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DebateJollyRoger66689/r/PurplePillDebate10/08/24 06:58 PM
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I don’t know anyone who at least couldn’t shoot their shot from a past and have to rely on all new options. No one is denying their ability to "shoot their shot", but are they actually doing it is the question but most men around me do have someone from their past that they can rely on to meet their needs should their relationship end. Yeah I don't think most men I know have people they can just hit up for some sex if their relationship ends.
/r/PurplePillDebate28/07/26 03:16 AM
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Looking for new options. Most men around you hookup with an ex after a relationship fails? I really don't think this is the norm
/r/PurplePillDebate28/07/26 02:45 AM
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I believe whether consciously or subconsciously that most people in committed relationships have accessible access to past interests should their current relationship end thereby retaining back up options. I believe that this is normal and I believe that this is reasonable Oh, then I just disagree. I don't think most people are subconsciously keeping backup options around. There is a bit of a stereotype of women doing this, but I don't think most men are hooking up with backup options after a re…
/r/PurplePillDebate28/07/26 02:28 AM
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Just having the ability to do something (due to the internet) is not the same as keeping people around due to seeing them as a backup option. Trying to view the 2 as basically the same sounds more like you are trying to downplay how messed up it is to keep backup options around even if you are in a relationship
/r/PurplePillDebate28/07/26 02:09 AM
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Not dealing in absolutes, just using the same logic. People are just way too willing to throw around words that don't fit just because they like the way it sounds. Is there a reason this would be sociopathic but other examples wouldn't be?
/r/PurplePillDebate27/07/26 01:44 PM
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I was just using their terminology to argue their own logic with..... really weird to come after me for it instead of the person that originally said it
/r/PurplePillDebate27/07/26 12:37 PM
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By that logic anyone prioritizing their own happiness over others is a sociopath, just a ridiculous thing to believe
/r/PurplePillDebate27/07/26 12:28 PM
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Only if we are under the belief that a man trying to sleep with you has some underlying assumption of wanting a relationship or something unless stated otherwise......... I do not agree with this belief. If the relationship part is a deal breaker then why have sex before a relationship? This doesn’t make sense, is there a reason women simply refuse to wait for a relationship? (If that is a deal breaker.... if not, cool)
/r/PurplePillDebate23/07/26 09:32 PM
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When did I say men should lie about their intentions? I don't remember doing this You have a very low var for what you consider sociopathic, hope you keep that standard for women as well
/r/PurplePillDebate23/07/26 07:35 PM
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No, I said they shouldn't just assume there is intent to marry. In this context though I'm saying they shouldn't just assume that the intent to sleep with means the man also intends to date them. Being consistent here
/r/PurplePillDebate23/07/26 07:22 PM
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Your post proves me correct. Men are bad. That is what we were supposed to be arguing against? "Men bad"? Lmao
/r/PurplePillDebate23/07/26 07:19 PM
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I did not describe men this way..... being able to logically think about something does not make you some kind of sociopath, that's crazy
/r/PurplePillDebate23/07/26 07:18 PM
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Pretty much, yeah
/r/PurplePillDebate23/07/26 07:16 PM
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That isn't calling it rape, even catcalling is considered "sexual assault" lol
/r/PurplePillDebate23/07/26 07:15 PM
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I didn't say get better AT relationships though, I'm saying they will have better relationships since they won't waste their time on bad ones
/r/PurplePillDebate23/07/26 07:09 PM
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Yeah if you notice she has the wrong idea you should say something and vice versa, but a lot of people aren't even sure if they want to get married or not and a lot of men kind of just date with the idea that if they find someone they want to marry they will and if not they won't (I assume the same is for women). So it's a bit confusing when this needs to be brought up since they are usually in the relationship already when they decide they aren't trying to marry this girl and unless she has bro…
/r/PurplePillDebate23/07/26 06:47 PM
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Aw yeah I can see that, this was more advice for the kind of men that have this scarcity mindset. My bad, I totally did not clarify...... I don't have experience with an abundance of options so I kind of forgot about those that have too much casual sex lol
/r/PurplePillDebate23/07/26 06:24 PM
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I was just saying that of course men aren't going to say it's ok to make her think otherwise. Dating without the intention is fine though, especially in this day and age where plenty of people don't even want to get married. The person with the standard should be the one to ask about this kind of thing and not just assume others are wanting the same thing as them
/r/PurplePillDebate23/07/26 06:19 PM
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Agreed, but with the caveat that they don't necessarily have to say it on the date/day they realize it. Similar to how I think a woman doesn't necessarily have to tell a man that she isn't interested before he offers to pick up the bill if she realizes it during the date
/r/PurplePillDebate23/07/26 06:16 PM
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Instead of expecting men to be upfront and telling women something like "hey after getting to know you (or too ugly) I'm not actually interested in a serious relationship with you but still willing to smash if you are down" I think it's a lot more reasonable for the person who doesn't like casual sex to just not engage in casual sex
/r/PurplePillDebate23/07/26 05:35 PM
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Definitely not all I comment, I have made a similar post a couple of months ago, but no I don't solely focus on casual sex or anything like that so not sure where you are getting this from honestly (maybe just multiple men saying women aren't entitled to relationships) Yeah sending mixed signals to make them stay is deceptive, but I wouldn't call sleeping with someone (or hitting on them) while not wanting a relationship a mixed signal.
/r/PurplePillDebate23/07/26 05:25 PM
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It's not their job, but they also aren't entitled to a relationship just because they had sex with a guy
/r/PurplePillDebate23/07/26 04:56 PM
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Sure some men lie to get laid, but them going on a date and sleeping with someone without wanting a relationship with them is not lying. You don’t need to date to get sex And you don't have to sleep with someone you aren't in a relationship with. This should be common sense but women like to make things more complicated than they really are (or just like the plausible deniability), it makes no sense to me to sleep with someone outside of a relationship if the relationship is so important to them…
/r/PurplePillDebate23/07/26 04:55 PM
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Yeah the idea is just women lower than their own SMV, although definitely would not have considered myself a 6/7 (maybe now after a lot of weight loss and muscle gain, but 7 is still pushing it too far).
/r/PurplePillDebate23/07/26 04:37 PM
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The "let her think otherwise" is the part where you are going to lose most men. Many men will date a woman with no intention of ever marrying her, dating isn't just a prelude to marriage anymore and it's on the person that wants marriage to let their wants to be known. Most of the women I was in a relationship with I had 0 intention of marrying.
/r/PurplePillDebate23/07/26 04:29 PM
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Alright cool, not sure why what you find pathetic matters in this conversation, but good for you I guess.
/r/PurplePillDebate23/07/26 04:20 PM
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So meaning to say they’re likely aiming for 6s & above this they struggle with dating/finding a match. But if they can casually sleep with a 3 and get some confidence (or whatever skills gained from casual sex), they can possibly get into a relationship with a 4 or 5 Partly, even if they can rarely obtain what they are going after they may get stuck in this scarcity mindset where they will stay in a bad relationship since it seems preferable to going back to their sexless past self. This is less…
/r/PurplePillDebate23/07/26 04:18 PM
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It does say how it helps them not stay/get into bad relationships though (if you disagree that doesn't change this). You just prefer to argue against a strawman.
/r/PurplePillDebate23/07/26 04:09 PM
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People in general tend to hide things about themselves in the beginning and can potentially make many people rapists by this definition. I get that you want to tie this action to something that already is hated, but it just devalues what rape actually is, but hey I guess just lying about the situation beats having to confront your double standard.
/r/PurplePillDebate23/07/26 04:07 PM
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lowering your standards for casual fun helps remind men that sex/relationships aren't some unattainable goal and would help men remember that they don't have to stay in a bad relationship or settle. You will have a baseline to remember that you could have a relationship if you were desperate enough, but you are aiming for a woman that is worth it and not just taking any woman that is willing.
/r/PurplePillDebate23/07/26 04:03 PM
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Doesn't change the stats, this about generalities. Whether or not you personally find someone ugly or hot will not change this
/r/PurplePillDebate23/07/26 04:01 PM
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Did you even read the post? I feel like you are asking questions to things I already mentioned..... one of those people that just reply to the title?
/r/PurplePillDebate23/07/26 03:58 PM
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It's not about them being better in a relationship, it's about them being less willing to stay/get into a bad relationship.
/r/PurplePillDebate23/07/26 03:55 PM
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Ok, so? sleeping with someone doesn't entitle you to a relationship. Having sex outside of a relationship should only be done by people that are ok with it even if it doesn't end up in a relationship. I really don't get why women are so against this idea if it's that important to them.
/r/PurplePillDebate23/07/26 03:50 PM
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Do you think women SHOULD trust men less just because they can't just expect a relationship is available to them with the men they sleep with? Waiting until a relationship sounds like the solution if this is important to them otherwise it sounds like you just want this to be the case to punish men for sleeping with women they don't want to date
/r/PurplePillDebate23/07/26 03:41 PM
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If the 2 options are using the sex source even if it increases the chances of drying up or not using it so it doesn't dry up then I would argue the former is better for the guy...... if they have a better option then yeah use that
/r/PurplePillDebate23/07/26 03:18 PM
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Well many men will stay in a bad relationship because they fear they may not find another one if they lose it, but I think knowing that you could always lower your standards to at least scratch that sexual itch will help men feel desperate enough to hold on to bad relationships out of fear of loneliness.
/r/PurplePillDebate23/07/26 03:13 PM
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Usually in hopes of a relationship or because they can't get the more attractive men..... you don't have to be better looking than most men, just better looking than most of her options.
/r/PurplePillDebate23/07/26 03:05 PM
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Partly a self esteem issue..... men "sleep down" in general, weight is just one of the (big) components of this. Even if you were better looking/skinnier there would still be men not attracted to you trying to hit, just to a less degree. BBW is a popular porn category for a reason ( I do dislike when people assume I'm going to find a woman attractive just because she is fat though, like they think it's somehow different than them not finding every skinny girl attractive)
/r/PurplePillDebate23/07/26 03:03 PM
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Confidence and not having a "scarcity mindset"
/r/PurplePillDebate23/07/26 02:58 PM
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Yes, you, right now..... jk jk
/r/PurplePillDebate23/07/26 02:57 PM
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"I'll take what I can get" "horny sometimes. I can pretend sometimes that they want to be there." you also said you are not "committed monogamous person". This does indeed sounds like sometimes you use men for sex, maybe you see it differently because you feel like you have been placed in this position of "sex only" by men in general, but doesn't change you doing it.
/r/PurplePillDebate23/07/26 02:57 PM
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This doesn't mathematically hold up though, the stats show a linear relationship with attractiveness, not some 80/20 "hoarding of sex" like that 1 dating app stat
/r/PurplePillDebate23/07/26 02:50 PM
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Saying it still exists is not the same as saying it doesn't help at all.
/r/PurplePillDebate23/07/26 02:49 PM
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Well yeah, but if they have an issue with sleeping with a man who isn't going to commit then waiting for commitment seems like what they should be doing to begin with right?
/r/PurplePillDebate23/07/26 02:47 PM
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Insecurity-wise Being able to sleep with ugly women is better than not being able to sleep with any women at all. Being sexless will not help a man's self worth unless he is sexless for a good personal reason
/r/PurplePillDebate23/07/26 02:45 PM
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Not a complete cure, but I would argue it helps with the insecurity
/r/PurplePillDebate23/07/26 02:40 PM
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Oh so you do have a double standard about being honest about not wanting to date someone? Interesting You are essentially raping that person. Because if you were actually honest with them, they wouldn’t have sex with you. Of course you would have this deluded idea of rape ffs
/r/PurplePillDebate23/07/26 02:40 PM
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The stats do show this.... you saying "but beauty is subjective" doesn't change this. So to clarify.... Yes women's standards play a bigger role, but men's standards also play a role (wouldn't have made the post if i thought otherwise)
/r/PurplePillDebate23/07/26 02:38 PM
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But the stats show that the amount of women men sleep with goes up with attractiveness and the opposite is true for women...... so women are sleeping up but mathematically it's not the most attractive men having all the sex. This doesn't help the absolute bottom tier of men's chances, but helps the rest of men
/r/PurplePillDebate23/07/26 02:36 PM
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So you want to use men sexually but are mad at men using you sexually just because they aren't attracted to you? Sounds like an ego problem. Plenty of men actually find fat women attractive to be fair (I'm one of them)
/r/PurplePillDebate23/07/26 02:32 PM
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But I get your last point though From a guy's perspective being able to casually sleep with a woman is usually harder than getting into a relationship with them.... if you can casually sleep with "3's" you should be able to get into a relationship with a "4" or "5" from our POV Interested to see if those men struggling with dating would give their input on this topic. Depending on what you mean by struggling I may fit the bill, I'm no player and takes a decent amount of effort to find a relation…
/r/PurplePillDebate23/07/26 02:30 PM
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What's in it for the women you're talking about though? What do they get out of it? Ummmm sex (also companionship depending on the level of casual)? If you are having casual sex while disliking sex you are doing it wrong. Isn't it humiliating to you that you're actively seeking out women you find unattractive to sleep with because the ones you find attractive don't want you? Less humiliating than no one wanting the guy. Also sometimes a drought just needs to be ended to help you get back into th…
/r/PurplePillDebate23/07/26 02:20 PM
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Openly admitting to lying to women and using them Do you also share this disdain for when women reject men without telling them the actual reason or does the inclusion of sex make it different in your eyes? In my view this is just a form of rejection and not wanting to be unnecessarily mean in doing so..... would saying they are too ugly to be in a relationship with somehow be better than saying you aren't interested in one?
/r/PurplePillDebate23/07/26 02:16 PM
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Lol yeah definitely an issue as well, but Our DM was good on that front, just bald and dorky (although hygiene from other members was questionable, but never talked about their sex life so just have assumptions about half of them.)
/r/PurplePillDebate23/07/26 02:11 PM
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Are you suggesting that being able to have casual sex in general is comparable to being able to have casual sex with "hordes of women"? Seems like you are arguing a strawman. Stats do show that the more attractive a man is the higher his body count is so the answer to your question would be standards and ability to do so
/r/PurplePillDebate23/07/26 02:08 PM
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Well on behalf of those other men, thank you for your service lol
/r/PurplePillDebate23/07/26 02:05 PM
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Like imagine fraternity and there are two men. And one will tell that i don't get sex for now, i'm busy/not in the mood/whatever excuse, and another will tell that he gets lots of sex but only from the uggos, fatties, because average girls are too much trouble. In this scenario person A either has to lie to himself and/or person B and for person B to believe it to have the result you are suggesting.... if we are going this far they can just lie about banging hotties A more accurate analogy would…
/r/PurplePillDebate23/07/26 02:03 PM
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If she validates my penis it's only fair of me to validate her :p
/r/PurplePillDebate23/07/26 01:55 PM
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Most men who struggle with relationships are already struggling to get dates, let alone casual sex. Unless you’re referring to paid sex. As for suggesting they sleep with uggos, Not sure why you separated these 2 like it's not connected.... yes if they are struggling lowering their standards would help right? I don’t think that’s a realistic solution either. I’m a woman, so I can’t speak for men with certainty, but my impression is that many men are willing to overlook incompatibilities in perso…
/r/PurplePillDebate23/07/26 01:54 PM
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Join a DnD group and get back to me lol. (Our DM was a virgin for instance)
/r/PurplePillDebate23/07/26 01:44 PM
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I didn't suggest lying to women or something.... if women have issues with men sleeping with them with 0 intention of a relationship they can just wait until a relationship to sleep with a guy. Not sure why women hate this idea, don't engage in sex outside of a relationship if the relationship part is a deal-breaker to you
/r/PurplePillDebate23/07/26 01:42 PM
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Casual sex is only about sex. Neither party is supposed to be in it for anything more than that. Why not? There are more benefits than just the sex if you want..... just because the sex is all YOU care about doesn't mean every guy should think the same. Never paid for a dating app and they still work (most likely less), there is literally a dating app for fat prople......... and I can attest it works lol. Not suggesting as soon as you lower your standards it becomes easy but it's a lot easier
/r/PurplePillDebate23/07/26 01:39 PM
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Having sex with uggos does not lower a man's status compared to having no sex, where are you getting this idea from? It doesn't even make sense to me, why would it? The logic is either he can get average/hot woman, or he can imagine that he can. Sure if those are the only 2 options..... I don't think most men that can't get laid are under the illusion they can get average/hot, those that are I suppose this wouldn't work for, this is more for those that aren't under this illusion. mhm. if that's …
/r/PurplePillDebate23/07/26 01:35 PM
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Just self focused.... a bit asshole-ish? Maybe, but only if you hide that you aren't looking for a relationship with them. Definitely never tell them that they are too ugly for a relationship and only good enough for sex, no need to be that brutally honest, just leave it as "not looking for a relationship right now" lmao
/r/PurplePillDebate23/07/26 01:26 PM
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If your only goal is the sex itself sure, this doesn't have the other mental benefits of sleeping with someone that actually wants to fuck you though, can also get pricey I'm assuming (My casual relationships were pretty low cost)
/r/PurplePillDebate23/07/26 01:21 PM
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I have no clue if this is a serious question..... do you think it's easy for most guys to get laid or something?
/r/PurplePillDebate23/07/26 01:18 PM
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Hard disagree, sure you get MORE status and reassurance from hot women than ugly women, but I can assure you that you still get some from ugly women as well. You seem to be comparing these 2 instead of comparing it to getting 0 sex at all. Men already put so little effort into getting sex, like i know that men want me to believe otherwise Men that don't have to or men that have given up don't, but yes I would say men in general put plenty of effort, you just don't notice how much that men do is …
/r/PurplePillDebate23/07/26 01:15 PM
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I showed the data in the post my guy lol. Even women that are not very attractive don't want to be considered "on sale", "discount". If a man tries to approach obese woman thinking that she'll give him a chance because she is even uglier than him - she'll tell him to go f himself. Do you think I'm suggesting that you should tell them that you are only interested in casual because you find them unattractive or just think they can tell? Stats clearly show that the uglier the woman is the more she …
/r/PurplePillDebate23/07/26 01:05 PM
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I dunno man, it's still pretty hard, have to disagree with you here. I know plenty of middle aged men that are virgins or close to it and even with my low as hell standards for casual it has usually taken plenty of effort (not always, but usually)
/r/PurplePillDebate23/07/26 01:00 PM
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You fundamentally misunderstand RP, it's descriptive of the situation, that's the whole point, to show how things "really are" that's where the name comes from. It can also be about how to operate within this system, but it's not about changing it
/r/PurplePillDebate23/07/26 12:18 PM
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No hypergamy just means going for higher than themselves, going for the hottest and tallest is different than being able to end up with them and is something most believe is the natural inclination of women due to only being able to get impregnated by one man at a time and wanting what is seen as the best for the offspring, not something that is the cause of men like you are suggesting. You are placing more importance on a relatively short time period and pretending women's mate selection came f…
/r/PurplePillDebate16/07/26 06:29 PM
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There was no need to control female sexuality, so women could sleep with anyone. Yeah I'm more talking about sleeping with people who they don't want to, not saying they can't sleep with others.... my words were pretty obvious. No, that's only the scholars who focus on recent post Neolithic history. The theories on pre-Neolithic era are different. And judging by the archeological findings, most men prior to grain-based diet was tall and in shape. These scholars do not say that women's taste in m…
/r/PurplePillDebate16/07/26 06:04 PM
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But does any of that suggest women had more choice in the past is what I am suggesting/asking. Like it is crazy to me that you are actually trying to pretend that men basically creating all of society was somehow a negative for women's choice. If you're asking, why in that case women aren't suddenly back to their pre-patriarchal state, then I don't know. Maybe 10k years of patrilinealism fucked up women's natural strategy. Maybe women got domesticated to a point they're just not horny enough now…
/r/PurplePillDebate16/07/26 05:04 PM
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Study after study also shows that women "sleep up", they may marry their equivalent eventually, but that's after some fun https://www.aarp.org/family-relationships/better-looking-people-are-not-having-more-sex/ "Sex: When and How Many: Very physically attractive women are more likely to form exclusive relationships than purely sexual ones, and are less likely to have sexual intercourse within the first week of meeting a partner. Presumably, says McClintock, this difference arises because these wo…
/r/PurplePillDebate16/07/26 03:58 PM
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Are you suggesting as society was built women had LESS choice? Because "no means no" didn't mean as much before that
/r/PurplePillDebate16/07/26 03:55 PM
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There is MGTOW and for the rest they are hoping to find a good 1 out of the bad, this all seems like things people are already doing or common sense why they aren't.
/r/PurplePillDebate15/07/26 11:24 PM
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The difference is that I'm not pro the movement. Just because the movement itself is bad doesn't mean everything they say is bad
/r/PurplePillDebate12/07/26 09:52 PM
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Which is why I consider myself purple pill, RP has the right idea, just not the greatest execution. They also exaggerate to an insane degree like the 80/20 stuff...... Statistically yeah women fuck men more attractive than themselves but it's not as bad as 80/20
/r/PurplePillDebate12/07/26 04:57 PM
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Yeah Andrew tate fans are horrible, my point is that it's less informative since only bad people are going to be fans to start with Your 2nd point was just a whataboutism, why wouldn't I dislike women being hypocritical
/r/PurplePillDebate11/07/26 06:46 PM
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Do you not understand the difference between a fanbase for a horrible person vs just a fanbase being horrible? Again, definitely not basing my opinion on this.... but it was definitely frustrating to see my concerns confirmed about women being hypocritical as hell, not just a little bit, Like living in a different reality bad
/r/PurplePillDebate11/07/26 06:08 PM
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Not basing it off of. Also not talking about the women in the show, it's the discussion from the watchers that screams double standards
/r/PurplePillDebate11/07/26 05:37 PM
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Disagree they like it as much as men, but 100% agree that it's because the attractive women are able to find a guy to commit that they want to commit to as well...... the ugly women are trying to bat out of their league
/r/PurplePillDebate11/07/26 05:36 PM
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Not talking about the women in the show, it's the discussion from the watchers that is so terrible
/r/PurplePillDebate11/07/26 05:34 PM
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I know I'm biased, but that's why I fixate on logical consistency unlike the average woman in this sub
/r/PurplePillDebate11/07/26 12:14 PM
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Disagree, I'm well aware of my bias tendencies..... I should not be expected to wife up a ho though
/r/PurplePillDebate11/07/26 12:06 PM
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What? When did I say men aren't biased or when don't we recognize it? They are less likely to commit to women who sleep around...... very biased Just because they don't end up committing to the women you are arguing for does not negate their relationships
/r/PurplePillDebate11/07/26 11:57 AM
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More or less.... Definitely wasn't my intention, but seeing how absolutely 100% crazy sauce, bias these women were helped me understand that so many women are insanely bias
/r/PurplePillDebate11/07/26 11:49 AM
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Are you assuming that women in general are smarter than this? Because that is not what i have seen personally lol
/r/PurplePillDebate11/07/26 11:44 AM
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My claim is women "sleep" up while eventually settling for their match ..... the stats 100% agree with me, what are you basing g your disagreement on?
/r/PurplePillDebate11/07/26 11:34 AM
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Yeah they Eventually end up with their match (but go for higher hypergamy)I said as much. Are you suggesting women don't try to secure commitment from more attractive men than themselves or just mad at what I said?
/r/PurplePillDebate11/07/26 11:31 AM
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Lmao no, we are pointing out how the more attractive men are seen as good while they vilify their match...... got into love island recently, God damn are women hypocritical... I'm just telling myself that women in general aren't like this hahahaha
/r/PurplePillDebate11/07/26 11:26 AM
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Statistics show that men sleep around at a higher percentage the more attractive they are, but it's actually the opposite for women where the more attractive they are the less they sleep around....that's hypergamy, you are denying reality Why are you pretending that RP is not based in reality? (100% agree people exaggerate though)
/r/PurplePillDebate11/07/26 11:18 AM
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Depends what you mean, RP definitely just exaggerates things but it tends to be based in reality. https://www.aarp.org/family-relationships/better-looking-people-are-not-having-more-sex/ "Number of Partners: For women, the number of sexual partners decreases as physical attractiveness increases, whereas for men, the number of sexual partners increases with increasing physical attractiveness. Body Type and Sex: The number of sexual partners reported by women is tied to weight, with thinner women …
/r/PurplePillDebate11/07/26 11:05 AM
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YOUR problem is that you are trying to look at it from a certain lense.....RP is supposed to be how things actually play out. Your understanding of sociology seems laughably low
/r/PurplePillDebate11/07/26 10:21 AM
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Yeah a lot of the RP is just exaggerated truths said in an unpleasant way
/r/PurplePillDebate10/07/26 09:34 PM
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Definitely having the most sex, but not nearly as bad as the 80/20 of the RP belief and I wouldn't assume they are sleeping with ugly women in general (i'd never have a shot if they were). More like sexual hypergamy
/r/PurplePillDebate10/07/26 08:28 PM
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Redditors dislike consistency in logic, they prefer to pick and choose based on what serves them best
/r/PurplePillDebate10/07/26 05:21 PM
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😂 Combination of Google and hearing the same baseless arguments A LOT.
/r/PurplePillDebate10/07/26 05:03 PM
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I never said it was men in general Well that group of men in general then, same logic is still applying, going to need a little more than "look at this 1 guy said" like you like to do. again, any evidence that you yourself would accept if I went against an assumption of yours (reasonable right?), otherwise we are just disagreeing here and no reason to drag this part out. Typically after the first time. Based on what? You really think most women who are ok with sleeping with a guy outside of a re…
/r/PurplePillDebate10/07/26 04:51 PM
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Not sure honestly, hard to say. Women do eventually quit doing this (generally) and "settle" so I guess it's a question of how many stop because they figure it out vs how many get tired of it
/r/PurplePillDebate10/07/26 04:34 PM
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You can’t trust guys saying contradicting shit More like "you can't point to one person saying something and pretend it's men in general". Just asking for any type of evidence that you yourself would accept if it went against something you assumed to be true.... that's fair right? And then they stopped because they realize how stupid and unrewarding that is. Eventually, not sure how much just stopped after once like you claim though.... but saying they Eventually stop is something even the RP sa…
/r/PurplePillDebate10/07/26 04:30 PM
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Unless she has sex with him immediately I disagree with this being a common deal-breaker for most desperate men.... if you have evidence to the contrary besides some dude saying so go ahead and post otherwise yeah definitely disagree here (not a deal-breaker for me and I'm not as desperate as a lot of the men) You said it’s because they’re able to get sex from better looking guys without commitment. Again, most women are not doing that They aren't going out looking for casual sex, they are tryin…
/r/PurplePillDebate10/07/26 03:54 PM
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Yes it does, you are saying that the "i'll take anyone" men are the ones that aren't actually willing to date these women, but it's actually the women that aren't willing to because they are busy trying to get commitment from better looking guys than the "I'll take anyone" men.... what part of this is confusing? Those guys wouldn’t have to do that if their looks match was that available for casual sex. The looksmatch are available for casual sex, just with more attractive men. Pretty much any gu…
/r/PurplePillDebate10/07/26 03:38 PM
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Just not true, ugly women actually sleep around more than attractive women.... the issue is they are looking for commitment from men that are better looking than them because they assume that they are the same level just because they can sleep with the guy. https://www.aarp.org/family-relationships/better-looking-people-are-not-having-more-sex/ "Number of Partners: For women, the number of sexual partners decreases as physical attractiveness increases, whereas for men, the number of sexual partn…
/r/PurplePillDebate10/07/26 01:51 PM
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It is, you just don't like the logic I'm using. If the man is choosing to stick around with 1 but not the other, obviously he likes the one he chooses to be with more
/r/PurplePillDebate08/07/26 09:11 PM
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Having feelings would make them stick around, they don't stick around because they don't have feelings for her, not sure why this isn't just obvious to you
/r/PurplePillDebate08/07/26 08:29 PM
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There is a reason that many women are ghosted after putting out, just having sex with a man isn't going to make them like/respect you
/r/PurplePillDebate08/07/26 08:23 PM
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"I haven't seen it so it doesn't exist" I'm sure you have it just didn't really register enough for you to bother remembering, although if you don't want to listen to all the women online saying how much they care you can always ask those around you. The data is from dating sites. Lmfao No it's data that has be studied many times through the years in many countries https://pmc.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/articles/PMC9454610/ "Mate preferences for physical height in humans are observed in both sexes and acr…
/r/PurplePillDebate08/07/26 03:12 PM
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Definitely not just basing this off of online dating, just using it as an example because it exists basically for women. Women are pretty open about this preference and we have tons of data showing how much women care about height..... sure many RP guys overstate it to an insane degree, but pretending that men and women are comparable in this preference is just as insane.
/r/PurplePillDebate08/07/26 01:32 PM
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I am tired of these discussions pretending like men don't EQUALLY like the opposite. Because we honestly don't. Height matters way more to women than men just like money...... not saying it doesn't matter at all but generally the genders place more importance on different things (the men who care a lot tends to be for insecurity reasons) Like yes I have a slight preference for short girls, but it really doesn't matter much and not something I think about when online dating, the height filter on …
/r/PurplePillDebate08/07/26 12:27 PM
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I don't need to be the best and never think about that (especially with the high body count ex's), although now that I am thinking about this I am going back on forth on how much I should care if things were getting serious......... I mean if the feelings are there that should turn it into one of the best right?
/r/PurplePillDebate08/07/26 12:14 PM
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Well then your premise is highly flawed..... where are these things if it's even a slightly common issue with men? If you are just upset that a small minority of men (and women) are horrible people I don't know what to tell you except there will always be outliers and question why you want to pretend there is some issue with men (since you are using a lot of generalizing language)
/r/PurplePillDebate07/07/26 09:47 PM
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From this comment "Victim blaming. Men defending going after young girls. Podcasts for men advocating for it. You can find it all over the Internet " Where the hell are these things unless you are including just liking young adult women?
/r/PurplePillDebate07/07/26 09:40 PM
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Why do women such as yourself keep trying to combine men sleeping with young adult women and people sleeping with kids? It's pretty disturbing that you either don't see a MASSIVE difference or just pretend it's the same for some BS reason
/r/PurplePillDebate07/07/26 09:38 PM
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People complain for a multitude of reasons that can be beneficial..... but of course those aren't generally as good as trying to just fix the problem. I highly doubt even yourself actually adopt this philosophy to the point of never complaining about something when you could be trying to do something about it Why did this opinion even have to be gendered? Feels pretty unnecessary. Men far from have a monopoly on complaining about the other genders standards.
/r/PurplePillDebate06/07/26 03:25 PM
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Ummmm no you didn't. YOU HAVE BEFORE but here.... Congratulations on finding the "before" I mentioned lmao
/r/PurplePillDebate29/06/26 08:57 PM
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I often tell my friends its like micro dosing rage. It feels all adrenaline-y once that slight rage bait feeling is over and also helps stimulate my brain where I feel like I am actually using it I like this description, usually I just say I like arguing, this is better.
/r/PurplePillDebate29/06/26 04:55 PM
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Honestly arguing does tend to make time go by fast for some reason lol
/r/PurplePillDebate29/06/26 04:14 PM
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Generally anyone using an "all" statement is either exaggerating or dumb
/r/PurplePillDebate29/06/26 03:28 PM
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When did I ignore this? This is still an example of you strawmanning. I said the thing that usually gets the woman is not niceness/goodness even when the man is average looking.... are you pretending this means I said "it doesn't matter how bad their personality is" I honestly don't know if you are trolling me or just really stubborn with your strawmen because you know you are full of BS otherwise lol
/r/PurplePillDebate29/06/26 02:29 PM
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Are we talking about men or red pillers here miss queen of strawmen? And? Get more money or lower your standards. Well yeah, or better looking/game. Same can be said for women complaining about lack of commitment, they need to either lower their standards or level up right? Most of you will never be Chad. Give up on that fantasy. Again miss strawman, why are you trying to pretend it's an all or nothing thing? You are doing the exact same thing as the RP guys you seem to hate so much. Are you den…
/r/PurplePillDebate29/06/26 12:47 PM
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but they still have to have other traits. Thats “I got through the door” attractive. But to suggest that trait is usually niceness/goodness is straight up delusional Most guys have baseline status/money to be seen as a loser. And many have less than that, the women that see baseline as "loser" will be the same ones chasing men out of their league and being used for sex Most guys are not special enough to have their personality go ignored. Most guys don't have a personality bad enough that they n…
/r/PurplePillDebate29/06/26 12:27 PM
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Who Is just talking about chads here? I didn't suggest that ONLY the most attractive guys get women, it's more of a linear thing. You just like to ignore how much a man's appearance (and status/money) affects things because you just want to say that the men struggling are just assholes. Sure, some of course are..... but most fail due to other reasons.
/r/PurplePillDebate28/06/26 11:51 PM
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This isn't a good parallel to the other one since it seems more of a goomba fallacy..... we don't hear much of the men leading with their wallet crying about being seen for their money nearly to the same degree of women leading with their looks doing this
/r/PurplePillDebate28/06/26 09:18 PM
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Nice just world fallacy, the more attractive a man is the more women ge gets, this isn't me just spouting bs I believe as fact like you like to do, this is statistical fact. If you just want to pretend men suck and that's the issue just say that instead of creating a disingenuous scenario about them ignoring good women
/r/PurplePillDebate28/06/26 08:38 PM
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The difference is that men either don't have these "good women" as options.... or they aren't crying about their lack of good options like women do. You keep saying something thinking the more you say it the truer it will be, but it's just utter BS
/r/PurplePillDebate28/06/26 07:32 PM
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It doesn't.... beginning scenes with sexual flirting through text is simply not a porn thing (not saying it's never been done, but definitely can't think of any). Men don't want easy women, they want sex, big difference I'm genuinely asking..... are you basing your opinion on the fact that it's sexual or are you actually watching porn where this shit is said?
