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I tend to go agree but in the opposite. Red Pill guys who probably look like a sack of potatoes.
/r/PurplePillDebate30/07/25 03:16 PM
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I find it very odd how much red pill downplays the mainstream information on physical attractiveness. I’m currently going through my prep work on the upcoming school year and under interpersonal relationships physical attractiveness impact is featured significantly.
/r/PurplePillDebate29/07/25 01:36 PM
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You need reps
/r/PurplePillDebate29/07/25 12:41 PM
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I think it’s perfectly fine for it to exist.
/r/PurplePillDebate27/07/25 08:41 PM
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The app is quite funny to me because the people most upset by it are those who never need to worry about it.
/r/PurplePillDebate27/07/25 07:54 PM
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Hmm I’m very blue pilled by object if seated research to me is incredibly important. There is very few things as fulfilling in a relationship as it. Emotional connection enhances this passion of course.
/r/PurplePillDebate27/07/25 05:23 PM
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Research shows the two biggest complaints by males in relationships are too much arguing and not enough sex.
/r/PurplePillDebate27/07/25 03:08 PM
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This is patently false you can open a social psychology textbook and much of the research that would help men is done by women.
/r/PurplePillDebate27/07/25 03:06 PM
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Matters for the quality of the relationship? You just picked two guys who are known to have terrible relationships and were only married because of money.
/r/PurplePillDebate27/07/25 02:02 PM
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Physical attractiveness matters far more and is far more satisfying.
/r/PurplePillDebate27/07/25 01:56 PM
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Yes big 5 are very predictive. One of the few good metrics in social sciences.
/r/PurplePillDebate26/07/25 01:26 PM
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If they had personality they would have needed to turn to red pill nonsense.
/r/PurplePillDebate26/07/25 01:25 PM
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They are just less predictive “rewording” of the big 5 personality traits.
/r/PurplePillDebate26/07/25 01:23 PM
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The only thing I feel bad for them is they get a ton of false information as to actually how to succeed. I wouldn’t even give a shit about the red pill if it gave actually good information. So many here cite stuff that isn’t even true and it’s just going to make them struggle more.
/r/PurplePillDebate24/07/25 01:18 PM
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These guys aren’t actually in relationships or seeking a partner. Any guy who is will always tell the educated working women is much more desirable. Even among extremely wealthy couples the wife may not work but is still educated and is involved with a lot outside of the home .
/r/PurplePillDebate24/07/25 12:56 PM
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Do realize the type of guy who posts these things is not the type of guy actually seeking a relationship. It’s just revenge fantasy.
/r/PurplePillDebate24/07/25 12:51 PM
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The revealed preference data actually shows men do like women who work and are educated.
/r/PurplePillDebate24/07/25 12:49 PM
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Funnily enough revealed preferences studies show men actually do care about a women’s job. Having dual incomes is such a cheat code in life.
/r/PurplePillDebate24/07/25 12:48 PM
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Highly educated women have the lowest divorce rates and highest levels of relationship satisfaction. At my job pretty much everyone is married to their educated equal. Meanwhile in the area I grew up in it’s an absolute shit show.
/r/PurplePillDebate24/07/25 12:44 PM
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Sounds good in theory there are a lot of creeps out there. The issue though is simply complaints become red flags.
/r/PurplePillDebate23/07/25 06:33 PM
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If these guys ever get dates they will be shocked at how much nonsense they believed was not true. This place is interesting because it feels like a completely different world.
/r/PurplePillDebate23/07/25 12:34 PM
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When I was dating the only thing I cared about are things that mattered. Some of the highest impact things were very blue pilled type of stuff.
/r/PurplePillDebate22/07/25 12:52 PM
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White collar professionals is a very broad group these days can still be a trashy group.
/r/PurplePillDebate22/07/25 12:42 PM
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Quite honestly it sounds like you hang out with a very trashy demographic.
/r/PurplePillDebate22/07/25 12:34 PM
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Correct but the numbers are extremely high in male involuntary singles.
/r/PurplePillDebate17/07/25 02:39 PM
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Yes. The other 42% isn’t “nature” though. That’s not how heritability works.
/r/PurplePillDebate17/07/25 01:46 PM
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No it isn’t.
/r/PurplePillDebate17/07/25 01:38 PM
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Neuroticism is hereditary. It’s actually probably the real blackpill.
/r/PurplePillDebate17/07/25 01:25 PM
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Neuroticism is actually the biggest predictors of involuntary singlehood. It’s basically the root of all issues on this subreddit.
/r/PurplePillDebate17/07/25 01:19 PM
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Buddy the second paper is exactly the one I am talking about I literally had to go look at it again to get the trail order correctly lol
/r/PurplePillDebate09/07/25 07:13 PM
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Did you actually read the second study. I’m very familiar with it. Number 1 in revealed preferences is good lover. Loyal is second, Supportive is 3rd, smells good is 4, honest is 5. None of these are looks based. It’s actually an incredibly blue pilled research paper lol.
/r/PurplePillDebate09/07/25 07:08 PM
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Personality is not vague at all. When talked about in a scientific it is referring to the big 5 traits which are among the most replicated predictors in all of social science.
/r/PurplePillDebate09/07/25 06:45 PM
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Personality has a bigger impact on dating success but looks are easier to change realistically.
/r/PurplePillDebate09/07/25 06:27 PM
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I’ve come to conclusion that basically all problems on this subreddit are neuroticism manifestations,
/r/PurplePillDebate09/07/25 05:17 PM
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The most attractive people having the most success seems pretty damn fair to me.
/r/PurplePillDebate08/07/25 04:04 PM
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God if this is what you consider a good captain I’d hate to see where you were 3 years ago. Best of luck seems like you got it all figured out.
/r/MarriedRedPill01/07/25 05:35 PM
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You’ve been in a 3 year LTR with a woman who barely wants to be with you? You should’ve cut bait long ago and been moving on to other women who want to be with you. You’ve wasted a significant amount of time for what?
/r/MarriedRedPill01/07/25 12:39 PM
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“Who needs men when women are so mean to each other.” I think you’re vastly underestimating how accomplished she is in her own right. There was a great study that came out recently which revealed preference data showed men particularly successful men do actually care about intelligence and career prospects. I work in a pretty HNW industry and pretty much everyone’s partner is very accomplished in their own right.
/r/PurplePillDebate30/06/25 01:13 PM
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There’s two types ways you can interpret this. You are given the answers to the test optimize for the test. Too many guys who they themselves are obsessed with looks get pissy about it and do nothing. Honestly this is what red pill was like initially there was very little discourse about women. Completely changed nowadays.
/r/PurplePillDebate24/06/25 12:46 PM
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Great post I don’t know why this is so hard for people to understand. You can ever go to the many subreddits revolving around hormone use and people will talk about the dramatics differences on an individual level.
/r/PurplePillDebate20/06/25 01:22 PM
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No it’s confirmation bias.
/r/PurplePillDebate11/06/25 01:22 PM
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That’s ridiculous narrative to begin millions of non chads are getting laid all the time. Hell the religious guy who married his high school or college sweetheart has more sex than any “Chad.”
/r/PurplePillDebate11/06/25 10:39 AM
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“Dorks” can be pro-social.
/r/PurplePillDebate10/06/25 06:38 PM
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That people hurt themselves does not make it harmful for everyone. Think of how silly this is extrapolated. You’d live in bubble.
/r/PurplePillDebate05/06/25 03:44 PM
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Lifting weights is not harmful for younger ages that is 1990s fear mongering that was never proven
/r/PurplePillDebate05/06/25 03:21 PM
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This is always one of the silliest things in the world. My friends and I were hitting the gym in middle school because we were able to realize what mattered in dating. You’d have to be one the dumbest human beings ever if you think just being nice gets you a girlfriend. I will say pro-social traits help immensely and most incels don’t even have that.
/r/PurplePillDebate05/06/25 03:04 PM
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Both statements are factually true. Female intelligence is more constrained than male intelligence. Women have higher levels of conscientiousness.
/r/PurplePillDebate27/05/25 01:02 PM
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Yes it’s largely true. You are kind of seeing a modern revival of this through dating apps. There was certainly an inefficiency in the market with the desirable male and attractive women. They can find each other more easily now. The UK had an issue in their sperm banks where women only wanted tall danish men.
/r/PurplePillDebate27/05/25 12:29 PM
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No I think you’re full of shit is what I’m getting at.
/r/PurplePillDebate23/05/25 02:19 PM
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You have a lot of posts in your history complaining about dating for someone who is turning down gorgeous women….
/r/PurplePillDebate23/05/25 02:15 PM
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Paradox of all dating really the more successful you are the less effort you need to put in. It’s why most arguments on forums like these are between the unsuccessful of both genders. It’s also why the most successful techniques in dating aren’t really techniques at all but more natural behaviors derived from abundance.
/r/PurplePillDebate23/05/25 02:13 PM
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Social stereotypes are one of the most replicated findings in science.
/r/PurplePillDebate18/05/25 02:13 PM
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No lol
/r/PurplePillDebate28/04/25 01:18 PM
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There’s actually quite an interesting study that only low status males sexual satisfaction is tied to partner orgasm. Paradoxically I had way more “call backs” when I was more selfish in the bedroom. It’s always logically been a hard thing to grapple with.
/r/PurplePillDebate28/04/25 12:45 PM
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🙏
/r/PurplePillDebate19/04/25 04:23 PM
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Hope you eventually get the help you need.
/r/PurplePillDebate19/04/25 04:16 PM
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It’s not about high value for most men they need to demonstrate any value. The bar is so low nowadays.
/r/PurplePillDebate19/04/25 04:12 PM
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Why are you red pillers so unhappy? Every single post is someone with red pillers flair always whining about something.
/r/PurplePillDebate19/04/25 04:08 PM
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I’m happily married man who owns a company in the trades and I agree with everything OP says. Does that fit your stereotype? That you don’t understand OP’s point and feel the need to attack them is why you felt compelled to find solace in Red Pill circles.
/r/PurplePillDebate19/04/25 03:54 PM
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It is very popular among women who have not experienced trauma. This mindset is actually very debilitating to women who enjoy this because it makes them feel bad for their preferences. This is very little statistical correlation to trauma and having a preference for this. It is a harmful stereotype to both women have experienced trauma and those who haven’t and enjoy this.
/r/PurplePillDebate18/04/25 01:34 PM
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You despise yourself so you take it out on others.
/r/MarriedRedPill16/04/25 05:30 PM
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Let’s say everything goes right. Do you think achieving this will solve the root issue of the obsession of external validation?
/r/MarriedRedPill16/04/25 05:26 PM
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Have you honestly ever assessed what you really want out of life? I read your posts and I am confused by what your actual personal goals are?
/r/MarriedRedPill16/04/25 12:52 PM
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“Red Pill Man” “My Internet posts will be deleted!”
/r/PurplePillDebate15/04/25 12:51 AM
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“Red Pill Man” “Whines about personal attacks on an anonymous message board” Can’t make this stuff up lol
/r/PurplePillDebate15/04/25 12:11 AM
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So not actual relationship experience lol
/r/PurplePillDebate14/04/25 04:39 PM
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Some of you have bleak understanding of relationships.
