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By this logic it means most women in lesbian marriages arent marriage material
/r/PurplePillDebate29/04/22 10:53 AM
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I provided sources in the post
/r/PurplePillDebate29/04/22 08:42 AM
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Whats your opinion on the higher divorce rates in lesbians compared to gay men. Which of your points do you think account for both homosexual and heterosexual relationships?
/r/PurplePillDebate28/04/22 01:47 PM
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This is an interesting perspective thanks The first seems to be the most consistent belief on this thread, which is women are more likely to "JUST DO IT", and move foward with the divorce proceedings, while men will continually put it off.
/r/PurplePillDebate28/04/22 01:45 PM
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Yeah thats also an interesting perspective. So in your opinion women are just less likely to settle than men
/r/PurplePillDebate28/04/22 01:41 PM
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It didnt. Which yeah definetly makes it biased
/r/PurplePillDebate28/04/22 01:37 PM
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So lesbians also dont eat enough pussy?
/r/PurplePillDebate28/04/22 01:35 PM
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Thats all real interesting. Thanks for posting
/r/PurplePillDebate28/04/22 01:34 PM
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I think the perspective is far to heterosexual focused for me to see how it accounts for queer relationships. But it seems what your saying that due to womens general personalities it simply makes them less compatible within long term relationships regardless of their partners sex. Correct me if im wrong
/r/PurplePillDebate28/04/22 01:33 PM
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I dont think this much accounts for the divorce rates between lesbians and gay men
/r/PurplePillDebate28/04/22 01:26 PM
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Thats interesting. In which case it would run counter to the percieved idea of masculinity. Women are simply just more comfortable being alone.
/r/PurplePillDebate28/04/22 01:24 PM
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Do you think this accounts for the higher rates of divorce in lesbians compared to gay men?
/r/PurplePillDebate28/04/22 01:22 PM
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This doesnt account for the high rates of divorce among lesbians
/r/PurplePillDebate28/04/22 01:21 PM
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None of this accounts for why Gay men divorce less than Lesbians. Considering more lesbians have children than gay men.
/r/PurplePillDebate28/04/22 01:20 PM
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Women also report higher rates of unhappiness in relationships. So although im making an assumption here to me it makes sense that Women being more unhappy means theyre more likely to intiate divorce. I dont have any information on queer marriage statistics. So i dont know whether you are right or not. Overall i dont think im conflating much. The article i posted also interviewed many women and their reasons where mostly. They were unhappy in their relationships. Which feels fairly similar to th…
/r/PurplePillDebate28/04/22 01:19 PM
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Im not sure what you mean?
/r/PurplePillDebate28/04/22 01:14 PM
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Interesting. So you think this accounts for gay men as well? By your response and others the explanation seems to be mainly administrative. Women are more likely to do all said paper work while men are more likely to put it off
/r/PurplePillDebate28/04/22 01:09 PM
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Does this account for why Lesbians also report twice the divorce rate as men? In which case are you saying because women do more in home administration theyre more likely to get divorced? Im not saying youre wrong thats just not a correlation i ever considered
/r/PurplePillDebate28/04/22 01:04 PM
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But lesbians also report significantly higher divorce rates than gay men. So is your belief that women divorce more simply because theyre better at administration?
/r/PurplePillDebate28/04/22 12:57 PM
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facts
/r/PurplePillDebate01/04/22 07:29 AM
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Neither, society should let personal relationships be personal and have people deal with their pwn consequences neither good nor bad. We can all have our own personal thoughts, but there are some things where "collective action" just isnt right. Look at how easily harassment campaigns happen online or how one sobby on gofundme can go viral and make someone a millionaire. As a collective were so bad at making informal decisions that we really just shouldnt.
/r/PurplePillDebate01/04/22 07:28 AM
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why I consider it hypocritical. Gender incarceration gap (when accounted for a long list of factors, e.g. is it first time or not, etc) is NOTABLY LARGER than racial incarceration gap. What is "feminist" push here? Oh, "why do we even jail women". Yes, really. No, it's not ok. It is institutionalized man hating. What feminist theory is pro the prison industrial complex. What feminist is head of a prison corporation. What feminist instituted the policies that led to mass incarceration, what femin…
/r/PurplePillDebate24/03/22 02:31 PM
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You need to stop mixing actual facts (X% of population measurably has Y income on average) and dubious theories. I mean X% of the population is also significantly incarcerated on mass. The majority of those incarcerations are men, incarcerations significantly decrease the ability of a person to find a job and thus income, so like idk whats your conclusion as to why men are homeless, women are in poverty and children dont have fathers. But whatever thats not the issue at hand To address your poin…
/r/PurplePillDebate24/03/22 01:27 PM
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1) Majority of black Americans being born out of wedlock (70%???) 2) Poverty being skewed towards black Americans in general. Single women in the same demographic is even poorer. This is where intersection. Poverty in black america is due to instutionlised violence and incarceration performed by the government. That government was and is still male dominated. Those arrests where made by male cops. Buts thats a whole other discussion. "We need women there, because men do not care about women" is …
/r/PurplePillDebate24/03/22 10:58 AM
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The ruling class as in the people who make the actual decisions comprises mainly of men. Its weird to put equal blame on the CEOs who create unsafe work environments that cause men to die as on their wives and daughters who dont make those decisions. The centralisation on power is still on the men. Men as a cohort do benefit from patriarchy. This isnt counter to what i said that "Patriarchy as a system doesnt exist to benefit all men" Saying "Men benefit from patriarcy" doesnt discount "Patriarc…
/r/PurplePillDebate24/03/22 10:25 AM
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Sixty-seven percent of all people experiencing homelessness within the 2018 Point-in-Time (PiT) Count are individuals Youre right. I was thinking of Poverty not homelessness.I apologise. Women are more likely to live in poverty. In the Sokal Squared debacle (also known as "Grievance Studies Affair") it was peer reviewed FEMINIST JOURNAL that has printed a chapter from Mein Kampf, with Jews replaced with... you guessed it, men. Okay, this doesnt really have to do with anything. Of all the nonsens…
/r/PurplePillDebate24/03/22 10:09 AM
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Your entire logic falls apart because you fail to consider who created the systems that are causing men so much problems. A common misconception from many people is the idea that Patriarchy, is a system which exists to benefit all men, something no aspect of feminist theory claims. The claim is Patriarchy exist to concentrate power around a few men at the cost of everyone else. We still live in a patriarchal society because power is still concentrated around a few men.
