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in general, men choose promiscuous women for casual dating because those women are available - they don't desire them more and they're actually into the women they marry. men choose the latter, they don't settle because they can't get commitment from the former. women choose a certain type of men to sleep with casually because that's who they're really attracted to - sexual availability is not a factor in the equation at all. in the af/bb dynamic, women in this case generally settle for a guy be…
/r/PurplePillDebate27/05/26 01:58 PM
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well i am a man and have had various friend groups and social circles throughout my life. on the other hand there are marriage statistics which reflect objective reality on a macro level scale. https://wifitalents.com/older-women-dating-younger-men-statistics/ my question is what makes you think that it is in any way common for men to seek out older life partners? an article based on a segment titled 'the opinions' that doesn't cite any marriage or parenthood data for age gap relationships betwe…
/r/PurplePillDebate26/05/26 01:35 AM
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sounds like a great idea to get in a relationship with women who believe in disney fairytales. it's not like anything could go wrong down the line with that mindset, right? sure you said you don't care about relationships but a lot of people do.
/r/PurplePillDebate26/05/26 01:03 AM
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i do have a pretty particular and fairly strong preference when it comes to looks as well and i really wish i didn't. i tried dating outside of it but it just doesn't work for me long-term, it just feels like something is missing. luckily i was never romantically attracted to toxic women, walking red flags and so on (nor did i ever tolerate those things just because of physical attraction) and i think that's a way worse issue to have than just having a type in general. it's a lot better to have …
/r/PurplePillDebate23/05/26 11:12 PM
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i mean, some women are into those things too and i certainly wouldn't want to do anything that a woman is uncomfortable with personally. if they're not into what i'm into then i just view it as an incompatibility, simple as that. a big part of it for me is women being enthusiastic about whatever we're doing, not enduring discomfort and pain.
/r/PurplePillDebate23/05/26 10:56 PM
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i do agree that men are shamed for their standards and preferences but we don't have to tell anyone about it. outside of my close friends, i've never really shared that information (especially not with women). nobody stops people from dating who they want except for the people they want, so all you should worry about is whether or not you can find women (or men for that matter) that fit the bill for you. when i hear shaming language in this type of discourse i just laugh internally because i kno…
/r/PurplePillDebate23/05/26 10:45 PM
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let me translate some of these posts: 'men who are out of my league treat me as such'. i've heard women IRL with some of the talking points here and in essence, they basically expect a guy to settle for them (of course they're not acknowledging it because that would be a blow to the ego). 'oh but i want to be very attracted to my partner' - well tough luck but so does he. if the guys you run into only want sex and don't even bother to try and be tactful about it in some cases, you don't qualify.…
/r/PurplePillDebate19/05/26 05:09 AM
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more men than women want to hook up, especially with online strangers and some of them pretend to want relationships too in order to increase their odds. other guys don't have too many options and would rather be in a relationship than sexless and single without companionship - not really the case for women because of a lopsided supply and demand ratio. average women can get casual sex whenever they want, be taken on dates and receive attention from the opposite sex in general. women also don't …
/r/PurplePillDebate19/05/26 04:29 AM
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i would not engage in any sort of romantic relationships with women if sex was off the table completely. being single never made me unhappy or miserable and if anything i enjoy the perks of not having any commitments, not having to compromise, to live my life exactly the way i want to and so on. not that relationships can't add other things to your life but without sex it just wouldn't work for me at all and it's not even close. it's an essential part of being in a relationship in my book.
/r/PurplePillDebate16/05/26 01:11 PM
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people who post on deadbedrooms don't have sex once a week, most of them would be absolutely thrilled if that was the case. you also said it's 'optimal' in any relationship, not just for most women. a relationship consists of two people and both their needs are equally important.
/r/PurplePillDebate14/05/26 08:56 AM
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if i'm in a relationship and have sex once a week i'll be single sooner rather than later. it might be 'optimal' for you but what makes you think that you can speak on what's optimal for other people when it comes to something so personal?
/r/PurplePillDebate14/05/26 08:51 AM
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high demand for sex/temporary gf position. milf fantasies are common for younger men, been there done that myself. the vast majority of young guys are not looking to start a family with an older woman. getting laid, casual dating etc. is not difficult for and never has been but most women are not looking for that (which is why it's easy to do in the first place) statistically marriages with this sort of age gap are still very uncommon, certainly more so than the other way round (and those marria…
/r/PurplePillDebate13/05/26 11:02 AM
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this just doesn't line up with reality. when it comes to this topic in online spaces, sure you're correct but plenty of guys who are successful with women hold the same beliefs and talk that way in private with their male friends. i've seen it first hand plenty of times and i'm pretty sure there's even been a study posted on here that showed a positive correlation between sexual success for men and misogyny.
/r/PurplePillDebate12/05/26 09:17 AM
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plenty of guys who have been with more women than they can count talk this way too. idk if you ever played team sports or have been friends with guys who get around a lot but i heard this type of locker room talk much more often from men who actually get women, at least IRL. sure, online you have a bunch of frustrated guys talking shit and successful men usually aren't wasting time doing that but it doesn't mean that they don't hold the same beliefs and share them in private with their male frie…
/r/PurplePillDebate12/05/26 09:13 AM
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i care about women's issues about as much as women care about men's issues, which is not a whole lot. in fact, women in my home country frequently don't care about women's issues themselves if it doesn't align with their worldview and political affiliation. personally i find the often performative male feminists incredibly cringe. i'm for equal rights but we already have that in the west, i care more about women's issues in repressive societies. sure there are some differences, there's no equali…
/r/PurplePillDebate10/05/26 10:40 PM
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i don't roll out the red carpet and act differently just because a woman is very attractive. that being said i don't think many women would like it when their bf used to do X Y and Z for his exes/other women but does a fraction for them, whether it 's the early dating stage or later in the relationship.
/r/PurplePillDebate10/05/26 10:20 PM
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not every guy lies to get laid or degrades the women they sleep with. believe it or not there are some women who are looking for casual too. if you operate within the framework of generalizations you at least shouldn't be surprised if the same thinking gets thrown back at you.
/r/PurplePillDebate10/05/26 09:19 PM
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i certainly disagree with the notion that marriage should be viewed as the default outcome. if somebody values the institution and wants to get married they should communicate that. marriage used to be the default when the world was a different place and just because something used to be the case doesn't mean it indefinitely should be. i've seen people get burnt because they simply followed the societal script without properly examining what they're getting themselves into. for some people getti…
/r/PurplePillDebate10/05/26 09:04 PM
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i never said i had low standards or mentioned low standards at all. you were the one saying that men are just as picky but excluding half the population is not the same level of pickiness as excluding 95%.
/r/PurplePillDebate10/05/26 08:35 PM
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why is the man confused in that example? these days people often jump into bed before they really know the other person and when you're dating strangers which is fairly common, everyone is on their best behavior in the early stages. both men and women misrepresent themselves to varying degrees in the early stages of dating, omit certain things, hide red flags and so on. if i a woman switches up or looks completely different when i wake up next to her, i'm the confused one because i was deceived?…
/r/PurplePillDebate10/05/26 08:30 PM
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but they aren't degenerates and sociopaths for wanting it, yes? only men are? you are correct that men and women are different, in fact casual sex makes a lot more sense for men because it's less risky and more satisfying for them.
/r/PurplePillDebate10/05/26 08:27 PM
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so informed consent is only relevant when it comes to women i guess. it's cut and dry in one case but 'situational and relative' in the other. i could say that not seeing a woman as relationship material and telling her so is 'triggering for women' too, so men need to be careful around the topic or whatever. the reality is that everyone lies by omission to an extent. everyone is on their best behavior when first dating, trying to show their best side and so on.
/r/PurplePillDebate10/05/26 08:25 PM
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because men are expected to do the right thing for the greater good yada yada.
/r/PurplePillDebate10/05/26 08:18 PM
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'all women should be prostitutes' PPD greatest hits
/r/PurplePillDebate10/05/26 08:17 PM
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as he asked before, does this apply to women disclosing their sexual history too?
/r/PurplePillDebate10/05/26 08:14 PM
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> If I I did not tell something to a man about something that would make him say no to sex or a relationship, how do you think he would feel? women do this all the time when it comes to their sexual history for example but in that case it's 'none of his business' and he's insecure yada yada. i'm pretty honest and upfront when dating someone but everyone omits certain things that could affect informed consent in some manner for some people. if i date someone and tell her that i'm not looking for …
/r/PurplePillDebate10/05/26 08:11 PM
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what about women who want casual sex, since you mentioned women with a high body count in your previous post?
/r/PurplePillDebate10/05/26 08:08 PM
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commit to what extent? marriage? because if you're in a relationship already as you said, what further commitment is there other than that?
/r/PurplePillDebate10/05/26 08:05 PM
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what if a guy wants a relationship, ends up sleeping with a woman he's dating and realizes at some point after that she isn't it for him? i don't think that's a rarity and i don't think there's anything wrong with it. women who want to avoid this situation can simply choose to not sleep with men they're not in a relationship with.
/r/PurplePillDebate10/05/26 07:50 PM
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as a woman, your 'relationship league' and the league of men you can hook up with aren't the same (not even close in a lot of cases). idk why it's so difficult to understand for women, maybe because they don't want it to be true? regardless, women will call guys fuckboys or emotionally unavailable yada yada sometimes even if those guys are really looking for a relationship and just decided she wasn't it - or even better, when they are upfront that they are not looking for anything serious from t…
/r/PurplePillDebate10/05/26 07:41 PM
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sure, not wanting to date fat women, single moms or former sex workers etc. is the same as women's laundry list of expectation for a partner.
/r/PurplePillDebate09/05/26 11:44 AM
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being fat is largely a choice (or rather the result of a series of choices), not fate.
/r/PurplePillDebate09/05/26 11:42 AM
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plenty of women objectify themselves. plenty of women want to be approached and get male attention. what you say might be true for you or your friends but it certainly doesn't apply to women in general.
/r/PurplePillDebate09/05/26 11:35 AM
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(some) modern women whine and bitch about non-committal men.
/r/PurplePillDebate08/05/26 09:17 PM
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and amazing women exist in abundance? no they don't and quality women don't struggle finding quality men to date. the women who are chronically single, in situationships, complaining about dating etc. are mostly undatable for men who have standards.
/r/PurplePillDebate08/05/26 09:13 PM
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being single isn't the end of the world. beats being with a walking embarrassment if you ask me. you don't need to be chad to have standards, you just have to not believe in the notion that you need a woman to validate your existence.
/r/PurplePillDebate08/05/26 09:08 PM
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and bears are all regular potato chips?
/r/PurplePillDebate08/05/26 08:40 PM
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sure, some guys are doing that but if you think that every man who dates a foreign woman can't get one 'at home' and can only attract women with money, it's not based in reality. i lived in multiple countries, i've dated foreign women, i met other western guys along the way and i know that it's BS to paint everyone with a broad brush in this context. and let's not pretend that western women don't care about socio-economic status either.
/r/PurplePillDebate25/04/26 01:58 PM
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so no source for your claim? got it.
/r/PurplePillDebate25/04/26 01:52 PM
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the whole thread is about marrying foreigners because of lower divorce rates, the majority of this sub (or most subs on reddit) is american.
/r/PurplePillDebate25/04/26 01:50 PM
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who says they can only get women outside of the west? maybe they're just not happy with the options they have at home? everyone has more options outside of the west and depending on what they look for, they might be better options. not just guys who can't get women in the west. getting with middle aged, overweight single moms in the west is not difficult for example, it's not some achievement that should give anyone an ego boost.
/r/PurplePillDebate25/04/26 01:47 PM
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yes it's a personal choice but it's not a phobia. i don't know many guys who tell women they want to get married just to get into a relationship but there's also the element of someone changing their mind. they might think it's what they want but things can change over time and that's perfectly fair.
/r/PurplePillDebate24/04/26 03:14 PM
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the vast majority of relationships are temporary and i think it's healthy to recognize that fact. relationships that are a lot of work are also not something that i'd be interested in. relationships can add to your life in various ways (companionship or intimacy for example) but that doesn't mean you have to be devastated when they end. you can appreciate the time you had together, learn from it and move on to the next chapter of your life. sure, you'll probably care on some level and to some ex…
/r/PurplePillDebate24/04/26 03:12 PM
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it doesn't matter to me personally but it's the topic of discussion.
/r/PurplePillDebate24/04/26 03:01 PM
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source? as far as i can tell it takes about 3 years after receiving a green card which takes less than 2 years generally.
/r/PurplePillDebate24/04/26 03:00 PM
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sounds kinda racist ngl. as someone who lived abroad for extensive periods, it's also wildly inaccurate. maybe to you a foreigner is a 'temu girlfriend' but there are millions of men in the west who settle for bottom of the barrel women, thinking they're a winner in life somehow. i'll call them Losers At Home i guess.
/r/PurplePillDebate24/04/26 02:40 PM
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i'm referring to a USCIS report that has since been archived but is still cited by various AIs if you ask them about this issue. 'Divorce rates for marriages between American men and foreign-born women are generally lower than those for domestic U.S. marriages. Recent statistics indicate that while the U.S. national average for divorce in domestic marriages is 40-45%, the rate for these international unions is approximately 20-25%. Historical data from the U.S. Citizenship and Immigration Servic…
/r/PurplePillDebate23/04/26 04:03 PM
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you can sort things like next of kin through power of attorney. it's not irrational to forgo marriage for a lot of people, it can 100% be in line with their own personal interest and thus a completely rational decision. marriage is opt-in, the fact that you go to school or pay taxes doesn't have any relevance on whether or not it's a rational decision to marry.
/r/PurplePillDebate23/04/26 03:43 PM
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i have zero motivation to get married, the point is that being married involves the government in the potential dissolvement of your relationship - that's what would make me care in a hypothetical scenario. a break up is a lot less costly and messy compared to a divorce.
/r/PurplePillDebate23/04/26 03:38 PM
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if it was as common as some people like to claim it would show up in the divorce statistics. these women don't need to stay with their american husbands for life to get citizenship, it's a temporary process.
/r/PurplePillDebate23/04/26 03:32 PM
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i'm not from the US and i don't intend to get married.
/r/PurplePillDebate23/04/26 03:31 PM
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their perspective will change when they grow up, that's the point. a 16 year old or w/e doesn't have much perspective to begin with.
/r/PurplePillDebate23/04/26 03:30 PM
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what i said is objectively true and proven by statistics. you can discuss the nuances of it but to claim that it isn't true is not in line with objective reality. yes, there are other variables that influence divorce rates but when you make comparisons you generally isolate the two variables you are comparing.
/r/PurplePillDebate23/04/26 03:29 PM
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you're getting married either way in this example since the topic of discussion is the divorce rate. it's not about the marriage part, it's about the foreign woman part compared to the devout catholic or gay part.
/r/PurplePillDebate23/04/26 03:26 PM
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yes, women can have a loser with no standards by their side at any time. congratulations i guess?
/r/PurplePillDebate23/04/26 03:23 PM
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in what world are those things comparable to marrying a foreigner? changing your entire belief system and lifestyle or even your sexuality (which is not a choice btw) compared to marrying a woman from another country? not the gotcha you think it is.
/r/PurplePillDebate23/04/26 01:38 AM
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divorce rates between foreign born women and american men are significantly lower compared to marriages between two americans.
/r/PurplePillDebate23/04/26 01:36 AM
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the divorce rates for american men married to foreign women is lower compared to marriages between two americans regardless.
/r/PurplePillDebate23/04/26 01:24 AM
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a phobia is an irrational fear and nothing about avoiding marriage is irrational. marriage is the step that involves the government in people's personal relationships, in fact i would argue that voluntarily signing away part of your autonomy is irrational - at least in the cases where marriage doesn't even offer tangible benefits like tax or insurance breaks or when those benefits are outweighed by the financial risk of divorce. it makes no sense to me in today's world.
/r/PurplePillDebate22/04/26 12:34 PM
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if i don't get married i don't care if she leaves.
/r/PurplePillDebate22/04/26 12:15 PM
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high school students are clueless about life. is there any data for 25 or 30+ year olds?
/r/PurplePillDebate22/04/26 01:47 AM
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that can happen too but if it's a chronic problem that happens over and over again, chances are it's with men that are above the woman's station. most women are average and they're not getting pump and dumped by average guys who barely even get female attention. dating app data lines up with this, as does my personal experience. i've seen how the chronically single women date plenty of times. i know some women don't want to live in reality when it comes to this because it's a blow to the ego and…
/r/PurplePillDebate20/04/26 01:18 PM
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way to turn the 'progressive' talking points around on them lmao.
/r/PurplePillDebate20/04/26 12:31 PM
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women can have whatever preferences and standards they want but they shouldn't complain when the men who meet those standards aren't interested in them long-term. men's preferences make sense too but regardless, plenty of women try to demonize guys who prefer younger women without a 'colorful' past for example. the reality is that average women are not going to get the whole package when it comes to dating, it's plain and simple. now of course a lot of those women don't view themselves as averag…
/r/PurplePillDebate20/04/26 12:28 PM
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for most of my 20s and i'm kinda getting back around to preferring single life now in my mid 30s again. i'm not totally opposed to being in a relationship if the stars align but the vast majority of relationships and marriages i see around me wouldn't work for me and the long-term situations i've been in recently didn't either. in general i'd rather have a lower level of commitment and involvement with each other's lives when it comes to dating.
/r/PurplePillDebate19/04/26 11:31 AM
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love doesn't need a contract that's enforceable by the government and neither does living together. of course people are still free to marry for love or whatever other reason if they value the concept but personally i would at least make sure that you're marrying someone within your socio-economic class in that case. i don't see a logical reason why a successful person, man or woman, would want to otherwise.
/r/PurplePillDebate18/04/26 07:17 PM
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your league is whoever is willing to be with you. not for one night on a slow tuesday but long-term. one of the number one complaints by women when it comes to dating is getting played, being in situationships, that sort of stuff. making the assumption that they're trying to date out of their league is not far-fetched and lines up with my personal experience too.
/r/PurplePillDebate16/04/26 01:39 PM
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most women who struggle aren't good relationship prospects either. the notion that there are so many more great single women compared to men is non-sense.
/r/PurplePillDebate16/04/26 01:35 PM
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i agree. men also don't owe women or society anything that isn't enforced by law and laws can change at any time of course. trying to hold men to a subjective sense of duty and morality while encouraging women to do whatever they want in their pursuit of happiness isn't going to work. as long as people aren't hypocrites about it i don't care how they live their lives.
/r/PurplePillDebate16/04/26 01:24 PM
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who's saying they're below your league? you? other women? plenty of women have an inflated self-perception due to the sexual attention they get on dating apps and other platforms. the guy they hooked up with a couple of times is not 'their league'. the women i see complaining the most are those who have unrealistic expectations relative to what they themselves offer to men and a lot of the advice in the OP is targeted directly at them. personally idgaf what these women do with their dating lives…
/r/PurplePillDebate16/04/26 01:09 PM
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if you want a good guy, you need to be a good woman. by the guy's definition, not your own.
/r/PurplePillDebate16/04/26 01:05 PM
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plenty of women complain about the results of those exact things and a lot of the time it doesn't stop at complaining - it turns into putting the blame on men as a collective (not enough good men, men ain't shit, great man is just an average woman type of talking points). no sane person is telling women who get what they want in life/dating to change their approach but if someone puts their grievances out there while blaming other people for their own results it will obviously create pushback.
/r/PurplePillDebate16/04/26 01:02 PM
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when men do better than women, it's systemic discrimination. when women do better than men, it's individual failure on the men's part. equality of outcome is an illogical concept. the gender pay gap makes perfect sense given male variability and wealth/income distribution in a capitalist system.
/r/PurplePillDebate10/04/26 08:02 PM
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'The incel subs got banned for posting date rape guides. I really wouldn't use them as a victim if I were you.' this is what you said. now point me to where i mentioned incel subs and portrayed them as victims. since you can't do that, here's the definition of strawman: an intentionally misrepresented proposition that is set up because it is easier to defeat than an opponent's real argument. and you're telling me i don't know what it is? also, where exactly did i cry about anything or said i'm b…
/r/PurplePillDebate08/04/26 12:57 AM
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'vast majority of important inventions'. you quoted this yourself. vast majority, not everything. shifting goalposts when reality doesn't live up to your ideology, a feminist classic.
/r/PurplePillDebate08/04/26 12:47 AM
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you saying i'm using incel subs as a victim is the literal definition of a strawman. maybe you should look it up in a dictionary. reddit's rule 1 specifically protects 'marginalized and vulnerable' people. reddit's own definition includes gender in this and the only gender based example that is listed refers to women. if this rule did include both genders, that aspect wouldn't be listed at all because it would include every single person thus not making it a marginalized group by definition. i d…
/r/PurplePillDebate08/04/26 12:43 AM
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50% of rape allegations being false is about as unbased in reality as the claim that only 1-5% are, something that many women claim on here every day (also something that is regurgitated in some major media publications). the problem is the large number of unresolved cases, there literally isn't any data on this. as i said, there is some level of tolerance for free speech but it's not the same level for every group of people. reddit's rule 1 essentially states this itself. as for the indian sub,…
/r/PurplePillDebate08/04/26 12:22 AM
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that sounds like somebody not being accountable for their own actions and choices. if people voluntarily take bad deals because they hope it will turn into a good one, that's on them. same thing for women who are hanging around in situationships, hoping the men will commit. i don't have sympathy for people making their own beds and sleeping in them.
/r/PurplePillDebate07/04/26 11:48 PM
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that's only one aspect but most people don't give full disclosure on things that might be dealbreakers for other people early on. i've seen women misrepresent their sexual history, not disclose STIs for weeks of dating, not mention that they're on SRIs or have a lot of debt or that they used to do sex work and so on. of course there are men who do similar things too. they're not going to tell women that they used to sleep with prostitutes or have a criminal record, poor finances, whatever it mig…
/r/PurplePillDebate07/04/26 11:42 PM
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women are a protected group per reddits rules. subs that tolerated gender swapped version of what you see in some of these female subreddits have already been banned off the platform. yes, you are allowed to voice some level of criticism but to pretend that this platform in particular doesn't show preferential treatment towards misandrist is not based in reality.
/r/PurplePillDebate07/04/26 11:25 PM
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that's good for you but i assure you the guys who are into that and can pull it off couldn't care less about your opinion. enjoy feeling morally superior i guess.
/r/PurplePillDebate07/04/26 11:23 PM
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https://ehistory.osu.edu/articles/greatest-inventions-past-1000-years how many women do you see on that list? it must be quite the world to live in where objective reality is misogynistic. all that does to rational ears is devalue the term in it's function and make less people take it serious.
/r/PurplePillDebate07/04/26 11:20 PM
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i mean i agree with you but being a virgin is quite a bit different of course. some women do tend to take things slower in general though but there's also those who have had ONS and slept with guys on the first date but make other men wait and most guys don't want to be the latter guy in that situation, which i understand. i wouldn't either.
/r/PurplePillDebate07/04/26 11:10 PM
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it may not be disingenuous when it isn't applied like some sort of broad universal truth, like all men in their 30s who date women in their early 20s being creeps, predators, you name it. a position that many middle-aged women and liberal feminist men hold fwiw. it's actually very rare for these 'concerned' people to give actual advice that doesn't boil down to something along those lines. they rarely mention specific red flags or elements of their own personal experience, it's always just their…
/r/PurplePillDebate07/04/26 10:51 PM
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not dating younger women is not the same thing as actively voicing your general opposition to age gap relationships. i have friends and acquaintances who date women their age and some who don't but there's no judgement and performative moral grandstanding going on between the two groups. successful masculine men don't really concern themselves with the dating preferences of other men and try to shame them unless it's something extreme or illegal.
/r/PurplePillDebate07/04/26 10:42 PM
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just because a man dates younger when he's single doesn't mean that he will end up replacing his gf/wife he's been with for years or even decades for a 'newer model' down the line. this point doesn't always get missed, it is frequently brought up and paints the situation as a false dichotomy. it's like saying women who only date men with a full head of hair are a red flag because most men lose their hair at some point. when people are single, they go for their best perceived options in the momen…
/r/PurplePillDebate07/04/26 10:34 PM
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unless that group is men, at least on this platform (it's far from the only one though). i mean just check out twox or r/women
/r/PurplePillDebate07/04/26 10:23 PM
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do you want to dispute the fact that the vast majority of important inventions have been created at the hands of men? really? see that's the issue, you can make a completely rational and objective statement like this and some women will call it misogyny because they simply don't want it to be true, no matter how overwhelming the evidence is. i will never understand how people can be ideologically indoctrinated to the point that they refuse to see the reality right in front of them because it doe…
/r/PurplePillDebate07/04/26 10:19 PM
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people who keep having the same negative outcomes in dating (or any other endeavor for that matter) like to blame everything but their lack of ability to make good, rational decisions. sure, sometimes you can be off on a person or situation but if it keeps happening over and over again, there's only one common denominator. these people are not just getting unlucky, they make bad decisions, lack self-reflection, are not realistic, overlook red flags etc. as the saying goes, nobody is the villain …
/r/PurplePillDebate07/04/26 10:01 PM
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it depends a lot on the woman in front of him in many instances. the same guy can just pump and dump one type of woman and commit and fall in love with another. i've seen it countless times.
/r/PurplePillDebate06/04/26 08:03 PM
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nobody forces guys to be in the friendzone. they do it to themselves.
/r/PurplePillDebate06/04/26 07:43 PM
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it would be great if people were more honest about who they are and so on early on in dating but it often doesn't line up with their own personal interest to do so. people are on their best behavior initially, trying to hide red flags, not mentioning things that are likely to be important for the other party and so on. people primarily act in their own self-interest, certainly as long as it's not against the law or anything among those lines. it just is what it is.
/r/PurplePillDebate06/04/26 01:49 PM
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people are not NPCs obviously but human behavior is fairly predictable and macro level tendencies clearly exist - exceptions only prove the general rule by the very basic fact that they're exceptions to begin with. i mean women themselves will tell anyone who asks (and often those who didn't) that they keep having the same outcomes in dating, feeling used, are ready to give up, that it messes with their self-esteem and they need a break from dating, men ain't shit etc. it's not rocket science th…
/r/PurplePillDebate06/04/26 01:05 PM
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it's almost like it's scientifically proven that women have a much higher in-group bias and that the women are wonderful effect is real. 'hate women' lmao.
/r/PurplePillDebate05/04/26 07:44 PM
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oldschool feminism in theory, maybe. modern feminism in practice, nope. as long as 'feminists' only focus on issues where they are perceived to be at a disadvantage (or actually are) while completely ignoring areas where the same can be said for men, many rational and informed people will look at it for what it is: a female interest advocacy group. you can call north korea a democratic republic or antifa antifascist but that doesn't mean it's true.
/r/PurplePillDebate05/04/26 07:34 PM
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i listed privileges women have in society, if you want true equality that gap needs to be fixed as well but feminists never talk about it and some even vilify you when you mention these issues. they only seem to tackle areas where men are perceived to be privileged. can you name some examples of the lack of equality of opportunity? i just asked ai and it gave non-sense answers like gender pay gap and not enough women in leadership roles, which are outcomes and the quoted gender pay gap number wa…
/r/PurplePillDebate05/04/26 07:20 PM
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most people want to eat their cake and have it too, more news at 11. this sort of entitlement will self-correct when men stop putting up with the non-sense. the same can be said about various issues women complain about in dating fwiw.
/r/PurplePillDebate05/04/26 06:58 PM
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in what ways are women subjugated in western countries today? what feminist arguments are you referring to?
/r/PurplePillDebate05/04/26 06:50 PM
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modern feminism markets itself as an equal rights movement but it isn't in practice - it's a female interest advocacy group first and foremost. feminists want to get more women into leadership positions for example but they don't talk about women being privileged in the court system or the fact that most homeless people are men, they don't mention the draft etc. there's also an issue when it comes to equality of opportunity vs equality of outcome in a lot of left-wing movements. when people ment…
/r/PurplePillDebate05/04/26 06:47 PM
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it's very simple, you don't make women like this your gf in the first place and you most definitely don't keep them around after an occurrence like this. leave them to the streets where they belong.
/r/PurplePillDebate05/04/26 06:29 PM
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the point is that she's asking guys to settle for her and being unwilling to do the same. it's not a value judgement on whether or not 'settling' is a good idea but i don't really consider it settling to date men who are actually willing to commit to begin with. that's just her level and if she didn't fry her brain with dating apps and casual dating (aka having access to men out of her league short-term) it would probably not feel like settling to her either.
/r/PurplePillDebate04/04/26 06:50 PM
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50% of women are a big enough pool to choose from and ime you'll not only have better chances with them but also more fulfilling relationships on average. the women i met off the apps had a very unfavorable ratio of undateables, walking red flags and generally trainwrecks in the romantic department. it's so easy for women to attract men so the women who go on the apps often have do better syndrome (= delulu) or can't keep a guy around who knows them irl for some reason and end up with a bunch of…
/r/PurplePillDebate04/04/26 06:44 PM
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whatever you like to tell yourself i guess but these women you describe are a small minority. so technically it's not all women but it's certainly the vast majority. women often claim they dress up for themselves but sit around in sweatpants when they're home alone and nobody is looking.
/r/PurplePillDebate04/04/26 12:47 PM
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you're getting sexual attention which is about the cheapest currency when it comes from men towards women in the dating world. why it is validating or 'allows you to raise your standards' is a mystery to me. men don't have very high standards for sex as a collective, so unless you're looking for something casual it is as meaningless as it gets - and even if you do, virtually every woman can get laid whenever she wants through various means and with practically zero effort. guys hit on and compli…
/r/PurplePillDebate04/04/26 12:32 PM
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i feel the same way about plenty of women. it honestly seems like so many are just copy/pasted versions of each other, they are on their phones all the time, behave the same way on social media, watch reality TV or follow celebrity gossip, are into the same movies, have the same political beliefs, their hobbies boil down to 'going out' and so on. women are more conformist than men in general. it's certainly not a uniquely male thing but an important factor to this whole discussion is that men ca…
/r/PurplePillDebate04/04/26 05:34 AM
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apparently plenty of women. the most successful guy i know when it comes to women doesn't really give a shit about any of that and mostly plays video games in his free time. the main reason for his success? looks and good social skills/charm, the latter of which is a lot easier to develop if you're attractive enough to get your foot through the door with a lot of women. and by the way, being an 'educated modern women' isn't as big of a selling point to a lot of men as you seem to think it is, at…
/r/PurplePillDebate04/04/26 05:07 AM
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who attracts the most women? attractive guys, especially if they have status/money. sure, being interesting is a factor in the equation but it's certainly not the biggest one by any stretch of the imagination. you can be the most interesting guy in the room but if you lack in other areas, most women won't even look your way. i do think that some people definitely underplay the importance of personality and behavior when it comes to attraction but looks matter more for most women and everyone who…
/r/PurplePillDebate04/04/26 04:56 AM
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nobody is the villain (or loser, or whatever other negative description) in their own story and people overestimate themselves all the time, sure. that being said, you can tell by your results - are people drawn to you, are you doing well in social interactions, making people feel comfortable or laugh etc., do women respond positively to flirty conversations and/or banter, do people like having you around in general, invite you to social gatherings, involve you in conversations and so on. while …
/r/PurplePillDebate01/04/26 09:21 PM
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'give me a shot' but i bet she's refusing to give an average guy a shot because that would be settling. women like this really think the world revolves around them lmao.
/r/PurplePillDebate01/04/26 08:42 PM
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goomba fallacy. most men have low standards but it's not every man. there's also a different bar for casual compared to LTRs.
/r/PurplePillDebate01/04/26 08:35 PM
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not every woman uses or has used dating apps in the past - and personally i think that there's a much higher percentage of those women who are actually datable long-term. on the apps, women mostly go by looks because there's not much else that's visible. if you're around average looking but have other things going for you that make you stand out, you'll do better IRL. most guys who struggle aren't just average (or below) in the looks department though, they tend to lack in other areas as well (c…
/r/PurplePillDebate01/04/26 08:28 PM
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power is only a problem when men have it (according to women and feminist 'men'). like you never hear them talk about the power dynamics between sexually inexperienced men and women who have been around the block in dating - in that case it's 'the past doesn't matter'. all the shaming language is so transparent because it always seems to line up with people's self-interest. no self-assured, confident, masculine man is swayed by this non-sense, it's just the obedient 'beta' types who can feel bet…
/r/PurplePillDebate31/03/26 08:13 PM
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seems like a bad deal to me so i'd keep it casual if anything. if i'm looking for a relationship i'd want someone who has shown, through their life choices and decisions, that it's what they generally prioritize and who has experience in being in a relationship. hooking up with randoms doesn't add anything positive to the equation.
/r/PurplePillDebate31/03/26 07:54 PM
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most women are heterosexual, want a life partner sooner or later and the gender ratio is roughly 1:1. all this stuff about who's the prize yada yada makes little sense regardless who is saying it. besides, women with this mindset are going to run into plenty of men who are only interested in their bodies because that's all they really offer - which is not what most of them want.
/r/PurplePillDebate31/03/26 07:05 PM
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almost all western countries have birth rates below replacement level, overpopulation is not an issue in the west. we are importing people from less educated and highly dysfunctional societies to compensate for this. besides, kids are just about the only thing that would keep me in a meh relationship that is not very fulfilling. and i'm saying that as somebody who doesn't want kids but i see it in my friend circles, men being with women they would dump/divorce if they didn't have kids.
/r/PurplePillDebate30/03/26 06:47 PM
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whether or not i truly understand it is pretty difficult to assess objectively but i can't say that i have much sympathy for women's dating issues in general. to be fair i don't have much sympathy for people complaining and whining over relatively trivial things overall, especially not if a lot of their situation is a result of their own doing.
/r/PurplePillDebate29/03/26 07:08 PM
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if a woman can actually get what she wants, it's not delusional. the women who i think live in lala land are usually chronically single and complain about dating online, to their friends and whoever else will listen, not married to a guy 'out of their league'. but it's generally true that men are enablers of this stuff, just like women are enabling the non-committal players who juggle a rotation of options for example. the actual delulu ladies will just end up not getting what they want in the r…
/r/PurplePillDebate27/03/26 06:34 PM
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it doesn't work on it's own, you actually have to have things going for you that are attractive to women. then it does.
/r/PurplePillDebate27/03/26 06:08 PM
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western men really should be held accountable for things that some savages in a 3rd world shit hole do. ironically here in europe it's mostly women who want to import more men from these countries, not men.
/r/PurplePillDebate23/03/26 05:34 PM
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/r/PurplePillDebate23/03/26 05:32 PM
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one talks, the other gets railed by random people on camera. seems like a pretty fundamental difference to me idk. pointing to one similarity doesn't mean there's 'no fundamental difference'. like what level of logic is that even?
/r/PurplePillDebate20/03/26 03:48 AM
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more likely to be impulsive, less likely to be loyal, more likely to have mental health issues, less likely to be satisfied long-term in relationships, more likely to do drugs or drink excessively, more likely to embarrass you socially with her rep and probably some other things i'm not thinking of right now. but some people like to live in lala land to push against anything that is in any way correlated with conservatism and they ignore facts when they don't fit their world view and feelings. s…
/r/PurplePillDebate20/03/26 03:42 AM
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the 'only slutty women enjoy sex' fallacy strikes again. and btw, not all women who aren't promiscuous are conservative karens either. you do you but the thing is, you're never going to know whether someone is going to be loyal or not. promiscuity, impulsivity and attention seeking behavior are some good predictors for infidelity.
/r/PurplePillDebate20/03/26 03:37 AM
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they are often mad that the hot guy doesn't treat them like they're the most special woman on the planet, commits to them, puts in effort and so on. i mean, you even mentioned playing games. to pretend that only men are unhappy with modern dating doesn't align with reality. women don't complain about not being able to pull a hot guy because the way modern dating works, women are frequently rejected on the backend. they might be able to 'pull' hot guys but those guys might not care about them as …
/r/PurplePillDebate19/03/26 10:35 PM
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we are always competing with other people when it comes to dating. it might not be directly (i don't do that either) but you still have to be viewed as the best option for someone who actually has options and you're also competing with the perks of being single (in fact women frequently make this point but it applies to desirable men too, perhaps even more so). the difference (at least in my opinion) is that a larger percentage of the traits that make men desirable to women are beneficial for th…
/r/PurplePillDebate19/03/26 10:30 PM
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for sex, sure. there's always gonna be more dudes that would bang your girl than other women who would want to sleep with you (extreme celebrity examples aside). most women don't want to sleep around for all of eternity though and casual sex is a lot less satisfying and more risky for women on average which creates this disparity to begin with - coupled with the fact that women are typically attracted to a much smaller percentage of men than vice-versa. men in general tend to be more interested …
/r/PurplePillDebate19/03/26 10:21 PM
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not everyone is equally desired by the opposite sex. as an example, some guys get dozens of matches a day on the apps while another guy might not get a single one for weeks. everybody knows that this is what the reality of dating looks like, so logically there is in fact some sort of desirability hierarchy - even though virtually nobody is everyone's cup of tea. even when it comes to sub groups like conservatives, liberals, alternative people and whatever else, there are people who are more or l…
/r/PurplePillDebate19/03/26 10:01 PM
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life in general isn't fair it and it shouldn't be. just remember that 'cultural expectations aren't erased over night' and the evolutionary arguments when it comes to things you personally take issue with. unfortunately people are rarely consistent with this type of line of thought.
/r/PurplePillDebate18/03/26 12:54 PM
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your friends pay for your food, drive you around, buy you flowers? how does that even work? do you do it for each other or is it just one-sided? because in dating, it's the latter. mentioning paying for dates would be pointless anyway if you just take turns since it's the same as just splitting the bill.
/r/PurplePillDebate18/03/26 12:35 PM
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a man has to be very naive and/or inexperienced to think that a woman is his dream girl in the early stages of dating though. at least if she was a stranger to begin with, like having met off an app or something.
