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| 1 | Most of the men of the current manosphere have poor character and that is the main contributor to their lack of success in the SMP/RMPI'm not arguing specifically that women have the ability to change who they're sexually attracted to because of their agency, though I think there is some evidence that they've got more latitude on this than men because of the way they're socialized. I am arguing, however, that you and the RP bros are not capable of using RP philosophy to hack the code that informs this attraction. This is because RP begins from flawed premises, the variables involved are too complex, RP misunderstands and selec… | /r/PurplePillDebate | 19/08/19 01:21 AM |
| 2 | Most of the men of the current manosphere have poor character and that is the main contributor to their lack of success in the SMP/RMPThis comment, which does nothing to rebut any of the points that I made, is also steeped in the weird pathological mindset that I'm talking about. You're arguing with total certainty that female agency doesn't matter at all because there is an underlying homogeneous biological drive that makes it irrelevant, and you're also arguing that this drive can be understood perfectly--and best of all--you're arguing that it is simple and you understand it. You claim that humans are no more complicated th… | /r/PurplePillDebate | 19/08/19 01:01 AM |
| 2 | Most of the men of the current manosphere have poor character and that is the main contributor to their lack of success in the SMP/RMPI'm going to address what you said here, I promise. But first I want to point out a few of pathologies evident in your short comment that reflect what I'm talking about. I'm guessing because you mention school that your job searches have been in the context of someone still in school. I'm also assuming you're American, which might be wrong. But if you're a school-aged guy (and this includes college), the types of jobs that you're gunning for don't require a lot of the same skills as a profession… | /r/PurplePillDebate | 18/08/19 05:41 PM |
| 10 | Most of the men of the current manosphere have poor character and that is the main contributor to their lack of success in the SMP/RMPThere may have been a few thoughtful people who have written down RP ideas at some point in the past, but the entire contemporary RP worldview is an adult tantrum, codified into a self-reinforcing cult for maladjusted men who blame everything but their own attitude for their failures. | /r/PurplePillDebate | 18/08/19 12:33 AM |
| 2 | Can women be feminine while with a masculine man and not be dependent on him?Glad my sincere concern could entertain. Have a good day. | /r/PurplePillDebate | 16/01/19 06:05 PM |
| 4 | Can women be feminine while with a masculine man and not be dependent on him?I don’t belong to an internet cult that dehumanizes women. That’s my qualification for saying “don’t get advice here” to a woman seeking advice. No answer I give you to that question is going to make you happy, because you’re not attacking me for who I am or because I told OP not to get advice here. You’re attacking me because of the things I said about Red Pill, which I sincerely believe is a destructive cult that dehumanizes women and provides a pathological sort of meaning to men who’ve faile… | /r/PurplePillDebate | 16/01/19 05:30 PM |
| 4 | Can women be feminine while with a masculine man and not be dependent on him?I’m not a “bluepiller” because my views on the world aren’t bound by the binary designations of the weird Red Pill cult. There’s a grain of truth to Red Pill, and that grain has been used to bake a toxic bread of misogyny, slavish devotion to ideology, and bad outcomes. I didn’t offer advice. I just said that this isn’t the place to get advice. I said that because it’s true. | /r/PurplePillDebate | 16/01/19 04:47 PM |
| 10 | Can women be feminine while with a masculine man and not be dependent on him?I can’t emphasize this enough: don’t post in this forum for relationship advice. The Red Pill people here have such a warped view of the way human relationships work based on flawed assumptions built up over years in echo chambers. Even if I had faith in every totem of their weird cult, I wouldn’t go to their fora for advice because they are so condescending and self-trained to negate their better angels that they become incapable of doing anything but spouting off ideological ramblings. You can… | /r/PurplePillDebate | 16/01/19 03:35 PM |
