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I have no accountability to avoid because I wasn't born then. You have no right to victimhood because you weren't born then either. The Nazis bombed my grandparents house and killed hundreds of thousands of my countrymen, but I don't hate modern Germans or want them to accept accountability for their ancestors' actions, so why are you determined to blame modern men for a situation they didn't create that ended before you were born? Could it be the inflammatory and biased content you ingest and t…
/r/PurplePillDebate16/08/26 11:23 PM
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Different sources say different things. Some say 500 years; some day 300. None say thousands, which was your original claim. The original point of the conversation, when you replied to me, was when I said feminism has ruined the left wing, within the last century. You took it on a massive tangent and started talking about the entire history of gender relations. So if you want to go back to the original point, great. We've been debating your off-topic argument for long enough.
/r/PurplePillDebate16/08/26 10:56 PM
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I didn't say it did. Most men didn't believe that women were the root of all evil. Everybody was someone's property in those days, so the idea of being somebody's else property wasn't as extreme as you're making out. You're making the common mistake of viewing history through a modern lens.
/r/PurplePillDebate16/08/26 10:41 PM
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Race emerged as a concept, not racism. Most religions don't claim that women are the root of all evil. Children were viewed in much the same way as women, but nobody claims that society hated children. You're insisting on "hatred" because it's an emotive term and reinforces your ancestral victim complex. Women were owned by men, who were in turn owned by men above them. Men were forced to work for their lords and fight their wars. Would you say they had their "lives ruined", or would that dilute…
/r/PurplePillDebate16/08/26 10:33 PM
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Do you have any idea how many communist nations were overthrown by the CIA? There was no maths involved. Your opinion on the value of a person's time is subjective. You think it depends on how productive and profitable they can be; I think it comes down to something less venal.
/r/PurplePillDebate16/08/26 09:38 PM
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Marxism has failed for many reasons. Pretending it's always because of the same reason is reductive and proves your bias. And it's very easy to objectify value. You do so with an internationally consistent and easily understandable unit: time. Everybody's time is of the same value, as we all get roughly the same amount.
/r/PurplePillDebate16/08/26 09:24 PM
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It's a fairly well documented theory, but sure, here's a source. Racism and xenophobia are ancient concepts, but people didn't go to war over them. Most men have never "hated" women. Oppression of women has normally been fueled by religion, and none of those religions preached hatred of women. Women were expected to know their place and duty, but so were men. I suggest you read some actual history rather than feminist propaganda.
/r/PurplePillDebate16/08/26 09:10 PM
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OK, I was a little dismissive. I disagree entirely with your assertion that value is always subjective, though.
/r/PurplePillDebate16/08/26 08:52 PM
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There hasn't race and gender war for thousands of years. Race didn't even exist as a concept until about 300 years ago. And gender norms were dictated by religion; there was no struggle or war.
/r/PurplePillDebate16/08/26 08:40 PM
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Yeah, well I'm 90. We can all play that silly game. Value being objective or subjective is irrelevant. It's just something you trot out because you think it makes you look enigmatic and intellectual, but it's meaningless.
/r/PurplePillDebate16/08/26 08:20 PM
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It doesn't happen equally around the world, but it does in the west. In fact, recent studies suggest that western women are out-abusing men in various ways. They need to manufacture the "gender war". If you don't think the whole pillosphere/radfem nonsense is being amplified beyond its natural reach, you're deluded. Just like the whole race war bullshit we're constantly being bombarded with. I understand it's difficult when you realise you're being manipulated and indoctrinated, so you'll no dou…
/r/PurplePillDebate16/08/26 08:18 PM
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The so-called gender war isn't about women being treated like shit. That will always happen, because there will always be shitty men. Just as there will always be shitty women who abuse men.
/r/PurplePillDebate16/08/26 08:07 PM
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I was probably thinking this through before you were even born, kid.
/r/PurplePillDebate16/08/26 08:05 PM
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Sure, mate. If we just be patient, those riches will definitely start trickling down to us soon.
/r/PurplePillDebate16/08/26 08:02 PM
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No, my original comment was about how left wing ideology has been polluted by identity politics. Billionaires do cause division to protect themselves, anyway. All of this battle of the sexes stuff is manufactured.
/r/PurplePillDebate16/08/26 06:50 PM
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When members of the proletariat advocate Marxism, it's perfectly reasonable. When it's the bourgeoisie doing so, they sound like dicks.
/r/PurplePillDebate16/08/26 06:48 PM
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OK, but the prevailing narrative these days is how much hard work men cause for women, when women cause just as much for men. And "irregardless" isn't a word, BTW.
/r/PurplePillDebate16/08/26 05:46 PM
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So what you're saying is that for something to be bad, it needs to be responsible for every bad thing in the world? Do you think Adolf Hitler wasn't a bad guy because there was domestic abuse in Britain and the US?
/r/PurplePillDebate16/08/26 05:39 PM
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You sound like one of those easily distracted by bread and circuses people
/r/PurplePillDebate16/08/26 05:25 PM
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Understandable. I can be a little long-winded myself at times.
/r/PurplePillDebate16/08/26 01:03 PM
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Well it would've been a slippery slope if we were talking about a specific old man dating a 18yo and I said "he's dating a 18yo today, tomorrow he might be dating a 13yo" That's not a slippery slope; it's a slippery cliff edge. The idea of a slippery slope is you don't necessarily immediately get the worst possible outcome. You get there eventually as one transgression becomes another worse transgression, and then worse again, and so on. People should have care for minors and children in the bac…
/r/PurplePillDebate16/08/26 11:39 AM
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This is the same slippery slope fallacy that some women complain about when some men say they don't want to commit to promiscuous women. The theory is that, if a woman sees nothing wrong indulging in casual sex with strangers or brief acquaintances, she may continue to do so while partnered. An argument against is that morals prevent her being unfaithful. But the same argument can be used against the idea that men who are attracted to young adults will also be attracted to adolescents, some of w…
/r/PurplePillDebate16/08/26 10:39 AM
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Reddit skews autistic in general, and in my experience it's even more disproportionately prevalent amongst women here. If the women of PPD were the average, the human race wouldn't last another generation. The vast majority of women aren't childfree or deeply misandristic, thankfully.
/r/PurplePillDebate16/08/26 06:49 AM
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Anybody ever take the piss out of you for being overly-verbose, or is that just me?
/r/PurplePillDebate16/08/26 06:41 AM
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Where did I say it's the only problem and everything is their fault?
/r/PurplePillDebate16/08/26 06:40 AM
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It's not the Marxism that makes them idiots. Left wing politics were fine until feminism got involved and changed the struggle from elites vs the rest of us to men vs women.
/r/PurplePillDebate16/08/26 12:02 AM
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You underestimate the amount of extra labour, sometimes physical but more often emotional, that women cause for men.
/r/PurplePillDebate15/08/26 11:56 PM
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For someone who spends a lot of time with bros, you're not very good at spotting when someone is taking the piss out of you.
/r/PurplePillDebate15/08/26 11:52 PM
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This all sounds very middle class, and possibly gay.
/r/PurplePillDebate15/08/26 10:27 PM
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Your sociology professor is an idiot.
/r/PurplePillDebate15/08/26 10:24 PM
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You're not getting an opportunity; you're getting an unfair advantage. And the fact you're not even willing to accept that, let alone admit it's not right, tells me everything I need to know about your morals. Plus the fact you're not aware that most men were property too tells me everything I need to know about your education. Don't let the door hit you on the way out.
/r/PurplePillDebate15/08/26 04:23 PM
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So it is about retribution. You're revelling in the fact that you're on top and someone else is beneath you. Your second paragraph is yet another apex fallacy. Up until a century or so ago, for several millenia, 99% of men had no more chance of getting an education than women. They were down the mines, working the fields, fighting in wars. For a brief time, the common man was entitled to an education when the common woman wasn't. About 30 years from now, the average woman will have had an unfair…
/r/PurplePillDebate15/08/26 04:14 PM
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As a famous yet deeply flawed man once said: "Social media made y'all way too comfortable with disrespecting people and not getting punched in the face for it". We used to sort out who was actually masculine and who play-acting with actual action, not words. Nowadays, the pretend tough guy gets the girl, and she's disappointed when it turns out he was just pretending to be a man.
/r/PurplePillDebate15/08/26 04:06 PM
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Except, that's not true. Women are not being chosen over men who score higher. They are simply ensured equal access to have the chance to be chosen in the first place. Women's grades are worth more. That's the whole idea behind affirmative action; that's what men are pissed off about. We're enslaving young men? That sounds horrible. Wonder why I haven't heard about this? If you don't understand analogies, let me know; I'll explain it very clearly. If you do and are being facetious, then thanks f…
/r/PurplePillDebate15/08/26 04:00 PM
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They need to be more capable than women to achieve the same results? I don't even know why women even want to be given preferential treatment. Does it not cheapen any success you have if you've given an unfair advantage? If it were me, I'd want to know I'd got results by merit, but I suppose not everyone's the same. Some people are more shameless than others.
/r/PurplePillDebate15/08/26 03:53 PM
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They are being punished. Women are given priority, purely due to what's between their legs. When slavery was ended, did we enslave all whites to make amends for the suffering of black people? And if you worry about the cost to society, why do you support less capable women getting preferential treatment? You either believe in equality and meritocracy, or you believe in retribution and favouritism.
/r/PurplePillDebate15/08/26 02:38 PM
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The system I'd suggest would be inducting the most capable. Not giving one side extra marks because their ancestors had a tough time.
/r/PurplePillDebate15/08/26 02:35 PM
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So the young men of today should be punished for a system from which they've never benefited? I thought feminism was about equality, not supremacy and revenge.
/r/PurplePillDebate15/08/26 02:17 PM
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Feminism had so much potential. Had it focused on equality as some people pretend, once that was attained, the world's men and women could've united to oppose the forces that actually oppress us. Unfortunately, feminists are as human as the rest of us, so when they tasted success they wanted more. Equality is no longer sufficient; supremacy and revenge are the aims nowadays. Not that they'll achieve them. Due to climate change, the whole planet will be a hostile and unforgiving place within the …
/r/PurplePillDebate15/08/26 12:10 PM
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You suggested it; he said it was 'stellar advice'.
/r/PurplePillDebate14/08/26 10:51 AM
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Do you think that somebody can only refuse something that another person is entitled to?
/r/PurplePillDebate14/08/26 09:25 AM
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He just addressed that, and even commended you on your suggestion.
/r/PurplePillDebate14/08/26 09:22 AM
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I remember my first beer.
/r/PurplePillDebate06/08/26 09:08 PM
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yapping Child detected. Opinion rejected.
/r/PurplePillDebate06/08/26 07:55 PM
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I'm not your mate, pal
/r/PurplePillDebate06/08/26 07:16 PM
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That time of the month, is it?
/r/PurplePillDebate06/08/26 07:08 PM
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Oh look another overly-emotional woman getting upset over nothing. Groundbreaking.
/r/PurplePillDebate06/08/26 07:02 PM
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You made the claim. You provide the source, without complaining. That's how it works.
/r/PurplePillDebate06/08/26 06:51 PM
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The opportunity defecit is offset by the libido gap. Women might get many more opportunities, but a lot of women aren't interested in sex most of the time.
/r/PurplePillDebate06/08/26 06:48 PM
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I just hate it when people generalise billions of humans with pithy one-line statements like "not every man, but always a man" or "AWALT". Is it really that hard to use the word "some" when speaking about sections of huge groups? Eg some women do x, or some men are y.
/r/PurplePillDebate05/08/26 10:52 PM
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I'm the same. Rarely have any trouble with women IRL, and I've had a couple of good friends who are women.
/r/PurplePillDebate05/08/26 10:47 PM
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Sure. I'm progressive in most ways, but I'm all too easily tempted into tit-for-tat bickering by misandrists.
/r/PurplePillDebate05/08/26 10:44 PM
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Anybody who describes 50% of people as parasites is not worth listening to. My own personal opinion is that both genders built society. I disagree with red pillers who say men created our world alone, and I've got no time for feminists who claim that women weren't allowed to take part in the evolution of humankind because they were too oppressed.
/r/PurplePillDebate05/08/26 09:49 PM
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Men don't tend to make the "men build and maintain society" argument until a woman trots out old "women don't need men anymore" line.
/r/PurplePillDebate05/08/26 08:49 PM
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Sorry, I'll dumb it down for you: U BIG STOOPID
/r/PurplePillDebate05/08/26 06:42 PM
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Have you given me your number opinion? No. Next time, don't make it so obvious, and I might give you the time of day. Maybe. Anyway, I'll let you get back to shooting animals, being openly racist, saying your prayers and paying $100k for getting ill.
/r/PurplePillDebate05/08/26 06:07 PM
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It means Yank detected, opinion rejected.
/r/PurplePillDebate05/08/26 05:49 PM
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I was taking the piss out of you, cretin. Let me guess, American?
/r/PurplePillDebate05/08/26 05:45 PM
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Why do you care why he cares? No one is interested in what you care about anyway.
/r/PurplePillDebate05/08/26 05:40 PM
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Maybe the other party should contribute then.
/r/PurplePillDebate05/08/26 08:35 AM
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people frequently misinterpret data about IPV, but when they say lesbians and bi women are more likely to be lieftime IPV victims Speculation, your honour. Besides, this has got to be a troll post. I read you arguing with someone earlier; they pissed you off; you come here to gloat about men's decline.
/r/PurplePillDebate05/08/26 08:14 AM
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It'd be a dumb quote if it had the word every before man and woman.
/r/PurplePillDebate05/08/26 05:33 AM
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Also, have you never seen compilation videos of babies reacting when their dad shaves his beard? The rest of your comment is fine, but this part is ridiculous. Babies also shit their pants and vomit on people; does that mean we should accept a similar lack of self-control from adults?
/r/PurplePillDebate04/08/26 11:01 PM
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Yep. Not a single man on earth has ever thought, "I want to marry her, but I'm not that bothered about having sex with her". Unless you count arranged marriages, obviously.
/r/PurplePillDebate04/08/26 07:59 PM
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That's nothing to do with what OP said.
/r/PurplePillDebate04/08/26 06:16 PM
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As a man, even a middle aged one, it's rare that I've not wanted sex. The only thing that tends to put me off is the pressure to perform. Obviously, some men don't give a shit, but not all of us. Having to do complex sums in my head, or forcing myself to think of disgusting things in order to delay "arrival" isn't much fun. A lot of women assume that for men sex is always spectacular, but when you feel like you're being assessed and judged, it can become a chore. I'm not saying that's what you d…
/r/PurplePillDebate04/08/26 05:23 PM
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You're saying that a lot of women settle. You know this because their husbands told you so. The difference is that what I said is true and honest, and what you said is untrue and facetious. Do you ask clarifying questions or do you just accept the statement as is? Yes. Believe it or not, although I'm a man, I'm not insensitive and cruel, so I try to assuage their doubts. If they were new parents, or if she'd been ill, or was working a lot, or had been through some other stressful situation or ch…
/r/PurplePillDebate04/08/26 05:14 PM
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If you're in a relationship with someone, you should treat them as though they're a top woman/man, even if objectively they're not. I never said these women are "bitches". Those are your words, presumably because you want to portray me as a woman hater. What these women do is perfectly understandable. They don't want to be lonely, and they want the security of a relationship, so they make compromises they think they'll be able to tolerate. That doesn't make them bitches. A lot of them manage to …
/r/PurplePillDebate04/08/26 05:04 PM
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It doesn't quite work because their wives didn't tell you that all men are bi. If a woman tells you her husband has little sexual attraction for her, would you just believe her, or would you ask her husband to confirm?
/r/PurplePillDebate04/08/26 04:54 PM
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If your flair is true, and you are truly hypersexual, your relationships may have intrinsically different dynamics to those involving women with average libidos.
/r/PurplePillDebate04/08/26 03:00 PM
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From a man's POV. It's an old adage, but I think there's still truth in it: Women marry hoping her man will change. Men marry hoping his woman will never change.
/r/PurplePillDebate04/08/26 02:36 PM
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You'll only accept primary sources?
/r/PurplePillDebate04/08/26 02:19 PM
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If that's what my comment sounds like to you, then you need to go back to school or visit a mental health professional.
/r/PurplePillDebate04/08/26 02:10 PM
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Nobody's saying there's zero desire. It's just rather flimsy, so when other issues manifest in the relationship, even minor ones, the desire is easily killed.
/r/PurplePillDebate04/08/26 01:22 PM
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I assure you they do. I personally know several men who fit into this category, and most men will either be included, or they'll know someone who is.
/r/PurplePillDebate04/08/26 01:20 PM
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It's not the same. Women have 3 categories: 1) men they'd sleep with but not have a relationship with 2) men they don't truly desire who they'd have a relationship with but not casual sex 3) men who'd be acceptable for casual or LTR Men have just 2 categories: 1) women they'd sleep with but not have a relationship with 2) women who'd be acceptable for casual or LTR
/r/PurplePillDebate04/08/26 09:51 AM
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But your first reply was about women who criticise men being criticised by men in return. That's what I responded to.
/r/PurplePillDebate04/08/26 05:30 AM
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Explain why it's relevant. You started off by saying women who hate on men then get hated on in return and feel upset about it. Then you posted stuff about women being more harshly judged. What's the connection.
/r/PurplePillDebate03/08/26 10:28 PM
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It has nothing to do with what we were originally discussing. I might as well start arguing for the virtues of vegetarianism; I'm sure I can find studies and articles to back it up. But I won't, because it's irrelevant to the topic at hand.
/r/PurplePillDebate03/08/26 09:55 PM
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They're useless because they've been instantly dismissed and are irrelevant to the topic being discussed.
/r/PurplePillDebate03/08/26 07:10 PM
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What are you saying "nope" to? I've not even disagreed with the irrelevant point you were making, mainly because I don't care enough to look into it. All I said is that your sources are shit.
/r/PurplePillDebate03/08/26 06:24 PM
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I'm not claiming the contrary. I have no idea whether or not your assertions are correct and would need to see better sources to come to a conclusion.
/r/PurplePillDebate03/08/26 05:50 PM
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I'm not making a claim.
/r/PurplePillDebate03/08/26 05:41 PM
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First link - 457 participants - useless Second link - The Guardian (basically a left wing tabloid) - useless
/r/PurplePillDebate03/08/26 05:30 PM
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pick pocketing every pill and drink left unattended We used to call that minesweeping, when I was a lad.
/r/PurplePillDebate03/08/26 05:27 PM
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Also an upside: some of these hater women might learn to keep their hate to themselves.
/r/PurplePillDebate03/08/26 05:07 PM
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I'm not asking the men; I'm asking you because you keep plucking over the top scenarios out of the air. Men cause more physical damage with a slap than women do, generally. Even simply restraining an attacking woman is more likely to hurt her than anything she's doing.
/r/PurplePillDebate03/08/26 02:49 PM
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You said "hate". It's not a fact that men women. They just lived by the standards of the time. Everybody else lived like that. This is like saying that all white people hated all black people prior to emancipation.
/r/PurplePillDebate03/08/26 02:47 PM
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Retaliation can be self defence. If someone punches you once and then proceeds to hurl abuse at you while you're getting to your feet, that doesn't mean you can't hit them back when you've recovered. Punching them back can stop them from attacking you again. If a smaller person punches you on the shoulder, you are within your rights to punch them on shoulder too. Why jump straight to strangling? Your shove to knife attack point is silly. Obviously they're not getting away with stabbing someone o…
/r/PurplePillDebate03/08/26 02:33 PM
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For a start, saying men have hated women for millennia. The patriarchal system that enabled the subjugation of women was created by the rich, powerful and influential. Most men had no power and did not hate women. It sounds like you're basing your opinion on the Billy Zane character in Titanic, or Jane Austen novels. Apex fallacies should be banned on this sub.
/r/PurplePillDebate03/08/26 02:23 PM
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Jesus, what a shit-show. Sounds like they're being raised to be self-hating victims. A woman with such a strong anti-male attitude has no business raising 3 sons, and a few years down the line, you'll wish you'd got too grips with your misandry before they were born. Show me one misogynistic thing that I've said.
/r/PurplePillDebate03/08/26 01:08 PM
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You're the only one talking about fists. I never said men should be hitting women. But I also don't think it's wise to drum an attitude into a boy that he's fair game for physical assault. Telling him that no matter what he should never retaliate against someone who's smaller than him is ridiculous. He's 6' and has done a bit of wrestling at 16; he's not Francis Ngannou. There will be plenty of people out there smaller than him who can cause him serious harm. Even women. All they need is a knife…
/r/PurplePillDebate03/08/26 01:06 PM
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Women have always abused and hated men too. They were just never strong enough to subjugate them. It's such a shame that you have a son.
/r/PurplePillDebate03/08/26 12:35 PM
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Sounds like your son could easily end up being a non-reciprocal violence victim.
/r/PurplePillDebate03/08/26 12:32 PM
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Yes, but as I said, I'm not declaring serious complaints as propaganda and hate. I'm declaring misandristic memes and context-less rants as propaganda and hate.
/r/PurplePillDebate03/08/26 09:44 AM
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Describing your experiences is not propaganda. Saying "all men are trash" or the dozens of other anti-male memes without context is just as popular, though, and that is propaganda. And while it may not affect someone who's never had bad experiences, it can certainly influence young minds. I've spoken to a few young women on here who've admitted they've never had much to do with men, but they still have a bad opinion of them because of stuff they've seen online.
/r/PurplePillDebate03/08/26 09:29 AM
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I assure you that hating on men gets you hate from men, which such women find threatening and distressing Poor them. Haters getting hated is just a reminder that actions have consequences.
/r/PurplePillDebate03/08/26 09:26 AM
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Women initiate only slightly less domestic violence than men these days, and in relationships where there's only one violent party, it's more likely to be the woman. But because they are physically weak, they usually end up getting hurt more badly. Of course, violence between strangers is more likely to be male-led, but violence within relationships is far more common in any event. The old narrative of domineering man and meek woman is dying.
/r/PurplePillDebate03/08/26 09:20 AM
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men are saying it is hate against men if women remove themselves from dating men You're right; it's not hate against men to decentre them and separate your lives from theirs. But it is hate against men to try to convince other women to do the same by spamming anti-male propaganda online. These 4b-type women are really no better than the MGTOW men who claim they're leaving women behind yet spend all day sharing misogynistic memes and rants. If a woman or man has been hurt by someone of the opposi…
/r/PurplePillDebate03/08/26 09:03 AM
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A considerable number of people of both genders actually want to be with someone because they're benefiting from the relationship in a transactional fashion. For women it's usually money; for men it's usually sex. It's not particularly romantic, and it doesn't usually end well.
/r/PurplePillDebate02/08/26 07:23 PM
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Most visible guys.
/r/PurplePillDebate02/08/26 07:12 PM
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Some people don't want to live with roommates, and even those who enjoy it don't want to live like that forever. Contrary to claims on this (autistic-dominated) sub, most women and men want to live with a partner at some point.
/r/PurplePillDebate02/08/26 07:09 PM
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Women don’t need men for that shit How many women do you know who own their own place and live alone? That's what most people in the West want, and it's virtually impossible for young people to do it solo these days, unless you have wealthy parents. The richer the man is, the nicer their home will be. Yes, most women work these days, so yes, they can rent some tiny apartment somewhere in the rough part of town on their own, but is that what they want?
/r/PurplePillDebate02/08/26 06:42 PM
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They were ovulating at first, and afterwards they were pre-menstrual. 9 times out of 10, when a woman does something that makes no sense, her hormones will be to blame.
/r/PurplePillDebate02/08/26 12:14 AM
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We wear shorts for ourselves.
/r/PurplePillDebate01/08/26 11:56 PM
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Teachers are human, yes, and they are usually women and feminist. Certain elements within feminism are antagonistic towards males, and I think that's more likely to be the reason. The more intelligent boys are generally just as well behaved as girls. Men are more in danger than women. More men are murdered. More men are violently assaulted. More men are robbed. More men are involved in serious accidents. If you include prison statistics, more men get raped. This is all very well documented; it i…
/r/PurplePillDebate01/08/26 11:32 PM
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Similar to how when a man lusts after a woman due to her appearance, he's dehumanising her. But when a woman lusts after a man due to his status, she's just fantasising.
/r/PurplePillDebate01/08/26 01:40 PM
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Fair enough. But more generally, my point stands: expecting men to be manly reinforces the patriarchy.
/r/PurplePillDebate01/08/26 01:35 PM
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Discrimination is treating someone differently from others based on characteristics like race, age, sexuality, disability and gender. It is textbook discrimination. Preference and discrimination are not mutually exclusive; in fact, they are very similar. One just "sounds" bad, and the other doesn't.
/r/PurplePillDebate01/08/26 01:02 PM
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This is a good answer, if you're prepared to ignore centuries of cultural history. Accusations of male homosexuality have far more baggage and stigma than lesbianism does. The act of gay sex between men was named after a city supposedly burned to its foundations by "god", and it was illegal even in the west well into last century. Nowadays, women are more likely to be openly homosexual or bisexual, and they're more prone to discriminating against bi men in a dating context.
/r/PurplePillDebate01/08/26 12:32 PM
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Also, how does asking someone if they are gay support the patriarchy? Expecting men to behave in a certain fashion means more of them will act like that. If that certain fashion is traditionally masculine (the ability to drink lots of alcohol has long been associated with manliness, and dating usually requires a degree of assertiveness that's also seen as manly), you run the risk of encouraging toxic masculinity, which is essentially masculinity taken too far due to intra-male competitiveness. T…
/r/PurplePillDebate01/08/26 11:15 AM
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Did you not read my post? Boys get worse marks for the exact same work. Their tests are marked lower than girls, regardless of their behaviour. Do you think someone marking tests takes behaviour into account? No, they only consider 2 variables: (1) the accuracy of the answer; (2) the gender of the child being tested. Men aren't in equal danger as women; they're in more danger than women. Statistics tell us that men are more likely to die from violence, illness, accident and suicide. On any given…
/r/PurplePillDebate31/07/26 11:25 PM
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And don’t try to call me homophobic, I’m following OPs words to their natural conclusion If OP told you to jump off a cliff, would you do so? Following someone's to their natural conclusion words is no excuse for bigotry.
/r/PurplePillDebate31/07/26 10:58 AM
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Such women prefer the way women look, they prefer how women act, they prefer how women treat other people and they wish men would act like women in relationships. They are effectively lesbians, and they'd be much happier if they dropped the act.
/r/PurplePillDebate31/07/26 10:48 AM
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I wanted to know if you're so gripped by this whole thing that you think all the men who struggle getting women are abhorrent and predatory. Because, believe it or not, out there in the real world, that's a pretty extreme position. As for projection, if I was writing variations of the same post every single day for several years, then yes, I'd be in need of a reality check, and suggesting you need to touch grass would be projecting. But there's only one person on this sub who behaves like you, L…
/r/PurplePillDebate30/07/26 10:42 PM
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I asked because I wanted to know how far gone you are. You can be cynical if you want, but I truly think you'd benefit from a break from all of this pillosphere nonsense.
/r/PurplePillDebate30/07/26 09:09 PM
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I didn't make an argument, and I'm not trying to insult you. Genuinely, I think you need to take a break from your online content of choice.
/r/PurplePillDebate30/07/26 06:56 PM
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This may be stating the obvious, but I think you need to go outside a bit more.
/r/PurplePillDebate30/07/26 06:49 PM
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What are the chances of that?
/r/PurplePillDebate30/07/26 06:12 PM
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The person you replied to said "I know a few guys that struggle with women... they're awkward, anxious, boring, and below average in looks", and your response to that was "they're average looking for their area, it's just they're abhorrent and predatory". Do you truly believe that men who struggle with women are all abhorrent and predatory?
/r/PurplePillDebate30/07/26 04:10 PM
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So how many industries has Mamdani nationalised? From which rich people has he confiscated land and assets? And no, I don't mean increasing taxes; I mean actual wholesale reappropriation.
/r/PurplePillDebate30/07/26 03:08 PM
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Communist What does this word mean to you?
/r/PurplePillDebate30/07/26 12:45 PM
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leftist drivel Traditional leftism is very much not woke. For example, socialism has historically been anti-immigration due to wage suppression. Leftism is about economics and class; it has nothing to do with identity politics as a whole.
/r/PurplePillDebate30/07/26 12:44 PM
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If a giant asteroid was on course to hit Earth, the relevant experts would model the likely outcome using scientific knowledge. Birth replacement is insufficient, so the relevant experts are modeling the likely outcome. Just like when scientists indicate that, at the current rate of increase, temperatures will be x degrees higher in 2050, which will cause y and z. Weather forecasts are hypothetical, but we still listen to them.
/r/PurplePillDebate29/07/26 11:45 PM
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It's not happened before. But that doesn't mean it can never happen. Climate change hasn't happened to this extent while humans have existed, but guess what, it's happening now. Pre 1914, there had never been a world war killing tens of millions, but it still happened. Up until 1945, nobody had ever developed a weapon that could destroy a major city. Then somebody did, and two major cities got destroyed. The whole basis of your argument is "it's not happened before, so it can never happen in the…
/r/PurplePillDebate29/07/26 11:35 PM
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I don't care too much about population decline because climate change or WW3 will get us first, but you're either trolling or severely deluded if you don't think population decline can be disastrous. Most major industries would collapse, infrastructure would fail, banks would go bust, the stock market would crash, businesses would close en masse, bankruptcy would be commonplace, people would lose their houses, savings and pensions, crime would explode, and we'd all be fucked.
/r/PurplePillDebate29/07/26 11:18 PM
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India's female population is roughly 0.75 billion. The ask Indian women sub has 442,000 visitors, and we have no way or knowing whether they're Indian residents or Indian expats; they could e neither. Even if every single one is an Indian woman living in India, that's still just 0.05% of the Indian female population. So no, it's probably not a good idea to go to that sub to see what Indian women think.