/r/PurplePillDebate18/03/26 12:26 PM
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it's kind of pointless to argue with you if you don't even understand your own words and their implication or at least pretend not to. let me ask you this: why did you bring up 'getting to have a sleepover every night with your best friend' as a great way to live for some people in response to a thread that is making an anti marriage argument? clearly you are implying that this is in fact a benefit of marriage. everyone with a rudimentary understanding of rhetoric understands this. you can read …
/r/PurplePillDebate17/03/26 03:42 PM
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first of all, not having 50/50 custody isn't the same thing as ignoring your kids. secondly, while the law might be neutral in it's word, it doesn't mean that it is actually applied this way - otherwise women wouldn't get shorter sentences than men for the same crimes either, for example. when it comes to custody in particular, there's historical context as well (tender years doctrine). getting rid of biases doesn't happen overnight. do you have an actual source for your claim other than the wor…
/r/PurplePillDebate17/03/26 03:36 PM
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it's simple: women overlook red flags and bad behavior if the guy they date is desirable enough but blame manipulation and whatever else retroactively instead of taking accountability for their own decisions once it blows up in their face.
/r/PurplePillDebate17/03/26 03:22 PM
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'Marriage isn’t for everyone. But for a lot of people getting to have a sleepover every night with your best friend (with opportunities for some extra fun adult time) is a great way to live.' literally you, as well as multiple other people who list random things that have nothing to do with the legal concept of marriage.
/r/PurplePillDebate17/03/26 03:18 PM
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'You can’t judge an entire concept based on one couple’s experience which sounds like exactly what you’re doing here.' it's not one couple's experience, it happens to millions of people around the globe at a very high rate. simply citing an example from one's personal life doesn't negate that. and by the way, the benefits you listed for marriage can be handled through power of attorney and aren't exclusive to the legal concept of marriage either.
/r/PurplePillDebate17/03/26 03:16 PM
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that is in fact not it. it also comes with legal risks and handing over power to the government. if all it gave people was protection and benefits, nobody would argue against the concept.
/r/PurplePillDebate17/03/26 03:05 PM
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what's naive is to pretend that marriages crashing and burning isn't something that happens all the time to all kinds of people. he might be citing an anecdote from his personal life but divorce is incredibly common.
/r/PurplePillDebate17/03/26 03:02 PM
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who says i don't understand it? the guy listed something that has nothing to do with marriage as a benefit of it, it makes no sense. people do this all the time in different ways, including multiple instances in this very thread.
/r/PurplePillDebate17/03/26 03:00 PM
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exactly, no one says you have to get married to live together but people like to bring up things that aren't exclusive to marriage as benefits of marriage for some reason. it's illogical and worth pointing out.
/r/PurplePillDebate17/03/26 02:59 PM
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people don't owe each other anything in general really, unless you take out a loan i guess.
/r/PurplePillDebate17/03/26 02:02 PM
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you don't need marriage for that
/r/PurplePillDebate17/03/26 01:57 PM
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who says that every single mom has a baby daddy who ignores his kids? women who are single and have children are considered single mothers, certainly if they have majority custody but many men would include women with split custody in the definition as well. in fact, this is a definition you can find in dictionaries such as merriam-webster too: 'The meaning of SINGLE MOTHER is a mother who does not have a husband or partner.'
/r/PurplePillDebate17/03/26 02:49 AM
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not all of course, but plenty do - and some guys definitely date women they wouldn't be with if they had more choices. millions in fact.
/r/PurplePillDebate17/03/26 02:46 AM
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women can sense misogyny with their female intuition and are more socially attuned than men... only until they date a hot, desirable, rich, etc. guy.
/r/PurplePillDebate16/03/26 05:48 PM
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do you honestly think that guys with a lot of options are equally as likely to choose single moms as long-term partners as some below average guy who doesn't get much female attention? of course desperation is a factor. i literally don't know a single guy in my personal life who has his pick of the litter with women and chose a single mother. maybe if they're 50+ idk.
/r/PurplePillDebate16/03/26 05:42 PM
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did the dad just bail though? sure it happens too but that's certainly not always the case.
/r/PurplePillDebate16/03/26 05:38 PM
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virtually every woman can get a man, it's not a difficult task. men as a collective have very low standards, in particular average and average below men. the question is whether a particular woman can get the man she wants and being a single mom is a net negative for her dating life no matter how you slice it. i don't think there's a reason to hate on single moms of course but kids growing up without fathers is not good for society so we shouldn't be encouraging either. not everybody who talks a…
/r/PurplePillDebate16/03/26 05:35 PM
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i'm sure every single woman being mistreated is dating a master manipulator. the female intuition that we all keep hearing about seems to be malfunctioning pretty regularly. it's also interesting how many women claim to have dated narcissists given that they only make up a small minority of the population. either these women are talking out of their ass or they do share a small percentage of men with all the other women in their predicament. which one is it?
/r/PurplePillDebate15/03/26 04:13 PM
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i have seen women cheat and be terrible partners in various ways and i don't assume all women are like that but i never ended up in a relationship with one of these women either. you can still vet people and spot red flags, it's not a difficult concept. the famous female intuition seems to malfunctioning pretty regularly somehow.
/r/PurplePillDebate15/03/26 04:08 PM
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more attractive men aren't much more likely to be shitty partners but average women don't qualify for attractive, desirable men for anything but short-term fun. it's actually a pretty easy concept to understand - women's most desirable 'options' (like matches on dating apps) are not actual long-term options because men date down when it comes to casual sex. it seems that no woman who chronically struggles romantically wants to believe in this humbling but obvious reality. they'd rather blame luc…
/r/PurplePillDebate15/03/26 03:57 PM
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plenty of women say things like men are lonely or undatable or whatever because they're misogynists, don't see women as people, voted for trump, don't do chores, are bad people in some way yada yada. it's non-sense in most individual cases and certainly in a general sense. and yes, surprise surprise, young guys want to date young women (and some older guys do as well). some make the argument that the younger women who respond positively to dark triad traits are red flags themselves but it's just…
/r/PurplePillDebate14/03/26 12:42 PM
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well, i wasn't a good person in my teenage years and i never struggled with girls throughout high school or college and saw dudes who were certainly more virtuous than me be invisible. people live in delulu land if they think being a good guy attracts young women. it doesn't necessarily repulse them if you're good looking and charismatic, not a people pleaser etc. but a lot of younger women are attracted to the concept of 'bad boys' in itself regardless. you can try and gaslight young men into r…
/r/PurplePillDebate14/03/26 12:24 PM
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it's interesting that cultural, historical and social norms are upheld when they benefit women, including by feminist - but whenever they don't, they're patriarchial, outdated and whatnot.
/r/PurplePillDebate14/03/26 12:15 PM
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you live in a different reality it seems (not talking about the age part)
/r/PurplePillDebate14/03/26 11:10 AM
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women try to police men's standards and portray them as character flaws all the time. dating younger? predator. passing on promiscuous women? insecure. into submissive women? misogynist. dating abroad? loser. preferring certain features, body types etc? toxic beauty standards, shallow, doesn't see women as people and so on - and most of these narratives are pretty mainstream atp, certainly in more liberal spaces. it's not really a gendered thing. go ahead and have whatever standards you want but…
/r/PurplePillDebate13/03/26 05:13 PM
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in 1995 barely anyone used the internet, certainly not regularly. even in the early 2000s OLD was not nearly as widespread as it is today. people would make up stories on how they met because they were embarrassed about using dating sites, that's how niche it was for quite a while. the popularity of sites and apps like tinder exploded 1-2 decades after match.com was launched. while you might technically be correct, the vast majority of people did not engage in online dating back then, unlike tod…
/r/PurplePillDebate12/03/26 05:51 PM
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thanks for making a blue pilled argument on why it makes sense to judge female promiscuity more harshly than men's. inb4 NOOO, NOT LIKE THAT
/r/PurplePillDebate12/03/26 05:46 PM
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plenty of women are in relationships or want relationships with men who aren't 'good guys'. the idea that men who are good looking and not kind, empathetic etc. struggle to attract women long-term is a delusion. now i don't think there's anything wrong with it, you like what you like but this post is a false dichotomy. and if women complain about the consequences of their own actions and choices, you can't expect too much sympathy, especially not when they collectively blame men/the patriarchy y…
/r/PurplePillDebate11/03/26 08:04 PM
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i have as a teenager more than 15 years ago. i haven't since and it's not because of the reasons you listed.
/r/PurplePillDebate11/03/26 08:18 AM
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just like all the shaming language towards men and their preferences, it all boils down to a simple reality: women want as much leverage over men as possible when it comes to dating. they want to dictate the terms, they don't want to do more and compete just like they don't want men to have standards that categorically exclude them. some women also carry resentment from their past experiences with men and hate the sight of a man being happy and treated well by his woman. some women in the west a…
/r/PurplePillDebate09/03/26 09:45 AM
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milfs are a common fantasy among younger guys ime and there's also the variety factor. besides that, plenty of men are attracted to older women in general too, it's just that younger women are usually perceived as more attractive on average. there's a reason why women get botox, anti-aging products and so on but it doesn't mean that women over 30 are hideous. the paradox you describe isn't really any more common than women who are attracted to stereotypical bad boys but want a stable and kind pa…
/r/PurplePillDebate08/03/26 07:25 PM
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i absolutely agree with you and have a similar perspective. it's just slightly annoying when women in that predicament blame everyone but themself, including men as a collective. i also think it's valid to call out delusion without intending on changing a particular person.
/r/PurplePillDebate08/03/26 04:27 PM
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south korea has the lowest birth rate on the planet, way under replacement level. they're headed for extinction if nothing changes. i mean i don't care personally but i do think social media and dating apps fry a lot of women's brains. it is what it is though, it's not like there are no negative influences for men too (like porn for example). i never understood why we are supposed to care about the birth rates, it ain't going to be my problem and you can expect people to have more kids solely fo…
/r/PurplePillDebate08/03/26 04:24 PM
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israel can. off topic of course but it's an interesting fact.
/r/PurplePillDebate08/03/26 04:20 PM
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my political views have nothing to do with sex and vice versa. none of my exes were porn bimbo types, i just don't see the connection there whatsoever. i'm also not sure why you think conservative men are especially susceptible to the influence of pornography and there are plenty of liberal women who love to be dominated in the bedroom too for example. the conservative men i know seem to treat their wives pretty well, like actual people you know. gender roles and male/female polarity are not pro…
/r/PurplePillDebate08/03/26 03:40 PM
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something that is natural doesn't have to occur in a majority of instances. also people do shame men who end up with someone younger though or are we going to pretend that doesn't happen?
/r/PurplePillDebate08/03/26 08:07 AM
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your entire premise is not backed by anything but your own opinion in the first place. if you provided some data you might have had a point but you won't because there is none. it's you that is making baseless assumptions in the first place because it fits your world view, not me. and btw, people have had these preferences before the red pill existed. it's not 'red pilled BS', it's normal human behavior that has been observed across many/most societies across the world and human history. i'm sur…
/r/PurplePillDebate08/03/26 07:57 AM
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did you even read my post? you're operating under the assumption that only incels have this preference which is not based in reality. that's the entire point.
/r/PurplePillDebate08/03/26 07:57 AM
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'by most' - citation needed. also, the average person is so unimpressive that their opinion holds no value to somebody who's actually accomplished. men like this still have rich social lives, women willing to date them and so on. that's all i'm pointing out, you're the one who called the situation an 'issue' when in reality it simply isn't.
/r/PurplePillDebate07/03/26 06:24 PM
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i think those guys are just as delusional, don't worry. it's not what this thread is about though. women who aren't happy with their choices might be opting out but they don't do so quietly either in a lot of cases. in fact they blame men and come up with narratives like there not being enough good guys for all the amazing women on the planet. kind of what OP is talking about.
/r/PurplePillDebate07/03/26 06:18 PM
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you will always find some people with hyperbolic takes like your opening door example. there are 8 billion people so there are going to be anecdotes for just about anything. i could provide way worse quotes from women and you would dismiss them as outliers (and rightfully so in most cases). one thing that isn't an anecdote is the fact that female in-group bias is 4.5x higher than the male equivalent. neither is the women are wonderful effect for example.
/r/PurplePillDebate07/03/26 06:07 PM
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men call other men out for simping, being doormats, ignoring red flags, dating ticking time bombs, having no standards and so on all the time. idk where you get this perspective from but you'll see this even in manosphere content. of course that's not always the case but it certainly isn't this dichotomy that you've described. on the other hand i see plenty of women comforting other women with empty feelgood platitudes when they struggle (romantically or otherwise). people have even made social …
/r/PurplePillDebate07/03/26 05:55 PM
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western feminists throwing tantrums over some perceived injustice against them. i can't express my shock level in words that would be adequate to the situation. male and female attraction is asymmetrical, so who these women think their equal is in the realm of dating is irrelevant. it's not 'unfair' that they can't get who they desire and that men they deem beneath them can. more importantly, they're not going to change that reality. dating essentially operates like a market. you get what you qu…
/r/PurplePillDebate07/03/26 05:44 PM
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the world doesn't operate in this utopian way where everything is fair. a guy who is handsome, charming, wealthy etc. can have his cake and eat it too, just like some women can. and guess what, when people get the chance they often do just that. people get the best deal they can, whether it's in their career or romantic life or wherever else - not what's 'fair'. the fact that some women or guys way below them in the social hierarchy think they're hypocrites doesn't matter. not to them, not in pr…
/r/PurplePillDebate07/03/26 05:32 PM
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'These are generally guys who aren't social'. that's what you said. sure, social shut ins might be hyperbolic but that's not at all the point of my post. the point is that men who are vastly more successful with women, who have bigger social circles etc. than you can have the same preferences as the guys you described. i've seen it dozens of times to the point where i seriously wonder how points like yours keep coming up in these discussions. to ascribe some sort of inherent failure, insecurity …
/r/PurplePillDebate07/03/26 05:21 PM
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the idea that only social shut ins avoid promiscuous party girls for relationships is hilarious to me. i know guys who have been with dozens if not hundreds of women who operate this way. popular dudes with big social circles, not guys who have been bullied and are ridden with insecurities. idk why some of you people insist on this narrative any time this type of topic comes up - how anyone who doesn't align with your world view is some sort of failure. THAT sounds actually very insecure to me i…
/r/PurplePillDebate07/03/26 05:11 PM
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some of the most romantically successful guys i know are also the most selective when it comes to relationships. they've banged some guy's party girl gf in the past and maybe even saw her calling her bf the next day while still in bed with them. they've dealt with enough women to recognize patterns and they have some sort of social status and don't want to be the guy who marries the former town bike. the idea that only incels and social failures have standards and preferences that go against the…
/r/PurplePillDebate07/03/26 05:04 PM
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of course men pursue women who are down to have casual fun when casual fun is all they look for. plenty of guys actively avoid the traits of stereotypical party girls for relationships however. and no, it's not insecurity yada yada feminist bs narrative, it's just rational decision making and pattern recognition. where i'm from it's a social embarrassment to call the girl that's been around the block a bunch your gf as well. those dudes get pitied and clowned on and nobody wants to be that guy. …
/r/PurplePillDebate07/03/26 04:53 PM
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he doesn't give a fuck about what random people think. what matters is whether he can get what he wants or not and most of the time he can. he usually doesn't share his preferences, standards and so on with a bunch of random people for them to form an opinion in the first place. i know enough of those type of men. shaming from feminists and random people online is irrelevant to them.
/r/PurplePillDebate07/03/26 04:43 PM
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i don't really think it's a good 1:1 comparison tbh. plenty of guys go for a type of woman casually that they would actively avoid for LTRs. imo it's more about the fact that young guys primarily want to get laid - and they seek out a certain type of woman because she's perceived as easier, not necessarily more attractive. for women it's just straight up attraction to men who show social competence/dominance, are extroverted and so on. it's not like all 'good girls' are plain janes or unattracti…
/r/PurplePillDebate07/03/26 04:41 PM
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you'll meet plenty of men who want the same things in partner in the real world too. those viewpoints are not just an online thing. it's not an exclusively male thing either and plenty of women out there hold the opinion that men should cater to their expectations, change their political affiliation, become 'better' in whatever metrics they deem important in order to have romantic success with them or women like them - and proclaim it as such. whether or not anyone cares is up to them of course …
/r/PurplePillDebate07/03/26 04:26 PM
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personally i've seen too many guys actually get cucked by their party girl gfs in my lifetime to buy into the insecurity narrative. pattern recognition is just normal human behavior. i'm sure your girl is different though bro
/r/PurplePillDebate07/03/26 04:15 PM
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if a guy just wants to get laid, of course he's going to seek out women who are down to have no strings attached casual fun - but traits that correlate with promiscuity like impulsivity or tendencies like higher likelihood of cheating or lower rates of relationship satisfaction don't exactly make them very good long-term partners on average. dating the stereotypical wild party girl types often comes with a lot of relationship instability. where i grew up, calling the girls that have been around …
/r/PurplePillDebate07/03/26 03:35 PM
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a minority of men, especially in the current day and age. besides, many of the men who do were stuck in unhappy or one-sided relationships and marriages. nobody tells women to stay in those situations but when men leave and happen to go for a younger woman after, they're demonized.
/r/PurplePillDebate06/03/26 03:46 PM
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women do the same thing (using nature as an explanation when it suits their argument and dismissing it when it doesn't) but regardless it's not productive to look at human behavior from either a purely naturally deterministic perspective or a blank slate 'everything is a social construct' lens. the reality is somewhere in between.
/r/PurplePillDebate06/03/26 03:38 PM
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it is, but that's basically AF/BB so it's not true according to mainstream narratives i guess. regardless, there are things that are 'natural' (as in they occur in unregulated/unrestricted circumstances and environments) that have been made illegal by society. unfortunately paternity fraud really isn't one of them.
/r/PurplePillDebate06/03/26 03:35 PM
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you can of course listen to whoever you want and some of the points you make are definitely fair. women however have the tendency to coddle other women with empty feelgood platitudes in the name of empathy rather than giving pragmatic advice to actually improve their situation (which can be uncomfortable to hear sometimes). you can even see it in anonymous female spaces here on reddit - women telling other women that it's 'his loss' and that they will 'find their person' and 'deserve' without ev…
/r/PurplePillDebate06/03/26 03:10 PM
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whether you believe in leagues or not, it's a simple fact of life that some people are more desirable than others. it's not an entirely rigid hierarchy but generally speaking, a man who possesses traits that are highly desired by a majority of women (good looking, interesting, wealthy, charismatic, funny, charming, masculine) will date women (long-term) who have qualities that are generally highly desired by men (attractive, feminine, nurturing, peaceful, grateful/not entitled etc.) sure, people…
/r/PurplePillDebate05/03/26 01:45 PM
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greater man than you (or any 'alpha') have been cheated on. cheaters often crave novelty/excitement, are impulsive and obviously women can easily attract desirable men for affairs, short-term flings or whatever. if you invest into a woman who cheated, you're taking an unnecessary risk. if you're a top shelf guy, you definitely don't have to compromise on that and invite liabilities into your life.
/r/PurplePillDebate05/03/26 08:38 AM
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yes, you can want what you want. yes, you can date who you want - and as you said, accept the consequences. don't make up narratives about how there aren't enough good men for all the amazing single women, deflect any accountability and blame the dating culture, apps and whatever else for your results. if you go online to complain about all of this, you should expect people to give their opinions on it. you might not like it, but if you can't hold down a man you're probably batting out of your l…
/r/PurplePillDebate05/03/26 08:22 AM
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i'm curious: since you've explained why it makes less sense for women to be promiscuous, would you agree with people who look at male and female promiscuity differently or at least be like 'fair enough'? or does the logic go out of the window in that case, in a 'whatever fits my narrative and world view' sort of fashion?
/r/PurplePillDebate04/03/26 08:41 PM
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it's not settling when men choose you over their other options. men who marry the good girl aren't necessarily bored with them (in fact the guys in my circles never seem to be). men aren't chasing promiscuous baddies to try and lock them down, fail over and over again and reluctantly marry the nice girl, generally speaking. i know some women who have dated this way and not a single guy. men who have hooked up with the party girl types in their youth and then married a completely different woman …
/r/PurplePillDebate01/03/26 08:43 PM
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strong men don't pedestalize women or simp for them, they have high standards for relationships and don't placate to women to win their favor etc. betas/weak men on the other hand...
/r/PurplePillDebate01/03/26 08:13 PM
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even if you were correct (i personally disagree), simping doesn't get you laid anyway.
/r/PurplePillDebate01/03/26 08:09 PM
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attractive men don't necessarily treat women as disposable. they're more likely to but it's not an inherent trait. average women however only have access to attractive men who treat them as disposable. attractive men who want relationships, build a life with someone etc. aren't checking for them. being chronically single, in situationships etc. is partly a result of batting out of your league and only attracting short-term options as a result, not of dating attractive men in general.
/r/PurplePillDebate01/03/26 07:35 PM
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lol, no. i'll talk about some things with a gf but that's about it.
/r/PurplePillDebate01/03/26 07:29 PM
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men who date multiple women don't complain about their situation. women who date these men often do. i don't care about what people do in their personal lives but you're not going to convince someone to do something for your benefit, against their own self-interest.
/r/PurplePillDebate01/03/26 07:15 PM
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women give signals to men they're attracted to. some are harder to spot than others and a lot of men seem oblivious to it but they're there regardless - at least when you're not dealing with strangers (although really attractive guys will get plenty of signals from strangers too). if you're mostly dating strangers it's important to understand that a lot of women aren't really attracted to a significant amount of men they don't know at all though. there's some initial attraction in some cases, bu…
/r/PurplePillDebate27/02/26 06:05 AM
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unless they're strangers and you had no makeup on, any rating is pretty irrelevant. i dated women who i'm sure were told similar things by people around them but they were 6s or 7s when waking up next to me if i'm being honest and objective. honestly, that might be your problem. you think you're a 9, are shooting for guys of that caliber but they aren't giving you any time of the day because they have endless options. the 'hoes' you talk about get their attention because they're down to have fun…
/r/PurplePillDebate27/02/26 05:54 AM
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i mean, i have rejected women for their dating history and i know plenty of guys who put certain women in the 'for fun only' category based on that. this was before smartphones, dating apps becoming mainstream, instagram and so on so definitely not a terminally online thing. in those times it was actually incredibly easy to get a good idea of a girl's dating history, if someone is looking for a gf on dating apps today it's not as straight forward. of course a lot of guys won't directly ask but u…
/r/PurplePillDebate27/02/26 05:43 AM
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celebrities live in a different world, you really can't compare it. just like leo dating women decades younger than him, they're not representative of the general population. my personal experience is the opposite. the attractive good girls from my high school, college and general social circles are mostly married. some of the hoes are but there's a good chunk of divorcees, seemingly chronically single women etc. too. none of my close friends married women with extensive pasts from what i can te…
/r/PurplePillDebate27/02/26 05:31 AM
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when i was your age, a lot of guys did in fact go for the hoes but it wasn't to settle down with them or even have a relationship in most cases. young men want to get laid, they don't think about marriage and life partners, they often want fun without too much effort - generally speaking, at least if they have options. if you think the women in these situations are winning, that's your perspective i guess but there's usually not too much investment after they have sex and the attention is purely…
/r/PurplePillDebate27/02/26 05:24 AM
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wasn't there a study posted here sometime recently that showed that men with high partner counts are more misogynistic on average? it lines up with my own experience too - i think the idea that it's just incels who are this way has no basis in reality. it's just something feminists want to be true because it means that moral failure (in their eyes) directly correlates with a man's desirability to women. it doesn't.
/r/PurplePillDebate27/02/26 02:37 AM
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if i could snap my fingers and just manifest my ideal woman into reality, her being well-off would be part of it. in the real world, it's pretty low on my priority list as long as she doesn't have a bunch of debt or irresponsible spending habits. other things simply matter more to me and i'm not interested in significantly reducing my potential dating pool to women who earn around the same.
/r/PurplePillDebate27/02/26 02:18 AM
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i don't need variety when i'm in an actual happy relationship and my needs are being met. i don't get bored being with the same woman for years in those cases. if i'm not happy, i just break up. that being said, i think younger guys can certainly be tempted by variety and actively seek it out - i know i have before. when you don't have much experience and are fueled by testosterone, things look different. as i got older, going on dates with new women frequently has become exhausting rather than …
/r/PurplePillDebate26/02/26 09:07 PM
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i lived in thailand for 2 years and live in eastern europe right now. i've also travelled to/lived in various other places outside of the western hemisphere. do you have a single source substantiating your claim? i mean i know you don't because there aren't any but i'll ask regardless.
/r/PurplePillDebate26/02/26 08:33 PM
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the guy i replied to is hyperfixating on financial differences between western and eastern countries and i'm pointing out that that's not the only difference between those countries. logically that means that PPBs are not necessarily 'targeting' women from poorer countries because of the wealth disparity but somehow that goes over some people's head and they ascribe nefarious reasons as the only logical explanation when, by definition, it is not. hope that clears things up because you seem a bit…
/r/PurplePillDebate26/02/26 08:28 PM
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you're the delusional one if you think there are no cultural differences observable on a macro level when you compare patriarchal countries to egalitarian societies. you think the average passport bro will treat women as bad as the local male population in afghanistan too? have you ever left your home country? yes, there are shitty people anywhere but pretending that everyone is the same, every culture is equally good yada yada is the peak of modern liberal delusion. fwiw, i lived in thailand fo…
/r/PurplePillDebate26/02/26 08:13 PM
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it's not about race, it's about culture. some cultures are more patriarchal than western culture. in fact most are, given that the most egalitarian countries in the world are western. that doesn't mean that every person from country X is doing Y better/worse than someone from country Z. there are however tendencies that are observable on a macro level. to pretend that certain countries/cultures don't come with higher rates of abuse, control etc. against women is a liberal delusion that doesn't a…
/r/PurplePillDebate26/02/26 08:10 PM
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you keep bringing up underage women - are you under the impression that this is the norm for men who date abroad in any fashion? because it most definitely is not.
/r/PurplePillDebate26/02/26 08:06 PM
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you haven't addressed any of my points with logical arguments, which isn't exactly surprising. i mean you made a whole ass thread about how a woman (who's facing two felony charges now) did nothing wrong and defended her blindly while painting any pushback to the 'doordash girl' as misogyny. the women are wonderful bias in full effect. people like you like to think that they're morally superior and therefore their judgement is valid and judgement they deem as invalid is problematic. it's a solip…
/r/PurplePillDebate26/02/26 08:03 PM
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have you considered the fact that the level of income is not the only difference between western and eastern countries?
/r/PurplePillDebate26/02/26 07:44 PM
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there are plenty of those types of men (sexpats) in SEA but to pretend that every westerner there is like that is simply delusional. many 'passport bros' don't want to have anything to do with sexpats, it's a frequent point of discussion in the related spaces fwiw. there are normal expats, digital nomads, guys who study abroad and whatnot too. i lived in thailand for 2 years, i didn't move there for women/dating but i've met 6'3'' guys from sweden who'd clean up anywhere in the world talking abo…
/r/PurplePillDebate26/02/26 07:37 PM
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because part of our behavior, choices and preferences are shaped by culture. there's also the exotic factor or the fact that western men are taller than let's say asian men on average. in asia specifically, light skin is still put on a pedestal by many people as well.
/r/PurplePillDebate26/02/26 07:29 PM
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(young) women in korea are more liberal and feminist than women from some western countries like germany. painting korean women as traditional is just uninformed fantasy. i wouldn't be surprised if there's a similar pattern in japan or singapore (fairly sure about japan actually) even if not as pronounced - do you have any data on those countries or are you just going by feel like with korea?
/r/PurplePillDebate26/02/26 07:26 PM
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if you don't think that a lot of local men in countries like thailand treat women poorly then you haven't actually talked to women from those countries or ever been there yourself. like, you really don't think that more patriarchal countries result in cultures that are more beneficial for men at the cost of women? always interesting to see liberals be completely oblivious to this reality.
/r/PurplePillDebate26/02/26 07:18 PM
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maybe your definition of success isn't someone else's? maybe some guys didn't have to travel across the planet but chose to?
/r/PurplePillDebate26/02/26 05:49 PM
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why are some people so desperate to shame and put down those people somehow, to tell them they're morally inferior or whatever else? besides that, this is a debate sub. it's not like this is universal to PPBs or whatever either. liberal women generally take issue with slutshaming even though they can go and hoe around as much as they want in the west. why do they need everyone's approval to do so and write whole ass articles in mainstream news outlets about how problematic slut shaming is?
/r/PurplePillDebate26/02/26 05:40 PM
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shaming is a tool used to try and influence male behavior, women don't want to lose leverage in the dating game and many don't want to see men 'win' in general either. not to mention that women have a very high in-group bias in general. a lot of the discourse around things like dating foreign or younger women or men having certain standards and preferences is downstream from that. you'll never convince them with logical arguments because they didn't arrive at their position through logic - it's …
/r/PurplePillDebate26/02/26 05:35 PM
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but women want exceptional men, that's the point. in today's western dating culture sex comes before commitment and women can sleep with men who'd never commit to them much more easily than men can vice-versa. as i said, situationships and being strung along or used for sex are issues primarily voiced by women, not men. men usually are complaining about not being able to get their foot in the door to begin with, obviously they're not gatekeeping anything.
/r/PurplePillDebate24/02/26 04:50 AM
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yet the manosphere is labelled as dangerous and presented as being influential on young men, to the point that netflix made a mini series about it and it is written about in mainstream news articles. to pretend that one side affects how people act and think in the real world while the other does not is simply delusional. some of these female content creators have hundreds of thousands, if not millions, of followers. their comment sections are filled with women agreeing with their message.
/r/PurplePillDebate24/02/26 04:43 AM
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people's brains are not wired to deal with large numbers of other people (or various other things for that matter), it's a result of having lived in tribes or small villages for most of our ancestors' history. i'm old enough to remember dating before apps and social media became mainstream and dating through social circles, school, college, work etc. was (and still is to some degree) quite different compared to online dating. people are more realistic about their options, more concerned about th…
/r/PurplePillDebate24/02/26 04:28 AM
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only a certain percentage of men gatekeep relationships - the guys that have a lot of options/are desirable to a lot of different women. the average dude doesn't have much leverage and the 'men gatekeep relationships' narrative doesn't actually apply to most men. the main reason for all the points you listed is scarcity. however it's still mostly women who complain about situationships and being strung along, used for sex and so on. when a guy can get with a woman in the first place, he most lik…
/r/PurplePillDebate22/02/26 06:21 AM
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in my experience women just like to go out and all that more than men in general (talking about averages here) and it can also be hard to meet women who are leaning more towards being a homebody due to the logistics of it. you can't exactly go around knocking on doors and looking for dates. i'd definitely prefer someone who's more introverted, likes to stay in a decent amount and read a book or something, someone who doesn't constantly crave novelty and so on but i just don't come across many wo…
/r/PurplePillDebate18/02/26 11:21 PM
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some are in denial too. they think it's just 'normal' and how things are supposed to be. that it's somehow part of being in a relationship, to put the woman on a pedestal and accept whatever crumbs you get. nobody is the villain (or loser or w/e) in their own story. people reframe things all the time to cope.
/r/PurplePillDebate16/02/26 12:10 AM
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did you ever consider the fact that he doesn't want any of the women he sleeps with to stick? because that's the reality the vast majority of the time. if you heard how these guys talk about their 'conquests' it becomes pretty clear that they are just glorified masturbation devices to them, not someone they want to build an emotional connection with but are unable to. this notion seems so disconnected from reality to me when you see women routinely complaining about non-committal men, being used…
/r/PurplePillDebate16/02/26 12:00 AM
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i'm sure that's what your life looks like, that's why you're here trying to flex about it to strangers on reddit.
/r/PurplePillDebate15/02/26 11:55 PM
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men don't feel used after casual sex, women do - at least in general and overwhelmingly so. the supply:demand ratio is hugely skewed in the casual dating scene. a guy getting laid without commitment is winning in that interaction when you look at it from that perspective. men also enjoy casual sex a lot more than women (hence the mentioned disparity) and it's less risky for us too. it's validating because men have to outcompete other men and be desirable to get access to women casually while wom…
/r/PurplePillDebate15/02/26 11:40 PM
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i've seen plenty of women who downgraded when it comes looks and charisma (as well as other traits) with their husbands. it's the logical conclusion given that men date down in casual contexts. an average woman can sleep with above average men without commitment but if she wants marriage, she'll have to 'settle' for an average guy. that's just the reality because women can bat out of their league when it comes to hookups.
/r/PurplePillDebate15/02/26 11:30 PM
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not every cheater gets caught. i know guys who have cheated dozens of times and are still married or in relationships with women they have dated for 5+ years. men who sleep around a bunch aren't necessarily flawed in some inherent way. it's actually pretty natural behavior and the guys i know who have had a wild past aren't insecure at all. if anything lacking female attention can make men very insecure in my experience. they worship female validation, put up with BS from women, overlook red fla…
/r/PurplePillDebate15/02/26 11:24 PM
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i'm friends with guys who have been with hundreds of women and they're mostly in very long-term relationships or marriages now with attractive and overall desirable women. dealing with a lot of different women and getting first hand experience is definitely useful even when it comes to relationships. you might not get 'relationship skills' but you certainly learn to vet women, understand red flags and so on. being able to attract a lot of women rather effortlessly also usually means that you don…
/r/PurplePillDebate15/02/26 11:10 PM
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male sexual interest can only be validating if you don't actually understand men/male sexuality. i'm honestly surprised by the amount of women who have casual sex for external validation because men are not very selective about who they sleep with as long as it doesn't require much effort - women in comparison however overwhelmingly are. being a better choice than a guy's hand shouldn't be flattering or some sort of ego boost really but it's frequently cited as a motivator in these instances. no…
/r/PurplePillDebate15/02/26 10:54 PM
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depends on the woman and how much she likes you, but a lot of guys don't know or care to vet women, are ignorant/borderline delusional and/or don't have any standards especially if they are in scarcity - or they drop the ball too often when getting too comfortable in a relationship of course. attractive women have no shortage of options but not all of them cheat whenever they get the chance.
/r/PurplePillDebate15/02/26 10:38 PM
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i think a lot of women would be in for a rude awakening if they only got attention from guys who were serious about them. it sounds good in a vacuum and in a way it would be of course but the reality is that their most desirable 'options' (by relatively objective metrics, such as looks, career status, social competence etc.) wouldn't pay them any attention anymore whatsoever and it would be a humbling experience to say the least. if you tell women who complain about never being chosen, only bein…
/r/PurplePillDebate12/02/26 11:29 PM
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maybe other men just have different priorities and preferences when it comes to women? i mean i don't date the airhead bimbo types, i definitely wouldn't date just any 20 something year old woman but there are women in that age bracket who have a better head on their shoulders, more common sense, a higher IQ etc. than most women who find themselves single in their mid 30s (which is around my age). sometimes i wonder if guys like you are just projecting, partly because you were clueless in your 2…
/r/PurplePillDebate12/02/26 10:37 PM
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i don't care about people judging me for my preferences, especially since they're usually certain types who's opinion is pretty much worthless to me regardless of what it is about. if anything it's mildly entertaining to see some people crash out about age gaps tbh. this is however a discussion board, specifically one for debates. also, what's your opinion on feminists who bring up slut shaming and how it is problematic for example? are they too just insecure about the fact that people judge the…
/r/PurplePillDebate12/02/26 10:30 PM
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emotionally intelligent and empathetic gender btw. the reality is that women have a massive in-group bias and that female solipsism is, at the very least, different than male solipsism. i understood the differences in male and female sexuality (or at least some aspects of it) when i was a teenager, yet you have these grown ass women running around the internet thinking the world revolves around them and their world views, preferences and so on. kinda laughable.
/r/PurplePillDebate12/02/26 10:21 PM
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yeah, i'm sure no woman wants the celebrities and men in the fortune 500 who are in age gap relationships if they could. it's just such a laughable argument. the reason it gives older women the 'ick' is because it's an uncomfortable blow to the ego coupled with the fact that the emotionally intelligent and empathetic gender actually can't relate to men at all and perceives their own preferences as some sort of moral baseline.
/r/PurplePillDebate12/02/26 10:13 PM
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this argument is based on the narrative that desirable men don't date younger, which they do. it really is just a sour grapes mentality for the most part, at least when applied to men in general rather than some individual man they know. the 'would go younger if legal' argument falls apart once you realize that men who date younger rarely pursue 18 year olds and once you consider the fact that the age of consent is lower than 18 in most states and european countries already.
/r/PurplePillDebate12/02/26 10:08 PM
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men are not women and we are not attracted to the same things. humans are dimorphic and our differences are most pronounced in anything relating to sex, attraction, procreation etc. there are things that women find desirable in men that i personally don't care about in the slightest when it comes to women, but i don't try to paint women as weirdos or whatever as a result. a lot of people act like their preferences and standards are some sort of moral baseline and have very little understanding f…
/r/PurplePillDebate12/02/26 09:54 PM
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you never heard it? that's hard to believe as it's one of the most common narratives surrounding age gaps. just go to any female centric or dating related subreddit and read the comments in threads about an age gap relationship. plenty of women paint guys who date younger as red flags by default and ask questions like 'why don't women his age want him?' as if that's the only plausible reason why some men prefer younger women. these sort of narratives are common and accepted in mainstream spaces,…
/r/PurplePillDebate12/02/26 09:47 PM
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of course they belong there (well, if it was up to me they'd belong under ground in many cases but we live in a civilized society after all). that's not at all the point of the post you replied though however. it is that most men are not pedos and using that group as a representative of male behavior to try and disprove some sort of concept or theory about men in general is simply idiotic.
/r/PurplePillDebate12/02/26 09:33 PM
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have you considered that a few instances of these types of men you and other women have encountered at a very young age are not representative of the other thousands of men you came across in your life? these arguments are so ridiculous. you take behaviors that are definitely not normal/common (most guys definitely don't hit on underage girls) and apply them universally to all men. neither of your cited theories are true for the vast majority of guys. it's kind of comical to see these type of ge…
/r/PurplePillDebate12/02/26 09:28 PM
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you can have a high sex drive and value sex highly in general without becoming a doormat who jumps through hoops to get it. if anything that type of desperate behavior is unappealing to women - simps aren't exactly known for getting laid and having an abundance of options with women. honestly i have no idea how some guys still didn't get that memo in 2026, i guess it really is a natural beta male dating strategy.
/r/PurplePillDebate06/02/26 04:41 PM
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there are fetishes for a lot of things, but that doesn't mean it's normal or common. besides, a pregnant woman just means you can raw dog it without fear of child support in some dudes' minds. how many men do you know who are specifically looking for pregnant women or single moms to take care of and marry? for me that number is zero. most men don't mind promiscuous women for anything casual, men sleep with men they'd never consider as a serious option all the time.