/r/PurplePillDebate26/06/26 01:16 PM
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Are you just categorizing all sexual flirting as "porn flirting"? Because "what are you wearing" "you should come over" "netflix and chill" are all things that got popular outside of porn. Pornos tend to not have some flirty scene in the beginning where they are texting or over the phone.... now very suggestive innuendo's could be considered porn flirting
/r/PurplePillDebate26/06/26 01:09 PM
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Movies where people date and hook-up? Lol like "what are you wearing" was literally on a state farm commercial (granted it wasn't in a flirty way, but obviously it was referencing that common question). What pornos start off with people texting "what are you wearing"? You may be confusing sexual flirting in general as porn flirting
/r/PurplePillDebate26/06/26 01:01 PM
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That is stuff you would see in movies not porno..... is there a reason this makes you think "porno"? Can't say I have ever heard this kind of flirting in porn
/r/PurplePillDebate26/06/26 12:48 PM
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Ummm I suppose I qualify (shit ain't easy, that's for sure lol) Who the fuck is trying to flirt like in pornos? I understand imitating the sex, but are your guy friends going around asking women if they ordered the pizza with extra sausage? Lmao I don't read romance novels, but from the little I heard about them they are worse than romance movies and those are bad enough already. This shit doesn't work unless she is already into you, if she isn't, you just seem like a major creep.
/r/PurplePillDebate26/06/26 12:41 PM
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I'm not saying specifically to me, it's not like they are specifically telling me things like "the bar is on the floor", I just want things like that narrative to become a lot less popular. Unless women are willing to be "housewives" or willing to let their men cheat openly, men are very skeptical to commitment Pretty small minority of men are looking for women to cheat openly or being housewives (sure many may have this dream, but the majority of men do not want a housewife because they can't a…
/r/PurplePillDebate25/06/26 08:47 PM
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Oh I agree. I just dislike when people try and pretend this isn't what is happening. So many women want to pretend men are just against commitment and say shit like "the bar is on the floor" instead of admitting it's not "men" it's the ones they are going for. I mean sure hopefully letting someone know how rare a guy over 6ft is may make them alter their standards a bit, but at the end of the day what is most important is just being honest about what is going on in general so people can choose f…
/r/PurplePillDebate25/06/26 08:19 PM
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Oh most definitely. Men: can't get laid? Level up! Women: can't get that commitment? If you don't want to settle, level up!
/r/PurplePillDebate25/06/26 07:57 PM
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Hey I was just correcting you, get over it Already upping my worth since I don't want to settle for most of the women I have slept with (my standards tend to be pretty damn low for casual)
/r/PurplePillDebate25/06/26 07:43 PM
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I'm already older than 35, so no :p
/r/PurplePillDebate25/06/26 07:35 PM
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How do we know what someone cares about? This is a good question with many subjective answers (on a more personal level we can definitely see how people react when men/women issues are brought up) but I wouldn't say that men and women thinking differently about things like prison reform showing this as it's more likely due to a difference in logic than caring.
/r/PurplePillDebate25/06/26 06:57 PM
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Correction, men that can get above average women doesn't want to commit to average women. Average men are fine with committing to average women but that's kind of hard to do when they are busy sleeping with more attractive men and chasing commitment from them https://www.aarp.org/family-relationships/better-looking-people-are-not-having-more-sex/ "Sex: When and How Many: Very physically attractive women are more likely to form exclusive relationships than purely sexual ones, and are less likely …
/r/PurplePillDebate25/06/26 06:39 PM
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When the fuck did I say that? I just said women don't care more about men's issues than men...... maybe by your logic that would make women evil and cold, but that sounds like some weird logic to me (never went against any facts, just saying they don't show what the person was suggesting they show)
/r/PurplePillDebate25/06/26 06:34 PM
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None of this sounds like a refusal to support men or anything like that.... women are more likely to be for social programs. like with prison reform men tend to focus on punishment and women more on reformation. I may agree more with the reformation thing, but I think you trying to pretend this means women care more about men's issues is disingenuous at best
/r/PurplePillDebate25/06/26 06:21 PM
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Are these male specific issues? Otherwise what's your point?
/r/PurplePillDebate25/06/26 05:54 PM
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I would say it depends on the trauma, but generally yeah if men love masculinity so much, why are they really chill when men are super feminine? Uhhh I'm not sure I get what you mean. Why shouldn't you be chill just because someone doesn't live up to something you like?
/r/PurplePillDebate25/06/26 02:13 PM
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Masculine just means things that are traditionally associated with men..... so by definition if most men were doing this then it's masculine, if most women were doing this (or more than men) that would make it feminine, but then why focus on the fact that a minority of men also do this? (Can't expect ALL men to behave a certain way)
/r/PurplePillDebate25/06/26 02:01 PM
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Eh sounded different when you said "men don't care about men not caring", but if it's about your premise of men not actually suffering and doing some cosplay then I'm not really going to get into some long argument against that because me and you will 100% not agree and I can't think of any proof I could show to back up my hypothesis of it being the other way around..... so many women make their trauma their personality and this has definitely gotten a lot of women overplaying their issues and o…
/r/PurplePillDebate25/06/26 01:30 PM
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He didn't specify gender, are you suggesting women care more about the suffering of men or just purposely focusing on men not caring for some misandrist reason?
/r/PurplePillDebate25/06/26 01:14 PM
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Well "blame" is a strong word, but I would argue that pointing out that men will be more likely to "sleep down" than "date down" is important in this kind of conversation. Not saying this is the case for you since I don't know you and dating apps are a bit different than IRL dating, but is quite often the case imo (I have been that guy. But I definitely try and put in a little more effort than most of those messages lol)
/r/PurplePillDebate23/06/26 06:27 PM
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They usually don't PREFER bad boys, it's just not a deterrent. Just work on yourself and try to become in better shape with a good job..... will help (emphasis on only HELPING, not a guarantee) with getting women and just improve your life even if it doesn't. YOU CAN'T RELY ON A JUST WORLD FALLACY.
/r/PurplePillDebate21/06/26 06:32 PM
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Again, this one isn't about women not fucking OP lol
/r/PurplePillDebate20/06/26 01:20 AM
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Well that is a different thing than you claimed.many women will make posts about guys standards, hell we have Lilith constantly making posts and trying to pretend guys are only going after shitty women..... are you going to pretend that it's somehow different when women do it or going to ignore their existence?
/r/PurplePillDebate19/06/26 11:58 PM
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Is this a "women won't fuck me" post?
/r/PurplePillDebate19/06/26 07:51 PM
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How is it any less off topic than your comment? OP talked about women's views on bi men and you turned that into women's standards in general...... so how exactly is me adding women (for contrast) off topic, but you aren't? Doesn't make any sense It’s not based on gender 🙄 See what I mean about you trying to start something when there is nothing there. What I see is me asking you why something like this would interest you more than when women do it and you just avoiding the question.... I mean I…
/r/PurplePillDebate19/06/26 06:27 PM
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If what issues "interest" you enough to argue about is based off a person's gender then you are the one that sounds like they have an agenda
/r/PurplePillDebate19/06/26 06:12 PM
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Who says I don't? It’s unrealistic to expect everyone to respond to every topic under the Sun. Who said every topic? We are talking about the same topic here just changing the gender. Is there a reason you are more interested in a guy pointing out a standard women have about bi men than one about men's standards for things like weight/age/body-count?
/r/PurplePillDebate19/06/26 05:29 PM
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But I don't disagree with the argument that you can't force attraction so why would I? Like how you made an assumption instead of engaging with her initial comment. The difference is that yes I had an assumption in my mind since yes that is a pretty human thing to do, but instead of just pretending my assumption is correct to argue something I just flat out asked her.... unlike you, understand the difference? because it’s not their fucking business lmao. I mean, they literally get nothing out of…
/r/PurplePillDebate19/06/26 04:34 PM
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But do you go out of your way to tell women this when they are talking against what men like is the question
/r/PurplePillDebate19/06/26 04:21 PM
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How is me asking if you act the same regardless of if it's a man or woman doing it "derailing the conversation"?
/r/PurplePillDebate19/06/26 04:20 PM
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and anyways who’s even to say she doesn’t tell other women the same thing? like i love reddit because we all lowk just be saying bullshit assumptions based on whatever narrative we’re trying to push Lmao you started that, I told her I hope she keeps the same energy and then you came in with the BS assumption because she has no incentive......women don’t really need any convincing because hardly any men irl care that you’ve had casual sex in the past While I disagree that was just 1 of the exampl…
/r/PurplePillDebate19/06/26 03:59 PM
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For the same reason why she did it here? Why do you think it shouldn't be the same? This is why I said "keep the same energy" instead of just thinking the same thing. so your fantasy of her being triggered by body count discourse is probably just a fantasy. Now this is just a fantasy of yours. I was just using another common example that I forgot when I mentioned weight and age.
/r/PurplePillDebate19/06/26 03:45 PM
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I highly doubt that when she sees posts/comments by women talking about how guys shouldn't care about something like body count she goes out of her way to tell them how they shouldn't care and to just let men be attracted to what they want...... but hey I would love to be wrong
/r/PurplePillDebate19/06/26 03:26 PM
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Hopefully you keep this same energy when women are telling men what they should and should not be attracted to because this seems to happen far more often (2 biggest complaints currently would be weight and age)
/r/PurplePillDebate19/06/26 02:51 PM
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Personally? I'm a chubby chaser with low as hell standards so yeah I suppose so. Plus there are plenty of average and ugly men, not understanding why you think men shouldn't care
/r/PurplePillDebate18/06/26 03:51 PM
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Is Lilith actually going to try and make the men here believe that there aren't plenty Of below average and fat/ugly girls doing the same? Ignore your eyes men! You must conform to the narrative that anything unflattering that women do has to be a minority being propped up by men..... alway remember, MEN BAD!!!!
/r/PurplePillDebate18/06/26 03:47 PM
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"Men shouldn't do this because it will end bad for them" gives examples of it seemingly helping them get laid and into relationships Ummmmm I feel like the title and the examples don't really match
/r/PurplePillDebate18/06/26 02:32 PM
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Well it would be a nice change of pace over all the bi women choosing men. Good luck with your choice
/r/PurplePillDebate18/06/26 08:58 AM
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Oh so you 2 did sleep together he just usually said no or only did it the 1 time? I can agree with not dating someone you aren't attracted to (although also done that a few times), but I don't see a reason to not sleep with the woman (responsibly)
/r/PurplePillDebate17/06/26 10:37 AM
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Ok and? Not only does dating someone due to liking your personality sound different than dating someone due to no better options but your anecdotal experience is different than my anecdotal experience so what Is the argument here? Yeah without sex I wouldn't be happy in that relationship either
/r/PurplePillDebate17/06/26 10:28 AM
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Lol spoken like a woman.... I have indeed slept with multiple women that I was not attracted to. Granted this is no long term solution, but sometimes a drought needs to be over.
/r/PurplePillDebate17/06/26 10:13 AM
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"Want to" and "willing to" are 2 separate things
/r/PurplePillDebate17/06/26 08:28 AM
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Guilty of actually knowing what words mean? Yeah you got me
/r/PurplePillDebate15/06/26 08:03 PM
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Yes plenty of men call out people like Andrew tate, I like watching the youtubers aba and preach for example who call out crazy feminists and RP bros. Are there also men who only do it towards feminists? Sure, but unless you are suggesting there's aren't also women doing the same thing..... what's your point?
/r/PurplePillDebate13/06/26 03:56 PM
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I did answer, that's what THOSE men believe, this isn't a RP pillar belief or anything. Goomba fallacy
/r/PurplePillDebate13/06/26 02:23 PM
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I'm literally not seeing it, are you sure you did? And can you link where they are suggesting rape includes asking multiple times? The intimidation COULD, that doesn't mean that asking multiple times is coercion "Think the definition ur referring to may not be talking about coercion within the context of sex." It's the definition of the word coercion in general lol, it's literally what the word means
/r/PurplePillDebate13/06/26 02:21 PM
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But are these the same men that have a problem when blue haired feminists say it? That's the goomba part here
/r/PurplePillDebate13/06/26 02:17 PM
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You are probably missing some nuance or looking at a goomba fallacy (judging by past interactions). Although sure, some people are just biased hypocrites but nothing special about men/RP they are in every group
/r/PurplePillDebate13/06/26 02:15 PM
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Probably because they disagree with something the blue haired feminist is saying..... what's complicated about this?
/r/PurplePillDebate13/06/26 02:10 PM
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Because you are trying to moralize being ok with having sex with a partner who isn't enthusiastic to have sex as similar to rape...... prostitution is a scenario where the person getting paid is usually not enthusiastically having sex but I don't view the person paying as even in the same ballpark as a rapist the fact is coercion is rape and what I’ve been mentioning is coercion You keep saying that but refuse to tell me where you are getting this definition that would include stupid things like…
/r/PurplePillDebate13/06/26 02:09 PM
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Doesn't sound accidental, RP is supposed to be about accepting unpleasant reality which includes anti male stuff. Accepting that men and women are going to be better or worse in different areas shouldn't even be a RP or BP thing
/r/PurplePillDebate13/06/26 02:02 PM
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Yes, doesn't mean I'm going to claim rape against guys that don't get that (like prostitution for example). Just proving more that it's just something you dislike and not that it's rape
/r/PurplePillDebate13/06/26 01:48 PM
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Again where are you getting this definition from? I'm literally looking up the definition here lmao The vast majority just say using threat or force, closest I got to something else was saying to "compel" which does not mean asking more than once. You are the one that doesn't know the definition here, if you thought me not knowing would be concerning I hope you feel the same once you realize how you had this false belief for who knows how many years
/r/PurplePillDebate13/06/26 01:46 PM
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Where are you getting that information from? I just looked up the definition it it does indeed seem to be about stuff like threats and force..... not asking more than once What you are describing isn't rape, just something you dislike.
/r/PurplePillDebate13/06/26 01:32 PM
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Cool so I point out how your "evidence" is bs and you just respond with "so? I still believe I'm right"
/r/PurplePillDebate13/06/26 11:52 AM
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Men being more likely to commit sexual crimes doe not equate to men being the main ones with a faulty sense of rape or a gender superiority complex. Even in this sub so far the only culprit we see of this is a woman with a gender superiority complex against men. Your whole premise is faulty and sexist Edit: even in this post (not sub)
/r/PurplePillDebate13/06/26 11:43 AM
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The argument is you are pretending these are male exclusive things that are done against women but they clearly are not.
/r/PurplePillDebate13/06/26 11:37 AM
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In the UK women legally can't rape a man still and I believe many states use to be this way.... you also just heard a woman say that women are better and you didn't bat an eye Having a faulty sense of rape is 100% not exclusive to when women are the victim and women are guilty of this as well. Thinking less of another gender is also not exclusive to men. You just only care when things are against women and it's blinding you
/r/PurplePillDebate13/06/26 11:22 AM
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"Men don't know what rape is only the alley scenario" only other example given is coercion which usually is through threat or force "You want sex have gay sex, because apparently sexuality doesn't matter" Yeah lemon gecko I don't know what you were trying to do with this post lol. You also complain about your perception of men thinking they are better but so far only one comment straight up thinks their gender is better and you just say "you mostly agree with me".... apparently you don't think w…
/r/PurplePillDebate13/06/26 11:09 AM
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You are saying she is including things where she goes out of her way to show she isn't..... she asked people to rate attractiveness, and yes she also measured BMI and talks about the connection between the 2 but THIS DOES NOT MEAN SHE PERSONALLY RATED PEOPLE BASED OFF THESE THINGS. You can't be doing this while simultaneously suggesting I'm the one who doesn't understand And OMG 2 people on reddit disagree with me I must be wrong /s
/r/PurplePillDebate12/06/26 08:11 PM
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I feel like you don't always need this level of "proof" to believe everything and are placing a higher burden on this particular issue for some reason
/r/PurplePillDebate12/06/26 07:28 PM
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No it doesn't... again there were multiple points she was observing "Physical Attractiveness. The interviewer rated the respondents’ physical attractiveness ona five-point scale from “Very Unattractive” (1) to “Very Attractive” (5). Though it would be better to have the average of several observers’ ratings, prior studies report consistent evaluations of attractiveness between raters" She lays it all out, im not sure why you are so desperate to pretend otherwise I think you are talking about tab…
/r/PurplePillDebate12/06/26 07:26 PM
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Already replied, you misunderstood.... it does indeed show what I suggested "Table 2 also shows that for women, the number of sexual partners decreases monotonically with increasing physical attractiveness, whereas for men the number of sexualpartners increases monotonically with increasing physical attractiveness. For women, thenumber of reported partners also decreases with BMI: Thinner women report fewer partners. Thinness is a dimension of attractiveness for women, so this pattern is consist…
/r/PurplePillDebate12/06/26 07:17 PM
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Usually they just go silent lol...... the issue was never about evidence, just didn't like what it said
/r/PurplePillDebate12/06/26 07:16 PM
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I think you misunderstood something, she does measure those things but that doesn't mean she didn't also just compare physical attractiveness and the amount of sex ..... you can measure multiple things in one study "Table 2 also shows that for women, the number of sexual partners decreases monotonically with increasing physical attractiveness, whereas for men the number of sexual partners increases monotonically with increasing physical attractiveness. For women, thenumber of reported partners a…
/r/PurplePillDebate12/06/26 07:14 PM
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What do you mean "claims I don't know"? There are multiple articles that reference it, are you Arguing against it for a particular reason or just Don't like it?
/r/PurplePillDebate12/06/26 05:58 PM
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Ok this is far as I'm googling lol, if you don't want to believe it I'm sure that's by choice https://pubmed.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/22329089/ https://www.tandfonline.com/doi/full/10.1080/19485565.2011.615172
/r/PurplePillDebate12/06/26 05:53 PM
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https://www.aarp.org/family-relationships/better-looking-people-are-not-having-more-sex/ It shouldn't be surprising, yes men will "date down" to get laid
/r/PurplePillDebate12/06/26 05:45 PM
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Actually stats show ugly girls get laid more than attractive ones (general thought is less likely to get commitment and more likely to put out early due to wanting to be liked) so that seems like the opposite way to go if cheating is a concern........ and as a chubby chaser who also has low standards in general I can definitely confirm that yeah the ugly ones aren't immune to cheating Edit: https://sci-hub.st/10.1080/19485565.2011.615172 Thanks pointlesslylongname0
/r/PurplePillDebate12/06/26 05:30 PM
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Haven't been dating since a car accident about 2 years ago.... mostly healed now, but I started to get in better shape and I'm kind of just waiting until I look better until I try again (lost 70lbs while adding muscle). Before I was on the dating sites and asking out IRL, wasn't the most successful and would occasionally sleep with women I wasn't even attracted to due to a dry spell lasting too long (would alternate between hating being in a relationship and being single..... grass is always gre…
/r/PurplePillDebate11/06/26 06:21 PM
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How is calling complaining "not masculine" and trying to shame the men that do it as "bitches" like OP was doing not holding men to higher standards than women? Are you for real right now?
/r/PurplePillDebate10/06/26 09:32 PM
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I know that it's a part of it, but I'm saying women tend to just call out masculine traits they dislike..... if this was more of what we hear people wouldn't have a problem with the term
/r/PurplePillDebate10/06/26 09:29 PM
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I just mentioned men falling behind in school (and work problems).... what are you asking for if this doesn't count? And yes, I'm honestly wondering how a man running for political office isn't a representation of men? I specifically said men's issues/concerns..... electing politicians should be about them representing your issues not whether or not they have penises ffs
/r/PurplePillDebate10/06/26 08:29 PM
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Well OP mentions men doing worse in school/work and the lefts habit of demonizing men just for starters How are men running for political office, not a representation of men??? Same way I'm sure feminists don't see a woman who is anti abortion as representative of their concerns/issues...... is this a real question?
/r/PurplePillDebate10/06/26 08:10 PM
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One of the main reasons people vote for politicians is to be a representative for their issues, if you are in some niche group yes it's pretty egotistical to think they will specifically be for you.....If you aren't in a small group this is just asking for basic representation
/r/PurplePillDebate10/06/26 07:52 PM
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I wouldn't consider merely complaining as toxic femininity. If Karen's only complained instead of acting like entitled brats trying to get workers fired or cops called on people for doing something that doesn't harm her (and often racist for some reason) they wouldn't be hated.....just complaining? That's just human
/r/PurplePillDebate10/06/26 04:59 PM
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Didn't say they stopped caring, my original comment is saying how it's not healthy to hold men to much higher standards than women, the whole "toxic masculinity" thing.
/r/PurplePillDebate10/06/26 04:39 PM
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Not saying it's an excuse, just of course there are going to be people that don't. Luckily for those men there are more women that haven't so at least they have company lol
/r/PurplePillDebate10/06/26 04:35 PM
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Well if they are OK with their friends behaving this way why would it be a problem for a man? Hell if they want the traditional bottle up emotions guy that's fine, just be cool with all the other stuff that comes with it (usually being an angry person)
/r/PurplePillDebate10/06/26 04:33 PM
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Well duh, men are humans..... a lot of humans in general are emotional toddlers (although I would argue the percentage is higher with women)
/r/PurplePillDebate10/06/26 04:24 PM
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See this is what toxic masculinity should be about, thinking men must suffer in silence if they don't want to be seen like a bitch not masculinity traits that women dislike.
/r/PurplePillDebate10/06/26 04:21 PM
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Bruh I'm not going to pretend I 100% know, but yeah the bodily fluids of 1000 men is definitely a big part of it lol. (May make men assume they would be a shitty partner or just grossed out by the vast difference in their moral view on casual sex... hard to say) Do you simply not care or does the idea of a girl being a huge slut turn you on? Curious if this is your kink or something
/r/PurplePillDebate07/06/26 01:17 PM
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Depends what you mean by lustful. Generally men do not find women that enjoy sex as ugly but the further down that lustful/ho line you go the more men will start seeing them as a bad idea for a partner and it does also reach a level where it's just seen as gross..... like I believe most men are kind of grossed out about the Bonnie Blue stuff for instance Different levels for different men though
/r/PurplePillDebate07/06/26 12:28 PM
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Same reason women shame things like height and people in general shame ugly, people tend to shame things that make them see someone as a bad potential dating partner (regardless if they have any interest in dating)
/r/PurplePillDebate07/06/26 12:04 PM
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I'm just speaking In general, I'm not an absolutist here. Not saying 4's are dickmatized by 10's..... just that on average it is indeed a thing that men are sleeping with (and probably often dating at least short term ) women less attractive than themselves. Although it shouldn't be too crazy to suggest that a woman being able to date/sleep with attractive men is more likely to make her think that's her "league" they are not just having sex with a guy thinking about locking him down. Of course n…
/r/PurplePillDebate07/06/26 01:37 AM
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What part of what I said is this supposed to argue against? Do you think me saying they were WILLING to sleep with women less attractive than them meant they didn't try for the attractive women or something?
/r/PurplePillDebate06/06/26 11:47 PM
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Stats don't seem to suggest this, where are you getting this information? The stats just say that men wanted sex and were willing to sleep with less attractive women to get it (but not willing to commit to them)
/r/PurplePillDebate06/06/26 11:40 PM
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I'm saying women in general, not all
/r/PurplePillDebate06/06/26 11:36 PM
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I agree no one should be saying "all" anything, but generally speaking yes women are sleeping around with more attractive men but are unable to get the commitment..... not just who RP wants, women in general
/r/PurplePillDebate06/06/26 11:34 PM
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What are you basing this belief on? Statistically the more attractive a man is the more he sleeps around yet it's the opposite for women where the less attractive women sleep around more on average. https://www.aarp.org/family-relationships/better-looking-people-are-not-having-more-sex/ Genuinely the belief is (another example of sometimes RP beliefs just being things that were known before RP) that more attractive women are actually able to get the guys they want to settle down whereas the attr…
/r/PurplePillDebate06/06/26 11:29 PM
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Well yeah, like you mentioned these "fuckboy" types tend to get more "experiences" with women so they are perceived as being more common than they are. So many women online complaining about how men will use them for sex while most men their age have trouble getting laid in general so are definitely not going around doing this "pump and dump" nonsense
/r/PurplePillDebate05/06/26 08:47 AM
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Oh without a doubt it's a strawman, kind of her specialty here lol As someone who has also lost a considerable amount of weight recently (not nearly as much though) I agree, the switch-up is crazy, people seem to want to talk to me more (which honestly I try and avoid)
/r/PurplePillDebate04/06/26 09:32 PM
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To me this kind of thing just makes so much sense for men.... if you could just snap your fingers and become instantly taller, hotter, higher status and richer wouldn't you?
/r/PurplePillDebate04/06/26 04:33 PM
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But in this context he used it to express that he does indeed think it translates to reality.
/r/PurplePillDebate29/05/26 02:47 AM
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I didn't say an issue finding it, saying you are the odd one in this scenario if it isn't enough.... unless you just mean "ideal" as in it could be better, ummm duh what do you think average is?
/r/PurplePillDebate29/05/26 01:25 AM
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I think that you are placing too much importance on how much a dude's dick determines his personality
/r/PurplePillDebate29/05/26 12:55 AM
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Again, if you see the average dick size as too small then it might be a YOU issue. (To be fair I thought it was closer to 6 myself). Yes it's not "ideal", if you mean it could be better (same can basically be said about the average anything) , but if it simply isn't enough to satisfy you, that isn't normal.
/r/PurplePillDebate29/05/26 12:53 AM
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Most of you have small dicks. Wait most men in general? (Might be a you issue) Or most men on this sub? (How dafuq would you possibly know) This just seems like an impossibly true thing to say and shows that you aren't trying to be blunt, you just trying to talk shit.
/r/PurplePillDebate28/05/26 11:51 PM
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Lilith I swear to God yo need to chill and.get off reddit, you worry me
/r/PurplePillDebate24/05/26 08:21 AM
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Dating app for fat people (overweight at the time and I'm a chubby chaser that unsurprisingly has a lot better success rate with the big gals), within 5 minutes of meeting in person I was inside her, she was down for some fun
/r/PurplePillDebate23/05/26 08:39 AM
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You say this like a majority of men are out there lamenting their wife isn't as attractive anymore.... I'm sorry if pointing out something that actually happens ruins your "men bad" narrative.
/r/PurplePillDebate18/05/26 06:54 PM
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Yes people tend to be illogical, the man may lament the wife doesn't look as good, the wife may lament the husband is "broke" or works too much (due to needing to support a family). Being judgemental and "immature" is far from a male specific trait in this regard
/r/PurplePillDebate18/05/26 03:46 PM
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Most women would disagree. But hey if they actually want to do this they can sleep around a lot easier than men, sounds pretty good for them if not perfect I mean hell, the more attractive a woman is statistically the less sexual partners she has, completely the opposite of men.
/r/PurplePillDebate17/05/26 09:36 PM
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Yes it is, but that doesn't mean we have to be ok with things like non monogamy or people that chose to sleep around a lot instead of forming long term relationships. Lots of stuff involved in relationships and sexuality and to suggest that people should be ok with all of it or the parts that you think they should be are ridiculous. Supposedly most women don't want to go sleep around so what kind of nonsense makes you say that a man can't want a woman that isn't close to asexual or town bicycle?…
/r/PurplePillDebate17/05/26 09:25 PM
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Why would someone not be able to be ok with expressing sexuality in some ways but not others? That makes no sense, you either have to be ok with it all or not have any? That's not how humans work
/r/PurplePillDebate17/05/26 09:17 PM
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Yeah I'm sure the person justifying their beliefs based on "this guy online said" must be working on some higher level of logic and not just spouting anti man bs instead of actually interacting with the topic.... must be /s
/r/PurplePillDebate17/05/26 07:46 PM
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What does that have to do with the topic?
/r/PurplePillDebate17/05/26 07:04 PM
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So to argue about men supposedly wanting a servant in marriage (wtf does this have to do with the topic) you talk about some random dude talking about certain women only being good for a pump and dump? Really not understanding your logic here
/r/PurplePillDebate17/05/26 06:54 PM
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Not something I brought up in that conversation, what does that have to do with what the person said though? I'm sorry I didn't have someone say something dumber to me today lol, the day is still young and this is reddit. The point is that we shouldn't judge a whole gender based on some random person saying something dumb online because this is going to happen constantly and if you are trying to use it to justify some kind of belief you are just looking for an excuse
/r/PurplePillDebate17/05/26 06:22 PM
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Does anyone have that kind of safe space online? I'm sure you can find an echo chamber somewhere
/r/PurplePillDebate17/05/26 06:14 PM
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I was blaming THOSE women
/r/PurplePillDebate17/05/26 06:04 PM
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People need to leave out that word "all". "Expess sexuality" means more than sleep around. If she specifically meant sleep around then it's very disingenuous since that isn't the topic. There is a difference between appreciating a topless Ryan Reynolds, watching porn and being the town bicycle. I agree many (probably most) men don't want to get serious with the town bicycle but that isn't the same as saying that if a woman shows she is sexual at all that she shouldn't be taken seriously Edit: al…
/r/PurplePillDebate17/05/26 05:48 PM
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How the hell does this change trying to justify shaming random men because of your/their husband?
/r/PurplePillDebate17/05/26 05:37 PM
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Does this change what the person said or my point about how dumb it is to try and make believe some random comment online is representing an entire gender? Ffs what are you even trying to argue anyways? That we are supposed to be ok with what those women were doing because a man told them to?
/r/PurplePillDebate17/05/26 05:26 PM
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And I was told mere hours ago that women shaming random men for not going to die in WW1 was ok because they probably had bad husbands (which included men who couldn't go for medical reasons) https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/White_Feather_Campaign Not sure what kind of point you are trying to make but this screams of confirmation bias, who cares about what some random person said online
/r/PurplePillDebate17/05/26 05:11 PM
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Changing tables in women’s bathrooms aren’t for single moms. They are for all moms. Which I mentioned when I 1st brought it up, just forgot to clarify the 2nd time. You bring up how much more common it is for there to be single moms, but are ignoring how much that has helped there be things in place to help single moms and mothers in general..... single fathers generally don't have all this stuff since it wasn't seen as necessary. So single dad’s either aren’t doing as much work as the mom What …
/r/PurplePillDebate17/05/26 12:01 AM
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Yea I said moms usually get custody but Yes I'm aware, I just don't know why you are still asking if it's harder to care for a child than not when my opinion on the matter should be obvious by me asking about custody Also since when do single fathers not get support? It’s just less likely for a man to have custody that’s all but men who do can definitely get support. Did you miss the changing table example? There is literally infrastructure and social events/programs that prioritize helping sing…
/r/PurplePillDebate16/05/26 08:20 PM
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Agreed, "you miss 100% of the shots you don't take" and all that, the women apparently aren't gonna do it lol
/r/PurplePillDebate16/05/26 08:14 PM
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Duh, Which is why i asked about custody Practically speaking? Nah not a big difference in how hard something is, especially since at least in USA there are plenty of things specifically designed to make single mothers (and mothers in general) life easier. They barely started making it common to add a changing station in men's restrooms for example. If I had to choose between the 2 options I'm definitely picking the path with all the actual support even if some people are going to judge, no conte…
/r/PurplePillDebate16/05/26 07:55 PM
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Does this actually make it harder or are you just complaining?
/r/PurplePillDebate16/05/26 07:26 PM
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Exactly, some men exaggerate the success rate, but comparatively it's still waaaay higher for women
/r/PurplePillDebate16/05/26 06:25 PM
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What are you talking about? I wasn't blamed during my periods of wanting to be single before I got my life together and as far as I know no one is talking down on me right now for not being in the dating scene currently (will get back in eventually, just busy right now)
/r/PurplePillDebate16/05/26 04:40 PM
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Just because I have a penis doesn't make me an asshole, that is for entirely different reasons
/r/PurplePillDebate16/05/26 02:59 PM
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This reminds me of the Henry Cavill meme "if you like her just ask her out, it always works for me" I think it's important to see the difference between successful and unsuccessful men to better determine causation vs correlation
/r/PurplePillDebate16/05/26 02:16 PM
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It's true statistically by like 10% Not sure why some women want to turn that into a "men bad" thing, pretty sure more women would want to have a kid if they didn't have to be the pregnant one
/r/PurplePillDebate16/05/26 02:09 PM
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Wait why is it harder to be a single mom than dad? Do you mean if the guy doesn't get custody?
