a pity party? I'm married, so I can look at this dispassionately. You've incorrectly assumed I'm some bitter incel. When did I say "the 5th most attractive man on Earth"? I said her "5th choice". Do you honestly believe you can choose from every man on Earth? Talk about delusion and …
/r/PurplePillDebate17/06/26 09:06 PM
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OK, sorry. Radfem logic.
/r/PurplePillDebate17/06/26 08:23 PM
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That's a weird of spelling, "We take our frustrations out on the unattractive men but say nothing to the attractive men because we still want to fuck them".
/r/PurplePillDebate17/06/26 07:40 PM
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So somebody who says "I've never hurt anyone, so I shouldn't be included" is just as dangerous as a convicted rapist and murderer? If that's female logic, it's no wonder you don't see the red flags with psychos, abusers and fuck-bois.
/r/PurplePillDebate17/06/26 05:38 PM
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That's not what average means. You could have a group of 100 men, and their average height might be 5"9.5. But there could quite easily not be a single man within that group who is that height.
/r/PurplePillDebate17/06/26 03:36 PM
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people who go out and do those things are obviously worse than those who merely fantasize about them You'd think so. But apparently the men who objected to being labeled as more dangerous than bears are the reason men are more dangerous than bears. Not the men who assault women. That's what I was repeatedly told by bots women, anyway.
/r/PurplePillDebate17/06/26 03:08 PM
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I think it's more of a protest against the fact that abusive men are selected at all. No sane man is claiming that good men are never selected.
/r/PurplePillDebate17/06/26 02:59 PM
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"We lose our sons, we lose our husbands, we lose our brothers" - and those sons, brothers and husbands are all of which gender?
/r/LeftWingMaleAdvocates17/06/26 02:45 PM
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The "someone she's attracted to" is already ruling out a huge proportion of men, though. If you see ten men in a day, how many of those will you find physically attractive? 1? 2, perhaps? Or more likely 0. The remaining 10% then have to be compatible in numerous different ways, to the extent that you're filtering out >99% in the end. At that point, you're insisting on prime steak. I see your point re settling. Somebody has to settle, in the end, though. And IMO, it should be men. A man can be wi…
/r/PurplePillDebate17/06/26 02:31 PM
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If someone refuses to settle for anyone but the ideal, they can't really complain about being lonely. It's like somebody saying they're hungry but refusing to eat anything other than prime steak. I don't think women should settle, BTW. That leads to unhappiness, both for the woman and the man she settles for. I think woman would be happier if their standards weren't as high, but there's no way they can lower their standards without settling for less than they think they deserve. And I can't see …
/r/PurplePillDebate17/06/26 11:31 AM
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I think the reasoning behind the perceived disparity in loneliness - though I'm not sure if it's true - is that women are not truly alone. They tend to have more friends, and while they might not have committed partners, they're more likely to be involved in situationships. These relationships don't fully shield them from loneliness, but I suppose it's better years without so much as a peck on the cheek. Also, with women their loneliness is deemed as voluntary. We're constantly being told that w…
/r/PurplePillDebate17/06/26 06:57 AM
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Agreed. People who talk about not needing their partner want to appear strong and self-sufficient, but to me they just look soulless and robotic. As though if they split up, or their partner died, they'd just be a little disappointed, like their favourite TV show was cancelled. To me, if you don't need someone, you don't love them. If losing them doesn't break something in you, the bond between you is weak. Which is fine - most relationships doesn't last anyway. On here, it's usually women echoi…
/r/PurplePillDebate17/06/26 06:22 AM
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That's understandable, and I wouldn't protest if that sentiment was reserved for men like those. But if you have a look at the other replies to me, you've got somebody saying "men aren't lonely enough" because some men expect blowjobs but don't reciprocate. Sure, those men are selfish, and their selfishness should be corrected, but should men as a whole suffer loneliness because some men are shitty? I hate the tendency to just use "men" instead of "some men" or even "most men". To me it seems di…
/r/PurplePillDebate17/06/26 06:02 AM
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Honestly, it baffles me how in many areas, the US is the advanced country on Earth, but when it comes to religion, it's basically mediaeval.
/r/PurplePillDebate17/06/26 05:27 AM
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Nobody does being offended better than religious people.
/r/PurplePillDebate16/06/26 10:14 PM
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I've got nothing to say about the overall premise of the post, but it's funny watching Americans arguing about fairy story lore.
/r/PurplePillDebate16/06/26 09:03 PM
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I've known many charismatic people. One of my best friends as a younger man always had a girlfriend, but he'd cheat on her about once a month with different women. He was good looking and extremely charming, and women threw themselves at him. And he was friends with everyone, male and female. Another extremely charismatic man I've known was a violent, drug gang psychopath who'd treated women exactly like my friend did. He was also popular with men, but also feared because he was a champion Thai …
/r/PurplePillDebate16/06/26 03:16 PM
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Well, women don't think it's better, not judging by the complaints on here. Mind you, some of the PPD regulars think they're as oppressed as Regency women, so maybe we're asking the wrong people. Asking men if they care is like asking a fan of a once-successful sports team if they care about their rivals now being more successful.
/r/PurplePillDebate16/06/26 02:50 PM
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That would be impressive, to be fair.
/r/LeftWingMaleAdvocates16/06/26 01:38 PM
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It's funny because you're a misandrist. Just like how men who laugh at sexist generalisations of women, however accurate they may be in some cases, are misogynists. If you could care less, that means you do care to some degree. By saying men aren't lonely enough, you've proven you do think like incels. Incels laugh at the misfortunes of women because they think that, due to the poor behaviour of some women, all women should suffer. You think that, because some men are shitty, all men should be m…
/r/PurplePillDebate16/06/26 01:11 PM
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Maybe she prefers brain surgeons
/r/LeftWingMaleAdvocates16/06/26 12:12 PM
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Why would there not be overlaps between these groups? Most anti-porn people are feminist (though not all feminists are anti-porn). Most man-haters are feminist (though not all feminists hate men). The odds are that some women will be both anti-porn and man-hating. Edit to add - I'm not particularly pro-porn. I can go a while without watching any, and the stuff I do watch is pretty tame. If it disappeared tomorrow, I'd get over it.
/r/PurplePillDebate16/06/26 12:02 PM
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I know. But it shows there's a growing number of women who hate all men just because of their gender. Do you think extremist misandristic women like these want men to have pleasure? Or would they rather men be miserable? If you believe the former, ask yourself if you think extremist misogynistic men want women to have pleasure. When someone hates people with a passion, they'll latch onto any movement that'll disadvantage the people they hate, even if it benefits them in no other way. Like incels…
/r/PurplePillDebate16/06/26 11:38 AM
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I'm sure some proponents of porn-banning have altruistic reasons like those in your second paragraph. But considering the growing popularity of the slogan "men aren't lonely enough", I presume some of the anti-porn brigade just want to spite men.
/r/PurplePillDebate16/06/26 11:18 AM
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How much money are we talking?
/r/PurplePillDebate16/06/26 05:29 AM
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Even trans men, who aren’t the most masculine of men, say so That might be how they feel. But without speaking to the people they think respect them more as men, we don't know if that's actually true. Could it not be that they feel more respected because they're happier within themselves, living as their true gender rather than that assigned at birth?
/r/PurplePillDebate16/06/26 05:28 AM
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It's good that you care about that, but most people don't.
/r/PurplePillDebate16/06/26 05:24 AM
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I wouldn't put too much faith in such statistics. Where I live, domestic abuse against men is classed as "violence against women and girls". Every time a woman attacks her male partner, he's counted as a female victim, which gives the impression that IPV is exclusively male-on-female. That's how much privilege men get here.
/r/PurplePillDebate16/06/26 05:22 AM
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In the UK, if a man and a woman with identical criminal records commit the exact same crime, the man's sentence will be 30% more severe on average.
/r/PurplePillDebate16/06/26 05:15 AM
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Are you aware that getting pregnant is not an inevitability?
/r/PurplePillDebate16/06/26 05:10 AM
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More likely because I'm autistic, and I don't really drink anymore. When younger I was a heavy binge drinker, which helped me mask. I suppose I prefer to be around men like myself. Not loudmouths, basically, because I'm a firm believer that empty vessels make the most noise.
/r/PurplePillDebate16/06/26 04:30 AM
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I have a dry sense of humour, and people who know me tend to think I'm funny. But I'm also awkward and shy, so I wouldn't say I'm charismatic per se.
/r/PurplePillDebate16/06/26 04:03 AM
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I think they'd prefer it to 5+ years without so much as a peck on the cheek.
/r/PurplePillDebate15/06/26 08:39 PM
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This is textbook madonna-whore-complex. They unconsciously choose to marry the madonna It's definitely not. Unless you're referring to a different M-W complex than Freud's. According to him, in the afflicted man's eyes, his woman would start as the whore and then become the madonna once they were married and had children. It's not a case of classifying some women as whores and some as madonnas. That sounds more like a male version of dual-mating strategy. M-W complex is not dual-mating because i…
/r/PurplePillDebate15/06/26 08:32 PM
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Apart from me.
/r/PurplePillDebate15/06/26 04:20 PM
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You're only as good as your last potential fuck-up
/r/PurplePillDebate15/06/26 02:46 PM
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Madonna-Whore is not the same as the dual mating strategy. M-W refers to when men struggle to sexualise a woman once they get married or enter a committed relationship, even though they had no trouble sexualising the same woman before marriage/commitment, nor will they have difficulty sexualising other women if being unfaithful. A perfect example is the character played by John Leguizamo in the movie Summer of Sam. Dual mating is when individuals pursue entirely different types of people for sex…
/r/PurplePillDebate15/06/26 12:51 PM
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Most men would prefer low value attention to total invisibility. Men do notice average women. The majority of men will find something attractive about even the most objectively 5/10 woman you could find, because men like women as a whole. Subconsciously, we look for reasons to be attracted; women look for any excuse to reject.
/r/PurplePillDebate15/06/26 11:59 AM
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I very much doubt that's who she's talking about.
/r/PurplePillDebate15/06/26 11:24 AM
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A lot of men would love to be the male equivalent of a cum dumpster, so your sarcasm falls flat.
/r/PurplePillDebate15/06/26 11:22 AM
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Judging by the number of comments, a lot of people want to talk about this. If that doesn't include you, perhaps you just need to postpone your participation until you're ready.
/r/PurplePillDebate15/06/26 07:13 AM
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People can gain more knowledge, but they can't become more intelligent. They can express themselves artistically more frequently, but they'll never be as creative as a natural. As for confidence, you can fake it, but without external validation, you can't truly become more confident.
/r/PurplePillDebate14/06/26 08:38 PM
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You've misunderstood. The former becomes charismatic thanks to validation due to his looks; the latter becomes bitter thanks to rejection due to his looks. That's not to say there are no ugly charismatic men, but there are many more attractive charismatic men.
/r/PurplePillDebate14/06/26 08:16 PM
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Saying "be confident" is like saying "be intelligent" or "be artistic". You're either confident/intelligent/artistic or not. Although you can pretend to be confident, intelligent and artistic, you can't fool people forever.
/r/PurplePillDebate14/06/26 08:13 PM
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If misogyny were only about hating women, there wouldn't be many misogynists at all. It's rare I see or hear a man saying he hates women or that all women are awful, a lot rarer than women saying they hate men or that all men are awful. It's definitely far more common to see patronising or demeaning comments like the one you mentioned about women needing men to manage their lives. Which is something I don't subscribe to at all, probably because I've spent a lot of my life around strong, opiniona…
/r/PurplePillDebate14/06/26 05:03 PM
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A guy can run a mile in less than 4 minutes. So are we going to admit that obesity and heart disease aren't problems for society?
/r/PurplePillDebate14/06/26 03:50 PM
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This is a just world fallacy. Besides, you're either contradicting yourself, or you're contradicting blue pill/feminist narratives as a whole. BP/feminists tell us that incels are rare, that most average and even some below average men have relationships. BP/feminists also claim that misogyny is rife, that the world is full of shitty men who mistreat women. You say most misogynists are incels, which means you either think that most men are not misogynists, or that there are a lot of incels.
/r/PurplePillDebate14/06/26 03:47 PM
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The difference being that one grew up attractive, and the other didn't.
/r/PurplePillDebate14/06/26 03:38 PM
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Hard water is ice, which is a solid, not a liquid. There's no such thing as hard liquid.
/r/PurplePillDebate14/06/26 03:34 PM
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It's not just that she doesn't want him to do it again in the future. She's so horrified that she wants him to get in trouble with HR.
/r/PurplePillDebate14/06/26 05:41 AM
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And I'm explaining that consent can me given or not based on this The meme isn't about whether the 2 men should do this again in the future.
/r/PurplePillDebate13/06/26 11:46 PM
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Her reaction to the attractive man implies consent to say something similar in the future. And her reaction to the unattractive man implies the opposite. But her reaction isn't due to lack of consent for the original comment, because she gave neither of them consent to make the original. So just saying the word "consent", as you did, doesn't explain why she reacted differently in the first place.
/r/PurplePillDebate13/06/26 11:43 PM
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Where in the cartoon does the woman consent to the attractive man complimenting her?
/r/PurplePillDebate13/06/26 08:23 PM
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And please remember America isn't a sweet little country that coddles problem people Your president is a paedophile and a war criminal. Not only do you coddle problem people, but you promote them to the highest office in the land. While many other "sweet little countries" have taken action against their Epstein-implicated individuals, big bad USA has its head buried in the sand. Right wing misogynists control your nation from root to branch, and all you do is join marches, carry witty placards a…
/r/PurplePillDebate13/06/26 06:52 PM
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That will NOT be tolerated How exactly will you enforce this?
/r/PurplePillDebate13/06/26 05:13 PM
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Are the people claiming men hit their peak over 50 in the room with us now?
/r/PurplePillDebate13/06/26 04:19 PM
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Men are dangerous. Women are dangerous. Dogs are dangerous. Cars are dangerous. Trees are dangerous. Boilers are dangerous. Lightning is dangerous. However, most men don't kill; most women don't weaponise the justice system; most dogs are friendly; cars are generally fine if driven correctly; trees are harmless unless there's a storm; well-maintained boilers don't explode; lightning can be easily avoided. So yes, men are inherently dangerous, but most of the time their potential to do harm remai…
/r/PurplePillDebate13/06/26 02:37 PM
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I've not disagreed with you, so I don't know why you're trying to convince me. But it's funny how you make out that it's a new thing that beauty standards apply to men. Like I said, they only didn't apply to men for a short period, which finished years ago, and the flipped version has lasted longer so far anyway.
/r/PurplePillDebate13/06/26 10:10 AM
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the same beauty standards they've had no issues imposing on women are flipped on them Do you think women didn't have beauty standards for men in the past? You reckon all women found every man attractive? Of course not. They found handsome men handsome and ugly men ugly. The only difference is they now have the power to act on their preferences. Besides, most men in the past weren't able to enforce their beauty standards either. They took what they could get. The only ones who had a choice were r…
/r/PurplePillDebate13/06/26 09:52 AM
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Who's Courtney? Is she one of the PPD mods?
/r/PurplePillDebate12/06/26 02:13 PM
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I thought as much.
/r/PurplePillDebate12/06/26 12:03 PM
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Men aren't as physically strong these days because society doesn't tend to jump to violence as quickly. A lot of men hit their 30s and have never had a fight in their lives. Which is generally a good thing, of course, but it does mean that men are typically weaker.
/r/PurplePillDebate12/06/26 10:59 AM
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I've heard some environments are worse than others. School/college/university is the obvious one, but apparently nurses can be extremely bitchy too.
/r/PurplePillDebate11/06/26 10:16 PM
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Queen Elizabeth II Volodymyr Zelenskyy
/r/PurplePillDebate11/06/26 09:16 PM
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"Self pleasure"? Why do they think men do it? They probably think we only do it while plotting mass rapes, or something
/r/PurplePillDebate11/06/26 03:19 PM
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What "more responsible ways", exactly?
/r/PurplePillDebate11/06/26 02:11 PM
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Basically, you just said that men and women do the same thing, but men do it for nefarious reasons and women do it for innocent reasons.
/r/PurplePillDebate11/06/26 01:23 PM
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You should add a TL;DR saying "because men bad women good"
/r/PurplePillDebate11/06/26 12:14 PM
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I've already taught them. Besides, they're practically adults now. If a kid's not learnt something by the time they're 18, the only way they'll learn it is for themselves.
/r/PurplePillDebate10/06/26 09:08 PM
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Yeah. 20 year old and an 18 (as of next week) year old. You?
