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I'd say any good social justice policy should lift all boats.
/r/LeftWingMaleAdvocates06/09/23 05:29 AM
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Ah OK so "incel" is a case where it'll be important to separate the original concept, "involuntarily celibate", with a specific group, "incels". With stuff like this, it's often simply a description, but then some people more obsessed/fixated with the concept start to cluster it into a label, claim the label as a personal identity, and then people who get fed up with them use that label in a derogatory fashion. See also: - "Nice Guy" - "Social Justice Warrior" - "Woke" These do not refer to "guy…
/r/LeftWingMaleAdvocates03/09/23 07:57 PM
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Awesome! Hopefully this becomes more normal. I feel like people are open to the discussion normally, but with politics, will harden themselves against it as a reactionary response.
/r/LeftWingMaleAdvocates21/08/23 08:13 PM
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It's funny, because we like to talk about how puritanical we are as a society when it comes to nudity, sexuality, etc. Always under the idea that it is literally puritanical. That is, originating for the puritans. But honestly there is little more puritanical than equating sexualization with sexual objectification, and then proceeding to demonize sexualization itself as inherently degrading and disrespectful. And it makes me wonder how "sexualized = degraded" is supposed to encourage the sexual …
/r/LeftWingMaleAdvocates09/06/23 03:21 AM
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Then, I recommend also checking out r/FeMRADebates if cross-linking is allowed. But yeah, I've always stood in this place of frustration of watching feminists and MRAs despise one another when they are basically arguing for the same stuff. It's their narratives that clash, not their values. I never really dropped many of my feminist critiques of society. The only difference is that I didn't change how I applied it when I looked at men. I always disliked oppressor/oppressed narratives because you…
/r/LeftWingMaleAdvocates03/06/23 03:19 AM
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Well I wouldn't so much say it's a lack of support at the ballot box. It's the lack of options on this particular issue. Your choices are basically regressivism or academic feminism. Most people who advocate for gender rights will vote for the latter. This was one reason I was a fan of Andrew Yang. He's a left-winger who had no issues calling out issues of men and boys. I think what we need are questions in debates about the decline of boys, male loneliness, and stuff like that. That would force…
/r/LeftWingMaleAdvocates13/04/23 05:25 PM
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AI isn't trained for this sort of logical analysis, per se. It is essentially trained to give you the most likely response you would receive for a given prompt. We have to do more research before we can really consider training models on advanced tool usage and how it would inter-link these things. It's why we consider something like GPT way different from AGI. So what you are seeing is not an actual analysis of the topics themselves, but basically a summary of the general consensus of the train…
/r/LeftWingMaleAdvocates13/04/23 04:59 PM
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Seeking equality for women takes all the oxygen away from seeking equality away for men. I'd be wary of zero-sum thinking though. Done right, gender equality is positive-sum. Unless you meant this in rhetoric. Like "people tend to use women's issues to suck the oxygen out of men's issues." I explained on AskFeminism that trying to separate men's issues and women's issues and tackle only one at a time is like trying to un-stir coffee. Though I guess they gave me a permanent ban 10 minutes later. …
/r/LeftWingMaleAdvocates20/01/23 07:07 AM
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Yep. Yes. I feel like this is one of the big motivations for this sub. I hate taking sides. I hate shutting off ideas. I hate looking for conspiracy. I hate focusing on bad news and treating good news as a threat. I'm just sick of it all. Like why can't we just let research and numbers speak for themselves? And withhold drawing conclusions until we have actually researched the topic, and then abandon loyalties to a particular conclusion if that conclusion is found to be wrong? Like with crime. Y…
/r/LeftWingMaleAdvocates17/10/22 06:13 PM
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Perhaps. Or better yet might be extending their mandatory training to women as well. My understanding is that the mandatory training has a great number of social benefits and is why some countries have kept them, despite being progressive. Perhaps we can form a good alternative. For instance, in many cases, rich and poor alike must inhabit the same places and receive the training. There was an article talking about this in the UK, that it puts everyone on an even keel. Another is that the bonds …
/r/LeftWingMaleAdvocates12/10/22 03:30 PM
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Fair enough!
/r/LeftWingMaleAdvocates11/10/22 11:04 AM
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I could never tell, really. He had a tendency to create trolling posts that basically made perfect canon fodder for people skeptical of men's issues. And we have to be concerned about PR for men's issues. I mean he was one of the guys I would watch when I was down the rabbit hole, and the first one I stopped following as I climbed myself out. Same with Thunderf00t and manwomanmyth. I tended to lean more on the Warren Farrell side of things. My big names were Warren Farrell, Glen Poole, Peter Mar…
/r/LeftWingMaleAdvocates10/10/22 11:11 PM
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Some I have that are easier said than done that I'll have to work on, myself. - Find things that interest you and find a group that does them. - Reconnect with friends and try to turn some friends-of-friends into new friends. - Try to limit internet time. Socializing on the internet is easy but less fulfilling and doesn't help with charisma and social cues. Having the constant easy dopamine hit makes it hard to convince your brain to do something else. In my case, it's youtube, porn, and writing…
/r/LeftWingMaleAdvocates10/10/22 10:43 PM
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Yes, this is the EXACT kind of advocacy I'm here for. Women are seen as products of their environment, men are seen as the cause of their own environment. So we see a homeless woman and think "How did society do this?" We see a homeless man and think "How could he do this to himself". See Peter Marin's "Jill gets welfare, Jack becomes homeless"
/r/LeftWingMaleAdvocates01/10/22 08:13 AM
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Yup. Gotta turn in my man card. I no longer meet the qualifications for being an adult male. I know how I can re-earn it. Instead of a nearly 500HP car that accelerates without whining about it, I need to swap it out for a 250HP truck that shatters windows when it has to go up to 10MPH, and add an off-roading package that I wouldn't dare take off-road. It's also weird, because I live in the city, but it's in a conservative state. Does this mean I have to jack up my car 5' and add thicker tires, …
/r/LeftWingMaleAdvocates29/09/22 03:38 AM
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Yeah that's definitely fair. It's not like these guys were above criticism, or that men didn't have expectations. I'd say the main point is that, at the time, you probably weren't judged as a man based on the ridiculous arbitrary things it has gotten to these days. Like I've gotten shit for driving an EV and drinking wine instead of beer. Ah yes, because if my ethanol is fermented from grapes instead of barley, my balls are going to shrivel up.
/r/LeftWingMaleAdvocates29/09/22 03:03 AM
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Wait..so.....you're saying a partner shouldn't want you...they should just be stuck with you out of necessity?
