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I agree with points 2 & 3, women say basically every woman is "gorgeous" and men don't objectively view women either. However i don't think men really have such a good grasp over what makes a man attractive, nor do i think its my place to say how women rate men is wrong.
/r/PurplePillDebate27/07/26 04:42 PM
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Happens all the time and women do the exact same thing. Serial monogamy is the standard in our society, most people date more than one person in their lifetimes and thus necessarily have no intention of lifelong commitments to most people they date (as they expect to date more than one). Most relationships are just what's convenient at the time. As to the expectation mismatch, in my experience, women hear what they wanna hear. If after a year they hadn't discussed long term plans, that communica…
/r/PurplePillDebate22/07/26 10:42 PM
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If we define "meritocracy" as a system where rewards are granted soley based on effort, then there are no meritocracies. People are born with innate differences. Some people are taller, gain muscle more easily and are more dextrous than others. People who are superior in those traits, given the same efforts, will perform better at sports. There are no truly level playing fields, some people are more intelligent, more charismatic and better looking. Even the temperament that motivates a person to…
/r/PurplePillDebate21/07/26 03:33 AM
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I figure this is all probably true, but is it exclusive to casual sex? Wouldn't this apply to sexual relationships with men in general?
/r/PurplePillDebate20/07/26 04:51 PM
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I don't see why i would care.
/r/PurplePillDebate17/07/26 03:18 AM
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we all know men would scoff at the very idea. As do women. The divide here is not male/female its attractive/unattractive. If an unattractive man doesn't want to "give a chance" to a woman he's not attracted to, he'll get the same response a woman does. Nobody is telling Sydney Sweeney (or whoever the current it girl is) lookin' women to give some ugly dude a chance. We all know what the rules really are subconsciously
/r/PurplePillDebate15/07/26 09:08 PM
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but they are still Absolutely seen as in their right to reject women or to nkt approach women they find unattractive They are not. The male experience is the same as what you're describing for women
/r/PurplePillDebate15/07/26 04:22 PM
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or that you’re shallow if you want a fit partner I mean it is shallow, i think the source of this disconnect is that we've decided being shallow is "bad". Shallow preferences against a group you identify with are labeled "asshole", but your own preferences are "just a preference ". The truth is its all shallow, i suppose we find some utility in pretending otherwise
/r/PurplePillDebate14/07/26 12:22 AM
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Right and because most of us aren't hot we won't do well on online dating. Its literally that black and white. Nobody is reading his profile they're just looking at the pictures. Maybe better pictures can help, maybe not, but online dating is just about looks, pretending otherwise is what? Fun? He chatted with 1000 women and still only got one date out of it. He could be saying something to turn them off. Or they replied once and then got bored, which is pretty typical for people on OLD. Doesn't…
/r/PurplePillDebate11/07/26 01:59 PM
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First to get the obvious out of the way, his only real problem is that he's not attractive. If his profile sucks, its because his pictures suck, that is the sum total of what matters in online dating. Moving on: In his profile, he basically says “If you aint fishing, I dont want you”. This is meant to communicate he likes fishing. Its not meant to be taken literally. Not that anyone reads fucking profiles anyway. As the guy has shown, you can have a lot of opportunities and choices and still end…
/r/PurplePillDebate11/07/26 01:45 PM
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Maybe, but they'd be lying to themselves though. They wouldn't be bothered if a woman they liked approached them, and they know it. The truth is, they think their time and attention is less valuable than hers. Its nice to find a nice neutral justification, but its not neutral. Its not that they wouldn't want to be bothered by "a stranger", its that they wouldn't want to be bothered by themselves.
/r/PurplePillDebate08/07/26 11:18 AM
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It's quite clear to the viewer Nikki likes him back, but she does nothing to absolutely show it and she is just as meek as he is. I've seen people say this and i think they're taking crazy pills. In my eyes there's a 0% chance Nikki was interested in him. If it shows me anything, its that women read into nothing the same way men do. Like what are the indications she was interested? Saying "ewww" at the suggestion she was his girl? Not letting him pay for the drink? Not paying attention to his to…
/r/PurplePillDebate06/07/26 08:54 PM
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The kind of shit you guys want women to put up with is near the level of Jeremy Meeks. What kind of shit is that exactly?
/r/PurplePillDebate05/07/26 07:08 PM
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So in your mind there's no gradient between women being willing to put up with your shit because you're hot and billionaire sugar mama. Its a strict binary, black and white all or nothing
/r/PurplePillDebate05/07/26 07:03 PM
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No 6/10 gets a "he's hot". If you're considered "hot", Jeremy meeks rules apply whether you're a perfect 10 or not
/r/PurplePillDebate05/07/26 06:12 PM
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Lol, so unless he's attractive? You're not even disagreeing.
/r/PurplePillDebate05/07/26 06:02 PM
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So are men happy being considered attractive but no one wants to be around him? This is fiction. Would guys be fine hearing “He’s so hot….but he’s a broke ass bum and I can get someone just as hot but with money”? This is fiction. People will want to be around you if you're attractive. We can play dumb and pretend otherwise. But there's no "He's so hot, but nobody wants to fuck him". That's not reality.
/r/PurplePillDebate05/07/26 05:35 PM
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Do you know anyone who is pleasant, considerate and empathetic all the time? You do realize that with your perspective you'd have to be pleasant to rapists and murders as well. Agreeableness, like every trait is not an "is agreeable" or "not agreeable". It less agreeable or more agreeable. You literally know nobody who is infinitely miserable and combative all the time. And again, someone who's infinitely agreeable is spineless. They could never stand up for themselves, they should never, ever, …
/r/PurplePillDebate04/07/26 06:21 PM
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Agreeableness is on a spectrum, its not the binary you're presenting. Being high in agreeableness is not something women find attractive. The high end of that spectrum is a doormat, which women find disgusting.
/r/PurplePillDebate04/07/26 06:12 PM
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Now we're differentiating my internal sense of worth? You were making statements about other people's worth before. When you say "everyone is worthy of love", that's a judgement you're making and is as ephemeral as anyone else's judgement. Its also kind of an empty platitude that has no tangible effect in the world.
/r/PurplePillDebate04/07/26 06:07 PM
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Then what is worth? Who decides if you're worthy?
/r/PurplePillDebate04/07/26 05:58 PM
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I actually don’t want women in the 3rd world to feel like they have the exchange sexual favors for a better life. But, that is the most realistic path to a better life for alot of them. Couldn't you argue the passport bros are doing more than you are, despite all your empathy?
/r/PurplePillDebate04/07/26 05:53 PM
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Seems fine if he stays in the country but taking the women is more trafficing like. You're talking about the women like they're children. If they want to be with a man who can give them more than local men can that's their choice. In fact half of them stay up at night praying for it.
/r/PurplePillDebate04/07/26 03:27 PM
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You'll find plenty of age appropriate pairings on that subreddit.
/r/PurplePillDebate02/07/26 11:36 PM
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Everyone has a looks league, and people tend to already socialize with, work with, and date people within that league. You're suggesting that there's strict social stratification based on the trait you're also saying isn't the most impactful trait. I don't know how you don't see the contradiction. A lot of ppd men seem incapable of understanding that it’s pretty unrealistic for women to feel attracted to a man at first sight What's the standard for "unrealistic" here? Because women do feel attra…
/r/PurplePillDebate30/06/26 06:19 PM
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Yeah, but my male ancestors were uneducated poor people, why should i care what they think? I don't disagree with anything you said about women specifically. But i wouldn't want to live like my male ancestors, so idk why i would care about their opinions.
/r/PurplePillDebate30/06/26 12:07 PM
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I don't know how you can say how you look doesn't have much sway over who you date, because that's just plainly not true. People are surprised when the attractiveness of couples is mismatched, because everyone knows, whether they say it out loud or not, that physical appearance is a big driving factor in partner selection.
/r/PurplePillDebate29/06/26 11:05 PM
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"Looks aren't everything" is definitely the more common framing. I think the honest statement is "Looks are the most impactful thing ", though maybe the assumption is we should already understand that intuitively and thus "Looks aren't everything" is a genuine reminder. I do think "Looks aren't everything", while true, is downplaying a little bit.
/r/PurplePillDebate29/06/26 10:44 PM
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But what if you’re happy single, or if you’ve settled down with someone? What if you haven't and what if you're not. But in your day to day life, unless you’re still in high school or your profession directly involves your appearance, no one really cares how you look. Incorrect, regardless of gender your appearance is the thing people care about most. I’d bet that if women could take their desirability and just throw it away and never take it back, most of them would accept that offer If they we…
/r/PurplePillDebate29/06/26 10:11 PM
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Well no, he doesn't want to give them the money, he wants the woman. He only wants some of the women sure, but the money is just a cost. If we were saying men liked being objectified the same way women are, I'd largely agree, but they dont like spending money for its own sake.
/r/PurplePillDebate29/06/26 10:49 AM
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Lol, try having a free dance night and see what they like more. "Flexing" is a means to an end. They want women's attention and throwing money around is one way of getting it, especially in a strip club for obvious reasons. If they could get female attention without money, there would be no money spent.
/r/PurplePillDebate28/06/26 10:24 PM
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Do you love giving your landlord money? Strange you do it every month. What you like is having a place to live. If men could go to strip clubs for free they would, its not spending the money they like. Whereas for women, they do clearly want the sexual attention, they're just usually dissatisfied with the source.
/r/PurplePillDebate28/06/26 10:12 PM
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Stop analysing human interactions like mathematical equations. They basically are. Romantic relationships really aren't these special magical things. They're based on really worldly, concrete factors. Even if you wanna say presence and emotional understanding as major factors, those are still just things you can observe and artistically analyze. So many complaints are basically "Why you fucking that guy but not meeeeeee? 😭". It's so ridiculous. The other guy is hotter, richer, funnier or just in…
/r/PurplePillDebate27/06/26 11:37 PM
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That's nice and all, but to date someone has to agree to date you. You can't do the "get to know them " bit until you've to some extent done the grinding for the final boss. I'm sure some people take it too far, and think they're unworthy despite theire accomplishments, due to low self esteem or whatever. But, generally men do have to earn love and affection.
/r/PurplePillDebate26/06/26 04:36 PM
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Mind you, these men would agree that it’s weird for a stranger-woman to walk up to him and ask for his credit card to fund her shopping trip, You drawing this equivalence is telling. So just to be clear, to your understanding the male-female sexual dynamic is that men provide money to women in exchange for sex. Sex itself is something women do for men?
/r/PurplePillDebate20/06/26 02:27 PM
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If you flip the genders would this be different? The 3 men in the hypothetical want to pair up, of course they'll be upset. Women fly off the handle when rejected, just like men do. Women are just generally less interested in men than men are in women. That's just a fact, i don't know why we're framing it as a virtue. What do you think the result would be if the 3 remaining woman wanted to pair up, but the 3 remaining men didn't. Would those women not be shaming them and calling them gay or some…
/r/PurplePillDebate20/06/26 01:43 PM
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Yeah, and there are no free good women either. The singles all gotta accept they're leftovers after like 22 honestly
/r/PurplePillDebate18/06/26 12:40 PM
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Same thing, they don't put themselves out there
/r/PurplePillDebate17/06/26 11:24 PM
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I'm saying they're the same as ugly men. Not really outside, thus hard to find.
/r/PurplePillDebate17/06/26 11:18 PM
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Well that's true, but my point was more that ugly women are the same. You can go looking for them, but since they're also on average more reclusive not anyone can "just" get one. Even if they'd be willing to sleep with anyone, which they aren't
/r/PurplePillDebate17/06/26 08:48 PM
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I agree with you, but some people have drunken the koolaid that how they treat her, or some kind of personal connection ie "being nice" or "being her friend " could help their chances in anyway. The bluepill ideas, are embedded in their psyche.
/r/PurplePillDebate17/06/26 05:20 PM
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"Life isn't fair" does apply to these things though, it applies to everything. Only difference really is how you feel about it.
/r/PurplePillDebate17/06/26 02:57 PM
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Like constantly having male friends in background for work I mean this is probably the main one right? She's interacting with them more than other women are. They build up false hope.
/r/PurplePillDebate17/06/26 02:38 PM
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even most incels could go online and fetch themselves a morbidly obese and ugly woman. Wanna bet? Part of the problem is ugly people avoid putting themselves out as much, it is harder to find them and they aren't that common. The other thing, if you're an ugly, obese woman and you're gonna just be pumped and dumped anyway, you can do better.