/r/PurplePillDebate10/06/26 08:41 PM
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*Noncery
/r/PurplePillDebate10/06/26 08:38 PM
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If only parenting was that simple.
/r/PurplePillDebate10/06/26 08:18 PM
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Some men don't like kiddie fiddlers. The rest need their hard drives checking.
/r/PurplePillDebate10/06/26 08:16 PM
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I sincerely hope you don't have any sons.
/r/PurplePillDebate10/06/26 08:01 PM
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Fair enough. At least you've tried it so you're speaking from experience. Some people just say stuff like that to sound cool.
/r/PurplePillDebate10/06/26 11:00 AM
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I think there’s just a fundamental miscommunication between the entire world and her
/r/PurplePillDebate10/06/26 09:36 AM
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On the more 'normie' subs, I see a lot of the "sex is just a fun activity between 2 people, like playing tennis" opinion, which to me suggests they're a bit weird or aren't as experienced as they claim.
/r/PurplePillDebate10/06/26 09:36 AM
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Everywhere I go on Reddit, everybody is extremely sex-positive, and they do tend to look down on people who aren't as promiscuous as they (say they) are.
/r/PurplePillDebate10/06/26 07:26 AM
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Don't mind her. Thoroughly unpleasant pseudo-intellectual who insults people and then reports them when they retort in the same manner.
/r/PurplePillDebate10/06/26 07:22 AM
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When I was 19, on the last night of a lads' holiday on the Greek isle of Corfu, I slept with a 30 year old woman, and I fell for her quite hard. I was sad for a few days afterwards, knowing I'd never see her again. This was well before social media, most people didn't have email, and she lived on the opposite side of the country to me. Other ONS didn't affect me at all. Maybe it's because the sex was by far the best with her, and she seemed like the nicest. Plus I'd been pursuing her for a few d…
/r/PurplePillDebate10/06/26 06:12 AM
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In this economy?
/r/PurplePillDebate09/06/26 06:42 PM
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Basically, IMO, it's just the inverse of slut-shaming. Although I'd love to say there's some deeper meaning behind it, or that it says something compelling about gender relations, I believe it's the old dichotomy between pure woman = good/experienced man = good. People will rationalise post-hoc in a way that suits their sensibilities, but the truth is probably a lot simpler than they'll admit.
/r/PurplePillDebate09/06/26 06:30 PM
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English is not my first language Seriously? I would've never guessed. And, for once, I'm not being sarcastic.
/r/PurplePillDebate09/06/26 06:20 PM
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So is it BelieveWomen or BelieveSomeWomenSometimes?
/r/PurplePillDebate08/06/26 11:03 PM
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I can assure you it is. It is in my case, anyway, and I very much doubt I'm an outlier.
/r/PurplePillDebate08/06/26 11:01 PM
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Yeah, but men aren't demanding that everybody believe them 100% of the time.
/r/PurplePillDebate08/06/26 05:46 PM
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You're right. But in your original reply to someone else, you accused them of fabricating a situation with which he could enrage himself. I was merely pointing out that his example wasn't that far-fetched. You can't say, "That's not real" and then argue anecdotal when someone gives you something that is real.
/r/PurplePillDebate08/06/26 03:36 PM
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That's only in one country, though. And I did qualify it by saying reproductive rights don't favour women.
/r/PurplePillDebate08/06/26 02:37 PM
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It was. Don't worry. Some people on here are deliberately obtuse.
/r/PurplePillDebate08/06/26 02:03 PM
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Does the system still oppress women, though, overall? They still get affirmative action in employment areas where they're now equal. Criminal sentencing is more lenient for women. Schoolgirls get better marks for the same work as schoolboys. More money is spent on research for female-only illnesses than male-only. In countries with conscription, men are far more likely to be drafted. Women are less likely to be the victims of most types of crime and violence. Less likely to die at work. Less lik…
/r/PurplePillDebate08/06/26 01:58 PM
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Nobody should have unimpeachable credibility. Women who push for this are mentally ill.
/r/PurplePillDebate08/06/26 01:46 PM
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If you're talking about women being seen as property, you should remember that the vast majority of men were also seen as property. Owned by the local lord, working for him, forced to fight battles for him if ordered. Neither men nor women were free - they just had different owners. I suppose it's a question of whether you'd prefer to be owned by Baron Cockface from the castle up the road, or your husband/father.
/r/PurplePillDebate08/06/26 01:15 PM
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She doesn't do any of the maintenance. She cooks 3 or 4 times per week, but if she doesn't feel well, that becomes 0 times per week. And I wouldn't call that abusive either. It was childish of me to stop. But again, I was doing it alone and being berated at the same time. It was in a hallway nobody had to use at that point anyway, and I only stopped for half an hour so I could go and calm down. You're making assumptions about my situation.
/r/PurplePillDebate08/06/26 01:11 PM
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I've been called abusive for not doing my weekly mop of the floors because I didn't feel well. Also once because we had an argument while I painting walls, and I refused to do anymore as a result. And these examples involved an intelligent woman who is generally a wonderful person. Some women just use the "abuse" word too often, probably because it's constantly being shoved into their brains by social media.
/r/PurplePillDebate08/06/26 12:08 PM
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Maybe if you meet him on a desert island. But if you can see how he interacts with other people, at least some of them will give themselves away. Of course, others are consummate actors who can wear a mask 99% of the time, but that takes a rare amount of discipline. Most men don't have that much patience. Without being uncharitable, I think some women turn a blind eye to certain behaviours because they're infatuated. It's easy to ignore red flags, until it's too late.
/r/PurplePillDebate08/06/26 09:08 AM
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Attractive doesn't mean attractive?
/r/PurplePillDebate08/06/26 09:01 AM
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Sorry, I should've added an /s. I'm British, and sarcasm is my default.
/r/PurplePillDebate08/06/26 09:00 AM
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Sorry, I should've added an /s. I'm British, and sarcasm is my default.
/r/PurplePillDebate08/06/26 08:59 AM
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This is like saying most white people want a return to slavery and segregation because a minority of white supremacists are loudly racist. Yes, those people are disgusting, and they should be shunned and prosecuted if they break any laws, but they don't even nearly represent the majority. Even within the "pillosphere", most men don't want a return to oppression for women. The more moderate among us might complain about certain factors, but we don't believe women should be chained to the kitchen …
/r/PurplePillDebate08/06/26 08:13 AM
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Are you talking about me? I don't mention Chad that often, and when I do, it's usually tongue in cheek, as it was with my reply this time. I should've added an /s, really, but I refuse to Americanise myself.
/r/PurplePillDebate08/06/26 08:03 AM
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oppressed party for centuries You can't punish someone for the sins of their father. Do you think the average American should be atoning for the way your ancestors treated indigenous Americans, or victims of the slave trade? Sometimes the war has to happen for a better outcome to occur. For freedom to be had and for sides to be remedied The war has happened. You guys won. It wasn't a total annihilation, but you gained a lot and lost virtually nothing, so it was a victory by definition. But what'…
/r/PurplePillDebate08/06/26 08:01 AM
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Out of interest, what do you think are the odds, mathematically speaking, of the one man you want in the world also considering you the one woman he wants in the world? We're talking astronomical odds here. If men had the same selectiveness as women, virtually nobody would ever partner. Luckily, most men will have a group of women they'd consider - if they had the chance. Once you're with him for a while, depending on how much of a pain in the arse you are and whether you make life better or wor…
/r/PurplePillDebate08/06/26 07:31 AM
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There's nothing special about being a woman who men would have sex with. But if he wants to keep doing it, if he wants to spend time with you not having sex, if he stops pursuing other women, if he seems happy around you, if he wants to move in with you, if he treats you well, and if he speaks well of you to other people, then you can safely assume he's not settling for you.
/r/PurplePillDebate08/06/26 07:22 AM
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It's a silly idea anyway. We all know that even lesbians are happily heterosexual for Chad
/r/PurplePillDebate07/06/26 11:43 PM
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In my very first reply to you, I asked if you thought Epstein invited factory workers and bus drivers to his island. I assumed that made it clear I was referring to the top 1%.
/r/PurplePillDebate07/06/26 10:07 PM
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Households include husbands and partners. These households wouldn't even exist if (a) women weren't attracted to abusers and (b) abusers got their heads kicked in the first time they raised their hand.
/r/PurplePillDebate07/06/26 09:15 PM
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I admire your willingness to defend people who literally wouldn't care if you lived or died. Have you not read any of the Epstein files? Some of these people talk about the rest us like we're a plague to be eradicated. They abuse poor, defenceless people with impunity, and they get away with it because they all band together. They cause wars, riots and poverty while enriching themselves and playing with rockets. You might aspire to be like them, but remember you're a lot closer to me than you ar…
/r/PurplePillDebate07/06/26 09:12 PM
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OK. A lot of households are not abusive, though. But violence or mistreatment from a boyfriend would quite often provoke retaliation from brothers and father. I'm getting on, and I remember hearing other men shitting themselves after cheating on their girlfriend because the girl had brothers or a dad who liked a scrap
/r/PurplePillDebate07/06/26 06:32 PM
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Both aren't "just as" capable of being evil. Dark triad men are of above average attractiveness to women. Dark triad men are more likely to be abusive. Of course, there will be dark triad men who aren't attractive, and there will be abusive people who don't have dark triad traits, but on the balance of probabilities, a less attractive man is less likely to be abusive. I'm not trying to moralise attractiveness; I'm trying to amoralise it. People are more likely to choose more attractive partners,…
/r/PurplePillDebate07/06/26 02:49 PM
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More freedom usually means less protection. In the past, men would be more reluctant to abuse a woman if he knew her dad and brothers would kick the shit out of him. A lot of dads on the scene nowadays, and too many brothers couldn't fight their way out of a paper bag.
/r/PurplePillDebate07/06/26 01:22 PM
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They're good at what they do, and they can always find someone else to victimise once a relationship's run its course.
/r/PurplePillDebate07/06/26 01:19 PM
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Many a true word spoken in jest. Yeah, I'm sure a lot of these abusers are charming and manipulative. But also, some people are a lot easier to charm and manipulate.
/r/PurplePillDebate07/06/26 01:17 PM
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1) Men are richer than women at the highest income levels. Women might be doing better economically now, but the wealthiest are still white men. 2) Perhaps the most harmful flaw one can have - psychopathy - is ridiculously over-represented amongst the rich and successful. Selfishness, avarice, a willingness to tread on other people on your way to the top: all far more prevalent amongst the financial elite. The richer and more powerful someone is, the less moral. Elon Musk, Donald Trump, Jeff Bez…
/r/PurplePillDebate07/06/26 12:41 PM
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I provided a source for something a lot of people suspect anyway: bad men are more attractive to women. That isn't a moral judgment; that's just the way it is. The person I was replying to was supporting the just world fallacy. Elsewhere on this post, she claimed that attractive men are not more abusive than unattractive ones. Because that's what she wants to believe, that the world is fair, that there's the same percentage of attractive men who are non-abusive as there is of unattractive men wh…
/r/PurplePillDebate07/06/26 12:26 PM
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The fisherman/fish is for what women want. "Bring to the table" is what is being offered to women, ie what they want. It's the same question. OP's asking "what do women want that these men are providing?"
/r/PurplePillDebate07/06/26 12:12 PM
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I'm sure plenty of women are like you, charitable but not at your own expense (nor would I expect you to be). Unfortunately, some aren't. Just as there are racist people who don't view other races as fully human, and homophobes who don't view gay people as fully human, there are women - and men, of course - who are ableist and don't see disabled people as fully human. Because essentially, that's the divide we're seeing: most of these "weak men" are in fact neurodivergent.
/r/PurplePillDebate07/06/26 11:08 AM
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Thanks, but I have 2 points: 1) Poor men don't get the same protection from the law as rich men. They can't hire the best lawyers, and they can't pay women to keep quiet. 2) Lower socioeconomic status is also correlated with cultural diversity. In less wealthy, developing parts of the world, women are less equal, abuse more prevalent. Those attitudes aren't necessarily left behind when people migrate to the western world and can persist from one generation to the next.
/r/PurplePillDebate07/06/26 11:01 AM
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A lot of these weak men are autistic. Autism is pretty much the only disability that it's okay to be ableist about - as long as the autist is male. So because our ancestors thought pollution wasn't a big deal, there are shit-loads more young people struggling these days: https://hsph.harvard.edu/news/air-pollution-linked-with-increased-risk-of-autism-in-children/ Autism in women doesn't have as much of an impact on their ability to attract men - though sadly, it can lead to more exploitation and…
/r/PurplePillDebate07/06/26 10:53 AM
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A lot of innocent men who had the temerity to object to being lumped in with the rapists during the man vs bear fiasco were told they were the reason women chose the bear. Not the rapists themselves - they weren't the reason. Effectively, Chads were doing the raping, and the nerds were getting the blaming.
/r/PurplePillDebate07/06/26 10:37 AM
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If women start to see these men as human, they might find things they like about them.
/r/PurplePillDebate07/06/26 10:32 AM
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society of dominant females No, he said protect men from abusive mothers, not let the abusive mothers run society.
/r/PurplePillDebate07/06/26 10:26 AM
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Offering female inmates early release from prison if they date an undateable Maybe the legal system could give women the same sentences as men with the same criminal records who commit the same crimes. And then those now equally-treated women could get an early release from prison if they date an undateable. With your idea, they're getting ~30% shorter prison terms in the first place (because they're women), and then they're getting even less punishment for agreeing to the undateable scheme. Tha…
/r/PurplePillDebate07/06/26 10:25 AM
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The upper classes are just as, if not more, abusive than working classes. Do you think Epstein invited many factory workers or bus drivers to his island?
/r/PurplePillDebate07/06/26 10:10 AM
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Dark triad men are more attractive
/r/PurplePillDebate07/06/26 10:07 AM
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It's scientifically proven that dark triad men are more attractive. Dark triad personalities are obviously more likely to be abusive too, so I'm not going to bother finding a source for that. On the other hand the just world theory, which you seem to subscribe to, is disproven to the degree that it's now classed as a fallacy.
/r/PurplePillDebate07/06/26 10:05 AM
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Ah, the old "don't ask the fish, ask the fisherman" argument. Didn't expect to hear it from a woman.
/r/PurplePillDebate07/06/26 09:54 AM
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So why are being told it's an "epidemic" and a "national emergency"?
/r/PurplePillDebate07/06/26 09:52 AM
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Did you not know? The most dangerous men in the world aren't the ones with proven track records of assaulting and harassing women. The most dangerous men in the world are the ones who object to being tarred by the same brush applied to the active predators. They're the reason women would sensibly rather risk their lives with a 600lbs grizzly rather than a 150lbs nerd. However, this "hit dog hollers" formula doesn't work with other criticisms. For example, if a woman complains about offensive gen…
/r/PurplePillDebate07/06/26 09:25 AM
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Abusive men are apparently very good at making women feel safe. So safe that they'll sleep with them much quicker than non-safe-seeming men. Sometimes within hours. It's nothing to do with excitement, apparently, and looks aren't as important as we think, apparently. Money is irrelevant too, apparently, because women have their own money. As we all know, once people have their own money, they refuse anyone else's, which is why employed lottery winners always donate their prize in full to charity…
/r/PurplePillDebate07/06/26 09:16 AM
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Sorry to disappoint, but I'm not Dutch. It's a football thing.
/r/PurplePillDebate07/06/26 06:29 AM
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Well, Wikipedia's always begging for money. Maybe they and the feminists came to some sort of... ahem... mutually-beneficial agreement.
/r/LeftWingMaleAdvocates06/06/26 11:17 PM
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I feel a great disturbance in the force. I agree with one of Lilith's posts.
/r/PurplePillDebate06/06/26 11:13 PM
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It means she beat off 66 other guys
/r/PurplePillDebate06/06/26 04:22 PM
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Here we've got the BBC, who in theory are neutral, but they need to justify their license fee so don't have as much integrity as they used to. Plus it seems half the men working there are sex offenders.
/r/PurplePillDebate06/06/26 03:46 PM
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If only there was not-for-profit journalism. Or nationalised journalism, though depending where you live, that could very easily end up being propaganda.
/r/PurplePillDebate06/06/26 02:42 PM
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I knew you'd see sense.
/r/PurplePillDebate06/06/26 02:20 PM
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Probably to disguise the fact it's absolute shite, like virtually all pop music.