/r/PurplePillDebate24/03/22 09:01 AM
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Youre wrong about two things. Women make up the majority of homeless No aspect of Feminism has ever claimed Patriarchy exist to benefit all men. Feminism claims patriarchy exist to benefit a few men at the cost of everyone else. Take careers where men die, who are the CEOs of those jobs, men, who will make the most money, men. Take incarceration rates, who passed legislation that caused the war on drugs? men. Who make up most police forces? men. Take war? Who are the generals in armies? men. Who…
/r/PurplePillDebate24/03/22 08:57 AM
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Girls like leading on a lot of guys with no intention of ever sleeping with them. Make a claim, provide evidence. otherwise not addressing it. if all men heard what I said they would avoid committing and vow to never marry, then women would never get their needs met. Feminism is kind of a ploy to make sure guys don’t find out about women’s nature and to make sure women have the easiest possible time getting what they want. This would be true if the majority of the worlds poor weren't women. But …
/r/PurplePillDebate23/03/22 07:19 PM
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Exploiting mens sex drives? What on earth. Is this for real, you legit typed this and didn't fucking explode from cringe? Just because something resonates doesn't mean it has any basis reality. Nazis persecuting jews resonate, doesn't mean it isn't total bullshit. I can say puppies cure cancer and I'm sure it will resonate. It doesn't give the claim any value.
/r/PurplePillDebate23/03/22 05:32 PM
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What? Theyre not wizards, theyre just people. Do you think there's like a secret manipulation class women take, or that there's a manipulation gene in the other X chromosome which awakens at the time of puberty. For real dude how do you not realise how dumb this sounds
/r/PurplePillDebate23/03/22 05:30 PM
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Hear what, that bad people exist. I mean okay sure
/r/PurplePillDebate23/03/22 05:28 PM
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OP never claimed in his experience some women have been bad. OP just made the claim "some women bad" and using that to go "maybe most women bad". So like now you're just making shit up. Even then we have a word for that, its called "Anecdotal information". Which is defined as: (of an account) not necessarily true or reliable, because based on personal accounts rather than facts or research. As in even if OP made the claim you're saying he did. Its still not really relevant as its just his person…
/r/PurplePillDebate23/03/22 12:48 PM
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Women fake compatibility/sexuality/niceness/etc to get guys to commit and provide. This isn't a point to debate. Like all it is a bad trait you're mentioning. And thus the only response to it is "Okay, whatever". Theres no discussion to be had unless you're arguing a significant proportion of women do this, in which case you need to provide a source. Its like me saying "All children should be aware that women will stomp puppies to see children cry". I mean I'm sure more than 1 woman has done thi…
/r/PurplePillDebate23/03/22 12:43 PM
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These are just aspects of social interaction that come with everyday life. People look presentable to have nice social interactions By this logic the very act of putting on clothes to interact with people even though you would rather be nude is manipulation. Had a shower? manipulation. Changed underwear? manipulation. Hair cut? manipulation Brushed teeth? manipulation. Like what is a definition of natural in this case?
/r/PurplePillDebate23/03/22 12:38 PM
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I truly do not understand what debate is to be had here. The only claim OP has made is "Some women bad", and he's using that to go "consider Maybe most women bad???". And when I go "but no evidence", you're response is "But what about some women bad?". Like really what actual argument of substance do you think is being made here. So then women on TikTok "make shit up." Tells you something else about who you're dealing with. What? Is your argument that your one source is made up which is evidence…
/r/PurplePillDebate23/03/22 12:29 PM
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Am i supposed to prove the majority of women have morals, as in a basic understanding of right and wrong. I mean like really, please point me to a case where a woman murdered someone and her defense was "As you know I am a woman, so I literally cant tell the difference between right and wrong". Like legit I have no idea how to even begin to address this, so I wont. OP or someone else has to prove to me the significant proportion of women just don't have an understanding of morality compared to m…
/r/PurplePillDebate23/03/22 12:16 PM
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If its any of what the person I'm responding to then its dumb to frame that as manipulation. If its like the 0.0001% of cases where some crazy women steals a rich guys sperm to impregnate herself, then that's not meaningful or worth discussing.
/r/PurplePillDebate23/03/22 12:10 PM
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Some women are bad people, okay so what. So are some men, I don't really see how this is a relevant point worth making. Its like you coming here and posting "You know some women kick kittens, so lets have a debate on why women are kicking kittens", like bruh what am I supposed to do with that. Yes I'm sure more than one woman over the course of history has kicked a kitten, I don't see what that has to do with any significant discussions or trends about gender, sex and kitten kicking. Youre just …
/r/PurplePillDebate23/03/22 12:08 PM
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Overall this is a real dumb post, with no evidence apart from a tiktok form some person that is probably making stuff up. Like primal nature? WTF thats not an official anthropolgy term. Also "Alot of girls have no morals"? WTF do you think women are? Like idk how to even address this, am i to prove women do have morals? when thats a conclusion so blindingly obvious everyone knows.
/r/PurplePillDebate23/03/22 11:13 AM
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Youre framing of "Manipulation" is so fucking dumb. Like yeah i making yourself attractive is "manipulation", then is having a good conversation manipulation, is recommending a fun activity manipulation? Are dudes manipulating women when they get nice hair cuts, dress well or use cologne. Are you manipulating your friend when youre bored and go "Dude ive bot Beer and halo, lets hang out", or go "Look at my sick new shoes" I mean maybe. But in which case your world view on social interactions is …
/r/PurplePillDebate23/03/22 11:01 AM
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I know and agree. My argument is more a practice in principles and belief but isn't really currently applicable to the real world. Im not going to start marching for the right for men to not be legal fathers when there are much bigger fights to be had. Its more just a belief of mine in the hypothetical of: If all things equal (which they obviously arent) then this should be the case.
