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Yea thats the crux of 99% of the ranting and raving on here. Men want women more than women want men, collectively.
/r/PurplePillDebate04/02/22 02:14 AM
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True, I've noticed the fall can be hard for formerly cool/attractive men and women. Not all of course, but some had trouble commanding much attention for anything else, so once that singular attribute fades.....ouch. That said, others are well adjusted family men and women that seem perfectly content.
/r/PurplePillDebate01/02/22 06:11 PM
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It is similar, but I think the big difference is that dating inequalities are thrown in people's faces more in the real world. The extremely wealthy are so far removed from my reality. I'm not around them. I'm not in those establishments or around super cars, big yachts etc etc. Even my more wealthy friend are way closer to me than they are the true elite. The gap is much smaller. The truly wealthy is more of an abstract concept than anything I'm exposed to day to day. Lots of times, a below ave…
/r/PurplePillDebate01/02/22 01:44 PM
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I think some of it has to do with the fact that when it comes to aging, everything loses its shine a little by virtue of being less novel. Once youre old, many things have been experienced many times over, including sex. An attractive person was really exciting as a teen, and I'd overlook a ton of bad qualities because the juice seemed worth the squeeze, so to speak. Way less so now.
/r/PurplePillDebate31/01/22 02:17 PM
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I think red pill stuff can work wonderfully for 6.5-7.5/10 guys with naturally meek personalities. Guys higher than that don't really need it. Lower than that, it won't help much.
/r/PurplePillDebate29/01/22 10:52 PM
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Don't a ton of dipshit bros buy into crypto, life hacks, hustle culture and having charlatans like Jordan Peterson tell them their woes will be solved by cleaning their room? Nevermind all the dumb fucks that bought into early PUA stuff
/r/PurplePillDebate13/01/22 07:07 PM
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Not really. The biggest thing it's done is make me realize how unempathetic everyone is to anything other than their own plight. So I don't really feel sorry for people who suffer under the system because we are all complicit in it.
/r/PurplePillDebate01/01/22 10:01 PM
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Exactly. The enemy is our very nature.
/r/PurplePillDebate01/01/22 02:54 PM
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Naw, those things are all worse, no argument. The issue is that we can hypothetically fix those. I mean, we probably won't. But there's at least a conceivable idea on how it's possible. In short, there's room for actual hope with those forms of inequality. Short of rewiring our brains, there is no hope for dating inequality. That's the difference. Also, woman lose here too. This ain't only about men.
/r/PurplePillDebate01/01/22 02:52 PM
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I'm personally fine with it all, but I've been lucky and I realize that.
/r/PurplePillDebate01/01/22 05:47 AM
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You can absolutely be bitter and justified for it. Someone getting cancer, they can be bitter and I'd understand. 'Bitter' isn't a slight against them. It's just an understandable response.
/r/PurplePillDebate01/01/22 05:16 AM
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For sure, tho I think dating is, at its core, another form of social connection and validation. Hard to just ignore.
/r/PurplePillDebate01/01/22 04:32 AM
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And death isn't pretty, despite what people think. Ask people how their relatives went out with cancer or alzeimers. Even a heart attack. Your last moments spent in extraordinary terror. And you likely didn't get laid enough or have enough money/free time to make it worth it.
/r/PurplePillDebate01/01/22 04:30 AM
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Remember, most grown adults are anxiety and depression ridden messes, overworked, bitter and angry about their dreams fading, one hair trigger away from hanging themselves. Do not take any life service from 90% of them.
/r/PurplePillDebate15/12/21 06:16 PM
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To be fair to women, they're stuck between a rock and a hard place. Give platitudes, guys will get mad. Be honest, guys will rage even harder.
/r/PurplePillDebate10/11/21 11:31 AM
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I have no idea how you could say women (or men) are getting better looking with rising obesity. Have you footage of people partying in the 60s and 70s? Hoards of people with fit looking bodies, fat was generally an outlier.
/r/PurplePillDebate31/10/21 04:27 PM
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So what are their options? Give up on love? Off themselves?
/r/PurplePillDebate26/10/21 10:59 PM
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Started hanging out with a new crowd that went to parties often. Previous gang was full of dorks. All due respect but it was true. Noticed guys in new crowd were successful with women despite not being super junks. Observed and mirrored them. Read some early red pill stuff which described friends behavior to a T and it all clicked. Went too far for a bit, found my own style and dialed it back. Maintained the nice parts of myself but still had a bit of an edge. In short, did red pill stuff and it…
/r/PurplePillDebate15/10/21 07:15 PM
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There's definitely truth to this, and I think a lot of said doormats would absolutely improve their results by still being nice, just growing more backbone. That said, this is often brought up as a way to deflect the reality that many women do actively select for men that outright exhibit toxic traits. Especially a younger women. A kind, emotionally stable and quiet-confident man will still be seen as comparatively boring and passed up in favor for the men that demand attention and make noise. T…
/r/PurplePillDebate13/10/21 03:07 PM
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I think one of our biggest mistakes as a society is putting too much stock into relationships. Expecting too much out of them, expecting them to provide novel stimulation. To me, a relationship should be icing on the cake, the sharing of two active, individual lives, instead or the lifeboat for two boring ones. I remember listening to friends when I was younger and they'd talk sbout the rush and excitement of dating emotionally unstable partners or bad boys or whatever. It's such a baffling conc…
/r/PurplePillDebate12/10/21 12:21 PM
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This kinda thing frustrates me because it's basically telling men "it's ok for women to have off days but you gotta be perfect and 'on' 24/7" Fuck that shit.
/r/PurplePillDebate07/10/21 11:04 AM
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He might not be a super Chad lady killer, but I've absolutely seen guys who look like that do just fine if they are fun and interesting.
/r/PurplePillDebate04/10/21 07:23 PM
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Some children make millions reviewing toys. It's a small minority really. Most people on social platforms (including onlyfans) put in alot of effort and don't make shit. These women are outliers.