/r/PurplePillDebate06/06/26 02:07 PM
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Coming to conclusions about the lives of strangers has no bearing on my happiness. The fact you've assumed as much implies that's something which factors into your emotional well-being. Which is fine. Different strokes and all that, but I'm not sure why you're projecting your bizarre motivations onto me.
/r/PurplePillDebate06/06/26 02:02 PM
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Are you using the correct definition of "average", or the female version?
/r/PurplePillDebate06/06/26 01:55 PM
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You really need to use a better example than Milly Alcock. She's half a chromosome short of Downs Syndrome.
/r/PurplePillDebate06/06/26 01:49 PM
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No, they're using "average" correctly. Over 60% of men aged 20 - 30 are have been single for a prolonged period if time. Women believe the top 20% is above average, and the bottom 80% is below average. Which is nonsense by definition, but irrationality and maths don't mix.
/r/PurplePillDebate06/06/26 01:48 PM
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I'm not interested in submissiveness. Femininity IMO is generally natural; it can't be simulated unless someone's a good actor or was born the wrong gender. It's things like pitch of voice, gait, facial expressions etc.
/r/PurplePillDebate06/06/26 01:41 PM
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Going off means ranting, but I was just trying to help. It wasn't me you were originally replying to anyway.
/r/PurplePillDebate06/06/26 01:38 PM
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Full caps means someone's angry, or crashing out Mixed case is taking the piss out of someone, like repeating what they're saying in a funny voice
/r/PurplePillDebate06/06/26 01:35 PM
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Sorry, I wasn't telling you to do it. Just being lazy - I meant "they should write it".
/r/PurplePillDebate06/06/26 01:04 PM
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Sure. So write the article with that tone, rather than "here's another reason why young boys are a threat".
/r/PurplePillDebate06/06/26 12:32 PM
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It depends how she feels about it. Does she accept she's only average? If not, she's settling. If she accept it, does she still think she's somehow entitled to better? If so, she's settling.
/r/PurplePillDebate06/06/26 11:45 AM
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I'd rather be single for 10 life times than be a cuck in any of the ways described. I'm too possessive for that kind of carry-on.
/r/PurplePillDebate05/06/26 11:31 PM
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Because saying you want a man who's willing to be emotionally open and vulnerable sounds good. It's what you're supposed to say; it's what people say on TV. Whereas saying "I hope my BF can keep any negative feelings bottled up because it'll disturb me" would make a woman look callous and uncharitable. Women lacking in empathy don't want to look bad.
/r/PurplePillDebate05/06/26 10:24 PM
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Sensible opinion.
/r/PurplePillDebate05/06/26 07:16 PM
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OK, he felt like he was being cheated on. Quite a sad film, really.
/r/PurplePillDebate05/06/26 06:31 PM
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Then you've got the movie Her (Joaquin Phoenix and Scarlett Johannsen), where the MC's being "cheated on" by his AI GF with tens of thousands of other men. ETA - plus Subservience with Megan Fox, where the AI is a home-wrecker who tries to seduce dad and get rid of mum and the kids
/r/PurplePillDebate05/06/26 06:22 PM
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I didn't read them this time so can't reference any quotes in particular, but I did read them last time they were mentioned here. The narrative was that the young boys were basically defective and only wanted AI GFs so they could be in control, which would end up being dangerous for women. No real concern about the boys' well-being, just paranoia about them becoming threats.
/r/PurplePillDebate05/06/26 06:19 PM
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Yeah, but I hear male friendships are less close than female ones.
/r/PurplePillDebate05/06/26 06:12 PM
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That makes it all the worse. Grown-ups should be judged more harshly than youths, but we're seeing the opposite here.
/r/PurplePillDebate05/06/26 05:52 PM
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If the males are in their teens, the tone should be less condemnatory and more sympathetic.
/r/PurplePillDebate05/06/26 05:47 PM
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Is this the first example of MeToo from an AI?
/r/PurplePillDebate05/06/26 05:46 PM
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Are women just as lonely, though? I thought the lack of dating success was compensated by having much closer friends.
/r/PurplePillDebate05/06/26 05:38 PM
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Because they're all mouth and no trousers.
/r/PurplePillDebate05/06/26 05:12 PM
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I would reply, but that's the third time you've called yourself a baddie, and I just can't handle it anymore.
/r/PurplePillDebate05/06/26 04:26 PM
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The oldest advice in the book may have sufficed.
/r/PurplePillDebate05/06/26 04:07 PM
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That must be what Lilith's basing her post on, then.
/r/PurplePillDebate05/06/26 03:07 PM
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You said it's a filter for men who "can't handle it", but I (and most men, I bet) could handle it just fine. Caricatures are amusing, not intimidating. It's a filter in the same way as dressing like a clown is a filter, though I suppose if your only goal is to deter men, then it might be worth painting your face white and wearing a big red nose.
/r/PurplePillDebate05/06/26 03:06 PM
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One could argue too that males willing to fuck any woman and often women they aren’t really even attracted to also make the whole “men are actually into women more than vice versa” kind of moot. If men will fuck 80% of women then it’s not about being attracted to women, it’s about wanting sex. That's not really how it works for a lot of us. With most women, I can find something attractive about them. And if they're pleasant or I know them to be nice people, that increases their attractiveness ov…
/r/PurplePillDebate05/06/26 02:56 PM
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Ah yes, the well-known, clichéd trope of marriage being a fuck-fest. Oh wait, that's not true. People complaining about a lack of sex once married is far, far more prevalent than the opposite. I honestly can't remember ever seeing someone say they want to get married so they can have lots of sex. And it's very rare that I see a married person claiming they have lots of sex. Once again, Lilith proves she exists in an alternative dimension.
/r/PurplePillDebate05/06/26 02:02 PM
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There's the manosphere. It's nowhere near as loud, pervasive or platformed as radical feminism, though. Regardless, the thing with both the manosphere and radfem nutjobs is that they both hurt men and women. Alpha wannabes aren't happy. The women who spend all day talking about evil "moids" aren't happy either.
/r/PurplePillDebate05/06/26 12:41 PM
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What we all need to accept is that people can be bad. Some men are bad; some women are bad. Maybe not in the same way, but not necessarily worse, just different. On the other hand, some men are good, and some women are good. For every man committing a terrible crime, there are several men helping others. For every women being awful, there are plenty of women being saintly. This race to prove one gender is perfect and the other evil serves nobody. Even though I get why it happens: women are const…
/r/PurplePillDebate05/06/26 12:34 PM
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/r/PurplePillDebate05/06/26 10:55 AM
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Why does something have to cause direct death to be bad? Some things are worse than death. Besides, why do you believe all femicides by men to be misogynistic? Every time a man kills a woman, is it because he hates all women, or could it not be that he hates one woman in particular? If a white man kills a black man, it's not always racially-aggravated - the motive could be an old grudge, an unpaid debt, revenge for a previous altercation, or a hundred factors that aren't race-related. So why ass…
/r/PurplePillDebate05/06/26 10:27 AM
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No, we should split ourselves into 2 groups based on how much of a wanker one is. Edit - or, having just read another PPD thread, the groups should be American and non-American. It would yield similar results to my first suggestion anyway.
/r/PurplePillDebate05/06/26 09:39 AM
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It's filtering out the men who can't handle it No, I just think it's pathetic, and when women call themselves "baddies", I'll laugh at them every time So it must be hilarious being around you, calling yourself a baddie "all day everyday" (twice in this post, no less) to "ward off" the legions of men trying to seduce you. Could you record footage of your average day and post it here? Give it a whack-a-mole theme, with fast paced music and a bonk sound every time you "baddie" men away.
/r/PurplePillDebate05/06/26 07:36 AM
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And men who call women baddies are cringe.
/r/PurplePillDebate05/06/26 07:21 AM
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Wolf packs in captivity form hierarchies that mimic the ones they form in nature, but instead of the family's parents (who probably aren't present) being the leaders, it'll be the most dominant wolf. Humans also form artificial pecking orders, but we do so whether in prison or not. Maybe if we were truly free, unconstrained by capitalism, feudalism or the government, we would be more like free wolves.
/r/PurplePillDebate05/06/26 07:10 AM
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dominant females who engage in pansexualism to promote group cohesion Government-issued girlfriends
/r/PurplePillDebate05/06/26 05:57 AM
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You're making assumptions about me, too. I don't blame you, though, because we all do it. There's a reason several pejorative terms exist for people obsessed with looks - vain, shallow, superficial, vacuous, narcissistic, conceited - but there aren't many for people who judge people on their actions. Which is what I've done; I've assessed your behaviour (being preoccupied with your physical appearance) and come to a conclusion. That doesn't make me insecure; it simply means I disagree with your …
/r/PurplePillDebate04/06/26 11:27 PM
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Everybody makes assumptions in life, every hour of every day. I have negative opinions of over-stylised men, too. There's nothing wrong with being conscious of how you look, but obsessing about your appearance is narcissistic. And it's nothing to do with bitterness; I'm married to a naturally beautiful woman with a lot more to offer than her appearance. If the concept of leagues even exists - and I'm not sure it does - said leagues certainly aren't determined by quantity of makeup, surgical proc…
/r/PurplePillDebate04/06/26 10:17 PM
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I love how many red pillers' Joker moment is when they realized women like sex and hot guys Women swiping right 5% of the time != Women swiping right on the same 5% of men Women like "hot guys"? Fair enough; that makes sense. But they don't swipe right on the same 5% men? I'm not sure how you know this for definite, but let's assume you are correct for a moment. In which case you're saying that more than 5% of men could be classed as "hot". This seems like a bold claim. Out of interest, what per…
/r/PurplePillDebate04/06/26 08:58 PM
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Big arms, yes. Giant, roided out arms, no.
/r/PurplePillDebate04/06/26 06:14 PM
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A woman can be a wonderful friend but a terrible partner to men. We're constantly propagandised with the concept of poor, beleaguered wives and their tyrannical, abusive, lazy, or incompetent husbands. Plus your friends will typically only feed you with one side of the story: the part that reinforces the aforementioned propaganda. In reality, men and women are human. Humans are flawed. Some are good, most are average, and some are bad. Assignung a higher level of morality to one side is misguide…
/r/PurplePillDebate04/06/26 03:06 PM
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Depends on which western country
/r/PurplePillDebate04/06/26 02:56 PM
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Even men from, say, the UK Fuck off, mate
/r/PurplePillDebate04/06/26 02:54 PM
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Generally, there are 3 types of attention for the overly-glamourised look: from dickheads who are self-obsessed themselves; from boys who think porn is real; and from men just looking for an easy shag. But naybe your group is an outlier, and you're all great people.
/r/PurplePillDebate04/06/26 01:12 PM
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I'd think, "Christ, I can't believe bioprinting and synthetic biology have been combined to create male synthetic humans that are hermaphrodite replicants".
/r/PurplePillDebate04/06/26 11:25 AM
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/r/PurplePillDebate04/06/26 11:15 AM
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You wouldn't, unless you wanted to attract men.
/r/PurplePillDebate04/06/26 10:08 AM
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Most women don't make a fortune on OF. Any desire they get from men is in spite of their look, not because of it. They'd get more if they listened to us.
/r/PurplePillDebate04/06/26 09:59 AM
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Instagram is full of influencers with an OF link who claim to be "baddies" - the male gaze is their bread and butter. The subset of "boss bitch baddies", maybe.
/r/PurplePillDebate04/06/26 09:49 AM
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Yeah. Even sadder when you try to do it and get it wrong.
/r/PurplePillDebate04/06/26 09:31 AM
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They're just like roided-up manosphere clowns. Most women don't care about giant biceps and capped delts, and most men don't like fish lips, orange tans and 3 inch fingernails. And they're both created by the same thing: failure with the opposite sex and bitterness.
/r/PurplePillDebate04/06/26 09:09 AM
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/r/PurplePillDebate04/06/26 06:35 AM
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Almost all women still want to reproduce Not according to the child-free fanatics on here.
/r/PurplePillDebate04/06/26 05:32 AM
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In court, you're supposed to assume the best, that the defendant is innocent. It's not safe to put the wrong people in prison.
/r/PurplePillDebate03/06/26 09:04 PM
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"I just want someone hot (10% of the population) and confident (20% of the population)!"
/r/PurplePillDebate03/06/26 08:49 PM
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A man doesn't have to cheat or fail to commit to be toxic. Besides, how would this be measured? Attractiveness is subjective, but willingness to commit and cheat are not.
/r/PurplePillDebate03/06/26 08:44 PM
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No, he thinks male sex drive is the only sex drive, not the default. To be the default, there needs to be more than one, and he doesn't think there's more than one.
/r/PurplePillDebate03/06/26 07:42 PM
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You said he couldn't handle male sex drive not being the default. If that's not what you meant, then you shouldn't have said it. You’re trying to be extra literal over things I did not say Annoying, isn't it?
/r/PurplePillDebate03/06/26 07:34 PM
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The man in question isn't claiming male sex drive to be the default. If he was, he'd say "women don't like sex as much as men". He's not claiming the sex drives are different, and that one is the default and the other an outlier. Rightly or wrongly, he's denying the existence of a female sex drive altogether. What you said happened didn't actually happen. If I were as immature as some people on here, I'd accuse you of lying at this point, but I know it was an honest mistake.
/r/PurplePillDebate03/06/26 07:29 PM
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What happened last time you told a man that the stereotypical male sex drive is not the default? In what way was the man unable to "handle hearing"? Did he retort by saying, "no the stereotypical male sex drive is the default!" Did he break down in tears or fly into a rage? Did his head explode?
/r/PurplePillDebate03/06/26 07:06 PM
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He didn't mimimise it. He mentioned it and then moved on. Everybody knows what he's talking about, so there's no need for him to labour the point.
/r/PurplePillDebate03/06/26 07:00 PM
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It's sad, really. They claim they're terrified of men but act like this. If I was scared of someone, I'd try to hide my disgust.
/r/PurplePillDebate03/06/26 06:23 PM
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I've never met a man IRL who uses OF. I've only seen a handful of men online admit to it, though I've seen a lot of jokes from men pretending they use it. Unless you can read minds, how do you know it's so popular? Why would it be so popular when there are countless free alternatives? No sane man is paying for something he can get for nothing.
/r/PurplePillDebate03/06/26 04:52 PM
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I didn't mention you giving attention to anyone, so I'm not sure where you got that from. A minority of men use OF. An even smaller minority give large gifts. Hundreds of millions of women obsess about Kpop boys and male celebs, and they do so from puberty until they're in their 40s. There's no comparison.
/r/PurplePillDebate03/06/26 04:40 PM
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I don't want attention; I'm married, old and not interested in adultery. I just don't want to be looked at with open contempt. Is that really too much to ask?
/r/PurplePillDebate03/06/26 02:59 PM
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This is nothing to do women's rights. People here generally apologise for everything, and we don't like making a nuisance of ourselves.
/r/PurplePillDebate03/06/26 02:57 PM
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Secret third thing = don't look at me like I'm shit on your shoe just for having the gall to pass you by on the street.
/r/PurplePillDebate03/06/26 02:56 PM
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I'm very consistent on this. I don't want women to settle for unattractive men. But I do want them to stop complaining about toxic attractive men, because nobody's putting a gun to their heads and saying "you must date". If you're only attracted to toxic men, then put up with the consequences or stay single. BTW, you're not really supposed to downvote on here, and your screenshot shows you did. I'm not bothered; internet points mean nothing to me. But you might want to delete the screenshot show…
/r/PurplePillDebate03/06/26 02:55 PM
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Sorry, but these men sound like arseholes. Maybe it's a cultural thing, but where I'm from, inconveniencing anyone is a faux pas, regardless of gender.
/r/PurplePillDebate03/06/26 02:50 PM
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As I said, you shouldn't settle. But that doesn't mean treating unattractive men like they're an eye-sore. I see women in their 80s whom I obviously don't fancy, but I manage to look at them without being visibly disgusted. And I know women say they're scared of unattractive men, but do you honestly believe that making it obvious you think they're ugly makes them less dangerous? It's like some women think unattractive men need to be reminded of their place. If I was afraid of someone, I definite…
/r/PurplePillDebate03/06/26 02:48 PM
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First of all, please don't "give a chance" to unattractive men. Settling for a man leads to weeks, months or years of misery. Of course, the same applies when men settle for women they're not attracted to, but this is far less common due to most men finding most women attractive. How would you know these unattractive men are worse? We're always told on here: "Duh, OBVIOUSLY we'll only date men we're attracted too". You don't know if an unattractive man is abusive because you're not sufficiently …
/r/PurplePillDebate03/06/26 02:33 PM
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When was the last time a man with whom you were not in a relationship expected you to adapt your life around his? How would this actually work? Some bloke at the shop wants you to sign over the deeds of your house? A man at work demands that you clean his home every day? In your world, are random males asking for life-changing favours, or was "adapt your life around his" a little bit of an exaggeration, perhaps?