/r/PurplePillDebate16/05/26 02:05 PM
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I'm just saying in comparison to being responsible to an entire human being since OP tried to claim that the pregnancy itself didn't bother most women too much. If men were the ones to get pregnant more women would want to and less men, but OP rather just assume that the reason is because men are planning to just make women do all the work
/r/PurplePillDebate16/05/26 02:04 PM
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Logically yes, but humans aren't as logical as they should be, heard plenty of women state not wanting to "ruin their body" as one of the main ones for instance. And so very much of taking care of young kids is talking about emotions, how to name and express and regulate them, it would give a huge leg up in forming non romantic but still positive friendships that are fulfilling in some of the other ways that we see correlate with men who are able to use those same skills to date successfully. We…
/r/PurplePillDebate16/05/26 03:30 AM
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If those are my only 2 options and she is all of that? Yes without a doubt choosing the relationship. Strange more aren't choosing this Since I live in the real world, no way in hell am I choosing the relationship
/r/PurplePillDebate16/05/26 02:41 AM
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Pretty sure having to give birth is a pretty important factor in this
/r/PurplePillDebate16/05/26 02:34 AM
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Definitely an exaggeration but the general idea of better looking men sexually "sharing" women that are trying to date out of their league is indeed supported by the stats with the general belief being attractive women have a lower body count since they can actually attain that commitment. https://www.aarp.org/family-relationships/better-looking-people-are-not-having-more-sex/ "Number of Partners: For women, the number of sexual partners decreases as physical attractiveness increases, whereas fo…
/r/PurplePillDebate15/05/26 05:14 PM
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Oh Patrick will play with your instrument until he gets som mayonnaise
/r/PurplePillDebate13/05/26 08:45 PM
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Basically when they just lay there with their arms and legs spread
/r/PurplePillDebate13/05/26 08:26 PM
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Enthusiastic sex is definitely better than starfish sex. And yes we love a lot of the desire components of sex and think it's a turn-on
/r/PurplePillDebate13/05/26 05:24 PM
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Oh most definitely do respillers exaggerate but the overall idea of women sleeping around more because they are trying to "lock down chad" is supported by statistical evidence. Men have more sexual partners the better looking they are, but women are the opposite (prevailing theory is due to them being able to get what they want faster the better looking they are https://www.aarp.org/family-relationships/better-looking-people-are-not-having-more-sex/&ved=2ahUKEwiFyfWB3LWUAxXcxMkDHWfSOPYQFnoECDgQA…
/r/PurplePillDebate13/05/26 07:16 AM
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That's not leading on.... he is doing what he wants to do, if the woman wants more why should the imperative be on the man? Those are both types of negotiated relationships, my dude. Nothing wrong with either, provided that everyone knows what's going on. Just like any other type of relationship. Yes my dude they are and I'm not sure how they are usually negotiated but from my experience they were usually after already have hooking up for a little while. Only 18% of women are open to early sex. …
/r/PurplePillDebate11/05/26 04:58 PM
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The guy may be worried he is coming off as a fuckboy/shallow, girl may be worried she doesn't want to come off as clingy.... with how common things like fwbs/situationships are it's totally dishonest to try and claim a blanket assumption that it's for a relationship and it's the imperative of the other person to communicate. Or hell just wait until a relationship if that is a deal-breaker. If you are the one with the problem make your voice heard and don't just make it the responsibility of ever…
/r/PurplePillDebate11/05/26 04:17 PM
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Grown adult women (IRL and assuming whoever made that movie was an adult woman and yes assuming gender lol) and probably teenagers/children as well since I don't check everyone's age online and ppl lie Like have you read the comments here? People are one step above trying to call it rape
/r/PurplePillDebate11/05/26 03:46 PM
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Yes, in that scenario he would be misleading you and killing you.... this doesn't change the fact that in a scenario where they get into the car with assumptions that were not intentionally planted in her, they can't really blame the driver if it wasn't where they assumed. 2 different scenarios with different results, almost like the world is nuanced and just because 1 thing is bad doesn't make the other bad.... shocker Back to arguing that body count = intentions? Ffs no, forget about body coun…
/r/PurplePillDebate11/05/26 03:43 PM
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Just assuming things the guy wants and then getting mad when it's not what she wants
/r/PurplePillDebate11/05/26 03:22 PM
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If you get into a car just making assumptions where you are going you can't cry kidnapping if it goes somewhere else than you assumed Body count ≠ intentions. That's bizarre and nonsensical 2 different things. You are complaining about the guy not making his intentions clear but in this scenario neither is the woman, you are just placing the burden on the man
/r/PurplePillDebate11/05/26 03:21 PM
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Don't forget that consent must be freely given, reversible, informed, enthusiastic, and specific, or it's not consent. Presumably, you don't wanna have sex with someone who hasn't fully consented. So don't. I hate this broad view of informed consent, sure things like STD's make sense, but unless we are going to include things like women being up-front about their body count or something then it seems pretty 1 sided to suggest men need to make their intentions clear.... as the woman is also not m…
/r/PurplePillDebate11/05/26 02:14 PM
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Well continue not believing, it's basically the plot of the movie "oh, hi" (although in this example they focus on the men that do "relationship things" while not wanting a relationship) Not sure why you are so sure that something isn't true just because you haven't noticed it, I think it says more about what you like to ignore than how common it is
/r/PurplePillDebate10/05/26 10:30 PM
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I'm aware that some men lie, im saying I see this attitude even when they don't.... it's not that I don't understand you, I just don't agree. Damn, not that complicated, like do you just think I was unaware that a lot of me lie to get laid or something? If you want to say my entire premise is wrong that's your prerogative but don't expect me to ignore what I have seen and just go along with what you are saying and start a conversation with that as the premise
/r/PurplePillDebate10/05/26 10:07 PM
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Pretty sure men are generally referring to different standards for different men, not changing your standard in general. Now if they have treated women better in the past then you and show no sign of that changing as a general rule. Then yeah, leave him, sounds reasonable to me
/r/PurplePillDebate10/05/26 10:01 PM
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What you were essentially trying to claim is that women feel automatically entitled to a relationship and that a man is under no obligation to state whether or not he wants a relationship. Nope, one of the reasons men aren't under some sort of obligation is precisely because women don't always want a relationship either.... i bleieve most people would totally be against the man if he started acting like the woman is a bad person for not giving him a relationship after hooking up, but for some re…
/r/PurplePillDebate10/05/26 08:57 PM
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I don't have a no relationships in general rule, I just don't want to date everyone I hook up with (not that it's a lot or anything), I feel like that is more common than anti relationship men in general (although new generation may be changing that). Sometimes I know before we hook up, sometimes later (generally don't say before asked either way though)
/r/PurplePillDebate10/05/26 08:52 PM
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I know you aren't, but I'm making a comparison to show the faulty/biased logic. Again, why should the responsibility fall on the man? I'm just generally going about living my life and don't feel the need to disclose everything I'm thinking to everyone. She can easily say what she wants as well you know.
/r/PurplePillDebate10/05/26 08:04 PM
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Is not disclosing body count upfront messing with the ability to make an informed decision? If women can do that without you thinking it's wrong you should be ok with this as well
/r/PurplePillDebate10/05/26 07:56 PM
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I didn't say that, I said I don't feel stronger than women in that regard. You want to try and play that "if you are a real man" card but it's pretty ridiculous in this case, I believe men and women generally have different strengths (arguable about whether it's biological or societal but not important right now)
/r/PurplePillDebate10/05/26 07:54 PM
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Obviously there will be since there has been. It seems like you know that honesty will result in that person leaving so to avoid that you avoid the conversation. I think coming right out and saying it increases the chances more than saying so later.... being upfront about that kind of thing may be seen as rude imo.
/r/PurplePillDebate10/05/26 07:51 PM
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What "relationship"? The sexual one? Not withholding anything the woman isn't also withholding
/r/PurplePillDebate10/05/26 07:46 PM
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Cool. For any men that think there are no areas in life that women are "stronger" in that might mean something. I don't have this view of myself being "stronger" with my openness with emotions
/r/PurplePillDebate10/05/26 07:23 PM
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You mentioned relationships as well.... information like that can definitely move a woman from relationship material to casual only (You seem to be under the impression I want no relationships ever, but it depends on the woman and what's going on in life at the time)
/r/PurplePillDebate10/05/26 07:20 PM
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Generally don't know anything until something is said, I assume this only due to most women being more relationship focused than men
/r/PurplePillDebate10/05/26 07:16 PM
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Generally under the belief that things like that tend to be a mood killer, imo even if a woman would engage in casual sex she would be a bit offended if the guy tells her right away that he doesn't view her as relationship material. Also you are over playing the "can get casual sex" thing.... personally my ability to do so comes from low standards and is not as abundant with options or frequency as you make it sound.
/r/PurplePillDebate10/05/26 07:15 PM
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By this logic not disclosing body count would be in the same category right?
/r/PurplePillDebate10/05/26 07:10 PM
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I usually do, just doesn't tend to be something that's said until the "what are we" talk. I tend to just go with the flow until then. Why should the guy be obligated to bring it up?
/r/PurplePillDebate10/05/26 07:05 PM
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Due to the definitions of the words.... you are straight up basically asking "If acting like a stereotypical man in this instance makes you more masculine why doesn't acting like a woman make you more masculine?" Lol
/r/PurplePillDebate10/05/26 07:03 PM
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Because they aren't lol. I would call both idiots
/r/PurplePillDebate10/05/26 06:57 PM
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Doing relationship things does not mean relationship, it just means you like doing relationship things. That's why there's a difference between things like FWB/fuck buddy.
/r/PurplePillDebate10/05/26 06:54 PM
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I'm also not into cars/guns. Human beings tend to be masculine/feminine/strong/weak in different ways And last I checked, being open with your feelings was seen as feminine trait
/r/PurplePillDebate10/05/26 06:52 PM
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Depends what you mean by leading on Friendzone is a good example/comparison actually.... sucky situation but doesn't mean the other person owes you anything or did anything wrong Used for money is a more one sided endeavor than sex/friendship is though so I would probably put this one in a different category
/r/PurplePillDebate10/05/26 06:47 PM
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Not regularly, but yes a lot more than 1% of women have hooked up and still calling bull on it usually being Don through deception. Even you call it manipulation and claim to be a victim when a woman catches feelings and decides to withdraw sexual access as a result. I did not... I called it manipulation if your viewpoint of women having no interest in casual sex was true. I disagree with this premise though
/r/PurplePillDebate10/05/26 06:31 PM
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BS, where are you getting this belief that 99% of hookups are done using deception? Just making up things
/r/PurplePillDebate10/05/26 06:24 PM
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Specifically talking about those that do sleep with them if you haven’t noticed.
/r/PurplePillDebate10/05/26 06:19 PM
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So 2 people engage in an activity and you think men are bad for enjoying said consensual activity? Wtf Casual sex has zero benefit for women besides degradation. Well fuck that makes things worse if anything.... sounds like they are just using it to try and get something from men and being mad at men when it doesn't work. Not sure why you thought this would paint men in the bad light here lol
/r/PurplePillDebate10/05/26 06:17 PM
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If you are mad at a guy simply for not wanting a relationship after sex then yes you are being entitled.... no different than if a guy was mad at you for not putting out after paying for dinner
/r/PurplePillDebate10/05/26 06:12 PM
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You said hooking up without a relationship is sociopath behavior.... this would include the women they are hooking up with so wouldn't be an issue (not that I agree that its sociopath behavior) Edit: And my post is centered around women if anything since I'm pointing out their double standard
/r/PurplePillDebate10/05/26 06:10 PM
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Takes 2 to tango
/r/PurplePillDebate10/05/26 06:03 PM
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I’m not sure where you get the idea that women feel entitled to a relationship. We are allowed to want one and filter out degenerates and sociopaths. Whenever a woman is acting like a man did something wrong for not wanting a relationship but still sleeping with the woman.... are you suggesting this isn't a thing because you just saying there's women who know they aren't entitled to a relationship doesn't negate the existence of those that do think they are. And yes many men are going to have co…
/r/PurplePillDebate10/05/26 06:02 PM
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That's how it should be, not necessarily the case sadly
/r/PurplePillDebate10/05/26 05:31 PM
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Sure, just saying that it's not up to the man to communicate his intentions any more than it is for the woman
/r/PurplePillDebate10/05/26 04:58 PM
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Your 1st and 2nd paragraph go against each other lol. Pretty sure I didn't write anything about men lying to women yet you pretended I did and argued against that instead. I’m rejecting your entire narrative. Ok, you know that doesn't make it less strawman-ey to create a different narrative to argue against right?
/r/PurplePillDebate10/05/26 04:45 PM
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Agreed, but plenty of people act like the man did something wrong in this scenario
/r/PurplePillDebate10/05/26 04:41 PM
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So instead of arguing against what I said you decide to argue against a strawman? Interesting
/r/PurplePillDebate10/05/26 04:32 PM
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They feel this way after the hookup, treating the other person as having done something wrong by not giving you what you want is a perfect example of feeling entitled
/r/PurplePillDebate10/05/26 03:25 PM
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That's just you not knowing the definition "belief that one is deserving of or entitled to certain privileges" Legality/force isn't a necessary condition
/r/PurplePillDebate10/05/26 03:14 PM
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For the millionth time There's a difference between an analogy that happens to be negative and an analogy that is trying to justify treating a group of people as less than human..... this is a very important distinction and it serves 0 good in trying to conflate the 2, stop trying to water down the word dehumanization it's pretty important to understand the difference. Being offensive and distressing, especially insulting children, is terrible. Pretty low bar if saying something that may distres…
/r/PurplePillDebate10/05/26 02:51 PM
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Read the comments, they sure do
/r/PurplePillDebate10/05/26 02:29 PM
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I think most people wouldn't consider this dehumanizing. Just like most people value social tact. Sure they value it, but this doesn't make not following it "terrible"
/r/PurplePillDebate10/05/26 02:29 PM
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No idea what you are talking about unless you mean when I bring up something others start arguing about something else.... I gave the context, not sure what else you want or how fake/random quotes would improve the context in the slightest. Thinking a woman is wrong because she wouldn’t have sex with a guy is entitlement." But those examples aren't saying she should do anything, just how they are going to respond to her actions.... that's not entitlement that's just normal human interactions and…
/r/PurplePillDebate10/05/26 02:27 PM
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But women not communicating doesn't make them immoral liars?
/r/PurplePillDebate10/05/26 02:18 PM
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"Terrible thing" lol
/r/PurplePillDebate10/05/26 02:18 PM
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To show a comparison..... duh Notice how I gave context and you didn't. What context do you need other than the umbrella example of thinking a man did something wrong for not wanting a relationship after hooking up? Meanwhile, you couldn't even figure out the examples of entitlement I listed was entitlement. 2 out of 3 of those things were "she didn't do "insert thing here" so I'm going to do/not do "insert thing here", that's not entitlement, no where does it suggest he is entitled to anything.…
/r/PurplePillDebate10/05/26 02:17 PM
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I don't, I care about women not being called for their entitlement (also when people think complaining about a situation means you felt entitled to something different, like can't someone complain about something without this assumption?)
/r/PurplePillDebate10/05/26 02:09 PM
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I also have to say, me and you have had MANY interactions, the fact that you started remembering me due to calling someone else's kids baggage is so weird to me.... like really that is the worst thing I have said? Sounds so so so very tame to me lol
/r/PurplePillDebate10/05/26 02:07 PM
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Thinking a woman is wrong because she wouldn’t have sex with a guy is entitlement. Which is why most men don't do this, just hold women to the same standard is all I'm asking. Just like if a guy doesnt say “men dont want women’s baggage (kids)” most people wouldn’t care that he’s not interested in a single mom. Yes you care how things are said even if it means the same thing
/r/PurplePillDebate10/05/26 02:02 PM
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No I'm saying they are both doing the same thing, if YOU want to see that as hiding intent and lying then you have to hold women to the same standard. It’s all guys fucking each other over with their own mouths by lying. Pretty sure the guys doing the pumping and dumping aren't the same guys complaining they don't get a shot lol
/r/PurplePillDebate10/05/26 01:36 PM
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He isn't hiding his intention anymore than the woman is, either they both are lying or neither is
/r/PurplePillDebate10/05/26 01:16 PM
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2nd paragraph is a bunch of assumptions, but if you are saying I was wrong I'm glad you are at least consistent
/r/PurplePillDebate10/05/26 01:12 PM
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That isn't pretending to want a relationship or lying.... not sure why you think it is but English disagrees
/r/PurplePillDebate10/05/26 01:11 PM
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Well put
/r/PurplePillDebate10/05/26 01:10 PM
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Where is someone pretending to want a relationship? You are just making up things
/r/PurplePillDebate10/05/26 01:07 PM
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Acting like the other person did something wrong because you didn't get the result you wanted is like the perfect example of entitlement lol You are entitled to honesty from a romantic partner, Guys are neither being dishonest or even have a "romantic" partner in this example
/r/PurplePillDebate10/05/26 12:59 PM
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I'd rather you just not blame men for him winning when literally almost half of women voted for him, is that an option? Lol (if not, why not)
/r/PurplePillDebate10/05/26 12:56 PM
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Lying about the post while claiming that men are the untrustworthy ones..... yup this is reddit lol
/r/PurplePillDebate10/05/26 12:52 PM
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Not anymore required than the woman explaining what she wants
/r/PurplePillDebate10/05/26 12:51 PM
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I agree that if she was upfront about her intentions than he should be as well, but not going to talk against a guy shooting his shot anyways
/r/PurplePillDebate10/05/26 12:49 PM
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So why fixate on the men if it's not due to sexism?
/r/PurplePillDebate10/05/26 12:46 PM
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Most of those things aren't even entitlement lol. Not having a relationship with someone due to their behavior is just how dating goes.... you may dislike certain standards but that is not entitlement. Sleeping with you but not wanting a relationship is not manipilative that's just women feeling entitled
/r/PurplePillDebate10/05/26 12:43 PM
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How is it that a man would be lying by omission but not the woman? You know damn well you would not be on the man's side if he started acting entitled to a relationship with the woman after hooking up, quit trying to pretend otherwise
/r/PurplePillDebate10/05/26 12:38 PM
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You know almost half of women voted for him as well.... seems kind of sexist to fixate on the men
/r/PurplePillDebate10/05/26 12:34 PM
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Yes it does My point is to call out this kind of entitlement and to pushback against demonizing men for not wanting a relationship with a woman they slept with
/r/PurplePillDebate10/05/26 12:30 PM
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Never claimed I don't have an axe to grind. And women definitely act more entitled imo as this comment section is illustrating
/r/PurplePillDebate10/05/26 12:23 PM
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No thanks, I prefer the immature jester persona lol
/r/PurplePillDebate10/05/26 12:21 PM
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Then it's a lie. How is it a lie? That makes no sense but that doesn't mean that it's okay to approach without intend to see if it will work out, that it's about relationship. Of course it's okay to approach without intent to see if it will work out, why wouldn't it be?
/r/PurplePillDebate10/05/26 12:20 PM
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Definitely don't hold myself as mature lol You clearly know what you’re doing and what clarity you’re operating by making this post. Not even sure what this sentence means due to the "clarity you're operating" part.
/r/PurplePillDebate10/05/26 12:17 PM
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I can agree there is some gray area with the duration of daring, but honestly if they didn't distance themselves after then even that one becomes moot
/r/PurplePillDebate10/05/26 12:14 PM
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Why would it be the guys responsibility to make sure they are both on the same page? Seems simpler for the one that will have a problem to either bring it up themselves or simply not sleep with someone they aren't in a relationship with if it's so important to them
/r/PurplePillDebate10/05/26 12:12 PM
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Quite often true from what I have seen, more often than men lying to get sex at least Even on dating apps there is this point about what are you looking for? Yes there is, but a lot of women seem to forget there is a difference between wanting a relationship in general and wanting a relationship with them. Even the times I did want a relationship (I go back and forth) didn't stop me from sleeping with a woman I didn't want a relationship with.
/r/PurplePillDebate10/05/26 12:11 PM
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So I make a post about not being open with intentions(on both sides) and you argue a strawman about men lying?
/r/PurplePillDebate10/05/26 12:08 PM
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Pretty much But no, I don’t think you’re obligated to announce your intentions when you first meet someone because you may not know your own intentions. Yuppers, and intentions also vary between people, like maybe the guy is actually interested in a relationship, but just not with the woman he is with
/r/PurplePillDebate10/05/26 12:06 PM
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I agree people shouldn't be lying, but that doesn't argue against my claim that the person who doesn't want the relationship isn't doing anything different than the person who does if neither is communicating what they want.
/r/PurplePillDebate10/05/26 12:02 PM
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Stringing along entails intentionally misleading/deceiving If all they did was not tell you they aren't interested in a relationship then how are they more to blame for not communicating?
/r/PurplePillDebate10/05/26 11:58 AM
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If they are successful men they are probably pretty good at things like consistency and doing things you don't want to but need to. Not sure why them not wanting a relationship would matter more than their proven track record with these things. (Also some men are more traditional with them seeing the father's role as different to the mothers)
/r/PurplePillDebate10/05/26 11:16 AM
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Well he did mention the age gap double standard one, but yeah that's the only one he mentioned and definitely could have done better
/r/PurplePillDebate07/05/26 05:30 PM
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Using it in these circumstances is indeed dumb, congratulations on defeating that strawman
/r/PurplePillDebate05/05/26 09:39 AM
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Using it in these circumstances is indeed dumb, congratulations on defeating that strawman
/r/PurplePillDebate05/05/26 09:28 AM
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You’re acting like it’s one universal standard measured by who gets picked the most, and it’s not. What one person sees as a catch, another person won’t. That’s the whole point. No the whole point is even the person saying it doesn't actually think they are a catch since they don't even want them. You keep acting like I'm saying that to be a catch everyone needs to want you, but I'm stating if no one wants you then you most likely aren't a catch, 2 VERY DIFFERENT things
/r/PurplePillDebate30/04/26 05:44 PM
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Oh no someone used an analogy! Lmao
/r/PurplePillDebate30/04/26 05:16 PM
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Yup, which basically means that he has nice qualities for a guy even if overall he isn't actually a catch, people want a catch, if no one wants you then you aren't a really catch...... congrats on the nice qualities you do have though I suppose
/r/PurplePillDebate30/04/26 05:15 PM
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Agreed They are not happening in a vacuum, I just think that more often than not they are probably just talking about qualities they like but not enough that they are actually going to be interested by it. Like when they say something about how nice/sweet or whatever their friend is, quality they would love to have in a guy..... a guy they are already interested in
/r/PurplePillDebate30/04/26 04:00 PM
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Are there possible other explanations? Sure. Would rather put money on the jacket just not actually being that great OP's whole “proof is in the pudding” list is passive as hell . He's basically saying stand there and wait to be chosen, then use that as your scorecard. Nothing in that is proactive. Not true (although more passive than should be), dating apps is putting yourself out there and "more open to sex and relationships" can be taken either way although I would imagine it being about whet…
/r/PurplePillDebate30/04/26 01:13 PM
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You are confusing what he said, he specifically mentions many people to avoid what you are saying..... if one person doesn't want that jacket that may just be their preference, if no one wants that jacket it's probably not that great of a jacket
/r/PurplePillDebate30/04/26 12:45 PM
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Pretty much how I see it. Red Pill is too radical/extreme for me but I lean that way more than blue
/r/PurplePillDebate29/04/26 05:34 PM
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The irony of lemon gecko (or Lilith) saying men are impossible to talk to lmao
/r/PurplePillDebate29/04/26 11:42 AM
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It also had university students.... it also goes along with the theory that the reason women are often seen with assholes is perceived confidence. Either way it seems a lot more reliable than your theory that seems to be just wishful thinking or at best anecdotal
/r/PurplePillDebate28/04/26 06:09 PM
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Lilith still not knowing what dehumanizing means lol. Show of hands Who here actually is as blunt IRL (especially around women/men you are interested in) as they are on this sub? Ffs we shouldn't have to pretty up our language just to get women like OP to stop strawmanning
/r/PurplePillDebate28/04/26 01:30 PM
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Actually if you look more into the data men don't cheat as they age it is more of a generational issue (in the past there wasn't a difference between young and older men cheating rates)
/r/PurplePillDebate28/04/26 12:21 AM
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No it isn't lol it's just them arguing/disagreeing about the cause of the issue. Ffs do you really not understand the difference here?
/r/PurplePillDebate24/04/26 07:16 PM
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Not what I was saying..... you gave examples of men actually talking about the issue women were presenting whereas OP is talking about when the issue being talked about is ignored and they just bring up their own issue instead. TLDR comparison fail
/r/PurplePillDebate24/04/26 06:53 PM
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You just gave examples of them criticizing their point instead of using a whataboutism..... not a great example lol
/r/PurplePillDebate24/04/26 06:35 PM
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No one’s acting on anyone. No one’s being wronged. I feel this is the crux of the issue. You seem to be conflating "doing something" and "doing something wrong". Rejection is a part of life and rejecting someone isn't wrong..... doesn't change the fact you are rejecting someone And the entitlement part comes in when you frame a “no” as something done to you. That’s when it turns into “I was treated unfairly” or “she did this to me.” Maybe in your mind, but just like being rejected for a job this…
/r/PurplePillDebate24/04/26 01:30 PM
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Yes, it's the person trying to create something and the other person saying no..... both are interactions with each other that affects the other person. Why would one be seen as doing something to someone but not the other? Who is talking about entitlement? You just have a weird way of defining things
/r/PurplePillDebate24/04/26 12:51 PM
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What do you mean "acted on you"? If asking someone out is something seen as someone doing something to another so is rejecting someone. I'm a little loss at your definition of "acted on you", are you under the impression it has to be physical or negative to count or something?
/r/PurplePillDebate24/04/26 12:45 PM
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I agree it's dumb to act like you are in the friendzone when you never even took your shot And even if they do say they’re interested and she’s not, that’s still not something being done to them. There was no action against them, it’s just a lack of interest. That’s how it works. That's still them rejecting the interested party, saying "that's how it works" doesn't magically change things lol.
/r/PurplePillDebate24/04/26 11:16 AM
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Something was done and they were indeed put in the friendzone At the very least what's being done is rejection (not saying the one rejecting is wrong for doing so) Unless the person just automatically views anyone that comes up to them in a friendly manner as non-datable then yes they did indeed decide to sort the other person into the friend only category
/r/PurplePillDebate24/04/26 07:05 AM
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Some dude that acts like Mr. Roger's and gets laid all the time sounds like a funny character for a show
/r/PurplePillDebate22/04/26 06:58 PM
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To be fair it's kind of attractiveness in general, no reason to fixate on the weight part. As a chubby chaser myself in my admittedly 1 person experience, yeah there is still a big difference between the levels of attractiveness in big girls and how they approach dating because of it....... like RP tends to say men generally have to be willing to date lower to be able to engage in casual sex
/r/PurplePillDebate22/04/26 04:33 PM
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All depends on how delusional her standards are, if she only desires the best looking while being ugly she probably won't be having that much casual sex. However Statistics do seem to suggest that ugly/average women are indeed having more sex than the average/ugly male Https://www.aarp.org/family-relationships/better-looking-people-are-not-having-more-sex/ "Number of Partners: For women, the number of sexual partners decreases as physical attractiveness increases, whereas for men, the number of …
/r/PurplePillDebate22/04/26 02:03 PM
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Oh so you have some obsession and are just saying things that don't relate to someone's comment? That's pretty weird
/r/PurplePillDebate12/04/26 04:13 PM
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But why on my comment?
/r/PurplePillDebate12/04/26 04:07 PM
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What did I say that would make you reply to my comment about men lying? I only mentioned that you can defend something without benefitting from it and that some younger women will hook up with older men even without the $$$
/r/PurplePillDebate12/04/26 04:01 PM
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And what lies have I told?
/r/PurplePillDebate12/04/26 03:45 PM
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Tropes don't have to be 100% accurate to be a thing
/r/PurplePillDebate12/04/26 11:54 AM
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So you think men shouldn't be defending something unless they personally benefit from it? Even I have had an age gap "relationship" before (wasn't an actual relationship but there was sex) and I assure you I was no catch beyond being 6ft. Some Men are going to continue to date young women and the older women are just going to have to stop being so bitter about it
/r/PurplePillDebate12/04/26 11:51 AM
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Gold digger and trophy wife are insulting terms to the woman, What's your point? You asked for examples...... and like I mentioned, may not have a term for it, but women loving a man making 6 figures is a straight up meme, to suggest otherwise would be disingenuous. and* there’s the implication that the woman is fully aware of the situation and likes it that way. Very different from how it is for the mail order bride stereotypes Not really, the woman in the 1st world "likes it that way" because …
/r/PurplePillDebate07/04/26 05:18 PM
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Who said I can't? Such a weird thing to just assume. Gold diggers, trophy wife, many women obsessing over a man that makes 6 figures or more, dating doctors always been a "win" for women (although that one is money + status).... this is just so common
/r/PurplePillDebate07/04/26 04:44 PM
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I'm calling bull Sugar babies and tradwives are not seen as the only women that like men with $$$..... maybe this is what you think, but no that isn't what 1st world society thinks
/r/PurplePillDebate07/04/26 04:34 PM
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Sugar baby/sugar daddy dynamic is different than a rich man simply dating a woman who is a "lower class"
/r/PurplePillDebate07/04/26 04:25 PM
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That’s why we judge dirty old men that take advantage of people who’re clearly a lot older than them Well of course we should negatively view people taking advantage of others in general..... the issue here is when people jump to the conclusion that an older man dating a young adult woman is somehow taking advantage of her
/r/PurplePillDebate07/04/26 04:11 PM
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but there is also a difference in stages of life. I'm aware, but the stage difference between a kid and an adult is Vastly different than one between 20's, 30's, 40's etc..... is my point In my defense, en is not my first language. Oh thank god. Still, can you point to what i ignored? I did already..... I said it's not the most common or ONE OF THE MOST COMMON, it's the "one of" that you keep missing I never said men don't find young women attractive. I never said you did...... but knowing this,…
/r/PurplePillDebate07/04/26 01:04 PM
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I didn't deflect, I showed the error in your logic and then immediately answered your question with a yes it would be way different for a 42yr old to date 18 (with the added caveat that she also isn't his teacher) Boss ok in your opinion? Maybe an ex-boss, still sounds weird to me though There is nothing else in that paragraph. Could you point to what part i ignored? I said sentence, not paragraph, your reading comprehension is horrible I said it's not the most common OR ONE OF THEM, it's the "o…
/r/PurplePillDebate07/04/26 12:40 PM
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39 and 15 in Macron's case. Would 42 and 18 suddenly make things better? What a brain dead take, is a 19 year old dating a 12 year old the same as a 37 year old dating a 30 year old to you? So yes that and her not being his teacher would make the situation vastly different. I never said which one is the most common. I said which one is least common. Totally ignored 2nd part of sentence lol That is the motivation behind the behaviour. Not the behaviour once the relationship is established. That i…
/r/PurplePillDebate07/04/26 12:20 PM
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She was his teacher when he was a minor, the fact that you are even comparing this to 2 adults meeting and deciding to date is beyond disingenuous, it's actually quite worrying that you see them as basically the same. Totally disagree with this being the most common or one of them You completely left out the most obvious and common one..... men think young women are hot so the shallow ones that are able to will commonly date younger women, not that complicated and has nothing to do with grooming…
/r/PurplePillDebate07/04/26 12:05 PM
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And no matter what you tell me, Macron's wife is creepy, abusive and a groomer. To be fair that is more than just an age gap issue so I think that is a bad comparison
/r/PurplePillDebate07/04/26 11:45 AM
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Definitely disingenuous, the biggest complaint tends to be the "power dynamic" but most of that is money and they don't seem to complain about rich men dating poor women (unless they go to a different country to do it)
/r/PurplePillDebate07/04/26 11:25 AM
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Oh it's definitely not well meant. Maybe I'm wrong, just view it a bit differently but I suppose I'm just splitting hairs at best
/r/PurplePillDebate04/04/26 09:04 PM
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I don't agree that context is an insult.... it's not saying the other guy is gay or anything, just dismissing their criticism using gay. Definitely being used in a negative way, but not insulting the man. "If you don't like it, date men"
/r/PurplePillDebate04/04/26 08:04 PM
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I wouldn't say "maybe you should date other men" is an "insult"(more of a comment that uses the "ickiness" of gayness to dismiss any criticism the man has said about women), but overall yes it's usually an insult and it's ridiculous that they want to pretend otherwise
/r/PurplePillDebate04/04/26 07:43 PM
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OP's "evidence" is just showing that men have preferences lmao what?
/r/PurplePillDebate02/04/26 06:52 AM
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Well I highly disagree this is more of a male issue, like women hijacked the body positivity movement to shame men for simply not wanting to date fat women and called it fatphobic where I generally see men more saying how unrealistic women's standards are (rich and tall aren't common traits). Saying someone's standards are too high due to statistically being uncommon vs acting like they are some kind of a bigot for simply liking what they like..... one of these seem a lot worse to me
/r/PurplePillDebate13/03/26 11:34 AM
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So any backlash against preferences or just when men do it?
/r/PurplePillDebate13/03/26 11:00 AM
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Or do you just want to say that everyone should be hated? IF you feel like hating anyone for "gatekeeping" standards then yes I would like you to include women as well, why would you only hate men? You also assume all these negative emotions and reasons behind their actions so I am curious if you include this in why we so often see women trying to shame men for having any standards Now if you want to argue men's standards are more ridiculous or something then I would just argue against that.
/r/PurplePillDebate13/03/26 10:46 AM
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What are you babbling about? Women constantly hate on men for having any standards. Are you really going to pretend there isn't backlash to men not wanting fat women or single mothers? (Other in the top 3 would be promiscuous)
/r/PurplePillDebate13/03/26 10:22 AM
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Going back to the words that I used were 100% correct and you are just mad because it wasn't said in a nicer way...... if the outcome is the same why does it ruffle your feathers so much to just be honest and blunt about it? Then your other claim means absolutely nothing. Not sure what claim you are referring to, but I highly doubt it since unlike some people I don't twist things to match my views/what I want
/r/PurplePillDebate26/02/26 04:16 PM
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It's up to the observer to decide if it's a lot TO THEM, we all get to choose how to live our lives and people get to choose if they like or dislike it themselves.... where is the issue. By calling them a burden So you have issues with how words work and reality? Merrium webster: burden: "1a : something that is carried : load dropped the burden of firewood b : duty, responsibility bore the burden of caring for their aging parents lowering the tax burden on the middle class" literally comparing t…
/r/PurplePillDebate26/02/26 04:06 PM
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What are calling engaging in casual sex? That's really up for the person to decide isn't it? Because most women have had less than 3 Not sure why you think this changes anything about the women that have a lot Like how calling kids "baggage" isn't dehumanizing them, Unless you want to devalue what dehumanization actually is, then obviously https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Dehumanization Why do you want it to just include any analogy of a person?