/r/PurplePillDebate17/06/26 12:48 PM
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Couple of things. This kind of assumes that all women are good, but most men are bad. "Harder" is a comparative word, if you believe women have a problem of men being terrible in relationships but men don't, then you believe women are better than men. Thing 2, if "level one" is hard for men, but going forward it's easy. Doesn't that invalidate "looks get you in the door, but personality keeps you there" or whatever. If its freelo after getting in the door, then anything else is trivial.
/r/PurplePillDebate16/06/26 12:37 PM
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If the financial distress is bad enough yeah. If I'm desperate, I'm desperate. I'm straight though, so unless i was absolutely desperate i wouldn't. Also ever is too strong. If I'm getting 10 million dollars or something then, duh obviously.
/r/PurplePillDebate16/06/26 01:52 AM
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Lol, I'd love to see you explain the difference.
/r/PurplePillDebate15/06/26 01:50 AM
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Yes, because typically the new women don't have that information Lol, this isn't the reason. People will overlook anything in attractive people, they'll just rationalize why they're actually good people.
/r/PurplePillDebate15/06/26 01:07 AM
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Lol. I've been tempted to do this a couple times, but I've always felt stupid typing out a reading tutorial.
/r/PurplePillDebate10/06/26 04:23 PM
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If she's with a man for his money, especially that young, she's probably going to sleep someone else. Nobody wants to be saddled with someone they aren't attracted to, especially when they're young and still have a vision of themselves in the future.
/r/PurplePillDebate10/06/26 04:12 PM
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NOT EXPECTING A REWARD FOR BASIC HUMAN DECENCY. Isn't this exactly what your post is suggesting? Aren't you implying that "being respectful" (which i interpret as basic decency) is a method to "get women"? Cause if you're not saying that what are you saying? You shouldn't expect being respectful to get women, so what does being respectful have to do with getting women?
/r/PurplePillDebate09/06/26 02:55 PM
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"On balance" was a poor choice of phrase, take it to mean "usually". there is not a single man who is interested in me currently or has been for the last few years. Ithere is not a single man who is interested in me currently or has been for the last few years. Create a dating profile and swipe for 10 minutes and you'll find plenty. You describe yourself as "not fat" and "not ugly", that's more than good enough to schedule more dates than you could ever go on. No neither of these men were above …
/r/PurplePillDebate09/06/26 01:39 PM
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I'm sure that's all true. I'm also sure that on balance there's far more men interested in you than men you are interested in. Your crushes don't have to be "Chads" exactly. If they have women having crushes on them and they married "pretty blondes" is enough to tell me these men are quite attractive, even if not exactly the top of the food chain.
/r/PurplePillDebate09/06/26 11:56 AM
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So if three women show interest in you - even if only slightly This largely doesn't happen is the point OP is making. I'm not going to say that scenario is so outlandish as to never happen, but the expected number of interested women at any time is typically 0. Men of course also have agency in whether or not they choose to date a given person, but as women are more selective, they have far more freedom to choose. Your typical woman has far more people that would find them an acceptable partner …
/r/PurplePillDebate09/06/26 10:44 AM
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She can’t choose you unless you chose her to approach in the first place. Of course she can, what are you on? In fact that's how it works, nobody (who is gonna see any success), approaches women who aren't already indicating interest.
/r/PurplePillDebate08/06/26 04:00 PM
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And the average desirability is not very desirable at all.
/r/PurplePillDebate06/06/26 04:29 PM
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This is what we mean when we say to treat us as people "treat us as people" means literally nothing. there's no standard for human treatment outside the ones in the law. How anyone treats you depends on what they value in you. Women are exactly the same.
/r/PurplePillDebate03/06/26 04:33 PM
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Could we not say the same about your post? In both cases it boils down to "Women appreciate compliments from people they appreciate compliments from "
/r/PurplePillDebate03/06/26 12:40 PM
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Its an "if you have to ask" kinda thing. You gotta remember it's not whether or not they would like to be approached, rather its whether or not they would like you to approach. Unless they're completely antisocial they do at least like talking to some people.
/r/PurplePillDebate27/05/26 12:22 PM
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They aren't different. All men are in it primarily for the sex. Some relationships will work out, some won't. But its not the man's motivation that is varying, just whether or not he meets the woman's standards. Being, loyal, interested, whatever else are great virtues for a relationship. But, they aren't the selection criteria.
/r/PurplePillDebate26/05/26 01:22 AM
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Those men who "would gladly be in a relationship with any women" are probably not driven by the relationship itself but by sex. Yes, but that's just men in general. Relationships are the way to get sex. It's gonna be rare that sex isn't the primary motivation for a man to enter a relationship.
/r/PurplePillDebate26/05/26 01:17 AM
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You'd probably have to find the 25+, 115lb+ women that can't also easily find a partner if they wanted for your analysis were to hold. Guess it depends on what a standard is.
/r/PurplePillDebate26/05/26 01:15 AM
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Expectations for men and women are different. Nobody is expecting women to be breadwinners, nor men home makers. That said, men obviously have lower standards than women do. If you're a woman, there's a good chance you already know a man who would gladly be in a relationship with you. That's not a given as a man. Yes, most pursuant men will be primarily motivated by sex. But, that's going to be the case with any man you end up with. Relationships are the primary way for men to have sex, and men …
/r/PurplePillDebate26/05/26 01:01 AM
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You both like sex, but you can have sex anywhere with anyone. He specifically gets sex because he's been deemed worthy. If he didn't, he couldn't have sex
/r/PurplePillDebate23/05/26 02:00 PM
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While i do think most people are fairly nice in general. Being nice definitely isn't any kind of requirement or "bare minimum".
/r/PurplePillDebate21/05/26 05:52 PM
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There are definitely skill issues. Some people are definitely better at charming and building rapport with women and making friends in general. However, i would agree lacking these skills is probably not the biggest hurdle you face if you're a kissless handholdless virgin. If you're attractive, someone will like you, you don't have to do much else. Most people were never born to be pussy slaying cassanovas. But, if nobody wants you at all, its (probably) not something you're doing.
/r/PurplePillDebate21/05/26 05:47 PM
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They could be on the spectrum. But, also women probably just aren't into them. They've never received indications of interest, so they hope there are secret messages they're missing. Which is an idea people are more than happy to feed them, if it pacifies them.
/r/PurplePillDebate18/05/26 05:26 PM
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Women aren't subtle, the "hints" and "signs" thing is mostly cope, if a woman was interested, you'd know.
/r/PurplePillDebate18/05/26 02:05 PM
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"You're not like other girls" is exactly what women wanna hear lol. However when they get upset its because of the implication that most women suck, which they don't like, rather than the implication that most men suck, which they are ok with. Generally women hate men and like women, really just that simple
/r/PurplePillDebate16/05/26 08:26 PM
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You simply would have ignored most of the men that showed up and only paid attention to the hottest guy there and he probably has a girlfriend already. Lol, yeah. I wonder if the organizers of these things are confused as to why men don't really show up. Definitely don't need to spend 2 hours trying to talk to women who don't want to talk to me.
/r/PurplePillDebate05/05/26 01:28 AM
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With improved looks you can date people below your league too. Thus looks allow you the ability to select for whatever traits you want, personality does not give you that
/r/PurplePillDebate24/04/26 04:12 AM
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Aren't you just asserting this though? What's love anyway? Do asexual people feel love? Would they care if their partner slept around? I think it comes down more to the individual and their personal boundaries, rather than whether they love them or not. That said, most women probably arent going to be done with one sided open relationships with most partners. You're a famous athlete or artist, the chances your partner accepts it, are just gonna be higher. Whether or not these women love these me…
/r/PurplePillDebate19/04/26 03:00 PM
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Not interested in a relationship for a combination of some of the factors you listed. Too used to being alone, don't like people in my space or in my skin. Not attractive enough to select someone I enjoy being around anyway. Even when i have found someone. I'm not able to pretend I'm super into them. (Women don't care btw, they'll complain, but if they like you they'll just take it). Because of the above, I've hurt people in the past, and i don't want to do that again. When I'm in a relationship…
/r/PurplePillDebate19/04/26 02:49 PM
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No they aren't. But, fine are janitors respected? Sanitation workers? They provide pretty essential things, but these aren't positions of high respect. Similarly Taylor Swift effectively produces a luxury product. Yet, she's more respected than any teacher, janitor or surgeon. How much respect a service provider receives, says nothing about how essential the service is. As for advocacy for people's rights, sex cannot be a right, because it requires another person's consent, so what exactly can y…
/r/PurplePillDebate19/04/26 12:59 AM
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Wouldn't happen, as you have no doubt observed, men who can't get sex are at the bottom social hierarchy, thus nobody wants to be seen as supporting them. The only way prostitution can be made legal, is if its framed as for the safety of the prostitutes, not for the benefit of their customers
/r/PurplePillDebate19/04/26 12:05 AM
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What makes you assume any of this? Is education a need? How respected are teachers? Whether or not sex is a need, has absolutely no bearing on whether or not anyone would care about people who can't get it.
/r/PurplePillDebate18/04/26 11:59 PM
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I think most men do simp though, its all they can do. What women call "love bombing" is basically the only weapon in the arsenal for most. For most men women are going to wait around for them to take it slow, or treat them as an option
/r/PurplePillDebate18/04/26 06:19 PM
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Personality also changes.
/r/PurplePillDebate18/04/26 06:10 PM
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Its either the physical, or she's in a situation where she's forced to get to know him. But at the end of the day, its your looks that make them want to talk to you. Also, don't listen to them. If you're good looking, be as mean, dumb and boring as you want, they'll still date you, doesn't even matter how you treat them.
/r/PurplePillDebate18/04/26 06:07 PM
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I agree. They say the same things but im a different tone. There isn't actually much disagreement.
/r/PurplePillDebate18/04/26 06:02 PM
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Yes, this is a big part of why women date. They want someone to help clear some of lifes difficulties for them. Men are more sex focused, and less likely to even want help, due to gender roles, so their motivations are different, though equally selfish.
/r/PurplePillDebate18/04/26 05:21 PM
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Sex primarily, or social status secondarily
/r/PurplePillDebate18/04/26 05:17 PM
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it’s willful ignorance on men’s part to think physical attractiveness was excluded. Agreed. But, physical attractiveness is a relationship quality, since it's a prerequisite to a relationship. Also, I'd argue its one of the less common qualities amongst men (from women's pov), so probably worth mentioning if you're trying to be helpful
/r/PurplePillDebate18/04/26 12:34 PM
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Of course some women prefer to be single and childless, but most don't, and you aren't even one of them.
/r/PurplePillDebate18/04/26 12:27 PM
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What do they ask? What's the actual question that's being responded to?
/r/PurplePillDebate17/04/26 09:30 PM
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Is it answering a question or is it giving advice? Because those aren't the same thing. "Women want a nice guy" isn't advice, its just a statement. The statement could be true, its still not advice. If a man asks for advice and you respond with "Women like a nice guy", the obvious implication is he should nice. Omitting the "who they find physically attractive" is not only unhelpful, its an intentional lie by omission and everyone knows it. To be fair men should stop asking, because everyone kno…
/r/PurplePillDebate17/04/26 09:14 PM
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Im sure they do. However women are not likely to extend "men have rejected me" to "men aren't sexually interested in women". All, or nearly all women experience sexual interest from men. Women are more likely to extend to "Men don't like women as people" or "Men only want sex", because that's what comes from their experience. The idea "Women aren't interested in men at all" or "Women only want money ", will more likely arise from men's experiences, since they are more likely to receive an absolu…
/r/PurplePillDebate12/04/26 08:11 PM
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Enough posts and comments here saying women don't actually like men or desire men. From the perspective of undesirable men, women don't desire men. In fact, from their lived experience, women find men completely revolting. We are also just sexually repressed socially and judged much harder for straight romantic and sexual interactions than men are Women behave completely differently around attractive men. They are effectively the same as men. Its not repression that perpetuates the myth. Its act…
/r/PurplePillDebate12/04/26 07:21 PM
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It is agreed though, women have all the negotiating power here, men have to. Its not really up for debate.