/r/PurplePillDebate06/02/26 04:26 PM
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that's the only woman i want for a relationship and the same goes for a lot of men i know. that doesn't mean the men are not going to take easy opportunities to get laid. inb4 hypocrite yada yada modern liberal non-sense, failing to understand that men aren't women and we are not the same because it doesn't align with their world view.
/r/PurplePillDebate06/02/26 04:23 PM
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women, at least in general, don't sleep with men they don't respect. that's just liberal feminist non-sense trying to be 'just like the guys'.
/r/PurplePillDebate06/02/26 04:20 PM
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little/no effort, not introducing her to friends/not meeting hers, avoiding serious conversations about the future etc., keeping things vague
/r/PurplePillDebate06/02/26 10:43 AM
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if the woman is remotely attractive, so will be the guy in the vast majority of these cases (probably more so than her). sure, if she's not, she might put up with shit from less attractive men but most women don't put up with the behavior you described for a guy they deem beneath themselves. it doesn't have to always be physical attractiveness, in fact i literally mentioned some other factors. most women aren't stupid enough to put up with a bunch of BS from guys they could easily replace. and m…
/r/PurplePillDebate05/02/26 06:55 AM
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yeah i said average 30 something, not pretty 30 something. i never mentioned that there are no attractive women on OLD either but most are average. average women also tend to have at least some red flags (imo). women batting out of their league on OLD is not an incel theory, it's reality. i've experienced it myself as have my friends. i've also seen women in my personal circles date this way. sure, it's not all women but among those who complain about men being non-committal it sure is a lot of …
/r/PurplePillDebate05/02/26 06:45 AM
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for some guys this stops mattering after they've been with enough women. they don't need their ego validated by them spreading their legs, they experienced it plenty of times and know they can get it again at any time they choose to put in the effort for it. fwiw i'm not into p4p but i have friends who are/were and they weren't losers who couldn't attract women otherwise (mostly quite the contrary). they gave zero shits about any of that stuff. besides, if you're an attractive dude, a pro will a…
/r/PurplePillDebate05/02/26 06:21 AM
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i thought someone's sexual history is none of other people's business. at least that's what most women say when it comes to the body count question. the guys i know who have been with pros certainly don't tell their gfs and wives about it. it is what it is. interestingly, the guy i know to be the biggest whoremonger never had problems getting with regular women (quite the contrary actually). at that point female sexual validation is whatever, if you know you can get it if you want and have dozen…
/r/PurplePillDebate05/02/26 06:10 AM
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this type of content = rage bait manosphere = dangerous influence is that how it works? what about the women in the comments agreeing, calling it a 'healthy relationship'?
/r/PurplePillDebate04/02/26 05:05 PM
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there's so much of this garbage content on social media, yet it's never pointed out in the mainstream. the manosphere in comparison however is frequently talked about of course, how it impacts young men etc. but when you point out these female influencers and their messaging it's just 'online stuff' and 'not real women'. kinda interesting, isn't it? like some of these creators don't have hundreds of thousands or sometimes millions of followers.
/r/PurplePillDebate04/02/26 05:04 PM
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he might lie and what other people do and how they operate is not something we can influence. you can only control what you do and a rational person would make sure that their actions and decisions are aligned with their goals. batting out of your league on OLD when you're looking for a relationship isn't. doesn't stop a lot of women from trying, partly because they have an inflated self-perception to begin with but you'd think that facing the same issue over and over when they're the common den…
/r/PurplePillDebate04/02/26 04:30 PM
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you said it yourself, she's pretty. the point is that highly desirable men don't go for average women on OLD when it comes to relationships - they go for somebody who's on their level. the only high caliber men an average woman will match with are dudes who just want to get laid. i don't know what's so difficult to understand about the whole thing. a guy with plenty of options is not going on tinder to get a relationship with a 5/10. i specifically said average woman and men with a lot of option…
/r/PurplePillDebate04/02/26 04:28 PM
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just think about it for a few seconds: why do women put up with the behavior you described? the short answer is because the man in question is highly desirable by certain metrics, mostly looks. the fact that many women put up with it actually shows that their standards when it comes to superficial things are quite high. they could have a regular dude who treats them well but they choose not to. they put up with it because it's what's required for them to get a hot/rich/charming/whatever guy.
/r/PurplePillDebate04/02/26 04:19 PM
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them having ridiculous standards like expecting men to pay for their presence for example.
/r/PurplePillDebate04/02/26 04:13 PM
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there's a big gap between virgin and hoe, i'm not sure why you go to the other extreme to make your point but it doesn't make sense. who random people marry is none of my concern, a lot of these guys will find out sooner or later for themselves. the stats don't lie, it's objectively a bad decision on average. so i think most guys are in fact clueless, either about their woman's past or about the reality of the situation and the guys who marry famous hoes like pornstars etc. definitely have some …
/r/PurplePillDebate04/02/26 04:04 PM
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women who are virgins on their wedding night have the lowest divorce rates but it has zero impact?
/r/PurplePillDebate04/02/26 03:58 PM
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i know you want to believe that but men who are successful with women have the most options and they will often not marry a woman who's been passed around like a blunt. experience with women teaches you that those women are not good long-term prospects on average and the data supports that. when you bang some dude's party girl gf, you're not going to seek out women like her for anything serious. humans are wired for pattern recognition and the more you deal with promiscuous women, the more clear…
/r/PurplePillDebate04/02/26 03:53 PM
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plenty of men do care though, i would say most in fact. maybe not in some hyperliberal circles where the men drink soy lattes but in general that's been my experience. some operate in the don't ask don't tell ignorance is bliss mindset because they know they would care if they didn't like the reality of their partner's past (there was a thread about it in one of the men's subs with this being a very common mindset btw). personally i don't know a single guy who doesn't avoid women with a reputati…
/r/PurplePillDebate04/02/26 03:46 PM
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first of all, plenty of women don't have male role models in their life who teach them these things nowadays. they're also increasingly online and have other influences around them even if there's a dad in the house (who actually knows what he's talking about). secondly, the amount of women who have casual sex for validation is far from zero (according to women's own admission). for it to be validating women have to be somewhat clueless about how men operate and value casual encounters to begin …
/r/PurplePillDebate04/02/26 03:26 PM
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women will always compete with younger women for desirable men, whether they like it or not.
/r/PurplePillDebate04/02/26 03:14 PM
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it's honestly pointless to argue with you, your only response is asking the same question over and over again. it's not even a good question because the point is that guys don't want worse treatment in this regard with more commitment, effort and so on. it's honestly ironic how many members of the 'emotionally intelligent' gender can't relate to men's perspectives at all. the level of solipsism is something men could never get away with in dating - we have to actually understand women and what t…
/r/PurplePillDebate04/02/26 03:04 PM
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some men want to be that guy, some don't. those who don't tend to not want a woman who engaged in those activities liberally, especially not if that same woman then makes them wait.
/r/PurplePillDebate04/02/26 02:55 PM
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more than half of my friends are in relationships and marriages despite having options with women too. the point is that they were never looking for some average chick on tinder to get there. they're not all dating younger women but they definitely choose attractive and pleasant partners who don't exhibit a dozen red flags. women who add to their lives and aren't entitled or delusional. when it comes to my friends specifically, it's also women who haven't been hooking up with a bunch of random d…
/r/PurplePillDebate04/02/26 02:42 PM
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he met her to get laid. men tend to enjoy sexual variety and even very attractive men don't have very attractive women lined up 24/7 willing to sleep with them casually. the supply to demand ratio in casual dating is skewed. when it comes to monogamous relationships however, the ratio looks very different. men do date down socio-economically, but the women have to be attractive, pleasant and generally desirable in other ways. average women trying to bat out of their league are relegated to short…
/r/PurplePillDebate04/02/26 02:38 PM
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because she's average and he isn't. he can do better. it's not really about where they meet necessarily but the apps are how women tend to get easy access to men above their pay grade. i personally don't know many successful and attractive guys who look for a wife online to begin with but if they are they certainly won't date down.
/r/PurplePillDebate04/02/26 02:20 PM
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men with a lot of options can still value a woman and be loyal to her etc., it just won't be some average 30 something he met on a dating app.
/r/PurplePillDebate04/02/26 01:06 PM
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i don't think there's an actual study on it, it's more my own perception. two decades ago or so it was unheard of in my circles for women to have had multiple sexual partners but zero relationships, especially in their 30s. nowadays you read it a lot on various social media platforms, including this one, and even some in some articles on news sites. just google 'never had a boyfriend article' and you will find several. brave AI answer: Yes, women (and people in general) who have never been in a …
/r/PurplePillDebate03/02/26 04:01 PM
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most women are not scarlett johansson. and if we're talking celebrities, celebrity men are probably the demographic with the highest average age gap relationships/marriages out there. from what i've seen, most women don't like that reality.
/r/PurplePillDebate03/02/26 03:42 PM
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you keep making these threads but you're not going to change the fact that most men don't wanna be the guy who puts in extra effort for a woman who went home with men she only knew for a couple hours. which is what all these threads really have boiled down to, at least to some extent. it's not a good deal from our perspective, it's taking an L compared to the other guys, like you're being treated as less than - at least that's how a lot of men view it. it's also a way of selling 'purity' to men,…
/r/PurplePillDebate03/02/26 03:33 PM
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yes and i do the same when i'm in a relationship and so do plenty of other men. some people act on impulse and temptation and others don't, it's not a gendered thing. sure, men cheat at higher rates but even that has flipped for gen z and the difference is not like night and day overall. the data is based mostly on self-reported data afaik so it's not like it's exact science to begin with either.
/r/PurplePillDebate03/02/26 03:05 PM
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a lot of men will look at a woman differently if they experienced being with her during those prime years (instead of her riding the CC). men will also look at a woman differently who hasn't slept around indiscriminately even if they met later in life. plenty of men at least, based on my personal experience. yes, women become less attractive as they get older. how men perceive it is highly dependent on the context though - wife goggles are a real thing. so no, you probably can't prevent it entir…
/r/PurplePillDebate03/02/26 02:53 PM
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practically nobody is arguing that women shouldn't marry a winner. it's perfectly reasonable to get the best you can so to speak. however most women only have access to winners casually to begin with. they don't actually qualify for marriage with those men. what people do argue against is wasting your prime dating years on casual encounters with men who don't even respect you and would never commit just to accumulate baggage, inflate your self-perception based on those encounters, fry your dopam…
/r/PurplePillDebate03/02/26 02:38 PM
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it's not limiting accountability, it's the literal definition of it. 'the fact of being responsible for your decisions or actions and expected to explain them when you are asked' - oxford dictionary. your argument is centered around redefining a well established term, there's no logic to it on a very base level.
/r/PurplePillDebate03/02/26 02:29 PM
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how do you explain so many women complaining about peter pans, non-committal men, situationships, being led on and used for sex, men lying about their intentions or however else you wanna put it? it's clearly happening and there's a record number of women with a notch count in the double digits who have never been in a relationship - in many cases not because they never wanted one but because the men they slept with never wanted one with them. women complain about these aspects of online dating …
/r/PurplePillDebate03/02/26 02:18 PM
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again, you can't be accountable for how you feel, only for how you act. and once more, women find themselves in the same situation. when men call out women for a lack of accountability it is about their actions, decisions and choices, not about their thoughts.
/r/PurplePillDebate03/02/26 02:08 PM
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nowadays there are more hoes than wealthy and attractive suckers willing to wife them. of course there will always be someone but will he remotely measure up to the guys who only wanted access to that woman's body? most likely not. ultimately it works out for some but it doesn't for a lot of others. some guys just have some sort of cuckold/humiliation fetish or are clueless when it comes to women despite being high status and what not.
/r/PurplePillDebate03/02/26 02:03 PM
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some men make bad decisions (imo) but it doesn't work out like that for every woman who chooses your path. not just because that lifestyle makes women less desirable for long-term relationships and marriage, also because it's simply not conducive to developing traits and getting experience that is relevant for building healthy relationships in the first place. i mean, does he even know? or is he living in the ignorance is bliss zone like so many guys? i genuinely don't know a single guy who wish…
/r/PurplePillDebate03/02/26 01:57 PM
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people become less attractive as they age (including most men) but that's only part of the equation in long-term relationships. monogamous relationships require compromise on both sides' natural mating strategies, that's just how it is. men get cheated on and left for other men (or the potential to get with other men) too but that doesn't mean that people can't be loyal to each other because they choose to and value aspects other than physical attractiveness, variety, higher status/wealth etc. (…
/r/PurplePillDebate03/02/26 01:53 PM
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sexual interest is not the same thing as relationship interest and undesirable options are irrelevant to begin with. there are plenty of women who complain about these issues which is a big reason why the male:female ratio on the apps has become increasingly skewed.
/r/PurplePillDebate03/02/26 01:43 PM
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as if women in marriages never find themselves being attracted to or lusting after other men. it's of course a uniquely male thing, right? you can't help who you find attractive so how exactly does accountability look like in those cases? you can control your own actions and that's pretty much it.
/r/PurplePillDebate03/02/26 01:37 PM
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that's not most women's experience though. you can find anecdotes for anything with 8 billion people in the world but statistically this doesn't happen very often. relationships and marriage always involve risks and plenty of men get cheated on or dumped/divorced too. wife goggles are definitely a thing for a lot of guys.
/r/PurplePillDebate03/02/26 01:36 PM
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there's a huge difference between a guy being single and preferring to date younger women and being in a relationship with someone for years/decades, building a life together, having history/shared memories and so on while inevitably aging alongside each other. most men won't replace their wives for a younger woman, including those who date younger when they are single. completely different situations and circumstances. either way, my advice would be to take dating more seriously in your 20s rat…
/r/PurplePillDebate03/02/26 01:29 PM
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according to lots of women, women of all ages do face issues on dating apps.
/r/PurplePillDebate03/02/26 01:21 PM
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can't say for sure, maybe they got complacent, were too agreeable and people pleasing, maybe they stopped putting in the effort or exhibited some red flags (or gave the woman 'the ick' in some other way). it can be a number of things.
/r/PurplePillDebate03/02/26 10:34 AM
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4b is a tiny fringe minority in south korea that is way overblown in western discourse. south korea did not 'go 4b' and thailand definitely hasn't.
/r/PurplePillDebate03/02/26 09:48 AM
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source: i made it the fuck up i guess? of course looks matter a lot, but so do a bunch of other factors - some of which you mentioned. i've batted out of my league looks wise (imo) since high school and this doesn't line up with my personal experience at all. i've also known more than a handful of guys who dated down (again, imo) and still weren't treated very well in their relationships or very good looking dudes who got cheated on or left for another guy. looks are important but they're not th…
/r/PurplePillDebate02/02/26 05:09 AM
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it's almost like those guys aren't hooking up with hot women (or any women at all), aka they're not the demographic i was talking about.
/r/PurplePillDebate01/02/26 12:13 PM
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women try to control male behavior through shaming all the time. they call guys who pursue age gaps, care about body count or date foreign women all kinds of names, attack their character etc. even in much more mainstream spaces than this one. but if a guy says that some women are for the streets or that dating a single mom is a sucker's deal for most men, suddenly it becomes problematic. i personally don't have an issue with differing opinions as long as people are consistent with it - but most…
/r/PurplePillDebate01/02/26 12:07 PM
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do you consider it lying when people break their wedding vows? if not, why?
/r/PurplePillDebate01/02/26 11:39 AM
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who's saying he can't lie? it's not against the law, he doesn't have to explain anything to anyone. what if he was looking for a relationship with the right person but 99% of women just don't meet his standards and he dumps them sometime after sex? because this happens a lot too. maybe he just got bored with the woman after a couple hookups, i mean it's fine to leave if you get bored right? and what about women breaking their wedding vows - isn't that lying too?
/r/PurplePillDebate01/02/26 11:36 AM
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it's not a threat and i know it's already happening. doesn't mean that women aren't upset about it while also cheering on some woman for getting a divorce however. i also think that this type of behavior is only going to increase at this point. 'things are how they are now because of how men have been' is very reductive, do you genuinely think that everything is men's fault and women are not to blame for any part of it? sounds like female in-group bias at best.
/r/PurplePillDebate01/02/26 11:22 AM
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sure, just don't be surprised when men treat women as disposable, don't commit, refuse to get married, dump women who don't meet their physical needs, replace them with younger women etc. as it is, there are quite a few women who complain about those issues and quite a few people who try to shame men for those behaviors and have sympathy for the women in those predicaments. i don't care either way but you can't have it both ways.
/r/PurplePillDebate31/01/26 11:40 PM
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the vast majority of women can sleep with guys who are more attractive, successful etc. than they can attract for relationships - so the guy who commits usually is in fact less desirable (even though that's the guy who's on their level). in most cases it's not like women never plan to see the guys they hook up with again, usually the men don't want anything but access to their body to begin with. a lot of women are not entirely aware of the underlying dynamics and even if they are they often thi…
/r/PurplePillDebate31/01/26 07:40 AM
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the nerds, ugly guys and socially awkward dudes barely, if ever, got laid in the 2000s. if you were ugly, you had to be funny, sociable and popular to have access to women at all (aka not the avg ugly guy). i'm millennial and knew plenty of guys who were virgins into their 20s, married the first woman who touched them and/or never had casual sex in their entire life. and fwiw, i'm not from some rural village in arkansas, i grew up in a major, fairly progressive city.
/r/PurplePillDebate31/01/26 07:27 AM
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men who hook up with hot women generally don't complain about dating and those women not committing. see the difference?
/r/PurplePillDebate29/01/26 06:54 PM
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i know a bunch of women like this and honestly, it's mostly average women who are trying to match with guys out of their league but then act shocked when those guys just want to bang. women who are more realistic and not a pain in the ass to deal with tend to just meet men organically or are off the apps very quickly if they use them. the delulu crowd is running into the same predictable issue over and over again and stays on the apps long-term, thus skewing the dating pool on there in that dire…
/r/PurplePillDebate28/01/26 08:45 AM
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may i ask, how did the female body fat percentage develop over the same time period? or the rate of single motherhood, number of premarital sexual partners, the average age of the female dating pool, their homemaking skills, political leanings, general attitude towards men, the desire to be mothers, their expectations and perhaps more abstract, their femininity? we are told that women have leveled up and guys are falling behind in this context all the time but the people that voice those opinion…
/r/PurplePillDebate28/01/26 08:27 AM
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which civilian are you speaking off? the one who almost ran an officer over with her car or the one who carried a gun while deliberately getting into a confrontation with law enforcement? whether those actions were legal and whether or not there will be consequences still remains to be seen, i think the situation with the latest shooting is not entirely clear yet and it's very possible the officers fucked up. the footage should be reviewed by legal experts and appropriate action should be taken …
/r/PurplePillDebate27/01/26 06:18 PM
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fascism is when we lose an election
/r/PurplePillDebate27/01/26 05:58 PM
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women with realistic standards rarely complain about dating (at least they do so a lot less often) and they don't tend to be single for long unless they want to be. at least in my experience, these women are mostly in relationships or married and as a result, the dating market tends to be skewed towards women who are... let's just say not that type of woman. now i don't care whether these women stay single and live in lala land when it comes to their expectations and self-assessment in a dating …
/r/PurplePillDebate23/01/26 05:24 AM
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what do you think will happen? ime there are no real consequences when it comes to approaching women of any age in most settings (in which people actually pursue the opposite sex) outside of potential rejection. at the very least it's not very likely but i'd really want to know what kind of trouble you can end up in according to your opinion assuming you're not doing anything illegal.
/r/PurplePillDebate23/01/26 05:08 AM
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some aspects have gotten easier, others became more difficult. overall it has gotten easier for some people and harder for others, but in general the number of singles is at a record high so i don't think you can make the argument that it has gotten easier on average with any evidence that is objective and based on actual data. at least i'm not aware of anything that would point in that direction. the divide between men and women culturally and politically has widened in virtually every western …
/r/PurplePillDebate23/01/26 04:56 AM
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making good money won't un-lame you when it comes to women but it certainly helps if you work on the rest of the package that women are looking for as well. i do think a lot of guys are kidding themselves though, when they think that the college girls who rejected them in the past will line up to date them because they have a stable job in their 30s and rent their own apartment. virtually all the men i know who are dating young and attractive women have been successful in dating since high schoo…
/r/PurplePillDebate14/01/26 02:55 PM
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all the shaming language towards men in the dating context boils down to mostly one driving factor: women don't want to lose leverage. whether it's men dating younger, having certain standards and expectations, marrying foreign women or whatever else, it generally comes down to this - women want to keep the 'price' of female companionship as high as possible. of course there might be other factors that influence this behavior but the way these things are attacked in an overly generalizing way is…
/r/PurplePillDebate13/01/26 07:44 PM
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not sure you're allowed to link to other subs here but it's comments like this: 'They are parasites harvesting on us. They are a threat.' men are literally sperm incubators. we all have to put up with them existing for what? a sack?' 'There’s nothing wrong with not trusting men. They’re all evil (in my opinion…I guess…). ' 'Most men have no problem lying to, deceiving, manipulating, cheating, abusing, raping, and killing women for their own benefit.' i'm sure you can find them with the search fu…
/r/PurplePillDebate30/12/25 02:57 AM
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women are overrepresented in universities at least in part due to inherently discriminatory DEI policies. women are favored in custody courts and a 2019 study of trinidad society published in the Justice Policy Journal concluded that 'gynocentrism pervades all aspects of the criminal justice system.' there are also more resources, shelters, and professional networking organizations dedicated to women compared to men. feminist campaign for more women in leadership positions, trying to get women f…
/r/PurplePillDebate30/12/25 01:59 AM
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mediocre women still have short-term access to above average men in today's dating environment which can result in those women not viewing themselves as mediocre to begin with. (self) perception matters more than reality in a lot of ways, certainly when it comes to dealing with humans. fwiw i don't consider myself red pilled as i didn't form my opinions by watching online content made by grifting losers who make up a very sizeable amount of the manosphere - but of course having any opinions that…
/r/PurplePillDebate30/12/25 01:31 AM
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do you have any data that supports the notion that white men struggle at disproportionate rates with women? last time i checked white men were the most desired group of men on dating platforms. and which systemic advantages do white gen-z men have because of their skin color? i mean, they're not the ones who got preferential treatment under DEI policies over the last decade. also, how exactly do any of these supposed systemic advantages (if you can actually name a few) relate to getting pussy?
/r/PurplePillDebate30/12/25 01:23 AM
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women complain about not finding men they want all the time in virtually every single female or dating related space. i don't think it's any less common than men complaining about dating honestly. these women even say themselves that all the likes and matches they get on bumble or whatever don't mean anything because most of those guys aren't men they're interested in or just men who want to get laid - which is why the gender ratios have become increasingly skewed on every single OLD platform to…
/r/PurplePillDebate30/12/25 01:08 AM
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y'all? please show me a single instance of me shaming a woman who slept with her boyfriend. i'll wait. i know these women exist because they are the types of women i have dated since i was a teenager. i don't think i've ever seen men who aren't religious fundamentalists shaming women who have sex in committed relationships.
/r/PurplePillDebate30/12/25 12:53 AM
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i read askmen and askwomen subreddits occasionally and i watch/read mainstream media sometimes. reddit specifically considers women a protected identity group and shuts down subreddits or bans users for a lot of rhetoric that is completely normalized on r/women, twox, askwomen subs etc. with the genders reversed. you can pretend that i'm seeing what i want to see but maybe it's you who does.
/r/PurplePillDebate30/12/25 12:49 AM
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which demographic has the highest crime rates and the highest rate of single mother homes? how does that line up with 'young people to take responsibility for their own actions' exactly? replace being angry at a gender with being angry at white or upper class people and i see a lot of similarities.
/r/PurplePillDebate30/12/25 12:39 AM
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privilege is invisible to those who have it. women frequently mention this when talking about male privilege but ironically remain completely oblivious to their own (and men do this vice-versa).
/r/PurplePillDebate30/12/25 12:38 AM
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most women are mediocre too, it's just that they have the upper hand in dating due to how we are wired as a species. if it wasn't for sex and procreation, i think a lot of guys wouldn't even deal with women at all in a dating context. i certainly wouldn't. but ultimately, when most people are looking for monogamous long-term relationships (at least eventually), it doesn't really work out to tell one side to do whatever they want in the name of female empowerment and 'showing the patriarchy' whil…
/r/PurplePillDebate30/12/25 12:35 AM
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i generally agree but there's some nuance to it. like, how many adult women out there complain about the patriarchy and how unfair x y and z is to women 24/7? what reaction would you expect if those women were simply told 'tough luck, life's not fair'?
/r/PurplePillDebate30/12/25 12:19 AM
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poor socialization due to growing up on smartphones, video games and porn + a couple years of lockdowns coupled with low testosterone levels and high rates of single mother homes/lack of male role models as well as a feminized education system - not to mention that most men have always been what is stereotypically referred to as beta to begin with. the societal messaging of 'happy wife, happy life' etc., modern feminist narratives, the normalization of degenerate behavior and so on isn't helping…
/r/PurplePillDebate30/12/25 12:15 AM
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i think men should stop pedestalizing female attention and being chosen above all else if anything but i understand that it's difficult for guys who never had it to begin with. which is not all guys who do this fwiw. that being said, i don't think asking for pity or even sympathy is very productive. however that is not gendered - or why should men care about women's dating woes? sure, their problems are different but why should men have sympathy for women in this regard? shouldn't women take the…
/r/PurplePillDebate29/12/25 07:36 AM
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the most common demographic doing this to another one i see here on reddit (and to a lesser extent, online in general) are women talking about men. not in some fringe subreddits or spaces but rather very mainstream ones. yet all the mainstream media articles about this sort of subject tend focus on the risks and harm of misogyny and rarely (if ever) mention misandry at all. interesting, isn't it?
/r/PurplePillDebate29/12/25 07:30 AM
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this whole cold approaching thing was never all that common. before the apps people mostly met through friends, family or work. the idea that guys would randomly walk up to the women in the past all the time does not line up with reality. of course there are even less incentives now except for the fact that barely anyone seems to be doing it so you can certainly stand out as some women definitely seem to romanticize this idea.
/r/PurplePillDebate29/12/25 07:22 AM
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as i said, the risk to reward ratio is fundamental to judging whether decisions we make are rational. that ratio is not the same for men and women hence it makes complete sense to look at them differently. as for unwanted paternity, this depends on the laws of course but men have the option to get snipped and the risk is incredibly low if you use protection and the pull out method on top of it.
/r/PurplePillDebate29/12/25 07:11 AM
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hookups are more risky for women and they regret them at a much higher frequency - those are literal facts, not my opinion. the logical conclusion would be for women to not engage in them. men making that decision for these women will never happen and if one guy doesn't sleep with her 1500 others will. you can't expect an entire demographic to act against their own self-interest and in somebody else's. that's not how humans function. you also can't sanction something legally if two consenting ad…
/r/PurplePillDebate29/12/25 07:07 AM
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if you go for very specific anecdotes, sure. on a macro level these outliers don't hold up at all though. even in that example there is still more inherent risk because protection can fail. there are anecdotes for just about anything or anyone and if an entire argument relies on outliers then it doesn't really hold much ground at all. when you talk about men and women as groups, you should go by statistics that show general tendencies not by anecdotes.
/r/PurplePillDebate29/12/25 07:04 AM
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first, let me ask: do most women check all of men's boxes? beacause the answer is no, they don't. they are more overweight than ever, more likely to be single moms than ever, the dating pool is older than ever, women are more masculine today, have higher expectations, worse homemaking skills, prioritize family less, promiscuity is more normalized and female infidelity is way up compared to the past. now 'ever' is not to be taken literally, but it's a clear general trend overall. yet women are to…
/r/PurplePillDebate29/12/25 06:27 AM
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not sure i really agree with your particular conclusion but it's certainly true that virtually nobody is the villain (or loser or whatever other negative description) in their own story. some guys reframe not having standards and boundaries as being secure so they have some sort of high ground in their mind. the reality is that most of them have to take what they can get and put up with it if they want access to women at all. then they justify and reframe it retroactively. like this notion onlin…
/r/PurplePillDebate25/12/25 02:40 AM
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can you call it hypocrisy or a double standard if you compare apples to oranges? men and women are not the same, especially when it comes to sex and everything that surrounds it. that's not to say that having casual sex is great for men but it's objectively more rational. men have higher libidos on average, they take on less risk engaging in it and it's more satisfying to them in general. the risk to reward ratio is a fundamental metric when evaluating and making decisions in a rational manner. …
/r/PurplePillDebate25/12/25 02:12 AM
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that's a false equivalency. you need to eat and sleep to survive, there's no other alternative. your health directly correlates to sleeping and eating well, but if your goal is to get laid, there are different ways to accomplish that goal. i'm sure most people don't look at it the way i described but i know somebody personally who does and i can understand his perspective. regardless how you look at it though, the point is that time is money and dating is not free in that sense. as for the secon…
/r/PurplePillDebate25/12/25 01:31 AM
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i don't think it's worse from a moral standpoint or anything personally but it correlates with a lot of negative things. healthy women very rarely choose to become prostitutes. people also generally don't look at sex the same way as they do at getting a haircut or some other service. it's a lot more intimate, both physically and emotionally and the fact that people are mostly monogamous and don't have sex indiscriminately with random people clearly shows this. and while a lot of women don't nece…
/r/PurplePillDebate25/12/25 01:19 AM
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not really, because virgin women around here usually want marriage and it's rare for attractive women in their 20s to not have been with anyone at all in general. i don't want to be in a relationship with someone who has a history of casual sex, situationships etc. either though. we refer to that as 'experienced' in the western world but that kind of experience is not very useful for or conducive to actual relationships. a woman who has prioritized relationships and has shown that she is capable…
/r/PurplePillDebate25/12/25 12:57 AM
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none of this approach works on men who are not in scarcity when it comes to women. women can already have a guy who's gonna wait as long as they want him to (figuratively) but those men aren't the men women are interested in to begin with - and women will never collectively jump on the bandwagon, just like men will never stop simping and thirsting, paying for OF and other loser type activities collectively. even if women would, most of them wouldn't land a highly desirable man anyway - most of t…
/r/PurplePillDebate24/12/25 06:37 PM
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there are 8 billion people in the world, of course those men exist. there's anecdotal evidence for just about any type of person with such a massive sample size. the question is what the ratio of those men to liberal women actually is and i highly doubt it's very favorable.
/r/PurplePillDebate23/12/25 10:54 AM
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these type of people will never get it as pragmatism is a foreign concept to them. they'd rather double down and say that they don't want the vote and cooperation of anyone who would be pushed to the right anyway. i've seen it many times before. they're ideologues.
/r/PurplePillDebate23/12/25 10:50 AM
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maybe they are centrist or apolitical and don't define their whole personality and world view by either party in a two party system? why wouldn't they put 'liberal' or 'left wing' if their goal is to deceive women to get into their pants? i know plenty of guys and women who are not very into politics, especially younger people.
/r/PurplePillDebate23/12/25 10:43 AM
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do you honestly think that all right wing men actually believe that? i mean, i'm not from america but the people i know who vote right wing here in europe do so primarily because of the influx of mass migration and the negative effects it has on society and especially women. these men are concerned about the safety of their female family members, not about them voting or anything like that. i don't understand the cognitive dissonance of left wing women here because they are feminist and anti pat…
/r/PurplePillDebate23/12/25 10:39 AM
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getting paid for sex - in most cases with men these women would have no intention to sleep with otherwise. hundreds, if not thousands of men depending on how long a woman engages in that line of work. to pretend that a prostitute is judged simply because she's having sex is ridiculous. there's a reason why the vast majority of women have a sex life but only a tiny minority engages in prostitution. they're not the same thing.
/r/PurplePillDebate22/12/25 02:49 PM
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that's besides the point. the point is that time is money so going on a date is not 'free' from that perspective. sure, it applies to both people but the comment i replied to was making the assertion that men go on dates to get laid instead of hiring a pro because it's free. it's not.
/r/PurplePillDebate22/12/25 02:45 PM
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it's not about the financial cost of the date but the value of your time. if i make 150$ an hour, talking to a woman to set up a date and going on the actual date is more expensive than hiring a prostitute. now of course there are many differences between a paid encounter and an actual date but the person i replied to pointed to the fact that men wanting it for free is the reason they go on dates rather than hiring a professional.
/r/PurplePillDebate22/12/25 02:44 PM
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simply treating a woman well who is treating you well in return is not simping and most people don't think that it is. being a simp is about pedestalizing women, putting your own needs last, being a people pleasing doormat, having no standards for how you're treated and who you're with, white knighting for women at every given opportunity, worshipping female validation above all else, treating women in general like they're special (to an extreme degree), betraying your principles, friends etc. t…
/r/PurplePillDebate21/12/25 11:47 AM
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correlation is not the same thing as causation but in practice it doesn't really matter. a woman with a 'colorful' past will be a worse long-term prospect on average, at least until there is data that isolates and explains the causal effects in detail. just because religious women divorce and cheat less doesn't mean that it's the only reason to lead to this disparity. there are other links to promiscuity, such as mental health issues (higher rates among promiscuous women) or impulsivity (another…
/r/PurplePillDebate21/12/25 11:33 AM
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i wouldn't be surprised if it's a guy who is larping to rage bait and make women look worse tbh.
/r/PurplePillDebate21/12/25 11:15 AM
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if you think a random man is more dangerous than a random bear you deserve ridicule for being an incredibly irrational person guided by emotions.
/r/PurplePillDebate21/12/25 11:11 AM
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it gets mentioned when they want to shit on the patriarchy and cry about discrimination.
/r/PurplePillDebate21/12/25 11:07 AM
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it is stupid because women overwhelmingly gave stupid answers to the question, at least from what you can see online. i'm sure there's lots of cherry picking going on with content like that but it's still baffling to me when i see some of the extremely irrational responses.
/r/PurplePillDebate21/12/25 11:05 AM
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they don't feel safe around random men but it's immature when men don't approach random women as a result?
/r/PurplePillDebate21/12/25 11:04 AM
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going on a date isn't free. if your time is valuable it can easily be more expensive than hiring a prostitute.
/r/PurplePillDebate21/12/25 11:02 AM
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how do any of your questions relate to paying for the date? would women agree to meet someone else if they don't enjoy their company? what's the point of going on dates for women? do they see going on dates as something they don't like (and thus want to be compensated for)? fwiw i usually pay for dates unless they're awful or i can already tell that it isn't going anywhere. i've asked women out because i wanted to get laid or because i liked them and could see myself in a relationship with them.…
/r/PurplePillDebate21/12/25 10:52 AM
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therapy - at least a lot of the time - is paying for some other person to validate your emotions, not call you out on your bullshit and touch you with kids gloves instead. have you ever dealt with a woman complaining about something to you and have her get upset when you give her practical advice? it's incredibly common. women tell each other lots of empty platitudes to make each other feel better rather than actually helping. 'it's his loss, you dodged a bullet, you deserve so much more, you wi…
/r/PurplePillDebate21/12/25 10:44 AM
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forgiving someone is not the same thing as being willing to date them. also, how can a man who never dealt with this woman before forgive her for anything to begin with? i mean i would never comment on a video and insult this woman but the thought of dating a woman like her would never enter my mind and i wouldn't think very highly of men who marry such women either.
/r/PurplePillDebate21/12/25 10:26 AM
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what does his appearance have to do with anything? and i'm not really following the guy but can you link an example of him denigrating single moms? does he make personal attacks or does he tell men that it's a bad deal to date them?
/r/PurplePillDebate21/12/25 10:24 AM
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prostitution is not just sex.
/r/PurplePillDebate21/12/25 10:22 AM
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there is a difference sure but neither will be a good long-term prospect on average.
/r/PurplePillDebate21/12/25 10:20 AM
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being a sex worker is not just 'having sex with men or being in the same vicinity as men' lmao
/r/PurplePillDebate21/12/25 10:15 AM
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and that's why so many women on the apps shoot for men out of their league, because in their mind that concept doesn't exist.
/r/PurplePillDebate20/12/25 04:57 PM
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none of this aligns with my personal experience and all you provided is anecdotal evidence so i'm not sure what there is to debate. there are however relationships in general where the power dynamic favors women and they never get called out by the age gap crusade types. it's usually quite transparent when people try to control or influence other people's behavior with shaming language - they do it for their own benefit or because of some ideological position, not out of the kindness of their he…
/r/PurplePillDebate20/12/25 04:39 PM
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there is no your truth, my truth or whoever else's truth. truth is objective.
/r/PurplePillDebate20/12/25 04:34 PM
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something that's generally true is a generalization by definition and exceptions only prove the rule (also by definition). yes, women with fewer sexual partners might be curious about other men but the statistics on infidelity show that they are more loyal on average.
/r/PurplePillDebate19/12/25 10:14 PM
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it doesn't decrease their worth as people but it does decrease their value on the dating market. why would a man with options ever consider a mother of 5? why should he settle? because the world revolves around women and their interests, preferences, wishes and so on? oh it's another windmill rage bait thread. nevermind then.
/r/PurplePillDebate19/12/25 11:27 AM
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what about women who don't sleep around, aren't on SSRIs, aren't obese, aren't single moms, don't have delusional expectations, know how to cook, aren't masculine, aren't liberal ideologues, don't cheat, don't wait till they're 35 to settle down, want to be mothers etc.? all this 'women have levelled up' talk only ever focuses on socio-economic status and men who are dissatisfied with modern women in any way are labelled as insecure misogynists who want somebody they can control. it's a very bia…
/r/PurplePillDebate09/12/25 10:29 PM
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it's irrelevant in this context as straight men are not looking to date other men. if more women would take issue with guys who have a colorful sexual history, i'm certainly not going to call them insecure or whatever shaming non-sense. unfortunately for women, male promiscuity correlates with desirable traits because men (unlike women) actually have to be desirable to partake in that type of lifestyle. there are also biological differences between male and female sexuality so making 1:1 compari…
/r/PurplePillDebate09/12/25 10:10 PM
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very few women are actually single by choice. most of that narrative is just reframing the fact that the men they want don't want them - a very important difference. in general, women don't want to lose leverage in the dating game. they want the 'price' for female companionship and sex to be as high as possible, because it benefits them. whether it's guys dating younger, men looking for partners abroad, men having standards that women don't like, desirable men being actually single by choice or …
/r/PurplePillDebate09/12/25 09:51 PM
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do you tell the same thing to women who want access to abortion?