/r/PurplePillDebate26/02/26 03:56 PM
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Pretty sure that is only with women that engage in casual sex and it's not considered a moral failing..... just making up things to paint it in a worse light?
/r/PurplePillDebate26/02/26 03:27 PM
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Same logic can be applied to women complaining about being used for sex, difference is only 1 tends to be expected and is seen as the norm
/r/PurplePillDebate26/02/26 03:17 PM
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This is dumb, the government should fuck off
/r/PurplePillDebate26/02/26 11:23 AM
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Just using it to summarize things. You can look at the study https://pubmed.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/15491274/ Again, if in-group bias is a bad thing it is ridiculous to be specifically looking at men
/r/PurplePillDebate25/02/26 04:00 PM
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It's not very true though (with the data shown). There are certain situations where it occurs, but overall men don't seem to have an automatic pro-male bias, it shows them still having a bias FOR women.... that isn't very in-group bias-y. This doesn't seem like something in general need to work on overcoming...... if gender in-group bias is a bad thing then it is indeed women that have the problem on this issue and should work on it since men are pretty good on that front as a whole already Goog…
/r/PurplePillDebate25/02/26 03:53 PM
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again for you "Furthermore, only women (not men) showed cognitive balance among in-group bias, identity, and self-esteem, revealing that men lack a mechanism that bolsters automatic preference for their own gender.[5]"
/r/PurplePillDebate25/02/26 01:47 PM
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3 times now I have said/shown that men don't really have an automatic bias towards their own gender. I also mentioned those other things so I guess your bias couldn't help fixating on them and ignoring what I said 3 times already. I can talk about men's issues (like we care too much about physical looks and not enough about stuff like financial literacy, also lack of in group support) , but this is a woman's issue lol. You are also showing you don't even care about the issue since you are ignori…
/r/PurplePillDebate25/02/26 01:40 PM
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How is showing that you are wrong about men off topic? You are confusing it with just going along with your incorrect assumption and discussing things within it, 2 different things
/r/PurplePillDebate25/02/26 01:15 PM
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Did you even read what I quoted? It shows men have a bias of positive views of women and don't have an automatic bias favorably for men like women do with other women. Your own in-group bias is also VERY ON TOPIC considering this is probably where your entire view is coming from
/r/PurplePillDebate25/02/26 01:12 PM
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Love that you bring this up becausei think it affects pretty much the entire gender/sex conversation, study after study shows that it's women that have the in-group bias. The "women are wonderful effect" isn't just Red Pill propaganda, it's a common occurrence in a lot of western countries. https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Women-are-wonderful_effect "This research found that while both women and men have more favorable views of women, women's in-group biases were 4.5 times stronger[5] than those of…
/r/PurplePillDebate25/02/26 01:07 PM
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The point is that there will always be the first guy subject to a new standard. Not true, sometimes even less standards than previously. Either she's never allowed to make better choices, the man in question isn't being victimized and she shouldn't be shamed, Where did I say the man is being victimized? or she can wait X time to "reset" Yes, generally it's a good idea for ANYONE to not just trust words and go off of previous actions to tell you about a person instead. It is ridiculous to think t…
/r/PurplePillDebate21/02/26 05:33 PM
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Or wait longer I suppose...... not sure what you are trying to get at with that question though because by this logic you can make most standards/preferences sound bad since everyone would have to comply or be alone. For someone who is so up in arms and defending a woman's freedom that isn't being threatened you sure do seem to dislike a man's freedom of choice on this subject.
/r/PurplePillDebate21/02/26 04:38 PM
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Not sure what you mean by "ok to try", but as for when should a man stop thinking it shows a lack of desire? Subjective and would count on other factors like how long/much they have been doing it for...... but generally as long as needed for the guy to not be naive in thinking she has changed.
/r/PurplePillDebate21/02/26 03:45 PM
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I didn't dismiss the point with her, this is from a previous argument. I explained the difference between an analogy an Dehumanization, but she just dismissed it (it needs to be something that can/is trying to be used as an excuse to treat people as sub-human, such as calling them trash or animals) Do you also just think any analogy of a person is Dehumanization? Or just the ones you don't like? https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Dehumanization
/r/PurplePillDebate21/02/26 03:38 PM
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Really doubt this is more of a guy issue, women seem to be the ones that stereotypically hate analogies with objects (one of the more common ones being cars) What's lazy is crying "Dehumanization" at every analogy you don't like. It devalues why actual Dehumanization is such a bad thing (justifies treating people as sub-human)
/r/PurplePillDebate21/02/26 03:23 PM
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Me: if she is hooking up with men (NOT JUST HAS DONE SO BEFORE) You: just because she has done so before I’m not misrepresenting anything. Lies
/r/PurplePillDebate21/02/26 02:23 PM
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I'm not justifying it with false statements. There is a difference between a woman that has merely done it before and one that still does, you are creating a scenario that it wouldn't necessarily be beneficial to have that standard and pretending that it's always this way instead of the exception
/r/PurplePillDebate21/02/26 02:16 PM
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It literally isn't, you just can't read
/r/PurplePillDebate21/02/26 02:09 PM
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nothing in that phrase indicates 'still doing it'. It being in present tense instead of past tense indeed suggests "still doing it" Not to children merely existing. So you do practice dehumanization just not with kids and this makes it ok?
/r/PurplePillDebate21/02/26 01:54 PM
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Do you not make any negative analogies with people (knowing you it would most likely be men) or do you just think it's different when you do it? "Only if she is taking that risk with other men" so yes, you do expect that. That's not expecting her to keep doing it, that is her literally still doing it lol. Just acknowledging that if she doesn't see you as one of the men she wants to do that with then you probably shouldn't date her...... pretty understandable to not want to date someone that is a…
/r/PurplePillDebate21/02/26 01:47 PM
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So any negative analogy? Which you never make yourself? So I didn't straw man. Yes you are because it's not expecting them to just keep hooking up with strangers or "terrible men". If you see the idea as faulty why do you feel the need to misrepresent it? If it's really so horrible you should just be able to explain why instead of just making these strawmen to attack
/r/PurplePillDebate21/02/26 01:37 PM
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Do you just call any analogy dehumanization or just the ones you dislike? (Actually answer, you keep ignoring the question) This is about what benefits men. It is exactly about benefitting the man deciding to be in a relationship with her or not, why are you acting like this is a bad thing? You guys expect women to risk a 66% chance of not having fun Only if she is taking that risk with other men, otherwise why should the man take the risk to date her?
/r/PurplePillDebate21/02/26 01:29 PM
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Another Lilith strawman. The idea is that if she is the type to hook up, you shouldn't get serious with her unless she is attracted enough to you to see you as hook up material. It really isn't that complicated or wild, why do you insist on misrepresenting ideas?
/r/PurplePillDebate21/02/26 01:11 PM
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Do you have this opinion on women's "tests" such as a common one of saying that's one of their reasons for wanting men to pay? (Which personally I don't agree with since it's pretty common for men to pay for sexual reasons) or do you just dislike when men do it? (Or this one specifically)
/r/PurplePillDebate20/02/26 05:16 PM
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(Totally clocked the gay thing right away since you are a man that didn't understand this issue and said your "partner") Once you realize you can ignore other people and do what you want, you are free. Oh I totally agree, but sometimes you have to do things you don't particularly want to do to be with someone you want to be with or just not be alone, it's a pretty normal thing (and people tend to come with positive and negative qualities, it can't all just be good). No one seems to like everythi…
/r/PurplePillDebate18/02/26 12:43 PM
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Because it was a common issue in dating and even with this negative it was preferable to being alone until it wasn't. Is there absolutely nothing in dating that you find negative, but still participate in due to it being culturally ingrained in dating itself? Because that’s great if that's the case, but you can't expect everyone to do/feel the same, kind of impractical for the majority of people. Again, if you don’t like the dynamic you have in a relationship, but you KEEP participating in the d…
/r/PurplePillDebate18/02/26 12:29 PM
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Not as simple as that, plenty of propaganda (for lack of a better word off the top of my head) out there that really shames men that never want to go out as not caring about their GF and of course a lot of women buy into that. Then there is of course the fact that we can't just do what I want to do all the time .... it can also be sneakier, technically the last one didn't expect me to pay all the time, she would "just get the next one", but somehow it was always me paying for the restaurants and…
/r/PurplePillDebate18/02/26 08:42 AM
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I would prefer it that way as well, but I'm a homebody myself and the exe's that I had that would want to go out tended to also want me to pay (except when I was an unemployed 18 year old dating a 20yr old with a job)
/r/PurplePillDebate18/02/26 08:13 AM
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People are going to say that it's not a gender thing (which I'm not sure I agree with), but there is no way the expectation of who has to pay doesn't factor into it. Dates/trips sound a lot better when it's someone else's dime (only experienced the expecting dates one, although paid for a trip on a gf's birthday once but nothing wrong with that)
/r/PurplePillDebate18/02/26 07:57 AM
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Putting things in perspective isn't useless. Especially when there is a decent chance that their fear is a result of either the internet making it seem worse than it is or running on outdated information that isn't true anymore.
/r/PurplePillDebate16/02/26 10:22 PM
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And I just refuse to be a single mom. So I either have kids with a man who will cheat on me and I just suffer through it because he pays the mortgage ….lol or don’t have them. Those seem to be my options. Statistically men cheat less now than ever before and are equal to women in % (if we ignore senior citizens, previous generations cheated a lot).
/r/PurplePillDebate16/02/26 09:46 AM
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No I'm just making the point that a desperate man is indeed desperate and will generally take what he can get by pointing to the #1 usual complaint (and as a "chubby chaser" the one I have the most familiarity with) if the incels here legitimately have a standard SUCH AS (not exclusively) obesity which affects a great deal in the US, then yeah not much pity here.
/r/PurplePillDebate15/02/26 01:14 PM
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in general I think most of guys standards is more for relationships and are not against going for people that don't match them I often do wonder about standards from "incels" since I often do think just how little action I would have gotten if I had standards like these, but I know most of the big women I have been with had no trouble getting laid so obviously plenty of men with no-low standards.
/r/PurplePillDebate15/02/26 12:58 PM
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Don't care much and I assume something will happen to keep men around (most likely technology) or we will die off as a species before it happens
/r/PurplePillDebate15/02/26 08:43 AM
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What also really gets me is the claim that “80% of women want the top 20% of men.” Meanwhile, men of all ages openly admit that they’re most attracted to 18-22 women - and betcha they don't mean fat ones! - which is an incredibly tiny slice of the female population. How is that not a much more extreme bottleneck? 2 reasons, 1st is this is talking about physical attractiveness, does not take into account actually having to date the women 2nd- this is just about at what age men see women in genera…
/r/PurplePillDebate07/02/26 11:34 AM
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For starters are you really going to try and pretend that most relationships start because the woman fell in love with the guy? I'm 100% calling bull lmao It makes no logical sense to simultaneously believe that you need better qualities to get relationships than hookups while also knowing that most men are unable to get hookups but are able to get relationships. Maybe it's true for YOU, but women are showing what's more impressive with their actions and actions speak louder than words..... if y…
/r/PurplePillDebate27/01/26 09:21 AM
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If that was true more guys would be hooking up, reality is disagreeing with you
/r/PurplePillDebate27/01/26 09:08 AM
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That is not the only reason.... it is indeed harder and to do it you generally have to have a lot of positive qualities (such as looks and charisma). In general things that are harder to do are more impressive
/r/PurplePillDebate27/01/26 09:05 AM
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How the fuck does this comment have anything to do with what I said? And me saying it's harder obviously implies women are less into hookups
/r/PurplePillDebate27/01/26 09:01 AM
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As another person already pointed out way men are able to get relationships than hookups, you can say whatever pretty words you want, but the real world shows what is harder and thus more impressive to attain. Being "relationship material" has always seen as almost a negative to me UNLESS you also think they would be a good hookup.
/r/PurplePillDebate27/01/26 08:52 AM
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Where did I say that? If anything, "Looks matter the most" comes into play in this context because what is appealing about a broke piece of shit? All they would be able to offer is looks. Right there, if we are able to date women (even if it's not a lot) what are the women dating us for if it's not looks? (Answer: personality) Oh no your friend didn't want to fuck you. What does that have to do with my post? If you are friends with someone it's generally because you like their personality and yo…
/r/PurplePillDebate26/01/26 12:50 PM
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(Different person here) It can be that both genders are equally easily attracted to one another, Even women commonly disagree with this take and will say they are only attracted to a minority of men
/r/PurplePillDebate26/01/26 12:39 PM
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The fact that you would just assume that all the guys here only have their looks going for them, but that seems wrong on multiple fronts. Friendzone existing pokes further holes into your theory. Would also have to assume that almost every woman we are dating is shallow but also the minority of women..... these seem like a lot of assumptions to make based on what? Do you have any actual reasons to think this way (like stats) beyond your bias beliefs always looking for a way to blame men for ever…
/r/PurplePillDebate26/01/26 12:38 PM
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So are you disagreeing with women's "the bar is on the floor" statements? Because it sounds like they supposedly aren't looking for too much personality-wise, it's just the guys they are interested in don't need to offer more because they already get the girls based off their looks. I think most guys here will agree that getting through that door is the hardest part. My success rate after getting a date is pretty damn high if I say so myself (and i don't just mean sex)...... in getting that date…
/r/PurplePillDebate26/01/26 12:27 PM
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I don't really care beyond the point that it seems women generally want a man that at least makes as much as them and from my personal experience the women that I dated that earned more than me still expected me to be the one spending $$$ even after the initial dating phase
/r/PurplePillDebate24/01/26 01:14 PM
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Are you allergic to the question or something? Ffs Would it be OK to treat other groups worse due to crime statistics based off things like religion or race (the groups, not the crimes) or are you specifically only using this logic for men?
/r/PurplePillDebate22/01/26 08:25 PM
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I feel like you have some reading comprehension issues because you keep arguing against things I never said. I'm not calling the statistics discriminatory, I'm saying treating someone worse due to their sex is literally the definition of discrimination. Answer my original question: can we use crime statistics to treat other groups worse (besides men)? Because if not you aren't being logically consistent and proving that it's not actually a good reason
/r/PurplePillDebate22/01/26 07:35 PM
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What are you talking about? I have refuted the logic. It sounds like you and Lilith are working backwards from hating men and trying to justify it, otherwise the logic of it being ok to discriminate a group based off crime statistics would be consistent.
/r/PurplePillDebate22/01/26 06:54 PM
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You may want to think about that for a second I don't think you are making the point you think you are making lmfao
/r/PurplePillDebate22/01/26 02:35 PM
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Most crime is intraracial, so that's just racism. Most violent crime from men is intrasexual, so that's just sexism
/r/PurplePillDebate22/01/26 02:12 PM
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Do the last 2 sentences change what I said at all or are you just deflecting?
/r/PurplePillDebate22/01/26 01:49 PM
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Literally the definition of what you are doing Merrium webster: 1 to unfairly treat a person or group differently from other people or groups on a class or categorical basis (as race, religion, gender, or sexual orientation) https://www.merriam-webster.com/dictionary/discriminate
/r/PurplePillDebate22/01/26 01:42 PM
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Exactly, you never addressed what I said/asked. Not sure why you want to pretend otherwise
/r/PurplePillDebate22/01/26 01:38 PM
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Where do you address that it's either ok to discriminate groups of people based on statistics or just men? Will be waiting for the quote, but im sure you will pivot to just saying why we should hate on men but not women again instead
/r/PurplePillDebate22/01/26 01:35 PM
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Can we use statistics yo discriminate against other groups or just men? It's Lilith, we already know the answer lol
/r/PurplePillDebate22/01/26 12:59 PM
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In my experience big women are easier to get into a FWB situation
/r/PurplePillDebate22/01/26 06:01 AM
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Of course I would do the same things for someone I’m interested in dating as someone for hookup, in fact, I will do MORE for the person interested in dating because an escalation in relationship generally comes with more investment. You are literally saying that you wouldn't do something for the relationship guy until he shows his investment to you that you are (possibly hypothetically) doing for men that don't. Edit b4 reply: both men and women want to know if the other person is actually into …
/r/PurplePillDebate21/01/26 11:23 AM
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(Male) Best sex unless I'm planning on marrying her then it would be best partner
/r/PurplePillDebate19/01/26 04:21 PM
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From my experience I can assure you that is definitely not the only reason I think in many ways restraining oneself from sex shows poise and is demure, thus a more feminine, attractive trait to men. Not if she isn't restraining it in general lmfao So the options seem to be she is either less sexually interested in you or trying to pretend she is something that she isn't..... great options there lol
/r/PurplePillDebate19/01/26 04:14 PM
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Buying flowers is less expected nowadays except for certain holidays so I don't hear men complaining about this one much beyond mentioning how it's not like women ever get them flowers and shining a light on the entitlement/ hypocrisy (why they want them I don't know) I'm not ignoring, I'm disagreeing. Most women have plenty of men wanting to take them out on a date..... some women choose to only date the guys that don't (usually because they are more desirable) and pretend it's all men, but thi…
/r/PurplePillDebate19/01/26 04:09 PM
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It indeed could, this would be considered playing games/being fake and is also generally not something people love.... but it is indeed better than the alternative. But unless you are suggesting that women also will sleep with a man faster if she finds him Sexier than other men she is dating what is your point beyond "that's not always the case!"?
/r/PurplePillDebate19/01/26 03:58 PM
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Oh so you actually wouldn't like you previously claimed, interesting. Yup and in general just being as interested in sex (you also hear about women that will do certain things due to being more sexually attracted to a man than others they dated). Not the only measurement, but why would you think it shouldn't be considered as well? Is it so weird to want your partner to desire you sexually as well as personality-wise? Would you feel no negative thoughts about knowing the guy you are dating/marryi…
/r/PurplePillDebate19/01/26 03:55 PM
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A lot of women will have sex with some guys faster than other guys...... men just want to be desired as much as other men if they are going to be in a serious relationship with the person.
/r/PurplePillDebate19/01/26 03:40 PM
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This whole post is about "genuine desire" because a lot of men complain about women going around "fucking chads" but will eventually settle down for a less desirable but more stable/attainable man. Often represented by things like women having sex earlier with men they "desire" while waiting longer for a guy they think might be a good bf but not as sexually desirable from the start. I definitely have this kind of mindset from things that happened in the past and less so in adult years but still …
/r/PurplePillDebate19/01/26 03:34 PM
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Glad you 2 found each other. I know you said it isn't your only issue here but I will say there are a lot of guys that are 100% ok/into big women, im one of them. Just wanted to say that, have a good 1.
/r/PurplePillDebate19/01/26 03:21 PM
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The women with different "waiting" standards aren't. Edit:grammar
/r/PurplePillDebate19/01/26 03:18 PM
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I will take what I can get sexually, not romantically. Big difference. Anything I would do for a woman I'm only sexually interested in I would do for a woman I was even potentially interested in more for..... can woman say the same?
/r/PurplePillDebate19/01/26 03:13 PM
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It wasn't a warm kind of approach, especially the most recent. It was sexual lol (we were joking around and she actually asked for my number which I'm not sure if that's ever happened to me previously, respect for her on that at least) Sure I have. Had 1 girl I was dating for awhile that straight up told me she doesn't consider it an actual date unless the man Is paying (I didn't take that to a serious relationship). An LTR of 2 years where she lived 90 minutes away and it was ALWAYS me driving …
/r/PurplePillDebate19/01/26 02:50 PM
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Nothing in the dictionary definition fits, actually look at the link and the examples they give lil I cannot thank you enough for you showing people I dont strawman. Guys here will actually make such ridiculous claims. I don't think this is going the way you think lmao but you are welcome. BTW do you never make negative analogies for anyone (especially men) or is it just different when you do it?
/r/PurplePillDebate19/01/26 02:31 PM
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With these 2 no actual dates although I met both at work and we talked beforehand. one was only like 1 day (the more recent 1) but the other we would have lunch together and stuff (didn't ask for her number until she stopped working there)..... I definitely should have kept that 1 more sexual I think, she literally said she wasn't looking for anything serious, I fumbled, shit isn't as easy as it sounds though.
/r/PurplePillDebate19/01/26 02:22 PM
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1.Irresponsible is something I agree with you on, men need to care more. I to dislike this. 2.Hoes are definitely not AS viable, it's a very big negative. Easier to overlook if it is no longer true though (still a big negative) There is a difference between intelligence and education..... but in general I never liked my friends more or less based off of their education/intelligence, but things like nice and being pleasant to be around definitely play a role, similar reasoning. Next part is going…
/r/PurplePillDebate19/01/26 02:16 PM
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Buying flowers is not the usual hoop men talk about Then why are you focusing on the bracket that i only added for accuracy instead of where I said most men are not against going on a date with women? Doesn't make a lot of sense
/r/PurplePillDebate19/01/26 02:07 PM
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It did degrade into that which is when I stopped texting the last 1, but generally it's a bunch of me asking questions, and getting an answer sure, but no questions back or anything beyond just answering the question (how was your day, what plans do you have for the day/weekend, asking about food/shows etc...) I can look at the messages right now and see like 6 times more words from my side. Also texting 1st almost always seemed to be my job with them. Also there is a lot of me questioning if I …
/r/PurplePillDebate19/01/26 02:02 PM
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But you used these examples to try and imply that they aren't jumping through hoops because you can point to some hoops they aren't jumping through Didn't say walking date, a lot in-between a walking date and an expensive one. most men will go on dates with women if given the chance, the ones that don't are a minority that don't have to jump through hoops which men here talk about different standards for men constantly
/r/PurplePillDebate19/01/26 01:46 PM
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Flowers aren't the only hoop. The only guys saying no to dates are the ones with no issues getting women lol, how many men do you think are against going on a date with a woman (maybe against expensive ones)
/r/PurplePillDebate19/01/26 01:33 PM
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Men in general tend to have to attract women usually and as many men here will attest to, this is very true on dating apps. Aside from dating apps where men need to try and stand out and be entertaining in my offline life I've recently had 2 women that I "fumbled" due to not being entertaining enough. One literally called me a boring texter, which isn't necessarily untrue bit was definitely putting in more effort than her..... women do not realize how hard it is to seem "fun" when you aren't giv…
/r/PurplePillDebate19/01/26 01:31 PM
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“I don’t want to be a stepdad” = statement about one’s own role “Kids are baggage” = statement about children’s value Both are saying they don't want to raise someone else's kids.... doesn't that show less "value"? Why does using an analogy make it worse to you? And “baggage” is literally: an inanimate burden something that lowers value something you’d prefer not to carry Yes it matches some points, but it's missing the key component where it's speech that is used to justify treating people less…
/r/PurplePillDebate19/01/26 12:51 PM
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You should be working to get money for yourself and the future of your marriage (money is often an issue and more money would allow for vacations and stuff). I don't understand why you would feel negatively about men not wanting you for your money.
/r/PurplePillDebate19/01/26 12:40 PM
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Lilith you are cemented as this subs queen strawmanner lmao Google ai on the difference between an analogy and dehumanizing "Dehumanization is the act of stripping individuals or groups of human qualities, reducing them to objects or animals to justify abuse or indifference. An analogy is a neutral cognitive tool used to compare two different things to explain or clarify an idea. The fundamental difference lies in intent and effect: an analogy aims to explain, while dehumanization aims to denigr…
/r/PurplePillDebate19/01/26 12:17 PM
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You need to look up the definition of dehumanizing, if you think an analogy is the same. Nice to see even women calling you out for your BS about men wanting to be desired being bad though lol
/r/PurplePillDebate19/01/26 11:04 AM
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Dude this is a bad example, while bitch is a gendered term (that is often used by sexist men), it is about personality not their mere existence, it's just the female version of calling a dude a dick, neither are inherently sexist.
/r/LeftWingMaleAdvocates18/01/26 06:43 AM
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How is me not bringing this up earlier make it not nuanced? I have a hard enough time keeping you from twisting my words to mean something else and if you would lay off of that a little we could actually get into more nuanced parts of the conversation. Not my fault you made an assumption and just ran with it. I don't know what assumptions are in your head and you tend to think the worse of men anyways so it's not like I can address every negative assumption you may possibly have Edit: that comme…
/r/PurplePillDebate17/01/26 12:09 PM
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Often they don't which is one of the reasons relationships fail. This is what is supposed to be figured out during dating and I agree it's hard to figure out, but you act like you can never know which is just untrue.
/r/PurplePillDebate17/01/26 11:49 AM
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And why would it feel like she settled? All because she was able to hookup with dudes hotter than the dudes she’s dating long term. That’s it. You are leaving out the part where the only reason she is choosing him is that she couldn't get commitment from the men she is more interested in.... this makes it self respect, not insecurity. Add that part and spread it around and see what people think if you want, lol you won't like the results
/r/PurplePillDebate17/01/26 11:33 AM
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Not only improving your SMV, also helps with other things like deciding how you want to go about dating (like whether looking for marriage/short-term/casual)
/r/PurplePillDebate16/01/26 11:20 PM
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How women tend to go about dating seems pretty relevant and useful information for any man that would be dating women. Your problem doesn't seem to be relevance, just men complaining in general.
/r/PurplePillDebate16/01/26 11:12 PM
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A serious person doesnt have low self-esteem and desperate for validation. Thats a teenager. And this is just your opinion on it being insecurity, doesn't make it true “You dont like me if you dont worship me!” that’s a narcissistic manchild. What have I said would suggest that a woman needs to worship the guy? Actually desiring them? Lmfao does this mean men are worshipping every woman they want to sleep with? You have weird definitions
/r/PurplePillDebate16/01/26 10:36 PM
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I was talking about men, you started talking about the women hating part of incels..... Is she supposed to keep dating through the chads till she finds the right family guy among them? Either be upfront about why you are marrying someone or don't marry someone just because they can "give you a better life" Fuck some of you can't seem to grasp wanting to actually be desired vs being wanted for what you can do for someone (would assume because you haven't experienced it much)
/r/PurplePillDebate16/01/26 10:08 PM
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That isn't insecurity in oneself Are we enjoying other’s company? Yes? Cool, And just leave it as fun instead of getting serious with someone that isn't that into you is what I would suggest
/r/PurplePillDebate16/01/26 10:00 PM
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So you are talking about a minority of a minority, got it. i fail to see anything in yours, aside from the lingering stench of self entitlement of placing the blame on the Woman as apposed to the male who is choosing to enable her selection. Why would they hate men for just sleeping with who they want instead of women trying to use men they see as less attractive? It would be similar to many women hating on "fuckboys"
/r/PurplePillDebate16/01/26 09:58 PM
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Per red pill definitions they would be low value (or at least not high), not necessarily beta I think
/r/PurplePillDebate16/01/26 09:17 PM
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Wait so are we talking about "men" or incels? And which incels.... the term used for men that are seen as anti women or men that can't get laid? And are these men hating women for sleeping with Chad or are they hating on women that go through a hoe phase sleeping with "chads" and then settle down with an average guy either due to an inability to lock chad down or being in need of a more financially well off/stable partner?
/r/PurplePillDebate16/01/26 09:08 PM
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Would you prefer being the best your partner could keep (and originally would have thought you weren't good enough) or them choosing you instead of settling?
/r/PurplePillDebate16/01/26 08:49 PM
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Hmmmm now we may have to disagree a bit, depends on the girl, area and how you meet. Dating app stats for instance tends to have many women hooking up on the 1st date at least once and 3rd I would assume is likely Then what does that have to do with women being able to sleep with hot guys in a hook up? Well the theory is that their ability to hook up with attractive men makes them think that's what their league is, somewhat understandably.
/r/PurplePillDebate16/01/26 06:23 PM
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Most guys don't expect women to fuck on the 1st date regularly. They do want to be the kind of guy that they do though I’m going to hold you accountable for what you say and don’t say. I said they seem to think they deserve such a great guy.... not that they say "great guy" and mean hot. So yes let's go with what I said and not you trying to say it doesn't count because they don't say it out loud lol. They do act like they deserve a guy with an above average personality and above average looks
/r/PurplePillDebate16/01/26 06:15 PM
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Well the theory some men will have (myself included more or less) will be that this is often later down the line and men don't want to be the one "settled" for because they couldn't lock down the guys they were sleeping with
/r/PurplePillDebate16/01/26 06:07 PM
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No I'm talking about the general population, even if most women don't engage in hookups regularly it's not a small minority that has done it before. Even worse from an observational perspective for me personally and have to remind myself that I just live in a "ghetto area" that makes these things more common. Thats not even the same thing as what you previously said. The attractive part is implied, they are talking about other qualities but they also mean hot..... there are already many men arou…
/r/PurplePillDebate16/01/26 06:01 PM
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Because there are many women that indeed due engage in hookup behavior, men here will have varying degrees to how much they believe this is going on, but unless you are trying to suggest it doesn't happen I don't see where you would be surprised that many men wish they could be the kind of guy that is able to engage in it. Dude, I have a post from sometime ago, showing men getting upset with women that they could raise their look standards. And I bet you many men there called it out for being du…
/r/PurplePillDebate16/01/26 05:36 PM
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Ugh Lilith and the strawmen attack again Men here definitely do talk about how sex is different for women Men sleeping lower than their league isn't "blamed on women", it's one of the things people point to to try and explain why so many women seem to think that they deserve such a great guy and won't settle for less
/r/PurplePillDebate16/01/26 05:26 PM
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"If I can't be a hoe I don't want any men at all" Weird logic, but you do you
/r/PurplePillDebate16/01/26 10:26 AM
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Saying they wouldn't be involved and saying they wouldn't care are 2 different things. Like is your belief coming from thinking humans are inherently selfish or do you believe that men in the manosphere specifically only care about male issues that affect them personally? Like I'm not an incel myself, but I definitely feel bad for those guys (although I do often wonder how many of them have went for a big and/or ugly girl and if they don't I tend to feel less bad)
/r/PurplePillDebate08/01/26 08:17 PM
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Yes and no. He is also saying that the manosphere doesn't care about men's issues in general
/r/PurplePillDebate08/01/26 06:41 PM
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But it's not a valid reason. But it's a true reason You are welcome to refute them, but I get the feeling you can't actually do that. That's exactly what I'm doing lmao Yes it was. how is them thinking it sucks that men have to choose between divorce and knowing if a kid is theirs showing that they don't care about men?
/r/PurplePillDebate06/01/26 07:59 PM
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This is a meaningless "both sides" deflection. No this is showing a reason something is happening besides "they just don't care about men", sorry if it hurts your narrative, but you either haven't been paying attention if you haven't noticed this or just believe your own sides BS I know because I wrote them. Just because that is your narrative, doesn't mean the posts actually show that No, it's about the manosphere ignoring men's issues so they can bash women and feminists. No it wasn't..... how…
/r/PurplePillDebate06/01/26 07:26 PM
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1st isn't even what we are talking about, just things they believe that you don't lol. 2nd is more of a political issue.... male or female, democrat or republican..... they tend to have blinders on for "their side" 3rd is you just being mad they don't like your alternatives..... like with the paternity issue you downplay the fact that they are likely to be divorced if they go this route lol, like you didn't even deny it you just acted like that wasn't a reasonable thing to want to avoid
/r/PurplePillDebate06/01/26 06:58 PM
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This just isn't true. Went through 6 months of your posts and the only other 1 I saw was you complaining about them raising fitness standards for combat roles (seemed to originally think it was for everyone). Which saying they need to be up in arms about that or they don't care about men's issues is crazy talk to day the least. People complain about issues all the time, the ones that are going to be male specific are also going to be judged by how it's different than it is for women like is ofte…
/r/PurplePillDebate06/01/26 06:37 PM
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So unless men specifically care about bi-men only issues they don't care about men? That is a wild leap there
/r/PurplePillDebate06/01/26 06:20 PM
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Good ideas, may try that next time, thanks. Last girl I dated took me to a paint and sip a few times which was fun until I sipped too much once lmao (i broke things off later though since wasn't that into her and wanted to focus on work) Yeah it might be too late if you ghosted lol Well I wouldn't call it ghosted, I just stop putting in unreciprocated effort (i just stopped texting her first after some days of nothing but 1 word replies that made me feel like i was bugging her or something, coul…
/r/PurplePillDebate22/12/25 10:38 AM
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Totally agree (although instead of a low tolerance I have a bad habit of thinking more will be better lol). I haven't done any active dates in the beginning, but a coffee or a drink date I have done. And I'm sort of in a situation where I want to do something with this girl but no idea what kind of date to do..... probably moot though since I think she already lost interest even though she is the 1 that asked for my number (I'm getting 1 word replies now and because of that I haven't messaged he…
/r/PurplePillDebate21/12/25 04:00 PM
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Nah it just makes it clearer if anything...... both on the line, no paper abortions
/r/PurplePillDebate21/12/25 01:37 PM
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And all I did was show how we don't use this logic with women so it's pretty sexist that you think it is an absolute for men
/r/PurplePillDebate21/12/25 11:31 AM
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Women can opt out of being pregnant, not of being responsible for any children they create. They can literally leave their baby at a fire station wtf you talking about lmao
/r/PurplePillDebate21/12/25 11:30 AM
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They should, but many people think women shouldn't have to, but men do
/r/PurplePillDebate21/12/25 11:29 AM
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Just saying “ur wrong” is not an argument. You gave me an "since this is true...." scenario which I argued that your whole idea is wrong unless it is true, which it isn't to which I am responding, is that abortion places sole decisionmaking power with women, and thus men have no obligations to their children, because they are not involved decisionmakers. No the argument is that since women have the ability to opt in or out so should men. You want women to have the rights and choice to avoid the …
/r/PurplePillDebate21/12/25 11:28 AM
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It's both of their responsibility/right starting out.... the difference is people think women should be able to opt out, but not men.
