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Personally I find this way of thinking comforting because it accurately reflects my experiences in the world. Your observation that most men have relationships therefore most men are Alphas is a sound conclusion to reach. That doesn't change the reality that there is a group of straight men (I estimate 5-10% of men) who just aren't desirable to women aka beta males.
/r/PurplePillDebate30/08/24 04:19 PM
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Correct. There are men who can date women (alpha) and there are the unchosen (beta). I believe this is scientific since it can easily be measured by asking men about whether they ever had intercourse with a woman. (Assuming they're telling the truth). You'll find out that there is a small but not insignificant group of men who are undesirable to women and don't have sex or relationships.
/r/PurplePillDebate30/08/24 04:10 PM
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If Alpha males are all men whom women find attractive then by definition Alphas get clingy girlfriends. Beta males don't have relationships or intercourse with women so they also don't get clingy girlfriends. (At least those are the definitions I'm using.) Do you agree? Edit: yes using "Alpha" and "Chad" synonymously
/r/PurplePillDebate30/08/24 03:56 PM
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Children are bad for the environment. The less babies the better
/r/PurplePillDebate30/08/24 03:49 PM
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Tbf men can easily have sex with women anytime if they are willing to pay for it (and live in a country that isn't ultra conservative)
/r/PurplePillDebate30/08/24 11:12 AM
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Yes in this specific example I agree. What I was getting at is that men who provide for women make them financially dependent on them. Amongst couples who have children the woman is more likely to quit her career and stay at home because she has the financial stability of her husband during the crucial years of birthing and raising her child. Also if men stopped providing for women, they would have less opportunities to have children because it would be too expensive. Population size would decre…
/r/PurplePillDebate29/08/24 10:05 AM
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Historically men have accumulated more wealth than women and this difference persists to this day. The most powerful and the wealthiest people in the world are men. By providing for a woman whether she wants it or not you are creating a dynamic of dependency
/r/PurplePillDebate29/08/24 09:49 AM
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This only applies to couples who want kids. I don't see a reason why men and women can take on different roles than society excepts of them if they don't want children
/r/PurplePillDebate27/08/24 03:54 PM
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No beta males are men whom women don't find desirable and will therefore never date or mate with women
/r/PurplePillDebate06/08/24 10:53 AM
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That there is a group of men who are eternally undesirable to women and that no amount of self improvement will change that. That's just natural selection
/r/PurplePillDebate06/08/24 10:52 AM
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So no man ever got desired by a woman?
/r/PurplePillDebate06/08/24 10:21 AM
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I agree. The definition of alpha changes but the definition of beta is consistent: men who don't mate with women are beta males.
/r/PurplePillDebate06/08/24 10:11 AM
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If you're attractive enough to cause attention then you are an alpha male.
/r/PurplePillDebate06/08/24 09:53 AM
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Yes. Women sexually select men thereby dividing them into chosen and unchosen, worthy and unworthy, alpha and beta to ensure that only superior alpha male genes get reproduced. Beta males don't have any desirable attributes. That's why they don't mate with women. True beta males understand their undesirability and accept that they don't have intercourse or relationships with women. Incels on the other hand are men who can't accept that they are beta males so they turn into misogynists.
/r/PurplePillDebate06/08/24 09:46 AM
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Just because they are dressed differently doesn't mean those men aren't alpha's
/r/PurplePillDebate06/08/24 09:19 AM
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That's cool (except the PTSD part. That sucks and I don't really know what a flanker is either). I also should have made it more clear that by Alpha I'm not only talking about the hyper-masculine misogynist, right wing stereotype. To me alpha is just any man that has some attributes (like the ones listed above) that women find attractive. A man can act "feminine" and if that's desirable he's an alpha male.
/r/PurplePillDebate06/08/24 09:11 AM
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Been there. The guys were all really good looking.
/r/PurplePillDebate06/08/24 08:43 AM
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Free will is a delusion that people believe in order to avoid having to confront the chaotic, unpredictable nature of the world. Yet there is no evidence for free will. You are not in control of your life and you could die at any time in the most unforeseeable way possible. You are not responsible for your successes or failures but you'd like to think so because it makes you feel like you have control over your life. You don't. We are all just victims of circumstances so don't be so quick to jud…
/r/ExRedPill02/08/24 05:26 PM
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I hope to move out someday though I have doubts that I will succeed. There are too many obstacles in my way and my brain isn't designed to handle stress very well.
/r/PurplePillDebate29/07/24 02:47 PM
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I think most incels are delusional in that they pretend to accept that women don't want them but they are still angry at women for not picking them. It's a contradiction because true acceptance would subside their hatred. The harsh truth is that baseline qualities sometimes just aren't enough. Women rightfully select men and some of us just don't meet those criteria. Personally I'm not very attractive (as was repeatedly made clear to me since elementary school), I still live at home, I lack masc…
/r/PurplePillDebate29/07/24 11:08 AM
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Personally I don't believe the two are mutually exclusive. In fact, I think constantly questioning what I have to offer is more romantic because then a relationship is more likely to be reciprocal otherwise I'd be getting more than I give.
/r/PurplePillDebate28/07/24 11:26 AM
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To be fair most men don't really take care of their bodies the way most women do. Maybe if they did the male body would also be considered hot or beautiful. Maybe women's shapes are naturally just more beautiful than men's. On the other hand lots of women's fashion is tailored to emphasize shapes like dresses and bikinis while men's fashion is more about status and "coolness" like suits that are mostly identical and those 3/4 shorts that middle aged dad's wear at BBQ parties
/r/PurplePillDebate28/07/24 11:24 AM
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But isn't that the condition? They make you feel better than if you were alone so spend time with them.
/r/PurplePillDebate27/07/24 01:10 PM
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Why would you call someone a land whale? That's a little bit rude don't you think?
/r/PurplePillDebate27/07/24 12:54 PM
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If a man doesn't fulfil your requirements you don't date him. That makes sense.
/r/PurplePillDebate27/07/24 12:30 PM
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Fraudulent means there is an intent to deceive. Things can be untrue without being deceptive. Not true = false
/r/PurplePillDebate27/07/24 12:28 PM
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I guess that's just a semantic argument. Being in love is free. Anyone can fall in love that doesn't guarantee those feelings will be reciprocated. Perhaps the correct way to describe it is that reciprocated love can only be felt by meeting the requirements of a potential partner. In this case that feeling can only be gained by offering something in return
/r/PurplePillDebate27/07/24 12:19 PM
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I have been in love. I just never had anything of value to offer so that love never got reciprocated. If you've ever been in a relationship it's because you have something the other person wants. They had something that you wanted so you formed a relationship.