/r/PurplePillDebate03/06/26 02:06 PM
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You see these men as potential threats only. The thought of being with them doesn't just disinterest you; it disgusts you as much as bestiality. Because unattractive men are practically subhuman in your opinion. When men get jealous over celebrities, it's because we know you'd leave us in a heartbeat for said celebrities. Due to hypergamy, women take celebrity obsession to absurd levels from a young age. Have you ever seen young men at a gig, fainting and screaming over a female musician or band…
/r/PurplePillDebate03/06/26 02:00 PM
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You notice below average men as nothing more than potential threats. And supposedly it's men who dehumanise women.
/r/PurplePillDebate03/06/26 01:48 PM
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I didn't say confidence, attractiveness and extroversion are toxicity. I simply demonstrated why it's more likely someone - male or female - who's attractive, confident and extroverted will be more toxic than average. Have you never heard of the very common concept of too much success going to someone's head? People with lots of money spend it more carelessly. Can you not see why people with more options might use them more carelessly too? Toxic people do generally announce themselves up front b…
/r/PurplePillDebate03/06/26 01:45 PM
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There's one group of men, probably the largest if you listen to women these days, that you've not included.
/r/PurplePillDebate03/06/26 12:13 PM
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Men who can get away with it. There will be hundreds of men out there who are just grey, humanoid masses to you because their faces aren't pleasant, they're too short or fat, they don't have fashionable clothes, or they're shy. Some of these men have never had a girlfriend; many of them are virgins or have very little experience. The idea that they get into a relationship and suddenly think they can call the shots is ridiculous. You'll just never know because these men aren't visible to you.
/r/PurplePillDebate03/06/26 12:05 PM
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All kinds of men who are attractive enough to bother with. Attractive men have the luxury of playing games, because there's always someone willing to play.
/r/PurplePillDebate03/06/26 12:01 PM
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You can't tell immediately. But the very fact you're attracted to them raises the likelihood they'll be toxic. Let me guess: you like confidence in a man? Toxic men know that, so they're brash and gregarious because they want as many women as possible. The more success they get, the most confident they become. Presumably, you prefer physically attractive men. Attractive men get a lot of women, so individual women mean less to them. If they feel like being selfish, lazy or unfaithful, they can be…
/r/PurplePillDebate03/06/26 12:00 PM
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Most do not treat women like crap. You just wouldn't know, because the majority of men are invisible to you.
/r/PurplePillDebate03/06/26 11:52 AM
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It sounds like you're falling into the classic trap of not considering the majority of men as real people. What's that? You're talking about "average men"? Well, most women consider the majority of men to be "below average". Mathematically, they're incorrect, but that doesn't matter, apparently. The masses of below average men are like NPCs; you'd hardly know they were there. And the men whose existence you recognise, the ones who are apparently rocking red flags, are above average. Otherwise yo…
/r/PurplePillDebate03/06/26 11:50 AM
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Because IRL most men are fine. Just like most women are fine. If the ones you meet are mostly bad, then either (a) you're falling into the classic trap of not considering the majority of men as real people, or (b) you attract bad men. You've said in the past that you're promiscuous. Promiscuous women do tend to place more emphasis on looks over character because they objectify men, and promiscuous women are more attractive to bad men because they're only interested in exploiting women. I'm not s…
/r/PurplePillDebate03/06/26 09:02 AM
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Most men who appeal to you. There will be countless normal, unabusive men out there who are simply invisible to you. Unfortunately, as we're often told, women can't change whom they're attracted to, so this problem is probably terminal. Fortunately, as we're often told, women are happier single, so enjoy.
/r/PurplePillDebate03/06/26 07:27 AM
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Why wouldn’t you just say “men” ? Because, unlike most women on here, we acknowledge there are bad apples within our gender.
/r/PurplePillDebate03/06/26 06:06 AM
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How do you know they think it if they don't say it?
/r/PurplePillDebate02/06/26 10:52 PM
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That's not lying, ffs. How would you know it's what they think if they didn't say it? Unless we can add mind-reading to the list of Lilith's talents. You said "men think women are thirsty for dick". How do you know this?
/r/PurplePillDebate02/06/26 10:47 PM
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OK, you didn't claim men say it, but you claimed they think it: "Men thinking women are thirsting for dick". Distinction without a difference.
/r/PurplePillDebate02/06/26 10:27 PM
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I was very young and kind of fell into marriage and fatherhood. But yeah, you're right. I do consciously make an effort to be as present and involved as I can.
/r/PurplePillDebate02/06/26 10:11 PM
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The only thing I'm motivated by is looking after my wife and kids. I've written a few novels but don't really find the time nowadays (been stuck on the same one for 4 years having written the previous 3 in 6 months). My day job is boring, and I'm getting old.
/r/PurplePillDebate02/06/26 08:24 PM
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All you've done is talk about the female POV. Comment after comment lamenting the hardships of being a woman. One sentence from me about the male POV, and that makes me the solipsistic one?
/r/PurplePillDebate02/06/26 07:50 PM
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You claimed men say "women thirst for men's dick". I can't remember seeing this for a long time. Where have you seen it? Dreams don't count.
/r/PurplePillDebate02/06/26 06:51 PM
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What does that have to do with anything? These men get want they want and are still misogynists. So misogyny can't be caused only by men not getting what they want.
/r/PurplePillDebate02/06/26 06:44 PM
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My question wasn't "why are women with these men?" My question was "if what you're saying is true, why are these men misogynistic when they get everything they want from women?"
/r/PurplePillDebate02/06/26 06:24 PM
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I didn't realise I was talking to an omniscient. We're not discussing why women fuck, serve, defer etc. We're discussing why men are misogynistic. You said it's because they're not getting what they want; I proved you wrong. This is the point where a grown-up says, "OK, you're right. Maybe some men are misogynistic because they're not getting what they want, and some are misogynistic for other reasons".
/r/PurplePillDebate02/06/26 06:15 PM
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Irrelevant. You said men are misogynistic because women aren't giving them want they want. I said some misogynistic men are getting exactly what they want, but they're still misogynists, which proves that your claim is wrong. Women's desires weren't even what was being discussed, did you know?
/r/PurplePillDebate02/06/26 06:04 PM
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I'm like this to the outside world, but not with my kids.
/r/PurplePillDebate02/06/26 05:57 PM
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Michelle Obama gets. How about Kamala Harris or Serena Williams? Seriously? You think their gender is the main reason they're hated? Wake up.
/r/PurplePillDebate02/06/26 05:52 PM
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Some of the most misogynistic men get sex, validation, deference, obedience, submission and service from women, but they're still misogynists. So riddle me that one.
/r/PurplePillDebate02/06/26 05:46 PM
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You would see it differently if you were a man. So many things you don't even consider would annoy you. If you weren't solipsistic, you'd already realise this, but you can only consider things from your point of view. The man you're arguing with has ASPD, yet he's doing a better job of seeing things from your perspective than you are from his. That's how self-absorbed you are. It's something to reflect on, perhaps, if you're capable of self-reflection.
/r/PurplePillDebate02/06/26 05:19 PM
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I haven't seen a man say women are desperate for cock in a long time. Sometimes I wonder if Lilith hails from a parallel dimension where Nelson Mandela died in the 80s.
/r/PurplePillDebate02/06/26 05:02 PM
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Some men have the remarkable ability to make women feel safe. There are men who are so adept at doing so that they can make a woman feel safe enough to have sex with him within an hour or two, even somewhere like a club bathroom or a friend's bedroom. Rumour has it there are men who emit vibes so reassuring that they can make a woman feel safe with a photo and a couple of messages on an online dating app. Coincidentally, these men are extremely attractive and confident.
/r/PurplePillDebate02/06/26 11:53 AM
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This is exactly it, OP. I don't want government-issued girlfriends, sex bots, or women to settle for and give a chance to men they don't find attractive. I just wish women could be honest.
/r/PurplePillDebate02/06/26 08:03 AM
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By that standard, all of your replies are you whining about him whining.
/r/PurplePillDebate02/06/26 07:23 AM
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The people that disagree with her, by poking holes in her flimsy, emotional argument.
/r/PurplePillDebate01/06/26 11:12 PM
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The refuting you mentioned.
/r/PurplePillDebate01/06/26 10:48 PM
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Very easily, as far as I can see. OP tends to do better when she larps as a sophisticated, liberated, experienced woman who gets exactly what she wants from men. When the mask slips and she descends into "woe is me" rants, she starts embarrassing herself.
/r/PurplePillDebate01/06/26 09:47 PM
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I don't think that. I'm taking the piss out of you. Forgot you Americans need an /s
/r/PurplePillDebate01/06/26 09:28 PM
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It's amazing how some men, even though they're total strangers, can make women feel safe with a few messages on Tinder. Or by dancing together for an hour in a club, or sharing a few shots at a party. They must be the safest men in the world, or something.
/r/PurplePillDebate01/06/26 08:42 PM
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Sex isn't better for men. For most men, an orgasm isn't that great. It's a relief more than anything, and I can do so without my wife even knowing. When women climax, it seems far more overwhelming for them than it does for men. Sure, it's harder to get there, but far more rewarding when they do.
/r/PurplePillDebate01/06/26 08:29 PM
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I don't worry about getting physically hurt. I worry about defending myself, trying my best to not hurt her, and still getting arrested and charged even if I'm clearly not to blame.
/r/PurplePillDebate01/06/26 07:48 PM
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pursuer's worst-case outcome is rejection and being called a creep. The selector's worst-case outcome can be violence or death The pursuer's worst-case outcome is also violence or death. Apart from the fact there are female murderers, a man pursuing could fall foul of another jealous suitor, an overly-possessive existing boyfriend or husband, male family members. Men are significantly more likely to be assaulted or murdered than women.
/r/PurplePillDebate01/06/26 05:49 PM
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If a man flipped the genders and said the same thing, we'd say he was gay.
/r/PurplePillDebate01/06/26 04:09 PM
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the book is significantly more disturbing than the movie Especially the bit with the rat
/r/PurplePillDebate31/05/26 07:34 PM
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Most people are not engaging with extreme gender stuff Hashtag KillAllMen got 3 billion engagements. Obviously, a decent portion of those will be duplicates: the same person replying on multiple platforms. And some will simply be trolling. Even if you divide the number by 10, though, that's still not far off the entire population of the USA. Or about half of the female western world.
/r/PurplePillDebate31/05/26 04:51 PM
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I didn't say "abuse"; I said "abusive", which would be a personality trait.
/r/PurplePillDebate31/05/26 12:13 PM
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But not abusive. That's not bad, so it's either neutral or good. Got it.
/r/PurplePillDebate31/05/26 12:03 PM
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Sorry to hear that.
/r/PurplePillDebate31/05/26 10:49 AM
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But how do we know that he was always waiting, and not that he became like that at some point? Has he said at any point that he was biding his time for 50 years? Seems like an unrealistic amount of time to wait. Most truly evil psychopaths start their crimes young and escalate quickly. Besides, even if he truly deliberately waited for all that time, he's a bit of an outlier. His crimes are particularly unique and heinous.
/r/PurplePillDebate31/05/26 10:29 AM
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And some abusers even wait years before acting on it Would it not be more likely that they weren't abusive to start with, but became abusive over time due to various factors? It seems implausible that someone could hide their true nature for that long.
/r/PurplePillDebate31/05/26 09:16 AM
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What, in your opinion, would constitute a "bad personality"? Obviously, abusiveness isn't a factor, because you said 'women aren't saying abusive men have 'bad personalities"' (unless you think these women are lying). Are we talking boringness, shyness, passivity or something else?
/r/PurplePillDebate31/05/26 09:13 AM
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How it's fuelled is irrelevant. If someone from an ethnic minority is born into poverty like their parents, grandparents and great-grandparents before them, they can get help from the government to afford essentials. If a rich person, born into wealth, loses everything due to a gambling problem, they can get help from the government to afford essentials. The former's misfortune was fuelled by centuries of oppression; the latter failed personally. Even if you're the uncharitable sort (and you're …
/r/PurplePillDebate30/05/26 02:17 PM
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What does it mean to be "equal" in employment? It's a free market place. If no one's buying what you're selling while other sellers seem to be doing fine, it's not the customers that's the problem.
/r/PurplePillDebate30/05/26 01:51 PM
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Men are more desperate to be equal in dating. Women are more desperate to be equal at work. Men's issue gets laughed at. Women's issue gets government intervention and leads to discrimination against men. Yet many people would agree that their love life is just as important to them as their work life.
/r/PurplePillDebate30/05/26 01:23 PM
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I'm not saying they won't. If there's no quota, we know they got there by merit. With a quota, there's a chance that a man was better than a woman but didn't get the job because of his sex. That wouldn't bother me because execs are generally arseholes anyway, but it might bother the woman who wouldn't have got the job without the quota.
/r/PurplePillDebate30/05/26 01:16 PM
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Would you not wonder if you'd got there due to your own ability or because of the quota?
/r/PurplePillDebate30/05/26 12:29 PM
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Why is it a good thing? If you were an aspiring exec, would you rather not get there on your own merit?
/r/PurplePillDebate30/05/26 10:27 AM
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"Laughing My Ass Off Off Off Off Off Off Off Off Off Off Off Off"?
/r/PurplePillDebate29/05/26 07:28 PM
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That's fair enough. The only thing I'd disagree with is that men are less vigilant around women. Some of us are highly vigilant around women, but not because we think you're going to physically harm us.
/r/PurplePillDebate29/05/26 05:29 PM
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Agreed. The word "dehumanisation" is used because of its history. It was previously reserved for mass murders and genocides. Feminists want men to be viewed as monster and women to be viewed as victims of a heinous crime. Ironically, the use of "dehumanisation" is usually more dehumanising than the act the man's being criticised for. We look at people in terms of their utility to us every day. When choosing a plumber to fix our boiler, do we stop to consider his personality, his ambitions, his d…
/r/PurplePillDebate29/05/26 04:48 PM
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Any human being could attack any other human being. With a weapon, they could overcome any disparity in size and strength. But humans don't generally attack each other for no reason. Unless they give you reason to believe they're dangerous, I find it's best to take people how you find them. As a man, I'm significantly more likely to be assaulted and killed than women are. I've been violently attacked in the past more times than I care to remember, suffering broken bones, hospitalization and near…
/r/PurplePillDebate29/05/26 04:40 PM
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Terrorist, forum-dweller, MAGA, confederate/Nazi tats are not immutable. Unlike race or sex, they can tell you quite a bit about the man's personality. I wouldn't call you sexist or racist in that case.
/r/PurplePillDebate29/05/26 03:48 PM
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The very fact red pill ideology exists proves that experience is not even. Some men get a lot less sex than others, and they're not happy about it.
/r/PurplePillDebate29/05/26 03:25 PM
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I'm not claiming it's heavily skewed. I'm saying that's how the numbers could be, just as they could be as you posited (1 woman with 100 men). Either way, it refutes your "that's how numbers work" line.
/r/PurplePillDebate29/05/26 03:12 PM
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I'm not making any claim. As usual, you've failed to read what's been written. I'm merely refuting your asinine assertion of "that's how numbers work". Make whatever claims you like, but bear in mind that neither the 100 men nor the 100 women exist. They are merely a device to illustrate what to most people would be an obvious concept. If any mods are reading, could we have the facility to flair other people for future reference?
/r/PurplePillDebate29/05/26 02:42 PM
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That's not "how numbers work". If there's 100 women and 100 men, and the 100 women all have sex with 20 of the men, then all 100 women are having sex once, but 80 of the men are having sex zero times. Therefore, 80% of the men have less experience than 100% of the women. As you well know.
/r/PurplePillDebate29/05/26 01:41 PM
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"Selfishness gap" implies that women are putting in work that men aren't, but is that actually the case? Or are they not just lying there, expecting the man to take care of both of their needs?
/r/PurplePillDebate29/05/26 01:35 PM
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If you're going to talk like a bigot, don't be surprised when people call you a bigot.
/r/PurplePillDebate29/05/26 12:16 PM
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It is common knowledge that 97% of violent crime is committed by men That's false common knowledge. Just because a lot of people think they know something is true doesn't mean that it's actually true. It's 'common knowledge' in some communities, held by millions, even billions of people, that a god created the world. And guess what, that's false common knowledge. When you get your statistics from TikTok, Bluesky and Reddit echo chambers, you run the risk of those statistics being incorrect. Whic…
/r/PurplePillDebate29/05/26 12:15 PM
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Sounds like you also might need some glasses, then.
