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JustinTime112/r/MensRights05/07/11 12:34 PM
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I agree, however that article will not make anyone who doesn't think that change their mind, it only serves to make those of us who already know that nod and agree.
/r/MensRights01/04/12 09:40 AM
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I am no way bashing mensrights, stop assuming any criticism must come from the opposition. I am bashing those who make us look like tools by saying things like "women don't really suffer or have creativity".
/r/MensRights01/04/12 09:30 AM
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That's a well written article!
/r/MensRights01/04/12 09:19 AM
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"Radfem" is a short easy term I often use. But 'bigot' and 'sexist' work as well.
/r/MensRights01/04/12 04:18 AM
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Youtube videos and then talking about that specific instance is great, and if you follow up with statistics showing that this is part of a broader general problem, even better. But showing youtube videos and then using that as evidence for the broader general problem only makes us look bad.
/r/MensRights01/04/12 04:08 AM
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Not all ways of raising awareness for an issue are good. A crappily written article citing youtube instead of the actual available statistics and reports is not going to change anyone's minds, and could actually hurt the cause by making us look unintellectual. Same thing goes for your broad use of "the feminist idealogy". Men being innately abusive is not a part of any mainstream feminist idealogy, so please refer to it as "radical feminist idealogy". You are alienating even more people from our…
/r/MensRights01/04/12 03:57 AM
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Who the fuck hasn't heard of Ayn Rand??
/r/MensRights01/04/12 03:34 AM
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And this is why people don't take /r/mensrights seriously.
/r/MensRights01/04/12 02:48 AM
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While it's definitely true that female on male violence is underreported, underpunished, and there is little support for males in that situation, that doesn't change the fact that this is a terrible article. You can't support a position, no matter how right that position is, with links to two youtube videos and a quote from a 1960s senator.
/r/MensRights01/04/12 02:38 AM
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I have moved from my assertion that Kloo represents the majority view of the community, although curiously Rich can't decide whether he agrees or not. I will not move from my assertion that gender roles hurt both men and women, that would be ridiculous as it is obvious that it does. Surely you don't think gender roles have no negative aspects for women at all today? You seem like a smart chap.
/r/MensRights18/09/11 06:52 PM
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What a thoughtful and intelligent response that addresses the key points of my comment.
/r/MensRights18/09/11 06:34 PM
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No, I took the opinion hosted on the sidebar as information for people just getting into your community as representing the majority of your community. Don't act like it was just some random post I saw in a thread. And sorry for the false dichotomy, here's the true trichotomy: with statistics an opinion is either in the majority or minority. Either most people agree with Kloo, or most people don't, or it is exactly half an half. So either most of the people here agree with Kloo and are ironicall…
/r/MensRights18/09/11 06:33 PM
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It can still be raising someone up to take away a 'privilege'. For example, taking away man's 'privilege' of being the only gender allowed to do combat duties raises man up. Similarly, feminists have gotten rid of their "privilege" to not having to work ever, in favor of having the ability to work. In the end, to raise both genders up so that they can both do whatever they want, ALL privileges must be abolished. I am sure they are out there and you haven't bothered to look for them. Radical femi…
/r/MensRights18/09/11 06:30 PM
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Qualified women are not allowed to serve in any first line combat role in the military for one. Sexism and gender roles hurt both sexes, who cares who it hurts more. Most feminists and most MRAs want gender equality, so we should stop the pissing contest and stereotyping.
/r/MensRights18/09/11 06:20 PM
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Are you trying for purposeful irony? How sick would you feel if a feminist said "We'll stop stereotyping MRAs as wife-beaters when they stop stereotyping us as matriarchists, after thousands of years of institutional discrimination they'll just continue if we give in".
/r/MensRights18/09/11 06:01 PM
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You are being slippery. Either most of the community agrees with Kloo, and you guys are ironically stereotyping, or else it is "just the opinion of one poster". Decide which.
/r/MensRights18/09/11 05:59 PM
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Advocating more for both while both are ahead in some ways and behind in others. Really, arguing over who is more repressed when you both for the most part want equality, is like black people and hispanics arguing over who is more discriminated against when both want an end to racism.