/r/PurplePillDebate04/10/21 11:08 AM
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I am older and I can assure you, if anything it gets even worse. There are exceptions blah blah. But check out what demo has the highest suicide rate. Middle aged men.
/r/PurplePillDebate02/10/21 03:43 PM
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I definitely do. Exes and hook ups. And they always claimed that they were the ones who admitted it out loud, and their friends were just as bad but kept it secret. And just seeing it all go on and hearing stories, easy to believe. To me it adds up. But smaller groups who kept a tighter circle of friends might be a very different story.
/r/PurplePillDebate30/09/21 02:22 AM
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I grew up in small town and in the party circles, I'd easily buy it. Sometimes many more than that.
/r/PurplePillDebate30/09/21 02:00 AM
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I'm torn. I'm someone who has been happily married for a while, out of the dating game since just before the explosion of online dating. I do acknowledge that OLD and social media has changed the dynamic. On the other hand, I also suspect this sub (and reddit in general) is overly represented by more socially awkward men, and that always has and always will be a tough hill to climb for men. I still see lots of average men do fine. So I suspect the truth is somewhere in the middle.
/r/PurplePillDebate27/09/21 12:17 PM
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It's such a hard thing to relate to because I've never looked to a partner to provide spontaneity and adventure in and of themselves. Plenty of other stuff in life provides. Emotional unpredictability and chaos is such a turn off, even if its the hottest woman in the world. I can't understand.
/r/PurplePillDebate23/09/21 12:23 PM
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I know the point of this sub is for men and women to shout At each other. But aging is one of those things where there's no winners. Everyone loses.
/r/PurplePillDebate18/09/21 12:24 PM
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And? Things fail, die, go extinct etc etc. Cycle of life. It's perfectly normal for civilizations to rise and fall.
/r/PurplePillDebate05/09/21 06:25 PM
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I think its as simple as fat women > masturbation for most men.
/r/PurplePillDebate20/08/21 12:19 PM
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I know OLD definitely changed the game in terms of emphasis on looks.....but its hard not to imagine that forums like these have a disproportionate amount of socially awkward people, and that skews the hivemind's experience. I had fun in my day, but I had to work at it. I was naturally pretty socially awkward, and I just can't imagine the naturally cool people I hung out with would ever bother coming here. Social skills are an underdiscussed component, but I think it's just so much harder to qua…
/r/PurplePillDebate14/07/21 02:30 PM
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7/10 is not bad, certainly workable. That's all I've ever been. It's the 5s and below I feel for, and it gets exponentially worse with each drop.
/r/PurplePillDebate14/07/21 12:04 PM
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They want to, they just suck at it.
/r/PurplePillDebate14/07/21 10:05 AM
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10% , sure. 15% is not that hard, cmon now.
/r/PurplePillDebate24/06/21 02:52 PM
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Very jacked and very lean, yes. Toned Beach body for a dude with halfway decent genetics? Fuck no. That's easy.
/r/PurplePillDebate24/06/21 12:55 PM
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One reason that's not mentioned, that I've noticed over the years, is that I think some women are jealous over how some men can have nice bodies and still eat like pigs. Practically every woman I've known has had some issues with food and their bodies. Men, particularly young men, can often have nice beach bodies eating recklessly as long as they have some half assed gym routine.
/r/PurplePillDebate24/06/21 12:01 PM
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Society in general is alot more comfortable calling men superficial sacks of shit out in the open, so it's much more visible. You have to read between the lines to see it with women on media....but let's be real here. We know damn well men are portrayed as animalistic dogs much more than the other way around, even tho it's apparent we're all the same.
/r/PurplePillDebate23/06/21 01:25 PM
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Exactly. If you're not blessed with musical or athletic talent, people accept it and don't determine your moral standing as a human based on it. If being sexually successful were viewed in a similar light, I think it'd be easier to digest. As it stands, men are told to "fix their personality" as if there is something inherently awful about with them, rather than being looked at as good and valued people lacking in a certain skillset.....one that happens to have some genetic luck of the draw (lik…
/r/PurplePillDebate18/06/21 12:19 PM
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Hobbies and developing/building things on one's own terms will take over. Status will be given to those who do it well. Lookism will only get worse.
/r/PurplePillDebate10/06/21 12:27 PM
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I can get with this. But you basically summed up why many say women have it easier with dating and sex. Hard to argue otherwise.
/r/PurplePillDebate08/06/21 12:12 PM
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I do think looks are often underrated in their importance by the gen pop.....but at the same time, they are SO obsessed over in online dating spaces because they are easy to quantify, comparatively. Its actually really hard to explain why someone has charisma and game, and another does not. Its fascinating, in a way. And poorly applied attempts at presenting like the cool guy stick out like a sore thumb. Everyone knows it, but damned if anyone can explain exactly why.
/r/PurplePillDebate04/06/21 05:47 PM
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Its not just access to sex. Certain men have dramatically less intimacy abd closeness with other humans (men and women) on general. Your average single woman often at least had some casual sex, orbiters, socially accepted closeness and contact with other women, etc etc. Alot of women never really experience true loneliness the way alot of men do.
/r/PurplePillDebate01/06/21 02:05 PM
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You're not wrong. 99% of threads on here are honestly pointless. The only driver of anything is the simp epidemic. Until that changes, all of this chatter is hot air.
/r/PurplePillDebate18/05/21 05:59 PM
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Interesting thread. Been in a while since I've been in any casual dating scene...but in my experience, it was the opposite. I had less success trying to follow a script and performance. Had alot more success when I just said 'fuck it' and had fun with the guys. We never really took ourselves seriously and I stopped trying to make moves and just focused on having fun. Things just started to happen and it was much more pleasant all around. Tho some of it happens on a subconscious level I'm sure. I…
/r/PurplePillDebate01/05/21 11:26 AM
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One thing I will say is that women collectively stand up for their gender more than men, when it comes to dating. That isn't to say that they don't compete....but at the very least, they make a lot of noise to enforce the limitations on men's physical preferences. Men are too busy competing, and will sadly throw other men under the bus. If we want this to change, men have to band together and stand up for short/fat/ugly men, etc etc. There's no other way. As it stands, they're happy to make fun …
/r/PurplePillDebate23/04/21 04:54 PM
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"Why do people like having their cake and eaiting it too?"