/r/PurplePillDebate20/03/22 11:21 AM
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Why are we jumping between different scenarios. Like at this point these are just 3 different Ward Cleavers, so why are the personal lives of any of them generaliseable to the wider population if they arent even relevant to themselves. Like bro Ward Cleaver should just sort his own personal drama out without making claims of being representative to all relationships.
/r/PurplePillDebate14/03/22 02:44 PM
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when a woman cheat, it's usually because she is actually interviewing a replacement. Men, on the other hand, generally do not want to give up on functional marriages, just for a side piece. Youre gonna have to substantiate those claims bud
/r/PurplePillDebate14/03/22 02:10 PM
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But you just said Ward drives to another state and marries his secretary? Also clearly even if you dont realise it you believe Ward has some claim on Judys vagina, because if Judy fucks the mailman it is "betrayal". But Ward can put his penis in anything and its fine as long as Judy gets a bit of that paycheck. But whatever ill move on from that point. To address imperil of marriage and family? Feels like Ward is trying to have his cake and eat it too. I dont know what youre saying about "Imperi…
/r/PurplePillDebate14/03/22 02:08 PM
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Oddly enough in this scenario if Ward just told June he no longer had feelings for her and is inlove with someone else. (And also continued to care for his kids) This would be the least betrayal. I dont think having feelings for someone else id Betrayal. People grow apart, thats just life. If Ward is completely honest with June and promises to take care of their kids he hasnt betrayaed anyone. Your worldview is real fucking weird. Cleary youre conservative in your views on sex and marriage. But …
/r/PurplePillDebate14/03/22 01:41 PM
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Ward has betrayed.
/r/PurplePillDebate14/03/22 12:47 PM
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Cool bro
/r/PurplePillDebate14/03/22 12:43 PM
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i disagree
/r/PurplePillDebate14/03/22 11:39 AM
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All of this is unsubstantiated claims and thus moot. This post is boiled down to "Women do this bad thing more than men, so lets never consider anytime a man does it". Its a post that without data is pointless to consider because claims such as relatively rare for men to leave for younger partners after these men become more 'successful'. it is very common for women to 'trade up'. my GF left me after I got brain cancer bc some guy at work made more money than me', and people say 'well guys do it…
/r/PurplePillDebate14/03/22 11:35 AM
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Youre still describing a choice, all youre saying is its a choice you personally wont make. Not all women feel like you do.
/r/PurplePillDebate12/03/22 11:33 PM
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Relationships arent a question and answer thing? Like idk what you are expecting. Like if youre looking for a relationship but only consider the women youre with 5/10s, thats your problem. No one wants a partner who's like "Im only with you because no one better wants me"
/r/PurplePillDebate10/03/22 02:15 PM
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But they didnt choose whether that child should exist. The woman did. The woman chose to not eject it from her body. If she didnt make that choice there wouldnt be a kid who needs food, clothing and shelter. You cant say "Well men chose pre-conception", that makes no sense because women also chose pre-conception. The woman then makes a further choice post conception on parenthood for both man and herself. All im really saying is if a woman gets 6months to decide whether she wants to be a mother.…
/r/PurplePillDebate08/03/22 07:46 PM
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Yeah and once he hands that off to her she can eject it from her body even after conception. Eject it? WTF are you talking about. What medical procedure should he have access to for his own body to make it fair? Or is his body not part of the equation once he ejaculates? I genuinely have no idea what youre even saying here. The argument im making is if post conception women can choose to be mothers by not having an abortion (A right I 1000% support them in), men should get a legal choice to not …
/r/PurplePillDebate08/03/22 07:38 PM
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That you don't exercise your right to control yourself but still want to complain is the only thing here that's dumb. Im fairly sure i heard the Texas state senate use this exact argument when limiting abortion🤔🤔 Hell im fairly sure i heard Reagan use this exact argument during the AIDs epidemic.
/r/PurplePillDebate08/03/22 07:32 PM
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Your reasoning is flawed because again you have put all the burden of conception on the man. Youre acting like men make babies and then accidentally pop one into a woman from time to time. You seem to think only condoms exist, and there isnt a wide range feminine contraceptive products, some that you can just keep in your body without thinking for months on end. Your argument seems to Her choice is then whether she wants to bring it to term inside her body and birth it. Youre forgetting her choi…
/r/PurplePillDebate08/03/22 07:29 PM
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But in this case the consequences of an actions, depend entirely on the action of someone else. The choice has been stripped from someone and given to another. The only logical point foward is saying no one should have any personal agency over parenthood, only the government. A gross pov.
/r/PurplePillDebate08/03/22 06:48 PM
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Your answer makes no sense because you are completely ignoring the fact that for parenthood to exist a woman must be involved and she must choose, to grow that child for 9months. You say buy the ticket and take the ride. But again to be logically consistent, EVERYONE Must take the ride. Your argument also frames the entirety of contraception as just the dudes responsibilty, which is real weird. Your entire point is just weird and dumb. You seem to ignore the female party entirely, and frame it a…
/r/PurplePillDebate08/03/22 06:46 PM
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Your argument of "Well its preventable" is dumb. In theory all medical emergencies are preventable, all injuries are preventable. Doesnt mean im against universal health care. It doesnt mean people should be left to just shoulder all consequeslnces. No one is saying sex doesnt produce babies. Every guy knows. If a woman wants to keep a child with all access to abortion, godspeed to her. I will not limit her right to do so. Its her body her choice. She has made that choice. I havent. If you truly…
/r/PurplePillDebate08/03/22 04:47 PM
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Wrap it up, pull out or "Attempt to finish orally" arent 100% preventative. No single contraception is 100% preventative. But even attempt of prevention and contraception use isnt the question at hand. Its a question of principle, Is sex automatic consent to parenthood. Thats the question being asked?
/r/PurplePillDebate08/03/22 04:06 PM
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Youre completely shifting the topic. The question is one of logical consistency. Do you believe sex is immediate consent to parenthood? If you believe thats the case for men, it must be the case for women.