/r/MensRights18/09/11 05:57 PM
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You have a misconception about feminism. Feminism's goal is to raise women up, yes. Most branches of feminism do not think that you can fully raise women up without making men equal as well. Only radical feminism wants disequality. Certain types of feminists (gender egalitarians) completely agree with a lot of the MRM issues, and yet they are being alienated by Kloo's stereotyping.
/r/MensRights18/09/11 05:54 PM
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Sorry, I read the prologue, as you said, and was mislead. I have spent some time reading what appears to be the text and you guys for the most part do not stereotype feminists. It would be nice to have those of you who agree that Kloo does not represent the majority opinion in his post would comment saying so here so that it would not seem like it is just my opinion. If I were to message our moderator he would just see this, think I was concern trolling, and delete the message.
/r/MensRights18/09/11 05:52 PM
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Well duh, that's why it's stupid. I have encountered a few self claimed MRAs that claim that men are genetically superior to women, but I don't stereotype all MRAs to be these guys. Just because a minority of feminists want women to have more rights, does not mean you should stereotype all feminists.
/r/MensRights18/09/11 05:48 PM
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Why would an issue that most of the community agrees about divide the community? Most of you have pointed out that you do not agree with Kloo's conclusion.
/r/MensRights18/09/11 05:35 PM
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Yes, we should only be the bigger man when we see that others are doing it first.
/r/MensRights18/09/11 05:32 PM
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I commend them as well. Still doesn't mean we shouldn't fix the prologue...
/r/MensRights18/09/11 05:30 PM
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Many feminists want a lot of the rights for men that you guys describe, feminists came up with the idea of "financial abortion" as well, did you know that? But I guess you want to stereotype a large and varied group of people based on a subset (radical feminists)?
/r/MensRights18/09/11 05:29 PM
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Pffft. And I could easily say something really stupid like a lot of KKK members are also MRAs. Once again, stereotyping a whole group based on a subset will never be the correct way to go about things.
/r/MensRights18/09/11 05:27 PM
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And what if people have smaller deal breakers? I think gender-equal feminists would actually be ripe for recruiting and understanding the issues that mens' rights represents, but that sidebar stereotyping feminists may be a deal breaker for them.
/r/MensRights18/09/11 05:25 PM
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I really take issue with your thinking that only a fool would read a posted opinion in the sidebar right under "Who is Men's Rights?" and think that it is the majority opinion. If you are issue based, then it is a waste of time at best to have non-issues like Kloo's opinion on the sidebar, and at worse it drives away potential MRAs. What is the worst that could happen from the group of us politely asking the moderator to remove it?
/r/MensRights18/09/11 05:19 PM
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Really? If you encountered a new place would you click on a few links about Obama and homeless people and another ten links, or would click on the stuff like "Who is Men's Rights?" and "Are you a feminist? Read this." Are you being stubborn on purpose. You have admitted there is a problem and now you resist changing it by trying to say that it is a small problem beneath our notice. If that is so, what harm could come from getting rid of the problem?
/r/MensRights18/09/11 05:15 PM
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You are going to judge all feminists there by some links? Even your front page acknowledges that MRAs upvote untruths sometimes.. Both groups have crazies in them, you guys have been trying to shake your affiliation with the KKK for a while now. The difference is you guys have a link on your sidebar that stereotypes feminists, and everyone here agrees that it does not represent the majority view, and yet you don't want to remove it. Tell me why it should stay up then.
/r/MensRights18/09/11 05:12 PM
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MR is the face MRM on Reddit.
/r/MensRights18/09/11 05:08 PM
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Blaming all feminists for radical feminists would be like a feminism telling you guys you should promote a coherent group because one or two MRAs don't want women in the military at all, while a lot want women to sign up for the draft as well.
/r/MensRights18/09/11 05:08 PM
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Helping the forum is helping the cause. ;)
/r/MensRights18/09/11 05:07 PM
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They would say the exact same thing...
/r/MensRights18/09/11 05:06 PM
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/feminisms doesn't have anything about Men's Rights in it's sidebar... and against Men's Rights is obviously against us... I already tried to prove that to you, if you remember that it was feminists that came up with financial abortion. Perhaps we should be the bigger men and lead by example instead of doing things we know are bad like stereotyping and excusing it by sayings "well they do it to us".