/r/PurplePillDebate23/04/21 12:23 PM
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This comment, in effect, sums up 90% of grievances on dating subs.
/r/PurplePillDebate22/04/21 10:50 AM
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Can't speak from experience, but my friend was noticeably balding at a young age. Really popular prior to that and it didn't affect him a ton. He was above average looking, but nothing crazy. He was very outgoing, funny and was able to be self depreciating while still projecting confidence. Not the kind of guy who'd slay in a club, but get him in a room with people and lots of women liked him.
/r/PurplePillDebate26/03/21 06:35 PM
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I dunno if that's true for men. Seems like face and height are more important than being. Great body but avverage height and an okay face, a fat woman probably is your looks match.
/r/PurplePillDebate18/03/21 05:25 PM
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Genuinely friendzoning women (no sex) is always kinda fascinating. More often than not they've acted borderline pathetic. Not in the ragey way that men do, but definitely in a sad, "I can't possibly understand this" kinda way.
/r/PurplePillDebate17/03/21 11:04 AM
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Yeah exactly. I know that sub gets a bad rap, but if that's their usual quality of men, no wonder they hate them.
/r/PurplePillDebate15/03/21 11:57 AM
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I don't see it as extreme to where they'll go off the grid and live in the mountains. More so that they'll do the bare minimum. No lengthy degrees, long hours and tons of overtime at demanding jobs to provide for a large household. Lower wage, lower stress jobs to get by. Less consumption beyond the basics (video games, computer,food). No lavish vacations etc.
/r/PurplePillDebate11/03/21 02:03 PM
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Not sure if this is controversial, but basically there are no heros or sympathetic groups in dating. Everyone is a villain. I understand the plight of the short man, single mom, fat person, Asian man, black women, poor person etc etc.... but every single one of them are hypocrites who want the rest to care about their plight while happily holding standards of their own.
/r/PurplePillDebate03/03/21 11:17 PM
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I can honestly understand why indifference to you might signal excitement and high value when you've had guys groveling at your feet for your entire life. It's frustrating, but I do understand how that gets tiresome and unnatractive, and thus the opposite stands out.
/r/PurplePillDebate03/03/21 04:27 PM
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I love NEETS. A consequence of our garbage society. I hope they increasingly pick up steam and accelerate the decline.
/r/PurplePillDebate19/02/21 11:45 AM
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I feel like guys like him live in the extremes. Love him or hate him, turns you on or repulses you. Certain women fit this mold too, that have an indescribable x factor that appeals to some, while others find them downright ugly. I suspect it's why you see mixed responses for him. Compare that to generic Hollywood guy, who most can at least understand the appeal of, regardless of whether they are that individuals perfect 10 or not.
/r/PurplePillDebate18/02/21 01:17 PM
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I think tall and nice face is a man's equivalent get out of jail free card. A tall man with a nice face doesn't need to be muscular, lean or even fashionable and nicely groomed. I've seen alot of men punch quite high coasting on the first two. Especially if they are socially outgoing.
/r/PurplePillDebate16/02/21 01:43 PM
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Yeah I have no solutions. Maybe that's just how it is. Get yours and let other people deal with their genetic struggles.
/r/PurplePillDebate07/02/21 04:44 PM
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Sure, I can accept this world view. But then where's the motivation for straight white men to relinquish some of their power and influence? Why should they care about any women's issues? This acceptance of life as ruthless competition doesn't really foster a pleasant society for anyone.
/r/PurplePillDebate07/02/21 03:53 PM
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For me, it depends. I think with certain things like dealing with PTSD, I'd be all for it. It was useless when I was dealing with typical teenage depression stuff, self esteem issues. Therapists weren't just gonna say "get better looking/cooler and get laid and your problems will be solved." I also think a lot of societal conditions today aren't going to be helped by therapy. What the hell is talking someone going to do when you're commuting 2 hours, working another 10, still broke, can't quit d…
/r/PurplePillDebate30/01/21 11:40 PM
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Men like women more, but there's definitely alot of Apex bias going. Men adore fuckable women. Unnattractive women are less than invisible to men.
/r/PurplePillDebate28/01/21 03:01 PM
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I know people scoff at this idea.... But personality is actually important. I'm in that male demo and you couldn't pay me to date a 20 year old. Nothing against them, but their view of the world and where we are in our lives is a million miles apart. No hate, I was there at 20. I'm well aware they'd find me to be a gross old guy, I just contest the idea that all older men are desperate to date young women.
/r/PurplePillDebate22/01/21 12:21 AM
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Thats all great and all, but still ignores the root cause. Some jacked good looking guy begging for attention from some fat 3/10....that's the issue. Men need to be willing to walk away and hang out with their bros instead.
/r/PurplePillDebate30/12/20 08:10 PM
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I agree, the onus isn't on them. If men want the scales to tilt in their favor, they need to stop simping and being so thirsty and desperate for a crumb of pussy. It's shameful, and hurts us all.
/r/PurplePillDebate30/12/20 07:55 PM
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Moderately ugly, I'd say worse to be a man. Seriously ugly, worse to be a woman.
/r/PurplePillDebate25/12/20 05:15 AM
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Go on deadbedrooms and read alot of the stories from women. Tons of husbands stop fucking their wives due to porn addictions.
/r/PurplePillDebate21/12/20 04:19 PM
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Exactly. The irony is they talk about dehumanizing women all the time while they are doing the exact same. Creating this romance novel robotic super-man that just doesn't exist in the real world.
/r/PurplePillDebate21/12/20 04:18 PM
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Yeah I got that alot of men aint all that. No debating. But the idea that most women are anything other than mediocre themselves is laughable. Guys are just insanely thirsty and boost their egos sky high.
