K-Li Archive

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14	Another woman belittling the serious side effects of male birth control The side effects are a side show. The dropouts that get cited for these pieces happened in the second stage. More important is that fully 10℅ of the original participants dropped out in the first stage because the injections failed to lower their sperm counts to the required 1m/mL.	/r/MensRights	03/11/16 08:12 PM
35	At last, a cure for feminism: sex robots ....If the sale of sex robots is to be allowed at all, it must be highly regulated....Or maybe, out of respect for women, this technology should just be rejected The logic behind the article is simple. The availability of an affordable, satisfying sex surrogate for men inevitably leads to the demand that a woman being more than her body to a relationship. Some women find this idea terrifying. Some of those same women have newspaper gigs.	/r/MensRights	10/06/16 08:16 PM
2	Most Feminists Fail The Bechdel test When this test comes up in conversation, I find it useful to confirm the opinion that any movie that passes the test is automatically better than any movie that doesn't, then confirm that depictions of violent female death are unacceptable in progressive cinema, then bring up Verhoven's Starship Troopers.	/r/MensRights	21/01/16 01:43 AM
16	"Men still represent four out of five suicides, but this is a major increase in women taking their own lives that needs urgent attention" The problem here is that the article uses the relative rate rather than the per capita rate. For example, consider 1000 men and 1000 women, observed over a lifetime. If 20 women and 80 men kill themselves from this group, then 20% of the suicides are female, and 80% are male. Then run the experiment again with a new population. Psychological science has advanced, and so this time, 19 women kill themselves, and 57 men kill themselves, then 25% of the suicides are female and 75% are male. Even tho…	/r/MensRights	31/05/15 04:34 PM
1	Tax Refund Withheld Due To Unpaid Child Support...One Problem...I PAY MY FRICKEN CHILD SUPPORT!!! This is magical thinking. Wanting something very badly, and convincing yourself that it is just and proper does not result in that position being written into 26 USC without the help of several hundred congress-critters in Washington DC. The IRS is an executive agency charged with carrying out the law as written. The person you talk to on the phone will know and will tell you that a particular offset was for a non-tax debt, but they have neither the means nor the obligation to be any more specif…	/r/MensRights	11/02/15 06:23 AM
3	Female teachers are 'bossy'. Male teachers are 'awesome' Seems fairly obvious. Consider the ridiculous barriers to entry that exist for prospective male teachers in the modern age. Only the most irreproachable, dedicated and generally superlative have a hope of getting and then keeping the position in the first place. So yes, the average rating of the very best among men could be reasonably expected to be higher than the average rating taken over a much larger pool of women taken from a wider range of achievement levels.	/r/MensRights	11/02/15 06:12 AM
5	Tax Refund Withheld Due To Unpaid Child Support...One Problem...I PAY MY FRICKEN CHILD SUPPORT!!! This will not help. The IRS does not make these decisions. They receive offset lists from other agencies for a number of purposes, student loans and child support being the most common. The IRS then processes the list, because that is what the law says to do. The exception is when your part of a joint refund is at risk due to a current spouse's debts.	/r/MensRights	09/02/15 07:52 PM
2	[serious question] If a boy is getting physically attacked by a girl or a group of girls at school, how exactly should he handle the situation? I'm going to assume that this is a grade or high school and that everyone involved in a juvenile. I'm also going to assume it's an American public school, as there is no good way to generalize private institutions, which have a wide variety of disciplinary templates. The ugly reality is that the boy is already involved in the altercation, and thus is already likely to receive the maximum punishment allowed by local law and procedure. Given that, there is nothing to be lost by reacting. Unless th…	/r/MensRights	26/01/15 05:09 AM
2	Hello, /r/MensRights. I would like to understand this subreddit better. If you are coming at us from a modern feminist perspective, there are a number of basic definitions that are different in our usage. For starters, feminist != woman. While the MHRM is largely anti-feminist, anti-woman is not the same thing, though that is a common attack levied at MHRAs. Women are people. Modern Feminism, defined in this case as the policies and beliefs of the most powerful people who identify themselves publicly as feminists, on the other hand, is a toxic ideology that uses the…	/r/MensRights	31/12/14 05:57 AM
6	A woman's different take on female portrayal in video games. Compare your perception of the proposal to what was actually said. In your mind, this hypothetical game has a Duke Nukem-esque protagonist who sprays an unending stream of lead into an unending stream of helpless women who have obviously done nothing to deserve it. Pure hatred of women. However, this reflexive perception is the very thing the article was about. Because you recoil at the idea of a large number of women dying, you necessarily limit the portrayals of women in this kind of media. Vi…	/r/MensRights	23/11/14 02:48 PM
5	10 year old arrested for allegedly raping 4 year old, in police custody Everything about the event is screwed up, but the mens' rights issue arises in the coverage. If you read the text that goes with the video, the reporter focuses entirely on the trauma the girl suffers as a result of the arrest, and tries very hard to paint her in a sympathetic light. The quotes are from people trying to excuse her behavior. Nothing is heard from the parents of the victim, and no more mention of him is made than is strictly necessary to establish the poor little girl narrative. H…	/r/MensRights	06/09/14 11:57 PM
1	So if it were a man it would be murder, right? NYC Women charged in death of 20 month old boy. (xpost from r/morbidreality) In the world of the medical examiner, homicide is just 'death caused by an outside actor', as distinct from accident or disease. It doesn't caary a finding of fault with it.	/r/MensRights	25/08/14 02:57 PM
3	What do you do if a woman attacks you with no one around? Unless your life is in immediate danger or you have a reliable recording device close to hand, run. If your life is in danger, kill. If you have a recording device, turn it on, then run, because a woman who will attack you in the middle of nowhere won't balk at lying to the police.	/r/MensRights	18/08/14 02:52 PM
1	Masturbation is cheating Despite the grammar, I don't think you're stupid. There is a vast gulf between being the only person your partner has sex with, and being your partner's only source of orgasms, and I think you know it.	/r/MensRights	12/08/14 11:23 AM
1	Masturbation is cheating The problem with your desire is that wanting to cut off his porn watching, which is to say, your desire to control him sexually, does make you a bad person. It's an abusive behavior, and really not acceptable. That said, men and women do have some significant differences in their brain structures, some due to genetics, and others due to socialization. Men, generally, are more easily stimulated visually, and experience sex on a very physical level. When he watches porn, he doesn't want a relation…	/r/MensRights	12/08/14 03:50 AM
27	"You Can't Get Laid" - A Brilliant Analysis Of A Shaming Tactic "Interesting. Most people think it's inappropriate to make value judgments based on a person's sexuality or sexual history. Why do you disagree with them?" This has been very effective in the past.	/r/MensRights	05/07/14 03:03 PM
2	The one where I need help understanding why MRAs don’t become feminists I think we may be able to have a productive discussion. Point one: I've had oogy feelings about this as well. I don't like when people who identify as feminists shut down male perspectives that agree with them based on gender. The way I understand it is, well, you don't have the experience of being a woman in this society so you can't speak to sexism in the way that I can. Which I kind of agree with. But I don't think we should cut off allies at the knees because of gender. Kind of like that Mac…	/r/MensRights	04/07/14 11:09 PM
3	The one where I need help understanding why MRAs don’t become feminists There are three major issues: First, there have been plenty of articles that explain, in no uncertain terms, that the place of a man in the feminist movement is to be silent, provide support/resources, and accept being reeducated. I have never seen an article by a feminist that attacks this POV, or even mildly disagrees with it. If there is no room for men to be heard, then there is no room for men's issues. Second, you will find that many of the subscribers to this sub have personal experience …	/r/MensRights	04/07/14 06:19 AM
6	announcing: /r/debateAMR Forgive, great Olympus, weighty words spent with fire and reason , yet ignored That show Friedrich Schiller's blasphemy as truth unvarnished. I speak, and they do not hear. I show, and they do not see. The siren brays its song from dusty halls of pink girded in sullen hate. Bidding all to come and talk and drink a draught of lies.	/r/MensRights	03/07/14 05:16 PM
8	announcing: /r/debateAMR On its face, your statement is true; however, it is also a perfect illustration of the inherent failings in your setup. You are not entitled to be debated solely on your own terms. You do not have a right to rhetorical safety. Your political axioms are not sacrosanct., and the fact that you clearly want these things to be otherwise is wholly irrelevant. If you are actually interested in debate, then debate. Your Potemkin subreddit is pointless.	/r/MensRights	03/07/14 04:38 PM