/r/MensRights18/09/11 05:05 PM
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Imagine all the redditors who read the sidebar, turned their nose in disgust at the stereotyping and left without making a post about it? Perhaps it was wrong of me to assume that the Men's Rights sidebar that provides information about Men's Rights represented the majority opinion of the MRM, but believe me there are plenty of people who have read and assumed that and left.
/r/MensRights18/09/11 05:01 PM
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I thought your purpose and priority was to make the Men's Rights movement an accepted movement? Therefore it would actually be your purpose or priority to present a logical and coherent face to the rest of Reddit so that they do not automatically discount Men's Rights as I have done before talking to you guys and finding out that the sidebars' information about Men's Rights doesn't represent the majority view.
/r/MensRights18/09/11 04:59 PM
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You just said that this is a news group and you don't care what face this subreddit shows the world. I don't believe that and neither do you. What if there was a post linked on the sidebar about one users opinion that women should not be allowed to vote or something ridiculous like that? You would want that removed. Whether I am a concern troll or not (I'm not), does it matter if my suggestion will actually help the forum?
/r/MensRights18/09/11 04:52 PM
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Not at all, I legitimately believe in the issues Men's Rights represents, I am just alienated by the feminism stereotyping and hate represented by that post and by many of the people here like Kloo. If you guys also did not want Mens' Rights represented this way, then why wouldn't you work with me to talk with the moderator to get that post removed from the sidebar? Don't you want to present a logical and coherent face to the world? Many redditors judge Men's Rights by what they read in the side…
/r/MensRights18/09/11 04:47 PM
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Easy, the right to serve in any military position they are qualified for. And plenty of feminists want that actually.
/r/MensRights18/09/11 04:45 PM
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And they did not in a year post a comment in the comment section saying they disagreed with his view. Not one in seven. Moot point. If you don't like his opinion, and I don't like, and no one seems to like it, why don't we lobby to get it taken down so Men's Rights can be taken seriously?
/r/MensRights18/09/11 04:42 PM
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I could argue with you about those links, but it is a moot point. The point is you do not agree that Kloo's viewpoint represents Mens' Rights, but you are fine with it being on the sidebar representing the forum. If you actually believed in Mens' Rights you would want this place to be more than just a place to spread news amongst you who already believe, you would also want it to show a convincing and logical face to those who do not believe in Men's Rights. At least I hope you would.
/r/MensRights18/09/11 04:41 PM
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No one has explained that actually, why don't you? Explain to me how those feminists I named are radical feminists.
/r/MensRights18/09/11 04:36 PM
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This is not my first time coming in here and talking about this. You would be surprised by how many people here firmly hold that the feminist movement is mostly being advanced by the radical feminists and feminists who enable them. This is the first time I have had one or two MRAs disagree with that. If you do not think that this view represents the majority of MensRights, why don't you guys get together and request it be taken down? I agree with Men's Rights on just about all the issues, but th…
/r/MensRights18/09/11 04:31 PM
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If it does not represent the opinion of the Men's Rights movement, why is it still on the sidebar then? Shouldn't you be lobbying that it be taken down? And I think you are just not looking for them. Did you know that it was feminist women who came up with the idea of Financial Abortion, one of the key ideas in men's rights? No? Look up Frances Goldschieder and Melanie McCulley. There are sex-positive feminists defending pornography, and plenty of feminists trying to get women into equal roles i…
/r/MensRights18/09/11 04:25 PM
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So now you're generalizing the whole feminism movement and assuming that it is radical feminism in disguise?
/r/MensRights18/09/11 04:17 PM
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If it is only one MRA who has generalized feminists unfairly, why is his post made up of seven contributing MRAs' opinions, and what is hardwarequestions currently arguing right now in the post above you?
/r/MensRights18/09/11 04:16 PM
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That lengthy post explains itself rather adequately: It is the opinion of that post that all feminists are radical feminists or radical feminist enablers unless evidence proves otherwise. I did not say it was grounds for dismissing the entire MRM, you are projecting on me.