/r/PurplePillDebate09/12/25 05:56 AM
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not only that, men do it less than women. honestly, only delusional people make 1:1 comparisons between men and women when it comes to mate selection, sexuality, relationships and so on. it's a sign of following a modern, liberal, anti scientific, brain rotted ideology.
/r/PurplePillDebate07/12/25 09:18 PM
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should men have higher standards too to incentivize women to do better? because the same women who loudly proclaim their high standards and lists of expectations sometimes seem to have issues with men having any standards that they don't like (honestly, 'sometimes' being quite generous here). the issue is that it doesn't really work out on a macro level. not every woman can have a handsome, successful, tall, socially competent man who's monogamous and treats them well - far from it actually. do …
/r/PurplePillDebate07/12/25 09:10 PM
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part of it is intrasexual competition and modern day mate suppression - going from things like slut shaming to narratives that fit the modern feminist world view. they mostly city a 'study' as their source that has been retracted since fwiw - it works seemingly well thanks to the reach of social media and the demonization of the patriarchy/men in general coupled with female in-group bias. it's also a coping mechanism. women who struggle to get the men they want to commit to them feel better abou…
/r/PurplePillDebate07/12/25 09:01 PM
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it's fine to be delusional of course. what i don't like is blaming other people for your shortcomings (in this case, men as a collective group) when those delusions don't materialize in the real world. plenty of women do this with non-sense takes about how women 'levelled up' and how there are so many more amazing single women out there compared to male counterparts. not just here or on feminist tiktok pages, it's a common talking point in mainstream spaces at this point. besides, the research o…
/r/PurplePillDebate07/12/25 08:41 PM
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the data supports the notion that promiscuous women make less stable long-term partners and have higher rates of mental health issues. it also lines up with my experience, but of course we can't take that scientific non-sense when it makes a subset of women look bad! it has to be something that's wrong with the men! lmao
/r/PurplePillDebate07/12/25 08:34 PM
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i'm not interested in dating random women i know nothing about except for how they look like. casually is one thing but i'm not really looking for that at this point. i also generally had more success (or success with more attractive women) when they were not complete strangers except when i lived in SEA or maybe LATAM (women were also much more open to be approached there in general and i don't like bothering people either). i don't think cold approaching was ever all that common tbh. nowadays …
/r/PurplePillDebate07/12/25 02:52 AM
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the most sexually successful men do what serves themselves, not women. 'So when women start taking full control, full accountability, full responsibility.' also please let me know when that happens in case it's in our lifetime.
/r/PurplePillDebate05/12/25 08:40 PM
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less in relative terms, more in absolute terms.
/r/PurplePillDebate05/12/25 08:36 PM
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first off, 4B is a tiny fringe movement in south korea that has been blown out of proportion by westerners. also, a 2023 study by Selmer and colleagues found that higher sociosexual behavior—measured by the number of past sexual partners—was positively correlated with extreme misogynistic views (b = 0.113). plenty of misogynistic men are very successful with women and plenty of stereotypical people pleasing nice guys who put women on a pedestal struggle.
/r/PurplePillDebate05/12/25 08:34 PM
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you're a woman. you don't even need to be desirable to get laid, so of course it's not validating.
/r/PurplePillDebate05/12/25 04:17 AM
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that's the point. some women apply whatever narrative fits their world view and own interest at any given time, even if the narrative contradicts itself in another situation. honestly, you shouldn't listen to women's opinions about dating dynamics that put them at a disadvantage at all.
/r/PurplePillDebate05/12/25 04:00 AM
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that's just how it is in reality though. is reality misandrist? the liberal idea of men and women being equal is delusional.
/r/PurplePillDebate04/12/25 04:53 AM
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how imagined is the 'threat of males from the out-group sexually defiling females from the in-group' when middle eastern and african immigrants in europe commit SA and grape at disproportionate rates? i don't think it's about race though, it's culture.
/r/PurplePillDebate04/12/25 04:50 AM
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women shouldn't lower their standards, they should recognize that online dating and casual sex inflate their standards to begin with. they also shouldn't collectively blame men as a coping mechanism when they fail to find men who meet their standards and who want to commit to them.
/r/PurplePillDebate04/12/25 04:28 AM
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most of the time she didn't just want sex with the hot stud.
/r/PurplePillDebate04/12/25 04:27 AM
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i've been the type of guy OP is talking about in a lot of ways. i'm not proud of it and regret some of the things i did when i was younger but speaking from experience, the women i dated were far from being undesirable. yes, they might have had some insecurities etc. (most women do) but they were attractive women (more attractive than me), they were good gfs, they didn't come with a long list of red flags and so on. now i will say that it's far from required to be an actual scumbag to have succe…
/r/PurplePillDebate04/12/25 12:15 AM
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that's kind of like saying 'maybe she's just into it' when a woman stays in an abusive relationship. the amount of people who are genuinely into a dynamic like this is a fraction of the men who are in such marriages (to varying degrees of course).
/r/PurplePillDebate02/12/25 12:36 AM
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it's very clear why his wife acts this way, OP even touched on that. the question is why so many men put up with it. i think it's a combination of reasons but it's definitely a low self-esteem issue first and foremost. add a lack of options with women (which often leads to pedestalizing them), a fear of being alone as well as general societal indoctrination and i think we're looking at around 90% of the equation.
/r/PurplePillDebate02/12/25 12:32 AM
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no sane man looks at cucks as courageous, strong men. literally no one.
/r/PurplePillDebate02/12/25 12:23 AM
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women can operate in some sort of utopia and how things should be if everyone acted correctly or they can operate in reality and acknowledge things for what they are. i can walk through the hood at 2 am with a rolex on and complain about getting robbed because the person who robbed me is a bad actor, but it doesn't make me less of an idiot for doing so.
/r/PurplePillDebate01/12/25 01:53 PM
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it's her business sure, but it's a debate sub after all and plenty of women ask for dating advice online and complain about their dating lives. and when other women chime in, it often boils down to the demonization of men rather than giving women a reality check. it really seems like a lot of women prefer comfortable delusion and emotional support to uncomfortable reality and pragmatic advice.
/r/PurplePillDebate01/12/25 01:50 PM
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i agree that a lot of men believe in this false dichotomy but there's an important factor that's missing when drawing a conclusion from it. the 'really great top tier guys' who are also hot are not looking for average women for something serious, especially not on dating apps. they're not a long-term option for most women in the first place. the most attractive and desirable men virtually any woman has access to are only short-term options by definition as men have significantly lower standards …
/r/PurplePillDebate01/12/25 01:43 PM
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men don't hook up with women out of their league, generally speaking. any examples of that are complete outliers as women are significantly more selective than men in this area of dating. why would a woman hook up with guys who are less attractive than her when she can get with men who are above her in looks? women can do it because men have lower standards (and more interest/desire) for casual sex which creates a highly skewed supply to demand ratio - and doing so often inflates their self-perc…
/r/PurplePillDebate01/12/25 01:08 PM
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it does. and so does casually hooking up with guys out of their league for women (towards men of course).
/r/PurplePillDebate01/12/25 12:53 PM
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where i'm from, a lot of people will think you're a sucker, not 'such a nice guy'. it's certainly not some sort of status symbol.
/r/PurplePillDebate28/11/25 09:37 AM
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still a better situation than akaash's ngl
/r/PurplePillDebate27/11/25 11:55 AM
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women sleep with men they truly desire without expecting financial compensation unless their brains are fried from shera7 type of content. if you want to talk about primal instincts and female nature, research shows that women select for very different traits during ovulation compared to when they get pregnant. it's basic AF/BB.
/r/PurplePillDebate22/11/25 07:23 PM
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'everything that criticizes any woman for whatever reason is misogyny' misogyny is defined as hatred against women in general, not having unfavorable opinions against small subsets of women.
/r/PurplePillDebate22/11/25 07:13 PM
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it's the result of people's own actions, or inactions for that matter - and women working less in lower paying fields is definitely not some sort of discrimination, it's personal choice.
/r/PurplePillDebate22/11/25 07:07 PM
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dating isn't charity, men are not handing out money to random women because they find enjoyment in it. like wtf kind of question is that? why should men spend money on women for no benefit whatsoever? oh, it's a windmill thread. nvm then.
/r/PurplePillDebate22/11/25 06:52 PM
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i guarantee you that there are thousands of men who date significantly younger women and who would make you look like a complete loser in comparison to them. age gaps are a lot more common among highly successful men - to think that some average joe calls them losers is laughable at best.
/r/PurplePillDebate22/11/25 06:47 PM
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not only do these people never mention this form of power imbalance, they double down and say things like 'the past is the past, it doesn't matter'. relationship/dating experience is infinitely more important in relationships than generic life experience (like having worked a 9-5 for a few years) which people yap on about all the time when it comes to age gap relationships - but of course the wonderful women would never leverage it for their benefit /s
/r/PurplePillDebate22/11/25 06:44 PM
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too many people are blissfully unaware that the age of consent in most US states and most european countries is lower than 18 already (16 being most common afaik). so they can already go younger in the vast majority of cases.
/r/PurplePillDebate22/11/25 06:38 PM
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most of the gender pay gap is self-inflicted, i.e. women working less hours in jobs that pay less as well as negotiating salaries or switching companies less often.
/r/PurplePillDebate22/11/25 12:16 AM
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anti common sense movement
/r/PurplePillDebate22/11/25 12:11 AM
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if you dress like a hoe, some people will treat you like one. if you are an online sex worker, people will definitely treat you like one. welcome to reality. just like women get to do and wear what they want, people get to think what they want about it too. there's nothing misogynistic about having negative opinions or attitudes towards a relatively small subset of women.
/r/PurplePillDebate22/11/25 12:10 AM
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nobody should marry a woman like her but men in the west have such low standards that some will give their last name to a walking embarrassment like this. absolutely pathetic.
/r/PurplePillDebate21/11/25 11:55 PM
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he will most likely double down and stay with her and there were probably dozens of signs before any of this got public. she's awful no doubt but some people bring it on themself.
/r/PurplePillDebate21/11/25 11:50 PM
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low self-esteem, especially when it comes to women. the guy didn't date or get laid before he met her it seems and he's a stereotypical people pleasing beta.
/r/PurplePillDebate21/11/25 11:44 PM
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1) young women don't make a lot of money. those who do are the exception. 2) as you said, older men can still be attractive, contrary to OPs generalization.
/r/PurplePillDebate17/11/25 08:56 AM
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what's your source? brave AI's gives this summary of various sources, indicating that promiscuity for men has declined while having increased for women. so your statement is not necessarily wrong because it is not gendered but this thread is about women after all. 'Recent data indicates that overall sexual promiscuity in the United States has declined, particularly among men, while trends for women show a different pattern. The median number of lifetime sexual partners has remained relatively st…
/r/PurplePillDebate17/11/25 08:52 AM
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i don't think i'm super attractive and i managed to attract women without orbiting around them throughout my life. yes, sometimes it wasn't something that happened immediately but the advice on flirting and escalating is just horrible honestly - you'll look like a thirsty simp and a creep if she's not into you, not the guy she wants to hook up with when horny. that's not how you 'win over' women. yes, playful banter, being witty, having a flirty undertone and generally being interesting to talk …
/r/PurplePillDebate17/11/25 12:15 AM
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promiscuity is a symptom of those exact traits, as well as other things like various mental health issues. i've never met a woman who slept around but wasn't impulsive. promiscuous behavior is impulsive in itself in the majority of cases.
/r/PurplePillDebate16/11/25 11:59 PM
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whether it's a correlation or a causal effect doesn't matter for practical purposes. promiscuous women make worse long-term prospects either way. you said 'Women that have more experience won't cheat more' which is simply not true. it might not be the 'experience' that causes it (which is a ridiculous framing anyway - calling women who got railed by strangers experienced and women who were with 1-3 long-term partners for years inexperienced) but they are still less loyal.
/r/PurplePillDebate16/11/25 11:57 PM
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is it really a choice when most of the men she slept with before didn't even want her? and now the guy at the end of the line is supposed to feel like he won? it doesn't work that way for men.
/r/PurplePillDebate16/11/25 11:54 PM
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some women don't make good long-term partners and promiscuity is one indicator of that. there's nothing 'sick' about it, reality just isn't a PC safe space. i've been friends with promiscuous women, went to school and college with them, hooked up with a few and my personal experience 100% aligns with the statistics that show a correlation between promiscuity and infidelity or low relationship satisfaction. normal healthy women are generally not looking to get railed by a bunch of random guys, 9 …
/r/PurplePillDebate16/11/25 11:50 PM
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i mean, it's true. https://home.watson.brown.edu/news/2016-10-26/new-study-finds-sexual-behaviors-align-political-values it also aligns with my personal experiences.
/r/PurplePillDebate16/11/25 10:40 AM
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people in relationships have the most sex statistically and people are in less relationships now than pretty much ever, so this data point doesn't prove anything when it comes to casual sex really. these things (more casual sex and less sex in general) are not mutually exclusive.
/r/PurplePillDebate16/11/25 10:35 AM
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and you call other people in this thread bitter? i mean, i doubt what you're saying is true to begin with but that's a serious lack of self-awareness on display here.
/r/PurplePillDebate16/11/25 10:21 AM
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why do you think these women entertain these men? is it perhaps because they are not gross and old? people generally don't take bad deals for no reason, especially not from a position of power and leverage - so if a man is with an attractive younger woman it means that he has things to offer her.
/r/PurplePillDebate16/11/25 10:20 AM
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if they are unattractive, they're already paying in some form. if they don't pay, they're desirable by definition. if women weren't satisfied with those men, they wouldn't be dating them. believe it or not, not all men in their 30s or even 40s+ look like decrepit mummies and some of them even have something to offer that's not just money. not sure what your motivations are for trying to recruit young women into prostitution but it seems like you just don't like men, probably due to your past exp…
/r/PurplePillDebate16/11/25 10:17 AM
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'what percentage of the whole relationship sex takes up 1%?' not of your week, of your free time, of your life or of the hours you're awake - of a relationship. if she meant it this way it's just not worded very well at all. the time i spend on my hobbies, going to the gym, working, hanging out with my friends are not part of a relationship to me. i'm just wondering how four borderline illiterate people downvoted me at this point tbh but it's ppd after all.
/r/PurplePillDebate15/11/25 09:42 AM
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no woman dates homeless men. the fact that young women don't go for guys living on the streets, just like any other woman out there, does not indicate that they only go for older men for money. there is no logical link there whatsoever.
/r/PurplePillDebate15/11/25 09:28 AM
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women want men to date in a way that benefits women, not themselves. of course they can't admit that, so men who date younger are labelled as immature predators, men who judge a woman's past as insecure misogynists, men who date foreign women are patriarchal losers, men in their 30s/40s who don't want marriage or just want to date casually as peter pans and fuckboys and so on. women's preferences are seen as the moral baseline of what's acceptable and valid to seek in a partner and the men who d…
/r/PurplePillDebate14/11/25 11:03 PM
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no woman goes for those demographics of men. well, maybe homeless women.
/r/PurplePillDebate14/11/25 10:54 PM
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that's not really true. the women i've been friends with throughout my life were very different compared to the women i've been in relationships with. i've had FWB and they were very different compared to actual relationships (both the women and the dynamic as a whole), even though i never planned to start a family in any LTR either. the only difference between a friendship and FWB is the sexual aspect, relationships are often/usually different beyond that.
/r/PurplePillDebate14/11/25 12:10 PM
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being asleep (while being in a relationship) is not exactly an aspect of being in a relationship. neither is the time people spend at work really or doing other things without their partner like hanging out with friends etc.
/r/PurplePillDebate14/11/25 12:01 PM
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if you take on a new role but men don't value that role in terms of romantic relationships, where does that leave things? especially when the obvious upside of having two incomes is negated by the fact that the men are still expected to provide. in this dynamic, women take on that new role for themselves and their own benefit, not to add value to a man's life. and it's not like most women want guys who take on feminine roles instead of masculine ones anyway. do gen-z women cook, clean and keep t…
/r/PurplePillDebate13/11/25 06:57 AM
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goomba fallacy #857
/r/PurplePillDebate12/11/25 04:22 AM
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i used celebrities as an example because everyone knows them. if i give you some anecdote from my life it's not relatable to you at all and since it's the internet i might just be making shit up anyway. no guy i know who dates younger, attractive women has a shortage of women his age who would love to be with them. what i hear is a sour grapes mentality because losers aren't the types of men who can pull off dating these women. and women lust for celebrities way more than men do in my experience…
/r/PurplePillDebate12/11/25 01:43 AM
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it's just projection. the guy who slept with the most escorts in my social circles is also the guy who slept with the most regular girls and has no issues pulling women. people out there thinking that no chad would ever pay for it are living in lala land. some pay out of convenience, not because women don't want them. they don't tie their ego to sleeping with women after they have been with dozens of them.
/r/PurplePillDebate12/11/25 01:35 AM
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a friend of mine is exactly that guy and he has no issues whatsoever attracting women without flashing his money. to him, it just isn't worth his time.
/r/PurplePillDebate12/11/25 01:32 AM
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i think people should date whatever age they want and recognize there are pros and cons to dating different age demographics. it's not my business to police what others should or shouldn't care about in their partners. most men, especially conservative men still want families so fertility is a real concern. of course it's only part of the equation, i'm not saying every guy should date younger, his age, older, whatever. they should figure it out what they want.
/r/PurplePillDebate12/11/25 01:28 AM
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on average, yes but not necessarily. like there are plenty of well-adjusted women out there who are pretty kinky and giving in the bedroom.
/r/PurplePillDebate12/11/25 01:02 AM
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chads don't pay for luxury purses for some entitled woman lmao. rich simps do. chad gets free access and bounces.
/r/PurplePillDebate12/11/25 12:58 AM
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if they are unavailable to a certain guy, he will stop pursuing them eventually unless he's an idiot - so that part doesn't really matter. personally, i can handle the effort in financial terms for some of these women, i just don't want to. the idea that every man would date a bimbo money pit if he could is ridiculous.
/r/PurplePillDebate12/11/25 12:56 AM
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people say whatever is in their best self-interest.
/r/PurplePillDebate11/11/25 10:55 PM
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the same people will cry about pattern recognition when it comes to crime statistics lol.
/r/PurplePillDebate11/11/25 10:49 PM
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who are 'people'? redditors? i don't see this IRL at all although luckily i'm not from the US.
/r/PurplePillDebate11/11/25 10:47 PM
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you don't have to put up with any of that though. the mistake men make is trying to convince women to change their ways rather than walking and finding somebody who already doesn't do these things - but many men are so desperate for any crumb of female attention that they'll put up with it so the market becomes what it is. monogamous relationships are a compromise on both male and female natural mating strategies. since men are the pursuers and women are the pursued on a macro level, women retai…
/r/PurplePillDebate11/11/25 10:41 PM
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the women are wonderful effect is a well studied phenomenon and there's solid evidence that women's in-group bias is significantly stronger than the male equivalent. but when science doesn't align with your own worldview, it's the science that must be wrong of course.
/r/PurplePillDebate11/11/25 10:27 PM
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the alphamale podcast bros who shit on single moms then end up dating them, who talk about body count and high value women but pay for sugar babies and OF chicks or have hoe girlfriends with lots of plastic surgery, who say things like being the head of a household is what every man wants and that everyone else is coping or gay, who talk about confidence but wear some weird beanie for decades because they're insecure about their hairline, who think the 20 something they're dating actually has a …
/r/PurplePillDebate11/11/25 10:10 PM
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plenty on askwomenover30 , datingoverforty etc.
/r/PurplePillDebate11/11/25 06:02 AM
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it depends. life experience is not as big of a draw for men as it is for women when it comes to the opposite sex and with age there's usually also baggage that comes with it. besides, young women are generally better socialized than men and mature faster which is something women themselves will say all the time and partly why you see a lot of women date up 2-5 years in age. i've had girlfriends in HS and college who were great partners honestly, a lot better than i would rate myself in that aspe…
/r/PurplePillDebate11/11/25 05:32 AM
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male and female promiscuity is not the same thing and neither are male and female preferences. you can pretend they are, but it's not reality. obviously that means that the perception of women and men will be different as a result. i don't care what women do but most of them aren't shamed for having a boyfriend and sleeping with him. promiscuity is distinctly different from having sex in committed, long-term relationships and it's what some guys have an issue with when it comes to who they want …
/r/PurplePillDebate10/11/25 09:07 PM
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everyone gets older and becomes less attractive over time but everyone wants an attractive partner when they're out there dating - that doesn't mean you just replace them eventually. women might want to date a guy with a full head of hair, does that mean she will divorce him if he loses it 10 years down the line? most likely not, because at that point you have built a life together, you love each other, you have history and so on. none of that is the case when people are single and just dating. …
/r/PurplePillDebate10/11/25 08:51 PM
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dating young women = shallow dating tall, muscular men with a good jawline = empowerment weird how that works, right?
/r/PurplePillDebate10/11/25 08:37 PM
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sure, older women would never want the hollywood actors and pro athletes who date women 10-20+ years younger than them. that's like short guys coping that they don't want the supermodels who date 6'3'' men.
/r/PurplePillDebate10/11/25 08:34 PM
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it's the same thing when it comes to men who date abroad. i lived in SEA and the #1 complaint of female expats there is their dating life - they struggle to compete and western expat men mostly aren't interested in them. there's even support groups or w/e you want to call it on the subject on facebook. women move back home all the time because of it. but of course the narrative in the west is that these men are all losers and undesirable (don't get me wrong, a lot of them are but it's definitely…
/r/PurplePillDebate10/11/25 08:28 PM
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somehow women never have these opinions about older single women.
/r/PurplePillDebate10/11/25 08:07 PM
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women in their 20s are not the youngest age they can legally get away with - in most states it would be 16 and the vast majority of european countries have ages of consent under 18 too. in essence, nothing you said makes any sense whatsoever.
/r/PurplePillDebate10/11/25 08:05 PM
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there's a difference between having high standards for how you're treated and chasing a small minority of highly attractive men who will predictably not commit to the vast majority of women ever. women on dating apps generally do the latter and the women who date like this are those who end up with the most sexual partners despite having 'high standards'.
/r/PurplePillDebate10/11/25 07:45 AM
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it's not really the more sex she has, it's the more sexual partners she has, especially casual ones - at least that's the viewpoint most guys who care about a woman's sexual history have ime. i don't know many guys who have a problem with a woman who's been in one or a couple serious relationships and had sex every day with her bf(s) really. maybe conservative muslims but that's it.
/r/PurplePillDebate10/11/25 07:43 AM
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i know that nuance is lost on many on this sub but most guys have no problem with dating women who have had a few boyfriends they had sex with. there's a pretty big middle ground between being a virgin for life and sleeping with randoms off tinder every weekend.
/r/PurplePillDebate10/11/25 07:38 AM
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men who want easy access to sex chase promiscuous women. these guys are not looking for wives or even long-term gfs most of the time. they're there for a good time, not a long time. the women i see men in my circles settle down with are very much the (attractive) good girl type. nobody i know wants to marry a woman who's been with dozens of dudes, blew guys they just met in some bathroom etc. young, attractive men are a lot more likely to be in the first category and that's why they pursue the l…
/r/PurplePillDebate09/11/25 10:59 PM
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citation needed
/r/PurplePillDebate09/11/25 10:43 PM
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it's even crazier in france where paternity tests are illegal unless they're court ordered - to keep social cohesion according to lawmakers. absolute clown world.
/r/PurplePillDebate09/11/25 10:28 PM
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people talk so much about the dangers of the manosphere and even made a netflix series about it but when it comes to female online content it doesn't represent reality - even when female life coaches like thewizardliz have 8 million subscribers, significantly more than any manosphere bro i'm aware of. to think that this stuff doesn't affect millions of women, particularly in the terminally online demographic of gen z-ers is out of touch with reality if anything. and no, ofc not all women yada ya…
/r/PurplePillDebate09/11/25 10:00 AM
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i hear people from the US say this but it's not really true. if i compare her policies to 'die linke' in germany (meaning 'the left') which is the most left-wing party in the bundestag, they are incredibly similar, in some areas almost identical (increasing top tax rates, anti-interventionism, housing protection, minimum wage, climate protection, immigration). what policies exactly are european left wing parties so much more 'left' on than AOC? maybe there's a few examples in a couple european c…
/r/PurplePillDebate09/11/25 07:01 AM
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there's a third option to single & childless women and single mothers. and men as a demographic are net tax contributors, women are not.
/r/PurplePillDebate09/11/25 06:46 AM
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with the statistics on children from single mother homes, i am not so sure this holds true for that demographic in particular - at the very least they're a much smaller net benefit than children from two parent households. if anything the state should discourage single motherhood but on the other hand you can't really 'punish' single moms because innocent children will be the ones suffering. it would have to be through other means i guess.
/r/PurplePillDebate09/11/25 06:43 AM
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exactly, the 'nerds' in my school were almost always meek, submissive, people pleasing, had bland personalities, lacked confidence, were socially awkward, often physically unattractive and so on. girls at that age obviously didn't give a fuck about their great grades and future prospects.
/r/PurplePillDebate09/11/25 06:26 AM
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i literally grew up around those people and they sure were a lot better at talking/bantering/flirting to/with women, being generally sociable and not awkward, more confident, not pushovers etc. than the nerds in my math class. and most of them dated girls from the same type of neighborhood (high crime/low income) or from similar backgrounds but they weren't necessarily the 'out of control' types or low IQ. the reasons people get into crime is also a lot more complex than you present. i know a fe…
/r/PurplePillDebate09/11/25 06:20 AM
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then you should phrase your question better. as it is, it seems primarily focused on not having a partner and a good support network of friends and family are entirely separate from that, as is one's financial situation. sure, if i had absolutely nobody and had no money in the bank either, it would probably suck as it would for everybody (so what's the point in even asking) but i would do better in those circumstances than the average person i think.
/r/PurplePillDebate09/11/25 06:03 AM
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40% is the obesity rate for adults but another 30% are overweight. they're not the same things.
/r/PurplePillDebate08/11/25 02:58 AM
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because the guys who are successful with women already have traits that are attractive. not the fact that they're drug dealers or whatever - but they know how to talk to people, are confident, funny, charming and whatever else. meanwhile the STEM guys are often socially awkward and lack a lot of these kind of traits in general. for them, self-improvement should be focused on developing an interesting lifestyle and personality. there are many ways in which people can become more attractive to the…
/r/PurplePillDebate08/11/25 02:55 AM
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i disagree that social skills aren't a big factor in dating but i do find it interesting that when men struggle with women, it's apparently because they're deficient in one way or another while women are told that dating is just about luck and that most men ain't shit. regardless, i think that self-improvement is good advice for a lot of people - i've seen enough guys who put in no effort in their appearance, who aren't interesting or pleasant to be around, who are out of shape etc. complain abo…
/r/PurplePillDebate08/11/25 02:49 AM
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i'm not black pilled and i put in the effort to be with women i want to be with. single mothers are just not part of that group.
/r/PurplePillDebate08/11/25 02:46 AM
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some beta male types become financially successful in life - it's actually quite common. that's only part of their SMV though and i wouldn't be surprised if the women are with them for financial utility first and foremost (and because these women don't have many good options to begin with). having money doesn't always translate to having a plethora of options with women, just ask the tech geeks in the bay area about that one. you can find anecdotal evidence for just about anything with 8 billion…
/r/PurplePillDebate08/11/25 02:38 AM
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these stats are indeed very misleading and i roll my eyes anytime anyone brings them up for multiple reasons. correlation is not causation and as you pointed out women select for healthier men with more resources for example. there are however more reasons, like counting people who are divorced and didn't remarry (i.e. those who probably had the worst outcomes in divorces on average) in the unmarried crowd. not only do these stats on married men exclude a large chunk of what is considered the bi…
/r/PurplePillDebate08/11/25 02:29 AM
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not at all. i have plenty of friends, a big family and money. i also really enjoy being by myself in general, i don't need or want people around me 24/7 for the most part.
/r/PurplePillDebate08/11/25 02:19 AM
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it's deliberate misrepresentation because anyone who knows how statistical analysis works and lives in the real world instead of some ideological lala land will quickly realize that these statistics aren't actually saying what people who cite these 'studies' represent them to.
/r/PurplePillDebate07/11/25 08:56 AM
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you can have that outside of marriage if you so desire. you might lose status in some tradcon type of circles (personally idgaf) but also gain status among other demographics of men if the reason you're not married is not tied to not being able to attract any women in the first place - at least in today's day and age with the realities around divorce and how widespread the knowledge of that is. plenty of men will think it's a smart decision, especially if you have more to lose than the average p…
/r/PurplePillDebate07/11/25 08:53 AM
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a pretty broad net you say? 1 in 200 taxpayers earn 7 figures or more in the US and she has a long checklist on top of that which she didn't clarify and might include who knows what. in comparison, more than 1 in 7 guys are 'the dreaded six foot tall guy' (or taller). not only that but she's 44 and not particularly attractive, she might have a degree but works as a receptionist and hasn't been in a relationship for 2 decades. the guy she wants is not just leagues above her, there's practically a…
/r/PurplePillDebate07/11/25 12:59 AM
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i think it's less common for men because men receive more pragmatic advice rather than empty 'feel good' platitudes from their friends and society in general. it's a common trope that women often don't want somebody to solve their issues when they complain about something, they just want to feel heard. men are forced to take accountability for unplanned pregnancies by the state through child support fwiw. they don't get a way out of the situation legally.
/r/PurplePillDebate07/11/25 12:54 AM
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it's not a gendered thing, which is why i gave the stripper example or cases of men being used for money in general. the reality is you can only change your own behavior, not control others. we can talk all day about how nice it would be to live in some hypothetical utopia but it's not going to help anyone in the real world. what helps is taking accountability for your part, because all these men are not some sort of master manipulators without any obvious red flags. i mean, women commonly recog…
/r/PurplePillDebate07/11/25 12:43 AM
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the 2021 'American Perspectives Survey' concluded that about 15% of men don't have close friends compared to about 10% of women, which means men are 50% more likely to be in that position relatively speaking. there is also other data that shows that women lean on friends for emotional support more, which you can blame men for i guess but male socialization has a big impact on this and is not the fault of any given individual. i don't have to theorize why something is the case, in fact i'm probab…
/r/PurplePillDebate07/11/25 12:37 AM
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you did say more than that, which is why i addressed the rest as well. you should read the whole post before starting your response. it's pretty obvious which men are desirable and which aren't, you don't need to be gay or a woman for that. you can see it by their dating results, how they behave, how they look, how much they earn, how sociable they are and so on. single moms are still women, they're just not the pick of the litter when it comes to dating. or do you honestly think that most attra…
/r/PurplePillDebate07/11/25 12:29 AM
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given how many women seem to have dated narcissists (in a lot of cases, multiple) they seem to either be sharing a small percentage of men or have no fucking idea what they're talking about - narcissists are only a small minority of the population after all. neither of which most of these women will admit to of course.
/r/PurplePillDebate07/11/25 12:22 AM
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but didn't you go to school, college, etc. and see first hand what women actually respond to, what type of guys attract women and what types don't? it's always kind of baffling to me because i realized these things as a teenager without needing any guidance from parents or otherwise, i didn't need to read books about it or listen to youtube videos and so on. the evidence is right before your eyes every single day from a young age.
/r/PurplePillDebate07/11/25 12:10 AM
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the issue is also that barely anyone thinks they have a bad personality - it's a nobody is a villain in their own story type of situation. i mean your personality is so essential to who you are as a person so it makes sense i guess. but yes, i agree that people with these complaints more generally don't have an interesting/attractive personality and then sometimes it goes as far as being the meek obedient stereotypical nice guy doormat - which is not just not attracting women, it's actively repe…
/r/PurplePillDebate07/11/25 12:05 AM
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everyone knows that being a criminal is bad, there's no need to advocate against it. it's common sense. shaming those behaviors doesn't work, these guys will do whatever they want. they also rarely complain about the outcomes i.e. the consequences of their actions to the degree that women do when they talk about dating the very same men. i also disagree with men giving other men empty platitudes that are supposed to make them feel better when they complain about a problem. that's what women do w…
/r/PurplePillDebate06/11/25 02:55 PM
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guys wanting to fuck a woman is not the flex you think it is. neither are guys who rank low on the desirability scale wanting to commit to a woman. the men women actually want don't deal with single mothers for the most part.
/r/PurplePillDebate06/11/25 02:48 PM
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financially imbalanced relationships are 3.5 times more likely to have a male breadwinner vs a female one.
/r/PurplePillDebate06/11/25 06:44 AM
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yes but they are more likely to. when discussing things on a macro level, people usually go by statistics you know? you can't account for every single individual when looking at massive demographics.
/r/PurplePillDebate06/11/25 06:43 AM
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i hear this from women a lot and i roll my eyes every time. they think because their single friends have a good career and are well travelled they would make good relationship prospects - meanwhile they might be complete trainwrecks as a partner and lack the qualities that men seek romantically. and i've even seen bi women pointing this out in female circlejerk subreddits without getting too much pushback from other women because it's the reality. what exactly makes a quality woman for a relatio…
/r/PurplePillDebate06/11/25 06:37 AM
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i don't suffer from oneitis or believe in non-sense like soulmates. i can find another woman i want. not sure what exactly the excuses are here, if anything you're proving my point that men go for single moms because they struggle to get other women they like.
/r/PurplePillDebate06/11/25 06:24 AM
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the vast majority of pregnancies are not results of rape, it's about 1 in 167 according to publicly available data. why do you use very rare cases to make a point about something in general? we're talking about less than 1% here. yes, men lie and so do women, but if somebody can hide the fact that they're a complete loser with a couple of words then i don't know how you'd function in the real world honestly. like, if a stripper told me she loved me for me after i threw 500$ her way, would you th…
/r/PurplePillDebate06/11/25 06:21 AM
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they're just hot losers and women mostly let things slide because of it. it's always interesting how they realize all the red flags retroactively but rarely in the moment and often fall into the same patterns with several men before taking some accountability for their choices (if that ever happens).
/r/PurplePillDebate06/11/25 06:12 AM
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it might shock you but people care about looks when it comes to dating. and preferring somebody who isn't bitter/jaded doesn't boil down to a want to manipulate that person, it just makes for a more pleasant relationship for me. that doesn't mean it doesn't happen in some cases but to pretend it's some sort of inherent link is simply unintellectual. of course i care about things other than age, i'm not just out there looking to date every 21 year old that might be interested. that's not the topi…
/r/PurplePillDebate06/11/25 06:10 AM
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i only watched 15 seconds of it - but a woman who looks like her having 'very high standards' is not going to work out. of course dating is not easy when you're shooting way out of your league. /e: watched the rest and it was about what i expected only 10x worse. it must be satire really - a 44 year old receptionist at a law firm who thinks she's going to be a managing partner soon, looking for a 7 figure earner who checks her long list of boxes after being single for 2 decades. talk about delus…
/r/PurplePillDebate06/11/25 05:37 AM
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best way to improve the odds is to not get married.
/r/PurplePillDebate05/11/25 06:54 AM
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i'm sure he prefers his position over yours, you don't have to remind him.
/r/PurplePillDebate05/11/25 06:53 AM
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the women i've been friends with (like actual friends, not just acquaintances) were very different from any of the women i've been in relationships with, especially when it came to their personalities. so yes, romantic relationships for me do look very different than friendships even if you exclude the sex component. that doesn't mean i don't like spending time with my gf or that we don't have a good time together, it's just very different.
/r/PurplePillDebate05/11/25 12:06 AM
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maybe these guys aren't all abusers and some just wanted a different relationship style than the woman they ended up with? like, how do you even determine when someone was used for sex? people have different preferences when it comes to the dynamics of their LTRs. if two people aren't compatible in this area, nobody is necessarily to blame. some guys are accused of being fboys and using women when they're actually looking for relationships but break things off with a woman who didn't meet their …
/r/PurplePillDebate04/11/25 11:58 PM
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they find it 'creepy' because it puts them at a disadvantage in the realm of dating and because their own attraction works differently. it's not like women don't have superficial standards for the men they date either, but women tend to view their own preferences as some sort of moral baseline that men should adhere to as well. reality doesn't work like that, no matter what these women find 'creepy'. i don't think women depreciate with age, i would never leave my aging girlfriend for someone you…
/r/PurplePillDebate04/11/25 11:42 PM
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if studies are mixed and you make a conclusion about every man who consistently dates younger women based on them it is indeed illogical. some reasons that come to mind for dating younger would be looks, a longer fertility window and less baggage. i realize that the last one is frowned upon by some but women say the same thing about older men - that they're more bitter and jaded. and guess what, nobody really questions that narrative and calls it misandrist.
/r/PurplePillDebate04/11/25 11:35 PM
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there's nothing immoral about dating younger women and trying to moralize other people's dating preferences (as long as they're legal) is linked to about the same level of ideological indoctrination as moralizing being gay, just the other way round. if it was indeed immoral and if being successful does make it easier to have a moral compass, how come the most successful demographics of men are in the largest age gaps relationships? like, the average age gap for men in the forbes 400 is about 3x …
/r/PurplePillDebate04/11/25 11:29 PM
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do you think evo psych is complete bullshit? imo a lot of people in red pill type of spaces oversimplify things and attribute too much to evo psych/take it as a 'be all end all' but the reality is that both nature and nurture are significant components of our behavior as a species and we are not blank slates either.
/r/PurplePillDebate04/11/25 11:26 PM
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if only there was a way to prevent getting pregnant by losers in the first place. if only.
/r/PurplePillDebate04/11/25 11:11 PM
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good policies, like not deporting refugees who raped minors because the rape wasn't severe enough/didn't last long enough.
/r/PurplePillDebate04/11/25 11:09 PM
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i could step up but why would i? the guys who do are in scarcity when it comes to women or have some savior complex going on 8 times out of 10. that's the reality. not a single guy i know around my age (35) who is doing well in dating is going for single moms. at least when we're talking about women with children that aren't out of the house yet or at least about to be, not 60 year olds dating other 60 year olds. having no options ain't a virtue and that dad who stepped up thing is just cope.
/r/PurplePillDebate04/11/25 10:57 PM
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why?