7	announcing: /r/debateAMR So you're arrogating to yourself the authority to establish identity. I had not expected to be vindicated so quickly.	/r/MensRights	03/07/14 04:19 PM
8	announcing: /r/debateAMR Feminist moderation makes this an inherent non-starter. You can't have a debate when one side is protected and the other grudgingly tolerated. Many of the participants in this sub have personal experience of self-identified feminists acting in bad faith, so do not expect to be tested as a good faith actor. The supposed benefit on offer is of no value, as debate with an unapologetic feminist may be had simply by existing within earshot of one.	/r/MensRights	03/07/14 03:58 PM
1	Hey /r/Mensrights convince me not to get married The Socratic approach may be best here. What do you gain by marrying her? The sidebar and plenty of other threads will outline the risks that you will then have to weigh against those benefits.	/r/MensRights	03/07/14 03:36 PM
2	The double standards forming in eSports now. The Finnish organization is not to blame here. The problem is the IeSF World championship which is run by a South Korean organization. This Finnish tournament is a qualifier for the World Championship. The WC has a male division and a female division. The only game shared between the two is Starcraft 2. Since only men can play in the Hearthstone segment of the WC, there's no point in risking a female winner of the qualifier. Similarly, I would expect a Tekken Tag Tournament 2 qualifier to be fem…	/r/MensRights	03/07/14 03:19 AM
5	Ongoing Action Report: USDOJ Office of Violence Against Women recently released much delayed FAQS on the 2013 VAWA Non-Discrimination Provisions, possibly in response to our action opportunities. Setting appropriate precedents will be key here. The provision allows segregation if there is a 'comparable' program for those not served by the main program. Someone with money enough for lawyers will need to make sure that crisis help for women isn't paired with "how to be less of a patriarchal shitlord" classes for men.	/r/MensRights	01/07/14 02:00 PM
2	As a 16 year old what I've learned from this sub and other reddit posts regarding this issue There are good people and bad people, and that person's sexual plumbing is not any kind of indicator as to which one an individual is. You are yourself, and you don't owe that to anyone. Learn to recognize when people are attempting to manipulate you by measuring you against the traditional male role, and recognize that it is bullshit. Not every woman you meet will do this things, but every one of them could. Remember that the world is not safe, and cannot be made safe, and that you still have t…	/r/MensRights	01/07/14 12:30 AM
2	Another author targeted for departing from ‘rape culture’ orthodoxy - by suggesting self sefense What does it say about culture when technology resists the word rape?	/r/MensRights	19/06/14 10:14 PM
8	Another author targeted for departing from ‘rape culture’ orthodoxy - by suggesting self sefense The price of agency is safety. Over the last few months , I've come to believe that many if not most of the bizarre mental gymnastics around the idea of'tape culture' come from an inability or unwillingness to recognize this reality.	/r/MensRights	19/06/14 04:01 PM
4	Should Guilt and Innocence Matter On Campus? Why do you believe that would help?	/r/MensRights	18/06/14 03:22 PM
1	Feminist here...I need help. Serfs are interchangeable,, fungible, and don't have power. I should have been more clear about the economic classes at issue.	/r/MensRights	16/06/14 04:40 PM
6	Feminist here...I need help. Feminism, especially in its more radical flavors, is inherently seductive. The 'strength' you see in it is a desire for agency, which is a fine thing. Agency has a price, though, and the movement has become twisted over the years by its unwillingness to recognize and pay that price. The price of agency is safety, and this is just as true at the individual level as it is on the societal level. You can make dissidence vanish and create a facade of perfect order, but it takes a police state to make…	/r/MensRights	16/06/14 12:22 PM
6	"Don't let them silence us" -- AVFM's best response ever to an attack, in this case to the feminist threats against the Men's Issues Conference. This video is focused, human, empathetic, and well produced. The global, diverse faces of all races, sexes and genders is wonderful to see. #congrats at a guess, someone has made a complaint or an allegation to PayPal, and they have frozen the account. Based on their usual practices is it may be several weeks before the funds are unfrozen.	/r/MensRights	02/06/14 10:35 AM
1	The video that brought me here That seems surprisingly stupid, given that it only posts in 2 subreddits. What was the rationale?	/r/MensRights	30/05/14 11:51 PM
5	Help me understand. What is the goal of the Mens Rights Movement? The financial aid landscape needs to become more gender-neutral, and policies that specifically disadvantage male students at the primary, middle, and high school levels need to be abolished. Female students are currently outperforming male students at every level of the educational system, but this has more to do with a reduction in male performance than an increase in female performance.. Christina Hoff' Summer's The War Against Boys covers this in more detail and it is worth a read.	/r/MensRights	28/05/14 01:18 AM
1	Fighting on the behalf of MRAs is tedious and frustrating To this kind of person, the idea of the oppression of women is axiomatic, and often unexamined. If you want to change a mind, you need to attack the foundation of the toxic worldview rather than complaining about the draperies. Start with education statistics and demand proof of this systemic oppression. If you can shift that even a little, everything built on it comes tumbling down.	/r/MensRights	27/05/14 09:50 PM
17	Can you help me understand? I'm new to this idea. Close. In saying "Protecting the rights of men" you assume that men as a group have all appropriate rights and are in danger of losing some. This is not true. To take the obvious examples, men as a group have essentially zero reproductive rights, but have a whole passel of responsibilities. The classic example is one of several cases in which a boy who was legally raped (unable to consent due to being underage) is later required to pay child support to the rapist. In a similar vein, make victims…	/r/MensRights	27/05/14 09:21 PM
3	"If there was a plate of cookies and some had laxatives in them, you probably won't take a cookie" - The Tumblr attitude to men Not exactly. The common generalization that comes from the feminist can is "all men". This amounts to a moral/value judgment derived from a genetic characteristic, and is repugnant in any context. The common generalization that comes from the MHRM side of things is " all feminists ". The set of people who identify as feminist is genetically diverse, and therefore it is reasonable to state that being a feminist is a behavior. It is an act of self-identification, and is demonstrably subject to cha…	/r/MensRights	27/05/14 04:29 PM
-21	Yes to men’s rights (provided it never actually happens) - "Gynocentrism runs so deep that even non-feminists, be they liberals or conservatives, balk at the idea of men’s rights." Just FYI, no one is going to sleep with you for having said this.	/r/MensRights	20/05/14 09:39 PM
0	What do you think this article implies? "An Incomplete Rainbow" Born that way" matters. The reason it matters is this: It is unacceptable to make value judgments based on immutable characteristics, while it is acceptable and appropriate to make value judgments based on behavior. To take an example, it would be out of line to deny a job or housing to the one-eyed one-horned flying people people eater based on its being horned, pigeon-toed, or short. On the other hand, it would be entirely appropriate to make those same decisions based on its idemonstrated pro…	/r/MensRights	20/05/14 06:37 PM
3	Privilege thrown at me today... A person can be smart. People, as a whole, are dumb. A sentiment like this one is often used to illustrate that macro observations cannot be usefully applied to the micro case. This is plainly obvious to anyone who has had to deal with the differences between Newtonian and Quantum Mechanics. Sadly, I can't find an easy reference to the version of the statement that applies to groups of people.	/r/MensRights	19/05/14 06:40 PM
12	South Australia is losing male teachers It is interesting to note that, while the article acknowledges the risks that are driving men away from the profession, it talks about things that can be done to encourage men to take those risks, rather than strategies for mitigating those risks.	/r/MensRights	19/05/14 05:12 PM
3	Should we be laughing when a woman attacks a man? One wonders if anyone has researched the "prominent feminist" from the article. An admission that her thought is mainstream instead of radical would make distancing more difficult.	/r/MensRights	13/05/14 09:46 PM
1	Swedens first clinic for raped men planned. Based on the translated article, it seems that, while the existence of the center requires the acknowledgement of the existence of male victims, the associated narrative still denies the possibility of female perpetrators.	/r/MensRights	10/05/14 02:46 AM
24	Woman attacks man on train; both are fined The problem is the delay. Given current law and biases, she's no longer a legitimate threat once she disengages, unless and until she goes back for another round. The correct way for him to defend himself is immediately.	/r/MensRights	10/05/14 02:41 AM
18	Could use some encouragement. About to divide my family over a Right's Issue. Absolutely tell him. If it wrecks the relationship, then he is well quit of her. If your cousin or your a aunt are mad about that, then they are mad about being foiled, and that doesn't really play well in circles of people who know the story. Thinking of your cousin's bf as a human being instead of a wallet is sadly praiseworthy these days, but good job all the same.	/r/MensRights	02/05/14 04:15 PM