/r/PurplePillDebate08/03/22 08:52 AM
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I agree with you. Its more an overall practice in logical consistency, im not up to fight for this topic in a world were Texas exists as a grosa supposed bastion of "personal freedoms". But to be logically consistent If you agree with X you kind of have to agree with Y, even in just hypotheticals.
/r/PurplePillDebate08/03/22 08:50 AM
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......WTF Is this a joke im not getting?
/r/PurplePillDebate08/03/22 08:47 AM
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This is not the question at hand, and youre clearly diverting to shift the topic. The question is whether you believe the act sex is automatic and immediate consent to parenthood? You need to be logically and principally consistent in this belief. If you believe men consent to parenthood just by having sex a woman consents to parenthood by having sex.
/r/PurplePillDebate08/03/22 08:46 AM
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The question isnt of success rate of this or that. Its whether you believe sex is an automatic consent to parenthood. Your logic can only be consistent if you believe when women have sex theyre consenting to motherhood.
/r/PurplePillDebate08/03/22 08:43 AM
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Thats dumb, theres tons of accidents that can happen while using a condom. Your logic only makes sense if you believe when women consent to sex they consent to pregnancy and parenthood.
/r/PurplePillDebate08/03/22 08:41 AM
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But men dont choose to abort. (As they shouldnt.) Women choose to abort. Your logic only makes sense if you believe when women consent to sex they consent to pregnancy and parenthood.
/r/PurplePillDebate08/03/22 08:39 AM
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I fundamentally disagree with you in both cases.
/r/PurplePillDebate07/03/22 11:36 PM
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Thats dumb. You cant have it one way or the other. If you believe thats the case then you must believe When women consent to sex they consent to motherhood.
/r/PurplePillDebate07/03/22 07:22 PM
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The thing is i think i do. Im sure we share a whole bunch of the same principles. Im 1000% for all forms of womens reproductive rights, as im sure you are. I just havent seen a logical argument for why men should immediately consent to being fathers because of sex if i dont believe women consent to being mothers because of sex. You definetly havent provided any.
/r/PurplePillDebate07/03/22 04:36 PM
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Dammm a Grammar insult. What a peak reddit moment. Fuck i bet you feel proud of yourself now, you sure showed him. What a witty retort. Fuck Principals amirite when i have Grammar
/r/PurplePillDebate07/03/22 04:18 PM
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When the next dude who forces his pregnant partner to keep the child because its "His kid as well" shows up, make sure to be there.
/r/PurplePillDebate07/03/22 04:14 PM
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Sick Burn Bro, you sure show them. When the next dude who forces his pregant partner to keep the kid argues because its "His kid as well", make sure to be there.
/r/PurplePillDebate07/03/22 04:12 PM
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That my friend is called a leap of logic. By that same logic a man has half the right to decide whether a woman keeps the baby or not. Something you dont believe and I dont. A man consent to have sex, a woman consents to have sex. No one consented to be a parent. You dont believe a woman has consented to be a parent, you would call any claim to the contrary abominable. So as I.
/r/PurplePillDebate07/03/22 04:09 PM
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Not making up scenarios, women can get pregnant without direct insemination https://www.nhs.uk/common-health-questions/pregnancy/can-i-get-pregnant-if-i-have-sex-without-penetration/ Even ignoring that. Men arent getting women pregnant. A man provides the Sperm a Woman the egg. Its two people. A man consent to have sex, a woman consents to have sex. No one consented to be a parent. You dont believe a woman has consented to be a parent, you would call any claim abominable
/r/PurplePillDebate07/03/22 04:06 PM
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I dont see what your point is. Where not arguing rarity of fertilisation. Where arguing whether a man consents to fatherhood just because of fertilisation?
/r/PurplePillDebate07/03/22 04:01 PM
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Provide data on what? Its basic biology semen doesnt need to be inserted into the vagina for a pregnancy to occur. https://uk.clearblue.com/am-i-pregnant/can-you-get-pregnant-from-precum#:~:text=Yes%2C%20there%20is%20a%20chance,or%20even%20from%20genital%20contact. Do you legit not know that https://www.nhs.uk/common-health-questions/pregnancy/can-i-get-pregnant-if-i-have-sex-without-penetration/
/r/PurplePillDebate07/03/22 03:57 PM
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It doesnt matter if its very rare, it can still happen and its still a pregnancy. Many pregnancies are sexless pregnancy. The question is a matter of principal. Do you think just because a man fertilised a woman he has consented to parenthood?
/r/PurplePillDebate07/03/22 03:54 PM
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Thats dumb, for one a man doesnt need to ejaculate in a woman for her to be pregnant. He could drop some precum in a bath and she could get pregnant that way.
/r/PurplePillDebate07/03/22 03:47 PM
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The comparison to slavery is apt because women werent given a choice. There were slaves happy with being slaves. Many house slaves enjoyed their masters favour. But they were still slaves, literal property without giving a choice in life.
/r/PurplePillDebate10/12/21 10:25 AM
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How many striped bass have been to the moon. Fish arenr humans. But yeah were pretty unique. Why do philosophers and moral ethicists, spent centuries debating each other. These people spend their whole lives thinking about the human condition. And no matter how much they debate and research, no matter how many theories they conduct, theres always flaws. Most generalisations arent accurate when you drill down. You ask vague questions you get vague answers. Heres how this sub acts: Do you like piz…
/r/PurplePillDebate20/11/21 02:11 PM
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To have nuance discussions about the complexity of humans taken into accounts their multi faceted natures and learn abit more about your fellow man.
/r/PurplePillDebate20/11/21 01:39 PM
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"Different people, like different things at different times" The issue with users on this sub is hardcore generalising of people. Forgetting people are individuals with their own likes, dislikes and unique personalities that are all subject to change over time and under different events. Theres 3.8billion members of each sex. How can you reduce all of them to one sentence.