/r/LeftWingMaleAdvocates26/09/22 03:59 PM
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"I am confused about what it means to be a man." You are in a large population of good company, there. "What does it mean to be a man these days?" We're basically stuck between the rigid conservatism of the modern past and an indeterminate future. To be raised like we're going to see a war and feel worthless when it doesn't arrive. To live like we have to prove ourselves but feeling we have no means to do so. Not having a distinct point at which society has determined "you are now a man." I thin…
/r/LeftWingMaleAdvocates26/09/22 08:35 AM
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Power hierarchies are natural and self organizing structures in any society. A friend of mine once made a good point about this. "The funny thing about anarchy is that we kind of are an anarchy. It's just that in an anarchy, humans choose to organize in these particular ways." But yeah, the history of a society contributes to its stability. If you simply eliminate the existing system, the new system you replace it with will be unstable. It's how I felt with things like the Zeitgest Movement whic…
/r/LeftWingMaleAdvocates22/09/22 06:59 AM
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"I consider myself to be nominally feminist depending on the circle I'm moving in." I think I've found a definition that suits your needs and saves some headaches. Simply put, I say that I "am feminist" (adjective), but not that I'm "A feminist" (noun). To make it more clear when asked, I say "I'm generally feminist". I align with many of the ideas and goals, and it's a big portion of what got me into men's issues. But I don't like declaring allegiance to a movement or specific group. It creates…
/r/LeftWingMaleAdvocates22/09/22 06:47 AM
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I'd imaging back in the days of "becoming a man" rituals, this would have been the cutoff point. Bit it's still weird and I'm not a fan. This was also the thing that made me REALLY like Meera Reed in Game of Thrones. Bran finds it weird that a girl is protecting a boy, but she doesn't see an issue with it, and Jojen isn't considered less because of it. We're a society. Protection in a society comes from collective action, not genders. Guys need protection the same as women.
/r/LeftWingMaleAdvocates22/09/22 06:15 AM
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YES. OMG the top post explained EXACTLY some of the stuff I've posted about here. Especially with regards to clothing options. And "not having ways of practicing passive sexuality" YES I love this term! Like I love being appreciated for personality traits, but there's always a fear that all my desirability will disappear the moment I drop the act. That I don't have passive redeeming features, but only a personality that has to be maintained at all times.
/r/LeftWingMaleAdvocates15/09/22 07:07 AM
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Ah OK. Well it's good to know it isn't the field as a whole. I don't have a thing against social science in concept, I just want good social science. Especially when it comes to talking about actual social design, and especially in racial and gender issues. I don't really see who the "narrative first" mentality benefits beyond simply an activist journalist group justifying its continued relevance. Acknowledging male suicide on its own merits, for instance, rather than making it all about the pat…
/r/LeftWingMaleAdvocates14/09/22 04:21 PM
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Precisely. Though I would emphasize my example less, because this was several years ago and I don't have my old class files anymore to reference. But yeah, it was basically taking something that was rather obvious, and translating it into something that further reinfornces the narrative. Essentially, liking nice people became misogynistic because they needed something to be misogynistic. And were the content true, and women had different responses to men, that is clearly where the problem would …
/r/LeftWingMaleAdvocates13/09/22 09:47 PM
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This reminds me of in college when girls in one of the LGBT ally groups talked about how "p*ssy" is an insult. "Ugh. I still don't believe men use women's genitalia as an insult!" "Yeah, they're such dicks. Like what an arbitrary thing to use as an insult" and I couldn't believe that what I was hearing wasn't intentional irony. I've brought this up before and have usually been met the the counterargument that "Well dick isn't an insult. That's the difference." Wut. Maybe in your world. But in my…
/r/LeftWingMaleAdvocates13/09/22 05:02 PM
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I could write a whole article on She-Hulk. It really annoys me that people tie acknowledgement of women's issues to acceptance of a specific show or movie. I'm well aware of the issues she monologues about, and I do try to act and vote accordingly with these things in consideration. But when your most creative method for portraying these issues is to literally halt the story, say "And this, kids, is why sexism is bad!", then resume, boy does it feel condescending. Especially when you do so as a …
/r/LeftWingMaleAdvocates13/09/22 12:24 AM
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Better yet, use something like TOR browser to anonymize yourself, or search on DuckDuckGo.
/r/LeftWingMaleAdvocates13/09/22 12:19 AM
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Hopefully there's a similar trend amongst women as well. I like to think of how much better feminism would be if it were actually moderated. My whole interest in men's issues came from being feminist earlier on. Basically, some kind of moderation would essentially "shave the crazy off the top". So we would still see support for many of the core women's issues, but the "AC is misogynist" type stuff would be called out as dumb within their own demographic for once. And maybe we can actually get a …
/r/LeftWingMaleAdvocates13/09/22 12:18 AM
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I'd say one thing for certain, I feel like it's less about the method of "sexual politics", but more about stability. Basically everything dysfunctional regarding sexuality comes from scarcity and instability. And from what I can tell, there isn't a "one size fits all" solution, nor is there a "single nature" to human sexuality. Though across all, we do tend towards being "monogamish". But more than anything, we're adaptable, and can turn any social concept into instinct. So in hunter-gatherer g…
/r/LeftWingMaleAdvocates07/09/22 05:57 AM
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One reason I left that group. It was one of those groups where every sentence had to be followed by an apology or disclaimer for questioning dogma. "Sorry. I don't meant to be obtuse. But I wanted to talk about how while men are blamed for the evils in the world (rightly so and we totally deserve it), maybe all of us, in some way, contribute. This can include women (But not all women. Not even most. Maybe like 2. Remembering that misogyny probably created it in the first place and was caused by …
/r/LeftWingMaleAdvocates06/09/22 01:23 PM
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Yeah, I'd say where possible, deWaal is a better base source than Christopher Ryan. deWaal is more of an animal scientist. Ryan is more of a sociologist/psychologist pulling a very specific personal premise from his research. But an interesting one nonetheless.
/r/LeftWingMaleAdvocates15/08/22 06:53 AM
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Here's the specific video that originally got me intrigued by the topic. You could say it was the "click" video. https://www.facebook.com/watch/?v=1369092533166182 Bought Sex at Dawn by he and his wife, Cacilda. Based on essentially his PhD thesis. Got a pretty good idea of the arguments he makes, as well as counter-arguments. But the big thing is that it is a debate between monogamy and polyamory. Polygyny, in either case, is relegated to more of a situational circumstance that requires a lot o…
/r/LeftWingMaleAdvocates15/08/22 06:49 AM
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I don't know much about any of these current events except for the Jordan Peterson stuff. I'm 31 and started following where these groups were coming from starting at around 20. So this was before "Inc*l", "R*dPill", "Bl*ckpill" and others. (Sorry if the asterisks are cringe. I would just rather not show up in searches for these terms when using them all together like this.) But yeah, Absolutely the #1 reason I saw these groups pop up was because nobody else was even acknowledging the issue. A l…
/r/LeftWingMaleAdvocates14/08/22 06:23 PM
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I've never really actually browsed that subreddit. But I have to hold myself back from engaging because I feel like I will be perma-banned on my very first comment. Especially because someone brought up the topic of men's vs women's clothing options. And it appears the person posting was smacked in every direction for suggesting such a thing.