| 4 | Women need to take responsibility for choosing shitty menI'm really tired of unpacking the boatload of assumptions in every response post. I'm also not going to unpack the fact that your post sounds like a filibuster by a Senator from a southern state, though I might agree with some of the substance. Suffice to say you're referring to a very specific subculture that is based on a particular fantasy, and most of the rap you're talking about is made by men, not women. So I'll just unpack this part--sex isn't a reward. A male human does not perform tasks… | /r/PurplePillDebate | 05/01/19 05:47 PM |
| 4 | Women need to take responsibility for choosing shitty menI understand the premise behind Red Pill, and it's not even completely wrong. Benefit maximizing behavior when it comes to mating is pretty common across the animal kingdom. But your dumb movement doesn't care about contextualizing the science or recognizing how squishy social sciences can be. Human behavior cannot be explained with an equation, and behavioral biology can be used to justify all sorts of things. On top of that, Red Pill ignores the evolutionary underpinnings of phenomena like rec… | /r/PurplePillDebate | 05/01/19 05:39 PM |
| 2 | Women need to take responsibility for choosing shitty menOP's post was a complaint for women to take responsibility for choosing to be with shitty men while avoiding the question of who the shitty men are or why they are shitty. It's two dimensions of willful, misogynistic foolishness for you to take that first argument and make it into a condemnation of single motherhood. I don't feel like typing all of this out again, so I direct you to my previous response. Sure, let's talk stats. According to the most recent US census, most single mothers in the U… | /r/PurplePillDebate | 05/01/19 04:56 PM |
| 1 | Women need to take responsibility for choosing shitty menSorry if it wasn't clear, I was mocking you. I don't accept the tenets of your weird cult and I think your advice is irresponsible and destructive. | /r/PurplePillDebate | 05/01/19 04:52 PM |
| 2 | Women need to take responsibility for choosing shitty menI've known one or two women like that. Most aren't, in my experience. Good to know that people who've chosen to ahem voluntarily exclude themselves from dating and relationships are offering this excellent advice for the rest of us, though. Treat women like garbage, check. | /r/PurplePillDebate | 05/01/19 05:13 AM |
| 2 | Women need to take responsibility for choosing shitty menSure, let's talk stats. According to the most recent US census, most single mothers in the US receive no government aid, are gainfully employed in a full-time job, have only one child, and started parenthood in a committed relationship or marriage--meaning in the 82% of cases where the single-parent household is headed by a mother, it's the man who isn't around. Where is the father's responsibility for leaving in this? Your change in focus onto single-parent households changes nothing about my c… | /r/PurplePillDebate | 05/01/19 04:44 AM |
| 1 | Women need to take responsibility for choosing shitty menTypical non-argument, non-debate anecdotal /r/PurplePillDebate topic dripping with rage against women. It's none of your fucking business who women decide to date. They don't need to take responsibility to you or anyone else. Why isn't your argument "Men need to be held responsible for being shitty partners?" Why is the onus on women? If I choose to associate myself with assholes, the assholes bear no responsibility for being assholes? Here's a debate topic: At what point will you Red Pill types… | /r/PurplePillDebate | 04/01/19 06:00 PM |
| 1 | Feminism never holds women responsible for anything.My naivete knows no bounds. | /r/PurplePillDebate | 01/01/19 11:52 PM |
| 6 | Feminism never holds women responsible for anything.So, that's what this is, then? A seemingly noble effort that inevitably leads to catastrophic outcomes? Women in the workplace being treated fairly becomes a hellscape where you get your dick cut off for asking someone out? Not in my world, buddy. You see, the problem is, that's a huge assumption, and this is supposed to be a forum for debate. Not everyone thinks this way from the start, and if you're actually here to debate, you should put forward an argument. In my world comparing an Equal Rig… | /r/PurplePillDebate | 01/01/19 11:50 PM |
| 12 | Feminism never holds women responsible for anything.I've never heard a feminist make the argument that the most important tenant of feminism is influencing powerful men, and I don't know anyone in my life who would describe feminism this way. | /r/PurplePillDebate | 01/01/19 06:57 PM |
| 1 | Feminism never holds women responsible for anything.Seems like most people here are cheerleading this blatant strawman that isn't an argument, a question, or fodder for a debate. I don't understand the point if this subreddit isn't supposed to be an echo chamber. It's tough to even engage, really, when "what is feminism" is a question that hasn't been asked or answered, and the assumed answer here seems to be "whatever I need it to be for it to be wrong." Feminism is lots of things to lots of different people, and OP's strawman, obviously made in… | /r/PurplePillDebate | 01/01/19 06:53 PM |