/r/PurplePillDebate04/11/25 10:51 PM
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there was a thread on awo30 a couple days ago where the OP asked other women how to find a wealthy man (she was relatively wealthy herself). even in that liberal feminist echo chamber of a sub people told her that the guy she's looking for is not looking for a 37 year old single mom lol. this doctor was probably a dorky nerd in school/college and has no game or looks and lacks an attractive personality - otherwise he would not be dating your overweight friend. nothing about this anecdote shows i…
/r/PurplePillDebate04/11/25 10:41 PM
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OP is confused himself it seems because none of it makes any sense
/r/PurplePillDebate04/11/25 10:37 PM
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trying to disprove commonly known facts with one single anecdote #25512 on PPD if you are attractive enough you can get away with a lot of shit. if you are very unattractive, not much will help you. most people fall in between and for them things like social skills do matter a lot.
/r/PurplePillDebate04/11/25 10:28 PM
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what are manosphere beliefs in your opinion? because according to a lot of women, caring about body count is one of them and i assume you wouldn't disqualify men for that since it's important for yourself. could you give some examples? because it's a really broad category i think.
/r/PurplePillDebate04/11/25 04:07 AM
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the effort to reward ratio changed and some of this stuff also gives women the ick these days.
/r/PurplePillDebate04/11/25 04:05 AM
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they're 'single by choice' (of the men they want)
/r/PurplePillDebate04/11/25 04:04 AM
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there was an experiment where someone posted stories in a subreddit (AITA i believe) from a woman's perspective and then a few weeks later, the same scenario from a male PoV. the differences in responses were absolutely comical but that's reddit feminists for ya.
/r/PurplePillDebate04/11/25 04:01 AM
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ask for source 'just search man' truly a PPD post. the results i find are the flawed study i reference in the first place because it has been passed around mainstream media like a joint at a frat party. you are probably referencing the same study and are simply unaware that it's not exactly scientific and has been retracted. feel free to prove me otherwise.
/r/PurplePillDebate03/11/25 06:08 PM
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if those men have nefarious motivations, sure. personally i've been a much worse boyfriend in my teens and early 20s than i am now in my mid 30s and most of the guys i grew up around are similar. most trainwreck relationships i've seen were young women dating young men.
/r/PurplePillDebate03/11/25 06:07 PM
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are they successful men, with women and otherwise? or just average joes who want to tell men way above them on the social status 'hierarchy' how to live their lives? like redditors trying to 'lecture' leonardo dicaprio type of situations, because that type of thing is just hilarious to me. and if we go with anecdotes, the only man who i felt had a problem with my dating choices in my life is my cousin who's a stereotypical beta nice guy married to a feminist woman. i wouldn't trade places with h…
/r/PurplePillDebate03/11/25 06:03 PM
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it's a figure of speech. what's normal to you anyway? the average person who is rather unimpressive? because their opinions are irrelevant to me, which is the point here.
/r/PurplePillDebate03/11/25 05:58 PM
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you're using anecdotal evidence to suggest that it's something that's universal ('those exceptions are never the men who consistently date younger.'). i don't think i should have to point out how illogical that is.
/r/PurplePillDebate03/11/25 05:53 PM
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citation needed (reddit opinions don't count).
/r/PurplePillDebate03/11/25 05:52 PM
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you are talking about likelihood, plenty of people talk about it being an inherent problem - that's all that i'm pointing out. of course creep is different from loser but people use both insults against men who date younger women. i don't think that age being a draw to some men is inherently problematic. women who are younger are not just more naive, they are more physically attractive, more fertile, less jaded and so on too. who are you to determine why a guy is dating a younger women in the fi…
/r/PurplePillDebate03/11/25 05:52 PM
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you can have whatever opinions you want of course, as can anyone else in a free society - but few people are consistent with that logic and the same women who criticize age gaps will often talk about slut shaming being a problem for example. it's also besides the point. i'm not arguing that nobody should have opinions i don't like, i'm arguing against the fact that 'most people' (especially on reddit, which is what the OP is about) have a problem with age gaps merely because of the potential of …
/r/PurplePillDebate03/11/25 05:46 PM
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when people criticize age gaps on reddit they rarely make it about potential red flags that can come with it - they instead make rather blanket statements and call men who pursue younger women creeps, misogynists, abusers, losers etc. by default, like there's something inherently wrong with it.
/r/PurplePillDebate02/11/25 11:14 AM
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lions don't concern themselves with the opinions of sheep. i've never seen successful men who are experienced with women lecture other men about their dating choices and moralize age gaps IRL. literally never happened.
/r/PurplePillDebate02/11/25 11:01 AM
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because they don't parrot mainstream narratives and feminist talking points.
/r/PurplePillDebate02/11/25 10:57 AM
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i lived in thailand for 2 years and made a bunch of western friends. none of them were LBH, although you of course see those types in the red light districts and general touristy areas a lot too. personally i never struggled with women in western europe, i dated since i was a teenager etc. and yet i've found myself with a infinitely more options in BKK than i had in my hometown. i don't travel for dating so i don't consider myself a PBB but experiencing it first hand i can understand guys who do…
/r/PurplePillDebate02/11/25 10:50 AM
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a lot of the women who had one bad experience with an older guy have a history of trainwreck relationships, situationships etc. with guys their age too. in that case it's not the age gap that's the issue.
/r/PurplePillDebate02/11/25 10:42 AM
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maybe 20%? it's hard to quantify honestly but i've never been unhappy because i was single and there was a time in my life where i avoided dating entirely to focus on other things without it really affecting my well-being. relationships require effort and compromise after all. the biggest factor for me is good, regular sex tbh. if that was taken off the table hypothetically, i'd prefer being single. of course there are other benefits to relationships but i also love the freedom of being able to …
/r/PurplePillDebate02/11/25 05:51 AM
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what you think is normal does not matter. only what is.
/r/PurplePillDebate02/11/25 04:57 AM
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what's your source for single older women being the most happy demographic? might it be a flawed study that has since been retracted? 4b is a fringe minority movement. most normal women don't want to live like that.
/r/PurplePillDebate02/11/25 04:56 AM
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the women i want aren't on dating apps but cold approaching ain't it either. i'd rather meet women naturally.
/r/PurplePillDebate02/11/25 01:31 AM
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these people really seem to think that somehow only losers' SMV goes up in other places of the world and that only those guys would ever travel and date abroad.
/r/PurplePillDebate02/11/25 01:11 AM
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a lot of negative traits and characteristics have genetic components, that doesn't mean you should judge the children of deadbeats, abusers, pedos, violent criminals etc. just based on that.
/r/PurplePillDebate02/11/25 01:08 AM
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feminists could do that too, so these women don't have to resort to other means (according to them). they don't either.
/r/PurplePillDebate02/11/25 01:04 AM
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do you think men from countries where machismo runs rampant are not abusive at higher rates than western men? i dated some thai women and lived there for 2 years, the shit that women put up with local men in some cases is crazy and it's one of the reasons why some women prefer dating westerners. i'm also pretty confident that women in abusive relationships have much better chances of leaving and getting help in the most egalitarian countries in the world compared to some 3rd world place with sup…
/r/PurplePillDebate02/11/25 01:01 AM
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if a man can only offer money to women in 3rd world countries, it's the same thing in the west. if he is desirable beyond that, it will be the same everywhere in the world. but even if it's purely transactional, these guys will ultimately get more bang for their buck somewhere outside of the west.
/r/PurplePillDebate02/11/25 12:55 AM
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i'm definitely not a tradcon but your take is quite biased. for example, it's not easy for women to find husbands they actually want, otherwise there wouldn't be so many single women. the whole 'single by choice' narrative is just cope by women who can't get the men they want 9 times out of 10. the vast majority of men are not going to be interested in open marriages, marrying porn stars etc., especially not men who are masculine and desirable. i have some friend who are in traditional marriages…
/r/PurplePillDebate02/11/25 12:52 AM
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how many men provide for feminist women who make their own money? i don't ever see that IRL, at least not entirely. what i see quite a bit are SAHMs.
/r/PurplePillDebate02/11/25 12:43 AM
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if you have zero prospects then yes, you're below average or simply putting in zero effort into dating - but average guys certainly don't have an abundance of options either, not even with average women.
/r/PurplePillDebate29/10/25 02:25 PM
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you're an outlier, not the norm.
/r/PurplePillDebate29/10/25 02:14 PM
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kids and animals can't consent, adult women can. yet the same people who want to moralize sexual attraction to young women are disgusted by hardcore religious fundamentalists who moralize being gay. so where exactly does it stop being ok? wherever your world view stops?
/r/PurplePillDebate29/10/25 02:14 PM
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does this apply to other things like being able to vote too? because i somehow doubt that left wing people would want that and ime that's the demographic who talks the most about power dynamics yada yada. regardless, it's interesting that the most clueless age demographic leans left the most.
/r/PurplePillDebate29/10/25 02:08 PM
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https://www.businessinsider.com/dataclysm-shows-men-are-attracted-to-women-in-their-20s-2014-10
/r/PurplePillDebate29/10/25 02:04 PM
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but if you ask women and their obedient betas, these men go for younger women because women their age won't have them. doesn't sound like top10% to me.
/r/PurplePillDebate29/10/25 02:00 PM
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thank god i'm only 35. anyway, if someone can't attract those women, he will notice pretty quickly. although i do think that red pill talking points around this topic can be quite detached from reality - like how men who were nobodies in high school/college will get young women lusting after their 9-5 and studio apartment when they hit 30+.
/r/PurplePillDebate29/10/25 01:59 PM
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there's nothing amoral about being attracted to young women. and while it might not apply to every single man (this one should be rather obvious), there's data that shows that men of all age groups find women in their early 20s the most attractive on average. to me, the people trying to shame men for their preferences are as insufferable as the guys talking shit about older women 24/7, especially when these preferences are normal.
/r/PurplePillDebate29/10/25 01:55 PM
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that's just an overgeneralization. a desirable western man is desirable anywhere in the world. guys who can attract women in the west are not restricted to dating single moms and sex workers anywhere. i mean the stereotype is not entirely inaccurate as a lot of westerners in SEA fit that description but it's not all of them. i've lived in thailand for two years and trust me, a lot of the local men aren't exactly the cream of the crop. lots of abusive/one-sided relationships, bums and infidelity.
/r/PurplePillDebate28/10/25 06:54 PM
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i'll take 'i've never left my home country' for 500
/r/PurplePillDebate28/10/25 06:45 PM
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all of them, really? the 6'3'' swedes i met at a muay thai gym in thailand would clean up virtually anywhere in the world, yet they come to thailand every winter and enjoy 'trying the local cuisine' quite a bit (one of them was looking at a remote job to live there permanently too). make a female tinder profile in BKK and tell me again how every man on there is what you describe because i think you're in for a surprise. yes, this stereotype exists for a reason as many fit it and especially in th…
/r/PurplePillDebate28/10/25 06:38 PM
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instead it's demonizing an entire gender. besides, we all know that the women with these takes are upset that they can't find an attractive man (who meets their standards/preferences). it's really not that different.
/r/PurplePillDebate28/10/25 06:31 PM
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women do the same thing, even in very mainstream spaces. other women rarely call them out, if anything they're supportive and understanding because they agree that men ain't shit yada yada.
/r/PurplePillDebate28/10/25 06:28 PM
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do you believe in collective guild by association through gender, race or whatever other metric?
/r/PurplePillDebate28/10/25 06:26 PM
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if women genuinely desire you, it's not 'beta bux'. it's just dating and having money. i've lived in SEA and LATAM and the issue with a lot of guys who go abroad mainly/exclusively for women is that they take it as some shortcut to 'success'. they don't actually work on themselves, they're often out of shape, have poor social skills, don't dress and groom well and so on. of course the only women they'll attract will be all about their money. there are also normal guys who do take care of themsel…
/r/PurplePillDebate28/10/25 06:23 PM
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you learn relationship skills in relationships, not by sleeping with random people
/r/PurplePillDebate28/10/25 03:02 AM
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deporting illegal immigrants is not the same as imprisoning random democrats.
/r/PurplePillDebate27/10/25 02:29 AM
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some guys just like variety and rather would get with new women, especially if it's not difficult for them, and others have other girls they're seeing already and might prefer/be more attracted to. they also might be genuinely busy with other stuff going on in their lives but chances are that's not the only reason. personally i always tried to keep a good thing going, especially if it's low effort and i think the same is true for most of my friends. usually it's the women who have more expectati…
/r/PurplePillDebate26/10/25 05:59 PM
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i'm not the one claiming that the opposing political party would have me arrested, you are. when guys like hasanabi can openly support terrorism, i don't think ordinary citizens have to worry about being arrested for it. it's quite a ridiculous notion.
/r/PurplePillDebate26/10/25 02:16 PM
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how is that defending the man and what he did? you seem to view this as sort of a dichotomy where you either criticize the woman or the man in this incident but both can be wrong for different reasons. nothing i said indicates that it's okay to act this way. there is no 'my version of events'. you are the one who said what happened despite it being impossible to confirm without a reasonable doubt and i'm just pointing that out. i don't know what exactly happened (like every single detail) and ne…
/r/PurplePillDebate26/10/25 02:12 PM
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the point isn't who's giving them a free pass, it's that it's happening. i'm not responsible for what other men do or say.
/r/PurplePillDebate26/10/25 02:04 PM
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honestly, who cares at this point? if you can and want to date younger, just do it. you're not going to face these social repercussions that feminists online talk about. the people in your life won't suddenly think you're a loser when they've known you for years or even decades. in fact, it's a status symbol among men if anything. there's really no point in arguing with these people. you can give them rational reasons, talk about personal preferences, do whatever really and they will cling on to…
/r/PurplePillDebate26/10/25 01:20 PM
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loud minority + female in-group bias at work. and most young women are liberal/feminist so any talking point that demonizes men is one they will eat up. either way, what one demographic of women does does not disprove what another one is doing.
/r/PurplePillDebate26/10/25 01:12 PM
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'I sucked older men dry, left them when I felt done with them' this is what makes her sound like a sex worker.
/r/PurplePillDebate26/10/25 01:06 PM
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men who can attract younger women don't struggle to get women their age and chances are they aren't married because they don't want to be. if anything dating your own age is much easier for the vast majority of men. a whole lot of projection going on based on your individual experience.
/r/PurplePillDebate26/10/25 01:04 PM
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you don't think that the female teachers who are caught having sex with underage students get more lenient sentences and treatment from the public than the men who do the same thing? really?
/r/PurplePillDebate25/10/25 06:07 PM
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'The statistic shows that false reports are actually rare for sa especially if compared to other crimes.' which statistics? SA accusations are difficult to prove/disprove and the conviction rate for these crimes are also very low as a result. most cases are inconclusive and it's a very dishonest argument to use the low rates of proven false reports to argue or imply that the vast majority of SA allegations are true.
/r/PurplePillDebate25/10/25 06:02 PM
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'going to war' over slightly above average single moms? many american men really have no standards whatsoever it seems.
/r/PurplePillDebate25/10/25 05:48 PM
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you don't think it happens at all? i mean sure, it's probably overblown but there are plenty of dead bedroom marriages where wives treat their husbands like roommates and errand boys.
/r/PurplePillDebate25/10/25 05:46 PM
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are 8s actually settling for single moms in the US? is the dating market that cooked over there that desirable men can't find childless women to date? legitimately no guy in my circles would consider that here in eastern europe (or even in western europe where i lived before) but then again attractive women are a dime a dozen here and being single by choice or serial casual dating is not nearly as common.
/r/PurplePillDebate25/10/25 05:43 PM
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do you really disagree with the fact that most women cannot get anyone they want?
/r/PurplePillDebate25/10/25 05:27 PM
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which question did you ask me that i didn't answer? i mean i know why you don't want to answer this one - because you would have to face your own cognitive dissonance.
/r/PurplePillDebate24/10/25 09:21 PM
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please quote me where i have been arguing for the innocence of this man AT ALL, let alone vigorously because i'm 100% sure i never did that and you're just projecting some non-sense onto me like you have done before on here. i think both of the people in this incident are in the wrong in different ways fwiw. what's crazy is you making shit up. i have seen the video. now please explain how we are supposed to know that she didn't open a cracked door before she started recording? i'll wait, but i'm…
/r/PurplePillDebate24/10/25 09:17 PM
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evolution cannot be replicated. it's literally impossible. that doesn't mean that evo psych is made up bs though.
/r/PurplePillDebate24/10/25 08:49 PM
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typical left-wing fearmongering - but the right is in power and yet you are free.
/r/PurplePillDebate24/10/25 08:47 PM
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because that's the purpose of recording a crime - to have evidence. once she went beyond that you can't use the 'recording a crime' excuse. it's perfectly reasonable for doordash to fire her for this. if the genders were reversed here, i think guys like you or her other supporters would be the first ones to say it's fucked up. my position would remain the same.
/r/PurplePillDebate24/10/25 08:45 PM
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source that his door was wide open? i mean the wide part.
/r/PurplePillDebate24/10/25 08:29 PM
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do you defend guys who take pictures of women changing through their windows too? i'm guessing not. besides that, a company can fire you even if you didn't break a law.
/r/PurplePillDebate24/10/25 08:27 PM
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then show it to the police, don't post it online.
/r/PurplePillDebate24/10/25 08:25 PM
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you mean illegal immigrants for breaking the law?
/r/PurplePillDebate24/10/25 03:21 AM
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and no people on the left say unhinged stuff ever of course. like supporting terrorist organizations and such.
/r/PurplePillDebate24/10/25 03:17 AM
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the left thinks a lot of people shouldn't be arrested or imprisoned, i'll give you that. even those who commit crimes.
/r/PurplePillDebate24/10/25 03:14 AM
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neither men nor women deserve anything except their human rights. 'deserve' is really the wrong term here and when i hear women talk about what they deserve on social media for example (other than being treated like a human being, general respect etc.), i just think they're entitled. the term princess treatment is a big red flag for me too, like you're not fucking royalty girl. tbf it's not that common for women to have that mindset in most of the countries i've lived in but it seems to be sprea…
/r/PurplePillDebate23/10/25 11:17 PM
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humans are more complex and culture has about as big of an impact on our behavior as our biology but that doesn't mean that evo psych is all bullshit. the people who subscribe to the blank slate theory are the ones peddling bullshit if anything.
/r/PurplePillDebate23/10/25 07:45 PM
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what about the scientists studying this field to formulate theories etc. in the first place? why people buy into it has very little to no bearing on whether or not it's scientific.
/r/PurplePillDebate23/10/25 07:44 PM
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people who think that our nature is the end all be all are as delusional as the people who subscribe to the idea that everything is a social construct and that humans are blank slates. it's much closer to 50:50 when it comes to nature vs. nurture than either of these extremes would like you to believe. evo psych is very difficult to prove from a methodological stand point because we can't directly observe or experiment on the evolutionary past but that doesn't mean it's complete make believe pse…
/r/PurplePillDebate23/10/25 07:41 PM
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'anything that doesn't match my world view is stupid/evil/whatever, even if it's backed up by science and statistics' - literally you. it's kind of ironic that you'd call anyone or anything stupid really.
/r/PurplePillDebate20/10/25 01:10 AM
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it's not that attractive men have worse morals, it's just that they have the option to date in a way that average guys don't, i.e. being non-committal and dating multiple women at the same time, getting away with putting in little effort, replacing women easily and so on. of course these guys also tend to get into relationships and marry but 1) usually not before exploring their options casually for a while and 2) with/to a woman of similar SMV. since attractive men rarely look for wives on tind…
/r/PurplePillDebate20/10/25 12:18 AM
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it's just blatantly false and anyone who has ever been to those countries will tell you that. an average western man will easily be in the top 10% income bracket in SEA, a guy who's 5'9'' is relatively tall compared to local men, western men are more egalitarian than let's say thai men which some women prefer, certain personality traits and characteristics are valued differently in different countries and so on. whether you can attract women in the west or not, you will find yourself with more o…
/r/PurplePillDebate19/10/25 09:52 AM
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not everyone's goal is finding their person, that's just blatantly false. especially in today's day and age. regardless, it's more difficult to find your '1 person' if the person you want doesn't want you. there's nothing neurotic about recognizing that men with options are more selective.
/r/PurplePillDebate17/10/25 02:47 PM
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https://www.sciencedirect.com/science/article/abs/pii/S0191886913012245 https://www.sciencedirect.com/science/article/abs/pii/S1090513814000774/ https://www.swipestats.io/blog/tinder-statistics andrew tate and blackpill funded studies and stats i assume?
/r/PurplePillDebate17/10/25 02:43 PM
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assortative mating is a thing but the data on it only really looks at coupled people, while the chronically single crowd doesn't necessarily date the same way.
/r/PurplePillDebate17/10/25 02:42 PM
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plenty of women take issue with it even without any insults. there are also women (including you) who insulting guys who have those standards, but then it's just 'having an opinion'.
/r/PurplePillDebate16/10/25 09:11 PM
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some men don't have many options so they can't be too selective if they want a partner and i honestly doubt that your friends have their pick of the litter when it comes to dating. women can find someone at any age, any weight, with any number of kids or previous sexual partners but the question is what their options look like, both in terms of quantity and quality.
/r/PurplePillDebate16/10/25 08:48 PM
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this is just a false dichotomy. there are women who enjoy sex and are adventurous in the bedroom but only in the context of committed relationships. being selective about who you sleep with doesn't mean that you just want vanilla sex once a week when partnered.
/r/PurplePillDebate16/10/25 08:35 PM
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nobody is intimidated by these women. they're just a pain in the ass 9 times out of 10. of course that's a blow to the ego so women reframe it.
/r/PurplePillDebate16/10/25 06:23 AM
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but plenty of women do, despite it being more risky and less satisfying than it is for men.
/r/PurplePillDebate15/10/25 07:56 PM
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as long as those standards don't include age, specific body types, sexual history, homemaking skills, submissive personality types etc. - according to most women it seems. i think it's 'dumb' to want someone who is in the exact same income bracket as you and that's the point: men and women don't tend to prioritize the same things to the same degree.
/r/PurplePillDebate15/10/25 07:51 PM
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they will message them and mostly get nowhere, then end up with nobody or with whoever they can get. it doesn't work out quite the same way for women because men in general date down for short-term sexual access. so women shooting out of their league has actual practical implications.
/r/PurplePillDebate15/10/25 07:44 PM
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it's just textbook female solipsism and self-projection.
/r/PurplePillDebate15/10/25 07:30 PM
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some guys don't have any standards because they're desperate but a lot of men have standards that simply aren't the same as yours or most other women's - and that's ok. we don't have to value the same things you do and we're not wired the same way when it comes to sexual selection specifically as we're a dimorphic species. in fact, guys with standards frequently get demonized by women because they're the wrong standards according to those women. it seems like women just want men to have the same…
/r/PurplePillDebate15/10/25 07:27 PM
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education is not the only difference between the two women described in the OP. for some reason some people here seem to hyper fixate on that aspect alone though.
/r/PurplePillDebate15/10/25 07:20 PM
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like i said, real life is not like OP's dichotomy so we agree there - but the way the though experiment is described, both women are a compromise in different ways to many men. personally i'd settle on a lack of college education before i settle on age and personality, as long as the woman is not an airhead - and i'm sure i'm not the only one. i'm much closer to the second guy in this thought experiment than the first one though tbf. and i don't derive any social status from my gf's education le…
/r/PurplePillDebate15/10/25 07:19 PM
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even desirable men don't have infinite options 24/7 available to them without any effort, they don't have threesomes every weekend etc. - that's reserved for A list celebrities and pro athletes. my friend could hop on tinder, take a woman on a date and likely get laid, go out to a bar and go home with someone etc. but sometimes he prefers paying a few bucks instead because it's not much money to him and he knows what he's getting and from exactly the type of woman that he's in the mood for at an…
/r/PurplePillDebate15/10/25 07:13 PM
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apply your opinion to virtually every other financial transaction between people, like in the job market and see how it holds up. working becomes slavery if people aren't paid for it. taking something from a store becomes theft if you don't pay for it. 'oh but sex for money is different because X Y and Z'. yes, different things are different - but i've never heard a logical argument why that difference is relevant enough to view it under a completely separate set of rules.
/r/PurplePillDebate15/10/25 07:06 PM
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you can't really make these 'equivalent' comparisons when dating and sex works completely differently in so many ways for men and women. we are not the same, especially as our sexuality is concerned. we're a dimorphic species. pretending otherwise is modern liberal delusion.
/r/PurplePillDebate15/10/25 07:00 PM
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masturbation pales in comparison to the real thing for most guys. that's even true for a lot of women - they're less likely to climax from sex, especially casual hookups and it's more risky for women to date casually in general but plenty of women still seek out sex when they're single because 'a girl's got needs'.
/r/PurplePillDebate15/10/25 06:58 PM
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guys from old money will likely go for option 1, at least if they have a good relationship with their family. the second type of man is more likely to go for option 2 in my experience. in real life, men with options don't have to choose within this kind of dichotomy though. the younger woman in this example can still have a good education and be the best of both worlds in a lot of men's minds.
/r/PurplePillDebate15/10/25 06:26 PM
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i agree that somebody with that background will probably lean towards the first option but i disagree with the framing that going for the second woman is a compromise while the first one isn't. they're both compromises depending what someone prioritizes and there are definitely men that would prefer a hotter, younger, lower maintenance wife who wants to be a housewife. i remember a thread on awo30 where professionally successful women themselves were talking about men who were their 'equals' goi…
/r/PurplePillDebate15/10/25 06:21 PM
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why do you think it's his only way? i know guys who are very successful with women but still engage in pay-for-play from time to time. one of them prefers it to the point that he doesn't bother with dating at all anymore even though he's far from an incel, pretty successful and sociable etc.
/r/PurplePillDebate15/10/25 06:03 PM
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out of the men i know, the guy who slept with the most prostitutes also does very well with regular women. at least in countries where it's legal, it's not always about desperation, it can just be out of convenience.
/r/PurplePillDebate15/10/25 06:01 PM
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consent for money is still consent, assuming no trafficking.
/r/PurplePillDebate15/10/25 05:57 PM
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men have higher sex drives than women and can't just get sex on tap whenever they like, even if they're quite attractive - most of the time it requires some degree of effort. men also tend to enjoy casual NSA sex more than women. i'm not into p4p but i have friends who are or have been in the past. these guys don't 'need' sex, they got laid plenty with regular women but still paid for it every now and then for convenience. even though it's not my thing i can definitely understand it, especially …
/r/PurplePillDebate15/10/25 05:41 PM
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i don't think about that because i don't think about marrying them or them being in my life long-term otherwise. just enjoy the ride for what it is. i think a lot of the guys who marry these women just overlook it and hope for the best, reframe it to her picking him over all the other guys she's been with, are oblivious to it to begin with, don't really think about it/know the stats, think they're the exception, are secretly turned on by it, don't have many options, don't care for whatever reaso…
/r/PurplePillDebate13/10/25 11:13 AM
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i live in a country that borders ukraine and i see ukrainian women out and about living their lives without a care in the world, grabbing ice cream, going shopping, hanging out at bars and so on every day. meanwhile the men are at the frontline if they even have the luxury of being alive. the privileged gender of men huh? according to delusional feminists.
/r/PurplePillDebate13/10/25 09:15 AM
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my maid is here twice a week for a couple of hours and i doordash pretty much all of my meals and groceries. not a whole lot left to do for me in terms of chores, or for any woman who would be living with me for that matter. women can leave relationships too and if anything, the data points to the fact that they do so more than men. there's zero reason for me to give up any financial leverage to a woman by getting married. it's quite absurd that men are labelled selfish, immature or whatever els…
/r/PurplePillDebate11/10/25 11:38 AM
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older generations, sure but i have friends with wives and kids who live very busy offline lives and are still aware of a bunch of this type of stuff. you definitely don't need to be chronically online to come across it in 2025.
/r/PurplePillDebate10/10/25 11:01 PM
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women frequently talk about the dangers of the manosphere and red pill content, how it affects millions of young men etc. but men who talk about the other side of the equation are somehow unreasonable? there are female content creators that have more followers than most manosphere dudes out there. thewizardliz is a good example with 8.3 million youtube subs. in a time where people are more terminally online than ever it's very dishonest to pretend that it doesn't affect millions of people to var…
/r/PurplePillDebate10/10/25 10:56 PM
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there's a difference between being a breadwinner/wanting a traditional relationship and being a guy who gets settled for, mostly for financial reasons/utility. the former doesn't exclude being attracted to the person, reciprocity, valuing each other etc. but the latter often does.
/r/PurplePillDebate10/10/25 10:48 PM
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mostly being nurturing, sensitive, kind, caring, warm, supportive and empathetic. also taking care of her appearance, dressing feminine, being somewhat fashionable etc. bring peace/no drama, be interesting to talk to, intellectually curious and generally fun to be around, good communication, have a matching libido and not be too vanilla. being a good cook helps as well. shared hobbies are not that important to me as my hobbies are very male dominated. if she likes to read it's a plus as long as …
/r/PurplePillDebate10/10/25 10:39 PM
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in other news, water is wet. to be fair though, in many cases the guys do some relationship/actual dating type of stuff with these women to get in their pants in the first place and later to stay there, so things can get blurry. however women will call it a situationship even after the fact, still clinging on to the delusion that it could have been something serious if they were more compatible, if he was emotionally available, if he was over his ex yada yada. when in reality, even if the guy wa…
/r/PurplePillDebate10/10/25 09:46 PM
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men rarely feel used after sex while women report high frequency of regret after casual encounters. men aren't the gender that complains about non-committal people in the dating pool. they complain about other things but not really that. women can get laid at any time they want so they don't have to 'use' anyone for sex because there's a line of men who'd jump at the opportunity. women themselves will tell you that guys deceive them to get in their pants, vice-versa it virtually never happens. m…
/r/PurplePillDebate10/10/25 09:40 PM
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shame is a tool women use to try and control male behavior. when it comes to dating, a domain where women arguably have power over men on a macro level, they don't want to lose leverage - they want to dictate the terms and keep the 'price' of female companionship and sex high. that's why they cheer on women with high standards, women who act in their self-interest above all else, women who decenter men or give unfavorable and unsolicited opinions about men and so on while insulting men for the v…
/r/PurplePillDebate09/10/25 09:57 PM
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i mean, it's not men who make hundreds of tiktoks with thousands of comments and likes about their dating standards and expectations. or similar content where women give their unsolicited opinions on men in various ways. yet when a guy expresses his standards and preferences in let's say a reddit thread where that's specifically the topic, some women will turn around and try to shame them for it. and men making similar content will get called misogynists and virtually every other name in the boo…
/r/PurplePillDebate09/10/25 09:41 PM
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how many men are women encountering on a day to day basis compared to how many wild animals they'll see in their entire lifetime? by that logic driving a car is 10x more dangerous than heroin.
/r/PurplePillDebate09/10/25 05:17 PM
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a lot of projection going on here, so it's ironic that you talk about moving goalposts. first of all i don't want kids and i have a maid to take care of 90% of the housework. i don't expect a woman to put her career aside just because she's dating me either. if i were to have kids they would be taken care of even in the event of a breakup, so i don't have any issue with that. but paying alimony to my ex who's getting railed by a new dude? no thank you, i'll dodge that bullet. also, where's the v…
/r/PurplePillDebate09/10/25 03:07 AM
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not everyone wants to get married or have kids. a lot of people are also fine to pay child support as long as it goes to their kid.
/r/PurplePillDebate08/10/25 12:56 PM
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if i dated women in my income bracket i would have to settle on other characteristics that are much more important to me. i'd rather date down in terms of finances rather than date down in looks or date up in age etc. - the reality is that pretty much nobody is going to get a partner that is virtually perfect in every single metric. the thought of rejecting an attractive woman with a pleasant personality, no red flags etc. just because she doesn't make enough money sounds kinda ridiculous to me …
/r/PurplePillDebate08/10/25 12:52 PM
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regulation generally decreases the dangers and risks associated with it though. but of course funding something like this with taxes is quite ridiculous.
/r/PurplePillDebate08/10/25 04:43 AM
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that doesn't hold up to data comparing countries with liberal laws on prostitution to the US. in germany for example, men are almost twice as likely to have paid for sex compared to the US. now of course there are other differences between these countries but we're not comparing the middle east to western countries here either. potential legal repercussions and other additional risks like increased safety and health concerns or the social repercussions of getting caught definitely influence peop…
/r/PurplePillDebate08/10/25 04:38 AM
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men in germany, which has very liberal laws on prostitution, are almost twice as likely to have engaged in paid sex compared to american men. legislation matters, especially when it comes to prostitution because it carries a lot of stigma for men who get caught and also because of health and safety concerns related to illegal prostitution in general. i also think that more men would frequent prostitutes if it was 'free', especially because the prices for such services are quite high in the US an…
/r/PurplePillDebate08/10/25 04:27 AM
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yes, traits other than physical attractiveness and youth matter - especially for long-term relationships. most men however are not going to be attracted to a woman's success and intellect by itself if they're not physically attracted to her in the first place. looks get women through the door but in many cases it's other traits that determine whether a guy keeps her around or not. in a lot of cases those traits are more so related to a woman's personality, how pleasant she is to be around and so…
/r/PurplePillDebate07/10/25 08:19 AM
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if you don't think that men get hate for their dating standards then idk what planet you live on honestly. and men aren't out there making tiktoks, listing their dating requirements and having hordes of other men in the comments cheering them on. i don't care what standards women have. they can be as delusional as they want. just don't try and reframe the narrative that there aren't enough good men for all the amazing single women out there if you don't want pushback. the reality is that women l…
/r/PurplePillDebate06/10/25 09:02 PM
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'The money spent on keeping people healthy, educated and employable is paid back several times over in prevention of treating the fallout of the lack of healthcare, education and employability. source? i'm not against rehabilitation in itself but when it comes with democrats lenient on crime policies and letting people who clearly are not rehabilitated roam free on the streets, that's another thing. too many people who should have been in prison were given slaps on the wrists by democrats and ca…
/r/PurplePillDebate05/10/25 12:49 AM
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but that's not what the data actually says. 2.13 million voters sat out the election in the sunbelt states in 2024 compared to 2020, 44% of which are modeled to be democrats and 31.5% republicans (the numbers are even closer for registered voters and we should keep in mind that this is a progressive donor network's model). that means that 266k more democrats chose not to vote this time around compared to republicans. these numbers are not enough to swing the sunbelt which trump won by twice that…
/r/PurplePillDebate05/10/25 12:39 AM
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it's not free if tax payers pay for it. do you think healthcare and education just rain from the sky and the billionaires are gatekeeping it? how exactly is it supposed to be free? too many innocent lives were harmed by people who should have been locked up but weren't and it's because of democrat policies that are lenient on crime. that's a much bigger concern for me (and most reasonable people i'd say).
/r/PurplePillDebate04/10/25 09:22 AM
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i'm not sure you're allowed to link to other subs here but i've read these kind of takes plenty of times when lurking on askwomenover30 and obviously 24/7 on twox. an article on it for example: https://ifstudies.org/blog/where-have-all-the-good-men-gone if you type 'not enough good men' into tiktok/youtube (or reddit) you'll find a bunch of videos and many more comments about this sort of sentiment. alternatively 'where are all the good men'. i don't know how statistically relevant any amount of…
/r/PurplePillDebate04/10/25 09:18 AM
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'Trump won because people who voted Biden abstained from voting for Harris.' source?
/r/PurplePillDebate04/10/25 08:16 AM
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there's no such thing as free healthcare and education. dismantling of the military industrial complex is a tough sell when obama broke records with extra territorial killings by drone strikes and US military spending increasing under biden while social spending decreased. a lot of democrat voters were disenfranchised with the party after gaza as well. the prison reform and being lenient on crime in general has cost innocent people's lives because dangerous individuals were not in prison as a re…
/r/PurplePillDebate04/10/25 08:08 AM
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when the democrats get away from positions like being pro illegal immigration, being lenient on crime in general and overall woke non-sense you might have a point but until then it's a pick your poison situation. it's not like the economy was doing well under biden either and playing weekend at bernie's for the better part of those 4 years cost the democrats a lot of credibility. now you also have political violence from the left and people on that side of the isle justifying it or outright supp…
/r/PurplePillDebate04/10/25 07:52 AM
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virtually every dating related topic in any female centric subreddit has multiple of these takes with dozens, if not hundreds of upvotes. it's all over the female 'dating and lifestyle coaches' content on social media too. i don't think that's most women fwiw, the delulu crowd is just the loudest and the single pool of women does skew towards that demographic - but most women are still in relationships with what i'd assume are mostly good men in their eyes.
/r/PurplePillDebate04/10/25 04:23 AM
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a much smaller one which can be explained by factors like more aggressive salary negotiations and a higher willingness to switch jobs for more pay. it's also quite telling that feminists always cite the unadjusted gender pay gap to oversell the 'issue'. do you have any evidence that this difference is systemic in nature? why would companies do something like that when it's illegal and could cost them millions in fines and legal fees? capitalism only has one allegiance and it's money, not men or …
/r/PurplePillDebate03/10/25 06:18 PM
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this data does not compare people working the same jobs for the same hours fwiw. once adjusted for those variables it's roughly 5%.
/r/PurplePillDebate03/10/25 06:42 AM
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that's a ridiculous false dichotomy. none of my gfs were either of these extremes.
/r/PurplePillDebate02/10/25 05:55 PM
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neither. 1 is a non-starter for me. taking sex off the table, i'd rather be single than in a relationship. i'm also not interested in the STD hazard that is 2. and i'm supposed to be monogamous? lol.
/r/PurplePillDebate02/10/25 05:48 PM
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yet it's women who tend to complain about the people they date not committing, about peter pans, feeling used or reportedly regretting casual sex at much higher frequencies than men. there are also plenty of women who hook up with men for validation. how can casual sex be validating for women if they actually understand that it just means that a guy preferred them over his hand? not every woman really understands how different sexual interest and romantic interest is for men, since women usually…
/r/PurplePillDebate02/10/25 05:43 AM
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it's not even about the video itself. she probably has an inflated self-perception but w/e. the amount of women who came to her defense, calling her gorgeous etc. while insulting men as porn brained losers deluded by instagram hotties because they didn't find her attractive though? kinda telling. when women say that they only see an attractive man once a week it's fine and relatable but when you call a mid woman mid you're the enemy.
/r/PurplePillDebate02/10/25 05:36 AM
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and we can't lie to ourselves with makeup either.
/r/PurplePillDebate02/10/25 12:08 AM
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that sub was specifically made to humble women as far as i know. not very representative either way.
/r/PurplePillDebate02/10/25 12:06 AM
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that's how it works in reality, yes. the question is whether people's perception is in line with this reality though and i would argue that it's not. there are too many anecdotes of women gassing up other women while also talking about a lack of attractive men.