22	Male music artist groped by female at show, addresses double standard For all intents and purposes, they are right. George Orwell was spot on when he discussed how control of language equates to control of thought. The only solution I'm aware of is exactitude. If talking about racism results in a detailing discussion about what counts as'real' racism, then instead talk about how it is unacceptable to make moral judgments based on generic characteristics. This has the side effect of neatly covering ethnicity sex, and sexual preference, and puts your interlocutor in…	/r/MensRights	02/05/14 04:02 PM
1	White male student at Princeton responds to repeated requests to "check your privilege" A rhetorical tool, like any other tool, is defined by its use. The statistics you mention are valid, but the salient point is this: While the MHRM may blame the concerted actions of people who identify as feminists for the lack of attention these problems receive, the MHRM does not, as far as I am aware, blame women as a whole for the problems themselves. There is a huge difference between "this ideology is toxic" and "this gender is to blame for all of society's problems" There are lots of syst…	/r/MensRights	02/05/14 02:24 AM
2	White male student at Princeton responds to repeated requests to "check your privilege" The concept as it is used is bankrupt. This kid, like any other individual, bears no responsibility to or for the actions of others beyond his control. The phrase "check your privilege", as it is used in the current discourse, amounts to a moral/value judgment rendered based on the target's ecotype. To make a judgment in this fashion is unacceptable in a society that professes to seek equality. The idea of "the sins of the father" was discredited as a moral foundation hundreds of years ago and t…	/r/MensRights	01/05/14 03:51 PM
11	Feminists claim that women are victims and men are the perpetrators of violence. Maybe they should read about how two young girls cruelly bully and assault an autistic boy. He is kind enough to beg for their forgiveness, and asks for the charges to be dropped. It's not about a good heart. One of the characteristics of Autism is an almost paralyzing fear of change. He will have spent a Herculean amount of effort to understand and accept the twisted social conventions for dealing with these two. Rebuilding something actually healthy will be very very hard for him. His desire to avoid the disruption is understandable, but these two absolutely should not be allowed to benefit from his fears.	/r/MensRights	22/04/14 01:46 PM
1	If you could change the world in the name of Men's Rights, what would you change? Complete the destruction of the feudal social contract, so that everyone of any gender is expected to provide for themselves.	/r/MensRights	15/04/14 09:35 PM
4	Open question - how can we counter misogyny in the movement? You're looking at the wrong question. Misogyny is a feminist term, the feminist gestalt controls its definition, and so long as influential feminists remain opposed to MHR, it will always be used to label and attack some or all of the movement's behavior. MHRAs have, for this reason, no responsibility toward the label at all. To pretend otherwise is to seek feminist approval, and that is suicide.	/r/MensRights	15/04/14 09:26 PM
14	The Topic of the Rape of Men in a Recent Comic Book Is there something about being sexually attractive that imparts moral authority?	/r/MensRights	10/04/14 06:58 PM
2	Just thought I'd share my experience with feminists in social media(facebook). Reason o is always the enemy of zealotry. Don't sweat it.	/r/MensRights	10/04/14 05:46 PM
1	/r/Mensrights I need your help! My sexist (ex) boss has just made a new rule banning ALL MALES from being hired SIMPLY FOR BEING MALES. The number you want is 800-669-6820.. The existence of the policy isn't enough to make a complaint, but your friend who has been directly affected by the execution of the policy can make a complaint.	/r/MensRights	09/04/14 02:43 PM
3	Another gay-man questioning the Men's Rights Movement, I ask, what should clinch it for me? Intersectionality can be very tempting, and you are right that any identifiable subset of a population is going to have its own unique issues. However, people are not defined by their narrowest possible group affiliation, not are they restricted to a single advocacy position. This does point up another difference between the MRM I have experienced and the feminism I have experienced. The MRM doesn't presume to speak for everyone everywhere. It is composed of different people with different backg…	/r/MensRights	08/04/14 10:21 PM
2	Another gay-man questioning the Men's Rights Movement, I ask, what should clinch it for me? My apologies for being unclear. Being a man carries with it certain problems, especially in the legal system, and being gay or trans doesn't change that.	/r/MensRights	08/04/14 10:10 PM
7	Another gay-man questioning the Men's Rights Movement, I ask, what should clinch it for me? Helping trans people is valuable, but the point I'm trying to make is that the MRM doesn't segment or categorize in the same way as other movements. You are a man. Fine. No additional codicils or justifications are needed.	/r/MensRights	08/04/14 09:53 PM
3	Another gay-man questioning the Men's Rights Movement, I ask, what should clinch it for me? Mobile typo. Regardless, not regales. Mea culpa.	/r/MensRights	08/04/14 09:50 PM
1	The fuck is this shit? Pretty close. It is the translation of the phrase Valar Morghulis, which figures heavily into Arya Stark's storyline in book 3-5. Season 4 starts Book 3, so I suspect the series has many years left to go.	/r/MensRights	08/04/14 09:34 PM
8	Another gay-man questioning the Men's Rights Movement, I ask, what should clinch it for me? As you might expect, the MRM has the most intersection with G and T issues (FtM specifically, though I suspect that the MRM would be more welcoming to any interested MtF than any of the Womyn Born Womyn-style groups of self-identified feminists.). In general, though, sexuality and transsexuality aren't major issues, as the general opinion is that identifying as make carries with it certain problems, regales of anatomy or preferred bedmates. Probably the most notable intersecting issue is the art…	/r/MensRights	08/04/14 09:31 PM
5	Serious question: why is the Mens Rights Movement so opposed to feminism? I didn't say anything about rates. I said that rape is a deviant act performed by deviants. The gender of the performant has no bearing on whether the behavior is deviant. So no, it is not disingenuous, It is irrelevant.	/r/MensRights	08/04/14 05:23 PM
15	Serious question: why is the Mens Rights Movement so opposed to feminism? The idea of "teaching not to rape" isn't intended to counter any specific ideas about rape prevention. It's intended to normalize rape, and in so doing, normalize the idea that every man is a rapist who might, with appropriate control, be restrained from acting on the impulse. In reality, rape is a deviant act, performed by people (of either gender) who have, for whatever reason, rejected the norms and mores of society. Changing the norms will have no effect on the behavior of people who reject …	/r/MensRights	08/04/14 03:39 PM
1	Boys Become Men, According to a Girl A boy becomes a man when he learns to measure himself only against himself. "Provide" is not the yardstick, nor "possess" the measure. "Advance" is all that matters, and each man must define that word for himself.	/r/MensRights	02/04/14 08:49 PM
1	Feminist billboard in LA [humour] Daenerys isn't a part of the Faceless God storyline.	/r/MensRights	14/03/14 03:01 PM
0	Feminist billboard in LA [humour] In the context of Gamer of Thrones (note the large HBO at the top), men refers to 'everyone'. This is the translation of the Bravosi phrase 'valar morghulis', which will figure heavily into Arya Stark's storyline over the next season or so.	/r/MensRights	11/03/14 07:13 PM
3	Finally, a woman convicted of rape on the front page of BBC This smells of troll. This isn't a woman convicted of rape at all.	/r/MensRights	21/02/14 02:42 PM
1	Open question to MRAs: Why do you oppose feminism? They were radical in the past. While people exist who call themselves feminist and recognize these authors' insanity, they are not the ones who hold the reins of power in academia and in the feminist PACs that have the money (and therefore the influence). More to the point, the sane do not oppose them. Also, I called out these authors and their adherents specifically. To claim "not all feminists are like that" is utterly irrelevant, since I'm not talking about all feminists. I'm talking about th…	/r/MensRights	01/02/14 09:37 PM
8	Open question to MRAs: Why do you oppose feminism? " Feminism and feminist are fractious labels, and people who use those labels to identify themselves believe a wide variety of different things. MRM and MRA are the same. Not all MRAs oppose all feminists on every issue; however, there is substantial conflict between the two movements. Authors who v call themselves feminists, such as Dworkin, who trays the production of sperm s an ecological crime, and Daly, who insists that all heterosexual interxourse is rape, have, along with their disciples …	/r/MensRights	31/01/14 06:53 PM
12	Just saw this posted on Facebook. Textbook example of a straw man fallacy. The correct action in that situation would have been to pay his part of the bill, then leave. Everything past that point was just pointless. If and only if she pays her part without complaint, then you can be friends. Otherwise,she is attempting to set up a one-way relation, and that isn't acceptable.	/r/MensRights	28/01/14 04:31 AM
10	Fourth wave feminists are simply 'Mean Girls' Pardon me while I appropriate some culture. Much like the Republicans and the Tea Party, the Dworkins and the Daly's have created a young and angry monster that actually believes their nonsense, and in the manner of Frankenstein's monster, it has turned on its creator. To put it bluntly, the violence they have supported has come home to roost.	/r/MensRights	22/01/14 04:53 PM