/r/MensRights18/09/11 04:14 PM
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The problem is that Male's Rights Advocates has a policy that assumes all feminists are radical feminists (want more rights for women than men) or supporters of radical feminists unless otherwise proven. At the same time, they HATE it when people assume that MRAs want things to go back to the Victorian age where women are baby factories unless otherwise proven. The irony is that they are discriminating against feminists the same way they hate to be discriminated against.
/r/MensRights18/09/11 04:11 PM
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Not gut instinct, the fact that that post tags at least seven other MRAs as contributors (and none of them complained in the comments). Also, right at the top of the sidebar there is "earning scorn from feminism since 2008" and the "difference between MRA and feminism", all which link to a similar argument that all feminists can be assumed to be radical feminists. If you do not think that Kloo's post represents you, why are you arguing with me instead of lobbying to get it removed?
/r/MensRights18/09/11 04:07 PM
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Sure they can, if they assume that most men who want to oppress women are Males Rights Activists, then they can easily say that you have a unified front and control over everything. Just like how when you wrongly assume that most feminists are male oppressors who want women to have more rights than men, you can make that argument you made up there that these "men oppressors" control everything. How do you not see the irony that you are doing exactly what the feminists (who you guys are purported…
/r/MensRights18/09/11 04:03 PM
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It seems you would rather assume I am a troll rather than talk with me. Then it seems you would rather assume I have a closed off mind than talk with me. Now I am too hostile to be talked to? I am starting to think that you don't actually have a well thought out opposing opinion to talk about.
/r/MensRights18/09/11 03:57 PM
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It is obviously a collective effort, and it has been on the front page of the forum for the past year with no internal dispute, so it would seem most of the community agrees with it, including the current mods who have the power to remove it.
/r/MensRights18/09/11 03:55 PM
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I am no troll, but I suppose any one who disagrees with you must be too below your intelligence to discuss things with.
/r/MensRights18/09/11 03:53 PM
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"Irony, really? When those men are the ones who hold public office, sit in academia, and have their articles published in major publications it's very hard to say that the majority of men are not like that." Gee, wouldn't you hate it if a feminist made a sweeping generalization like that?
/r/MensRights18/09/11 03:51 PM
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You could keep dodging discussion or you could enlighten me. Your move.
/r/MensRights18/09/11 03:48 PM
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That is on your FAQ on the right hand side: "are you a feminist? Read this,".
/r/MensRights18/09/11 03:47 PM
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Not trolling, just pointing out a legitimate case of irony.
/r/MensRights18/09/11 03:40 PM
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Damn, I'm sorry. I originally came to Men's Rights because I thought it was a neat idea to have more gender neutral court decisions in criminal and civil cases, and I was curious about financial abortion. But it seems that Men's Rights is more of sexist/women-hating movement than an intellectual one. I am really disappointed.
/r/MensRights15/07/11 09:03 PM
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You said he should "not reproduce", you didn't even advocate his castration. It's just too bad that you posted the context now when no one will be looking at this thread and see that you have been falsely lynched by Men's Rights.
/r/MensRights15/07/11 08:41 PM
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Sexualized =/= misogyny
/r/MensRights13/07/11 11:01 PM
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Hmm that is interesting. I agree, creep shaming is a bad thing. If we focused on the creep shaming aspect we would appear a lot more legitimate than if we keep trying to say that she thinks men who ask her out are misogynistic. The latter is clearly sensationalism, whereas the former is legitimate.
/r/MensRights11/07/11 10:32 PM
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If you can't find a transcript or video of her disagreeing with Stef saying EG was not a misogynist, this just sounds like hearsay.
/r/MensRights11/07/11 10:22 PM
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That's tricky, while an average difference in physical upper body strength has been proven, no one has conclusively proven there exists a significant biological natural difference between men and women as far as cognitive capabilities go. In fact, to prove this would require experiments where you remove a large group of men and women away from society and raise them by machines with the same culture, which is completely unethical. The pay gap (if we are correctly measuring that there is a pay ga…
/r/MensRights10/07/11 07:42 PM
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That would change things. Link please?
/r/MensRights10/07/11 07:27 PM
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Educate me with a link please?