/r/LeftWingMaleAdvocates13/08/22 08:01 PM
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Well I'm also on r/dataisbeautiful so you probably already know how I feel about getting stats for this. I'd love to keep getting updated stats on this in order to generate some graphs to see if there is any other interesting info, and to have a more reliable dataset that isn't from the COVID era, since that would obviously be biased against promiscuity. But also I do like data that counters the redpill narrative. And it's a little nice to know that, as a 30-year-old virgin, I'm not that rare an…
/r/LeftWingMaleAdvocates10/08/22 03:36 AM
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I think in part it's about the hook. I often tell people that if you are trying to convince other people of your viewpoint, you don't just blast your point louder and harder. Instead, you have to start with their viewpoint and work it backwards. That way you are offering a hand rather than building a wall. The Left these days absolutely sucks at this, TBH. For instance "Why are we helping these children in Africa when we have homeless SOLDIERS in our own borders?" Instead of jumping at them with…
/r/LeftWingMaleAdvocates29/07/22 11:30 PM
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I wish Reddit would allow images in posts for this reason. Then it would be easier to do this. And ideally, if they don't have to take their post down, you shouldn't have to take yours down. But unfortunately things aren't exactly ideal in this regard. So if you want additional clarity, I would go with the double-image approach if you can still edit the OP. And additionally if you do edit it, you can make me look like an idiot complaining about nothing. lol. At least until I add an additional he…
/r/LeftWingMaleAdvocates29/07/22 11:09 PM
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I have a quick suggestion for this to help keep this along the lines of the general vibe of the group. And to avoid making it look like you're breaking rule #5 at first glance. I would edit the image so that the original image is included to the left of it. Or upload both images, putting the original image first and your response second. Maybe with an additional header "if that's fine, then would something like this be fine?" There's a problem with men's advocacy groups where calling out a doubl…
/r/LeftWingMaleAdvocates29/07/22 10:51 PM
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It’s ironic because these tend to be people who talk about mental health and encourage men to open up about their feelings; implying that everybody hurts and that there’s nothing wrong with being fragile. But then when us men do open about our feelings, such as our feelings on these vile generalizations, the typical reaction is along the lines of “boo-hoo, men’s feelings are hurt” and insulting men for having “fragile masculinity “, even if they were encouraging men to open up about their strugg…
/r/LeftWingMaleAdvocates29/07/22 09:51 PM
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Yeah this is an issue I have with cultural Marxism. Marxism's class warfare works with economic classes in the case of large economic disparities because the disparity in power is clear and pretty much all-encompassing. Race less so. Gender quite a bit less so. I consider the class-warfare argument to be more of a last resort in extreme cases, rather than something you can brush over any place where you see a disparity in power. Though your initial comparison sounds familiar for another reason. …
/r/LeftWingMaleAdvocates27/07/22 04:01 AM
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"As to weather they get valid support is still a toss up" This is a big one. I feel like almost the entirety of the darker internet "manosphere" trends come from guys who got some really bad support, advice, narratives from people trying to sell them a book or product. Why help men, if you can use their vulnerability to sell product? But yeah, my dad had a few issues I tried to help him sort out when he would talk about them. He started dating a woman who made much more than him, and he kept fee…
/r/LeftWingMaleAdvocates16/07/22 10:45 PM
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In case any of you haven't seen it already. Honestly, I feel like shoe is an honorary LWMA. I encourage you to read the comments. I know how YouTube comments can be. But what got me was just how many guys were coming forward about similar experiences they had as children. It had me reflecting on some experiences I had, albeit as an adult. I can only imagine how it was for younger victims.
/r/LeftWingMaleAdvocates16/07/22 10:40 PM
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Oh wow! I hear stories like yours and it makes me thankful my home life was relatively stable. My mom had some less-than-savory experiences with men and some of it bled through, but that was about it. I also hear ASD can be a real beast when socializing. Stuff like this is exactly why there needs to be so much more discussion about men's mental health. I mean it's easy for people to point to men telling boys to "man up", but "man up" is often more than two words. What stings more is women callin…
/r/LeftWingMaleAdvocates11/07/22 04:40 AM
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"circumstantial paralysis" Damn, I need to use that more. But yeah, I think the whole "incel" thing is the result of a loneliness epidemic, too much male agency having people view these issues as entirely self-inflicted, and then the wrong people actually acknowledging the issue and swooping in with their toxic advice. More or less Trump's model of winning working-class votes. Acknowledge the poor that the rest of Congress doesn't acknowledge, and then tell them "The Mexicans Did It" and watch t…
/r/LeftWingMaleAdvocates11/07/22 01:36 AM
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I mean if they were talking about things like the "male gaze", I think they're hearing the wrong thing from it. (Side note, when I hear "Male Gaze" I like to say "Male Gays? Where? Are they cute?") The goal is to make men thirsty and frustrated, and women insecure or confused. And then to address neither of these but instead offer their products. It's why you'll almost always see women modeling for products aimed at both men and women. 2 birds with 1 stone. Happy people don't need to buy much. I…
/r/LeftWingMaleAdvocates11/07/22 01:04 AM
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An interesting point. Apparently we have an easier general acceptance of each other which seems REALLY WEIRD to me as there's always dudebros gatekeeping masculinity. But if you have read "Self-made man" by Norah Vincent, she lived as a man for several months, and this was something she noticed right away. She noticed that when she would join male groups, there was a special ease of hopping in and feeling welcome. But then there was this certain arms' length they would keep each other at. Sort o…
/r/LeftWingMaleAdvocates06/07/22 03:56 PM
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I'm not sure if this is how things actually went in Sweden, but here's my understanding of an issue I think they tackled well. Basically, they saw disparities in wages for the same jobs between genders. In the Anglosphere (US, UK, Australia), this seems to be where analysis stops. But from what I understand, Sweden continued further. They found that companies were more weary of hiring women in higher positions because they could be taken out for months by maternity leave. Or perhaps to some leve…
/r/LeftWingMaleAdvocates06/07/22 01:13 AM
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Yeah. I've been stuck single for ages partially on the insecurity that I feel like "Love is that weird period of time between meeting someone and them collecting enough evidence to prove you're the villain". I don't like typing that because it's not the kind of self-talk I want to have. But I think this came from movies. The woman is always inherently desirable, and the guy is always having to apologize in the end. I'm not going to make too much of a comparison between black men's issues and my …
/r/LeftWingMaleAdvocates06/07/22 12:49 AM
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This past year was my first year voting blue. I voted green prior to that and libertarian prior to that.