6	Weird. It's interesting, and worth studying. Given that the places where microfinance is deployed often have subsistence economies, I would expect more 'traditional' gender roles to exist, and in that context, the conclusions make sense. The implication of the paragraph is not entirely weighted toward either gender, but suggests that loans can be profitable at lower margins to women, but that venture capital is best spent on men.	/r/MensRights	18/01/14 09:35 PM
1	Are Men Obsolete? The feudal man s obsolete, and has been since WWII, if not the industrial revolution. There is no longer a need for a man to work himself into an early grave to fulfill a provider obligation, nor is there an justification for a man who defines himself in terms of the approval of others. The modern man is not obsolete. The modern man pursues his own interests and his own comforts, and, so established, can negotiate the world of relationships from a position of strength. Both of these men create v…	/r/MensRights	18/01/14 03:10 AM
2	"PHOENIX — Nearly 400 children have been removed from Arizona homes identified through thousands of child abuse and neglect reports that were ignored in recent years": Many fathers have stated their c The word 'father' does not appear in this article.	/r/MensRights	17/01/14 01:03 PM
2	Female teacher found guilty of six felony counts of statutory rape. She gets four months jail and doesn’t register as sex offender. Her reaction? Surprised she was punished at all. The only way to show that a procedure or rule is adenine is to follow it. The zeitgeist has little empathy for men at all, much lead those in inappropriate relationships. If you believe that the results for men in these situations should change, then causing women to be treated the same is a necessary first step. Besides, at least in The US all are supposed to be theoretically equal under the law.	/r/MensRights	17/01/14 11:27 AM
4	mostly false: "Women (are) paid 77 cents on the dollar for doing the same work as men." It's a relatively common trick. The same kind of obfuscation was used in 2010-2012 by the US Tea Party to pretend that federal workers are overpaid relative to the private sector.	/r/MensRights	16/01/14 04:27 PM
19	Australian feminists block research into mens physical and mental health. "No True Scotsman" is a fallacy that comes up a lot in The conflict between MHRAs and people who call themselves feminists. Essentially, you ate being called out for denying that something is feminist behavior when the people who do it call themselves feminists, and other people who call themselves feminists don't oppose them. Distilled to an aphorism, "If you didn't fight it, you have to own it."	/r/MensRights	14/01/14 10:09 PM
0	Please: Don't down-vote to avoid discussion. Rather feel free to contradict, argue. TheAntiFeminist.com closing down? Mainstream MRA actively support incarceration of men for normal male sexuality and ban those who defend normal male sexuality Mores change. Mos majorum is no longer the universal guiding social principle, and so the behaviors of the long-dead on another continent aren't really relevant to modern life in this respect.	/r/MensRights	11/01/14 06:42 AM
1	I'm frustrated because I can't make any leeway with transexuals. If someone called you a TERF, they are ascribing to you a specific flavor of feminist thought. If you don't want to be called a TERF, then you need to figure out why the people you are trying to approach see you as a feminist. The stereotypical TERF is a straight-ish woman, not a gay man, so the answer will lie somewhere in your behavior. Remember, when you are trying to gain acceptance from a group, it does not matter whether they are perceiving you correctly or not. All that matters is the con…	/r/MensRights	11/01/14 06:20 AM
1	Do women deserve real gentlemen anymore? The symptoms are identified more or less correctly, but I'd assert that the proposed cure is dead wrong. The behaviors associated with the terms gentleman and lady are both artifacts of a subsistence-level feudal social contract that has no real relevance in today's world. A woman doesn't need a protector and a man doesn't need someone to run his demense. I expect that more traditional-leaning articles like this one will continue to appear as more and more women try to hold onto the privileges o…	/r/MensRights	11/01/14 06:09 AM
5	Not sure if this is the right place, but my coworker sends me into a rage at least once a day An idea is good or bad based on its consequences. Schoolyard "codes" are worth exactly nil in a workplace context. In every case, your employer has hired you to do some job. In effectively all cases inter-colleague drama is not that job. So you don't solve your problems with drama. You solve your problems by using the management structure that exists for the purpose.	/r/MensRights	10/01/14 06:25 PM
16	I've been waiting two and a half years to see my son. And this morning I got this text. You have made a number of bad choices over an extended period of time. Those choices have consequences, and the fact that you are doing better now doesn't erase then. That said, if you are serious about getting involved, you will have to be serious. That means staying impeccably clean, and it means you need a job that will pay not only for you to live, but for you to hire a can good lawyer. She had shown her willingness to end an agreement because feelings, so you need to never make that kind of…	/r/MensRights	10/01/14 05:37 PM
11	Not sure if this is the right place, but my coworker sends me into a rage at least once a day You don't say anything. You bring it to your mutual management. You use the magic phrase "hostile work environment" and let the manager deal with it.	/r/MensRights	10/01/14 05:25 PM
0	Please: Don't down-vote to avoid discussion. Rather feel free to contradict, argue. TheAntiFeminist.com closing down? Mainstream MRA actively support incarceration of men for normal male sexuality and ban those who defend normal male sexuality I would contest the assertion that underage sex and underage porn are expressions of a normal sexuality. They can be a men's rights issue, but the issue is that, regardless of the ages of the people involved(ie which is the older), any financial or criminal consequences accrue to the male. This smells like coat-tailing to me, and there is no need for the MRM to tolerate it.	/r/MensRights	10/01/14 04:59 PM
-1	I'm frustrated because I can't make any leeway with transexuals. The first thing is to stop identifying yourself as a feminist. TERFs are a Very real problem, and spew an unbelievable amount of hate at MtFs. Also, MtFs are women, and that needs to color the way you approach mens' issues with them. FtMs can be safely dealt with as men, because that is what they are. TERFs are a problem for FtMs, but in a different way.	/r/MensRights	10/01/14 02:55 PM
1	Feminist claims MRM actively discriminates against trans-men, gay men, and black men. I have never seen a bigger load of horse shit in my life. It might be bette rto say she assumes that her approval equates with rectitude, but that invites similar head-scratching. This last point is aimed at an element of the feudal social contract, specifically the idea that male endeavor takes its value from the utility it provides to women. Essentially "It does nothing for me and is therefore wrong" It's not her gender, it's her plain lack of empathy for anything with a penis that means she has nothing useful to say about what is a "real" mens' move…	/r/MensRights	09/01/14 12:07 PM
4	Feminist claims MRM actively discriminates against trans-men, gay men, and black men. I have never seen a bigger load of horse shit in my life. I see what you are saying, but I'm not attempting to rebut the base observation that spawned the theory. The unfortunate reality is that the theory, much like the label 'feminist', is rarely if ever used in its "defined" sense. It's possible that my industry bias is showing, but the facts and circumstances have to rule the day. As it is actually used, intersectionality theory amounts to a victim scoreboard, and that isn't a valid way to construct a society.	/r/MensRights	08/01/14 05:59 PM
2	There's a new radical feminist anti-trans community on reddit. The fact that their sidebar explicitly lists TERF as a term that will get you banned gives the entire game away. Truly, this sort of nonsense makes me feel bad for the MtFs out there. They do not deserve to be hated for being who they are.	/r/MensRights	08/01/14 05:28 PM
61	Feminist claims MRM actively discriminates against trans-men, gay men, and black men. I have never seen a bigger load of horse shit in my life. A little point-by-point: I have NEVER seen Men’s Rights Activists campaign for the inclusion of trans* men in their spaces. Here we have "begging the question" The statement contains the assumption that trans men are somehow not men, and would thus need some special writ of inclusion. As far as I have seen, MHRAs do not make this distinction. "Womyn born womyn" is a construction that labels itself feminist. I have seen no equivalent in the MRM. I have NEVER seen Men’s Rights Activists campaign t…	/r/MensRights	08/01/14 01:41 AM
10	I think I've been raped… by my ex-girlfriend. I feel ridiculous even typing this, and haven't felt able to talk to anyone about it. But the truth is, the experience has really upset me. The sex you regret is a shame, certainly, but it's the sex that starts with you unconscious that is absolutely rape. The devein doesn't matter. After all, a woman can have an orgasm and it is still unquestionably rape	/r/MensRights	07/01/14 11:15 PM
3	Father Gets Jail Time For Over-Paying Support This is a story that gets reposted an awful lot. The actual problem is that there was a modification he was unaware of. The troubling thing is that this was somehow possible in The first place. As for the jail time, it's never a smart move to walk out on a judge. They get really picky about their prerogatives. In a courtroom, the sky is whatever color the judge says it is,	/r/MensRights	07/01/14 06:43 PM