/r/PurplePillDebate15/12/20 10:38 PM
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I don't know how old you are, but one of my exes was like this. She practically begged me to act like a cliche red pill dude without outright saying it. I honestly think some women are just wired that way, especially at a younger age. No real advice beyond just either accept it or move on. I'd personally never be able to be that close with someone I had to behave like this to all the time.
/r/PurplePillDebate30/11/20 02:41 PM
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See, this is insane to me that this is considered obvious. I just assume some people will be chatty and arent necessarily looking for a date. I would never assume "she wants me" based on this interaction.
/r/PurplePillDebate16/11/20 02:01 PM
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Yeah the idea that men are more logical is straight up comedy. Humans are generally emotional basketcases.
/r/PurplePillDebate28/10/20 12:17 PM
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Maybe not an effortless time, but it shouldnt br that hard if you're a legit 7/10. The issue is I think alot of 4-5/10s think they are 7/10.
/r/PurplePillDebate28/10/20 12:07 PM
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When you spend enough time here, you realize every demo is selfish and hyopcritical, and you learn to have empathy for no one.
/r/PurplePillDebate19/10/20 11:30 PM
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Nope. If I become too ugly to attract people I find hot, I'd just stop dating. And I know this because I've turned people down during very long dry spells.
/r/PurplePillDebate15/10/20 02:34 PM
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Honestly, I get a bit turned on by arrogant women who know they are hot. And worse, I'm majorly turned off by unconfident women, even if they are hot.
/r/PurplePillDebate02/10/20 12:42 PM
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Equally? I'm an older guy and I think men lose it worse. They go bald, they tend not to take care of their skin as much and look haggered. Both sexes get fat, but I find I see more fatter men, and they tend to carry it more poorly (ie: in their bellies). Their style gets crappier. Not all, of course. But the average middle aged guy is frankly lucky he's getting laid at all with the way he looks. Men aging like wine is a massive cope from frustrated young men.
/r/PurplePillDebate07/09/20 02:55 AM
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I know most of the emphasis on the effects of porn has been with how men treat women, but on the other side....honestly, porn has at times made me feel insecure for being too vanilla. Like every woman is going to expect me to strangle them and hit them with a brick when I just want basic sex, you know?
/r/PurplePillDebate05/09/20 11:20 PM
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This is why I love porn. It's leverage over settling for unattractive, entitled women, and I'm glad guys are choosing it over them.
/r/PurplePillDebate05/09/20 11:17 PM
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Yep. Oh well, would rather be single and jerk off to porn. Or just use them for sex, but certainly give zero effort.
/r/PurplePillDebate04/09/20 02:56 PM
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Women who really need a man to be 'above' them. They often crave guys who are emotionally unavailable, even a bit abusive. A guy who's openly into her tends to bore her. These types are the people you have to be red pill mode with 24/7 and I really just wanna fucking relax sometimes.
/r/PurplePillDebate04/09/20 01:18 PM
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She didn't say they didn't at all, just that they didnt as much as men. And by every metric on earth, that's true. No way even the hottest of men are getting the same attention is their equivalent woman. Not even close.
/r/PurplePillDebate03/09/20 06:40 PM
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I disagree. At least about men being able to tell whether other men are fuck boys or not. One thing that's made empathize a lot with women is the Jekyll and hyde routine many dudes will pull with their bros compared to their partners. So many guys seem like fun drinking buddies to me, and 'good guys', but are absolute terrors to their girlfriends. They probably seemed like good guys to them initially, but people are sneaky about letting their dark side out.
/r/PurplePillDebate03/09/20 05:15 PM
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To me, a proper body-positivity movement I could get behind would be: - no bullying or ridiculing someone for their physical appearance - no discrimination - encouraging people to be comfortable wearing what they want. I'm all for encouraging fat people to feel comfortable wearing swimwear, revealing clothing etc. Basically I would support stopping the negative actions. Shaming, ridiculing, etc. I'm less on board with forcing positive actions ie: I must find them sexually appealing. They are not…
/r/PurplePillDebate31/08/20 07:26 PM
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As a general rule, and this isn't gender related.....young people have energy, some degree of hope, optimism and spontaneity. That vibe can be infectious compared to the tired cynicism of 30/40 some things. I already find the grumbled, bitter at life musing of my peers tiresome. So on that note, I can understand the appeal. There's still experience and maturity gaps that would make it annoying though. Overall I'd still prefer my own age range but thats the best non-appearance appeal I can think …
/r/PurplePillDebate29/08/20 05:22 PM
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Hard no from me. I like kids, I just don't want to raise any. I would feel bad getting serious with a single mom and not taking on a paternal role.
/r/PurplePillDebate28/08/20 02:55 PM
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I think alot of below average men who are unkept can put in effort to maybe hit average or above, sure. But there are some who will struggle to even get to that level. There's only so much you can do if you are, say, short with a below average face.
/r/PurplePillDebate28/08/20 12:59 PM
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No, I think people waking up to how much it truly matters is important for the content of the sub. The last thing I want here is empty, useless platitudes. But the thing is....there is a segment of the population whom there probably is not much they can do. Society benefits from them having hope and not realizing this fact. What we want is for the ugly, low value men to sit quietly in the corner, repress their pesky sexual impulses (that's for hot people), and contribute to the grunt work in soc…
/r/PurplePillDebate28/08/20 12:04 PM
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Agreed. The vast majority of guys live in the realm of being decent looking enough, and the game/charm gets them in the door. That's how it's worked for the vast majority of guys I know. Even ones that did well with women. If you cant walk through a club getting girls to fuck you on looks alone, good luck with OLD.
/r/PurplePillDebate27/08/20 04:29 PM
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I am the exact type it tends to work for. I only 'cared' in that it made me sad that it worked, honestly.