/r/PurplePillDebate29/07/26 11:07 PM
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First of all, if a rich man pretended to be progressive but refused to date a poor woman, I'd call him a hypocrite. Just as I would with a woman. This may be common, but that doesn't make it right. Besides, although you're probably correct about a lot of men in said situation, I doubt it's as prevalent as it is with women. There are still a lot of men who simply don't care about their woman's income; there are very few women who could honestly say the same. Also, there's a big difference between…
/r/PurplePillDebate29/07/26 01:44 PM
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I'd need to be guaranteed a harem of the world's most beautiful women to make being friends with a club promoter worth it.
/r/PurplePillDebate29/07/26 10:33 AM
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Which opposition was Karl Marx trying to control?
/r/PurplePillDebate29/07/26 10:15 AM
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OP doesn't say women should be dating homeless rentboys, though. Equating "women shouldn't expect to date rich men" to "well, men don't date homeless prostitutes" is a ridiculous stretch.
/r/PurplePillDebate29/07/26 09:56 AM
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homeless prostitute Reductio ad absurdum
/r/PurplePillDebate29/07/26 09:00 AM
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And he tried to shoehorn Madonna-Whore Complex, which is more specific and pathological than dual mating, into the piece.
/r/PurplePillDebate28/07/26 10:26 PM
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I know it's not about women's dual mating strategy. I was saying the phenomenon OP tried to pass of as MWC - putting women into 2 categories - is a dual mating strategy for men.
/r/PurplePillDebate28/07/26 05:13 PM
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Yes. But in the manner I described, not in the way OP tells it. It's not common either. While it's as not ridiculous as the Oedipus Complex, it's still pretty silly. Although Freud had some groundbreaking ideas, he also had a few duds.
/r/PurplePillDebate28/07/26 05:06 PM
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For the millionth time, that's not what Madonna-Whore Complex is. MWC doesn't involve 2 categories of women. It's about a man's perception of his woman changing when she has children (or permanently commits to him in general). The same woman stops being a whore that he wants to have sex with and becomes a paragon of virtue for whom he has far more respect and admiration but far less desire. Splitting women into 2 categories, one for sex and one for relationships, is just a dual mating strategy.
/r/PurplePillDebate28/07/26 04:45 PM
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Perhaps. People automatically like attractive people, so if women all find each other attractive, they'll be more likely to get on.
/r/PurplePillDebate27/07/26 10:49 PM
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The reality I go on to describe in the next couple of paragraphs. Widespread phenomena usually do serve a purpose of some sort, or if not, there's an explanation. If it was just a few women like you, maybe not. But when it's most women, literally billions of individuals around the world, that can't just be coincidence.
/r/PurplePillDebate27/07/26 10:17 PM
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I can grasp the concept, yes. This reality of yours is just odd, that's all. There's obviously a biological reason for men finding most women attractive: they can get lots of women pregnant in a short period of time, and historically they were in more danger of imminent death so needed to spread their seed as much as possible while they had the chance. And there's a reason for men finding fewer men attractive: they need to identify one who'll be strong enough and competent enough to protect and …
/r/PurplePillDebate27/07/26 08:11 PM
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What about lesbians? Do they find most women attractive?
/r/PurplePillDebate27/07/26 07:57 PM
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Do you think all women find most women attractive?
/r/PurplePillDebate27/07/26 07:52 PM
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The person I replied to said "most women". Zendaya doesn't do much for me, but she's definitely not "most women" by any stretch of the imagination.
/r/PurplePillDebate27/07/26 07:19 PM
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You're getting me mixed up with somebody else.
/r/PurplePillDebate27/07/26 06:52 PM
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The original comment has now been deleted, but the guy was talking about men with truly ugly women, so I was drawing a parallel with that, rather than the "not everyone's cup of tea" type we were talking about a few days ago. There are women with men that most of their friends don't find attractive but they're obsessed with, and there are women with men who nobody including them find attractive. The first category is definitely bigger, though.
/r/PurplePillDebate27/07/26 06:28 PM
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You're moving the goalposts from "finding attractive" to thinking they're beautiful.
/r/PurplePillDebate27/07/26 06:07 PM
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I don't think any men are attractive. I find women attractive because I'm straight. That's the way it works.
/r/PurplePillDebate27/07/26 05:41 PM
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We were talking about a specific subset of women: those with an unattractive man. There are plenty of women with attractive men, and I'm sure they actually like the person they're with. I bet some of the ones who settle like the man they're with too.
/r/PurplePillDebate27/07/26 05:38 PM
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If that's what you think, you're probably a lesbian. It's okay to be gay nowadays, you know.
/r/PurplePillDebate27/07/26 05:25 PM
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There's nothing superficial or awful about not wanting to be lonely. Being alone is horrible for a lot of people, and it's perfectly logical to accept reality and pursue the least worst option. The problem is when the woman (or man - this may be more common amongst women, but it's by no means unheard of amongst men) resents her partner and makes it obvious she's settled for him. But as long as that doesn't happen, I wouldn't say her choice was "wrong".
/r/PurplePillDebate27/07/26 05:22 PM
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That's because she settled for him. Because, contrary to the prevailing narrative on this sub, a lot of women don't like being alone. They'd rather be in a relationship with an imperfect man they're not really into than be single.
/r/PurplePillDebate27/07/26 05:04 PM
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Roster indicates multiple items.
/r/PurplePillDebate27/07/26 07:45 AM
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That first statistic you brought up is utterly horrifying That study has been debunked.
/r/PurplePillDebate26/07/26 11:38 PM
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Would you consider approaching someone you don't know to be coercion? Because that study (of a massive 60-odd people) considers approaching someone you don't know to be coercion.
/r/PurplePillDebate26/07/26 11:36 PM
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Which is appalling enough on its own, and if it was a decent sized sample (it had only 60-odd male respondents, IIRC) it would be cause for concern. But why do shitstirrers radical feminists try to use the study to claim that 95% of men are sexually coercive? Do they truly believe that approaching someone you don't know is coercive? Or are they willing to use any trick to push their narrative and drive division?
/r/PurplePillDebate26/07/26 11:26 PM
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That's the study that classes approaching a woman you don't know, asking a female friend to introduce you, and using money and status to impress as forms of coercion. I've seen some shite posted on here by both blue and red pill, but that study is possibly the most ridiculous and dishonest basis for an argument I've encountered. Anyone who actually reads and then endorses its value is an imbecile at best and a troll at worst.
/r/PurplePillDebate26/07/26 10:35 PM
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You make being a human guinea pig sound like such an honour. Do you realise that it can actually sometimes be dangerous to have drugs tested on you? Drug tests were never done on children either; do you think that's because society is anti-children? Or is it not more likely that, as usual, women and children were coddled? I didn't say you need to want to be pregnant to care about pregnancy. I asked why she was. With most people, I'd assume it was for altruistic reasons, but with some people, tha…
/r/PurplePillDebate26/07/26 04:26 PM
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So what should they have done with the dose? I didn't say you had to be pregnant to have an investment in pregnancy. I didn't bring up how men have it worse. I retiree the idea that women have it worse. If someone's unjustifiably paranoid, you don't enable them by pretending their delusions are real.
/r/PurplePillDebate26/07/26 03:48 PM
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I didn't say small men = average size woman. I said drug doses are calibrated for small men and average-sized women. For large men, the recommended dose of, say, paracetamol is virtually double the recommended amount. For average men, it's about 1.5x. Yet the recommended dose remains low to protect women. Why are you so invested in pregnancy if it doesn't affect you? Are there any male-exclusive issues you're interested in, or is it only women-exclusive problems you care about? I listened to her…
/r/PurplePillDebate26/07/26 03:39 PM
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You said "women don't want kids". That isn't true, because some do. If you said some women, then fair enough, but you didn't. You went for shock value so you could have a big rant. I hope you've got it off your chest now.
/r/PurplePillDebate26/07/26 02:05 PM
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Most women do want kids. You don't, which you know deep down is atypical, so you try to normalise it by pretending you are typical, and all women are like you. Then you rationalise it by making men the villains. Just accept you're not maternal, stop hating yourself for it, and stop projecting that hatred onto men.
/r/PurplePillDebate26/07/26 01:21 PM
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What about pensions? Not everyone is lucky enough to be born into the American upper middle class, you know.
/r/PurplePillDebate26/07/26 12:54 PM
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Dosage of any drug - not at all. Dosages are always catered to small men and average sized women. Diagnosis - not at all. Screening programs exist for breast cancer, cervical cancer and I believe ovarian will be introduced soon. No male specific illnesses are automatically screened. Funding - absolutely not. Breast cancer alone dwarfs everything male specific. Let me guess, you're going to pull the baldness treatment "stat" out of your arse. Well, don't bother. Like impotence, it's funded privat…
/r/PurplePillDebate26/07/26 12:51 PM
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The big picture is healthcare in general, not pregnancy related healthcare. What you could've said, if you weren't determined to be biased and hold onto victimhood with all your might, is that "women's healthcare is now superior to men's in all but one area: pregnancy". That would still support your argument, and it wouldn't make you look blinkered and bitter, like your references to healthcare 50 years ago. Of course, biased and blinkered is kinda your thing, so I'm not exactly holding my breat…
/r/PurplePillDebate26/07/26 12:35 PM
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You started talking about women's medical care in general first. If you don't want someone to expose the weakness of an argument, don't make that argument.
/r/PurplePillDebate26/07/26 12:23 PM
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I didn't say women's healthcare is perfect. I merely said that in some ways it's better than men's, especially mentally. Nor did I claim women are rich everywhere, just that poverty is not gendered. Women might be more financially constrained and dependent in some places, but men are far more likely to end up homeless or be forced into crime, so neither side has it truly better. At no point did I say women don't lie about their issues. They feel they're getting the shitty end of the stick, so th…
/r/PurplePillDebate26/07/26 11:49 AM
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I think for women as a whole work is a novelty and a lesser evil. Not for them personally, because most will have worked all of their lives, but generationally. Their mothers and grandmothers tell them they're lucky they can go out to work; they tell them horror stories about alcoholic, abusive (often shell-shocked from Vietnam or WW2, to be fair) men, and the expectation to have 5 kids or more. Men have been working for more powerful men for centuries, unabated. Unless we're wealthy or work for…
/r/PurplePillDebate26/07/26 11:35 AM
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Who said that we need to maintain that number or that we need to increase it? Unless the plan is for everyone to off themselves when they get old, we need people to look after the elderly and pay their pensions. I'm no fan of overpopulation, but managing it isn't as simple as just turning off the tap. Women are not studied More research money is spent on breast cancer than all male specific cancers combined. Then you've got uterine cancer, ovarian, cervical... In the past, female healthcare was …
/r/PurplePillDebate26/07/26 10:58 AM
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Women work too. Except they don't use it as an excuse to avoid doing anything at home Some of them do. There are plenty of mothers who've never cooked a meal and give their toddlers iPads so they can spend all day on Instagram. Your algorithm doesn't tell you that, though, because it knows you'll click on man-hating stuff like an obedient little sheep. No one cares about your personal experiences I don't expect them to "care"; I'm just refuting your bullshit. You choose to live in a place that's…
/r/PurplePillDebate26/07/26 10:47 AM
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Childcare is boring, unpaid work, which is why men try to delegate it to the nearest woman at every turn Do you think it's any more boring than working on an assembly line? Or in a call centre, or as a bricklayer? I did more practical care of my now adult children than my wife, and I assure you that spending time raising my children was far more fun and more fulfilling than "adding value" for my corporate overlord. Even when my kids were little, I'd rather be wiping shitty arses and sterilising …
/r/PurplePillDebate26/07/26 09:50 AM
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Men have a roster A tiny fraction of men, ~1%, are attractive enough to have a "roster". This is another case of apex fallacy.
/r/PurplePillDebate25/07/26 08:58 PM
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Most men acknowledge that some of us are very, very bad. Most women don't acknowledge that some of them are very, very bad. Science has proven that in-group bias is far stronger amongst women, and that intra-sex competition is far more prevalent amongst men.
/r/PurplePillDebate25/07/26 04:20 PM
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But sure, keep pretending it's about "morality." Most men don't bother with the moral angle nowadays. It's the correlation between promiscuity and high divorce rates that gets pushed most of the time.
/r/PurplePillDebate25/07/26 02:38 PM
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A lot of men were already pissed off with women, so it appealed to them. Men naturally compete with other men; some men don't care about screwing over other men if they feel it benefits them. Just like a lot of people were already racist, so Trump appealed to them, and some people hate everyone, so evangelical Christianity appeals to them.
/r/PurplePillDebate25/07/26 01:10 PM
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Nice meals
/r/PurplePillDebate25/07/26 12:21 PM
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I've been with my wife for 23 years. She was my first girlfriend, too. I could count the romantic gestures from her on one hand, and I don't think I've ever spoken to a man who's had much more than that.
/r/PurplePillDebate25/07/26 11:57 AM
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Most of them have died since I made the comment you replied to, but no, most men don't want to remove women's rights. You need to change your algorithm, if that's the message you're getting.
/r/PurplePillDebate25/07/26 11:14 AM
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Your grandmother—and maybe even your mother We're not talking about the past; we're talking about now. Women are still disproportionately victims of sexual violence, still have to consider their physical safety in ways men usually don't Men are far more likely to be victims of violence overall. How many times have you been hospitalised by physical attacks? It's 4 times for me, and I'm a big, strong bloke. Most of the bones in my face have been broken, and I almost died at one point. Plus there h…
/r/PurplePillDebate24/07/26 05:19 PM
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I disagree with a lot of the red pill stuff, but with regards to leverage, I believe the way they see it is that blue pill tactics give all of the leverage to women, so if one side's going to have leverage, they'd rather it be the men. A middle ground would, of course, be better, but it's highly unlikely for the average man to enter a relationship where a power dynamic isn't working against him.
/r/PurplePillDebate24/07/26 12:33 PM
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Who's upholding toxic masculinity?
/r/PurplePillDebate24/07/26 11:20 AM
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You don't need to be systemically oppressed to be mistreated. Involuntarily being born as a man doesn't make one a valid target for animosity. Discrimination based on immutable characteristics is inherently unfair.
/r/PurplePillDebate24/07/26 10:23 AM
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You can do this with any prejudice or bigotry. Is it antisemitism or lived experience? Is he a misogynist or have women treated him badly? Does she hate black people or has she had bad experiences with them in the past?
/r/PurplePillDebate23/07/26 09:12 PM
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That's insane. Where do they get these ideas from?
/r/PurplePillDebate22/07/26 08:42 PM
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Come to think of it, you're right. I have seen men claiming stuff like that. They're idiots.
/r/PurplePillDebate22/07/26 07:42 PM
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The previous poster said men get their conclusions about women liking attractive men from the manosphere. The 2 + 2 bit was me saying men can work it out for themselves by looking at the world around themselves.
/r/PurplePillDebate22/07/26 07:17 PM
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Looks are part of attraction. They're not the be-all end-all, but they're pretty important. And yes, different women have different types. But within those types, some men are more attractive than others - partly because they're better looking - and women will understandably be more likely to go for the more attractive ones.
/r/PurplePillDebate22/07/26 06:33 PM
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I've never seen a man say he can detect promiscuity. The only reason we know about it is because, for reasons unknown, some women think it's a good idea to tell us. Face filler, maybe, but that's purely a visual thing. If you're not rich enough to afford a top class surgeon, it's not going to be perfect. The high divorce rate has a number of causes. Some women not being "good" is one of them, but I reckon women settling for men they're not really into is much more impactful. Like Chris Rock said…
/r/PurplePillDebate22/07/26 06:01 PM
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But if their automatic response is "looks" because of their believing manosphere content What if their automatic response is "looks" because men are frequently being told by women that looks are a major factor? On this sub, we're constantly hammered with "Duh! Are you stupid? Obviously women only date men they're attracted to. How do you expect us to date men we're not attracted to? Why did you ever think that women weren't interested in looks? Are you stupid? Duh!" Unattractive men see women wi…
/r/PurplePillDebate22/07/26 05:49 PM
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superpowers to detect bad personalities in men Their powers are limited. Seemingly, they only detect men who say misogynistic things online, or men who object to misandry. Serial killers, sex pests, narcissists, prolific adulterers... No. It's a highly-specific skill. Extremely useful if you want a man who's happy to he compared to wild animals, but less valuable if you want a man who doesn't act like a wild animal.
/r/PurplePillDebate22/07/26 05:27 PM
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I'd refute that point, but I don't understand it.
/r/PurplePillDebate21/07/26 10:53 PM
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Most of the sub - and the real world - disagrees, unfortunately. That's why we're constantly being told that "most women are beautiful, but most men are ugly" and that there's a "chopped epidemic". Nobody's talking about arousal and masturbation. We were discussing one person in particular, who said he's not attractive to women, but he didn't say why. Rather than asking him to clarify, you assumed he was claiming women aren't attracted to good men and accused him of misogyny. Which is the sort o…
/r/PurplePillDebate21/07/26 10:52 PM
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Playing fast and loose with the word "evidence" there, Lillth.
/r/PurplePillDebate21/07/26 10:29 PM
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As we are repeatedly told on this sub, women want attractive men, and attraction is non-negotiable. If he's unattractive, it doesn't matter how good or honest he is. If you think acknowledging this is misogynistic, there are a lot of bluepillers and feminists who tactlessly remind the less attractive among us of this harsh reality every single day. Maybe you could start calling them out too.
/r/PurplePillDebate21/07/26 10:03 PM
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But he didn't even say "women don't like good honest men". He said women don't go for men like him.
/r/PurplePillDebate21/07/26 07:22 PM
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it’s misogynistic to claim that women don’t like honest good men It's misogynistic to claim that all women don't like honest good men. Besides, he didn't say any women don't like honest good men. He said he's not the kind of man women want to date, but he doesn't say why. Why have you claimed he said something he didn't?
/r/PurplePillDebate21/07/26 06:46 PM
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Agreed. Equality goes both ways, the good and the bad.
/r/PurplePillDebate20/07/26 07:36 PM
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If a man and a woman with matching criminal records and identical mitigating/aggravating factors both commit the same crime, the man's sentence will be harsher by approximately 30% on average.
/r/PurplePillDebate20/07/26 07:19 PM
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OK. Good luck with your BF. I'm in a good mood at the moment so won't be partaking in the debate.
/r/PurplePillDebate20/07/26 05:22 PM
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OK. Well, I hope things improve. Look after yourself.
/r/PurplePillDebate20/07/26 05:19 PM
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So you assumed all men your age were like that because one of them was?
/r/PurplePillDebate20/07/26 05:00 PM
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Of course, but I've never seen them say it's because they're so small that they're undetectable.
/r/PurplePillDebate20/07/26 01:56 PM
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I know it can stretch a great deal, but what if it's starting capacity is a little bit larger than usual? So even when it's at its minimum size, it's still a bit... slack. I've been with my wife for over 23 years now, so I can't really remember too much about other women.
/r/PurplePillDebate20/07/26 01:49 PM
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I've never seen a man say they can't feel breasts that are below a certain size, so I think we're comparing bananas and melons here.
/r/PurplePillDebate20/07/26 01:44 PM
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Is that a common side effect?
/r/PurplePillDebate20/07/26 01:40 PM
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I didn't mention myself. I'm above average anyway, but thanks for your concern.
/r/PurplePillDebate20/07/26 01:35 PM
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RP and RP-adjacent men usually have listened to women at some point, but they've not been told the truth so have stopped believing what they're told.
/r/PurplePillDebate20/07/26 01:26 PM
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I read somewhere that size queens prefer large genitalia because they're overly-roomy down there. If this is true, is it not a "self-own" to insist on above average members? Maybe a regime of pelvic floor exercises would fix the issue.
/r/PurplePillDebate20/07/26 01:22 PM
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I'm against big age gaps if one side is particularly young. I know 2 couples that started with a 16 year old girl (legal in the UK, but only just) and a 30 year old man; they're 20 - 25 years older now. One couple is fairly normal, apart from him looking old enough to be her dad, but with the other, the man is a bit of tyrant. Not physically abusive, but very controlling. While she seems to be happy, it's obvious he's conditioned her to be submissive to him. What he says goes, with no exceptions…
/r/PurplePillDebate19/07/26 08:23 PM
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Women get ~25% lower criminal sentences than men, for the same crime with the same criminal record. British feminists continue to push for more disparity, with some calling for a complete end to imprisonment for women. As mentioned by OP, identical work is marked lower for boys at school in the UK. Schools and education in general are heavily female dominated. Men in Ukraine are not permitted to flee the country; women are. Norway's feminist government reinforced this by barring male Ukraine ref…
/r/PurplePillDebate19/07/26 01:29 PM
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What a shit-show; sorry to hear it. I assume your current fella is better in that regard?
/r/PurplePillDebate19/07/26 01:10 PM
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How does it even become so entrenched in a relationship? Back when she wasn't working due to having our kids, my wife would've crucified me if I didn't help out when I got back from work. Are American women just generally meeker?
/r/PurplePillDebate19/07/26 12:22 PM
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No wonder he's your ex. Why is the US (I'm assuming that's where you're from) so regressive in this sense? Over here, we had the "new man" phenomenon about 30 years ago. Even my dad, who worked 5x as many hours as my mum, in a demanding and stressful job, started doing a bit of cooking. These days, it's perfectly normal for men to do their fair share of housework. But so many Americans still act like they're in the 60s, except with the woman working.
/r/PurplePillDebate19/07/26 12:18 PM
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Your socioeconomic class? I'm working class, and we've never not had at least a washer. Maybe it's a location thing, because even unemployed people permanently on benefits have them here. I get that there's more to it than remembering a date, but do you, or any woman for that matter, truly spend 240 minutes per week dealing with birthdays and medical appointments? It just smacks of competitive oppression to me. I do the majority of housework due to my wife's ill health, and I do more hours at wo…
/r/PurplePillDebate19/07/26 11:59 AM
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I didn't say "women would answer that way because they are autistic". I said PPD is an unreliable place to ask women questions about men because a disproportionate number of its female users are autistic. And that's not just questions about instant arousal; if you re-read my reply, you'll see I referred to other attitudes amongst women here. The males ones too, but he's not asking a question for men, so that's irrelevant.
/r/PurplePillDebate19/07/26 11:50 AM
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Do most people where you are use laundromats? It's pretty rare here. If so then obviously that's a different matter. My point is that the data on this is often unreliable, like the study that allocates 2 hours per week to making doctor's appointments and 2 hours per week to remembering birthdays.
/r/PurplePillDebate19/07/26 11:46 AM
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OK. I'm not sure why 75% of that post is addressed to me, though. It wasn't my OP. But you should know that it's unusual for a man to get an erection just from seeing a woman he finds attractive, so your point about getting wet and throbbing is moot. You may not be autistic, but having been on here, on and off, for the last 7 years, I can assure you that a disproportionate number of PPD women are autistic. Reddit in general is pretty "nerdy". The odds of anyone on the site being autistic are hig…
/r/PurplePillDebate19/07/26 11:18 AM
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I'm pretty sure when they include laundry, they count the time the clothes are in the washing machine/tumble dryer. As though they're supervising the appliance and not watching TV or on their phones.
/r/PurplePillDebate19/07/26 06:59 AM
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Don't forget the 2 hours per week they spend making doctor's appointments.
/r/PurplePillDebate19/07/26 06:52 AM
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Nor has anyone ever died due to the gender pay gap, or mansplaining, or slut-shaming, but that doesn't stop feminists complaining about it.
/r/PurplePillDebate19/07/26 12:20 AM
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Several points to make: A lot of men can't improve due to disability, poverty etc. Some women don't like "improved" men; they want a natural, not someone who's had to work on themselves. Men are judged on their performance , but they're also judged on their looks - as every woman on here will tell you - and personality. Obviously, it's easier to only have to qualify in two areas like women (looks and personality) rather than three like men. Everybody wants to be accepted for who they are. Being …
/r/PurplePillDebate19/07/26 12:07 AM
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They're like the people who say they're trying to lose weight, only to order a supersized Big Mac meal with Diet Coke.
/r/PurplePillDebate18/07/26 07:01 PM
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Some people love their kids unconditionally. You can deny that all you want, but I know it to be a fact.
/r/PurplePillDebate18/07/26 06:25 PM
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I'm sorry you've only seen bad examples of parenting. Everything is becoming clearer now.
/r/PurplePillDebate18/07/26 06:12 PM
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You don't have kids, do you?
/r/PurplePillDebate18/07/26 06:08 PM
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I didn't need to mirror and apply to my kids because my answer was implied by my "speak for yourself" comment. You read that answer, assumed I was talking about my parents, and then I told you I wasn't. So I'm not sure why you need me to answer again, but since I'm in a good mood: Yes. I would love my kids no matter what. Parents who actually love their kids will agree. They might hate what their child has done, but they'll still love the child.
/r/PurplePillDebate18/07/26 05:59 PM
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I don't know or care. I'm talking about my own kids.
/r/PurplePillDebate18/07/26 05:33 PM
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the issue is even parents don't feel this way for their children Speak for yourself.
/r/PurplePillDebate18/07/26 05:31 PM
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Why are you saying "nope"? I acknowledged and accepted your remarkable transformation from pick-me-pretty-please to cognitive dissonance exposer.
/r/PurplePillDebate18/07/26 05:23 PM
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If murder victims are being discussed, and someone said black men are disproportionately more likely to be killed, would you answer with, "But who's killing them? Other black people, right, so it's their fault"? No, of course you wouldn't. Because being racist is rightly frowned upon, and being misandristic is viewed neutrally at best.
/r/PurplePillDebate18/07/26 05:00 PM
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Ah, I see. So it wasn't just a bit of whataboutery, grasping at any straw available even if it's a pathetically biased study, just so you could don your shining armour and save the damsels of PPD in their hour of need. You were making a point about trusting studies. When did you make this switch from blue pill sychophant to enlightened pragmatist?
/r/PurplePillDebate18/07/26 04:56 PM
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No crickets from me. I've pointed out quite plainly how you hate men, just a couple of comments ago. If you honestly believe it's reasonable to claim a majority of 18-34 year old men are coercive based on an 86 participant study with a ludicrously low bar for coercion, then you hate men. No ifs, buts or maybes. I'm not interested in what somebody else said about compliments. Even if your only contribution to the sub was your OP about the least reliable study to ever be posted here, it would be s…
/r/PurplePillDebate18/07/26 03:39 PM
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Because you're a repeat offender. Recividism will always be judged more harshly. And your study, even by PPD standards, is painfully weak. Be honest - did you actually read it? Do you truly agree that approaching a stranger is a form of coercion? Or that having a female friend present is a form of coercion? Why do you allow women so little agency?
/r/PurplePillDebate18/07/26 03:27 PM
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OK, sorry. I'm autistic, so I'm not saying it a mean way. As you say, it's probably just a language thing. Even some of the women who have husbands dislike men in general, but they do like their husbands. It's weird, because if a man says "most women are shit, but I've got a good one", he's labeled a misogynist. When women say the inverse, nobody cares. However, there are some good women here. Not all of them automatically hate men.
/r/PurplePillDebate18/07/26 03:04 PM
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It's not a bad thing that you were keeping an open mind. But you've come to the worst possible place to ask questions like this. A lot of the women here hate men, and they probably feel guilty every time they find one attractive. With the greatest respect, are you autistic?
/r/PurplePillDebate18/07/26 02:52 PM
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If you were red pill, you wouldn't even be asking these questions. You'd already be convinced of the stuff red pill tells you.
/r/PurplePillDebate18/07/26 02:33 PM
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95% of 86 men between 18-34. How much internalised misandry do you need to have to generalise over a billion men based on the thoughts of 86 (eighty-six) men? Have you even read the study? It classes targeting someone you don't know as "coercive". Out of those 86 men, how many are guilty of the terrible offence of pursuing a stranger? I've seen some self-hating bullshit on here from BP men, but this has got to be the worst of the lot.
/r/PurplePillDebate18/07/26 02:22 PM
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So the point of your post is to persuade men they're wasting their time? If so, you're wasting your time. Barring hormonal issues, men will always chase women. You don't sound like red pill, by the way. You sound more like an extreme version of black pill. Red pill claims there are ways of making women extremely attracted to you, but you're saying that women are never attracted to men; they never think about them and certainly don't approach them. Also, you talk about a post you made on here yes…
/r/PurplePillDebate18/07/26 02:06 PM
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If you accepted reality, you'd be past the venting stage. Women can definitely be horny for men - I'm not a particularly attractive man, but I've had a couple in the past who were obsessed with me.
/r/PurplePillDebate18/07/26 01:38 PM
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You said they don't think about men. A woman doesn't have to approach men for her to be thinking about them. No offence, mate, but you'd be better off accepting reality rather than protesting against it. Said reality being that unless you're a celebrity, extremely attractive or very rich, women won't approach you. You can complain about fairness all you like, but it won't change anything. Either learn how to approach, or drink/take drugs to gain false confidence. If you were truly red pill, you'…
/r/PurplePillDebate18/07/26 01:11 PM
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It changes your post because it disagrees with it. Have you never heard of ovulation? For a few days, once in every 4 week cycle, all but the most frigid or man-hating of hetero women become interested in men, if they're not on birth control. My answer was a bit of a joke anyway. Many women like men, and some women are a little too into men.
/r/PurplePillDebate18/07/26 12:40 PM
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Think about men. Your OP said "women don't think about men", so when I answered with "they do", that's me saying "they do think about men". For a few days a month.
/r/PurplePillDebate18/07/26 10:19 AM
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Most of them do, for 2 - 3 days every month.
/r/PurplePillDebate18/07/26 06:26 AM
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Perhaps it's just the language and tone that's misleading. I've heard women talk about certain women (and men) so effusively, so enthusiastically that the natural inference is lust. Especially when it becomes more graphic and more focused on intimate body parts.
