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DebateJollyRoger66689/r/PurplePillDebate10/08/24 06:58 PM
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Question For WomenJollyRoger66689/r/PurplePillDebate23/12/24 05:01 PM
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If kids are involved or if I hypothetically asked her not to work ( I wouldn't do this) then yeah.... otherwise I don't know why she would still feel entitled to my shit if she I no longer my partner
/r/PurplePillDebate16/08/26 03:02 PM
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I 100% believe men try harder to understand women than vice versa. Definitely not arguing this has always been the case though lol
/r/PurplePillDebate13/08/26 02:36 PM
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Multiple reasons, there's biology for the Cumming. men being "simpler", The difference between what men and women find attractive and focusing on different aspects and damn so many women would be mad at you for suggesting that women do this for men. To be fair I think women like looking attractive more than men do in general so they focus on it more, like you can't tell me men don't have more "game" than women. I would highly disagree that women know more about what attracts men, it's just easie…
/r/PurplePillDebate13/08/26 02:31 PM
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Are you asking me why women are better at making men cum than vice versa?
/r/PurplePillDebate13/08/26 02:19 PM
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Trying to understand someone in as far as how it will benefit you isn’t trying to understand someone. Reason does not change the action no matter how much you dislike the reason. Women are taught to please men. Men are taught to acquire women. So very much disagree with this. Actually going to say women are taught to please men or are you living decades in the past? Men are taught to please women and straight up just treat them better than they would other men which is not something women are ta…
/r/PurplePillDebate13/08/26 02:13 PM
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They are trying to understand women, just because you dislike the reason does not change this fact, and again this is just the part that make men try MORE than women. Is there another reason why you think men should try harder than women or what exactly is the complaint here? I wasn't suggesting men are nicer than women for doing this, just stating they do in fact try harder to understand women than vice versa. You assuming that was negative tells me about your understanding of our perspective d…
/r/PurplePillDebate13/08/26 01:54 PM
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"Some"? More like most try to understand. To have sex is not the only reason, just probably the main one that makes men try to understand women more than women trying to understand men. And I wasn't suggesting they try to understand women so women won't be afraid of them, this was an example of them understanding women and acting accordingly, really weird of you to try and twist this into a negative
/r/PurplePillDebate13/08/26 01:31 PM
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What do you mean "how"? They try and look at things from a woman's POV quite often due to wanting to know what women like/dislike since we are usually the pursuers, besides stats and stuff the RP is pretty about that stuff even if you disagree with the conclusions they draw. For a non RP example men tend to be aware of the threat we pose and will alter our walking to not distress women (especially at night)
/r/PurplePillDebate13/08/26 01:23 PM
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Eh maybe, but I would also argue that it has a lot to do with "diminishing returns", you can't expect a ton of work for basically no benefit, part of the reason men are the ones that try more to begin with is women don't really have to to get men (although I would argue it would still be beneficial in finding a good relationship, just seems less important at first glance)
/r/PurplePillDebate13/08/26 01:18 PM
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I think men try WAY harder to view things from a woman's POV than vice versa, we are different though so it doesn't always work
/r/PurplePillDebate13/08/26 12:57 PM
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Just saying "men are whiny' was a strawman And just because men call out women and you dislike like it doesn't make it bad behavior nor them justifying their behavior due to some nice self image (asshole men call it out as well after all)
/r/PurplePillDebate13/08/26 12:40 PM
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Hahaha oh so when men point out women's bad choices and dislike women just saying men in general are bad you consider this bad behavior? Ffs
/r/PurplePillDebate13/08/26 12:30 PM
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What bad behavior are they justifying due to their self image? (Not just trying to justify using logic)
/r/PurplePillDebate13/08/26 12:16 PM
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Then explain how being whiny is equal to justifying bad behavior due to a "good guy" self image. If you don't like being called out for strawmen stop making them lol not that hard
/r/PurplePillDebate13/08/26 12:11 PM
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Who is denying men can be whiny and how does this argue your point? Strawman
/r/PurplePillDebate13/08/26 12:03 PM
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They don't generally do the same shit though, that's my point. Ridiculous to suggest me disagreeing with you is proving your point lol
/r/PurplePillDebate13/08/26 11:58 AM
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So men who also think the manosphere is dumb, that this Male Loneliness Epidemic is a self-inflicted problem by weirdos, and that the world doesnt revolve around them How does any of this argue that men justify their actions due to some self perceived "good guy" image. (Note difference between trying to justify actions in general) Not only is that a popular stereotype, it’s commonly it is commonly said in this sub how men arent as bad as the women they complain about while being worse than them.…
/r/PurplePillDebate13/08/26 11:53 AM
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I really don't see many men excusing men's behavior due to their thoughts, this seems like some woman stuff. Also straight up calling bull on you deciding to choose to focus on men due to seeing themselves as more logical..... you always choose to focus on men, just making excuses here
/r/PurplePillDebate13/08/26 11:47 AM
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Well some guys are already married so it would just be removing the sex part for them. I'm just saying there is a pretty important difference in not wanting a life partner if sex wasn't involved and not being willing to date to find one
/r/PurplePillDebate10/08/26 10:05 PM
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No, I mean dating and trying to find the one is already hard and sometimes seems hopeless, if sex wasn't involved I would have quit that chase decades ago lol (especially if still generally expected to be the pursuer and pay for dates)
/r/PurplePillDebate10/08/26 09:45 PM
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That's not really the question asked though, would you want to date women in a world without hetero sex is a bit different than that. Like I would say yes to "a female life partner" (assuming it was a good life partner obv.) But dating in the hopes of finding one? Oh hell no.
/r/PurplePillDebate10/08/26 09:30 PM
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Trying to make "hey sex pests think sex is important so this must mean that men who think sex is important are sex pests" into something is exactly the kind of mental gymnastics I am talking about.
/r/PurplePillDebate10/08/26 08:01 PM
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Trying to equate not wanting to pursue relationships if sex doesn't exist as "vile sex junkie that hates women" is ridiculous. It also doesn't even show men "not wanting something genuine", people already opt out of dating all the time, do you consider them all bigots? Dating already is a hassle, making it suck more and pretending it's some gotcha when people don't think it's worth it is just wild mental gymnastics
/r/PurplePillDebate10/08/26 07:14 PM
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What are you expecting us to do? Lol Haven't reinforced it either
/r/PurplePillDebate10/08/26 05:50 PM
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Not a chance, may invest more of my time into friendships and stuff but definitely wouldn't be pursuing anyone romantically, already hardly seems worth it with sex involved lol (I tend to have long stretches of taking myself out of dating, usually after a relationship and the almost inevitable rebound)
/r/PurplePillDebate10/08/26 05:48 PM
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Don't get use to it 😝
/r/PurplePillDebate01/08/26 04:26 PM
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I dunno man, the more I age the easier it seems to get..... these women be getting desperate lol
/r/PurplePillDebate01/08/26 03:23 PM
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Hahaha fair
/r/PurplePillDebate01/08/26 07:06 AM
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I have always found trans people interesting because you can see things that we normally miss. Keep being you, I know it can be hard at times but we appreciate you just trying to be happy with yourself
/r/PurplePillDebate01/08/26 06:41 AM
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So you argue against other people because you suck at the argument you care about? I love this, hahaha
/r/PurplePillDebate31/07/26 11:26 PM
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A lot of words to say that it made you feel a certain way lol
/r/PurplePillDebate31/07/26 11:05 PM
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There is no objective of a word? Wtf are you talking about? Words have meaning and your personal problem doesn't change this
/r/PurplePillDebate31/07/26 10:45 PM
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Pretty sure twisting words to your benefit is a more common example of sophistry than people using them correctly lol
/r/PurplePillDebate31/07/26 06:26 PM
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Shhhh you are making too much sense for reddit
/r/PurplePillDebate31/07/26 02:22 PM
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Nah, they are simply either low value relationship-wise or keep choosing the wrong men. None of this "they ain't fucking right" bs
/r/PurplePillDebate30/07/26 09:05 PM
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Gaza tends to come up pretty quickly. Wtf? For who? Lmao, I don't see why I would bring this up at all let alone quickly. Maybe it's due to me being in my 30's or something, but getting political with people IRL isn't that common for me in general and feel like if I do I better be ready for an argument, which sure sometimes I like to do..... but with a woman I'm dating? Definitely don't try looking for an argument and don't see much benefit in this personally. That aside you said 'any of the wom…
/r/PurplePillDebate30/07/26 04:32 AM
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Not about politics, how soon are you bringing up politics my guy?
/r/PurplePillDebate30/07/26 02:11 AM
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It becoming less extreme doesn't change the fact that right now, as of this moment it's still extreme. (I can also add in the fact that it mattering more is going to be driven by new people entering the market so matters less for the rest of us unless trying to date them) Now unless you have more to add then "but it's growing" then yeah sounds like we are done
/r/PurplePillDebate30/07/26 02:10 AM
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my overall point is though, the party and policy matters Matters in general? Of course. In dating? Not enough to filter people unless you are more on the extreme-side, like with you and towards the far left places
/r/PurplePillDebate30/07/26 01:51 AM
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To you, it matters to you You’re using party and policy as if they’re fully different things that don’t relate to each other. Why? They relate, but they aren't synonymous. I hate both parties for example and don't consider myself either (american left leaning and pro abortion though)
/r/PurplePillDebate30/07/26 01:39 AM
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Caring about a policy is not the extra part, it's going so far as filtering out dates based on political party...... this is indeed extra since it is going more than the norm. So again, don't like it? change the behavior instead of getting mad at others for noticing or learn to live with it.
/r/PurplePillDebate30/07/26 01:31 AM
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I didn't mention needing to ask every woman or anything like that. I was stating that the groups of women polled already sound like the women with more extreme feelings on this matter to start with and it's still a minority even amongst themselves (also the fact that their actions may not reflect their answer since most don't ask) and before I had transitioned when I was a dude I’d see that quite often. See what, women stating that they won't date conservatives in their dating profile? Bet it wa…
/r/PurplePillDebate30/07/26 01:25 AM
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Are you suggesting 40-60% of women ask? (Curious about the polls) because I'm having an extremely hard time believing this is the case, most women don't put this kind of thing on their dating app for instance (and i live in Cali, no minority of democrat leaning women here), just a small minority. Maybe it's the self described liberal/progressive part that is skewing those results since there is going to be a higher percentage of extremist there than just asking women in general.
/r/PurplePillDebate30/07/26 01:07 AM
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It mattering to more women now than before does not change the fact that it's still a minority of women who are more extreme than other women (about polotics) does it? but when human rights are literally the diffence maker politics kinda do really matter and imo brushing it off is a good sign that you’re not impacted by this in the slightest I don't brush off politics in general, I brush off needing to know a woman's political party...... not sure how me knowing would have helped or hurt our rel…
/r/PurplePillDebate30/07/26 12:56 AM
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Aw that's what you meant, fair enough. Definitely see a lot of mockable gender stuff from both men and women
/r/PurplePillDebate30/07/26 12:42 AM
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Yeah because they never mock or insult men when it comes to women only spaces /s
/r/PurplePillDebate30/07/26 12:36 AM
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I don't think I've known the political affiliation of any of the women I have dated or slept with, I don't think this is asvbig of a deal as women try and make it out to be. Most people don't use this to filter out potential partners, it's an extremist minority.
/r/PurplePillDebate30/07/26 12:34 AM
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Too often on reddit I have to copy/paste definitions. Why do people insist on creating their own definitions instead of looking it up? Baffles me
/r/PurplePillDebate29/07/26 03:20 PM
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the amounts they are earning are irrelevant. it's how much labor they are doing. periodt. Irrelevant to what? You really seem to want to argue a strawman soooo badly lol definition says MEANS OF SUPPORT. not money. money is only one of many forms of support. Missed the part where it specifies their wages providing support? You can look it up from other "dictionaries" as well..... I'm just using the actual definition here, no clue where you are getting yours from
/r/PurplePillDebate28/07/26 05:30 PM
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Depends on how much she earns compared to her husband Merrium breadwinner- a member of a family whose wages supply the family's PRINCIPAL or only means of support https://www.merriam-webster.com/dictionary/breadwinner I'm using the actual definition, where are you pulling yours from? Lol
/r/PurplePillDebate28/07/26 04:41 PM
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define breadwinner The definition is PRIMARY or sole cash earner, bruh Google is free. if a woman is also working, she is also a breadwinner Nope, not sure where you got this idea from. the rest Wtf are you babbling about and what does it have to do with anything I said?
/r/PurplePillDebate28/07/26 04:22 PM
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Wtf you talking about, I did answer the question. A woman that expects a man to be the breadwinner but not necessarily the sole provider? Soooo many If you are asking how many tradwives that expect a sole provider getting with men that mathematically can't be a sole provider? Probably not many....... but what did I say that this argument is supposed to be arguing against? Just strawmanning?
/r/PurplePillDebate28/07/26 03:01 PM
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Depends on your standard of tradwife/poor, women that want a man to focus on earning money while she focuses on kids? Plenty, literally so many. Also why would you argue a strawman? I said it's not ALL they care about, not that they don't care.
/r/PurplePillDebate28/07/26 02:26 PM
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Placing more importance on gender roles does not mean ALL they care about is what a man can do for her. Tradwives also more often seem to respect what a man wants and don't take some personal offense at the mere idea that they also have to provide things the man wants and it's not solely about what the woman wants that we see far more often with feminists
/r/PurplePillDebate28/07/26 02:13 PM
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I disagree on what you consider coercion and straight up believe you don't even have any logical consistency in what constitutes sexual coercion and it seems to be more based on things that you personally dislike. How else would a person challenge logical consistency other than using other examples with the same logic?
/r/PurplePillDebate28/07/26 01:30 PM
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That's not moving the goalpost, it's challenging your logic and it's consistency, don't understand the difference?
/r/PurplePillDebate28/07/26 01:08 PM
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I don’t know anyone who at least couldn’t shoot their shot from a past and have to rely on all new options. No one is denying their ability to "shoot their shot", but are they actually doing it is the question but most men around me do have someone from their past that they can rely on to meet their needs should their relationship end. Yeah I don't think most men I know have people they can just hit up for some sex if their relationship ends.
/r/PurplePillDebate28/07/26 03:16 AM
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Looking for new options. Most men around you hookup with an ex after a relationship fails? I really don't think this is the norm
/r/PurplePillDebate28/07/26 02:45 AM
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I believe whether consciously or subconsciously that most people in committed relationships have accessible access to past interests should their current relationship end thereby retaining back up options. I believe that this is normal and I believe that this is reasonable Oh, then I just disagree. I don't think most people are subconsciously keeping backup options around. There is a bit of a stereotype of women doing this, but I don't think most men are hooking up with backup options after a re…
/r/PurplePillDebate28/07/26 02:28 AM
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Just having the ability to do something (due to the internet) is not the same as keeping people around due to seeing them as a backup option. Trying to view the 2 as basically the same sounds more like you are trying to downplay how messed up it is to keep backup options around even if you are in a relationship
/r/PurplePillDebate28/07/26 02:09 AM
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Would you consider someone dressing in expensive looking clothes in order to get girls or women wearing make-up to look better for guys as sexual coercion? If not, why are those different? I'm behaving the same regardless of if I want to sleep with the woman (in this regard) and not changing my actions, no tricking happening here
/r/PurplePillDebate28/07/26 01:39 AM
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Usually, sexual coercion happens through nonphysical, forceful behaviors, such as being pressured, tricked, or threatened into engaging in unwanted sexual activities. Yeah I agree If they legitimately trick you (such as making false promises) that is sexual coercion, not if your expectation/assumption wasn't met..... very big difference here Would you consider someone dressing in expensive looking clothes in order to get girls or women wearing make-up to look better for guys as sexual coercion? …
/r/PurplePillDebate27/07/26 09:02 PM
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So your proof now is an opinion based article that never even calls it sexual coercion? moving the goalpost + using an opinion as proof.... nice double whammy there Lmfao
/r/PurplePillDebate27/07/26 08:13 PM
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Yes, you keep saying it but can't SHOW anything to back up your claim besides "making false promises" which is observably ridiculous since your made up assumptions don't equal making a promise, the fact that you for even a second thought those 2 are comparable is straight up loony tunes. On the otherhand I showed you the definition of the word coercion and it didn't match.... See the difference here?
/r/PurplePillDebate27/07/26 08:02 PM
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If this was true you would be able to show it instead of pretending that a womans wants/expectations are the same as a man promising something lol.
/r/PurplePillDebate27/07/26 06:46 PM
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If this was true you would be able to show it instead of pretending that a womans wants/expectations are the same as a man promising something lol. But you trying to claim that I'm talking against a woman for simply not WANTING to be seen as ugly just never happened, just another in a long line of things that I never did, but for some reason you keep making these things up
/r/PurplePillDebate27/07/26 04:48 PM
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It's what I talked against..... I didn't say anything negative about a woman simply wanting to not be seen as ugly like you are claiming. Being against people calling it sexual coercion or feeling entitled to a man sharing this unprompted is not the same as being against a simple want. Not hard to see the difference
/r/PurplePillDebate27/07/26 04:38 PM
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Where did I say it was? Don't think I blamed anyone for not wanting to be seen as ugly, it's the entitlement and false accusations that stem from that want the I talked against
/r/PurplePillDebate27/07/26 03:37 PM
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No it isn't. You can't just pretend things you want/expect are being promised by someone else, do you not see how crazy that logic is? And who "knows they want a relationship" keep making up things for some strange reason
/r/PurplePillDebate27/07/26 03:33 PM
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Do you just not know what words mean or just don't care? Putting aside the fact that it's a false accusation as the definitions show (unless you can point to the false promise being made), even if it was true that doesn't change that it's an accusation lol, look up words it's not that hard
/r/PurplePillDebate27/07/26 03:32 PM
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Not dealing in absolutes, just using the same logic. People are just way too willing to throw around words that don't fit just because they like the way it sounds. Is there a reason this would be sociopathic but other examples wouldn't be?
/r/PurplePillDebate27/07/26 01:44 PM
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It said "making false promises", what false promises were made?
/r/PurplePillDebate27/07/26 01:36 PM
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I'm not blaming them for not asking the right questions, where did I do this? Always making up things. I blame them for engaging in casual sex and then being upset it doesn't lead to a relationship and the entitlement this kind of mentality this shows
/r/PurplePillDebate27/07/26 01:30 PM
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Not the accusation I was referring to
/r/PurplePillDebate27/07/26 01:22 PM
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I was just using their terminology to argue their own logic with..... really weird to come after me for it instead of the person that originally said it
/r/PurplePillDebate27/07/26 12:37 PM
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Where did I suggest she would? This is your strawman, not an argument I made
/r/PurplePillDebate27/07/26 12:35 PM
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I posted the definition and it doesn't fit...... can you link anything that actually fits or is your tactic just saying the word over and over again?
/r/PurplePillDebate27/07/26 12:33 PM
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(Sorry for late reply, Had a bit of a ban lol) "I don't care if my accusations are false, I don't like what you do" Yeesh, this is a scary mentality, but thanks for proving why I don't need to take you seriously when it comes to moralizing.
/r/PurplePillDebate27/07/26 12:32 PM
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I don't think fat women are ugly to myself, they are seen as uglier by society as a whole and there are indeed ugly and attractive fat women in my eyes.... not like I have to find them attractive just because they are fat.
/r/PurplePillDebate27/07/26 12:29 PM
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By that logic anyone prioritizing their own happiness over others is a sociopath, just a ridiculous thing to believe
/r/PurplePillDebate27/07/26 12:28 PM
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Well the intention part sounds like a thing people should ask if they care lol. As for the not finding them attractive? Maybe they don't know, maybe they assume that's why a relationship isn't wanted, maybe they don't care. That's kind of how life works in general
/r/PurplePillDebate23/07/26 11:01 PM
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Oh, so not sexual coercion then? How is having sex with a woman a false pretense to something? What false/deceiving act is being put on here?
/r/PurplePillDebate23/07/26 10:54 PM
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Throwing out accusations when not getting the results you want is pretty diabolical imo
/r/PurplePillDebate23/07/26 10:51 PM
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How would I know what she knows/thinks, neither of us asked
/r/PurplePillDebate23/07/26 10:50 PM
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Didn't answer my question, is this making false promises?
/r/PurplePillDebate23/07/26 10:49 PM
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Personally I do it because I like sex, this is just advice for others due to some side effects I have noticed about it. "Oh no the guy I'm casually having sex with only wants me for casual sex" eh could be worse.
/r/PurplePillDebate23/07/26 10:48 PM
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What "stringing along" have I talked about? Why are you just making up things?
/r/PurplePillDebate23/07/26 10:40 PM
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Is what we are talking about the same as "false promises"? Are you actually going to try and pretend right now?
/r/PurplePillDebate23/07/26 10:39 PM
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Sex outside of a relationship doesn't end in a relationship..... oh the horror /s
/r/PurplePillDebate23/07/26 10:38 PM
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Are you under the belief your false assumptions equal false promises? It's clearly talking about telling a woman that you will do something for her if she sleeps with you and not doing it...... why are you trying to twist it? All this talk about lying by omission and shit and here you are not caring about the truth at all.
/r/PurplePillDebate23/07/26 10:37 PM
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The "what are we" conversation is not one that I feel obligated to start unless I'm the one trying to define the relationship
/r/PurplePillDebate23/07/26 10:31 PM
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Uh huh, how about resorting to baseless ad hominem attacks after being shown to be wrong?
/r/PurplePillDebate23/07/26 10:04 PM
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I don't let people know when I find them ugly without them asking in general, would be dumb to start here lol. Again, if a relationship is a deal-breaker then wait for the relationship, ffs women need to take some accountability, no clue why women are refusing to do this if it's supposedly so important to them
/r/PurplePillDebate23/07/26 09:46 PM
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What false promises? The ones made up in your head? Lmfao
/r/PurplePillDebate23/07/26 09:35 PM
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Only if we are under the belief that a man trying to sleep with you has some underlying assumption of wanting a relationship or something unless stated otherwise......... I do not agree with this belief. If the relationship part is a deal breaker then why have sex before a relationship? This doesn’t make sense, is there a reason women simply refuse to wait for a relationship? (If that is a deal breaker.... if not, cool)
/r/PurplePillDebate23/07/26 09:32 PM
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Revenge? I have casual sex because I want to have casual sex...... anyone else having casual sex while expecting more are the ones doing things backwards
/r/PurplePillDebate23/07/26 09:16 PM
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By what definition? Your link did not include this and it literally does not fit the definition of coercion https://www.merriam-webster.com/dictionary/coercion Coercion-the act, process, or power of coercing Coerce:as in to compel to cause (a person) to give in to pressure Compel: 1 : to drive or urge forcefully or irresistibly Hunger compelled him to eat. The general was compelled to surrender. 2 : to cause to do or occur by overwhelming pressure FFS why do so many people just fling oyr words t…
/r/PurplePillDebate23/07/26 09:12 PM
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When did I say men should lie about their intentions? I don't remember doing this You have a very low var for what you consider sociopathic, hope you keep that standard for women as well
/r/PurplePillDebate23/07/26 07:35 PM
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Women unable to take accountability for their own actions and blame men sounds more like it
/r/PurplePillDebate23/07/26 07:32 PM
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It's not even coercion really, the examples given was about promising something and not delivering "Lies: A person may use misinformation to coax someone to have sex with them. They may use myths about consent to convince someone they have no right to say no, make false promises, or tell them their demands or coercive behaviors are normal." Coerce:to compel to an act or choice It's about making someone think they don't have a choice. You just want to lump anything that makes a woman think "well …
/r/PurplePillDebate23/07/26 07:31 PM
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No, I said they shouldn't just assume there is intent to marry. In this context though I'm saying they shouldn't just assume that the intent to sleep with means the man also intends to date them. Being consistent here
/r/PurplePillDebate23/07/26 07:22 PM
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Your post proves me correct. Men are bad. That is what we were supposed to be arguing against? "Men bad"? Lmao
/r/PurplePillDebate23/07/26 07:19 PM
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I did not describe men this way..... being able to logically think about something does not make you some kind of sociopath, that's crazy
/r/PurplePillDebate23/07/26 07:18 PM
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Pretty much, yeah
/r/PurplePillDebate23/07/26 07:16 PM
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Is that calling it rape?
/r/PurplePillDebate23/07/26 07:15 PM
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That isn't calling it rape, even catcalling is considered "sexual assault" lol
/r/PurplePillDebate23/07/26 07:15 PM
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I didn't say get better AT relationships though, I'm saying they will have better relationships since they won't waste their time on bad ones
/r/PurplePillDebate23/07/26 07:09 PM
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Yeah if you notice she has the wrong idea you should say something and vice versa, but a lot of people aren't even sure if they want to get married or not and a lot of men kind of just date with the idea that if they find someone they want to marry they will and if not they won't (I assume the same is for women). So it's a bit confusing when this needs to be brought up since they are usually in the relationship already when they decide they aren't trying to marry this girl and unless she has bro…
/r/PurplePillDebate23/07/26 06:47 PM
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Aw yeah I can see that, this was more advice for the kind of men that have this scarcity mindset. My bad, I totally did not clarify...... I don't have experience with an abundance of options so I kind of forgot about those that have too much casual sex lol
/r/PurplePillDebate23/07/26 06:24 PM
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I was just saying that of course men aren't going to say it's ok to make her think otherwise. Dating without the intention is fine though, especially in this day and age where plenty of people don't even want to get married. The person with the standard should be the one to ask about this kind of thing and not just assume others are wanting the same thing as them
/r/PurplePillDebate23/07/26 06:19 PM
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Agreed, but with the caveat that they don't necessarily have to say it on the date/day they realize it. Similar to how I think a woman doesn't necessarily have to tell a man that she isn't interested before he offers to pick up the bill if she realizes it during the date
/r/PurplePillDebate23/07/26 06:16 PM
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Showing you the definition of the word is panicking? Lmao Where are you getting your definition from? Besides your ass
/r/PurplePillDebate23/07/26 05:46 PM
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Instead of expecting men to be upfront and telling women something like "hey after getting to know you (or too ugly) I'm not actually interested in a serious relationship with you but still willing to smash if you are down" I think it's a lot more reasonable for the person who doesn't like casual sex to just not engage in casual sex
/r/PurplePillDebate23/07/26 05:35 PM
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How is correcting you on what rape means a strawman? "UNLAWFUL sexual activity and usually sexual intercourse carried out forcibly or under threat of injury against a person's will or with a person who is beneath a certain age or incapable of valid consent because of mental illness, mental deficiency, intoxication, unconsciousness, or deception" https://www.merriam-webster.com/dictionary/rape I'm using the actual definition while you are just using your own made up definition. Do you really not …
/r/PurplePillDebate23/07/26 05:29 PM
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Definitely not all I comment, I have made a similar post a couple of months ago, but no I don't solely focus on casual sex or anything like that so not sure where you are getting this from honestly (maybe just multiple men saying women aren't entitled to relationships) Yeah sending mixed signals to make them stay is deceptive, but I wouldn't call sleeping with someone (or hitting on them) while not wanting a relationship a mixed signal.
/r/PurplePillDebate23/07/26 05:25 PM
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Having sex while dating people falls under the umbrella of casual sex Casual sex is sexual activity that is an alternative to a romantic relationship and implies an absence of commitment, emotional attachment, or familiarity between sexual partners.[1][2] Examples are sexual activity while casually dating, one-night stands, prostitution or swinging and friends with benefits relationships. -https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Casual_sex You wanting things to be different doesn't change what they are...…
/r/PurplePillDebate23/07/26 05:05 PM
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Deception In an unlawful way, like in the revenge of the nerds movie where he made the girl believe he was her boyfriend (mask)..... that's rape. If a guy led some gold digger on to think he had a lot of money when he didn't..... not rape Understand the difference?
/r/PurplePillDebate23/07/26 05:00 PM
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It's not their job, but they also aren't entitled to a relationship just because they had sex with a guy
/r/PurplePillDebate23/07/26 04:56 PM
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Sure some men lie to get laid, but them going on a date and sleeping with someone without wanting a relationship with them is not lying. You don’t need to date to get sex And you don't have to sleep with someone you aren't in a relationship with. This should be common sense but women like to make things more complicated than they really are (or just like the plausible deniability), it makes no sense to me to sleep with someone outside of a relationship if the relationship is so important to them…
/r/PurplePillDebate23/07/26 04:55 PM
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Yeah the idea is just women lower than their own SMV, although definitely would not have considered myself a 6/7 (maybe now after a lot of weight loss and muscle gain, but 7 is still pushing it too far).
/r/PurplePillDebate23/07/26 04:37 PM
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The "let her think otherwise" is the part where you are going to lose most men. Many men will date a woman with no intention of ever marrying her, dating isn't just a prelude to marriage anymore and it's on the person that wants marriage to let their wants to be known. Most of the women I was in a relationship with I had 0 intention of marrying.
/r/PurplePillDebate23/07/26 04:29 PM
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Alright cool, not sure why what you find pathetic matters in this conversation, but good for you I guess.
/r/PurplePillDebate23/07/26 04:20 PM
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So meaning to say they’re likely aiming for 6s & above this they struggle with dating/finding a match. But if they can casually sleep with a 3 and get some confidence (or whatever skills gained from casual sex), they can possibly get into a relationship with a 4 or 5 Partly, even if they can rarely obtain what they are going after they may get stuck in this scarcity mindset where they will stay in a bad relationship since it seems preferable to going back to their sexless past self. This is less…
/r/PurplePillDebate23/07/26 04:18 PM
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It does say how it helps them not stay/get into bad relationships though (if you disagree that doesn't change this). You just prefer to argue against a strawman.
/r/PurplePillDebate23/07/26 04:09 PM
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People in general tend to hide things about themselves in the beginning and can potentially make many people rapists by this definition. I get that you want to tie this action to something that already is hated, but it just devalues what rape actually is, but hey I guess just lying about the situation beats having to confront your double standard.
/r/PurplePillDebate23/07/26 04:07 PM
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lowering your standards for casual fun helps remind men that sex/relationships aren't some unattainable goal and would help men remember that they don't have to stay in a bad relationship or settle. You will have a baseline to remember that you could have a relationship if you were desperate enough, but you are aiming for a woman that is worth it and not just taking any woman that is willing.
/r/PurplePillDebate23/07/26 04:03 PM
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Doesn't change the stats, this about generalities. Whether or not you personally find someone ugly or hot will not change this
/r/PurplePillDebate23/07/26 04:01 PM
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Did you even read the post? I feel like you are asking questions to things I already mentioned..... one of those people that just reply to the title?
/r/PurplePillDebate23/07/26 03:58 PM
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It's not about them being better in a relationship, it's about them being less willing to stay/get into a bad relationship.
/r/PurplePillDebate23/07/26 03:55 PM
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Ok, so? sleeping with someone doesn't entitle you to a relationship. Having sex outside of a relationship should only be done by people that are ok with it even if it doesn't end up in a relationship. I really don't get why women are so against this idea if it's that important to them.
/r/PurplePillDebate23/07/26 03:50 PM
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Do you think women SHOULD trust men less just because they can't just expect a relationship is available to them with the men they sleep with? Waiting until a relationship sounds like the solution if this is important to them otherwise it sounds like you just want this to be the case to punish men for sleeping with women they don't want to date
/r/PurplePillDebate23/07/26 03:41 PM
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Men admitting they sleep down makes me know that a man wanting to sleep with me means he thinks I’m less than. If that is all they are willing to do then yeah they probably aren't that attracted to you. Bbw porn is a bunch of curvy, round, big assed or big titted women with a tiny belly. I’m not the good kind of fat. Bbw porn is definitely not usually a tiny bellied woman (sometimes mislabeled and this does annoy me, but this is the exception)..... now big titted and/or ass, yeah that's usually …
/r/PurplePillDebate23/07/26 03:31 PM
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If the 2 options are using the sex source even if it increases the chances of drying up or not using it so it doesn't dry up then I would argue the former is better for the guy...... if they have a better option then yeah use that
/r/PurplePillDebate23/07/26 03:18 PM
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Well many men will stay in a bad relationship because they fear they may not find another one if they lose it, but I think knowing that you could always lower your standards to at least scratch that sexual itch will help men feel desperate enough to hold on to bad relationships out of fear of loneliness.
/r/PurplePillDebate23/07/26 03:13 PM
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Not sure why whether or not someone is attracted to their sexual partner makes it more or less moral. I’d love to have a partner. I’ve only had one ex before. He fell for my personality. He turned me down for sex. That's rough ngl (I'm assuming weight isn't your only issue otherwise I would say you are exaggerating your problems due to chubby chasers like me existing). I do hope you find someone you match with eventually, maybe it will be another poly woman, I dunno, but I do hope you find it.
/r/PurplePillDebate23/07/26 03:11 PM
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Usually in hopes of a relationship or because they can't get the more attractive men..... you don't have to be better looking than most men, just better looking than most of her options.
/r/PurplePillDebate23/07/26 03:05 PM
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Partly a self esteem issue..... men "sleep down" in general, weight is just one of the (big) components of this. Even if you were better looking/skinnier there would still be men not attracted to you trying to hit, just to a less degree. BBW is a popular porn category for a reason ( I do dislike when people assume I'm going to find a woman attractive just because she is fat though, like they think it's somehow different than them not finding every skinny girl attractive)
/r/PurplePillDebate23/07/26 03:03 PM
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Confidence and not having a "scarcity mindset"
/r/PurplePillDebate23/07/26 02:58 PM
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Yes, you, right now..... jk jk
/r/PurplePillDebate23/07/26 02:57 PM
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"I'll take what I can get" "horny sometimes. I can pretend sometimes that they want to be there." you also said you are not "committed monogamous person". This does indeed sounds like sometimes you use men for sex, maybe you see it differently because you feel like you have been placed in this position of "sex only" by men in general, but doesn't change you doing it.