/r/PurplePillDebate21/08/20 07:12 PM
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I'm the same, as are most of my friends. We figured out pretty quickly that we weren't gonna pick up at clubs, but get us in small gatherings where we can chat a bit, we did pretty well. I do feel bad that for many dudes, OLD is like trying to pick up in a club. Maybe even harder.
/r/PurplePillDebate20/08/20 06:21 PM
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Wow. I used to be on that forum all the time in 2005-06, and the prevailing theme was that looks barely mattered, and any guy could have a rotation of women with sufficient game. I have noticed how much more the blackpill, looksism stuff has creeped in. I'm long out of the dating game, but it'd be foolish to dismiss this rise in looksism thinking as mere coincidence.
/r/PurplePillDebate20/08/20 02:38 PM
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I'm a male in that demo. I genuinely think I've aged well and I have a pretty cool life. But LOL at me being hunkier than I was at 25. Most men age like warm garbage, and get even more cynical and jaded. The TRPers are in for a rude awakening.
/r/PurplePillDebate17/08/20 11:01 PM
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Actually, that's a good point. Forgot about that. The over the top simping style stuff definitely contributes to the turn off, though I don't think every male friendzone dude behaves this way.
/r/PurplePillDebate13/08/20 06:30 PM
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I know people love to rag on friendzoned 'nice guys', but here's what I think happens in a lot of cases. I've definitely been here. Women, in general, have more intimacy with their friendships than men do. So when they become friends with a guy, it ends up presenting as very similar to how they interact with their girlfriends. Women are much more affectionate with each other, share feelings etc etc. This sort of behavior is nice to have in a friend, but a turn-off sexually, so they don't see the…
/r/PurplePillDebate13/08/20 06:26 PM
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Because many do? And learn that through experience? Look, there's this idea that men LIKE behaving in red pill ways. Some do, but I'd wager that many don't, and would much rather be a chilled out nice guy. I genuinely like being a blue pilled style dude, and would always default to that with women I didnt care about fucking. Quick show of hands, fellas. How many actually like doing this silly bullshit and how many reluctantly put up with it because women have shown us they want it? Only thing I'…
/r/PurplePillDebate12/08/20 12:40 PM
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Hmmmm... I was on the fence about that, but you might be right. I certainly know solidly good looking guys who fell into that category. They were considered hot but ruined it by being too beta. I was thinking more of the uber-attractive, true 10/10 types. But you know, even they might be able to ruin it. The plight of being a man.
/r/PurplePillDebate09/08/20 03:01 AM
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I was always nice to them, but I would politely reject. I'd feel flattered on the inside, and I'd make sure that I treated them with friendliness going forward without leading them on. It really bothers me when men or women are needlessly mean to those they reject.
/r/PurplePillDebate09/08/20 12:00 AM
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I see it like this. - If you're bottom of the barrel looks, personality doesn't matter and won't save you. - If you're average/slightly above average (I was here), then personality matters a whole lot, and you can either be registered as non sexual being / potential romantic partner depending on how you play your cards. - If you're top tier looks, personality doesn't matter and you'll be seen as a potential sex partner no matter what.
/r/PurplePillDebate08/08/20 04:46 PM
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Haven't hit 40s yet, but I could see 30s being where it all truly clicks for a brief time. Old enough to be mature, financial successful, have confidence, but still young enough to be young-hot, be in shape etc. It's this brief period where two worlds collide.
/r/PurplePillDebate08/08/20 04:23 AM
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I actually draw some parallels between the Karen and Incel terms. They started out meaning very specific things....but have slowly morphed into a generic meaningless but socially acceptable way to dunk on women and socially awkward men.
/r/PurplePillDebate01/08/20 11:26 PM
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There's alot of pressure in women to marry a "good guy" instead of a sexy guy. They are damned if they do, damned if they dont. Accused of lying if they aren't upfront with what turns them on.....but watch what happens when they finally do admit their standards? Guys lose their mind even though they themselves feel entitled to hotties. And I say this as a guy.
/r/PurplePillDebate01/08/20 11:23 PM
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I agree with this , but its made me ponder something. What if the OLD focus, and lack of developed social skills thay comes with it...what if thats leaving a gap in the market for the person that CAN socialize well and develop a bif circle of friends? If that's becoming increaingly rare, maybe it'll stand out more? No personal experience here, but I am curious.
/r/PurplePillDebate16/07/20 02:04 PM
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I am that exact demo you're talking about. I get tempted to comment often, but I get the impression things have changed alot since i was dating in 2008-09. Not for the better, either. I really feel for the OLD / instagram generation.
/r/PurplePillDebate16/07/20 01:49 PM
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3/4 relationships were initiated by the woman. A few randoms at bars. Several aquaintances at bars. Maybe 4 or 5 others have propositioned dating over the years.
/r/PurplePillDebate30/06/20 12:22 AM
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No. I would 100% rather jerk off to porn, and have done so if no one attractive enough is into me.
/r/PurplePillDebate27/06/20 11:33 AM
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I'm 35. I'd choose 24-25. I'm not terribly far off. Still have my hair, still work out, have similar physique. I genuinely think I look decent for 35 but I just look older. Had a more youthful glow at 25, as they say.
/r/PurplePillDebate25/06/20 02:46 PM
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Depends who you are. Like any cultural change in life, there are winners and losers. The men relying in betabuxx as their only hope? Those guys will lose and be angry about it. Likewise there's certain women who get really wound up about porn use. Femcels and other groups that stand to become obsolete. I agree with you though. If youre even halfway capable of securing a mate and / or sex, man or woman, these should be very freeing times. Count me in as a dude that would 1000 times rather be a lo…
/r/PurplePillDebate14/06/20 11:29 AM
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You can always tell who the more unattractive men are in here. They make claims about having to do all the work, women never hit on men, etc etc. I promise you, if you're above a certain attraction threshold, you'll know it. Women will absolutely make it very obvious and make the first move.