/r/PurplePillDebate11/04/26 09:01 PM
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I think all people are shallow, if it makes you feel better. Of course there are reasons other thsn external appearance that can affect the decision to date someone, but for most people its really what's outside that's doing most of thr decision making.
/r/PurplePillDebate11/04/26 02:16 PM
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Doesn't seem like you disagree really. You're saying you never hear women claim to be able to detect "bad men" right? So at the heart of it you're agreeing they can't? On a whole i agree with you, abusers are gonna need the opportunity to abuse, so in aggregate ugly dudes are probably going to have abused less. Where i will disagree, is that i have found women do have a tendency to make up a non-shallow sounding rationalization for not liking a guy, instead of just saying "he's light-speed ugly"…
/r/PurplePillDebate11/04/26 01:52 PM
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I think you're making a distinction without a difference. If male groups are less socially open then that is just the way society is. There isn't a council of men where we get to vote on it. Additionally, its not like the way men behave is just wholly unrelated to the way women respond to it. Just like we say women feel societal pressure to look and behave a certain way due to men's expectations, surely you must see the reverse is also true
/r/PurplePillDebate11/04/26 01:33 PM
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no. It’s not emotional labour. They’re not gonna take on any of your issues or burdens or complaints. They just guide you and teach you things and strategies. That’s not labour. Sound familiar? I'm not even trying to say therapy is useless, but its clearly emotional labor. You're so committed to the bit that you are effectively describing therapy as useless.
/r/PurplePillDebate05/04/26 11:08 AM
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That would actually be direct help. If i give you a cheat sheet to study for a test, I've helped you. Your insistance that women should never have to help men is forcing you to diminish therapy, which you seem to advocate for otherwise. If a therapist is not listening to my struggles and complaints then they are useless. They don't know what my issues are, thus any advice they give can be otained from google.com, it can't be personalized in any way, and since they can't listen to what i have to …
/r/PurplePillDebate05/04/26 11:01 AM
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You heard it here first folks. Therapy doesn't help. Glad we got to it eventually.
/r/PurplePillDebate05/04/26 10:49 AM
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Interesting, because in romance fiction targetted at women (well, young women). Literally the entire world tends to revolve around the female lead. The male lead's entire family could be murdered and the only thing he'd be thinking about is the super special girl he's been aggressively negging for 2 weeks
/r/PurplePillDebate04/04/26 08:00 PM
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You can say its unreasonable, but realistically you're not going to run into this problem. If you're into something extreme then sure, you have a point. But, most men are probably going to be fine with whatever the woman wants. But, a question for you, if you would like to stick a probe in a partners dick, but he wouldnt let you, would you be unbothered? If he let an obviously more attractive ex do it, would you still be unbothered?
/r/PurplePillDebate04/04/26 07:30 PM
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If women thought of men like men thought of women, you actually wouldn't like it at all This wasn't you?
/r/PurplePillDebate04/04/26 06:32 PM
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The statement that tells me that you don't seem to understand rhat men arent women is you assert that men wouldn't enjoy effort free sexual attention from women. Sure, validation is nice, but to say men wouldn't like it if women behaved like men, is to assume men value sex in the same ways women do. most of the sex men had was a dude pumping into them, or licking a pussy then I guess it would be equally logical to conclude they "didn't like sex" if they didn't pursue those opportunities as much.…
/r/PurplePillDebate04/04/26 06:27 PM
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Lol, yeah it does. Whats your point?
/r/PurplePillDebate04/04/26 06:17 PM
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If women thought of men like men thought of women, you actually wouldn't like it at all. Men aren't women. Men don't need a special reason to have sex. If women were like that, men would definitely like it. Gay men just have sex with each other because they're attracted to men and enjoy sex. They don't need to be flattered and bribed into it. Statements like this support the hypothesis that women don't actually like sex, but just use it as a social tool
/r/PurplePillDebate04/04/26 05:46 PM
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Guys that look like this don't struggle to get women, so even if she personally finds him unattractive, this is just an empty insult to be combative.
/r/PurplePillDebate04/04/26 05:35 PM
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Most women aren’t interested in having sex with men who don’t even like them. Lol
/r/PurplePillDebate31/03/26 01:38 PM
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Most men don't have rosters, not even most of the good looking ones.
/r/PurplePillDebate29/03/26 02:30 AM
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Kind, intelligent and ugly. Add the qualifier where they aren't good looking.
/r/PurplePillDebate29/03/26 02:27 AM
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Oh god the AI. If they aren't getting matches, any thoughts you have on what would or wouldn't happen if they got matches is just speculation. However, these aren't unrelated things, despite how we want to frame ourselves, people aren't that complicated, if you have the initial attraction, whatever other characteristics you have are probably "fine", not every man needs to be Casanova. If lots of women are matching with you, then some of them are sleeping with you, women aren't inherently better …
/r/PurplePillDebate28/03/26 05:59 PM
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That he could be concerned about quality or quantity of women at all is completely a product of his looks. Men who aren't good looking do not get to consider these things. So to that extent you could argue that personality only matters if you're good looking. But, if your discussing this with an audience of men that isn't attracting anyone, then for them their personality doesn't matter at all.
/r/PurplePillDebate26/03/26 01:30 AM
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Inhibition, low self-esteem, poor socialization skills, social awkwardness, neuroticism, jealousy, poor posture, inexpressive mannerisms and/or monotone voice, mumbling, lack of willingness to try new things, overly concerned with what others think of him, high degree of shame, extreme fear of failure. These things will stop lots of women from fucking you. If no women will fuck you, its because of your looks. If you look good some woman will be willing to fuck you, and just like lots of men, lot…
/r/PurplePillDebate26/03/26 01:17 AM
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With women, it might get him initial attraction, but if she doesn't feel like she's having fun in his presence, she'll nope out. Depends on his goals. Lots of women are also boring, if he's just wants a girlfriend, his looks are all he has to worry about, stricter filters than "female " are for the privileged. Having looks might get him in the door, but that's it. It won't seal the deal. It won't make her feel anything other than that he's objectively good looking, which often isn't enough for w…
/r/PurplePillDebate25/03/26 10:40 PM
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For some people this may be an unrealistic expectation. But, that's not going to be the kind of thing most people are going to be comfortable calling an unrealistic fantasy, even if it is
/r/PurplePillDebate27/02/26 11:40 PM
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You can just assume she has. It's a pretty safe assumption
/r/PurplePillDebate27/02/26 12:41 PM
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"treat me like a human" doesn't mean anything. There are vast differences in how different people are treated, or even how the same person is treated in different contexts. That said women show far less interpersonal interest and consideration for men than men do for women. The complaint from women never really made sense to me.
/r/PurplePillDebate26/02/26 01:28 PM
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Yaaay I'm outside! Women don't have standards besides looks Don't let them gaslight you. If they like how you look it's done. They'll marry you if you want. Just fuck you if that's what you want I'd you're good looking it's just whatever you want. When they claim "nobody ever claimed otherwise" just take it as concession.
/r/PurplePillDebate26/02/26 05:54 AM
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I'm asserting they can be an asshole if they want, it doesn't matter.
/r/PurplePillDebate04/02/26 11:09 PM
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Younger women are more attractive just like taller men are, what answer do you want?
/r/PurplePillDebate04/02/26 09:41 PM
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Practically if all you can offer is being "nice", then it really doesn't matter though.
/r/PurplePillDebate04/02/26 09:29 PM
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I do which is why I disagreed with this The men who put in effort into people tend to recieve back; Effort in itself isn't worth anything.
/r/PurplePillDebate04/02/26 08:59 PM
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And then when I do things for other people, you're gonna say "Nobody told you to be a doormat"
/r/PurplePillDebate04/02/26 08:15 PM
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I think like with all requirements women claim to have, it is going to get thrown out the window once Chad Thundercock smiles at her. Any man desperate enough to actually pay for this never had a ghost of a chance of even sniffing pussy anyway. So it's basically just a cash app link in bio
/r/PurplePillDebate04/02/26 07:56 PM
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The men who put in effort into people tend to recieve back; Depends on what they have to offer. Effort by itself doesn't mean anything in almost any area of life.
/r/PurplePillDebate04/02/26 07:52 PM
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I mean....yes?
/r/PurplePillDebate01/02/26 07:51 PM
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If you treat drugs addiction or obesity as moral failings then yeah, but for the most part people don't seem to be able to ignore their baser drives. If a woman stays in a relationship with a cheater, abuser or criminal, they probably can't help themselves, they're attracted to the person. Men doing the same can't really help themselves either.
/r/PurplePillDebate01/02/26 06:56 PM
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You know what your league is. If a dude that looks like Jason Momoa(or whoever women like idk) was ever going to date you seriously you'd know. You don't need a definition, you know.
/r/PurplePillDebate29/01/26 11:35 PM
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It's not hard for me to understand that. The point I'd disagree with is that not being good is some sort of limiting factor in dating, it really isn't. As you say: maybe i would have just slept with him if he was only attractive Maybe you wouldn't, lots of women wouldn't, but there's no shortage of women that would. Everytime someone associates lack of dating success with a lack of "goodness", which lots of people do, they are perpetuating the idea that romantic/sexual success is tied to moralit…
/r/PurplePillDebate26/01/26 03:23 PM
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Uhhhh sweaty, how is it treating her worse, he's choosing you. This is exactly the same thing with women sleeping with more attractive men quickly, while making less attractive men wait. The answer is that men and women are exactly the same and will do more for more desirable partners.
/r/PurplePillDebate25/01/26 10:33 PM
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Guys here make it very known. They are only willing to be good people if it results in getting laid. People have goals and desires, if they feel alienated from those they become bitter, I don't know why you're expecting the patience of saints from every man on the planet. Yes. Again, would you want to be in the company of a bad person or a good person? You're conflating morally good with good company, these are 2 different things. You can know a funny, sociable, fun charismatic person, who's a c…
/r/PurplePillDebate25/01/26 07:01 PM
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How are we defining "good" here? Because I am tempted to agree that the statement "women want a good man" isn't a lie, but the mistaken interpretation is "women will want a man because he is good". I would say that women would like the men they are already interested in to be good to them. That seems a reasonable thing to say, but even here you seem to imply the idea that a woman might want a man because he is good. So when you say being good is a trait for long term relationships. You aren't im…
/r/PurplePillDebate25/01/26 06:44 PM
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I want you to think about why this wouldn't be the case. You're 18 years old and any woman will sleep with you, but not all of those women will commit to you/not all the relationships will work out. Do you think the first women you engage with the more attractive ones first?
/r/PurplePillDebate25/01/26 11:19 AM
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Or do most women really find average men as sexually unappealing as straight men find gay men? Yes. They aren't attracted to them at all. That's the disconnect that leads to this misunderstanding.
/r/PurplePillDebate24/01/26 11:20 PM
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The "Disney" version of romance they're referring to is winning the girl by being the sweetest, most thoughtful, morally good person. Remembering what her favorite flowers are and getting her some, or spending hours on making her a gift, helping her with things she has to do (giving her rides, helping her move, etc). Effectively the idea that investing time and effort into a woman is gonna win her over. I feel like the idea is more from teen movies than Disney, so think "Disney Channel". On Disn…
/r/PurplePillDebate24/01/26 06:11 AM
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It's gonna depend on the man and the thing, but the traditional dating paradigm is that the man earns the woman, not the other way around. If she is better than him, then she doesn't need him, which invites insecurities.
/r/PurplePillDebate24/01/26 12:30 AM
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Hope? Sure. But, if you want to attract women you need to be attractive. Which is not to say you need to be a 6/6/6 giga Chad, but look decent, have a decent job and a good social life. You need some reason why a woman would want to date you.
/r/PurplePillDebate24/01/26 12:26 AM
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You'd probably not be rich being a prostitute. But, $525 is probably below market rate, depending on how you look, where you live, etc. if the economics are your only objection then you can do it, you'd probably make more than you're making now, assuming you're young, attractive and have a plug for good clients of course. You can also keep your day job. I've seen prostitutes, a few of them have mentioned day jobs.
/r/PurplePillDebate23/01/26 12:18 AM
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Then idk how he'd know whether or not women are interesting, unless he's only talking to them on dating apps. Which is like, yeah same thing, they probably don't want to talk to him
/r/PurplePillDebate22/01/26 07:06 PM
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Highschool relationships last like 3 business days though. Still, I see your point, she's not old enough for this to really be a pattern.