/r/PurplePillDebate20/11/21 01:26 PM
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I think its an indication you had a conversation with one woman. Anecdotes arent generaliseable. Please learn this simple lesson
/r/PurplePillDebate19/11/21 09:17 AM
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Cool studies. Last line of the first but the magnitude of these effects was modest. I asked for a stringent result, this didn't provide Next study. tallness does not increase marital success Cmon dude read what you post. I guess shortness is penalised but tallness isn't giving much benefit. The conclusion isn't women are dating taller. Final study (Also by Gert Stulp interestingly enough). I looked into that actual study instead of a write up on it Furthermore, even in this low-mortality populat…
/r/PurplePillDebate18/11/21 03:07 PM
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A pharmacologist. So i quite like empirical data. If its not the truth whats the point. All it is just an interpretation of anecdotes
/r/PurplePillDebate18/11/21 02:00 PM
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No you need to prove women have stringent height requirements. I will not accept that conclusion without evidence. And stringent means "Stringent", not "Sure id like a pretty tall guy", im talking a study that says the majority of women actively dislike the idea of dating anyone below 6ft. Preferably conducted by a trustworthy organisation and peer reviewed. This isnt even beginning to take into considerstion that this prefrence has caused a significant change in the height of the population of …
/r/PurplePillDebate18/11/21 01:39 PM
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Tinder profiles are not anthropological, sociological or population based studies. They are anecdotes and thus useless. You cannot draw an adaptational or population change conclusion based on tinder profiles
/r/PurplePillDebate18/11/21 12:50 PM
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Nah, the netherlands has one of the best life expectancies in the world, very little poverty, free available health care and amazing nutrition. They havent sent young men to die in droves a major war since the early 1900s, while the country continually got richer to this day. Of course they made a country of giants.
/r/PurplePillDebate18/11/21 10:06 AM
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Truthfully i cannot even remotely grasp what any of these terms mean. I do not know how someone can define a "Beta" or "Alpha" male in any actual sociological context that isnt so full of holes it becomes useless to me. Especially when you talk about how "Beta males are the best breeders". I truly have no idea how to grasp a comment like that, without going "WTF are you talking about" because it just sounds so much like nonesense. I saw someone else go "Beta males will continue to support societ…
/r/PurplePillDebate18/11/21 06:09 AM
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distinguish a real alpha male from a synthetic alpha male, What? Youre finding generic features and giving them nonesense label. Like what does "Alpha" even mean and a pre-historic human context? In terms of survival its not like height particularly means anything. Humans came from the ethiopian plains. Being taller wast a biologia advantage, it meant you were an easier catch for predators. Attractiveness is a social construct. It is limited to todays modern lense thus it means nothing. In the m…
/r/PurplePillDebate17/11/21 08:40 PM
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it's because when humans entered civilization the beta male was the most successful breeder it's now that women have been released from previous trad system and now work full time when women recently decided to prioritize exclusively alpha males, leaving the beta male useless This. This right hear is what i have no patience for. What the fuck does this even mean. Beta males were the most successful breeder? What fucking anthropological study is that from?
/r/PurplePillDebate17/11/21 07:34 PM
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TRP and the rest of the manosphere defo dont treat it like locker room talk. I think most dating advice is dumb but mostly harmful. But when people start talking bullshit pseudo-science about evolution and anthropology shit needs to be said. Had a argument yesterday where someone kept claiming the reason why humans are taller is because women keep selecting for tall men. When its takes a cursory google to find were taller than our ancestors because of better nutrition. He then proceeded to call …
/r/PurplePillDebate17/11/21 06:48 PM
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Yes. Women used to be considered property. Youre now actually expected to treat youre companion with respect, previously you just hoped her dad would give you 5 goats to take his daughter of his hands.
/r/PurplePillDebate17/11/21 05:23 PM
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I cant change your view because your view isnt based on anything but your own person feelings. Youre conflating and generalising. You have apparently not giving a thought that theres maybe idk two different women youre talking about. And imma blow your mind here......theres actually way more than 2 groups, infact all women have their own unique personalities, identities, likes and dislikes that change over time. For one there is no rise in men not taking women seriously, thats just called the pa…
/r/PurplePillDebate17/11/21 05:14 PM
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I dont see how my premise is flawed and why women need to inhertit Intelligence differently. Intelligence is based on our brains and the development of our brains is host to a variety of hormones and neurotransmitters which based in how they are expressed can have a variety of consequences. Men and women share both hormones and neurotransmitters, but due to our biology those hormones and neurotransmitters are expressed differently in different amount. Some are upregulated while others downregula…
/r/PurplePillDebate16/11/21 07:12 PM
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Female intellect wasnt a trait we as a species cared for it wouldnt be there. The fact it is shows it was selected for. You cant say "Well men are tall because women like tall men", that is a trait that was selected for, all our traits and features are like that. So if women are intelligent, well our ancient ancestors must have selected for intelligent women ergo they are intelligent. If they never needed to be intelligent or if none of their partners care then they wouldnt be intelligent. Its n…
/r/PurplePillDebate16/11/21 04:01 PM
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Nutrition, not strength, we didnt choose strength. Want to see an animal that chose strength, look at our cousins the gorilla or the the chimp, animals that are half our size and can twice our muscle mass. Were big because we eat well, its really that simple, give an animal a balanced died filled with a variety of diverse proteins, vitamins and carbs, instead of spending half the year starving and it will grow bigger. Also not sure how psychopathy means anything in this argument. Psychopathy has…
/r/PurplePillDebate16/11/21 03:23 PM
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Sorry you said biggest? Which we also arent. Were the tallest, big is abit to vague its definetly not strongest. Animals get bigger the better their nutrition and quality of life. Vicious predation is just not true. The most inventive killing machines arent brute strength, their science based. You ever seen deforestation take place? Its not a bunch of roided out lumber jacks murdering every tree. Its controlled burns and massive vehicles. When miles of the amazon rainforest is burnt down, the de…
/r/PurplePillDebate16/11/21 02:44 PM
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Youre 100% right
/r/PurplePillDebate16/11/21 02:23 PM
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The fact you typed this comment on reddit and, not shitting in your pile of fruit like the chimps in the zoo prove youre factually wrong.
/r/PurplePillDebate16/11/21 01:53 PM
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Tallest doesnt mean strongest. Our ape cousins are far smaller and far stronger. Evidence shows neantherthals were stronger and theyre all dead. Aggressive? Not likely whens the last time you spear hunted a rhinoceros. Whens the last time you and your tribe cornered and beat a tiger to death with sharp rocks and sticks. Were the most deadly, but because of intelligence. Guns, Nukes, Bioweapons etc. None if that is brute strength stuff.