/r/PurplePillDebate17/07/26 11:02 PM
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Fair enough. I've been on and off for about 7 years, but your username didn't look familiar. Maybe just because it's generic. I knew She's a Carnival sounded familiar. I thought it was a bit weird for there to be another racist, Trump-loving, middle-aged woman who inexplicably types like a 10 year old.
/r/PurplePillDebate17/07/26 10:10 PM
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Democracy has only been commonplace for a tiny fraction of human history. Your opinions - and, no doubt, a good portion of your misandry - are based on a fleeting period of time in a limited number of places. There are countries like China that have existed for millennia without true democracy. Billions of human beings have lived under theocracies and absolutist monarchies, in which a handful had any power whatsoever. We should put your picture in encyclopedias next to the entry for "apex fallac…
/r/PurplePillDebate17/07/26 03:58 PM
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Which was also the case for 99% of men. 100% if you lived under a traditional feudalist monarchy. Were men victims of misogyny too?
/r/PurplePillDebate17/07/26 03:36 PM
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Men get ball-ache sometimes, but we volunteer for more because we actually like women.
/r/PurplePillDebate17/07/26 03:08 PM
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A lot of feminists agree with the historical angle, though. They love to bang on about how powerless, passive and meek women were in the past, like their knowledge of history is based on Jane Austen novels.
/r/PurplePillDebate17/07/26 02:38 PM
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When they talk lewdly about a stranger, yes. Unless they actually do want to fuck him/her there and then, which according to the women in this thread, virtually never happens.
/r/PurplePillDebate17/07/26 02:16 PM
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That must be the circles you frequent, because that's not typical male behaviour.
/r/PurplePillDebate17/07/26 02:14 PM
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Sure. It must be performative lust, then.
/r/PurplePillDebate17/07/26 11:35 AM
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Maybe some women express themselves weirdly, then. By saying, "I'd love to sit on her face" rather than "she's hot".
/r/PurplePillDebate17/07/26 11:34 AM
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I can do both. I don't tend to wax lyrical about how sexy a woman is unless I'm lusting after her, and even then, it's in my head. Because who wants to hear that?
/r/PurplePillDebate17/07/26 11:32 AM
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I didn't say anything was broken. Merely that I'll only assume a woman is lesbian if she bangs on about how gorgeous all women are and how ugly all men are. I'm not sure if you're on here much, but we hear that a lot.
/r/PurplePillDebate17/07/26 11:30 AM
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I only assume as much when women say they never instantly lust after men, but they do with women. The "90% of women are hot, 90% of men are ugly, but I'm still hetero" crowd who chime in from time to time.
/r/PurplePillDebate17/07/26 07:45 AM
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Nothing would surprise me at this stage.
/r/PurplePillDebate16/07/26 10:03 PM
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I know. That's why she doesn't know it happens.
/r/PurplePillDebate16/07/26 07:20 PM
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By "passionate", I meant besotted, intensely desirous and affectionate. Of course women can have different feelings for different men. But their strongest feelings should be reserved for their husband/life partner. Otherwise, what's the point?
/r/PurplePillDebate16/07/26 05:57 PM
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I was just answering your question; I don't ask women to do anything painful. Reluctance is an instant turn-off.
/r/PurplePillDebate16/07/26 05:53 PM
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I fucking knew it.
/r/PurplePillDebate16/07/26 05:22 PM
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The man she marries and settles down with should get the most passion, surely. Maybe not all the time because marriages have ups and downs, but it's a sorry state of affairs if the "one guy" she's not as passionate about is her husband.
/r/PurplePillDebate16/07/26 05:15 PM
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I managed to suppress them for about 17 years with my wife. She never suspected a thing and couldn't believe it when I eventually confessed. Some people, especially men, are extremely good at hiding their feelings.
/r/PurplePillDebate16/07/26 05:05 PM
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I don't make threats.
/r/PurplePillDebate16/07/26 05:02 PM
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Oh, I didn't realise you'd had sex with my wife before and knew how to get her off. Got any other tips? We've only been together for 23 years, but I'm sure you know best.
/r/PurplePillDebate16/07/26 05:01 PM
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I don't whine. I decide whether the situation is worth losing my wife and kids over, and I act accordingly.
/r/PurplePillDebate16/07/26 04:39 PM
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It's a good job that, like most men of a certain age, I've spent most of my life repressing my emotions. So a woman would never know I have such thoughts.
/r/PurplePillDebate16/07/26 04:36 PM
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What's the longest uninterrupted period of time you've spent performing cunnilingus? I broke my jaw years ago, and it always aches after 10 minutes or so. My wife doesn't know this, because if I told her, it would ruin her experience. Sometimes it only takes a minute, sometimes 30.
/r/PurplePillDebate16/07/26 04:34 PM
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Not necessarily. But with no other clues, that's what I would assume
/r/PurplePillDebate16/07/26 04:27 PM
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The fact she did it "for years". We've got very little else to go on. Her decision to make the next man wait could be because she wasn't happy with being a "fuck doll", but it could also be because she wasn't particularly attracted to the new man. If the "doll" relationship only lasted 6 months and she then waited 6 more for the new guy, I'd be inclined to think it was a traumatic relationship. But generally speaking, if someone mentions a relationship lasting years, I wouldn't presume it was ab…
/r/PurplePillDebate16/07/26 04:03 PM
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A woman who has different libidos with different partners is just as problematic. You can rationalise it with all the sympathetic language you want, but if she's consistently less intimate with one man than usual, she's not as passionate about said man. Trying to censor discussion about this by declaring it a "huge red flag" is misguided at best and malicious at worst.
/r/PurplePillDebate16/07/26 03:29 PM
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Male sacrifice is OK. Female sacrifice is not OK.
/r/PurplePillDebate16/07/26 03:15 PM
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Sounds like you're projecting someone you dislike onto OP, because he gives no indication any of that is the case.
/r/PurplePillDebate16/07/26 02:48 PM
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He doesn't mention she was a "fuck doll" against her will. The fact she talks about oral sex with her new man (digitally) in front of the ex she wouldn't have oral sex with suggests she's a bit fucked in the head. Of course, as you suggest, OP could be deliberately omitting details, like the "fuck doll" relationship being abusive, or filling in gaps with the least charitable explanation. But surely when we're being told someone's story, we should just take their word for it? What's the point of …
/r/PurplePillDebate16/07/26 02:43 PM
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When you get a top 1% badge here you also get a keyboard with keys that instantly print "entitled", "nobody owes you anything", "well the just leave", "it is your personality" I'm still working towards that honour. Mine's going to have the various fallacies hotkeyed onto it too.
/r/PurplePillDebate16/07/26 02:22 PM
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Still not made your mind up, I see. Either fairness is relevant (your second statement), or it's not (your first statement). Just admit you've contradicted yourself and you're arguing for the sake of it.
/r/PurplePillDebate15/07/26 11:53 PM
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The things they try to change benefit them once they're changed. Things that don't benefit them are just a case of, "sorry, sucks to be you I guess"
/r/PurplePillDebate15/07/26 11:50 PM
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liking someone isn’t based on fairness Liking people is unfair Make your mind up.
/r/PurplePillDebate15/07/26 11:38 PM
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If that's the case, how is "life's unfair" relevant to the topic at hand?
/r/PurplePillDebate15/07/26 11:24 PM
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That doesn't explain why a feminist, someone who wants the patriarchy overthrown because it's unfair, is willing to answer with "life's unfair - deal with it" when it's not her dealing with the unfairness.
/r/PurplePillDebate15/07/26 10:43 PM
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“Life is unfair” is the first lesson children have to learn If we're supposed to accept that life is unfair, why do feminists - or activists of any kind - try to change society for their own benefit?
/r/PurplePillDebate15/07/26 10:34 PM
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It's not called the Madonna-Whore Complex. MWC refers to a man who finds a specific woman attractive, but are then unable to view the same woman in a sexual context when they commit to each other, get married and have children. It's very rare, and it has nothing to do with any of what you said.
/r/PurplePillDebate15/07/26 03:42 PM
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If we do it enough, they'll just magically learn how to be an ideal partner and women will love them and they'll be happy Or they'll add themselves to the statistic that heavily favours men. The one that is usually answered with "but women attempt more!"
/r/PurplePillDebate14/07/26 07:00 PM
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The question isn't whether men are intrinsically more faithful; it's whether they are more faithful in practice.
/r/PurplePillDebate14/07/26 05:17 PM
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They were always the same until recently, when for the first time women cheated more in the 20 - 30 age bracket. There's no reason that won't be the case in the next generation, and there's no reason current twenty-something women will stop cheating in their 30s.
/r/PurplePillDebate14/07/26 05:15 PM
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The ones in their 20s will be in 30s soon, so women between the ages of 30 and 40 will be more likely to cheat too. Will the next generation of twenty-somethings be the same, with women more likely to cheat? Judging by how much easier it is for them to date and therefore cheat, the trend will probably continue. If I was going to bet money, in 40 years, it'll be higher cheating numbers for women across the board. Temptation is just a couple of swipes away now.
/r/PurplePillDebate14/07/26 04:24 PM
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Not below the age of 30.
/r/PurplePillDebate14/07/26 04:16 PM
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Many men will knowingly waste time and energy on women who they know that if they didn't always pay for dates and spend money on them, they wouldn't like them Traditionally, men had to do this even with women who were just as interested. When women quickly caved in to temptation, they were called easy, and they risked pregnancies they couldn't get rid of. Therefore, the concept of men slowly chipping away at a woman's defences was normalised. Nowadays, in the West, promiscuity in women is seen a…
/r/PurplePillDebate14/07/26 10:23 AM
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I've said this in the past but was told I'm just a deluded ugly man 🤣
/r/PurplePillDebate13/07/26 04:03 PM
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Men get low-paid jobs more easily. They don't get pushed into better-paid jobs to fulfil quotas like women. The healthcare research thing was morally wrong, but it's about 30 years out of date. Men are not favoured by the justice system. If a man and a woman with identical criminal records commit the same crime, the man's sentence will on average be 30% higher. When a man accuses a woman of domestic violence, he's more likely to be arrested than her. While rape of women conviction rates are too …
/r/PurplePillDebate12/07/26 05:20 PM
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Is this proposal about improving birth rates or enacting revenge for the past?
/r/PurplePillDebate12/07/26 05:00 PM
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Fair enough. But the fact remains that far more taxes are spent on women's health, justice for women and employment equality for women than the opposite. In terms of gender, the UK is probably one of the most female-biased nations on the planet. Our government decide policy based on Netflix films.
/r/PurplePillDebate12/07/26 04:43 PM
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Definitely. But I'm talking about ones that do get into LTRs.
/r/PurplePillDebate12/07/26 02:50 PM
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Compared to your man, you probably are!
/r/PurplePillDebate12/07/26 02:48 PM
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look at who most women are happily dating, guys who don’t exactly look like models nor are they rich Something I observed long before the advent of red pill is that, generally speaking, women end up with objectively the least attractive man they ever sleep with. With men it's usually the reverse. These women insist their men are handsome, while also claiming that all of their friends are with unattractive men. Even though they're of similar attractiveness to their own men. Eventually they divorc…
/r/PurplePillDebate12/07/26 12:31 PM
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I'm not sure it would change libido. It took 5 minutes to load a single image online when I was young, and porn mags were all soft core, but I don't think my drive could've been any higher. As you say, overall happiness is probably a factor. Male porn stars are like machines: physically impressive in every way, immune to impotence and premature ejaculation, and irresistible to women (on screen). As you suggest, it's not conducive to high self-esteem to compare yourself to sexual tyrannosaurs.
/r/PurplePillDebate12/07/26 11:01 AM
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This is interesting, and not that surprising to me. The main difference is that IMO men use porn as crutch; they use it more compulsively due to higher libido, whereas with women it seems to be more of a pastime. Also, just so know, stigmata refers to the spontaneous appearance of bodily wounds, scars or pain that correspond to the crucifixion wounds of Jesus Christ. The correct word is stigma.
/r/PurplePillDebate12/07/26 10:40 AM
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regular, even boring female character made easy to identify as Just like the female leads in the Twilight and 50 Shades adaptations. Plain, dull blank slates.
/r/PurplePillDebate12/07/26 10:18 AM
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They're mainly criticised because they're atrociously-written. Unless you're including the input of religious weirdos, in which case you're grasping at straws.
/r/PurplePillDebate12/07/26 10:13 AM
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Ah, yes, America, that famously British place.
/r/PurplePillDebate12/07/26 08:17 AM
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Popular radfems have supported all of those measures at some point, and they've got plenty of support when doing so. I bet you've liked a "let's just throw all men in jail" post yourself, at some point. Prostate cancer has a high survival rate, but only if detected. It doesn't get detected anywhere near as frequently as female cancers, partly because a proposed national screening drive was declined. We spend billions on breast cancer screening and large scale smear testing, as we should, but not…
/r/PurplePillDebate12/07/26 07:51 AM
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someone can make a strong case the toxic online posting is worse They can make a case, but it wouldn't be a strong one.
/r/PurplePillDebate12/07/26 07:22 AM
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Wholesale castration, mandatory sterilisation, mass incarceration and genocide. Those are some of the measures radfems support, so let's not be silly. In England, women cannot rape men. In England, schoolboys get worse marks than schoolgirls for identical work. In England, female criminals get 25% shorter sentences for the same crimes, even when their records are the same. In England, proposals for a Minister for Men were shot down because they might upset women. In England, female-on-male domes…
/r/PurplePillDebate12/07/26 07:00 AM
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Terrorists are usually mentally ill too. The belief that your cause is so important that people need to die is a clear sign that something isn't right upstairs. Just like thinking your own child needs to die suggests you're not in full possession of your mental faculties. Why are you prepared to pathologise the woman, but not the man? Hashtag KillAllMen got 3 billion engagements. That's basically the entire manosphere, one hundred times over. There are women with large social media followings wh…
/r/PurplePillDebate11/07/26 08:20 PM
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There are plenty of men with incel beliefs, but to become mass murderers there needs to be some kind of mental illness. The difference is that, for some reason, the illness is considered a valid reason when it's a woman killing her child, but not when it's a man killing strangers.
/r/PurplePillDebate11/07/26 05:27 PM
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Obviously not. Not for a lack of will, though. Women just aren't much good at killing.
/r/PurplePillDebate11/07/26 04:04 PM
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Thanks. I don't feel raped, to be fair. At the time, I was a 19 year old virgin, one of the last to lose my virginity amongst my friends, so I was just glad to get rid of the label. It's not something I'd want for my son, though, I suppose. The thing with my wife bothers me more. I probably wouldn't be on this sub otherwise.
/r/PurplePillDebate11/07/26 03:55 PM
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The person I was responding to didn't use "some women" either. But yes, you're right, so I'll edit my comment
/r/PurplePillDebate11/07/26 03:25 PM
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I could literally click my fingers and sleep with them, if I wanted. After it happened the first couple of times - both pushed by them while I was a lot drunker than them - I realised how besotted they were, so I backed off and reduced contact as much as I could. I worked with them, so it was impossible to cut them off altogether, but I didn't want to use them and give them the wrong idea. Plus one of them, with whom I was so inebriated that I only remember flashes of what happened, gave me a mi…
/r/PurplePillDebate11/07/26 03:23 PM
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Women are definitely not celebrated when they're more masculine.
/r/PurplePillDebate11/07/26 03:06 PM
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Killing all men would be, by definition, a genocide.
/r/PurplePillDebate11/07/26 03:04 PM
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Threatening to resort to collective guilt is hilarious, given how man vs bear is frequently defended here, and how often conversations are shut down with "but men rape and kill women". Manspreading is similar to terms like slut. Nobody criticises men who sleep around, and nobody criticises women who take up a lot of space sitting by placing their bag next to themselves on public transport. But slut is rightly considered as sexist, and manspreading is just seen as a joke. To be fair, if I were ac…
/r/PurplePillDebate11/07/26 03:04 PM
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It's a discussion about the largest genocide in human history. Would you be as philosophical if someone hashtagged KillAllBlacks, KillAllGays, KillAllTrans or KillAllWhites? Would you be happy to talk in a dispassionate manner about KillAllWomen, neutrally considering the motivations and circumstances that led to such hatred? I hate the likes of Andrew Tate. They drive division and do harm to both men and women for personal gain, and if there was a KillAllBigotedGriftingCriminals hashtag, I'd ha…
/r/PurplePillDebate11/07/26 02:41 PM
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Which is why I assumed only 1% would be actual advocates. Still 30 million women, though. Are you this charitable towards manosphere behaviours, out of interest? Do you wonder how many Andrew Tate subscribers actually support him, and how many watch him for research purposes or out of morbid curiosity?
/r/PurplePillDebate11/07/26 02:22 PM
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Anything else other than tens of millions of women saying they want all men to die? That's like saying apart from the fact they live and eat in the woods, is there any reason to think bears shit in the woods?
/r/PurplePillDebate11/07/26 01:59 PM
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Manspreading is a term used by all sorts of women. Powerful women have stopped men getting help by claiming misogyny. Those things aren't fringe at all.
/r/PurplePillDebate11/07/26 01:51 PM
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Some women call out air conditioning, male domestic abuse refuges, and men sitting in a position that doesn't crush their testicles as misogynistic. If that's "misogyny as they see it", maybe these women are not very good at spotting misogyny. Edited to clarify this isn't all women, only some.
/r/PurplePillDebate11/07/26 11:02 AM
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I think it would be overly-generous to women to say 99% were bots and men in the first place. My 1% example was just to demonstrate how big a number 3 billion is. I'd say it's more reasonable to rule out 99% of the engagements as trolls both male and female, bots and duplicates, which would leave 30 million individual women. The entire female population of the UK, roughly. That is a staggering amount of women who hate men enough to wish they were all executed. And it says more than any targeted …
/r/PurplePillDebate11/07/26 10:52 AM
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I don't know. But even if it's 99% male and bot, that's still 30 million women. Surveys usually involve numbers no bigger than 1000, so as I said, this is far more meaningful. Imagine the reaction if at least 30 million men said that not only do they hate women, but they endorsed their murder. Feminists would lose their shit. When women do it, we're supposed to either assume it's a joke, or reflect on why women hate men and how it's probably our fault. Imagine Hashtag KillAllWomen got 3 billion …
/r/PurplePillDebate11/07/26 10:19 AM
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Hashtag KillAllMen got 3 billion engagements. Even if only a tenth of those were unique and human, that's more women than there are in the USA, UK, Canada and Australia combined. That says more than any survey asking 1000 women ever could.
/r/PurplePillDebate11/07/26 09:24 AM
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Are you trying to tell us you're insane? Because one minute you say only enjoying sex with a limited number of men is insane, and the next you admit you'd only enjoy sex with an extremely limited number of men (one man, your husband).
/r/PurplePillDebate10/07/26 11:44 PM
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Shallowness isn't just about looks; it's about any factor apart from personality, character, morals or values. If it doesn't make you an objectively better person, then it's shallow,. That includes status and money, both of which are attractive to a lot of women. Those women are shallow. Everyone's shallow to a certain degree, but if you focus on height, build, facial features, salary and whether their job will impress your family and friends before you even get to whether they're a good person,…
/r/PurplePillDebate10/07/26 11:35 PM
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How did you get that from it? Rightly or wrongly, he's clearly saying women do enjoy sex, but with a very limited number of men.
/r/PurplePillDebate10/07/26 11:34 PM
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When I was a young man, there were a couple of girls who practically worshipped me. They wanted me far more than my own wife ever has, but they were also significantly less attractive. Objectively, and to me personally. And I've never been as attracted to someone as much as I am to my wife. That's the challenge for a lot of men: to be truly desired by someone they also truly desire.
/r/PurplePillDebate10/07/26 11:24 PM
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They're not the subjects. What romantic gestures does she make for them? And men make fun of her because she's shit.
/r/PurplePillDebate10/07/26 06:49 PM
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It still exists. Just not in the places where most of its biggest detractors live.
/r/PurplePillDebate10/07/26 10:03 AM
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You've not understood the distinction between being the object of romance and the subject of romance.
/r/PurplePillDebate10/07/26 09:45 AM
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It's very middle class-centric. Most of the rest of the world work shitty jobs because they have to, not to have a "fulfilling career" and "realise their ambitions".
/r/PurplePillDebate10/07/26 08:51 AM
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That depends on how you define "romantic". If you mean "wants to be the object of romance" then women are more romantic. If you mean "wants to treat someone romantically", men are far more romantic than women. A lot of men don't want to be romantic towards women, but compared to the amount of women who want to be romantic towards men, it's massively skewed in men's favour. Feminists want traditional gender roles to disappear, but only when it suits them.
/r/PurplePillDebate10/07/26 06:56 AM
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I've not had the misfortune to visit 2X for a while. Maybe they've cleaned it up a bit, because it was a cesspool last time I was there. Red pill and inkwell are nowhere near as mainstream as radical feminism. The likes of Tate might have 20 million followers, but Hashtag KillAllMen got 3 billion engagements. There are only 4 billion women in the world.
/r/PurplePillDebate09/07/26 09:45 PM
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I suppose it's a bit like western men falling for east Asian women because they're stereotypically more feminine.
/r/PurplePillDebate09/07/26 07:51 PM
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At the very most, 0.005% of the world's men are on this sub. Even if it was the biggest sub on Reddit, it'd still be too niche to prove anything. It's like me saying all women are horrible due to the Two X Chromosome sub.
/r/PurplePillDebate09/07/26 07:44 PM
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When I was traveling around Europe nearly 25 years ago, my friends and I spoke to a fellow Englishman who'd just visited Russia. He said most of the young men were skinheads and thugs who treated their girlfriends like meat, and all you had to do was be nice to women and they'd fall at your feet. He was probably a little above average attractiveness IIRC and reasonably chatty. Of course, he might've been talking bollocks.
/r/PurplePillDebate09/07/26 07:34 PM
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I'm defending nobody. I'm responding to your "men hate women" claim.
/r/PurplePillDebate09/07/26 07:28 PM
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I've heard eastern European men aren't the most romantic.
/r/PurplePillDebate09/07/26 04:55 PM
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Apparently lonely men's tears are a delicacy. If people are nice to said men, they'll stop crying, and we'll have another lonely men's tears shortage. Misandrists won't stand for it.
/r/PurplePillDebate09/07/26 04:40 PM
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Some men dislike all women Most men dislike some women A few men hate very few women Rabid misandrists are in all 3 categories, which might be why they feel hated.
/r/PurplePillDebate09/07/26 03:22 PM
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No. They send actual messages to everyone.
/r/PurplePillDebate09/07/26 11:15 AM
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Sure, but some are objective. Henry Cavill can reasonably look in the mirror and be proud of his appearance. Steve Buscemi, maybe not.
/r/PurplePillDebate09/07/26 08:30 AM
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Thanks, Gemini
/r/PurplePillDebate09/07/26 08:28 AM
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The majority of men send messages to the top women on dating sites They also send them to average women and below average women.
/r/PurplePillDebate09/07/26 08:27 AM
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They are more content being alone This argument is based on a couple of studies. One says that single women are happier than single men, and the other states that divorced women claim increased happiness after divorce. The first is of little value; men have higher sex drives, and they're less able to get sex while single, whereas women can more easily scratch that itch if they're desperate. Plus, for men, being unpartnered is less likely to be by choice, which means lack of control over one's ow…
/r/PurplePillDebate09/07/26 08:25 AM
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Self-esteem is recognising and appreciating your strengths, not imagining non-existent strengths.
/r/PurplePillDebate09/07/26 07:46 AM
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We've all heard the old phrase "he thinks he's God's gift to women". Projection at its finest.
/r/PurplePillDebate09/07/26 07:42 AM
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Manosphere grifters like Tate, Rogan and the rest are scum, but let's not pretend blue pillers and feminists don't subscribe to their fair share of hateful rhetoric. Like extreme misandrist Andrea Dworkin, would-be sexist murderer Valerie Solanos and proud man-hater Pauline Harmange.
/r/PurplePillDebate08/07/26 11:46 PM
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I've been told over and over that women who settle for a man they're not really attracted to don't exist anymore. Not in the west, at least. Apparently, women don't need a man for money, so they always end up with their dream man, with whom they have the best sex of their lives. I'm glad some women are being honest now. That's you, the person who I replied to and Lilith who've all admitted that women do settle for men they're not particularly attracted to.
/r/PurplePillDebate08/07/26 08:09 PM
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Long gone are the days when women were modest about their sexual history. They've been told since the ladette era in the 90s & 00s that having lots of casual sex with hot men is empowering, and the likes of Sabrina Carpenter and Cardi B are still telling them now. Simps and white knights online also insist that real men don't care about sexual history, so they're hearing it from both genders. It's no surprise that many women are fairly candid about their intimate lives these days.
/r/PurplePillDebate08/07/26 07:58 PM
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She replies, but she doesn't answer.
/r/PurplePillDebate08/07/26 02:27 PM
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I didn't ask about "us guys". I asked if people should give their partners special treatment, or not. I've asked you 3 times now. Just a yes or no will do.
/r/PurplePillDebate08/07/26 01:58 PM
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Stop evading and answer the question. Should people give their partners special treatment, or not?
/r/PurplePillDebate08/07/26 01:41 PM
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Stop evading and answer the question. Should people give their partners special treatment, or not?
/r/PurplePillDebate08/07/26 01:33 PM
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Hang on. You don't think people should give their significant other special treatment? We should treat them the same way we treat everyone else?
/r/PurplePillDebate08/07/26 01:24 PM
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Surely everyone should get special treatment from their partner.
/r/PurplePillDebate08/07/26 01:15 PM
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Notice how you acknowledge chads get better treatment from their women, even when compared to desired but not quite chad men.
/r/PurplePillDebate08/07/26 01:11 PM
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What if the Appalachian girl's man is very rich but doesn't think she deserves that kind of treatment? He doesn't tell her that, but it's obvious he could afford a trip to Paris, she says she wants to go, and he gives no reason or makes up an excuse. Is she going to be happy with that? As for the non-chad, are you saying he's been settled for? Because you're contradicting virtually every woman on here if so. PPD women insist they don't settle for men.
/r/PurplePillDebate08/07/26 12:42 PM
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How well would women deal with their man telling them, "sorry, but you're just not attractive enough for that kind of treatment"?
/r/PurplePillDebate08/07/26 11:45 AM
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You’re not Chad. Stop expecting Chad treatment So if a woman isn't conventionally and objectively attractive, she shouldn't expect to be treated as if she's desired?
/r/PurplePillDebate08/07/26 11:36 AM
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Didn't you post something very similar a few days ago?
/r/PurplePillDebate08/07/26 11:34 AM
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Yes, of course. And "all women used to be sex slaves" is more extreme than "men are responsible for many of mankind's greatest achievements.
/r/PurplePillDebate07/07/26 07:05 PM
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You seem to know what happens between us better than we do. Was your degree in witchcraft?
/r/PurplePillDebate07/07/26 06:46 PM
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We share some red pill ideas - but not all - as it happens. My wife was partly raised by her grandmother, who grew up in a slum bombed by the Nazis, so she's fairly old school in some respects. She is also well aware that I do a lot more than her; in fact, it would be deluded of her to claim otherwise, because she spends at least 50% of her non-working, non-sleeping time in bed due to illness. But she's far from deluded; she's highly intelligent. And that's not the sort of thing she complains ab…
/r/PurplePillDebate07/07/26 05:43 PM
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I know it's not much consolation, but most men are fully aware they can't rape their wives. Most men don't even want to rape their wives. My only point re the past was that both men and women talk about their ancestors. If you have a problem with one, you should also object to the other.
/r/PurplePillDebate07/07/26 05:13 PM
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It is possible to see some truth in red pill ideas without wanting government-issued girlfriends. Just like it's possible to be a modern feminist without supporting compulsory chemical castration for men.
/r/PurplePillDebate07/07/26 04:58 PM
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Who's in the manosphere?
/r/PurplePillDebate07/07/26 02:59 PM
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I'm not young; I'm married with 2 adult children. Working class but comfortable enough, and educated. Given how many women take antidepressants and how many men kill themselves these days, I think you may be closer to the answer than I assumed: there just aren't many healthy relationships. But not necessarily because the partners don't care enough for each other or aren't compatible. For example, although I say so myself, I treat my wife very well. I do most of the housework, most of the care fo…
/r/PurplePillDebate07/07/26 02:54 PM
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Being hawkish doesn't mean enjoying going to war, or going to war for the wrong reasons. It just means more likely to use violence over diplomacy than average. If someone goes to war more often than others, whatever their reasons, they are hawkish. Which relates back to my original point, that women have been proportionately more likely to start armed conflicts than men. I made no comment on whether it was with good reason or not.
/r/PurplePillDebate07/07/26 12:11 PM
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I must've never known anybody in a healthy relationship then. Which seems unlikely.
/r/PurplePillDebate07/07/26 12:05 PM
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This reminds me of you claiming to have proven me wrong in the post I'm responding to.
/r/PurplePillDebate07/07/26 12:00 PM
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I'm usually a firm believer in the 'check your own shoes' advice, and I don't believe women are a monolith or AWALT or any of that bollocks. However, I also find it more than plausible that OP could have a dozen complaining girlfriends without it being his fault. Back when women were considered property and domestic abuse wasn't even a crime, women still nagged men. They simply had to complain, even when they risked physical violence or worse to themselves. At one point, being a "scold" was made…
/r/PurplePillDebate07/07/26 11:07 AM
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Remember the time Pristine_Cost_3793 said "I'm afraid this is your best"? It's just like the time Pristine_Cost_3793 said "I'm afraid this is your best". Do you know who you remind me of, Pristine_Cost_3793? Believe it or not, it's Pristine_Cost_3793.