/r/PurplePillDebate23/07/26 02:57 PM
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This doesn't mathematically hold up though, the stats show a linear relationship with attractiveness, not some 80/20 "hoarding of sex" like that 1 dating app stat
/r/PurplePillDebate23/07/26 02:50 PM
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Saying it still exists is not the same as saying it doesn't help at all.
/r/PurplePillDebate23/07/26 02:49 PM
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Well yeah, but if they have an issue with sleeping with a man who isn't going to commit then waiting for commitment seems like what they should be doing to begin with right?
/r/PurplePillDebate23/07/26 02:47 PM
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Insecurity-wise Being able to sleep with ugly women is better than not being able to sleep with any women at all. Being sexless will not help a man's self worth unless he is sexless for a good personal reason
/r/PurplePillDebate23/07/26 02:45 PM
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Not a complete cure, but I would argue it helps with the insecurity
/r/PurplePillDebate23/07/26 02:40 PM
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Oh so you do have a double standard about being honest about not wanting to date someone? Interesting You are essentially raping that person. Because if you were actually honest with them, they wouldn’t have sex with you. Of course you would have this deluded idea of rape ffs
/r/PurplePillDebate23/07/26 02:40 PM
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The stats do show this.... you saying "but beauty is subjective" doesn't change this. So to clarify.... Yes women's standards play a bigger role, but men's standards also play a role (wouldn't have made the post if i thought otherwise)
/r/PurplePillDebate23/07/26 02:38 PM
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But the stats show that the amount of women men sleep with goes up with attractiveness and the opposite is true for women...... so women are sleeping up but mathematically it's not the most attractive men having all the sex. This doesn't help the absolute bottom tier of men's chances, but helps the rest of men
/r/PurplePillDebate23/07/26 02:36 PM
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So you want to use men sexually but are mad at men using you sexually just because they aren't attracted to you? Sounds like an ego problem. Plenty of men actually find fat women attractive to be fair (I'm one of them)
/r/PurplePillDebate23/07/26 02:32 PM
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But I get your last point though From a guy's perspective being able to casually sleep with a woman is usually harder than getting into a relationship with them.... if you can casually sleep with "3's" you should be able to get into a relationship with a "4" or "5" from our POV Interested to see if those men struggling with dating would give their input on this topic. Depending on what you mean by struggling I may fit the bill, I'm no player and takes a decent amount of effort to find a relation…
/r/PurplePillDebate23/07/26 02:30 PM
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What's in it for the women you're talking about though? What do they get out of it? Ummmm sex (also companionship depending on the level of casual)? If you are having casual sex while disliking sex you are doing it wrong. Isn't it humiliating to you that you're actively seeking out women you find unattractive to sleep with because the ones you find attractive don't want you? Less humiliating than no one wanting the guy. Also sometimes a drought just needs to be ended to help you get back into th…
/r/PurplePillDebate23/07/26 02:20 PM
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Openly admitting to lying to women and using them Do you also share this disdain for when women reject men without telling them the actual reason or does the inclusion of sex make it different in your eyes? In my view this is just a form of rejection and not wanting to be unnecessarily mean in doing so..... would saying they are too ugly to be in a relationship with somehow be better than saying you aren't interested in one?
/r/PurplePillDebate23/07/26 02:16 PM
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"Openly lying" where did I say this? Just making up things to act like a victim?
/r/PurplePillDebate23/07/26 02:12 PM
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Lol yeah definitely an issue as well, but Our DM was good on that front, just bald and dorky (although hygiene from other members was questionable, but never talked about their sex life so just have assumptions about half of them.)
/r/PurplePillDebate23/07/26 02:11 PM
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Are you suggesting that being able to have casual sex in general is comparable to being able to have casual sex with "hordes of women"? Seems like you are arguing a strawman. Stats do show that the more attractive a man is the higher his body count is so the answer to your question would be standards and ability to do so
/r/PurplePillDebate23/07/26 02:08 PM
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Well on behalf of those other men, thank you for your service lol
/r/PurplePillDebate23/07/26 02:05 PM
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Like imagine fraternity and there are two men. And one will tell that i don't get sex for now, i'm busy/not in the mood/whatever excuse, and another will tell that he gets lots of sex but only from the uggos, fatties, because average girls are too much trouble. In this scenario person A either has to lie to himself and/or person B and for person B to believe it to have the result you are suggesting.... if we are going this far they can just lie about banging hotties A more accurate analogy would…
/r/PurplePillDebate23/07/26 02:03 PM
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If she validates my penis it's only fair of me to validate her :p
/r/PurplePillDebate23/07/26 01:55 PM
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Most men who struggle with relationships are already struggling to get dates, let alone casual sex. Unless you’re referring to paid sex. As for suggesting they sleep with uggos, Not sure why you separated these 2 like it's not connected.... yes if they are struggling lowering their standards would help right? I don’t think that’s a realistic solution either. I’m a woman, so I can’t speak for men with certainty, but my impression is that many men are willing to overlook incompatibilities in perso…
/r/PurplePillDebate23/07/26 01:54 PM
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Join a DnD group and get back to me lol. (Our DM was a virgin for instance)
/r/PurplePillDebate23/07/26 01:44 PM
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I didn't suggest lying to women or something.... if women have issues with men sleeping with them with 0 intention of a relationship they can just wait until a relationship to sleep with a guy. Not sure why women hate this idea, don't engage in sex outside of a relationship if the relationship part is a deal-breaker to you
/r/PurplePillDebate23/07/26 01:42 PM
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Casual sex is only about sex. Neither party is supposed to be in it for anything more than that. Why not? There are more benefits than just the sex if you want..... just because the sex is all YOU care about doesn't mean every guy should think the same. Never paid for a dating app and they still work (most likely less), there is literally a dating app for fat prople......... and I can attest it works lol. Not suggesting as soon as you lower your standards it becomes easy but it's a lot easier
/r/PurplePillDebate23/07/26 01:39 PM
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Having sex with uggos does not lower a man's status compared to having no sex, where are you getting this idea from? It doesn't even make sense to me, why would it? The logic is either he can get average/hot woman, or he can imagine that he can. Sure if those are the only 2 options..... I don't think most men that can't get laid are under the illusion they can get average/hot, those that are I suppose this wouldn't work for, this is more for those that aren't under this illusion. mhm. if that's …
/r/PurplePillDebate23/07/26 01:35 PM
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Just self focused.... a bit asshole-ish? Maybe, but only if you hide that you aren't looking for a relationship with them. Definitely never tell them that they are too ugly for a relationship and only good enough for sex, no need to be that brutally honest, just leave it as "not looking for a relationship right now" lmao
/r/PurplePillDebate23/07/26 01:26 PM
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If your only goal is the sex itself sure, this doesn't have the other mental benefits of sleeping with someone that actually wants to fuck you though, can also get pricey I'm assuming (My casual relationships were pretty low cost)
/r/PurplePillDebate23/07/26 01:21 PM
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I have no clue if this is a serious question..... do you think it's easy for most guys to get laid or something?
/r/PurplePillDebate23/07/26 01:18 PM
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Hard disagree, sure you get MORE status and reassurance from hot women than ugly women, but I can assure you that you still get some from ugly women as well. You seem to be comparing these 2 instead of comparing it to getting 0 sex at all. Men already put so little effort into getting sex, like i know that men want me to believe otherwise Men that don't have to or men that have given up don't, but yes I would say men in general put plenty of effort, you just don't notice how much that men do is …
/r/PurplePillDebate23/07/26 01:15 PM
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I showed the data in the post my guy lol. Even women that are not very attractive don't want to be considered "on sale", "discount". If a man tries to approach obese woman thinking that she'll give him a chance because she is even uglier than him - she'll tell him to go f himself. Do you think I'm suggesting that you should tell them that you are only interested in casual because you find them unattractive or just think they can tell? Stats clearly show that the uglier the woman is the more she …
/r/PurplePillDebate23/07/26 01:05 PM
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I dunno man, it's still pretty hard, have to disagree with you here. I know plenty of middle aged men that are virgins or close to it and even with my low as hell standards for casual it has usually taken plenty of effort (not always, but usually)
/r/PurplePillDebate23/07/26 01:00 PM
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You fundamentally misunderstand RP, it's descriptive of the situation, that's the whole point, to show how things "really are" that's where the name comes from. It can also be about how to operate within this system, but it's not about changing it
/r/PurplePillDebate23/07/26 12:18 PM
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Again hypergamy is not exclusive to polygamous species you are arguing a strawman. Even without polygamy the stats clearly show women want better than themselves and go for it..... they do end up with their equal, but this is still hypergamy and you are just fixating on the polygamy version. which I agree shouldn't be forced into or anything, but I also think people should do as they please and not be forced to be monogamous Technologically? Yes. But in terms of quality of life - very doubtful. …
/r/PurplePillDebate16/07/26 08:53 PM
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Again, before agrarian revolution women had the ability to say 'no', but after patriarchy emerged they couldn't. And yet the y-chromosome collapse happened after human society restructured into a patrilineal form. How does any of that theory go against it being assumed women want the best they could get for biological reasons? I am not suggesting they were willing to share the best they could get (also not saying they would be against it). Are you just suggesting the polygamy is what goes agains…
/r/PurplePillDebate16/07/26 08:15 PM
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Combination of women not being able to say no, needing men while men also didn't have the luxury to have a harem. Life was hard, how many men would be able to have a harem back then? The existence of the bottleneck does not suggest a change in what women want like you are suggesting.... MOST scholars believe it's an evolutionary thing that pre-dates the bottleneck, just blaming the patriarchy sounds nice to be able to just blame men, but hypergamy is a natural thing seen in more than just humans…
/r/PurplePillDebate16/07/26 07:00 PM
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No hypergamy just means going for higher than themselves, going for the hottest and tallest is different than being able to end up with them and is something most believe is the natural inclination of women due to only being able to get impregnated by one man at a time and wanting what is seen as the best for the offspring, not something that is the cause of men like you are suggesting. You are placing more importance on a relatively short time period and pretending women's mate selection came f…
/r/PurplePillDebate16/07/26 06:29 PM
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There was no need to control female sexuality, so women could sleep with anyone. Yeah I'm more talking about sleeping with people who they don't want to, not saying they can't sleep with others.... my words were pretty obvious. No, that's only the scholars who focus on recent post Neolithic history. The theories on pre-Neolithic era are different. And judging by the archeological findings, most men prior to grain-based diet was tall and in shape. These scholars do not say that women's taste in m…
/r/PurplePillDebate16/07/26 06:04 PM
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But does any of that suggest women had more choice in the past is what I am suggesting/asking. Like it is crazy to me that you are actually trying to pretend that men basically creating all of society was somehow a negative for women's choice. If you're asking, why in that case women aren't suddenly back to their pre-patriarchal state, then I don't know. Maybe 10k years of patrilinealism fucked up women's natural strategy. Maybe women got domesticated to a point they're just not horny enough now…
/r/PurplePillDebate16/07/26 05:04 PM
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Study after study also shows that women "sleep up", they may marry their equivalent eventually, but that's after some fun https://www.aarp.org/family-relationships/better-looking-people-are-not-having-more-sex/ "Sex: When and How Many: Very physically attractive women are more likely to form exclusive relationships than purely sexual ones, and are less likely to have sexual intercourse within the first week of meeting a partner. Presumably, says McClintock, this difference arises because these wo…
/r/PurplePillDebate16/07/26 03:58 PM
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Are you suggesting as society was built women had LESS choice? Because "no means no" didn't mean as much before that
/r/PurplePillDebate16/07/26 03:55 PM
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There is MGTOW and for the rest they are hoping to find a good 1 out of the bad, this all seems like things people are already doing or common sense why they aren't.
/r/PurplePillDebate15/07/26 11:24 PM
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The difference is that I'm not pro the movement. Just because the movement itself is bad doesn't mean everything they say is bad
/r/PurplePillDebate12/07/26 09:52 PM
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Which is why I consider myself purple pill, RP has the right idea, just not the greatest execution. They also exaggerate to an insane degree like the 80/20 stuff...... Statistically yeah women fuck men more attractive than themselves but it's not as bad as 80/20
/r/PurplePillDebate12/07/26 04:57 PM
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I literally provided statistics backing up my claim, you are just fixated on arguing a strawman. Are you denying that the fact that the more attractvie the man is the more likely he is to have more sexual partners and the opposite is true for women or are you just going to continue arguing against shit I never said?
/r/PurplePillDebate11/07/26 10:04 PM
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My claim is consistent and backed up with statistics, you just want to argue against what you feel instead of what I say. It's Seriously weird, is it too much to ask that you actually argue against what I say instead of a made up strawman? Don't think I am asking for much here Stats show women sleep up....they end up marrying their equivalent, I agree on this point and you are pretending that somehow disproves the former that is simply mathematically true
/r/PurplePillDebate11/07/26 07:08 PM
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Again, strawman My claim was never that they don't end up with their match, you are literally just arguing against shit I never said
/r/PurplePillDebate11/07/26 07:02 PM
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Yeah Andrew tate fans are horrible, my point is that it's less informative since only bad people are going to be fans to start with Your 2nd point was just a whataboutism, why wouldn't I dislike women being hypocritical
/r/PurplePillDebate11/07/26 06:46 PM
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Do you not understand the difference between a fanbase for a horrible person vs just a fanbase being horrible? Again, definitely not basing my opinion on this.... but it was definitely frustrating to see my concerns confirmed about women being hypocritical as hell, not just a little bit, Like living in a different reality bad
/r/PurplePillDebate11/07/26 06:08 PM
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It does not debunk my claim, you are arguing against a strawman. Was my claim that they end up with men out of their league? No ( sleep with men out of their league b4 they commit) How about next time you actually try to argue against what I say instead of what you feel
/r/PurplePillDebate11/07/26 05:41 PM
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Not basing it off of. Also not talking about the women in the show, it's the discussion from the watchers that screams double standards
/r/PurplePillDebate11/07/26 05:37 PM
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Disagree they like it as much as men, but 100% agree that it's because the attractive women are able to find a guy to commit that they want to commit to as well...... the ugly women are trying to bat out of their league
/r/PurplePillDebate11/07/26 05:36 PM
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Not talking about the women in the show, it's the discussion from the watchers that is so terrible
/r/PurplePillDebate11/07/26 05:34 PM
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Nah it's been studied often throughout the years, why are you pretending otherwise?
/r/PurplePillDebate11/07/26 12:34 PM
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Lmao no it's things people/contries have felt the need to judge things b4 in stats..... are you just basing things by what you wish to be true?
/r/PurplePillDebate11/07/26 12:30 PM
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It literally does, are you just hating on anyone that says women like status/money?
/r/PurplePillDebate11/07/26 12:18 PM
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I know I'm biased, but that's why I fixate on logical consistency unlike the average woman in this sub
/r/PurplePillDebate11/07/26 12:14 PM
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Disagree, I'm well aware of my bias tendencies..... I should not be expected to wife up a ho though
/r/PurplePillDebate11/07/26 12:06 PM
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Misrepresenting the stats.... they sleep up statistically, not their match
/r/PurplePillDebate11/07/26 11:59 AM
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What? When did I say men aren't biased or when don't we recognize it? They are less likely to commit to women who sleep around...... very biased Just because they don't end up committing to the women you are arguing for does not negate their relationships
/r/PurplePillDebate11/07/26 11:57 AM
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More or less.... Definitely wasn't my intention, but seeing how absolutely 100% crazy sauce, bias these women were helped me understand that so many women are insanely bias
/r/PurplePillDebate11/07/26 11:49 AM
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No it supports my claim, wtf are you on about?
/r/PurplePillDebate11/07/26 11:45 AM
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Are you assuming that women in general are smarter than this? Because that is not what i have seen personally lol
/r/PurplePillDebate11/07/26 11:44 AM
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No it's supported by it... just because you dislike the data doesn't mean it doesn't exist
/r/PurplePillDebate11/07/26 11:38 AM
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My claim is women "sleep" up while eventually settling for their match ..... the stats 100% agree with me, what are you basing g your disagreement on?
/r/PurplePillDebate11/07/26 11:34 AM
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Yeah they Eventually end up with their match (but go for higher hypergamy)I said as much. Are you suggesting women don't try to secure commitment from more attractive men than themselves or just mad at what I said?
/r/PurplePillDebate11/07/26 11:31 AM
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Lmao no, we are pointing out how the more attractive men are seen as good while they vilify their match...... got into love island recently, God damn are women hypocritical... I'm just telling myself that women in general aren't like this hahahaha
/r/PurplePillDebate11/07/26 11:26 AM
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Statistics show that men sleep around at a higher percentage the more attractive they are, but it's actually the opposite for women where the more attractive they are the less they sleep around....that's hypergamy, you are denying reality Why are you pretending that RP is not based in reality? (100% agree people exaggerate though)
/r/PurplePillDebate11/07/26 11:18 AM
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Depends what you mean, RP definitely just exaggerates things but it tends to be based in reality. https://www.aarp.org/family-relationships/better-looking-people-are-not-having-more-sex/ "Number of Partners: For women, the number of sexual partners decreases as physical attractiveness increases, whereas for men, the number of sexual partners increases with increasing physical attractiveness. Body Type and Sex: The number of sexual partners reported by women is tied to weight, with thinner women …
/r/PurplePillDebate11/07/26 11:05 AM
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YOUR problem is that you are trying to look at it from a certain lense.....RP is supposed to be how things actually play out. Your understanding of sociology seems laughably low
/r/PurplePillDebate11/07/26 10:21 AM
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Yeah a lot of the RP is just exaggerated truths said in an unpleasant way
/r/PurplePillDebate10/07/26 09:34 PM
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Definitely having the most sex, but not nearly as bad as the 80/20 of the RP belief and I wouldn't assume they are sleeping with ugly women in general (i'd never have a shot if they were). More like sexual hypergamy
/r/PurplePillDebate10/07/26 08:28 PM
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I'm not ignoring that, we have talked about that plenty lol. So naturally, the conclusion is that’s exactly the point. If I agreed that these desperate men are trying to hit it and quit it or be in a situationship maybe (heavy emphasis on MAYBE), but I don't It’s in the other guys were able to treat women like shit and you can’t. If having sex and not committing counts, then yeah I can, so your assumption is false
/r/PurplePillDebate10/07/26 07:29 PM
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You are adding "bad treatment" here for some reason without saying what they supposedly want to do to these women...... if I remember correctly even in your thread I said it depends if she is still in her "hoe phase" or not anyways (and then we argued about how you could know that) For the the problem I’m addressing with this particular thread, that’s completely irrelevant. Well you said that I had a grievance with men not being able to treat women like garbage for some reason, but I just disagr…
/r/PurplePillDebate10/07/26 07:10 PM
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So the actual grievance is that women aren’t willing to risk their looks match treating them like shit. That word "risk" is doing a lot of heavy lifting. Yes men generally don't want to date a girl who is treating other guys better than him, I'm sure the same is true vice versa. Again though I'M not trying to date the actual desperate women in this conversation though like you are claiming, I am 100% aware that I am not willing to date ANYTHING. I do however date less than average looking women,…
/r/PurplePillDebate10/07/26 06:23 PM
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No, thats an example So you would take an example as enough evidence to change your mind on something? Because otherwise what's the point? We have people that believe the earth is flat, at no point am I ever arguing that literally no one does/think something so really what is that example showing besides you found someone that thinks this way? Does your Situationship statistics say women are constantly in Situationships or does it say they have been in at least one Situationship? That is a big d…
/r/PurplePillDebate10/07/26 06:03 PM
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Redditors dislike consistency in logic, they prefer to pick and choose based on what serves them best
/r/PurplePillDebate10/07/26 05:21 PM
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😂 Combination of Google and hearing the same baseless arguments A LOT.
/r/PurplePillDebate10/07/26 05:03 PM
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I never said it was men in general Well that group of men in general then, same logic is still applying, going to need a little more than "look at this 1 guy said" like you like to do. again, any evidence that you yourself would accept if I went against an assumption of yours (reasonable right?), otherwise we are just disagreeing here and no reason to drag this part out. Typically after the first time. Based on what? You really think most women who are ok with sleeping with a guy outside of a re…
/r/PurplePillDebate10/07/26 04:51 PM
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Not sure honestly, hard to say. Women do eventually quit doing this (generally) and "settle" so I guess it's a question of how many stop because they figure it out vs how many get tired of it
/r/PurplePillDebate10/07/26 04:34 PM
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You can’t trust guys saying contradicting shit More like "you can't point to one person saying something and pretend it's men in general". Just asking for any type of evidence that you yourself would accept if it went against something you assumed to be true.... that's fair right? And then they stopped because they realize how stupid and unrewarding that is. Eventually, not sure how much just stopped after once like you claim though.... but saying they Eventually stop is something even the RP sa…
/r/PurplePillDebate10/07/26 04:30 PM
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Unless she has sex with him immediately I disagree with this being a common deal-breaker for most desperate men.... if you have evidence to the contrary besides some dude saying so go ahead and post otherwise yeah definitely disagree here (not a deal-breaker for me and I'm not as desperate as a lot of the men) You said it’s because they’re able to get sex from better looking guys without commitment. Again, most women are not doing that They aren't going out looking for casual sex, they are tryin…
/r/PurplePillDebate10/07/26 03:54 PM
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Yes it does, you are saying that the "i'll take anyone" men are the ones that aren't actually willing to date these women, but it's actually the women that aren't willing to because they are busy trying to get commitment from better looking guys than the "I'll take anyone" men.... what part of this is confusing? Those guys wouldn’t have to do that if their looks match was that available for casual sex. The looksmatch are available for casual sex, just with more attractive men. Pretty much any gu…
/r/PurplePillDebate10/07/26 03:38 PM
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Just not true, ugly women actually sleep around more than attractive women.... the issue is they are looking for commitment from men that are better looking than them because they assume that they are the same level just because they can sleep with the guy. https://www.aarp.org/family-relationships/better-looking-people-are-not-having-more-sex/ "Number of Partners: For women, the number of sexual partners decreases as physical attractiveness increases, whereas for men, the number of sexual partn…
/r/PurplePillDebate10/07/26 01:51 PM
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It is, you just don't like the logic I'm using. If the man is choosing to stick around with 1 but not the other, obviously he likes the one he chooses to be with more
/r/PurplePillDebate08/07/26 09:11 PM
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Having feelings would make them stick around, they don't stick around because they don't have feelings for her, not sure why this isn't just obvious to you
/r/PurplePillDebate08/07/26 08:29 PM
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There is a reason that many women are ghosted after putting out, just having sex with a man isn't going to make them like/respect you
/r/PurplePillDebate08/07/26 08:23 PM
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"I haven't seen it so it doesn't exist" I'm sure you have it just didn't really register enough for you to bother remembering, although if you don't want to listen to all the women online saying how much they care you can always ask those around you. The data is from dating sites. Lmfao No it's data that has be studied many times through the years in many countries https://pmc.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/articles/PMC9454610/ "Mate preferences for physical height in humans are observed in both sexes and acr…
/r/PurplePillDebate08/07/26 03:12 PM
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Definitely not just basing this off of online dating, just using it as an example because it exists basically for women. Women are pretty open about this preference and we have tons of data showing how much women care about height..... sure many RP guys overstate it to an insane degree, but pretending that men and women are comparable in this preference is just as insane.
/r/PurplePillDebate08/07/26 01:32 PM
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I am tired of these discussions pretending like men don't EQUALLY like the opposite. Because we honestly don't. Height matters way more to women than men just like money...... not saying it doesn't matter at all but generally the genders place more importance on different things (the men who care a lot tends to be for insecurity reasons) Like yes I have a slight preference for short girls, but it really doesn't matter much and not something I think about when online dating, the height filter on …
/r/PurplePillDebate08/07/26 12:27 PM
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I don't need to be the best and never think about that (especially with the high body count ex's), although now that I am thinking about this I am going back on forth on how much I should care if things were getting serious......... I mean if the feelings are there that should turn it into one of the best right?
/r/PurplePillDebate08/07/26 12:14 PM
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Well then your premise is highly flawed..... where are these things if it's even a slightly common issue with men? If you are just upset that a small minority of men (and women) are horrible people I don't know what to tell you except there will always be outliers and question why you want to pretend there is some issue with men (since you are using a lot of generalizing language)
/r/PurplePillDebate07/07/26 09:47 PM
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From this comment "Victim blaming. Men defending going after young girls. Podcasts for men advocating for it. You can find it all over the Internet " Where the hell are these things unless you are including just liking young adult women?
/r/PurplePillDebate07/07/26 09:40 PM
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Why do women such as yourself keep trying to combine men sleeping with young adult women and people sleeping with kids? It's pretty disturbing that you either don't see a MASSIVE difference or just pretend it's the same for some BS reason
/r/PurplePillDebate07/07/26 09:38 PM
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People complain for a multitude of reasons that can be beneficial..... but of course those aren't generally as good as trying to just fix the problem. I highly doubt even yourself actually adopt this philosophy to the point of never complaining about something when you could be trying to do something about it Why did this opinion even have to be gendered? Feels pretty unnecessary. Men far from have a monopoly on complaining about the other genders standards.
/r/PurplePillDebate06/07/26 03:25 PM
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Kids are forced to eat broccoli, women willingly participate in hookup culture (assumingly due to enjoying sex even with an orgasm gap, although so not surprised you are trying to give women the accountability of children for their actions We do have some, just not great stats (only 1,100 people polled) https://yougov.com/en-us/articles/48492-half-of-18-to-34-aged-americans-have-been-in-a-situationship "Our data reveals a significant familiarity with situationships among Americans, with two in f…
/r/PurplePillDebate02/07/26 11:38 AM
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I was not trying to downplay it, I may not have expressed it the best way but I just agreed with the rich part and started talking about the part I disagreed with. I have 0 issue agreeing with money being important, there is no argument here from me on that front lmao they can't really sleep with a woman less attractive than them if they are already at the bottom Yes, if they are rich, but if they aren't (which most aren't) they can't just go after an ugly girl like an average looking man could …
/r/PurplePillDebate29/06/26 10:48 PM
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That was about guys going for ugly girls, they can't really sleep with a woman less attractive than them if they are already at the bottom is what I was saying..... being rich totally helps lol, won't hear me argue against that. I didn't mention it because I agreed with that part (hence the somewhat agree)
/r/PurplePillDebate29/06/26 09:29 PM
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Can you post more of the quote, not seeing where I said this. Although I'm sure you are just doing some mental gymnastics yet again sigh always the same with you. Can't see me saying having a ton of money wouldn't help. Most men don't have a ton of money would be something I would say though
/r/PurplePillDebate29/06/26 09:13 PM
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Is Saying most men are baseline attractive and saying the men on this sub are baseline attractive the same thing?
/r/PurplePillDebate29/06/26 09:07 PM
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Didn't lie, you just can't read lol (I mentioned it). Men with the most women had the most wealth. I cant believe you spent so much time yelling about fallacies now you have to lie about how powerful money is. Ummm why would I have to do that? What have I argued about money besides it being important to women?
/r/PurplePillDebate29/06/26 08:59 PM
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Ummmm no you didn't. YOU HAVE BEFORE but here.... Congratulations on finding the "before" I mentioned lmao
/r/PurplePillDebate29/06/26 08:57 PM
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You chose to ignore I was talking about baseline attraction Hence, bringing up looks is irrelevant because most of you are not hot enough for pretty privilege. Meaning, your personality is gonna matter alot more. Ummmm no you didn't. You have before but here you are talking about guys in this sub, are you suggesting they are all average looking or expecting me to argue against something you previously said (again) instead of what you just said for some reason? But of course if we just equalize a…
/r/PurplePillDebate29/06/26 08:16 PM
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Why are you still choosing to ignore that being ugly will make the seem like they have worse personalities? Just too obsessed with chad?
/r/PurplePillDebate29/06/26 08:03 PM
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LESS
/r/PurplePillDebate29/06/26 07:43 PM
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No I listened, called bull on your claim it was based on lack of niceness and asked if you had anything to prove it besides "dude trust me". I also pointed out how there are stats that show people are judged as nicer or meaner based on their looks.... you so far usually just ignore what I say and repeat your unsupported claims. Not sure why you think just repeating things you think is somehow an argument for it being true which only bruises that I’m not strong manning because that’s what you’re …
/r/PurplePillDebate29/06/26 06:25 PM
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What part of me saying how it works linearly makes your mind go to this strawman?
/r/PurplePillDebate29/06/26 05:09 PM
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Matters less..... why do you refuse to argue against what I actually say?
/r/PurplePillDebate29/06/26 05:01 PM
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So why are you bringing a pretty privilege when most of you guys don’t have it? 1.Ffs Google linear. 2. Ignoring the opposite end where people are seen as worse for being ugly? Damn you love focusing on Chad even more than RP lol
/r/PurplePillDebate29/06/26 04:58 PM
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I often tell my friends its like micro dosing rage. It feels all adrenaline-y once that slight rage bait feeling is over and also helps stimulate my brain where I feel like I am actually using it I like this description, usually I just say I like arguing, this is better.
/r/PurplePillDebate29/06/26 04:55 PM
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you do realize saying a 5 can't act the same as a 10 isn't disagreeing with what I said right? What part of me saying it's linear makes you want to argue this? Your other claim is that obviously these guys are not being chosen based on their "niceness" but so far all you have to support this is saying "dude trust me" and the stats seem to go against your claim..... you can't even argue against what people say, why should anyone just trust what you say like it's true instead of you actually backi…
/r/PurplePillDebate29/06/26 04:30 PM
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Honestly arguing does tend to make time go by fast for some reason lol
/r/PurplePillDebate29/06/26 04:14 PM
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You’re trying to make the case that personality doesn’t matter and only looks do, No I didn't, stop lying
/r/PurplePillDebate29/06/26 04:13 PM
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Saying this proved I wasnt strawmanning. Most of you are not hot enough to get that type of halo effect. You are implying if a guy is hot enough his personality dont matter. You guys arent hot enough for that. For the millionth time I'm saying it's LINEAR. How is it possible for you to just ignore this over and over again to just argue against a strawman? You need professional help You are also missing how it works the opposite way, I'm sure plenty of the men struggling are ugly enough that they…
/r/PurplePillDebate29/06/26 04:11 PM
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Aren't you only looking at 1 trait? Lol the hypocrisy I mentioned money and game as well, but I chose to focus more on the attraction part since It's so easy to see the correlation between the amount of women the men get and it even includes how it makes people seem better/worse people...... seems like a good reason to focus on it to me. That’s why I keep saying....... Yes you keep saying a strawman, LINEARLY LINEARLY LINEARLY LINEARLY FFS, argue against what I actually say Did they actually sho…
/r/PurplePillDebate29/06/26 04:01 PM
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Generally anyone using an "all" statement is either exaggerating or dumb
/r/PurplePillDebate29/06/26 03:28 PM
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But where are you getting this belief? I have stats showing that linearly the better looking a man is the more women he gets, we have studies that show that people are judged as nicer/meaner based on how attractive/ugly they are (halo effect)..... so your premise runs counter to what we actually know and all we have from you on the matter is "dude trust me" and strawmen. Do you actually have anything to back up your claim or are we supposed to just take your word for it?
/r/PurplePillDebate29/06/26 03:25 PM
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You don't usually need nice-ness so much as to not be an asshole (unless you are chad of course)..... I have continually said the better looking you are the less it matters linearly not that it doesn't matter at all ffs how many times do I need to repeat it, still arguing strawmen lol How shallow is the woman? Because if she’s not impressed by his looks or money, his shit personality will be a massive turn off. I'm talking in generalities, sure some women are going to be different, but on averag…
/r/PurplePillDebate29/06/26 03:07 PM
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No I'm saying how nice you are matters less than other traits. Let's say there are 2 men who are both average looking.... the one with above average money and/or game is going to have a way better chance than if the other guy was just nicer than normal lol Now please try to argue against what I actually said instead of just something you imagine or someone else, IT REALLY SHOULDN'T BE THIS HARD, like it really shouldn't, this is crazy
/r/PurplePillDebate29/06/26 02:44 PM
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When did I ignore this? This is still an example of you strawmanning. I said the thing that usually gets the woman is not niceness/goodness even when the man is average looking.... are you pretending this means I said "it doesn't matter how bad their personality is" I honestly don't know if you are trolling me or just really stubborn with your strawmen because you know you are full of BS otherwise lol
/r/PurplePillDebate29/06/26 02:29 PM
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Do you not understand the difference between not mattering and mattering less? Because you keep arguing against something I didn't say instead of what I did say.
/r/PurplePillDebate29/06/26 02:20 PM
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A lot did, a lot didn't. Are you trying to suggest any guy who believes this is RP? Most men are not hot enough for their personality to not matter. Again with the strawmen, how many times are you going to say this? When did I say they were? What I did say was the better looking they are the less their personality matters. IS IT SO HARD TO ACTUALLY ARGUE AGAINST WHAT I SAY INSTEAD OF THE VOICES IN YOUR HEAD? seriously it shouldn't be like pulling teeth to get you to stop acting like a schizophre…
/r/PurplePillDebate29/06/26 02:13 PM
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Most men don’t bitch about women who date assholes Women wanting the asshole was a stereotype way before RP, if you wanted to specifically talk about RP just say so next time instead of trying to change the argument mid-conversation Now do you actually want to argue about personality vs looks or is your brain just stuck on RP? I have receipts to back up my claim about looks being a defining trait that gets guys girls.... AND YOU DON'T HAVE TO BE A CHAD (of course they get more though). Do you ha…
/r/PurplePillDebate29/06/26 01:49 PM
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Your post is about men, I've talked about men.... you are consistently trying to turn this into a "RP have shit personality though!" Is a strawman.... you get this right?
/r/PurplePillDebate29/06/26 01:36 PM
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Again, actual stats prove you wrong, they clearly show a more linear correlation between looks and the amount of sexual partners men have...... what are you basing your belief on to argue against this? Shit you just wish was true?