/r/PurplePillDebate27/07/24 11:55 AM
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How am I being selfish? I'm claiming that women have preferences the same way men do and some of us just aren't able to fulfil them. Some men just have nothing to offer.
/r/PurplePillDebate27/07/24 11:40 AM
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I assume that true love is defined as being unconditional. I claim that no love is unconditional therefore true love doesn't exist. Even if true love exists I never said it's fraudulent
/r/PurplePillDebate27/07/24 11:24 AM
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Parents love for children is also conditional. Parents want to spread copies of their genes. Most people don't care about people they aren't related to.
/r/PurplePillDebate27/07/24 11:21 AM
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I don't know. There are things that women want and I don't have them. I think that a much more healthier approach than blaming women for not loving guys like us.
/r/PurplePillDebate26/07/24 10:28 PM
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I disagree. I think it's a fair worldview because otherwise I'd be demanding something from a woman without giving anything of value to her in return.
/r/PurplePillDebate26/07/24 10:04 PM
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Correct. If I did have something to offer I'd be in a relationship.
/r/PurplePillDebate26/07/24 10:03 PM
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My argument stands irrespective of gender. Can you both fulfil each other's romantic desires? If so then a relationship happens.
/r/PurplePillDebate26/07/24 10:01 PM
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So what do you want to change about the world? Capitalism can be improved with progressive policies such as a carbon tax, higher taxes for the most wealthy, public transport and welfare systems. What do you want to change so that men who have nothing to offer are more attractive to women?
/r/PurplePillDebate26/07/24 07:48 PM
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I agree. Some of us just aren't meant to have relationships
/r/PurplePillDebate26/07/24 07:43 PM
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Exactly. You had something those 110 women (and possibly men) wanted so they let you be with them.
/r/PurplePillDebate26/07/24 07:10 PM
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I love Fd signifier. I watched his video on incels. While I found the video insightful and well done I was left a bit disappointed. First in a video talking about what women actually want he didn't interview any women. It was just the opinions of romantically successful men. Despite finding those opinions useful I still would have liked to hear women's perspectives. Second his solution for incels was to fight capitalism. Don't misunderstand me, I am always up for a revolution but I had the sense…
/r/PurplePillDebate26/07/24 05:28 PM
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Everyone has their own preferences
/r/PurplePillDebate26/07/24 04:08 PM
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I think they should be grateful that they have the privilege of being with a woman.
/r/PurplePillDebate26/07/24 02:25 PM
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It would be like watching a train wreck.
/r/PurplePillDebate26/07/24 02:21 PM
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Yes you're right. I changed my mind. Capitalism and patriarchy have nothing to do with it (they still suck though). I now think love is just about fulfilling other people's desires. If each person has what the other wants they start a relationship. I don't have what women want so they don't want me. That actually seems kinda fair otherwise it would imply I'm taking more than I am giving. I was wrong to say that women want patriarchy. I just don't have what they want. I wish there was a community…
/r/PurplePillDebate26/07/24 01:59 PM
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It's not the length of the list that matters. I argue that entitlement is when someone demands love despite not checking the boxes. So if a woman demanded you fall in love with her even though the box "not fat" is left unchecked then that would be entitled behaviour on her end. Peoples desire can be whatever they want like in a market economy
/r/PurplePillDebate26/07/24 01:32 PM
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That's a requirement women have and you either meet them or get left out. I don't meet those requirements myself but that's just how it is. You also wouldn't just take a car from a car dealership without paying or go out with a woman who doesn't meet your own requirements
/r/PurplePillDebate26/07/24 01:23 PM
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In some dating shows they get kicked out for having sex with each other. In this case it's first to hook up wins
/r/PurplePillDebate26/07/24 01:20 PM
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But you said that some of us aren't loved because we have nothing to offer. Is that not what I was arguing?
/r/PurplePillDebate26/07/24 01:11 PM
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I feel like I'm the wrong target demographic but I'll give it a try.
/r/PurplePillDebate26/07/24 01:09 PM
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"Unloved island"
/r/PurplePillDebate26/07/24 12:59 PM
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Men can work part-time as homemaker and take on roles that used to be primarily ascribed to women and things would even out
/r/PurplePillDebate26/07/24 12:51 PM
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What part of my argument would you describe as cognitive dissonance? I'm stating the facts and accepting them.
/r/PurplePillDebate26/07/24 12:46 PM
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The latter applies to me. Someone in a healthy relationship would never feel the need to think about these sorts of things. But just because you're right doesn't prove me wrong.
/r/PurplePillDebate26/07/24 12:39 PM
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I agree. I think telling men that love is an exchange would make them realise that feeling entitled to a woman (applies to men and women but it's usually men who are entitled) is like demanding to take things from a store without paying
/r/PurplePillDebate26/07/24 12:37 PM
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I was thinking along the lines of they would just neutralise themselves and their extreme views would cancel each other out
/r/PurplePillDebate26/07/24 12:34 PM
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To love is like looking at jewellery through the glass window. Anyone can do it. There's still a price through that some just can't afford to pay.
/r/PurplePillDebate26/07/24 12:31 PM
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Yes that's what I mean. I think everyone has a shopping list floating around their unconsciousness with criteria and some people just don't tick the boxes Edit: Isn't it the list just longer for women that's why they sometimes struggle in dating?
/r/PurplePillDebate26/07/24 12:26 PM
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That sounds terrifying. Maybe red pill and FDS can help each other out
/r/PurplePillDebate26/07/24 12:21 PM
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That might be true but I'm not a woman so what they do doesn't concern me. I'm referring to men since I am one myself.
/r/PurplePillDebate26/07/24 12:12 PM
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What's FDS?
/r/PurplePillDebate26/07/24 12:07 PM
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Women brought me into this world without my persimmon. I never asked to be born yet I am forced to suffer. How is that consensual?
/r/PurplePillDebate26/07/24 08:54 AM
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Before capitalism there were other violent hierarchies always created by men and the women who love them. So not only do betas like me don't get relationships with women in addition we are forced to live in a capitalist, patriarchy that only benefits women and alphas. Women get provider men and those men get power, capital and relationships with women (alphas)
/r/PurplePillDebate26/07/24 07:26 AM
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Unfortunately I'm not into men so that's not an option. To make matters worse there is hardly an abundance of rich women walking around helplessly looking for housewives to clean their mansions or cook for them. And even if there was it's like that line from Mamma Mia: And if she happens to be free I bet she wouldn't fancy me That's too bad Cue dramatic chorus
/r/ExRedPill25/07/24 11:10 PM
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Women have it easier because they have more options. Women can go to work or stay at home. Men only have the option to be a breadwinner or end up homeless.
/r/ExRedPill25/07/24 10:44 PM
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Because in the eyes of women they radiate dominance which is a sign of social status in some contexts
/r/PurplePillDebate25/07/24 09:15 PM
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If the vast majority of men succeed at finding a job and acting masculine wouldn't we expect most men to find relationships?