/r/PurplePillDebate21/12/25 11:19 AM
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If the responsibility accrues solely with a woman This only makes sense if abortion is illegal (and even then you would have to ignore adoption) You cannot opt into someone else’s rights unilaterally But your premise is faulty, it's not just her rights
/r/PurplePillDebate21/12/25 11:14 AM
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Why doesn't it make sense If the woman can choose to opt in or out after sex/birth as well? Technically she doesn't even have to tell the man sadly
/r/PurplePillDebate21/12/25 11:07 AM
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As another already pointed out the flaw in your logic..... the woman agreed to his right when she decided to have his child.
/r/PurplePillDebate21/12/25 10:59 AM
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Oh most definitely. I'm a shy dude, social interactions tend to be stressful in general. Add to that the interview vibe determining if you are worthy of their interest and it is indeed nerve wracking. Thank God for alcohol lol. When I was young my alcoholic ass had a bit of a saying I liked repeating "I'm not trying to get the girl drunk, I'm trying to get me drunk.
/r/PurplePillDebate21/12/25 10:35 AM
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Dating in the beginning is usually more stressful than enjoyable, but they tend to be necessary since that is how we as a society have decided to do most of our "interviews" for other things such as a relationship and/or sex Although most of my relationships didn't start off with a traditional date so how necessary is subjective
/r/PurplePillDebate21/12/25 10:25 AM
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Top comment on Urban dictionary "Someone who does way too much for a person they like". Pretty simple, although obviously "too much" is subjective. Wouldn't think so..... depends if you think calling a girl a "pick me" is misogyny I guess. Like others have said it all depends on reciprocation, relationships shouldn't have 1 person doing significantly more than the other without a damn good reason
/r/PurplePillDebate20/12/25 07:09 PM
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So you admit you just don't like it lol. Prove it wrong or quit crying, simple as
/r/PurplePillDebate20/12/25 07:01 PM
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As others are pointing out, if recent stats say similar things why do you care that people still use the okcupid data as well? If you have stats showing it as wrong I'd understand, otherwise it seems nitpicky and just disliking data you don't agree with
/r/PurplePillDebate20/12/25 05:41 PM
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That's not a very reliable indicator of female preferences IMO. When it matches the data it sounds more reliable than anecdotal evidence. I'm going by my own experiences and observations. Cool, mine differ than yours as an almost middle-aged man, women say differently and the data says differently....... kind of sounds like maybe you shouldn't just assume your experience is universal here
/r/PurplePillDebate19/12/25 02:01 PM
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I think you are partly correct, but it's usually not the younger women railing against it. I'm sure some do, but more likely they are just thinking that other women think like themselves...... also a lot of women just hate when men are seen as getting the "better deal" or if they have more "power" in the relationship (which personally I would say wealth gap is the real power difference, just so happens older men usually have more $$$ than young women) There are multiple reasons they bitch about …
/r/PurplePillDebate19/12/25 01:12 PM
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But I'm not.... I just understand the worry, it's a bit weird to date someone you knew as a kid imo, but I don't go out of my way to call it out unless it's a sus situation (like starting to date soon after she turns 18) You can't "accidentally" groom someone. Don't know what else to call it, having a minor fall for you, but waiting until they are of age to start dating them (and rather intentionally or not using their crush they developed as a minor to do it) sounds sus...
/r/PurplePillDebate16/12/25 07:36 PM
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How is this "clearly"? We can be sure of that when the person didn't even know them pre-18 however. But I'm more worried about the teenager developing these feelings pre-18 which sounds a bit like an accidental grooming situation.
/r/PurplePillDebate16/12/25 07:21 PM
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Describe a single episode in history where women did the same? I can't name any where they would be the leaders of society in general so that's going to be a bit hard too do lol. I get it. I'm against infantilising women. Yes, there are some dangers to age gap relationship, but young women should maintain the right to make their own choices So close, just need to add men to this empathy of yours and also not be treating them like predators for finding young women attractive like most men do
/r/PurplePillDebate16/12/25 06:34 PM
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Because then people wonder about grooming and how long you were attracted to them before they turned 18........ age gap in general is just being attracted to a young adult
/r/PurplePillDebate16/12/25 06:28 PM
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But men do claim they find naivety attractive, so there's that. Besides, we as humans had to invent laws to stop men from having sex with children, Minority of men Also women We had to create laws for most things, even what is considered a child The second one...Has quite a lot of supporting data. Doesn't mean all older men abused their younger wives/gfs but the fraction of men that could get away with such abuse long term usually belonged to that category. And once those girls get out of such r…
/r/PurplePillDebate16/12/25 05:54 PM
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The 2 main ones are they either say they are going after younger women because they are too naive to know that the guy is a loser or something (which is ridiculous since as guys can attest to, getting younger women is a lot harder than getting a woman your own age, they just bitter) Or that they only go for younger women so they can abuse them...... which honestly makes me wonder about their own mindset, like why would you assume that men are going for women seen as the most attractive due to wa…
/r/PurplePillDebate16/12/25 05:11 PM
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Huge difference between dating someone you knew pre-18 than an age gap in general. Means nothing legally, but I am still going to argue against a decent amount of society trying to label men as predators just because they don't like that men find younger women more attractive.
/r/PurplePillDebate16/12/25 05:02 PM
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Because the people against it tend to make some pretty messed up accusations about the men, seems like a better reason than most of the things talked about on this sub
/r/PurplePillDebate16/12/25 03:57 PM
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and that means that women who are younger are more desirable because they are still naive in their lack of experience. How are you jumping to this conclusion when statistically it's shown that men find women most attractive around 18-25..... sure a 30 year old is still young and attractive, just not AS young and attractive.
/r/PurplePillDebate16/12/25 03:49 PM
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Account age 8 days and hidden history.... sus as hell Women are AS shallow as men just way more picky
/r/PurplePillDebate16/12/25 03:36 PM
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Considering they aren't usually killed in crazier ways or by a different demographic I don't think this really fits YOUR narrative
/r/PurplePillDebate16/12/25 03:27 PM
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Isn't all of that also evidence of what issue they care about, not just a coincidence they choose to help out that 1
/r/PurplePillDebate15/12/25 04:28 PM
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But you said it to try and downplay how it's seen as a women's issue, unless you are just randomly throwing out facts without relevance to the conversation Super odd to imply that society cares more about women because we pay attention to that. But whatever man—stay mad I guess? Weird Ignoring how the news also focuses more on when things happen to a woman (more so if white) than men. We can see this trend when it comes to race and call it out, why do we turn a blind eye to this when gender is i…
/r/PurplePillDebate15/12/25 04:27 PM
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I think they're more likely to donate to those who identify a good cause and spread awareness. Great non answer
/r/PurplePillDebate15/12/25 04:18 PM
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People spent years and years working for other cancers as well, more just went to breast cancer and they were able to get more people to donate to them than others which helped them grow. Do you think Americans are more likely to donate to causes to help women or men? Be honest here
/r/PurplePillDebate15/12/25 04:13 PM
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I said demonizing their double standards (like body count) not their cancer lol Yes, but it's mostly a female issue and it's even branded as such, probably because they know more people will care that way. https://www.nationalbreastcancer.org/breast-cancer-awareness-month/ Website even specifically talks about women, you are being incredibly disingenuous
/r/PurplePillDebate15/12/25 04:04 PM
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As if the same can't be said about other cancers, as I also pointed out with the news society straight up just cares more about women's problems more than men's (to be fair most just care about their own and don't care too much about either)
/r/PurplePillDebate15/12/25 03:59 PM
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Nah, the news focuses more on white women because they know that's who Society cares about more. Same reason breast cancer vastly gets more $$$ than any other form of cancer. Society ok's women's double standards while demonizing men's regardless if they are admirable or not, trying to justify this and pretend otherwise does no one any favors
/r/PurplePillDebate15/12/25 03:19 PM
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Just the ones you guys focus on, but wont admit because you dont see women as people. Speaking in generalities isn't uncommon, and it has statistically been proven to be generally true. If you think men only do this when it comes to women then you are just delusional (lol) That claim is still made. Almost every claim is made by at least someone, way more women will believe men are more shallow so why fixate on a minority of men that think this?
/r/PurplePillDebate15/12/25 09:02 AM
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Great job ignoring context. Wasn't ignoring context, you misunderstood me. I was saying no one in that thread seems to be trying to argue against you that it's really women that are the shallow ones (might be like 1, didn't look through all) So we're just gonna pretend men here never talk about how women only care about top 20%, how they only like assholes, and that they dont appreciate good men? Moving goalposts now, calling women shallow with unrealistic standards isn't the same as saying they…
/r/PurplePillDebate14/12/25 02:58 PM
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So basically you are just going to pretend that it's actually common to see? Your last post about men being shallow doesn't seem to have men saying this kind of stuff either So how often are you seeing this stuff? It seems to be a minority even on this sub and that kind of says a lot
/r/PurplePillDebate14/12/25 02:48 PM
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They're the same people. No they aren't, would be overlap though "Why are you in a purple pill space criticizing people you see in the sub and in Manosphere spaces?" This or most of your posts aren't even the usual on this sub (i'm here as well, can't just makeup stuff and expect me to believe you instead of my own eyes), your comments tend to show this just like on this post..... it's such a common theme from you
/r/PurplePillDebate14/12/25 02:37 PM
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Why do you even care about such a small minority of men? Already a minority of men claim women are MORE shallow (as shallow would be what men usually say) and you want to narrow that down further by specifying the ones that say "any woman will do"? You really like to make posts about a small fringe of men, if this isn't ragebait I honestly am curious why this seems to be so common with you.
/r/PurplePillDebate14/12/25 02:29 PM
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The inverse is the law of small numbers: the smaller your sample, the less likely real outcomes are to resemble predictive ones. That's what 99.99% of men are actually living through. Our lives are, effectively, exrremely non-random and irrelevantly small polls. But all the stats that do have large samples show a certain average..... random or not most men are going to end up with these women because that is the average woman. Not saying you can't be the exception, but most men are going to be d…
/r/PurplePillDebate13/12/25 06:05 PM
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No it wasn't lol I'm saying men care a magnitude less, just Google this stuff it's not hard to find. I'll just use one I googled for someone else right now "One of the most robust findings in evolutionary psychology is the observation that men and women differ in the characteristics they prefer in potential mates. In study after study, in country after country, psychologists consistently find that men strongly prefer looks over resources, whereas women value resources over looks. But what accoun…
/r/PurplePillDebate13/12/25 05:18 PM
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They mean almost nothing to our actual lives, most of the time. BS Google "law of large numbers" for a more comprehensive explanation. Seems to be suggesting the opposite of what you are saying..... Basically the more you date the more likely to end up with women that care a lot about money since that is the average if we look at all the samples Wiki- "In probability theory, the law of large numbers is a mathematical law that states that the average of the results obtained from a large number of…
/r/PurplePillDebate13/12/25 05:12 PM
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Huh, the comments seem to be back (reddit told me they were deleted yesterday) "One of the most robust findings in evolutionary psychology is the observation that men and women differ in the characteristics they prefer in potential mates. In study after study, in country after country, psychologists consistently find that men strongly prefer looks over resources, whereas women value resources over looks. But what accounts for this sex difference in mate preferences?" https://www.psychologytoday.…
/r/PurplePillDebate13/12/25 05:07 PM
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Bro we really going to do this again? Are you going to delete all your comments again like yesterday? Lmfao (13 hours ago). Will do
/r/PurplePillDebate13/12/25 04:48 PM
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What is your point here? That men should just ignore how much women care about money? Are we all supposed to fight to be the exception? I would wager a lot more people want to believe they are going to be the exception than actually are.
/r/PurplePillDebate13/12/25 04:29 PM
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You know you were trying to call women golddiggers. You just dont like that it looked bad on your end. Partly yeah, not hiding from that lol. Women in general are partly gold diggers, I don't want to call them that not because it looks bad on me, but because it ignores the ones that ONLY care about money who are the ones that actually deserve that title Because they gravitate towards women who care alot. Typically because theyre hot and/or have low personality standards, which helps out shallow …
/r/PurplePillDebate13/12/25 03:04 PM
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Because you guys like shallow women. Wouldn't consider myself RP (RP-lite). They are too extreme for me, but a lot of what they say is just stuff people already knew (a lot just got tricked by society telling them to just be good people/themselves) and packaged differently. Men are just attracted to women in general. If she is shallow that should just move her to the "fun only" category..... I see it the same as when you are going to school and wanting "options", no reason to limit yourself unle…
/r/PurplePillDebate13/12/25 02:57 PM
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Look if you want to nitpick me using the word obsessed (kind of just matching OP's energy) I'm not really interested in debating semantics......... but the fact is that RP cares as much as they do because statistically women care A LOT, it may vary some by country/culture/region/time period, but study after study shows it's one of the best ways to "level up" in the eyes of women
/r/PurplePillDebate13/12/25 02:49 PM
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Also, it's much easier to believe they were wronged by women than Well duh, most people have been wronged in dating a decent amount (if actively participating for awhile) than admitting they're terrible people with no redeeming qualities What are you basing this belief on? Shallow traits help a ton in attracting women..... being "nice" or something, not so much
/r/PurplePillDebate13/12/25 02:43 PM
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Stats (from many countries and studies) show women care a lot about money in general, unless you want to suggest most women are gold diggers your claim is statistically false
/r/PurplePillDebate13/12/25 02:40 PM
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Talks about dishonest and leaves out the part where I say "A LOT" Lmfao the hypocrisy. No one that sees this will buy any future attempt at pretending it was just an accident and not a deliberate attempt to change what I said. I also am not surprised that you didn't have any stats, good riddance
/r/PurplePillDebate13/12/25 01:41 PM
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If there are more exceptions to your rule than those that fit your rule, it's not actually a rule, just your biased opinions. Agreed, but stats show women generally care about a man's money and we can see the affect status has. I can show you stats that show women care about men's money a lot.... do you have any stating otherwise or just basing it off your bias? so they mould themselves into shallow men obsessed with money and status? Sounds about right. Then they complain about those women and …
/r/PurplePillDebate13/12/25 01:18 PM
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Another woman that thinks because a generalization doesn't include her that makes it not generally true, shocker So what point are you trying to make exactly? That maybe the group that is about dating women is promoting something that helps in dating women.... basic logic here
/r/PurplePillDebate13/12/25 01:07 PM
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Because women are obsessed with money and status /thread
/r/PurplePillDebate13/12/25 12:58 PM
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So even though I just saw 2 sources talking about how much better Republican marriages are reported to be and end in less divorces I should just look at a map that says more people divorce in red states and ignore all that other stuff? The data is clearly saying something different than what you are suggesting
/r/PurplePillDebate13/12/25 03:20 AM
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Dude did you even read that article it's totally right leaning and glazing the Republicans, it's arguing against you.
/r/PurplePillDebate13/12/25 03:09 AM
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Are you sure about that? Google ai- (are republicans or democrats more likely to divorce) "Research indicates a complex picture, with different data sources suggesting slightly different conclusions depending on the specific age groups and data collection methods. However, generally, Republicans are less likely to have been divorced than Democrats among ever-married individuals, and Republicans also report happier, more stable marriages. Key findings from various studies include: Lower Divorce R…
/r/PurplePillDebate13/12/25 03:04 AM
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Yet feminists seem to love doing the opposite, movements tend to move away from founding principles And "ffs" means "for fuck's sake", since "promiscuous" is just the dictionary definition of what we are describing, would have been more understandable to say that against people using the word "slut". Also would sex positive necessarily even mean someone would be promiscuous themselves?
/r/PurplePillDebate12/12/25 09:38 PM
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Well not very well so far lol (haven't made it past casual with a girl that young since I was also in my mid to early twenties) the last one I struck out with after getting her number straight up called me a boring texter (which she was not holding up her end of the conversation, I was trying at least lol)
/r/PurplePillDebate12/12/25 08:25 PM
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I mean all of the "sparkle sparkle" community seem to dislike men beyond what they can do for them, most female dating tiktokers seem to have a pretty low view of men You say "promiscuous." Because that’s the word for what we are talking about ffs It sounds like you engage in "anti-woman rhetoric," which skews your perspective. Yet i'm talking about what i see from women, not what men say is going on. And you seem to engage in feminist rhetoric, not exactly unbiased yourself miss "sex positive"
/r/PurplePillDebate12/12/25 06:13 PM
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Considering the girl I'm currently chatting up is 24 I'm still in this lol (she asked for my number, but after some initial dirty Talk I don't think it's going anywhere, I do not have a good success ratio with younger women)
/r/PurplePillDebate12/12/25 06:05 PM
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Pretty long time ago my man, shit has changed even since I've been dating (I'm mid 30's myself). easy girls back then where most definitely not man haters. they loved men and dick. You and OP seem to be going at this backwards. I didn't make the claim most sluts hate men, I said it seems like most women that hate men are sluts, crucial difference
/r/PurplePillDebate12/12/25 05:48 PM
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Both, the only man hatey women I know IRL are pretty promiscuous (or gay). Are the women in your life that seem to really dislike men seeming more sexually conservative?
/r/PurplePillDebate12/12/25 05:20 PM
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You can also just look on social media, the "influencer" women spouting all the anti-man rhetoric seem to be pretty promiscuous women. We can even look at conservative vs progressive data showing conservative women getting married more often.... which I know isn't exactly synonymous with slut vs non-slut, but the few numbers close on the subject seems to point towards a different conclusion than what you are seeing. Higher body count also equals more likely to divorce (although statistically sto…
/r/PurplePillDebate12/12/25 03:21 PM
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Gotta disagree, most man hatey women seem to be pretty promiscuous from my observation..... seems like it's pretty common for these women to go around sleeping with promiscuous good looking men and then complain men only want sex.
/r/PurplePillDebate12/12/25 03:12 PM
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Here's why I think it should be about networth potential. Because it makes me look better Go back to number 1 (No but seriously after watching a lot of toutube financial shows like the financial audit and looking around me, yeah people are usually just dumb with money)
/r/PurplePillDebate12/12/25 01:14 PM
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Yes, but you are assuming all change is good change with this logic.
/r/PurplePillDebate09/12/25 08:06 PM
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If they figure out that he was only pretending to be a friend (not just assume) I get it, but honestly I see women far too often criticize men for simply trying with a girl they like, weird stuff.
/r/PurplePillDebate09/12/25 02:47 PM
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Even in this dating world that has men and women disagreeing on almost everything has them still generally agreeing that men are not good at recognizing these signals..... sure maybe a part of them recognizes it subconsciously, but that is far different than those that are able to just actually notice and act on it. What the comment you replied to was describing was indeed better than a "basic" ability.
/r/PurplePillDebate07/12/25 09:23 AM
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Sounds more special than basic to me unless you are suggesting that most men are able to do this....... the stereotype about this indeed suggests this isn't a basic skill. Special- "better, greater, or otherwise different from what is usual." Basic- "constituting or serving as the basis or starting point" "fundamental" Sounds like a special skill to me. (Unless you are arguing that most men have this skill)
/r/PurplePillDebate07/12/25 08:41 AM
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Already answered why It was weird to complain about not being able to bring it up without being accused of generalizing men as predators when you start taking about it as a reply to someone saying that men in general do not think grabbing women is complimentary or even normal. Also you seem to ignore the fact that men already are aware of this and generally operate accordingly..... just not to a high enough degree that you are comfortable with apparently and you want us to go more out of our way…
/r/PurplePillDebate06/12/25 11:15 AM
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Here's what I understand. I see you saying essentially: “I know what men do better than the women who live around men.” You already got that mixed up. I was correcting her claim that men view "grabbing body parts" as a compliment (which you can clearly see in my original reply, only thing i even commented on).... are you suggesting you understand what men think more than men? And somehow you heard two women calling men predators. Wouldn't you consider a man going around grabbing women's body par…
/r/PurplePillDebate06/12/25 09:28 AM
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She didn't call anyone a predator. and grab body parts is not a compliment, it's a threat. This is what she said, regardless of the size difference men do not see this as a compliment..... which is all I pointed out, not sure why you had an issue with that and i would definitely consider that a predator You are the only one here who has made this into a thing about average men and who has read these words and felt personally victimized. This is a thread about what you would say to the opposite s…
/r/PurplePillDebate06/12/25 09:17 AM
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Sometimes they don't actually communicate it well. Lilith framing that men are always just wrong for not "fixing" something their GF complains about isn't how relationships work. There is a lot of middle ground between something that was complained about before and an ultimatum.
/r/PurplePillDebate06/12/25 09:07 AM
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She never even said average lmao what are you talking about? You are just making up things to justify your pushback now lol. She said she wished men would understand that grabbing them at work isn't a compliment....... Men in general already do, simple as that. If you want to talk about threat dynamics without people thinking you are generalizing men as predators, don't do it as a reply to someone calling out another person for legitimately generalizing men as predators LMFAO
/r/PurplePillDebate06/12/25 08:57 AM
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He said more likely and gave reasons why..... why bother "arguing" if you are just going to ignore what they say? Considering this a "basic social cue" is the reach here
/r/PurplePillDebate06/12/25 08:44 AM
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the average man does not think doing that to a woman would be a compliment, why are you trying to answer a different question?
/r/PurplePillDebate06/12/25 08:36 AM
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Men may not be aware to the extent of it (understandably), but we are aware that it's a thing and tend to do many things in life just so that women feel more comfortable (most commonly talked about one would be walking faster/slower or even crossing the street to put space between us and a woman, especially at night). Most men are out here just trying to live our lives and are at least somewhat aware of how we can be intimidating to women and lessen that impact somewhat just because it's the nic…
/r/PurplePillDebate06/12/25 08:33 AM
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Around or more than 50%
/r/PurplePillDebate05/12/25 11:12 PM
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You honestly believe the average man views grabbing women at work is a compliment?
/r/PurplePillDebate05/12/25 08:00 PM
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This is how I always saw it, not being sexually desired but still "wanted" feels similar to what I imagine women feel like when they are only being sexually desired.
/r/PurplePillDebate05/12/25 07:58 PM
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They technically do, but I was referring to the difference between vetting between potential partners vs choosing between a potential partner and celibacy
/r/PurplePillDebate05/12/25 04:37 PM
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Most either vet or don't really have that option..... a minority here thinks all women are the same so it doesn't matter, which most of them probably don't have the option anyways so for their life they are practically right.
/r/PurplePillDebate05/12/25 11:52 AM
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Tsk tsk then you should know better Do you just assume other men don't vet for girlfriends if they have that option? Or are you expecting them to not sleep around?
/r/PurplePillDebate05/12/25 11:36 AM
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I'm not a good enough catch for better apparently so I just have fun with what I can get. You can tell women really have no idea what it's like to not have options with posts like this.
/r/PurplePillDebate05/12/25 11:27 AM
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Some do and maybe many do behind closed doors..... but generally they just blame men in and act like they are somehow entitled to monogamy from men they sleep with.
/r/PurplePillDebate04/12/25 01:33 PM
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Agree with the title. Issue happens when you ignore a bunch of red flags due to their good looks and then act like men in general are bad partners. Shouldn't even be a gender issue, men can admit when they were thinking with the wrong head, not sure women often have a hard time admitting this.
/r/PurplePillDebate04/12/25 01:27 PM
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This just sounds like a classic Lilith strawman.... who wants ultimatums and who the hell changes every behavior that their partner dislikes? You are just framing a situation in the worst way possible when it's not a black and white situation
/r/PurplePillDebate04/12/25 07:06 AM
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Does this happen with vasectomies?
/r/PurplePillDebate27/11/25 05:30 PM
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So they were able to convince so many women to be against feminism too for the sake of MAGA. So in your head this was just men convincing women instead of women simply having priorities that were higher than feminism? LGBT people fought their asses off, black people fought their asses, women fought their asses off. And yet we see them able to change some things but not other things....... by YOUR logic they simply aren't fighting hard enough. So much more true for women specifically since they t…
/r/PurplePillDebate27/11/25 03:50 PM
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Or having almost half of the women on your side actually makes it possible..... shouldn't be too surprising Nice dodge..... but I think this question is important, do you hold these same beliefs about groups in general or do you only criticize men this way?
/r/PurplePillDebate27/11/25 03:34 PM
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Because they are actively fighting against it due to chauvinistic/sexist/bigoted reasons. Do you always blame the group "not fighting hard enough" against bigotry or just when it comes to men?
/r/PurplePillDebate26/11/25 01:14 PM
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If all men came together sure, but as your example shows it's not that simple and it's pretty much impossible to get a whole gender to do anything. Is your whole point resting on the fact that feminists can't always get their way? Lmfao who is saying otherwise?
/r/PurplePillDebate25/11/25 03:09 PM
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Barely more than half of the men voted for trump and barely more than half of women voted against him. Yes, feminists only have power if others listen to them, this isn't a gotcha this is just you showing that you don't know how the world works
/r/PurplePillDebate25/11/25 02:45 PM
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Generally depends on the girl, haven't had to wait for a relationship before sex since my 1st so it isn't even something I always knew before sleeping with them. I don't think most guys are trying to "play the field" they just apparently have a higher standard than "anyone that will have me"
/r/PurplePillDebate22/11/25 09:15 PM
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Early twenties seems to be the age men generally find most physically attractive
/r/PurplePillDebate11/11/25 01:40 AM
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Employers use all kinds of things to determine whether they want you want to work there or not so Starting just seems similar in both cases about being on the lookout for red flags...... difference is the Employer is a lot less likely to overlook these red flags just because the applicant is attractive. its not normal to break up over red flags? pretty sure the people who sat “pick better” think women should be seeing red flags as they come up. Depends what you mean by red flags..... if they are…
/r/PurplePillDebate05/11/25 12:11 AM
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You are trying to compare getting fired vs starting dating which is already a false comparison....... who is acting like women should break-up with their BF due to subtle queues or some random accusation? This isn't a popular belief
/r/PurplePillDebate04/11/25 10:38 PM
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Where is the discrepancy? Many here have already pointed out how employers do look for potential "red flags" before hiring someone. maybe dont trust a random anonymous text, but if there is a credible person with a detailed account, why wouldnt it be better safe than sorry in both scenarios? "Credible" seems to be the keyword here. Want to twist your hypothetical until you get the answer you are looking for? Lol
/r/PurplePillDebate04/11/25 10:23 PM
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Generally we like to have protections for our workers so they don't get fired unnecessarily...... are you suggesting we should make it so anyone accused of anything (that could potentially hurt work) be fired? That sounds pretty ridiculous and bad for everyone involved. Better to be cautious beforehand if you want to go this route
/r/PurplePillDebate04/11/25 10:08 PM
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There is a huge difference between being cautious/careful and going after someone due to baseless accusations, This isn't hypocrisy, try again.
/r/PurplePillDebate04/11/25 09:53 PM
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But why wouldn't they just rate them 3's then? This doesn't seem to explain the fact that most were below 2.5
/r/PurplePillDebate28/10/25 05:33 PM
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I've read it, but it's been awhile. Dude they literally claimed 80% of the men were less than average lol I guess I forgot they messaged the "average" men more, apparently showing some self reflection as apparently "One interesting thing seems to be going on here: when the best-looking men write the worst-looking women, their message success rate takes a big hit." Does sound like the rating system was a bit iffy but seems to have worked well for men with balanced ratings towards women
/r/PurplePillDebate28/10/25 05:15 PM
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Do you have a link to that? Because if IIRC that was more about who they ranked as average, they just ranked men extremely low so that the top men were ranked average (where men ranked women more like you would expect a population to be spread out)
/r/PurplePillDebate28/10/25 04:48 PM
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If only a few men were having sex, that percentage should be much lower than the percent of women who do. What do you mean? It matches the 80/20 number pretty decently, 24% instead of 20%. Already said that I do agree Redpill tends to exaggerate but nothing in that stat seems to go against the belief that a minority of men are having the majority of sex..... like do you think only 24% of those men WANTED to have sex within that last month? For the women's number it doesn't really say much other …
/r/PurplePillDebate28/10/25 10:08 AM
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Not sure where it says that but I did see "The study, published in the journal Socius, found that between 2007 and 2017, the percentage of 18-to 23-year-old men who had casual sex in the past month dropped from 38 percent to 24 percent. The percentage dropped from 31 percent to 22 percent for young women of the same age." Which seems to match your numbers somewhat. (Difference of 2% and if the trend continued maybe more than men at this point). This doesn't say only 22% of 18-23 year old women h…
/r/PurplePillDebate28/10/25 09:11 AM
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(Wouldn't call it "blame") For starters it's for similar reasons women aren't ecstatic when men are willing to sleep with them, but not date them (in this case the belief would be that they probably don't see these guys as someone they would have had casual sex with, but have with other men). This has a lot of other sub-issue partly tied to it like worrying why they are with them, would they stay if the guy wasn't making ok money, looking at divorce rates that are usually done by women, fear of …
/r/PurplePillDebate28/10/25 08:51 AM
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But somehow redpillers and blackpillers think women only go for the top x% of men I think that is more of a blackpill belief although redpill does tend to exaggerate a lot still. One of the most common examples of what you are talking about is the "top 20%" one, but you left out that they believe 80% of women are like this, not all....... at least they are using stats but some old dating app stats aren't universal truth (although online dating is pretty common these days). It also acknowledges t…
/r/PurplePillDebate28/10/25 08:35 AM
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Physically men's prime is around there as well but many women look at other things like money or maturity..... depends what prioritizes. Either way, shoot your shot fellaz!
/r/PurplePillDebate27/10/25 12:26 PM
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Or they are just going somewhere where they are more of a catch, it's the same reason people retire to countries like them...... why wouldn't you want to live like a rich person if given the option?
/r/PurplePillDebate19/10/25 03:39 PM
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I see nothing but truth here. went on tiktok this year after an injury left me with a lot of free time and besides wondering how much of these people actually have autism (so many people claim and excuse behaviors because of it on there) there is a huge difference in how it actually seems to effect them socially (beyond what's going on in their head)
/r/PurplePillDebate19/10/25 01:40 PM
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Lol talk about strawmen. What would monks have to do with this, if we are talking about choice we are talking about rolling the dice vs MGTOW due to women being not worth the risk, these are the choices for the average guy when it comes to dating. You want to pretend that just because they have a choice at all that it's the same...... but where else would you have this kind of mindset? It would be like comparing a person choosing between low paying/hard work jobs and someone that can choose what…
/r/PurplePillDebate15/10/25 08:05 PM
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But according to women the MGTOW guys are in the wrong...... so what in your opinion is the correct choice for the average guy, roll the dice on the rare woman they are able to attract or a life of celibacy? Which would you choose in their shoes?
/r/PurplePillDebate15/10/25 07:24 PM
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Most men have the choice between taking what they can get vs celibacy...... doesn't seem to be the same
/r/PurplePillDebate14/10/25 09:40 PM
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When I was a teen I was hanging out with a "sure thing" that my friend set up. His GF mentions that I was a virgin and the "sure thing" goes on a small rant about sleeping with a virgin once and it being horrible, then literally tells me that I'm never getting into her pants.
/r/PurplePillDebate08/10/25 10:10 AM
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Yeah it does sound pretty interesting curious how this will work as well. Doesn't sound like a bad plan, I will have to pay more attention.
/r/PurplePillDebate30/09/25 09:15 PM
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Agreed, not going to pat any governments on the back for acting in their own self interest though
/r/PurplePillDebate30/09/25 08:59 PM
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That just sounds like a way to protect the birthrate somewhat, letting you create kids before you go off to get killed is not done for your benefit, but I suppose I'm glad they get to live a little before having to go fight (not against fighting Russia btw, just the framing of this)
/r/PurplePillDebate30/09/25 08:42 PM
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Even how you put it sounds like a horrible time to me. I prefer reddit and women from dating apps that I know aren't marriage material but they were the only ones to swipe back
/r/PurplePillDebate29/09/25 01:55 AM
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The issue is that it's so far helping an issue that is currently happening. Figuring out a better way to split up assets would be the cure, not trying to stop people from protecting themselves from gold diggers trying to take their money
/r/PurplePillDebate28/09/25 05:09 PM
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I see the potential problems something like this can cause, but so far all the stories I have heard about it wouldn't make sense to feel bad for the woman, it would be like feeling bad for someone getting scammed while they were trying to scam someone else, karma is a bitch.
/r/PurplePillDebate28/09/25 05:00 PM
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Depends what you mean by "care", a lot of women definitely will be less sexually interested in you if they know you are a virgin and understandably they would prefer casual sex with someone that knows what they are doing. Anecdotal experience time! I Remember when i was a teen my friend was hooking me up with a sure thing. We were all at a county fair and at one point she was cutting off some hanging fabric from her pants while we were all talking and my friends GF let slip that I was a virgin, …
/r/PurplePillDebate28/09/25 07:10 AM
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That sounds a lot better than the reverse, sign me up!
/r/PurplePillDebate27/09/25 07:21 AM
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It's not intersexual competition, they just dislike these things, men give women crap for similar things. Makes sense it might be even more when it's a man. Still rookie numbers to the competition and bad advice a women like to give each other, hell do anything that men would like and you get called a "pick me", at least to be a "simp" you have to be doing something that takes away from yourself in some way (usually by giving women money), hard to respect someone that apparently doesn't respect …
/r/PurplePillDebate26/09/25 09:33 PM
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Ummmm ok, some men also ignore the consent part....... it being technically possible doesn't change the fact that it's vastly different from women like was said. You are comparing choosing not to sleep with someone you aren't committed to (at least for the moment)/being picky with who you sleep with vs it literally being against the law...... and even where it's legal , I don't know about you but the other person probably not enjoying the sex is probably gonna kill the mood for me. Then there ar…
/r/PurplePillDebate21/09/25 01:10 PM
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Laws, money and morals generally are
/r/PurplePillDebate21/09/25 09:19 AM
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Disagree, glossing over the fact that prostitution is generally seen as even less self respect/moral than sleeping around since when is a negative aspect redeemed by the fact she has more money? Not a usual outlook men have. She brings more money though so technically she might be more "valuable" but not to most men
/r/PurplePillDebate20/09/25 05:29 AM
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Women want sex and complain about dating men all the time as well, what's with only looking at men? If you like sex and dislike dating men that seems like a pretty good reason. But I'm not trying to convince women that casual sex is better lol. As for the dates thing? Yes plenty of men dislike having to go on dates, plenty of women as well, it's usually something that is done to find someone you like, not something you do because you necessarily like it (although obviously if you like the person…
/r/PurplePillDebate17/09/25 05:16 PM
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So you believe it's something that only happens to attractive women? That's nuts
/r/PurplePillDebate15/09/25 09:06 PM
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Some, but would assume it would be more true for them than attractive women for obvious reasons and my personal experience, except the nerd part, doesn't seem to be a negative factor against women
/r/PurplePillDebate15/09/25 08:10 PM
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Plenty of women making videos about not being able to find a boyfriend.