/r/MensRights10/07/11 06:46 PM
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No one (not even feminists) will claim that men and women are the same on average. Some MRAs will claim that men and women form complementary roles, but this makes the fallacy of assigning roles to individuals in a gender based on averages. The real goal in gender equality is to stop as much as possible the assigning of roles and bad associations with certain genders (fathers with the role of secondary parent, women as the sole occupiers of the role of victim, etc.). The goal is to get people to…
/r/MensRights09/07/11 04:19 PM
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Sensationalist much? Isn't this an argument that anesthetic should be applied and perhaps the procedure should be done at a later age? Yes, it's painful to watch, but a video of a person getting open heart surgery with no painkillers isn't a logical argument against heart surgery, it's sensationalism. I have yet to be convinced either way on the circumcision debate, but this won't convince any one. We can do better.
/r/MensRights09/07/11 03:39 PM
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This is ridiculous, she did not say he was misogynist. She just implied he was creepy and that it was a bit stupid of him to invite her to his room after her speech. Your logic does not follow at all, one who sexualizes is not sexist. A girl inviting a guy to her room at 4 am is sexualizing, but not sexist. She did not say the guy was sexist, just that he had bad timing and was kind of creepy. Seriously, isn't this what men's rights is trying to combat? That sexual proposition of a girl should n…
/r/MensRights09/07/11 03:11 PM
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Or maybe it is because "rape" done by teachers is usually statutory, as in not really the same thing. Come on, I think people accused of rape should be spared public humiliation just like the rest of you, but this is kind of a stretch.
/r/MensRights09/07/11 01:25 PM
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Honestly it shouldn't be sexual harassment either way. If you make a sexual advance, it is not sexual harassment. If they say 'no' in a clear way and they continue, it is sexual harassment no matter what there gender is.
/r/MensRights09/07/11 12:35 PM
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Good point in the last paragraph, however getting a "beautiful life" tattoo while your child is missing is rather telling of her sociopathic/partying attitude, regardless of her gender. The molestation accusations aren't sexist, and I am sure they weren't necessary for her to go free in this case. Men's Rights just noticed that there were molestation accusations, and being as blind as a lot of them are decided this was the single reason she went free. Still, there is definitely something not rig…
/r/MensRights09/07/11 10:40 AM
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I read an article where a few of the jurors came out and said that they wished the prosecution had done a better job so that they could lock her up. It appeared the jurors knew she was guilty, but also knew the prosecution dropped the ball. Either way, the case for sexism is hard here, they did the same thing with OJ.
/r/MensRights09/07/11 09:05 AM
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It still strikes me as unsavory that you can bring up an unproven criminal act as part of your defense to explain your client's behavior. There should be laws against that sort of thing, what's to stop people from always doing it? Happy reddit birthday by the way, and get used to downvotes on this subreddit, after all you do have logical support for your opinion.
/r/MensRights08/07/11 09:37 AM
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Even if the molestation accusations are true they had no relevance to the case and yet these accusations were given to the jury. She lied to the police and got a "Beautiful life" tattoo while her daughter was missing, she is as guilty as they get. But then again so was OJ, and many many other people. It couldn't be proven beyond a reasonable doubt with scientific evidence, so she was acquitted. She would have been acquitted even if the the spectre of abuse was not invoked. Any good lawyer can te…
/r/MensRights06/07/11 01:58 PM
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Link to context please?
/r/MensRights06/07/11 01:17 PM
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I also think it is interesting that Melanie McCulley, a feminist, was also the first to bring up financial abortion, one of the main goals of the Men's Rights movement. I am fine with the Men's Rights movement, but this whole subreddit of "earning scorn from feminists since 2008" and attitude of "treat all feminists like radical feminists" is ridiculously antagonistic.
/r/MensRights06/07/11 01:13 PM
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Yes, not sure how to get around that. :/
/r/MensRights05/07/11 09:08 PM
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True. We definitely need more male crossover in these jobs, though you will be happy to find out that male nursing is on the rise.
/r/MensRights05/07/11 08:59 PM
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Indeed, our current justice system could definitely do with being more improvement. Though I would like to point out that women are not the only ones that get raped.