/r/PurplePillDebate02/10/25 12:06 AM
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the 'chopped men epidemic' girl who went viral with her video had hundreds of women defending her too, calling all the men who gave her a reality check incels, losers and so on. the levels of delusion some of these women suffer from are incomprehensible to me. the female in-group bias is ridiculously strong.
/r/PurplePillDebate01/10/25 11:58 PM
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yes, they are in high demand for casual sex. not because they're amazing or desirable but because casual sex is desirable to a lot of men and generally scarce. when it comes to monogamous relationships however, these women aren't anywhere near the top 20% and that's what most women are looking for, at least eventually. it's also what people generally refer to when it comes to 'leagues', dating on your level etc. a lot of women who date casually for an extended period of time have an inflated per…
/r/PurplePillDebate01/10/25 11:48 PM
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the market, aka the collective opposite gender.
/r/PurplePillDebate01/10/25 11:28 PM
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i'm curious, what about the woman he rated a 3 and his female friend rates a 7? personally i don't see men gassing each other up nearly as much as women do. every average chick with makeup and a little bit of fashion sense is a goddess who deserves everything she ever dreamed of, according to some women. the most popular female 'dating and lifestyle coaches' like thewizardliz with her 8.3 million youtube subs are just selling delusion and women eat it up like chocolate ice cream.
/r/PurplePillDebate01/10/25 11:20 PM
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it's one thing to say that it's difficult to find what you're looking for in dating. that's completely understandable, especially since there needs to be mutual desire and interest. it's another thing to label men as inadequate while putting single women on a pedestal in the same breath. of course there will be pushback on that.
/r/PurplePillDebate01/10/25 08:07 AM
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plenty of women complain about loneliness and their dating woes in virtually every female centric space, dating sub or wherever else. but it's true that a lot of men have no standards whatsoever. women would be in for a rude awakening if men weren't so driven by testosterone.
/r/PurplePillDebate01/10/25 07:56 AM
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there are anecdotes for just about anything considering there are 8 billion people on this planet and they're rather useless if not contextualized or backed by a significant sample size. matter of fact is that your husband is an outlier while it's an extremely common experience for women. there are probably dozens of men who'd be happy about a woman they hooked up with leaving right after for every guy who feels used.
/r/PurplePillDebate01/10/25 07:51 AM
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it's a very common narrative in female centric spaces that there aren't enough good men for all the amazing single women out there. when in reality it just boils down to a bunch of average women thinking that they're exceptional. i do agree that men should have higher standards though. i find it embarrassing what some men put up with and settle for just to not be alone. i also think it's fine for women to be picky but just be honest about it: these women are mid and don't want a mid guy. don't c…
/r/PurplePillDebate01/10/25 07:30 AM
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if you don't think that men lower their standards for casual sex then you don't know enough men. or maybe you have a skewed perspective what these women's looksmatches actually are, perhaps because they know how to use makeup. average women definitely have access to above average men for NSA type of arrangements. it's simple supply and demand and i find it hard to believe that you've never seen it because i have plenty of times - from both sides, including my own or my friends' experiences. the …
/r/PurplePillDebate01/10/25 07:19 AM
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in some countries, maybe - like in the middle east. women in let's say romania definitely have choices though.
/r/PurplePillDebate01/10/25 07:08 AM
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sex can have emotional elements for men of course, it just doesn't have to. a lot of men would sleep with women they give zero fucks about on an emotional or personal level, both before and after the act. i'm sure some women can too but it's less common. usually it's women who catch feelings in casual arrangements, it's women who feel used if a guy leaves right after sex and so on. meanwhile i never heard a man complain about a lack of aftercare. men rarely get sad if a woman they find attractiv…
/r/PurplePillDebate30/09/25 09:35 PM
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for women, commitment is the prize (from desirable men). for men, low effort sexual access is the prize (with attractive women). that's in general at least. the reason is rather simple: it's what's more difficult to get for the respective gender. the women who pass the bar for commitment never struggle to get casual sex (no woman does, really), the men who can effortlessly bed attractive women don't struggle with having several of their options wanting commitment.
/r/PurplePillDebate30/09/25 09:13 PM
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personally i just don't like the way so many women spin the narrative that there aren't enough good men for all the amazing single women out there. when in reality most of these women just have inflated egos, are walking red flags in many cases and don't think they have to improve in any way to get the men they desire. they can stay single for all i care, i'm not interested in women like this anyway nor would i want any woman to settle for me or other guys because those relationships are nightma…
/r/PurplePillDebate30/09/25 07:08 PM
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i never said that they're attracted to guys like this because they're drug dealers or scammers or whatever else. it's more so that they overlook those things for other qualities. good women are not immune to this, especially not in their younger years.
/r/PurplePillDebate30/09/25 06:23 AM
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what a catch for the guy. i'm sure that 'grown up' woman has no issues whatsoever and he gets a ready made family! but alas, these men choose their own fate at this point.
/r/PurplePillDebate30/09/25 06:07 AM
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and without a military the US would be getting spit roasted by russia and china.
/r/PurplePillDebate30/09/25 06:04 AM
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that depends almost entirely on the individual. what's delusional for some might be realistic for others. it's if someone's preferences are too far above their own SMV basically.
/r/PurplePillDebate30/09/25 05:57 AM
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but these women sound like skip mes.
/r/PurplePillDebate30/09/25 05:48 AM
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geriatric pregnancy or a potential preference for younger women for other reasons.
/r/PurplePillDebate30/09/25 05:46 AM
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most men can't just replace their gf for a younger model every X years indefinitely even if they wanted to (and a lot of us don't - even those who prefer to date younger when they're single).
/r/PurplePillDebate30/09/25 05:43 AM
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casual/NSA sex is a scarcity for the vast majority of men.
/r/PurplePillDebate30/09/25 05:40 AM
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our own leaders are interested in keeping us divided, not just foreign entities from russia, china or wherever. that's why our own media machine is contributing to the whole ordeal instead of pushing back.
/r/PurplePillDebate29/09/25 10:03 AM
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of course those traits matter, they're just not going to carry you by themselves when you're unattractive. most men are around average looking though and for this demographic personality matters a lot. just because model tier men can get away with shitty personalities or because ugly guys struggle with women regardless of other traits doesn't mean those other traits don't matter. for most people they do.
/r/PurplePillDebate29/09/25 10:00 AM
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men of all attractiveness levels lie to get casual sex, simply because it works. it's just that for most women, highly attractive men are only available for casual sex so the ones they deal with through dating apps for example will be men who often do just that. the ones who don't are not even talking to those women to begin with but average men looking for relationships might.
/r/PurplePillDebate29/09/25 09:56 AM
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dating apps obviously affect people and dating and they affect the people who use them more than the people who don't. so yes, on average women who don't use apps at all are going to be different than those who do. that doesn't mean that you can't run into the same issues offline, because chances are you will. it's just less likely and those issues are not as pronounced. some will disagree because people in general are terrible at conceptualizing large numbers, macro level tendencies, statistics…
/r/PurplePillDebate29/09/25 09:46 AM
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no behavior is universal or absolute. i'm not saying this model is unfulfilling for everybody, i'm saying it is for most women. hell, some people find it fulfilling to live in polycules or go to swinger parties (or in some cases, engage in much more unusual arrangements) but would i ever think about making a thread trying to sell other people on the benefits of such lifestyles? obviously not because they're outliers. they're not for most people and there are specific communities for people who a…
/r/PurplePillDebate28/09/25 07:20 PM
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at this point you just keep reading what you want to read and strawman against it. i literally said that women get into these sort of relationships for various reason but the point is that the end result is the same in this regard - they're on some dude's roster. i have been around the block for too long to pretend that women don't tend to shoot for the most attractive options that are available to them when it comes to casual dating. and these guys are not looking at it as an alternative low-at…
/r/PurplePillDebate28/09/25 07:05 PM
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it does happen at some frequency but it's mostly women who's lives don't end up working out the way they hoped and only when the guys actually have some sort of glow up/end up doing better. also it's more so regrets in relation to breakups rather than thinking about guys who they rejected upfront. i do think that most of the guys who think that the women that never gave them the time of day will end up regretting it are just having revenge fantasies though. having some slightly above average car…
/r/PurplePillDebate28/09/25 06:45 PM
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with young women that's not always the case. some women who make great girlfriends get involved with bad dudes in their younger years because the guy is fun, exciting, attractive, respected, popular, not a pushover etc. and they are too inexperienced to know better or have absent fathers and such. i grew up around several drug dealers fwiw (and other criminals too). the overgeneralization of all women chasing these types of men is not very accurate at all though, especially not to the extreme de…
/r/PurplePillDebate28/09/25 06:40 PM
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some good women go for the bad boy types when they're young due to inexperience, childhood trauma, their parents being in dysfunctional marriages etc. but if they go down that path long enough i tend to agree, they become complete trainwrecks. seen this story start to finish a couple of times.
/r/PurplePillDebate28/09/25 06:34 PM
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everyone who's not chad is a loser then i guess? i know a guy who only does sugar dating because he cba going on dates and all that, even though he can easily attract good looking women. not DMing 'sup' and having women come over level (vast majority of men can't do that regularly ainec) but he's definitely above average, successful and has game. since his time is valuable sugar dating is actually cheaper if you consider the time spent going on dates the same as work. i mean, you do realize that…
/r/PurplePillDebate28/09/25 06:15 PM
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i can see how not wanting a woman who's educated can be about control in many cases. not caring about a woman's career though? disagree. i haven't dated a single woman in my income bracket but i never thought that any of my exes mattered less and always respected them as human beings. a woman's earning potential and financial ambition etc. simply isn't very high on my list compared to other factors - and there's nothing wrong with that imo. just because it's not important to me doesn't mean i th…
/r/PurplePillDebate28/09/25 06:04 PM
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that's not true, breast size and frequent sex matter too!
/r/PurplePillDebate28/09/25 05:58 PM
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lifehack: don't get married and date whoever you want regardless of their socio-economic status.
/r/PurplePillDebate28/09/25 05:54 PM
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i'd rather not marry and date the hot barista i genuinely like instead of either potentially getting taken for a ride in divorce court or settling for women i like less just because they have money. but yeah, the guys who marry women with huge gaps in earning power only have themselves to blame if it blows up in their face. at the very least they should get a solid prenup and be 100% aware of the risks.
/r/PurplePillDebate28/09/25 05:52 PM
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people still bite on windmill's bait? this bimbo obviously got exactly what she deserved. not just nothing but a 500k bill on top of that. trying to get millions for being in a relationship for a year is the most idiotic thing i've ever heard - which is of course exactly why OP posted it. i'm just surprised that no lawyer told her that she ain't getting shit either way because it does not fit the definition of a de facto relationship in NZ. i guess she thought she was freerolling him? even then,…
/r/PurplePillDebate28/09/25 05:07 PM
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i used dating apps plenty to date casually and they're great for that purpose if you get matches. that being said i would never go look for a relationship online and i've been in a handful at this point totaling around 8 years (none of my exes used dating apps either). same for my circle of close friends who are married and have children with good women, they didn't find them online and just used apps for fun. of course people have different preferences but the types of women i would want to inv…
/r/PurplePillDebate28/09/25 12:45 AM
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i never said it was a neutral state, i'm well aware that culture impacts behavior. it's just that the whole 'everything is a social construct' line of thought is complete non-sense too. i never reduced it to just evolutionary wiring, you're just putting words in my mouth at this point. i said there are evolutionary/biological factors as well, meaning i specifically acknowledged culture as an influencing factor too. most women prefer monogamy, a minority doesn't. women are significantly more like…
/r/PurplePillDebate28/09/25 12:26 AM
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i've seen what types of men women get into these low attachment situations with for about 2 decades now and it's generally very attractive/desirable guys. and it's for one very simple and obvious reason: because they can. average women don't have to go for average men if it's just a casual fwb type situation, they'll find plenty of takers. individual women might have different reasons for getting into low investment 'relationships' (some just want to have fun, some want a way to get access to me…
/r/PurplePillDebate28/09/25 12:15 AM
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i'm not a woman so you'd have to ask them why they tend to prefer long-term relationships to FWB type arrangements, especially once they get to their 30s and beyond. i don't think it's just social constructs telling women they have to feel this way, there are probably evolutionary/biological factors associated with it as well. i would assume that women want long-term security, somebody to share their day-to-day lives with, somebody to build a future with and so on. lots of women tend to have reg…
/r/PurplePillDebate27/09/25 08:47 PM
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most women disagree with your premise. they want committed relationships, at least eventually in their lives, for various reasons. emotional attachment is not something women can just turn off at will. nothing against people who prefer this sort of arrangement, i have too in the past. it's just that most people don't want it long-term and in my experience it's especially true for women.
/r/PurplePillDebate27/09/25 08:23 PM
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yes and only a minority of women have used them. the only age demographic that has used dating apps more than not is the 18-29 group and even then it's a tiny majority, not the vast majority.
/r/PurplePillDebate27/09/25 08:07 PM
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source for the vast majority claim? from what i can tell, even in the youngest age demographic it's barely over 50% and most of those don't use dating apps currently. none of my exes ever used dating apps although i'm not from the US. there's a reason why the gender ratio heavily skews male on there.
/r/PurplePillDebate27/09/25 08:31 AM
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people do find relationships on apps of course but that doesn't necessarily mean that it's a great idea. i don't think quality relationship oriented women tend to be on the apps much personally. the vetting process is also a lot more complicated when you deal with complete strangers rather than meeting women through social circles, school, college, hobbies etc.
/r/PurplePillDebate27/09/25 08:26 AM
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but this thread is about 'sluts' which are promiscuous women. there are also a lot of women who conflate these two categories and it's not just on PPD.
/r/PurplePillDebate26/09/25 05:01 PM
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that's not 'men's standards' that's one random guy on reddit without a following. compare that to women like thewizardliz who have millions of listeners and the delusional stuff they preach to women - but somehow that's never painted as 'women's standards' by women, feminists or mainstream narratives.
/r/PurplePillDebate26/09/25 04:58 PM
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some men end up with these women but the vast majority of high status men are not going to marry a porn star. plenty of high profile porn stars end up struggling in dating because of their past, like adriana chechik for example, or end up living some drug fueled zombie lifestyle. even lana rhoades who got knocked up by an NBA player is just his baby momma, not his wife. i don't think you're painting a very accurate overall picture here at all but i don't know many pornstars and their private liv…
/r/PurplePillDebate26/09/25 04:53 PM
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being romantically inexperienced and not having (m)any options is a much bigger obstacle to being in a happy relationship imo. i suspect it's a common demographic of men for the 7 year itch divorces with women who married around the age of 30 or so because of their biological clock and social pressure. guys who pedestalize one woman, don't value themselves/have low self-esteem, who don't understand women and relationships. even the marriages like this that end up 'working out' long-term seem mis…
/r/PurplePillDebate26/09/25 03:42 PM
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guys who are borderline (or actual) incels? sure, they will settle for whatever they can get. beggars can't be chooser after all. there are also plenty of men with options who don't want to marry a woman with too colorful of a past though.
/r/PurplePillDebate26/09/25 02:43 PM
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this idea that enjoying sex and being promiscuous are the same thing really needs to die. there are plenty of women who enjoy sex within committed relationships but aren't interested in having a lot of sexual partners, hooking up with strangers and so on. it's just a false equivalency.
/r/PurplePillDebate26/09/25 02:40 PM
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some women do the same thing. with 8 billion people on the planet, pretty much everything will be hated by some people. most guys definitely don't hate promiscuous women. what's much more common is men not wanting to invest into these women. the guys who actually hate them are either certain religious/conservative types or guys who can't get laid.
/r/PurplePillDebate26/09/25 02:26 PM
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men who are successful with women are not going to care what lvm and modern feminists say about their behavior. how exactly do you enforce a culture like this? shaming as a tool to control male behavior only works on the obedient beta types who bow down to women's opinions as a mating strategy. the people who are 'winning' are not going to change for the sake of the losers just because the losers call them names.
/r/PurplePillDebate25/09/25 06:50 PM
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there are anecdotes for just about anything with 8 billion people on the world. it says virtually nothing about macro level tendencies and patterns. hvm are in low supply and high demand by definition. most women are not going to get commitment from those men, especially not if they're 45, with kids and have tats.
/r/PurplePillDebate25/09/25 06:40 PM
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women with that mindset don't realize how easy it is to replace a piece of furniture.
/r/PurplePillDebate23/09/25 01:47 AM
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you completely dodged the question and failed to show how DV or SA is systemic. which you will keep doing because your take is non-sense that can't be supported by any facts whatsoever. something is only systemic if it is perpetuated by parts of our system in some way. yes, this can look differently than having laws that specifically allow something but i never claimed otherwise, i just didn't list every single possibility. it's interesting that you expand on this without giving a concrete examp…
/r/PurplePillDebate22/09/25 09:43 PM
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there are still significantly more teachers than cops in the US
/r/PurplePillDebate22/09/25 09:36 PM
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correlation vs causation selection bias
/r/PurplePillDebate22/09/25 08:27 PM
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some men do but i fail to see how that is relevant to this discussion. some women are not just talking about being a basic adult as a response to those accusations, they treat it like it's some special part of their personality and mention it completely unprompted.
/r/PurplePillDebate22/09/25 01:48 AM
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the country that i live in doesn't have nearly as many issues with immigration as certain western, central and northern european countries so i'm not really competing with any of them in that sense either way, but some men in other countries do. rich chads are not the only people women date and i'm pretty sure you know this and would argue against that take if it suited your argument in another context. do you think all the men that are coming to europe live their entire lives as incels from tha…
/r/PurplePillDebate22/09/25 01:45 AM
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people have autonomy and free will and women can make it to leadership positions in our society. the fact that most CEOs etc. are men is entirely in line with the basic concepts of meritocracies though and while i'm all for equality of opportunity, i think that forcing equality of outcome is complete non-sense. especially when it's applied in a one-sided matter because i'm pretty sure that not a single feminist (hyperbolically, but close enough tbh) is looking to close the gender gap when it com…
/r/PurplePillDebate22/09/25 01:10 AM
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the life of a cop is substantially more dangerous than that of a teacher, which should of course be financially compensated. teachers also have substantially more vacation time for example. your problem is that you isolate one variable out of an entire equation to prove a point when there are much more complex underlying economic mechanisms at play. supply and demand being a primary one and guess what? a lot less people are willing to risk getting shot compared to working with children and getti…
/r/PurplePillDebate22/09/25 12:57 AM
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the adjusted gender pay gap is somewhere between 1-5% depending on the source, far from the frequently cited 84 cents on the dollar or whatever the figure is. and that number does in fact not compare people who work the same jobs for the same hours. the remaining gap can be explained by factors like men being more aggressive in salary negotiations and more willing to switch jobs/companies for higher pay. companies can get fined for hundreds of thousands of dollars if they are found to discrimina…
/r/PurplePillDebate22/09/25 12:49 AM
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when you respond in a broad fashion without any disclaimer that you're only talking about some of these men when the OP is talking about PPBs as a whole, i think it's fair to assume that you may be generalizing - especially because those guys are not the only ones catching heat in these kind of discussions and plenty of critics do in fact lump them all together. since that wasn't the case, i apologize for the misunderstanding.
/r/PurplePillDebate22/09/25 12:38 AM
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living as a digital nomad is not exactly a lifestyle that's very congruent with settling down. i've still had a few serious relationships during that time but the last one ended because my ex wanted to get married and i didn't. i never made a secret about my lifestyle and the fact that i was only staying in any given country temporarily when i was still travelling all the time. there are some things i regret, it's not like i've never made a mistake but i never tried to convince women that i want…
/r/PurplePillDebate22/09/25 12:31 AM
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this is a naive perspective that primarily focuses on the time shortly before the advent of feminism. even then, in many countries involved in WW2 for example, women still relied on men to protect them, regardless whether or not those men let women be independent. if you look back further, in hunter and gatherer times, women relied on men for survival as well, being sheltered from potential harm by predators, nature and so on. our modern ancestors are hundreds of thousands of years old after all…
/r/PurplePillDebate22/09/25 12:15 AM
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the gender distribution of refugees and asylum seekers in europe is significantly skewed towards males, particularly among younger age groups. how it affects dating is pretty low on my list of why it's not good for european citizens but it still does regardless.
/r/PurplePillDebate22/09/25 12:08 AM
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does her husband to be even know? i think a lot of men have a don't ask don't tell policy because they know the truth might bother them. i consider this a weak mindset but if a guy genuinely doesn't care, that's a different story of course. some men definitely care though and almost every man has a number in mind that he would deem unacceptable.
/r/PurplePillDebate22/09/25 12:05 AM
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'Men and women are exactly the same.' modern liberal delusion knows no ends, i swear.
/r/PurplePillDebate22/09/25 12:02 AM
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that's only really said as a response to someone calling men violent and talking about DV. the strong and independent thing women just tell whoever didn't even ask.
/r/PurplePillDebate21/09/25 11:58 PM
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as opposed to voting left and nothing improving for them? i'm not american but i think leftist policies, particularly when it comes to open border immigration, are infinitely more damaging than anything a conservative party is doing in europe today (and i mean politically relevant parties, not some fringe group nobody votes for and that has no power whatsoever).
/r/PurplePillDebate21/09/25 10:22 PM
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her being funny is not very important to me. it's a plus but there are a lot more important traits imo. i don't think that it's very common for women to be super hilarious either (same for men tbf but more so for women). realistically you can't have it all when it comes to ideal traits in a partner. it's important for me to be able to have a good/fun time together and to make each other smile though. my gf makes me smile all the time with her little quirks and antics but she's not the extroverte…
/r/PurplePillDebate21/09/25 07:05 PM
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unfortunately for liberal women, political affiliations and beliefs don't override fundamental biological wiring that has been shaped over hundreds of thousands of years of evolution. that's really the simple reality of it. it's understandable because women relied on men for survival for a huge portion of human history and the primary evolutionary adaptations in virtually every species are tied to procreation and survival.
/r/PurplePillDebate21/09/25 05:51 AM
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they're not the only examples but offering personal anecdotes that nobody can verify anyway is not going to get me too far in this discussion either - at least these cases are public. for a more normal yet public example there's also guys like this: https://www.youtube.com/@ItsMe_Philippines - or a substantial percentage of the men in age gap relationships who didn't land a hot, young woman in the west because they're losers. i've lived in SEA and LATAM before and while the old, fat loser narrat…
/r/PurplePillDebate21/09/25 05:38 AM
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some women might have legitimate concerns but when you hear the overly generalizing and entirely negative narratives around these topics, this is pretty accurate. it's the same fundamental reason why women cheer on other women's high standards while demonizing men for theirs or why women shame pickmes (who in some cases are just good partners in reciprocal relationships or women with balanced intellectual takes that go against the predominant feminist narratives): women, as a collective, want to…
/r/PurplePillDebate21/09/25 05:29 AM
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some, maybe. in general though, ethics and virtue aren't the panty droppers that some people would want men to believe.
/r/PurplePillDebate21/09/25 05:10 AM
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do you honestly think that women don't want the fortune 500 men who are in age gap relationships? or the A list celebrities who have slept with sex workers? now of course these are rather extreme examples but the narrative that only losers go for younger women, pay for sex or would ever consider dating foreign women is simply detached from reality.
/r/PurplePillDebate21/09/25 05:09 AM
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even if a woman is not interested in a particular demographic of men, it's still in her self-interest to keep the collective 'price' of female companionship and sex as high as possible. i can offer a personal anecdote illustrating this point. i'm a digital nomad turned expat and as such i've dated foreign/non-western women for over a decade. i've talked to my college roommate about some of my experiences and it basically ended up increasing his expectations and standards for women he dates in ce…
/r/PurplePillDebate21/09/25 05:00 AM
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it's incredibly dishonest to pretend that all men who date foreign women are doing the gender swapped version of this to begin with.
/r/PurplePillDebate21/09/25 04:47 AM
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i am talking about being logically consistent when applying the basic principle of 'nobody owes anyone attraction' - not just to oneself, but also to other people who might have preferences one personally disagrees with. it's far from impossible to be logically consistent in this regard.
/r/PurplePillDebate21/09/25 04:46 AM
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i agree and as long as people are logically consistent i don't see an issue. however a lot of people, in this case women and some 'liberal' men, are rather selective when they apply these principles and shame men who prefer women without an extensive sexual history or women who are younger.
/r/PurplePillDebate21/09/25 04:25 AM
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personally i don't think it is a problem but a lot of the women you refer to think it's a problem for men to have preferences regarding a woman's sexual history.
/r/PurplePillDebate21/09/25 04:23 AM
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the same can be said for men not wanting to date promiscuous women, older women, fat women, flat women or whatever else. the issue is that many women are not consistent with their 'logic'.
/r/PurplePillDebate21/09/25 04:21 AM
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i don't think it's a bad thing but i'd say that it's logically inconsistent with the frequently cited claims that a woman's sexual history doesn't matter and that men are insecure for caring about it.
/r/PurplePillDebate21/09/25 04:16 AM
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neither is women earning less when working less hours and in lower income fields. or having fewer women in leadership positions. or women getting assaulted at higher rates for that matter, which is what the guy you quoted responded to.
/r/PurplePillDebate21/09/25 04:13 AM
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maybe some men have more power because they make better decisions? or do we only go with individual accountability when it favors the narrative that women are systemically oppressed? i've heard this before when it comes to college graduates. when women were outnumbered it was a systemic problem that needed fixing, now that men are outnumbered it's a skill issue according to many feminists, despite the realities of DEI practices.
/r/PurplePillDebate21/09/25 04:06 AM
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do you believe it's something that should be changed? if yes, then why? and more importantly, how? isn't it absolutely crucial to consider why and how men have more power and wealth than women in that case?
/r/PurplePillDebate21/09/25 04:03 AM
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then our biology is inherently patriarchal according to the male variability hypothesis. take it up with our creator i guess? personally i don't want DEI hires in important high level positions for the sake of diversity, i prefer a meritocracy - which means it is going to be predominantly men at the top.
/r/PurplePillDebate21/09/25 04:00 AM
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rape and DV are not things that are pushed by our social and political system. as for the other part, i'll just quote my own post from this very thread: women work in lower income fields and work less hours than men. the adjusted gender pay gap (aka comparing apples to apples, not oranges) is generally cited to be somewhere in the low single digit percentages, some sources asserting that it might be as low as 1%. these small differences can be explained by factors like men being more willing to …
/r/PurplePillDebate21/09/25 03:56 AM
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women work in lower income fields and work less hours than men. the adjusted gender pay gap (aka comparing apples to apples, not oranges) is generally cited to be somewhere in the low single digit percentages, some sources asserting that it might be as low as 1%. these small differences can be explained by factors like men being more willing to negotiate salaries or switch jobs/companies. the fact that there are more men in leadership positions and positions of power is contrasted by the fact th…
/r/PurplePillDebate21/09/25 03:47 AM
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the fact that the majority of positions of power are held by men is not problematic in my opinion, because it's only one side of the equation. what about the fact that the majority of homeless people are men, the majority of people who die in war are men, the majority of people who do hard labor jobs are men and so on? you might want to look into the male variability hypothesis which explains why men tend to occupy the extremes of society much more frequently than women. and this is tied to the …
/r/PurplePillDebate21/09/25 03:40 AM
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most men don't - very few men in the west are looking for actual virgins after all. like i said, it's about promiscuity, not about women having sex with men within stable and committed relationships. from an evolutionary standpoint, it makes perfect sense that men would have a natural aversion to invest time and resources into promiscuous women. from a modern perspective, the statistics show that caring about a woman's past is still inherently logical. 'past behavior is the best indicator of fut…
/r/PurplePillDebate21/09/25 01:09 AM
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i answered the question. women have to possess certain traits, good morals and virtues being among them, to attract men of higher socio-economic status and lacking in that area will make it harder (but of course not impossible). since men have different priorities i expanded on other factors, as i don't think that the blanket statement the guy you originally replied to is entirely accurate. the way i understood his post wasn't that hypergamy is inherently immoral (as it wouldn't make sense in th…
/r/PurplePillDebate21/09/25 12:45 AM
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i think some people tend to do this when they go the standard route in life that society prescribed them, aren't particularly happy with it and see people around them doing something different. maybe it makes them question their own life choices or something? i'm not sure to be honest. i had a similar situation with one of my cousins but i wouldn't trade places with him in a million years and i'm too polite to tell him bluntly. some women tend to get offended too when they hear that you don't wa…
/r/PurplePillDebate20/09/25 08:49 PM
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chances are that guy doesn't even want them because he has options and was only attainable for short-term/low commitment type of arrangements to begin with. the most attractive/desirable men 95% of women can attract are not going to be options for a long-term relationship pretty much by definition because men date down for easy access to sex compared to their standards for a LTR.
/r/PurplePillDebate20/09/25 06:26 PM
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honestly, it's been clear to me ever since middle school that girls (and later in life, women) are into guys who are assertive, confident, who don't worship the ground they walk on and value themselves etc. yeah sure, i've heard the 'happy wife happy life' trope as we all have but a passive, submissive pushover doesn't actually make women happy. it's not difficult to figure out what kind of guys get attention and interest from women if you just use your own two eyes during high school and colleg…
/r/PurplePillDebate20/09/25 06:22 PM
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the issue with this data is that women who are in relationships are a completely different demographic than the chronically single online daters for example. yes, assortative mating is an observable reality when it comes to couples and marriages but that doesn't mean that it's representative of how the single pool of women tends to date (and single women are a larger demographic than ever in western countries). for people in the dating pool it doesn't matter that becky married her college sweeth…
/r/PurplePillDebate20/09/25 02:03 PM
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valuable how? i don't enjoy hooking up with random STD hazards either way but if i would, prostitutes would be more cost effective because my time is valuable. does that mean i value them more? idk tbh.
/r/PurplePillDebate20/09/25 01:30 PM
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having sex with men doesn't ruin women. having sex with a lot of different men tends to indicate some sort of damage on the woman's part (emotional baggage, mental health issues) and these women don't tend to make good long-term partners (higher rates of infidelity, lower rates of marital satisfaction). normal, healthy women are rarely highly promiscuous to begin with but the sex positive lib fems don't want to hear that because that's 'judgemental' and patriarchal yada yada.
/r/PurplePillDebate20/09/25 01:15 PM
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that's very true. men with options will reject plenty of women when they look for a serious relationship - they're not going to commit to the first woman who shows them some attention, they have standards and expectations for the women they date (as they should). because everyone is on their best behavior in the early dating stages, it can take a while to figure out whether someone is a potential long-term match or not. some women act like it's supposed to be a first come first serve type of dea…
/r/PurplePillDebate20/09/25 12:55 PM
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i've been friends with (attractive) women in the past who i wouldn't have dated under any circumstances. men aren't necessarily looking for the same personality traits in their female friends compared to romantic partners.
/r/PurplePillDebate20/09/25 12:25 PM
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for a man of higher socio-economic status (who's usually also expected to be attractive, interesting, charming and so on) to commit to a long-term monogamous relationship with a particular woman, that woman has to have certain qualities and add value to a man's life. how that looks like is different from individual to individual of course - for some it can be traditional values, for a lot of men it's looks and a pleasant personality, morals, virtue and so on. the issue i see with a lot of modern…
/r/PurplePillDebate20/09/25 02:28 AM
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female in-group bias is significantly more pronounced than the male equivalent. while it might be a thing in every in-group, the degree of it clearly varies.
/r/PurplePillDebate19/09/25 02:34 PM
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it's a scientific fact that female in-group bias is substantially stronger than the male equivalent. of course that doesn't mean that they never disagree or have no differing views and values (obviously there are conservative and liberal women for example) but still.
/r/PurplePillDebate19/09/25 02:33 PM
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not a single man on the planet thinks the woman in this tiktok is too beautiful too approach fwiw. i don't really approach strangers in general but when i used to in the past, what might have deterred me was not intimidation but rather an educated guess that the woman in question is probably not interested.
/r/PurplePillDebate19/09/25 02:14 PM
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that's just very unrealistic for the vast majority of men though unless you're dealing with very young women who simply haven't had the time to get up those numbers because they were with their high school sweetheart for a couple years or something. the reality is that if she breaks the rules for you, she probably did for a bunch of other men and the women who say stuff like 'i don't usually do this' are full of shit 95%+ of the time.
/r/PurplePillDebate18/09/25 12:19 AM
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i know the difference but it doesn't matter in practice. let me ask you this simple question: statistically, is a promiscuous person more likely to cheat and divorce and less likely to be happy in a long-term marriage? if the answer is yes (and it is) why is it relevant why? especially if that 'why' can't even be answered by any scientifically based source. another question: given this correlation and the absence of any data in your OP substantiating your basic premise - how does your take make …
/r/PurplePillDebate16/09/25 09:17 PM
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in practical terms, it doesn't matter. promiscuity is a liability in a potential long-term monogamous partner on average and the data is clear on that. what exactly all the underlying causes and effects look like doesn't matter from a practical pov, especially not when those factors are unknown.
/r/PurplePillDebate16/09/25 09:14 PM
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correlation doesn't equal causation but for practical intents and purposes, it still makes promiscuous people a worse bet for long-term monogamy on average. so technically you might be right that promiscuous behavior is not necessarily what causes it (although there are no other proven explanations either afaik) but it's not very relevant from a practical pov. a causal effect is extremely difficult to prove from a methodological standpoint in this instance (and many others). it doesn't make the …
/r/PurplePillDebate16/09/25 09:09 PM
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there are studies that show a correlation between the number of premarital sexual partners and higher rates of divorce/infidelity as well as lower rates of marital satisfaction. or higher rates of mental health issues for that matter. correlation doesn't equal causation but for practical intents and purposes, it still makes promiscuous people a worse bet for long-term monogamy on average. whether promiscuity caused those issues or there are some other dynamics at play doesn't really matter - at …
/r/PurplePillDebate16/09/25 09:04 PM
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of course attractive women will still have options and a 'colorful' past is far from a death sentence in the romance department. a lot of men have a 'don't ask don't tell' policy when it comes to this anyway. some genuinely don't care, some know they would and rather not know about it. regardless, a promiscuous reputation is a liability, not an asset on average. to what extent can be argued and will depend a lot on various factors such as location, culture, degree of promiscuity and so on. but o…
/r/PurplePillDebate16/09/25 08:57 PM
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there's no contradiction. women will be the first to say that their worth as human beings is not tied to their ability to attract men. most people in general would agree that people who are less desirable when it comes to dating or relationships are not worth less as individuals. i also think that more men care than women realize. outside of anonymous spaces on the internet, men don't go around and telling women about their preferences in detail - especially not when they will be judged for thos…
/r/PurplePillDebate16/09/25 08:53 PM
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this is just 'men bad' rephrased - essentially an assumption that there are so many more great and amazing women than men. the reality is that average women have plenty of average men to choose from and don't struggle to get into relationships with their equals so to speak. the women who chronically struggle are looking for fiji water because they don't like tap.
/r/PurplePillDebate16/09/25 07:37 PM
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of course there's a difference which is why i pointed it out - but in my experience, most men don't even tell women about their personal preferences in this regard, let alone outright shame them. if anything they tend to pretend to not care about promiscuity at all publicly or at least don't talk about it. shaming in this regard mostly happens on the internet and in very conservative societies, not in the real life western world.
/r/PurplePillDebate16/09/25 07:19 PM
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it's not about losing value as a person, member of society, employee, friend or whatever else. it's about losing value as a single woman on the dating market first and foremost. very few men have a strong preference for promiscuous women when it comes to long-term relationships and a lot more men have a strong aversion to it, so the logical conclusion is rather obvious. this isn't about how things should or shouldn't be, it's just an observation of how things are in objective reality.
/r/PurplePillDebate16/09/25 06:57 PM
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i disagree with this framing that promiscuity equals experience and that women who haven't slept around are inexperienced. if i'm looking for a long-term relationship, a woman who's experienced with long-term relationships will be a much better fit than someone who has experienced a lot of sexual variety. it's experience that's actually valuable and applicable to the dating dynamic i'm looking for while hooking up with random dudes off tinder has no value whatsoever.
/r/PurplePillDebate16/09/25 06:31 PM
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i have some friends who are left leaning and while they don't go around slut shaming women (most men don't) they still care about a woman's past for potential long-term relationships. there's nothing misogynistic about it either.
/r/PurplePillDebate16/09/25 06:25 PM
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somebody posted multiple sources 5 hours before you made this reply yet you conveniently ignored it. so how is anyone with half a brain supposed to take your arguments serious?
/r/PurplePillDebate15/09/25 01:24 AM
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so it should matter for both sexes rather than for neither which is the common mainstream narrative. the issue for women is that promiscuity correlates with desirable traits in men because those traits are required to be able to be promiscuous in the first place. no such correlation for women.
/r/PurplePillDebate15/09/25 01:22 AM
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this will get conveniently ignored because it doesn't fit these people's world views and how they feel things 'should' be. they will keep trying to gaslight men out of perfectly normal, rational and natural preferences that have existed across all kinds of different cultures all over the world instead - and try to shame anyone who doesn't buy into their baseless non-sense
/r/PurplePillDebate15/09/25 01:20 AM
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the number of premarital sexual partners correlates with infidelity, divorce rates and lower rates of marital satisfaction. past behavior is the best indicator of future behavior and anyone who ignores this reality just wants to live in lala land because it makes them feel better.
/r/PurplePillDebate15/09/25 01:15 AM
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a lot of people are not single issue voters and certain republican positions that liberals consider misogynistic are at least debatable in that respect. you could also make an argument that DEI policies are inherently misandrist because they favor women over men (or racist because they favor certain groups over others). also, do you actually think that 45% of american women are misogynistic? or that people who are in favor of stricter immigration policies are inherently xenophobic? slapping thes…
/r/PurplePillDebate15/09/25 01:04 AM
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obviously there's some percentage of men who pretend to be liberal on the apps, mostly to get laid. in general conservative men don't want to marry very liberal women who make their political affiliation their entire personality but liberal women obviously have more liberal attitudes towards things like casual sex. at the very least there are a good chunk of guys who keep certain views to themselves to improve their odds and to cast a wider net - telling women what they want to hear to get what …
/r/PurplePillDebate15/09/25 12:54 AM
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that's pretty simple really: 'Women are responsible for a significant majority of consumer spending decisions and expenditures in the United States. [...] In the US, women are directly or indirectly responsible for up to $17.4 trillion, or 85% of consumer spending.'