/r/PurplePillDebate22/01/26 06:58 PM
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By the letter of the post people definitely do want others to lower their standards. If I thought I could date Jenna Ortega if she lowered her standards, then yeah I'd try to get her to lower her standards. Some version of this is definitely happening all the time I think your point is that you're worth what you can get and nobody deserves anything, there I do agree.
/r/PurplePillDebate22/01/26 06:27 PM
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Most people are interesting, if you're willing to take the time to get to know them. Every person lives a unique life that you know nothing about. However not everyone is immediately attention grabbing, and a lot of people aren't really curious. Which, I get you only have a limited time on this earth can't spend time with everyone. Btw OPs problem is probably that most women he talks to aren't interested in him and thus the conversations are dull because the women aren't really interested in tal…
/r/PurplePillDebate22/01/26 05:56 PM
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You realize in this reply you've said it's not what you say (you can't charm her with the right words) it's not what you do (women don't fuck for favors) it's not how you look (you can't just be hot) Based on what you said, you sound like a bar person. At bars it's just how you look. When you're plastered and the music is booming nobody really hears what you have to say and you're not saying anything intelligent anyway.
/r/PurplePillDebate22/01/26 05:37 PM
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Don't invite women out who haven't shown interest, you're just making them uncomfortable. It takes not more than 15 seconds of meeting a woman to know if you should bother engaging further. There's no point in doing anything that would reasonably be called chasing. I wouldn't call asking out a woman who is already clearly interested in you "chasing".
/r/PurplePillDebate22/01/26 05:28 PM
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I don't think we were really talking about dating on this one. The contention is bias against men is justified as men are more problematic. So why stop there, we can apply the same bias to other groups with equally factual justifications.
/r/PurplePillDebate22/01/26 05:11 PM
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Shouldn't this be a question for women really? Women accept the types of relationships they accept for whatever reasons they have for accepting them. Women complain men don't pull their weight in relationships all the time, so you tell me, why do you want those relationships?
/r/PurplePillDebate22/01/26 02:23 PM
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Probably true, how strong does a correlation need to be exactly before it's worthy of your consideration? Because the race correlation definitely also exists.
/r/PurplePillDebate22/01/26 01:12 PM
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The difference you're identifying with race is that the root causes are different? I'm not understanding your point.
/r/PurplePillDebate22/01/26 12:52 PM
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<image> Here you go bud.
/r/PurplePillDebate22/01/26 12:29 PM
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You think that guy was way above average? Feel like you are straining extremely hard to make a point. Lol, if anyone ever doubted it was over
/r/PurplePillDebate22/01/26 02:48 AM
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The answer is if they think you're hot. I know there's more to relationships than sex, but the answer to every sex question is "be hot"
/r/PurplePillDebate22/01/26 02:32 AM
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Autistic males are treated worse because all males are treated worse. People like women more, really isn't more complicated than that.
/r/PurplePillDebate22/01/26 02:24 AM
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Sounds like it didn't work. Dig deeper
/r/PurplePillDebate21/01/26 02:05 PM
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Have you tried being unattractive to them?
/r/PurplePillDebate21/01/26 01:56 PM
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What you do for yourself are the things you do without external pressure. For some people that includes staying in shape. For most staying in shape is just about how they look. Maybe you're in the former category. But since you use the phrase "got fit", it suggests a change of behavior that would make me question why you weren't doing it all along.
/r/PurplePillDebate21/01/26 01:50 PM
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You want to exercise, get fit, eat healthy? Great. But do it for yourself. This is an empty platitude, nobody really means this and it doesn't mean anything. What you do for yourself are the things you do without external pressure. For some people that includes staying in shape. For most staying in shape is just about how they look. The last man on earth is probably not gonna be spending much of his time in the gym.
/r/PurplePillDebate21/01/26 01:44 PM
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Success is a subjective metric, so it can be. It's ultimately down to the person, but being settled for might be better than being perpetually single, and I'd argue for most people it is. For some of the same reasons you say women might feel pressured to settle, men would be pressured to do the same. In addition to the male exclusive concern of relationships being the most reliable way to have sex
/r/PurplePillDebate21/01/26 12:53 PM
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Sure, that's possible. But, that still means being a misogynist is not a reason for romantic failure. It seems it is irrelevant.
/r/PurplePillDebate21/01/26 12:26 PM
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The question is flawed, women don't despise misogynistic men, they despise unsuccessful men. Misogynists do fine with women, unattractive men don't. It's the lack of success that makes these men bitter, not being bitter that makes them unsuccessful.
/r/PurplePillDebate21/01/26 10:55 AM
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She's not in a relationship with the hookup guys because she can't be, he doesn't want her. That's at least the common impression, you can disagree, but I'm skeptical.
/r/PurplePillDebate21/01/26 10:43 AM
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you'll be a good husband so I won't date you". So, to be fair, a lot of the time they don't actually mean this, they don't actually think you'll be a good husband, they're just being nice. It's just a way of letting you down gently.
/r/PurplePillDebate21/01/26 08:36 AM
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I know you probably didn't want your statement to be autistically analyzed, but by writing 1/4 billion you basically asked for it. The odds are like 25%, at least if you want to use marriage rates as the indicator. No matter what you want to use as the indicator though, realistically the odds of being alone forever are way higher than 1/4 billion
/r/PurplePillDebate21/01/26 12:45 AM
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This is not literally true as there are more men than women, even if everyone was forced to pair off. In addition everyone is not forced to pair off. Some men will have more than one partner, some women (and men) will choose to stay single.
/r/PurplePillDebate21/01/26 12:36 AM
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If you know, then why did you ask?
/r/PurplePillDebate21/01/26 12:18 AM
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I'm sure, but men aren't being hypocritical here, which I think is what your question was getting at. He's not going to sleep with Jessica faster than Rache because Jessica is hotter. It's really Jessica and Rachel that are setting these timelines. Some women don't rush into sex, except for when they do, and I get that sometimes you're horny and sometimes the dude was hot or whatever. But, you're not going to find the same type of inconsistency in men.
/r/PurplePillDebate21/01/26 12:11 AM
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So every woman you have sex with at the same precise moment? As soon as she'll consent is my answer so I'm not the one with variance lol. I don't think you'll really find much inconsistency amongst men as they don't usually need much of an excuse to have sex.
/r/PurplePillDebate21/01/26 12:03 AM
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What if she learned from her past experiences? I feel like the obvious answer is that he doesn't believe her. She can learn and grow, but I understand why you'd be skeptical. Granted, women know better than to mention their relationships with other men, so you'd probably have to be making assumptions about what her past dating habits were.
/r/PurplePillDebate20/01/26 11:49 PM
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It is mostly a place to vent or argue. I don't think anyone expects to get anything out of it other than entertainment. But as for if women's voices on the topic are valued, lol no. The only thing women have to say that's worth listening to on the topic are things they say to each other when their guard is down or if they're trying to insult you. Anything they'd say directly is just empty platitudes.
/r/PurplePillDebate20/01/26 08:19 PM
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This can all be minimal and it would still be more than a "nice man who treats them well".
/r/PurplePillDebate20/01/26 07:51 PM
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Be hot. Not every woman is gonna for it, but if they wanna fuck you they switch their brains off, you can do literally anything and it doesn't matter.
/r/PurplePillDebate20/01/26 07:46 PM
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I mean, no. 18 - 25 year olds aren't gonna like you if women in their 30s don't. I find it compelling that if you are a late bloomer who'd never been in a relationship in your 30s, you honestly would probably get on a lot better with a younger woman. Problem being, you probably aren't getting one so it doesn't matter.
/r/PurplePillDebate20/01/26 05:32 PM
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Nope, I've treated women I wasn't really all that into differently from women I was really into. Which is how I assume women act as well, which does not contradict the pattern you're arguing.
/r/PurplePillDebate20/01/26 05:12 PM
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People don't care about body shaming in general, they just don't want it to happen to them. If it was a woman they were opposed to they'd still insult her appearance. Generally principles aren't a real thing.
/r/PurplePillDebate20/01/26 04:58 PM
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You either gotta get more attractive or [removed by Reddit]
/r/PurplePillDebate20/01/26 03:15 PM
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That is what therapy would tell you though.
/r/PurplePillDebate20/01/26 02:38 PM
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That’s basically the only requirement for a guy: you need to be able to recognize attraction This is not difficult. The reason for the confusion is because people refuse to accept the possibility that they haven't met any women that find them attractive.
/r/PurplePillDebate20/01/26 02:22 PM
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Most bars and clubs are going to be mostly male. The ones women go to are gonna be full to bursting. Which is fine, but those aren't places for conversation. If you can't succeed on dating apps this doesn't help, as it's basically the same environment.
/r/PurplePillDebate20/01/26 02:15 PM
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Anyone who struggles on dating apps is gonna struggle in real life. But, the statement "women aren't as picky in real life" is kinda true because you can meet women in different contexts. However you do online is how you're gonna do in bars and clubs, it's the same thing. You're never going to gain any traction with women you don't know in any environment where there are more attractive dudes all around. However, in contexts where women are forced to interact with you, you might have a better ch…
/r/PurplePillDebate20/01/26 02:07 PM
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I can understand the fear, if it exists, but literal porn stars get snapped up for marriage all the time. There's basically nothing a woman can do that would take her completely out of the dating market. Besides that, hookups are happening. Some guys have a lot of hookups, most guys have none. I can't say how many women are involved. But, I don't think they're really stopping.
/r/PurplePillDebate19/01/26 11:08 PM
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It's easier to get a monogamous relationship than it is to get a hookup. A man who can get hookups can get into a relationship easily. A man that can't would probably need to struggle more, but most men do eventually get into relationships. For most men no woman isn't going to have sex with him without the promise of exclusivity. They just aren't desirable enough to have sex with, without further strings attached.
/r/PurplePillDebate19/01/26 10:38 PM
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Women do not get railed even though it’s easy They absolutely do lol. The only reason they don't do it more is because they find suitably attractive men so irregularly
/r/PurplePillDebate19/01/26 07:35 PM
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By woman's logic they don't see them as people either. They just wanna fuck them.
/r/PurplePillDebate19/01/26 07:26 PM
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It's both. You definitely feel emotions about your favorite foods. Physiological and psychological are not easy things to separate. The only experience you know is of your body.
/r/PurplePillDebate19/01/26 07:23 PM
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isnt like they cant go pay for it You have to get lucky and find one that'll fuck you for only a couple 100. Most attractive hookers are gonna run you thousands. So strictly speaking most men probably really can't pay for it.
/r/PurplePillDebate19/01/26 07:20 PM
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A core wound I'm gonna carry until the day I die was trying to make small talk with a girl I had a crush on, I ask some basic question like "how's the job going?" and she answers then turns to a much more attractive guy in our group and says "how about you, how's your job going". Don't ever let women gaslight you into thinking they see men as people.
/r/PurplePillDebate19/01/26 06:52 PM
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I understand what you're saying but, I feel like it's possible for me to learn French. However, I still feel comfortable using the phrase "I can't speak French". A guy could be 6'3 Adonis, but if for whatever reason he doesn't know how to initiate a hookup, then he can't get hookups. He can't be in the hookup bubble.
/r/PurplePillDebate19/01/26 06:46 PM
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If they don't know how to get casual sex then they aren't in the hookup bubble, I didn't make that assumption at all.
/r/PurplePillDebate19/01/26 06:39 PM
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The women are wrong though. If anything the bubble is the other way. "Hookup material" bubble is within the "husband material bubble". There are far more men that can find monogamous relationships than can get hookups. Plus, for various reasons women say they wouldn't have hooked up with their eventual husbands, even though they've had other hookups. I've never heard of a man who can hookup but can't find a monogamous relationship, that's a female struggle.
/r/PurplePillDebate19/01/26 06:34 PM
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I could have turned any of the hooks ups into relationships instantly I don't think that's uncommon. Most women are hoping for a relationship when they have sex, no matter what they say.
/r/PurplePillDebate19/01/26 06:27 PM
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It’s easy for women to get railed by guys that are not really interested in them. Yay. Guess what, you can get your dick sucked anytime you like by a gay fella. If they weren't attracted to them they wouldn't get railed by them. Unless you're trying to say either 1)Women don't enjoy sex with people they're attracted to or 2)Sex is just their bartering chip for a relationship, I don't know what the point is.