/r/PurplePillDebate29/06/26 01:26 PM
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Wtf kind of logic is that? you are literally trying to justify arguing against things I didn't say or believe to me because other people say it? Lol truly the queen of strawmen
/r/PurplePillDebate29/06/26 01:19 PM
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Are we talking about men or red pillers here miss queen of strawmen? And? Get more money or lower your standards. Well yeah, or better looking/game. Same can be said for women complaining about lack of commitment, they need to either lower their standards or level up right? Most of you will never be Chad. Give up on that fantasy. Again miss strawman, why are you trying to pretend it's an all or nothing thing? You are doing the exact same thing as the RP guys you seem to hate so much. Are you den…
/r/PurplePillDebate29/06/26 12:47 PM
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Are we talking about men or red pillers here miss queen of strawmen? And? Get more money or lower your standards. Well yeah, or better looking/game. Same can be said for women complaining about lack of commitment, they need to either lower their standards or level up right? Most of you will never be Chad. Give up on that fantasy. Again miss strawman, why are you trying to pretend it's an all or nothing thing? You are doing the exact same thing as the RP guys you seem to hate so much. Are you den…
/r/PurplePillDebate29/06/26 12:47 PM
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but they still have to have other traits. Thats “I got through the door” attractive. But to suggest that trait is usually niceness/goodness is straight up delusional Most guys have baseline status/money to be seen as a loser. And many have less than that, the women that see baseline as "loser" will be the same ones chasing men out of their league and being used for sex Most guys are not special enough to have their personality go ignored. Most guys don't have a personality bad enough that they n…
/r/PurplePillDebate29/06/26 12:27 PM
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Who Is just talking about chads here? I didn't suggest that ONLY the most attractive guys get women, it's more of a linear thing. You just like to ignore how much a man's appearance (and status/money) affects things because you just want to say that the men struggling are just assholes. Sure, some of course are..... but most fail due to other reasons.
/r/PurplePillDebate28/06/26 11:51 PM
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This isn't a good parallel to the other one since it seems more of a goomba fallacy..... we don't hear much of the men leading with their wallet crying about being seen for their money nearly to the same degree of women leading with their looks doing this
/r/PurplePillDebate28/06/26 09:18 PM
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Nice just world fallacy, the more attractive a man is the more women ge gets, this isn't me just spouting bs I believe as fact like you like to do, this is statistical fact. If you just want to pretend men suck and that's the issue just say that instead of creating a disingenuous scenario about them ignoring good women
/r/PurplePillDebate28/06/26 08:38 PM
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The difference is that men either don't have these "good women" as options.... or they aren't crying about their lack of good options like women do. You keep saying something thinking the more you say it the truer it will be, but it's just utter BS
/r/PurplePillDebate28/06/26 07:32 PM
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I honestly wonder if anyone actually believes the earth is flat but I 100% believe that people aren't the best at picking the best solutions for a myriad of reasons that have nothing to do with a lack or caring. If you do not care about that person, being wrong is inconsequential. Like throwing out the wrong bag of chips or tossing the wrong piece of wood into the fire. Annoying maybe. Inconvenient. But not that important. Kind of ignoring the obvious part where rather they care about the person…
/r/PurplePillDebate27/06/26 10:04 AM
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Weird assumption to make since porn isn't the only thing that is vulgar. Plenty of pick-up lines get right to the point and did not get popular through porn for example. Not sure why you are trying to tie this to porn, but it makes no sense
/r/PurplePillDebate26/06/26 02:14 PM
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You do realize that doesn't mean that guys who are more direct learned this from porn right?
/r/PurplePillDebate26/06/26 02:09 PM
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So you are just assuming their lack of pacing is learned from porn? Weird assumption The thing that romance novels teach Romance novels will just make guys look creepy. Just like you shouldn't learn sex from porn, you shouldn't learn romance from romance novels, neither are usually realistic The first time I had sex with my husband we were 16 and no shock, he had a very fucked view of sex because he was a horny 16 year old who thought sex should look like a porno. That's what I'm basing my exper…
/r/PurplePillDebate26/06/26 02:03 PM
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I'm asking what you are basing your opinion on because I highly doubt you have seen any of that shit said in porn. So is it anything that's vulgar then?
/r/PurplePillDebate26/06/26 01:46 PM
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People disagreeing on what helps society regardless of stats is insanely common. What part of this is escaping you? We do not stop caring about a person bc of their actions. We can stop liking them or trusting them. We can change the way/extent we interact with them. We don't just stop caring. That's not how it works. You saying something that's not true and pretending it's a fact and me disagreeing does not mean something is "escaping me" If a person only cares about a handful of individuals, t…
/r/PurplePillDebate26/06/26 01:44 PM
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It doesn't.... beginning scenes with sexual flirting through text is simply not a porn thing (not saying it's never been done, but definitely can't think of any). Men don't want easy women, they want sex, big difference I'm genuinely asking..... are you basing your opinion on the fact that it's sexual or are you actually watching porn where this shit is said?
/r/PurplePillDebate26/06/26 01:16 PM
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Are you just categorizing all sexual flirting as "porn flirting"? Because "what are you wearing" "you should come over" "netflix and chill" are all things that got popular outside of porn. Pornos tend to not have some flirty scene in the beginning where they are texting or over the phone.... now very suggestive innuendo's could be considered porn flirting
/r/PurplePillDebate26/06/26 01:09 PM
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Movies where people date and hook-up? Lol like "what are you wearing" was literally on a state farm commercial (granted it wasn't in a flirty way, but obviously it was referencing that common question). What pornos start off with people texting "what are you wearing"? You may be confusing sexual flirting in general as porn flirting
/r/PurplePillDebate26/06/26 01:01 PM
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That is stuff you would see in movies not porno..... is there a reason this makes you think "porno"? Can't say I have ever heard this kind of flirting in porn
/r/PurplePillDebate26/06/26 12:48 PM
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Ummm I suppose I qualify (shit ain't easy, that's for sure lol) Who the fuck is trying to flirt like in pornos? I understand imitating the sex, but are your guy friends going around asking women if they ordered the pizza with extra sausage? Lmao I don't read romance novels, but from the little I heard about them they are worse than romance movies and those are bad enough already. This shit doesn't work unless she is already into you, if she isn't, you just seem like a major creep.
/r/PurplePillDebate26/06/26 12:41 PM
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Not saying it is the best solution, just what they believe to be. Caring about her isn't condoning her behavior. If that were the case, parents would stop caring about their kids as soon as they started acting up. I didn't say it was, I said just because someone doesn't care about her specifically (due to her actions and who she is as a person) wouldn't mean they don't care about women in general right? I feel the same way about the idea that a person who hurts others for fun and profit cares ab…
/r/PurplePillDebate26/06/26 12:37 AM
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Caring about men and caring about every man are 2 different things though.... this doesn't seem to be a lack of caring due to gender, this is what they see as best for criminals regardless of gender. Like just because you care about women doesn't mean if you have to care that some woman who is a nazi that hurts others gets punched right? Especially if you somehow benefit from it? Someone could buy you lunch, compliment your shirt, and then watch someone torture you and eat popcorn. Do they care …
/r/PurplePillDebate26/06/26 12:07 AM
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Not sure how you see women generalizing men as a case by case basis but going to have to agree to disagree here
/r/PurplePillDebate25/06/26 11:56 PM
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I dunno, maybe he is a simp, maybe the relationship is better than it looks, maybe they are secret agents here to take down America, how the fuck should I know :p
/r/PurplePillDebate25/06/26 11:19 PM
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You can't go around clowning on other men and their relationships and then turn around and complain when the same happens to you. That's just free game right there, karma be karma-ing He is free to not care about what other people think and people are free to clown on him Same thing if this happen to a woman and the men turned out to be a sleeping with a bunch of women in his past, women tolerate it, men should as well. Just because women don't care about something doesn't mean a man shouldn't..…
/r/PurplePillDebate25/06/26 11:15 PM
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False equivalency, of course it would raise questions if it was specifically only 1 gender when both seem applicable..... you would have a point if they cared about female prisoners but not the men (although caring more about women would hardly be that surprising) or something like that. Say there are 3 universes. In one, I don't care about men. In another, I care, but I don't do anything with it. In the last, I care, and I act like it as much as I can manage. The only one you'd be able to ident…
/r/PurplePillDebate25/06/26 11:08 PM
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warning: most of this information i'm just trying to recollect from a few youtube videos from Aba and Preach He often made fun of other guys about their relationships and would mention how his girl was a virgin. Pretty much all of the videos of them he seems like a simp and she seems disgusted by his touch (she claims she feels uncomfortable about PDA) and her admitted love of nice things and that being her love language doesn't help. A lot of it is just using her to clown on Akaash so it's kind…
/r/PurplePillDebate25/06/26 10:56 PM
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Are you denying that it's usually used against men in general? I don't understand why you are pretending this is some case by case saying
/r/PurplePillDebate25/06/26 10:13 PM
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No the issue here is you conflating not caring for a specific group of people (or at least caring less than for the rest of society) as the same as not caring about an entire sex. Although of course you can hurt someone for personal gain and still care about them.... people do it all the time (like cheating or stealing). Shitty thing to do, but also a pretty common one, just means they care about themselves a lot more.
/r/PurplePillDebate25/06/26 10:05 PM
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Doesn't mean either is right or wrong, just means they have unique experiences. Ignoring that part of the problem is them not accurately representing their experiences (like many attractive women are saying how men don't want relationships, but obviously it's just not the men they want) Your lived experience can indeed be right or wrong in a general sense. Makes the mistake more understandable, but it does not change reality. What is the alternative? Forcing women to do the same so they settle f…
/r/PurplePillDebate25/06/26 09:40 PM
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What narrative exactly? I just said, things like "the bar is on the floor" and the less popular one saying that men in general don't want a GF and are just sleeping around. No one is asking men to actively go against their interests. A lot would just rather avoid relationships at all, and I'd rather them be upfront about this and say they're just trying to sleep around so women can avoid them, You are literally saying they should do something so that they don't get what they want lol I can agree…
/r/PurplePillDebate25/06/26 09:21 PM
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I'm not saying specifically to me, it's not like they are specifically telling me things like "the bar is on the floor", I just want things like that narrative to become a lot less popular. Unless women are willing to be "housewives" or willing to let their men cheat openly, men are very skeptical to commitment Pretty small minority of men are looking for women to cheat openly or being housewives (sure many may have this dream, but the majority of men do not want a housewife because they can't a…
/r/PurplePillDebate25/06/26 08:47 PM
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Oh I agree. I just dislike when people try and pretend this isn't what is happening. So many women want to pretend men are just against commitment and say shit like "the bar is on the floor" instead of admitting it's not "men" it's the ones they are going for. I mean sure hopefully letting someone know how rare a guy over 6ft is may make them alter their standards a bit, but at the end of the day what is most important is just being honest about what is going on in general so people can choose f…
/r/PurplePillDebate25/06/26 08:19 PM
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Oh most definitely. Men: can't get laid? Level up! Women: can't get that commitment? If you don't want to settle, level up!
/r/PurplePillDebate25/06/26 07:57 PM
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Unless you are suggesting women being willing to "throw away" nazi rapists as proof of women not caring about men, you are spouting BS.
/r/PurplePillDebate25/06/26 07:45 PM
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Hey I was just correcting you, get over it Already upping my worth since I don't want to settle for most of the women I have slept with (my standards tend to be pretty damn low for casual)
/r/PurplePillDebate25/06/26 07:43 PM
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I'm not redefining anything.... you are trying to equate a difference in belief of what works as a difference in caring
/r/PurplePillDebate25/06/26 07:40 PM
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That it's a difference in believing what works, not a lack of caring. If they truly believed reform worked best why would a lack of caring make them go against it?
/r/PurplePillDebate25/06/26 07:37 PM
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I'm already older than 35, so no :p
/r/PurplePillDebate25/06/26 07:35 PM
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Have I made the claim women don't care about any issues that affect men? You can just not argue against strawmen you know, what is the purpose? just like men don’t care about preventing men from going down a violent felon path. Misrepresenting men caring about society as a whole more than criminals? (Not saying they are going about it the best way)
/r/PurplePillDebate25/06/26 07:30 PM
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Difference is that we are actually talking about them not caring about issues, not specifically a certain group of men. You just like to pretend the issues don't exist..... makes it a lot easier to not care about I bet
/r/PurplePillDebate25/06/26 07:22 PM
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It's showing they don't care about THOSE men. By your logic if women don't care about male nazi rapists then they don't care about men in general. Ffs your logic is insane
/r/PurplePillDebate25/06/26 07:19 PM
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There's no logical reason to do something that doesn't work and causes more issues. If ony our issues were that easy politics would be easy
/r/PurplePillDebate25/06/26 07:17 PM
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No I didn't say ONLY..... I was saying of course they care that you ignore their issues, what else would you expect
/r/PurplePillDebate25/06/26 07:15 PM
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Why do you keep making things up? I didn't support that, I explained their viewpoint..... do you just have a problem at viewing things from someone else's perspective that you disagree with?
/r/PurplePillDebate25/06/26 07:14 PM
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Not what I said
/r/PurplePillDebate25/06/26 07:11 PM
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Just because you pretend an issue doesn't exist doesn't make it true.
/r/PurplePillDebate25/06/26 07:10 PM
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You’re accidentally proving my point that men don’t care that much about men. I know from your POV it seems that way, I'm trying to explain the difference, but you just don't seem to get it. Right or wrong they believe it's best for society, that isn't a lack of caring about men (can argue a lack of caring about that specific group of men, but not men as a whole). This also is related to how stereotypically men like to believe themselves to be the one's to "make the hard decisions".
/r/PurplePillDebate25/06/26 07:09 PM
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We could say the same for most of women's issues by this logic. But you were the one that brought up pressure to be masculine.... if you were just going to go to "just ignore it" I don't know why you even bother to bring it up. Is it really that guys here are upset that women don’t care about issues men bring up Yes
/r/PurplePillDebate25/06/26 07:04 PM
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Things like prison reform shows more about a difference in logic, not about who cares about men's issues more. Both genders seem to care more when things hurt women than men (partly due to viewing women as weaker and more vulnerable, but doesn't stop it from being true.)
/r/PurplePillDebate25/06/26 07:01 PM
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How do we know what someone cares about? This is a good question with many subjective answers (on a more personal level we can definitely see how people react when men/women issues are brought up) but I wouldn't say that men and women thinking differently about things like prison reform showing this as it's more likely due to a difference in logic than caring.
/r/PurplePillDebate25/06/26 06:57 PM
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No, by my logic they shouldn't have that pressure (for the most part, i do enjoy encouraging masculinity) not that it doesn't exist (I said "why shouldn't someone be chill"). Also that's just be looking at that pressure from men while it also comes from women. Of course not every guy is going to cave into that pressure but this would be like looking at the obesity rates of women and claiming they don't suffer any pressure about beauty standards
/r/PurplePillDebate25/06/26 06:52 PM
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I was presented with facts that argued against a strawman, I know that is your favorite thing in the world but there wasn't any facts that argued against my claim or supported yours
/r/PurplePillDebate25/06/26 06:41 PM
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Correction, men that can get above average women doesn't want to commit to average women. Average men are fine with committing to average women but that's kind of hard to do when they are busy sleeping with more attractive men and chasing commitment from them https://www.aarp.org/family-relationships/better-looking-people-are-not-having-more-sex/ "Sex: When and How Many: Very physically attractive women are more likely to form exclusive relationships than purely sexual ones, and are less likely …
/r/PurplePillDebate25/06/26 06:39 PM
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When the fuck did I say that? I just said women don't care more about men's issues than men...... maybe by your logic that would make women evil and cold, but that sounds like some weird logic to me (never went against any facts, just saying they don't show what the person was suggesting they show)
/r/PurplePillDebate25/06/26 06:34 PM
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None of this sounds like a refusal to support men or anything like that.... women are more likely to be for social programs. like with prison reform men tend to focus on punishment and women more on reformation. I may agree more with the reformation thing, but I think you trying to pretend this means women care more about men's issues is disingenuous at best
/r/PurplePillDebate25/06/26 06:21 PM
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Are these male specific issues? Otherwise what's your point?
/r/PurplePillDebate25/06/26 05:54 PM
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Wtf are you babbling about lol
/r/PurplePillDebate25/06/26 02:36 PM
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I would say it depends on the trauma, but generally yeah if men love masculinity so much, why are they really chill when men are super feminine? Uhhh I'm not sure I get what you mean. Why shouldn't you be chill just because someone doesn't live up to something you like?
/r/PurplePillDebate25/06/26 02:13 PM
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Masculine just means things that are traditionally associated with men..... so by definition if most men were doing this then it's masculine, if most women were doing this (or more than men) that would make it feminine, but then why focus on the fact that a minority of men also do this? (Can't expect ALL men to behave a certain way)
/r/PurplePillDebate25/06/26 02:01 PM
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Eh sounded different when you said "men don't care about men not caring", but if it's about your premise of men not actually suffering and doing some cosplay then I'm not really going to get into some long argument against that because me and you will 100% not agree and I can't think of any proof I could show to back up my hypothesis of it being the other way around..... so many women make their trauma their personality and this has definitely gotten a lot of women overplaying their issues and o…
/r/PurplePillDebate25/06/26 01:30 PM
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He didn't specify gender, are you suggesting women care more about the suffering of men or just purposely focusing on men not caring for some misandrist reason?
/r/PurplePillDebate25/06/26 01:14 PM
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Well "blame" is a strong word, but I would argue that pointing out that men will be more likely to "sleep down" than "date down" is important in this kind of conversation. Not saying this is the case for you since I don't know you and dating apps are a bit different than IRL dating, but is quite often the case imo (I have been that guy. But I definitely try and put in a little more effort than most of those messages lol)
/r/PurplePillDebate23/06/26 06:27 PM
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They usually don't PREFER bad boys, it's just not a deterrent. Just work on yourself and try to become in better shape with a good job..... will help (emphasis on only HELPING, not a guarantee) with getting women and just improve your life even if it doesn't. YOU CAN'T RELY ON A JUST WORLD FALLACY.
/r/PurplePillDebate21/06/26 06:32 PM
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You seem to be missing the point or playing dumb You said "yeah, because women don't make X post" (as justification for double standards for posts like this) Me: "this isn't an X post" You: "yeah but it's a Y post which is close enough" Me: "well women make Y posts all the time as well" You: "but they don't make X posts" Strawmanning so hard here
/r/PurplePillDebate21/06/26 06:27 PM
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Again, this one isn't about women not fucking OP lol
/r/PurplePillDebate20/06/26 01:20 AM
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Well that is a different thing than you claimed.many women will make posts about guys standards, hell we have Lilith constantly making posts and trying to pretend guys are only going after shitty women..... are you going to pretend that it's somehow different when women do it or going to ignore their existence?
/r/PurplePillDebate19/06/26 11:58 PM
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Is this a "women won't fuck me" post?
/r/PurplePillDebate19/06/26 07:51 PM
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I didn't say it was off-topic (although even if it was why would that mean i can't/ shouldn't engage with it), I was just pointing out you using a double-standard, AGAIN. I don't understand how you could think I was being off-topic without thinking you were also off-topic (and if so why would me doing it be bad if you are) Also I know whatever answer I give to you (unless it’s the one you want to hear/ it aligns with your agenda) it will never be good enough so why bother? Good enough for what? …
/r/PurplePillDebate19/06/26 06:47 PM
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How is it any less off topic than your comment? OP talked about women's views on bi men and you turned that into women's standards in general...... so how exactly is me adding women (for contrast) off topic, but you aren't? Doesn't make any sense It’s not based on gender 🙄 See what I mean about you trying to start something when there is nothing there. What I see is me asking you why something like this would interest you more than when women do it and you just avoiding the question.... I mean I…
/r/PurplePillDebate19/06/26 06:27 PM
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If what issues "interest" you enough to argue about is based off a person's gender then you are the one that sounds like they have an agenda
/r/PurplePillDebate19/06/26 06:12 PM
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Who says I don't? It’s unrealistic to expect everyone to respond to every topic under the Sun. Who said every topic? We are talking about the same topic here just changing the gender. Is there a reason you are more interested in a guy pointing out a standard women have about bi men than one about men's standards for things like weight/age/body-count?
/r/PurplePillDebate19/06/26 05:29 PM
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Disagree, it adds much needed context to the conversation to see if people act differently based on gender and why
/r/PurplePillDebate19/06/26 05:19 PM
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Fine "possible" double standard, point still stands that it's funny you find me asking annoying....... personally I think it's an important part of any conversation about things like this (whataboutisms definitely aren't though) literally nobody in our conversation was even talking about the OP’s original point. You asked why someone might not have a problem with their gender complaining about dating, but be annoyed by another gender complaining. I actually dont think I’ve even mentioned bisexua…
/r/PurplePillDebate19/06/26 05:13 PM
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I'm sure you do see people pointing out double standards as annoying as fuck (different than a whataboutism btw), not the least bit surprised on that 1 When you’re complaining about your desired sex not dating you because of xyz Literally the first sentence OP is saying that women don't need to date bi men and he isn't bi himself lol
/r/PurplePillDebate19/06/26 04:49 PM
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But I don't disagree with the argument that you can't force attraction so why would I? Like how you made an assumption instead of engaging with her initial comment. The difference is that yes I had an assumption in my mind since yes that is a pretty human thing to do, but instead of just pretending my assumption is correct to argue something I just flat out asked her.... unlike you, understand the difference? because it’s not their fucking business lmao. I mean, they literally get nothing out of…
/r/PurplePillDebate19/06/26 04:34 PM
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But do you go out of your way to tell women this when they are talking against what men like is the question
/r/PurplePillDebate19/06/26 04:21 PM
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How is me asking if you act the same regardless of if it's a man or woman doing it "derailing the conversation"?
/r/PurplePillDebate19/06/26 04:20 PM
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and anyways who’s even to say she doesn’t tell other women the same thing? like i love reddit because we all lowk just be saying bullshit assumptions based on whatever narrative we’re trying to push Lmao you started that, I told her I hope she keeps the same energy and then you came in with the BS assumption because she has no incentive......women don’t really need any convincing because hardly any men irl care that you’ve had casual sex in the past While I disagree that was just 1 of the exampl…
/r/PurplePillDebate19/06/26 03:59 PM
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For the same reason why she did it here? Why do you think it shouldn't be the same? This is why I said "keep the same energy" instead of just thinking the same thing. so your fantasy of her being triggered by body count discourse is probably just a fantasy. Now this is just a fantasy of yours. I was just using another common example that I forgot when I mentioned weight and age.
/r/PurplePillDebate19/06/26 03:45 PM
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I highly doubt that when she sees posts/comments by women talking about how guys shouldn't care about something like body count she goes out of her way to tell them how they shouldn't care and to just let men be attracted to what they want...... but hey I would love to be wrong
/r/PurplePillDebate19/06/26 03:26 PM
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Hopefully you keep this same energy when women are telling men what they should and should not be attracted to because this seems to happen far more often (2 biggest complaints currently would be weight and age)
/r/PurplePillDebate19/06/26 02:51 PM
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Personally? I'm a chubby chaser with low as hell standards so yeah I suppose so. Plus there are plenty of average and ugly men, not understanding why you think men shouldn't care
/r/PurplePillDebate18/06/26 03:51 PM
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Is Lilith actually going to try and make the men here believe that there aren't plenty Of below average and fat/ugly girls doing the same? Ignore your eyes men! You must conform to the narrative that anything unflattering that women do has to be a minority being propped up by men..... alway remember, MEN BAD!!!!
/r/PurplePillDebate18/06/26 03:47 PM
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"Men shouldn't do this because it will end bad for them" gives examples of it seemingly helping them get laid and into relationships Ummmmm I feel like the title and the examples don't really match
/r/PurplePillDebate18/06/26 02:32 PM
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Well it would be a nice change of pace over all the bi women choosing men. Good luck with your choice
/r/PurplePillDebate18/06/26 08:58 AM
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And depends on how often and context...... like objectifyng a pornstar is a bit different than objectifyng the women you are dating It’s more than just reddit...... True I’m the type that gets turned on by turning my....... And he thanked me for being the only sexual partner he ever had that didn’t make him feel like it was an obligation. That I actually wanted to be there. That I was enjoying myself. That made me really sad to hear. Oof yeah that 1 tends to hurt, I was kind of thinking about th…
/r/PurplePillDebate17/06/26 01:07 PM
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I still highly doubt the majority of men that said they would prefer being lusted after over their personality being desired admitted to viewing women as objects. I also think we use the same words but have different meanings for those words. Which is one of the biggest issues I see in a lot of “us vs them” situations. Sadly a reddit issue in general, I tend to post the definitions of words quite often lol I know men also want to feel special. It’s that different worlds thing. If I were to sleep…
/r/PurplePillDebate17/06/26 12:38 PM
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How many men have you asked that straight up just said they view women as objects? That sounds highly unlikely to be the usual response.... I don't view women as objects but would prefer being wanted for my body more than personality for instance. Women aren't the only ones that want to feel special lol, it's one of the reasons why some guys complain about women that will make them wait before sleeping with them but didn't make other guys wait. It's just other guys have given up on being seen as…
/r/PurplePillDebate17/06/26 12:12 PM
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I'm not saying you said all men, but you are indeed implying all men that would want to be used as an object view women as objects..... There are plenty of men that would love to be seen as an object. Because that’s what they view most women as That's pretty presumptuous wouldn't you say? That is NOT "using their own words" They don’t think about them when they complain. I’m obese. When those men say they’ll have sex with anyone it’s not true. They leave out the part “unless she fat” or old, or …
/r/PurplePillDebate17/06/26 11:45 AM
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1st of all is that something that all men who would be ok with being used have said or are you just using the existence of some of them that think like this to paint them all like this? 2nd so you see men craving validation they aren't getting and make the assumption that they must view women as objects? That's a stretch to say the least..... with your experience with your ex I would assume you would understand a little more, yeah feeling unwanted like that sucks and is a perfect example of why …
/r/PurplePillDebate17/06/26 11:19 AM
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That's a BS attempt to dismiss their feelings and wants by assuming they are sexist assholes for no reason
/r/PurplePillDebate17/06/26 11:04 AM
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Hey that's more sex than a lot of marriages have (a quick Google search says about 1/5 have sex less than 10 times a year). Sure being used when you want more can suck, but that doesn't negate the fact that there are plenty of people that wish they had that option right?
/r/PurplePillDebate17/06/26 10:47 AM
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Oh so you 2 did sleep together he just usually said no or only did it the 1 time? I can agree with not dating someone you aren't attracted to (although also done that a few times), but I don't see a reason to not sleep with the woman (responsibly)
/r/PurplePillDebate17/06/26 10:37 AM
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Ok and? Not only does dating someone due to liking your personality sound different than dating someone due to no better options but your anecdotal experience is different than my anecdotal experience so what Is the argument here? Yeah without sex I wouldn't be happy in that relationship either
/r/PurplePillDebate17/06/26 10:28 AM
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Lol spoken like a woman.... I have indeed slept with multiple women that I was not attracted to. Granted this is no long term solution, but sometimes a drought needs to be over.
/r/PurplePillDebate17/06/26 10:13 AM
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"Want to" and "willing to" are 2 separate things
/r/PurplePillDebate17/06/26 08:28 AM
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Guilty of actually knowing what words mean? Yeah you got me
/r/PurplePillDebate15/06/26 08:03 PM
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Basically people just need a way to feel physically desired at some point in their life right? Yeah I suppose I would agree
/r/PurplePillDebate14/06/26 07:00 PM
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No I don't, but I also wouldn't view the jobs as morally bad without $$$ involved that's the difference....... you are claiming something is morally bad, but because money is involved it stops being bad? That makes no sense. A hit-man getting paid doesn't magically make killing ok for example. YOUR morality is inconsistent
/r/PurplePillDebate14/06/26 07:15 AM
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While I agree they should, are you just going to assume that the men calling out a woman's misandry wouldn't also call out a man's or just going to decide on a person be person basis with evidence? Because one sounds understandable, the other just sounds like an excuse to ignore misandry from women
/r/PurplePillDebate13/06/26 04:36 PM
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I don't think you get to decide what right they do or don't have lol
/r/PurplePillDebate13/06/26 04:25 PM
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Often, but not usually. The sex of the speaker is going to influence the comments for both men and women, just how it is.
/r/PurplePillDebate13/06/26 04:23 PM
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And I mean that’s fine for ur relationship but it seems like u wanted to do those things rather than feeling like u had to or just wanting to get it done with. Oh no, sometimes I definitely just wanted to get done with it...... personally I'm of the belief that if you only do things that are bringing you pleasure in some way that it's selfish (different than saying you should just do things that you don't want to do to please your partner). Women generally seem to agree as well since they aren’t…
/r/PurplePillDebate13/06/26 04:19 PM
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That many men agree with what blue haired feminists say about male nature but only get mad when women say it. Even if your premise was that men call out when women say it more often that doesn't mean that those that aren't doing it when guys say it agree with them. Women are far more likely to take more offense when a man says something negative about women than when a women does it as well..... doesn't mean they agree when the woman does it, just upsets them less
/r/PurplePillDebate13/06/26 04:13 PM
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Yes plenty of men call out people like Andrew tate, I like watching the youtubers aba and preach for example who call out crazy feminists and RP bros. Are there also men who only do it towards feminists? Sure, but unless you are suggesting there's aren't also women doing the same thing..... what's your point?
/r/PurplePillDebate13/06/26 03:56 PM
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Depends what you mean by partner and what you mean by enthusiastic, I have certainly done things just to please my partner for example (little pro quo) and see nothing wrong with that. Prostitution is not at all the same. That refers to a job and a line of work rather than just an act. But if we are talking about unenthusiastic sex this is very relevant, why would the inclusion of money make it somehow different?
/r/PurplePillDebate13/06/26 03:52 PM
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Yeah it couldn't possibly be because you are mistaken /s I’d just ask why someone would feel comfortable repetitively asking or taking an enthusiastic yes. They are horny and either don't see it as harming someone or don't care. Like I brought up prostitution.... no rape or even sexual assault going on here, but I certainly don't think the prostitute is enthusiastically having sex and I also don't place the payer in the same category as rapists
/r/PurplePillDebate13/06/26 03:21 PM
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Neither of those are arguing your claim that asking a lot is rape..... the 1st one seems to be just about force, yeah you can't make them "drink the tea" but no where did they suggest you can't bug them about it, why even post it?
/r/PurplePillDebate13/06/26 03:00 PM
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Possible? Sure, but doubt it..... again, considering that even catcalling can be considered sexual assault the 2 should not be used interchangeably. but I can find some other sources if you’d like I mean yeah, 1 source supporting your claim would definitely be preferable to none lol
/r/PurplePillDebate13/06/26 02:46 PM
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I already posted it, they call it sexual assault, not rape. When even catcalling can be considered sexual assault I have to highly disagree with pretending it's basically the same as rape
/r/PurplePillDebate13/06/26 02:42 PM
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like I said already yes continually asking CAN be done in a coercive way, but even the article itself isn't suggesting that asking multiple times is always coercive..... very important distinction. And even the article isn't claiming this is rape even in that scenario like you suggested, you are literally using an article that disagrees with you lmfao
/r/PurplePillDebate13/06/26 02:39 PM
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Who is denying that a lot of people in the RP-sphere has fucked up beliefs? Just saying those beliefs you mentioned aren't core tenets or anything and you are claiming a hypocrisy but your examples just seem like a goomba fallacy
/r/PurplePillDebate13/06/26 02:35 PM
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No link? I wonder why..... think I found where you are getting it from and you seem to be intentionally misrepresenting it https://www.medicalnewstoday.com/articles/sexual-coercion "Sexual coercion is when a person pressures, tricks, threatens, or manipulates someone into sex. It is a type of sexual assault because even if someone says yes, they are not giving their consent freely." Even your own source isn't calling it rape lmfao (or asking more than once).
/r/PurplePillDebate13/06/26 02:31 PM
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Still not posting anything to backup your claim of asking multiple times is rape?
/r/PurplePillDebate13/06/26 02:24 PM
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I did answer, that's what THOSE men believe, this isn't a RP pillar belief or anything. Goomba fallacy
/r/PurplePillDebate13/06/26 02:23 PM
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I'm literally not seeing it, are you sure you did? And can you link where they are suggesting rape includes asking multiple times? The intimidation COULD, that doesn't mean that asking multiple times is coercion "Think the definition ur referring to may not be talking about coercion within the context of sex." It's the definition of the word coercion in general lol, it's literally what the word means
/r/PurplePillDebate13/06/26 02:21 PM
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But are these the same men that have a problem when blue haired feminists say it? That's the goomba part here
/r/PurplePillDebate13/06/26 02:17 PM
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You are probably missing some nuance or looking at a goomba fallacy (judging by past interactions). Although sure, some people are just biased hypocrites but nothing special about men/RP they are in every group
/r/PurplePillDebate13/06/26 02:15 PM
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Probably because they disagree with something the blue haired feminist is saying..... what's complicated about this?