/r/PurplePillDebate13/09/25 11:24 PM
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it's not like women were routinely stoned to death in western countries for premarital sex before feminism came along (at the very least not in recent history) and they certainly aren't today. i think that classical feminism still has a place in many places in the world where actual gender-based inequality and injustice persists but that's not what western feminists typically focus on. they mostly want to 'tear down the patriarchy' at home, which really shows how self-centered the whole movement…
/r/PurplePillDebate13/09/25 11:14 PM
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that's missing the point that none of this is about equal rights, which is what feminism was about originally. of course you can try and convince anyone of whatever you wish but to pretend that we 'need' a movement that has the reach and scale of feminism to influence personal opinions and preferences is ridiculous. there will always be people who disagree, especially when there are no compelling and objective arguments against their world view being presented in the first place. on top of that,…
/r/PurplePillDebate13/09/25 11:05 PM
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show me one post where i complained about women being too picky and superficial. oh right, you just made that up, kind of like your previous post. also if this is what you consider an essay i wonder where you went to school.
/r/PurplePillDebate13/09/25 10:53 PM
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and a lot of (female) mainstream voices will call women who want to add to men's lives pickmes who should decenter men while giving men advice on how to be better relationship prospects for women. it's almost like people are looking out for their own self-interest or something crazy like that. the difference is that only one side is a mainstream narrative these days.
/r/PurplePillDebate13/09/25 06:28 PM
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i don't have such expectations, i'm not interested in chad's leftovers to begin with. i do expect to be treated well and to be desired by the women i do date though, not jump through hoops for mediocre and infrequent sex and a lack of reciprocity. that being said plenty of average and below average women out there expect princess treatment from men they don't even qualify for and even more so from guys on their level. and plenty of other women tell them they deserve it, so this is certainly not …
/r/PurplePillDebate13/09/25 04:01 AM
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can you give a longer answer and elaborate in which ways feminism should go further? genuinely interested.
/r/PurplePillDebate13/09/25 03:44 AM
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most men would not leave their aging wives but getting seriously involved with someone after a certain age might be a different story for some (and not just for superficial reasons like looks either). that's far from every man though and plenty of guys date women their age in their 30s, 40s and beyond. there are no statistics whatsoever indicating that most men are how you describe them. but really, what's wrong with having preferences anyway? women are cheered on for high standards and told to …
/r/PurplePillDebate13/09/25 03:40 AM
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so you think feminism is supposed to change people's personal opinions on things like promiscuity? that's ridiculous. where is that kind of 'logic' supposed to stop? does it apply to women's negative opinions of certain male behaviors, preferences etc? telling people what/how to think is not how free societies function.
/r/PurplePillDebate13/09/25 03:20 AM
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whether abortion is a 'basic right' or not is debatable and it's definitely not a right that men have over women whatsoever. men have absolutely no say in this matter - women get to unilaterally decide when it comes to this issue. and by the way, a considerable majority of US states (39) have legal abortion in some form.
/r/PurplePillDebate12/09/25 03:07 PM
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The evidence regarding human monogamy before the advent of agriculture is complex and debated, with no definitive consensus. Some researchers argue that early humans, particularly Homo sapiens, were likely monogamous or practiced pair-bonding, possibly as far back as seven million years ago, driven by evolutionary advantages such as bipedalism, food sharing, and concealed ovulation. Fossil evidence, including reduced sexual dimorphism compared to other primates, is interpreted by some as support…
/r/PurplePillDebate12/09/25 02:57 PM
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i never dated the bimbo archetype outside of a few hookups when i was younger (even then i didn't chase after them) but i wouldn't pick this riley chick either. it is indeed a false dichotomy. she comes off very hyper/overly quirky and despite having travelled a lot myself i don't want a gf who needs entertainment/adventure 24/7. there are more than two types of women in the world.
/r/PurplePillDebate12/09/25 12:21 AM
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most women don't, otherwise there wouldn't be such a disparity between the romantic and sex lives of male virgins and players by definition. the reality is that male promiscuity correlates with desirable traits because those traits are required to be promiscuous in the first place. there is no such correlation for women however.
/r/PurplePillDebate12/09/25 12:07 AM
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if she does it with everyone, it's not a sign. if she does something specifically with/for you, it probably is. what exactly the behavior looks like will vary from one woman to another. all of these social cues are really not that difficult to read if you're properly socialized - something that young people today seem to be lacking. and some of what you described doesn't happen much in the real world either. even bubbly women aren't touchy feely with everyone, especially not every guy and i've n…
/r/PurplePillDebate11/09/25 11:56 PM
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and organized patriarchy existed all over the world, across many different cultures that have never even been in contact with the vast majority of other cultures on the planet. how exactly would you explain that other than fundamental underlying biological wiring? just because it took time to evolve as a social concept doesn't mean that the roots are not tied to our biology.
/r/PurplePillDebate11/09/25 11:39 PM
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sexual attraction is not the same thing as romantic attraction. most guys i know would (and often did) sleep with a lot more women than they would ever be interested in committing to, plenty of which they don't even like. this is perfectly in line with the male biological imperative of 'spreading their seed'. but for the women they take care of and the kids they raise, men want to ensure paternity and promiscuous women have been a terrible bet for that for all of human history. the presence of D…
/r/PurplePillDebate11/09/25 11:36 PM
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isn't this in relation to abortion? men don't have any rights when it comes to abortions. also, is this the whole list on why we need feminism in the west in 2025?
/r/PurplePillDebate11/09/25 11:24 PM
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which rights do women not have that men do?
/r/PurplePillDebate11/09/25 10:01 PM
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some people think the patriarchy boogeyman is behind everything that they don't personally agree with. i can't imagine how delusional one has to be to ignore certain biological realities that have been studied for millennia just because they don't want it to be true.
/r/PurplePillDebate10/09/25 04:30 PM
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today on the delusional 'everything is a social construct' show... some of you people should read a book about human biology and evolution rather than spout these non-sensical takes.
/r/PurplePillDebate10/09/25 04:28 PM
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most women are into masculine men. with 8 billion people on the planet you will find anecdotes for just about anything but generally speaking that's the macro level trend even in the most egalitarian countries in the world. of course not every woman is going to be super into every little detail that's considered masculine. individual preferences are of course a thing but there is a large overlap when it comes to certain traits. women prefer men who are taller rather than shorter, men who make mo…
/r/PurplePillDebate10/09/25 04:23 PM
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most women are not worth it imo, at least in certain parts of the world, but if it's somebody's goal and priority in life you can find one who is. there's always going to be some risk involved but as with many things in life it's about managing risk vs reward.
/r/PurplePillDebate10/09/25 04:20 PM
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why would i care about who men sleep with when i'm into women? it doesn't affect me and i don't think about the sex lives of other men. not only that but most heterosexual men are into women and disgusted by the idea of engaging in anything sexual with men. of course they will view sleeping with women differently. besides that, we're a dimorphic species that values different things in the opposite sex. women are very supportive of their emotional female friends but a man doing that might just gi…
/r/PurplePillDebate10/09/25 04:15 PM
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interesting how societies all over the planet, which are completely different in so many ways, have somehow all evolved in very similar (if not identical) ways in this regard despite not having been in contact with other cultures at all for the vast majority of human history. how exactly do you explain that? i'm not saying that society doesn't reinforce all kinds of beliefs but the root of a lot of it is very much tied to our biology and the way our ancestors have lived.
/r/PurplePillDebate10/09/25 04:12 PM
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that doesn't change the way men feel about promiscuous women. women don't need tall and strong men who make good money in today's world either but many still want them. humans are biologically wired and shaped by evolution to have certain preferences in mate selection. the presence of modern technology doesn't erode how we have lived for hundreds of thousands of years as a species. the reality is that men are not women, especially when it comes to our sexuality. we're a dimorphic species and mak…
/r/PurplePillDebate10/09/25 04:08 PM
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that's extremely hyperbolic but struggling women often don't like their options, maybe go for guys out of their league, obviously fail over and over and look for any advice that doesn't boil down to settling for their equal in the dating market. it's not always about looks either, there are plenty of attractive women who most desirable men would consider completely undatable long-term.
/r/PurplePillDebate07/09/25 11:00 AM
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the question is dropping out of what? of course guy who have it easy in dating will rarely opt out of it because they still enjoy getting laid and female validation in general for example. i do think that more desirable men nowadays are increasingly opting out of serious relationships, long-term commitment and especially marriage though (compared to the past), although it's not a very significant number on a macro level at this point. in general, of course men who struggle with women are much mo…
/r/PurplePillDebate07/09/25 10:59 AM
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judging somebody for their behavior and decisions, past or present, is just normal - and most people do it in various different ways. it's just that a lot of people like to draw rather arbitrary lines on what others should or shouldn't be able to have opinions on. you'll hear the same women who judge men for dating younger women turn around and complain about slut shaming for example but that's not how things work in a free society. past behavior is the best indicator of future behavior and ther…
/r/PurplePillDebate07/09/25 10:42 AM
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people voluntarily moving to another country out of their own free will and women choosing western men over their local options (out of self-interest) is not human trafficking though. human trafficking is the use of force, fraud, or coercion to obtain some type of labor or commercial sex act. but of course some people will try to spin the narrative, using all kinds of terms and shaming language when something doesn't benefit them but rather puts them at a disadvantage.
/r/PurplePillDebate07/09/25 10:36 AM
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i'm not even from the US, i'm from europe and i said western, not american men. it's also not just about financial status but also about western values, especially when it comes to gender equality, women's rights and so on. even men from more developed countries in eastern europe (which is where i live fwiw) are not all that interested american/british etc. women to put it mildly. western women by and large prefer western men for both of these reasons. of course the primary focus is on developin…
/r/PurplePillDebate07/09/25 10:32 AM
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those are the women who are in relationships and i generally agree. single women who are dating, often on dating apps, are not the same demographic though - and that's who single men are dealing with, not the girl who's in a relationship with her college boyfriend or w/e. when women are chronically single but actively dating (and the dating pool, especially on apps, is skewed towards that demographic) they're usually not going for guys on their level and don't have reasonable expectations, other…
/r/PurplePillDebate07/09/25 09:46 AM
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the adjusted gender pay gap is somewhere in the low single digit percentages (some sources citing as low as 1%) which can be explained by factors like men being more willing to ask for raises or switch companies for example. there's also a scientific explanation (the male variability hypothesis) for more men in top positions like CEOs (which can be applied to the opposite extreme, like more men being homeless, inmates, working hard labor jobs and so on). the non-sense 84 cents on the dollar figu…
/r/PurplePillDebate06/09/25 08:57 PM
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i don't think the 2000-2500 people who stormed the capitol are representative of the dozens of millions of people who voted for trump, if that's what you're referring to.
/r/PurplePillDebate06/09/25 08:37 PM
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more feminine, lower body count, less entitlement/one-sided expectations, less weight, fewer single moms and political activists types, less tattoos and piercings, more reasonable standards, less cheating/multi-dating, less drinking/general party girl traits, less mental health issues and misandry. those are things that many men who complain about dating tend to mention.
/r/PurplePillDebate06/09/25 07:56 PM
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not the chronically single online daters, otherwise they would mostly be in relationships. there's a reason why people invented a whole new term (situationships). the single dating pool is unfortunately skewed towards this archetype, especially online. a lot of these women have very distorted views on who their looksmatch is.
/r/PurplePillDebate06/09/25 07:48 PM
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if you're desirable, you don't have to chase. if you're not, the effort to reward ratio is not very favorable at all. besides that, i think a lot of men are fed up with supposedly feminist women upholding gender norms that benefit them. testosterone levels decreasing and porn are other factors influencing this decrease. we also have an overcorrection stemming from #metoo but it's a genuine concern to not be perceived as a creep for most men. third spaces and social interactions are down in gener…
/r/PurplePillDebate06/09/25 07:41 PM
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ask any AI and it will give you numerous source, including government data. here's one: The available data suggests that marriages between American men and foreign women, particularly those arranged through international marriage services, often have lower divorce rates compared to marriages between two American citizens. One source citing the United States Citizenship and Immigration Services (USCIS) reported that approximately 80% of marriages arranged through mail-order bride services have la…
/r/PurplePillDebate06/09/25 07:29 PM
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you'll have to go abroad or bring a woman over on a K1 visa and marry her. the government will never implement something that will royally piss off western women in 2025 to this degree. especially not with the general anti-immigration stance that already exists in the republican party.
/r/PurplePillDebate06/09/25 07:13 PM
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they become more like it but many immigrants are proud of their heritage and still have traditional values. i have 2nd gen immigrant friends who i grew up with and who are pretty western/modern in a lot of ways. yet you know who they married? virgins from their own culture. of course they're not representative of immigrants as a whole but this isn't uncommon in muslim and indian circles either. from what i've seen (and i grew up in an area with 60%+ immigrants) views on women, egalitarian relati…
/r/PurplePillDebate06/09/25 07:07 PM
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men in general tend to be attracted to slim and feminine women with family values and care less about socio-economic status than women do. women however don't want to date down economically, certainly not to the degree of importing men from 3rd world countries. they also don't want men who are less egalitarian than western men. on a global scale, western men are the most desirable men to women, especially western women. there's also data that shows white men receiving the most likes and matches …
/r/PurplePillDebate06/09/25 06:57 PM
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i mean it's not the first time i got downvoted here of course, i don't really care about that in itself. it's just that the level of delusion one must be suffering from to deny objective reality like men being biologically advantaged in sports is still somewhat unfathomable to me.
/r/PurplePillDebate05/09/25 07:08 PM
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most homeless people are men. most people who self-delete are men. most inmates are men. most people who work hard manual labor jobs are men. most people who die in war are men. most drug addicts are men. people in leadership and executive positions are not the top 10% but rather a fraction of that so not sure why you chose that number when it's completely irrelevant to what i said. there are multiple reasons why women earn less than men on average - a major one being that women work more part t…
/r/PurplePillDebate05/09/25 06:55 PM
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why is what so? why women can't compete with men? biology. why people want to watch excellence? it's more interesting/impressive. /e: i wonder how delusional one must be to downvote this. the modern notion of equality which has been propagated over the last few decades really fried some people's brains.
/r/PurplePillDebate05/09/25 06:02 PM
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in regards to your fifth point, plenty of feminists in mainstream media are claiming sexual discrimination and demand higher salaries for female athletes rather than promoting women's sports to try and close the gap (which is never going to happen anyway). the reason it's in less demand is obvious, it's the very same reason we segregate sports by sex to begin with: women can't compete with men on an athletic level and adult female top-level professionals frequently get steamrolled by even male t…
/r/PurplePillDebate05/09/25 05:46 PM
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people are primarily acting in their own self-interest and they will take and interpret information in a way that is suitable for this purpose. on top of that, privilege is invisible to those who have it and a lot of people also don't have the intellectual capabilities or knowledge to understand certain concepts in the first place. for example, feminists push for more women in leadership positions but completely overlook the fact that the disparity we have in those areas is completely in line wi…
/r/PurplePillDebate05/09/25 05:42 PM
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as if every immigrant (or any number even close to that) is going to die in a war torn country if they don't get to move to europe. some of the countries these migrants are coming from aren't even in that predicament at all (like algeria or morrocco for example). it's not islamophobic to present uncomfortable facts, especially when i didn't even mention religion but rather focused on culture. it is however a leftist debating tactic to make such claims, to shut down opinions they don't like. that…
/r/PurplePillDebate05/09/25 05:11 PM
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i lived as a digital nomad for almost a decade. i'm more of an expat now i guess and don't travel as much but i doubt i'll stay where i am for the rest of my life either.
/r/PurplePillDebate05/09/25 04:57 PM
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most people don't start balding as a teenager, what a non-sense take. you keep mentioning anecdotes that are not representative of general macro level trends to somehow make a point. there is anecdotal evidence of just about anything, that's why it's worthless without enough data points. i'm not gen-z btw, i'm barely on my phone, i only scroll social media when i have downtime while working and i have plenty of life experience and no issues interacting with women. but of course you'll run with a…
/r/PurplePillDebate05/09/25 04:53 PM
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when there are much more guys like you compared to women who like them, it really isn't that simple.
/r/PurplePillDebate05/09/25 04:50 PM
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i've been around plenty of nerdy guys throughout high school and college and it's just objective reality, not some wild baseless assumption. with takes like these i'm seriously wondering whether y'all been homeschooled or something.
/r/PurplePillDebate05/09/25 04:49 PM
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do you think the guys you're referencing are just born that way? it's not about appeasement, it's about having a platform that values these men and offers them something before they even get to that point. the democrats massively failed on this front. i don't have a horse in this race but the political tribalism in the US that has been created by a highly polarized two party system is just textbook divide and conquer at this point - while the elites are sitting back and sipping champagne paid by…
/r/PurplePillDebate05/09/25 04:46 PM
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for a lot of women financial aspects are certainly part of it as we have data on the importance of socio-economic status in mate selection for women. that being said, being on equal financial footing (or better) is not the same thing as women expecting 200$ dinners for a first date and a guy to pay all their bills. most women don't operate that way, although the above average looking, yet chronically single demographic of online dating women is more skewed towards this extreme.
/r/PurplePillDebate05/09/25 04:40 PM
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fun has a dictionary definition that i'll take over your interpretation of supposedly coded language. just because somebody would rather deal with women (or men for that matter) who aren't bitter and jaded doesn't mean they're looking to take advantage of them. i specifically made the distinction in this regard to explain how it depends yet it somehow went over your head.
/r/PurplePillDebate05/09/25 04:37 PM
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a lot of women would gladly choose the alpha fucks guy for relationships too, they just don't get to. he's the one who chooses not to commit. it's mostly women who complain about lack of commitment and situationships, being used for sex and so on after all. the effort required for a relationship can vary greatly for both men and women. dancing monkey refers to situations where men are expected to do unreasonable amounts of work while the woman gets to sit back and just be herself. it's an unequa…
/r/PurplePillDebate05/09/25 04:25 PM
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not in the exact same way but there is a lot of overlap. a quick answer from brave's ai on this: Based on simulation data, the average male user on dating apps receives only one like per day, and the median male user receives no matches at all. This indicates that a significant portion of men receive almost no matches. The simulation suggests that the typical male user only obtains one like and no matches, while the top 10% of men receive significantly more attention, averaging 37 likes. This di…
/r/PurplePillDebate05/09/25 04:08 PM
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a lot of this 'everyone has baggage' talk is completely overlooking the amount and origin of said baggage. i don't mind dating a woman who's had a long-term relationship go sour somewhere along the way but i'm not going to deal with women who've never been in healthy relationships but have a bunch of hookups and situationships on their resume. general negative life experiences with friends, family, career and so on are also a lot more acceptable and understandable to me and usually not what peop…
/r/PurplePillDebate05/09/25 04:01 PM
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i think when people talk about baggage in the context of dating it's mostly in regards to baggage from previous partners, situationships and so on. the extent of it also varies a lot from person to person. people who have been cheated on, been in toxic relationships and so on are obviously going to have a lot more issues in that regard than people who haven't. and i disagree with the framing of your last point. what if i'm emotionally equipped to deal with it but i simply don't want to? it's not…
/r/PurplePillDebate05/09/25 03:54 PM
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and it doesn't negatively affect a relationship, at least not inherently. it's just common sense.
/r/PurplePillDebate05/09/25 03:46 PM
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i already know that i'm not doing those things, i don't need a woman telling me. and no, i don't want to prove anyone wrong, i'd rather be with someone where that's not necessary in the first place. you know, someone with a healthy view of men and relationships, who's dating experience comes from long-term committed relationships rather than situationships and hookups with dudes that don't give a fuck about her - because that experience will actually be valuable instead of destructive.
/r/PurplePillDebate05/09/25 03:44 PM
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that's assuming the woman in question is handling her baggage in a healthy manner and/or doesn't have excessive baggage to begin with. what's in it for men to choose a woman who's been in situationships left and right, has chosen abusive men and so on compared to being with somebody who's been in a couple long-term relationships that were mostly healthy? that's right, nothing.
/r/PurplePillDebate05/09/25 03:39 PM
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that depends. if a woman goes on to date abusive men, of course it will be better to have her guard up. but if she's in a relationship with a good and caring guy who treats her well, why wouldn't it be better for her to be more fun and trusting and less bitter and jaded? either way, people act mostly based on their own self-interest, including women. everyone has some baggage of course but the degree varies a lot and baggage from the opposite sex is going to affect relationships differently than…
/r/PurplePillDebate05/09/25 03:35 PM
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that's a very reasonable take and i would think that most people would agree with that. i certainly do, however that's not always where it ends. of course social media is full of rage bait that basically exists for clicks and engagement but you still have thousands of women commenting on, upvoting and agreeing with takes like i referred to. and on the other side you'll have chronically online guys hearing it and thinking that's what women mean when they say they want guys who add to their lives.…
/r/PurplePillDebate04/09/25 09:24 PM
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i work from home but even my corporate friends who wear suits 5 days a week don't extend those fashion 'choices' to their private lives. the social success aspect is largely tied to women as well ime. men don't really care if the guy they socialize with is wearing sweatpants and a hoodie unless it's in an upscale establishment. as for the other part, kudos for being consistent and i agree. it's just the social norms and narratives these days don't, because of an overcorrection that's tied to a t…
/r/PurplePillDebate04/09/25 09:12 PM
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what part of those guys still getting to vote do you not get? pragmatism is such a foreign concept to you political ideologues. perhaps the democrats wouldn't have lost this election in the first place if they truly understood it but instead you can now virtue signal to your liberal friends on facebook about how much you hate ICE and how overturning roe v wade is straight out of the nazi playbook.
/r/PurplePillDebate04/09/25 09:07 PM
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of course it happened. i'm not saying it's not a talking point at all, especially with gaza now, but ultimately the democrats are just as pro israel as the republicans. in fact plenty of voters became disillusioned with the democrats because of how this very war was handled under biden. the use of drone strikes for extraterritorial executions was vastly expanded under obama, the democrats poster child of the recent decades, to name another example. and then you have nancy pelosi with her 'financ…
/r/PurplePillDebate04/09/25 08:58 PM
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i'm not knocking it but it's not for everyone or even a lot of people. neither is my own lifestyle but i also don't make posts presenting it like it is.
/r/PurplePillDebate04/09/25 08:38 PM
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no woman i know is into any of the guys from the big bang theory or superbad. not just into them in particular but into guys like them. and that's what the guy you replied to is saying - when women talk about being into a nerdy guy it's more likely to be a handsome/tall dude with glasses who's smart but also has good social skills. not the much more common type that looks very different.
/r/PurplePillDebate04/09/25 08:30 PM
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coulda shoulda woulda. most people meet their spouse in their 20s and most people weigh less and have more hair in their 20s compared to years or decades later.
/r/PurplePillDebate04/09/25 08:27 PM
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with 8 billion people in the world there will always be some women who like something. when it comes to discussions like this people look at broader tendencies on a macro level rather than at individual anecdotes. not saying this in regards to facial hair necessarily but rather in general.
/r/PurplePillDebate04/09/25 08:25 PM
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first of all, how exactly do you diversify your preferences? the way i see it, my preferences are what they are, i can't really change them by snapping my fingers. some of my preferences have been around ever since i started noticing the opposite sex over two decades ago. also 'nerds aren't unattractive, it's just that certain behavioral patterns that are disproportionally common within that demographic are' isn't a great argument imo. most 'soft boys' i've seen throughout my life were stuck som…
/r/PurplePillDebate04/09/25 08:22 PM
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the last part is very true. i've been happily single in the past, i have friends who have been and you know what we never did? talk about it all the damn time, let alone make it our whole freaking personality. or talk shit about women 24/7 and tell other guys how relationships are not worth it yada yada. a lot of these 'single by choice' women are single by the choice of the men they desire, not their own.
/r/PurplePillDebate04/09/25 08:10 PM
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i think fundamentally almost everyone wants to make their partner's life better in some way, even if it's just out of self-interest. the question is how that actually looks like in reality and what sort of expectations are tied to it. how much better does a man have to make a woman's life exactly? the devil is in the details with this one i think because this can look vastly different from one woman to another. there are women out there proudly proclaiming that because their dad gives them free …
/r/PurplePillDebate04/09/25 08:03 PM
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i'm on this sub and i've been getting laid since i was a teenager, but of course all the men here are incel losers and all the women happily married and based i guess. besides, what do men who want to be married have to do with those who don't? take a look at the waitingtowed sub and count how many women you see complaining about their boyfriend (who's obviously getting laid) dragging his feet when it comes to marriage in comparison to threads/posts by men. most people in general still get marri…
/r/PurplePillDebate04/09/25 07:53 PM
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first of all that doesn't mean they don't hold some beliefs that are typically associated with the red pill. i've heard guys who got laid all the time in the early 2000s, before the manosphere stuff blew up, talk about 'recreational use only', all women are X, spinning plates, calling stepdads cucks etc. besides that, i also disagree with your premise. most guys have heard about andrew tate, maybe read an article about something related to the red pill somewhere, had some red pill content slip i…
/r/PurplePillDebate04/09/25 07:47 PM
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just because some men of a certain demographic have a particular opinion doesn't mean the demographic as a whole functions as a hive mind where everyone shares said opinion. sexually successful men can still be aware of the metrics that lead to their success, they still see the circumstances of other men and can relate to it on some level even if they never went through it themselves, they have dealt with women plenty and experienced some things red pillers talk about first hand, like monkey bra…
/r/PurplePillDebate04/09/25 07:40 PM
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and you think that's the only demographic of men that doesn't want to get married anymore?
/r/PurplePillDebate04/09/25 07:25 PM
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'Most middle class women in big cities dont even have marriage in their top ten priorities' citation needed. besides, nobody is inherently at the mercy of another person, unable to provide for themselves in a marriage and so on. either way, most women still want to be in relationships and get married and don't want to end up as an old spinster with cats. women still push men towards marriage much more than vice-versa. of course women won't really care about men they don't want not wanting to mar…
/r/PurplePillDebate04/09/25 07:22 PM
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what do you think red pilled means? a lot of the guys i grew up around who were plenty successful with women had some pretty red pilled takes before the whole thing blew up on the internet. the idea that sexually successful men = blue pilled and incels = red pilled is what doesn't make any sense.
/r/PurplePillDebate04/09/25 07:12 PM
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that's extremely reductive. of course messaging, policies and so on will have impact on voters, regardless if it comes from the left or the right. not everything is set in stone and entirely determined by your upbringing and specific circumstances, at least not for most people. i live in europe but i'm an immigrant who grew up with non-religious parents in a big city and the left has completely lost me when they shifted their focus from pro worker, anti war, government critical talking points to…
/r/PurplePillDebate04/09/25 06:49 PM
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part of this left wing 'progress' in europe entails importing masses of men from highly patriarchal and regressive countries/cultures who have little respect for western progressive values, women's right and so on. they tend to vote left because of immigration and welfare policies but culturally i don't see much going forward over the next couple decades here.
/r/PurplePillDebate04/09/25 06:43 PM
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i mean, you do you but don't you think that this type of mindset is a catalyst to more men shifting towards the right? like, don't people on the left want to win elections? because from the outside, based on their actions and rhetoric, it kinda doesn't seem so. if republicans are this evil force according to your world view, don't you want to actually beat them politically and reduce their power? or is it just more satisfying to tell certain men to go f themselves?
/r/PurplePillDebate04/09/25 06:38 PM
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it's pretty ironic that the same feminist women who lecture men on the dangers of the manosphere and misogyny vote to import men from regressive third world countries and cultures - people who tend to have a lot less respect for western values, especially the freedom and autonomy of women and abuse or commit crimes against them at rates far higher than the local male population. major leopards ate my face moment coming up for women in the UK, france, germany etc.
/r/PurplePillDebate04/09/25 01:03 PM
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british teenage boys are far from the number one threat in the UK these days and talking about some of the actual issues will get you a knock on the door by police for hatespeech. markers of a failed state.
/r/PurplePillDebate04/09/25 12:59 PM
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leo is just one example and i'm pretty sure you call men who date younger creeps, not just immature. not all young women are immature either - even my college gf would have given most 30+ women in the dating pool today a run for their money in this regard.
/r/PurplePillDebate04/09/25 06:20 AM
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get over your insulting men for normal preferences. i don't care about bitter older women but it's clear that women generally want dating to be on their terms and it's not just in regards to age gaps as i've mentioned. people should get over the idea that female standards are the moral baseline while men are creepy, misogynistic, predatory etc. because we operate differently.
/r/PurplePillDebate04/09/25 06:12 AM
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the post you responded to specifically mentioned bragging and the women who do just that though.
/r/PurplePillDebate04/09/25 06:10 AM
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great way to admit you're wrong and don't know wtf you're talking about.
/r/PurplePillDebate04/09/25 06:07 AM
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i'm not bitter and doing just fine in life in general. and yes, being the best version of yourself is something that's valuable beyond attracting women. your OP however is focusing on that aspect primarily and some of the things you mentioned are not things that men tend to do for themselves or that have some inherent benefit tied to them beyond attracting women (like fashion for example). a lot of guys also do have hobbies but they're not hobbies or passions that are particularly attractive to …
/r/PurplePillDebate04/09/25 06:04 AM
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casual sex is not fulfilling to most women. at least not as fulfilling as in a relationship, especially not as a long-term solution.
/r/PurplePillDebate04/09/25 05:47 AM
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i mean, isn't it still the same today though? aren't popular kids/young adults generally dating? doesn't validation from the opposite sex still carry a lot of social status, even for older people? aren't the people who don't date still skewed towards being more awkward, less popular and so on? i have some teenage nieces and nephews and it doesn't seem that different from when i grew up in this regard. i don't think any of that necessarily goes to the extent of what OP described though. i also we…
/r/PurplePillDebate04/09/25 05:39 AM
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i question this too. i'm not from the US but i grew up in western/central europe as a millennial and i haven't really seen this. of course young women want to be desired romantically (they still do today and always will) but the social pressure described in OP is not something i ever noticed. the difference was that people dated in their social circle, everybody was somewhat aware where they stood in the hierarchy of desirability, situationships with people who are practically strangers were a l…
/r/PurplePillDebate04/09/25 05:20 AM
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people in relationships have significantly more sex than single people and young people today are more single than pretty much ever. that doesn't mean that women are having less casual sex though - in fact the data on that is mixed with some self-reported statistics showing that gen-z has more lifetime sexual partners than millennials despite having had significantly less time to 'up those numbers' so to speak. just ask the trusted AI of your choice if you want a quick glimpse into the subject. …
/r/PurplePillDebate04/09/25 05:08 AM
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these stats on marriage are unscientific garbage for at least two reasons, but likely more than that. at least when it comes to the conclusions that people generally draw from it excluding divorced people from the marriage sample (unless they're already remarried) largely removes the single biggest risk (both in terms of probability and potential impact) from the equation and skews the data for obvious reasons - especially because the outcomes from those divorces drag down the bachelor statistic…
/r/PurplePillDebate04/09/25 04:52 AM
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little bit of column a, little bit of column b. there's no singular reason that has caused the shift in dating dynamics over recent decades and it's incredibly dishonest (or naive) to pretend that online dating/social media didn't change the game. like, nobody heard the term situationship a decade ago and women didn't complain about a lack of commitment nearly as much today. clearly there are a lot of women on the apps who are going for men they don't qualify for long-term and they're not doing …
/r/PurplePillDebate04/09/25 04:26 AM
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what exactly does 'don't like' entail here? do you think that men who simply don't date single moms fall into one of these two categories too?
/r/PurplePillDebate04/09/25 03:59 AM
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some gyms hand them out like candy. plenty of black belts are nowhere near at the level they should be.
/r/PurplePillDebate03/09/25 07:01 AM
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and at the end of that rainbow an average woman is waiting for you. isn't that a great incentive?
/r/PurplePillDebate03/09/25 07:00 AM
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it's a tough sell to tell men to endlessly improve when women are told to decenter men, not care about male preferences, just be themselves and so on in the same breath. a lot of/most single women i come across are honestly not even worth the level of effort they expect.
/r/PurplePillDebate03/09/25 06:58 AM
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i also don't think that people have as much influence on changing their personality as is stated in this OP. sure, you can change some things but going from socially awkward, perhaps neurodivergent guy to charming social butterfly isn't just a simple decision one makes. if it was, guys wouldn't be socially awkward to begin with for the most part.
/r/PurplePillDebate03/09/25 06:55 AM
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you don't have a source for your claims either.
/r/PurplePillDebate03/09/25 06:53 AM
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there's a big difference between very young women and children and not every prostitute is trafficked either. there is absolutely no data whatsoever that's in line with your original claim that most passport bros or sex tourists are going after children. and quite frankly, having been to thailand, you are off by a factor of multiple magnitudes here. most sex tourism that's happening there is in mainstream establishments in red light districts with strict age controls these days. what you describ…
/r/PurplePillDebate03/09/25 06:40 AM
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citation needed.
/r/PurplePillDebate03/09/25 06:35 AM
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if you've never seen the fridge protecting the snack even though the girl a guy is talking to seems interested then idk what to tell ya but it does definitely happen.
/r/PurplePillDebate03/09/25 06:23 AM
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i think most women who have had those experiences have had more, equally awful, relationships with men their age. somehow that one age gap relationship is singled out and used as some sort of argument against age gaps when the broader pattern is a woman dating losers and abusers because her picker is broken (for whatever reason).
/r/PurplePillDebate03/09/25 06:22 AM
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would they brag about it then? probably not. women who do are pretty delusional honestly. hooking up with younger men isn't difficult at all and says virtually nothing about a woman's level of desirability.
/r/PurplePillDebate03/09/25 06:17 AM
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the question is for how long you attract those guys and with what level of commitment. getting sexual attention as a woman of any age is not a flex at all. it's just normal.
/r/PurplePillDebate03/09/25 06:12 AM
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men tend to mostly understand this nowadays but the 'emotionally intelligent' and empathetic gender often somehow views their own desires as some sort of moral baseline for everyone. it's female solipsism, in-group bias and the women are wonderful effect at work.
/r/PurplePillDebate03/09/25 06:08 AM
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of course women don't want to lose any leverage or privilege they have. nobody does, really. plenty of women shame men for their preferences while cheering on women for their superficial or materialistic standards. it's transparent and doesn't really need more consideration than that. i'm sure some women have valid concerns over certain age gap relationships but when you hear the overly generalizing takes or examples like a 41 year old dating someone who's 29 being somehow demonized, you know wh…
/r/PurplePillDebate03/09/25 05:59 AM
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your bias is showing by referring to men who date younger as manchildren to begin with. you think guys in the forbes 500 or A list celebrities are all man children who can't hack it with women their age too? this narrative is just so out of touch with reality and overly generalizing. a preference for younger women doesn't make a man immature, morally bankrupt, or whatever else some of you might want to attribute to it.
/r/PurplePillDebate03/09/25 05:38 AM
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'equality is a problem when it takes away my privileges' i mean, i know you're just trolling as usual but maybe put in a bit more effort to make it believable.
/r/PurplePillDebate02/09/25 03:37 PM
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so if those places want to make money they will have to charge the women. this is also pretty much in contrast to your original point which was that women bring in men.
/r/PurplePillDebate02/09/25 03:36 PM
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men tend to value freedom more than women while women tend to value security more than men in my experience. women also operate on a stricter timeline when it comes to having a family, so of course they will feel the pressure of a ticking clock more. i also think that women lose leverage over men as they age (it's at an alltime high in their 20s), so logically it would make sense to 'lock it down' if they don't want to be single in general. by the way, as far as i know the study that's frequentl…
/r/PurplePillDebate02/09/25 03:15 PM
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sex tourism involves directly paying for sex abroad, in a sort of quid pro quo arrangement. dating in another country is not sex tourism and if you think it is i think you should consult the oxford dictionary. what about guys who travel for the purpose of traveling itself and who happen to go on dates/hook up with some local women? is that sex tourism in your eyes? like, is it all about intent?
/r/PurplePillDebate02/09/25 02:54 PM
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is that the only difference between the US and certain developing countries? the answer is obviously no. the culture is different, most western men's SMV is higher and the average BMI is lower, just to name some examples. you're cherry picking one variable and drawing the conclusion that it's the reason why men date abroad.
/r/PurplePillDebate02/09/25 02:49 PM
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that's honestly such a ridiculous statement. even if you exclusively look at sex tourists, the vast majority of them is not looking for child prostitutes. it's a small fraction that deserves every bit of condemnation and more but it's certainly not the majority of any demographic.
/r/PurplePillDebate02/09/25 02:47 PM
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even if you look at the most financially desperate women in 3rd world countries, would they be better off living in poverty than being 'exploited' by a western man? if they choose the latter over the former, isn't it a mutually beneficial relationship? or is a wealthy man who dates a waitress in the west exploiting her by definition? i also think that your first statement is overly generalizing. it does apply to a decent chunk but it's not inherent to the demographic as a whole. the reality is t…
/r/PurplePillDebate02/09/25 02:42 PM
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i've dated women from developing countries before and ime the 'magical thinking' is real to some degree. some women simply seek more egalitarian relationships and don't want to deal with the machismo prevalent in LATAM for example. a guy who's short in one place might be average or even tall in another. the ratio of attractive or at least thin women is better in most countries when you're from the US. family values and being a good husband is valued more in certain cultures than in others (where…
/r/PurplePillDebate02/09/25 02:36 PM
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first of all, your SMV goes up a lot if you go to a 3rd world country as a western man. locals are shorter, make a lot less money, you might get bonus points for being exotic and some women look for more egalitarian partners than their local men. on top of that, the cultural values are different. being a spinster, going from situationship to situationship, being single after a certain age, not having a family etc. - this type of lifestyle is not something a lot of these women would find acceptab…
/r/PurplePillDebate02/09/25 02:20 PM
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that doesn't describe all of them though. the ones you mentioned stick out like a sore thumb and will be noticed much more and i'm not going to lie, a lot of men fit that description especially around SEA which attracts a lot of sex tourists anyway (so not really PBBs). i lived as a digital nomad for the better part of a decade, including places in SEA, EE and LATAM which are the most popular destinations to date abroad for men, generally speaking. i met a lot of travelers, expats, guys who date…
/r/PurplePillDebate02/09/25 02:15 PM
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'You should be orienting your life and decisions around women and ensuring you are the highest quality man possible for them.' meanwhile women are told to decenter men and do whatever they want, especially if they struggle romantically. i don't think complaining is very productive but i don't think most women are worth anywhere near that effort either and a lot of men agree and would rather be single. women who are actually worth dating long-term don't require doing most of this stuff anyway. mo…
/r/PurplePillDebate01/09/25 03:35 PM
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people change. the woman/man you divorce often isn't the one you married, to varying degrees.