3	5 years' probation for former Wood-Ridge H.S. softball coach who pleaded guilty to sexual activity with a student When the issue is someone in an authority role taking advantage of a person that lacks the full portfolio of adult rights, then child fits just fine. Since you decided to bring SRS into this, I find it telling that you are arguing against the position that being male doesn't exempt someone from the consequences of being the victim of a sexual assault. Given that the principle sin of SRS and other third-wavers is projection (Take a look at their positions on trans people and the things they accus…	/r/MensRights	06/01/14 06:03 PM
5	5 years' probation for former Wood-Ridge H.S. softball coach who pleaded guilty to sexual activity with a student That attitude is a big part of the problem. Flip the genders and no one would argue that it wasn't criminal, or at the very least wrong. A child is no less a child for having a penis.	/r/MensRights	06/01/14 02:04 PM
2	r/Mensrights, what do you make of this chart? I think a few things: First, as you can see, the nature of the chart is very likely to be misinterpreted. It looks, at first glance, like an earnings chart rather than a jobs chart. Second, it shows that women have 33%ish more part time jobs than men, but that may be sketchy. It depends on the definition of full-time year-round. Teachers, agricultural workers, and most of the construction industry could either be included ou excluded based on the definition. Finally, it shows more employed men t…	/r/MensRights	03/01/14 01:42 PM
8	Obese CPS (Child Protective Services) tells a father his concerns about his daughters weight and meds are inappropriate (X-Post from r/wtf) The AVFM post really needs an editor. I feel for the guy, but he really needs a lot less editorializing and a lot more actually telling the story.	/r/MensRights	03/01/14 01:20 PM
1	This year thousands of men will die from stubbornness... Couldn't tell you. My reflexive downvotes go to Daily Mail cruft and videos that should be articles..	/r/MensRights	02/01/14 06:04 PM
3	This year thousands of men will die from stubbornness... Maybe callous, but it does get right to the issue, which is a social construct that tells men not to go to the damn doctor. All-in-all, I like the billboard, though the bit at the bottom should be a bit bigger for legibility.	/r/MensRights	02/01/14 05:50 PM
3	Are we just as bad as the feminists? Perhaps it shouldn't be. I think the essential point is plain, though.	/r/MensRights	31/12/13 04:42 PM
5	What does /r/mensrights think of gender/sexual neologisms such as "genderqueer," "pansexual," etc? In general, I believe you will find apathy is the general reaction in this context. In the end, if equality can be achieved it will not really matter who is a man and who is not, and so there is no need to worry about the labels people hang on themselves. As far as I am aware, there is no MHRA equivalent to the "womyn born womyn" nonsense.	/r/MensRights	31/12/13 04:22 PM
20	Are we just as bad as the feminists? Your last sentence answers your own question.	/r/MensRights	31/12/13 02:08 PM
2	Many feminists seem to forget this. It's not a practice worth defending. The old realities of subsistence life and feudal government are gone, and every vestige of their social contract needs to go with them.	/r/MensRights	30/12/13 08:09 PM
2	Let's ban any positive thoughts on feminism. Except that anti-feminism isn't the point. For one thing, the label is too broad and too fractious to be a useful point of opposition. For another, men have real problems that are older than feminism. Brands of feminism exist that exacerbate these problems and others exist that create whole new problems on their own, and so solving men's problems often means butting heads with the Dworkins and the Dalys, but the conflict is an obstacle on the way to the goal, not the goal itself.	/r/MensRights	30/12/13 08:03 PM
1	Let's ban any positive thoughts on feminism. Blasted compact mode hiding the edit button.	/r/MensRights	30/12/13 07:23 PM
3	Let's ban any positive thoughts on feminism. Please read before replying, and do mind your grammar. I am fully aware that MHRAs do not hate women. I am accusing you of constructing your post in such a way as to invite less than thoughtful support that could be used to bolster that notion. That is, you are fishing for people to say stupid things that can be used against the sub in the future.	/r/MensRights	30/12/13 07:21 PM
7	Let's ban any positive thoughts on feminism. This whiffs of troll. The assumption underlying the post is that MHRAs really do just hate women and can be, with a little heavy-handed help, be convinced to say so. The first being false renders the second irrelevant. MHRAs ••ARE•• interested in real equality, and, to that end, focus on the issues and circumstances wherein men are disadvantaged. There is value in differentiating /r/MensRights from /r/feminism, and one way this sub does that is by not wielding the Banhammer like a toy. Idiocy ca…	/r/MensRights	30/12/13 07:03 PM
5	This attention whore who dates men to get free meals and blogs about it just got her own TV show It's a good find, but there's nothing wrong with attention whoring. On the other hand, it is a great example of the way in which society finds it acceptable when someone treats a man as a wallet.	/r/MensRights	30/12/13 02:53 PM
2	Who are you to say men deserve 'rights'? Looks to be about 60% troll and 40% fetish. Broadly put, intelligence sufficient to support sentience precludes the idea of a natural order.	/r/MensRights	27/12/13 07:18 PM
3	I've been debating (fighting?) with my female friend over the existence of sexism against men. We used to work at the same place until the owner fired all the guys. No. Kurt Vonnegut specified the standard spelling of jizzum in "The Big Space Fuck", first published in 1972.	/r/MensRights	27/12/13 07:09 PM
84	I've been debating (fighting?) with my female friend over the existence of sexism against men. We used to work at the same place until the owner fired all the guys. You might want to point out that every -ism is a cultural thing.	/r/MensRights	27/12/13 01:32 PM
1	The myth of the innocent "true feminist." My point exactly. Nail down the position and you deny your interlocutor the cover of a larger and less toxic group. I favor names for this purpose because both interlocutors and spectators are at least occasionally unaware of where the nonsense originates.	/r/MensRights	24/12/13 05:55 PM
2	The myth of the innocent "true feminist." NAFALT is a rhetorical trick, but this isn't the way to deal with it. Feminism is a broad and fractious label, so be more specific. There is wiggle room in "Feminists hate men" In some cases it's true, in some cases it's not. It's like surrounding a house and declaring that its occupants are all in the bathroom. A far better statement is "Dworkin and Daly adherents hate men." This type of statement is much more difficult to attempt to refute. A NAFALT is ineffective here, since you aren't saying…	/r/MensRights	24/12/13 02:19 PM
1	why do women oppress me all the time? it's sickeing Troll! Troll in the dungeon! Thought you ought to know faints	/r/MensRights	21/12/13 10:37 PM
9	Are men irrational for opting out of education, careers and families? It's fairly typical, at least in the response it got. The average male is, unless heavily indoctrinated, generally capable of evaluating his own self interest beyond the immediate moment, and out into the far future. This generally results in the pursuit of happiness. Some men wil seek power, others fortune, and still others fame, but all as a means to an end. This is the critical mistake of the third-wave type Dworkin, Daly, etc) Having gained entry to the halls of power and the machinery of bu…	/r/MensRights	21/12/13 05:58 AM
4	I suggest that the MRM movement throw it's full weight in support of Gay Marriage. Actually, gay marriages are the only way to get gay divorces, and those are likely to have an interesting effect on the jurisprudence surrounding divorce, since regardless of the gender of the pairing, the usual male/female biases can't be applied. On the one hand, it's opening an option to a class of people that did not previously have the option, and that is a good thing. you can think that a choice is a bad idea, and still in good conscience allow people to make that choice. After all, the mo…	/r/MensRights	20/12/13 03:25 AM
6	Lets talk to them. You'd need a very carefully crafted question to have this kind of argument. Part of the reason that some MRA/feminist conflicts are so visceral is that the two sides are often arguing from completely different dictionaries. Which side you favor will boil down to the lexicon you use. I like the structure you propose for the board, but I don't think a negotiated feature match is the right path. My pessimistic prediction: The feminist will insist on rules based on /r/feminism's rules,and the MRA wi…	/r/MensRights	20/12/13 02:35 AM
7	I feel like people don't know what boys go through in regard to bullying. There is a significant difference between "don't know" and "don't care".	/r/MensRights	19/12/13 04:22 PM
7	Women’s Student Association at Harvard enrolls men to help rethink gender issues This seems to be about taking at men and making use of other men to do so. Very definitely not the same as actually involving a male perspective.	/r/MensRights	19/12/13 04:17 PM
1	Females on "to catch a predator" ... are the episodes biased towards male predators? Le sigh. False notion, not bottom.	/r/MensRights	19/12/13 04:07 PM
1	Females on "to catch a predator" ... are the episodes biased towards male predators? Unfortunately, that fact that it's a false bottom isn't really relevant. People act on what they believe, and that was my point. The choice to ignore women entirely contributes to the frustration of every father eh had to ensure an hour of death-stares and prove his bona fides to a passing officer for the heinous crime of taking his daughter to the local public park.	/r/MensRights	19/12/13 04:06 PM
6	Females on "to catch a predator" ... are the episodes biased towards male predators? It's a valid concern, since it reinforces the notion that only men commit this crime. This notion has repercussions in the real world, especially for fathers (single or otherwise) out in the wild with their daughters and no adult woman.	/r/MensRights	19/12/13 05:16 AM