/r/PurplePillDebate13/06/26 02:10 PM
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Because you are trying to moralize being ok with having sex with a partner who isn't enthusiastic to have sex as similar to rape...... prostitution is a scenario where the person getting paid is usually not enthusiastically having sex but I don't view the person paying as even in the same ballpark as a rapist the fact is coercion is rape and what I’ve been mentioning is coercion You keep saying that but refuse to tell me where you are getting this definition that would include stupid things like…
/r/PurplePillDebate13/06/26 02:09 PM
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Doesn't sound accidental, RP is supposed to be about accepting unpleasant reality which includes anti male stuff. Accepting that men and women are going to be better or worse in different areas shouldn't even be a RP or BP thing
/r/PurplePillDebate13/06/26 02:02 PM
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Yes, doesn't mean I'm going to claim rape against guys that don't get that (like prostitution for example). Just proving more that it's just something you dislike and not that it's rape
/r/PurplePillDebate13/06/26 01:48 PM
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Again where are you getting this definition from? I'm literally looking up the definition here lmao The vast majority just say using threat or force, closest I got to something else was saying to "compel" which does not mean asking more than once. You are the one that doesn't know the definition here, if you thought me not knowing would be concerning I hope you feel the same once you realize how you had this false belief for who knows how many years
/r/PurplePillDebate13/06/26 01:46 PM
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Where are you getting that information from? I just looked up the definition it it does indeed seem to be about stuff like threats and force..... not asking more than once What you are describing isn't rape, just something you dislike.
/r/PurplePillDebate13/06/26 01:32 PM
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Cool so I point out how your "evidence" is bs and you just respond with "so? I still believe I'm right"
/r/PurplePillDebate13/06/26 11:52 AM
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Men being more likely to commit sexual crimes doe not equate to men being the main ones with a faulty sense of rape or a gender superiority complex. Even in this sub so far the only culprit we see of this is a woman with a gender superiority complex against men. Your whole premise is faulty and sexist Edit: even in this post (not sub)
/r/PurplePillDebate13/06/26 11:43 AM
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The argument is you are pretending these are male exclusive things that are done against women but they clearly are not.
/r/PurplePillDebate13/06/26 11:37 AM
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In the UK women legally can't rape a man still and I believe many states use to be this way.... you also just heard a woman say that women are better and you didn't bat an eye Having a faulty sense of rape is 100% not exclusive to when women are the victim and women are guilty of this as well. Thinking less of another gender is also not exclusive to men. You just only care when things are against women and it's blinding you
/r/PurplePillDebate13/06/26 11:22 AM
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"Men don't know what rape is only the alley scenario" only other example given is coercion which usually is through threat or force "You want sex have gay sex, because apparently sexuality doesn't matter" Yeah lemon gecko I don't know what you were trying to do with this post lol. You also complain about your perception of men thinking they are better but so far only one comment straight up thinks their gender is better and you just say "you mostly agree with me".... apparently you don't think w…
/r/PurplePillDebate13/06/26 11:09 AM
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You are saying she is including things where she goes out of her way to show she isn't..... she asked people to rate attractiveness, and yes she also measured BMI and talks about the connection between the 2 but THIS DOES NOT MEAN SHE PERSONALLY RATED PEOPLE BASED OFF THESE THINGS. You can't be doing this while simultaneously suggesting I'm the one who doesn't understand And OMG 2 people on reddit disagree with me I must be wrong /s
/r/PurplePillDebate12/06/26 08:11 PM
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Show
/r/PurplePillDebate12/06/26 07:57 PM
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Please show me where she said anything that negates my claim.... ffs it shouldn't be that hard if it exists
/r/PurplePillDebate12/06/26 07:55 PM
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Unless missbroberts is your alternate I don't think you have actually quoted anything....
/r/PurplePillDebate12/06/26 07:54 PM
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No she measured more things than just physical attractiveness influence on number of sexual partners, you were quoting a different thing she noticed during the study...... why would other things also existing negate her study clearly showing that less attractive women have more partners on average?
/r/PurplePillDebate12/06/26 07:50 PM
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By reasonable I basically mean in good faith...... if even after getting the study you are misrepresenting things to try and pretend it doesn't literally say what I suggested (yes also says other things) then it isn't in good faith. You are showing you never cared about the stats, you just want an excuse to dismiss it
/r/PurplePillDebate12/06/26 07:47 PM
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Again, yes she also measured other things...... but this doesn't change the fact that just going off of the physical attractiveness it showed that more attractive women had less partners "Table 2 also shows that for women, the number of sexual partners decreases monotonically with increasing physical attractiveness.......For women, the number of reported partners ALSO decreases with BMI:" She wasn't even specifically including BMI in this (obviously it would affect in how attractive people are r…
/r/PurplePillDebate12/06/26 07:45 PM
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I agree asking for stats is perfectly reasonable as long as you are going to be reasonable once they are shown..... if you aren't you don't actually care about the stats, just didn't like what I was saying
/r/PurplePillDebate12/06/26 07:38 PM
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Yeah she measured multiple things..... does this somehow negate the fact that for women the more attractive she was showed less sexual partners on average? (Shown in table 2)
/r/PurplePillDebate12/06/26 07:37 PM
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I said "stats show" the stats do indeed show.... where is the issue?
/r/PurplePillDebate12/06/26 07:35 PM
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Lol you just dislike reality.... you said she measured physical attractiveness by including things like socioeconomic status and I showed that to not be true You just don't like what the study shows, just admit it
/r/PurplePillDebate12/06/26 07:31 PM
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"Table 2 also shows that for women, the number of sexual partners decreases monotonically with increasing physical attractiveness, whereas for men the number of sexualpartners increases monotonically with increasing physical attractiveness. For women, thenumber of reported partners also decreases with BMI: Thinner women report fewer partners. Thinness is a dimension of attractiveness for women, so this pattern is consistentwith the finding that more attractive women report fewer sexual"
/r/PurplePillDebate12/06/26 07:28 PM
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I feel like you don't always need this level of "proof" to believe everything and are placing a higher burden on this particular issue for some reason
/r/PurplePillDebate12/06/26 07:28 PM
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No it doesn't... again there were multiple points she was observing "Physical Attractiveness. The interviewer rated the respondents’ physical attractiveness ona five-point scale from “Very Unattractive” (1) to “Very Attractive” (5). Though it would be better to have the average of several observers’ ratings, prior studies report consistent evaluations of attractiveness between raters" She lays it all out, im not sure why you are so desperate to pretend otherwise I think you are talking about tab…
/r/PurplePillDebate12/06/26 07:26 PM
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Already replied, you misunderstood.... it does indeed show what I suggested "Table 2 also shows that for women, the number of sexual partners decreases monotonically with increasing physical attractiveness, whereas for men the number of sexualpartners increases monotonically with increasing physical attractiveness. For women, thenumber of reported partners also decreases with BMI: Thinner women report fewer partners. Thinness is a dimension of attractiveness for women, so this pattern is consist…
/r/PurplePillDebate12/06/26 07:17 PM
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Usually they just go silent lol...... the issue was never about evidence, just didn't like what it said
/r/PurplePillDebate12/06/26 07:16 PM
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I think you misunderstood something, she does measure those things but that doesn't mean she didn't also just compare physical attractiveness and the amount of sex ..... you can measure multiple things in one study "Table 2 also shows that for women, the number of sexual partners decreases monotonically with increasing physical attractiveness, whereas for men the number of sexual partners increases monotonically with increasing physical attractiveness. For women, thenumber of reported partners a…
/r/PurplePillDebate12/06/26 07:14 PM
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What do you mean "claims I don't know"? There are multiple articles that reference it, are you Arguing against it for a particular reason or just Don't like it?
/r/PurplePillDebate12/06/26 05:58 PM
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Ok this is far as I'm googling lol, if you don't want to believe it I'm sure that's by choice https://pubmed.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/22329089/ https://www.tandfonline.com/doi/full/10.1080/19485565.2011.615172
/r/PurplePillDebate12/06/26 05:53 PM
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https://www.aarp.org/family-relationships/better-looking-people-are-not-having-more-sex/ It shouldn't be surprising, yes men will "date down" to get laid
/r/PurplePillDebate12/06/26 05:45 PM
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Actually stats show ugly girls get laid more than attractive ones (general thought is less likely to get commitment and more likely to put out early due to wanting to be liked) so that seems like the opposite way to go if cheating is a concern........ and as a chubby chaser who also has low standards in general I can definitely confirm that yeah the ugly ones aren't immune to cheating Edit: https://sci-hub.st/10.1080/19485565.2011.615172 Thanks pointlesslylongname0
/r/PurplePillDebate12/06/26 05:30 PM
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Haven't been dating since a car accident about 2 years ago.... mostly healed now, but I started to get in better shape and I'm kind of just waiting until I look better until I try again (lost 70lbs while adding muscle). Before I was on the dating sites and asking out IRL, wasn't the most successful and would occasionally sleep with women I wasn't even attracted to due to a dry spell lasting too long (would alternate between hating being in a relationship and being single..... grass is always gre…
/r/PurplePillDebate11/06/26 06:21 PM
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About half of men and women voted for trump and this is with abortion being an issue, I think ppl just liked trump or hated the dems
/r/PurplePillDebate11/06/26 06:10 PM
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How is calling complaining "not masculine" and trying to shame the men that do it as "bitches" like OP was doing not holding men to higher standards than women? Are you for real right now?
/r/PurplePillDebate10/06/26 09:32 PM
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I know that it's a part of it, but I'm saying women tend to just call out masculine traits they dislike..... if this was more of what we hear people wouldn't have a problem with the term
/r/PurplePillDebate10/06/26 09:29 PM
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I just mentioned men falling behind in school (and work problems).... what are you asking for if this doesn't count? And yes, I'm honestly wondering how a man running for political office isn't a representation of men? I specifically said men's issues/concerns..... electing politicians should be about them representing your issues not whether or not they have penises ffs
/r/PurplePillDebate10/06/26 08:29 PM
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Well OP mentions men doing worse in school/work and the lefts habit of demonizing men just for starters How are men running for political office, not a representation of men??? Same way I'm sure feminists don't see a woman who is anti abortion as representative of their concerns/issues...... is this a real question?
/r/PurplePillDebate10/06/26 08:10 PM
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One of the main reasons people vote for politicians is to be a representative for their issues, if you are in some niche group yes it's pretty egotistical to think they will specifically be for you.....If you aren't in a small group this is just asking for basic representation
/r/PurplePillDebate10/06/26 07:52 PM
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Oh wow, almost like…. We have also complained about entitled men! Oh wow, almost like...... I agree entitlement is bad for both genders! Then there would be no one showing videos of Karen’s complaining at service employees. "Complaining AT", Complaining isn't bad in itself.... entitlement and attacking service employees is usually the issue in those videos isn't it?
/r/PurplePillDebate10/06/26 06:47 PM
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Granted I forgot about the feminist part, but I have indeed been arguing you on the Karen part, their complaining is definitely not what makes them hated, entitlement sure (along with trying to hurt others). Feminists are indeed a better example but I wouldn't say trump won due to their complaining...... yeah men that complain too much are the male version of Feminists, I can get behind that part.
/r/PurplePillDebate10/06/26 06:01 PM
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Read it, want to pretend you don't have a habit of painting things in the worst light? You were also comparing complaining to tantrums, it's hard to figure out what we are even talking about when your comparison is karens. So are we talking about people complaining or a straight up victim complex? And if it's the latter why are you trying to make this a gender thing and comparing "men who complain" and Karen's?
/r/PurplePillDebate10/06/26 05:51 PM
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Do you really not see anything wrong with trying to compare men complaining with the mindset of specifically karens instead of just women that complain? You are purposefully creating a false comparison unless you just want to say people in general should just STFU not men and karens
/r/PurplePillDebate10/06/26 05:43 PM
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You aren't "calling out men", you are saying they should just shut up and take whatever unfair thing that happens to them without complaint. Unless you want to try and claim that Karen's are hated for merely complaining you have to admit it's a false equivalency. I already knew the tactic you were trying to use "but i called out karens", you ain't slick lol.
/r/PurplePillDebate10/06/26 05:29 PM
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I agree grown people shouldn't be throwing tantrums but you literally start off your post with saying there is something wrong with men COMPLAINING. Are we talking about men complaining or having full on temper tantrums here?
/r/PurplePillDebate10/06/26 05:17 PM
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Wouldn't I have to be implying it to be a majority of women to suggest this is a female trait? Also it's hard to say how much of it is inherent and how much of it is due to society putting extra pressure on men to be silent like you are currently doing, congratulations you are part of the problem! Like if Andrew Tate and other podcast bros didnt get famous and talk to politicians to influence them….as well as incel forums not promote violence that does spill out to the public, no one would care.…
/r/PurplePillDebate10/06/26 05:10 PM
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I wouldn't consider merely complaining as toxic femininity. If Karen's only complained instead of acting like entitled brats trying to get workers fired or cops called on people for doing something that doesn't harm her (and often racist for some reason) they wouldn't be hated.....just complaining? That's just human
/r/PurplePillDebate10/06/26 04:59 PM
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Didn't say they stopped caring, my original comment is saying how it's not healthy to hold men to much higher standards than women, the whole "toxic masculinity" thing.
/r/PurplePillDebate10/06/26 04:39 PM
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Not saying it's an excuse, just of course there are going to be people that don't. Luckily for those men there are more women that haven't so at least they have company lol
/r/PurplePillDebate10/06/26 04:35 PM
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Well if they are OK with their friends behaving this way why would it be a problem for a man? Hell if they want the traditional bottle up emotions guy that's fine, just be cool with all the other stuff that comes with it (usually being an angry person)
/r/PurplePillDebate10/06/26 04:33 PM
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Well duh, men are humans..... a lot of humans in general are emotional toddlers (although I would argue the percentage is higher with women)
/r/PurplePillDebate10/06/26 04:24 PM
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See this is what toxic masculinity should be about, thinking men must suffer in silence if they don't want to be seen like a bitch not masculinity traits that women dislike.
/r/PurplePillDebate10/06/26 04:21 PM
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Yes i listen to ideas of people in general, to do otherwise sounds like some echo chamber bs. Okcupid showed 20% of men getting 80% of womens attention, always knew it was an exaggerated number but believed in the general idea that yes more attractive men are disproportionately having more sex due to their willingness to date down (now whether they are actually willing to commit or just horny is a different story) and the data i presented shows this as well.
/r/PurplePillDebate08/06/26 02:12 PM
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Is one of those beliefs is trusting okcupid more than actual studies (key word here is "more")? Do you just trust the Okcupid data more or just like what it says more?
/r/PurplePillDebate08/06/26 01:51 PM
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Listen crazy Lilly, I'm not RP, you can't just attack RP and pretend it's me lol I know how you love your strawmen. In general we should use the best data we have available..... in this case it's not okcupid lol My data talks about men and women in general and was done by a professional..... yours specifically talks about what happens on the app/website Okcupid. One of these is clearly better than the other lol
/r/PurplePillDebate08/06/26 01:44 PM
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Correct yourself, I don't accept your assertion that some men on okcupid ignoring women means more than the data of unattractive women having more partners than attractive women (vice versa for men) Mathematically/statistically men are "dating" down. Do you just generally trust okcupid data more or just when it confirms your belief?
/r/PurplePillDebate08/06/26 01:38 PM
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Good for them? So about that link
/r/PurplePillDebate08/06/26 01:30 PM
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What do you mean? Have a link for this?..... I've heard that young people aren't really dating but young men choosing not to have sex is news to me
/r/PurplePillDebate08/06/26 01:26 PM
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Bruh I'm not going to pretend I 100% know, but yeah the bodily fluids of 1000 men is definitely a big part of it lol. (May make men assume they would be a shitty partner or just grossed out by the vast difference in their moral view on casual sex... hard to say) Do you simply not care or does the idea of a girl being a huge slut turn you on? Curious if this is your kink or something
/r/PurplePillDebate07/06/26 01:17 PM
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Depends what you mean by lustful. Generally men do not find women that enjoy sex as ugly but the further down that lustful/ho line you go the more men will start seeing them as a bad idea for a partner and it does also reach a level where it's just seen as gross..... like I believe most men are kind of grossed out about the Bonnie Blue stuff for instance Different levels for different men though
/r/PurplePillDebate07/06/26 12:28 PM
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Same reason women shame things like height and people in general shame ugly, people tend to shame things that make them see someone as a bad potential dating partner (regardless if they have any interest in dating)
/r/PurplePillDebate07/06/26 12:04 PM
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Nah stats also show a quite sizeable amount of young men are straight up just not having sex. So dating isnt hard for men and they have options. Dating may not be hard for those men that use Okcupid a lot or something, but in general yes it is. If that was true men wouldn't have to be getting with unattractive women, you seem to want to ignore this due to okcupid lmao
/r/PurplePillDebate07/06/26 11:14 AM
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I'm just speaking In general, I'm not an absolutist here. Not saying 4's are dickmatized by 10's..... just that on average it is indeed a thing that men are sleeping with (and probably often dating at least short term ) women less attractive than themselves. Although it shouldn't be too crazy to suggest that a woman being able to date/sleep with attractive men is more likely to make her think that's her "league" they are not just having sex with a guy thinking about locking him down. Of course n…
/r/PurplePillDebate07/06/26 01:37 AM
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You seem to be ignoring that "willing" word, I used it for a reason. For it to be nearly a line would suggest they just don't really care about looks which I never would say. If they are able to hook up with attractive women often enough they aren't going to be trying to hook up with unattractive. It's not that complicated
/r/PurplePillDebate07/06/26 12:26 AM
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Yes men are for more likely to go after attractive women, never denied this...... but statistically they sleep more with less attractive women due to lower standards than women (at least when it comes to them being horny, not claiming they are noble hahaha) It doesn't seem to be divided by the sluttiness of the women, it's observably the attraction of the men and women that make the difference And yet Okcupid shows they will actively ignore less attractive women including average looking women. …
/r/PurplePillDebate07/06/26 12:05 AM
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What part of what I said is this supposed to argue against? Do you think me saying they were WILLING to sleep with women less attractive than them meant they didn't try for the attractive women or something?
/r/PurplePillDebate06/06/26 11:47 PM
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Stats don't seem to suggest this, where are you getting this information? The stats just say that men wanted sex and were willing to sleep with less attractive women to get it (but not willing to commit to them)
/r/PurplePillDebate06/06/26 11:40 PM
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I'm saying women in general, not all
/r/PurplePillDebate06/06/26 11:36 PM
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I agree no one should be saying "all" anything, but generally speaking yes women are sleeping around with more attractive men but are unable to get the commitment..... not just who RP wants, women in general
/r/PurplePillDebate06/06/26 11:34 PM
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What are you basing this belief on? Statistically the more attractive a man is the more he sleeps around yet it's the opposite for women where the less attractive women sleep around more on average. https://www.aarp.org/family-relationships/better-looking-people-are-not-having-more-sex/ Genuinely the belief is (another example of sometimes RP beliefs just being things that were known before RP) that more attractive women are actually able to get the guys they want to settle down whereas the attr…
/r/PurplePillDebate06/06/26 11:29 PM
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Well yeah, like you mentioned these "fuckboy" types tend to get more "experiences" with women so they are perceived as being more common than they are. So many women online complaining about how men will use them for sex while most men their age have trouble getting laid in general so are definitely not going around doing this "pump and dump" nonsense
/r/PurplePillDebate05/06/26 08:47 AM
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Oh without a doubt it's a strawman, kind of her specialty here lol As someone who has also lost a considerable amount of weight recently (not nearly as much though) I agree, the switch-up is crazy, people seem to want to talk to me more (which honestly I try and avoid)
/r/PurplePillDebate04/06/26 09:32 PM
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To me this kind of thing just makes so much sense for men.... if you could just snap your fingers and become instantly taller, hotter, higher status and richer wouldn't you?
/r/PurplePillDebate04/06/26 04:33 PM
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But in this context he used it to express that he does indeed think it translates to reality.
/r/PurplePillDebate29/05/26 02:47 AM
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I didn't say an issue finding it, saying you are the odd one in this scenario if it isn't enough.... unless you just mean "ideal" as in it could be better, ummm duh what do you think average is?
/r/PurplePillDebate29/05/26 01:25 AM
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I think that you are placing too much importance on how much a dude's dick determines his personality
/r/PurplePillDebate29/05/26 12:55 AM
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Again, if you see the average dick size as too small then it might be a YOU issue. (To be fair I thought it was closer to 6 myself). Yes it's not "ideal", if you mean it could be better (same can basically be said about the average anything) , but if it simply isn't enough to satisfy you, that isn't normal.
/r/PurplePillDebate29/05/26 12:53 AM
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Most of you have small dicks. Wait most men in general? (Might be a you issue) Or most men on this sub? (How dafuq would you possibly know) This just seems like an impossibly true thing to say and shows that you aren't trying to be blunt, you just trying to talk shit.
/r/PurplePillDebate28/05/26 11:51 PM
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Lilith I swear to God yo need to chill and.get off reddit, you worry me
/r/PurplePillDebate24/05/26 08:21 AM
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Dating app for fat people (overweight at the time and I'm a chubby chaser that unsurprisingly has a lot better success rate with the big gals), within 5 minutes of meeting in person I was inside her, she was down for some fun
/r/PurplePillDebate23/05/26 08:39 AM
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You say this like a majority of men are out there lamenting their wife isn't as attractive anymore.... I'm sorry if pointing out something that actually happens ruins your "men bad" narrative.
/r/PurplePillDebate18/05/26 06:54 PM
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Yes people tend to be illogical, the man may lament the wife doesn't look as good, the wife may lament the husband is "broke" or works too much (due to needing to support a family). Being judgemental and "immature" is far from a male specific trait in this regard
/r/PurplePillDebate18/05/26 03:46 PM
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Just because you don't have stats doesn't mean your claim doesn't need them lmfao You are making the claim that women want to sleep around, statistically the opposite seems to be the case.
/r/PurplePillDebate17/05/26 09:58 PM
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And you are getting your info from where that is more relevant and reliable?
/r/PurplePillDebate17/05/26 09:54 PM
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https://www.aarp.org/family-relationships/better-looking-people-are-not-having-more-sex/ "Sex: When and How Many: Very physically attractive women are more likely to form exclusive relationships than purely sexual ones, and are less likely to have sexual intercourse within the first week of meeting a partner. Presumably, says McClintock, this difference arises because these women use their greater power in the partner market to control their relationships. Number of Partners: For women, the numbe…
/r/PurplePillDebate17/05/26 09:53 PM
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Most women would disagree. But hey if they actually want to do this they can sleep around a lot easier than men, sounds pretty good for them if not perfect I mean hell, the more attractive a woman is statistically the less sexual partners she has, completely the opposite of men.
/r/PurplePillDebate17/05/26 09:36 PM
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Not sure how "changing my attitude towards women" would help in other areas of my life that don't have anything to do with dating. Although maybe one day I will change and take that red pill jk jk
/r/PurplePillDebate17/05/26 09:32 PM
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Can't say the same , but at least I'm not an incel, better than I can say for a lot of men here lol
/r/PurplePillDebate17/05/26 09:27 PM
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Yes it is, but that doesn't mean we have to be ok with things like non monogamy or people that chose to sleep around a lot instead of forming long term relationships. Lots of stuff involved in relationships and sexuality and to suggest that people should be ok with all of it or the parts that you think they should be are ridiculous. Supposedly most women don't want to go sleep around so what kind of nonsense makes you say that a man can't want a woman that isn't close to asexual or town bicycle?…
/r/PurplePillDebate17/05/26 09:25 PM
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Again, the hypocrisy/lack of self reflection...... do you think your actions here are a positive thing that if taken as representative of women would make them seem better? I have news for you, you are seen the same as those men "whining about women online". Only one of us generalized the other gender as bad and that would be you, I just rather not marry a certain type of woman and you take issue with that for some reason
/r/PurplePillDebate17/05/26 09:21 PM
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Why would someone not be able to be ok with expressing sexuality in some ways but not others? That makes no sense, you either have to be ok with it all or not have any? That's not how humans work
/r/PurplePillDebate17/05/26 09:17 PM
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Oh no the random internet woman that negatively generalizes men online (while hypocritically being against when men do it to women) includes me! What will I ever do!
/r/PurplePillDebate17/05/26 09:13 PM
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Then why do you generalize it as men?
/r/PurplePillDebate17/05/26 09:03 PM
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"I’m judging the inequality faced by women today. Men want women to continue to be an undervalued servant class, and they’re mad that women aren’t into it. Marry me and be privileged to pick up after me and my children for the rest of my life while I tell you that you’re losing your value as you age, and in return, you get my half of the bills? Who would take that?" You are most assuredly generalizing negative opinions about men, why are you pretending differently? Ugh such bad faith
/r/PurplePillDebate17/05/26 08:27 PM
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Did you take your pills today? I called you a man hater because you first justified your negative opinion of men by talking about something someone online said and you avoiding the topic and just sitting on men. Can you show me at what point I said something that made you think I was calling you a man hater based on who you married? I'm so curious about how your mind works lmao
/r/PurplePillDebate17/05/26 08:13 PM
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but want them to want you more. No that's OP, I think on average men and women's sexuality is different and find it understandable that they aren't marketed in the same way sexually (they still use sex to market to women, just different and less often than men usually) Obviously, I’m the one who hates men When women call certain men fuckboys does this mean they hate men in general? Not finding every type of woman marriage material isn't the same as hating women.
/r/PurplePillDebate17/05/26 08:06 PM
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Yeah I'm sure the person justifying their beliefs based on "this guy online said" must be working on some higher level of logic and not just spouting anti man bs instead of actually interacting with the topic.... must be /s
/r/PurplePillDebate17/05/26 07:46 PM
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What does that have to do with the topic?
/r/PurplePillDebate17/05/26 07:04 PM
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So to argue about men supposedly wanting a servant in marriage (wtf does this have to do with the topic) you talk about some random dude talking about certain women only being good for a pump and dump? Really not understanding your logic here
/r/PurplePillDebate17/05/26 06:54 PM
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Not something I brought up in that conversation, what does that have to do with what the person said though? I'm sorry I didn't have someone say something dumber to me today lol, the day is still young and this is reddit. The point is that we shouldn't judge a whole gender based on some random person saying something dumb online because this is going to happen constantly and if you are trying to use it to justify some kind of belief you are just looking for an excuse
/r/PurplePillDebate17/05/26 06:22 PM
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Does anyone have that kind of safe space online? I'm sure you can find an echo chamber somewhere
/r/PurplePillDebate17/05/26 06:14 PM
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I was blaming THOSE women
/r/PurplePillDebate17/05/26 06:04 PM
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People need to leave out that word "all". "Expess sexuality" means more than sleep around. If she specifically meant sleep around then it's very disingenuous since that isn't the topic. There is a difference between appreciating a topless Ryan Reynolds, watching porn and being the town bicycle. I agree many (probably most) men don't want to get serious with the town bicycle but that isn't the same as saying that if a woman shows she is sexual at all that she shouldn't be taken seriously Edit: al…
/r/PurplePillDebate17/05/26 05:48 PM
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How the hell does this change trying to justify shaming random men because of your/their husband?
/r/PurplePillDebate17/05/26 05:37 PM
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Does this change what the person said or my point about how dumb it is to try and make believe some random comment online is representing an entire gender? Ffs what are you even trying to argue anyways? That we are supposed to be ok with what those women were doing because a man told them to?
/r/PurplePillDebate17/05/26 05:26 PM
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And I was told mere hours ago that women shaming random men for not going to die in WW1 was ok because they probably had bad husbands (which included men who couldn't go for medical reasons) https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/White_Feather_Campaign Not sure what kind of point you are trying to make but this screams of confirmation bias, who cares about what some random person said online
/r/PurplePillDebate17/05/26 05:11 PM
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Changing tables in women’s bathrooms aren’t for single moms. They are for all moms. Which I mentioned when I 1st brought it up, just forgot to clarify the 2nd time. You bring up how much more common it is for there to be single moms, but are ignoring how much that has helped there be things in place to help single moms and mothers in general..... single fathers generally don't have all this stuff since it wasn't seen as necessary. So single dad’s either aren’t doing as much work as the mom What …
/r/PurplePillDebate17/05/26 12:01 AM
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Yea I said moms usually get custody but Yes I'm aware, I just don't know why you are still asking if it's harder to care for a child than not when my opinion on the matter should be obvious by me asking about custody Also since when do single fathers not get support? It’s just less likely for a man to have custody that’s all but men who do can definitely get support. Did you miss the changing table example? There is literally infrastructure and social events/programs that prioritize helping sing…
/r/PurplePillDebate16/05/26 08:20 PM
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Agreed, "you miss 100% of the shots you don't take" and all that, the women apparently aren't gonna do it lol
/r/PurplePillDebate16/05/26 08:14 PM
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Duh, Which is why i asked about custody Practically speaking? Nah not a big difference in how hard something is, especially since at least in USA there are plenty of things specifically designed to make single mothers (and mothers in general) life easier. They barely started making it common to add a changing station in men's restrooms for example. If I had to choose between the 2 options I'm definitely picking the path with all the actual support even if some people are going to judge, no conte…
/r/PurplePillDebate16/05/26 07:55 PM
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Does this actually make it harder or are you just complaining?
/r/PurplePillDebate16/05/26 07:26 PM
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Exactly, some men exaggerate the success rate, but comparatively it's still waaaay higher for women
/r/PurplePillDebate16/05/26 06:25 PM
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What are you talking about? I wasn't blamed during my periods of wanting to be single before I got my life together and as far as I know no one is talking down on me right now for not being in the dating scene currently (will get back in eventually, just busy right now)
/r/PurplePillDebate16/05/26 04:40 PM
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Just because I have a penis doesn't make me an asshole, that is for entirely different reasons
/r/PurplePillDebate16/05/26 02:59 PM
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This reminds me of the Henry Cavill meme "if you like her just ask her out, it always works for me" I think it's important to see the difference between successful and unsuccessful men to better determine causation vs correlation
/r/PurplePillDebate16/05/26 02:16 PM
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It's true statistically by like 10% Not sure why some women want to turn that into a "men bad" thing, pretty sure more women would want to have a kid if they didn't have to be the pregnant one
/r/PurplePillDebate16/05/26 02:09 PM
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Wait why is it harder to be a single mom than dad? Do you mean if the guy doesn't get custody?