/r/PurplePillDebate14/04/25 04:00 PM
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Why would you marry someone who doesn’t compliment you or isn’t nice to you. Take responsibility for your actions.
/r/PurplePillDebate14/04/25 03:48 PM
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That’s on the guy not the woman.
/r/PurplePillDebate14/04/25 03:40 PM
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Fundamental issue with all dating issues nowadays. Nobody focuses on what they can do to get a partner. You aren’t going to change society or the gender. Become dateable. End of story.
/r/PurplePillDebate14/04/25 02:26 PM
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Single women are much happier than single men. They don’t have to do anything.
/r/PurplePillDebate14/04/25 02:23 PM
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This is quite simply an all or nothing cognitive distortion.
/r/PurplePillDebate12/04/25 11:18 AM
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Lie or not it really doesn’t matter. Dating is not adversarial. Some of you have a hard time grasping that.
/r/PurplePillDebate11/04/25 04:31 PM
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Cautious is very different than your original statement.
/r/PurplePillDebate11/04/25 04:07 PM
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Same thing.
/r/PurplePillDebate11/04/25 03:48 PM
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To completely stop dating because it has happened.
/r/PurplePillDebate11/04/25 03:36 PM
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Nobody said it’s never happened.
/r/PurplePillDebate11/04/25 03:30 PM
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This is all or nothing cognitive distortion
/r/PurplePillDebate11/04/25 03:08 PM
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Odd part is what is the “lie” though. How did you not observe reality and see what matters. This is what is most confusing to me.
/r/PurplePillDebate09/04/25 06:50 PM
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It’s quite bizarre growing up everyone in my social group knew this intuitively since like high school and simply optimized for it.
/r/PurplePillDebate09/04/25 06:19 PM
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The Red Queen is a fascinating research book about this. I have no idea why it upsets men it’s simple logic. I guess this is one of the more confusing things about men nowadays how “emotional” they are by simple evolutionary dynamics.
/r/PurplePillDebate09/04/25 02:16 PM
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Why is this such a hard concept for guys to understand.
/r/PurplePillDebate08/04/25 01:39 PM
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Your rating is determined by the opposite sex. Don’t know why some of you can’t grasp this concept.
/r/PurplePillDebate08/04/25 01:37 PM
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Because it’s assumed the autistic part is talking about it out loud. Nobody talks about yet assortative mating is one of the most replicated findings in all of social sciences.
/r/PurplePillDebate04/04/25 02:20 PM
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Research shows couple are incredibly “looksmatched” assortative mating as well is one of the most replicated findings in social sciences.
/r/PurplePillDebate03/04/25 02:02 PM
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Probably not couples are incredibly looksmatched according to research at first match.
/r/PurplePillDebate03/04/25 02:01 PM
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Also usually very anti social and pretty much no life outside of the gym.
/r/PurplePillDebate03/04/25 01:58 PM
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Women can now shift their priorities of what they want in a mate men can either adapt or stay lonely. The only resentment comes from men who have nothing to offer.
/r/PurplePillDebate01/04/25 03:59 PM
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Don’t date guys who do this. People optimize for incentives.
/r/PurplePillDebate01/04/25 02:01 PM
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That there is no blue pill dating guide and the red pill has a 400 page handbook (lol) shows you which one is more successful. Also look at real life and look at “red pill gurus” and see who has more success. There’s been multiple moderators at various red pill who haven’t gotten caught LARPing about their actual success with women. You can easily fix/help a guy who is too blue pilled. Red pill guys are doomed. I personally know two guys who were successful daters but after a particularly bad br…
/r/PurplePillDebate30/03/25 06:22 PM
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In large scale studies women are much better at self assessments of their own attractiveness.
/r/PurplePillDebate30/03/25 02:25 PM
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I find it annoying. I can’t stand delusional people.
/r/PurplePillDebate30/03/25 02:25 PM
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Delusion hands down. Men have absolutely 0 idea how they are viewed by the opposite sex. Most according to research are like 2-3 points lower in the attractive scale than they think.
/r/PurplePillDebate30/03/25 01:54 PM
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“The purpose of a system is what it does“ The most likely outcome of the red pill is going to the black pill. Red pill spaces have actually gotten smaller and black pill have increased.
/r/PurplePillDebate30/03/25 01:30 PM
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The assumption that men who are successful with women are putting in more work than women who are successful is hilarious.
/r/PurplePillDebate27/03/25 04:42 PM
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lol! All these arguments boil down I want hot women to fuck me. I love guys who write these nonsense paragraphs. Just say what you want to say.
/r/PurplePillDebate27/03/25 03:07 PM
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Curious what your reasoning is from Buss? I’m very familiar with his work. I’m not seeing the evo-psych connection because chasing is not really a thing at all.
/r/PurplePillDebate27/03/25 02:56 PM
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Men have the same strategy when they operate from a point of abundance. Also there are way more frustrated men than the woman who has so many options she simply waits around. Plenty of women employed this strategy and are happily married.
/r/PurplePillDebate27/03/25 02:55 PM
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How can I loathe myself and have a big ego (classical definition of ego)? Seems incongruent. The ego is the fictional version of who you think you should be the loathing is the actual reality of the situation.
/r/MarriedRedPill27/03/25 02:35 PM
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People who have child at younger ages have higher impulsiveness. Impulsivity is highly heritable. It’s why there is very little correlation in twin studies with adoptive families compared to the twins who grow up in separate environments. We see this in criminality as-well.
/r/PurplePillDebate27/03/25 02:20 PM
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The problem with these solutions is that they are downstream effects and not causes. It’s very similar with “be confident” advice. They should be pursued though for general well being.
/r/PurplePillDebate27/03/25 11:49 AM
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Because you are never going to change their mind and it has 0 effect on your dating life. It’s the equivalent of arguing with a flat earther. The successful women doesn’t even register losers let alone debate them.
/r/PurplePillDebate25/03/25 01:16 PM
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Everything in dating is preference. Those with success in dating don’t get very emotional about. The only people who care about these things are those with very little options. It’s not even worth discussing it with them because they aren’t coming from a point of rationality it’s all emotional anger based. Lastly no none can tell you who to date so I don’t really understand the ranting and raving about.
/r/PurplePillDebate25/03/25 01:06 PM
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It’s incredibly rare.
/r/PurplePillDebate24/03/25 01:12 PM
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It’s precisely why the numbers game mentality is so valuable.
/r/PurplePillDebate15/03/25 01:42 PM
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They don’t put in a lot of external effort. Red pill is mostly mental masturbation. It’s also LARPing by those trying to grift.
/r/PurplePillDebate12/03/25 01:55 PM
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This why even though PUA stuff was cringe guys actually got success out of it. Not because of any of the material but simply getting guys out there and approaching.
/r/PurplePillDebate12/03/25 01:36 PM
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Very spot on about naturally being in the same place and talking made sense. This is very hard concept to explain to younger crowds.
/r/PurplePillDebate08/03/25 04:35 PM
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IRL approaching was really never a thing. At least not as much as younger generations think it was. It was much more organic. The single biggest issue is that younger people have way more distractions nowadays. There’s so much friction from keeping people from hanging out. We hung out because there was nothing better to do. You ended up meeting people through sheer proximity. I basically only ate and slept at my apartment because it was incredibly boring. I would meet more women in a week than m…
/r/PurplePillDebate08/03/25 03:31 PM
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You know it when you see it.
/r/PurplePillDebate28/02/25 02:44 PM
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Every single thing that you mentioned basically.
/r/PurplePillDebate28/02/25 02:42 PM
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It’s insane behavior.
/r/PurplePillDebate26/02/25 03:36 PM
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Some of you fail to realize dating is choice based and not a hostage situation.
/r/PurplePillDebate16/02/25 03:44 PM
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This is a bit ironic coming from someone who is “biology pilled”
/r/PurplePillDebate16/02/25 03:32 PM
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Ask women over 30 is more red pill than red pill subs lol
/r/PurplePillDebate16/02/25 03:15 PM
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It may be the reason you’re not attracting the guys you are actually interested in. I see this all time on various female subreddits.
/r/PurplePillDebate14/02/25 01:16 PM
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Agree that there is a genetic component, but one must fix the things that they can fix before we start talking about genetics. Most guys haven’t even hit the low hanging fruit.
/r/PurplePillDebate13/02/25 03:37 PM
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Mildly amused and then get on with my life.
/r/PurplePillDebate13/02/25 03:31 PM
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My issue is why don’t guys do everything in their power then to max it.
/r/PurplePillDebate13/02/25 03:30 PM
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What if you are focusing on the wrong actions? You’ve busted your ass for a company that may or may not make you CEO. You’ve tied up all your worth into what is a meaningless position in the grand scheme of things. What happens if you don’t get it? Research shows people make more on external job searching than internal promotions. You are seeking validation from the title. We also know the initial happiness boost of a promotion fades quickly. You keep harping on internal narratives when they are…
/r/MarriedRedPill13/02/25 03:11 PM
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IMO internal narratives do not matter anywhere close to real world feedback. People love “inner game” stuff because it feels like an easy fix. Real world feedback is much more difficult to work on. Look at how many guys are on their 37th OYS post have read 457 RP books and causally mention they are still in shit shape or have taken very little action.
/r/MarriedRedPill12/02/25 03:28 PM
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What dating tactics/manipulation be specific.
/r/PurplePillDebate10/02/25 07:17 PM
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What about red pill do you think is about misleading women? It was work out and get a good job and you’ll be attractive to higher quality women?
/r/PurplePillDebate10/02/25 05:58 PM
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There is a lot of dumb luck involved.
/r/PurplePillDebate07/02/25 02:27 PM
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Corporate interests simply appeal to revealed preferences. People vastly overstate how effective marketers are. I have first have experience with this.
/r/PurplePillDebate07/02/25 02:15 PM
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If people focused on things with the highest effect sizes with regards to physical attractiveness a lot of problems would be solved. Upper body musculature cues are the number 1 thing for men and yet I know so many single guys who don’t even check this off.
/r/PurplePillDebate03/02/25 03:14 PM
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You have serious confirmation bias. You’ve never heard a woman fawn over a guy on anything other than height? Upper body musculature cues have the highest effect size.
/r/PurplePillDebate01/02/25 07:39 PM
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These guys still wan’t to be desired by women. Your original post said nothing of woman’s enjoyment.
/r/PurplePillDebate01/02/25 07:27 PM
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https://digitalcommons.chapman.edu/cgi/viewcontent.cgi?article=1317&context=psychology_articles&utm_source=chatgpt.com
/r/PurplePillDebate01/02/25 07:14 PM
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There are many Time-Use-Studies 30 minutes is a conservative average of the research.
/r/PurplePillDebate01/02/25 07:10 PM
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Good thing there are numerous other things that have significant effect sizes that are controllable. Show me the incel that has all those in check then we can talk about height.
/r/PurplePillDebate01/02/25 07:04 PM
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It’s human nature not a quality. They should put in more effort then and not just assume it’s going to happen just because they exist. The average western women puts in ~30 minutes more per day on physical attractiveness based activities than men.
/r/PurplePillDebate01/02/25 06:58 PM
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Seeing the actual wives/gfs of prominent blue pill types.