8	Trans* MRAs The language used here is interesting. It carries the tacit assumptions first that it would be impossible to elevate women to the level of men, and second, that this makes it right and proper to reduce men. This kind of assumption is counter-productive. Consider the debate over reading instruction. After five years of instruction, a boy taught to read using phonics will outperform a boy taught using the whole language method. A girl taught to read in this same fashion will also outperform her wh…	/r/MensRights	19/12/13 04:58 AM
4	Trans* MRAs This really isn't all that uncommon, unfortunately. The Dworkin/Daly-esque camps suffer from a large degree of cognitive dissonance, that they often try to resolve through projecting their own misdeeds onto others. As a quick exercise, Google "men born men". When I did this, the first results were primarily websites selling work shoes. As far as I'm aware, there are no splinter MRM groups that refer to their members as something other than "men" The Google results for "womyn born womyn", on the …	/r/MensRights	19/12/13 04:28 AM
33	Wait, this isn't right... It's a known phenomenon, and a good example of the need to always check your sources. Based on my own reading exclusively, it seems that SRS is populated by an admixture of outright trolls with the sincere disciples of Mary Daly and Andrea Dworkin. It can be difficult for a casual observer to tell them apart sometimes. All snideness aside, though, the main thing to remember is that passionate and a certain amount of angry are de rigeur here, and that while nearly and new idea is welcome, tone po…	/r/MensRights	18/12/13 04:27 AM
1	You've completely mischaracterized Occidental College's rape form and by doing so, you're hurting your own movement. Either you aren't reading, or you think I'm not. The positive statement that these accusations will be included in a particular anonymous repository is in no way equivalent to a statement that these accusations would not be recorded anywhere else, or that other storehouses of that information would be anonymous. Even if the whole system were somehow perfectly anonymous, it would still be a gross parody of due process and thus inexcusable in any micro-society that styles itself just.	/r/MensRights	17/12/13 10:19 PM
5	You've completely mischaracterized Occidental College's rape form and by doing so, you're hurting your own movement. There's a reason I said "a system of actual justice" and not"the justice system". Please pay attention. I'm going to be kind and assume you live under a rock, since there are plenty of examples where the name of the accused in these kinds of proceedings is publicized, sometimes at the national level. If you are in fact ignorant of these, scan the sub's headlines for Vassar to find some recent example. If you aren't ignorant of these cases then you are lying very poorly. The fact that you disagre…	/r/MensRights	17/12/13 07:00 PM
6	You've completely mischaracterized Occidental College's rape form and by doing so, you're hurting your own movement. You s seem to have confused actual equality with phantom advantage. First, an anonymous claim naming a female rapist would not be given weight, given that such claims are already regularly disregarded when accompanied by physical evidence. So such a system does not provide the advantage you suggest. Second, the right to face your accuser is fundamental to a system of actual justice. MHRAs and their ideological cousins are already familiar, often directly and intimately, with the abuses that inev…	/r/MensRights	17/12/13 06:49 PM
4	Brothers I guess we should talk (x-post R/Military) No one here is going to laugh at you. Allowing her to abuse you up to this point was a mistake, but it doesn't make anything she does your fault. Recognize this, and hold on to it, because many people will tell you otherwise and believe it. Given the way she responded in the encounter you describe, things have gotten very bad. you can't decide to salvage this relationship, only she can, by stopping the abuse and getting counseling. For yourself, you need to get physical separation and always, al…	/r/MensRights	17/12/13 03:13 AM
3	Mansplaining and its gender-reversed corollary In your anecdote, I see the Reciprocity Principle. If privilege-checking, rescued from its misusers, amounts to "Do unto others as you would have them do unto you", then I question the need for a new and obviously contentious label for an idea that is centuries old and nearly as non-controversial as could be reasonably imagined.	/r/MensRights	10/12/13 09:22 PM
1	Mansplaining and its gender-reversed corollary What we learn is this: Language is neither Science, nor is it Art. It is a medium. We learn that words and phrases are not formed in committee nor defined by a fiat that is proof against the intentions of the collegiate hoi polloi. They are instead defined and refined in the minds and conversations of the people who use the words. Value judgments cloud phrases meant originally to describe simple facts, and so we have the euphemism treadmill. While the idea of "taking it back" may sound attractiv…	/r/MensRights	10/12/13 09:19 PM
4	Someone explain to me the purpose of the litany of rules and guidelines on r/feminism. The problem with attackinng feminism as a whole is that it is fractious and not 100% toxic. It may be better to focus on the disciples of particular writers, and in doing so deprive them of the cover afforded by their more reasonable cousins. For example, no one can reasonably claim that Dworkinites can't be held responsible for holding Dworkin's views.	/r/MensRights	10/12/13 04:51 AM
23	Mansplaining and its gender-reversed corollary Disagree. The entire concept of checking privilege, regardless of its theoretical basis, exists and is used as a means of asserting an obligation of silence on the part of anyone unable to out-victim-class the speaker. The idea that any person could be unfit to participate in a political or social process to the fullest of their ability and inclination due to the circumstances of their birth is morally repugnant. "Be considerate", "Make spaces" "Lean back" "Think of others before you speak your …	/r/MensRights	10/12/13 04:45 AM
2	Seems like I'm doomed to be single until I abandon my ideals. The position is a consequence of the insistence on victim-hood. Bear in mind that everything that follows is from the TERF perspective, and decidedly not my own opinion. A man who becomes a woman is suspect because the person's formative experiences occur in the context of maleness, which is viewed as fundamentally empowering, thus putting the person forever in the oppressor class. Thus, a woman who is not born that way cannot possibly have anything valid to say because her experience as a woman…	/r/MensRights	07/12/13 04:57 AM
11	Came across this shared on Facebook. This is absolutely unacceptable. Likely. The whole point of Overly Attached Girlfriend is that she is sociopathic and has deep abandonment issues.	/r/MensRights	06/12/13 02:53 PM
1	'Sorry ladies,' says Tom Sykes. 'You'll never get a virile man like me to take the pill I imagine that there are more than a few who would downvote anything from the Daily Mail as a matter of course. It's not a credible paper, and it is not good to be seen as trusting it. Second, the article is, if I might borrow a term, reactionary. It criticizes a technology that would enhance male reproductive autonomy on the grounds that it violates the values of the traditional male gender role. Many people who identify as MHRAs or similar believe that the traditional male gender role is explo…	/r/MensRights	05/12/13 04:49 PM
1	GoldBlox commercial parodying the Beastie Boys goes viral. BB doesn't want their songs used for commerce, ironically GoldieBlox SUED THEM. Sigh. IP issue.	/r/MensRights	26/11/13 06:28 PM
1	GoldBlox commercial parodying the Beastie Boys goes viral. BB doesn't want their songs used for commerce, ironically GoldieBlox SUED THEM. It can seem that way, because the product targets girls. Incidentally, I own a set. This is really about creative control and fair use. Suing for a declarative judgment is a fairly standard move in a conflict like this, and doesn't really imply anything other than the desire to settle an OP issue before anyone spends any more money on the derivative work.	/r/MensRights	26/11/13 06:27 PM
5	Saw this article about fathers and sons being passed around of my news feed. What do you guys think of it? There are some good ideas there, but also some very bad ones. Putting utility for the mother at the top of the list is quite telling, as is the apparently unchallenged idea than a mother has any business judging a farther-son relationship in the first place. The existance of the list presumes an incompetent male audience, and that is definitely bad modeling for a young boy.	/r/MensRights	22/11/13 04:33 PM
4	Why men's rights and feminism are essentially the same thing in my opinion. The problem you are having is essentially one of basic vocabulary. You have the idea that feminism is "the radical notion that a woman is a person" or something similar, essentially grounded in the idea of equality. There may have been a shining moment in which that was true. Your interlocutors (i.e. The rest of the sub) define the term, not in terms of assertions and theory, but in terms of the actions of people with means and influence who self-identify using the label. This leads to a very di…	/r/MensRights	19/11/13 10:41 PM
2	Honestly I'm all for ACA... The problem is that health and cars aren't really comparable, on account of health being a bad fit for the insurance model. Everyone gets sick and everyone gets hurt eventually. you can make a case for it based on the idea that people get different amounts of sick, and that allows for a little risk spreading, and that difference is what has made it work so far (as far as it does work)This is not perfect, and in a lot of ways it is not good, but it is a move in a right direction.	/r/MensRights	16/11/13 07:47 PM