/r/LeftWingMaleAdvocates19/05/22 10:25 AM
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I mean honestly as someone who has been following this stuff since 2009, it seems like things have calmed down a bit in recent years. Like back in 2011, there is no way I could have pictured the popular support for Johnny Depp and Brendan Frasier going the way it has. That year, I told a friend of mine that "it's amazing she can have such a stressful day and still manage to keep her chin up" and received death threats from her friends, false accusations, and could have been expelled under Title …
/r/LeftWingMaleAdvocates19/05/22 06:22 AM
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Yeah this was honestly how it felt like the alt-right was trying to nab me back around 2010. Maybe it would have worked if I wasn't already an atheist, followed the Zeitgeist movement, and at least half my friends LGBT. But I can see how if you hadn't thought about these things much before, you could get sucked in. So in that case I tend to empathize with some people who got dragged into shitty movements because nobody offered a better alternative.
/r/LeftWingMaleAdvocates19/05/22 05:35 AM
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YES. The right-wing so-called "men's movement" is often saying shit like "Men should be allowed to shut up and get back to work. Women should be allowed to shut up and get back in the kitchen. We were all happier when we stuck to our God-given roles." I love the "we were happier" argument. Like ffs who was happier? People who already fit this mold? I'm sure everyone was happier if you only exclude the ones who weren't.
/r/LeftWingMaleAdvocates19/05/22 05:29 AM
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I would say the current style of men's movement was started by Warren Farrell, who is a therapist, was a rather high-ranking feminist activist, and certainly on the left. I remember following some of his stuff. I disagreed with many points he makes in things like "Why men are the way they are", but he still does it from more of an empathetic tone and not one that demonizes women or the left. But what sucked was watching it get essentially hijacked by this almost alt-right-style regressivism and …
/r/LeftWingMaleAdvocates19/05/22 05:20 AM
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The Dems are still the better choice in the long run, considering how awful the alternative is. Man stuff like this is why I'm glad this group exists. Being able to acknowledge how Democrats and pop-left ignore these issues, while still acknowledging that the Republican party is completely insane and not worth voting for. Republican is the only party I haven't voted for at some point in my life.
/r/LeftWingMaleAdvocates19/05/22 04:39 AM
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Totally agreed. Once I got fed up with labels I just kinda learned into it. It makes it easier to argue certain points with people who would otherwise disagree with your label. Or by having a bit of both, you can use the "I'm one of you" method to get your point across, and using guess a sort of no-true-scotsman fallacy actually works to some effect.This is admittedly a tad manipulative, but it seems to work a bit better as an argumentation method. So for instance, i often say that I AM feminist…
/r/LeftWingMaleAdvocates17/05/22 08:06 PM
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There's a lot to talk about with the nature vs nurture of it all. In the nature vs nurture debates, humans lean more "nurture" than essentially every animal on the planet. It's why we have an enormous brain with extreme neuroplasticity and an enormous prefrontal cortex. We were successful because we could just make up our own "nature" as needed. What I can say is that, as I understand it, humans have one of the highest female libidos relative to males. Probably related to our bonobo-like ancesto…
/r/LeftWingMaleAdvocates15/05/22 07:36 AM
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Had a professor almost 80. Had 3 heart attacks during my semester, out of the 10 or so he had in total. Ultimately decided to leave halfway through the semester, because the whole "being dead" thing makes it hard to show up on a regular schedule.
/r/LeftWingMaleAdvocates10/05/22 10:19 PM
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Whoa. I swear I want to move to Europe. There are so many things where you just kind of......get humanity. Like "These are homo sapiens. This is how they behave." Besides being more socially expressive, America basically has no idea what the human animal is. Like I'm pretty sure the only reason we have social security is that our government is mostly super old people. Otherwise, the argument would basically be "why should we support old people? That would be a burden on the economy." In fact, th…
/r/LeftWingMaleAdvocates10/05/22 10:14 PM
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Yes exactly. The most strict options often have the most simple rules. Look at all the rules for western dress codes for women. Women's dress codes in peak Taliban? Just 1. Wear Burqa.
/r/LeftWingMaleAdvocates10/05/22 07:02 PM
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YES. Though I might make a post on cases where men went against the narrative and it went well. Like Katniss being more than willing to give her life to save Peeta, while Peeta was treated as an actual victim and worthy of rescue. That made me so happy. Because portraying powerful women usually came at the expense of claiming men were irrelevant, or her having to save a woman because "who could empathize with a man who needs rescue?" A big thing for me is female villains. Women who are villains …
/r/LeftWingMaleAdvocates09/05/22 10:36 PM
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I once knew a girl in pre-med who said her goal in life was to make an outpatient procedure to be able to donate an egg and have it fertilize another egg. Interesting stuff. But her reasoning was that "Then we can finally render men unnecessary, prevent male births, and finally wipe men off the face of the Earth." Like goddamn. Chill out there, Himmler. But if that's all it takes in her mind to render men unnecessary, the argument goes both ways. If you can do one, it stands to reason you can do…
/r/LeftWingMaleAdvocates09/05/22 09:59 PM
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Sorry if wrong kind of post delete if necessary This is absolutely a topic we love around here. I know we harp on feminists around here, but I think a lot of us learned to view the subjective experience of gender from feminists. And it's like they get really close on many things, but have gaping blind spots and an "us vs them" mentality that keeps them from applying their same reasoning to men. Or in the case of TERFs, to anyone assigned male at birth. So like we could talk about the epidemic of…
/r/LeftWingMaleAdvocates09/05/22 09:08 PM
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Whoa. Thanks for the info! Yeah my example was a tad simplistic compared to this. It was mostly pulling from Sapolsky's talk about how hormonal interactions are multi-faceted. Another ye brought up was that oxytocin makes you bond more......to your in-group. Its also associated with more apathy towards out-groups. But it's crazy to hear just how many seemingly unrelated things these hormones affect. I had no idea about spatial abilities and anti-depressant properties.
/r/LeftWingMaleAdvocates06/05/22 02:55 PM
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Yeah I meant to make a point similar to this. I didn't have the info to back it up. Thanks for the conbribution.
/r/LeftWingMaleAdvocates06/05/22 03:13 AM
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Oh shoot I forgot to bring up that point. The biggest pro-lifer on the SCOTUS is a woman. The arguably craziest right-winger in the house is Marjorie Taylor Greene. Had a bit more on that. I could edit it, but I'm lazy. EDIT: OK tweaked it to at least add in the point.