/r/PurplePillDebate07/07/26 10:43 AM
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Obviously they are different things. It wouldn't be much of an argument if I said, "You know how men boast about the achievements of their ancestors? Well, get this - men also boast about the achievements of their ancestors! Crazy, huh?" You can't compare 2 identical things.
/r/PurplePillDebate07/07/26 10:25 AM
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Do you think getting a certificate changes your personality?
/r/PurplePillDebate07/07/26 10:19 AM
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The point is that men go on about the past. Women also go on about the past. It's as simple as that, and I'm not sure why you're struggling with this basic premise. At this point, I think you're trolling.
/r/PurplePillDebate07/07/26 08:25 AM
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Are you aware that less than 5% of women live in the USA?
/r/PurplePillDebate07/07/26 07:04 AM
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Women frequently terminate debates they're losing with statements like "women literally used to be property" and "my grandma couldn't open her own bank account".
/r/PurplePillDebate07/07/26 07:02 AM
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Sorry that happened to you. The difference, though, is that women got raped AND they weren't independent and didn't have suffrage. I've not said abuse no longer exists, just that it's nowhere near as prevalent or severe as it used to be, yet women still talk about it like it's happening to them. Like men talk about building civilisation, even when their own contribution to its maintenance is minor at best.
/r/PurplePillDebate07/07/26 06:59 AM
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My intention isn't to condescend. My intention is for her to stay on topic and stop using emotive language. She's being a hypocrite but wants to obscure that with indignation.
/r/PurplePillDebate07/07/26 06:50 AM
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Do you want a number? They maintain civilisation because without them the world will fall apart. Without the power grid powering the internet, without house building, without the mining of rare materials and the cutting down of trees, everybody's life would simply stop. Before you launch into a rant, I'm not saying women do nothing of value. But my original point was about men taking credit for historical work they don't do, which I equated to women seeking sympathy for historical oppression the…
/r/PurplePillDebate07/07/26 06:46 AM
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I'm pretty sure that's not been true for a long time. Back-breaking, life-threatening physical labour is more of a sacrifice than paperwork.
/r/PurplePillDebate07/07/26 06:10 AM
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When it comes to actual physical building in the most literal sense, it was and is almost always men.
/r/PurplePillDebate07/07/26 06:03 AM
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Rightly or wrongly, physical labour will always be seen as more of a contribution than admin.
/r/PurplePillDebate07/07/26 06:01 AM
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He's talking about in relationships.
/r/PurplePillDebate06/07/26 10:14 PM
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You're going massively off-topic and getting over-emotional. At no point have I said women don't still face unfair treatment. My point was that the harshest oppression, when women had no independence, no autonomy and no rights, is over. But you still complain about those issues like they are current. Just as men still talk about the past.
/r/PurplePillDebate06/07/26 09:13 PM
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Agreed. However, just as women are still affected to a lesser degree by the remnants of past oppression, men are still building civilisation to a lesser degree, in that they are maintaining civilisation.
/r/PurplePillDebate06/07/26 08:05 PM
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Credit score wasn't that long ago, no. So it's a good thing I didn't mention that. I talked about women being property which was a long, long time before any of you were born. I didn't try and fail to mimic your words. I succeeded in mimicking them; go back and have a look if you don't believe me. The fact you disagree with my point (based partly on something I didn't even say) doesn't mean I failed. It just means you can't see your hypocrisy, which is fine, because I expect no better.
/r/PurplePillDebate06/07/26 06:33 PM
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No. But some oppression doesn't exist anymore, and it therefore doesn't impact today's women. If you're going to complain about it, don't criticise men who take credit for their ancestors' achievements.
/r/PurplePillDebate06/07/26 06:23 PM
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I didn't say women don't face any oppression. Regardless, women still complain about issues from the past that stopped long before they were born. It's a direct parallel of your complaint about men - that they try to claim involvement in something that happened decades or centuries ago - which is why I mimicked your words.
/r/PurplePillDebate06/07/26 05:57 PM
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Women go on and on about how women 50, 100, 250 years ago were treated as property and couldn't open bank accounts or whatever. But they themselves haven't suffered any of this oppression. They seem to think that because they are women they should be compensated for the evils their ancestors suffered.
/r/PurplePillDebate06/07/26 05:40 PM
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There are some people who are honest to a fault and can't help answering everything, and they just make life hard for themselves. This sort of stuff is more likely to come out from a third party like a friend, but I doubt that's as common as ragebait online leads us to believe.
/r/PurplePillDebate06/07/26 12:16 PM
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Most people don't ask because they suspect the truth and would rather bury their head in the sand. And if they do ask, their partner is unlikely to admit it anyway.
/r/PurplePillDebate06/07/26 11:50 AM
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Some men that you know may be able to do so. Most can't. I'm married and would have virtually zero chance of immediately finding someone else if I had to.
/r/PurplePillDebate06/07/26 11:37 AM
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So do you only compare identical things? You buy 2 of the same dress and try them both on? 2 cans of the same soda and see if they taste different? You literally cannot compare things unless they are different.
/r/PurplePillDebate06/07/26 11:11 AM
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Women don't care about being a man's best because if he becomes dissatisfied and leaves, she can replace him immediately.
/r/PurplePillDebate06/07/26 10:55 AM
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If casual dating is all they're interested in, there's no harm done, I suppose.
/r/PurplePillDebate06/07/26 01:52 AM
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It's definitely not.
/r/PurplePillDebate06/07/26 01:49 AM
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If I went on a second date with a woman and found out she'd slept with someone else since our first date, she'd be dropped immediately. And I'd have zero respect for any man who put up with that kind of behaviour. A woman who can't keep her legs closed for a few weeks while we're working out if we're right for each other is not for me.
/r/PurplePillDebate06/07/26 12:52 AM
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That would be more likely, yeah.
/r/PurplePillDebate05/07/26 11:08 AM
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Historically, sex has certainly been a resource. Men used to fight with other tribes to control this resource, as procreation is necessary for populations to succeed. Even when we became more civilised, access to women was treated like a privilege that was granted by birthright or earnt over time. This reality lasted for millennia, so why do you expect less than a century of women's lib to cancel that out? It will take hundreds of years for men en masse to adapt to the new status quo, especially…
/r/PurplePillDebate05/07/26 11:04 AM
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This is a tricky one. The usual formula (sentence for woman = sentence for man minus 25%) can't be used, because men can't commit paternity fraud. We'd better just make it 5 hours of community service and a verbal apology.
/r/PurplePillDebate04/07/26 07:57 PM
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I address this in my reply to someone else.
/r/PurplePillDebate04/07/26 06:00 PM
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I wouldn't base my view on the numbers at r/deadbedroom. Women are much more likely than men to share intimate details and seek help in general. Also, IME, when women talk about their libido, they tend to focus on the times they might want to have sex. Specifically when they're ovulating, and not when they're on their period or for a few days beforehand. If you see a woman say, "I'm always hornier than my man", there's a good chance she's talking about the relatively short interval when she's mo…
/r/PurplePillDebate04/07/26 10:58 AM
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It probably got me a few shit ONS when I was younger, but only in conjunction with gaining about 30lbs in muscle. I could've got away with 6'0 with my wife, though. She's only 5'2, and the man she was into before me was about 5'7, so I think she just wanted someone taller than her. The extra bulk was likely more important in attracting her. It's hard to say for definite, though. I was told a couple of times that I look "scary"; maybe the extra height made that worse.
/r/PurplePillDebate04/07/26 10:02 AM
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This is a sensible way of looking at it. My own view is that if I ever shame anyone for anything, it tends to be in my head. I judge silently, unless they're doing something truly heinous, like pursuing underage people or being violent.
/r/PurplePillDebate04/07/26 07:07 AM
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I'm not saying passport-broing or sleeping with lots of men are the same. In fact, the only similarity between the two is that both are shamed, they object to being shamed, and they want approval instead. Therefore, your attitude of "why care if others shame you or disapprove of your actions?" could be applied to both. Your words below could just as easily be spoken to a woman protesting slut-shaming: Do what you want, but I’ll never understand this mindset of wanting approval or caring about “s…
/r/PurplePillDebate04/07/26 01:09 AM
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One could say the same about slut shaming, but plenty of women complain about that.
/r/PurplePillDebate03/07/26 08:03 PM
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That's why I mentioned two criteria, not just one. Ideally, both would be satisfied, but if not, either would be okay. If it's neither, then I wouldn't be too optimistic. The two criteria are: 1) does she seem as though she's attracted, like she's tempted but is resisting temptation? 2) does she usually make men wait? If (1) isn't true but (2) is, she might just be someone who needs plenty of time. If (1) is true but (2) isn't, she might've been burned, as you said, or she might've grown out of …
/r/PurplePillDebate03/07/26 06:25 PM
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Only the individual can decide what's too long for them. For me personally, I wouldn't mind waiting a couple of months if she made it obvious she was attracted, and she also made other men wait.
/r/PurplePillDebate03/07/26 06:05 PM
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We judge men on things we don't judge women for too. Just like women judge men and women differently.
/r/PurplePillDebate03/07/26 04:41 PM
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If too early and too late exist, there will be a sweet spot somewhere in the middle. It's not like you have to make a binary choice between first date and wedding night.
/r/PurplePillDebate03/07/26 03:45 PM
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"Just your turn" isn't supposed to imply women are toys to be passed around. If anything, it's saying the same thing about men, that they'll be discarded at some point, so they shouldn't get too attached. It's no more offensive than claiming all men are threats until proven otherwise.
/r/PurplePillDebate03/07/26 11:51 AM
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Just a minor point - Fred West's wife is as evil as he was, if not more so. She doesn't have the mitigating factor of a traumatic brain injury like him, but she was raised in by a sexually-abusive monster of a father. Her fellow inmates are apparently terrified of her, even though she's elderly now.
/r/PurplePillDebate03/07/26 11:21 AM
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That's why I said "proportionately". Obviously women leaders haven't started as many wars overall because they can't start wars if they have no power. But when they have had the power, they've been more likely to start wars. Let's say that, over the course of human history, the world's nations have had male leaders 95% of the time. (I don't know if that's correct; I'm just using it as an example.) If males and females were equally hawkish, you'd expect males to have started 19 times as many wars…
/r/PurplePillDebate03/07/26 06:45 AM
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average SAHM works 61 hours per week That number looks suspiciously familiar. IIRC, it's from the self-reported study that claimed women spend 2 hours per week making doctor's appointments, 2 hours per week arranging play dates for their children, and 2 hours per week remembering birthdays. All noble pursuits, of course, but perhaps not as time-consuming as we're led to believe.
/r/PurplePillDebate03/07/26 05:53 AM
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Maybe. But a woman could get a license and then suffer from post partum psychosis. From what I've read, that's often a major factor. As for men, they don't have PPP as an excuse, but whenever it's in the news, they don't sound like they're sane. Some of them will be evil, but others just seem to lose their minds.
/r/PurplePillDebate02/07/26 07:36 PM
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Yeah. Under the age of one, the mother is the more likely killer; over the age of one, it's the father.
/r/PurplePillDebate02/07/26 07:26 PM
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And infant children are in the unique position of their main carer also being their main predator. Shit rolls downhill.
/r/PurplePillDebate02/07/26 06:53 PM
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It's not meaningless. "Bad" is a negative descriptor, so a bad boy has negative traits of some sort. The negative traits must outweigh his good traits, because otherwise he'd be a "good guy". It's imprecise and puerile, but most people know it's not a compliment. Unless you're an idiot who likes bad boys.
/r/PurplePillDebate02/07/26 06:47 PM
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The word "bad" is almost as vague as an adjective can be, so it's not surprising it has a broad spectrum of meanings. It would be stranger if it had an extremely specific meaning.
/r/PurplePillDebate02/07/26 05:44 PM
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No, I'm not forgetting them. As I said, I'm not comparing warlike men to warlike women. I was simply responding to somebody saying men are more likely to start wars. Proportionately, throughout history, that's not true.
/r/PurplePillDebate02/07/26 10:42 AM
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History is written by the victors. Some historians claim that Mary was unfairly vilified; others assert that Elizabeth was not as worthy as we're told. Large armies always featured many poor men. In England, laws were in place to ensure that the peasantry practiced archery so that they'd be ready as soon as their king, queen or lord was taken by some whim. I'm not talking about sins of men vs women or vice versa. I was simply responding to the claim that men are more likely to start wars, which …
/r/PurplePillDebate02/07/26 08:06 AM
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An excuse is a reason given to justify a fault or mistake. Reason - self-preservation Fault/mistake - starting wars I'm no paragon of virtue, but I wouldn't send hordes of impoverished men to fight and die painful deaths to save my own skin. It's not like she had any children of her own to protect, either. If you would truly sacrifice thousands just so you alone can survive, you need to examine your moral compass.
/r/PurplePillDebate02/07/26 07:47 AM
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The reasons you've given may be valid, but they are still excuses by definition. They may be good excuses, and we can synpathise with her and accept her motives. But you're still excusing her actions with mitigating circumstances. Hawkish simply means "in favour of war with other nations"; it doesn't imply that there is no justification for said war. There have been hawkish male leaders for whom we could make a litany of excuses. I doubt you'd be interested in doing so, though, because they were…
/r/PurplePillDebate02/07/26 05:05 AM
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Shame. It sounds like a good idea in theory, but humans will always find a way to spoil it.
/r/PurplePillDebate01/07/26 11:55 AM
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So as well as being used for safety, it's used for personal vendettas and grievances?
/r/PurplePillDebate01/07/26 10:57 AM
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The sites that women use that OP is referring to are used by women who think something is sketchy, and the info given on them is about abuse and cheating, not consensual sexual activity I've only been on them to defend a friend who was being defamed These 2 sections contradict each other. If the first is correct, and it's all about safety, why the defamation mentioned in the second section?
/r/PurplePillDebate01/07/26 10:03 AM
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r/copypasta
/r/PurplePillDebate01/07/26 10:00 AM
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The person you replied to said: "what kind of men let their women fight and die for their nation?" - the men we have? They are always done it? You replied with: Not in my country and tbh not in any country. So you were saying men, regardless of their country, don't fight and die for their nation. I answered you with proof that huge numbers of men have fought and died for their nation. I proved you wrong. And your answer is "so"? You need to learn how to have a conversation.
/r/PurplePillDebate01/07/26 08:32 AM
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Do you have any idea how many men died in the world wars? Nearly 20,000 British men died on the first day of the Somme. Entire towns and villages lost their whole male populations in a matter of weeks. Over 9 million Soviet men lost their lives defending their motherland against the Nazis.
/r/PurplePillDebate01/07/26 08:16 AM
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It is so weird you guys always assume infinite spite and malice to women for everything, like we’re not even human Spite and malice are very human emotions; animals are incapable of them.
/r/PurplePillDebate01/07/26 08:06 AM
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Whatever Queen Elizabeth's motives, the fact remains that she was hawkish. Male leaders have their reasons to go to war too, and they're not always purely based on bloodlust and expansion, but I imagine you wouldn't look for charitable excuses for them.
/r/PurplePillDebate01/07/26 07:47 AM
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If women were financially chained to men, most would be free to indulge in online discussion. Last time women were financially chained to men, the vast majority of women weren't kept prisoner. They had friends and family to keep them company; they were able to get out and about. It wasn't like Handmaid's Tale, you know. You seem to have a distorted view of life, both in the past and now.
/r/PurplePillDebate30/06/26 11:07 PM
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Women have autonomy and independence in the west. If they don't want a man, nobody is forcing them into relationships, so they can stay single. If they want to remain child free, they can avoid men altogether, use birth control, the morning after pill and, in most places, get abortions. If they want to focus on their education and career, the system is weighted to help them succeed. Unprecedented choice, freedom and advocacy, yet so much depression, stress, anxiety and autoimmune disorders. This…
/r/PurplePillDebate30/06/26 10:39 PM
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While I find it easier to be around men than women, I'm not in any way homoromantic. I simply have more in common with men, and I don't feel like they're judging me. Plus, in my experience, women are more likely to be confrontational or openly hostile. Due to my size, most men (apart from the occasional psychopath) don't risk being a dick, but some women - probably because men have it drilled into them not to physically attack women - are more reckless.
/r/PurplePillDebate30/06/26 11:28 AM
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He is the table 💅
/r/PurplePillDebate30/06/26 06:53 AM
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The world is full of ghettos.
/r/PurplePillDebate30/06/26 12:12 AM
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I'm talking about women voting against their interests; men's interests are in some ways different. One side wants to take away your bodily autonomy, and the other doesn't. It'd be great to have an ideal candidate, but perfect is the enemy of good. Purity tests lost the last election for the left.
/r/PurplePillDebate29/06/26 11:45 PM
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More than half of the world's population are low rent poors, so it's crazy to describe it your way.
/r/PurplePillDebate29/06/26 10:56 PM
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Corporations gain more power and less humanity under right-wing governments, which are just as likely to attract female votes as male. You don't need female candidates; you need candidates who are likely to win but won't shaft women.
/r/PurplePillDebate29/06/26 09:27 PM
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Most governments and corporations are still run by men. Women need to stop voting against their interests.
/r/PurplePillDebate29/06/26 09:15 PM
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Any man or boy watching incest and especially rape porn is equally concerning. I've watched coerced stuff in the past. Not because I searched it online, but due to me buying a dodgy VHS tape on holiday in Greece as a young man. That was in the days of dial-up internet, when downloading porn took so long that you might as well go out and try to get laid, so when you went somewhere with less censorship, it was too tempting to come home empty-handed. Even though you had no real idea what you were g…
/r/PurplePillDebate29/06/26 08:10 PM
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Maybe you watched too many gory movies as a kid...
/r/PurplePillDebate29/06/26 07:35 PM
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With bonus blood and guts
/r/PurplePillDebate29/06/26 03:47 PM
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I suppose she could, but if the man then needs to cross the road for some reason, to take a turn perhaps, it looks like he's following her.
/r/PurplePillDebate29/06/26 02:39 PM
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My replies are always reasonable!
/r/PurplePillDebate29/06/26 02:37 PM
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No, it's not nursing, but thanks anyway. I don't have the patience for patients.
/r/PurplePillDebate29/06/26 01:50 PM
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It's neither teacher nor nurse, but nice try, Columbo
/r/PurplePillDebate29/06/26 01:49 PM
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I will always slow down or cross the road if in the proximity of a woman at night. Men who don't do so shouldn't be proud of themselves; it's not asking much for them to make a minor adjustment. Re men vs bear, a lot of men just felt it was sexist. It's like if a man said, "I'd rather leave my Rolex near a magpie than a woman". Obviously, having your property stolen is nowhere near as devastating as sexual assault or worse, but the message is similar: women aren't to be trusted because they just…
/r/PurplePillDebate29/06/26 11:23 AM
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For good reason. I've been doxxed by a member of this sub before, and it caused me a lot of trouble and cost me a fair bit of money. Just because I disagreed with someone.
/r/PurplePillDebate29/06/26 10:06 AM
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Women who make being a spinster their whole personality whilst complaining about men at every given opportunity are the ones dubbed "crazy cat ladies". Just as men who rant and rave about their misfortunes, often blaming them all on women, have their own pejorative.
/r/PurplePillDebate29/06/26 10:00 AM
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As women always say, it's about consent.
/r/PurplePillDebate29/06/26 09:19 AM
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The main one is tolerating behaviour that would be considered problematic, even abusive at other times. From significantly increased irritability to all-out rage, depending on the woman involved. Being more attentive, or giving more space. Taking more of the burden with regards to children and home management You're arguing about this with me, but out of interest, how many women have you had long term relationships with? I've been in one for 23 years, nearly 19 of those married. I've known numer…
/r/PurplePillDebate29/06/26 09:15 AM
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I don't have any sources that the sky is blue, either, but we both know it is. Just like we, and everyone else commenting and reading, accepts that it's common for women to expect extra accommodations when the painters are in.
/r/PurplePillDebate29/06/26 08:55 AM
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You missed the point. Asking for sources that water is wet is ridiculous, and such a request should be treated with contempt. If you think I'm going to waste time trawling the internet to get a virtual pat on the head, you've got another thing coming.
/r/PurplePillDebate29/06/26 08:45 AM
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The industry I want to work within is heavily biased to women and is gatekept by feminists. If I were in the top 1% of men, I might have a chance of breaking the pink ceiling. I'm good but not quite elite, so although I keep working, I'm unlikely to succeed, though I refuse to give up entirely.
/r/PurplePillDebate29/06/26 08:41 AM
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This is like asking for sources that water is wet. You should be happy, anyway. You're officially in the top 0.01% of all women in terms of maturity, independence and self-control.
/r/PurplePillDebate29/06/26 08:06 AM
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As long as you're both happy with that, I guess.
/r/PurplePillDebate29/06/26 07:57 AM
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You're the one making claims that contradict centuries of common knowledge.
/r/PurplePillDebate29/06/26 07:44 AM
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He's not earned enough points this year, sadly.
/r/PurplePillDebate29/06/26 07:39 AM
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This sub isn't about employee/customer relations.
/r/PurplePillDebate29/06/26 07:19 AM
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Try being a bitch about it. That's the usual strategy, and because most men just want a peaceful, easy life, it generally works.
/r/PurplePillDebate29/06/26 07:18 AM
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I can't imagine any grown ass woman expecting her man to "accommodate" her time of the month You must've missed the /s because you obviously can't be serious about this. Millions of men would disagree with you, as would women who are feeling honest.
/r/PurplePillDebate29/06/26 07:09 AM
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sex needs to make me happy too to want it That wasn't your only stated requirement, though. You also said you need to not have any "negative feelings". Humans nearly always have negative feelings about something. Even wealthy people who live a life of comfort and happiness still find shit to be negative about. Saying you've got to be serenely content like a fictional character from a children's story to consider having sex is bizarre.
/r/PurplePillDebate29/06/26 06:59 AM
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What are you basing that on? One of the reasons men are so much more lethal than women when they've decided to kill themselves is because they do it alone. Why do you think I'm mad at women? Because I'm disagreeing with one? Do you think all disagreement is done when mad?
/r/PurplePillDebate29/06/26 03:22 AM
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The typing equivalent of yelling is caps. Do you see any of those?
/r/PurplePillDebate29/06/26 03:18 AM
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No. I don't think erotica should be banned, as long as it's not about kids. That doesn't mean I can't have an opinion about it, though. Just like I don't agree with religious messages being pushed by media, but I wouldn't ban them.
/r/PurplePillDebate28/06/26 09:55 PM
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I'd say the line is whether you're intended to self-insert or not. Porn is definitely vicarious, especially POV style. Is erotica? I don't read it, so I don't know, but whenever I've seen movies adapted from dark fantasy, the female lead always seems to be played by a relatively (by Hollywood standards) plain woman, and the male lead is a 10/10 demigod.
/r/PurplePillDebate28/06/26 09:36 PM
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If men into rape porn complain about men in general being viewed as rapists, I'd tell them not to be hypocritical. If men into barely legal porn complain that there aren't enough chaste young women IRL, I'd tell them not to be hypocritical. If women into abuse fantasy complain about how many women get abused, I'd tell them not to be hypocritical.
/r/PurplePillDebate28/06/26 09:24 PM
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If you start a war, you'll lose by taking "only" 20% casualties, maybe less. Then you've still got 80% of your army coming home, stronger and fitter than they once were but now with PTSD. They feel even more entitled than they used to, and they've been sharing conspiracies about how their government tried to kill them rather than taking women's rights. It's a recipe for disaster.
/r/PurplePillDebate28/06/26 09:15 PM
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I can't find it now, but it was the only one about Norway and male Ukrainian refugees. The thing with therapy is it doesn't work for everyone, especially men who are natural loners. I'm not sure what the answer is for them.
/r/PurplePillDebate28/06/26 08:49 PM
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Fair enough. I shouldn't have said "women", or even "feminists" - I should've said "radical feminists". It's hard to tell who's who on here sometimes, because one minute somebody seems reasonable, and then they say something extreme. Both men and women. Sorry to hear about your father and others. One of my best friends from childhood took his own life during Covid, and another a few years beforehand. Obviously doesn't compare with your loss, but it was a sad time.
/r/PurplePillDebate28/06/26 08:37 PM
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One of the problems with extremism of any type is the "all or nothing" mindset. If you believe in a cause, ideally you should be able to accept its weaknesses. When you refuse to concede an inch in any argument, you undermine your credibility. That's what we see in radical feminists: a pathological inability to consider any aspect of life where they might not be oppressed victims.
/r/PurplePillDebate28/06/26 08:27 PM
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There were a fair few on here yesterday. How many of those feminists are suggesting therapy because they think it'll help, and how many are just being snarky?
/r/PurplePillDebate28/06/26 08:13 PM
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It's a feminist organisation who's responsible. Just as it was feminists who protested against male DV shelters, and feminists who lobbied against a proposed minister for men in the UK (a minister for women is fine, though), and feminists who persuaded the Norwegian government to ban male immigrants from Ukraine. A lot of women claim to be feminists these days, and they take these actions in your name. Although people do misuse the threat of suicide for manipulation, I don't think we should be p…
/r/PurplePillDebate28/06/26 08:08 PM
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No true Scotsman?
/r/PurplePillDebate28/06/26 07:34 PM
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Racists sometimes get to know people of other races and rethink their prejudices. Radfems get married to men and still hate men with a passion.
/r/PurplePillDebate28/06/26 07:33 PM
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Do you think locking people up is the only way of blaming them? How about automatically suspecting suicidal men of domestic abuse, for starters?
/r/PurplePillDebate28/06/26 07:31 PM
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Not only are they ignored as victims, but they're tacitly classed as perpetrators by virtue of their gender.
/r/PurplePillDebate28/06/26 06:39 PM
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correlation of men who ideate about suicide, and men who perpetrate family violence, is a known connection In Australia, which is the country concerned, the correlation is 2500 to 20. 125 to 1. That is nowhere near significant enough to be classed as a "known connection". Of course, that's just Australia, but why would it be higher in other places? It might be easier to kill your family in the US, for example, due to gun ownership, but it's also easier to commit suicide for the same reason.
/r/PurplePillDebate28/06/26 06:38 PM
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Wait until you find out that British men domestically abused by women are classed as victims of violence against women and girls.
/r/PurplePillDebate28/06/26 06:30 PM
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People who think soldiers don't deserve help because they're men.
/r/PurplePillDebate28/06/26 06:22 PM
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The fact that it's more than 1% of the market is concerning. Considering how popular the likes of You and 365 Days are on Netflix, and how successful the frankly terrible 50 Shades was, I'd be surprised if it wasn't a big chunk. I'm an author. I used to spend a lot of time on Twitter cross-promoting other authors, and there was a lot of questionable stuff out there.
/r/PurplePillDebate28/06/26 06:18 PM
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One thing about minotaurs is that they're definitely not miniature. Especially when it comes to their... equipment. Or so I've been told.
/r/PurplePillDebate28/06/26 06:01 PM
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Advocating, like you.
/r/PurplePillDebate28/06/26 05:58 PM
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If imprisonment is the only negative treatment you can think of, you'll be glad to know that men get harsher sentences for the same crimes than women, even when they have comparable records. The patriarchy has fallen! Congratulations.
/r/PurplePillDebate28/06/26 05:58 PM
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Where did I say that? My point is that the gender of the oppressor is irrelevant. And so what if he's in another country? You brought up Afghan women elsewhere; do you live in Afghanistan?
/r/PurplePillDebate28/06/26 05:36 PM
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I didn't say "turning away"; I said blaming.
/r/PurplePillDebate28/06/26 04:03 PM
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I'm sure some guy bleeding out having had one of his legs blown off in a field in Ukraine would feel a lot better if we reminded him that his plight has been imposed by a man. If someone was talking about the disproportionate about of violence suffered by black people, would you hand-wave it away by saying, "Well, most of that violence is committed by other black people"? No, of course you wouldn't. You wouldn't want to be called racist.
/r/PurplePillDebate28/06/26 03:59 PM
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If women stopped tarring all men with the same brush, blaming non-abusive men for the crimes of abusive men, perhaps we wouldn't question you fantasising about and selecting abusive men.
/r/PurplePillDebate28/06/26 03:51 PM
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That was just my explanation as to why young men might find their stepmothers attractive.
/r/PurplePillDebate28/06/26 03:49 PM
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She asked what the question was and then, with my assistance, went on to answer the question in some detail. How are semantics involved?
/r/PurplePillDebate28/06/26 03:47 PM
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It's not about envy. It's about pointing out the hypocrisy of women complaining about abusive men while fantasising and selecting them.
/r/PurplePillDebate28/06/26 03:41 PM
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Men are treated harsher by the criminal justice system when committing the same crimes even with the same criminal record (USA & UK). Men are far more likely to be the victim of violence. Men are 4x more likely to commit suicide. Men are significantly more likely to die in a workplace accident. Men's suffrage is tied to conscription (USA). Boys have identical work marked lower at school (UK). Men are prevented from fleeing their country if war breaks out (Ukraine). Men are used as child soldiers…
/r/PurplePillDebate28/06/26 03:39 PM
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I'll take your word for it.
/r/PurplePillDebate28/06/26 03:27 PM
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I don't recall talking about depth or lack thereof.
/r/PurplePillDebate28/06/26 03:27 PM
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Oh no, you don't get to "men aren't interested in story" move I just did. you simply jump to hate What exactly have I said that is hateful? I can understand why women like the billionaire psychopath trope. The minotaurs, were-bears and sludge monsters are beyond me, but I don't hate women as a result; I just think it's funny.
/r/PurplePillDebate28/06/26 03:26 PM
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Fantasy is a genre of fiction. I'm not sure what concept you're referring to, other than simple definitions, but if you can explain it in a non-circular fashion, I'd be happy to hear it. Which fictional character are you talking about? Because I can assure you that very few men want to swap heads with a bull or be allergic to garlic.
/r/PurplePillDebate28/06/26 03:21 PM
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Do women not understand that fiction doesn't have to be fantasy?