/r/PurplePillDebate19/01/26 06:12 PM
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If women want an equivalent experience they should try to date millionaires, that is in effect the same process. I know it's gonna be denied for the sake of argument but presumably dating a millionaire is the better than dating a non-millionaire.
/r/PurplePillDebate19/01/26 05:59 PM
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But, it doesn't work like that though. In reality she would have swiped left on 100 guys and picked you. Why wouldn't you want to be that guy?
/r/PurplePillDebate19/01/26 05:47 PM
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oh wait, that already happens. That doesn't happen. For obvious reasons being raped by a stranger on the street is exceedingly rare.
/r/PurplePillDebate19/01/26 05:25 PM
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Worrying about N couhts is stupid, by traditional standards we (yes, me and every single one of you) are all whores. If you're worried about competing with a woman's past partner's, how the hell do you think you're gonna compete against the men in her imagination. If anything, you should prefer a woman who knows what's out there and is choosing you. This idea that you're gonna be a woman's first only and best love is cute, but it's not realistic.
/r/PurplePillDebate19/01/26 09:45 AM
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A choice for you . You can keep your wit charm and empathy, but you gain 300lbs and gain a nasty scar, or you can lose all these virtues and get just a tiny bit prettier. Which do you think is better for your dating prospects? Whichever you choose, take my word for it, it's the same for men. We are the same, let's not pretend otherwise.
/r/PurplePillDebate19/01/26 08:38 AM
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I think I have much more to offer, im funny, witty, smart, a shoulder to lean on, supportive. Oh look, a list of things nobody cares about. To be clear women are the same. It's all about sex appeal.
/r/PurplePillDebate19/01/26 08:24 AM
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I mean, you're just right. People are disposable. It's only being raised on Walt Disney bullshit that makes people push back on this.
/r/PurplePillDebate19/01/26 08:01 AM
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or getting a date and a relationship? Stop talking. I've had relationships. I've fucked bitches. They don't give a fuck about anything other than if your looks make their pussy wet. I remember the first time, I was trying to bond with a girl and she clearly didn't give a fuck what I had to say, she just was waiting for me to shut up so we could fuck. I did kind of gain empathy for women when they say men don't care about them as people. But, also furthered my understanding that they're hypocriti…
/r/PurplePillDebate19/01/26 07:50 AM
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Uhuh , I believe you. You look at a single 35 year old guy and think "man this is a guy with a great Life". You've met so many. To be fair, too probably don't think about them at all lol. But, it does make your earlier statement kind of void.
/r/PurplePillDebate19/01/26 07:33 AM
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Idk about most, I haven't studied it. Women will sleep with men on the first date/first interaction, if the attraction is strong enough. Idk if it's all women, but it's enough to question if you're just the backup plan.
/r/PurplePillDebate19/01/26 07:23 AM
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I never once thought that man is a looser because he was single. Me when I lie. Look you would think he's a loser regardless, IDK why we have to pretend.
/r/PurplePillDebate19/01/26 07:17 AM
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If you spend the majority of your waking hours with someone how could your relationship just be about sex. Obviously you are gonna bond over other things. The question is, why are you even spending so much time with this person, and the answer is because you like having sex with them. Hookups and sugar babies are for the minority of men, relationships are how most men have sex. Idk why people are pretending not to get that.
/r/PurplePillDebate19/01/26 07:14 AM
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Been touching grass enough now. Every woman here is full of shit. Look good enough and you can talk to every girl in a bar and completely ignore your date. They'll still fuck you. Then they'll cry lmao. Every guy needs to be friends with an honest to goodness Chad, so that they realize most women don't actually have any standards for how you treat them lol.
/r/PurplePillDebate19/01/26 07:10 AM
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I know plenty of trophy partners, but not one of them lacks above average social skills. Social interactions as an attractive person are just much easier. When people will initiate conversations and will just decide whatever you have to say is important and intelligent then it takes a lot less social navigation. I'm not saying you're wrong, but when you look at the social interactions of anyone who would be called a "trophy", you do have to keep that in mind.
/r/PurplePillDebate19/01/26 03:00 AM
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They really should explicitly add the "and be attractive" to statements. When they say "care about their personalities", they really just mean to have a conversation about something other than sex while they are attracted to you. They don't actually mean get to know them. The act of asking them out probably accomplishes this standard of "getting to know their personalities", so that's enough.
/r/PurplePillDebate19/01/26 02:55 AM
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Some of them. Do you like women as people? Why don't you partner with them? I assume because you are sexually attracted to men.
/r/PurplePillDebate19/01/26 02:11 AM
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Women are the same. If you didn't want to have sex with him you could just be friends, doubtless you have male friends. If you want a partnership, another woman would make a better partner, since you probably have had closer relationships with women your whole life. You choose a man because sex.
/r/PurplePillDebate19/01/26 02:09 AM
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The relationship being primarily about sex does not preclude you liking your partner. Additionally, in all likelihood it is the only realistic way you can have sex. I ask again, why not have these partnerships with men instead? For most men their closest friendships for most of their lives have probably been with other men. It seems unlikely that for so many, the person they enjoy spending time with the most, to the point of total life integration just happened to be a woman. It's because of sex…
/r/PurplePillDebate19/01/26 02:06 AM
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Yeah, men get into romantic relationships primarily for sex, I don't see why that's a bad thing, or what else we're expecting. Largely if men want sex relationships are the cost. If relationships weren't primarily about sex, there's really no reason they'd be with a person of the opposite sex and with only one person. If all you want is companionship/partnership, men probably have better and deeper relationships on average with other men than they do with women, so why else would they seek women…
/r/PurplePillDebate18/01/26 11:37 PM
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Desirable single men are called bachelors to be fair. For the most part single men are called "losers".
/r/PurplePillDebate18/01/26 06:46 PM
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Well, you're right. But, raising your standards is in contention with the pressure to be in a relationship. So while yes, nobody is pressuring men to be in relationships with people they don't want to be with. They are pressured into being in relationships in general, which can pressure them into choosing things less than ideal. Not necessarily gendered, but I would say women, on average are considered more desirable to the opposite sex than men are, and thus do have a bit more latitude to selec…
/r/PurplePillDebate18/01/26 06:36 PM
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It would be a struggle. If it were happening, "not a common struggle" to mean not commonly experienced.
/r/PurplePillDebate17/01/26 06:56 PM
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First of all, have you seen these guys on dates? No, but I've been out in mixed gendered groups. If there's a gender that leads conversations, it's the males. Imagine thinking getting a date means doing fine. Unless it's dudes only date for the year, then yes getting dates means you're doing fine, and if it is his only date for the year, then the real explanation is that he's not practiced. Going out on a bunch of first dates, but being unable to get a second, is not a common male struggle.
/r/PurplePillDebate17/01/26 06:40 PM
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I find it so hard to believe this is a real problem. Men are usually the ones leading the conversation I've found. Additionally, these are the men getting the dates, these aren't the men with problems. So no, this is not an example of men's problems being self-inflicted. These are the men who are doing fine.
/r/PurplePillDebate17/01/26 06:26 PM
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an ugly woman should be appreciative that i did her a favor dating her despite shes ugly and unworthy of me” Replace "woman" with "man" in this sentence and it's a popular sentiment. What's wrong if a man thinks the same?
/r/PurplePillDebate17/01/26 06:10 PM
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You can't use sex timeline as a metric for men. That means nothing (and you know it). If he really wanted to marry his last girlfriend after 3 months, but made you wait 10 years that would be more analogous.
/r/PurplePillDebate17/01/26 03:41 PM
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Pleasure is not unrelated to the attractiveness of a partner. We gotta stop coping. A big part of pleasure is psychological otherwise we'd all just masturbate.
/r/PurplePillDebate13/01/26 09:28 PM
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For the record, women focus on the same things.
/r/PurplePillDebate13/01/26 09:24 PM
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It is lol. It's a competition.
/r/PurplePillDebate13/01/26 09:19 PM
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How difficult should it be? Just as a rule nobody cares about other people's struggles with their sex life. If you don't have a sex life, you're a loser, and nobody cares about losers. Really should count yourself lucky it's not harder. If monogamy weren't the preferred relationship mode of women. Every woman you know would basically be fucking the same 5 dudes.
/r/PurplePillDebate13/01/26 09:05 PM
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It's not a thing. It's just a thinly veiled insult.
/r/PurplePillDebate13/01/26 06:50 PM
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False. Women will ask you out if you're good looking. Granted you can turn them off by being timid or socially awkward. But, if you're biggest hurdle is getting dates then good looks are enough.
/r/PurplePillDebate12/01/26 11:22 AM
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Sure, but the "feeling desired" bit, probably isn't going to happen. He can pay a woman to pretend to desire him, but realistically that's as close as it's gonna get.
/r/PurplePillDebate11/01/26 08:16 PM
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Women dress how they dress because they think it looks good. Looking good does have general advantages besides getting a man's attention. People will just treat you with more respect in general. If you want to call BS on something, call it on them dressing for comfort. Some of the skimpy shit I've seen women wearing in the freezing cold is crazy to me.
/r/PurplePillDebate11/01/26 07:56 PM
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I don't know if it's just me, or because of where I live, but when I go out, I rarely see women I think are unattractive. Maybe if I count women who are significantly older than me, but that's it. Looks being the primary feature by which mates are selected it does make it hard to find someone suitable, when all the women are too good looking. I'm starting to suspect uggos don't go outside as much, which makes perfect sense.
/r/PurplePillDebate11/01/26 07:49 PM
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Then you'd potentially still be with the other guy, who is clearly a second choice and thus a lowered standard in this scenario.
/r/PurplePillDebate10/01/26 06:27 PM
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If siblings are gonna engage in incest then there's already sexual feelings, the unit been poisoned.
/r/PurplePillDebate10/01/26 06:09 PM
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It's good that you're happy in your relationship, but I'm sure you know lots of people that aren't, or who are just kinda "ok" with their partner. Just is what it is, looks can not be everything to you and it's still just the truth, not everyone can get lucky. I was immediately attracted to him because we connected so well and understood each other’s humor and perspective. Ok, and what if he wasn't interested? What if he was already married to someone else who gets his humor? Or someone who didn…
/r/PurplePillDebate10/01/26 06:04 PM
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Why on earth would I settle? To be miserable and divorced after two kids and a mortgage? Yeah it's common, I see you're familiar. People eventually want to be in relationships and to paraphrase Mark Manson, at some point you have to accept you're never gonna squeeze Jennifer Aniston's tits. You can be single, or maybe you can get lucky, but either way, not everyone is gonna get what they would have imagined out of a partner.
/r/PurplePillDebate10/01/26 05:58 PM
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Exactly, it's not rape so a woman also decided. It wasn't a unilateral decision. If the man has consented to the possibility of a baby, then so has the woman.
/r/PurplePillDebate10/01/26 04:58 PM
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My argument implies that a man has 100% agency over his baby-making juice and where it goes. Well not 100%, generally unless we're talking about rape, there's a woman involved in deciding where the baby making juice goes. He didn't make the decision by himself.
/r/PurplePillDebate10/01/26 04:54 PM
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Nope, nothing I can do about it.
/r/PurplePillDebate10/01/26 04:47 PM
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I feel he's being a little aggressive, but he's naturally correct. The shower advice, or in your case to clean your fingernails is gonna be identified through a little observation bias. Given your complaint you could say men are having trouble because they don't pay attention to their hygiene. But, the man who pays attention to his hygiene, but doesn't get the date isn't observed. Thus, the problem is misidentified as hygiene, when the real problem is something else
/r/PurplePillDebate10/01/26 03:59 PM
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Yeah, female disinterest is pretty universal for men at some point in their life. Usually younger, but older too, if you haven't managed to become a more attractive prospect in the time.
/r/PurplePillDebate10/01/26 03:53 PM
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I wish there was a way to communicate this experience to women so they could understand. Approaching women is pointless, and if it's not pointless for you, then you already know it, and do approach women. Try to talk to a strange woman without like a really good reason to and see the look of disgust, experience the conversations that are like pulling teeth as you try to come up with anything to say that she'll respond with more than one word to. If you touch grass enough, you'll know some women …
/r/PurplePillDebate10/01/26 03:36 PM
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I think lots of people are more likely to go in the other direction and make the date conversation sound like an interrogation, give all the advice to ask questions that floats around everywhere.