/r/PurplePillDebate31/01/25 07:06 PM
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You guys are such nutters. People laugh at red pill because they proclaim to have all the answers yet still can’t get a date. Funnily enough more of the blue pill guys have actual attractive girlfriends wives than red pillers online.
/r/PurplePillDebate31/01/25 06:19 PM
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I had more sympathy I saw how glaringly obvious most guys problems were.
/r/PurplePillDebate30/01/25 01:59 PM
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No they said fuck it I’m not going to do anything about it. You complain about jobs yet construction companies/warehouse/fast food places are always looking to hire folks.
/r/PurplePillDebate30/01/25 01:46 PM
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Vast majority of it is self inflicted.
/r/PurplePillDebate30/01/25 01:40 PM
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You have to be incredibly stupid to not think maxxing out your looks is not going to help with dating. Most guys who say this look like shit so it’s just an excuse to be lazy.
/r/PurplePillDebate28/01/25 08:00 PM
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it’s been completely disregarded for blackpill/Andrew Tate nonsense
/r/PurplePillDebate28/01/25 07:49 PM
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It’s still something I have never heard been answered coherently. Early red pill used to be women like fit guys with good careers. Do those things. It was about dealing with reality never changing preferences.
/r/PurplePillDebate28/01/25 07:29 PM
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The gender war is idiotic because people want to police other’s preferences. Even if women only cared 100% about looks who gives a shit.
/r/PurplePillDebate28/01/25 07:10 PM
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Research shows the most and least successful men treat women the worst. Humans learn through imitation. Who do you think guys want to be? Guys who struggle are going to emulate the most successful.
/r/PurplePillDebate28/01/25 04:16 AM
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Upper body musculature has the highest effect size on mane physical attractiveness this has been researched and replicated extensively.
/r/PurplePillDebate27/01/25 10:15 PM
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Beards yes muscles no. Although men focus on the wrong muscles.
/r/PurplePillDebate27/01/25 09:39 PM
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Most of these women couldn’t care less what these guys do. They are invisible to them. Women are also much happier single then men are.
/r/PurplePillDebate27/01/25 06:05 PM
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Red Pill communities have significantly declined in favor of black pill communities. Feminists are laughing if anything.
/r/PurplePillDebate27/01/25 06:01 PM
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Research shows men with the most and least success with women have the most negative attitudes towards them. It’s guys in the middle who you are describing.
/r/PurplePillDebate27/01/25 01:27 PM
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This is maybe the single worst take I have seen in PPD history.
/r/PurplePillDebate26/01/25 07:34 PM
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High quality sources lol
/r/PurplePillDebate26/01/25 06:16 PM
8

Here’s what happens. Red Pill sucks guys in because it persuades them in with a 5% truth that it not talked about in society probably enough due to social desirability bias. Because of this they get hooked and start believing 95% of all the other nonsense associated with these spaces. We also much more real world feedback in the form of dating apps that is illuminating for a lot of guys to say the least.
/r/PurplePillDebate26/01/25 05:03 PM
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I doubt that would impress anyone at 5’10 179.
/r/MarriedRedPill26/01/25 01:38 PM
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Height has very little relative effect size compared to other factors of physical attractiveness. Also beard is vague some guys have hideous gross beards.
/r/PurplePillDebate25/01/25 07:34 PM
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So you are so dumb you don’t even know how to read a research paper. I’ve literally given you the citations. The Langois study has 919 papers in its meta-analysis. You have provided not a subtle academic source other than “I think things have changed” Simply debunk me then with a recent study? This should be very easy for you?
/r/PurplePillDebate25/01/25 06:36 PM
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It’s up to you to show the burden of proof things have changed in the last 20-25 years in the face of high quality research. Plenty of things have held in research much further back than this. Look you tried to dunk on someone got called out and now are tripling down.
/r/PurplePillDebate25/01/25 06:31 PM
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Langlois et al. (2000): A meta-analysis of 919 studies found high cross-cultural agreement in attractiveness ratings. Features like facial symmetry, averageness, and sexual dimorphism were universally preferred. Cunningham et al. (1995): Found cross-cultural agreement on the attractiveness of certain facial traits (e.g., large eyes, high cheekbones) in U.S., Asian, and Hispanic populations. Yes “research.” If you’re going to try and dunk on some run I’d suggest you actually know what you’re talk…
/r/PurplePillDebate25/01/25 06:28 PM
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It doesn’t matter what women say. Research shows there is very little disagreement on who is considered attractive even cross culturally.
/r/PurplePillDebate25/01/25 06:15 PM
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Because you are straight up lying? Those people are older
/r/PurplePillDebate25/01/25 06:12 PM
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No they aren’t. I literally just told young liberal men are much more single than their conservative counterparts.
/r/PurplePillDebate25/01/25 06:10 PM
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Maturity has nothing to do with age. There are plenty of women in their 30s+ who still act like they are in high school. Intelligence is a far better barometer. I work in a very intellectually demanding career junior female hires are much more mature than women older in less demanding careers.
/r/PurplePillDebate25/01/25 06:09 PM
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By the definition of you post “mainstream stuff” is conservative because conservative men and women are most likely in relationships. Quite funny how you miss the plot in many of your posts.
/r/PurplePillDebate25/01/25 06:05 PM
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Who voted for whom is irrelevant when we have actual large scale data on who is single which is the thesis of your post.
/r/PurplePillDebate25/01/25 05:59 PM
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Young unmarried men are also disproportionately liberal. 61% vs 37%
/r/PurplePillDebate25/01/25 05:55 PM
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Most of your “social issues” will be completely alleviated when you increase your physical attractiveness.
/r/MarriedRedPill25/01/25 04:05 PM
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Good timing is often mitigated by looks though. Years ago I read the dumbest book ever in the hey day of PUA but it ended up being the book that brought me the most success because it focused on looks so heavily. This was extremely rare back then. Women being genuinely attracted to you is a far better and more satisfying approach than spam approaching a ton of women.
/r/seduction23/01/25 03:58 PM
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It’s not hitting peoples nerve there’s simply nothing to debate lol. It CAN happen wow really going out on a limb there.
/r/PurplePillDebate21/01/25 03:13 PM
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This is simply Goodhart’s law.
/r/PurplePillDebate21/01/25 03:06 PM
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Wow really quite the debate topic if you are saying something CAN happen.
/r/PurplePillDebate21/01/25 03:04 PM
2

Exactly people are dating to find romantic relationships and compatibility. This isn’t an adversarial endeavor.
/r/PurplePillDebate20/01/25 05:57 PM
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You’ve constructed quite the strawmen here.
/r/PurplePillDebate20/01/25 05:51 PM
0

There’s plenty of opposite type relationships.
/r/PurplePillDebate20/01/25 02:19 PM
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Ah yes when Redditors lose the argument they report to the “you’re angry!” rhetoric. I’m perfectly calm I’m just calling out idiocy when I see it. “A good lover” was the number one thing under revealed preferences that predicted relationship satisfaction in one of the largest studies ever done on the topic.
/r/PurplePillDebate20/01/25 01:49 PM
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Most normal women want to know if they have sexual chemistry so they can move on or not. You like incels act like dating is adversarial.
/r/PurplePillDebate20/01/25 01:41 PM
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No woman is withholding sex with any guy. This is femcel fan fiction. A woman doesn’t want to waste her time with a guy with bad sexual chemistry. It’s for her as well as him. Most normal folks are not playing these games in relationships and are simply to find people they are compatible with. This is like the female equivalent of an incel post.
/r/PurplePillDebate20/01/25 01:35 PM
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And yet plenty of average and below average men are in relationships.
/r/PurplePillDebate19/01/25 03:29 PM
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The funny thing about incels is that if you lined up 100 random guys lookswise a vast majority of them wouldn’t even stick out that much. It’s their external locus of control is so insidious that they self-handicap themselves to have no chance.
/r/PurplePillDebate19/01/25 03:04 PM
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You are trying to override biological desire here. It almost always ends miserably. Revealed preferences are revealed preferences trying to fight them is going to be an uphill battle.
/r/PurplePillDebate18/01/25 02:10 PM
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Second hand gossip? What women find attractive is one of the replicated findings in the social sciences.
/r/PurplePillDebate14/01/25 09:21 PM
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Drugs are a big one. Access to music events is another one.
/r/seduction13/01/25 06:52 PM
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No I’m incredibly boring and a complete normie and I did very well in a big city dating life. If you pass rule #1 none of this other stuff really matters. Also how many of these girls are actually attracted to these guys. I knew a lot of the musician types who could get laid but it was very transactional and not very fulfilling.
/r/seduction13/01/25 04:54 PM
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Reddit is obsessed with hobbies it’s very bizarre to me.
/r/PurplePillDebate12/01/25 09:01 PM
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They are probably not that below average if they are getting to the bedroom. Which is why they don’t have to try as much. There’s a study that showed men with the highest sexual satisfaction had 0 correlation with partner induced orgasm. It did matter with men with low testosterone.
/r/PurplePillDebate11/01/25 05:27 PM
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Why would a woman give a shit if she is putting pressure on men if she has plenty of suitors. Play the game or don’t but stop trying to act like you can influence the rules. I can guarantee you if some of you where in the other position you would be playing the same game
/r/PurplePillDebate11/01/25 05:04 PM
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I don’t really know what your rant is about I was just pointing out a common fact.
/r/PurplePillDebate11/01/25 02:34 PM
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Raw attraction affects personality as well. Honestly it boggles my mind all the discourse back and forth. Just be hot.
/r/PurplePillDebate11/01/25 02:31 PM
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Women have a much smaller pools of men they find attractive.
/r/PurplePillDebate11/01/25 02:29 PM
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Reality matters more than what you tell people. Guys on average are far hornier than women. No matter what you say you will never be able to get over this.
/r/PurplePillDebate11/01/25 02:10 PM
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It was always there. PUA was popular not because of actual success of the methods but because of the communities. The one good thing PUA did which is lacking now is getting guys out there. I remember a hilarious story of a guy who went to a boot camp and he said a 1/3rd of the guys were having more success than the guy giving the camp.
/r/seduction06/01/25 05:16 PM
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Plenty of logistical issues in dating aren’t neckbeards in their mom’s basements. I know women who suffer with them too.
/r/PurplePillDebate05/01/25 02:16 PM
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I guess I have a bit more empathy for people than you. Changing your environment can be quite difficult logistically fur a lot of people.
/r/PurplePillDebate05/01/25 02:05 PM
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For many people the reason they aren’t romantically successful is logistics or dumb luck. Not everyone who is single has some deficiency.
/r/PurplePillDebate05/01/25 01:59 PM
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I would agree with that and put it under chemistry. The way this sub talks about it is odd.
/r/PurplePillDebate04/01/25 08:59 PM
3

Why is it crazy? Life is way too short for bad sex.
/r/PurplePillDebate04/01/25 08:49 PM
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Yes I’m the one who made it personal lol
/r/PurplePillDebate04/01/25 08:49 PM
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I guess all the bad sex you’re angry does explain the tone of your posts. Best of luck!
/r/PurplePillDebate04/01/25 08:46 PM
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I do now because the person I married we have amazing chemistry. So yes I did it expect it was a big deal for me. Bad sex with someone was the quickest move on for me.