/r/PurplePillDebate28/06/26 03:11 PM
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I assume he means minotaur
/r/PurplePillDebate28/06/26 03:09 PM
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Speak for yourself.
/r/PurplePillDebate28/06/26 03:04 PM
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Does a man need to be an abusive vampire or gangster to be attractive, confident and competent?
/r/PurplePillDebate28/06/26 03:03 PM
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The difference is that a lot, maybe even most, men skip storylines in porn. We even watch them with no volume if necessary. You can't really read a book and avoid the plot and characterisation. If there was no plot or characterisation, there would be no build-up and tension, and they wouldn't be half as popular.
/r/PurplePillDebate28/06/26 03:00 PM
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For a lot of young men, his stepmum will be the first woman he's not related to that he shares a house with. Which means seeing her in nightwear, maybe even underwear, smelling her, making her laugh perhaps. Nothing is more of an aphrodisiac for men than proximity, and that's amplified when you're an adolescent. Plus you've got the forbidden fruit aspect, as well as the common male desire to emulate, supplant or surpass his father.
/r/PurplePillDebate28/06/26 02:56 PM
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Is femboy not basically gay porn for closeted men? Cuckold is weird - I'll give you that.
/r/PurplePillDebate28/06/26 11:57 AM
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Unless you watch and listen to the story, stepmom is just experienced, forward MILF with young, inexperienced man. Shit-loads of porn watchers are young, inexperienced men.
/r/PurplePillDebate28/06/26 11:54 AM
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porn isn't an indicative of what males truly want in sex It usually is. The most popular porn genres are generally fairly vanilla, because men mostly just want basic sex. should we judge hintai and spicy anime watchers too? Yes. An adult man who watches sexual content involving women who look like children should definitely be judged, hopefully at some point by an actual judge.
/r/PurplePillDebate28/06/26 11:24 AM
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He didn't give the reasoning you gave. While he gave 50 Shades as an example, he didn't explain why it's popular like you did.
/r/PurplePillDebate28/06/26 11:19 AM
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So that would be your answer to the question.
/r/PurplePillDebate28/06/26 11:16 AM
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50 Shades doesn't explain it. It's just an example. Why was it even popular in the first place?
/r/PurplePillDebate28/06/26 11:13 AM
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If you look at the top of the post, you'll see text in a larger font. The question is 'How do you explain the" Dark Romance" Boom?' You can tell its a question because it's followed by a question mark, which looks like this: ? This is an example of punctuation, which can be helpful. First of all, it makes your writing easier to understand. Secondly, it shows you're not a TikTok addict with no education. Hope this helps.
/r/PurplePillDebate28/06/26 11:11 AM
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It's only neutral if you don't make assumptions and prejudge people based on their gender, or any other immutable characteristic.
/r/PurplePillDebate27/06/26 11:26 PM
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They also don't remove value.
/r/PurplePillDebate27/06/26 11:06 PM
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I'm not saying all women should value all men, or even most men. But not valuing any men is dysfunctional.
/r/PurplePillDebate27/06/26 09:53 PM
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I'm sorry you took that as a personal attack. To me, it's just common sense that heterosexual women who haven't been convinced to hate men by past experience or propaganda will value men.
/r/PurplePillDebate27/06/26 05:41 PM
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No, sorry, I meant "if you're not a right wing nutjob, you probably hate Putin". Because MAGA and its overseas equivalents are on Russia's side. As for MRAs in the US, I don't think they have too much power.
/r/PurplePillDebate27/06/26 03:07 PM
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Ridiculous argument. If a female leader - believe it or not, some parts of the world do have them - declares war, does she only send female soldiers? Over the course of history, female leaders have been proportionately more hawkish than males.
/r/PurplePillDebate27/06/26 02:26 PM
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r/AmericanDefaultism
/r/PurplePillDebate27/06/26 02:19 PM
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It's not a fact. If you're not going to quantify, and you're talking about a minority, you shouldn't just say "men". For example, I wouldn't say "women let their husbands unknowingly raise kids who aren't theirs". Instead, I'd say "some women let their husbands unknowingly raise kids who aren't theirs" or "6% of women let their husbands unknowingly raise kids who aren't theirs". I do that because I'm not here to mislead and sensationalise, and I don't have a chip on my shoulder. Perhaps it's jus…
/r/PurplePillDebate27/06/26 02:13 PM
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During the infamous brawl at Manchester Airport, UK, a couple of years ago, a female police officer was punched in the face. She burst into tears and became almost useless, leaving a male officer to deal with the attackers. Obviously, nobody enjoys getting their nose broken, but if you're taken out of a fight by one blow that doesn't actually render you unconscious, you shouldn't be a front-line cop.
/r/PurplePillDebate27/06/26 02:05 PM
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As long as we're not including right wing nutjobs, Putin is perhaps the most hated man in the western world. There's plenty of outrage about him already. People can be pissed off about more than one thing, though.
/r/PurplePillDebate27/06/26 01:59 PM
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It would still highlight the increase if you avoided the sensationalist language of a tabloid journalist. "DV against women increases by 35% when they outearn their male partners" is factual and measured. "Men start physically beating women when they're outearned" is inflammatory and intellectually-dishonest.
/r/PurplePillDebate27/06/26 01:51 PM
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Believe it or not, some women like men. They're heterosexual and not bitter or indoctrinated.
/r/PurplePillDebate27/06/26 01:45 PM
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According to your own study, there's a 35% rise in DV when women outearn men. If the original figure for Australia (that's your source's origin) is 25%, a 35% increase would elevate the 25% to 33%. Meaning your statement is misleading, because 67% of women don't start getting physically beaten. You should amend it to either "some" or, if you want to be precise, 33% of men. TIA.
/r/PurplePillDebate27/06/26 01:42 PM
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You can just date a man if that's what you want lmao Homophobia on my male vs female sub? Are you aware that people don't choose their sexuality? Meaning, no, he can't "just date a man".
/r/PurplePillDebate27/06/26 11:59 AM
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Emotional intelligence is a made-up term. All terms are made-up; they don't materialise out of thin air. Even the words that combine to create these terms are made-up.
/r/PurplePillDebate27/06/26 10:45 AM
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80/20 is nonsense. If you see 10 random men, are you honestly going to find 2 of them attractive? It's more like 95/5 for straight women, but the 5% is different for each individual. Then you've got the "all women are beautiful; nearly all men are ugly" closeted bisexuals, for whom it's 99/1.
/r/PurplePillDebate27/06/26 10:38 AM
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It doesn't matter how many other women agree with you. Most of the world thinks a magical man in the clouds created everything, but that doesn't make it true.
/r/PurplePillDebate27/06/26 06:32 AM
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An English-speaking person could say that in their opinion, the word banana doesn't mean a tropical yellow fruit; it means laser beam instead. Would you respond to them by saying, "sure, that's fine", or would you say, "stop being ridiculous - bananas are not laser beams"?
/r/PurplePillDebate27/06/26 06:02 AM
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Large parts of the manosphere are extremely toxic, sadly. They just make things harder for men.
/r/PurplePillDebate27/06/26 05:53 AM
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Yeah, I don't believe in punching down on anyone. Fat women and tattooed women don't bother me anyway, and although I'd prefer not to date a single mum, I wouldn't talk shit about them.
/r/PurplePillDebate27/06/26 05:45 AM
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Rape and murder are not dating per se. They can happen during dating, but so can issues that primarily affect men, like paternity fraud and false accusations, and I wouldn't consider them a part of dating either.
/r/PurplePillDebate27/06/26 05:40 AM
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If I were dating, I would want just one thing. I wouldn't argue for women to dole out pity sex, or give unattractive men a chance, or settle for a man they don't desire. I'd simply want for women to accept that, with regards to dating, men have it harder. Not "women have different dating problems, but they're just as bad as men's", not "well, your great-great-great-grandfather treated women as property, so you should suffer", not "women get raped and killed - conversation over!" Just admit you'r…
/r/PurplePillDebate26/06/26 11:16 PM
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Sewage workers, bus drivers, janitors... do they think they are respected for their contribution to society? Are they as valued as a pretty woman?
/r/PurplePillDebate26/06/26 10:55 PM
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Of course we do. Everybody does.
/r/PurplePillDebate26/06/26 10:47 PM
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Complaining about chore distribution is usually just a deflection tactic for women who can no longer stomach duty sex with the men they settled for.
/r/PurplePillDebate26/06/26 07:21 PM
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Autism is disproportionately prevalent amongst PPD women, and autistic people are often less conformist. IRL, most women still want to have children at some point. Any reluctance is generally due to financial pressures, not an innate distaste towards maternity or men
/r/PurplePillDebate26/06/26 07:15 PM
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It's not that average women will look horrible without makeup; the argument is that some women who are supposedly extremely beautiful would be average without makeup. Average men would still them attractive, though.
/r/PurplePillDebate26/06/26 04:46 PM
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It comes from hearing women talking about men. That's what we're supposed to do, remember - listen to women.
/r/PurplePillDebate26/06/26 03:45 PM
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Arrogance is just confidence from someone you're not attracted to.
/r/PurplePillDebate26/06/26 03:44 PM
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Most men don't watch rape porn. Literature targetted at women is too problematic to be used as a coaching guide for young men.
/r/PurplePillDebate26/06/26 02:50 PM
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Of course it changes it. You said "so many women you don't even think about", but it's less than half. And I bet most of the women who don't have it are deliberately going out of their way to avoid men, due to bad past experiences, constant anti-male propaganda or both.
/r/PurplePillDebate26/06/26 02:19 PM
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This would be a good point if it wasn't for men thinking roughly 50% of women are cute, compared to women thinking roughly 5% of men are cute.
/r/PurplePillDebate26/06/26 01:56 PM
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Men and women aren't the same and get forgiven for different things. When a woman's hormonal and having a bad day in the office, and she bursts into tears in front of everyone, people will be sympathetic. If a man does the same, he'll get apathy at best and suspicion at worst. A woman slapping a man in public might get a few laughs, but if you reverse the genders, the reaction from the public will be a lot more hostile. On the other hand, a promiscuous woman will be shamed a lot more frequently …
/r/PurplePillDebate25/06/26 11:17 PM
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She gets more criticism from the right for lying about her virginity than Trump does for raping kids because MAGA don't care if a rich white man is a paedophile as long as he's their rich white man.
/r/PurplePillDebate25/06/26 11:00 PM
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No worries. She almost died from sepsis a couple of years ago, so it could be a lot worse. I've always got my trusty right hand to fall back on.
/r/PurplePillDebate25/06/26 09:26 PM
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She can't help it. She had to have a full hysterectomy due to a uterine fibroid that gave her sepsis, which almost killed her. I'm just glad she's still alive. To be honest, I was relieved it was only the menopause causing it, because I'd started to worry that she was emotionally checking out and losing attraction.
/r/PurplePillDebate25/06/26 08:57 PM
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There's an issue with her blood (high platelet count) which means she can't go on HRT.
/r/PurplePillDebate25/06/26 08:51 PM
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Use the old "it's not you, it's me" tactic. Admit that you're like a wizard's sleeve down there, and they'll probably be glad they dodged a bullet.
/r/PurplePillDebate25/06/26 06:45 PM
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If you only ever eat rice and beans, with no fruit, vegetables or fats, you're not going to be very healthy. And you'll be pretty miserable.
/r/PurplePillDebate25/06/26 03:08 PM
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45 year of age 1 attempt (my wife) Menopause-fuelled rejection. That's what I'm telling myself, anyway
/r/PurplePillDebate25/06/26 02:27 PM
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Under-socialised and afraid of drink and drugs for some bizarre reason. I'm ugly, autistic as fuck and still managed to get laid and eventually married because I used alcohol to mask. I'd still be a virgin now otherwise.
/r/PurplePillDebate25/06/26 02:25 PM
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Lilith's posts aren't what we deserve, but what we need right now.
/r/PurplePillDebate25/06/26 02:13 PM
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It's like telling a poor person to eat more healthily
/r/PurplePillDebate25/06/26 12:51 PM
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https://preview.redd.it/d6kph93mta9h1.jpeg?width=1080&format=pjpg&auto=webp&s=caf7a4424f1ff99b8c8453e517ba0bcd8b315c40
/r/PurplePillDebate24/06/26 09:29 PM
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I'm 6'3 and built like a brick shithouse. The only thing I'm confident about is being bigger than 95% of other men.
/r/PurplePillDebate24/06/26 09:26 PM
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It wasn't even a question. My single comment said you must either know shit men or find other men invisible. You first replied that you were basing your assessment on PPD men. Then you replied again, to the same comment "if the shoe fits". To clarify, you replied to the same single comment (not question) with 2 separate answers that contradicted each other.
/r/PurplePillDebate24/06/26 09:24 PM
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Like this.
/r/PurplePillDebate24/06/26 09:19 PM
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You answered the same question with 2 different answers. You replied to one comment twice. I'm not sure how else to explain it.
/r/PurplePillDebate24/06/26 09:18 PM
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You've replied twice to the same comment. Which comment represents your true feelings? Is it the one above, or the one where you said you were basing your assessment on PPD men?
/r/PurplePillDebate24/06/26 09:04 PM
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Confidence can be learned It can be faked. If faking works and leads to positive outcomes then real confidence can be the result, so it's less of an learning process and more of a metamorphosis.
/r/PurplePillDebate24/06/26 08:48 PM
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I used to be in excellent shape and always wore fitted clothes, but I wasn't confident. To be honest, I think this might be a cultural thing. Where I'm from, being understated and self-effacing is more appreciated.
/r/PurplePillDebate24/06/26 08:36 PM
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That's not my experience. Maybe brash, cocky men like brash, cocky women, but it doesn't impress me. Having a backbone is different - you can be reserved and humble but still willing to stand up for what you believe and unwilling to be walked over.
/r/PurplePillDebate24/06/26 08:32 PM
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Not really. Most of the time, these days, I'm with my wife and 2 grown-up kids. When I used to spend time with friends, they were generally men who also liked drinking and football. Mostly who I went to school with.
/r/PurplePillDebate24/06/26 08:27 PM
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There's a bit more to confidence than that, though. If showing skin means confidence, then virtually every single woman I've seen today must be confident (we have a heatwave at the moment). Frequently making eye contact, which is how most women I've known have shown attraction, is a pretty low bar too. This just confirms how much more is expected of men when it comes to confidence, because wearing a tight-fitting shirt and saying "you're sexy" would not suffice for a man.
/r/PurplePillDebate24/06/26 08:24 PM
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It's just not an attribute that impresses me. If someone's confident because they're good at something in particular, then that's fine, but being confident for the sake of it? No, thanks. I prefer humility.
/r/PurplePillDebate24/06/26 07:38 PM
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I try not to let PPD women affect my opinion of women in general.
/r/PurplePillDebate24/06/26 06:53 PM
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It sounds like you only know shit men, or more likely many of us are invisible to you.
/r/PurplePillDebate24/06/26 06:35 PM
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Point 5 is very USA-centric. Conservatives where I'm from are either posh ponces, rabid racists, old men, religious nutjobs, or all of the above. But they're definitely not seen as more masculine.
/r/PurplePillDebate24/06/26 06:13 PM
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You're barking up the wrong tree. I'd take a pleasant 6/10 over a 9/10 bitch any day of the week.
/r/PurplePillDebate24/06/26 05:48 PM
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We might as well not talk about anything then
/r/PurplePillDebate24/06/26 04:29 PM
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Yes, men interact with confident men, but is it preferable to interacting with unconfident men? It doesn't make a difference to me; I tend to judge other men on how clever and witty they are, and how many interests we have in common. The most confident man I know, my brother-in-law, is a pain in the arse.
/r/PurplePillDebate24/06/26 04:26 PM
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If a woman makes the first move, that's confidence. Responding to an approach requires very little confidence in comparison. Thinking that it's in any way comparable speaks volumes. Girls don't need to be "hot" or bubbly to get attention, and there's a massive difference between not being bubbly and being a bitch. A bitch is deliberately unpleasant to people; a woman can be perfectly pleasant and interesting to talk to without being the life and soul of the party.
/r/PurplePillDebate24/06/26 04:18 PM
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It's fairly obvious. Confidence is preferable from a young age, so naturally confident boys will find success, and their confidence will grow as a result. Boys who aren't naturally confident won't find success, and their confidence will remain low. If women became 5% more beautiful every time they got a new boyfriend or got laid, the effect would be similar.
/r/PurplePillDebate24/06/26 04:00 PM
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confidence has always been something everyone likes If by "everyone" you mean "women". Confidence is neither here nor there for most men.
/r/PurplePillDebate24/06/26 03:55 PM
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Radical feminism is about revenge and supremacy, not equality.
/r/PurplePillDebate24/06/26 03:40 PM
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I'm acknowledging the difference. A beholder who's in love will probably perceive their partner as being more beautiful than they objectively are.
/r/PurplePillDebate24/06/26 01:47 PM
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Yeah, it's virtually never the best looking man, because at some point, even women who typically don't do casual sex will fall for the wiles of the local deadbeat player who's slept with 500 women but lives on his friends' sofas
/r/PurplePillDebate24/06/26 11:49 AM
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INFO: are you talking about PPD men, or men in general?
/r/PurplePillDebate24/06/26 11:28 AM
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I did say "objectively", so while it's great you feel that way, and I commend your decision to wait, your assessment doesn't refute my point.
/r/PurplePillDebate24/06/26 10:00 AM
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You're welcome. I did say objectively, and, of course, beauty is in the eye of the beholder.
/r/PurplePillDebate24/06/26 09:30 AM
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It's not true. Generally speaking, men settle down with the most objectively attractive woman they ever have sex with. Women end up with the least objectively attractive man they ever have sex with.
/r/PurplePillDebate24/06/26 09:25 AM
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She would sit there and agree And she'd probably share some lube recommendations.
/r/PurplePillDebate24/06/26 04:40 AM
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It was a joke reply to the person asking if it only applies to sex.
/r/PurplePillDebate23/06/26 05:08 PM
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I think I've seen her being right twice. I was so shocked that I commented just to congratulate. She relies heavily on motte and bailey tactics: at first she says she's talking about all men, and then it's proven that she's over-generalising, she admits she's talking about a few PPD men and some idiots she's seen on YouTube.
/r/PurplePillDebate23/06/26 11:06 AM
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Even a broken clock is right twice a day
/r/PurplePillDebate23/06/26 10:48 AM
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If there was a "hating the opposite gender" championship, you'd be winner every year. You need to get help before you commit some sort of crime.
/r/PurplePillDebate23/06/26 09:31 AM
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It's an apex fallacy. Unattractive count towards the "most men are chopped" theme, but they'll automatically have additional undesirable characteristics assigned to them, like the ones mentioned in the OP (emotionally unavailable, unwilling to settle down). Even though there's no way of knowing if they're true from a couple of photos and a few tidbits of info. It's essentially post-hoc rationalisation. Women push the narrative that looks aren't everything, and simply admitting that they find mos…
/r/PurplePillDebate23/06/26 07:47 AM
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It would make a good Cosmopolitan article - "Your Partner's Dinner-Date Choice And What It Means" - if anyone even still reads that.
/r/PurplePillDebate23/06/26 07:22 AM
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women are taught to people please see hard Are you from the 1950s?
/r/PurplePillDebate23/06/26 06:50 AM
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Usually when trying stuff out. This post, though, is proof of how disingenuous some people are on here. Straightaway, they have to jump to the worst possible conclusion and accuse men of the worst things. "I bet you wanted anal, even though she tried it once and almost died, but you still wanted to force it on her, you evil monster!" These people don't want a discussion. They just want an excuse to paint themselves as victims and men as predators, or as pathetically insecure. It doesn't have to …
/r/PurplePillDebate23/06/26 06:32 AM
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"Maybe we should eat at that new Thai place?" "No. It looks bad" "We could just give it a try" leaves and initiates divorce, ending 15 year marriage and separating father from 3 children
/r/PurplePillDebate23/06/26 05:18 AM
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That's happening up and down this thread, except with women complaining about imaginary men and imaginary coercion. Obviously, some women have an actual true story to tell, but most of the unhinged ones are just getting angry about strawman.
/r/PurplePillDebate23/06/26 05:05 AM
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we're getting a bit off-topic That is by design. Every time this topic comes up, it gets changed to, "Oh, so you want to coerce women into painful, degrading sex acts? You're a monster!" This kind of hysteria and hyperbole allows women to reclaim victimhood and avoid facing uncomfortable truths.
/r/PurplePillDebate23/06/26 05:02 AM
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Nobody specifically told me it was better for women. But I've only ever seen women recommend it, and I've only ever seen men deride it. Maybe there's another reason for that; I don't know. I've just given up on it now. The last time I spoke to my local mental health services team, I told them CBT didn't work, and they said they'd look into what else is available. 2 weeks later, they contacted me to offer CBT again, and said it's the only thing they can offer. They've increased my medication dose…
/r/PurplePillDebate22/06/26 08:03 PM
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Yes, I was prescribed medication. I've been taking SSRIs and SNRIs for over 20 years. When I said navel-gazing, I wasn't talking about CBT. I was talking about the traditional counselling style, where you talk about your problems, and the problems are analysed. I have been for CBT, which was different. It didn't work for me, but I can see how it could be effective for others. Because it involves concrete strategies, whereas the other talking therapies I've had in the past just seemed like an opp…
/r/PurplePillDebate22/06/26 07:02 PM
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Psychological therapist, that's how they were described. The doctor diagnosed depression; that's what in my medical history. They asked questions about things that bother me; I answered. They tried to give me other perspectives and suggested my conclusions weren't necessarily accurate. It was a long time ago.
/r/PurplePillDebate22/06/26 05:03 PM
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Where I live, it's called "talking therapy", though at the time it was described as "counselling". I didn't seek a therapist; I was referred to one by my doctor. Several times. Once more, rather than trying to pick holes in my story and being pedantic over word choice, why not just accept my account? If you told me, "I had therapy that was very effective, and I've spoken to people who've also had successful therapy", I'd respond with, "Great, I'm glad it worked better for you than it did for me"…
/r/PurplePillDebate22/06/26 04:48 PM
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Yes, CBT can help with that. At the risk of repeating myself, I'm not talking about CBT. I think you know what I mean.
/r/PurplePillDebate22/06/26 04:37 PM
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Even in places where men don't have access to guns, the suicide rate is far higher. And guns don't have to be that messy anyway - a shot to the heart will kill just as efficiently as a headshot, and it won't prevent an open casket. I'm trying my best not to offend, but if someone tells people they're going to kill themselves and uses the least effective means of doing so, are they fully determined to kill themselves? The only woman I know who actually committed suicide waited until her family ha…
/r/PurplePillDebate22/06/26 04:05 PM
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Unless a woman is besotted by a man, she's generally looking for excuses to dump him.
/r/PurplePillDebate22/06/26 03:20 PM
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OK. When I say "talk therapy", I mean the navel gazing stuff. Talking about the time your mum didn't come to your football game, or your ex cheating on you, or whatever. I've done both types.
/r/PurplePillDebate22/06/26 03:17 PM
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They're desperate for women. Not women they can buy dinner for. I assume the thinking is that if they're going to have to pay anyway, they might as well do it with a younger, more attractive woman who doesn't spend the whole date banging on about the patriarchy.
/r/PurplePillDebate22/06/26 10:43 AM
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Another facet that usually gets ignored is the hormonal difference. Men's hormones are generally stable, but women become far more desirous for sex when ovulating, which is only a short period of time, once every 4 weeks or so. But when they're self-reporting, I reckon at least some of them are talking solely about their ovulation period, not the month as a whole. Which makes it seem like women's libidos are actually higher than they are.
/r/PurplePillDebate22/06/26 09:11 AM
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Something like the first link you sent but with more than a busful of respondents.
/r/PurplePillDebate22/06/26 06:22 AM
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I think talking therapy is inherently more effective with women. Women rely more on verbalising their thoughts than men; they care more about "being seen" and understood, but men want their problem to be fixed. Techniques like CBT can be better for men, though. If you're such a strong supporter of existing mental health treatments for men, why is the male suicide rate so high despite male participation in mental health services being greater than ever before?
/r/PurplePillDebate22/06/26 06:21 AM
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I didn't assume that; I said it sounds like you are. But if I'm right, the recent rise in racist sentiment is, IMO, due to the likes of Reform and Restore, but also foreign manipulators like Russia and the USA.
/r/PurplePillDebate22/06/26 06:05 AM
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Maybe we wouldn't need a men's mental health month if there was a treatment designed to help men, rather than a clone of the one used for women. Imagine if gynaecology was based on the male reproductive system. Would you be happy with that?
/r/PurplePillDebate21/06/26 11:03 PM
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I'll check those sources, but the URL text doesn't look promising for number 2 and 3. And I didn't say it was me and my buddies. I've heard far more than 89 men complain about therapy. Nice womansplaining, though. Update - as suspected, sources 2 and 3 are useless. 2 is from a psychology college so is obviously biased. 3 is a medical firm who sell therapy services.
/r/PurplePillDebate21/06/26 09:58 PM
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The point of it is to help women. When men are the patients, the point is to make money. If helping men was the aim, they wouldn't talk to us like we're women. BTW, your source involved a study on 89 patients. If it's the best you can find, that says more than I could ever say.
/r/PurplePillDebate21/06/26 09:41 PM
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I've been to a lot of therapy, and I've spoken to plenty of men who have as well.
/r/PurplePillDebate21/06/26 09:35 PM
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Depends where you are.
/r/PurplePillDebate21/06/26 09:30 PM
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Therapy is significantly less effective for men. Partly because most therapists are female; partly because talking about emotions for talking's sake doesn't have the same benefits for a lot of men.
/r/PurplePillDebate21/06/26 09:30 PM
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But a lot of men here have the 'tism so the way they struggle with social interaction on top of how hard it already is Including me. But I had a few ONS as a young man, and I found a woman, got married and had kids. The secret ingredient was alcohol, which transformed me from a shy introvert into someone who could actually take the initiative and approach women. Gen Z doesn't want to hear that, though.
/r/PurplePillDebate21/06/26 09:23 PM
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It sounds like you live in the UK. And it's a shame you feel like there's a lot of racism in your town, but we know who's to blame for that. That said, thinking that only a small number of men are desirable is quite a red pill, or even black pill belief. Blue pill women usually say that although they don't find many men desirable, other women have different tastes, meaning that most men can be desirable to somebody. When you say there's not enough desirable men go around, that sounds like 80/20.
/r/PurplePillDebate21/06/26 08:40 PM
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What percentage of men are desirable, in your opinion?
/r/PurplePillDebate21/06/26 08:21 PM
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Maybe hetero women don't desire men in general as much as men desire them. But if a woman doesn't desire the man she's with as much as he desires her, either she's asexual, low-libido or she's settled for him.
/r/PurplePillDebate21/06/26 07:51 PM
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Women, not woman. They talk about how useless men are, how dangerous, how immoral, how ugly etc. Incels make it clear that they hate women with their words. Radfems make it clear that they hate men with their words. They're 2 cheeks of the same arse.
/r/PurplePillDebate21/06/26 06:49 PM
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Nothing wrong with that because he was your boyfriend. Expecting a stranger to buy you gifts isn't the same thing.
/r/PurplePillDebate21/06/26 06:44 PM
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I doubt we'll ever know.
/r/PurplePillDebate21/06/26 06:43 PM
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I'm saying there's 2 types of women: a) women who are 100% heterosexual; b) women who are not 100%. Women who want men as much as men want them are part of group A. Women who don't want men as much as men want them are in group B. But both groups are still women.
/r/PurplePillDebate21/06/26 06:42 PM
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That sounds like you're settling for him, which is a recipe for disaster. Have you honestly never met a man who you liked as much or even more than he liked you?
/r/PurplePillDebate21/06/26 04:55 PM
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Either way, using other people for sex or free food is not good behaviour. Stupid is maybe the wrong word; immoral probably fits better.
/r/PurplePillDebate21/06/26 04:54 PM
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It's somebody who hates men. If a man said he hates all women apart from his wife, would you call him a misogynist?
/r/PurplePillDebate21/06/26 04:52 PM
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Are you saying lesbians, bi-sexuals, asexuals and low libido women are not women?
/r/PurplePillDebate21/06/26 04:41 PM
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There are misandrists on here who are actually married, so they're doing a very bad job of avoiding men.
/r/PurplePillDebate21/06/26 04:40 PM
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Because it's not equal.
/r/PurplePillDebate21/06/26 04:39 PM
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I've got sex after buying a couple of drinks. It's nothing to boast about.
/r/PurplePillDebate21/06/26 04:38 PM
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They are also pathetic.
/r/PurplePillDebate21/06/26 02:47 PM
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You said that people who generalise women are the most pathetic people on Earth. I was pointing out that there are people who are a lot more pathetic than that.
/r/PurplePillDebate21/06/26 02:33 PM
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fragile, pathetic human specimen on the planet Wait until you find out about child murderers and molesters
/r/PurplePillDebate21/06/26 02:23 PM
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A lot of those benefits depend on location and the woman's mentality. Companionship/staving off loneliness is fairly beneficial across the board, admittedly, but it's not always positive; some involves nagging and criticism, or even abuse. Support and emotional regulation will only be available if the woman is extremely progressive and western. Domestic work and regular sex are only guaranteed if the woman is traditional or non-western. Disclaimer: obviously, these are generalisations, but we us…
/r/PurplePillDebate21/06/26 02:21 PM
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Some do, yes. But when those actions are literally just writing words, they speak just as loudly as the words written.
/r/PurplePillDebate21/06/26 12:51 PM
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I didn't say it was a big deal.
/r/PurplePillDebate21/06/26 12:38 PM
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I'm not trying to prove whatever that is. You are trying to prove something, and to do so you'll need more than one isolated case. Take your time.