/r/PurplePillDebate10/01/26 03:27 PM
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For most people it's inevitable. For the sake of happy relationships it's better to just pretend otherwise. But, most people aren't going to be fortunate enough to be dating their absolute first choice, nor even someone they're absolutely head over heels about. Most people are probably just gonna date someone "good enough" that they like well enough. If people all held out for exactly what they initially imagined their partner would be like, there'd be a lot fewer relationships in general.
/r/PurplePillDebate10/01/26 03:19 PM
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I agree with you, it's really easy to tell when women are interested. It's to the point that they are really the ones making the first move, even if they want you to actually articulate the interest. I've never had any luck at all with any woman where it wasn't immediately obvious they were interested.
/r/PurplePillDebate10/01/26 06:19 AM
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Women aren't really open to talking to strange men anyway, unless they're like Adonis. I go out to bars all the time, there are only a couple ways I've learned to get women to talk to me and it's either by being around my more attractive friend or by being around women. Otherwise they are just gonna want me to leave.
/r/PurplePillDebate10/01/26 06:13 AM
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Even if you're not hot, if s woman is attracted to you 50/50 she ain't listening to shit you have to say. She's just waiting for you to shut up and fuck. Most of their complaints about men are straight projection I've found btw.
/r/PurplePillDebate10/01/26 05:49 AM
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The conversation is about the nice guy mindset of "Women wont fuck me because I'm nice and they only want assholes" Men who say this are wrong. Them being nice, or thinking they're nice has nothing to do with why women won't fuck them. But, the opposite is also true, people who say things like "maybe women would fuck you if you treated them like people" are also incorrect. Being an asshole doesn't have anything to do with it either. People pleasing behavior that is being called "nice", however i…
/r/PurplePillDebate10/01/26 03:41 AM
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Only tangentially related, but I've never heard any men express this, and it's the opposite problem. When I touch grass, I find all the women are too attractive. I have to find where the uggos hang out, none of these chicks are gonna date me.
/r/PurplePillDebate10/01/26 02:25 AM
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For the record, there's no straight man that would go to 9 dating events and find none of the women attractive. The closest analog you're gonna find is men complaining about fat women or single moms.
/r/PurplePillDebate10/01/26 02:22 AM
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Second, what do you want this woman to do - date someone she's not attracted to? Fake it? Settle? In all likelihood, that is what she's gonna do eventually. She may as well figure it out sooner.
/r/PurplePillDebate10/01/26 02:05 AM
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People can want anything, and of course, you don't have to date anyone. But, if you yourself are not attractive, then dating someone you find attractive is probably not realistic. It can happen of course, but probably not. Everyone wants to date attractive people, including attractive people, the variance in what people find attractive is really not that great. Dating nobody is an option, but if you do want a partner, like most people do, unattractive people would have to have low standards. Not…
/r/PurplePillDebate10/01/26 01:59 AM
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"Hey girl. You aren't attractive so you cant expect to find a man you find attractive" Absolutely nobody would have any qualms about saying this to a man. Like men and women should be allowed to want a partner they find attractive enough to have sex with Agreed here, the real difference is that men generally find greater portions of the female population attractive enough to have sex with.
/r/PurplePillDebate10/01/26 12:13 AM
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No way as a woman can i just look at a hot man and instantly want sex Not a big night life person, huh?
/r/PurplePillDebate09/01/26 12:49 AM
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I don't disagree with what you're saying, but the OP is explicitly suggesting these courtship rituals as a strategy because it makes women horny. That notion is what I'm disagreeing with. Because it's just flat out not true. If a woman had any interest in being in a relationship with you, you would know it without having to wine and dine her, the post ends up being an encouragement to spend money on women for what is effectively no reason.
/r/PurplePillDebate09/01/26 12:41 AM
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Right, but if it doesn't make her like you, then it's not really much of a strategy. As a filter for men pretending to want a relationship, I don't really see how it works. If all women put up that barrier for all men, then it just becomes the price of sex. Go to a strip club any Friday night and you'll see dozens of men spending 100s of dollars just for a woman to pretend they're into them for 15 minutes, I don't know why you think, dinner and an Uber is such a high barrier. Granted all women w…
/r/PurplePillDebate09/01/26 12:26 AM
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Fine, and she can do that over coffee, going to a chic restaurant and spending $150 on dinner and drinks is not an "effective strategy" as the OP suggests. My point is that it's not really going to make a difference, either she's into you or she's not.
/r/PurplePillDebate08/01/26 10:03 PM
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I do agree they are more likely to just say no than go out with a man for a fancy meal. But, there are still plenty that will go out just for the money you're spending. There's also plenty that will themselves suggest something more expensive if you offer something like coffee or something. At any rate, it doesn't matter. If she wanted you, you wouldn't have to do it.
/r/PurplePillDebate08/01/26 09:12 PM
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She decided whether or not she likes you within the first few seconds of meeting you. Whether or not she'll want to be in a relationship with you might be a different question, but a fancy date isn't going to change the answer. Just go for coffee or drinks, anything else is just wasting your money.
/r/PurplePillDebate08/01/26 09:00 PM
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Correct and if she likes how you look, it's not going to matter if you spend $600 on a restaurant or just pick up a couple beers at the nearest Irish pub, or just go for a walk in the park. You aren't going to need to bribe her to spend time with you, and if you have to bribe her to spend time with you, then you're just wasting your money, she doesn't want you
/r/PurplePillDebate08/01/26 08:24 PM
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Plenty of men who just want sex will go through any kind of courtship you can imagine, not even because they're trying to trick you, but just because that's the social script they've been trained to follow, and on top of that you also have to contend with the ones who are trying to trick you. The men who don't expect they'd have to wine and dine you to get sex are in the minority, and most of them are probably gonna get sex anyway. Courtship doesn't tell you anything except that the man is willi…
/r/PurplePillDebate08/01/26 06:04 PM
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You’re probably operating with the assumption that women see a guy and immediately decide if they’re attracted to him but that’s not how a lot of women work. That's exactly how women work. I don’t expect him to plan and pay more than myself. Maybe you don't, but OP does.
/r/PurplePillDebate08/01/26 05:29 PM
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I don't think anyone really wins anyone over. I get not wanting to date someone you think is boring, but that's a little different from only wanting to spend time with a person if he's planning and paying for a date. That would be the equivalent of him only wanting to spend time with you when he wants to have sex
/r/PurplePillDebate08/01/26 05:18 PM
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The way to know if there's a baseline attraction, is the look on her face the 2 seconds she looks at you lol
/r/PurplePillDebate08/01/26 05:16 PM
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If she even matched with you on the app, then she likes you enough for you to just go on a coffee date or whatever, it'll be fine. Women make it really easy when they want you, in my experience at least, if you ever feel like you have to go on expensive dates for her to spend time with you, then you might as well be lighting the money on fire, because she doesn't want you
/r/PurplePillDebate08/01/26 04:40 PM
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You're not wrong that women like these things, but generally if she doesn't like you, fancy courtship rituals aren't gonna change her mind and if she likes you, then she'll still date you without you doing all that. Thus, the incentive is low. Some men are still going to do it, because it's their nature, and some men are going to do it because they think it'll help. But, from a results based perspective it doesn't matter. You can feed a woman candlelight dinners till she explodes, that's not gon…
/r/PurplePillDebate08/01/26 04:35 PM
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She basically disappears from your life Men tend to do the same thing when they get girlfriends to be fair, especially at younger ages, when they get their first couple girlfriends.
/r/PurplePillDebate08/01/26 01:57 PM
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Nothing wrong with being "friends" with women, like you said they can be useful socially, people want to be around women, so going out with women can help expand your social circle. But, you just have to keep in mind female "friends" usually aren't your friends really. You can hang out and have fun, sure. But, they're around for the good times, if you're struggling just remember you can really only have male friends.
/r/PurplePillDebate08/01/26 01:46 PM
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When I started lifting weights in about 2013 weight rooms used to basically be empty. These days you gotta fight for dumbbells. Lifting weights is definitely way more popular now than it was even 10 years ago, even if it's still not the majority of people.
/r/PurplePillDebate08/01/26 01:20 PM
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Because he's horny lol. Is what it is.
/r/PurplePillDebate08/01/26 01:41 AM
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I never said the experience of being used for sex was solely a woman’s one. I just assumed, since the post is about male attention, from where I stand women's attention isn't for different reasons, it's just less frequent. Anyone who’s passionate about anything knows the joy of being able to talk about that certain thing, regardless of what someone looks like Perhaps my statement was a bit too strong, but that's on me. To try to better express what I mean, a man you aren't mutually interested in…
/r/PurplePillDebate07/01/26 09:12 PM
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But you wouldn’t be liked, appreciated or wanted. Your loves, hates, fears, talents, flaws, humour, history, kindness... none of that comes into play. This is true for everyone. When dealing with the opposite sex nobody cares at all if they don't like how you look. If a dude takes interest in your hobbies or whatever, you're not going to be very inclined to share if you don't like how he looks. And in fairness to you, he probably wouldn't care if he didn't like how you looked, but it's the same …
/r/PurplePillDebate07/01/26 06:05 PM
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The person being physically attracted to you is the main thing. Outside that, interacting with a friends girlfriend is going to be a lot easier than interacting with a woman you'd like to date. There's less pressure and you have a friend implicitly vouching for you, so she's going to make it easier for you to get to know each other. In other situations, you do have to get across the barrier of her having her guard up such that it's even possible for you to get to know each other, which is either…
/r/PurplePillDebate07/01/26 04:10 PM
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Scenario 1 is more common, it's rarely going to come as a surprise to women when their male friends are interested. She was fine with the status quo, he's the one who wants to change things.
/r/PurplePillDebate06/01/26 03:35 AM
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You're looking at old people and calling them ugly. You go outside to places where young, single people hangout and then say the same tell me this is true lol. Go to a bar, a club, just walk around your city.
/r/PurplePillDebate05/01/26 10:47 PM
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Maybe. I think the difficulty differential has more to do with attractiveness than gender, but since women are generally seen as more attractive than men are, it is generally going to be easier for women. And I do mean this about life in general.
/r/PurplePillDebate05/01/26 09:31 PM
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Women will overlook appearance and date an ugly man Lol, no they won't. Not unless he's paying her or something. Nobody wants to date someone they don't find attractive.
/r/PurplePillDebate05/01/26 09:25 PM
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They can also change their mind or get cold feet. It's not necessarily that they weren't attracted to you. They aren't going to tell you if that's the case, of course.
/r/PurplePillDebate05/01/26 08:36 PM
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The reason birthrates are falling is because having kids sucks and women have more options now for finding meaning in life. Young women want to thrive in their career, and travel or just have fun. They don't want to be weighed down. Most women I know want to have kids "one day". And "one day" translates to they'll maybe have one eventually. I don't think men are super excited about having kids either, because everyone knows having kids sucks.
/r/PurplePillDebate05/01/26 06:54 PM
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As opposed to other types of women who like boring wall flowers. Honestly based on this reply, I think you're wrong and all women want the same things.
/r/PurplePillDebate05/01/26 05:10 AM
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The irony there is that since most men are straight, even if a man were to do this, it would still be harder for him to find a gay "sugar daddy" than it is for a woman to find a straight one. So here it's still harder for men lol
/r/PurplePillDebate05/01/26 04:44 AM
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I don't see how you can actually disagree with what I said. If nobody wants to have sex with you, you can't have a relationship. This means women generally have an easier time finding someone to date. If nobody wanted to "use your body", you'd stay single forever.
/r/PurplePillDebate05/01/26 04:23 AM
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A prerequisite to dating someone is they need to want to have sex with you. If more people want to have sex with you, you have more people who may want to be in a relationship with you.
/r/PurplePillDebate05/01/26 03:46 AM
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It's because those men can't attract women and are thus just trying to get with any woman that pays them any attention, so their friends. If they showed instant interest that would be viewed negatively too. Women however, don't need to do this, they can engage with the opposite sex however they want and it doesn't matter.