/r/MensRights05/07/11 08:49 PM
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Wait - no - ugh.... Ahaha. You bastard! Good troll man, you had me worked up for a little.
/r/MensRights05/07/11 08:39 PM
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All the feminism professors I have had want women as front line soldiers, I am pretty sure those who didn't want women as soldiers were a minority in academic feminism. Patriarchy theory is definitely something I disagree with feminists on. I am not feminist, and I am not advocating gender equality through feminism. Nor am I advocating gender equality through Men's Rights. I advocate gender equality through gender egalitarianism, without focus on which group is suffering more at the hand of oppr…
/r/MensRights05/07/11 08:38 PM
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Not sure if trolling or not... FULL original quote: Seriously, post in r/feminism, if you can get even one feminist to agree that men's legal right to be innocent until proven guilty should be taken away I will be incredibly surprised. Also notice I said men's legal right.
/r/MensRights05/07/11 08:32 PM
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Can you read? if you can get even one feminist to agree that men's legal right to be innocent until proven guilty should be taken away I will be incredibly surprised. That is my original post. You didn't find a redditor who agreed with that.
/r/MensRights05/07/11 08:25 PM
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Always good to see a fellow Husky. CHID 260 looks nice, but I am wary since I have taken a few CHID classes that were total wastes of time.
/r/MensRights05/07/11 08:16 PM
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I have actually taken both a Masculinities class and a Women's Studies class at the University Washington, and I have never heard the Women's Studies class advocating people act more like girls or boys. The only mention on how people should act was a discussion about how gender roles have changed over times and have meant different things in different locales and time periods. Perhaps UW is just more egalitarian than other places, but it feels to me that "womanly is better" feminism is a distinc…
/r/MensRights05/07/11 08:01 PM
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You want to get all semantic and snarky, I said specifically in r/feminism, and you still haven't shown me a post where a girl from r/feminism actually believes that rapists should be automatically believed. Anyways, all you showed me is that even the feminists you demonize don't like automatically believing the girl who was allegedly raped, in a court of law.
/r/MensRights05/07/11 07:49 PM
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That may be because only one person has replied so far in the r/feminism version. ;)
/r/MensRights05/07/11 07:47 PM
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Financial abortion would be nice, and making justice truly blind. Making justice blind would probably require too much work, you would need to have the identities of the people at a trial kept secret so the judge and jury can not be influenced by the appearance, status, gender, or affluence of the people at the trial. Nay, we will need to go the hard route and try to make society see the genders more equally, and for that we will need the cooperation of women as well.
/r/MensRights05/07/11 07:44 PM
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Radical feminism is actively against men's rights. Radical MRAs think that men should be able to tell women when to get abortions. Radicals do not represent the whole, nor do they represent the majority. I propose a group under the banner of Gender Equality precisely so we can cut these radicals out by definition.
/r/MensRights05/07/11 07:15 PM
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You bring up a good point, thanks for that. I am so happy some one finally sees what I am saying instead of making me out to be some sort of feminist apologist. My hope is that with a group effort we can change the definition of Gender Equality back towards it's original definition over time.
/r/MensRights05/07/11 07:10 PM
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Even now you group feminists into one group, and act like feminists who call men barbarians are the rule not the exception. I suppose you will always live in your us vs them world where most of the people who believe in gender equality are with men's rights and most of the feminists are batshit insane man haters. Both groups have a majority of rational people who believe in gender equality and this constant piss contest fighting over who has more crazy people and who is more oppressed is doing y…
/r/MensRights05/07/11 07:07 PM
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I am aware of the word egalitarian, you are not the first in this thread to bring it up. Egalitarian is a very broad concept that does not focus on gender/sex relations. Having Men's Rights Advocates and Feminism squabble like you two do is like having a black rights group and a hispanic rights group squabble: you are both suffering, but instead of focusing on the larger picture (racism in general, sexism in general), you have a pissing contest over who suffers more and which group has the most …
/r/MensRights05/07/11 06:58 PM
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I don't apply "It's rape if the accuser says it is" to a court of law. I can't imagine a world in which it would even be possible to force a misogynist court of law to follow that standard, and if I could? I don't think I would. Also notice her 635 downvotes compared to 237 upvotes. Even an edited statement like hers saying she would personally believe a rape victim but wouldn't want a court system to follow guilty until proven innocent gets downvoted to all hell on 2XChromosomes. You are kind o…
/r/MensRights05/07/11 06:50 PM
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You know that MRA could technically be viewed as a type of feminism? The reason feminists who agree with you won't call themselves MRAs is the same reason you wouldn't call yourselves feminists: Even though you agree with each other, you disagree on who is suffering more. Like crabs in a bucket fighting so that neither of you can get out. The word Gender Equalist does not presuppose a focus on one genders' problems, unlike 'feminism' and 'men's rights'. If we could join together and focus on wha…
/r/MensRights05/07/11 06:36 PM
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You could also have the government spend no money on either party's issues and this would be equality as well. Edit: Yes, party means gender.