/r/PurplePillDebate16/05/26 02:05 PM
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I'm just saying in comparison to being responsible to an entire human being since OP tried to claim that the pregnancy itself didn't bother most women too much. If men were the ones to get pregnant more women would want to and less men, but OP rather just assume that the reason is because men are planning to just make women do all the work
/r/PurplePillDebate16/05/26 02:04 PM
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Logically yes, but humans aren't as logical as they should be, heard plenty of women state not wanting to "ruin their body" as one of the main ones for instance. And so very much of taking care of young kids is talking about emotions, how to name and express and regulate them, it would give a huge leg up in forming non romantic but still positive friendships that are fulfilling in some of the other ways that we see correlate with men who are able to use those same skills to date successfully. We…
/r/PurplePillDebate16/05/26 03:30 AM
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If those are my only 2 options and she is all of that? Yes without a doubt choosing the relationship. Strange more aren't choosing this Since I live in the real world, no way in hell am I choosing the relationship
/r/PurplePillDebate16/05/26 02:41 AM
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Pretty sure having to give birth is a pretty important factor in this
/r/PurplePillDebate16/05/26 02:34 AM
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Difference there is sex is something people do because they enjoy it, paying for meals is something done for the chance to sleep with/get into a relationship with a woman, there's not 20% of men exclusively wanting to pay for women's meal without this and 50% of them wanting to pay for the meal even if they know. And if the women in these scenarios are treating sex similarly to paying for food I'm not really going to feel bad that her fucking a guy didn't end up with her getting the relationship…
/r/PurplePillDebate15/05/26 06:57 PM
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That's not changing the claim. Your claim is that you have to disclose whether you're bi - even if you disclose your STI status and current exposures - bc it makes you more likely to have contracted an STI. Where did I say this? You are just making shit up. Seriously what is your issue? You are suggesting that all bisexual men have the same high risk of contracting an STI, and that it doesn't matter what activities they're engaging in. Do you lack IQ or honesty? The 1st paragraph is saying that …
/r/PurplePillDebate15/05/26 06:28 PM
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Definitely an exaggeration but the general idea of better looking men sexually "sharing" women that are trying to date out of their league is indeed supported by the stats with the general belief being attractive women have a lower body count since they can actually attain that commitment. https://www.aarp.org/family-relationships/better-looking-people-are-not-having-more-sex/ "Number of Partners: For women, the number of sexual partners decreases as physical attractiveness increases, whereas fo…
/r/PurplePillDebate15/05/26 05:14 PM
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Sounds like a strawman against my claim that they have a higher chance of having an STI. No, you said that, bc bi men aren't all solely bottoms, it can't have anything to do with their specific activity preferences No I didn't, why are you blatantly lying? Really weird hill to die on. " More like really weird thing for you to lie about, didn't say this either. You have a problem. Bruh, anyone who wants unprotected sex outside of a relationship is in a minority. We all know that. It's objectively…
/r/PurplePillDebate15/05/26 02:42 PM
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Just like you can reasonably assume a bisexual man is more likely to have an STI Whether she wants to trust him generally doesn't hinge on his sexual orientation. Trust him being clean I meant The HIV risk rate for the entire bi men's community is.....It absolutely does matter for them. Bad reading comprehension or strawman. I said that it doesn't mean it ONLY applies to the men that bottom, to argue against what I said you would need to compare the percentage of bi men who only top vs heterosex…
/r/PurplePillDebate15/05/26 01:20 PM
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But just because someone doesn't want a relationship doesn't make the individual less likely to be honest, that's what I'm talking about. When it's a bisexual guy you want to get into specifics like if the guy is bottoming instead of letting the woman decide for herself if she wants to trust the bisexual guy that is statistically more likely to get an sti, you claim that it only applies to guys who bottom but I call bull, with it being more prevalent in the gay community in general a heterosexua…
/r/PurplePillDebate14/05/26 07:38 PM
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Why can't this logic be applied to bisexual men then? You like to pick and choose when we should judge by the individual instead of the risk on a general basis. Pretending to be someone's partner when you aren't easily falls into that category. Going on dates with someone isn't pretending to be someone's partner though, we already established that it's a part of situationships (even though you originally claimed otherwise) . What things are you assuming he is doing besides dating the woman? beca…
/r/PurplePillDebate14/05/26 06:33 PM
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If you hold this standard to a man not saying he isn't interested in a relationship then I can get behind this, yay common ground (which im sure you are about to destroy Not every bi man is at increased risk. It would be inaccurate to say, "if you're bi, you're at increased risk." Unless you think it's magic. And not every guy who doesn't want a relationship is increased risk though, so unless they fit whatever category you are stating makes them riskier than it shouldn't matter Google AI: "redu…
/r/PurplePillDebate14/05/26 06:04 PM
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So if the bi guy is worried she may like him less since a lot of women don't like bisexual men then it's bad to not disclose this information right? The reason to focus on them is bc they are the subset that's more at risk for STDs. They're the ones who influence the curve, bc they choose a higher-risk behavior. Ignoring that absolutely is acting like it's magic, bc there's no other medical reason. That is the reason. Are bottom only men throwing the curve or is it the fact that many do both? Yo…
/r/PurplePillDebate14/05/26 05:17 PM
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Yes I understand that difference, but if it's just relevant information that increases the likelihood this would also include bisexual men otherwise it's not informed consent by your standards since you are taking away their choice to knowingly engage in a relationship with a bisexual man..... which is the minority of men so it also fits in that regard as well. If you don't know what the stats mean, you end up acting like you think being bi magically attracts STIs, like you are now. I'm not thin…
/r/PurplePillDebate14/05/26 04:15 PM
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Just you lying, her making an assumption perfectly fits here. I don't believe he is. He is obligated to share his STI status Well then why wouldn't men in a casual thing just have to say relevant information like their STI test or if they would not want to be involved in their kids life? You don't seem to be consistent with your logic Not to put too fine a point on it, but the transmission of STIs between men who engage in that sort of penetrative sex is penis-to-rectum and rectum-to-penis. The …
/r/PurplePillDebate14/05/26 03:13 PM
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Apparently you don't understand the difference between honest and dishonest Yes apparently we disagree on what constitutes dishonesty, seems like a whataboutism though. "Weren't you wearing one?" tells me that she was under the impression that he was wearing one, and he chose not to. Again, do you not understand the difference between him trying to make her believe he has a condom on and her just assuming he does? What part of this are you not comprehending? Can women be shamed for any assumptio…
/r/PurplePillDebate14/05/26 02:14 PM
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Again do you not see the difference between faking it and neither of them asking? Like why does your brain seem to blank this out? Ok neither of them brought up a condom and your first thought is the guy did something wrong? Fuckin A, obviously have a bias going on which im not surprised. If he's a glorified stranger..... So all these assumptions based on whether or not he is interested in dating you? (Remember the difference isn't dating or not, it is intent to commit). By this logic bisexual m…
/r/PurplePillDebate14/05/26 02:52 AM
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Reproductive coercion is considered domestic abuse and tends to be illegal. Living with mom doesn't change anything about the circumstances of sex. It doesn't increase risk or decrease mitigation. It's just a normal thing (20% of men 25-34 live at home) that she might find concerning when it comes to a relationship. If it did change the circumstances of sex, he would absolutely need to be up-front. It changes the circumstances about as much as the guy not wanting to be in a relationship. Nope. T…
/r/PurplePillDebate13/05/26 10:07 PM
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Oh Patrick will play with your instrument until he gets som mayonnaise
/r/PurplePillDebate13/05/26 08:45 PM
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Basically when they just lay there with their arms and legs spread
/r/PurplePillDebate13/05/26 08:26 PM
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We are talking about assumptions being made, like I do remember the scene in the movie knocked up where she tells him "weren't you wearing a condom?", wasn't sexual assault because she may have made an assumption about a condom. It does make you dishonest when it's material to the issue. Not a weird side quirk she might have, but absolutely central to consent. It matters. The fact that you wanna hide it says you know it matters. You just don't wanna feel bad, so you're downplaying the impact of …
/r/PurplePillDebate13/05/26 08:09 PM
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What, exactly, is wrong with some men that they think having sex is safe? Is it true ignorance, or willful ignorance? Unknowingly putting you in danger, she is informed Having sex with an acquaintance is not safe, just like having unprotected sex with a partner is not safe. If everyone wants to, that's fine. But everyone has to know, to decide whether they want to or not. Tricking you into having unprotected sex is different then if you 2 just start fooling around and end up having unprotected s…
/r/PurplePillDebate13/05/26 07:32 PM
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In your example they are totally misleading you and putting you in a dangerous position..... why are your analogies so different than the situation? Is it because if you actually made it comparable you would see the fault in your logic? If it was the more accurate example of you just assuming where you 2 were going and he took you somewhere different then no it would be weird to complain I think an even more accurate example of when the norm was "dinner and a movie", you guys agreed to got to a …
/r/PurplePillDebate13/05/26 06:27 PM
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I agree that they shouldn't lie, just not that they need to disclose without any prompt. They're expecting/wanting more (adding sex to dating) while deliberately hiding..... It's pretty standard to hide things in the beginning, almost no one thinks you should start off by listing all the things that may make the other person not want to date you, that's just not how it's generally done and I don't see why there would be different rules for this. I can't believe you keep trying to compare not get…
/r/PurplePillDebate13/05/26 05:32 PM
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Enthusiastic sex is definitely better than starfish sex. And yes we love a lot of the desire components of sex and think it's a turn-on
/r/PurplePillDebate13/05/26 05:24 PM
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Never claimed it was a small thing either, but Those kind of relationships USE TO be the entire point of dating yet now over 1/3 of people have been in a situationship with over 1/2 of young people, dating is becoming less and less abou Yes, it is. If you order an entree at a restaurant, you know full well that everyone involved will expect payment. Now if that same thing was true about getting food (it becoming more popular to not pay) at restaurants and there was no legal obligation to pay wit…
/r/PurplePillDebate13/05/26 05:06 PM
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Oh most definitely do respillers exaggerate but the overall idea of women sleeping around more because they are trying to "lock down chad" is supported by statistical evidence. Men have more sexual partners the better looking they are, but women are the opposite (prevailing theory is due to them being able to get what they want faster the better looking they are https://www.aarp.org/family-relationships/better-looking-people-are-not-having-more-sex/&ved=2ahUKEwiFyfWB3LWUAxXcxMkDHWfSOPYQFnoECDgQA…
/r/PurplePillDebate13/05/26 07:16 AM
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Not saying it all that it's about, but I am saying that it's definitely not about saying everything that can potentially turn a yes into a no like you were trying to claim.... it just isn't That's more. That is escalating the relationship. It's unreasonable to expect it to be meaningless. Esp since it means she's trusting you with her life. Ridiculous. Yes it's escalating if we are starting from before they have sex, I'm not suggesting it's meaningless. I was saying that once they are already at…
/r/PurplePillDebate12/05/26 01:50 PM
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If you have an STD that is potentially dangerous you are obligated to tell them..... if you think they might not sleep with you if they knew you lived with your mother or something no you aren't and the fact that you are trying to make this a case of SA diminishes actual cases Sex is more. Treating sex like a glorified handshake is not just silly, it's disrespectful to your partners. And if you can't treat them with respect, you should not be having sex with them. Oh that's what you meant... wel…
/r/PurplePillDebate12/05/26 01:14 PM
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You don't have to wait until getting engaged, just saying that even when they know they aren't going to marry someone most people are willing to have sex. Glad we agree that it's dishonest. Yes, congratulations on beating your strawman I guess Yes! That's how consent works! It's how it's supposed to work. It's the whole point of getting consent in the first place. Jfc If you go home with someone and there are 5 other guys waiting to meat you, she doesn't get to say, "but if I said that's what I …
/r/PurplePillDebate11/05/26 07:11 PM
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Lol "even if they aren't quite ready yet", sounds like they are planning to fuck some guys they have 0 intention in ever marrying. The ppl we're talking about do believe a relationship has begun. That's the point. She believes he's investing in a relationship, and being intimate with him is part of the progression of that relationship. He is allowing her to believe that, by behaving/speaking as tho that's the case. No the people we are talking about are not speaking like they are in a relationsh…
/r/PurplePillDebate11/05/26 06:17 PM
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Not really anymore, dating with the intent to eventually get married is not seen as what dating has to be about anymore. For better or worse things have changed. Women should sleep with men without thinking that he's a normal person, but also not sleep with men. If they want a relationship or they will feel misled they should either voice it or wait until a relationship begins. If them not wanting a relationship is an issue for them this just seems like common sense If they are cool with it poss…
/r/PurplePillDebate11/05/26 05:15 PM
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That's not leading on.... he is doing what he wants to do, if the woman wants more why should the imperative be on the man? Those are both types of negotiated relationships, my dude. Nothing wrong with either, provided that everyone knows what's going on. Just like any other type of relationship. Yes my dude they are and I'm not sure how they are usually negotiated but from my experience they were usually after already have hooking up for a little while. Only 18% of women are open to early sex. …
/r/PurplePillDebate11/05/26 04:58 PM
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The guy may be worried he is coming off as a fuckboy/shallow, girl may be worried she doesn't want to come off as clingy.... with how common things like fwbs/situationships are it's totally dishonest to try and claim a blanket assumption that it's for a relationship and it's the imperative of the other person to communicate. Or hell just wait until a relationship if that is a deal-breaker. If you are the one with the problem make your voice heard and don't just make it the responsibility of ever…
/r/PurplePillDebate11/05/26 04:17 PM
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Grown adult women (IRL and assuming whoever made that movie was an adult woman and yes assuming gender lol) and probably teenagers/children as well since I don't check everyone's age online and ppl lie Like have you read the comments here? People are one step above trying to call it rape
/r/PurplePillDebate11/05/26 03:46 PM
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Yes, in that scenario he would be misleading you and killing you.... this doesn't change the fact that in a scenario where they get into the car with assumptions that were not intentionally planted in her, they can't really blame the driver if it wasn't where they assumed. 2 different scenarios with different results, almost like the world is nuanced and just because 1 thing is bad doesn't make the other bad.... shocker Back to arguing that body count = intentions? Ffs no, forget about body coun…
/r/PurplePillDebate11/05/26 03:43 PM
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Pretty damn common, you are just showing that you ignore it. Says a lot about you
/r/PurplePillDebate11/05/26 03:24 PM
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Just assuming things the guy wants and then getting mad when it's not what she wants
/r/PurplePillDebate11/05/26 03:22 PM
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If you get into a car just making assumptions where you are going you can't cry kidnapping if it goes somewhere else than you assumed Body count ≠ intentions. That's bizarre and nonsensical 2 different things. You are complaining about the guy not making his intentions clear but in this scenario neither is the woman, you are just placing the burden on the man
/r/PurplePillDebate11/05/26 03:21 PM
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Don't forget that consent must be freely given, reversible, informed, enthusiastic, and specific, or it's not consent. Presumably, you don't wanna have sex with someone who hasn't fully consented. So don't. I hate this broad view of informed consent, sure things like STD's make sense, but unless we are going to include things like women being up-front about their body count or something then it seems pretty 1 sided to suggest men need to make their intentions clear.... as the woman is also not m…
/r/PurplePillDebate11/05/26 02:14 PM
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You mean men that will date and sleep with a woman without intention of committing to her? Yes and yes I'm saying plenty of women complain about this . If a woman states explicitly on her dating profile that she wants a relationship or she tells you to your face that she’s looking for a relationship and you continue to date her knowing full well that you don’t want a relationship with her, but you will go along and act like you do just because you want to have sex with her, then you are a piece …
/r/PurplePillDebate11/05/26 12:43 AM
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You say that, but in practice..... lol It's a general belief, I feel like this would be more of a "what things do you think I should do more of?" question because otherwise im either just going to start naming off traditional gender roles, gender stereotypes or things people do in relationships in general.
/r/PurplePillDebate10/05/26 11:23 PM
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No, just don't see why me having a penis means I need to pay.
/r/PurplePillDebate10/05/26 11:16 PM
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Are you just being disingenuous here? It's a movie that was trying to talk about something it saw as an issue and even tried to coin a term for men like this (think it was softboy or something, Don't remember). This is something I noticed way before the movie and obviously I'm not the only one.... but yeah because YOU didn't notice it that means it doesn't exist, are you serious? You know that is ridiculous
/r/PurplePillDebate10/05/26 11:14 PM
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If you are asking what I don't think I should put extra effort in? Ummm yeah kinda everything with some give and take (not necessarily dictated by gender, just 2 people having strengths and weaknesses). Like paying for dates (although I do if we actually go on a date, may not agree with it but it tends to be expected)..... it's not like I have a list or anything I just tend to have a general idea that I shouldn’t be held by traditional gender roles if I'm not expecting her to. Is
/r/PurplePillDebate10/05/26 11:09 PM
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Well sounds like they should say they want more than a sexual relationship then, if I'm cool with the current relationship why would I bring it up?
/r/PurplePillDebate10/05/26 10:33 PM
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Well pretty much anything that the other doesn't have to do unless we are going by traditional standards.... then it gets more debatable
/r/PurplePillDebate10/05/26 10:31 PM
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Well continue not believing, it's basically the plot of the movie "oh, hi" (although in this example they focus on the men that do "relationship things" while not wanting a relationship) Not sure why you are so sure that something isn't true just because you haven't noticed it, I think it says more about what you like to ignore than how common it is
/r/PurplePillDebate10/05/26 10:30 PM
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What relationship?
/r/PurplePillDebate10/05/26 10:23 PM
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I'm aware that some men lie, im saying I see this attitude even when they don't.... it's not that I don't understand you, I just don't agree. Damn, not that complicated, like do you just think I was unaware that a lot of me lie to get laid or something? If you want to say my entire premise is wrong that's your prerogative but don't expect me to ignore what I have seen and just go along with what you are saying and start a conversation with that as the premise
/r/PurplePillDebate10/05/26 10:07 PM
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Lmao forget all, are any?
/r/PurplePillDebate10/05/26 10:02 PM
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Pretty sure men are generally referring to different standards for different men, not changing your standard in general. Now if they have treated women better in the past then you and show no sign of that changing as a general rule. Then yeah, leave him, sounds reasonable to me
/r/PurplePillDebate10/05/26 10:01 PM
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Pretty sure I explained why I rather not, but you can Believe I cant...... guess I'll just have to continue having casual sex until the big strong masculine woman brings up the conversation for me, oh woe is me
/r/PurplePillDebate10/05/26 09:57 PM
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(Disagree with that pay gap) it just didn't make much sense to me to expect more from me in a certain area like dating just because they have it harder in others. I have definitely thought a lot about what men and women deal with in general, just the idea of expecting extra effort of myself in dating (where I generally think women have it better, very debatable though) due to this was not really something I considered
/r/PurplePillDebate10/05/26 09:52 PM
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I dunno, I feel like men already have to do a lot of extra work when it comes to dating as well (generally being the pursuers for starters) so not really..... although I of course would go out of my way to ensure she feels safe (usually just by going along with things she suggests like meeting at certain areas or something, I don't want to go out of my way trying to show her that I'm safe since I feel like that may have the opposite effect) or anything like that since I'm not blind to women's is…
/r/PurplePillDebate10/05/26 09:30 PM
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Well yeah it's understandable to feel insulted but we all have different standards and women don't seem to be shy about expressing theirs either, at least this isn't a shallow physical one.
/r/PurplePillDebate10/05/26 09:16 PM
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I'm pretty sure I don't say the women are bad, just bad relationship material...... totally fine if women want to start filtering out men with high body counts(some already do, just a lot less).
/r/PurplePillDebate10/05/26 09:12 PM
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I do tend to be a condescending ass at times you are at the very least right that im not the greatest lol From my experience, the complaining you seem to be talking about comes with being misled, But a lot of times it seems more that they feel misled (not saying majority or anything), I am not denying that a lot of men will straight up lie to get sex (like a lot lol), I just don't feel obligated to have to be the one to bring up this conversation if I'm not the one who will feel slighted if it d…
/r/PurplePillDebate10/05/26 09:10 PM
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What you were essentially trying to claim is that women feel automatically entitled to a relationship and that a man is under no obligation to state whether or not he wants a relationship. Nope, one of the reasons men aren't under some sort of obligation is precisely because women don't always want a relationship either.... i bleieve most people would totally be against the man if he started acting like the woman is a bad person for not giving him a relationship after hooking up, but for some re…
/r/PurplePillDebate10/05/26 08:57 PM
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I don't have a no relationships in general rule, I just don't want to date everyone I hook up with (not that it's a lot or anything), I feel like that is more common than anti relationship men in general (although new generation may be changing that). Sometimes I know before we hook up, sometimes later (generally don't say before asked either way though)
/r/PurplePillDebate10/05/26 08:52 PM
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Nothing is going to be ok ever! (Jk jk) Presumably less but late 30's is no spring chicken. you’re starting from an unrealistic position because women and men are not on an equal playing field with any of this Agreed there, but I don't think that means we should expect more from men than women. And seriously if it really mattered that much they could always just wait until they got into a relationship instead of having sex outside of 1 and then complaining, im never going to understand this one …
/r/PurplePillDebate10/05/26 08:48 PM
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Ok, you are openly disparaging these men so I guess you are bad as well if that's the bar
/r/PurplePillDebate10/05/26 08:33 PM
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What do you mean I didn't give it a value? It simply means under no more obligation than the woman is. I think me and you have different definitions of being decent and that sounds like a you problem right now
/r/PurplePillDebate10/05/26 08:31 PM
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Did you miss the "extra" part? Yes I am indeed saying that if neither are upfront you can't blame the man for not being upfront.
/r/PurplePillDebate10/05/26 08:14 PM
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And all I'm saying is if neither are upfront then there is no reason to act like the man did something wrong. If you aren't upfront, don't be mad at others for not giving you what you wanted (a relationship).... pretty simple
/r/PurplePillDebate10/05/26 08:09 PM
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I know you aren't, but I'm making a comparison to show the faulty/biased logic. Again, why should the responsibility fall on the man? I'm just generally going about living my life and don't feel the need to disclose everything I'm thinking to everyone. She can easily say what she wants as well you know.
/r/PurplePillDebate10/05/26 08:04 PM
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Is not disclosing body count upfront messing with the ability to make an informed decision? If women can do that without you thinking it's wrong you should be ok with this as well
/r/PurplePillDebate10/05/26 07:56 PM
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I didn't say that, I said I don't feel stronger than women in that regard. You want to try and play that "if you are a real man" card but it's pretty ridiculous in this case, I believe men and women generally have different strengths (arguable about whether it's biological or societal but not important right now)
/r/PurplePillDebate10/05/26 07:54 PM
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Obviously there will be since there has been. It seems like you know that honesty will result in that person leaving so to avoid that you avoid the conversation. I think coming right out and saying it increases the chances more than saying so later.... being upfront about that kind of thing may be seen as rude imo.
/r/PurplePillDebate10/05/26 07:51 PM
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It does, men aren't bad for engaging with a woman "degrading herself". Many women aren't even looking to get married so I don't know why you think men should assume anything
/r/PurplePillDebate10/05/26 07:48 PM
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What "relationship"? The sexual one? Not withholding anything the woman isn't also withholding
/r/PurplePillDebate10/05/26 07:46 PM
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She is an adult that can make her own decisions, if I am degrading myself I wouldn't blame those that allow me, I would blame myself.
/r/PurplePillDebate10/05/26 07:42 PM
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why would participating in something you like make you a bad person, but someone who is doing the same thing but doesn't like it wouldn't? (Supposedly) It's just illogical. You are acting like they are innocent victims but if they are engaging in casual sex they are doing so because they wanted to or they think it will help in another way (like get a relationship).
/r/PurplePillDebate10/05/26 07:28 PM
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Cool. For any men that think there are no areas in life that women are "stronger" in that might mean something. I don't have this view of myself being "stronger" with my openness with emotions
/r/PurplePillDebate10/05/26 07:23 PM
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You mentioned relationships as well.... information like that can definitely move a woman from relationship material to casual only (You seem to be under the impression I want no relationships ever, but it depends on the woman and what's going on in life at the time)
/r/PurplePillDebate10/05/26 07:20 PM
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Agree to disagree
/r/PurplePillDebate10/05/26 07:18 PM
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Many women like being degraded lol (sexual joke, not an argument). Men are not responsible for women's actions, act like an adult and take some accountability for the things you women decide to do ffs
/r/PurplePillDebate10/05/26 07:18 PM
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Generally don't know anything until something is said, I assume this only due to most women being more relationship focused than men
/r/PurplePillDebate10/05/26 07:16 PM
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Generally under the belief that things like that tend to be a mood killer, imo even if a woman would engage in casual sex she would be a bit offended if the guy tells her right away that he doesn't view her as relationship material. Also you are over playing the "can get casual sex" thing.... personally my ability to do so comes from low standards and is not as abundant with options or frequency as you make it sound.
/r/PurplePillDebate10/05/26 07:15 PM
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By this logic not disclosing body count would be in the same category right?
/r/PurplePillDebate10/05/26 07:10 PM
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I usually do, just doesn't tend to be something that's said until the "what are we" talk. I tend to just go with the flow until then. Why should the guy be obligated to bring it up?
/r/PurplePillDebate10/05/26 07:05 PM
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Due to the definitions of the words.... you are straight up basically asking "If acting like a stereotypical man in this instance makes you more masculine why doesn't acting like a woman make you more masculine?" Lol
/r/PurplePillDebate10/05/26 07:03 PM
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Getting laid, yes...... lying to get laid? No
/r/PurplePillDebate10/05/26 07:01 PM
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Why? I'm not seeing how this would make women less accountable for their own actions and it being justified to just paint men as the bad one
/r/PurplePillDebate10/05/26 07:00 PM
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Because they aren't lol. I would call both idiots
/r/PurplePillDebate10/05/26 06:57 PM
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I never denied that part though lol
/r/PurplePillDebate10/05/26 06:56 PM
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That sounds like the opposite of bragging lol (also not what most men say is happening in their lives)
/r/PurplePillDebate10/05/26 06:55 PM
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Doing relationship things does not mean relationship, it just means you like doing relationship things. That's why there's a difference between things like FWB/fuck buddy.
/r/PurplePillDebate10/05/26 06:54 PM
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I'm also not into cars/guns. Human beings tend to be masculine/feminine/strong/weak in different ways And last I checked, being open with your feelings was seen as feminine trait
/r/PurplePillDebate10/05/26 06:52 PM
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You can keep saying it all you want but that doesn't mean I have to agree that when a man and woman do the same thing the man is bad for doing it and not the woman
/r/PurplePillDebate10/05/26 06:50 PM
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Depends what you mean by leading on Friendzone is a good example/comparison actually.... sucky situation but doesn't mean the other person owes you anything or did anything wrong Used for money is a more one sided endeavor than sex/friendship is though so I would probably put this one in a different category
/r/PurplePillDebate10/05/26 06:47 PM
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Most men do not brag about lying to women to get sex..... because why would they lol
/r/PurplePillDebate10/05/26 06:44 PM
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So did she so it would be pretty hypocritical of her to think poorly of the guy in that situation
/r/PurplePillDebate10/05/26 06:43 PM
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So you are unironically telling me you are getting your beliefs about the average man/woman from this sub?
/r/PurplePillDebate10/05/26 06:41 PM
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Intentionally leaving out the part where she acts like the guy did something wrong (not withdrawing sex)? That's the entire point of the post ffs
/r/PurplePillDebate10/05/26 06:40 PM
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highly disagree, not sure where you are getting this info from, but it sounds made up
/r/PurplePillDebate10/05/26 06:38 PM
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I don't Call her manipulative if she withdraws sex though, this is something you are making up.
/r/PurplePillDebate10/05/26 06:37 PM
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Again.... I only called it manipulation if your belief that they have 0 interest in casual sex was true (otherwise why do it). If they just caught feelings? Yeah that's normal and as long as they don't pretend the guy did something wrong then I'm not seeing a problem
/r/PurplePillDebate10/05/26 06:35 PM
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Nope. Only offended if they act like I did something wrong. You literally claim she’s manipulating you Only in your scenario where she doesn't have any other reason to have sex with the guy
/r/PurplePillDebate10/05/26 06:33 PM
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Not regularly, but yes a lot more than 1% of women have hooked up and still calling bull on it usually being Don through deception. Even you call it manipulation and claim to be a victim when a woman catches feelings and decides to withdraw sexual access as a result. I did not... I called it manipulation if your viewpoint of women having no interest in casual sex was true. I disagree with this premise though
/r/PurplePillDebate10/05/26 06:31 PM
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Not offended someone wants a relationship, offended that they are accusing men of doing something wrong by not giving them a relationship..... big difference. I'm sure if you just imagined a man feeling entitled to a relationship after hooking up you will understand better since you clearly have a strong bias. Sexual partner is worthless. As I established, a man who is there for sex alone is worthless. I don't care what you "established", doesn't make it justifiable to try and use sex to get wha…
/r/PurplePillDebate10/05/26 06:27 PM
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BS, where are you getting this belief that 99% of hookups are done using deception? Just making up things
/r/PurplePillDebate10/05/26 06:24 PM
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And so what? It’s common sense to expect a romantic partner Sexual partner does not equal romantic partner. Yes. Men and women are different, remember? How does that justify women trying to use sex to get what they want and then being mad when it doesn't work? Sounds pretty manipulative and "diabolical" to me.
/r/PurplePillDebate10/05/26 06:22 PM
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Specifically talking about those that do sleep with them if you haven’t noticed.
/r/PurplePillDebate10/05/26 06:19 PM
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So 2 people engage in an activity and you think men are bad for enjoying said consensual activity? Wtf Casual sex has zero benefit for women besides degradation. Well fuck that makes things worse if anything.... sounds like they are just using it to try and get something from men and being mad at men when it doesn't work. Not sure why you thought this would paint men in the bad light here lol
/r/PurplePillDebate10/05/26 06:17 PM
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If you are mad at a guy simply for not wanting a relationship after sex then yes you are being entitled.... no different than if a guy was mad at you for not putting out after paying for dinner
/r/PurplePillDebate10/05/26 06:12 PM
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You said hooking up without a relationship is sociopath behavior.... this would include the women they are hooking up with so wouldn't be an issue (not that I agree that its sociopath behavior) Edit: And my post is centered around women if anything since I'm pointing out their double standard
/r/PurplePillDebate10/05/26 06:10 PM
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Takes 2 to tango
/r/PurplePillDebate10/05/26 06:03 PM
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I’m not sure where you get the idea that women feel entitled to a relationship. We are allowed to want one and filter out degenerates and sociopaths. Whenever a woman is acting like a man did something wrong for not wanting a relationship but still sleeping with the woman.... are you suggesting this isn't a thing because you just saying there's women who know they aren't entitled to a relationship doesn't negate the existence of those that do think they are. And yes many men are going to have co…
/r/PurplePillDebate10/05/26 06:02 PM
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Followed my advice? What advice? This bullishit isn’t going to work? Why not go out and try and prove everyone wrong? I have, seems to "work"..... again, unless you are suggesting I would have gotten laid more if I was telling more women that I didn't want a relationship with them which you like to dance around No matter how smart any person think they are, the game is still the game. Oh yeah because men who aren't coming right out and saying they don't want a relationship with a woman totally t…
/r/PurplePillDebate10/05/26 05:36 PM
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That's how it should be, not necessarily the case sadly
/r/PurplePillDebate10/05/26 05:31 PM
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TLDR: worse than bad Like I said
/r/PurplePillDebate10/05/26 05:30 PM
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I'm more of a on basis kind of guy, if they were upper tier I would want that relationship......... so it seems like if I followed your advice it would have just ended with me having less sex right? You critique guys listening to RP beliefs while spouting stuff that won't help them either Although I agree the guys at the bottom aren't going to trick women on a higher tier, not sure who is trying to argue otherwise though
/r/PurplePillDebate10/05/26 05:13 PM
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Sure, just saying that it's not up to the man to communicate his intentions any more than it is for the woman
/r/PurplePillDebate10/05/26 04:58 PM
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Not telling women upfront that you don't want a relationship with them is not something men learn online, maybe you are too young to know this has always been a belief in many men. Thank you for posting that picture and confirming that you have no idea what you are talking about. Redpill may exaggerate, but the underlying belief of a minority or men "sharing" the majority of women is statistically accurate (and the ability for more attractive women to "lock down chad") https://www.aarp.org/famil…
/r/PurplePillDebate10/05/26 04:54 PM
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Your 1st and 2nd paragraph go against each other lol. Pretty sure I didn't write anything about men lying to women yet you pretended I did and argued against that instead. I’m rejecting your entire narrative. Ok, you know that doesn't make it less strawman-ey to create a different narrative to argue against right?
/r/PurplePillDebate10/05/26 04:45 PM
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Agreed, but plenty of people act like the man did something wrong in this scenario
/r/PurplePillDebate10/05/26 04:41 PM
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It DOES reinforce the reasons WHY women have to be wary of what men actually say. So once again- the losers trying it fuck themselves with there own mouths. This would only be true if it never worked and/or it was the same guys. And no amount of polishing is gonna make anyone think it’s not a turd So in your opinion the amount of sexual partners would have stayed the same? You don't think some of them would have been turned off by being told upfront that there was no way I was going to date them…
/r/PurplePillDebate10/05/26 04:41 PM
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So instead of arguing against what I said you decide to argue against a strawman? Interesting
/r/PurplePillDebate10/05/26 04:32 PM
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I never suggested to do anything to outsmart them. Just calling out a hypocritical belief that men are somehow in the wrong for not communicating when the woman didn't either. Although now I'm curious, so in your opinion I would have had more sex if I was telling more women that I only wanted something casual? Can't say I agree
/r/PurplePillDebate10/05/26 04:30 PM
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You did not. You showed you don't know how definitions work lol
/r/PurplePillDebate10/05/26 04:13 PM
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Dude wtf are you talking about? What have I said would be considered "manifesting"? You seem to want to start a different argument here than what I am talking about
/r/PurplePillDebate10/05/26 03:53 PM
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Yes and it also includes the word bad lol. Not sure you know how words work lol. Terrible is seen as worse than bad, there are levels to things. You can't even detect when a guy is being entitled. You obviously can't lol
/r/PurplePillDebate10/05/26 03:49 PM
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Yes I said those thing because it's not my interpretation, it is literally in the dictionary even if you technically can be considered a fuckboy without manipulating/lying Like sexism also includes that it's especially when it's against women for similar reasons of perceived commonality and historical origin of the word. You seem to misunderstanding my claim or intentionally arguing a strawman You think you were the first one to post it?? Do you have a point here?
/r/PurplePillDebate10/05/26 03:43 PM
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"I" interpret? It's literally in the dictionary, get tf out of here with this BS. And I never said Inkshell. RP/maxers/alpa-bros etc. all running the same “look at me little boys! I can tell you what you want to hear! Now join with others and like and subscribe!” Again, what is your point and what does it have to do with me?
/r/PurplePillDebate10/05/26 03:33 PM
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It's not implying it's morally right to sleep with him and immorally wrong not to though. For this to be true they would have to believe all women that don't want to sleep with them is morally wrong and not just someone who has hooked up a lot in the past
/r/PurplePillDebate10/05/26 03:27 PM
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They feel this way after the hookup, treating the other person as having done something wrong by not giving you what you want is a perfect example of feeling entitled
/r/PurplePillDebate10/05/26 03:25 PM
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Bad thing does not equal terrible, important distinction. You're trying to argue over causing people distress to be terrible. You're trying to pretend comparing children to baggage is the same thing as saying "I prefer not dating single moms". Yuppers You haven't shown it's hypocritical. You just pretend men acting entitled isn't a big deal and that pumping and dumping women isn't a big deal. Your post requires to reframes actions as not being that bad. No I'm saying neither should be acting ent…
/r/PurplePillDebate10/05/26 03:24 PM
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It says especially for a reason (not just "includes", but "especially"), it's not a necessary part of it, but it was indeed created for this reason..... do you just think it was added into the dictionary for shits and giggles? Ffs And it’s not “good for me”. It’s “this is the reality from those that did it. Not the lying losers online circle jerking into each others mouths and calling them ‘pills’” What are you even talking about? What does any of this have to do with what I said? I'm no incel e…
/r/PurplePillDebate10/05/26 03:20 PM
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That's just you not knowing the definition "belief that one is deserving of or entitled to certain privileges" Legality/force isn't a necessary condition
/r/PurplePillDebate10/05/26 03:14 PM
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Where does it say he’s a lying manipulator? Think you missed the 2nd part lol. ........This is what I mean by listening to a bunch of sexless losers kind in posts and til toks teaches young men shit about fuck. Failing to see relevance, but good for you I guess
/r/PurplePillDebate10/05/26 03:12 PM
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It literally isn't, where does it say that terrible people are those without social tact or vice versa? Then stop making posts about women calling out assholes and stop saying people are strawmanning when they call out unhinged comments. I'm making a post about a hypocritical standard..... why would me being ok with being an asshole mean I shouldn't? So you're not fine with being called out, as I said. I'm not fine with making up things. Is that so weird?
/r/PurplePillDebate10/05/26 03:10 PM
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The Women lying about it are not the women sleeping with him in this context correct? The other 2 are him thinking negative reasons associated with the choice, not that he is entitled to sex in itself.
/r/PurplePillDebate10/05/26 03:06 PM
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Ummmm Because it's saying that he is a lying manipulator.... would you not feel shame if that's what you were known as and it was accurate?