/r/PurplePillDebate29/05/26 12:04 PM
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You need to pick up a book and stop getting all your info from echo chambers.
/r/PurplePillDebate29/05/26 08:48 AM
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You'd think so. Unless it was open season on that group, of course.
/r/PurplePillDebate29/05/26 06:04 AM
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If a white person felt anxiety every time they were alone with a black person, what would we call them?
/r/PurplePillDebate29/05/26 05:00 AM
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Patriarchy and misandry are not the same. They have different definitions, for a start. The word misandry is just as synonymous with patriarchy as the word misogyny, so if you think we should stop using the former, then you should also think we ought to stop the latter.
/r/PurplePillDebate29/05/26 04:55 AM
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Women read the same smut book over and over, do they?
/r/PurplePillDebate28/05/26 02:45 PM
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So women's preference for erotic fiction mean women like and want an endless supply of billionaire bad boys/vampires/sociopaths to abuse them. Good to know, thanks.
/r/PurplePillDebate28/05/26 02:20 PM
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You didn't say he was attractive in the OP. You said he was fit, good job, etc. Men can be extremely fit and still unattractive.
/r/PurplePillDebate28/05/26 12:48 PM
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And dead people. And animals. We're so picky!
/r/PurplePillDebate28/05/26 12:45 PM
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When men think that porn has any relevance to real life, it's called being porn-brained.
/r/PurplePillDebate28/05/26 05:44 AM
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Sounds like you're porn-brained.
/r/PurplePillDebate28/05/26 05:03 AM
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I've just woken up to 5 notifications from you alone, and I only slept for 6 hours. That's not normal. Please get help.
/r/PurplePillDebate28/05/26 04:59 AM
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Do you think the average man knew that? Every quote from her is simply "men", not "some men" or "powerful men. Most of them are dehumanising. It's clear she was a misandrist, and I'm not sure what you're gaining by pretending otherwise
/r/PurplePillDebate28/05/26 04:54 AM
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If there were a male-only referendum where all or even a majority of men voted to exempt marital rape, then yes, she'd have been within her rights to criticise men as a whole. There was no such referendum. She should've focused her ire on the governing elite instead of punching down at normal, powerless men.
/r/PurplePillDebate27/05/26 11:28 PM
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Are you maybe using the Swedish definition of sexual assault? Which includes unwanted hugs.
/r/PurplePillDebate27/05/26 10:46 PM
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1 in 3 women have been sexually assaulted? Is that using the usual definition of sexual assault, or the version that includes falsely promising a relationship for sex?
/r/PurplePillDebate27/05/26 08:05 PM
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It's not the secret to our success, but without it our opposable thumbs and disproportionately large brains would be nigh useless. The same goes for any other extant species, I suppose; if you remove any component, there's no way of knowing whether they'll still function.
/r/PurplePillDebate27/05/26 05:39 PM
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All reasonable points, but where would we be without testosterone?
/r/PurplePillDebate27/05/26 03:26 PM
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Fair enough. I'll leave the comment up for posterity's sake.
/r/PurplePillDebate27/05/26 02:48 PM
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It's more difficult, surely, to be successful with someone you don't know. More of a challenge, which to me does not suggest it's a "tactic". I assumed using age was more to do with experience, but I suppose lying about one's age could fit. Being honest about my age nearly cost me once, though it was the other way around. A 30 year old woman was put off when she found out I was 19, but she got over it.
/r/PurplePillDebate27/05/26 02:47 PM
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Where did I say males are more sexually coercive and predatory? Where did I say I was "shocked they're perceived for their own actions (sic)"? Sometimes I wonder if I've drunkenly written and published a book of my opinions. Because people on here seem to know what I think without me even telling them.
/r/PurplePillDebate27/05/26 02:42 PM
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"Men know everything - all of them - all the time - no matter how stupid or inexperienced or arrogant or ignorant they are." (Dworkin) "Men especially love murder. In art they celebrate it. In life, they commit it." (Dworkin) "Only when manhood is dead - and it will perish when ravaged femininity no longer sustains it - only then will we know what it is to be free." (Dworkin) "Women have very little idea of how much men hate them." (Greer) "I think that testosterone is a rare poison." (Greer) Up…
/r/PurplePillDebate27/05/26 02:37 PM
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Don't they also claim that falsely promising commitment is also coercion, which would mean it's also technically rape? Thereby inflating the total number of rape victims, which increases their relevancy and ultimately their profits. Charities may have nobler aims than most organisations, but their CEOs are just as greedy.
/r/PurplePillDebate27/05/26 01:30 PM
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Yes. Sexual coercion is not the same as rape, IMO.
/r/PurplePillDebate27/05/26 01:12 PM
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You honestly think targeting someone you don't know is coercive? I'll concede that some of the tactics are suspect (and some are downright illegal), but pursuing someone you don't know? And using money, status and age? That's like saying a woman using her looks is coercive.
/r/PurplePillDebate27/05/26 01:09 PM
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That's a different study - it's from 2023. The one I assumed you were referring to was more recent and has been brought up here recently. Besides, have you actually read the examples of "coercive tactics"? Told her whatever she wanted to hear Focused on a stranger to have sex with (or someone who did not know you) Used your money, age, status to convince her These aren't upstanding people, but they're not criminals. The amount of men who used any amount of physical force was 10%, which is still …
/r/PurplePillDebate27/05/26 12:43 PM
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“Men are the enemy” – Germaine Greer "I've always wanted to see a man beaten to a bloody pulp with a high-heel shoved in his mouth, like an apple in the mouth of a pig" – Andrea Dworkin Those are just examples; there are many more if you care to look.
/r/PurplePillDebate27/05/26 11:59 AM
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Generalising about any group of people is typically not a good idea. Unless said group actually claims that they all share certain characteristics.
/r/PurplePillDebate27/05/26 11:28 AM
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It only surveyed men already convicted of a sexual offence. They were just more likely to confess to further sexual offences if euphemisms were used. Radfems are lying by omission and obfuscation again.
/r/PurplePillDebate27/05/26 11:20 AM
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That study - or, at least, its relevance to this sub - has been debunked. It only surveyed men already convicted of a sexual offence. They were just more likely to confess to further sexual offences if euphemisms were used. As they did with the "62 million rape academy" farce, radical feminists have lied by omission when referencing the study, and it seems like you've fallen for it. EDIT: I'm getting my studies mixed up, it appears. Apologies to all.
/r/PurplePillDebate27/05/26 11:19 AM
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The poison M&M/grape analogy would be unacceptable if it was used about ethnicity, or sexuality, or disability. Using it about men, though, is fine, apparently.
/r/PurplePillDebate27/05/26 11:06 AM
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I think you've misunderstood. I'm not saying pro-morality is Nazism; I'm saying Nazis claimed to be pro-morality, by which I'm implying that claiming to be something doesn't make it true.
/r/PurplePillDebate26/05/26 10:48 PM
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Men frequently call thin, young and pretty celebrities “mid” TBF, some celebrities are fairly average, when looked at objectively. I've found women tend to overrate celebrities in general, perhaps because their status elevates them. I don't think men are as enthralled by the glitz and glamor; we're more likely to separate the face and body from the aura. Plus women tend to be more swayed by how cool or "badass" the celeb or their most notable character is, the perfect example being Rhea Seehorn …
/r/PurplePillDebate26/05/26 10:13 PM
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Fair enough.
/r/PurplePillDebate26/05/26 08:59 PM
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If you could force them, if it was in your power to introduce the legislation required to prohibit disabled people from procreating, would you?
/r/PurplePillDebate26/05/26 08:53 PM
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Physical - in the short term, yes, having kids is typically detrimental. Pyschological - can go either way. While parenthood can be exceptionally hard, a lot of people get a great deal of fulfillment from having children. It can cause more pain than anything else (eg if they die or are seriously hurt/ill), but it can also provide more joy than anything else.
/r/PurplePillDebate26/05/26 08:31 PM
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It is literally eugenics, as popularised by the Nazis. They claimed to be pro-morality too.
/r/PurplePillDebate26/05/26 08:24 PM
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One minute you're extolling the virtues of eugenics; the next you're squeamish about gas chambers. What kind of Nazi are you?
/r/PurplePillDebate26/05/26 08:21 PM
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Correct. Men out-earning women isn't as common as it used to be, but most women will always want more attention than men.
/r/PurplePillDebate26/05/26 07:49 PM
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That isn't the point, though. Women who get bullied may also end up being shy, but that doesn't make them less attractive. Men who were bullied often end up with low confidence, which means they're unattractive and are therefore affected twice.
/r/PurplePillDebate26/05/26 04:59 PM
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yet a 35-45 yr old woman looking for younger men will be more apt to be considered a milf, while a man in the same range after younger women will be more likely considered a creep This "man = bad, woman = good" theme isn't unique to people between 35 and 45 looking for a younger partner. A socially awkward man will be seen as a creep; a socially awkward woman is "shy". Virgin men are incels; virgin women are idealised or viewed neutrally. Men who still live with their parents are losers; women w…
/r/PurplePillDebate25/05/26 11:07 PM
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I honestly couldn't say; I just know it's happened.
/r/PurplePillDebate25/05/26 10:28 PM
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Depending on jurisdiction, I suppose
/r/PurplePillDebate25/05/26 09:42 PM
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Well, that puts my mind at rest. I didn't realise I was speaking to the only omniscient person in the world.
/r/PurplePillDebate25/05/26 09:31 PM
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No legal consequences, sure. He can very easily face social consequences, though.
/r/PurplePillDebate25/05/26 06:36 PM
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Sure. I'd probably support neither, but I get one of them's a woman so you've got to stand up for the sisterhood. Which rapist/sodomite are we talking about, by the way? One in particular, or just the one you picture every time you talk to a man due to your paranoia and prejudice?
/r/PurplePillDebate25/05/26 03:28 PM
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Maybe if you're an NPC. Some women have a bit more about them than that.
/r/PurplePillDebate25/05/26 02:00 PM
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Women have been using this logic - blaming the majority for the crimes of a minority - against men for a long time.
/r/PurplePillDebate25/05/26 01:31 PM
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It's like me seeing a guy who flashed in the forest and saying that it shows that all men (or guys who walk in the forest) are sexual assaulters and exhibitionists and like that Yes, because feminists never make generalisations like that, do they? Pelicot gets brought up once a day, and he was one man.
/r/PurplePillDebate25/05/26 01:04 PM
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Women supporting the blackmailer and feminists in general are being criticised, not all women. Had you read the post properly, you'd know that. This is becoming a bit of a problem for you, isn't it?
/r/PurplePillDebate25/05/26 01:01 PM
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You don't need feminism to fix those issues; you just need harsher sentences for criminals. Feminism, when applied in the traditional "equality" sense rather than the "men should all die" sense championed by some of the most notable feminists mentioned above, would actually be to women's detriment. At present, if a man and a woman with identical criminal records commit the exact same crime, the woman will get a lower sentence. By around 25%, depending on location. That's due to feminism, not fai…
/r/PurplePillDebate25/05/26 12:54 PM
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I didn't ask for empathy. I merely asked that you engage with what I was saying rather than some strawman you find it easier to beat.
/r/PurplePillDebate25/05/26 12:14 PM
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I never said them having sex before you is offensive. Judging by some of your other comments, you remember some of your therapist training. The part where you listen to what the other person is saying would come in useful here. You don't need to automatically assume anything. Women are not all gentle creatures who can only communicate with passive aggression and tears. Many of them would think nothing of outright telling her partner that she's had better in the past, and that he should improve o…
/r/PurplePillDebate25/05/26 12:10 PM
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So is it "lying and trying to create division" when all of the happily married older women on here bang on about how terrible men are in general? Or are they just talking about past experiences? Women aren't the only ones with an in-group bias. Men also warn other men about the way things can go, if they're not careful. Doing so is even more important when women and blue pill men are insisting certain irrevocable facts aren't true and dismissing a reality many of us older men have experienced.
/r/PurplePillDebate25/05/26 09:29 AM
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You don't need a "way", most of the time. Talking about previous sexual experiences has been normalised for women. Sparing a man's feelings, however, is no longer important because women should be able to "speak their truth" whatever the circumstances or consequences. Of course, blue pillers remain under the illusion that most people, especially women, are decent and wouldn't carelessly offend someone for no reason.
/r/PurplePillDebate25/05/26 09:17 AM
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Maybe they're complaining that they're having to resort to a numbers game. I wouldn't want to.
/r/PurplePillDebate24/05/26 03:39 PM
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I'm not, but it's telling that you think I am.
/r/PurplePillDebate24/05/26 03:32 PM
1

Calling something a "numbers game" doesn't mean you think it's easy or pleasant.
/r/PurplePillDebate24/05/26 03:01 PM
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It is if they side with random women over men they're supposed to care about, which is all too often the case.
/r/PurplePillDebate24/05/26 02:50 PM
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Are they complaining or more than happy?
/r/PurplePillDebate24/05/26 02:41 PM
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Women don't hate men anywhere near as much IRL either. Single women aren't as happy IRL. Men aren't as sex obsessed IRL.
/r/PurplePillDebate24/05/26 01:17 PM
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Both interpretations are worst case scenarios. The difference is that, in the civilised world (not backwards theocracies like in the Middle East, south Asia and parts of the USA), the male version is far more common in reality than the female. Therefore, if you live in one of these conservative places, "wifey material" would be just as much of an insult. Anywhere else, it's not.
/r/PurplePillDebate24/05/26 01:12 PM
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The failure rate is always going to be high anyway. Sure, you might increase if from 95% to 98%, but if you're also increasing your attempt rate by 500%, the odds will still be better.
/r/PurplePillDebate24/05/26 01:02 PM
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Because the men who allowed the rights were good people, and the men who threaten their removal are not good people.
/r/PurplePillDebate24/05/26 10:48 AM
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I don't think you understand what "numbers game" means. It refers to a strategy for success in an endeavour with a high failure rate, and the way of combating the high failure rate is by increasing the number of attempts. Most attempts will fail, but more attempts will succeed. If you're firing an inaccurate rifle at a distant target, you might be better off spamming bullets rather than taking a precision approach. The thinking is that if you pull the trigger enough times, eventually you'll land…
/r/PurplePillDebate24/05/26 09:25 AM
1

Maybe. A lot of men are desperate. Plus, we're told that we don't need to be content, and it's not important if we're miserable. Happy wife, happy life.
/r/PurplePillDebate23/05/26 06:19 PM
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I'm going to say the same thing I said on the kinky sex post. Obviously, if someone doesn't want to do something, you shouldn't try to coerce them. Doing so is abusive. That said, the reason for them not wanting to do it is important. though there are plenty of other valid reasons, the worst case scenario is that the woman isn't as attracted to you as she was to the previous man and is settling for you. She's unlikely to admit this if it's true. She might not even be fully aware that's the case …
/r/PurplePillDebate23/05/26 05:23 PM
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People have this viewpoint because they've been burned before. It doesn't come out of nowhere. Like when a woman says, "Men will lie to get into your pants", there's a good chance she's been played like that before.
/r/PurplePillDebate23/05/26 03:33 PM
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I’m starting to wonder if some of y’all have ever interacted with another human And I'm starting to believe you live in some kind of fictional paradise where everyone tells the truth at all times. I'm not sure if you're just naive, willfully ignorant, or trolling. I get it; I'm autistic too, but this place makes me feel neurodivergent sometimes.
/r/PurplePillDebate23/05/26 02:50 PM
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Which is why in another comment I said we need to consider the overall context. Does the woman appear to be attracted to the man? Is she affectionate with him? Or does she just tolerate him?
/r/PurplePillDebate23/05/26 02:42 PM
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I get all of that. And if that's the reason, fair enough. But if it's not, if there's no plausible explanation, a man's going to assume it's due to lack of attraction and affection.
/r/PurplePillDebate23/05/26 02:33 PM
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I'm sure it is. But if that was the situation in question, why not say so?
/r/PurplePillDebate23/05/26 02:25 PM
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Depends on the context, as I said in my last comment Correct Yes I don't know; I've never been in a relationship with a man
/r/PurplePillDebate23/05/26 01:57 PM
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Sure. As I've said, though, I was assuming it wasn't something done reluctantly or under coercion. I thought your point was that having kinky sex doesn't equal better treatment, not that men don't communicate their desire for kinky sex.