/r/PurplePillDebate04/06/20 04:49 PM
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Honestly, through reading and understanding a variety of people's experience, I've become less empathetic. Everyone from every corner rants and raves about why they are slighted while simultaneously acting like they are entitled to what they want. It's all war, and there are no good guys.
/r/PurplePillDebate01/06/20 01:19 AM
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The issue is that you can't just exchange trait for trait since people are different. I might be a fit man, thinking that entitles me to a fit woman, but I know tons of women who would rather date dadbod dave who was social and outgoing. A successful career woman might think she's entitled to a successful career man, but he very well might go for hot body jane with a modest career instead. It's good to be honest about what you bring to the table, but its also good to be honest sbout how valuable…
/r/PurplePillDebate24/05/20 11:32 AM
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I think not overdoing it is key. But another thing people rarely talk about when it comes to muscles is bone structure and muscle insertions. In short, some guys having aesthetically pleasing bodies and some dont. Lots of guys who get jacked still dont look great because their proportions are off. Not their fault, that's just how they are built. The classic Brad Pitt from fight club look isnt available to everyone, even if they do get as lean as Brad was. People over estimate how much control th…
/r/PurplePillDebate20/05/20 11:27 AM
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Logically I know its unfair to hold a grudge. But I think I'd have a hard time connecting to someone who once rejected me, even if its deserved. I'd rather start fresh with someone else whom I have no baggage with. It goes the other way too. I've certainly fancied people who I once rejected, and I fully expected them to tell me to go pound sand.
/r/PurplePillDebate18/05/20 01:46 PM
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I think its similar to wealth. Yeah the super beautiful have a better existence than the normies and above average folk. But the gap between the middle and the elite is way, way smaller than the gap between the truly ugly and the middle. It's about passing the threshold. Being good looking enough is substantially more important than being gorgeous. And I absolutely think there's a massive empathy gap in society for the truly ugly folk.
/r/PurplePillDebate18/05/20 01:30 AM
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I think it is. And I think the reason many downplay it is because they take it for granted and they only think of it in terms of physical pleasure. At the core, extreme difficulties with dating and sex are the ultimate form of social ostricization. That you, at your most vulnerable state,are rejected and deemed inadequate. It's why prostitution and porn will never make up for the mental anguish it causes. Again, I'm not talking about normies whining about not being Stacy/Chad. I'm also not talki…
/r/PurplePillDebate15/05/20 07:41 PM
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Also, how much of a low value train wreck of a woman do you have to be to have a strong online presence on such a site? At least with men, dating is actually hard. Online dating / venting spaces make sense for them. All the women I know are way too busy sifting through potential boyfriends / FWB to be caught dead bothering with FDS shit.
/r/PurplePillDebate09/05/20 02:12 PM
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I remember back in 2005-2010, when 'game' was really propped up and men vehemently argued that looks didn't matter. Even though, I suspected it was foolish thinking. I think some of the issue is that people concluded this with faulty logic. Guys would come on the forums, declare themselves as men who were model-tier good looking, but still had trouble with game. Ergo, looks don't matter. The reality is that I think those guys way overestimated their own looks, and underestimated guys who were ge…
/r/PurplePillDebate04/05/20 03:24 PM
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You're mostly right. The Wall is nonsense and women don't magically become unattractive in their 30s. There's a lot of amazing things about being in your 30s. But one major downfall is the fact that socialization and meeting people organically becomes more and more difficult. In your 20s, you often effortlessly have larger social circles, many are on the same page (broke, crap jobs and just want to party). It's a fun, care free time that makes meeting people, dating and hooking up easier. In you…
/r/PurplePillDebate25/04/20 02:57 PM
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I hear ya. Is this too much to ask? Instead I have to pretend to enjoy choking women and hitting them with bricks.
/r/PurplePillDebate23/04/20 04:54 PM
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People talk about this, but forget that it highly depends on what you mean by revealing emotions. There's cool soft and there's uncool soft. Generally a stoic, masculine dude who once in a blue moon breaks down and cries because his abusive dad ran out on him and he had to raise his brothers by himself? Panty dropper. Guy who is generally soft and reserved, cries because he's feeling anxious and uncertain in general? Dating suicide.
/r/PurplePillDebate22/04/20 10:31 PM
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I think I did more at one point, though it's slowly eroding. Pretty much precisely because of OP's attitude. I've been met with little empathy, so I return in kind. I've concluded that it's ultimately a free for all. I'll look out for me. You look out for you. No hate either, it is what it is.
/r/PurplePillDebate22/04/20 05:09 PM
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At the same time, when incels are self-aware about their appearance, people often gaslight them and say it's their personality and attitude.
/r/PurplePillDebate21/04/20 08:23 PM
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I disagree. I was a guy that had a solid amount of attention, but would always be awkward and mess it up. Or I was too afraid to make a move. Once I relaxed and got over it, things improved dramatically. But it was absolutely a learned skill and a slowly developed confidence
/r/PurplePillDebate18/04/20 02:55 PM
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I agree with this. Tho I can only speak from my own lens. Porn is like alcohol, in that some can indulge moderately while some go haywire. But it 100% kept me from hooking up with people I wasnt keen on. I turned down several women over the years because frankly, I'd rather jerk it than deal with someone I was lukewarm to physically or otherwise. It is funny how some women go bananas over the thought of guys preferring porn to them. Turns out sexual rejection doesn't feel so great huh?
/r/PurplePillDebate18/04/20 12:44 PM
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I think alot of it has to do with the fact that social skills and "game", or whatever you want to call it, can be incredibly hard to conceptualize. Theres a certain X factor to charisma, and the line can be thin between a genuine cool guy and a sort of awkward try hard. Surely you all have seen the dweeb guys try to (poorly) mimic the behavior of cool guys? That's how I picture alot of red pillars. They've never really lived the life of a cool guy yet, so it comes across as a phony imitation. I …
/r/PurplePillDebate14/04/20 12:26 PM
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I actually see that as a positive. By choosing to stay with and focus on one woman, despite the physiological urges towards others, it shows how much you genuinely value and care about her. I never expect to stop finding attractive women attractive, but I sure as shit value my SO and our relationship / bond way more than I do any primal lure towards other women.