/r/PurplePillDebate10/05/26 03:04 PM
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Yes there is, didn't say there wasn't.... just not an example of dehumanizing. Yes. Distressing people makes a person terrible, as do most people agree. You keep proving you want to be an asshole, you just dont like being called out on it. Highly disagree that the majority of people think those without enough social tact are "terrible people" And I am totally fine with being an asshole lol, doesn't mean I will agree that everything I do makes me an asshole (overall? Yeah I kind of am lol)
/r/PurplePillDebate10/05/26 03:03 PM
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Actually after re-reading none of these things say she is wrong for not sleeping with the guy, just that he thinks it's because she is not into him..... this doesn't mean that she is wrong for not sleeping with him, he just thinks it shows a lack of interest. Even if it's dumb and he is wrong he is not saying she is a bad person for not sleeping with him
/r/PurplePillDebate10/05/26 02:55 PM
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For the millionth time There's a difference between an analogy that happens to be negative and an analogy that is trying to justify treating a group of people as less than human..... this is a very important distinction and it serves 0 good in trying to conflate the 2, stop trying to water down the word dehumanization it's pretty important to understand the difference. Being offensive and distressing, especially insulting children, is terrible. Pretty low bar if saying something that may distres…
/r/PurplePillDebate10/05/26 02:51 PM
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It is. It's saying she's wrong for not doing it and that she's a bad person. Lmao where? Literally just making up things
/r/PurplePillDebate10/05/26 02:44 PM
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It was created to shame men by salty women, plain and simple. It even says that it is especially meant for men that manipulate/lie for a similar reason. It wouldn't be a derogatory term if it just meant the men were similar aged boy toys. What tactic? Once again, did you not read your own OP? I’m starting to think GPT was used and just uploaded, cause it’s clear you can’t recall your own post words. You just have a weird way of interpreting things, I didn't lay out any tactics
/r/PurplePillDebate10/05/26 02:42 PM
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You specifically claimed they created a term for men they don't want to date but it's literally a term they created for men that don't want to date them and they are salty about it. Go back to my analogy of chess. Really sit with it for a while and digest the fact that “internet tactics from sexless boys talking to each other” don’t mean shit in the real world What does this have to do with what I'm saying? What tactic am I talking about? Because if you are talking about just not making it clear…
/r/PurplePillDebate10/05/26 02:35 PM
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Read the comments, they sure do
/r/PurplePillDebate10/05/26 02:29 PM
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I think most people wouldn't consider this dehumanizing. Just like most people value social tact. Sure they value it, but this doesn't make not following it "terrible"
/r/PurplePillDebate10/05/26 02:29 PM
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No idea what you are talking about unless you mean when I bring up something others start arguing about something else.... I gave the context, not sure what else you want or how fake/random quotes would improve the context in the slightest. Thinking a woman is wrong because she wouldn’t have sex with a guy is entitlement." But those examples aren't saying she should do anything, just how they are going to respond to her actions.... that's not entitlement that's just normal human interactions and…
/r/PurplePillDebate10/05/26 02:27 PM
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Your claim was that women made a term for men they don't want to commit to, but it's a term they made for men that don't want to commit to them. And men aren’t “taught” to be wary of relationships. Dudes like sex. Are you kidding me? liking sex and liking relationships are 2 different things and With the redpill existing you can't really claim that men aren't being taught to be wary of relationships (how common is a different story). Also talking about losing everything in divorce has been a thi…
/r/PurplePillDebate10/05/26 02:23 PM
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But women not communicating doesn't make them immoral liars?
/r/PurplePillDebate10/05/26 02:18 PM
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"Terrible thing" lol
/r/PurplePillDebate10/05/26 02:18 PM
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To show a comparison..... duh Notice how I gave context and you didn't. What context do you need other than the umbrella example of thinking a man did something wrong for not wanting a relationship after hooking up? Meanwhile, you couldn't even figure out the examples of entitlement I listed was entitlement. 2 out of 3 of those things were "she didn't do "insert thing here" so I'm going to do/not do "insert thing here", that's not entitlement, no where does it suggest he is entitled to anything.…
/r/PurplePillDebate10/05/26 02:17 PM
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The term fuckboy means a dude who hookups with a lot of women and THEY just use him for sex. The women literally made a term for a guy they DONT want to commit to. Bruh, do you even understand what words mean?! Lmao way too judgemental for someone so wrong Merrium webster ": a man who pursues frequent casual sex while avoiding romantic commitment especially : such a man who manipulates or deceives women (as by pretending real affection or love) in order to gain and keep sexual partners" And no b…
/r/PurplePillDebate10/05/26 02:13 PM
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I don't, I care about women not being called for their entitlement (also when people think complaining about a situation means you felt entitled to something different, like can't someone complain about something without this assumption?)
/r/PurplePillDebate10/05/26 02:09 PM
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I also have to say, me and you have had MANY interactions, the fact that you started remembering me due to calling someone else's kids baggage is so weird to me.... like really that is the worst thing I have said? Sounds so so so very tame to me lol
/r/PurplePillDebate10/05/26 02:07 PM
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Thinking a woman is wrong because she wouldn’t have sex with a guy is entitlement. Which is why most men don't do this, just hold women to the same standard is all I'm asking. Just like if a guy doesnt say “men dont want women’s baggage (kids)” most people wouldn’t care that he’s not interested in a single mom. Yes you care how things are said even if it means the same thing
/r/PurplePillDebate10/05/26 02:02 PM
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And guys who pull usually don’t need to lie. In fact most women respect the fact that they aren’t playing any games. They say what they mean and the girls that don’t want it don’t jump into it. The ones that do like the fact dude doesn’t think she’s dumb enough to fall for fake as shit. Doubt this, the term fuckboy was created for a reason, because apparently they are succeeding. Like I said. It’s men fucking each other then wondering why women don’t want to fuck them. By this logic women are al…
/r/PurplePillDebate10/05/26 01:49 PM
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Because it's not adding anything A majority of men in this country cited male grievances as a significant reason as to why they elected the retarded pedophile. Source? That sounds made up as hell If almost half of women voted for him and barely more than half of men did, then wouldn't that suggest more women would have voted for him than men if the male grievances weren't addressed? (By your logic?
/r/PurplePillDebate10/05/26 01:37 PM
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No I'm saying they are both doing the same thing, if YOU want to see that as hiding intent and lying then you have to hold women to the same standard. It’s all guys fucking each other over with their own mouths by lying. Pretty sure the guys doing the pumping and dumping aren't the same guys complaining they don't get a shot lol
/r/PurplePillDebate10/05/26 01:36 PM
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He isn't hiding his intention anymore than the woman is, either they both are lying or neither is
/r/PurplePillDebate10/05/26 01:16 PM
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2nd paragraph is a bunch of assumptions, but if you are saying I was wrong I'm glad you are at least consistent
/r/PurplePillDebate10/05/26 01:12 PM
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That isn't pretending to want a relationship or lying.... not sure why you think it is but English disagrees
/r/PurplePillDebate10/05/26 01:11 PM
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Well put
/r/PurplePillDebate10/05/26 01:10 PM
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Yes it is.... was that so hard? (Could also just not mention men or women and just say that the majority of people voted for him) Now for your next self improvement task you should try not to bring up trump as much (going out on a limb that you try to shoehorn him into a lot of conversations
/r/PurplePillDebate10/05/26 01:09 PM
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Where is someone pretending to want a relationship? You are just making up things
/r/PurplePillDebate10/05/26 01:07 PM
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Acting like the other person did something wrong because you didn't get the result you wanted is like the perfect example of entitlement lol You are entitled to honesty from a romantic partner, Guys are neither being dishonest or even have a "romantic" partner in this example
/r/PurplePillDebate10/05/26 12:59 PM
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I'd rather you just not blame men for him winning when literally almost half of women voted for him, is that an option? Lol (if not, why not)
/r/PurplePillDebate10/05/26 12:56 PM
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Lying about the post while claiming that men are the untrustworthy ones..... yup this is reddit lol
/r/PurplePillDebate10/05/26 12:52 PM
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Not anymore required than the woman explaining what she wants
/r/PurplePillDebate10/05/26 12:51 PM
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I agree that if she was upfront about her intentions than he should be as well, but not going to talk against a guy shooting his shot anyways
/r/PurplePillDebate10/05/26 12:49 PM
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So why fixate on the men if it's not due to sexism?
/r/PurplePillDebate10/05/26 12:46 PM
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Most of those things aren't even entitlement lol. Not having a relationship with someone due to their behavior is just how dating goes.... you may dislike certain standards but that is not entitlement. Sleeping with you but not wanting a relationship is not manipilative that's just women feeling entitled
/r/PurplePillDebate10/05/26 12:43 PM
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How is it that a man would be lying by omission but not the woman? You know damn well you would not be on the man's side if he started acting entitled to a relationship with the woman after hooking up, quit trying to pretend otherwise
/r/PurplePillDebate10/05/26 12:38 PM
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You know almost half of women voted for him as well.... seems kind of sexist to fixate on the men
/r/PurplePillDebate10/05/26 12:34 PM
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Yes it does My point is to call out this kind of entitlement and to pushback against demonizing men for not wanting a relationship with a woman they slept with
/r/PurplePillDebate10/05/26 12:30 PM
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Never claimed I don't have an axe to grind. And women definitely act more entitled imo as this comment section is illustrating
/r/PurplePillDebate10/05/26 12:23 PM
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No thanks, I prefer the immature jester persona lol
/r/PurplePillDebate10/05/26 12:21 PM
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Then it's a lie. How is it a lie? That makes no sense but that doesn't mean that it's okay to approach without intend to see if it will work out, that it's about relationship. Of course it's okay to approach without intent to see if it will work out, why wouldn't it be?
/r/PurplePillDebate10/05/26 12:20 PM
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Definitely don't hold myself as mature lol You clearly know what you’re doing and what clarity you’re operating by making this post. Not even sure what this sentence means due to the "clarity you're operating" part.
/r/PurplePillDebate10/05/26 12:17 PM
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I can agree there is some gray area with the duration of daring, but honestly if they didn't distance themselves after then even that one becomes moot
/r/PurplePillDebate10/05/26 12:14 PM
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Why would it be the guys responsibility to make sure they are both on the same page? Seems simpler for the one that will have a problem to either bring it up themselves or simply not sleep with someone they aren't in a relationship with if it's so important to them
/r/PurplePillDebate10/05/26 12:12 PM
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Quite often true from what I have seen, more often than men lying to get sex at least Even on dating apps there is this point about what are you looking for? Yes there is, but a lot of women seem to forget there is a difference between wanting a relationship in general and wanting a relationship with them. Even the times I did want a relationship (I go back and forth) didn't stop me from sleeping with a woman I didn't want a relationship with.
/r/PurplePillDebate10/05/26 12:11 PM
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So I make a post about not being open with intentions(on both sides) and you argue a strawman about men lying?
/r/PurplePillDebate10/05/26 12:08 PM
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Pretty much But no, I don’t think you’re obligated to announce your intentions when you first meet someone because you may not know your own intentions. Yuppers, and intentions also vary between people, like maybe the guy is actually interested in a relationship, but just not with the woman he is with
/r/PurplePillDebate10/05/26 12:06 PM
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I agree people shouldn't be lying, but that doesn't argue against my claim that the person who doesn't want the relationship isn't doing anything different than the person who does if neither is communicating what they want.
/r/PurplePillDebate10/05/26 12:02 PM
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Stringing along entails intentionally misleading/deceiving If all they did was not tell you they aren't interested in a relationship then how are they more to blame for not communicating?
/r/PurplePillDebate10/05/26 11:58 AM
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If they are successful men they are probably pretty good at things like consistency and doing things you don't want to but need to. Not sure why them not wanting a relationship would matter more than their proven track record with these things. (Also some men are more traditional with them seeing the father's role as different to the mothers)
/r/PurplePillDebate10/05/26 11:16 AM
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Well he did mention the age gap double standard one, but yeah that's the only one he mentioned and definitely could have done better
/r/PurplePillDebate07/05/26 05:30 PM
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Using it in these circumstances is indeed dumb, congratulations on defeating that strawman
/r/PurplePillDebate05/05/26 09:39 AM
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Using it in these circumstances is indeed dumb, congratulations on defeating that strawman
/r/PurplePillDebate05/05/26 09:28 AM
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“Put yourself out there + no results = not a catch” isn’t as reliable as you’re making it sound. Really? How reliable am I making it sound? I didn't say 100% reliable or anything.... in fact I made a clear decision to say things like "probably" "put money on" "more likely than not" etc...... maybe it's more of an issue of what you heard than what I said. And we don’t even know what OP is actually doing. Both of us are guessing there. We don't...... which is why I agreed that this only counts if …
/r/PurplePillDebate30/04/26 08:45 PM
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We already agreed that this only works if you put yourself out there, what's the point of trying to argue under the assumption that they aren't? Talk is cheap, proof is in the pudding, actions speak louder than words, results speak for themselves. No, the whole point is saying someone is a catch isn’t the same as wanting them. I think my nephew is a catch - I don't want to date my nephew. Many people believe their family members are catches.... doesn’t make it true (also doesn’t make it false tb…
/r/PurplePillDebate30/04/26 05:59 PM
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You’re acting like it’s one universal standard measured by who gets picked the most, and it’s not. What one person sees as a catch, another person won’t. That’s the whole point. No the whole point is even the person saying it doesn't actually think they are a catch since they don't even want them. You keep acting like I'm saying that to be a catch everyone needs to want you, but I'm stating if no one wants you then you most likely aren't a catch, 2 VERY DIFFERENT things
/r/PurplePillDebate30/04/26 05:44 PM
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Oh no someone used an analogy! Lmao
/r/PurplePillDebate30/04/26 05:16 PM
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Yup, which basically means that he has nice qualities for a guy even if overall he isn't actually a catch, people want a catch, if no one wants you then you aren't a really catch...... congrats on the nice qualities you do have though I suppose
/r/PurplePillDebate30/04/26 05:15 PM
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Agreed They are not happening in a vacuum, I just think that more often than not they are probably just talking about qualities they like but not enough that they are actually going to be interested by it. Like when they say something about how nice/sweet or whatever their friend is, quality they would love to have in a guy..... a guy they are already interested in
/r/PurplePillDebate30/04/26 04:00 PM
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Are there possible other explanations? Sure. Would rather put money on the jacket just not actually being that great OP's whole “proof is in the pudding” list is passive as hell . He's basically saying stand there and wait to be chosen, then use that as your scorecard. Nothing in that is proactive. Not true (although more passive than should be), dating apps is putting yourself out there and "more open to sex and relationships" can be taken either way although I would imagine it being about whet…
/r/PurplePillDebate30/04/26 01:13 PM
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You are confusing what he said, he specifically mentions many people to avoid what you are saying..... if one person doesn't want that jacket that may just be their preference, if no one wants that jacket it's probably not that great of a jacket
/r/PurplePillDebate30/04/26 12:45 PM
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Pretty much how I see it. Red Pill is too radical/extreme for me but I lean that way more than blue
/r/PurplePillDebate29/04/26 05:34 PM
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The irony of lemon gecko (or Lilith) saying men are impossible to talk to lmao
/r/PurplePillDebate29/04/26 11:42 AM
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It also had university students.... it also goes along with the theory that the reason women are often seen with assholes is perceived confidence. Either way it seems a lot more reliable than your theory that seems to be just wishful thinking or at best anecdotal
/r/PurplePillDebate28/04/26 06:09 PM
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Lilith still not knowing what dehumanizing means lol. Show of hands Who here actually is as blunt IRL (especially around women/men you are interested in) as they are on this sub? Ffs we shouldn't have to pretty up our language just to get women like OP to stop strawmanning
/r/PurplePillDebate28/04/26 01:30 PM
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Actually if you look more into the data men don't cheat as they age it is more of a generational issue (in the past there wasn't a difference between young and older men cheating rates)
/r/PurplePillDebate28/04/26 12:21 AM
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Of course if it's framed that way it makes sense to actually argue the topic..... but if it's not then the person is just dismissing the topic
/r/PurplePillDebate25/04/26 06:23 AM
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Disagreeing with the cause of an issue isn't derailing.... it's literally talking about the issue. Such an immature take to say it's ok for you to derail topics since others disagree on the cause of your topic..... not that they are derailing your topic, just merely Disagreeing with the cause, wow.
/r/PurplePillDebate24/04/26 07:53 PM
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That would only work if the topic is specifically negative aspects of dating..... if it's about a particular issue in dating then bringing up an entirely different issue isn't trying to have a conversation about the issue it's trying to say it doesn't matter
/r/PurplePillDebate24/04/26 07:46 PM
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I'm aware..... but you do admit that this is different than just bringing up a different issue altogether right?
/r/PurplePillDebate24/04/26 07:31 PM
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Agreed, but just because we disagree on the cause doesn't change the fact that we are still talking about the same issue. Do you not see why that is vastly different than when someone brings up an issue instead of discussing it you say "who cares about your X issue when my Y issue exists".
/r/PurplePillDebate24/04/26 07:27 PM
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What kind of logic is that? People aren't talking about the same issue unless they agree on the cause? Do you not understand how ridiculous you are sounding right now? It's 100% related, you just don't care about opinions that differ from yours apparently
/r/PurplePillDebate24/04/26 07:22 PM
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No it isn't lol it's just them arguing/disagreeing about the cause of the issue. Ffs do you really not understand the difference here?
/r/PurplePillDebate24/04/26 07:16 PM
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Not what I was saying..... you gave examples of men actually talking about the issue women were presenting whereas OP is talking about when the issue being talked about is ignored and they just bring up their own issue instead. TLDR comparison fail
/r/PurplePillDebate24/04/26 06:53 PM
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You just gave examples of them criticizing their point instead of using a whataboutism..... not a great example lol
/r/PurplePillDebate24/04/26 06:35 PM
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You’re right that rejection is “doing something” in the literal sense. No one’s arguing that. You were literally arguing that lmao even tried to differentiate it from asking someone out which is also not doing anything wrong to someone. And yeah, not everyone turns that into bitterness. But a lot of people who use “friend zone” language do exactly that, because they frame it like something happened to them instead of just no mutual interest. Something did happen to them, they were rejected and o…
/r/PurplePillDebate24/04/26 01:40 PM
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No one’s acting on anyone. No one’s being wronged. I feel this is the crux of the issue. You seem to be conflating "doing something" and "doing something wrong". Rejection is a part of life and rejecting someone isn't wrong..... doesn't change the fact you are rejecting someone And the entitlement part comes in when you frame a “no” as something done to you. That’s when it turns into “I was treated unfairly” or “she did this to me.” Maybe in your mind, but just like being rejected for a job this…
/r/PurplePillDebate24/04/26 01:30 PM
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Yes, it's the person trying to create something and the other person saying no..... both are interactions with each other that affects the other person. Why would one be seen as doing something to someone but not the other? Who is talking about entitlement? You just have a weird way of defining things
/r/PurplePillDebate24/04/26 12:51 PM
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What do you mean "acted on you"? If asking someone out is something seen as someone doing something to another so is rejecting someone. I'm a little loss at your definition of "acted on you", are you under the impression it has to be physical or negative to count or something?
/r/PurplePillDebate24/04/26 12:45 PM
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I agree it's dumb to act like you are in the friendzone when you never even took your shot And even if they do say they’re interested and she’s not, that’s still not something being done to them. There was no action against them, it’s just a lack of interest. That’s how it works. That's still them rejecting the interested party, saying "that's how it works" doesn't magically change things lol.
/r/PurplePillDebate24/04/26 11:16 AM
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Something was done and they were indeed put in the friendzone At the very least what's being done is rejection (not saying the one rejecting is wrong for doing so) Unless the person just automatically views anyone that comes up to them in a friendly manner as non-datable then yes they did indeed decide to sort the other person into the friend only category
/r/PurplePillDebate24/04/26 07:05 AM
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Some dude that acts like Mr. Roger's and gets laid all the time sounds like a funny character for a show
/r/PurplePillDebate22/04/26 06:58 PM
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To be fair it's kind of attractiveness in general, no reason to fixate on the weight part. As a chubby chaser myself in my admittedly 1 person experience, yeah there is still a big difference between the levels of attractiveness in big girls and how they approach dating because of it....... like RP tends to say men generally have to be willing to date lower to be able to engage in casual sex
/r/PurplePillDebate22/04/26 04:33 PM
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All depends on how delusional her standards are, if she only desires the best looking while being ugly she probably won't be having that much casual sex. However Statistics do seem to suggest that ugly/average women are indeed having more sex than the average/ugly male Https://www.aarp.org/family-relationships/better-looking-people-are-not-having-more-sex/ "Number of Partners: For women, the number of sexual partners decreases as physical attractiveness increases, whereas for men, the number of …
/r/PurplePillDebate22/04/26 02:03 PM
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I agree that it's not the norm, which is why I started off by saying that just because most men don't benefit from it doesn't mean they shouldn't defend people's rights to date who they want (as long as 2 consenting adults of course)
/r/PurplePillDebate12/04/26 04:37 PM
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But I didn't say any BS, so why on my comment? That is indeed weird
/r/PurplePillDebate12/04/26 04:23 PM
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Oh so you have some obsession and are just saying things that don't relate to someone's comment? That's pretty weird
/r/PurplePillDebate12/04/26 04:13 PM
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But why on my comment?
/r/PurplePillDebate12/04/26 04:07 PM
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What did I say that would make you reply to my comment about men lying? I only mentioned that you can defend something without benefitting from it and that some younger women will hook up with older men even without the $$$
/r/PurplePillDebate12/04/26 04:01 PM
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And what lies have I told?
/r/PurplePillDebate12/04/26 03:45 PM
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Tropes don't have to be 100% accurate to be a thing
/r/PurplePillDebate12/04/26 11:54 AM
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So you think men shouldn't be defending something unless they personally benefit from it? Even I have had an age gap "relationship" before (wasn't an actual relationship but there was sex) and I assure you I was no catch beyond being 6ft. Some Men are going to continue to date young women and the older women are just going to have to stop being so bitter about it
/r/PurplePillDebate12/04/26 11:51 AM
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This is why you judge by looking at the woman in which of the 3 main cases the relationship is The logic falls apart when you are assuming something bad is happening simply because a man is dating a woman that is stereotypically what men want...... like why would you assume bad intentions/relationship like that instead of assuming the guy was just able to date a woman that he likes?
/r/PurplePillDebate08/04/26 09:43 PM
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Why not talk negative? There's a grown ass man with white hair strands eyeing a young woman fresh out of college.
/r/PurplePillDebate08/04/26 08:17 PM
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Do you really want to die on the hill of judging men for the actions of their woman? Doesn't seem any better long version Yes you are judging the man by the woman's personality right? And this is because that personality aligns with being able to be taken advantage of right? That means you are judging men based on their ability to do something. This is really that spongebob meme of that mantis villain trying to give Patrick his wallet. But either way doesn't make it better, you are either judgin…
/r/PurplePillDebate08/04/26 07:32 PM
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But that is you literally judging the man on his ability to do it (based on her personality) lmao, what part of this isn't computing to you?
/r/PurplePillDebate08/04/26 06:54 PM
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Yes, but it's because you believe that personality enables them to be taken advantage of..... why else would you be judging the man negatively for something the woman is doing?
/r/PurplePillDebate08/04/26 06:43 PM
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Those are the women who are usually easily manipulated. Yes based on the personality that makes it possible. You are literally judging men by their mere ability to do something bad
/r/PurplePillDebate08/04/26 06:21 PM
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Yes you are making assumptions based on the man's ability to do something.... pretty poor logic in general
/r/PurplePillDebate08/04/26 05:06 PM
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Looks like we have ended up back here No, i am judging possible grooming by maturity levels. So you are judging the fact that they might be able to do something bad if they wanted to? Wow, the logic with that one You are indeed judging based on the fact that you think they might be able to do something.
/r/PurplePillDebate08/04/26 02:35 PM
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So if she isn't hard assed career woman and/or a wild chick you are going to assume grooming? You do realize those are not qualities that men usually prefer right? This whole thing seems like you think men shouldn't go after what they like (or at least judged negatively for it)...... most attractive age range? Nah, she isn't "adult enough", want her to actually be pleasant instead of combative? How dare men lmao they should be with boss bitches and gold digging party girls
/r/PurplePillDebate07/04/26 11:58 PM
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No, i am judging possible grooming by maturity levels. So you are judging the fact that they might be able to do something bad if they wanted to? Wow, the logic with that one through life and not getting any wiser is not worthy of anything else but shame. Apparently also worthy of hooking up with young women by your logic
/r/PurplePillDebate07/04/26 11:37 PM
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So now we are judging relationships by maturity level? Lol So the less mature the middle aged man is the better?
/r/PurplePillDebate07/04/26 11:21 PM
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What's your point? Should they not date in general or do you think that older penis will traumatize them or something? lol Some will agree, some won't care and some will frown. Well duh, what part of this means people shouldn't point out the flaws and inconsistencies in their logic?
/r/PurplePillDebate07/04/26 10:59 PM
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So? Is she an adult capable of making her own choices of who to date or not? Is it somehow wrong to want to date an adult you and most men see as attractive? It makes no sense to chastise men for dating attractive women. Isn't the man making the decision for the woman pretty infantalizing? Like if she wants to date him it's pretty arrogant of him to say no just because he thinks he knows better than her who she should date. I said he behaves the same in a relationship Exactly, If he isn't harmin…
/r/PurplePillDebate07/04/26 09:07 PM
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Second out of 3 is hardly "one of the most common". You said there were 3 main types and named the least of the three. So you either are calling it the #1 most common or the 2nd most common...... you literally can't get more "one of the most common" than that lmao I don't think English being your 2nd language is the problem here, just dishonesty at this point Why not talk negative? There's a grown ass man with white hair strands eyeing a young woman fresh out of college. You mean an adult eyeing…
/r/PurplePillDebate07/04/26 08:01 PM
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You said it was one of the most common types of age gap relationships (like the 2nd most common). If they are acting the same then you agree that there shouldn't be any negative talk against the men that are dating younger women then right?
/r/PurplePillDebate07/04/26 06:28 PM
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Gold digger and trophy wife are insulting terms to the woman, What's your point? You asked for examples...... and like I mentioned, may not have a term for it, but women loving a man making 6 figures is a straight up meme, to suggest otherwise would be disingenuous. and* there’s the implication that the woman is fully aware of the situation and likes it that way. Very different from how it is for the mail order bride stereotypes Not really, the woman in the 1st world "likes it that way" because …
/r/PurplePillDebate07/04/26 05:18 PM
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Who said I can't? Such a weird thing to just assume. Gold diggers, trophy wife, many women obsessing over a man that makes 6 figures or more, dating doctors always been a "win" for women (although that one is money + status).... this is just so common
/r/PurplePillDebate07/04/26 04:44 PM
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I'm calling bull Sugar babies and tradwives are not seen as the only women that like men with $$$..... maybe this is what you think, but no that isn't what 1st world society thinks
/r/PurplePillDebate07/04/26 04:34 PM
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Sugar baby/sugar daddy dynamic is different than a rich man simply dating a woman who is a "lower class"
/r/PurplePillDebate07/04/26 04:25 PM
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You are in the wrong sub for that lmao
/r/PurplePillDebate07/04/26 04:12 PM
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That’s why we judge dirty old men that take advantage of people who’re clearly a lot older than them Well of course we should negatively view people taking advantage of others in general..... the issue here is when people jump to the conclusion that an older man dating a young adult woman is somehow taking advantage of her
/r/PurplePillDebate07/04/26 04:11 PM
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but there is also a difference in stages of life. I'm aware, but the stage difference between a kid and an adult is Vastly different than one between 20's, 30's, 40's etc..... is my point In my defense, en is not my first language. Oh thank god. Still, can you point to what i ignored? I did already..... I said it's not the most common or ONE OF THE MOST COMMON, it's the "one of" that you keep missing I never said men don't find young women attractive. I never said you did...... but knowing this,…
/r/PurplePillDebate07/04/26 01:04 PM
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I didn't deflect, I showed the error in your logic and then immediately answered your question with a yes it would be way different for a 42yr old to date 18 (with the added caveat that she also isn't his teacher) Boss ok in your opinion? Maybe an ex-boss, still sounds weird to me though There is nothing else in that paragraph. Could you point to what part i ignored? I said sentence, not paragraph, your reading comprehension is horrible I said it's not the most common OR ONE OF THEM, it's the "o…
/r/PurplePillDebate07/04/26 12:40 PM
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39 and 15 in Macron's case. Would 42 and 18 suddenly make things better? What a brain dead take, is a 19 year old dating a 12 year old the same as a 37 year old dating a 30 year old to you? So yes that and her not being his teacher would make the situation vastly different. I never said which one is the most common. I said which one is least common. Totally ignored 2nd part of sentence lol That is the motivation behind the behaviour. Not the behaviour once the relationship is established. That i…
/r/PurplePillDebate07/04/26 12:20 PM
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She was his teacher when he was a minor, the fact that you are even comparing this to 2 adults meeting and deciding to date is beyond disingenuous, it's actually quite worrying that you see them as basically the same. Totally disagree with this being the most common or one of them You completely left out the most obvious and common one..... men think young women are hot so the shallow ones that are able to will commonly date younger women, not that complicated and has nothing to do with grooming…
/r/PurplePillDebate07/04/26 12:05 PM
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And no matter what you tell me, Macron's wife is creepy, abusive and a groomer. To be fair that is more than just an age gap issue so I think that is a bad comparison
/r/PurplePillDebate07/04/26 11:45 AM
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Definitely disingenuous, the biggest complaint tends to be the "power dynamic" but most of that is money and they don't seem to complain about rich men dating poor women (unless they go to a different country to do it)
/r/PurplePillDebate07/04/26 11:25 AM
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Oh it's definitely not well meant. Maybe I'm wrong, just view it a bit differently but I suppose I'm just splitting hairs at best
/r/PurplePillDebate04/04/26 09:04 PM
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I don't agree that context is an insult.... it's not saying the other guy is gay or anything, just dismissing their criticism using gay. Definitely being used in a negative way, but not insulting the man. "If you don't like it, date men"
/r/PurplePillDebate04/04/26 08:04 PM
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I wouldn't say "maybe you should date other men" is an "insult"(more of a comment that uses the "ickiness" of gayness to dismiss any criticism the man has said about women), but overall yes it's usually an insult and it's ridiculous that they want to pretend otherwise
/r/PurplePillDebate04/04/26 07:43 PM
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OP's "evidence" is just showing that men have preferences lmao what?
/r/PurplePillDebate02/04/26 06:52 AM
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All that sounds very red pilled, women choosing the best option available and men choosing as many as they can get..... biologically speaking I agree, but we should be not be controlled by it imo, but it will affect us.
/r/PurplePillDebate18/03/26 11:52 PM
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Well I highly disagree this is more of a male issue, like women hijacked the body positivity movement to shame men for simply not wanting to date fat women and called it fatphobic where I generally see men more saying how unrealistic women's standards are (rich and tall aren't common traits). Saying someone's standards are too high due to statistically being uncommon vs acting like they are some kind of a bigot for simply liking what they like..... one of these seem a lot worse to me
/r/PurplePillDebate13/03/26 11:34 AM
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So any backlash against preferences or just when men do it?
/r/PurplePillDebate13/03/26 11:00 AM
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Or do you just want to say that everyone should be hated? IF you feel like hating anyone for "gatekeeping" standards then yes I would like you to include women as well, why would you only hate men? You also assume all these negative emotions and reasons behind their actions so I am curious if you include this in why we so often see women trying to shame men for having any standards Now if you want to argue men's standards are more ridiculous or something then I would just argue against that.
/r/PurplePillDebate13/03/26 10:46 AM
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Or do you just want to say that everyone should be hated? IF you feel like hating anyone for "gatekeeping" standards then yes I would like you to include women as well, why would you only hate men? Now if you want to argue men's standards are more ridiculous or something then I would just argue against that.
/r/PurplePillDebate13/03/26 10:43 AM
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What are you babbling about? Women constantly hate on men for having any standards. Are you really going to pretend there isn't backlash to men not wanting fat women or single mothers? (Other in the top 3 would be promiscuous)
/r/PurplePillDebate13/03/26 10:22 AM
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What mental gymnastics? Y ou keep trying to find ways to not answer simple questions that would show some level of logical consistency because you know your beliefs aren't consistent and you are just trying to find ways to make it bad when men do something but ok for women Is Dehumanization ONLY bad when it comes to children or not? Because you keep saying something is bad that you yourself do and just keep hiding behind the children thing..... so either Dehumanization is bad and you are doing s…
/r/PurplePillDebate26/02/26 06:02 PM
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So WE ARE comparing child abusers to children. No you just seem to think abuse is fine if it's against a target you dislike. Unfortunately this is about dehumanizing children, No it's about the word dehumanizing, I'm sure you want to narrow what it's about so your hypocrisy can't be questioned but that's not how conversation works (nor should it). And women found the solution. Its just men here hate it. So you think it's their issue and the ones still complaining should not blame men and do some…
/r/PurplePillDebate26/02/26 05:45 PM
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At the most it would be comparing abusers to child abusers in this hypothetical. Again, simple question.... do you compare people to objects sometimes (your avoiding basically answers yes) and why is it different when you do it? This is legit hypocrisy just like you with not being ok to make women complaining about being used for sex their problem, but ok with making men being used for money men's problem.
/r/PurplePillDebate26/02/26 05:27 PM
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I have absolutely no problem repeating myself. But you obviously have a problem answering a simple question. Do you do this? The standard is objectifying labels for people. If so why don't you see it as bad when you do it?
/r/PurplePillDebate26/02/26 05:20 PM
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To you it includes negative analogies, don't speak for the rest of us. Ans Stop ignoring the question though.... do you also use negative analogies? If so why is it OK for you to do this
/r/PurplePillDebate26/02/26 05:15 PM
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The standard is objectifying labels for people. Something you don't do? Or is it different when you do it? And most people arent okay with dehumanizing children. People are against dehumanization in general (but not against negative analogies because they can understand the difference) , you are the only one trying to differentiate based on the person it's against
/r/PurplePillDebate26/02/26 04:51 PM
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That includes any negative analogy of a person..... something I'm pretty sure you also do lmao. But I'm guessing it's ok when you do it right?