/r/PurplePillDebate15/09/25 08:01 PM
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Friends with benefits you also hang out and are friends. Fuck buddy is supposed to be just sex. These women can still have sex with men they are attracted to, just not the hottest. Now getting relationships with people they are attracted to may be a different story
/r/PurplePillDebate15/09/25 04:35 AM
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I dunno man I don't think it's that simple. FWB's serve a similar purpose as a relationship and lonely people will often choose it over being single. maybe if we only count getting FWB's that are attractive. Personally I've had a decent amount of FWB's without being attractive but I'm a chubby chaser and they were all decently overweight and some I didn't even find attractive. A fuck buddy is more strictly sexual..... never had 1 though
/r/PurplePillDebate15/09/25 04:14 AM
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Plenty of tiktok videos of women showing otherwise
/r/PurplePillDebate08/09/25 11:45 PM
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None of what you just said even argues against my claim....... never claimed most men would like this, just more than women that want to be the breadwinner. More men wanting to be stay at home would be good for those looking for that but bad for the dating scene as a whole.
/r/PurplePillDebate08/09/25 11:38 PM
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I mean good at getting women, not a decent person.
/r/PurplePillDebate07/09/25 07:40 AM
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Only if you ignore the 2nd part, now if you have some stats that men that are actually halfway decent with women are dropping out that would be a different story.
/r/PurplePillDebate07/09/25 02:51 AM
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A lot of men that listen to RP material only regurgitate it and when challenged by women, they can't articulate critical thought and rebuttal. Some of the women dating coaches have started giving women counters to RP. You can say that about pretty much any group, "a lot" doesn't really mean anything in this context, people regurgitate other people's words all the time. Raising awareness will help more men "level up" than it will make any man that would actually be considered "competition" drop o…
/r/PurplePillDebate07/09/25 12:40 AM
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So he’s just mad he cant pull off hookups. So why pretend its about “making me wait while other guys didnt”? No whether or not he can generally pull off hookups wouldn't change the fact that the guy is going to think negatively if she is willing to sleep with other guys early but not him. Seriously do you think women wouldn't care if the roles were reversed or do you think it's different for some reason?
/r/PurplePillDebate05/09/25 07:43 PM
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And you know this how? Are you just saying that because he doesn't like how from his POV she is less attracted to him than those other men that did just want a hookup? Or do you think he is just lying or lying to himself? And don't you think a woman would have a similar issue if the roles were reversed?
/r/PurplePillDebate05/09/25 07:18 PM
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This sub in general tends to over generalize, although tends to be more true in different areas so could also be a bias issue (at least I know my vision is skewed due to where I live)
/r/PurplePillDebate05/09/25 07:12 PM
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I used to sleep with men early, and that got me fuckboys. So I stopped. 😂 Damned if you do damned if you don't I guess. Not really, don't think anyone said that a woman should sleep with men early on, just that men will feel negatively about it if you are willing to sleep with other men, but not them. In this case sounds like it was an attitude change that wasn't just you having a different standard for your now boyfriend (although some men will still have a problem with this it's fundamentally …
/r/PurplePillDebate05/09/25 07:08 PM
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Honestly that sounds about right, I also hear the 3 date rule from tv. Hard for me to generally say since I live in a somewhat ghetto area and things tend to move faster here (also have used dating sites which things seem to move even faster). I feel like it also depends on the woman, if you know they tend to not sleep with men early you aren't going to see it as a red flag when she doesn't sleep with you early on.
/r/PurplePillDebate05/09/25 06:51 PM
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Why would he ask for a hookup if that's not what he wanted? He wanted a relationship with a woman attracted to him, seems understandable to be upset when you fail. (Not entitled to anything, but human to be upset you can't get what you desire) Man this is just like our conversation from a week ago where for some reason you had a problem with men wanting FWB relationships, not even them complaining that they can't get them, you just disliked them getting into them because you thought it was unfai…
/r/PurplePillDebate05/09/25 06:33 PM
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Unless it's for religious reasons men generally want to sleep with a woman they want a relationship from early on and i guarantee that women would be pretty concerned if the guy they were dating didn't want to sleep with them but was fine with sleeping with other girls before (sure he might turn it around by saying something like it being "special", but if he's just not interested in sleeping with her yet she would 100% be thinking something negative)
/r/PurplePillDebate05/09/25 05:51 PM
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Why wouldn't someone dislike that they have to do more than others for the same kind of treatment? Like seriously is it that hard to imagine that someone is going to dislike that coming from someone that you are dating, to men it simply means you don't like us as much as the other guys. And yes there are certainly things about dating that men dislike, such as spending $$$
/r/PurplePillDebate05/09/25 05:01 PM
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Most of the women I have dated were at least a little bi, have a preference for straight due to personal experiences, but not a big deal. Personally I think that women dislike it because they see it as one of the least masculine things a guy can do due to how society views bi men..... also they worry they might just be gay (which I understand if you thought he was straight and you just find out he was doing things with guys, but not sure what benefit men who are gay would have in pretending to b…
/r/PurplePillDebate05/09/25 04:54 PM
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He doesn't know what he is talking about. RP is just a set of beliefs of how men and women behave when it comes to dating each other, there is no reason you can't come at that from a pro women's perspective..... it's literally called the red pill because it's supposed to be something that most men aren't going to like to begin with, not sure why the other person believes that you can't come at that from a pro women perspective but would assume it's just their bias
/r/PurplePillDebate05/09/25 03:48 PM
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Correcting a fundamental misunderstanding of what the red pill is not just "nitpicking" lol. It's a belief of how the dating world is and generally not great for the man (hence why it's called red pill to begin with). So a red pill woman would not be "favoring men's priorities".
/r/PurplePillDebate05/09/25 02:02 PM
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It doesn't "still favors men's priorities", just more gender role focused, in general it's supposed to help men navigate through women's priorities if anything.
/r/PurplePillDebate05/09/25 01:23 PM
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Some people say things like that but here it also turns into a discussion about men not being good enough (don't know about Natalism), you are just focusing on the ones against women. My point is that it’s both genders. Same here, but you don't sound like it when you say "always women"
/r/PurplePillDebate04/09/25 03:12 AM
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Most of this doesn't even fit the definition of exploiting since it's not unfairly taking advantage of those women. I know exploiting sounds better for your point, but just inaccurate The only one that may fit would be revenge porn but that's what people do after break-ups and I assure you that men don't have the market covered on bad behavior from exes lol (also don't think it would be considered exploiting since they aren't taking advantage of them for their own benefit.... they are using pers…
/r/PurplePillDebate04/09/25 01:44 AM
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Women check out men to, also watch porn to a lesser degree but also beat men with things like erotic literature (the "hear me out" group seems to be a majority of women as well, at least the weirder ones are), gross comments I guess works, but most men aren't messaging women sexual comments....... maybe porn stars, but would be similar to comments women make about male celebrities, they just don't get to say it to the celebrity they fancy "exploiting"? What do you mean?
/r/PurplePillDebate04/09/25 12:19 AM
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Cheating rates are about equal between men and women (excluding boomer and older generations), if it's just complaining about also being attracted to other women.... yeah that seems to be a thing but doubt it's gender specific
/r/PurplePillDebate03/09/25 11:58 PM
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Joke about gay sex mate
/r/PurplePillDebate03/09/25 11:57 PM
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The narrative of a declining birth rate isn't "women bad". I'm sure you have heard some people say that but I'm sure you have also heard that now that women make more money they want more from men....... my point is that you are just focusing on a minority group of people and pretending that's a common view Yeah, for some reason, it’s always the women that are nagged. could have just as easily reversed the genders and it would be just as true.
/r/PurplePillDebate03/09/25 11:53 PM
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Which is why I called it "slightly more", just looking for things to find fault with aren't you? Also what about the micro cheating men commit What about all the micro cheating women commit? They are way more into social media then men, men got them beat on OG I'm assuming though. Also again the stats still show that men cheat more it really doesn't matter what generation. It does matter if you actually care about what the stats mean and aren't just using them to try and justify sexism.
/r/PurplePillDebate02/09/25 03:10 PM
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They were probably more into the girl than the actual situation. Plenty of men out there that wouldn't even dream about pretending to be some kind of manly man. If there are literal cucks out there this really shouldn't be hard to find.
/r/PurplePillDebate02/09/25 03:37 AM
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Many do, but not all..... still willing to bet it's a higher number than women that want to be the providers
/r/PurplePillDebate02/09/25 03:20 AM
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I'm sure if women wanted to be providers there would be plenty of men willing (at least more men than there are women that want to be the breadwinner).
/r/PurplePillDebate02/09/25 02:56 AM
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It was there amongst feminist movements. You seemed to miss the point, they only care about equality when it suits them..... men making more money? Obviously women need to be paid more, women making more? Nah just shame men for simply having less money on average (just recently and only for the younger group) I don't think it's a bad thing that women who want to use men to make their lives better not date anymore..... more power to those girls.
/r/PurplePillDebate02/09/25 02:05 AM
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So many women only seem to care about equality when it suits them....... where was all this equality talk while men were making more and more educated? As soon as women start making more money than the man it starts mattering.
/r/PurplePillDebate02/09/25 01:43 AM
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Because those guys that are good with women tend to actually be in relationships/married already if that is their goal, the ones on dating apps for example are often just taking advantage of how dating apps work to have easy access to a "roster".
/r/PurplePillDebate01/09/25 02:53 PM
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I just rather not have to spend money or feel like im putting in unequal effort, the paying thing usually somewhat sticks around after the 1st dates. you start splitting, but even in a relationship always seemed to be the one paying for the more expensive meals (that she wanted to go to) while they will grab some street tacos next time.
/r/PurplePillDebate01/09/25 01:45 AM
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I'm not the one confused with how arguments work. Have fun arguing with imaginary people
/r/PurplePillDebate31/08/25 04:59 PM
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Well usually when someone Not when one of the people just creates arguments that no one even said I challenged you that you weren’t excempt from being an asshole Of course I'm not and I challenged your understanding of who even is an asshole. No you just argues against something I don't believe and pretended you were arguing against me for some reason so my only conclusion can be that you really do believe the things I stated You really have to stop jumping to conclusions, you are horrible at it
/r/PurplePillDebate31/08/25 04:24 PM
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What am I supposed to say when you just start making up shit to argue against like a crazy person talking to themself? Lmao
/r/PurplePillDebate31/08/25 03:45 PM
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You probably think the world is flat. You probably think that mayonnaise is spicy. Maybe you shouldn't argue against strawmen
/r/PurplePillDebate31/08/25 03:31 PM
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That's literally what the Red Pill is supposed to be, just about navigating the dating scene, not complaining about it.
/r/PurplePillDebate30/08/25 09:54 PM
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Nixe strawman they complain about them complaining about men as a whole because of the small percentage of men they choose to date.
/r/PurplePillDebate30/08/25 09:51 PM
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Most of the comments here are not doing anything you mentioned, just them trying to explain to you that just because a guy doesn't want to be friends anymore (due to it hurting too much), doesn't mean he did anything wrong or that the friendship wasn't real. Seriously the worst comment I have seen on here was merely mentioning that sometimes women will use a man's feelings to get stuff from them. Which happens, there is some argument about how true of friendship that is but in my opinion I have …
/r/PurplePillDebate29/08/25 10:18 PM
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Didn't he wait until the guy was in a wrestling match with someone else and attacked him? Bruh if it was just an emotion heat of the moment thing where he called you a bitch too many times you start swinging but this is simultaneously little bitch and little kid behavior. (And let's all remember the victim was a wrestler supposedly just doing normal "heel" type of behavior that is very common in sports like this, especially wrestling)
/r/PurplePillDebate29/08/25 09:28 PM
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Unless you are suggesting that there can't be a situation where 1 friend wishes they could be more than just friends with another friend that doesn't i don't know how you can say it doesn't exist. This always seemed so weird to me, it's not that complicated or rare, why do people continue to pretend this shit doesn't happen?
/r/PurplePillDebate29/08/25 08:38 PM
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Right, thats pretty good with someone youre CLOSE to. Well as long as you are close enough to believe you would have a nice time on vacation with them, just like with regular friends. Although the inclusion of sex definitely would be a net positive in the having fun department It is his fault. You want something close, you get a relationship. Its that simple. Most people dont want a situiationship, especially when people get older. Why wouldn't it be her fault for agreeing to something she didn'…
/r/PurplePillDebate29/08/25 01:05 PM
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Because I’ve read multiple posts by this dude. You think this post exists in a vacuum? No, but I don't usually "stalk" peoples comments or assume others have..... especially when you say something like he "implied it", what you described isn't "implying" anything, if you are going by previous comments fair enough, but had to call BS on the "implying" accusation As for his “pain,” figure it the fuck out like everyone else, or, rub one out. Talking about it is generally one of the best ways to "fi…
/r/PurplePillDebate29/08/25 01:21 AM
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I feel like you are just making up assumptions, how would someone go about talking about this particular pain without "implying women need to fuck him" in your opinion?
/r/PurplePillDebate29/08/25 01:08 AM
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Literally went out of their way to not disavow that kind of thinking but why let something like that stop your strawman building lol
/r/PurplePillDebate29/08/25 12:55 AM
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As long as it's not too much more than the average man it's not
/r/PurplePillDebate29/08/25 12:50 AM
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I'll answer to both here To most, FWB is just a quicker more censored way of saying fuck buddy. Maybe to most people who aren't actually living the life, you are kind of glossing over the issue of a lack of actually communicating what it is that they want when even in your example the person is using the 2 terms interchangeably. If someone gets into a FWB relationship and then are surprised that there tends to be also friendship involved it sounds more like they are the ones to blame for the con…
/r/PurplePillDebate28/08/25 04:47 PM
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Generally true but it depends on what they agree to, even in your examples you are talking about a FWB kind of relationship..... if your female friend was asking similar things of you (without the sex) would you turn to them and say "I'm not your girlfriend"? Why should the inclusion of sex make you think someone should expect less in other areas? (Going on vacation with a FWB sounds like a great time to me) Now if they are just supposed to be "fuck buddies" you are correct. A lot of guys just d…
/r/PurplePillDebate27/08/25 09:04 PM
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Fair, kind of the best we got if we are trying to be unbiased about something we couldn't know otherwise though. The data at least makes sense to me and goes along more or less with what I would expect (except would have assumed there being more women than before cheating which I don't think the data showed IIRC, and honestly just expected the numbers for both to be higher, but may be due to my anecdotal evidence bias)
/r/PurplePillDebate27/08/25 08:46 PM
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It's more of men cheating less than before (which i doubt social media would lessen it), but I wouldn't be surprised if there wasn't some women cheating more than before involved...... but no the real difference is that men are just better than before on this metric (and many others), as much as women like to complain about how men are becoming we just seem to be better in general based on what they said they want (like you can argue men are less masculine, but women kind of been asking for it a…
/r/PurplePillDebate27/08/25 08:31 PM
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https://ifstudies.org/blog/who-cheats-more-the-demographics-of-cheating-in-america "Among ever-married adults ages 18 to 29, women are slightly more likely than men to be guilty of infidelity (11% vs. 10%)." Until the age of 50 it's about even and data suggests that it's not really that men cheat more as they age, you are just comparing different generations of men "Trend data going back to the 1990s suggests that men have always been more likely than women to cheat. Even so, older men were no m…
/r/PurplePillDebate27/08/25 07:18 PM
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Update your statistics you are working with outdated information...... Men of the past use to cheat more but in present day it's about even for ages below senior citizen age, with the 18-30 age group having women cheat slightly more You will have to find another excuse for your "logic" of why women deserve things from men but not vice versa misandry
/r/PurplePillDebate27/08/25 06:42 PM
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I meant horrible for this purpose, same sex divorce rates being similar to heterosexual could obviously be due to (as plenty of other studies show) gay males tending to divorce at lower rates and lesbians at higher rates
/r/PurplePillDebate27/08/25 09:10 AM
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Horrible study since it doesn't differentiate male and female couples "In the UK, data reveals that lesbian couples are 2.5 times more likely to divorce than gay male couples, as per The Smart Divorce. While specific U.S. statistics are limited, similar trends are observed. In U.S. NIH‑supported research, 12.3 % of lesbian couples divorced, versus 2 % of gay male and 8.3 % of heterosexual couples." This isn't a US thing, as far as I have seen it's just generally true in western countries (didn't…
/r/PurplePillDebate27/08/25 08:51 AM
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Being jealous of/angry at women going for the best men is not a basic tenet of RP. That was a strawman
/r/PurplePillDebate15/08/25 02:07 PM
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Hey as long as you are cool with people strawmanning you because of the blue pill label I suppose.... glad I have purple lol You're misunderstanding what "the best" means. It doesn't mean everyone deserves the hottest partner. I didn't assume "best" was only about physical attraction..... just an overall thing including someone who is nice to you. Yes basically just an empty platitude without much meaning
/r/PurplePillDebate15/08/25 01:47 PM
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"Pointed out the hypocrisy of the specific commenter".... he didn't say anything hypocritical, you just building a strawman, not sure if it fits him or not. Everyone deserves the best. This is BS that either is just false or an empty platitude at best..... so strange in a conversation about people dating out if their league to also have the contradicting mindset of "everyone deserves the best", unless it's an empty platitude devoid of any actual meaning I'm not sure how often this is actually ha…
/r/PurplePillDebate15/08/25 01:39 PM
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the fact that the entirety of redpill revolves around being pissed at women for doing the same thing, The red pill (which I find a lot of truth in, but just exaggerated like crazy) just tries to "explain the situation" and help navigate it. Plenty of the watchers are indeed jealous..... but if you think Red pillers are the only ones jealous that they can't get laid then I think you either don't know men or just have a focused hate boner at RP In reality, women do not go for men way above their l…
/r/PurplePillDebate15/08/25 01:16 PM
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I have a hard time believing you are holding women/yourself to this same standard
/r/PurplePillDebate15/08/25 12:00 AM
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Only if they are doxxing innocent people themselves. Why do you have a problem with people having a taste of their own medicine? Do you just not care about the app doxxing men because they are men?
/r/PurplePillDebate02/08/25 08:28 PM
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Exactly. The only people that are upset about this only seem to be upset due to the genders involved..... if you just hear about a bunch of people spreading personal info getting their own personal info leaked that just sounds like Karma
/r/PurplePillDebate02/08/25 04:43 PM
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It's a "taste of your own medicine" post. If the genders were removed this wouldn't even be controversial, we would all just be laughing together
/r/PurplePillDebate02/08/25 02:03 PM
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Wait did you just imply that the reason you aren't fucking every Joe on the street is because you are worried about what people will think of you? Lol comical. I feel like a lot of women will take offense to this being assumed about them.
/r/PurplePillDebate01/08/25 12:31 AM
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He said they enter the sexual market at that age, not that they necessarily should settle down at that age. Although you can sort of see where he may think that by calling it their "prime", I would argue it wouldn't end at age 20
/r/PurplePillDebate19/07/25 01:12 AM
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Going to have to disagree, especially at a younger age just knowing you are going to be inside a woman soon is enough to get hard. There's also the option of drinking until you find them attractive. Personally have done both these ways
/r/PurplePillDebate16/07/25 09:28 AM
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Definitely a bias view, women cheat as much as men these days statistically as long as we don't include senior citizens (men and women from a way different time)
/r/PurplePillDebate26/06/25 11:58 PM
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They generally have a "why", it just differs from your reason. If you are only talking about those that have 0 idea sure, if they just differ from your reason than no
/r/PurplePillDebate18/06/25 05:42 PM
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But the problem is that you are using your own beliefs as a sort of test, we have actual tests for intelligence, while not perfect they are certainly better than the "agreeing with meanie lady mod" test
/r/PurplePillDebate18/06/25 05:31 PM
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About as likely as you not being as intelligent as you believe 🤷‍♂️ Not agreeing with how you personally view things is a horrible way to judge intelligence
/r/PurplePillDebate18/06/25 05:23 PM
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They don't need to come to the same conclusions as you to be considered "genuinely smart", placing way too much importance on what you personally believe to be true.... luckily we have tests and stuff for this kind of thing. People can also be better in some areas and bad in others, still would be considered intelligent.
/r/PurplePillDebate18/06/25 04:39 PM
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If they would score high on an IQ test I think someone is considered intelligent regardless of whatever personal metrics you prefer to use.
/r/PurplePillDebate18/06/25 04:17 PM
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Wtf does the risks to sex for women have to do with what I said I'm really curious to what you think I said sex is to women lol, go ahead and tell me what I said it was to women, I'll be waiting
/r/PurplePillDebate15/06/25 12:11 AM
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Like I said you aren't really wrong..... just a rich person telling poor people that money isn't everything
/r/PurplePillDebate14/06/25 02:29 PM
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It's often seen as far more than just sex for men though, it's a sign of their perceived worth to the opposite sex and partly other men as well, good looking people are just simply usually seen in a better light and treated better than uhly people...... as a society we don't seem to have this attitude when women are suffering with self esteem issues, hell we create whole movements like the body positivity movement. Feeling disgusting to the sex you are attracted to is not a great feeling and has…
/r/PurplePillDebate14/06/25 01:18 PM
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So just decided to ignore the part where I said if we exclude the being too poor for essentials part?
/r/PurplePillDebate14/06/25 01:05 PM
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You aren't necessarily wrong, but you are essentially a rich person telling poor people that there are far more important things than money (as long as we exclude being too poor for essentials)
/r/PurplePillDebate14/06/25 12:57 PM
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But men quite often blame these men (like calling them simps), seems to be consistent at least. I definitely tend to be in the category where my sympathy is a lot less if someone knowingly gets into a bad situation. Although I don't agree with your premise of prudish women being the most pumped and dumped to begin with however.
/r/PurplePillDebate12/06/25 10:08 PM
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Argued against something similar to this in my personal life..... except it was people thinking that you can't expect monogamy with a FWB even if that was the agreed upon boundaries of the "relationship". It doesn't make it ok to do things you know are wrong just because you don't like the kind of relationship that you agreed upon being in, it's really that simple
/r/PurplePillDebate09/06/25 06:27 AM
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How does any of what you said make the person's comment i was replying to (rothy) less of an irrelevant strawman? Didn't even say the same stuff except saying don't date women lol. Who said that they do? It's not only possible to not like random men approaching you everywhere while still wanting men to have the expectation of initiating dating (from men they actually like) it's the general way it is. Strawman Yes, still something that is usually expected of men in a similar fashion to men approa…
/r/PurplePillDebate02/06/25 03:23 AM
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Does this somehow make what he said not true? Seems like an irrelevant strawman
/r/PurplePillDebate01/06/25 04:49 PM
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I'll copy and paste my reply to OP having a similar brain dead take. "What are you talking about? I said I wouldn't need a virgin, is it wrong to have literally any preference if it is close to traditional? I may not be a traditional man but even I share some traits that would be considered traditional And if it's about me not being chaste myself, the difference in cheating rates between modern men and traditional are huge, being chaste would make me very not traditional...... if anything you co…
/r/PurplePillDebate01/06/25 02:40 PM
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What are you talking about? I said I wouldn't need a virgin, is it wrong to have literally any preference if it is close to traditional? I may not be a traditional man but even I share some traits that would be considered traditional And if it's about me not being chaste myself, the difference in cheating rates between modern men and traditional are huge, being chaste would make me very not traditional...... if anything you could argue the fact that I don't cheat would make me less traditional, …
/r/PurplePillDebate01/06/25 06:15 AM
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Virgin? Nah, but no reason to settle for the town bicycle if I don't have to. Women and men like different things and tend to have different sex drives, no reason I should base my choice by my chaste level if women supposedly think that kind of thing shouldn't matter.
/r/PurplePillDebate01/06/25 05:39 AM
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No problem with women that don't want to do the stereotypical gender role, I just have issue with the ones that will still expect It from men. Man or woman I ain't doing the family thing or fully supporting another grown ass adult
/r/PurplePillDebate01/06/25 05:17 AM
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So does this mean women should be held to all of the old gender roles of the past as well? Because if the man is paying then yes the woman should let men be the head of the household and should be doing the chores and stuff like that without any complaining, might want to change your flair to red pill if you believe this is how relationships should work though...... unless you are just trying to hold men to gender roles but not the women of course Most women don’t want to date or be in a relatio…
/r/PurplePillDebate31/05/25 07:15 PM
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Wait if people should only go out on dates with someone that is seen as a high probability for a long term relationship/marriage why should women be incentivized with free food and drinks? You seem to either be saying whatever argument supports what you want regardless if it's contradictory or just really going in more with the double standard where the burden is on men and women getting the rewards from their burden. And yes the ratio is higher because men want sex more and they have to be more…
/r/PurplePillDebate31/05/25 05:52 PM
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How much are you supposed to value someone on a first date? How much do you value every guy you have ever been on a date with? A guy spending money on a woman is a horrible way to Judge how much they value a woman anyways, strippers, hookers, OF models, women streaming in skimpy outfits in general has clearly shown plenty of average men willing to spend $$$ simply because they are horny. And dating "one" woman at a time only works with multiple dates, otherwise they are still going to be spendin…
/r/PurplePillDebate31/05/25 05:09 PM
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Was pleasantly surprised until for some reason dating being an exception (love that being frugal is a plus instead of spending more money than you have trying to look wealthy though) Yes we often see in nature male animals being extra in an attempt to "mate", although "because animals do it" has never been a good excuse to why we should continue to do something (can explain why there is a want, but not a reason why we should let our instincts overshadow our logic)
/r/PurplePillDebate31/05/25 03:49 PM
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That's fair but I wasn't asking why people want others similar to themselves, but against a blanket and common disapproval of men not shelling out a decent amount of $$$ on a first date like it shows a lack of character or something..... if it's a reciprocal thing that's understandable, otherwise it's just entitled behavior that wants to paint those not giving them special treatment as the problem and wrong
/r/PurplePillDebate31/05/25 03:43 PM
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Why is "cheap" seen as such a bad thing? People waste too much money on stuff like eating out and then complain that life is too expensive to live, being good with your money should be seen as a positive quality not a negative one
/r/PurplePillDebate31/05/25 02:59 PM
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Oh I agree that many don't care and just lump any pushback against their misandry as misogyny and aren't the most intelligent..... but even with specifically those women it still loops around to them not wanting to listen to anything that goes against them shitting on men which is malice in itself even if they did enough mental gymnastics to tune out the pushback
/r/PurplePillDebate22/05/25 03:33 PM
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No one is 100% honest, especially when it comes to what you "think" you would do or accept from a situation. I call bull, if it was their first time doing it and never seen the comment sections when others said it I would agree with you..... but let's be honest here they continually say it because they still want that sympathy and it sounds a lot better than admitting that they just want to complain that they can't get the men they find attractive to treat them better or do what they want Edit: …
/r/PurplePillDebate22/05/25 03:07 PM
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Men are probably a little more upfront about it though Lol "probably"? It's just so disingenuous to only focus on the low requirements when there is a high bar to meet before you even reach that part, pretty plain and simple. "Just meet the basic requirements" vs "I wish attractive (probably out of my league) men treated me better" are 2 very different things.
/r/PurplePillDebate22/05/25 02:49 PM
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Sounds like a minority of people and the amount of things put on women's "ick list" has shown that it would be ridiculous to listen to what a minority of women find icky, never could please them all. Your insistence that they should find arguably worse behavior attractive just because they also have bad behavior isn't logical
/r/PurplePillDebate16/05/25 09:52 PM
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It can definitely still be a values thing, a bit hypocritical of 1 but that doesn't really stop it from being a thing. This is like saying that you can't be attracted to people who are nicer than you or do more charity work (attracted to the fact they do/are those things I mean)
/r/PurplePillDebate16/05/25 03:38 PM
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What are you talking about? I'm not the one trying to only blame one sex for unprotected sex here lmao And women know men ejaculate through stimulation, again unless you are suggesting that unwanted pregnancies are usually due to men ejaculating in women against their will (aware it happens and so does the reverse, but these are exceptions, not the general) than they are both to blame there..... God you want so badly to absolve women of responsibility of getting pregnant which is some crazy stuf…
/r/PurplePillDebate16/05/25 03:21 PM
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Sperm is a natural biological response of stimulation, if they are doing the deed unprotectedly they are both to blame..... this is as ridiculous as trying to blame the woman for being in her fertile window
/r/PurplePillDebate16/05/25 02:37 PM
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Again.... they both do. Both are capable of saying no or pushing the other off, unless you are saying women tend to be saying no and trying to push men off but are unable to then you are just trying to pretend women aren't as responsible for unprotected sex as men are.
/r/PurplePillDebate16/05/25 02:26 PM
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It's a choice to have unprotected sex either way and definitely sounds like you are underestimating how often the woman is a willing participant in him ejaculating inside..... hell if we are going that route I know for sure that it also happens the other way where a woman will intentionally not listen to a man and will continue going even when he is saying to stop because he is about to cum (sure you could chuck the girl off of you though lol)
/r/PurplePillDebate16/05/25 01:25 PM
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Well good luck with that, if he decides to raise the child like you believe then mission successful I guess. I'm not here trying to argue for double standards, that would be the people against me.
/r/PurplePillDebate16/05/25 04:45 AM
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Did i say they cant? I said they can't get an abortion. What is stopping you from doing the same thing men can do? Would still have the choice for adoption so plan may not work.
/r/PurplePillDebate16/05/25 04:43 AM
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Closest to that you would be able to do would be a game of chicken for who supports the kid with the state taking them if it goes too far. Similar to men, you wouldn't just be able to make someone raise the child if they don't want to.
/r/PurplePillDebate16/05/25 04:09 AM
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Well you can select the biological father, but seeing as adoption exists I don't see you being able to pick who raises them...... hey at least they can't just abort your kid to stop your plan
/r/PurplePillDebate16/05/25 04:05 AM
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I agree they should, I just dislike how this isn't "appropriate" to say to women. Like in anti abortion areas women like to ignore how they are usually just in that situation due to the same choices that you are chastising men for making
/r/PurplePillDebate16/05/25 03:52 AM
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Either that or give them up for adoption.... never even have to tell the man if you don't want to
/r/PurplePillDebate16/05/25 03:47 AM
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Knowing the law and social expectations doesn't magically make it not "forced", that's simply not how that word works.... if someone is made to do something against their will it's considered "forced", pretty simple dictionary shit here
/r/PurplePillDebate16/05/25 03:22 AM
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Having the kid would be the unwanted part in this scenario but making someone pay is "forcing" them to, not just "unwanted". Not how words work. if she wants the baby Well at least by this logic I'm hoping that you don't see women in places where it's illegal to get abortions as being "forced" to have a kid.... because at least in this way they aren't actually forcing them to do anything, just not letting them do something (abort).
/r/PurplePillDebate16/05/25 03:11 AM
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I agree that's what the men should do due to our laws, but that isn't an argument for why the law isn't sexist and should exist Why do we cry about women's choice but chastise men for making the same mistake?
/r/PurplePillDebate16/05/25 03:02 AM
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How does that argue against birth control not solely being a man's responsibility? Wouldn't happen without the woman's vagina
/r/PurplePillDebate16/05/25 03:00 AM
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Birth control are both responsibility, these same arguments can be levied against women
/r/PurplePillDebate16/05/25 02:55 AM
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You mean all bodily risk then, not all risk in general (biology isn't fair) Only 1 can make the decision to have the child or not. The woman chooses that situation if she keeps it, doesn't just happen to her. I mean that biologically speaking the man wouldn't have any consequences that he didn't choose himself (being a part of the kids life) or being forced upon him (financial support). Well except the possible trauma in case the woman wants the abortion but the man doesn’t, but biology isn't fa…
/r/PurplePillDebate16/05/25 02:53 AM
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At the very least as hard for men as it is for women
/r/PurplePillDebate16/05/25 02:44 AM
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A)obviously not all risks or this wouldn't be a discussion b) same for the woman c) what happened with biology isn't fair own up to your consequences? Get the abortion if you don't want or can't afford it, don't make it other people's responsibility to help you and your kid Women suffer consequences automatically for being pregnant How would this be an argument for forcing men to have consequences as well that they otherwise wouldn't have? What happened to biology not being fair? Does this only …
/r/PurplePillDebate16/05/25 02:36 AM
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Secondly, no. Biology’s not fair, life’s not fair. This argument also applies to not making child support mandatory..... if you choose to have unprotected sex and then chose to keep the baby why should someone else pay for it? (For those places where abortion is still legal at least....where it's not it makes sense to keep mandatory child support) Do not put yourself in a situation where you are even potentially impregnating someone you wouldn’t be ok raising a child with. If you do, you suffer …
/r/PurplePillDebate16/05/25 02:28 AM
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Well hypothetically she is getting more choice than the women with high body counts, she just isn't using her "extra options" to filter out men based on their body count
/r/PurplePillDebate15/05/25 03:39 AM
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Agreed, although a lot of women like to say it doesn't/shouldn't matter though so there should be plenty of women that don't have a problem with the men having a high body count
/r/PurplePillDebate15/05/25 03:18 AM
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Telemarketers do tend to get a special hate from people but I know I'm not rude personally if someone comes to my door or something (unless they don't take no for an answer). And yes a lot of men need thicker skin but easy for the sex that generally doesn't have to be the initiator to say.