| 1 | Men are really disposable.I don't understand how I earned your complete hostility. The wildly extreme part was your example of a lesbian dance theory degree, not the debt associated with a degree. Most people don't go to college and come out with a degree like that, and even people who study the humanities and come out with a communications degree generally do better than people with a high school diploma. | /r/PurplePillDebate | 22/06/18 10:49 PM |
| 1 | Men are really disposable.Excellent work providing a wildly extreme example in bad faith while also dismissing a call for data or evidence. Best I can tell the argument here is that education is a scam, unnamed studies trump up the benefits of education because data scientists are in big education's pocket, and also people who major in the humanities are bad with money. Great narrative. | /r/PurplePillDebate | 22/06/18 09:29 PM |
| 1 | Men are really disposable.Frankly I don't understand exactly what you're arguing--what does it mean to lump all grads together? What do felons have to do with this? What about college educated felons? What study are you talking about? I don't know what specific study you're talking about, but I've never seen a single study that shows people are LESS successful with a degree than without. I'm sure it's in the interest of colleges to overstate what an education does for you, but that doesn't mean it's all a big scam. It's … | /r/PurplePillDebate | 22/06/18 02:30 PM |
| 1 | Men are really disposable.This is such a weird thing to focus on in this post. College education has a measurable effect on future earning potential. Women tend to do better in college and at least among millennials, women are better educated. You could surely argue that earning potential doesn't equal value or usefulness, but you can infer from the discussion that OP is indeed arguing that. As much as I disagree with his main point, he is providing evidence that could be argued to support it. | /r/PurplePillDebate | 22/06/18 02:16 PM |
| 1 | Men are really disposable.If you're curious and engaged, you get out of a decent college education what you put into it. | /r/PurplePillDebate | 22/06/18 02:11 PM |
| 4 | Men are really disposable.I don't think I need to find anything redeeming or understandable about Redpill to participate here. I can't be the first person to feel this way. I'm here because I think Redpill is a dangerous cult of male victimhood and toxic behavior. I also don't subscribe to their weird ideas about various colored pills being used as shorthand for worldviews, because it plays into the Redpill idea that men who don't abide their cult are somehow naive or ignorant. I won't use their jargon to describe myself… | /r/PurplePillDebate | 22/06/18 03:58 AM |
| 3 | Men are really disposable.I have a negative view of people who think women owe them sex, get pissed off at society when they act that out and don't get it, and then stew in toxicity online. They may have been born with no social skills or they may have been taught to simultaneously desire and hate women. Either way, it's a pathology and it's harmful to everyone, including to themselves. It's not desperation, it's toxic hatred. The only reason anyone takes it seriously is that they can anonymously read it on a screen--bec… | /r/PurplePillDebate | 22/06/18 12:07 AM |
| 6 | Men are really disposable.Yeah, no. Your response still reeks of the idea that their failure with women is something society is doing to them, not something they're responsible for by thinking about and treating women like garbage. Men who find redpill ideology attractive already have the attitude that women, and by extension the rest of society, owe(s) them sex. No, wrong. These people aren't victims because they've failed with women, and if they buy into and adopt redpill ideology, they're exactly the opposite of victi… | /r/PurplePillDebate | 21/06/18 09:55 PM |
| 16 | Men are really disposable.I think you're starting from a position of believing that human relationships start and end with what social or material value two partners have for one another, rather than the pleasure they can take in one another's company or the emotional connection forged by two people who care about one another. Material value is a consideration in any relationship but relationships that put too much value on it are doomed to fail or to toxicity. Women are not biological machines tearing around looking for… | /r/PurplePillDebate | 21/06/18 02:51 PM |