3	My honest opinion on the "sexism" of telling women to cover up This strikes at a different issue than equality. To phrase your question differently, "Is it acceptable for a given individual to enforce a moral or aesthetic standard on another?" I suggest that the answer is no. A society, collectively, will have a set of mores. Someone acting within those mores is in the right when challenged by someone with a different/stricter/less degenerate/whatever set of personal mores. For example, in some middle-eastern countries, there is a state religion, and a publ…	/r/MensRights	16/11/13 04:20 AM
2	The first 30 seconds of this movie trailer is disgusting. Not sure how they get away with mixing misandry AND misogyny I don't think it's either. Kick-Ass personally has an outdated social construction in his head (Don't ever hit a girl, for any reason) and is embarking on a venture in which the construction is likely to get him and those around him hurt and/or killed. Hit Girl uses this construction to mock him, not because he is a man, but because he has this construction in his head. The goal here is for him to get over it and take her seriously as an opponent. Once he does this, the same words lose their ins…	/r/MensRights	13/11/13 07:29 PM
0	"CUS referendum for sexual assault education and counseling programs fails": Feminist harpies screech when students say "no thanks" to $52 per student for feminist indoctrination. When you argue politics, you are almost never arguing to change the mind of your interlocutor. You are playing the Locke / Demosthenes game to change the collective mind of the people who read your conversation. My argument against the use of the term feminazi has nothing at all to do with whether or not it is apt. My argument is that it is ineffective at best and counterproductive at worst. First, any mention of Nazism, outside of its historical context, invites accusations of hyperbole . Worse…	/r/MensRights	08/11/13 04:19 PM
4	"CUS referendum for sexual assault education and counseling programs fails": Feminist harpies screech when students say "no thanks" to $52 per student for feminist indoctrination. My sense of humor waits on a wild joke to appear. As for relaxing, I practically abide, so fear not for my chill.	/r/MensRights	07/11/13 04:41 PM
0	"CUS referendum for sexual assault education and counseling programs fails": Feminist harpies screech when students say "no thanks" to $52 per student for feminist indoctrination. I know feminazi seems to be an attractive term when you're annoyed, but you simultaneously Godwin yourself and invoke the specter of Rush Limbaugh, and neither of those is good for discourse. Eloquence and logic can move minds, but if you sound like a douche when you're right, people who disagree can get away with just calling you a douche	/r/MensRights	07/11/13 04:12 PM
1	"Why don't we teach men not to rape?" My typical high school newspaper. Because rape is a deviant behavior, and trying to expand its definition to include normal behaviors cheapens the term and devalues the experiences of the men and women who have been victims of this inexcusable crime. You don't t teach men not to rape for the same reason you don't teach women not to kill their babies or teach Jews not to cheat people; teach X not to Y is just another way to frame a hateful stereotype, and it has no place in a civilized discourse.	/r/MensRights	06/11/13 04:00 AM
9	"Girls can't be stalkers. Only guys can be stalkers". Proceeds to stalk xpost/r/OkCupid For many mobile browsers, there is a limit to the degree to which a particular image can be zoomed. Consider breaking this up into an album so it can be read by a larger audience.	/r/MensRights	01/11/13 03:19 PM
4	Why government data shows women are more likely to commit intimate partner violence [Discussion welcome!] The methods you describe introduce biasing factors, chief among them being the idea of interviewing a couple instead of two individuals. There will be consequences for things said about an intimate partner's violence for unpleasant things said in the interview. I will review the PDF later, when I have access to a more forgiving viewer.	/r/MensRights	30/10/13 01:52 AM
3	Against Vigilanteism in our Movement It's easy to get that impression. The reason you get that impression is that the courtroom is tilted against the accused in a modern rape trial, and so the outcome split of proven/unproven/demonstrably false is skewed relative to other crimes. There have been plenty of stories posted about men accused and convicted of this crime without a shred of physical evidence so I won't belabor the point; but the upshot is that a defendant's only real hope of an acquittal is often to prove that the accusat…	/r/MensRights	29/10/13 05:41 PM
5	Calling out the moderators for lack of action on "this is not a men's rights issue" concern trolling. They certainly seem to treat it that way, for increasingly bizzarre values of 'behaving badly'	/r/MensRights	26/10/13 04:37 PM
12	Sexism in a High School Given the current climate, the very last thing any male teacher wants is to have a female student he might be required to be alone with for any detectable length of time. The policy forbidding female assistants to male teachers is clearly born of the same Crucible-esque mindset that has forced male teachers to cover their asses in this fashion, but I doubt any male teacher would say a word against it.	/r/MensRights	24/10/13 03:03 AM
2	/u/Rho_Cassiopeiae with a great comment about the statement "Teach men not to rape" The most powerful argument against this kind of thing seems to be to turn the concept of 'rape culture' against its creators. Statements like these carry an underlying assumption that all men are naturally inclined to be rapists, and what could be more normalizing than to assert that a thing is a biological imperative? In reality, rape is a deviant behavior, regardless of the sex/gender/whatever of the perpetrator and victim, and should always be treated as such.	/r/MensRights	23/10/13 06:40 PM
9	Wife has now began ignoring my calls to talk to my son... So much THIS. You know, and she knows, that once judges and lawyers get involved, things will get worse for you. But this is a reason to get into the judicial system quickly. As you have seen already, she is going to steadily make things worse and worse, establishing a very unfavorable baseline for when the courts get involved. Once a judge makes an order, though, there are some limits on what she can do to flaunt it. You can further limit the damage by having an overwhelming volume of relevant …	/r/MensRights	08/10/13 01:22 AM
3	Why I'm considering leaving this subreddit The problem is one of statistics. Since it's trivial to do so, one can assume that the number of reports and removals for things like 'hate speech' are being tracked and someday, someone writing an academic paper or doing a policy study will get at those statistics. When, not if, but when this happens, a great discrepancy in the number of 'anti-male' vs 'anti-female' hate groups and pages will not read as 'MRAs are much more mature about censorship than feminists'. It will read as 'Men hate wome…	/r/MensRights	03/10/13 04:13 AM
2	NCFM Advisor Michael Conzachi, “Let’s vilify first; facts don’t matter.” The true story of LTC Darin Haas. I really don't like articles like this one. Preaching to the choir achieves nothing, and if I have to wade through 2 pages of somewhat tiring polemic to begin to get to the actual facts of the case, then the article is going to repulse anyone who isn't already disposed toward believing it. Writers, if you want to show that someone is a liar, then show the truth, show the lie, and compare. Six paragraphs of "She lied and I'm going to tell you how in just a bit here, and by the way she lied, and h…	/r/MensRights	02/10/13 02:01 AM
10	Where the hell did the idea that raping makes you manly come from? The idea is convenient for those who want to demonize men in general, and so it is perpetuated by those who hold that ideology. It is not an actual norm for Western men.( I have no authoritative information about norms for cultures other than my own.)	/r/MensRights	29/09/13 06:41 PM
2	Anyone for a discussion series with /r/feminism? /r/mensrights is not a private subreddit, and its mods do not make a practice of banning people and deleting threads that happen to disagree with the local consensus opinions. On the other hand, the stated policies of /r/feminism take a number of their positions as axioms and its mods are not at all hesitant about banning and erasing dissent. Given these different rulesets, the idea of a "heavily moderated" discussion is frankly unworkable. After all, whose rules do you use? That argument would …	/r/MensRights	27/09/13 06:35 PM
2	Could I get a men's rights perspective/discussion on this article? This is not anything new. The assumptions underlying the article are obvious even to the writer, who is at pains to deny that those assumptions are real. In reality, you don't have a "don't rape people" conversation for the same reason that you don't have an entire conversation about not murdering people or not setting things on fire. It's all subsumed into the raising of a moral child. It doesn't get a conversation, it gets a mention that is sufficient to the cause. As for other conversations, …	/r/MensRights	26/09/13 01:56 PM
2	There were a couple of posts about reporting Facebook groups, thought I'd give it a try and got some success! More importantly, there needs to be valid statistics about the number of anti-male hate groups/pages. Otherwise, future examination of the reports of groups blocked or removed will invite incorrect conclusions. Censorship is a bad thing, but there is a "who is hated more" game in the offing here and men will lose if they do not play.	/r/MensRights	26/09/13 12:30 PM
2	Misandry in Psychology: No Country for Non-Feminist Men The beautiful thing about science is that the aberrant often fail on the grounds of insufficient rigor. The articles I've seen on the study often address the segmentation of the male population used (The study assumes that the norms of upper and middle class white males are pervasive throughout the male population as a whole), but never seem to get around to explaining how these 'norms' were selected. Given that the study compares society to the selected norms rather than attempts to extract the…	/r/MensRights	26/09/13 10:26 AM