/r/PurplePillDebate25/07/24 02:00 PM
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I agree there are exceptions. A supermodel homeless guy might get a girl but on average the more prestigious the job the more attractive the man
/r/PurplePillDebate25/07/24 11:36 AM
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That would seem like a reasonable conclusion.
/r/PurplePillDebate25/07/24 11:34 AM
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Yes you're right. I should have been more nuanced. The reason women dated you when you were poor wasn't because women don't care about social status but it's that you must have given her the impression that you have the potential to attain social status. Stuff like IQ, ambitions, work ethic, humour, talent. Therefore men must compete for status and the violent capitalist system will never go away as long as men are incentivized by women to compete. Low status men like me get crushed by the syste…
/r/PurplePillDebate25/07/24 11:31 AM
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It does not surprise me. I find the implications of this conclusion concerning. Men (mostly) want women. Women prefer men with high status. Currently our society rewards status to men who are good at capitalism and patriarchy (acquire capital, prestige, act out role of breadwinner). Therefore men are incentivized by women to compete with each other causing violence and aggression amongst men. If women stopped caring about the status of men patriarchy would go away
/r/PurplePillDebate25/07/24 11:23 AM
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But it greatly increases the probability. Sure there might be one doctor who can't get any but the average doctor will have it easier than the average fast food worker
/r/PurplePillDebate25/07/24 11:10 AM
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Exactly. Muscles and money alone don't entirely make up social status. Women aren't attracted to rich men running manosphere podcasts because wider society considers these men as losers. They are attracted to rich educated men with jobs that are considered prestigious. In some ways women's desire for high status men is the reason capitalism and patriarchy exists. Women reward violent, competitive men who attain status with love and relationships so the system continues since attaining status und…
/r/PurplePillDebate25/07/24 11:09 AM
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Ugly, low status men aren't desirable to women. Dating, Sex and relationships are only natural to those men who have their status to offer to a woman.
/r/PurplePillDebate25/07/24 10:56 AM
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If I recall correctly a higher level of education makes men more attractive to women on average. Winning the Nobel prize falls under that category. In not denying that looks play a role though.
/r/PurplePillDebate25/07/24 10:38 AM
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I agree that looks play a role but aside from being good or at least average looking men must also prove their potential for attaining status
/r/PurplePillDebate25/07/24 10:35 AM
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This is not the conclusion I would reach. All relationships are transactional and under capitalism where men are mostly in charge, men's status depends on his money (money being just one aspect). There will always be something that you must give to be loved in exchange. In a society where status is handed out to men who are most literate, men would be writing poetry all day
/r/PurplePillDebate25/07/24 10:30 AM
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It's not about morality. I'm not making a normative statement. I'm arguing that the higher the wage the more romantic options he has and if he didn't have any kind of status before his accident he probably wouldn't be in a relationship in the first place.
/r/PurplePillDebate25/07/24 10:25 AM
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So if a man isn't working there is really no other role you can imagine him in? Therefore he is a bum? Also it is wrong to equate having a low social status with not having goals or ambitions in life. You assume "he works at MacDonalds therefore he must have had no ambitions in life otherwise he would have been a lawyer"
/r/PurplePillDebate25/07/24 10:23 AM
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Getting sick or injured is often temporary. If injury prematurely ends a successful career (for example in Sports) those men often have the money to stay afloat or the ability to find another job. If Ronaldo loses the ability to walk tomorrow he still retains his status as soccer legend
/r/PurplePillDebate25/07/24 10:19 AM
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Those last three men were the leaders of historical, social movements. What they lacked in capital they made up for in prestige. They were met with admiration from their followers. They were at the top of the hierarchy so I wouldn't be surprised if they experienced romantic success.
/r/PurplePillDebate25/07/24 10:16 AM
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All love is an exchange. There is no such thing as unconditional love. If a man fulfils your requirements and you fulfil his then a relationship occurs.
/r/PurplePillDebate25/07/24 10:12 AM
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So then how can you tell that this "nesting instinct' that the average woman has more of than the average man is genetic and not cultural?
/r/PurplePillDebate21/07/24 11:46 AM
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Genes are only relevant in the environment in which they get expressed in. We didn't evolve to do anything. You're making it sound like humans evolved for millions of years, reached a final end state of genetic perfection and then stopped evolving. That's not how evolution works. Just because there might have been an evolutionary pressure for men to provide and women to nurture 200k years ago in hunter gather societies doesn't mean it has to or should be that way today. There is nothing natural …
/r/PurplePillDebate21/07/24 11:04 AM
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Why would women inherently be better at doing housework than men? If women cook, clean and do childcare more often than men then of course they'll be better because they just practiced more. If men are told that they are better engineers than you'd expect engineering to be male dominated. That would be cultural.
/r/PurplePillDebate21/07/24 08:49 AM
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That impressive. I can't lift that much but I can definitely lift a baby.
/r/PurplePillDebate20/07/24 09:43 PM
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In a situation where both parents are breadwinners the woman would need to take a break from work during and immediately after her pregnancy but after that what would speak against the woman having a career and her man staying at home with the kid (assuming they can afford it)?
/r/PurplePillDebate20/07/24 03:53 PM
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I don't know much about stick warefare but I believe the power imbalance between the average woman and man gets smaller the more advanced the weapon like swords, guns or nukes.
/r/PurplePillDebate20/07/24 03:35 PM
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So if the profit motive is the source of man's expectation to provide for women I'd think we'd be better off without it?
/r/PurplePillDebate20/07/24 03:31 PM
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I'm arguing that there is nothing biologically determined about how our society is set up.
/r/PurplePillDebate20/07/24 03:23 PM
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Humans use tools as forced multipliers. Both men and women can chop down trees, build and manipulate levers and operate crains to build houses. The same can be said about spears, swords and guns. There is nothing stopping women from forming a collective and taking away power from men. If they wanted to they could build castles and create their own hierarchies.
/r/PurplePillDebate20/07/24 03:20 PM
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Then I guess God's planned for me to stay involuntarily celibate. I accept that.
/r/PurplePillDebate20/07/24 03:14 PM
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I thought patriarchy is when the majority of economic and political power is held by men. I think the concentration of power and wealth in the hands of men is just the result of intra-sexual competition. Also if men do the majority of housework and child care work wouldn't that at least come close to the energy investment of pregnancy by women? That would even things out right?
/r/PurplePillDebate20/07/24 03:12 PM
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I'm starting to think that for men like us sex and relationships are just fundamentally off the table and that acceptance is the right path. Do you think the solution for making incels less misogynist is to convince them to just accept their fate? There are many things I won't do in life like owning a yacht or going to space that doesn't make me angry. That's just how it is. Getting angry at women won't change that. What do you think?