/r/PurplePillDebate21/06/26 11:58 AM
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While I'm no expert on American healthcare, isn't it unfair to compare NIH funding for endometriosis to venture funding for baldness? Correct me if I'm wrong, but wouldn't NIH funding come from the public purse, and venture funding would be donated privately?
/r/LeftWingMaleAdvocates21/06/26 11:56 AM
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It's a fact that one case proves nothing.
/r/PurplePillDebate21/06/26 11:48 AM
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OK, but one case proves nothing.
/r/PurplePillDebate21/06/26 11:08 AM
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women do not want men as badly as the other way around Lesbians, bisexual, asexual and low libido women. There's nothing wrong with being any of those, but if you are, you shouldn't project your attitude onto women in general.
/r/PurplePillDebate21/06/26 11:01 AM
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No. I'm just wondering why you pointed it out.
/r/PurplePillDebate21/06/26 10:49 AM
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So you don't think misogynists go on dates?
/r/PurplePillDebate21/06/26 10:43 AM
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Pretty stupid to expect free food and drinks from a stranger
/r/PurplePillDebate21/06/26 09:02 AM
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the benefits of dating a woman are that immense What are these immense benefits, out of interest?
/r/PurplePillDebate21/06/26 08:59 AM
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Why is body count preference classed as misogynistic, but expecting the man to pay instead of the woman is not classed as misandristic? Both are hypocritical.
/r/PurplePillDebate21/06/26 08:56 AM
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Those men are talking nonsense.
/r/PurplePillDebate21/06/26 05:56 AM
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As it should be. We also have 2 kids, and my wife was out of work for 12 years with them, as both are disabled, one of them severely so. Although raising them has been significantly more difficult than average, neither my wife nor I would talk about having children in the negative tone used by so many people on here.
/r/PurplePillDebate21/06/26 05:39 AM
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A man was found guilty of doing the same thing to a woman, so what's your point?
/r/PurplePillDebate20/06/26 11:57 PM
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Women are constrained by laws too. Would women start stealing and killing if those laws didn't exist?
/r/PurplePillDebate20/06/26 04:39 PM
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You don't really think this is somehow equivalent It's about as equal as someone starving to death, literally wasting away and dangerously underweight vs someone who's got lots to eat, but the vast majority is junk food, and a small percentage is lethally poisonous. Neither situation is healthy, but the former is far more likely to kill than the latter. Which is why the male suicide rate is higher than the female suicide rate and femicide figures put together.
/r/PurplePillDebate20/06/26 01:07 PM
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She's obviously frigid. He's obviously a loser.
/r/PurplePillDebate19/06/26 08:09 PM
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I have an 18 year old daughter. I've warned her that some men are dangerous, and I've probably exaggerated the risk, because I'd rather she be too cautious than not cautious enough. Either way, your comment makes no sense. You say we warn our daughters (women), but we don't want women to know. So which is it?
/r/PurplePillDebate19/06/26 07:53 PM
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It's pointless trying to discuss this with the women of PPD. Not only are a alarming amount of them rabidly child-free, but they also project this onto other women by acting as though there are zero benefits of being a mother. In the real world, most women love kids and want some of their own. On here, kids are imposed on women by evil patriarchy. It's worth remembering that a disproportionate number of PPD women are autistic. When you bear that in mind, this place starts to make sense. For the …
/r/PurplePillDebate19/06/26 07:19 PM
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Sounds like they deserve each other.
/r/PurplePillDebate19/06/26 06:19 PM
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Yeah, it's far from perfect. I'd have never met my wife without it, but I ended up with a major drink problem that took years to beat.
/r/PurplePillDebate19/06/26 04:03 PM
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This is where one of man's oldest inventions comes in handy: alcohol. If you're introverted, or even mildly autistic, booze will cure your ills.
/r/PurplePillDebate19/06/26 09:41 AM
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You have neither the means nor motive. Some women definitely have the motive, but maybe not the means. And why would you want to do to all current men what a minority of men in the past did? If a 25 year-old Jewish man decided to kill all present day Germans because of the Nazis' crimes, would you think that acceptable? Or if an African-American started executing white people because of the slave trade, would you support them?
/r/PurplePillDebate19/06/26 08:34 AM
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I was implying photos of a holiday involving a man and a woman may be of an explicit nature, and that the left behind partner of said woman might not appreciate them. It was a joke.
/r/PurplePillDebate18/06/26 09:41 PM
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Call me when you can and send photos I'm not sure I'd want photos
/r/PurplePillDebate18/06/26 08:53 PM
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You could always ask get to record plenty of footage so you don't feel left out.
/r/PurplePillDebate18/06/26 08:49 PM
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if women gain cultural, political, or institutional power without developing self-knowledge, they could also become oppressive toward men Oppression is only possible with the implicit threat of violence. While individual women are more than capable of being violent, can they organise and militarise? Apart from this single point, which was only a suggestion in any case, this was an interesting read.
/r/PurplePillDebate18/06/26 08:42 PM
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Yeah, I reckon there is some truth in that. But when I attempt home improvement-type work, I'm just as likely to infuriate my wife by fucking something up beyond repair, so it's a double-edged sword.
/r/PurplePillDebate18/06/26 01:58 PM
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I probably would find it flattering if a young woman was interested in me, but also a bit weird. I'd assume she had daddy issues and bad eyesight. And I'm not immune to the attraction of a young woman, but I always feel a bit disgusted with myself. Especially as my daughter gets older. I won't disagree that young men tend to look for the wrong thing. Obviously I was young once too, and would frequently be attracted to women who weren't with whom I wasn't compatible. Luckily, I met my wife when I…
/r/PurplePillDebate18/06/26 01:56 PM
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Thank you. I don't mind doing more, because I'm more physically capable, but it'd be nice if it came with extra benefits.
/r/PurplePillDebate18/06/26 12:01 PM
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Recently, it's been health issues. Before that, stress, as we have a severely disabled child. And yes, I do more than my fair share of parenting and always have done. Personally, for various reasons (not just my responses here) I put it down to settling and lack of attraction. Which is the main reason I'm on this sub, really. I don't believe in government-issued girlfriends, AWALT or most red pill stuff, though I also take issue with the blatant misandry that's becoming more prevalent these days…
/r/PurplePillDebate18/06/26 11:52 AM
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I nailed that one too. Doesn't make any difference.
/r/PurplePillDebate18/06/26 11:18 AM
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I think a lot of the above depends on which men you're talking to. I'm mid 40s, and I would frankly be flabbergasted to hear that a young woman found me attractive. All I really care about is my wife finding me attractive. Similarly, while I'm sure there are plenty of inexperienced, idiotic men who only see value in physical attractiveness, most men who've actually been in relationships understand that there's a lot more to consider. If I were single now, I'd prefer to be with an objective 6/10 …
/r/PurplePillDebate18/06/26 10:58 AM
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Chores are easy, though. They can be time-consuming and tiring, but they don't require skill or competency.
/r/PurplePillDebate18/06/26 10:45 AM
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The more chores a man does, the less attractive he becomes.
/r/PurplePillDebate18/06/26 10:42 AM
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This is bullshit. Statistics show that more egalitarian couples have less sex. Anecdotally, my wife is less likely to put out since I started doing the majority of chores, 10 years ago.
/r/PurplePillDebate18/06/26 10:38 AM
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Do older women not want younger men to find them attractive? I'm not saying being part of 50% is special. If you read again, you'll see I said the 50% is just the physical bar. Men still consider other factors once the physical attractiveness threshold has been achieved. I'm not "harping on" it; I was just explaining why I misunderstood you.
/r/PurplePillDebate18/06/26 10:25 AM
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Also, you guys suffer from Madonna whore complex Very few men suffer from Madonna-Whore Complex. M-W is when men struggle to sexualise a woman once they get married or enter a committed relationship, even though they had no trouble sexualising the same woman before marriage/commitment, nor do they have difficulty sexualising other women if being unfaithful. It's not the same as pursuing certain women for sex and other women for committed relationships. M-W involves seeing the same woman differen…
/r/PurplePillDebate18/06/26 09:42 AM
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You don't know what you're talking about, because I can find a 20 year old attractive, and I can also find a 60 year old attractive. You're relying on a hackneyed stereotype of men. This isn't all your fault; a lot of men on PPD do claim they only find young women attractive. But you're also believing what you want to believe, as it suits your argument. Even if men do disqualify a large number of women, we're nowhere near as harsh. I didn't mention fairness once. We don't expect to be the 5th mo…
/r/PurplePillDebate18/06/26 05:53 AM
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I meant 10 single men of a suitable age. I wasn't including 90 year olds and married or partnered men. If a man sees 10 single women of a suitable age, he'll probably find 5 of them attractive. Why would I be having a pity party? I'm married, so I can look at this dispassionately. You've incorrectly assumed I'm some bitter incel. When did I say "the 5th most attractive man on Earth"? I said her "5th choice". Do you honestly believe you can choose from every man on Earth? Talk about delusion and …
/r/PurplePillDebate17/06/26 09:06 PM
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OK, sorry. Radfem logic.
/r/PurplePillDebate17/06/26 08:23 PM
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Do you realise that most relationships don't involve abuse? And even when they do, 30% of the time it's the woman who's the abuser. You talk like every relationship ends up with a beaten or bullied woman. I'm sorry if that's been the case with you, but it's not the norm.
/r/PurplePillDebate17/06/26 08:22 PM
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That's a weird of spelling, "We take our frustrations out on the unattractive men but say nothing to the attractive men because we still want to fuck them".
/r/PurplePillDebate17/06/26 07:40 PM
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So somebody who says "I've never hurt anyone, so I shouldn't be included" is just as dangerous as a convicted rapist and murderer? If that's female logic, it's no wonder you don't see the red flags with psychos, abusers and fuck-bois.
/r/PurplePillDebate17/06/26 05:38 PM
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That's not what average means. You could have a group of 100 men, and their average height might be 5"9.5. But there could quite easily not be a single man within that group who is that height.
/r/PurplePillDebate17/06/26 03:36 PM
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my pussy IS NOT an equal opportunity employer Eww. Nobody asked.
/r/PurplePillDebate17/06/26 03:19 PM
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You're right, OP. Obsessing about something - posting about it everyday without fail, for example - is unhealthy.
/r/PurplePillDebate17/06/26 03:13 PM
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people who go out and do those things are obviously worse than those who merely fantasize about them You'd think so. But apparently the men who objected to being labeled as more dangerous than bears are the reason men are more dangerous than bears. Not the men who assault women. That's what I was repeatedly told by bots women, anyway.
/r/PurplePillDebate17/06/26 03:08 PM
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I think it's more of a protest against the fact that abusive men are selected at all. No sane man is claiming that good men are never selected.
/r/PurplePillDebate17/06/26 02:59 PM
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"We lose our sons, we lose our husbands, we lose our brothers" - and those sons, brothers and husbands are all of which gender?
/r/LeftWingMaleAdvocates17/06/26 02:45 PM
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The "someone she's attracted to" is already ruling out a huge proportion of men, though. If you see ten men in a day, how many of those will you find physically attractive? 1? 2, perhaps? Or more likely 0. The remaining 10% then have to be compatible in numerous different ways, to the extent that you're filtering out >99% in the end. At that point, you're insisting on prime steak. I see your point re settling. Somebody has to settle, in the end, though. And IMO, it should be men. A man can be wi…
/r/PurplePillDebate17/06/26 02:31 PM
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If someone refuses to settle for anyone but the ideal, they can't really complain about being lonely. It's like somebody saying they're hungry but refusing to eat anything other than prime steak. I don't think women should settle, BTW. That leads to unhappiness, both for the woman and the man she settles for. I think woman would be happier if their standards weren't as high, but there's no way they can lower their standards without settling for less than they think they deserve. And I can't see …
/r/PurplePillDebate17/06/26 11:31 AM
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I think the reasoning behind the perceived disparity in loneliness - though I'm not sure if it's true - is that women are not truly alone. They tend to have more friends, and while they might not have committed partners, they're more likely to be involved in situationships. These relationships don't fully shield them from loneliness, but I suppose it's better years without so much as a peck on the cheek. Also, with women their loneliness is deemed as voluntary. We're constantly being told that w…
/r/PurplePillDebate17/06/26 06:57 AM
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Agreed. People who talk about not needing their partner want to appear strong and self-sufficient, but to me they just look soulless and robotic. As though if they split up, or their partner died, they'd just be a little disappointed, like their favourite TV show was cancelled. To me, if you don't need someone, you don't love them. If losing them doesn't break something in you, the bond between you is weak. Which is fine - most relationships doesn't last anyway. On here, it's usually women echoi…
/r/PurplePillDebate17/06/26 06:22 AM
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That's understandable, and I wouldn't protest if that sentiment was reserved for men like those. But if you have a look at the other replies to me, you've got somebody saying "men aren't lonely enough" because some men expect blowjobs but don't reciprocate. Sure, those men are selfish, and their selfishness should be corrected, but should men as a whole suffer loneliness because some men are shitty? I hate the tendency to just use "men" instead of "some men" or even "most men". To me it seems di…
/r/PurplePillDebate17/06/26 06:02 AM
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Honestly, it baffles me how in many areas, the US is the advanced country on Earth, but when it comes to religion, it's basically mediaeval.
/r/PurplePillDebate17/06/26 05:27 AM
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Nobody does being offended better than religious people.
/r/PurplePillDebate16/06/26 10:14 PM
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I've got nothing to say about the overall premise of the post, but it's funny watching Americans arguing about fairy story lore.
/r/PurplePillDebate16/06/26 09:03 PM
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I've known many charismatic people. One of my best friends as a younger man always had a girlfriend, but he'd cheat on her about once a month with different women. He was good looking and extremely charming, and women threw themselves at him. And he was friends with everyone, male and female. Another extremely charismatic man I've known was a violent, drug gang psychopath who'd treated women exactly like my friend did. He was also popular with men, but also feared because he was a champion Thai …
/r/PurplePillDebate16/06/26 03:16 PM
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You didn't just call certain behaviour selfish. You echoed a hateful slogan about all men and gave the selfishness of some men as a justification. Which is the misandristic equivalent of a red piller saying "she's not yours; it's just your turn" because he's heard a few stories about women being hypergamic. I used an analogy. An analogy doesn't have to be a direct copy. The point is that you saying all men should be more lonely because some are selfish is no better than incels saying all women d…
/r/PurplePillDebate16/06/26 03:05 PM
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Well, women don't think it's better, not judging by the complaints on here. Mind you, some of the PPD regulars think they're as oppressed as Regency women, so maybe we're asking the wrong people. Asking men if they care is like asking a fan of a once-successful sports team if they care about their rivals now being more successful.
/r/PurplePillDebate16/06/26 02:50 PM
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men simply don't understand what it actually means Men understand what misandry means by reading the dictionary, where the actual definition, not some radfem's delusion, is printed for all to see. why are you whining about incels and their "misfortunes"? I wasn't whining about incel's misfortunes. Seriously, no offence intended, but do you have problems with reading and comprehending? The only reason I mentioned incels was because they're generally misogynists, and I was pointing out that you're…
/r/PurplePillDebate16/06/26 02:31 PM
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I was being diplomatic.
/r/PurplePillDebate16/06/26 02:01 PM
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The point is that I refuse to equate the two. I would even say trying to equate the two is misogyny in and of itself. There is no comparison. Thanks for sharing, but a misandrist's opinion on misandry is about as worthless as a vegan's thoughts on the best way to cook steak. All humans are lonely. Incels just make it everyone else's problem. That isn't hate men. That isn't even hating lonely men. It is calling out shitty behavior. The fact you can't seem to separate the two is telling. You weren…
/r/PurplePillDebate16/06/26 01:56 PM
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That would be impressive, to be fair.
/r/LeftWingMaleAdvocates16/06/26 01:38 PM
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You originally said "many want to make sex and relationships healthier and believe less porn would lead to more and better relationships". I disagreed, so I said as much. That's how this place works.
/r/PurplePillDebate16/06/26 01:37 PM
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Misandry is hatred of men. There's no requirement for it be systematic (sic). There is an argument that misogyny is worse than misandry because it's systemic, and you seem to be confusing that with the dictionary-defying claim that misandry doesn't existing because it's not systemic. Nice try, though. You weren't just laughing at selfish men. You were saying men in general should be more lonely. Or I assume you were, because you wrote "I said this" in response to me mentioning the slogan. Women …
/r/PurplePillDebate16/06/26 01:30 PM
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I didn't say the cause was wrong. I just doubt the motivations of some of its champions.
/r/PurplePillDebate16/06/26 01:11 PM
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It's funny because you're a misandrist. Just like how men who laugh at sexist generalisations of women, however accurate they may be in some cases, are misogynists. If you could care less, that means you do care to some degree. By saying men aren't lonely enough, you've proven you do think like incels. Incels laugh at the misfortunes of women because they think that, due to the poor behaviour of some women, all women should suffer. You think that, because some men are shitty, all men should be m…
/r/PurplePillDebate16/06/26 01:11 PM
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If there's overlap then my original point - while some women will be anti-porn for altruistic reasons, others will be anti-porn just because they hate men - might be true. Obviously, without mind-reading the women I suspect of spite, I can't prove my suspicion, but it makes sense. Especially when you consider how these man-haters' male equivalents act (misogynists who want to ban abortion). The only reason it doesn't follow is if you believe that all women are above such behaviour.
/r/PurplePillDebate16/06/26 12:22 PM
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Maybe she prefers brain surgeons
/r/LeftWingMaleAdvocates16/06/26 12:12 PM
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Why would there not be overlaps between these groups? Most anti-porn people are feminist (though not all feminists are anti-porn). Most man-haters are feminist (though not all feminists hate men). The odds are that some women will be both anti-porn and man-hating. Edit to add - I'm not particularly pro-porn. I can go a while without watching any, and the stuff I do watch is pretty tame. If it disappeared tomorrow, I'd get over it.
/r/PurplePillDebate16/06/26 12:02 PM
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I know. But it shows there's a growing number of women who hate all men just because of their gender. Do you think extremist misandristic women like these want men to have pleasure? Or would they rather men be miserable? If you believe the former, ask yourself if you think extremist misogynistic men want women to have pleasure. When someone hates people with a passion, they'll latch onto any movement that'll disadvantage the people they hate, even if it benefits them in no other way. Like incels…
/r/PurplePillDebate16/06/26 11:38 AM
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I'm sure some proponents of porn-banning have altruistic reasons like those in your second paragraph. But considering the growing popularity of the slogan "men aren't lonely enough", I presume some of the anti-porn brigade just want to spite men.
/r/PurplePillDebate16/06/26 11:18 AM
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How much money are we talking?
/r/PurplePillDebate16/06/26 05:29 AM
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Even trans men, who aren’t the most masculine of men, say so That might be how they feel. But without speaking to the people they think respect them more as men, we don't know if that's actually true. Could it not be that they feel more respected because they're happier within themselves, living as their true gender rather than that assigned at birth?
/r/PurplePillDebate16/06/26 05:28 AM
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It's good that you care about that, but most people don't.
/r/PurplePillDebate16/06/26 05:24 AM
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I wouldn't put too much faith in such statistics. Where I live, domestic abuse against men is classed as "violence against women and girls". Every time a woman attacks her male partner, he's counted as a female victim, which gives the impression that IPV is exclusively male-on-female. That's how much privilege men get here.
/r/PurplePillDebate16/06/26 05:22 AM
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In the UK, if a man and a woman with identical criminal records commit the exact same crime, the man's sentence will be 30% more severe on average.
/r/PurplePillDebate16/06/26 05:15 AM
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Are you aware that getting pregnant is not an inevitability?
/r/PurplePillDebate16/06/26 05:10 AM
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More likely because I'm autistic, and I don't really drink anymore. When younger I was a heavy binge drinker, which helped me mask. I suppose I prefer to be around men like myself. Not loudmouths, basically, because I'm a firm believer that empty vessels make the most noise.
/r/PurplePillDebate16/06/26 04:30 AM
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I have a dry sense of humour, and people who know me tend to think I'm funny. But I'm also awkward and shy, so I wouldn't say I'm charismatic per se.
/r/PurplePillDebate16/06/26 04:03 AM
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I think they'd prefer it to 5+ years without so much as a peck on the cheek.
/r/PurplePillDebate15/06/26 08:39 PM
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This is textbook madonna-whore-complex. They unconsciously choose to marry the madonna It's definitely not. Unless you're referring to a different M-W complex than Freud's. According to him, in the afflicted man's eyes, his woman would start as the whore and then become the madonna once they were married and had children. It's not a case of classifying some women as whores and some as madonnas. That sounds more like a male version of dual-mating strategy. M-W complex is not dual-mating because i…
/r/PurplePillDebate15/06/26 08:32 PM
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Apart from me.
/r/PurplePillDebate15/06/26 04:20 PM
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You're only as good as your last potential fuck-up
/r/PurplePillDebate15/06/26 02:46 PM
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Madonna-Whore is not the same as the dual mating strategy. M-W refers to when men struggle to sexualise a woman once they get married or enter a committed relationship, even though they had no trouble sexualising the same woman before marriage/commitment, nor will they have difficulty sexualising other women if being unfaithful. A perfect example is the character played by John Leguizamo in the movie Summer of Sam. Dual mating is when individuals pursue entirely different types of people for sex…
/r/PurplePillDebate15/06/26 12:51 PM
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Most men would prefer low value attention to total invisibility. Men do notice average women. The majority of men will find something attractive about even the most objectively 5/10 woman you could find, because men like women as a whole. Subconsciously, we look for reasons to be attracted; women look for any excuse to reject.
/r/PurplePillDebate15/06/26 11:59 AM
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I very much doubt that's who she's talking about.
/r/PurplePillDebate15/06/26 11:24 AM
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A lot of men would love to be the male equivalent of a cum dumpster, so your sarcasm falls flat.
/r/PurplePillDebate15/06/26 11:22 AM
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Judging by the number of comments, a lot of people want to talk about this. If that doesn't include you, perhaps you just need to postpone your participation until you're ready.
/r/PurplePillDebate15/06/26 07:13 AM
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People can gain more knowledge, but they can't become more intelligent. They can express themselves artistically more frequently, but they'll never be as creative as a natural. As for confidence, you can fake it, but without external validation, you can't truly become more confident.
/r/PurplePillDebate14/06/26 08:38 PM
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You've misunderstood. The former becomes charismatic thanks to validation due to his looks; the latter becomes bitter thanks to rejection due to his looks. That's not to say there are no ugly charismatic men, but there are many more attractive charismatic men.
/r/PurplePillDebate14/06/26 08:16 PM
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Saying "be confident" is like saying "be intelligent" or "be artistic". You're either confident/intelligent/artistic or not. Although you can pretend to be confident, intelligent and artistic, you can't fool people forever.
/r/PurplePillDebate14/06/26 08:13 PM
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If misogyny were only about hating women, there wouldn't be many misogynists at all. It's rare I see or hear a man saying he hates women or that all women are awful, a lot rarer than women saying they hate men or that all men are awful. It's definitely far more common to see patronising or demeaning comments like the one you mentioned about women needing men to manage their lives. Which is something I don't subscribe to at all, probably because I've spent a lot of my life around strong, opiniona…
/r/PurplePillDebate14/06/26 05:03 PM
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A guy can run a mile in less than 4 minutes. So are we going to admit that obesity and heart disease aren't problems for society?
/r/PurplePillDebate14/06/26 03:50 PM
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This is a just world fallacy. Besides, you're either contradicting yourself, or you're contradicting blue pill/feminist narratives as a whole. BP/feminists tell us that incels are rare, that most average and even some below average men have relationships. BP/feminists also claim that misogyny is rife, that the world is full of shitty men who mistreat women. You say most misogynists are incels, which means you either think that most men are not misogynists, or that there are a lot of incels.
/r/PurplePillDebate14/06/26 03:47 PM
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The difference being that one grew up attractive, and the other didn't.
/r/PurplePillDebate14/06/26 03:38 PM
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Hard water is ice, which is a solid, not a liquid. There's no such thing as hard liquid.
/r/PurplePillDebate14/06/26 03:34 PM
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It's not just that she doesn't want him to do it again in the future. She's so horrified that she wants him to get in trouble with HR.
/r/PurplePillDebate14/06/26 05:41 AM
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And I'm explaining that consent can me given or not based on this The meme isn't about whether the 2 men should do this again in the future.
/r/PurplePillDebate13/06/26 11:46 PM
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Her reaction to the attractive man implies consent to say something similar in the future. And her reaction to the unattractive man implies the opposite. But her reaction isn't due to lack of consent for the original comment, because she gave neither of them consent to make the original. So just saying the word "consent", as you did, doesn't explain why she reacted differently in the first place.
/r/PurplePillDebate13/06/26 11:43 PM
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Where in the cartoon does the woman consent to the attractive man complimenting her?
/r/PurplePillDebate13/06/26 08:23 PM
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Rich or not, they're being coddled, which you said only happens in sweet little countries. Besides, you know what would happen if the US did clamp down on incels. White incels would be fine; non-whites would get fucked over.
/r/PurplePillDebate13/06/26 07:31 PM
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And please remember America isn't a sweet little country that coddles problem people Your president is a paedophile and a war criminal. Not only do you coddle problem people, but you promote them to the highest office in the land. While many other "sweet little countries" have taken action against their Epstein-implicated individuals, big bad USA has its head buried in the sand. Right wing misogynists control your nation from root to branch, and all you do is join marches, carry witty placards a…
/r/PurplePillDebate13/06/26 06:52 PM
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That will NOT be tolerated How exactly will you enforce this?
/r/PurplePillDebate13/06/26 05:13 PM
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Are the people claiming men hit their peak over 50 in the room with us now?
/r/PurplePillDebate13/06/26 04:19 PM
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Men are dangerous. Women are dangerous. Dogs are dangerous. Cars are dangerous. Trees are dangerous. Boilers are dangerous. Lightning is dangerous. However, most men don't kill; most women don't weaponise the justice system; most dogs are friendly; cars are generally fine if driven correctly; trees are harmless unless there's a storm; well-maintained boilers don't explode; lightning can be easily avoided. So yes, men are inherently dangerous, but most of the time their potential to do harm remai…
/r/PurplePillDebate13/06/26 02:37 PM
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I've not disagreed with you, so I don't know why you're trying to convince me. But it's funny how you make out that it's a new thing that beauty standards apply to men. Like I said, they only didn't apply to men for a short period, which finished years ago, and the flipped version has lasted longer so far anyway.
/r/PurplePillDebate13/06/26 10:10 AM
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the same beauty standards they've had no issues imposing on women are flipped on them Do you think women didn't have beauty standards for men in the past? You reckon all women found every man attractive? Of course not. They found handsome men handsome and ugly men ugly. The only difference is they now have the power to act on their preferences. Besides, most men in the past weren't able to enforce their beauty standards either. They took what they could get. The only ones who had a choice were r…
/r/PurplePillDebate13/06/26 09:52 AM
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but there was a meme about nice guys (in this example Chris) claiming if you can’t handle them at their worst Good old Chris
/r/PurplePillDebate12/06/26 03:06 PM
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Who's Courtney? Is she one of the PPD mods?
/r/PurplePillDebate12/06/26 02:13 PM
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I thought as much.
/r/PurplePillDebate12/06/26 12:03 PM
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Men aren't as physically strong these days because society doesn't tend to jump to violence as quickly. A lot of men hit their 30s and have never had a fight in their lives. Which is generally a good thing, of course, but it does mean that men are typically weaker.
/r/PurplePillDebate12/06/26 10:59 AM
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When I lived in the UK for 6 years I've lived here for 45 years. I work in a cosmopolitan city, but I live in a working class area. I've been to university; I've worked in all manner of different jobs, and I've travelled extensively around Europe as a younger man*. No offence, but my experience trumps yours. Victim mentality is seductive regardless of one's nationality I don't have a victim mentality. My life could be worse in a million ways. Citizens of rich countries that aren't severely disab…
/r/PurplePillDebate12/06/26 09:56 AM
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How do you know income is more powerful than class in the UK? On what are you basing that assessment, other than your natural American bias towards all things financial? I have enough "power" from my income to support my wife and two children; I receive no benefits; I'm not a member of a union. In your opinion, what responsibility do I bear, and to whom do I owe that responsibility?
/r/PurplePillDebate12/06/26 07:24 AM
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Why does being working class give someone responsibility? Responsibility comes with power; the less power someone has, the less responsibility.
/r/PurplePillDebate12/06/26 07:04 AM
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It's not a question of "if" class is independent of income, because class is definitely independent of income. I'm not trying to have anything "both ways"; I make no other assertion other than class is not related to finance. You can draw whatever conclusions you want from that fact.
/r/PurplePillDebate12/06/26 06:46 AM
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It's not a "claim" about the class system. I'm informing you how the class system works here, factually. You said it sounds like I'm middle class, which has nothing to do with "looking at the world". Maybe you simply need to accept that what I'm telling you, rather than arguing against it through your American lens. Besides, I think you'll find that the US is the outlier here; class mobility elsewhere in the world is closer to the UK version than the US.
/r/PurplePillDebate12/06/26 06:05 AM
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No, it sounds like you fundamentally misunderstand the class system in the UK. Class here is based on parentage, location, culture, education and lifestyle. As I told you last time, it has nothing to do with money. I understand that finance is the be-all end-all in the US, but that's not how it works here. In my country, you can be a multi-millionaire working class person, and you can be a destitute aristocrat on benefits. And there's no point citing US articles and studies to me. Our countries …
/r/PurplePillDebate12/06/26 05:54 AM
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I'm not on minimum wage, nor am I in a union. Unions are only part of government support under a socialist or communist government, anyway.
/r/PurplePillDebate12/06/26 04:56 AM
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I'm not on government support.
/r/PurplePillDebate12/06/26 04:14 AM
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I've heard some environments are worse than others. School/college/university is the obvious one, but apparently nurses can be extremely bitchy too.