/r/LeftWingMaleAdvocates06/05/22 03:10 AM
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Yep. Basically women have agency unless they use that agency to be the "bad guy", then it's a matter of who the nearest man is. Dropping agency the moment it's inconvenient. Most pro-lifers I know are women, and they have a similar frustration. Treating the issue not as an ongoing debate about the ethics of abortion, but viewing it primarily as men controlling women. And in my case, the main two pro-lifers in my life are in my family, and when they say pro-life, they actually mean it. They also …
/r/LeftWingMaleAdvocates05/05/22 10:58 PM
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Yeah this is what bothers me. It isn't that women are more meek and cautious, per se. It's that they get to be. They can be coy or shy and that's just fine. Many people would choose that as an option most of the time, and leave the risk-taking to more dire circumstances. I mean I'm not going to outright act like this is the only reason for male risk-taking. Nor do I wish to portray risk-taking as bad. But modern men have to make more balanced approaches, and this is thwarted by us needing to be …
/r/LeftWingMaleAdvocates05/05/22 10:33 PM
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We've all heard the narrative lately. "Pro-life is just a thing men invented to control women's bodies." I feel like that's a distraction from the real conversation. Finding a bogeyman to pin things on so it's easier to understand. It ignores the many, many pro-life women out there and dismisses their agency. It ignores the many, many men like myself who are pro-choice or at the very least, believe this isn't a conversation that can be ended and settled by a top-down restriction. Historically, w…
/r/LeftWingMaleAdvocates05/05/22 10:13 PM
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Yeah. I mean it's obviously true, but you still rarely see "that poor man's life was ruined". You're probably more likely to hear "Eh....probably would have done it anyway." At least the Depp and Fraser stuff gives me a glimmer of hope.
/r/LeftWingMaleAdvocates04/05/22 02:13 AM
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Imagine the trauma. I was falsely accused about a decade ago, but security and numerous professors took my side. And that STILL messes with me. I'm able to be friendly with just about anyone but kinda freak out at taking things in a romantic direction because I feel like I can't trust my own instincts. People act like things were "corrected" in stuff like this, but he's going to need a lot of therapy and this will still leave a scar for the rest of his life.
/r/LeftWingMaleAdvocates04/05/22 02:11 AM
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Yeah, honestly I don't like either/or talk in general and only see gray. But yeah I generally only see this used one way. If people see a couple abusing each other, they're quick to say "He is abusing her because he is an abusive asshole" and "She is only abusing him because he's probably an abusive asshole and deserves it." Like, they'll say "It is only the fault of the one who raised their hand"....unless it was the woman who first raised her hand. Physical abuse shouldn't be blame-shifted. Ve…
/r/LeftWingMaleAdvocates28/04/22 07:49 AM
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Yeah I believe they're required to pay them. So I believe they pay them like a buck an hour or something.
/r/LeftWingMaleAdvocates17/04/22 09:19 AM
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Especially here in the US, where we have private prisons. Private prisons profit off of putting their prisoners to work. So they have every incentive to keep prisoners in for excessive sentences, and keep them coming back. And almost no incentive to rehabilitate them. Most private prisons are overcrowded and understaffed. Yet, we've had private prisons sue the government for "not providing enough prisoners", and funding politicians who believe that harsher sentences mean lower crime. A private p…
/r/LeftWingMaleAdvocates17/04/22 03:48 AM
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If anything, it seems like being anti PUA is the correct position. Elliot didn't hate PUAs for treating women badly though, he was mad that the PUAs were getting laid as well as at the women sleeping with them. Oh right. I probably should have put additional quotes around "anti-PUAs", since "anti-PUAs" are not "the opposite of PUAs". Self-proclaimed "anti-PUAs" basically believe the same narrative as PUAs, and then essentially reject their response to it. For instance, the narrative of women con…
/r/LeftWingMaleAdvocates08/04/22 08:20 PM
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I just don't like how when talking about paleolithic people or hunter-gatherers, talk of their relative egalitarianism is shut down. On r/AskAnthropology, someone asked about "examples where communism worked". So I discussed hunter-gatherers, since they practice essentially no ownership of anything, and insist on sharing everything. And I brought up several examples of "fierce egalitarianism" they are known for. I supplied examples and mentioned what tribes these things were observed in as well …
/r/LeftWingMaleAdvocates08/04/22 08:01 PM
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"The #1 rule of fight club: Don't talk about fight club." But yeah, that's petty much what it is. That "men don't have problems", because if you have issues, you no longer count as "real men", so your issues don't count as men's issues. Or as Peter Marin put it "To put it simply: men are neither supposed nor allowed to be dependent. They are expected to take care of others and themselves. And when they cannot or will not do it, then the assumption at the heart of the culture is that they are som…
/r/LeftWingMaleAdvocates08/04/22 05:45 AM
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It's basically a problem I see crop up in several different social justice groups in people with a particular set of personality traits or a certain headspace. That is, while many people in said groups are just there to support resolving the issues, the "Karens" of those groups are less interested in actual solutions, and are more interested in assigning blame. In many cases, there is a personal need to actually languish in the issues, because that justifies the blame, which is the real motivati…
/r/LeftWingMaleAdvocates08/04/22 05:37 AM
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Yeah I've heard both from my own therapist and men's therapists the phrase "Privilege has absolutely no value in the therapy room." Partially from therapists sick of the idea of blaming men's issues on "men's privilege", or similar forms of self-blame. The term doesn't much good for anyone. A man lost his family and home, so what do you tell him...."this all happened because society favors you?" I don't know if that would be more victim-blaming or more gaslighting, but it's like the two morphed …
/r/LeftWingMaleAdvocates08/04/22 05:12 AM
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Good point. I forget that sometimes. I'm also on an anthropology forum or two.
/r/LeftWingMaleAdvocates05/04/22 07:44 PM
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Certainly. The numbers were certainly exaggerated, but it was mostly to illustrate different ways of handling a scarcity economy and what their potential results are. The point here being that with ultra high infant mortality rates, birth rates would have been a major determining factor in whether that particular culture survives. Not to mention children were a major source of farming labor as well. So if you look at early religions, they are downright obsessed with having as many children as po…
/r/LeftWingMaleAdvocates05/04/22 07:18 PM
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Yeah probably more accurate. My example was more like if you turned the saturation up on the gender lens.
/r/LeftWingMaleAdvocates05/04/22 02:50 AM
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Oh shit sorry, that got way off topic...
/r/LeftWingMaleAdvocates04/04/22 11:40 PM
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I agree with u/a-man-from-earth. I think the bible, especially the old testament, is mostly misogyny and misanthropy, but also an emphasis on traditional gender roles. Though a lot of people tend to judge the past through a modern lens. I often hear the idea "life sucked mostly because we were patriarchal" or another emphasis on patriarchy or male supremacy. It is 1, a bit of an oversimplification. And 2, it wasn't intentionally designed based on the "happiest way to live". And some people's ide…
/r/LeftWingMaleAdvocates04/04/22 11:39 PM
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The simple solution would be to socialize girls/women to put an equal amount of effort into dating. Make some of their own approaches. Initiate YES. So much this. One thing I remind women is that men often get a general sense from women that they want us to fuck off. When this happens, the main guys still coming up to you will be the ones who didn't care about these boundaries, what you think, or whether it makes you feel safe. That is, if you tell guys to fuck off, only the good ones will, and …
/r/LeftWingMaleAdvocates03/04/22 06:50 PM
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Well, I meant truly horrible. Stephen Fry's face is weird but not unpleasant to look at. By the way, his nose was broken when he was a kid. Lol. Totally fair. I guess my point was just that the things we think make us look weird don't make us look ugly. And I think this is especially the case for guys. Scars are often kinda manly. Yeah, and I was glad I got to retain a split eyebrow from it. It isn't quite Jason Mamoa, but I still like it. But the particular period I was referring to was well be…
/r/LeftWingMaleAdvocates03/04/22 06:37 PM
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First of all, I really appreciate your empathy in this matter, and wanted to say something in this regard. I dated a girl once who was into men's issues and was often defending the male perspective even in cases where she was attacked. So I often had to defend her side and women's perspective as a whole. She tended to slut shame herself for her libido. Naturally, I brought up bonobos, and the ways they're able to keep issues to a minimum by having high female libidos. That is rather than telling…
/r/LeftWingMaleAdvocates03/04/22 06:16 PM
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"Self-Made Man" by Norah Vincent is also a good story like this. A woman lives as a man for several months to see what all the fuss is about. Had a mental breakdown by the end of it. But I wouldn't bite down too hard on the idea that this concept is targeted against men. When people talk about issues on their own behalf, they sound like they're whining. And outsider speaking on behalf of someone who isn't them generally carries more weight, for the additional effort and general lack of skin in t…
/r/LeftWingMaleAdvocates01/04/22 07:27 PM
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As I described, different regions basically played hot-potato with human development. For any one of them to claim sole credit or sole blame is kinda nuts. And yeah, very American.