/r/PurplePillDebate15/05/25 02:39 AM
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would still be preferable, yes..... why wouldn't/shouldn't it be?
/r/PurplePillDebate15/05/25 02:32 AM
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Which is understandable, there is a difference between asking someone something and seemingly not taking their answer until you get the one you want. (Could also include ppl asking for donations if girl scouts don't work, any door to door person as well)
/r/PurplePillDebate15/05/25 01:54 AM
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Hey if you are equally rude to some woman trying to sell you something as you are to a man asking you out I suppose that's just a personality type..... others may see it as you being the rude person though (we should put a stop to all those rude girl scouts lol)
/r/PurplePillDebate15/05/25 01:48 AM
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I don't really get why this should change what I like at all. It makes you a hypocrite to think people should accept behavior/things from you that you don't accept from others, but other than that since when did people need to do or be the thing they are attracted to?
/r/PurplePillDebate15/05/25 01:38 AM
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Pretty sure you can lol, why would them asking someone out mean they should be treated poorly? Does this apply to "bothering strangers" in all but emergency circumstances or just for some strange reason is asking out seen as somehow spefically worthy of the asshole treatment?
/r/PurplePillDebate15/05/25 01:31 AM
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They don't claim there is a universal way, but they sure as hell claim there are things you shouldn't do all the time.
/r/PurplePillDebate14/05/25 09:27 PM
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Or you could actually explain what you mean when someone literally asks because they didn't get it..... look if they didn't ask 1st (and you gave an incorrect answer) I would agree with you, but they did.
/r/PurplePillDebate14/05/25 01:24 AM
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Kind of on you for this 1, what you commented sounded a bit weird and when asked what you mean by it you said you meant what you said "word for word"..... and now talking against that person for pointing out that you either have some horrible beliefs or you don't actually mean what you said "word for word" (get what you meant, just not worded great.... they even asked what you meant 1st man)
/r/PurplePillDebate14/05/25 12:58 AM
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If it's a requirement it is. Not seriously dealing with women with this kind of mindset is wisdom imo
/r/PurplePillDebate13/05/25 02:32 PM
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The insistence on the man needing to pay makes it similar yes. Just like sex is only considered prostitution with the agreement of payment (besides porn, legally)..... do you see how this works? I don't see splitting the check as the only way to avoid this personally, not dating someone that has you paying as a requirement is good enough imo, although preferably splitting the bill. It is 100% a mischaracterization to try and claim he compared "dating" in general to prostitution even after being …
/r/PurplePillDebate13/05/25 01:33 PM
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Not any point that I argued against, some people will always see the other gender as always the problem like these women that call men "emotionally unavailable" because the guy didn't want anything more serious with them. Men doing similarly with only their personal success is equally as dumb, which is why things like stats should generally be used.
/r/PurplePillDebate13/05/25 08:36 AM
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Not seeing where they insinuated that women are always the problem. Calling someone emotionally unavailable simply for not wanting anything more than shallow with you personally is as asinine as saying a woman's standards are too high for not wanting to date you specifically
/r/PurplePillDebate13/05/25 07:36 AM
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If they split the bill it's still dating and wouldn't fit into what he said..... again, the feeling that a man has to pay to date you is what's being compared to prostitution, not dating in general, you can disagree but can we at least be honest with what is actually being said? If you feel the need to mischaracterize what he said it just shows you don't actually have an argument against what he said and are just resorting to a strawman argument
/r/PurplePillDebate13/05/25 05:53 AM
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Are you not away of people virtue signaling about not being shallow and caring about people's personality and not really caring about their looks? This isn't a very uncommon thing, people in general tend to not want to be seen as shallow
/r/PurplePillDebate13/05/25 04:53 AM
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No no no he didn't compare dating to prostitution, he compared your insistence that men have to pay to date you to prostitution..... pretty big difference there (Same difference as sex not being prostitution, but having to pay for it is)
/r/PurplePillDebate13/05/25 04:43 AM
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Got perma-banned from "rant" subreddit for making a comment like "misandry getting a pass in a thread talking against misogyny..... yup, I'm on reddit". Sadly not too uncommon, theses people want their bigotry to be the norm and accepted
/r/LeftWingMaleAdvocates12/05/25 09:33 PM
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Demure isn't generally attractive beyond the "green flag" that it shows. Similarly a Red flag like provocative clothing/pictures is visually attractive.
/r/PurplePillDebate11/05/25 09:13 AM
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Possibly, but as politics will show you that is hardly the approach people seem to choose
/r/PurplePillDebate26/03/25 09:35 PM
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Not if you have the type of friends that just say things like "his loss" "you are the prize" etc... I think posts with stats at least should help people understand the likelihood of getting their "type" I don't understand why it wouldn't unless they already knew or stubbornly just doesn't listen to anything that is counter to their view.
/r/PurplePillDebate26/03/25 09:01 PM
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While I don't necessarily disagree with your comment I think it kind of misses the delusional part of things, the combination of being able to get men temporarily but not the commitment and not knowing how many men actually fit their standards has to play some role in this, would be ridiculous to suggest it has no effect so the question becomes how much of one..... usually get the hint eventually though either way
/r/PurplePillDebate26/03/25 07:41 PM
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Probably the same place your equal criticism on the shortcomings of women in general are..... I don't understand how you of all people don't get this lol
/r/PurplePillDebate10/03/25 11:58 PM
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Those men usually suck from the few I know (also usually the type that get a lot of women unsurprisingly). It's only in your head that men generally don't hold a low view on men that do this. Its also a minority of single moms with problem kids, but that doesnt stop the stereotypes. Well then you of all people should understand it, sounds like you would fit right in as long as you just changed the genders
/r/PurplePillDebate10/03/25 11:49 PM
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Do you not realize the hypocrisy of you specifically stating this? You seem to focus entirely on the shortcomings of men even when it's a small minority of men quite often. So just think about the different reasons you focus the way you do and assume there is some overlap and different reasons why a lot of straight men focus more on the shortcomings of women than men.
/r/PurplePillDebate10/03/25 11:45 PM
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You are the one that brought up their "reasoning"...... why are you so defensive against me pointing out how absolutely stupid it is? Just say "yeah" and move on if you don't care lol
/r/PurplePillDebate10/03/25 12:15 AM
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If the information that they are given is that a few men on PPD said it (generally against what most men here say) and they change because of that they are either complete idiots or fake people just trying to blame others for their actions
/r/PurplePillDebate10/03/25 12:07 AM
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You are ignoring the important difference where you partly blamed men for women's "justification"..... that is literally the thing that I talked shit against and you are just ignoring it to fight an argument that I didn't even make
/r/PurplePillDebate10/03/25 12:02 AM
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Well the difference here would be the man is just stating what he wants while your example would be the woman trying to avoid responsibility for her "standards"..... it's not her fault that's her standards, men convinced her that she has to be like that or else men won't value her /s
/r/PurplePillDebate09/03/25 11:55 PM
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There is pretty much someone saying anything you can think of in the world, unless it's the general view it just sounds like an excuse when people cherry pick the minority viewpoint to justify their actions
/r/PurplePillDebate09/03/25 11:30 PM
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"Oh no if it isn't the consequences of my own actions" Some women really are allergic to any responsibility for their own choices
/r/PurplePillDebate08/03/25 07:38 PM
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6ft hispanic in a hispanic area (we tend to be shorter on average) , never cheated, jokester/goofball, financially stable although was a bit of a workaholic in the recent past and I'm a chubby chaser (definitely has been helpful in dating these days)
/r/PurplePillDebate07/03/25 01:21 PM
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Good point, i would nope out of dating so quickly without the promise of orgasms lmao
/r/PurplePillDebate05/03/25 07:25 PM
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True but easier to find those 30 men as a woman than finding that 1 woman as a man
/r/PurplePillDebate05/03/25 07:03 PM
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The answer is simple...... giant sex pile of all of us men
/r/PurplePillDebate05/03/25 06:35 PM
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I dunno multiple orgasms sounds pretty nice
/r/PurplePillDebate05/03/25 06:33 PM
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How dare you try and kill my dreams!
/r/PurplePillDebate05/03/25 06:33 PM
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All that just sounds like what would happen if she is uglier than himself, they aren't really desperate if they are trying for better..... at least not desperate enough to be with someone even less desirable than themselves No, it was just a bitchy way for you to disagree. Not "just", "and". In my defense you were literally describing someone below mid and I pointed that out, I just found it funny as I did it considering women overvaluing their SMV is pretty stereotypical these days, but you are…
/r/PurplePillDebate05/03/25 02:35 PM
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If they are that desperate they tend to commit though..... why wouldn't they? (Sure not guaranteed but way better probability) Ah of course. Your default defense is to call a..... blah blah blah Hey I'm just going by the data said to me and making a guess, it's not like I would know. And ew why would I want to be a "nice guy"? No thanks, just average and principled is fine with me mid guys like you who don’t have Chad options will eagerly use mid women… No I tend to date mid women, not use for s…
/r/PurplePillDebate05/03/25 04:56 AM
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Imo most definitely
/r/PurplePillDebate05/03/25 12:08 AM
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Men with no options aren't out here using women for sex.... that's something even common sense should have told you. If you never had to worry about Chad you may not be mid lol. Mid guys like me usually use below mid women, I just date other mid women. One of the things that was always crazy to me is the women that complain about men using them for sex without wanting to date them but never think to wait until a relationship to sleep with them
/r/PurplePillDebate05/03/25 12:07 AM
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Definitely not only.... but preferred
/r/PurplePillDebate05/03/25 12:02 AM
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It is you who needs to look at the numbers, below the age of 50 the cheating rate is about equal (with women being the larger one below the age of 30 I think...... you are basing this off of an outdated stereotype, congratulations feminism or something else worked and men are no longer more likely to be cheaters than women are...... although it does seem to have had the opposite effect on women.... congratulations?
/r/PurplePillDebate04/03/25 11:49 PM
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True games are a turnoff but I wouldn't say that is the same as saying effort makes you more attractive..... I suppose it makes the idea of dating them more attractive though
/r/PurplePillDebate04/03/25 11:42 PM
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I don't remember effort being seen as attractive.... must have missed the last Manly men meeting
/r/PurplePillDebate04/03/25 11:19 PM
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It most definitely is. An analogy isn't just whatever it seems like in your head, it's actually supposed to represent the situation......comparing men as if they are entirely different species (products) isn't that. And as I've already stated, none of this advice has ever been in response to anything a woman has said or done. Wtf that's just observably false, it happens all the time when women complain about this kind of thing..... less complaining equals less advice, that should just be common …
/r/PurplePillDebate04/03/25 11:12 PM
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Generally the sex worker part lol..... pretty simple stuff (Also the stuff that firstmycoffee person said)
/r/PurplePillDebate04/03/25 05:54 PM
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So you want us to change the definition of what Wholesome is just because you are horny? Wtf dude just jackoff and shut up, it's not as complicated as you are making it out to be
/r/PurplePillDebate04/03/25 05:20 PM
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"Beautiful women get used for sex by mid males ALL THE TIME" lmao and you call me a liar Why did you choose to ignore where I said anyone has the potential to do it but the probability increases when women try dating out of their league and with men with a lot of options?
/r/PurplePillDebate04/03/25 02:29 AM
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Aren't I included in that? So again like I said when you were talking about contradicting thoughts from this group unsurprisingly the main reason is because you are talking about different people with different beliefs that occasionally go against each other..... you just would rather believe it's the same men that just contradict themselves for some reason. A generalization that is the foundation of my entire OP weird that it's your foundation since you never even specifically bring it up in yo…
/r/PurplePillDebate03/03/25 08:55 AM
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Was just using it as an example to my point that you are talking about different people, unsurprisingly men aren't a monolith. Unless you are suggesting that I am somewhat unique in this issue I don't see the problem. there's no actual data that this is the biggest complaint of women Strawman? Never said it was the main, it is common though, hell I even said "such as", only wanting people that are out of your league is bound to cause all sorts of issues. Poor analogy since it's the same product …
/r/PurplePillDebate03/03/25 06:58 AM
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You didn't answer the question. Do you honestly believe these things don't increase the likelihood? Your whole comment seems to be negated by the part you cut off that says it just makes it more likely.... you are acting like I was talking in absolutes. Also ignoring the difference between having any other options at all vs a ton of options
/r/PurplePillDebate03/03/25 06:30 AM
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Men don't get to simultaneously present themselves as doing literally everything in life in pursuit of pussy (the male sex drive allegedly powers the entire world's economy); and then try to turn around and act like it's only men's "options" that make them want to "use women for sex" Sounds like you are talking about different men there, I for one am definitely not "doing literally everything in life in pursuit of pussy" Secondly, being used for sex is a massively overstated complaint and is a r…
/r/PurplePillDebate03/03/25 06:25 AM
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If you are below mid yourself most definitely (done it myself but never lied about it). Anyone has the potential to do it but the probability increases significantly when dating out of their league and/or with men that have a lot of options. Do you honestly believe these things do not increase the likelihood?
/r/PurplePillDebate03/03/25 06:08 AM
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Because women still seem to be either unaware that this is part of problems such as being used for sex or just don't care and will still just blame men en masse. To put it another way, Quit complaining about problems you can fix your yourself if you are tired of hearing about how to fix the problem. Edit: left out the word "men"
/r/PurplePillDebate03/03/25 04:49 AM
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I have put women in the hookup material box usually due to them being very promiscuous, also if they were ugly but I needed to break a drought Don't really know the difference between girlfriend and wife material since I haven't really put anyone in the wife material box, although I was thinking of 1 of my exes possibly in this way but due to it being long distance we didn't see each other enough for me to know her well enough for that. I suppose it's just having enough good wife qualities like …
/r/PurplePillDebate28/02/25 12:04 PM
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It's been awhile since I saw a Lilith post. Those are the worst dates? Damn most of those sound pretty whatever. Yes it's probably something they are doing wrong (or just ugly)..... similar to the women complaining about their dating life, especially those that complain about men using them for their body
/r/PurplePillDebate27/02/25 11:26 AM
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Bigger factor seems to be that they put in more time..... getting paid more for working more crazy thought right? Lol
/r/PurplePillDebate27/02/25 10:08 AM
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Your source apparently doesn't like putting in links for her claim as well as she doesn’t do it for any of The extra fears that are supposed to exist for women..... except a link to an example of it happening to 1 whole woman lmao This woman loses a lot of credibility for me, during this entire blog about the pay gap I didn't see her mention the fact that men work more hours once, on a site called "doubleXeconomy". This sounds pretty biased wouldn't you agree? Not only do I doubt you did everyth…
/r/PurplePillDebate27/02/25 02:33 AM
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Where did I say anyone? Professionally you would have a point and we may disagree I suppose on over half of the adult population being able to, but we should at least be able to agree a lot more than roofers and similar jobs right? People use family as childcare all the time (hispanic families definitely). You wouldn't be socially penalized simply for acting that way with your boss, but it does tend to be a thing that is hard to turn on and off. I would agree men get penalized less for it but it…
/r/PurplePillDebate26/02/25 11:35 PM
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One of the possible reasons cited is men being more argumentative about pay. Something that can be done by most and when it is too expensive people typically find work arounds? (also can't be too expensive or else they may as well just not go to work). South Park literally had an entire episode joking about how no one can do anything anymore and people like roofers are getting rich, this doesn't sound like a "societal value" issue.
/r/PurplePillDebate26/02/25 08:28 PM
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Is this an issue with it being more "socially devalued" than those other jobs or is it perhaps that those jobs tend to be more immediately needed by individuals and this is a product of capitalism?..... the freaking victim complex I swear
/r/PurplePillDebate26/02/25 07:52 PM
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Understandable but getting attached to every girl you make a pass at sounds like a recipe for misery, the success rate for men is pretty damn low.
/r/PurplePillDebate26/02/25 07:46 PM
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There is a belief that women have basically evolved to be more golddiggerish since finding a partner with resources has been pretty important since women couldn't really do it themselves (whether it be law or something like needing to care for a baby) up until recently. Unsurprisingly in countries where women earn more they care less about money...... they still care a lot, just not as much as poorer countries
/r/PurplePillDebate26/02/25 07:41 PM
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Oh I agree it would definitely help, I was just stating that i don't think that it's even close to the main issue.
/r/PurplePillDebate25/02/25 10:13 PM
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Oh so many, height/looks/money/status would be the more mainstream ones, I mean hell apparently there is a not insignificant amount of women that won't date men if they have an android phone.... now that one is indeed more rare but just saying there is so many and they can get pretty ridiculous. What is even your point in asking this?
/r/PurplePillDebate25/02/25 10:04 PM
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I would agree with you but the differentiation has been said so often that I'm sure that most people (especially in this sub) already know all of that and are simply arguing in bad faith
/r/PurplePillDebate25/02/25 09:12 PM
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While understandable in this context, even if done incorrectly, i totally know what you mean. Possibly a sign of the RP being right about a lot of women placing a lot of importance on the status of their man and their own perceived value being tied to it
/r/PurplePillDebate25/02/25 08:00 PM
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Lol oh trust me I know, i just didnt want to have that annoying and ultimately futile argument. honestly i just skimmed those parts since they were pretty irrelevant to my point anyways (in this situation)
/r/PurplePillDebate25/02/25 07:50 PM
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Sure that kind of fantasy isn't uncommon but in reality they are far more likely to fall for the woman (even before sleeping with her), not 100% of the time of course but far more likely
/r/PurplePillDebate25/02/25 06:42 PM
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This doesn't seem to be suggesting that women should raise their shallow standards, especially the women that complain about men not being serious or just using them for their body. What you have suggested seems to be more about raising the non shallow standards and having a little self respect..... which no one is arguing against either of those 2. Even your complaints about husband #1 were all non shallow. I mean you are aware of what men are saying when they say these women need to lower thei…
/r/PurplePillDebate25/02/25 06:35 PM
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Where did I say they "must"? I stated it should be a natural occurrence if they are no longer dealing with men who will only use them for sex. That wouldn't be less sex, just less sex with men they barely know (by choice) and then feeling used. Edited reply to previous edited comment: you seem to be misunderstanding the "lower standards" part, they aren't saying lower their standards in general, just the shallow ones, hell lowering the shallow standards should make getting higher non shallow sta…
/r/PurplePillDebate25/02/25 05:16 PM
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I would disagree, for starters your premise seems like it would only be true if she is sleeping with men pretty early on in the dating part, but if you actually think about it for more than a minute then it's not really true. Choosing to date men who aren't about that "smash and pass" lifestyle should lower their body count since they will actually keep the man instead of being passed to the next "player" for his turn. Should also lower the STD chance....... unless she is sleeping around a lot (…
/r/PurplePillDebate25/02/25 05:10 PM
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So around the time you met your husband you made a conscious decision to only date men that were hotter and/or more charismatic/rich than your previous standards?
/r/PurplePillDebate25/02/25 04:58 PM
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Not really true but as a gay man I guess I wouldn't expect you to know. It's just a reaction to women constantly shitting on men as a whole and complaining about shit like men using them for their bodies while still dating these same kind of men. Seems like kind of a natural thing to say in this circumstance
/r/PurplePillDebate25/02/25 04:57 PM
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You didn't even say "some men" previously, you just said men. Seems like back pedaling but hey as long as we end on the same note I suppose it doesn't matter
/r/PurplePillDebate20/02/25 05:26 AM
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Yes but you kind of previously implied it was more of a man thing.... how else are you suppose to take "Like bruh as a woman I rly just don’t get all the really creepy weird sexual shit men do. Like just be fucking normal!!!!!"
/r/PurplePillDebate20/02/25 05:22 AM
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There is literally a company named bad dragon, dragon dildo's are slightly popular even, as for the dog dildo's I have no idea how popular but they exist...... sounds like projection with that offended comment. Not sure why you felt that I would need to make that up but yes men aren't the only weird ones, shocker Just looked up bad dragons site (I'm not familiar with sex toys, only used a vibrating one a few times in my last relationship)...... yeah they have weirder things than dragon dildo's a…
/r/PurplePillDebate20/02/25 05:15 AM
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I was not lol
/r/PurplePillDebate20/02/25 03:26 AM
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Well it's not like I was suggesting you do at school or church or all the time anywhere, or yell about it at the top of your lungs...... although...... no, Nevermind
/r/PurplePillDebate20/02/25 02:59 AM
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Hey people make money off that type of thing..... I mean I probably wouldn't, but people do
/r/PurplePillDebate20/02/25 02:53 AM
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Boooooooring :p
/r/PurplePillDebate20/02/25 02:47 AM
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First you wrap your hand around the shaft softly but hard enough to be holding it and then you go up and down until completion....... oh "come" sorry my bad I heard something else 😮
/r/PurplePillDebate20/02/25 02:35 AM
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Baby shit ain't normal that isn't a man thing. Women definitely seem more likely to fuck anything when it comes to objects, men may joke about it but women have way more experience in actually doing it..... plus I far too often see dildos of "dragons" and "dogs" to pull some kind of high ground card for women
/r/PurplePillDebate20/02/25 02:32 AM
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Your loss, mine is spectacular
/r/PurplePillDebate19/02/25 09:55 PM
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Yes that would totally be gross starts taking down notes
/r/PurplePillDebate19/02/25 08:40 PM
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That whole crew would be unbearable IRL,but Dennis would definitely be the one to avoid the most especially if you are a woman. I love how he won over the crew with that 1 iirc
/r/PurplePillDebate19/02/25 07:14 PM
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Yup. You are totally right I was thinking about that episode lmfao, totally the type of guy a lot of people started thinking of in the comments
/r/PurplePillDebate19/02/25 06:54 PM
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Pretty sure they are just using it as someone who doesn't show their emotions easily (and isn't that emotional in general), possibly the strong silent type
/r/PurplePillDebate19/02/25 05:53 PM
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I totally thought of Dennis when I read this as well. I feel like there was an episode of him with consent papers but I could totally be thinking of someone else from a different show entirely
/r/PurplePillDebate19/02/25 05:50 PM
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Not any more assumption than what you or OP were doing. Cool, I've known multiple women who sleep around and then want something serious, hell it's not even really a secret and you will often hear advice telling women to play the field while they are young and wait for marriage and all that stuff. Probably shouldn't have been dating a younger guy if she wanted something serious btw Reminds me of an internet interview I watched a where this blogger or author was talking about how hard it was to f…
/r/PurplePillDebate16/02/25 04:26 AM
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If we are specifically talking about the ones who aren't already having casual sex sure, I think you missed that part lol the next guy is still possibly going to be the 1 that didn't have a shot with her during her "hoe phase"
/r/PurplePillDebate16/02/25 04:13 AM
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Especially after breakups is when you see women who usually aren't about that life dip their toes in and when they have casual sex who do you think they usually choose? Being that guy women see as the hookup type just seems to get you a lot more access to women, even the ones who supposedly aren't like that
/r/PurplePillDebate16/02/25 04:09 AM
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I can agree to that even if I'm more likely to sink personally lol (I already know I can be immature) although I can also see myself not engaging.
/r/PurplePillDebate14/02/25 07:22 PM
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Fair enough, I can respect that logic. I didn't think you were necessarily attacking men or me, just dislike when specifically women try to say what makes a "real man" and the difference between a man and a boy was close enough to that for me apparently. (I do tend to make an exception, probably due to bias, when it's talking about masculine vs feminine things though, it makes sense to use the "real man" thing in that context)
/r/PurplePillDebate14/02/25 07:19 PM
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I can agree with realizing you don't have to kiss ass and not being at the mercy if those around you making you more mature but being "kind" in general doesn't, kids can be "kind", generally aren't but they can be lol. Yes they would give you shit but they wouldn't say you aren't a woman.... it's a weird thing that seems 99% just used against men (often attacking masculinity as well).
/r/PurplePillDebate14/02/25 07:10 PM
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Some see it as unfair and the others are pointing out something that women either like to pretend doesn't exist or downplay how common it is. The ones saying AWALT are a small minority and anyone saying all of any gender is stupid. Do they not see the hypocrisy of bitching about women going after hot assholes, but they’ll go after attractive women regardless of how shitty she clearly is? The 2 types complaining tend to be the guys that do care about personality more than looks and the other Is b…
/r/PurplePillDebate14/02/25 06:01 PM
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Lmfao not even close, you sir are ignorant to the "power" of Lilith
/r/PurplePillDebate14/02/25 05:52 PM
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Ugh stop with this difference between boy and man business especially coming from a woman lol.... no, our manhood is not determined by how we kiss the ass of women Im sure you would find it ridiculous if men were suggesting you were less of a woman because you aren't nice enough to men
/r/PurplePillDebate14/02/25 05:51 PM
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Guys like sex and hot women regardless if they are nice or an asshole, not that complicated. Even the women that aren't about that kind of life often will hook up fast under certain conditions such as after a breakup+attractive guy. There just doesn't seem to be a reason to not be the hot asshole over the nice guy who isn't hot (you dont have to be an Ahole). It gives you options, maybe that is just something women are so used to having that they don't appreciate how important it is. (I'm no inc…
/r/PurplePillDebate14/02/25 05:38 PM
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Specifically gym influencers yes but not that kind of thinking/attitude and you are forgetting they are only being relentlessly mocked because we have video evidence that it is false (they were confident enough to post it online). I mean just think about it, if it was just some woman telling you about some creep at the gym staring at her as she worked out you would have believed her right?
/r/PurplePillDebate14/02/25 05:38 AM
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I already stated they can why are you asking again? and why is it hard for you to wrap your head around how there can be creeps AND there can be women often calling men creeps due to unnecessary reasons such as unattractiveness and social awkwardness. There was even basically a trend recently of female "gym influencers" that were trying to label men as creeps for menial things such as merely glancing in their direction. Now are you still going to dodge whether or not you believe that often women…
/r/PurplePillDebate13/02/25 07:11 PM
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Wait you can't even admit it can you? And here you are trying to admonish men for doing the same lol (not that I saw anyone doing that in the comments myself, will have another look) Edit b4 reply: Yeah saying men here can't admit creeps exist seems like a false claim, even the "proof" you linked elsewhere was a guy who was not implying it like you suggested he was. So no one seems to be doing it so I don't know what your issue is, and on the unlikely chance someone comes along and does it....no…
/r/PurplePillDebate13/02/25 06:09 PM
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Can you admit women often call ugly socially awkward men creeps?
/r/PurplePillDebate13/02/25 05:32 PM
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Hahahaha wow you have blinders on, there was recently a trend of female "gym influencers" calling men creeps for simply glancing in their direction (plenty examples on the youtuber Joey swolle channel that calls out toxic gym behavior in general). Women throwing around the term unnecessarily is nothing new and honestly it's hard for me to take this conversation serious if you are going to start it off with such an outlandish thing like saying you have never seen it before Quick edit: awww admitt…
/r/PurplePillDebate13/02/25 05:05 PM
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Which is why people are saying it should be used as such and not have things like attractiveness and being socially adept being major factors.
/r/PurplePillDebate13/02/25 04:51 PM
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Pretty much
/r/PurplePillDebate13/02/25 04:39 PM
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Who hasn't? They can, we are just saying being unattractive and socially awkward doesn't make someone a creep and probably aren't great indicators. I am not sure what is so hard to understand about this, whether you agree or not there shouldn't be this confusion that seems to be going on
/r/PurplePillDebate13/02/25 04:25 PM
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Typical Lilithofbabylon strawman argument. Where are these men that think creeps don't exist? Creeps existing and women commonly using the term creep for unattractive and socially awkward men can both be true at the same time.
/r/PurplePillDebate13/02/25 02:54 PM
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Similar reasons it's usually the woman that is pushing for commitment Women shame men for this btw, common for them to say they have Peter pan syndrome
/r/PurplePillDebate12/02/25 01:26 AM
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What don't you get? the women in heterosexual relationships not only have also dated men but assumingly more, probably a lot more, same with gay men..... but lesbian relationships seem to have way more DV ( I think it was twice that of gay men IIRC), so what in the world would make you think it's probably the men if it's more than all the relationships that date men a lot more? Where else is that assumption coming from if it's not just bias against men?
/r/PurplePillDebate11/02/25 04:59 AM
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You are just assuming that a lot of people are filling in those gaps in this way. I already mentioned how many previously had male partners but that isn't a good argument for why lesbian women have it more than hetero, so how is still blaming men anything other than coming from bias.... do you have anything to suggest it must be men that's causing the spike?
/r/PurplePillDebate11/02/25 04:42 AM
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How is it not? I literally answered the question you asked and then expanded upon my answer.... where are you getting lost with this?
/r/PurplePillDebate11/02/25 03:36 AM
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If it's more than necessary it would be considered shallow...... unless we as a society have suddenly stopped thinking that focusing on material things over personal is shallow.
/r/PurplePillDebate11/02/25 03:32 AM
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Why is it stupid? Because it says something you dislike? Seriously if you have nothing that say this information is somehow faulty why is your knee jerk reaction that it's faulty? That is some insane bias As far as I remember there wasn't a distinction, many of the women previously had male partners and feminists try and use that but that seems like grasping at straws considering just how much difference there is compared to heterosexual and gay men relationships
/r/PurplePillDebate11/02/25 03:13 AM
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I mostly just have this feeling towards those weaponized stats that are purposely misleading like the wage gap
/r/PurplePillDebate11/02/25 02:44 AM
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Highest domestic violence and divorce rates? I don't think you want to go down the rabbit hole of what same sex couples can tell us about relationships because women are not going to look good on this one hahahahaha Most of your points would seem to need us to just take your word for it as you showed no evidence or even gave a good reason to believe it's true..... and the male validation thing was just dumb, I doubt much people claim lesbians dress for male attention
/r/PurplePillDebate11/02/25 01:47 AM
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Seems like most agree with not dating a broke guy even the men like I predicted (made the hypothetical him working 25 hours a week), 2 guys replying a lot crying about hypergamy
/r/PurplePillDebate10/02/25 04:59 PM
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No I was just stating there are understable exceptions like when they are young, ridiculous to expect much money when just starting out. I am totally calling bull and making my own post, hope you like it lol
/r/PurplePillDebate10/02/25 03:59 PM
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Like i just said "Not needing the top 20% isn't the same as saying to date the bottom 20%" 1st of all you are trying to compare dating to having a kid with, those things are not necessarily the same especially considering people tend to make more later in life. And are you actually going to pretend if you made a post about not wanting to date a guy with no job or a guy with some part time job with no plans to change they will be saying that you are to picky and you should date the jobless man? O…
/r/PurplePillDebate10/02/25 03:44 PM
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Yes you shouldn't be having kids you can't afford or before marriage (or at least committed in a similar way)...... I'm sure if a similar thing was said about men having kids you would be agreeing, don't know why you would be disagreeing with this. Not needing the top 20% isn't the same as saying to date the bottom 20% you know btw Edit: did you delete your previous reply?
/r/PurplePillDebate10/02/25 03:35 PM
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Doesn't seem to line up with all the stories of men abusing their power from their job/money but hey if that's what has happened in your dating life obviously you are going to care about you personally over any general truth anyways. Pretty sure mist men aren't expecting women to have fully vetted a man before even their 1st date, you only have to be as superficial as you want.... stop trying to use men as scapegoats for things you want to do for superficial reasons
/r/PurplePillDebate10/02/25 03:03 PM
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Eh made the rookie mistake of letting her and others talk me into turning a FWB into a relationship. Naive mistake as I knew it would just be a temporary thing but people kept making me feel crazy about having a monogamous FWB. Again I ask WHY DOES THIS MATTER? Didn't really imply anything (although If a woman seems to be having the same problems with everyone they are dating at a certain point she has to ask herself if maybe she is the problem instead of an entire gender), I was just calling ou…
/r/PurplePillDebate10/02/25 12:09 AM
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I was in a relationship just a couple months ago where I was the one that ended it, why are you just making up things? Where did I give advice anyways? Especially to married women? are you trying to change the subject/move the goalpost I thought men weren't giving advice and now it's that they aren't worthy of giving advice, which one is it?
/r/PurplePillDebate09/02/25 11:33 PM
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Did I say you did? You still are straight up ignoring the fact that men are giving advice though right? (Or are you going to pretend this is the 1st time it has ever happened and you just didn't see it earlier) (What does this have to do with anything?) Nah, not really planning on it unless I decide to have kids but somewhat keeping an open mind about it, although I don't feel like this kind of advice would serve me that well since i often know that the woman I'm about to date probably isn't the…
/r/PurplePillDebate09/02/25 11:15 PM
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Not exactly sure what you are referring to but I'll just take your word for it for now because I'm not really sure why I'm supposed to care either way if most men on this sub are a "no"
/r/PurplePillDebate09/02/25 10:26 PM
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It's not that he can't figure out how to (if he got you then he could eventually get another woman) just that he has less opportunity to do so so it's less worth the risk. Which still sounds somewhat bad but not being able to get a better option is why the majority of people start dating who they do (talking about in the beginning, obviously people can fall in love later)
/r/PurplePillDebate09/02/25 10:03 PM
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Thanks for this comment, Great example of how women like you and the 1 you are replying to straight up ignore the comments actually giving advice (like the ones that replied before you) and just sit there and continually say "well none of you guys are giving me advice so obviously it could never be my fault ever, must be the male gender". Like how can you still pretend this narrative is true when any of us with eyes can see advice right there, so bizarre.