/r/PurplePillDebate10/04/20 03:48 PM
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This is interesting and echoes my experience when thinking of the shorter friends of mine who do well. Usually they have a lot going for them. Handsome, talented, outgoing, funny, status etc etc. One did fit that mould of being able to attract hotties regularly, but he also inevitably got cheated on every time. And on the other side of the coin, in retrospect I felt like I did better than I should have based on my face and personality. Not awkward, just more meek, nice and and 'there'. I definit…
/r/PurplePillDebate07/04/20 07:25 PM
4

I think expectations ought to managed, first of all. Not everyone can learn to be great at something, and dating/attracting women (or men) is no exception. So there some guys who will simply never compete with top tier men, no matter what they do. That said, I think the most important things that CAN be taught, that will help every man, aren't so much things to do, but things NOT to do. The biggest one is don't put women on a pedestal and buy into the popular medias/your moms idea of how to get …
/r/PurplePillDebate07/04/20 03:23 PM
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I'm not surprised. People in general are less attractive these days, from both genders. I recently watched a documentary on the Woodstock '69 concert, and what struck me was how attractive most people were. Mainly because 99% were thin and in decent shape. So, so many people are fat or at least chubby these days.
/r/PurplePillDebate30/03/20 04:32 PM
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I can only speak for myself, but I always laugh when people play 'gotcha' with men when sleep with their female friends. I mean, so? I've had a ton of great women friends. I would probably sleep with most of them, same goes for my friends' partners if they were single and in an alternate universe where they never met my friend. But there's such a huge difference between "I would if the opportunity presented itself" and "I'm desperately clamoring for it". That is to say, I'm very fine hanging out…
/r/PurplePillDebate07/03/20 02:27 PM
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Yeah, it's wishful thinking. I say that as someone in the 35+ male demo. I think some guys do better later in life if they were a bit shy in their 20s. Gaining a bit of confidence, good career etc and it probably does feel like an awakening for them. Conversely, many dudes who lived it up in their youth fall off hard either due to work stress, bad marriages, letting themselves go etc. The biggest issue is that women seem WAY better at maintaining social circles with age. I've seen so many guys w…
/r/PurplePillDebate26/02/20 09:39 PM
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This one kinda bothers me to be honest. My first girlfriend in high school, way outta my nerdy league, said "just so you know I tell my girlfriends every little thing about everything we do". Great. And it's frustrating to hear about male 'locker room talk' when it low key feels like it's commonly worse with women. We talked in vague terms among friends but never to this detail.
/r/PurplePillDebate20/02/20 12:35 PM
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I agree with this. Another one I would add to my OP if I thought of it. Again, always seems like a revenge fantasy and doesn't have much bearing in the real world.
/r/PurplePillDebate14/02/20 08:54 PM
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I agree with this, it's definitely in the middle of those two. And I admit I was naive to how much it matters for a long time.
/r/PurplePillDebate14/02/20 02:31 PM
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And I can generally agree with The Count. I get where some guys come from, but at the end of the day, it seems that their priorities are skewed to expect women to not be tainted. I think if they were honest, it comes from a place of insecurity. They don't like running the risk of being compared to other men. It's always the most insecure dudes that care about this stuff in my experience.
/r/PurplePillDebate14/02/20 02:16 PM
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Again, most guys find most women attractive. The whole 1-10 scale in men rating women is dumb because the only threshold that matters in the end is if a man has sex with her or not. That's it. Period. 100% disagree with this. Just because some guys will let some unattractive girl blow them when they are drunk and desperate (in the moment), doesn't mean all desire is equal and 'doesn't matter, had sex' applies. Despite still getting laid, less attractive women are treated very, very differently t…
/r/PurplePillDebate14/02/20 02:14 PM
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Which?
/r/PurplePillDebate14/02/20 02:11 PM
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Tons of people, men and women, end up with people they don't really desire because that's all they can get. That or they were once young and hot, got old and fat but have enough of a closeness and bond to not care any more.
/r/PurplePillDebate14/02/20 02:11 PM
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Question for you, how do fat chicks manage to rack up triple digit n counts? One girl in my wife's social circle got an n-count of 50 before she turned 21 while being plump. She claimed it was due to low self esteem and that she turned a new leaf after getting lipo. (Doubt, but whatever) Should've added this to my OP, but men desiring someone strongly for a proper LTR is very different than getting drunk and hooking up with someone they're not into. I know women like you describe who've banged t…
/r/PurplePillDebate14/02/20 01:48 PM
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Because building a close relationship and sense of companionship with someone is really nice, and ultimately because worth more than novel sex for a lot of people. But the way dating is described on many reddit subs, I'm not surprised this isn't a default thought. Most people seem obsessed with the transactional element of it, the "what can you bring to the table?" side of things, instead of sharing life/experiences with another human you bond with. Which is really weird to me.
/r/PurplePillDebate14/02/20 01:42 PM
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The only jealousy I've noticed from women is the fact that I can have what's considered a nice, fit looking body while eating with reckless gluttonous abandon, in ways they cannot.