/r/PurplePillDebate23/05/26 01:51 PM
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OK. But as I said, I was under the assumption that it wasn't coerced or disliked. The post would be pointless if there was such an easy answer to the question.
/r/PurplePillDebate23/05/26 01:43 PM
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If it was coerced, then obviously, that's a different situation, and the man should be relieved the woman feels safe enough with him to enforce her boundaries. But most sex is consensual. Unless you specifically mention coercion, the default assumption will not be that the sex was forced. Ideally, we should consider the overall context. If the woman is less sexually adventurous than in the past, and there was no coercion, how does she treat the man in general? Does she act like she's "the prize"…
/r/PurplePillDebate23/05/26 01:22 PM
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If it's what the current man wants, and the woman is unwilling to do it but was willing with previous men, she is by definition treating him worse. Of course, if she doesn't want to do it, he shouldn't try to coerce her, because that's abusive. He should just accept she's settled for him and dump her. He'll be doing them both a favour.
/r/PurplePillDebate23/05/26 12:49 PM
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The unelected are invisible, apart from when it's time to apportion blame.
/r/PurplePillDebate23/05/26 12:24 PM
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Jesus Christ, Americans are so weird.
/r/PurplePillDebate22/05/26 05:13 PM
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A lot of women don't even have or want kids anymore, so I'm not sure where the weight's coming from. Even single women take more anti-depressants than single men. Studies are conclusive, anyway; in general, women are more neurotic than men, whatever their lifestyles. If you were as emotionally intelligent as you claim, you'd be able to admit your weaknesses and not make excuses for them.
/r/PurplePillDebate21/05/26 01:57 PM
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Yeah, society tells us 'happy wife, happy life', but it tells women they're the prize and should accept nothing but the best
/r/PurplePillDebate21/05/26 11:58 AM
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Yet despite all of this supposed extra emotional intelligence, women are more neurotic than men. If women truly were more emotionally intelligent, they'd understand not to trust their neuroses. But they typically don't.
/r/PurplePillDebate21/05/26 07:48 AM
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Fair points, and I'd be inclined to agree if we weren't frequently told how unfulfilling and dissatisfactory casual sex is for women. If it's as bad as they make out, and if men are so dangerous, why do any of them bother?
/r/PurplePillDebate20/05/26 06:16 PM
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A lot of men will say they'd rather be single than only have sex once a month, but I think a lot of them arent being honest.
/r/PurplePillDebate20/05/26 02:46 PM
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This is such a bizarre way of thinking, IMO. I've never been scared of dying, but if somehow sleeping with a woman meant there was a 1% chance one of my kids could die or be seriously hurt, I would not take that gamble. No matter how attractive said woman was. From what you're saying, though, women will risk their own lives if the man is attractive enough.
/r/PurplePillDebate20/05/26 02:44 PM
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I think there's probably more give than people admit on here. A common refrain from PPD women is that they will not, under any circumstances, consider a man who's not very attractive to them. But IRL, we see women with men with faces only a mother could love.
/r/PurplePillDebate20/05/26 02:40 PM
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For society's sake, yes, some men need to partner with women for whom they wouldn't have been the first or even tenth choice. But a lot of men don't care about acting in the interests of society as a whole. Many women are similarly selfish; a lot of them will not settle nowadays. The difference is that one gender (male) is taking longer to adapt to this new era of choice and individualism. We're more inclined to take what we can, partly due to testosterone, but also because we're still seen as w…
/r/PurplePillDebate20/05/26 01:59 PM
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Listen to how many men here harp on about how women should just lower their standards so men who don't meet them can have a chance too or be considered Hardly anyone says that now. Most men would agree that women shouldn't settle for men they're not deeply attracted to because it leads to dead bedrooms, cheating and divorce.
/r/PurplePillDebate20/05/26 01:32 PM
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Because men are less fussy. The whole "safety" thing is bullshit when it comes to women who indulge in casual sex, BTW. You can't go from thinking someone is a potential danger to being naked with them a couple of hours later because of a bit of charisma.
/r/PurplePillDebate20/05/26 08:33 AM
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Viking genes are the best. I doubt I'd have ever got married without mine.
/r/PurplePillDebate20/05/26 06:10 AM
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K-Pop victim?
/r/PurplePillDebate20/05/26 06:06 AM
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I'm talking about contemporary western societies; you're focusing on the past, or on more regressive cultures like the Middle East, subcontinent and the US.
/r/PurplePillDebate19/05/26 07:52 PM
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Your argument is basically "no u", which doesn't deserve addressing.
/r/PurplePillDebate19/05/26 07:33 PM
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If misandry is real, we get comments like yours.
/r/PurplePillDebate19/05/26 07:25 PM
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Which is probably because men don't talk like they're secretly gay. If men were frequently saying things like, "most men are attractive, and most women are unattractive", it would probably be worth suggesting they might be gay. If men generally preferred gay porn too, then again, them being homosexual would be a reasonable conclusion.
/r/PurplePillDebate19/05/26 06:01 PM
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The stuff you watch is no better than manosphere shit. They're 2 cheeks of the same arse, and you're actively and voluntarily rotting your own mind.
/r/PurplePillDebate19/05/26 05:27 PM
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That's a lot of words to say you're a paedophile apologist.
/r/PurplePillDebate18/05/26 09:39 AM
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OK, I can buy the lips and tan, but no man cares about eyebrows. And even when men insist they don't like duck lips and would prefer thin natural ones, women continue to have them done. Then you've got the fashion: "mom jeans" aren't flattering at all; the sandals which seem designed to make feet look as big as possible; oversized sweaters. When women aren't talking about their friends, they're still saying things like "most women are attractive, and most men aren't". As for the studies, I think…
/r/PurplePillDebate17/05/26 11:12 AM
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I don't think men over-rate or under-rate. IMO men and women find different things attractive about women. Which is why giant eyebrows, puffed-up lips and orange tans became popular, even though I've never spoken to a man who likes any of them. That's one of the reasons I'm dubious when women claim all their friends are beautiful.
/r/PurplePillDebate16/05/26 07:14 PM
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Men's refuges were supposed to be for male victims of domestic abuse. In the UK, we have a Minister for Women; their job is to focus on issues affecting women. The idea of creating a male equivalent attracted a backlash from radical feminists, and it became politically unviable. Though in fairness, as you say, people have to advocate for these things, and men don't advocate for them as vociferously as we should.
/r/PurplePillDebate16/05/26 04:00 PM
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I'm happy to advocate for more social and education programs. I'm a socialist. There's plenty of money out there; some people just have too much of it. Radical feminists resist remedies for male problems. They protested men's refuges were proposed; they protested when a Minister for Men was proposed in the UK, even though we've had a Minister for Women for a while now.
/r/PurplePillDebate16/05/26 03:52 PM
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Unilateral affirmative action is the obvious one. The industry in which I want to succeed - not where I'm currently employed, but my "dream job" - is heavily biased against men. Only partly due to discrimination, I admit, but if it were the other way around, awareness and criticism would be much greater. I'm not going to say which industry, since last time I did so on this sub I was doxxed. The judicial system is anti-male. In the UK, for example, men get 30% harsh sentences than women for the s…
/r/PurplePillDebate16/05/26 03:29 PM
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There can only be 2 answers to the first past question: 1) men are inherently less capable than women; 2) men are being disadvantaged and discriminated against in some way. Feminists will say it's 1, and men's rights advocates will say it's 2. The solution will depend on which is correct.
/r/PurplePillDebate16/05/26 02:50 PM
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Where are these stats coming from, though? Most of the sources I see on this sub focus on the American upper middle class, which is about 2% of all the women in the world.
/r/PurplePillDebate16/05/26 02:17 PM
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First of all you say "statistically", and then you say "when talking online and with others (family and friends)". Which is it? Because I'm sceptical that men do want kids more than women. I see a lot of women on PPD saying they don't want children, but this place is hardly representative of women overall, thankfully.
/r/PurplePillDebate16/05/26 11:04 AM
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It's not just "a line" for flirting and manipulation, though. Women on here frequently say virtually all men are horrible, only to boast that they've conveniently got a partner or husband who is perfect.
/r/PurplePillDebate16/05/26 09:11 AM
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That depends on what the relationship's like. Does he spend a lot more money on her than she does on him? Does he perform frequent acts of service for her which aren't reciprocated? Does he listen to her problems regularly while rarely being free to discuss his own? If the above are all balanced, then he's not a beta, but if they're heavily weighted towards him - that is, if he's putting more into the relationship than she is - he's a beta.
/r/PurplePillDebate16/05/26 07:02 AM
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The IDF?
/r/PurplePillDebate12/05/26 09:52 PM
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I agree. This is probably why having sex is associated with losing your innocence.
/r/PurplePillDebate12/05/26 07:38 PM
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Hashtag KillAllMen got 3 billion engagements.
/r/PurplePillDebate12/05/26 07:24 PM
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To be fair, most 16 year olds are infantile, male and female.
/r/PurplePillDebate12/05/26 07:19 PM
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I remember being 16 too.
/r/PurplePillDebate12/05/26 07:13 PM
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Sure sure. And I onow men who actively daye and fuck women they hate or dislike and or of whom they find morally awful people. Men are just as guilty about rewarding the behavior they shame women for (having a high body count and being sexually free) They keep giving these women sex and attention. The women who are not those women, are not dated in their early 20s or mid 20s cuz all those young men are chasing after the women they feel like are easy and whores Men constantly pass up good women b…
/r/PurplePillDebate12/05/26 06:18 PM
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I said "society" not women. Then you said "men", and I said "women too" ie. society. Maybe try reading before you start pointing the finger.
/r/PurplePillDebate11/05/26 08:32 PM
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Thanks for proving my point.
/r/PurplePillDebate11/05/26 07:23 PM
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Then there's people who automatically blame themselves for everything. And a tiny, enlightened minority who correctly apportion blame depending on the situation in question.
/r/PurplePillDebate11/05/26 07:13 PM
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Because with both jobs and romantic relationships, certain people - though not necessarily the same people in each case - believe they're entitled to good outcomes as long as they behave well. The above was made clear right from the start. I've also said that I disapprove of the entitlement either way, whether someone believes they're entitled to a relationship or entitled to a promotion or pay rise, so I'm not sure why you've attacked me personally. Your accusations aren't even accurate anyway.
/r/PurplePillDebate11/05/26 06:47 PM
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Women tell us we're disgusting all the time.
/r/PurplePillDebate11/05/26 06:33 PM
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I don't agree with entitlement in either situation, so you can spare me the personal insults. Anyway, it's clear you're either unwilling or unable to understand my point, and I'm not in the mood to spell it out any further.
/r/PurplePillDebate11/05/26 06:27 PM
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I'm not sure that too much thought goes into the whole thing, but you're probably fairly close.
/r/PurplePillDebate11/05/26 06:12 PM
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And women tell us too.
/r/PurplePillDebate11/05/26 05:51 PM
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Yes, I'll concede that being penetrated is seen as inherently worse than actively penetrating. But is it demeaning when women use dildos on other women? I don't think it is. It's as though penetration is only negative when a man is involved.
/r/PurplePillDebate11/05/26 05:12 PM
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Two concepts don't have to be identical in order to compare them. If they did need to be identical, comparison wouldn't even be possible, because we'd only be allowed to compare identical concepts, which would by its very nature be redundant. It's apples and apples. There's entitlement in both cases; it's simply that one form of entitlement is somehow acceptable, and the other not. Probably because with the employment issue, the victim is seen as a valid victim, but with the relationship example…
/r/PurplePillDebate11/05/26 05:06 PM
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I'm not confusing anything. Just pointing out the hypocrisy.
/r/PurplePillDebate11/05/26 04:22 PM
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I don't expect anything from anyone, and I wasn't talking about myself. As I said, I was talking about the people who rail against situations they think are unfair to them whilst dismissing others as entitled when they do likewise.
/r/PurplePillDebate11/05/26 02:41 PM
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It's internalised misandry. Society tells us women are pure, and men are unclean, and men taint women when they have sex with them.
/r/PurplePillDebate11/05/26 01:33 PM
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It's funny how BPs think if they work hard their employer should promote them, but they don't believe that trying hard to be a good person should get you a partner.
/r/PurplePillDebate11/05/26 01:16 PM
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It's far more than 35% on here, though. More like 95%.
/r/PurplePillDebate11/05/26 11:46 AM
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You're asking in the wrong place, mate. Most of the women on here are intensely neurotic, with many of them neurodiverse, resulting in some truly bizarre opinions. I'm autistic too, but I'm not in denial and will readily accept that my views are not representative of men as a whole. While some of the women on PPD are reasonable, the majority are old, bitter, misandristic or all three.
/r/PurplePillDebate11/05/26 11:24 AM
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It's always the same whenever someone makes an irrefutable argument. Usually intelligent people become staggeringly obtuse. They either resort to whataboutery and dodge the point entirely or pretend not to understand it. In my experience, feminists and their allies typically have "all or nothing" attitudes. They assume if they concede even just one debate, they're conceding their whole position. More logical people are secure enough to allow others to poke holes in their beliefs and accept those…
/r/PurplePillDebate10/05/26 09:18 AM
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What's Kurt Cobain's girlfriend got to do with dating? Seriously, though, this is a good post. The fact none of the bluepillers are actually engaging with the topic confirms as much.
/r/PurplePillDebate09/05/26 12:22 PM
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Who's hacked Lilith's account? Because I actually agree with this one.
/r/PurplePillDebate09/05/26 11:59 AM
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Feminism would be less fragile if it went back to its roots. The suffragettes built alliances with men's groups and demanded equality; modern feminists alienate men wherever they can and seek supremacy.
/r/PurplePillDebate08/05/26 07:06 PM
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No difference, really. I have asked her, and she said she doesn't remember why. But I look nothing like the men she did sleep with, and she's admitted that she was more attracted to them. She thought it was a good thing, because when she was around men she found very attractive, she always felt too nervous, but she didn't get that with me. But what can you do? It was a long time ago.
/r/PurplePillDebate08/05/26 06:51 PM
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Yes, I do. Thanks.
/r/PurplePillDebate08/05/26 06:37 PM
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We must know different feminists.
/r/PurplePillDebate08/05/26 06:12 PM
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I tried to hookup with my wife while she was in a hookup phase and got rejected. We got into a relationship a couple of years later and eventually got married. Is she an outlier? Maybe, but I doubt it.
/r/PurplePillDebate08/05/26 05:46 PM
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I have. Even the bit about Onyeka
/r/PurplePillDebate08/05/26 05:32 PM
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In theory, that's what feminism means.
/r/PurplePillDebate08/05/26 05:14 PM
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I think most women would've hookup with their husbands Not necessarily
/r/PurplePillDebate08/05/26 05:07 PM
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She sounds non-feminist
/r/PurplePillDebate08/05/26 05:04 PM
2

How do you know?
/r/PurplePillDebate08/05/26 04:57 PM
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Not in the slightest
/r/PurplePillDebate08/05/26 04:56 PM
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“The reason your woman is always mad at you is because you aren’t her first choice” Many a true word spoken in jest. Of course, the official excuses are: Too much 'emotional labour' Unfair chore split Doesn't pay enough attention But it's always the average betabux bloke who ends up in a dead bedroom with a wife who can't stand him, and it doesn't matter if he's the perfect husband or not. Never settle down with someone who's settling for.
/r/PurplePillDebate08/05/26 01:10 PM
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That was Demolition Man, with Sylvester Stallone and Sandra Bullock.
/r/PurplePillDebate08/05/26 07:26 AM
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Good post. You can tell because the other side aren't actually engaging with its points. They're dodging them instead.
/r/PurplePillDebate07/05/26 06:03 PM
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No, I don't think that's the only place it exists. That wasn't my point, and I'm not sure why you think it was.
/r/PurplePillDebate07/05/26 04:19 PM
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In this thread, the usual suspects aren't responding to the question at hand; they're beating a strawman. Is it intellectual dishonesty, or poor reading comprehension? For anyone who's struggling, OP didn't compare "nice" with "charismatic". He compared "nice" with "charismatic douchebag".
/r/PurplePillDebate07/05/26 12:20 PM
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If you seriously believe that pretending 1,000 = 62,000,000 is "spreading truth", you've lost your grip on reality. Warn people they're in danger from 0.000025% of men? Sure, if you want. Seems a little hysterical, but that's part of being a useful idiot. If you can't work out the agenda for yourself, I'm not helping. I don't have the time or patience to explain geopolitics to someone who's already made their mind up.