/r/PurplePillDebate20/07/24 03:09 PM
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So women on average will always want provider men which means that men will always compete with each other for resources to be picked by women leading to the formation of male hierarchies in which men control political and economic resources? That would be the ultimate conclusion, that patriarchy is inevitable? That would suck
/r/PurplePillDebate20/07/24 03:03 PM
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I think it's more of a technical problem. A woman can go to work without a man but a man can only be a housewife if he has a wife and she owns a house. So given wealth inequality favouring men and a culture that perpetuates the idea of "man the hunter" men who genuinely want to be the housewife of a woman just aren't in demand.
/r/PurplePillDebate20/07/24 03:00 PM
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I think what I was trying to say was that affordable housing and sex and both needs it's just that not everyone gets some and that's just life. While more houses can be built to solve the first problem not much can be done about the second
/r/PurplePillDebate20/07/24 08:55 AM
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Read a statistic earlier saying that around 90% of women and men had sex last year. I guess I'm in the bottom 10% then. It is what it is
/r/PurplePillDebate20/07/24 08:51 AM
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Hey. I never said I was a capitalist. (Though personally I'm a socialist market economy type of guy and less of a centralised planned economy dude but that's besides the point) Higher wages are a good thing and so is affordable housing. What I got wrong was that I should have distinguished between needs that should be met by society and needs that still exist but it is not always possible for ever to get those needs met. Everyone should get food and shelter but no one should be forced to do it w…
/r/PurplePillDebate19/07/24 10:36 PM
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Haha. I wish that was me. That sounds like fun. Maybe in another life.
/r/PurplePillDebate19/07/24 10:23 PM
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I think everyone looks bad from an unflattering angle. Also I'm a soft ass bitch made man. It is what it is.
/r/PurplePillDebate19/07/24 09:33 PM
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I agree acceptance is the best option. Anything else leads down dark paths of entitlement filled with creepy misogyny monsters (at least for men). For some of us it's just not meant to be. If I was a woman I'd probably also not go out with me. I guess it's less about envie and more about the feeling of missing out.
/r/PurplePillDebate19/07/24 09:30 PM
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Thanks. Though I don't know what a mogger is or if it is something I'd aspire to. I just accept men like myself just aren't meant to have sex or be in relationships. I'll probably never own a yacht or go to space. So how's that any different from experiencing sex with a woman. The only difference is that more people do it and I don't.
/r/PurplePillDebate19/07/24 09:24 PM
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Yes exactly. You said it better than me. Men shouldn't be ridiculed or bullied just because we are undesirable to women.
/r/PurplePillDebate19/07/24 08:31 PM
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Women can desire whatever they want. Guys like me just can't fulfil their desires that's why we're single. That's just life.
/r/PurplePillDebate19/07/24 08:27 PM
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I think acceptance is the solution. I don't deserve anyone. I'm kinda ugly and I have nothing to offer.
/r/PurplePillDebate19/07/24 08:26 PM
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That's true. I'm really ugly and I have nothing of value to offer women. I accept relationships are off the table. It's just that people always seem like they're having so much fun having sex. I feel like I'm missing out. It's always the people in the room next door whose bed I hear squeaking. It would be nice to be the ones making the noise instead of just having to listen. Not that that's relevant.
/r/PurplePillDebate19/07/24 08:24 PM
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I'm young but I'm not broke. I don't have an income yet so as much as I would love to have someone to spend money on I'm afraid that would not be sustainable in the long run without burning through my reserves especially if women want luxury products and expensive vacation. I wish I didn't have to be rich to have a relationship.
/r/PurplePillDebate19/07/24 07:39 PM
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I don't approach any women. I have nothing of value to offer.
/r/PurplePillDebate19/07/24 07:29 PM
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That's true. Some of us are just undesirable. Nothing wrong with that. If I was in a woman's shoes (or heels) I also wouldn't go out with me
/r/PurplePillDebate19/07/24 07:18 PM
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I'm 23 and I personally like older women
/r/PurplePillDebate19/07/24 07:12 PM
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I think people can be monogamous without having sex with each other
/r/PurplePillDebate19/07/24 07:09 PM
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I would consider fancy dinners and shopping sprees with a woman a hell of a good time regardless of whether there is physical intimacy provided there the two are compatible.
/r/PurplePillDebate19/07/24 07:03 PM
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Women should do nothing about it. It's just how it is. Some people have relationships and lots of sex and others don't.
/r/PurplePillDebate19/07/24 06:02 PM
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That's still 10% who don't get any
/r/PurplePillDebate19/07/24 04:45 PM
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I would like men like me to stop being mocked for not being able to get some. I'm not demanding that women take a love potion and fall in love with me. I'm not demanding that anyone should sleep with someone they find unattractive neither am I demanding that consent shouldn't matter. Instead I just want people to acknowledge that some men just aren't desirable to women and there's nothing wrong with that. Some me like myself just don't get any yet why do I have to feel lesser because of it?
/r/PurplePillDebate19/07/24 03:26 PM
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Ok I agree. Maybe it's a bit dramatic to say sex is a necessity. But I don't like the constant narrative that men should be ashamed if they cannot find love with a woman. Some guys like myself are just not desirable to women and will never have sex. There's nothing wrong with that but everyone is always saying that men like us are losers just because we don't get any.
/r/PurplePillDebate19/07/24 03:17 PM
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But I don't want to be a real man. I just want to exist without feeling worthless for not being desired by women yet I'm constantly bombarded with talk about how men who can't get laid are losers
/r/PurplePillDebate19/07/24 03:09 PM
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If you are tired of men having to maintain society for women you could always advocate for women being in power instead?
/r/PurplePillDebate19/07/24 03:00 PM
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But we're talking about recreation sex.
/r/PurplePillDebate19/07/24 02:54 PM
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I'm from Germany. It already is. What I'm trying to get at is that some of us are just so undesirable that no woman would ever pick us. Instead other men tell us that we need to "work on ourselves" to be good enough. For some men it's just not meant to be. I wish this fact was met with acceptance instead of blame.