/r/MensRights05/07/11 06:26 PM
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Sigh. I could circlejerk and say that Male's Rights is just another name for Masculinist and that some masculinists like Steven Goldberg have supported discriminatory laws. But none of this matters, it doesn't matter who is suffering more, both genders are suffering because of gender inequality. I did not post this topic to defend feminism, I find feminism to be just as narrow sighted as Men's Rights. Look at the cross post, I am pissing off feminists with this exact dialogue. As I have already …
/r/MensRights05/07/11 06:20 PM
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That is not true equality, that is madness that has nothing to do with gender. If two gay males were having a custody battle, no one would ever advocate a coin toss to decide who gets the kids. If women and men were treated the same in society and court, we wouldn't need some crazy coin toss. That's what I mean by gender equality, not whatever it is you just said. Also male financial abortion would make men equal in abortion rights to women.
/r/MensRights05/07/11 06:15 PM
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That is more a consequence of definition than anything, feminism is broad term that includes ANY movement designed to uplift women's place in society. These movements all disagree with each other and may not necessarily care about gender equality. Women's Rights Movement on the other hand merely wants equal rights with men, I challenge you to find a law specifically passed by the Women's Rights Movement that has done legal harm to society. EDIT: Crap, you have me circlejerking. Oh well, I'll ind…
/r/MensRights05/07/11 06:07 PM
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I see where it says your problem with feminism. Where does it say your problem with gender equality? It doesn't.
/r/MensRights05/07/11 05:51 PM
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Gender equality in the criminal and social justice system would fix this, wouldn't it?
/r/MensRights05/07/11 05:42 PM
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MRA is a fairly new term. I can point you to many many laws where men have made laws that only give advantages to males, but the term "Male's Rights" is too new to have helped pass even laws that are sensible like male abortion, never mind laws supported by only a minority of people who call themselves MRA. Let's face it, the MRA is a new minority, and asking for laws passed by a minority of a minority as proof that bigoted MRAs exist is ridiculous. That's inherently fallacious. That's like me s…
/r/MensRights05/07/11 05:36 PM
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That's nice, and could be relevant if we had only a few thousand people left on Earth. But that's not how things are, we have more women than men, and even in countries like China where they have more men than women people still value the lives of male babies. Most places are trying to have less babies, how does what you post matter at all?
/r/MensRights05/07/11 05:26 PM
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Some subsets of movements do move too far, some MRAs claim men should be able to decide if women get abortions or not, and if you look at this thread, you will see people advocating that drafting women is a terrible idea, etc. Both sides have been accused of abusing statistics and going to far. However, most MRAs are gender equalists like you and I, same as most feminists. If we moved past the "who is suffering moar" phase and moved towards the "lets end the problem that is causing both of our s…
/r/MensRights05/07/11 05:22 PM
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Women don't make babies, our sperm mixes with their eggs to make babies. Last I checked, parthenogenesis is not a fundamental part of human biology. That is why men have the right to their children.
/r/MensRights05/07/11 05:00 PM
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Please, quote radical feminist opinions some more, and then request I circle jerk by trying to post radical MRAs. You can see even in this thread that not all MRAs agree with each other, Antifeminist lower in this thread says that women in the military are a bad idea, but many MRAs feel the draft is unfair for targeting men. To pretend feminists are all of one opinion is as inane as pretending MRAs all share the same opinions. No, I will not help your circle jerk. Seriously, post in r/feminism, …
/r/MensRights05/07/11 04:55 PM
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But you admit that there are still some bad things that discrimination can do to women? I don't care if you believe men suffer more or if you believe women suffer more, in the end it doesn't matter if you both believe in Gender Equality.