/r/PurplePillDebate04/01/25 08:42 PM
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Why is dumb to expect the other person to be good in the bedroom?
/r/PurplePillDebate04/01/25 08:38 PM
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I don’t know why you think it’s uncommon two people can have great sexual chemistry without tons of communication. Sorry you have not experienced this yet I guess.
/r/PurplePillDebate04/01/25 08:33 PM
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Or simply choose a partner who you have good sex with off the bat. Why are you having a lot of bad sex?
/r/PurplePillDebate04/01/25 08:32 PM
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Communication is probably the most overrated term in all relationship advice. You either have sexual chemistry or not.
/r/PurplePillDebate04/01/25 07:23 PM
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Horrible idea. Bad sexual chemistry is deal breaker.
/r/PurplePillDebate04/01/25 07:21 PM
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There’s interplay but people often overestimate how much and don’t even know what they are talking about with regard to environments. Most of the environmental things that matter are non-shared environmental factors and not the things people often ascribe to environments.
/r/PurplePillDebate04/01/25 03:11 PM
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Socialization narratives are vastly overrated. I have a background in behavioral genetics and it seems like every year a new robust study comes out in the field that widens the grap between nature and nurture even further. I’m still honestly quite shocked how much the layman believes in nurture.
/r/PurplePillDebate04/01/25 02:58 PM
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I think you’re vastly underestimating how quickly you can broach the subject. Sure there is a bit of decorum but you don’t have to lie and manipulate as much as you think. Women enjoy sex too and they appreciate honesty.
/r/PurplePillDebate02/01/25 01:16 PM
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It’s not “my opinion” there are entire research subsets decidecated to this.
/r/PurplePillDebate01/01/25 06:30 PM
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Things like the halo effect which is one of the most replicated findings in social sciences would not exist then. To be quite honest I don’t know what your objections are nothing I’m saying here is even remotely controversial.
/r/PurplePillDebate01/01/25 06:18 PM
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Everyone is making calculations on people every moment of every single day it’s just all subconscious.
/r/PurplePillDebate01/01/25 06:12 PM
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Here is the largest study ever done on female revealed preferences of mates: https://www.researchgate.net/publication/382253515_A_Worldwide_Test_of_the_Predictive_Validity_of_Ideal_Partner_Preference-Matching Revealed preference (in this case, what actually predicts positive romantic evaluations)
/r/PurplePillDebate01/01/25 06:01 PM
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I don’t think it’s a bad mindset per se. The more status I had in the dating market the more options I had and they tended to be higher quality options. The red pill issue is 99% of the guys never actually do anything to improve themselves. They just whine about women. They are hypocrites.
/r/PurplePillDebate01/01/25 05:59 PM
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There’s thousands of things that go into a guys’ status.
/r/PurplePillDebate01/01/25 05:44 PM
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Redeeming qualities are part of someone’s status. Take two guys with identical looks and the guys with a better personality will have more status. Why are you parroting RP/Manosphere takes to me when I have not stated any of those things.
/r/PurplePillDebate01/01/25 05:43 PM
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No I clearly stated verbatim in my first post I have 0 objections with who women choose.
/r/PurplePillDebate01/01/25 05:37 PM
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It’s more status than being an adult with no job. I don’t know why this is so controversial everyone has a level of status.
/r/PurplePillDebate01/01/25 05:36 PM
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There you go you just stated his status. You just proved my point.
/r/PurplePillDebate01/01/25 05:35 PM
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Social status matters to everyone. I doubt your husband is a morbidly obese unemployed asshole. He has some status in society.
/r/PurplePillDebate01/01/25 05:32 PM
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This is where the red pill always lost me. Maybe because I didn’t have the self loathing most red pill guys have. I really couldn’t care less who women choose to be with. That’s kind of the beauty of choice no? The more interesting question is who they choose. Without the judgment or personal self-loathing. Granted how many of these women would choose the hot guy with high social status if presented with the opportunity to me is the more interesting question. You’re only as faithful as your choi…
/r/PurplePillDebate01/01/25 05:23 PM
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Read the study it’s not difficult.
/r/PurplePillDebate31/12/24 08:00 PM
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I’m not saying anything I’m pointing out high quality research on the matter. So much so the OP in question went radio silent when I asked them to provide counter research.
/r/PurplePillDebate31/12/24 07:15 PM
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In stated vs revealed preferences in relationship men are more honest. Men maybe delusional but they don’t lie.
/r/PurplePillDebate31/12/24 07:11 PM
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Not only have I read it I’ve quoted it verbatim. Research is research sorry it doesn’t confirm your anecdata. Present actual counter research. You’re clearly out of your depth here and probably aren’t used to being corrected on your silly anecdata with actual high quality research. Your next post will probably be some sort of variation of “rEAD mY pOST” because you don’t actually have the intellectual bandwidth to counter research with research.
/r/PurplePillDebate31/12/24 01:55 PM
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And men might THINK they are being more honest but theyre not I almost forgot the biggest reason men aren’t more honest Multiple times in your diatribe you make the statement men aren’t more honest. That is false as research shows time and time again.
/r/PurplePillDebate31/12/24 01:47 PM
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Your literal first paragraph is criticizing the notion of men being more honest. You also state later on they are not more honest. Yet research confirms that yes are men are more honest.
/r/PurplePillDebate31/12/24 01:43 PM
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Women’s stated preferences do not line up with revealed preferences. One of the largest studies ever done in the field confirms this: https://www.researchgate.net/publication/382253515_A_Worldwide_Test_of_the_Predictive_Validity_of_Ideal_Partner_Preference-Matching Men’s stated vs. revealed preferences has far less variation.
/r/PurplePillDebate31/12/24 01:35 PM
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Define “doing things.” When I became a bit more skilled in the bedroom which included “doing things” it was quite intense how attracted they became. You get treated like a king outside of it then too.
/r/PurplePillDebate24/12/24 02:58 PM
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Don’t be ugly then. Problem solved
/r/PurplePillDebate06/12/24 02:13 PM
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But women say they care about looks all the time?
/r/PurplePillDebate05/12/24 11:37 PM
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Women are pretty simple literally 99% of us guys don’t need to go on incel forums to learn how to date.
/r/PurplePillDebate05/12/24 10:45 PM
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Just approach women does not mean everyone is going to reciprocate attention. Some of you are so dense that it does not shock me you all struggle with women. Some days I wonder if it’s IQ not looks.
/r/PurplePillDebate05/12/24 10:26 PM
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Woman could give two fucks if guys use an RP approach.
/r/PurplePillDebate03/12/24 06:11 PM
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None of this has any basis in reality. As someone who actually was around red pill spaces long ago less than 1% actually improve long-term. It’s why red pill spaces have declined significantly in favor of incel/blackpill spaces. It’s quite amazing how simple the formula is and how many guys still don’t follow it.
/r/PurplePillDebate03/12/24 05:35 PM
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The internet has simply caused a lot of friction for other behaviors. A lot of guys my age would probably be single now if we had the same amount of friction as people have nowadays. There is also hypothetically unlimited dating options so any thing wrong with a potential partner you ghost and move on.
/r/PurplePillDebate01/12/24 03:32 PM
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What does this have to do with the red pill.
/r/PurplePillDebate25/11/24 03:04 PM
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I hate these creative writing exercises.
/r/PurplePillDebate25/11/24 03:02 PM
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I’m not whining I’m mocking
/r/PurplePillDebate24/11/24 05:28 PM
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“Pointing out reality” “I’m not whining you’re whining!” Jesus dude get a grip.
/r/PurplePillDebate24/11/24 02:55 PM
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Being a virgin as a male is just a really damn good proxy the guy is going to be very weird.
/r/PurplePillDebate24/11/24 02:34 PM
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This post is quite pathetic. You hate women we get it. Don’t post “debate” if it’s just going to be incel lunatic ranting.
/r/PurplePillDebate24/11/24 02:26 PM
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Yea I remember very early RP was basically evo-psych for dummies and taught guys to lift and get a good job.
/r/PurplePillDebate23/11/24 06:08 PM
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You can do whatever you want to do. That doesn’t mean you are immune to ridicule. Yes it’s very funny when someone has red pill in their flair and is still whining about women.
/r/PurplePillDebate23/11/24 04:57 PM
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You post way too much about this stuff for me to believe any of this.
/r/PurplePillDebate23/11/24 01:51 PM
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This shouldn’t be a problem though for someone with red pill in their flair though right….? Right…..? This is what I find so hilarious about RP. Why do you “Alphas(tm)” care about losers who can’t get laid. All the RP flairs spent a lot of time on this? I wonder why…?
/r/PurplePillDebate23/11/24 01:43 PM
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Nobody ever said to not do cardio.
/r/PurplePillDebate21/11/24 02:49 PM
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Incredible waste of time if you are trying to lose weight. In the long run will probably make your gain more weight due to the compensation effect.
/r/PurplePillDebate21/11/24 02:32 PM
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The bleak future mindset is fostered by toxic social media and an external locus of control. We have a few GenZ guys who are absolutely crushing it aswell both of them told me they consume no social media “as it’s toxic” and just stay busy.
/r/PurplePillDebate20/11/24 02:41 PM
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Complete and utter lack of ambition/competitive drive in careers, dating, and physical fitness. It’s so bad I’m convinced it’s hormonal.
/r/PurplePillDebate20/11/24 02:29 PM
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Well I’m a guy and I agree with everything she’s saying. I used to be more sympathetic until I actually worked with GenZ guys are was astonished at their lifestyles.
/r/PurplePillDebate20/11/24 02:18 PM
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I am a man and I agree with everything you’re saying. I used to be more sympathetic but seeing the lives of GenZ guys up close has made me lose that sympathy.
/r/PurplePillDebate20/11/24 02:17 PM
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None her “issues” are so simple to fix that there is huge genetic component at play here. Amazes me how many people turn to various red pill places and often end up more miserable.
/r/PurplePillDebate18/11/24 04:57 PM
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It isn’t “standards” it’s a very well researched phenomenon called the paradox of choice. People optimize now instead of satisficing. “Back in my day” you were limited to your social circle/community on realistic dating options so you simply made the best of it and moved on with life. Now there is essentially no friction to find a million partners more choices make decisions and regret worse. This is studied in many domains not just dating.
/r/PurplePillDebate17/11/24 05:55 PM
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This doesn’t really negate the overall point of attractiveness.
/r/PurplePillDebate17/11/24 04:29 PM
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What “red pilled” you that wasn’t obvious by simply observing life. Serious I have not a clue what some of you people are even hinting at.
/r/PurplePillDebate15/11/24 07:41 PM
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A large study documented a bunch of men who go into red pill and it showed they actually had even less success with women when they started these same guys often migrate from red pill forums to incel/black pill forums. There has been a sharp decline in red pill forums in favors of black pill/incel forums.
/r/PurplePillDebate15/11/24 07:26 PM
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You’re not someone who is dealing with paradox of choice lol.
/r/PurplePillDebate14/11/24 04:04 PM
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Paradox of choice is a far bigger issue than any of this. Although social media is insidious as well but not specific to modern feminism. The environment for settling down with someone nowadays is just really bad. There is so much friction nowadays. Modern dating is about optimizing nowadays instead of satisficing. Paradoxically the first one is actually much worse for humans.