/r/PurplePillDebate05/01/26 03:10 AM
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They're mostly talking about dating. Dating is easier for women, it is really impossible to argue otherwise. There are other benefits that those particular men don't have that they would be jealous about. People are generally nicer and considerate of women and financially women don't have the same expectation to provide for a family. Even in the modern day, where generally both parents work in a relationship, the expectations are not the same. If a man loses his job he's a bum and nobody wants h…
/r/PurplePillDebate04/01/26 09:20 PM
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I don't think men in the 1900s - 1980s were necessarily living like "Chads". If you think they were then I suppose you'd have a point. But, I suspect your impression of what men were like in this period is colored more by media than reality. At any rate we'd also have to accept that women wouldn't still gravitate towards whatever the top of the hierarchy is. I can't say that as a fact that women will necessarily always select based on hierarchy rather than absolutes, but given women's tendencies…
/r/PurplePillDebate03/01/26 04:58 AM
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I wonder why these particular wants are so frequently ignored in order to portray women as uniquely entitled; Part of the reason is that everyone knows they're never gonna get it. For a lot of the men you're going to run into on this board, and probably in the wider world to a lesser extent, what they want just doesn't matter because they don't have any negotiating power. They can't have a harem or a physical type or values that they look for. None of that matters and everyone knows it. They jus…
/r/PurplePillDebate03/01/26 04:36 AM
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According to your thesis they don't get past step 1, so of course they wouldn't. If you ask me, most men aren't going to be good looking enough to actually have a meaningful chance with any woman that is very demanding, so for most men they just need a woman that likes how they look. All these demands scale together, they are probably not going to get past step 1 for any woman that would give them a hard time on 2-5
/r/PurplePillDebate03/01/26 04:13 AM
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Nope, absolutely not lol This is one of those beliefs that comes from media, that's not real life.
/r/PurplePillDebate02/01/26 04:53 AM
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Lots of men didn't like women learning science. Did that stop them? In the context of relationships what women want matters more than anything else. If women don't like it, there's no fight to be had, they won't be in relationships with you, unless you want to regulate who women can choose to be in relationships with.
/r/PurplePillDebate31/12/25 07:03 PM
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Men are expected to provide for women. Times are tough and opportunities are fewer, so more women are going to be happy to take on that traditional gender role. When times are easier and opportunities are more plentiful they'll all want to be independent girl-bosses. It's just whatever is currently convenient for women. They are the more in demand half of heterosexual relationships, so they get to set the terms. I do think men are actually raised to prefer the role of protector/provider anyway.
/r/PurplePillDebate31/12/25 06:57 PM
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I meant single mothers have larger pools than single fathers. But, you do have to keep in mind that because all women are pickier, the number of suitors in the dating pool that a single mother would actually date could be pretty limited, at least compared to what they are used to. Sorry, I could have been clearer.
/r/PurplePillDebate31/12/25 03:23 PM
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Probably bigger. But, since women are generally pickier, they may have to start considering men they'd never consider if they didn't have kids.
/r/PurplePillDebate31/12/25 02:17 PM
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It's going to depend on how you define "good man", but in my opinion no matter how you define "good man", the looks/height thing is the bigger limiting factor. I don't know if there are truly very many men that meet the average woman's standard of a good man, maybe there aren't, but however many there are, most of them get thrown out because of the looks, height, etc. So it's a perception difference, effectively if a woman says she wants a "good man", a lot of the men you're talking to are able …
/r/PurplePillDebate29/12/25 06:12 AM
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The phrase "full members of the human race" doesn't mean anything that's why it's falling flat. "Basic humanity" is also nebulous. In your context you're trying to say we shouldn't be frustrated when people don't act the way we expect because we should respect their free will. I guess that's true, but not actionable. If you're on the job hunt and HR decides to keep dumping your resume, doubtless you would feel frustrated also. HR has the same rights and free will anyone does, but I don't know yo…
/r/PurplePillDebate27/12/25 12:52 AM
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Sure, you could watch that, or you can watch the redpill content. If you already understood then I don't know why you acted confused as to what dating problems middle schoolers have.
/r/PurplePillDebate25/12/25 05:37 PM
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Middle school is definitely old enough to realize if girls have no interest in you. It does make sense that they'd be questioning why that was the case at that age.
/r/PurplePillDebate25/12/25 03:08 PM
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Women would if they could the problems they'll run into: They can't help themselves. They want sex and have a hard time denying themselves when presented with a man they're attracted to. Withholding sex works best on men who can't just have sex with another woman. Which, naturally is going to be men who aren't very popular with women to begin with. For the most part they don't want anything from those men anyway. In the cases where there is something you want from them, then sure go ahead.
/r/PurplePillDebate23/12/25 06:33 PM
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Just fucking hookers isn't viable unless you're like a millionaire. Plus, given most people do eventually end up in relationships, it must be true that women eventually settle as well. Most men's experience of dating is that they get no attention until they do.
/r/PurplePillDebate22/12/25 02:48 PM
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There is nothing that will "work". It does just seem to be natural, woman being the more selective of the genders, men do have to on some level take what they can get (everyone does, but men have less latitude). It's just something men have to do on these apps. If men stopped doing this, it doesn't change the fact that most men's profiles aren't going to get more than a glance and an immediate dismissal.
/r/PurplePillDebate22/12/25 05:53 AM
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The green ones largely don't match either. A blue one might match. Overlooked in the profile, matched by accident, just liked a picture. It might happen, and if you get an opportunity to talk to a person you can maybe get them to go on a date with you. If you just wait exclusively for green marbles, the dating app just becomes a slideshow of women, people do at some point hope to interact with a person on there.
/r/PurplePillDebate22/12/25 05:39 AM
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I mean sure, but the problem is the majority of the green ones aren't going to be interested. You can hold out for a green one, but realistically you might just have to take a blue one if you can get it. As an example: If you don't want kids, and so you're looking for a woman who also doesn't want kids, after enough radio silence you might just have to consider having kids. Considering most of the women who want kids also aren't going to match/respond/ever meet you, you do have to either shoot y…
/r/PurplePillDebate22/12/25 05:15 AM
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Men, just can't be super selective on these apps the way you're describing. Match rates are very low. If you only swipe on women you think you have a fair amount in common with based on their bios. I promise your expected number of matches within a month is 0. I get the argument that it's a waste of time, but presumably people want to go on dates when they use dating apps, thus the wider nets men tend to cast. It's not much different out in the physical world.
/r/PurplePillDebate22/12/25 05:03 AM
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There really isn't a choice though. At least not if men want to use the apps at all. Realistically using the apps the way women do it basically guarantees a man will never get a match.
/r/PurplePillDebate22/12/25 04:57 AM
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I'm not really arguing all that. My argument is simply that women are pickier. You're arguing that women are pickier because of the social repercussions, but simply cannot be the whole truth. If that's the case, why would women be sexually active with anyone at all? The social repercussions don't disappear when the man has nice cheek bones do they? To my understanding women are simply not aroused by most men, that isn't their fault, it just is what it is. If the stigma around promiscuity in wome…
/r/PurplePillDebate22/12/25 03:26 AM
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Depends on your circles. But, that's not why they're pickier, or at least not the whole reason as you've presented.
/r/PurplePillDebate22/12/25 03:16 AM
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Sure, don't disagree. All I was saying was that your reason for women being pickier was a little fallacious. Yes, I'm sure you're put off by men's attitudes, but also you didn't want them anyway, so it doesn't really work as an explanation.
/r/PurplePillDebate22/12/25 03:13 AM
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Sure, that's probably part of it. But, also they just don't find most men very attractive, so that's kind of moot. I know you would like to frame it as a consequence of male driven attitudes, but all that you said, even if accepted as true, is irrelevant.
/r/PurplePillDebate22/12/25 03:07 AM
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Both are more important for men. Women are just pickier and more judgemental than men are. The idea that "we all" know of pairings between unattractive men and attractive women is just untrue. It comes from 2 things in my opinion: It takes a lot more to be considered attractive as a man, so when you see an "unattractive man" with an attractive woman, the man is in all likelihood still mogging the majority of men she could realistically be dating and the woman is probably not all that attractive,…
/r/PurplePillDebate22/12/25 02:39 AM
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You jest, but has Doris the crackhead tried Tinder?
/r/PurplePillDebate21/12/25 07:12 PM
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I can only speak for myself, but I know 99% chance she wouldn't be interested in talking to me (unless I was with a woman or a more attractive friend), so I wouldn't even try to talk to her. I assume most men have the same perception, so they aren't gonna try to talk to her either. Plus "We chose the bear" is a clear "fuck off" message, and it's not like women didn't mean it, the only reason she's complaining is she probably saw some guy she likes and instead of getting up and talking to him, sh…
/r/PurplePillDebate21/12/25 05:24 PM
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Depending on your problem all therapy can do is tell you to push it down and ignore it. If you're a loser then you're a loser, all therapy can do is tell you to focus on other things and pretend it doesn't matter.
/r/PurplePillDebate21/12/25 05:14 PM
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The extro obviously. But, I will say the two things aren't unrelated. More attractive men get more invites to parties and more positive reactions from social interactions and thus are more likely to enjoy those things more. A man going to a party, just to fight one word responses out of women, isn't likely to like them as much. A less attractive man could still like parties and whatever, but naturally they wouldn't like them as an outlet to get laid, since that's unlikely to happen.
/r/PurplePillDebate21/12/25 05:06 PM
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Ok, but those seem like 2 different things aren't they? It's not like women are very interested in most men as people either. If we want to redefine sexuality as being interested interpersonally with people you wish to have romantic relationships, then at best you could say women are still chad-sexual, and men are, what asexual? Even if we look at it this way, according to OP women are pretty willing to put up with poor quality, humiliating relationships, such as being a side piece if they are s…
/r/PurplePillDebate19/12/25 11:03 PM
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Ok, but those seem like 2 different things aren't they? It's not like women are very interested in most men as people either. If we want to redefine sexuality as being interested interpersonally with people you wish to have romantic relationships, then at best you could say women are still chad-sexual, and men are, what asexual? Even if we look at it this way, according to OP women are pretty willing to put up with poor quality, humiliating relationships, such as being a side piece if they are s…
/r/PurplePillDebate19/12/25 11:02 PM
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Sure, but when describing their sexuality I don't know how that matters. They want to fuck women because they're women, hence being straight. They could like women as people, but only want to fuck men, that would make them gay.
/r/PurplePillDebate19/12/25 09:50 PM
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You can say that, but this is just relabeling women as "dick in hole". I don't see what the difference is practically. We could relabel men as "dick" and the original statement still hold women aren't "dick"-sexual just Chad/chad-dick sexual. Not saying that's 100% true, I just don't see what your substitution changes.
/r/PurplePillDebate19/12/25 09:43 PM
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If she shares your gaze and even smiles a little or says hi, approach. The reason OP and those like him are confused is because nobody has ever been interested in them. I agree that it's usually pretty obvious, but people think that everyone should at some point get some amount of attention from the opposite sex, so they are looking for a secret or trick they are missing. But, they're just unattractive, none of the talking or thinking they do is gonna matter till they fix that.
/r/PurplePillDebate18/12/25 07:12 PM
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Why shouldn’t a man have kids? What if the wife wants kids really badly? She can find another husband, if the dude had plastic surgery, she doesn't want those kids anyway. I still think men’s health is paramount and trumps aesthetics. Trumps in what way? For finding a partner? Strongly disagree. If you mean, for like maintaining a relationship, probably, but it's moot if nobody wants you. What if he dies in a horrific long and drawn out way due to the roids and his wife has to look after him in …
/r/PurplePillDebate18/12/25 03:16 PM
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Idk, don't have kids? If you couldn't get a partner you weren't gonna have kids anyway. Whether or not health is more important is gonna depend on the person. I can see why some people might value their health more, but I do think living for "a good time, not a long time" is equally valid.
/r/PurplePillDebate18/12/25 03:02 PM
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will muscles and plastic surgery get a man a partner? By getting women to talk to you primarily, at that point maybe he can consider his personality problems. What if the girl finds out that this man has plastic surgery? Won’t she not want to have children with him? Maybe, risk he'd have to take, his alternative is to do nothing and just hope he eventually gets lucky. I understand men want to be buff, but what if the temptation is too great and they end up using roids? In all honesty, more men s…
/r/PurplePillDebate18/12/25 02:57 PM
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can men afford mental healthcare to improve their personalities Well, largely no. But, even if they could, it doesn't work like that. They'd be better off spending that money on a personal trainer and/or plastic surgery if what they want is a partner. I know we want personality to be the big limited factor, but most men who regularly get blown out by women, don't even really have conversations longer than a few words with women, the women don't know anything about their personalities because the…
/r/PurplePillDebate18/12/25 02:50 PM
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You probably couldn't afford to regularly visit prostitutes if it were legal. So, I doubt this would change dynamics much.