/r/MensRights05/07/11 04:01 PM
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I looked through all of the readings and FAQs on the MensRights side bar. Is it my fault as a researcher, or the subreddits fault for not having an FAQ on why they don't like the term "Gender Equality"?
/r/MensRights05/07/11 04:00 PM
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How is a man wearing a condom not control over reproduction? How is a man abstaining from sex not control over reproduction? Will. Never. Happen. You can't make an argument about the future of society purely based on how the past is. If you could, you would be in the 1800s claiming society could never see blacks as equals, in the 1950s saying a society could never have a majority that believes gays are acceptable, etc. etc.
/r/MensRights05/07/11 03:59 PM
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Women don't control reproduction, why are you spouting radical feminist ideas when you are supposed to be a MRA? Men and women both take part in reproduction, and they should both have equal rights in reproduction: women have the right to have or not have a baby, men have the right to withdraw financial and legal responsibility for a fetus. A lot of feminists do want women in the military and want men and women to be treated as equally disposable, as do a lot of Male Rights Advocates (actually m…
/r/MensRights05/07/11 03:12 PM
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The only truth I see is that gender roles, expectations, and laws have been bad for both men and women. They are not bad just for one or the other.
/r/MensRights05/07/11 03:08 PM
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Men's Rights Advocates are just as bad as any other chauvinist. Well-loved Men's Right Advocate Roy Den Hollander filed a case against the women's studies program in Columbia, claiming it violates the separation of church and state. To the applause of MRAs everywhere. Well-loved Men's Right Advocate Scott Adams says not to bother arguing with women, they are like the mentally handicapped and children. If MRAs are any better, why are these horrible men speaking for you? As you can see, I could pr…
/r/MensRights05/07/11 02:58 PM
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Has the word "Feminism" in it. If the very name doesn't cater to gender equality, why should the content be expected to?
/r/MensRights05/07/11 02:38 PM
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Egalitarian is not specific enough, and can you explain the failures of the other two subreddits to me in more depth? Edit: I meant r/egalitarian doesn't focus on the issues of sex and gender specifically.
/r/MensRights05/07/11 02:37 PM
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How can you say Third Wave Feminism goes against male rights in general? Melanie McCulley, a Third Wave Feminist, was the first to advocate financial abortion as a paternal right! You are not helping your cause with this us vs them mentality, just as feminists are not helping anything when they generalize Men's Rights Advocates with those who want men to decide if women should get abortions or not, or those who want women to stay in the kitchen. This your camp vs our camp is really petty. If the…
/r/MensRights05/07/11 02:00 PM
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"When women have as many people in the Fortune 500 CEO list, then equality rather than feminism will be the question." Are you intentionally parodying the feminists you despise? Because that is exactly what they would do: talk about some random inequality they are dealing with to marginalize the importance of the inequality you are facing.
/r/MensRights05/07/11 01:37 PM
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Focusing on one thing doesn't mean you're ignoring the whole. If some people want to discuss specific problems, who cares? You guys did not like how the men's rights advocates were only concerned with the discrimination against their own gender. Yes, but not in the same way. It's not about what topics they want to discuss on men's right advocate forums, it's about their going too far. I don't think most people here would support discrimination against men (our views on what discrimination is wou…
/r/MensRights05/07/11 01:32 PM
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Replace the word 'feminists' in your post with 'men's right advocates' and 'women' with 'men' and you will see what I am trying to say. It looks just like a post on a feminist forum. Try it, it works perfectly. You guys are both doing the same thing: Focusing on the issues of your specific gender under the impression that the other camp is taking it too far.
/r/MensRights05/07/11 01:30 PM
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Well I have received a few downvotes. It would be nice if some one could explain why they disagree rather than downvote. EDIT: This post was made early on, when there were no replies to this thread at all.
/r/MensRights05/07/11 12:48 PM
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