/r/PurplePillDebate19/07/24 02:52 PM
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I think two things can be true at the same time. Just because sex is a need doesn't mean that people are obligated to fulfil that need for other sexless people because it would violate the need for consent. If women only want the top 10% of men they have every right to do so. Why shouldn't they? They rightfully have the power to select men and all their selection is just. Men must accept this and respect it. The thing is I wish people would understand that there are some men who are just never g…
/r/PurplePillDebate19/07/24 02:40 PM
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Personally I wouldn't compare women to fish but I see the point. As a sexless, undesirable man I wish people would stop blaming and making fun of us for not being able to attract a woman. It's not women's fault, it's not men's fault. It's no one's fault. Some of us are just undesirable to women. Telling men that they are failures if they cannot attract women and that they need to "man up" by working on themselves just makes undesirable men at best feel worthless and at worst angry at women. I wo…
/r/PurplePillDebate19/07/24 02:24 PM
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Yes finally that's exactly what I've been saying. Some of us men just aren't meant to mate with women even though we'd love to and that's fine. Some of us are just undesirable and that's also fine. There's nothing wrong with being a sexless man who can't get a relationship. That's just how it is. If you were in a woman's position and you had the power to choose would you honestly go out with someone beneath you whom you are not attracted to? She has every right not to. And forcing someone to do …
/r/PurplePillDebate19/07/24 02:10 PM
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No not at all. If you did care that would be appreciated and if not that's also fine. My point is that yes, incels are right that women only like the top 10% of men yet incels need to accept that women have every right to do so and it is not our place to tell women who to mate with just because we aren't being selected. I've accepted this fact and it made me way more relaxed in life. I just wish sexless, relationshipless men like us wouldn't get made fun of by other men or viewed as failures or …
/r/PurplePillDebate19/07/24 01:57 PM
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No. I think it means that we just don't get any at all (though escorts are always an option)
/r/PurplePillDebate19/07/24 01:47 PM
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Well I don't mate so it's definitely not because of me lol (but for those women and men who do have sex it must suck if only one partner is benefitting)
/r/PurplePillDebate19/07/24 01:44 PM
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I personally don't mind if women are entitled and only sleep with the top 10% alphas. I just don't want to be mocked or stigmatized as a sexless beta.
/r/PurplePillDebate19/07/24 01:13 PM
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Personally, I would not find it patronizing at all. I prefer to accept it. The fact that people think it's emasculating implies that people think it's shameful if men aren't able to get laid. Some of us just aren't meant to mate with women. Incels claim that they accept their fate but if they really accepted their sexlessness they wouldn't be angry at women. Guys like us must accept that we will never have sex the same way we will never be athletes, billionaires or astronauts
/r/PurplePillDebate19/07/24 01:09 PM
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Bold of you to assume I have a partner
/r/PurplePillDebate19/07/24 12:55 PM
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Well I guess this Maslow guy must have gotten laid a lot if sex isn't a need.
/r/PurplePillDebate19/07/24 12:52 PM
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Guys like us who don't have sex are usually men who fail at patriarchy and capitalism. We aren't rich, good-looking, masculine or capable in any capacity. I'm not saying women should give lower status men access to sex. I'm saying that it's a need. It's just that some men just don't get any.
/r/PurplePillDebate19/07/24 12:50 PM
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I thought all sex is the kind where the woman's pleasure is prioritised. If women sexually select men then they are the ones in power so if a man doesn't give her what she wants can't she just replace him with a better man?
/r/PurplePillDebate19/07/24 12:44 PM
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The answer: nothing at all. It's just a harsh reality of life that some men don't have sex despite wanting to
/r/PurplePillDebate19/07/24 12:36 PM
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There's no doubt women can be lonely too. I'm aware of the tragedies that take place over at FAW. My perspective as a man is limited so I don't know what it's like to be a woman sexually desired by men but I feel like I'd rather be desired only for my body and reject that person than not be desired at all. Do you feel differently?
/r/PurplePillDebate19/07/24 12:35 PM
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I know that life is unfair. That's just how it is. I also know that some guys belong to a class of men whom women find desirable. I do not belong to that class. I just wish more people would expect that some men are just so undesirable that no women would ever be with them instead of being told to work on ourselves. Sex and relationships are needs that some of us simply don't get. I just wish guys like us wouldn't be called "losers" or "failures" just because we will never mate. Would you not fe…
/r/PurplePillDebate19/07/24 12:30 PM
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I agree. And I think the overvaluation of sex puts pressure on men who are just undesirable to women. For some men sex or relationships are just things they will never experience the same way that some people will never be rich or travel the world
/r/PurplePillDebate19/07/24 12:15 PM
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Ok I wasn't clear enough with my argument. I'm not saying that women should be obliged to fulfil men's desires. I also think I focused too much on sex and should rather have said most men have a need for a relationship. Whether that need gets met or not is irrelevant. I still think a relationship is a need though.
/r/PurplePillDebate19/07/24 12:09 PM
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Something can be a need without there being an obligation by others to fulfil that need. Someone could need a new organ out of dire health reasons yet that doesn't mean others are obligated to have theirs removed to donate. But there is still a need for a new organ.
/r/PurplePillDebate19/07/24 12:00 PM
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I like that way of thinking about it. It's a need but no one is obligated to fulfil that need. Sometimes we don't have our needs met and that's just life and guys like me need to accept that.
/r/PurplePillDebate19/07/24 11:56 AM
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I think the reason so many women are comfortable being celibate is because for the vast majority of women (yes I know FAW exists) not having sex or relationships with men is a choice. For men it's not. If I'm single (obviously I am) it's because no one desires me. If you're single it's because you want to be.
/r/PurplePillDebate19/07/24 11:50 AM
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The way I see it is that there are alphas (men whom women find attractive), betas (men who are forever unattractive to women) and Incel's (men who are betas but can't accept that they are betas and that women will never be attracted to them so they turn into misogynists. I think what many men lack is acceptance. What's wrong with women only wanting alphas? Why shouldn't they? Some men just need to accept that they will never be attractive to women and move on instead of getting obsessed with wom…
/r/PurplePillDebate18/07/24 07:01 PM
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But then it's no surprise that patriarchy exists. If the main function of men is to protect and to provide for women that means men must compete with each other in the political and economic realm meaning that they will be the ones who acquire resources and power. Like I get that women are broke af under patriarchy but I always thought the "man the provider" idea is kinda outdated and only concentrates more power in the hands of men
/r/PurplePillDebate15/07/24 10:09 AM
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Sounds like lord of the flies. Also I always get the impression that men are mostly valued for their ability to provide. I feel like the nurturing, caring side usually doesn't play a role in dating. Then again I've never dated so I wouldn't know.
/r/PurplePillDebate15/07/24 12:05 AM
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Personally, I like to define gendered societies based on who ever is in power. If the vast majority of political and economic power is held by men it's a patriarchy otherwise it's a matriarchy. I wonder if the roles were reversed if women would have the provider, and men the caretaker role
/r/PurplePillDebate14/07/24 10:41 PM
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Can't some men and women just be friends?