/r/PurplePillDebate16/11/21 01:52 PM
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Were not that strong of a species. Where by far the weakest of our ape cousins. Attractiveness is so weird though, like doesnt life long mammary glands disprove the whole "Female selection" nonesense the red pill goes on about. The only real explanation of why scientist believe womens breast remain enlarged all throughout her life unlike other sexual organs for other species like say Chimps enlarged vaginas, which only swell during mating is enlarged breast are meant to attract mates. If men wer…
/r/PurplePillDebate16/11/21 01:43 PM
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Those societies are that, social constructus. I think if womens attractiveness wasnt in large part based on intellect modern women wouldnt have the same equally comparable intellect to modern men. It would be a trait that wouldnt be selected for, and like the appendix eventually fade away. The fact that modern women are equally comparable to men in intellect shows it was a trait selected for. People forget modern humans are a 100,000 year old species. Most of the socieities youre thinking off we…
/r/PurplePillDebate16/11/21 12:25 PM
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All of these are arbitrary factors youve just decided are whats important
/r/PurplePillDebate16/11/21 12:19 PM
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All that time is a blip in the complete life span of humanity. Modern humans as a species, with all our bells and whistles are about 100,000 years old. Most of those societies dont predate 20,000 years old. Its odd to say "We need to structure society like in the Pre-Renaissance" when that represents far less of what humanity is. Those socieites represent social constructs not biology.
/r/PurplePillDebate16/11/21 12:01 PM
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There is not inbetween of "Women are mentally retarted childten who want to get raped by criminals" and "Women are people". Either someone views women as a diverse group of individuals or they dont.
/r/PurplePillDebate16/11/21 07:48 AM
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Seems like you dont love the woman youre with or any woman youve been with and youre now generslising big time. You and youre partner clearly dont see eye to eye. She wants things like marriage and kids where sex isnt the main goal youre the complete opposite. This isnt a question about women its simply youre with the wrong woman. I know multiple women who never want to get married and would just like to occassionally fuck around forever. If you want to spend youre whole life single with fun dat…
/r/PurplePillDebate16/11/21 07:42 AM
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Are you.... Are you proude of that. Like are you actually saying the indiscriminate murder of millions upon millions of young men was a proud moment for white people? Because ive seen stupid things but this, this is up there.
/r/MGTOW26/10/19 09:13 PM
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Yeah ill clearly admit, i fucked up there.
/r/PurplePillDebate01/06/18 10:10 PM
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Fine then. I concede. Going back and reading through the comments there is multiple points raised of the flawed nature of polygamy/polyandry. Im man enough to admit that. Will it be the future way that we should raise our children personally i think so, I think all the main reasons its so problematic are similar to the reasons why many people view homosexual relationships are problematic, that there are set standards and rolea need to be played and if they arent then the child will experience pr…
/r/PurplePillDebate01/06/18 10:02 PM
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You can, thats what social change is for. Dont slavery get rid of slavery. Dont like misogony get rid of misogony, dont like monarchy get ridnof monarchys. We literally do it all the time.
/r/PurplePillDebate01/06/18 09:49 PM
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The idea of "Social evolution" is an interesting one and probably what lends the least amount of problems to my argument. Again i used the war comparison that choosing independence over community has what has made us as a race develop as quickly as possible. But like i said i have yet to see a proper argument that it is a practice that should still continue and is the video biased? Incredibly so. Is this a bridge im willing to die on, no it is not?.
/r/PurplePillDebate01/06/18 09:47 PM
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I already had the belief mainly derived from position that i held that society can only evolve if we give up pointless barriers that separate us one of those happens concrete and rigid definitions of sex and sexual relationships. I believe this extends to breaking down most forms of competion and an every man for himself ideal long before i watched the video. I also believe it is straight up harmful to society that every child is raised in an environment that forces them to compete with other ch…
/r/PurplePillDebate01/06/18 09:27 PM
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How do you define relationships? This i feel is the fundamental problem of if it isnt monogamy then its nothing.
/r/PurplePillDebate01/06/18 08:44 PM
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That maybe a fundamental shift in society and they way we approach relationships is required. Less emphasis should be placed on One sexual partner = Relationship, maybe a complete change in the way we view relationships one that isnt built towards an ideal of one partner marriage. Also a belief thag children should be raised by multiple people each agreeing to take a significant role in that childs life. There should also be a separation between the action of raising a child to a traditional fam…
/r/PurplePillDebate01/06/18 08:42 PM
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In terms of a source a study comparing the difference in antisocial behaviour between turkish extended and nuclear families: https://tinyurl.com/y9hhwzhl Yeah but social change is a thing, the argument the something is "perfectly workable" and cant be improved seems quite backwards. Imagine all the things people would have said of its fine for me why change it and add all this problems.
/r/PurplePillDebate01/06/18 08:37 PM
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I dont think the traditional family unit is the best say to raise children, there are many collectivist cultures that raise children within a community or extended families with multiple maternal and fraternal units. And in all these cultures there is a significant lowering of unhealthy attachments to specific figures and also a decrease in antisocial behaviour. The reason why its complicated legally and socially is our society is completely set up towards monogamy.
/r/PurplePillDebate01/06/18 08:13 PM
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True but women are also supposed to have multiple sexual partners as well. Both our closest relatives the chimpanzee and bonobo practice this. I belive that it is a combination of landownership gaining of property during the shift from Hunter/Gatheres to farmers and a combination of religion that led to the to the cause of women not being in polygamous relationships.
/r/PurplePillDebate01/06/18 08:07 PM
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But from an evolutionary stand point there is very little desire to care whether a child is yours if you take into account that 90% of our existence as humans was spent as hunter/gatherers this means that in a community there is no benefit to having a child be specifically yours as all children are under your care and protection this only changed when we moved to farming and land/property ownership which when taking into consideration our existence it is very recent.