| 2 | Q4All: When TRP says "blue pill" do they mean liberal?Yes, it is my interpretation that "daddy" tells a "good daughter" what to do is condescending and the blueprint for a fucked up relationship. In no world does-- Daddy tells them what to do, daddy tells them what behaviour is shit, and daddy tells them what they like to see and a good daughter listens. --mean "don't let her push you around" in the context of a romantic relationship between two adults. | /r/PurplePillDebate | 21/11/17 07:47 PM |
| 1 | Q4All: When TRP says "blue pill" do they mean liberal?I have a timeshare to sell you. | /r/PurplePillDebate | 21/11/17 03:22 PM |
| 2 | Q4All: When TRP says "blue pill" do they mean liberal?You realize that by quoting and responding to my post, you're tacitly admitting that you read what I wrote, right? To be more clear, I'm not a "BPer," I just think TRP is a bullshit cult for self-pitying men. I don't know what you mean by "jump," I don't know who the negotiator is or why he's being shanked, and I have no idea who is being paid in a denominated currency or why. If you write completely in metaphors or RP newspeak, no one outside your freaky-deaky cult will have any fucking clue wh… | /r/PurplePillDebate | 21/11/17 03:17 PM |
| 1 | Q4All: When TRP says "blue pill" do they mean liberal?Thanks for this thoughtful response. I realize I was getting pissed late yesterday, and a lot of my responses to folks here have been less than polite. So I thank you for your civility. In the interest of understanding, maybe you could send me something by Rollo or from the good old days? As I said in my initial post, I do think there are some kernels of truth in the ideas of TRP, but the movement itself seems extremely reactionary to me--and the separation of the world into RPers and BPers seem… | /r/PurplePillDebate | 21/11/17 03:14 PM |
| 2 | Q4All: When TRP says "blue pill" do they mean liberal?The second interpretation--"don't let her push you around"--sounds an awful lot like men as a hapless victim of women's biological imperatives and, here's a new one from the comments above, "nagging and emotional aggressions." I made it pretty clear in my initial post that it's thinking of men as victims of women that's at the center of TRP's philosophy, and that this is a major problem I have with the whole kit and kaboodle. After this multi-day discussion, I still see nothing positive in the T… | /r/PurplePillDebate | 21/11/17 03:05 PM |
| 3 | Q4All: When TRP says "blue pill" do they mean liberal?Truly Enlightened individuals are already above it Are you for real, man? | /r/PurplePillDebate | 21/11/17 03:07 AM |
| 3 | Q4All: When TRP says "blue pill" do they mean liberal?Only at myself for having spent a non-trivial portion of my day doing this. I have no justification or explanation for why I would do such a thing. | /r/PurplePillDebate | 20/11/17 10:44 PM |
| 5 | Q4All: When TRP says "blue pill" do they mean liberal?Yes, here is your effective polemics trophy. Thanks for your contribution toward advancing the conversation and goodnight. | /r/PurplePillDebate | 20/11/17 10:40 PM |
| 3 | Q4All: When TRP says "blue pill" do they mean liberal?I have no idea what you are trying to say, but fortunately I don't care. | /r/PurplePillDebate | 20/11/17 10:33 PM |
| 1 | Q4All: When TRP says "blue pill" do they mean liberal?I don't need to cherrypick. Keep talking about the way "women are." You just made my point for me. My worldview is the result of me reading Salon? If only I got my perspective from a bunch of losers in a subreddit, maybe it would be different. Fuck you. | /r/PurplePillDebate | 20/11/17 10:31 PM |
| 3 | Q4All: When TRP says "blue pill" do they mean liberal?To avoid the "where are your sources" response I expect might come of this, I'll just say that my experience with TRP and its adherents is my own. I've spent enough time digging through that drek today. Just seriously read /r/TheRedPill if you're really that interested. One of TRP's primary ideas is that women are controlled by overwhelming biological drives to seek out and constantly test potential and current mates, which again, probably finds its origin in a kernel of truth. But TRP takes thi… | /r/PurplePillDebate | 20/11/17 10:09 PM |
| 1 | Q4All: When TRP says "blue pill" do they mean liberal?Thanks for a lucid and interesting response. I think one of the problems with modern conservatism is that instinct to come together around strong leadership to fight threats is invoked routinely to counter things that don't matter for most people--same sex marriage, transgender issues, etc. The US right seems to be in a constant state of moral panic over things that have no effect on most of them but could have a great positive impact for those for whom it does matter. I don't think that's what … | /r/PurplePillDebate | 20/11/17 09:48 PM |