/r/PurplePillDebate14/07/24 10:31 PM
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The only problem is that when men compete, only the most successful, ambitious, power hungry men end up on top, in society and in the bedroom. This means that men are more likely to be in power than women and this makes it easy for men to create dominated societies. I sometimes wonder if all of capitalism and patriarchy is just the result of men competing for women and women only wanting "high-quality", "high status" men
/r/PurplePillDebate14/07/24 10:31 PM
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I'm not really talking about simps. I mean when men catcall, send DMs, dick picks, follow lots of women on IG who don't follow them back, swiping right on every woman on a dating app or even using dating apps all only benefis the advantage women have in choosing men. It is in the interests of men to not do that because it makes them more valuable
/r/PurplePillDebate14/07/24 09:54 PM
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I thought most men are like that? No?
/r/PurplePillDebate14/07/24 09:37 PM
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As humans we are greatly influenced by culture, more than any other species. Culture has changed countless times throughout history. In a culture where men are comfortable being single and don't chase after women they would have a much easier time finding a relationship. It is in our own interest.
/r/PurplePillDebate14/07/24 09:29 PM
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I feel bad for FAW women and men who deny their struggles are insensitive. I was arguing that straight men would have an easier time dating if they weren't so desperate. It would probably benefit women because they'd stop receiving so many DMs from men.
/r/PurplePillDebate14/07/24 09:23 PM
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As a man I'm not judging other men. I'm saying that we would have a much easier time if most of us weren't so desperate
/r/PurplePillDebate14/07/24 08:52 PM
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You think men actually care about that "woman greets you with a smile when you come home from work" stuff? That's rather naive. The majority of men want to be treated like a king by their partners in order to satisfy his ego satisfied and to validate his masculinity amongst other men. Most men only want relationships for two reasons: firstly, so they don't feel like losers and secondly to have sex. If you have a boyfriend the only reason you're still a couple is because you have sex with him. Do…
/r/PurplePillDebate26/06/24 04:11 PM
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Ok Sigmund Freud. Weren't you the one who said it's all about sex. Then answer me this: have you ever been in a relationship before and if so would you really have stuck around had she not been willing to sleep with you?
/r/PurplePillDebate26/06/24 04:03 PM
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I thought the standard piece of advice for men struggling to find a relationship was "never seek a relationship just to fill the void. Find friends, get a hobby, therapy..." Yet here everyone is claiming that a relationship is precisely what is required for that void to go away?
/r/PurplePillDebate26/06/24 03:24 PM
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I think most women have a lot to offer in a relationship. It's just that in many cases men don't care about what women have to offer other than sex or it's not worth the effort getting into a relationship
/r/PurplePillDebate26/06/24 12:57 PM
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I don't think biology predisposes anyone to do anything. Environment and genes influence each other. Personally I wouldn't want submission or service from a partner since I can do most things myself but that's just my preference.
/r/PurplePillDebate26/06/24 12:51 PM
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I don't want a housewife, paid or not. I can take care of the household myself, thank you. I don't know who you are trying to appeal to but the idea of coming home from a long day of work to provide and protect my family like a real man seems a bit outdated to me and it's not my lifestyle. But each to their own.
/r/PurplePillDebate26/06/24 12:40 PM
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In monetary terms certainly. But the overall energy a man has to invest differs from man to man. A smart, good looking man with a high salary will need to invest less energy to find a partner than an ugly, uneducated man with mental health problems. For the latter group a relationship has more costs than benefits.
/r/PurplePillDebate26/06/24 12:34 PM
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Nothing in life is free. You are investing a huge amount of time and energy just to get laid that could be spent better elsewhere. Maybe you're the type of man who has an easy time dating in that case paid services don't make sense for you and good for you but the thing is everything is transactional. She's only sleeping with me because I pay her. She's only sleeping with you because you give her something she wants (looks, money, status, free therapy). You decide what's better.
/r/PurplePillDebate26/06/24 12:29 PM
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I was at a party once and a good friend and I were laying on the sofa drunk. Out of nowhere he suddenly started cuddling me. I thought it was adorable and I enjoyed it so I put an arm around him as well. Girls do it all the time. We stopped when other men started mocking us, taking photos and using a homophobic slurs. Personally I'm into women and I'm fairly certain I'm not Bi but I definitely felt a strong sense of bond in that moment. Neurologically I'm not so sure the brain knows the differen…
/r/PurplePillDebate26/06/24 12:16 PM
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That seems like a reasonable conclusion. I never said women benefit from relationships with men either. If you were doing most of the work then leaving would seem like the best option
/r/PurplePillDebate26/06/24 12:09 PM
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I would say we're meant to be in groups, family or no family
/r/PurplePillDebate26/06/24 12:06 PM
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The main reason your partner stays together with you is because you offer them sex. Tell him no sex for the next few months and I bet he won't stay for long. I believe most men lie to themselves thinking they want romantic relationships the same way women do, but in reality they just want sex.
/r/PurplePillDebate26/06/24 12:04 PM
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And those feelings are always transactional. Don't be naive enough to think that anyone would ever love you unconditionally. It's always about having something to offer. If your girlfriend didn't give you sex you'd break up with her
/r/PurplePillDebate26/06/24 10:10 AM
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Well I would expect those results. In our society you are supposed to get married, have kids and live in small isolated groups called the "nuclear family" and occasionally meet up with other isolated groups for BBQ. The way we live means that most people mostly have meaningful social interactions with their partners not out of choice but necessity. We live in small family units so we will spend most of our time in small family units
/r/PurplePillDebate26/06/24 09:26 AM
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I can pay for it
/r/PurplePillDebate26/06/24 09:12 AM
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What? That's exactly my point. There is no value I get from a relationship with a woman that can't be substituted with lower energy activities such as getting a pet, therapist, friends.
/r/PurplePillDebate26/06/24 09:10 AM
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Then I must not be a man. Funny how biology works.
/r/PurplePillDebate26/06/24 09:02 AM
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I believe there is no unconditional love. You love him because he benefits you. He loves you because you benefit him. I bet that if you decide to not sleep with him anymore for the next couple months he would be a different man. Then again what do I know. The thing is for some men acquiring those benefits necessarily for love (looks, income, status amongst others) requires a tremendous amount of energy and I think it's just not worth it for most men (including myself)
/r/PurplePillDebate26/06/24 08:57 AM
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While I find your ability to "get pussy every" admirable I don't see the difference between that and just paying for it. Especially if someone is more well off. Love is nothing more than an exchange. There are things that you provide for her that make up the reasons she sticks around. She doesn't want YOU she wants the things you have to offer. You offer her financial and emotional support in exchange she gives you kids and sex.