/r/PurplePillDebate01/06/18 07:43 PM
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Marriage=Monogamy, i dont really believe it means anything anymore apart from what the two people in it agree it does. Human nature and emotions are vague concpets, like stated in the video there are many forms of biological evidence (more correlations ill give you that) that we as humans for 90% of our time on this planet have been polygamous creatures. The reason why there is so much insistence on monogamy which leads to jealousy is mainly due to societal constructs like religion or just norms…
/r/PurplePillDebate01/06/18 07:40 PM
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Civilizations change.
/r/PurplePillDebate01/06/18 07:30 PM
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What rules exactly? Who wrote this rule book on relationships? The only rules to a relationship are the ones placed by the people in them. If a group of 4 people say "We all love spending time together and having sex, why dont we raise a child" Sex, family and relationships arent as intertwinned as monogamy makes them out to be. And also what would the 4 people get jealous about sex? everyone is having sex with everyone? But i do feel there is a relevant argument for time.
/r/PurplePillDebate01/06/18 07:29 PM
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Why? The only issue i can see is society expects children to be raised in monogamous relationships and so children not raised in one would be seen as weird. But thats a society problem not a family problem.
/r/PurplePillDebate01/06/18 07:25 PM
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Well how do you define committed. This is one of the main problems with modern day monogamy, it is mainly defined not by the relationship between two people but the fact they have agreed to not have sex with anyone else. Most forms of polygamy would entail having sex with who ever you want when ever. The by who you want to spend most of your time with, basically you get to have sex with your friend. Most of the benefit im thinking of comes from raising children, imagine a couple of 4 agreeing to…
/r/PurplePillDebate01/06/18 07:16 PM
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True but i view it in the same way as saying if it wasnt for war and mans desire to kill one and other we will never be as technologically advanced as we are now. However i fundamentally believe that time has past and wars are just meaningless now like monogamy.
/r/PurplePillDebate01/06/18 07:09 PM
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Im not entirely sure how to respond to that. I think the only thing i can ask is what is funny or intriguing. But thats kind of useless because every girl is different. Is there a sub where i can have women rate my tinder conversations? And give me advice.
/r/PurplePillDebate31/05/18 05:00 PM
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I realise you might think im talking about it being sad for women, which i agree it is, waking up with your inbox filled with creepy messages from random guys seems horrible. But im actually talking about towards the guy, as somewho has had tinder for 8months and had 5matches, and almost all of them involve me trying incredibly hard to be funny, with responses like "Thats cool" is quite irritating. I mean my best conversation came from a girl who only got tinder recently so never knew she would …
/r/PurplePillDebate31/05/18 04:52 PM
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Thats kind of depressing actually.
/r/PurplePillDebate31/05/18 04:29 PM
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Surely thats not true. I dont have any male or female friends but listening to peoples conversations and watching tv shows/movies, im pretty sure both men and women love sharing jokes about romantic/sexual relationships.
/r/PurplePillDebate31/05/18 01:51 PM
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Someone please explain "enthusiastic consent" to me
/r/PurplePillDebate11/05/18 11:21 AM
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I feel like at this point were just arguing semantics. Nice guy/Incel it can basically mean what ever you want it to. Basically to your point of men feel entitled to sex, many men do behave in the way of "Specific number of good behaviours= Specific sexual favour" and if they dont get that sexual favour they feel betrayed.
/r/PurplePillDebate06/05/18 02:58 PM
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Not really (This is kind of the problem with generalising terms because they group many people under one roof when there are large differences) Many "Nice guys" will get angry at not recieving sex as a reward even after compliments or gifts. But you have to realise the whole "Females should be more transparent of what they want in exchange for sex" is very dumb. You dont expect that from literally any other human interaction yet theres this idea that dating and sex have should have rules. Ive sa…
/r/PurplePillDebate06/05/18 02:27 PM
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Its mainly used as a counter to the "Nice Guy" way of thinking. Various men have this idea that sex is something earnes after a set amount of gifts or gestures made towards a woman, and that it is unfair if women dont give them sex due to all the work theyve put in. It basically comes down to a limited way of understanding human interactions and relationship building. There isnt a set cheat sheet of behaviours that guarantees men sex from women no matter how much they want to think there is.
/r/PurplePillDebate06/05/18 02:08 PM
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Whatever man you do you.
/r/PurplePillDebate01/05/18 09:03 AM
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Ah yes regarding humans as human beings, instead of abitrary rules, creates by nerds on the internet using Biology? As a vague explanation.
/r/PurplePillDebate01/05/18 09:02 AM
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Or you know we can stop treating people like their experiments and just interact with them normally.
/r/PurplePillDebate01/05/18 04:54 AM
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Then make your decision and live with it, either adapt yourself and your way of living or remain the same.
/r/PurplePillDebate01/05/18 04:48 AM
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For evolutionary reasons people like fruit and vegetables with small amount of easily catchable protein like insects and small birds. Biology For capitalist reason people like high glucose/fructose syrup artificially added in food and drinks due to its addictive quality. We also eat like x5 as much fat as we need most of it transfats due to its addictive nature. Social. And what generalizations can you make about food exactly. You can say everone like burgers, sure but what about vegans what abo…
/r/PurplePillDebate01/05/18 04:41 AM
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Because all men are either Chris Hemsworth or Convicted sex offenders. And all women will want kids.
/r/PurplePillDebate01/05/18 01:34 AM
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There are multiple things wrong with your argument first of all your collecting data through self report which is always unreliable due to social desirability bias but also "chris hemsworth or convicted sex criminals" meaning its practically pointelss. However the major problem is that you view behaviour as largely biologicaly deterministic, that attraction is only based on our evoloutionary history of intersexual selection, this no matter how you look at it is just not true, sure there can be a…
/r/PurplePillDebate01/05/18 01:31 AM
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So what your saying is You want to give your opinion on a subject based on data youve collected that can be scrutinized. Sure man you do you.
/r/PurplePillDebate30/04/18 12:48 PM
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I understand how it helps make general statements about most people but how is that useful. How have general statements about groups of people ever benefited that group and others through out history. Because as An Autistic Immigrant African from a poor social background, i fail to see how making generalizeable statments about groups has a positive influence.