/r/PurplePillDebate01/09/25 02:52 PM
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you're saying that women are going for taller men because of empathy, so their son is more desirable to other women. and logically this desire is again, based in empathy for these women's future sons. if women wouldn't find height desirable to begin with, none of this would matter in the first place. it's a valid preference, i don't personally care about it and i'm quite tall anyway but trying to spin it this way is going in circles. sexual preferences are rarely, if ever, tied to anything resem…
/r/PurplePillDebate01/09/25 02:46 PM
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it's still circular reasoning - women are somehow virtuously going for taller men so their sons are more attractive. if women wouldn't find height attractive, none of this would be an issue to begin with. of course it's a vain preference (and that's ok - but no point in denying it).
/r/PurplePillDebate01/09/25 02:40 PM
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i won't replace my gf for a younger woman down the line, as long as i'm happy in my relationship. most men don't really do this and for those who do, i'm sure a good percentage of their relationships and marriages had some major issues to begin with. just because the new girlfriend is younger, it doesn't necessarily mean that he was looking to 'upgrade' for the sake of it. guys who date/have a preference for younger women aren't necessarily operating this way - just like women who prefer men wit…
/r/PurplePillDebate01/09/25 07:44 AM
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that's some ridiculous circular reasoning to come up with this conclusion. i rate this bait 2/8.
/r/PurplePillDebate01/09/25 07:33 AM
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the reality is that the freedom of choice also comes with having the freedom to have your own opinions and judge people for whatever you like - which goes both ways. i'd never jump on twitter to talk shit about random people who don't have anything to do with my own life, but it's freedom of speech and we shouldn't police the speech of other people imo. i also don't care if people judge me for my own preferences - their opinions might as well not exist, that's how irrelevant they are to me. i do…
/r/PurplePillDebate01/09/25 03:56 AM
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my relationships all fell somewhere in between traditional and modern but not in a way where either party picks and chooses in a way that only benefits them. the people who do that are pretty delusional imo, man or woman (as this is definitely not a gendered thing). ironically it's actually quite common for russian women/women from the former USSR to have those kind of mentalities in my experience (i'm originally from there myself fwiw). it's also pushed on social media quite a bit these days.
/r/PurplePillDebate01/09/25 03:11 AM
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some men are, a lot of men aren't. on average they're not, but the men women tend to want the most are. it also changes a bit with age as testosterone levels decease. i don't see many 40 year old men auditioning for women their age. men dislike that they're at a disadvantage in their younger years in general while women resent the fact that they don't have power over the men they really want and lose some of it as they age.
/r/PurplePillDebate01/09/25 03:02 AM
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women, in general, don't have endless options for committed relationships with tall, hot and charismatic men. only a few do (and even then a lot of attention they will receive will be purely sexual) - they're not dating average guys to begin with though. women who are worth dating don't monkey branch to another guy at the first chance they get. it doesn't even make sense in most cases because the attention they receive from other guys is just men who want to get in their pants 9 out of 10 times.…
/r/PurplePillDebate01/09/25 02:54 AM
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alternatively you can also forgo marriage altogether and not limit your dating pool based on socio-economic factors. either way, nobody is forcing men to marry broke women. those guys are bringing it on themselves.
/r/PurplePillDebate01/09/25 02:25 AM
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i know plenty of middle aged women who seem to be well-adjusted and good partners - but here's the thing: they're rarely single and often married to a guy they met in college or in their 20s. the older you get (or rather, your target demographic), the more the dating pool will skew towards people who are single for a reason, including being jaded, having baggage, idealizing the past and so on. i'm sure this is true for men in many ways as well, it's just that women tend to not want to date signi…
/r/PurplePillDebate01/09/25 02:17 AM
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sadia khan is a grifter who's been exposed to be a mentally unstable side chick just recently. i wouldn't take her takes opinions seriously, especially not when it comes to dating. not saying that there isn't some truth in what she might be saying but i wouldn't look at her as any sort of authority on the subject whatsoever.
/r/PurplePillDebate01/09/25 02:05 AM
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for some it might be based in that, but for others it just doesn't make sense to get married. it's not baggage to act in your own self-interest, it's very normal human behavior that we can observe in all kinds of ways every single day.
/r/PurplePillDebate01/09/25 02:00 AM
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simps are mostly low value men. women generally don't want low value men, they want more effort from attractive guys with options who treat them, surprise surprise, like an option. it's simple supply and demand - the women who are highly selective and want men who are highly desirable (socio-economically or otherwise) are the ones who will have to do more to succeed. of course there are plenty of average women who date average guys, but they're not the ones who struggle in the dating world for t…
/r/PurplePillDebate01/09/25 01:53 AM
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a lot of women aren't doing everything you've described in your post and beauty standards and especially expectations to be strong and independent mostly come from other women. in the past decades, beauty standards for men also have gone up quite considerably. i think in many ways they have surpassed female beauty standards - like, it's usually women who say that they're not attracted to most men rather than vice-versa. the reality is this: women get married later in life than ever, often come w…
/r/PurplePillDebate01/09/25 01:35 AM
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i mean i'm sure guys in general treat attractive women better than unattractive ones but not every guy is putting up with all kind of non-sense just because a woman is hot, which is where OP was kinda getting at. a lot of men do tbf but guys with options (doesn't even have to be that many options) will quickly put a woman in the 'for fun' box if she's a headache, disrespectful, has a bunch of red flags etc.
/r/PurplePillDebate30/08/25 08:28 PM
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i don't consider spineless simps men but i guess technically they are. besides that, i think the difference is that men tend to find average women more attractive than women find average men - but that's just how it is and i don't see the point complaining about it. life ain't a communist utopia.
/r/PurplePillDebate30/08/25 08:18 PM
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what data shows that young women are having less casual sex than in previous decades? and how many decades back are we looking at here? the emphasis being on casual, not sex in general. people in relationships have more sex and people are in less relationships today than in the past - that doesn't mean women are having less casual sex though. because from what i can tell, the data on the subject is at least mixed, not very clear and self-reported data isn't very scientific to begin with. and as …
/r/PurplePillDebate30/08/25 06:28 PM
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men compromise all the time because they generally don't have many options. most women aren't all that. if you want the 6ft 6figure 6pack guy with a handsome face and a full head of hair, chances are you'll end up with cats. if that's an acceptable outcome, i don't mind it but for a lot of women it isn't i think.
/r/PurplePillDebate29/08/25 06:00 PM
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i'm curious, how is trump a tyrant exactly? talking about him in the same breath as mentioning hitler is pretty ridiculous, although not exactly uncommon. i'm not a fan of him fwiw, i'm not even from the US but it's not tyrannical when democratic processes lead to outcomes you don't personally like.
/r/PurplePillDebate29/08/25 06:30 AM
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you realize that most women are not like you in this regard, right? so trying to speak for them doesn't really make sense.
/r/PurplePillDebate28/08/25 10:06 AM
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some women are submissive and not all men are dominant. in fact i would say that given the decreases in testosterone levels in recent decades, fewer men than ever are (percentage wise). some guys don't prioritize their partners orgasms but it's not universal and some of it boils down to a lack of communication. most men don't have the views you describe. most are normal and looking for a partner for love and companionship. most bisexual women tend to date men fwiw and sexuality is not a choice. …
/r/PurplePillDebate28/08/25 10:01 AM
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there's this saying that nobody's a villain in their own story. it's not gendered and i'd say for a good percentage of the population it's very true. shitty people usually aren't self-aware enough to recognize that they're shitty. even people who admit and regret certain mistakes will think they're a good person overall.
/r/PurplePillDebate28/08/25 09:42 AM
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what's interesting to me is that i read a thread on a mainstream female sub (i think it was askwomenover30) where several women were talking about how the women who are married to good men often molded or shaped those men into being good husbands when they were younger. and guess what? absolutely zero pushback on any of those posts (rather a bunch of upvotes), yet i'm sure if you'd switch the genders the same women would be absolutely outraged. the women are wonderful effect and female in-group …
/r/PurplePillDebate28/08/25 09:11 AM
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but no alimony, which is the topic of this thread.
/r/PurplePillDebate28/08/25 09:02 AM
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yeah, i'm sure you know my friends better than i do lmao. they are not exactly guys who struggle with women and they don't goon to thirsttraps of thots with fake tits or sub to OF prostitutes. they're married to or dating women who are definitely catches in most men's eyes i'd say. and women who have all kinds of plastic surgery or even just fake boobs aren't more difficult to get with than women who don't, in many cases they have low self-esteem and crave external validation. this notion that g…
/r/PurplePillDebate28/08/25 08:45 AM
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it's also better to be single than to marry most of the women out there in my opinion, at least in places like america. for a lot of men it's better to be single than marry at all tbh.
/r/PurplePillDebate28/08/25 07:20 AM
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if you think that the chronically single women who complain about men online don't lack self-awareness, you probably lack it yourself tbh. it's female in-group bias that's creating an echo chamber where women tell each other that they're all perfect and deserve, deserve, deserve and there just aren't enough good men to go around. meanwhile they're in their mid 30s or 40s, might be single moms, had a hoe phase in college or post-divorce, scoff at the idea of cooking for a man, have entitled attit…
/r/PurplePillDebate28/08/25 07:15 AM
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i grew up in a neighborhood with a very high density of immigrants, mostly from muslim countries. this was before the mass immigration that we've seen in the recent decade or two and most of the guys around me were second generation and a bit more liberal (although still very much socially conservative, especially when it comes to women). i have no idea why women tend to vote in favor of pro immigration policies all over europe to be honest. all i can say is good luck with the whole feminism thi…
/r/PurplePillDebate28/08/25 06:58 AM
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plenty of older men warn younger guys about getting married too, the old ball and chain trope exists for a reason after all. lots of stories about guys getting wrecked in divorce and custody courts as well or being stuck in dead bedrooms to name a couple examples. besides that, if your only selling point for women is sex then a lot of men will only want those women for sex. and nowadays, the men who can attract women in the first place can get that outside of relationships, without any commitmen…
/r/PurplePillDebate28/08/25 06:39 AM
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you can break up with people who make demands that affect your life massively.
/r/PurplePillDebate28/08/25 04:03 AM
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i was an inexperienced and immature teenager and she was hot and a good girlfriend. i was obviously self-centered, because if i wasn't i wouldn't have treated her poorly to begin with. like i said, it's not something i'm proud of at all and i think a big part of it was my environment at the time and i'm glad i'm not like that anymore. in my experience it's not exactly an uncommon occurrence for women to overlook or excuse red flags for the 'right guy'. like, my experience is not some sort of out…
/r/PurplePillDebate28/08/25 03:49 AM
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nobody in their right mind will argue that there isn't a line of men wanting to get into women's pants on dating apps and that's what most matches on online dating platforms are for women. it doesn't really matter whether or not she has kids or is otherwise undesirable in a lot of men's eyes when it comes to long-term relationships. the questions one should ask in this regard are 1) how many men would want to commit to a woman like this and potentially marry her and 2) where those men (roughly) …
/r/PurplePillDebate28/08/25 03:27 AM
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it's data that's 15 years old. not a whole lot of bots around back then, especially not male bots on dating sites. https://www.businessinsider.com/dataclysm-shows-men-are-attracted-to-women-in-their-20s-2014-10 i'll take that evidence over your personal opinion, especially since it doesn't line up with my own.
/r/PurplePillDebate28/08/25 02:53 AM
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i think my first gf should've dumped me sometime in the first months at most if i'm being honest, but she stayed with me for 3 years. to be fair we were teenagers and i'm more understanding that people make bad decisions when they're younger of course but adult women should know better - yet there are plenty who will, in retrospect, admit that they had rose tinted glasses and overlooked red flags because a guy had X Y or Z going for him. i've also seen what kind of guys some of my cousins, frien…
/r/PurplePillDebate28/08/25 02:39 AM
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of course it's a woman's choice because nobody forces her to be with those men. people can't make unilateral decisions in relationships, men or women, if the other person has some self-respect, self-esteem and common sense. if you're making concessions on your desire for a career for your future spouse you're doing it out of your own free will. nobody has a gun to anyone's head here.
/r/PurplePillDebate28/08/25 02:27 AM
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why exactly do you think that people are entitled to the same standard of living that was financed by their ex spouse when they were together? it's a privilege to have enjoyed it, not a right to have it for the rest of your life - especially when the less wealthy person is at fault for the marriage failing in the first place. that's such a non-sensical take that i don't even know how somebody could come to that conclusion. 30-50% of income as alimony is also absolutely insane and incentivizes pe…
/r/PurplePillDebate28/08/25 02:22 AM
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there's some truth to this but it's not the whole picture. plenty of women overlook obvious red flags when a guy is attractive (physically or otherwise) and stay in relationships (or situationships) for months or even years before dumping him (or getting dumped). most men aren't master manipulators who can trick women into believing they're good people for long periods of times and vetting is not as complicated or difficult as a lot of people make it seem, men or women. when i hear grown ass wom…
/r/PurplePillDebate28/08/25 01:51 AM
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what gets women interested is charisma, confidence and humor, not being nice to them. i know plenty of guys who aren't anywhere near the top 5% in looks and they still get women and treat them poorly, cheat and so on. i've even been that guy in my youth which is not something i'm proud of.
/r/PurplePillDebate28/08/25 01:31 AM
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i do agree with the fact that personality and behavior matters for most men. however it's not about being nice versus being an asshole, it's about having qualities that actually attract women. stuff like being witty/funny, intelligent, showing competence and confidence, having good social skills, knowing how to talk to and flirt with women, being fun to be around in general, living an interesting life that doesn't boil down to porn and video games, having social status which is (partially) deriv…
/r/PurplePillDebate28/08/25 01:24 AM
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yes, because it was pushed on a societal level. when you ask about women's experiences though, most tend to regret a lot of their casual sexual encounters and hundreds of millions of women don't engage in it at all or only sparingly - and there are fundamental biological/evolutionary reasons for this. of course culture has an impact on it, as we can clearly see differences between the US and let's say the middle east, but biology is a big part as well.
/r/PurplePillDebate28/08/25 12:58 AM
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homo sapiens emerged around 300k years ago, so i could've said hundreds of thousands instead of tens of thousands i guess. we have ancestors predating that time of course but there's a reason why there are distinctions between hominin species.
/r/PurplePillDebate28/08/25 12:54 AM
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i'm not the OP so i have no idea where you got that from, i'm just giving my opinion. you can't force anything resembling this modern notion of total equality without infringing on the freedom of people. it's not something anyone with common sense and understanding of the world should strive or argue for.
/r/PurplePillDebate28/08/25 12:48 AM
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there are anecdotes for just about anything given there are 8 billion people on this planet. people usually discuss tendencies and statistical probabilities on a macro level in this context.
/r/PurplePillDebate27/08/25 08:13 PM
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it doesn't. same for wealth distribution, rates of female CEOs, gender ratios in stem fields and so on but a lot of liberal feminist types tend to argue otherwise.
/r/PurplePillDebate27/08/25 07:39 PM
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i think you greatly underestimate how our biological wiring that goes back tens of thousands of years still influences behavior today. we've only had the pill for less than a century in comparison and evolution doesn't catch up that quickly. we see this in mate selection too, like women tending to favor strong and financially stable men because that's who they relied on for most of human history, even if they don't need those things in today's world. people who don't even want children still sel…
/r/PurplePillDebate27/08/25 07:37 PM
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i agree that equality of outcome is not something we should strive for in the dating world or in anything really. it's an asinine modern leftist idea that doesn't work in reality and is irreconcilable with free will and personal freedom. it's also rather ironic that those who complain about authoritarianism the most tend to want it. that being said, liberals push for this non-sense in other areas ways and areas of life - liberal women even do it when it comes to dating, just in different ways. t…
/r/PurplePillDebate27/08/25 07:25 PM
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for a lot of women there isn't exactly an equal chance to get a guy who's an 8 or 9 to commit to them and treat them well compared to a guy who's more on their level or maybe slightly below lookswise. that's not because attractive men are more abusive or whatever (although they do have much more opportunity to cheat), it's simply because the guys who entertain a woman several points below them on the looks scale on online dating platforms are only doing it to get laid to begin with. the 8s and 9…
/r/PurplePillDebate27/08/25 07:04 PM
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there is data that shows that men of any age tend to find women around 23 the most attractive, not 35. that's the objective reality, no matter what you personally think about it.
/r/PurplePillDebate27/08/25 06:20 PM
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the question is whether or not she found a husband/long-term boyfriend, because most attention women get on apps is purely sexual. which is also a reason why the apps are mostly men because that's not what women are looking for most of the time. i'm not from the US but it must be pretty bad there if 'decent looking guys with good careers' are competing for single moms with two kids from different fathers for anything serious.
/r/PurplePillDebate27/08/25 06:10 PM
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there are multiple reasons and it is one of them
/r/PurplePillDebate27/08/25 05:34 PM
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kinda true. if you're successful and want to date the broke barista, don't get married. nowadays men should know the deal.
/r/PurplePillDebate21/08/25 03:23 AM
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women lose 'value' on the dating market, not as mothers, wives, members of the community, family members, individuals etc. the statistics show that most men don't replace their wives for a younger woman.
/r/PurplePillDebate20/08/25 03:56 PM
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who says they have to? sounds awfully generalizing but of course that's the narrative a lot of western women will run with.
/r/PurplePillDebate17/08/25 03:30 AM
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who says it's preying? oh right, you and the feminista crowd
/r/PurplePillDebate17/08/25 03:29 AM
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The divorce rate for American men married to foreign women is reported to be significantly lower than for American men married to American women. According to various sources citing data from the U.S. Citizenship and Immigration Services (USCIS), the divorce rate for American men married to foreign women is approximately 20%. sounds like a better deal if you ask me.
/r/PurplePillDebate17/08/25 03:27 AM
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it's legal to fuck 16 year olds in most of europe and most us states and only a tiny minority of men do it, no matter in which part of the world.
/r/PurplePillDebate17/08/25 03:23 AM
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women, as a collective, want to keep the 'price' of female companionship and sex as high as possible because it's in their own best self-interest. it's one of the only domains where women have power over men on a macro level after all and has been quite important historically when women relied on men for survival. that's why they cheer on other women who talk about their high standards while demonizing men for the same thing (despite it being way more common for women to tell people who never as…
/r/PurplePillDebate17/08/25 02:58 AM
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male breadwinners are still 3.5x more likely than female breadwinners in american relationships. every single piece of data we have on the subject shows that women clearly still select for finances in their partners on average. it's just that nowadays, western women don't just want money (or financial stability/ambitious partners as they frame it), they want money plus something extra. of course you'll rarely see women put it that way because it makes them look bad.
/r/PurplePillDebate17/08/25 02:45 AM
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believe it or not but a man's dream wife rarely is an onlyfans model. most men don't want to marry a sexworker. it's also pretty much undeniable that men find more women attractive than vice-versa, so who truly settles to begin with? there's an element of truth that men stay in not so fulfilling relationships more than women because being single will often mean being lonely romantically and not having regular sex (if at all). meanwhile women can easily land dates, get countless likes on apps etc…
/r/PurplePillDebate17/08/25 02:35 AM
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that's an argument i'll never get either. i hang out with guys a decade younger sometimes because we have things in common and it never feels like i'm around immature kids or anything. it sounds like some people have this cartoonish view of younger people, perhaps because of how they themselves were when they were younger (or because they extrapolate traits from a small sample size like younger siblings) but in reality there are plenty of people in their 20s who have a good head on their shoulde…
/r/PurplePillDebate16/08/25 01:36 PM
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you can have intellectual compatibility (and values etc.) with somebody who's a bit younger. it's also not necessarily about superficial aspects like looks, there are practical reasons as well - more time to date before doing family planning (women in their 30s often want to get engaged within a year or two it seems), less baggage (kids, prior bad relationships, dating history in general).
/r/PurplePillDebate16/08/25 01:25 PM
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people always make this stuff sound so complicated. whether it's a cold or warm approach, it's always going to involve some level of risk but you can look for signs that a woman likes you/finds you attractive before going for it. virtually every single (long-term) relationship i've been in has started that way and the upside to that approach is that dating will feel easy, natural and more reciprocal compared to basically auditioning and trying to convince women to give you a shot. and no, you do…
/r/PurplePillDebate15/08/25 03:18 AM
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i can relate to the sentiment, as i'm very grateful that my parents left the shithole that was the former soviet union the year it collapsed and moved to one of the richest european countries for a better life. that being said i also love to travel and to experience different cultures, interacting with people from all over the world and so on. while i didn't travel for women/dating, i can also understand the guys who choose to go that route after having experienced it. lower cost of living, nove…
/r/PurplePillDebate15/08/25 03:04 AM
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at least the divorce rates seem to be significantly lower according to data from USCIS. how exactly do you objectively measure genuine attraction anyway?
/r/PurplePillDebate15/08/25 02:54 AM
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the male equivalent of a woman who sometimes gets rejected for sex is a guy who goes through dry spells that last years
/r/PurplePillDebate15/08/25 02:48 AM
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the main reasons people immigrate to western countries are financial. there is much less incentive, especially for people from cultures that value family and community, once you take money out of the equation. marrying a westerner who is rich by local standards gets rid of that issue.
/r/PurplePillDebate15/08/25 02:42 AM
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well you said it yourself - passport bros won't face these issues because they earn a western salary, so their experience will be vastly different than anything a local has to go through. when westerners talk about foreign countries, they usually refer to their own individual experiences based on their personal circumstances.
/r/PurplePillDebate15/08/25 02:40 AM
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that's true for these countries as a whole but in places like the phillippines you can afford to live in the best areas of the country on a western salary. another aspect is culture (which shapes behavior on a societal level). that one is more subjective, but still.
/r/PurplePillDebate15/08/25 02:32 AM
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the type of man that women aren't attracted to abroad is not going to do any better at home. if anything a guy can go up 1-2 points in looks depending on where he goes, at least in countries with shorter men of a different ethnicity (making him somewhat exotic). while there are plenty of men fitting the stereotype of old undesirable loser looking for poor attractive wife overseas, there are more and more normal/younger guys traveling and dating too. fwiw i'm not a passport bro but i lived in pla…
/r/PurplePillDebate15/08/25 02:25 AM
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powerlifting records have very little to do with the average man. average testosterone levels are way down, men in their 30s today have levels similar to men in their 60s like 50 years ago. when you look at the top, of course performance goes up over time with better steroids, supplements, nutrition info, doctors etc. being available to them but that's not reflective at all of the average men who mostly live sedentary lifestyles with a poor diet - especially in the US.
/r/PurplePillDebate13/08/25 06:20 PM
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those aren't the type of men who are wildly unsuccessful today. it's usually the low T, bad social skills, porn and videogame addicted, feminized, anxious, often neurodivergent wimp. the rugged and masculine men i know who take care of themselves never struggle to find women who want to be in their lives and more importantly, they actually seem to be happy in their relationships without constant arguing, power struggles, women who use them for utility and so on. the strong, silent type is defini…
/r/PurplePillDebate13/08/25 06:16 PM
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does this apply to men as well? is it fair to cheat if his sexual needs aren't being met?
/r/PurplePillDebate13/08/25 03:28 PM
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men get paid more because they work more and work higher paying jobs. the adjusted gender pay gap is in the low single digits, some sources citing as low as 1%.
/r/PurplePillDebate13/08/25 03:25 PM
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when women stop lying about their sexual history, so will i - so never.
/r/PurplePillDebate13/08/25 10:17 AM
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if you go to third world countries then yes, financial status will be more important for obvious reasons - and it's actually a level of status that's achievable for a good percentage of western men. those who purely rely on that aspect in foreign countries will however be in utility based, transactional relationships without genuine desire on the woman's side in a lot of cases. don't get me wrong, i've dated in places like colombia and thailand and i understand the benefits that come with it but…
/r/PurplePillDebate12/08/25 09:35 PM
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only 0.01% of men will reach the top 0.01% echelons of status. these examples are absolutely irrelevant. status that is somewhat attainable for a reasonable amount of men will lose to looks every single time.
/r/PurplePillDebate12/08/25 08:28 PM
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idk a single self-respecting man who would ever be happy with that kind of arrangement. even if my only choices would be dating a hoe and being single, i would pick the latter every single time.
/r/PurplePillDebate12/08/25 08:23 PM
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this is wildly inaccurate for women who participate in casual sex and/or use dating apps chronically, primarily because there is a massive gap between who men would sleep with and date short-term on a rather anonymous basis vs. who they'd have a committed relationship with. granted, the width of this gap depends on the individual but it's large enough for a sufficient amount of men to have a noticeable impact. it's not very intuitive for women either because their sexual selection doesn't work t…
/r/PurplePillDebate11/08/25 01:10 AM
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what's your actual, pragmatic solution? cosplaying trad family life with liberal modern women who had a hoe phase in college and want a husband when they approach 30-35? i agree that young men today have issues on a macro level but there are only so many men who can 'win' in the dating game in modern western countries - and what winning looks like is pretty subjective.
/r/PurplePillDebate11/08/25 12:56 AM
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you would be surprised how little some men care about anything that's part of a woman's personhood when it comes to non-committal sex. the term hatefucking also comes to mind.
/r/PurplePillDebate11/08/25 12:42 AM
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evolutionary concepts are difficult to prove with scientific method because of their very nature - you can't exactly reproduce evolutionary processes in a lab. that doesn't make it pseudo-science though. it's pretty telling that cultures all over the world that were vastly different in many ways have valued female purity for millennia without ever having had contact with each other. biological wiring is the most logical explanation.
/r/PurplePillDebate11/08/25 12:40 AM
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the natural male and female mating strategies are not exactly in line with each other but committed monogamy is a compromise on both ends to form stable families and as a result, stable societies. if a man invests his resources, effort, time, emotions etc. into one woman he will (or rather should) expect loyalty and paternal security.
/r/PurplePillDebate11/08/25 12:38 AM
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what exactly is the problem for having a zero tolerance policy when it comes to casual sex in a prospective partner's past?
/r/PurplePillDebate11/08/25 12:32 AM
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infidelity rates (and divorce rates) are higher for people who have a higher number of pre-marital sexual partners. this whole 'the past is the past' narrative is non-sense because past behavior is the single best indicator of future behavior - and that's not just a saying, it's science. this line of argument also goes out of the window rather quickly when people discuss potential violent, abusive etc. past behavioral patterns of men.
/r/PurplePillDebate11/08/25 12:30 AM
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evolution doesn't work at the same speed as exponential technological advancement and the societal shift that comes with it. it doesn't make sense for women to select for tall and physically dominant men either in today's day and age, but our biological wiring doesn't just go away because it makes 'no sense'. and for what it's worth, there's data showing a correlation of higher infidelity/divorce rates and past promiscuous behavior - so it actually still makes sense to select for this metric to …
/r/PurplePillDebate11/08/25 12:27 AM
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why does something have to be a physical characteristic in order for it to be a valid preference? you can't physically tell that a man is an abuser or an addict but you wouldn't want to date one either, would you? our ancestors lived in tribes and women weren't able to just sleep around anonymously, especially not without immediate and direct consequences (like pregnancy). so people could definitely tell and easily determine that a woman would be a bad prospect for long-term investment as a resu…
/r/PurplePillDebate11/08/25 12:24 AM
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biology isn't inherently irrational, there are logical reasons why these biological preferences developed in the first place. you might say that they don't necessarily apply in todays day and age but that's not always true either.
/r/PurplePillDebate11/08/25 12:18 AM
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just like you have the right to do whatever you want in a free society (as long as it's legal), other people have the right to judge you for it and have their own views and opinions that you might not like. that's how free societies work. i have a preference for younger women and i don't go around dunking on women my age, telling other people that they're used up and whatever else you hear in some online circles when it comes to this topic - but guess what, some people (mostly women) will still …
/r/PurplePillDebate11/08/25 12:13 AM
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these demands only apply to women's preferences (or to standards that these women meet themselves). men aren't afforded the same courtesy because it's not in the interest of women. when it comes to sexual history, there are objective and pragmatic reasons (just like women dating successful men) and biological/evolutionary explanations (like women dating taller, stronger men) so the entire premise of OPs argument is wrong to begin with.
/r/PurplePillDebate11/08/25 12:09 AM
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a correlation isn't exactly evidence. you could argue that incels are more likely to be terminally online and frustrated, so you obviously hear from them much more often. it's a form of selection bias really. in comparison, i also know plenty successful men who care about a woman's past when it comes to committed LTRs - they just don't go around talking about it. not only do they have better things to do in most cases, they also don't struggle attracting the women they actually want.
/r/PurplePillDebate11/08/25 12:01 AM
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i value 'purity' to some degree and it's not because of insecurity, it's rather pragmatic. it's not an either-or when it comes to selecting partners, you don't just choose between purity and compatibility. in fact, women who aren't promiscuous have always been better fits for me personally in other ways as well. believe it or not, the decisions you make in life say something about you as a person. the whole 'the past is the past' non-sense quickly goes out of the window when it comes to many oth…
/r/PurplePillDebate10/08/25 11:54 PM
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this largely depends on the definition of wealthy. in general the upper class pays a higher percentage in taxes in the US (even more so in a lot of european countries). afaik it's not until you get to the super rich demographic where data would indicate that they do indeed pay a lower percentage.
/r/PurplePillDebate10/08/25 11:48 PM
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how many people are dying from starvation in places like the US? your lower class population has obesity issues lol.
/r/PurplePillDebate10/08/25 11:43 PM
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when your actions are in line with the results you desire, there's no incentive to change anything. the men who are using women for sex are getting exactly what they want - what they should or shouldn't do from a moral standpoint doesn't really matter in the real world. in general, people act in their self-interest first and foremost and the men who complain about it are not the ones doing it. it's mostly women who complain about non-committal men in the dating pool, who feel regret after some o…
/r/PurplePillDebate10/08/25 11:38 PM
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you think there are no high value men who sleep with escorts? oh sweet summer child. either way, it's not the same thing.
/r/PurplePillDebate08/08/25 11:41 PM
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plenty of jurisdictions can consider acts without penetration rape. i don't even know what your point is. i'm saying fucking someone refers to penetrating someone and since chances are charlize didn't peg the dude, she didn't fuck him. simple as. where exactly does any of that imply that women can't rape men? so your stance is, rape requires penetration but fucking someone doesn't? and i'm the stupid one somehow.
/r/PurplePillDebate06/08/25 10:18 AM
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one thing that the tea app 'leak' showed me is a bunch of mid and below women complaining about guys out of their league. so much for trying to 'find equals'.
/r/PurplePillDebate06/08/25 09:57 AM
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how exactly did you come to this conclusion? penetration is not required for rape and there's absolutely no implication of that in any of my points. just because a woman can rape a man doesn't mean she's fucking him if she does. i actually experienced something that would be considered rape in a lot of jurisdictions in today's day and age and it had nothing to do with me getting fucked by a woman.
/r/PurplePillDebate04/08/25 11:34 AM
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where exactly are previous partners and their tendencies, characteristics etc. mentioned here? isn't this just a study that shows that shows that people end up with people who are similar to themselves rather than them being the same type of partner they might have pursued X years, prior to their current relationship? it also concludes that perceived similarity is more important than actual similarity and how somebody perceives something can greatly change from early 20s to late 30s for example …
/r/PurplePillDebate04/08/25 11:25 AM
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'That didn't happen. And if it did, it wasn't that bad. And if it was, that's not a big deal.' - the first half of the narcissists prayer. not a good look ngl. yes, people do shame passport bros on social media all the time. as for the claims that it 'almost never works out' , do you have any proof of it? the first result from brave's AI is this: Divorce Rate for U.S. Men Married to Foreign Women: Data from the U.S. Citizenship and Immigration Services (USCIS) suggests that marriages between Ame…
/r/PurplePillDebate04/08/25 10:49 AM
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banging is another word for fucking and is used in the same context. a man fucks a woman, a woman gets fucked by a man (assuming heterosexuality). it's pretty simple unless you're a liberal feminist. too much sex and the city and you got women talking 'oh i fucked this guy and i fucked this guy' - no you didn't unless you used a strap-on. he fucked you. based on reality. men settling down with significantly older women is very rare statistically speaking. even more rare than age gap relationship…
/r/PurplePillDebate04/08/25 10:38 AM
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1) based on who penetrated who. 2) i'm not a red piller but most women would be practice material for younger men, i'm not talking about charlize specifically in that context. that's why i said 'any woman'.
/r/PurplePillDebate04/08/25 10:06 AM
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the average middle aged woman in the US is fat but besides that, sure it's a bit of an extreme example (although there are still millions of women like this) but that's just to explain the concept. you don't have to go to such extremes to get a better 'exchange rate' with a younger or foreign woman for example, depending on individual preferences of course. the point still stands - why shouldn't a man transact in a way that's most beneficial to him? women who are against that just don't want to …
/r/PurplePillDebate04/08/25 10:00 AM
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most common age of consent in the US is 16, same for europe - so men could already go younger. 'i don't care what words mean, i just use them how i feel like' - literally you.
/r/PurplePillDebate04/08/25 09:51 AM
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you're a woman, not a man and your sexuality works differently. thank you for listening to my ted talk.
/r/PurplePillDebate04/08/25 09:50 AM
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you can't just throw around words like pedo randomly when they have very clear dictionary definitions that don't apply here at all and still be taken serious. nobody with 2 brain cells is going to agree with you just based off this objectively verifiable fact alone.
/r/PurplePillDebate04/08/25 09:49 AM
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it simply depends on the exchange rate people transact with. a guy getting with a 35 year old overweight single mom who expects him to provide for her and her kid while being unwilling to bring much to the table herself is an unfavorable transaction for the man in that position. but being with a 25 year old childless woman who wants to have kids with him and is happy to contribute to the relationship and her part of the gender roles? entirely different story. if all relationships are transaction…
/r/PurplePillDebate04/08/25 09:01 AM
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viewed as creeps by who? plenty of men would love to swap places with them. maybe not in your male feminist liberal circles but most men i know give other men props and high fives when they date young, hot women. you think guys in that position care about what older women and their obedient beta hubbies think, let alone dudes posting about it on reddit? it's like homeless dudes judging my finances.
/r/PurplePillDebate04/08/25 08:53 AM
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charlize got banged, she didn't do the banging, so that's one difference. another difference is that practically any woman can be practice material for younger guys if she so chooses. you don't have to be a hollywood actress to pull that off, there's no burden of performance on women when it comes to sex in general but certainly not to that level. on top of that, significantly less women are interested in having a young boy toy and other women usually think they're losers.
/r/PurplePillDebate04/08/25 08:50 AM
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yes, former NFL multi millionaires have no issues to find young and hot women if that's what they're into. the vast majority of men are living in a very different reality though. men like shannon sharpe are complete outliers and can't be used as examples to anything remotely resembling general trends within a population. when men talk about women being into older guys they think of guys like themselves, not some celebrity multi millionaire. nobody is disputing that a list celebrities and athlete…
/r/PurplePillDebate04/08/25 08:47 AM
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oh, the touch grass rebuttal. i've touched grass in over 40 countries and i've also slept with women i would never have considered to be a potential girlfriend (and so have most of my friends) - so i'm curious, what exactly do you disagree with in that quote? yes, fat and ugly women get married but they get married to guys around their level and they're not deluded by dating apps to think they're a top x% woman. it's also besides the point because what i was talking about is the fact that women …
/r/PurplePillDebate04/08/25 08:38 AM
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studies with data mostly predating the massive rise in online dating carry little meaning in the context of today's dating world. general confidence is also not the same thing as having an inflated self-perception in terms of SMV for example. i've known plenty of men who were confident in their abilities and intellect but the polar opposite when dealing with women. another aspect of the equation is the fact that women who are married and in long-term relationships are a completely different demo…
/r/PurplePillDebate04/08/25 08:31 AM
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i'm pretty sure that even in their personal lives, most of the women around them are more likely to coddle them with feelgood non-sense like body and sex positivity, telling them to fuck the patriarchy and that they deserve the world because they're perfect etc. rather than telling them to lose weight, to tone down the attitude and to live in reality with their expectations. at least that's the case in most western countries in 2025. what you describe exists but it's not the norm outside of chri…
/r/PurplePillDebate04/08/25 08:14 AM
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the point isn't that exciting, confident and charming men etc. are necessarily toxic, the point is that women will often tolerate toxic behavior and date abusers as long as they're those things. the other part of the equation is what women actually consider boring, at least at young ages. for example, personally i've never chased toxic bad bitch type of girls even in my least experienced years as a teenager. being out at clubs on the weekends, drinking, doing drugs, dressing overly provocative a…
/r/PurplePillDebate04/08/25 07:47 AM
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i'm not saying anyone should but maybe we should stop telling young guys that being nice is what gets results in dating and lie about what women are actually attracted to. another part to the equation is what people actually consider boring and what level of excitement they need to be entertained in comparison. when women get older they often find themselves going for the safe and less exciting guys even if they're not outright boring but you very rarely see this in younger women in the west.
/r/PurplePillDebate04/08/25 07:37 AM
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maybe 80% of women are simply delusional? i don't have issues with dating but from my pov, most of the women who want those same 20% of guys don't qualify for them even when we put aside the mathematical impossibility of all of them forming monogamous relationships with men they greatly outnumber. if guys started to want to only date victoria secret models would you have the same type of opinion - i.e. that 99% of women simply aren't good enough to be considered as partners - or would you think …
/r/PurplePillDebate04/08/25 07:24 AM
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pretending that genuinely good women (who aren't dysfunctional) don't get involved with questionable stereotypical bad boys is just some version of just world fallacy and honestly pretty delusional - especially when talking about young women in high school and college. it's not that the stereotypical nice guy wants to treat women badly like the bad boy types, it's that he feels some type of way when being overlooked in favor of guys who treat women like shit when he's trying to be a decent dude.…
/r/PurplePillDebate04/08/25 07:18 AM
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let's get this app rolling and call it bodycounter. i'm sure there won't be massive outrage from women about it lmao
/r/PurplePillDebate04/08/25 07:16 AM
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where's the male app that's #1 on the app store dedicated to share details about women's sexual history? cause i can't seem to find it
/r/PurplePillDebate04/08/25 07:14 AM
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