/r/PurplePillDebate26/06/24 08:51 AM
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An eye for an eye, a shaft for a shaft
/r/PurplePillDebate26/06/24 08:44 AM
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Why do you refer to it as "failed at mating". From a biological perspective successful are those organisms that spread the most copies of their genome. According to that women who decide not to have kids would also have "failed at mating" and could be considered biological losers. Not very nice. If mating is just having sex then booking time with an escort would be a win. I believe the idea of "failing at mating" is harmful because it implies that people especially men who are single are somehow…
/r/PurplePillDebate26/06/24 08:43 AM
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I totally agree. I personally think it's much easier to find a really good friend to fulfil each other's emotional needs than to look for a relationship. I always wonder why so many men are afraid of being single.
/r/PurplePillDebate26/06/24 08:30 AM
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Yes wanting kids would seem like a valid reason for pursuing a relationship with a woman. Personally I don't want any.
/r/PurplePillDebate26/06/24 08:24 AM
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Like literally just get a dog or a cat or a therapist. Don't have to go through all the trouble of dating. Also friendship is an option. Companionship, emotional support, motivating each other towards personal growth and feelings of fulfilment can just as well be achieved with friendship, validation and unconditional love through pets and emotional support through therapy. Social norms that pressure men into relationships are harmful to men and should be put to rest. Also who cares about offspri…
/r/PurplePillDebate26/06/24 08:21 AM
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But then why don't those men just get a dog? (Aside from the sexual needs of course in which case sex works are an option) Much less trouble than a girlfriend
/r/PurplePillDebate26/06/24 08:09 AM
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That makes sense. Though I would question the direction of the effect. Is it not possible that men with better physical health are usually more attractive and therefore more likely to be in a relationship with a woman?
/r/PurplePillDebate26/06/24 08:06 AM
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Really? men want children? I always thought it was women more often than men who push to get married and have kids. Men jokingly comparing marriage to going to jail come to mind
/r/PurplePillDebate26/06/24 08:04 AM
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No they shouldn't. The more desperate, horny men in the dating market, the higher the supply of men so the value of each individual man goes down. All that happens is that women have more men to choose from making it harder for men in general. As a man why are you so afraid of being sexless? Why are you so scared of being single? Have some standards and if you can't find a woman who meets those requirements then stay single. If all you want from a woman is sex then masturbate or book time with a…
/r/PurplePillDebate24/06/24 09:40 PM
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For most men seeing an attractive woman's nude body is enough to turn them on. In society women are shown naked or lightly dressed far more often than men. Do you think if men were shown nude or lightly dressed as often as women (in TV shows, nude scenes in movies, bill boards, insta thirsts traps, etc) women would also be turned on simply by visuals the way men are?
/r/PurplePillDebate23/06/24 12:32 PM
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What kind of risks?
/r/PurplePillDebate23/06/24 12:21 PM
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What I'm trying to say is that it feels like you are demanding all men must be providers to women in order for them to be desirable. Is there really no other role a man can take on other than being the breadwinner?
/r/PurplePillDebate21/06/24 06:15 PM
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I always thought men want to make money to impress women and if women didn't care about men with money then men would stop being ambitious and not care about having lots of money. Also I am a man who is bad at patriarchy. I am not very competitive and when I do compete I often lose and even when I rarely win I feel bad for the loser. From my perspective the idea on anyone encouraging men to be ambitious and wealthy feels like a threat to my existence.
/r/PurplePillDebate21/06/24 04:01 PM
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I think the idea of holding people accountable is illogical since there is no evidence for free will. If free will doesn't exist who is anyone ever responsible for anything? We are all the products of circumstance.
/r/PurplePillDebate21/06/24 03:51 PM
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Yeah but the reason those measures are in place is because women have been historically disadvantaged.
/r/PurplePillDebate21/06/24 03:12 PM
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I don't understand. Could you please elaborate. Also my search feed is full of videos of red pandas. It's the reels tabs that constantly recommends me videos of how men and women should act
/r/PurplePillDebate21/06/24 02:13 PM
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Ok well then how do you define a "good man"?
/r/PurplePillDebate21/06/24 09:27 AM
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So is there not a clear preference for successful, high status men?
/r/PurplePillDebate21/06/24 08:54 AM
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So in theory would it be possible to have a completely gender equal society that still only values men based on their achievements in the workplace? (I'm assuming that those achievements translate to how attractive women find those men)
/r/PurplePillDebate21/06/24 08:49 AM
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Your argument is that women don't reward men with relationships they just go out with men with whom they vibe with. But if men with the best vibes happen to be the most successful ones then functionally can't a relationship be considered a reward? A man works hard to be successful to attain have a higher status (I'm using status and income interchangeably here) to vibe better with a potential partner because otherwise most women won't go out with him.
/r/PurplePillDebate21/06/24 08:44 AM
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Really? Maybe I'm on Instagram too much because I follow lots of left wing contact relating to gender and I get recommended the occasional relationship meme by women targeted at women and most of the time memes praise "dominant men with masculine energy". The comments are full of people saying stuff like "bring back masculine men" or "men want transitional women but aren't able to provide themselves" implying that traditional gender roles are still very much in demand despite women having gained…
/r/PurplePillDebate21/06/24 08:33 AM
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I don't know. I think because it feels nice? Experiences that feel nice are rewarding yet there are certain experiences unattainable to men who don't win at patriarchy like having a relationship.
/r/PurplePillDebate21/06/24 08:23 AM
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So do you think the empowerment of women would reduce hypergamy and therefore reduce competition amongst men?
/r/PurplePillDebate21/06/24 07:34 AM
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I would think a relationship is rewarding. Yet the higher a man's income the higher the likelihood of meeting a woman who wants to be in a relationship with that man, no?
/r/PurplePillDebate21/06/24 07:31 AM
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No one has to compete for anything. Can't we just share?
/r/PurplePillDebate21/06/24 06:15 AM
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Yes and it is precisely women's desire for men to go to work and compete with each other that leads to intrasexual competition and makes them more aggressive and allows them to attain more power than women which then leads to male dominated societies.
/r/PurplePillDebate21/06/24 05:37 AM
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Fine. Let's consider one partner going to work to make money parental investment. Why should men going to work to provide resources and women staying at home to care for the children be anything other than arbitrary? There is no reason why it can't be the other way around. Also if men going to work is parent investment and men work longer hours than women then men would be the sex investing more energy on average into offspring meaning that in theory they should be the picky sex selecting women …
/r/PurplePillDebate20/06/24 08:53 PM
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I'm not sure I can agree with that statement. Is it not true that women historically and currently spend way more time than men taking care of the children? Most of the time I see a stroller usually being pushed by a woman. I read somewhere that women are more likely to give up their career to take care of the kids than men. Do you consider men going out to work as parental investment? I don't.