/r/PurplePillDebate11/06/26 10:16 PM
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Queen Elizabeth II Volodymyr Zelenskyy
/r/PurplePillDebate11/06/26 09:16 PM
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"Self pleasure"? Why do they think men do it? They probably think we only do it while plotting mass rapes, or something
/r/PurplePillDebate11/06/26 03:19 PM
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What "more responsible ways", exactly?
/r/PurplePillDebate11/06/26 02:11 PM
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Basically, you just said that men and women do the same thing, but men do it for nefarious reasons and women do it for innocent reasons.
/r/PurplePillDebate11/06/26 01:23 PM
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You should add a TL;DR saying "because men bad women good"
/r/PurplePillDebate11/06/26 12:14 PM
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It means "thank fuck for the Mayflower"
/r/PurplePillDebate10/06/26 09:17 PM
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I've already taught them. Besides, they're practically adults now. If a kid's not learnt something by the time they're 18, the only way they'll learn it is for themselves.
/r/PurplePillDebate10/06/26 09:08 PM
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Yeah. 20 year old and an 18 (as of next week) year old. You?
/r/PurplePillDebate10/06/26 08:41 PM
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*Noncery
/r/PurplePillDebate10/06/26 08:38 PM
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If only parenting was that simple.
/r/PurplePillDebate10/06/26 08:18 PM
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Some men don't like kiddie fiddlers. The rest need their hard drives checking.
/r/PurplePillDebate10/06/26 08:16 PM
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I sincerely hope you don't have any sons.
/r/PurplePillDebate10/06/26 08:01 PM
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Sorry, but I just don't think of you that way.
/r/PurplePillDebate10/06/26 06:17 PM
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I admitted that she annoys me. What more do you want?
/r/PurplePillDebate10/06/26 06:15 PM
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2 comments. Let's not be dramatic. Also, I didn't say the housefly analogy was an exact representation. It was merely a device to explain that being annoyed by something doesn't necessarily mean it plays on your mind.
/r/PurplePillDebate10/06/26 04:31 PM
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You're not living in my head rent free. If a housefly annoys you by buzzing around, does that mean it's living in your head rent free? No, it means its presence is irritating, but it's also quickly forgotten.
/r/PurplePillDebate10/06/26 04:12 PM
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The first couple of times I replied to you, even though I was perfectly agreeable, you responded with your customary brand of venomous condescension. I admit that, since then, my conduct has been less than exemplary. You weren't attacking the other poster per se, but you were being unnecessarily acerbic. She obviously didn't know that's how you always are, so I thought it'd be helpful to make her aware. Feel free to continue ignoring me otherwise, as I will with you.
/r/PurplePillDebate10/06/26 03:36 PM
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Fair enough. At least you've tried it so you're speaking from experience. Some people just say stuff like that to sound cool.
/r/PurplePillDebate10/06/26 11:00 AM
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I think there’s just a fundamental miscommunication between the entire world and her
/r/PurplePillDebate10/06/26 09:36 AM
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On the more 'normie' subs, I see a lot of the "sex is just a fun activity between 2 people, like playing tennis" opinion, which to me suggests they're a bit weird or aren't as experienced as they claim.
/r/PurplePillDebate10/06/26 09:36 AM
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Everywhere I go on Reddit, everybody is extremely sex-positive, and they do tend to look down on people who aren't as promiscuous as they (say they) are.
/r/PurplePillDebate10/06/26 07:26 AM
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Don't mind her. Thoroughly unpleasant pseudo-intellectual who insults people and then reports them when they retort in the same manner.
/r/PurplePillDebate10/06/26 07:22 AM
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When I was 19, on the last night of a lads' holiday on the Greek isle of Corfu, I slept with a 30 year old woman, and I fell for her quite hard. I was sad for a few days afterwards, knowing I'd never see her again. This was well before social media, most people didn't have email, and she lived on the opposite side of the country to me. Other ONS didn't affect me at all. Maybe it's because the sex was by far the best with her, and she seemed like the nicest. Plus I'd been pursuing her for a few d…
/r/PurplePillDebate10/06/26 06:12 AM
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A small minority of very strange women actually like men who treat other people like shit, as long as he treats her well. And then she's surprised when he ends up treating her badly too.
/r/PurplePillDebate09/06/26 11:03 PM
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In this economy?
/r/PurplePillDebate09/06/26 06:42 PM
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Basically, IMO, it's just the inverse of slut-shaming. Although I'd love to say there's some deeper meaning behind it, or that it says something compelling about gender relations, I believe it's the old dichotomy between pure woman = good/experienced man = good. People will rationalise post-hoc in a way that suits their sensibilities, but the truth is probably a lot simpler than they'll admit.
/r/PurplePillDebate09/06/26 06:30 PM
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English is not my first language Seriously? I would've never guessed. And, for once, I'm not being sarcastic.
/r/PurplePillDebate09/06/26 06:20 PM
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OK, that was a bit of a simplification. But love, or at least attraction, was a consideration for poor people. It had to be a good match for other reasons as well, but there was a lot more choice than people think. A young man and woman might've been fond of each other, but the woman's father would say, "You can't marry her until you've learnt a trade," or have a bit of land to work or whatever. Some women would end up with husbands they didn't want; some men would end up with wives they didn't.…
/r/PurplePillDebate08/06/26 11:57 PM
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So is it BelieveWomen or BelieveSomeWomenSometimes?
/r/PurplePillDebate08/06/26 11:03 PM
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I can assure you it is. It is in my case, anyway, and I very much doubt I'm an outlier.
/r/PurplePillDebate08/06/26 11:01 PM
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And the wives took the frustrations out on the kids. What you should also remember is that, contrary to what feminism and TV/movies tell you, a lot of poor people (who are massively under-represented in the media but were and are roughly 90% of all human life) actually married for love. The whole "women weren't allowed to work and were only involved in arranged marriages" trope is an apex fallacy.
/r/PurplePillDebate08/06/26 09:46 PM
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Yeah, but men aren't demanding that everybody believe them 100% of the time.
/r/PurplePillDebate08/06/26 05:46 PM
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You're right. But in your original reply to someone else, you accused them of fabricating a situation with which he could enrage himself. I was merely pointing out that his example wasn't that far-fetched. You can't say, "That's not real" and then argue anecdotal when someone gives you something that is real.
/r/PurplePillDebate08/06/26 03:36 PM
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That's only in one country, though. And I did qualify it by saying reproductive rights don't favour women.
/r/PurplePillDebate08/06/26 02:37 PM
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It was. Don't worry. Some people on here are deliberately obtuse.
/r/PurplePillDebate08/06/26 02:03 PM
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Does the system still oppress women, though, overall? They still get affirmative action in employment areas where they're now equal. Criminal sentencing is more lenient for women. Schoolgirls get better marks for the same work as schoolboys. More money is spent on research for female-only illnesses than male-only. In countries with conscription, men are far more likely to be drafted. Women are less likely to be the victims of most types of crime and violence. Less likely to die at work. Less lik…
/r/PurplePillDebate08/06/26 01:58 PM
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Nobody should have unimpeachable credibility. Women who push for this are mentally ill.
/r/PurplePillDebate08/06/26 01:46 PM
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If you're talking about women being seen as property, you should remember that the vast majority of men were also seen as property. Owned by the local lord, working for him, forced to fight battles for him if ordered. Neither men nor women were free - they just had different owners. I suppose it's a question of whether you'd prefer to be owned by Baron Cockface from the castle up the road, or your husband/father.
/r/PurplePillDebate08/06/26 01:15 PM
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She doesn't do any of the maintenance. She cooks 3 or 4 times per week, but if she doesn't feel well, that becomes 0 times per week. And I wouldn't call that abusive either. It was childish of me to stop. But again, I was doing it alone and being berated at the same time. It was in a hallway nobody had to use at that point anyway, and I only stopped for half an hour so I could go and calm down. You're making assumptions about my situation.
/r/PurplePillDebate08/06/26 01:11 PM
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I've been called abusive for not doing my weekly mop of the floors because I didn't feel well. Also once because we had an argument while I painting walls, and I refused to do anymore as a result. And these examples involved an intelligent woman who is generally a wonderful person. Some women just use the "abuse" word too often, probably because it's constantly being shoved into their brains by social media.
/r/PurplePillDebate08/06/26 12:08 PM
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because they reach a point and age Menopause
/r/PurplePillDebate08/06/26 10:41 AM
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Maybe if you meet him on a desert island. But if you can see how he interacts with other people, at least some of them will give themselves away. Of course, others are consummate actors who can wear a mask 99% of the time, but that takes a rare amount of discipline. Most men don't have that much patience. Without being uncharitable, I think some women turn a blind eye to certain behaviours because they're infatuated. It's easy to ignore red flags, until it's too late.
/r/PurplePillDebate08/06/26 09:08 AM
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Attractive doesn't mean attractive?
/r/PurplePillDebate08/06/26 09:01 AM
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Sorry, I should've added an /s. I'm British, and sarcasm is my default.
/r/PurplePillDebate08/06/26 09:00 AM
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Sorry, I should've added an /s. I'm British, and sarcasm is my default.
/r/PurplePillDebate08/06/26 08:59 AM
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This is like saying most white people want a return to slavery and segregation because a minority of white supremacists are loudly racist. Yes, those people are disgusting, and they should be shunned and prosecuted if they break any laws, but they don't even nearly represent the majority. Even within the "pillosphere", most men don't want a return to oppression for women. The more moderate among us might complain about certain factors, but we don't believe women should be chained to the kitchen …
/r/PurplePillDebate08/06/26 08:13 AM
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Are you talking about me? I don't mention Chad that often, and when I do, it's usually tongue in cheek, as it was with my reply this time. I should've added an /s, really, but I refuse to Americanise myself.
/r/PurplePillDebate08/06/26 08:03 AM
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oppressed party for centuries You can't punish someone for the sins of their father. Do you think the average American should be atoning for the way your ancestors treated indigenous Americans, or victims of the slave trade? Sometimes the war has to happen for a better outcome to occur. For freedom to be had and for sides to be remedied The war has happened. You guys won. It wasn't a total annihilation, but you gained a lot and lost virtually nothing, so it was a victory by definition. But what'…
/r/PurplePillDebate08/06/26 08:01 AM
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Out of interest, what do you think are the odds, mathematically speaking, of the one man you want in the world also considering you the one woman he wants in the world? We're talking astronomical odds here. If men had the same selectiveness as women, virtually nobody would ever partner. Luckily, most men will have a group of women they'd consider - if they had the chance. Once you're with him for a while, depending on how much of a pain in the arse you are and whether you make life better or wor…
/r/PurplePillDebate08/06/26 07:31 AM
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There's nothing special about being a woman who men would have sex with. But if he wants to keep doing it, if he wants to spend time with you not having sex, if he stops pursuing other women, if he seems happy around you, if he wants to move in with you, if he treats you well, and if he speaks well of you to other people, then you can safely assume he's not settling for you.
/r/PurplePillDebate08/06/26 07:22 AM
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It's a silly idea anyway. We all know that even lesbians are happily heterosexual for Chad
/r/PurplePillDebate07/06/26 11:43 PM
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What responsibility would I have to absolve myself of? I'm working class. My grandparents lived in a slum and only left because it got bombed by the Nazis. My parents were a little better off, but hardly comfortable.
/r/PurplePillDebate07/06/26 11:35 PM
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Well, for a start, I'm not American. In the UK, class isn't determined by money. You can have a destitute person from the upper class (though we tend to call it the aristocracy), like a distant relation of the Royal Family who loses everything gambling. And there are multi-millionaire working class people, for example footballers or pop singers raised in inner city council estates. I'm leftist and working class due to my upbringing, location and parentage. If I somehow gain a lot of money, my ch…
/r/PurplePillDebate07/06/26 11:18 PM
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In my very first reply to you, I asked if you thought Epstein invited factory workers and bus drivers to his island. I assumed that made it clear I was referring to the top 1%.
/r/PurplePillDebate07/06/26 10:07 PM
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Households include husbands and partners. These households wouldn't even exist if (a) women weren't attracted to abusers and (b) abusers got their heads kicked in the first time they raised their hand.
/r/PurplePillDebate07/06/26 09:15 PM
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I admire your willingness to defend people who literally wouldn't care if you lived or died. Have you not read any of the Epstein files? Some of these people talk about the rest us like we're a plague to be eradicated. They abuse poor, defenceless people with impunity, and they get away with it because they all band together. They cause wars, riots and poverty while enriching themselves and playing with rockets. You might aspire to be like them, but remember you're a lot closer to me than you ar…
/r/PurplePillDebate07/06/26 09:12 PM
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OK. A lot of households are not abusive, though. But violence or mistreatment from a boyfriend would quite often provoke retaliation from brothers and father. I'm getting on, and I remember hearing other men shitting themselves after cheating on their girlfriend because the girl had brothers or a dad who liked a scrap
/r/PurplePillDebate07/06/26 06:32 PM
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Both aren't "just as" capable of being evil. Dark triad men are of above average attractiveness to women. Dark triad men are more likely to be abusive. Of course, there will be dark triad men who aren't attractive, and there will be abusive people who don't have dark triad traits, but on the balance of probabilities, a less attractive man is less likely to be abusive. I'm not trying to moralise attractiveness; I'm trying to amoralise it. People are more likely to choose more attractive partners,…
/r/PurplePillDebate07/06/26 02:49 PM
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I don't think there are any solutions. We can't cure the illness (men not being selected) without infringing on the rights of others (government issued girlfriends), so we can only treat the symptoms (depression, rage, misogyny). Symptoms like rage and misogyny are treatable - we need to go after the manosphere grifters profiting from "weak men". There has to be some way of stopping them; they're essentially radicalising people, often targeting the most vulnerable. Truly scummy people, and if I …
/r/PurplePillDebate07/06/26 01:39 PM
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More freedom usually means less protection. In the past, men would be more reluctant to abuse a woman if he knew her dad and brothers would kick the shit out of him. A lot of dads on the scene nowadays, and too many brothers couldn't fight their way out of a paper bag.
/r/PurplePillDebate07/06/26 01:22 PM
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They're good at what they do, and they can always find someone else to victimise once a relationship's run its course.
/r/PurplePillDebate07/06/26 01:19 PM
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Many a true word spoken in jest. Yeah, I'm sure a lot of these abusers are charming and manipulative. But also, some people are a lot easier to charm and manipulate.
/r/PurplePillDebate07/06/26 01:17 PM
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1) Men are richer than women at the highest income levels. Women might be doing better economically now, but the wealthiest are still white men. 2) Perhaps the most harmful flaw one can have - psychopathy - is ridiculously over-represented amongst the rich and successful. Selfishness, avarice, a willingness to tread on other people on your way to the top: all far more prevalent amongst the financial elite. The richer and more powerful someone is, the less moral. Elon Musk, Donald Trump, Jeff Bez…
/r/PurplePillDebate07/06/26 12:41 PM
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I provided a source for something a lot of people suspect anyway: bad men are more attractive to women. That isn't a moral judgment; that's just the way it is. The person I was replying to was supporting the just world fallacy. Elsewhere on this post, she claimed that attractive men are not more abusive than unattractive ones. Because that's what she wants to believe, that the world is fair, that there's the same percentage of attractive men who are non-abusive as there is of unattractive men wh…
/r/PurplePillDebate07/06/26 12:26 PM
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The fisherman/fish is for what women want. "Bring to the table" is what is being offered to women, ie what they want. It's the same question. OP's asking "what do women want that these men are providing?"
/r/PurplePillDebate07/06/26 12:12 PM
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I'm sure plenty of women are like you, charitable but not at your own expense (nor would I expect you to be). Unfortunately, some aren't. Just as there are racist people who don't view other races as fully human, and homophobes who don't view gay people as fully human, there are women - and men, of course - who are ableist and don't see disabled people as fully human. Because essentially, that's the divide we're seeing: most of these "weak men" are in fact neurodivergent.
/r/PurplePillDebate07/06/26 11:08 AM
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Thanks, but I have 2 points: 1) Poor men don't get the same protection from the law as rich men. They can't hire the best lawyers, and they can't pay women to keep quiet. 2) Lower socioeconomic status is also correlated with cultural diversity. In less wealthy, developing parts of the world, women are less equal, abuse more prevalent. Those attitudes aren't necessarily left behind when people migrate to the western world and can persist from one generation to the next.
/r/PurplePillDebate07/06/26 11:01 AM
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A lot of these weak men are autistic. Autism is pretty much the only disability that it's okay to be ableist about - as long as the autist is male. So because our ancestors thought pollution wasn't a big deal, there are shit-loads more young people struggling these days: https://hsph.harvard.edu/news/air-pollution-linked-with-increased-risk-of-autism-in-children/ Autism in women doesn't have as much of an impact on their ability to attract men - though sadly, it can lead to more exploitation and…
/r/PurplePillDebate07/06/26 10:53 AM
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A lot of these weak men are autistic. Autism is pretty much the only disability that it's okay to be ableist about - as long as the autist is male. So because our ancestors thought pollution wasn't a big deal, there are shit-loads more young people struggling these days: https://hsph.harvard.edu/news/air-pollution-linked-with-increased-risk-of-autism-in-children/ Autism in women doesn't have as much of an effect on their ability to attract men - though sadly, it can lead to more exploitation and…
/r/PurplePillDebate07/06/26 10:46 AM
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A lot of innocent men who had the temerity to object to being lumped in with the rapists during the man vs bear fiasco were told they were the reason women chose the bear. Not the rapists themselves - they weren't the reason. Effectively, Chads were doing the raping, and the nerds were getting the blaming.
/r/PurplePillDebate07/06/26 10:37 AM
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If women start to see these men as human, they might find things they like about them.
/r/PurplePillDebate07/06/26 10:32 AM
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society of dominant females No, he said protect men from abusive mothers, not let the abusive mothers run society.
/r/PurplePillDebate07/06/26 10:26 AM
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Offering female inmates early release from prison if they date an undateable Maybe the legal system could give women the same sentences as men with the same criminal records who commit the same crimes. And then those now equally-treated women could get an early release from prison if they date an undateable. With your idea, they're getting ~30% shorter prison terms in the first place (because they're women), and then they're getting even less punishment for agreeing to the undateable scheme. Tha…
/r/PurplePillDebate07/06/26 10:25 AM
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The upper classes are just as, if not more, abusive than working classes. Do you think Epstein invited many factory workers or bus drivers to his island?
/r/PurplePillDebate07/06/26 10:10 AM
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Dark triad men are more attractive
/r/PurplePillDebate07/06/26 10:07 AM
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It's scientifically proven that dark triad men are more attractive. Dark triad personalities are obviously more likely to be abusive too, so I'm not going to bother finding a source for that. On the other hand the just world theory, which you seem to subscribe to, is disproven to the degree that it's now classed as a fallacy.
/r/PurplePillDebate07/06/26 10:05 AM
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Ah, the old "don't ask the fish, ask the fisherman" argument. Didn't expect to hear it from a woman.
/r/PurplePillDebate07/06/26 09:54 AM
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So why are being told it's an "epidemic" and a "national emergency"?
/r/PurplePillDebate07/06/26 09:52 AM
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Did you not know? The most dangerous men in the world aren't the ones with proven track records of assaulting and harassing women. The most dangerous men in the world are the ones who object to being tarred by the same brush applied to the active predators. They're the reason women would sensibly rather risk their lives with a 600lbs grizzly rather than a 150lbs nerd. However, this "hit dog hollers" formula doesn't work with other criticisms. For example, if a woman complains about offensive gen…
/r/PurplePillDebate07/06/26 09:25 AM
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Abusive men are apparently very good at making women feel safe. So safe that they'll sleep with them much quicker than non-safe-seeming men. Sometimes within hours. It's nothing to do with excitement, apparently, and looks aren't as important as we think, apparently. Money is irrelevant too, apparently, because women have their own money. As we all know, once people have their own money, they refuse anyone else's, which is why employed lottery winners always donate their prize in full to charity…
/r/PurplePillDebate07/06/26 09:16 AM
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Sorry to disappoint, but I'm not Dutch. It's a football thing.
/r/PurplePillDebate07/06/26 06:29 AM
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Well, Wikipedia's always begging for money. Maybe they and the feminists came to some sort of... ahem... mutually-beneficial agreement.
/r/LeftWingMaleAdvocates06/06/26 11:17 PM
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I feel a great disturbance in the force. I agree with one of Lilith's posts.
/r/PurplePillDebate06/06/26 11:13 PM
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It means she beat off 66 other guys
/r/PurplePillDebate06/06/26 04:22 PM
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Here we've got the BBC, who in theory are neutral, but they need to justify their license fee so don't have as much integrity as they used to. Plus it seems half the men working there are sex offenders.
/r/PurplePillDebate06/06/26 03:46 PM
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If only there was not-for-profit journalism. Or nationalised journalism, though depending where you live, that could very easily end up being propaganda.
/r/PurplePillDebate06/06/26 02:42 PM
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Obviously it is. Otherwise I wouldn't say so
/r/PurplePillDebate06/06/26 02:40 PM
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I knew you'd see sense.
/r/PurplePillDebate06/06/26 02:20 PM
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Probably to disguise the fact it's absolute shite, like virtually all pop music.
/r/PurplePillDebate06/06/26 02:07 PM
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Coming to conclusions about the lives of strangers has no bearing on my happiness. The fact you've assumed as much implies that's something which factors into your emotional well-being. Which is fine. Different strokes and all that, but I'm not sure why you're projecting your bizarre motivations onto me.
/r/PurplePillDebate06/06/26 02:02 PM
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Are you using the correct definition of "average", or the female version?
/r/PurplePillDebate06/06/26 01:55 PM
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You really need to use a better example than Milly Alcock. She's half a chromosome short of Downs Syndrome.
/r/PurplePillDebate06/06/26 01:49 PM
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No, they're using "average" correctly. Over 60% of men aged 20 - 30 are have been single for a prolonged period if time. Women believe the top 20% is above average, and the bottom 80% is below average. Which is nonsense by definition, but irrationality and maths don't mix.
/r/PurplePillDebate06/06/26 01:48 PM
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I'm not interested in submissiveness. Femininity IMO is generally natural; it can't be simulated unless someone's a good actor or was born the wrong gender. It's things like pitch of voice, gait, facial expressions etc.
/r/PurplePillDebate06/06/26 01:41 PM
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Going off means ranting, but I was just trying to help. It wasn't me you were originally replying to anyway.
/r/PurplePillDebate06/06/26 01:38 PM
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Full caps means someone's angry, or crashing out Mixed case is taking the piss out of someone, like repeating what they're saying in a funny voice
/r/PurplePillDebate06/06/26 01:35 PM
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Sorry, I wasn't telling you to do it. Just being lazy - I meant "they should write it".
/r/PurplePillDebate06/06/26 01:04 PM
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Sure. So write the article with that tone, rather than "here's another reason why young boys are a threat".
/r/PurplePillDebate06/06/26 12:32 PM
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It depends how she feels about it. Does she accept she's only average? If not, she's settling. If she accept it, does she still think she's somehow entitled to better? If so, she's settling.
/r/PurplePillDebate06/06/26 11:45 AM
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That's 30 seconds more than non-creepy people are willing to spend. I've been married longer than you've been alive.
/r/PurplePillDebate06/06/26 09:21 AM
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You're obsessing about strangers online, and I'm the one with no life? So playing games is the behaviour of a loser, but reading smut isn't? OK. Enjoy your minotaur porn.
/r/PurplePillDebate06/06/26 09:18 AM
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Digging into someone's past comments is sad and creepy. That's why whenever someone does it to use against someone they're arguing with, they get called pathetic. Which is what you're being now. Even when people have their history open, it's still seen as weird. The fact you did a username search on me due to a harmless spat is concerning. Boomers were buying their first houses in the 80s. I might be older than you, (I certainly hope so, if you're only just buying your first house) but that does…
/r/PurplePillDebate06/06/26 09:13 AM
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It's creepy to try to find stuff out about strangers. You really should try to stop that; it's not healthy. And if you don't normally do it but are more triggered than usually, maybe take a break from the internet. I bought my first house 21 years ago. So congratulations, because you're obviously weirdly proud of passing one of life's basic milestones, but forgive me if I'm not overly-impressed.
/r/PurplePillDebate06/06/26 09:06 AM
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That's some dedicated research. And... a little creepy. This is exactly why I don't want to be doxxed again, because of strange people like you. Nowhere have I said I play games for hours every day. Regardless, I can write 500 words per hour, when I try. Most of my books are around 100,000 words, which means I only need to write for 4 hours per day to finish a book every couple of months. I don't think you read trash because you're a woman; I think you read trash because you seem unintelligent.
/r/PurplePillDebate06/06/26 08:56 AM
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High fantasy and sci-fi? So minotaur, werewolf and alien porn. Got it. 50 Shades only attracted a publishing house because it was such a bif hit online. Do you think publishers read it and thought, "Wow, this is amazing"? No, they realised it was slop but recognised it was wildly popular and decided they wanted a piece of the pie. 36 smut books. Well done. You may regret it when you develop arthritis in your fingers, though. My post history is hidden, so you're lying. Why do you think authors wo…
/r/PurplePillDebate06/06/26 08:42 AM
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You don't have a clue what you're talking about. 50 Shades of Gray, one of the best-selling books of all time, was independently-published. It's awful, but due to horny, barely-literate readers like you, it was extremely popular. The top selfpubs make more money than anyone apart from the truly massive trad authors. Amazon lets you keep between 35% and 70% of your sales, whereas most of the big publishing houses pay about 10% - 15% commission. Someone who's read 100 books in a year isn't wasting…
/r/PurplePillDebate06/06/26 08:26 AM
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No. Last time I did that, I got doxxed. Not falling for that one again. If you don't believe, then fine. No skin off my nose.
/r/PurplePillDebate06/06/26 07:48 AM
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Self-publishing isn't fanfiction. Fanfic is using somebody else's world and characters and adding your own story. It's fiction written by fans of existing platforms, hence "fanfiction". Besides, selfpub outsells tradpub by a considerable margin these days, and the average tradpub author makes minimum wage. If you're not a massive name, you earn more by being independent. I've written 12 books, with an average star rating of 4.2/5. They've been read by thousands of people, on every continent apar…
/r/PurplePillDebate06/06/26 06:36 AM
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Last time I told someone on here, I got multiple false bad reviews within a week. All non-verified (they weren't people who'd bought the book), and all making false claims; they talked about events that didn't even happen in the story and character who didn't exist. I complained to Amazon, but they did nothing. This completely ruined my sales for that whole series, to the point I decided to abandon it, only 3 books into a 7 book series. Every other review was 4 or 5 star. I haven't self-publishe…
/r/PurplePillDebate06/06/26 06:06 AM
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I'd rather be single for 10 life times than be a cuck in any of the ways described. I'm too possessive for that kind of carry-on.
/r/PurplePillDebate05/06/26 11:31 PM
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Because saying you want a man who's willing to be emotionally open and vulnerable sounds good. It's what you're supposed to say; it's what people say on TV. Whereas saying "I hope my BF can keep any negative feelings bottled up because it'll disturb me" would make a woman look callous and uncharitable. Women lacking in empathy don't want to look bad.
/r/PurplePillDebate05/06/26 10:24 PM
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Sensible opinion.
/r/PurplePillDebate05/06/26 07:16 PM
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OK, he felt like he was being cheated on. Quite a sad film, really.
/r/PurplePillDebate05/06/26 06:31 PM
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Then you've got the movie Her (Joaquin Phoenix and Scarlett Johannsen), where the MC's being "cheated on" by his AI GF with tens of thousands of other men. ETA - plus Subservience with Megan Fox, where the AI is a home-wrecker who tries to seduce dad and get rid of mum and the kids
/r/PurplePillDebate05/06/26 06:22 PM
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I didn't read them this time so can't reference any quotes in particular, but I did read them last time they were mentioned here. The narrative was that the young boys were basically defective and only wanted AI GFs so they could be in control, which would end up being dangerous for women. No real concern about the boys' well-being, just paranoia about them becoming threats.
/r/PurplePillDebate05/06/26 06:19 PM
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Yeah, but I hear male friendships are less close than female ones.
/r/PurplePillDebate05/06/26 06:12 PM
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That makes it all the worse. Grown-ups should be judged more harshly than youths, but we're seeing the opposite here.
/r/PurplePillDebate05/06/26 05:52 PM
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If the males are in their teens, the tone should be less condemnatory and more sympathetic.
/r/PurplePillDebate05/06/26 05:47 PM
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Is this the first example of MeToo from an AI?
/r/PurplePillDebate05/06/26 05:46 PM
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Are women just as lonely, though? I thought the lack of dating success was compensated by having much closer friends.
/r/PurplePillDebate05/06/26 05:38 PM
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Because they're all mouth and no trousers.
/r/PurplePillDebate05/06/26 05:12 PM
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I would reply, but that's the third time you've called yourself a baddie, and I just can't handle it anymore.
/r/PurplePillDebate05/06/26 04:26 PM
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The oldest advice in the book may have sufficed.
/r/PurplePillDebate05/06/26 04:07 PM
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That must be what Lilith's basing her post on, then.
/r/PurplePillDebate05/06/26 03:07 PM
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You said it's a filter for men who "can't handle it", but I (and most men, I bet) could handle it just fine. Caricatures are amusing, not intimidating. It's a filter in the same way as dressing like a clown is a filter, though I suppose if your only goal is to deter men, then it might be worth painting your face white and wearing a big red nose.
/r/PurplePillDebate05/06/26 03:06 PM
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One could argue too that males willing to fuck any woman and often women they aren’t really even attracted to also make the whole “men are actually into women more than vice versa” kind of moot. If men will fuck 80% of women then it’s not about being attracted to women, it’s about wanting sex. That's not really how it works for a lot of us. With most women, I can find something attractive about them. And if they're pleasant or I know them to be nice people, that increases their attractiveness ov…
/r/PurplePillDebate05/06/26 02:56 PM
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No, books. You know what a book is, right? It's like an extremely long TikTok or Instagram Reel that you read.