/r/PurplePillDebate14/11/24 03:05 PM
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They are usually boring, dull, sexual inexperienced, and those who are single past a certain age in a church environment lack social skills.
/r/PurplePillDebate13/11/24 01:33 PM
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Single christian men are some of the most unattractive guys around. They embody so many characteristics of what is unattractive.
/r/PurplePillDebate13/11/24 12:48 PM
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Because it’s not socially acceptable particularly with women of a certain political persuasion which you have touched on. It’s studies like these though that can revolutionize your dating life. I understand the subreddit is doomer by nature but man there is some absolute gold research here if you are willing to apply it.
/r/BlackPillScience11/11/24 04:16 PM
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Who is “they” and why do people even care what “they” say. This entire subreddit is basically neurotic posting of things that have no basis in reality. If having kids and a career is priority you’ll make it work. What “they” say is irrelevant.
/r/PurplePillDebate04/11/24 02:01 PM
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The average person who is lower middle class puts in substantially more physical work hours than those in subsequent higher classes. This may be one of the silliest things I’ve read in my life,
/r/PurplePillDebate01/11/24 03:27 PM
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Quite achievable? Research by economist Raj Chetty and colleagues indicates that children in lower-income families face significant challenges in achieving economic mobility. Children raised in the bottom fifth of the income distribution have only a 7.5% chance of reaching the top fifth as adults. This disparity is often linked to income inequality, which has increased over recent decades and limits resources available to lower-income families. You think people are not becoming UMC because they …
/r/PurplePillDebate01/11/24 01:13 PM
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You can literally go to any of the dating subreddits and see plenty of guys with profiles that check your rules who are struggle. I don’t even know what point you are trying to make with your response here?
/r/PurplePillDebate31/10/24 01:57 PM
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Read the sentence again.
/r/PurplePillDebate31/10/24 01:46 PM
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Once again most of these guys are making the most of their pics and still struggling. There’s no need for ad-hominem attacks I never once stated I’m a “pussy slayer” what childish lingo. I even state my attractiveness is not anything I’ve actually done so it’s nothing to brag about.
/r/PurplePillDebate31/10/24 01:39 PM
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My attractiveness is solely based on genetic luck. That’s exactly the point I don’t have advice for these guys and neither do attractive women who write these long lists of stuff that they would never do themselves.
/r/PurplePillDebate31/10/24 01:32 PM
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You don’t see it because one it would dismantle your argument. Two you probably swipe past these guys quickly. Regardless your n-1 experience is irrelevant. Male dating profile optimization is a huge business. The various dating subreddits here have thousands profiles checks every day and are pretty much all doing the basics you listed.
/r/PurplePillDebate31/10/24 01:26 PM
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How are they going to go out and make male friends? What does that even look like lol?
/r/PurplePillDebate31/10/24 01:07 PM
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I always find it hypocritical to tell guys they need to put in more effort when I myself put in very little effort. Most guys who struggle on dating apps put in 10x the effort I did. I broke a vast majority of rules you put in here literally and copy and pasted message for every match. Women give horrendous dating advice to guys because the guys they actually date follow none of the “rules” they give out.
/r/PurplePillDebate31/10/24 12:53 PM
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These guys don’t have a social network. That’s why they struggle on apps in the first place.
/r/PurplePillDebate31/10/24 12:50 PM
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Most men are quite desperate.
/r/PurplePillDebate30/10/24 06:21 PM
1

Large scale studies show people are actually incredibly consistent in attractiveness ratings. Even cross culturally.
/r/PurplePillDebate27/10/24 02:51 PM
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Depends on what their starting point is. Fit is far more attractive than skinny. We are seeing this with borderline women who take ozempic.
/r/PurplePillDebate27/10/24 02:40 PM
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Weight is largely irrelevant (outside of the obvious ranges) due to body composition.
/r/PurplePillDebate27/10/24 02:31 PM
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People don’t understand this. Confidence is an end product of real world feedback. To optimize for it is a Goodharts Law proposition.
/r/seduction23/10/24 04:03 PM
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The things that are “subjective” are minuscule in effect size compared to the things that are objective. Physical attractiveness research is a robust field of high quality. Why people on this subreddit try to make up their own thoughts on the subject it’s puzzling to me.
/r/seduction23/10/24 12:26 PM
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Upper body strength is 80% of the variance of male physical attractiveness. It is the singles biggest lever. The high school broccoli head spamming arms/chest/back at your local big box gym understands the science better than 99% of guys here.
/r/seduction23/10/24 12:12 PM
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I don’t think you know what I mean by “off”
/r/PurplePillDebate11/10/24 06:37 PM
3

What does being an abuser have to do with anything?
/r/PurplePillDebate11/10/24 06:24 PM
1

This is so key. There is an intuitive nature to all this that can’t be taught. A woman can just sense something is off with a guy.
/r/PurplePillDebate11/10/24 02:51 PM
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Looks matter a great deal to women. Finances are only going to move the needle if you are flat out broke or super wealthy. The study shows that, on average, men who are 5 feet 6 inches need to make an additional $175,000 annually to be as desirable as men who are almost 6 feet. The number increases with shorter heights, with men who are 5 feet, for example, needing to make an additional $317,000 in income. A 6’2” man can earn $30,000 less than a 6’ man and will be viewed as equally desirable The…
/r/MensRights10/10/24 07:34 PM
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You move on to other women.
/r/PurplePillDebate30/09/24 03:48 PM
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You’re vastly over complicating things.
/r/PurplePillDebate30/09/24 03:39 PM
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I’m very average
/r/PurplePillDebate14/09/24 09:28 PM
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https://www.researchgate.net/publication/382253515_A_Worldwide_Test_of_the_Predictive_Validity_of_Ideal_Partner_Preference-Matching
/r/PurplePillDebate14/09/24 03:26 PM
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Exactly there’s nothing inherently wrong with the dating apps they just show us are true nature. I actually love dating apps because it allowed me to meet a ton of different women who I would probably never run into day to day.
/r/PurplePillDebate14/09/24 03:15 PM
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No I don’t. A very robust and interesting research paper came out on stated vs. revealed preferences. What people state they prefer in partners is very different than revealed preferences of who they actually date. This is probably the biggest problem with modern dating advice also.
/r/PurplePillDebate14/09/24 03:07 PM
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My post history would confirm my poor social skills if anything lol.
/r/PurplePillDebate06/09/24 05:37 PM
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Don’t know what to tell you he’s extremely well known in my sport. You could probably find out quickly who it was with a google search. Not my coach but a current example is Jedd Fisch who was a high school tennis player who is a big time college football coach.
/r/PurplePillDebate06/09/24 02:56 PM
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Of course this is always the response. “You are lying about your social skills.” I can assure you that is not the truth. I broke every rule that I see get advocated by people giving dating advice to incel types.
/r/PurplePillDebate06/09/24 02:54 PM
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You don’t have to play the game to understand things about said game. My college coach never played our sport but produced multiple professional athletes. Even so I played the game and played it well and social skills had 0 correlation to my success.
/r/PurplePillDebate06/09/24 02:52 PM
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What do you mean disqualify? Red Pill/Black Pill types have these views because that is observed reality. I have dog shit social skills I never struggled dating and am happily married. Some of my friends who have much better social skills struggled and continue with dating.
/r/PurplePillDebate06/09/24 02:34 PM
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Anecdotally I don’t find this to be true at all. I have dog shit social skills never struggled dating and am happily married. Meanwhile I have friends with objectively great social skills who always struggled dating and continue too. We also know the Halo Effect completely impacts people’s perception of social skills. Go to the weight loss subreddit there are thousands of posts about how people say they are treated much better by people since the lost weight.
/r/PurplePillDebate06/09/24 02:28 PM
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Some men try very little for how big of a deal it is then.
/r/PurplePillDebate02/09/24 09:37 PM
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Why are asking men to check your hormones. Very gay.
/r/PurplePillDebate25/08/24 08:00 PM
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They clearly aren’t if you are this bitchy.
/r/PurplePillDebate25/08/24 07:51 PM
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You red pill guys really out here writing paragraphs upon paragraphs of nonsense. May want to get your hormones checked. Some of the most “beta” male shit is written by guys with red pill by their name.
/r/PurplePillDebate25/08/24 07:25 PM
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The biggest predictor of success with women is previous success with women. There will be outliers obviously but in reality there are innate things that make someone successful and they rarely just pop out of nowhere. We vastly overestimate human behavioral malleability.
/r/PurplePillDebate02/08/24 03:08 PM
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Other than standard male/female banter if you spewed some of the rhetoric I see here by both men and women you would be considered a social outcast (which many here are) in many different social groups.
/r/PurplePillDebate20/07/24 02:13 PM
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It would not be socially acceptable in any social group I’ve ever been in.
/r/PurplePillDebate20/07/24 02:06 PM
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The subreddit is filled with bias from both men and women. It’s genders of both groups who struggle with dating then taking their anger out on one another. I have never encountered any of the rhetoric I see here in real life. Maybe I hang out with far too many socially well adjusted people IRL.
/r/PurplePillDebate20/07/24 01:51 PM
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Your post seems very contradictory.
/r/PurplePillDebate15/07/24 01:43 PM
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Younger generation of guys are more miserable than ever. I don’t know if I’d call that waking up but to each their own.
/r/PurplePillDebate15/07/24 01:32 PM
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Sad revenge fantasy is perfect way to put a lot of posts here. It how every red pill post reads. You can tell immediately the person has no real world experience whatsoever. On average the hot party girl got married earlier than the other girls.
/r/PurplePillDebate15/07/24 01:15 PM
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They can get hookups and relationships more than the guys criticizing them,
/r/PurplePillDebate11/07/24 01:31 PM
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Because these women still do better in the dating market than them. It’s why these guys hate overweight women as-well. You know who doesn’t really care about either? Guys in successful relationships or those who do well in the dating market.
/r/PurplePillDebate11/07/24 12:16 PM
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Of course you don’t find it comical. You wouldn’t have written multiple paragraphs here plus hundreds of other posts whining about women if you simply understood human behavior like most of us guys figured out in high school. Quite sad really if you guys weren’t such dweebs.
/r/PurplePillDebate11/07/24 11:52 AM
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You’re not in any position to criticized one’s intelligence when you needed the red pill as a grown adult to figure out things most of us learned in high school. That you frequently give advice in a subreddit called married red pill is so utterly hilarious you couldn’t make it up. It’s comical how on brand the blind leading the blind is in red pill circles.
/r/PurplePillDebate11/07/24 11:42 AM
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And men don’t like when women complain just like your post. Why are you red pill types are so dense? Is it intentional or a coping strategy? I guess it’s too much to expect from red pill types whose entire philosophy is based on stuff most guys learn in high school.
/r/PurplePillDebate11/07/24 11:00 AM
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Parents are delusional about their kids
/r/PurplePillDebate10/07/24 07:16 PM
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Your parents were probably worried that you’d impregnate one of these bigger gals and worry about the genes of their grandchildren. Seems pretty reasonable. Depending on the quality of women you were with your friends don’t want to be associated with it, None of these seen unreasonable.