/r/PurplePillDebate20/06/24 07:19 PM
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If men did the majority of child care work they would invest more energy into offspring and they would become more picky than women (according to parental investment theory). I believe subconsciously this idea scares women because it would mean that women would have to compete with each other for men, losing the ability to "choose". In such a society there would be some women who go their entire life without ever once being desired by or having a relationship with a man despite wanting one. By s…
/r/PurplePillDebate20/06/24 05:35 PM
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Sorry I just have one more question and it's really urgent: you said that in a sexually dimorphic species males evolving to be larger stronger, more aggressive is the result of intra-sexual competition meaning men compete with others to mate with women NOT women selecting those aggressive men... so does that mean that the dating preference some women have who are inclined towards men with physical strength, money, status, dominance and an assertive "masculine" attitude is mostly cultural?
/r/PurplePillDebate20/06/24 12:38 PM
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I mean that while most women want their husbands to help out around the house and contribute to raising the children I believe a vast majority of women don't actually want a reversal of gender roles where the man is the full-time housewife and the woman is the full-time breadwinner. Am I wrong?
/r/PurplePillDebate20/06/24 11:41 AM
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Really? I always got the impression that women were the ones who didn't want their men to be housewives (or in this case househusbands) but instead desired breadwinners. I wouldn't mind being wrong here
/r/PurplePillDebate20/06/24 12:03 AM
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Why the armchair psychology?
/r/PurplePillDebate19/06/24 11:47 PM
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Parental care is any energy investment going into raising a child. If you work hard to buy your wife a stroller and she uses the stroller to go on a walk with the baby she is the one doing the parental care. You bought the tool that allows her to do parental care.
/r/PurplePillDebate19/06/24 11:36 PM
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What does judgment have to do with my argument? I made the claim that straight women's sexual preferences lead to the selection of potentially aggressive men who then create a patriarchy that oppresses some men and most women. I'm not blaming anyone since blame is a nonsensical construct used to justify punishment. There is no evidence for the existence of free will so any assertion of blame is illogical.
/r/PurplePillDebate19/06/24 11:26 PM
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So if patriarchy actually reduces male aggression through male-male alliances do you personally think you benefit from patriarchy because at least we don't have to deal with these hyper dominant males? Also babies can't do taxes. Just because women get pregnant doesn't mean that they need to be the ones who raise offspring. If men did all the child care work post-pregnancy they would be the ones with the higher paternal investment thus becoming more picky than women. My personal conspiracy theor…
/r/PurplePillDebate19/06/24 11:15 PM
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It's true that having children is more costly for women but only in a male dominated societies. There is no biological necessity for women to be the primary caretaker. While I agree that pregnancy is a massive, potentially risky investment that a woman must make to reproduce it's also true that babies can't do taxes. Just because a baby is born doesn't mean that it will survive instead requiring a massive energy investment to raise the offspring. Yet aside from breastfeeding for the first few ye…
/r/PurplePillDebate19/06/24 11:08 PM
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I just don't understand why we don't live in a world where Elon Musk is a woman called Ella Monk, a billionaire and has several children with several men. Why don't men care about wealthy women as much?
/r/PurplePillDebate19/06/24 05:40 PM
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Regrettably
/r/PurplePillDebate19/06/24 04:52 PM
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Personally I wouldn't mind living in an egalitarian polyandrous society but I guess neither women nor men want that. It is what it is. Also it's just learned that from an evopsych perspective it's men who gatekeep the sexuality of other men explaining why men are more competitive and aggressive.
/r/PurplePillDebate19/06/24 04:20 PM
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Actually I just learned about intrasexual competition from another commenter where sexual selection isn't just women selecting traits in men but also includes men preventing other men from reproducing for example via bullying, violence and dominance battles. So it's not women's sexuality but men's aggression towards other men that makes the "weaker", "submissive" men, who might otherwise make for ideal caretakers and nurturers, get bullied out of existence by the more aggressive ones. There's ju…
/r/PurplePillDebate19/06/24 04:03 PM
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This is what I don't understand. I've seen many comments with 1000+ likes by women saying "bring back masculine men". I wonder what that's about. I remember that photoshoot by Rihanna where she led her husband and it got criticized not just by men but by women saying that women "shouldn't lead, men should lead"
/r/PurplePillDebate19/06/24 03:43 PM
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That makes sense. I bet you've heard of parental investment theory? It's that the sex who invests more energy in total into offspring end up being the "picky" one and it does always have to be females selecting males. For example in a bird species called Phalaropes it's actually the female birds who are larger, stronger and more dominant than the male birds. The reason being that while the females lay eggs it's the males who do the vast majority of care work such as incubation and raising the ch…
/r/PurplePillDebate19/06/24 03:39 PM
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I falsely assumed women held the ultimate power but I just learned that intrasexual competition also is a thing for example when men try to prevent other men from mating through violence regardless of what women want.
/r/PurplePillDebate19/06/24 01:41 PM
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Is it true that women on average are less into casual fun or is that the result of cultural norms?
/r/PurplePillDebate19/06/24 01:24 PM
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Ok so I just learned from another commenter that sexual selection in humans isn't just about women selecting men but also about men preventing other men from mating. So if I understand it correctly it is entirely possible that men evolved to be more aggressive not because but despite women's sexual preferences. If men who are caring and nurturing get bullied out of existence then the more violent men are the only ones who remain.
/r/PurplePillDebate19/06/24 01:22 PM
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Wait what's wrong with gold diggers or sex workers? Some people like a partner who is rich and successful. If patriarchy was reversed and women were in power I would totally be a gold digger myself. (Or a stripper if I was attractive enough)
/r/PurplePillDebate19/06/24 01:18 PM
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So do I understand you correctly? Sexual selection isn't just about one sex picking the other (intersexual) but also includes individuals of the same sex preventing each other from mating with the other sex?
/r/PurplePillDebate19/06/24 01:11 PM
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But if intersexual completion is what's causing a selection pressure towards men who have higher rates of aggression, wouldn't we be better off without men being competitive with each other? Also I always feel like when I look at other people in relationships it's mostly the man who is the metaphorical larger spoon (older, wealthier, more likely to lead) Why isn't it the other way around then?
/r/PurplePillDebate19/06/24 12:51 PM
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Oh that makes sense. So intrasexual competition is what's ruining our species. So then why don't women band together to seize power from men and only go out with submissive femboys who take care of their kids instead of starting wars from them on? Wouldn't that be in their interest?
/r/PurplePillDebate19/06/24 12:30 PM
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I'm wondering why our species is sexually dimorphic in favour of men and why we aren't part of a species where women are taller, larger, stronger and more status seeking and competitive than men and why women on average prefer masculine men over submissive, breedable men. I'm not saying I think women like men who are aggressive towards them. I'm arguing that men who have the potential to be aggressive towards other men were favoured by women for the last million or so years of human evolution ca…
/r/PurplePillDebate19/06/24 12:22 PM
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