/r/PurplePillDebate26/02/26 04:44 PM
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So any analogy of a person? I don't think most would agree with that definition
/r/PurplePillDebate26/02/26 04:41 PM
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Its part of it. What's the difference then? When is a negative analogy not dehumanization by your standards then? Like give an example and explain why it's different because so far all you are doing is pointing to a negative analogy and calling it dehumanization
/r/PurplePillDebate26/02/26 04:35 PM
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So you do think any negative analogy is Dehumanization? Watering down the term I dislike Dehumanization, but me and you have 2 very different definitions. Wiki "Dehumanization is the process, practice, or act of denying full humanity in others,[1] along with the cruelty and suffering that accompany it.[2][3][4] It involves perceiving individuals or groups as lacking essential human qualities, such as secondary emotions and mental capacities, thereby placing them outside the bounds of moral conce…
/r/PurplePillDebate26/02/26 04:26 PM
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Going back to the words that I used were 100% correct and you are just mad because it wasn't said in a nicer way...... if the outcome is the same why does it ruffle your feathers so much to just be honest and blunt about it? Then your other claim means absolutely nothing. Not sure what claim you are referring to, but I highly doubt it since unlike some people I don't twist things to match my views/what I want
/r/PurplePillDebate26/02/26 04:16 PM
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It's up to the observer to decide if it's a lot TO THEM, we all get to choose how to live our lives and people get to choose if they like or dislike it themselves.... where is the issue. By calling them a burden So you have issues with how words work and reality? Merrium webster: burden: "1a : something that is carried : load dropped the burden of firewood b : duty, responsibility bore the burden of caring for their aging parents lowering the tax burden on the middle class" literally comparing t…
/r/PurplePillDebate26/02/26 04:06 PM
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What are calling engaging in casual sex? That's really up for the person to decide isn't it? Because most women have had less than 3 Not sure why you think this changes anything about the women that have a lot Like how calling kids "baggage" isn't dehumanizing them, Unless you want to devalue what dehumanization actually is, then obviously https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Dehumanization Why do you want it to just include any analogy of a person?
/r/PurplePillDebate26/02/26 03:56 PM
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Pretty sure that is only with women that engage in casual sex and it's not considered a moral failing..... just making up things to paint it in a worse light?
/r/PurplePillDebate26/02/26 03:27 PM
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Same logic can be applied to women complaining about being used for sex, difference is only 1 tends to be expected and is seen as the norm
/r/PurplePillDebate26/02/26 03:17 PM
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This is dumb, the government should fuck off
/r/PurplePillDebate26/02/26 11:23 AM
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I don't think you are mentally capable enough to make that judgment
/r/PurplePillDebate25/02/26 09:34 PM
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That projection didn't sound like a no lol
/r/PurplePillDebate25/02/26 09:27 PM
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Calling people that disagree with you biased while fighting against data with "I saw 1 dude on the internet say......", Dude be honest if the roles were reversed you would find that to be some BS, you are just giving yourself a pass because it's what you personally believe on this subject.
/r/PurplePillDebate25/02/26 09:20 PM
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Calling out your BS doesn't make me whiney or a pussy. Maybe one day you will be able to be able to handle it, but for now you can just throw your little temper tantrum lol
/r/PurplePillDebate25/02/26 09:15 PM
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Ok Mr "agree with me or you are insanely bias"
/r/PurplePillDebate25/02/26 09:09 PM
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Dude, just because you have a premise doesn't mean everyone has to agree with you or they are biased. The study is saying that while there are certain circumstances that men seem to have a bias unlike women it doesn't seem to be a just in general thing..... not that complicated (if you don't know what it's saying that's a YOU issue) You know what seems really biased? Thinking an issue is bad and focusing on a group that doesn't seem to do it statistically instead of the one that does a lot. I do…
/r/PurplePillDebate25/02/26 09:00 PM
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By going against the premise with actual data? What "insane amount of bias"?
/r/PurplePillDebate25/02/26 08:27 PM
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So I either agree with you or I'm proving your point? Lmao great circular logic. Some shitty study from the 90s. *2000's. vs your "trust me dude"
/r/PurplePillDebate25/02/26 08:19 PM
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Basically, why choose to focus on men If women seem to be the ones with in-group bias? And what kind of discussion are you actually trying to have if you are ignoring data that goes against your premise? It sounds like you just want people to agree with you, not have an honest discussion
/r/PurplePillDebate25/02/26 08:14 PM
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It doesn't HAVE to be about EVERY aspect, but that still doesn't explain why if we are talking about in-group bias based on gender we would focus on the gender that doesn't seem to have this issue. I also tend to doubt how much of an honest discussion you really want to have when you pushback against data that goes against your belief with "well I saw this 1 guy on the internet.....". Don't know what more you and OP want us to say on the subject besides the data shows your premise as faulty, if …
/r/PurplePillDebate25/02/26 08:04 PM
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A whataboutism is a deflection tactic, I have engaged with the argument with every message and showed actual data vs your "nuh uh" and "well this 1 guy" lol I'm ALSO pushing back against this one sided standard by asking why you are focusing on men when it's women that seem to have the issue here and you want to ignore it for some reason and I'm curious as to why. This is exactly my point. Nothing but the benefit of doubt. I don't judge any group based on 1 individual, this isn't benefit of the …
/r/PurplePillDebate25/02/26 07:21 PM
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And there are men that think women should be in charge of everything, the existence of either does not represent men in general. (Also possible it's just something he selfishly wants, not actually believes)
/r/PurplePillDebate25/02/26 05:00 PM
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Maybe not purposely ignoring it, but it does indeed suggest that men don't really have an in-group bias while you were just talking about what the other 3 said.... now whether you agree with that or not is a different story. Are you under the assumption that men have more in-group bias than women or just disagree they don't have much? (If the latter, do you agree women have more bias?)
/r/PurplePillDebate25/02/26 04:38 PM
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I think you want these experiments to say something they're not actually saying. Again ignoring experiment #1. It literally is saying men don't really have an in-group bias "that men lack a mechanism that bolsters automatic own group preference." I'll ignore your whataboutism. It's not a whataboutism to ask why if you think something is bad are you focusing on the group that doesn't seem to do it instead of the group that does.... and a lot
/r/PurplePillDebate25/02/26 04:26 PM
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No, you are only focusing on experiments 2-4 and getting the 4th wrong (shows that men that get laid have a higher women are wonderful effect) "In Experiment 1, only women (not men) showed cognitive balance among in-group bias, identity, and self-esteem (A. G. Greenwald et al., 2002), revealing that men lack a mechanism that bolsters automatic own group preference." If you think in-group bias is bad then it's women with the problem according to the data.... so why the focus on men? Seems like an…
/r/PurplePillDebate25/02/26 04:17 PM
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It shows men don't really have an in-group bias, it's completely on topic it just goes against your apparent belief. What I want to know is why are you and OP even interested in an issue that doesn't seem to exist from men when it's clear that it's women that have this issue? It makes no sense
/r/PurplePillDebate25/02/26 04:08 PM
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Just using it to summarize things. You can look at the study https://pubmed.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/15491274/ Again, if in-group bias is a bad thing it is ridiculous to be specifically looking at men
/r/PurplePillDebate25/02/26 04:00 PM
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It's not very true though (with the data shown). There are certain situations where it occurs, but overall men don't seem to have an automatic pro-male bias, it shows them still having a bias FOR women.... that isn't very in-group bias-y. This doesn't seem like something in general need to work on overcoming...... if gender in-group bias is a bad thing then it is indeed women that have the problem on this issue and should work on it since men are pretty good on that front as a whole already Goog…
/r/PurplePillDebate25/02/26 03:53 PM
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again for you "Furthermore, only women (not men) showed cognitive balance among in-group bias, identity, and self-esteem, revealing that men lack a mechanism that bolsters automatic preference for their own gender.[5]"
/r/PurplePillDebate25/02/26 01:47 PM
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3 times now I have said/shown that men don't really have an automatic bias towards their own gender. I also mentioned those other things so I guess your bias couldn't help fixating on them and ignoring what I said 3 times already. I can talk about men's issues (like we care too much about physical looks and not enough about stuff like financial literacy, also lack of in group support) , but this is a woman's issue lol. You are also showing you don't even care about the issue since you are ignori…
/r/PurplePillDebate25/02/26 01:40 PM
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How is showing that you are wrong about men off topic? You are confusing it with just going along with your incorrect assumption and discussing things within it, 2 different things
/r/PurplePillDebate25/02/26 01:15 PM
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Did you even read what I quoted? It shows men have a bias of positive views of women and don't have an automatic bias favorably for men like women do with other women. Your own in-group bias is also VERY ON TOPIC considering this is probably where your entire view is coming from
/r/PurplePillDebate25/02/26 01:12 PM
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Love that you bring this up becausei think it affects pretty much the entire gender/sex conversation, study after study shows that it's women that have the in-group bias. The "women are wonderful effect" isn't just Red Pill propaganda, it's a common occurrence in a lot of western countries. https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Women-are-wonderful_effect "This research found that while both women and men have more favorable views of women, women's in-group biases were 4.5 times stronger[5] than those of…
/r/PurplePillDebate25/02/26 01:07 PM
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No, it's casual.... but not with him. Why do you insist on reframing it? Is there a reason you are continually doing it because it's kind of a waste of time to continually have to bring you back to what we are talking about instead of your strawmen. Safety wasn't a factor. Not sure where you got that. Since you said that it was the reason for variance in your standards but I suppose that was after. Still seems likely that a woman that engages in hookup culture because they enjoy it probably is o…
/r/PurplePillDebate22/02/26 08:42 PM
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A "habit" of having casual sex is generally a sign of other issues that men tend to see as bad and it's not really up to you to decide..... it doesn't matter to YOU I was a little self-destructive/apathetic (youngsters, ammirite?) so I wasn't taking the risks seriously. I'm really lucky that I came out of it relatively unscathed. I don't get this, you were being self destructive but slept with men faster if they seemed safe while also not taking the risks seriously and not enjoying it? Seems pre…
/r/PurplePillDebate22/02/26 08:25 PM
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History is one of the best ways to tell you about a person, pretending it doesn't matter is just being willfully naive. You act like it's a crazy thought that attraction would influence someone's want to sleep with someone faster, not sure why. Why did I participate, or why did I not enjoy it? Participate. I was under the assumption that most women that sleep around are doing so because they enjoy it and many women would suggest this as well (very common with saying men and women are similar and…
/r/PurplePillDebate22/02/26 06:40 PM
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Obviously it matters since it's affecting whether he is interested or not. History generally matters, not sure why you think it doesn't/shouldn't wouldn't say I enjoyed hookup culture. I will always defend bodily autonomy. But it's objectively a massive risk, esp for cis women, for sex that's mediocre at best. Like paying $50 for a $5 scratch-off.) Wait so you didn't really participate in hookup culture yet still are basing their standards to your own or you did participate for awhile (not just …
/r/PurplePillDebate22/02/26 05:14 PM
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Uh huh
/r/PurplePillDebate22/02/26 05:06 PM
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Yup and if someone feels the need to misrepresent it to try and make it look bad they probably feel the same on some level or know others would disagree with their perception.
/r/PurplePillDebate22/02/26 04:13 PM
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If he needs sex by the third date to feel wanted, and that doesn't work for her, they aren't compatible. Agreed, but you are ignoring that this conversation only implies to if she has been participating in hookups previously..... if she is straight up just not about that life that is completely different than what we are talking about And I don't think I'm anything exceptional. Why would my first assumption be that other women aren't also making regular adjustments in search of the right place f…
/r/PurplePillDebate22/02/26 03:31 PM
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No I stated that there is just 1 constant. There can also be other things going on but that would change from man to man which explains why they don't act the same with this information. Risk what, for what? Getting emotionally invested in someone showing signs of not being as into them much. And you are still trying to frame it as "she just changed her boundaries bro", still disagreeing this happens usually due to a woman changing her boundaries instead of sleeping with a man faster/slower base…
/r/PurplePillDebate22/02/26 06:36 AM
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It's not "semantics", it's the difference between an actual bad thing vs just using a bad term like a buzzword to make something you dislike seem worse than it is
/r/PurplePillDebate22/02/26 06:25 AM
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I have no idea what you mean by that. You must have misunderstood me since I never suggested that men are irrational or lacked self control. Saying How men react to/feel about the idea of less interest is going to vary by the person is not condoning or condemn it (that would depend on the reaction) That said, various areas absolutely can move like a pendulum, even (maybe especially) boundaries around sex. My own choices have been at both ends, and lots of points in the middle. I don't have any r…
/r/PurplePillDebate21/02/26 11:28 PM
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It is indeed assuming less interest, what people do/act with that assumption is a different story that would depend on the individual/situation. Do you not integrate what you learn, as you learn it? Integrating what I learn wouldn't really consist of flip flopping on a particular issue over and over again..... sounds more like something I would do or not do depending on the person
/r/PurplePillDebate21/02/26 10:37 PM
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Assuming maliciousness on her part is just fishing for a reason to get mad. It's not assuming "maliciousness", it's assuming less interest, do you not understand the difference or just can't help but twisting it into what you feel like they are REALLY thinking? The logical conclusion is that he's prob just growing up, trying to date less materialistic women, setting a big kid budget for himself, tired of dates being a big performance, etc. Assuming that it has to mean he's out to get me, like he…
/r/PurplePillDebate21/02/26 09:50 PM
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Yes, true. If a company changes a policy, there.... Exactly, IF a "company" changes and you are also assuming the direction in which they are changing. I was being a bit nitpicky on this one tbf. The whole thing is, "the sale ended yesterday, but it's cruel and dishonest and you hate me if you don't give me the same discount you gave that guy yesterday." That's it. There's nothing to trust! She's making a choice now that isn't the same as a choice from earlier in her life. That's all. And how th…
/r/PurplePillDebate21/02/26 08:30 PM
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The point is that there will always be the first guy subject to a new standard. Not true, sometimes even less standards than previously. Either she's never allowed to make better choices, the man in question isn't being victimized and she shouldn't be shamed, Where did I say the man is being victimized? or she can wait X time to "reset" Yes, generally it's a good idea for ANYONE to not just trust words and go off of previous actions to tell you about a person instead. It is ridiculous to think t…
/r/PurplePillDebate21/02/26 05:33 PM
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Or wait longer I suppose...... not sure what you are trying to get at with that question though because by this logic you can make most standards/preferences sound bad since everyone would have to comply or be alone. For someone who is so up in arms and defending a woman's freedom that isn't being threatened you sure do seem to dislike a man's freedom of choice on this subject.
/r/PurplePillDebate21/02/26 04:38 PM
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Not sure what you mean by "ok to try", but as for when should a man stop thinking it shows a lack of desire? Subjective and would count on other factors like how long/much they have been doing it for...... but generally as long as needed for the guy to not be naive in thinking she has changed.
/r/PurplePillDebate21/02/26 03:45 PM
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I didn't dismiss the point with her, this is from a previous argument. I explained the difference between an analogy an Dehumanization, but she just dismissed it (it needs to be something that can/is trying to be used as an excuse to treat people as sub-human, such as calling them trash or animals) Do you also just think any analogy of a person is Dehumanization? Or just the ones you don't like? https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Dehumanization
/r/PurplePillDebate21/02/26 03:38 PM
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Really doubt this is more of a guy issue, women seem to be the ones that stereotypically hate analogies with objects (one of the more common ones being cars) What's lazy is crying "Dehumanization" at every analogy you don't like. It devalues why actual Dehumanization is such a bad thing (justifies treating people as sub-human)
/r/PurplePillDebate21/02/26 03:23 PM
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She doesn't have to do anything and that is a pretty subjective matter that would depend on other factors such as age. No one is saying they have to continue, they could just stop hooking up with guys right away, include guys they want to date or only with guys they want to date...... they are free to do whatever they want just like men are free not to date them, why do you have a problem with that?
/r/PurplePillDebate21/02/26 02:46 PM
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Nah, may not take her seriously, but will still hit.
/r/PurplePillDebate21/02/26 02:39 PM
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What line? How many men? Or should I just assume she's done with her "hoe phase" if know she hooks up but doesn't with me? I don't get this And why is it acceptable to expect her to have sex she doesn’t enjoy. I would assume if she does it there is something about it that she enjoys......again this isn't "IF SHE HAS DONE IT BEFORE" like you keep trying to argue against
/r/PurplePillDebate21/02/26 02:35 PM
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Me: if she is hooking up with men (NOT JUST HAS DONE SO BEFORE) You: just because she has done so before I’m not misrepresenting anything. Lies
/r/PurplePillDebate21/02/26 02:23 PM
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Me: if she is hooking up with men (NOT JUST HAS DONE SO BEFORE) You: just because she has done so before I’m not misrepresenting anything. Lies
/r/PurplePillDebate21/02/26 02:23 PM
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I'm not justifying it with false statements. There is a difference between a woman that has merely done it before and one that still does, you are creating a scenario that it wouldn't necessarily be beneficial to have that standard and pretending that it's always this way instead of the exception
/r/PurplePillDebate21/02/26 02:16 PM
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It literally isn't, you just can't read
/r/PurplePillDebate21/02/26 02:09 PM
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I didn't say or think any of that. Work on your reading comprehension If a woman does hook up with men (not just has done it before) her not also doing it with you shows that there is probably less attraction and the man probably shouldn't date her..... ffs if you think the idea is so horrible you wouldn't feel the need to misrepresent it, the fact that you do speaks volumes
/r/PurplePillDebate21/02/26 02:08 PM
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nothing in that phrase indicates 'still doing it'. It being in present tense instead of past tense indeed suggests "still doing it" Not to children merely existing. So you do practice dehumanization just not with kids and this makes it ok?
/r/PurplePillDebate21/02/26 01:54 PM
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Do you not make any negative analogies with people (knowing you it would most likely be men) or do you just think it's different when you do it? "Only if she is taking that risk with other men" so yes, you do expect that. That's not expecting her to keep doing it, that is her literally still doing it lol. Just acknowledging that if she doesn't see you as one of the men she wants to do that with then you probably shouldn't date her...... pretty understandable to not want to date someone that is a…
/r/PurplePillDebate21/02/26 01:47 PM
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So any negative analogy? Which you never make yourself? So I didn't straw man. Yes you are because it's not expecting them to just keep hooking up with strangers or "terrible men". If you see the idea as faulty why do you feel the need to misrepresent it? If it's really so horrible you should just be able to explain why instead of just making these strawmen to attack
/r/PurplePillDebate21/02/26 01:37 PM
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Do you just call any analogy dehumanization or just the ones you dislike? (Actually answer, you keep ignoring the question) This is about what benefits men. It is exactly about benefitting the man deciding to be in a relationship with her or not, why are you acting like this is a bad thing? You guys expect women to risk a 66% chance of not having fun Only if she is taking that risk with other men, otherwise why should the man take the risk to date her?
/r/PurplePillDebate21/02/26 01:29 PM
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Another Lilith strawman. The idea is that if she is the type to hook up, you shouldn't get serious with her unless she is attracted enough to you to see you as hook up material. It really isn't that complicated or wild, why do you insist on misrepresenting ideas?
/r/PurplePillDebate21/02/26 01:11 PM
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Do you have this opinion on women's "tests" such as a common one of saying that's one of their reasons for wanting men to pay? (Which personally I don't agree with since it's pretty common for men to pay for sexual reasons) or do you just dislike when men do it? (Or this one specifically)
/r/PurplePillDebate20/02/26 05:16 PM
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I’m bi, not gay, so I’ve dated and fucked both men and women. Well good on you if this means you don't ever pay for your dates even with women, respect lol. But if my partner said “if you pay this time, I’ll pay next time”, the next time I would refuse to get out my wallet. Either they do what they said they’d do, or we can both go back home. Well technically she did (with things like the street tacos) and she tended to not need to go out too often so it just didn't seem to be worth ending the r…
/r/PurplePillDebate18/02/26 01:02 PM
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(Totally clocked the gay thing right away since you are a man that didn't understand this issue and said your "partner") Once you realize you can ignore other people and do what you want, you are free. Oh I totally agree, but sometimes you have to do things you don't particularly want to do to be with someone you want to be with or just not be alone, it's a pretty normal thing (and people tend to come with positive and negative qualities, it can't all just be good). No one seems to like everythi…
/r/PurplePillDebate18/02/26 12:43 PM
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Because it was a common issue in dating and even with this negative it was preferable to being alone until it wasn't. Is there absolutely nothing in dating that you find negative, but still participate in due to it being culturally ingrained in dating itself? Because that’s great if that's the case, but you can't expect everyone to do/feel the same, kind of impractical for the majority of people. Again, if you don’t like the dynamic you have in a relationship, but you KEEP participating in the d…
/r/PurplePillDebate18/02/26 12:29 PM
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Not as simple as that, plenty of propaganda (for lack of a better word off the top of my head) out there that really shames men that never want to go out as not caring about their GF and of course a lot of women buy into that. Then there is of course the fact that we can't just do what I want to do all the time .... it can also be sneakier, technically the last one didn't expect me to pay all the time, she would "just get the next one", but somehow it was always me paying for the restaurants and…
/r/PurplePillDebate18/02/26 08:42 AM
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I would prefer it that way as well, but I'm a homebody myself and the exe's that I had that would want to go out tended to also want me to pay (except when I was an unemployed 18 year old dating a 20yr old with a job)
/r/PurplePillDebate18/02/26 08:13 AM
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People are going to say that it's not a gender thing (which I'm not sure I agree with), but there is no way the expectation of who has to pay doesn't factor into it. Dates/trips sound a lot better when it's someone else's dime (only experienced the expecting dates one, although paid for a trip on a gf's birthday once but nothing wrong with that)
/r/PurplePillDebate18/02/26 07:57 AM
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Putting things in perspective isn't useless. Especially when there is a decent chance that their fear is a result of either the internet making it seem worse than it is or running on outdated information that isn't true anymore.
/r/PurplePillDebate16/02/26 10:22 PM
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And I just refuse to be a single mom. So I either have kids with a man who will cheat on me and I just suffer through it because he pays the mortgage ….lol or don’t have them. Those seem to be my options. Statistically men cheat less now than ever before and are equal to women in % (if we ignore senior citizens, previous generations cheated a lot).
/r/PurplePillDebate16/02/26 09:46 AM
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No I'm just making the point that a desperate man is indeed desperate and will generally take what he can get by pointing to the #1 usual complaint (and as a "chubby chaser" the one I have the most familiarity with) if the incels here legitimately have a standard SUCH AS (not exclusively) obesity which affects a great deal in the US, then yeah not much pity here.
/r/PurplePillDebate15/02/26 01:14 PM
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in general I think most of guys standards is more for relationships and are not against going for people that don't match them I often do wonder about standards from "incels" since I often do think just how little action I would have gotten if I had standards like these, but I know most of the big women I have been with had no trouble getting laid so obviously plenty of men with no-low standards.
/r/PurplePillDebate15/02/26 12:58 PM
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Don't care much and I assume something will happen to keep men around (most likely technology) or we will die off as a species before it happens
/r/PurplePillDebate15/02/26 08:43 AM
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What also really gets me is the claim that “80% of women want the top 20% of men.” Meanwhile, men of all ages openly admit that they’re most attracted to 18-22 women - and betcha they don't mean fat ones! - which is an incredibly tiny slice of the female population. How is that not a much more extreme bottleneck? 2 reasons, 1st is this is talking about physical attractiveness, does not take into account actually having to date the women 2nd- this is just about at what age men see women in genera…
/r/PurplePillDebate07/02/26 11:34 AM
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just be a decent gf is what I'm saying.
/r/PurplePillDebate27/01/26 01:59 PM
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Be careful I heard on reddit men only care about sex /s Yeah I think I'm done here, try not to turn the BF into another guy who only looks for casual in the future. Peace
/r/PurplePillDebate27/01/26 01:57 PM
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But you are willing to judge men as a whole based on them? (And a site known as a hookup site) Lmfao I love the "logic"
/r/PurplePillDebate27/01/26 01:51 PM
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Does ignoring your feelings on a matter and twisting it into something negative sound like someone you would like to date?
/r/PurplePillDebate27/01/26 01:45 PM
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Definitely not what i said, but you seem to be making a great argument for why more men should just be casual with women if this is what they can expect
/r/PurplePillDebate27/01/26 01:26 PM
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I already explained why. If you want to ignore all the reasons why then I think you rather just pretend that's all they want for whatever reason
/r/PurplePillDebate27/01/26 01:18 PM
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I didn't have much luck on tinder for different reasons although did date a girl from POF. A quick Google search Google AI: "Yes, Plenty of Fish (POF) has a strong reputation as a hookup site, attracting many users looking for casual encounters, though it also hosts people seeking serious relationships, making it a mixed bag where you need to filter" You really shouldn't be judging a whole gender by stuff like this lol. The majority of men are interested in relationships, but are also interested…
/r/PurplePillDebate27/01/26 01:04 PM
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Which dating app? Because saying men on Tinder only want hookups is a lot different than saying men in general only want that for example. So most profiles you saw said this or just the ones that messaged you? Because it seems weird to originally mention the ones that messaged you wanted that
/r/PurplePillDebate27/01/26 12:50 PM
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Dating apps are going to have a higher ratio of this kind of stuff especially depending on the app, nowadays people view tinder as a hookup app for example. (Trying on reddit is just something I don't know much about, seems weird to me) You also seem to be assuming that just because they wanted something casual with you that this is all they are looking for, I have definitely switched whether I'm going for casual or more depending on the woman plenty of times. You even say women do the same thin…
/r/PurplePillDebate27/01/26 12:43 PM
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Going to need more info than just saying that lol. Are there dating app statistics, just seen a lot of profiles saying that's what they are looking for, they guys that you dated from there only wanted that or what? Seems like a bad start to get your belief about men from though (I can assure you dating apps don't usually have the best women either)
/r/PurplePillDebate27/01/26 12:33 PM
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That is an absolutely bonkers claim, what could you possibly be basing that belief on?
/r/PurplePillDebate27/01/26 12:24 PM
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Still a minority of men. Let them want what they want, do you have an issue with women who don't want to date but still enjoy sex?
/r/PurplePillDebate27/01/26 12:17 PM
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Why because they didn't want to date those women? Sure some only want sex, but having higher standards for who you choose to date than who you just sleep with doesn't mean "they want sex only"
/r/PurplePillDebate27/01/26 12:11 PM
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Social media mostly, but pretty often IRL as well. Again, the term fuckboy exists for a reason..... this idea that these guys hooking up with women have trouble getting relationships is pure fantasy
/r/PurplePillDebate27/01/26 12:04 PM
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I usually see women complain about men only hooking up with them and being the ones not wanting more, they literally created (stole/changed) the term fuckboy for it, so
/r/PurplePillDebate27/01/26 12:00 PM
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Those women may not but plenty do, you are putting way too much focus on the women that don't.
/r/PurplePillDebate27/01/26 11:56 AM
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Being wanted by many women doesn't make you trash tier simply because some women only see you as a hookup, that is crazy standards right there that no guy could live up to.
/r/PurplePillDebate27/01/26 11:24 AM
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But those same qualities that allowed them to hookup are going to make it generally pretty easy to get a relationship even if it's not with one of the hookups...... are you really going to try and pretend otherwise?
/r/PurplePillDebate27/01/26 11:19 AM
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What?
/r/PurplePillDebate27/01/26 11:13 AM
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Men see being hookup material as able to get relationships, maybe they value a relationship with that specific woman as less valuable than sex, but men wouldn't be able to hookup to begin with if women didn't think like that as well sometimes so pretty hypocritical
/r/PurplePillDebate27/01/26 11:11 AM
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I just laid out logically why it's better and you just come back with accusations saying it's only better if you are obsessed with sex.... based off what? Enjoying sex or not wanting to marry every woman they are sexually interested in?
/r/PurplePillDebate27/01/26 10:56 AM
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Sure if you could have both that is obviously preferable. If you have to choose 1, hookup material is clearly preferable unless you are going to marry that specific woman.
/r/PurplePillDebate27/01/26 10:50 AM
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I meant options of women..... unless you plan on marrying that specific woman her seeing you as someone good enough to hookup with even without wanting a relationship shows more overall appeal to women in general. If she likes you but otherwise wouldn't hookup with you only shows appeal to that specific woman. Definitely sounds better to be the hookup guy in that (common) scenario wouldn't you say?
/r/PurplePillDebate27/01/26 10:41 AM
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Only better if you want to marry the woman, otherwise being the guy with more options AND getting the girl (albeit temporarily) is obviously way better
/r/PurplePillDebate27/01/26 10:35 AM
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I didn't say with every woman they hook up with...... they most likely have more options than most men though.
/r/PurplePillDebate27/01/26 10:30 AM
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And the ones that succeed generally can have a relationship if they wanted to, they choose not to. Men cheat more than women For men/women under 50 this isn't true statistically (marriage stats and data is old so probably closer to under 60 now). So unless we are talking about seniors dating or women who want to date seniors this just isn't true anymore. They do look for hookups more, yes.
/r/PurplePillDebate27/01/26 10:27 AM
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But are they more horny than other men or do they just have more desirable qualities. A little Off topic: Men may be more "pornsick" these days but men cheat A LOT less likely than they used to (equal to women for people younger than senior citizens and previous data shows this is a generational thing not an age one) so I wouldn't necessarily say they are sex obsessed. maybe they just don't want relationships, you wouldn't be thinking women are just sex obsessed if they were less interested in r…
/r/PurplePillDebate27/01/26 10:15 AM
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But unless this whole post is just about your personal preference what does that matter? In the dating world only a minority of men have qualities that make them able to hookup, where a majority of men have qualities that can get them a relationship. Maybe you have a habit of fucking guys that you deemed were unsuitable for a relationship for whatever reason, but do you think that most men who tend to just hookup do so because they can't get a relationship or because they don't want one? Being h…
/r/PurplePillDebate27/01/26 10:04 AM
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Again..... for you What about being able to do something most men can vs something only a minority of men? One is obviously more impressive
/r/PurplePillDebate27/01/26 09:41 AM
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Alrighty, so moved from love to "feelings" with them despite not being that attracted to the guy. And already showing the hookup guy having better looks. Kind of skipped over the part about how it's more impressive to be able to do something most men can vs doing something only a minority of men can..... at best this would show the men may have more characteristics that are good for a specific woman (compatability) while the hookup men have more universal qualities such as looks and charisma, bu…
/r/PurplePillDebate27/01/26 09:34 AM
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For starters are you really going to try and pretend that most relationships start because the woman fell in love with the guy? I'm 100% calling bull lmao It makes no logical sense to simultaneously believe that you need better qualities to get relationships than hookups while also knowing that most men are unable to get hookups but are able to get relationships. Maybe it's true for YOU, but women are showing what's more impressive with their actions and actions speak louder than words..... if y…
/r/PurplePillDebate27/01/26 09:21 AM
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If that was true more guys would be hooking up, reality is disagreeing with you
/r/PurplePillDebate27/01/26 09:08 AM
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That is not the only reason.... it is indeed harder and to do it you generally have to have a lot of positive qualities (such as looks and charisma). In general things that are harder to do are more impressive
/r/PurplePillDebate27/01/26 09:05 AM
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How the fuck does this comment have anything to do with what I said? And me saying it's harder obviously implies women are less into hookups
/r/PurplePillDebate27/01/26 09:01 AM
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As another person already pointed out way men are able to get relationships than hookups, you can say whatever pretty words you want, but the real world shows what is harder and thus more impressive to attain. Being "relationship material" has always seen as almost a negative to me UNLESS you also think they would be a good hookup.
/r/PurplePillDebate27/01/26 08:52 AM
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Where did I say that? If anything, "Looks matter the most" comes into play in this context because what is appealing about a broke piece of shit? All they would be able to offer is looks. Right there, if we are able to date women (even if it's not a lot) what are the women dating us for if it's not looks? (Answer: personality) Oh no your friend didn't want to fuck you. What does that have to do with my post? If you are friends with someone it's generally because you like their personality and yo…
/r/PurplePillDebate26/01/26 12:50 PM
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(Different person here) It can be that both genders are equally easily attracted to one another, Even women commonly disagree with this take and will say they are only attracted to a minority of men
/r/PurplePillDebate26/01/26 12:39 PM
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The fact that you would just assume that all the guys here only have their looks going for them, but that seems wrong on multiple fronts. Friendzone existing pokes further holes into your theory. Would also have to assume that almost every woman we are dating is shallow but also the minority of women..... these seem like a lot of assumptions to make based on what? Do you have any actual reasons to think this way (like stats) beyond your bias beliefs always looking for a way to blame men for ever…
/r/PurplePillDebate26/01/26 12:38 PM
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So are you disagreeing with women's "the bar is on the floor" statements? Because it sounds like they supposedly aren't looking for too much personality-wise, it's just the guys they are interested in don't need to offer more because they already get the girls based off their looks. I think most guys here will agree that getting through that door is the hardest part. My success rate after getting a date is pretty damn high if I say so myself (and i don't just mean sex)...... in getting that date…
/r/PurplePillDebate26/01/26 12:27 PM
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I don't really care beyond the point that it seems women generally want a man that at least makes as much as them and from my personal experience the women that I dated that earned more than me still expected me to be the one spending $$$ even after the initial dating phase
/r/PurplePillDebate24/01/26 01:14 PM
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Does that matter somehow? Are you basing this off crime statistics or which groups you are ok with discriminating against?
/r/PurplePillDebate22/01/26 08:36 PM
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Are you allergic to the question or something? Ffs Would it be OK to treat other groups worse due to crime statistics based off things like religion or race (the groups, not the crimes) or are you specifically only using this logic for men?
/r/PurplePillDebate22/01/26 08:25 PM
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I feel like you have some reading comprehension issues because you keep arguing against things I never said. I'm not calling the statistics discriminatory, I'm saying treating someone worse due to their sex is literally the definition of discrimination. Answer my original question: can we use crime statistics to treat other groups worse (besides men)? Because if not you aren't being logically consistent and proving that it's not actually a good reason
/r/PurplePillDebate22/01/26 07:35 PM
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What are you talking about? I have refuted the logic. It sounds like you and Lilith are working backwards from hating men and trying to justify it, otherwise the logic of it being ok to discriminate a group based off crime statistics would be consistent.