/r/PurplePillDebate30/04/18 12:44 PM
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Heres the thing I do Alevel Psychology which is incredibly rudimentary and simple and even then i can explain to you a range of biological, social and cognitive factors that determine attarction. Theres the biological approach of Ansiogamy and Intra/Intersexual selection behaviour. Theres the Social Penetration theory of self disclosure, Theres the Halo effect and The matching hypothesis theory all based on physical attraction. Theres Filter theory, Theres social exchange theory, Theres Equity t…
/r/PurplePillDebate30/04/18 12:10 PM
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This is a joke right? Like your trolling me right now.
/r/PurplePillDebate30/04/18 11:58 AM
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You can, but for the purposes of most discussions about specific behaviours, especially attraction and relationships in general not only is it pointless ita downright dumb.
/r/PurplePillDebate30/04/18 11:24 AM
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More likely doesnt mean generaliseable. It just increases the average, then you have to take into account various individual differences. Someone gaming for a long time might see GTAV as boring or just average, maybe they dont like the genre,too many systems at play, maybe they only like narrative games, or JRPGs because they grew up playing those. Maybe they only got GTA because their friends had it. Maybe they played GTA once thought it was fun and never touched it again. For movies its the sa…
/r/PurplePillDebate30/04/18 11:11 AM
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Never said it was useful. Just explaining my theory. If you disagree with it, then you do you.
/r/PurplePillDebate30/04/18 11:10 AM
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Then i am going to fundamentally disagree with you.
/r/PurplePillDebate30/04/18 11:09 AM
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Not really, unless you define limited as every single feeling, thought and person.
/r/PurplePillDebate30/04/18 11:08 AM
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Im not saying its impossible to not put people into categories im saying it is almost completely pointless to use those categories to try an explain any wider trend or behaviour in a group of people, because almost all the time when studies are conducted they are correlational (so no cause and effect can be concluded) and are based on self report (so lack validity and are affected by bias). I can find a study that says "teenange girls trying to find their identity dye their hair and go into art"…
/r/PurplePillDebate30/04/18 11:05 AM
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Welcome to life.
/r/PurplePillDebate30/04/18 10:18 AM
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Please explain this metaphor.
/r/PurplePillDebate30/04/18 09:17 AM
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Sure but you can say that for literally any behaviour. The most popular game of all time is GTAV does that mean everyone who likes games loves GTAV. The MCU is the most profitable movie franchise of all time, does that mean everyone who likes movies loves marvel movies. Just because a behaviour has broad appeal doesnt mean its reflective and generaliseable to everyone in that group.
/r/PurplePillDebate30/04/18 09:17 AM
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So your telling me as i grow up i will find out that 3.25billion people that all have a wide range of backgrounds and experiences will be easily generaliseable into set characteristics and behaviours. I find that very unlikely.
/r/PurplePillDebate30/04/18 09:09 AM
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As an autist myself its pretty hard.
/r/PurplePillDebate30/04/18 08:48 AM
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Im guessing this is joking.
/r/PurplePillDebate30/04/18 08:47 AM
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So do men. Everyone does. The person you were 10yrs ago and the person you are now are different.
/r/PurplePillDebate30/04/18 08:08 AM
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Never said it was offensive? Or womens prefernces are equally or randomly distributed, every woman (person really) is different meaning no matter how hard you try if its always a self report study you cant generalise behaviour. You can say what you want in a woman and hope youll find a woman who will do it for you or you can adapt yourself. Personally i dont believe anyone of those is better or worse.
/r/PurplePillDebate30/04/18 07:55 AM
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Boy do i know it.
/r/PurplePillDebate30/04/18 07:47 AM
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Then dump her or dont. Relationships arent rule based no matter how much we like to think they are. Either you adapt yourself to the needs of your SO, she adapts herself to you or yoh both change for each other. If you find what she did so important then make that decision and live with the consequences.
/r/PurplePillDebate30/04/18 07:07 AM
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Thats why i came up with a counter theory. Different men Want different things With different people At different times. And generalising people into specific behaviours and categories makes no sense.
/r/PurplePillDebate30/04/18 06:26 AM
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http://uk.businessinsider.com/why-are-moms-obsessed-with-minions-2015-6
/r/PurplePillDebate27/04/18 12:48 PM
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Thats interesting, i never realised there is a wine mum subset of mothers i kind of just assume all moms are wine moms. However i dont think it completely disregards what im saying.
/r/PurplePillDebate27/04/18 12:18 PM
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I feel like at this point your making claims about me some are correct; yes i am immature, i dont understand relationships, i dont understand people i barely understand communication, thats why concepts like RMV and SMV are confusing to me, they seem rather reductive classifying the concept of relationships and grouping people into values seems wrong, because correct me if in wrong arent relationships about two people who adapt change and alter themselves due to the strong attraction they feel f…
/r/PurplePillDebate14/04/18 09:55 PM
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I dont understand, are you disagreeing, agreeing or making a completely different point? All im saying is i find human interaction complicated and scary, however i still desire the act of sex. Your discussing complex facets or relationships between men and women that in all honesty i cant wrap my head around.
/r/PurplePillDebate14/04/18 09:04 PM
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Just look at any instagram post of a horny girl, even in this very sub. I see many people saying how meaningless sex is seen as a negative.
/r/PurplePillDebate13/04/18 06:46 PM
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This is probably a childish and immature thing to say, but whats wrong with that people like sex but getting to know people is really hard and stressful, having conversations is really hard and stressful. If two people consent thats really all that matters. Tue very definition of treating someone like a fellow human being is so vague. I barely talk to my family that doesnt mean i love them any less than you love yours.
/r/PurplePillDebate13/04/18 06:36 PM
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As someone who mostly identifies as an incel emotionally but not mentally. In the least cringy way i can say this Im pretty sure i find butch women just as attractive if not more than women who display more traditional feminine qualities. However you have to take into account the fact that I have no romantic or sexual experiences so my own attraction is mainly based on whether I can hypothetically imagine a scenario where i can actually date these women and for women who display more masculine c…
/r/PurplePillDebate03/04/18 06:56 AM
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