/r/LeftWingMaleAdvocates01/04/22 07:23 PM
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O shit now I suddenly get why talking about egalitarianism amongst hunter-gatherers is met with "Ermagerd Noble Savage. Everything you said is BS." Because it probably sounds like some weird anti-Western sentiment or virtue signaling. That'll be nice to know in the future, because it is hilariously very much NOT THAT. But yeah, I've been kinda fed up with political "sides" on stuff like this. Either Western Culture is infallible and teaching its flaws is a conspiracy, or Western Culture is uniqu…
/r/LeftWingMaleAdvocates01/04/22 07:20 PM
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You'd have better chances of success if you'd mail-order a foreign bride. Is it bad that I've considered this? Like I know I wouldn't mistreat her or anything. But I know it's some green card thing, and that eastern Europe is generally more traditional in its gender roles. But yeah, it seemed like online dating was going to be great for a lot of dating issues, but it ended up so much worse. When you're basically sitting there with a list of suitors, you kinda forget about who was second-best and…
/r/LeftWingMaleAdvocates31/03/22 08:38 AM
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Well even if you do have a horrible face. Like, Stephen Fry has a weird shaped face with a nose that looks downright broken. And it just kinda doesn't matter. Or when I was in a bike accident and had scars and scabs all over my face. Girls didn't seem too bothered by that. But if I did have appearance advice, it would probably be to keep your hair combed and beard trimmed, if applicable. Wear clothing that fits. I switched from black tees to an inexpensive shirt and a vest I got at goodwill for …
/r/LeftWingMaleAdvocates31/03/22 08:33 AM
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I hear you on all of this, man. Yeah, I feel like there isn't much support for autistic people. Back in school, a psychiatrist told me I had all the symptoms of Asperger's. It turned out I didn't, but it came from other issues. But remembering my mentality at the time, I had to logically think through every interaction. Consciously use nonverbal communication. Look for specific signs to read their emotions. And I was a mild case. I can only imagine the struggle of someone who actually has it. Yo…
/r/LeftWingMaleAdvocates31/03/22 08:22 AM
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Also, the PUA fakeness stuff often involves a couple key facts. - They are trying to get a one-night-stand. Not a relationship. So they aren't seeking emotional bonding. They are trying to trick her into having sex. - Many of their methods often involve nearly or legitimately sexually harassing 10 women on the chance that 1 is into it. Then the fake confidence and attention seeking just get those numbers high enough that you meet more of that 1 in 10. Hence why "being concerned about her feeling…
/r/LeftWingMaleAdvocates31/03/22 07:56 AM
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your natural instincts are probably stopping you from being a creep to women. The real creeps to women don't ask these kinds of questions. I totally forgot to mention this advice. That was always my struggle. I didn't want to be a creep. But one night I just went out on a drive to think about it. And it kinda clicked. If you're worried about being a creep, you probably aren't one. It stemmed from advice I got from a coworker when I mentioned I had a fear of owning a pet. The idea of a life form …
/r/LeftWingMaleAdvocates31/03/22 07:51 AM
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I meant for people who are attracted to this...
/r/LeftWingMaleAdvocates29/03/22 01:28 PM
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I can't offer additional clarification. Just that I would be fascinated to learn more about such cultures. I really wish we had more education on native cultures. I only recently learned that when Columbus first arrived in the Caribbean, the US alone vastly out-populated Europe at the time. We learned that smallpox killed a lot of natives, but not how extensive and devastating it was. Like, I had always dreamed of a Game of Thrones style show that took place in the pre-Columbian Americas. A show…
/r/LeftWingMaleAdvocates29/03/22 07:34 AM
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Was going to say something similar, but I think the inclusion of "it has been a pretty big mish mash depending on tribe/nation." covers it enough for me.
/r/LeftWingMaleAdvocates29/03/22 07:17 AM
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Honestly I'm sure he had better jokes. Chris is pretty good at that. He probably chose a milder one to be sensitive to her condition. I hope for more clarity in future interviews.