35	Let's see what happens... (x-post from imgur) There are girls who quite vocally declare that it constitutes oppression or assault, so the existence of a girl who would call it consent is not a great stretch.	/r/MensRights	24/09/13 02:53 AM
33	TIL men never need to pack a back. They also don't have to be cautious because they're never the victims of violence. Sinfest / Tatsuya Ishida went very seriously anti-male a few months ago. That particular strip is relatively tame relative to the new paradigm. I would suggest not investigating further, or at the very least turning AdBlock on before doing so.	/r/MensRights	23/09/13 05:49 PM
1	X-POST: I [23M] have been donating sperm for the past 3 years and my girlfriend [22F] of 4 months is not happy about it. It's an MR issue because it's a reproductive rights issue. The thread wonders how long a relationship has to go on before the girl is right in being upset. This assumes that at some point, she automatically acquires exclusive rights to his gametes.	/r/MensRights	20/09/13 06:13 PM
0	False Sex Abuse Charges Claim Lives : Personal Liberty™ This is a bad article, and doesn't reflect well on its audience. It is light on specifics and heavy on histrionics. I'm not saying the article is wrong, in large part because the first few hundred words don't manage to say anything substantial at all. If you want to expose a liar, you don't do it by calling that person a liar over and over. You do it by staying the lie, refuting it, and only afterward ascribe motive. You especially don't use the term conspiracy in such an analysis before refutin…	/r/MensRights	20/09/13 05:12 PM
6	Hi MensRights, lojg time lurker, my firned just went full feminazi, i would apreciate help. You're 15. You have your own life to worry about. If her boyfriend, your friend, can't get her help, then you're not going to do any better. You should avoid her when you can only speak to her when you must, and never, under any circumstances, do anything for her. That is drama you don't need. Also, the word feminazi is a poor choice. Anything Nazi related invites dismissal as flippant, and in any case, the term was coined by Rush Limbaugh in an attempt to shame people who are pro-choice on the …	/r/MensRights	20/09/13 01:25 PM
18	This post by a female friend of mine made me very uneasy Holders of memes like the transactional relationship paradigm that underlies the image should be encouraged to express themselves in as public a fashion as possible. In this way, more rational people can avoid or exit painful, unfulfilling relationships with these people with a minimum of effort. Also, if you are in a relationship with someone who deliberately undervalues you, leave. Just sayin'.	/r/MensRights	18/09/13 01:58 PM
15	A "wonderful" kills her children rather than turn them over to their father. In a case like this, there is no reason why the transfer of children should not occur directly after the ruling. This becomes a men's rights issue when you consider that a deputy would be along to retrieve the children directly if the change of custody had been male -> female.	/r/MensRights	16/09/13 10:42 PM
12	Office culture This is just asking for trouble. HR is your vector. The phrase you need is "hostile work environment"	/r/MensRights	16/09/13 10:40 PM
1	Meet Tom Martin, Britain's most hated male rights activist... Does a banker or an engineer stop being those things after work? People are often defined socially by their profession. He has chosen a loaded word for it, though.	/r/MensRights	15/09/13 03:26 AM
3	Meet Tom Martin, Britain's most hated male rights activist... The grouping isn't the root of the perception. It's the vocabulary. It seems to me that his central thesis is the idea that the current default relationship model, in which the pursuing man provides goods and services to the desired woman in exchange for the possibility of sex, is inherently transactional and morally equivalent to prostitution. In this light, his statements about 'prostitutes and their customers' makes much more sense. It's a lot like the MGTOW thesis, which rejects the model on…	/r/MensRights	15/09/13 03:14 AM
3	Child Support arears now that I'm back w the baby momma? Run everything you can through the court system. The fact that there is a child support order in the first place tells me that this relationship has turned sour before. That arrearage is a huge club that can be used against you if it goes sour again. While you live together and things are working out, then paying nearly everything to her via the court won't cause either of you any hardship.	/r/MensRights	13/09/13 01:32 PM
5	I just read this over at r/Parenting about a 9 year old who was punched in the testicles and the girl has not been punished yet. The comments seem pretty balanced, but some made my blood boil. The problematic comments are those that try to deny that this was a sexual assault.	/r/MensRights	12/09/13 05:32 PM
0	Vegetarian mother stopped carnivore dad seeing son for over a year, and had been refusing to engage in the court process You are abstracting the things I've written. There is nothing overtly harmful about a good vegetarian diet, bit good vegetarian diets are not the issue here. They exist, and people do just fine on them. This mother, though, seems likely to provide a bad vegetarian diet, and that is much worse than a bad omnivore diet. Obesity can be cured, diabetes can be treated. Undeveloped bones and brains, though, are irreversible and unconscionable.	/r/MensRights	12/09/13 01:11 PM
6	Vegetarian mother stopped carnivore dad seeing son for over a year, and had been refusing to engage in the court process The paper is quite clear that it is possible for a vegetarian diet to not be harmful, but the paper also notes that this requires care, attention to detail, and careful monitoring. The behavior of the mother in this particular case does not persuade me that she exhibits those characteristics, and that is the primary source of my objection. Putting a child's mind at risk for political or religious reasons is frankly inexcusable. TL;DR: The fact that there is a right way to do a dangerous thing do…	/r/MensRights	12/09/13 11:28 AM
10	Vegetarian mother stopped carnivore dad seeing son for over a year, and had been refusing to engage in the court process This is a child, though, and one whose mother has shown that she is not thoughtful in her decisions. Allowing someone like her to force a child to assume a vegetarian diet is a bad idea	/r/MensRights	12/09/13 10:20 AM
2	Men Must Help: you need to know about an important shift in the idea of "paternity" coming your way. That has nothing to do with the repugnance of the article or the offensiveness of your ham-fisted attempt to justify it. Since you no doubt sincerely intended to improve lives by suggesting your text, I will suggest Aristotle's Rhetoric in return. True, his ideas on physics were somewhat naive, but he did know how to make an argument. We're done here.	/r/MensRights	06/09/13 08:24 PM
11	Feminist claims that reverse racism doesn't exist, because whites cant be harmed by blacks, and they are 100 times more powerful. I believe that trying to change the definition of a word (FTFA: The dictionary is wrong, get over it) for political reasons is just about as Orwellian as you can get. The author is crazy but dangerous.	/r/MensRights	06/09/13 06:51 PM
4	Men Must Help: you need to know about an important shift in the idea of "paternity" coming your way. Your point was quite clear. Feminist authors have begun to recognize that the denigration of fatherhood has reached the point where it interferes with the woman's quest to have it all. The tone is one of chagrin and permission, only sanctioning fatherhood within the context of its direct benefit to women. This is repugnant and if you don't understand why, then you need to examine the history of your own movement. Your attempt to justify your own condescending writ by claiming that I must not hav…	/r/MensRights	06/09/13 05:33 PM
5	Men Must Help: you need to know about an important shift in the idea of "paternity" coming your way. You misunderstand the nature of the offense. There are a number of extraordinarily repugnant ideas present here. "Men must help" is inherently offensive in that it asserts that women, in general, are owed some kind of support by men. Your clarification is no better, as it implicitly denies a man's right to have a life independent of a woman. Your reference to the book as essential is also offensive, in that you assume first that men have an obligation to enter into dialogue with the feminist mov…	/r/MensRights	06/09/13 04:48 PM
2	Custody Help-Decision Time First, consult your lawyer. Second, pay attention to your lawyer. All we can tell you is that the system will be biased against you, and that you will need a mountain of proof to overcome that bias. If you intend to fight, you will have to fight without compunction or mercy. If you try to be civil and respectful, sparing anyone's feelings, you are putting yourself at a disadvantage, and your story indicates pretty clearly that that disadvantage will be exploited. Record and document everything, …	/r/MensRights	05/09/13 10:49 PM
1	The Simpsons: What happens if Feminists rule the Schools I'd be in favor of more math earlier for everyone, along with logic and Euclidian geometry. This are things that pose problems which have answers, unyielding truths that can't be shouted at or shamed out of existence. The experience would do much good for members of both sexes.	/r/MensRights	30/08/13 02:38 PM
-2	IRS is ignoring my signed court order Actually, the state does not matter. The procedure that an IRS employee follows when talking to someone on the phone is very specific in its treatment of call recording. The assistor will terminate the call every time. If the call is a toll-free call, though, the IRS is recording it already, for later use in doing evaluations.	/r/MensRights	06/06/13 09:32 PM