/r/PurplePillDebate22/01/26 06:54 PM
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You may want to think about that for a second I don't think you are making the point you think you are making lmfao
/r/PurplePillDebate22/01/26 02:35 PM
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Most crime is intraracial, so that's just racism. Most violent crime from men is intrasexual, so that's just sexism
/r/PurplePillDebate22/01/26 02:12 PM
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I did, that's how I know it's a deflection..... thanks for not arguing against anything I actually said strawman queen
/r/PurplePillDebate22/01/26 01:53 PM
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Do the last 2 sentences change what I said at all or are you just deflecting?
/r/PurplePillDebate22/01/26 01:49 PM
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Literally the definition of what you are doing Merrium webster: 1 to unfairly treat a person or group differently from other people or groups on a class or categorical basis (as race, religion, gender, or sexual orientation) https://www.merriam-webster.com/dictionary/discriminate
/r/PurplePillDebate22/01/26 01:42 PM
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Exactly, you never addressed what I said/asked. Not sure why you want to pretend otherwise
/r/PurplePillDebate22/01/26 01:38 PM
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Where do you address that it's either ok to discriminate groups of people based on statistics or just men? Will be waiting for the quote, but im sure you will pivot to just saying why we should hate on men but not women again instead
/r/PurplePillDebate22/01/26 01:35 PM
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Can we use statistics yo discriminate against other groups or just men? It's Lilith, we already know the answer lol
/r/PurplePillDebate22/01/26 12:59 PM
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In my experience big women are easier to get into a FWB situation
/r/PurplePillDebate22/01/26 06:01 AM
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Of course I would do the same things for someone I’m interested in dating as someone for hookup, in fact, I will do MORE for the person interested in dating because an escalation in relationship generally comes with more investment. You are literally saying that you wouldn't do something for the relationship guy until he shows his investment to you that you are (possibly hypothetically) doing for men that don't. Edit b4 reply: both men and women want to know if the other person is actually into …
/r/PurplePillDebate21/01/26 11:23 AM
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I would say the ability to get sex somewhat easy is already enough for this kind of quality. When you get to what guys sleep around more than others at this stage it becomes more of a personal preference/personality thing for the man
/r/PurplePillDebate19/01/26 05:35 PM
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I didn't say it magically explains all delayed sex, but I do believe it is decently common and something that is VERY undesirable
/r/PurplePillDebate19/01/26 04:26 PM
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(Male) Best sex unless I'm planning on marrying her then it would be best partner
/r/PurplePillDebate19/01/26 04:21 PM
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From my experience I can assure you that is definitely not the only reason I think in many ways restraining oneself from sex shows poise and is demure, thus a more feminine, attractive trait to men. Not if she isn't restraining it in general lmfao So the options seem to be she is either less sexually interested in you or trying to pretend she is something that she isn't..... great options there lol
/r/PurplePillDebate19/01/26 04:14 PM
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Where did I admit that? You just like twisting it into that because you don't like it
/r/PurplePillDebate19/01/26 04:10 PM
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Buying flowers is less expected nowadays except for certain holidays so I don't hear men complaining about this one much beyond mentioning how it's not like women ever get them flowers and shining a light on the entitlement/ hypocrisy (why they want them I don't know) I'm not ignoring, I'm disagreeing. Most women have plenty of men wanting to take them out on a date..... some women choose to only date the guys that don't (usually because they are more desirable) and pretend it's all men, but thi…
/r/PurplePillDebate19/01/26 04:09 PM
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You just admitted you wouldn't lol. Just because you don't care about the difference between how you treat them doesn't mean it doesn't exist. It's about desire, not the sex itself.... if you can't even understand that then you don't actually seem to care about understanding the other sides perspective
/r/PurplePillDebate19/01/26 04:02 PM
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It indeed could, this would be considered playing games/being fake and is also generally not something people love.... but it is indeed better than the alternative. But unless you are suggesting that women also will sleep with a man faster if she finds him Sexier than other men she is dating what is your point beyond "that's not always the case!"?
/r/PurplePillDebate19/01/26 03:58 PM
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Oh so you actually wouldn't like you previously claimed, interesting. Yup and in general just being as interested in sex (you also hear about women that will do certain things due to being more sexually attracted to a man than others they dated). Not the only measurement, but why would you think it shouldn't be considered as well? Is it so weird to want your partner to desire you sexually as well as personality-wise? Would you feel no negative thoughts about knowing the guy you are dating/marryi…
/r/PurplePillDebate19/01/26 03:55 PM
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A lot of women will have sex with some guys faster than other guys...... men just want to be desired as much as other men if they are going to be in a serious relationship with the person.
/r/PurplePillDebate19/01/26 03:40 PM
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This whole post is about "genuine desire" because a lot of men complain about women going around "fucking chads" but will eventually settle down for a less desirable but more stable/attainable man. Often represented by things like women having sex earlier with men they "desire" while waiting longer for a guy they think might be a good bf but not as sexually desirable from the start. I definitely have this kind of mindset from things that happened in the past and less so in adult years but still …
/r/PurplePillDebate19/01/26 03:34 PM
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Glad you 2 found each other. I know you said it isn't your only issue here but I will say there are a lot of guys that are 100% ok/into big women, im one of them. Just wanted to say that, have a good 1.
/r/PurplePillDebate19/01/26 03:21 PM
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The women with different "waiting" standards aren't. Edit:grammar
/r/PurplePillDebate19/01/26 03:18 PM
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I will take what I can get sexually, not romantically. Big difference. Anything I would do for a woman I'm only sexually interested in I would do for a woman I was even potentially interested in more for..... can woman say the same?
/r/PurplePillDebate19/01/26 03:13 PM
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I will take what I can get sexually, not romantically. Big difference
/r/PurplePillDebate19/01/26 03:10 PM
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It wasn't a warm kind of approach, especially the most recent. It was sexual lol (we were joking around and she actually asked for my number which I'm not sure if that's ever happened to me previously, respect for her on that at least) Sure I have. Had 1 girl I was dating for awhile that straight up told me she doesn't consider it an actual date unless the man Is paying (I didn't take that to a serious relationship). An LTR of 2 years where she lived 90 minutes away and it was ALWAYS me driving …
/r/PurplePillDebate19/01/26 02:50 PM
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Nothing in the dictionary definition fits, actually look at the link and the examples they give lil I cannot thank you enough for you showing people I dont strawman. Guys here will actually make such ridiculous claims. I don't think this is going the way you think lmao but you are welcome. BTW do you never make negative analogies for anyone (especially men) or is it just different when you do it?
/r/PurplePillDebate19/01/26 02:31 PM
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With these 2 no actual dates although I met both at work and we talked beforehand. one was only like 1 day (the more recent 1) but the other we would have lunch together and stuff (didn't ask for her number until she stopped working there)..... I definitely should have kept that 1 more sexual I think, she literally said she wasn't looking for anything serious, I fumbled, shit isn't as easy as it sounds though.
/r/PurplePillDebate19/01/26 02:22 PM
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1.Irresponsible is something I agree with you on, men need to care more. I to dislike this. 2.Hoes are definitely not AS viable, it's a very big negative. Easier to overlook if it is no longer true though (still a big negative) There is a difference between intelligence and education..... but in general I never liked my friends more or less based off of their education/intelligence, but things like nice and being pleasant to be around definitely play a role, similar reasoning. Next part is going…
/r/PurplePillDebate19/01/26 02:16 PM
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Buying flowers is not the usual hoop men talk about Then why are you focusing on the bracket that i only added for accuracy instead of where I said most men are not against going on a date with women? Doesn't make a lot of sense
/r/PurplePillDebate19/01/26 02:07 PM
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It did degrade into that which is when I stopped texting the last 1, but generally it's a bunch of me asking questions, and getting an answer sure, but no questions back or anything beyond just answering the question (how was your day, what plans do you have for the day/weekend, asking about food/shows etc...) I can look at the messages right now and see like 6 times more words from my side. Also texting 1st almost always seemed to be my job with them. Also there is a lot of me questioning if I …
/r/PurplePillDebate19/01/26 02:02 PM
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But you used these examples to try and imply that they aren't jumping through hoops because you can point to some hoops they aren't jumping through Didn't say walking date, a lot in-between a walking date and an expensive one. most men will go on dates with women if given the chance, the ones that don't are a minority that don't have to jump through hoops which men here talk about different standards for men constantly
/r/PurplePillDebate19/01/26 01:46 PM
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Flowers aren't the only hoop. The only guys saying no to dates are the ones with no issues getting women lol, how many men do you think are against going on a date with a woman (maybe against expensive ones)
/r/PurplePillDebate19/01/26 01:33 PM
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Men in general tend to have to attract women usually and as many men here will attest to, this is very true on dating apps. Aside from dating apps where men need to try and stand out and be entertaining in my offline life I've recently had 2 women that I "fumbled" due to not being entertaining enough. One literally called me a boring texter, which isn't necessarily untrue bit was definitely putting in more effort than her..... women do not realize how hard it is to seem "fun" when you aren't giv…
/r/PurplePillDebate19/01/26 01:31 PM
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“I don’t want to be a stepdad” = statement about one’s own role “Kids are baggage” = statement about children’s value Both are saying they don't want to raise someone else's kids.... doesn't that show less "value"? Why does using an analogy make it worse to you? And “baggage” is literally: an inanimate burden something that lowers value something you’d prefer not to carry Yes it matches some points, but it's missing the key component where it's speech that is used to justify treating people less…
/r/PurplePillDebate19/01/26 12:51 PM
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You should be working to get money for yourself and the future of your marriage (money is often an issue and more money would allow for vacations and stuff). I don't understand why you would feel negatively about men not wanting you for your money.
/r/PurplePillDebate19/01/26 12:40 PM
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Lilith you are cemented as this subs queen strawmanner lmao Google ai on the difference between an analogy and dehumanizing "Dehumanization is the act of stripping individuals or groups of human qualities, reducing them to objects or animals to justify abuse or indifference. An analogy is a neutral cognitive tool used to compare two different things to explain or clarify an idea. The fundamental difference lies in intent and effect: an analogy aims to explain, while dehumanization aims to denigr…
/r/PurplePillDebate19/01/26 12:17 PM
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You need to look up the definition of dehumanizing, if you think an analogy is the same. Nice to see even women calling you out for your BS about men wanting to be desired being bad though lol
/r/PurplePillDebate19/01/26 11:04 AM
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Dude this is a bad example, while bitch is a gendered term (that is often used by sexist men), it is about personality not their mere existence, it's just the female version of calling a dude a dick, neither are inherently sexist.
/r/LeftWingMaleAdvocates18/01/26 06:43 AM
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You mean you and Lilith? Lmao Reddit likes to argue strawmen, that's not showing I'm wrong. Take this conversation for example, you seem to agree with what I said, you just disagreed with the strawman your assumption built up At worse you could say that I'm bad at getting my point across, but I think this conversation is a great example if you heard what you wanted to hear and I had to spend too much time just correcting you.
/r/PurplePillDebate17/01/26 01:07 PM
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Nope, just making things up. Do you you actually have anything to argue with what I said or just your strawman versions?
/r/PurplePillDebate17/01/26 12:57 PM
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It can’t be a straw man when people are responding to you saying extreme things. It is a strawman when you are pretending they mean different things instead of just admitting you don't like how the sentiment is expressed
/r/PurplePillDebate17/01/26 12:52 PM
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You prove you strawman with almost every post you make lol. No, the dehumanizing children is not the same thing as not wanting to be a stepdad It's not dehumanizing, but regardless, calling it baggage or just saying you don't want to be a step-dad is both saying you don’t want a woman with a kid..... you just don't like the way it is expressed and pretend it's something that it isn't
/r/PurplePillDebate17/01/26 12:45 PM
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Thats an insecure man that doesnt value relationships. This is why I said “you want to be worshipped”. If the goal is to be in love, You keep trying to conflate "enjoy company" with "in love with", 2 different things. I have enjoyed the company of most of the women that I dated, but that doesn't mean I was in love with them or that it Is enough for a lifelong commitment
/r/PurplePillDebate17/01/26 12:41 PM
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When one wants to be friends and the other doesn't is different from when one doesn't want to be friends because the other is a woman. I know it is, that is why I was talking about the former and keep telling you that what you are talking about is a different story, that is the whole point
/r/PurplePillDebate17/01/26 12:37 PM
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That's the same freaking thing! This isn't dialing back, that's just re-wording it lmao. So you just hate how men say things, not what they say?
/r/PurplePillDebate17/01/26 12:31 PM
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I am not saying that, I'm saying that when one wants to be friends and the other doesn't that more often than not that it's the woman wanting to be friends with the guy. If the only thing a man is doing is not wanting to be friends with someone is awful would you have this same opinion of women or are you just assuming awful reasons from a man doing a completely normal thing?
/r/PurplePillDebate17/01/26 12:29 PM
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You are just twisting it into the extreme versions though, most of my comments aren't extreme (mentioned in my other reply I just made)
/r/PurplePillDebate17/01/26 12:25 PM
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You are leaving out the part where the only reason she is choosing him is that she couldn't get commitment from the men she is MORE INTERESTED IN And this is what I said. You are the one leaving out nuance and going to the extreme by implying that she is either in love with him or dislikes even being in their company..... being "good enough" shouldn't be seen as enough for a person
/r/PurplePillDebate17/01/26 12:24 PM
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How is me not bringing this up earlier make it not nuanced? I have a hard enough time keeping you from twisting my words to mean something else and if you would lay off of that a little we could actually get into more nuanced parts of the conversation. Not my fault you made an assumption and just ran with it. I don't know what assumptions are in your head and you tend to think the worse of men anyways so it's not like I can address every negative assumption you may possibly have Edit: that comme…
/r/PurplePillDebate17/01/26 12:09 PM
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Why wouldn't they be? Lmao Not saying they have to have a horrible time either, just not good enough that they want a friendship with the person...... this seems to be how we treat the majority of the people we meet day to day, why are you acting like this is some awful thing?
/r/PurplePillDebate17/01/26 11:52 AM
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Often they don't which is one of the reasons relationships fail. This is what is supposed to be figured out during dating and I agree it's hard to figure out, but you act like you can never know which is just untrue.
/r/PurplePillDebate17/01/26 11:49 AM
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Rhe problem here is you are starting it off with the assumption that you both had an amazing time and that he has a blanket rule of not wanting to be platonic friends with women. I'm saying that often we just don't want the friendship with the person. Not wanting to be friends with someone doesn't make you awful/garbage.
/r/PurplePillDebate17/01/26 11:43 AM
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And why would it feel like she settled? All because she was able to hookup with dudes hotter than the dudes she’s dating long term. That’s it. You are leaving out the part where the only reason she is choosing him is that she couldn't get commitment from the men she is more interested in.... this makes it self respect, not insecurity. Add that part and spread it around and see what people think if you want, lol you won't like the results
/r/PurplePillDebate17/01/26 11:33 AM
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No you just like to pretend they are I went through explaining my position. But don't worry, I dont mind compiling it so everyone can see the summary of the problem. Go ahead, as long as you don't misrepresent me people will see it's crazy Lilith nonsense vs common sense like usual
/r/PurplePillDebate17/01/26 11:06 AM
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People want to be a good lover to those that love them back. People settle even when they're with the best people they can get. People also feel "well, I couldn't do better". So no, this is about ego. These men don't love their partner they want validation and it hurts their ego to know she has done better. You proved this is about feeling like the best. That's a long way of saying women wouldn't like it either lmao The men you are describing do not a fuck about relationships. They want to use w…
/r/PurplePillDebate17/01/26 10:55 AM
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Relationship with the wrong person is definitely a loss Men generally want to have a relationship and dont feel humiliated when theyre the beset relationship for a woman they love. Not about humiliation, no one wants to be this, ask women if they want to be the "well I couldn't get better" girlfriend Men generally dont despise kids such as objectify them as ‘baggage’. On average men don't want to raise another man's kid, why pretend otherwise? Also, seems weird youre in a sub of men constantly b…
/r/PurplePillDebate17/01/26 10:28 AM
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You keep calling it insecurity, but I think anyone with self respect would want more than that if they are deciding to spend the rest of their life with someone. Oh no. People outgrow their wild phase when they get older and want a family instead of staying wild and keep having instability in their life. I thought you guys wanted women to choose better? Men generally want that without the "hoe phase", especially when it comes with baggage like kids/trauma
/r/PurplePillDebate17/01/26 03:24 AM
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Generally people aren't openly those things, but people often did enjoy their time together, but obviously that's not all that matters. So yes, you normally deal with gold diggers, manipulative, or desperate women. That's not normal. Women often admit to going after the more stable "boring" guy later in life. Doesn't seem to be as uncommon as you are making it out to be. YOU created that false dichotomy and then back tracked when I criticized it. There is a big difference between merely not bein…
/r/PurplePillDebate17/01/26 03:04 AM
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Very telling you found being around dishonest, cheating, shitty people enjoyable to be around. Do you tell that to anyone who has a bad ex? Do you normally hang out with gold diggers? Not normally but women will often date men for other reasons than just really being into them.... usually around time to settle So you created your own straw man, but then call it bad faith to argue against it. No you are just insistent on twisting it into "not the best she had" for some reason
/r/PurplePillDebate17/01/26 01:46 AM
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What part of that is saying that you have to be the best she ever had? That is what we call hyperbole Elaborate. Honesty, faithfulness, character oh and whether or not they actually are sexually attracted to you lol
/r/PurplePillDebate16/01/26 11:55 PM
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Not only improving your SMV, also helps with other things like deciding how you want to go about dating (like whether looking for marriage/short-term/casual)
/r/PurplePillDebate16/01/26 11:20 PM
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There is a big difference between being settled for and not being the best she ever had, but why would I expect you to start actually arguing in good faith instead of hyperbole and strawman spewing. Does she enjoy your company? Do you enjoy her company? Nothing else matters unless you didnt actually enter a relationship for love. Naive, plenty else matters. "Enjoying each other's company" is only a start in a committed relationship........ now if you are just having fun, 100% agree that is all t…
/r/PurplePillDebate16/01/26 11:18 PM
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How women tend to go about dating seems pretty relevant and useful information for any man that would be dating women. Your problem doesn't seem to be relevance, just men complaining in general.
/r/PurplePillDebate16/01/26 11:12 PM
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A serious person doesnt have low self-esteem and desperate for validation. Thats a teenager. And this is just your opinion on it being insecurity, doesn't make it true “You dont like me if you dont worship me!” that’s a narcissistic manchild. What have I said would suggest that a woman needs to worship the guy? Actually desiring them? Lmfao does this mean men are worshipping every woman they want to sleep with? You have weird definitions
/r/PurplePillDebate16/01/26 10:36 PM
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I was talking about men, you started talking about the women hating part of incels..... Is she supposed to keep dating through the chads till she finds the right family guy among them? Either be upfront about why you are marrying someone or don't marry someone just because they can "give you a better life" Fuck some of you can't seem to grasp wanting to actually be desired vs being wanted for what you can do for someone (would assume because you haven't experienced it much)
/r/PurplePillDebate16/01/26 10:08 PM
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So men are awful because they aren't as interested in being platonic friends as women are? How exactly is that proving your point of men being awful to be around? (Again, friendzone wouldn't exist if this was true)
/r/PurplePillDebate16/01/26 10:02 PM
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That isn't insecurity in oneself Are we enjoying other’s company? Yes? Cool, And just leave it as fun instead of getting serious with someone that isn't that into you is what I would suggest
/r/PurplePillDebate16/01/26 10:00 PM
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So you are talking about a minority of a minority, got it. i fail to see anything in yours, aside from the lingering stench of self entitlement of placing the blame on the Woman as apposed to the male who is choosing to enable her selection. Why would they hate men for just sleeping with who they want instead of women trying to use men they see as less attractive? It would be similar to many women hating on "fuckboys"
/r/PurplePillDebate16/01/26 09:58 PM
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Per red pill definitions they would be low value (or at least not high), not necessarily beta I think
/r/PurplePillDebate16/01/26 09:17 PM
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Wait so are we talking about "men" or incels? And which incels.... the term used for men that are seen as anti women or men that can't get laid? And are these men hating women for sleeping with Chad or are they hating on women that go through a hoe phase sleeping with "chads" and then settle down with an average guy either due to an inability to lock chad down or being in need of a more financially well off/stable partner?
/r/PurplePillDebate16/01/26 09:08 PM
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Would you prefer being the best your partner could keep (and originally would have thought you weren't good enough) or them choosing you instead of settling?
/r/PurplePillDebate16/01/26 08:49 PM
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"Friendzone" basically wouldn't exist if this was true. When sex is off the table it seems far more likely for women to want to be around men than vice versa, take that as you will.
/r/PurplePillDebate16/01/26 06:59 PM
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Tends to be what they want as well, trust me (not like I'm bagging virgins on the dating apps lol) Back to what Im saying. You guys keep thinking everything leads back to sexual attraction. Just because a woman wish she could find a great guy doesn’t mean she wishes it’s the 10 out of 10 dudes she was begging. And back to what I was saying...... there is an attraction hurdle the man generally has to reach (which womwn will agree). The only question here is how much a woman's ability to sleep wit…
/r/PurplePillDebate16/01/26 06:49 PM
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I do not mean tinder, I was talking about dating apps in general. I can't say how common it is in general since I don't know of any stats specifically for the "3 date rule", but I personally never went past the 3rd date without sleeping together with women i met through dating apps, but that's more common where I live. You are still talking about looks. Yes because when I said "great guy" I was talking about looks + personality.... where is the issue here?
/r/PurplePillDebate16/01/26 06:37 PM
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Hmmmm now we may have to disagree a bit, depends on the girl, area and how you meet. Dating app stats for instance tends to have many women hooking up on the 1st date at least once and 3rd I would assume is likely Then what does that have to do with women being able to sleep with hot guys in a hook up? Well the theory is that their ability to hook up with attractive men makes them think that's what their league is, somewhat understandably.
/r/PurplePillDebate16/01/26 06:23 PM
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Most guys don't expect women to fuck on the 1st date regularly. They do want to be the kind of guy that they do though I’m going to hold you accountable for what you say and don’t say. I said they seem to think they deserve such a great guy.... not that they say "great guy" and mean hot. So yes let's go with what I said and not you trying to say it doesn't count because they don't say it out loud lol. They do act like they deserve a guy with an above average personality and above average looks
/r/PurplePillDebate16/01/26 06:15 PM
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Well the theory some men will have (myself included more or less) will be that this is often later down the line and men don't want to be the one "settled" for because they couldn't lock down the guys they were sleeping with
/r/PurplePillDebate16/01/26 06:07 PM
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No I'm talking about the general population, even if most women don't engage in hookups regularly it's not a small minority that has done it before. Even worse from an observational perspective for me personally and have to remind myself that I just live in a "ghetto area" that makes these things more common. Thats not even the same thing as what you previously said. The attractive part is implied, they are talking about other qualities but they also mean hot..... there are already many men arou…
/r/PurplePillDebate16/01/26 06:01 PM
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Because there are many women that indeed due engage in hookup behavior, men here will have varying degrees to how much they believe this is going on, but unless you are trying to suggest it doesn't happen I don't see where you would be surprised that many men wish they could be the kind of guy that is able to engage in it. Dude, I have a post from sometime ago, showing men getting upset with women that they could raise their look standards. And I bet you many men there called it out for being du…
/r/PurplePillDebate16/01/26 05:36 PM
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Ugh Lilith and the strawmen attack again Men here definitely do talk about how sex is different for women Men sleeping lower than their league isn't "blamed on women", it's one of the things people point to to try and explain why so many women seem to think that they deserve such a great guy and won't settle for less
/r/PurplePillDebate16/01/26 05:26 PM
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"If I can't be a hoe I don't want any men at all" Weird logic, but you do you
/r/PurplePillDebate16/01/26 10:26 AM
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Saying they wouldn't be involved and saying they wouldn't care are 2 different things. Like is your belief coming from thinking humans are inherently selfish or do you believe that men in the manosphere specifically only care about male issues that affect them personally? Like I'm not an incel myself, but I definitely feel bad for those guys (although I do often wonder how many of them have went for a big and/or ugly girl and if they don't I tend to feel less bad)
/r/PurplePillDebate08/01/26 08:17 PM
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Yes and no. He is also saying that the manosphere doesn't care about men's issues in general
/r/PurplePillDebate08/01/26 06:41 PM
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Saying "nuh uh" is not an argument Honestly if you are totally going to misrepresent me already I can already tell this is going nowhere..... I have been arguing different things on different points, just because you don't agree with my arguments (which seems to be just because it goes against your made up conclusions that you have no proof of) doesn't mean it doesn't exist. I'll take the opportunity to leave now before you continue with this disingenuous kind of arguing
/r/PurplePillDebate07/01/26 01:23 AM
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Great, then anyone anywhere can say anything because somebody else somewhere has said something. Occams razor If it's already shown to be done in general because of politics, it seems a lot more likely to be the cause than a secret agenda to only pretend to care about male issues. You have yet to actually refute anything I've said beyond "well people elsewhere said something too" Not what I said. You gave 3 examples and I argue all 3 and continuing to argue 2 of them. (Because 1 was legitimately…
/r/PurplePillDebate06/01/26 09:51 PM
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But it's not a valid reason. But it's a true reason You are welcome to refute them, but I get the feeling you can't actually do that. That's exactly what I'm doing lmao Yes it was. how is them thinking it sucks that men have to choose between divorce and knowing if a kid is theirs showing that they don't care about men?
/r/PurplePillDebate06/01/26 07:59 PM
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This is a meaningless "both sides" deflection. No this is showing a reason something is happening besides "they just don't care about men", sorry if it hurts your narrative, but you either haven't been paying attention if you haven't noticed this or just believe your own sides BS I know because I wrote them. Just because that is your narrative, doesn't mean the posts actually show that No, it's about the manosphere ignoring men's issues so they can bash women and feminists. No it wasn't..... how…
/r/PurplePillDebate06/01/26 07:26 PM
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1st isn't even what we are talking about, just things they believe that you don't lol. 2nd is more of a political issue.... male or female, democrat or republican..... they tend to have blinders on for "their side" 3rd is you just being mad they don't like your alternatives..... like with the paternity issue you downplay the fact that they are likely to be divorced if they go this route lol, like you didn't even deny it you just acted like that wasn't a reasonable thing to want to avoid
/r/PurplePillDebate06/01/26 06:58 PM
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This just isn't true. Went through 6 months of your posts and the only other 1 I saw was you complaining about them raising fitness standards for combat roles (seemed to originally think it was for everyone). Which saying they need to be up in arms about that or they don't care about men's issues is crazy talk to day the least. People complain about issues all the time, the ones that are going to be male specific are also going to be judged by how it's different than it is for women like is ofte…
/r/PurplePillDebate06/01/26 06:37 PM
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So unless men specifically care about bi-men only issues they don't care about men? That is a wild leap there
/r/PurplePillDebate06/01/26 06:20 PM
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I'm not saying anyone is "obsessing" of them, statistically women care a lot more about $$$ than men and men care about looks a lot more than women (when it comes to marriage), but they both care about the finances/looks at least somewhat But you dont do facts. You claimed women are obsessed with money. No I didn't, claimed they cared a lot more than men and then proved it. Why are you trying to move the goalpost to "if they aren't obsessed, it doesn't count"?
/r/PurplePillDebate23/12/25 03:16 PM
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But women value it a lot more in a potential partner than men..... just like everyone values attractiveness in dating, if men are shallow for this then why would you suggest women aren't for valuing money? The unrealistic standards is more debatable, dating app stats show a very low swipe ratio, but either way I believe women eventually become more realistic IRL. treating people like individuals and not as an entire gender would not be odd to them. Treating people as individuals and recognizing …
/r/PurplePillDebate23/12/25 01:34 PM
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Good ideas, may try that next time, thanks. Last girl I dated took me to a paint and sip a few times which was fun until I sipped too much once lmao (i broke things off later though since wasn't that into her and wanted to focus on work) Yeah it might be too late if you ghosted lol Well I wouldn't call it ghosted, I just stop putting in unreciprocated effort (i just stopped texting her first after some days of nothing but 1 word replies that made me feel like i was bugging her or something, coul…
/r/PurplePillDebate22/12/25 10:38 AM
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That is interesting indeed. Things be different in NZ I guess
/r/PurplePillDebate22/12/25 01:04 AM
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It's a link showing what they value $$$ So they dont value anyone as people. No that just means that your personal idea of what "treating like people" is is just your odd opinion, not some sort of metric of any use
/r/PurplePillDebate21/12/25 06:49 PM
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Edited
/r/PurplePillDebate21/12/25 06:41 PM
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Not going over my head, that's just a catch22 there if you didn't notice Need to show that him getting rid of his obligation is to a consenting adult to show that he has an obligation with rights...... but then you are suggesting that I can't do that because we haven't decided he has rights to give away lmao
/r/PurplePillDebate21/12/25 06:36 PM
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That's what we were talking about! Why are you throwing this into a circle again? We were talking about how him being able to renounce his obligation isn't unilateral since it's to a consenting adult...... and then you switch it to having to argue if he has guardianship to begin with again!?
/r/PurplePillDebate21/12/25 06:19 PM
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Not sole guardianship, but yes he does
/r/PurplePillDebate21/12/25 06:10 PM
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The man would either be transferring guardianship to the mother or the state, if the mother doesn't want guardianship she doesn't have to accept it
/r/PurplePillDebate21/12/25 06:05 PM
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The law which allows the custodial guardian to suspend that guardianship only through a consensual transfer of guardianship to another consenting adult, in contrast to your claim that men can simply renounce their obligations or assert their rights as they please. No I'm talking about to a consenting adult, the mother doesn't have to consent if she doesn't want to, the state will.
/r/PurplePillDebate21/12/25 05:57 PM
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Well there’s usually the law, which requires her to either provide care or to transfer care to a willing and consensual guardian.... Yes the law that makes it so she doesn't have an obligation that she can't relinquish, that's the point In adoption or recourse to safe havens, both the child’s guardian and the recipient adult consent. You’re asserting a right for men to claim rights over their children unilaterally, without anyone’s consent. No, I'm saying that unless he renounces his obligations…
/r/PurplePillDebate21/12/25 05:49 PM
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This isn't true, if the man renounced his obligations there is nothing forcing the woman to keep her obligation so it would either be consensual or they give it to the state which would be consensual (Obviously not whenever they please, there would have to be a window of time to make this decision, preferably pre-birth which also leaves abortion on the table)
/r/PurplePillDebate21/12/25 05:38 PM
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Setting aside the fact that men currently also have recourse to these options, Disagree somewhat but a moot point no, the existence of adoption or safe havens do not change anything about my argument, as I have explained to you repeatedly and consistently. A man asserting rights over a child to whom he owes no obligations would be like the state simply seizing a child. Nothing you just said argues against what I said, you are comparing the father to the wrong thing in this analogy.... it would b…
/r/PurplePillDebate21/12/25 05:29 PM
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Nope, adoption/giving to state..... no permission from father needed if it stays hidden.
/r/PurplePillDebate21/12/25 05:18 PM
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And I have already mentioned multiple times that a woman has the option to hide the pregnancy and get rid of the kid unilaterally..... so does she not have rights now?
/r/PurplePillDebate21/12/25 05:16 PM
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How is a safe haven a consenting adult? Lol it's just giving them to the state. You were just saying that the ability to opt out makes you ineligible for rights? And I bet you will switch up the logic again after this, Why do you move the goalpost anytime your logic is shown to be false? How is this not just you trying to reach the conclusion you want?
/r/PurplePillDebate21/12/25 05:11 PM
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Sure they can we talked about adoption and safe havens already, they don't even need to tell the father..... by your logic of being able to opt out they shouldn't have any rights either
/r/PurplePillDebate21/12/25 04:56 PM
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By this logic women have no rights either, hell couples don't either. See this is the issue, you aren't coming to a conclusion due to the logic.... you picked the conclusion already and are fighting tooth and nail to find the logic that will get you there lmao
/r/PurplePillDebate21/12/25 04:33 PM
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Yeah if they choose to not take the responsibility like the mother could have.
/r/PurplePillDebate21/12/25 04:28 PM
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Then men would bear the same responsibilities to any children they fathered as women do. Not without being able to opt out like a woman. Same responsibilities/rights should come with same opportunities.
/r/PurplePillDebate21/12/25 04:21 PM
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I've answered it plenty of times.... either from the same place as a woman's or with the DNA pick whichever you prefer Yes, it does. No it doesn't. You suggested obligation was what gave women rights but they aren't forced with obligation either. You are purposely trying to be as selective as possible to get the answer you want, but it still boils down to the fact that evidently the rights do not come from the inability to opt out..... this isn't an opinion this is the reality we can see since w…
/r/PurplePillDebate21/12/25 04:06 PM
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Totally agree (although instead of a low tolerance I have a bad habit of thinking more will be better lol). I haven't done any active dates in the beginning, but a coffee or a drink date I have done. And I'm sort of in a situation where I want to do something with this girl but no idea what kind of date to do..... probably moot though since I think she already lost interest even though she is the 1 that asked for my number (I'm getting 1 word replies now and because of that I haven't messaged he…
/r/PurplePillDebate21/12/25 04:00 PM
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Yes but none of that changes the fact that the ability to opt out doesnt keep someone from having rights. Are you just trying to get as specific as possible so you can say "see it's different from women so that means you either are obligated or have no rights" lol. It's obvious that you are trying to find paths to your conclusion instead actually following a logical conclusion
/r/PurplePillDebate21/12/25 03:53 PM
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