/r/PurplePillDebate18/12/25 02:45 PM
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It has nothing to do with where, or how. It's just who. I assume women like to rationalize their choices of partner based on how they approached, because if there's a correct way to go about it, then men failing are doing something wrong. But, the truth is, it doesn't matter what you do, if she likes you it's fine approach anywhere, in any way. Say hello in a supermarket or send a risky text after 10 years, it doesn't matter. If she doesn't like you, then anything you do is wrong, there's no cor…
/r/PurplePillDebate18/12/25 02:31 PM
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Yeah, you did imply it was random If someone isn’t into you it’s cause they’re not into you, it’s not cause you weren’t enough for them, in other words, even if you were “good enough” she wouldn’t be into you It's not her star sign, it's because you're not good enough for her (in her opinion, obviously). Maybe you'd be good enough for someone else, but you aren't good enough for this person you're giving attention to, surely.
/r/PurplePillDebate17/12/25 11:49 PM
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Whether or not she's into you isn't random lol. It's because she doesn't think you're good enough. If you're broke/fat/socially awkward/whatever you'll find that almost all women "aren't into you". Women do have their own preferences, of course, but if a man is getting caught up on singular women he happens to be friends with, it's because he's not good enough to get very much female attention and is thus devastated by the loss of one of the few possible women he could attempt to connect with. I…
/r/PurplePillDebate17/12/25 11:37 PM
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The system would emerge naturally if both sexes would naturally and without pressure fit into that system. I don't know if that follows. Predator/prey relationships are natural, but the prey do not naturally and without pressure fit into the predators stomach. The line between what is natural and not natural is blurry, you could argue anything humans do is natural as it emerges from nature. But your definition of nature is just one you concocted because it makes "patriarchy" unnatural, not an ob…
/r/PurplePillDebate17/12/25 01:42 AM
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It's a system that emerges naturally, so I'd argue it's natural. Human socialization is part of our nature. If anything I'd say a state that is enabled by modern convenience is more unnatural. While I agree, it is probably natural that some men wouldn't reproduce. I do think historically, more of those men would die, and women being more dependent on men for survival are forced to mate with the survivors (to a greater extent at least).
/r/PurplePillDebate17/12/25 01:29 AM
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Yeah, but the advice was "be confident", so he acts confident. If he changed the things he was insecure about he'd probably be more confident, but confidence here sounds like a side effect of being fit and accomplishing goals, and let's he real "accomplish goals" here, just means do things women find attractive/interesting.
/r/PurplePillDebate16/12/25 04:32 PM
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He's confident in his ability to play piano and mtg. When people say "be confident", they definitely mean "be confident in your interactions with women", so I don't know what your point is here.
/r/PurplePillDebate16/12/25 04:27 PM
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They just have to say that. The truth is you do kinda have to know your place when it comes to interactions with women. I started making a lot more female friends once I realized that there was 0 chance that most of them would be interested. I'm more comfortable and even confident interacting with them since I don't need to impress them, and once they get to know me, they tend to be more comfortable too. When you meet a woman, just imagine what you would look like as a couple and you'll know whe…
/r/PurplePillDebate16/12/25 04:23 PM
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In my opinion, I don't know if I'd even bother in my 40s. I get, that life can be lonely, but by 40, I imagine you'd be too used to flying solo to realistically be comfortable with a person you constantly have to report to. Younger men are probably more open to it, but even then a lot of them probably want to sleep around (or try to).
/r/PurplePillDebate16/12/25 03:19 PM
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So there never existed a confident virgin? So no sociable teenagers? Of course, but it's not unusual to be a virgin teenager. You can be a confident virgin, the question would be "how long can you stay a confident virgin?" I'd wager not forever. And you claim a single person can't have friends and socialize? Of course they can. Unconfident people can have friends and socialize too. I never challenged whether or not someone could socialize, just if they could be confident Friend groups and hobbie…
/r/PurplePillDebate16/12/25 01:44 AM
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I agree with that, but you specifically said "whether or not you get bitches" which is all I disagree with. You can go out and be social and even improve your relationships with women. But, at some point if you aren't actually dating you're going to have a hard time staying social, because dating is all around you. You can only be the third wheel for so long and while you can be the 35 year old at the club if you want, we can't pretend it's not looked down on. Beyond a certain age, a certain amo…
/r/PurplePillDebate16/12/25 01:27 AM
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Because a lot of men see no reason to be kind to women they don’t want to fuck. Well... most men aren't really going to receive kindness from women most of the time unless that woman wanted to fuck them. Part of it is the feedback from this, men mistake kindness for sexual interest, so women don't interact as warmly with men, thus on the rare occasion that men do receive kindness (or any kind of attention from women), they're prone to mistake it for romantic interest. Secondly, since men are lar…
/r/PurplePillDebate15/12/25 11:10 PM
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Because that's how you become a confident well rounded adult. By self improvement. Whether you get bitches in the process or not. Don't necessarily disagree, except you probably aren't going to be very confident socially if you don't/can't get bitches. When you practice your chosen skill/activity you'll become more confident in that area of life. But, romantic relationships are a big part of the human experience and being surrounded by them in social situations is inevitable. You can surely lear…
/r/PurplePillDebate15/12/25 10:44 PM
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Because status is a tool for getting female sexual attention, and female attention is a proxy for worth in the eyes of a redpillers and many others for that matter.
/r/PurplePillDebate13/12/25 01:05 PM
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Everyone has "relationships", when we're speaking specifically about romantic partnerships though, largely people choose partners of the sex they're attracted to. Despite most people having better relationships for most of their lives with people of the same sex. This isn't a coincidence, it's about sex primarily. If one party isn't in it for the sex, then the other is. If neither party wants sex, the relationship doesn't go past what we'd call friendship. These exist for sex.
/r/PurplePillDebate12/12/25 03:05 AM
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Sex is the primary reason anyone enters a relationship. People tend to have closer relationships with people of their own gender, yet straight people are going to choose someone of the opposite gender for a partner. Why? Because sex. That's really all there is to it at the end of the day, everything else is secondary.
/r/PurplePillDebate11/12/25 11:03 PM
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Sounds like where a lot of marriages end up anyway, except without all these guarantees, so why not. Love is a privilege, it's not a guarantee, lots of people never really get it.
/r/PurplePillDebate11/12/25 10:34 PM
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Has nothing to do with "where" and everything to do with "who" if she wants you then anywhere is appropriate, if she doesn't want you everywhere is inappropriate. Nothing you can do about it except attempt to be as attractive and charming as possible, and accept that if you're not ranked highly in one or both of those traits, you're likely to be seen as a nuisance if you attempt to engage in conversation with strange women in public, especially if you're trying to hit on them
/r/PurplePillDebate11/12/25 10:10 PM
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A dead woman could have an easy time finding dates. This really doesn't work as I see it The only way a woman could struggle to find a date is if she was hideous, so the opposite of what you're saying. Any woman below average and up will have no difficulty if they just want to go on dates. Their problem is more likely to be that they don't want to go on dates with whoever is available to them. If you're a passive man, I hope you don't think if the average woman would approach you if only they we…
/r/PurplePillDebate11/12/25 09:56 PM
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Are women so sure about who they would or wouldn't bone from the outset that they can't possibly imagine feelings developing over time? Generally they are yeah. While I agree that the "pretending to be a friend" thing is a little silly to say, since I don't think being a friend and wanting to bang them are mutually exclusive. I don't know that I've ever witnessed or experienced any sexual relationship formation that the woman wasn't obviously interested in within the first couple seconds of inte…
/r/PurplePillDebate09/12/25 04:37 PM
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Most men don't have very much capacity to protect nor the wisdom and knowledge to make good decisions for a country either. Even if women were completely dependent on their personal relationships with men for protection in some way, most of these men would be useless anyway. On a broader societal level, men are dependent on the protections from the government and society also.
/r/PurplePillDebate08/12/25 05:09 PM
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The thing it most of men will have sex sometimes, The man you were talking to probably doesn't even believe that. I don't know if when you filter for men on this board if it still remains true that most men will have sex sometimes. Maybe he hasn't, and expects he won't, he's just here malding.
/r/PurplePillDebate08/12/25 03:25 PM
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Right, but that's the mindset that led to your ridiculous conversation. Your interlocutor clearly wouldn't care
/r/PurplePillDebate08/12/25 03:18 PM
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A hookup is a type of relationship. It's not going to matter to you if a woman won't sleep with you twice, if she won't sleep with you once, is the point.
/r/PurplePillDebate08/12/25 03:04 PM
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I think you're both noticing the same thing. It's coming from the target audience. For the most part, men falling down the redpill pipeline aren't having trouble maintaining romantic relationships, they're having problems forming those relationships at all. They aren't concerned with problems of relationship maintenance because they don't have relationships to maintain. If they were regularly getting to the point of sleeping with a woman once, and not being given a second opportunity then they'd…
/r/PurplePillDebate08/12/25 02:58 PM
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Benedict Cumberbatch looks like a goddamn alien and he still had tons of fans thirsting after him in Sherlock. They've never met or interacted with him. They couldn't say with any certainty that he has half of the traits and behaviors you pointed out. I'm not going to deny the allure of celebrity helps, but this isn't a bad looking man by any means. You don't have to be an Adonis for that. You just have to have put enough effort into your appearance that it's obvious you actually made an effort …
/r/PurplePillDebate08/12/25 02:52 AM
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I'm not going to disagree with any of this being important, but if we're going to be saying what's doing the most work it's definitely "oonga bunga sexy parts". You even kinda said it: Have a personable attitude that is cohesive with your style and appearance. I do agree, but to some extent having a personable attitude here, ie an attitude that is pleasant to be around, means understanding if you're attractive enough for the woman you're interacting with to date in the first place and acting acc…
/r/PurplePillDebate08/12/25 02:36 AM
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Expound. Women do very much drool over sexy men the same way men do over women. It's just that men considered sexy are far less common.
/r/PurplePillDebate08/12/25 02:17 AM
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Sex is definitely the primary factor. Maybe not the only major factor, but a woman isn't going to date someone they aren't sexually attracted to, that's the only thing that's 100% non-negotiable. Hence why straight women aren't going to date other women, despite in all likelihood having far better and closer relationships with other women than they do with men.
/r/PurplePillDebate08/12/25 02:07 AM
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Just some advice you didn't ask for, but like you never have to confess your feelings. If she was interested you'd know, when women claim their hints are subtle, they are lying and men who concur are coping. And I know you don't want to hear this, but by "confessing" your feelings you are being a nuisance
/r/PurplePillDebate06/12/25 08:06 PM
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I don't know if any countries would issue you a visa with "escort" as your occupation, but over the last couple of years I've met a handful of women who work illegally in the US while on visitor or student visas.
/r/PurplePillDebate06/12/25 07:43 PM
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why would women want to come here to be a sex slave to a pimp (I mean visa sponsor) when their home country offers a better quality of life? $$$$ they already do it, so I don't know what to tell you. Trump is tightening the boarder so GL getting a pussy visa. Prostitution is also currently super illegal, so this is irrelevant to the hypothetical. The political situation would obviously be different in this different world. The US is in decline it may very well collapse in the next few year or at…
/r/PurplePillDebate06/12/25 07:31 PM
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It's pretty impossible to say who "enjoys" sex more, but men are definitely more motivated to seek sex than women are.
/r/PurplePillDebate06/12/25 07:22 PM
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Or women would be willing to relocate from Europe and Asia for the economic activity. There's already women who do this illegally as well.
/r/PurplePillDebate06/12/25 07:15 PM
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I don't know if you have a good point here, but your examples are pretty poor for illustrating the point you're trying to make. Both men are very attractive, but man 1 meets more women, I don't see anything complex about that. Make man 1 5'5 or something and I assume your perception of who would do better would switch, which just shows the opposite of what you're saying, stats can pretty much explain who does better.
/r/PurplePillDebate01/12/25 09:20 PM
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