/r/PurplePillDebate10/07/24 05:29 PM
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Your point makes no sense whatsoever which is why I’m glad we have real research on the topic.
/r/PurplePillDebate09/07/24 06:37 PM
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Men are much more delusional study after study shows men overrate their own attractiveness.
/r/PurplePillDebate09/07/24 05:42 PM
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But she did much better than the obese girl with a heart of gold. This is why effect sizes matter.
/r/PurplePillDebate07/07/24 08:18 PM
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She always had a boyfriend doesn’t really strengthen your argument.
/r/PurplePillDebate07/07/24 07:55 PM
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This is such nonsense. That women care about looks does not make them shallow.
/r/PurplePillDebate07/07/24 07:04 PM
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Still have girlfriends is a poor metric though. It says nothing of the quality of the women they are dating.
/r/PurplePillDebate07/07/24 07:01 PM
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It’s very small in the grand scheme of things. When people discuss attractive or unattractive traits you need to clarify effect sizes.
/r/PurplePillDebate07/07/24 04:35 PM
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Revealed preferences shows this is not true at all.
/r/PurplePillDebate21/06/24 01:28 PM
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Social media effect on men is far worse if you believe all this. It’s makes guys believe all sorts of nonsense.
/r/PurplePillDebate21/06/24 01:20 PM
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Enough to get a girlfriend yes.
/r/PurplePillDebate19/06/24 11:57 AM
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You only have to win a few times in the dating game. Looks, personality, status.
/r/PurplePillDebate19/06/24 11:50 AM
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Because they don’t even try. it’s never been easier to separate yourself.
/r/PurplePillDebate19/06/24 11:42 AM
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Why are so many men afraid of competition nowadays?
/r/PurplePillDebate19/06/24 11:11 AM
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You’re only as faithful as your options. Most guys don’t cheat because they don’t have any options or the options they have aren’t as good at what’s at home. It isn’t a matter of permission. The more interesting question is how many guys would cheat if they were approached by an absolute smokeshow.
/r/PurplePillDebate18/06/24 07:35 PM
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Sure same for me I’m just making a more meta point.
/r/PurplePillDebate18/06/24 07:24 PM
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Because people aren’t that simple. Plenty of people who meet in these circumstances stay together.
/r/PurplePillDebate18/06/24 07:19 PM
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You can say you’re not butthurt but actions speak a lot louder than words. You also admit your struggles with validation in this department. You’re like the angry guy who demands “I’m not angry!” Someone who truly isn’t butthurt wouldn’t have made either comments.
/r/MarriedRedPill18/06/24 05:40 PM
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Negative frame has significantly more impact than positive frame. It’s why most guys fail because they fall back on their natural state. You completely lost frame in two critical moments it’s no wonder you have very little desire going on at the moment. If you would’ve just STFU’d and gone about your business you’d be in much better position. 95% of guys problems in this subreddit are related to talking too much.
/r/MarriedRedPill18/06/24 05:16 PM
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For every red pill guy who has success there are plenty more who are far worse off. The key insight is that there is no key insight. This a multifaceted topic. Way too many people try to simplify things to one key point.
/r/PurplePillDebate16/06/24 02:37 PM
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I am 100% science pilled. I’m not going to lie I had a ton of success dating before I got married because I had no biases when looking at actual research. It’s quite amazing how effective it all is. Pretty much all the pills get some research right but their own biases eliminates the data that doesn’t fit their worldview. It’s probably for the best most guys don’t understand how to read research or let their own biases get in the way. Because once you truly understand the whole picture it’s beco…
/r/PurplePillDebate16/06/24 02:01 PM
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Interesting last paragraph. I also found PUAs to be much happier people they generally found a gf and became more normie. There was also much less anger towards women.
/r/PurplePillDebate15/06/24 05:43 PM
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As somebody who is only in this for the research extraversion is the true black pill. Not only by effect sizes but also my real world experience. PUA stuff as cringey as some of it was much more conducive to success than whatever we see today in RP spaces. At least it got guys out there approaching.
/r/PurplePillDebate15/06/24 01:33 PM
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Show the studies then. Should be easy if there are dozens.
/r/PurplePillDebate10/06/24 08:36 PM
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Where? I’ve read your post multiple times and you still are neglecting basic market theory.
/r/PurplePillDebate10/06/24 08:12 PM
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Atleast form some sort of rebuttal you marked it as debate?
/r/PurplePillDebate10/06/24 08:09 PM
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What woman deem your value is the only thing that matters in the dating market because that is who you want the attract or are trying to date. It’s like saying employers don’t matter in the job market.
/r/PurplePillDebate10/06/24 07:37 PM
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Funny thing is the real black pill is actually personality research shows it’s actually very hard to change. Looks are atleast somewhat malleable.
/r/PurplePillDebate09/06/24 07:26 PM
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No you can’t. Personality is borderline impossible to change. This is well accepted in psychology. Personality psychology is one of the most robust fields of research. It’s actually the real black pill.
/r/PurplePillDebate09/06/24 07:25 PM
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Bold to assume they are in relationships lol
/r/PurplePillDebate09/06/24 05:43 PM
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Nope I have nothing everything you said is 100% factual and irrefutable. Best of luck.
/r/PurplePillDebate09/06/24 12:30 PM
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What have much large datasets on the issue compared to a vague comment about 3 compabies. You won’t change your opinion anyways so this is futile. Best of luck to you.
/r/PurplePillDebate09/06/24 12:29 PM
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Man vs. bear seriously my guy. Best of luck to you.
/r/PurplePillDebate09/06/24 12:18 PM
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Gen Z makes more money adjusted for inflation/COL than any other generation.
/r/PurplePillDebate09/06/24 12:17 PM
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Neuroticism has shown to be the highest predictor of involuntary single-hood. While extraversion has the high correlation with romantic partners. They both have significantly higher effect sizes than physical attractiveness and height.
/r/PurplePillDebate09/06/24 12:05 PM
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That’s not at all what I’m talking about. I’m talking about guys believing everything they see on social media and thinking that is reality. Most PPD men are high in neuroticism it’s a lethal combo.
/r/PurplePillDebate09/06/24 11:48 AM
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Social media is selling a lie. That is the biggest problem with Gen Z. I suppose it doesn’t matter at this most of you are so addicted to it that’ll be borderline impossible to get you back to reality.
/r/PurplePillDebate09/06/24 11:32 AM
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Because you don’t have the same personality makeup as someone who is prone to cheating.
/r/PurplePillDebate06/06/24 02:25 PM
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It’s not societal pressure it’s a biological pressure. To get made at either party is ridiculous. Odd to me how everyone wants to blame everyone for things out of our control.
/r/PurplePillDebate03/06/24 03:59 PM
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Well I’m not a woman I’m actually pretty red pilled and I agree.
/r/PurplePillDebate03/06/24 10:27 AM
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Biological impulses of what we find attractive. Read before commenting next time.
/r/PurplePillDebate03/06/24 12:12 AM
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They didn’t follow the advice then because there is more to the advice than just hit the gym get a good job. How many women has said guy approached? What social groups is said guy in. There’s plenty of financially success gymcels who go months without ever even talking to a woman.
/r/PurplePillDebate02/06/24 03:28 PM
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No it’s no one’s fault because we are controlled by biological impulses. Much of attraction is subconscious. Physical Attractiveness are just biological health markers. There’s phenomenal studies on this if you can get past your own hang ups on the subject. So no it’s not a guys fault nor is it women’s fault either. The problem is that last sentence guys expect way more out women than they do themselves.
/r/PurplePillDebate02/06/24 03:19 PM
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Read a psychology textbook and go over the chapter on similarity. You are totally botching the concept. The concept of similarity in relationships refers to the idea that individuals are more likely to form and maintain relationships with others who are similar to them in various attributes such as interests, values, personality traits, socio-economic status, education level, and even physical attractiveness. This phenomenon is often explained through several theories and principles: Homophily H…
/r/PurplePillDebate02/06/24 11:24 AM
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At some point you have to simply look at revealed preferences. Age gap relationships are incredibly rare. Being with someone who is on the same trajectory of life as you matters more. It’s the problem with red pill they pick and choose when they want to use revealed preference research.
/r/PurplePillDebate01/06/24 01:46 PM
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Totally disagree with your last part. I would probably say the number one complaint in dating subreddits is great guy/gal no “spark.”
/r/PurplePillDebate01/06/24 01:13 PM
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People subconsciously do this it’s why we see couples being incredibly looksmatched in research. Red pillers take it way too far but you are being little obtuse here.
/r/PurplePillDebate28/05/24 04:49 PM
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You’re 5’10 lol I have plenty of friends who are shorter than you in happy relationships.
/r/PurplePillDebate23/05/24 08:53 PM
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I’m not any pilled i’m happily married and friends with a bunch of less than exceptional guys myself included who are married in relationships.
/r/PurplePillDebate23/05/24 08:31 PM
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Social media informing false beliefs is more harmful. Also less social interaction than ever before. That you even bring up the 6-6-6 nonsense leads me to believe you don’t get out much.
/r/PurplePillDebate23/05/24 08:18 PM
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Honestly attraction is incredibly simple and really is a checklist. The problem is putting forth the effort.
/r/PurplePillDebate22/05/24 07:14 PM
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When I was younger my friends and I probably approached 10-20 women a weekend. To this day I can’t even remember anything being that bad. You honestly just kind of laugh thinking back. Most guys who talk about all the bad things have never even approached a woman in a traditional setting.
/r/PurplePillDebate16/05/24 12:41 PM
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Facial Symmetry has the highest effect size for both sexes on physical attractiveness.
/r/PurplePillDebate02/05/24 02:43 AM
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I’m a dude and no your ranting and raving about your lack of success is not a point. It’s a diary entry.
/r/PurplePillDebate21/04/24 06:16 PM
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Can always call out bullshit
/r/PurplePillDebate21/04/24 06:14 PM
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That’s the thing I don’t see a single point….
/r/PurplePillDebate21/04/24 06:09 PM
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What point are you trying to make here? Guys who can’t get laid despise others who can it’s not really that deep.
/r/PurplePillDebate21/04/24 06:04 PM
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If you can’t one girlfriend you are not average.
/r/PurplePillDebate17/04/24 03:36 PM
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No it’s just some of you are so asinine about the height discussions and lack any nuance.
/r/PurplePillDebate12/04/24 04:29 PM
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Are you okay dating a morbidly obese woman then? You have to say yes if your OP is true. Or else you are just a hypocrite.
/r/PurplePillDebate14/03/24 04:21 PM
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You seem to be the defensive one. I’m simply pointing out the fact why labeling is silly.
/r/PurplePillDebate11/03/24 09:35 PM
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I don’t either which is why your obsession with labeling is silly.
/r/PurplePillDebate11/03/24 09:28 PM
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What does labeling matter? People label people for all sorts of things. I have a friend who was labeled misogynistic because he said women care about looks just as much as guys do.
/r/PurplePillDebate11/03/24 09:23 PM
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Attitudes towards women became much more jaded.
/r/PurplePillDebate11/03/24 09:09 PM
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You think the only women red pill guys are meeting is mentally ill women one night stands on dating apps? Your post also illustrates nobody is more brutal to women than other women. You can’t have a fling one night on OLD without being mentally ill? Seems incredibly judgmental.