/r/LeftWingMaleAdvocates29/03/22 05:57 AM
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Thanks for acknowledging that it isn't anyone's fault. I think there's something similar with male contraceptives that don't affect men in nearly the same ways that female contraceptives affect women. Male contraception needs more research and we need to see more of it, but I don't like the narratives out there saying "it affects men less because something something misogyny". When the reality is that preventing conception in women is a more involved hormonal process. That is to say, the differe…
/r/LeftWingMaleAdvocates29/03/22 05:55 AM
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Another way to put it. If they really didn't like you, they wouldn't give you nicknames when they hang out with you. They just wouldn't hang out with you. I think, when it works well, it is the non-toxic masculine mirror image of toxic-feminine passive-aggression. Masking hatred under a compliment, vs masking bonding under an insult. But yeah, that tends to be how the men in my family call each other out. We basically never actually get mad at each other, we'll just crack jokes about it. Like "L…
/r/LeftWingMaleAdvocates28/03/22 06:44 PM
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This situation has been an interesting one. My sister was a psychology major, and said she was largely motivated by the issues I dealt with growing up. So as she puts it "It's hard to hate anyone when you feel like you understand everyone." And I think that's how I feel about the whole thing. Was Chris's joke a bit off-color? Sure. Hell, that's part of why it's funny, and I felt it was a relatively light joke. I feel like men often use humor to point out the elephant in the room that others deny…
/r/LeftWingMaleAdvocates28/03/22 05:14 PM
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I voted image, easily. Like is there an empathy gap that pushes a decent amount of this? Absolutely. But we also have to be aware of our image and be able to criticize parts of men's movements that does a disservice to us as a whole. Image is probably the hardest thing to work with in this case. The feminist movement had a certain advantage in that they're trying to counter the image of women as passive and lacking agency (Though I'd argue their problem is not sticking to this enough). When they…
/r/LeftWingMaleAdvocates28/03/22 04:45 PM
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I can totally respect your criticisms, and I'll certainly take them into consideration and work to on ways to reframe it. I suppose you could say I was emphasizing what worked for me, and what worked for me won't work for every guy out there. For me, the main thing that had me stuck in the thought process was the fact that the narrative they were touting seemed to reside on legitimate logic. So it being delegitimized was ultimately what had me radically change my outlook of the bigger picture, a…
/r/LeftWingMaleAdvocates25/03/22 06:42 AM
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I say this because it is exactly what snapped me out of it. The appeal of these books and narratives comes largely from appeals to ancestral biology. It hinges the rigidity of their logic. The whole reason people can read the narratives and go from "I'm just lonely right now and need help" straight to fatalistic black pill is because it is portrayed as some inescapable truth. A law of nature. They say "it is in a woman's DNA to search only for the strongest, most dominant male. It is useless to …
/r/LeftWingMaleAdvocates25/03/22 12:20 AM
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I feel like that's the first or second level of depth, and I've certainly heard plenty of such women say "Why buy the cow if you can get the milk for free". But I think even deeper, it is the feeling of a sunk-cost. That is, a lot of times a woman is bitter towards sexually-active women, it is because she felt she had to hide or reject this expression in her own life to be a "good lady". So when she sees other girls just letting lose, she sees them as indulging in something she had to sacrifice,…
/r/LeftWingMaleAdvocates24/03/22 07:41 AM
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Dude def. Also, so many of the issues men are having these days go way beyond sex. But everything is funneled through it. Both by the men themselves and others. There was an interesting episode of "Taboo" that talked about Australian brothels. They said many of the prostitutes were encouraged to get or even paid to get degrees in psychology. This is because, as some of the women pointed out, men often came in thinking what they needed was a quick lay, but then once they were in a room together, …
/r/LeftWingMaleAdvocates24/03/22 07:35 AM
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True. When writing my own response, I already felt like I'm going to be put on some watch list.
/r/LeftWingMaleAdvocates24/03/22 07:31 AM
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Exactly this. This is why I don't align myself with movements. And when someone asks me if I'm a feminist, I say "I could say that I am largely feminist (adj.), but I'm not a feminist.(n.)" Similarly, I don't call myself an atheist for this reason as well. As much as I like Richard Dawkins and other big-name atheists, many tend to have more of a "shut down speculative thinking" attitude that I'm not fond of. I'll call myself "secular" or "agnostic" if I'm trying to avoid this association.
/r/LeftWingMaleAdvocates24/03/22 07:29 AM
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This issue is pretty personal for me, having gone through a lot of similar issues myself. I'm not sure how much "advice" I can offer, beyond information and my own take. I think part of the issue is the term "incel" itself. Like, am I "celibate"? Yes. A virgin even. At 30. Hitting 30 was freaky for this specific reason. Is this "voluntary"? I mean I won't want to be. Like, I don't prefer it. So I suppose it's involuntary. But I'd say a lot of it came down to personal choices. If I really wanted …
/r/LeftWingMaleAdvocates24/03/22 07:15 AM
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Ok let me revise my original suggestion on how to be a good ally: Keep doing exactly what you're doing. This is amazing stuff!
/r/LeftWingMaleAdvocates14/03/22 06:59 AM
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Edit: I didn't real your footnote originally. Sorry for the gender assumption. What do you look for in an ally? How would you prefer an ally engage with this community? OK so the first thing I would recommend: Don't be anti-woman or down on yourself for being a woman. I'm not accusing you of this. I just know it's tempting if you hang out on one side too long. But I would never ask a woman to be down on herself or her gender. Certainly not as a means of advocating for men. Nobody should feel ash…
/r/LeftWingMaleAdvocates14/03/22 05:58 AM
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This is a very big thing about the whole "man up" mentality. I can only recall one or two cases where men have told me to "man up". Though the dating advice circles like PUAs can be really toxic about this with the "alpha male" ideology. But I can recall many more cases coming from women, and the most coming from feminists. It usually isn't "man up". It is usually dismissal of an insecurity as illegitimate and being reduced to "male fragility" or "he's just insecure in his masculinity." But like…
/r/LeftWingMaleAdvocates13/03/22 04:50 AM
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I don't think it has been completely debunked. But I would say it certainly has been reduced to a level that broad accusations of misogyny don't quite work. And in many fields or demographics, women out-earn men. So a unilateral approach would be misguided. For instance, one factor to remember is that while women largely choose fields that pay less, we can't be too sure about the cause and effect between these fields being low paying and women occupying them. One feminist counterargument I have …
/r/LeftWingMaleAdvocates13/03/22 04:25 AM
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Here's another thing. Raise guys like this, and then tell them to "respect women's bodily autonomy like it's your own". Like, for many it might be hard to relate to similar women's issues when you didn't exactly grow up with a good example yourself. Stuff like this or other double-standards is why so many guys think feminism is about treating women better than men. For a lot of the stuff feminists are talking about with women, men grew up just taking it and feeling like we're expected to. So som…
/r/LeftWingMaleAdvocates13/03/22 02:57 AM
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I gave a couple of my examples in my reply, but it's nothing like this. And it's interesting how, when appropriately presented, there is a lot of weird things that can be told to you that aren't nearly as uncomfortable. I had a guy friend of mine tell me "OK honestly if you were to ask me, I'd love to take you into my bed and choke you out a few times. You would make a really cute bottom. But I know you're not into guys and you're a good friend, so I wouldn't want to mess that up." And my first …
/r/LeftWingMaleAdvocates13/03/22 02:50 AM
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Damn dude I'm sorry to hear all this. It reminds me of some step cousins who went out at like 16 year old dressed as cowboys and had a bunch of older ladies all over them. Or even Kanye talking about being sexually abused as a story of pride. It's hard to know how to act, and strange how other people act, when the general attitude is "You should just be grateful she's giving you that attention at all." ​ I've had one or two similar experiences, but nothing nearly like that. Girls yelling "Take o…
/r/LeftWingMaleAdvocates13/03/22 02:40 AM
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Bu then theres some research out there that men and women are actually attracted to this dark triad. Yeah. I would argue men are less attracted to it in women than women are attracted to it in men. Which is only frustrating for both genders. But I still don't think this is the #1 reason guys like this have disproportionate representation in cases like this, or have additional success in dating. I think it is more a matter of attention and exposure. That is, guys like this often make themselves m…
/r/LeftWingMaleAdvocates12/03/22 09:12 AM
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Christina Hoff Sommers made a good point that often times, these are disadvantaged men, like the homeless. I noticed this in the "walk around the worst part of New York" video. This obviously isn't an excuse and I'm trying to portray it as such. But if it were possible to gather statistics about it, I wonder how many such men who do this in public are mentally impaired and/or socially isolated. I will say that in the one or two cases I've seen it from men who are well-off, it does indeed come fr…
/r/LeftWingMaleAdvocates12/03/22 08:57 AM
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I definitely appreciate that you gave this take as a woman. I don't know much about woman-woman harassment so I'm not sure how much I can comment on that matter. I think the big thing that bothers me about this type of ad is that when guys are assholes, their buds usually aren't around to see it. Like if a friend of mine was ever like "hey lady, come give us a smile" I would be like "dude wtf, really". But this interaction basically never happens. And not to mention, the guys who care usually ar…
/r/LeftWingMaleAdvocates12/03/22 08:44 AM
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That's rough, dude. I'm sorry about that. I must have been lucky. Like, I cried in front of one of my girlfriends and that was when she first said she loved me. And all of my girlfriends were very much on this side of things. Hell, one girlfriend followed the MRM more than I did and used to show me ShoeOnHead videos all the time. I don't know how I found them. I don't date a lot, but I guess I've also gotten sensitive to red flags for this sort of thing.