/r/PurplePillDebate13/02/20 02:39 PM
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No, I believe I am much, much happier after learning about the pills. I don't necessarily think I would've been incel level....but I was definitely greatly struggling and hurting prior to learning the truth. It wasn't even called the red pill at the time...but I remember reading the first bit of PUA stuff and I felt my stomach bottom out. It was such a eureka moment that explained so much of my experience. That said, with time I've actually grown more into believing in the black pill. I realize …
/r/PurplePillDebate10/02/20 02:19 PM
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Muscles are one of the things I find men frequently get wrong. They either think it has absolutely zero effect, or that it has an overwhelming effect. I think it's somewhere in the middle, and (IME) highly dependent on the woman. Overall, it has a mild effect. But I can serve as an important role in building confidence. A few compliments here and there can really help make an otherwise insecure/confident guy carry himself better, and I think THAT has a much bigger effect than the muscles themsel…
/r/PurplePillDebate08/02/20 02:36 PM
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Yeah, I mean....so many of the threads on here are from men raging because women have more choices and more power in the dating game. That's fine, but who's to blame for that? It's absurd to expect women not to get a bit picky when they easily have 100+ matches on Tinder. There literally isn't enough time in the week/month/year to date every one of those guys and give them valid chances. SO MANY of these threads would be solved if men weren't so thirsty. Stop begging and crawling on your hands a…
/r/PurplePillDebate31/01/20 01:52 PM
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Even as someone who stayed slim pretty easily, that quote never, ever made sense to me either. And I think your comment rings true for a lot of people. It's about the return on the investment. Honestly, if I were prone to being overweight, I'm not sure I'd care enough if the only incentive was a bit more attraction from the opposite sex. Particularly if I was a woman, as I'd still probably have a decent amount of options. Dealing with food/hunger is all day, every day. It's a big ask for a lot o…
/r/PurplePillDebate30/01/20 03:48 PM
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I've wondered this a lot too, but then I've also considered that I'm an older loser (35+) and that maybe dating really has changed a lot since I was early-mid twenties and still into it. Infact, I think that's the biggest source of my fascination with sticking around. I like learning what the modern dating dynamics are like, complete with OLD now in the fold.
/r/PurplePillDebate29/01/20 08:08 PM
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Hey OP, saw this post and felt the urge to chime in! I think that dating is so emotionally vulnerable, and we're naturally going to try to understand the system in hopes of having some measure of control. I think that's precisely why forums like this exist. So I get it, and I empathize a lot. If I had three past GFs cheat on me, I'd have lots of questions too. But you know what? I think one of the big things that gets forgotten when discussing dating is just how utterly random it is. At the end …
/r/PurplePillDebate23/01/20 12:50 PM
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I'm not sure if this necessarily fits, but one of the big lightbulb moments for me when it came to understanding what women mean when they say they're attracted to dominance/confidence.... was when I realized I'm attracted to the same things in women. Super attractive but meek, submissive and doesn't take charge ever? Instant boner killer. I also understood the line between confident and cocky, because I certainly don't enjoy an obnoxious blowhard, but a women who carries herself like she's hot …
/r/PurplePillDebate22/01/20 01:31 PM
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Meh, I'd say it's the opposite. Those who can't fantasize about it, but overestimate its appeal. Look at hollywood celebs, many still get locked down with people. Some cheat, but no more than the standard population. Anecdotally I've known friends who could've slept around a lot, but actively chose relationships.
/r/PurplePillDebate21/01/20 02:13 PM
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A few things. Online dating seems to have messed people's perception of bonding and personality up big time. The anger I see from people all over the dating subs towards people who the have the gall to be remotely 'basic' is really weird. It reminds of job interviews. No wonder people are miserable. Another one that I think gets less airplay is the obesity epidemic. People are increasingly uglier, yet everyone on both sides still wants the babes. Throws everything off and leads to resentment eve…
/r/PurplePillDebate21/01/20 12:04 AM
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I'm a man and I'm way, way more into sexually aggressive women. Maybe dominant is too strong a word, but it's a massive turnon when women will lead and take what they want. Nothing is more dreadfully boring to me than women who are super submissive and just want me to be dominant. Sadly, that seems to be the most common dynamic by a long shot. Ironically, a lot of what I find attractive in women are traits that stereotypically women seek in men. Confidence is huge, I love when women are hot and …
/r/PurplePillDebate18/01/20 02:54 PM
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Short answer, no. Long answer, my opinion as a late twenties male. Woman age, but no more poorly than men. The variance within genders is much great than between genders as a whole. Both men and women have plenty of people that age really well and really poorly. From my own experience with my social circle, I'd say the women age better on average. Mostly due to them knowing how to look after their skin, knowing how to dress well and getting less fat. A lot of my male peers have ballooned and jus…
/r/PurplePillDebate06/01/20 07:32 PM
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I'm over most of the anger now, but I think my biggest source of remaining bitterness is that I simply didn't want it to be true. I know these forums like to make it seem like all red pilled dudes really want to be like that, and get off on being obnoxious assholes, but I'd wager most would prefer to act like blue pilled betas if it actually worked. Even once I figured things out, I never enjoyed the circus that I participated in. I WANTED to be nice, and available and fun. I genuinely enjoy doi…
/r/PurplePillDebate06/01/20 05:30 PM
2

One thing I've never understood or related to was the concept of finding bodies repulsive. I'm either attracted or indifferent. So in the case of fat women, it's the absence of having a body that I'm attracted to. No different than looking at a dude, for me. There's just nothing there, sexually. I can't explain it beyond that.
/r/PurplePillDebate27/10/19 11:22 PM
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The main problem with the term friendzone is that it implies that men are treating women they secretly want like their friends. They aren't. They are treating them like objects on a pedestal in an awkward fashion, which sabotages them. They don't treat their actual friends like this. There are some people who just aren't going to be attracted to you no matter what. Even if you're the coolest, most desirable version of you that there could be, they just ain't feeling it. However, I think there ar…
/r/PurplePillDebate22/07/19 04:58 PM
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I would agree overall. Both subreddits tend to be overly simplistic and lack nuance. I think the red pill tends to lean further towards depicting actual reality, but the blue pill might as well be reality for some people. At least for a time. I have friends who grew up with favorable genetic and environmental advantages, so things just worked for them without having to think about it. To them, the blue pill is a legit reality and it'd be hard to convince them otherwise. Now, have them get into a…
/r/PurplePillDebate19/07/19 03:02 PM
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A lot of women aren't anything to write home about, either. There's a reason why porn addiction is becoming more and more a thing, even with dudes in relationships with willing women.
/r/PurplePillDebate18/07/19 01:36 PM
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