| 2 | Q4All: When TRP says "blue pill" do they mean liberal?Can you provide an answer if I didn't ask a question? Especially if that answer is completely nonsensical? | /r/PurplePillDebate | 20/11/17 09:39 PM |
| 2 | Q4All: When TRP says "blue pill" do they mean liberal?I'm not your fucking nanny, do it yourself. | /r/PurplePillDebate | 20/11/17 09:35 PM |
| 7 | Q4All: When TRP says "blue pill" do they mean liberal?I provided sources and you ignored that to claim I'm still cherrypicking. Fine. You know what I didn't see when I spent 10 minutes on /r/TheRedPill today? I didn't see a single thread saying "go the gym," "buy a nice suit," "go to a job interview" that wasn't accompanied by a bunch of sycophantic psuedopsychological bullshit about women's biological drives. I did see a lot of threads talking about all women like they are tricksters, deceivers, temptresses, and awful sex robots who are constantly… | /r/PurplePillDebate | 20/11/17 09:32 PM |
| 4 | Q4All: When TRP says "blue pill" do they mean liberal?The third example I posted five fucking minutes ago is all about how you should treat a woman like a child because they don't know any better. But seriously, if you actually did what I recommended and clicked on some links on /r/TheRedPill's front page, it would take you no time at all to find more examples. I'm not your fucking nanny, do it yourself. | /r/PurplePillDebate | 20/11/17 09:22 PM |
| 5 | Q4All: When TRP says "blue pill" do they mean liberal?As I said, I don't read TRP's reading list because I think their philosophy is self-justifying trash. I also made clear that my opinions are my own and based upon my experience interacting with RPers. Here are a few posts from today's /r/TheRedPill's frontpage. Take a read, especially the comments. https://www.reddit.com/r/TheRedPill/comments/7e930u/rant_on_greiving_and_women/ The two thing I've learned about women from every aspect(family, friends, and gfs) of my life is this. One, They don't u… | /r/PurplePillDebate | 20/11/17 09:12 PM |
| 6 | Q4All: When TRP says "blue pill" do they mean liberal?There are hypocrites of all stripes. I'm not talking about male feminists, and I'm not interested in following your crude deflection from the topic at hand. If you want proof about the way RPers view women--as confused hormone-sacks who don't know who they are or what they want who can easily be brain-hacked by someone with TRP's special sauce--read /r/TheRedPill. | /r/PurplePillDebate | 20/11/17 09:02 PM |
| 1 | Q4All: When TRP says "blue pill" do they mean liberal?Keep that wisdom coming, hermano. | /r/PurplePillDebate | 20/11/17 03:34 PM |
| 6 | Q4All: When TRP says "blue pill" do they mean liberal?First of all, please don't define me in terms of my opposition to your dumb movement. I'm not an "anti-red." So--your argument is TRP is not an excuse because you don't need any excuse to do whatever you want. OK. I don't care. People who want to do shitty things cloak their motives in ideology, religion, ethics, or whatever--take your pick. So my question is, what role does TRP play in your life if it doesn't a) inform your behavior, b) justify your actions, c) help frame your perspective? If i… | /r/PurplePillDebate | 20/11/17 03:31 PM |
| 3 | Q4All: When TRP says "blue pill" do they mean liberal?What are the five ethical values? What research says that? Conservatism envisions a bigger picture that liberals are blind to? How do you decide on five essential human ethical or moral values without making a moral judgment from the very beginning? I'd say this sounds like bullshit but it's all just weird vague suppositions without any details. | /r/PurplePillDebate | 20/11/17 03:17 PM |
| 2 | Q4All: When TRP says "blue pill" do they mean liberal?Neutral to what exactly? | /r/PurplePillDebate | 20/11/17 03:09 PM |
| 2 | Q4All: When TRP says "blue pill" do they mean liberal?If only our troubled nation could come together as one, and say "I'm against everything retarded," maybe we could find that much sought-after political center and ascend the great crag of wisdom to the promised land. You, sir, are a visionary. | /r/PurplePillDebate | 20/11/17 03:08 PM |
| 13 | Q4All: When TRP says "blue pill" do they mean liberal?Speaking as someone who finds the whole TRP movement to be a cancer growing around a few kernels of truth... The terms "liberal" and "conservative" are not terribly useful in the context of describing TRP movement or the reasons behind it. TRP is, and has always been, reactionary. It is a reaction against what US liberals would probably call progress--increasing social sensitivity to "women's issues," the smashing of traditional social hierarchy and structures, and the rise of women as independe… | /r/PurplePillDebate | 20/11/17 02:37 PM |
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