/r/LeftWingMaleAdvocates07/03/22 11:02 PM
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Good point. It actually reminds me of crying and how women I know respond to it. Like we're all aware here of how showing women crying is an easy trope to garner sympathy immediately. But when I've talked girls I know about how they feel about men crying, they say when men cry, it carries a lot more weight with it because of how comparatively rare it is.
/r/LeftWingMaleAdvocates06/03/22 09:14 PM
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I mean anecdotally I've seen it happen to friends of mine. It was relatively minor but I'd imagine it's one of those things like "who pays for dinner" that isn't a huge deal but is one of those things that when you notice it, it drives you up the wall. I do think men gaslight ourselves to an extent where we ignore things that we should see a doctor for. In my case, I just feel like I can handle it myself most of the time unless it's freaky pain in the arm that makes me thing heart attack, or an …
/r/LeftWingMaleAdvocates06/03/22 09:12 PM
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Yes def. I got sick of forums that would turn either into a giant male apology, or some sort of PUA, Incel, or regressive extremist group. Like, the point is to help men through these struggles, not to form some echo chamber where everyone just languishes in them. It's a common problem in social justice groups.
/r/LeftWingMaleAdvocates06/03/22 05:04 AM
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Best advice. If you don't mind, I could add an addendum to it as well. You don't change minds by arguing from where you stand, but from where they stand. Like if you're debating a right-winger, you don't start off by dismissing or ridiculing their concerns and then thrusting how "right" you are. They don't have an off-ramp: a safe direction to change their minds. They can only defend their point harder, or submit to your ridicule. Instead, I feel like it is best to understand their point of view…
/r/LeftWingMaleAdvocates06/03/22 04:57 AM
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Absolutely. I love this sub. Originally I was smacked with a false accusation that almost got me expelled, followed by a relationship in which the woman was emotionally abusive. This took me on a youtube journey that started taking me more to Paul Elam, who I either don't agree with, or he uses bad methodology to argue his points. This took me to PUA stuff and eventually to pre-Incel stuff which was VERY toxic. But that was the problem. These were the only people I had. Nobody was helping me wit…
/r/LeftWingMaleAdvocates06/03/22 04:22 AM
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Yeah unfortunately "Patriarchy" is one of those words used so broadly its definition has become obliterated. But to put it simply, Patriarchy simply means "rule by men". The definition shouldn't imply more than that. Feminists might use it to mean "men as a whole rule society" but that misses a TON of the nuance. Just because a man or a few men on top might rule, that doesn't mean it benefits men as a whole. Russia and Putin are a PERFECT example of this. It is essentially the king that views al…
/r/LeftWingMaleAdvocates04/03/22 08:38 PM
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Absolutely. Most vitriol against homosexuality is directed towards gay men. I don't say that to dismiss lesbians' struggles, but basically nobody I know who is homophobic is picturing lesbians when they talk about homosexuality as "disgusting". I would argue that there are unique takes to this that come from a male-advocacy perspective. I really hate to use a "I have a black friend" argument with what I'm about to say. But like, a somewhat consistent thing I've found when talking about some of t…
/r/LeftWingMaleAdvocates04/03/22 08:16 PM
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I forget most other countries actually get to have minority parties. I'd be sketch of a candidate who ran primarily on men's rights. But we do need to be able to present mens rights as unique human rights and not "crocodile tears for the privileged" as it is currently treated. I think public figures like Andrew Yang and Glen Poole seem to have the right language for it.
/r/LeftWingMaleAdvocates04/03/22 06:49 PM
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Definitely. Like, manufacturing is becoming insanely automated. Ignore jobs for a second, and this is a good thing. It's progress. It's cheaper, more available products. It's often more efficient, because waste cost multiplies quickly, so they'll reduce waste down to the most minute levels. FedEx has lights-out facilities that are so automated, they don't need lighting or air conditioning because nobody is there. Put jobs back in the equation, and it's devastating. Because people NEED jobs to su…
/r/LeftWingMaleAdvocates04/03/22 06:29 AM
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Yeah though the same could be said for anyone who hasn't worked directly with a Bush or Clinton. So if we're talking about alternative candidates, he's probably my current favorite. And yeah I don't agree with him on everything, but if we were waiting for someone we agreed with 100% we would basically never vote. As a leftist candidate I expected a bit of sucking up to feminists, but he seems to be one of the least to do so, and the only candidate from the 2020 election to even bring up male iss…
/r/LeftWingMaleAdvocates04/03/22 04:35 AM
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I'm actually surprised to hear this since we in the States hear a lot about how left-wing northern Europe is. But I mean, I'm from the states. The Midwest to be specific. So like, politicians even mentioning public healthcare is enough to cause riots and calls to arms against the "communist traitors in our midst". Our right wing has gone off the rails. Our Democratic party is I believe somewhat right of the SDP, and that's pretty much as left-wing as Washington gets.
/r/LeftWingMaleAdvocates04/03/22 03:12 AM
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I can't speak much for the UK, but in the US we had/have Andrew Yang. I'm not sure he's going to be running next term. I hope he does. But if you watch Yang Speaks, he talks a LOT about the issues of men and boys, without turning everything into right-wing talking points or turning into a long diatribe about feminism rather than men's issues as a whole. He does criticize feminism now and again, but he just isn't hung up on them. He is more solutions-oriented. Most recently, he did an interview w…
/r/LeftWingMaleAdvocates04/03/22 03:03 AM
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It's a possibility but I would be wary of where you go with it as a got myself into a rabbithole from it, myself. I have my own explanations but I'd like to offer up a couple counters to this so it keeps perspective at lest. - There isn't that much of an association between wealth and genetics, and I'd argue most of the genetic associations would be due to obvious genetic disorders, or simply the fact that wealth is generally passed on by family, so rich members of this family would share wealth…
/r/LeftWingMaleAdvocates28/02/22 04:33 PM
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