/r/PurplePillDebate05/06/26 02:46 PM
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Ah yes, the well-known, clichéd trope of marriage being a fuck-fest. Oh wait, that's not true. People complaining about a lack of sex once married is far, far more prevalent than the opposite. I honestly can't remember ever seeing someone say they want to get married so they can have lots of sex. And it's very rare that I see a married person claiming they have lots of sex. Once again, Lilith proves she exists in an alternative dimension.
/r/PurplePillDebate05/06/26 02:02 PM
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You're right. It says women should be submissive to men, which isn't necessarily worse or even better than radfem; it's different. Just like the way women abuse men isn't better or worse than the way men abuse women. The main problem with radfem is how pervading it is. Far more women are exposed to radfem talking points than men who are exposed to manosphere stuff.
/r/PurplePillDebate05/06/26 12:54 PM
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There's the manosphere. It's nowhere near as loud, pervasive or platformed as radical feminism, though. Regardless, the thing with both the manosphere and radfem nutjobs is that they both hurt men and women. Alpha wannabes aren't happy. The women who spend all day talking about evil "moids" aren't happy either.
/r/PurplePillDebate05/06/26 12:41 PM
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FYI, ideologue isn't a synonym of idea. And I went to a fairly mediocre university, but I've written more books than most people who went to Oxford or Cambridge.
/r/PurplePillDebate05/06/26 12:36 PM
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What we all need to accept is that people can be bad. Some men are bad; some women are bad. Maybe not in the same way, but not necessarily worse, just different. On the other hand, some men are good, and some women are good. For every man committing a terrible crime, there are several men helping others. For every women being awful, there are plenty of women being saintly. This race to prove one gender is perfect and the other evil serves nobody. Even though I get why it happens: women are const…
/r/PurplePillDebate05/06/26 12:34 PM
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/r/PurplePillDebate05/06/26 10:55 AM
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Why does something have to cause direct death to be bad? Some things are worse than death. Besides, why do you believe all femicides by men to be misogynistic? Every time a man kills a woman, is it because he hates all women, or could it not be that he hates one woman in particular? If a white man kills a black man, it's not always racially-aggravated - the motive could be an old grudge, an unpaid debt, revenge for a previous altercation, or a hundred factors that aren't race-related. So why ass…
/r/PurplePillDebate05/06/26 10:27 AM
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No, we should split ourselves into 2 groups based on how much of a wanker one is. Edit - or, having just read another PPD thread, the groups should be American and non-American. It would yield similar results to my first suggestion anyway.
/r/PurplePillDebate05/06/26 09:39 AM
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It's filtering out the men who can't handle it No, I just think it's pathetic, and when women call themselves "baddies", I'll laugh at them every time So it must be hilarious being around you, calling yourself a baddie "all day everyday" (twice in this post, no less) to "ward off" the legions of men trying to seduce you. Could you record footage of your average day and post it here? Give it a whack-a-mole theme, with fast paced music and a bonk sound every time you "baddie" men away.
/r/PurplePillDebate05/06/26 07:36 AM
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And men who call women baddies are cringe.
/r/PurplePillDebate05/06/26 07:21 AM
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Wolf packs in captivity form hierarchies that mimic the ones they form in nature, but instead of the family's parents (who probably aren't present) being the leaders, it'll be the most dominant wolf. Humans also form artificial pecking orders, but we do so whether in prison or not. Maybe if we were truly free, unconstrained by capitalism, feudalism or the government, we would be more like free wolves.
/r/PurplePillDebate05/06/26 07:10 AM
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dominant females who engage in pansexualism to promote group cohesion Government-issued girlfriends
/r/PurplePillDebate05/06/26 05:57 AM
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You're making assumptions about me, too. I don't blame you, though, because we all do it. There's a reason several pejorative terms exist for people obsessed with looks - vain, shallow, superficial, vacuous, narcissistic, conceited - but there aren't many for people who judge people on their actions. Which is what I've done; I've assessed your behaviour (being preoccupied with your physical appearance) and come to a conclusion. That doesn't make me insecure; it simply means I disagree with your …
/r/PurplePillDebate04/06/26 11:27 PM
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Everybody makes assumptions in life, every hour of every day. I have negative opinions of over-stylised men, too. There's nothing wrong with being conscious of how you look, but obsessing about your appearance is narcissistic. And it's nothing to do with bitterness; I'm married to a naturally beautiful woman with a lot more to offer than her appearance. If the concept of leagues even exists - and I'm not sure it does - said leagues certainly aren't determined by quantity of makeup, surgical proc…
/r/PurplePillDebate04/06/26 10:17 PM
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I love how many red pillers' Joker moment is when they realized women like sex and hot guys Women swiping right 5% of the time != Women swiping right on the same 5% of men Women like "hot guys"? Fair enough; that makes sense. But they don't swipe right on the same 5% men? I'm not sure how you know this for definite, but let's assume you are correct for a moment. In which case you're saying that more than 5% of men could be classed as "hot". This seems like a bold claim. Out of interest, what per…
/r/PurplePillDebate04/06/26 08:58 PM
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Big arms, yes. Giant, roided out arms, no.
/r/PurplePillDebate04/06/26 06:14 PM
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A woman can be a wonderful friend but a terrible partner to men. We're constantly propagandised with the concept of poor, beleaguered wives and their tyrannical, abusive, lazy, or incompetent husbands. Plus your friends will typically only feed you with one side of the story: the part that reinforces the aforementioned propaganda. In reality, men and women are human. Humans are flawed. Some are good, most are average, and some are bad. Assignung a higher level of morality to one side is misguide…
/r/PurplePillDebate04/06/26 03:06 PM
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Depends on which western country
/r/PurplePillDebate04/06/26 02:56 PM
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Even men from, say, the UK Fuck off, mate
/r/PurplePillDebate04/06/26 02:54 PM
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Generally, there are 3 types of attention for the overly-glamourised look: from dickheads who are self-obsessed themselves; from boys who think porn is real; and from men just looking for an easy shag. But naybe your group is an outlier, and you're all great people.
/r/PurplePillDebate04/06/26 01:12 PM
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I'd think, "Christ, I can't believe bioprinting and synthetic biology have been combined to create male synthetic humans that are hermaphrodite replicants".
/r/PurplePillDebate04/06/26 11:25 AM
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/r/PurplePillDebate04/06/26 11:15 AM
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Some of them are misusing it, then. I assumed it was from the old goodie vs baddie theme from movies, but either way it's performative, childish and self-aggrandising. That's my opinion, anyway, and I think the same of men who unironically call themselves alphas, sigmas, patriots or whatever.
/r/PurplePillDebate04/06/26 10:56 AM
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The post is about baddies, not just high glamour. Some self-dubbed baddies go down the high glamour boss bitch route, as you say, but some just wear bikinis, stick their arse out and court the male gaze. Either way, the use of the term "baddie" is as pathetic as the men who call themselves "alphas".
/r/PurplePillDebate04/06/26 10:32 AM
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You wouldn't, unless you wanted to attract men.
/r/PurplePillDebate04/06/26 10:08 AM
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Most women don't make a fortune on OF. Any desire they get from men is in spite of their look, not because of it. They'd get more if they listened to us.
/r/PurplePillDebate04/06/26 09:59 AM
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Instagram is full of influencers with an OF link who claim to be "baddies" - the male gaze is their bread and butter. The subset of "boss bitch baddies", maybe.
/r/PurplePillDebate04/06/26 09:49 AM
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Yeah. Even sadder when you try to do it and get it wrong.
/r/PurplePillDebate04/06/26 09:31 AM
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They're just like roided-up manosphere clowns. Most women don't care about giant biceps and capped delts, and most men don't like fish lips, orange tans and 3 inch fingernails. And they're both created by the same thing: failure with the opposite sex and bitterness.
/r/PurplePillDebate04/06/26 09:09 AM
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/r/PurplePillDebate04/06/26 06:35 AM
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Almost all women still want to reproduce Not according to the child-free fanatics on here.
/r/PurplePillDebate04/06/26 05:32 AM
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Yes. There aren't many men who get obsessed with celebrities or whatever you want to call an OF girl, streamer or influencer. The strange ones who do get obsessed with women they've never met and will never meet are usually single. Because for the average man a real woman, even if she's not as objectively attractive, will be preferable to one on TV/in porn. The opposite is true of developmentally-arrested women who are "in love" with celebrities. They project a level of perfection onto the celeb…
/r/PurplePillDebate03/06/26 09:43 PM
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Again you're addressing something I didn't say, which would be remedied by actually comprehending what I write. Maybe try reading a bit more slowly, or something. Yes, a lot of partnered men still seek external sources of titillation. But most don't become obsessed with individual women because men prefer variety when it comes to sexual fantasy. Every time I've read about some idiot gifting an OF girl 10k, it's been a very obviously single man.
/r/PurplePillDebate03/06/26 09:12 PM
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In court, you're supposed to assume the best, that the defendant is innocent. It's not safe to put the wrong people in prison.
/r/PurplePillDebate03/06/26 09:04 PM
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"I just want someone hot (10% of the population) and confident (20% of the population)!"
/r/PurplePillDebate03/06/26 08:49 PM
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A man doesn't have to cheat or fail to commit to be toxic. Besides, how would this be measured? Attractiveness is subjective, but willingness to commit and cheat are not.
/r/PurplePillDebate03/06/26 08:44 PM
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Most men typically don't get obsessed with invididual sex workers. We don't faint and scream about them or write fanfics about them. We watch them a few times and then move on. The men who do get obsessed are generally single. If they get a partner, a real life woman, the parasocial relationship will be forgotten. Unlike with the immature women you mention, who have to maintain their fantasies even when married because they hate the reality of not being with someone of high status. Luckily, some…
/r/PurplePillDebate03/06/26 08:37 PM
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How do you know they think it if they don't say it?
/r/PurplePillDebate03/06/26 07:56 PM
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I was using your recipe.
/r/PurplePillDebate03/06/26 07:49 PM
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I didn't say it wasn't a minority. I said it was more than OF. Besides, OF has been around for 5 minutes. It's novel, but the novelty will wear off. Women have been going crazy for celebs for 70 odd years. Because women are desperate for high status men, even if they're ugly wife-beaters like John Lennon.
/r/PurplePillDebate03/06/26 07:47 PM
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No, he thinks male sex drive is the only sex drive, not the default. To be the default, there needs to be more than one, and he doesn't think there's more than one.
/r/PurplePillDebate03/06/26 07:42 PM
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You said he couldn't handle male sex drive not being the default. If that's not what you meant, then you shouldn't have said it. You’re trying to be extra literal over things I did not say Annoying, isn't it?
/r/PurplePillDebate03/06/26 07:34 PM
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The man in question isn't claiming male sex drive to be the default. If he was, he'd say "women don't like sex as much as men". He's not claiming the sex drives are different, and that one is the default and the other an outlier. Rightly or wrongly, he's denying the existence of a female sex drive altogether. What you said happened didn't actually happen. If I were as immature as some people on here, I'd accuse you of lying at this point, but I know it was an honest mistake.
/r/PurplePillDebate03/06/26 07:29 PM
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What happened last time you told a man that the stereotypical male sex drive is not the default? In what way was the man unable to "handle hearing"? Did he retort by saying, "no the stereotypical male sex drive is the default!" Did he break down in tears or fly into a rage? Did his head explode?
/r/PurplePillDebate03/06/26 07:06 PM
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He didn't mimimise it. He mentioned it and then moved on. Everybody knows what he's talking about, so there's no need for him to labour the point.
/r/PurplePillDebate03/06/26 07:00 PM
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There are 4 billion men in the world. 300 million is 7.5% of 4 billion. 7.5% is by definition a minority. Anything less than 50% is a minority. Do you understand the word minority?
/r/PurplePillDebate03/06/26 06:26 PM
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It's sad, really. They claim they're terrified of men but act like this. If I was scared of someone, I'd try to hide my disgust.
/r/PurplePillDebate03/06/26 06:23 PM
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Yes. People downplay it, or course, but even if only 10% of those who engaged believe in it, that's still 300,000,000 women. Which is nearly twice the female population of the US.
/r/PurplePillDebate03/06/26 06:20 PM
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10% of the world's male population. Which is, as I said, a minority. Thanks.
/r/PurplePillDebate03/06/26 06:17 PM
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I've never met a man IRL who uses OF. I've only seen a handful of men online admit to it, though I've seen a lot of jokes from men pretending they use it. Unless you can read minds, how do you know it's so popular? Why would it be so popular when there are countless free alternatives? No sane man is paying for something he can get for nothing.
/r/PurplePillDebate03/06/26 04:52 PM
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That's because you're not being constantly propagandised with "women bad". The manosphere is dwarfed by radical feminism, which is why Hashtag KillAllMen got 3 billion engagements and man vs bear has had hundreds of millions so far.
/r/PurplePillDebate03/06/26 04:46 PM
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I didn't mention you giving attention to anyone, so I'm not sure where you got that from. A minority of men use OF. An even smaller minority give large gifts. Hundreds of millions of women obsess about Kpop boys and male celebs, and they do so from puberty until they're in their 40s. There's no comparison.
/r/PurplePillDebate03/06/26 04:40 PM
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Sorry. I misread your comment.
/r/PurplePillDebate03/06/26 03:48 PM
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I apologise on behalf of my fellow Englishmen. That's not how things were when I was growing up; perhaps we've become too Americanised (main character syndrome).
/r/PurplePillDebate03/06/26 03:08 PM
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You referred to a secret third thing. I told you what my secret third thing was. You then told me my secret third thing wasn't what I said it was.
/r/PurplePillDebate03/06/26 03:07 PM
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Maybe you're nice, then. You always seemed OK to me. But I've heard the way women talk about men they find attractive, and I've seen women gawking at attractive men. Even women I respect and admire have surprised me with their almost animalistic appraisals of men's features. When I was young, in my country we had the "ladette" era. Google "ladette culture". It wasn't for the faint-hearted.
/r/PurplePillDebate03/06/26 03:05 PM
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If I notice someone with low self-esteem, I don't sneer or wince. Maybe that's your natural reaction, but it's not mine.
/r/PurplePillDebate03/06/26 03:01 PM
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I don't want attention; I'm married, old and not interested in adultery. I just don't want to be looked at with open contempt. Is that really too much to ask?
/r/PurplePillDebate03/06/26 02:59 PM
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This is nothing to do women's rights. People here generally apologise for everything, and we don't like making a nuisance of ourselves.
/r/PurplePillDebate03/06/26 02:57 PM
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Secret third thing = don't look at me like I'm shit on your shoe just for having the gall to pass you by on the street.
/r/PurplePillDebate03/06/26 02:56 PM
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I'm very consistent on this. I don't want women to settle for unattractive men. But I do want them to stop complaining about toxic attractive men, because nobody's putting a gun to their heads and saying "you must date". If you're only attracted to toxic men, then put up with the consequences or stay single. BTW, you're not really supposed to downvote on here, and your screenshot shows you did. I'm not bothered; internet points mean nothing to me. But you might want to delete the screenshot show…
/r/PurplePillDebate03/06/26 02:55 PM
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Sorry, but these men sound like arseholes. Maybe it's a cultural thing, but where I'm from, inconveniencing anyone is a faux pas, regardless of gender.
/r/PurplePillDebate03/06/26 02:50 PM
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As I said, you shouldn't settle. But that doesn't mean treating unattractive men like they're an eye-sore. I see women in their 80s whom I obviously don't fancy, but I manage to look at them without being visibly disgusted. And I know women say they're scared of unattractive men, but do you honestly believe that making it obvious you think they're ugly makes them less dangerous? It's like some women think unattractive men need to be reminded of their place. If I was afraid of someone, I definite…
/r/PurplePillDebate03/06/26 02:48 PM
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If you think there's a hetero woman on the planet who doesn't sexually objectify attractive men, you're sorely mistaken. If you see an attractive man, are you wondering what his views on free will are? Are you wondering what his first pet was, or what scares him the most, or what makes him happy? No, your first thought is: "He's attractive and looks cool". Congratulations, you just objectified him.
/r/PurplePillDebate03/06/26 02:38 PM
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First of all, please don't "give a chance" to unattractive men. Settling for a man leads to weeks, months or years of misery. Of course, the same applies when men settle for women they're not attracted to, but this is far less common due to most men finding most women attractive. How would you know these unattractive men are worse? We're always told on here: "Duh, OBVIOUSLY we'll only date men we're attracted too". You don't know if an unattractive man is abusive because you're not sufficiently …
/r/PurplePillDebate03/06/26 02:33 PM
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When was the last time a man with whom you were not in a relationship expected you to adapt your life around his? How would this actually work? Some bloke at the shop wants you to sign over the deeds of your house? A man at work demands that you clean his home every day? In your world, are random males asking for life-changing favours, or was "adapt your life around his" a little bit of an exaggeration, perhaps?
/r/PurplePillDebate03/06/26 02:06 PM
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You see these men as potential threats only. The thought of being with them doesn't just disinterest you; it disgusts you as much as bestiality. Because unattractive men are practically subhuman in your opinion. When men get jealous over celebrities, it's because we know you'd leave us in a heartbeat for said celebrities. Due to hypergamy, women take celebrity obsession to absurd levels from a young age. Have you ever seen young men at a gig, fainting and screaming over a female musician or band…
/r/PurplePillDebate03/06/26 02:00 PM
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You notice below average men as nothing more than potential threats. And supposedly it's men who dehumanise women.
/r/PurplePillDebate03/06/26 01:48 PM
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I didn't say confidence, attractiveness and extroversion are toxicity. I simply demonstrated why it's more likely someone - male or female - who's attractive, confident and extroverted will be more toxic than average. Have you never heard of the very common concept of too much success going to someone's head? People with lots of money spend it more carelessly. Can you not see why people with more options might use them more carelessly too? Toxic people do generally announce themselves up front b…
/r/PurplePillDebate03/06/26 01:45 PM
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They're less likely to play games. Do you think a 30 year old, single his whole life with maybe one awkward instance of sex 5 - 10 years ago, will suddenly become a player as soon as a woman is nice to him?
/r/PurplePillDebate03/06/26 12:23 PM
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Ugly men. There are countless men out there with barely enough confidence to talk to women, let alone play games and try to manipulate.
/r/PurplePillDebate03/06/26 12:19 PM
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There's one group of men, probably the largest if you listen to women these days, that you've not included.
/r/PurplePillDebate03/06/26 12:13 PM
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Men who can get away with it. There will be hundreds of men out there who are just grey, humanoid masses to you because their faces aren't pleasant, they're too short or fat, they don't have fashionable clothes, or they're shy. Some of these men have never had a girlfriend; many of them are virgins or have very little experience. The idea that they get into a relationship and suddenly think they can call the shots is ridiculous. You'll just never know because these men aren't visible to you.
/r/PurplePillDebate03/06/26 12:05 PM
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All kinds of men who are attractive enough to bother with. Attractive men have the luxury of playing games, because there's always someone willing to play.
/r/PurplePillDebate03/06/26 12:01 PM
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You can't tell immediately. But the very fact you're attracted to them raises the likelihood they'll be toxic. Let me guess: you like confidence in a man? Toxic men know that, so they're brash and gregarious because they want as many women as possible. The more success they get, the most confident they become. Presumably, you prefer physically attractive men. Attractive men get a lot of women, so individual women mean less to them. If they feel like being selfish, lazy or unfaithful, they can be…
/r/PurplePillDebate03/06/26 12:00 PM
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Most do not treat women like crap. You just wouldn't know, because the majority of men are invisible to you.
/r/PurplePillDebate03/06/26 11:52 AM
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It sounds like you're falling into the classic trap of not considering the majority of men as real people. What's that? You're talking about "average men"? Well, most women consider the majority of men to be "below average". Mathematically, they're incorrect, but that doesn't matter, apparently. The masses of below average men are like NPCs; you'd hardly know they were there. And the men whose existence you recognise, the ones who are apparently rocking red flags, are above average. Otherwise yo…
/r/PurplePillDebate03/06/26 11:50 AM
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Because IRL most men are fine. Just like most women are fine. If the ones you meet are mostly bad, then either (a) you're falling into the classic trap of not considering the majority of men as real people, or (b) you attract bad men. You've said in the past that you're promiscuous. Promiscuous women do tend to place more emphasis on looks over character because they objectify men, and promiscuous women are more attractive to bad men because they're only interested in exploiting women. I'm not s…
/r/PurplePillDebate03/06/26 09:02 AM
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Most men who appeal to you. There will be countless normal, unabusive men out there who are simply invisible to you. Unfortunately, as we're often told, women can't change whom they're attracted to, so this problem is probably terminal. Fortunately, as we're often told, women are happier single, so enjoy.
/r/PurplePillDebate03/06/26 07:27 AM
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Why wouldn’t you just say “men” ? Because, unlike most women on here, we acknowledge there are bad apples within our gender.
/r/PurplePillDebate03/06/26 06:06 AM
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How do you know they think it if they don't say it?
/r/PurplePillDebate02/06/26 10:52 PM
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That's not lying, ffs. How would you know it's what they think if they didn't say it? Unless we can add mind-reading to the list of Lilith's talents. You said "men think women are thirsty for dick". How do you know this?
/r/PurplePillDebate02/06/26 10:47 PM
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OP didn't say he stares because he got pleasure out of making women uncomfortable, though. Just like my hypothetical person didn't say they believe in a strong military to control people. He said he does it because he wants to, and refuses to let other people control his eyes. Look, I get that you're trying to appear clever. But if you have to lie and invent motives for people to push a narrative, you've lost. It's time to pack up and go home, I'm afraid. All the immature "UR 2 DUMB 2 UNDERSTAND…
/r/PurplePillDebate02/06/26 10:40 PM
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OK, you didn't claim men say it, but you claimed they think it: "Men thinking women are thirsting for dick". Distinction without a difference.
/r/PurplePillDebate02/06/26 10:27 PM
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I was very young and kind of fell into marriage and fatherhood. But yeah, you're right. I do consciously make an effort to be as present and involved as I can.
/r/PurplePillDebate02/06/26 10:11 PM
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Culture is determined by numerous factors. Not just one. This is like saying someone is the definition of Nazi culture because they believe in a strong military.
/r/PurplePillDebate02/06/26 09:08 PM
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Good advice. I get sucked in every time.
/r/PurplePillDebate02/06/26 08:55 PM
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Women are more annoying to men. Men are more annoying to women. Women are less annoying to women. Men are less annoying to men. Neither is worse.
/r/PurplePillDebate02/06/26 08:52 PM
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Culture can't be defined by one factor.
/r/PurplePillDebate02/06/26 08:48 PM
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The definition of rape culture isn't staring at women for too long. That may be a tiny part of it, but you can't say someone is the definition of something because of one factor. If he also verbally harassed women, watched violent porn, stalked women, touched them without consent and raped them, then he would be "the definition of rape culture". Stop being hysterical.
/r/PurplePillDebate02/06/26 08:44 PM
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I understand plenty about women and wouldn't debate anything you said. My point wasn't that women don't struggle with a lot of men's behaviour; my point was that men also put up with a lot from women too. My wife is a wonderful person, but she's extremely hard work. Most married or long term partnered men will know what I mean. Pretending that women are victims and men are tyrants and oafs does nobody any favours.
/r/PurplePillDebate02/06/26 08:37 PM
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The only thing I'm motivated by is looking after my wife and kids. I've written a few novels but don't really find the time nowadays (been stuck on the same one for 4 years having written the previous 3 in 6 months). My day job is boring, and I'm getting old.
/r/PurplePillDebate02/06/26 08:24 PM
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Thanks, Wikipedia. I don't stare at women. I'm not even defending his right to stare at women. Just found your hyperbole absurd.
/r/PurplePillDebate02/06/26 08:18 PM
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What is the definition of rape culture? a) Rapists, some of whom are followed by millions b) Random Redditor #8764910, who stares at women
/r/PurplePillDebate02/06/26 08:04 PM
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All you've done is talk about the female POV. Comment after comment lamenting the hardships of being a woman. One sentence from me about the male POV, and that makes me the solipsistic one?
/r/PurplePillDebate02/06/26 07:50 PM
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You are the definition of rape culture Yeah, forget Epstein, Trump, Weinstein, Tate and Pelicot. This random guy who looks at women is the "definition of rape culture".
/r/PurplePillDebate02/06/26 07:40 PM
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Obviously. But generally they get what they want, so something else must make them misogynistic. Their relationship with their mothers, the way their fathers treated their mothers, their friends, society, religion etc
/r/PurplePillDebate02/06/26 07:21 PM
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They get what they want from women. As misogynists, all they really want is sex and submission, which they get.
/r/PurplePillDebate02/06/26 07:04 PM
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You've not. You've answered why women fuck these misogynists (several times, even though I never asked), but you've not once answered why they're misogynists despite getting what they want from women.
/r/PurplePillDebate02/06/26 06:55 PM
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You claimed men say "women thirst for men's dick". I can't remember seeing this for a long time. Where have you seen it? Dreams don't count.
/r/PurplePillDebate02/06/26 06:51 PM
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Why are men who get want they want from women still misogynists?
/r/PurplePillDebate02/06/26 06:48 PM
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What does that have to do with anything? These men get want they want and are still misogynists. So misogyny can't be caused only by men not getting what they want.
/r/PurplePillDebate02/06/26 06:44 PM
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Do you honestly only see one similarity between Williams, Obama and Harris? Do they not also have something else in common that a lot of idiots in the US hate?
/r/PurplePillDebate02/06/26 06:25 PM
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My question wasn't "why are women with these men?" My question was "if what you're saying is true, why are these men misogynistic when they get everything they want from women?"
/r/PurplePillDebate02/06/26 06:24 PM
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I didn't realise I was talking to an omniscient. We're not discussing why women fuck, serve, defer etc. We're discussing why men are misogynistic. You said it's because they're not getting what they want; I proved you wrong. This is the point where a grown-up says, "OK, you're right. Maybe some men are misogynistic because they're not getting what they want, and some are misogynistic for other reasons".
/r/PurplePillDebate02/06/26 06:15 PM
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Irrelevant. You said men are misogynistic because women aren't giving them want they want. I said some misogynistic men are getting exactly what they want, but they're still misogynists, which proves that your claim is wrong. Women's desires weren't even what was being discussed, did you know?
/r/PurplePillDebate02/06/26 06:04 PM
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I'm like this to the outside world, but not with my kids.
/r/PurplePillDebate02/06/26 05:57 PM
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Michelle Obama gets. How about Kamala Harris or Serena Williams? Seriously? You think their gender is the main reason they're hated? Wake up.
/r/PurplePillDebate02/06/26 05:52 PM
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Some of the most misogynistic men get sex, validation, deference, obedience, submission and service from women, but they're still misogynists. So riddle me that one.
/r/PurplePillDebate02/06/26 05:46 PM
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You would see it differently if you were a man. So many things you don't even consider would annoy you. If you weren't solipsistic, you'd already realise this, but you can only consider things from your point of view. The man you're arguing with has ASPD, yet he's doing a better job of seeing things from your perspective than you are from his. That's how self-absorbed you are. It's something to reflect on, perhaps, if you're capable of self-reflection.
/r/PurplePillDebate02/06/26 05:19 PM
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I haven't seen a man say women are desperate for cock in a long time. Sometimes I wonder if Lilith hails from a parallel dimension where Nelson Mandela died in the 80s.
/r/PurplePillDebate02/06/26 05:02 PM
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It doesn't work exactly like this, OP. Hence all the disingenuous "huh" responses, even though women on here will often claim to frequently see couples where the women is significantly better looking than the man. What actually happens is that women will get with men who they don't think are ugly, but they don't consider them to be extremely attractive either. They're basically the best option available when the woman is looking for a serious relationship. And they're "easy", too, because contra…
/r/PurplePillDebate02/06/26 02:37 PM
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No sane man thinks he can beat a tiger unarmed. Maybe 1% think they could take a gorilla, and they'd be wrong.
/r/PurplePillDebate02/06/26 11:55 AM
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Some men have the remarkable ability to make women feel safe. There are men who are so adept at doing so that they can make a woman feel safe enough to have sex with him within an hour or two, even somewhere like a club bathroom or a friend's bedroom. Rumour has it there are men who emit vibes so reassuring that they can make a woman feel safe with a photo and a couple of messages on an online dating app. Coincidentally, these men are extremely attractive and confident.
/r/PurplePillDebate02/06/26 11:53 AM
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This is exactly it, OP. I don't want government-issued girlfriends, sex bots, or women to settle for and give a chance to men they don't find attractive. I just wish women could be honest.
/r/PurplePillDebate02/06/26 08:03 AM
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By that standard, all of your replies are you whining about him whining.
/r/PurplePillDebate02/06/26 07:23 AM
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The people that disagree with her, by poking holes in her flimsy, emotional argument.
/r/PurplePillDebate01/06/26 11:12 PM
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The refuting you mentioned.
/r/PurplePillDebate01/06/26 10:48 PM
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Very easily, as far as I can see. OP tends to do better when she larps as a sophisticated, liberated, experienced woman who gets exactly what she wants from men. When the mask slips and she descends into "woe is me" rants, she starts embarrassing herself.
/r/PurplePillDebate01/06/26 09:47 PM
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I don't think that. I'm taking the piss out of you. Forgot you Americans need an /s
/r/PurplePillDebate01/06/26 09:28 PM
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It's amazing how some men, even though they're total strangers, can make women feel safe with a few messages on Tinder. Or by dancing together for an hour in a club, or sharing a few shots at a party. They must be the safest men in the world, or something.
/r/PurplePillDebate01/06/26 08:42 PM
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