/r/PurplePillDebate11/03/24 09:06 PM
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The red pill working for guys and crushing all their once held beliefs. I known more than a few “nice guys” get into red pill it working for them then they buy hook line and sinker into all the other crap associated with it. The red pill doesn’t work for the socially autistic incel that represents this place. It does seem to be effective for the normie guy who struggles to create attraction with women. When it works for these types of guys it makes them very jaded.
/r/PurplePillDebate11/03/24 08:33 PM
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Work: Do your job but start optimizing for the job search process. You’ll get better opportunities on the open market than trying an internal manifesto. Your job has showed you how they “value” you. Sleep: CBT-I Lifting: You know what needs to done. If you just workout from home don’t sleep on pull-ups and dips. Relationship: Stop explaining yourself. Initiation will never have 100% success rate smile and move on. All your breakthroughs it seems have been derailed by this.
/r/MarriedRedPill08/03/24 04:47 PM
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No it isn't. Literally nothing is stopping you. I have done everything in the post as a guy got 0 societal backlash whatever the fuck that is.
/r/PurplePillDebate08/03/24 12:41 AM
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I hate how the red pill has been co-opted by whiny guys like you. You are completely missing the point.
/r/PurplePillDebate08/03/24 12:40 AM
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How is this specific to women? You can do the same thing as a man if you want?
/r/PurplePillDebate08/03/24 12:35 AM
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I often think of this study: Women and their parents rate ambition and intelligence as more important in a mate, but still choose more attractive men. What women don’t understand is that what you said it works or reflects the reality of things. I know so many people who had your experience. The problem with it is that it gets overrun with incels who don’t want to change or just bitch about women.
/r/PurplePillDebate06/03/24 09:42 PM
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There is absolutely nothing in here about what you are accomplishing in life. The constant talk about frame in this place is nauseating. You cannot fake frame if you have nothing going on in your life there’s nothing to have a frame about. There’s hundreds of red pill losers going on and on about frame and no one takes them seriously. Some guys could quote NMNG verbatim at this point and nothing has changed in their lives. I roll my eyes when posts start with “Started reading (insert RP book) ag…
/r/MarriedRedPill06/03/24 04:54 PM
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You basically have described all of the mainstream dating subreddits. Reddit has an epidemic of nice guys. All the comments echo the same sentiment as the bike story. I find nice guys far more pathetic than the red pill and that is saying something. They are also far more manipulative.
/r/PurplePillDebate06/03/24 03:54 PM
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You are one of those guys who makes being divorced your entire personality. You need to stop psychoanalyzing everything. Action begets behavior. Get serious about your lifting, be a kickass dad, and start crushing it at work. Stop hanging around divorce subreddits and be cautious of hanging around other divorced guys. Misery loves company.
/r/MarriedRedPill04/03/24 05:25 PM
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Why do you care what women say? Every single guy I grew up with up understood women care about looks by like high school. You just observe the world around you. This is what I don’t understand about you red pill types are you just this naive?
/r/PurplePillDebate03/03/24 03:56 PM
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Who says women should share high value men. It’s more of an observation they do. I don’t think the research there is all that shocking.
/r/PurplePillDebate02/03/24 06:50 PM
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Population levels sure individual it is kind of pointless.
/r/PurplePillDebate02/03/24 06:48 PM
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I care very deeply about looks you just have to understand if you do you can’t be in a different stratosphere than what you like. Which is a lot of guys problems. My radical opinion is dating apps should give people an aggregated attractiveness score and show people with the same score.
/r/PurplePillDebate02/03/24 05:46 PM
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On a population level there are certainly age curves of desirability. The male curve skews older. That’s really all there is and you and RP make it out to be something more than it is.
/r/PurplePillDebate02/03/24 04:38 PM
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I mean it’s true not really that groundbreaking but not very applicable for most of the guys here. He’s basically giving an idiot version of the big 5 personalities.
/r/PurplePillDebate28/02/24 09:30 PM
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It’s just neuroticism. It’s one of the biggest predictors of single hood. It’s the elephant in the room with guys here.
/r/PurplePillDebate28/02/24 09:11 PM
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Neuroticism is one of the biggest predictors of involuntary singlehood. It’s rampant on this site with guys. Just read OPs post pure neuroticism.
/r/PurplePillDebate28/02/24 09:07 PM
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Idk I just roll my eyes at all the rhetoric half these guys could look like Brad Pitt and it wouldn’t matter because they are so neurotic.
/r/PurplePillDebate24/02/24 08:51 PM
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Have you ever actually been around a women? Every gf I had took 10x the effort to get ready and spent 10x the amount of money on appearance stuff. Not to mention men don’t get screwed by the age curve. It’s also far easier to stay in shape as a guy. Some of you really need to venture outside in the real world.
/r/PurplePillDebate24/02/24 08:49 PM
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A vast majority of them have mental illness. It’s the “elephant” in the room. Neuroticism and social anxiety not to mention being straight up autistic. That’s the real black pill. Very very minute % of guys are actually not successful because of looks.
/r/PurplePillDebate24/02/24 08:06 PM
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Men do not accept they are convinced that attractiveness levels should be a bell curve.
/r/PurplePillDebate20/02/24 05:38 PM
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It’s not a hot take it’s factually correct men just get very upset by it.
/r/PurplePillDebate20/02/24 04:34 PM
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Personality traits are pretty stable.
/r/PurplePillDebate13/02/24 07:19 PM
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No because I think neuroticism is a huge factor as well.
/r/PurplePillDebate13/02/24 07:15 PM
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Most things they enjoy is a result of capitalism.
/r/PurplePillDebate12/02/24 09:48 PM
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It’s a fun excuse to get out and splurge a little more than usual. It’s not that deep.
/r/PurplePillDebate12/02/24 09:45 PM
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No I think it’s simply genetics.
/r/PurplePillDebate12/02/24 09:43 PM
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It can be fun dropping some physical attractive research into normie subs. People lose their shit.
/r/PurplePillDebate04/02/24 05:16 PM
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Depends on what your standards are tbh. If your standards are supermodels you could probably work through that and date more normal women. I don’t think you can make someone attracted to people who are unattractive though. You are far better off raising up your value in the market.
/r/PurplePillDebate04/02/24 05:14 PM
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The beauty of dating is it is one of the most honest markets around. No one “settles” people date who will date them.
/r/PurplePillDebate04/02/24 05:43 AM
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Some of y’all need therapy.
/r/PurplePillDebate03/02/24 07:50 PM
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It matters it’s just people can’t get everything they want. Women prefer taller men there are only just so many to go around.
/r/PurplePillDebate03/02/24 07:04 PM
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There’s nothing to answer you weirdo
/r/PurplePillDebate03/02/24 06:56 PM
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lol
/r/PurplePillDebate03/02/24 06:43 PM
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How so I’m conservative the type of person you think the left is after and I had no problem dating. Even have dated some very liberal women. Physical attraction is biological not political.
/r/PurplePillDebate03/02/24 06:38 PM
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You having to explain things to your mom may be why have you problems dating in the first place. You can show respect without being whiny.
/r/PurplePillDebate03/02/24 06:31 PM
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On an individual level it is not a political issue. seems silly to be angry at the left or the right for that matter.
/r/PurplePillDebate03/02/24 06:30 PM
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Don’t get me wrong there is some truth within black pill research. You guys just take it too far. There are things you can do, and women aren’t the enemy. Best of luck to you.
/r/PurplePillDebate03/02/24 04:42 PM
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Somewhat but you totally miss the value of a relationship and are getting emotional about it. Problem with a lot of you guys you might make an interesting observation but take it way too far or project your own insecurities.
/r/PurplePillDebate03/02/24 04:24 PM
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You get a couple things right here but then go into all the usual incel cliches.
/r/PurplePillDebate03/02/24 04:17 PM
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Sure but good doesn’t mean a high quality partner. This is the problem with the other side of guys with dating woes.
/r/PurplePillDebate28/01/24 06:51 PM
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It’s always odd to me that people who struggle dating are the “good ones.” I’m much more rational and think your prospects dwindle mightily as you get older. It’s simple market dynamics.
/r/PurplePillDebate28/01/24 06:15 PM
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You don’t need to show vulnerability in a relationship. This is one of those dumb things people who struggle with dating think.
/r/PurplePillDebate28/01/24 06:13 PM
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Their actions align with the research not what they say.
/r/PurplePillDebate27/01/24 07:06 PM
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I think it’s only appropriate when people are delusional. There are way too many ugly guys and gals who vastly overestimate their looks.
/r/PurplePillDebate27/01/24 06:56 PM
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People say stuff all the time that is different than their actions why would I care about that?
/r/PurplePillDebate27/01/24 06:41 PM
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No not at all and I am pretty financially secure. I have 0 interest in new stuff.
/r/PurplePillDebate27/01/24 05:51 PM
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One of the few times I agree with you. Research shows there is actually very little differences among attractive ratings this is even true cross-culturally.
/r/PurplePillDebate27/01/24 05:48 PM
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Who cares what people think they deserve if you are high value you can date whoever you want. You red pill guys are such morons. I never had to settle for average women in my life.
/r/PurplePillDebate20/01/24 11:01 PM
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Whatever makes you sleep at night lol
/r/PurplePillDebate20/01/24 10:55 PM
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No not really
/r/PurplePillDebate20/01/24 10:52 PM
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It’s much more rare than younger guys think it was in the past. I met plenty of women at clubs/bars but more longer relationships were formed through social/work contacts. This is how I met my wife. Appearances matter don’t get me wrong but most guys’ problems here is they have no social lives.
/r/PurplePillDebate20/01/24 07:48 PM
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Because the caliber of men is at an all time low
/r/PurplePillDebate20/01/24 06:36 PM
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On the contrary it’s never been easier to set yourself apart. Also looks have always mattered most guys here just lack the social intelligence to understand it.
/r/PurplePillDebate20/01/24 06:22 PM
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Your post is literally titled women’s attraction to dangerous and men. Why not just make the post women are attracted to confident and attractive men. Dangerous and violence part is irrelevant. It’s like the million bad boy posts we see here.
/r/PurplePillDebate12/01/24 06:37 PM
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There are plenty of dangerous and violent men who are not attractive at all. Your cherry picked examples are also no attractive because they are violent it’s because those guys have the other characteristics that women find attractive. It’s the “bad boy fallacy” so many red pillers misunderstand.
/r/PurplePillDebate12/01/24 05:50 PM
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Don’t be a simp then it is quite simple.
/r/PurplePillDebate12/01/24 05:46 PM
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What problem? Date who you want?
/r/PurplePillDebate12/01/24 05:42 PM
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This is a such a “nice guy” post. I am a guy and wouldn’t put up with a vast majority of the things listed. People are entitled to date who they want. Why is this so confusing.
/r/PurplePillDebate12/01/24 05:31 PM
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Red Pill fan fiction and not at all how it works in real life. These are complete ridiculous extremes.