/r/PurplePillDebate07/05/26 10:41 AM
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I don't know what they looked like, and I'm not sure of the relevance. Did you mean to reply to someone else?
/r/PurplePillDebate07/05/26 08:41 AM
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They're liars when they're inflating the numbers by over 6 million %. I'm not saying it was hoax; I just dislike it when people knowingly twist the facts to further their agenda.
/r/PurplePillDebate07/05/26 08:37 AM
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Which is terrible, and if the men are caught, they should be punished to the harshest extent. Hopefully, if they are caught, they'll be outed as nonces in prison, and they'll get their just desserts. But that wasn't my point. My point was that liars are still pretending it was 62 million people to gain internet points, drive engagement and, worst of all, increase division. They're basically useful idiots for the true scumbags who start shit like this: Russian and Chinese botfarms.
/r/PurplePillDebate07/05/26 08:17 AM
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If you have to threaten someone with getting their comments deleted, that usually indicates you're a small, petty individual who can't fight their own battles. Telling the teacher about mean words is also very much "middle school" behaviour. I have no quotes because you didn't refer to a number. Anyone with functioning eyes and the slightest knowledge of PPD regulars knows what you were trying to do, though.
/r/PurplePillDebate07/05/26 08:09 AM
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Entertaining, but also upsetting, judging by the mod report you're supposedly about to make.
/r/PurplePillDebate07/05/26 07:58 AM
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The confusion has been generated by people like the poster I replied to. Deliberately and maliciously.
/r/PurplePillDebate07/05/26 07:56 AM
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You know 1,000 men isn't going to raise any eyebrows, so you refer to it with the 'rape academy' headline that was used when the 62 million number was being maliciously pushed. The definition of disingenuous. Now, don't you have some mods to go crying to about your hurt feelings?
/r/PurplePillDebate07/05/26 07:55 AM
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Like I said, disingenuous.
/r/PurplePillDebate07/05/26 07:49 AM
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As you well know, the online rape academy has been throughly debunked. 62 million men suddenly became 1,000 men (0.000025% of the world's male population), so the story is now only being pushed by misandrists with an agenda. Disingenuous, toxic, terminally online people like you.
/r/PurplePillDebate07/05/26 07:38 AM
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I assume it's a warning. One that could've been useful to me 25 years ago, but not now. It'll probably be ignored, though, because everyone - very few of them the older married men whose perspective might be most valuable, I bet - is pouring scorn on it.
/r/PurplePillDebate07/05/26 07:13 AM
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I've seen a video of a large gorilla beating 3 t-rexes, so 4 humans would be easy
/r/PurplePillDebate06/05/26 12:17 PM
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When it comes to portrayal of autistic men in fiction, they are almost always portrayed as demisexual Really? Do you have any examples?
/r/PurplePillDebate06/05/26 11:22 AM
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I'll take your word for it
/r/PurplePillDebate06/05/26 11:17 AM
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Not a genuine opportunity. What happens if you lose the ability to perform and impress her? Injury and illness can happen to anyone, and then you're back to just being invisible.
/r/PurplePillDebate06/05/26 11:02 AM
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Can't watch videos at the moment, sorry
/r/PurplePillDebate06/05/26 10:30 AM
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A baby gorilla, yeah. A full grown silverback. No chance, unless they're exceptionally strong or well-trained. The average modern western man couldn't fight his way out of a paper bag.
/r/PurplePillDebate06/05/26 10:19 AM
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Most women will admit it was a thought experiment; the very fact it was even a question is the point. The ones who still insist that they would actually choose the bear IRL are either mentally ill or neurodiverse.
/r/PurplePillDebate06/05/26 10:16 AM
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Depends on how big the women are, I suppose. If it's global average, we're talking maybe 5'2, 130lbs, maybe? I'm 6'3, 320lbs and have done a bit of boxing in the past, so I reckon at least 4 or 5.
/r/PurplePillDebate06/05/26 10:09 AM
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That's the difference between male and female, not masculine and feminine.
/r/PurplePillDebate05/05/26 06:44 PM
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"How dare you, you pig!" sobs "YOU CAN'T HANDLE THE TRUTH!!!"
/r/PurplePillDebate05/05/26 11:46 AM
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What have celebrities got to do with it? She originally said men say "you can't handle the truth" to their woman when she finds out he's cheated. Now she's edited the post.
/r/PurplePillDebate05/05/26 10:21 AM
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Men may say in general that women can't handle the truth, but in your example, where the woman is understandably distraught, only an absolute psychopath would counter her distress with "you can't handle the truth".
/r/PurplePillDebate05/05/26 09:44 AM
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I doubt anyone in human history has ever said "you can't handle the truth" when confronted over cheating. That's perhaps the most ridiculous thing I've ever read on this sub, which is quite an achievement. Your first point re incompatibility is correct, though.
/r/PurplePillDebate05/05/26 09:33 AM
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I always assumed Taylor Swift was a big 1980s wrestling fan, and that's why she dressed like that.
/r/PurplePillDebate04/05/26 01:40 PM
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This analogy works in a couple of ways. Apart from the obvious "the fish doesn't catch other fish by angling, so it wouldn't know how to do so", there's the equally fitting "the fish wouldn't want to help you catch its friends anyway". It's not just a lack of expertise that renders women's dating advice useless; they don't want you to succeed because they're too protective of their friends and too antagonistic towards men.
/r/PurplePillDebate03/05/26 11:22 PM
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I don't think I've ever seen so many people being so deliberately obtuse in one place.
/r/PurplePillDebate03/05/26 06:00 PM
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Sounds hollow and meaningless to me.
/r/PurplePillDebate02/05/26 03:47 PM
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No, it's not. Having casual sex cannot be compared with financial freedom.
/r/PurplePillDebate02/05/26 03:42 PM
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So how do you know it'll be worth it?
/r/PurplePillDebate02/05/26 03:40 PM
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INFO: Have you actually achieved this, OP?
/r/PurplePillDebate02/05/26 03:38 PM
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I'm not sure if you've been living in a cave all your life, but people can be hypocritical. Like how women complain about men who play games but tend to target said men for a relationship. Like how women say they don't need men for their money but still look down on men who won't pay for dates. Like how women claim men are terrible in bed but generally aren't particularly good at sex themselves. Like how women spurn anxious/depressed men but take more antidepressants. Like how women say men thin…
/r/PurplePillDebate02/05/26 11:24 AM
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fooled into sex How does this work? Is it the old "aliens want to cut my dick off, so I need to hide it somewhere quick"?
/r/PurplePillDebate02/05/26 10:47 AM
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They're not "non-existent"; they're just invisible to you. If apex fallacies were banned on PPD, there wouldn't be any woman-created posts.
/r/PurplePillDebate02/05/26 10:27 AM
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At this stage, the only explanation is that she's related to at least one of the mods.
/r/PurplePillDebate01/05/26 04:59 PM
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Something like this takes a long time. Women have been told for decades that they should be independent, and there are still plenty of single women who are miserable due to their relationship status. Even if a feminism equivalent was introduced, it would be our descendants who'd benefit. That's if it even succeeded. There are a lot of pro-feminism men, but I fear most women would not support any such movement and would seek to undermine it wherever possible, as they do with any other male-centre…
/r/PurplePillDebate01/05/26 04:45 PM
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I disagree. Men are seen as interchangeable now, to a certain degree. In the past, the thinking was that if you get a good man, you hold on tight to him, because a good man wasn't easy to find. Nowadays, new men are always a couple of clicks away. Some of them aren't good men, granted, but there are far more of them available. And many of them will be a better option than the current bloke in the hot seat.
/r/PurplePillDebate01/05/26 03:54 PM
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Although violence against women is at a low, due to the internet we know about it more nowadays. As for depression, women now are living the same lives as men. Women in the past were less free, so when they got liberation, they appreciated it. Today's women have always been free; they have no point of comparison. Perhaps they're realising the freedom to spend half of your waking life in an office (or shop, or care home, or wherever) working for much richer people isn't that great after all.
/r/PurplePillDebate01/05/26 09:42 AM
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Not women who fuck men. Women who fuck men they've only just met.
/r/PurplePillDebate01/05/26 07:59 AM
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Women are killed by men they've been sexually intimate with far more often than by random men.
/r/PurplePillDebate01/05/26 07:45 AM
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These are all easier to avoid for men. And there's a much lower risk of physical harm. If a woman turns about to be a psycho, most men could fight off most women.
/r/PurplePillDebate01/05/26 07:35 AM
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You can reduce the risk; you can't remove it entirely. And then you've got the danger of being murdered, which is, according to modern women, something every man is capable of.
/r/PurplePillDebate01/05/26 07:30 AM
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It's not that risky for men, though
/r/PurplePillDebate01/05/26 07:27 AM
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How can "promiscuity is significantly more risky for women" be the same for men?
/r/PurplePillDebate01/05/26 07:17 AM
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Fair enough. I'm pretty sure, though, that these opinions are popular. Whether online or IRL, I've found the common consensus is that the burden of performance lies with men.
/r/PurplePillDebate01/05/26 07:14 AM
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Probably not. Promiscuity is significantly more risky for women, and repeatedly indulging in risky behaviour is indicative of immaturity and poor judgements. If you just like sex, you can have more of it with a committed partner than you can by sleeping around.
/r/PurplePillDebate01/05/26 07:06 AM
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Sure, but that's not my point. My point is that men are judged harshly for their lack of skill, and women are either not judged at all, or they're treated like victims, or their poor performance is blamed on men for not inspiring enough passion in them.
/r/PurplePillDebate01/05/26 06:59 AM
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This is a perfect example of the "women are wonderful" in-group bias. If you were told some men are bad at sex, you'd instantly believe it. When you're told some women are bad at sex, you turn the woman into a victim (she doesn't want to be there) or an equal sufferer (doesn't feel good for either party).
/r/PurplePillDebate01/05/26 06:49 AM
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The gender war will only end when one of the following happens: 1) Violence against women reduces substantially - highly unlikely 2) Women become less picky over mate choice - impossible 3) The actors stoking the gender war (non-Western agitators) are stopped - highly unlikely
/r/PurplePillDebate30/04/26 12:15 PM
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That depends on whom you ask. Most women will say it's worse when a man cheats, and most men will say it's worse when a woman cheats.
/r/PurplePillDebate30/04/26 12:11 PM
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My heart bleeds for them
/r/PurplePillDebate29/04/26 05:47 PM
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Maybe, but I don't think they take it quite as personally as women. It's just seen as one of the very pitfalls of being extremely attractive.
/r/PurplePillDebate29/04/26 03:51 PM
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This would be valid if women weren't just as guilty of objectification as men. Women objectify men, but only the top 0.1%. I've heard women talk about men like they are literally meat. Hence the old-fashioned term "hunk", as in hunk of meat. And it's not just talk either, as you'll realise if you ever see how women behave with a male stripper.
/r/PurplePillDebate29/04/26 02:42 PM
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As are women. They just get a pass because most men can still come no matter how unskilled the woman is.
/r/PurplePillDebate28/04/26 09:26 PM
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It all depends on what kind of anti-social traits you have. If you're a Reddit-style uber-nerd who says things like, "um, actually, I think you'll find the square cube law prohibits that" or "lol, lmao even", you're shit out of luck. Nobody will like you. If you're a loud, party-going big mouth who bullies the geek from the previous example, then it's an entirely different situation. Some people will still hate you; others will love you.
/r/PurplePillDebate28/04/26 06:33 PM
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What if you're poor? I know China have lifted a lot of people out of poverty since the turn of the millennium, but there are still plenty of poor people.
/r/PurplePillDebate28/04/26 05:56 PM
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This is true. Unless you're an attractive man, in which case it doesn't really matter. Or if you're a woman, who will get sympathy no matter how toxically she behaves. So yes, this is true. For average and below average men. EDIT: actually, it's not true for below average men either, because they won't get sympathy anyway.
/r/PurplePillDebate28/04/26 05:19 PM
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OK. But you said, "in China, you need the 3 things", and one of those 3 things isn't true a lot of the time. Apparently, one of the others - owning a house - is also not entirely true. Because apparently, it's common for parents to help their adult children buy a property in advance of marriage. So we're down to one thing, really.
/r/PurplePillDebate28/04/26 05:16 PM
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Sure, but maybe, in more cases than you think, it's not even ethically wrong. Changing your mind isn't inherently bad. If a man says he wants a relationship but cuts the woman off after they've had sex, he might've been lying, but he also might've been telling the truth and then changed his mind about the woman. This is even more likely if the sex was bad. He could've been hoping she was adventurous, and she turned out to be boring. Maybe she just lies there. Perhaps she's a little too... roomy,…
/r/PurplePillDebate28/04/26 02:47 PM
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You think so? You think a man would rather admit to rape than non-consensual sex?
/r/PurplePillDebate28/04/26 02:39 PM
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How do you know the man hasn't just changed his mind? Some women believe the burden of sexual performance lies solely with men and are terrible in bed as a result, which could be enough to turn a potential relationship into a one night stand. Women like this can either continue to expect sexual expertise while imitating starfish and keep getting dumped, or they can assume some responsibility.
/r/PurplePillDebate28/04/26 02:37 PM
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Maybe that's a common tactic, then - using euphemisms to get people to confess to things they'd usually hide.
/r/PurplePillDebate28/04/26 12:42 PM
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Is that the study that only interviewed men who admitted they were rapists which feminists jumped and claimed it was representative of men as a whole?
/r/PurplePillDebate28/04/26 12:00 PM
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Thanks for that irrelevant, nonsensical vomit, but it doesn't address what I said.
/r/PurplePillDebate28/04/26 11:39 AM
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I'm not gonna rape somebody cause I never had sex Feminist apex fallacy number 423. It's not incels out there raping women, in the main. Most rapists don't have a problem finding consensual sex. I know you'd like to believe it's the creepy, awkward, ugly men who are evil, but that's not supported by any statistics whatsoever.
/r/PurplePillDebate28/04/26 08:58 AM
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So it's just 2 things, then.
/r/PurplePillDebate28/04/26 08:56 AM
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In China, only 50% of urban households and 33% of rural households have a car https://www.statista.com/statistics/233678/number-of-cars-per-100-households-in-china-by-income/#:~:text=In%202023%2C%20on%20average%2C%20one%20in%20two,rural%20households%20in%20China%20owned%20a%20car. Sounds to me like you're using the usual PPD apex fallacy that focuses only on middle classes and above.
/r/PurplePillDebate27/04/26 10:36 PM
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The true man-haters would, definitely. Most of the rest would prefer it if we just became invisible and unable to interact with them, and a small percentage wouldn't change anything because they enjoy the company of men in general.
/r/PurplePillDebate27/04/26 05:36 PM
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If only everyone was a natural charmer with a sunny disposition like you, Lilith.
/r/PurplePillDebate27/04/26 04:06 PM
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I'm not talking about myself here. That's why I say "they". You'd have to ask them why they say stuff like this.
/r/PurplePillDebate27/04/26 07:32 AM
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Yes, it's weird when men do that.
/r/PurplePillDebate27/04/26 05:37 AM
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Tate is a joke, though. He's the only manosphere person I could actually name, to be fair, and he's seemingly the worst of the lot. It's almost like he's trolling at the moment. Plus, he's almost certainly a criminal and should probably be behind bars.
/r/PurplePillDebate26/04/26 05:30 PM
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Yeah, and that's weird too. Claiming the entirety of one gender is more attractive than the entirety of the other is odd.
/r/PurplePillDebate26/04/26 04:09 PM
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There's a difference between men telling each other they look good, and saying they're the more attractive gender. The former is supportive; the latter is just weird.
/r/PurplePillDebate26/04/26 03:59 PM
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It's fine, but it would probably be healthier for them to come to terms with their sexuality rather than pretending to be straight and being bitter and resentful as a result.
/r/PurplePillDebate26/04/26 03:50 PM
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/r/PurplePillDebate26/04/26 03:23 PM
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If a man said all men are attractive and only 10% of women are, we'd say he's gay. Women who talk this are bisexual, if not lesbian. When they deny this, they're basically doing the "Yes I'm vegan. Yes I eat meat. We exist" meme.
/r/PurplePillDebate26/04/26 02:33 PM
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It also tells me they're currently worthless and need to improve if they're going to have success. Which, to me, means "you're the prize" is aspirational.
/r/PurplePillDebate26/04/26 02:28 PM
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many men call themselves RP, but then make statements that directly contradict RP (ie some say “men don’t have the luxury of being selective!”, which directly contradicts RP’s own “I Am the Prize” as well as “Nexting” and “Abundance Mentality” That doesn't mean they're not RP. Being the prize etc is an aspiration; they're telling men what success looks like. Most RP men would probably admit they've not reached that level yet, but they're trying to.