/r/PurplePillDebate09/02/25 09:51 PM
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It has nothing to do with terfs, just the kind of feminists that have to blame men for everything. They weren't saying men in lesbian relationships, they were saying men these women dated in the past before their same sex relationship (marriage IIRC) Your entire convo is something I’ve literally never experienced as a feminist or a queer person. You must not be on the internet enough l, I've seen it a lot. pretty sure I even saw it on the ask feminists reddit page not that long ago and this was …
/r/PurplePillDebate09/02/25 10:09 AM
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Thank you, was going to post something similar (especially height). We don't have to wonder if women's standards would rise if all men started improving, we already know for a fact it would and has before while men seem to have to lower their standards recently
/r/PurplePillDebate07/02/25 08:09 PM
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Most men are upfront about not wanting to date sex workers, you are nitpicking that they forget to mention that when they say they don't care about women's careers
/r/PurplePillDebate07/02/25 06:57 AM
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Why do you just keep making up strawmen instead of actually arguing against what people say? It's not a double standard nor a "rule" i have (see it as a red flag though), if a guy was willing to do more for/treat his exes better than his current GF then I would see that as probable cause for concern for her as well. This just seems like common sense to me, do you just get stuck on the sexual aspect of it or is this concept alien to you in general?
/r/PurplePillDebate16/01/25 02:53 AM
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It would be the willingness not the act itself and you know it, you are just playing dumb. Otherwise you are just creating your own strawman rule
/r/PurplePillDebate16/01/25 02:21 AM
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This is a pretty dumb argument that you didn't even try with. Why wouldn't the argument be she should be willing to do it with then rather than they must do it together, that makes no sense.
/r/PurplePillDebate16/01/25 01:58 AM
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Aw my bad, honestly I was a little confused about which side you were on on that 1 but I thought it was the other
/r/PurplePillDebate31/12/24 04:12 PM
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You are making some wild assumptions based on a stereotype There have been studies that show that it is quite likely that men do suffer more from the flu than women..... although I'm sure you never bothered to look, just bought into the anti male rhetoric.... I'm shocked /s "Influenza vaccination tends to cause more local (skin) and systemic (bodywide) reactions and better antibody response in women. Testosterone may play a role, as men with the highest levels tended to have a lower antibody res…
/r/PurplePillDebate31/12/24 03:43 PM
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Yes it's relevant but it's still a minority by a large margin and 8% mat believe they can beat an elephant which is insane, but I would argue at least 8% of people are basically insane idiots in general Where is this pressure on women to be selfless martyrs? You are way behind the times there m8. Men also face a lot of pressure about what we find attractive, we have been demonized forever about our preferences and dehumanizing talk is pretty common (men are dogs, animals and technically human bu…
/r/PurplePillDebate31/12/24 03:17 PM
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True a lot of men are delusional here but we are still talking less than 20% on anything more dangerous than a large dog and only 23% on that 1. Wish we had better stats on the delusion in what women say they find attractive and what they actually go for though..... money seems to be a big one for starters how a lot if women suggest it's not important beyond what is almost necessary (need money to live and for kids) stats do show that it matters a lot to women though, waaaaay more than it matter…
/r/PurplePillDebate31/12/24 02:50 PM
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If you are looking at men past 50. It is an old statistic that is changing like I said..... but hey if we want to talk about senior citizens it's still true for now lol
/r/PurplePillDebate31/12/24 01:16 PM
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You brought up the stat, you can do it You are also trying to take more honest about what we want and applying it to more honest in general.... pretty dishonest of you stand by what I said about the stat though
/r/PurplePillDebate31/12/24 01:12 PM
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You may want to check your stats again, those stats you are stating are outdated, was true in the past but they are pretty even these days with the youngest age group of marriage having the women out cheat the men (men barelybeing above women b4 that)...... damn Lilith those straws are just not as easy to grasp as you thought are they?
/r/PurplePillDebate31/12/24 01:10 PM
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Using a statistic that doesn't show what you are suggesting in a desperate attempt does indeed lmao
/r/PurplePillDebate31/12/24 01:05 PM
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So because you can find examples of men not being honest with themselves that means they aren't more honest on average? That's not how it works, thanks for showing a great example of a woman being more emotional than logical, great job as always Lilith lol
/r/PurplePillDebate31/12/24 01:02 PM
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As long as they don't tell the dad that he is a father they have options after birth without his say as well, hell leaving a baby at a fire station is an actual thing that is protected by law
/r/PurplePillDebate28/12/24 05:39 AM
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Do you have stats for anything that you have claimed right now because it sounds like you are just assuming most of this.
/r/PurplePillDebate28/12/24 05:20 AM
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So you actually enjoy giving head and only do it when you want? Because I can't say the same for oral..... if I go by these standards I wouldn't ever go down on women but then I'm sure you guys would then talk shit about me for that
/r/PurplePillDebate26/12/24 04:45 PM
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It started off as a fwb thing and I was basically talked into it since we were already being monogamous and she kept saying "what's the difference" and I tried to explain about like feelings and the expectation of growth of the relationship and even the people around me were saying "what's the difference" and calling me weird for wanting a monogamous FWB..... and I eventually caved I know a rookie mistake and I feel dumb for making it
/r/PurplePillDebate26/12/24 03:54 PM
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You never give head just to please him or vice versa? I sure as hell give oral for reciprocal reasons and pleasing reasons instead of my own enjoyment
/r/PurplePillDebate26/12/24 03:11 PM
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You guys never have sex when one of you isn't that in the mood? Hell I did that just in my last relationship since I was with someone that wanted it more often than me (wasn't that into her tbf)
/r/PurplePillDebate26/12/24 02:52 PM
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Well to argue with obviously and hopefully find some that aren't as close minded as yourself I know from your sexist POV it's only men that should change their mind but you are just high if you are under the belief that even comparatively "women are wonderful". But go ahead and spew your anti male rhetoric where you believe men are always the problem while hypocritically complaining about them believing women are the problem r/menandfemales r/womenandmales
/r/PurplePillDebate26/12/24 02:23 PM
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Is that actually engaging? Sounds like you are just telling women to not engage..... and does this mean you are telling them to leave or stay here and not engage? What would be the end goal? A sub where men and women don't talk to each other or they only talk when they are agreeing with women?
/r/PurplePillDebate26/12/24 10:17 AM
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Not one male even though there are male Blue pillers and feminists here?(not to mention the purple and red pillers here that may have) You really just like to exaggerate to the extreme Don't you? Nothing you have said so far gives me any hope that you ever actually argued in good faith here and at best just tried to lecture, at no point did you mention trying to understand the other person's perspective. Yeah ok you are done feeding "the beast" how is any of this giving a reason to not just leav…
/r/PurplePillDebate26/12/24 09:13 AM
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Well so far you just said things that make me want to say "no shit Sherlock" so illuminating may be a stretch but fuck it I find myself with too much time on my hands currently so I may check it out.
/r/PurplePillDebate26/12/24 09:08 AM
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Ugh on this topic yes you did but whatever Words are literally a dictionary definition. You can feel whatever way you want about a situation but your feelings aren't going to change the definition of these words, all this means is that you are using the wrong words to describe what is happening and your feelings about it. Although feeling does come into play like feeling threatened but even then if it was in front of a jury or something and normal people think there was no reason to feel threate…
/r/PurplePillDebate26/12/24 09:04 AM
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Saying the whole sex of men's judgment is poor indeed is, pointing out things isn't being overly emotional. But anyways enough with this let's actually get back to the issue..... My argument is the actual definition of words like consent and coercion instead of what people FEEL like they mean..... what part do you disagree with and why?
/r/PurplePillDebate26/12/24 08:56 AM
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It most certainly was. Instead of arguing the point you just attacked men You are really going with due to my sex my judgment is too poor to have this conversation? Wow that is incredibly sexist but I wouldn't expect less from you. Still just attacking men Instead of the point...... hmmmm I wonder which gender is known for being overly emotional to the point where they can't be logical, thanks for being a stereotype
/r/PurplePillDebate26/12/24 08:48 AM
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The women here seem to do a good job of that as well, although what is your point? Just throwing out a whataboutism so you can say "men bad" instead of actually arguing the point?
/r/PurplePillDebate26/12/24 08:43 AM
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What analogy? I just said how it is. Yes it's a lot of the same arguments from men and women. You are over generalizing by stating it's all men here and ignoring the fact that the women here act the same way like you are at this moment except worse than the general sub member because you are actually stating that you are close minded and have no interest in a debate and hypocritically doing the same thing as the men you claim have no interest in what you say and just want you to disagree...... s…
/r/PurplePillDebate26/12/24 08:41 AM
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To be fair you didn't either lol. But yeah you are right, it is just being used as a way to try and make the world revolve around the woman and what she wants like they always do
/r/PurplePillDebate26/12/24 08:20 AM
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And where are you getting this definition from? I don't see it from places like Merriam webster, dictionary, Cambridge, oxford or even Wikipedia. Are you just pulling this definition out of your ass? Edit: why are you booing me I'm right..... you people can downvote all you want but that will not magically change the definition of coercion
/r/PurplePillDebate26/12/24 08:17 AM
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Yes agreed, only the brain dead and feelings over facts crowd would disagree. As someone who recently found the "you want a woman with a high sex drive until you get a woman with a high sex drive" woman by their definition I was raped or sexually assaulted but this is ridiculous and honestly minimizing how traumatic actual rape and sexual assault can be. (In my defense with the woman it was a rebound relationship and honestly after the first few times the fact that I wasn't really sexually attra…
/r/PurplePillDebate26/12/24 08:11 AM
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Yes please for the love of God if you have no interest in actually discussing/arguing thoughts that differ from yours just leave the sub. Why waste everyone's time it does no one any favors and will be better for your mental health
/r/PurplePillDebate26/12/24 08:00 AM
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How is it coercion? That is not the definition of coercion
/r/PurplePillDebate26/12/24 07:52 AM
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The definition of coercion says otherwise but maybe your reddit dictionary says it is
/r/PurplePillDebate26/12/24 07:51 AM
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Same reason people jack off Tv/movies of married couples say it's not that uncommon
/r/PurplePillDebate26/12/24 07:50 AM
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Nah we were hooking up for awhile after that but yeah it did die down soonish, probably not the best example, just the most recent. Do you honestly believe people have to know each other for awhile to feel lust for someone? This is just such a naive or a complete lack of understanding that people can be different than you. Porn wouldn't exist otherwise, lust is just a strong sexual desire which I feel for strangers quite often.... Sadly the feelings are not often returned by said strangers lol T…
/r/PurplePillDebate25/12/24 05:11 AM
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Yeah sorry for the confusion. But hey that doesn't mean I wouldn't want to marry someone decently younger than me lol
/r/PurplePillDebate24/12/24 03:07 AM
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I think I quoted out of context, think it's more likely than same age or something. I just grabbed one real quick my bad lol Edit: Checked and yeah compared to same age
/r/PurplePillDebate24/12/24 02:54 AM
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Age gap marriage statistics in general, I haven't seen any for the rest. "When a couple has a one-year age difference, they have just a 3% likelihood of divorce. A five-year age gap means the couple is 18% more likely to divorce. That rises to 39% for a 10-year age difference. When the couple has a 20-year age gap, the likelihood of divorce rises to 95%. A 30-year age difference means a whopping 172% chance of divorce. So the bigger the age gap, the higher the chance of divorce." https://www.unh…
/r/PurplePillDebate24/12/24 02:43 AM
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Statistics aren't on your side here bud
/r/PurplePillDebate24/12/24 02:16 AM
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Well I know it's easy for me to say since I don't have this problem living in california but if trump is nearly as bad as people think he will be we will probably have a dem president next. Which is why I used the word MISLEADING. Like I posted before you started ignoring the argument to just throw out ad hominem attacks. Yes it affects both but it affects women a lot more and a lot sooner, these are also just facts
/r/PurplePillDebate24/12/24 12:57 AM
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They grasp at the slightest straws, they want so bad for things to be worse for us which is pretty fucked up
/r/PurplePillDebate24/12/24 12:42 AM
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Because agewise you can't just wait until the next president, I get that, you don't have to take your frustration out by saying misleading things What else am I supposed to do than show data saying that you are being incredibly misleading? You are the one trying to hide behind claims of me being upset instead of arguing the point. Why do you care so much that the reality isn't really that bad for men? Either be happy for them or move on, this is some seriously bitter attitude. I wouldn't conside…
/r/PurplePillDebate24/12/24 12:41 AM
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You would be wrong, sounds like some projection to me, I was just correcting some disingenuous and misleading information, why would you have felt the need to do that unless you were upset about what I said to begin with? Nice try at turning it around after you were the one that replied to me.... but you have to be pretty close to 30 or over aren't you? Lmao again, nice try Oof and your only post is "I really wanted to be a mom" hahahaha called it!
/r/PurplePillDebate24/12/24 12:28 AM
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Is there a reason you are being so disingenuous in age affecting men and women similarly? Women's fertility starts declining a lot sooner than men and more drastically. As for birth defects it increases the chances of some that are already very low. "For example, men who were 45 or older were 14 percent more likely to have a child born prematurely, and men 50 or older were 28 percent more likely to have a child that required admission to the neonatal intensive care unit. Still, these numbers are…
/r/PurplePillDebate24/12/24 12:17 AM
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Unless the guy wants kids, then the wall is a lot sooner than 50
/r/PurplePillDebate23/12/24 11:56 PM
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Fuck yeah I can, and have. I actually find the question silly lol. After a dry spell I was messaging this chick on a dating site, literally within 5 minutes of meeting her I was inside her (I came in shy, she said there was no reason to be shy and asked if I wanted to fuck already which was already planned) and there was some lust going on..... would have been more but she wasn't very attractive. I don't see why I would have to have feelings for someone to feel lust for someone
/r/PurplePillDebate23/12/24 11:14 PM
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They are wording it wrong and you are nitpicking, they want that passionate lust not the lovey dovey stuff...... whether you agree or not it shouldn't be that complicated to understand
/r/PurplePillDebate23/12/24 11:03 PM
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Yeah so I hear doctor said it pushed into the nerve pretty bad, and when the surgeon said "some people recover" i got the hint that it would be an exception for me to not have foot drop, but i haven'tgiven up, nothing saying i cant be that exception! It's definitely at the top of my priority right now but the therapists priority is getting me independent and mobile so i spend most time working on that. Maybe I'll check out that sub and see if I can find anyone talking about it.... or I suppose m…
/r/PurplePillDebate23/12/24 08:43 PM
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People don't agree to a lot of things that happen during marriage. But you kind of did agree to deal with it (if traditional vows were said) that just sounds like your idea of marriage is until it starts to inconvenience you which at that point why are you getting married in the 1st place? Just stay in a LTR
/r/PurplePillDebate23/12/24 08:06 PM
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I suppose, personally it seems easier than dealing with a major disability
/r/PurplePillDebate23/12/24 08:00 PM
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Yeah I'm not denying that, the idea is that your partner would be there for you through that but I understand that can be difficult and imo that would be a lot harder to deal with than a kid. Especially because assumingly he would at most have 50/50 custody over the kid, but if they kept it from him to begin with I would assume less than that unless he fought for it. I am a new member to the disabled group myself but hopefully temporary and even if not the permanent is somewhat minor (I have "fo…
/r/PurplePillDebate23/12/24 07:58 PM
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"For better or worse......... till death do us part" He wouldn't have necessarily had to have been engaging in casual sex regularly for it to happen. Maybe he had 1 one night stand, maybe it was a girlfriend or something who ghosted him or something. But the idea would be that he would have been up front about his past and everything, for the question im asking it's kind of important that we assume he didn't really do anything wrong, just situation that popped up.
/r/PurplePillDebate23/12/24 07:51 PM
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I suppose a whole kid would be a big enough change, but so would things like your significant other getting injured and needing a wheelchair and all sorts of other things.... I just think you better leave some parts out of your vow because you don't seem to actually agree with them. It's not like he cheated on you and had a kid or anything, marriage is supposed to be a team against whatever may come but people are definitely treating it differently
/r/PurplePillDebate23/12/24 07:26 PM
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The elf part was just what got me thinking of it, not sure why you decided to focus on that at all. What kind of circumstances are you thinking about that would change your reaction?
/r/PurplePillDebate23/12/24 07:23 PM
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(Wouldn't be an "elf child") Well that seems to go against all the vows of marriage but I guess nowadays a lot of people especially women see marriage as more "until It doesn't suit me anymore"
/r/PurplePillDebate23/12/24 07:19 PM
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Yeah and if they are just other 1st world countries they don't care either. It just seems to matter when they are from certain countries
/r/PurplePillDebate23/12/24 05:08 AM
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This, the problem isn't "there are some men coming" Like we don't see this kind of sentiment when it comes to legal immigration. Almost no one (men) are saying we should only let female immigrants in (except the horny probably)
/r/PurplePillDebate22/12/24 11:45 PM
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Shit unless we find a way to lower the chances of impregnation without possible permanent side effects you may be right (since men just getting vasectomies and reversing them as needed wouldn't be the best way to do things)
/r/PurplePillDebate18/12/24 11:47 PM
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Well this hypothetical would probably only work in the staes that it is legal in, or it would have to be legalized again in those 13, the extra sexed up society probably wouldn't work otherwise (or better preventative reasons since men just getting vasectomies wouldn't work for everyone, although possibly could work)
/r/PurplePillDebate18/12/24 11:15 PM
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So you are saying it is legal in 37 states? Who said it "exclusively" exists for this reason? It mainly exists for people that don't want kids. Is a man not wanting to be a father somehow worse than women not wanting to be a mother? (And before you say it, no she wouldn't "have to" have 1)
/r/PurplePillDebate18/12/24 11:05 PM
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You would have to exclude, fucking to keep the peace probably Isn't this why abortion exists?
/r/PurplePillDebate18/12/24 08:48 PM
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It has become a bit if a red flag recently but before it was never an issue. There doesn't seem to be a problem with colored hair itself, just some women giving it a bad reputation (colored hair bull nose ring pops into my head when I think about it) Shame because it's something I actually liked (guess I still do, just more cautious when I see it)
/r/PurplePillDebate17/12/24 08:09 PM
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Agree that would be helpful to be more specific but I personally don't see how naming some individuals that did XYZ is that motivating personally unless it lines up with data, same reason I don't gamble, sure we can name all sorts of people who made a lot of money doing it but what does that matter if it isn't the general outcome? Because I don't see why "the wall" would matter that much otherwise...... other than the ability to have a kid. If all the women a man is dating are "post wall age" th…
/r/PurplePillDebate17/12/24 05:55 AM
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Do you need anything other than stating that not everyone is the same in these situations? People that ask questions like this are just asking stupid questions if they are looking for an answer like that. Big age gap marriages aren't common so I still say data is better than finding some examples imo. At least you gave some actual advice like keeping yourself in shape though, I would add that they are more likely to be "competing" with similar aged women, not the early 20's women (depending on w…
/r/PurplePillDebate17/12/24 05:35 AM
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Yeah I haven't seen any numbers suggesting it's happening any more now than before..... older men finding younger women attractive sure (which isn't new), but doesn't seem to be translating to a bunch of old men marrying young hotties
/r/PurplePillDebate17/12/24 05:22 AM
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This part "most older women irl don't go for younger men. If they do, its certainly not young men in their twenties." It honestly seemed like you just read the title before you started replying, I mean you say you didn't but it definitely kind of seems like it (not sure why you would start talking about older women not dating younger guys otherwise)
/r/PurplePillDebate17/12/24 05:00 AM
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Why cherrypick instead of just finding statistical data that says what men find attractive? How is naming some examples better than actual data?
/r/PurplePillDebate17/12/24 01:09 AM
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I don't get what you are trying to say here.... I mean wasn't my follow-up me describing what you initially thought was my mistake (or "disconnect")? So I don't see how you would be able to get the follow-up but not the previous "disconnect".
/r/PurplePillDebate16/12/24 12:36 PM
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Lol yeah an attempt was made. And I think they still downvoted me. Not that a downvote really matters but I'm just curious what they would have liked me to have done differently, like I'm sorry that my reading comprehension was better than theirs in this situation and wasn't clouded by probably extreme bias lmao
/r/PurplePillDebate16/12/24 08:04 AM
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I understand it correctly by reading more than where you chose to stop "some of the comments are talking about how it's not gendered, she's just thinking of him as less than because he didn't help." You would have had a point if the person I replied to didn't say what the OP was thinking (or what the comments are saying what she is thinking). She wasn't just thinking of him as "less than" without it being gendered, this is an incorrect statement
/r/PurplePillDebate16/12/24 06:29 AM
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"I can't even see him as a man anymore if he won't protect me" Sounds pretty gendered
/r/PurplePillDebate16/12/24 05:20 AM
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But their satisfaction in their marriages also seem to be aligned with their number of sexual partners, these aren't just religious people we are talking about here... this myth that it's just a bunch of religious people in unhappy marriages is unfounded and frankly just wishful thinking it seems https://nypost.com/2023/04/25/promiscuous-singles-are-screwing-their-odds-of-a-happy-marriage-study/ "Just one in 10 married people who label themselves as “highly sexually experienced” could say they’r…
/r/PurplePillDebate14/12/24 10:55 PM
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Most of these "mean comments" were just saying flowers were a bad idea, I think trying to be helpful is completely justified there
/r/PurplePillDebate14/12/24 09:44 PM
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We can end this post here
/r/PurplePillDebate14/12/24 09:33 PM
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Not nearly as funny as the fact that I was the one that asked YOU and was currently working on mine which has now been posted..... but I suppose rewriting history is funny as well. I'll still be waiting for your proof of your claim (already corrected your half remembered tidbits)
/r/PurplePillDebate14/12/24 07:07 PM
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I wasn't reading a specific study this time but I have read the one you are speaking about which I believe is this one. https://ifstudies.org/blog/does-sexual-history-affect-marital-happiness#:~:text=Women%20who've%20only%20slept,to%2D10%20lifetime%20sexual%20partners. "Women who've only slept with their spouses are, at 65%, most likely to report very happy marriages. Thereafter, there's a decline that's statistically-significant but modest in magnitude. The lowest odds of marital happiness, 52%…
/r/PurplePillDebate14/12/24 06:55 PM
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No you just try and draw a different conclusion based on the data that was never said lol. That isn't the same as finding data that actually shows what you are suggesting
/r/PurplePillDebate14/12/24 06:41 PM
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Statistically it isn't a good thing..... besides "your personal beliefs" where are you coming up with this idea that you seem confident enough in to insult anyone that thinks differently than you? At a certain point you can't call this "confident" and starts to lean into egotistically delusional
/r/PurplePillDebate14/12/24 06:31 PM
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What information are you reading, even the quickest of Google searches will show a higher divorce rate (although similar marriage rate).
/r/PurplePillDebate14/12/24 06:28 PM
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Where are you getting your info from? quick Google search from the AI say they marry at the same rate but divorce at a higher (to be fair I just looked up promiscuous women, not sure how much data is out there about ho phases but your comment seemed to include promiscuous women in general). Would have looked further than Google AI but it is a topic that I have previously looked into already anyways
/r/PurplePillDebate14/12/24 06:24 PM
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Exaggerated as hell but I agree with the overall idea
/r/PurplePillDebate14/12/24 06:20 PM
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"Reading comprehension, woman." Better? So just nitpick instead of attacking any of my actual arguments? Surely a sign of disagreeing based on the information available and not blind bias /s
/r/PurplePillDebate14/12/24 02:51 AM
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Point where I was wrong lol
/r/PurplePillDebate14/12/24 02:49 AM
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That site literally says the opposite of your claim..... where in there does it suggest it is commonplace? Are you just lying now?
/r/PurplePillDebate14/12/24 02:24 AM
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Young women are generally hotter than old women
/r/PurplePillDebate14/12/24 02:16 AM
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Not of minors in 1st world countries it isn't. In an attempt to make older women look barely legal
/r/PurplePillDebate14/12/24 02:07 AM
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Which part? Both seem easy enough to comprehend
/r/PurplePillDebate14/12/24 02:04 AM
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I'm not defending it like a hero, im just actually seeing both the good and bad unlike yourself who only seems to credit the patriarchy for the bad, im under the assumption that regardless if men or women were in charge the system would be fucked.... you seem to have a sexist opinion that women are better than men that I do not share Reading comprehension woman, getting away with it due to "having a bright future".... this is not something that happens to men in general, only the "elites" You ar…
/r/PurplePillDebate14/12/24 02:04 AM
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That didn't answer my question unless you are suggesting only once it's equal or mostly women will you stop seeing it as a man problem which I highly doubt you have this belief in general (or else anything more women do is a woman problem). Just because you said it doesn't make it true lmao. Either we have different standards for adults and children or we don't, stop trying to have a separate standard for a man's penis for some reason.
/r/PurplePillDebate14/12/24 01:43 AM
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Never claimed otherwise but what does that have to do with the point of showing how it's not hypocritical to be into a fantasy without wanting it to actually happen? By your logic this would make women hypocrites plain and simple. Yes but the female teachers reports are increasing which is leading people to question if there are more women doing it than before or more just getting caught. Also how many women have to do it until you stop seeing it as a man problem? Yes having sex with an 18 year …
/r/PurplePillDebate14/12/24 01:32 AM
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I never claimed it was benevolent but it has indeed done more good than bad overall and is the reason why you are even able to argue about it. You like to point at anything bad the system created and say "the patriarchy" but I would bet money you don't do that with all the good it has created which is equally true Not that many rapists considering how many people exist, it tends to be more of a class thing that I agree shouldn't exist but it is disingenuous to act like it's something that only a…
/r/PurplePillDebate14/12/24 01:17 AM
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Just like with women and their rape fantasies....... Honestly though how is a fake fantasy regarding legal women similar to real life illegal abuse of power/authority with a minor?
/r/PurplePillDebate14/12/24 12:59 AM
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That they are, the lame attempt at bringing the 4B movement to the US when 45% of women voted for trump was insane.... just a bunch of man hating. Even had a few women try and get all uppity with me saying that I'm trying to tell women what to do with their bodies but got real quiet when I told them that I was just pointing out why the reasons were dumb and if they wanted to yell at people trying to tell women what to do with their bodies they should be speaking to the ones preaching 4B
/r/PurplePillDebate14/12/24 12:53 AM
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I would think it is for everyone who believes in equality to fix, pretty sexist to think otherwise. It's not like I created the system and I don't see why anyone wouldn't want the best for others besides a hatred for the group. Yeah it's almost like they weren't intentionally just being mean to women when they created the system we live under, weird lol. The whole "men created it" is such a cop out by the way, show me a whole societies system built by women and I bet I would be able to find plen…
/r/PurplePillDebate14/12/24 12:21 AM
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"Being used frivolously and run into the ground"
/r/PurplePillDebate13/12/24 11:43 PM
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If the question was about misogyny would you have answered similarly?
/r/PurplePillDebate13/12/24 11:41 PM
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Not anymore than misogyny is
/r/PurplePillDebate13/12/24 11:39 PM
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That is misandry in itself "a guy did it so you can't blame misandry". So by this logic there is no such thing as internalized misogyny right? The draft, jail/prison sentencing and societies overall caring for women more points to the opposite of what you suggest. Like at least in the past (and probably still when the incident is not related to racism) the news seemed to care if something happened to white people more than minorities, they do the same thing in regards to men and women Edit: typo…
/r/PurplePillDebate13/12/24 11:38 PM
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This doesn’t support women having a higher libido than men, why are you making things up?
/r/PurplePillDebate10/12/24 01:28 AM
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Again where are you getting this from? If it's just your personal opinion just say so..... you are being ridiculous, all evidence points to you being wrong
/r/PurplePillDebate10/12/24 01:27 AM
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Again you are not actually saying any real arguments, this is just an example of how men have a higher libido.... how the hell are you trying to argue that this is better evidence than the years of studies done in countries all over the world? And as you mentioned elsewhere when women get more testosterone their sex drive increases. You are making a claim that you lied about having evidence to back up, where is the evidence
/r/PurplePillDebate10/12/24 01:22 AM
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That doesn't prove your hypothesis at all, everything points to you being wrong and you come back with "trust me bro" "Carole Hooven, a lecturer in the department of human evolutionary biology at Harvard University, welcomed the study. "I'm not surprised that researchers have confirmed what most of us know to be true by virtue of being a sexually mature human," said Hooven, who wasn't involved in the analysis. "But what's nice about this study," she said, "is that it compiles, examines and summa…
/r/PurplePillDebate10/12/24 01:17 AM
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A quick Google search says you are wrong...... so far Google AI and literally every article I seen says that you are wrong, where are you getting your information and why do you think it's better than all the rest? https://medicalxpress.com/news/2022-10-stronger-sex-men-women.html#:~:text=by%20Alan%20Mozes%20HealthDay%20Reporter,simple%20logic%2C%20is%20almost%20impossible. https://www.psychologytoday.com/intl/blog/talking-apes/202212/do-men-really-have-stronger-sex-drives-than-women#:~:text=Aft…
/r/PurplePillDebate10/12/24 01:12 AM
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35 currently single because I broke up with an admittedly rebound relationship a little less than half a year ago. A lot of red pillers here do appreciate the women that are having kids in marriage and not participating in the kind of tiktok behavior a lot of women are engaging in (over inflated standards due to ego, eyes for a man's wallet, hypocritical misandry, feelings over logic etc...) You also seem to be ignoring any man that doesn't want kids which you should be old enough to not make su…
/r/PurplePillDebate10/12/24 12:38 AM
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You need a link if you are trying to suggest it's because men are being unfairly demonized. If you are just stating that due to some men being dangerous particularly women have had to be more on guard and have been taught to (and are hence incorrectly complaining that they have been taught and seen the dangera of men to the point where they have to view them as more dangerous than bears)..... no, yeah we got that it was an overly extreme viewpoint like I suggested and is a ridiculous argument th…
/r/PurplePillDebate09/12/24 12:31 PM
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And you arrived at this point how? Sounds a little different than the usual ones I hear..... unless you are blaming men for the socializing (had someone try to argue that the shotgun father stereotype was a form of a man saying men are rapists but he just doesn't want his daughter fuckkng guys in general) Like I would love for a link because there is no way that women were collectively trying to show how men are unfairly demonized, I cannot believe that lmfao
/r/PurplePillDebate09/12/24 12:10 PM
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Uh huh, and what is this point that everyone must agree with and how it is shown o wise one?
/r/PurplePillDebate09/12/24 12:00 PM
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Seeing the hypothetica as demonising men completely misses the point. I have heard this so often, but just because people don't agree with "the point" doesn't mean they missed it. (Well more like not agreeing with the way its shown and the extreme way that it's trying to be made just makes it illogical)
/r/PurplePillDebate09/12/24 10:35 AM
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It doesn't argue that, it mentions a sociologist that argues that (with another arguing it's more evolutionary) , while mentioning no studies to back it up (although said in her studies that's what she concluded), but even what she says still suggests it makes them more attractive, just the reason and how much more attractive differs. Where did it say it wasn't common? And not lasting isn't arguing against making men seem more attractive, that would just be a goalpost move edit: nvm see where th…
/r/PurplePillDebate06/12/24 04:34 PM
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Have you seen any suggesting what you think? Haven't seen the study myself but this article mentions it, didn't see a link for the study but I only did a quick glance over https://www.famcap.com/2018/08/wealthspike-gender-wars-wealth-and-attraction/ "Separate studies found men pictured with a silver Bentley were perceived as significantly more attractive than those pictured with a red Ford fiesta" Oh and apparently mentioned another I missed. "Another rated men as more attractive if they were pi…
/r/PurplePillDebate06/12/24 04:21 PM
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I don't get where you are getting that floor idea from when studies show women like men with more money. Yes they tend to marry their economic equal but not only is this decently because who we are surrounded by but men also don't want to be attractive to women just for marriage. It tends to be a pretty common 1st date question ("what do you do for a living"), and about 40% of relationships start on OLD and the rate is growing higher....... you also seem to be ignoring wealth signs (regardless o…
/r/PurplePillDebate06/12/24 03:13 PM
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How often is "all else equal"? Not for most men, but for those that make decently above the median wage it is
/r/PurplePillDebate06/12/24 02:30 PM
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Pretty sure I know which one you are talking about, the difference between how the men rated vs women showed that women were 1000x more likely than men to change their ratings based on money than men. There was another where they just changed the car the guy was in a picture with and showed them to rate the man as higher with the more expensive car. Study after study after study in general show that women are more attracted to men with money (men prioritize looks and shows it to be affected by y…
/r/PurplePillDebate06/12/24 02:20 PM
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It's Lilith, definitely not a good faith arguer
/r/PurplePillDebate06/12/24 12:21 PM
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What does you responding to that have to do with anything other than explain how we got here? (Which I already knew and seems pointless anyways). Unnatural- just factually wrong and they are idiots Not feminine- decent argument for this, shaving body hair and genital hair is a more feminine thing to do in certain cultures, you may not like it but that is how words work Gross- depending on the amount it does seem like overreacting, but why instead of blaming society/media like a lot of women usua…
/r/PurplePillDebate06/12/24 11:51 AM
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I don't understand why. Exactly, then maybe you shouldn't be insinuating they like little kids. Like fuck it is fine if you don't get it and think that men that make a big deal of it are picky and/or assholes but that is like the worst label you can give someone and you are doing it for something that most men seem to prefer (these ones just seem to take it further)
/r/PurplePillDebate06/12/24 11:31 AM
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Very much so, generally why condoms are used. I feel like if I worried about it to the degree you suggest I may as well just stop trying to have sex though, it's not like I'm a woman with a ton of options, I'm a chubby chaser who still generally has to rely on just getting what I can get at times.
/r/PurplePillDebate06/12/24 10:59 AM
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