/r/PurplePillDebate09/01/24 06:36 PM
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Bingo. Bad boys are attractive because they are confident, usually have a bit of narcissism so very looks focused, and aren’t afraid of rejection. You can’t emulate this if you are a 5’5 timid guy and just like you said start treating women’s badly lol
/r/PurplePillDebate09/01/24 06:31 PM
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I think so many guys here don’t understand why women like about bad boys. They don’t emulate the correct characteristics.
/r/PurplePillDebate09/01/24 05:56 PM
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I’m the furthest thing from a red pill guy but I do think women lie about how much physical attractiveness matters. Also due to the halo effect it colors how we perceive people personalities. Your conversation point is the perfect example of how this plays out in real life.
/r/PurplePillDebate09/01/24 05:15 PM
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Seems to attract a high number of people on the spectrum.
/r/PurplePillDebate05/01/24 02:00 PM
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What does it matter they both suffer from lack of social skills.
/r/PurplePillDebate05/01/24 01:54 PM
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For the most part I agree, but the whiners are never going to be 10s and often their social skills are so atrocious that even a small improvement could help them a lot. It is the one constant variable of all incels/red pill guys. Hilariously bad social ineptitude.
/r/PurplePillDebate05/01/24 01:45 PM
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Social skills are everything for 90% of guys. Have you ever noticed the wide variation in looks of most red pill/incels The most constant variable is social ineptitude.
/r/PurplePillDebate05/01/24 01:39 PM
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I think younger guys vastly overestimate how easy it was to cold approach women at bars even pre dating apps. Or they are much more sensitive to rejection.
/r/PurplePillDebate02/01/24 04:37 PM
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Both groups suffer from low status which is why they are angry. This is 90% of PPD in a nutshell. 10% of us are here for the circus.
/r/PurplePillDebate02/01/24 03:49 AM
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It’s because things don’t magically work out in your 30s. I think you are going to get a very skewed perspective here as well so take the advice here with a grain of salt. Me and wife got married mid to late twenties and we do envy our single friends at all. Also the “talent pool” is much thinner and there is more competition.
/r/PurplePillDebate27/12/23 06:27 PM
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Anecdotally I hear many more regrets from the second group than the first group. This is just not wrt to dating either…
/r/PurplePillDebate27/12/23 06:11 PM
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You think women are actively trying to make it harder to find a partner instead of simply not being interested? I can’t imagine going through life like this.
/r/PurplePillDebate27/12/23 05:53 PM
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They have status within their demographic,
/r/PurplePillDebate26/12/23 05:11 PM
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Not even worth arguing with your types anymore. Believe whatever you want to believe. I live in the real world where outside of extreme outliers status matters far more than looks. One thing I have noticed with red pill/Incels is that it is actually quite shocking the variability in looks. One constant is that most are low status in society.
/r/PurplePillDebate26/12/23 04:57 PM
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The whole premise of this question is quite ludicrous. Imagine if you reframed the question how does an average woman get a 10/10 male. Anyways they don’t because most couples are status-matched. Looks is only one piece of this puzzle which is what a lot of you guys don’t understand. I am always a bit befuddled how much men focus on it here. There is quite a variation of looks among red pill/incels. Almost all are low status.
/r/PurplePillDebate26/12/23 04:40 PM
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Red pill guys are worried about “losing frame” because they vacuumed.
/r/PurplePillDebate16/12/23 06:39 PM
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Very funny lol. Me and my wife do chores because we both work and we want to have a clean house and it’s more efficient that way. Utterly bizzare guys here can make chores into a red pill talking point,
/r/PurplePillDebate16/12/23 05:41 PM
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Some of you write about relationships like you are from a different planet.
/r/PurplePillDebate16/12/23 05:26 PM
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Not an asshole but naive.
/r/PurplePillDebate13/12/23 02:34 PM
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My problems aren’t with the content of red pill my problem is guys thinking the content works. If it “worked” I would be much less judgmental. Most red pill guys I met are socially awkward weirdos. There have been numerous red pill types who have caught LARPing. They get a few things right but go totally off the deep end on other stuff that makes them probably less dateable. It would be 10x easier to reform a nice guy or blue pilled guy than a red pill guy. People who complain about red pill bei…
/r/PurplePillDebate10/12/23 06:54 PM
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Why do you guys always got to be in these dumb competitions? Just find people you like to be around. You have literally hundreds of posts arguing with incels and you are lecturing someone who has been happily married for 10 years on happiness. The cognitive dissonance is amazing.....
/r/PurplePillDebate02/12/23 04:30 PM
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Economics of the dating market. There are going to be more singles in their 20s than their are in the 30s. The high quality partners are going to get snatched up quicker. It's simple supply and demand. It doesn't mean you can't find a high quality partner in your 30s but the amount and competition for them are much harder. Single people don't want to hear this because they take it very personally. Yet at the same time they are the ones bitching about the quality of partners in the dating as each…
/r/PurplePillDebate02/12/23 04:20 PM
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Simple math makes dating in your 30s harder. The single greatest dating pool for high quality partners is college and post-grad. I also think people are much more mature in their 20s than you give them credit for. I did hang out with a very driven crowd though and we all have SOs by mid-late 20s. The few people I know who are still single are struggling to find high quality partners.
/r/PurplePillDebate02/12/23 03:54 PM
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This place only attracts the most miserable. It's the Yelp Effect. There is no greater example of that than the looksmaxxing rhetoric you see here. This place is the single worst place for guys because it falsely internalizes a lot of irrational fearmongering.
/r/PurplePillDebate01/12/23 04:37 PM
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If you are single and not in the best shape of your life you should not have any complaints about the dating scene. Boggles my mind how many single guys are in terrible shape. Upper body strength is the single biggest roi to increase physical attractiveness from a research standpoint.
/r/PurplePillDebate21/11/23 02:52 PM
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You seem to be a very open and curious person so you have the going on for you. Both good qualities. Don't be so hard on yourself.
/r/PurplePillDebate11/10/23 08:21 PM
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Grab a intro to social pysch textbook and read the chapter of interpersonal relationships and attraction. Then go deeper from there. There are so many things going on in the background of why we choose who we choose attractive and as romantic partners.
/r/PurplePillDebate11/10/23 08:05 PM
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I knew you would deflect after making a fool of yourself. You can't just throw out words like Peer Reviewed Research and not expect to get called out when you clearly don't even know what it means. I'm still laughing my ass of you bringing that up after I already addressed replication. Like that you keep responding and haven't deleted you messages has me dying laughing right now.
/r/PurplePillDebate11/10/23 07:53 PM
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Omg did you just say Peer Reviewed Research. I literally addressed that here: It's one of the few topics that has held up to the replication crisis. What do you think the replication crisis is honey? Stuff that failed to be held up by Peer Reviewed Research. Research on attraction is one of the few things that has held. That's the whole point. Have you worked with any research in your entire life? I can't imagine missing the point this much. This is kind of hilarious.
/r/PurplePillDebate11/10/23 07:46 PM
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Ignorance is bliss. I often forget I am arguing with obese women and incels here who barely graduated high school.
/r/PurplePillDebate11/10/23 07:37 PM
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Love and attraction is one of the most studied topics in social sciences. It's one of the few topics that has held up to the replication crisis. If you are going to call something shoddy back it up with data instead of just-so stories. There is so much going on biologically to say you are consciously choosing who you find attractive is so utterly ridiculous nobody with a modicum of science background wouldn't laugh you out of the building.
/r/PurplePillDebate11/10/23 07:33 PM
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We aren't consciously choosing our spouses. A vast majority of factors that go into physical attraction and love are subconscious. We then derive narratives based on our biology. We see this all the time with things like the Halo Effect and other research topics in love and attraction. You may think you are choosing but that is human bias at play.
/r/PurplePillDebate11/10/23 07:25 PM
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There was a famous research paper in the 30s that talked about the detriment of height in dating. It's no different than it has ever been the only difference is that it is more out in the open now. I suppose there was a bit more ignorance is bliss back in the day.
/r/PurplePillDebate11/10/23 01:05 AM
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It wasn't advice it was more a commentary. I am well aware the incels and overweight women here aren't going to listen to advice.
/r/PurplePillDebate27/09/23 09:09 PM
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Correct but I had to check this place out to see if it lived up to the memes.
/r/PurplePillDebate27/09/23 09:02 PM
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Curiosity I guess. This place is kind of a meme one has to check it out to really see it for yourself.
/r/PurplePillDebate27/09/23 08:59 PM
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I am borderline convinced 95% of the men and women here have not left their computer screens or have even been in real world dating scenarios in either years or forever. The last place you people need to be is another internet message board that reinforces your warped beliefs.
/r/PurplePillDebate27/09/23 08:52 PM
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"If only" is one of the dumbest things ever. I deal with reality.
/r/PurplePillDebate20/08/23 09:31 PM
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Fortunate enough? I bust my ass in the gym and take care of my appearance.
/r/PurplePillDebate20/08/23 06:29 PM
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Obviously it is harder but why does that matter to me? Also 28% + 92% = 120% lol
/r/PurplePillDebate20/08/23 05:50 PM
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Well for men who live in the USA the average woman is over weight medically. The average weight is 170 pounds, which is well into over weight territory. The USA is the heaviest and fattest nation in the world. What does this have to do with anything if don't want to date them don't date them. I like attractive fit women so I only dated attractive fit women. It is quite simple really.
/r/PurplePillDebate20/08/23 05:38 PM
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Plenty of people want things they can't have what is your point? I get the feeling some of you do not understand that dating is a zero sum game. It is a competition probably the oldest there is in human history. I understood this very early on in life but some of you red pills guys for a lack of a better word are very naive or just being obtuse on purpose. It is one of the most confusing things in the world to me. The funniest one I read on here all the time is "overweight women have unreasonabl…
/r/PurplePillDebate20/08/23 04:55 PM
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That's called losing weight not manipulating it.
/r/PurplePillDebate20/08/23 02:33 PM
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Yup this is the elephant in the room. I tell guys to focus on their posture for a million reasons one being it can make you seem more much taller. a 5'10 guy with good posture with appear taller than a 6'1 guy with terrible posture. You cannot manipulate weight.
/r/PurplePillDebate20/08/23 02:23 PM
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I don't think it matters much for modern dating. If you are dead broke it probably isn't great for your chances and if you are extremely wealthy you probably can attract a certain type of girl. Outside of that if you are a regular joe it's not going to matter much if you go from 70k-120k. But if you get in much better shape it would move the needle much further.
/r/PurplePillDebate17/08/23 01:51 AM
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I think it is extremely overrated to be quite honest and it only matters at the extremes. If you are extremely poor or extremely rich it will change your success but if you are middle class it doesn't move the needle as much as looks.
/r/PurplePillDebate17/08/23 01:42 AM
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Women want manly, tall, masculine, strong, dominant, high status men. Somehow this is controversial here lol.
/r/PurplePillDebate12/08/23 01:27 PM
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What the heck are you talking about? Woke thinking isn't stopping guys from going to the gym/learning how to dress better/personal hygiene etc.
/r/PurplePillDebate07/08/23 06:46 PM
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Men are in competition with each other, not in competition with women. I am a dude and it shocking to me how many guys do not understand this. I can't get over how many overweight unkempt single guys there are. You would think with how little some guys try other guys would be taking advantage of that.
/r/PurplePillDebate07/08/23 06:41 PM
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