/r/PurplePillDebate26/04/26 01:39 PM
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They just want us to be quiet, go away and resume invisibility.
/r/PurplePillDebate26/04/26 01:21 PM
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Women dislike useless men. Feminists dislike all men, and they loathe useless men. It's not much of a stretch to conclude they'd get rid of useless men if they could. And nothing gets rid of men quicker than war.
/r/PurplePillDebate26/04/26 11:15 AM
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So would I also be much taller and heavier-built than the average woman? If so, then no. If not, maybe, but only if my wife was OK with it.
/r/PurplePillDebate26/04/26 11:11 AM
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Get my Prime Minister's name out of your mouth!
/r/PurplePillDebate26/04/26 08:13 AM
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If I got £1 every time I saw someone say "men should have government-mandated sex slaves", I'd have enough to buy myself a pint and maybe a packet of nuts. If I got £1 every time I saw someone say "men think they should have government-mandated sex slaves", I'd be able to buy my own pub.
/r/PurplePillDebate26/04/26 07:27 AM
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Maybe the least attractive man could tell you thought he was less attractive, and it made him resentful. Never settle.
/r/PurplePillDebate25/04/26 09:16 PM
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Use the same super spidey sense that operates with unerring accuracy when awkward men are creeps
/r/PurplePillDebate25/04/26 08:51 PM
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In what way is rape culture perpetuated? And what does rape culture actually look like? Because if anything, rape is taken far more seriously than it used to be. 30 - 40 years ago, the idea that 2 equally drunk people willingly having sex could be classed as the man raping the woman would've been laughed at. The way rape victims are treated by the judicial system still needs improvement, but it's much better than it once was.
/r/PurplePillDebate25/04/26 07:55 PM
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Maybe the world has changed now. When I was younger, men were much quicker to resort to violence, especially after drink. Brawls would start over somebody giving someone a dirty look, let alone publicly criticising them. I'd probably have less metal in my face if I was coming of age now, though I'd also have been a single virgin for a lot longer too.
/r/PurplePillDebate25/04/26 05:10 PM
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Right, so you're only talking about doing it in a place where you know you're safe. Yeah, somebody is already at risk. I'm not responsible for that person; I'm responsible for my wife and kids. If some lunatic stabs me, is the woman I saved going to pay our bills and console my children?
/r/PurplePillDebate25/04/26 02:55 PM
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How many sexual assaults happen with witnesses present?
/r/PurplePillDebate25/04/26 02:48 PM
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OK, but it's not stopping terrible things from happening to women.
/r/PurplePillDebate25/04/26 02:47 PM
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So you're saying men should risk their own safety to protect women? Last time I did that, I almost got stabbed. I'm not leaving my kids without a dad to stop a random woman getting her arse pinched or a bit of unwanted attention.
/r/PurplePillDebate25/04/26 02:46 PM
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What do you mean by "something terrible", if not rape and murder? How many videos are there of 10 - 20 men witnessing a rape or murder and doing nothing?
/r/PurplePillDebate25/04/26 02:40 PM
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If that makes you feel like you're helping, then great. But unless you're in a very large, well-populated locker room, the likelihood is that you're not calling out a rapist, or even a potential rapist. You're just calling out a dickhead.
/r/PurplePillDebate25/04/26 02:38 PM
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You said "stop them". How does any of the above stop them? All of the above can only be done once they've already acted and if they're identified, by which point it's too late anyway. Besides, rapists and murderers don't care about being unpopular, or publicity campaigns, or being humiliated by other men.
/r/PurplePillDebate25/04/26 02:27 PM
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When a man does a horrible thing, other men SHOULD stop him I'm not sure if you're aware, but when men do horrible things, there aren't usually other men there who could stop him. Criminals tend to avoid committing crime in front of bystanders because being witnessed is more likely to lead to apprehension and conviction.
/r/PurplePillDebate25/04/26 02:16 PM
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Exactly. Some issues are taken seriously, as they should be, and society gnashes and wails about systemic injustice. With this issue in particular, we're told "tough shit". Imagine, for example, women were told "tough shit" about the gender pay gap. No affirmative action, no sympathy, just banal nonsense like "nobody is entitled to a well-paid job" and "have you tried improving yourself?"
/r/PurplePillDebate25/04/26 01:42 PM
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Of course it's dismissive of male victims. That's one of their main tactics.
/r/LeftWingMaleAdvocates25/04/26 10:53 AM
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You got me! I'll go and hand myself in to the authorities.
/r/PurplePillDebate25/04/26 09:38 AM
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It's even worse when they do the same thing with murderers and rapists. And if you take exception to that, you're told you must be a murderer or rapist yourself.
/r/PurplePillDebate25/04/26 05:58 AM
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62 million That's been debunked.
/r/PurplePillDebate24/04/26 07:19 PM
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Because that's what always happens here. Whataboutery. Which basically confirms what you said in your OP.
/r/PurplePillDebate24/04/26 07:14 PM
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It wasn't a conversation about rape. I'm the person she had the conversation with. The discussion was provoked by a woman saying that, if men want sex so much, why don't they just have sex with other men, rather than expecting women to sleep with men they're not really attracted to. I said you can't compare someone having gay sex to someone having sex with someone they're not attracted to.
/r/PurplePillDebate24/04/26 07:12 PM
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You said they want to be rude yet still have a partner. I said you're wrong because I think they'd prefer to be themselves. And unless you have surgery, being ugly is permanent. Ugly women can hide it with makeup, to a degree, but they're still ugly.
/r/PurplePillDebate24/04/26 04:37 PM
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I think they'd rather just be themselves.
/r/PurplePillDebate24/04/26 03:15 PM
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these guys miss patriarchy You can't miss something you've never had. Unless you think there are men in their sixties on here.
/r/PurplePillDebate24/04/26 02:55 PM
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Now she wants kids In the real world, women want kids just as much as men.
/r/PurplePillDebate24/04/26 12:44 PM
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Touché
/r/PurplePillDebate24/04/26 11:50 AM
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You talk about men in a highly derogatory way. Your disdain for men will be obvious to anyone with eyes, and only men who tolerate toxicity will want to be around you. That's not a personal attack; it's common sense.
/r/PurplePillDebate24/04/26 11:14 AM
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Wow, so edgy
/r/PurplePillDebate24/04/26 08:56 AM
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I'm saying it's quite common for women to downplay the attractiveness of men who've treated them badly. Their actions make them seem less attractive than they objectively are. And I thought Chads were just meant to be attractive. 6'6 with six pack and a perfect jaw would make them more of a giga-Chad (I feel like an idiot even typing that).
/r/PurplePillDebate24/04/26 08:20 AM
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Is that not just sour grapes talking, though? There must be something about them if they're able to attract numerous different women at or around the same time.
/r/PurplePillDebate23/04/26 09:58 PM
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People grow. They mature. They learn what is better in a relationship and what is not Also, people allow their standards to drop when they can't get what they're looking for and become desperate. You talk like everyone is wise and shrewd, making grown-up decisions, when at least half of all humans are idiots.
/r/PurplePillDebate23/04/26 08:57 PM
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So many misandrist talking points come straight from the rhetoric of Nazi and supremacist movements They use the fascist trope of the paradoxically strong yet weak enemy in particular. Men dominate every facet of life and run the world as tyrants, but men are also pathetic man-children who are falling behind in every way. It means they can cast themselves as underdogs whilst having a reason to look down on us.
/r/LeftWingMaleAdvocates23/04/26 07:48 PM
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Fair enough.
/r/PurplePillDebate23/04/26 05:21 PM
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Two wrongs don't make a right.
/r/PurplePillDebate23/04/26 04:57 PM
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So, because some men with certain mental illnesses and personality disorders physically attack and sexually assault women, you think that it's okay to demonise billions of men even when they've never been violent towards women? BTW, I'm not saying "you" specifically; I'm talking about the way women in general talk about men. There's generalisation and stereotyping on both sides, and it's no better to be painted as a rapist than as an attention whore.
/r/PurplePillDebate23/04/26 04:52 PM
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Male nurses?
/r/PurplePillDebate23/04/26 02:51 PM
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Bi-curious men admire gym-bros, but I don't think they're as drawn to them sexually. Obviously, some will be, but most of the ones I see are lusting after effeminate men. Which I can understand. If I were going to bat for the other team, so to speak, it would be with a man who's as close to a woman as possible.
/r/PurplePillDebate22/04/26 11:52 PM
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OK, fair enough. But do you genuinely believe it's as onerous for a woman to sleep with a man she's not attracted to as it is for a heterosexual man to sleep with another man? Not that I believe women should sleep with men they're not attracted to. I just don't think it's in the same league as a person, male or female, having sex with someone they're not oriented towards.
/r/PurplePillDebate22/04/26 11:47 PM
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OP:
/r/PurplePillDebate22/04/26 10:15 PM
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Tell your feminist friends. They insist women weren't allowed to work because they think the past was one big Jane Austen novel.
/r/PurplePillDebate22/04/26 09:52 PM
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So did it clarify the scope as "the west", as you originally claimed, or "America", as you reverted to when you realised you don't know what "the west" is? Because you've changed your mind once, so I just want to be sure.
/r/PurplePillDebate22/04/26 09:27 PM
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Cute you think the American definition of class is in any way meaningful. Hint: it's not about money. If it was, people would just he grouped by income, and not class.
/r/PurplePillDebate22/04/26 09:26 PM
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Where did he say America? I've re-read it, and that word doesn't feature. Maybe you should take it up with him. Anyway, I thought it was "about the west", or are you abandoning that now that your geographic ignorance has been pointed out?
/r/PurplePillDebate22/04/26 09:23 PM
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Most of the west is working class. Do you know what the west is?
/r/PurplePillDebate22/04/26 09:09 PM
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They're dead. You got a Ouija board? And I'm not taking it up with you. I'm just correcting misconceptions.
/r/PurplePillDebate22/04/26 09:07 PM
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Are you aware that >99% of the world is not American upper middle class? Working class men tend to earn more than working class women. And it may be outside of your bubble, but do you know what most of the world's population is? Working class.
/r/PurplePillDebate22/04/26 09:02 PM
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Not at all. I'd prefer a reasonably pretty, pleasant, intelligent, principled, kind-hearted woman to a 10/10 with a shitty personality. I'd desire the former just as much as, if not more than, the latter. I wouldn't trade my wife for any woman in the world, even if they're objectively more attractive. And I never would have, not after the first couple of months. That's the difference the OP's talking about. Settling indicates you would do better if you could, and if a better option became availa…
/r/PurplePillDebate22/04/26 08:54 PM
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For centuries, the average man didn't have economic freedom either. He worked his master's land and got a pittance with which to feed his family.
/r/PurplePillDebate22/04/26 08:32 PM
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I doubt I'll ever understand women 😂
/r/PurplePillDebate22/04/26 07:59 PM
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I can believe it; you don't need a screenshot on my account. It's almost a meme for young lads to be into femboys now. While I doubt it's as common as women having lesbian fantasies, it's definitely not rare. If anyone says "X gender are all beautiful, and 90% of Y gender are ugly", then they prefer X gender for sex.
/r/PurplePillDebate22/04/26 07:25 PM
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While I understand the objections from other introverted men here, I've got to agree. I'm autistic as fuck. Had I not started drinking and going to pubs and clubs 30 years ago, I'd still be a virgin today. Certainly wouldn't be married with kids, anyway.
/r/PurplePillDebate22/04/26 07:10 PM
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Maybe you shouldn't pick useless men
/r/PurplePillDebate22/04/26 04:25 PM
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The average man only brings the average woman’s quality of life down Why? Surely he'd just maintain it at average. If she's average, and he's average, then guess what?
/r/PurplePillDebate22/04/26 04:08 PM
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It's not being obtuse; he's interpreting the word average in the literal way. It's like saying 'the average person earns 500k per year'.
/r/PurplePillDebate22/04/26 04:04 PM
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I get what you mean. And I don't think many women are truly straight, or even half-straight. Frequently, I see women on here saying things like, "So many women are beautiful, but most men are ugly". If a man said, "So many men are handsome, but most women are ugly", I'd assume he was gay.
/r/PurplePillDebate22/04/26 02:56 PM
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I'm anti-natalist, so there will be on no whining from me. TBF, I do believe in wage equality; I just wanted to highlight how some problems have to be accepted, and others have to be agonised over.
/r/PurplePillDebate22/04/26 02:50 PM
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While I'm aware there are people for whom sexual orientation is relatively fluid, there are also people who are extremely, rigidly one way or the other. If a man improves his style and confidence, he can become more attractive to a specific woman. For me, it doesn't matter how stylish and charismatic a man is; I'm just never going to find him attractive.
/r/PurplePillDebate22/04/26 02:47 PM
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Maybe they shouldn't drink as much, then. Or accept that if they do drink, they'll make stupid decisions, but they are still making those choices and should take accountability for them. Rather than painting themselves as victims of evil manipulative men.
/r/PurplePillDebate22/04/26 02:15 PM
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It's recognised, but it's certainly not accepted as something that doesn't need to be remedied.
/r/PurplePillDebate22/04/26 01:23 PM
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Being straight means being heterosexual. Stop being obtuse; you're better than this.
/r/PurplePillDebate22/04/26 11:59 AM
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Can we recognise that there's an asymmetry in men's and women's earnings potential? Like - there's a gender pay gap, and men's careers aren't affected by maternity. It is actually possible to recognise that fact AND not treat it like it's some terrible injustice that simply must be remedied..
/r/PurplePillDebate22/04/26 11:54 AM
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Do you honestly think that's who OP is talking to, comphet men? Or is OP just being flippant?
/r/PurplePillDebate22/04/26 11:51 AM
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Your "point" has been made dozens of times over the last few years. It wasn't particularly clever on the first occasion, and it's getting worse with age.
/r/PurplePillDebate22/04/26 11:47 AM
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The 1950s called - they want their "homosexuality is a choice" attitude back
/r/PurplePillDebate22/04/26 11:19 AM
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I bet it didn't affect the men's success rate anyway
/r/PurplePillDebate22/04/26 11:02 AM
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What's the tee app?
/r/PurplePillDebate22/04/26 10:48 AM
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The funniest part is sites like "Are We Dating the Same Guy?" or whatever it's called. They act like they're all unwitting victims of these Machiavellian monsters, when really, if they had the slightest bit of common sense and integrity, they'd know they were selecting these walking red flags and accept that they're at least partially to blame.
/r/PurplePillDebate22/04/26 10:39 AM
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It'll be similar to the "sex scene" in Demolition Man.
/r/PurplePillDebate21/04/26 08:26 PM
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To you
/r/PurplePillDebate21/04/26 07:05 PM
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Did you ask the person I replied to for a source?
/r/PurplePillDebate21/04/26 07:03 PM
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In general, women end up in a relationship with the least objectively attractive man they ever sleep with. And most men end up in a relationship with the most objectively attractive woman they ever sleep with.
/r/PurplePillDebate21/04/26 06:55 PM
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Another ableist woman laying into autistic men on PPD. What a surprise.
/r/PurplePillDebate21/04/26 06:52 PM
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I know. If people are going to insist on using AI to do their writing, can't they ask that the result is more natural sounding?
/r/PurplePillDebate21/04/26 02:33 PM
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It annoys me because it's not even grammatically-correct. The one favoured by AI is the em dash (—), which is supposed to be used for interruptions and interjections in speech and thought. For example: "What time did you get home—" "—It's none of your business what time I got home last night." AI uses the em dash as though it's the slightly shorter en dash (–), which is interchangeable with a semi-colon and sometimes a comma. Anyway, rant over.
/r/PurplePillDebate21/04/26 02:25 PM
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Not always. Quite often it's in arguments over who contributes to society, or which gender has it hardest.
/r/PurplePillDebate21/04/26 07:24 AM
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You also see perma-single femcels and cat-ladies complain about how much emotional labour wives do and how hard pregnancy is.
/r/PurplePillDebate20/04/26 05:33 PM
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The man should be punished by the law, whatever his excuse, and his actions should carry the same stigma they would if the woman had been faithful. I would feel less sympathy for the woman, though. If a random person on the street gets beaten up, I feel sorry for them, but if I knew they were a racist, or any other type of bigot, I'd feel less sorry for them. An adulterer is on that same level IMO. They're not a criminal, but they're a bad person, so I'm not going to shed any tears over their mi…
/r/PurplePillDebate18/04/26 03:21 PM
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